From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 1 01:15:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:15:14 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C8AE22.13190.6AF4EB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Feb 2008 at 23:29, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office > assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. At least that could be turned off. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 06:47:33 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:47:33 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com><9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com><47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com>, <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199D@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. >> Clippy (and its other incarnations) was hardly ubiquitous. Most people I know discovered the way to turn it off, or turn it into something more endearing, like a cat, which would act like a cat (IOW, sleep most of the time and not bother anyone). In Office 2007, the Office Assistants (Clippy et al.) are gone. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 1 09:36:55 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> <47C8AE22.13190.6AF4EB@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000e01c87ba9$dde4ada0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Not originally--at least that's how I recall it. I believe the ability to turn him off was added after some time on the market in response to, umm, popular demand. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > On 29 Feb 2008 at 23:29, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> And Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office >> assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. > > At least that could be turned off. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:04:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:04:01 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Message-ID: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the Dave Clark Five. DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:51:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:51:20 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Donna has to find Bruce somehow. If I remember the DC5 story right Bruce embraced them as he was still smarting from throwing a recording of another UK group in the trash months before they exploded. It was by some group from Liverpool. On 3/1/08, Doug Drown wrote: > >DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley > >at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were > allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. > > That was one of the things I liked about BZ. There were a lot of great Top > 40 stations out there (WMEX among them), but there was something about WBZ > that didn't quite fit the mold --- a little more, well, adult: a little more > sophisticated, a little more laid back. Even now I can't quite put my > finger on it. The freedom the DJs had was obvious, in retrospect. -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > ; "Donna Halper" > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley > > > > Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the > > Dave Clark Five. > > > > DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce > > Bradley at WBZ. > > > > Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks > > were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after > > payola hit. > > > > We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was > > always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. > > > > Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing > > right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 12:07:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:07:29 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? Message-ID: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be down 50% from a year ago. The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 1 11:33:56 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:33:56 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley >at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. That was one of the things I liked about BZ. There were a lot of great Top 40 stations out there (WMEX among them), but there was something about WBZ that didn't quite fit the mold --- a little more, well, adult: a little more sophisticated, a little more laid back. Even now I can't quite put my finger on it. The freedom the DJs had was obvious, in retrospect. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley > Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the > Dave Clark Five. > > DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce > Bradley at WBZ. > > Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks > were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after > payola hit. > > We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was > always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. > > Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing > right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 12:47:10 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:47:10 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:51 AM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >Donna has to find Bruce somehow. And don't think I haven't tried, but there was a period of time when he didn't want to be found. Alcoholism is a terrible disease and some very brilliant people have been affected by it... I continue to try to search for him-- he was one of my faves during my college years. My other fave was Jefferson Kaye. The Hootenanny show he did on Sunday nights was one reason I went into radio. Some of the era's most outstanding local and national folk music. When he was fired by WBZ, the show was done temporarily by Ron Landry, who knew next to nothing about folk music and I became determined to do that show, but alas, I had no experience, so I tried to get on my college station... only to find they didn't put women on the air. A long story, but after being a board op for ages and ages, and learning to be a music director, I finally persuaded the PD at WNEU to give me a chance in October 1968... and the rest is, how shall we say, history. From sistersheila@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 11:31:49 2008 From: sistersheila@yahoo.com (Sheila McCarthy) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Message-ID: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I moved to St. Louis about 20 years ago and was surprised to discover Bruce on the air here. I wouldn't call what he did "right-wing" talk; more like curmudgeon talk. Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some of the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl DeSouza, Dave Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest ; Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 10:04:01 AM Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the Dave Clark Five. DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 12:59:03 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:59:03 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> > 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the > transmitter lease? I was told by Eddie at a social occaision years back, that SNR wanted to sell him 1510AM...._as long as_ he bought two othe stations SNR owned as well. Eddie said the 2 other stations (he didn't specify) were dogs...and while he looked into making it work by purchasing the two other stations as well, he said in the end, the other 2 stations were an albatross that he didn't want. He said SNR would only sell 1510AM *with* the other stations. They wanted to make a 3 station deal.....and not sell 1510 individually. He said other than that he would have gone thru with the deal. From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 13:10:14 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:10:14 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199F@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band.<< I hope you're referring to *local* blowtorch signals. WABC had four Dave Clark Five songs in their "Top 100 of 1964" list, each one of which spent one or more weeks at #7 or above, which meant they were in "heavy" rotation. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:08:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:08:16 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Disney I guess figured that ESPN and Radio Disney could survive the downturn being seen at most music outlets. In the case of WABC and WLS they may have not liked the older demographics the stations have. CBS at least has very strong all news stations that dominate many markets. However on the FM side they are bleeding badly. The internet has destroyed traditional music outlets through the downloading of music. Millions have become their own program director. What is worse is PPM's now confirm what everybody knew anyways that people tune out as soon as a commercial comes on. This is not new as people in cars have been pushing buttons for decades but now there is proof which will scare off advertisers. The major radio groups have enormous debt service to cover and this is what is killing Citadel right now. Print is even worse off as the cost of pulp and distribution continues to rise. Classifieds are pretty much extinct now and that was where the profits were. Just look at Boston. The 2 stations that bill the most are WBZ and WEEI as they both offer something you can't get anywhere else. Personality morning shows still hold an audience as listeners just are in the habit of waking up with familiar voices. However when Matty, Dorman and Lorne and Wally retire will listeners embrace new voices? From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 13:17:07 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:17:07 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. I don't think that's necessarily the case. I don't doubt for a moment that ABC Radio's financial position was made significantly worse by the separation from the rest of ABC. There weren't a whole lot of economies created in the Citadel merger, since Citadel was mostly a medium-market group and ABC Radio was exclusively a large-market player -- worse than that, a large-market player with mostly standalone (1 A/1 F) operations in major markets where all the major competitors have clusters. Can Citadel survive? Probably, in the sense that there could be a company of that name left in the end, although I don't think the Citadel-ABC marriage ever made any sense. I doubt it will survive, long-term, under the current ownership structure: the parts are more valuable than the whole. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Disney buying some of the pieces back at fire-sale prices, if Citadel goes under. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:18:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:18:38 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. Sid I was just saying Bruce and BZ were pushing DC5 for a good month before WABC went with them. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 1 13:23:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:23:29 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC 1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal problems (since resolved, in the case of KMPC, which put a big nighttime power increase on the air just before the deal was closed), but since they are in the #1 and #2 radio markets, they might well have been priced beyond Andelman's reach. Allen absolutely DID want to sell the three to one buyer; that was widely reported. Ultimately, though, he sold to two buyers: KMPC went to a Korean (I think) group and IIRC, both WWZN and WSNR went to Peter Davidson--best known as a Hispanic broadcaster, but as WWZN shows, probably more correctly characterized as an opportunistic broadcaster who does whatever makes sense to pay the rent. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: 890 > >> 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the >> transmitter lease? > > I was told by Eddie at a social occaision years back, that SNR > wanted to > sell him 1510AM...._as long as_ he bought two othe stations SNR > owned as > well. > > Eddie said the 2 other stations (he didn't specify) were dogs...and > while he > looked into making it work by purchasing the two other stations as > well, he > said in the end, the other 2 stations were an albatross that he > didn't want. > > He said SNR would only sell 1510AM *with* the other stations. They > wanted > to make a 3 station deal.....and not sell 1510 individually. > > He said other than that he would have gone thru with the deal. > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 13:29:49 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:49 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:18 PM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when >interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted >far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across >the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local talk show. Several things happened in his personal life that changed him gradually, and today he is by all accounts genuinely a moderate, with some very left-wing positions on issues like workers' rights and health care, and he does a very sincere progressive talk show. Prior to 2000, he was one of the most ardent and aggressive rightie talkers in radio. Go figure. The same is true of Keith Olbermann. Like him or hate him, people who know him much better than I do tell me that in the 70s, 80s, and even the early to mid 90s, he was mainly interested in sports. Yeah, he followed politics, but not in a particularly passionate way. Yet look at him today-- one of the most polarizing figures in media (along with his right wing rival Bill O'Reilly) and one of the most vehement leftie/progressive commentators out there. Colleagues of his who knew him in the 70s and 80s have been quite surprised by the transformation-- yeah, he was probably not a rightie even back then, but he wasn't exactly a big fan of politics either. He knew something about it, but all he wanted to talk about was sports. That was then... So, I don't know what radicalized Bruce Bradley-- when I knew him, during my college years, he was a moderate, on the rare occasions when he talked politics. I don't know if he was a Democrat or a Republican, but he absolutely was NOT extreme in any way. People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few years ago! From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 12:35:37 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 1 12:39:52 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:39:52 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> You guys are the broadcasting pros; I'm an outside observer. So the question: What did ABC see coming? It was obvious at the time that the company was selling off its O&Os for a reason, while keeping the Radio Disney stations. And if ABC saw it coming, what keeps Clear Channel afloat? (Yes, I know they have sold/are selling a bunch of stations.) What keeps CBS Radio afloat? Or Cumulus? Just wondering what the differences are here. Doubtless I've missed something. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:45:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:45:34 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011045v6a53b10emd54a88471d266765@mail.gmail.com> In Chicago ABC has done everything to distance themselves from their former radio station. WLS-TV DT is shown in the smallest font possible and the station is simply known as ABC7 More details on the bloodbath in Chicago at WLS-AM http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sat-wls-radiomar01,1,3885207.story On 3/1/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 1 13:46:51 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:46:51 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 1:23 PM -0500 3/1/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC >1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal >problems ( I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty good signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still using the same facilities or has that changed? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:47:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> I know someone who worked with Rush at the Kansas City Royals baseball team who claims back then Rush was actually very liberal. Rush is a salesman by trade ( that is what he did for the Royals ) and he made himself into something that sells. On 3/1/08, Donna Halper wrote: > And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful > progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of > the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local > talk show. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:50:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:50:19 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011050g78a66e25h50b366bf13660f04@mail.gmail.com> They cover Queens, Brooklyn and Nassau fairly well but not Suffolk County http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WSNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=D On 3/1/08, Larry Weil wrote: > I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty > good signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still > using the same facilities or has that changed? > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 13:50:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:50:40 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net><4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com><001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <03b901c87bcd$6741b250$6501a8c0@s20208> >> And why will nobody in this town pick up Ed Schultz? ...because no one knows who he is....? From lspin@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:20:54 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:20:54 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01c87bc8$feea4220$fcbec660$@net> These "familiar voices" didn't become familiar overnight. It took time to hit their individual stride and build their audience, as well as reputation. I'm not sure the current atmosphere of the radio business will allow for anyone to take the time to build an audience. That's unfortunate for us all. Hopefully, the pendulum will someday swing the other way. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Subject: Re: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? Personality morning shows still hold an audience as listeners just are in the habit of waking up with familiar voices. However when Matty, Dorman and Lorne and Wally retire will listeners embrace new voices? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:01:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:01:35 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011101k7941a356p4dc326bcd002cc22@mail.gmail.com> A page that lists who worked where in St Louis indicates Bruce has been off the air for 8 years now Bradley, Bruce KMOX 1986- 1992 WIBV 1992- 1993 KTRS 2000 http://www.stlradio.com/personalities.htm From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:14:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:14:17 -0500 Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google Message-ID: <4fc429770803011114h7712fa00kda592b29cd7e14c8@mail.gmail.com> I have never seen this happen on what is supposed to be a mainstream website Do a search for WWZN and Google leads you here http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.1510thezone.com/ From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Mar 1 13:33:40 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:33:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this > morning > > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > > down 50% from a year ago. > > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. > > I don't think that's necessarily the case. I don't doubt for a > moment > that ABC Radio's financial position was made significantly worse by > the separation from the rest of ABC. There weren't a whole lot of > economies created in the Citadel merger, since Citadel was mostly a > medium-market group and ABC Radio was exclusively a large-market > player -- worse than that, a large-market player with mostly > standalone (1 A/1 F) operations in major markets where all the major > competitors have clusters. This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 14:38:20 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:38:20 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18377.45228.415141.695355@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > And if ABC saw it coming, what keeps Clear Channel afloat? (Yes, I know > they have sold/are selling a bunch of stations.) What keeps CBS Radio > afloat? Or Cumulus? I think in large part, the problems of Citadel/ABC Radio are specific to that group and to the way Citadel had been built. How these groups were assembled has a large impact on their balance sheets. Citadel, you will recall, was a public company ten years ago, then was taken private in a 2001 leveraged buyout, then went public again in 2004. The new, higher-debt Citadel then merged the new higher-debt ABC Radio upon its spin-off from Disney. To quote from Citadel's SEC form 10-K (filed yesterday): > In January 2001, Citadel Broadcasting Corporation, a Delaware > corporation, was formed by affiliates of Forstmann Little & Co. and > acquired substantially all of the outstanding common stock of our > predecessor company in a leveraged buyout transaction. [...] > On February 6, 2006, the Company and Alphabet Acquisition Corp., a > wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Merger Sub"), entered into > an Agreement and Plan of Merger with The Walt Disney Company > ("TWDC") and ABC Radio Holdings, Inc., formerly known as ABC Chicago > FM Radio, Inc. ("ABC Radio"), a Delaware corporation and > wholly-owned subsidiary of TWDC (the "Agreement and Plan of > Merger"). [...] > Prior to June 12, 2007, pursuant to the Separation Agreement by and > between TWDC and ABC Radio, dated as of February 6, 2006 and amended > on November 19, 2006 (the "Separation Agreement"), TWDC consummated > a series of transactions [...]. In connection with those > transactions, TWDC or one of its affiliates retained cash from the > proceeds of debt incurred by ABC Radio on June 5, 2007 in the amount > of $1.35 billion (the "ABC Radio Debt"). [...] > Also, on June 12, 2007, to effectuate the Merger, the Company > entered into a new credit agreement [...] with several lenders to > provide debt financing to the Company in connection with the payment > of the special distribution on June 12, 2007 immediately prior to > the closing in the amount of $2.4631 per share to all pre-Merger > holders of record of Company common stock as of June 8, 2007 (the > "Special Distribution"), the refinancing of Citadel Broadcasting"s > existing senior credit facility, the refinancing of the ABC Radio > Debt and the completion of the Merger. This is all from the introduction. According to a table later in the filing, the future liability from this debt amounts to nearly $4 billion. Later, in the MD&A, the Citadel management writes: > Operating loss increased approximately $1,380.6 million for the year > ended December 31, 2007 from $35.2 million for the year ended > December 31, 2006. The increased loss in 2007 is primarily the > result of an increase in asset impairment and disposal charges of > approximately $1,438.4 million. The asset impairment and disposal > charges are related to a continued deterioration in the radio > marketplace, the operating results of the ABC Radio Business and the > Company?s other radio stations and to a decline in the Company?s > stock price from the date of the Merger through December 31, 2007 Citadel's position is even worse than appears at first glance (and at first glance through the 10-K makes it look very, very bad), because as a part of the ABC merger, Citadel agreed to refrain from engaging in certain transactions -- including substantial asset sales -- that would affect the tax-free status (to Disney) of the ABC spin-off. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 14:40:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:40:27 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Someone asked about Carl DeSuze-- he is of course deceased. But somebody else asked me about Jim Sands and I had no idea. I lost track of him a few years back, but I used to love his oldies show. Is he still with us? From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Mar 1 14:53:57 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:53:57 -0800 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B91B152-0118-1000-FDD9-38C526DF1E69-Webmail-10023@mac.com> On Saturday, March 01, 2008, at 01:11PM, wrote: >What is worse is PPM's now confirm what everybody knew anyways that >people tune out as soon as a commercial comes on. This is not new as >people in cars have been pushing buttons for decades but now there is >proof which will scare off advertisers. I don't believe this is actually true. If you look at the actual PPM breakouts, radio is proving to be quite good at holding listeners through even lengthy commercial breaks. Another piece of conventional wisdom is that radio is losing audience to iPods, satellites, and other new media. It's not as much as you'd think: Total 12+ Boston market cume in the Fall 2007 book was up from the cume of 2002. Average quarter hours of listening were down, yes, but only 9% over a 5 year period, which is nothing compared to newspapers, local TV news, or prime time TV. >The major radio groups have enormous debt service to cover and this is >what is killing Citadel right now. This is the biggest problem in radio and a lot of other media. It's like the subprime mortgage crisis on steroids. In the past 10 years, mega- corporations have been buying small businesses with huge loans. Just as you can't continue to pay your household bills with credit, these businesses cannot continue to pay the huge interest payments with what used to be the business profits. >Print is even worse off as the cost of pulp and distribution continues >to rise. Classifieds are pretty much extinct now and that was where >the profits were. Actually, I think the bigger problem for print is also consolidation financed by debt. Twenty years ago many newspapers were family- owned and largely debt-free. Then they were bought out, by Gannett, Media General, McClatchy, etc., financed by huge loans at high interest rates. And because all this borrowed money was floating around, the prices and the interest payments have kept soaring. Until recently, that is. Doesn't this all sound just like the housing mortgage foreclosure story? Mark From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 1 15:52:53 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> I wonder though, how many "transformations" are due to "opportunitie$" as opposed to some "heartfelt" swing from right to left or left to right... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:30 PM To: kvahey@comcast.net; Sheila McCarthy Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley At 01:18 PM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when >interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted >far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across >the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local talk show. Several things happened in his personal life that changed him gradually, and today he is by all accounts genuinely a moderate, with some very left-wing positions on issues like workers' rights and health care, and he does a very sincere progressive talk show. Prior to 2000, he was one of the most ardent and aggressive rightie talkers in radio. Go figure. The same is true of Keith Olbermann. Like him or hate him, people who know him much better than I do tell me that in the 70s, 80s, and even the early to mid 90s, he was mainly interested in sports. Yeah, he followed politics, but not in a particularly passionate way. Yet look at him today-- one of the most polarizing figures in media (along with his right wing rival Bill O'Reilly) and one of the most vehement leftie/progressive commentators out there. Colleagues of his who knew him in the 70s and 80s have been quite surprised by the transformation-- yeah, he was probably not a rightie even back then, but he wasn't exactly a big fan of politics either. He knew something about it, but all he wanted to talk about was sports. That was then... So, I don't know what radicalized Bruce Bradley-- when I knew him, during my college years, he was a moderate, on the rare occasions when he talked politics. I don't know if he was a Democrat or a Republican, but he absolutely was NOT extreme in any way. People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few years ago! From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 1 16:01:20 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:01:20 -0500 Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011114h7712fa00kda592b29cd7e14c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c87bdf$665ea020$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Looks like the /schedule page is redirected to http://phpclass.infopeople.org/kim/index.php which is an unfound web site, apparently -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:14 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google I have never seen this happen on what is supposed to be a mainstream website Do a search for WWZN and Google leads you here http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.1510thezone.com/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 16:33:23 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:33:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <3B91B152-0118-1000-FDD9-38C526DF1E69-Webmail-10023@mac.com> Message-ID: <285431.56551.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > Actually, I think the bigger problem for print is also consolidation > financed by debt. Twenty years ago many newspapers were family- > owned and largely debt-free. Then they were bought out, by Gannett, > Media General, McClatchy, etc., financed by huge loans at high > interest rates. And because all this borrowed money was floating > around, the prices and the interest payments have kept soaring. > > Until recently, that is. Doesn't this all sound just like the > housing > mortgage foreclosure story? It does, and the bubble is bursting for those of us on the print side pretty badly. I'm seeing lots of talented colleagues lose their jobs, and it stinks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 16:58:59 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:58:59 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> Donna Halper wrote: >My other fave was Jefferson Kaye. The Hootenanny show he did on >Sunday nights was one reason I went into radio. Some of the era's >most outstanding local and national folk music. When he was fired >by WBZ, the show was done temporarily by Ron Landry, who knew next >to nothing about folk music Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW (where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 17:01:45 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:01:45 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47c9d260.0c1e640a.1aae.12de@mx.google.com> Donna Halper wrote: >Someone asked about Carl DeSuze-- he is of course deceased. But >somebody else asked me about Jim Sands and I had no idea. I lost >track of him a few years back, but I used to love his oldies >show. Is he still with us? I never could get into him. I don't know if it's because his show was so 50s-centric, or just his very MOR-ish style. Wasn't he a Top 40 jock at one point? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:02:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:02:18 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011602v72cb30bcpf07979889b6baab0@mail.gmail.com> In the summer of 1966 I visited Jeff Kaye one night at the glorious barn that WKBW called home. He wasn't going to tell a 16 year old all the details but his contract was simply not renewed. He did tell me he was hired by WPRO in Providence where Jeff had roots. Then Cap Cities offered him more money and management by going to WKBW. I remember he freely told his BZ listeners he would be in Buffalo the next week. BZ played hardball with announcers in those days. 2 years later they let Bob Kennedy go because he hired an agent. Kennedy was heartbroken to leave Boston and after a short period in LA became very popular in Chicago. He was all set to host what is now Good Morning America when cancer claimed him. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:08:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:08:47 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Sands was a very popular Top 40 jock at WLOB in Portland. There is an aircheck floating around the internet of a 1973 WNBC production of A Christmas Carol starring Imus and Sands is listed as the producer. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:32:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:20:14 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:20:14 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com><03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com><20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Sands was a very popular Top 40 jock at WLOB in Portland. Prior to his WLOB stint, didn't Sands work at 1440 in Westbrook? They were a daytimer back then (mid-60's). Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Mar 1 20:18:21 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:18:21 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CA005D.8090502@ttlc.net> Jim Sands worked with Bob Fuller at WJAB (1440) in the early/mid 60's. WLOB (1310 am, 97.9 fm) was a sleepy Mantovani-ish station that signed off at midnight, was part of the "Lobster Network" and sponsored the S.P.C.E. (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Ears). In '65 (circa Len Barry's 1-2-3), they were purchased by Atlantic States Industries and with no warning to the listeners (other than a few innocuous announcements) they signed off on Sunday evening (as usual) to Ebb Tide by Frank Chacksfield & Orch. Monday Morning they signed on and rocked. They imported talent like Charlie Brown (Chares Mushara sp?) to do evenings, Allen E. Allen (Allen Emerson Fraser) to do mornings and the Chief Engineer Peter Gowan (from Brattleboro VT) pulled an air shift as Dr. Go. The early bumpers were a little over-produced, over-the-top and a tad sophomoric**, but they sure got people's attention. WJAB (a daytimer) just couldn't compete. Sands & Fuller both crossed the street to do mid-days & afternoons. Sands also did production. Some of the DJ's did personal appearances e.g. remotes and High School Dances. A local surfer (Joseph Oscar Shevenell Jr.) did a weekend oldies show as "Surfer Joe" Joe now runs a Hot Air Balloon company. We all know where Bob Fuller ended up. The studios were very minimal with equipment. Production studio was a closet with a turntable, a mic, a mixer, a cart machine and an Ampex 601. FM was 24/7 simulcast. News and DJ'ing were both done stand-up at the main console. ** e.g. weather intro: The WLOB meteorologist scans the skies for the up-to-the-minute climatological survey. DJ intro: And NOW straight from a record-breaking stay at the #1 station of the Pennsylvania State Police - it's Charlie Brown kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 21:29:58 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:29:58 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Steve wrote-- >Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the >dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ >hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW >(where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. Oh I heard him live that night-- it was hilarious!!! He'd go "I'm Jefferson Kaye on WB... NO!!! WKBW." They also sort of re-named him Jeffie Kaye... yawp! I heard he asked for a raise and they canned him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated brutally back then... From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 22:09:25 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011909w4a11b3dck32c50a08f632616e@mail.gmail.com> Of course we can say jocks are treated brutally 40 years later. On 3/1/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >Steve wrote-- > >Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the > >dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ > >hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW > >(where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. > > Oh I heard him live that night-- it was hilarious!!! He'd go "I'm > Jefferson Kaye on WB... NO!!! WKBW." They also sort of re-named him > Jeffie Kaye... yawp! I heard he asked for a raise and they canned > him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated brutally back then... > From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 1 22:37:23 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:37:23 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CA20F3.3020302@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. One of the interesting things about ABC Radio is just how distant it always was from ABC-TV, at least in the last 40 years or so. WABC/WPLJ in New York and KABC/KLOS in Los Angeles have almost never been co-located with their "sister" TV stations. In their most recent incarnations, WABC/WPLJ at 2 Penn Plaza and WABC-TV at Lincoln Center were 43 blocks apart. KABC/KLOS at La Cienega and KABC-TV in Burbank might as well be in different states. WPLJ's transmitter is in a completely separate space at Empire from WABC-TV; KLOS rents space from KABC-TV on Mount Wilson. WLS/WZZN in Chicago and KGO/KSFO in San Francisco operated out of the same buildings as WLS-TV and KGO-TV (and still do), but in a hands-off manner. The radio division actually paid rent to ABC-TV for the space, as Citadel still does. About the only example I can think of of cross-promotional synergy between ABC-TV and ABC radio outlets was the afternoon talk show that the late KGO-TV anchor Pete Wilson hosted on KGO radio until his death a few months ago. There was a little more synergy on the network level - ABC TV anchors and talent were heard fairly often on ABC Radio News, and of course if you go back a few decades you had Howard Cosell's radio show and such. ABC Radio News operates out of space in an ABC-TV building on West End Avenue. I don't know if they pay rent to ABC-TV or how that works. Perhaps if ABC had taken more advantage of radio-TV synergy, it wouldn't have sold the radio division...but I guess we'll never know. s From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 1 22:43:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:43:33 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47CA2265.8070903@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 1:23 PM -0500 3/1/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC >> 1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal >> problems ( > > I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty good > signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still using > the same facilities or has that changed? 620 got pretty badly hosed, to use the technical term. In 1995, they lost their transmitter site in Livingston, NJ, where the land had become immensely valuable for residential development. When that site came down, 620 built the current "temporary" site in Lyndhurst (or is it East Rutherford?), near the 1190 site. While the five-tower array was nearly identical to the old Livingston array, it put its nulls over much more population. Most of north Jersey now can't hear the station because of the phasing in the tight nulls. Its best signal these days is over lower Manhattan, Brooklyn and southern Queens. It's one of the strongest AM signals on Coney Island. They've had multiple apps and CPs for new sites since then - there was a plan to go out west that was killed by wetlands issues, and there's been a plan to go just north of the WBBR 1130 site that hasn't come to fruition. s From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 21:51:31 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:51:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Donna Halper wrote, about Jefferson kaye: >I heard he asked for a raise > and they canned > him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated > brutally back then... > And that's different than now -- how? I'm thinking of how Moe Lauzier was just treated by the schmucks at WRKO. The Herald said he was told 15 minutes after he started his show by his producer that it was his last show. Producer probably means 25-year-old kid. So the overpaid executives couldn't be bothered to tell him themselves? Back in civilization on planet earth, even low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee he or she is being fired / laid off. They have policies and handbooks about how to handle it. Oh, don't get me started. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 22:52:04 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:52:04 -0500 Subject: Darleen Wilson Message-ID: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Query for the local-music-scene experts out there.... Is the Darleen Wilson who now works for WGBH managing their Web site the same as the folk superproducer of a decade or two ago? -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:12:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:12:43 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012012m2bd78420tf0be051297e7f17b@mail.gmail.com> Just another reason why Jason is one of the most despised people in Boston media. and he is really loved at WGR Buffalo The sad thing about Jason is he really, really believes he is responsible for WEEI being the giant it is. The way Jason handled Rene Marchando just boggles the mind. On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Martin Waters wrote: > > > And that's different than now -- how? > > I'm thinking of how Moe Lauzier was just treated by > the schmucks at WRKO. The Herald said he was told 15 > minutes after he started his show by his producer that > it was his last show. > > Producer probably means 25-year-old kid. So the > overpaid executives couldn't be bothered to tell him > themselves? > > Back in civilization on planet earth, even > low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee > he or she is being fired / laid off. They have > policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > Oh, don't get me started. > > From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 23:20:22 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:20:22 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>How does WABC (AM) work without being tied into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think.<< It does just fine, thank you, and has for decades. As someone who worked for ABC in the 1970s, it was obvious even then that the brand of each station was powerful enough by itself to carry it strongly in the marketplace without having to rely on the other. Remember too that even back then, TV stations were rarely identified by their viewers by call sign. How often does anyone claim to have watched "The Tonight Show" on WHDH-TV? You have to get your head out of the broadcasting business mindset and think like a viewer/listener. They don't care what company is producing the programming they want, what company owns what stations or how those stations are identified. They only know how and where to find what they want. On TV, their favorite programming is tied to a channel number. On radio, it's a dial position. Other countries don't have the strict legal-ID rules that we have, and their listeners/viewers have no trouble at all finding the programming they want. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:34:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:34:02 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> Sid Still you have to concede that Channel 4 got a bump in the last year when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even include the number 4 in the logo. It has baffled me that in New York and Chicago where CBS has very strong AM news operations their local TV news lags badly. Most viewers do not connect CBS2 with WCBS WINS or WBBM On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think.<< > > It does just fine, thank you, and has for decades. As someone who worked for ABC in the 1970s, it was obvious even then that the brand of each station was powerful enough by itself to carry it strongly in the marketplace without having to rely on the other. Remember too that even back then, TV stations were rarely identified by their viewers by call sign. How often does anyone claim to have watched "The Tonight Show" on WHDH-TV? > > You have to get your head out of the broadcasting business mindset and think like a viewer/listener. They don't care what company is producing the programming they want, what company owns what stations or how those stations are identified. They only know how and where to find what they want. On TV, their favorite programming is tied to a channel number. On radio, it's a dial position. Other countries don't have the strict legal-ID rules that we have, and their listeners/viewers have no trouble at all finding the programming they want. From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 23:46:56 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:46:56 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Still you have to concede that Channel 4 got a bump in the last year when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even include the number 4 in the logo.<< Where's the proof of a cause-and-effect relationship? I can take any dozen statistics from anywhere and relate them to a dozen other statistics...proving absolutely nothing about one causing another. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 00:17:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:17:27 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Martin wrote-- > Back in civilization on planet earth, even >low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee >he or she is being fired / laid off. They have >policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > Oh, don't get me started. No, don't get ME started. I consulted in small and medium markets for more than 20 years, trained all sorts of good people, got new artists airplay, created interesting and unique sounding stations that got good numbers, won awards, etc etc... and then along came the Telecom Act of 1996 and every one of my client radio stations was bought up by a giant conglomerate, and I never even got so much as a phone call ever since (except from people wanting me to find them jobs). I watched something to which I had devoted my life get replaced by voice-tracking and syndicating the same show in city after city. And they shoe-horned in more commercials and cut local content, and then they were shocked, shocked when people stopped listening... What happened to broadcasting still breaks my heart... From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Mar 1 22:50:16 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:50:16 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C9BEC96-D083-46F1-A63F-590EDA38E13D@charter.net> The major market stations Citadel acquired from ABC/Disney are the ones that are the least profitable. Many of the people let go are longtime employees with larger salaries. Those are cuts Citadel made in their smaller markets long ago. Besides, local business isn't down as badly as national, so smaller markets aren't in as bad of shape as the majors are. Some stations like WPLJ, WLS and WJZW in DC have languished with mediocre to poor ratings for quite some time. Why Citadel didn't make more changes right after they bought these properties is beyond me. They're long overdue. If the red ink continues, they'll make cuts in the smaller markets as well, although there really isn't much left to cut. Look at Citadel/ Worcester. WXLO has live talent throughout most dayparts, but that station is their cash cow, and the jocks probably don't make all that much. WWFX is automated outside of mornings and they just hired a new morning guy who probably isn't costing them a lot. WORC-FM is automated as well. I'm sure they have a bare bones support staff by now and a small sales staff. Cutting a couple of small market salaries isn't going to help Citadel's bottom line. Providence could feel some pain. They've got Buddy Cianci on WPRO and he hasn't moved the ratings needle all that much since he got there. I'm sure he's not working cheap. You have several staffers at 790/99.7 the Score, which gets trounced in the ratings by the WEEI simulcast on 103.7. You have morning guy Giovanni at PRO-FM who has been with the station for over 30 years along with longtime PD Tony Bristol. Both of those guys must be making toward the top of the scale for that market. Even WWLI has several longtimers on their staff. That cluster could get whacked pretty badly. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:07 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 2 00:47:56 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:47:56 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com>, <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47C9F93C.14601.763EEF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2008 at 9:35, Sean Smyth wrote: > Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 2 00:47:57 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:47:57 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.co m>, <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C9F93D.31907.764027@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2008 at 13:29, Donna Halper wrote: > People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a > former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an > interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- > the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few > years ago! Nor is this something new. Ronald Reagan, as president of the Screen Actors' Guild, campaigned for Harry Truman back in 1948. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:45:50 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:45:50 -0500 Subject: Darleen Wilson In-Reply-To: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012045w4ce044e7r389757fc94e7ca7d@mail.gmail.com> One and the same Garrett http://www.femmusic.com/interviews%202001/theproducers.htm On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Query for the local-music-scene experts out there.... > > Is the Darleen Wilson who now works for WGBH managing their Web site > the same as the folk superproducer of a decade or two ago? > > -GAWollman > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Mar 2 02:13:28 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:13:28 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even > include the number 4 in the logo.<< > > Where's the proof of a cause-and-effect relationship? I can take any dozen statistics from anywhere and relate them to a dozen other statistics...proving absolutely nothing about one causing another. > > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > Actually, growing up in this area WBZ had a stronger identity than "channel 4". The synergy between the radio and TV sides, at least to the public, made it work. We took it for granted that WBZ radio news and WBZ TV news were cut from the same material. All of a sudden calling it CBS4 made it sound like some corporate interloper had taken away one of our institutions. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 16:52:25 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47c9d02c.131e640a.54da.ffff8d78@mx.google.com> Sheila McCarthy wrote: >Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some >of the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl >DeSouza, Dave Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? Didn't Carl deSuze pass away back in the 90s? Not sure about the rest...I think Dave Maynard's retired & living in Florida. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 07:40:26 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:40:26 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> Sheila McCarthy wrote: > Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some of > the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl DeSouza, Dave > Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? Tom Kennedy heads up the Kennedy Group, which helps executives develop communication skills. More about Tom and his company from their website: http://kennedygroupboston.com/index.htm Mark Watson From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 2 08:32:25 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:32:25 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 08:39:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:39:21 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020539t37be1c35s372af304f6e6e5f9@mail.gmail.com> Larry Justice was working weekends at WIOD in Miami up until 10 years ago. He left when the station was sold and the new owner cleaned house and became ultra right wing radio. WIOD was one of the best AM stations I have ever heard. They used to make fun of themselves on the ID for example The station that fired Larry King...WIOD Miami I got hooked on them as Cox simulcasted WIOD on WSUN in St Pete in the 90's. From dslrpierce@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 09:27:02 2008 From: dslrpierce@verizon.net (Dan Pierce) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:27:02 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c87c71$7cd1ebe0$2f01a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> Pat was the Program Director at WNBC at that time. When I worked with him as his producer at WHDH in the early 90s he had a picture on his desk of Imus standing on Pat's desk at WNBC staring down at a bemused looking (and, of course, much younger looking) Pat Whitley. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 2 10:46:10 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:46:10 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com><03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com><20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com><00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01c87c7c$8c51f730$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Whitley boasted on the air many times that he had been GM of WNBC. I don't know what years, but I believe he claimed responsibility for hiring Imus. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place > to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 11:03:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:03:26 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020803x3db73205p8e021f08b8275764@mail.gmail.com> Ironic part of WSKO's demise is that Citadel gave Entercom the idea of putting a signal on FM when they created WSKO-FM mainly as a place to put the Yankees as AM in those days had the Pawsox who are now on WHJJ. Not only did WEEI-FM destroy the WSKO audience it also caused a major hit in Citadel's bottom line when the Sox left WPRO. WLS is a mess. Chicago has never warmly embraced syndicated radio as Stern did so-so there, Imus never got cleared etc. WGN thrives because it is pure local and that is what the remaining AM listerners want. WPLJ should have flipped to oldies 3 years ago when CBS foolishly tried Jack-FM. Had they reclaimed the call WABC-FM they would be healthy today. Disney at least was smart in Chicago filling the void left by WJMK going Jack. Now CBS is stuck there. I fear WLS will become a larger version of Salem's WIND. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 11:31:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:31:21 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020831w48afa390pfadcb98075613a11@mail.gmail.com> Donna Same is true in TV. It started in the early 70's when the FCC mandated the 7:30 to 8 slot be returned to local stations instead of network. While it was well intended it created the syndication monster. WCVB at first was one of the few stations that embraced the rule as intended and we still have Chronicle today. Local childrens shows vanished. My son never had a Rex Trailer, Bozo or Major Mudd to enjoy. Now in some markets you have master control hundreds of miles away from the transmitter. If there is an emergency in Buffalo how on earth is an engineer in Indianapolis supposed to handle it? Satellite distribution destroyed local radio followed by voice tracking software. I was stunned back in the early 90's hearing Dorman in Orlando and it sounded local. I really hope WCAP works as it might provide a model for other broadcasters. There should always be a place for news, sports and good local talk on radio but I fear the ship has sailed on music. On 3/2/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >Martin wrote-- > > Back in civilization on planet earth, even > >low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee > >he or she is being fired / laid off. They have > >policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > > > Oh, don't get me started. > > No, don't get ME started. I consulted in small and medium markets > for more than 20 years, trained all sorts of good people, got new > artists airplay, created interesting and unique sounding stations > that got good numbers, won awards, etc etc... and then along came the > Telecom Act of 1996 and every one of my client radio stations was > bought up by a giant conglomerate, and I never even got so much as a > phone call ever since (except from people wanting me to find them > jobs). I watched something to which I had devoted my life get > replaced by voice-tracking and syndicating the same show in city > after city. And they shoe-horned in more commercials and cut local > content, and then they were shocked, shocked when people stopped > listening... What happened to broadcasting still breaks my heart... > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 11:37:04 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:37:04 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> Message-ID: <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:09 AM 3/2/2008, Terry wrote: >Donna, the rep from Boston is responsible for that stupid piece of >legislation. No, actually Newt Gingrich and a whole bunch of both righties and lefties bought the argument that the Telecom Act would increase competition. Yeah right. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 12:07:49 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:07:49 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Sid, What you're saying is absolutely true --- even here in the rural area in which I live, which is dependent on newspapers for local news coverage. I'm a pastor. I know the habits of most of my parishioners, and it's only the older ones who read the papers regularly. (I would add that many in THAT demographic don't.) The Bangor Daily News has cut both staff and content several times in the past few years, and its circulation, while decent (it's the only daily in northern and eastern Maine), isn't what it used to be. The Waterville and Augusta papers are under joint ownership and are certain to merge eventually. Compounded with this problem is the fact that by and large, most of our local radio stations in our area don't do news, except for a morning drive rip-and-read. So I presume most people get their news from TV, the Internet, or filtered through the opinions of radio talk show hosts (which, up here, are all conservative). The scariest part of this scenario is that I suspect there are a lot of people who don't bother with the news much at all. -Doug >If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, >very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very >few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing >ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the >Internet . . . I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any >newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and >business models within five years will be out of business. I have a >feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and >shows no signs of reversal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 12:26:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:26:19 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you see being read is the Metro. News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having thousands of newspapers at your desk. The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper headline about a story you didn't already know? From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 12:38:53 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:38:53 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper >headline about a story you didn't already know? Ah --- therein lies the future of newspapers, if they have a future. Yes, the headlines can be found elsewhere, and the papers are the last to make them known. But newspapers can cover stories in depth, particularly local stories, in a way that most other media can't (or won't). The question is whether most people want that. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Sid Schweiger" ; "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 12:49:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:49:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately Doug a person can get that after the fact analysis on their computer and not get ink on their fingers. It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you. You would hear a song on the radio and might buy it at a record store. and so it goes......... From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 2 13:38:34 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? Pretty much every time I look at the front page of the MetroWest Daily News, for one. (Which is about twice a week -- whenever I'm in the supermarket.) I still don't have time to read the thing. These days, I don't even have time to read the national magazines to which I still subscribe -- I have more than a year's worth of back /New Yorker/s and /Atlantic/s that I haven't had time to read yet. (And, importantly, I don't have any more time to read them on-line than I do the dead-tree editions.) I would love to have more time to read -- particularly the Sunday papers, which aren't all that time-sensitive (most of the good stuff is in preprints) and tend to have the best reporting. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Mar 2 14:46:47 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:46:47 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Yesterday, actually. A full front page story in this paper (not the NY Post) about a Kenyan Tribal Chief fining Hillary Clinton for disparaging Barack Obama by distributing the Muslim garb picture thus bringing ridicule to Islam. The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a word about this on radio, yet. kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 14:55:09 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: Doug Drown Cc: boston Radio Interest Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you see being read is the Metro. News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having thousands of newspapers at your desk. The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper headline about a story you didn't already know? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:51:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:51:26 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021151m76945429s99f11012f804f901@mail.gmail.com> That was on the front page of the Post as well. Headline was MOOLA On 3/2/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > Yesterday, actually. A full front page story in this paper (not the NY > Post) about a Kenyan Tribal Chief fining Hillary Clinton for disparaging > Barack Obama by distributing the Muslim garb picture thus bringing > ridicule to Islam. The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I > haven't heard a word about this on radio, yet. > > > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 15:07:42 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:07:42 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com>, <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47C9F93C.14601.763EEF@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <008701c87ca1$a1ac4660$6501a8c0@s20208> > I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print > doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in > yesterday's Herald... They read the Herald in Brookline? ;-) From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 15:12:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:12:40 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> > At 09:09 AM 3/2/2008, Terry wrote: > >>Donna, the rep from Boston is responsible for that stupid piece of >>legislation. > > No, actually Newt Gingrich and... Didn't this bill come out of Markey's (D-Mass) committee? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 16:19:48 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:19:48 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021319u30a1029crf12988613eb5fd0f@mail.gmail.com> We see it in sports especially. The Herald would be unable to keep their sportswriters if they did not have the secondary income provided by radio and tv. The Globe had to work out a complicated arrangement with NESN that they partly own to avoid having to buyout Bob Ryan who they didn't want to lose but NY wanted him off the books at the Globe. The Times owns a piece of NESN and now Ryan has the same free lance status that Bud Collins has had for years. Felger and Callahan have the same status and I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to Howie Carr. The Providence Journal could never afford to keep Sean McAdam if it wasn't for his outside income. Lawrence Eagle-Tribune couldn't afford to keep Russ Conway who was the most connected hockey writer in the country. Jim Baker does his old Herald media column in Nashua. Monica Collins has vanished completely. One huge problem for newspapers now and TV news as well. The instutional memory is gone. On 3/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio > and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "kvahey@comcast.net" > To: Doug Drown > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 16:35:01 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I know from dealing with various radio and TV outlets that the writers can't wait to get on the air as guests, and that certain ones are just waiting to be named as hosts of their own shows. Some will still be waiting 5 years from now, but there's always hope! I guess we could have said we saw it coming 35 years ago, when the original Herald-Traveler sold out to the Record-American (and became the Herald-American) after the Herald lost the channel 5 license and WHDH AM/FM were spun off seperately. The revenue from TV sustained the whole business. I'm guessing the Herald is on life # 8-1/2 at this point and I can't see anyone bailing them out this time. ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: Maureen Carney Cc: kvahey@comcast.net; Boston Radio Group Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 4:19:48 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) We see it in sports especially. The Herald would be unable to keep their sportswriters if they did not have the secondary income provided by radio and tv. The Globe had to work out a complicated arrangement with NESN that they partly own to avoid having to buyout Bob Ryan who they didn't want to lose but NY wanted him off the books at the Globe. The Times owns a piece of NESN and now Ryan has the same free lance status that Bud Collins has had for years. Felger and Callahan have the same status and I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to Howie Carr. The Providence Journal could never afford to keep Sean McAdam if it wasn't for his outside income. Lawrence Eagle-Tribune couldn't afford to keep Russ Conway who was the most connected hockey writer in the country. Jim Baker does his old Herald media column in Nashua. Monica Collins has vanished completely. One huge problem for newspapers now and TV news as well. The instutional memory is gone. On 3/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio > and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "kvahey@comcast.net" > To: Doug Drown > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 16:30:44 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:30:44 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803021319u30a1029crf12988613eb5fd0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011801c87cad$9fc25a40$6501a8c0@s20208> > Monica Collins has vanished completely. Monica is keeping herself busy doing her "Dog Lady" column which appears in many small papers here in Vermont. http://www.askdoglady.com/ From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 2 16:55:14 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:55:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19AA@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you.<< Reverse that, and you understand why most afternoon newspapers were out of business (or switched to mornings) by the time the 1970s were half-finished. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 17:03:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:03:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021403k746c4c55y5c9ebf8455a9d42e@mail.gmail.com> Pat Purcell has been reported to have put the Herald's land in the South End up for sale. In Chicago the Sun-Times is about to go under. Granted they were robbed blind by Conrad Black but they have in the past few weeks contracted with the Tribune to print and distribute the paper including home delivery. The paper itself is expected to be bought by Drew Singleton and look at how he has slashed the Lowell Sun and Berkshire Eagle. What I find amusing is how TV stations say news is so expensive to produce today. Really? 40 years ago stations had to use film and processing and editing costs were enormous. Then you had full studio crews working cameras, mike booms, and all kinds of hidden costs. The networks spent a small fortune on shipping film to NY and then having it rushed to Manhattan by motorcycles. Jack Crowley who worked at the old Channel 5 and then 7 as a film cameraman once told me his bosses were concerned at how much wasted film he shot at a Sox game and told him to just shoot the runs. LOL From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:12:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:12:23 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a > word about this on radio, yet. // If I had a dime for every "You pay me in cows" story, I'd be eating name-brand cereal. Bovine intervention is the typical standing sub-head. Works every time. Bill O'Neill // From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 17:24:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:24:08 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> Sid Absolutely in fact the last pure evening paper in the US just folded a couple of months ago in Cincinnati. Their circulation had dropped to 20,000. When I was a kid my parents got the Herald in the morning delivered and my Dad would bring the Traveler home. Then every night I would go to the corner drug store to get my Mom the PAYOFF edition of the Record so she could see if she won with the bookie number. The Globe was only bought on Sunday and that is because they took most of the Sunday comics from the folded Post. The largest retailer in the US does not heavily advertise in print (Wal-Mart). At another level look how thin the Phoenix has gotten. I agree as bleak as radio looks print is ten times worse. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 17:32:20 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:32:20 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19AA@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <016801c87cb5$4805e5d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Think of it: When I was growing up in the '50s, Boston had seven daily newspapers (that I can remember) and maybe eight: The Morning Globe, the Evening Globe, the Daily Record, the Herald, the Traveler, the American, and, until 1956, the Post. I can't recall whether the Post had both morning and evening editions (Anyone --?). I guess you could throw in the Christian Science Monitor, too, which you could buy on the newsstands back then. And what's left? . . . At the same time, the city had only a relative handful of radio stations, all doing live, in-house broadcasting: WEEI, WNAC, WTAO, WHDH, WORL, WBZ, WCOP, WEZE, WMEX, and WBOS --- plus, within a few miles around the periphery, WJDA, WCRB and WHIL. All of them broadcast news on a regular basis, most of them hourly. Several were network affiliates. FM was barely a blip in the public consciousness: WGBH was around, along with WXHR and WBCN; most other FMs that I recall simulcast their AM counterparts. Boy, how the world has changed. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: RE: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you.<< Reverse that, and you understand why most afternoon newspapers were out of business (or switched to mornings) by the time the 1970s were half-finished. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 2 17:34:44 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:34:44 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com><47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> a) You are in Vermont, where there are allegedly more cows than people. b) Neither you nor anyone else I've noticed has mentioned Hillary's early (and highly publicized) investment in cattle futures that supposedly netted her an overnight profit of $100,000 on an investment of substantially less than $100,000. (ISTR she was reported to have put only about $10,000 into the deal, which, if true, means that she really knew how to, umm, milk those cows for huge profits. Of course the story could be largely, well... you know.