From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  1 00:43:09 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:43:09 -0400
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810312031r6fcf7e66l46faffe4d7dcd8c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com>
	<18699.52281.724587.79617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80810312031r6fcf7e66l46faffe4d7dcd8c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18699.56925.478626.373204@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:31:36 -0500, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said:

> Its SUPPOSED to be 7 Watts at 367 feet from West of Springfield.

It's on a communications tower at the southern end of the ridge west
of Holyoke.  They couldn't have picked a better channel: right in the
gap between WVPS (full C from Mt. Mansfield) and WEBE (B from
Westport); WGNA in Albany precludes any local first-adjacents, and
WGNA and WAAF preclude any local second-adjacents.

(In case anybody's wondering, the section 73.207 spacing for A into C
co-channel is 226 km; for A into B it's 178 km.  C2s and C3s get less
protection than Bs do.)

-GAWollman


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov  1 08:00:34 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:00:34 -0400
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<18699.48446.750022.456760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6FC6BC1E61BD45ABA0E9E0615A07928C@SatU205S5044>

Armstrong owns both 970 and 1120. My impression (which could be wrong)
is that 970 is not 100% // 1120. But then, my impression is that 1390
in Plymouth, which Armstrong does not own but does LMA, is also
something (slightly) less than 100% //1120.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes


> <<On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:46:24 -0400, I wrote:
>
>> o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk
>
> Just so people don't think this was a Hallowe'en trick, yes, I do
> actually know that WBNW the 1120 in Concord now.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Nov  1 12:07:22 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:07:22 -0400
Subject: Boston Pirate
In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLHEMiIA
References: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLHEMiIA
Message-ID: <741BC0B8310A4B37B9E8A2205F5D5628@YOURA48F92F9EB>

I was at the Garden in Boston yesterday to make a delivery and was waiting
to back into a dock door, and was flipping the dial, and found Haitian(?) on
102.9.

Pirate? I did not hear a legal ID...

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 12:43:26 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:43:26 -0500
Subject: cable and DT sub-channels
Message-ID: <4fc429770811010943w1bc84944v4d41564bbf3e79fc@mail.gmail.com>

Here is one for Scott

FOX and MLB have come up with a plan that next season every FOX
affiliate can carry every game offered by the network in their
exclusive Saturday window.

For example the Red Sox could be on 25.1, Yankees on 25.2, Cubs on 25.3 etc.

Question I have is do cable companies have to carry the sub-channels?
I know Comcast carries all the WGBH channels but is that mandatory or
voluntary.

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 17:30:55 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:30:55 -0400
Subject: Boston Pirate
In-Reply-To: <741BC0B8310A4B37B9E8A2205F5D5628@YOURA48F92F9EB>
Message-ID: <89FD4719234145DCA487699511EF800C@DHPP0DB1>

> I was at the Garden in Boston yesterday to make a delivery and was waiting
> to back into a dock door, and was flipping the dial, and found Haitian(?)
> on
> 102.9.

Choice 102.9 has been around for years. They've been fined several times,
but it never does any good, just like with almost all the others.

http://www.choice1029.com/

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From kenwvt@gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 17:16:27 2008
From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:16:27 -0700
Subject: cable and DT sub-channels
Message-ID: <0016362835ea15049a045aa73abd@google.com>

I believe the subchannels are part of the must carry rule. Notice how  
Comcast also carries 7.2 (weather - soon to be sports subchannel).

-Ken

On Nov 1, 2008 12:43pm, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Here is one for Scott
>
>
>
> FOX and MLB have come up with a plan that next season every FOX
>
> affiliate can carry every game offered by the network in their
>
> exclusive Saturday window.
>
>
>
> For example the Red Sox could be on 25.1, Yankees on 25.2, Cubs on 25.3  
etc.
>
>
>
> Question I have is do cable companies have to carry the sub-channels?
>
> I know Comcast carries all the WGBH channels but is that mandatory or
>
> voluntary.
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  1 19:01:19 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:01:19 -0400
Subject: cable and DT sub-channels
In-Reply-To: <0016362835ea15049a045aa73abd@google.com>
References: <0016362835ea15049a045aa73abd@google.com>
Message-ID: <18700.57279.688899.966742@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:16:27 -0700, kenwvt@gmail.com said:

> I believe the subchannels are part of the must carry rule. Notice how  
> Comcast also carries 7.2 (weather - soon to be sports subchannel).

Channel 7 is retrans consent, not must-carry, so whatever carriage
they have on Comcast is the result of private negotiation.  (The same
is generally true of other network affiliates.  The networks have used
this with their O&Os to force other network-owned services into the
basic tier of cable systems in those markets.)

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  1 19:11:05 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:11:05 -0400
Subject: More travel notes
Message-ID: <18700.57865.273028.114802@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

I spent more time driving around the central part of the state today
(starting with lunch at the Boulevard in Worcester).  Not much to note
except:

o Add WICN and WESO to the list of legal-ID scofflaws.
o WAMH's schedule claims that the station is on the air Saturday
afternoons, but I heard no sign of them driving past the transmitter
site in Pelham.
o WSCB, reported yesterday with an open carrier, is back in operation.

That leaves me with nine IDs to capture for posterity in the Pioneer
Valley.  (I'm probably not going to make my goal of doing everything
in Massachusetts this year, particularly as the days continue to grow
shorter.)

-GAWollman


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 19:31:37 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:31:37 -0500
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
In-Reply-To: <6FC6BC1E61BD45ABA0E9E0615A07928C@SatU205S5044>
References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<18699.48446.750022.456760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6FC6BC1E61BD45ABA0E9E0615A07928C@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811011631s65437fbenb76f37b000f52e0b@mail.gmail.com>

WESO 970 runs itself as "The Spirit 970" www.thespirit970.com which has a
program schedule

Paul Walker
www.onairdj.com


On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:

> Armstrong owns both 970 and 1120. My impression (which could be wrong)
> is that 970 is not 100% // 1120. But then, my impression is that 1390
> in Plymouth, which Armstrong does not own but does LMA, is also
> something (slightly) less than 100% //1120.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" <
> wollman@bimajority.org>
> To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:21 PM
> Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
>
>
>
>  <<On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:46:24 -0400, I wrote:
>>
>>  o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk
>>>
>>
>> Just so people don't think this was a Hallowe'en trick, yes, I do
>> actually know that WBNW the 1120 in Concord now.
>>
>> -GAWollman
>>
>>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Sat Nov  1 22:55:22 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:55:22 -0400
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811011631s65437fbenb76f37b000f52e0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<18699.48446.750022.456760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<6FC6BC1E61BD45ABA0E9E0615A07928C@SatU205S5044>
	<8bce0fe80811011631s65437fbenb76f37b000f52e0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490D169A.3080007@fybush.com>

Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> WESO 970 runs itself as "The Spirit 970" www.thespirit970.com which has a
> program schedule
> 
> Paul Walker
> www.onairdj.com

Yes, that's what the website says. What's actually on the air is 
evidently a different matter.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 00:51:38 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:51:38 -0400
Subject: cable and DT sub-channels
References: <0016362835ea15049a045aa73abd@google.com>
	<18700.57279.688899.966742@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <68C4D5E4E3214E948EA99F089EA82D72@MainXPPro>



> Channel 7 is retrans consent, not must-carry, so whatever carriage
> they have on Comcast is the result of private negotiation.  


Whatever happenned to the "must carry" rule?


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 00:28:09 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:28:09 -0500
Subject: CKOI Montreal strikes again
Message-ID: <4fc429770811012128o20feaafak113c500ba45e81ce@mail.gmail.com>

Politics aside you have to like the stunt CKOI Montreal pulled on
Saturday getting Sarah Palin on the phone thinking she was talking to
the President of France.

It is avalable on You Tube just search Palin CKOI

She fell for it hook, line and sinker but later said she was amused by
the stunt.

I know a Montreal DJ did the same to The Queen of England a decade ago
and it was hysterical.

Well done CKOI

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Nov  2 08:50:46 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:50:46 -0500
Subject: cable and DT sub-channels
In-Reply-To: <68C4D5E4E3214E948EA99F089EA82D72@MainXPPro>
References: <0016362835ea15049a045aa73abd@google.com>
	<18700.57279.688899.966742@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<68C4D5E4E3214E948EA99F089EA82D72@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <18701.45110.367257.117679@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:51:38 -0400, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

>> Channel 7 is retrans consent, not must-carry, so whatever carriage
>> they have on Comcast is the result of private negotiation.  

> Whatever happenned to the "must carry" rule?

Still in effect.

-GAWollman


From paul@derrynh.net  Sun Nov  2 12:24:11 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:24:11 -0500
Subject: CKOI Montreal strikes again
In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGEPSIA
References: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGEPSIA
Message-ID: <3EC4FF51EA414ECCA8E6165ECF238F4E@YOURA48F92F9EB>

Every once in a while, I can pick them up over WTKK as far south as
Hopkinton NH...

-Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin Vahey
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:28 AM
To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest
Subject: CKOI Montreal strikes again

Politics aside you have to like the stunt CKOI Montreal pulled on
Saturday getting Sarah Palin on the phone thinking she was talking to
the President of France.

It is avalable on You Tube just search Palin CKOI

She fell for it hook, line and sinker but later said she was amused by
the stunt.

I know a Montreal DJ did the same to The Queen of England a decade ago
and it was hysterical.

Well done CKOI


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sun Nov  2 15:58:05 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:05 EST
Subject: High powered pirate on 101.3
Message-ID: <c25.4b927f1d.363f6e5d@aol.com>

High powered pirate on 101.3. The station plays Haitian, Raggae, and  hip-hop.
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From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 11:12:06 2008
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:12:06 -0500
Subject: CKOI Montreal strikes again
Message-ID: <002401c93dce$f41a2040$dc4e60c0$@net>

CKOI's Marc-Antoine Audette tells ABC news how he's been able to punk Sarah
Palin, Donald Trump, Tiger Woods and others...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=6168777


From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 11:18:14 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:18:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Don't forget, WGBY/57 (analog goes silent Wednesday at 11:59 PM).
Message-ID: <544193.91167.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just a reminder, WGBY/57 Springfield, MA (analog) will be going silent at 11:59 PM on Wednesday, November 5th (according to the WGBY website).  If you're in the Greater Springfield area, you should have a tape machine ready, capable of recording on-the-air (not cable).  Wish I were there. I WAS in Amherst last night and had a chance to use the Color Watchman to see one last look at Channel 57.  Even on partial power, Channel 57 still seems to have the best signal in Amherst compared to 40 (WGGB).  Surprisingly, Channel 19 (WCDC) has a better signal than 22 (WWLP).  No sign of WSHM/67 at all.  Good bye Channel 57.

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"

radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


      

From peterwmurray@gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 12:23:27 2008
From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:23:27 -0500
Subject: High powered pirate on 101.3
In-Reply-To: <c25.4b927f1d.363f6e5d@aol.com>
References: <c25.4b927f1d.363f6e5d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <df73a3fc0811030923s162e0f39pc6c31c9798424f30@mail.gmail.com>

That's interesting, but where?

-Peter


On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:58 PM,  <TVNETDUDE@aol.com> wrote:
> High powered pirate on 101.3. The station plays Haitian, Raggae, and  hip-hop.

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Mon Nov  3 15:12:29 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:12:29 EST
Subject: Big City 101.3
Message-ID: <cd4.3d29273d.3640b52d@aol.com>

They have a new website with a request line. They have a website similar to  
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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Nov  4 02:21:04 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:21:04 -0500
Subject: exhibit of Rush photographs 
In-Reply-To: <4905BB67.4010306@fybush.com>
References: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<8bce0fe80810262049h2493c7b9weedb90cd681c53bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905BB67.4010306@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <20081104072110.8E541214CDE@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

For Rush fans who live near Boston, and especially those near the 
North Shore, a friend of mine named John Kane is a photographer, and 
he is putting on a show of his work this Saturday night.  The event 
is called "Workin' Them Angels: Rush through the Camera Eye". It's a 
collection of his live Rush concert photos.  The event will take 
place at the Front Street Coffee House in Salem, MA, at 
7pm,  November 8th. Among the guest speakers will be this lady I know 
named Donna Halper. 8-)  John is also a graphic artist and he has 
designed a special limited edition poster as well.  To find out more 
or to RSVP for the event, you can email <rushexhibit@gmail.com>.


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 03:26:15 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:26:15 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
Message-ID: <B38B22E9878B407AA214132986FA3A38@MainXPPro>

Someone forwarded this to me.  I know some of the people on this list who are "Progresive Radio" fans love Keith Olberman.

Here's a SNL spoof on him
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:25 AM
  Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.



  In true SNL fashion.

  Whaddya think?  A good impression of his style or nor?

  from radio info:

  http://www.hulu.com/watch/42024/saturday-night-live-countdown-with-keith-olbermann

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:51:30 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:51:30 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
Message-ID: <20081104205130.F022DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_11_04_Gerry_Callahan_and_John_Dennis_joke_that_election_postponed/srvc=home&position=recent

The election is tomorrow if you're a Democrat, joked John & Gerry this morning. Spokesman for Mass Secy of the Commonwealth Bill Galvin not amused. "One listener said his father-in-law believed the elections were postponed, and called him because he was so upset."
Galvin's spokesman said there's a law against interfering in elections.

(I would have hoped that the father-in-law might have gone to another source, such as TV or another radio station, to confirm whether or not this was real! Say...is that a volcano in the Blue Hills erupting...?)

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 16:26:32 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:26:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <20081104205130.F022DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <139679.48339.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Tue, 11/4/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> (I would have hoped that the father-in-law might have gone
> to another source, such as TV or another radio station, to
> confirm whether or not this was real! Say...is that a
> volcano in the Blue Hills erupting...?)

It's really sad that someone is that, dare I say, ignorant to believe two radio talk-show hosts.

That being said, it's stupid for anyone to even consider saying something like this in this environment. I wonder if you're opening yourself up for litigation, even if it's frivolous. 


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Nov  4 16:39:56 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <139679.48339.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F4A44D599A94FCBB34F7BD457CF4CA9@SatU205S5044>

By rights, the Mass Attorney General should haul Entercom into court
under the statute regarding interfering with elections. Entercom would
love it, of course, because it would be GREAT free publicity, and all
of the Entercom Boston stations would milk it for all it's
worth--which would be a lot. There would be added publicity on Channel
2's Beat the Press and maybe Jon Keller would rise up in righteous
indignation on WBZ--taking care, of course, not to mention any
competitive call letters. In the end, there probably would be no
conviction and everybody except the duped voters and the people and
ballot questions they would have voted for would go away happy.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Smyth" <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>;
<raccoonradio@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed"
joke


> On Tue, 11/4/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
>> (I would have hoped that the father-in-law might have gone
>> to another source, such as TV or another radio station, to
>> confirm whether or not this was real! Say...is that a
>> volcano in the Blue Hills erupting...?)
>
> It's really sad that someone is that, dare I say, ignorant to
> believe two radio talk-show hosts.
>
> That being said, it's stupid for anyone to even consider saying
> something like this in this environment. I wonder if you're opening
> yourself up for litigation, even if it's frivolous.
>
>
>


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Nov  4 18:55:44 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:55:44 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <4F4A44D599A94FCBB34F7BD457CF4CA9@SatU205S5044>
References: <139679.48339.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4F4A44D599A94FCBB34F7BD457CF4CA9@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <E53CE91CAAF849998BEEF13D50E950A0@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: <ssmyth@psualum.com>; <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; 
"Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke


> By rights, the Mass Attorney General should haul Entercom into court
> under the statute regarding interfering with elections.

Dennis & Callahan are idiotic.  The joke is not funny.  But the First 
Amendment trumps any silly Mass statute.  The Secretary of State has fallen 
to the level of idiotic talk show hosts with his comments.


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:52:24 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:52:24 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
Message-ID: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

First Amendment? You mean the part of the Bill of Rights that will soon be violated when the new President and
Congress work together to bring back the Fairness Doctrine? Political talk radio on terrestrial radio may soon
be dead. Freedom of speech? Who needs that when you have a government about to step in and regulate
radio on the issue of "fairness".

If it applies to NPR, TV, newspapers, magazines, and movies, at least it would be consistent. Instead it seems
squarely aimed to kill political talk radio--which happens to mostly lean right. Great. 

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 22:59:11 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:59:11 -0600
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <E53CE91CAAF849998BEEF13D50E950A0@DanBillingsPC>
References: <139679.48339.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4F4A44D599A94FCBB34F7BD457CF4CA9@SatU205S5044>
	<E53CE91CAAF849998BEEF13D50E950A0@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811041959g4810a74bgfba7bfb9900f9a36@mail.gmail.com>

First amendment covers a lot of ground but deliberately giving out
false information isn't covered.

Some people still believe anything they hear over the airwaves. There
were viewers who did believe Great Blue HIll erupted or that Buffalo
was invaded by Martians 40 years ago.



On 11/4/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
> To: <ssmyth@psualum.com>; <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>;
> "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
>
>
>> By rights, the Mass Attorney General should haul Entercom into court
>> under the statute regarding interfering with elections.
>
> Dennis & Callahan are idiotic.  The joke is not funny.  But the First
> Amendment trumps any silly Mass statute.  The Secretary of State has fallen
> to the level of idiotic talk show hosts with his comments.
>
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 22:14:33 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:14:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <494373.99618.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Tue, 11/4/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> First Amendment? You mean the part of the Bill of Rights
> that will soon be violated when the new President and
> Congress work together to bring back the Fairness Doctrine?
> Political talk radio on terrestrial radio may soon
> be dead. Freedom of speech? Who needs that when you have a
> government about to step in and regulate
> radio on the issue of "fairness".

You mean, how Harry Reid has said that reinstating the Fairness Doctrine is not on the table? 

Oh, yeah, Obama's said the same thing, too.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/index.asp?layout=talkbackCommentsFull&talk_back_header_id=6565500&articleid=CA6610578

-- "Obama's press secretary reiterated last week that Obama stands by the statement he gave B&C in June that he 'does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,' calling the debate over the doctrine 'a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible.'"
 
> If it applies to NPR, TV, newspapers, magazines, and
> movies, at least it would be consistent. Instead it seems
> squarely aimed to kill political talk radio--which happens
> to mostly lean right. Great.

Glad to know that the one place I usually can count on to avoid politics has been infected with political talk. 


      

From dave@skywaves.net  Tue Nov  4 23:59:01 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:59:01 -0500
Subject: Big City 101.3
References: <cd4.3d29273d.3640b52d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <66FB158E953944F3AA0906DB6BC30B1A@skywaves.com>

Mailing Address:    Caribbean Connection
CO WRCA Suite 1
522 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139

Email:David Martin, Director
CaribbeanConnection@hotmail.com

Advertising:(617) 293-8357

Request Line:(617) 822-2489

The building appears to be in the commercial district of Cambridge.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TVNETDUDE@aol.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: Big City 101.3


>
> They have a new website with a request line. They have a website similar 
> to
> Touch-FM and they are now streaming.
>
> _http://www.ourcaribbeanconnection.com/index.html_
> (http://www.ourcaribbeanconnection.com/index.html)
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From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 23:58:03 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (jjlehmann@comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Boston Pirate
In-Reply-To: <C3FED9185AC64CB4B7442CA79094319E@skywaves.com>
Message-ID: <1434764683.736361225861083640.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>


> Their website even has an address: 

> Choice 102.9 FM 
> 452 Norfolk Street 
> Boston, MA 02124 
> Phone: 617-459-4156 
> Email: sales@choice1029.com 

> That's about 10km from the Garden. The address looks like a residence. If 
> that's the transmitter site, they've got to be running serious power to be 
> heard at the Garden. My guess is the actual operation is much closer in to 
> downtown. 

452 Norfolk St. is indeed their transmitter site. The FCC has visited there on several occasions, but it has not effect. 

Jeff Lehmann 
Hanson, MA 



From dave@skywaves.net  Tue Nov  4 23:52:36 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:52:36 -0500
Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes
References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37B26E20FAA5471BBD25E8D2AFCAE773@skywaves.com>

> WPLY/WWOD

Ummm...

Plywood?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Some Pioneer Valley notes


>
> No, the preacher on WLHZ-LP never stops screaming. My friend drove through 
> a
> few weeks ago and heard basically the same thing.
>
> You mean WBNW 1120, right? 1120 and 970 are owned by Barry Armstrong, host
> of Money Matters.
>
> I have a few clips of WPLY/WWOD when there was some kind of outage at the
> transmitter site but the studios and streaming were working fine.. and you
> hear a weather bed and community calendar music ebd just roll on..and
> on..... annnnd on.
>
> A google search shows the WHHB Faculty advisor is Mr. Chris Murphy
> http://teacherweb.com/MA/HollistonHighSchool/murphy/
>
> Paul Walker
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Garrett Wollman 
> <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:
>
>> I took today, the last weekday this year with five hours of afternoon,
>> off from work so I could drive around the Pioneer Valley.  (Is that an
>> admission of having no life or what?)  Some notes:
>>
>> o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk
>> o WSCB (89.9A Springfield) noted on air with open carrier and stereo
>> pilot.
>> o WMAS (1450 Springfield) failed to ID.
>> o Does that Spanish-language preacher on WLHZ-LP (107.9 Springfield)
>> ever stop screaming?
>> o There's no convenient place to stop between Northampton and South
>> Hadley that has a decent signal from both WOZQ (91.9A N'ton) and WMHC
>> (91.5A S. Hadley).
>> o WOZQ did not identify.
>> o WNMH (91.5A Northfield) is supposedly on 24x7 automation, but it was
>> not on the air when I passed.
>> o WKBK (1290B Keene) and WZBK (1220D Keene) are both now on
>> translators (mounted on the WZBK tower); the hourly IDs for both
>> stations identify the translators.  (WKVT-1490 is also // WZBK.)
>> o The WKNE etc. studio building looks to have been completely
>> remodeled since I was last there about a decade ago.
>> o WEEY (93.5A Swanzey) has been running the raw WEEI feed with no
>> local ID the past couple of times I've passed through Keene.
>> o The former WPLY-FM (96.3A Walpole) is still simulcasting WWOD-104.3
>> despite having recently changed calls.
>> o Franklin Pierce College upgraded to a University but the campus
>> station is still WFPC-LP.
>>
>> On the way home, I stopped by Holliston High School.  Sadly, whatever
>> educational program the station has doesn't seem to have penetrated
>> the skull of the kid who was on between 7:40 and 8:20.  Not only was
>> there no legal ID, but he or she never even cracked the mic in all
>> that time.  The square waves sounded like they were coming from a
>> teenager's iPod on shuffle, complete with two-second pauses between
>> tracks.  PICON?  It's not clear from the HHS Web site who the
>> responsible adult is.
>>
>> -GAWollman
>>
>>
>
> 


From dave@skywaves.net  Tue Nov  4 23:48:52 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:48:52 -0500
Subject: Boston Pirate
References: <89FD4719234145DCA487699511EF800C@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <C3FED9185AC64CB4B7442CA79094319E@skywaves.com>

Their website even has an address:

Choice 102.9 FM
452 Norfolk Street
Boston, MA 02124
Phone: 617-459-4156
Email: sales@choice1029.com

That's about 10km from the Garden. The address looks like a residence. If 
that's the transmitter site, they've got to be running serious power to be 
heard at the Garden. My guess is the actual operation is much closer in to 
downtown.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
To: <paul@derrynh.net>; "'Garrett Wollman'" <wollman@bimajority.org>; 
<bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Boston Pirate


>
>> I was at the Garden in Boston yesterday to make a delivery and was 
>> waiting
>> to back into a dock door, and was flipping the dial, and found Haitian(?)
>> on
>> 102.9.
>
> Choice 102.9 has been around for years. They've been fined several times,
> but it never does any good, just like with almost all the others.
>
> http://www.choice1029.com/
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>
> 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 01:51:01 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:51:01 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>


>>Political talk radio on terrestrial radio may soon
be dead. Freedom of speech? Who needs that when you have a government about 
to step in and regulate
radio on the issue of "fairness".<<

We lived with the so-called Fairness Doctrine a long time before it was 
abolished and we did just fine.

Somehow this has turned into a talking point for Republicans and right wing 
talk radio.  I don't see the doom and gloom scenarios that people are 
painting...as if the Fairness Doctrine would end all politcal speech.

We dealt with just as many touchy political subjects back then, and no one 
ever complained that they were being stifled.

I DO remember radio discourse being much more civil then.  I don't know if 
that was the fairness doctrine, or just a sign of a different time.

If it brings more civility to conversation on radio.....then I'm all for it.

But stop the gloom and doom talking points that the fairness doctrine will 
bring political discussion to a halt.


>> If it applies to NPR, TV, newspapers, magazines, and movies, at least it 
>> would be consistent. <<

It should apply to NPR...but TV, Newspapers and Magazines are private 
enterprises and do operate on the public spectrum, they own their own press, 
ink and paper.  Radio is being granted a license to use the public airways.


>> Instead it seems squarely aimed to kill political talk radio--which 
>> happens to mostly lean right. Great.<<

No, it seems to want to address fairness....which is a noble thing.

Don't use the public airwaves to unfairly attack someone.


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Nov  5 02:35:31 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:35:31 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>

At 1:51 a.m., Don A wrote:

> It should apply to NPR...but TV, Newspapers and Magazines are private 
> enterprises and do operate on the public spectrum, they own their own 
> press, ink and paper.  Radio is being granted a license to use the 
> public airways.

Can you clarify this?   TV belongs in the same category as radio, and 
not in the same category as newspapers and magazines.

Let's chalk the confusion up to the time of day.  :-)

--RC


From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 07:16:10 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:16:10 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E412B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>We lived with the so-called Fairness Doctrine a long time before it was
abolished and we did just fine.<<

...and it was effectively unenforceable.  Licensees that covered news with any regularity at all could always point to SOME programming they did that gave the "other" side its shot at airtime.

>>Somehow this has turned into a talking point for Republicans and right wing
talk radio.  I don't see the doom and gloom scenarios that people are
painting...as if the Fairness Doctrine would end all political speech.<<

As has already been mentioned:  Obama and most of the Democratic leadership are on record as opposing its return.  That's right, ON THE RECORD...something which some right-wing talk-show hosts appear to have trouble with and conveniently ignore when it suits them.

>>It should apply to NPR...but TV, Newspapers and Magazines are private
enterprises and do operate on the public spectrum, they own their own press,
ink and paper.  Radio is being granted a license to use the public airways.<<

Excuse me?  TV stations aren't licensed by the FCC?  When did this happen?

NPR is a network, not a station owner.  The FCC has no jurisdiction over networks unless they hold licenses.

>>No, it seems to want to address fairness....which is a noble thing.

Don't use the public airwaves to unfairly attack someone.<<

The last thing anyone should want is government as arbiter of either truth or fairness, because we've already seen where that leads...not in our country, but in others (Germany and Russia, to name just two).  Besides, there's this pesky little annoyance known as the First Amendment...


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Nov  5 10:14:20 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:14:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Big City 101.3
Message-ID: <28444486.1225898060794.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

From: "Dave Doherty" <dave@skywaves.net>
Re: Big City 101.3

> Mailing Address:    Caribbean Connection
> CO WRCA Suite 1
> 522 Massachusetts Avenue
> Cambridge, MA 02139
> 
> Email:David Martin, Director
> CaribbeanConnection@hotmail.com
> Advertising:(617) 293-8357
> Request Line:(617) 822-2489
> 
> The building appears to be in the commercial district 
> of Cambridge.

Caribbean Connection is a radio show which airs on the
pirate station, not the station itself. Apparently it
receives its mail at the Cambridge address of the
legitimate brokered station WRCA (1330 AM), on which
the program used to air. The program website claims 
that it's still on WRCA Saturday afternoons, but the
WRCA website schedule contradicts that. The show does
not currently appear on the WRCA website schedule at
http://www.1330wrca.com

The studio and transmitter for the pirate "Big City
101.3" is on Blue Hill Ave in Roxbury near Franklin
Park. The phone numbers on the Caribbean Connection
website are Roxbury/Dorchester exchanges, despite the
Cambridge mailing address. The request line is the one
that "Big City FM" uses for all shows. 

"Big City FM" has a website at http://www.bigcityfm.com
Caribbean Connection is listed there as airing Monday
evenings and Saturday mornings. The pirate station puts
out a lot of power, and can be heard beyond Route 128
in most directions.

> From: <TVNETDUDE@aol.com>
> Subject: Big City 101.3
>  
> > They have a new website with a request line. They have
> > a website similar to Touch-FM and they are now streaming.
> > 
> > _http://www.ourcaribbeanconnection.com/index.html




From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Nov  5 10:27:45 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:27:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Boston pirate
Message-ID: <19432586.1225898865666.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:58 PM
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net
To:"Dave Doherty" <dave@skywaves.net>

> > Their website even has an address:
> >
> > Choice 102.9 FM
> > 452 Norfolk Street
> > Boston, MA 02124

> > That's about 10km from the Garden. The address looks like 
> > a residence. If that's the transmitter site, they've got to 
> > be running serious power to be heard at the Garden. My guess 
> > is the actual operation is much closer in to downtown.
>
> 452 Norfolk St. is indeed their transmitter site. The FCC has 
> visited there on several occasions, but it has not effect.

He's correct. Like "Big City 101.3", "Choice 102.9" puts out
a lot of power and can be heard well beyond Route 128 in most
directions, as well as in Boston proper. It is strongest in 
the Dorchester/Mattapan area (near Norfolk St.), though.

These two high-powered pirates (and others) have been on the 
air from the inner city for at least a couple of years now.
If you're regular Boston area radio listeners, I'm surprised
that you haven't already heard them yet. 

EP




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 12:06:08 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:06:08 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>


>
>> It should apply to NPR...but TV, Newspapers and Magazines are private
>> enterprises and do operate on the public spectrum, they own their own
>> press, ink and paper.  Radio is being granted a license to use the public
>> airways.
>
> Can you clarify this?   TV belongs in the same category as radio..

You're right.  Sorry......yes, late nights, early mornings....election day,
etc.

>>NPR is a network, not a station owner.  The FCC has no jurisdiction over
>>networks unless they hold licenses.<<

But the programming would have to adhere, because it runs on licensed radio 
stations.  Just like they wouldn't send down obscene material down the wire 
for stations to run.

>>The last thing anyone should want is government as arbiter of either
>>fairness,

The last thing we need is people using public airwaves for unfair attacks.








From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:13:21 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:13:21 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
Message-ID: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don A" 
>To: "BRI+" 
>Subject: Re: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:26:15 -0500

>Someone forwarded this to me. I know some of the people on this 
>list who are "Progresive Radio" fans love Keith Olberman.

>Here's a SNL spoof on him
>----- Original Message -----

>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:25 AM
>Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.

>In true SNL fashion.

>Whaddya think? A good impression of his style or nor?

>from radio info:
>http://www.hulu.com/watch/42024/saturday-night-live-countdown-with-keith-olbermann

Monday night, Keith showed a segment from the spoof, along with an
autographed copy of the cue card by Ben Affleck.  Ben said he based 
his imitation on the fact that he's a big fan and regular viewer of
"Countdown".



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From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:29:40 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:29:40 -0500
Subject: Work Being Done On WNNW-AM 800 Tower
Message-ID: <20081104192940.09C7032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

Recently, I made reference to the fact that the former 93.7 FM antenna that for
decades was attached to the AM 800 tower in Andover had been removed.  For several 
hours today (Tuesday, Election Day) WNNW-AM has been off-the-air.  In the days when
it was the home of WCCM-AN and operating with 1,000 watts days, apparently the station
did not have an auxiliary transmitter, so I've observed several occasions when it
was silent in those days.  But now they have a 3kw transmitter with IBOC, and on at
least one occasion, I've observed that they were using an auxiliary transmitter because 
there was no hash, and if I turned my radio "sideways" to Andover, I got a slight signal
from Schenectady's WGY.  So on a hunch, I drove over to West Andover, and sure enough,
there were several trucks parked at the base of the tower, and two men were installing what 
looked like a cellar antenna.  Undoubtedly, Costa-Eagle is promoting their tower to
cellular and other entities as a place to position their antennas.  So a whole day
of broadcasting is expendable to grow their revenue by renting tower space.  Of course
it's a warm, sunny, windless day, ideal for such work.  I wonder how many times AM 800 will be
silent so the riggers can install new antennas.
BTW, Providence's AM 790 is coming in quite well all over Lawrence and Methuen, and I got a faint 
signal from CJAD in Montreal at mid-day (between 11:30 am and noon this time of year); and of course WGY 
is, as usual when AM 800 is absent, quite audible.
 

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From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:14:48 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:14:48 -0500
Subject: Costa-Eagle Buys W275BH
Message-ID: <20081104201448.60E8F1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>

All-access Media reports that Costa-Eagle Broadcasting is buying a CP
for a new translator ostensibly in Newton, NH, with the call letters
W275BH, operating on 102.9 FM.  Could their plan be to make it a rebroadcaster
of WCEC-AM 1490 in Haverhill?  Would it stay in Newton or would Costa-Eagle move
it to the WCEC-AM tower in Haverhill itself?  Don't forget, there is a Low Power FM
in Londonderry, NH.  (Damn...forgot to tune it in when I went to the Obama
rally last month.  I did notice that WCCM-AM 1110 came in like gangbusters
in Londonderry, at least as well as the Manchester AMs. That's because it's 
directionalized AWAY from its COL Salem, NH and also Lawrence, its former home.) 
 

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From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 13:23:16 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:23:16 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
	<DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>The last thing we need is people using public airwaves for unfair attacks.<<

...and again, who decides what's unfair?  The person being attacked can certainly reply if he/she so chooses.  However, having government mandate it is wrong and for the most part unenforceable.  We didn't come this far to start making exceptions to the First Amendment just because someone is (gasp) OFFENDED!

Also, this nonsense about "public airwaves" needs to stop.  There are no "airwaves."  It's an artificial argumentative construct not bearing any relationship to reality.  Stations are licensed to use a frequency or band of frequencies for a certain specified length of time, and with very few exceptions are permitted to program whatever they want.  The public does not own those frequencies, because those frequencies don't exist until the licensee fires up a transmitter which they have been (presumably) licensed to operate.  If the "public" really owns the "airwaves," try walking into your local radio station and demand to be put on the air.  After all, you're a member of the "public," right?  Try not to be too annoyed by the hysterical laughter that follows you out the door.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:32:18 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:32:18 -0600
Subject: Work Being Done On WNNW-AM 800 Tower
In-Reply-To: <20081104192940.09C7032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081104192940.09C7032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811051032x20e93820k3f619d23d24f91d8@mail.gmail.com>

When WXCT Southington, CT had some cellular antennas put on one tower, they
were simply at extremely low power for a day or two, for the safety of the
crews..

If it's not safe for them to climb the towers and mount antennas when the
station is on the air and you make references to a broadcast day being
"expendable".. when do you propose they put an antenna up there?

Paul Walker
www.onairdj.com


On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

> Recently, I made reference to the fact that the former 93.7 FM antenna that
> for
> decades was attached to the AM 800 tower in Andover had been removed.  For
> several
> hours today (Tuesday, Election Day) WNNW-AM has been off-the-air.  In the
> days when
> it was the home of WCCM-AN and operating with 1,000 watts days, apparently
> the station
> did not have an auxiliary transmitter, so I've observed several occasions
> when it
> was silent in those days.  But now they have a 3kw transmitter with IBOC,
> and on at
> least one occasion, I've observed that they were using an auxiliary
> transmitter because
> there was no hash, and if I turned my radio "sideways" to Andover, I got a
> slight signal
> from Schenectady's WGY.  So on a hunch, I drove over to West Andover, and
> sure enough,
> there were several trucks parked at the base of the tower, and two men were
> installing what
> looked like a cellar antenna.  Undoubtedly, Costa-Eagle is promoting their
> tower to
> cellular and other entities as a place to position their antennas.  So a
> whole day
> of broadcasting is expendable to grow their revenue by renting tower space.
>  Of course
> it's a warm, sunny, windless day, ideal for such work.  I wonder how many
> times AM 800 will be
> silent so the riggers can install new antennas.
> BTW, Providence's AM 790 is coming in quite well all over Lawrence and
> Methuen, and I got a faint
> signal from CJAD in Montreal at mid-day (between 11:30 am and noon this
> time of year); and of course WGY
> is, as usual when AM 800 is absent, quite audible.
>
>

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Wed Nov  5 13:47:53 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:47:53 EST
Subject: Boston Pirate
Message-ID: <c5c.3c4e4c62.36434459@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/5/2008 12:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

He's  correct. Like "Big City 101.3", 
This frequency was quiet for awhile they were shut down by the FCC. If  you 
do a reverse look up on the phone number you can see it has been  around.  
 
It seems to have been resurrected in the past month or so. It looks like  the 
same person is running it.
_http://search2.fcc.gov/search/index.htm?job=search&site=fcc_all&q=richard+clo
uden_ 
(http://search2.fcc.gov/search/index.htm?job=search&site=fcc_all&q=richard+clouden) 
 
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From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 14:00:39 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:00:39 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
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Message-ID: <18705.60759.855739.678247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:23:16 -0500, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> We didn't come this far to start making exceptions to the First
> Amendment just because someone is (gasp) OFFENDED!

Let's please stop this nonsense about "making exceptions to the First
Amendment".  The freedoms of speech, and of the press, have *never* in
the history of this country been absolute, and broadcast services,
using licensed spectrum, have always been subject to stricter
government regulation than unlicensed media, as confirmed in a long
line of Supreme Court decisions.

> The public does not own those frequencies,

Yes it does; that is the entire basis of the FCC's regulation; the
broadcast spectrum -- all of it -- is a commons, belonging to the
public as a whole.  Licensees receive only a right to use it; they do
not have any legal entitlement to, much less ownership of, spectrum
beyond that given them by the public through the FCC.  (My libertarian
friends would like to change that, but it hasn't happened yet.)

> If the "public" really owns the "airwaves," try walking into your
> local radio station and demand to be put on the air.  After all,
> you're a member of the "public," right?

Don't trip over the strawman on the way out the door, Sid.

-GAWollamn


From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 14:15:24 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:15:24 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <18705.60759.855739.678247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
	<DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<18705.60759.855739.678247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E46B4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>> >The public does not own those frequencies,

Yes it does; that is the entire basis of the FCC's regulation; the
broadcast spectrum -- all of it -- is a commons, belonging to the
public as a whole.  Licensees receive only a right to use it; they do
not have any legal entitlement to, much less ownership of, spectrum
beyond that given them by the public through the FCC.<<

Then show me where, at law, such public ownership is specifically spelled out...and if not, how the Tenth Amendment applies.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 15:40:02 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:40:02 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV86D5A0AF639FF86D1D400D61F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro><49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com><DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<BAY111-DAV86D5A0AF639FF86D1D400D61F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E481C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>They own the spectrum.  It is a public resource, like a national park.  We
occaisionally give people permits to operate on such....but it must be in
the public interest...Don't be ridiculous.  Like I said, they own the spectrum.  It's a public
resource.<<

Prove it.  Show me where, at law, public ownership is conferred.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040






From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 15:58:46 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0600
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <18705.60759.855739.678247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
	<DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<18705.60759.855739.678247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811051258g64568894w5a59350c95f6e56a@mail.gmail.com>

The Radio Act of 1927 quite clearly stated that the people or
government did not own the frequencies but the government had the
right to regulate.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 16:07:33 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:07:33 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro><49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com><DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><BAY111-DAV86D5A0AF639FF86D1D400D61F0@phx.gbl>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E481C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <8D67A2358716491BBE30F7A586209790@MainXPPro>




>>They own the spectrum.  It is a public resource, like a national park.  We
occaisionally give people permits to operate on such....but it must be in
the public interest...Don't be ridiculous.  Like I said, they own the 
spectrum.  It's a public
resource.<<

>> Prove it.  Show me where, at law, public ownership is conferred.

Show me where oxygen, by law,  public ownership is conferred.

Radio station owners are not given "ownership", they are granted a "license" 
for a specific period of time.

(Ask Bill Gates the difference between the two and how that works.)

The terminology was that they were a public "trustee".

(You do remember the words "in the public interest as a public trustee".) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 16:36:44 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:36:44 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E46B4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Message-ID: <18706.4588.155414.208367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:15:24 -0500, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> Then show me where, at law, such public ownership is specifically
> spelled out...

The terms of the licenses that the Commission hands out state clearly
that they do not transfer any ownership interest in the spectrum.
This implies that the public owns it.  47 U.S.C 301:

# It is the purpose of this chapter, among other things, to maintain
# the control of the United States over all the channels of radio
# transmission; and to provide for the use of such channels, but not
# the ownership thereof, by persons for limited periods of time, under
# licenses granted by Federal authority, and no such license shall be
# construed to create any right, beyond the terms, conditions, and
# periods of the license.

I think our friend Joe Ross has written before about the "bundle of
rights" theory in property law; if I'm remembering my terminology
correctly, in property law, a license is the weakest form of interest
one can have: a non-transferable, temporary right to use the property
-- it's what a ticket to the movies or a sporting event is (it
probably says exactly that in the fine print on the reverse).  If we
think of spectrum as being analogous to property, then in order for
the FCC to grant a license to use it, it must have the right to grant
such licenses, which implies that the airwaves are in public
ownership.

In "The Public and Broadcasting", the Commission writes:

# In exchange for obtaining a valuable license to operate a broadcast
# station using the public airwaves, each radio and television licensee
# is required by law to operate its station in the "public interest,
# convenience and necessity."

> and if not, how the Tenth Amendment applies.

The same as it applies to any other question, i.e., not at all.  The
Tenth Amendment is mere interpretive guidance, put there because, in
the traditions of legal interpretation, the reservation of specific
powers under the Constitution to the states could otherwise be
interpreted as the exclusive definition of their powers.  See United
States v. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941).  The FCC's exclusive
jurisdiction over this particular commons derives from the Commerce
Clause -- otherwise it would belong individually to each state.

-GAWollman

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov  5 14:35:02 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:35:02 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
Message-ID: <20081105193502.DA679BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Garrett Wollman" 
>To: "Sid Schweiger" 
>Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: RE: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:00:39 

> The public does not own those frequencies,

>Yes it does; that is the entire basis of the FCC's regulation; the
>broadcast spectrum -- all of it -- is a commons, belonging to the
>public as a whole. Licensees receive only a right to use it; they do
>not have any legal entitlement to, much less ownership of, spectrum
>beyond that given them by the public through the FCC. (My libertarian
>friends would like to change that, but it hasn't happened yet.)

>-GAWollamn

Here's a "thought experiment" (one that has meandered through my febrile
cerebellum many times after a few Sam Adamses):
Can you imagine how different radio (and TV too) would be if at the dawn of Federal 
Regulation of radio, the government said you COULDN'T SELL A RADIO LICENSE?
Just the equipment, the towers and the land on which they are sited?  If,
after a few years, a licensee just "wanted to get out of the business", 
he or she would just walk  away and the FCC would entertain applications from
new entities.  In a few years many radio licenses may be of little worth
(it just happened in Oak Ridge, TN) anyway, and even some broadcast TV licenses
could easily  be turned in (channel 62?).



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From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov  5 14:41:18 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:41:18 -0500
Subject: Work Being Done On WNNW-AM 800 Tower
Message-ID: <20081105194118.16A16BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." 
>To: "Laurence Glavin" 
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: Work Being Done On WNNW-AM 800 Tower
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:32:18 -0600

>When WXCT Southington, CT had some cellular antennas put on one tower, they were simply at extremely low power for a day or two, for >the safety of the crews..

>If it's not safe for them to climb the towers and mount antennas when the station is on the air and you make references to a >broadcast day being "expendable".. when do you propose they put an antenna up there? 

>Paul Walker
>www.onairdj.com

With winter coming, there may not be any more occasions when space on the WNNW tower is
rented to anyone;  but in the spring (which in New England can be a tumultuous time
of year weatherwise), Sundays from surise until noon or so might be a good time.  Perhaps
they chose Tuesday because the weather was ideal, the deal had been made, and there were no 
Shaheen-Sununununu (I know how to spell his name...I just don't know when to stop)  spots
to run.





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From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 16:39:26 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:39:26 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <8D67A2358716491BBE30F7A586209790@MainXPPro>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro><49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com><DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><BAY111-DAV86D5A0AF639FF86D1D400D61F0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E492B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Show me where oxygen, by law,  public ownership is conferred.

Radio station owners are not given "ownership", they are granted a "license"
for a specific period of time.

(Ask Bill Gates the difference between the two and how that works.)

The terminology was that they were a public "trustee".

(You do remember the words "in the public interest as a public trustee".)<<

I didn't ask for the "it's obvious" response, and I know what a license is.  Show me where, at law, public ownership of the radio spectrum is conferred.

The language of license renewal pre- or post-filing announcements is not the law.

Cite it.  I'm perfectly willing to be persuaded by evidence, but so far no one has it.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov  5 16:51:05 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:51:05 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <18706.4588.155414.208367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081105025224.9771A83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3B1F2A6383D14BD8B25C2DABC5D56510@MainXPPro>
	<49114CC3.1070105@gabrielmass.com>
	<DD7527C0A706486086B29EB5569CD50A@MainXPPro>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C021E45A4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C022659CA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>The terms of the licenses that the Commission hands out state clearly
that they do not transfer any ownership interest in the spectrum.
This implies that the public owns it.  47 U.S.C 301:

# It is the purpose of this chapter, among other things, to maintain
# the control of the United States over all the channels of radio
# transmission; and to provide for the use of such channels, but not
# the ownership thereof, by persons for limited periods of time, under
# licenses granted by Federal authority, and no such license shall be
# construed to create any right, beyond the terms, conditions, and
# periods of the license.<<

Huge assumption there, that the lack of ownership on the part of the licensee automatically means the "public" owns it.  That is neither spelled out in 47 USC ?301 or spelled out or implied anywhere else.  If anything, the "Federal authority" referred to in section 301 would own it, since they can't license something they don't own (if the "public" owns RF spectrum, only they can license it).  Further, printed on every broadcast license for quite a while was the following:

"This license is subject to the right of use or control by the
Government of the United States conferred by Section 606 of the
Communications Act of 1934."

Note:  "government"...not the "public."  (BTW, section 606 no longer exists.)

>>In "The Public and Broadcasting", the Commission writes:

# In exchange for obtaining a valuable license to operate a broadcast
# station using the public airwaves, each radio and television licensee
# is required by law to operate its station in the "public interest,
# convenience and necessity."<<

A pamphlet from the FCC is not the law.

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Wed Nov  5 17:02:15 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:02:15 EST
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown
Message-ID: <bf4.3c742281.364371e7@aol.com>

In person Keith Olberman is not the wild man you see on TV in fact he  seldom 
speaks and is actually very shy off-camera. Normally he walks around with  
his head down and doesn't make eye contact with you when he speaks to you. Chris 
 Matthews on the other hand is what you is what you get. 
 
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From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 17:00:48 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:00:48 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105193502.DA679BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <0C5A8A39EC444A41A1322BC8F8A7F5F4@MainXPPro>



>>>
Here's a "thought experiment" (one that has meandered through my febrile
cerebellum many times after a few Sam Adamses):
Can you imagine how different radio (and TV too) would be if at the dawn of 
Federal
Regulation of radio, the government said you COULDN'T SELL A RADIO LICENSE?
Just the equipment, the towers and the land on which they are sited?
<<

i.e.....WNAC-TV.....and WHDH-TV

They could not sell the license, as the government (the public) took it back 
and gave the license to operate chs 7/5  to someone else.

(Ch 5 eventually sold their equipment....and the new licensee of ch 7 bought 
it from RKO GEnceral at fire sale prices.)



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 17:07:13 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:07:13 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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>> I didn't ask for the "it's obvious" response, and I know what a license 
>> is.  Show me where, at law, public ownership of the radio spectrum is 
>> conferred.<<
>> The language of license renewal pre- or post-filing announcements is not 
>> the law.

However it's the assumption of what the current legal understanding is/was.


>> Cite it.  I'm perfectly willing to be persuaded by evidence, but so far 
>> no one has it.

Again, can you site where public ownership of oxygen is conferred?  (So far 
you haven't.)

Yet, the government puts restrictions on it's use and abuse.

I don't doubt if there was a limited supply of air (as there is spectrum) 
the government would restrict anyone from having the ability to use/abuse, 
monopolize or claim "ownership".





From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 17:11:24 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:11:24 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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<<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:51:05 -0500, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> Note:  "government"...not the "public."  (BTW, section 606 no longer exists.)

You appear to be under the mistaken belief that government ownership
and public ownership are different things.  They are not.  The
government is the mechanism by which the public exercises its
collective ownership.  (That's true of everything which is in public
ownership, from Yellowstone National Park to the Smithsonian
Institution.)

-GAWollman

From billohno@gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:25:48 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:25:48 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
Message-ID: <49122B7C.2010507@gmail.com>

What's the likelihood of a return of the Fairness Doctrine?

I, for one, would consider it a disaster for terrestrial radio's future.

Bill O'Neill
-- 
I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
/Rodney Dangerfield/

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 18:31:40 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:31:40 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <49122B7C.2010507@gmail.com>
References: <49122B7C.2010507@gmail.com>
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<<On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:25:48 -0500, "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com> said:

> What's the likelihood of a return of the Fairness Doctrine?

Rather low.  There's not a whole lot of appetite for it outside the
far-left (mostly print and online) media.  Even the current
regulations are difficult to enforce, and even a Democratic FCC
is likely to remain committed to content neutrality.  (Indeed, it's
fairly likely that the FCC will take up "Network Neutrality" before it
looks at anything on the broadcast content side.)

We're all also waiting for the Supreme Court to enlighten us on its
current approach towards broadcast indecency regulation, which is
likely to tell us where they are headed for other kinds of content
regulation.

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 18:26:43 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:26:43 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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<<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:00:48 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> i.e.....WNAC-TV.....and WHDH-TV

> They could not sell the license, as the government (the public) took it back 
> and gave the license to operate chs 7/5  to someone else.

Not quite the same situation, because this was all tangled up in those
stations' license renewals, at a time when the FCC allowed competitive
applications against pending renewals.  A better example would be
those cases where a station owner is convicted of a felony.  Felons
are not allowed to hold broadcast licenses, and on a number of
occasions, the FCC has simply reassigned the license to someone else,
either as a caretaker trustee or as a new station owner.

-GAWollman


From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 18:42:13 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:42:13 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <49122B7C.2010507@gmail.com>
References: <49122B7C.2010507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net>

You know, I've been thinking about this too. 

I have always been an advocate of the fairness doctrine for TV and radio.
Unlike newspapers, magazines, books, or Web sites, 
you just can't legally start a TV or radio station to compete with another
station if you don't like the viewpoints of their hosts.
And while conservatives say NPR is "liberal talk," it truly isn't that
liberal on economic issues. They are just as corporate.

But after watching this election cycle, I'm leaning towards no longer
supporting the fairness doctrine.
The simple fact is that most of the newspapers were totally in the tank for
Obama/Biden. They should have listed the media on their 
campaign reports as an in-kind donation. They attacked Sarah Palin over the
most trivial things and ignored major hypocrisies with the Dems. 
They didn't report Biden gaffes but wrote about Palin's clothing budget. 
Look at the illegal alien aunt of Obama's, who illegally donated money to
the campaign, living in a Southie housing project story. 
That didn't make my daily newspaper but every time Palin had a gaffe, it was
in there. The coverage was so one-sided it made me 
embarrassed to call myself a newspaper editor. And we still don't know where
Obama stands on many of the major issues 
because he never told us. He just pushed his hope dope. 

So long as the printed press is going to only report one side of the news,
why should we force talk radio to report both sides? 
In many ways, the current situation, is an equal force between media
outlets. 

Did I just say that? Wow. Shocker. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bill O'Neill
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:26 PM
To: Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Fairness Doctrine

What's the likelihood of a return of the Fairness Doctrine?

I, for one, would consider it a disaster for terrestrial radio's future.

Bill O'Neill
-- 
I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
/Rodney Dangerfield/


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov  5 19:06:06 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:06:06 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net>
Message-ID: <0K9V000K9XLK9F00@asmtp022.mac.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of radiotony
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:42 PM
> To: 'Boston Radio Interest'
> Subject: RE: Fairness Doctrine
 
> Look at the illegal alien aunt of Obama's, who illegally 
> donated money to
> the campaign, living in a Southie housing project story. 
> That didn't make my daily newspaper but every time Palin had 
> a gaffe, it was in there. >

Well, then how did you know about this?  Obviously, from some part of the
media?  I don't think there were many people who didn't know this, so
obviously the word got out.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 19:36:31 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:36:31 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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I first read it in a UK newspaper online and then in the Boston Herald.
It wasn't in my New Hampshire daily or the New York Times.
It should have been NATIONAL news. It wasn't. It was ignored. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Larry Weil
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:06 PM
To: 'Boston Radio Interest'
Subject: RE: Fairness Doctrine

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of radiotony
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:42 PM
> To: 'Boston Radio Interest'
> Subject: RE: Fairness Doctrine
 
> Look at the illegal alien aunt of Obama's, who illegally 
> donated money to
> the campaign, living in a Southie housing project story. 
> That didn't make my daily newspaper but every time Palin had 
> a gaffe, it was in there. >

Well, then how did you know about this?  Obviously, from some part of the
media?  I don't think there were many people who didn't know this, so
obviously the word got out.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Nov  5 19:41:16 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:41:16 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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>It was said--
>
> > Look at the illegal alien aunt of Obama's, who illegally
> > donated money to
> > the campaign, living in a Southie housing project story.
> > That didn't make my daily newspaper but every time Palin had
> > a gaffe, it was in there. >

HUH? It was front page of the Boston Herald, front page of the NY 
Post, front page of every rightie newspaper in the country, it 
seems.  But the illegal donation of (gasp) $265 dollars isn't exactly 
earth-shattering news, plus she got into the Housing Project at a 
time when she was still legal-- her request for asylum was still 
pending.  This wasn't suppressed at all.  In fact, it got quite a bit 
of attention-- AP, USA Today, etc.    


From scott@fybush.com  Wed Nov  5 19:43:06 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:43:06 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <006101c93fa7$b9988a80$2cc99f80$@net>
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radiotony wrote:
> I first read it in a UK newspaper online and then in the Boston Herald.
> It wasn't in my New Hampshire daily or the New York Times.
> It should have been NATIONAL news. It wasn't. It was ignored. 

A quick search of nytimes.com for "Obama aunt" turned up this story, 
which claims to have been published in the paper version of the Times on 
Nov. 2...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02campaign.html

Just sayin'...

From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 20:01:32 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:01:32 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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I didn't see it in the print edition. 

I just did a Google News search of "Illegal alien aunt, Obama" ... 
87. Most of the links are blogs. It was in a few daily newspapers.

Compare that to the Palin clothing and make up searches
which I did a couple of weeks ago: 

Her hair and makeup expenses [16,900 hits] 
and the clothes [161,000 Google hits].

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Fybush [mailto:scott@fybush.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:43 PM
To: radiotony
Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest'
Subject: Re: Fairness Doctrine

radiotony wrote:
> I first read it in a UK newspaper online and then in the Boston Herald.
> It wasn't in my New Hampshire daily or the New York Times.
> It should have been NATIONAL news. It wasn't. It was ignored. 

A quick search of nytimes.com for "Obama aunt" turned up this story, 
which claims to have been published in the paper version of the Times on 
Nov. 2...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02campaign.html

Just sayin'...


From scott@fybush.com  Wed Nov  5 20:09:52 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:09:52 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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radiotony wrote:
> I didn't see it in the print edition. 
> 
> I just did a Google News search of "Illegal alien aunt, Obama" ... 
> 87. Most of the links are blogs. It was in a few daily newspapers.

It's all in how you do the search, I guess. Paring it down to simply 
"Obama aunt" - and let's face it, there's no reason THAT phrase would 
have been used in recent news items in any context other than this 
particular story - returned 2300+ hits, starting off with the Herald, 
the Globe, the AP, the Dallas Morning News and ABC.


From blainethompson@gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:46:53 2008
From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:46:53 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> radiotony wrote:
>
>> I didn't see it in the print edition.
>> I just did a Google News search of "Illegal alien aunt, Obama" ... 87.
>> Most of the links are blogs. It was in a few daily newspapers.
>>
>
Oh gosh.  My bread and butter sort of question.  Scott is indeed correct in
that it IS how you do the search.

(Disclaimer: I work outside the wonderful world of broadcasting during the
week.  I work in a library.  If that doesn't scream nerd...oh wait, but it
does.)

I have not fully investigated how Google News gives their results (i.e.
Which newspapers come up first, or not at all, etc.)  I would give examples
of searches here, and their differing results, but that is far beyond the
scope of this list.

Remember also that one of the larger goals of the newspaper is to get you to
purchase the newspaper.  Scandalous headlines (about whichever gender) still
work.

Plus, all publicity is still good publicity.

- Blaine

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov  5 23:38:46 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:38:46 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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<<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> The Radio Act of 1927 quite clearly stated that the people or
> government did not own the frequencies but the government had the
> right to regulate.

Of course, we operate under the regime of the Communications Act of
1932, not the Radio Act of 1927.

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 01:25:57 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:25:57 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
In-Reply-To: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
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On 4 Nov 2008 at 14:13, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> >Someone forwarded this to me. I know some of the people on this list
> >who are "Progresive Radio" fans love Keith Olberman.
> 
> >Here's a SNL spoof on him

I thought it was a pretty good impression, but the things he talked 
about were a bit unfair.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 01:25:57 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:25:57 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <18706.11187.501937.329693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081105193502.DA679BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<0C5A8A39EC444A41A1322BC8F8A7F5F4@MainXPPro>,
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On 5 Nov 2008 at 18:26, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> > i.e.....WNAC-TV.....and WHDH-TV
> 
> > They could not sell the license, as the government (the public) took
> > it back and gave the license to operate chs 7/5  to someone else.
> 
> Not quite the same situation, because this was all tangled up in those
> stations' license renewals, at a time when the FCC allowed competitive
> applications against pending renewals.  A better example would be
> those cases where a station owner is convicted of a felony.  Felons
> are not allowed to hold broadcast licenses, and on a number of
> occasions, the FCC has simply reassigned the license to someone else,
> either as a caretaker trustee or as a new station owner.

Actually, it was more complicated than that.  It had nothing to do 
with license renewal, per se, or with normal competitive applications 
against license renewal.

The Channel 5 case involved a decision to set aside the original 
award of the channel assignment to the Herald Traveler.  Because the 
original award was voided, a competitive process did not give WHDH-TV 
the benefit of its good record of performance that would normally be 
given to an incumbent licensee.

The Channel 7 case involved revocation of the license because RKO 
general was found guilty of corrupt practices and therefore 
unqualified to hold a license.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 01:22:20 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:22:20 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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>> > Look at the illegal alien aunt of Obama's, who illegally
>> > donated money to
>> > the campaign, living in a Southie housing project story.
>> > That didn't make my daily newspaper but every time Palin had
>> > a gaffe, it was in there. >
>
> HUH? It was front page of the Boston Herald, front page of the NY Post, 
> front page of every rightie newspaper in the country, it seems.

But it took the 'Times of London' to break the story.

If it wasn't for a LONDON newspaper...the Globe and the Herald (in it's own 
backyard)...and every other paper would have missed it.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Nov  6 01:50:29 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:50:29 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <001FDDFC229543E3A692A0E823619BD6@MainXPPro>
References: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net>
	<0K9V000K9XLK9F00@asmtp022.mac.com>
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And Don wrote--

>But it took the 'Times of London' to break the story.

But of course-- a Murdoch paper, and he fed it to the other rightie 
newspapers.  And your point is...???? 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:28 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:35:28 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
References: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
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>> >Someone forwarded this to me. I know some of the people on this list
>> >who are "Progresive Radio" fans love Keith Olberman.
>> 
>> >Here's a SNL spoof on him
> 
> I thought it was a pretty good impression, but the things he talked 
> about were a bit unfair.


Because we all know Keith plays it straight down the middle, huh?  ;-)


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:51 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:35:51 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105193502.DA679BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<0C5A8A39EC444A41A1322BC8F8A7F5F4@MainXPPro>,
	<18706.11187.501937.329693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<491247A5.19019.ADD8A3@joe.attorneyross.com>
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> On 5 Nov 2008 at 18:26, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>> > i.e.....WNAC-TV.....and WHDH-TV
>>
>> > They could not sell the license, as the government (the public) took
>> > it back and gave the license to operate chs 7/5  to someone else.
>>
>> Not quite the same situation, because this was all tangled up in those
>> stations' license renewals, at a time when the FCC allowed competitive
>> applications against pending renewals.

However, it was a situation where the company could only sell the tower, 
transmitter, equipment, etc.



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 02:37:25 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:37:25 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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> And Don wrote--
>
>>But it took the 'Times of London' to break the story.
>
> But of course-- a Murdoch paper, and he fed it to the other rightie 
> newspapers.  And your point is...????


The point is....why couldn't a Boston paper find out this information in 
their own backyard......be it a 'rightie' OR a 'lefty'?

BTW...."lefty" papers covered it too after the fact.

Your point is?



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 03:05:25 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:05:25 -0500
Subject: Herald: Obama victory benefits right wing radio
Message-ID: <20081106080525.7DA7483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view/2008_11_06_Right-wing_radio_feasts_like_its__92:_They_talk_gloom__but_face_boom/srvc=home&position=also

Jessica Heslam of the Herald points out that conservative talk radio could experience a boom with the
election of Barack Obama, similar to what happened with Rush Limbaugh in 1992 with Clinton's election.
She also talks about the rumors of the Fairness Doctrine coming back. (Some are saying it's not
a high priority for the Pres.-elect, by the way, but NY's Charles Schumer seems to support it--
and mentioned that the same people who want it to NOT be brought back are the same people who want
pornography to be prohibited/regulated.)

btw for those who say the Herald is a conservative paper, take note of the fact that they endorsed Obama and Kerry
as well as a No vote on Question 1. Each paper has their own columnists on both sides of the aisle, and the editorial
boards of each may not necessarily agree with the certain viewpoint one would expect. Good thing this is still
a two newspaper town, though...)

Incidentally, one would have expected liberal talk radio to have thrived in the past few years what with the
now-waning Bush administration but as far as I know, the only (commercial) liberal talk stations still around are
the three in Western MA and WKVT in southeastern VT (simulcast in Keene NH). If a serious effort had been
made at WKOX and WXKS (perhaps with local hosts and waiting around for the improved signal of 1200), they could
have benefitted.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 03:34:41 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:34:41 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
Message-ID: <20081106083441.22AC783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>


> But after watching this election cycle, I'm leaning towards no longer
> supporting the fairness doctrine.
> The simple fact is that most of the newspapers were totally in the tank for
> Obama/Biden. 

Exactly.
Even so-called conservative papers like the Herald, which dug up dirt on
Romney (and Weld, Swift, etc. before him) and McCain, and they
endorsed both Obama and Kerry, thus leading me to joke that "Boston
has two papers, the liberal Globe and the liberal Herald". :)

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Thu Nov  6 04:43:44 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:43:44 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <20081106083441.22AC783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106083441.22AC783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4912BC50.7010608@gabrielmass.com>

I'm surprised at the suggestion that "no one ever complained that they 
were being stifled" under the Fairness Doctrine.

Back then, TV editorials actually had some influence, and it used to 
bother me that a station would air exactly one response to a given 
editorial.

While I, a young person in those Pleistocene days, did not actually 
complain, I did think that the system stifled debate, as if there were 
only two conceivable opinions on the subject deserving to be heard. I 
doubt that's true of any political question.

Furthermore, the response slot sometimes went to a community spokesman 
who merely concurred with and amplified the station's editorial 
position, resulting in no expression of contrary views.

--RC


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Nov  6 04:57:18 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:57:18 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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At 02:37 AM 11/6/2008, Don A wrote:


>The point is....why couldn't a Boston paper find out this 
>information in their own backyard......be it a 'rightie' OR a 'lefty'?

Perhaps because it didn't seem to many like "news"-- it was kind of 
suspicious that suddenly this story leaked a couple of days before 
the elections, and given that there were bigger issues, I assume many 
newspapers didn't see it as a priority. 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov  6 06:32:18 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:32:18 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
References: <20081105193502.DA679BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<0C5A8A39EC444A41A1322BC8F8A7F5F4@MainXPPro>,
	<18706.11187.501937.329693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<491247A5.19019.ADD8A3@joe.attorneyross.com>
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And the cases of these two Boston commercial TVs aren't the only cases
of the FCC's revoking the license of a commercial broadcasting station
licensed to the Boston market. In either the late 30s or the 40s, the
station that is now WROL lost its license--I believe for unauthorized
transfers of control. I think that, at the time, the station's call
letters may still have been WBSO. WBSO stood for Babson Statistical
Organization, which may have been an antecedent of today's Babson
College. (Or did I read that Babson just recently became Babson
University?) Best I can tell, the station was a 1 kW daytimer licensed
to Boston with transmitter in Wellesley, but the frequency was that
era's equivalent of the current WROL's frequency of 950 kHz. (That is,
WBSO operated on 920 before NARBA reshuffled AM frequency assignments
on March 31, 1941.) After it lost its license, the station remained
dark for an extended period but was resurrected after WHDH (AM) moved
its transmitter from Saugus to Needham, freeing up the old WHDH
transmitter site for use by another station. I don't know whether the
successor to WBSO (at first, its call sign was WORL) was in any way
related to the station that lost its license (except that both
stations operated on 950 and were licensed to Boston). WORL ran 5
kW-D, though it may have run 1 kW for a while after it first signed on
from Saugus.

Somewhat curiously, the WBSO calls were to have been resurrected
not far from Boston, I believe in the 80s, on a station that held a CP
for 650 kHz in Clinton MA, south of Fitchburg. That station was never
built, but its 10 kW directional daytime signal on 650 (at first it
was to be 1 kW-N; later, 2.3 kW-N) would have made it audible at least
in Boston's western suburbs. Anyhow, WORL changed its calls first to
WRYT and later, when it could not get back the WORL calls (which, by
then, had migrated to the Orlando FL market), to WROL. Another curious
coincidence is that today's WORL (Licensed, IIRC, to Altamonte Springs
FL) is on 650 and is owned by Salem Communications, the owner of
today's WROL Boston. Oh, what a tangled...

The above is all from memory. If any of it is incorrect, please set
the record straight! Thanks.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed"
joke


>
> The Channel 5 case involved a decision to set aside the original
> award of the channel assignment to the Herald Traveler.  Because the
> original award was voided, a competitive process did not give
> WHDH-TV
> the benefit of its good record of performance that would normally be
> given to an incumbent licensee.
>
> The Channel 7 case involved revocation of the license because RKO
> general was found guilty of corrupt practices and therefore
> unqualified to hold a license.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From Romy@goodsoundclub.com  Thu Nov  6 00:11:57 2008
From: Romy@goodsoundclub.com (Romy)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:11:57 -0500
Subject: Is it FM reception in Back Bay or something else?
Message-ID: <000001c93fce$32f28fe0$98d7afa0$@com>

Hi, guys, I am new at your forum and this subject might be discussed.  I
looked at your archives briefly and I did not found any. sine you are all
local I would like to ask what is the hell going on with my FM?

I am Boston's  Back Bay resident, Marlborough and Clarendon. I have a big
directional Winegard on a top of my roof and night signal to fry chicken.  I
have a number of top plying FM tuners (I do not do HD), properly aligned and
I know how to use them. I am classical music listener and care only about
WGBH, WHRB and WCRB, I also care are about quality of sound.

So, I get WGBH fine but the WHRB and WCRB I am getting with unpleasant
noise. It is not the noise of front end overload of anything like this. The
WCRB do HD and the noise I get is not the HD's noise as I have very strong
post-detection filtration.  I was trying to filter out and to notch anything
I thought might interfere with WHRB and WCRB but with no effect. It looks
like the noise is sitting on the upper side of sideband. Cutting the
sideband of cause I loose the noise and of loose the separation. The fun
part is the noise is larger and larger each year.

Is it that somebody else experience as well? The WHRB is becoming totally
ruined from my location.

Rgs, Romy the Cat

 


From radiotony@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 09:50:16 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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Message-ID: <001001c9401e$fb48ab50$f1da01f0$@net>

As I have written previously in other forums, the half-aunt thing goes to
the heart of the Biblical principle of being your brother's keeper.
Over and over again, Obama espoused this principle on the campaign trail,
lecturing all of us on what he thought we should do. 
But instead of opening up his checkbook to help his half-aunt, the same aunt
he wrote about so eloquently in his book, his campaign attacks the press ...
for doing their job. You can't lecture all of us on Biblical principle and
let your half-brother live in squalor in a shack 
or allow your half-aunt to live illegally in the country in a housing
project on the taxpayer's dime ... 
The fact that not one single newspaper that was supportive of Obama
editorialized about this is disturbing. 
The fact that it received limited attention in the media compared to Sarah
Palin's hair styling and wardrobe expenses is sad.
Anyone who turned into talk radio, was educated about the issue and the
hypocrisy. But would they have been if 
there was government enforced balance of the likes that I have always
traditionally supported? I don't know.

I admit that I never liked Obama or McCain. I'm not looking at this from a
political standpoint.
The point is the balance about coverage. The newspapers and TV stations
seemed overwhelmingly one-sided. It was shocking. 
I could go on and on about all of Biden's crap which never seemed to make it
into the three daily newspapers that I read.
Conservative talk radio provided some much needed balance to all the
fawning. 
Maybe others don't see it. No problem. But it sure looked obvious to me. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:57 AM
To: Don A; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Fairness Doctrine

At 02:37 AM 11/6/2008, Don A wrote:


>The point is....why couldn't a Boston paper find out this 
>information in their own backyard......be it a 'rightie' OR a 'lefty'?

Perhaps because it didn't seem to many like "news"-- it was kind of 
suspicious that suddenly this story leaked a couple of days before 
the elections, and given that there were bigger issues, I assume many 
newspapers didn't see it as a priority. 


From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov  6 10:52:18 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:52:18 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <001001c9401e$fb48ab50$f1da01f0$@net>
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>>Anyone who turned into talk radio, was educated about the issue and the
Hypocrisy<<

"Talk radio" and "educated" in the same sentence?  I'd love some of what you're smoking.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 11:22:10 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:22:10 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
Message-ID: <20081106162210.9D09249B707@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Haul out the holly, as the song from the musical "Mame" says. For we need a little Christmas, right this very
minute. WROR apparently played the first Yule song just before 6 am today and WODS quickly followed suit.
Some will take both stations off their presets. Many won't. 

Makes money for 'em. Count me among the many who will eagerly be listening to...WBOQ. And Mike 93.7. And
Country 102.5



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 11:29:02 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:29:02 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
References: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net><0K9V000K9XLK9F00@asmtp022.mac.com><20081106004128.70180205829@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><001FDDFC229543E3A692A0E823619BD6@MainXPPro><20081106065041.5E2911CFD70@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><6DA6464166864B5EB28163165312B615@MainXPPro>
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>>The point is....why couldn't a Boston paper find out this 
>>information in their own backyard......be it a 'rightie' OR a 'lefty'?
> 
> Perhaps because it didn't seem to many like "news"-- it was kind of 
> suspicious that suddenly this story leaked a couple of days before 
> the elections...

No, but Sara Palin's wardrobe is certainly news isn't it?

BTW...it wasn't "leaked"...it was reported.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Nov  6 12:09:11 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:09:11 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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	.net-295634460-@bxe164.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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At 09:22 AM 11/6/2008, brian_vita@cssinc.com wrote:
>The point is, professor is that the media was largely in the tank 
>for Obama and that it took an outsider to point out the elephant in 
>the living room.
>
>What happened to the stories Tuesday about Black Panthers with billy 
>clubs turning away white voters in Philadelphia? How about the 
>rampant voter fraud courtesy of ACORN?

How about you go to factcheck.org, a very reliable organization run 
by a moderate rightie, and you can see for yourself (if you wanna 
see) that there was no "voter fraud"-- this is a common rightie 
talking point, and the factcheck.org people do a very thorough 
analysis of the issue.  As for the Fox story (where else) about 
alleged Black Panthers, I'll raise you one-- how about the precincts 
where Democratic minority voters were sent letters saying that if 
they voted, they'd be arrested?       


From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov  6 12:09:55 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:09:55 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <32F3BA7046EA4C5FBFF714AB18AF7C15@MainXPPro>
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>>but Sara Palin's wardrobe is certainly news isn't it?<<

Considering the number of people who contributed to the Republican campaign, it stands to reason that they might want to know what was done with that money (and in case you didn't already know this, the story was not her wardrobe, but how it was paid for; I seriously doubt the campaign's funds were used to buy suits for McCain).


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:11:00 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:11:00 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Message-ID: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

Someone on Free Republic said they turned off Glenn Beck today after Beck urged everyone to recognize Obama
as the new President, and one caller who objected was called anti-American by Beck. The poster said they won't listen to Beck again, and he said Beck's behavior probably stems from fear the Fairness Doctrine could return.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2127100/posts

Another "conservative" talk host suffered some backlash for endorsing Obama, Philadelphia's Michael Smerconish
(WPHT). Shortly after the endorsement, CBS announced that their new D.C.-based talk station would be carrying
Smerconish too. Some feel that the Obama endorsement was part of a quid pro quo so he would get on more stations
but who knows if the F.D. may be involved too.




From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov  6 13:19:05 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:19:05 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18707.13593.852438.854339@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:11:00 -0500, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com> said:

> Someone on Free Republic said they turned off Glenn Beck today after
> Beck urged everyone to recognize Obama as the new President, and one
> caller who objected was called anti-American by Beck. The poster
> said they won't listen to Beck again, and he said Beck's behavior
> probably stems from fear the Fairness Doctrine could return.

Utterly ridiculous.  The vast cadre of right-wing conspiracy theorists
are already at it.  (No surprise there....)

> Another "conservative" talk host suffered some backlash for
> endorsing Obama, Philadelphia's Michael Smerconish (WPHT). Shortly
> after the endorsement, CBS announced that their new D.C.-based talk
> station would be carrying Smerconish too. Some feel that the Obama
> endorsement was part of a quid pro quo so he would get on more
> stations but who knows if the F.D. may be involved too.

I do.  There's only one thing Sumner Redstone cares about, and it's
profit.

-GAWollman


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Thu Nov  6 13:36:12 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:36:12 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4913391C.3000209@gabrielmass.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> Someone on Free Republic said they turned off Glenn Beck today after Beck urged everyone to recognize Obama
> as the new President, and one caller who objected was called anti-American by Beck. The poster said they won't listen to Beck again, and he said Beck's behavior probably stems from fear the Fairness Doctrine could return.
> 

Anti-American?  That's overkill.

But I doubt that "Fairness Doctrine" talk is behind Beck's "OK, let's 
see" approach.  That's probably not motivated by anything other than his 
easygoing personality, and the desire to present a show that's pleasant 
for viewers.

He's certainly not alone on the right in taking a "let's see" approach. 
    Already on election night, writers at National Review were urging 
readers not to go into the sort of hard-line, relentless campaigning 
that some anti-Bush people engaged in.

On the other hand, some "Impeach Obama" groups have already appeared on 
Facebook!  :-)

--RC


From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov  6 13:38:53 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:38:53 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106181100.646CACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C02265FF6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Someone on Free Republic said they turned off Glenn Beck today after Beck urged everyone to recognize Obama
as the new President, and one caller who objected was called anti-American by Beck. The poster said they won't listen to Beck again, and he said Beck's behavior probably stems from fear the Fairness Doctrine could return.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2127100/posts<<

The "return" of the FD (which Obama and most of the Democratic leadership in Congress are on record as opposing) has been an article of faith in right-wing talk radio for several years.  It's just another non-issue which Rush et al. are trying to make into one.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From wayne@vacationdreams.org  Thu Nov  6 13:39:42 2008
From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:39:42 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Message-ID: <491339ee.2b2.196b.1443289895@vacationdreams.org>

Like it or not, Obama is our president for the the 4
years... makes sense that Beck would want a relenting on the
attacks as we see exactly what the American people have
gotten themselves into... I didn't support him, but this guy
could prove to be a great president, and definitely will be
great fodder for the talk radio formats...


----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Richard Chonak <rac@gabrielmass.com>
To: BostonRadio Mailing List
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:36:12 -0500

>Bob Nelson wrote:
>> Someone on Free Republic said they turned off Glenn Beck
>> today after Beck urged everyone to recognize Obama as the
>new President, and one caller who objected was called
>anti-American by Beck. The poster said they won't listen to
>Beck again, and he said Beck's behavior probably stems from
>> fear the Fairness Doctrine could return. 
>
>Anti-American?  That's overkill.
>
>But I doubt that "Fairness Doctrine" talk is behind Beck's
>"OK, let's  see" approach.  That's probably not motivated
>by anything other than his  easygoing personality, and the
>desire to present a show that's pleasant  for viewers.
>
>He's certainly not alone on the right in taking a "let's
>see" approach. 
>    Already on election night, writers at National Review
>were urging  readers not to go into the sort of hard-line,
>relentless campaigning  that some anti-Bush people engaged
>in.
>
>On the other hand, some "Impeach Obama" groups have already
>appeared on  Facebook!  :-)
>
>--RC
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:46:55 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:46:55 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Message-ID: <20081106184655.BECFA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Utterly ridiculous.  The vast cadre of right-wing conspiracy theorists
are already at it.  (No surprise there....)

Both sides are at it, with the Left salivating at the possible return of
the Fairness Doctrine (want Rush? You'd have to pay for it via
satellite radio). Conspiracy theorists exist on both sides.

>>I do.  There's only one thing Sumner Redstone cares about, and it's
profit.

As do CBS and Greater Media with the switch of WODS and WROR to
all Christmas earlier today. I think of the end of "Green
Chri$tma$" in which "Jingle Bells" merges with the sound of
cash registers ringing and coins jingling. Some conservative talk
radio listeners are already "done" with Smerconish (and claiming he
wasn't on their side all along anyway).


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:51:12 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:51:12 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Message-ID: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>He's certainly not alone on the right in taking a "let's see" 
approach.    

Depending on whom one listens to, it's either "OK, give him a chance
but we'll take him on when we think he's done wrong" or "let's
fight against him from Day One". 

Here's a quote from someone attacking those who felt that
dissent meant one isn't patriotic: "...we are
Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with
ANY administration!"

Who said it? The woman Obama defeated for the Dem. nomination.

We'll see how long the honeymoon lasts, but I jokingly have said
that I'm sure the right will treat our new President with the
same respect, admiration, and class as the left did with
our outgoing President... :)

From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov  6 13:58:41 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:58:41 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18707.15969.719998.28525@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:51:12 -0500, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com> said:

> We'll see how long the honeymoon lasts, but I jokingly have said
> that I'm sure the right will treat our new President with the
> same respect, admiration, and class as the left did with
> our outgoing President... :)

I'd like to think that any newly-elected president is worthy of
respect until he (or she) proves otherwise.  But if your talk show
thrives on political controversy, that's a tough row to hoe.  I hope
that Obama, with his con-law background, is going to be a strong
defender of the First Amendment, even when Hannity and O'Reilly are
going at it full blast, but we really have no evidence on which to
judge -- and won't for quite some time.  So it seems appropriate for
more issue-driven talk hosts to want to take a step back and see what
the new administration actually does rather than just attacking the
winners because they were on the "wrong" side.  I'm sure there will be
plenty for them to disagree with once Obama actually has the levers of
power in his hands on January 20th.

-GAWollman


From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  6 14:05:38 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:05:38 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <49134002.5000101@fybush.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:

> We'll see how long the honeymoon lasts, but I jokingly have said
> that I'm sure the right will treat our new President with the
> same respect, admiration, and class as the left did with
> our outgoing President... :)

Can anyone imagine a kiddie show host in today's supercharged political 
environment doing a daily "salute to the President" with a glass of 
milk, a la Bob Emery?

That said -

There's certainly some chatter about a return of the Fairness Doctrine 
on the lefty blogs I visit, but it's certainly not a high-profile cause 
of most of the liberals I know, at least not to the extent that the 
righty talk hosts seem to be imagining it to be.

I'm sure there will be some talk of it in the new Congress, but Obama 
has said it's not something he's interested in pursuing, and there are 
significant Constitutional challenges that could be mounted against 
re-enforcement of the Doctrine.

For what it's worth, incidentally, I'm strongly opposed to the return of 
the Fairness Doctrine or anything like it. The last thing broadcasting 
needs now is any further government regulation of content. The FCC does 
a lousy job already enforcing the few content rules it has (as witness 
the never-ending court battles over the indecency fines) - the last 
thing I want is my government wasting my money litigating over something 
Glenn Beck or Michael Savage said to a few tens or hundreds of thousands 
of willing listeners last night.

s




From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov  6 15:10:08 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:08 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:51 PM
> To: Richard Chonak; BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
> 
> >>He's certainly not alone on the right in taking a "let's see" 
> approach.    
> 
> Depending on whom one listens to, it's either "OK, give him a 
> chance but we'll take him on when we think he's done wrong" 
> or "let's fight against him from Day One". 
> 
> Here's a quote from someone attacking those who felt that 
> dissent meant one isn't patriotic: "...we are Americans and 
> we have a right to debate and disagree with ANY administration!"
> 

Absolutely!  But, the problem is where does "debate and disagree" end and
"unfair attack" begin?  That's a point I'm sure we (and various radio & TV
hosts) could debate forever. 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov  6 15:20:24 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:20:24 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <49134002.5000101@fybush.com>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<49134002.5000101@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c9404d$1a51d5c0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Scott Fybush
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:06 PM
> To: Bob Nelson
> Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
> that could be mounted against re-enforcement of the Doctrine.
 
> For what it's worth, incidentally, I'm strongly opposed to 
> the return of the Fairness Doctrine or anything like it. The 
> last thing broadcasting needs now is any further government 
> regulation of content. The FCC does a lousy job already 
> enforcing the few content rules it has (as witness the 
> never-ending court battles over the indecency fines) - the 
> last thing I want is my government wasting my money 
> litigating over something Glenn Beck or Michael Savage said 
> to a few tens or hundreds of thousands of willing listeners 
> last night.
> 

Interesting that you mentioned Beck and Savage but not Keith Olberman or
Rachel Maddow.  I would not want them regulated either.  But I hope there
can be a means, without excessive regulation, to be sure all sides can be
heard.  And it would be nice if things could be mixed up a bit more so that
each side gets heard by people outside of their respective broadcast
ghettos.  And not to be mis-interperted, I am not calling for the government
to intervene, perhaps just hoping for radio and TV utopia.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 
  


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov  6 15:26:04 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:26:04 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
Message-ID: <18707.21212.49295.448584@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:08 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> Absolutely!  But, the problem is where does "debate and disagree" end and
> "unfair attack" begin?  That's a point I'm sure we (and various radio & TV
> hosts) could debate forever. 

Well, the usual recourse for "unfair attack" is the courts.  Or
country has intentionally made it extremely difficult for a public
figure such as a politician to prevail in a defamation case.

BTW, Larry, can you explain what the deal was with your station taking
the (rather small-market-style) national "local" breaks during the
10:00 hour?  Was it just that Randy and Whoever were doing a regular
newscast for 56 during that hour?  Seems like they could have found
another way.  (For the sake of balance I'll note that 4 didn't go
local in the 11:00 hour like 5 and 7 did.  Did they even do a local
cast at all Tuesday night?)

-GAWollman


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov  6 15:34:02 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:34:02 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
Message-ID: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>There's certainly some chatter about a return of the Fairness 
Doctrine on the lefty blogs I visit, but it's certainly not a 
high-profile cause of most of the liberals I know, at least not to 
the extent that the righty talk hosts seem to be imagining it to be.

On the conservative Radio Equalizer blog, Brian Maloney says that Henry Rivera,
"a longtime radical leftist, lawyer and former FCC commissioner, is expected to lead the push to dismantle commercial talk radio that is favored by a number of Democratic Party senators". Maloney says that Rivera's exit from the FCC helped in repealing
the Doctrine, thus leading to talk radio as we know it today, and he says that in June of 2009, Pres. Obama could
appoint a pro-Fairness Doctrine commissioner in place of a Republican currently in there.

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com

Agreed with your opinion on Fairness Doctrine.

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  6 15:39:25 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:39:25 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <491355FD.2070608@fybush.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:
>>> There's certainly some chatter about a return of the Fairness
> Doctrine on the lefty blogs I visit, but it's certainly not a 
> high-profile cause of most of the liberals I know, at least not to 
> the extent that the righty talk hosts seem to be imagining it to be.
> 
> On the conservative Radio Equalizer blog, Brian Maloney says that
> Henry Rivera, "a longtime radical leftist, lawyer and former FCC
> commissioner, is expected to lead the push to dismantle commercial
> talk radio that is favored by a number of Democratic Party senators".
> Maloney says that Rivera's exit from the FCC helped in repealing the
> Doctrine, thus leading to talk radio as we know it today, and he says
> that in June of 2009, Pres. Obama could appoint a pro-Fairness
> Doctrine commissioner in place of a Republican currently in there.
> 
> http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com
> 
> Agreed with your opinion on Fairness Doctrine.
> 

Maloney is certainly the first place I turn for accurate, unbiased
information about what's happening on the DC regulatory scene.

Snark aside, I doubt a commissioner who last served in 1985 will have 
much pull with today's FCC on his own. And "radical leftist" Rivera 
seems to have no problem working for one of corporate DC's biggest law 
firms:

http://www.wileyrein.com/directory.cfm?attorney_ID=1083

Will there be talk of reinstating the FD? Yes, of course...but you'll 
forgive me, I hope, if I wait for someone other than Maloney and the 
posters at Radio-Info to start taking it seriously before I do the same. 
I don't blame Brian for pushing the story - it's red meat for his 
audience, after all - but I think it's more hot air and smoke than 
anything else at this point.

s

From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 15:55:35 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:55:35 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
In-Reply-To: <002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
Message-ID: <E268E9AB9DA14030A3BC64650AE3FDEE@fs.uml.edu>

Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams, Steve
Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their programs just
fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in force? It seems to me that
Jerry in particular was just as boisterous, opinionated, and entertaining
during the Viet Nam war and Watergate as is Rush Limbaugh now. 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov  6 16:20:16 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Scott Fybush
> Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
> 
> On the conservative Radio Equalizer blog, Brian Maloney says 
> that Henry Rivera, "a longtime radical leftist, lawyer and 
> former FCC commissioner, is expected to lead the push to 
> dismantle commercial talk radio that is favored by a number 
> of Democratic Party senators". Maloney says that Rivera's 
> exit from the FCC helped in repealing the Doctrine, thus 
> leading to talk radio as we know it today, and he says that 
> in June of 2009, Pres. Obama could appoint a pro-Fairness 
> Doctrine commissioner in place of a Republican currently in there.
> 

You saw it on a blog, it must be true! :-)

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 
 


From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov  6 16:20:53 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:20:53 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
In-Reply-To: <E268E9AB9DA14030A3BC64650AE3FDEE@fs.uml.edu>
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
	<E268E9AB9DA14030A3BC64650AE3FDEE@fs.uml.edu>
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>>Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams, Steve
Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their programs just
fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in force? It seems to me that
Jerry in particular was just as boisterous, opinionated, and entertaining
during the Viet Nam war and Watergate as is Rush Limbaugh now.<<

1) Yes, he did just fine, but he was running a telephone-talk show, not a monologue, and he did talk to people on the air who had differing viewpoints.

2) Rush isn't entertaining, and hasn't been for a long time.  He's gotten too full of himself.  He used to be a lot funnier and satirical.  Now he's just strident.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040





From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 16:30:37 2008
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:30:37 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <003d01c94055$774331e0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
References: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003d01c94055$774331e0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
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Well I'm not saying it's true or not, but who knows, it could be!
Anything on the Net
might need to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just saying that
there probably are
people out there who are trying earnestly to bring back the FD and whether they
succeed or not, we'll find out.

>> On the conservative Radio Equalizer blog

> You saw it on a blog, it must be true! :-)

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Thu Nov  6 16:48:26 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:48:26 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0811061330q33b46dc6ja42706f6faca6212@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081106203402.E2D2249B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>	<003d01c94055$774331e0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
	<1fbbbced0811061330q33b46dc6ja42706f6faca6212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4913662A.3020405@gabrielmass.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> Well I'm not saying it's true or not, but who knows, it could be!
> Anything on the Net
> might need to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just saying that
> there probably are
> people out there who are trying earnestly to bring back the FD and whether they
> succeed or not, we'll find out.
> 
>>> On the conservative Radio Equalizer blog
> 
>> You saw it on a blog, it must be true! :-)
> 



This leads to a larger point: some people love to talk about outrageous 
things that could happen in theory.  The various interview shows on news 
channels often pose speculative questions to their guests, questions 
that urge them to talk about possible future events based on zero 
evidence whatsoever.

---

"So, Judge, is it possible for Barack Obama to add an apostrophe to his 
name, after the O, to appeal for the Irish vote?"

--"Well, I guess he could if he wanted to.  There's nothing stopping a 
person from changing the spelling of his name, as long as-- "

"You heard it here, folks.  We may have two candidates with Hibernian 
names on the ballot in the near future.   Thank you for coming on the 
show, Judge."

---

--RC




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 16:04:37 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:04:37 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
References: <20081106185112.839D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><002a01c9404b$b354e520$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
	<E268E9AB9DA14030A3BC64650AE3FDEE@fs.uml.edu>
Message-ID: <B3503FA927DE42F2A06CBCD50292FC8E@MainXPPro>




> Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams, Steve
> Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their programs just
> fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in force? It seems to me 
> that
> Jerry in particular was just as boisterous, opinionated, and entertaining
> during the Viet Nam war and Watergate as is Rush Limbaugh now.

No you are correct.   They did just fine operating with the FD in effect.

It's become a talking-point now that this will "stifle free speech".  And 
people are parroting the line.

It also appears to me that the years of deregulation have brought some in 
the business to believe that the company owns the airwaves....not the 
public. 


From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  6 17:03:31 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:03:31 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0811061330q33b46dc6ja42706f6faca6212@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1fbbbced0811061330q33b46dc6ja42706f6faca6212@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob Nelson wrote:
> Well I'm not saying it's true or not, but who knows, it could be!
> Anything on the Net
> might need to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just saying that
> there probably are
> people out there who are trying earnestly to bring back the FD and whether they
> succeed or not, we'll find out.

C'mon, Bob...it's not as though Maloney's blog is just "anything on the 
net" that you happened across by chance.

Brian does what he does with a very definite point of view, and with a 
very well-defined audience - in his case, the conservative talk radio 
PDs he hopes will hire him someday.

And all of us who engage in blogging or blog-related activities (I 
include myself in this category) know that we're judged, in the end, by 
our track records.

Maloney has a history, and a well-documented one, of taking certain 
liberties with the facts and of spinning events through his own 
political and personal filters. (e.g. his long-running grudge against 
his former employers at WRKO/Entercom.)

"Might need to be taken with a grain of salt"? I keep the entire shaker 
(and a big cardboard carton to refill it) handy whenever I read The 
Radio Equalizer, myself. Which is not to say that he doesn't break a 
good story from time to time, or that he doesn't get things right - just 
that it's more than a bit disingenuous to cite him as anything even 
remotely approaching an unbiased, neutral observer on a story as 
politically charged as this one.

s

s

From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 17:07:57 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:07:57 -0500
Subject: More on Fairness Doctrine (was: Herald: Obama victory benefits right
	wing radio)
In-Reply-To: <20081106080525.7DA7483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081106080525.7DA7483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Bob Nelson wrote:
> and mentioned that the same people who want it to NOT be brought back are the same people who want
> pornography to be prohibited/regulated.)
I see that link-attempt all over the ether -- the seeming paradox that 
the same cohort which favors pornography/sexual content runs opposition 
to the Fairness Doctrine. 

IMHO, the differences between these two are more than subtle -- content 
that may not be suitable for children is something that most reasonable 
people would agree upon.  Opinion distinctives are the stuff of much 
analysis and discussion and are far more subjective. 

Limbaugh is often cited as the benchmark for conservative viewpoint, but 
what happens if a station hires or bird-feeds a talker who, while 
ideologically linked to one end of the spectrum takes a walk on the wild 
side to the other end of the opinion spectrum from time-to-time? Does 
that run afoul of the very Fairness Doctrine that got them the gig to 
begin with? 

The whole thing is nonsense. I don't want to get a gig only to have some 
pointy-head scope me out only to gavel-down on my viewpoint and 
designate me such that it has a direct impact on the business of my 
employer.  That's Orwellian to the core and if you don't agree, then 
you'd better opine while you still can.

Bill O'Neill

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 12:35:25 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:35:25 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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>>but Sara Palin's wardrobe is certainly news isn't it?<<

>> Considering the number of people who contributed to the Republican 
>> campaign,
>> it stands to reason that they might want to know what was done with that 
>> money
>> (and in case you didn't already know this, the story was not her 
>> wardrobe, but how it was paid for..

This was paid for by people who willingly gave money to the campain to get 
McCain elected.  A wardrobe for Palin is part of that task.

I have yet to see a campain contributor that was complaining about the 
wardrobe budget.

Only lefties, who didn't give any money and would never vote for them 
anyway.  Just looking for another thing to be "appalled" by.


Now, don't you think it's a ligitimate news story for people to know that 
Sen. Obama's aunt (who is in his book), lives in their own backyard, lives 
in subsidized housing, and is an illegal immigrant?  Not to mention the fact 
that Obama "didn't know"?

If nothing else, it's a human interest story.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov  6 17:12:24 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:12:24 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; <ssmyth@psualum.com>; 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke


> First amendment covers a lot of ground but deliberately giving out
> false information isn't covered.

When it comes to politics it does.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 15:41:30 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:41:30 -0600
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
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Garrett

WNBC and WMAQ also stayed with the network at 11 PM and the Chicago
Sun Times explains they wanted to show world reaction to Obama
winning.

Obviously WMAQ had a HUGE local story brewing yet did not go local
until 10:30 central time.

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  6 17:17:31 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:17:31 -0500
Subject: More on Fairness Doctrine
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Bill O'Neill wrote:

> Bob Nelson wrote:
>> and mentioned that the same people who want it to NOT be brought back 
>> are the same people who want
>> pornography to be prohibited/regulated.)

> I see that link-attempt all over the ether -- the seeming paradox that 
> the same cohort which favors pornography/sexual content runs opposition 
> to the Fairness Doctrine.

And for what it's worth, I'm not even sure that link has any validity to it.

I'm a First Amendment near-absolutist. I don't want my government 
telling me what opinions I can listen to or watch (or broadcast, if I 
were a station owner) - AND I don't want my government telling me what 
material of a "sexual or excretory nature" I can listen to or watch (or 
broadcast, if I were a station owner.)

I concur with Bill that there's the issue, in the case of sexual 
content, of material that's unsuitable for children - but I say, as the 
parent of two small children, that the job of keeping that material away 
from them is MINE, not the government's.

s

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov  6 16:17:55 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:17:55 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrett Wollman [mailto:wollman@bimajority.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: Larry Weil
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
> Subject: RE: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
> 
> BTW, Larry, can you explain what the deal was with your 
> station taking the (rather small-market-style) national 
> "local" breaks during the 10:00 hour?  Was it just that Randy 
> and Whoever were doing a regular newscast for 56 during that 
> hour?  Seems like they could have found another way.  (For 
> the sake of balance I'll note that 4 didn't go local in the 
> 11:00 hour like 5 and 7 did.  Did they even do a local cast 
> at all Tuesday night?)

You got it right on that one.  Not only were Randy and Francis on 56 at that
time, but so was the studio control room.  Even if we could have had someone
else do a cut-in on the other side of the newsroom, there would have been no
way to get a decent cut-in on the air.  Yea, we can call up a single camera
in Master, but that's about it.

Larry Weil
WHDH/WLVI Master Control


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 13:29:31 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:29:31 -0600
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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True

But I think the 1927 act showed the intent of government.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

>  <<On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> said:
>
> > The Radio Act of 1927 quite clearly stated that the people or
> > government did not own the frequencies but the government had the
> > right to regulate.
>
> Of course, we operate under the regime of the Communications Act of
> 1932, not the Radio Act of 1927.
>
> -GAWollman
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  6 17:52:40 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:52:40 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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Don A wrote:

>>> Considering the number of people who contributed to the
>>> Republican campaign, it stands to reason that they might want to
>>> know what was done with that money (and in case you didn't
>>> already know this, the story was not her wardrobe, but how it was
>>> paid for..
> 
> This was paid for by people who willingly gave money to the campain
> to get McCain elected.  A wardrobe for Palin is part of that task.
> 
> I have yet to see a campain contributor that was complaining about
> the wardrobe budget.
> 
> Only lefties, who didn't give any money and would never vote for them
>  anyway.  Just looking for another thing to be "appalled" by.

Don, I'd like you to meet Saul Anuzis, the Republican Party chairman for
the state of Michigan. I don't think I'd call him a "lefty," but I think
I would call him appalled:

> One top party fundraiser told NEWSWEEK that, ever since the story
> broke on Politico.com, he was bombarded with calls from Republican
> donors who were "furious" that their contributions were used for such
> purposes. "This has damaged everybody's credibility," griped the
> fundraiser (who asked not to be identified talking about party
> business). Among those upset was Saul Anuzis, the Michigan Republican
> Party chairman, still smarting over McCain's decision to pull out of
> his state. "I have no idea how you spend $150,000 on clothes," he
> says. Lobbyist Andrea McWilliams, a GOP fundraiser in Texas, said the
> flap undercut the party's message. Palin's "transformation from low
> couture to haute couture isn't the kind of change that voters had in
> mind," she said.

(source: http://www.newsweek.com/id/165666)

And I'd note that there's a campaign-finance law that explicitly bars 
the use of campaign contributions to buy clothing for the candidate. The 
law? A little something called "McCain-Feingold." I know Feingold is a 
Wisconsin senator. Who's that "McCain" guy, again?

This may explain why the story got so much play.

Also, you betcha, I don't think you can ignore the fact that Palin was 
picked - and heavily promoted by the McCain campaign itself - with the 
explicit intention to make big headlines. It was certainly no 
coincidence that her selection was announced just hours after the 
Democratic convention had ended, and I didn't see any complaints from 
the right about the fawning coverage she received in the wake of her 
"coming-out" speech in St. Paul. I don't think anyone can dispute that 
that was the signature moment of the convention, just as the McCain camp 
had intended.

But I'd also contend that the McCain camp had no reason not to expect 
the media treatment it received afterward. It's traditional, in our 
media-driven campaigns, for the candidates - ESPECIALLY lesser-known 
ones like a Sarah Palin - to quickly be made available for interviews.

That, as we know, didn't happen, and that was effectively a red cloth 
being waved in front of the media to charge forward and ask, "why not?"

We're learning today (from none other than Fox News' Carl Cameron, no 
"lefty," he) that journalists were right to pick up on the questions 
surrounding the Palin pick as being possible evidence of disharmony and 
disorganization inside the McCain campaign.

If you accept that the choice of a vice-presidential candidate is one of 
the first significant clues the voting public receives about the 
decision-making skills and leadership ability of the presidential 
candidate, then there's no question - at least in my journalistic 
judgment - that the media were right to pursue the Palin story with the 
vigor with which they did.

> Now, don't you think it's a ligitimate news story for people to know
>  that Sen. Obama's aunt (who is in his book), lives in their own 
> backyard, lives in subsidized housing, and is an illegal immigrant?
> Not to mention the fact that Obama "didn't know"?
> 
> If nothing else, it's a human interest story.

Let me ask you a couple of questions (just as I would if a story like 
this came up in a morning news meeting) -

What, if anything, does this story tell us about Barack Obama himself 
and his qualifications to serve as president?

And if it's a legitimate news story to know that a distant relative 
(whom Obama says he hadn't even talked to in several years) had 
overstayed a visa and is living in Boston, is it then also a legitimate 
news story to report on family members of Republican candidates?

For what it's worth, my assessment of the situation doesn't diverge far 
from Don's - "it's a human interest story." (with a footnote, below)

But I'd put it about on a par with another story that broke around the 
same time - those profanity-laced 911 calls that John McCain's brother, 
Joe, made to complain about heavy traffic on the DC beltway.

That story got about the same amount of inside-the-paper play that the 
Obama aunt story did, and I'd say that's about right.

And I'm happy to live in a world where those who really, really wanted 
to see the Joe McCain story get heavier play could go to sources like 
Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and the Huffington Post to learn more, while 
those wanting to know more about Obama's aunt have NewsMax and Free 
Republic and most of talk radio.

I'd not want to see either side of that spectrum silenced by government 
action...and I suspect we're running rather far afield of the mission of 
this particular private forum, whose proprietor has every right to 
redirect it back on track as he sees fit!

s

(The footnote to the Obama-aunt story: I agree with Donna and others who 
have pointed out that it's more than a little interesting to question 
why the supposedly confidential information about her immigration status 
suddenly broke into the news just a few days before the election. That, 
to my mind, is a more interesting story than John McCain's phone calls, 
Bristol Palin's pregnancy, or the Obama aunt herself.)

From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 18:02:44 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:02:44 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
References: <20081106162210.9D09249B707@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c94063$c7f12760$0202a8c0@Mark>

Bob Nelson wrote:

> WROR apparently played the first Yule song just before 6 >am today and 
> WODS quickly followed suit.
>Some will take both stations off their presets. Many won't.
>Makes money for 'em. Count me among the many who will >eagerly be listening 
>to...WBOQ. And Mike 93.7. And
>Country 102.5

   IIRC last year they both dragged out the Christmas tunes on Veteran's 
Day. Christmas is 7 weeks from today. Since I'm not in the holiday mood just 
yet, I'll spend more time listening to WBOQ, Mike 93.7, Country 102.5, WCAP, 
and through the magic of streaming on line,WLNG and WIRY, and my own mix of 
oldies, both "safe" and "unsafe" on my laptop at home. I'll start enjoying 
the Yule tunes a bit closer to December 25th.

Mark Watson





From m_carney@yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 18:16:54 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:16:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
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Santa is already at the Burlington Mall (and probably others in the area) - so I guess the stations want to rush the season as well. It wasn't that long ago when stations would run "12 Days of Christmas" promotions and limit the music to that more approriate period. I guess I'm also in the Mike 93.7/Country 102.5 group for the rest of the year.




________________________________
From: Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net>
To: Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com>; BostonRadio Mailing List <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 6:02:44 PM
Subject: Re: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on

Bob Nelson wrote:

> WROR apparently played the first Yule song just before 6 >am today and WODS quickly followed suit.
> Some will take both stations off their presets. Many won't.
> Makes money for 'em. Count me among the many who will >eagerly be listening to...WBOQ. And Mike 93.7. And
> Country 102.5

? IIRC last year they both dragged out the Christmas tunes on Veteran's Day. Christmas is 7 weeks from today. Since I'm not in the holiday mood just yet, I'll spend more time listening to WBOQ, Mike 93.7, Country 102.5, WCAP, and through the magic of streaming on line,WLNG and WIRY, and my own mix of oldies, both "safe" and "unsafe" on my laptop at home. I'll start enjoying the Yule tunes a bit closer to December 25th.

Mark Watson


      

From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 18:23:58 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:23:58 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
References: <20081106184655.BECFA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <007801c94066$bf102d00$0202a8c0@Mark>

Bob Nelson wrote:

>As do CBS and Greater Media with the switch of WODS >and WROR to
>all Christmas earlier today. I think of the end of "Green
>Chri$tma$" in which "Jingle Bells" merges with the sound of
>cash registers ringing and coins jingling.

   Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you don't hear 
on the radio. Last time I heard it on the radio was close to 20 years ago, 
when J.C. (Jim Camilli) played it on his oldies show on WLLH during the 
holiday season. J.C. did his last show on LLH back in 1990. Stan Freberg was 
ahead of his time with this one. I believe it was recorded in the mid or 
late 1950's.

Mark Watson 



From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Nov  6 18:29:56 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:29:56 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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At 03:55 PM 11/6/2008, Jim Hall wrote:
>Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams, Steve
>Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their programs just
>fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in force?

That's exactly my point.  It's a myth-- usually put forth by my 
friends on the right-- that all freedom of opinion was stifled under 
the Fairness Doctrine.  Quite the opposite is true, as my 
soon-to-be-released book will point out.  The 1960s was the first 
major era of opinionated talk shows, and those talkers came from both 
the right and the left-- righties had plenty of big stars-- it was 
the era of Joe Pyne ("Go gargle with razor blades!") and other 
conservative talkers of the Michael Savage ilk, and they all had no 
problem getting huge ratings.  But there were liberal talkers on 
their stations, and they too got huge ratings.  And the public heard 
both sides of all the major issues, and life went on.


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov  6 18:38:27 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:38:27 -0500
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<<On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:52:40 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> I'd not want to see either side of that spectrum silenced by government 
> action...and I suspect we're running rather far afield of the mission of 
> this particular private forum, whose proprietor has every right to 
> redirect it back on track as he sees fit!

And with that, I'd like to ask folks to wind this topic down, so I
don't have a full-fledged flame war to deal with next week while I'm
in California.  (Sorry, "Terry".)

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov  6 18:52:25 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:52:25 -0500
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<<On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:29:56 -0500, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> And the public heard both sides of all the major issues, and life
> went on.

I'd just like to point out, for the sake of the record, that not all
the major issues have exactly two sides to them.  Indeed, I would
argue that there are a lot more issues with odd numbers of sides.  One
of the problems with any attempt to ensure "balance" is that they
rarely recognize that reality isn't usually delivered in dichotomies.
And that's my last word on the topic.

-GAWollman


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 18:55:40 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:55:40 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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Donna Halper wrote:
> That's exactly my point.  It's a myth-- usually put forth by my 
> friends on the right-- that all freedom of opinion was stifled under 
> the Fairness Doctrine.  Quite the opposite is true, as my 
> soon-to-be-released book will point out. 
I can't wait for Donna's book! Talk about a labor of love.  I suppose 
the FD won't be something that Donna & I will agree upon but that's what 
makes the world go 'round. 

While I have no doubt that the Fairness Doctrine met its goal of shaping 
broadcast stations, it is that very premise that I disagree with. The 
notion that terrestrial radio is a public device is way past its prime. 
There was no uproar when licensees were able to move there local studios 
out of town, drop local news and public affairs, drop ascertainment 
reviews (to poll the community), and were granted a free pass to choose 
to plug in a PC and let 'er rip 24/7 with voice tracked music.  Of any 
format.

Cracking the mic and uttering political speech to which 'the people' 
affix some sort of label remains fair game?  I don't think so. Radio is 
a business, listed in the Yellow Pages under 'Advertising' not 'Opinion' 
or 'Speech'.  If liberal talk drives the numbers then liberal talk 
thrives. If it does not, it walks.  So, you can't deliver 
all-conservative but can flip to all-music as an alternative?  Are we 
comfortable with that choice?  I don't think I am being far-fetched.

The notion that licensees should tailor 'speech' to reflect an array 
cultural labels has no musical cousin; at no time do stations who focus 
on rhythmic/chr face the mandate to offer day parts with music with 
differently-crafted messages or viewpoints. Nor should they.

Methinks there is more to come on this topic.

Bill O'Neill

From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:00:01 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:00:01 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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Garrett Wollman wrote:
> I'd just like to point out, for the sake of the record, that not all
> the major issues have exactly two sides to them.  Indeed, I would
> argue that there are a lot more issues with odd numbers of sides.  One
> of the problems with any attempt to ensure "balance" is that they
> rarely recognize that reality isn't usually delivered in dichotomies.
> And that's my last word on the topic.
>   
I'll flame-down with this one -- I was just watching C-Span (I know, 
totally different medium but...) who offers two studio numbers depending 
upon point of view, opinion, party, ideology. They queue them up and 
alternate them. One 'side' may be queued 10 lines back, with vigor, 
while the other may be gasping for one or two. However, both points of 
view get equal play. Is that fairness? I think not.  Enjoy the trip, GW

Bill O'Neill



From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov  6 19:11:26 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:11:26 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas (was:RE: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement)
In-Reply-To: <007801c94066$bf102d00$0202a8c0@Mark>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Mark Watson
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:24 PM
> To: Bob Nelson; Garrett Wollman
> Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
> 
    Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that 
> you don't hear on the radio. Last time I heard it on the 
> radio was close to 20 years ago, when J.C. (Jim Camilli) 
> played it on his oldies show on WLLH during the holiday 
> season. J.C. did his last show on LLH back in 1990. Stan 
> Freberg was ahead of his time with this one. I believe it was 
> recorded in the mid or late 1950's.

In the same vein, Allen Sherman did a song that went "Deck the halls with
advertising" or something to that effect, IIRC.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


 


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Thu Nov  6 19:26:23 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:26:23 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
In-Reply-To: <004301c9406d$606d2b70$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
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Larry Weil wrote:
>> -
> In the same vein, Allen Sherman did a song that went "Deck the halls with
> advertising" or something to that effect, IIRC.
>
>   
Cambridge's own Tom Lehrer held forth with "A Christmas Carol" - one of 
my all-time favorite holiday commentaries, tho seldom, if ever, heard on 
the (public?) airwaves:

Hark The Herald Tribune Sings, Advertising Wondrous Things...
God Rest Ye Merry Merchants, May Ye Make The Yuletide Pay...

With full intent of "fair use," a fragment of his lyrics are reproduced 
here for scholarly purposes, only. 
For the full set (and chords) visit:

http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/achristm.htm





From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 19:29:55 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:29:55 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas (was:RE: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement)
References: <20081106184655.BECFA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><007801c94066$bf102d00$0202a8c0@Mark>
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Larry Weil wrote:

> In the same vein, Allen Sherman did a song that went "Deck the halls with
> advertising" or something to that effect, IIRC.

  That was in Freberg's "Green Chri$tma$". However, Allan Sherman did a Yule 
parody, "The 12 Gifts of Christmas", substituting such things as transistor 
radios, elcctric razors, etc. for the swans a swimming, hummingbirds, turtle 
doves, etc. Another Yule song that rarely gets airplay.

Mark Watson 



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:07 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:07 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 9:50, radiotony wrote:

> As I have written previously in other forums, the half-aunt thing goes
> to the heart of the Biblical principle of being your brother's keeper.
> Over and over again, Obama espoused this principle on the campaign
> trail, lecturing all of us on what he thought we should do. But
> instead of opening up his checkbook to help his half-aunt, the same
> aunt he wrote about so eloquently in his book, his campaign attacks
> the press ... for doing their job. 

Do we have any evidence that he knew about his half-aunt's illegal 
status?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:07 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:07 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
In-Reply-To: <C6AB1CB410984D77B657E1400477A4B3@MainXPPro>
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 1:35, Don A wrote:

> > I thought it was a pretty good impression, but the things he talked
> > about were a bit unfair.
> 
> 
> Because we all know Keith plays it straight down the middle, huh?  ;-)

No, but he doesn't interrupt people on his show and call them names.  
At least not that I've ever seen.  He has unflattering nicknames for 
right-wing talk show hosts, such as "Billo the Clown" and "Commedian 
Rush Limbaugh," but people who come on his show, so far as I have 
seen, are treated with better manners.

I've seen him do long rants that I thought a bit over the top, but 
I've never seen him make things up or rant about his grievances 
involving personal business.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:08 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 12:09, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> Considering the number of people who contributed to the Republican
> campaign, it stands to reason that they might want to know what was
> done with that money (and in case you didn't already know this, the
> story was not her wardrobe, but how it was paid for; I seriously doubt
> the campaign's funds were used to buy suits for McCain).
 
Probably so, but men get to wear the same suits over and over again 
until they wear out or no longer fit.  I hear that women can't do 
that.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:08 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <001FDDFC229543E3A692A0E823619BD6@MainXPPro>
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 1:22, Don A wrote:

> But it took the 'Times of London' to break the story.
 
It took someone to do a lot of digging even to find the story.  I 
wonder who it was and how they found out about it.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:08 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 14:12, brian_vita@cssinc.com wrote:

> Wasn't there some suggestion that the Herald had written an
> unflattering article about Ted Kennedy and that he spearheaded the
> revocation?
 
The proceedings long preceded even Ted Kennedy's election to the 
Senate, if I'm not mistaken.  The Herald Traveler applied for a TV 
license approximately at the same time as WBZ and WNAC.  Actually, 
probably a little later because the channel 5 assignment was 
originally to Worcester.  I'm going from memory, but I believe the 
WHDH application got caught up in the four-year freeze on television 
licenses that ended around 1952.  It may also be that the Democratic-
controlled FCC in the late 1940s didn't want to give the license to 
the Republican-oriented Herald Traveler.  In any event, the Globe 
generally objected to its competitor having an AM and FM radio 
station and a TV station, when it had no broadcast properties in the 
city.  The Globe was, then as now, a liberal-oriented newspaper.

The ostensible reason for the licence being set aside was "ex parte 
contancts" between the Herald Traveler and the FCC while the license 
was pending.  Apparently the publisher of the Herald Traveler had 
lunch or dinner with the chairman of the FCC.  They say the license 
application wasn't discussed, but apparently more general issues such 
as newspapers owning broadcast properties was, if I'm remembering 
this correctly.

It's unclear how much impact political ties had in any of this, but I 
was the one who observed, some years ago, either in this forum or 
during an appearance on LTAR that the award of channel 5 to the 
Herald Traveler was under a Republican administration (Eisenhower) 
and its revocation and the new comparative licencing hearing were 
under Democratic administrations (Kennedy and Johnson).  After that 
it was in the courts, which were somewhat constrained legally in 
their ability to overturn an administrative agency.  In fact, I have 
since realized that the final award of channel 5 to Boston 
Broadcasters probably took place in 1969, early in the Nixon 
Administration, but at a time that the hearings had all been held, 
the groundwork had been laid, and party changes in the FCC may not 
have taken place yet.

Again, this was pure speculation on my part, but it certainly seems 
plausible to me.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:08 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
In-Reply-To: <B3503FA927DE42F2A06CBCD50292FC8E@MainXPPro>
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 16:04, Don A wrote:

> > Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams,
> > Steve Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their
> > programs just fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in
> > force? It seems to me that Jerry in particular was just as
> > boisterous, opinionated, and entertaining during the Viet Nam war
> > and Watergate as is Rush Limbaugh now.
> 
> No you are correct.   They did just fine operating with the FD in
> effect.
 
So how did they do it?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:09 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:09 -0500
Subject: Dennis & Callahan criticized for "election postponed" joke
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811061029x647f989an583847579c799642@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 12:29, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> But I think the 1927 act showed the intent of government.

It showed the intent in 1927, but not in 1936.

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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov  6 22:49:09 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:09 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 15:16, Maureen Carney wrote:

> Santa is already at the Burlington Mall (and probably others in the
> area) - so I guess the stations want to rush the season as well. It
> wasn't that long ago when stations would run "12 Days of Christmas"
> promotions and limit the music to that more approriate period. I guess
> I'm also in the Mike 93.7/Country 102.5 group for the rest of the
> year.

I've said this in past years, so I guess it's time to say it again.  
Every year I hear complaints that the Christmas season is being 
rushed and starting earlier than ever before.  Back in the mid-1950s, 
I remember being with my parents in a department store shortly before 
Halloween and seeing Christmas decorations.  When I remarked on it, I 
was told that the season was being rushed this year.

It may seem as though the season starts earlier each year, but if 
that were true, by this time, we would be starting the new Christmas 
season in January.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Thu Nov  6 22:58:45 2008
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:58:45 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
In-Reply-To: <007801c94066$bf102d00$0202a8c0@Mark>
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On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Mark Watson wrote:

> Bob Nelson wrote:
>
>> As do CBS and Greater Media with the switch of WODS >and WROR to
>> all Christmas earlier today. I think of the end of "Green
>> Chri$tma$" in which "Jingle Bells" merges with the sound of
>> cash registers ringing and coins jingling.
>
>  Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you don't  
> hear on the radio. Last time I heard it on the radio was close to 20  
> years ago, when J.C. (Jim Camilli) played it on his oldies show on  
> WLLH during the holiday season. J.C. did his last show on LLH back  
> in 1990. Stan Freberg was ahead of his time with this one. I believe  
> it was recorded in the mid or late 1950's.
>
> Mark Watson


I actually heard "Green Chri$tma$" played on the XM 50s channel by one  
of their DJs last December.  I'm going to guess that it first came out  
in 1957.

Bud Hippisley


From ewerme@comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 23:43:20 2008
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2008 23:43:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Early Xmas
Message-ID: <20081107044320.46FE35C4F9@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>

Mark Watson wrote:
>   Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you don't hear 
> on the radio. 

> Larry Weil wrote:
> >> -
> > In the same vein, Allen Sherman did a song that went "Deck the halls with
> > advertising" or something to that effect, IIRC.
> >
> >   
> Cambridge's own Tom Lehrer held forth with "A Christmas Carol" - one of 
> my all-time favorite holiday commentaries, tho seldom, if ever, heard on 
> the (public?) airwaves:

> Hark The Herald Tribune Sings, Advertising Wondrous Things...
> God Rest Ye Merry Merchants, May Ye Make The Yuletide Pay...

Richard L Kaye had a tradition where he would play "Green Chri$tma$"
on WCRB Saturday Night the week after seeing the first Christmas
advertising of the year.

Lehrer and Sherman were certain to be heard before Christmas.

I figure it's Kaye's fault that I have the appropriate Dr Demento CDs.
Good stuff.  Gee, they're even short enough pieces to fit WCRB's
current format.  :-)

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov  7 00:28:23 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:28:23 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
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<<On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:49:09 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> It may seem as though the season starts earlier each year, but if 
> that were true, by this time, we would be starting the new Christmas 
> season in January.  

Social scientists call this the "recency illusion".  People have a
tendency to dramatically underestimate how long something has been
going on, when in reality all that's changed is their level of
annoyance at it.  (You see this in particular with linguistic
prescription, where the windmills being tilted at had often been
demolished a century or more before the peevologists started
complaining.)

(Other interesting social-science phrases to impress your neighbors
with: "frequency illusion", "publication bias", and "literary bias".
All should be familiar to any reporter working a science or
public-policy beat (but aren't to anywhere near enough).

-GAWollman


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov  7 01:02:04 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:02:04 -0500
Subject: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement
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	<49134002.5000101@fybush.com>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
To: Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com>
Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Beck's politeness, Smerconish's endorsement


> Bob Nelson wrote:
>
> > We'll see how long the honeymoon lasts, but I jokingly have said
> > that I'm sure the right will treat our new President with the
> > same respect, admiration, and class as the left did with
> > our outgoing President... :)
>
> Can anyone imagine a kiddie show host in today's supercharged political
> environment doing a daily "salute to the President" with a glass of
> milk, a la Bob Emery?
>

I remember toasting both Eisenhower and JFK with my glass of milk. If I'd
still been watching in 1965, though, (was he still on in '65?) and Goldwater
had somehow won the '64 election, I don't think I'd be drinking to Barry's
health, such was my parents' antipathy toward him.

Howard



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 01:16:00 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:16:00 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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>>Am I mistaken, or did not talk show hosts such as Jerry Williams, Steve
>>Fredericks, Avi Nelson, Paul Benzaquin, etc., operate their programs just
>>fine during the time the Fairness Doctrine was in force?
> 
> That's exactly my point.  It's a myth-- usually put forth by my 
> friends on the right-- that all freedom of opinion was stifled under 
> the Fairness Doctrine.  Quite the opposite is true, as my 
> soon-to-be-released book will point out.  The 1960s was the first 
> major era of opinionated talk shows, and those talkers came from both 
> the right and the left-- righties had plenty of big stars-- it was 
> the era of Joe Pyne ("Go gargle with razor blades!") and other 
> conservative talkers of the Michael Savage ilk, and they all had no 
> problem getting huge ratings.  But there were liberal talkers on 
> their stations, and they too got huge ratings.  And the public heard 
> both sides of all the major issues, and life went on.


Wow!  Donna and I agree?!?!?!?!?

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 01:26:42 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:26:42 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
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>
>>>> Considering the number of people who contributed to the
>>>> Republican campaign, it stands to reason that they might want to
>>>> know what was done with that money (and in case you didn't
>>>> already know this, the story was not her wardrobe, but how it was
>>>> paid for..
>>
>> This was paid for by people who willingly gave money to the campain
>> to get McCain elected.  A wardrobe for Palin is part of that task.
>>
>> I have yet to see a campain contributor that was complaining about
>> the wardrobe budget.
>>
>
> Don, I'd like you to meet Saul Anuzis, the Republican Party chairman for
> the state of Michigan. I don't think I'd call him a "lefty," but I think
> I would call him appalled.

OK...there's one.  But as the ship was going down, some people are simply 
looking for cover.

>> One top party fundraiser told NEWSWEEK that, ever since the story
>> broke on Politico.com, he was bombarded with calls from Republican
>> donors

I don't believe "bombarded" with calls.  Again, people looking for cover.

> who were "furious" that their contributions were used for such
>> purposes.

What they are probably more furious about is that it got played like it did 
in the press...and the fact that it originated with someone *inside* the 
campain who had let the information out.

As the campain wound down, it was turning into a circular firing squad.

> (The footnote to the Obama-aunt story: I agree with Donna and others who 
> have pointed out that it's more than a little interesting to question why 
> the supposedly confidential information about her immigration status 
> suddenly broke into the news just a few days before the election.

How about if they simply asked a neighbor?


From attychase@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 01:43:55 2008
From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:43:55 -0500
Subject: Re- Fairness Doctrine - radio and television in the public interest
References: <mailman.11403.1226029803.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <2D35D4B3DD0B40D98179D35D465A0976@HomeOffice>


The position that the public airways shall be used in the public interest has always been a hallmark of federal policy since the earliest communications acts. To put it bluntly, advertising was the evil business that people put up with in order to enjoy the benefits of "free" programming. Even if the practitioners of radio and television don't believe that in their heart of hearts that is the policy the people enacted in their laws. (At least until recently.) What do they say, the bad money always chases out the good?
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:55:40 -0500
> From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: fairness doctrine
 Radio is 
> a business, listed in the Yellow Pages under 'Advertising' not 'Opinion' 
> or 'Speech'.  

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov  7 02:20:39 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:20:39 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
In-Reply-To: <DF9911BBC8CC48B0B1B2C92D9891E847@MainXPPro>
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At 01:16 AM 11/7/2008, Don A wrote:

>Wow!  Donna and I agree?!?!?!?!?

Hey, miracles do happen... 8-)   But actually, as many of you know, I 
don't see myself as an ideologue... I'm a leftie on many issues, and 
rightie on a few.  But I always try to be courteous to people on the 
other side of an issue and not demonize those with whom I don't agree.  


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 02:41:35 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:41:35 -0600
Subject: fairness doctrine
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I think we are all overlooking the landscape of the days of the FD and now.


Back when the dinosaurs roamed the planet and radio-tv was limited to
a few channels it was thought by the regulators of the day to try and
keep things equal for all.

Now?????  We have so many options it can make your head spin.

I agree with Sid that Rush is a shell of where he was 15 years ago.
Savage is today a better entertainer than Rush.

I don't pretend to have an answer to this.

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Nov  7 01:50:44 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:50:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
Message-ID: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/othercities/baltimore/stories/2008/11/03/daily43.html?b=1225688400^1728531&brthrs=1

I read in a forum that I frequent that Boston people were filed into a room, then shown a DVD telling them that they're all being laid off. 

Can someone confirm/deny? 


      

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov  7 02:52:45 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:52:45 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
Message-ID: <20081107075245.3B7AC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Mark Watson wrote:
>   Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you 
> don't hear on the radio.

If Dr. Demento is still on any terrestrial radio stations, he probably plays it.
And I play it on WMWM (we throw some Christmas tunes in with my blues show,
but usually not till after Thanksgiving!)

I remember Mark Parenteau used to play it when he did 5:05 pm
comedy on WBCN


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov  7 03:03:48 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:03:48 -0500
Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <20081107080348.4483B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Howie Carr mentioned tonight that WRKO will carry his induction into the Radio Hall of Fame
on Saturday night from 10 to 11 pm Eastern, live from Chicago. (Carr will do his show
tomorrow from WGN's studios.) He will get a grand total of 90 seconds for his speech.

I still have a bit of tape from when Jerry Williams went into the RHOF and they cut him
off by having the band play "Yakety Yak". He was not pleased. I think if you go to
the RHOF site you can hear the acceptance speeches from past awards (in some cases,
when the inductee has passed on, you will hear someone accept it for him/her...
for example, they inducted Jean Shepherd a few years ago. "Shep" died in 1999.)

http://www.radiohof.org/

There's a list of affiliates carrying it and also a video streamcast can be seen.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 03:13:03 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:13:03 -0600
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811070013j244cb711jb3448b6ed95af702@mail.gmail.com>

Confirm

Brookline studio will be shuttered by Dec 31

Comcast will keep the NJ-PA-MD-DC afloat in a limited manner but will
stop feeding New England.

On 11/7/08, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:
> http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/othercities/baltimore/stories/2008/11/03/daily43.html?b=1225688400^1728531&brthrs=1
>
> I read in a forum that I frequent that Boston people were filed into a room,
> then shown a DVD telling them that they're all being laid off.
>
> Can someone confirm/deny?
>
>
>
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 02:56:14 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:56:14 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
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>> > I thought it was a pretty good impression, but the things he talked
>> > about were a bit unfair.
>>
> Because we all know Keith plays it straight down the middle, huh?  ;-)
>
> No, but he doesn't interrupt people on his show and call them names.
>  ...but people who come on his show, so far as I have
> seen, are treated with better manners.

Because most of the people he has on his show are Liberals that he agrees 
with.

(And the same Liberals over and over!) 


From atolz@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 07:37:15 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:37:15 -0500
Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame
References: <20081107080348.4483B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <10A674E5C2984D0CA9B4EBA84E7D3B08@mediacenter>

Jerry's RHOF speech is also at http://www.jerrywilliams.org .  Go to "Audio 
Slips", then "misc".

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:03 AM
Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame


Howie Carr mentioned tonight that WRKO will carry his induction into the 
Radio Hall of Fame
on Saturday night from 10 to 11 pm Eastern, live from Chicago. (Carr will do 
his show
tomorrow from WGN's studios.) He will get a grand total of 90 seconds for 
his speech.

I still have a bit of tape from when Jerry Williams went into the RHOF and 
they cut him
off by having the band play "Yakety Yak". He was not pleased. I think if you 
go to
the RHOF site you can hear the acceptance speeches from past awards (in some 
cases,
when the inductee has passed on, you will hear someone accept it for 
him/her...
for example, they inducted Jean Shepherd a few years ago. "Shep" died in 
1999.)

http://www.radiohof.org/

There's a list of affiliates carrying it and also a video streamcast can be 
seen.


From radiotony@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 07:53:59 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:53:59 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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I think that was kinda why I mentioned it in the first place.
I too am liberal on about 70 percent of the issues.
I have always historically believed in a fairness doctrine.
But after watching this election cycle though, I'm beginning to rethink the
position.

That said, the traditional media does seem to be petering off in sections.
Who knows if any of this will even matter anymore in four years.
Wi-fi radios are now being installed in cars. When this happens to the level

of terrestrial or satellite, anyone and their brother can set up shop and
broadcast
with the potential to reach a large audience. Selling it and making money
will be 
difficult and so will building an audience. But reaching that audience will
be easy. 

I listen to 3wk.com sometimes at work, if I don't feel like playing any of
my programmed
stuff on the computer. I was shocked last Christmas season to hear ads from
Kay Jewelers
and Toyota on the station. That goes to show you that if you can build an
audience, you 
can sell it and make a living. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:21 AM
To: Don A; Jim Hall; 'BostonRadio Mailing List'
Subject: Re: fairness doctrine

At 01:16 AM 11/7/2008, Don A wrote:

>Wow!  Donna and I agree?!?!?!?!?

Hey, miracles do happen... 8-)   But actually, as many of you know, I 
don't see myself as an ideologue... I'm a leftie on many issues, and 
rightie on a few.  But I always try to be courteous to people on the 
other side of an issue and not demonize those with whom I don't agree.  


From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 07:21:55 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:21:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52227.88934.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It kinda makes you wish for the days of AT&T3 ("New England's Superstation").  

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"
radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:

> From: Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com>
> Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
> To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
> Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 1:50 AM
> http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/othercities/baltimore/stories/2008/11/03/daily43.html?b=1225688400^1728531&brthrs=1
> 
> I read in a forum that I frequent that Boston people were
> filed into a room, then shown a DVD telling them that
> they're all being laid off. 
> 
> Can someone confirm/deny?


      

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 08:24:49 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:24:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <120111.27331.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It's true. The sports programming will go to Comcast Sports Net. Some of the CN8 people have already called us at CSN looking for open positions.

Maureen (CSN Traffic Manager)




________________________________
From: Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 1:50:44 AM
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/othercities/baltimore/stories/2008/11/03/daily43.html?b=1225688400^1728531&brthrs=1

I read in a forum that I frequent that Boston people were filed into a room, then shown a DVD telling them that they're all being laid off. 

Can someone confirm/deny? 


      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 08:59:04 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:59:04 -0600
Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame
In-Reply-To: <10A674E5C2984D0CA9B4EBA84E7D3B08@mediacenter>
References: <20081107080348.4483B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<10A674E5C2984D0CA9B4EBA84E7D3B08@mediacenter>
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Looks like most of Howie's syndicated stations are picking up the
broadcast as well. (The Hyannis station is listed as Boston)

I personally will listen because of Jess Cain.



On 11/7/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jerry's RHOF speech is also at http://www.jerrywilliams.org .  Go to "Audio
> Slips", then "misc".
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:03 AM
> Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame
>
>
> Howie Carr mentioned tonight that WRKO will carry his induction into the
> Radio Hall of Fame
> on Saturday night from 10 to 11 pm Eastern, live from Chicago. (Carr will do
> his show
> tomorrow from WGN's studios.) He will get a grand total of 90 seconds for
> his speech.
>
> I still have a bit of tape from when Jerry Williams went into the RHOF and
> they cut him
> off by having the band play "Yakety Yak". He was not pleased. I think if you
> go to
> the RHOF site you can hear the acceptance speeches from past awards (in some
> cases,
> when the inductee has passed on, you will hear someone accept it for
> him/her...
> for example, they inducted Jean Shepherd a few years ago. "Shep" died in
> 1999.)
>
> http://www.radiohof.org/
>
> There's a list of affiliates carrying it and also a video streamcast can be
> seen.
>
>

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Fri Nov  7 09:07:08 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:07:08 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
In-Reply-To: <20081107044320.46FE35C4F9@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
References: <20081107044320.46FE35C4F9@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601c940e2$20631240$612936c0$@com>

Gee, I've got Green Chri$tma$ and all of the others mentioned as well as a
few more not mentioned in the Christmas rotation at WMWM.  Of course, I
don't start the rotation until the students have left for their winter break
and you will need to wrap your legs around our tower to hear our 130,000
milliwatt signal.  Of course now you can hear us online at
www.wmwmonline.com

Brian Vita

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On
> Behalf Of Ric Werme
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:43 PM
> To: Larry Weil
> Cc: 'BostonRadio Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: Early Xmas
> 
> Mark Watson wrote:
> >   Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you don't
> hear
> > on the radio.
> 
> > Larry Weil wrote:
> > >> -
> > > In the same vein, Allen Sherman did a song that went "Deck the
> halls with
> > > advertising" or something to that effect, IIRC.
> > >
> > >
> > Cambridge's own Tom Lehrer held forth with "A Christmas Carol" - one
> of
> > my all-time favorite holiday commentaries, tho seldom, if ever, heard
> on
> > the (public?) airwaves:
> 
> > Hark The Herald Tribune Sings, Advertising Wondrous Things...
> > God Rest Ye Merry Merchants, May Ye Make The Yuletide Pay...
> 
> Richard L Kaye had a tradition where he would play "Green Chri$tma$"
> on WCRB Saturday Night the week after seeing the first Christmas
> advertising of the year.
> 
> Lehrer and Sherman were certain to be heard before Christmas.
> 
> I figure it's Kaye's fault that I have the appropriate Dr Demento CDs.
> Good stuff.  Gee, they're even short enough pieces to fit WCRB's
> current format.  :-)
> 
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From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:23:47 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:23:47 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
In-Reply-To: <18707.53751.470646.605366@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081106162210.9D09249B707@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>	<83246.74672.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<49137465.16449.1482BB8@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<18707.53751.470646.605366@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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Garrett Wollman wrote:
> (Other interesting social-science phrases to impress your neighbors
> with: "frequency illusion", "publication bias", and "literary bias".
>   
You had me at 'peevologists'. And all these years I thought that had 
something to do with the study of urology.

Bill O'Neill

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov  7 09:49:29 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:49:29 -0500
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811070013j244cb711jb3448b6ed95af702@mail.gmail.com>
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<<On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:13:03 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> Confirm
> Brookline studio will be shuttered by Dec 31

> Comcast will keep the NJ-PA-MD-DC afloat in a limited manner but will
> stop feeding New England.

I think the writing was on the wall when they decided to move it to a
digital tier, where nobody is likely to tune across it.  Channel 3 on
this system (the Ayer system, apparently) has been showing a bad
chargen announcement of the move ever since.

-GAWollman


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 09:56:34 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:56:34 -0600
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <52227.88934.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Was it AT&T 3 that call themselves Wicked Cool TV or was that Media One 3?

I was told this morning that Comcast 100 in Chicago is about to be cut
which puts TV of the AHL Wolves in jeopardy.

CSN Chicago is partly owned by the Blackhawks who have no love for the AHL team.

Local origination was well done by long gone companies just as
American Cable, Media One, Continental, Time-Warner and Cablevision.

When AT&T took over they cut local to the bone and then Comcast
scrapped what was left. Cambridge for example had a full blown studio
on Sherman St that C-Span used often and a high quality remote truck.


I know some of the CN8 staffers being cut loose as many have survived
all the mergers.



On 11/7/08, Peter Q. George <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It kinda makes you wish for the days of AT&T3 ("New England's
> Superstation").
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
> radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
> ***********************************************************
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com>
>> Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
>> To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
>> Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 1:50 AM
>> http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/othercities/baltimore/stories/2008/11/03/daily43.html?b=1225688400^1728531&brthrs=1
>>
>> I read in a forum that I frequent that Boston people were
>> filed into a room, then shown a DVD telling them that
>> they're all being laid off.
>>
>> Can someone confirm/deny?
>
>
>
>

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov  7 11:23:27 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:23:27 -0500
Subject: fairness doctrine
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	<20081106233011.3F493CE2B@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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At 1:41 AM -0600 11/7/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>I think we are all overlooking the landscape of the days of the FD and now.
>
>
>Back when the dinosaurs roamed the planet and radio-tv was limited to
>a few channels it was thought by the regulators of the day to try and
>keep things equal for all.
>
>Now?????  We have so many options it can make your head spin.

Many more options, yes.  But those options are owned by fewer owners 
than in the old days.  The real problem, IMO, is media consolidation.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov  7 11:25:11 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:25:11 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
In-Reply-To: <20081107075245.3B7AC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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At 2:52 AM -0500 11/7/08, Bob Nelson wrote:
>Mark Watson wrote:
>>    Ironically, "Green Chri$tma$" is one Yule recording that you
>>  don't hear on the radio.
>
>If Dr. Demento is still on any terrestrial radio stations, he 
>probably plays it.

I recently took a look at the Dr. Demento web site, it listed exactly 
seven stations that carry his program.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov  7 11:27:25 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:27:25 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c53a1c1c8853@[192.168.0.100]>
References: <20081107075245.3B7AC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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<<On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:25:11 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> I recently took a look at the Dr. Demento web site, it listed exactly 
> seven stations that carry his program.

This is apparently a result of him leaving The House That Norm Built
and switching to a different syndicator who is hated by nearly
everyone in the business near as I can tell.

-GAWollman


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 11:02:26 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:02:26 -0500
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811070656j293ac479w78a7e00374dfd324@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><52227.88934.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <3200080552804D84B912FD3905B3851A@fs.uml.edu>

Lowell Cable TV used to have their own studio and evening local news also.
Steve Cooper of Channel 7 and Julie Seitter formerly of WBZ Radio used to be
the anchors.


-When AT&T took over they cut local to the bone and then Comcast
-scrapped what was left. Cambridge for example had a full blown studio
-on Sherman St that C-Span used often and a high quality remote truck.



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov  7 11:19:55 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:19:55 -0500
Subject: WRKO to carry Carr's induction to Radio Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <20081107161955.847EE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh good; the recording I have (I have only the bit about Jerry) also included the little
montage that Sandy (I believe) put together including the Vietnam Vet, Jerry talking about
seatbelts, the "washing machine" lady, etc.! Some of Jerry's bumper music was included;
among that was the "do you disagree, or do you agree?" jingle, with "WMEX" edited out.

I think I had recorded the whole show then just saved the part about Jerry (cass.)

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov  7 11:27:14 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:27:14 -0500
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811070013j244cb711jb3448b6ed95af702@mail.gmail.com>
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At 2:13 AM -0600 11/7/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Confirm
>
>Brookline studio will be shuttered by Dec 31
>
>Comcast will keep the NJ-PA-MD-DC afloat in a limited manner but will
>stop feeding New England.

I wonder if this means that CN8 was cutting too much into the 
audience for NECN?

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Fri Nov  7 13:57:50 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:57:50 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
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Garrett Wollman wrote:
> This is apparently a result of him leaving The House That Norm Built
> and switching to a different syndicator who is hated by nearly
> everyone in the business near as I can tell.
"Norm?"

Sounds like a bad bargain - every way.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov  7 14:21:10 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:21:10 -0500
Subject: Early Xmas
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References: <20081107075245.3B7AC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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<<On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:57:50 -0500, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> said:

> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> This is apparently a result of him leaving The House That Norm Built
>> and switching to a different syndicator who is hated by nearly
>> everyone in the business near as I can tell.
> "Norm?"

As in Norm Pattiz, founder and chairman of Westwood One.

-GAWollman


From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Nov  7 14:09:10 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:09:10 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
Message-ID: <20081107190910.44AD6BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don A" 
>To: "A. Joseph Ross" 
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:56:14 -0500
>
> No, but he doesn't interrupt people on his show and call them names.
> ...but people who come on his show, so far as I have
> seen, are treated with better manners.

>Because most of the people he has on his show are Liberals that he 
>agrees with.

>(And the same Liberals over and over!)

Evidently, you watch "Countdown" every night just as I do. 
That means you avoid having to watch Karl Rove and Dick Morris every 
night on FNC. (Their ministrations appear regularly on
Jon Stewart's show.)


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From nostaticatall@charter.net  Fri Nov  7 16:54:59 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:54:59 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <006201c93fab$39d88b20$ad89a160$@net>
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Palin's clothes were fair game.  Heck, if John Edward's $400 haircut  
could get a couple weeks of mileage on wingnut radio during the  
primaries, why can't Caribou Barbie's excess spending be reported?

And the latest clothing and "grasp of the issues" stories about Palin  
earlier this week were broken by.......Fox News.

-Dave Tomm



On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:01 PM, radiotony wrote:

> I didn't see it in the print edition.
>
> I just did a Google News search of "Illegal alien aunt, Obama" ...
> 87. Most of the links are blogs. It was in a few daily newspapers.
>
> Compare that to the Palin clothing and make up searches
> which I did a couple of weeks ago:
>
> Her hair and makeup expenses [16,900 hits]
> and the clothes [161,000 Google hits].
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 10:56:12 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:56:12 -0600
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
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References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Comcast has been working to reduce the number of headends they
inherited from Time-Warner, Cablevision and ATT Broadband. For example
when Belmont finally got cable they were tied in to the Cablevision
headend in Westford instead of Boston.

They have tried to standardize channel numbers in Eastern Mass but
Boston still has a completely different channel grid.

CN8 worked well in New Jersey as they could cover local news
overlooked by NYC and Philly but Comcast wanted to build an east coast
network.

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Fri Nov  7 23:11:11 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:11:11 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <006201c93fab$39d88b20$ad89a160$@net>
References: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net>	<0K9V000K9XLK9F00@asmtp022.mac.com>	<006101c93fa7$b9988a80$2cc99f80$@net>
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radiotony wrote:
> I didn't see it in the print edition. 
> 
> I just did a Google News search of "Illegal alien aunt, Obama" ... 
> 87. Most of the links are blogs. It was in a few daily newspapers.



Well, be realistic, radiotony.   How many newspapers are going to use 
the term "illegal alien" in a story about illegal immigration?

A Google search for the words "obama aunt boston" turns up 537,000 hits, 
many of them from mainstream media outlets, around Oct 31 and Nov 1.

Personally, I won't mind too much if she stays around.   Most Presidents 
get to have embarrassing relatives: remember Billy Carter, Ron Reagan 
Jr., the Bush daughters, Roger Clinton.   If Hillary had been elected, 
I'd have added Bill to the list.  :-)

--RC


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 23:35:20 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:35:20 -0600
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <3200080552804D84B912FD3905B3851A@fs.uml.edu>
References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Lowell Cable was one of the few companies that fully embraced the
concept of local news on cable and it was a wonderful training place.
The news program was very high quality all things considered.

Cambridge had an active LO channel when American and Continental ran
it and covered local poltics very well.

Hopefully CSN can pick up most of the college sports that CN8 offers
but there will be conflicts with the Celtics.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 23:39:47 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:39:47 -0600
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811072035r690bd07cwcc2e863b341319f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497596.24691.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<3200080552804D84B912FD3905B3851A@fs.uml.edu>
	<4fc429770811072035r690bd07cwcc2e863b341319f6@mail.gmail.com>
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Our public access channels here.... one of them consists of an old style
text announcements channel with time, temp, background music from the Fm
station in town and the other one is the same

That second channel often gets stuck on one slide for weeks at a time.. the
record? It was stuck on a slide for 2 months with a warning, asking to
update the virus software.

Paul Walker


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> Lowell Cable was one of the few companies that fully embraced the
> concept of local news on cable and it was a wonderful training place.
> The news program was very high quality all things considered.
>
> Cambridge had an active LO channel when American and Continental ran
> it and covered local poltics very well.
>
> Hopefully CSN can pick up most of the college sports that CN8 offers
> but there will be conflicts with the Celtics.
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 23:52:34 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:52:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811072035r690bd07cwcc2e863b341319f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982291.73711.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 11/7/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hopefully CSN can pick up most of the college sports that
> CN8 offers
> but there will be conflicts with the Celtics.

Most of the college stuff CN8 aired was out-of-the-region CAA stuff (maybe a Northeastern game would pop up thanks to that package on occasion) and the occasional AHL game. 


      

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  8 01:37:38 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:37:38 -0500
Subject: Yule be hearing Christmas on WROR and WODS from now on
In-Reply-To: <18707.53751.470646.605366@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20081106162210.9D09249B707@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<49137465.16449.1482BB8@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<18707.53751.470646.605366@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4914ED62.18905.98D7AF@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 7 Nov 2008 at 0:28, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> (Other interesting social-science phrases to impress your neighbors
> with: "frequency illusion", "publication bias", and "literary bias".
> All should be familiar to any reporter working a science or
> public-policy beat (but aren't to anywhere near enough).
 
I don't know what these are, but they sure sound interesting.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  8 01:37:39 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:37:39 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV34E964AB21C34D512865FD6190@phx.gbl>
References: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<BAY111-DAV34E964AB21C34D512865FD6190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4914ED63.16651.98DBF5@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 7 Nov 2008 at 1:20, Dave in Boston wrote:

> Because most of the people he has on his show are Liberals that he
> agrees with.

I do believe that Keith sometimes has non-liberals on.  Even when he 
disagrees, he isn't rude like BIllo.  

The parody had Keith saying something totally off the wall and 
cutting off a liberal guest who was disagreeing with him.  That, I 
think, is unfair. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  8 01:37:39 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:37:39 -0500
Subject: Fairness Doctrine
In-Reply-To: <4915115F.5010905@gabrielmass.com>
References: <005501c93fa0$23a2aa30$6ae7fe90$@net>,
	<006201c93fab$39d88b20$ad89a160$@net>,
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Message-ID: <4914ED63.16895.98DCB0@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 7 Nov 2008 at 23:11, Richard Chonak wrote:

> Personally, I won't mind too much if she stays around.   Most
> Presidents get to have embarrassing relatives: remember Billy Carter,
> Ron Reagan Jr., the Bush daughters, Roger Clinton.   If Hillary had
> been elected, I'd have added Bill to the list.  :-)
 
There were also Sam Houston Johnson and Donald Nixon.

Mike Dukakis had an embarrassing brother, Stelian. But Stelian was 
killed by a hit-and-run driver, while riding his bike after 11 PM.  
This was in 1973 or so, before Dukakis first ran for governor.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From attychase@comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 09:50:42 2008
From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:50:42 -0500
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
References: <mailman.1.1226077200.47166.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <BB6A7AEFE2504E199BF8120208261D9B@HomeOffice>

The flip side of the fairness doctrine (policy consideration in the 
communications acts) was that the radio and television stations would 
operate in the public interest and the local stations would originate and 
provide local service. The intention was that local matters would have an 
outlet. When the locally owned cable companies came in and undercut the 
broadcast monopoly, the local authorizing boards were able to force them to 
follow a similar policy. For a while it made sense for the cable companies. 
Now with cable dropping in its spots with technology allowing them to target 
their market from miles away from the head end, they no longer need local 
origination. What's killing local radio as a business model is the bigger 
bang the same ad can get on the cable. On the other hand, my wife always 
reads the newspaper for their supermarket inserts and junk ad inserts.

On another subject concerning radio's competition, how will the Wi-Wi 
startups work technically and of course I'll bet that at the beginning at 
least they won't pay copyright fees although they are required to. 
http://www.soundexchange.com/


> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:02:26 -0500
> From: "Jim Hall" <aerie.ma@comcast.net>

> Lowell Cable TV used to have their own studio and evening local news also.
> Steve Cooper of Channel 7 and Julie Seitter formerly of WBZ Radio used to 
> be
> the anchors.
>
> -When AT&T took over they cut local to the bone and then Comcast
> -scrapped what was left. Cambridge for example had a full blown studio
> -on Sherman St that C-Span used often and a high quality remote truck. 



From atolz@comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 10:29:49 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:29:49 -0500
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
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> On another subject concerning radio's competition, how will the Wi-Wi 
> startups work technically and of course I'll bet that at the beginning at 
> least they won't pay copyright fees although they are required to. 
> http://www.soundexchange.com/

Internet Radio is pretty far beyond the startup phase, although the RIAA, 
and their collection arm, Soundexchange, are trying to kill the baby in the 
crib. And the stations ARE paying, eventhough they are also fighting the 
ridiculous fee structure and rationale for same.     If the state of the 
American auto industry is any indicator, it will be at least a decade before 
there's a critical mass of wi-fi enabled cars to threaten radio's use there, 
though from my personal experience, I no longer use an AM/FM tuner on my 
main home system...I run a computer through the amp and tune in to "radio" 
online.  Sadly, ARB can't really get a handle on how to treat this from a 
ratings perspective - diary or PPM - especially if stations choose to 
simulcast rather than try to monetize their internet streams separately.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert S Chase" <attychase@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area


> The flip side of the fairness doctrine (policy consideration in the 
> communications acts) was that the radio and television stations would 
> operate in the public interest and the local stations would originate and 
> provide local service. The intention was that local matters would have an 
> outlet. When the locally owned cable companies came in and undercut the 
> broadcast monopoly, the local authorizing boards were able to force them 
> to follow a similar policy. For a while it made sense for the cable 
> companies. Now with cable dropping in its spots with technology allowing 
> them to target their market from miles away from the head end, they no 
> longer need local origination. What's killing local radio as a business 
> model is the bigger bang the same ad can get on the cable. On the other 
> hand, my wife always reads the newspaper for their supermarket inserts and 
> junk ad inserts.
>
> On another subject concerning radio's competition, how will the Wi-Wi 
> startups work technically and of course I'll bet that at the beginning at 
> least they won't pay copyright fees although they are required to. 
> http://www.soundexchange.com/
>
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:02:26 -0500
>> From: "Jim Hall" <aerie.ma@comcast.net>
>
>> Lowell Cable TV used to have their own studio and evening local news 
>> also.
>> Steve Cooper of Channel 7 and Julie Seitter formerly of WBZ Radio used to 
>> be
>> the anchors.
>>
>> -When AT&T took over they cut local to the bone and then Comcast
>> -scrapped what was left. Cambridge for example had a full blown studio
>> -on Sherman St that C-Span used often and a high quality remote truck.
>
>
> 


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Nov  8 10:38:31 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:38:31 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
Message-ID: <20081108153831.BD69A83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

As one person correctly points out in the comments, the Limbaugh 
crusade "Operation Chaos" was set to derail Hillary and nomimate
Obama whom they thought was a weaker candidate (the writer said it 
was to derail Obama).

Talk radio is not totally irrelevant. Events such as Bush's "Dubai 
ports deal" were criticized by Ingraham, Carr,
and Savage (IIRC) and pressure from talk radio listeners helped to 
derail it (also this shows that conservative
talk hosts weren't necessarily "in the tank" for Bush; Ingraham also 
came out strongly against the nomination of
Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court, and this pressure may have helped 
derail that nomination).

We do remember when Jerry Williams helped to stop the prison on New 
Braintree and, for awhile at least,
the mandatory use of seat belts. He used to have Ralph Nader on a 
lot, talking about stopping the
"Congressional pay grab" by having people call or write (this was 
pretty much before e-mails/the Net!)
Pressure was also put on the State Legislature, Governor, etc.

One comment mentioned that Fox News was part of the Mainstream Media. 
Some on the right now disagree, as the
channel has generally expressed support for the new President-elect 
and some are wondering (on forums, etc.)
if maybe Fox wants the government to back off from coming after them 
due to cross-ownership. A "boycott Fox"
effort was recently launched on the Right, believe it or not!

The point was made about Air America in another comment to the 
article. There was a comment wondering if
Elman, etc., was angry that AAR didn't survive, and: "We need talk 
radio to offset the BS that is coming from the liberal media".
The comment pointed out that despite the huge fundraising advantage 
of Obama and the huge support he got from
the media, he only won in the popular vote by a few percentage points 
nationwide.

It is true, though, that many talk shows don't take as many calls as 
they should. In some cases maybe there just
aren't too many people listening to call, or maybe the host prefers 
to wage his or her opinion most of the time.
I was listening to Talk Radio Network's Tammy Bruce and wondering why 
she hardly took any calls! (Bruce, btw,
does some fill-ins for Laura Ingraham--and she does take more calls 
in that capacity--and her bio shows that
she's not totally "left" or "right". "...an openly gay, pro-choice, 
gun owning, pro-death penalty, voted-for-President Bush authentic 
feminist. A lifelong Democrat, in the 1990s she worked to help elect 
Senators Feinstein and Boxer..."


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  8 10:47:45 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:47:45 -0500
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
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<<On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:29:49 -0500, "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net> said:

> Sadly, ARB can't really get a handle on how to treat this from a
> ratings perspective - diary or PPM - especially if stations choose
> to simulcast rather than try to monetize their internet streams
> separately.

I feel strangely compelled to point out that ARB changed its name to
Arbitron quite a long time ago now....

Of course, the ratings perspective looks even worse when you add in
listenership to BBC Radio 4 and NRK Alltid Klassisk, for example.
There's also some disagreement over where the "performance" occurs;
the RIAA (and thus U.S. Government) position seems to be that it
occurs in the United States if either the listener or the broadcaster
is located here.  I could imagine other national governments taking
the same position; at some point there is probably going to have to be
some WTO rule to determine who gets royalties (and who is liable for
defamation, for that matter) in which country.  I don't hold out hope
that this will be done sensibly, since the position of the U.S. has
always been (regardless of administration) to cave 100% to the
intellectual-property industry and then use the WTO to force bad
policy on us that would never pass Congress on its merits.

-GAWollman


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Nov  8 11:17:28 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:17:28 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
Message-ID: <20081108161728.3F9DF83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Are you sure about this? Limbaugh was actively telling people to vote for
Hillary in open primaries an effort to derail Obama because Hillary was
perceived to be the weaker general election candidate, because so many
people despised her. 

You could be right but I was under the impression that the idea was to
get rid of Hillary, and then go after Obama--though actually in later
primaries the idea may have been put the nomination process into
chaos by "bringing her back".

Incidentally, someone on the Globe's comments mentioned that Clear
Channel was serving to help Bush and the GOP. Really...the same
company that took a chance on Air America in many markets and
gave us those far right wingers Stephanie Miller, Al Franken,
Ed Schulz, et al, via their WKOX and WXKS? :) (OK, that was
sarcasm of course...and I still maintain that had CC put
at least one DAILY local talk show on, the format could have
worked here)
Clear Channel at least put AAR on for two years and two months here.
Would another company have done this? Entercom? CBS?
Greater Media?

It's all about making money. A good example of this was what 
Seth MacFarlane, creator of "Family Guy" said in a Q&A in
Montreal (on a box set). He was asked how folks like Rupert
Murdoch felt about the liberal humor found in the show.
He replied, "Rupert is a businessman first and a Republican
second". In other words, Peter Griffin and friends could
bash Bush and conservatives all they wanted as long as they
got him ratings and money.

And talk radio station owners could well be on the left
politically, for all we know, but if the likes of
Limbaugh succeed, they put them on and keep them on.
Money.
Enjoy your views too!

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 12:09:07 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:09:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.
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CSN is indeed picking up CN8 sports that don't conflict with Celtics. This includes several BU and BC hockey games, the MA high school hockey tournament, candelpin bowling, and the out-of-market college sports the company is contractually bound to air. No AHL on the scheudle as of now. I'm not sure if CSN is getting any minor league baseball come the spring - I've only seen the 1Q 2009 schedule. It's actually coming at a good time as FSN will be phasing out original programming such as "Best Damn Sports Show Period" within the next year.




________________________________
From: Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; kvahey@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 11:52:34 PM
Subject: Re: CN8 shuts down Boston operations.

On Fri, 11/7/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hopefully CSN can pick up most of the college sports that
> CN8 offers
> but there will be conflicts with the Celtics.

Most of the college stuff CN8 aired was out-of-the-region CAA stuff (maybe a Northeastern game would pop up thanks to that package on occasion) and the occasional AHL game. 


      

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov  8 12:25:16 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:25:16 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>Bob wrote--
>
>Talk radio is not totally irrelevant. Events such as Bush's "Dubai
>ports deal" were criticized by Ingraham, Carr,
>and Savage (IIRC) and pressure from talk radio listeners helped to
>derail it [snip]

Talk radio is in fact still alive and well, a format that we can 
trace back to 1935 (!).  Yes it has changed over the years, and yes 
there are fewer general interest shows like the late lamented David 
Brudnoy's-- shows where the host is a rightie but a moderate rightie, 
or a rightie who respects the opinions of even those with whom he (or 
she) disagrees.  But even though it is hyper-partisan, it's still around.

Bob also wrote--
>The point was made about Air America in another comment to the
>article. There was a comment wondering if
>Elman, etc., was angry that AAR didn't survive,

Ah but reports of its death are greatly exaggerated.  Air America is 
still here, and we've all seen how it gave Rachel Maddow a platform 
that led to her being a pundit on TV.  But more important, the Jones 
talk radio stars-- Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller -- are the ones 
turning a profit and getting heard on multiple platforms, including 
as TV pundits on shows like Larry King Live, on blogs like 
Huffingtonpost.com, etc.  This did not happen in 2004.  The right, 
bless 'em all, with their 95% domination of talk shows (a figure that 
has NOT changed), was able to smear John Kerry and there was little 
any of the loyal opposition could do.  This year-- different 
game.  The right tried mightily to smear Obama and immediately, 
leftie talk show hosts, who knew how to get their ideas across, spoke 
out on their shows and then went on TV with Larry King or Chris 
Matthews and refuted those rightie talking points.  So, yes it's true 
that the left still doesn't have more than 5% of all talk shows, but 
there are now individual stars who are well known (Ed Schultz is on 
over 100 stations and has been turning a profit since 2005) and who 
can pull in the big interviews.  Ed and Steph both did town hall 
meetings in cities all over the USA, bringing together partisans and 
fans.  This too would not have happened in 2004.

I am still upset with my friends at Clear Channe for going back on 
their promise to me that they would bring back progressive talk in 
Boston.  Okay fine, they did give the format a chance-- largely 
because they were in deep trouble with the FCC back in 2004 for 
predatory business practices (this has been well-documented by 
numerous articles in magazines and newspapers, so I'm not saying 
anything partisan here.)  In addition, nobody cheered for the Iraq 
War more than the owners of CC-- the Mays family are longtime 
personal friends with President Bush and donated MILLIONS to his 
campaign and to other rightie causes.  Not that there's anything 
wrong with doing that, but they also stifled dissenting views within 
their own stations.  As complaints mounted and an investigation was 
about to ensue, they suddenly decided to "support" progressive talk, 
just to show they really did let the other side be heard.  Except, it 
wasn't a level playing field, as I have discussed before.  They put 
it on 25 of their weakest signals and gave it NO promotion 
whatsoever; based on what I saw, they were perfectly happy for that 
format to fail.  But it didn't fail.  It just became one more niche 
in a niche-oriented medium, and in that, the opinion piece in the 
Globe is 100% correct.  The idea of a mass-appeal talk show where all 
views are presented is no longer the accepted model.  Alas, while I 
know both Ed and Stephanie, and while I came [this close] to meeting 
Rachel Maddow on several occasions, they do in fact preach to the 
converted.  I'm glad they were out there in this current election 
cycle, and it is my belief that progressive talkers were a factor in 
the Obama win.

What is also true is that no longer can Limbaugh or Bill O or Sean 
just say whatever and have it go unchallenged.  That's a good 
thing.  Now, right wing talkers face some very real competition in 
certain markets, and their pundits are now actively refuted by 
pundits from the left.  But I have to wonder what Brudnoy, or for 
that matter Jerry Williams, would make of today's talk radio 
landscape.  I mean, I bow before Dan Rea of WBZ for his many years of 
TV work and his awesome investigative reporting, but on the air he's 
just one more rightie.  And it seems we will never again see a 
meaningful effort to have a "town meeting of the air" the way we once 
did.  For that, I am very sorry, as I believe the hyper-partisanship 
of today's meeting is a mixed blessing.  It gets supporters all riled 
up, but doesn't teach anyone anything new-- which is what talk radio 
used to be known for...


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Nov  8 13:48:02 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:48:02 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
Message-ID: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Donna wrote:
>>shows where the host is a rightie but a moderate 
rightie, or a rightie who respects the opinions of even those with 
whom he (or she) disagrees. 

Dan Rea for one...
 
I don't know if the right controls 95 per cent of talk shows in
Boston. Steve Leveille, Jim Braude, Margery Eagan (on some
issues) are some examples. Nationally, if you're saying AAR/
Jones is doing well, add them to the mix and it's not exactly
95 to 5. Also consider that some national hosts aren't
totally right wing; Dennis Miller is to the left on some
issues.

CC Boston needed to do a local talk show (and work on the signal).
Though in some areas, at least by day, 1200 wasn't bad even
before the tower move (or 1430, in some areas, was OK).

Some other companies may have given prog talk a better shake
on bigger signals, including Entercom (WWKB Buffalo) and
even, for a time, Bonneville which put some libtalkers on
the short-lived WWWT in D.C.

Laura Ingraham has had some on from the Left; so has
Hannity (he will refer to it as a "shootout" though) and
callers from the left are usually welcome (witness "Steve From
Montreal", etc. on Howie's show)...even if it's so Howie
can make fun of them...

>>but on the air 
he's just one more rightie.  

And Mr. Olbermann, on the air, is just one more leftie :)



From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 13:50:52 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:50:52 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Donna Halper wrote:
> And it seems we will never again see a meaningful effort to have a 
> "town meeting of the air" the way we once did.  For that, I am very 
> sorry, as I believe the hyper-partisanship of today's meeting is a 
> mixed blessing.  It gets supporters all riled up, but doesn't teach 
> anyone anything new-- which is what talk radio used to be known for...
Hear, hear!  <weak pun intended>  Back in the day I often said that I 
was more interested in the fact that the caller actually had an opinion, 
a passion for a subject, than what the actual opinion was.  Hannity, for 
instance, seems to use his show as a platform for the repetitive 
expression of his talking points -- regardless of whether or not he is 
in his monologue or if a caller is on the line with him -- it is as if 
the caller is just a selected witness to his stated opinion. 

Rush has survived this long not just because of his consistent brand but 
because of his respectful caller utilization and loyalty to his 
show-elements.  Dispute all day about the merits of his viewpoints or 
the potential methodology of call selection, there's not that tension 
that I sense when listening to terrestrial and satellite talk today, of 
all genres. 

What is missing is new blood from the collective caller-pool; it is, 
quite simply, not easy to be a caller. You must be thick-skinned, have a 
load of time on your hands to hold-on, and not care if your first line 
out of the box is followed by a disconnect with no social break in the 
discussion. Today, the caller is merely a byproduct, a foil, a tool, one 
of the masses of the adoring faithful.  It's okay that some PDs or hosts 
themselves may not want to "thank you for the call" the show to death, 
common social amenities or "across the fence" decency would go a long 
way at raising the bar in what has collectively devolved into personal 
forums for weak egos of the under-initiated. 

Sometimes I think about getting back into the studio but the longer I 
examine what has become of talk radio the more I understand why it may 
be slipping in relevancy among media and new media.

Bill O'Neill

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov  8 14:02:54 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:02:54 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>Bob wrote--
>
>And Mr. Olbermann, on the air, is just one more leftie :)

Ah but he's my future husband, so show him some 
respect!!!  8-)   Actually, it's interesting that MSNBC, which is NOT 
in any way leftie in the daytime (in fact, several of its daytime 
hosts have identifiable ties to right-wing candidates and causes), 
got such huge numbers with Keith and Rachel at night-- the myth was 
that nobody would watch or listen to liberals on the air.  Well... 
that's certainly inaccurate, given the big numbers that Keith and 
Rachel are getting-- over the past couple of months, in fact, Keith 
has frequently beaten Bill O'Reilly in the 25-54 demographic, 
according to TVNewser and Editor & Publisher.  And as for radio, the 
very respectable numbers people like Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller 
are getting show that there IS a market for progressive talk in a 
number of cities.

When I said 95% of all talk shows are conservative, Bob, those 
figures are national and they come from my friends at Talkers 
magazine, a generally right-leaning publication which last year for 
the first time gave progressive talker Ed Schultz an award as one of 
the top-5 most influential hosts nationally.  And Ed's local show in 
Fargo, where he is the ONLY liberal on an all rightie station (KFGO) 
also gets huge numbers, even though much of his listenership 
vehemently disagrees with his views.  But he is one of a dying 
breed-- like him or hate him, he includes callers from both sides of 
the issues and has guests from both sides as well.  But no kidding, 
as one who grew up with David Brudnoy and Jerry Williams, I miss the 
reasoned approach, where hosts had strong views but didn't insult 
people who disagreed with them.    


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 14:13:58 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:13:58 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>

>>
Talk
radio is fine as it is and needs no "Fairness Doctrine".
and those who claim to love "freedom of speech" are
wrong to demand that the government do so.)
<<

Sure, talkradio is seen as "fine" by those who hear their own thoughts 
parroted back to them...but that's not what we're talking about.

The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".  The same 
hosts, can continue doing what they have always done.  No one's speech will 
be restricted.

Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want to be 
able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?) 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 14:17:34 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:17:34 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>
>>Bob wrote--
>>
>>And Mr. Olbermann, on the air, is just one more leftie :)
>
> Ah but he's my future husband, so show him some respect!!!  8-) 
> Actually, it's interesting that MSNBC, which is NOT in any way leftie in 
> the daytime (in fact, several of its daytime hosts have identifiable ties 
> to right-wing candidates and causes), got such huge numbers with Keith and 
> Rachel at night-- the myth was that nobody would watch or listen to 
> liberals on the air.

> Well... that's certainly inaccurate, given the big numbers that Keith and 
> Rachel are getting-- over the past couple of months, in fact, Keith has 
> frequently beaten Bill O'Reilly in the 25-54 demographic, according to 
> TVNewser and Editor & Publisher.

They are still basically in last place (even though they have had some 
goodnights). 


From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 14:32:05 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:32:05 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Don A wrote:
> The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".  The same 
> hosts, can continue doing what they have always done.  No one's speech 
> will be restricted.
>
> Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want 
> to be able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?)
If a business is forced to sell a product that it doesn't want to sell 
or if it is forced to give up shelf space to another product, what would 
you call that?

Bill O'Neill

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov  8 14:59:21 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:59:21 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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One thing you might call it--if you were of a mind to do so--is
enforcement of anti-trust regulations. Where the "product" is
information that listeners need to form valid opinions of their own,
you SHOULD call it that. It should be the responsibility of all
trustees of the public resources that disseminate such information
(here I am clearly referring to broadcast licensees) to provide the
public with EQUAL access to ALL relevant information. To the extent
that access to all of the information is less than equal, the
licensees have failed in their responsibility. I think that means that
a licensee should not be able to say that the public can get the other
side of the story somewhere else. Equal access has to be equal.

And the argument that advertisers will support providing access to
only one side of an issue should carry no weight. Licensees who don't
like fulfilling their responsibilitues should feel free to surrender
their broadcast licenses.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>

> If a business is forced to sell a product that it doesn't want to
> sell or if it is forced to give up shelf space to another product,
> what would you call that?
>
> Bill O'Neill


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Nov  8 15:00:22 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:00:22 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
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At 1:37 AM -0500 11/8/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>On 7 Nov 2008 at 1:20, Dave in Boston wrote:
>
>>  Because most of the people he has on his show are Liberals that he
>>  agrees with.
>
>I do believe that Keith sometimes has non-liberals on.  Even when he
>disagrees, he isn't rude like BIllo. 
>

Rachel Maddow has Pat Buchannan on as a regular, they are very polite 
while usually disagreeing on everything.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 15:20:03 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:20:03 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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> Don A wrote:

>> The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".  The same 
>> hosts, can continue doing what they have always done.  No one's speech 
>> will be restricted.
>>
>> Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want to 
>> be able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?)
>
> If a business is forced to sell a product that it doesn't want to sell or 
> if it is forced to give up shelf space to another product, what would you 
> call that?

If someone wants to use the public's airwaves, then they must service the 
community fairly.

What would you call that?

If your local General Store in VT has been given a permit to operate as a 
post office, can they pick and choose who they service?

The idea that broadcasts licenses were licenses to "serve" a community seems 
to be vanishing.







From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 15:17:37 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:17:37 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
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>>>  Because most of the people he has on his show are Liberals that he
>>>  agrees with.
>>
>>I do believe that Keith sometimes has non-liberals on.  Even when he
>>disagrees, he isn't rude like BIllo. 
>>
> 
> Rachel Maddow has Pat Buchannan on as a regular, they are very polite 
> while usually disagreeing on everything.

Very true...and I like Rachel for her civil tone.

I'm waiting for Keith to have on Pat.

;-)


From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 15:33:15 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:33:15 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> It should be the responsibility of all
> trustees of the public resources that disseminate such information
Should not governmental conditions, then, be placed upon all broadcast 
stations evenly regardless of this  man-made thing called 'format'? It 
seems disingenuous to me that if a station simply plugs an iPod into the 
rack and goes fishing then they are free and clear. Introduce a voice 
over a mic  and make lips flap then it's flies on sugar with controls 
over content. Nonsense (in a collegial sort of way).

Bill O'Neill

From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 15:38:04 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:38:04 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Don A wrote:
> The idea that broadcasts licenses were licenses to "serve" a community 
> seems to be vanishing.
>
That's my point, exactly. It is vanishing. Sometimes we just have to let 
go!


I am not happy that radio has devolved to the point that the "trustees" 
need not consider the needs of its local community -- indigenous 
concerns that, ironically, if served by a station, would actually give 
it relevance, market share, and a purpose.  I cut my teeth in radio 28 
years ago when local service mattered.  Even then, however, balancing 
talker viewpoints across the clock misses the point when it comes to 
local service.


Bill O'Neill

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 15:42:46 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:42:46 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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> Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>> It should be the responsibility of all
>> trustees of the public resources that disseminate such information
> Should not governmental conditions, then, be placed upon all broadcast 
> stations evenly regardless of this  man-made thing called 'format'? 

Isnt it? Wasn't it?  

What do you mean?

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 15:46:40 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:46:40 -0500
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> Even then, however, balancing
> talker viewpoints across the clock misses the point when it comes to local 
> service.

Or does it?

If I recall the past when the FD was in effect, everyone was happy if there 
was some semblance of fairness.  Be it with another host, another hour, or 
giving people a moment to respond.

It's quite possible that calling people "murderous muslim towelheads" misses 
the point when it comes to public service too. 


From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 15:57:46 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:57:46 -0500
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Don A wrote:
>> Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>> It should be the responsibility of all
>>> trustees of the public resources that disseminate such information
>> BillO - Should not governmental conditions, then, be placed upon all 
>> broadcast stations evenly regardless of this  man-made thing called 
>> 'format'?
> Don A - Isnt it? Wasn't it? 
> What do you mean?
Per my 'iPod into the air chain' crack, a station that opts to simply 
voice-track recorded music 24/7 from a broom closet in the radio sales 
office can slip by with no interference from the government. Frankly, it 
is conservative talk that is under fire; so, if a station flips to 
'rightie' talk then it opens itself up to scrutiny that it would not 
otherwise face with canned music.  I doubt an Air America or 'leftie' 
assortment on a station would garner any negative interest from regulators.

Bill O'Neill



-- 
I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
/Rodney Dangerfield/

From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 16:01:02 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:01:02 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Don A wrote:
> It's quite possible that calling people "murderous muslim towelheads" 
> misses the point when it comes to public service too.
It also is incendiary and does not make for a stable product and, ergo, 
profitable for the licensee.

Bill O'Neill

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 16:08:41 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:08:41 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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> Don A wrote:
>> It's quite possible that calling people "murderous muslim towelheads" 
>> misses the point when it comes to public service too.
>
> It also is incendiary and does not make for a stable product and, ergo, 
> profitable for the licensee.

Tell that to WRKO and WTKK....since this can be heard eminating from both.


>>
Per my 'iPod into the air chain' crack, a station that opts to simply
voice-track recorded music 24/7 from a broom closet in the radio sales
office can slip by with no interference from the government.
<<

Well, I hardly think that WCRB is going to get hit with FD concerns. 
Althought Mr. Glavin might try.  ;-)


>>Frankly, it is conservative talk that is under fire;

It's not a Righty or Lefty thing.

I am a Conservative, and Donna Halper is a Liberal.  People on both sides 
can agree/disagree with FD.

There are a lot of righty hosts that are crying about the loss of 'freedom 
of speech'....and many people are parroting the same line back over and over 
again.









From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 18:34:27 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:34:27 -0600
Subject: Happy 90th Birthday Fred Cusick
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Best Wishes to a Boston broadcast legend Fred Cusick who turned 90 on Friday.

Best known for Bruins play by play on radio and TV, Fred also at one
time was editorial director at WEEI, news director and sportscaster at
WKBG and a number of other stations. He also did NHL play by play on
CBS Television in the 60's. He was also the PA announcer at Fenway
Park before Sherm Feller and in fact got Sherman the job because Sherm
was having trouble making ends meet.

He wrote a book 2 years ago that is a fascinating snapshot of radio in
Boston after World War II.

It is a shame that he has yet to be honored by the local Hall of Fame.

Happy Birthday Freddie.