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Roger Kirk" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival > Roger Kirk wrote: >> The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a >> word about this on radio, yet. // > > If I had a dime for every "You pay me in cows" story, I'd be eating > name-brand cereal. Bovine intervention is the typical standing > sub-head. Works every time. > > Bill O'Neill > // From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:41:49 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:41:49 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com><47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47CB2D2D.7090505@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > a) You are in Vermont, where there are allegedly more cows than > people. You are correct, sir. Shoreham has a human population of 1,100 with far more head of cattle than that. Although some may suggest that a few cattle at Town Meeting could actually bring about cultural increase. > b) Neither you nor anyone else I've noticed has mentioned Hillary's > early (and highly publicized) investment in cattle futures I tore out that page from Vince Foster's playbook. Now, back to your regularly scheduled radio programme. b - From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 18:13:11 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:13:11 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021513r70a92bd4vdf4ec33f83cb9555@mail.gmail.com> Scott may know the background better than myself on this. About 30 years ago the Buffalo Evening News where WBEN got its calls from sensed trouble. They reinvented themselves as The Buffalo News and soon the morning Courier-Express was toast. Now I can't remember if the paper sold channel 4 when it became WIVB or just let radio keep the calls. The Courier while not owning a TV station did own the Buffalo cable franchise (Courier Cable) which wound up being owned by Aldelphia which turned disastrous and almost cost the city their beloved hockey team. From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 17:55:57 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:55:57 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Sid > > Absolutely in fact the last pure evening paper in the US just folded a > couple of months ago in Cincinnati. Their circulation had dropped to > 20,000. Not disputing Kevin's general thrust, but as sad as the demise of the Cincy Post was, it wasn't quite the end of the afternoon paper. In fact, another one, the Albuquerque Tribune, just breathed its last a week ago. There are still a few others left standing, under joint operating agreements (the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel in Indiana, for instance, or the Tucson Citizen) or as co-owned sister stations to morning dailies (the Wheeling, West Virginia News-Register). I'm pretty sure there are no longer any communities that have a morning daily and a competing afternoon daily under entirely separate ownership. In most such cases, the former afternoon daily has gone to morning publication at some point (i.e. the Honolulu Star-Bulletin). s From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 19:07:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:07:42 -0500 Subject: News Content Message-ID: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> The scaling back of good old fashioned beat and political reporting has had a big impact on the diminishing of local news content for a long time, especially local Boston city news. Even in the 80s I was surprised at the paucity of reporting on the Boston City Counsel and Boston School Board. Forced busing faded in the 70s and nothing seemed to take its place. When I read Howie Carr's book last year one question that kept creeping in was "Why didn't we know about this stuff?" other than the key events that would involve court activity. Regional news seemed to take more of the leads while smaller cities like Lowell and Haverhill had the benefit of their local signals providing hometown political news. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 19:28:06 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:28:06 -0500 Subject: News Content In-Reply-To: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> References: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB4616.8020805@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > The scaling back of good old fashioned beat and political reporting has > had a big impact on the diminishing of local news content for a long > time, especially local Boston city news. Even in the 80s I was > surprised at the paucity of reporting on the Boston City Counsel and > Boston School Board. Forced busing faded in the 70s and nothing seemed > to take its place. When I read Howie Carr's book last year one question > that kept creeping in was "Why didn't we know about this stuff?" other > than the key events that would involve court activity. Regional news > seemed to take more of the leads while smaller cities like Lowell and > Haverhill had the benefit of their local signals providing hometown > political news. A great example of this is in Garrett's backyard. When I was an intern at WKOX circa 1990, we were out covering all manner of night meetings, not only in Framingham but as far afield as Southborough and Marlborough and Weston. Needless to say, no radio stations are covering those meetings now. I presume the Middlesex News, er, MetroWest Daily News, still covers them. But even the newspapers aren't what they used to be. Our Gannett daily here in Rochester still tries to be fairly comprehensive, but the combination of stripped-down staffing, buyouts that drained most of the experienced staffers from the newsroom, and a shift in priorities that favors a bunch of (IMHO) gimmicks such as "interactive" websites and advertiser-driven specialty sections has resulted in a watered-down news package compared to the old days. Here's a particular example: the business section, which has borne the brunt of many cutbacks, ran an article a few weeks back about the move of the old-line Jewish funeral home in town from its longtime building in the old neighborhood in the city (imagine Blue Hill Avenue for an apt Boston comparison) to the suburbs. On its face, it was a fine article - but it completely missed every bit of nuance that anyone with any history in the community would have known. It turns out that one big reason for the move to the 'burbs was stiff competition from a new Jewish funeral home that opened in suburbia a few years back, run by a former employee of the old home. Not a word of that made it into the story, nor was there a word about the family that had owned the old home between its founders and its recent purchasers. The result was an article that would have been completely unsatisfying to anyone to whom it would have had meaning, and would have been of no value to anyone else. And don't get me started on the "Living" section that's now almost entirely syndicated fluff, or the editorial page's bizarre obsession with rap music lyrics... s From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Mar 2 19:29:46 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:29:46 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18C54423-57FB-49F2-9E47-C23B07825F50@mac.com> On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:26 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. The problem is, every one of those thousands of newspapers is getting weaker all the time. Online readers used to be able to choose from dozens of major papers with national and foreign correspondents. Now it's just a handful in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Washington, and very few others. Even those papers are cutting back sharply. Someday, bloggers who are starved for meaningful links will look back on these as the golden years. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 20:23:04 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:23:04 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >>it was asked-- > >Didn't this bill come out of Markey's (D-Mass) committee? This is a very long story that began with the deregulation of the industry throughout the 1980s, and culminated with Markey's committee in the 90s. The righties under Reagan got it started, and then the Dems on the telecom committee kept it going. The Telecom Act, sad to say, was quite bipartisan. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Mar 2 20:57:55 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:57:55 -0500 Subject: News Content In-Reply-To: <47CB4616.8020805@fybush.com> References: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> <47CB4616.8020805@fybush.com> Message-ID: <120450947601@mx04.gis.net> > >Needless to say, no radio stations are covering those meetings now. >I presume the Middlesex News, er, MetroWest Daily News, still covers them. > >But even the newspapers aren't what they used to be. > >Our Gannett daily here in Rochester still tries to be fairly >comprehensive, but the combination of stripped-down staffing, >buyouts that drained most of the experienced staffers from the >newsroom, and a shift in priorities that favors a bunch of (IMHO) >gimmicks such as "interactive" websites and advertiser-driven >specialty sections has resulted in a watered-down news package >compared to the old days. > >Here's a particular example: the business section, which has borne >the brunt of many cutbacks, ran an article a few weeks back about >the move of the old-line Jewish funeral home in town from its >longtime building in the old neighborhood in the city (imagine Blue >Hill Avenue for an apt Boston comparison) to the suburbs. > >On its face, it was a fine article - but it completely missed every >bit of nuance that anyone with any history in the community would >have known. It turns out that one big reason for the move to the >'burbs was stiff competition from a new Jewish funeral home that >opened in suburbia a few years back, run by a former employee of the >old home. Not a word of that made it into the story, nor was there a >word about the family that had owned the old home between its >founders and its recent purchasers. > >The result was an article that would have been completely >unsatisfying to anyone to whom it would have had meaning, and would >have been of no value to anyone else. > >And don't get me started on the "Living" section that's now almost >entirely syndicated fluff, or the editorial page's bizarre obsession >with rap music lyrics... > >s No different here with the MetroWest Daily News or Boston Globe. Articles skim the surface and miss the details that tell the full story. The problem for the newspapers is that anyone who has knowledge of the subject they are reporting knows the difference. These are the people the papers need as readers to survive. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 2 21:35:25 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:35:25 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001301c87cd7$42240990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Sometime in the early or mid sixties, my late wife and I visited Renovo PA (that's with an R; the Chinese PC company is with an L), then with a population of ~3000, allegedly the smallest-population community east of the Mississippi with a daily newspaper. Renovo is in the mountains of north-central PA, not all that far from Williamsport PA and either Elmira or Corning NY. The reason Renovo had a daily paper back then was that the ONLY radio reception in the town was AM skywave at night. I think it was in what the FCC calls a "white" zone. Now, of course, there must be more than a handful of nominally local radio signals, including a bunch of (mostly religious) translators. The Williamsport AM stations probably arrived in Renovo a few years after our visit. Most were Class IVs, and they probably became audible there once they were allowed 1 kW-D. I imagine there must now be more than 100 channels of cable TV, so the daily paper must be long gone. I did not get to look at the Renovo paper, which is too bad. A copy would be a great collector's item. Renovo had no local advertiser base to support that newspaper; the only way the paper could have survived would have been from advertising by stores in the surrounding communities to which Renovo people had to have traveled to do their shopping. I would be foolish to try to attribute Renovo's clearly impovrished circumstances at the time of our visit to its lack of local radio, but it is clear that the newpaper was not enough of a force to change the town's circumstances. I wish I had taken pictures, but I did not even do that. Renovo's only industry appeared to be the railroad that passed through it. It was a place that history seemed to have completely passed by. In the early 60s, it was living in the late 20s or more likely, in the depression-era early '30s. It may not be a bustling place today, but I imagine it has changed profoundly. I'd actually be interested in going back--or at least in seeing pictures of how the place has changed. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> Sid >> >> Absolutely in fact the last pure evening paper in the US just >> folded a >> couple of months ago in Cincinnati. Their circulation had dropped >> to >> 20,000. > > Not disputing Kevin's general thrust, but as sad as the demise of > the Cincy Post was, it wasn't quite the end of the afternoon paper. > In fact, another one, the Albuquerque Tribune, just breathed its > last a week ago. > > There are still a few others left standing, under joint operating > agreements (the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel in Indiana, for instance, > or the Tucson Citizen) or as co-owned sister stations to morning > dailies (the Wheeling, West Virginia News-Register). > > I'm pretty sure there are no longer any communities that have a > morning daily and a competing afternoon daily under entirely > separate ownership. In most such cases, the former afternoon daily > has gone to morning publication at some point (i.e. the Honolulu > Star-Bulletin). > > s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 21:47:12 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803021403k746c4c55y5c9ebf8455a9d42e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Pat Purcell has been reported to have put the Herald's land in the > South End up for sale. Purcell sold the land last year to a group that includes him and some real estate developers. Once he works out an arrangement to print the paper elsewhere (possibly on Morrissey Boulevard), the newsroom will be out of there, that's my take on things. kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > In Chicago the Sun-Times is about to go under. Granted they were > robbed blind by Conrad Black but they have in the past few weeks > contracted with the Tribune to print and distribute the paper > including home delivery. The paper itself is expected to be bought by > Drew Singleton and look at how he has slashed the Lowell Sun and > Berkshire Eagle. Dean Singleton has done much slashing and burning in many markets. A big part of it is that he's overleveraged and may have the banks calling for him soon. I doubt he's buying the Sun-Times. To address Scott's message a bit ago: There are a number of multi-paper markets where the papers themselves are separately owned. Joint-operating agreements don't cover the ownership of the newspaper; in each case, separate companies own the newspapers -- for example, MediaNews owns The Denver Post and Scripps owns the Rocky Mountain News -- and also jointly own a company that manages non-newsgathering functions (classifieds, other advertising, distribution, finance, etc.). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 21:47:12 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803021403k746c4c55y5c9ebf8455a9d42e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Pat Purcell has been reported to have put the Herald's land in the > South End up for sale. Purcell sold the land last year to a group that includes him and some real estate developers. Once he works out an arrangement to print the paper elsewhere (possibly on Morrissey Boulevard), the newsroom will be out of there, that's my take on things. kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > In Chicago the Sun-Times is about to go under. Granted they were > robbed blind by Conrad Black but they have in the past few weeks > contracted with the Tribune to print and distribute the paper > including home delivery. The paper itself is expected to be bought by > Drew Singleton and look at how he has slashed the Lowell Sun and > Berkshire Eagle. Dean Singleton has done much slashing and burning in many markets. A big part of it is that he's overleveraged and may have the banks calling for him soon. I doubt he's buying the Sun-Times. To address Scott's message a bit ago: There are a number of multi-paper markets where the papers themselves are separately owned. Joint-operating agreements don't cover the ownership of the newspaper; in each case, separate companies own the newspapers -- for example, MediaNews owns The Denver Post and Scripps owns the Rocky Mountain News -- and also jointly own a company that manages non-newsgathering functions (classifieds, other advertising, distribution, finance, etc.). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 21:48:03 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:48:03 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <001301c87cd7$42240990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> <001301c87cd7$42240990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47CB66E3.5000904@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I would be foolish to try to attribute Renovo's clearly impovrished > circumstances at the time of our visit to its lack of local radio, but > it is clear that the newpaper was not enough of a force to change the > town's circumstances. I wish I had taken pictures, but I did not even > do that. Renovo's only industry appeared to be the railroad that > passed through it. It was a place that history seemed to have > completely passed by. In the early 60s, it was living in the late 20s > or more likely, in the depression-era early '30s. It may not be a > bustling place today, but I imagine it has changed profoundly. I'd > actually be interested in going back--or at least in seeing pictures > of how the place has changed. I have never been in Renovo, though I've driven close to it. I wonder about the claim of no daytime AM reception - WBPZ in Lock Haven is only about 18 miles away, and has been on the air since the thirties. It's been a class IV/class C station all that time. The ground conductivity in that part of PA is bad enough that WBPZ indeed may not make it to Renovo with a usable signal. The Williamsport AMs, which are all graveyarders or worse, certainly don't. (They were all on the air even back in the sixties.) As for the Renovo paper, it looks like what now exists there is a weekly, The Record, that's shared with Lock Haven. Interestingly, it's co-owned with WBPZ and WSNU-FM in Lock Haven. http://www.recordclct.com/index.html There is a class A FM signal licensed to Renovo, WZYY 106.9. I believe it targets the State College area 25 miles or so to the south. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 22:03:13 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:03:13 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > To address Scott's message a bit ago: There are a number of multi-paper > markets where the papers themselves are separately owned. > Joint-operating agreements don't cover the ownership of the newspaper; > in each case, separate companies own the newspapers -- for example, > MediaNews owns The Denver Post and Scripps owns the Rocky Mountain News > -- and also jointly own a company that manages non-newsgathering > functions (classifieds, other advertising, distribution, finance, etc.). That's one of about a half-dozen such JOA situations remaining. Detroit and Seattle are the other two big ones; the rest are in Charleston WV, Fort Wayne, Salt Lake City, Tucson and York PA. The JOA in Madison WI between the Wisconsin State Journal and the Capital Times will breathe its last on April 26, when the Capital Times folds. There's also a sorta-JOA remaining in Las Vegas, where the Las Vegas Sun ceased to exist as a separate paper a couple of years ago, and now appears as a section inserted in the competing Las Vegas Review-Journal. An interesting trend that's starting to develop among some of these failing second papers is that they continue to survive in some reduced form, either online or as inserts into the bigger paper. The Capital Times in Madison will still exist as a website and a twice-weekly tabloid insert to the State Journal, and in Cincinnati the Post lives on, sort of, as the kypost.com website devoted to local news in northern Kentucky. It's operated by Scripps in conjunction with WCPO-TV. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 22:03:13 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:03:13 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > To address Scott's message a bit ago: There are a number of multi-paper > markets where the papers themselves are separately owned. > Joint-operating agreements don't cover the ownership of the newspaper; > in each case, separate companies own the newspapers -- for example, > MediaNews owns The Denver Post and Scripps owns the Rocky Mountain News > -- and also jointly own a company that manages non-newsgathering > functions (classifieds, other advertising, distribution, finance, etc.). That's one of about a half-dozen such JOA situations remaining. Detroit and Seattle are the other two big ones; the rest are in Charleston WV, Fort Wayne, Salt Lake City, Tucson and York PA. The JOA in Madison WI between the Wisconsin State Journal and the Capital Times will breathe its last on April 26, when the Capital Times folds. There's also a sorta-JOA remaining in Las Vegas, where the Las Vegas Sun ceased to exist as a separate paper a couple of years ago, and now appears as a section inserted in the competing Las Vegas Review-Journal. An interesting trend that's starting to develop among some of these failing second papers is that they continue to survive in some reduced form, either online or as inserts into the bigger paper. The Capital Times in Madison will still exist as a website and a twice-weekly tabloid insert to the State Journal, and in Cincinnati the Post lives on, sort of, as the kypost.com website devoted to local news in northern Kentucky. It's operated by Scripps in conjunction with WCPO-TV. s From dave@skywaves.net Sun Mar 2 22:24:54 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:24:54 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <003901c87cde$261f0450$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> One interesting case is that of the car dealers. They spend very heavily on radio, TV, and newspapers. I wonder how they see this playing out. For now, it seems they see all three as being effective. Of course, they also spend heavily on the Internet (who doesn't?), but they must see some ability on the part of all the traditional media to draw customers into the stores. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Mar 2 22:32:46 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:32:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <003901c87cde$261f0450$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <537845.61563.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dave Doherty wrote: > One interesting case is that of the car dealers. They spend very > heavily on > radio, TV, and newspapers. I wonder how they see this playing out. > For now, > it seems they see all three as being effective. Of course, they also > spend > heavily on the Internet (who doesn't?), but they must see some > ability on > the part of all the traditional media to draw customers into the > stores. Ira's dealerships recently pulled all newspaper advertising. When stuff like that happens, and when a Filene's goes away, it hits hard. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dave@skywaves.net Sun Mar 2 22:32:51 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:32:51 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <003c01c87cdf$428e9190$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> A year or two ago, I read that all the radio revenue in the LA market combined was less than the LA Times was getting for classified alone. That reminds me of the days in the early 1970s when I worked at WGY. They pulled in about 85% of the radio revenue for the entire market. Everybody else was scratching around for whatever they could get. Not ten years later, they were surpassed by any number of FMs. They are still on the air, of course, but the business model is totally different. Similarly, I suspect that each major market has one uber-paper that hauls in the vast majority of the newspaper revenue: NY Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Atlanta Constitution, etc. Those papers probably take in more on legal notices than some of the biggest radio billers, and that alone may keep them alive. But newspapers have huge distribution expenses. Radio stations don't have hundred million dollar presses fed with millions of dollars worth of paper and ink tended 24/7 by small crews of people who produce the physical bundles of paper every day , then pass them to large numbers of people who literally drive them to tens of thousands of distribution points. The total cost of operation of even a 50kW AM transmitter is a vanishly small fraction of the cost of operating even a modern, efficient, printing plant and getting the physical product into the hands of the readers. So while WGY was able to survive by cutting costs, the newspaper model for all but the uber-papers would seem to have no similar survival mode available. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 21:50:30 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:50:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <001301c87cd7$42240990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <369141.97658.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Sometime in the early or mid sixties, my late wife and I visited > Renovo PA (that's with an R; the Chinese PC company is with an L), Dare I ask, why? :-) Renovo now has a commercial FM licensed there, a country station that "serves" the swath of land between State College and Lock Haven, and probably is targeted more at Lock Haven. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 22:40:52 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:40:52 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > >>>it was asked-- >> >>Didn't this bill come out of Markey's (D-Mass) committee? > > This is a very long story that began with the deregulation of the industry > throughout the 1980s, and culminated with Markey's committee in the 90s. A couple opf times of his congressional career, I've had the opportunity to be in the presence of Ed Markey, and wanted to ask him what he has done to keep cable prices nin check....considering they have a virtual monopoly. I could have sworn at one time, the Cable industry was his pet project. I haven't heard a word from him on that subject in awhile. Speeking of Mass politicians.....wasn't Ted Kennedy's pet project health care for all? After all his years in the Senate, I would've expecting....something...anything... From dave@skywaves.net Sun Mar 2 22:46:48 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:46:48 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <537845.61563.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008401c87ce1$3593e5b0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Ira's has some pretty hot brands. It will be very interesting to see whether they resurface in newspapers any time soon. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > Dave Doherty wrote: >> One interesting case is that of the car dealers. They spend very >> heavily on >> radio, TV, and newspapers. I wonder how they see this playing out. >> For now, >> it seems they see all three as being effective. Of course, they also >> spend >> heavily on the Internet (who doesn't?), but they must see some >> ability on >> the part of all the traditional media to draw customers into the >> stores. > > Ira's dealerships recently pulled all newspaper advertising. When stuff > like that happens, and when a Filene's goes away, it hits hard. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 3 00:03:48 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:03:48 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V>, <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47CB4064.14637.611833@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2008 at 11:37, Donna Halper wrote: > At 09:09 AM 3/2/2008, Terry wrote: > >Donna, the rep from Boston is responsible for that stupid piece of > >legislation. > > No, actually Newt Gingrich and a whole bunch of both righties and > lefties bought the argument that the Telecom Act would increase > competition. Yeah right. I thought Congressman Ed Markey had something to do with it, too. The Telecommunications Act was kicking around Congress before the 1994 Republican takeover. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 3 00:03:49 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:03:49 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com>, <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47CB4065.26181.611B9E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2008 at 14:46, Roger Kirk wrote: > Yesterday, actually. A full front page story in this paper (not the > NY Post) about a Kenyan Tribal Chief fining Hillary Clinton for > disparaging Barack Obama by distributing the Muslim garb picture thus > bringing ridicule to Islam. The fine was stipulated to be paid in > cows. And, I haven't heard a word about this on radio, yet. This wasn't the same guy who offered Bill Clinton a bunch of cows to marry Chelsea a few years back, was it? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 3 00:03:50 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:03:50 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <008701c87ca1$a1ac4660$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com>, <008701c87ca1$a1ac4660$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <47CB4066.14299.6120CE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2008 at 15:07, Don A wrote: > > > I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print > > doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in > > yesterday's Herald... > > > They read the Herald in Brookline? ;-) It was in my doctor's office waiting room. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Mar 3 01:51:23 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:51:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: famous Jim Sands Message-ID: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:01:45 -0500 Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands Donna Halper wrote: >Someone asked about Carl DeSuze-- he is of course deceased. >But somebody else asked me about Jim Sands and I had no idea. >I lost track of him a few years back, but I used to love his >oldies show. Is he still with us? Jim Sands last on-air work that I know of was WODS about six or seven years ago, doing weekend evenings and other occasional fill-ins. He did (a portion of) their former "Saturday Night Request Party" show for a time, and also a Sunday night '50s/early '60s pre-Beatles era specialty show called the "Doo-Wop Diner". He had been on WODS doing various weekend and fill-in shifts since the early '90s. For a short time about eight or nine years ago, "Doo-Wop Diner" followed "Little Walter's Time Machine", giving WODS eight hours of vintage pre-Beatles oldies on Sunday nights presented by two of the areas most knowledgeable and well-known DJ's for music of that era. The days were numbered for music of that era on WODS by then, though. I heard that Jim decided to leave WODS, and retired from radio at the time after about forty years in the business. Perhaps he may have anticipated, if not have been told in advance, that the era of music that he specialized in was to be phased out of WODS's programming, and therefore his "Doo-Wop" diner show as well. Little Walter hung in there a little longer until he was unceremoniously bounced out. As far as I know, Jim is still with us. I haven't heard or seen anything indicating otherwise. I briefly met him when I was working at Greater Media's 1150 WMEX incarnation in 1988. He was hired to do afternoon drive for the last year of their oldies format. EP From paul@derrynh.net Mon Mar 3 04:29:15 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:29:15 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <016801c87cb5$4805e5d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <003c01c87d11$0d833dc0$5f8fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> And 50 years before that (1906), there was NO Radio, virtually NO ONE had an Automobile, the USA was not yet the pre-eminent nation on earth we even only had 45 states. -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:32 PM To: Sid Schweiger; boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Think of it: When I was growing up in the '50s, Boston had seven daily newspapers (that I can remember) and maybe eight: The Morning Globe, the Evening Globe, the Daily Record, the Herald, the Traveler, the American, and, until 1956, the Post. I can't recall whether the Post had both morning and evening editions (Anyone --?). I guess you could throw in the Christian Science Monitor, too, which you could buy on the newsstands back then. And what's left? . . . At the same time, the city had only a relative handful of radio stations, all doing live, in-house broadcasting: WEEI, WNAC, WTAO, WHDH, WORL, WBZ, WCOP, WEZE, WMEX, and WBOS --- plus, within a few miles around the periphery, WJDA, WCRB and WHIL. All of them broadcast news on a regular basis, most of them hourly. Several were network affiliates. FM was barely a blip in the public consciousness: WGBH was around, along with WXHR and WBCN; most other FMs that I recall simulcast their AM counterparts. Boy, how the world has changed. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: RE: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you.<< Reverse that, and you understand why most afternoon newspapers were out of business (or switched to mornings) by the time the 1970s were half-finished. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 3 07:44:12 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:44:12 -0500 Subject: The Buckleys Message-ID: <021f01c87d2c$4a46b500$6501a8c0@DougDrown> The Buckley family of Buckley Broadcasting (WOR, WDRC) --- same extended family as that of William F.? Just wondering. -Doug From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 07:53:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:53:17 -0500 Subject: The Buckleys In-Reply-To: <021f01c87d2c$4a46b500$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <021f01c87d2c$4a46b500$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803030453i7f9ee616k8f547d7be748374f@mail.gmail.com> I think they simply share the name, that they are rich and live in Connecticut. http://www.buckleyradio.com/corporate.html On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > The Buckley family of Buckley Broadcasting (WOR, WDRC) --- same extended family as that of William F.? Just wondering. > > -Doug > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 08:47:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:47:56 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803030547x355044b3ra52bb77d19ef5c44@mail.gmail.com> I am doing my morning routine at Starbucks with the Globe, Herald, Post and Daily News. I get the Times in the afternoon. All 4 papers having great fun with Hank Steinbrenner declaring war on Boston. All 4 papers are thin with virtually no ads. From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Mar 3 07:54:24 2008 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:54:24 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <30EACD59-4B88-469D-BE10-FA7A6A4D534C@charter.net> On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Don A wrote: > A couple opf times of his congressional career, I've had the > opportunity to be in the presence of Ed Markey, and wanted to ask > him what he has done to keep cable prices nin check....considering > they have a virtual monopoly. I haven't read the Globe since moving from the immediate Boston area ten years ago, but glanced at the TV magazine last Sunday. I was surprised to see that almost every cable system listed was Comcast! I've had Charter for ten years in two different towns and thought there was still a mix of cable companies serving the Boston area. I guess I was wrong. Having one cable company serving such a large area can't be good, right? Or doesn't it really matter since there's usually only one cable company per town anyway? Paul From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 08:47:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:47:56 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803030547x355044b3ra52bb77d19ef5c44@mail.gmail.com> I am doing my morning routine at Starbucks with the Globe, Herald, Post and Daily News. I get the Times in the afternoon. All 4 papers having great fun with Hank Steinbrenner declaring war on Boston. All 4 papers are thin with virtually no ads. From sid@wrko.com Mon Mar 3 08:59:32 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:59:32 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <30EACD59-4B88-469D-BE10-FA7A6A4D534C@charter.net> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> <30EACD59-4B88-469D-BE10-FA7A6A4D534C@charter.net> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010A22E7@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>I haven't read the Globe since moving from the immediate Boston area ten years ago, but glanced at the TV magazine last Sunday. I was surprised to see that almost every cable system listed was Comcast!<< Note they don't list Verizon FiOS, and have only one listing for RCN. Note also the number of cable channels they don't list. Finally, their listings are a joke. They're more often wrong than right. But, with their business model in failure mode, I don't see them making any improvements to the TV magazine. There are at least half a dozen sites on the 'net to get TV listings...and most of them are correct. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 3 09:08:22 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:08:22 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> <4fc429770803030547x355044b3ra52bb77d19ef5c44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c87d38$0aee9e70$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I get the Bangor Daily News, the Central Maine (read: Waterville) Morning Sentinel, and the Worcester Telegram and Gazette every day. (I'm from central Mass. originally, and have been getting the T&G and its predecessor, the Telegram, for 45 years.) I subscribe to the BDN chiefly for Maine, national and world news, the Sentinel for local news, and the T&G for news from my home area. There are also certain features that I enjoy --- and therein, I think, lies much of the remaining appeal of newspapers. Some people like reading the sports section, or the home and gardening section, or the food section, or whatever. That's why they buy a paper. There aren't many full-service radio stations around anymore (WGN is the about the only major one that comes to mind), so niche radio --- all-sports, all-news, all-talk, all-AOR, all tweenybopper (Radio Disney) et.al. --- fills the bill. It caters to the same mindset. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival >I am doing my morning routine at Starbucks with the Globe, Herald, > Post and Daily News. I get the Times in the afternoon. > > All 4 papers having great fun with Hank Steinbrenner declaring war on > Boston. > > All 4 papers are thin with virtually no ads. From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Mar 3 09:33:19 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:33:19 -0500 Subject: The Buckleys Message-ID: <20080303143319.BAE1483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> NorthEastRadioWatch says today that W. F. Buckley Jr. was in radio as chairman of Starr Broadcasting in the mid 70s, during which time classical WNCN in NY switched to rock (then back to classical after liste ners protested) From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 3 09:23:03 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:23:03 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> <30EACD59-4B88-469D-BE10-FA7A6A4D534C@charter.net> Message-ID: <001101c87d3a$197c4990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Several towns have two cable companies. It's far from a rarity around here. RCN came in a decade or so ago and, despite severe financial problems shortly afterward, is still at least nominally in business. They are spending a fortune on direct-mail advertising in my town. Not a week goes by without a glossy flier from them in the weekly mailer that contains all of the (not glossy, but colorful) supermarket fliers. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Anderson" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Don A wrote: > >> A couple opf times of his congressional career, I've had the >> opportunity to be in the presence of Ed Markey, and wanted to ask >> him what he has done to keep cable prices nin check....considering >> they have a virtual monopoly. > > I haven't read the Globe since moving from the immediate Boston area > ten years ago, but glanced at the TV magazine last Sunday. I was > surprised to see that almost every cable system listed was Comcast! > > I've had Charter for ten years in two different towns and thought > there was still a mix of cable companies serving the Boston area. I > guess I was wrong. Having one cable company serving such a large > area can't be good, right? Or doesn't it really matter since > there's usually only one cable company per town anyway? > > Paul From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 3 09:08:22 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:08:22 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival References: <143889.88092.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47CB6A71.9020606@fybush.com> <4fc429770803030547x355044b3ra52bb77d19ef5c44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c87d38$0aee9e70$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I get the Bangor Daily News, the Central Maine (read: Waterville) Morning Sentinel, and the Worcester Telegram and Gazette every day. (I'm from central Mass. originally, and have been getting the T&G and its predecessor, the Telegram, for 45 years.) I subscribe to the BDN chiefly for Maine, national and world news, the Sentinel for local news, and the T&G for news from my home area. There are also certain features that I enjoy --- and therein, I think, lies much of the remaining appeal of newspapers. Some people like reading the sports section, or the home and gardening section, or the food section, or whatever. That's why they buy a paper. There aren't many full-service radio stations around anymore (WGN is the about the only major one that comes to mind), so niche radio --- all-sports, all-news, all-talk, all-AOR, all tweenybopper (Radio Disney) et.al. --- fills the bill. It caters to the same mindset. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival >I am doing my morning routine at Starbucks with the Globe, Herald, > Post and Daily News. I get the Times in the afternoon. > > All 4 papers having great fun with Hank Steinbrenner declaring war on > Boston. > > All 4 papers are thin with virtually no ads. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 3 11:01:36 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:01:36 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > Jim Sands last on-air work that I know of was WODS about > six or seven years ago, doing weekend evenings and other > occasional fill-ins. He did (a portion of) their former > "Saturday Night Request Party" show for a time, and also > a Sunday night '50s/early '60s pre-Beatles era specialty > show called the "Doo-Wop Diner". He had been on WODS doing > various weekend and fill-in shifts since the early '90s. One of the greatest memories in the biz that I have is observing The Famous One do his Saturday night request show at WHDH. He would have all of the vintage QRK 16" platters spinning and all reels spinning (to grab phone requests and re-rack). It was a frenetic pace and the volume was cranked. I still recall the combination of the smell of popcorn popping and cigarette smoke in the air. Jim used the talk master control studio (same room Pudge used to tech Jess) as I doubt all of Jim's gear could have fit into the combo studio. They kept the QRKs hidden under a counter top the rest of the week just for Jim's use! Jim was also the HDH production guy. He's a master at the craft. Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Mon Mar 3 11:20:33 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:20:33 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <001101c87d3a$197c4990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><01b901c87ce1$add6f210$6501a8c0@s20208> <30EACD59-4B88-469D-BE10-FA7A6A4D534C@charter.net> <001101c87d3a$197c4990$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010A260A@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>They are spending a fortune on direct-mail advertising in my town. Not a week goes by without a glossy flier from them in the weekly mailer that contains all of the (not glossy, but colorful) supermarket fliers.<< In our town it's strictly by direct mail...regardless of the fact that RCN in my town is NOT an overbuild. RCS is only available in one tiny corner of my town; the rest is Comcast. I'm in the Comcast area...but I get the RCS fliers anyhow. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Mar 3 13:32:52 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:32:52 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <008401c87ce1$3593e5b0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <537845.61563.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008401c87ce1$3593e5b0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: Don't count on it. Like many other businesses, car dealerships are using TV and radio to drive customers to their websites. I bought a new car last year and never even thought about picking up a paper, and I'm over 40. In the Boston area most of the dealerships are chain-owned (Ira, Herb Chambers, Bernardi, Boch, Clair, etc.) and each has an extensive web presence. I just googled a couple names and in no time I was searching inventories for the car I wanted. Even the small local dealerships have websites that are easy to find. Search sites like Cars.com and Vehix are also helpful. No need to check out a paper. Even older Americans are using the web to search for cars. My dad did not too long ago and he's almost 70. If Ira continues to thrive without using print advertising, which it should, the other regional chains in the area will follow suit. That may be enough to drive some papers out of business in a very short period of time. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > Ira's has some pretty hot brands. It will be very interesting to > see whether they resurface in newspapers any time soon. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting > survive?) > > >> Dave Doherty wrote: >>> One interesting case is that of the car dealers. They spend very >>> heavily on >>> radio, TV, and newspapers. I wonder how they see this playing out. >>> For now, >>> it seems they see all three as being effective. Of course, they also >>> spend >>> heavily on the Internet (who doesn't?), but they must see some >>> ability on >>> the part of all the traditional media to draw customers into the >>> stores. >> >> Ira's dealerships recently pulled all newspaper advertising. When >> stuff >> like that happens, and when a Filene's goes away, it hits hard. >> From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 17:34:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:34:28 -0500 Subject: Prayers for the Ordway family Message-ID: <4fc429770803031434v57556985ufd6a0dc4480d13e9@mail.gmail.com> WEEI has just issued an email and updated their website. Glenn has been MIA for a few days and he just issued a statement why. His wife gave birth last week and both mother and daughter are NOT doing well. Let's hope this news has a happy ending. From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 3 17:40:32 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:40:32 -0500 Subject: Prayers for the Ordway family In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803031434v57556985ufd6a0dc4480d13e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803031434v57556985ufd6a0dc4480d13e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC7E60.1050901@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > WEEI has just issued an email and updated their website. > > Glenn has been MIA for a few days and he just issued a statement why. > > His wife gave birth last week and both mother and daughter are NOT doing well. > > Let's hope this news has a happy ending. > That's scary stuff (especially for me, with a baby on the way in a few months!) Whether or not one cares for the station or the show, this isn't something to wish on any fellow broadcaster (or any fellow human being!) Hope everything turns out OK... s From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 19:16:06 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:16:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Prayers for the Ordway family In-Reply-To: <47CC7E60.1050901@fybush.com> Message-ID: <807477.43540.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > WEEI has just issued an email and updated their > website. > > > > Glenn has been MIA for a few days and he just > issued a statement why. > > > > His wife gave birth last week and both mother and > daughter are NOT doing well. > > > > Let's hope this news has a happy ending. > > > > That's scary stuff (especially for me, with a baby > on the way in a few > months!) > > Whether or not one cares for the station or the > show, this isn't > something to wish on any fellow broadcaster (or any > fellow human being!) > > Hope everything turns out OK... > > s > Been there, I know. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. I pray everything will turn out right. -Pete Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 21:48:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:48:30 -0500 Subject: Prayers for the Ordway family In-Reply-To: <807477.43540.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <47CC7E60.1050901@fybush.com> <807477.43540.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803031848v5a643f8cjc668a98a27feb90d@mail.gmail.com> boston.com gives a little more info http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2008/03/03/weeis_ordway_takes_leave_amid_family_crisis/ and this is his statement issued through Entercom From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 21:49:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:49:16 -0500 Subject: Prayers for the Ordway family In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803031848v5a643f8cjc668a98a27feb90d@mail.gmail.com> References: <47CC7E60.1050901@fybush.com> <807477.43540.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803031848v5a643f8cjc668a98a27feb90d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803031849s24ddba0bo8fc719d07753374e@mail.gmail.com> and this is his statement issued through Entercom http://imgsrv.weei.com/image/weei/UserFiles/StatementfromGlennOrdway.pdf From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 3 23:10:59 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:10:59 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Eli Polonsky wrote: >> Jim Sands last on-air work that I know of was WODS about >> six or seven years ago, doing weekend evenings and other occasional >> fill-ins. He did (a portion of) their former "Saturday Night Request >> Party" show for a time, and also >> a Sunday night '50s/early '60s pre-Beatles era specialty >> show called the "Doo-Wop Diner". He had been on WODS doing >> various weekend and fill-in shifts since the early '90s. > > One of the greatest memories in the biz that I have is observing The > Famous One do his Saturday night request show at WHDH. He would have > all of the vintage QRK 16" platters spinning and all reels spinning > (to grab phone requests and re-rack). It was a frenetic pace and the > volume was cranked. I still recall the combination of the smell of > popcorn popping and cigarette smoke in the air. Jim used the talk > master control studio (same room Pudge used to tech Jess) as I doubt > all of Jim's gear could have fit into the combo studio. They kept the > QRKs hidden under a counter top the rest of the week just for Jim's > use! Jim was also the HDH production guy. He's a master at the craft. > > Bill O'Neill What are QRK's? Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 3 23:35:57 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:35:57 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net><47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <001701c87db1$3f2100b0$09efa644@SatU205S5044> Acronymfinder.com found nothing. Here's a link that is NOT helpful: http://www.abbreviations.com/QRK . Google found me one (apparently Aussie) definition that is not helpful but is at least amusing: Queensland Renegade Krew. I'd say that QRK is pretty damned obscure and you have every justification for asking what it stands for. And here is an excellent rule of thumb: DEFINE ***ALL*** ACRONYMS for which your reader may not know the definition. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: ; "Eli Polonsky" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands > Bill O'Neill wrote: >> Eli Polonsky wrote: >>> Jim Sands last on-air work that I know of was WODS about >>> six or seven years ago, doing weekend evenings and other >>> occasional fill-ins. He did (a portion of) their former "Saturday >>> Night Request Party" show for a time, and also >>> a Sunday night '50s/early '60s pre-Beatles era specialty >>> show called the "Doo-Wop Diner". He had been on WODS doing >>> various weekend and fill-in shifts since the early '90s. >> >> One of the greatest memories in the biz that I have is observing >> The Famous One do his Saturday night request show at WHDH. He >> would have all of the vintage QRK 16" platters spinning and all >> reels spinning (to grab phone requests and re-rack). It was a >> frenetic pace and the volume was cranked. I still recall the >> combination of the smell of popcorn popping and cigarette smoke in >> the air. Jim used the talk master control studio (same room Pudge >> used to tech Jess) as I doubt all of Jim's gear could have fit into >> the combo studio. They kept the QRKs hidden under a counter top >> the rest of the week just for Jim's use! Jim was also the HDH >> production guy. He's a master at the craft. >> >> Bill O'Neill > What are QRK's? > > Brian From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 3 23:40:07 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:40:07 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803032040h78306f2bw917f4ee7712d1057@mail.gmail.com> It was a popular brand of turntables used back in the day. WRKO also used them On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > > What are QRK's? > > From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Mar 4 02:31:08 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:31:08 -0500 Subject: WLLH Lawrence Message-ID: <000301c87dc9$b7925c20$48b4134c@Chicken159> Update on the situation, in the 1930's 46 Amebury St was a first class office building with a Drug Store, Shoe shine parlor and cigar store in the lobby. Move foward to 2008 it is now a third rate Spanish flop house - crack den where some of the residents use the stairwells as toilets. The city of Lawrence came in and shut down the elevator and parts of the electrical system, with roof leak problems the ground system and open copper pipe feed from ATU to the shunt point feed point have been constantly disturbed. I am now trying to work with the 7th managment company in the past few years to get this resolved The Lawrence transmitter was on the air at low power periodically duing the past year but the problems have been never ending and none of it has been the fault of the station ownership, the needed money has always been found. Before these problems got out of hand the site provided a very good signal for most of it life, but at some point the logical thing to do would be to move it to an industrial area along the river similar to the Lowell site. Eventuall the building will probably be condemend if they can't get things under control. Lets see if the new managment company keeps its word...... will keep you posted Chris Hall From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Mar 4 07:33:05 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:33:05 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803032040h78306f2bw917f4ee7712d1057@mail.gmail.com> References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> <4fc429770803032040h78306f2bw917f4ee7712d1057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CD4181.20609@cssinc.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > It was a popular brand of turntables used back in the day. WRKO also > used them > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Brian Vita > wrote: > > > What are QRK's? > > A latter day Gates? Brian From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 4 07:35:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:35:21 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <47CD3F6C.4080804@cssinc.com> References: <17252411.1204527083055.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <47CC20E0.2000602@gmail.com> <47CCCBD3.8070101@cssinc.com> <4fc429770803032040h78306f2bw917f4ee7712d1057@mail.gmail.com> <47CD3F6C.4080804@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803040435h4ee81e42i8fb835075c8b7a22@mail.gmail.com> No....Gates was still around as well Gates made great cart machines but I hated their boards. The 'Yard' was a piece of junk I found a picture of the dicobelt Gats had before cart machines. Only place I ever saw that used them was WNRI Woonsocket http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/101.htm > A replacement for the old Gates? > > Brian > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 4 19:50:55 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:50:55 -0500 Subject: The Greatest Air Show on Earth Message-ID: <4fc429770803041650l495f6395sc0e8b6b23622fc6a@mail.gmail.com> I would put this ad at around 1967. http://bp1.blogger.com/_GvFEduhv030/R83AkxoHV7I/AAAAAAAAABI/qvuh-6Grrh4/s400/wbz.gif Carl, Bob and Ron have passed. Dick Summer is alive and well. Dave is retired in Florida. Bruce Bradley who knows. That leaves the forgotten one..Jay Dunn. Whatever happened to him? From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 21:23:55 2008 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:23:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Greatest Air Show on Earth In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803041650l495f6395sc0e8b6b23622fc6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <990799.11796.qm@web52306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > That leaves the forgotten one..Jay Dunn. Whatever > happened to him? >From what I understand, Jay is retired in NH. He has been ill.... Not sure of much beyond that. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 6 12:08:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:08:56 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing Message-ID: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> The Herald today looks at length at Entercom's firing of Moe Lauzier and hints that Jason Wolfe is not being entirely truthful on the matter. http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?&articleid=1078136&format=&page=2&listingType=media#articleFull Wolfe sent an email finally to Lauzier snd said "We do have several companies that are willing to spend extremely significant dollars to take over certain hours on the station, and that, nothing more, was the reason I chose to go in this direction." However there were no infomercials in place last week During Lauzier's old morning slot last Saturday, repeat shows of Tom Finneran, Reese Hopkins and Howie Carr aired. There was no paid programming. Julie Kahn also sent an email to Lauzier "Sadly, your tenure and talent had you earning a higher hourly wage then all other part-time on-air talent. We simply could not afford to pay your rate vis-a-vis the revenue that the show and day generates." Meanwhile longtime WEEI producer Rene Marchando may also be the victim of age. Rene is 57. What is really stunning about this is how Jason did not have the guts to fire Moe face to face and instead had the producer do it during his last show. Jason seems to forget the way he was let go by Tom Star years ago when Tom vanished into the night leaving unpaid staffers and landlords wondering what happened. However in fairness the Herald article also hints that Kahn is under major pressure from the home office in Philadelphia to cut costs. This Red Sox contract is killing them. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 6 14:57:12 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:57:12 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c87fc4$622f6550$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:09 PM > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing > However in fairness the Herald article also hints that Kahn > is under major pressure from the home office in Philadelphia > to cut costs. That is not an acceptable excuse for age discrimination. Pressure or not, it's still illegal! From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Mar 6 15:17:56 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing Message-ID: <20080306201756.67EF9CD8061@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> The March 4 entry of Moe's blog, http://moeissuesoftheday.blogspot.com, details some of the communications he got from Wolfe and Kahn. Wolfe's email to Moe said that times are tough, revenue needs to be generated, nothing personal. I had to wonder when I first heard about the big bucks Red Sox contract what fallout might occur at Entercom Boston... From MauOB@aol.com Thu Mar 6 16:45:50 2008 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:45:50 EST Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing Message-ID: My feeling it is purely economics and loss of interest in local programming. I am sure there will be the dreaded infomercials in place soon. I suppose contracts and recordings would take more than a week to put in place. Don't they usually have a local host these infomercial programs? Who would be likely to do these? Maureen In a message dated 3/6/2008 2:46:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kvahey@comcast.net writes: The Herald today looks at length at Entercom's firing of Moe Lauzier and hints that Jason Wolfe is not being entirely truthful on the matter. http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?&articleid=1078136&format=&page =2&listingType=media#articleFull Wolfe sent an email finally to Lauzier snd said "We do have several companies that are willing to spend extremely significant dollars to take over certain hours on the station, and that, nothing more, was the reason I chose to go in this direction." However there were no infomercials in place last week During Lauzier's old morning slot last Saturday, repeat shows of Tom Finneran, Reese Hopkins and Howie Carr aired. There was no paid programming. Julie Kahn also sent an email to Lauzier "Sadly, your tenure and talent had you earning a higher hourly wage then all other part-time on-air talent. We simply could not afford to pay your rate vis-a-vis the revenue that the show and day generates." Meanwhile longtime WEEI producer Rene Marchando may also be the victim of age. Rene is 57. What is really stunning about this is how Jason did not have the guts to fire Moe face to face and instead had the producer do it during his last show. Jason seems to forget the way he was let go by Tom Star years ago when Tom vanished into the night leaving unpaid staffers and landlords wondering what happened. However in fairness the Herald article also hints that Kahn is under major pressure from the home office in Philadelphia to cut costs. This Red Sox contract is killing them. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Mar 6 19:04:04 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:04:04 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Where is the age discrimination? They fired him for economic reasons and replaced him with repeats. Does anyone doubt that saved money? From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 6 22:33:30 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:33:30 -0500 Subject: Buster the Wonder Dog Message-ID: <47D0B78A.1070406@gmail.com> If you aren't a dog lover, I suppose this story will be lost on you. Otherwise.... It was just another Saturday morning driving to the dump (Okay, recycling center if you must). My son and I had the week's trash and recycling in the back of the pickup as we rode along listening to what else but "Music to Go to the Dump By" on WDEV Radio. That morning, however, something seemed to be not quite right. Legendary host, Ken Squire, was sounding a bit down as he spoke reminiscently of the long-running radio program, heard every Saturday morning from 9-10 a.m. since the 1950s. Squire then announced that the show would be "taking some time off for awhile" and explained that Buster the Wonder Dog, undoubtedly Ken Squires' best friend, had died. Buster wasn't just another Border Collie. Buster was a huge aspect of the mystique of WDEV. Ken would introduce the duo as Buster the Wonder Dog and his faithful companion (Ken). Ken would often speak to Buster over the open mic, often in very funny situations set up to place Buster in the control position in the relationship. Ken would describe the Border Collie as "widely regarded as the world's most intelligent dog --- not necessarily Buster." It was truly a classic example of a man and his dog. My son and I had the pleasure of meeting Buster (and his faithful companion) last year. It was one of those good times to remember. We got the feeling that Ken and Buster were rarely apart. Ken, our condolences to you and your entire radio family. Thank you for sharing Buster the Wonder Dog with the rest of us. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 6 21:53:08 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:53:08 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D0AE14.9020700@gabrielmass.com> On 03/06/2008 07:04 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > Where is the age discrimination? > > They fired him for economic reasons and replaced him with repeats. Does > anyone doubt that saved money? I suppose not. Does the ad-time for those repeat shows bring in similar revenue to the live Moe shows? --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 6 22:35:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 22:35:14 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.com> I believe Moe was the last pre-merger RKO voice left. Howie came from HDH and everybody else is gone. Moe was right when he said 25 years ago RKO might have been the best talk station in the country. Not anymore. I hope Gene Burns survives at KGO. Citadel may be tempted to go to the birdThe way they are slashing. Infomercials are nice clean revenue. No talent or ad agency fees to worry about. WEZE maybe the most profitable signal in the market as they happily lease away and have no employees to speak of. WORL handles the overflow and I'm sure WTTT is getting some nice change now for Spanish religon. WWZN can not even do that. They had another ad today inviting people to host their own sports show for a reasonable fee. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 01:30:39 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:30:39 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing References: <4fc429770803060908s4bd7e4a3k590624809d661463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007e01c8801d$a4936870$6501a8c0@s20208> > Where is the age discrimination? > > They fired him for economic reasons and replaced him with repeats. Does > anyone doubt that saved money? Does 'saving money' trump age discrimination? From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Mar 7 02:25:02 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:25:02 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D0EDCE.8040509@gabrielmass.com> On 03/06/2008 10:35 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Moe was right when he said 25 years ago RKO might have been the best > talk station in the country. Not anymore. > Yep: 25 years ago WRKO was the radio home of Jerry Williams and David Brudnoy. --rc From billohno@gmail.com Fri Mar 7 09:34:43 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:34:43 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <47D0EDCE.8040509@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.com> <47D0EDCE.8040509@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47D15283.2050206@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > On 03/06/2008 10:35 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > >> Moe was right when he said 25 years ago RKO might have been the best >> talk station in the country. Not anymore. >> > > Yep: 25 years ago WRKO was the radio home of Jerry Williams and David > Brudnoy. > > --rc > At one point, WRKO had a powerhouse lineup with Ted/Janet, Burns, Rush, Jerry. And, of course, Moe on Sat am. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From jmaihos@comcast.net Fri Mar 7 09:31:02 2008 From: jmaihos@comcast.net (John Maihos) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:31:02 -0500 Subject: But wait, there's more In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803061935i61fdbb09q9fc48d2d1c2c5719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803071504.m27F4Ej2059081@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Branching off from the Moe Lauzier thread.... I just left the infomercial business. (They seem to prefer the name "direct response advertising," possibly to legitimize the business, or to avoid the scam factor associated with some infomercials.) It seems that some radio and cable stations fight for a piece of this action. They practically give the time away rather than have the slot run empty, or incur the expense of talent. While this is a revenue boost in the short term, some would say that the long term affect on listenership will undoubtedly decrease, which will eventually decrease rates and "real" ad dollars from local business and national accounts that are more likely to be sustainable. In some ways, there is a parallel between this and the shift away from local business districts in favor of the mallification (is that a word??) of America. (The WBZ news clip of the fellow saying "generic is generic" comes to mind.) There's something to be said for the mom and pop store, just as there is something to be said for the local talent. Has anyone studied the affect of infomercials on media outlets and listeners? At 10:35 PM 3/6/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >Infomercials are nice clean revenue. No talent or ad agency fees to >worry about. >WEZE maybe the most profitable signal in the market as they happily >lease away and have no employees to speak of. -John Maihos From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 11:17:27 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:17:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <47D15283.2050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > At one point, WRKO had a powerhouse lineup with Ted/Janet, Burns, > Rush, > Jerry. And, of course, Moe on Sat am. Ted/Janet were long gone before Rush came over there...Ted left in 1990 or so to go to WHDH. Janet hung on in the mornings for a few years (I forget who her co-host was). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 8 00:51:39 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:51:39 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47D1E31B.17866.86F9D5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 May 2007 at 12:46, Scott Fybush wrote: > Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend > Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more > listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! > > I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a > one-man station in history? Well, I don't think Simon Geller ever came close! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 10:30:23 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:30:23 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <47D15283.2050206@gmail.com> <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c88131$540ae580$fc20b080$@net> Wasn't it Mike Cuthbert? Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sean Smyth Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:17 AM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing Bill O'Neill wrote: > At one point, WRKO had a powerhouse lineup with Ted/Janet, Burns, > Rush, > Jerry. And, of course, Moe on Sat am. Ted/Janet were long gone before Rush came over there...Ted left in 1990 or so to go to WHDH. Janet hung on in the mornings for a few years (I forget who her co-host was). ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Sat Mar 8 11:50:02 2008 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Anthony Abruzzese) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:50:02 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing In-Reply-To: <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D2C3BA.4040709@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Wasn't Tony Pepper paired with Janet at some point? Sean Smyth wrote: > Bill O'Neill wrote: > >> At one point, WRKO had a powerhouse lineup with Ted/Janet, Burns, >> Rush, >> Jerry. And, of course, Moe on Sat am. >> > > Ted/Janet were long gone before Rush came over there...Ted left in 1990 > or so to go to WHDH. Janet hung on in the mornings for a few years (I > forget who her co-host was). > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > -- Tony Abruzzese Dept of Biochemistry Division of Graduate Medical Sciences BU School of Medicine From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 8 13:03:02 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:03:02 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> Message-ID: <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> I am working on a profile of Larry Glick for my book, and wondered if any of you good folks used to listen to him on WBZ or elsewhere. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 8 12:52:47 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:52:47 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing References: <199277.29339.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47D2C3BA.4040709@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <00ea01c88145$38895530$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Now, there's a name I haven't heard in a while . . . What has become of Tony Pepper? (I live in Maine, so I'm out of the loop.