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 20:11:58 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:11:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Happy 90th Birthday Fred Cusick
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On Sat, 11/8/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Best known for Bruins play by play on radio and TV, Fred
> also at one
> time was editorial director at WEEI, news director and
> sportscaster at
> WKBG and a number of other stations. He also did NHL play
> by play on
> CBS Television in the 60's. He was also the PA
> announcer at Fenway
> Park before Sherm Feller and in fact got Sherman the job
> because Sherm
> was having trouble making ends meet.
> 
> He wrote a book 2 years ago that is a fascinating snapshot
> of radio in
> Boston after World War II.
> 
> It is a shame that he has yet to be honored by the local
> Hall of Fame.
> 
> Happy Birthday Freddie.

Is he doing any on-air work now? I miss hearing his voice.


      

From paulranderson@charter.net  Sat Nov  8 20:51:36 2008
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:51:36 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
Message-ID: <1389B5AD-EE44-4BBE-8266-6206060752AE@charter.net>

Has anyone noticed that WTIC Hartford has been ordered to switch to  
their nighttime pattern at local sunset instead of Dallas sunset?  A  
friend of mine pointed this out, and the document is at:

     <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/ 
DA-08-2455A1.pdf>

This is because of action filed by two Michigan stations--WCAR Livonia  
(1090) and WOAP Waverly (1080) that feel their signals are being  
interfered with by WTIC's skywave signal between Hartford and Dallas  
sunsets.

Paul

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 21:56:09 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:56:09 -0600
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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Interfered with?

The way I read it was that it had to do with WOAP wanting a power upgrade
and something like that.. I think, lol.

I only skimmed the document.

Paul Walker


On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Anderson <paulranderson@charter.net>wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that WTIC Hartford has been ordered to switch to their
> nighttime pattern at local sunset instead of Dallas sunset?  A friend of
> mine pointed this out, and the document is at:
>
>    <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-2455A1.pdf>
>
> This is because of action filed by two Michigan stations--WCAR Livonia
> (1090) and WOAP Waverly (1080) that feel their signals are being interfered
> with by WTIC's skywave signal between Hartford and Dallas sunsets.
>
> Paul
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Nov  8 22:24:31 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:24:31 -0500
Subject: Carr, Cain honored in Chicago
Message-ID: <20081109032431.1C81649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Am listening right now to Radio hall of Fame induction ceremony. They've done Howie Carr and the posthumous
induction of Jess Cain is upcoming. Howie was introduced by one of Oprah's producers.

Howie thanked his listeners, producers ("like Sandy, who's here tonight"), and really gave a lot of credit
to Jerry Williams. He talked of how thrilled he was to get to work with "the Dean". He told of looking
forward to wi-fi radio in cars, and a montage was played including moments from the Chump Line,
Mayor Menino, and so on.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Nov  8 22:34:32 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:34:32 -0500
Subject: Carr, Cain honored in Chicago
Message-ID: <20081109033432.F317B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>


Cain's induction is on now; montage featuring "Carl Yastrzemski", "I left my
heart in Billerica", etc.

Accepting is his wife, Jean Cain.
"Two of my sons, Jess III and Michael, are here to share with me. We wish Jess
could be here tonight and maybe he is in a way...Jess was born with a talent to amuse
and this became his lifelong calling. During his 39 years in radio he was
intelligent and humorous without being offensive. It is such a thrill to see
him receive this honor. Thank you."

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov  8 22:47:54 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:47:54 -0500
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert S Chase" <attychase@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area


>What's killing local radio as a business model is the bigger bang the same 
>ad can get on the cable. On the other hand, my wife always reads the 
>newspaper for their supermarket inserts and junk ad inserts.

I was recently involved in buying ads for political campaigns on cable.  In 
Maine, Time Warner does ad inserts for very large regional areas and the ads 
are not cheap.  The old days of being able to buy a small local cable area 
are gone.  At least in Maine.  (Except for Comcast that only covers a small 
area in the state.)


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  8 22:52:04 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:52:04 -0500
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
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<<On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:47:54 -0500, "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net> said:

> I was recently involved in buying ads for political campaigns on cable.  In 
> Maine, Time Warner does ad inserts for very large regional areas and the ads 
> are not cheap.  The old days of being able to buy a small local cable area 
> are gone.  At least in Maine.  (Except for Comcast that only covers a small 
> area in the state.)

I was seeing Sununu/Shaheen ads on my local Comcast system here.  They
do seem to have difficult with finding local advertising that's
actually appropriate -- the biggest local cable advertiser here
appears to be a car dealer from an hour away that I'd be quite
surprised if anyone in Framingham ever patronized.

-GAWollman


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov  8 22:54:45 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:54:45 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
> The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".

Yes, it does.  When the government mandated "fairness" is being covered, the 
station can't otherwise speak.

> Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want to 
> be able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?)

No, it is simply the idea of government bureaucrats judging program content 
is downright scary.


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 23:00:14 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:00:14 -0600
Subject: Operating in the public interest for the local area
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Here in Ord, those 2 local cable channels, the community announcement
feeds.. are on the cable system here in Ord/St Paul/Cedar Rapids/North Loup
as Charter has one system for the entire North Loup Valley... but any local
commercials we see are for Grand Island/Kearney business, yet GI and Kearney
don't see our local announcement channels and we don't see theres.

Paul Walker


On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:47:54 -0500, "Dan Billings" <
> billings@suscom-maine.net> said:
>
> > I was recently involved in buying ads for political campaigns on cable.
>  In
> > Maine, Time Warner does ad inserts for very large regional areas and the
> ads
> > are not cheap.  The old days of being able to buy a small local cable
> area
> > are gone.  At least in Maine.  (Except for Comcast that only covers a
> small
> > area in the state.)
>
> I was seeing Sununu/Shaheen ads on my local Comcast system here.  They
> do seem to have difficult with finding local advertising that's
> actually appropriate -- the biggest local cable advertiser here
> appears to be a car dealer from an hour away that I'd be quite
> surprised if anyone in Framingham ever patronized.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From scott@fybush.com  Sat Nov  8 22:09:55 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:09:55 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> Interfered with?
> 
> The way I read it was that it had to do with WOAP wanting a power upgrade
> and something like that.. I think, lol.
> 
> I only skimmed the document.

Here's what's going on:

WTIC can still remain on its daytime non-directional facility until 
Dallas sunset. However, the FCC has decided that it (and other stations 
in a similar situation, which isn't many of them) now only gets 
protection for its nighttime skywave signal, not for the "extra" skywave 
coverage it enjoyed for that hour or so between Hartford and Dallas sunset.

That opened up a little hole for the Michigan station on 1080 to upgrade.

In reality, it probably won't affect WTIC's coverage very much, and not 
at all within the station's home market. But it sets an interesting 
precedent for a further breakdown of skywave protection. It will be 
interesting to see where this all leads.

s

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Nov  8 23:16:15 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:16:15 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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<<On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:09:55 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> WTIC can still remain on its daytime non-directional facility until 
> Dallas sunset. However, the FCC has decided that it (and other stations 
> in a similar situation, which isn't many of them) now only gets 
> protection for its nighttime skywave signal, not for the "extra" skywave 
> coverage it enjoyed for that hour or so between Hartford and Dallas sunset.

Which other stations?  The only one I can think of are New
York/Bakersfield (1560).  Is Baltimore/Little Rock (1090) another one
of those?

-GAWollman


From songbook24@gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 00:21:43 2008
From: songbook24@gmail.com (Russ Butler)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:21:43 -0800
Subject: Future of Journalism
Message-ID: <49167367.7070309@gmail.com>

Reading the posts about "Righty" and "Lefty" talk show hosts, perhaps 
list members would like to know that today, on C-SPAN's "American 
Perspectives"series, there was a panel discussion on "The Future of 
Journalism." i.e.:  The future of print and broadcast in a changing world!

Radio-TV talk show hosts were part of the discussion, as was new media's 
position in the marketplace, newspapers, radio stations, et al.  
Interesting responses to the audience's questions.

It was a C-SPAN pick up of The National Press Club with panelists Dan 
Rather of HDNet; Jill Abramson, NYTimes Managing Editor; Tom Curley, CEO 
Associated Press and Jay Rosen, NYU Journalism professor.  The NYU 
Journalism Institute was the host.  _www.c-span.org_ to watch a replay.



From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Nov  9 00:28:07 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:28:07 -0500
Subject: Moderator traveling
Message-ID: <18710.29927.393089.706658@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

I'll be spending the next week in sunny Southern California.  This
means that any messages that come in which require moderator approval
are likely to sit in the queue for a while.  Please be patient, and
please don't start any raging flame wars while I'm gone.

-GAWollman

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Nov  8 22:15:39 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:15:39 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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>>Has anyone noticed that WTIC Hartford has been ordered to switch to
their nighttime pattern at local sunset instead of Dallas sunset?  A
friend of mine pointed this out, and the document is at:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-2455A1.pdf

This is because of action filed by two Michigan stations--WCAR Livonia
(1090) and WOAP Waverly (1080) that feel their signals are being
interfered with by WTIC's skywave signal between Hartford and Dallas
sunsets.<<

That is NOT what it says.  The only part of WTIC's license that's being modified is its entitlement to skywave protection between Hartford sunset and Dallas sunset (in FCC parlance, its "extended daytime operation").  The license modification will specify groundwave-only protection during those hours.  Its power/pattern change times are NOT affected.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI - WEEI-FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI - WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 02:18:20 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:18:20 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>> The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".
>
> Yes, it does.  When the government mandated "fairness" is being covered, 
> the station can't otherwise speak.

There is nothing in the law that restricts content.  People are free to 
continue doing whatever shows they are doing now.  No one could be 
restricted from continuing to do shows they do now.


>> Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want to 
>> be able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?)
>
> No, it is simply the idea of government bureaucrats judging program 
> content is downright scary.

Where does it say that "Govt Beauracrats" would  be "judging program 
content"?

There are a lot of falsehoods and fears being circulated (like the above). 
Most of them unfounded.


Does anyone remember all these problems prior to it being rescinded?

Does anyone remember stations claiming their free speech was being violated?

 


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Nov  9 01:24:01 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:24:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
Message-ID: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm making my maiden voyage next week to Ireland. While I will have family with me, I'm gonna sneak off for a day to do some driving. I'll be mostly in the north of Ireland (flying into Dublin) and Northern Ireland. 

What's the radio landscape like? Any interesting stations I can listen to?

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!


      

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 02:32:44 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:32:44 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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You might wanna check out www.radiostationworld.com for some listings of
stations and their websites.

Also ,go to www.mediauk.com and sign up for their Discussions.. they are
really well versed in that stuff there..

Paul


On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:

> I'm making my maiden voyage next week to Ireland. While I will have family
> with me, I'm gonna sneak off for a day to do some driving. I'll be mostly in
> the north of Ireland (flying into Dublin) and Northern Ireland.
>
> What's the radio landscape like? Any interesting stations I can listen to?
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all advice!
>

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Nov  9 03:02:47 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:02:47 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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Don A wrote:
> 
>>> The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict "freedom of speech".
>>
>> Yes, it does.  When the government mandated "fairness" is being 
>> covered, the station can't otherwise speak.
> 
> There is nothing in the law that restricts content.  People are free to 
> continue doing whatever shows they are doing now.  No one could be 
> restricted from continuing to do shows they do now.
> 
> 
>>> Why people are so against the FD is beyond me.  (Is it that they want 
>>> to be able to broadcast "UN-fairly"?)
>>
>> No, it is simply the idea of government bureaucrats judging program 
>> content is downright scary.
> 
> Where does it say that "Govt Beauracrats" would  be "judging program 
> content"?
> 

Well, what happened in the good old days?   Did no one ever complain 
that a station was violating the "Fairness Doctrine"?  If there were 
such complaints, how were they adjudicated, by whom, and according to 
what standards?   What was the potential penalty for non-compliance?

As long as the costs and risks of bring judged out of compliance are 
non-trivial, people have a reasonable basis for being concerned about 
the resulting "chilling effect".

--RC


From blainethompson@gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 19:16:03 2008
From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:16:03 -0500
Subject: Happy 90th Birthday Fred Cusick
Message-ID: <7bded94e0811081616j1ddf347crc4eb9dd2ff0f2b95@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> He wrote a book 2 years ago that is a fascinating snapshot of radio in
Boston after World War II.

Is the book "Voice of the Bruins: 60 Years in Boston Sports"?

- Blaine

From bill.smith@comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 05:14:20 2008
From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:14:20 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20811090214v163918eejcb608450123785a0@mail.gmail.com>

Never, ever, forget that Dan Rea's baptism in broadcasting  came when the
suits at Group W became nervous about Jerry's anti-war  commentary and its
implications under the Nixon regime for Westinghouse Electric. Rea was a
leader of Young Americans for Freedom  (YAF), a  right-wing group ostensibly
devoted to show the world that all of America's Youth wasn't wild-eyed
radicals.  Rea was of the Gordon Nelson style of right-wing kookery, but
managed, somehow, to travel from his seat as an opinionated right-wing talk
show host down the hall to "respected journalist" in television. (Just try
to imagine the right-wing bloviating that would result today if a liberal
talk show host became a reporter on a traditional TV newcast.)  Group W
wasn't required by  by  equal time requirements per se to air the  Rea radio
show, but the existence of the Fairness Doctrine meant the general operating
philosopies of broadcasters included the notion that you really needed to
give airtime to divergent opinions lest you  be reduced to seat-squirming
during ascertainment and license-renewal. This presumption that the license
carried with it the need to be fair extended beyond the paper calculation of
equal time requirements to a general belief that in serving the public
interest, necessity and convenience, broadcasters had an affirmative
obligation to present varying points of view.

Like it or not, if there was no fairness doctrine in the 1970s, Dan Rea
would be just another lawyer.

The manner in which the fairness doctrine argument is being framed today is
absurd.  It doesn't mean that if you air hour of Severin  you have to
balance his nonsense with an hour of the points of view he doesn't represent
(such as intelligence). It  does mean you have to allow reasonable
opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of public importance.
 The right wing nutbags are trying to re-frame the issue as censorship,
forgetting that their argument for gutting the fairness doctrine was the
wide array of broadcast voices being heard during the days of 7-7-7.
 Boston's  broadcasters of  the  70s,  included not only the chains CBS, RKO
General, Blair, Group W, General Electric and  Plough, but also smaller,
regional and local operators such as Champion, Richman Bros., Tarlow,
McCormack, Puritan, Park City, Gowdy,  Hastings, Pilgrim/Carter,
Sheridan/Nash,   Lerner, Fairbanks, and Jones/Charles River.  Broadcast
radio voices today are reduced to Entercom, Greater Media, CBS, and Clear
Channel with the token presence on marginal signals of Salem and Nassau.

The argument we heard two decades ago for abolishing the fairness doctrine
on the ground that many voices were being heard over broadcast radio
stations has been tossed onto the scrap heap of history. The idea that
broadcast 'voices' are limited because ownership limits have been trashed in
favor of greed.   As a result, the wackos of the right have reframed the
issue as one of censorship.  Don't for a minute think this issue bursting
onto the public stage has anything to do with the fairness doctrine OR
censorship. It's  all about having another false issue with which to taunt
the center/left and to use in inciting their Birchite core audience with the
absurd notion that fairness means they'll be muzzled, or that Rush will be
banned from speaking out or will be forced to give hours of time to
America-hating-Arab-extremists. It's pure, unadulterated drivel. What is
 remarkable is that the right wingers are apparently succeeding in their
attempt to falsely re-cast the issue, and how blithely  people who should
know better are allowing the issue to be framed as one of censorship by the
right wing nutbags when  the real issue is access -- ironically, the very
antithesis of censorship..

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 06:31:30 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:31:30 -0600
Subject: Happy 90th Birthday Fred Cusick
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He was doing Cape Cod League games on the internet as recently as last year.

Professor Halper you might want to see if WBZ still has a copy of his
radio call of Bobby Orr winning the Stanley Cup in 1970.

On 11/8/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11/8/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Best known for Bruins play by play on radio and TV, Fred
>> also at one
>> time was editorial director at WEEI, news director and
>> sportscaster at
>> WKBG and a number of other stations. He also did NHL play
>> by play on
>> CBS Television in the 60's. He was also the PA
>> announcer at Fenway
>> Park before Sherm Feller and in fact got Sherman the job
>> because Sherm
>> was having trouble making ends meet.
>>
>> He wrote a book 2 years ago that is a fascinating snapshot
>> of radio in
>> Boston after World War II.
>>
>> It is a shame that he has yet to be honored by the local
>> Hall of Fame.
>>
>> Happy Birthday Freddie.
>
> Is he doing any on-air work now? I miss hearing his voice.
>
>
>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 06:41:57 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:41:57 -0600
Subject: Carr, Cain honored in Chicago
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Another talent with a Boston connection was honored last night as well
Charley Tuna worked for Mac Richmond at WMEX. When WRKO flipped to Top
40 Tuna was the one jock that was beating WRKO.

Bill Drake wanted him to go to WRKO but of course Mac had a
non-compete clause for the Boston market. So Drake hired him for KHJ
in Los Angeles and now you know the rest of the story.

On 11/8/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Cain's induction is on now; montage featuring "Carl Yastrzemski", "I left my
> heart in Billerica", etc.
>
> Accepting is his wife, Jean Cain.
> "Two of my sons, Jess III and Michael, are here to share with me. We wish
> Jess
> could be here tonight and maybe he is in a way...Jess was born with a talent
> to amuse
> and this became his lifelong calling. During his 39 years in radio he was
> intelligent and humorous without being offensive. It is such a thrill to see
> him receive this honor. Thank you."
>

From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov  9 06:53:49 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:53:49 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>>Well, what happened in the good old days?   Did no one ever complain
that a station was violating the "Fairness Doctrine"?  If there were
such complaints, how were they adjudicated, by whom, and according to
what standards?<<

One such complaint became a Supreme Court case:

http://epic.org/free_speech/red_lion.html


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI - WEEI-FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI - WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 07:50:31 2008
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:50:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> 
> Which other stations?  The only one I can think of are New
> York/Bakersfield (1560).  Is Baltimore/Little Rock (1090)
> another one
> of those?

    KFAB, Omaha, 1110, switches back to daytime, non-directional, at sunrise at Charlotte.

From paulranderson@charter.net  Sun Nov  9 09:06:56 2008
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:06:56 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
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On Nov 8, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> That is NOT what it says.  The only part of WTIC's license that's  
> being modified is its entitlement to skywave protection between  
> Hartford sunset and Dallas sunset (in FCC parlance, its "extended  
> daytime operation").  The license modification will specify  
> groundwave-only protection during those hours.  Its power/pattern  
> change times are NOT affected.

My apologies, then, for misinterpreting the document.  My friend, a  
fellow former Hartford broadcaster, sent me the link with the  
conclusion that WTIC would have to change their pattern earlier.

So this license modification could allow a change to WTIC's pattern in  
the future?  What will the two Michigan stations gain, if anything,  
from this, either now or in the future?

Paul

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov  9 09:56:22 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:56:22 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Sean Smyth wrote:
> I'm making my maiden voyage next week to Ireland. While I will have
> family with me, I'm gonna sneak off for a day to do some driving.
> I'll be mostly in the north of Ireland (flying into Dublin) and
> Northern Ireland.
> 
> What's the radio landscape like? Any interesting stations I can
> listen to?

Ay, lad, 'tis a very different radio landscape you'll be goin' to. :-)

In Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK), there are a handful of 
national services and a welter of much smaller local signals.

Five of the national services are operated by the BBC: Radio 1 (heard 
between 97-99 MHz on FM) is the "youth" (top-40, etc.) channel, Radio 2 
(88-91 FM) is the pop service (roughly equivalent to a personality AC 
over here), Radio 3 (90-93 FM) is the serious music channel, Radio 4 
(92-95 FM and 198 kHz LW) is...well, it's Radio 4, with a mixture of 
news and talk that's roughly equivalent to NPR over here, but with lots 
of other "spoken-word" content we just don't get here, including radio 
drama, book readings, comedy shows, etc. Radio 5 Live is on medium-wave, 
at 693 and 909 kHz, with talk and sports.

The other national services are commercial: Talksport, at 1053 and 1089 
kHz, which is just what the name suggest; Absolute Radio (ex-Virgin 
Radio) at 1215 kHz, which is a pop-music service; and Classic FM 
(100-102 FM), which is classical.

Each of these services is broadcast over hundreds of transmitter sites 
across the UK, and the RDS function that's universal on car radios in 
Europe allows them to follow the network from transmitter to transmitter 
as you drive, making it possible to tune in to Radio 2, let's say, as 
you leave London and keep hearing it non-stop all the way to Wales or 
Scotland without needing to constantly re-tune the radio manually.

The BBC also operates regional and local services, which tend to mix 
local news and talk shows with rather bland middle-of-the-road music. In 
Northern Ireland, there's Radio Ulster (92-95 FM and 1341 kHz AM) and a 
smaller regional service, Radio Foyle, at 792 kHz and 93.1 FM from the 
northwestern corner of Ulster.

(I should note that the 1341 kHz service comes from a tower at 
Lisnagarvey that is apparently the only Blaw-Knox "diamond" tower in 
western Europe. If your travels take you that way, Garrett and I would 
both love to see pictures!)

Then there's local commercial radio. These stations tend to be MUCH 
lower in power than most of our commercial stations - anywhere from 50 
watts up to a maximum of only a few thousand watts. They're found 
between 95-100 and 102-108 on the FM dial, and tend to be rather similar 
(but for the accent) to our commercial formats over here.

On to the Irish Republic: RTE, the government broadcaster, operates four 
national services. RTE Radio 1 is the spoken-word service, heard at 
88-90 FM and 252 kHz LW. RTE 2fm is pop music, heard at 90-92 FM. RTE 
Lyric FM is classical and jazz, at 96-99 FM. And RT? Raidi? na 
Gaeltachta is the Gaelic-language service, heard at 92-94 FM.

No medium-wave radio is left in the Irish Republic - the last RTE 
transmitters went dark back in March.

Ireland also has a national commercial FM service, Today FM, at 100-102 
on the dial, as well as numerous lower-powered commercial stations in 
the upper reaches of the FM dial.

Two more notes: on both long-wave and medium-wave, you'll be able to 
hear lots of other signals from Europe at night. Among the more 
prominent are BBC Radio Scotland at 810 kHz, BBC Radio Wales at 882 kHz, 
Luxembourg at 1440 kHz and several powerful Dutch transmitters at 675 
and 747 kHz. On LW, France is at 162 and 216 kHz with a huge signal, 
Germany at 183 and 207, Luxembourg at 234. Most car radios over there 
still get LW.

And if you can get your hands on a "DAB" receiver, which are much more 
widely available in stores over there than they are here, you can listen 
to a pretty broad spectrum of digital services in both Northern Ireland 
and the Republic. They use "Band III", the VHF frequencies around 200 
MHz that were taken out of TV service over there. The BBC, for instance, 
has a "bouquet" of digital services that includes simulcasts of the 
national channels plus several additional music channels (1Xtra, which 
serves black listeners, and Radio 6, a sort of AAA), as well as channels 
for kids and one that does nothing but replay classic BBC programming. 
Many of these services are also broadcast over satellite, where they 
probably enjoy a bigger audience than they do over terrestrial digital.

Enjoy the trip!

s


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sun Nov  9 10:15:20 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:15:20 -0500
Subject: oops, off list (was re: RHOF)
Message-ID: <20081109151520.92D3983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Apologies; a post I just made was supp. to be off list, but I thought it was for the list (the
b-r-i was Cc:ed, so...) --Bob

From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov  9 10:33:20 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:33:20 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
In-Reply-To: <8DA35220-B264-4A00-9E99-C410FAB52BDE@charter.net>
References: <1389B5AD-EE44-4BBE-8266-6206060752AE@charter.net>
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>>So this license modification could allow a change to WTIC's pattern in
the future?<<

Chances are that the only modifications the FCC will allow WTIC involve interference reduction (what the FCC calls "ratcheting") for their nighttime (directional) facilities.  It's the FCC's attempt to lessen the generalized interference (which, of course, they allowed before) among AM stations on a band that is severely overloaded.  Any application for modified AM facilities must, where possible, specify that the applied-for operation will result in some sort of lessened interference to other stations.

>>What will the two Michigan stations gain, if anything,
from this, either now or in the future?<<

The two stations came to an agreement on a modification of their facilities, which would in the case of WOAP increase skywave interference to WTIC during daytime hours, including the extended daytime operation WTIC is permitted due to the fact that the station they're protecting (co-channel KRLD/Dallas) is one time zone west of WTIC.  The 1941 license modification for WTIC permitting such operation never stated what protection that operation is afforded, but the FCC's rules on daytime operation have historically provided only groundwave protection for daytime operations.  Both Michigan stations gain covered area and WCAR gains covered population, which is always a plus where modified facilities are concerned, and a substantial reduction in mutual interference covering a population of over 900,000, which takes care of the ratcheting requirement.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI - WEEI-FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI - WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 10:47:40 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:47:40 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>

Scott pretty much summed it up. In Galway you will be surprised to
hear WWZN booming in at 1510 like a local once sunset hits Waltham.
It was by far the strongest US signal and I also heard WFAN faintly
and the late CBA.

Enjoy the motherland.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Nov  9 10:19:56 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:19:56 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
References: <316946.77283.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <204342BF1CE04496B5CDFA19F5C1F7A9@SatU205S5044>

You've got it wrong, and if WTIC is changing patterns at Hartford
sunset, THEY'VE got it wrong, too. I read the FCC order. What it says
is that, from Hartford sunset to Dallas sunset, WTIC's nighttime
skywave coverage is protected only to the limits of its 0.5 mV/m 50%
skywave coverage that exists when the night pattern is in use. WTIC
can continue to change patterns at Hartford sunset but for the 45 to
75 minutes of post-sunset ND operation, only part of the 0.5 mV/m 50%
skywave contour will be protected. A contributor to the FCC's logic
was that this situation is already in effect. At least two stations,
one of them in Pittsburgh, already interfere with the western portions
of WTIC's post-sunset skywave coverage between Hartford sunset and
their own local sunsets.

The situation that exists on 1080 does not exist on 1090. WBAL changes
patterns at Baltimore sunset. Similarly, WWVA changes patterns at
Wheeling sunset and whatever 1500 in DC's calls are this week, it
changes patterns at DC sunset. The other frequencies that have
arrangements similar to that on 1080 are 1530 (WCKY goes to night
pattern at Sacramento sunset) and 1560 (WQEW goes to night pattern at
Bakersfield sunset). The reverse situation exists on 1110 (KFAB goes
ND at Charlotte sunrise).

The interesting thing about the 1080 situation is that it was brought
about by an application from a station in central Michigan (WOAP), a
daytimer that is upgrading from 1 kW ND-D to 50 kW DA-D and is
constructing a six-tower array for the purpose. WOAP wanted to use the
array at night as well with 4500W and even volunteered to go dark from
its local sunset to Dallas sunset. The FCC originally rejected that
part of WOAP's application but reversed itself on appeal. Thing is,
whether the FCC had reversed itself or not, most of the damage to WTIC
would have been done by WOAP's day operation. Due to its westerly
location within the Eastern time zone (and northerly latitude with
respect to Dallas), Waverley MI's local sunset must come at
approximately the same time as Dallas sunset--at least during the
summer.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Waters" <martinjwaters@yahoo.com>
To: <wollman@bimajority.org>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier


> --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>>
>> Which other stations?  The only one I can think of are New
>> York/Bakersfield (1560).  Is Baltimore/Little Rock (1090)
>> another one
>> of those?
>
>    KFAB, Omaha, 1110, switches back to daytime, non-directional, at
> sunrise at Charlotte.


From map@mapinternet.com  Sun Nov  9 09:59:19 2008
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:59:19 -0500
Subject: WTIC loses CT sunset to TX sunset protection
References: <1389B5AD-EE44-4BBE-8266-6206060752AE@charter.net>
Message-ID: <305C8A713F33447B91CB063F1E73E040@yourm3vezyx8af>

The referenced document does not say that WTIC has to go to night power at 
Hartford sunset but, that WTIC loses protection for the additional area 
covered by it's non-directional signal extended after Hartford's sunset 
until the Dallas sunset. The modification does not order WTIC to make any 
changes to its operation.

So, as a practical matter, WTIC may encounter some additional interference 
in its western (non-nightime groundwave) coverage areas between Hartford and 
Dallas sunset.

Mark Casey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Anderson" <paulranderson@charter.net>
To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier


Has anyone noticed that WTIC Hartford has been ordered to switch to
their nighttime pattern at local sunset instead of Dallas sunset?  A
friend of mine pointed this out, and the document is at:

     <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/
DA-08-2455A1.pdf>

This is because of action filed by two Michigan stations--WCAR Livonia
(1090) and WOAP Waverly (1080) that feel their signals are being
interfered with by WTIC's skywave signal between Hartford and Dallas
sunsets.

Paul



From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov  9 11:09:57 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:09:57 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49170B55.6010209@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Scott pretty much summed it up. In Galway you will be surprised to
> hear WWZN booming in at 1510 like a local once sunset hits Waltham.
> It was by far the strongest US signal and I also heard WFAN faintly
> and the late CBA.
> 
> Enjoy the motherland.
> 

Ah yes - forgot about the trans-Atlantic reception! I'm given to 
understand that 1540 from Albany is also a fairly regular catch over there.

s

From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Sun Nov  9 12:20:57 2008
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:20:57 -0500
Subject: WTIC must switch to night pattern earlier
In-Reply-To: <204342BF1CE04496B5CDFA19F5C1F7A9@SatU205S5044>
References: <316946.77283.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<204342BF1CE04496B5CDFA19F5C1F7A9@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <385B3B84-9CD8-4A6C-BC04-3CB69E72BE45@frontiernet.net>


On Nov 9, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> Due to its westerly
> location within the Eastern time zone (and northerly latitude with
> respect to Dallas), Waverley MI's local sunset must come at
> approximately the same time as Dallas sunset--at least during the
> summer.



Actually, I was half tempted to guess that Michigan's sunset in the  
summer might even have a chance of being *later* than the Dallas  
sunset in late June, but not so.

Using one of many internet sunrise / sunset calculator sites, I find:

City						Dec. 21 local sunset			June 21 local sunset
_________________		________________			_________________

Owasso, MI				17:05						21:19

Dallas, TX				17:25						20:39

On the assumption that Owasso is on EST in the winter and EDT in the  
summer, it looks like the Michigan sunset is still about 20 minutes  
earlier than Dallas sunset on the longest day of the year, versus 80  
minutes earlier on the shortest.

Bud Hippisley




From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Nov  9 12:38:00 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:38:00 -0500
Subject: Happy 90th Birthday Fred Cusick
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811090331m3b3f1bb6u5643e211f96e6ce3@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <4fc429770811081534p640fb09co78c3e9a136e62d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<758774.12490.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4fc429770811090331m3b3f1bb6u5643e211f96e6ce3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081109173807.ED8A41D46BD@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

At 06:31 AM 11/9/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>He was doing Cape Cod League games on the internet as recently as last year.
>
>Professor Halper you might want to see if WBZ still has a copy of his
>radio call of Bobby Orr winning the Stanley Cup in 1970.

I have no idea what, if anything, has still be preserved over at 
WBZ-- as Scott will tell you, lots of stuff has long since been 
thrown away (sigh).  But I woudl suggest that you ask Peter Casey. 


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Nov  9 13:06:01 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:06:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <206521.32977.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 11/9/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> (I should note that the 1341 kHz service comes from a tower
> at Lisnagarvey that is apparently the only Blaw-Knox
> "diamond" tower in western Europe. If your travels
> take you that way, Garrett and I would both love to see
> pictures!)

Figured you would want some photos somewhere along the line. :-) Looks like family isn't terribly far away from there -- though when I typed Lisnagarvey in Google maps, I got results for Lisbon, N. Ireland. Provided the camera gets out of the shop in time and provided I find the tower site, it shouldn't be a problem. 

And thanks for the advice! Same for Kevin and Paul. I was expecting it to be BBC-dominated, of course, and I will have to check out some of the other services. I can listen to News Hour back home if I really want to. 


      

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov  9 14:44:54 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:44:54 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <206521.32977.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <206521.32977.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49173DB6.6050905@fybush.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:
> On Sun, 11/9/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>> (I should note that the 1341 kHz service comes from a tower at
>> Lisnagarvey that is apparently the only Blaw-Knox "diamond" tower
>> in western Europe. If your travels take you that way, Garrett and I
>> would both love to see pictures!)
> 
> Figured you would want some photos somewhere along the line. :-)
> Looks like family isn't terribly far away from there -- though when I
> typed Lisnagarvey in Google maps, I got results for Lisbon, N.
> Ireland. Provided the camera gets out of the shop in time and
> provided I find the tower site, it shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> And thanks for the advice! Same for Kevin and Paul. I was expecting
> it to be BBC-dominated, of course, and I will have to check out some
> of the other services. I can listen to News Hour back home if I
> really want to.

I suppose I should drop in the link here to the granddaddy of all 
tower-hunting websites. Mike Brown's efforts in the UK put me and 
Garrett and anyone else on this side of the pond to shame (and he's a 
nice guy, too...)

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/

(Allow several hours - you'll get hooked on this very quickly!)

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 11:47:54 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:47:54 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <49170B55.6010209@fybush.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49170B55.6010209@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811090847w7c7491c6l1c4c4c909c86123a@mail.gmail.com>

There was a British jock who got a job at CFOX in Montreal back in the
60's. Roger Scott left CFOX for WPTR Albany because the station was
popular back home. Roger's biggest thrill was being one of the 3 MC's
at the Beatles concert at Suffolk Downs ( Arnie Ginsburg and Bruce
Bradley were the others )

Roger sadly died at a very young age.



On 11/9/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> Scott pretty much summed it up. In Galway you will be surprised to
>> hear WWZN booming in at 1510 like a local once sunset hits Waltham.
>> It was by far the strongest US signal and I also heard WFAN faintly
>> and the late CBA.
>>
>> Enjoy the motherland.
>>
>
> Ah yes - forgot about the trans-Atlantic reception! I'm given to
> understand that 1540 from Albany is also a fairly regular catch over there.
>
> s
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  9 16:13:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:13:08 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <20081108153831.BD69A83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081108153831.BD69A83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <49170C14.23957.801D9B@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 8 Nov 2008 at 10:38, Bob Nelson wrote:

> The point was made about Air America in another comment to the
> article. There was a comment wondering if Elman, etc., was angry
> that AAR didn't survive, 

Huh?  Last I heard AAR was still around.  Though I know it was 
cancelled in Boston.  But it certainly sounded alive and well on WHMP 
when I was in Western Massachusetts a couple of weeks ago.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  9 16:13:08 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:13:08 -0500
Subject: SNL spoofs Keith Olbermann's Countdown.
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c53b9ff25435@[192.168.0.100]>
References: <20081104191321.8D9A81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4914ED63.16651.98DBF5@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<p06240800c53b9ff25435@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <49170C14.804.801ED4@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 8 Nov 2008 at 15:00, Larry Weil wrote:

> Rachel Maddow has Pat Buchannan on as a regular, they are very polite
> while usually disagreeing on everything.

Yes, and I remember her having someone on from the McCain campaign 
and being similarly polite.  In fact, it was mentioned that she was 
trying for some time to get someone from the McCain campaign on.

I must confess, I can't remember any specific instances of 
conservatives being on Keith Olbernan's show, but there are others 
around here who watch it more often than I do.

I must say, I find Keith's ranting style a bit tiresome even when I 
agree with him.  I like Rachel's style a lot better.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  9 16:13:09 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:13:09 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <91420D530B0742439145E799807094B0@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<91420D530B0742439145E799807094B0@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <49170C15.26121.801F8F@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 8 Nov 2008 at 15:46, Don A wrote:

> If I recall the past when the FD was in effect, everyone was happy if
> there was some semblance of fairness.  Be it with another host,
> another hour, or giving people a moment to respond.
 
Sometime in the early 1980s, when I appeared on a WBUR talk show with 
Boston landlord Harold Brown, Brown made a derogatory remark about 
the then-assistant clerk in the Brookline District Court.  I defended 
the clerk, but I later learned that WBUR sent a cassette of the 
broadcast to the clerk and asked if he wanted to respond.  I don't 
believe he chose to, but it's good that he was asked.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 17:54:13 2008
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:54:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Early Xmas
In-Reply-To: <18708.27757.775906.599815@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <241335.42412.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

> <<On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:25:11 -0500, Larry Weil
> <kc1ih@mac.com> said:
> 
> > I recently took a look at the Dr. Demento web
> site, it listed exactly 
> > seven stations that carry his program.


To which  Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
replied, on Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:27:25:
 
> This is apparently a result of him leaving The House
> That Norm Built
> and switching to a different syndicator who is hated
> by nearly
> everyone in the business near as I can tell.

Recent events, as far as I've been able to determine,
are what have really made the show's affiliate total
so small.  WPYX (106.5) in Albany NY carried the Dr
Demento show for many years, and it had a fairly
significant following in this area (I first listened
to it while I was in high school on this station). 
However in the last 2 years they, as well as just
about every other station I knew of that carried the
show, dropped it.  The story I got was that it had
switched syndicators again to this company called
Thelonian Productions.  They came up with this
"brilliant" idea that people would rather pay each
week to hear the show streamed over the internet
instead of hearing it on the radio.  So they
eliminated the barter option for the radio show, and
issued a directive to all remaining affiliates that
the show was not to be streamed over the internet
whatsoever (unless it was through their pay-by-week
website).  Needless to say, most remaining affiliates
dropped it because of these new terms.  
    In addition to WPYX dropping the show during this
time, I also believe WKIT (100.3) Bangor ME dropped it
for the same reason after carrying it for many years.

                              Matt Osborne
                              Schenectady, NY


      

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Nov  9 20:21:24 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:21:24 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro>
	<D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC>
	<DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>; "BostonRadio 
Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...


> There is nothing in the law that restricts content.  People are free to 
> continue doing whatever shows they are doing now.  No one could be 
> restricted from continuing to do shows they do now.

There are only 24 hours per day.  If one of those hours is being used for 
"fairness" it can't be used for something else.  That restricts speech.


> Where does it say that "Govt Beauracrats" would  be "judging program 
> content"?

If someone complains that a station is not being "fair", someone is going to 
judge that complaint.


From Cdsull502@aol.com  Sun Nov  9 21:33:08 2008
From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:33:08 EST
Subject: Roy Leonard
Message-ID: <c05.4e0f8566.3648f764@aol.com>

I noticed that WGN legend Roy Leonard introduced Jess Cain's widow  at the 
Radio Hall of Fame ceremonies last night.  He spoke of working  at WHDH with 
Jess and others.   My Boston memories of him only  remember him at WNAC.   When 
was he at WHDH and what did he do there?  I assume it was prior to his work at  
WNAC.     
 
Chris  Sullivan
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From dave@skywaves.net  Sun Nov  9 22:29:58 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:29:58 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com><4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49170B55.6010209@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>

In the late 1960s, I worked at 5KW WOKO 1460 in Albany and 50KW WGY 810 in 
Schenectady. I also applied at one point to work at 50KW WPTR 1540.

WOKO got QSL cards from Scandanavia on a regular basis. Its night pattern 
put most of the energy to the NNE, and the great circle path put the signal 
right in the path of Northern Europe.

I never saw a single QSL card from Europe for WGY. There was a strong signal 
on the frequency in the UK, as I recall.

I lived about six or seven miles from WPTR. I could not hear the station at 
all at night, because I was in one of its deep nulls. Nearly all of that 
station's pattern was oriented roughly to the northeast. I heard that WPTR 
had a pretty massive QSL card collection in those days.

Now that medium wave has become passe in much of Europe and Canada, it might 
be surprising to hear some of our stations coming in clearly "over the 
pond."

-d


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Radio in Ireland and the UK.


>
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> Scott pretty much summed it up. In Galway you will be surprised to
>> hear WWZN booming in at 1510 like a local once sunset hits Waltham.
>> It was by far the strongest US signal and I also heard WFAN faintly
>> and the late CBA.
>>
>> Enjoy the motherland.
>>
>
> Ah yes - forgot about the trans-Atlantic reception! I'm given to 
> understand that 1540 from Albany is also a fairly regular catch over 
> there.
>
> s
>
> 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 00:41:56 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:41:56 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro>
	<33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>

>> There is nothing in the law that restricts content.  People are free to 
>> continue doing whatever shows they are doing now.  No one could be 
>> restricted from continuing to do shows they do now.
>
> There are only 24 hours per day.  If one of those hours is being used for 
> "fairness" it can't be used for something else.

Again, it wont need to be if broadcasters are not being un-fair.

But, right......there are only so many hours in the day...another reason we 
should have the fairness doctrine.

Airtime and spectrum space are limited resources.


>> Where does it say that "Govt Beaureacrats" would  be "judging program 
>> content"?
>
> If someone complains that a station is not being "fair", someone is going 
> to judge that complaint.

Is a "judge" a government beaureacrat?

It has always been the domain of a judge to address justice......if 
something went so far as to go to court (very few ever have).

I don't know when judges became "beaureacarat".





From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 10 08:12:23 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:12:23 -0500
Subject: Roy Leonard
References: <c05.4e0f8566.3648f764@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B95BD0885AE74E16936FC58B233F5DD7@SatU205S5044>

He was at WHDH prior to WNAC. I don't remember whether he went to CJAD
between WHDH and WNAC or whether Montreal was a detour on his way from
WNAC to WGN. I think it was the latter. At WHDH, he hosted the Two and
Eight Date, which ran from 2:00 to 4:00PM and 8:00 to 10:00PM daily.
The idea of having air personalities on a split schedule seemed to
originate at WNEW (AM), where first Martin Bloch and then Jerry
Marshall and Willam B Williams and others were on with the Make
Believe Ballroom from 10:00AM to noon and then 5:35 to 7:00 or 7:30PM.
I think WNEW GM Bernice Judis gets credit for that idea, which was
widely copied, though perhaps first copied at WHDH.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cdsull502@aol.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:33 PM
Subject: Roy Leonard


>I noticed that WGN legend Roy Leonard introduced Jess Cain's widow
>at the
> Radio Hall of Fame ceremonies last night.  He spoke of working  at
> WHDH with
> Jess and others.   My Boston memories of him only  remember him at
> WNAC.   When
> was he at WHDH and what did he do there?  I assume it was prior to
> his work at
> WNAC.
>
> Chris  Sullivan
> CdSull502@aol.com
> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and
> all other
> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov 10 12:20:53 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:20:53 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com><4fc429770811090747m8870a55p6b4bbf9ce42b9af3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49170B55.6010209@fybush.com>
	<5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>
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Dave Doherty wrote:
> In the late 1960s, I worked at 5KW WOKO 1460 in Albany and 50KW WGY 810 
> in Schenectady. I also applied at one point to work at 50KW WPTR 1540.
> 
> WOKO got QSL cards from Scandanavia on a regular basis. Its night 
> pattern put most of the energy to the NNE, and the great circle path put 
> the signal right in the path of Northern Europe.
> 
> I never saw a single QSL card from Europe for WGY. There was a strong 
> signal on the frequency in the UK, as I recall.

That was probably the critical factor - at the time, 809 kHz would have 
been one of the frequencies in Europe's 9 kHz spacing, later changed to 
spot-on 810 kHz. BBC Scottish Home Service ran two 100 kWs on 809 back 
then, per my 1967 World Radio TV Handbook - those are the transmitters 
at Burghead and Westerglen that are now BBC Radio Scotland on 810. There 
was also a 135 kW signal from Skopje, Yugoslavia on 809 back then.

Those would have done a number on anything coming over the pole from 
Schenectady...

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 12:59:23 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:59:23 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811100959o5d674e55mbb8d5b7ecfd096ec@mail.gmail.com>

Scott

Does Canada plan to have a RDS system so somebody can follow CBC as
they drive along?
It would seem to make sense.

I have a friend who is from Boston but now teaches in Bergen, Norway
and he told me he used to listen to Celtics games regularly on 1510.
He also used to hear Red Sox games on 850 but not so on 680 but also
has no problem getting the Yankees on 880.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 13:13:55 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:13:55 -0600
Subject: Roy Leonard
In-Reply-To: <B95BD0885AE74E16936FC58B233F5DD7@SatU205S5044>
References: <c05.4e0f8566.3648f764@aol.com>
	<B95BD0885AE74E16936FC58B233F5DD7@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811101013w5b50e3ccxc28f4b43c0893ec2@mail.gmail.com>

According to the WGN website Roy worked at WHDH from 1955-58 and also
did some work at channel 5 when it signed on in 57.

It says he did anchored the news at channel 5 and I am guessing he
must have done the 11 PM as I remember John Day did the early evening.
Leonard most likely jumped to 7 when Jack Hynes came on the scene as
Hynes being the Mayor's son was guaranteed lots of airtime.

Fred B Cole did the weather on 5 in the afternoon as well.

He moved to WNAC in 1958 and worked both radio and tv.

He joined WGN in 1967 after WNAC became WRKO.

The bio has no mention of CJAD.

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 12:25:13 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:25:13 -0500
Subject: Roy Leonard
References: <c05.4e0f8566.3648f764@aol.com>
	<B95BD0885AE74E16936FC58B233F5DD7@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <ED4B71B87CCE48C0834D6D77269CC2F2@DougDrown>

Roy was at CJAD after leaving WNAC and before going to WGN.  Several years 
ago I had a polite dispute with someone on the Board about this; my 
fellow-radio aficionado couldn't remember Roy being in Montreal.  I know he 
was there around 1970, as my parents and I used to summer at Lake Champlain 
and I was surprised to hear his voice on the radio one day.   -Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: <Cdsull502@aol.com>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Roy Leonard


> He was at WHDH prior to WNAC. I don't remember whether he went to CJAD
> between WHDH and WNAC or whether Montreal was a detour on his way from
> WNAC to WGN. I think it was the latter. At WHDH, he hosted the Two and
> Eight Date, which ran from 2:00 to 4:00PM and 8:00 to 10:00PM daily.
> The idea of having air personalities on a split schedule seemed to
> originate at WNEW (AM), where first Martin Bloch and then Jerry
> Marshall and Willam B Williams and others were on with the Make
> Believe Ballroom from 10:00AM to noon and then 5:35 to 7:00 or 7:30PM.
> I think WNEW GM Bernice Judis gets credit for that idea, which was
> widely copied, though perhaps first copied at WHDH.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Cdsull502@aol.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:33 PM
> Subject: Roy Leonard
>
>
>>I noticed that WGN legend Roy Leonard introduced Jess Cain's widow
>>at the
>> Radio Hall of Fame ceremonies last night.  He spoke of working  at
>> WHDH with
>> Jess and others.   My Boston memories of him only  remember him at
>> WNAC.   When
>> was he at WHDH and what did he do there?  I assume it was prior to
>> his work at
>> WNAC.
>>
>> Chris  Sullivan
>> CdSull502@aol.com
>> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and
>> all other
>> Holiday needs. Search Now.
>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
>> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> 


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov 10 13:31:44 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:31:44 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811100959o5d674e55mbb8d5b7ecfd096ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770811100959o5d674e55mbb8d5b7ecfd096ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49187E10.5010408@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Scott
> 
> Does Canada plan to have a RDS system so somebody can follow CBC as 
> they drive along? It would seem to make sense.

It sure would - but North America has lagged Europe considerably when it
comes to RDS adoption. The majority of FM stations in the US and Canada
now run a basic form of RDS - at least a station ID, and sometimes 
dynamic content that includes song titles and artists - but the more 
sophisticated aspects of RDS, including the "follow-along" feature, are 
essentially unknown here.

The CBC, oddly, doesn't use RDS at all. They experimented with it a bit 
on their Toronto transmitters a couple of years ago, but then turned it 
off. Not sure why.

s


From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 10 14:38:43 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:38:43 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <49186D75.7030501@fybush.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>,
	<49186D75.7030501@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <49184773.22952.2BD511@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 10 Nov 2008 Scott Fybush wrote:

> That was probably the critical factor - at the time, 809 kHz would
> have been one of the frequencies in Europe's 9 kHz spacing, later
> changed to spot-on 810 kHz. BBC Scottish Home Service ran two 100 kWs
> on 809 back then, per my 1967 World Radio TV Handbook - those are the
> transmitters at Burghead and Westerglen that are now BBC Radio
> Scotland on 810. There was also a 135 kW signal from Skopje,
> Yugoslavia on 809 back then.

So howcome the European stations weren't audible in the US? 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 10 14:38:42 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:38:42 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>
Message-ID: <49184772.11012.2BD35C@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 9 Nov 2008 Dave Doherty wrote:

> I lived about six or seven miles from WPTR. I could not hear the
> station at all at night, because I was in one of its deep nulls.
> Nearly all of that station's pattern was oriented roughly to the
> northeast. I heard that WPTR had a pretty massive QSL card collection
> in those days.

In 1957, when my family moved from the Albany area to Bedford, I was 
surprised to discovery that I could regularly get WPTR in Bedford, 
sometimes even in the daytime. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Nov 10 17:54:26 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:54:26 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <49187E10.5010408@fybush.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770811100959o5d674e55mbb8d5b7ecfd096ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<49187E10.5010408@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4918bbb1.6105be0a.6d29.ffffacb7@mx.google.com>

At 01:31 PM 11/10/2008, Scott Fybush wrote:


>North America has lagged Europe considerably when it
>comes to RDS adoption. The majority of FM stations in the US and Canada
>now run a basic form of RDS - at least a station ID, and sometimes 
>dynamic content that includes song titles and artists - but the more 
>sophisticated aspects of RDS, including the "follow-along" feature, 
>are essentially unknown here.


One good reason for this is that, unlike Europe, very few American 
stations have multiple simulcasts.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Nov 10 20:12:52 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:12:52 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro>
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	<E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>; "BostonRadio 
Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...

> Is a "judge" a government beaureacrat?
>
> It has always been the domain of a judge to address justice......if 
> something went so far as to go to court (very few ever have).
>
> I don't know when judges became "beaureacarat".

Someone will have to decide when a complaint is brought and when one is not 
brought.  That will be done by a bureaucrat.


From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Nov 10 17:49:36 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:49:36 -0500
Subject: Dr. Demento (was Re: Early Xmas)
In-Reply-To: <241335.42412.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <18708.27757.775906.599815@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<241335.42412.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>   Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>
> > This is apparently a result of him leaving The House
> > That Norm Built
> > and switching to a different syndicator who is hated
> > by nearly
> > everyone in the business near as I can tell.
>


Wasn't it the other way around...WW1 dropping the good Doctor?  ISTR 
that a few years back many of the syndicators "cleaned house", 
dropping shows that had fairly low affiliate counts.  He's bounced 
between syndicators for many years, presumably for this very 
reason.  For a while I think he even syndicated the show himself.



At 05:54 PM 11/9/2008, Matthew Osborne wrote:


>However in the last 2 years they, as well as just
>about every other station I knew of that carried the
>show, dropped it.  The story I got was that it had
>switched syndicators again to this company called
>Thelonian Productions.  They came up with this
>"brilliant" idea that people would rather pay each
>week to hear the show streamed over the internet
>instead of hearing it on the radio.  So they
>eliminated the barter option for the radio show, and
>issued a directive to all remaining affiliates that
>the show was not to be streamed over the internet
>whatsoever (unless it was through their pay-by-week
>website).  Needless to say, most remaining affiliates
>dropped it because of these new terms.
>     In addition to WPYX dropping the show during this
>time, I also believe WKIT (100.3) Bangor ME dropped it
>for the same reason after carrying it for many years.


I'm wondering if a good part of Dr. Demento's declining affiliate 
count has as much to do with the show's content as anything.  Even in 
the early 2000's, the show was really starting to get stale.  Add to 
that the fact that his original audience (that discovered the show in 
the 70s/80s) is of an age now that's not likely to be listening to 
the radio at 11pm on a Sunday, and those who are probably aren't 
really into Spike Jones or some increasingly lame Weird Al parody song.



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:08:26 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:08:26 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4918bbb1.6105be0a.6d29.ffffacb7@mx.google.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4916FA16.9020503@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770811100959o5d674e55mbb8d5b7ecfd096ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<49187E10.5010408@fybush.com>
	<4918bbb1.6105be0a.6d29.ffffacb7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811101608t8cd8c3fgbcfcae7e4740f8e8@mail.gmail.com>

I know that Power FM, which covers all 7 islands in the Canary Islands uses
RDS.

They have multiple transmitters on some islands and use the "follow along
feature" and I know it will tune your radio to the next available signal.

I think Fresh FM in Tenerife did that as well before they closed down...

I think Oasis FM in Tenerife does it as well.

Power FM covers all 7 islands, Oasis FM covers all of Tenerife and portions
of two others and Fresh FM covered just Tenerife.

Paul Walker

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:

> At 01:31 PM 11/10/2008, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
>
>  North America has lagged Europe considerably when it
>> comes to RDS adoption. The majority of FM stations in the US and Canada
>> now run a basic form of RDS - at least a station ID, and sometimes dynamic
>> content that includes song titles and artists - but the more sophisticated
>> aspects of RDS, including the "follow-along" feature, are essentially
>> unknown here.
>>
>
>
> One good reason for this is that, unlike Europe, very few American stations
> have multiple simulcasts.
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:27:29 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:27:29 -0600
Subject: Dr. Demento (was Re: Early Xmas)
In-Reply-To: <4918ba94.4403be0a.052e.4e56@mx.google.com>
References: <18708.27757.775906.599815@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<241335.42412.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4918ba94.4403be0a.052e.4e56@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811101727lad425aem7a5c9a613df8244a@mail.gmail.com>

I think Dr Demento now charges affiliates straight out cash for the show.

Paul Walker


On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:49 PM, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:

>
>
>   Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>>
>> > This is apparently a result of him leaving The House
>> > That Norm Built
>> > and switching to a different syndicator who is hated
>> > by nearly
>> > everyone in the business near as I can tell.
>>
>>
>
> Wasn't it the other way around...WW1 dropping the good Doctor?  ISTR that a
> few years back many of the syndicators "cleaned house", dropping shows that
> had fairly low affiliate counts.  He's bounced between syndicators for many
> years, presumably for this very reason.  For a while I think he even
> syndicated the show himself.
>
>
>
> At 05:54 PM 11/9/2008, Matthew Osborne wrote:
>
>
>  However in the last 2 years they, as well as just
>> about every other station I knew of that carried the
>> show, dropped it.  The story I got was that it had
>> switched syndicators again to this company called
>> Thelonian Productions.  They came up with this
>> "brilliant" idea that people would rather pay each
>> week to hear the show streamed over the internet
>> instead of hearing it on the radio.  So they
>> eliminated the barter option for the radio show, and
>> issued a directive to all remaining affiliates that
>> the show was not to be streamed over the internet
>> whatsoever (unless it was through their pay-by-week
>> website).  Needless to say, most remaining affiliates
>> dropped it because of these new terms.
>>    In addition to WPYX dropping the show during this
>> time, I also believe WKIT (100.3) Bangor ME dropped it
>> for the same reason after carrying it for many years.
>>
>
>
> I'm wondering if a good part of Dr. Demento's declining affiliate count has
> as much to do with the show's content as anything.  Even in the early
> 2000's, the show was really starting to get stale.  Add to that the fact
> that his original audience (that discovered the show in the 70s/80s) is of
> an age now that's not likely to be listening to the radio at 11pm on a
> Sunday, and those who are probably aren't really into Spike Jones or some
> increasingly lame Weird Al parody song.
>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 20:37:06 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:37:06 -0600
Subject: Dr. Demento (was Re: Early Xmas)
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811101727lad425aem7a5c9a613df8244a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18708.27757.775906.599815@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<241335.42412.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4918ba94.4403be0a.052e.4e56@mx.google.com>
	<8bce0fe80811101727lad425aem7a5c9a613df8244a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811101737va311dedx355f3b0b1ba8e06@mail.gmail.com>

He still has one major affiliate in Chicago (WLUP - The Loop) which
airs it at 11 PM Central on Sunday.

Last time I checked they were streaming it.

On 11/10/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Dr Demento now charges affiliates straight out cash for the show.
>
> Paul Walker
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:49 PM, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > This is apparently a result of him leaving The House
>>> > That Norm Built
>>> > and switching to a different syndicator who is hated
>>> > by nearly
>>> > everyone in the business near as I can tell.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wasn't it the other way around...WW1 dropping the good Doctor?  ISTR that
>> a
>> few years back many of the syndicators "cleaned house", dropping shows
>> that
>> had fairly low affiliate counts.  He's bounced between syndicators for
>> many
>> years, presumably for this very reason.  For a while I think he even
>> syndicated the show himself.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 05:54 PM 11/9/2008, Matthew Osborne wrote:
>>
>>
>>  However in the last 2 years they, as well as just
>>> about every other station I knew of that carried the
>>> show, dropped it.  The story I got was that it had
>>> switched syndicators again to this company called
>>> Thelonian Productions.  They came up with this
>>> "brilliant" idea that people would rather pay each
>>> week to hear the show streamed over the internet
>>> instead of hearing it on the radio.  So they
>>> eliminated the barter option for the radio show, and
>>> issued a directive to all remaining affiliates that
>>> the show was not to be streamed over the internet
>>> whatsoever (unless it was through their pay-by-week
>>> website).  Needless to say, most remaining affiliates
>>> dropped it because of these new terms.
>>>    In addition to WPYX dropping the show during this
>>> time, I also believe WKIT (100.3) Bangor ME dropped it
>>> for the same reason after carrying it for many years.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if a good part of Dr. Demento's declining affiliate count
>> has
>> as much to do with the show's content as anything.  Even in the early
>> 2000's, the show was really starting to get stale.  Add to that the fact
>> that his original audience (that discovered the show in the 70s/80s) is of
>> an age now that's not likely to be listening to the radio at 11pm on a
>> Sunday, and those who are probably aren't really into Spike Jones or some
>> increasingly lame Weird Al parody song.
>>
>>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 20:25:28 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:25:28 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <49184773.22952.2BD511@Joe.attorneyross.com>
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I think the main factor is simply how crowded medium wave is in the US
while in Europe many stations are closing down as we are also seeing
in Canada.

I also doubt you have many stations in Europe that are highly
directional into the ocean like for example WWZN. Another clear signal
in Ireland was out of Newfoundland on 930.

I recall the Soviet Union has a monster signal up around 1400 that
could be heard clearly in Ireland. I was told it transmitted using 2.5
million watts. (eek)



On 11/10/08, A. Joseph Ross <Joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2008 Scott Fybush wrote:
>
>> That was probably the critical factor - at the time, 809 kHz would
>> have been one of the frequencies in Europe's 9 kHz spacing, later
>> changed to spot-on 810 kHz. BBC Scottish Home Service ran two 100 kWs
>> on 809 back then, per my 1967 World Radio TV Handbook - those are the
>> transmitters at Burghead and Westerglen that are now BBC Radio
>> Scotland on 810. There was also a 135 kW signal from Skopje,
>> Yugoslavia on 809 back then.
>
> So howcome the European stations weren't audible in the US?
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:54:35 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:54:35 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> I recall the Soviet Union has a monster signal up around 1400 that
> could be heard clearly in Ireland. I was told it transmitted using 2.5
> million watts. (eek)
That'll keep your coffee on the console nice and warm. And you will hear 
yourself on your fillings. Talk about a mean feedback loop.

Bill O'

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 21:13:53 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:13:53 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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What you have to remember about Europe is that it would like each of
the 50 states having control of frequencies.

If you think WEEI is nuts try listening to TalkSport after a major
soccer match. Callers I believe must be drunk before put on the air.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 21:18:03 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:18:03 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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Some of the TalkSport transmitters run 300 or 400KW :)

Paul Walker


On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> What you have to remember about Europe is that it would like each of
> the 50 states having control of frequencies.
>
> If you think WEEI is nuts try listening to TalkSport after a major
> soccer match. Callers I believe must be drunk before put on the air.
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Nov 10 23:31:05 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:31:05 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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<<On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:25:28 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> I recall the Soviet Union has a monster signal up around 1400 that
> could be heard clearly in Ireland. I was told it transmitted using 2.5
> million watts. (eek)

There was an article in WRTH about this facility about a decade ago
(i.e., the last time I bought a WRTH).  It's an electronically
steerable 12-tower array located outside St. Petersburg.  The actual
power was fairly low, by European standards -- only 100 or 250 kW.
But it's a 13-dB antenna!

The transmitter was last used for Voice of Russia broadcasts to
Scandinavia, if I remember correctly.

-GAWollman

PS: Greetings from North Hollywood!

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Nov 10 23:32:44 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:32:44 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
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<<On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:38:43 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> So howcome the European stations weren't audible in the US? 

They were, and are, to those with the right equipment.  There's a
fellow on this very list who occasionally posts about this.  Before
890 Dedham came on the air, 891 from Algeria was a regular wintertime
visitor even on non-specialized equipment.

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Nov 10 23:37:57 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:37:57 -0500
Subject: If you should find yourselves in Burbank...
Message-ID: <18713.3109.979300.390579@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

If anyone in the list audience hasn't seen the Tonight Show live, and
is planning on being in the Los Angeles area between now and May, I
would strongly recommend that you take advantage of the opportunity to
see Leno do his thing, even if you don't particularly like him.  When
Leno retires next May, the Tonight Show is leaving the NBC studios in
Burbank for good, and NBC itself will be gone not long after that.
(Conan O'Brien will start his Tonight Show tenure next June from the
new NBC studioplex in Universal City.)

-GAWollman

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 01:33:22 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:33:22 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>> Is a "judge" a government beaureacrat?
>>
>> It has always been the domain of a judge to address justice......if 
>> something went so far as to go to court (very few ever have).
>>
>> I don't know when judges became "beaureacarat".
>
> Someone will have to decide when a complaint is brought and when one is 
> not brought.

But the final "decider" is the courts.  And that has traditionally been the 
role of the courts to address justice fairly.



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 01:34:40 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:34:40 -0500
Subject: Dr. Demento (was Re: Early Xmas)
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>>> > This is apparently a result of him leaving The House
>>> > That Norm Built
>>> > and switching to a different syndicator who is hated
>>> > by nearly
>>> > everyone in the business near as I can tell.

Who is the syndicator that "is hated by nearly everyone in the business"?

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov 11 02:22:11 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:22:11 -0500
Subject: If you should find yourselves in Burbank...
Message-ID: <20081111072212.0CEBA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

When I went to L.A. for the first and only time last year, the last full day I spent
in the area (visiting a friend) had us touring the NBC studios in the late morning.
They told us, "We have seats available for the taping of the Tonight Show this
afternoon if you'd like". My friend and I looked at each other and shook our heads;
we knew we'd made plans to see Sony/Columbia Studios (the old MGM studios) at that 
time. Maybe next time...but yes, Leno isn't there for too much longer.

They did show us his motorcycle, etc. When we were in the Tonight Show part of
the tour, a country band called SugarLand was doing a sound check. That night when I
got back to my motel room, I tuned in to the show briefly and thought "hey,
I coulda been there". And the funny part is he made a joke about the Der
Weinerschnitzel hot dog stand across from the NBC studios...the same place
my friend and I had been earlier that day!




From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 11 06:49:44 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:49:44 EST
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
Message-ID: <c0d.407f5218.364acb58@aol.com>

?Leftie  talkers helped to get Obama elected.?  
Donna  Halper?s a Boston-based radio historian and assistant professor at 
Lesley  University in Cambridge ? and a T-R-I reader ? and she leaps into the 
debate  about whether radio had any effect on last week?s election. One reader 
thought  conservative talkers like Rush and Hannity didn?t do much to sway 
opinion. But  Halper says ?I truly believe the results of the 2008 election proved 
that  progressive talkers like Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Rachel Maddow 
(along  with TV progressives like Keith Olbermann) made a major difference. 
They  put forth the liberal point of view in a way that was absent from 2000 
and  2004?Despite predictions of the demise of progressive talk, and despite 
some of  the well-documented problems, progressive talk is still around, and 
since 2004,  a number of individual hosts have continued to build a name for 
themselves, turn  a profit, and above all, give the progressive viewpoint a chance 
to be  heard.  While these progressive hosts may not be on as many stations 
as,  let's say, Limbaugh or Hannity, their value was that they were able to 
operate  on several levels - doing their radio show, but also being pundits on 
Larry King  Live or on the late night shows like Letterman or Leno. With that 
increased  exposure, they were able to refute conservative talking points on a 
regular  basis.  Thus, my belief is that leftie talkers helped to get Obama  
elected.? 
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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov 11 07:53:37 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:53:37 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
Message-ID: <20081111125337.99E3283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

It isn't just talk radio, as she points out: Liberal viewpoints are not exactly absent from TV (Olbermann,
Matthews, et al), newspapers (Globe, N.Y. Times), magazines (Rolling Stone, which often
had a very negative image of McCain--a man who almost became John Kerry's running mate
in '04), alternative weeklies (Bos. Phoenix), movies (Michael Moore and friends),
comedians (ever see a CONSERVATIVE comic?), music (there were several ROCK AGAINST
BUSH albums; left-leaning concerts like "Rock For Change", etc.)

And I would think that several of these "voices" were around in the last two
elections, too. 

TV shows, too; I enjoy "Family Guy" and am watching the new box set now. One episode
has Mr. Olbermann as a guest voice, and the show's creator is heard on commentary
encouraging people to watch MSNBC instead of that nasty Mr. O'Reilly on Fox News.
We do not hear a rebuttal from Rupert Murdoch on the commentary (though Seth
MacFarlane did mention him when he said "Rupert is a businessman first and
a Republican second", as he allows much liberal humor on the regular Fox network. 
Oh, and Stewie's teddy bear is named Rupert too :) )
For the record, Olby voices a nasty man who dumps sewage into Lake Quahog...

But who knows, it may have played a part. Hey, it's a good thing for the Democrats
that they already had New England sewed up, as Air America is largely absent
from radio here (though some lefty voices are heard, even on big stations like
WTKK--Eagan & Braude, WBZ--Leveille). Heavens, the Republicans may have actually
done better than their roster of three senators and zero Representatives
(in '08 election) in the six state region had there been no liberal talk radio 
at all :)

Talk radio may have played a part but please remember that there are more than
a few voices from the left in other media. Take away Fox News (which even now
is shifting left) and conservative talk radio, and there would be hardly
any "voices from the right". (I would say the Net contributes to both sides,
so call that one "even")

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Nov 11 12:55:54 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:55:54 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
In-Reply-To: <20081111125337.99E3283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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At 07:53 AM 11/11/2008, Bob Nelson wrote:
>It isn't just talk radio, as she points out: Liberal viewpoints are 
>not exactly absent from TV (Olbermann,
>Matthews, et al), newspapers (Globe, N.Y. Times), magazines (Rolling 
>Stone, which often
>had a very negative image of McCain--a man who almost became John 
>Kerry's running mate
>in '04), alternative weeklies (Bos. Phoenix), movies (Michael Moore 
>and friends),
>comedians (ever see a CONSERVATIVE comic?), music (there were 
>several ROCK AGAINST
>BUSH albums; left-leaning concerts like "Rock For Change", etc.)

Oh dear.  Bob conveniently forgets that TV and radio talk shows are 
still dominated by conservative voices, and that the majority of 
newspapers have equal numbers of conservative commentators to the 
liberal ones in most cases.  Also, regarding Chris Matthews, he came 
over from the "dark side"-- in previous elections, he was absolutely 
NOT a leftie, and was quite supportive of President Bush, the Iraq 
War, etc.  But like many moderate righties (including the son of the 
founder of National Review, Christopher Buckley), he became 
disenchanted with how Republicans governed (or failed to govern) the 
country.  There certainly are rightie comedians-- Dennis Miller comes 
to mind-- and many of the stars of country music were as vehemently 
pro-McCain as the leftie sources he names were anti-Bush.

>Bob also wrote--
>And I would think that several of these "voices" were around in the last two
>elections, too.

Yes, but my point was that in the past elections, such voices were 
scattered.  Then as now, righties dominated the talk shows.  But this 
time, there was a group effort to counter what the righties were saying.

Also, I do not believe, as many of my rightie friends do, that "the 
media" are liberal.  As I have said before, the media are corporate, 
and they love an exciting story.  Yeah they ridiculed McCain and 
Palin sometimes (a lot less with McCain however-- even he has 
acknowledged that he has deep friendships with many in the media), 
but they climbed all over Obama about Rev. Wright and the "bitter" 
comments and other stories they thought would get them some viewers 
or readers or listeners.  Obama, like him or not, was an exciting 
story, and as the story unfolded, many media outlets jumped on it and 
even supported his candidacy where they had never supported a 
Democrat ever.  I would hardly call the Chicago Tribune liberal-- 
they were and are right-wing in their editorial policy and had NEVER 
come out in favour of a Democrat in their entire 155 year 
history--  till this election.

Bob wrote--
>Talk radio may have played a part but please remember that there are more than
>a few voices from the left in other media.

And there are more than a few voices from the right too.  But my 
point was that in past elections, the left had no organized way to 
counter the right-wing talking points.  This election, they did, and 
I say it worked.


From atolz@comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 13:12:02 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:12:02 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
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As a folow-up to Bob and Donna's dialogue, Donna, do you think that Barack 
Obama's win against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary had anything 
to do with Air America?

I would contend that his victory in that race was purely strategic planning, 
fundraising superiority and execution by his field forces as well as 
missteps on her part post Super Tuesday.

It also seems to me that the economy and conservative talk radio's "gone to 
far" attitude - using Obama's middle name as a way to intimate he's not 
going to be fair with Middle East issues, for example - helped Obama more 
than Air America.  Air America was preaching to the converted while the 
Rushes and Severins were creating backlash, though both were increasingly 
irrelevant as compared to years past, IMHO.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>; <TVNETDUDE@aol.com>; 
<boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info


> At 07:53 AM 11/11/2008, Bob Nelson wrote:
>>It isn't just talk radio, as she points out: Liberal viewpoints are not 
>>exactly absent from TV (Olbermann,
>>Matthews, et al), newspapers (Globe, N.Y. Times), magazines (Rolling 
>>Stone, which often
>>had a very negative image of McCain--a man who almost became John Kerry's 
>>running mate
>>in '04), alternative weeklies (Bos. Phoenix), movies (Michael Moore and 
>>friends),
>>comedians (ever see a CONSERVATIVE comic?), music (there were several ROCK 
>>AGAINST
>>BUSH albums; left-leaning concerts like "Rock For Change", etc.)
>
> Oh dear.  Bob conveniently forgets that TV and radio talk shows are still 
> dominated by conservative voices, and that the majority of newspapers have 
> equal numbers of conservative commentators to the liberal ones in most 
> cases.  Also, regarding Chris Matthews, he came over from the "dark 
> side"-- in previous elections, he was absolutely NOT a leftie, and was 
> quite supportive of President Bush, the Iraq War, etc.  But like many 
> moderate righties (including the son of the founder of National Review, 
> Christopher Buckley), he became disenchanted with how Republicans governed 
> (or failed to govern) the country.  There certainly are rightie 
> comedians-- Dennis Miller comes to mind-- and many of the stars of country 
> music were as vehemently pro-McCain as the leftie sources he names were 
> anti-Bush.
>
>>Bob also wrote--
>>And I would think that several of these "voices" were around in the last 
>>two
>>elections, too.
>
> Yes, but my point was that in the past elections, such voices were 
> scattered.  Then as now, righties dominated the talk shows.  But this 
> time, there was a group effort to counter what the righties were saying.
>
> Also, I do not believe, as many of my rightie friends do, that "the media" 
> are liberal.  As I have said before, the media are corporate, and they 
> love an exciting story.  Yeah they ridiculed McCain and Palin sometimes (a 
> lot less with McCain however-- even he has acknowledged that he has deep 
> friendships with many in the media), but they climbed all over Obama about 
> Rev. Wright and the "bitter" comments and other stories they thought would 
> get them some viewers or readers or listeners.  Obama, like him or not, 
> was an exciting story, and as the story unfolded, many media outlets 
> jumped on it and even supported his candidacy where they had never 
> supported a Democrat ever.  I would hardly call the Chicago Tribune 
> liberal-- 
> they were and are right-wing in their editorial policy and had NEVER come 
> out in favour of a Democrat in their entire 155 year history--  till this 
> election.
>
> Bob wrote--
>>Talk radio may have played a part but please remember that there are more 
>>than
>>a few voices from the left in other media.
>
> And there are more than a few voices from the right too.  But my point was 
> that in past elections, the left had no organized way to counter the 
> right-wing talking points.  This election, they did, and I say it worked.
>
> 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Nov 11 13:39:34 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:39:34 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
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At 01:12 PM 11/11/2008, Alan Tolz wrote:
>As a folow-up to Bob and Donna's dialogue, Donna, do you think that 
>Barack Obama's win against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary 
>had anything to do with Air America?
>
>I would contend that his victory in that race was purely strategic 
>planning, fundraising superiority and execution by his field forces 
>as well as missteps on her part post Super Tuesday.

I don't think talk radio or TV pundits destroyed Hillary-- sad to 
say, for those who wanted to see her succeed, she ran a surprisingly 
bad campaign.  In fact, she refused to go on the talk shows, and 
totally blew off the media in the early days of that campaign, which 
didn't win her much in the way of good will.  I think the pundits, 
many of whom liked her husband and thought Hillary's candidacy would 
make a great story (they didn't necessarily think she'd be a great 
candidate, nor did many of them support her-- but they all agreed 
she'd make an exciting story; and as we can surely all agree, the 
media are drawn to exciting stories like moths to a flame), began to 
beat up on her because they felt she was showing them total disregard 
and because they also felt she was a polarizing figure and yes, 
because her campaign lacked focus and lacked a coherent message.  Air 
America was not powerful enough to harm her.  But over time, she lost 
the support of a LOT of the leftie talkers, including Ed Schultz who 
is on over 100 stations and had originally been a supporter of hers.   


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Nov 11 13:56:20 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
In-Reply-To: <c0d.407f5218.364acb58@aol.com>
References: <c0d.407f5218.364acb58@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BC13CAA3-A352-41ED-8102-48DF18B4137E@charter.net>

To me, the real impact on the election was not from progressive or  
conservative talkers, but from urban and Hispanic radio, particularly  
the syndicated morning shows.  Just about the entire Urban and Urban  
AC format nationally is syndicated in morning drive, and personalities  
like Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey and Big Boy were major Obama proponents  
early on and motivated their listeners to register and vote.  It was a  
big factor in states like North Carolina and Virginia, which not only  
went blue this election cycle, but also helped Democrats in downticket  
races as well.  Hispanic radio also helped to galvanize listeners in  
key states like Florida, New Mexico and Colorado on issues like the  
economy health care and particularly immigration reform.  While these  
formats aren't true "talk" formats, they discussed politics a LOT in  
the past year and their impact on the elections cannot be understated.

-Dave Tomm


On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:49 AM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:

> ?Leftie  talkers helped to get Obama elected.?
> Donna  Halper?s a Boston-based radio historian and assistant  
> professor at
> Lesley  University in Cambridge ? and a T-R-I reader ? and she leaps  
> into the
> debate  about whether radio had any effect on last week?s election.  
> One reader
> thought  conservative talkers like Rush and Hannity didn?t do much  
> to sway
> opinion. But  Halper says ?I truly believe the results of the 2008  
> election proved
> that  progressive talkers like Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and  
> Rachel Maddow
> (along  with TV progressives like Keith Olbermann) made a major  
> difference.
> They  put forth the liberal point of view in a way that was absent  
> from 2000
> and  2004?Despite predictions of the demise of progressive talk, and  
> despite
> some of  the well-documented problems, progressive talk is still  
> around, and
> since 2004,  a number of individual hosts have continued to build a  
> name for
> themselves, turn  a profit, and above all, give the progressive  
> viewpoint a chance
> to be  heard.  While these progressive hosts may not be on as many  
> stations
> as,  let's say, Limbaugh or Hannity, their value was that they were  
> able to
> operate  on several levels - doing their radio show, but also being  
> pundits on
> Larry King  Live or on the late night shows like Letterman or Leno.  
> With that
> increased  exposure, they were able to refute conservative talking  
> points on a
> regular  basis.  Thus, my belief is that leftie talkers helped to  
> get Obama
> elected.?
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From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 14:56:07 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:07 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
In-Reply-To: <20081111183947.C69EC1CEA05@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20081111125337.99E3283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>	<20081111175608.5C3F31CF75E@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>	<7C474D69C364450DB71E24F4D90DEB80@mediacenter>
	<20081111183947.C69EC1CEA05@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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Donna Halper wrote:
> I think the pundits, many of whom liked her husband and thought 
> Hillary's candidacy would make a great story (they didn't necessarily 
> think she'd be a great candidate, nor did many of them support her-- 
> but they all agreed she'd make an exciting story; and as we can surely 
> all agree, the media are drawn to exciting stories like moths to a 
> flame), //
I am intrigued by Donna's notion of how a "great story" leads (or 
drives) media down a path versus the prevailing latent bias notion.  
Definitely worth closer study. (Thanks Donna!)

To ascribe the word 'mercenary' to a journalist is not pejorative in my 
view.  I respect a journalist who jumps onto a 'good story' and takes 
the ride as far as it goes without regard for how it plays-out under 
evaluative scrutiny.

The passion for a story and the pursuit of truth is the thing.  And this 
applies not only to journalists but to talk show callers and new media 
contributors.  I count myself among the many who can get bogged down in 
the emotion of the story.

Bill O'Neill

PS.  THANK YOU VETERANS.  It's good to be free.
//

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov 11 15:01:07 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:01:07 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
In-Reply-To: <20081111125337.99E3283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081111125337.99E3283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <49199E33.28613.2C3C76@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 11 Nov 2008 Bob Nelson wrote:

> Talk radio may have played a part but please remember that there are
> more than a few voices from the left in other media. Take away Fox
> News (which even now is shifting left) and conservative talk radio,
> and there would be hardly any "voices from the right". (I would say
> the Net contributes to both sides, so call that one "even")

Fox News is shifting left?  I guess Murdoch IS a businessman first.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Nov 11 19:47:45 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:47:45 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>; "BostonRadio 
Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...


> But the final "decider" is the courts.  And that has traditionally been 
> the role of the courts to address justice fairly.

Most regulatory cases never get t court.  It costs too much and leads to tto 
much uncertainty.  Regulators usually get their way. 


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Nov 12 00:28:26 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:28:26 -0500
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811101725t29d07937qd18716e81b74c5d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>	<49186D75.7030501@fybush.com>	<49184773.22952.2BD511@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4fc429770811101725t29d07937qd18716e81b74c5d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491A697A.2050404@gabrielmass.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> 
> I recall the Soviet Union has a monster signal up around 1400 that
> could be heard clearly in Ireland. I was told it transmitted using 2.5
> million watts. (eek)

No batteries required; just power the radio from its antenna.  :-)

--RC

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Nov 12 00:44:44 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:44:44 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro><33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC><E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>	<E2D1DE7A480E4F0E83B280489CAAF522@DanBillingsPC>
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Don A wrote:

>> Someone will have to decide when a complaint is brought and when one 
>> is not brought.
> 
> But the final "decider" is the courts.  And that has traditionally been 
> the role of the courts to address justice fairly.


Believe it or not, Don, there are people in America who don't even have 
confidence in judges.  Can you imagine that, even here in our 
enlightened commonwealth?

They don't want to rely on judges, even if the judges were elected, to 
decide cases of "fair speech" justly.

If a respondent were to win a case, the expense of litigation would be a 
punishment, and if the complainants are funded by George Soros or 
Richard Mellon Scaife or (insert your own rich bogeyman here), they'll 
be happy to start over with a new complaint after they lose the last 
one.   Fairness Doctrine complaints could become the equivalent of SLAPP 
suits.

--RC


From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 00:54:25 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:54:25 -0600
Subject: Radio in Ireland and the UK.
In-Reply-To: <18713.2697.122060.826940@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <188993.53383.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5C0E382D38D84E8A856C558269F7553D@skywaves.com>
	<49186D75.7030501@fybush.com>
	<49184773.22952.2BD511@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4fc429770811101725t29d07937qd18716e81b74c5d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<18713.2697.122060.826940@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811112154s35a5aedej4d5856189eb611d1@mail.gmail.com>

I did some research today and it appears they lowered power when the
Soviet Union collapsed.

They also had a monster transmitter on the same frequency in the
former East Germany.



On 11/10/08, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> <<On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:25:28 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> said:
>
>> I recall the Soviet Union has a monster signal up around 1400 that
>> could be heard clearly in Ireland. I was told it transmitted using 2.5
>> million watts. (eek)
>
> There was an article in WRTH about this facility about a decade ago
> (i.e., the last time I bought a WRTH).  It's an electronically
> steerable 12-tower array located outside St. Petersburg.  The actual
> power was fairly low, by European standards -- only 100 or 250 kW.
> But it's a 13-dB antenna!
>
> The transmitter was last used for Voice of Russia broadcasts to
> Scandinavia, if I remember correctly.
>
> -GAWollman
>
> PS: Greetings from North Hollywood!
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 12 00:55:12 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:55:12 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491A6D4C.7050000@gabrielmass.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>,
	<491A6D4C.7050000@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <491A2970.24604.96BB18@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 12 Nov 2008 at 0:44, Richard Chonak wrote:

> Believe it or not, Don, there are people in America who don't even
> have confidence in judges.  Can you imagine that, even here in our
> enlightened commonwealth?

It's the nature of the work that in almost every case, someone goes 
away dissatisfied.
 
> They don't want to rely on judges, even if the judges were elected, to
> decide cases of "fair speech" justly.

In Massachusetts, and in the Federal system, judges are not elected.  
In any event a Fairness Doctrine complaint would be heard in the 
first instance before the FCC.
 
> If a respondent were to win a case, the expense of litigation would be
> a punishment, and if the complainants are funded by George Soros or
> Richard Mellon Scaife or (insert your own rich bogeyman here), they'll
> be happy to start over with a new complaint after they lose the last
> one.   Fairness Doctrine complaints could become the equivalent of
> SLAPP suits.

Well, we have an anti-SLAPP statute in Massachusetts that cuts that 
short.  The defendant is entitled to file a Special Motion to 
Dismiss, which stops all proceedings until it is heard.  I won't go 
into the details of the procedure and the standards in the statute, 
but if the defendant wins the Special Motion to Dismiss, s/he can 
recover all attorneys fees, not just for the motion, but for all 
services connected with the lawsuit.  I did one successfully last 
year.

I'm sure that if it becomes a problem, a similar law can be made 
regarding Fairness Doctrine complaints.
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 01:04:25 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:04:25 -0600
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
Message-ID: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>

This discussion we have been having over AM in Europe makes me wonder
what if WBZ had gone to 500KW transmitting from Provincetown which was
being talked about 40 years ago.

What kind of daytime coverage could they have expected? I would think
500KW would have given a listenable signal as far south as
Philadelphia and north into Montreal.

Also were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 01:31:53 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:31:53 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro><33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC><E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro><E2D1DE7A480E4F0E83B280489CAAF522@DanBillingsPC><B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>
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>> But the final "decider" is the courts.  And that has traditionally been 
>> the role of the courts to address justice fairly.
>
> Most regulatory cases never get t court.  It costs too much and leads to 
> tto much uncertainty.  Regulators usually get their way.


If they can reach a fair settlement of the issue before court....then all 
the better.

If not, the courts are the avenue to people who think they've been wronged.


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 01:36:07 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro><33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC><E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>	<E2D1DE7A480E4F0E83B280489CAAF522@DanBillingsPC><B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>
	<491A6D4C.7050000@gabrielmass.com>
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>> But the final "decider" is the courts.  And that has traditionally been 
>> the role of the courts to address justice fairly.
>
> Believe it or not, Don, there are people in America who don't even have 
> confidence in judges.  Can you imagine that, even here in our enlightened 
> commonwealth?

Well, like it or not, confidence or not...those wronged can seek recourse in 
the courts.

It's even better if you can come to a fair settlement of the issue before it 
goes to court....which is usually the case.


> They don't want to rely on judges, even if the judges were elected, to 
> decide cases of "fair speech" justly.

Well, that's the system we live in.

But who is the "they"?  Those agrieved?  Or the broadcasters who don't want 
any reprecussions from irresponsible broadcasting?


>   Fairness Doctrine complaints could become the equivalent of SLAPP suits.

Was this an issue in the past?

My memory says that this was not a problem in the past.



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Nov 12 02:21:56 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:21:56 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <DCE9A8012C5C441A9709B46347D4D9F7@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><24521611709349968EFCDCC31AB08CBD@MainXPPro><D7BC6135A1C34777A437AE2800BF1741@DanBillingsPC><DEC63B22E9814B078DD1719230739A08@MainXPPro><33EEBB066D404992919ADCC11DCBC66C@DanBillingsPC><E68C0E9852FC4F1DB248C7C9B7FFAA46@MainXPPro>	<E2D1DE7A480E4F0E83B280489CAAF522@DanBillingsPC><B3E09B76CAD84BDFAC9FC0ACBF28D596@MainXPPro>
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Don A wrote:
>
> 
>> They don't want to rely on judges, even if the judges were elected, to 
>> decide cases of "fair speech" justly.
> 
> Well, that's the system we live in.
>


Ohhhh.

Things are different here in the US;  here, we're still debating about 
**whether** to make "fairness", equal time, etc., a matter of legal 
obligation.

So, never mind!  I'll leave you to wrap up if you want.  Cheers--

--rc


From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov 12 07:02:47 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:02:47 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C023C2F5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?<<

Most famously, WLW/Cincinnati on 700 kHz.  They ran with it for a short while, but it didn't last.

Legend has it that, during their half-megawatt operation, you could stand almost ten feet from the chain-link fence surrounding the tower and draw an arc from a screwdriver in your hand to the fence.  That's a whole lotta RF.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From map@mapinternet.com  Wed Nov 12 09:22:16 2008
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:22:16 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af>

As happens maybe on a 1/3 of the mornings, from 0-3 hours after sunrise, 
this morning WBZ AM was (again) trashed by co-channel skywave just east of 
Springfield. It was still going at 8:30am.  WBZ does provide a low level, 
but somewhat listenable signal here during the day. But it gets interfered 
with many mornings. Even WTIC gets interference here, many mornings,  less 
than 25 miles from its transmit site!

For most the average (non-radio hobby person) folks the average day and 
night listenablity stops halfway between Worcester and Springfield, around 
Sturbridge. In fact, a Pennsylvania caller to Steve Lavelle's show 2 nights 
ago said she, jokingly, moved to PA, to get a better signal from WBZ. With 
the nightime signal at Sturbridge having Skywave fighting Groundwave, it's 
probably true. WBZ is still excellent, and, on average, the BEST nightime 
signal, in the area of Eastern North Carolina that I visit regularly.

The "what if" 500kw idea would still have to have been accompanied by an FCC 
policy of allowing less co-channel interference to be really effective. As 
it is now with WBZ's directional pattern, if you apply an ERP calculation 
(maybe one of the group can make a reasonably precise calculation), it is 
sending, effectively, at least 100kw toward the west. If WBZ had 500kw with 
the same pattern then you can guess the approx. ERP. But with the bad ground 
conductivity, I doubt it would have extended WBZ's listenable signal, for 
the average person, much past the MA/NY line. But, that would have been a 
big improvement. If the co-channel interference was lower than now, that 
still would have made WBZ a more regional station, covering most of the 6 
New England states with a decent signal.

I think that leaving the transmit site in Hull or a nearby location, away 
from residences, would have been a better choice than Provincetown. Signal 
degrade fast on land, and it would have been nice to have that loud, 
superstrong signal, that drowns out interference from traffic lights, bad 
electric transformers,  noisy computers and lights at every commercial 
corner, etc., even out at I495 and Worcester, Providence & Southern NH. The 
Hull (or area) site would provide that higher signal density, (as it does 
now) as the signal spreads out into expanding inland suburban and secondary 
market areas.

Absent the 500kw idea, what WBZ could have done , (or could do now) , would 
be to purchase several stations around New England to similcast its signal 
on.(50 kw directional 640-WNNZ would be one near perfect candidate, at least 
coverage-wise).

Mark Casey
K1MAP

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


This discussion we have been having over AM in Europe makes me wonder
what if WBZ had gone to 500KW transmitting from Provincetown which was
being talked about 40 years ago.

What kind of daytime coverage could they have expected? I would think
500KW would have given a listenable signal as far south as
Philadelphia and north into Montreal.

Also were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 12 09:07:11 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:07:11 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D19375947557446CA87ECEFF479557B6@SatU205S5044>

You'd be surprised at how little improvement in daytime coverage there
would have been. Go to fcc.gov and compare the coverage maps of AMs
that have applied to increase from 5 kW to 50 kW. The increase in the
area within the 0.5 mV/m groundwave contour usually increases by
something on the order of 20%. Of course, the percentage increase
depends on many factors, frequency, soil conductivity, and antenna
efficiency being the most important. The lower the frequency and the
better the conductivity, the greater the percentage increase. In the
case of WBZ and the other Class I AMs that were contemplating
increases to 500 kW or 750 kW, antenna efficiency would not have been
a factor; they were already using very efficient half-wave radiators.
WBZ, being in the middle of the AM band in an area of notoriously poor
conductivity (except for the part that really is salt water), would
probably have achieved a bit less than the average percentage increase
in daytime coverage. For example, would Providence have been inside
the 5 mV/m contour? (5 mV/m is considered city grade for
AM.) Maybe. It would have been a close call. For reasons discussed
below, I don't think Worcester would have received an improved signal
at all.

Meanwhile, the huge power bills would have considerably raised WBZ's
break-even point. In the end, I believe it was the cost of the
improved facilities plus the increased operating cost that caused the
dozen or so US stations that might have received these super-power CPs
to sour on the idea.

Another consideration would have been the effect on co-owned KDKA.
WBZ's nighttime skywave signal would have blown KDKA out of the water
right in the city of Pittsburgh. In all likelihood, WBZ would have had
to use a directional pattern that contained a modest radiation minimum
to the west to protect KDKA. (Could still probably have been done with
two towers that were spaced farther apart than the existing pair.) The
combination of the Tx move to the east--away from Boston--and the
modified DA would actually have resulted in a poorer signal in much of
metro Boston! Can you say "law of unintended consequences?"

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


> This discussion we have been having over AM in Europe makes me
> wonder
> what if WBZ had gone to 500KW transmitting from Provincetown which
> was
> being talked about 40 years ago.
>
> What kind of daytime coverage could they have expected? I would
> think
> 500KW would have given a listenable signal as far south as
> Philadelphia and north into Montreal.
>
> Also were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Wed Nov 12 09:30:46 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:30:46 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c944d3$414fb220$3c9b4c0c@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


> This discussion we have been having over AM in Europe makes me wonder
> what if WBZ had gone to 500KW transmitting from Provincetown which was
> being talked about 40 years ago.
>
> What kind of daytime coverage could they have expected? I would think
> 500KW would have given a listenable signal as far south as
> Philadelphia and north into Montreal.
>
> Also were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?
>

Didn't WLW Cincinnati actually do it for a time?

Howard



From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Nov 12 09:30:35 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:30:35 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C023C2F5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <87C161CCE25748C5B59B0C6A13F2464F@DougDrown>

WBZ does quite well with its 50KW signal, to say nothing of what 500KW might 
acccomplish.  Intriguing question.

During daytime hours, I have picked up 'BZ on my car radio as far southwest 
as Port Jervis, N.Y., as far north as Sherbrooke, as far west as Schenectady 
(and beyond), and as far northeast as Saint John.  That's a big coverage 
area, obviously.  Does that give 'BZ the prize as having the largest daytime 
coverage on the East Coast, or are there other stations that can broadcast 
even farther?

-Doug



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


>>were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?<<

Most famously, WLW/Cincinnati on 700 kHz.  They ran with it for a short 
while, but it didn't last.

Legend has it that, during their half-megawatt operation, you could stand 
almost ten feet from the chain-link fence surrounding the tower and draw an 
arc from a screwdriver in your hand to the fence.  That's a whole lotta RF.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 12 10:58:48 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:58:48 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C023C2F5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<87C161CCE25748C5B59B0C6A13F2464F@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <A7F3288B21584B6F9AF09D00DC613D6D@SatU205S5044>

I can't answer your question about largest coverage area on the east
coast. I do know that the honors for greatest land area covered by a
US AM go to KFYR even though it is only a 5 kW station. It is,
however, ND days on 550 in North Dakota, which enjoys some of the best
soil conductivity in the US. And since there is no large body of water
nearby, essentially all of its coverage area counts as coverage area.

If I had to guess about the greatest land area covered by day by a US
east-coast AM, I'd take a shot at 690 in Jacksonville FL with a backup
guess at 820 in Largo (Tampa) FL. Now Tampa, being on the Gulf coast,
might not even qualify. But the 820 station does get into areas along
the Atlantic coast, albeit not with a 0.5 mV/m signal and maybe not
even with 0.1 mV/m, which the FCC does not recognize as any sort of
coverage for Class B AMs.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com>; "(newsgroup)
Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


> WBZ does quite well with its 50KW signal, to say nothing of what
> 500KW might acccomplish.  Intriguing question.
>
> During daytime hours, I have picked up 'BZ on my car radio as far
> southwest as Port Jervis, N.Y., as far north as Sherbrooke, as far
> west as Schenectady (and beyond), and as far northeast as Saint
> John.  That's a big coverage area, obviously.  Does that give 'BZ
> the prize as having the largest daytime coverage on the East Coast,
> or are there other stations that can broadcast even farther?
>
> -Doug
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com>
> To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest"
> <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:02 AM
> Subject: RE: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
>
>
>>>were other clear channels trying to go to 500KW?<<
>
> Most famously, WLW/Cincinnati on 700 kHz.  They ran with it for a
> short while, but it didn't last.
>
> Legend has it that, during their half-megawatt operation, you could
> stand almost ten feet from the chain-link fence surrounding the
> tower and draw an arc from a screwdriver in your hand to the fence.
> That's a whole lotta RF.
>
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
> WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
> WEEI Sports Radio Network
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 10:54:07 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:07 -0600
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
In-Reply-To: <87C161CCE25748C5B59B0C6A13F2464F@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C023C2F5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<87C161CCE25748C5B59B0C6A13F2464F@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811120754k1fa2dffak39075f75e3040525@mail.gmail.com>

BZ being directional by choice gives them a leg up on other 50KW
signals on the east coast. Still WFAN can be heard daytime deep into
Virginia.

At night I will never forget hitting scan on 95 somewhere in the
Carolinas and it only stopped once...on 1030.

I would think a 500KW signal from Provincetown would be very strong in
Providence as much of the path would be over water.

1030 is by far the strongest east coast signal in the great lakes region.

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 14:26:27 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:26:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
Message-ID: <472230.1226517987047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:07 AM
>
> Another consideration would have been the effect 
> on co-owned KDKA. WBZ's nighttime skywave signal 
> would have blown KDKA out of the water right in 
> the city of Pittsburgh.

Especially with their raised adjacent-channel IBOC 
noise that would've resulted from such an increase.

EP




From Joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 12 14:33:53 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:33:53 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>,
	<A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 12 Nov 2008 Mark Casey wrote:

> For most the average (non-radio hobby person) folks the average day
> and night listenablity stops halfway between Worcester and
> Springfield, around Sturbridge. 

When I was at UMass Amherst, I found WBZ was quite listenable in the 
daytime, but very difficult, if receivable at all, at night.  I kept 
wishing WBZA hadn't been shut down.

> Absent the 500kw idea, what WBZ could have done , (or could do now) ,
> would be to purchase several stations around New England to similcast
> its signal on.(50 kw directional 640-WNNZ would be one near perfect
> candidate, at least coverage-wise).

Maybe they could revive WBZA. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 12 14:35:46 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:35:46 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
References: <472230.1226517987047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1122C268A4FB4AEFB00646545AEF5868@SatU205S5044>

Of course, back when the super-power idea was alive, nobody had heard
of IBOC. In fact, I don't think the FCC had yet thought of including
the contributions of adjacent-channel stations in AM NIF calculations.
And even today, AM NIF calculations don't include the effects of IBOC,
which is on-channel for first-adjacent signals. Correctly including
IBOC in the NIF calculations would nail the coffin shut for nighttime
IBOC. And since the powers that be at the NAB, which controls the FCC,
don't want the coffin nailed shut, the calculations don't even pay
lip service to IBOC.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eli Polonsky" <elipolo@earthlink.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Kevin Vahey"
<kvahey@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????


>> From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
>> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:07 AM
>>
>> Another consideration would have been the effect
>> on co-owned KDKA. WBZ's nighttime skywave signal
>> would have blown KDKA out of the water right in
>> the city of Pittsburgh.
>
> Especially with their raised adjacent-channel IBOC
> noise that would've resulted from such an increase.
>
> EP
>
>
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 15:11:24 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:11:24 -0600
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
In-Reply-To: <822049.52738.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811120754k1fa2dffak39075f75e3040525@mail.gmail.com>
	<822049.52738.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811121211p1725f861m7c5a5db143dd7f37@mail.gmail.com>

My old radio was a stock Dodge Mopar radio. The only issue with it was
no way to turn off AM Stereo.





On 11/12/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11/12/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Still WFAN can be heard daytime
>> deep into
>> Virginia.
>
> Really? I have issues picking it up in Delaware on trips south.
>
> Maybe my (2005 GM factory) car radio just blows that bad.
>
>
>
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 14:57:02 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811120754k1fa2dffak39075f75e3040525@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <822049.52738.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 11/12/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Still WFAN can be heard daytime
> deep into
> Virginia.

Really? I have issues picking it up in Delaware on trips south.

Maybe my (2005 GM factory) car radio just blows that bad.


      

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 12 16:37:57 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:37:57 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>,
	<491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491B0665.21078.221864@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 12 Nov 2008 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

> I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's
> old 990 frequency.

It was on 1030 when it was discontinued.  It was 1000 watts, which 
probably only gave it a listenable signal around Springfield and 
wouldn't have helped me in Amherst anyway.  I wonder if it could be 
revived there today, if WBZ asked for it.  Probably there would be 
all sorts of regulations that would have to be waived, and I'm not 
sure why WBZ would want it. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:39:25 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:39:25 -0600
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <491B0665.21078.221864@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
	<491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B0665.21078.221864@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811121339h12a4d610ye6045b3873308328@mail.gmail.com>

Why did I think it was on 990 then? Where did I get confused I wonder?

Paul


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM, A. Joseph Ross <Joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 12 Nov 2008 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>
> > I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's
> > old 990 frequency.
>
> It was on 1030 when it was discontinued.  It was 1000 watts, which
> probably only gave it a listenable signal around Springfield and
> wouldn't have helped me in Amherst anyway.  I wonder if it could be
> revived there today, if WBZ asked for it.  Probably there would be
> all sorts of regulations that would have to be waived, and I'm not
> sure why WBZ would want it.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
www.onairdj.com
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:58:10 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:58:10 -0500
Subject: Donna's article from Taylor's Radio-Info
Message-ID: <20081112215810.7C7D183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

NY Daily News said that Fox News' Roger Ailes told the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly,
and Susteren to "lay off the President-elect, at least for awhile". 

For awhile some on the conservative messageboard Free Republic have complained about
the channel "moving to the left" and a boycott was even launched.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 12 17:23:56 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:23:56 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com><491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com><8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com><491B0665.21078.221864@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<8bce0fe80811121339h12a4d610ye6045b3873308328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3AB66EEF8BF462C9AED7321EF3FCC6A@SatU205S5044>

WBZA operated synchronously with WBZ. The technology of the day did
not allow perfect frequency synchronization at reasonable cost, so as
you drove from Boston toward Springfield, you could hear the signal
slowly fade up and down. Originally, the Springfield station had the
WBZ calls and the Boston station was WBZA. Before NARBA, 3/31/1941,
both stations were on 990. NARBA reassigned them both to 1030.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com>
Cc: "Mark Casey" <map@mapinternet.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw
speculation


> Why did I think it was on 990 then? Where did I get confused I
> wonder?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM, A. Joseph Ross
> <Joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:
>
>> On 12 Nov 2008 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> > I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on
>> > it's
>> > old 990 frequency.
>>
>> It was on 1030 when it was discontinued.  It was 1000 watts, which
>> probably only gave it a listenable signal around Springfield and
>> wouldn't have helped me in Amherst anyway.  I wonder if it could be
>> revived there today, if WBZ asked for it.  Probably there would be
>> all sorts of regulations that would have to be waived, and I'm not
>> sure why WBZ would want it.
>>
>> --
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> www.onairdj.com
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 14:38:13 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:38:13 -0600
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com>

I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's old 990
frequency.

Paul Walker


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:33 PM, A. Joseph Ross <Joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 12 Nov 2008 Mark Casey wrote:
>
> > For most the average (non-radio hobby person) folks the average day
> > and night listenablity stops halfway between Worcester and
> > Springfield, around Sturbridge.
>
> When I was at UMass Amherst, I found WBZ was quite listenable in the
> daytime, but very difficult, if receivable at all, at night.  I kept
> wishing WBZA hadn't been shut down.
>
> > Absent the 500kw idea, what WBZ could have done , (or could do now) ,
> > would be to purchase several stations around New England to similcast
> > its signal on.(50 kw directional 640-WNNZ would be one near perfect
> > candidate, at least coverage-wise).
>
> Maybe they could revive WBZA.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
www.onairdj.com
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 19:17:03 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:17:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <C3AB66EEF8BF462C9AED7321EF3FCC6A@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <810951.97094.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 11/12/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> The technology of the
> day did
> not allow perfect frequency synchronization at reasonable
> cost, so as
> you drove from Boston toward Springfield, you could hear
> the signal
> slowly fade up and down. 

Is perfect synchronization reality, or still a dream? When in New Hampshire, I notice some infighting between 92.1 Peterborough and 92.1 Sanford ME on my drives along NH 125, starting not far east of Salem. 


      

From hykker@wildblue.net  Wed Nov 12 20:43:31 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:43:31 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
In-Reply-To: <822049.52738.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811120754k1fa2dffak39075f75e3040525@mail.gmail.com>
	<822049.52738.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491b8661.2204be0a.14b9.ffffc459@mx.google.com>

  Sean Smyth wrote:


>Really? I have issues picking it up in Delaware on trips south.
>
>Maybe my (2005 GM factory) car radio just blows that bad.


Something seemed to happen to car radios around 2001 or so.  It 
doesn't seem to matter what make car, they all are pretty dreadful 
now.  Since most auto makers offer factory satellite radio, I'm 
wondering if they intentionally crippled the terrestrial portion to 
make satellite look better.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov 12 20:30:48 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:30:48 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
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At 1:38 PM -0600 11/12/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

>I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's old 990
>frequency.
>

It could be revived on the HD-2 or HD-3 channel of an FM station in 
the Springfield area, if CBS owns a station there.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 12 22:24:59 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:24:59 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
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Well, using a GPS-based system, WLLH has, it is claimed, completely
eliminated sub-audio harmonics. And the technique was not
prohibitively expensive. I can't understand how this technque could
possibly have eliminated standing waves, however. But I can understand
that it might be possible to position the standing wave minima so that
they are located in areas of minimum population.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw
speculation


> On Wed, 11/12/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
>> The technology of the
>> day did
>> not allow perfect frequency synchronization at reasonable
>> cost, so as
>> you drove from Boston toward Springfield, you could hear
>> the signal
>> slowly fade up and down.
>
> Is perfect synchronization reality, or still a dream? When in New
> Hampshire, I notice some infighting between 92.1 Peterborough and
> 92.1 Sanford ME on my drives along NH 125, starting not far east of
> Salem.
>
>
>


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Nov 12 22:49:43 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:49:43 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Richard Chonak" <rac@gabrielmass.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...


> Well, that's the system we live in.

The system does not have to include the Fairness Doctrine.  We can avoid the 
need for anyone ever to have to go to court.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov 12 23:04:09 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:04:09 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW????
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At 8:43 PM -0500 11/12/08, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
>
>Something seemed to happen to car radios around 2001 or so.  It 
>doesn't seem to matter what make car, they all are pretty dreadful 
>now.  Since most auto makers offer factory satellite radio, I'm 
>wondering if they intentionally crippled the terrestrial portion to 
>make satellite look better.

Is the real problem the receivers or the antennas?  Most cars these 
days have either an in-glass antenna or a short stubby one.
-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 20:36:16 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:36:16 -0600
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
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Which they don't.. but their Hartford FMs are listenable in most of
Springfield.

However, I don't see the point of putting WBZ-AM on an HD2 or 3 in
Springfield.. Boston maybe.

Paul

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:

> At 1:38 PM -0600 11/12/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>
>  I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's old
>> 990
>> frequency.
>>
>>
> It could be revived on the HD-2 or HD-3 channel of an FM station in the
> Springfield area, if CBS owns a station there.
>
> --
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
www.onairdj.com
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 01:18:58 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:18:58 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>> Well, that's the system we live in.
>
> The system does not have to include the Fairness Doctrine.  We can avoid 
> the need for anyone ever to have to go to court.


The system can also without any problems include the Fairness Doctrine.

We had it before, and I don't remember scores of stations being dragged into 
court. 


From chris2526@comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 01:48:51 2008
From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:48:51 -0500
Subject: 500KW WBZ
Message-ID: <67414A37EA6C4136AF7FCD847A6F62D8@Chicken159>

Interesting topic just a few observations, I remember the jingle WBZ 
Boston....WBZA Springfield...look no further you have found the station most 
up-to-date in town with music and news the best around
WBZ Boston 1030...1030...1030

While working in Florida years ago I did vacation coverage for a friend Jim 
Free the CE at WAPE, it was a common tale that two AM stations covered the 
entire east coast from Eastport, Maine to Miami, they were WOR 710 and WAPE 
690.
You could get great signals from both in Virginia Beach, there was a Cuban 
on 690 that caused problems south of Miami..

Have noticed lots of ground wave-skywave cancellation lately on WBZ
as close in as Andover on I-93.

I have a recent model Ford SUV,  the FM section is quite good,
the AM is exceptional, no internal electrical noise from the car...hope
it stays that way as the car ages.
Can and do listen to WCBS during the day all the way across the NH 
border....WFAN also OK, WOR and WABC listenable.
Tonight I once again heard the 740 in Newfoundland strong under
CHWO, I think the call letters are VOCR.

Dan, if you are out and about in the Merrimack Valley some day
drive across 495 from Lowell to Lawrence or vice versa listening
to WLLH day or night...no one I know has been able to hear any
interaction what-so-ever since the new Harris DAX-1 transmitters
were installed, it was minimal with the Harris SX-1's.
The external oscillator feeds to the SX-1's required a sine wave but the 
DAX-1's need a square wave, this seems to have improved the interaction.
I plan to do something with the two 92.1's in the near future, now there is 
a slight delay on the 92.1 in Maine due to a model difference
between the Optimod 8200's with no way to adjust the delay as with the newer 
Omnias



From rbello@belloassoc.com  Thu Nov 13 00:18:35 2008
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:18:35 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
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CBS owns WTIC-FM and WRCH in Hartford which also cover the Springfield market.
They also own WZMX which gets the southern part.


At 08:30 PM 11/12/2008, Larry Weil wrote:
>At 1:38 PM -0600 11/12/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>
>>I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's old 990
>>frequency.
>
>It could be revived on the HD-2 or HD-3 channel of an FM station in 
>the Springfield area, if CBS owns a station there.
>
>--
>Larry Weil
>Lake Wobegone, NH

From rbello@belloassoc.com  Thu Nov 13 01:53:28 2008
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:53:28 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
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If they did anything it would most likely be WTIC (AM) on a FM HD channel



At 08:36 PM 11/12/2008, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>Which they don't.. but their Hartford FMs are listenable in most of
>Springfield.
>
>However, I don't see the point of putting WBZ-AM on an HD2 or 3 in
>Springfield.. Boston maybe.
>
>Paul
>
>On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > At 1:38 PM -0600 11/12/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> >
> >  I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on it's old
> >> 990
> >> frequency.
> >>
> >>
> > It could be revived on the HD-2 or HD-3 channel of an FM station in the
> > Springfield area, if CBS owns a station there.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Weil
> > Lake Wobegone, NH
> >
>
>
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>Paul B. Walker, Jr.
>www.onairdj.com
>walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 03:45:19 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:45:19 -0600
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <491B0665.21078.221864@Joe.attorneyross.com>
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Time for Professor Halper to weigh in.

Westinghouse started WBZ in Springfield and then decided that they
should consider Boston as their primary market.

How exactly did that play out back then?

Westinghouse had enough clout in those early days to do what they
wanted. Take for example moving Chicago's first station KYW to
Philadelphia when Sears (WLS) and Tribune (WGN) became more popular.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov 13 07:32:25 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:32:25 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Richard Chonak" 
<rac@gabrielmass.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...


> We had it before, and I don't remember scores of stations being dragged 
> into court.

Because they gave in to regulation.

In comes down to whether or not you want the government to be able to impact 
programming.  I don't.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 13 07:57:19 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:57:19 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com><A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af><491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com><8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com><p06240801c541335ccb7c@192.168.0.100>
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Has WBZ given up on promoting itself as NEW ENGLAND's most listened-to
radio station? If not, they are at least paying lip service to serving
portions of New England outside of the immediate Boston market. I
realize that they might not be trying to get business from parts of
New England like the Connecticut Valley, but there is an outside
chance that they might be interested in attracting such business. If
so, being on an HD-n subchannel in Hartford or Springfield could make
sense.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
Cc: "Mark Casey" <map@mapinternet.com>; "A. Joseph Ross"
<Joe@attorneyross.com>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw
speculation


> Which they don't.. but their Hartford FMs are listenable in most of
> Springfield.
>
> However, I don't see the point of putting WBZ-AM on an HD2 or 3 in
> Springfield.. Boston maybe.
>
> Paul
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> At 1:38 PM -0600 11/12/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>  I very highly doubt WBZA could be revived today, especially on
>> it's old
>>> 990
>>> frequency.
>>>
>>>
>> It could be revived on the HD-2 or HD-3 channel of an FM station in
>> the
>> Springfield area, if CBS owns a station there.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Weil
>> Lake Wobegone, NH
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> www.onairdj.com
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 09:18:48 2008
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:18:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WAS 500KW WBZ --  Is WBZ 990 jingle
In-Reply-To: <67414A37EA6C4136AF7FCD847A6F62D8@Chicken159>
Message-ID: <169800.60351.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I remember the
> jingle WBZ Boston....WBZA Springfield...look no further you
> have found the station most up-to-date in town with music
> and news the best around
> WBZ Boston 1030...1030...1030
> 

Do any recordings of jingles exist pre-NARBA 1941 for WBZ 990 ?


John B
N1QGS
Derry NH

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 13 10:45:52 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:45:52 -0500
Subject: WAS 500KW WBZ --  Is WBZ 990 jingle
References: <169800.60351.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <30D00F05E7CE46C788D471BE75655D17@SatU205S5044>

Scott Fybush is the list member most likely to have an answer (he
worked at 'BZ), but I would be surprised if WBZ used jingles in IDs in
the 1930s. I doubt whether any station did. IIRC, the first radio
jingle of any kind was "PepsiCola Hits the Spot" and I don't believe
it arrived until the early '40s. I was around then, but I wasn't very
old and I can't remember whether or not the Pepsi jingle burst on the
scene before of after Pearl Harbor. I do remember that my parents and
I were captivated by the jingle and often sang along with it when we
heard it on the radio; it was memorable and easy to sing.

In the New York area, where we lived, another early and very popular
jingle was for Three Little Sachs Furniture in the Bronx: "Melrose
five five three hundred," later corrupted by Larry Glick in Boston to
254-5678. Note that Larry had to slightly alter the rhyme scheme to
make the music fit his phone number. Seven has two syllables; "hun"
has only one.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bolduc" <n1qgs@yahoo.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: WAS 500KW WBZ -- Is WBZ 990 jingle


>> I remember the
>> jingle WBZ Boston....WBZA Springfield...look no further you
>> have found the station most up-to-date in town with music
>> and news the best around
>> WBZ Boston 1030...1030...1030
>>
>
> Do any recordings of jingles exist pre-NARBA 1941 for WBZ 990 ?
>
>
> John B
> N1QGS
> Derry NH


From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov 13 11:10:43 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:10:43 -0500
Subject: WAS 500KW WBZ --  Is WBZ 990 jingle
In-Reply-To: <30D00F05E7CE46C788D471BE75655D17@SatU205S5044>
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	<30D00F05E7CE46C788D471BE75655D17@SatU205S5044>
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Scott Fybush is the list member most likely to have an answer (he
> worked at 'BZ), but I would be surprised if WBZ used jingles in IDs in
> the 1930s. I doubt whether any station did. IIRC, the first radio
> jingle of any kind was "PepsiCola Hits the Spot" and I don't believe
> it arrived until the early '40s. I was around then, but I wasn't very
> old and I can't remember whether or not the Pepsi jingle burst on the
> scene before of after Pearl Harbor. I do remember that my parents and
> I were captivated by the jingle and often sang along with it when we
> heard it on the radio; it was memorable and easy to sing.

The earliest jingles I'm aware of for WBZ - amd certainly the earliest 
still extant in the station's Big Closet O' Jingle Masters (and in my 
set of dubs therefrom) - were done circa 1959 by Heller. They're the 
ones that go "WBZ Boston...pluuu-u-u-usssss....WBZA - in Springfield!"

I don't recall that those mentioned the frequency at all, though of 
course it was 1030 by then.

s




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 12:53:04 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:53:04 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
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>> We had it before, and I don't remember scores of stations being dragged
>> into court.
>
> Because they gave in to regulation.

Or because they gave into fairness.

> In comes down to whether or not you want the government to be able to 
> impact programming.  I don't.

The government has always impacted programming in some sense or another.

It comes down to whether you think people who use the public airwaves have 
some obligation to be responsible or not.  I do.

It also comes down to whether you think someone who is unfairly attacked 
(not neccessarily a public person/politician) should have any recourse. I 
do.

(Take a look at the Red Lion case.)



From map@mapinternet.com  Thu Nov 13 13:42:01 2008
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:42:01 -0500
Subject: WBZ HD speculation & HD future
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com><A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af><491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com><8bce0fe80811121138x6d8bc12bn183ee8bd2f58de89@mail.gmail.com><p06240801c541335ccb7c@192.168.0.100>
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	<1211958801A24709949A1FC854515009@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <250DC46AF7D744FCB30356BC13620BF4@yourm3vezyx8af>

If WBZ does see a profitable future in covering more of New England than the 
Boston area, then maybe HD radio would be a cost effective vehicle.

Then you've got to speculate as to how large an HD radio audience there will 
be.

The way it looks now is that HD FM will continue to expand and might just 
attract a decent number of listeners in the next few years. The HD FM signal 
is good. I don't know it if has the same range as the main FM analog signal. 
Maybe someone on this list can answer that question.

However, the future of HD AM looks pretty bleak. The HD AM range is small. I 
can't get a steady signal on WTIC HD, within sight of the towers (22 miles 
away). The HD AM proponents want to be able to crank up the power in the 
sidebands, but that will make worse an already bad adjacent channel 
interference situation. That problem is mostly at night, but the example now 
rears its' ugly head nearly every night when KDKA HD clobbers WBZ only 80 or 
90 miles west of Boston.

So, here's my crazy plan: WBZ goes on HD FM signals throughout New England. 
Daytime programming splits every 10 minutes during the Boston traffic and 
weather segments and regional news and weather is inserted for those HD 
stations more than 50 miles from Boston. Top regional stories are run once 
an hour on all stations. And, maybe a partnership with NECN would work well 
for both WBZ and NECN. I think it would sell.

There is one good point for WBZ being available, at least, in Western Mass. 
That is that folks in Western Mass want to hear state news. Locals like WHYN 
do not do a good job of covering state news. Which is probably why WBZ still 
shows up in Western Mass ratings. Not many regular listeners will put up 
with the scratchy signal that 'BZ has out here--unless WBZ has some news 
that no other local Western Mass outlet has--which it does. Just my opinion, 
but I think that the regional news on FM HD would sell in the other New 
England states, too. And, that the entertainment portion of WBZ's broadcast 
schedule, Dan Rae, and Steve Lavelle, etc., and sports, would do well also.

Mark Casey, K1MAP
Hampden, MA



From: "Dan.Strassberg"

Subject: Re: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation


Has WBZ given up on promoting itself as NEW ENGLAND's most listened-to
radio station? If not, they are at least paying lip service to serving
portions of New England outside of the immediate Boston market. I
realize that they might not be trying to get business from parts of
New England like the Connecticut Valley, but there is an outside
chance that they might be interested in attracting such business. If
so, being on an HD-n subchannel in Hartford or Springfield could make
sense.

-----


From friedbagels@gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 11:07:10 2008
From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:07:10 -0500
Subject: What if WBZ had gone 500KW???? (car antennas)
Message-ID: <491C50AE.2030709@gmail.com>

It was indeed car antennas.  Around the late 1990's/early 2000's, many 
car manufacturers made a real push to reduce or "hide" radio antennas in 
response to negative consumer feelings towards them:  they often break 
or bend when run through a car wash, and the motorized ones that 
automatically go up/down also have a lot of moving parts that break, too.

That said, I think you'll find that virtually all of the HD Radio 
receivers for the auto have remarkably good FM and AM sensitivity.  Even 
if you don't care about the HD part, I highly recommend trying them just 
for regular analog listening.

For example, I used to have the "gold standard" of FM listening: the 
Blaupunkt Casablanca CD-51 with SHARX DSP I.F. filtering.  I thought it 
still was until I swapped out my "old" Kenwood HTC-HR100 and the 
sensitivity dropped like a brick.  Granted, the Kenwood is quite good 
overall in FM/AM sensitivity, but it's not the best...and it still blew 
the doors off my old beloved Casablanca.  I have a JVC KD-HDR1 these 
days and I'm quite happy with it for both analog and HD listening.

BTW, appropo of nothing, I wonder if WBZ and the other "super AM's" had 
remained at 500kW ERP...IBOC might never have happened.  I'm not all 
that familiar with IBOC for AM, but it strikes me that it'd be bastardly 
difficult to figure out how to run IBOC injection at power levels like 
that...especially with the technology available in the 1980's.  So much 
so that Lucent and USA Radio might've deemed it impossible at the start...?

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Read                  |  Finger Lakes Public Radio
friedbagels@gmail.com       |  General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP)
Geneva, NY 14456            |  www.weos.org / www.whws.fm



At 8:43 PM -0500 11/12/08, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
 >
 >Something seemed to happen to car radios around 2001 or so.  It
 >doesn't seem to matter what make car, they all are pretty dreadful
 >now.  Since most auto makers offer factory satellite radio, I'm
 >wondering if they intentionally crippled the terrestrial portion to
 >make satellite look better.

Is the real problem the receivers or the antennas?  Most cars these
days have either an in-glass antenna or a short stubby one.
-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 13 14:47:04 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:47:04 -0500
Subject: WAS 500KW WBZ --  Is WBZ 990 jingle
In-Reply-To: <169800.60351.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <67414A37EA6C4136AF7FCD847A6F62D8@Chicken159>,
	<169800.60351.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491C3DE8.24853.30E19C@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 13 Nov 2008 John Bolduc wrote:

> Do any recordings of jingles exist pre-NARBA 1941 for WBZ 990 ?

Were there recorded jingles on radio back then?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 13 14:47:04 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:47:04 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 13 Nov 2008 Dan Billings wrote:


> In comes down to whether or not you want the government to be able to
> impact programming.  I don't.

It's interesting how many people out there think the government 
should be out of regulating programming when it comes to fairness of 
coverage, but they think it's just fine for the government to stop 
stations from broadcasting dirty words or nudity.  Kinda like the 
statement by Josh Lyman on "The West Wing" that Republicans want to 
shrink government until it's just small enough to fit in our 
bedrooms.

Knowing you, I suspect you may not share that point of view, but I'll 
let you speak for yourself.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov 13 18:33:46 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:46 -0500
Subject: WBZ morning signal skywave interference & 500kw speculation
In-Reply-To: <1211958801A24709949A1FC854515009@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770811112204w5c57a7c1w562948e2a55b1cac@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B7223BF6BF4F76BCB34CB88CA52B1F@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<491AE951.22508.2D0BAD@Joe.attorneyross.com>
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	<1211958801A24709949A1FC854515009@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18716.47450.586310.674241@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:57:19 -0500, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> Has WBZ given up on promoting itself as NEW ENGLAND's most listened-to
> radio station? If not, they are at least paying lip service to serving
> portions of New England outside of the immediate Boston market.

You mean that there's a part of New England that isn't in the
immediate Boston market?  You couldn't tell from the Boston media....

-GAWollman


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 19:55:42 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WBZ HD speculation & HD future
In-Reply-To: <250DC46AF7D744FCB30356BC13620BF4@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <425102.81498.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 11/13/08, Mark Casey <map@mapinternet.com> wrote:
> There is one good point for WBZ being available, at least,
> in Western Mass. 
> That is that folks in Western Mass want to hear state news.

I don't see Massachusetts as the type of state that would support a statewide network, like Radio PA or NJN (though I am surprised it's happened there) or what have you.

For the most part, outside the 495 belt (except the Merrimack Valley and the Cape) and inside the 495 belt are two different states.


      

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Thu Nov 13 20:49:07 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:49:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
Message-ID: <450109.35238.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/?p=685&srvc=home&position=recent

Three gone, the most notable name on that list Bob McMahon.


      

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov 13 22:08:45 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:45 -0500
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
In-Reply-To: <450109.35238.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <450109.35238.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:
> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/?p=685&srvc=home&position=recent
> 
> Three gone, the most notable name on that list Bob McMahon.
> 

And they misspelled Scot Cooper's name, too.

When they're cutting guys like Coop - the unsung folks who do all the 
work to make the guys on the air sound good - then the end times are at 
hand.

I'm glad I got out of there when I did. These are truly ugly times.

s


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Fri Nov 14 02:10:58 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:10:58 -0500
Subject: Friedman commentary: FNC not likely to sag from Obama election
Message-ID: <491D2482.3020602@gabrielmass.com>

In the cable (radio-with-pictures-but-delivered-via-wires) dept.:

Jon Friedman (Marketwatch) offers some reasons why Fox News Channel 
stands to keep doing well despite the election of Barack "the 
Wonderworker" Obama:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fox-news-assessing-obama-world/story.aspx?guid={94305B75-EEC2-4AF6-A709-C20F399A1767}&dist=morenews

To summarize Friedman's points: (a) Fox's core audience is loyal; (b) 
Roger Ailes isn't a slacker; (c) FNC prefers to present itself as an 
outsider and did just fine during the Clinton years;  (d) network stars 
O'Reilly and Hannity have re-upped, while Glenn Beck has made the jump 
from CNNHN, and  (e) oh, the network had superb ratings in October.

All of which sounds pretty reasonable to me.   I find FNC a mixed bag, 
with some very worthwhile programs (e.g., Special Report); and even some 
shows that I consider unwatchable (Hannity & Colmes) do seem to be 
genuinely popular.

And who would have thought that Fox News would end up running an acerbic 
and funny late-night panel show (Red Eye)?  (Does it even register on 
the ratings?)

-_RC

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Nov 14 02:20:11 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 7:20:11 +0000
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
In-Reply-To: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>


---- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote: 

> 
> I'm glad I got out of there when I did. These are truly ugly times.
>

these times are not pretty ones in the least.  i know Allan has been there since at least 1989 - he was doing weekend sports while i was doing weekend shifts.  

fingers-crossed for the remaining vets there

--Chuck Igo



From friedbagels@gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 11:34:26 2008
From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:34:26 -0500
Subject: WBZ, IBOC for AM, and the BMC proposal
Message-ID: <491DA892.4090602@gmail.com>

 > If WBZ does see a profitable future in covering more of New England
 > than the Boston area, then maybe HD radio would be a cost
 > effective vehicle.
 >

With but a few exceptions, stations do not "sell their skywave", so to 
speak.  Granted, WBZ is sometimes one of those exceptions, but even so, 
I don't think WBZ has a whole lot of advertisers that're buying because 
WBZ can be heard in Bermuda at night.  They buy because WBZ has a 
dominant signal (and, *partially* related to that, WBZ has dominant 
ratings) in the Boston metro area.

BTW, HD Radio carriers generally don't provide anything approaching good 
coverage once you get past the protected contours.  22 miles is about 
that distance (daytime) when you're talking WTIC...toss in perhaps a 
local source of interference, or a lousy groundwave path to your 
location, and no wonder HD performance is poor for you.

Anyways, I do wonder if regionalizing certain signals...like WBZ, WEEI 
and maybe WBUR...on HD2 channels across New England would be a viable 
concept.  New England is the only region of the lower 48 that is clearly 
defined as a quasi-separate entity by virtue of the six states, and it 
sure as hell has a quasi-separate mentality going for it.  Ordinarily I 
wouldn't endorse using HD2 to repeat an already existing signal, but in 
this case...well, it's certainly no worse an idea than a lot of the 
boneheaded HD2 formats I've heard.

BTW, who's seen this interesting item?
http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0048/t.16138.html

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Read                  |  Finger Lakes Public Radio
friedbagels@gmail.com       |  General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP)
Geneva, NY 14456            |  www.weos.org / www.whws.fm

From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 10:54:37 2008
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:54:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WBZ HD speculation & HD future
In-Reply-To: <425102.81498.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <550051.85137.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
> I don't see Massachusetts as the type of state that
> would support a statewide network, like Radio PA or NJN
> (though I am surprised it's happened there) or what have
> you.

    Different states, different situations. Pa. has mega population centers on extreme ends of the state and some medium-large ones in-between, and is far larger in area. N.J. has moderate to heavy population almost everywhere.

     The four counties of western Massachusetts have only 13 percent of the population. If you arbitrarily add to that half of Worcester County's population to represent what's west of a north-south line through the western boundary of Worcester (and I presume that actually way more than half the county's population is in the eastern half), you have 17 percent in the "west."

    Also, IMO, folks out there are just as interested in state government and politics news as anyone else. They just don't get as much of it.     

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 14 13:33:02 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:33:02 -0500
Subject: letters to Globe re: Talk radio article
Message-ID: <20081114183302.7A84183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Today's Globe has several letters to the editor about the Tolz/Elman talk radio article. I
would like to mention the one from "Stephen in Cambridge" in which he said that Obama's
election may have been most due to "factors talk radio couldn't affect" such as the
media's "favor" with him (MSNBC, CNN, broadcast networks), the bad rep Republicans
got after W, and the "staggering" amount of money Obama's campaign spent. (Obama
broke a promise to only accept public funding. It was thought that there would be
a huge number of "527" coalition ads, but due to the bad economy, there were hardly
any.)

(Stephen closes by saying that since Obama only won by a few percentage points in
the popular vote, maybe THAT is a sign of talk radio's influence--not so much liberal
talk radio helping Obama, but conservative talk radio helping McCain, to keep the
popular vote as close as it was, given those factors.)

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/11/14/stephen_in_cambridge/

Other letters can be seen, including one from L.A. prog. talker Johnny Wendell (known locally
as "Johnny Angel" from several rock bands). A friend of mine in L.A. sent me a tape of
Wendell's show on Super Tuesday, and he had Howie Carr call in with his opinions... 

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 18:26:52 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:26:52 -0600
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
In-Reply-To: <20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>
References: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>
	<20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811141526u4caf521eq3bbcafb047aa37e4@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder how much longer Tom Cuddy can hang on as honestly he brings
less to the table than Allan.

Hopefully WEEI will pick him up.

I also hope John Miller is safe. The man beat incredible odds to get a
full time job in broadcasting and he is one of the nicest people you
could ever meet.

He IS the WBZ sports departmeent.

On 11/14/08, chuckigo@maine.rr.com <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
> ---- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm glad I got out of there when I did. These are truly ugly times.
>>
>
> these times are not pretty ones in the least.  i know Allan has been there
> since at least 1989 - he was doing weekend sports while i was doing weekend
> shifts.
>
> fingers-crossed for the remaining vets there
>
> --Chuck Igo
>
>
>

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Nov 14 21:41:23 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:41:23 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC>
	<491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...

> It's interesting how many people out there think the government 
> should be out of regulating programming when it comes to fairness of 
> coverage, but they think it's just fine for the government to stop 
> stations from broadcasting dirty words or nudity.  

Not me.  Let the market decide.  

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 15 01:16:15 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:16:15 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:41, Dan Billings wrote:

> > It's interesting how many people out there think the government
> > should be out of regulating programming when it comes to fairness of
> > coverage, but they think it's just fine for the government to stop
> > stations from broadcasting dirty words or nudity.  
> 
> Not me.  Let the market decide.  

That's what I thought you'd say.  It's why, even though I disagree 
with you, I respect your opinions much better than I do many other 
conservatives.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From scott@fybush.com  Sat Nov 15 01:31:50 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:31:50 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
	<491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:41, Dan Billings wrote:
> 
>>> It's interesting how many people out there think the government
>>> should be out of regulating programming when it comes to fairness of
>>> coverage, but they think it's just fine for the government to stop
>>> stations from broadcasting dirty words or nudity.  
>> Not me.  Let the market decide.  
> 
> That's what I thought you'd say.  It's why, even though I disagree 
> with you, I respect your opinions much better than I do many other 
> conservatives.
> 

So what do you make of this decidedly non-conservative who agrees 100% 
with Dan - I don't want the government regulating political speech OR 
sexual content on radio or TV?

s

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 15 01:49:52 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:49:52 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC><491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>


> Not me.  Let the market decide.

The marketplace solution!  

We all know how well it worked on Wall Street....



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Nov 15 04:48:01 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:48:01 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>	<491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <491E9AD1.4010805@gabrielmass.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> So what do you make of this decidedly non-conservative who agrees 100% 
> with Dan - I don't want the government regulating political speech OR 
> sexual content on radio or TV?

A good point.  If I may say so, your views and Dan's on the matter are 
libertarian, rather than conservative _per se_.

Conservatism as such aims to _conserve_ Western culture and the good 
things about it, and seeks to be guided by history and experience, 
rather than by a rigorous application of ideological principles (with 
the chips falling where they may).

So conservatives, due to experience, are skeptical about what government 
can do to remake man (as in the Communist ideal) or heal the planet 
(whatever), but they are willing to use modest, non-draconian sanctions 
to accomplish modest goods, such as to keep what is obscene ob-scene: 
that is, "off-stage" (as the Greek dramatists put it).

It's amazing that public opposition to obscenity in public speech, 
broadcasting, film, novels, and periodicals has evaporated in 50 years 
-- but maybe I shouldn't assume that public opposition is altogether 
gone.  After all, who studies public opinion on such questions as 
censorship these days?

--RC


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Nov 15 04:50:42 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:50:42 -0500
Subject: Misread Title
Message-ID: <491E9B72.8020603@gabrielmass.com>

I just stumbled on a blog with the title "Constant Inanity", and for a 
moment I confused it with Colmes and Hannity.  Same thing. ;-)

-_RC

From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 10:51:52 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC><491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
	<7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>

Don A wrote:
>
>> Not me.  Let the market decide.
>
> The marketplace solution! 
> We all know how well it worked on Wall Street....
It was not free market economics in play on Wall & Broad when lenders 
were strong-armed into delivering risky loans to otherwise unsuitable 
recipients throughout the past 15 years.

 b -

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 15 11:18:41 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:18:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
References: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>
	<20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>
	<4fc429770811141526u4caf521eq3bbcafb047aa37e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <324769.57533.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Given the budget woes at Entercom, and the need to resign the Big O, I doubt they're going to add anyone to WEEI full-time right now. Filling in here and there may be another matter, but now that they have Mike Felger it's much less of an issue. 



________________________________
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: chuckigo@maine.rr.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).

I wonder how much longer Tom Cuddy can hang on as honestly he brings
less to the table than Allan.

Hopefully WEEI will pick him up.

I also hope John Miller is safe. The man beat incredible odds to get a
full time job in broadcasting and he is one of the nicest people you
could ever meet.

He IS the WBZ sports departmeent.

On 11/14/08, chuckigo@maine.rr.com <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
> ---- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm glad I got out of there when I did. These are truly ugly times.
>>
>
> these times are not pretty ones in the least.? i know Allan has been there
> since at least 1989 - he was doing weekend sports while i was doing weekend
> shifts.
>
> fingers-crossed for the remaining vets there
>
> --Chuck Igo
>
>
>



      

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 15 12:26:46 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:26:46 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC><491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC><7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>
	<491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1492E270AD942DC8B3C6E90D8C95FF1@MainXPPro>


>>> Not me.  Let the market decide.
>>
>> The marketplace solution! We all know how well it worked on Wall 
>> Street....
>
> It was not free market economics in play on Wall & Broad when lenders were 
> strong-armed into delivering risky loans to otherwise unsuitable 
> recipients throughout the past 15 years.

While these mortgages were written, Wall Street freely bought them up...and 
couldn't get enought of them.

And those wonderful regulation free 'Credit Default Swaps' certainly helped 
things along....

Sometimes when left to their own vices, the result is not always best. 


From Joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 15 14:30:13 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:30:13 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <491EDCF5.32397.2C939F@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 15 Nov 2008 Scott Fybush wrote:

> So what do you make of this decidedly non-conservative who agrees 100%
> with Dan - I don't want the government regulating political speech OR
> sexual content on radio or TV?

It's not entirely a conservative position, and there are a lot of 
positions on various issues which were once liberal and are now 
conservative and vice versa.  For example, isolationism was a strong 
conservative position in the 1950s.  In the late 60s and 70s, it was 
often a liberal position.  In 1960, it was Kennedy who complained 
about Eisenhower's cuts in the defense budget.  Stevenson, in 1956, 
proposed eliminating the military draft.  In 1968, Nixon promised to 
do it and, eventually did so.  Since then, it has been liberals who 
have been more opposed to any attempt to restore the draft.  But it 
was Harry Truman, in the late 1940s, who pushed Universal Military 
Training.  I'm sure anyone can find many other examples.

So it's not liberal or conservative, it's whether someone has the 
integrity to apply their principles to different situations or to 
have a principled reason why not to.  I have less respect for people 
who are for small government if they are only for small government 
when it comes to business regulation, but want intrusive government 
when it comes to personal liberties.  Likewise, I think there's 
something inconsistent about people who claim to be pro-life, but 
favor the death penalty.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 15 14:30:13 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:30:13 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491E9AD1.4010805@gabrielmass.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>, <491E9AD1.4010805@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <491EDCF5.1765.2C9302@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 15 Nov 2008 Richard Chonak wrote:

> A good point.  If I may say so, your views and Dan's on the matter are
> libertarian, rather than conservative _per se_.

Again, labels.
 
> Conservatism as such aims to _conserve_ Western culture and the good
> things about it, and seeks to be guided by history and experience,
> rather than by a rigorous application of ideological principles (with
> the chips falling where they may).

If that were so, conservatives would be more interested in regulating 
business behavior.
 
> So conservatives, due to experience, are skeptical about what
> government can do to remake man (as in the Communist ideal) or heal
> the planet (whatever), but they are willing to use modest,
> non-draconian sanctions to accomplish modest goods, such as to keep
> what is obscene ob-scene: that is, "off-stage" (as the Greek
> dramatists put it).

And to have the federal government intrude into personal and medical 
decisions on when to pull the plug on a person on life support.
 
> It's amazing that public opposition to obscenity in public speech,
> broadcasting, film, novels, and periodicals has evaporated in 50 years
> -- but maybe I shouldn't assume that public opposition is altogether
> gone.  After all, who studies public opinion on such questions as
> censorship these days?

I don't know that it has.  What's changed is what is considered 
obscene.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 14:20:32 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:20:32 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC><491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>	<7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>
	<491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401c94757$3b30a3a0$b191eae0$@net>

Oh, and gluttonous greed, scurrilous speculation, billions in unearned
bonuses, outright scams, rumors and innuendo about the solvency of companies
like BearStearns [which created the initial run], and complete deregulation
and lack of oversight of the industry, had absolutely nothing to do with it
at all? Right. 

In fact, it was a combination of the two: The worst elements of unchecked
free market economics AND certain political interests on both sides of the
aisle pushing large lenders to throw loans at anyone and everyone to make
sure the housing continued buzzing along. In addition, the federal reserve
bank, which brought on the entire calamity by jacking up interest rates from
1 percent in the middle of 2004 to 5.25 percent in the middle of 2006. This
action alone brought on huge spikes in ARMs which sent people who were
otherwise having no problems at all paying their mortgages into bankruptcy. 

Very few people in the media said word one about all of this, unfortunately,
with most people concentrating on the Iraq situation. It's kinda funny and
sad now. If you went back to the time period and listened to any of the big
conservative talk radio shows, they had no problem at all that this was
going on. They too were caught up in the buzz, assuming everything their
friends and financial advisors were telling them was the truth. It turned
out to be a total like and now we're all trillions poorer than we were
before. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bill O'Neill
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:52 AM
To: Don A
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; A. Joseph Ross
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...

Don A wrote:
>
>> Not me.  Let the market decide.
>
> The marketplace solution! 
> We all know how well it worked on Wall Street....
It was not free market economics in play on Wall & Broad when lenders 
were strong-armed into delivering risky loans to otherwise unsuitable 
recipients throughout the past 15 years.

 b -


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sat Nov 15 14:32:46 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:32:46 -0500
Subject: Original WEZE owners
Message-ID: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>

Who were the original owners of WEZE (1260) during its NBC-affiliation heyday?  It was a fairly sizeable operation when I was a kid; I well remember the newspaper ads and studio with the plate glass window, through which passersby could wave to the DJs.  Scott's website gives the name of the controlling company as "WEZE, Inc.," but I don't know who the principals were.    -Doug


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov 15 17:53:15 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:53:15 -0500
Subject: Original WEZE owners
In-Reply-To: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
References: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <20081115225321.36F1E1CB757@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

At 02:32 PM 11/15/2008, Doug Drown wrote:
>Who were the original owners of WEZE (1260) during its 
>NBC-affiliation heyday?  It was a fairly sizeable operation when I 
>was a kid; I well remember the newspaper ads and studio with the 
>plate glass window, through which passersby could wave to the 
>DJs.  Scott's website gives the name of the controlling company as 
>"WEZE, Inc.," but I don't know who the principals were.

Actually, it can now be revealed (and the page on the Boston Radio 
Archives modified).  The owners were in fact "Air Trails 
Broadcasting" owned by Charles Sawyer and J.P. "Pat" Williams.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 17:58:31 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:58:31 -0600
Subject: Original WEZE owners
In-Reply-To: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
References: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811151458j130fbc73m80f08ac018b7cc46@mail.gmail.com>

You raise an interesting question.

The station actualy was #1 in the market in the mid 60's until WJIB came along.

By 1967 they had lost NBC as they would not clear Monitor on weekends
and WCOP would. ( and WCOP wound up with the RedSox in the World
Series )

I have no clue who owned them.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 18:39:42 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:39:42 -0600
Subject: Original WEZE owners
In-Reply-To: <90ec04420811151521p27b04c66i4eb74815dc4380f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811151458j130fbc73m80f08ac018b7cc46@mail.gmail.com>
	<90ec04420811151521p27b04c66i4eb74815dc4380f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811151539y236a0495i954aba7b661f2c65@mail.gmail.com>

No Plough owned WCOP.

WCOP was unique in Boston where the studios were at the transmitter in
Lexington and the offices were in Copley Sq. They did this to make it
easier to always have a first phone on duty at the xmtr.

WMEX ran all tape delay from the transmitter in Quincy including tape
delay on talk shows.

On 11/15/08, Ron Bello <rbello@belloassoc.com> wrote:
> Plough Broadcasting
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> You raise an interesting question.
>>
>> The station actualy was #1 in the market in the mid 60's until WJIB came
>> along.
>>
>> By 1967 they had lost NBC as they would not clear Monitor on weekends
>> and WCOP would. ( and WCOP wound up with the RedSox in the World
>> Series )
>>
>> I have no clue who owned them.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ron Bello
> Bello Associates, Inc.
> 160 Speen Street - Suite 303
> Framingham, MA  01701
> 508-820-1100  Fax 820-1112
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov 15 18:48:20 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:48:20 -0500
Subject: Original WEZE owners
Message-ID: <20081115234825.81C181E1355@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

As I wrote, The original owners of WEZE were in fact "Air Trails 
Broadcasting" owned by Charles Sawyer and J.P. "Pat" Williams.  So, 
was J.P. "Pat"  Williams related to Jay Williams, who was in Boston 
radio at WVBF for a while?


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Sat Nov 15 21:42:16 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:42:16 -0500
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
In-Reply-To: <324769.57533.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>	<20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>	<4fc429770811141526u4caf521eq3bbcafb047aa37e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<324769.57533.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491F8888.4030207@ttlc.net>

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> I wonder how much longer Tom Cuddy can hang on as honestly he brings
> less to the table than Allan
Without Tom Cuddy, there would be no "Sports Profile"


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 21:55:25 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:55:25 -0600
Subject: Job cuts at WBZ (AM).
In-Reply-To: <491F8888.4030207@ttlc.net>
References: <491CEBBD.1010908@fybush.com>
	<20081114072011.USUY6.21854.root@hrndva-web20-z02>
	<4fc429770811141526u4caf521eq3bbcafb047aa37e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<324769.57533.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<491F8888.4030207@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811151855h5025ef5al67a7800ea8fff81@mail.gmail.com>

Very true about Tom. He has been at BZ for 25 years and his
sportscasts are top notch. I only pointed out Allan could do play by
play in a pinch and other things Tom has never done.



On 11/15/08, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> wrote:
> Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I wonder how much longer Tom Cuddy can hang on as honestly he brings
>> less to the table than Allan
> Without Tom Cuddy, there would be no "Sports Profile"
>
>

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Nov 15 22:33:10 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:33:10 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491EDCF5.1765.2C9302@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491E6CD6.6020509@fybush.com>, <491E9AD1.4010805@gabrielmass.com>
	<491EDCF5.1765.2C9302@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <491F9476.2090004@gabrielmass.com>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2008 Richard Chonak wrote:
> 
>> A good point.  If I may say so, your views and Dan's on the matter are
>> libertarian, rather than conservative _per se_.
> 
> Again, labels.

That's right.   Wasn't Scott making a point about the acceptance of 
certain policies (opposition to censorship of sexual content in 
broadcasting) by people who carry contrasting political labels?

>> Conservatism as such aims to _conserve_ Western culture and the good
>> things about it, and seeks to be guided by history and experience,
>> rather than by a rigorous application of ideological principles (with
>> the chips falling where they may).
> 
> If that were so, conservatives would be more interested in regulating 
> business behavior.

We should be.   Alas, many people who hold libertarian opinions but call 
themselves "conservative" don't get this.


>> So conservatives, due to experience, are skeptical about what
>> government can do to remake man (as in the Communist ideal) or heal
>> the planet (whatever), but they are willing to use modest,
>> non-draconian sanctions to accomplish modest goods, such as to keep
>> what is obscene ob-scene: that is, "off-stage" (as the Greek
>> dramatists put it).
> 
> And to have the federal government intrude into personal and medical 
> decisions on when to pull the plug on a person on life support.

Wow.  That's a drastic change of subject, counselor, so you can forgive 
me for not pursuing it.


>> It's amazing that public opposition to obscenity in public speech,
>> broadcasting, film, novels, and periodicals has evaporated in 50 years
>> -- but maybe I shouldn't assume that public opposition is altogether
>> gone.  After all, who studies public opinion on such questions as
>> censorship these days?
> 
> I don't know that it has.  What's changed is what is considered 
> obscene.  

That's an aspect worth studying too: people who still draw the line 
somewhere, and people who drop all willingness to censor obscene 
(sexual/violent) material.

--RC

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 22:09:22 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:09:22 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
Message-ID: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>

This week NBC and FOX have decided to set up a news bureau in
Philadelphia to cut costs on local news.

The local FOX and NBC will pool raw footage of news stories and then
edit it the way they want. NBC and FOX plan to do the same in Chicago
and then in all markets where they both own stations.

This may include Boston as the Miami Herald is hinting Sunbeam is
ready to cash out by selling WSVN to FOX and possibly WHDH to NBC.

NBC has sold stations in smaller markets to concentrate on larger
markets and owing in Boston would make sense. Boston is one of he
largest markets where they don't own (may well be the largest)

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov 15 23:11:07 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:11:07 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
Message-ID: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>

I had mentioned when the WEEI Network debuted in southern Maine that they 
had to run Sporting News Radio during the weekend hours when Fox Sports 
Radio was carried on WEEI because WZAN ran Fox Sports for much of each 
weekend.  I realized today that is no longer the case.  Fox Sports is no 
longer on WZAN and is on the WEEI Network stations in Maine on the weekend.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov 15 23:13:40 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:13:40 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
	<491E22DF.25817.87CC86@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4331CB2E1CE84298B754F94D70AB7C6C@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...

> That's what I thought you'd say.  It's why, even though I disagree
> with you, I respect your opinions much better than I do many other
> conservatives.

The real conservatives that I know recognize that I am a weak kneed 
moderate.

;-)

I was only seen as a conservative in law school.  And there was even one 
woman to the right of me in my class!


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov 15 23:16:33 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:16:33 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...
In-Reply-To: <491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>
References: <20081108184802.5B91149B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2CAA5D9435CE46A394286EEA7520F89E@MainXPPro>,
	<2010DD9ADAB04080A9665CDC7EB6F9A9@DanBillingsPC><491C3DE8.20000.30E0E0@Joe.attorneyross.com>	<4F228ED6C99448DE9C36646043A6B24F@DanBillingsPC>
	<7C220277318244C48C84EB19C232AB73@MainXPPro>
	<491EF018.5010000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A3673F73C034DCAA1491B68C2DE8DDC@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "A. Joseph Ross" 
<Joe@attorneyross.com>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?...

> It was not free market economics in play on Wall & Broad when lenders were 
> strong-armed into delivering risky loans to otherwise unsuitable 
> recipients throughout the past 15 years.

Remember Garrett asked us to behave while he was away!  We are moving away 
from radio discussion.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 23:22:23 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:22:23 -0600
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
In-Reply-To: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
References: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>

Is WZAN still doing fratboy radio?

I never understood why WCSH unloaded that station as it could have
become the WBZ of Maine.

On 11/15/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> I had mentioned when the WEEI Network debuted in southern Maine that they
> had to run Sporting News Radio during the weekend hours when Fox Sports
> Radio was carried on WEEI because WZAN ran Fox Sports for much of each
> weekend.  I realized today that is no longer the case.  Fox Sports is no
> longer on WZAN and is on the WEEI Network stations in Maine on the weekend.
>
>

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 23:19:36 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:19:36 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
In-Reply-To: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <7C445DAF25DB4866ACF4FA7AEAFCDBC3@DHPP0DB1>

> I had mentioned when the WEEI Network debuted in southern Maine that they
> had to run Sporting News Radio during the weekend hours when Fox Sports
> Radio was carried on WEEI because WZAN ran Fox Sports for much of each
> weekend.  I realized today that is no longer the case.  Fox Sports is no
> longer on WZAN and is on the WEEI Network stations in Maine on the
> weekend.

I've noticed a couple times that some of the WEEI network stations in Maine
(and 93.5 in Keene) have been running Fox Sports Radio even when WEEI has
local shows on. Is there any reason or explanation for this? Nobody home to
run the board, so they go with Fox since they hit their breaks ontime maybe?
It has been nights and weekends that I've noticed this, so it's only a
guess.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov 15 23:39:20 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:39:20 -0500
Subject: Original WEZE owners
References: <20081115234825.81C181E1355@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <F63AA1C3E89847ECA5C18E4910F745C2@SatU205S5044>

Air Trails was headquartered in Dayton OH. It was a group of four or
five stations, the first of which was WING in Dayton. Immediately
before it became WEZE, 1260 was WVDA and was owned by Vic Diehm
Associates of Pennsylvania, also a group of about five stations. The
largest market in which Diehm had operated before Boston was probably
Allentown/Easton/Bethlehem. Diehm owned WHOL Allentown. WCOP 1150 was
owned by Plough Inc, the drug manufacturer that became
Schering-Plough. Plough Broadcasting was headquartered in Atlanta--I
think at WAGA 590 there. Most of Plough's stations (also four or five,
if memory serves) were in the South. One was WMPS 680 in Memphis.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>;
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Original WEZE owners


> As I wrote, The original owners of WEZE were in fact "Air Trails
> Broadcasting" owned by Charles Sawyer and J.P. "Pat" Williams.  So,
> was J.P. "Pat"  Williams related to Jay Williams, who was in Boston
> radio at WVBF for a while?
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 00:26:13 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:26:13 -0600
Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
Message-ID: <4fc429770811152126m63aeeaa3p8056dcc4d04d8471@mail.gmail.com>

Just wondering if anybody on the list knows if Art Lake is still
alive. He was still on the air as late as 2005 when he suffered a
stroke.

There is a misconception that John Quill was on the air at WWLP longer
than anyone in New England but I think Art Lake has that honor.

He was hired by WJAR radio in 1944 and moved to TV in 1949.

Professor Halper perhaps he should be honored given that WJAR's
coverage area included much of southeastern Massachusetts and if he is
still alive he must have a treasure of stories he can tell.

I notice the Wikipedia entry about WJAR has one major error. It says
the station was still in the Outlet building when it was destroyed by
fire but in fact they had moved to new studios 2 blocks away in the
late 70's. Outlet then fled to Cranston when Mayor Buddy Cianci who
was a frequent target raised their property tax bill by ten times.
Outlet got even by selling the studios to a local college taking it
off the tax rolls completely.

Outlet had no use for radio as they donated WJAR-FM to Brown
University (now WBRU) and sold off WJAR-AM (now WHJJ) for cheap money.

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 00:49:00 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:49:00 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
References: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
	<4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D920216A5989444B967CBD00E8DA98D5@DougDrown>

>>I never understood why WCSH unloaded that station as it could have
become the WBZ of Maine.>>

I never could understand why Maine Broadcasting sold WCSH or WLBZ (which had 
the biggest AM signal in central and northern Maine).  If the two stations 
had had FM counterparts, I could see why the FCC might have frowned on the 
situation, given its mindset in the late '70s - early '80s.  (Then again, 
the Hildreth family didn't unload WABI and WYOU until the mid-1990s, and I 
don't think it was because Diversified Communications was perceived as 
having a monopoly in the Bangor market.)

Today WZAN is the poor sister to WGAN.   The station has a rich history. 
Sad to know what it's become.   -Doug



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "(newsgroup) 
Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN


> Is WZAN still doing fratboy radio?
>
> I never understood why WCSH unloaded that station as it could have
> become the WBZ of Maine.
>
> On 11/15/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
>> I had mentioned when the WEEI Network debuted in southern Maine that they
>> had to run Sporting News Radio during the weekend hours when Fox Sports
>> Radio was carried on WEEI because WZAN ran Fox Sports for much of each
>> weekend.  I realized today that is no longer the case.  Fox Sports is no
>> longer on WZAN and is on the WEEI Network stations in Maine on the 
>> weekend.
>>
>> 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Nov 16 02:01:00 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:01:00 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
	<4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15CA547FD7004FD4BE722A0A23399E86@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "(newsgroup) 
Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN


> Is WZAN still doing fratboy radio?

Yes.


From bill.smith@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 05:06:08 2008
From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:06:08 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20811160206p39ecac61r139efd2bc3f3ddcd@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone who doubts that right-wing talk radio still has an influence need
only scroll up and see that otherwise intelligent  people have actually
bought in to the absurd notion that  borrowers who were victims of predatory
adjustable mortgage schemes are to blame for thecountry's current fiscal
woes, when fault really lies with the lack of regulatory oversight which
allowed lenders and investors to create the time-bomb mortgages that not
only set up borrowers for failure when adjustments and balloons came due,
but which caused a run-up in demand based on a false ability to pay which in
turn led to price spikes and artificially high prices, which led to more
poison-pill mortgages.

From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov 16 10:32:59 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:32:59 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20811160206p39ecac61r139efd2bc3f3ddcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ffa0ce20811160206p39ecac61r139efd2bc3f3ddcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A42@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Anyone who doubts that right-wing talk radio still has an influence need
only scroll up and see that otherwise intelligent  people have actually
bought in to the absurd notion that  borrowers who were victims of predatory
adjustable mortgage schemes are to blame for thecountry's current fiscal
woes, when fault really lies with the lack of regulatory oversight which
allowed lenders and investors to create the time-bomb mortgages that not
only set up borrowers for failure when adjustments and balloons came due,
but which caused a run-up in demand based on a false ability to pay which in
turn led to price spikes and artificially high prices, which led to more
poison-pill mortgages.<<

Because some people believe it doesn't necessarily mean that the idea was planted by a medium which reaches less than 10% of persons using radio.  To take the most obvious examples:  Rush Limbaugh's 12+ share in Boston was a 5.9 in the summer book, and his national figures aren't that much different.  Howie Carr had a 6.5.  Jay Severin had a 4.4.  Those kinds of figures don't speak "influence" because they're a drop in a very fragmented bucket.

And let's not forget that these are talk-show hosts, not political scientists, experts in government or holders of any other such expertise, although Howie Carr may come the closest because he has newspaper reporting on his r?sum?.  They are proof of the old adage about opinions' resemblance to a certain bodily orifice...everybody has one.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From map@mapinternet.com  Sun Nov 16 10:50:44 2008
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:50:44 -0500
Subject: Boston FM HD Coverage
References: <491DA892.4090602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECAC58D1AFE54C73A9F151101E2C1ABF@yourm3vezyx8af>

Just asked an engineer friend at VT Public Radio and he says IBOC FM HD is 
20db down from the main signal, but that there is a pr0posal to raise it 
to -10db.

So, for example,  a 20,000 watt main FM analog signal the FM HD is 200 
watts. In the same example the proposal would raise it to 2000 watts.

Even a 200 watt signal from the Pru or 128 towers isn't bad.

I don't know if the AM specs are same, but if they are, a similar 200 watt 
signal on HD AM , in a market like Boston, would not have nearly the same 
impact as the HD FM example


----- Original Message ----- 



> If WBZ does see a profitable future in covering more of New England
 > than the Boston area, then maybe HD radio would be a cost
 > effective vehicle.
 >



From radiotony@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 11:11:19 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:11:19 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A42@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <3ffa0ce20811160206p39ecac61r139efd2bc3f3ddcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A42@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c94805$f67244d0$e356ce70$@net>

Well, that's not altogether true though, is it? As I wrote here almost three
years ago here:
http://politizine.blogspot.com/2005/12/who-is-more-influential-rush-limbaugh
.html
when comparing circs and radio audience, Rush Limbaugh is nationally seven
times more influential than the New York Times or USA Today. 
He's even more influential when you consider that few of the 2 million
people actually spend three hours reading the NYT. 
The difference, of course, is that many newspapers across the country pick
up a NYT story on the wire and publish it. They don't with Rush.
In Boston, with those audiences numbers, those three talk hosts are more
influential than the Globe or the Herald at this point. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sid Schweiger
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:33 AM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: RE: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..

Because some people believe it doesn't necessarily mean that the idea was
planted by a medium which reaches less than 10% of persons using radio.  To
take the most obvious examples:  Rush Limbaugh's 12+ share in Boston was a
5.9 in the summer book, and his national figures aren't that much different.
Howie Carr had a 6.5.  Jay Severin had a 4.4.  Those kinds of figures don't
speak "influence" because they're a drop in a very fragmented bucket.

And let's not forget that these are talk-show hosts, not political
scientists, experts in government or holders of any other such expertise,
although Howie Carr may come the closest because he has newspaper reporting
on his r?sum?.  They are proof of the old adage about opinions' resemblance
to a certain bodily orifice...everybody has one.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 11:26:00 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:26:00 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>

NBC most certainly owns KNTV channel 11 which is licensed to San Jose.

A few years back KRON played hardball with NBC over compensation and
NBC pulled a Papelbon by signing up with channel 11 and KNTV agreed to
PAY NBC for the rights and also gave NBC the option to buy the station
which NBC did.

The end result was KRON was destroyed as they became an independent
station. The newscasts now look like cable access as the reporters
shoot their stories and use laptops and wifi to file them.

Channel 11's website is

www.nbcbayarea.com

and the San Francisco and Boston markets are almost exactly the same
size according to Neilsen mainly because Manchester is included in the
Boston totals.


On 11/16/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> Does NBC own in SanFrancisco/Oakland/San Jose/Silicon Valley? I don't
> believe so--and it's a WAY bigger market than Boston
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest"
> <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:09 PM
> Subject: Something to watch out for...
>
>
>> This week NBC and FOX have decided to set up a news bureau in
>> Philadelphia to cut costs on local news.
>>
>> The local FOX and NBC will pool raw footage of news stories and then
>> edit it the way they want. NBC and FOX plan to do the same in
>> Chicago
>> and then in all markets where they both own stations.
>>
>> This may include Boston as the Miami Herald is hinting Sunbeam is
>> ready to cash out by selling WSVN to FOX and possibly WHDH to NBC.
>>
>> NBC has sold stations in smaller markets to concentrate on larger
>> markets and owing in Boston would make sense. Boston is one of he
>> largest markets where they don't own (may well be the largest)
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Nov 16 10:57:38 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:57:38 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>

Does NBC own in SanFrancisco/Oakland/San Jose/Silicon Valley? I don't 
believe so--and it's a WAY bigger market than Boston

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: Something to watch out for...


> This week NBC and FOX have decided to set up a news bureau in
> Philadelphia to cut costs on local news.
>
> The local FOX and NBC will pool raw footage of news stories and then
> edit it the way they want. NBC and FOX plan to do the same in 
> Chicago
> and then in all markets where they both own stations.
>
> This may include Boston as the Miami Herald is hinting Sunbeam is
> ready to cash out by selling WSVN to FOX and possibly WHDH to NBC.
>
> NBC has sold stations in smaller markets to concentrate on larger
> markets and owing in Boston would make sense. Boston is one of he
> largest markets where they don't own (may well be the largest) 


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sun Nov 16 11:03:47 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:03:47 -0500
Subject: Boston FM HD Coverage
In-Reply-To: <ECAC58D1AFE54C73A9F151101E2C1ABF@yourm3vezyx8af>
References: <491DA892.4090602@gmail.com>
	<ECAC58D1AFE54C73A9F151101E2C1ABF@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <008301c94804$ebe32210$c3a96630$@com>

 
> Just asked an engineer friend at VT Public Radio and he says IBOC FM HD
> is
> 20db down from the main signal, but that there is a pr0posal to raise
> it
> to -10db.
> 
[Brian Vita] 
On the other hand, I clearly receive all of the GM FM channels in HD at my
office in Peabody.  Not bad for the power reduction.

Brian


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 12:18:36 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:18:36 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
	<4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>

The latest Neilsen DMA numbers
(households)
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
2,476,450

7 Boston-Worcester-Manchester
2,409,080

TV population is higher in Boston over radio as Worcester and
Manchester are included for DMA numbers.

NBC does own #5 Dallas so Boston is the largest market they do not own.

When WBZ-TV switched to CBS NBC looked into the possibly of making
WJAR the affiliate for Boston but found out the FCC would not go along
as Providence is a separate DMA.

The owner of Sunbeam has said his family has no interest in staying in
the business and given how FOX and NBC do not own in Miami ad Boston
it should be an easy sell even given the current economy.

KNTV has its master control at NBC Burbank.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 12:29:23 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:29:23 -0600
Subject: when did the FCC relax COL rules?
Message-ID: <4fc429770811160929x22939971qe40d41c0f0d67266@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious when the FCC relaxed the COL rules for television.

40 years ago the defunct WXPO had to orginate 60 percent of local
programming from the transitter studio in Windham as the FCC denied
the request to add Lowell as a co-COL.

Today stations are allowed to have remote master control centers
hundreds of miles away. Fox example WPRI in Providence is controlled
by WWLP in Springfield.

Local syndicated programming for Providence sits on video servers in
Chicopee as do commercials.

There was a case a few years back where a major station in Buffalo was
off the air for a number of hours as the master control in
Indianapolis was unaware of it.

So when exactly did the FCC allow this?

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov 16 13:08:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:08:18 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>,
	<4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49201B42.24936.396BB5@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 15 Nov 2008 at 22:22, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Is WZAN still doing fratboy radio?
 
What's fratboy radio?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 13:14:41 2008
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:41 -0500
Subject: when did the FCC relax COL rules?
Message-ID: <017001c94817$3cf7cbd0$b6e76370$@net>

>Today stations are allowed to have remote master control centers hundreds
of miles away. For example WPRI in Providence is controlled by WWLP in
Springfield.

Different situations.  The LIN stations are still managed and operated from
their COLs.

LIN TV runs master control from WWLP for its Providence, New Haven and
Springfield properties.  Local programming for WTNH and WCTX originates from
New Haven.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Nov 16 12:52:16 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:52:16 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>
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At 11:18 AM -0600 11/16/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>The owner of Sunbeam has said his family has no interest in staying in
>the business and given how FOX and NBC do not own in Miami ad Boston
>it should be an easy sell even given the current economy.
>
>KNTV has its master control at NBC Burbank.

That is the biggest fear we at Channel 7 have about the possibility 
of NBC buying WHDH, in that they would move Master Control to New 
York and we would all get laid off.

Of course, there would be the additional complication that Sunbeam 
also owns and operates, from the same facilities, WLVI.  I doubt NBC 
would want WLVI, so it would need to be sold off separately, if 
anyone even wants them at this point.  While Ansin still owns the old 
WLVI building on Morrissey Blvd., it has been essentially gutted so 
if a buyer wanted to use that building for it's facility they would 
have to start from scratch.

-- 
Larry Weil
WHDH/WLVI Master Control

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Nov 16 14:04:43 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:04:43 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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<<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:52:16 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> Of course, there would be the additional complication that Sunbeam 
> also owns and operates, from the same facilities, WLVI.  I doubt NBC 
> would want WLVI, so it would need to be sold off separately, if 
> anyone even wants them at this point.

At the moment, it appears that there are a lot more properties on the
market than there are buyers.  Actually, scratch that.  It appears
that there are a lot of broadcast properties on the market and no
buyers at all.

I'm told that Salem is particularly hard-up for cash and looking to
sell off whatever they can to keep the larger-market stations running
until the economy picks up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of broadcast groups in Chapter
11 by the middle of next year if the financing crunch continues.

I suppose that if Fox ends up buying WSVN, they could fairly easily
take WLVI off Ansin's hands at the same time.  That would presumably
mean the end of news on 56.  NBC couldn't take it (they already own in
this market).  There's nobody else in the business with access to
capital on reasonable terms right now.

-GAWollman


From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov 16 14:19:11 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:19:11 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
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>>when comparing circs and radio audience, Rush Limbaugh is nationally seven
times more influential than the New York Times or USA Today<<

...and since virtually no one under 50 years of age reads a newspaper, and since there is no news reported on Rush Limbaugh's show (only his "takes" on the news), you're comparing apples to oranges.  The New York Times has scant circulation outside the NYC metro and USA Today is mostly a freebie in hotels.

I still want to know who considers it a compliment to call themselves, or to be called, a "dittohead."


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From radiotony@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 14:29:28 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:29:28 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
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You're kinda shifting the subject Sid and missing the point of my
challenging your point. 
You wrote: "Those kinds of figures [Rush/Howie ratings] don't speak
"influence" because they're a drop in a very fragmented bucket."
Take Boston along: If you have a 6 share, how many people are you reaching
with your message? Compare that figure to the circs of the Globe and the
Herald and you'll see the comparison. 
It's not about "news" vs. "opinion," it's about "information" and
"influence" ... the numbers seem to completely go against your point. 
Take that nationally and compare it to the equivalent of the most respected
delivery of some forms of information. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sid Schweiger
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:19 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: RE: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..

>>when comparing circs and radio audience, Rush Limbaugh is nationally seven
times more influential than the New York Times or USA Today<<

...and since virtually no one under 50 years of age reads a newspaper, and
since there is no news reported on Rush Limbaugh's show (only his "takes" on
the news), you're comparing apples to oranges.  The New York Times has scant
circulation outside the NYC metro and USA Today is mostly a freebie in
hotels.

I still want to know who considers it a compliment to call themselves, or to
be called, a "dittohead."


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Nov 16 14:13:45 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:13:45 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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What station does NBC own here? Not 7, not 56. What? A Providence
station?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
Cc: "Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Something to watch out for...


> <<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:52:16 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com>
> said:
>
>> Of course, there would be the additional complication that Sunbeam
>> also owns and operates, from the same facilities, WLVI.  I doubt
>> NBC
>> would want WLVI, so it would need to be sold off separately, if
>> anyone even wants them at this point.
>
> At the moment, it appears that there are a lot more properties on
> the
> market than there are buyers.  Actually, scratch that.  It appears
> that there are a lot of broadcast properties on the market and no
> buyers at all.
>
> I'm told that Salem is particularly hard-up for cash and looking to
> sell off whatever they can to keep the larger-market stations
> running
> until the economy picks up.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of broadcast groups in
> Chapter
> 11 by the middle of next year if the financing crunch continues.
>
> I suppose that if Fox ends up buying WSVN, they could fairly easily
> take WLVI off Ansin's hands at the same time.  That would presumably
> mean the end of news on 56.  NBC couldn't take it (they already own
> in
> this market).  There's nobody else in the business with access to
> capital on reasonable terms right now.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 14:47:43 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:47:43 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
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> Anyone who doubts that right-wing talk radio still has an influence need
> only scroll up and see that otherwise intelligent  people have actually
> bought in to the absurd notion that  borrowers who were victims of 
> predatory
> adjustable mortgage schemes are to blame...

Let's just say, (like the Telecommunications act), there's plenty of blame 
to go around.

Finding one boogey man doesn't quite cover it.

I dont think it's a completely "absurd notion" that people who borrowed more 
than they could afford are partly to blame.


There's a comment I've heard in the investing world....when things start to 
not make sense, it's time to step back.

Why anyone would sign up for an "interest only" mortgage is beyond me.


I think if you want to see that right-wing talk radio still has an 
influence, just look at how people are parroting back all the lines almost 
verbatim about the fairness doctrine.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 14:56:18 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:56:18 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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NBC owns WNEU Channel 60 which is Telemundo.

On 11/16/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> What station does NBC own here? Not 7, not 56. What? A Providence
> station?
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
> To: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
> Cc: "Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Something to watch out for...
>
>
>> <<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:52:16 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> Of course, there would be the additional complication that Sunbeam
>>> also owns and operates, from the same facilities, WLVI.  I doubt
>>> NBC
>>> would want WLVI, so it would need to be sold off separately, if
>>> anyone even wants them at this point.
>>
>> At the moment, it appears that there are a lot more properties on
>> the
>> market than there are buyers.  Actually, scratch that.  It appears
>> that there are a lot of broadcast properties on the market and no
>> buyers at all.
>>
>> I'm told that Salem is particularly hard-up for cash and looking to
>> sell off whatever they can to keep the larger-market stations
>> running
>> until the economy picks up.
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of broadcast groups in
>> Chapter
>> 11 by the middle of next year if the financing crunch continues.
>>
>> I suppose that if Fox ends up buying WSVN, they could fairly easily
>> take WLVI off Ansin's hands at the same time.  That would presumably
>> mean the end of news on 56.  NBC couldn't take it (they already own
>> in
>> this market).  There's nobody else in the business with access to
>> capital on reasonable terms right now.
>>
>> -GAWollman
>>
>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 13:29:18 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:29:18 -0600
Subject: when did the FCC relax COL rules?
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I remember that WXPO used to run Mike Douglas and Steve Allen from
Windham to meet the rules of the day. ( commercials were sometimes
inserted from Lowell )

WPRI does run some syndicated programming and commercial insertion
from Holyoke which indicates the rules were relaxed at some point.
Obviously news is still done from the studio.

On 11/16/08, Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>Today stations are allowed to have remote master control centers hundreds
> of miles away. For example WPRI in Providence is controlled by WWLP in
> Springfield.
>
> Different situations.  The LIN stations are still managed and operated from
> their COLs.
>
> LIN TV runs master control from WWLP for its Providence, New Haven and
> Springfield properties.  Local programming for WTNH and WCTX originates from
> New Haven.
>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 15:21:37 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:21:37 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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I am surprised that WHDH didn't move everything to the WLVI complex
and sell the Government Center building given how much more valuable
real estate is downtown.

WLVI would have offered easier parking for newstrucks and employee
parking and the studio was certainly big enough to build a newsroom.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Nov 16 14:41:37 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:37 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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At 2:04 PM -0500 11/16/08, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>
>I suppose that if Fox ends up buying WSVN, they could fairly easily
>take WLVI off Ansin's hands at the same time.  That would presumably
>mean the end of news on 56.  NBC couldn't take it (they already own in
>this market).  There's nobody else in the business with access to
>capital on reasonable terms right now.
>

Well, I guess Fox could operate WLVI from the WFXT facilities, but I 
don't know if Fox would want to operate a CW affiliate, or even if 
they're allowed to.

I don't see where NBC couldn't also own/operate WLVI, as CBS 
owns/operates WBZ and WSBK.  But I don't think they would want to.

In any case it probably wouldn't be good for those of us who work here.

-- 
Larry Weil
WHDH/WLVI Master Control

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Nov 16 14:44:22 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:44:22 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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At 2:13 PM -0500 11/16/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

>What station does NBC own here? Not 7, not 56. What? A Providence
>station?

No, they sold off the Providence station.

I think Garrett was getting confused between the Boston and Miami 
markets.  NBC owns channel 6 in Miami.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:00:49 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:00:49 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
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NBC owns WNEU channel 60 in New Hampshire which is considered Boston by the FCC.

CW would simply switch to channel 38 as CBS owns half of the network.
MY TV could swith to 56.

56 went CW because they were owned by Tribune at the time.

It is only a matter of time before NBC buys WHDH as it is a perfect
situation for buyer and seller as is WSVN and FOX.

Larry I would have to guess WHDH has solid enough union rules to
prevent master control from being moved outside Boston. Obviously WSVN
could have done it a long time ago for big savings if they could.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 16:21:17 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:21:17 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
Message-ID: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro>


There are many ideas floating around as to how the FD might be instituted 
and what methods will be used to judge fairness.

This is one of the few cases that ever went to court under FD and it was 
back in 1964.

If anyone is interested in what lead up to the complaint...here it is:

For those that have an opinion, how do you think this should have been 
handled?


>>The Red Lion Broadcasting Company is licensed to operate a Pennsylvania 
>>radio station, WGCB. On November 27, 1964, WGCB carried a 15-minute 
>>broadcast by the Reverend Billy James Hargis as part of a "Christian 
>>Crusade" series. A book by Fred J. Cook entitled "Goldwater - Extremist on 
>>the Right" was discussed by Hargis, who said that Cook had been fired by a 
>>newspaper for making false charges against city officials; that Cook had 
>>then worked for a Communist-affiliated publication; that he had defended 
>>Alger Hiss and attacked J. Edgar Hoover and the Central Intelligence 
>>Agency; and that he had now written a "book to smear and destroy Barry 
>>Goldwater."[note 2] When Cook heard of the broadcast he [372] concluded 
>>that he had been personally attacked and demanded free reply time, which 
>>the station refused. After an exchange of letters among Cook, Red Lion, 
>>and the FCC, the FCC declared that the Hargis broadcast constituted a 
>>personal attack on Cook; that Red Lion had failed to meet its obligation 
>>under the fairness doctrine as expressed in Times-Mirror Broadcasting Co., 
>>24 P & F Radio Reg. 404 (1962), to send a tape, transcript, or summary of 
>>the broadcast to Cook and offer him reply time; and that the station must 
>>provide reply time whether or not Cook would pay for it. On review in the 
>>Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit,[note 3] the [373] 
>>FCC's position was upheld as constitutional and otherwise proper. 127 U.S. 
>>App. D.C. 129, 381 F.2d 908 (1967).<<


From:  http://epic.org/free_speech/red_lion.html



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:15:27 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:15:27 -0600
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
In-Reply-To: <49201B42.24936.396BB5@joe.attorneyross.com>
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Official name for the format is Radio For Men. It tends to scrape the
gutter at times.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Nov 16 16:34:29 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:29 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "BRI+" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Dan Billings" 
<dib9@gwi.net>; "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>; "Sid Schweiger" 
<sid@wrko.com>; <radiotony@comcast.net>; "Bob Nelson...WMWM" 
<bobonradio@yahoo.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>; "Dan Billings" 
<billings@suscom-maine.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....