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Abruzzese" To: ; Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Moe Lauzier smells age discrimination in his firing > Wasn't Tony Pepper paired with Janet at some point? > > Sean Smyth wrote: >> Bill O'Neill wrote: >> >>> At one point, WRKO had a powerhouse lineup with Ted/Janet, Burns, >>> Rush, Jerry. And, of course, Moe on Sat am. >>> >> >> Ted/Janet were long gone before Rush came over there...Ted left in 1990 >> or so to go to WHDH. Janet hung on in the mornings for a few years (I >> forget who her co-host was). >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >> >> >> > > > -- > Tony Abruzzese > Dept of Biochemistry > Division of Graduate Medical Sciences > BU School of Medicine > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 13:18:40 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:18:40 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> I was a Glicknic almost from Day 1 at MEX which had to be 1965. Larry was even featured in Time Magazine about his show. One night stands out. He had Pat Cooper a comedian on and they pretended to be doing the show nude. Somebody called the city censor and the police were sent to the station. The censor was Dapper O'Neill. On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: > I am working on a profile of Larry Glick for my book, and wondered if > any of you good folks used to listen to him on WBZ or elsewhere. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 15:27:00 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:27:00 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> My recollection was clubs only. He once told me a story off air. Mac Richmond once told him that everytime he played the German marching song Mac would shut his radio off. So Larry played it as often as he could. Obviously his producer Muck Meyer would know as much as anyone about Larry assuming he still with us. He was never the same after his forced year off when he left BZ for HDH. Larry had gotten dependent on being heard in 38 states and was lost just trying to be local. He made every caller feel important and never talked down or insulted a bad one. He really was the best friend for untold millions of lonely people across the country. When he left WMEX Mac didn't even try to compete against him and just ran Steve Fredricks reruns. On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 01:18 PM 3/8/2008, you wrote: > >I was a Glicknic almost from Day 1 at MEX which had to be 1965. Larry > >was even featured in Time Magazine about his show. > > I've got the article from Time. Any interesting recollections? Did > he do the hypnosis thing on the air, or was that just something he > did in the clubs? (I came to listening to his show much later, and > don't know what he was up to originally...) > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 8 15:48:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:48:59 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001801c8815d$d79f1d90$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Why don't you talk with Kenny Meyer? I believe he works at the Mass Commission for the Blind and lives in W Roxbury. And you can talk with Larry himself. He has a part-time gig as a greeter at a Legal Seafoods in Florida, where he lives. Might be in Palm Beach, W Palm Beach, or Fort Lauderdale. Rumor has it that when he left WBZ, he did not take any of the carts he had created with bits that listeners continually requested. Maybe he was afraid that if he re-used them at WHDH he would be sued for infringing on Westinghouse copyrights, but it would be interesting to find out the real reason. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Larry Glick >I am working on a profile of Larry Glick for my book, and wondered if >any of you good folks used to listen to him on WBZ or elsewhere. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 8 16:01:40 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:01:40 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net><20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c8815f$b73725a0$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Dapper O'Neil may have been the Boston Censor at that time but wasn't the post held at one point by a gentleman named Dick Sinnot? Having a censor named Sinnot struck a lot of people--including me--as very funny. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Larry Glick >I was a Glicknic almost from Day 1 at MEX which had to be 1965. Larry > was even featured in Time Magazine about his show. > > One night stands out. He had Pat Cooper a comedian on and they > pretended to be doing the show nude. Somebody called the city censor > and the police were sent to the station. > > The censor was Dapper O'Neill. > > On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: >> I am working on a profile of Larry Glick for my book, and wondered >> if >> any of you good folks used to listen to him on WBZ or elsewhere. >> >> From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Mar 8 17:48:54 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:48:54 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <001801c8815d$d79f1d90$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <128a01c8816e$97025fc0$0200a8c0@Office> The real story is that Westinghouse refused to let him take them......they send him legal letters calling it "Westinghouse Intellectual Property" - it made both the Globe and the Herald at the time. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 3:49 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Larry Glick Why don't you talk with Kenny Meyer? I believe he works at the Mass Commission for the Blind and lives in W Roxbury. And you can talk with Larry himself. He has a part-time gig as a greeter at a Legal Seafoods in Florida, where he lives. Might be in Palm Beach, W Palm Beach, or Fort Lauderdale. Rumor has it that when he left WBZ, he did not take any of the carts he had created with bits that listeners continually requested. Maybe he was afraid that if he re-used them at WHDH he would be sued for infringing on Westinghouse copyrights, but it would be interesting to find out the real reason. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Larry Glick >I am working on a profile of Larry Glick for my book, and wondered if >any of you good folks used to listen to him on WBZ or elsewhere. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 8 18:04:41 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:04:41 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> <47D1E31B.17866.86F9D5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88170$cb7ac4c0$4f9b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Scott Fybush Cc: boston Radio Interest Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:51 AM Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > On 2 May 2007 at 12:46, Scott Fybush wrote: > > > Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend > > Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more > > listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! > > > > I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a > > one-man station in history? > > Well, I don't think Simon Geller ever came close! > > -- I wonder how old James Brownyard used to do in the Erie, Pa., ratings with his WHYP in the '80s? I encountered that bizarre little station on a trip through that area in '86. He was just rambling on and on about the miserable way the Pirates were playing. I stayed tuned for about five minutes, figuring that I might be listening to an all-time screwup -- some poor guy mumbling into a live mic that he had no idea was live -- then realized that this WAS the station's format, and I tuned elsewhere. With fewer players in the Erie market, maybe WHYP occasionally popped a 1.5 or a 2.0 there, no? Howard From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 18:24:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:24:17 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <000d01c88170$cb7ac4c0$4f9b4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> <47D1E31B.17866.86F9D5@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c88170$cb7ac4c0$4f9b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770803081524gf8d4fc5w5faf03221440d2b4@mail.gmail.com> I visited Simon once just about 20 years ago. I was with a friend who made the mistake of mentioning the Northeastern station that the FCC placed on 104.9. He went into a full 20 minute tirade about the government and was so wound up he didn't even notice his selection had finished and there was dead air. Now Simon was convinced it was done to destroy the value of his license but was that really a valid claim? Jibguy has what is left of the WXKS-AM listeners who had nowhere else to go. He still holding at a 1.0 which WAMG and WWZN can only dream of. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 18:54:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:54:49 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <20080308214545.93D10682634@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <20080308214545.93D10682634@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803081554o56ea416fje84df5d9968aecf6@mail.gmail.com> I visited him many times after I got out of work. Carl the security guard just waved me through and it was a pleasure watching the man work. Charlie the cabbie was almost always there and a couple of others. Larry took great delight in the torture of waking Carl up which apparently was never a given that he actually was awake and on his way to work. You have to remember that in the 70's TV wasn't on all night until George Fennell came along on channel 5 and there was no cable. FM was just taking root but for an older audience there was just Bruce Lee at EEI, Norm Nathan at HDH, A generic jock at RKO, and who knows what at MEX.(WCOP may have been all night with country as well) Larry owned the market then and he said his biggest competition came from Bill Corsair at WCAU Philadelphia who used to do all. nights at WICE in Providence. Larry was just very, very good at doing nothing and I mean that as a complement. On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >you wrote-- > >He made every caller feel important and never talked down or insulted > >a bad one. > >He really was the best friend for untold millions of lonely people > >across the country. > > Yes, that is what I had heard. He was never rude or insulting or > nasty. And even newspapers like the Chicago Tribune knew of his work, > thanks to that big booming WBZ signal... > > From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Mar 8 19:04:43 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:04:43 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081554o56ea416fje84df5d9968aecf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12d301c88179$2e6efa30$0200a8c0@Office> Part of the job at WBZ was that you HAD to wake Carl up - at 3:45am. I was Dave Maynard and later Bob Raliegh's producer at WBZ in 1979 and 1980. We had to make that call every morning - the one morning that I forgot to do it Carl called in a panic at 4:40 - saying he would be late because no one had called him - Dave had to stay on til almost 5:30! I got a good earful from Rick Starr (PD) and Chris Whitting (Exec Producer for talk) about that one. We turned it into a little shtick - we would just dial Carl's number in Concord and put the ringing line on the air - then Dave or Bob would tell the caller 'Say Good Morning when Carl answers the phone' - people would ask to be put on hold until it got close to 3:45 so that they could be the "lucky caller" to wake Carl up. Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:55 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: Larry Glick I visited him many times after I got out of work. Carl the security guard just waved me through and it was a pleasure watching the man work. Charlie the cabbie was almost always there and a couple of others. Larry took great delight in the torture of waking Carl up which apparently was never a given that he actually was awake and on his way to work. You have to remember that in the 70's TV wasn't on all night until George Fennell came along on channel 5 and there was no cable. FM was just taking root but for an older audience there was just Bruce Lee at EEI, Norm Nathan at HDH, A generic jock at RKO, and who knows what at MEX.(WCOP may have been all night with country as well) Larry owned the market then and he said his biggest competition came from Bill Corsair at WCAU Philadelphia who used to do all. nights at WICE in Providence. Larry was just very, very good at doing nothing and I mean that as a complement. On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >you wrote-- > >He made every caller feel important and never talked down or insulted > >a bad one. > >He really was the best friend for untold millions of lonely people > >across the country. > > Yes, that is what I had heard. He was never rude or insulting or > nasty. And even newspapers like the Chicago Tribune knew of his work, > thanks to that big booming WBZ signal... > > From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 8 19:37:21 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:37:21 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >When he left WMEX Mac didn't even try to compete against him and just >ran Steve Fredricks reruns. By the time Larry left WMEX, hadn't WRKO come on the scene playin' the hits 24 hours a day? That would have changed the competitive landscape considerably. I always thought it odd that both WBZ & WMEX broke format by having a talk show kind of stuck in the middle of an otherwise Top 40 format. Don't recall hearing that in other markets (though WABC did have to carry Don McNeil''s Breakfast Club until around 1970 or so). From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 22:16:32 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:16:32 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803081916g74d40317qe233b03a30f3fd25@mail.gmail.com> Mac Richmond figured ( and was proven right ) that by 10 PM the Top 40 crowd was going to bed. My mother was a WHDH listener but she put Jerry Williams on and then called her sister in West Newton to hold the phone to the radio so she could hear it. Williams was doing something like a 50 share at WMEX.....on a station with a crappy signal On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:37 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > >When he left WMEX Mac didn't even try to compete against him and just > >ran Steve Fredricks reruns. > > > By the time Larry left WMEX, hadn't WRKO come on the scene playin' > the hits 24 hours a day? That would have changed the competitive > landscape considerably. I always thought it odd that both WBZ & WMEX > broke format by having a talk show kind of stuck in the middle of an > otherwise Top 40 format. Don't recall hearing that in other markets > (though WABC did have to carry Don McNeil''s Breakfast Club until > around 1970 or so). > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 8 22:39:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:39:33 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book Message-ID: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> I picked up Burning Up the Air by Steve Elman and Alan Tolz yesterday at Borders. So far it has been a wonderful read about the career of Jerry Williams. I haven't gotten to the WRKO part yet but anyone who doubted Jerry's impact just has to look at the seatbelt repeal vote that Jerry championed. Anywhere in the Commonwealth where WRKO could be heard voters went for the repeal. Only in Western Mass did voters want to keep the law the way it was. You never knew what would set him off but when he blew it was great radio From francini@mac.com Sun Mar 9 00:15:26 2008 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:15:26 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C53204-55D4-4A09-BA83-5E615D2DAAEA@mac.com> I grew up with Larry. For reasons best left unsaid, as a child my mom would spend a lot of time driving around greater Boston (usually North Shore or South Shore) in the middle of the night, with Larry on the air. We'd often end up staying up to see the sunrise off Revere Beach or Lynn Beach. And we'd hear Larry play the German marching song, have the cabbie on, talk to Muck, take calls from all over the 38-state signal area, and generally have a fun time. And then he'd "Reveille" just before he went off the air, after saying "Goodbye" in a whole bunch of languages. So what *was* the German marching song? I can only mentally recall snatches of it, but I'd love to find a copy of it again. He put out a record album "Larry Glick?... Let me check", but it was mostly of stuff from before I started listening in the early 70s. John On 8 Mar 2008, at 15:27, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > My recollection was clubs only. > > He once told me a story off air. Mac Richmond once told him that > everytime he played the German marching song Mac would shut his radio > off. So Larry played it as often as he could. > > Obviously his producer Muck Meyer would know as much as anyone about > Larry assuming he still with us. > > He was never the same after his forced year off when he left BZ for > HDH. Larry had gotten dependent on being heard in 38 states and was > lost just trying to be local. > > He made every caller feel important and never talked down or insulted > a bad one. > He really was the best friend for untold millions of lonely people > across the country. > > When he left WMEX Mac didn't even try to compete against him and just > ran Steve Fredricks reruns. > > On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: >> At 01:18 PM 3/8/2008, you wrote: >>> I was a Glicknic almost from Day 1 at MEX which had to be 1965. >>> Larry >>> was even featured in Time Magazine about his show. >> >> I've got the article from Time. Any interesting recollections? Did >> he do the hypnosis thing on the air, or was that just something he >> did in the clubs? (I came to listening to his show much later, and >> don't know what he was up to originally...) >> >> From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 8 23:27:31 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:27:31 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I picked up Burning Up the Air by Steve Elman and Alan Tolz yesterday > at Borders. So far it has been a wonderful read about the career of > Jerry Williams. Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more tangential NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about WMMS in Cleveland), in Monday's NERW... s From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 01:18:19 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:18:19 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <44C53204-55D4-4A09-BA83-5E615D2DAAEA@mac.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <44C53204-55D4-4A09-BA83-5E615D2DAAEA@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080309061623.91F441B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >John asked-- >So what *was* the German marching song? I can only mentally recall >snatches of it, but I'd love to find a copy of it again. I am copying this to the list since three people have mentioned it to me, and I have no clue what it was or where to get a copy of it-- as I said, I came late to being a fan of Larry's, but he seemed like such a cool guy. I'm glad I finally had the chance to meet him. Maybe other listmembers know about the song? From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 9 01:19:56 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:19:56 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081524gf8d4fc5w5faf03221440d2b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com>, <000d01c88170$cb7ac4c0$4f9b4c0c@oemcomputer>, <4fc429770803081524gf8d4fc5w5faf03221440d2b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D33B3C.3740.C112D1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Mar 2008 at 18:24, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I visited Simon once just about 20 years ago. > I was with a friend who made the mistake of mentioning the > Northeastern station that the FCC placed on 104.9. He went into a full > 20 minute tirade about the government and was so wound up he didn't > even notice his selection had finished and there was dead air. > > Now Simon was convinced it was done to destroy the value of his > license but was that really a valid claim? Well, it does prevent WODS from getting a useable signal into Boston. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 9 01:19:56 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:19:56 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <001301c8815f$b73725a0$9deca644@SatU205S5044> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net>, <001301c8815f$b73725a0$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47D33B3C.5441.C1116A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Mar 2008 at 16:01, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Dapper O'Neil may have been the Boston Censor at that time but wasn't > the post held at one point by a gentleman named Dick Sinnot? Having a > censor named Sinnot struck a lot of people--including me--as very > funny. When I worked for the Town of Brookline, back in the early 1970s, the Town Treasurer's name was Nevergelt. I've been before Judge Fine, Judge Lynch, Judge Lawless, Judge Outlaw, and Judge Feloney. That last guy, though, pronounced his name with the accent on the second syllable. And back in law school, in my criminal law course, I once read a case about sex crimes with an opinion by Judge Horny. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 9 01:19:56 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:19:56 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081916g74d40317qe233b03a30f3fd25@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net>, <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com>, <4fc429770803081916g74d40317qe233b03a30f3fd25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D33B3C.5483.C113CB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Mar 2008 at 22:16, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Mac Richmond figured ( and was proven right ) that by 10 PM the Top 40 > crowd was going to bed. I think he figured wrong. I always went to bed at 10 in those days, by parental decree, but I kept my radio on. My parents would come in and shut it off when they went to bed after the 11:00 news (and if I was still awake, I would pretend to be asleep). WCOP was the station of choice until they dropped the Top 40 format in the summer of 1962. I remember hearing some kids at school complaining that there was nothing to listen to after 10:00, which means there were others listening at that hour. Since I had an FM radio (which few people had in those days), my solution was WKBR in Manchester. Others listened to WPTR or WKBW, to the extent that they could get decent reception. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 01:22:36 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:22:36 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Scott wrote-- >Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more >tangential NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about WMMS >in Cleveland), in Monday's NERW... So did I get a mention in that WMMS book? John, bless his heart, had a tendency to take credit for things that other people on his team had done... 8-) From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 9 08:23:51 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:23:51 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com>, <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A5@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>I always thought it odd that both WBZ & WMEX broke format by having a talk show kind of stuck in the middle of an otherwise Top 40 format. Don't recall hearing that in other markets (though WABC did have to carry Don McNeil''s Breakfast Club until around 1970 or so).<< WMCA carried Barry Gray's talk show ("head of the Jewish mafia," as B. Mitchel Reed would call him) at 11 PM every night during the Good Guys era. Don McNeil's Breakfast Club disappeared on the last weekday of 1967. 1/1/1968 was the day that ABC Radio debuted the four-networks-on-one-network-circuit concept, so long-form shows like the Breakfast Club were impossible to do (in the days before satellite distribution). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 09:16:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:16:10 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> Great picture of Jerry at the old WMEX Fenway Park studio in 1958 complete with Western Union clock. After ballgames my Dad would bring me along as he sat in the audience. Once I watched Arnie running his board and was captivated. I think it is fair to say no one person changed Boston radio more than Williams. He spawned talk formats at both WNAC and WEEI. He most certainly influenced the 1959 election for Boston mayor as he embraced John Collins who was a heavy underdog. On radio voters couldn't see that Collins was disabled (polio victim?) and just heard his vision for the city. If we ever get a true radio hall of fame in Boston Williams should be the first to be elected followed by Mac Richmond. Say what you want about Mac but he took a station that had a marginal signal and made it a powerhouse for 10 years. The only mistake he made was turning down the opportunity to buy WBOS-FM for cheap money. He was convinced FM had no future as he struggled with WPGC-FM in Washington. On 3/8/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I picked up Burning Up the Air by Steve Elman and Alan Tolz yesterday > > at Borders. So far it has been a wonderful read about the career of > > Jerry Williams. > > Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more tangential > NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about WMMS in Cleveland), > in Monday's NERW... > > s > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 09:33:40 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:33:40 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A5@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A5@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803090633v5af17b16o16e7e55d05f4381@mail.gmail.com> I was told once that Mac Richmond and the owner of WMCA talked often on how to compete with the big boys. The formats did mirror each other and a friend who worked at WMCA said J Peter watched WMEX carefully. MCA wasn't as signal challenged as WMEX as it covered the city and Long Island well but not New Jersey having to protect WFIL Philadelphia. I remember when Glick first appeared unannounced on WBZ as he filled in for some forgotten DJ in late 1968. One hour into the show it was obvious the DJ would never be heard from again as the phones exploded. BTW I have that stupid German marching song stuck in my head and I haven't heard it in almost 30 years. On 3/9/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>I always thought it odd that both WBZ & WMEX > broke format by having a talk show kind of stuck in the middle of an > otherwise Top 40 format. Don't recall hearing that in other markets > (though WABC did have to carry Don McNeil''s Breakfast Club until > around 1970 or so).<< > > WMCA carried Barry Gray's talk show ("head of the Jewish mafia," as B. > Mitchel Reed would call him) at 11 PM every night during the Good Guys era. > > Don McNeil's Breakfast Club disappeared on the last weekday of 1967. > 1/1/1968 was the day that ABC Radio debuted the > four-networks-on-one-network-circuit concept, so long-form shows like the > Breakfast Club were impossible to do (in the days before satellite > distribution). > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 9 09:38:25 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:38:25 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > >> Scott wrote-- >> Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more >> tangential NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about WMMS >> in Cleveland), in Monday's NERW... > > So did I get a mention in that WMMS book? John, bless his heart, had a > tendency to take credit for things that other people on his team had > done... 8-) There are several pages worth of Donna in there, including the story (with full credit to Donna) of the discovery of Rush (the band, not the talk host!) on this side of the border. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 11:03:13 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:03:13 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> BTW we have had this discussion before of who as the first to put callers on the air and the book hints that it happened in 1934 at WJSV in Washington which I assume would later be known as WTOP. The station put a young man in a studio at the transmitter and he invited people to call in so he could find out how far the signal went. He would hold the telephone up to the mike so listeners could hear the callers. Walter Winchell heard him at a party and called in himself at 4:30 AM and then mentioned the show in his newspaper column which was said to be read by more people than anyone. The announcer was quicky hired by CBS in New York. His name? Arthur Godfrey. On 3/9/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Donna Halper wrote: > > > >> Scott wrote-- > >> Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more > >> tangential NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about WMMS > >> in Cleveland), in Monday's NERW... > > > > So did I get a mention in that WMMS book? John, bless his heart, had a > > tendency to take credit for things that other people on his team had > > done... 8-) > > There are several pages worth of Donna in there, including the story > (with full credit to Donna) of the discovery of Rush (the band, not the > talk host!) on this side of the border. > > s > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 9 11:35:19 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:35:19 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net><20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com><20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com><44C53204-55D4-4A09-BA83-5E615D2DAAEA@mac.com> <20080309061623.91F441B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001201c881fb$325254d0$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Once again, Donna: WHY DON'T YOU ASK LARRY PERSONALLY??? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "John Francini" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Larry Glick > >>John asked-- >>So what *was* the German marching song? I can only mentally recall >>snatches of it, but I'd love to find a copy of it again. > > I am copying this to the list since three people have mentioned it > to me, and I have no clue what it was or where to get a copy of it-- > as I said, I came late to being a fan of Larry's, but he seemed like > such a cool guy. I'm glad I finally had the chance to meet him. > Maybe other listmembers know about the song? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 12:27:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:27:16 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803090927m373a8f05xe2c9b39c40686e6f@mail.gmail.com> I have the weirdest recollection of Godfrey which helped shape my curiosity on how broadcasting worked. I was home sick from school and was perhaps 8 or 9. I was in my room and spinning the radio dial and came across Godfrey on WEEI. My mother was watching him on TV in the living room. The radio was a full minute ahead and I remember shocking my Mom by knowing exactly what would be said. Obviously the show was on videotape and radio was running a separate transcription but I didn't understand that then but it made me curious enough to find out. So can I blame Godfrey for putting me on this life path? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 9 12:01:41 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:01:41 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com><47D36733.9070607@fybush.com><20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> I guess the young announcer was hired by CBS, all right, but not right away in New York; he remained in DC for several years. I don't know whether the WJSV calls gave way to WTOP before, after, or coincident with NARBA (3/31/1941), which was when the DC station moved up from 1460 to 1500. (Around the time of NARBA, WTOP also increased to 50 kW.) But when I was a kid growing up in New York City in the '40s, Godfrey's AM-drive program at first orignated in DC and was heard on both WTOP and the old WABC 880 (now WCBS (AM)). After a while (still in the '40s), Godfrey moved the show to New York. At that point, I don't know whether or not WTOP still also carried it. But Godfrey himself was most assuredly still heard in DC (and on WTOP) because by then he was doing at least one show on the CBS network in addition to the AM drive show in NYC (and maybe also in DC). Now, curiously, CBS may not yet have owned WTOP at that time, but it very definitely was the CBS affiliate for DC, northern VA, and parts of MD. All of the networks were handicapped by the FCC's ownership limits, which prevented them from owning more than six stations nationally (later expanded to seven and then to seven AMs and seven FMs). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book > BTW we have had this discussion before of who as the first to put > callers on the air and the book hints that it happened in 1934 at > WJSV > in Washington which I assume would later be known as WTOP. The > station > put a young man in a studio at the transmitter and he invited people > to call in so he could find out how far the signal went. He would > hold > the telephone up to the mike so listeners could hear the callers. > Walter Winchell heard him at a party and called in himself at 4:30 > AM > and then mentioned the show in his newspaper column which was said > to > be read by more people than anyone. The announcer was quicky hired > by > CBS in New York. His name? Arthur Godfrey. > > On 3/9/08, Scott Fybush wrote: >> Donna Halper wrote: >> > >> >> Scott wrote-- >> >> Agreed! I'm reviewing that book, as well as another with more >> >> tangential NERW-land ties ("The Buzzard," by John Gorman, about >> >> WMMS >> >> in Cleveland), in Monday's NERW... >> > >> > So did I get a mention in that WMMS book? John, bless his heart, >> > had a >> > tendency to take credit for things that other people on his team >> > had >> > done... 8-) >> >> There are several pages worth of Donna in there, including the >> story >> (with full credit to Donna) of the discovery of Rush (the band, not >> the >> talk host!) on this side of the border. >> >> s >> >> From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 13:07:18 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:07:18 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20080309170755.D45BC1B4009@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Scott wrote-- >There are several pages worth of Donna in there, including the story >(with full credit to Donna) of the discovery of Rush (the band, not >the talk host!) on this side of the border. Ah okay then. I wasn't asking in order to toot my own horn; alas, while I was working there, John (for a variety of reasons) would regularly take credit for what Denny Sanders or myself or others did. There's no sour grapes on my end-- he and I have long since buried the hatchet, and I hope he did give credit to Denny for what he did at the station, as well as what I did. It was a strange era, and being the only person at the station who didn't do any drugs made me a bit of an outsider. Discovering Rush gave me a level of acceptance I hadn't had previously, since it helped the station get some positive publicity in the media-- the station did get the careers of a number of rock groups started, and helped others to become locally famous. Here's an essay I wrote in 2002 about one of those groups, the Sensational Alex Harvey Band. http://www.wunnerful.com/sahb/reviews.html From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Mar 9 13:09:01 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Larry Glick Message-ID: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I thought ABC got a waiver from the FCC to keep Breakfast Club on the air for affiliates that still wanted to carry, even though it was on borrowed time at that point. That's what I remember reading in Sterling Quinlan's "Inside ABC" at least. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sid Schweiger To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2008 8:23:51 AM Subject: RE: Larry Glick >>I always thought it odd that both WBZ & WMEX broke format by having a talk show kind of stuck in the middle of an otherwise Top 40 format. Don't recall hearing that in other markets (though WABC did have to carry Don McNeil''s Breakfast Club until around 1970 or so).<< WMCA carried Barry Gray's talk show ("head of the Jewish mafia," as B. Mitchel Reed would call him) at 11 PM every night during the Good Guys era. Don McNeil's Breakfast Club disappeared on the last weekday of 1967. 1/1/1968 was the day that ABC Radio debuted the four-networks-on-one-network-circuit concept, so long-form shows like the Breakfast Club were impossible to do (in the days before satellite distribution). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 13:15:37 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:15:37 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080309171615.53F7A1B40EA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:03 AM 3/9/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >BTW we have had this discussion before of who as the first to put >callers on the air and the book hints that it happened in 1934 at WJSV >in Washington which I assume would later be known as WTOP. The station >put a young man in a studio at the transmitter and he invited people >to call in so he could find out how far the signal went. Umm, not exactly. In my new book, I've traced putting callers on the air back to St. Paul MN (KSTP, still on the air, btw) where a performer named Johm Little who was on tour asked the announcer if people who had since his band would call in, and a bunch of calls from as far away as Texas were put on the air. That was in 1929. As with the KDKA myth, it's hard to document "firsts" from back then unless somebody wrote about it or unless somebody was actually there doing the particular thing. In the case of Little, a reporter for Associated Press was there covering something else and found it amusing to see a call put on the air. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 13:17:37 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:17:37 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Message-ID: <20080309171814.A96681B4157@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:35 AM 3/9/2008, Dan wrote: >Once again, Donna: WHY DON'T YOU ASK LARRY PERSONALLY??? Calm thyself, sir. I want to do TWO things here-- get fan recollections and talk to the people themselves. The list enables me to get fan recollections. I have Larry's number right in front of me, but he can't tell me what you guys are thinking, can he? 8-) From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 13:34:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:34:19 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <20080309171615.53F7A1B40EA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <20080309171615.53F7A1B40EA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091034r30f3f175r8507be747cc1df56@mail.gmail.com> The book does seem to sustain the theory that Long John Nebel was the first to use a delay. If also explains in detail where Mac Richmond came from and how he and Jerry had business dealings when Mac owned an ad agency in Philadelphia. When Jerry was fired at WIBG because of a format change to Top 40 Mac by then had bought WMEX and offered Jerry a job. The book describes the studio Jerry had which was used for music performances. This was the same studio that the station landlord used to stop by and listen to a man playing the organ and then hired him. The landlord was Tom Yawkey and the organist was John Kiley who played at Fenway for decades. Kiley then recommended his pal to be the PA announcer who was one Sherman Feller. From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 9 14:20:05 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:20:05 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A8@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>I thought ABC got a waiver from the FCC to keep Breakfast Club on the air for affiliates that still wanted to carry, even though it was on borrowed time at that point. That's what I remember reading in Sterling Quinlan's "Inside ABC" at least.<< It lasted exactly one more year, until 12/17/1968. However, because of its length it could not be distributed over ABC Radio's primary network of telco circuits. It would have been interrupted five times an hour by network newscasts to the four networks. During that last year it had its own distribution network and was called "The Don McNeill Show." It was offered first to affiliates of the American Entertainment Network. The reason I posted that it "disappeared" is because, for all intents and purposes, it did disappear. Its affiliate list shrank by a lot after 1/1/1968, it was off of the main ABC Radio Network and that kind of programming was out of another era in radio, which was rapidly being abandoned even on so-called adult stations. The only network radio show done in a similar style that lasted longer (and even then, not by much) was Arthur Godfrey on CBS. It should also be noted that as host of the Breakfast Club, Don McNeill lasted longer than any other host of a network entertainment program...yes, longer even than Johnny Carson or Bob Barker. Don began the show in 1933. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 9 14:20:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:20:29 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com><47D36733.9070607@fybush.com><20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com><4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <20080309171615.53F7A1B40EA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001301c88212$46106180$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> But wasn't there a fairly long stretch of years during which the FCC outlawed the broadcast of live phone conversations over the air? And wasn't some new technology required to legally make such broadcasts without running afoul of the FCC rule? If so, what was the rule? What was the new technology that made it possible to legally air phone conversations live (actually with a few seconds of delay)? And when did the new technology become commercially available in a form reliable enough for radio stations to accept it and at a cost that radio stations could afford? I think if Donna's book is going to be accepted as the definitive work on talk radio, it will have to answer those questions. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book > At 11:03 AM 3/9/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >>BTW we have had this discussion before of who as the first to put >>callers on the air and the book hints that it happened in 1934 at >>WJSV >>in Washington which I assume would later be known as WTOP. The >>station >>put a young man in a studio at the transmitter and he invited people >>to call in so he could find out how far the signal went. > > Umm, not exactly. In my new book, I've traced putting callers on > the air back to St. Paul MN (KSTP, still on the air, btw) where a > performer named Johm Little who was on tour asked the announcer if > people who had since his band would call in, and a bunch of calls > from as far away as Texas were put on the air. That was in 1929. > > As with the KDKA myth, it's hard to document "firsts" from back then > unless somebody wrote about it or unless somebody was actually there > doing the particular thing. In the case of Little, a reporter for > Associated Press was there covering something else and found it > amusing to see a call put on the air. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 9 14:27:02 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:27:02 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A8@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <001901c88213$2cfe9350$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> I guess that, at that point, Grand Ole Opry had never been heard on a network--just on one huge clear-channel (small Cs) AM signal that was heard in most of the US. But was Opry ever heard on a radio network at any point? (I'm not talking about TV.) If so, what network and when? If not, why not? From what I know of the program, it would seem to be ideal for network distribution. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Larry Glick >>I thought ABC got a waiver from the FCC to keep Breakfast Club on >>the air for affiliates that still wanted to carry, even though it >>was on borrowed time at that point. That's what I remember reading >>in Sterling Quinlan's "Inside ABC" at least.<< It lasted exactly one more year, until 12/17/1968. However, because of its length it could not be distributed over ABC Radio's primary network of telco circuits. It would have been interrupted five times an hour by network newscasts to the four networks. During that last year it had its own distribution network and was called "The Don McNeill Show." It was offered first to affiliates of the American Entertainment Network. The reason I posted that it "disappeared" is because, for all intents and purposes, it did disappear. Its affiliate list shrank by a lot after 1/1/1968, it was off of the main ABC Radio Network and that kind of programming was out of another era in radio, which was rapidly being abandoned even on so-called adult stations. The only network radio show done in a similar style that lasted longer (and even then, not by much) was Arthur Godfrey on CBS. It should also be noted that as host of the Breakfast Club, Don McNeill lasted longer than any other host of a network entertainment program...yes, longer even than Johnny Carson or Bob Barker. Don began the show in 1933. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 15:42:32 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:42:32 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <001301c88212$46106180$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <20080309171615.53F7A1B40EA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001301c88212$46106180$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080309194310.1F6E9C30C@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 02:20 PM 3/9/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >But wasn't there a fairly long stretch of years during which the FCC >outlawed the broadcast of live phone conversations over the air? And >wasn't some new technology required to legally make such broadcasts >without running afoul of the FCC rule? If so, what was the rule? What >was the new technology that made it possible to legally air phone >conversations live (actually with a few seconds of delay)? And when >did the new technology become commercially available in a form >reliable enough for radio stations to accept it and at a cost that >radio stations could afford? > >I think if Donna's book is going to be accepted as the definitive work >on talk radio, it will have to answer those questions. I am not sure my book will be the definitive anything-- I'm gonna try to answer as many questions as I can, but my book is part of a series so I doubt they'll let me go on as long as I'd like to! The reality is I've found only a couple of mentions of the government saying "don't put phone calls on the air"-- back in 1923, the Department of Commerce, trying its best to separate commercial radio from ham radio, did issue such a statement, but it's pretty obvious that by 1926-7, everyone was ignoring it, as there are numerous stories in the mainstream press of stations occasionally putting a call on the air. The problem seems to have been the quality of the phone lines, as well as the extreme expense of long distance calls in those days. The need for a delay seems to also have been based on various readings of FCC comments about "personal attack"-- this can't be explained in a short e-mail (since I'm on a deadline) but the impetus for the personal attack rule and the Mayflower Decision came from the fear the government had in the late 30s/early 40s that the media could easily be taken over by "subversives" who would use broadcasting for the purpose of propaganda (the way "Tokyo Rose" and others did during WW2). There was great concern that these alleged 'subversives' in the US might try to undermine democracy by putting anti-American propaganda on the air. There may indeed have been some truth to this, since some of the foreign language shows turned out to indeed be screeds against the US, but it was an exaggeration to say such shows were common. Anyway, beginning in 1938-9, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis was created, to encourage schools to teach anti-Nazi courses, but it also encouraged that these courses stress that the US never engages in propaganda... Anyway, in the 1940s, that great fear of propaganda persisted, leading to the 1949 decision that stations COULD editorialize as long as they presented both sides, and a later decision that if somebody was personally attacked on the air, he or she had a right to respond (see the Red Lion decision from 1967, if my memory serves). Bottom line-- stations feared that letting a caller go directly onto the airwaves could lead to personal attacks and obscene language. Many early hosts paraphrased calls, even when technology permitted them to be aired, to avoid having the FCC come down on them-- and back in those days, the FCC was a lot more pro-active. Other hosts began to use a delay and a beep, but that's a subject for another post. But my research shows that delays were being used in the mid 1960s. Some shows may have used them earlier, but they became common at that point. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 16:43:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:43:43 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47D44303.6060408@verizon.net> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> <47D44303.6060408@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091343t49f24567p9802f99760503d90@mail.gmail.com> The authors screwed up on Jerry's return to Boston at BZ after KABC took an offer off the table in 68. They said BZ would fire Tom Kennedy to make room for Jerry when it was actually Bob Kennedy. The irony is Bob wound up at KABC From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 9 16:54:05 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:54:05 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com><47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> From: > I think it is fair to say no one person changed Boston radio more than > Williams. He spawned talk formats at both WNAC and WEEI. Williams was on WEEI and WNAC? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 17:07:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091407g3324b8f0s60dd130bed9155b8@mail.gmail.com> Jerry was not on EEI or NAC but the ratings he was generating at MEX caused both stations to shift to talk. After JFK was shot the next Pulse rating book showed Jerry with a 75 share. Also Jerry was responsible for Glick moving to BZ the book claims. On 3/9/08, Don A wrote: > From: > > > I think it is fair to say no one person changed Boston radio more than > > Williams. He spawned talk formats at both WNAC and WEEI. > > Williams was on WEEI and WNAC? > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 9 17:07:39 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:07:39 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <47D1E31B.17866.86F9D5@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> <47D1E31B.17866.86F9D5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47D4519B.2080202@gmail.com> > Well, I don't think Simon Geller ever came close! > > All together now, good and _loud_ ... Yaw listening to Dubba you vee cee a in GLAWsta MASSaCHUsits... From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:08:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:08:37 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> OK now the authors are flat out wrong. They write that Larry King replced Herp Jepko on Mutual in 1978. King replaced Long John Nebel. They also make a big deal about Mac Richmond dying in November of 1971 at the same time Jerry's father died. Mac died in October and I have a strong memory of that night. I was board op with Phil Durkin (JJ Jordan) that Friday morning when word of Mac's death hit. Phil completely broke format and he and Fred Lowrey who was the MEX news director had a tribute to the death of Mac where Fred said on RKO that we plan a tribute by employees for Mac and that should take 10 seconds. Phil didn't care as he had been told earlier that day his contract was not being renewed. I know it was October as later that morning my Mom had a stroke and she died 10 days later on November 5th From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 19:22:08 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:22:08 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080309232246.20F181B400B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 07:08 PM 3/9/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >OK now the authors are flat out wrong. They write that Larry King >replced Herp Jepko on Mutual in 1978. King replaced Long John Nebel. I found several other factual errors in the book. The authors are two wonderful guys who worked with Jerry, but by their own admission, they are NOT historians-- they just tried to write a book about Jerry. They've started up a website and asked me to send them any errors I can find. That was certainly one, but I found a number of others. Want me to send some of the errors you observed directly to the authors? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 9 19:34:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:34:29 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com><47D36733.9070607@fybush.com><4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com><010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> Are you saying that the sequence was Jepko, Nebel, King? My impression is that Nebel (later with his wife as co-host) was on Mutual overnights for quite a long time--not nearly as long as King, but still a long time) and that Jepco was not on Mutual all that long, but he was on KSL and at least one other 50-kW station for years and years before he was on Mutual. Wasn't his show called Nightcap or something like that? I surely can't recall the sequence of hosts but I wouldn't bet on Jepco having preceded Nebel. Also, didn't Nebel deal mainly with the sort of black helecopter stuff that Art Bell later made so popular? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Don A" Cc: "BRI" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book > OK now the authors are flat out wrong. They write that Larry King > replced Herp Jepko on Mutual in 1978. King replaced Long John Nebel. > > They also make a big deal about Mac Richmond dying in November of > 1971 > at the same time Jerry's father died. Mac died in October and I have > a > strong memory of that night. I was board op with Phil Durkin (JJ > Jordan) that Friday morning when word of Mac's death hit. Phil > completely broke format and he and Fred Lowrey who was the MEX news > director had a tribute to the death of Mac where Fred said on RKO > that > we plan a tribute by employees for Mac and that should take 10 > seconds. > > Phil didn't care as he had been told earlier that day his contract > was > not being renewed. > > I know it was October as later that morning my Mom had a stroke and > she died 10 days later on November 5th From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Mar 9 20:10:14 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:10:14 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47d47c7b.0e36640a.417e.ffffb9e9@mx.google.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >They also make a big deal about Mac Richmond dying in November of 1971 >at the same time Jerry's father died. Mac died in October and I have a >strong memory of that night. > >I know it was October as later that morning my Mom had a stroke and >she died 10 days later on November 5th According to the photo caption on the front of the WMEX New Music Survey dated October 28, 1971 Mac died on Oct. 21. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 20:16:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:16:56 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091716g33687a99y34742e285d18142c@mail.gmail.com> I know for certain that King took over for Nebel and his wife (Candy) because King would harp that they were down to 28 stations (WITS being one). Jepko had for a few years a 3 station hookup that gave him all 48 states....KSL, WHAS Louisville and WBAL Baltimore. On 3/9/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Are you saying that the sequence was Jepko, Nebel, King? My impression > is that Nebel (later with his wife as co-host) was on Mutual > overnights for quite a long time--not nearly as long as King, but > still a long time) and that Jepco was not on Mutual all that long, but > he was on KSL and at least one other 50-kW station for years and years > before he was on Mutual. Wasn't his show called Nightcap or something > like that? I surely can't recall the sequence of hosts but I wouldn't > bet on Jepco having preceded Nebel. Also, didn't Nebel deal mainly > with the sort of black helecopter stuff that Art Bell later made so > popular? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Don A" > Cc: "BRI" > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book > > > > OK now the authors are flat out wrong. They write that Larry King > > replced Herp Jepko on Mutual in 1978. King replaced Long John Nebel. > > > > They also make a big deal about Mac Richmond dying in November of > > 1971 > > at the same time Jerry's father died. Mac died in October and I have > > a > > strong memory of that night. I was board op with Phil Durkin (JJ > > Jordan) that Friday morning when word of Mac's death hit. Phil > > completely broke format and he and Fred Lowrey who was the MEX news > > director had a tribute to the death of Mac where Fred said on RKO > > that > > we plan a tribute by employees for Mac and that should take 10 > > seconds. > > > > Phil didn't care as he had been told earlier that day his contract > > was > > not being renewed. > > > > I know it was October as later that morning my Mom had a stroke and > > she died 10 days later on November 5th > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 20:23:53 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:23:53 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <20080309232246.20F181B400B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <20080309232246.20F181B400B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091723o1c426384xf70f85bd7f6e8f5c@mail.gmail.com> Yes or even better send me a link to their website Bob Kennedy's widow is not a happy camper about this. On 3/9/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 07:08 PM 3/9/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > >OK now the authors are flat out wrong. They write that Larry King > >replced Herp Jepko on Mutual in 1978. King replaced Long John Nebel. > > I found several other factual errors in the book. The authors are > two wonderful guys who worked with Jerry, but by their own admission, > they are NOT historians-- they just tried to write a book about > Jerry. They've started up a website and asked me to send them any > errors I can find. That was certainly one, but I found a number of > others. Want me to send some of the errors you observed directly to > the authors? > > From lspin@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 20:13:25 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:13:25 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803090633v5af17b16o16e7e55d05f4381@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <47d33154.2035640a.6ee2.ffff8c06@mx.google.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D808E808A5@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803090633v5af17b16o16e7e55d05f4381@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c88243$8f674a70$ae35df50$@net> I am loving this Larry Glick thread! I remember that Larry Glick mentioned on one of his appearances with Steve Laveille on WBZ that the name of the German March was (this is spelled phonetically, so forgive me), 'Der Krauwinklers Landstrom.' If you are interested in getting a noisy copy of Larry Glick's legendary end-of-show routine (including German March), email me privately. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Larry Glick BTW I have that stupid German marching song stuck in my head and I haven't heard it in almost 30 years. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 21:16:51 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:16:51 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080310011729.58B57C1EA@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 07:34 PM 3/9/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Are you saying that the sequence was Jepko, Nebel, King? My impression >is that Nebel (later with his wife as co-host) was on Mutual >overnights for quite a long time--not nearly as long as King, but >still a long time) and that Jepco was not on Mutual all that long, but >he was on KSL and at least one other 50-kW station for years and years >before he was on Mutual. Umm, I have his writings, his personal papers, and assorted other memorabilia, and I can assure you Herb was on Mutual FIRST. First nationally syndicated late night talk show, 4 November 1975. Cancelled on 29 May 1977, replaced by Nebel, which generated huge amounts of outrage. Even the national media picked up the story. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 21:19:29 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:19:29 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Dan wrote-- >Wasn't his show called Nightcap or something >like that? I surely can't recall the sequence of hosts but I wouldn't >bet on Jepco having preceded Nebel. I would absolutely bet on it, because that's what happened. Herb Jepko's Nitecaps show debuted in early February 1964 on KSL, and he did some of his own syndicating till Mutual finally picked him up. Built up a large audience of overnight fans, had a club with a membership card, annual conventions, volunteer groups called Nitestands that did good deeds in the community, etc. By all accounts, a very good person whose audience was considered "too old" by Mutual... From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 21:23:03 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:23:03 -0500 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <20080310011729.58B57C1EA@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310011729.58B57C1EA@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091823r2061cf6ft616b3270f7da6778@mail.gmail.com> Donna I am pretty certain that Jepko was never cleared in Boston. WITS did pick up Nebel and then stayed with King in 78. As I posted earlier Jepko was heard in this area on WBAL Baltimore and his other 2 stations were WHAS Louisville and KSL Salt Lake which in theory gave him nationwide coverage before mutual came calling. On 3/9/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 07:34 PM 3/9/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >Are you saying that the sequence was Jepko, Nebel, King? My impression > >is that Nebel (later with his wife as co-host) was on Mutual > >overnights for quite a long time--not nearly as long as King, but > >still a long time) and that Jepco was not on Mutual all that long, but > >he was on KSL and at least one other 50-kW station for years and years > >before he was on Mutual. > > Umm, I have his writings, his personal papers, and assorted other > memorabilia, and I can assure you Herb was on Mutual FIRST. First > nationally syndicated late night talk show, 4 November > 1975. Cancelled on 29 May 1977, replaced by Nebel, which generated > huge amounts of outrage. Even the national media picked up the story. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 21:25:35 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:25:35 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <47d47c7b.0e36640a.417e.ffffb9e9@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <47d47c7b.0e36640a.417e.ffffb9e9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080310012613.274ABC0B2@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >about Mac Richmond dying, it was said-- >According to the photo caption on the front of the WMEX New Music >Survey dated October 28, 1971 Mac died on Oct. 21. The Massachusetts Death Index also gives that as the date of his death-- and it was really sudden too. I still recall John H. Garabedian, who by all accounts hated the guy (as did most people who worked for him-- he was a genius, but a pain in the *** to work for) doing this eulogy about how he walked among us, he was so brilliant, etc Made me wanna lose my lunch... From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Mar 9 21:26:49 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:26:49 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> At 09:19 PM 3/9/2008, Donna Halper wrote: >I would absolutely bet on it, because that's what happened. Herb >Jepko's Nitecaps show debuted in early February 1964 on KSL, and he >did some of his own syndicating till Mutual finally picked him >up. Built up a large audience of overnight fans, had a club with a >membership card, annual conventions, volunteer groups called >Nitestands that did good deeds in the community, etc. By all >accounts, a very good person whose audience was considered "too old" >by Mutual... Wasn't the show considered an outreach of or otherwise affiliated with the Mormon church? I also remember a separate Nitecaps show with a different host on WRFM in New York, I think in the late 60's/early 70's. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 9 21:35:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:35:52 -0500 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803091835l42526459o873780ffd39dd68a@mail.gmail.com> The flagship was KSL Salt Lake which was owned by Bonneville Broadcasting wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However I can not recall Jepko ever making this fact known as I have dealt with Bonneville on TV truck issues. They run broadcasting like a business. On 3/9/08, Larry Weil wrote: > At 09:19 PM 3/9/2008, Donna Halper wrote: > > >I would absolutely bet on it, because that's what happened. Herb > >Jepko's Nitecaps show debuted in early February 1964 on KSL, and he > >did some of his own syndicating till Mutual finally picked him > >up. Built up a large audience of overnight fans, had a club with a > >membership card, annual conventions, volunteer groups called > >Nitestands that did good deeds in the community, etc. By all > >accounts, a very good person whose audience was considered "too old" > >by Mutual... > > Wasn't the show considered an outreach of or otherwise affiliated > with the Mormon church? > > I also remember a separate Nitecaps show with a different host on > WRFM in New York, I think in the late 60's/early 70's. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From rcarpen1@verizon.net Sun Mar 9 16:05:23 2008 From: rcarpen1@verizon.net (rj carpenter) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:05:23 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com><47D36733.9070607@fybush.com><20080309062039.D9CAA1B4065@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><47D3E851.7010604@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090803o31adcae8lfc470e8334b06c8f@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c881fe$debbe030$9deca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47D44303.6060408@verizon.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I guess the young announcer was hired by CBS, all right, but not > right away in New York; he remained in DC for several years. Godfrey moved to WJSV in the early/mid 30s, signing on the station from the transmitter which was near the present location of National Airport. A tour of the present 1500 building usually includes being shouwn the transmitter / program log signed by Godfrey. > I don't know whether the WJSV calls gave way to WTOP before, after, > or coincident with NARBA (3/31/1941), which was when the DC station > moved up from 1460 to 1500. (Around the time of NARBA, WTOP also > increased to 50 kW.) The move to Wheaton, MD, coincided with the > increase to 50 kW. and three-tower DA. Western Electric used to show > the transmitter room in their glossy ads. The WTOP call appeared during WW2, IIRC. > But when I was a kid growing up in New York City in the '40s, > Godfrey's AM-drive program at first orignated in DC and was heard on > both WTOP and the old WABC 880 (now WCBS (AM)). After a while (still > in the '40s), Godfrey moved the show to New York. At that point, I > don't know whether or not WTOP still also carried it. It was duplicated for at least a while after he went to NYC in the 40s, then the DC mornings were hosted by Mark Evans (Marcus Austad). I remember my aunt was a regular Godfrey listener as had been my grandmother before she died in 1942. > But Godfrey himself was most assuredly still heard in DC (and on > WTOP) because by then he was doing at least one show on the CBS > network in addition to the AM drive show in NYC (and maybe also in > DC). Now, curiously, CBS may not yet have owned WTOP at that time, > but it very definitely was the CBS affiliate for DC, northern VA, and > parts of MD. CBS bought WJSV in the early-mid 30s. They sold half to the Washington Post in the 40s and then the remaining half. > All of the networks were handicapped by the FCC's ownership limits, > which prevented them from owning more than six stations nationally > (later expanded to seven and then to seven AMs and seven FMs). But CBS originated a lot of news from WJSV/WTOP, even after the Post was in ownership. bob c. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 22:03:31 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:03:31 -0400 Subject: enjoying the new Jerry Williams book In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803091823r2061cf6ft616b3270f7da6778@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310011729.58B57C1EA@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803091823r2061cf6ft616b3270f7da6778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080310020409.2349F1B4006@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 09:23 PM 3/9/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Donna > >I am pretty certain that Jepko was never cleared in Boston. WITS did >pick up Nebel and then stayed with King in 78. The original question wasn't about Boston-- Dan said that Jepko wasn't on Mutual first. And yet... he was. Thr closest Jepko came to Boston was that he was picked up in Bridgeport CT when he was establishing his own little network in the early 70s. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 22:04:57 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:04:57 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080310020535.76A9E1B4079@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Larry asked-- >Wasn't the show considered an outreach of or otherwise affiliated >with the Mormon church? Actually, Herb was a non-practicing Catholic and that became a problem, from what I'm told. Some of the folks at KSL were not happy to have a (gasp) secular person doing a radio show, even on the overnights. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 9 22:46:18 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:46:18 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) Message-ID: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Do any of you recall Jean Shepherd (not the late great John Shepard 3rd, but the NY-based talk host and raconteur) on the air at WNAC in Boston? I just found an article from late 1965 that says he was... but I truly don't recall because I was only listening to WBZ and WMEX back then... From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 9 23:16:10 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:16:10 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47D4A7FA.5070002@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Do any of you recall Jean Shepherd (not the late great John Shepard 3rd, > but the NY-based talk host and raconteur) on the air at WNAC in Boston? > I just found an article from late 1965 that says he was... but I truly > don't recall because I was only listening to WBZ and WMEX back then... There's a reference to Shepherd doing some shows specifically for Boston (on tape, IIRC) in the biography that came out a couple of years back, "Excelsior You Fathead!" I don't own a copy (borrowed it from the library), so I can't offer a citation, but if you can get your hands on a copy, it should answer that question. Shepherd also did shows for WGBH, but that's another story. s From rbello@belloassoc.com Sun Mar 9 23:18:41 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:18:41 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420803092018i3283ca71r2b4da43a5d605d34@mail.gmail.com> In the summer of 1975 WBZ did a weekend of old time radio from Hyannis as a fund raiser. Included was Jean Shephard who did a live 1 hour program. His storytelling started a point A went in many directions without pause and ended at the end of the hour back where he started. He was excellent. On 3/9/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > Do any of you recall Jean Shepherd (not the late great John Shepard > 3rd, but the NY-based talk host and raconteur) on the air at WNAC in > Boston? I just found an article from late 1965 that says he was... > but I truly don't recall because I was only listening to WBZ and WMEX > back then... > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 10 00:33:48 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:33:48 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <47D33B3C.3740.C112D1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com>, <4fc429770803081524gf8d4fc5w5faf03221440d2b4@mail.gmail.com>, <47D33B3C.3740.C112D1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47D481EC.14498.533CB7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Mar 2008 at 1:19, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Well, it does prevent WODS from getting a useable signal into Boston. I've got to stop writing these things late at night. I meant WBOQ. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 10 00:33:49 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:33:49 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <276826.63618.