> For those that have an opinion, how do you think this should have been 
> handled?

Very scary example, IMO.  Any time someone on a broadcast station attacks an 
author of a controversial book, the station would have to let the author 
respond.

So in this past campaign, Andy Martin was attacking Obama all over the 
place.  If a station pointed out Martin's personal track record, he would 
get time to respond?  Wonderful.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:43:35 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:35 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
Message-ID: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>

I was just thinking that there were a number of TV stations in New
England that also owned an AM.

They include channels 5 and 7 in Boston, 10 and 12 in Providence, 3 in
both Hartford and Burlington, 6 and 13 in Portland, 40 in Springfield,
5 in Bangor, 9 in Manchester and 8 in Presque Isle.

I think WBZ is the last one standing.

I don't believe 2 in Bangor ever had a radio outlet.

I didn't include 56 in Boston as they never shared call letters with
740 but I suppose you could count WTAO-TV from the 50's.

Did I miss anybody?

I also believe WWLP in Springfield may have been the first stand alone
TV station in NE.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Nov 16 16:49:02 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:49:02 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E1C1E2A578E44F0BE2A61EC8536662A@DanBillingsPC>

For a couple of years, in the early part of this decade, WMTW owned some 
radio stations, including 870 which I think had the WMTW call letters.  But 
they sold the radio stations after a short period.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:55:03 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:55:03 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <1E1C1E2A578E44F0BE2A61EC8536662A@DanBillingsPC>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E1C1E2A578E44F0BE2A61EC8536662A@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811161355l1434d63ei32aa6814b378c7c7@mail.gmail.com>

I thought about WMTW but wasn't sure if the TV station owned the radio
outlets or just leased the call letters.

WABI radio kept the calls in Bangor but the station was sold long ago.

WMUR may have been the first to sell off the radio (now WGIR) followed
by WCAX (now WVMT)



On 11/16/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> For a couple of years, in the early part of this decade, WMTW owned some
> radio stations, including 870 which I think had the WMTW call letters.  But
> they sold the radio stations after a short period.
>
>

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 17:02:16 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:02:16 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>

You missed 8 in New Haven (WNHC AM-FM-TV).  Channel 2 in Bangor was 
established as WTWO, originally a CBS affiliate, but was purchased by the 
Maine Broadcasting System around 1958 and became WLBZ-TV, changing its 
affiliation to NBC.  Maine Broadcasting also owned WLBZ AM 620, which it 
sold in 1982 or thereabouts.  It's now Stephen King's WZON.

Technically, I guess one could also have included WCDC, Channel 19 in Adams 
(Mount Greylock), which under Capital Cities ownership was linked with WROW 
in Albany.  Also, for a brief time a few years ago, Harron Communications 
operated WMTW AM on 870 as an all-news station.  Hearst-Argyle subsequently 
bought Channel 8 and that was the end of that.

You're right about WBZ being the last one standing.     -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?


>I was just thinking that there were a number of TV stations in New
> England that also owned an AM.
>
> They include channels 5 and 7 in Boston, 10 and 12 in Providence, 3 in
> both Hartford and Burlington, 6 and 13 in Portland, 40 in Springfield,
> 5 in Bangor, 9 in Manchester and 8 in Presque Isle.
>
> I think WBZ is the last one standing.
>
> I don't believe 2 in Bangor ever had a radio outlet.
>
> I didn't include 56 in Boston as they never shared call letters with
> 740 but I suppose you could count WTAO-TV from the 50's.
>
> Did I miss anybody?
>
> I also believe WWLP in Springfield may have been the first stand alone
> TV station in NE. 


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sun Nov 16 17:10:52 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:10:52 EST
Subject: Something to watch out for...
Message-ID: <d68.33a7a70a.3651f46c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2008 3:25:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>That is the biggest fear we at Channel 7 have about the  possibility 
of NBC buying WHDH, in that they would move Master Control to  New 
York and we would all get laid off.<<
You may be right.  The O&O's are now all operated  in NY, Burbank, and Miami. 
Usually, they even get rid of the Chief Engineer  along with MCR and the 
stations become news based. Each station has the  capability to break in with news 
from the station and that is about all. 
 
The NYC Hub has one person per three stations, and as long as nothing is  
going on, it works very well. If there is something newsworthy in one to  three 
markets it is still manageable. When something national happens it is  fun to 
watch.
 
There is an area next to the Hub that records all of the local stuff  from 
the stations to be integrated into the HUB MCR. It works  satisfactorily, not 
like a local MCR, but satisfactorily.
 
Mike
 
 
 
 
**************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & 
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From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov 16 17:24:20 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:24:20 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
In-Reply-To: <B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro>
	<B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A72@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>So in this past campaign, Andy Martin was attacking Obama all over the 
place.  If a station pointed out Martin's personal track record, he would 
get time to respond?  Wonderful.<<

Depends on whether the FCC, as arbiter of the FD, would consider a recitation of facts as an attack.  If a station points out Martin's personal track record, and inserts opinions as part of it, no doubt it's an attack.  But sticking to facts may not qualify.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040





From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 16:38:58 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:38:58 -0500
Subject: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN
References: <BF48888A94514336A841FE63A00C9F6E@DanBillingsPC>
	<4fc429770811152022v6d23cb72q58f63ea1125360df@mail.gmail.com>
	<49201B42.24936.396BB5@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4fc429770811161315k1a97957av8d7c9fda52ea90b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C667938B538B4CD89BC7C7D69163DD82@DougDrown>

You're being charitable.   ;-)        -Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fox Sports Radio no longer on WZAN


> Official name for the format is Radio For Men. It tends to scrape the
> gutter at times.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 17:51:43 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:51:43 -0600
Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
In-Reply-To: <869611.74182.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811152126m63aeeaa3p8056dcc4d04d8471@mail.gmail.com>
	<869611.74182.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811161451s4281f653ted6b696b9ffacdf2@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot think of anybody who was on the air longer than Art. Met his
numerous times and he is a great down to earth guy.

Hopefully Professor Halper can break bread with him. Oh the memories
he must have.

Quill was another workhorse who used to sleep at the station so he
could do the morning weather cutins on he Today Show.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 17:58:36 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:58:36 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot about New Haven and I wasn't sure if WZON was WLBZ.

I guess TV stations unloaded radio as they became to much work to
maintain ( pre-satellite days ) while TV you just hit the network
button and the money rolled in.

From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 17:24:48 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:24:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811152126m63aeeaa3p8056dcc4d04d8471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <869611.74182.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, Art is still with us. However, he is now retired after suffering a stroke back in '05.  John Quill was with WWLP since 1953 until he passed away a few years ago.  Even though John Quill was on the air for many, many years, Art Lake was on the air in New England for nearly 60 years.  Both Art and John are true New England legends.  A hard act to follow.

    
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"
radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
> Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
> To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 12:26 AM
> Just wondering if anybody on the list knows if Art Lake is
> still
> alive. He was still on the air as late as 2005 when he
> suffered a
> stroke.
> 
> There is a misconception that John Quill was on the air at
> WWLP longer
> than anyone in New England but I think Art Lake has that
> honor.
> 
> He was hired by WJAR radio in 1944 and moved to TV in 1949.
> 
> Professor Halper perhaps he should be honored given that
> WJAR's
> coverage area included much of southeastern Massachusetts
> and if he is
> still alive he must have a treasure of stories he can tell.
> 
> I notice the Wikipedia entry about WJAR has one major
> error. It says
> the station was still in the Outlet building when it was
> destroyed by
> fire but in fact they had moved to new studios 2 blocks
> away in the
> late 70's. Outlet then fled to Cranston when Mayor
> Buddy Cianci who
> was a frequent target raised their property tax bill by ten
> times.
> Outlet got even by selling the studios to a local college
> taking it
> off the tax rolls completely.
> 
> Outlet had no use for radio as they donated WJAR-FM to
> Brown
> University (now WBRU) and sold off WJAR-AM (now WHJJ) for
> cheap money.


      

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 18:43:34 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:43:34 -0500
Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
References: <869611.74182.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0F6ACC01DEF9492DBD681932D7044B44@DougDrown>

FWIW, George Hale still does occasional sports commentary and other gigs for 
WABI-TV, where he began in 1953, and until very recently he was doing the 
morning show at formerly co-owned WABI AM, which is now Bangor's WEEI 
affiliate.  George can still be heard weekday mornings doing local talk with 
co-host Ric Tyler on WABI's sister station WVOM (FM), where he's working 
full-time.  I'm not certain of his exact age, but he's a very active 75-ish.

   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Q. George" <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?


> Yes, Art is still with us. However, he is now retired after suffering a 
> stroke back in '05.  John Quill was with WWLP since 1953 until he passed 
> away a few years ago.  Even though John Quill was on the air for many, 
> many years, Art Lake was on the air in New England for nearly 60 years. 
> Both Art and John are true New England legends.  A hard act to follow.
>
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
> radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
> ***********************************************************
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
>> To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
>> <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 12:26 AM
>> Just wondering if anybody on the list knows if Art Lake is
>> still
>> alive. He was still on the air as late as 2005 when he
>> suffered a
>> stroke.
>>
>> There is a misconception that John Quill was on the air at
>> WWLP longer
>> than anyone in New England but I think Art Lake has that
>> honor.
>>
>> He was hired by WJAR radio in 1944 and moved to TV in 1949.
>>
>> Professor Halper perhaps he should be honored given that
>> WJAR's
>> coverage area included much of southeastern Massachusetts
>> and if he is
>> still alive he must have a treasure of stories he can tell.
>>
>> I notice the Wikipedia entry about WJAR has one major
>> error. It says
>> the station was still in the Outlet building when it was
>> destroyed by
>> fire but in fact they had moved to new studios 2 blocks
>> away in the
>> late 70's. Outlet then fled to Cranston when Mayor
>> Buddy Cianci who
>> was a frequent target raised their property tax bill by ten
>> times.
>> Outlet got even by selling the studios to a local college
>> taking it
>> off the tax rolls completely.
>>
>> Outlet had no use for radio as they donated WJAR-FM to
>> Brown
>> University (now WBRU) and sold off WJAR-AM (now WHJJ) for
>> cheap money.
>
>
> 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 18:34:12 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:34:12 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>

I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE in the 
U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind (right off 
the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in Atlanta; WTMJ in 
Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; the other 
CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of 
which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to 
ABC.

After 25+ years I'm still miffed that GE sold WGY and WRGB, to say nothing 
of later unloading the NBC Radio O&Os and the entire radio network.  Never 
should have happened.

-Doug




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?


>I forgot about New Haven and I wasn't sure if WZON was WLBZ.
>
> I guess TV stations unloaded radio as they became to much work to
> maintain ( pre-satellite days ) while TV you just hit the network
> button and the money rolled in. 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 16 20:51:10 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:51:10 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
	<3c6f0dce0811161646lf453cfcs170cc5b84ce7e289@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B7B0D430D5B460DB4F5B43C5C0B8AEA@DougDrown>

"Obama 1260"???   
--- And the format is . . . ?

-Doug
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Lavon 
  To: Doug Drown 
  Cc: Kevin Vahey ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest 
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?


  You have WRC, the NBC O&O in DC, with radio station WWRC, which used to be WRC (The Great 98) but got moved down the dial to 570 and had to add the extra W, it has since been shifted to 1260, with the same WWRC, now known as "Obama 1260" and owned by Red Zebra, the company owned by Redskins owner Dan Snyder, Red Zebra owns a handful of AM stations in DC.

  So I guess they are no longer connected, but the calls remain, with that extra W.

  Keith


  On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:

    I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE in the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind (right off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in Atlanta; WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; the other CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to ABC.

    After 25+ years I'm still miffed that GE sold WGY and WRGB, to say nothing of later unloading the NBC Radio O&Os and the entire radio network.  Never should have happened.

    -Doug




    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
    To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
    Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:58 PM
    Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?



      I forgot about New Haven and I wasn't sure if WZON was WLBZ.

      I guess TV stations unloaded radio as they became to much work to
      maintain ( pre-satellite days ) while TV you just hit the network
      button and the money rolled in. 





From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Nov 16 21:52:01 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:52:01 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <18720.56401.583762.995023@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:34:12 -0500, "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net> said:

> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left
> ANYWHERE in the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come
> to my mind (right off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in
> Chicago; WSB in Atlanta; WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City;
> WBAL in Baltimore;

Think for a moment about what all these stations have in common.

WGN: Tribune
WSB: Cox
WTMJ: Journal
KSL: Bonneville
WBAL: Hearst

> the other CBS/Westinghouse O&Os;

Well, erm, yes and no.  The CBS O&Os: New York, Chicago, Minneapolis,
and Los Angeles are all Old-with-a-capital-O; Detroit was put together
no more than a few years before the CBS-Westinghouse merger; and the
CBS combo in Philadelphia was broken up with the merger.  On the
Westinghouse side: Baltimore never had TV; San Francisco was
relatively recent; Boston, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh were all old;
and W never owned TV in Chicago or Los Angeles.  Denver, Miami, and
Salt Lake City were all traded from NBC in the Philadelphia deal, and
I don't think CBS had owned radio in those markets.  DFW isn't old;
the TV that CBS owns in Fort Worth was never associated with any of
CBS's radio properties in the market (the erstwhile KRLD-TV is now
Fox-owned KDFW).

> and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of which are now owned
> by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to ABC.

Not "kinda-sorta".  ABC Radio is owned by Citadel.  They have a
contractual arrangement with Disney to use certain resources owned by
ABC television, including the trademark, and lease some real estate to
each other.  (The leases go both ways -- in Los Angeles right now,
AFAICT, the Disney stations are still in 3321 La Cienega with the
Citadel/ABC stations while they build out new studios for KSPN and
KDIS in another location.)

-GAWollman

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 21:35:18 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:35:18 -0600
Subject: Is Art Lake (WJAR) still alive?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811161451s4281f653ted6b696b9ffacdf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811152126m63aeeaa3p8056dcc4d04d8471@mail.gmail.com>
	<869611.74182.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4fc429770811161451s4281f653ted6b696b9ffacdf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811161835x3dab2783hea79dffc7d157be@mail.gmail.com>

I never got to meet John Quill, but I did meet WWLP's old weekday afternoon
Meteorologist, Evan Rubin? I think that was his name.

I remember the day I went to visit WWLP, the road up the mountain as snow
covered and a bit icy... a bit scary for someone who's never done it before.
There was a WWLP 4 Wheel Van at the base of hill the station sat on for
employees who didn't feel like driving up.

As I recall, it was wide enough for one car, barely... and Evan told me
several stories of getting snowed in at the top of the mountain for over
night.

Paul Walker


On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> I cannot think of anybody who was on the air longer than Art. Met his
> numerous times and he is a great down to earth guy.
>
> Hopefully Professor Halper can break bread with him. Oh the memories
> he must have.
>
> Quill was another workhorse who used to sleep at the station so he
> could do the morning weather cutins on he Today Show.
>

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:52:41 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:52:41 -0500
Subject: WFGL-AM, Fitchburg/Boston(?) Sold
Message-ID: <20081112225241.95E491BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>

The transactions section of radioandrecords.com included a multi-station 
deal whereby an entity called Calvary Radio Network would transfer ownership 
of a couple of dozen radio stations and translators to Calvary Church of Costa
Mesa.  I don't know if these are totally separate groups, but one of them
apparently owed the other $2-million or so, and thus the transfer became a
debt-settling transaction.  Included among the stations were several in New England:
WFGL-AM 960, given as Fitchburg/Boston (that will come as a surprise to WROL)
and an FM in Gardner, MA, WJWT 91.7.  Up in Maine, WJCX-FM 99.5 in Pittsfield 
was sold.  I noticed that r&r gave WFGL-AM's power as 3 kw, but at fcc.gov
it's listed as 2.5.  WFGL was a 1,000 watt station for a long time, but 
apparently this power boost is fairly recent, and the full effect of the 
increase seems to be oriented NNW, towards Ashburnham and Winchendon.  Must
have been trying to get the Wichendon Furniture Group's advertising (I
assume the 960 operation was commercial, the 91.7 was not.) 

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From ncn86@hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 07:53:01 2008
From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:53:01 -0500
Subject: Speaking of WLW...
Message-ID: <BAY120-W2935AA9C17F321416A4F88A2170@phx.gbl>


Having done a school project on WLW, I couldn't help but bring it up. If in fact WBZ had gone to 500K watts, the coverage area would be  ENORMOUS. Powell Crosley had the same idea, and he was able to accomplish it on April 17th 1934, when he was granted permission by the FCC to use 500k watts, experimently during regular hours with the WLW calls. 50,000 watts was not enough, so the most enormous beast of a transmitter RCA, GE, and Westinghouse had ever built was installed. The transmitter was fifteen feet high and sixty feet
wide. Each modulation transformer weighed 35,700 pounds, including 725 gallons
of oil. The three parallel power amplifiers used 12 PA tubes. Two 33 kV power
lines came to the transmitter building, 2300 VAC entered the building. A 75 foot
square pond held the water used to cool the transmitter, which needed something
like 10,000 gallons of cool water a minute. 
What was really amazing is the 831 foot Blaw-Knox Tower, which still survives at the radio station today. Even though it was shortened a tad, it is still one of the most amazing radio towers in the country (i think anyway).  The closest thing here in New England is the WFEA Blaw-Knox tower in Merrimack, which is a spectacle every time you take the turnpike! 

Theres a lot of sites on the web that give the history of WLW, but if theres anyone out there who has any pics or info from the old days that ISNT online, that would be great. This stuff just fascinates me, a LOT. 

Thanks!
-Nick
Merrimack NH

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From DanKelleher@clearchannel.com  Fri Nov 14 15:46:23 2008
From: DanKelleher@clearchannel.com (Kelleher, Daniel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:46:23 -0600
Subject: Automotive Radio 
In-Reply-To: <491C50AE.2030709@gmail.com>
References: <491C50AE.2030709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC2C5C3866ED5444A1621EFCDD2F5C63027986F3@CCUMAIL11.usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

 
Ooooooh yes.
It goes back even further, for GM it was 1975. Think the in glass
antenna was about that time too. GM/Delco reduced the sensitivity of all
AM car radios and introduced mono/stereo blending in 1975. I bought a
1976 Blazer and the dealer changed the radio twice. Still the same. Met
with the GM zone rep. He told me this was a "new feature" so listeners
would only receive local stations". He sent me the GM advisory touting
these improvements. which were in response to customers complaints of
too much static and too many stations showing up on the AM band...if you
think they are deaf today, it is thousands or times better. BTW the
Kenwood Supertuner was the solution for FM back then, as sensitive as
anything we have today.
Dan 

At 8:43 PM -0500 11/12/08, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
 >
 >Something seemed to happen to car radios around 2001 or so.  It
 >doesn't seem to matter what make car, they all are pretty dreadful
 >now.  Since most auto makers offer factory satellite radio, I'm
 >wondering if they intentionally crippled the terrestrial portion to
 >make satellite look better.

Is the real problem the receivers or the antennas?  Most cars these
days have either an in-glass antenna or a short stubby one.
-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From theseacoast@maine.rr.com  Sun Nov 16 08:50:25 2008
From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:50:25 -0500
Subject: Original WEZE owners
In-Reply-To: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
References: <8BFDB88B491D4DC5B16E863B4968F6E2@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <2EF477C881B44219BFF7A44060E795C8@vpr1>

I remember McCormick being the company who owned them during the Pop format
in the mid 70's.  They had that huge window-front at the Statler Hotel (I
think that was the Staler then) in Boston.


SS 


>>Who were the original owners of WEZE (1260) during its NBC-affiliation
heyday?  It was a fairly sizeable operation when I was a kid; I well
remember the newspaper ads and studio with the plate glass window, through
which passersby could wave to the DJs.  Scott's website gives the name of
the controlling company as "WEZE, Inc.," but I don't know who the principals
were.    -Doug



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From keithlavon@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 21:01:29 2008
From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:01:29 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <4B7B0D430D5B460DB4F5B43C5C0B8AEA@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
	<3c6f0dce0811161646lf453cfcs170cc5b84ce7e289@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B7B0D430D5B460DB4F5B43C5C0B8AEA@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <3c6f0dce0811161801x6e67415fw709fbe66bc2f06a9@mail.gmail.com>

Progressive talk. During the election it was McCain 570 and Obama 1260.
Since McCain lost, its got a different name now, but still Obama 1260

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:

>  "Obama 1260"???
> --- And the format is . . . ?
>
> -Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Keith Lavon <keithlavon@gmail.com>
> *To:* Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> *Cc:* Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
>
> You have WRC, the NBC O&O in DC, with radio station WWRC, which used to be
> WRC (The Great 98) but got moved down the dial to 570 and had to add the
> extra W, it has since been shifted to 1260, with the same WWRC, now known as
> "Obama 1260" and owned by Red Zebra, the company owned by Redskins owner Dan
> Snyder, Red Zebra owns a handful of AM stations in DC.
>
> So I guess they are no longer connected, but the calls remain, with that
> extra W.
>
> Keith
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE in
>> the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind (right
>> off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in Atlanta;
>> WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; the other
>> CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of
>> which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to
>> ABC.
>>
>> After 25+ years I'm still miffed that GE sold WGY and WRGB, to say nothing
>> of later unloading the NBC Radio O&Os and the entire radio network.  Never
>> should have happened.
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" <
>> boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
>>
>>
>> I forgot about New Haven and I wasn't sure if WZON was WLBZ.
>>>
>>> I guess TV stations unloaded radio as they became to much work to
>>> maintain ( pre-satellite days ) while TV you just hit the network
>>> button and the money rolled in.
>>>
>>
>>
>

From keithlavon@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 19:46:03 2008
From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:46:03 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <3c6f0dce0811161646lf453cfcs170cc5b84ce7e289@mail.gmail.com>

You have WRC, the NBC O&O in DC, with radio station WWRC, which used to be
WRC (The Great 98) but got moved down the dial to 570 and had to add the
extra W, it has since been shifted to 1260, with the same WWRC, now known as
"Obama 1260" and owned by Red Zebra, the company owned by Redskins owner Dan
Snyder, Red Zebra owns a handful of AM stations in DC.

So I guess they are no longer connected, but the calls remain, with that
extra W.

Keith

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:

> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE in
> the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind (right
> off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in Atlanta;
> WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; the other
> CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of
> which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to
> ABC.
>
> After 25+ years I'm still miffed that GE sold WGY and WRGB, to say nothing
> of later unloading the NBC Radio O&Os and the entire radio network.  Never
> should have happened.
>
> -Doug
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" <
> boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
>
>
>  I forgot about New Haven and I wasn't sure if WZON was WLBZ.
>>
>> I guess TV stations unloaded radio as they became to much work to
>> maintain ( pre-satellite days ) while TV you just hit the network
>> button and the money rolled in.
>>
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 22:32:14 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:32:14 -0600
Subject: WFGL-AM, Fitchburg/Boston(?) Sold
In-Reply-To: <20081112225241.95E491BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081112225241.95E491BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811161932k6f2d22cci9923d2597e6b52d2@mail.gmail.com>

I think 91.7 and 960 simulcast, don't they?

It would seem like the 2.5KW upgrade came about in 1986, form what FCC.gov
and radio-locator say

Paul


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

> The transactions section of radioandrecords.com included a multi-station
> deal whereby an entity called Calvary Radio Network would transfer
> ownership
> of a couple of dozen radio stations and translators to Calvary Church of
> Costa
> Mesa.  I don't know if these are totally separate groups, but one of them
> apparently owed the other $2-million or so, and thus the transfer became a
> debt-settling transaction.  Included among the stations were several in New
> England:
> WFGL-AM 960, given as Fitchburg/Boston (that will come as a surprise to
> WROL)
> and an FM in Gardner, MA, WJWT 91.7.  Up in Maine, WJCX-FM 99.5 in
> Pittsfield
> was sold.  I noticed that r&r gave WFGL-AM's power as 3 kw, but at fcc.gov
> it's listed as 2.5.  WFGL was a 1,000 watt station for a long time, but
> apparently this power boost is fairly recent, and the full effect of the
> increase seems to be oriented NNW, towards Ashburnham and Winchendon.  Must
> have been trying to get the Wichendon Furniture Group's advertising (I
> assume the 960 operation was commercial, the 91.7 was not.)
>
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From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Nov 16 22:46:43 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:46:43 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0811161801x6e67415fw709fbe66bc2f06a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>	<3c6f0dce0811161646lf453cfcs170cc5b84ce7e289@mail.gmail.com>	<4B7B0D430D5B460DB4F5B43C5C0B8AEA@DougDrown>
	<3c6f0dce0811161801x6e67415fw709fbe66bc2f06a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4920E923.9080500@gabrielmass.com>

Keith Lavon wrote:
> Progressive talk. During the election it was McCain 570 and Obama 1260.
> Since McCain lost, its got a different name now, but still Obama 1260
> 

That's a surprising practice.   If a corporation names radio stations 
after candidates, does that constitute a corporate donation of free 
advertising?

--RC


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Nov 16 22:52:40 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:52:40 -0500
Subject: WFGL-AM, Fitchburg/Boston(?) Sold
References: <20081112225241.95E491BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <A7CE5F1E3B8646C6BE244FC91931B9E1@SatU205S5044>

Seems to me WFGL increased its day power to 2500W at least a decade
ago. I think the change was made shortly after the FCC added 2500W to
the (then) list of allowable powers. That change to the regulations
was made a lot of years ago! And isn't it obvious from the names of
the old and new licensees that there has been no actual transfer of
control? The 2.5 kW day pattern is similar to the old 1 kW day pattern
except that the lobe to the northwest became stronger. The lobe to the
southeast, which covers Fitchburg (the CoL) and Leominster, could not
be changed because of protections to WELI and WROL.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: WFGL-AM, Fitchburg/Boston(?) Sold


The transactions section of radioandrecords.com included a
multi-station
deal whereby an entity called Calvary Radio Network would transfer
ownership
of a couple of dozen radio stations and translators to Calvary Church
of Costa
Mesa.  I don't know if these are totally separate groups, but one of
them
apparently owed the other $2-million or so, and thus the transfer
became a
debt-settling transaction.  Included among the stations were several
in New England:
WFGL-AM 960, given as Fitchburg/Boston (that will come as a surprise
to WROL)
and an FM in Gardner, MA, WJWT 91.7.  Up in Maine, WJCX-FM 99.5 in
Pittsfield
was sold.  I noticed that r&r gave WFGL-AM's power as 3 kw, but at
fcc.gov
it's listed as 2.5.  WFGL was a 1,000 watt station for a long time,
but
apparently this power boost is fairly recent, and the full effect of
the
increase seems to be oriented NNW, towards Ashburnham and Winchendon.
Must
have been trying to get the Wichendon Furniture Group's advertising (I
assume the 960 operation was commercial, the 91.7 was not.)

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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 21:46:16 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:46:16 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>
	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811161846j5a73603bm4c9c2b8a49993dab@mail.gmail.com>

Only I would know some absolutely obscure fact like this...

Radio Perry, Inc of Perry, GA owns ABC58 WPGA-TV(Serving Macon, GA) along
with NewsTalk 980 WPGA and Mix 100.9 WPGA-FM.

AM 980 along with it's simulcast sister, WNEX 1400 used to do Radio Disney,
but now simulcast the NewsTalk format.

Side note, Radio Perry, Inc (under a different name) also manufactures an
automation system, that was fairly big several years ago. I've used it at
one station.

Paul Walker

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:

> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE in
> the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind (right
> off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in Atlanta;
> WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; the other
> CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio components of
> which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is kinda-sorta connected to
> ABC.
>
> After 25+ years I'm still miffed that GE sold WGY and WRGB, to say nothing
> of later unloading the NBC Radio O&Os and the entire radio network.  Never
> should have happened.
>
> -Doug
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov 16 22:55:26 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:55:26 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <18720.56401.583762.995023@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
	<18720.56401.583762.995023@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4920EB2E.4010706@fybush.com>

> <<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:34:12 -0500, "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net> said:
> 
>> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left
>> ANYWHERE in the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come
>> to my mind (right off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in
>> Chicago; WSB in Atlanta; WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City;
>> WBAL in Baltimore;

There are a few more old combos out there still, some in odd places.

WSBT AM-FM/WNSN-FM South Bend (South Bend Tribune/Schurz Communications)
KXLY AM-FM-TV Spokane (Morgan Murphy)
KSTP AM-FM-TV St. Paul (Hubbard)
KXGN AM-TV Glendive, Montana (Glendive Broadcasting)
KFMB AM-FM-TV San Diego (Midwest Communications)
WBNS AM-FM-TV Columbus (Dispatch)
KOMO AM-TV/KPLZ-FM Seattle (Fisher)

As Garrett alluded to in his response, most of these (Hubbard, Glendive 
and Fisher being the exceptions) are old-line newspaper companies that 
expanded into broadcasting.

A couple of FM-TV combos that have sold off their AMs but kept FM:

WSOC FM-TV Charlotte (Cox)
WRAL FM-TV Raleigh (Capitol)
WTHI FM-TV Terre Haute (recently split up, with Emmis selling the TV)

WBT/WBTV in Charlotte was also just split up within the last year or so, 
with Lincoln Financial Media selling the radio side to Greater Media.

Off the top of my head, here's the full (?) list of former commercial 
combos in New England:

WAGM AM-TV Presque Isle (AM now dark)
WABI AM-FM-TV Bangor (AM still has the calls under new owners)
WLBZ AM-TV Bangor (AM now WZON)
WVII-TV/WGUY Bangor (AM now dark)
WCSH AM-TV Portland (AM now WZAN)
WGAN AM-FM-TV Portland (TV now WGME)
WMTW TV-FM Poland Spring/Portland (FM now WHOM; WMTW calls later reused 
on other Portland radio stations)
WMUR AM-FM-TV Manchester (AM-FM now WGIR)
WCAX AM-TV Burlington (AM now WVMT)
WBZ AM-FM-TV Boston (FM now WMJX, AM-TV still intact)
WHDH AM-FM-TV Boston (TV lost license, AM now WEEI)
WNAC AM-FM-TV Boston (TV now WHDH, AM now WRKO)
WTAO AM-TV Cambridge (AM now WJIB, TV now WLVI)
WJAR AM-TV Providence (AM now WHJJ)
WPRO AM-FM-TV Providence (TV now WPRI)
WHYN AM-FM-TV Springfield (TV now WGGB)
WTIC AM-FM-TV Hartford (TV now WFSB)
WNHC AM-FM-TV New Haven (AM now WYBC, FM WPLR, TV WTNH)
WATR AM-FM-TV Waterbury (FM now WWYZ, TV now WTXX)
WNBC AM-TV New Britain (AM now WRYM, TV now WVIT)

The vast majority of these combos were broken up in the seventies, as 
the FCC changed its policies to encourage the breakup. At one point, 
there was serious consideration being given to a rules change that would 
have limited owners to ONE STATION - period - in a market.

s




From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov 16 22:56:32 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:32 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <4920E923.9080500@gabrielmass.com>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>	<3c6f0dce0811161646lf453cfcs170cc5b84ce7e289@mail.gmail.com>	<4B7B0D430D5B460DB4F5B43C5C0B8AEA@DougDrown>	<3c6f0dce0811161801x6e67415fw709fbe66bc2f06a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920E923.9080500@gabrielmass.com>
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Richard Chonak wrote:
> Keith Lavon wrote:
>> Progressive talk. During the election it was McCain 570 and Obama 1260.
>> Since McCain lost, its got a different name now, but still Obama 1260
>>
> 
> That's a surprising practice.   If a corporation names radio stations 
> after candidates, does that constitute a corporate donation of free 
> advertising?

I was wondering about that, too, but apparently the stations are so 
low-profile (even in Washington!) that the issue never came up for 
discussion.

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Nov 16 23:02:16 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:02:16 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <4920EB70.8020300@fybush.com>
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Scott Fybush wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about that, too, but apparently the stations are so 
> low-profile (even in Washington!) that the issue never came up for 
> discussion.
> 

I don't know about 1260, but wasn't 570 a big sports-talk shop?

(Ralph Nader, call your office.)
--RC

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Sun Nov 16 23:21:59 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:21:59 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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Sid Schweiger wrote:
>>> So in this past campaign, Andy Martin was attacking Obama all over the 
>>>       
> place.  If a station pointed out Martin's personal track record, he would 
> get time to respond?  Wonderful.<<
>
> Depends on whether the FCC, as arbiter of the FD, would consider a recitation of facts as an attack.  If a station points out Martin's personal track record, and inserts opinions as part of it, no doubt it's an attack.  But sticking to facts may not qualify.
>   
Warning - Tongue Firmly In Cheek Here!

Seems that Politics in Broadcasting is rife with rabid attacks.  Imagine 
all this intense passion transported to other genres of Talk Radio?  
Like Restaurant Shows!?!

Pat Whitley doing a Michael Savage-esque excoriation and ridicule of a 
"perverted" chef that served a left-wing of chicken.

Howie Carr treating his listeners to an over-the-top rant about how 
overpaid a restaurant owner must be because his prices were too high. 

Picture Emeril pontificating like Rush Limbaugh on "The Right Way (The 
ONLY Way) To Prepare A Dish" and how certain restaurants were just 
totally, bone-headedly wrong.

Restaurant commercials that, instead of telling you how great their food 
& service are, proceed to tear down other eating establishments - using 
innuendo, half-truths and "bordering-on-slanderous" statements.

CNN breaking stories based on "leaked" reports of an eatery's alleged 
health violations.  Greta Van Susteren setting up camp outside the door, 
doing an exit poll for each & every patrons as they leave.

Eddie Andelman & Billy Costa in a WWF Steel-Cage Grudge Match over who 
makes the best fries!






From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 21:12:40 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:12:40 -0600
Subject: when did the FCC relax COL rules?
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And no one who was PHYSICALLY in the station building locally noticed?

Paul


On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> There was a case a few years back where a major station in Buffalo was
> off the air for a number of hours as the master control in
> Indianapolis was unaware of it.
>
> So when exactly did the FCC allow this?
>

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Nov 16 22:34:39 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:34:39 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>
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At 6:34 PM -0500 11/16/08, Doug Drown wrote:

>I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left 
>ANYWHERE in the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come 
>to my mind (right off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in 
>Chicago; WSB in Atlanta; WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; 
>WBAL in Baltimore; the other CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former 
>ABC O&Os, the radio components of which are now owned by Citadel, of 
>course, which is kinda-sorta connected to ABC.
>

WIS in Columbia, SC?

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov 16 23:43:43 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:43:43 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
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Richard Chonak wrote:
> Scott Fybush wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering about that, too, but apparently the stations are so 
>> low-profile (even in Washington!) that the issue never came up for 
>> discussion.
>>
> 
> I don't know about 1260, but wasn't 570 a big sports-talk shop?
> 
> (Ralph Nader, call your office.)

The sports moved from 570 to 980 years ago. 570 has been a dumping 
ground for second-string syndicated talk that couldn't get any other 
clearances in the market. Its biggest success was with Imus, but he's 
now on Citadel's WJZW-FM.

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov 16 23:44:39 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:44:39 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
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Larry Weil wrote:
> At 6:34 PM -0500 11/16/08, Doug Drown wrote:
> 
>> I don't think there are many of the old radio-TV combos left ANYWHERE 
>> in the U.S. anymore.  Outside WBZ, the only ones that come to my mind 
>> (right off the top of my head, admittedly,) are WGN in Chicago; WSB in 
>> Atlanta; WTMJ in Milwaukee; KSL in Salt Lake City; WBAL in Baltimore; 
>> the other CBS/Westinghouse O&Os; and the former ABC O&Os, the radio 
>> components of which are now owned by Citadel, of course, which is 
>> kinda-sorta connected to ABC.
>>
> 
> WIS in Columbia, SC?
> 

Long, long gone. The owners of WIS(TV) did a branding deal with one of 
the radio stations there a few years ago that made it WISW(AM), but 
there was never co-ownership or even a sharing of calls. The former 
WIS(AM) on 560 is now WVOC.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 23:51:32 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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>> For those that have an opinion, how do you think this should have been
>> handled?
>
> Very scary example, IMO.  Any time someone on a broadcast station attacks 
> an author of a controversial book, the station would have to let the 
> author respond.

Anytime a broadcaster allows their airwaves to be used irresponsibly to make 
false allegations against someone who has no way to respond.

> So in this past campaign, Andy Martin was attacking Obama all over the 
> place.  If a station pointed out Martin's personal track record, he would 
> get time to respond?  Wonderful.

As Sid pointed out, reporting facts is one thing (a track record)....but 
broadcasting false allegations (i.e..lies) is another.

Why should I be allowed to attack Dan Billings on my radio station (and the 
public's airwaves) and say viscious and untrue statements, without giving 
you a way to respond?





From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Nov 16 23:58:10 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:10 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
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<<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:55:26 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> As Garrett alluded to in his response, most of these (Hubbard, Glendive 
> and Fisher being the exceptions) are old-line newspaper companies that 
> expanded into broadcasting.

Actually, I was alluding to the fact that they were all relatively
small group owners with a strong connection to the specific market in
which they kept their original radio-TV combos -- you could certainly
say that about Fisher and Hubbard as well.  It's perhaps particularly
instructive when you consider that Hearst sold off *all* their radio
properties, with the exception of WBAL/WIYY.  I believe that's true of
a number of the other operators on the list.  (Did Tribune ever own
radio outside Chicago?  I have a bit set that they did, but it could
just be cosmic rays.)

If you go back about fifteen years, before all the big group roll-ups,
there were a good number more, in similar situations.

-GAWollman

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Nov 17 00:02:26 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:02:26 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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<<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> Why should I be allowed to attack Dan Billings on my radio station (and the 
> public's airwaves) and say viscious and untrue statements, without giving 
> you a way to respond?

Dan has plenty of ways to respond without using your radio station to
do it.  He can advertise on a competing station, for example.  He
could sue you for defamation (which should be fairly easy since he's
not a "public person" and you're conceding "untrue statements").  In
that case, you would probably agree to settle rather than letting it
go to trial, and you might agree -- of your own free will -- to allow
him to respond on your air as a part of the settlement.

-GAWollman


From keithlavon@gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 23:40:30 2008
From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:40:30 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
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Yes, 570 and 980 switched I would say about 10 years ago. That is when WRC
became WWRC down at 570, and WTEM moved to 980, however they soon dropped
the WTEM, and just went with SportsTalk 980, though Tony Kornhesier refused
to do it, and always said WTEM, so his sports flash guy would always jump in
and say SportsTalk 980 going into break.

Since Red Zebra bought the outfit, the on-air name is now ESPN 980, though
the calls remain WTEM

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Richard Chonak <rac@gabrielmass.com>wrote:

> Scott Fybush wrote:
>
>>
>> I was wondering about that, too, but apparently the stations are so
>> low-profile (even in Washington!) that the issue never came up for
>> discussion.
>>
>>
> I don't know about 1260, but wasn't 570 a big sports-talk shop?
>
> (Ralph Nader, call your office.)
> --RC
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Nov 17 00:06:04 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:06:04 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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At 11:51 PM 11/16/2008, Don A wrote:

>>>For those that have an opinion, how do you think this should have been
>>>handled?
>>
>>Very scary example, IMO.  Any time someone on a broadcast station 
>>attacks an author of a controversial book, the station would have 
>>to let the author respond.

Umm, not exactly.  These and other durable myths are among the 
reasons the right wing fears the Fairness Doctrine, but they 
shouldn't.  The only time a station would have to let the author 
respond is if he or she were slandered.  Opinion and commentary and 
honest difference of opinion went on all the time under the FD.  But 
the FCC had a "personally attack rule" and it was the result of a 
1966-67 incident where an ulta-extreme right wing preacher called 
Fred Cook, a media critic for the Nation magazine, a commie.  He 
called him other names too--  in addition to a Communist, he said 
Cook was a traitor and anti-Christian and un-American (sound 
familiar?  Sama rhetoric could be heard today on many rightie talk 
shows); this got Fred's knickers in a twist and he demanded time to 
defend himself.  Preacher said no, I won't.  FCC said yes, you have 
to.  And thus was born the Personal Attack rule.  


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 00:22:54 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:22:54 -0500
Subject: when did the FCC relax COL rules?
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Ooohhh, this stuff happens.  One evening several years ago, the former Clear 
Channel talk station in Augusta, Maine, cut off the 6 to 7 PM segment of the 
Howie Carr Show with a Red Sox pre-game advisory that very clearly was 
intended to be heard only by board operators at the Sox affiliate 
stations --- of which this was not one(!).  It went on for close to an hour. 
I called the studio and no one answered the phone.  That told me something. 
Wa'rn't no one home.

I pretty much concluded at that point that CC didn't care much about its 
stations in Maine.

  -Doug





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: when did the FCC relax COL rules?


> And no one who was PHYSICALLY in the station building locally noticed?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There was a case a few years back where a major station in Buffalo was
>> off the air for a number of hours as the master control in
>> Indianapolis was unaware of it.
>>
>> So when exactly did the FCC allow this?
>> 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 00:26:59 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:26:59 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
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>>(Did Tribune ever own
radio outside Chicago?  I have a bit set that they did, but it could just be 
cosmic rays.)

I'm not sure how long Tribune has owned WPIX-TV.   Given that the newspaper 
also used to own the Daily News, I assume it owned WPIX-FM as well(?).

-Doug



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?


> <<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:55:26 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> 
> said:
>
>> As Garrett alluded to in his response, most of these (Hubbard, Glendive
>> and Fisher being the exceptions) are old-line newspaper companies that
>> expanded into broadcasting.
>
> Actually, I was alluding to the fact that they were all relatively
> small group owners with a strong connection to the specific market in
> which they kept their original radio-TV combos -- you could certainly
> say that about Fisher and Hubbard as well.  It's perhaps particularly
> instructive when you consider that Hearst sold off *all* their radio
> properties, with the exception of WBAL/WIYY.  I believe that's true of
> a number of the other operators on the list.  (Did Tribune ever own
> radio outside Chicago?  I have a bit set that they did, but it could
> just be cosmic rays.)
>
> If you go back about fifteen years, before all the big group roll-ups,
> there were a good number more, in similar situations.
>
> -GAWollman 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Nov 17 00:43:11 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:43:11 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>; "Dan Billings" 
<billings@suscom-maine.net>; "BRI+" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Dan Billings" 
<dib9@gwi.net>; "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>; "Sid Schweiger" 
<sid@wrko.com>; <radiotony@comcast.net>; "Bob Nelson...WMWM" 
<bobonradio@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....

> the FCC had a "personally attack rule" and it was the result of a 1966-67 
> incident where an ulta-extreme right wing preacher called Fred Cook, a 
> media critic for the Nation magazine, a commie.  He called him other names 
> too--  in addition to a Communist, he said Cook was a traitor and 
> anti-Christian and un-American (sound familiar?

Well, he did write for the Nation . . .


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Mon Nov 17 00:50:11 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:11 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
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Donna Halper wrote:
> At 11:51 PM 11/16/2008, Don A wrote:
> 
>>>> For those that have an opinion, how do you think this should have been
>>>> handled?
>>>
>>> Very scary example, IMO.  Any time someone on a broadcast station 
>>> attacks an author of a controversial book, the station would have to 
>>> let the author respond.
> 
> Umm, not exactly.  These and other durable myths are among the reasons 
> the right wing fears the Fairness Doctrine, but they shouldn't.  The 
> only time a station would have to let the author respond is if he or she 
> were slandered.  Opinion and commentary and honest difference of opinion 
> went on all the time under the FD.  But the FCC had a "personally attack 
> rule" and it was the result of a 1966-67 incident where an ulta-extreme 
> right wing preacher called Fred Cook, a media critic for the Nation 
> magazine, a commie.  He called him other names too--  in addition to a 
> Communist, he said Cook was a traitor and anti-Christian and un-American 
> (sound familiar?  Sama rhetoric could be heard today on many rightie 
> talk shows); this got Fred's knickers in a twist and he demanded time to 
> defend himself.  Preacher said no, I won't.  FCC said yes, you have to.  
> And thus was born the Personal Attack rule. 



To build on Donna's summary:

The "personal attack rule" was one component of the "Fairness Doctrine", 
but not all of it.

Wikipedia's page on the "Fairness Doctrine"
   [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine]
has this description of the FD by a person presumably not influenced by 
right-wing talk radio:

> According to Steve Rendall of FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting),
> 
>     The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented.

So while the "contrasting viewpoints" rule didn't give anyone a personal 
right to respond, it did impose an obligation on broadcasters.

In another case, the SCOTUS acknowledged FD critics' concern about 
"chilling speech", and wrote that if a chilling effect were documented, 
the Court would have to reconsider the constitutionality of the FD. 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine#Decisions_of_the_United_States_Supreme_Court]

By the way, just to clarify an expression of Donna's: "ultra-extreme 
right wing preacher" doesn't really tell us what Billy James Hargis' POV 
was.   So let me specify: he was a Fundamentalist Protestant preacher 
and anti-Communist campaigner.

--RC



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 00:19:41 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:19:41 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro><B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC><8F6A588FC1984F6096D2BEA4FC9F9851@MainXPPro>
	<18720.64226.214833.846803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6D0C9567CD8544708D7185D274C8C7D9@MainXPPro>


>> Why should I be allowed to attack Dan Billings on my radio station (and 
>> the
>> public's airwaves) and say viscious and untrue statements, without giving
>> you a way to respond?
>
> Dan has plenty of ways to respond without using your radio station to
> do it.  He can advertise on a competing station, for example.

Or buy newspaper space, I suppose.  That is if he can afford it.

Is the burden on him to have enough money to respond?

We have shifted the burden of being responsible from the broadcaster to an 
assailed individual?

>>He
could sue you for defamation (which should be fairly easy since he's
not a "public person" and you're conceding "untrue statements"). <<

So, in the Red Lion case, someone can use the public airwaves for false 
statements....and unless the agrieved indiovidual has the resources to 
respond, that's alright?




From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Nov 17 01:01:04 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:01:04 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
In-Reply-To: <6D0C9567CD8544708D7185D274C8C7D9@MainXPPro>
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro>
	<B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
	<8F6A588FC1984F6096D2BEA4FC9F9851@MainXPPro>
	<18720.64226.214833.846803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6D0C9567CD8544708D7185D274C8C7D9@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <18721.2208.289016.750554@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:19:41 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> So, in the Red Lion case, someone can use the public airwaves for false 
> statements....and unless the agrieved indiovidual has the resources to 
> respond, that's alright?

Same as in any other medium.

-GAWollman


From chris2526@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 01:08:33 2008
From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:08:33 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
Message-ID: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>

Harvey Radio Labs owned WTAO WXHR-FM and WTAO-TV,

WTAO-TV 56 was Bostons ABC affiliate in 1953 until it was taken dark due to 
lack of UHF equipped receivers in the Boston market.
Boston did not have fulltime ABC until WHDH-TV 5 signed on in 1957.
I recall many houses on the North Shore and Boston had a separate
channel 9 yagi pointed to WMUR.
Same situation in with WNET-16 in Providence, when I was a kid I was 
introduced to an uncles cousin....the GM of WNET who gave me my first UHF 
converter and 4 bay bowtie antenna, only UHF station I could get in Salem, 
Ma pre WIHS-TV 38 was WWOR-TV 14.
Providence did not get fulltime ABC until WTEV-6 signed on.

Kaiser-Boston Globe revived WTAO-TV as WKBG-TV 56 in 1966 along with WXHR-FM 
as WJIB-FM 97 Beautiful Music and WTAO as WCAS 740 as 
Watertown-Cambridge-Arlington-Somervillle and Belmont radio. 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Nov 17 01:20:33 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:33 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
In-Reply-To: <B227777DB86A466E905CF8BD31B98074@DanBillingsPC>
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro>
	<B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
	<8F6A588FC1984F6096D2BEA4FC9F9851@MainXPPro>
	<20081117050613.8CC15492746@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
	<B227777DB86A466E905CF8BD31B98074@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <20081117062042.9A862727132@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com>

At 12:43 AM 11/17/2008, Dan Billings wrote:

>Well, he did write for the Nation . . .

He actually wrote for a number of magazines, mostly about politics 
and current events, and some of the magazines could not be called 
leftie by any stretch of the imagination.  He wrote a series of media 
criticism articles for the Nation in 1966-67. 


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov 17 00:23:28 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:23:28 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ the only TV and AM left in New England?
In-Reply-To: <18720.63970.810277.575799@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4fc429770811161343n29fa4467td1312de0e20202cc@mail.gmail.com>	<21C1C6A5B4F44B29973198D804B4E3F7@DougDrown>	<4fc429770811161458u45826cfag4475cf4721dee23d@mail.gmail.com>	<15924F3E5FB04D409E8A8E64DF25303A@DougDrown>	<18720.56401.583762.995023@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<4920EB2E.4010706@fybush.com>
	<18720.63970.810277.575799@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4920FFD0.4020803@fybush.com>

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:55:26 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:
> 
>> As Garrett alluded to in his response, most of these (Hubbard, Glendive 
>> and Fisher being the exceptions) are old-line newspaper companies that 
>> expanded into broadcasting.
> 
> Actually, I was alluding to the fact that they were all relatively
> small group owners with a strong connection to the specific market in
> which they kept their original radio-TV combos -- you could certainly
> say that about Fisher and Hubbard as well.  It's perhaps particularly
> instructive when you consider that Hearst sold off *all* their radio
> properties, with the exception of WBAL/WIYY.  I believe that's true of
> a number of the other operators on the list.  (Did Tribune ever own
> radio outside Chicago?  I have a bit set that they did, but it could
> just be cosmic rays.)

Yes, but not much: they had WPIX-FM in New York, of course, and WICC in 
Bridgeport, as well as some radio in Denver that went with KWGN-TV 
(though that wasn't an historic pairing, IIRC.)

I find Hearst a somewhat odd company where newspaper-broadcast 
combinations are concerned, in that they never had radio or TV paired 
with their nominal flagship paper, the San Francisco Examiner. And the 
company has never hesitated much to sell off or close any of its assets 
if they weren't performing. A number of Hearst papers in pretty big 
cities (Los Angeles, New York) simply closed over the years, and Hearst 
unloaded its LA and NY radio stations in the thirties and fifties, 
respectively.

s

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 01:30:05 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:30:05 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811161221s5de9e59fu129457dcd6434576@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<p06240804c546295eba75@192.168.0.100>,
	<4fc429770811161221s5de9e59fu129457dcd6434576@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4920C91D.28945.2E08C84@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Nov 2008 at 14:21, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> I am surprised that WHDH didn't move everything to the WLVI complex
> and sell the Government Center building given how much more valuable
> real estate is downtown.
> 
> WLVI would have offered easier parking for newstrucks and employee
> parking and the studio was certainly big enough to build a newsroom.

Makes a lot of sense, but I wonder if there are countervailing 
reasons for not doing so.  Right now, the real estate market is 
depressed, so if anyone wanted to sell the downtown building, they 
might think they could get more if they waited awhile.

And maybe there is an advantage for news to being downtown.  They 
could get a reporter up to the statehouse or to the courthouses much 
faster than the competition.  

I do recall that in the days following the 1978 blizzard, what was 
then called "Newsroom 7" was the site of Governor Dukakis's daily 
press briefings because of its convenient location, and the other 
stations picked up the feed from channel 7.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 01:30:06 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:30:06 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
In-Reply-To: <B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro>,
	<B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4920C91E.31005.2E08D9E@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Nov 2008 at 16:34, Dan Billings wrote:

> Very scary example, IMO.  Any time someone on a broadcast station
> attacks an author of a controversial book, the station would have to
> let the author respond.

Yes, that is the way it was.  And not just authors.  As I believe I 
mentioned recently, in the early 1980s, when I was president of the 
Brookline Tenant Union, I was on a talk show on WBUR with Boston-area 
landlord Harold Brown.  A clerk-magistrate in the Brookline District 
Court had recently issued a criminal complaint against Brown for a 
violation of the Brookline rent control bylaw.  When the subject came 
up, Brown said that the magistrate's decision was "coerced."   I 
defended the magistrate, saying (which was true) that he called 
things as he saw them, and you can't coerce him into issuing a 
criminal complaint.

I later learned from the magistrate that WBUR had send him a cassette 
of the program and invited him to respond.  Which he chose not to do. 
 But he sure liked my defense of him.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 03:59:00 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:59:00 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro><B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC><8F6A588FC1984F6096D2BEA4FC9F9851@MainXPPro><18720.64226.214833.846803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><6D0C9567CD8544708D7185D274C8C7D9@MainXPPro>
	<18721.2208.289016.750554@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <0B287E7FD7BF45BC9D517AE487E25C8B@MainXPPro>




> <<On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:19:41 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> 
> said:
>
>> So, in the Red Lion case, someone can use the public airwaves for false
>> statements....and unless the agrieved indiovidual has the resources to
>> respond, that's alright?
>
> Same as in any other medium.

No other medium uses the public airwaves....so it should not be treated as 
any other medium.

With newspapers, you (privately) own the ink, paper and printing press. 


From radiotony@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 07:25:02 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:25:02 -0500
Subject: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....
In-Reply-To: <0B287E7FD7BF45BC9D517AE487E25C8B@MainXPPro>
References: <598B66340F07406AA4EC1339CE206435@MainXPPro><B9AE32B9B3A04422A5328C293ACBACEF@DanBillingsPC><8F6A588FC1984F6096D2BEA4FC9F9851@MainXPPro><18720.64226.214833.846803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><6D0C9567CD8544708D7185D274C8C7D9@MainXPPro>	<18721.2208.289016.750554@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<0B287E7FD7BF45BC9D517AE487E25C8B@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <000701c948af$840cfc50$8c26f4f0$@net>

And, with a newspaper, you can start a new one up any time you want to
create competition. 
You can't do that with radio or television. Once wi-fi gets more prevalent,
we might see
greater competition. We already do with online and satellite radio. But it
isn't the same, as we all know. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Don A
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:59 AM
To: Garrett Wollman
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Last thoughts on the Fairness Doctrine....




> <<On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:19:41 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> 
> said:
>
>> So, in the Red Lion case, someone can use the public airwaves for false
>> statements....and unless the agrieved indiovidual has the resources to
>> respond, that's alright?
>
> Same as in any other medium.

No other medium uses the public airwaves....so it should not be treated as 
any other medium.

With newspapers, you (privately) own the ink, paper and printing press. 


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 08:29:47 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:29:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Something to watch out for...
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
	<4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c5460c44e85c@192.168.0.100>
	<18720.28363.469079.975649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<p06240802c546269713e9@192.168.0.100>
	<4fc429770811161300r5e829d4r37f4fd8d257237cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If?MyTV were to go?56 and?CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're once again out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're existing on the money MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the original plan was to run MyTV on off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact Fox25 promoed many of the early MyTV shows that way on their morning news. WZMY signed up only a week before the network's debut, so there's no loyalty there. I think there may be a real possibility of the station going dark.


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 17 08:31:54 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:31:54 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>
Message-ID: <5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>

Did Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting really have the WCAS calls on AM 740? I
thought that the use of those calls began when the station was sold to
Wickus Island Broadcasting. But then, I think the name Wickus Island
Broadcasting came from the WCAS calls, so maybe Kaiser-Globe did
originate the WCAS calls.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chris2526" <chris2526@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:08 AM
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE


> Harvey Radio Labs owned WTAO WXHR-FM and WTAO-TV,
>
> WTAO-TV 56 was Bostons ABC affiliate in 1953 until it was taken dark
> due to lack of UHF equipped receivers in the Boston market.
> Boston did not have fulltime ABC until WHDH-TV 5 signed on in 1957.
> I recall many houses on the North Shore and Boston had a separate
> channel 9 yagi pointed to WMUR.
> Same situation in with WNET-16 in Providence, when I was a kid I was
> introduced to an uncles cousin....the GM of WNET who gave me my
> first UHF converter and 4 bay bowtie antenna, only UHF station I
> could get in Salem, Ma pre WIHS-TV 38 was WWOR-TV 14.
> Providence did not get fulltime ABC until WTEV-6 signed on.
>
> Kaiser-Boston Globe revived WTAO-TV as WKBG-TV 56 in 1966 along with
> WXHR-FM as WJIB-FM 97 Beautiful Music and WTAO as WCAS 740 as
> Watertown-Cambridge-Arlington-Somervillle and Belmont radio.


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 09:20:00 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:20:00 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>
	<5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>

Yes, it was during the Globe ownership that they changed from WTAO to WCAS.
What I found interesting was that for weeks after the purchase of
WTAO/WXHR/WTAO-TV was announced, but before they closed on the sale, the
Globe listed 740/96.9 as WKBG-AM and WKBG-FM in their radio station
frequency table.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Dan.Strassberg
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:32 AM
To: chris2526; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE

Did Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting really have the WCAS calls on AM 740? I
thought that the use of those calls began when the station was sold to
Wickus Island Broadcasting. But then, I think the name Wickus Island
Broadcasting came from the WCAS calls, so maybe Kaiser-Globe did
originate the WCAS calls.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chris2526" <chris2526@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:08 AM
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE


> Harvey Radio Labs owned WTAO WXHR-FM and WTAO-TV,
>
> WTAO-TV 56 was Bostons ABC affiliate in 1953 until it was taken dark
> due to lack of UHF equipped receivers in the Boston market.
> Boston did not have fulltime ABC until WHDH-TV 5 signed on in 1957.
> I recall many houses on the North Shore and Boston had a separate
> channel 9 yagi pointed to WMUR.
> Same situation in with WNET-16 in Providence, when I was a kid I was
> introduced to an uncles cousin....the GM of WNET who gave me my
> first UHF converter and 4 bay bowtie antenna, only UHF station I
> could get in Salem, Ma pre WIHS-TV 38 was WWOR-TV 14.
> Providence did not get fulltime ABC until WTEV-6 signed on.
>
> Kaiser-Boston Globe revived WTAO-TV as WKBG-TV 56 in 1966 along with
> WXHR-FM as WJIB-FM 97 Beautiful Music and WTAO as WCAS 740 as
> Watertown-Cambridge-Arlington-Somervillle and Belmont radio.


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 09:26:55 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:26:55 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159><5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>
	<9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
Message-ID: <A89CA18A209A4209A43E111FFDB51D94@fs.uml.edu>


Come to think of it, I think WTAO was WXHR at the time of the sale (and
WTAO-TV was WXHR-TV). I remember print ads the radio stations used to run
that were kind of cute. I am going to *try* to duplicate the text below
without the benefit of HTML

AM 740               WXHR            FM 96.9
Clear channel                        50,000 watts

Now 740 is admittedly a clear channel, and WXHR-FM did operate with an ERP
of 50,000 watts....but I wonder if they were trying to imply more than that
in the ad? Hehe.


Yes, it was during the Globe ownership that they changed from WTAO to WCAS.
What I found interesting was that for weeks after the purchase of
WTAO/WXHR/WTAO-TV was announced, but before they closed on the sale, the
Globe listed 740/96.9 as WKBG-AM and WKBG-FM in their radio station
frequency table.



From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 10:13:45 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:13:45 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159><5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>
	<9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
	<A89CA18A209A4209A43E111FFDB51D94@fs.uml.edu>
Message-ID: <7AE2F6D5359E4578A0D9EE3CBB585FB3@DougDrown>

Kaiser/Globe's ownership of the three stations didn't last long, IIRC ---  
why did they decide to sell out?   I know Kaiser eventually went out of the 
broadcasting business; was that the reason?   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hall" <aerie.ma@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE


>
> Come to think of it, I think WTAO was WXHR at the time of the sale (and
> WTAO-TV was WXHR-TV). I remember print ads the radio stations used to run
> that were kind of cute. I am going to *try* to duplicate the text below
> without the benefit of HTML
>
> AM 740               WXHR            FM 96.9
> Clear channel                        50,000 watts
>
> Now 740 is admittedly a clear channel, and WXHR-FM did operate with an ERP
> of 50,000 watts....but I wonder if they were trying to imply more than 
> that
> in the ad? Hehe.
>
>
> Yes, it was during the Globe ownership that they changed from WTAO to 
> WCAS.
> What I found interesting was that for weeks after the purchase of
> WTAO/WXHR/WTAO-TV was announced, but before they closed on the sale, the
> Globe listed 740/96.9 as WKBG-AM and WKBG-FM in their radio station
> frequency table.
>
> 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 17 10:15:12 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:15:12 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159><5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>
	<9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
Message-ID: <DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>

I think that very briefly, during Kaiser-Globe ownership (but maybe
during Harvey Radio ownership, which would make more sense), 740 was
WXHR (AM) and then during Kaiser-Globe ownership, it may also have
very briefly been WJIB (AM). I'm quite confident of the WXHR (AM)
calls even though they may have lasted for only a week or two. (Also,
I have a track record of being wrong about such things.) IIRC, this
was at a time when the station had a very pleasant music format and AM
drive was done by a guy named Patrick Downey who had great pipes and a
pleasant manner. As for WJIB (AM), I don't think that Bob Bittner has
ever been able to prove that the current WJIB (AM) calls constitute
the second appearance of those call letters on the station.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hall" <aerie.ma@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE


> Yes, it was during the Globe ownership that they changed from WTAO
> to WCAS.
> What I found interesting was that for weeks after the purchase of
> WTAO/WXHR/WTAO-TV was announced, but before they closed on the sale,
> the
> Globe listed 740/96.9 as WKBG-AM and WKBG-FM in their radio station
> frequency table.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On
> Behalf Of
> Dan.Strassberg
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:32 AM
> To: chris2526; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
>
> Did Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting really have the WCAS calls on AM 740?
> I
> thought that the use of those calls began when the station was sold
> to
> Wickus Island Broadcasting. But then, I think the name Wickus Island
> Broadcasting came from the WCAS calls, so maybe Kaiser-Globe did
> originate the WCAS calls.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "chris2526" <chris2526@comcast.net>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:08 AM
> Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
>
>
>> Harvey Radio Labs owned WTAO WXHR-FM and WTAO-TV,
>>
>> WTAO-TV 56 was Bostons ABC affiliate in 1953 until it was taken
>> dark
>> due to lack of UHF equipped receivers in the Boston market.
>> Boston did not have fulltime ABC until WHDH-TV 5 signed on in 1957.
>> I recall many houses on the North Shore and Boston had a separate
>> channel 9 yagi pointed to WMUR.
>> Same situation in with WNET-16 in Providence, when I was a kid I
>> was
>> introduced to an uncles cousin....the GM of WNET who gave me my
>> first UHF converter and 4 bay bowtie antenna, only UHF station I
>> could get in Salem, Ma pre WIHS-TV 38 was WWOR-TV 14.
>> Providence did not get fulltime ABC until WTEV-6 signed on.
>>
>> Kaiser-Boston Globe revived WTAO-TV as WKBG-TV 56 in 1966 along
>> with
>> WXHR-FM as WJIB-FM 97 Beautiful Music and WTAO as WCAS 740 as
>> Watertown-Cambridge-Arlington-Somervillle and Belmont radio.
>


From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Nov 17 10:40:25 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:25 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
	<4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c5460c44e85c@192.168.0.100>
	<18720.28363.469079.975649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<p06240802c546269713e9@192.168.0.100>
	<4fc429770811161300r5e829d4r37f4fd8d257237cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c54740528318@[192.168.0.100]>

At 5:29 AM -0800 11/17/08, Maureen Carney wrote:

>If MyTV were to go 56 and CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're 
>once again out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're 
>existing on the money MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the 
>original plan was to run MyTV on off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact 
>Fox25 promoed many of the early MyTV shows that way on their morning 
>news. WZMY signed up only a week before the network's debut, so 
>there's no loyalty there. I think there may be a real possibility of 
>the station going dark.

Isn't this a bit premature?  You're getting ready to hold a funeral 
for a small NH station based on a thread that began based on 
speculation by a Miami newspaper column.  This is taking things a bit 
far, IMO.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:19:38 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:19:38 -0500
Subject: WCAX-TV
Message-ID: <4921999A.5000704@gmail.com>

I had the opportunity to tour "Vermont's Own" WCAX-TV (3) last week.  
The only thing more significant than the amazing facilities and ongoing 
capital investment was the genuinely friendly people who work there.  
Those among us in da biz over the years have come to expect that while 
there are some generous-with-their-time people, that's the exception.  
Interestingly, the on-air staff on Channel 3, who are all refreshingly 
low-key, were as easy to meet in person. 

As for the studio, WCAX runs the longest continuously running garden 
show (50 years), there's a working kitchen for cooking segments, and 
other rarities in today's local TV stations, not to mention one of the 
last of the sixty minute evening newscasts.  They are now producing a 
10pm cast for WCAXtra (3-2) making that 5 full casts every day. 

File under: Like a kid at Christmas

Bill O'Neill

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 11:21:42 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:21:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Something to watch out for...
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
	<4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c5460c44e85c@192.168.0.100>
	<18720.28363.469079.975649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<p06240802c546269713e9@192.168.0.100>
	<4fc429770811161300r5e829d4r37f4fd8d257237cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<p06240800c54740528318@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <366399.93678.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When you've lived through (as an employee)?a few of these speculations that become reality you start thinking about the possibilities.




________________________________
From: Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:40:25 AM
Subject: Re: Something to watch out for...

At 5:29 AM -0800 11/17/08, Maureen Carney wrote:

> If MyTV were to go 56 and CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're once again out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're existing on the money MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the original plan was to run MyTV on off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact Fox25 promoed many of the early MyTV shows that way on their morning news. WZMY signed up only a week before the network's debut, so there's no loyalty there. I think there may be a real possibility of the station going dark.

Isn't this a bit premature?? You're getting ready to hold a funeral for a small NH station based on a thread that began based on speculation by a Miami newspaper column.? This is taking things a bit far, IMO.

-- Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH



      

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:26:12 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:26:12 -0500
Subject: WCAP
Message-ID: <49219B24.5020107@gmail.com>

It was great spending some time on the air with Warren Shaw this 
Saturday on WCAP (980 Lowell). That was a former shift for me for many 
years. Warren and I are good friends and have kept in touch but I've not 
taken him up on the offer to pull up a mic.  Lots have changed at WCAP 
over the past year under its new owners and I am very happy with the 
genuine, local service (versus lip service).  Friday evening I caught a 
refreshingly local wrap-up show on schoolboy football. 

I can't help but to hang to the belief that particularly given these 
tough economic times that an excruciatingly local product can thrive if 
it is willing to put in the time and keep sales boots on the ground.  I 
wish my old stopping grounds continued success.

Bill O'Neill
-- 
I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
/Rodney Dangerfield/

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 13:04:34 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:34 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<5730BE5AAC4D4C25BFAED2131C89CF0C@SatU205S5044>,
	<9E0F79D60FE745699A076A0E8CEC92F2@fs.uml.edu>
Message-ID: <49216BE2.30581.70B70A@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Jim Hall wrote:

> Yes, it was during the Globe ownership that they changed from WTAO to
> WCAS. What I found interesting was that for weeks after the purchase
> of WTAO/WXHR/WTAO-TV was announced, but before they closed on the
> sale, the Globe listed 740/96.9 as WKBG-AM and WKBG-FM in their radio
> station frequency table.

Really?  I don't remember seeing that.

What I do remember is, at some point before channel 56 returned to 
the air as WKBG-TV, seeing some ads in the Globe announcing its 
imminent return, with the call letters WXHR-TV.

I believe that the WXHR call letters were on all of the stations by 
the time they were sold to Kaiser-Globe.  At least, the AM and were 
both WXHR by then, since they were simulcasting the WXHR classical 
music programming.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 13:04:35 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:35 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49216BE3.31538.70BAA4@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Maureen Carney wrote:

> If?MyTV were to go?56 and?CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're once
> again out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're existing on
> the money MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the original plan was
> to run MyTV on off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact Fox25 promoed many
> of the early MyTV shows that way on their morning news. WZMY signed up
> only a week before the network's debut, so there's no loyalty there. I
> think there may be a real possibility of the station going dark.

Huh?  What's WZMY?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 13:04:33 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:33 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> I think that very briefly, during Kaiser-Globe ownership (but maybe
> during Harvey Radio ownership, which would make more sense), 740 was
> WXHR (AM) and then during Kaiser-Globe ownership, it may also have
> very briefly been WJIB (AM). I'm quite confident of the WXHR (AM)
> calls even though they may have lasted for only a week or two. (Also,
> I have a track record of being wrong about such things.) IIRC, this
> was at a time when the station had a very pleasant music format and AM
> drive was done by a guy named Patrick Downey who had great pipes and a
> pleasant manner. As for WJIB (AM), I don't think that Bob Bittner has
> ever been able to prove that the current WJIB (AM) calls constitute
> the second appearance of those call letters on the station.

No, the WXHR calls were on 740 for some time, perhaps a year or two.  
They were simulcasting the FM classical music format on AM.  If they 
had done that earlier, and if they had a night signal on AM, they 
might have managed to survive as a classical station.  As it was, by 
the time they started doing the AM simulcast, WCRB had the AM 
classical music market, and WCRB, with a night signal, also had the 
advantage of being able to get the afternoon drive-time commuters all 
year round.  FM car radios were rare to nonexistent in those days.

When Kaiser-Globe took over the stations, they put both radio 
stations off the air for awhile until they were ready to start their 
new programming, WJIB from Commercial Wharf and WCAS from studios in 
Central Square.  The AM was never WJIB during that period.  I 
remember speaking with the program director or station manager who 
was setting up the stations (I was looking for a summer announcing 
job), and he said that he picked WJIB as the callsign because he 
wanted a nautical term to emphasize the station's location on the 
waterfront.  The AM programming had a different model, and the call 
letters were chosen to reflect the communities that the station was 
primarily trying to serve.  I remember an ad where some country hick 
was talking about the station call letters, saying "The government 
wouldn't give them the B for Belmont.  About time the government 
started trying to save money."

The "Wiccus Island" slogan started almost immediately, though it was 
several years before it showed up in the corporate name of the 
station's owner.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 13:10:56 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:10:56 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AE8C5F6C7E7469AB30F44FAB0B4E03A@SatU205S5044>
	<4fc429770811160826h1095b8dbid9ec5d00606a96e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770811160918i455f8a81l29edaa88bfcb439e@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c5460c44e85c@192.168.0.100>
	<18720.28363.469079.975649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<p06240802c546269713e9@192.168.0.100>
	<4fc429770811161300r5e829d4r37f4fd8d257237cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811171010x10231ce7g9b8a2171b7e4abc2@mail.gmail.com>

One option for Channel 50 is the MeTV format which is similar to TV
Land that is offered by WCIU-TV in Chicago. WCIU transmits it on LP
channel 23 and also on a sub-channel on 26-DT. WCIU has been very
creative in using all their sub-channels.

50 with their digital transmitter is no longer plauged with the washed
out look of their old analog transmitter which gave them the look of
local access.

Ansin holds all the cards here. He would demand a steep price as he
has never forgotten how NBC put the screws to him with WSVN.



On 11/17/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If MyTV were to go 56 and CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're once again
> out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're existing on the money
> MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the original plan was to run MyTV on
> off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact Fox25 promoed many of the early MyTV
> shows that way on their morning news. WZMY signed up only a week before the
> network's debut, so there's no loyalty there. I think there may be a real
> possibility of the station going dark.
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 17 13:24:47 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:24:47 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
	<49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>

I am more than 96.9% positive that the 96.9 was owned by General
Electric when it moved its studios to Commercial Wharf, began a
beautiful music format, and changed its calls to WJIB (FM). Back then,
GE was into owning radio stations in a pretty big way. The company
also owned KFOG (FM) in San Francisco, which also had a beautiful
nusic format and more-or-less nautical calls. In fact, of course, fog
is more connected with San Francisco than jibs are with Boston. I
can't recall whether the WALE calls, which are nautical and have a
regional connection with New England, were in use when 96.9 became
WJIB, but the chances are that WALE was safely ensconsed in Fall River
and unavailable for use in Boston even if GE had wanted the call sign.
Of course, back then, I doubt whether the "songs" of whales had yet
been recorded, and even if they had been, it seems unlikely that the
general public had heard about them--much less heard them.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE


> On 17 Nov 2008 Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>
>> I think that very briefly, during Kaiser-Globe ownership (but maybe
>> during Harvey Radio ownership, which would make more sense), 740
>> was
>> WXHR (AM) and then during Kaiser-Globe ownership, it may also have
>> very briefly been WJIB (AM). I'm quite confident of the WXHR (AM)
>> calls even though they may have lasted for only a week or two.
>> (Also,
>> I have a track record of being wrong about such things.) IIRC, this
>> was at a time when the station had a very pleasant music format and
>> AM
>> drive was done by a guy named Patrick Downey who had great pipes
>> and a
>> pleasant manner. As for WJIB (AM), I don't think that Bob Bittner
>> has
>> ever been able to prove that the current WJIB (AM) calls constitute
>> the second appearance of those call letters on the station.
>
> No, the WXHR calls were on 740 for some time, perhaps a year or two.
> They were simulcasting the FM classical music format on AM.  If they
> had done that earlier, and if they had a night signal on AM, they
> might have managed to survive as a classical station.  As it was, by
> the time they started doing the AM simulcast, WCRB had the AM
> classical music market, and WCRB, with a night signal, also had the
> advantage of being able to get the afternoon drive-time commuters
> all
> year round.  FM car radios were rare to nonexistent in those days.
>
> When Kaiser-Globe took over the stations, they put both radio
> stations off the air for awhile until they were ready to start their
> new programming, WJIB from Commercial Wharf and WCAS from studios in
> Central Square.  The AM was never WJIB during that period.  I
> remember speaking with the program director or station manager who
> was setting up the stations (I was looking for a summer announcing
> job), and he said that he picked WJIB as the callsign because he
> wanted a nautical term to emphasize the station's location on the
> waterfront.  The AM programming had a different model, and the call
> letters were chosen to reflect the communities that the station was
> primarily trying to serve.  I remember an ad where some country hick
> was talking about the station call letters, saying "The government
> wouldn't give them the B for Belmont.  About time the government
> started trying to save money."
>
> The "Wiccus Island" slogan started almost immediately, though it was
> several years before it showed up in the corporate name of the
> station's owner.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:28:42 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:28:42 -0500
Subject: Something to watch out for...
Message-ID: <20081117182846.ACBF1CD8101@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

Ch 50 in New Hampshire, formerly the W_i_NDS of New England

---Huh?  What's WZMY?


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:21:11 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:21:11 -0600
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <49216BE3.31538.70BAA4@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <4fc429770811151909y6a2b98f7m4fbc94e2a08fe26d@mail.gmail.com>
	<971621.47606.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<49216BE3.31538.70BAA4@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811171021v39eb5331nf7aae709602e278c@mail.gmail.com>

You're kidding, right?

Even *I* know what WZMY is.

Paul Walker


On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:04 PM, A. Joseph Ross <Joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2008 Maureen Carney wrote:
>
> > If MyTV were to go 56 and CW to 38, what happens to WZMY? They're once
> > again out in the cold and I get the feeling that they're existing on
> > the money MyTV was throwing at affiliates. IIRC the original plan was
> > to run MyTV on off-hours (12p-3p) on WFXT. In fact Fox25 promoed many
> > of the early MyTV shows that way on their morning news. WZMY signed up
> > only a week before the network's debut, so there's no loyalty there. I
> > think there may be a real possibility of the station going dark.
>
> Huh?  What's WZMY?
>
> -

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 13:56:21 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:56:21 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <49217805.10669.A01E99@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> I am more than 96.9% positive that the 96.9 was owned by General
> Electric when it moved its studios to Commercial Wharf, began a
> beautiful music format, and changed its calls to WJIB (FM). Back then,
> GE was into owning radio stations in a pretty big way. The company
> also owned KFOG (FM) in San Francisco, which also had a beautiful
> nusic format and more-or-less nautical calls. 

OK, but I'm more than 96.9% positive that it was Kaiser-Globe that 
bought the three stations from Harvey Labs and set them up with their 
new call letters and programming.  And I do remember talking with the 
executive doing it (at the new WCAS studios in Central Square).  I 
was in law school at the time and hoping for a part-time or summer 
job announcing.  Apparently I didn't have the radio voice for it at 
the time.  Whatever that is.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 13:56:20 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811171027g7b7895a3p186dd34396c555ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4fc429770811171027g7b7895a3p186dd34396c555ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49217804.4155.A01C57@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote:

> My one distinct memory of WTAO was in the early 60's when the drug
> store on the corner of my street had a remote broadcast. Ray Walker
> best know for weekend weather at channel 5 was the DJ.

About the only thing I remember about WTAO is that for awhile it was 
an ABC radio affiliate (I think after WEZE became the NBC affiliate 
and dropped ABC) and carried a children's program called "Story 
Princess."  I listened to that once or twice because I recalled that 
circa 1955 the Story Princess had appeared from time to time on the 
Howdy Doody Show.

They also carried a Jewish religious program for awhile called "The 
Message of Israel."  As I recall, every broadcast ended with the hymn 
"Yigdal."
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From chris2526@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 14:02:13 2008
From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:02:13 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
Message-ID: <408BB346081D4017AD8CC267DD7215F2@Chicken159>

Dan, I remember the big WCAS sign in Central Square having a scroll
at the very bottom: Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 14:14:55 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:14:55 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>
	<DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
	<49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811171114o552aa642m6f2bf6416e0700e6@mail.gmail.com>

Dan

Kaiser-Globe owned the station when WJIB was launched in 1967. GE
bought KFOG and WJIB several years later.

If I recall Kaiser owned TV stations in Boston, Detroit, Cleveland,
San Francisco and Philadelphia. WKBD in Detroit was by far the most
successful and ran a popular news-interview show by Lou Gordon that
ran on all Kaiser outlets.

WKBG made a huge blunder when they dropped the Bruins in 1967-8 in
favor of the Celtics and WSBK picked up the Bruins which made 38 a
must see channel thanks to Bobby Orr.

Kaiser then merged with Field Broadcasting in Chicago who owned WFLD.
That is when the calls were changed to WLVI.

Field Broadcasting was liquidated because of nasty family dispute and
WKBS in Philadelphia went dark as they couldn't get a buyer.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 13:27:34 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:27:34 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>
	<DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
	<49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811171027g7b7895a3p186dd34396c555ef@mail.gmail.com>

I distinctly remember 56 using an Indian Head test pattern with
WXHR-TV about a year before the went on the air as WKBG.

Fred Cusick told the story of why WKBG had to flee their Commonwealth
Ave studios for Morrisey Blvd.

Downstairs from their studio a dry cleaner installed one of those
large moving racks and the noise made daytime studio production nearly
impossible.

WJIB was a carbon copy of Kaiser's KFOG in San Francisco which was
considered by many to be the first successful FM stations in the US.

My one distinct memory of WTAO was in the early 60's when the drug
store on the corner of my street had a remote broadcast. Ray Walker
best know for weekend weather at channel 5 was the DJ.

My Dad worked for WTAO-TV but I was too young to remember much but I
do remember relatives coming to the house to watch Jackie Gleason as
we were the only ones with an UHF set. I also recall that WTAO carried
Lawrence Welk.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Nov 17 13:56:37 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:56:37 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>
	<DD7BA6F5768F45C08A448C0FA8399DBF@SatU205S5044>
	<49216BE1.14895.70B555@Joe.attorneyross.com>
	<4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <p06240803c5476e936ab5@[192.168.0.100]>

At 1:24 PM -0500 11/17/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

>I am more than 96.9% positive that the 96.9 was owned by General
>Electric when it moved its studios to Commercial Wharf, began a
>beautiful music format, and changed its calls to WJIB (FM). Back then,
>GE was into owning radio stations in a pretty big way. The company
>also owned KFOG (FM) in San Francisco, which also had a beautiful
>nusic format and more-or-less nautical calls. In fact, of course, fog
>is more connected with San Francisco than jibs are with Boston.

I also recall that for a while the WJIB calls were used by an FM on 
Cape Cod, IIRC.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 15:02:53 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:02:53 -0600
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>

It is getting a little scary about what one can find on youtube

This should settle who owned WJIB at the beginning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJ_qRm3sQ

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 14:24:49 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:24:49 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
In-Reply-To: <408BB346081D4017AD8CC267DD7215F2@Chicken159>
References: <408BB346081D4017AD8CC267DD7215F2@Chicken159>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811171124n135cb421je4b6e855ca470558@mail.gmail.com>

and that sign was saved by a friend and now is in a garage in Newton.

My Dad told the story of how WTAO-TV ended.

One night they invited viewers to send a post card for a sweepstakes
drawing worth $500 ( a huge sum 50 years ago ) They wanted to show
advertisers that people were watching.

Not a single card came in and they pulled the plug. Luckily for my Dad
he hooked up with channel 5 a few months later.

On 11/17/08, chris2526 <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
> Dan, I remember the big WCAS sign in Central Square having a scroll
> at the very bottom: Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting.
>

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 17 18:26:18 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:26:18 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV the only AM combo left in NE
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c5476e936ab5@[192.168.0.100]>
References: <1C9F8C63AB2F467BB8F9A5131FF9F8B9@Chicken159>,
	<4A88AFDB4D924D7D99EDCFFCB21B5DC2@SatU205S5044>,
	<p06240803c5476e936ab5@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <4921B74A.24206.19751ED@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 Larry Weil wrote:

> I also recall that for a while the WJIB calls were used by an FM on
> Cape Cod, IIRC.

Bob Bittner would probably know this better, but I seem to recall 
that several stations requested and were assigned the WJIB calls, but 
never used them, and the assignment expired, until Bob got them for 
740.  I think I remember him saying that someone at the FCC called 
him and asked if he really intended to use them.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Nov 17 09:02:05 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:02:05 -0500
Subject: Automotive Radio
In-Reply-To: <CC2C5C3866ED5444A1621EFCDD2F5C63027986F3@CCUMAIL11.usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <491C50AE.2030709@gmail.com>
	<CC2C5C3866ED5444A1621EFCDD2F5C63027986F3@CCUMAIL11.usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <9ff2be350811170602p49aa4742v66964882ab75d9d8@mail.gmail.com>

Kelleher, Daniel <DanKelleher@clearchannel.com> wrote:
>
> Ooooooh yes.
> It goes back even further, for GM it was 1975. Think the in glass
> antenna was about that time too. GM/Delco reduced the sensitivity of all
> AM car radios and introduced mono/stereo blending in 1975. I bought a
> 1976 Blazer and the dealer changed the radio twice. Still the same. Met
> with the GM zone rep. He told me this was a "new feature" so listeners
> would only receive local stations". He sent me the GM advisory touting
> these improvements. which were in response to customers complaints of
> too much static and too many stations showing up on the AM band...if you
> think they are deaf today, it is thousands or times better. BTW the
> Kenwood Supertuner was the solution for FM back then, as sensitive as
> anything we have today.

I'm not so sure about that.  My wife's '99 Monte Carlo has an
excellent radio, on both AM & FM.  I had a couple early-90's vintage
GM vehicles and the radios in them were very good as well.

Wasn't the Supertuner made by Pioneer?  Had one of those in the early
80s and it was a total POS, totally deaf on both bands.  Frequency
response on AM didn't even make it to 2000Hz.

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov 17 21:47:49 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:47:49 -0500
Subject: Have you seen today's Boston Globe?..
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A4E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <3ffa0ce20811160206p39ecac61r139efd2bc3f3ddcd@mail.gmail.com>	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A42@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>	<000b01c94805$f67244d0$e356ce70$@net>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03547A4E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <49222CD5.3000407@fybush.com>

Sid Schweiger wrote:
>>> when comparing circs and radio audience, Rush Limbaugh is
>>> nationally seven
> times more influential than the New York Times or USA Today<<
> 
> ...and since virtually no one under 50 years of age reads a
> newspaper, and since there is no news reported on Rush Limbaugh's
> show (only his "takes" on the news), you're comparing apples to
> oranges.  The New York Times has scant circulation outside the NYC
> metro and USA Today is mostly a freebie in hotels.

"Scant"? Not so. About half of the Times' circulation (hovering at about 
a million in recent years, 1.6 million on Sundays) comes from the 
national edition, and that's just print - there were something like 14 
million unique visitors to nytimes.com in August.

Eight hours outside the NYC metro, we have plenty of Times readers here 
in upstate New York, for whatever it's worth, and I have no trouble 
finding the paper even when I'm visiting the in-laws in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

USA Today, too, has matured considerably since its early hotel-freebie 
days. Only 44% of its circulation comes from bulk sales, based on the 
most recent numbers I can find, and the quality of the journalism has 
improved significantly.

s



From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 21:26:15 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:26:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Something to watch out for...
In-Reply-To: <20081117182846.ACBF1CD8101@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <378072.92121.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I've actually watched WCIU "The U" and WWME "METV" while in Chicago last year.  Weigel really brought these stations from "hash marks" to a very competitive footing in the Windy City.  So much in fact that they even added "ME Too" to their stable of stations.  I believe Weigel and MGM are planning (or have already) to join forces to create "This TV" for nationwide distribution.  I would not be surprised to eventually see it available in Boston on one of the subs. One can only hope. 

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"
radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> Subject: Re: Something to watch out for...
> To: "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com>, "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:28 PM
> Ch 50 in New Hampshire, formerly the W_i_NDS of New England
> 
> ---Huh?  What's WZMY?


      

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 21:32:09 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:32:09 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
	<4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A11D20A10024553ABBF9BBDA6BB4C74@DougDrown>

Wow, does THAT bring back memories . . . there aren't many of those 
"beautiful music" stations around anymore.
That rendition of "Ebb Tide" was so soothing I could have sat here, had my 
teeth drilled and wouldn't have cared.

-Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: WJIB sign on


> It is getting a little scary about what one can find on youtube
>
> This should settle who owned WJIB at the beginning
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJ_qRm3sQ 


From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 21:34:42 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:34:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811171124n135cb421je4b6e855ca470558@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <823145.10317.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in 1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win a crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent, with the FCC's blessing. 

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"
radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************

> My Dad told the story of how WTAO-TV ended.
> 
> One night they invited viewers to send a post card for a
> sweepstakes
> drawing worth $500 ( a huge sum 50 years ago ) They wanted
> to show
> advertisers that people were watching.
> 
> Not a single card came in and they pulled the plug. Luckily
> for my Dad
> he hooked up with channel 5 a few months later.
> 
> On 11/17/08, chris2526 <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Dan, I remember the big WCAS sign in Central Square
> having a scroll
> > at the very bottom: Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting.
> >


      

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 22:41:18 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:41:18 -0600
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
In-Reply-To: <823145.10317.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770811171124n135cb421je4b6e855ca470558@mail.gmail.com>
	<823145.10317.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811171941s47700226w26b483f8dcec4cda@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it was Morgan Kayolian who was the one who made the offer right?
He was a traffic reporter for years.

Michael Collins told me that story once!

Paul Walker

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Peter Q. George <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>wrote:

> A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in
> 1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win a
> crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent,
> with the FCC's blessing.
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
>
> <radiojunkie1@yahoo.com>

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 23:15:05 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:15:05 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
	<4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A11D20A10024553ABBF9BBDA6BB4C74@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811171948n762af72bw3ffa692e94f19e31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A398F391F69A4BA08909594C31A8FB1B@DougDrown>

WTAG-FM was purchased by Knight Quality from the Telegram & Gazette around 
1966 and became WSRS ("Worcester's Stereo Radio Station"), the first 
"beautiful music" station in central New England.   It was a shortsighted, 
and exceedingly dumb, move on the part of the T&G, as it didn't take long 
for WSRS to become a big hit.

Ironically, as we know, the T&G was sold to the San Francisco Chronicle in 
the 1980s and WTAG itself wound up being purchased by Knight.  The two 
stations have been under the same roof on Asnebumskit Hill ever since.

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: WJIB sign on


>I remember very well when beautiful music was the selling point for FM
> in the mid 60's.
>
> WKOX-FM was the station that started the trend and then WJIB blew them
> out of the water.
>
> WKOX-FM then went top 40 in the late 60's and morphed into WVBF.
>
> On 11/17/08, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Wow, does THAT bring back memories . . . there aren't many of those
>> "beautiful music" stations around anymore.
>> That rendition of "Ebb Tide" was so soothing I could have sat here, had 
>> my
>> teeth drilled and wouldn't have cared.
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
>> To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:02 PM
>> Subject: WJIB sign on
>>
>>
>>> It is getting a little scary about what one can find on youtube
>>>
>>> This should settle who owned WJIB at the beginning
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJ_qRm3sQ
>>
>> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov 18 02:24:11 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:24:11 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811171124n135cb421je4b6e855ca470558@mail.gmail.com>
References: <408BB346081D4017AD8CC267DD7215F2@Chicken159>,
	<4fc429770811171124n135cb421je4b6e855ca470558@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922274B.18572.9DFBE8@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Nov 2008 at 13:24, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Not a single card came in and they pulled the plug. Luckily for my Dad
> he hooked up with channel 5 a few months later.
 
A few months later?  Channel 5 didn't come on until 1957.  I believe 
channel 56 went off a couple of years before that.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 02:32:39 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:32:39 -0500
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
Message-ID: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>

This recent Globe article about the digital conversion coming up had this 
line:

"In addition, there are dozens of low-power TV stations, including eight in 
the Boston area, that are exempt from the changeover. To keep watching these 
channels, users will need converter boxes with an analog pass-through 
feature, but not every converter will include that feature."

Are there EIGHT LPTV stations licensed to Boston?  I'm surprised!  Not that 
I could pick any up way up here in the Green Mountain state...but I thought 
I would've heard about them in one way or another.

Anyone know what they are?  What they do for programming?  And when they 
came about?



From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Nov 18 02:47:48 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:47:48 -0500
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:32:39 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> Are there EIGHT LPTV stations licensed to Boston?

No.  There may well be that many "in the Boston area" (if you count
Leicester and Lawrence as being "in the Boston area").  I believe
there are three licensed to Boston proper (two operating from FM-128
in Newton and one operating from a crane off Melnea Cass Blvd.).  I
want to say they're on channels 24, 40, and 58, but I could be
misremembering.  (The 58, WCEA-LP, was originally on channel 19 and
was displaced by WGBH-TV's DTV.)

-GAWollman




From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 03:18:15 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:18:15 -0600
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811180018vb9ceea3la02795b6c538800e@mail.gmail.com>

And I know the one LPTV operating from a crane, WCEA-LP had a picture on
bostonradio.org.. i think, but I can;t find it now.

Paul Walker

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:32:39 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
> said:
>
> > Are there EIGHT LPTV stations licensed to Boston?
>
> No.  There may well be that many "in the Boston area" (if you count
> Leicester and Lawrence as being "in the Boston area").  I believe
> there are three licensed to Boston proper (two operating from FM-128
> in Newton and one operating from a crane off Melnea Cass Blvd.).  I
> want to say they're on channels 24, 40, and 58, but I could be
> misremembering.  (The 58, WCEA-LP, was originally on channel 19 and
> was displaced by WGBH-TV's DTV.)
>
> -GAWollman
>
>
>
>

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 03:32:44 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:32:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Automotive Radio
Message-ID: <5947244.1226997164226.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
> Re: Automotive Radio
> Monday, November 17, 2008 9:02 AM
>
>
> Wasn't the Supertuner made by Pioneer?  Had one of those 
> in the early 80s and it was a total POS, totally deaf on 
> both bands.  Frequency response on AM didn't even make it 
> to 2000Hz.

It was only the first run of Pioneer Supertuners made in the
mid-70s, the under-dash models (mounted with a bracket) that
had a round FM tuning dial, cassette, and NO AM section, that
had amazing reception. 

The in-dash Supertuners made after that were run-of-the-mill
conventional aftermarket car stereos. I had two original round
dial Supertuners. One got stolen, and I used the other into the 
mid-90s when it fried due to a wiring short. It got WMFO from
Tufts University in Natick, in their null direction in which
they put out something like only two watts ERP. It also got
WMBR in their 200 watt days on Old Orchard Beach in Maine.

EP




From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 22:48:25 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:48:25 -0600
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <5A11D20A10024553ABBF9BBDA6BB4C74@DougDrown>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
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I remember very well when beautiful music was the selling point for FM
in the mid 60's.

WKOX-FM was the station that started the trend and then WJIB blew them
out of the water.

WKOX-FM then went top 40 in the late 60's and morphed into WVBF.

On 11/17/08, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wow, does THAT bring back memories . . . there aren't many of those
> "beautiful music" stations around anymore.
> That rendition of "Ebb Tide" was so soothing I could have sat here, had my
> teeth drilled and wouldn't have cared.
>
> -Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:02 PM
> Subject: WJIB sign on
>
>
>> It is getting a little scary about what one can find on youtube
>>
>> This should settle who owned WJIB at the beginning
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJ_qRm3sQ
>
>

From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 07:26:47 2008
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:26:47 -0500
Subject: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV
Message-ID: <001a01c94978$f8a0ca00$e9e25e00$@net>

> A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in
> 1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win a
> crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent,
> with the FCC's blessing.

>I believe it was Morgan Kayolian who was the one who made the offer right?
>He was a traffic reporter for years.
>Michael Collins told me that story once!

According to WICC's website, Bob Crane made the offer on his TV show.  But
Morgan Kayolian did skits on Bob's show, so I think Morgan provided the
money and actually showed it.  Also, Michael Collins is an expert on CT
broadcast history, and worked with Morgan at WICC. :)

Channel 43 info
http://www.wicc600.com/wiccclock.htm

Morgan Kaolian at WICC
http://www.wicc600.com/morgan.htm

Bob Crane at WICC
http://www.wicc600.com/bobcrane.htm


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Nov 18 08:42:29 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:42:29 -0500
Subject: Is WBZ AM-TV
References: <823145.10317.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E5E11BB153AD4CA5A7F523EDC69E8144@DougDrown>

Your mention of WICC-TV brings back a memory that also elicits a question. 
The old WATR-TV in Waterbury, originally on Channel 53 and later on Channel 
20, was at first (IIRC) affiliated with ABC and later with NBC --- this in a 
city that is, I'm guessing, no more than 30 miles at most from New Haven, 
where there was also an ABC affiliate (Channel 8), or 20 miles from New 
Britain, where there was another NBC affiliate (Channel 30).   Why was there 
a perceived need for either network to have another affiliate in Waterbury? 
Was it because of the hilly terrain and poor signal quality from New Britain 
and New Haven?   This situation lasted for years until the station finally 
became independent.

-Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Q. George" <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>
To: "chris2526" <chris2526@comcast.net>; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Is WBZ AM-TV


>A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in 
>1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win a 
>crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent, 
>with the FCC's blessing.
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
> radiojunkie1@yahoo.com
> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
> ***********************************************************
>
>> My Dad told the story of how WTAO-TV ended.
>>
>> One night they invited viewers to send a post card for a
>> sweepstakes
>> drawing worth $500 ( a huge sum 50 years ago ) They wanted
>> to show
>> advertisers that people were watching.
>>
>> Not a single card came in and they pulled the plug. Luckily
>> for my Dad
>> he hooked up with channel 5 a few months later.
>>
>> On 11/17/08, chris2526 <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Dan, I remember the big WCAS sign in Central Square
>> having a scroll
>> > at the very bottom: Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting.
>> >
>
>
> 


From w1tag@w1tag.com  Tue Nov 18 07:05:22 2008
From: w1tag@w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:05:22 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
Message-ID: <4922AF82.40501@w1tag.com>

Doug,

The sale of WTAG-FM to Knight took place in 1963. While that followed 
years of operating losses, the T&G board of directors showed zero 
foresight at that time. One of them was heard to ask just before the 
sale, "Is that the shortwave station?" Sigh...

John Andrews

 >WTAG-FM was purchased by Knight Quality from the Telegram & Gazette 
around
1966 and became WSRS ("Worcester's Stereo Radio Station"), the first
"beautiful music" station in central New England. <

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Tue Nov 18 09:30:25 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:30:25 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
	<4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <034e01c9498a$32cb5270$9861f750$@com>

While you're there on YouTube, did anyone else check out the EAS alert on
WGBH-TV?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtazPr8XesI&feature=related

About time those counties got nailed....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:03 PM
> To: bri@bostonradio.org
> Subject: WJIB sign on
> 
> It is getting a little scary about what one can find on youtube
> 
> This should settle who owned WJIB at the beginning
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJ_qRm3sQ
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1792 - Release Date:
> 11/17/2008 5:24 PM


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 18 10:53:39 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:53:39 -0500
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <002201c94995$d3d55ca0$84984c0c@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: BRI+ <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:47 AM
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?


> <<On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:32:39 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
said:
>
> > Are there EIGHT LPTV stations licensed to Boston?
>
> No.  There may well be that many "in the Boston area" (if you count
> Leicester and Lawrence as being "in the Boston area").  I believe
> there are three licensed to Boston proper (two operating from FM-128
> in Newton and one operating from a crane off Melnea Cass Blvd.).  I
> want to say they're on channels 24, 40, and 58, but I could be
> misremembering.  (The 58, WCEA-LP, was originally on channel 19 and
> was displaced by WGBH-TV's DTV.)
>
> -GAWollman
>

I remember seeing a channel 33 on the North Shore about 20 years ago --
strictly over the air, not cable. Its format was music videos by request, I
believe through a $0.99 a minute 1-900 number IIRC. Where was this station,
who owned it, and what happened to it?

Howard



From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:32:36 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:32:36 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811171948n762af72bw3ffa692e94f19e31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>	<4fc429770811171202w7d5ca477he05c72d2898623cf@mail.gmail.com>	<5A11D20A10024553ABBF9BBDA6BB4C74@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811171948n762af72bw3ffa692e94f19e31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922EE24.50208@gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> I remember very well when beautiful music was the selling point for FM
> in the mid 60's.
>
> WKOX-FM was the station that started the trend and then WJIB blew them
> out of the water.
Little known fact: the drop in employment of elevator operators was 
inversely linked to the rise of beautiful music. Workers compensation 
stress claims went through the skybox.

Bill O'Neill

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Nov 18 07:43:28 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:43:28 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <A398F391F69A4BA08909594C31A8FB1B@DougDrown>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
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	<A398F391F69A4BA08909594C31A8FB1B@DougDrown>
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>>WTAG-FM was purchased by Knight Quality from the Telegram & Gazette around 
1966 and became WSRS ("Worcester's Stereo Radio Station"), the first 
"beautiful music" station in central New England.   It was a shortsighted, 
and exceedingly dumb, move on the part of the T&G, as it didn't take long 
for WSRS to become a big hit.<<

The T&G was only acting in character.  They also gave up WTAG-TV, channel 5 (yes, channel 5 was originally allocated to Worcester, not Boston).  When I was WSRS's CE in the 1980s, I came across the original blueprint for the building.  The lettering over the entrance said "WTAG-TV."  I got the rest of the story from a few of the old-timers who worked there at the time.  No wonder the building was built like it was...huge rooms with high ceilings and a three-bay garage.  There wouldn't have been any reason to build a radio station like that.

IIRC the management of the T&G were convinced that TV and FM weren't going anywhere (which is why they got out of WTAG-TV and WTAG-FM), and I also recall that as late as my tour at WSRS they still believed it.  I remember well one T&G executive stating that "FM radio is not a factor in this market," even as WSRS was cleaning their clock ratings-wise.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org  Tue Nov 18 11:57:23 2008
From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:57:23 -0500
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <002201c94995$d3d55ca0$84984c0c@oemcomputer>
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<002201c94995$d3d55ca0$84984c0c@oemcomputer>
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"The Box"

No idea what happened to it.

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 12:23:18 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:23:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<002201c94995$d3d55ca0$84984c0c@oemcomputer>
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IIRC the station flipped to Azteca America, and The Box became MTV2 (or someting like it). The only time I ever saw either was in the waiting room of an auto repair shop.




________________________________
From: David Moisan <dmoisan@davidmoisan.org>
To: BRI+ <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:57:23 AM
Subject: RE: 8 LPTV's in Boston?

"The Box"

No idea what happened to it.



      

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 18 12:27:33 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:27:33 EST
Subject: Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston? 
Message-ID: <c2a.3dc5011d.36545505@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/18/2008 12:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>I remember seeing a channel 33 on the North Shore about 20  years ago --
strictly over the air, not cable. Its format was music videos  by request, I
believe through a $0.99 a minute 1-900 number IIRC. Where was  this station,
who owned it, and what happened to  it?<<
I know the station you are talking about it was owned by Randy Weigner and  
the station had a very interesting pattern. It was a cigar shape that covered  
the coast from Maine to the South Shore. I station had its transmitter in  
Gloucester somewhere. The program origination, Video Jukebox, originated from  
Miami and has been out of business for about ten years. 
 
Mike
 





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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:40:18 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:40:18 -0500
Subject: WEEI "flash guy" charged in fatal car crash
Message-ID: <20081118164019.7626BCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

Jessica Heslam reports in today's Herald that a WEEI "sports flash guy", Robert Finnerty, has been charged in
the DWI-related death of a 19-year old Cambridge man. Finnerty failed two sobriety tests.

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_11_18_WEEI_guy_charged_in_fatal_crash:_Pal:_Alleged_drunk_was_designated_driver/srvc=home&position=1

Ironically enough, WEEI's "Big Show" starts off with a man saying, "This is your last call. Last call. Last call for alcohol."
Awkward...

(Entercom Boston also hit the police blotter recently with the arrest of Reese Hopkins.)

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 13:03:39 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:03:39 -0500
Subject: WEEI "flash guy" charged in fatal car crash
In-Reply-To: <20081118164019.7626BCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <6BD107BB345B4C24A1D9002A4A1BF45E@DHPP0DB1>

> Ironically enough, WEEI's "Big Show" starts off with a man saying, "This
> is your last call. Last call. Last call for alcohol."
> Awkward...

The Show doesn't start out with that. That clip is played after the whiner
line, when hosts on the show have one last thing to say for the day,
sometimes a plug for a charity, or a complaint about an athlete, etc...

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 13:13:42 2008
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:13:42 -0500
Subject: WEEI "flash guy" charged in fatal car crash
In-Reply-To: <6BD107BB345B4C24A1D9002A4A1BF45E@DHPP0DB1>
References: <20081118164019.7626BCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<6BD107BB345B4C24A1D9002A4A1BF45E@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0811181013o607ed45fk1799a0fd5a7affa1@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, I meant to say that the "Last Call" segment at the end of the
show starts with
that clip, not that it leads off the entire show...

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 13:26:51 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:26:51 -0500
Subject: WJIB sign on
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>>  IIRC the management of the T&G were convinced that TV and FM weren't 
>> going anywhere

A more recent example was Westinghouse as late as 1980-81.

They put so little effort into any of their FM's, they started selling them 
off for cheap.  (I think they sold WBZ-FM off for $5 million).  They 
divested of all their FM's ("..because we're an 'AM Company'".) and then had 
to buy back FM facilities in all their markets for 5 times the price!



From paul@derrynh.net  Tue Nov 18 16:01:46 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:01:46 -0500
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGEdiMA
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro><18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGEdiMA
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Since Southern NH is part of the Boston TV Market...

Would the LPTV Ch 13 (WYCN) in Nashua count as one of the 8? 
I believe that they have a LPTV TX in Nashua (at higher power than the
'host' station IIRC) as well as a LPTV TX in Manchester, Chs 33 and 29
respectively, I believe?

-Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Howard Glazer
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:54 AM
To: Garrett Wollman; Don A
Cc: BRI+
Subject: Re: 8 LPTV's in Boston?


----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: BRI+ <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:47 AM
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?


> <<On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:32:39 -0500, "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
said:
>
> > Are there EIGHT LPTV stations licensed to Boston?
>
> No.  There may well be that many "in the Boston area" (if you count
> Leicester and Lawrence as being "in the Boston area").  I believe
> there are three licensed to Boston proper (two operating from FM-128
> in Newton and one operating from a crane off Melnea Cass Blvd.).  I
> want to say they're on channels 24, 40, and 58, but I could be
> misremembering.  (The 58, WCEA-LP, was originally on channel 19 and
> was displaced by WGBH-TV's DTV.)
>
> -GAWollman
>

I remember seeing a channel 33 on the North Shore about 20 years ago --
strictly over the air, not cable. Its format was music videos by request, I
believe through a $0.99 a minute 1-900 number IIRC. Where was this station,
who owned it, and what happened to it?

Howard



From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 16:39:50 2008
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:39:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?  New Hampshire  WYCN
In-Reply-To: <A5CF35C96A994BF4A601120F8F965B74@YOURA48F92F9EB>
Message-ID: <440302.44634.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In Nashua both low power channel 13 and channel 33 carry the same programing. If you look at their directional antenna patern they come at the city with different paterns. I can barely get each in Londonderry with a deep fringe antenna or in many sections of Nashua on a portable television, but they are there.

I never received the Manchester version on channel 29, even when driving around hunting with a portable tv. I believe their transmitter site is supposed to be near the airport, Grenier Field/MHT.


John B
N1QGS

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:57:19 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:57:19 -0600
Subject: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV
In-Reply-To: <001a01c94978$f8a0ca00$e9e25e00$@net>
References: <001a01c94978$f8a0ca00$e9e25e00$@net>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811181357h5020c2fi22b4ea9b5250919c@mail.gmail.com>

I've been friends with Michael Collins for years, but haven't ehard the
story about WICC-TV and The $100 in years, so I couldn't rememebr exact what
the story behind it was.

Paul Walker

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in
> > 1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win
> a
> > crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent,
> > with the FCC's blessing.
>
> >I believe it was Morgan Kayolian who was the one who made the offer right?
> >He was a traffic reporter for years.
> >Michael Collins told me that story once!
>
> According to WICC's website, Bob Crane made the offer on his TV show.  But
> Morgan Kayolian did skits on Bob's show, so I think Morgan provided the
> money and actually showed it.  Also, Michael Collins is an expert on CT
> broadcast history, and worked with Morgan at WICC. :)
>
> Channel 43 info
> http://www.wicc600.com/wiccclock.htm
>
> Morgan Kaolian at WICC
> http://www.wicc600.com/morgan.htm
>
> Bob Crane at WICC
> http://www.wicc600.com/bobcrane.htm
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:56:09 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (kvahey@gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV
Message-ID: <1977233.5979.1227048969455.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>

Same Bob Crane who would become Col Hogan?

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:09 PM
To: Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net>
Cc:  <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Subject: Re: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV

I've been friends with Michael Collins for years, but haven't ehard the
story about WICC-TV and The $100 in years, so I couldn't rememebr exact what
the story behind it was.

Paul Walker

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > A similar situation occured in Bridgeport, CT at WICC-TV (Channel 43) in
> > 1960.  The first caller to Channel 43 within the allotted time would win
> a
> > crisp new $100 bill.  Nobody called.  The next day, WICC-TV went silent,
> > with the FCC's blessing.
>
> >I believe it was Morgan Kayolian who was the one who made the offer right?
> >He was a traffic reporter for years.
> >Michael Collins told me that story once!
>
> According to WICC's website, Bob Crane made the offer on his TV show.  But
> Morgan Kayolian did skits on Bob's show, so I think Morgan provided the
> money and actually showed it.  Also, Michael Collins is an expert on CT
> broadcast history, and worked with Morgan at WICC. :)
>
> Channel 43 info
> http://www.wicc600.com/wiccclock.htm
>
> Morgan Kaolian at WICC
> http://www.wicc600.com/morgan.htm
>
> Bob Crane at WICC
> http://www.wicc600.com/bobcrane.htm
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:55:13 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:13 -0600
Subject: WJIB sign on
In-Reply-To: <034e01c9498a$32cb5270$9861f750$@com>
References: <11909919.4399.1226951883160.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>
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LOL... That is kinda funny!

There's a few others on there as well.

Paul


On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Brian Vita <brian_vita@cssinc.com> wrote:

> While you're there on YouTube, did anyone else check out the EAS alert on
> WGBH-TV?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtazPr8XesI&feature=related
>
> About time those counties got nailed....
>
>
>

From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 19:12:10 2008
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:12:10 -0500
Subject: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV
Message-ID: <001101c949db$7f88ff80$7e9afe80$@net>

>Same Bob Crane who would become Col Hogan?

Yes.

>The old WATR-TV in Waterbury, originally on Channel 53 and later on Channel

20, was at first (IIRC) affiliated with ABC and later with NBC...Why was
there 
a perceived need for either network to have another affiliate in Waterbury? 
Was it because of the hilly terrain and poor signal quality from New Britain

and New Haven?

Definitely hilly terrain and poor signal from New Britain for NBC.  Also
Channel 30 had less power and a smaller tower in the 60s.

Channel 30 had a translator for 79 on WATR-TV's tower for a few years until
the Waterbury station got the NBC affiliation in 1966.  The translator was
later moved to the hills of northwestern Connecticut.  Channel 30 also had a
Channel 59 translator in New Haven.

Regarding ABC, WICC-TV was also an ABC affiliate.  Don't know why ABC wanted
multiple affiliates in Connecticut.  Maybe because of the hills and Channel
8's lower power and tower height in the 50s, and because 8 at one time aired
all four networks.

Similar situation in Central PA.  Channels 15 and 21 were CBS affiliates.


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Nov 18 20:13:49 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:13:49 -0500
Subject: CC & Cumulus Drop Arbitron For Neilsen 
Message-ID: <4923684D.3020801@ttlc.net>

(Per R&R) Clear Channel & Cummulus have opted to get their ratings 
annually (for 50 small & medium-sized markets) from Neilsen and rather 
than quarterly from Arbitron.

Arbitron president claims "this is a step backwards."

Is this just cost-cutting?  Lack of faith in Arbitron?  Posturing?   Other?



From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:57:49 2008
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:57:49 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I] "WNET Radio, 660 am"?!? (Was: WJIB sign on)
Message-ID: <4923729D.9000301@Gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Brian Vita <brian_vita@cssinc.com> wrote:

 > While you're there on YouTube, did anyone else check out
 > the EAS alert on WGBH-TV?

Even better, how about the WNET-13 1970's sign-off,

           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sGlg29mHo&feature=related

 > We advise you now to switch to WNET Radio, 660 Am

Huhhhh?!?!?!

      ~Kaimbridge~

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From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Nov 18 21:13:40 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:13:40 -0500
Subject: CC & Cumulus Drop Arbitron For Neilsen 
In-Reply-To: <4923684D.3020801@ttlc.net>
References: <4923684D.3020801@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <18723.30292.738959.122752@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:13:49 -0500, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> said:

> (Per R&R) Clear Channel & Cummulus have opted to get their ratings 
> annually (for 50 small & medium-sized markets) from Neilsen and rather 
> than quarterly from Arbitron.

> Arbitron president claims "this is a step backwards."

> Is this just cost-cutting?  Lack of faith in Arbitron?  Posturing?   Other?

Probably a bit of all of the above.  If advertisers are no longer
trusting Arbitron's numbers (and why should they?) then stations don't
need them any more.  An annual survey is probably good enough as
guidance for the management in small markets where programming doesn't
change frequently, and if necessary they can always commission a
special survey.  Since these are diary markets anyway, and the intab
is going to be fairly small, the ratings are likely to be next to
meaningless anyway.  (If, by cutting the frequency, you can increase
the sample population, then you might actually win by getting numbers
that can actually distinguish between #3 and #12 in a 15-station
market.)

<rant>
Ultimately, radio is in competition with other advertising media which
have lower cost and auditable audience response.  Arbitron doesn't
measure response at all, and the various ways that stations could do
so probably cost less than what Arbitron's charging for numbers that
aren't saleable.
</rant>

-GAWollman


From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 21:17:56 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:17:56 -0600
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811180018vb9ceea3la02795b6c538800e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80811180018vb9ceea3la02795b6c538800e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811181817r440a88cbn5bdfb6634f6f7368@mail.gmail.com>

What was the story with Video Jukebox aka The Box?

I think it was running MTV2 for awhile after MTV bought the company.

It seemed to have a good signal.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:22:04 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:22:04 -0600
Subject: 8 LPTV's in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811181817r440a88cbn5bdfb6634f6f7368@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ED2DD6C9DD514D7FAE5F5E01749A40D4@MainXPPro>
	<18722.29476.276939.760011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80811180018vb9ceea3la02795b6c538800e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770811181817r440a88cbn5bdfb6634f6f7368@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811181822m1b94020ctf319d58fb7446973@mail.gmail.com>

MTV bought The Box and turned it into MTV2

When I lived in Downtown Montgomery, Alabama there was a station, WBXM-CA 5
which ran programming from MTV 2. I was on the 7th floor of the apartment
building with a decent TV antenna. I could SEE the WBXM-CA transmitting
antenna from my window, we were maybe 1/2 mile by air from it.

The signal was so crappy, I couldn't get the color to lock.. as the signal
would fade, the color would go in and out.

It had an STA for... 19 Watts!!! Surprisingly enough, when you'd call a
phone number listed in the book for them, someone actually answered!

Paul Walker


On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> What was the story with Video Jukebox aka The Box?
>
> I think it was running MTV2 for awhile after MTV bought the company.
>
> It seemed to have a good signal.
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:37:47 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (kvahey@gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Metro does sports flash for EEI?
Message-ID: <31821644.5904.1227044267277.JavaMail.seven@ap1.trial.red.7sys.net>

The Herald piece on the accident says that Metro confirms that he was an employee who does Sports Flash for WEEI.

When did Entercom farm that out?

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov 19 14:17:05 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:17:05 -0500
Subject: Metro does sports flash for EEI?
Message-ID: <20081119191705.D1843BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kvahey@gmail.com" 
>To: bri@bostonradio.org
>Subject: Metro does sports flash for EEI?
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:37:47 -0800 (PST)

>The Herald piece on the accident says that Metro confirms that he 
>was an employee who does Sports Flash for WEEI.
>When did Entercom farm that out?

Speaking of "farming out";  WQXR-FM, the Radio Station of the New York Times,
will be getting its newscasts from Bloomberg, owner of WBBR-AM 1130 in that city.
I never would have expected that. ("Nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition")
The Times allowed Disney to run Radio Disney on its AM signal at the time...
could WBBR-AM some day appear on 96.3 in an LMA deal, leading to a purchase by
Bloomberg, and this is just the foot in the door?

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From billohno@gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:10:04 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:04 -0500
Subject: Rush to WVMT
Message-ID: <492480AC.3080804@gmail.com>

Rush Limbaugh has moved to WVMT (620 Burlington).  It looks like with 
96.7 split off from WEAV (960 Plattsburgh) there was little left to keep 
carriage going?

Bill O'Neill

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov 19 18:12:39 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:12:39 -0500
Subject: Radio, TV Would Be Deeply Affected By Big Three Demise
Message-ID: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

I was getting my daily "progressive" fix at huffingtonpost.com, and noticed
an entry about the effect that a failure to bail out the "Big Three" auto
makers would have on TV (and by extension radio).  A H-U-G-E percentage of
auto brand-name and dealer commercials appear on the only programs on Boston-
area TV stations I ever see: the local news.  Sometimes they run one right 
after another...no attempt seems to be made to provide separation from 
competitors.  I sometimes hear auto spots on radio, although most seem to 
be for advertisers that provide support to the auto firms, like Auto Zone 
and Direct Tire.  From time to time, I've wondered how effective all this
indistinguishable advertising can be (you know, ususally red vehicles all
by themselves, not in traffic, just racing along);  maybe if domestic auto makers
just barely survive (and the foreign-owned manufacturers don't seem to be 
doing all that well either), television and radio stations may experience cutbacks 
anyway.  And if it hits the newscasts especially hard, a few reporters and 
anchors (are two REALLY needed?) could be asking if you want paper or plastic.


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From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 17:48:26 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:48:26 -0600
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
Message-ID: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>

Sirius XM closed at .16 cents today.

With nobody buying new cars theuir is little hope for growth.

Stern has seen his stock value drop to under 8 million from nearly
200M. He must be thrilled.

I suspect Sirius may close the NY studios and move everything to DC
simply to save on rent.

As WiFi gets more widespread services like Pandora will hurt them evenb more.

The future of broadcasting looks solid compared to this.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 19:34:56 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:34:56 -0600
Subject: Radio, TV Would Be Deeply Affected By Big Three Demise
In-Reply-To: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811191634w3aec26cdlf901e200eccbb4c4@mail.gmail.com>

It has already started as GM has cancelled advertising on The Oscar's in 2009.

The big problem now is new car buyers can not get credit from banks.
So why make any more new cars when you have loading docks full of them
( see NY Times today )

Sirius XM is really hurt by this as new cars are the bulk of new subscribers.

I noticed this in September when Sox games did not have their heavy
load of car spots.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov 19 20:02:21 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:02:21 -0500
Subject: Radio, TV Would Be Deeply Affected By Big Three Demise
In-Reply-To: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18724.46877.201166.299427@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:12:39 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com> said:

> Subject: Radio, TV Would Be Deeply Affected By Big Three Demise

There are so many erroneous assumptions in that subject heading that I
don't know where to begin.  Did you write that or was it a Fox News
copyeditor?  (No, scratch that -- in Fox World there would have to be
a "Missing Mom" in there somehow.)

TV does depend a lot on automaker advertising.  But nobody who knows
anything about business believes in a scenario that would lead to the
"demise" of the so-called "Big Three".  The worst-case scenario is
that GM, Chrysler, and Ford all file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy -- in
which case, they would still be operating and they would still need to
advertise their products, just like happened with most of the major
airlines in the past decade.[1][2]  Chrysler will probably end up being
owned by someone else (the private-equity firm that currently owns it
doesn't want it), probably another automaker; the only question is
whether they will have to declare bankruptcy first.

There will, without doubt, be declines in automobile advertising -- in
fact, automakers have already announced reductions in their "up-front"
ad buys for the second half of the season.  There will eventually be
secular declines as well: if GM goes into bankruptcy, we should expect
to see at least one of their brands eliminated.  (This would be much
easier to do in bankruptcy as the company would be able to reject
labor agreements and dealership franchise contracts.)  This would
reduce the overall advertising spending at GM, since each brand has
its own advertising program.

-GAWollman

[1] Case in point: during all those airline bankruptcies, the
companies' frequent-flier programs -- practically at the bottom of the
list of unsecured creditors -- were maintained and no DL, UA, or US
frequent flier lost miles in those programs.

[2] According to the UAW, Ford is in the best shape of the three.  Of
course, there are plenty of other automakers: Daimler, Hyundai,
Renault-Nissan, Fuji Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi, Honda, Mazda,
Toyota, and VW, just to name a few that do business in the U.S. market

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov 19 20:16:21 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:16:21 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18724.47717.684442.965058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:48:26 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> Sirius XM closed at .16 cents today.

I think you mean to say that it closed at 16 cents, not 16/100 of a
cent.

> Stern has seen his stock value drop to under 8 million from nearly
> 200M. He must be thrilled.

Sirius XM has too many shares outstanding for the revenue the company
is able to earn.  (There are more SIRI shares out than GM, go figure!)
It's possible that they may run out of cash and need to go through
Chapter 11 to get their balance sheet turned around; evidently the
stock market is pricing that in. 

(Many radio companies are in similar financial shape -- Citadel closed
at 21 cents today, Radio One is at 38 cents, and Salem is at 88 cents.
You can have Cumulus shares for 46 cents a piece.  The Disney spin-off
of ABC Radio to Citadel is beginning to look brilliant: DIS made $4
billion last year, and CDL lost $1 billion.  Once Citadel is toast,
they can buy those assets back for much less than they were sold for.)

-GAWollman


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov 19 19:41:25 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:41:25 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c54a60d1faab@[192.168.0.100]>

At 4:48 PM -0600 11/19/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:

>Sirius XM closed at .16 cents today.
>
>With nobody buying new cars theuir is little hope for growth.
>
>I suspect Sirius may close the NY studios and move everything to DC
>simply to save on rent.

They have already cancelled many of the channels that originated from 
New York, so now, as of last Wednesday, most of the music channels on 
Sirius are the same ones that were on XM.  And they managed to upset 
a number of their customers in the process, by making the changes 
without telling anyone.  Those who read the various blogs and boards 
such as http://www.orbitcast.com and 
http://www.digitalradiocentral.com knew that the change was coming, 
but not the details.  So a lot of people got in their cars last 
Wednesday morning to find out their favorite channel had disappeared 
or been changed.  They are slowly restoring some of the programs that 
they got the most complaints about, Vin Scelsa resumed today on The 
Loft (Sirius 29, XM50).

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:43:29 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:43:29 -0600
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
In-Reply-To: <18724.47717.684442.965058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4fc429770811191743k3661a9d7p44535eb1f0a77201@mail.gmail.com>

Nobody ever said the Mouse was stupid.

Funny thing is XM got more bang for their buck with MLB than Sirius
did with Stern but now they are churning former baseball customers who
can get the home and away feed for all games on computer or cellphone.
A Red Sox fan in Montana doesn't want to hear Sterling and Dame Edna
doing a game.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 01:42:46 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:42:46 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
References: <4fc429770811191448y45c5934dv4d05c74b039e0872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4781A4D37AE3478F8E0C549530E1AF4B@MainXPPro>


> As WiFi gets more widespread services like Pandora will hurt them evenb
> more.

I think wi-fi in cars is a long way off.

When I think of how hard it is to get a cell-phone signal coverage in some
area (No, I don't mean downtown Boston), and the spotty reception for even
Verizon (supposedly the best) in northern New England...I don't think anyone
is going to blanket wi-fi entire listening areas without a lot of 'growing
pains'.

People put up with cell phone dropouts and dead zones as usage
grew...because people wanted to the convenience.
(Same thing at the airport, people put up with all sorts of crap because
they don't want to be without the convenience of being able to hop on a
plane and be across the country in a few hours.)

I have been in airport terminals that are supposed to have wi-fi and had
trouble conencting.  I've been in cafe's and hotels that offer wi-fi...and
had trouble conencting.

I don't think people care that much about radio, nor is there enough
compelling content that people will endure the costs, efforts and what will
probably start out as spotty reception and questionable performance.

I hear that "Wi-Fi in the car is coming"...but mainly from other radio geeks
like us...who WANT that to happen.  (I DO!)  But I don't think the average
person/consumer is driving this product.

Satellite radio is more reliable...and the average person is not that
interested in that!

I say...10 years.


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 08:14:16 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:14:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Radio, TV Would Be Deeply Affected By Big Three Demise
References: <20081119231239.E592232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770811191634w3aec26cdlf901e200eccbb4c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <850832.2639.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I can testify to this - GMC backed out of being the presenting sponsor of Celtics Pregame Live. While we do have signficant auto advertising in Celtics games I'm not seeing the orders for a full season like in seasons past. They're coming down just before the start of the next month or quarter and many are quite scaled back.


      

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 20 11:33:31 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:33:31 -0500
Subject: Stations Clash With Cable Over 'Boston' Patriot Game
Message-ID: <p06240801c54b412f6b9a@[192.168.0.100]>

An article from Broadcasting and Cable:

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/60000406/post/510036451.html

I find it interesting that they don't even consider Providence to be 
part of their home market, when they play closer to Providence than 
to Boston.  But then again, they must make more money this way.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 20 10:55:11 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:55:11 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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At 1:42 AM -0500 11/20/08, Don A wrote:
>
>I hear that "Wi-Fi in the car is coming"...but mainly from other radio geeks
>like us...who WANT that to happen.  (I DO!)  But I don't think the average
>person/consumer is driving this product.
>
>Satellite radio is more reliable...and the average person is not that
>interested in that!
>
>I say...10 years.

And I don't want to see wi-fi in cars unless it is at least as easy 
to use as a radio (crash!).  Even some of the newer radios are too 
distracting to use.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov 20 12:28:55 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:28:55 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: Boston-Radio-Interest <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Sirius XM stock tanking


> At 4:48 PM -0600 11/19/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
> >Sirius XM closed at .16 cents today.
> >
> >With nobody buying new cars theuir is little hope for growth.
> >
> >I suspect Sirius may close the NY studios and move everything to DC
> >simply to save on rent.
>
> They have already cancelled many of the channels that originated from
> New York, so now, as of last Wednesday, most of the music channels on
> Sirius are the same ones that were on XM.  And they managed to upset
> a number of their customers in the process, by making the changes
> without telling anyone.  Those who read the various blogs and boards
> such as http://www.orbitcast.com and
> http://www.digitalradiocentral.com knew that the change was coming,
> but not the details.  So a lot of people got in their cars last
> Wednesday morning to find out their favorite channel had disappeared
> or been changed.  They are slowly restoring some of the programs that
> they got the most complaints about, Vin Scelsa resumed today on The
> Loft (Sirius 29, XM50).
>

Check http://www.xmfan.com for the many complaints of the XM subscribers.
Spanish-language music channels, which used to include tropical, reggaeton,
Latin love songs/oldies, and regional Mexican, have been slashed to only
one -- Caliente, a mainstream tropical channel of the sort that tops the
ratings in (surprise!) New York City, the center of Sirius' universe. Nobody
in NYC listens to that Mexican stuff, so nobody who matters does, right? The
fans of "old school" rap have lost their station. X Country, the Americana
station that aggressively promoted new artists, has been replaced by an
outlaw/trucker music channel that occasionally plays a Robert Earl Keen
song. The wide-ranging Vox, which played opera to Gregorian chant to lieder
to spirituals, has been replaced by a "name" channel, Metropolitan Opera,
which plays little else but live and recorded operas from the Met.

The biggest complaint everyone seems to have, though, is the way Sirius XM
corporate decided to Pearl Harbor its customer base with these changes
rather than let them know what's coming. I'd imagine that's just following
the FM playbook, in which stations just flip from oldies to hip-hop at noon
while the old staff cleans out its desks under the eyes of company
rent-a-cops. Personally, I'm fine with most of the changes -- we've got a
great country oldies channel now (Roadhouse) in place of America, which had
an unbecoming anti-mainstream Nashville slant, and the Underground Garage
and Margaritaville channels are eclectic delights -- but there is definitely
dissatisfaction from both sat-radio constituencies.

I'm wondering whether Sirius XM will be able to afford its two big-money
sports contracts -- MLB (which so far has not allowed its content to be made
available on the Sirius side) and NFL (which is available on the XM side for
an added fee) -- with money so tight, and how much the loss of either or
both will impact subscriber numbers. I think everyone agrees that both
companies overreached and overestimated the public's willingness to pay for
radio, a medium that just isn't an important part of Joe Sixpack's life,
unlike TV. Could a downsized, mostly-music Sirius XM survive as a tightly
focused niche product, or would Wall Street totally abandon it?

Howard



From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 13:23:29 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:23:29 -0600
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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New York has never had a Mexican population as it is an unwritten rule
that it belongs to Puerto Rico and the Domincan Republic.

Chicago by contrast the Hispanic population is 90 percent Mexican.

I have noticed that Sirius channels seemed to have better overall
post-production. The XM 60's channel hasn't done anything new in 3
ears. The Wolfman reruns got old very quickly.

The signal on XM also seems to be a little stronger in urban locations
and XM has had portable units that could get live programming
something Sirius never offered.

I picked XM simply because of baseball.

From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 17:20:57 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:20:57 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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Howard Glazer wrote:
> Could a downsized, mostly-music Sirius XM survive as a tightly
> focused niche product, or would Wall Street totally abandon it?
While it's anyone's guess about what Wall Street will do, the SiriusXM 
users who remain loyal will likely be outside of the top markets. While 
truckers, bless 'em all, can't sustain the satellite radio industry, 
there are many people who don't have the luxury of great terrestrial 
options.  I think it will be an easier day for sat radio once they are 
standard offerings in car radios.

Bill O'Neill


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov 20 17:42:50 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:42:50 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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<<On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:20:57 -0500, "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com> said:

> I think it will be an easier day for sat radio once they are
> standard offerings in car radios.

Um, they are.

-GAWollman


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 17:46:08 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:46:08 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Um, they are.
>   

Ya, right. Next you're going to tell me right side-view mirrors are 
standard now, too. <g>

b -

From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Thu Nov 20 18:33:05 2008
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:33:05 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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On Nov 20, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The XM 60's channel hasn't done anything new in 3
> [y]ears....


C'mon, how can you say that?  They added the Chickenman Series  
reruns....

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 20 18:11:45 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:11:45 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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At 5:42 PM -0500 11/20/08, Garrett Wollman wrote:
><<On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:20:57 -0500, "Bill O'Neill" 
><billohno@gmail.com> said:
>
>>  I think it will be an easier day for sat radio once they are
>>  standard offerings in car radios.
>
>Um, they are.

In my 08 Subaru, it was an available option, but not standard.  Since 
they wanted $400 plus installation for that option, I instead had the 
aftermarket radio with Sirius that I had in my previous car installed 
into the new one.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Thu Nov 20 19:48:43 2008
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:48:43 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Larry Weil wrote:

> In my 08 Subaru, it was an available option, but not standard.   
> Since they wanted $400 plus installation for that option, I instead  
> had the aftermarket radio with Sirius that I had in my previous car  
> installed into the new one.


I live in the middle of nowhere, so the only radio signal I can  
consistently get is from a satellite.  When I bought my 2004 GM  
vehicle, I was delighted to activate the dashboard built-in XM Radio.   
Subsequently my son purchased a shirt-pocket portable XM receiver, the  
subscription for which we added to my account.  These days I'm envious  
of my son because he can listen to his XM radio in the house when he  
gets home.  For me to have similar capability, however, I have to add  
a third radio subscription fee to my monthly bill, or I have to buy a  
radio like his and disable (un-subscribe) my in-dash receiver.

If I had it to do over again, I'd look for a removable XM receiver  
module as a vehicle option, or I would skip the in-dash XM radio  
entirely and duplicate what my son purchased ? regardless of any price  
differential in either direction.

Bud Hippisley

From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov 20 19:56:56 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:56:56 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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<<On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:11:45 -0500, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> In my 08 Subaru, it was an available option, but not standard.  Since 
> they wanted $400 plus installation for that option, I instead had the 
> aftermarket radio with Sirius that I had in my previous car installed 
> into the new one.

In both my '05 Honda and my '08 Honda, it was a standard feature for
the trim level.  I didn't get the '05 with that feature in mind, but
when I re-leased last year that was certainly a consideration.

For what it's worth, the changes on "80s on 8" were announced by Rick
Stacy (XM's only jock on that channel) about a week before they
happened.  I'm not sure I care for the revamped channel.  I certainly
don't like the MTV non-personalities they have sharing jock duty now.

-GAWollman

From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov 20 20:23:44 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:23:44 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
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>>> The XM 60's channel hasn't done anything new in 3
> [y]ears....


C'mon, how can you say that?  They added the Chickenman Series  
reruns....<<

They also added the old syndicated Wolfman Jack shows (which they didn't have three years ago), and since the merger with Sirius they brought over Broadway Bill Lee and Cousin Brucie.  Unfortunately, one piece of fallout from the merger is the re-branding of both services as Sirius-XM, so they had to mangle those PAMS jingle re-sings they had, to avoid any mention of "XM Radio" by itself.  Fortunately, they did keep the Friday Top-40 radio station tribute.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 02:14:53 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:14:53 -0500
Subject: BRW: WWZN to air Santos progressive talk show
Message-ID: <20081121071453.422B649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://www.bostonradiowatch.com is saying that Jeff Santos, who used to do a Sunday afternoon show on
WXKS/WKOX when they were progressive talk, will do a weekday show on WWZN 1510, mornings starting on Dec. 1.
This is already one thing that 1200/1430 did not do: a daily weekday (local) show! (The current sports talk
show airing in a.m. drive will go to afternoons).

WWZN, offering everything from progressive talk to Brother Stair!

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 02:31:05 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:31:05 -0500
Subject: BRW: WWZN to air Santos progressive talk show
Message-ID: <20081121073105.D11B983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

WWZN will also run a show with Peter Collins weeknights from 6-9 pm and a national show
will be added in January. Santos said in a post on the Save Prog. Radio Boston yahoo group
that the effort is being made to make the station a 24/7 home for progressive talk.

(Now hold on there, pardner! We've got the Fairness Doctrine coming in. That means
you have to run an equal amount of conservative shows! :)

(Just kidding, though, of course if the F.D. means equal time for conservatives on
WWZN, it would mean equal time for liberals on WTKK and WRKO...though not every
host there is necessarily conservative...) :)

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 02:42:23 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:42:23 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
Message-ID: <20081121074223.1790E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

I've had the XM Express-EZ in my car since March. Clips to air vent. I have a Sure Connect clipped to my
antenna to get a clear signal sent to a good open channel (and no need to keep getting batteries for a
mini-FM transmitter this way). As for the receiving antenna, I probably could have it
on my roof, but usually I get good reception by placing it at the base of my windshield, in the
middle. When in some hilly areas, like Vermont a couple weeks back, I would lose the signal
at times but usually it picks it up fine.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 02:48:19 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:48:19 -0500
Subject: Sliwa gets national rollout Dec 1
Message-ID: <20081121074819.491A6CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

Curtis Sliwa's new show on WTKK has been also running on KABC in Los Angeles--and now it will truly be
coast to coast. Radio-info.com reports that ABC Radio is syndicating Sliwa's "streets to the suites"
chat nationwide starting Dec 1, weeknights 10 pm to 1 am (KABC is tape delaying it till 10 pm Pacific
I believe). WMAL in the nation's capitol is another affiliate.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 12:14:56 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:14:56 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
Message-ID: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The addition of local progressive talk shows to the Boston radio dial is encouraging, as (yes,
"All politics is local", Tip...) the essence of political talk radio is not just what's
going on nationally but what's going on down the street.

On WRKO, Tom Finneran had left-and-right participants talk about the election, locally
and nationally, and Howie Carr was on top of the Wilkerson scandal and toll hike
proposals. Michelle McPhee on WTKK has helped to organize a protest against toll
hikes, on- and off-air, and WBZ's Dan Rea has tackled the local issues as well.
Having local hosts on WWZN will further enrich the conversation (and again remember that
a daily local host was something Clear Channel did NOT do with WXKS and WWZN).

It's important that the local issues get discussed rather than just "turning on
the bird" to save money. And, oh, what's this? A Boston city councillor has
also been ensnared in a bribery scandal?

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_11_21_Boston_City_Councilor_Churck_Turner_arrested_in_bribery_case/srvc=home&position=0


Thankfully local talk radio is there, and it shouldn't have to take a Fairness
Doctrine or "local origination" law to get it on the air. (Live and local
talk can indeed do well, not just here but elsewhere...WNIR in Kent/Akron Ohio
comes to mind, as it usually tops the ratings...)

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Nov 21 12:36:52 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:52 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Message-ID: <4884E0BAFC2B4F71966D104A3C4BFA67@SatU205S5044>

If Santos's program lasts past 13 weeks, or maybe 26 (I'm not counting
on its longevity), I suspect that he will try for national
syndication. Isn't Peter B Collins tied in with Nova M? If so,
wouldn't that mean they are syndicating his show on WWZN and would be
behind syndication of Santos's show in other markets? I was never
tremendously impressed with Santos to begin with, but if his show goes
national, I would expect Boston-oriented content to be minimal.

You can chalk this up as wild conspiracy theory, but I suspect that
the money beind airing these Progressive talk programs on WWZN most
likely comes from an anonymous right-wing benefactor, who is out to
prove that, since Boston is now getting Progressive talk on a 50 kW
commercial station, the Fairness Doctrine is not an issue. As you
know, the righties are absolutely paranoid about the Democrats' trying
to restore the Fairness Doctrine even though Presdient-elect Obama has
said he is not interested in seeing that happen.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: The importance of local talk radio


The addition of local progressive talk shows to the Boston radio dial
is encouraging, as (yes,
"All politics is local", Tip...) the essence of political talk radio
is not just what's
going on nationally but what's going on down the street.

On WRKO, Tom Finneran had left-and-right participants talk about the
election, locally
and nationally, and Howie Carr was on top of the Wilkerson scandal and
toll hike
proposals. Michelle McPhee on WTKK has helped to organize a protest
against toll
hikes, on- and off-air, and WBZ's Dan Rea has tackled the local issues
as well.
Having local hosts on WWZN will further enrich the conversation (and
again remember that
a daily local host was something Clear Channel did NOT do with WXKS
and WWZN).

It's important that the local issues get discussed rather than just
"turning on
the bird" to save money. And, oh, what's this? A Boston city
councillor has
also been ensnared in a bribery scandal?

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_11_21_Boston_City_Councilor_Churck_Turner_arrested_in_bribery_case/srvc=home&position=0


Thankfully local talk radio is there, and it shouldn't have to take a
Fairness
Doctrine or "local origination" law to get it on the air. (Live and
local
talk can indeed do well, not just here but elsewhere...WNIR in
Kent/Akron Ohio
comes to mind, as it usually tops the ratings...)


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 13:04:34 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:04:34 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
Message-ID: <20081121180434.AE6F4CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

I hadn't heard of Collins before, though I knew of Santos as he had been given a chance to do
Sunday afternoons on WXKS/WKOX. (Not exactly the best time slot--why not a DAILY local show?--
with a lot of people around here concentrating on the Patriots, etc. at that time!)

The owners of WWZN said when they took over that they wanted to give ethnic programming a shot
(read: brokered time), and they have also had such things as an Irish music show on Sunday
nights (not sure if it's still on) and Brother Stair's warnings of the End Times overnight.

I don't know if a right wing benefactor is paying for the airtime. For all I know it could
be a certain Senator whose wife is a ketchup heiress (ha)

The "righties" are either paranoid about losing Rush, or a silly little thing like a loss
of Freedom of Speech/Freedom of the Press; the government stepping in to regulate political
content on radio. What's crazy around here is the fact that while liberal talk radio
hasn't had much luck, the GOP is even worse off (thus the "does talk radio matter?"
discussion). Would it be "fair" to ensure that 5 of our U.S. Congressmen be Republicans?
Of course not; people vote for whom they like. It's the same with radio (though of
course the argument is "program directors aren't giving us a chance!" Clear Channel
did...though they were tight-fisted with their budget and didn't put daily local
hosts on.)

I should mention, though, that there actually are some voices from the left on here, even
on the "big" stations. Or at least they're to the loft on some issues.
WTKK's syndicated Phil Hendrie is a guy who may be to
the right on some issues but he's clearly "progressive" on others such as gay rights
(he even airs on the progressive talk station in L.A.). Other shows may have moderate
or liberal hosts, but it's the Carrs, Grahams, Severins, Reas, et al, who get the
most attention. But, as I've pointed out before, Leveille is no conservative. WBZ isn't
exactly a 100 watt signal!

But again, local is the key. One or two LOCAL hosts to go with all the syndie. Don't
make the mistake CC did with WKOX and WXKS, and also the mistake Salem did with
the former WTTT 1150 (though I think they did try Don Feder briefly?)

WWZN 1510 could well pick up the left leaning audience as well as younger people
who may tilt left, while older listeners and those on the Right (whether
social or fiscal conservatives) have preferred the other stations in town.
A reminder of course that not everyone is hard-left or hard-right. I've given
the Dennis Miller quote about "not having a problem with Larry marrying Steve,
but I would have a problem if an Islamofascist firebombed their wedding". The
so-called South Park Republicans (liberal/moderate on some issue, conservative
on most) are also out there and maybe Miller (Dennis, not Steph) falls into
their category.

If liberal-leaning talk shows are well done, more power to them (I have heard
the likes of Steph Miller, Alan Colmes, Michael Jackson, and Jay Marvin
and they weren't bad) but I wouldn't want the government to force them onto
the airwaves.

Some station owners are saying "we don't want to have to run liberal talk
because our ratings will suffer". Then libtalkers, do some good shows;
program directors, give them a shot. But I don't want "We're From The
Government And We're Here To Help You" to regulate program content.
Freedom of speech/freedom of the press, even on "the public's airwaves".

 

From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Fri Nov 21 14:03:14 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:03:14 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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I've always wondered about the situation in Buffalo, NY (Entercom country).
The right-wing talk gets an 11 rating 12+ on WBEN with its 5 kw signal, and
the left-wing talk gets a 1.4 rating 12+ on WWKB with its 50 kw signal.
Wouldn't you think that Entercom would switch the programming between the
two stations since they own both?  Is WWKB that directional that they would
lose audience?  I do note that WWKB's rating is up 0.4 over this time last
year.


-Some station owners are saying "we don't want to have to run liberal talk
because our ratings will suffer". Then libtalkers, do some good shows;
program directors, give them a shot. But I don't want "We're From The
Government And We're Here To Help You" to regulate program content.
Freedom of speech/freedom of the press, even on "the public's airwaves".

 


From scott@fybush.com  Fri Nov 21 14:30:18 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:30:18 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <C65002947D9446C79368D7AB2B1FB3F7@CurleyJoe>
References: <20081121180434.AE6F4CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> I've always wondered about the situation in Buffalo, NY (Entercom country).
> The right-wing talk gets an 11 rating 12+ on WBEN with its 5 kw signal, and
> the left-wing talk gets a 1.4 rating 12+ on WWKB with its 50 kw signal.
> Wouldn't you think that Entercom would switch the programming between the
> two stations since they own both?  Is WWKB that directional that they would
> lose audience?  I do note that WWKB's rating is up 0.4 over this time last
> year.

Within the market, WBEN is by far the superior signal. 5kw from fat 
towers in the heart of the market, with a favorable pattern that has no 
significant nulls.

KB covers the market, too, but it starts getting beaten up by 
skywave/groundwave cancellation pretty close in at sunset, not to 
mention that killer 1 kHz het from the multi-megawatt 1521 in Saudi 
Arabia. And its null against Oklahoma City cuts out the southwestern 
corner of the market, along the lake beyond Hamburg.

The same question cropped up some years back with respect to Entercom's 
other big AM in Buffalo, WGR - its 5 kW DA-N on 550, from a site shared 
with KB, is just as good at night and significantly better by day than 
50 kW up in the low shortwaves.

Also, WBEN is the cash cow in the AM cluster there - the sense is that 
they don't WANT the ratings on KB to go much above fractional lest they 
cut into WBEN's listenership too much. Hence the utter lack of service 
elements (local news, traffic, etc) on 1520. It's purely a flanker to 
keep anyone else from using the signal to threaten WBEN and WGR.

s

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov 21 14:30:40 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:30:40 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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At 12:14 PM -0500 11/21/08, Bob Nelson wrote:
>
>It's important that the local issues get discussed rather than just 
>"turning on
>the bird" to save money. And, oh, what's this? A Boston city councillor has
>also been ensnared in a bribery scandal?

And I'm not tuning in, I'm sure all I'de hear is a bunch of 
self-righteous callers condemning not only the alleged perpetrator, 
but all "politicians" in general.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov 21 14:34:14 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:34:14 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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At 12:36 PM -0500 11/21/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>If Santos's program lasts past 13 weeks, or maybe 26 (I'm not counting
>on its longevity), I suspect that he will try for national
>syndication. Isn't Peter B Collins tied in with Nova M?

The Nova M web page http://www.novamradio.com/live/ only lists Mike 
Malloy and Randi Rhodes.
-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 14:39:39 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:39:39 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Problem is Howie is limited in how much Boston only talk he can do as
nobody cares in Maine, Vermont or Montreal.

Finnerian would be perfect in the evening on WRKO and could take aim at WBZ.

Big problem today is most under 30 would rather surf the blogs than
listen to talk. Universal Hub does this better than anyone.

I honestly believe Rush hurts RKO more than he helps because his
agenda turns off 80 percent of listeners in this market.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 14:47:20 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:47:20 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Scott

Wouldn't it be more prudent to flip WWKB with WGR?

Of for that matter flip WBEN with WGR.

Years ago I was shocked that in WNY WKBW had trouble competing with
tiny WYSL (1400) and then WYSL morphed into WPHD. KB didn't have an FM
option so it slowly died.

From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 14:47:28 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:47:28 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Scott Fybush wrote:
> not to mention that killer 1 kHz het from the multi-megawatt 1521 in 
> Saudi Arabia. //

What's the deal with that?!

Bill O'
//

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 14:55:37 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:55:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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The problem with Finneran (or any live local host) in the evening is Red Sox preemptions (and the occasional BC football or basketball game in the winter). That and the problem of getting 680 in after dark in the western suburbs.


      

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 14:58:56 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:58:56 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>It's important that the local issues get discussed rather than just
>>"turning on
>>the bird" to save money. And, oh, what's this? A Boston city councillor 
>>has
>>also been ensnared in a bribery scandal?
>
> And I'm not tuning in, I'm sure all I'de hear is a bunch of self-righteous 
> callers condemning not only the alleged perpetrator...

As they should...

> but all "politicians" in general.

Many more than we ever thought!


From scott@fybush.com  Fri Nov 21 15:15:02 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:15:02 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Scott
> 
> Wouldn't it be more prudent to flip WWKB with WGR?
> 
> Of for that matter flip WBEN with WGR.

Nope. They've got their two strongest formats (sports and conservative 
talk/local news) on their two best signals. I wouldn't change a thing if 
I were in their shoes.

WGR is, in many ways, the WEEI of the market - but its signal on 550 
covers the market much better than WEEI's 850 does in Boston.

> Years ago I was shocked that in WNY WKBW had trouble competing with
> tiny WYSL (1400) and then WYSL morphed into WPHD. KB didn't have an FM
> option so it slowly died.

There were a lot of markets where top-40 thrived on pipsqueak AM signals 
- KRIZ on 1230 in Phoenix, WYSL on 1400 in Buffalo, WOLF on 1490 in 
Syracuse, WBBF on 950 (1 kW DA-2) here in Rochester, to name a few. 
Their content was so strong, the listeners would find it in spite of the 
miserable signals. (And, oftentimes, the old-line broadcasting companies 
that owned the bigger signals didn't want to put that loud rock'n'roll 
on their AMs.)

s




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 15:14:29 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>> The problem with Finneran (or any live local host) in the evening is Red 
>> Sox preemptions (and the occasional BC football or basketball game in the 
>> winter).
>>That and the problem of getting 680 in after dark in the western suburbs.

Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one time for 
their great signal.

50 Big Cookies!  ...as Jerry Williams would say.

In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.

Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, but hosts as 
well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.



From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:22:52 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:22:52 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Memo to Julie and Jason

Put the Red Sox back on WEEI where they belong with overflow from the
Celtics to WRKO.

WCRN solved the nightime Metro West issues anyways so there is no real
need to move the Sox to WRKO. It will be curious to see if WCRN gets a
bump with PPM as I suspect some diary people write in RKO or EEI even
though they listen on 830.

This whole nutty idea of having the Sox on 2 stations never made any
sense especially with the Wednesday night switches.



On 11/21/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The problem with Finneran (or any live local host) in the evening is Red Sox
> preemptions (and the occasional BC football or basketball game in the
> winter). That and the problem of getting 680 in after dark in the western
> suburbs.
>
>
>
>

From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:31:23 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:31:23 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Don A wrote:
> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, but 
> hosts as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.
Do you remember the days when it was poor form (and career limiting) to 
complain on the air about the station that cuts you a paycheck?  It 
still boggles the mind to hear Carr (via WVMT) inviting Boston area 
listeners to switch over to 830. Has a nice middle market ring to it.

Bill O'Neill

From scott@fybush.com  Fri Nov 21 15:36:26 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:36:26 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Don A wrote:
> 
>>> The problem with Finneran (or any live local host) in the evening is 
>>> Red Sox preemptions (and the occasional BC football or basketball 
>>> game in the winter).
>>> That and the problem of getting 680 in after dark in the western 
>>> suburbs.
> 
> Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one time 
> for their great signal.
> 
> 50 Big Cookies!  ...as Jerry Williams would say.
> 
> In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.
> 
> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, but hosts 
> as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.

It's still the same signal it was in 1953 - but the market it's trying 
to cover has changed rather dramatically.

I'm pretty sure the advertisers in 1960 or even 1970 didn't care much 
about reaching Westborough or Ashland.

s

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:37:18 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:37:18 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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The top of the hour ID on WGR must shake up Bostonians passing thru WNY. :)

Other Top 40 outlets that thrived with a weaker signal
WMCA NYC
WTXL West Springfield
WAAB Worcester
WKBR Manchester
WICE Providence
CKFH Toronto
CFOX Montreal
In Maine there was a station in Westbrook that gave WLOB fits as well.

and of course WMEX which like WMCA would switch to talk when teens
went to bed and got the best of both worlds.

Supposedly Jerry had a 60 share on WMEX at night which was astounding
given the signal. I remember my Mom remarking that Jerry came in much
better on WBBM in Cambridge and she continued to listen every night
until he moved to days.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:39:34 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:39:34 -0600
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JJ Jeffrey used to say at pattern change see you tomorrow Framingham.

On 11/21/08, Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don A wrote:
>> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, but
>> hosts as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.
> Do you remember the days when it was poor form (and career limiting) to
> complain on the air about the station that cuts you a paycheck?  It
> still boggles the mind to hear Carr (via WVMT) inviting Boston area
> listeners to switch over to 830. Has a nice middle market ring to it.
>
> Bill O'Neill
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 15:45:55 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:45:55 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>>> The problem with Finneran (or any live local host) in the evening is
>>>> Red Sox preemptions (and the occasional BC football or basketball game 
>>>> in the winter).
>>>> That and the problem of getting 680 in after dark in the western 
>>>> suburbs.
>>
>> Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one time 
>> for their great signal.
>>
>> 50 Big Cookies!  ...as Jerry Williams would say.
>>
>> In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.
>>
>> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, but hosts 
>> as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.
>
> It's still the same signal it was in 1953 - but the market it's trying to 
> cover has changed rather dramatically.

Has the market changed...or has people's expectations.

I remember occaisionally watching a snowy tv channel...because I wanted to 
see the movie that was on.

Or scratchy WMEX to listen to AT 40.

Who would put up with that today? 


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:47:10 2008
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:47:10 -0500
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Well, Howie does complain about WRKO and Entercom  but in the "tune to
830" case, he's
simply saying that since WRKO's signal loses a lot of listeners after
sunset, this is a way
they can continue to hear him. WCRN also helps during the Sox season
as they may fill
in some "holes".

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:49:30 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:49:30 -0600
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Entercom bends the rules nicely with WCRN. It guarantees Howie can be
heard in Metro-West, Red Sox hole is covered etc.

WVEI gets the Red Sox covered to Sturbridge and then WVEI-FM picks up the slack.

Of course WEEI-FM also fills the Metro-West null nicely.

Bottom line put the Sox back on WEEI.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:58:35 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:58:35 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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oops-so much for WWZN having two _local_ progtalk shows. A revised post on
http://www.bostonradiowatch.com says the Peter Collins show is based in
San Francisco and is currently part of a West Coast network.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:17:27 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:17:27 -0600
Subject: What the public will tolerate :was The importance of local talk radio
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People today would never watch a snowy or ghosted channel.

Today you can have an unwatchable signal in analog and yet perfect in DT.

Of course it still doesn't help my buddy who owns a bar in Chicago who
can not get anything on WBBM-TV even though he has a clear shot at the
Hancock. He even gets 6DT out of Milwaukee crystal clear.

He is at most 4 air miles from the Hancock...how can WBBM-DT have such
a horrible signal?

He is frustrated by the obscene charges DirecTV wants for HD service
in a bar. He pays nearly 2500 a year just to get NESN, CSN and
Patriots yet they still want him to pay 800 for 4 HD tuners and 60 a
month for HD service. He only has 48 seats so it just isn't worth it.

From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:23:05 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:23:05 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
Message-ID: <20081121202305.2B1E132675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cohasset / Hippisley" 
>To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: Re: Sirius XM stock tanking
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:33:05 -0500

>On Nov 20, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> The XM 60's channel hasn't done anything new in 3
> [y]ears....


>C'mon, how can you say that? They added the Chickenman Series reruns....

Since the idea behind satellite radio is its ubiquity, that is, tunability
throughout the continental USA, then it's literally true: "Chickenman is
EVERYWHERE, he's EVERYWHERE" at long last!


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From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:56:32 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:56:32 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
Message-ID: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: "Don A" 
>Cc: "Boston Radio Group" 
>Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:36:26 -0500

>
> Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one 
> time for their great signal.
>
> 50 Big Cookies! ...as Jerry Williams would say.
>
> In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.
>
> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks, 
> but hosts as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.

>It's still the same signal it was in 1953 - but the market it's 
>trying to cover has changed rather dramatically.
>I'm pretty sure the advertisers in 1960 or even 1970 didn't care 
>much about reaching Westborough or Ashland.
>s

On one occasion when I was a guest on "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob 
Bitner mentioned (before we started taping) that he once owned a
map of Metro Boston showing the population density of the landscape.
The color code showed that an OVERWHELMING percentage of the denizens
of Greater Boston lived close to the coast.  Boston's population at the 
time was just over 800,000, and Cambridge and Somerville had 100,000 +
residents each.  That why WEEI 590, WNAC 680, WHDH 850, WCOP 1150, 
WVDA 1260 and WMEX 1510 (the major full-time signals at the time) 
seemingly cared only about hitting this area.  I often wondered about
what  the owners and managers of businesses that advertised on Boston stations
thought, when, if they lived in the western suburbs, a reasonable 
assumption since such people would have been affluent enough to live in Wellesley,
Dover, Westwood and so forth, after they realized these signals were hard to get where 
they lived!  The sales reps must have used maps like the one described above 
to assure these people that their messages were reaching the intended population
centers.



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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Nov 21 16:33:16 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:33:16 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205838.325BA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4E4F917AD752431482F0B2551A80597D@SatU205S5044>

I thought he was based in San Diego. At least I think that he was on
KLSD before it flipped from Progressive talk. And I don't think he was
on KQKE. Of course, in this era, that doesn't say that he was living
in or around San Diego. He could just as easily have been living in
the Bay area.

-----
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@gmail.com>; "Bill O'Neill"
<billohno@gmail.com>
Cc: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>; "Boston Radio Group"
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


oops-so much for WWZN having two _local_ progtalk shows. A revised
post on
http://www.bostonradiowatch.com says the Peter Collins show is based
in
San Francisco and is currently part of a West Coast network.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:35:18 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:35:18 -0600
Subject: What the public will tolerate :was The importance of local talk
	radio
In-Reply-To: <18727.9849.859255.926790@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4fc429770811211317t44931915paa6d22c4275dd673@mail.gmail.com>
	<18727.9849.859255.926790@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211335w4021ae63w92a36ea79d5d8e8e@mail.gmail.com>

If he was a residential customer they would upgrade his tuners for
free. He has no need for a DVR in a bar yet that is what they want.

He has no issue with paying the commercial rate for the sports
packages or even the 60 a month for HD service.

He knows most bars in his area cheat the system by saying they are
residential but he an honest Irish guy from Randolph. Another Boston
themed bar uses a Massachusetts address and gets the Boston local
channels.

He caters to Bostonians and even broadcasts Ordway during the
afternoon on house sound.

They still are talking about a visit by Mike Adams last summer to the bar. :)

On 11/21/08, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> <<On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:17:27 -0600, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Of course it still doesn't help my buddy who owns a bar in Chicago who
>> can not get anything on WBBM-TV even though he has a clear shot at the
>> Hancock. He even gets 6DT out of Milwaukee crystal clear.
>
>> He is at most 4 air miles from the Hancock...how can WBBM-DT have such
>> a horrible signal?
>
> It's on channel 3.
>
> The post-transition channel 11 signal will be much better.
>
>> He is frustrated by the obscene charges DirecTV wants for HD service
>> in a bar. He pays nearly 2500 a year just to get NESN, CSN and
>> Patriots yet they still want him to pay 800 for 4 HD tuners and 60 a
>> month for HD service. He only has 48 seats so it just isn't worth it.
>
> There are obviously bars who will pay that much.  What's obscene about
> it?  Seems pretty reasonable to me.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 15:41:48 2008
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:41:48 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0811211241j6d33461yad6274ae11591295@mail.gmail.com>

Though he does have regular callers "Josh From Vermont" and "Steve From
Montreal"...of course they usually call during the national politics hours.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Problem is Howie is limited in how much Boston only talk he can do as
> nobody cares in Maine, Vermont or Montreal.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:56:33 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:56:33 -0600
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall at some point around 1970 or so the narrator of
Chickenman (Jim Runyon) worked at WHDH and I think came on after Jess
and was replaced by Stan Roberts who was best known in Buffalo.

I am 85.0 percent positive Runyon worked at WHDH but his wiki only
mentions Cleveland and Chicago.

Runyon died in 1973 so it was before the switch to soft Top 40.

This ring a bell with anyone?

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov 21 17:18:59 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:18:59 -0500
Subject: Sirius XM stock tanking
In-Reply-To: <20081121202305.2B1E132675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081121202305.2B1E132675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c54ce424ef80@[192.168.0.100]>

At 3:23 PM -0500 11/21/08, Laurence Glavin wrote:

>Since the idea behind satellite radio is its ubiquity, that is, tunability
>throughout the continental USA, then it's literally true: "Chickenman is
>EVERYWHERE, he's EVERYWHERE" at long last!

If he's only in the continental US, how is he everywhere?

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Fri Nov 21 17:25:27 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:25:27 -0500
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>

Graham Junior College Class of 1969 class project was to produce a 
documentary and chose Chickenman.  They had some episodes on vinyl and 
it is noted that Jim Runyon was at WHDH.  They garnered a telephone 
interview with Jim Runyon at his home.

For more details & an audio clip: 

http://grahm.northeastairchecks.com/



Kevin Vahey wrote:
> I seem to recall at some point around 1970 or so the narrator of
> Chickenman (Jim Runyon) worked at WHDH and I think came on after Jess
> and was replaced by Stan Roberts who was best known in Buffalo.
>   

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Nov 21 17:55:04 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:55:04 -0500
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63BBD9D14157465AB0E9FF2F88C1F85B@DougDrown>

You are absolutely correct.  I remember "Chickenman" very well, and I 
remember Jim Runyon working the 10 AM shift at WHDH after doing the 
"Chickenman" recordings.  (I'm not sure whether he was at KYW/WKYC or WCFL 
when he did them.  It was in the late '60s.  I used to hear the segments on 
WPTR.)
Runyon wasn't at WHDH all that long, I don't believe --- maybe a year or 
two.   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?


>I seem to recall at some point around 1970 or so the narrator of
> Chickenman (Jim Runyon) worked at WHDH and I think came on after Jess
> and was replaced by Stan Roberts who was best known in Buffalo.
>
> I am 85.0 percent positive Runyon worked at WHDH but his wiki only
> mentions Cleveland and Chicago.
>
> Runyon died in 1973 so it was before the switch to soft Top 40.
>
> This ring a bell with anyone? 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Nov 21 18:03:25 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:25 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>

In my home area (Gardner-Fitchburg), WBZ has always had, by far, the 
dominant AM signal from Boston.
When I was a kid growing up in the '60s, WNAC came in reasonably well during 
the day, but no one listened to it.  Then came 1967 and the big call 
letter-and-format switch.  It was as though 680 had never before existed and 
suddenly everyone discovered it.  WRKO blew 'BZ out of the water in a matter 
of weeks.

. . . But, forty years later, you still can't get it after dark in 
Fitchburg!

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>; "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush"
>To: "Don A"
>Cc: "Boston Radio Group"
>Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:36:26 -0500

>
> Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one
> time for their great signal.
>
> 50 Big Cookies! ...as Jerry Williams would say.
>
> In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.
>
> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks,
> but hosts as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.

>It's still the same signal it was in 1953 - but the market it's
>trying to cover has changed rather dramatically.
>I'm pretty sure the advertisers in 1960 or even 1970 didn't care
>much about reaching Westborough or Ashland.
>s

On one occasion when I was a guest on "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob
Bitner mentioned (before we started taping) that he once owned a
map of Metro Boston showing the population density of the landscape.
The color code showed that an OVERWHELMING percentage of the denizens
of Greater Boston lived close to the coast.  Boston's population at the
time was just over 800,000, and Cambridge and Somerville had 100,000 +
residents each.  That why WEEI 590, WNAC 680, WHDH 850, WCOP 1150,
WVDA 1260 and WMEX 1510 (the major full-time signals at the time)
seemingly cared only about hitting this area.  I often wondered about
what  the owners and managers of businesses that advertised on Boston 
stations
thought, when, if they lived in the western suburbs, a reasonable
assumption since such people would have been affluent enough to live in 
Wellesley,
Dover, Westwood and so forth, after they realized these signals were hard to 
get where
they lived!  The sales reps must have used maps like the one described above
to assure these people that their messages were reaching the intended 
population
centers.



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From francini@mac.com  Fri Nov 21 17:35:12 2008
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <17C2ACAC-432F-4894-A6B6-7772C0E14FBB@mac.com>

I remember Chicken Man!  And Jim Runyon, too.  Good pipes.  Being  
completely ignorant of the Beatles at that age (I was 10 or so), I had  
no idea until years later that his sign-off was an instrumental  
version of Ringo Starr's "This Boy".

"A Runyon Named Jim".

j

On 21 Nov 2008, at 17:25, Roger Kirk wrote:

> Graham Junior College Class of 1969 class project was to produce a  
> documentary and chose Chickenman.  They had some episodes on vinyl  
> and it is noted that Jim Runyon was at WHDH.  They garnered a  
> telephone interview with Jim Runyon at his home.
>
> For more details & an audio clip:
> http://grahm.northeastairchecks.com/
>
>
>
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> I seem to recall at some point around 1970 or so the narrator of
>> Chickenman (Jim Runyon) worked at WHDH and I think came on after Jess
>> and was replaced by Stan Roberts who was best known in Buffalo.
>>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 17:45:07 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:45:07 -0600
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211445h62e9fa9dj7537ca030a823c22@mail.gmail.com>

Weeeeeeeeeeellllllll  I still have a memory.

BTW did any school take over Grahms school records? I remember when it
was Cambridge School of Broadcasting.



On 11/21/08, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> wrote:
> Graham Junior College Class of 1969 class project was to produce a
> documentary and chose Chickenman.  They had some episodes on vinyl and
> it is noted that Jim Runyon was at WHDH.  They garnered a telephone
> interview with Jim Runyon at his home.
>
> For more details & an audio clip:
>
> http://grahm.northeastairchecks.com/
>
>
>
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> I seem to recall at some point around 1970 or so the narrator of
>> Chickenman (Jim Runyon) worked at WHDH and I think came on after Jess
>> and was replaced by Stan Roberts who was best known in Buffalo.
>>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:27:43 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:27:43 -0600
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <17C2ACAC-432F-4894-A6B6-7772C0E14FBB@mac.com>
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
	<17C2ACAC-432F-4894-A6B6-7772C0E14FBB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211527s55fcde86k43ad1afd2e763800@mail.gmail.com>

I first heard Chickenman on WKBW. The late Rod Roddy used to play it
on his Sunday night show.

(Yes the same Rod Roddy that was on the Price is Right)

WHDH picked up the second batch that was done after Runyon died. Sean
Casey ran it in afternoon drive.

From Cdsull502@aol.com  Fri Nov 21 18:39:38 2008
From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:39:38 EST
Subject: Jim Runyon
Message-ID: <c0a.4d23edc9.3658a0ba@aol.com>

 
Jim Runyon replaced Fred B. Cole at WHDH in January of  1967.   I don't know 
for sure how long he was there, but I think  he went back to Cleveland in the 
fall of 1969. 

 
Chris  Sullivan
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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Fri Nov 21 19:22:48 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:22:48 -0500
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211445h62e9fa9dj7537ca030a823c22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811211356p7bc0c23dr9c5957436d38d3d8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<49273557.3030308@ttlc.net>
	<4fc429770811211445h62e9fa9dj7537ca030a823c22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492750D8.30605@ttlc.net>



Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Weeeeeeeeeeellllllll  I still have a memory.
>
> BTW did any school take over Grahms school records? I remember when it
> was Cambridge School of Broadcasting.
>
>   
Allegedly, Grahm Junior College went bankrupt in '79 and was taken over 
by Newbury College and operated in a different location until '86.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:24:50 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:24:50 -0600
Subject: Jim Runyon
In-Reply-To: <c0a.4d23edc9.3658a0ba@aol.com>
References: <c0a.4d23edc9.3658a0ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211624g3539de7en1dd3b7f88125e565@mail.gmail.com>

Scott most likely knows but I am pretty certain Stan Roberts from KB
replaced Runyon and then went back to WGR.

There was a lot of talent during WHDH's MOR days but those of us who
are geezers were all listening to Top 40.

Listen to old HDH clips of Bob and Ray and they were hysterical.

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Fri Nov 21 19:35:11 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:35:11 -0500
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
Message-ID: <492753BF.8070602@ttlc.net>

Kevin Vahey wrote:

> BTW did any school take over Grahms school records? I remember when it
> was Cambridge School of Broadcasting.
According to NEASC:

*GRAHM** JUNIOR COLLEGE
*Boston, MA
Candidacy granted: April 1970 Initial accreditation: October 1973 
Accreditation terminated: June 1979 Records held: Newbury College
129 Fisher Ave
Brookline, MA 02446 617-730-7000




From sid@wrko.com  Fri Nov 21 15:37:48 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:37:48 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com>
	<994859.46351.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>It will be curious to see if WCRN gets a
bump with PPM as I suspect some diary people write in RKO or EEI even
though they listen on 830.<<

Worcester is not converting to PPM.

From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 20:02:07 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:02:07 -0500
Subject: Jim Runyon
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211624g3539de7en1dd3b7f88125e565@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c0a.4d23edc9.3658a0ba@aol.com>
	<4fc429770811211624g3539de7en1dd3b7f88125e565@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49275A0F.6060308@gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Listen to old HDH clips of Bob and Ray and they were hysterical.
>   
<harp sfx> I recall hearing the tape of a Bob & Ray bit that went like 
this (and I bet this list's archives shows that I mentioned this before 
but aging makes one repeat oneself repeat oneself.)

It's time to play "You give us the answer and I'll give you the 
question."  They went though a few funny one liners when Ray stopped and 
said to Bob, "Hey, you're on a roll" and Bob jumped back, "Why is there 
butter on my pants?"

Bill O'Neill

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 20:16:11 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:16:11 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com>
	<994859.46351.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811211716k19cc80a8o39c0d0a67c710ddd@mail.gmail.com>

Could WCRN request the encoding equipment necessary because the signal
does cover a good chunk of Boston.

How will PPM handle somebody with a meter in Framingham listening to 830?



On 11/21/08, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> wrote:
>>>It will be curious to see if WCRN gets a
> bump with PPM as I suspect some diary people write in RKO or EEI even
> though they listen on 830.<<
>
> Worcester is not converting to PPM.
>

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Fri Nov 21 20:43:55 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:43:55 EST
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection? 
Message-ID: <c8c.3061433b.3658bddb@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/21/2008 8:26:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>>BTW did any school take over Grahms school records? I  remember when it
was Cambridge School of  Broadcasting.<<<<<
 
I got a copy of my transcripts from Grahm at Mt Ida College. You pay aone  
time fee of $20 and they will send you as many copies as you like.
 
Mike
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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Nov 21 20:57:20 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:57:20 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
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If you look into it, though, I think you will find that, almost
coincident with the call letter and format flips, WNAC/WRKO changed
its day pattern. It had been DA-1 with the same pattern that WLAW had
used full-time before RKO-General bought the 680 license. It became
DA-2 with different day and night patterns. The new day pattern (still
in use) has a minor lobe to the west-southwest (equivalent to maybe 8
kW ND if memory serves), which greatly improved the daytime signal in
what is now known as MetroWest and should also have made a noticeable
improvement back then in daytime reception in Fitchburg and
Leominster.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>; "Scott Fybush"
<scott@fybush.com>; "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> In my home area (Gardner-Fitchburg), WBZ has always had, by far, the
> dominant AM signal from Boston.
> When I was a kid growing up in the '60s, WNAC came in reasonably
> well during the day, but no one listened to it.  Then came 1967 and
> the big call letter-and-format switch.  It was as though 680 had
> never before existed and suddenly everyone discovered it.  WRKO blew
> 'BZ out of the water in a matter of weeks.
>
> . . . But, forty years later, you still can't get it after dark in
> Fitchburg!
>
> -Doug
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
> To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>; "Don A"
> <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott Fybush"
>>To: "Don A"
>>Cc: "Boston Radio Group"
>>Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:36:26 -0500
>
>>
>> Old timers like me rememver when WNAC and WRKO were touted at one
>> time for their great signal.
>>
>> 50 Big Cookies! ...as Jerry Williams would say.
>>
>> In my opinion, it is the 2nd best signal on the AM dial.
>>
>> Now, it seems, all I hear are people (not only us radio geeks,
>> but hosts as well!) complain about the holes in WRKO's signal.
>
>>It's still the same signal it was in 1953 - but the market it's
>>trying to cover has changed rather dramatically.
>>I'm pretty sure the advertisers in 1960 or even 1970 didn't care
>>much about reaching Westborough or Ashland.
>>s
>
> On one occasion when I was a guest on "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob
> Bitner mentioned (before we started taping) that he once owned a
> map of Metro Boston showing the population density of the landscape.
> The color code showed that an OVERWHELMING percentage of the
> denizens
> of Greater Boston lived close to the coast.  Boston's population at
> the
> time was just over 800,000, and Cambridge and Somerville had 100,000
> +
> residents each.  That why WEEI 590, WNAC 680, WHDH 850, WCOP 1150,
> WVDA 1260 and WMEX 1510 (the major full-time signals at the time)
> seemingly cared only about hitting this area.  I often wondered
> about
> what  the owners and managers of businesses that advertised on
> Boston stations
> thought, when, if they lived in the western suburbs, a reasonable
> assumption since such people would have been affluent enough to live
> in Wellesley,
> Dover, Westwood and so forth, after they realized these signals were
> hard to get where
> they lived!  The sales reps must have used maps like the one
> described above
> to assure these people that their messages were reaching the
> intended population
> centers.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Be Yourself @ mail.com!
> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses
> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com
>


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov 21 21:09:15 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4E4F917AD752431482F0B2551A80597D@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081121205838.325BA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4E4F917AD752431482F0B2551A80597D@SatU205S5044>
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At 04:33 PM 11/21/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>I thought he was based in San Diego. At least I think that he was on
>KLSD before it flipped from Progressive talk. And I don't think he was
>on KQKE. Of course, in this era, that doesn't say that he was living
>in or around San Diego. He could just as easily have been living in
>the Bay area.

I was at a seminar with Peter B a couple of months ago.  His show is 
indeed based on the west coast, but I forget the city-- it's 
definitely in California.  He and Jon Elliott were supposed to be 
involved in buying (or leasing?) a couple of stations. 


From sid@wrko.com  Fri Nov 21 21:18:24 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:18:24 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811211716k19cc80a8o39c0d0a67c710ddd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com>
	<994859.46351.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<4fc429770811211716k19cc80a8o39c0d0a67c710ddd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECDE8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Could WCRN request the encoding equipment necessary because the signal
does cover a good chunk of Boston.<<

Not 100% sure, but I'd have to guess that if they buy into the Boston "book," they'd get encoding equipment.

>>How will PPM handle somebody with a meter in Framingham listening to 830?<<

The PPM will not record and report to Arbitron listening to unencoded stations, and at that point it's probably up to the station as to whether or not they place any value on having data from the Boston metro.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov 21 21:35:56 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:35:56 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECDE8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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	<4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECDE8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <18727.28684.242209.269362@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:18:24 -0500, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> The PPM will not record and report to Arbitron listening to
> unencoded stations, and at that point it's probably up to the
> station as to whether or not they place any value on having data
> from the Boston metro.