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D481ED.7304.534199@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Mar 2008 at 10:09, Maureen Carney wrote: > I thought ABC got a waiver from the FCC to keep Breakfast Club on the > air for affiliates that still wanted to carry, even though it was on > borrowed time at that point. That's what I remember reading in > Sterling Quinlan's "Inside ABC" at least. The way I understood the waiver, ABC split its radio network into four networks. They got around the old 1940s prohibition against operating more than one network by having the different networks' programs at different parts of the hour, so that no two shows were on simultaneously. This worked except for Breakfast Club, which had to run for the whole hour. That was what the waiver was for, as I recall. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 10 00:57:56 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:57:56 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803091835l42526459o873780ffd39dd68a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> <4fc429770803091835l42526459o873780ffd39dd68a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D4BFD4.5070204@gabrielmass.com> On 03/09/2008 09:35 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The flagship was KSL Salt Lake which was owned by Bonneville > Broadcasting wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > Saints. However I can not recall Jepko ever making this fact known as > I have dealt with Bonneville on TV truck issues. They run broadcasting > like a business. They've started another late-night talk show "Nightside" on KSL and some other Bonneville stations -- well, at least on their WWWT in Washington. It's meant to be cocky and funny, but some of the hosts come across as not quite intellectual enough for my refined New England tastes. http://nightside.ksl.com/ From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 10 01:02:58 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:02:58 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <47D4BFD4.5070204@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> <4fc429770803091835l42526459o873780ffd39dd68a@mail.gmail.com> <47D4BFD4.5070204@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47D4C102.7000906@fybush.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > On 03/09/2008 09:35 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> The flagship was KSL Salt Lake which was owned by Bonneville >> Broadcasting wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day >> Saints. However I can not recall Jepko ever making this fact known as >> I have dealt with Bonneville on TV truck issues. They run broadcasting >> like a business. > > They've started another late-night talk show "Nightside" on KSL and some > other Bonneville stations -- well, at least on their WWWT in Washington. > It's meant to be cocky and funny, but some of the hosts come across as > not quite intellectual enough for my refined New England tastes. > http://nightside.ksl.com/ "Nightside Project," to give it its full name - and as of this week, it's off 3WT in Washington and KIRO in Seattle and again being heard only on KSL from 7-10 PM MT. Whether or not you like the show (it's definitely an acquired taste), I'll give Bonneville credit for at least addressing the question of how to attract younger listeners to its news-talk stations. At KIRO, they hired former NPR host Luke Burbank to host a new evening show called, so help me, "Too Beautiful To Live." Reviews on that one are mixed as well... s From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 10 01:43:37 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:43:37 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <47D4C102.7000906@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803081939y1318e01o25ae093881e7c59f@mail.gmail.com> <47D36733.9070607@fybush.com> <4fc429770803090616uafbce25pb5561ae00f72f952@mail.gmail.com> <010e01c88228$8cc8ed20$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803091608g52ae666esf80853f163e08209@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8823e$22c4b880$d6eda644@SatU205S5044> <20080310012007.2B068C286@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <200803100126.m2A1QmM7020543@mac.com> <4fc429770803091835l42526459o873780ffd39dd68a@mail.gmail.com> <47D4BFD4.5070204@gabrielmass.com> <47D4C102.7000906@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47D4CA89.9000001@gabrielmass.com> On 03/10/2008 01:02 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > "Nightside Project," to give it its full name - and as of this week, > it's off 3WT in Washington and KIRO in Seattle and again being heard > only on KSL from 7-10 PM MT. > > Whether or not you like the show (it's definitely an acquired taste), > I'll give Bonneville credit for at least addressing the question of how > to attract younger listeners to its news-talk stations. At KIRO, they > hired former NPR host Luke Burbank to host a new evening show called, so > help me, "Too Beautiful To Live." Reviews on that one are mixed as well... > > s Parts of "Nightside Project" were fine; the thing that put me off most was when they called some expert, ostensibly to talk about a news story, but wasted his time by playing dumb over the phone. If I were to do that to someone, it would be considered an "annoyance call". If the news department ever calls this expert up, they're going to have to start by apologizing for the behavior of the talk-show guys. --rc From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 10 07:46:58 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:46:58 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) References: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001e01c882a4$744f2350$f5eca644@SatU205S5044> Come on, Donna: As a radio personality--even if mainly on only one station--WOR--JEAN Shepard was FAR better known than was station (and regional network) owner JOHN Shepard. Since you are the world's leading expert on John Shepard, I will have to accept your assessment that he merits the adjective "great," but to radio listeners, and even to a radio geek like me, if I were going to assign "great" to only one of them, it would be to Jean; I actually listened to him and found the weird world he created in words to be thoroughly engrossing. My father, who scarcely listened to the radio for anything but news, listened regularly to Jean, and, as far as I could tell, really enjoyed his program. That certainly gives Jean Separd a rating of exceptional in my book. As for John Shepard, he was an ownership/management guy. How many of the people who listened to his stations and networks even knew he existed? I did not until you brought him to my attention--decades after his death. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) > Do any of you recall Jean Shepherd (not the late great John Shepard > 3rd, but the NY-based talk host and raconteur) on the air at WNAC in > Boston? I just found an article from late 1965 that says he was... > but I truly don't recall because I was only listening to WBZ and > WMEX back then... From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 08:24:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:24:45 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803100524i11ba410fped630601ad8b62e6@mail.gmail.com> Jean was on WNAC for a couple of years but it was simply a simulcast of his WOR show. RKO actally had a decicated microwave relay between WOR and WNAC that was used on occasion by both radio & TV. TV used it for such shows as Al Capp and the ill fated Dave Garroway show. The relay was first built in the early 60's to feed sporting events from both NY and Boston to RKO's pay station in Hartford. On 3/9/08, Donna Halper wrote: > Do any of you recall Jean Shepherd (not the late great John Shepard > 3rd, but the NY-based talk host and raconteur) on the air at WNAC in > Boston? I just found an article from late 1965 that says he was... > but I truly don't recall because I was only listening to WBZ and WMEX > back then... > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 10 12:19:09 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:19:09 -0400 Subject: late night talk (was Jerry Williams) In-Reply-To: <001e01c882a4$744f2350$f5eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080310024656.B1849728940@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001e01c882a4$744f2350$f5eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080310161951.BBC671B4045@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 07:46 AM 3/10/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Come on, Donna: As a radio personality--even if mainly on only one >station--WOR--JEAN Shepard was FAR better known than was station (and >regional network) owner JOHN Shepard. Since you are the world's >leading expert on John Shepard, I will have to accept your assessment >that he merits the adjective "great," but to radio listeners, and even >to a radio geek like me, if I were going to assign "great" to only one >of them, it would be to Jean; All I was saying, oh ye of little sense of humor, was that on this list, more people might know the late great John Shepard 3rd rather than the equally late and great Jean Shepherd. Each was great for a different reason. That's my opinion. Of course I could be wrong. From HeritageRadio@msn.com Mon Mar 10 02:43:15 2008 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:43:15 -0400 Subject: Don McNeil / Breakfast Club Message-ID: The Don McNeil Breakfast Club was first broadcast in Chicago under the name, The Pepper Pot on The Blue Network on June 23, 1933. It ended its long tenure on the air on December 27, 1968. Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com From HeritageRadio@msn.com Mon Mar 10 02:56:47 2008 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:56:47 -0400 Subject: Grand Ole Opry Message-ID: The Grand Ole Opry was first heard on WSM on November 28, 1925 and continues to this day. A national network segment. NBC began picking up segments of the show in 1939 which were broadcast to "selected" NBC stations. By the mid 40's the entire 30-minute segment was broadcast on the full NBC network and remained available until 1957. Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Mon Mar 10 15:50:00 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:00 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803081554o56ea416fje84df5d9968aecf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net> <20080308180106.40AF11B4027@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081018y202456e3r99b362e07d8f9e14@mail.gmail.com> <20080308183153.85DF71B403B@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081227j49312555oc2e6a7afc714f1e8@mail.gmail.com> <20080308214545.93D10682634@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803081554o56ea416fje84df5d9968aecf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D590E8.6050005@tampabay.rr.com> Kevin, roger on WCOP AM being on all night with country music. I was there 1970-75. Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I visited him many times after I got out of work. Carl the security > guard just waved me through and it was a pleasure watching the man > work. Charlie the cabbie was almost always there and a couple of > others. > > Larry took great delight in the torture of waking Carl up which > apparently was never a given that he actually was awake and on his way > to work. > > You have to remember that in the 70's TV wasn't on all night until > George Fennell came along on channel 5 and there was no cable. FM was > just taking root but for an older audience there was just Bruce Lee at > EEI, Norm Nathan at HDH, A generic jock at RKO, and who knows what at > MEX.(WCOP may have been all night with country as well) Larry owned > the market then and he said his biggest competition came from Bill > Corsair at WCAU Philadelphia who used to do all. nights at WICE in > Providence. > > Larry was just very, very good at doing nothing and I mean that as a complement. > > On 3/8/08, Donna Halper wrote: > >>> you wrote-- >>> He made every caller feel important and never talked down or insulted >>> a bad one. >>> He really was the best friend for untold millions of lonely people >>> across the country. >>> >> Yes, that is what I had heard. He was never rude or insulting or >> nasty. And even newspapers like the Chicago Tribune knew of his work, >> thanks to that big booming WBZ signal... >> >> >> > > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 18:19:39 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:19:39 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway Message-ID: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> The Williams book spent some time exploring a fascinating character that was all over the radio in the 60's and 70's who claimed he had ESP - Dr. Gilbert Holloway. This guy showed up everywhere on the radio. WMEX used to break format and have him on in the middle of the day taking phone calls from people who wanted advice. Anybody know more about him? From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 19:29:03 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:29:03 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <4fc429770803101629y73a9537eq725f728c12a000e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Alan and good luck with the book. I enjoyed it... Mac Richmond must have loved the good Dr because as I mentioned he was on during the day as well at WMEX. My recollection of him that he was very low key in promoting his services for profit he just seemed like he enjoyed doing it. I heard him on numerous stations. From iraapple@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 19:39:24 2008 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:39:24 -0500 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b501c88307$f9fd35b0$a304fb45@IraApple> I used to have Dr. Holloway on my program in Pittsburgh. Probably had him more than a dozen times both on WJAS and lined him up for KDKA's Mike Levine show. Of all those who did the ESP or clairvoyance routine, he certainly was the most clever and in all fairness, the most intuitive. He always ended his session with a caller by saying something like, "This is Gilbert Holloway, coming to you in the spirit." He rolled his "r" when he pronounced "spirit". He made the rounds of talk shows all over the country. He defended himself quit well in response to my skepticism. I would throw in a number of doubts about his abilities, then we would take a couple of calls mostly from people who wanted to believe. He was smooth in covering up or distracting the conversation if a caller would say he was not correct in his reading. He always registered high on the phone counters (a device put in our control room by AT & T which would register the number of tries on the lines many years before Caller ID.) Like many others who practiced his craft, Dr. Holloway was well prepared for any goofs he might make when the callers would say to him, "Tell me something about myself." On that prompt, and often only on that prompt, Dr. Holloway would undoubtedly sense tension, fear, nervousness, education, sadness and a host of emotions based on the callers voice. Of the many "fun" shows with guests like Hans Holzer (Ghost Hunter), Cybil Leek (Witchcraft)and a number of regional people, I would put him near the top of the list in attracting callers. If he is alive today, he would know I said that. Ira Apple -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:20 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest; Donna Halper; Scott Fybush Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway The Williams book spent some time exploring a fascinating character that was all over the radio in the 60's and 70's who claimed he had ESP - Dr. Gilbert Holloway. This guy showed up everywhere on the radio. WMEX used to break format and have him on in the middle of the day taking phone calls from people who wanted advice. Anybody know more about him? From atolz@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 19:11:56 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:11:56 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Dr. Gilbert Holloway passed away in the late 1990's. He was a frequent guest on Jerry Williams' shows over the years. He was from New Mexico and he and his wife would drive their mobile home cross country appearing on radio stations, earning money by doing psychic readings after the broadcasts. His hook was to have callers say only, "Dr. Holloway, can you tell me something about myself?" and he's launch off into all sorts of things that people wanted to believe, so they'd always say how accurate he was. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway > The Williams book spent some time exploring a fascinating character > that was all over the radio in the 60's and 70's who claimed he had > ESP - Dr. Gilbert Holloway. This guy showed up everywhere on the > radio. WMEX used to break format and have him on in the middle of the > day taking phone calls from people who wanted advice. > > Anybody know more about him? > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 10 22:13:21 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:13:21 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <20080311021400.F00F01D5BD1@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 07:11 PM 3/10/2008, Alan Tolz wrote: >Dr. Gilbert Holloway passed away in the late 1990's. He was a >frequent guest on Jerry Williams' shows over the years. He was from >New Mexico and he and his wife would drive their mobile home cross >country appearing on radio stations, earning money by doing psychic >readings after the broadcasts. Ah yes, one of the many phony psychics, a master of what we skeptics call "cold reading"... he got written up in all sorts of newspapers and magazines, plus he had a column of his own for a while. Most of his predictions didn't happen, but enough did for him to seem credible to some people. He even persuaded the TV station in Deming NM to give him a TV show... at various times, he claimed he was a Christian minister AND a psychic. Interesting combination. The one he got right was that Lyndon Johnson wouldn't run for president in 1968, and he seems to have parlayed that into some credibility as a pundit... His bio said he was an evangelist, a counselor, and an author. In addition to being able to predict the future, and he said he could teach anyone psychic powers. Nice work if you can get it. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 10 22:45:32 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:45:32 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <20080311021400.F00F01D5BD1@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <20080311021400.F00F01D5BD1@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47D5F24C.7050403@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > In addition to being able to predict the future, and he said he could > teach anyone psychic powers. Nice work if you can get it. Apparently, he wasn't psychic enough to know that most people did not believe him. But you knew I was going to say that. Oops, dropped my crystal. Bill O' From lspin@comcast.net Mon Mar 10 22:46:55 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:46:55 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <4fc429770803101519t3906fc05p1a671a0c0ee76963@mail.gmail.com> <000601c88304$23088d50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <003201c88322$2b91c7c0$82b55740$@net> I seem to remember that he'd often ask the callers to repeat that question, "Doctor Holloway, can you please tell me something about myself?" Being just a kid and totally spooked by all things psychic, I had a feeling that he was listening for 'things' in peoples' voices. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Alan Tolz Subject: Re: Dr. Gilbert Holloway Dr. Gilbert Holloway passed away in the late 1990's. He was a frequent guest on Jerry Williams' shows over the years. He was from New Mexico and he and his wife would drive their mobile home cross country appearing on radio stations, earning money by doing psychic readings after the broadcasts. His hook was to have callers say only, "Dr. Holloway, can you tell me something about myself?" and he's launch off into all sorts of things that people wanted to believe, so they'd always say how accurate he was. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 11 02:09:23 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:09:23 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <47D590E8.6050005@tampabay.rr.com> References: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net>, <4fc429770803081554o56ea416fje84df5d9968aecf6@mail.gmail.com>, <47D590E8.6050005@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <47D5E9D3.17910.FB29CA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Mar 2008 at 15:50, Jon Maguire wrote: > Kevin, roger on WCOP AM being on all night with country music. I was > there 1970-75. Sometime around 1959 or 1960, WCOP was on all night with Top 40 music, though I believe it was automated, with only station ID announcements. I know because somewhere around then, when I was in 9th grade (1959- 60), there was an eclipse of the moon around 2 AM. Since it was a weekend night, my parents allowed me to set the alarm and wake my sister, and we watched the eclipse in my room. I had the radio on (softly, so as not to wake my parents), and I found there were exactly two stations on at that hour in the entire FM band: WHDH-FM and WCOP-FM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Mar 11 03:19:17 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:19:17 -0500 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine Broadcast Center in Providence as the talk format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM side (790) says "true oldies coming soon" on their site. Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in Prov.? http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 08:36:07 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:07 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> The irony is Citadel gave Entercom the idea for trying sports on FM in Rhode Island when WSKO-FM was hatched in 2002. At the time the main reason for SKO-FM was to give the Yankees a home. Sports editor at the Providence Journal knew WSKO was doomed the day EEI-FM arrived. Citadel took a major hit not only because WSKO suffered but lost the cash cow Red Sox on WPRO. Entercom got this right. So ESPN loses one of their oldest affiliates and what happens to the Yankees? True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. Just running ESPN Radio with no local would do as well as automated oldies. I hope Mayor Buddy has somehing lined up as he has done nothing to help WPRO. On 3/11/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine Broadcast > Center in Providence as the talk > format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM side (790) > says "true oldies coming soon" > on their site. > > Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in Prov.? > > http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp > > http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Mar 11 09:48:06 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:48:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <13895893.1205243286866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > CC: "\(newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > To: "Bob Nelson" > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:07 -0400 > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. WWBB has updated to a Classic Hits format, mainly 1970s music with just a couple of late '60s warhorse hits per hour, and '80s hits mixed in. It's really no longer an Oldies format. I'd imagine that 790 is just going to plug in Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" satellite. It's geared toward an older audience who grew up listening to AM radio. It's heaviest on hit oldies of the mid-'60s, still dabbles in some hits of the late '50s, and goes up through only the very early '70s. It certainly won't get any sigificant numbers, but it will get a smaller older audience who used to listen to WWBB for '50s and '60s oldies who felt "abandoned" by them as they aged out of their desireable sponsor demographics and could no longer hear music of their era on WWBB. It's also a very low cost way for them to keep the station afloat. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 11 09:56:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:56:21 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Maybe Cianci could move to a Boston station--AM drive on WRKO: Two Live Felons. Which brings up Eliot Spitzer's next gig... There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts do anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not asking the question frivolously. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > The irony is Citadel gave Entercom the idea for trying sports on FM > in > Rhode Island when WSKO-FM was hatched in 2002. At the time the main > reason for SKO-FM was to give the Yankees a home. Sports editor at > the > Providence Journal knew WSKO was doomed the day EEI-FM arrived. > Citadel took a major hit not only because WSKO suffered but lost the > cash cow Red Sox on WPRO. Entercom got this right. > > So ESPN loses one of their oldest affiliates and what happens to the > Yankees? True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. > > Just running ESPN Radio with no local would do as well as automated > oldies. > > I hope Mayor Buddy has somehing lined up as he has done nothing to > help WPRO. > > > > > > On 3/11/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine >> Broadcast >> Center in Providence as the talk >> format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM >> side (790) >> says "true oldies coming soon" >> on their site. >> >> Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in >> Prov.? >> >> http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp >> >> http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg >> From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 10:17:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:17:28 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <13895893.1205243286866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13895893.1205243286866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> Wonder if they will bring the WICE calls back as they seem to be available. Citadel added Imus in Washington and Atlanta in recent days and I suspect WLS may happen sooner than later now. If there is a firesale who picks up the pieces? Entercom stock is tanking as well. I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 10:41:29 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:41:29 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47D69A19.7050305@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does > putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts do > anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not > asking the question frivolously. It does no more to restore confidence in government than it does to further blemish what once was a trusted medium. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 11:12:52 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I actually like the True Oldies format, and missed it when it left 830 for talk a couple of years ago. Occasionally I will hear it over WEEI when driving the Mass Pike/Route 9 just after sunset as it's on a NY area station also on 850. I really don't like the oldies stations going to the 70s as I can't stand disco at all, and I hear too much of KC and the Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3. ----- Original Message ---- From: Eli Polonsky To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:48:06 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > CC: "\(newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > To: "Bob Nelson" > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:07 -0400 > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. WWBB has updated to a Classic Hits format, mainly 1970s music with just a couple of late '60s warhorse hits per hour, and '80s hits mixed in. It's really no longer an Oldies format. I'd imagine that 790 is just going to plug in Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" satellite. It's geared toward an older audience who grew up listening to AM radio. It's heaviest on hit oldies of the mid-'60s, still dabbles in some hits of the late '50s, and goes up through only the very early '70s. It certainly won't get any sigificant numbers, but it will get a smaller older audience who used to listen to WWBB for '50s and '60s oldies who felt "abandoned" by them as they aged out of their desireable sponsor demographics and could no longer hear music of their era on WWBB. It's also a very low cost way for them to keep the station afloat. EP ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 11:16:45 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <746468.29919.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They're not there to restore the public's confidence. They have a following, but not as big of one as the stations think. There are still people who would go into the voting booth and pull the lever for Tom Finneran or Buddy Cianci today - but that doesn't always translate into listeners or listeners in the right demographics. ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan.Strassberg To: Kevin Vahey ; Bob Nelson Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:56:21 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Maybe Cianci could move to a Boston station--AM drive on WRKO: Two Live Felons. Which brings up Eliot Spitzer's next gig... There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts do anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not asking the question frivolously. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > The irony is Citadel gave Entercom the idea for trying sports on FM > in > Rhode Island when WSKO-FM was hatched in 2002. At the time the main > reason for SKO-FM was to give the Yankees a home. Sports editor at > the > Providence Journal knew WSKO was doomed the day EEI-FM arrived. > Citadel took a major hit not only because WSKO suffered but lost the > cash cow Red Sox on WPRO. Entercom got this right. > > So ESPN loses one of their oldest affiliates and what happens to the > Yankees? True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. > > Just running ESPN Radio with no local would do as well as automated > oldies. > > I hope Mayor Buddy has somehing lined up as he has done nothing to > help WPRO. > > > > > > On 3/11/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine >> Broadcast >> Center in Providence as the talk >> format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM >> side (790) >> says "true oldies coming soon" >> on their site. >> >> Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in >> Prov.? >> >> http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp >> >> http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 11:25:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:25:19 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803110825y7a156767hc7342236bfdbe0e8@mail.gmail.com> Hard to compare Finnerian and Cianci. Tom while powerful on Beacon Hill never ran statewide and only had to answer to voters in Mattapan and Milton. I think the average person has no use for him as he represents all that is wrong with state politics. Buddy for all his warts DID improve the quality of life in Providence. Providence in 1975 was in worse shape than Worcester and today it is a vibrant city at least downtown. He fought for Providence Place and that became a huge success and Waterfire brings thousands downtown. Buddy howver only attracts an older demographic and has no appeal to people who relocated to Rhode Island. Providence is a strange stand alone market. Boston TV vanished 10 years ago and Boston radio never had a serious impact there even on FM. EEI-FM works because Providence maybe more sports mad than Boston. When WSKO lost Chuck Wilson to ESPN and Sean McAdam to WEEI they were toast. Most sportsfans also have a preset for WFAN which has a decent signal in RI. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 10:22:37 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:22:37 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13895893.1205243286866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0803110722n1c81e8c1vd58c9da55c240370@mail.gmail.com> I have heard the FM will become WEAN From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 11:39:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:39:17 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803110839g1ddc0527g51e3164491e5c195@mail.gmail.com> The great paradox about True Oldies is that Disney didn't flip WPLJ to it when WCBS-FM went to Jack especially since that is Shannon's home station. They did make the move in Chicago when WMJK went Jack and now CBS is stuck with Jack there. WPLJ could have become WABC-FM and today would be doing fine. On 3/11/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > I actually like the True Oldies format, and missed it when it left 830 for > talk a couple of years ago. Occasionally I will hear it over WEEI when > driving the Mass Pike/Route 9 just after sunset as it's on a NY area station > also on 850. I really don't like the oldies stations going to the 70s as I > can't stand disco at all, and I hear too much of KC and the Sunshine Band on > Oldies 103.3. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Eli Polonsky > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:48:06 AM > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > > CC: "\(newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > To: "Bob Nelson" > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:07 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > > > True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. > > WWBB has updated to a Classic Hits format, mainly 1970s music > with just a couple of late '60s warhorse hits per hour, and > '80s hits mixed in. It's really no longer an Oldies format. > > I'd imagine that 790 is just going to plug in Scott Shannon's > "True Oldies Channel" satellite. It's geared toward an older > audience who grew up listening to AM radio. It's heaviest on > hit oldies of the mid-'60s, still dabbles in some hits of the > late '50s, and goes up through only the very early '70s. > > It certainly won't get any sigificant numbers, but it will > get a smaller older audience who used to listen to WWBB for > '50s and '60s oldies who felt "abandoned" by them as they > aged out of their desireable sponsor demographics and could > no longer hear music of their era on WWBB. It's also a very > low cost way for them to keep the station afloat. > > EP > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 11:13:11 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <646505.20361.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does > putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts > do > anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not > asking the question frivolously. Putting Cianci or Finneran on the air ain't about restoring confidence in government, Dan: It's solely about ratings. At least in Cianci, Citadel was backing a proven radio commodity. Finneran really wasn't one. Heck, Entercom might as well have just tried dusting off Billy Bulger if they wanted to go that route. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 13:01:28 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:01:28 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <646505.20361.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <646505.20361.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D6BAE8.6060501@gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Heck, Entercom might as well have just tried dusting off Billy > Bulger if they wanted to go that route. When they dust off Whitey, then you'll have something. Perhaps alongside Howie. I bet Carr would go for that billing. "Howie & Whitey on WRKO -- Any questions?" Bill O'Neill From atolz@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 09:57:29 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:57:29 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c8837f$d854f1f0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Truth be told, I don't think Citadel cares much for a long term solution since Farid Suelman (their President/CEO) made it fairly clear that after the time expires that they are legally obligated to wait due to their entrance into a reverse Morris Trust (in order to buy the ABC radio stations from Disney) they will likely sell the Providence cluster, as well as Springfield, and other smaller N.E. markets. The goal is to keep it on the air at little or no cost and sell as a stick within the cluster. Corporate radio strikes again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > The irony is Citadel gave Entercom the idea for trying sports on FM in > Rhode Island when WSKO-FM was hatched in 2002. At the time the main > reason for SKO-FM was to give the Yankees a home. Sports editor at the > Providence Journal knew WSKO was doomed the day EEI-FM arrived. > Citadel took a major hit not only because WSKO suffered but lost the > cash cow Red Sox on WPRO. Entercom got this right. > > So ESPN loses one of their oldest affiliates and what happens to the > Yankees? True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. > > Just running ESPN Radio with no local would do as well as automated > oldies. > > I hope Mayor Buddy has somehing lined up as he has done nothing to help > WPRO. > > > > > > On 3/11/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine Broadcast >> Center in Providence as the talk >> format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM side >> (790) >> says "true oldies coming soon" >> on their site. >> >> Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in Prov.? >> >> http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp >> >> http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg >> > From atolz@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 10:33:26 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:33:26 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000e01c88384$dedebc40$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy... Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > Maybe Cianci could move to a Boston station--AM drive on WRKO: Two > Live Felons. Which brings up Eliot Spitzer's next gig... > > There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does > putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts do > anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not > asking the question frivolously. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Bob Nelson" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > >> The irony is Citadel gave Entercom the idea for trying sports on FM >> in >> Rhode Island when WSKO-FM was hatched in 2002. At the time the main >> reason for SKO-FM was to give the Yankees a home. Sports editor at >> the >> Providence Journal knew WSKO was doomed the day EEI-FM arrived. >> Citadel took a major hit not only because WSKO suffered but lost the >> cash cow Red Sox on WPRO. Entercom got this right. >> >> So ESPN loses one of their oldest affiliates and what happens to the >> Yankees? True Oldies on AM won't work as WWBB is too entrenched. >> >> Just running ESPN Radio with no local would do as well as automated >> oldies. >> >> I hope Mayor Buddy has somehing lined up as he has done nothing to >> help WPRO. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/11/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >>> Today at 5 am a switch will be thrown down at the Salty Brine >>> Broadcast >>> Center in Providence as the talk >>> format of WPRO 630 starts simulcasting on WSKO-FM 99.7...the AM >>> side (790) >>> says "true oldies coming soon" >>> on their site. >>> >>> Didja think the invasion of WEEI hurt Citadel's sports talk in >>> Prov.? >>> >>> http://wpro-am.fimc.net/default.asp >>> >>> http://rope.wpro-am.fimc.net/to_ri.jpg >>> > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 11 13:51:14 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:51:14 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13895893.1205243286866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18390.50834.119060.669185@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. Not for another two years at least. If Citadel sells any of the ABC stations now, it could change the tax status of the spin-off to Disney, and Citadel has pledged to indemnify Disney against any such occurrence. -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 11 15:45:17 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:45:17 -0500 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D69AFD.9876.529C7F@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2008 Maureen Carney wrote: > I actually like the True Oldies format, and missed it when it left 830 > for talk a couple of years ago. Occasionally I will hear it over WEEI > when driving the Mass Pike/Route 9 just after sunset as it's on a NY > area station also on 850. I really don't like the oldies stations > going to the 70s as I can't stand disco at all, and I hear too much of > KC and the Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3. I think to any person, "oldies" is the stuff that was around when you were a teenager or in college. To me that's 50s and 60s music. To others, it's 80s and 90s music. I don't mind some stations playing newer oldies so long as I can hear "my" oldies somewhere. Right now, that somewhere is online. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 11 15:45:17 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:45:17 -0500 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <646505.20361.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044>, <646505.20361.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D69AFD.26975.529D2B@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2008 Sean Smyth wrote: > Putting Cianci or Finneran on the air ain't about restoring confidence > in government, Dan: It's solely about ratings. At least in Cianci, > Citadel was backing a proven radio commodity. Finneran really wasn't > one. Heck, Entercom might as well have just tried dusting off Billy > Bulger if they wanted to go that route. I suspect Billy Bulger would be a much better radio host than Finneran. He was always an extraordinary showman hosting the St. Patrick's Day breakfast. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 14:53:42 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <385104.84242.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Acutally I went to high school and college in the 80s and don't really care for the music of that decade. I much prefer the 60s music. ----- Original Message ---- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:45:17 PM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 On 11 Mar 2008 Maureen Carney wrote: > I actually like the True Oldies format, and missed it when it left 830 > for talk a couple of years ago. Occasionally I will hear it over WEEI > when driving the Mass Pike/Route 9 just after sunset as it's on a NY > area station also on 850. I really don't like the oldies stations > going to the 70s as I can't stand disco at all, and I hear too much of > KC and the Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3. I think to any person, "oldies" is the stuff that was around when you were a teenager or in college. To me that's 50s and 60s music. To others, it's 80s and 90s music. I don't mind some stations playing newer oldies so long as I can hear "my" oldies somewhere. Right now, that somewhere is online. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 11 14:56:07 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:56:07 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <47D69AFD.9876.529C7F@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D69AFD.9876.529C7F@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18390.54727.955688.384996@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think to any person, "oldies" is the stuff that was around when you > were a teenager or in college. I don't think that's true any more, because (at least on the pop side of things) there hasn't been a significant change in musical style since the early 1980s. So long as the music still fits "contemporary" formats, I don't think it counts as "oldies". -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 14:07:35 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <18390.50834.119060.669185@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <142950.74815.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. > > Not for another two years at least. If Citadel sells any of the ABC > stations now, it could change the tax status of the spin-off to > Disney, and Citadel has pledged to indemnify Disney against any such > occurrence. A LMA agreement would not change the tax purposes, correct? Not that I see that happening. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Mar 11 16:32:37 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:32:37 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000e01c88384$dedebc40$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> <000e01c88384$dedebc40$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: I completely disagree here. I don't condone what Spitzer did and if it's true he needs to resign as governor, but he was absolutely correct in going after the labels, promoters and station owners for payola violations. It was rampant in the industry, particularly on current based music stations, and their activities violated the law. I find it laughable that these same record labels that funneled millions of dollars to the corporate chains through money launderers.....um, I mean "independent promoters" to manipulate airplay just a few years ago are now fighting for a performance royalty from radio for playing (and thus promoting) the same product. Hilarious! -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: > Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a > broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a > publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and > brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion > business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't > happen to a nicer guy... > From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Mar 11 17:29:38 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:29:38 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000b01c883ba$55642000$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> <000e01c88384$dedebc40$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <000b01c883ba$55642000$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <62603AE1-E184-4149-A917-EC4D214FC3B0@charter.net> On paper, independent promotion is not payola, but that's how it was in practice with a LOT of companies. Stations added records based on "promotional consideration" only, not on merit. Most if not all spins got buried in the overnights or fringe weekend hours to up spin counts on stations that never played the track during the day. This made a record look like it was getting significant play when it really wasn't. Some songs would get played eight or nine times between midnight and 5am and that's it. It was VERY common and was NOT based on merit. Citadel and Entercom even developed "programming" to showcase these multiple spins. Stations would have never done this if they weren't getting something in return. That amounts to payola, no matter how you slice it. I work in the industry and saw it happen firsthand, both at the local radio and network end. Do I think there are independent promoters that are legitimately trying to introduce artists and songs to radio? Sure. However, that's not what Spitzer was going after. His investigation resulted in the big corporate chains severing ties with most independent promoters even the legit ones. That was unfortunate, but the abuses of a few major promoters in allowing the labels to funnel millions of dollars through them to the big radio groups in exchange for airplay ruined the party for everyone. That's not Spizer's fault. He simply stopped the gravy train which is why radio and record people are basking in the glow of Spitzer's downfall. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > I understand your point David, but independent promotion is not > payola. As long as there is no direct correlation between a > promotional item, and the airing of a song specific to that > promotional item WITHOUT sponsor identificaiton, there is no > payola. Stations that accepted fly-aways and/or concert tickets, > or for that matter cash from labels, either directly or through > independent promoters but chose all of their music based on merit > without regard to the label or artist were not violating any FCC > statutes. But corporations like Citadel and Entercom, who > ultimately paid millions while admitting no wrong doing was the > result of a witch hunt by Eliott Spitzer as a calculated move to > put himself in a high profile position to run for Governor. > Evidently, the strategy worked, but his character shone through and > so, goodbye to him (hopefully) and good riddance. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" > > To: "Alan Tolz" > Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" > ; "Bob Nelson" ; > "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" interest@bostonradio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > >> I completely disagree here. I don't condone what Spitzer did and >> if it's true he needs to resign as governor, but he was >> absolutely correct in going after the labels, promoters and >> station owners for payola violations. It was rampant in the >> industry, particularly on current based music stations, and >> their activities violated the law. I find it laughable that >> these same record labels that funneled millions of dollars to the >> corporate chains through money launderers.....um, I mean >> "independent promoters" to manipulate airplay just a few years >> ago are now fighting for a performance royalty from radio for >> playing (and thus promoting) the same product. Hilarious! >> >> -Dave Tomm >> "Mike Thomas" >> >> >> On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: >> >>> Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a >>> broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a >>> publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and >>> brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion >>> business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't >>> happen to a nicer guy... >>> > > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 17:46:32 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:32 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <391613.87262.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005601c883c1$5f8e57b0$6cd28018@Mark> Maureen Carney wrote: >I actually like the True Oldies format, and missed it when it left 830 for >talk a couple of years ago. Occasionally I will hear it over WEEI when >driving the Mass Pike/Route 9 just after sunset as it's on a NY area >station also on 850. That station may have been WREF in Ridgefield CT, which is a suburb of Danbury. I believe they are a 1000 watt daytimer or may have post sunset authority or very low night power, but given their location they may sign off or drop power a bit later than WEEI's change to night pattern. Last time I drove through the Danbury area this past October they were running the True Oldies Channel. Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 11 16:31:28 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:31:28 -0500 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway Message-ID: <20080311203128.2FD601F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Tolz" >To: kvahey@comcast.net, "\(newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest" , "Donna Halper" , "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Dr. Gilbert Holloway >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:11:56 -0400 >Dr. Gilbert Holloway passed away in the late 1990's. What I want to know is: did he die unexpectedly? (Apparently Jeanne Dixon did, and a magazine called "Skeptical Inquirer" published by scientists investigating claims of the paranormal, had a field day with headlines in various newpapers trumpeting "psychic dies unexpectedly"). In their winter issue of 2001, they observed that NO psychic predicted anything like what happened on the previous September 11th. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From atolz@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 16:56:08 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> <000e01c88384$dedebc40$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <000b01c883ba$55642000$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> I understand your point David, but independent promotion is not payola. As long as there is no direct correlation between a promotional item, and the airing of a song specific to that promotional item WITHOUT sponsor identificaiton, there is no payola. Stations that accepted fly-aways and/or concert tickets, or for that matter cash from labels, either directly or through independent promoters but chose all of their music based on merit without regard to the label or artist were not violating any FCC statutes. But corporations like Citadel and Entercom, who ultimately paid millions while admitting no wrong doing was the result of a witch hunt by Eliott Spitzer as a calculated move to put himself in a high profile position to run for Governor. Evidently, the strategy worked, but his character shone through and so, goodbye to him (hopefully) and good riddance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 >I completely disagree here. I don't condone what Spitzer did and if it's >true he needs to resign as governor, but he was absolutely correct in >going after the labels, promoters and station owners for payola >violations. It was rampant in the industry, particularly on current based >music stations, and their activities violated the law. I find it >laughable that these same record labels that funneled millions of dollars >to the corporate chains through money launderers.....um, I mean >"independent promoters" to manipulate airplay just a few years ago are now >fighting for a performance royalty from radio for playing (and thus >promoting) the same product. Hilarious! > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: > >> Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a >> broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a >> publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and brought >> down the earthshakingly important independant promotion business with >> his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy... >> > From friedbagels@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 15:48:51 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:48:51 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <47D6E223.3040206@gmail.com> Boy I really hope you're being sarcastic...indies are a shining example of all that's wrong with radio. Besides, Spitzer's payola settlement led to a nice fat grant from the NYS Music Fund for us to put on a bunch of free & low-cost concerts here in Geneva. So I'll give Spitzer that much, but for the moment...not much more. Anyways, Eliot Spitzer HAD a radio gig; once a month he was supposed to appear on "Vox Pop" on WAMC...distributed to several other pubradio outlets (WEOS included) around upstate NY. He'd only done it once a few weeks ago, and I got word today he's not going to be invited back...although apparently WAMC wants to keep the concept going if, assuming Spitzer resigns, the new governor is interested. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM friedbagels@gmail.com | Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 | (315) 521-0569 cell Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy... Alan From atolz@comcast.net Tue Mar 11 21:55:53 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (atolz@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:55:53 +0000 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <031220080155.28053.47D738290006205B00006D9522070216339604019B0E@comcast.net> That's a fair and reasonable assessment of the situation. Those nighttime shows, like "news" at 11 or new at 2 (AM) were obviously created for the purpose of generating revenue from record companies. Kind of like the music stations' version of "spackle and paste" infomercials (if you've been following the trevails of Moe Lauzier and WRKO). That game you're detailing was done by "reporters", stations that reported spins of specific records when Radio and Records meant something. Those days are gone forever, not only because of Spitzer's antics, but because the record industry is in such turmoil and decline that they don't know whether to work with radio or bite radio's nose off, in the form of a 'performance royalty'. I can tell you that IF there is ultimately a performance royalty in radio, look for more news/talk/sports and Spanish on the FM band. Also look for stations to charge labels and sponsor ID hours like the "Universal hour", or look for big radio (CCU, CXR, ! CBS, RO IA) to go directly to artists to get them to waive any fees payable to Sound Exchange or their records will no loner be played. A great PD once said, "You never get hurt by a song that you don't play". But it will be terrible...and a shame. Alan -------------- Original message -------------- From: David Tomm > On paper, independent promotion is not payola, but that's how it was > in practice with a LOT of companies. Stations added records based > on "promotional consideration" only, not on merit. Most if not all > spins got buried in the overnights or fringe weekend hours to up spin > counts on stations that never played the track during the day. This > made a record look like it was getting significant play when it > really wasn't. Some songs would get played eight or nine times > between midnight and 5am and that's it. It was VERY common and was > NOT based on merit. Citadel and Entercom even developed > "programming" to showcase these multiple spins. Stations would have > never done this if they weren't getting something in return. That > amounts to payola, no matter how you slice it. I work in the industry > and saw it happen firsthand, both at the local radio and network end. > > Do I think there are independent promoters that are legitimately > trying to introduce artists and songs to radio? Sure. However, > that's not what Spitzer was going after. His investigation resulted > in the big corporate chains severing ties with most independent > promoters > even the legit ones. That was unfortunate, but the abuses of a few > major promoters in allowing the labels to funnel millions of dollars > through them to the big radio groups in exchange for airplay ruined > the party for everyone. That's not Spizer's fault. He simply > stopped the gravy train which is why radio and record people are > basking in the glow of Spitzer's downfall. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > > > I understand your point David, but independent promotion is not > > payola. As long as there is no direct correlation between a > > promotional item, and the airing of a song specific to that > > promotional item WITHOUT sponsor identificaiton, there is no > > payola. Stations that accepted fly-aways and/or concert tickets, > > or for that matter cash from labels, either directly or through > > independent promoters but chose all of their music based on merit > > without regard to the label or artist were not violating any FCC > > statutes. But corporations like Citadel and Entercom, who > > ultimately paid millions while admitting no wrong doing was the > > result of a witch hunt by Eliott Spitzer as a calculated move to > > put himself in a high profile position to run for Governor. > > Evidently, the strategy worked, but his character shone through and > > so, goodbye to him (hopefully) and good riddance. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" > > > > To: "Alan Tolz" > > Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" > > ; "Bob Nelson" ; > > "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > interest@bostonradio.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > > > > >> I completely disagree here. I don't condone what Spitzer did and > >> if it's true he needs to resign as governor, but he was > >> absolutely correct in going after the labels, promoters and > >> station owners for payola violations. It was rampant in the > >> industry, particularly on current based music stations, and > >> their activities violated the law. I find it laughable that > >> these same record labels that funneled millions of dollars to the > >> corporate chains through money launderers.....um, I mean > >> "independent promoters" to manipulate airplay just a few years > >> ago are now fighting for a performance royalty from radio for > >> playing (and thus promoting) the same product. Hilarious! > >> > >> -Dave Tomm > >> "Mike Thomas" > >> > >> > >> On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: > >> > >>> Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a > >>> broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a > >>> publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and > >>> brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion > >>> business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't > >>> happen to a nicer guy... > >>> > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 12 00:34:42 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:34:42 -0400 Subject: Dr. Gilbert Holloway In-Reply-To: <20080311203128.2FD601F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080311203128.2FD601F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47D72522.14375.5D1A79@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2008 at 15:31, Laurence Glavin wrote: > (Apparently Jeanne Dixon did, and a magazine called "Skeptical > Inquirer" published by scientists investigating claims of the > paranormal, had a field day with headlines in various newpapers > trumpeting "psychic dies unexpectedly"). In their winter issue of > 2001, they observed that NO psychic predicted anything like what > happened on the previous September 11th. But I suspect many of them claimed after the fact that they did. I first read of Jean Dixon around 1964 and was impressed with the things she claimed to have predicted. In 1964, she was predicting the fall of Khrushchev and that the Republicans would win the Presidency in 1968. When Khrushchev fell, I was impressed. When Nixon won in 1968, I was impressed. But thereafter, while I kept seeing articles where she said she had predicted something, I never again saw a prediction of hers before the event. Her columns making predictions were so full of generalities that it was impossible to say what she was predicting. She did say that the ideas of Barry Goldwater would one day be respected, and he would be considered a venerated statesman. But it's hard to tell how much of that was prediction and how much was her own political beliefs. So I don't know how she managed those two specific predictions that she got right, but they seem to have been the only two. She also predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall before the end of 1964, and that didn't happen. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 12 00:34:42 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:34:42 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000b01c883ba$55642000$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>, <000b01c883ba$55642000$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <47D72522.3687.5D1B73@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2008 at 16:56, Alan Tolz wrote: > I understand your point David, but independent promotion is not > payola. As long as there is no direct correlation between a > promotional item, and the airing of a song specific to that > promotional item WITHOUT sponsor identificaiton, there is no payola. > Stations that accepted fly-aways and/or concert tickets, or for that > matter cash from labels, either directly or through independent > promoters but chose all of their music based on merit without regard > to the label or artist were not violating any FCC statutes. So you want us to believe that stations took all these promotional considerations, even cash, but it didn't affect their decisions in the least. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Mar 12 01:19:46 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:19:46 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080311071917.7781583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770803110536t7f0ba64bu2296a0ecbd25bda2@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8837f$b17eedb0$4af8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47D767F2.3090104@cssinc.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Maybe Cianci could move to a Boston station--AM drive on WRKO: Two > Live Felons. Which brings up Eliot Spitzer's next gig... > > There is actually a very serious topic buried in the cynicism: Does > putting disgraced former elected officials on the air as talk hosts do > anything to restore the public's confidence in government? I'm not > asking the question frivolously. > >>> Govenor Spitzer's already working on his next gig. He'll be doing a feature film "Elliot Hires A Ho". Sorry, being in the movie industry, I couldn't resist. Brian From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 02:42:33 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <47D767F2.3090104@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <28951.78845.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Wandering back toward the original topic ... 790 was earlier today/Tuesday running ESPN Radio straight through the afternoon, no liners, no ID heard when I was out and about. Obviously, Scott Cordishi is gone, as are Andy Gresh and Scott Zolak. It'll be interesting to see whether WEEI picks up any of the three. I'm thinking Zolak may join their football shows, but that's it. Anyone know when oldies debut on 790? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From paul@derrynh.net Wed Mar 12 05:27:43 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:27:43 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c88423$545b71e0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Wouldn't WEAN make more sense, considering the music era they'll be playing... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NN -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:17 AM To: Eli Polonsky Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Wonder if they will bring the WICE calls back as they seem to be available. Citadel added Imus in Washington and Atlanta in recent days and I suspect WLS may happen sooner than later now. If there is a firesale who picks up the pieces? Entercom stock is tanking as well. I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Mar 12 05:36:16 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:36:16 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c88424$85e7cff0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> But to be the one with the "hammer" going after anyone, then having the laze-faire attitude about breaking the law yourself, that hypocrisy is what upsets people more than the transgression itself, IMHO. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:33 PM To: Alan Tolz Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest; Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 I completely disagree here. I don't condone what Spitzer did and if it's true he needs to resign as governor, but he was absolutely correct in going after the labels, promoters and station owners for payola violations. It was rampant in the industry, particularly on current based music stations, and their activities violated the law. I find it laughable that these same record labels that funneled millions of dollars to the corporate chains through money launderers.....um, I mean "independent promoters" to manipulate airplay just a few years ago are now fighting for a performance royalty from radio for playing (and thus promoting) the same product. Hilarious! -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: > Elliot Spitzer's next gig hopefully will NOT be on radio. As a > broadcast operator, I wouldn't pay one cent to a person who, as a > publicity hound AG used radio as a high profile industry and > brought down the earthshakingly important independant promotion > business with his bullying and heavyhanded tactics. Couldn't > happen to a nicer guy... > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 09:31:50 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:31:50 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <001401c88423$545b71e0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770803110717m7d9906e9rb17ffcd058055e3f@mail.gmail.com> <001401c88423$545b71e0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770803120631w7d0cc508s3262e4d98de06182@mail.gmail.com> The old WEAN was a clone of WHDH while WICE was the fiesty little Top 40 station on 1290. WICE was the first station that demonstrated to me as a teen what a directional station was. I went to prep school in Woonsocket only 12 miles from their transmitter in North Providence and there was no signal whatsoever. If you were driving on 146 the signal vanished in Lincoln. Our Top 40 options were WPRO, WBZ and later WRKO-FM and occasionally WWON (now WOON) WICE was very popular in Providence, Pawtucket and Cranston but WPRO owned the rest of the state. WICE had one superjock King Arthur Knight who wound up at WMEX for awhile and a newsman with a great set of pipes Charles Scoville (sic) who later went to WPRO. Bill Corsair who later was Glick's biggest rival in the overnight clear channel wars also worked at WICE. WPRO had Joe Thomas at night who was huge statewide. WPRO-AM just morphed into PRO-FM and is still chugging along. On 3/12/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Wouldn't WEAN make more sense, considering the music era they'll be > playing... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NN > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:17 AM > To: Eli Polonsky > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > Wonder if they will bring the WICE calls back as they seem to be available. > > Citadel added Imus in Washington and Atlanta in recent days and I > suspect WLS may happen sooner than later now. > > If there is a firesale who picks up the pieces? Entercom stock is > tanking as well. > > I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. > > From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 09:57:08 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:57:08 -0400 Subject: Indie Promoters and Performance Royalities (was: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7) Message-ID: <47D7E134.50907@gmail.com> If this performance royalty goes through, also look for the number of NPR and religious outfits to EXPLODE in the NCE band as college radio stations cough weakly and die, unable to afford the new fees. Administrations will generally be unwilling to deal with the hassle and will just cash in for the quick payoff of a station sale; those with some shred of decency (and/or no state laws forcing them to sell to the highest bidder) will try and sell to an NPR outlet who might continue to make some room for interested students. The rest will just take the duffel bags full of unmarked, non-sequential tens and twenties from Calvary Chapel, et al. :-) If NPR corporate is "smart" what they'll do is position themselves to be in a place where they can leverage their brand image and LMA (if not buy outright) dozens of these college stations. It'll enrage the local affiliates, no doubt...but it'll ensure NPR's fiscal future. Because if NPR doesn't do it, I'll bet American Public Media will. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM friedbagels@gmail.com | Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 | (315) 521-0569 cell (snip) something. Those days are gone forever, not only because of Spitzer's antics, but because the record industry is in such turmoil and decline that they don't know whether to work with radio or bite radio's nose off, in the form of a 'performance royalty'. I can tell you that IF there is ultimately a performance royalty in radio, look for more news/talk/sports and Spanish on the FM band. Also look for stations to charge labels and sponsor ID hours like the "Universal hour", or look for big radio (CCU, CXR, CBS, ROIA) to go directly to artists to get them to waive any fees payable to Sound Exchange or their records will no loner be played. A great PD once said, "You never get hurt by a song that you don't play". But it will be terrible...and a shame. Alan From atolz@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 09:48:54 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (atolz@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:48:54 +0000 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 Message-ID: <031220081348.20079.47D7DF46000E624200004E6F22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net> There is infuence in the same way that when a sponsor buys time on a radio station, the personalities generally don't bad-mouth the sponsor. As a rule, music stations don't add records to their station that they believe would repel their audience, though if a label consistently offers promotional support and ideas to a station, that will likely insure that a song on that label at least gets a fair hearing. I am not aware of any pressure exerted by either a label or a promoter to add a song to a station's rotation based on promotional support. The decision to play the song comes first. We seek the promotional support after we make the decision. If there is a natural tie-in, ie: a flyaway to see a specific artist, a station may play that artist, but only if it we decide to play the artist/song first. The decision process is not unlike a TV network deciding to run "The Biggest Loser" because there are natural product placement advertisers that would be attracted to that program. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "A. Joseph Ross" > On 11 Mar 2008 at 16:56, Alan Tolz wrote: > > > I understand your point David, but independent promotion is not > > payola. As long as there is no direct correlation between a > > promotional item, and the airing of a song specific to that > > promotional item WITHOUT sponsor identificaiton, there is no payola. > > Stations that accepted fly-aways and/or concert tickets, or for that > > matter cash from labels, either directly or through independent > > promoters but chose all of their music based on merit without regard > > to the label or artist were not violating any FCC statutes. > > So you want us to believe that stations took all these promotional > considerations, even cash, but it didn't affect their decisions in > the least. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 11:06:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:06:15 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the Phoenix area until 2 years ago. He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. Sad. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 12:42:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:42:09 -0500 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120937v42577543w21da7a9c3aba4a65@mail.gmail.com> References: <031220081348.20079.47D7DF46000E624200004E6F22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net> <4fc429770803120937v42577543w21da7a9c3aba4a65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803120942m24c15366i1ac32061c7f76db3@mail.gmail.com> I didn't realise that WSKO had fallen that badly in the Providence book http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=205&RY=2006&RQ=3&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket&MS=RI&MR=39&12P=1404000&UP=10/18/2006%2012:00:00%20AM&SU=CM&BPER=&HPER=7.0&OPER=&NSD=1/12/2007%2012:00:00%20AM&CE=0 What surprises me is how well WCRB is showing there as I wouldn't think the signal would have much left in RI From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 12:37:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:37:04 -0500 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <031220081348.20079.47D7DF46000E624200004E6F22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net> References: <031220081348.20079.47D7DF46000E624200004E6F22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803120937v42577543w21da7a9c3aba4a65@mail.gmail.com> The Providence Journal has a small story on the end of WSKO http://www.projo.com/sports/content/sp_thescore11_03-11-08_I89AV1F_v12.349bd40.html The newspaper message board showed some cared http://www.projo.com/perl/common/surveys/vote_now.pl From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Mar 12 13:20:35 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:20:35 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312172119.F2B141B4329@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:06 AM 3/12/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in >Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the Phoenix >area until 2 years ago. > >He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. I have heard various things about the way Boston ended for Bruce, and I'm sure most of us have our own "I was fired unjustly" stories-- I personally could fill a book with them. That said, could you tell your friend who knows where Bruce is to pass along our best wishes, and perhaps to tell him that while his memories of Boston may indeed be painful, for many of us, we just want to say we still remember him fondly; and I for one thank him for being such an inspiration to me. He was one reason I went into broadcasting. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 13:15:12 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:15:12 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120942m24c15366i1ac32061c7f76db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05fd01c88464$a1e2f1e0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > I didn't realise that WSKO had fallen that badly in the Providence book > > http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=205&RY=2006& > RQ=3&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=Providence-Warwick- > Pawtucket&MS=RI&MR=39&12P=1404000&UP=10/18/2006%2012:00:00%20AM&SU=CM&BPER > =&HPER=7.0&OPER=&NSD=1/12/2007%2012:00:00%20AM&CE=0 > > What surprises me is how well WCRB is showing there as I wouldn't think > the > signal would have much left in RI The Providence ratings on that site have not been updated since the summer 2006 book, when WCRB was still on 102.5. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 15:44:09 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:44:09 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 References: <031220081348.20079.47D7DF46000E624200004E6F22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net><4fc429770803120937v42577543w21da7a9c3aba4a65@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803120942m24c15366i1ac32061c7f76db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008501c88479$b8581a30$6501a8c0@s20208> >I didn't realise that WSKO had fallen that badly in the Providence book > > http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=205&RY=2006&RQ=3&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket&MS=RI&MR=39&12P=1404000&UP=10/18/2006%2012:00:00%20AM&SU=CM&BPER=&HPER=7.0&OPER=&NSD=1/12/2007%2012:00:00%20AM&CE=0 I didn't realize that WCTK, a country station from New Bedford was #1 in Providence! From scott@fybush.com Wed Mar 12 15:55:26 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:26 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in > Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the Phoenix > area until 2 years ago. > > He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. > > Sad. Yup - that's what I was told when I tried to track him down for the 1993 radio history special I did with Brudnoy. I believe he was in St. Louis at that point, but the answer was the same...not interested. (However, that was also the response I got at the time from Larry Glick, and happily, he's reconsidered since then.) s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 16:31:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:31:33 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> One thing is obvious. People who worked at BZ in those days do not remember Donald McGannon, Si Yanoff or Jim Lightfoot fondly but McGannon is the name they mention most. I worked with Win Baker at WNEV and he was no fan of Westinghouse either. On 3/12/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in > > Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the Phoenix > > area until 2 years ago. > > > > He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. > > > > Sad. > > > Yup - that's what I was told when I tried to track him down for the 1993 > radio history special I did with Brudnoy. I believe he was in St. Louis > at that point, but the answer was the same...not interested. > > (However, that was also the response I got at the time from Larry Glick, > and happily, he's reconsidered since then.) > > s > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 12 16:39:57 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:39:57 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> Didn't Yanoff read station editorials on the air? I think so, and Jess Cain's takeoff on him was Sy Yanaroff--a guy with a weak, high voice, who delivered absolutely incoherent "editorials" in a monotone. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Don A" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > One thing is obvious. People who worked at BZ in those days do not > remember Donald McGannon, Si Yanoff or Jim Lightfoot fondly but > McGannon is the name they mention most. > > I worked with Win Baker at WNEV and he was no fan of Westinghouse > either. > > On 3/12/08, Scott Fybush wrote: >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> > I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in >> > Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the >> > Phoenix >> > area until 2 years ago. >> > >> > He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. >> > >> > Sad. >> >> >> Yup - that's what I was told when I tried to track him down for the >> 1993 >> radio history special I did with Brudnoy. I believe he was in St. >> Louis >> at that point, but the answer was the same...not interested. >> >> (However, that was also the response I got at the time from Larry >> Glick, >> and happily, he's reconsidered since then.) >> >> s >> From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Mar 12 17:10:59 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:10:59 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312211043.0F2E67285D2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:31 PM 3/12/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >One thing is obvious. People who worked at BZ in those days do not >remember Donald McGannon, Si Yanoff or Jim Lightfoot fondly but >McGannon is the name they mention most. Lightfoot died suddenly, whereas McGannon's death was slow and very sad-- he had early onset Alzheimer's disease, if I recall correctly. Left a wife and a large number of kids-- I think they had about 10... From scott@fybush.com Wed Mar 12 18:00:10 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:00:10 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <004901c88492$3c6a4bf0$a304fb45@IraApple> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <004901c88492$3c6a4bf0$a304fb45@IraApple> Message-ID: <47D8526A.3090803@fybush.com> iraapple wrote: > Whatever else, Group W as a total organization was a class act in my opinion > whether by design or fear of the FCC. It was rather conservative while at > the same time being one of the most creative organizations. I came to the party a little later - by the time I joined WBZ in 1992, Donald McGannon was gone and Group W was being run by Dan Mason out of an office in Potomac, MD. It was still very much a class act, though. The physical facility may have been nothing special (Alan and Steve give a very nice description of the lack of fancy decor at 1170 Soldiers Field Road in the new Jerry Williams book, and that held true when I got there a quarter-century after Jerry), but what wasn't invested in the building was invested, and then some, in the programming. Group W really thought of itself as another network, co-equal with ABC, CBS and NBC, and the last vestiges of that were still in place when I arrived, even if budget cuts had already claimed some of the gems of the operation, like the Washington bureau. s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 17:16:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:16:29 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> Jerry was not fired by Westinghouse they just didn't renew him. The person who wanted him gone was Douglas Danforth who was the CEO of Westinghouse Electric. Jerry was just too much of a loose cannon for HQ in Pittsburgh. Guy Manilla wanted off sports and BZ had Ken Beatrice ready for sports (who quickly fled to Washington ) so Guy got Jerry's gig. I think the most fascinating part of the book is how Chicago ended badly for Jerry. He was doing mornings and the show was holding its own against WGN. However Bill Paley heard a rumor that Westinghouse would flip WIND to all news and he wasn't about to be beaten again like he was with WINS so talk was gone. From iraapple@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 18:41:37 2008 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:41:37 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004901c88492$3c6a4bf0$a304fb45@IraApple> That is a rather broad statement about the three people mentioned. Of the three, everyone I knew - at least in management - liked Jim Lightfoot. Jim had a great sense of humor and was somewhat of a joker. I only had contact with Si now and then, but rarely heard anything negative about him. When it comes to Donald McGannon for most of us that would be like talking about the President or the Pope or a King. He was in the big office on Park Avenue and I don't think he could be accused of management-by-walking-around. Orders came down the line from on high. He was always pleasant in person in a very executive kind of way. Whatever else, Group W as a total organization was a class act in my opinion whether by design or fear of the FCC. It was rather conservative while at the same time being one of the most creative organizations. ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:32 PM To: Scott Fybush Cc: Don A; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley One thing is obvious. People who worked at BZ in those days do not remember Donald McGannon, Si Yanoff or Jim Lightfoot fondly but McGannon is the name they mention most. I worked with Win Baker at WNEV and he was no fan of Westinghouse either. On 3/12/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in > > Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the Phoenix > > area until 2 years ago. > > > > He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. > > > > Sad. > > > Yup - that's what I was told when I tried to track him down for the 1993 > radio history special I did with Brudnoy. I believe he was in St. Louis > at that point, but the answer was the same...not interested. > > (However, that was also the response I got at the time from Larry Glick, > and happily, he's reconsidered since then.) > > s > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 18:18:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:18:47 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <004901c88492$3c6a4bf0$a304fb45@IraApple> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <004901c88492$3c6a4bf0$a304fb45@IraApple> Message-ID: <4fc429770803121518s15b17054q3862e8ff05bbd829@mail.gmail.com> I was not making a statement about the men personally but it was more of Westinghouse being tight with a dollar especially with talent. I know of one case where a talent brought in 750K in billings in the late 60's yet was paid 24K. People still recall how cheap Mac Richmond was but Westinghouse was not any better. Channel 4 was very late in the conversion to color especially when you consider channel 5 was color from day 1 in late 1957. They converted channel 4 a year after KYW who was given priority because of Mike Douglas being shifted from Cleveland to Philly in the swap. Strange when NBC was calling themselves the full color network. Even WNAC had studio color before WBZ with those hideous GE cameras they later unloaded on WSBK. Westinghouse did have the best Washington reporter in the business in Sid Davis. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 18:29:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:29:46 -0400 Subject: RIP John Callaghan from WNAC Message-ID: <4fc429770803121529m285cb87dk1b49b6348daf1762@mail.gmail.com> The Globe has an obit today for John Callaghan who they say was a sports anchor at channel 7 for 21 years. I gotta admit I have no clue who this man is. I have no recollection of him whatsoever. Perhaps because Don Gillis completely owned sports on Boston TV he was overlooked but being a sports fan I should have some memory of the man. To be fair nobody ever watched Channel 7 for the news in those days. I remember Dave Rodman and Palmer Payne doing news but I don't recall anybody doing sports until Joe Pelligrino showed up in the late 60's who was then replaced by Bob Gamere. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 12 18:46:56 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:46:56 -0400 Subject: RIP John Callaghan from WNAC In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803121529m285cb87dk1b49b6348daf1762@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803121529m285cb87dk1b49b6348daf1762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D85D60.50306@ttlc.net> I met a John Callaghan at WNAC when I worked there 1970-1973. He was a booth announcer with terrible luck relating to automobile accidents. Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Globe has an obit today for John Callaghan who they say was a > sports anchor at channel 7 for 21 years. > > I gotta admit I have no clue who this man is. I have no recollection > of him whatsoever. > > Perhaps because Don Gillis completely owned sports on Boston TV he was > overlooked but being a sports fan I should have some memory of the > man. > > To be fair nobody ever watched Channel 7 for the news in those days. I > remember Dave Rodman and Palmer Payne doing news but I don't recall > anybody doing sports until Joe Pelligrino showed up in the late 60's > who was then replaced by Bob Gamere. > > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 12 18:50:14 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:50:14 -0400 Subject: Gary LaPierre's Heart Attack Message-ID: <47D85E26.8020300@ttlc.net> I've heard a couple of ads for Beverly Hospital voiced by Gary LaPierre. He talks about the day he had a heart attack and how Beverly Hospital & their EMT's saved his life. When did this happen? I thought he was living in Florida? Or is that winter only? From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 12 19:57:57 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:57:57 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044>, <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D827B5.3613.EA0FDC@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Mar 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think the most fascinating part of the book is how Chicago ended > badly for Jerry. He was doing mornings and the show was holding its > own against WGN. However Bill Paley heard a rumor that Westinghouse > would flip WIND to all news and he wasn't about to be beaten again > like he was with WINS so talk was gone. This thread reminds me of the last episode of the Mary Tyler Moore Show, where the new station owner abruptly fires everyone in the newsroom except Ted Baxter. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Wed Mar 12 19:15:25 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:15:25 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120631w7d0cc508s3262e4d98de06182@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e001c88496$f51d0620$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Ah! I remember King Authur Knight on WMEX...Was that in the X-15 Air Force time frame? (I thought that was a cool moniker...) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: kvahey@gmail.com [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:32 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: Kevin Vahey; Eli Polonsky; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 The old WEAN was a clone of WHDH while WICE was the fiesty little Top 40 station on 1290. WICE was the first station that demonstrated to me as a teen what a directional station was. I went to prep school in Woonsocket only 12 miles from their transmitter in North Providence and there was no signal whatsoever. If you were driving on 146 the signal vanished in Lincoln. Our Top 40 options were WPRO, WBZ and later WRKO-FM and occasionally WWON (now WOON) WICE was very popular in Providence, Pawtucket and Cranston but WPRO owned the rest of the state. WICE had one superjock King Arthur Knight who wound up at WMEX for awhile and a newsman with a great set of pipes Charles Scoville (sic) who later went to WPRO. Bill Corsair who later was Glick's biggest rival in the overnight clear channel wars also worked at WICE. WPRO had Joe Thomas at night who was huge statewide. WPRO-AM just morphed into PRO-FM and is still chugging along. On 3/12/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Wouldn't WEAN make more sense, considering the music era they'll be > playing... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NN > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:17 AM > To: Eli Polonsky > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > Wonder if they will bring the WICE calls back as they seem to be available. > > Citadel added Imus in Washington and Atlanta in recent days and I > suspect WLS may happen sooner than later now. > > If there is a firesale who picks up the pieces? Entercom stock is > tanking as well. > > I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. > > From paul@derrynh.net Wed Mar 12 19:16:23 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:23 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803120631w7d0cc508s3262e4d98de06182@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e101c88497$170104d0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Oh...and I was more a WGNG 550 listener as far as Providence AM radio was concerned.. -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH (then Randolph MA) -----Original Message----- From: kvahey@gmail.com [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:32 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: Kevin Vahey; Eli Polonsky; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 The old WEAN was a clone of WHDH while WICE was the fiesty little Top 40 station on 1290. WICE was the first station that demonstrated to me as a teen what a directional station was. I went to prep school in Woonsocket only 12 miles from their transmitter in North Providence and there was no signal whatsoever. If you were driving on 146 the signal vanished in Lincoln. Our Top 40 options were WPRO, WBZ and later WRKO-FM and occasionally WWON (now WOON) WICE was very popular in Providence, Pawtucket and Cranston but WPRO owned the rest of the state. WICE had one superjock King Arthur Knight who wound up at WMEX for awhile and a newsman with a great set of pipes Charles Scoville (sic) who later went to WPRO. Bill Corsair who later was Glick's biggest rival in the overnight clear channel wars also worked at WICE. WPRO had Joe Thomas at night who was huge statewide. WPRO-AM just morphed into PRO-FM and is still chugging along. On 3/12/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Wouldn't WEAN make more sense, considering the music era they'll be > playing... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NN > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:17 AM > To: Eli Polonsky > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 > > Wonder if they will bring the WICE calls back as they seem to be available. > > Citadel added Imus in Washington and Atlanta in recent days and I > suspect WLS may happen sooner than later now. > > If there is a firesale who picks up the pieces? Entercom stock is > tanking as well. > > I fear Salem will wind up with WLS. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 19:42:57 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:42:57 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> Message-ID: <4fc429770803121642qe83f2e5rb57bb8ea7ec6c1e0@mail.gmail.com> Danforth would not become topdog until around 1981 but he had the inside track for the top job during the Williams era. He was the ultimate bottom liner and he was driven to make sure Westinghouse would not meet the same fate as another Pittsburgh icon Gulf Oil. I do know in the mid 70's he had tremendous clout in the broadcast division. It is a name you do not drop in working class Pittsburgh to this day. From iraapple@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 20:16:42 2008 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:42 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com><4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com><000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> Without going into too many details, I don't know about Mr. Danforth, but there were several people who did not want to "renew" his contract. Jerry seemed to have greatly embarrassed WBZ management when he debated Avi Nelson. I did not hear those debates but I was told that Avi made Jerry look extremely bad; that Avi ate his lunch, etc. Jerry was also negotiating for more money. He also committed the "sin" of having a lawyer working with him. That may not have made any difference in the long run. Despite what you may have heard otherwise, his ratings had been going down. That didn't help. It was really not my call though apparently I get the credit or the blame depending on your point of view. Now you know some more of the story. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:16 PM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Don A Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley Jerry was not fired by Westinghouse they just didn't renew him. The person who wanted him gone was Douglas Danforth who was the CEO of Westinghouse Electric. Jerry was just too much of a loose cannon for HQ in Pittsburgh. Guy Manilla wanted off sports and BZ had Ken Beatrice ready for sports (who quickly fled to Washington ) so Guy got Jerry's gig. I think the most fascinating part of the book is how Chicago ended badly for Jerry. He was doing mornings and the show was holding its own against WGN. However Bill Paley heard a rumor that Westinghouse would flip WIND to all news and he wasn't about to be beaten again like he was with WINS so talk was gone. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 19:53:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:53:15 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <00e101c88497$170104d0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770803120631w7d0cc508s3262e4d98de06182@mail.gmail.com> <00e101c88497$170104d0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770803121653o4a5c4f05yad360b5962a56441@mail.gmail.com> Oddly enough WGNG morphed into WICE about 2O years ago. Knight once told me that Dick Richmond was a generous boss compared to the owners of WICE which is a little scary. From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Mar 12 18:56:45 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:56:45 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47D85FAD.7080906@tampabay.rr.com> At my house we call him "Sy Yapoff" :-) Jon W1MNK Brandon FL USA Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Didn't Yanoff read station editorials on the air? I think so, and Jess > Cain's takeoff on him was Sy Yanaroff--a guy with a weak, high voice, > who delivered absolutely incoherent "editorials" in a monotone. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Scott Fybush" > Cc: "Don A" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > > >> One thing is obvious. People who worked at BZ in those days do not >> remember Donald McGannon, Si Yanoff or Jim Lightfoot fondly but >> McGannon is the name they mention most. >> >> I worked with Win Baker at WNEV and he was no fan of Westinghouse >> either. >> >> On 3/12/08, Scott Fybush wrote: >>> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> > I received an email overnight that Bruce is alive and living in >>> > Arizona and is aware of this thread. He was doing talk in the >>> > Phoenix >>> > area until 2 years ago. >>> > >>> > He also does not want to talk to anybody about Boston ever. >>> > >>> > Sad. >>> >>> >>> Yup - that's what I was told when I tried to track him down for the >>> 1993 >>> radio history special I did with Brudnoy. I believe he was in St. >>> Louis >>> at that point, but the answer was the same...not interested. >>> >>> (However, that was also the response I got at the time from Larry >>> Glick, >>> and happily, he's reconsidered since then.) >>> >>> s >>> > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Mar 12 21:58:13 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:13 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> Message-ID: <20080313015714.923301EDD53@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 08:16 PM 3/12/2008, iraapple wrote: >Jerry seemed to have greatly embarrassed WBZ management when he debated Avi >Nelson. I did not hear those debates but I was told that Avi made Jerry >look extremely bad; that Avi ate his lunch, etc. Jerry was indeed treated unfairly at WMEX and his numbers were indeed excellent (I've seen them). And yes, the media coverage of the debates with Avi Nelson (one of the first televised rightie versus leftie debates) do gently hint that Avi made the better points. But Jerry was still very popular so nobody wanted to overtly come out and insult his performance. Jerry was self-educated and a populist-- a Lou Dobbs kind of guy, and sometimes I think he wanted to prove that he could debate anyone, even people with more education or more expertise, and make them look foolish. Most of these debates, even the ones on the air, turned out badly. He had a guy from the KKK on his show in Chicago, and the media felt he let things really get out of hand... He was very good with the callers, and we all owe him for having made two-way talk popular in Boston, but alas, he was often his own worst enemy. I'll say no more than that. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 23:25:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:25:46 -0500 Subject: Paul Sullivan wins best Talk Show award from AP Message-ID: <4fc429770803122025u5ed3daa4qe87ec1f6a5bfa7b7@mail.gmail.com> The AP Massachusetts/Rhode Island chapter gives Paul one final salute http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/12/paul_sullivan_late_radio_host_among_those_earning_ap_awards/ From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 13 00:49:34 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:49:34 -0400 Subject: Prov.: Oldies 790; WPRO AM simulcast on 99.7 In-Reply-To: <001501c88424$85e7cff0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: , <001501c88424$85e7cff0$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <47D87A1E.6302.5130D9@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Mar 2008 at 5:36, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > But to be the one with the "hammer" going after anyone, then having > the laze-faire attitude about breaking the law yourself, that > hypocrisy is what upsets people more than the transgression itself, > IMHO. Or as my father used to say, if you step on people when you're on the way up, they won't hesitate to give you a kick when you're on the way down. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 01:51:56 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:51:56 -0400 Subject: King Arthur Knight References: <00e001c88496$f51d0620$cedd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <00fd01c884ce$c5615980$6501a8c0@s20208> > Ah! I remember King Authur Knight on WMEX...Was that in the X-15 Air Force > time frame? (I thought that was a cool moniker...) I don't remember much about The King's airwork...and I can't even recall his voice or his bits. But I DO remember the name, the on-air jingle "Kiing Arthuuur Kniiiight", and the fact that he was featured prominently on the WMEX Music Survey. Besides having a memorable name....was he considered one of the better jocks at WMEX? What shift did he do? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 01:54:06 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:54:06 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V><20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208><4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com><47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com><4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com><000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> Message-ID: <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> > Jerry seemed to have greatly embarrassed WBZ management when he debated > Avi > Nelson. I did not hear those debates but I was told that Avi made Jerry > look extremely bad; that Avi ate his lunch, etc. Why were they debating? What was the occaision? From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Mar 13 04:20:17 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:20:17 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 01:54 AM 3/13/2008, in response to Ira Apple, Don A wrote: >>Jerry seemed to have greatly embarrassed WBZ management when he debated Avi >>Nelson. I did not hear those debates but I was told that Avi made Jerry >>look extremely bad; that Avi ate his lunch, etc. > >Why were they debating? No special reason. It was the early 70s, and TV stations were just discovering the idea of taking a rightie and a leftie and putting them on the air to debate the issues. Avi Nelson was always a rightie, and back then, Jerry was much more of a leftie. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 13 10:08:51 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:08:51 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> The book also brings back the saga of the caller who claimed to be a Vietman Vet and how wrong everything was. Jerry made sure a tape of that call was distributed far and wide as much as anything could have been in the early 70's. At the time a friend who also hosted a talk show on another station but by then had switched to sports was convinced the tape was a hoax and that Jerry had set it up. I only knew Jerry on a very casual basis then and I didn't have any insight on what made him tick. A few years later he was helpful when I took a job in Chicago. He was obsessed with being on TV and he was clueless on why he bombed at channel 4. The problem was not him per say but he replaced Bob Kennedy who viewers considered warm and friendly. Jerry just came across as someone who should have been in a gangster movie and just was not suited for morning TV. I did spend an interesting night with him at the bar at The Drake hotel in Chicago some 2 0 years ago. A few months earlier I had helped arranged Jerry being on WLS with Fred Winston and Les Grobstein during Super Bowl week. Jerry went whacko as he must have figured I am back on the air in Chicago and while he was supposed to talk only about the Patriots he soon forgot about sports and was just vintage Jerry. BTW he refused to go back on with Winston after the Patriots lost and never paid his bet. That night at the hotel he asked me the tech how NBC had a worse signal in DC than WMEX. I didn't even know he had been at WRC and he was ranting on how the FCC must have punished NBC for their political coverage. It was also obvious he missed Chicago very much. He never got over CBS dumping him and back then there was no way the Tribune would hire him at WGN. He was positive that WLS was going to hire him when they switched to talk but the reality was his stunt on the Winston show was never forgotten by ABC. I think what killed him more than anything was he never became a player in New York. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Mar 13 20:15:02 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:15:02 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080314001438.F21DD44C0F1@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Can anyone answer this query that was sent to me on another list? "I am desperately seeking the recording of the radio broadcast of the 7th game of the 1957 NBA finals in which the Boston Celtics beat the St Louis Hawks in double overtime to win their first NBA Championship. My aunt and uncle were at that game at the Boston Garden, and they tell me that it was, bar none, the greatest sporting event of all time..." Reply to me and I will forward it to the guy who asked. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 13 20:21:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:21:14 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <20080314001438.F21DD44C0F1@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <20080314001438.F21DD44C0F1@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803131721s7d052eect929f2e3ee6272cc9@mail.gmail.com> There were snippets of that game on a Fleetwood Recording Havlichek Stole The Ball. I will check tomorrow to see if the entire broadcast exists. If where I am checking doesn't have it nobody does. On 3/13/08, Donna Halper wrote: > Can anyone answer this query that was sent to me on another list? "I > am desperately seeking the recording of the radio broadcast of the > 7th game of the 1957 NBA finals in which the Boston Celtics beat the > St Louis Hawks in double overtime to win their first NBA > Championship. My aunt and uncle were at that game at the Boston > Garden, and they tell me that it was, bar none, the greatest sporting > event of all time..." Reply to me and I will forward it to the guy who > asked. > > > From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 13 20:44:02 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:44:02 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think what killed him more than anything was he never became a > player in New York. Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, Jerry 'never had a dinner!' Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 13 21:08:46 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:08:46 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D9D01E.8020500@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I think what killed him more than anything was he never became a >> player in New York. > > Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, Jerry 'never had a dinner!' And perhaps the funniest revelation from Steve and Alan's excellent new book (what do you mean you haven't bought a copy and read it yet?!?!) is that back in his WMEX days, Jerry actually WAS honored at several dinners, so all those years of "I never had a dinner" weren't entirely honest (even if they were great radio!) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 13 21:10:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:10:59 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803120806v589ecc52j47002f013d0adc83@mail.gmail.com> <47D8352E.6000502@fybush.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c88570$462dfef0$04f8a742@SatU205S5044> Jerry freely admitted that he stole the "I never had a dinner" line. I recently heard the name of the person from whom he stole it (a comedian, I believe), but now I've forgotten. Was it Red Buttons, maybe? I don't think it was Don Rickles. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Don A" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: The clout of Jerry Williams > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I think what killed him more than anything was he never became a >> player in New York. > > Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, Jerry 'never had a dinner!' > Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 13 21:46:05 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:46:05 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803131830g69a266dy90d0afc14068ae68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> <001901c88570$462dfef0$04f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803131830g69a266dy90d0afc14068ae68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D9D8DD.7070305@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Oh and who paid the bar bill at The Drake hotel in Chicago when I met Jerry? > > Sigh........... > 'Decorating the mahogany' is considered an art form. Now, if you remember the price of the tab, you will have to share your vitamin regimen. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 13 21:54:57 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:54:57 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <47D9D8DD.7070305@gmail.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> <001901c88570$462dfef0$04f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803131830g69a266dy90d0afc14068ae68@mail.gmail.com> <47D9D8DD.7070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803131854y349ddf59jb33580fad104b352@mail.gmail.com> It was the first time I ever used a credit card in a bar.....I was used to the Billy Goat a half mile south on Michigan Av. Of course Jerry would never go there...Royko would have destroyed him. On 3/13/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Oh and who paid the bar bill at The Drake hotel in Chicago when I met > Jerry? > > > > Sigh........... > > > > 'Decorating the mahogany' is considered an art form. Now, if you > remember the price of the tab, you will have to share your vitamin > regimen. > > Bill O'Neill > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 13 21:30:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:30:56 -0400 Subject: The clout of Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <001901c88570$462dfef0$04f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803121331h30453401k836e97bc49b95@mail.gmail.com> <000201c88481$3db1f6e0$1ceda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803121416h2bf11dd0j9573754a5ea83edd@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8849f$84a2fe00$a304fb45@IraApple> <00fe01c884ce$c58c6120$6501a8c0@s20208> <20080313081821.CBDBE1EABC0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803130708u5ff142fat6b5558bb5b3f849e@mail.gmail.com> <47D9CA52.7060006@gmail.com> <001901c88570$462dfef0$04f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803131830g69a266dy90d0afc14068ae68@mail.gmail.com> It was Buttons. 2 footnotes. I did a favor for Mac in the late 60's that required an out of pocket expense of about 2 bucks. While I was a part time paid employee to get that 2 bucks back killed a few trees. He gave me forms to sign that I was absolving Richmond Brothers from all debts starting with the creation of the world to this date. Oh and who paid the bar bill at The Drake hotel in Chicago when I met Jerry? Sigh........... On 3/13/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Jerry freely admitted that he stole the "I never had a dinner" line. I > recently heard the name of the person from whom he stole it (a > comedian, I believe), but now I've forgotten. Was it Red Buttons, > maybe? I don't think it was Don Rickles. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill O'Neill" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Don A" > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: The clout of Jerry Williams > > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I think what killed him more than anything was he never became a > >> player in New York. > > > > Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, Jerry 'never had a dinner!' > > Bill O'Neill > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Mar 14 19:48:25 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:48:25 -0400 Subject: All sleaze all the time: "Client 9 Radio" Message-ID: <47DB0EC9.8000404@gabrielmass.com> Sirius is devoting channel 126 this weekend to the Spitzer scandal, pulling together material about the case from various talk channels: http://www.sirius.com/client9radio I suppose this illustrates an advantage satellite services possess: with ample bandwidth and channel slots, they can create short-term event-centered channels without inconveniencing their mainstream listeners. They've done this before for sporting events. So far the channel's sounders feature oldie pop songs about betrayal: "Lyin' Eyes", "I Heard It Through The Grapevine", etc. I haven't heard them play "Bad Girls" or "Don't Cha" yet, but they'll get around to it. Maybe they could turn this into a regular channel about whatever scandal erupts in politics, business, or entertainment from day to day: "Schadenfreude Radio". --RC From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Sat Mar 15 19:12:50 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:12:50 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Message-ID: If I recall correctly, Lightfoot was well regarded. He had plans to syndicate the Sports Huddle after he left BZ to go to San Diego, but then died unexpectedly. In Boston, he was replaced by Yanoff, who yielded to pressure from the Boston Bruins, which at the time owned the city, and gassed Andelman & co. Mainella defended management on his program (my favorite line: "I've been in this business 17 years and let me tell you something. There is absolutely no chance that a CBS O & O like 'EEI will ever take a chance on something like the Sports Huddle." Six weeks later they began a run of ten years or so on that same CBS O & O). Win Baker (called by Tom Snyder "the meanest man in broadcasting from his days at KYW-TV) was the TV GM at the time. He left, I think to be President of the Group W Television stations, Yanoff took over TV and Bill Cusak took over radio. Cusak was married to McGannon's daughter and suddenly left the company. Bill Hartman took over and immediately shook things to the core -- BZ had fallen to second place behind Blair's WHDH, and Hartman told the staff he couldn't tolerate that they were running around acting like they were number one when they weren't. First act: Putting Maynard on overnights. Maynard blistered management his first night on and was called in to meet with Group W attorneys and informed that while, yes, he had a five-yearw on when Blair made a run at him, but no, he wasn't going to do that again or "we'll keep you off the air and just guess how hot you'll be after nobody hears you for a few years." During much of this area, there was a figurehead Area Vice Chairman, Lamont "Tommy" Thompson who was liked, but who had no power. As for Bruce Bradley, he has been negative toward any reunion or nostalgia project, and in one case was downright nasty to someone who followed up a letter with a phone call, inviting him to, in effect, be a returning hero at an on-air reunion. The reason isn't clear. He left in the early 80s on his own to go to WYNY (FM), an NBC O & O at the time, and his last segment on his WBZ PM drive program consisted of playing Stevie Winwood's "when you see a chance" and saying "I have left this station twice and both times I have gone to New York because as the song says, [sneaks song under] ain't this smooth, when you see a chance take it, and I have to, and that's the hard part about leaving this radio station and leaving this city of Boston. But I am" So if he thinks he's getting some sort of revenge by refusing to discuss or acknowledge time in Boston he's wrong, because nobody seems to know why he seems bitter. It's kind of sad, in a pathetic sort of way. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 15 21:40:15 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:40:15 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Bud wrote-- > So if he thinks he's getting some sort of revenge by refusing to >discuss or acknowledge time in Boston he's wrong, because nobody seems to >know why he seems bitter. It's kind of sad, in a pathetic sort of way. Some people in the biz are just bitter, angry people and that's how it is for them. At some point, Bruce's life began to turn unpleasant, and today he would prefer to move forward rather than look back. Maybe Boston has bad memories for him-- divorce, alcoholism, whatever. But even for those with no personal problems, some people are funny about re-visiting their past. There are those who love it and enjoy the adulation of their fans-- several yeaes ago, we had a reunion of the WNEU (Northeastern University) radio station staff, and many of us had a chance to bow before one of our honoured guests-- Arnie Ginsburg-- who seemed very pleased that we still remembered. On the other hand, I had Aaron Brown (then of CNN) as a guest speaker at Emerson a while back, and while I have deep respect for his ability as a news anchor (and still miss NewsNight), he was... shall we say... a bit cranky when I showed him the clippings I had assembled of his career. He made some sort of comment about he didn't need to see them because he had lived through it-- in other words, that was then, so let's move on. Okay fine. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 15 22:18:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:18:09 -0400 Subject: Barnicle to WBUR? In-Reply-To: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net> References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com> Just saw this little tidbit on The Phoenix website. Mike on 90.9? I suppose anything is possible these days. I do believe the reason Air America and other left leaning hosts have not been cleared by major stations is that listeners who would be attracted to that format also listen to NPR and just won't tolerate long commercial breaks. Just my theory. Does WWKB have any listeners these days as they maybe the most powerful outlet the left has in the US. http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=206c931c-afff-4155-8db5-a1dc09b74490 From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Mar 15 22:04:58 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:04:58 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0803151904y64bd19w23567c387f14eaf7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > But even for those with no personal problems, some people are funny about > re-visiting their past. I agree, there are. I have older airchecks of DJ's I'm friends with, and they have made off-hand comments along the lines of "You should really burn that tape." I get the feeling some of my friends aren't kidding. - Blaine From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Mar 16 09:49:50 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:49:50 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47dd258f.21c07e0a.6c22.ffffecec@mx.google.com> Donna Halper wrote: >Bud wrote-- > >> So if he thinks he's getting some sort of revenge by refusing to >>discuss or acknowledge time in Boston he's wrong, because nobody seems to >>know why he seems bitter. It's kind of sad, in a pathetic sort of way. > >Some people in the biz are just bitter, angry people and that's how >it is for them. At some point, Bruce's life began to turn >unpleasant, and today he would prefer to move forward rather than >look back. Maybe Boston has bad memories for him-- divorce, >alcoholism, whatever. I'm tending to believe the former. Several years ago I came across a link to an article on (containing some interview segments with) Bruce after he lost his last St. Louis market gig. Apparently, he'd made some politically incorrect remark that was taken as racist and he was toast. The article and interview made him come across as an extremely bitter man who took every setback in his life as a personal insult. The article went on to say that he was estranged from his children, and that his wife had left him. What a sad way to spend one's golden years, though as the saying goes, that crotchety 80 year old was probably a crochety 30 year old too. I though't I'd saved the article, but it must be on some long-crashed hard drive. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 16 10:23:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:23:21 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> Steve I am friend with someone who worked with Bruce both at BZ and WROW in Albany. She says he was a bitter man 40 years ago. I do know Bruce hated it when BZ moved his show from Revere Beach to Nantasket as he hated the drive but BZ signed a deal with Paragon Park partly to offset how popular Arnie Ginsburg was in Nantasket. Bruce obviously could have cashed in when oldies formats exploded 20 years ago but it is obvious he wanted know part of it. We tend to forget how popular he was out in 38 state land and he was proud that he was once #1 at night.....in Baltimore. He certainly rivaled Bruce Morrow and Dick Biondi with a national audience. Arnie Ginsburg by contrast was a very shy man. I remember the night he was approached at the old Boston Press Club by one of Jerry's directors (fancy name for phone screener) about being on a reunion weekend at WBZ around 1970. Arnie was simply doing sales at RKO and he was convinced nobody would remember him. The guy that convinced him was the late Jack Kelly who was then a BZ newsman. Poor Jack made the mistake of getting on the wrong side of Whitey Bulger 30 years ago and met a hideous end. He was warned but Jack thought he was smarter than Whitey. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 16 10:33:01 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47dd258f.21c07e0a.6c22.ffffecec@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000901c88772$a4cc40d0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> I'm pretty sure that Bradley is still in his 70s--early 70s, probably. I remember him from one of his first gigs--at WROW in Albany. That would have been around 1954. The station had a full-service/MOR format (no rock; it was the CBS affiliate for the Capital District) and even without the kind of music for which he ultimately became famous, I thought he was incredibly talented. He was already married and, I believe that during his tenure at WROW, he became the father of twins (no, I don't recall their gender, if I ever knew it). I do recall that he was rather young (early 20s, I believe) to already have two kids. Now, you're probably going to say "70s, 80s, what's the difference?" My answer is, wait until you are in your 70s. I don't think you'll look at it that way. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > Donna Halper wrote: >>Bud wrote-- >> >>> So if he thinks he's getting some sort of revenge by refusing to >>>discuss or acknowledge time in Boston he's wrong, because nobody >>>seems to >>>know why he seems bitter. It's kind of sad, in a pathetic sort of >>>way. >> >>Some people in the biz are just bitter, angry people and that's how >>it is for them. At some point, Bruce's life began to turn >>unpleasant, and today he would prefer to move forward rather than >>look back. Maybe Boston has bad memories for him-- divorce, >>alcoholism, whatever. > > > I'm tending to believe the former. Several years ago I came across > a link to an article on (containing some interview segments with) > Bruce after he lost his last St. Louis market gig. Apparently, he'd > made some politically incorrect remark that was taken as racist and > he was toast. The article and interview made him come across as an > extremely bitter man who took every setback in his life as a > personal insult. The article went on to say that he was estranged > from his children, and that his wife had left him. What a sad way > to spend one's golden years, though as the saying goes, that > crotchety 80 year old was probably a crochety 30 year old too. > I though't I'd saved the article, but it must be on some > long-crashed hard drive. From rickkelly@gmail.com Sun Mar 16 11:26:00 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:26:00 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <000901c88772$a4cc40d0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47dd258f.21c07e0a.6c22.ffffecec@mx.google.com> <000901c88772$a4cc40d0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <521b7fd10803160826g2e4bb396h2153fe52f896095b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'm pretty sure that Bradley is still in his 70s--early 70s, probably. > I remember him from one of his first gigs--at WROW in Albany. That > would have been around 1954. The station had a full-service/MOR format > (no rock; it was the CBS affiliate for the Capital District) and even > without the kind of music for which he ultimately became famous, I > thought he was incredibly talented. I can confirm that Bradley is a bitter guy. This second hand information, but I've read the emails from him. Sad, he has a lot of history. He was at WROW during their brief rock and roll era, in the late 1950's as well. He grew up in Troy, NY was a big fan of WTRY as a kid (late 1940's-50's.) -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 16 10:55:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:55:31 -0400 Subject: Barnicle to WBUR? References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net> <4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Since WCKY dropped Progressive talk, I think C;ass A WWKB must have the largest nighttime coverage of any station that carries the format, but other 50 kW AMs also carry Progressive talk. One is KTLK in LA. It's not a Class A and it runs slightly less than 50 kW at night so it has much more limited night coverage than KB does. (KTLK is also likely to move at some point from its diplex with KTNQ because CCU, which owns KTLK, and SBS, which owns KTNQ, can't agree on the rent. When that happens, KTLK will have to operate with much lower night power, and probably lower day power as well.) KPTK in Seattle is 50 kW-U but is also a Class B, although it probably has pretty good night coverage in the Pacific Northwest. KKZN in Denver has a HUGE 50-kW daytime signal on 760 but is only 1 kW at night. It doesn't do badly for 1 kW at night, but it is still only 1 kW. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Barnicle to WBUR? > Just saw this little tidbit on The Phoenix website. Mike on 90.9? I > suppose anything is possible these days. > > I do believe the reason Air America and other left leaning hosts > have > not been cleared by major stations is that listeners who would be > attracted to that format also listen to NPR and just won't tolerate > long commercial breaks. Just my theory. > > Does WWKB have any listeners these days as they maybe the most > powerful outlet the left has in the US. > > > http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=206c931c-afff-4155-8db5-a1dc09b74490 From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 16 12:10:31 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:10:31 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10803160826g2e4bb396h2153fe52f896095b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47dd258f.21c07e0a.6c22.ffffecec@mx.google.com> <000901c88772$a4cc40d0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <521b7fd10803160826g2e4bb396h2153fe52f896095b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803160910y7a16e32fk5e0f5cbd3f76fe42@mail.gmail.com> Bud mentioned the first night WBZ put Dave on overnights. It was brutal and I thought I was hearing another Robie Young meltdown on the air. I think it was around 1978 as Glick had jumped to HDH but had to take a year off. Maybe 10-15 years ago I read an interview by Rush where he said Bruce inspired him when he was at KMOX and he would listen nights in Kansas City. Rush is now a multi-millionaire and I suspect that does not sit well with Bruce. No different from a great baseball player in the 60's seeing what players today get. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 16 14:06:07 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:06:07 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Steve > > I am friend with someone who worked with Bruce both at BZ and WROW in > Albany. She says he was a bitter man 40 years ago. > > I don't know Mr. Bradley but shouldn't we at least wait until he's gone before we completely trash him? Gotta go. I have a sliver in my eye. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 16 16:16:46 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:16:46 -0400 Subject: Barnicle to WBUR? References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044> There must be more to the rule on aux AM power than you suggest. As you know, the towers of WSBC 1240 Chicago and WCPT 820 Chicago (I believe those are today's 820 calls) are on virtually adjacent parcels of land on Chicago's north side. The WSBC tower is the shorter of the two and hence is less efficient--particularly on 820, where it is substantially less than 1/4 wavelength. The main 820 tower (once the main site for WXRT (FM) and now, I think, the WXRT aux site) is substantially taller than 1/4 wavelength at 820, though, because of a substandard ground system (constrained by the size of the property), the efficiency for WCPT is well below the ~350 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, that one might expect with a tower of that height. Anyhow, WCPT, whose normal operating power is 5 kW from the tall tower, holds a CP to diplex with WSBC for auxiliary purposes and the power from the shorter tower is limited to 3.2 kW. Perhaps the limitation derives from some other criterion. For example, maybe WCPT, for its main operation from the tall tower, has a waiver covering population within the 1V/m contour, but the FCC won't grant such a waiver for the aux operation. Anyhow, WCPT is not unique with regard to having limited aux power. Note that WCBS, whose relatively short aux tower is on the same little island off the Bronx as its 207-degree main tower, is limited to substantially lower aux power than WCBS's normal 50 kW. I've never heard an explanation of this quirk in FCC regulations. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Barnicle to WBUR? > < said: > >> (KTLK is also likely to move at some point from its diplex with >> KTNQ >> because CCU, which owns KTLK, and SBS, which owns KTNQ, can't agree >> on the rent. When that happens, KTLK will have to operate with >> much >> lower night power, and probably lower day power as well.) > > Presumably it could move back to Montecito Heights with its old 5 > kW-U > DA-N configuration. Clear Channel still maintains the lease there, > and KFI is operating from there now at 20 kW ND while its main tower > in La Mirada is being rebuilt. KTLK actually has a CP for 4 kW-U > DA-1, > as an auxiliary, from this facility; the reduction appears to be > necessary only because of the requirement that the 0.5 of an aux be > entirely encompassed by the 0.5 of the main; see the exhibit to > BXP-20070223AGX. No chance of building new towers there, though. > > -GAWollman > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 16 20:39:32 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:39:32 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:06 PM 3/16/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >> >I don't know Mr. Bradley but shouldn't we at least wait until he's >gone before we completely trash him? Umm, I wasn't trashing him. I adored the guy when he was on the air at WBZ. Since then, he's become very upset about something or other, and it's public knowledge because there have been newspaper articles written about it in several of the cities where he worked. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 16 21:04:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:04:08 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803161804t70dda1b9ga024d52a89a81619@mail.gmail.com> I remember one Bruce moment in Boston where he was really nasty at a concert. It was the Beatles at Suffolk Down in 1966 and Bruce was forced to be a co MC with Arnie and a jock from WPTR (Roger Scott) Scott was very popular in Montreal at CFOX and moved to WPTR because it had a better signal at night. Bruce was downright nasty to Scott on the stage and insulted Albany. On 3/16/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 02:06 PM 3/16/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >> > >I don't know Mr. Bradley but shouldn't we at least wait until he's > >gone before we completely trash him? > > Umm, I wasn't trashing him. I adored the guy when he was on the air > at WBZ. Since then, he's become very upset about something or other, > and it's public knowledge because there have been newspaper articles > written about it in several of the cities where he worked. > > From dave@skywaves.net Sun Mar 16 21:14:38 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:14:38 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Hi Dan- >Note that WCBS, whose relatively short aux tower is on the same little >island off the Bronx as its 207-degree main tower, is limited to >substantially lower aux power than WCBS's normal 50 kW. I've never heard an >explanation of this quirk in FCC regulations. With a shorter tower, vertical radiation increases dramatically. It is not unreasonable to expect that the nighttime power limit for a short tower would be much lower than a tall tower. You are of course referring to the City Island site shared by 660 and 880 - WFAN and WCBS - for many years. I had occasion to look into the history of the City Island site many years ago. As I recall, the WCBS aux antenna at that time was a section of one of the guy wires, or might have been a vertical wire hung from a guy wire. In any event, I doubt that WCBS would have applied for more aux power than they could reasonably produce, given that arrangement. I have vague memories of the original WNBC site at Port Jefferson - two or three towers, with a pond in front of the building sporting a fountain to help cool the transmitter. My dad worked at NBC TV in those days, and all the NBC staff was invited to bring their families to an annual picnic. -d From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 16 22:05:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:05:27 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Certainly a shorter tower dramatically increases the vertical radiation. No argument there! BUT the increased vertical radiation is really an issue only at high crtical angles. High-angle skywave is important only for stations close to the interfering station. Garrett, in a private communication, said that the limitation on WCBS's (and WFAN's) aux power is imposed by the power-handling capacity of the short auxiliary tower that serves both stations. However, my recollection is that WCBS's (but NOT WFAN's) aux power is restricted to a lower value at night than by day. If so, I speculated that WCBS's problem might be WAMG, which is definitely close enough to be affected. There are a couple of problems with this theory, however. The high-angle skywave should be no greater with 25 kW into a 60-degree tower than with 50 kW into a 207-degree tower. Also, AFAIK, the only contributor to WAMG's 12.5 mV/m NIF is WLS. I find it hard to believe that WCBS would have to reduce aux power from ~25 kW D to ~19 kW N (IIRC) to protect WAMG, which is unlikely to receive a bigger interfering skywave with 25 kW into the 60+-degree tower than with 50 kW into the 207-degree tower. So the mystery is not resolved. BTW the high-angle skywave effect is probably nowhere more important than with interference from WAMG to WCBS. Glen Clark, who designed WAMG's new 6-kW night pattern, used a supercomputer to analyze the skywave from WAMG toward WCBS and demonstrated that, because of WAMG's tall towers, radiation is so low at high angles that no consequential inteference occurs to WCBS until you are over open ocean south of Long Island's south shore. Interference over open water doesn't count. Interestingly, the reason that WAMG has such tall towers is that the array was originally designed for what is now WBIX. WBIX has to protect KYW which is only about 275 airline miles away. (Its protected contour is even closer.) The array design required the tall towers to suppress high-angle skywave. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: AM Aux sites / towers > Hi Dan- > >>Note that WCBS, whose relatively short aux tower is on the same >>little island off the Bronx as its 207-degree main tower, is limited >>to substantially lower aux power than WCBS's normal 50 kW. I've >>never heard an explanation of this quirk in FCC regulations. > > With a shorter tower, vertical radiation increases dramatically. It > is not unreasonable to expect that the nighttime power limit for a > short tower would be much lower than a tall tower. > > You are of course referring to the City Island site shared by 660 > and 880 - WFAN and WCBS - for many years. I had occasion to look > into the history of the City Island site many years ago. As I > recall, the WCBS aux antenna at that time was a section of one of > the guy wires, or might have been a vertical wire hung from a guy > wire. In any event, I doubt that WCBS would have applied for more > aux power than they could reasonably produce, given that > arrangement. > > I have vague memories of the original WNBC site at Port Jefferson - > two or three towers, with a pond in front of the building sporting a > fountain to help cool the transmitter. My dad worked at NBC TV in > those days, and all the NBC staff was invited to bring their > families to an annual picnic. > > -d From glen@clarkcom.com Sun Mar 16 22:33:46 2008 From: glen@clarkcom.com (Glen Clark) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:33:46 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers In-Reply-To: <001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Garrett, > in a private communication, said that the limitation on WCBS's (and > WFAN's) aux power is imposed by the power-handling capacity of the > short auxiliary tower that serves both stations. Dan: Sometimes this comes from a strange direction. It may have to do with the tower impedance of the short tower. When I was at WLS in Chicago, the main tower had a drive point with a real part approximately 200 ohms. 50 kW was about 17 amps. But the aux tower was much shorter. The real part of the impedance for the aux tower was about 11 ohms, which came out to about 67 amps. Presuming an equivalent series resistance for the ground system of 2 ohms, that's 9 kW of heat in the ground system. It's not impossible to deal with if the ground system is done right. But all the bonds have to be done just right and they have to be maintained energetically. With best regards, - Glen From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 16 23:18:12 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:18:12 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers In-Reply-To: References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net> <4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com> <001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18397.58100.18292.236813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: [In response to Dan's question about needing to run lower power into short aux towers] > Sometimes this comes from a strange direction. It may have to do > with the tower impedance of the short tower. I don't precisely remember what Mark Olkowski said was the reason, but this sounds like it could be it. Scott's page says that the DX-50 didn't care for the aux tower, and I remember the engineers there say that they usually fired up the Continental when operation on the aux tower was necessary. (Also note that the 660/880 aux tower is guy-wire top-loaded. Or at least the old one was; it has apparently been replaced, and I haven't seen the new one.) -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 02:01:34 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:01:34 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <7bded94e0803151904y64bd19w23567c387f14eaf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> >> But even for those with no personal problems, some people are funny about >> re-visiting their past. I've always admired how Arnie Ginsberg isn't afraif to revisit the past. He seems to appear at every "reunion"-typeevent....enjoys talking about the fun he had at that time. And I never heard him talk sour grapes...about Mac Richmond screwed him or anyone else. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 17 07:27:51 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:27:51 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <7bded94e0803151904y64bd19w23567c387f14eaf7@mail.gmail.com> <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <4fc429770803170427r3d93c0e4le9b727107fa92e0a@mail.gmail.com> Arnie became a very wealthy man because of broadcasting. First he invested well with Rich Balsbaugh at WXKS and then hit the jackpot with channel 66 along with co-owner John Garabedian when they sold it to Home Shopping Club. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Don A wrote: > > And I never heard him talk sour grapes...about Mac Richmond screwed him or > anyone else. > > > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 08:02:54 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:02:54 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47DE5DEE.8060203@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Umm, I wasn't trashing him. I adored the guy when he was on the air > at WBZ. Since then, he's become very upset about something or other, > and it's public knowledge because there have been newspaper articles > written about it in several of the cities where he worked. My remarks weren't directed at anyone in particular -- it had just occurred to me that the string devolved to a piling-on the guy, that's all. Perhaps he has his reasons, who knows? Bill O' From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 17 08:21:01 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:21:01 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803160723y538bdeb7w877fd161fddfd1af@mail.gmail.com> <47DD618F.6070003@gmail.com> <20080317003912.E2FC244C004@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <47DE5DEE.8060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <040301c88829$5d66e440$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Well said, Bill. And BTW --- from a fellow-Irishman (Scots-Irish, but hey), Happy St. Paddy's Day to you and you all. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley > Donna Halper wrote: >> Umm, I wasn't trashing him. I adored the guy when he was on the air at >> WBZ. Since then, he's become very upset about something or other, and >> it's public knowledge because there have been newspaper articles written >> about it in several of the cities where he worked. > My remarks weren't directed at anyone in particular -- it had just > occurred to me that the string devolved to a piling-on the guy, that's > all. Perhaps he has his reasons, who knows? > > Bill O' From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Mon Mar 17 17:56:01 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:56:01 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803170427r3d93c0e4le9b727107fa92e0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316013955.60940205CFF@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <7bded94e0803151904y64bd19w23567c387f14eaf7@mail.gmail.com> <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770803170427r3d93c0e4le9b727107fa92e0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DEE8F1.4060705@tampabay.rr.com> Kevin, where is John (H) Garabedian these days? I used to talk to him Saturday's and Sunday's when setting up the tape delay at the Quincy WMEX transmitter. Jon W1MNK Brandon FL USA Kevin Vahey wrote: > Arnie became a very wealthy man because of broadcasting. First he > invested well with Rich Balsbaugh at WXKS and then hit the jackpot > with channel 66 along with co-owner John Garabedian when they sold it > to Home Shopping Club. > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Don A wrote: > > >> And I never heard him talk sour grapes...about Mac Richmond screwed him or >> anyone else. >> >> >> >> >> > > From dave@skywaves.net Mon Mar 17 22:30:39 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:30:39 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044><000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net><001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044> <18397.58100.18292.236813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003701c888a0$0e80dc10$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Well, let's check out the actual app. It is available online at http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_sear.htm. Search for apps for WCBS and select BXP-20020816AAO. They proposed a new 300' non-top-loaded tower. Presumably, although I did not check this out, the 200' tower it replaced was top-loaded, or they would not have mentioned this. There is not a complete ground system for this tower. It was proposed to use a square ground mesh bonded to the copper radials of the main tower that pass through the area. Although not specifically stated, that would go a long way toward explaining the 35kW daytime maximum. The AM License app form 302 is still a paper app, so nothing is available online that would indicate what the final base resistance was. As for night operations, the two stations studied are a new 870 in Reading, PA (still unbuilt, as far as I can tell) and WBPS (now WAMG) in Dedham, MA. Both are first adjacents, and in neither case does the proposed operating power of 26kW increase the nighttime limit. The main night power limit appears to be Dedham. At 26kW, the predicted skywave at Dedham is 0.2373mV/m. The main WCBS facility is 0.2374mV/m, and the previous aux was 0.2373mV/m. According to 73.31, in the range from 10 to 50kW, you must specify power to the nearest kW, so there is no option for, say, 26.1kW. At 27kW, the nighttime skywave would be 0.2373 * (27/26) ^ 0.5 = 0.2418mV/m, which would be an increase in nighttime interference at Dedham. So that explains the 26kW night power limitation. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 18 01:32:33 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:32:33 -0400 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> References: , <00e501c887f4$b9d1e610$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <47DF1BB1.20104.90061E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 17 Mar 2008 at 2:01, Don A wrote: > I've always admired how Arnie Ginsberg isn't afraif to revisit the > past. He seems to appear at every "reunion"-typeevent....enjoys > talking about the fun he had at that time. Hmm. I wonder whether he would do a high school reunion. And how much he's charge. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 18 07:07:47 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:07:47 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044><000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net><001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.58100.18292.236813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <003701c888a0$0e80dc10$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <000501c888e8$5222ed30$49f8a742@SatU205S5044> Thanks, Dave! I had not checked CDBS itself for WCBS's aux CP; I was relying on Bob Carpetner's AMSTNS program, which, before a few database updates (there is usually an update every week), had shown the CP. Bob did write to me that the FCC had done something funny with the database that caused some records to disappear and I suspect that the very record I wanted was one of those. I should not have assumed that if AMSTNS did not show a record, neither would the record show up with the other WCBS records at fcc.gov. That said, neither would AMSTNS have provided the kind of detail you found in the body of the application itself. I am surprised, however, that at the very high critical angles in question (WCBS is only 155 airline miles from WAMG), with a non-top-loaded 300' aux tower (~96 degrees at 880), protection to WAMG would limit WCBS to so close to half of the power it is allowed from its 207-degree main tower. I had thought that half power into an ~60-degree tower produced high-angle radiation equivalent to that from an ~200-degree tower. In WCBS's case, even the old top-loaded 200' aux tower must have been equivalent to quite a bit more than 60 degrees. Remember that the tower also served WFAN, so I suspect that the 200' tower was top loaded to no less than 72 degrees at 880 in order to achieve reasonable efficiency at 660, which would require an electrical height of at least 54 degrees at 660. And as Glen Clark pointed out yesterday, the base impedance for such a short tower is so low that, with the combined power that WCBS and WFAN would pump into it, the design and maintenance of the ground system must have presented non-trivial problems. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: Re: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) > Well, let's check out the actual app. It is available online at > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_sear.htm. > Search for apps for WCBS and select BXP-20020816AAO. > > They proposed a new 300' non-top-loaded tower. Presumably, although > I did not check this out, the 200' tower it replaced was top-loaded, > or they would not have mentioned this. > > There is not a complete ground system for this tower. It was > proposed to use a square ground mesh bonded to the copper radials of > the main tower that pass through the area. Although not specifically > stated, that would go a long way toward explaining the 35kW daytime > maximum. The AM License app form 302 is still a paper app, so > nothing is available online that would indicate what the final base > resistance was. > > As for night operations, the two stations studied are a new 870 in > Reading, PA (still unbuilt, as far as I can tell) and WBPS (now > WAMG) in Dedham, MA. Both are first adjacents, and in neither case > does the proposed operating power of 26kW increase the nighttime > limit. > > The main night power limit appears to be Dedham. At 26kW, the > predicted skywave at Dedham is 0.2373mV/m. The main WCBS facility is > 0.2374mV/m, and the previous aux was 0.2373mV/m. > > According to 73.31, in the range from 10 to 50kW, you must specify > power to the nearest kW, so there is no option for, say, 26.1kW. > > At 27kW, the nighttime skywave would be 0.2373 * (27/26) ^ 0.5 = > 0.2418mV/m, which would be an increase in nighttime interference at > Dedham. > > So that explains the 26kW night power limitation. > > -Dave Doherty > Skywaves, Inc. > 97 Webster Street > Worcester, MA 01603 > 508-425-7176 > From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 19 09:57:06 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:57:06 -0400 Subject: Dana Hersey Message-ID: <05a301c889c9$1ee44f90$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Out of curiosity: What has become of Dana Hersey since he left Channel 38? -Doug From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Mar 19 09:59:10 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:10 +0100 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey Message-ID: <47E11C2E.5040205@Gmail.com> Doug Drown wrote, > Out of curiosity: What has become of Dana Hersey since > he left Channel 38? I take it you don't listen to WRKO?! (Yes, that's him with all of the wiseacre VOs!) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 19 11:20:01 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:20:01 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey References: <47E11C2E.5040205@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <05b301c889d4$b425fe40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Well, THAT was a wake-up call. I'm usually very good at distinguishing voices, but it never dawned on me that it was the same person. I think senility must be setting in . . . -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey > Doug Drown wrote, > > > Out of curiosity: What has become of Dana Hersey since > > he left Channel 38? > > I take it you don't listen to WRKO?! > (Yes, that's him with all of the wiseacre VOs!) > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From adamg@gaffin.com Wed Mar 19 11:31:11 2008 From: adamg@gaffin.com (Adam Gaffin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:31:11 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey In-Reply-To: <05b301c889d4$b425fe40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <47E11C2E.5040205@Gmail.com> <05b301c889d4$b425fe40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47E131BF.7020403@gaffin.com> http://voice123.com/danahersey "*Rich, versatile, masculine... sophisticated."* *-- Adam * Doug Drown wrote: > Well, THAT was a wake-up call. I'm usually very good at > distinguishing voices, but it never dawned on me that it was the same > person. I think senility must be setting in . . . > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" > > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:59 AM > Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey > > >> Doug Drown wrote, >> >> > Out of curiosity: What has become of Dana Hersey since >> > he left Channel 38? >> >> I take it you don't listen to WRKO?! >> (Yes, that's him with all of the wiseacre VOs!) >> >> ~Kaimbridge~ >> >> ----- >> Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge >> >> ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** >> > > From billohno@gmail.com Wed Mar 19 15:04:00 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:04:00 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Dana Hersey In-Reply-To: <47E131BF.7020403@gaffin.com> References: <47E11C2E.5040205@Gmail.com> <05b301c889d4$b425fe40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47E131BF.7020403@gaffin.com> Message-ID: <47E163A0.5050007@gmail.com> Adam Gaffin wrote: > http://voice123.com/danahersey > > "*Rich, versatile, masculine... sophisticated."* > > *-- Adam > * Sure beats "Poor, limited, ambiguous...unrefined." Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Mar 19 17:02:09 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:02:09 -0500 Subject: WILD back to classic soul? Message-ID: <20080319210209.E570083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Did WILD drop the black talk radio network (Syndication One)? They are now (5 pm) running classic soul and identifying as "Classic Soul for Boston, Radio One's WILD 1090". Website under construction, http://www.wild1090.com Normally the "Two Live Stews" show would be on right now. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 19 17:06:58 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:06:58 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <47E18072.70105@gabrielmass.com> It's always seemed odd to me that NBC would choose to own its affiliated TV station in a medium-sized market such as Hartford-New Haven. According to the news today, that's going to change. A MarketWatch story says that NBC Universal is planning to sell its TV stations in Miami (WTVJ, market #16) and Hartford (WVIT, market #29) in order to focus on its stations in top-10 markets. The story takes its info from a leaked internal memo by John Wallace, the president of the NBC Local Media Division. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nbc-sell-miami-hartford-tv/story.aspx?guid={25C56432-591B-4A97-A4E0-F08C8E11B3B5}&siteid=yahoomy From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 19 17:15:11 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:15:11 -0400 Subject: WILD back to classic soul? In-Reply-To: <20080319210209.E570083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080319210209.E570083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18401.33375.873118.415014@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Did WILD drop the black talk radio network (Syndication One)? They > are now (5 pm) running classic soul and identifying as "Classic Soul > for Boston, Radio One's WILD 1090". Some time ago -- it was certainly doing that in early February. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed Mar 19 17:23:23 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:23:23 -0500 Subject: Eddie Andleman On WWZN? Message-ID: <20080319212323.D52631158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> The listener to WWZN-AM 1510 reports on radio-info.com's Boston board that Eddie Andleman appeared on one of their local talk shows. I remember that long before the Rutgers basketball team incident, that WTKK bleeped any reference to other stations' calls during the sports reports on Imus's show, until he got wind of it and made them stop. If Greater Media knows about this, I doubt they gave Andleman permission. Could he have been visiting WWZN to look over the property for a distress sale? -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From scott@fybush.com Wed Mar 19 17:48:27 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:48:27 -0400 Subject: Eddie Andleman On WWZN? In-Reply-To: <20080319212323.D52631158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080319212323.D52631158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47E18A2B.7080004@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > The listener to WWZN-AM 1510 reports on radio-info.com's Boston board that > Eddie Andleman appeared on one of their local talk shows. Wow...they still have a listener! s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 19 18:14:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:14:19 -0400 Subject: Eddie Andleman On WWZN? In-Reply-To: <47E18A2B.7080004@fybush.com> References: <20080319212323.D52631158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <47E18A2B.7080004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803191514j5eb7bbbbvc200bb4111d57621@mail.gmail.com> most likely on a Verizon land line in Belmont :) On 3/19/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Laurence Glavin wrote: > > The listener to WWZN-AM 1510 reports on radio-info.com's Boston board > that > > Eddie Andleman appeared on one of their local talk shows. > > Wow...they still have a listener! > > s > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 19 19:14:47 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:14:47 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> Staffers in CT and Miami were told this afternoon about NBC's plans to sell the two stations, according to a story at TVSpy.com. NBC is waiting to gauge the market first before setting prices. NBC 30's new all-digital building is set to be finished early next year. Story and drawing at http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/news1413.html From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Mar 19 20:04:24 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:04:24 -0400 Subject: WILD back to classic soul? In-Reply-To: <18401.33375.873118.415014@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <02d901c88a1d$f52cd5a0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > > Did WILD drop the black talk radio network (Syndication One)? They > > are now (5 pm) running classic soul and identifying as "Classic Soul > > for Boston, Radio One's WILD 1090". > > Some time ago -- it was certainly doing that in early February. The classic soul seems to only be on after 4 PM, and on weekends. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 19 20:22:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:22:10 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> Channel 30 staffers should talk to WJAR folks that have not been happy since NBC sold 10 to Tampa Tribune folks. I wonder if Sunbeam may be ready to cash out selling Miami to FOX and Boston to NBC? Ed is getting older. On 3/19/08, Bill Dillane wrote: > Staffers in CT and Miami were told this afternoon about NBC's plans to sell > the two stations, according to a story at TVSpy.com. NBC is waiting to > gauge the market first before setting prices. > > NBC 30's new all-digital building is set to be finished early next year. > Story and drawing at http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/news1413.html > > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 20 01:05:47 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:05:47 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 8:22 PM -0400 3/19/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >I wonder if Sunbeam may be ready to cash out selling Miami to FOX and >Boston to NBC? Don't even think that! All the NBC O&O's in the east (even as far west as Chicago) have their master control run remotely from NY, which would result in layoffs here, including possibly me. -- Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 07:45:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:45:24 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> I am amazed that Sunbeam does not run master control out of WSVN for the Boston operation knowing their 'love' of unions. WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. On 3/20/08, Larry Weil wrote: > At 8:22 PM -0400 3/19/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > >I wonder if Sunbeam may be ready to cash out selling Miami to FOX and > >Boston to NBC? > > Don't even think that! All the NBC O&O's in the east (even as far > west as Chicago) have their master control run remotely from NY, > which would result in layoffs here, including possibly me. > > -- > Larry Weil > WHDH/WLVI Master Control > Lake Wobegone, NH > From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 20 09:41:41 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:41:41 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 > PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. > That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, MSNBC seems to be the fallback option. --rc From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 20 11:01:13 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:01:13 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 >> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >> > > That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's > evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At > 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, > MSNBC seems to be the fallback option. It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." But it's better than going to black, I guess. And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that knocked out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. s From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 11:24:51 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:24:51 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> Message-ID: <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Richard Chonak wrote: >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >>> >> >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, MSNBC >> seems to be the fallback option. > > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." > > But it's better than going to black, I guess. > > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that knocked > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. > > s From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 20 13:08:51 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:08:51 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002201c88aad$12b164d0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM > To: Richard Chonak > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago > that knocked out a newscast. As complex as today's TV > stations are, it can happen whether MCR is local or a > thousand miles away. The meltdown was in studio control, not in master control. They later found the remains of a beverage spilled in the studio switcher. To this day if whoever had that beverage in there and spilled it is found out, there will be consequences for that person. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 20 13:02:52 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:02:52 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <002101c88aac$4122d930$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Richard Chonak > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:42 AM > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back > during the 10 > > PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. > > > > That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's > evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate > shows. At > 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, > MSNBC seems to be the fallback option. WMAQ is an O&O, not an affiliate. And we are talking about 10 PM Central Time. And the change of the Keith Olberman repeat from midnight to 10 PM (Eastern) just happened last week. But you are correct, here at WHDH the fallback is MSNBC. Fortunately, I was on vacation the last time it was used, though I found out about it from some ham operators in Ottawa, where I was at the time. News of such things spreads fast. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 13:08:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:08:15 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201008o6cf5c4aboe08794033fa29737@mail.gmail.com> NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON and bought a station in San Jose. Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for Channel 11 in San Jose? Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting paid and then they sold it. Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered from it. On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: > I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for > WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good > strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I > correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Fybush" > To: "Richard Chonak" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > > > Richard Chonak wrote: > >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >>> > >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 > >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. > >>> > >> > >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's > >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At > >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, MSNBC > >> seems to be the fallback option. > > > > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM > > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - > > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." > > > > But it's better than going to black, I guess. > > > > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that knocked > > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen > > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. > > > > s > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 13:08:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:08:15 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201008o6cf5c4aboe08794033fa29737@mail.gmail.com> NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON and bought a station in San Jose. Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for Channel 11 in San Jose? Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting paid and then they sold it. Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered from it. On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: > I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for > WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good > strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I > correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Fybush" > To: "Richard Chonak" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > > > Richard Chonak wrote: > >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >>> > >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 > >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. > >>> > >> > >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's > >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At > >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, MSNBC > >> seems to be the fallback option. > > > > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM > > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - > > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." > > > > But it's better than going to black, I guess. > > > > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that knocked > > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen > > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. > > > > s > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 20 13:13:19 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:13:19 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47E29B2F.7050006@gabrielmass.com> On 03/20/2008 11:01 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >>> > [...] this was 10 PM central, 11 PM eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." > > But it's better than going to black, I guess. > Man! Re-running their own 6 pm news would be better than some MSNBC crime show. --rc From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 14:26:12 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I highly doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR right now. BTW WMUR-DT is on several Comcast systems in the Boston area (I have it in Framingham.) Sunbeam bought WLVI in large part to prevent a repeat of San Jose from happening here. With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox and CBS respectively, that takes out the Boston full-power UHF stations out of the mix should NBC want to go that route. I would highly doubt they would want to be on WZMY or WMFP - not readily recongnizable stations even though they're both carried on Boston cable systems. Re-educating the public to where you are is no fun, and perception based on dial position (even in these digital times) is everything. Check out Detroit and the move of CBS from channel 2 to channel 62. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Doug Drown Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:08:15 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON and bought a station in San Jose. Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for Channel 11 in San Jose? Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting paid and then they sold it. Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered from it. On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: > I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for > WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good > strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I > correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Fybush" > To: "Richard Chonak" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > > > Richard Chonak wrote: > >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >>> > >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the 10 > >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. > >>> > >> > >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's > >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At > >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, MSNBC > >> seems to be the fallback option. > > > > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM > > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - > > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." > > > > But it's better than going to black, I guess. > > > > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that knocked > > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen > > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. > > > > s > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 14:39:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:39:08 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <06f201c88a9e$8b764930$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201139q75ce4d26vafe01d0efea0a9e5@mail.gmail.com> I remember an infamous night at Channel 9 some 40 years ago. The news anchor cooked up the perfect cover to cheat on his wife as he taped the 11 PM news. Only problem was video refused to track properly and thus audio was heard over a slide of the newsman. The station GM went looking for the newsman with a gun. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 14:01:03 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:01:03 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net><4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com><47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <002201c88aad$12b164d0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <019101c88ab4$60e1b450$6501a8c0@s20208> > To this day if > whoever had that beverage in there and spilled it is found out, there will > be consequences for that person. Such as....? ;-) From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 20 15:00:12 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:00:12 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18402.46140.815438.350533@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox and CBS respectively, that > takes out the Boston full-power UHF stations out of the mix should > NBC want to go that route. I would highly doubt they would want to > be on WZMY or WMFP - not readily recongnizable stations even though > they're both carried on Boston cable systems. Of course, NBCU already owns channel 60, so it's not like they would have to buy another station if they really wanted to go that route. I agree that they wouldn't want to do so. (Not even if 46 came along with!) -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 20 15:02:53 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:02:53 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E29B2F.7050006@gabrielmass.com> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <47E29B2F.7050006@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47E2B4DD.7010303@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > > [...] this was 10 PM central, 11 PM eastern, which meant they went > to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc Block" - reruns of "To Catch a > Predator" and "Lockup. One hour of witnessing the slow death of a cable news channel? Good stuff. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 15:23:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:23:01 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> Scott may have more info on this in his files. Back in the mid 60's WMUR tried to move the transmitter to Georgetown, MA with the idea of being a Boston indy. They filed papers with the FCC that tried to show Nashua and Manchester would actually get a better signal. WMUR was in pre-cable days almost unwatchable in Manchester as everybody had their antennas pointed towards Newton-Needham and the channel 9 tramsmitter was due west of the city in Goffstown. For years WMUR had a translator on channel 13 in downtown Manchester because of the problem. Richard Eaton who owned channel 9 then started a cable company in Manchester - United Cable. From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 15:45:27 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:45:27 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071a01c88ac2$f334ee40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I also doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR; the company has intentionally built something of a regional "network" (I use that term loosely) with WCVB as the hub of the wheel, so to speak, and WMUR, WMTW, and WNNE/WPTZ as the spokes. While I don't know the numbers, I would also bed WMUR is highly lucrative for the company. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >I highly doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR right now. BTW WMUR-DT is on >several Comcast systems in the Boston area (I have it in Framingham.) >Sunbeam bought WLVI in large part to prevent a repeat of San Jose from >happening here. With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox and CBS respectively, >that takes out the Boston full-power UHF stations out of the mix should NBC >want to go that route. I would highly doubt they would want to be on WZMY >or WMFP - not readily recongnizable stations even though they're both >carried on Boston cable systems. Re-educating the public to where you are >is no fun, and perception based on dial position (even in these digital >times) is everything. Check out Detroit and the move of CBS from channel 2 >to channel 62. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Doug Drown > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:08:15 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON > and bought a station in San Jose. > > Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say > WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or > would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for > Channel 11 in San Jose? > > Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not > want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose > station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting > paid and then they sold it. > > Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered > from it. > > On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: >> I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for >> WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good >> strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I >> correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? >> >> -Doug >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Fybush" >> To: "Richard Chonak" >> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >> >> >> > Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> >> >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the >> >>> 10 >> >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >> >>> >> >> >> >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's >> >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At >> >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, >> >> MSNBC >> >> seems to be the fallback option. >> > >> > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM >> > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc >> > Block" - >> > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." >> > >> > But it's better than going to black, I guess. >> > >> > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that >> > knocked >> > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen >> > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. >> > >> > s >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 20 16:14:11 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:14:11 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> I think it was earlier than the mid 60s; I think it was in the '50s, but I could be wrong. At the time, the station was owned by radio pioneer George B Storer, who, IIRC, bought it expressly because of the possibility of moving it into the Boston market. I forget why the move fell apart; seems to me it was not because it wouldn't work technically or because of NIMBY problems with constructing a very tall tower in what I believe to be an upscale North Shore community, but rather because it would have deprived NH of its only commercial VHF allocation. I don't think Channel 11 had yet been allocated to Durham and it isn't a commercial allocation anyhow. Channel 8 transmitted from NH but was licensed to Maine. I don't know if Storer tried to placate the Granite State by proposing to keep the Studios in Manchester, but I believe that the NH Congressional delegation brought plenty of pressure on the FCC to reject the application. I don't recall whether a CP was ever granted, but, IIRC, when Storer realized he wasn't going to be able to make the move (or at least that getting authorization was going to take many years and many millions), he gave up and sold the station. Somebody will post the identity of the buyer; I don't recall. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Scott may have more info on this in his files. > > Back in the mid 60's WMUR tried to move the transmitter to > Georgetown, > MA with the idea of being a Boston indy. They filed papers with the > FCC that tried to show Nashua and Manchester would actually get a > better signal. > > WMUR was in pre-cable days almost unwatchable in Manchester as > everybody had their antennas pointed towards Newton-Needham and the > channel 9 tramsmitter was due west of the city in Goffstown. > > For years WMUR had a translator on channel 13 in downtown Manchester > because of the problem. > > Richard Eaton who owned channel 9 then started a cable company in > Manchester - United Cable. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 20 17:08:41 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:08:41 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> Eaton also owned 1410 in Hartford and, IIRC, 1380 in NYC (or maybe it was WPOW 1330 in NYC, which, back then, shared time with WEVD 1330 NYC and WHAZ 1330 Troy). I recall that he also bought WHAZ from my alma mater, RPI, with the idea of getting its nine-hours per week (6:00PM Mondays until 3:00AM Tuesdays) for WPOW. He turned WHAZ into a daytimer and WPOW began using WHAZ's share-time allocation. But WEVD protested and WPOW wound up getting only 5:00PM to 8:00PM, which had been its Tuesday-Friday schedule (in addition to 3:00AM to 8:00AM). WEVD lost 5:00PM to 6:00PM Mondays, but got 8:00PM Mondays through 3:00AM Tuesdays. WPOW was purchased by religious broadcaster Salem Communications, which changed the calls to WNYM and eventually also acquired the hours that WEVD had been running so WNYM could become a full-timer. (WEVD already owned 97.9FM, to which it moved in its entirety.) Then Salem sold WNYM so it could acquire WMCA (this was before duopolies were allowed). I'm not sure whether the buyer was or wasn't Spanish religious broadcaster RadioVision Christiana, the present owner of the current occupant of 1330 in NYC, WWRV. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Dan you are correct about Storer as once you said it the memory came > back. The only reason I remember this was an old news article was on > the bulletin board at WMUR. > > Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to > put it midly. > > He also owned channel 14 in DC (WOOK) and one other station in El > Centro, CA. > > I seem to recall the license for WOOK was revoked by the FCC but I > can't remember why. From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 17:06:23 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:06:23 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <073f01c88ace$41924460$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Wasn't it Storer who later bought Channel 38 from the Archdiocese of Boston and turned it into a major indie? Sounds like that was "Plan B," and it certainly worked. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >I think it was earlier than the mid 60s; I think it was in the '50s, > but I could be wrong. At the time, the station was owned by radio > pioneer George B Storer, who, IIRC, bought it expressly because of the > possibility of moving it into the Boston market. I forget why the move > fell apart; seems to me it was not because it wouldn't work > technically or because of NIMBY problems with constructing a very tall > tower in what I believe to be an upscale North Shore community, but > rather because it would have deprived NH of its only commercial VHF > allocation. I don't think Channel 11 had yet been allocated to Durham > and it isn't a commercial allocation anyhow. Channel 8 transmitted > from NH but was licensed to Maine. I don't know if Storer tried to > placate the Granite State by proposing to keep the Studios in > Manchester, but I believe that the NH Congressional delegation brought > plenty of pressure on the FCC to reject the application. I don't > recall whether a CP was ever granted, but, IIRC, when Storer realized > he wasn't going to be able to make the move (or at least that getting > authorization was going to take many years and many millions), he gave > up and sold the station. Somebody will post the identity of the buyer; > I don't recall. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Scott Fybush" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > >> Scott may have more info on this in his files. >> >> Back in the mid 60's WMUR tried to move the transmitter to >> Georgetown, >> MA with the idea of being a Boston indy. They filed papers with the >> FCC that tried to show Nashua and Manchester would actually get a >> better signal. >> >> WMUR was in pre-cable days almost unwatchable in Manchester as >> everybody had their antennas pointed towards Newton-Needham and the >> channel 9 tramsmitter was due west of the city in Goffstown. >> >> For years WMUR had a translator on channel 13 in downtown Manchester >> because of the problem. >> >> Richard Eaton who owned channel 9 then started a cable company in >> Manchester - United Cable. > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 17:29:38 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Forwarding because I forgot to put the group on my last reply! As for "Chronicle" perhaps H-A doesn't think they have sufficient staff and/or viewership in Maine. The WMUR version is completely different from the Boston original. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: Maureen Carney Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:22:32 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs You've brought up a good point. And it brings to mind a question (Anybody out there work for WCVB?) --- Why don't the other Hearst-Argyle New England stations carry "Chronicle"? I've missed the show ever since I moved to Maine, and now that H-A owns WMTW, I can't for the life of me fathom why they don't broadcast it. Good Lord, it's won Peabodys and Emmys. You'd think H-A would want to promote its own work . . . especially since they own stations that cover almost the whole region. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Carney To: Doug Drown Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Especially every 4 years! H-A would want to keep WCVB/WMUR/WMTW because in addition to being ABC affiliates they mostly carry the same syndicated programming as well. It's easier and cheaper to do business that way. ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: Maureen Carney ; Kevin Vahey ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:45:27 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs I also doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR; the company has intentionally built something of a regional "network" (I use that term loosely) with WCVB as the hub of the wheel, so to speak, and WMUR, WMTW, and WNNE/WPTZ as the spokes. While I don't know the numbers, I would also bed WMUR is highly lucrative for the company. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >I highly doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR right now. BTW WMUR-DT is on >several Comcast systems in the Boston area (I have it in Framingham.) >Sunbeam bought WLVI in large part to prevent a repeat of San Jose from >happening here. With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox and CBS respectively, >that takes out the Boston full-power UHF stations out of the mix should NBC >want to go that route. I would highly doubt they would want to be on WZMY >or WMFP - not readily recongnizable stations even though they're both >carried on Boston cable systems. Re-educating the public to where you are >is no fun, and perception based on dial position (even in these digital >times) is everything. Check out Detroit and the move of CBS from channel 2 >to channel 62. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Doug Drown > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:08:15 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON > and bought a station in San Jose. > > Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say > WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or > would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for > Channel 11 in San Jose? > > Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not > want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose > station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting > paid and then they sold it. > > Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered > from it. > > On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: >> I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for >> WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good >> strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I >> correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? >> >> -Doug >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Fybush" >> To: "Richard Chonak" >> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >> >> >> > Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> >> >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the >> >>> 10 >> >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >> >>> >> >> >> >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's >> >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At >> >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, >> >> MSNBC >> >> seems to be the fallback option. >> > >> > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM >> > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc >> > Block" - >> > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." >> > >> > But it's better than going to black, I guess. >> > >> > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that >> > knocked >> > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen >> > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. >> > >> > s >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 17:40:51 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:40:51 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to put it >mildly. Oh, boy, do I remember those days from when I was a kid. Aside from "Uncle Gus," which had a sort of quaint small-city charm to it, WMUR's local programming was, shall we say, bottom of the barrel. Given that most southern NH residents could pick up Boston TV with their roof antennas, I used to wonder how much of an embarrassment they used to consider the station to be, given that it was the only one in the state. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Eaton also owned 1410 in Hartford and, IIRC, 1380 in NYC (or maybe it > was WPOW 1330 in NYC, which, back then, shared time with WEVD 1330 NYC > and WHAZ 1330 Troy). I recall that he also bought WHAZ from my alma > mater, RPI, with the idea of getting its nine-hours per week (6:00PM > Mondays until 3:00AM Tuesdays) for WPOW. He turned WHAZ into a > daytimer and WPOW began using WHAZ's share-time allocation. But WEVD > protested and WPOW wound up getting only 5:00PM to 8:00PM, which had > been its Tuesday-Friday schedule (in addition to 3:00AM to 8:00AM). > WEVD lost 5:00PM to 6:00PM Mondays, but got 8:00PM Mondays through > 3:00AM Tuesdays. WPOW was purchased by religious broadcaster Salem > Communications, which changed the calls to WNYM and eventually also > acquired the hours that WEVD had been running so WNYM could become a > full-timer. (WEVD already owned 97.9FM, to which it moved in its > entirety.) Then Salem sold WNYM so it could acquire WMCA (this was > before duopolies were allowed). I'm not sure whether the buyer was or > wasn't Spanish religious broadcaster RadioVision Christiana, the > present owner of the current occupant of 1330 in NYC, WWRV. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Scott Fybush" > ; "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > >> Dan you are correct about Storer as once you said it the memory came >> back. The only reason I remember this was an old news article was on >> the bulletin board at WMUR. >> >> Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to >> put it midly. >> >> He also owned channel 14 in DC (WOOK) and one other station in El >> Centro, CA. >> >> I seem to recall the license for WOOK was revoked by the FCC but I >> can't remember why. > From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 17:48:00 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <075d01c88ad4$11af4c60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I didn't know there was a separate version on WMUR. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Fw: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Forwarding because I forgot to put the group on my last reply! > > As for "Chronicle" perhaps H-A doesn't think they have sufficient staff > and/or viewership in Maine. The WMUR version is completely different from > the Boston original. > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Doug Drown > To: Maureen Carney > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:22:32 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > > You've brought up a good point. And it brings to mind a question (Anybody > out there work for WCVB?) --- Why don't the other Hearst-Argyle New > England stations carry "Chronicle"? I've missed the show ever since I > moved to Maine, and now that H-A owns WMTW, I can't for the life of me > fathom why they don't broadcast it. Good Lord, it's won Peabodys and > Emmys. You'd think H-A would want to promote its own work . . . > especially since they own stations that cover almost the whole region. > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Maureen Carney > To: Doug Drown > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > > Especially every 4 years! H-A would want to keep WCVB/WMUR/WMTW because in > addition to being ABC affiliates they mostly carry the same syndicated > programming as well. It's easier and cheaper to do business that way. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Doug Drown > To: Maureen Carney ; Kevin Vahey ; > Boston Radio Group > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:45:27 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > I also doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR; the company has intentionally > built something of a regional "network" (I use that term loosely) with > WCVB > as the hub of the wheel, so to speak, and WMUR, WMTW, and WNNE/WPTZ as the > spokes. > > While I don't know the numbers, I would also bed WMUR is highly lucrative > for the company. -Doug > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Carney" > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > >>I highly doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR right now. BTW WMUR-DT is on >>several Comcast systems in the Boston area (I have it in Framingham.) >>Sunbeam bought WLVI in large part to prevent a repeat of San Jose from >>happening here. With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox and CBS >>respectively, >>that takes out the Boston full-power UHF stations out of the mix should >>NBC >>want to go that route. I would highly doubt they would want to be on WZMY >>or WMFP - not readily recongnizable stations even though they're both >>carried on Boston cable systems. Re-educating the public to where you are >>is no fun, and perception based on dial position (even in these digital >>times) is everything. Check out Detroit and the move of CBS from channel 2 >>to channel 62. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Kevin Vahey >> To: Doug Drown >> Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:08:15 PM >> Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >> >> NBC played hardball in San Francisco when they pulled NBC from KRON >> and bought a station in San Jose. >> >> Just wondering. Suppose NBC tried the same move here by buying say >> WMUR. Since Manchester is considered part of the Boston DMA could or >> would cable companies in Boston then pick it up like they did for >> Channel 11 in San Jose? >> >> Part of the reason NBC bought the San Jose station was they did not >> want a repeat of the deal they gave WHDH. At first the San Jose >> station said they would pay for the right to carry NBC than getting >> paid and then they sold it. >> >> Losing NBC just destroyed KRON and Young Broadcasting has not recovered >> from it. >> >> On 3/20/08, Doug Drown wrote: >>> I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if NBC were to make a grab for >>> WHDH. If they want to focus on the top markets, it would be a good >>> strategic move, I should think. NBC wanted Channel 7 years ago. Am I >>> correct in thinking that it's the network's largest non-O&O market? >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Fybush" >>> To: "Richard Chonak" >>> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >>> >>> >>> > Richard Chonak wrote: >>> >> On 03/20/2008 07:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> WMAQ had a spectacular on air meltdown a few nonths back during the >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> PM news causing them to go to MSNBC for the news. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> That's not an ideal replacement for a straight newscast, as MSNBC's >>> >> evening schedule consists of opinion, analysis, and debate shows. At >>> >> 10pm, they have Keith Olbermann's show. But for an NBC affiliate, >>> >> MSNBC >>> >> seems to be the fallback option. >>> > >>> > It was slightly worse than that, even - this was 10 PM central, 11 PM >>> > eastern, which meant they went to MSNBC in the midst of the "Doc >>> > Block" - >>> > reruns of "To Catch a Predator" and "Lockup." >>> > >>> > But it's better than going to black, I guess. >>> > >>> > And in fairness, WHDH had a meltdown of its own not long ago that >>> > knocked >>> > out a newscast. As complex as today's TV stations are, it can happen >>> > whether MCR is local or a thousand miles away. >>> > >>> > s >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 20 17:46:39 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:46:39 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c88ad3$e3f86ae0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Maureen Carney > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:30 PM > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Fw: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > Forwarding because I forgot to put the group on my last reply! > > As for "Chronicle" perhaps H-A doesn't think they have > sufficient staff and/or viewership in Maine. The WMUR version > is completely different from the Boston original. > Last time I was aware, WMTW was broadcasting "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy" in the 7 to 8 PM hour. That may be too lucrative for them to give it up. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 20 18:52:17 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:52:17 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002c01c88ad3$e3f86ae0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <077a01c88add$0cffdf00$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >Last time I was aware, WMTW was broadcasting "Wheel of Fortune" and >"Jeopardy" in the 7 to 8 PM hour. That may be too lucrative for them to give it up. They're still being broadcast at that hour, after at least twenty years. And I suspect you're right: they're too lucrative to surrender. I underwent training in hospital chaplaincy back in the mid-'80s, and frequently spent evenings going from room to room. I quickly learned that it was pointless to try to make visits to most elderly patients between 7 and 8 --- they did NOT want to talk during "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy." I'm sure advertisers count on that loyalty. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: RE: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] >> On Behalf Of Maureen Carney >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:30 PM >> To: Boston Radio Group >> Subject: Fw: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >> >> Forwarding because I forgot to put the group on my last reply! >> >> As for "Chronicle" perhaps H-A doesn't think they have >> sufficient staff and/or viewership in Maine. The WMUR version >> is completely different from the Boston original. >> > > Last time I was aware, WMTW was broadcasting "Wheel of Fortune" and > "Jeopardy" in the 7 to 8 PM hour. That may be too lucrative for them to > give it up. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 19:20:47 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:20:47 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <000d01c88ae1$17487b80$45d97280$@net> I wonder if Hearst Argyle or Sunbeam would want to expand in New England by buying NBC 30. Hearst owns an NBC affil in Central PA. This will be the second time NBC sells its CT station. The company owned the station for a short time in the 50s. Never heard of a company buying and selling a station twice. I believe Tribune's continued TV ownership in Hartford is questionable, pending the outcome of proposed new ownership rules. Tribune owns Fox and CW affiliated stations and the Hartford Courant. This market situation was created earlier this decade when The Hartford Courant's parent, Times-Mirror, merged with Tribune. From sid@wrko.com Thu Mar 20 19:39:19 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:39:19 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044>, <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to put it mildly.<< When I first went to work for WGIR back in the late 1970s I was told that Eaton would not spring for a proper color transmitting setup. The reason their color pictures were so awful was that he was sending a color signal through an exciter designed for monochrome. Almost the instant Eaton sold the station, the new owners installed the proper equipment and their picture finally looked right. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 20 20:25:09 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:25:09 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <000d01c88ae1$17487b80$45d97280$@net> Message-ID: <001601c88aea$07543a80$faeda644@SatU205S5044> No idea how common it is in TV. In radio, buying the same station multiple times seems quite common. In fact it would be interesting to try to figure out which station holds the record for having been bought multiple times by the same buyer and how many times that buyer acquired it. I would be surprised if three purchases of one station by the same buyer were the record. I suspect the record is at least four purchases and I would not be surprised if it were five. What would be still more interesting would be to discover that some staff member stayed with the station through all of those sales and repurchases. Getting him or her to reminisce about having his/her employer sold out from under him/her and a few years later discovering that s/he would once again be working for the former owner ought to make for a fascinating interview. In fact, it sounds like the stuff of which old TV comedy series were made. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dillane" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > This will be the second time NBC sells its CT station. The company > owned > the station for a short time in the 50s. Never heard of a company > buying > and selling a station twice. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 20 20:33:54 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:54 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c88aeb$409dcc10$faeda644@SatU205S5044> I remember an ad for WOOK in Broadcasting Magazine circa 1950. (In those days, stations advertised in Broadcasting in the hope that their ads would bring in business.) WOOK, a 250W graveyarder, was one of a few stations in the DC market that targeted the African-American community, which was large even then. The copy read "Look to WOOK for the best in entertainment and everything will be double OK." Talk about small time... ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Dan you are correct about Storer as once you said it the memory came > back. The only reason I remember this was an old news article was on > the bulletin board at WMUR. > > Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to > put it midly. > > He also owned channel 14 in DC (WOOK) and one other station in El > Centro, CA. > > I seem to recall the license for WOOK was revoked by the FCC but I > can't remember why. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 20:54:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:54:49 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> To be fair it wasn't Eaton so much as the GM Sam Phillips. The station was fortunate to have tech gurus like Pete Fasciano and Tom Sprague around who could do magic. Tom pretty much invented a time base correcter for the old Ampex VTR that would allow it to run color. When they finally were ordered by ABC to get color in the studio they found a company IVC that had a camera that was impossible to balance. We fed a Wide World of Sports out of there around 1970 and the ABC guys were in shock at how primitive we were. They actually gave us a new switcher as they felt sorry for us. Jim McKay was doing his voice overs in Gus' announcing booth and actually had to do our ID. I was told once that the reason local news was never seriously covered was that if we became a factor the Union Leader would forbid advertisers to be on our news. I remember one night ABC called looking for footage of a plane crash and we never knew there had been one. On 3/20/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to put > it mildly.<< > > When I first went to work for WGIR back in the late 1970s I was told that > Eaton would not spring for a proper color transmitting setup. The reason > their color pictures were so awful was that he was sending a color signal > through an exciter designed for monochrome. Almost the instant Eaton sold > the station, the new owners installed the proper equipment and their picture > finally looked right. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > From markwats@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 21:10:52 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:10:52 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com><4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com><001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com><000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044>, <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <008401c88af0$69c82e50$4c5dd962@Mark> Sid Schweiger wrote: When I first went to work for WGIR back in the late 1970s I was told that Eaton would not spring for a proper color transmitting setup. The reason their color pictures were so awful was that he was sending a color signal through an exciter designed for monochrome. Wasn't WMUR one of the last ABC affiliates in the country to go color? I heard a story once, don't know if it's true or false (Kevin Vahey may be able to confirm/deny), but back in the days when WMUR was still all black & white, they had a couple of borrowed color cameras for a telethon or other special event, and while they had them they used them for one "Uncle Gus" hour. For a few years in the early and mid 70's my family spent a week each year vacationing at Newfound Lake in Bristol NH. The only 2 stations we could receive were a snowy WMUR and a less snowy WMTW Channel 8 from Mt. Washington. WMTW had slightly better offerings than WMUR, but WMUR was more fun to watch, not only for "Uncle Gus" but for the low budget news. Loved it when the film would break and fall off the screen during the closing credits of "Timmy & Lassie" while booth anouncer (and the sportscaster on the 11PM news) Doug Edwards told us "the preceding program came to you on film". Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 21:42:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:42:30 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <008b01c88af3$a34281f0$4c5dd962@Mark> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> <008b01c88af3$a34281f0$4c5dd962@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201842k6883b39ejba3f17b846da97ad@mail.gmail.com> It was a ski race on delayed tape. They had a mobile unit in the parking lot but used the studio to insert graphics. McKay's son was helping with the graphics and today he heads CBS sports and news. The main reason they used us was they could tie into long lines from Elm St. One primary they rented the back garage to CBS for Uncle Walter to use and Howard K Smith used the main studio. NBC used a hotel in Bedford. On 3/20/08, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > We fed a Wide World of Sports out of there around 1970 and the ABC > > guys were in shock at how primitive we were. They actually gave us a > > new switcher as they felt sorry for us. > > > > Jim McKay was doing his voice overs in Gus' announcing booth and > > actually had to do our ID. > > Wow!! I didn't know that ABC ever fed anything out of WMUR back in the > United era. It was nice on ABC's part to give the station a switcher. Did > Jim McKay read the evening's program lineup along with the ID? That was a > very common practice to fill time when there were no commercials. > > > I was told once that the reason local news was never seriously covered > > was that if we became a factor the Union Leader would forbid > > advertisers to be on our news. I remember one night ABC called looking > > for footage of a plane crash and we never knew there had been one. > > And since at that time the Union Leader had a fair amount of clout in NH > presidential politics, plus the sad state of the equipment and the studio at > 1819 Elm St. those factors certainly hampered 9's news operation. Now WMUR > co-sponsors presidential debates with CNN, and no doubt the Union Leader's > clout has diminished. > > Mark Watson > > From markwats@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 21:33:58 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:33:58 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com><4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com><001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com><000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044><075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008b01c88af3$a34281f0$4c5dd962@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > We fed a Wide World of Sports out of there around 1970 and the ABC > guys were in shock at how primitive we were. They actually gave us a > new switcher as they felt sorry for us. > > Jim McKay was doing his voice overs in Gus' announcing booth and > actually had to do our ID. Wow!! I didn't know that ABC ever fed anything out of WMUR back in the United era. It was nice on ABC's part to give the station a switcher. Did Jim McKay read the evening's program lineup along with the ID? That was a very common practice to fill time when there were no commercials. > I was told once that the reason local news was never seriously covered > was that if we became a factor the Union Leader would forbid > advertisers to be on our news. I remember one night ABC called looking > for footage of a plane crash and we never knew there had been one. And since at that time the Union Leader had a fair amount of clout in NH presidential politics, plus the sad state of the equipment and the studio at 1819 Elm St. those factors certainly hampered 9's news operation. Now WMUR co-sponsors presidential debates with CNN, and no doubt the Union Leader's clout has diminished. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 23:07:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:07:21 -0500 Subject: NECN has become NESN backup channel Message-ID: <4fc429770803202007ub69af80h93519f4789414b00@mail.gmail.com> It appears that NESN is now using NECN as the channel for overflow sporting events. The Hockey East championship will be on NECN Saturday night. In the past NESN has used CN8 and other LO channels. This of course will be worth watching come April as the Bruins should be in the playoffs and will go head to head with some baseball team. http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/programming/nesn_plus/ From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 23:10:13 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:10:13 -0500 Subject: Ordway family update Message-ID: <4fc429770803202010g1b4de237t9bc61e6a0b7ec33@mail.gmail.com> The Herald talked to Glenn Ordway who gives an update on the health of his new daughter and wife. Things are much better. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1081573&srvc=home&position=1 From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 23:13:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:13:54 -0500 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <002201c88aad$12b164d0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <01c601c88a17$12e4e210$38aea630$@net> <4fc429770803191722s2aa043an89b0bc4834ca77d@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803200445x1ac7339fl2718ea355ff69d50@mail.gmail.com> <47E26995.6040608@gabrielmass.com> <47E27C39.9020006@fybush.com> <002201c88aad$12b164d0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <4fc429770803202013w5077de18vbc4a3b9b77826ab5@mail.gmail.com> Must admit it was a doozy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXMLkk4_FlE On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > > > > The meltdown was in studio control, not in master control. They later found > the remains of a beverage spilled in the studio switcher. To this day if > whoever had that beverage in there and spilled it is found out, there will > be consequences for that person. > > > > > > Larry Weil > WHDH/WLVI Master Control > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 23:23:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:23:14 -0500 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803201842k6883b39ejba3f17b846da97ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> <008b01c88af3$a34281f0$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803201842k6883b39ejba3f17b846da97ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803202023v3582a7e2s47a574aa315bc6c1@mail.gmail.com> How bad were the color cameras that WMUR bought from IVC? Very few clips exist of Uncle Gus and this one didn't even have Gus. Steve Thomas was filling in. Steve was the first Ronald McDonald in New England and still does magic today http://www.stevethomasmagic.com/aboutsteve.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2Qc5ZDUMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-N1Qs9ujc From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 23:59:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:59:46 -0500 Subject: Ordway family update In-Reply-To: <20080321035702.EFF311E0306@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803202010g1b4de237t9bc61e6a0b7ec33@mail.gmail.com> <20080321035702.EFF311E0306@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803202059y5ac79c60j84c98ffe362bde5c@mail.gmail.com> Dale is going to do a few Sox games this year when Dave O'Brien is not available. ( most likely home games ) John Rish will also do some games. Obie is still doing Monday Night Baseball for ESPN On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 11:10 PM 3/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >The Herald talked to Glenn Ordway who gives an update on the health of his > >new daughter and wife. Things are much better. > > He was also on the air live Wednesday afternoon, after the Red Sox > game (hey why was Dale Arnold doing play by play with Joe > Castiglione? I thought Dale was a hockey guy). Glenn talked for > about an hour regarding his family and what they went > through. Sounds like things are slowly getting better for him, and > that's a good thing to hear about! > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Mar 20 23:57:55 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:57:55 -0400 Subject: Ordway family update In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803202010g1b4de237t9bc61e6a0b7ec33@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770803202010g1b4de237t9bc61e6a0b7ec33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080321035702.EFF311E0306@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 11:10 PM 3/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The Herald talked to Glenn Ordway who gives an update on the health of his >new daughter and wife. Things are much better. He was also on the air live Wednesday afternoon, after the Red Sox game (hey why was Dale Arnold doing play by play with Joe Castiglione? I thought Dale was a hockey guy). Glenn talked for about an hour regarding his family and what they went through. Sounds like things are slowly getting better for him, and that's a good thing to hear about! From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 23:45:10 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803202013w5077de18vbc4a3b9b77826ab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <717123.55667.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Must admit it was a doozy > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXMLkk4_FlE Well at least there was breaking news on MSNBC (The Ramsey case) on that night....and not the cell block docs! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 01:28:48 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:28:48 -0400 Subject: Chronicle References: <203424.36035.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <075d01c88ad4$11af4c60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <00a001c88b14$d5ff1510$6501a8c0@s20208> >I didn't know there was a separate version on WMUR. Ah, yes...the WMUR version is called NEW HAMPSHIRE Chronicle. From dave@skywaves.net Thu Mar 20 21:37:52 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:37:52 -0400 Subject: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) References: <6164291.2691205632648346.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net><4fc429770803151918s5eabee3me4af13968c2b2157@mail.gmail.com><001101c88775$c981ceb0$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.28111.963700.316898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><000801c887a2$aac24810$20eda644@SatU205S5044><000c01c887cc$45880780$346ba8c0@skywaves.net><001101c887d3$6388ad50$20eda644@SatU205S5044><18397.58100.18292.236813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <003701c888a0$0e80dc10$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <000501c888e8$5222ed30$49f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <001601c88af4$2e5a1cd0$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Hi Dan- At 155 miles (250km), the departure angle ranges from 25 to 37.5 degrees for 10% skywave calculations. That is right in the area of the vertical null of a tower in the 200-225 degree range. See the AM engineering formulae and charts at http://www.skywaves.com/fcc/47cfr73.190.pdf, and in particular page 7. Compare the 180 degree tower (low vertical radiation and no higher lobe) with the 225 degree tower (still lower vertical radiation, but with a high lobe at about 60 degrees). Then look at the 90 degree tower. The radiation in the 25 to 40 degree range is far higher - about triple at 30 degrees elevation. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Dave Doherty" ; Cc: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Glen Clark" ; ; "Peter Haas" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) > Thanks, Dave! I had not checked CDBS itself for WCBS's aux CP; I was > relying on Bob Carpetner's AMSTNS program, which, before a few > database updates (there is usually an update every week), had shown > the CP. Bob did write to me that the FCC had done something funny with > the database that caused some records to disappear and I suspect that > the very record I wanted was one of those. I should not have assumed > that if AMSTNS did not show a record, neither would the record show up > with the other WCBS records at fcc.gov. That said, neither would > AMSTNS have provided the kind of detail you found in the body of the > application itself. > > I am surprised, however, that at the very high critical angles in > question (WCBS is only 155 airline miles from WAMG), with a > non-top-loaded 300' aux tower (~96 degrees at 880), protection to WAMG > would limit WCBS to so close to half of the power it is allowed from > its 207-degree main tower. I had thought that half power into an > ~60-degree tower produced high-angle radiation equivalent to that from > an ~200-degree tower. In WCBS's case, even the old top-loaded 200' aux > tower must have been equivalent to quite a bit more than 60 degrees. > Remember that the tower also served WFAN, so I suspect that the 200' > tower was top loaded to no less than 72 degrees at 880 in order to > achieve reasonable efficiency at 660, which would require an > electrical height of at least 54 degrees at 660. And as Glen Clark > pointed out yesterday, the base impedance for such a short tower is so > low that, with the combined power that WCBS and WFAN would pump into > it, the design and maintenance of the ground system must have > presented non-trivial problems. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: AM Aux sites / towers (WCBS) > > >> Well, let's check out the actual app. It is available online at >> http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_sear.htm. >> Search for apps for WCBS and select BXP-20020816AAO. >> >> They proposed a new 300' non-top-loaded tower. Presumably, although >> I did not check this out, the 200' tower it replaced was top-loaded, >> or they would not have mentioned this. >> >> There is not a complete ground system for this tower. It was >> proposed to use a square ground mesh bonded to the copper radials of >> the main tower that pass through the area. Although not specifically >> stated, that would go a long way toward explaining the 35kW daytime >> maximum. The AM License app form 302 is still a paper app, so >> nothing is available online that would indicate what the final base >> resistance was. >> >> As for night operations, the two stations studied are a new 870 in >> Reading, PA (still unbuilt, as far as I can tell) and WBPS (now >> WAMG) in Dedham, MA. Both are first adjacents, and in neither case >> does the proposed operating power of 26kW increase the nighttime >> limit. >> >> The main night power limit appears to be Dedham. At 26kW, the >> predicted skywave at Dedham is 0.2373mV/m. The main WCBS facility is >> 0.2374mV/m, and the previous aux was 0.2373mV/m. >> >> According to 73.31, in the range from 10 to 50kW, you must specify >> power to the nearest kW, so there is no option for, say, 26.1kW. >> >> At 27kW, the nighttime skywave would be 0.2373 * (27/26) ^ 0.5 = >> 0.2418mV/m, which would be an increase in nighttime interference at >> Dedham. >> >> So that explains the 26kW night power limitation. >> >> -Dave Doherty >> Skywaves, Inc. >> 97 Webster Street >> Worcester, MA 01603 >> 508-425-7176 >> > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 21:35:05 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:35:05 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <008401c88af0$69c82e50$4c5dd962@Mark> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <008401c88af0$69c82e50$4c5dd962@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201835i5e639914t13c14f599c1bc5ff@mail.gmail.com> We borrowed the WHDH truck for a Jerry Lewis telethon and indeed did an Uncle Gus and the news in color one night. That was actually a Sam Phillips scam. The ad agency for Atlantic Oil was N W Ayer and they were going to pull the Atlantic weather show if we didn't have color so we sent them a color tape. It bought them time. That Atlantic show put more money in Gus' pocket than anything it pretty much doubled his salary. From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 20 15:09:58 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:09:58 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > I highly doubt Hearst-Argyle would sell WMUR right now. BTW WMUR-DT > is on several Comcast systems in the Boston area (I have it in > Framingham.) Sunbeam bought WLVI in large part to prevent a repeat of > San Jose from happening here. With WFXT and WSBK being owned by Fox > and CBS respectively, that takes out the Boston full-power UHF > stations out of the mix should NBC want to go that route. I would > highly doubt they would want to be on WZMY or WMFP - not readily > recongnizable stations even though they're both carried on Boston > cable systems. Re-educating the public to where you are is no fun, > and perception based on dial position (even in these digital times) > is everything. Check out Detroit and the move of CBS from channel 2 > to channel 62. There would be some other issues with a WMUR sale. As New Hampshire's only commercial VHF signal, and the only source of statewide TV news, I'd have to imagine WMUR couldn't be "moved" to Boston without a fight. You'd have politicians getting involved, and that could get ugly. KNTV was an unusual scenario for another reason: it was technically possible (with a bit of stretching) to move the transmitter from Loma Prieta, south of San Jose, to Mount San Bruno, just south of San Francisco. I don't think WMUR could be moved into Boston as easily (but as the DTV allocations table settles down, maybe I'm wrong.) Of course, Hearst-Argyle could sell both WMUR and WCVB to NBC. H-A has a bunch of NBC affiliates in the fold (WBAL in Baltimore, KCRA in Sacramento, WPTZ/WNNE, etc.) - but it has even closer ties to ABC, so that would be an unlikely scenario. s From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 18:11:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:11:49 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201511w5242ff30x86917effbf73a728@mail.gmail.com> How cheap were they? In 1968 on election night the station GM declared Nixon won at 1 AM so he would not have to pay OT. Channel 9 was six hours ahead of the networks. He also would not air Joey Bishop late nights and we ran old reruns of People Are Funny and went off the air at Midnight. Our working VTR was a museum piece in 1968. It was an Ampex 1000 with a serial number of 3. From sid@wrko.com Fri Mar 21 04:42:56 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:42:56 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803201754m15bf8b09y45eaa95a77b14ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8D7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I was told once that the reason local news was never seriously covered was that if we became a factor the Union Leader would forbid advertisers to be on our news.<< There's another piece of history there. One of the original applicants for channel 9 in Manchester was none other than William Loeb. In general, when Loeb didn't get what he wanted, he never forgot or forgave. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 21 05:52:25 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 5:52:25 -0400 Subject: Ordway family update Message-ID: <8359384.130141206093145430.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> ---- Donna Halper wrote: > At 11:10 PM 3/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >The Herald talked to Glenn Ordway who gives an update on the health of his > >new daughter and wife. Things are much better. > > He was also on the air live Wednesday afternoon, after the Red Sox > game (hey why was Dale Arnold doing play by play with Joe > Castiglione? I thought Dale was a hockey guy). Glenn talked for > about an hour regarding his family and what they went > through. Sounds like things are slowly getting better for him, and > that's a good thing to hear about! thoughts and prayers to the Ordway family in that things work out for the best, for sure. Dale is actually doing the Red Sox Japan trip for radio this week. --Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 18:53:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:53:30 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201553m427a596co3c953dbf7e18c2a2@mail.gmail.com> Has H-A been able to make any kind of a dent in the Portland market? I think they moved everything to Portland when they bought WMTW 4 years ago. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 20 16:35:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:35:10 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> Dan you are correct about Storer as once you said it the memory came back. The only reason I remember this was an old news article was on the bulletin board at WMUR. Richard Eaton wound up with the station and he was a frugal owner to put it midly. He also owned channel 14 in DC (WOOK) and one other station in El Centro, CA. I seem to recall the license for WOOK was revoked by the FCC but I can't remember why. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 21 07:06:06 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 7:06:06 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <9971059.133261206097566876.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> ---- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Has H-A been able to make any kind of a dent in the Portland market? > I think they moved everything to Portland when they bought WMTW 4 > years ago. I can't say that the status quo has changed on local TV here with the pecking order pretty much along the lines of WCSH, WGME and WMTW. But it's not for a lack of trying, as the channel 8 crew is full of folks who know their way around a newsroom, including longtime TV vet Dick Gosselin. But Dick has always been adept at many aspects of his craft, especially videography and editing, as well as being very much at ease on camera. He's even talented when it comes to getting the stupid microwave boom to get back into its recessed holder in the mobile news machine when it stubbornly doesn't want to work as promised (he lives next door to me and we've spent an evening or two with flashlights and hammers) WCSH has the advantage of a state-wide presence with the WLBZ operation working in tandem. WGME has the legacy (still extremely surprising how many "viewers" still call them WGAN-TV). and both WGME & WCSH do a 5p-630p evening block, and both produce 10pm newscasts that air on local UHF stations (WPFO and WPXT, respectively). WMTW has Oprah at 4pm, but then most likely looses out to the 5pm news things when they roll out Doctor Phil at 5. - -Chuck Igo From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 21 07:22:33 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:22:33 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <9971059.133261206097566876.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> Message-ID: <07bc01c88b45$dc813a40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Chuck: We don't get the Portland Press Herald up in this neck of the woods, but I am under the impression that WMTW had moved up into second place in the news ratings while WGME had fallen to third. Am I wrong? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > > ---- Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Has H-A been able to make any kind of a dent in the Portland market? >> I think they moved everything to Portland when they bought WMTW 4 >> years ago. > > I can't say that the status quo has changed on local TV here with the > pecking order pretty much along the lines of WCSH, WGME and WMTW. But > it's not for a lack of trying, as the channel 8 crew is full of folks who > know their way around a newsroom, including longtime TV vet Dick Gosselin. > But Dick has always been adept at many aspects of his craft, especially > videography and editing, as well as being very much at ease on camera. > He's even talented when it comes to getting the stupid microwave boom to > get back into its recessed holder in the mobile news machine when it > stubbornly doesn't want to work as promised (he lives next door to me and > we've spent an evening or two with flashlights and hammers) > > WCSH has the advantage of a state-wide presence with the WLBZ operation > working in tandem. WGME has the legacy (still extremely surprising how > many "viewers" still call them WGAN-TV). and both WGME & WCSH do a > 5p-630p evening block, and both produce 10pm newscasts that air on local > UHF stations (WPFO and WPXT, respectively). > > WMTW has Oprah at 4pm, but then most likely looses out to the 5pm news > things when they roll out Doctor Phil at 5. > > - -Chuck Igo From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 21 08:44:02 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 8:44:02 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs Message-ID: <1175632.141931206103442781.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> ---- Doug Drown wrote: > Chuck: We don't get the Portland Press Herald up in this neck of the woods, > but I am under the impression that WMTW had moved up into second place in > the news ratings while WGME had fallen to third. Am I wrong? > > -Doug > Doug - not 100% sure, but from what I recall, WMTW might have nipped WGME in one daypart - but according to Broadcast & Cable (10/01/07) - after the July ratings were tabulated, WCSH was still in first, with WGME having taken one of the rated timeslots (but still #2) and both were followed by WMTW. Now - I haven't seen (or been able to find) any reference to the Fall Sweeps. I have to admit to not being totally enthralled with the progression towards "tabloid" style newscasts on 13 - and channel 8 has some similar folks on staff. 6 is most likely still atop the heap as they've stuck with what got them their - simple, straight-forward news with the same core of anchors (Pat, Cindy, Bruce and Joe). If anyone is privvy to (or knows where to find) the most recent sweeps/ratings rankings, maybe they could share. (sorry if this posts after someone has provided the answer - sometimes live morning radio gets busy) Thanks --Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 08:55:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:55:54 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <1175632.141931206103442781.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> References: <1175632.141931206103442781.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> Message-ID: <4fc429770803210555y59f4a122xea5a82f7d0ce1fac@mail.gmail.com> Chuck Bruce is still doing sports? He has been at 6 forever it seems. 8 was always perceived as a Lewiston station by those in Portland. It is overlooked that Lewiston is the second largest city in Maine not Bangor. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 09:52:51 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would watch WMUR was because they cleared ABC programming that the Boston affiate (either WCVB or WNAC) wouldn't - stuff like "American Bandstand", "Edge of Night" (when it came over to ABC in the late 70s/early 80s) and various sporting events. Since for the most part I watched 9 on a B&W TV in my parent's bedroom the crappy color didn't bother me! ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Mark Watson Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:23:14 PM Subject: Re: WMUR How bad were the color cameras that WMUR bought from IVC? Very few clips exist of Uncle Gus and this one didn't even have Gus. Steve Thomas was filling in. Steve was the first Ronald McDonald in New England and still does magic today http://www.stevethomasmagic.com/aboutsteve.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2Qc5ZDUMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-N1Qs9ujc ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 10:09:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:09:43 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803210709m7751b4e2mdc7622c11af8e5cf@mail.gmail.com> Uncle Gus was a huge money maker for the station and their biggest advertiser was a maker of mobile homes. What they found was many retired folks would watch and adopt the kids as their grandchildren. We must have driven ABC crazy. If we delayed running a network show and since we could not tape it in color they would send us a 16mm print with the commercials spliced in as we did have a color film chain. At one point we had a chief engineer who did not have a first phone as he was Canadian and in those days couldn't apply. On 3/21/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would watch WMUR was because they > cleared ABC programming that the Boston affiate (either WCVB or WNAC) > wouldn't - stuff like "American Bandstand", "Edge of Night" (when it came > over to ABC in the late 70s/early 80s) and various sporting events. Since > for the most part I watched 9 on a B&W TV in my parent's bedroom the crappy > color didn't bother me! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Mark Watson > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:23:14 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > How bad were the color cameras that WMUR bought from IVC? > > Very few clips exist of Uncle Gus and this one didn't even have Gus. > Steve Thomas was filling in. > > Steve was the first Ronald McDonald in New England and still does magic > today > http://www.stevethomasmagic.com/aboutsteve.php > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2Qc5ZDUMQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-N1Qs9ujc > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 21 10:53:57 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:53:57 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs References: <1175632.141931206103442781.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> <4fc429770803210555y59f4a122xea5a82f7d0ce1fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c88b63$6f71c7d0$0201a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > > Bruce is still doing sports? He has been at 6 forever it seems. > > 8 was always perceived as a Lewiston station by those in Portland. It > is overlooked that Lewiston is the second largest city in Maine not > Bangor. Bruce is still there - doing his thing and having fun since 1977. He does a great feature on high school athletes - The Varsity Club. And the other three - Pat Callaghan (with channel 6 since 1979), Cindy Williams (anchor since 1989) and Joe Cupo (also since 1979) are racking up the years-of-service, too. Lewiston has been getting more attention from the other stations, with WGME having a regular presence there nightly. And for a time, WMTW had their broadcast studios right on Congress Street (across from Monument Square) in the heart of Portland, with street-level, window-views for passers-by (and thankfully, in this case, excluding errant minivans - unlike Chicago). Again - I'm not as well versed in our local TV media as I should be, owing to the ongoing battle to sneak in sleep and naps between work and real-life things that seemingly happen "after supper for normal people." I try to catch the news at least once a week on days when I can wrest the remote from the gnarled fingers of any one of my children. --Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 11:06:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:06:28 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <001301c88b63$6f71c7d0$0201a8c0@Family> References: <1175632.141931206103442781.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> <4fc429770803210555y59f4a122xea5a82f7d0ce1fac@mail.gmail.com> <001301c88b63$6f71c7d0$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <4fc429770803210806x4e0177e0geeb24f5dfc56b15d@mail.gmail.com> Bruce is a good guy. I worked with him when Channel 6 had Maine Guides baseball and he was doing play by play. WCSH is like WJAR in Providence as it is just a given that they are the news station of record. From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 21 11:23:58 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:23:58 -0400 Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> I had head that one night during the 1972 Democratic Convention that had sessions going long into the overnight hours, someone at the convention moved to adjourn sometime after 2:00. The WMUR tech on duty quickly signed off the station, but the session and the ABC coverage did not end until much later. BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, and Portland channels 3 and 8. Chart at http://members.aol.com/jeff99500/1947tvalloc.html From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 12:08:36 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:08:36 -0500 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> References: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803210908i3777d636la5bedbf029d6e198@mail.gmail.com> In 1968 Channel 9 did carry the conventions at all and instead ran movies and got mail from as far away from Connecticut with viewers happy to have another option. Sometimes channel 9 made news by accident. In June of 1968 the transmitter engineer fell asleep and when ABC came back with coverage that RFK had been shot the station was the only one on at 3 AM. We used to feed the network to the transmitter when we were off the air just to keep the STL happy. Then in 1972 the reverse happened. The transmitter engineer again fell asleep and heard the national anthem and happily shut the station down...at 9:30 PM It was during the Olympics and somebody from the US had won a medal. One could write a book about 1819 Elm St On 3/21/08, Bill Dillane wrote: > I had head that one night during the 1972 Democratic Convention that had > sessions going long into the overnight hours, someone at the convention > moved to adjourn sometime after 2:00. The WMUR tech on duty quickly signed > off the station, but the session and the ABC coverage did not end until much > later. > > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have > channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, > and Portland channels 3 and 8. > > Chart at > http://members.aol.com/jeff99500/1947tvalloc.html > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 21 12:15:41 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:15:41 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> References: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> Message-ID: <18403.57133.530877.691808@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have > channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, > and Portland channels 3 and 8. Yep, that's from before the FCC realized how hellaciously short-spaced that would have made nearly everything in the northeast. Then Providence moved 11 to 10 and added 12, New Haven moved 6 to 8, New Bedford got 6, Albany 4 moved to 6, Utica 3 moved to 2 and 13 moved to 4 (never built), and that whole cascade of changes in Western NY that eventually put Syracuse on 3, 5, and 9, Rochester on 8, 10, and 13, and Toronto on 5 and 9. -GAWollman From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 12:30:07 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in Worcester but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP, and that WHDH-TV was originally scheduled for the channel 13 license and WCOP was interested in the channel 9 allocation. I'm not sure how far along things were when the channels were reallocated. ----- Original Message ---- From: Garrett Wollman To: Bill Dillane Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:15:41 PM Subject: WMUR < said: > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have > channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, > and Portland channels 3 and 8. Yep, that's from before the FCC realized how hellaciously short-spaced that would have made nearly everything in the northeast. Then Providence moved 11 to 10 and added 12, New Haven moved 6 to 8, New Bedford got 6, Albany 4 moved to 6, Utica 3 moved to 2 and 13 moved to 4 (never built), and that whole cascade of changes in Western NY that eventually put Syracuse on 3, 5, and 9, Rochester on 8, 10, and 13, and Toronto on 5 and 9. -GAWollman ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 12:56:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:56:54 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <18403.57133.530877.691808@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> <18403.57133.530877.691808@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803210956v63647116i8d919aaaf4525f79@mail.gmail.com> Wasn't CBLT on channel 6 before the CN Tower was built? I think things were moved to make room for Global TV in the 70's. On 3/21/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have > > channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, > > and Portland channels 3 and 8. > > Yep, that's from before the FCC realized how hellaciously short-spaced > that would have made nearly everything in the northeast. Then > Providence moved 11 to 10 and added 12, New Haven moved 6 to 8, New > Bedford got 6, Albany 4 moved to 6, Utica 3 moved to 2 and 13 > moved to 4 (never built), and that whole cascade of changes in Western > NY that eventually put Syracuse on 3, 5, and 9, Rochester on 8, 10, > and 13, and Toronto on 5 and 9. > > -GAWollman > From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Mar 21 13:02:28 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:02:28 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015c01c88b75$584a2db0$0200a8c0@Office> I once applied for a job at WSRS - at the time (and maybe still) their studios were up on the mountain in Paxton. The PD (don't recall his name) told me that we were in what was originally supposed to be the Channel 5 WTAG-TV building - you could tell it was designed as a TV studio - high ceilings, etc. He explained that the station had been built - ALL the equipment was in place and the FCC had granted the license to start up. As he explained it, the license was mailed by the FCC the same day that the station sent the FCC a letter withdrawing their application - he said that the letters crossed in the mail. I don't recall if he told me WHY they withdrew their application. Gary F -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:30 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WMUR I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in Worcester but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP, and that WHDH-TV was originally scheduled for the channel 13 license and WCOP was interested in the channel 9 allocation. I'm not sure how far along things were when the channels were reallocated. ----- Original Message ---- From: Garrett Wollman To: Bill Dillane Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:15:41 PM Subject: WMUR < said: > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to > have channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence > channel 11, and Portland channels 3 and 8. Yep, that's from before the FCC realized how hellaciously short-spaced that would have made nearly everything in the northeast. Then Providence moved 11 to 10 and added 12, New Haven moved 6 to 8, New Bedford got 6, Albany 4 moved to 6, Utica 3 moved to 2 and 13 moved to 4 (never built), and that whole cascade of changes in Western NY that eventually put Syracuse on 3, 5, and 9, Rochester on 8, 10, and 13, and Toronto on 5 and 9. -GAWollman ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From sid@wrko.com Fri Mar 21 13:11:43 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:11:43 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in Worcester but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP...<< I can confirm that. As a former CE of WSRS (while Norman Knight owned it, and long before the Paxton building was remodeled), I was once rummaging through some old files and came across the original blueprint for the building. Right above the front entrance door, where "WSRS" was displayed for many years, was the call sign "WTAG-TV." WSRS was, of course, originally WTAG-FM. The T&G sold it off when they decided that FM was going nowhere (brilliant decision, that)...and as late as the early 1980s, when WSRS was the undisputed ratings leader in the then-separate-from-Boston Worcester market, the GM of WTAG was telling people that FM wasn't a factor in the market. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 13:46:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803211046p56d0e1cfyb55da9dc1842970f@mail.gmail.com> I am pretty certain that WJZB Channel 14 used that studio at one point as WSRS shared studios with WJZB In the mid 60's. My Dad took me there one night around 1964. On 3/21/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in Worcester > but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP...<< > > I can confirm that. As a former CE of WSRS (while Norman Knight owned it, > and long before the Paxton building was remodeled), I was once rummaging > through some old files and came across the original blueprint for the > building. Right above the front entrance door, where "WSRS" was displayed > for many years, was the call sign "WTAG-TV." > > WSRS was, of course, originally WTAG-FM. The T&G sold it off when they > decided that FM was going nowhere (brilliant decision, that)...and as late > as the early 1980s, when WSRS was the undisputed ratings leader in the > then-separate-from-Boston Worcester market, the GM of WTAG was telling > people that FM wasn't a factor in the market. > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF > WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 21 13:56:44 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:56:44 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <18403.57133.530877.691808@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <001901c88b67$9e796f70$db6c4e50$@net> <18403.57133.530877.691808@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47E3F6DC.7080001@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was suppose to have >> channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - channel 5, Providence channel 11, >> and Portland channels 3 and 8. > > Yep, that's from before the FCC realized how hellaciously short-spaced > that would have made nearly everything in the northeast. Then > Providence moved 11 to 10 and added 12, New Haven moved 6 to 8, New > Bedford got 6, Albany 4 moved to 6, Utica 3 moved to 2 and 13 > moved to 4 (never built), and that whole cascade of changes in Western > NY that eventually put Syracuse on 3, 5, and 9, Rochester on 8, 10, > and 13, and Toronto on 5 and 9. Garrett *almost* remembered it right. There was never a Utica 3...just WKTV on 13, which moved to 2. The Utica 4 allocation, never built, was dropped in later on. Utica's move opened up 13 for use in Rochester and Albany. The swap of 8 Syracuse and 5 Rochester opened up 9 for Syracuse. As for Toronto...CBLT signed on in 1954 on channel 9. It moved to 6 around 1960, freeing up 9 for use by commercial CFTO in 1961. CBLT then moved from 6 to 5 in 1972, freeing up 6 for use by the new Global TV (CKGN, later CIII-TV) at Paris, Ontario later that year. s From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 14:39:29 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:39:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <32016629.1206124769848.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Bill Dillane" > To: > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:23:58 -0400 > Subject: WMUR > > BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was > supposed to have channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - > channel 5, Providence channel 11, and Portland channels 3 > and 8. > > Chart at http://members.aol.com/jeff99500/1947tvalloc.html And, it has channel 6 in for Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill! EP From w1tag@w1tag.com Fri Mar 21 14:52:41 2008 From: w1tag@w1tag.com (John Andrews) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:52:41 -0400 Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <47E403F9.8080508@w1tag.com> Maureen, The Worcester T&G did indeed have a CP for Channel 5 shortly after WWII. The principal problem has already been pointed out: the allocations were dreadfully short-spaced, and resulted in an unusually low ERP (25 kw if memory serves)for a Paxton-based Channel 5 transmitter site. The signal into Boston would not have been great. This triggered a secondary issue of convincing any of the potential networks to allow an affiliation where Boston would be under-served. A third (amazing) issue was that WTAG-AM was a CBS radio network affiliate at the time, and CBS was convinced that the VHF channels would be forever monochrome, with their "color wheel" system being headed for UHF. The network problem resurfaced with two later T&G UHF applications, both of which were withdrawn. The Paxton building was designed at the end of the Channel 5 process, and the large empty space toward the back was reserved for a hypothetical color UHF transmitter. To my knowledge, no TV equipment was ever present or even ordered. John Andrews (former CE of WTAG-AM) (and like Sid, WSRS-FM ) From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 21 14:30:09 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:30:09 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803211046p56d0e1cfyb55da9dc1842970f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <080201c88b81$9851aa30$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Kevin: I don't mean to contradict you, but I'm not too sure about that . . . the WSRS studio was, and is, on the left going up Asnebumskit Hill, while I remember the WWOR/WJZB building being near the top, at the end of the road, where the transmitter was. I thought --- maybe I'm wrong --- that the WJZB building was originally the edifice John Shepard built for the Yankee Network's experimental FM station back in the early '40s. Maybe Donna can clear this up. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: WMUR >I am pretty certain that WJZB Channel 14 used that studio at one point > as WSRS shared studios with WJZB In the mid 60's. > > My Dad took me there one night around 1964. > > > > On 3/21/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> >>I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in >> >>Worcester >> but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP...<< >> >> I can confirm that. As a former CE of WSRS (while Norman Knight owned >> it, >> and long before the Paxton building was remodeled), I was once rummaging >> through some old files and came across the original blueprint for the >> building. Right above the front entrance door, where "WSRS" was >> displayed >> for many years, was the call sign "WTAG-TV." >> >> WSRS was, of course, originally WTAG-FM. The T&G sold it off when they >> decided that FM was going nowhere (brilliant decision, that)...and as >> late >> as the early 1980s, when WSRS was the undisputed ratings leader in the >> then-separate-from-Boston Worcester market, the GM of WTAG was telling >> people that FM wasn't a factor in the market. >> >> >> Sid Schweiger >> IT Manager, Entercom New England >> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF >> WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM >> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor >> Brighton MA 02135-2040 >> P: 617-779-5369 >> F: 617-779-5379 >> E: sid@wrko.com >> >> >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 21 15:32:39 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:32:39 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <32016629.1206124769848.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001301c88b8a$54cd0850$85efa644@SatU205S5044> But six wasn't in Portland in that table, right? And Schenectady was still on four, right? Seems as though that table must have used the same spacings between co-channel VHF TVs as were requred between co-channel full Class B FMs. That way, you could have Channel 4 in both New York City and Schenectady. Since Class B FMs in those days were allowed only 20 kW at 500' AAT, it seems very unlikely that the table allowed full-power low-band VHF TVs in the Northeast to run 100 kW at 1000' AAT. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Cc: "Bill Dillane" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: WMUR >> > From: "Bill Dillane" >> To: >> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:23:58 -0400 >> Subject: WMUR >> >> BTW - According to a 1947 TV allocation chart, Boston was >> supposed to have channels 2, 4, 7, 9 and 13, Worcester - >> channel 5, Providence channel 11, and Portland channels 3 >> and 8. >> >> Chart at http://members.aol.com/jeff99500/1947tvalloc.html > > And, it has channel 6 in for Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill! > > EP > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 21 14:58:15 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:58:15 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803211046p56d0e1cfyb55da9dc1842970f@mail.gmail.com> <080201c88b81$9851aa30$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803211146q2005d726j3619685c0e61f108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <080f01c88b85$85c8a6d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I always thought it was too bad that Worcester never got to have the VHF station it was originally intended to have, and that Channel 14 never really got off the ground either. Worcester got wedged in there between the Boston and Providence markets, unfortunately enhancing its long-held "second banana" status. WSMW Channel 27 gave it a good try some years later, and even had a well-done local newscast. But when the Boston UHFs upped their power output and new stations came on the air, that pretty much put the kibosh on that. I don't know how well 27 is doing with its Spanish-language programming. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Sid Schweiger" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > It is possible we visited both stations that night but my memory is > that the radio board was adjacent to the film chains of 14. The TV > studio such as it was consisted of one camera that said WWLP on it. > > On 3/21/08, Doug Drown wrote: >> Kevin: I don't mean to contradict you, but I'm not too sure about that . >> . >> . the WSRS studio was, and is, on the left going up Asnebumskit Hill, >> while >> I remember the WWOR/WJZB building being near the top, at the end of the >> road, where the transmitter was. I thought --- maybe I'm wrong --- that >> the >> WJZB building was originally the edifice John Shepard built for the >> Yankee >> Network's experimental FM station back in the early '40s. Maybe Donna >> can >> clear this up. -Doug >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Sid Schweiger" >> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" >> >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:46 PM >> Subject: Re: WMUR >> >> >> >I am pretty certain that WJZB Channel 14 used that studio at one point >> > as WSRS shared studios with WJZB In the mid 60's. >> > >> > My Dad took me there one night around 1964. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 3/21/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> >> >>I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in >> >> >>Worcester >> >> but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP...<< >> >> >> >> I can confirm that. As a former CE of WSRS (while Norman Knight owned >> >> it, >> >> and long before the Paxton building was remodeled), I was once >> >> rummaging >> >> through some old files and came across the original blueprint for the >> >> building. Right above the front entrance door, where "WSRS" was >> >> displayed >> >> for many years, was the call sign "WTAG-TV." >> >> >> >> WSRS was, of course, originally WTAG-FM. The T&G sold it off when >> >> they >> >> decided that FM was going nowhere (brilliant decision, that)...and as >> >> late >> >> as the early 1980s, when WSRS was the undisputed ratings leader in the >> >> then-separate-from-Boston Worcester market, the GM of WTAG was telling >> >> people that FM wasn't a factor in the market. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sid Schweiger >> >> IT Manager, Entercom New England >> >> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF >> >> WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM >> >> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor >> >> Brighton MA 02135-2040 >> >> P: 617-779-5369 >> >> F: 617-779-5379 >> >> E: sid@wrko.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 17:34:35 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJZB-TV Channel 14 (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <080f01c88b85$85c8a6d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <954095.12769.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's funny that you would mention about WJZB-TV. Channel 14 has always interesting hobby of sorts for me. So much in fact (and NO, I did NOT buy the company ;)).. I did make a rather extensive exhibit on WWOR/WJZB at the UHF Morgue, and I also had started a tribute site on Channel 14, by itself. It's rather preliminary, mind you, but I think I am going to get it going again. I've already had some help from Jeff McMahon (who actually LIVED on Asnesbumskit with his family, while his late Dad was the engineer of Channel 14). I'm definately going to reactivate the tribute site ASAP. If you want to check it out just click on to.... http://www.geocities.com/pqgeorge100 also, the UHF Morgue has a lot of info on WJZB. Try.... http://radiodxer.net or http://www.geocities.com/radiojunkie1 73, -Pete --- Doug Drown wrote: > I always thought it was too bad that Worcester never > got to have the VHF > station it was originally intended to have, and that > Channel 14 never really > got off the ground either. Worcester got wedged in > there between the Boston > and Providence markets, unfortunately enhancing its > long-held "second > banana" status. > > WSMW Channel 27 gave it a good try some years later, > and even had a > well-done local newscast. But when the Boston UHFs > upped their power output > and new stations came on the air, that pretty much > put the kibosh on that. > I don't know how well 27 is doing with its > Spanish-language programming. > > -Doug > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Mar 21 19:17:18 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:17:18 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <9971059.133261206097566876.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> References: <9971059.133261206097566876.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> Message-ID: <8B995B009F164A85A69084DB4CAD95A8@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs >But it's not for a lack of trying, as the channel 8 crew is full of folks >who know their way around a newsroom, including longtime TV vet Dick >Gosselin. But Dick >has always been adept at many aspects of his craft, >especially videography and editing, as well as being very much at ease on >camera. Dick covered a school board meeting that I was at last night. He is certainly a pro. It was kind of weird seeing a reporter running his own camera. > WCSH has the advantage of a state-wide presence with the WLBZ operation > working in tandem. It is a major advantage in saving money, but I hate seeing news and weather that is local to Bangor. That and Kiley Bennett has me watching WGME more than I used to. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Mar 21 19:18:41 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:18:41 -0400 Subject: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs In-Reply-To: <07bc01c88b45$dc813a40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <9971059.133261206097566876.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02> <07bc01c88b45$dc813a40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <998D8A3C6A08407C851B1F78484566EF@DanBillingsPC> I only see the ratings that are published in the paper, but WMTW is always a distant third. WGME has come close to WCSH in some day parts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: report: NBC to sell Hartford, Miami TVs > Chuck: We don't get the Portland Press Herald up in this neck of the > woods, but I am under the impression that WMTW had moved up into second > place in the news ratings while WGME had fallen to third. Am I wrong? From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 19:53:40 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJZB-TV Channel 14 (was Re: WMUR) Message-ID: <843783.83413.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's funny that you would mention about WJZB-TV. Channel 14 has always interesting hobby of sorts for me. So much in fact (and NO, I did NOT buy the company ;)).. I did make a rather extensive exhibit on WWOR/WJZB at the UHF Morgue, and I also had started a tribute site on Channel 14, by itself. It's rather preliminary, mind you, but I think I am going to get it going again. I've already had some help from Jeff McMahon (who actually LIVED on Asnesbumskit with his family, while his late Dad was the engineer of Channel 14). I'm definately going to reactivate the tribute site ASAP. If you want to check it out just click on to.... http://www.geocities.com/pqgeorge100 also, the UHF Morgue has a lot of info on WJZB. Try.... http://radiodxer.net or http://www.geocities.com/radiojunkie1 73, -Pete --- Doug Drown wrote: > I always thought it was too bad that Worcester never > got to have the VHF > station it was originally intended to have, and that > Channel 14 never really > got off the ground either. Worcester got wedged > in there between the Boston > and Providence markets, unfortunately enhancing its > long-held "second > banana" status. > > WSMW Channel 27 gave it a good try some years later, > and even had a > well-done local newscast. But when the Boston UHFs > upped their power output > and new stations came on the air, that pretty much > put the kibosh on that. > I don't know how well 27 is doing with its > Spanish-language programming. > > -Doug Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 21:15:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:15:49 -0400 Subject: WJZB-TV Channel 14 (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <954095.12769.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <080f01c88b85$85c8a6d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <954095.12769.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803211815u5fb03aa1w6db314e680ed69ae@mail.gmail.com> When I was in prep school 14 had the best signal into Woonsocket of any station. The web page mentions Celtics and Bruins and that doesn't seem right. 38 had the Celtics in 64-66 with Harry Caray of all people doing the games. WKBG took over in 66-67. The Bruins never had a home until WKBG the same year and went to WSBK in 67-68. I don't think General Putnam in Agawam ever really understood what 14 could have been. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 21 14:46:55 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:46:55 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <080201c88b81$9851aa30$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80103B612@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803211046p56d0e1cfyb55da9dc1842970f@mail.gmail.com> <080201c88b81$9851aa30$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803211146q2005d726j3619685c0e61f108@mail.gmail.com> It is possible we visited both stations that night but my memory is that the radio board was adjacent to the film chains of 14. The TV studio such as it was consisted of one camera that said WWLP on it. On 3/21/08, Doug Drown wrote: > Kevin: I don't mean to contradict you, but I'm not too sure about that . . > . the WSRS studio was, and is, on the left going up Asnebumskit Hill, while > I remember the WWOR/WJZB building being near the top, at the end of the > road, where the transmitter was. I thought --- maybe I'm wrong --- that the > WJZB building was originally the edifice John Shepard built for the Yankee > Network's experimental FM station back in the early '40s. Maybe Donna can > clear this up. -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Sid Schweiger" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > >I am pretty certain that WJZB Channel 14 used that studio at one point > > as WSRS shared studios with WJZB In the mid 60's. > > > > My Dad took me there one night around 1964. > > > > > > > > On 3/21/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> >>I understand that the Telegram & Gazette put in for channel 5 in > >> >>Worcester > >> but I'm not sure if they got as far as the CP...<< > >> > >> I can confirm that. As a former CE of WSRS (while Norman Knight owned > >> it, > >> and long before the Paxton building was remodeled), I was once rummaging > >> through some old files and came across the original blueprint for the > >> building. Right above the front entrance door, where "WSRS" was > >> displayed > >> for many years, was the call sign "WTAG-TV." > >> > >> WSRS was, of course, originally WTAG-FM. The T&G sold it off when they > >> decided that FM was going nowhere (brilliant decision, that)...and as > >> late > >> as the early 1980s, when WSRS was the undisputed ratings leader in the > >> then-separate-from-Boston Worcester market, the GM of WTAG was telling > >> people that FM wasn't a factor in the market. > >> > >> > >> Sid Schweiger > >> IT Manager, Entercom New England > >> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF > >> WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > >> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > >> Brighton MA 02135-2040 > >> P: 617-779-5369 > >> F: 617-779-5379 > >> E: sid@wrko.com > >> > >> > >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 01:37:23 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:37:23 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803210709m7751b4e2mdc7622c11af8e5cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770803210709m7751b4e2mdc7622c11af8e5cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Mar 2008 at 10:09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > We must have driven ABC crazy. If we delayed running a network show > and since we could not tape it in color they would send us a 16mm > print with the commercials spliced in as we did have a color film > chain. I don't believe ABC did much (or perhaps any) color broadcasting until the mid-to-late 1960s. For a long time NBC was the only network pushing color. The way I heard it (and I'm sure Donna has much more definitive information), around 1965 or so, the statistics began to show that color made a difference in ratings. At that point, CBS abruptly changed to all color for its fall season, even re-shooting some pilots. As long as ABC was one of two networks not doing color, they stayed that way, but when CBS changed, ABC didn't want to be the only network not doing color and finally spent the money to change over. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 01:37:24 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:37:24 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E462D4.13278.81DD1E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Mar 2008 at 6:52, Maureen Carney wrote: > Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would watch WMUR was because > they cleared ABC programming that the Boston affiate (either WCVB or > WNAC) wouldn't - stuff like "American Bandstand", "Edge of Night" > (when it came over to ABC in the late 70s/early 80s) and various > sporting events. Since for the most part I watched 9 on a B&W TV in my > parent's bedroom the crappy color didn't bother me! It's important to remember that there was no full-time ABC affiliate in Boston until WHDH-TV, channel 5 came on the air in November 1957. Before that, ABC programs were mostly carried by channel 7, a CBS affiliate, and sometimes by channel 4. At the time, channel 4 and channel 7 were not carrying the NBC and CBS evening news broadcasts, so channel 5 picked up both of them and did not carry the ABC news with John Daly. That was on channel 9. I remember Uncle Gus in the early 1970s. At the time I worked at Brookline Town Hall. Uncle Gus was on at 5 PM, and I usually got home while he was still on. After him was Robin Hood, with Richard Greene, which I liked to watch. So I would usually turn on the TV and watch Uncle Gus until Robin Hood came on. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 01:37:24 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:37:24 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803211146q2005d726j3619685c0e61f108@mail.gmail.com> References: <289200.48650.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <080201c88b81$9851aa30$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770803211146q2005d726j3619685c0e61f108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E462D4.30138.81DDE9@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Mar 2008 at 14:46, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is possible we visited both stations that night but my memory is > that the radio board was adjacent to the film chains of 14. The TV > studio such as it was consisted of one camera that said WWLP on it. WWLP? Not WJZB? WWLP was/is channel 22 in Springfield. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rjoc04679@msn.com Sat Mar 22 04:39:58 2008 From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:39:58 -0400 Subject: Maine Public Broadcasting loses roof.. Message-ID: During high winds yesterday (Friday, March 21st) The administrative building of the Maine Public Broadcasting Network in Bangor lost its' roof. Check out MPBN's website for more info and video. mpbn.net I was listening to MPBN between 2-4PM for "Down Memory Lane" and noticed they were briefly off air a couple times. I thought it was simply power outage at their transmitter on BlackCap Mountain in Eddington and didn't give it much thought. It wasn't until seeing video of the scene on WLBZ2 NewCenter at 5 that I realized the seriousness of the situation. Rod O'Connor Southwest Harbor, Maine _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Mar 22 06:02:07 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:02:07 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <03be01c88c03$c999ceb0$0200a8c0@Office> The last network show on CBS to switch to color in 1966 was Lost in Space - Irwin Allen wanted to shoot the 1965 first season of the show in color but 20th Century Fox said it would cost too much (since the show was, at the time, the most expensive show ever filmed) - a decision that hurts the show today in syndication sales. Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:37 AM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WMUR On 21 Mar 2008 at 10:09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > We must have driven ABC crazy. If we delayed running a network show > and since we could not tape it in color they would send us a 16mm > print with the commercials spliced in as we did have a color film > chain. I don't believe ABC did much (or perhaps any) color broadcasting until the mid-to-late 1960s. For a long time NBC was the only network pushing color. The way I heard it (and I'm sure Donna has much more definitive information), around 1965 or so, the statistics began to show that color made a difference in ratings. At that point, CBS abruptly changed to all color for its fall season, even re-shooting some pilots. As long as ABC was one of two networks not doing color, they stayed that way, but when CBS changed, ABC didn't want to be the only network not doing color and finally spent the money to change over. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 22 07:50:01 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:50:01 -0400 Subject: Wind gust blows off MPBN roof Message-ID: <000501c88c12$dcbca670$6401a8c0@DougDrown> The MPBN incident was the banner headline in this morning's Bangor Daily News. Pretty awful. Here's the link: http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=161975&zoneid=500 The News also reported that Caribou, in Aroostook County, has received a record 182.5 inches of snow thus far this season. This doesn't take into account the blizzard from which the town is emerging this morning. I remember seeing an old National Geographic from the '50s which showed photos of snow in The County that buried telephone poles up to their lower crossarms. And there's MORE than that this year?? -Doug From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 08:02:35 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:02:35 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> Maureen Carney wrote: > Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would watch WMUR was because they > cleared ABC programming that the Boston affiate (either WCVB or WNAC) > wouldn't - stuff like "American Bandstand", "Edge of Night" (when it came > over to ABC in the late 70s/early 80s) and various sporting events. I know that WCVB never carried "American Bandstand" as they ran "Candlepin Bowling" at Noon. I recall that at one time or another in the 70's "Bandstand" may have been cleared by WSBK Channel 38. Did WNAC ever clear "Bandstand" when they were Boston's ABC affiliate? Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 08:14:36 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:14:36 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E462D4.13278.81DD1E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002701c88c16$4c0c9000$4c5dd962@Mark> A. Jospeh Ross wrote" > I remember Uncle Gus in the early 1970s. At the time I worked at > Brookline Town Hall. Uncle Gus was on at 5 PM, and I usually got > home while he was still on. After him was Robin Hood, with Richard > Greene, which I liked to watch. So I would usually turn on the TV > and watch Uncle Gus until Robin Hood came on. I remember "Robin Hood" on WMUR in the early 70's. By the mid-70's they had replaced it with "The Lone Ranger", which was one of my father's favorite shows. They also had "Gilligan's Island", "Timmy & Lassie" and the first Lassie show, "Jeff's Collie" in the 4:00 & 5:30 slots over the years, with "Uncle Gus" always at 4:30. However, I do recall that ABC still had programming at 4:00 into the mid-70's at least that WMUR cleared, a game show "The Money Maze" hosted by Nick Clooney (George's dad, Nick was also a Cincinnati radio personality) and when that show was cancelled, it was replaced by "The Edge of Night". WCVB didn't clear "Money Maze", not sure about "Edge", but since WMUR was known for clearing virtually anything ABC fed, they probably didn't fill the 4:00 slot locally until ABC stopped offering a 4:00 show. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 08:24:22 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:24:22 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com><4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com><001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com><000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044><075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803201511w5242ff30x86917effbf73a728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004801c88c17$a92c7a60$4c5dd962@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > How cheap were they? > > In 1968 on election night the station GM declared Nixon won at 1 AM so > he would not have to pay OT. Channel 9 was six hours ahead of the > networks. > > He also would not air Joey Bishop late nights and we ran old reruns of > People Are Funny and went off the air at Midnight. Prior to the debut of "Good Morning America" in 1975 or 1976, ABC didn't start feeding daily network programming till 11:00. IIRC WMUR didn't sign on until 10:45 weekdays with the booth announcer doing a rip & read wire copy newscast (audio only, with a slide showing the word "News" on the screen the whole time) then the network show at 11. Did WMUR sign on at 7 to clear "GMA" from the start? I know on Saturdays they signed on at 8:00 as they cleared ABCs cartoon/kids shows, and Sundays they signed on at 7:00 or 8:00 to run religious programs. Mark Watson From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 22 08:29:47 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:29:47 -0400 Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> WMUR was originally a CBS affiliate that I believe had a secondary ABC affiliation. I'm not sure when that changed, but I remember the station from the late '50s and it was an ABC affiliate by then. -Doug > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Maureen Carney" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > >> On 21 Mar 2008 at 6:52, Maureen Carney wrote: >> >>> Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would watch WMUR was because >>> they cleared ABC programming that the Boston affiate (either WCVB or >>> WNAC) wouldn't - stuff like "American Bandstand", "Edge of Night" >>> (when it came over to ABC in the late 70s/early 80s) and various >>> sporting events. Since for the most part I watched 9 on a B&W TV in my >>> parent's bedroom the crappy color didn't bother me! >> >> It's important to remember that there was no full-time ABC affiliate >> in Boston until WHDH-TV, channel 5 came on the air in November 1957. >> Before that, ABC programs were mostly carried by channel 7, a CBS >> affiliate, and sometimes by channel 4. >> >> At the time, channel 4 and channel 7 were not carrying the NBC and >> CBS evening news broadcasts, so channel 5 picked up both of them and >> did not carry the ABC news with John Daly. That was on channel 9. >> >> I remember Uncle Gus in the early 1970s. At the time I worked at >> Brookline Town Hall. Uncle Gus was on at 5 PM, and I usually got >> home while he was still on. After him was Robin Hood, with Richard >> Greene, which I liked to watch. So I would usually turn on the TV >> and watch Uncle Gus until Robin Hood came on. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Mar 22 09:39:03 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:39:03 -0400 Subject: Wind gust blows off MPBN roof References: <000501c88c12$dcbca670$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <001801c88c22$199d1200$0201a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" << The MPBN incident was the banner headline in this morning's Bangor Daily News. Pretty awful. Here's the link: http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=161975&zoneid=500 >> In reading the story - why does the University of Maine at Augusta have a Bangor Campus? Especially since the University of Maine (Orono) is, um, one town over? Regarding the building - thankfully no one was hurt indeed. - -Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 09:51:57 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:51:57 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <004801c88c17$a92c7a60$4c5dd962@Mark> References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803201511w5242ff30x86917effbf73a728@mail.gmail.com> <004801c88c17$a92c7a60$4c5dd962@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803220651n1dbfdcc6lb563c8670b90c203@mail.gmail.com> If WMUR was CBS it was very brief because by 1955 they were pretty much ABC and the primary source for ABC in Boston until channel 5 came along. My folks watched Lawrence Welk on 9 which for some reason was not picked up in Boston. What is totally forgotten is at one point WMUR also had a radio station that would become WGIR. In fact you could see the WMUR call letters on the WGIR transmitter unit. Governor Murphy died in 1959 and I think that is when radio and TV split. I don't know if radio was ever done at 1819 Elm but I tend to doubt it as there wasn't any room to speak of but that was before my time. 1819 was at one point the home of Governor Murphy and we found a lot of old political junk in the attic including a Mc Kinley-Roosevelt banner we moved to the projection room. Also 1819 was the office of the artist who drew the Archie comic strip who rented out a space upstairs. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 09:55:38 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR/WXPO and CBS (Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There was some talk about WMUR (Channel 9) being originally a CBS affiliate and eventually a full-time ABC affiliate. Not being around at the time of WMUR's premiere, I cannot prove or disprove it. The Channel 9 of today totally bears little resemblance of the station run by United Television or The Voice and Vision Of New Hampshire. Today, WMUR-TV (now owned by Hearst) is the "station of record" during the New Hampshire Primaries. It's a full state-of-the-art station, one of the best facilities available. That was not always the case as you can see on those YouTube video files mentioned earlier. Apparently those early local color broadcasts (1973) were made using some very "barely broadcast quality" industrial cameras. I remember the look of Channel 9, compared to the Boston stations at the time. No contest. It would be another 8 years, in 1981, before WMUR finally had a truly broadcast quality set up with real good color cameras and a TBC that actually stabilized the picture. United ran that station down to the ground. I'm sure the great local folks at WMUR wanted to have a station they could be proud of. In 1981, under new ownership, they finally got their wish. It really looked great. The story about CBS and New Hampshire did not stop there. The old WXPO (Channel 50) tried THREE times in 1972 and again in 1973 to get CBS affiliation. Since the loss of Channel 5's CBS affiliation on 3/19/72, when Channel 7 (WNAC-TV) went with CBS, many New Hampshire viewers lost CBS programming as Channel 7's signal paled with the old WHDH-TV, Channel 5. I recently saw one of the original exhibits/packages being proposed to CBS executives to get Channel 50 on the CBS Network. One carrot sent to CBS, upon CBS affiliation, was to have Channel 50 apply for the then-unused Channel 21 allocation in Concord and to run the new Channel 21 as a satellite, thus providing full-coverage throughout New Hampshire. Seemed like a nifty idea. CBS said NO. I'm sure Channel 7 and RKO General made a stink about this and effectively killed the idea. Channel 50 ran a test transmission on July 17, 1973 in the overnight hours. More than likely this was to show CBS executives that Channel 50 could be of benefit for CBS in New Hampshire. This would be the last transmission of WXPO. When CBS said NO, Channel 50 decided it was time to GO. Today Channel 50 is occupied (until 2/17/09) by WZMY, a MY-TV affiliate and Channel 21 (briefly and ironically an unsuccessful CBS affiliate as WNHT) is now an ION Networks O and O. 73, -Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts --- Doug Drown wrote: > WMUR was originally a CBS affiliate that I believe > had a secondary ABC > affiliation. I'm not sure when that changed, but I > remember the station > from the late '50s and it was an ABC affiliate by > then. -Doug > > > > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > To: "Maureen Carney" > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > > > >> On 21 Mar 2008 at 6:52, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> > >>> Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would > watch WMUR was because > >>> they cleared ABC programming that the Boston > affiate (either WCVB or > >>> WNAC) wouldn't - stuff like "American > Bandstand", "Edge of Night" > >>> (when it came over to ABC in the late 70s/early > 80s) and various > >>> sporting events. Since for the most part I > watched 9 on a B&W TV in my > >>> parent's bedroom the crappy color didn't bother > me! > >> > >> It's important to remember that there was no > full-time ABC affiliate > >> in Boston until WHDH-TV, channel 5 came on the > air in November 1957. > >> Before that, ABC programs were mostly carried by > channel 7, a CBS > >> affiliate, and sometimes by channel 4. > >> > >> At the time, channel 4 and channel 7 were not > carrying the NBC and > >> CBS evening news broadcasts, so channel 5 picked > up both of them and > >> did not carry the ABC news with John Daly. That > was on channel 9. > >> > >> I remember Uncle Gus in the early 1970s. At the > time I worked at > >> Brookline Town Hall. Uncle Gus was on at 5 PM, > and I usually got > >> home while he was still on. After him was Robin > Hood, with Richard > >> Greene, which I liked to watch. So I would > usually turn on the TV > >> and watch Uncle Gus until Robin Hood came on. > >> > >> -- > >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax > 617.507.7856 > >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > >> > >> > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 10:29:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:29:08 -0400 Subject: WMUR/WXPO and CBS (Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803220729n3a10c413t1b6cde17573a37de@mail.gmail.com> Neil Cortel almost pulled it off with CBS. The story was a little more involved and at one point CBS was considering buying WXPO. Turned out one William Paley owned a summer home up in the Lake's Region and could not get CBS there so needless to say this was discussed at the highest levels of Black Rock. CBS was also looking at moving 50 to the old WHDH-TV tower and making it WEEI-TV. CBS wanted nothing to do with RKO General but was stuck with them in 72. What killed it was the FCC was not very friendly to CBS in those days as the network was not a member of the Richard Nixon fan club. CBS also looked into buying WSMW that State Mutual was desperate to unload. 15 years later 21 would become a CBS affiliate but it was doomed as they had problems getting put on cable clusters in southern NH especially with Warner Cable. Tom Flatley was not used to losing money and he literally pulled the plug with no warning to the staff. On 3/22/08, Peter Q. George wrote: > There was some talk about WMUR (Channel 9) being > originally a CBS affiliate and eventually a full-time > ABC affiliate. Not being around at the time of WMUR's > premiere, I cannot prove or disprove it. The Channel > 9 of today totally bears little resemblance of the > station run by United Television or The Voice and > Vision Of New Hampshire. Today, WMUR-TV (now owned by > Hearst) is the "station of record" during the New > Hampshire Primaries. It's a full state-of-the-art > station, one of the best facilities available. That > was not always the case as you can see on those > YouTube video files mentioned earlier. > > Apparently those early local color broadcasts (1973) > were made using some very "barely broadcast quality" > industrial cameras. I remember the look of Channel 9, > compared to the Boston stations at the time. No > contest. It would be another 8 years, in 1981, before > WMUR finally had a truly broadcast quality set up with > real good color cameras and a TBC that actually > stabilized the picture. United ran that station down > to the ground. I'm sure the great local folks at WMUR > wanted to have a station they could be proud of. In > 1981, under new ownership, they finally got their > wish. It really looked great. > > The story about CBS and New Hampshire did not stop > there. The old WXPO (Channel 50) tried THREE times in > 1972 and again in 1973 to get CBS affiliation. Since > the loss of Channel 5's CBS affiliation on 3/19/72, > when Channel 7 (WNAC-TV) went with CBS, many New > Hampshire viewers lost CBS programming as Channel 7's > signal paled with the old WHDH-TV, Channel 5. I > recently saw one of the original exhibits/packages > being proposed to CBS executives to get Channel 50 on > the CBS Network. One carrot sent to CBS, upon CBS > affiliation, was to have Channel 50 apply for the > then-unused Channel 21 allocation in Concord and to > run the new Channel 21 as a satellite, thus providing > full-coverage throughout New Hampshire. Seemed like a > nifty idea. CBS said NO. I'm sure Channel 7 and RKO > General made a stink about this and effectively killed > the idea. Channel 50 ran a test transmission on July > 17, 1973 in the overnight hours. More than likely > this was to show CBS executives that Channel 50 could > be of benefit for CBS in New Hampshire. This would be > the last transmission of WXPO. When CBS said NO, > Channel 50 decided it was time to GO. > > Today Channel 50 is occupied (until 2/17/09) by WZMY, > a MY-TV affiliate and Channel 21 (briefly and > ironically an unsuccessful CBS affiliate as WNHT) is > now an ION Networks O and O. > > > > 73, > > -Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > > > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > > > WMUR was originally a CBS affiliate that I believe > > had a secondary ABC > > affiliation. I'm not sure when that changed, but I > > remember the station > > from the late '50s and it was an ABC affiliate by > > then. -Doug > > > > > > > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > > To: "Maureen Carney" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > > > > > > >> On 21 Mar 2008 at 6:52, Maureen Carney wrote: > > >> > > >>> Besides "Uncle Gus" the other reason I would > > watch WMUR was because > > >>> they cleared ABC programming that the Boston > > affiate (either WCVB or > > >>> WNAC) wouldn't - stuff like "American > > Bandstand", "Edge of Night" > > >>> (when it came over to ABC in the late 70s/early > > 80s) and various > > >>> sporting events. Since for the most part I > > watched 9 on a B&W TV in my > > >>> parent's bedroom the crappy color didn't bother > > me! > > >> > > >> It's important to remember that there was no > > full-time ABC affiliate > > >> in Boston until WHDH-TV, channel 5 came on the > > air in November 1957. > > >> Before that, ABC programs were mostly carried by > > channel 7, a CBS > > >> affiliate, and sometimes by channel 4. > > >> > > >> At the time, channel 4 and channel 7 were not > > carrying the NBC and > > >> CBS evening news broadcasts, so channel 5 picked > > up both of them and > > >> did not carry the ABC news with John Daly. That > > was on channel 9. > > >> > > >> I remember Uncle Gus in the early 1970s. At the > > time I worked at > > >> Brookline Town Hall. Uncle Gus was on at 5 PM, > > and I usually got > > >> home while he was still on. After him was Robin > > Hood, with Richard > > >> Greene, which I liked to watch. So I would > > usually turn on the TV > > >> and watch Uncle Gus until Robin Hood came on. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > > 617.367.0468 > > >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax > > 617.507.7856 > > >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 > > http://www.attorneyross.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 10:34:11 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ABC did do some very limited color broadcasts in the early-1960's. "The Jetsons" and "The Flintstones" were broadcast in color in 1962, in prime-time. ABC's "Wide World Of Sports" had a few color segments in the 1963 season. However, most ABC affiliates were not equipped for color yet, so most people did not see the color broadcasts. ABC did do some color specials from time to time, such as "The Hollywood Palace" (1965) and their movies. It wasn't until the 1966-1967 season when ABC went full-color. Color penetration was only about 30% of all TV households in 1966. By 1970, 75%+ had at least one color set. > I don't believe ABC did much (or perhaps any) color > broadcasting > until the mid-to-late 1960s. For a long time NBC > was the only > network pushing color. > > The way I heard it (and I'm sure Donna has much more > definitive > information), around 1965 or so, the statistics > began to show that > color made a difference in ratings. At that point, > CBS abruptly > changed to all color for its fall season, even > re-shooting some > pilots. As long as ABC was one of two networks not > doing color, they > stayed that way, but when CBS changed, ABC didn't > want to be the only > network not doing color and finally spent the money > to change over. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax > 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 10:59:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:59:28 -0400 Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803220759s1d4292e4p185f06a8187c195a@mail.gmail.com> We have to remember why ABC and CBS were late to the color conversion game. In the case of ABC it was money as the network was not doing well in the early 60's. They did buy an old NBC color truck to do NBA games and they were still using the TK 41's as late as 1970. Money wasn't an issue with CBS but Paley just did not want to deal with RCA. CBS did buy RCA gear for WCAU in Philly only because they were forced into it when KYW set us shop in full color. Finally in 1965 Phillips (Norelco) developed color equipment that was as good if not better than RCA and CBS became their biggest customer. They also made the mistake of buying Marconi color gear for studios in NY. ABC then heavily bought both GE and Norelco gear also trying to avoid RCA. The Boston stations were heavily RCA as Channels 5, 4 and 56 went with Camden. 