So when did Worcester get split back out as a separate market?

-GAWollman

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Nov 21 23:51:24 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:51:24 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
Message-ID: <CD6CA9E52C7145B2BD15E68DF5F4BADE@DougDrown>

I hadn't known about the switch to DA-2 and the different pattern, but you're right; the daytime signal did improve considerably.  Didn't help at night, though.  Up in Ashburnham, where I lived, the only rock stations we 
kids could get at night were usually distant --- WABC, WPOP, WDRC, WPTR, WKBW et.al.   Even WEIM, which had a brief stint as a Top 40 station (and a 
pretty good one at that) during the late '60s - early '70s, didn't reach into our neck of the woods very well at night, nor did WORC or WAAB.

-Doug

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 01:27:37 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:27:37 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <ED69DAF1AF4D4308BC1311B1C5322FDA@MainXPPro>



>(re: WRKO) . . . But, forty years later, you still can't get it after dark 
>in Fitchburg!


That what WEIM, WFGL, WLMS, etc were for.   ;-)


In the Merrimack Valley, people couldn't get WMEX after dark, but they had 
WLLH as a secondary Top 40 station.

(....which we could tune to when WRKO was doing news.)


Most of these regional/local(?) stations served their areas pretty well.




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 01:29:34 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:29:34 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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> On 11/21/08, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> wrote:
>>>>It will be curious to see if WCRN gets a
>> bump with PPM as I suspect some diary people write in RKO or EEI even
>> though they listen on 830.<<
>>
>> Worcester is not converting to PPM.


Ever...?


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov 22 07:22:25 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:22:25 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
	<ED69DAF1AF4D4308BC1311B1C5322FDA@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <A53ECE81902C417CBDE7B1C0D1F3C45B@SatU205S5044>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Laurence Glavin"
<lglavin@mail.com>; "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>>(re: WRKO) . . . But, forty years later, you still can't get it
>>after dark in Fitchburg!

------

Because no changes were made in the night pattern and changes to that
pattern that would have in any way improved the night signal in
Fitchburg and surrounding communities were apparently not permitted 40
years ago. In addition, such changes are not permitted under FCC rules
that have been in effect for at least 25 years. I'm speaking of the
so-called ratchet rule, which requires AM stations that make any
changes to their antenna systems to reduce interference to co- and
first-adjacent-channel stations. AFAIK, the FCC had to adopt the
ratchet rule because of a law passed by Congress.

About five years ago, when WCBM 680 in Baltimore purchased a 690
daytimer in VA and took it dark to enable an upgrade from 10 kW-D/5
kW-N DA-2 (four towers) to 50 kW-D/20 kW-N DA-2 (six towers at a new
site), it had to increase nighttime protections to WRKO. WCBM's new
patterns are much narrower than its old patterns, but in the center of
the main lobe, the new signals are a lot stronger and travel a lot
further than the old. Of course, the magnificent new six-tower array
is also quite a bit further west of Baltimore than was the old one, so
the (quite strong) signal in downtown Baltimore, may or may not be
improvement.

When WINR 680 in Binghamton NY increased its day power from 1 kW to 5
kW some years back, the station was able to let out its day pattern to
the east and thus provide new daytime service to a rather large but
sparsely populated area of the Catskills east of Binghamton. This
change was possible because it did not encroach on WRKO's protected
daytime service area. WINR did not change its 500W night pattern at
all, however.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367



From hykker@wildblue.net  Sat Nov 22 09:56:17 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:56:17 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <09F244631B4D4C99A7A130101C86BA11@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
	<09F244631B4D4C99A7A130101C86BA11@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <49281da3.6105be0a.4957.4345@mx.google.com>

At 08:57 PM 11/21/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>If you look into it, though, I think you will find that, almost
>coincident with the call letter and format flips, WNAC/WRKO changed
>its day pattern. It had been DA-1 with the same pattern that WLAW had
>used full-time before RKO-General bought the 680 license. It became
>DA-2 with different day and night patterns. The new day pattern (still
>in use) has a minor lobe to the west-southwest (equivalent to maybe 8
>kW ND if memory serves), which greatly improved the daytime signal in
>what is now known as MetroWest and should also have made a noticeable
>improvement back then in daytime reception in Fitchburg and
>Leominster.

In the early 70s I worked in Littleton (Mass.), and WRKO had a pretty 
good daytime signal there.  As you said, once they switched to their 
night pattern, they were gone.  In those days when AM was king, there 
wasn't much else that was listenable after dark.



>  Doug Drown wrote:
>
>  Even WEIM, which had a brief stint as a Top 40 station (and a
>pretty good one at that) during the late '60s - early '70s, didn't 
>reach into our neck of the woods very well at night, nor did WORC or WAAB.



WEIM was Top 40 into the late 70s anyway, I have a handful of surveys 
from them, mostly from the summer of '77 and they were definitely top 40 then.


At 01:27 AM 11/22/2008, Don A wrote:


>In the Merrimack Valley, people couldn't get WMEX after dark, but 
>they had WLLH as a secondary Top 40 station.


I would imagine that WFEA also had a pretty good signal too (at least 
in Nashua & Lowell) since their pattern at the time was a fairly 
tight N-S figure 8.


From sid@wrko.com  Sat Nov 22 12:12:38 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:12:38 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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>>So when did Worcester get split back out as a separate market?<<

Well, they are and they aren't.  I'm still not straight on all the details (par for the course where Arbitron is concerned), but we still get a separate set of ratings and qualitative data twice a year for Worcester.

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Nov 22 12:14:24 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:14:24 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <D77CA45C6B534F0FBBFBDCD8ACECF5C5@MainXPPro>
References: <20081121171459.12B0483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770811211139o1b85d508j3d883e38e58af77e@mail.gmail.com><994859.46351.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770811211222k11b3bd9fp4d6c139def42748b@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C03AECBE2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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>> Worcester is not converting to PPM.

Ever...?<<

Arbitron has no announced plans to roll out PPM beyond market #50.  If they have any such plans at all, they're doing their best to keep it secret.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 12:37:54 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:37:54 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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I just looked at the Arbitron Fall 2008 market rankings and Worcester
is ranked in the low 100's roughly the same as New Haven.

Boston is back to 10 as Detroit has dropped to 11.

Some quirks. Portsmouth is considered a larger market than both
Portland and Manchester. ( Lewiston-Auburn is a separate market and
Concord-Laconia as well )

From audiskman@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 16:55:28 2008
From: audiskman@yahoo.com (Matt S.)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:55:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
In-Reply-To: <492753BF.8070602@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <235299.38458.qm@web62008.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

When I needed to "prove" I went there when applying for a job once I had to get the transcripts from Mt Ida College in Newton. They hold those records now.


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> wrote:

> From: Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net>
> Subject: Re: Chickenman Boston connection?
> To: bri@bostonradio.org
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 7:35 PM
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
> 
> > BTW did any school take over Grahms school records? I
> remember when it
> > was Cambridge School of Broadcasting.
> According to NEASC:
> 
> *GRAHM** JUNIOR COLLEGE
> *Boston, MA
> Candidacy granted: April 1970 Initial accreditation:
> October 1973 Accreditation terminated: June 1979 Records
> held: Newbury College
> 129 Fisher Ave
> Brookline, MA 02446 617-730-7000


      

From bill.smith@comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 18:43:31 2008
From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:43:31 -0500
Subject: Subject: Chickenman Boston connection?
Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20811221543o1ae32411r98a9b31b6627378a@mail.gmail.com>

Runyon was indeed at WHDH and referred to his program as "The Runyon Room."
 I heard him because in my house we would listen to Noon-time Extra, "with
your complete WHDH big-league sports report."  Which, of course, was not to
be confused with Morning Extra, Breakfast Extra, Evening Extra or Late Night
Extra.  All with "your complete WHDH big-league sports report."  My favorite
part was Joe 'See Ya A Little Later" Kelly with the egg and produce prices.
  Didn't know anything about commodities, but he sure could talk fast.

From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Nov 23 19:22:07 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:22:07 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
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Don A wrote:

> In the Merrimack Valley, people couldn't get WMEX after dark, but they had 
> WLLH as a secondary Top 40 station.

  WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm sure many 
Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their top 40 fix back in 
the day. WLLH was a great sounding top 40 for a smaller market, with lots of 
great talent who went on to bigger places, a few names I recall from the 
70's: Kevin Carter, who used the air name Kevin Ryan went from WLLH to 
Fresno, and eventually to Radio & Records where today he is the CHR/Top 40 
column editor. Michael Burns, who used the air name Michael B. today is the 
overnight host at Magic 106.7 (a spot he's held for about 20 years now) and 
is also the host of "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on WKLB. Al Freeman, who 
was one of their news reporters (back when both WLLH & WCAP had fully 
staffed newsrooms) went on to the old Mutual Radio Network, not sure where 
he want after that. And Eric Marenghi, who used the air name Ben Franklin, 
went on to WSB in Atlanta and I believe a station in Chicago as well. He 
also was on the staff of the short lived WACQ 1150.

  These folks worked at WLLH in the 70's, when there were many smaller 
stations where talent such as the ones I've named could hone their skills 
and make the move to the bigger markets. Today most smaller market stations 
are either bird-fed or automated, and even major market opportunities aren't 
as plentiful as in the past as they too are relying more on voicetracking 
and/or longer shifts with existing staff. Just a sign of the times I 
suppose....

Mark Watson 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sun Nov 23 20:41:45 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:41:45 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
	<ED69DAF1AF4D4308BC1311B1C5322FDA@MainXPPro>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>

We of course couldn't get WLLH over in Ashburnham when I was growing up, but 
I used to listen to it on FM (now WCRB, I believe).  It was indeed a great 
little station, with as good a sound as some major market Top 40 
tations.  -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>; "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; 
"Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>; "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> Don A wrote:
>
>> In the Merrimack Valley, people couldn't get WMEX after dark, but they 
>> had WLLH as a secondary Top 40 station.
>
>  WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm sure 
> many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their top 40 fix 
> back in the day. WLLH was a great sounding top 40 for a smaller market, 
> with lots of great talent who went on to bigger places, a few names I 
> recall from the 70's: Kevin Carter, who used the air name Kevin Ryan went 
> from WLLH to Fresno, and eventually to Radio & Records where today he is 
> the CHR/Top 40 column editor. Michael Burns, who used the air name Michael 
> B. today is the overnight host at Magic 106.7 (a spot he's held for about 
> 20 years now) and is also the host of "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on 
> WKLB. Al Freeman, who was one of their news reporters (back when both WLLH 
> & WCAP had fully staffed newsrooms) went on to the old Mutual Radio 
> Network, not sure where he want after that. And Eric Marenghi, who used 
> the air name Ben Franklin, went on to WSB in Atlanta and I believe a 
> station in Chicago as well. He also was on the staff of the short lived 
> WACQ 1150.
>
>  These folks worked at WLLH in the 70's, when there were many smaller 
> stations where talent such as the ones I've named could hone their skills 
> and make the move to the bigger markets. Today most smaller market 
> stations are either bird-fed or automated, and even major market 
> opportunities aren't as plentiful as in the past as they too are relying 
> more on voicetracking and/or longer shifts with existing staff. Just a 
> sign of the times I suppose....
>
> Mark Watson 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 21:42:40 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:42:40 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<94B78B36156D4769B91E1257A1D23B5F@DougDrown>
	<ED69DAF1AF4D4308BC1311B1C5322FDA@MainXPPro>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811231842o338c031fue239bca8c3ffe625@mail.gmail.com>

I remember Jack Peterson at WLLH circa 1965 when I got a GE AM-FM for Christmas.

I was told years ago by Dick Booth (Donna is he still on planet?)that
WLLH-FM and the success of WORL going Top 40 made RKO General take the
plunge with WRKO-FM which then paved the way for WNAC to flip to WRKO.

WLLH-FM (simulcast) sounded to this 15 year old as good as WMEX.
Summer of 65 WORL also sounded good and broke new music quicker than
WMEX or WBZ. I don't know if Ken Carter owned WORL yet but as soon as
WRK0 came along they became WRYT.

One WORL jock I remember was Ron Rayburn who was quite good but I
never heard him again.

On 11/23/08, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
> We of course couldn't get WLLH over in Ashburnham when I was growing up, but
> I used to listen to it on FM (now WCRB, I believe).  It was indeed a great
> little station, with as good a sound as some major market Top 40
> tations.  -Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
> To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>; "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>;
> "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>; "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
> Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> Don A wrote:
>>
>>> In the Merrimack Valley, people couldn't get WMEX after dark, but they
>>> had WLLH as a secondary Top 40 station.
>>
>>  WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm sure
>> many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their top 40 fix
>> back in the day. WLLH was a great sounding top 40 for a smaller market,
>> with lots of great talent who went on to bigger places, a few names I
>> recall from the 70's: Kevin Carter, who used the air name Kevin Ryan went
>> from WLLH to Fresno, and eventually to Radio & Records where today he is
>> the CHR/Top 40 column editor. Michael Burns, who used the air name Michael
>>
>> B. today is the overnight host at Magic 106.7 (a spot he's held for about
>> 20 years now) and is also the host of "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on
>> WKLB. Al Freeman, who was one of their news reporters (back when both WLLH
>>
>> & WCAP had fully staffed newsrooms) went on to the old Mutual Radio
>> Network, not sure where he want after that. And Eric Marenghi, who used
>> the air name Ben Franklin, went on to WSB in Atlanta and I believe a
>> station in Chicago as well. He also was on the staff of the short lived
>> WACQ 1150.
>>
>>  These folks worked at WLLH in the 70's, when there were many smaller
>> stations where talent such as the ones I've named could hone their skills
>> and make the move to the bigger markets. Today most smaller market
>> stations are either bird-fed or automated, and even major market
>> opportunities aren't as plentiful as in the past as they too are relying
>> more on voicetracking and/or longer shifts with existing staff. Just a
>> sign of the times I suppose....
>>
>> Mark Watson
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov 23 22:48:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:48:18 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 23 Nov 2008 at 19:22, Mark Watson wrote:

>   WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm
> sure many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their
> top 40 fix back in the day. 

What I wonder about is why, in an earlier era, WLLH was a Yankee 
Network and Mutual affiliate when WNAC covered the area so well.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov 23 22:48:19 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:48:19 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811231842o338c031fue239bca8c3ffe625@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>,
	<4fc429770811231842o338c031fue239bca8c3ffe625@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4929DDB3.28546.ACBE2B@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 23 Nov 2008 at 20:42, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> I was told years ago by Dick Booth (Donna is he still on planet?)that
> WLLH-FM and the success of WORL going Top 40 made RKO General take the
> plunge with WRKO-FM which then paved the way for WNAC to flip to WRKO.

As I recall, the FCC's new rule requiring separate programs on AM-FM 
combos caused RKO General to try top-40 music on WRKO-FM.  They did 
this automated think called "Arcomatic," which was probably the 
cheapest thing they could get for the hours that they had to have 
separate programs.  Its ratings success apparently was a big surprise 
to them and stimulated the AM flip.
 
> WLLH-FM (simulcast) sounded to this 15 year old as good as WMEX.
> Summer of 65 WORL also sounded good and broke new music quicker than
> WMEX or WBZ. I don't know if Ken Carter owned WORL yet but as soon as
> WRK0 came along they became WRYT.

I never heard WORL as a top-40 station.  I think the only time I ever 
listened to them was somewhat earlier, when they had a children's 
program on Sunday morning, just after Children's Playhouse on WHDH.   

After WCOP flipped from top-40 in the summer of 1962, I generally 
relied on WKBR-FM from Manchester, simulcasting the AM, for top-40 
music in the evening.  WBZ was doing talk shows and WMEX reception in 
Bedford (Mass) was pretty bad.  I suppose I might have tried for WPTR 
or WKBW, but since I had an FM radio, I went with WKBR because it had 
a better and more reliable signal.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 24 08:35:12 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:35:12 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>

I remember that, the first time I visited Boston (summer of 1947,
IIRC), WLAW (licensed to Lawrence but covering Boston--though not
MetroWest by day--just as superbly as it does today) was an ABC
affiliate and so was WCOP 1150 (licensed to Boston). Even then, I was
a radio geek--although the term geek had not yet been coined, and I
wondered how many people in Boston listened to the ABC programming on
the better signal and how many listened on what was ostensibly the
local affiliate. Apparently, it was not all that uncommon back then
for people in some localities to be able to hear network programming
quite well on more than one station. I think the FCC rules in that day
prohibited two stations licensed to the same community from being
primary affiliates of the same radio network, but the rule said
nothing about stations whose coverage overlapped but were licensed to
different communities.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> On 23 Nov 2008 at 19:22, Mark Watson wrote:
>
>>   WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm
>> sure many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their
>> top 40 fix back in the day.
>
> What I wonder about is why, in an earlier era, WLLH was a Yankee
> Network and Mutual affiliate when WNAC covered the area so well.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 24 08:59:18 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:59:18 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>,
	<4fc429770811231842o338c031fue239bca8c3ffe625@mail.gmail.com>
	<4929DDB3.28546.ACBE2B@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <B3521A6366034B4096DF8F8456B27117@SatU205S5044>

I remember WORL in the summer of '56 with a lineup that consisted of
Gregg Finn in AM drive (with 15 minutes taken out from 6:15 to 6:30
for the Rosary with Cardinal Cushing), Stan Richards (9:00AM to noon),
Norm Tulin (noon to 2:00PM), and Dave Maynard (2:00PM to 6:00PM or
sign-off at sunset.) In the summer, newsguy Hank Elliott did a music
show from 6:00PM to sign-off. I would not call WORL a top-40, though;
I think it was what was then known as an MOR.

I don't remember who took over PM drive after Maynard left for WBZ.
The AM-drive newsguy was Len Libman (later known as Len Lawrence on
the old WEEI 590, WMEX, and others). I believe that while Len worked
at WORL he was a student at BU and his classes were just a short walk
from the radio station in Kenmore Square.

I still remember the theme songs of several of the DJ programs:
"You'll
be sure to wind up smilin'/if it's nine-five-oh your dialin'/You're
gonna love it we know/when you're lis'nin' to the Stan Richards show"
and "No foolin',/no foolin',/get ready to hear/Norm Tulin." Years
later, after Norm had moved in to WHN in New York, I worked with an HR
guy named Barry Tulin at Honeywell in Framingham (on Old Connecticut
Path). Turned out that Barry was Norm's cousin.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> On 23 Nov 2008 at 20:42, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> I was told years ago by Dick Booth (Donna is he still on
>> planet?)that
>> WLLH-FM and the success of WORL going Top 40 made RKO General take
>> the
>> plunge with WRKO-FM which then paved the way for WNAC to flip to
>> WRKO.
>
> As I recall, the FCC's new rule requiring separate programs on AM-FM
> combos caused RKO General to try top-40 music on WRKO-FM.  They did
> this automated think called "Arcomatic," which was probably the
> cheapest thing they could get for the hours that they had to have
> separate programs.  Its ratings success apparently was a big
> surprise
> to them and stimulated the AM flip.
>
>> WLLH-FM (simulcast) sounded to this 15 year old as good as WMEX.
>> Summer of 65 WORL also sounded good and broke new music quicker
>> than
>> WMEX or WBZ. I don't know if Ken Carter owned WORL yet but as soon
>> as
>> WRK0 came along they became WRYT.
>
> I never heard WORL as a top-40 station.  I think the only time I
> ever
> listened to them was somewhat earlier, when they had a children's
> program on Sunday morning, just after Children's Playhouse on WHDH.
>
> After WCOP flipped from top-40 in the summer of 1962, I generally
> relied on WKBR-FM from Manchester, simulcasting the AM, for top-40
> music in the evening.  WBZ was doing talk shows and WMEX reception
> in
> Bedford (Mass) was pretty bad.  I suppose I might have tried for
> WPTR
> or WKBW, but since I had an FM radio, I went with WKBR because it
> had
> a better and more reliable signal.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Nov 24 09:13:20 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:13:20 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <B3521A6366034B4096DF8F8456B27117@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1D0A14E54FF9475EA5A5A14770A6D148@DougDrown>,
	<4fc429770811231842o338c031fue239bca8c3ffe625@mail.gmail.com>	<4929DDB3.28546.ACBE2B@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<B3521A6366034B4096DF8F8456B27117@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <492AB680.6020309@ttlc.net>



Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> I remember WORL in the summer of '56 with a lineup that consisted of
> Gregg Finn in AM drive (with 15 minutes taken out from 6:15 to 6:30
> for the Rosary with Cardinal Cushing)

In 1966, while working at WRYT, I was told that "The Rosary" had nothing 
to do with donations to the church.  Allegedly, someone from the station 
recorded the Cardinal reciting the rosary, the P.O. Box for "donations" 
belonged to WRYT and all income went directly to their bank account.




From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 10:10:05 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:10:05 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>

Along these lines, when WBZA was on the air in Springfield and both it and 
WBZ were NBC affiliates, was WBZA not broadcasting the same network 
programming that could be heard in the same area via WTIC in 
rtford?   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>; "Mark Watson" 
<markwats@comcast.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


>I remember that, the first time I visited Boston (summer of 1947,
> IIRC), WLAW (licensed to Lawrence but covering Boston--though not
> MetroWest by day--just as superbly as it does today) was an ABC
> affiliate and so was WCOP 1150 (licensed to Boston). Even then, I was
> a radio geek--although the term geek had not yet been coined, and I
> wondered how many people in Boston listened to the ABC programming on
> the better signal and how many listened on what was ostensibly the
> local affiliate. Apparently, it was not all that uncommon back then
> for people in some localities to be able to hear network programming
> quite well on more than one station. I think the FCC rules in that day
> prohibited two stations licensed to the same community from being
> primary affiliates of the same radio network, but the rule said
> nothing about stations whose coverage overlapped but were licensed to
> different communities.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
> To: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> On 23 Nov 2008 at 19:22, Mark Watson wrote:
>>
>>>   WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm
>>> sure many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their
>>> top 40 fix back in the day.
>>
>> What I wonder about is why, in an earlier era, WLLH was a Yankee
>> Network and Mutual affiliate when WNAC covered the area so well.
>>
>> -- 
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>>
> 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 11:21:43 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:21:43 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>
	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>

We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.

Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA

Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston

Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.

I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
and WDRC.

Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.

From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 11:48:03 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:48:03 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark><4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com><1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044><19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D837B85422FF4E92AA6D68CEC90CFF8D@mediacenter>

Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite strong in 
the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk radio 
side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>
> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>
> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>
> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>
> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
> and WDRC.
>
> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
> 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 11:54:32 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>
	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>
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I actually don't know of any small-market stations that didn't have their 
own newsrooms back in the heyday.  In most instances there would be an 
hourly network newscast followed by a three- to five-minute local broadcast 
of news, weather and sometimes sports.  The newscasts would last at least 
five minutes between 6 and 9 A.M., at noon, and at 5 P.M.; some stations 
also broadcast brief headline reports on the half-hour.  I recall that 
sometimes the DJs would do the latter, but in many instances it would be a 
news anchor.  Hard to believe, isn't it?  Oh, how times have changed . . 
. -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "A. Joseph Ross" 
<joe@attorneyross.com>; "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>; "Boston Radio 
Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>
> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>
> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>
> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>
> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
> and WDRC.
>
> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree. 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 12:00:19 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:00:19 -0500
Subject: Small-town news
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This might make an interesting (and fun) thread.  Lead stories on a 
small-city and small-town broadcasting stations could sometimes be pretty 
amusing.  I remember one 11 PM newscast on Channel 5 in Bangor years ago in 
which the lead story was the opening of a new bowling alley in Brewer.

To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You know you live in Maine when . . ."

-Doug


>>Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual 
>>newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and the 
>>lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "A. Joseph Ross" 
<joe@attorneyross.com>; "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>; "Boston Radio 
Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>
> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>
> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>
> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>
> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
> and WDRC.
>
> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree. 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 12:01:39 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:01:39 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <D837B85422FF4E92AA6D68CEC90CFF8D@mediacenter>
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Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard to
name a few.

Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson Armstrong
and Bud Bullou.



On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite strong in
> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk radio
> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>
>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>
>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>
>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>>
>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
>> and WDRC.
>>
>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
>>
>
>

From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 12:17:45 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:17:45 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Philadelphia teneded to feed NY...folks like George Michael and the 
aforementioned Jim Nettleton "graduated" from WFIL and went to WABC.  Joey 
Reynolds (who, I think holds the record for stations he worked) was in 
Philly and Buffalo before getting to WOR in NY.

In the early 70's Chicago also fed Philly with John "Records" Landecker at 
WIBG and others...

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Dan.Strassberg" 
<dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard to
> name a few.
>
> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson Armstrong
> and Bud Bullou.
>
>
>
> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite strong 
>> in
>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk radio
>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>
>>
>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>
>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>
>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>
>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>>>
>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
>>> and WDRC.
>>>
>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
>>>
>>
>>
> 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 12:30:38 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:30:38 -0600
Subject: Small-town news
In-Reply-To: <5989E695912B4A6093E96871D6412287@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
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One night at WMUR we tried to pull a fast one.

In Berlin, NH a roof collapsed on a skating rink and many were killed.
Our news director Ed Williams informs me that we will do a live remote
from Berlin. I'm saying to myself OKKKK.

I wheel one of the studio cameras out into the so called lobby and
pointed it out the window. Poor Tom Bonner stood on Elm St pretending
to be in Berlin. During the 'live shot' a Manchester city bus stops
behind Tom. Not missing a beat Tom reports that rescue workers from
Manchester have just arrived.

Another night I answer the phone and it is ABC wanting to know if we
had footage of a plane crash in NH. I replied what plane crash....

I could write a book about 1819 Elm

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 12:47:47 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:47:47 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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> In 1966, while working at WRYT, I was told that "The Rosary" had nothing
> to do with donations to the church.  Allegedly, someone from the station 
> recorded the Cardinal reciting the rosary, the P.O. Box for "donations" 
> belonged to WRYT and all income went directly to their bank account.

I believe this was an arrangement that they had with Cardinal Cushing.

The Church did not want to "buy time" (That's something only "the 
Protestants do".)....but allowed WROL/WORL/WRYT to recoup the money for the 
airtime by giving out a PO box.


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 12:49:53 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:49:53 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
> worked in NYC as well. 

Let's not forget Johnny Dark to w-N-b-c...



From fox893@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 12:59:43 2008
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:59:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Small-town news
In-Reply-To: <5989E695912B4A6093E96871D6412287@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <98177.47497.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We (Mt Washington Valley, Western Maine, Berlin/Gorham NH) are generally lucky enough to have at least one or two hard news stories each day.  Sometimes that luck turns unlucky...  Army Barracks killing, the rash of fires in Berlin a couple years ago, this summer's tornado, etc...



--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> Subject: Small-town news
> To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>, "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 12:00 PM
> This might make an interesting (and fun) thread.  Lead
> stories on a small-city and small-town broadcasting stations
> could sometimes be pretty amusing.  I remember one 11 PM
> newscast on Channel 5 in Bangor years ago in which the lead
> story was the opening of a new bowling alley in Brewer.
> 
> To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You know you live in
> Maine when . . ."
> 
> -Doug
> 
> 
> >> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk
> shows and actual newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's
> visiting a friend at WNBP and the lead story was how the
> fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey"
> <kvahey@gmail.com>
> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg"
> <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "A. Joseph Ross"
> <joe@attorneyross.com>; "Mark Watson"
> <markwats@comcast.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
> 
> 
> > We have talked about this before but before satellite
> programming took
> > hold New England had a baseball like farm system for
> radio.
> > 
> > Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
> > Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
> > 
> > Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
> > 
> > Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New
> York but Chicago.
> > 
> > I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations
> WHYN and WTXL.
> > Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and
> Hartford WPOP
> > and WDRC.
> > 
> > Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows
> and actual
> > newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a
> friend at WNBP and
> > the lead story was how the fire department rescued a
> cat from a tree.


      

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 13:00:53 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:00:53 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Kevin: You are correct; Palmer Payne did news at WOR after leaving WRKO. 
There was another fellow whom I believe also worked at both stations (though 
I may be wrong); his first name was Roger and he had a last name that I 
could never quite catch --- something like "Skivenas."  Ring any bells with 
anyone?

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Dan.Strassberg" 
<dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard to
> name a few.
>
> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson Armstrong
> and Bud Bullou.
>
>
>
> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite strong 
>> in
>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk radio
>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>
>>
>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>
>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>
>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>
>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>>>
>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
>>> and WDRC.
>>>
>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
>>>
>>
>> 


From cdsull502@aol.com  Mon Nov 24 13:07:33 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:07:33 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
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WTIC was an NBC Red affiliate; WBZ/WBZA ?was NBC Blue---Of course that distinction went away when the Blue Network was sold off per government order?in 1943.? After that, until 1956 when WBZ dropped NBC, both stations were simply NBC?affiliates.

I always wondered why WTIC didn't pick up the CBS?affilation when WDRC dropped it in 1960.? It would have made sense for them to?have the radio have the same network as the TV.? I'm sure CBS would have been very happy with that arrangement. ??


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>; Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net>
Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:10 am
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


Along these lines, when WBZA was on the air in Springfield and both it and WBZ were NBC affiliates, was WBZA not broadcasting the same network programming that could be heard in the same area via WTIC in rtford? -Doug?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>?
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>; "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>?
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>?
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM?
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio?
?
>I remember that, the first time I visited Boston (summer of 1947,?
> IIRC), WLAW (licensed to Lawrence but covering Boston--though not?
> MetroWest by day--just as superbly as it does today) was an ABC?
> affiliate and so was WCOP 1150 (licensed to Boston). Even then, I was?
> a radio geek--although the term geek had not yet been coined, and I?
> wondered how many people in Boston listened to the ABC programming on?
> the better signal and how many listened on what was ostensibly the?
> local affiliate. Apparently, it was not all that uncommon back then?
> for people in some localities to be able to hear network programming?
> quite well on more than one station. I think the FCC rules in that day?
> prohibited two stations licensed to the same community from being?
> primary affiliates of the same radio network, but the rule said?
> nothing about stations whose coverage overlapped but were licensed to?
> different communities.?
>?
> -----?
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)?
> eFax 1-707-215-6367?
>?
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>?
> To: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>?
> Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>?
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:48 PM?
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio?
>?
>?
>> On 23 Nov 2008 at 19:22, Mark Watson wrote:?
>>?
>>> WRKO's signal blankets the Merrimack Valley day & night, yet I'm?
>>> sure many Lowell & Lawrence area folks listened to WLLH for their?
>>> top 40 fix back in the day.?
>>?
>> What I wonder about is why, in an earlier era, WLLH was a Yankee?
>> Network and Mutual affiliate when WNAC covered the area so well.?
>>?
>> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468?
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856?
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com?
>>?
>>?
> ?


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:09:48 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:09:48 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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I am sure many of you on the list can remember when live broadcasts
from the Mission Church in Jamaica Plain were a mainstay on WHDH on
Wednesday evenings.
The Mission Church was Catholic and the broadcasts usually lasted an
hour or more depending on how long the sermon was. I don't know if the
church bought the time or if WHDH was trying to please Cushing.

Cushing was smart when it came to broadcasting. He got channel 38 on
the air in 1964 and was looking to sell from day 1. What he wanted was
the buyer to set up the extensive microwave system for the Boston
Catholic TV Center and that is exactly what Storer did.



On 11/24/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In 1966, while working at WRYT, I was told that "The Rosary" had nothing
>> to do with donations to the church.  Allegedly, someone from the station
>> recorded the Cardinal reciting the rosary, the P.O. Box for "donations"
>> belonged to WRYT and all income went directly to their bank account.
>
> I believe this was an arrangement that they had with Cardinal Cushing.
>
> The Church did not want to "buy time" (That's something only "the
> Protestants do".)....but allowed WROL/WORL/WRYT to recoup the money for the
> airtime by giving out a PO box.
>
>

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:20:27 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:20:27 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
Message-ID: <492AF06B.4000407@gmail.com>

Oh, the humanity.  The hits of Barry Manilow are now a court-ordered 
implement of punishment in a Colorado town for 'perps' who blast their 
idea of music too loudly. "These people should have to listen to music 
they don't like," said Judge Paul Sacco for a segment about the program 
that aired Friday on KUSA-TV Denver.

The now-sixty-five-year-old 70s popper, for many,  was a deservedly 
cruel hoax upon the "me generation" of the Seventies.  From "Mandy" to 
"I Write the Songs" to "Ships" and the /'take that you hippie'/ 
"Daybreak", the sounds of Manilow was to music what the Chrysler K-Car 
was to wheels.  Dependable, ubiquitous, safe, and low-art, Manilow music 
was, indeed, the K-Car of Seventies music.

As a radio disc jockey on 'adult contemporary' stations back in the 
Eighties, my brain will forever have in deep-storage the sounds of 
Manilow.  Years of fresh air, thoughts of baseball, and an appreciation 
for silence have moved me far ahead of many fellow radio buddies who 
were less fortunate to break free from the sound that was Manilow.

And no, there is no 12-step program for this Manilow disorder.  If there 
were to be one, we could call it "Onanonanonanon... The Twelve Step 
Program for People Who Can't Stop from /Getting' that Feelin' /Again."

Bill O'Neill
-- 
I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
/Rodney Dangerfield/

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:20:53 2008
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:20:53 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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However Boston has been a strong feeder for New York local news. Jim
Jensen, Chuck Scarboro and Len Berman all came from Boston.
Leslie Stahl joined CBS when WHDH-TV went dark, Tom Ellis was a
disaster at WABC and Dick Stockton also went to CBS and now FOX.

Plus many reporters to numerous to name.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 13:27:35 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:27:35 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>
The Mission Church was Catholic and the broadcasts usually lasted an
hour or more depending on how long the sermon was. I don't know if the
church bought the time or if WHDH was trying to please Cushing.
<<

What year was this on WHDH?  Did they ask for donations on this program?

You might recall (or maybe not) Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.  He was given 
airtime for free...but I don't believe he begged for donations as they do 
today.


> Cushing was smart when it came to broadcasting. He got channel 38 on
> the air in 1964 and was looking to sell from day 1.

Cushing was known for his money acumen.  ;-)

He may have had the same experience as the Christian Science Monitor did 
when they had Ch 68 and "The M Onitor Channel"

A nice concept, but after getting it on the air, realizing what an expensive 
ongoing proposition it was.

Getting it on the air was the easy part.....generating income to cover the 
ongoing operation is another thing.

The Monitor Channel, while a noble enterprise, was a big black hole in the 
balance sheet of the organization.



From sid@wrko.com  Mon Nov 24 13:31:51 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:31:51 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>You are correct; Palmer Payne did news at WOR after leaving WRKO. 
There was another fellow whom I believe also worked at both stations (though 
I may be wrong); his first name was Roger and he had a last name that I 
could never quite catch --- something like "Skivenas."  Ring any bells with 
anyone?<<

Roger Skibenes.  (not sure of the spelling)

Palmer Payne also did news at WABC around the time of its transition from music to talk (1982), as did another Channel 7 alumnus, Roger Sharp.  The standing joke at ABC was that if the two of them ever co-anchored a newscast, they could call it...


(wait for it)


...the Sharp-Payne Report.

(ducking and covering)



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 24 13:36:42 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:36:42 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Norm Tulin went from WORL to WHN
in New York. His air name in the Big Apple was Norm Stevens. Bill
Marlowe worked at the same New York station as Tulin did, though not
at the same time. When Marlowe worked there, I think the calls were
WMGM. The station definitely had those calls at some point but I could
be wrong about the calls being WMGM when Marlowe worked there. Didn't
Palmer Payne move from WNAC or WRKO to WOR while both stations were
still owned by RKO General? One would think that more WNAC/WRKO
personalities would have found their way to WOR when the stations were
co-owned. In fact, Marlowe might have been one of them. Didn't he do
Music from Studio X on both WOR and WNAC (not as a simulcast but in
different years)?

And don't forget the road from Boston to New York will also get you
from New York to Boston. Ed Walsh, who now anchors AM drive at WBZ
(AM) grew up in the Boston area and, I guess, worked in radio here
(though I don't know where) before making his way to New York, where
he worked at WOR and WCBS before he returned to Boston.

Oh, and I'm sure that nobody else remembers when Jonathan Schwartz
(now of Sirius/XM, but also of the late WNEW (AM), WNYC, and maybe
WQEW in its pre-Disney days) worked at WNAC. So he too went from
Boston to New York. But he also went from New York to Boston. His
first radio gig was at Pacifica's WBAI (FM).

And going back even further, did Morgan Baker of the Housewives'
Protective League program on the old WEEI 590 go to the Housewives'
Protective League program on WCBS, where he assumed the air name of
Galen Drake? The hosts in the various cities were selected because
they sounded the same. All had great radio voices. If Baker did, in
fact, make such a move, I doubt whether any listeners even noticed.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> Kevin: You are correct; Palmer Payne did news at WOR after leaving
> WRKO. There was another fellow whom I believe also worked at both
> stations (though I may be wrong); his first name was Roger and he
> had a last name that I could never quite catch --- something like
> "Skivenas."  Ring any bells with anyone?
>
> -Doug
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Dan.Strassberg"
> <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
>> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
>> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
>> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard
>> to
>> name a few.
>>
>> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson
>> Armstrong
>> and Bud Bullou.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite
>>> strong in
>>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk
>>> radio
>>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio
>>> Group"
>>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>>
>>>
>>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming
>>>> took
>>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>>
>>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>>
>>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>>
>>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but
>>>> Chicago.
>>>>
>>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and
>>>> WTXL.
>>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford
>>>> WPOP
>>>> and WDRC.
>>>>
>>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP
>>>> and
>>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a
>>>> tree.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>


From cdsull502@aol.com  Mon Nov 24 13:36:27 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:36:27 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Boston sent its share of people to New York---namely Bruce Bradley, Dick Summer, and Jay Dunn.?? On the news side, Jack Welby and Morton Dean.?? I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting.??



-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio




Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard to
name a few.

Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson Armstrong
and Bud Bullou.



On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite strong in
> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk radio
> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming took
>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>
>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>
>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>
>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but Chicago.
>>
>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and WTXL.
>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford WPOP
>> and WDRC.
>>
>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP and
>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a tree.
>>
>
>


From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 13:44:32 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:44:32 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Ed Walsh did afternoon achoring and may have been news director at WRKO in 
Boston in the early 1980's before leaving for WOR.  He was part of WRKO's 
news team during the switch to talk in 1981 which also included John 
(Burgomeister) Masters, Owen May and Deborah Robi.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; 
"Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Norm Tulin went from WORL to WHN
> in New York. His air name in the Big Apple was Norm Stevens. Bill
> Marlowe worked at the same New York station as Tulin did, though not
> at the same time. When Marlowe worked there, I think the calls were
> WMGM. The station definitely had those calls at some point but I could
> be wrong about the calls being WMGM when Marlowe worked there. Didn't
> Palmer Payne move from WNAC or WRKO to WOR while both stations were
> still owned by RKO General? One would think that more WNAC/WRKO
> personalities would have found their way to WOR when the stations were
> co-owned. In fact, Marlowe might have been one of them. Didn't he do
> Music from Studio X on both WOR and WNAC (not as a simulcast but in
> different years)?
>
> And don't forget the road from Boston to New York will also get you
> from New York to Boston. Ed Walsh, who now anchors AM drive at WBZ
> (AM) grew up in the Boston area and, I guess, worked in radio here
> (though I don't know where) before making his way to New York, where
> he worked at WOR and WCBS before he returned to Boston.
>
> Oh, and I'm sure that nobody else remembers when Jonathan Schwartz
> (now of Sirius/XM, but also of the late WNEW (AM), WNYC, and maybe
> WQEW in its pre-Disney days) worked at WNAC. So he too went from
> Boston to New York. But he also went from New York to Boston. His
> first radio gig was at Pacifica's WBAI (FM).
>
> And going back even further, did Morgan Baker of the Housewives'
> Protective League program on the old WEEI 590 go to the Housewives'
> Protective League program on WCBS, where he assumed the air name of
> Galen Drake? The hosts in the various cities were selected because
> they sounded the same. All had great radio voices. If Baker did, in
> fact, make such a move, I doubt whether any listeners even noticed.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> Kevin: You are correct; Palmer Payne did news at WOR after leaving
>> WRKO. There was another fellow whom I believe also worked at both
>> stations (though I may be wrong); his first name was Roger and he
>> had a last name that I could never quite catch --- something like
>> "Skivenas."  Ring any bells with anyone?
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
>> Cc: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Dan.Strassberg"
>> <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>
>>
>>> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
>>> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
>>> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
>>> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard
>>> to
>>> name a few.
>>>
>>> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson
>>> Armstrong
>>> and Bud Bullou.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite
>>>> strong in
>>>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk
>>>> radio
>>>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>>>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio
>>>> Group"
>>>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming
>>>>> took
>>>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>>>
>>>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but
>>>>> Chicago.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and
>>>>> WTXL.
>>>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford
>>>>> WPOP
>>>>> and WDRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP
>>>>> and
>>>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a
>>>>> tree.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> 


From cdsull502@aol.com  Mon Nov 24 13:44:56 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:44:56 -0500
Subject: One More
Message-ID: <8CB1C7BE167E2AA-1510-6E4@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com>

Wasn't Bob Walker, longtime anchor for ABC radio, an alumni of WRKO?

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Nov 24 13:46:05 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:46:05 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Bradley came from upstate New York. ISTR hearing that he grew up in
the Utica/Rome area. I remember him at WROW Albany when I was in
college there before he came to Boston. He may have worked in Buffalo
between Albany and Boston. What station did he move to in New York
City? WABC?

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdsull502@aol.com>
To: <kvahey@gmail.com>; <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> Boston sent its share of people to New York---namely Bruce Bradley,
> Dick Summer, and Jay Dunn.?? On the news side, Jack Welby and Morton
> Dean.?? I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting.??
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
> To: Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:01 pm
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>
>
> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard
> to
> name a few.
>
> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson
> Armstrong
> and Bud Bullou.
>
>
>
> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite
>> strong in
>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk
>> radio
>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>
>>
>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming
>>> took
>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>
>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>
>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>
>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but
>>> Chicago.
>>>
>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and
>>> WTXL.
>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford
>>> WPOP
>>> and WDRC.
>>>
>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP
>>> and
>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a
>>> tree.
>>>
>>
>>
>


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Mon Nov 24 13:47:05 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:47:05 -0500
Subject: Small-town news
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----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Small-town news


> This might make an interesting (and fun) thread.  Lead stories on a
> small-city and small-town broadcasting stations could sometimes be pretty
> amusing.  I remember one 11 PM newscast on Channel 5 in Bangor years ago
in
> which the lead story was the opening of a new bowling alley in Brewer.
>
> To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You know you live in Maine when . . ."
>
> -Doug

Don't remember any lead stories, but I do remember that, in the late '70s, I
used to listen a little station in Forrest City, Ark., KXJK (950), that
occasionally read the obituaries from the local paper right after the news.
KXJK was a country station, and I vividly recall one morning on which the DJ
on duty came out of the obits with the Statler Brothers' "I'll Go To My
Grave (Loving You)."

Howard



From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Nov 24 13:53:23 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:53:23 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> However Boston has been a strong feeder for New York local news. Jim
> Jensen, Chuck Scarboro and Len Berman all came from Boston.
Is Jim Jensen related to Lief Jensen?

Didn't Ernie Andrews (WROR-FM 98.5) go to ABC in NY?



From cdsull502@aol.com  Mon Nov 24 13:53:39 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:53:39 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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His first stop in New York?after WBZ was WHN---other stations later, like WYNY and even a stint as a host on NBC?Monitor during its waning days.?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org; Cdsull502@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


Bradley came from upstate New York. ISTR hearing that he grew up in?
the Utica/Rome area. I remember him at WROW Albany when I was in?
college there before he came to Boston. He may have worked in Buffalo?
between Albany and Boston. What station did he move to in New York?
City? WABC??
?
-----?
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)?
eFax 1-707-215-6367?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: <cdsull502@aol.com>?
To: <kvahey@gmail.com>; <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>?
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:36 PM?
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio?
?
> Boston sent its share of people to New York---namely Bruce Bradley,?
> Dick Summer, and Jay Dunn.?? On the news side, Jack Welby and Morton?
> Dean.?? I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting.???
>?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>?
> To: Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net>?
> Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group?
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>?
> Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:01 pm?
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank?
> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne?
> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck?
> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard?
> to?
> name a few.?
>?
> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson?
> Armstrong?
> and Bud Bullou.?
>?
>?
>?
> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:?
>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite?
>> strong in?
>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk?
>> radio?
>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.?
>>?
>> Alan?
>> ----- Original Message -----?
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>?
>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>?
>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"?
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>?
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM?
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio?
>>?
>>?
>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming?
>>> took?
>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.?
>>>?
>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A?
>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA?
>>>?
>>> Providence and Hartford AAA and then Boston?
>>>?
>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but?
>>> Chicago.?
>>>?
>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and?
>>> WTXL.?
>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford?
>>> WPOP?
>>> and WDRC.?
>>>?
>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual?
>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP?
>>> and?
>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a?
>>> tree.?
>>>?
>>?
>>?
>?
?


From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 14:30:24 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:30:24 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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Mission Church was on from at least the mid 50's until well into the
60's. They were famous for radio novenas. I have a hunch the
Herald-Traveler just may have given the church the time for free with
the hope Cushing could lobby the FCC about channel 5.

Also for years WNAC used to televise Sunday Mass from the studios. I
wonder who paid for that?

I was very young but once Cushing argeed to be on Jerry Williams it
was a signal that the Cardinal had no problems with him.



On 11/24/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>
> The Mission Church was Catholic and the broadcasts usually lasted an
> hour or more depending on how long the sermon was. I don't know if the
> church bought the time or if WHDH was trying to please Cushing.
> <<
>
> What year was this on WHDH?  Did they ask for donations on this program?
>
> You might recall (or maybe not) Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.  He was given
> airtime for free...but I don't believe he begged for donations as they do
> today.
>
>
>> Cushing was smart when it came to broadcasting. He got channel 38 on
>> the air in 1964 and was looking to sell from day 1.
>
> Cushing was known for his money acumen.  ;-)
>
> He may have had the same experience as the Christian Science Monitor did
> when they had Ch 68 and "The M Onitor Channel"
>
> A nice concept, but after getting it on the air, realizing what an expensive
> ongoing proposition it was.
>
> Getting it on the air was the easy part.....generating income to cover the
> ongoing operation is another thing.
>
> The Monitor Channel, while a noble enterprise, was a big black hole in the
> balance sheet of the organization.
>
>
>

From cdsull502@aol.com  Mon Nov 24 15:18:57 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:18:57 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
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I have it on good authority that when the inmates at? the Guantanamo Camp?get out of hand, the guards play Barry Mainilow's Greatest Hits Album over the PA system.?? The misbehaving?prisoners quickly cease their nefarious activities --- they promise the guards that they
will behave provided they don't have to listen to the record.? Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.????


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com>
To: Boston Radio Interest <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 1:20 pm
Subject: Manilow Disorder


Oh, the humanity. The hits of Barry Manilow are now a court-ordered implement of punishment in a Colorado town for 'perps' who blast their idea of music too loudly. "These people should have to listen to music they don't like," said Judge Paul Sacco for a segment about the program that aired Friday on KUSA-TV Denver.?
?
The now-sixty-five-year-old 70s popper, for many, was a deservedly cruel hoax upon the "me generation" of the Seventies. From "Mandy" to "I Write the Songs" to "Ships" and the /'take that you hippie'/ "Daybreak", the sounds of Manilow was to music what the Chrysler K-Car was to wheels. Dependable, ubiquitous, safe, and low-art, Manilow music was, indeed, the K-Car of Seventies music.?
?
As a radio disc jockey on 'adult contemporary' stations back in the Eighties, my brain will forever have in deep-storage the sounds of Manilow. Years of fresh air, thoughts of baseball, and an appreciation for silence have moved me far ahead of many fellow radio buddies who were less fortunate to break free from the sound that was Manilow.?
?
And no, there is no 12-step program for this Manilow disorder. If there were to be one, we could call it "Onanonanonanon... The Twelve Step Program for People Who Can't Stop from /Getting' that Feelin' /Again."?
?
Bill O'Neill?
-- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.?
/Rodney Dangerfield/?


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Nov 24 15:32:13 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:32:13 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>Didn't Ernie Andrews (WROR-FM 98.5) go to ABC in NY?<<

Yes, using his real name (Ernie Anastos).


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Nov 24 15:33:37 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:37 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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>>Bradley came from upstate New York...What station did he move to in New York
City? WABC?<<

Definitely not WABC.  I think it was either WNBC or WHN.


From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 17:20:38 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:38 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
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cdsull502@aol.com wrote:
> Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.   
Then, they queue up Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" followed up 
with Morris Albert's "Feelings." Stax-o-WACKS <g>.

b -

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov 24 17:54:38 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:54:38 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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On 24 Nov 2008 Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> I remember that, the first time I visited Boston (summer of 1947,
> IIRC), WLAW (licensed to Lawrence but covering Boston--though not
> MetroWest by day--just as superbly as it does today) was an ABC
> affiliate and so was WCOP 1150 (licensed to Boston). Even then, I was
> a radio geek--although the term geek had not yet been coined, and I
> wondered how many people in Boston listened to the ABC programming on
> the better signal and how many listened on what was ostensibly the
> local affiliate. Apparently, it was not all that uncommon back then
> for people in some localities to be able to hear network programming
> quite well on more than one station. I think the FCC rules in that day
> prohibited two stations licensed to the same community from being
> primary affiliates of the same radio network, but the rule said
> nothing about stations whose coverage overlapped but were licensed to
> different communities.

And that is true even today.  After all, Channel 10 in Providence 
comes in quite well in much of Boston, carrying the same NBC programs 
as channel 7.  And north of Boston, channel 9 comes in quite well 
carrying the same ABC programs as channel 5.

What I wonder about is how the Metro West area (another term not 
coined back then) got ABC programming, since the 1150 signal doesn't 
reach out there very well either.  Maybe there was another ABC 
affiliate in Worcester?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Nov 24 19:46:49 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
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  Sid Schweiger wrote:
> >>Bradley came from upstate New York...What station did he move to 
> in New York
>City? WABC?<<
>
>Definitely not WABC.  I think it was either WNBC or WHN.

WHN 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 22:26:00 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:26:00 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
Message-ID: <4fc429770811241926i7e58749au991f7c92062636c7@mail.gmail.com>

Scott reported today that WNBC vacated their long time newstudio 6-B
and moved upstairs.

So what happens to 6-B? I have fond memories of seeing the Carson show
tape their quite a few times as it was always easy to get in back
then.

I believe the audience portion of the studio is still intact so I
wonder what the plans are for that famous studio.

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 23:55:54 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:55:54 -0500
Subject: Small-town news
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark><4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com><1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044><19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown><4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll go you one a bit worse.  About thirty years ago I spent a week visiting 
friends who were living at the time in Lewisville, Mississippi, a little 
place of about 5,000 people some 60 miles north of Jackson.  Every weekday 
afternoon at 3:15 or thereabouts, a staffer at the local radio station would 
read the obituaries.  The program was sponsored by . . . the funeral home. 
Complete with an ad.

-Doug



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Glazer" <hmglaz@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Small-town news


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> To: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
> Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:00 PM
> Subject: Small-town news
>
>
>> This might make an interesting (and fun) thread.  Lead stories on a
>> small-city and small-town broadcasting stations could sometimes be pretty
>> amusing.  I remember one 11 PM newscast on Channel 5 in Bangor years ago
> in
>> which the lead story was the opening of a new bowling alley in Brewer.
>>
>> To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You know you live in Maine when . . ."
>>
>> -Doug
>
> Don't remember any lead stories, but I do remember that, in the late '70s, 
> I
> used to listen a little station in Forrest City, Ark., KXJK (950), that
> occasionally read the obituaries from the local paper right after the 
> news.
> KXJK was a country station, and I vividly recall one morning on which the 
> DJ
> on duty came out of the obits with the Statler Brothers' "I'll Go To My
> Grave (Loving You)."
>
> Howard
>
> 


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 00:00:38 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:00:38 -0600
Subject: Small-town news
In-Reply-To: <29E824028375482188553DC4FFFB87CC@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
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When I worked at WQMA 1520 in Marks, MS.. a town of 1500 people south of
Tunica, between Clarksdale and Batesville, the obituaries and funeral
announcements were read every morning at 8;05, after being hand delivered by
the sponsor, the funeral home the night before.

They would be left i nan envelope at the front door with cash in the
envelopment, as payment for the announcement.

THey do obits here at KNLV AM and FM every day too..

Paul Walker
www.onairdj.com


On 11/24/08, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I'll go you one a bit worse.  About thirty years ago I spent a week
> visiting friends who were living at the time in Lewisville, Mississippi, a
> little place of about 5,000 people some 60 miles north of Jackson.  Every
> weekday afternoon at 3:15 or thereabouts, a staffer at the local radio
> station would read the obituaries.  The program was sponsored by . . . the
> funeral home. Complete with an ad.
>
> -Doug
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" <
> hmglaz@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" <
> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Small-town news
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>> To: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Group
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:00 PM
>> Subject: Small-town news
>>
>>
>>  This might make an interesting (and fun) thread.  Lead stories on a
>>> small-city and small-town broadcasting stations could sometimes be pretty
>>> amusing.  I remember one 11 PM newscast on Channel 5 in Bangor years ago
>>>
>> in
>>
>>> which the lead story was the opening of a new bowling alley in Brewer.
>>>
>>> To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You know you live in Maine when . . ."
>>>
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>
>> Don't remember any lead stories, but I do remember that, in the late '70s,
>> I
>> used to listen a little station in Forrest City, Ark., KXJK (950), that
>> occasionally read the obituaries from the local paper right after the
>> news.
>> KXJK was a country station, and I vividly recall one morning on which the
>> DJ
>> on duty came out of the obits with the Statler Brothers' "I'll Go To My
>> Grave (Loving You)."
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
www.onairdj.com
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 21:59:02 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:02 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <8CB1C875610B64A-B30-583@WEBMAIL-MY24.sysops.aol.com>
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Met Bishop Sheen in 1970 when I worked on Cardinal Cushing's funeral
and WNAC had him for commentary.

Strange thing about how the funeral was covered. Back then there were
only 3 color remote trucks in town (5,38 and 27) yet WNAC handled the
pool coverage bringing in the WOR truck.
I never found out the reason why RKO General took on that role.

I remember on Saturday nights that Sheen later went head to head with
Jackie Gleason on ABC after Dumont folded.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Nov 25 00:58:42 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:58:42 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811241926i7e58749au991f7c92062636c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811241926i7e58749au991f7c92062636c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492B9412.2020100@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Scott reported today that WNBC vacated their long time newstudio 6-B
> and moved upstairs.
> 
> So what happens to 6-B? I have fond memories of seeing the Carson show
> tape their quite a few times as it was always easy to get in back
> then.
> 
> I believe the audience portion of the studio is still intact so I
> wonder what the plans are for that famous studio.

I'm not sure what becomes of 6B. There is no audience seating in there - 
when I last visited (with Garrett) a year or so ago, the WNBC news sets 
filled the room completely.

There must have been a pretty massive reconfiguration of 6B and 6A at 
some point in the past, because while I'm reasonably certain that the 
original Tonight Show (Allen/Paar/early Carson) was in 6B, I'm quite 
certain that Letterman's show began in 1982 in 6A next door, which is 
where Conan O'Brien still originates, and which does still have full 
audience seating. And I think Carson may have ended up in 6A before 
moving out west in 1972.

Something deep in the recesses of my brain tells me 6B was also used for 
the Today Show at some point before it moved downstairs to the new 1A 
across the street from 30 Rock.

Aaron Barnhart of the Kansas City Star, who knows everything, speculates 
that 6B may be reincarnated as the home of the new Late Night with Jimmy 
Fallon next year:

http://blogs.kansascity.com/tvbarn/2008/07/nbc-executive-s.html

Useless trivia: I've never been inside 6A. Every time I've managed to 
weasel my way into 30 Rock for a tour, there's been something - either a 
Conan taping or a private event - going on there. (But I have stood in 
the SNL host spot on the floor of 8H and promised the empty room that 
"we've got a great show for you tonight, so stick around"...)

s





From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 00:58:32 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:58:32 -0500
Subject: Small-town news
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark><4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com><1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044><19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown><4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com><5989E695912B4A6093E96871D6412287@DougDrown><001c01c94e65$0c855d60$9b904c0c@oemcomputer>
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> I'll go you one a bit worse.  About thirty years ago I spent a week 
> visiting friends who were living at the time in Lewisville, Mississippi, a 
> little place of about 5,000 people some 60 miles north of Jackson.  Every 
> weekday afternoon at 3:15 or thereabouts, a staffer at the local radio 
> station would read the obituaries.  The program was sponsored by . . . the 
> funeral home. Complete with an ad.

Obituaries are not that uncommon on local radio where sponsorship sales are 
more important that audience.

More often than not, it's spopnsored by the florist shop.


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 01:19:42 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:19:42 -0600
Subject: Small-town news
In-Reply-To: <A7CDF0414BDB4E0F871BE4127D7F6FD6@MainXPPro>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
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The hospital report on KNLV, which contains information on patients
released, patients admitted, outpatient services provided, etc is sponsored
by the local flower shop in Ord, "The Florette"

Paul Walker
www.onairdj.com


On 11/24/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>  I'll go you one a bit worse.  About thirty years ago I spent a week
>> visiting friends who were living at the time in Lewisville, Mississippi, a
>> little place of about 5,000 people some 60 miles north of Jackson.  Every
>> weekday afternoon at 3:15 or thereabouts, a staffer at the local radio
>> station would read the obituaries.  The program was sponsored by . . . the
>> funeral home. Complete with an ad.
>>
>
> Obituaries are not that uncommon on local radio where sponsorship sales are
> more important that audience.
>
> More often than not, it's spopnsored by the florist shop.
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov 25 00:57:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:57:18 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <8CB1C8903F3C485-180-165@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>
References: <492AF06B.4000407@gmail.com>,
	<8CB1C8903F3C485-180-165@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <492B4D6E.5605.96A195@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 24 Nov 2008 at 15:18, cdsull502@aol.com wrote:

> I have it on good authority that when the inmates at? the Guantanamo
> Camp?get out of hand, the guards play Barry Mainilow's Greatest Hits
> Album over the PA system.?? The misbehaving?prisoners quickly cease
> their nefarious activities --- they promise the guards that they will
> behave provided they don't have to listen to the record.? Mr. Manilow
> should be congratulated on his service to our country.????
 
Several years ago, I read that a store at a shopping mall was 
bothered by teenagers hanging around in the vicinity.  They took care 
of the problem by playing Frank Sinatra records.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov 25 00:57:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:57:18 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811241859v1305ad66k31b99c852907bd1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
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On 24 Nov 2008 at 20:59, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Met Bishop Sheen in 1970 when I worked on Cardinal Cushing's funeral
> and WNAC had him for commentary.
> 
> Strange thing about how the funeral was covered. Back then there were
> only 3 color remote trucks in town (5,38 and 27) yet WNAC handled the
> pool coverage bringing in the WOR truck. I never found out the reason
> why RKO General took on that role.
> 
> I remember on Saturday nights that Sheen later went head to head with
> Jackie Gleason on ABC after Dumont folded.

Bishop Sheen, on DuMont, was on Tuesday nights opposite Milton Berle 
and was the first program to give Berle ratings competition.  Berle 
commented that Bishop Sheen had better writers:  Mark, Matthew, Luke, 
....  Since his show was the Texaco Star Theater, he said that he and 
Bishop Sheen had the same sponsor:  Sky Chief.  (A few years later, 
he might have said "Sky Chief Supreme"!)

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 01:36:21 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:36:21 -0500
Subject: Small-town news
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark><4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com><1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044><19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown><4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com><5989E695912B4A6093E96871D6412287@DougDrown><001c01c94e65$0c855d60$9b904c0c@oemcomputer><29E824028375482188553DC4FFFB87CC@DougDrown><A7CDF0414BDB4E0F871BE4127D7F6FD6@MainXPPro>
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> Paul Walker
> www.onairdj.com

Just curious...whatever happenned to WABV?

It's off the air?


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 01:42:49 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:42:49 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<8CB1C875610B64A-B30-583@WEBMAIL-MY24.sysops.aol.com>,
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>> I remember on Saturday nights that Sheen later went head to head with
>> Jackie Gleason on ABC after Dumont folded.
>
> Bishop Sheen, on DuMont, was on Tuesday nights opposite Milton Berle
> and was the first program to give Berle ratings competition.  Berle
> commented that Bishop Sheen had better writers:  Mark, Matthew, Luke,


At the time, did having Bishop Sheen on TV every week bother the Jewish 
Community at all?

Since I grew up thinking everyone was Catholic, I was wondering what the 
perspective of others was...

What did Jewish people make of this guy?






>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
> 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 02:00:36 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:00:36 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <492B9412.2020100@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770811241926i7e58749au991f7c92062636c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<492B9412.2020100@fybush.com>
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6-B was indeed the Carson/Paar studio.

I know 10 years ago 6-B still had seating but I believe I saw that the
studio was gutted when they upgraded to HD.

6-A was the home of Letterman ( both morning and late night ) and that
is how Bill Wendell became his announcer because he was assigned to
that studio. Wendell also worked in 6-A for Ernie Kovacks.

I never understood why NBC used tiny 6-B for Carson when they had
larger studios nearby. The Price is Right (Bill Cullen) was done 2
blocks north of Radio City at the Ziegfeld Theater simply because they
could not get the prizes into 30 Rock.

Any major production was shot in Brooklyn (Peter Pan, Mitch Miller)

And we all know the story of how the announcer in 8-H told WNBC he
would retire when this new show he was given in 1975 was cancelled.
Don Pardo really never retired until he hit 90.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov 25 03:06:58 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:06:58 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
Message-ID: <20081125080659.8C1F383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Curtis Sliwa had on the judge in question tonight (WTKK, KABC, etc.) Stuff
like Manilow, classical music, etc., gets played--even some music the
judge himself recorded. 

I had heard a convenience store got rid of teens hanging around
outside by playing elevator music.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 03:11:48 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:11:48 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <D44B85171BDC40CF9E453E1C0533D630@MainXPPro>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8CB1C875610B64A-B30-583@WEBMAIL-MY24.sysops.aol.com>
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Fronm all accounts they repected him very much. He was a supporter of
the formation of Israel and preached for Catholics to love the Jews.

It is well documented that Cardinal Spellman tried to muzzel him and could not.

Now it leads to an interesting question. I have to assume Channel 7
must have picked up the Dumont feed of Sheen (WBZ certainly could not
show Milton Berle) If Sheen was on WTAO-TV he alone would have sold
thousands of converter boxes in heavily Catholic Boston of the 50's
and the station might have survived. Professor Halper?

Spellman also hated Cushing and was responsible for making him wait a
full decade to become a Cardinal. Cushing did silence another
notorious radio priest (Father Feeny)who was not kindly to the Jews
and exiled him to Harvard, Mass.


On 11/25/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I remember on Saturday nights that Sheen later went head to head with
>>> Jackie Gleason on ABC after Dumont folded.
>>
>> Bishop Sheen, on DuMont, was on Tuesday nights opposite Milton Berle
>> and was the first program to give Berle ratings competition.  Berle
>> commented that Bishop Sheen had better writers:  Mark, Matthew, Luke,
>
>
> At the time, did having Bishop Sheen on TV every week bother the Jewish
> Community at all?
>
> Since I grew up thinking everyone was Catholic, I was wondering what the
> perspective of others was...
>
> What did Jewish people make of this guy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>>
>
>

From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 07:10:37 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:10:37 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <492B9412.2020100@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770811241926i7e58749au991f7c92062636c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<492B9412.2020100@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <492BEB3D.6040401@gmail.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:
> Useless trivia: I've never been inside 6A. Every time I've managed to 
> weasel my way into 30 Rock for a tour, there's been something - either 
> a Conan taping or a private event - going on there. (But I have stood 
> in the SNL host spot on the floor of 8H and promised the empty room 
> that "we've got a great show for you tonight, so stick around"...) //
A friend and I went to see Letterman years ago in 6A. We were lucky to 
be among the "first-12" in line so we got in first and sat up in front. 
Don't know if it's still the case but Letterman wanted the first 12 in 
line to get in before any suits or VIPs so the camera pan wouldn't be 
all gray flannel in the front row. 

Tom Snyder was one of the guests iirc. Great experience. The studio 
seemed mammoth to me.  That was back when Letterman was funny.

Walking through the studios was a great experience.  I recall "Golden 
Girls" was the big money maker for the network. Nothing like a life 
sized poster of Estelle Getty at every turn.....

Bill O'Neill
//

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 07:37:07 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:37:07 EST
Subject: The importance of local talk radio 
Message-ID: <c34.481d024a.365d4b73@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/25/2008 1:37:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

"Definitely not WABC.  I think it was either WNBC or  WHN."
 
He went to WYNY when NBC still was in radio.
 
Mike




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From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 07:44:28 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:44:28 EST
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B 
Message-ID: <cae.39bdc257.365d4d2c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/25/2008 1:37:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>So what happens to 6-B? I have fond memories of seeing the  Carson show
tape their quite a few times as it was always easy to get in  back
then.

I believe the audience portion of the studio is still  intact so I
wonder what the plans are for that famous  studio.<<<
 
Studio 6-B is just a large spacious studio. They used the entire thing for  
the news and a good part of it was converted into the "Weather Center".   Spent 
lots of time in that part of the studio during the summer. We would have a  
feed of the doppler radar to Skypath, our KU-band satellite system, so we  
could see rain cells headed our way. It would give is time to get the Burbank  
uplink online to avaid a fade.
 
Mike
 
 
 





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From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 07:56:22 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:56:22 EST
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
Message-ID: <d2a.3aa8613f.365d4ff6@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/25/2008 1:37:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

"Something deep in the recesses of my brain tells me 6B was also used  for 
the Today Show at some point before it moved downstairs to the new 1A  
across the street from 30 Rock."
 
Before the Today show moved across the street it originated from one of the  
third floor studios. The third floor was the News floor back then and all news 
 programming originated from there.
 
When Letterman was at NBC he would frequently go across the hall to  WNBC 
local, during station breaks, and steal their guests. Both studios were  used for 
early TV and old radio programs back in the day. 
 
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From cdsull502@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 09:41:27 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:41:27 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio--RE: Bishop Sheen 
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811250011w3cd36ec2r3ef28d771777fdb9@mail.gmail.com>
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In addition to Kevin's observations concerning Bishop Sheen:?? His remarks tended to center on universal religious truths--love your neighbor,? respect the beliefs of others, etc.? About the only group that he had real problems with?and preached against?were the Russian?Communists.? He was not a big fan of (quite properly) Joesph Stalin.????


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: boston Radio Group <>
Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 3:11 am
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio



Fronm all accounts they repected him very much. He was a supporter of
the formation of Israel and preached for Catholics to love the Jews.

It is well documented that Cardinal Spellman tried to muzzel him and could not.

Now it leads to an interesting question. I have to assume Channel 7
must have picked up the Dumont feed of Sheen (WBZ certainly could not
show Milton Berle) If Sheen was on WTAO-TV he alone would have sold
thousands of converter boxes in heavily Catholic Boston of the 50's
and the station might have survived. Professor Halper?

Spellman also hated Cushing and was responsible for making him wait a
full decade to become a Cardinal. Cushing did silence another
notorious radio priest (Father Feeny)who was not kindly to the Jews
and exiled him to Harvard, Mass.


On 11/25/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I remember on Saturday nights that Sheen later went head to head with
>>> Jackie Gleason on ABC after Dumont folded.
>>
>> Bishop Sheen, on DuMont, was on Tuesday nights opposite Milton Berle
>> and was the first program to give Berle ratings competition.  Berle
>> commented that Bishop Sheen had better writers:  Mark, Matthew, Luke,
>
>
> At the time, did having Bishop Sheen on TV every week bother the Jewish
> Community at all?
>
> Since I grew up thinking everyone was Catholic, I was wondering what the
> perspective of others was...
>
> What did Jewish people make of this guy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>>
>
>


From cdsull502@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 09:59:02 2008
From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:59:02 -0500
Subject: On Air Obits
Message-ID: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>

I remember driving through rural Texas a few years ago and listening to a local station do their daily obit program, apparently broadcast each day at 12:05.?? Regretfully, on the day I was listening, no one in town had died which made for a very short program.?? They were able to come up with the name of one person?that?had passed away who?used to live in town but had moved to Houston some years back -- so the show was not a total bust!??

From blainethompson@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 10:16:50 2008
From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:16:50 -0500
Subject: On Air Obits
In-Reply-To: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7bded94e0811250716j1484a0ebte7affb268621a1e5@mail.gmail.com>

The more important question is - once the advertising dollars dried up for
sponsorship (for the daily obits), did management stick a fork in the
program? :-)

I have heard daily obituaries read on the radio at several different
stations.  I know of a few who do it around here (I don't live in BRI
territory, y'see.)

- Blaine

From Jay.Ballard@abc.com  Tue Nov 25 10:07:46 2008
From: Jay.Ballard@abc.com (Ballard, Jay)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:07:46 +0000
Subject: Studio 6B-30 Rock
Message-ID: <8B931F496458484E8C38FDB592CBA2A608A029A0@SM-NYNY-VXMB01B.nena.wdpr.disney.com>

6B lost its audience seating area much longer than ten years ago.  It was done to accomodate "Newscenter 4".  I recall the demolition very well-the studio cameras were not even protected from the cement dust!

6B will become the home of Jimmy Fallon, from what my former colleagues say.

Regards

J Ballard
ABC-TV 

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Nov 25 10:40:44 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:40:44 -0500
Subject: On Air Obits
References: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A8E663F5B19C457BB150D56467100A0E@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdsull502@aol.com>

>I remember driving through rural Texas a few years ago and listening to a 
>local station do their daily obit program, apparently broadcast each day at 
>12:05.?? Regretfully, on the day I was listening, no one in town had died 
>which made for a very short program.?? They were able to come up with the 
>name of one person?that?had passed away who?used to live in town but had 
>moved to Houston some years back -- so the show was not a total bust!?? <<

my first experience with hearing on-air obits was in St.Thomas 26 years ago 
(on the honeymoon with the still-fabulous Debbie) and they were on like 
clockwork each afternoon around 2pm or so.

--Chuck Igo 


From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 10:51:04 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:51:04 -0500
Subject: On Air Obits
In-Reply-To: <A8E663F5B19C457BB150D56467100A0E@Family>
References: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
	<A8E663F5B19C457BB150D56467100A0E@Family>
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Chuck Igo wrote:
> my first experience with hearing on-air obits was in St.Thomas 26 
> years ago (on the honeymoon with the still-fabulous Debbie) and they 
> were on like clockwork each afternoon around 2pm or so.
>
> --Chuck Igo
For some reason I can't get that George Carlin bit out of my mind where 
he talks about watching old movies on TV with friends and all you hear 
is "He's dead. And he's dead.  She's also dead.  That guy's not dead 
yet.  Is he dead?  Oh, he's long dead...."

Could make for a good, marketable product, "Who's dead?" 

Bill O'Neill

From fox893@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 10:56:58 2008
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:56:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On Air Obits
In-Reply-To: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <406676.32133.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

years ago, one of the stations in my group (WMWV) did obits.


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, cdsull502@aol.com <cdsull502@aol.com> wrote:

> From: cdsull502@aol.com <cdsull502@aol.com>
> Subject: On Air Obits
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:59 AM
> I remember driving through rural Texas a few years ago and
> listening to a local station do their daily obit program,
> apparently broadcast each day at 12:05.?? Regretfully, on
> the day I was listening, no one in town had died which made
> for a very short program.?? They were able to come up with
> the name of one person?that?had passed away who?used to live
> in town but had moved to Houston some years back -- so the
> show was not a total bust!??


      

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 11:34:34 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:34:34 -0500
Subject: On Air Obits
References: <8CB1D257CD9D414-175C-AE6@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com>
	<7bded94e0811250716j1484a0ebte7affb268621a1e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C11DAD744ED04E979AD327F0C8F4CA83@MainXPPro>




> The more important question is - once the advertising dollars dried up for
> sponsorship (for the daily obits), did management stick a fork in the
> program? :-)

You find another florist in town.

It's the easiest sell in town.  Someone hears the obituaries, and 
immediately wants to send flowers.

If you can't sell an obituary program to the local florist, then you should 
not be selling radio. 


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 12:19:48 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:19:48 EST
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B 
Message-ID: <c2c.4b207193.365d8db4@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:44:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

And we  all know the story of how the announcer in 8-H told WNBC he
would retire  when this new show he was given in 1975 was cancelled.
Don Pardo really  never retired until he hit 90.
 
If you want to hear some interesting stories of TV and radio long ago Don  
Pardo can talk your ear off. He told me that when he started in radio he was  
required to wear a tux to work. He use to practice that SNL opening before the  
show for at least a half hour before they actually did the rehearsal. 
 
Don did well.Don did very well. He used to complain about how much he  used 
to have to pay in taxes.
 
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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Nov 25 12:25:02 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:25:02 -0500
Subject: Turner pleads case--on pirate station
Message-ID: <20081125172502.B39AA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1134665

The Herald reports that Chuck Turner plead his case on a Boston radio station's morning show
but it wasn't a legal outlet. Touch FM 106.1 had the embattled Boston city councillor on--not the
first time he's appeared on the station which owes $17,000 to the federal government. Owner
Charles Clemons says he won't pay his fine because "it's an admission of guilt" and said
that the incoming President supports a "Local Community Radio Act" that would allow more
low powered stations to be on.



From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 12:48:35 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:48:35 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <c2c.4b207193.365d8db4@aol.com>
References: <c2c.4b207193.365d8db4@aol.com>
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TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:
> And we  all know the story of how the announcer in 8-H told WNBC he
> would retire  when this new show he was given in 1975 was cancelled.
> Don Pardo really  never retired until he hit 90.
Someone should be helping Pardo with his memoir for goodness sake. What 
are we waiting for, 100? Not that the next ten years won't be action 
packed, but this guy _started_ his SNL gig when he was _57_. The stories 
he could tell.  BTW, I thought I heard Pardo intro'ing the Palin bits 
this season.

Aside from Paul Harvey, there are few who have been behind a mic this 
late in life.

Bill O'Neill

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Nov 25 13:05:12 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:05:12 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <492C3A73.3020101@gmail.com>
References: <c2c.4b207193.365d8db4@aol.com> <492C3A73.3020101@gmail.com>
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>>Someone should be helping Pardo with his memoir for goodness sake. What 
are we waiting for, 100? Not that the next ten years won't be action 
packed, but this guy _started_ his SNL gig when he was _57_. The stories 
he could tell.  BTW, I thought I heard Pardo intro'ing the Palin bits 
this season.<<

Do a YouTube search on his name, and you'll find multiple installments of an oral history he did a few years back.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 13:21:36 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:21:36 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
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While he has officially retired from NBC and has moved to Arizona,
Lorne Michaels flies him in for SNL to this day.

I have heard him tell the story that he was upset at NBC when they
pulled the plug on a popular game show he was working on in 1975
called Jackpot because they needed 8-H for SNL. He was convinced SNL
would last 13 weeks.

NBC wanted to move Jackpot to Burbank but producer Bob Stewart would
not leave NYC because he had a cash cow at CBS called $10000 Pyramid
that taped at the Sullivan.

He also told the story of how his good friend Johnny Olson told him to
stay in NY as Olson came to hate California but when Goodson-Todman
stopped producing in NYC in favor of LA and Montreal (yes Montreal)
Olson moved west.



On 11/25/08, Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com> wrote:
> TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:
>> And we  all know the story of how the announcer in 8-H told WNBC he
>> would retire  when this new show he was given in 1975 was cancelled.
>> Don Pardo really  never retired until he hit 90.
> Someone should be helping Pardo with his memoir for goodness sake. What
> are we waiting for, 100? Not that the next ten years won't be action
> packed, but this guy _started_ his SNL gig when he was _57_. The stories
> he could tell.  BTW, I thought I heard Pardo intro'ing the Palin bits
> this season.
>
> Aside from Paul Harvey, there are few who have been behind a mic this
> late in life.
>
> Bill O'Neill
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Nov 25 13:42:57 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:42:57 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
References: <c2c.4b207193.365d8db4@aol.com> <492C3A73.3020101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DB5B03094CC4F1CB1C7DEF68A827AF2@SatU205S5044>

George Putnam. If he is no longer living, he died very recently
(meaning within the last few months) at the age of 93. If Putnam is
still living, I think that makes him a few years older than Paul
Harvery is now, or if Putnam is no longer living it made him a few
years older at the time of his death than Paul Harvey is now. I
remember Putnam as an announcer on the Blue Network (name later
changed to ABC Radio) during World War II. Then for some unknown
reason he started calling himself George Carson Putnam.

Anyhow, I though he had died years ago until, maybe six months ago, I
caught his program on CRNI/NRN (networks that are carried locally on
WBIX). At one point, I though I caught an obit for Putnam, but then a
few nights later I heard his program again. At first I thought it must
have been a show that he recorded before he died but the content
seemed to be too up-to-date for that. So I don't know whether he is
dead or alive, but if alive, he is quite old. And dead or alive, he is
or was an arch conservative. And dead or alive, he has apparently lost
the middle name.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
To: <TVNETDUDE@aol.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: 30 Rock Studio 6-B


> TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:
>> And we  all know the story of how the announcer in 8-H told WNBC he
>> would retire  when this new show he was given in 1975 was
>> cancelled.
>> Don Pardo really  never retired until he hit 90.
> Someone should be helping Pardo with his memoir for goodness sake.
> What are we waiting for, 100? Not that the next ten years won't be
> action packed, but this guy _started_ his SNL gig when he was _57_.
> The stories he could tell.  BTW, I thought I heard Pardo intro'ing
> the Palin bits this season.
>
> Aside from Paul Harvey, there are few who have been behind a mic
> this late in life.
>
> Bill O'Neill


From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 13:51:45 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:51:45 -0500
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <6DB5B03094CC4F1CB1C7DEF68A827AF2@SatU205S5044>
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> And dead or alive, he has apparently lost
> the middle name.

It that's all I lose by 93 I'll be one happy camper. <g>

b -

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 14:23:16 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:23:16 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <6DB5B03094CC4F1CB1C7DEF68A827AF2@SatU205S5044>
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	<6DB5B03094CC4F1CB1C7DEF68A827AF2@SatU205S5044>
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Putnam died on September 12th of this year.

For the past 20 years or so WMAQ-TV uses New York based announcers on the news.

I also recall Art Lake at WJAR telling me that he was hired in 1944 to
replace Pardo at WJAR when Don got hired by NBC.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 14:47:15 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:47:15 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811251123w4b799876l4aca26a82de2bdf3@mail.gmail.com>
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In talking about NBC we should note that last week was the 40th
anniversary of Heidi which was NBC's BOC darkest moment.

To show how things have changed..back in 1968 there was only one
constant line between New York and Burbank and when they wanted to
change direction ATT Long Lines had to do it in Iowa. Burbank had
control of the game from Oakland but the work order for ATT was to
switch back to NYC BOC at 6:59:40 EST.

BTW I am always amused by Bostonians who say they remember Heidi. It
didn't affect WBZ at all as channel 4 had the Patriots at Kansas City
which ended on time.

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Tue Nov 25 15:16:43 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:16:43 EST
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
Message-ID: <be6.3cb8088a.365db72b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/25/2008 2:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
kvahey@comcast.net writes:

In  talking about NBC we should note that last week was the 40th
anniversary of  Heidi which was NBC's BOC darkest moment.

To show how things have  changed..back in 1968 there was only one
constant line between New York and  Burbank and when they wanted to
change direction ATT Long Lines had to do  it in Iowa. Burbank had
control of the game from Oakland but the work order  for ATT was to
switch back to NYC BOC at 6:59:40  EST.







That was before my time. After that happened there was red phone in BOC  
designated the Heidi phone as a hot line so that wouldn't happen again. 
 
Mike

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From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov 25 16:12:12 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:12:12 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811250011w3cd36ec2r3ef28d771777fdb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<D44B85171BDC40CF9E453E1C0533D630@MainXPPro>,
	<4fc429770811250011w3cd36ec2r3ef28d771777fdb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492C23DC.31526.37B2CA@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 25 Nov 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Now it leads to an interesting question. I have to assume Channel 7
> must have picked up the Dumont feed of Sheen (WBZ certainly could not
> show Milton Berle) If Sheen was on WTAO-TV he alone would have sold
> thousands of converter boxes in heavily Catholic Boston of the 50's
> and the station might have survived. Professor Halper?

For some reason, my mother liked Bishop Sheen, which is why I 
remember him.  He was on channel 7 at the time.  Berle was on channel 
4.

When we moved to Albany, Bishop Sheen was on WRGB (on channel 4 at 
the time) on Sunday afternoon. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 16:28:35 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:28:35 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <492C23DC.31526.37B2CA@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<D44B85171BDC40CF9E453E1C0533D630@MainXPPro>
	<4fc429770811250011w3cd36ec2r3ef28d771777fdb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<492C23DC.31526.37B2CA@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811251328n12826e07v40872fe9e8cc558d@mail.gmail.com>

Sheen had a good sense of humor. One night he came on and said 'Hi I'm
Uncle Fulty'

Paley must have been thrilled WNAC dumped CBS for Sheen.

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Nov 25 16:38:53 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:38:53 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<D44B85171BDC40CF9E453E1C0533D630@MainXPPro>,
	<4fc429770811250011w3cd36ec2r3ef28d771777fdb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<492C23DC.31526.37B2CA@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <6101527BD646444890ECA494F020DB43@DougDrown>

Bishop Sheen was highly respected by people of many faiths, and he had a 
very large following, as you suggest, among non-Catholics.  In addition to 
having been supported by Cardinal Cushing, he had several things going for 
him: he was handsome and thus telegenic; he was a very good preacher; he was 
ecumenical long before the term became popular; and he had a wonderful Irish 
wit and a twinkle in his eye.

Later in his life he became Archbishop of Rochester, N.Y., if memory serves, 
and to some extent he continued his television ministry.  I recall him being 
the preacher at a televised three-hour Good Friday service at Hynes 
Auditorium sometime in the early- to mid-'70s.   A remarkable man.   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Cc: "boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> On 25 Nov 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> Now it leads to an interesting question. I have to assume Channel 7
>> must have picked up the Dumont feed of Sheen (WBZ certainly could not
>> show Milton Berle) If Sheen was on WTAO-TV he alone would have sold
>> thousands of converter boxes in heavily Catholic Boston of the 50's
>> and the station might have survived. Professor Halper?
>
> For some reason, my mother liked Bishop Sheen, which is why I
> remember him.  He was on channel 7 at the time.  Berle was on channel
> 4.
>
> When we moved to Albany, Bishop Sheen was on WRGB (on channel 4 at
> the time) on Sunday afternoon.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com
>
> 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Nov 25 16:44:29 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:44:29 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>
	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<D837B85422FF4E92AA6D68CEC90CFF8D@mediacenter>
	<4fc429770811240901j4cbd5e45t707f1550e9614066@mail.gmail.com>
	<C901C57CA77048BD989543299F0F7CDB@DougDrown>
	<CB7967B4C6B549079C0FF08165B36A9E@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>

Jonathan Schwartz worked at WNAC in the early '60s; in fact, he may have 
been there right up until the switch to Top 40.  I'm not sure.

He was at WQEW during its brief and memorable life as WNEW's "successor."  I 
don't know what he's doing now.

-Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; 
"Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio


> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, Norm Tulin went from WORL to WHN
> in New York. His air name in the Big Apple was Norm Stevens. Bill
> Marlowe worked at the same New York station as Tulin did, though not
> at the same time. When Marlowe worked there, I think the calls were
> WMGM. The station definitely had those calls at some point but I could
> be wrong about the calls being WMGM when Marlowe worked there. Didn't
> Palmer Payne move from WNAC or WRKO to WOR while both stations were
> still owned by RKO General? One would think that more WNAC/WRKO
> personalities would have found their way to WOR when the stations were
> co-owned. In fact, Marlowe might have been one of them. Didn't he do
> Music from Studio X on both WOR and WNAC (not as a simulcast but in
> different years)?
>
> And don't forget the road from Boston to New York will also get you
> from New York to Boston. Ed Walsh, who now anchors AM drive at WBZ
> (AM) grew up in the Boston area and, I guess, worked in radio here
> (though I don't know where) before making his way to New York, where
> he worked at WOR and WCBS before he returned to Boston.
>
> Oh, and I'm sure that nobody else remembers when Jonathan Schwartz
> (now of Sirius/XM, but also of the late WNEW (AM), WNYC, and maybe
> WQEW in its pre-Disney days) worked at WNAC. So he too went from
> Boston to New York. But he also went from New York to Boston. His
> first radio gig was at Pacifica's WBAI (FM).
>
> And going back even further, did Morgan Baker of the Housewives'
> Protective League program on the old WEEI 590 go to the Housewives'
> Protective League program on WCBS, where he assumed the air name of
> Galen Drake? The hosts in the various cities were selected because
> they sounded the same. All had great radio voices. If Baker did, in
> fact, make such a move, I doubt whether any listeners even noticed.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
> To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>
>
>> Kevin: You are correct; Palmer Payne did news at WOR after leaving
>> WRKO. There was another fellow whom I believe also worked at both
>> stations (though I may be wrong); his first name was Roger and he
>> had a last name that I could never quite catch --- something like
>> "Skivenas."  Ring any bells with anyone?
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
>> Cc: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Dan.Strassberg"
>> <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group"
>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>
>>
>>> Boston for some reason was not a great feeder for NY radio. Frank
>>> Kingston Smith did land at WABC and I am pretty sure Palmer Payne
>>> worked in NYC as well. Chicago got from Boston JJ Jeffrey, Chuck
>>> Knapp, Jerry Williams, Paul Benzaquin, Larry Lujack and Roy Leonard
>>> to
>>> name a few.
>>>
>>> Buffalo sent many to Boston including Stan Roberts, Jackson
>>> Armstrong
>>> and Bud Bullou.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/24/08, Alan Tolz <atolz@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Actually, the pipeline between Hartford and Philadelphia was quite
>>>> strong in
>>>> the 1960's as Jim Nettleton, John Wade, Bill Corsair (on the talk
>>>> radio
>>>> side) and others went from WPOP and WDRC to WFIL with regularity.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
>>>> Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio
>>>> Group"
>>>> <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We have talked about this before but before satellite programming
>>>>> took
>>>>> hold New England had a baseball like farm system for radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bangor, Burlington, Pittsfield were class A
>>>>> Manchester, Portland, Worcester, Springfield were AA
>>>>>
>>>>> Providence and Hartford AAA  and then Boston
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Boston became a feeder not so much for New York but
>>>>> Chicago.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember Springfield having 2 great Top 40 stations WHYN and
>>>>> WTXL.
>>>>> Worcester WORC and WAAB, Providence WPRO and WICE and Hartford
>>>>> WPOP
>>>>> and WDRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a number of smaller stations also had talk shows and actual
>>>>> newsrooms. I remember in the late 60's visiting a friend at WNBP
>>>>> and
>>>>> the lead story was how the fire department rescued a cat from a
>>>>> tree.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Nov 25 16:45:10 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:45:10 -0500
Subject: One More
References: <8CB1C7BE167E2AA-1510-6E4@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <16B0DDD79F484749B86EC72DCE3451D9@DougDrown>

Same Bob Walker who did news for WPTR in the early '60s?   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdsull502@aol.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: One More


> Wasn't Bob Walker, longtime anchor for ABC radio, an alumni of WRKO?

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Nov 25 16:54:55 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:54:55 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
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	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>
	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
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	<C901C57CA77048BD989543299F0F7CDB@DougDrown>
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	<2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81C5BF83D56@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Jonathan Schwartz worked at WNAC in the early '60s; in fact, he may have 
been there right up until the switch to Top 40.  I'm not sure.

He was at WQEW during its brief and memorable life as WNEW's "successor."  I 
don't know what he's doing now.<<

A weekly show on WNYC, and he's also PD and host on Sirius-XM's Siriusly Sinatra channel.  (He even patched up his long-standing feud with Nancy Sinatra, and the two are co-hosting some shows on Siriusly Sinatra.)


From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 16:57:20 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:57:20 -0600
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>
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	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4fc429770811240901j4cbd5e45t707f1550e9614066@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CB7967B4C6B549079C0FF08165B36A9E@SatU205S5044>
	<2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811251357x1ab7d0e0q187e3e8615930d3f@mail.gmail.com>

Schwartz for the past few years has programmed XM's standards channel.
I don't know if he survived the merger.

He also does weekends at WNYC

From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:05:36 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:05:36 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811251357x1ab7d0e0q187e3e8615930d3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>	<4929DDB2.7522.ACB939@joe.attorneyross.com>	<1305856E6C5E487A938D50891DCBD50C@SatU205S5044>	<19B604E63F584200BABC7874827CFA25@DougDrown>	<4fc429770811240821u6e55ec21ica790a56067dda4c@mail.gmail.com>	<D837B85422FF4E92AA6D68CEC90CFF8D@mediacenter>	<4fc429770811240901j4cbd5e45t707f1550e9614066@mail.gmail.com>	<C901C57CA77048BD989543299F0F7CDB@DougDrown>	<CB7967B4C6B549079C0FF08165B36A9E@SatU205S5044>	<2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
	<4fc429770811251357x1ab7d0e0q187e3e8615930d3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492C76B0.2080107@gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Schwartz for the past few years has programmed XM's standards channel.
> I don't know if he survived the merger.
>
> He also does weekends at WNYC
>
>   
Schwartz was super to listen to over the late and very great 1130 WNEW.  
Not sure how long he was there but definitely during the Metromedia 
days.  He made it over to the WQEW experiment that almost made it until 
the mouse infested, er, I mean took over 1560.

Bill O'Neill

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 10:39:52 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:39:52 -0600
Subject: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
In-Reply-To: <d2a.3aa8613f.365d4ff6@aol.com>
References: <d2a.3aa8613f.365d4ff6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811250739q27bfa161ra08046e86d0068fa@mail.gmail.com>

4-A and 4-B were the game show studios for the most part. (I believe
there was also a smaller 4-C where Concentration was done in the 60's)

The 4th floor studios became the home of many syndicated game and talk
shows such as What's My Line, To Tell The Truth, Donahue, Rosie and
others.

SNL may have saved the NY audience studios from being closed. The
thinking was to move all shows to Burbank in the 70's and the famed
Peacock Studio (8-H) was in bad shape when SNL started in 1975.

The most striking thing about 30 Rock was they were able to do so much
with very limited space. While massive for radio it became a challenge
for TV and especially when converted to color.

30 Rock is without question a living broadcast museum.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Nov 25 19:05:44 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:05:44 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005201c94dca$af7c9600$0302a8c0@Mark>
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	<2DD036BF63A54F949D4E1829BC05BA4A@DougDrown>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Doug Drown
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:44 PM
> To: Dan.Strassberg; Kevin Vahey; Alan Tolz
> Cc: Boston Radio Group
> Subject: Re: The importance of local talk radio
> 
> Jonathan Schwartz worked at WNAC in the early '60s; in fact, 
> he may have been there right up until the switch to Top 40.  
> I'm not sure.
> 
> He was at WQEW during its brief and memorable life as WNEW's 
> "successor."  I don't know what he's doing now.

He's on SiriusXM these days, and also does a weekend show on WNYC in New
York.

I seem to remember that he also did a rock show on WNEW-FM for a while,
before returning to the standards on WNEW(AM).


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


From kwillcox@wnsh.com  Tue Nov 25 22:00:28 2008
From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:00:28 -0500
Subject: putnam rip
Message-ID: <492C757C.18783.12BC63F@kwillcox.wnsh.com>

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From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 26 02:00:47 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:00:47 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <6101527BD646444890ECA494F020DB43@DougDrown>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<6101527BD646444890ECA494F020DB43@DougDrown>
Message-ID: <492CADCF.25869.8B6712@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 25 Nov 2008 at 16:38, Doug Drown wrote:

> Bishop Sheen was highly respected by people of many faiths, and he had
> a very large following, as you suggest, among non-Catholics.  In
> addition to having been supported by Cardinal Cushing, he had several
> things going for him: he was handsome and thus telegenic; he was a
> very good preacher; he was ecumenical long before the term became
> popular; and he had a wonderful Irish wit and a twinkle in his eye.

I've seen him fairly recently on one of the Catholic cable channels. 
I wonder when he died.
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 26 02:00:47 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:00:47 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811251328n12826e07v40872fe9e8cc558d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<492C23DC.31526.37B2CA@Joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<4fc429770811251328n12826e07v40872fe9e8cc558d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492CADCF.13892.8B68E7@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 25 Nov 2008 at 15:28, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Sheen had a good sense of humor. One night he came on and said 'Hi I'm
> Uncle Fulty'

I've heard that Milton Berle called him that.

He is also supposed to have dropped in on a Howdy Doody Show 
rehearsal, where he was called "Holy Doody" and "Howdy Diety."
 
> Paley must have been thrilled WNAC dumped CBS for Sheen.

I don't know that CBS had much on at that hour.  It is said that 
Berle dominated his Tuesday night time slot so thoroughly that no 
sponsored programs were put opposite him.  Supposedly Bishop Sheen 
was the first show to get any ratings against Berle.

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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Nov 26 11:53:47 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:53:47 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows (only Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the flagship and it's usually Boston-based talk--
certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just about all syndicated. They're doing a news
show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently) Joe Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show. I think they do Coast to Coast after that.
(The news about "Morning Joe" comes from Tom Taylor's email-provided radio-info.com column.)

A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all syndicated talk, though. As we've said local
talk is important, but it's a sign of cost-cutting (such as at WRKO, where the 10-noon slot had been local
for some time but got turned over to Ingraham).

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 12:08:56 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:08:56 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
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The difference being that most of the WABC shows originate with WABC....and 
some shows that started on WABC and then were syndicated to others.

Which is vastly different than picking up and pluggin in a Michael Savage 
from the midwest, Laura Ingraham from wherever, and Rush from Florida.

>>
Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows (only 
Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the flagship and 
it's usually Boston-based talk--
certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just about all 
syndicated. They're doing a news
show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently) Joe 
Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show.
A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all syndicated 
talk, though.
<<


From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 12:17:20 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:17:20 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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To a point it is "vastly different" ...
But if the subject matters for the locally produced syndicated shows are
about national and international issues 
and not NYC stuff, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference if the host is
at WABC studios or 
in a ski chalet somewhere ...

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Don A
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Bob Nelson; BostonRadio Mailing List
Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows


The difference being that most of the WABC shows originate with WABC....and 
some shows that started on WABC and then were syndicated to others.

Which is vastly different than picking up and pluggin in a Michael Savage 
from the midwest, Laura Ingraham from wherever, and Rush from Florida.

>>
Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows (only 
Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the flagship and

it's usually Boston-based talk--
certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just about all 
syndicated. They're doing a news
show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently) Joe 
Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show.
A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all syndicated 
talk, though.
<<


From atolz@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 12:27:40 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:27:40 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>

It's a sad commentary on the state of available "major market" talk radio 
talent.  Bob Grant will be 80 years old. His contemporaries - Jerry 
Williams, Michael Jackson, Stan Major, Allan Burke, are all retired or gone.

Nobody came up the ranks that did not catch the syndication bug.  In a 
different time, Glen Beck would have "graduated" from New Haven, CT to New 
York or Philly rather than going syndicated, where he's on WPHT in 
Philadelphia from 9-noon anyway.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows


Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows (only 
Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the flagship and 
it's usually Boston-based talk--
certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just about all 
syndicated. They're doing a news
show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently) Joe 
Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show. I think 
they do Coast to Coast after that.
(The news about "Morning Joe" comes from Tom Taylor's email-provided 
radio-info.com column.)

A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all syndicated 
talk, though. As we've said local
talk is important, but it's a sign of cost-cutting (such as at WRKO, where 
the 10-noon slot had been local
for some time but got turned over to Ingraham).


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 12:31:33 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:31:33 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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	<006601c94fea$d7197080$854c5180$@net>
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> To a point it is "vastly different" ...
> But if the subject matters for the locally produced syndicated shows are
> about national and international issues
> and not NYC stuff, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference if the host 
> is
> at WABC studios or
> in a ski chalet somewhere ...

True....

I noticed many people in Boston don't even realize Howie is syndicated to 
other stations....they think of him as a local.

I wonder if people in NYC think of Imus, Sliwa, Hannity, Levin as national 
shows.....or locals?

Then again, people in NYC tend to think they are the center of the universe 
and the world revolves around them.  ;-) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Nov 26 12:50:49 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:50:49 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18733.35961.823281.742785@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:53:47 -0500, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com> said:

> A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all
> syndicated talk, though. As we've said local talk is important, but
> it's a sign of cost-cutting

Citadel is in deep, deep financial trouble.  They spent way too much
to take on the ABC stations (effectively a leveraged buyout, even
though Disney shareholders ended up controlling the new company) and
now it's starting to hurt.  Wall Street analysts like Morningstar are
saying bankruptcy is a near certainty.

On the other hand, it looks like a brilliant move for Disney --
particularly if they end up buying the whole group from the creditors
next year for pennies on the dollar.  I'd also be on the lookout for
well-capitalized group owners, like Bonneville and Cox, to be making
selective acquisitions next year.

-GAWollman

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Nov 26 13:47:38 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:47:38 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Operators don't want to pay them anymore.  Producing a local show is  
expensive.  You have to obviously pay the talent (quite a bit if  
they're good) and also a producer and an engineer.  In this economy  
this just doesn't make sense.  Chances are even if a syndie show gets  
only half the ratings of a local program, the greatly reduced overhead  
makes the daypart a moneymaker.  Obviously shows like Rush Limbaugh  
which require cash considerations work a bit differently, but there's  
also an expectation that shows like his will perform well in the  
ratings.

Talk radio has done this to themselves.  They no longer have a "bench"  
of talent in smaller markets to choose from.  That format was among  
the first to automate most of it's broadcast day.  The major talkers  
used to have at least one or two local shows.  Now, even they are  
going all syndicated.   Local talk in the smaller markets has been  
dead for quite some time.  It's now hit the majors.  Welcome to the  
future.

It's not just talk either.  The syndication bug is invading music  
stations as well.  Clear Channel syndicates several regional morning  
shows in the CHR format.  If it wasn't for the success of Matty on  
Kiss, Boston would probably have Elvis Duran piped in from WHTZ/New  
York.  Ryan Seacrest's midday show is already on Kiss.  There are  
rumors that syndicated afternoon and night shows are being put  
together by the major groups to save money.  And it's not just Clear  
Channel.  Tom Kent was added to nights at WODS recently before the  
holiday flip.  Cumulus and Entercom are also toying with syndicating  
certain dayparts on their music stations.  The big companies have  
figured out that straight voicetracking just doesn't work.  However,  
developing and retaining true personalities at the local level is too  
cost prohibitive, especially in this economy.

-Dave Tomm


On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Alan Tolz wrote:

> It's a sad commentary on the state of available "major market" talk  
> radio talent.  Bob Grant will be 80 years old. His contemporaries -  
> Jerry Williams, Michael Jackson, Stan Major, Allan Burke, are all  
> retired or gone.
>
> Nobody came up the ranks that did not catch the syndication bug.  In  
> a different time, Glen Beck would have "graduated" from New Haven,  
> CT to New York or Philly rather than going syndicated, where he's on  
> WPHT in Philadelphia from 9-noon anyway.
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson"  
> <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org 
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:53 AM
> Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
>
>
> Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows  
> (only Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
> well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the  
> flagship and it's usually Boston-based talk--
> certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just  
> about all syndicated. They're doing a news
> show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently)  
> Joe Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
> Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show.  
> I think they do Coast to Coast after that.
> (The news about "Morning Joe" comes from Tom Taylor's email-provided  
> radio-info.com column.)
>
> A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all  
> syndicated talk, though. As we've said local
> talk is important, but it's a sign of cost-cutting (such as at WRKO,  
> where the 10-noon slot had been local
> for some time but got turned over to Ingraham).
>


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Nov 26 14:23:51 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:51 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081126192352.19EFA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

I guess WOR (Gambling, etc.) and WWRL (NYC's Air America station) do have some local
shows for local issues.

Here, it looked for awhile that WTKK would be non-stop local from 10 am till 1 am
with Graham, Eagan and Braude, Severin, McPhee, and Sliwa--then suddenly it became
apparent that Sliwa was aiming to do a national show instead of one just for WTKK.

WTKK doesn't have sports pre-empting a local show like McPhee (even WBZ's Dan
Rea has to put up with shot--SCORE!!! Bruins action cutting into his show)

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Nov 26 14:26:26 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:26:26 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081126192626.DD63649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Howie goes back and forth between local and national/international issues, often using the
6 pm hour for local. During the recent election campaign, he did a lot of talk about
the campaign; the bailout(s) have come up a lot recently, etc.--but it's not uncommon at
a point like now for him to do Wilkerson, Turner, DiMasi, tolls (well, that affects
people state-wide), Marzilli, etc. during other hours as well.



From atolz@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 14:33:28 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:33:28 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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	<935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>
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You're right, Dave...in fact, Clear Channel will soon offer only 15 music 
formats to be controlled from San Antonio and pumped out to all of the CC 
music format stations around the country.  I'm guessing that they will have 
"format-exclusive national voices" attached to them.

And you're right about the talk format hsitory, too...I remember working at 
a talk station in Philadelphia in the late 1970's with Bruce Williams from 
8-Midnight on one bird and Larry King overnight on the other.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows


> Operators don't want to pay them anymore.  Producing a local show is 
> expensive.  You have to obviously pay the talent (quite a bit if  they're 
> good) and also a producer and an engineer.  In this economy  this just 
> doesn't make sense.  Chances are even if a syndie show gets  only half the 
> ratings of a local program, the greatly reduced overhead  makes the 
> daypart a moneymaker.  Obviously shows like Rush Limbaugh  which require 
> cash considerations work a bit differently, but there's  also an 
> expectation that shows like his will perform well in the  ratings.
>
> Talk radio has done this to themselves.  They no longer have a "bench"  of 
> talent in smaller markets to choose from.  That format was among  the 
> first to automate most of it's broadcast day.  The major talkers  used to 
> have at least one or two local shows.  Now, even they are  going all 
> syndicated.   Local talk in the smaller markets has been  dead for quite 
> some time.  It's now hit the majors.  Welcome to the  future.
>
> It's not just talk either.  The syndication bug is invading music 
> stations as well.  Clear Channel syndicates several regional morning 
> shows in the CHR format.  If it wasn't for the success of Matty on  Kiss, 
> Boston would probably have Elvis Duran piped in from WHTZ/New  York.  Ryan 
> Seacrest's midday show is already on Kiss.  There are  rumors that 
> syndicated afternoon and night shows are being put  together by the major 
> groups to save money.  And it's not just Clear  Channel.  Tom Kent was 
> added to nights at WODS recently before the  holiday flip.  Cumulus and 
> Entercom are also toying with syndicating  certain dayparts on their music 
> stations.  The big companies have  figured out that straight voicetracking 
> just doesn't work.  However,  developing and retaining true personalities 
> at the local level is too  cost prohibitive, especially in this economy.
>
> -Dave Tomm
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Alan Tolz wrote:
>
>> It's a sad commentary on the state of available "major market" talk 
>> radio talent.  Bob Grant will be 80 years old. His contemporaries - 
>> Jerry Williams, Michael Jackson, Stan Major, Allan Burke, are all 
>> retired or gone.
>>
>> Nobody came up the ranks that did not catch the syndication bug.  In  a 
>> different time, Glen Beck would have "graduated" from New Haven,  CT to 
>> New York or Philly rather than going syndicated, where he's on  WPHT in 
>> Philadelphia from 9-noon anyway.
>>
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson"  <raccoonradio@mail.com>
>> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:53 AM
>> Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
>>
>>
>> Sign of the times? Here, WRKO finds it's almost all syndicated shows 
>> (only Finneran and Howie Carr are local;
>> well, Carr's syndicated by Entercom technically but 'RKO is the  flagship 
>> and it's usually Boston-based talk--
>> certainly lately it has been). Now WABC in New York may be just  about 
>> all syndicated. They're doing a news
>> show from 5-6 am with Charles McCord, followed by Imus, (apparently)  Joe 
>> Scarborough, Rush, Hannity, Levin,
>> Laura Ingraham (replacing Bob Grant) and the new Curtis Sliwa show.  I 
>> think they do Coast to Coast after that.
>> (The news about "Morning Joe" comes from Tom Taylor's email-provided 
>> radio-info.com column.)
>>
>> A powerful station in the nation's biggest city--just about all 
>> syndicated talk, though. As we've said local
>> talk is important, but it's a sign of cost-cutting (such as at WRKO, 
>> where the 10-noon slot had been local
>> for some time but got turned over to Ingraham).
>>
>
> 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 26 14:55:18 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:55:18 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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But the real question is whether operators can cut costs faster than
they are driving the audience away. As long as national issues, such
as the economic collapse, are what people are interested in, I'd say
that syndication is a winning strategy. But when local issues become
paramount, syndication seems like a loser to me. What can syndication
do that sat-casting can't do at least as well? When local stations
cease to provide local content, they cease to have a raison d'etre.
The only reasons for people to tune in to local signals are inertia
and that--what is it now, $17/month per receiver?--that Sirius/XM
charges.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows


> Operators don't want to pay them anymore.  Producing a local show is
> expensive.  You have to obviously pay the talent (quite a bit if
> they're good) and also a producer and an engineer.  In this economy
> this just doesn't make sense.


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Nov 26 16:12:54 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:12:54 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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The problem isn't the audience being driven away.  The problem is the  
talk audience is dying off.  They are rapidly aging into the 55+  
demo.  Look at WRKO.  Their 12+ numbers are respectable (even though  
the Sox have something to do with them) but their 25-54's are terrible  
outside of Howie.  Talk stations on FM have done a bit better 25-54  
than their AM counterparts but again, those stations are also 55+ heavy.

Talk radio is going to have to re-invent itself.  The younger demos  
want nothing to do with it.  Unlike the young voters of 25 years ago  
that tended to be more conservative, today's younger demos tend to  
skew more toward the Democrats and are culturally diverse.  That  
spells long term trouble for a format that tends to be very hard to  
the right--and lily white.  Younger potential listeners are more apt  
to get their political analysis from surfing the blogosphere or  
downloading shows from liberal minded hosts onto their I-pods.  Just  
like traditional oldies and classic rock, there's a diminishing return  
to talk radio as each year goes by.  Local hosts may help some, but  
more hacks like Howie Carr criticizing every Democrat while  
apologizing for every Republican--local or national, isn't going to  
bring in younger listeners.  Hosts that can honestly debate the issues  
of the day without spewing talking points (from either side) could get  
some traction.  However, that would mean re-inventing the format which  
could turn off existing listeners.  Since the industry is more  
concerned with short term results rather than long term planning, it  
means that you'll hear more of the same, syndicated hard right drivel  
24/7.  Eventually the stations will crater out as the angry white  
middle aged men who listen to it die off.  Then they'll have to  
rebuilt it from scratch.  The next generation of talk listeners may  
have moved on to new technologies by then.  Sad.

-Dave Tomm

On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> But the real question is whether operators can cut costs faster than
> they are driving the audience away. As long as national issues, such
> as the economic collapse, are what people are interested in, I'd say
> that syndication is a winning strategy. But when local issues become
> paramount, syndication seems like a loser to me. What can syndication
> do that sat-casting can't do at least as well? When local stations
> cease to provide local content, they cease to have a raison d'etre.
> The only reasons for people to tune in to local signals are inertia
> and that--what is it now, $17/month per receiver?--that Sirius/XM
> charges.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net 
> >
> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
>
>
>> Operators don't want to pay them anymore.  Producing a local show is
>> expensive.  You have to obviously pay the talent (quite a bit if
>> they're good) and also a producer and an engineer.  In this economy
>> this just doesn't make sense.
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:44:31 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:44:31 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
Message-ID: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill" 
>To: cdsull502@aol.com
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:38 -0500


>cdsull502@aol.com wrote:
> Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.

>Then, they queue up Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" followed 
>up with Morris Albert's "Feelings." Stax-o-WACKS .

>b -

What?  You left off  "M'nah-m'nah"!


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From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Nov 26 16:07:45 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:07:45 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081126210745.B33A8BE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

It seems odd that nobody posting to this thread has mentioned that
WCCM-AM 1110, Salem, NH, has cancelled  Arnie 
Arnesen's morning-drive show on that station.  It made the national
media websites (Radio-info.com. Allaccessmedia.com)  but has gone
uncommented-on here.  WCCM replaced it with Doug Stephan's "Good Day"
program. 
It also appears that John Bassett may be retiring...he appeared on the
station today (Wednesday) and the subject of the conversation was about how he'll 
fill his hours now that he doesn't have to commute from Milton to Methuen
any more.  (Undoubtedly, he will continue to make "pleasure trips" to
Methuen.



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan.Strassberg" 
>To: "Dave Tomm" , "Alan Tolz" 
>Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:55:18 -0500
>But the real question is whether operators can cut costs faster than
>they are driving the audience away. As long as national issues, such
>as the economic collapse, are what people are interested in, I'd say
>that syndication is a winning strategy. But when local issues become
>paramount, syndication seems like a loser to me. What can syndication
>do that sat-casting can't do at least as well? When local stations
>cease to provide local content, they cease to have a raison d'etre.
>The only reasons for people to tune in to local signals are inertia
>and that--what is it now, $17/month per receiver?--that Sirius/XM
>charges.

>-----
>Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
>eFax 1-707-215-6367
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" 
>To: "Alan Tolz" 
>Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:47 PM
>Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
> Operators don't want to pay them anymore. Producing a local show is
> expensive. You have to obviously pay the talent (quite a bit if
> they're good) and also a producer and an engineer. In this economy
> this just doesn't make sense.









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From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 16:40:11 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:40:11 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <20081126210745.B33A8BE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081126210745.B33A8BE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <009101c9500f$8f64cfd0$ae2e6f70$@net>

Interestingly, Arnie is still on their site. I wrote about it on my blog
last week. 
I wondered when she would save up the money to buy her own station. 
At this point, she has either been kicked off or left six or seven stations.

With stations going for nothing - granted, outside of New England - she
should really bite the bullet and own one.
It may be the only way she gets on the air again because there aren't many
options left for her. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Laurence Glavin
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:08 PM
To: Dan.Strassberg; Dave Tomm; Alan Tolz
Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows

It seems odd that nobody posting to this thread has mentioned that
WCCM-AM 1110, Salem, NH, has cancelled  Arnie 
Arnesen's morning-drive show on that station.  It made the national
media websites (Radio-info.com. Allaccessmedia.com)  but has gone
uncommented-on here.  WCCM replaced it with Doug Stephan's "Good Day"
program. 
It also appears that John Bassett may be retiring...he appeared on the
station today (Wednesday) and the subject of the conversation was about how
he'll 
fill his hours now that he doesn't have to commute from Milton to Methuen
any more.  (Undoubtedly, he will continue to make "pleasure trips" to
Methuen.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Nov 26 17:10:51 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:10:51 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>

It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently primarily
associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find the
video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track of a
film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know whether
the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
However, I suspect that the film and the music originated there.

I think Morris Albert and his lachrymose songs are of French origin.

If I am correct, however, neither Minomena nor Feelings could
therefore qualify for an award for service to THIS country.
-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>; <cdsull502@aol.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder




>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill"
>To: cdsull502@aol.com
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:38 -0500


>cdsull502@aol.com wrote:
> Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.

>Then, they queue up Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" followed
>up with Morris Albert's "Feelings." Stax-o-WACKS .

>b -

What?  You left off  "M'nah-m'nah"!


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From m_carney@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 17:25:35 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:25:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Not sure about the origins of "Feelings" but Morris Albert is Brazilian. 

More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by John Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of those is the worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the later.




________________________________
From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com>; Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com>; Cdsull502@aol.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder

It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently primarily
associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find the
video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track of a
film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know whether
the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
However, I suspect that the film and the music originated there.

I think Morris Albert and his lachrymose songs are of French origin.

If I am correct, however, neither Minomena nor Feelings could
therefore qualify for an award for service to THIS country.
-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>; <cdsull502@aol.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder




>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill"
>To: cdsull502@aol.com
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:38 -0500


>cdsull502@aol.com wrote:
> Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.

>Then, they queue up Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" followed
>up with Morris Albert's "Feelings." Stax-o-WACKS .

>b -

What?? You left off? "M'nah-m'nah"!


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From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov 26 18:08:37 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:08:37 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <91EB456253F24908ABD209158FF2FF0D@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <0KAY00J99QYK6040@asmtp018.mac.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:55 PM
> To: Dave Tomm; Alan Tolz
> Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
> 

> The only reasons for people to tune in to local signals are inertia
> and that--what is it now, $17/month per receiver?--that Sirius/XM
> charges.
> 

Actually, it $12.95 for the first receiver, and $6.95 for additional
receivers.  Up to 4 receivers are allowed per account.  For an additional $4
per month per receiver you can add a "best of" package of talk stations from
the other service.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Nov 26 18:15:46 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:15:46 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <20081126210745.B33A8BE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <0KAY000Q6RAA0I80@asmtp019.mac.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:08 PM
> To: Dan.Strassberg; Dave Tomm; Alan Tolz
> Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
> 
> It seems odd that nobody posting to this thread has mentioned that
> WCCM-AM 1110, Salem, NH, has cancelled  Arnie 
> Arnesen's morning-drive show on that station.  It made the national
> media websites (Radio-info.com. Allaccessmedia.com)  but has gone
> uncommented-on here.  WCCM replaced it with Doug Stephan's "Good Day"
> program. 

I'm amazed that anyone listens to that station.  The AC hum is almost louder
than the programming.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 
 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 18:16:16 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:16:16 -0600
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <91EB456253F24908ABD209158FF2FF0D@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>
	<7F852D99-9C59-487C-A0A5-AD65EB9BBE14@charter.net>
	<91EB456253F24908ABD209158FF2FF0D@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811261516n7ef2debeyb1743e6c4642aeb2@mail.gmail.com>

Citadel at least is keeping most of their local shows on WLS Chicago.

Don and Roma just signed for 4 years ending the Imus rumors. WLS was
shocked to find with PPM that their audience was much larger than
believed.

They carry Rush but otherwise all local until 7 PM. They have almost
no choice but to stay local because of WGN. Midwest listeners tend to
tune out NY based syndication anyways.

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Nov 26 18:33:15 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:33:15 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>	<5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
	<201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492DDCBB.5070503@gabrielmass.com>

Maureen Carney wrote:
> 
> More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by John Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of those is the worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the later.
> 

"Convoy" doesn't deserve that title: it always was a novelty song, and 
it's a "guilty pleasure" now.

--RC

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From hopperman@metrocast.net  Wed Nov 26 18:50:03 2008
From: hopperman@metrocast.net (Richard Hopper)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:50:03 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>

I beg to differ.  "Seasons in the Sun" Terry Jacks.

Rick Hopper
Alton Bay, NH


On Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 05:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote:

> Not sure about the origins of "Feelings" but Morris Albert is 
> Brazilian.
>
> More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by 
> John Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of 
> those is the worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the 
> later.
>


From hykker@wildblue.net  Wed Nov 26 19:07:40 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:07:40 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <9F1BC79D-81A8-496E-BB6A-BD20CD6B6852@charter.net>
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>
	<7F852D99-9C59-487C-A0A5-AD65EB9BBE14@charter.net>
	<91EB456253F24908ABD209158FF2FF0D@SatU205S5044>
	<9F1BC79D-81A8-496E-BB6A-BD20CD6B6852@charter.net>
Message-ID: <492de4e3.c505be0a.3a97.ffffb00a@mx.google.com>

  Dave Tomm wrote:

>Talk radio is going to have to re-invent itself.  The younger demos
>want nothing to do with it.  Unlike the young voters of 25 years ago
>that tended to be more conservative, today's younger demos tend to
>skew more toward the Democrats and are culturally diverse.  That
>spells long term trouble for a format that tends to be very hard to
>the right--and lily white.  Younger potential listeners are more apt
>to get their political analysis from surfing the blogosphere or
>downloading shows from liberal minded hosts onto their I-pods.

But are today's 20-somethings really all that different than, say the 
boomers were when they were that age?  The generation that was 
categorized at the time as a bunch of dope-smokin' hippies burning 
their draftcards/bras is the same one that produced Rush, Hannity, 
etc.  I'm not sure Election 2008 was a move to the left as much as a 
move away from the hard right.

I couldn't see myself nor any of my friends listening to talk radio 
when I was in my 20s or 30s.  Rush is no more relatable to today's 
young adults than Jerry Williams was in 1972...a bunch of crochety, 
opinionated old men don't have much cred with their kids' 
generation.  Agreed that today's generation gets most of their 
entertainment and "information" on line.  Sadly, there are more 
sources of "information" available today, and it's easier than ever 
to be misinformed.  "I read it on line so it's gotta be true".


From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu  Wed Nov 26 19:15:22 2008
From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:15:22 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <492DE69A.2020304@biochem.bumc.bu.edu>

IMDB yields this entry:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063660/

Svezia, inferno e paradiso (1968)

"Edmund Purdom narrates a pseudo-documentary about sexuality in Sweden. 
It shows contraceptives for teen girls, lesbian nightclubs, wife 
swapping, porno movies, biker gangs, and Walpurgis Night celebrations. 
It also examines Sweden's purported drug, drinking and suicide problems. 
It features the original appearance of the Piero Umiliani's nonsense 
song "Mah N? Mah N?" which was later popularized by "Sesame Street" and 
"The Muppet Show".  "

It's actually an Italian film.

Tony

Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently primarily
> associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find the
> video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track of a
> film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
> Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know whether
> the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
> However, I suspect that the film and the music originated there.


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From atolz@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 19:28:08 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:28:08 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
Message-ID: <361D2546044F4040BE1CCAC6E115841A@mediacenter>

And let's not forget...Kung Foo Fighting by Carl Douglas.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Hopper" <hopperman@metrocast.net>
To: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder


>I beg to differ.  "Seasons in the Sun" Terry Jacks.
>
> Rick Hopper
> Alton Bay, NH
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 05:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote:
>
>> Not sure about the origins of "Feelings" but Morris Albert is Brazilian.
>>
>> More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by John 
>> Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of those is the 
>> worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the later.
>>
>
> 


From billohno@gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 20:04:33 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:04:33 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <361D2546044F4040BE1CCAC6E115841A@mediacenter>
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
	<361D2546044F4040BE1CCAC6E115841A@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <492DF221.4010904@gmail.com>

Alan Tolz wrote:
>>> More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by 
>>> John Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of 
>>> those is the worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the 
>>> later.
The wind-up... and the pitch.... Eres Tu, Mocedades >:o

b

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Nov 26 20:18:10 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:18:10 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
	<201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <21E20839DF6E480195C36ACDACD1D378@DanBillingsPC>

I like "Convoy."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Group" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder


Not sure about the origins of "Feelings" but Morris Albert is Brazilian.

More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her In" (by John 
Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I debate which one of those is the 
worst song of the 70s. He says the former, I say the later.




________________________________
From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com>; Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com>; 
Cdsull502@aol.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder

It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently primarily
associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find the
video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track of a
film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know whether
the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
However, I suspect that the film and the music originated there.

I think Morris Albert and his lachrymose songs are of French origin.

If I am correct, however, neither Minomena nor Feelings could
therefore qualify for an award for service to THIS country.
-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>; <cdsull502@aol.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder




>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill"
>To: cdsull502@aol.com
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:38 -0500


>cdsull502@aol.com wrote:
> Mr. Manilow should be congratulated on his service to our country.

>Then, they queue up Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" followed
>up with Morris Albert's "Feelings." Stax-o-WACKS .

>b -

What? You left off "M'nah-m'nah"!


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From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Wed Nov 26 20:21:49 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:21:49 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
	<361D2546044F4040BE1CCAC6E115841A@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>

in regards to "Let Her In," "Convoy," "Feelings," "Seasons In The Sun," 
"Kung Fu Fighting" and "Mah N? Mah N?" (*although Barry Manilow had nothing 
to do with any of these, i believe*)

being one of the few here who actually plays these songs (some more than 
others) -  John Travolta's "Let Her In" (ergo Maureen's brother) is 
hands-down the worst.

"Feelings," was, at least, a top six hit.  "Seasons In The Sun," "Convoy" & 
"Kung Fu Fighting" - all #1 hits.

"Mah N? Mah N?" is in a class all its own.

Hopper - how are ya?

Happy Thanksgiving!

--Chuck Igo


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Nov 26 20:35:06 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:35:06 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>
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Personally, I'll vote for Paul Anka "(You're) Havin' My Baby" and  
"Muskrat Love" from Captain & Tenelle....

There's a couple of turkeys for your Thanksgiving!

-Dave Tomm

On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Chuck Igo wrote:

> in regards to "Let Her In," "Convoy," "Feelings," "Seasons In The  
> Sun," "Kung Fu Fighting" and "Mah N? Mah N?" (*although Barry  
> Manilow had nothing to do with any of these, i believe*)
>
> being one of the few here who actually plays these songs (some more  
> than others) -  John Travolta's "Let Her In" (ergo Maureen's  
> brother) is hands-down the worst.
>
> "Feelings," was, at least, a top six hit.  "Seasons In The Sun,"  
> "Convoy" & "Kung Fu Fighting" - all #1 hits.
>
> "Mah N? Mah N?" is in a class all its own.
>
> Hopper - how are ya?
>
> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> --Chuck Igo
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 21:53:21 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:53:21 -0600
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>
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Billy Don't Be A Hero and Afternoon Delight have to be included.

Convoy I can take about once a year...maybe.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 22:44:45 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:44:45 -0600
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
Message-ID: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>

Not even Thanksgiving and already I am overloaded on 2 songs...

Grandma Got Runover and Dominick The Christmas Donkey.

So anybody else have a holiday 'favorite' they want to share?

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Thu Nov 27 00:13:41 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:13:41 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
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	<935B872D9FC04C78B3E48CF56B1B99E0@mediacenter>
	<7F852D99-9C59-487C-A0A5-AD65EB9BBE14@charter.net>
	<91EB456253F24908ABD209158FF2FF0D@SatU205S5044>
	<9F1BC79D-81A8-496E-BB6A-BD20CD6B6852@charter.net>
	<492de4e3.c505be0a.3a97.ffffb00a@mx.google.com>
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>>Sadly, there are more sources of "information" available today, and it's 
>>easier than ever to be misinformed.  "I read it on line so it's gotta be 
>>true".

Yes, but there are a lot of people I know --- including not a few who are 
over 50 --- who get all their "information" from conservative talk radio, 
too.  They think NPR and PBS are "liberal" and they can't be bothered 
reading newspapers.   -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows


>  Dave Tomm wrote:
>
>>Talk radio is going to have to re-invent itself.  The younger demos
>>want nothing to do with it.  Unlike the young voters of 25 years ago
>>that tended to be more conservative, today's younger demos tend to
>>skew more toward the Democrats and are culturally diverse.  That
>>spells long term trouble for a format that tends to be very hard to
>>the right--and lily white.  Younger potential listeners are more apt
>>to get their political analysis from surfing the blogosphere or
>>downloading shows from liberal minded hosts onto their I-pods.
>
> But are today's 20-somethings really all that different than, say the 
> boomers were when they were that age?  The generation that was categorized 
> at the time as a bunch of dope-smokin' hippies burning their 
> draftcards/bras is the same one that produced Rush, Hannity, etc.  I'm not 
> sure Election 2008 was a move to the left as much as a move away from the 
> hard right.
>
> I couldn't see myself nor any of my friends listening to talk radio when I 
> was in my 20s or 30s.  Rush is no more relatable to today's young adults 
> than Jerry Williams was in 1972...a bunch of crochety, opinionated old men 
> don't have much cred with their kids' generation.  Agreed that today's 
> generation gets most of their entertainment and "information" on line. 
> Sadly, there are more sources of "information" available today, and it's 
> easier than ever to be misinformed.  "I read it on line so it's gotta be 
> true".
> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 27 01:44:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:44:18 -0500
Subject: The importance of local talk radio
In-Reply-To: <492CADCF.13892.8B68E7@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20081121205632.3DCF732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4fc429770811251328n12826e07v40872fe9e8cc558d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<492CADCF.13892.8B68E7@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <492DFB72.1928.7429CB@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 26 Nov 2008 at 2:00, I wrote:

> > Paley must have been thrilled WNAC dumped CBS for Sheen.
> 
> I don't know that CBS had much on at that hour.  It is said that Berle
> dominated his Tuesday night time slot so thoroughly that no sponsored
> programs were put opposite him.  Supposedly Bishop Sheen was the first
> show to get any ratings against Berle.
 
I tried to look up what was on opposite Bishop Sheen and Milton Berle 
back then.  Part of the problem, back then, is that in only a few 
markets -- New York, Los Angeles, and I'm not sure where else -- did 
each network have its own affiliate, which cleared all of its shows 
when broadcast.  In most markets, where there were fewer stations 
than networks, stations often had multiple affiliations, and many 
shows were carried by kinescope at some other time.  I remember in 
the Albany area seeing Ed Sullivan on Friday night and Jack Benny on 
Sunday afternoon, both on WRGB, which was primarily an NBC affiliate 
(they even said it on their test pattern).

However, there is a reference called "The TV Schedule Book," by Harry 
Castleman and Walter J. Podrazik.  It gives the morning, afternoon, 
and evening schedules for the national commercial networks (taken 
mainly from their New York affiliates' schedules) for winter, summer, 
and fall for each year from fall 1944 through winter 1983.  

Total Television, another reference covering 1948 through 1980, says 
that "Life is Worth Living" began on DuMont on 12 February 1952.  In 
the TV Schedule Book, it shows up for the first time in the Winter 
1952 schedule, at 8 PM on Tuesday evenings.  CBS was running the Sam 
Levenson Show for that half hour, and ABC was running "Strength for a 
Free World," a documentary show.  Like most of the shows placed 
opposite Milton Berle, these are quickly gone.  Neither show appears 
on the summer schedule, but neither do Bishop Sheen or Milton Berle.  
Bishop Sheen and Berle return in the fall, with a sticom "Leave it to 
Larry" on CBS and local time for the whole evening on ABC.  Berle is 
now rotating with "Buick Circus Hour," a variety show shown every 
fourth week.

In winter 1953, CBS has the Ernie Kovacs Show and "CBS Film Theater 
of the Air" for the full hour.  Fall 1953 has the Gene Autry Show 
opposite Bishop Sheen on CBS, still nothing on ABC for that hour 
(though they have programs the rest of the evening).  Milton Berle's 
show is now the Buick Berle Show, with Bob Hope on once a month 
(which I remember).  Gene Autry remains in that time slot through 
summer 1954, and is replaced in the fall with the Red Skelton Revue.
In fall 1954, ABC still has nothing opposite Bishop Sheen, but has 
"Twenty Questions" at 8:30.  Berle is now rotating with Bob Hope and 
Martha Raye.  Berle was in decline by this time.

Some say that Bishop Sheen beat both Berle and Frank Sinatra in the 
ratings, but according to both of my references, Frank Sinatra's show 
on CBS, which was opposite Berle for awhile, ended before Bishop 
Sheen started.

I looked up Bishop Sheen on Wikipedia to find that he died in 1979.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 27 01:44:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:44:18 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
In-Reply-To: <492de4e3.c505be0a.3a97.ffffb00a@mx.google.com>
References: <20081126165347.5F25749B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<9F1BC79D-81A8-496E-BB6A-BD20CD6B6852@charter.net>,
	<492de4e3.c505be0a.3a97.ffffb00a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <492DFB72.30262.742A86@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 26 Nov 2008 at 19:07, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> I couldn't see myself nor any of my friends listening to talk radio
> when I was in my 20s or 30s.  Rush is no more relatable to today's
> young adults than Jerry Williams was in 1972...a bunch of crochety,
> opinionated old men don't have much cred with their kids' generation. 

I don't know, I used to listen to Bob Kennedy on WBZ when I was in 
high school.  I also used to listen to Paul Benzaquin on WEEI while 
driving home from law school.  I even once stopped at a pay phone to 
call in.

I didn't listen to Jerry Williams, but I remember in high school 
hearing some people talking about him.  I remember one social studies 
class where some guys were telling the teacher about him.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 27 01:44:18 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:44:18 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811261853u7a4fbcb4wa0312dffdd2b0a10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>,
	<31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>,
	<4fc429770811261853u7a4fbcb4wa0312dffdd2b0a10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492DFB72.26220.742B42@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 26 Nov 2008 at 20:53, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Billy Don't Be A Hero and Afternoon Delight have to be included.
> 
> Convoy I can take about once a year...maybe.

To return the thread to Barry Manilow, I saw a news item on either 
CNN or MSNBC yesterday about a judge in Colorado who, when teenagers 
get ticketed for loud car radios, makes them listen to Barry Manilow. 
 He says he likes Barry Manilow, but the teenagers can't stand it.  
It makes them re-think the idea of inflicting their music on others.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Thu Nov 27 02:05:47 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:05:47 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently primarily
> associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find the
> video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track of a
> film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
> Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know whether
> the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
>
Ma Nah, Ma Nah

The rest of the story:

http://www.amazon.com/Sweden-Heaven-Hell-Piero-Umiliani/dp/B000005MQ7


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov 27 02:43:44 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:43:44 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
Message-ID: <20081127074347.E57C083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Incredible but true: the band backing up William Fries, aka C.W. McCall, on
"Convoy" eventually became new-age/EZ band Mannheim Steamroller. A few
times a year, that band's Chip Davis is a guest on Howie Carr's show.

>>I like "Convoy."



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov 27 02:49:15 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:49:15 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081127074916.0A43A83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

And I believe XM has a package of about 60 ad-free music channels, or 55 news/talk/
sports channels, for $9.99/month. Subscribers get free online listening on
their computers. Another option is simply online XM listening for $7.99 a month
(no radio, just online listening)

I'm hearing C. Crane ads for WiFi radios--not sure how much that'll cost...

>>Actually, it $12.95 for the first receiver, and $6.95 for additional
receivers.  Up to 4 receivers are allowed per account.  For an additional $4
per month per receiver you can add a "best of" package of talk stations from
the other service.


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov 27 02:57:00 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:57:00 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
Message-ID: <20081127075701.4FDF183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Agreed about audiences for talk radio being driven into the
older demos...

It's tough for Howie to find Republicans to criticize as there
aren't too many. Not around here, at least (OK; 3 Republican senators in
the six state region, two of whom are "Republicans in name
only" to some conservatives, and zero Congressmen. There are a few,
very few, Republican state legislators. When you have so few
in the GOP, there's less of a chance of getting one who
will get into a juicy scandal.) And don't forget Howie had
a field day with the likes of Jane Swift, Mark Foley, Matt Amorello,
even Pres. Bush on some issues (immigration, Dubai ports
deal, the bailouts). 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 27 07:35:28 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:35:28 -0500
Subject: Song Ma Nah Ma Nah
Message-ID: <19D3E71134814DAA93E328D4996435A2@SatU205S5044>

So we have now established that the 1968 film whose sound track
included this song was an Italian film, not a Swedish one,
notwithstanding that Sweden is named in the film's title. But that
means that the song's name and its only lyric might be Italian. "Ma
Nah, Ma Nah" sounds a lot like the French "mais non, mais non!," which
translates into English as "but no, but no!" or "of course not!" The
Italian phrase that sounds like Ma Nah Ma Nah might have the same
meaning in English. So my first question is, was "Ma Nah Ma Nah"
actually intended to mean something in the film? And my second
question is did the Muppet version (and maybe even the Muppet
sequence) actually appear in the film? The song has been recorded by
probably dozens of groups. I did not think the Muppets had anything to
do with the film except that they were one of the groups that recorded
the song. But that might be wrong. Inquiring minds want to know.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov 27 08:39:21 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:39:21 -0500
Subject: Song Ma Nah Ma Nah
In-Reply-To: <19D3E71134814DAA93E328D4996435A2@SatU205S5044>
References: <19D3E71134814DAA93E328D4996435A2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC406CF6D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>I did not think the Muppets had anything to
do with the film except that they were one of the groups that recorded
the song. But that might be wrong. Inquiring minds want to know.<<

IIRC the Muppets didn't really "record" it (none of their "voices" were used).  They were lip-sync'ing the version by the Dave Pell Singers.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 27 09:14:50 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:14:50 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
	<492E46CB.5010608@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <662DB5DF2D9D41DE81603AACF1AA2656@SatU205S5044>

Alas, the soundtrack CD is apparently no longer available but the long
review by a guy in (of all places) Frankfort KY, certainly makes it
sound worth owning.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Kirk" <rogerkirk@ttlc.net>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>; "Bill O'Neill"
<billohno@gmail.com>; <Cdsull502@aol.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder


>
>
> Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>> It was my understanding that the song, Menomena (apparently
>> primarily
>> associated today with the Muppets who performed it--you can find
>> the
>> video at many Web sites), was originally heard in the sound-track
>> of a
>> film (probably from the '60s) called "Heaven and Hell in Sweden."
>> Google gave me no hits on the film, however, so I don't know
>> whether
>> the film--and probably the song--are really of Swedish origin.
>>
> Ma Nah, Ma Nah
>
> The rest of the story:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Sweden-Heaven-Hell-Piero-Umiliani/dp/B000005MQ7
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 27 09:53:42 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:53:42 -0500
Subject: WBIX testing IBOC
Message-ID: <84ECBF91013F4F95985CA0633EF43344@SatU205S5044>

It has been quite a while since WBIX CE Grady Moates announced that
WBIX would add IBOC once WKOX left the building (that is, the building
at 100 Mt Wayte Ave in Framingham that is home to WBIX's daytime
transmitter, had been home to WKOX's transmitter from the time the
station first signed on in the '40s, and until a year or two ago, was
also home to its studios). Well, WKOX's transmitter has decamped for
the five-tower triplex (with WUNR and WRCA) at 750 Sawmill Brook
Parkway in Newton, and though all three stations there are still
transmitting at less than full power, I have to assume that there is
now enough room at the Framingham site for the additional equipment
required for WBIX to run IBOC. Although WBIX does not appear to have
IBOC on as I write this (Thanksgiving day morning), I am pretty sure
that that was what I heard yesterday (can't recall whether it was in
the morning or afternoon). Since WBIX is third adjacent to WBZ, which
runs IBOC full time, I had the dubious pleasure of hearing contiguous
loud hash on both 1040 and 1050 (not to mention 1020 and 1070). No
telling when Grady will run the next tests, but if you want to know
what the AM band will sound like if this misbegotten technology ever
really takes hold, this is a must-hear;>( Try to restrain yourself
from pitching your radio through a closed window!

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Nov 27 10:06:12 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: WBIX testing IBOC
In-Reply-To: <84ECBF91013F4F95985CA0633EF43344@SatU205S5044>
References: <84ECBF91013F4F95985CA0633EF43344@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18734.46948.704448.49082@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:53:42 -0500, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> transmitting at less than full power, I have to assume that there is
> now enough room at the Framingham site for the additional equipment
> required for WBIX to run IBOC.

Not a matter of space.  Grady told me the bandpass on 1060 was too
tight to run IBOC.  (The BE 4MX50 can certainly do it out-of-the-box,
and the HD encoder is just a couple of rack units.)  With 1200 gone,
he can retune the filter.

Once 1200 is really gone, if the town lets Alex do it, he can move one
of the towers and take 1060 to a full 50 kW-D.

-GAWollman


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 27 10:11:24 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:11:24 -0500
Subject: WABC could be (almost) all syndicated shows
References: <20081127075701.4FDF183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <49372A7F59C84E0D9AE830EDF2B7C2A8@MainXPPro>

I noticed Howie quite often opens the hour with all his announcemtns and 
says "Women on the contest line...".

Is that because he gets so few calls from women that he wants to direct them 
to a special number?

(Now that I think about it, I don't remember the last time I heard Howie 
take a call from a woman...)


From hykker@wildblue.net  Thu Nov 27 09:35:14 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:35:14 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin Vahey wrote:

>  Dominick The Christmas Donkey.


Where did this one come from?  I don't ever recall hearing it until 
the past 5-6 years even though it had to have been recorded in the early 60s.

The ones that sort of bug me are the songs that have nothing to do 
with Christmas at all, but are still considered Christmas songs; 
Frosty The Snowman, Sleigh Ride, Winter Wonderland, etc.   The one 
that takes the cake "My Favorite Things".


From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 10:45:50 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:45:50 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <20081125204433.E71AD32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><5A302D669E43437093CA196146CAC41B@SatU205S5044>
	<201715.43045.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016901c950a7$398ea520$0502a8c0@Mark>


Maureen Carney wrote:

>More torture can be had with these 70s favorites - "Let Her >In" (by John 
>Travolta) and "Convoy". My brother and I >debate which one of those is the 
>worst song of the 70s. He >says the former, I say the later.

My wife perfers "Let Her In" although "Convoy" is OK in small doses! IMHO 
John Travolta recorded that song along with others for an album in 1976 to 
capitalize on his fame and make him the "teen idol of the week" thanks to 
his role in "Welcome Back Kotter", the theme from said show topping the 
charts in 1976. Of course, Travolta topped the charts with his duet partner 
Olivia Newton John 2 years later with "You're The One That I Want" from the 
movie "Grease".

    All of the above songs were played as currents on WLLH, WCAP, WRKO, 
WABC. Now the only one that plays often on WODS, WCBS-FM, and other fine 
oldies stations is "You're The One That I Want". The other above mentioned 
songs, plus the others that were mentioned by others are in rotation at 
WLNG, WIRY and Barry Scott's "Lost 45's".

Mark Watson






From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 10:50:59 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:50:59 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>,
	<31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>,
	<4fc429770811261853u7a4fbcb4wa0312dffdd2b0a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<492DFB72.26220.742B42@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <017e01c950a7$f1668c80$0502a8c0@Mark>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:

> To return the thread to Barry Manilow, I saw a news item on either
> CNN or MSNBC yesterday about a judge in Colorado who, when teenagers
> get ticketed for loud car radios, makes them listen to Barry Manilow.
> He says he likes Barry Manilow, but the teenagers can't stand it.
> It makes them re-think the idea of inflicting their music on others.

  And if convicted for a second offense, will they be sentenced to 3 hours 
of continuous listening to the 1976 million selling Rick Dees classic "Disco 
Duck"? <g>

Mark Watson 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 11:02:13 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:02:13 -0600
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811270802w28b5f156wff243dd02190563@mail.gmail.com>

I think Dominick was a big hit in New York back in the day but never
caught on in Boston.

Heard an awful one this morning...Christmas In The Jungle..there isn't
any snow  ACK

On 11/27/08, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>>  Dominick The Christmas Donkey.
>
>
> Where did this one come from?  I don't ever recall hearing it until
> the past 5-6 years even though it had to have been recorded in the early
> 60s.
>
> The ones that sort of bug me are the songs that have nothing to do
> with Christmas at all, but are still considered Christmas songs;
> Frosty The Snowman, Sleigh Ride, Winter Wonderland, etc.   The one
> that takes the cake "My Favorite Things".
>
>

From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 11:11:41 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:11:41 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
Message-ID: <018801c950aa$d5b2ff70$0502a8c0@Mark>

  With Thanksgiving upon us, I scanned the radio dial on my way home from a 
road race I worked at this morning and found that weren't too many stations 
carrying turkey day High School Football games. WCAP is carrying their first 
complete football H.S. game broadcast in many years as they are carrying 
Lowell vs. haverhill. Unfortunetly they've had some technical issues at 
Lowell's stadium, so they've gone to the cell phone backup, but at least the 
game is on the air, the first Lowell area schoolboy game to air on a Lowell 
radio station since WLLH's pre-Mega days. Other stations broadcasting H.S. 
games include: WEIM (Fitchburg/Leominster), WBOQ (Gloucester/Danvers), WNBP 
(Newburyport/Amesbury), WAMG/WLLH (Quincy/North Quincy), WSMN (Nashua 
North/Nashua South), with veteran Nashua radio sports announcer Ed Lecius 
(sp) and WGAM/WGHM simulcasting a game between 2 Manchester schools. I know 
last year WMWM aired the Salem/Beverly contest, not sure if they are this 
year. WCCM used to be the H.S. football leader even back in their daytimer 
days on 800, but today it's birdfeed talk.

  And while High School football is not a huge deal around here broadcast 
wise, out in PA it's the opposite. When we were in the Poconos in Sept. we 
heard football on many stations, even stations with minimal staff or 
automated/birdfeed. The TV stations from Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, and even 
WPVI in Philly had Friday night H.S. highlight shows that ran for 20 minutes 
after a shortened 11PM newscast. Here Channel 5 does a half hour highlights 
show at 7:30PM on Thanksgiving night, and Channel 38 will have H.S. Super 
Bowl games on Dec. 6th, produced by Robert Kraft, the Patriots' owner,  but 
other than tha H.S. sports gets little to no attention on Boston TV.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list and your families.

Mark Watson 


From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 11:15:12 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:15:12 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com><492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
	<4fc429770811270802w28b5f156wff243dd02190563@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019301c950ab$539fa190$0502a8c0@Mark>

Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Heard an awful one this morning...Christmas In The Jungle..there isn't
> any snow  ACK

  Where did you hear that one, on XM/Sirrius or on broadcast radio? I 
haven't heard that one in years, since J.C. (Jim Camilli) played it on his 
WLLH weekend oldies shows.
Certainly not one of the happier holiday tunes, recorded in the mid-60's 
during the Vietnam War.

Mark Watson


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov 27 11:24:52 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
Message-ID: <20081127162452.6005049B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

WMWM is indeed doing Beverly-Salem football right now at http://www.wmwmsalem.com and
http://www.wmwmonline.com (Produced by Moore Stuff Online). We're following it
with Alice's Restaurant.

This is our third year of this (new) tradition.

>>I know last year 
WMWM aired the Salem/Beverly contest, not sure if they are this 
year. 


From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 12:02:30 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:02:30 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
References: <20081127162452.6005049B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c950b1$eef3ac30$0502a8c0@Mark>


Bob Nelson wrote:

>WMWM is indeed doing Beverly-Salem football right now  >(Produced by Moore 
>Stuff Online). We're following it
>with Alice's Restaurant.

>This is our third year of this (new) tradition.

  And after the Lowell/Haverhill broadcast ended, WCAP followed up with 
"Alice's Restaurant".

Mark Watson



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 27 12:09:50 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:09:50 -0500
Subject: WBIX testing IBOC--CORRECTION!
References: <84ECBF91013F4F95985CA0633EF43344@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <032E909862E0424CB1F6989F239F27BC@SatU205S5044>

I have egg on my face! WBIX CE Grady Moates called me to let me know
that what I said I heard could not have been caused by any testing of
WBIX's IBOC equipment. That equipment is NOT now connected and never
has been connected. What's more, there is NO current schedule for when
testing of that equipment might take place. We quickly figured out
that what I heard had to be KYW's IBOC sidebands on 1050 and 1070
thanks to daytime skywave. And why was KYW's analog signal not audible
under WBIX's analog signal on 1060? Because the radio's (CC Radio
Plus) AGC cranked the RF gain way up when the radio was tuned to 1050
and 1070, where only the sidebands were present, and way down when the
radio was tuned to WBIX's strong daytime analog signal on 1060. My
apologies for the erroneous report.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:53 AM
Subject: WBIX testing IBOC


> Although WBIX does not appear to have
> IBOC on as I write this (Thanksgiving day morning), I am pretty sure
> that that was what I heard yesterday (can't recall whether it was in
> the morning or afternoon). Since WBIX is third adjacent to WBZ,
> which
> runs IBOC full time, I had the dubious pleasure of hearing
> contiguous
> loud hash on both 1040 and 1050 (not to mention 1020 and 1070).


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 12:31:46 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:31:46 -0600
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <019301c950ab$539fa190$0502a8c0@Mark>
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
	<4fc429770811270802w28b5f156wff243dd02190563@mail.gmail.com>
	<019301c950ab$539fa190$0502a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <4fc429770811270931v5a6231amd428e921ccc3bcac@mail.gmail.com>

It was on XM.

Last time I heard it was when WMBR played it on Lost and Found.

Happily surprised XM 60's played Alice's Rest.........

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 27 13:29:26 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:29:26 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <492DFB72.26220.742B42@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
	<31743E5C7F19424F963AD5CDD2E72ABD@Family>
	<4fc429770811261853u7a4fbcb4wa0312dffdd2b0a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<492DFB72.26220.742B42@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <001601c950be$1916e930$c7151bac@MasterExtra>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:44 AM
> To: Kevin Vahey
> Cc: Dan.Strassberg; Boston Radio Group
> Subject: Re: Manilow Disorder
> 
> To return the thread to Barry Manilow, I saw a news item on 
> either CNN or MSNBC yesterday about a judge in Colorado who, 
> when teenagers get ticketed for loud car radios, makes them 
> listen to Barry Manilow. 
>  He says he likes Barry Manilow, but the teenagers can't stand it.  
> It makes them re-think the idea of inflicting their music on others.

Didn't the judge played by Harry Andersen do the same thing, but with Mel
Torme's music, on the show "Night Court"?  Perhaps that's where these other
judges got the idea.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 14:21:12 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:21:12 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492EF328.1070308@gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Not even Thanksgiving and already I am overloaded on 2 songs...
>
> Grandma Got Runover and Dominick The Christmas Donkey.
>   
This one from Jorgi Jorgessen will take the sanity our of Santa every 
time....

http://www.stinalisa.com/NutsAtChristmas.html

Bill O'Neill


Oh, I yust go nuts at Christmas
On that yolly holiday
I?ll go in the red like a knucklehead
Cuz I'll squander all my pay.

Oh, I yust go nuts at Christmas
Shopping sure drives me berserk
On the day before, I rush in a store
Like a pure bewildered yerk.

I look at nightgowns for my wife
Those black ones trimmed in red
But I won?t know her size and so
She'll get a carpet sweeper instead.

Oh I yust go nuts at Christmas
When each kid hangs up his sock
It's a time for kids to flip their lids
While their papa goes in hock.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 27 13:38:44 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:38:44 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770811270931v5a6231amd428e921ccc3bcac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770811261944r8229c39t4fea6a9fa399f1e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
	<4fc429770811270802w28b5f156wff243dd02190563@mail.gmail.com>
	<019301c950ab$539fa190$0502a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770811270931v5a6231amd428e921ccc3bcac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c950bf$612378a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:32 PM
> To: Mark Watson
> Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest
> Subject: Re: holiday songs that are torture
> 
> It was on XM.
> 
> Last time I heard it was when WMBR played it on Lost and Found.
> 
> Happily surprised XM 60's played Alice's Rest.........
>

Sirus 29/XM 50 (The Loft) played it at approx 11:42, and then went
immediately into Vin Scelsa'a show.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 
 


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Nov 27 14:58:56 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:58:56 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <018801c950aa$d5b2ff70$0502a8c0@Mark>
References: <018801c950aa$d5b2ff70$0502a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <00f201c950ca$954eb8f0$bfec2ad0$@com>

> last year WMWM aired the Salem/Beverly contest, not sure if they are
> this
> year. WCCM used to be the H.S. football leader even back in their
> daytimer
> days on 800, but today it's birdfeed talk.
[Brian Vita] 
I can vouch that WMWM did indeed air the Beverly/Salem game today as Mike S
and I handled the tech aspects of it.  One of our student DJ's, Brian
Davidson, hosted a pregame show that started at 9AM and included
pre-recorded interviews provided by the Moorestuff folks (Bill Newell and
Rick Moore).  At 9:50 we picked up the Moorestuffonline feed and went live
with it.

We had a minor glitch at halftime when the college's internet connection
went totally dead.  We couldn't get the feed/we couldn't drop the feed onto
our webstream.  We covered quickly with some music and then came back with a
cell phone feed until the internet line came back about 5 mins later.  The
segue between the phone and internet feeds was clean with the biggest
difference being the improvement in sound quality.

When the game ended we stayed with Moorestuff through some of their post
game show.  Brian Davidson did a post-game wrap up from our studio followed
by the 17 minute version of "Alice's Restaurant".  Brian returned after the
song, did a regional wrap up and then went back to our normal (automated alt
rock) programming at 1:45P.

The feed from Moorestuff was excellent and professional.  Brian D was a
seasoned pro behind the mic and also fielding calls off-air from local
listeners who called to thank us for running the feed.

Today's exercise was an example of local radio at its finest.  A small
college station with virtually no operating budget was able to pull this
off.

I thank the folks at Moorestuffonline.com for working with us and the staff
at WMWM, with whom I work with, for making this happen.

Brian Vita, Tech Guy
WMWM Salem


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Nov 27 17:45:34 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:45:34 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
Message-ID: <20081127224534.4C78583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

hi--I noticed the glitch at halftime. I went to MooreStuffOnline and found I could
pick up the feed (using RealPlayer) and I was almost going to call the station and
do a "hold the phone up to my computer speakers" deal but then it came back.
And also I figured you'd have the cell phone line backup anyway...

I'm glad we got calls from people who were glad we did the game!
Thanks to all...

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Nov 27 19:01:00 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:01:00 -0500
Subject: High School Football On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <20081127224534.4C78583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081127224534.4C78583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <040a01c950ec$677f9c10$367ed430$@com>

The glitch was bizarre.  The school's internet connection disappeared for
about 10 minutes.  The station computers could all see each other but
nothing beyond the campus.  The "oh-crap" telephone link-up was set up in
advance as a backup.  It took about 5 mins to get them to switch at their
end.  I still recall the first year when moorestuff's computer quit with :02
mins left in the game.

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@mail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:46 PM
> To: Brian Vita; 'Mark Watson'; 'Boston Radio'
> Cc: 'Evan Bourgault'; 'Steve Morley'; 'Erik Koper'; 'Bruce Perry';
> 'Alison Stinson'
> Subject: RE: High School Football On The Radio
> 
> hi--I noticed the glitch at halftime. I went to MooreStuffOnline and
> found I could
> pick up the feed (using RealPlayer) and I was almost going to call the
> station and
> do a "hold the phone up to my computer speakers" deal but then it came
> back.
> And also I figured you'd have the cell phone line backup anyway...
> 
> I'm glad we got calls from people who were glad we did the game!
> Thanks to all...
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Nov 28 00:58:47 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:58:47 -0500
Subject: Manilow Disorder
In-Reply-To: <017e01c950a7$f1668c80$0502a8c0@Mark>
References: <F19E6264-BC14-11DD-BF56-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>,
	<017e01c950a7$f1668c80$0502a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <492F4247.10881.4FCE3C@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 27 Nov 2008 at 10:50, Mark Watson wrote:

> > To return the thread to Barry Manilow, I saw a news item on either
> > CNN or MSNBC yesterday about a judge in Colorado who, when teenagers
> > get ticketed for loud car radios, makes them listen to Barry
> > Manilow. He says he likes Barry Manilow, but the teenagers can't
> > stand it. It makes them re-think the idea of inflicting their music
> > on others.
> 
>   And if convicted for a second offense, will they be sentenced to 3
>   hours 
> of continuous listening to the 1976 million selling Rick Dees classic
> "Disco Duck"? <g>
 

I =like= DIsco Duck!

But the judge seemed to be saying that he doesn't see people back 
after that sentence.  He believed that it taught the kids a lesson in 
manners.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Nov 28 08:33:40 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:33:40 -0500
Subject: The state of talk radio
Message-ID: <33DFF72C1D5C42BA898201108F537B37@SatU205S5044>

This is long but worth every minute it takes to read. The writer is
the former news director of WTMJ.

http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/CurrentIssue/full_feature_story.asp?NewMessageID=24046

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From hopperman@metrocast.net  Fri Nov 28 09:44:31 2008
From: hopperman@metrocast.net (Richard Hopper)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <113D7EF2-BD5B-11DD-8FA5-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>

Holiday turkey: "Christmas Wrapping" The Waitresses.

If the Shaggs has made a christmas album....

I would assume the 24/7/35 all christmas music formats are a boon to 
the songwriters of marginal holiday hits.  BMI & ASCAP sending them 
their dimes and nickels?

Rick Hopper
Alton Bay, NH

On Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 09:35 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>>  Dominick The Christmas Donkey.
>
>
> Where did this one come from?  I don't ever recall hearing it until 
> the past 5-6 years even though it had to have been recorded in the 
> early 60s.
>
> The ones that sort of bug me are the songs that have nothing to do 
> with Christmas at all, but are still considered Christmas songs; 
> Frosty The Snowman, Sleigh Ride, Winter Wonderland, etc.   The one 
> that takes the cake "My Favorite Things".
>


From hykker@wildblue.net  Fri Nov 28 15:04:30 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:04:30 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <113D7EF2-BD5B-11DD-8FA5-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
References: <492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
	<113D7EF2-BD5B-11DD-8FA5-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
Message-ID: <49304ee4.c505be0a.4b8f.ffffa773@mx.google.com>

Richard Hopper wrote:
>Holiday turkey: "Christmas Wrapping" The Waitresses.

I always kinda liked that one. 


From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Nov 28 15:40:43 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:40:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
Message-ID: <3199798.1227904843093.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:31 PM
> To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Re: holiday songs that are torture
>
> Last time I heard it was when WMBR played it on 
> Lost and Found.

Must've been a few years ago. "Lost & Found" will not
play it anymore due to the amount of other stations
playing it. I can't speak for any other shows on WMBR, 
but I know that the station didn't play it yesterday.

Kind of ironic, since WMBR (as WTBS) was one of the 
first, if not THE first, Boston area station to play
it in its entirety when it came out in late 1967, a
few months before WBCN began playing rock music.

WBRS Brandeis (then 91.7) also played it back then,
and I wonder if maybe Dick Summer played it late at
night on his WBZ show ??

Spinning the dial quickly from Newton, MA at noontime 
on Thanksgiving yesterday, I heard "Alice's Restaurant" 
being played on the following ten stations:

980 WCAP Lowell
88.9 WERS Boston
91.9 WUMB Boston
92.5 WXRV Andover (playing newer 1990s version)
94.1 WHJY Providence, RI
100.3 WHEB Portsmouth, NH
100.7 WZLX Boston
101.1 WGIR Manchester, NH
104.1 WBCN Boston
105.7 WROR Boston

Probably could've found even more if I had more time...

EP




From nostaticatall@charter.net  Fri Nov 28 15:19:06 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:19:06 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
In-Reply-To: <49304ee4.c505be0a.4b8f.ffffa773@mx.google.com>
References: <492eb036.2204be0a.28cf.ffffdaca@mx.google.com>
	<113D7EF2-BD5B-11DD-8FA5-0030656499B8@metrocast.net>
	<49304ee4.c505be0a.4b8f.ffffa773@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FB6CFD30-ABE8-4E34-8A05-2B38DA0B7FD5@charter.net>

Chances are if you're an 80's kid, or someone who's into new wave  
music, you'll like that song.  If you're not really into that genre of  
music, it probably sounds campy...

On Nov 28, 2008, at 3:04 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Richard Hopper wrote:
>> Holiday turkey: "Christmas Wrapping" The Waitresses.
>
> I always kinda liked that one.


From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Nov 28 16:15:31 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:15:31 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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<<On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:19:06 -0500, Dave Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> said:

> Chances are if you're an 80's kid, or someone who's into new wave  
> music, you'll like that song.

(raises hand)

A co-worker has rather stronger feelings: it's one of only three or
four "holiday" songs he will tolerate at all.  I'm sure his gf must
think he's real fun at the mall this time of year....

-GAWollman

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 17:31:13 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:31:13 -0600
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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Jeff Spencer searched all over the city to find a copy. Nobody
believed him when he said the song existed. This has to be around
1991.

On 11/28/08, Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
>> Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:31 PM
>> To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>> Re: holiday songs that are torture
>>
>> Last time I heard it was when WMBR played it on
>> Lost and Found.
>
> Must've been a few years ago. "Lost & Found" will not
> play it anymore due to the amount of other stations
> playing it. I can't speak for any other shows on WMBR,
> but I know that the station didn't play it yesterday.
>
> Kind of ironic, since WMBR (as WTBS) was one of the
> first, if not THE first, Boston area station to play
> it in its entirety when it came out in late 1967, a
> few months before WBCN began playing rock music.
>
> WBRS Brandeis (then 91.7) also played it back then,
> and I wonder if maybe Dick Summer played it late at
> night on his WBZ show ??
>
> Spinning the dial quickly from Newton, MA at noontime
> on Thanksgiving yesterday, I heard "Alice's Restaurant"
> being played on the following ten stations:
>
> 980 WCAP Lowell
> 88.9 WERS Boston
> 91.9 WUMB Boston
> 92.5 WXRV Andover (playing newer 1990s version)
> 94.1 WHJY Providence, RI
> 100.3 WHEB Portsmouth, NH
> 100.7 WZLX Boston
> 101.1 WGIR Manchester, NH
> 104.1 WBCN Boston
> 105.7 WROR Boston
>
> Probably could've found even more if I had more time...
>
> EP
>
>
>
>

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Nov 28 23:21:20 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:21:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
>Sent: Nov 28, 2008 5:31 PM
>To: Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net>
>Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Subject: Re: holiday songs that are torture
>
>Jeff Spencer searched all over the city to find a copy. 
>Nobody believed him when he said the song existed. This 
>has to be around 1991.

The original "Alice's Restaurant" vinyl LP has been in the 
WMBR record library at least since I joined there in 1982 
(it's probably been in there since 1967), so I don't know 
why Jeff would have had to search for it for airplay.

EP




From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 29 04:26:43 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:26:43 -0600
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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Jeff was looking for Christmas In The Jungle not Alice.

Concerned Alice first time I heard it was on WNEU. WTBS at the time
passed on it which is hysterical when you consider the station
president was a founder of SDS.

On 11/28/08, Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
>>Sent: Nov 28, 2008 5:31 PM
>>To: Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net>
>>Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>>Subject: Re: holiday songs that are torture
>>
>>Jeff Spencer searched all over the city to find a copy.
>>Nobody believed him when he said the song existed. This
>>has to be around 1991.
>
> The original "Alice's Restaurant" vinyl LP has been in the
> WMBR record library at least since I joined there in 1982
> (it's probably been in there since 1967), so I don't know
> why Jeff would have had to search for it for airplay.
>
> EP
>
>
>
>

From wvnh@wvnh.net  Sat Nov 29 14:36:13 2008
From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:36:13 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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> Jeff was looking for Christmas In The Jungle not Alice.

Was he looking for it by the correct name? It's called "There Won't Be 
Any Snow" and it was recorded by Derrik Roberts on Roulette. I can't 
imagine that it isn't on a Dr. Demento Christmas collection or something.

I still have an mp3 and a 45 rpm of it.


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sat Nov 29 15:26:44 2008
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:26:44 EST
Subject: holiday songs that are torture  
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In a message dated 11/29/2008 12:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

"holiday  songs that are torture"
 
Barking Dogs rendition of Jingle Bells.





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From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Nov 29 16:41:13 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:41:13 -0600
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
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The radio tower on top of the BU School of Communication was
dismantled Saturday morning.

The tower used to be used for WBUR years ago but I don't think it has
been used for decades.

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Sat Nov 29 23:42:06 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:42:06 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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Jack Marshall wrote:
> Was he looking for it by the correct name? It's called "There Won't Be 
> Any Snow" and it was recorded by Derrik Roberts on Roulette. I can't 
> imagine that it isn't on a Dr. Demento Christmas collection or something.
>   
It's available on "Christmas Past" [an import]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DCF7

Any votes for "Little Becky's Christmas Wish"?




From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 29 22:59:12 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:59:12 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture  
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On 29 Nov 2008 at 15:26, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:

> Barking Dogs rendition of Jingle Bells.

That was actually the "Singing dogs."  It was part of a novelty 
record that came out circa 1956.  As I recall, they recorded a bunch 
of actual dog barks to make the record.  I used to play it on my show 
on WMUA in the 1960s.  One side of the 45 had Jingle Bells, and the 
other had Three Blind Mice and Pollywolly Doodle.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From audiskman@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 29 16:02:39 2008
From: audiskman@yahoo.com (Matt S.)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:02:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Jackpot...was 30 Rock Studio 6-B
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Jackpot...starring Geoff Edwards. That brought back a memory I had not thought of in years...As a 14 yr old on a NYC trip with my parents in 1974, NBC was passing out audience tickets to anyone on the street who would take them to the pilot of Jackpot. So we all went inside and saw them tape "Banko" which was what the original name was. The broadcasting bug was just starting to bite and I paid more attention to the activity in the studio.....cameras,lights, microphones..than I did the show. 


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: 30 Rock Studio 6-B
> To: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org, TVNETDUDE@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:21 PM
> While he has officially retired from NBC and has moved to
> Arizona,
> Lorne Michaels flies him in for SNL to this day.
> 
> I have heard him tell the story that he was upset at NBC
> when they
> pulled the plug on a popular game show he was working on in
> 1975
> called Jackpot because they needed 8-H for SNL. He was
> convinced SNL
> would last 13 weeks.
> 
> NBC wanted to move Jackpot to Burbank but producer Bob
> Stewart would
> not leave NYC because he had a cash cow at CBS called
> $10000 Pyramid
> that taped at the Sullivan.
> 
> He also told the story of how his good friend Johnny Olson
> told him to
> stay in NY as Olson came to hate California but when
> Goodson-Todman
> stopped producing in NYC in favor of LA and Montreal (yes
> Montreal)
> Olson moved west.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/25/08, Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:
> >> And we  all know the story of how the announcer in
> 8-H told WNBC he
> >> would retire  when this new show he was given in
> 1975 was cancelled.
> >> Don Pardo really  never retired until he hit 90.
> > Someone should be helping Pardo with his memoir for
> goodness sake. What
> > are we waiting for, 100? Not that the next ten years
> won't be action
> > packed, but this guy _started_ his SNL gig when he was
> _57_. The stories
> > he could tell.  BTW, I thought I heard Pardo
> intro'ing the Palin bits
> > this season.
> >
> > Aside from Paul Harvey, there are few who have been
> behind a mic this
> > late in life.
> >
> > Bill O'Neill
> >


      

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 05:37:04 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:37:04 -0600
Subject: WCEA-LP Channel 58 Boston
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811300237v5c1d2a4dx84af4ef59eecb761@mail.gmail.com>

This station came up in a thread a little while ago and someone mentioned
their antenna being on the top of a crane.

I found the pictures at necrat.com!

http://www.necrat.com/wcealp_protv.html


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
www.onairdj.com
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 11:16:55 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:16:55 -0500
Subject: Bill Drake Has Passed Away
Message-ID: <018501c95307$11439cd0$0402a8c0@Mark>

  It's been posted on Radio-Info.com that Bill Drake passed away Saturday in 
California at age 71. Drake's best known for his Top 40 format that he put 
on the air at KHJ and later on WRKO and other RKO General stations. He also 
teamed up with Gene Chenault to create Drake-Chenault, which produced 
jungles, automated radio formats and "The History of Rock & Roll" 48 hour 
special that first aired in 1969, and still airs occasionally on WODS and 
other stations.

  I was unable to find an obit on line, but found this entry on Wikipedia, 
updated to reflect his passing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Drake

Mark Watson


Mark Watson 



From sid@wrko.com  Sun Nov 30 16:09:32 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:09:32 -0500
Subject: Bill Drake Has Passed Away
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>>Drake's best known for his Top 40 format that he put 
on the air at KHJ and later on WRKO and other RKO General stations. He also 
teamed up with Gene Chenault to create Drake-Chenault, which produced 
jungles, automated radio formats and "The History of Rock & Roll" 48 hour 
special that first aired in 1969, and still airs occasionally on WODS and 
other stations.<<

What the Wikipedia article doesn't say is that he personally voiced at least one version of the HofR&R (they were usually voiced by one of the DJs from the stations it aired on; "Bobby Mitchell" [Frank Kingston Smith] did the WRKO/Boston version) as well as most of the voice-only sweepers and IDs on the stations he consulted (as in: "And now, ladies and gentlemen, Dale Dorman!" followed by the legal-ID-as-jingle).  So, many people heard his voice without knowing who it was.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From hykker@wildblue.net  Sun Nov 30 17:39:29 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:39:29 -0500
Subject: Bill Drake Has Passed Away
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Sid Schweiger wrote:


>What the Wikipedia article doesn't say is that he personally voiced 
>at least one version of the HofR&R (they were usually voiced by one 
>of the DJs from the stations it aired on; "Bobby Mitchell" [Frank 
>Kingston Smith] did the WRKO/Boston version) as well as most of the 
>voice-only sweepers and IDs on the stations he consulted (as in: 
>"And now, ladies and gentlemen, Dale Dorman!" followed by the 
>legal-ID-as-jingle).  So, many people heard his voice without 
>knowing who it was.


I knew he was the one that was the imaging voice for the RKO-General 
stations during the "boss radio" era, but I wasn't aware he ever 
narrated HofR&R.  The original 1969 version was, as you said voiced 
by a jock at each station but every later version I ever heard was 
voiced by one of his LA jocks, either Humble Harve or Robert W. Morgan.


From hykker@wildblue.net  Sun Nov 30 17:42:48 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:42:48 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture
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  Roger Kirk wrote:



>Any votes for "Little Becky's Christmas Wish"?


Ewww!  I think I actually have a promo copy of that somewhere.  I 
don't know why.

What about "White Christmas" by Tiny Tim?  Is it true he actually put 
out a Christmas album?


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov 30 17:47:51 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:47:51 -0500
Subject: holiday songs that are torture  
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On 29 Nov 2008 at 22:59, I wrote:

> On 29 Nov 2008 at 15:26, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Barking Dogs rendition of Jingle Bells.
> 
> That was actually the "Singing dogs."  It was part of a novelty 
> record that came out circa 1956.  As I recall, they recorded a bunch
> of actual dog barks to make the record.  I used to play it on my show
> on WMUA in the 1960s.  One side of the 45 had Jingle Bells, and the
> other had Three Blind Mice and Pollywolly Doodle.  
 
I was surprised not to find any Wikipedia article on this.  A Google 
search eventually came up with the following:

http://www.mistletunes.com/novel50.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogUSmGSd1A

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Sun Nov 30 18:30:36 2008
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:30:36 -0500
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
Message-ID: <380-2200811030233036437@ix.netcom.com>

ok, I'm confused: 
the former WBUR tower that I know is/was on the
BU Law "Tower" building, tallest building on campus.
Is this what tower you mean has been has been torn down?

I can't locate (in the net) a building belonging to
School of Communications, please tell me where that is?

Bob Sutherland. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
> To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Date: 11/29/2008 4:45:26 PM
> Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
>
> The radio tower on top of the BU School of Communication was
> dismantled Saturday morning.
>
> The tower used to be used for WBUR years ago but I don't think it has
> been used for decades.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 20:31:56 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:31:56 -0600
Subject: Bill Drake Has Passed Away
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Last time I heard the History of Rock and Roll was on XM and Drake did
the narration.

When Drake first assumed control of WRKO his first move was replacing
Al Gates with Dorman who he knew from KFRC.

He also wanted Charlie Tuna for WRKO but he had a non-compete clause
at WMEX and RKO didn't want to battle Richmond again after losing with
Arnie Ginsburg. Drake then hired Tuna for KHJ.

Drake would call the coupler phone at RKO 3 or 4 times a day to listen live.



On 11/30/08, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:
> Sid Schweiger wrote:
>
>
>>What the Wikipedia article doesn't say is that he personally voiced
>>at least one version of the HofR&R (they were usually voiced by one
>>of the DJs from the stations it aired on; "Bobby Mitchell" [Frank
>>Kingston Smith] did the WRKO/Boston version) as well as most of the
>>voice-only sweepers and IDs on the stations he consulted (as in:
>>"And now, ladies and gentlemen, Dale Dorman!" followed by the
>>legal-ID-as-jingle).  So, many people heard his voice without
>>knowing who it was.
>
>
> I knew he was the one that was the imaging voice for the RKO-General
> stations during the "boss radio" era, but I wasn't aware he ever
> narrated HofR&R.  The original 1969 version was, as you said voiced
> by a jock at each station but every later version I ever heard was
> voiced by one of his LA jocks, either Humble Harve or Robert W. Morgan.
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Nov 30 20:22:18 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:22:18 -0500
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
References: <380-2200811030233036437@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <390109B67B2340A7BC72A37900CF354B@SatU205S5044>

I don't think they're talking about the Law School tower (if it's
really on the Law School building--the tall building and the tower on
top of it that are readily visible as you head east on the Mass Pike
after you go though the Allston-Brighton tolls). AFAIK, that tower
still stands and it is where I believe WBUR's aux antenna is located.
Rather, I think the tower that came down was the one atop the low
(three stories or so) building on Comm Ave that used to house the WBUR
studios and SPRC. WBUR's antenna was on that tower before it moved to
the tower atop the tall building. There is or was a large parking lot
between the low building and Comm Ave. I always thought that the
address of that building was 630 Comm Ave, but someone else gave a
different address for it on this list a few days ago.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert F. Sutherland" <madprof@ix.netcom.com>
To: <BRI@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: old WBUR tower torn down


> ok, I'm confused:
> the former WBUR tower that I know is/was on the
> BU Law "Tower" building, tallest building on campus.
> Is this what tower you mean has been has been torn down?
>
> I can't locate (in the net) a building belonging to
> School of Communications, please tell me where that is?
>
> Bob Sutherland.
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
>> To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest
> <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>> Date: 11/29/2008 4:45:26 PM
>> Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
>>
>> The radio tower on top of the BU School of Communication was
>> dismantled Saturday morning.
>>
>> The tower used to be used for WBUR years ago but I don't think it
>> has
>> been used for decades.
>
>


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 20:21:08 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:21:08 -0600
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
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SPC or COM is very close to Kenmore Sq on Comm Ave. The building is
really an eyesore as it has not aged well.

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Nov 30 23:41:58 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:41:58 -0500
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> I don't think they're talking about the Law School tower (if it's
> really on the Law School building--the tall building and the tower on
> top of it that are readily visible as you head east on the Mass Pike
> after you go though the Allston-Brighton tolls). AFAIK, that tower
> still stands and it is where I believe WBUR's aux antenna is located.
> Rather, I think the tower that came down was the one atop the low
> (three stories or so) building on Comm Ave that used to house the WBUR
> studios and SPRC. WBUR's antenna was on that tower before it moved to
> the tower atop the tall building. There is or was a large parking lot
> between the low building and Comm Ave. I always thought that the
> address of that building was 630 Comm Ave, but someone else gave a
> different address for it on this list a few days ago.

The street address for the "Comm Building" does appear to have changed. 
It was 630 Comm Ave when WBUR was there, from the fifties until the 
mid-nineties, when BUR moved down the street to 890 Comm Ave. More 
recently, the building has been known as 640 Comm Ave. I don't know why 
it changed - but that's the building that had the tower on top that was 
removed over the weekend.

The taller facility across the street is the Law School, and WBUR still 
has the aux up there.

s

From rickkelly@gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 22:10:32 2008
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:10:32 -0500
Subject: old WBUR tower torn down
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On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> SPC or COM is very close to Kenmore Sq on Comm Ave. The building is
> really an eyesore as it has not aged well.

When I went to Grahm Junior College in the early 1970's, we could get
WBUR on our hot plates from that strong signal on Comm Ave... yes,
just up the street.

-Rick Kelly
www.northeastairchecks.com