7 and 38 went with GE and 2 with Marconi as did WXPO later. Norelco did not hit Boston until WCVB arrived in 72. 9 went with IVC finally. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 11:24:36 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803220759s1d4292e4p185f06a8187c195a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <799271.72694.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill Paley was a shrewd businessman, that was true. He was obviously still sore after his CBS Color System (a truly impractical mechanical color system) was ditched after the FCC rescinded its' decision denoting CBS Color as THE system. But he also eventually knew that NTSC/NBC color was here to stay. The Philadelphia KYW/WCAU situation was one of the benchmarks for CBS making the switch to full-color. They say...."If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". Wise choice. Leonard Goldenson over at ABC saw the writing on the wall as well that color was integral for his network's future success. ABC was always the perennial third place finisher, year in, year out. Eventually, they would have the last laugh within the next 10 years. --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > We have to remember why ABC and CBS were late to the > color conversion > game. In the case of ABC it was money as the network > was not doing > well in the early 60's. They did buy an old NBC > color truck to do NBA > games and they were still using the TK 41's as late > as 1970. > > Money wasn't an issue with CBS but Paley just did > not want to deal > with RCA. CBS did buy RCA gear for WCAU in Philly > only because they > were forced into it when KYW set us shop in full > color. > > Finally in 1965 Phillips (Norelco) developed color > equipment that was > as good if not better than RCA and CBS became their > biggest customer. > They also made the mistake of buying Marconi color > gear for studios in > NY. > > ABC then heavily bought both GE and Norelco gear > also trying to avoid RCA. > > The Boston stations were heavily RCA as Channels 5, > 4 and 56 went with Camden. > > 7 and 38 went with GE and 2 with Marconi as did WXPO > later. > > Norelco did not hit Boston until WCVB arrived in 72. > > 9 went with IVC finally. > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 22 11:37:19 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:37:19 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <605221.54485.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E2B686.3030903@fybush.com> <4fc429770803201223h57b932c7l9c3d0e19c84e3eab@mail.gmail.com> <001501c88ac6$f9329aa0$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770803201335p79f65dc4sa456235c137b181e@mail.gmail.com> <000501c88ace$94d0ff40$faeda644@SatU205S5044> <075601c88ad3$12855680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803201511w5242ff30x86917effbf73a728@mail.gmail.com> <004801c88c17$a92c7a60$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803220651n1dbfdcc6lb563c8670b90c203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <090401c88c32$9dc4e840$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I used to own a large collection of early TV Guides, dating from 1953 to around 1958. (Don't I wish I still had them: some are now worth over $800 each.) The earliest ones listed WMUR-TV as CBS affiliate. I don't know when the switch to ABC was made, but as I said, I can't recall when it was not an ABC station (I started watching Uncle Gus around 1960 or so). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: WMUR > If WMUR was CBS it was very brief because by 1955 they were pretty > much ABC and the primary source for ABC in Boston until channel 5 came > along. My folks watched Lawrence Welk on 9 which for some reason was > not picked up in Boston. > > What is totally forgotten is at one point WMUR also had a radio > station that would become WGIR. In fact you could see the WMUR call > letters on the WGIR transmitter unit. Governor Murphy died in 1959 and > I think that is when radio and TV split. I don't know if radio was > ever done at 1819 Elm but I tend to doubt it as there wasn't any room > to speak of but that was before my time. > > 1819 was at one point the home of Governor Murphy and we found a lot > of old political junk in the attic including a Mc Kinley-Roosevelt > banner we moved to the projection room. > > Also 1819 was the office of the artist who drew the Archie comic strip > who rented out a space upstairs. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 12:14:04 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:14:04 -0400 Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E5304C.1050706@gmail.com> Peter Q. George wrote: > ABC did do some very limited color broadcasts in the > early-1960's. "The Jetsons" and "The Flintstones" > were broadcast in color in 1962, in prime-time. > ABC's "Wide World Of Sports" had a few color segments > in the 1963 season. Who noticed?! We were a monochromatic family until 1974. Uphill. Both ways. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 12:38:56 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR Message-ID: <860122.49518.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I remember WMUR showing the 3rd hour of GMA back in the 70s. IIRC that was actually the 2nd hour for Mountain and Pacific time zone affiliates so that they wouldn't have stale news. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Watson To: Kevin Vahey ; Doug Drown Cc: Boston Radio Interest ; Dan.Strassberg Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:24:22 AM Subject: Re: WMUR Kevin Vahey wrote: > How cheap were they? > > In 1968 on election night the station GM declared Nixon won at 1 AM so > he would not have to pay OT. Channel 9 was six hours ahead of the > networks. > > He also would not air Joey Bishop late nights and we ran old reruns of > People Are Funny and went off the air at Midnight. Prior to the debut of "Good Morning America" in 1975 or 1976, ABC didn't start feeding daily network programming till 11:00. IIRC WMUR didn't sign on until 10:45 weekdays with the booth announcer doing a rip & read wire copy newscast (audio only, with a slide showing the word "News" on the screen the whole time) then the network show at 11. Did WMUR sign on at 7 to clear "GMA" from the start? I know on Saturdays they signed on at 8:00 as they cleared ABCs cartoon/kids shows, and Sundays they signed on at 7:00 or 8:00 to run religious programs. Mark Watson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 13:17:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:17:01 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the Clown and then ABC cartoons. Sunday they ran some very strange religious shows. The one I remember most was AA Allen who did a miracle healing show from a tent in Arizona. Wrestling, roller derby and games from TVS also filled time. Sunday would also bring in the guy from Saladmaster crashing pans every week but the crew ate well. Sam even tried to get away with running local news from WABC for awhile on Sunday night. That lasted about a month. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 13:31:45 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:31:45 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E54281.1080400@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the Clown and then ABC cartoons. Thanks to Uncle Gus, I didn't confuse Alabama & Georgia on the map. Hey, that counts for something, doesn't it? [boink!] Bill O' From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 13:49:00 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27594.86481.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the > Clown and then ABC cartoons. > > Sunday they ran some very strange religious shows. > The one I remember > most was AA Allen who did a miracle healing show > from a tent in > Arizona. > > Wrestling, roller derby and games from TVS also > filled time. > > Sunday would also bring in the guy from Saladmaster > crashing pans > every week but the crew ate well. > > Sam even tried to get away with running local news > from WABC for > awhile on Sunday night. That lasted about a month. When were they running local news from WABC-TV on Sunday nights? Just curious. I'm sure that confused a few people in the Boston market wondering why the news from Channel 7 in New York found itself on Channel 9 in Manchester, NH, considering that there was already an ABC affiliate on Boston's Channel 7. But with FCC requirements stipulating news and information programming (even on Sundays), this was a easy way of doing just that (directly from the network feed, which usually just ran the local O&O during non-network times). A little bit of treat, actually, with the news coming from WABC-TV.... I'm sure it was in color. Until 1973, WMUR-TV had no live local color. WABC-TV went full local color in '66. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 14:07:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:07:14 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <27594.86481.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> <27594.86481.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803221107l40b1c6a0o2de9126628b1bf89@mail.gmail.com> Winter of 69 was the WABC experiment. It sust came down the line. ABC wasn't as bad as CBS in those days as they actually went to black during local breaks unlike CBS which just fed WCBS....you had a half second from the WCBS slide going to black and the bong to join net clean. MUR allowed me to go to college and they even took me back after a lot of the staff fled to WXPO. A few of us also worked at WSMW. Looking back I wonder how I put all those miles on the car and when did I sleep. What I earned most at WMUR was how to improvise. We tried our best to look professional given what we had to work with. On 3/22/08, Peter Q. George wrote: > > --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the > > Clown and then ABC cartoons. > > > > Sunday they ran some very strange religious shows. > > The one I remember > > most was AA Allen who did a miracle healing show > > from a tent in > > Arizona. > > > > Wrestling, roller derby and games from TVS also > > filled time. > > > > Sunday would also bring in the guy from Saladmaster > > crashing pans > > every week but the crew ate well. > > > > Sam even tried to get away with running local news > > from WABC for > > awhile on Sunday night. That lasted about a month. > > When were they running local news from WABC-TV on > Sunday nights? Just curious. I'm sure that confused a > few people in the Boston market wondering why the news > from Channel 7 in New York found itself on Channel 9 > in Manchester, NH, considering that there was already > an ABC affiliate on Boston's Channel 7. But with FCC > requirements stipulating news and information > programming (even on Sundays), this was a easy way of > doing just that (directly from the network feed, which > usually just ran the local O&O during non-network > times). A little bit of treat, actually, with the > news coming from WABC-TV.... I'm sure it was in color. > Until 1973, WMUR-TV had no live local color. WABC-TV > went full local color in '66. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 14:34:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:34:08 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? Message-ID: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying Sox games WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. This can't be right. Manchester is WKBR Nashua WGAM and one station outside of New England...KJAX in Jackson, WYOMING????????? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Mar 22 14:39:48 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:48 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? > The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying Sox > games > WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. > > This can't be right. It is. They are all owned by JJ Jeffrey. WJAE, WJAB, and WJJB are his Big Jab Stations. They have had the Sox for several years. Last year, they added WLOB, which gives them much better coverage in inland and western Maine. The Big Jab stations cover the Portland to Brunswick areas, but not much else. WLOB has a killer signal. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 22 14:51:23 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:51:23 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080321161711.187e0688@oldradio.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080321161711.187e0688@oldradio.com> Message-ID: <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been ages since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very well-informed and very down-to earth... Similarly, do any of you recall Michael Jackson-- not the weird singer but the talk show host with the British accent? I am working on a book about talk shows, as many of you know, and there are a couple of facts I need to nail down... . I only vaguely recall Jackson--- he was syndicated for a while, and when I heard him, he seemed to be a very civilized and literate talker-- no screaming or outrage. Reminded me of Brudnoy a little bit, although I think their politics were different. Am I recalling correctly? From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 22 15:22:03 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:22:03 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Gene Burns was (and I assume still is?) an unabashed Libertarian (Capital L). He was my 10A-2P program in the WRKO talk heydays.... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH Small L libertarian -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:51 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been ages since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very well-informed and very down-to earth... Similarly, do any of you recall Michael Jackson-- not the weird singer but the talk show host with the British accent? I am working on a book about talk shows, as many of you know, and there are a couple of facts I need to nail down... . I only vaguely recall Jackson--- he was syndicated for a while, and when I heard him, he seemed to be a very civilized and literate talker-- no screaming or outrage. Reminded me of Brudnoy a little bit, although I think their politics were different. Am I recalling correctly? From billohno@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:30:57 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:30:57 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080321161711.187e0688@oldradio.com> <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47E55E71.8010301@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would > you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying > to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been ages > since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very > well-informed and very down-to earth... Burns was a self-proclaimed Libertarian. He was clearly outspoken on issues of personal responsibility. He had a rough spot for anyone who spoke of their faith (e.g., felt bad for anyone who said, "but for the grace of God go I." That would put Gene into conniptions every time.) Despite his temper tantrums and through them all he was quite enjoyable to listen to. Burns was formatically, construct-wise, near-perfect, ran the tightest clock, and sold the calls and station better than anyone I'd ever heard. And he was a stickler for 'transiting the meridian and entering the afternoon incarnation" of [the show]. Bill O'Neill // From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 22 15:43:02 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:43:02 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <47E55E71.8010301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c88c54$f1a0fc20$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> I remember that if he did a time check at 10:10 (rare), 11:11 or 12:12, he'd call it a "fun time natural" IIRC. He always "Transited the Meridian" at 12:00 N as well..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:31 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson Donna Halper wrote: > What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would > you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying > to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been ages > since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very > well-informed and very down-to earth... Burns was a self-proclaimed Libertarian. He was clearly outspoken on issues of personal responsibility. He had a rough spot for anyone who spoke of their faith (e.g., felt bad for anyone who said, "but for the grace of God go I." That would put Gene into conniptions every time.) Despite his temper tantrums and through them all he was quite enjoyable to listen to. Burns was formatically, construct-wise, near-perfect, ran the tightest clock, and sold the calls and station better than anyone I'd ever heard. And he was a stickler for 'transiting the meridian and entering the afternoon incarnation" of [the show]. Bill O'Neill // From atolz@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 15:25:09 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:25:09 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson References: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Paul is correct. Gene is now on KGO in San Francicso. We spoke with him a while back to interview him for "Burning up the Air", and he was very gracious with his time and effusive praise of Jerry Williams. Alan Tolz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Donna Halper'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: RE: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson > Gene Burns was (and I assume still is?) an unabashed Libertarian (Capital > L). He was my 10A-2P program in the WRKO talk heydays.... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > Small L libertarian > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:51 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson > > What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would > you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying > to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been > ages since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very > well-informed and very down-to earth... > > Similarly, do any of you recall Michael Jackson-- not the weird > singer but the talk show host with the British accent? I am working > on a book about talk shows, as many of you know, and there are a > couple of facts I need to nail down... . I only vaguely recall > Jackson--- he was syndicated for a while, and when I heard him, he > seemed to be a very civilized and literate talker-- no screaming or > outrage. Reminded me of Brudnoy a little bit, although I think their > politics were different. Am I recalling correctly? > > From billohno@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:46:05 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:46:05 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <47E561FD.9000400@gmail.com> Alan Tolz wrote: > Paul is correct. Gene is now on KGO in San Francicso. We spoke with > him a while back to interview him for "Burning up the Air", and he was > very gracious with his time and effusive praise of Jerry Williams. Gene did his final WRKO show from the State House (Doric Hall, iirc). I dropped by there during lunch and the place was packed with listener/fans. Jerry had arrived there quite early and quietly hung out with the crowd and sat with Gene (mostly off-mic, unnannounced). He went on with Gene, briefly, but it was clear that Jerry was just hanging out there for support of a friend. Up until that point, I had assumed there was tension between the two, not sure why I had that impression. That day was a turning-point for WRKO. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Mar 22 15:47:27 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:47:27 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080321161711.187e0688@oldradio.com> <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <6954D5FA1CB84D82ACFAE96A814B708C@DanBillingsPC> I enjoyed Gene at WRKO. He was a Libertarian. Didn't he run for office as a member of the Libertarian Party? When he went national, there seemed to be something missing. I could never put my finger on it, but it wasn't the same. When I was in college, in the late 1980's, 1440 in Portland was talk. They carried a syndicated network that I think was run by ABC and Michael Jackson was the mid-day host. It has been awhile since I have given him any thought. This was the pre-Rush era when the host was not the center of attention. I remember that Jackson let the show be driven by the topics and the guests, not his own opinions. I think he was generally liberal, but not in an obnoxious Air America way. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 22 15:25:26 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:25:26 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c88c52$7c046990$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> The must have printed the guide before Absolute Broadcast changed the calls... Now WGAM Manchester and WGHM Nashua I'm surprised there's no Florida stations....I would think at least Ft Myers would carry the Sox... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:34 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying Sox games WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. This can't be right. Manchester is WKBR Nashua WGAM and one station outside of New England...KJAX in Jackson, WYOMING????????? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Mar 22 15:51:36 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <47E561FD.9000400@gmail.com> References: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036><000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <47E561FD.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1106EAE89119447994337CEC9D55044F@DanBillingsPC> The WRKO lineup of Janet & Ted, Gene Burns, and Jerry Williams was classic. Janet & Ted did the liberal/conservative co-host act as well as anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson > That day was a turning-point for WRKO. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 22 14:53:47 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:53:47 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <096e01c88c4e$101d1be0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >WLOB has a killer signal. Killer signal indeed --- from south of Portland all the way to Bangor, and then some. It's the "local" talk station in our area, and we're 120 miles away. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox radio in Portland? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:34 PM > Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? > > >> The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying Sox >> games >> WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. >> >> This can't be right. > > It is. They are all owned by JJ Jeffrey. > > WJAE, WJAB, and WJJB are his Big Jab Stations. They have had the Sox for > several years. > > Last year, they added WLOB, which gives them much better coverage in > inland and western Maine. The Big Jab stations cover the Portland to > Brunswick areas, but not much else. WLOB has a killer signal. > > From billohno@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:57:00 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <1106EAE89119447994337CEC9D55044F@DanBillingsPC> References: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036><000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <47E561FD.9000400@gmail.com> <1106EAE89119447994337CEC9D55044F@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <47E5648C.3040800@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > The WRKO lineup of Janet & Ted, Gene Burns, and Jerry Williams was > classic. > > Janet & Ted did the liberal/conservative co-host act as well as anyone. ...and still managed to keep it respectful & listenable. b - From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 16:00:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:00:14 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <001001c88c52$0353ce50$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <000b01c88c52$720d72b0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <4fc429770803221300s15ebc1e1n8ec065c19376b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Alan's book mentioned that Gene had been on WEEI before they went all news and I simply do not recall those days. He never insulted callers but instead would happily let idiots dig their own grave. The day he left WRKO began to die. Someday somebody at Entercom will finally figure out that most listerners just have deleted WRKO off their presets because of Rush and Savage. Gene also likes food. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 22 16:14:46 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221300s15ebc1e1n8ec065c19376b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c88c59$61332960$9cbd3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> More because of the local vs. national than anything else. I think there's something to be said for having a local show, and WTKK being all local from 9AM-10PM doesn't hurt them.. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: kvahey@gmail.com [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:00 PM To: Alan Tolz Cc: paul@derrynh.net; Donna Halper; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson Alan's book mentioned that Gene had been on WEEI before they went all news and I simply do not recall those days. He never insulted callers but instead would happily let idiots dig their own grave. The day he left WRKO began to die. Someday somebody at Entercom will finally figure out that most listerners just have deleted WRKO off their presets because of Rush and Savage. Gene also likes food. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 16:28:55 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:28:55 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson In-Reply-To: <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080321161711.187e0688@oldradio.com> <20080322185031.45CF61E43AF@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0803221328o1bd9edddsdc0d589d983fff43@mail.gmail.com> Gene was on with Morgan White Jr. (in for Steve Leveille) last week. Libertarian is what many may call him and he mentioned that back in the 80s he ran for the Libertarian nomination for President. He may be like Dennis Miller in some ways (or even me)--conservative in some ways, lib/moderate in others ("I have no problem with Larry marrying Steve but if an Islamofascist wanted to firebomb their wedding, then I'd have a problem with that"). Phil Hendrie may also be of the same ilk; perhaps what Democrats used to be before their more conservative members opted out (or at least became independents). What's curious btw about the current election is that despite conservatives allegedly controlling the GOP, the nominee is John McCain, whom many on the right call "liberal" or "Republican in Name Only". It will be interesting to see what happens in the final election--will the GOP "base" stay home, and I won't even get into what could happen on the Democratic side depending on whom is nominated...anyway... Jackson may still be on in L.A. Have heard tapes of him. Veddy British. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:37:39 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:37:39 +0100 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Gene Burns, Michael Jackson Message-ID: <47E56003.7040405@Gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote, > Similarly, do any of you recall Michael Jackson-- not the > weird singer but the talk show host with the British > accent? I am working on a book about talk shows, as many > of you know, and there are a couple of facts I need to nail > down... . I only vaguely recall Jackson--- he was syndicated > for a while, and when I heard him, he seemed to be a very > civilized and literate talker-- no screaming or outrage. > Reminded me of Brudnoy a little bit, although I think their > politics were different. Am I recalling correctly? Judge for yourself??I guess he's on KGIL, which streams, out in LA: http://www.1260.am/programming/hosts/bios/?host=2 He also has a webpage (though it's a bit stale): http://www.michaeljacksontalkradio.com ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 22 16:55:11 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:55:11 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E5722F.80402@fybush.com> Dan Billings wrote: >> The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying >> Sox games >> WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. >> >> This can't be right. > > It is. They are all owned by JJ Jeffrey. Well, it's ALMOST right - of course, there isn't actually a WJAB in Portland and hasn't been for many a decade. Those calls are held by a noncommercial FM in Huntsville, Alabama (though I hear JJ has tried to get them back from time to time.) So the combination of WJAE 1440 Portland, WJJB 900 Brunswick and WJJB-FM 95.5 Topsham is "The Big Jab," known on-air as "WJAB" even though it doesn't really have those calls. Except that 900 just changed calls from WJJB to WWBK, and 1440 will apparently soon change from WJAE to WJJB. Confused yet? Let me tell you which Sox games will be on 680 and which ones will be on 850... :-) s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 17:11:44 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:11:44 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <47E5722F.80402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <03e201c88c61$55214820$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > >> The Sox media guide lists the following Portland stations as carrying > >> Sox games > >> WJAE WJAB WJJB and WLOB plus WLOB-FM Rumford. > >> > >> This can't be right. > > > > It is. They are all owned by JJ Jeffrey. > > Well, it's ALMOST right - of course, there isn't actually a WJAB in > Portland and hasn't been for many a decade. Those calls are held by a > noncommercial FM in Huntsville, Alabama (though I hear JJ has tried to > get them back from time to time.) > > So the combination of WJAE 1440 Portland, WJJB 900 Brunswick and WJJB-FM > 95.5 Topsham is "The Big Jab," known on-air as "WJAB" even though it > doesn't really have those calls. > > Except that 900 just changed calls from WJJB to WWBK, and 1440 will > apparently soon change from WJAE to WJJB. > > Confused yet? Let me tell you which Sox games will be on 680 and which > ones will be on 850... :-) Last year, I observed all 3 "Big Jab" stations, plus 96.3 running the Red Sox, on a weeknight. 1310 was running Michael Savage. I believe on weekends, 1310 joins in. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 18:16:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:16:04 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <47E5722F.80402@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> <47E5722F.80402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803221516j1f15fa1fw14466009a9df93c4@mail.gmail.com> The Wyoming station fascinates me. KJAX doesn't seem to have a web presence. The list doesn't include CKGM Montreal which carried Sox games last year along with Yankees. A Montreal station would never clear Toronto. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Mar 22 18:21:15 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:21:15 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221516j1f15fa1fw14466009a9df93c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03ed01c88c6b$0b80aa30$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > The Wyoming station fascinates me. KJAX doesn't seem to have a web > presence. This story pretty much explains the Jackson, WY connection to the Sox: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1637334 Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Mar 22 20:40:39 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:40:39 -0400 Subject: Bob Dyk dies Message-ID: Former ABC network correspondent and longtime Maine broadcaster Robert "Bob" Peder Dyk died of cancer at his Falmouth home today. He was 71. http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/024124.html From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 22:12:30 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:12:30 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <03be01c88c03$c999ceb0$0200a8c0@Office> References: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com>, <03be01c88c03$c999ceb0$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <47E5844E.21644.747337@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Mar 2008 at 6:02, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > The last network show on CBS to switch to color in 1966 was Lost in > Space - Irwin Allen wanted to shoot the 1965 first season of the show > in color but 20th Century Fox said it would cost too much (since the > show was, at the time, the most expensive show ever filmed) - a > decision that hurts the show today in syndication sales. They could colorize it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 22:12:30 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:12:30 -0400 Subject: WMUR/WXPO and CBS (Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E5844E.10810.747480@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Mar 2008 at 6:55, Peter Q. George wrote: > There was some talk about WMUR (Channel 9) being > originally a CBS affiliate and eventually a full-time > ABC affiliate. Not being around at the time of WMUR's > premiere, I cannot prove or disprove it. I guess the way to check this out would be to look at newspaper archives in the public library. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 22:12:30 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:12:30 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47E5844E.27244.74755A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Mar 2008 at 8:29, Doug Drown wrote: > WMUR was originally a CBS affiliate that I believe had a secondary ABC > affiliation. I'm not sure when that changed, but I remember the > station from the late '50s and it was an ABC affiliate by then. -Doug My family returned to the Boston area in May 1957, and WMUR was an ABC affiliate by then. When we moved to the Albany area in 1953, WMUR wasn't on the air yet. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 22 22:12:31 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:12:31 -0400 Subject: WMUR/WXPO and CBS (Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803220729n3a10c413t1b6cde17573a37de@mail.gmail.com> References: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770803220729n3a10c413t1b6cde17573a37de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E5844F.3674.74771F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Mar 2008 at 10:29, Kevin Vahey wrote: > CBS was also looking at moving 50 to the old WHDH-TV tower and making > it WEEI-TV. CBS wanted nothing to do with RKO General but was stuck > with them in 72. I guess that would explain why CBS moved to channel 5 around 1961. I always wondered about that. Why did CBS want nothing to do with RKO General? Was it related in any way to why RKO General eventually lost the license for channel 7? > 15 years later 21 would become a CBS affiliate but it was doomed as > they had problems getting put on cable clusters in southern NH > especially with Warner Cable. Tom Flatley was not used to losing money > and he literally pulled the plug with no warning to the staff. I don't think 21 is on Boston-area cable even now, though 50 is. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 22 22:46:11 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:46:11 -0400 Subject: WMUR/WXPO and CBS (Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <47E5844F.3674.74771F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <08df01c88c18$6b2304e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <307215.63531.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803220729n3a10c413t1b6cde17573a37de@mail.gmail.com> <47E5844F.3674.74771F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 10:12 PM -0400 3/22/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I don't think 21 is on Boston-area cable even now, though 50 is. There is no reason for 21 to be on Boston-area cable, since their programming is simply a relay of channel 68. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kwillcox@wnsh.com Sat Mar 22 23:43:10 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:43:10 -0400 Subject: Burns and Jackson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803230343.m2N3hLZ1005036@tsornin.bostonradio.org> At 03:49 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote: >What do you nice folks recall about the Gene Burns show? How would >you classify him-- rightie, moderate, liberal, or what? I am trying >to find an adjective or two that describes his show but it's been >ages since I've heard him. My recollection is that he was very >well-informed and very down-to earth... > >Similarly, do any of you recall Michael Jackson-- not the weird >singer but the talk show host with the British accent? I am working >on a book about talk shows, as many of you know, and there are a >couple of facts I need to nail down... . I only vaguely recall >Jackson--- he was syndicated for a while, and when I heard him, he >seemed to be a very civilized and literate talker-- no screaming or >outrage. Reminded me of Brudnoy a little bit, although I think >their politics were different. Am I recalling correctly? Gene Burns was an active Libertarian, always wanting the vote totals for Libertarian candidates to be announced during election coverage. Both he and Jackson had great shows. Brudnoy was a very prolix show, in the style of William F Buckley. We have been blessed by having such talented voices on our airwaves. Again a reminder, John Bachelor, the best of all, is now available Sun PM on ABC and later on a CA station, both available on the internet. John still has his amazing music, best in the business. Keating Willcox From kwillcox@wnsh.com Sat Mar 22 23:52:44 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:52:44 -0400 Subject: the nasty dance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> At 10:46 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote: >What's curious btw about the current election is that despite >conservatives allegedly controlling the GOP, the nominee is John >McCain, whom many on the right call "liberal" or "Republican in Name Only". >It will be interesting to see what happens in the final election--will the GOP >"base" stay home, and I won't even get into what could happen on the >Democratic >side depending on whom is nominated...anyway... Ahh the nasty dance of the GOP.. Ike vs. "Mr Republican", Goldwater vs Scranton, Bush vs Reagan, and now Romney vs McCain. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. McCain is favored by business and might expect hundreds of millions of soft money from corporations. Voters will like a Democrat House and Senate and A GOP president. Obama is the candidate and could win easily. He needs to go every week to a new issue and provide a complete plan to solve its problems, with decisive and frugal legislation. He needs to use radio to get his ideas to the people. He needs to remind people that President Bush has been very good to his friends, the oil industry ( oil went from $24 to $110) the pharma industry ( immense profits), and big agriculture (ethanol, pro-illegal immegration). Will Obama be able to explain and repudiate these "friends" and all their campaign money? I think radio is the perfect medium for him to get his message out. Keating Willcox From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 23 00:10:11 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:10:11 -0400 Subject: the nasty dance In-Reply-To: <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <18405.55331.572805.713928@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Ahh the nasty dance of the GOP.. Hey, everybody... reminder time: this list is about broadcasting, not politics. -GAWollman From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 22 19:04:38 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:04:38 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47e59092.2536640a.52ab.ffff8955@mx.google.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >This can't be right. > >Manchester is WKBR 1250 in Manchester isn't WKBR anymore. The calls changed sometime in the last year, not sure what the new calls are. Last I knew the WKBR calls were associated with a CP for an AM in Lancaster, N.H. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Mar 23 00:54:36 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:54:36 -0400 Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803220759s1d4292e4p185f06a8187c195a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803220759s1d4292e4p185f06a8187c195a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E5E28C.3060904@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > 7 and 38 went with GE and 2 with Marconi as did WXPO later. > I thought WXPO used Panasonic Color cameras in their "Main Studio" in Windham, NH? IIRC, the Panasonic mechanical color wheel (gee, just like the CBS system) which was WXPO's logo. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 23 01:24:53 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:24:53 -0400 Subject: the nasty dance In-Reply-To: <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: , , <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <47E5B165.19267.61DEFE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Mar 2008 at 23:52, Keating Willcox wrote: > I think radio is the perfect medium for him to get his message out. It once was, but I'm not sure it is now. People won't listen to speeches with a lot of comprehensive, specific programs. As John Kerry found out. People want the kind of inspiring generalities that Obama has been giving them. That, of course, results in criticism from the other candidates that he's short on specifics -- they are too, of course. Campaigns traditionally have position papers on various issues, which some people interested in particular issues may even bother to read. Now the position papers are on the Internet, with all the details that a political campaign, without access to the government's planning resources can come up with. Nixon had a better idea in 1968. He used radio speeches to discuss particular topics in detail. It was a good idea, and it worked for him. But it wasn't because people listened to radio, it was because other media covered it. The text of his speeches appeared in the New York Times. Summaries or excerpts, or sometimes the full text, appeared in other papers, and there were summaries on the evening news shows. Would that happen today? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 07:32:31 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:32:31 -0500 Subject: ABC and color (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <47E5E28C.3060904@ttlc.net> References: <47E462D3.6196.81DB58@joe.attorneyross.com> <961424.45212.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803220759s1d4292e4p185f06a8187c195a@mail.gmail.com> <47E5E28C.3060904@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803230432l74539923y453312190162c1db@mail.gmail.com> The 'main studio' used Ampex color. Ampex-Grass Valley was the supplier and they also provided the Marconis On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > 7 and 38 went with GE and 2 with Marconi as did WXPO later. > > > I thought WXPO used Panasonic Color cameras in their "Main Studio" in > Windham, NH? > > IIRC, the Panasonic mechanical color wheel (gee, just like the CBS > system) which was WXPO's logo. > > > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 08:37:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:37:43 -0400 Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right Message-ID: <4fc429770803230537n46a130cfgcea9613a50dd43d0@mail.gmail.com> It is very strange to hear Joe Castileone at 7 AM saying 'and after 4 innings..Yomiuri 2 Boston 0. and Scott the game is on both EEI and RKO Happy Easter From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 09:27:19 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:27:19 -0400 Subject: the nasty dance In-Reply-To: <47E5B165.19267.61DEFE@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , , <200803230352.m2N3qspg005114@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <47E5B165.19267.61DEFE@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000c01c88ce9$9fa6b370$def41a50$@net> Two quick points about Obama and radio ads: First, despite talk radio's right-leaning formats, Obama could gain votes by targeting his message in different states with hard-hitting radio spots. Radio is such a hot medium that 30 and 60 second sound bites about the economic upheaval that is going on could influence voters who might not otherwise vote for him. There are conservatives out there who are losing their homes, feeling the bite of oil and food prices, and could be convinced to abandon their voter registration leanings. Plus, if John McCain keeps talking about being in Iraq for 100 years and doesn't address the economy in a serious way, he's doomed IMHFO. As it is, the country is split in half so it is either candidate's game - assuming Hillary doesn't steal the nom from Obama. Obama is also polling well with registered Republicans in some states. He beat Hillary handily in a slew of red state caucuses. There are votes there for him in the general. If he could get even as little 1 percent of the Limboob/Inannity audience in places like Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, and even Virginia, and hold the Dems, he'll win those states easily. Second point: Joe McGinniss wrote this great book which I think is required reading for anyone involved in politics or media called "The Selling of the President: 1968." He walks the reader through the entire media campaign strategy of how Nixon was able to target voters. The same could be done for Obama. I will say that if Obama has political people - and not radio people - putting together the spots, it won't work. The political people will get all gushy with issues and load too much in. The ads have to be quick and emotional. Talk radio people get that. Hillary's radio spots in NH were quite good. Even I gave her second thoughts after listening to a bunch of them over a period of weeks. Then I shook it off like the guy whose head bobbles around in the Warner Brothers cartoons, realizing it was Hillary and I could never vote for her. But I was also surprised to hear some of Hillary's spots advertised during Limboob/Inannity on WGIR. When I heard them I thought, Why is she advertising these here? No one listening to these shows is going to vote for her. But, I was wrong. While Obama pulled in the lefty latte highly-educated crowd in the leafy suburbs; Hillary got the cities, the Wal-Mart crowds and middle aged women in the southern part of the state. The radio strategy worked: There were undecideds of every walk of life who listened to those shows and clearly were influenced by the ads to vote for Hillary. [Just as an aside, Ron Paul had ads everywhere, including WHOM; Giuliani also had some spots; Duncan Hunter did some on WTPL] Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:25 AM To: Keating Willcox Cc: boston Radio Interest Board Subject: Re: the nasty dance On 22 Mar 2008 at 23:52, Keating Willcox wrote: > I think radio is the perfect medium for him to get his message out. It once was, but I'm not sure it is now. People won't listen to speeches with a lot of comprehensive, specific programs. As John Kerry found out. People want the kind of inspiring generalities that Obama has been giving them. That, of course, results in criticism from the other candidates that he's short on specifics -- they are too, of course. Campaigns traditionally have position papers on various issues, which some people interested in particular issues may even bother to read. Now the position papers are on the Internet, with all the details that a political campaign, without access to the government's planning resources can come up with. Nixon had a better idea in 1968. He used radio speeches to discuss particular topics in detail. It was a good idea, and it worked for him. But it wasn't because people listened to radio, it was because other media covered it. The text of his speeches appeared in the New York Times. Summaries or excerpts, or sometimes the full text, appeared in other papers, and there were summaries on the evening news shows. Would that happen today? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 23 09:54:05 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:54:05 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <47e59092.2536640a.52ab.ffff8955@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770803221134h4c4b61d8xaa1ab3d5e403e14b@mail.gmail.com>, <47e59092.2536640a.52ab.ffff8955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8F3C8DB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>1250 in Manchester isn't WKBR anymore. The calls changed sometime in the last year, not sure what the new calls are. << WGAM. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From hmadjid@gmail.com Sun Mar 23 12:21:35 2008 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:21:35 -0400 Subject: Article on WRUL in The Boston Courant Message-ID: In the latest issue of the Boston Courant [it's that freebie Back Bay weekly], dated March 22, 2008, there is an article on WW II era shortwave broadcaster WRUL. It's on page 14. To the best of my knowledge, the paper does *NOT* have a web site, so you have to pick up a hard copy. 73, DE Hakim, (N1ZFF) From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sun Mar 23 12:24:36 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:24:36 -0400 Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right Message-ID: <380-220083023162436781@ix.netcom.com> wow, I have to wonder how many Red Sox fans realized the proper time & actually tuned in? Happy Easter to all; may the egg hunts provide the adults with amusement, watching the kids! Bob > [Original Message] > From: Kevin Vahey > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Date: 3/23/2008 8:41:29 AM > Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right > > It is very strange to hear Joe Castileone at 7 AM saying 'and after 4 > innings..Yomiuri 2 Boston 0. > > and Scott the game is on both EEI and RKO > > Happy Easter From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 12:49:58 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:49:58 -0400 Subject: Article on WRUL in The Boston Courant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001c88d05$ee27ae70$ca770b50$@net> I worked for the newspaper for a six month stint in 2000. They own the domain name but they have nothing up on the Web. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Hakim Madjid Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:22 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: Article on WRUL in The Boston Courant In the latest issue of the Boston Courant [it's that freebie Back Bay weekly], dated March 22, 2008, there is an article on WW II era shortwave broadcaster WRUL. It's on page 14. To the best of my knowledge, the paper does *NOT* have a web site, so you have to pick up a hard copy. 73, DE Hakim, (N1ZFF) From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 23 13:34:30 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:34:30 -0400 Subject: Article on WRUL in The Boston Courant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E694A6.6090003@fybush.com> Hakim Madjid wrote: > In the latest issue of the Boston Courant [it's that freebie Back Bay > weekly], dated March 22, 2008, there is an article on WW II era > shortwave broadcaster WRUL. It's on page 14. To the best of my > knowledge, the paper does *NOT* have a web site, so you have to pick > up a hard copy. > > 73, DE Hakim, (N1ZFF) > For those of us without easy access to paper boxes in the Back Bay...anyone able to grab a copy and scan it? :-) s From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 23 13:41:07 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:41:07 -0400 Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right In-Reply-To: <380-220083023162436781@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220083023162436781@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <47E69633.2070108@fybush.com> Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > wow, I have to wonder how many Red Sox fans realized > the proper time & actually tuned in? Dunno...but my alarm is already set for 5:45 Tuesday morning so I can get up for the regular-season opener...on ESPN2 here outside NESN territory. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 13:54:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:54:45 -0400 Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right In-Reply-To: <47E69633.2070108@fybush.com> References: <380-220083023162436781@ix.netcom.com> <47E69633.2070108@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803231054l5f3d1665kd1feb70b1a322af8@mail.gmail.com> Amazing what we take for granted now. The feed from Japan sounded as good as if they were at Fenway. I will never understand why Entercom doesn't put the Sox on WWKB at night as it would fill up most holes in the network at night and somebody might actually listen to 1520. They would have at least one loyal listerner in Rochester. On 3/23/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > > wow, I have to wonder how many Red Sox fans realized > > the proper time & actually tuned in? > > Dunno...but my alarm is already set for 5:45 Tuesday morning so I can > get up for the regular-season opener...on ESPN2 here outside NESN > territory. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 23 13:58:29 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:58:29 -0400 Subject: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803231054l5f3d1665kd1feb70b1a322af8@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-220083023162436781@ix.netcom.com> <47E69633.2070108@fybush.com> <4fc429770803231054l5f3d1665kd1feb70b1a322af8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E69A45.9@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Amazing what we take for granted now. The feed from Japan sounded as > good as if they were at Fenway. > > I will never understand why Entercom doesn't put the Sox on WWKB at > night as it would fill up most holes in the network at night and > somebody might actually listen to 1520. > > They would have at least one loyal listerner in Rochester. > Funny thing about 1520 - it's often much more listenable at night in, say, Springfield or Worcester than it is here in Rochester. We're right at the not-so-sweet spot where KB's considerable groundwave interacts with short skywave (~ 75 miles), and it's often a messy hash at night. My personal quest has been to get Entercom to put the Sox on its little 1 kW teapot here in town, WROC 950, which runs an automated progressive talk lineup similar to KB's, with similarly nonexistent ratings. Walk around our ballpark here on a nice summer evening and you'll see just as many Red Sox hats and T-shirts (if not more, sometimes) than Yankees...yet the Yankees get massive radio, TV and newspaper coverage here and we Sox fans have to settle for table scraps and WTIC skywave...sigh... s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 22:00:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:00:20 -0400 Subject: Uncle T Message-ID: <4fc429770803231900r1fe20f13ofb6c320e27e1941b@mail.gmail.com> When the history of Boston radio is finally written how do we remember Uncle T? He developed the counter culture audience on WTBS that allowed a bar owner to convince the owners of WBCN to give rock on FM a chance. T imploded with the fame and I would be shocked if he is still alive but he spawned so many voices 40 years ago. What did happen to him? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 23 22:57:21 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:57:21 -0400 Subject: Uncle T In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803231900r1fe20f13ofb6c320e27e1941b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770803231900r1fe20f13ofb6c320e27e1941b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080324025630.5BFDB1B4052@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 10:00 PM 3/23/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >When the history of Boston radio is finally written how do we >remember Uncle T? I loved listening to him. He used to call his board the "T-pot." I always love a good pun!!! Tom Gamache. Wish I knew what happened to him, as I found a couple of articles about him in my files. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 24 00:00:56 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:00:56 -0400 Subject: Old WCLZ building gone Message-ID: <9015BC3BB51C4936A28BF0F75B67D202@DanBillingsPC> Scott Fybush reports in the latest North East Radio Watch that the building that used to host the studios of WCLZ came down last week. http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#me I spent many hours in that building during my three tours of duty at WCLZ. It was the first radio station that I worked at -- though my first times on the air were broadcasting high school football games, not in the studios. The building really was like an old barn. It was full of mice. During one overnight shift, me and a colleague killed over 50 mice with four traps. I can still see an applicant for a sales job sitting in the lobby with a mouse sitting across the room looking at her. I don't think she was impressed. I spent the night in the dark without power in the building during Hurricane Gloria. I was also on the air twice when the tower was hit by lightening. The second time, the board was fried. After I left WCLZ, I went to work at WAYU on Lisbon Street in Lewiston. The building that housed WAYU at the time burned down a little over a year ago. So the first two buildings that I broadcast from are now gone. I feel old. My third job was at WLAM. The old Broadcasting Barn is still there in Auburn, though it looks vacant whenever I drive by. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 00:15:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:15:42 -0400 Subject: Old WCLZ building gone In-Reply-To: <9015BC3BB51C4936A28BF0F75B67D202@DanBillingsPC> References: <9015BC3BB51C4936A28BF0F75B67D202@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <47E72AEE.7090805@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > It was full of mice. During one overnight shift, me and a colleague > killed over 50 mice with four traps. I can still see an applicant for > a sales job sitting in the lobby with a mouse sitting across the room > looking at her. I don't think she was impressed. Weren't the mice on the job for generator-power duty on the wheel? Poor varmints! Bill O' From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 05:07:23 2008 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Burns and Jackson In-Reply-To: <200803230343.m2N3hLZ1005036@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <469979.53761.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Both he and Jackson had great shows. Brudnoy was a > very prolix show, > in the style of William F Buckley. We have been Funny you should mention both those in the same sentence. I was flipping through the channels a day or two after the passing of Buckley and caught video (C-Span) of an old WBZ interview where Brudnoy was interviewing Buckley. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From paul@derrynh.net Mon Mar 24 05:23:05 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:23:05 -0400 Subject: the nasty dance In-Reply-To: <18405.55331.572805.713928@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000c01c88d90$aaba6b10$778fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Thank you...... (If I want my blood to boil, I'll read the Boston Globe and NYT, thank you very much....) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:10 AM To: Keating Willcox Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: the nasty dance < said: > Ahh the nasty dance of the GOP.. Hey, everybody... reminder time: this list is about broadcasting, not politics. -GAWollman From paul@derrynh.net Mon Mar 24 05:24:17 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:24:17 -0400 Subject: Red Sox radio in Portland? In-Reply-To: <47e59092.2536640a.52ab.ffff8955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88d90$d585c560$778fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> WGAM is 1250 Manchester and WGHM is 900 Nashua. Absolute Broadcasting changed them last fall (Previously WGAM was on 900) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:05 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox radio in Portland? Kevin Vahey wrote: >This can't be right. > >Manchester is WKBR 1250 in Manchester isn't WKBR anymore. The calls changed sometime in the last year, not sure what the new calls are. Last I knew the WKBR calls were associated with a CP for an AM in Lancaster, N.H. From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 24 08:37:19 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:37:19 -0400 Subject: Jackson Armstrong has died Message-ID: <47E7A07F.8070306@fybush.com> This from his daughter, via his MySpace page (and by way of Charles Layno at WGHP-TV in North Carolina): "Extremely saddening news... I hoped I never had to write... Our extremely amazing Dad and your friend Jack Armstrong aka John C. Larsh passed away yesterday March 22, 2008 at his home in North Carolina. I wish there was a better way to get the word out but this seems to be the fastest means of communication that he favored. If you knew him at all, you would know that he wouldn't want you to be sad for a moment. He would want you to remember all the good times, what he gave to radio and to the world. He would also want you to help fight to bring back the personality in radio if at all possible. He loved being a DJ almost as much as he loved being a father and that says A LOT. He put his blood, sweat and tears into both and never gave up what he believed in. He was honest, brave and could tell a joke like no other!! He was the best at everything he did and I know that he touched each and every one of us. I dont know how he would sign off this letter, maybe it would be "Yoooooouuuuurrr LLLlleeeadaaa!" or just straight up "Jack it up" either which way he would have done it better than anyone. Please remember him in all that you do, pass on kindness, be true to yourself and to those you love. If you have any questions, please email me at JackArmstrong08@gmail.com Very sad, devon larsh fischer ....Jack's middle daughter who loves him greatly - he was an exceptional person." From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 10:33:57 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:33:57 -0500 Subject: WMUR Message-ID: I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually hated kids or if parents who brought kids to be in the audience of a low-budget TV show generally raised brats. Uncle Gus was hysterical; its major prop was an outline of the United States and Gus would call kid after kid up to the desk to try to identify each of the several states. Years later when the Uncle Floyd show became popular on NJPTV, it evoked many memories of Uncle Gus. And, of course, when I saw him doing the Atlantic weather, this fit with Frank Avruch as Bozo and recognizing his voice as a station announcer, and Captain Bob also giving art lessons on Dateline: Boston, and Bill Harrington as Nozo, a TV/radio news reporter, and husband of Romper Room's Miss Jean. This led to a theory that kids' show hosts were in it for the fun and had other employment where they made actually money, as opposed to being paid in giant Tootsie-pops and Butchie-boy grab bags. From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 11:50:15 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: Burns and Jackson Message-ID: Burns came to WEEI Boston from WBAL in approximately 1967-68, lasted one year and was not renewed. He replaced Benzaquin who went to Chicago. Benzaquin came back to his old afternoon shift on WEEI and eventually copped a TV gig on WNAC, which I recall correctly was after the failure of Dave Garroway's Tempo:Boston. The program manager of WEEI wnen Burns was hired was Daniel Griffin who was also general manager of WRKO when Burns landed there. Burns did the elements with fairly good precision, although he would sometimes break format for dramatic effect, on one occasion delaying the news by close to a half hour to keep an argument going. He was pretty good at milking quarter hours, although not as good as Whitley who has to be among the best at using formatics for its intended purpose than anyone. When it comes to dragging an audience for "one more" quarter hour and hitting the calls hard right at :14, ;29, :44 and :59 when diaries are supposed to be recorded, Whitley was an absolute master (and yeah, most diary-keeepers filled them out the night before they mailed them back, but any who played by the rules got a reminder every quarter hour, just before the quarter hour about what and to whom they were listening, usually accompanied with a teasing though or two designed to drag them into another quarter hour.) The only thing that came close to working the format the way it was designed in Boston was Dave Supple hard-selling the cash-call amount with calls and exhortation to "write it down" at the precise right times to jar the contentious diary-keeper to do the right thing and write down WHDH in the book. From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 12:05:02 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:05:02 -0500 Subject: Burns and Jackson Message-ID: I misspoke, Burns came up from WCBM in Baltimore, not WBAL From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 12:46:41 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:46:41 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: Message-ID: <0acc01c88dce$a343fb60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually hated kids or if parents >who brought kids to be in the audience of a low-budget TV show generally raised brats. I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a long-standing urban legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for at least 35 years) to the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV couldn't stand children and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty remark about them one day before his mike had been turned off. I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once I when I was a little kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A friend of mine from my college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's true and that he heard Emery say it. . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's Bozo (Frank Avruch) and the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Yacomb" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: RE: WMUR >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually hated kids or if parents > who brought kids to be in the audience of a low-budget TV show generally > raised brats. > > Uncle Gus was hysterical; its major prop was an outline of the United > States > and Gus would call kid after kid up to the desk to try to identify each of > the several states. Years later when the Uncle Floyd show became popular > on > NJPTV, it evoked many memories of Uncle Gus. > > And, of course, when I saw him doing the Atlantic weather, this fit with > Frank Avruch as Bozo and recognizing his voice as a station announcer, and > Captain Bob also giving art lessons on Dateline: Boston, and Bill > Harrington > as Nozo, a TV/radio news reporter, and husband of Romper Room's Miss Jean. > This led to a theory that kids' show hosts were in it for the fun and had > other employment where they made actually money, as opposed to being paid > in > giant Tootsie-pops and Butchie-boy grab bags. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 24 13:56:18 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:18 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <0acc01c88dce$a343fb60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <000d01c88dd8$620c8860$77eca644@SatU205S5044> The rumor about the nasty remark--at least as related to WOR-radio's Uncle Don (real last name, Rucker, I believe) in the '40s in New York City--has been recorded as an official urban legend. If you visit one of the urban legend Web sites (snopes.com is the one whose name I remember), you will doubtless find the story officially debunked there. Whether you will find it debunked with respect to Emery is another matter, but apparently there is a version of this story for every guy who ever did a kids' radio or TV show in the US--and probably some foreign countries as well. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually hated kids or if > >parents who brought kids to be in the audience of a low-budget TV > >show generally > raised brats. > > I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a long-standing > urban legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for at least > 35 years) to the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV > couldn't stand children > and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty remark about them > one day before his mike had been turned off. > I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once I when I was a > little kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A friend of > mine from my college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's > true and that he heard Emery say it. > > . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's Bozo (Frank > Avruch) and the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. > > (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Yacomb" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: WMUR > > >>I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually hated kids or if >>parents >> who brought kids to be in the audience of a low-budget TV show >> generally >> raised brats. >> >> Uncle Gus was hysterical; its major prop was an outline of the >> United States >> and Gus would call kid after kid up to the desk to try to identify >> each of >> the several states. Years later when the Uncle Floyd show became >> popular on >> NJPTV, it evoked many memories of Uncle Gus. >> >> And, of course, when I saw him doing the Atlantic weather, this fit >> with >> Frank Avruch as Bozo and recognizing his voice as a station >> announcer, and >> Captain Bob also giving art lessons on Dateline: Boston, and Bill >> Harrington >> as Nozo, a TV/radio news reporter, and husband of Romper Room's >> Miss Jean. >> This led to a theory that kids' show hosts were in it for the fun >> and had >> other employment where they made actually money, as opposed to >> being paid in >> giant Tootsie-pops and Butchie-boy grab bags. > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 13:56:39 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0acc01c88dce$a343fb60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <652722.92475.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually > hated kids or if parents > >who brought kids to be in the audience of a > low-budget TV show generally > raised brats. >From what I saw from watching Channel 9 over the years, Gus Bernier seemed to be a very down-to-earth person, at least it seemed that way on the air. He was an ICON in New Hampshire television. Even down here in the Boston area, people knew about Channel 9 and Uncle Gus. As for Bob "Big Brother" Emery, this was not the first time I've heard about him not really "big" on kids. I'm sure everybody has had a bad day with a bunch of kids (especially when they're really bratty). Who knows.... since both Bob Emery and Gus Bernier are now deceased, we'll never know. > > I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a > long-standing urban > legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for > at least 35 years) to > the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV > couldn't stand children > and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty > remark about them one day > before his mike had been turned off. > I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once > I when I was a little > kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A > friend of mine from my > college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's > true and that he heard > Emery say it. > > . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's > Bozo (Frank Avruch) and > the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. > > (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) > > -Doug > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 14:25:52 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) Message-ID: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Most of the TV kid's hosts didn't set out to do that. It's what they had to do to stay employed. Some were clowns or children's entertainers but many were station announcers assigned to that particular show in the course of their duties. The fact that so many are so fondly remembered 40-50 years later is testiment to the fact they were professionals. The good ones leared to live with it and like it to some degree, or to create charaters that didn't rely on a studio audience. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Q. George To: Doug Drown ; Bud Yacomb ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:56:39 PM Subject: Re: WMUR --- Doug Drown wrote: > >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually > hated kids or if parents > >who brought kids to be in the audience of a > low-budget TV show generally > raised brats. >From what I saw from watching Channel 9 over the years, Gus Bernier seemed to be a very down-to-earth person, at least it seemed that way on the air. He was an ICON in New Hampshire television. Even down here in the Boston area, people knew about Channel 9 and Uncle Gus. As for Bob "Big Brother" Emery, this was not the first time I've heard about him not really "big" on kids. I'm sure everybody has had a bad day with a bunch of kids (especially when they're really bratty). Who knows.... since both Bob Emery and Gus Bernier are now deceased, we'll never know. > > I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a > long-standing urban > legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for > at least 35 years) to > the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV > couldn't stand children > and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty > remark about them one day > before his mike had been turned off. > I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once > I when I was a little > kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A > friend of mine from my > college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's > true and that he heard > Emery say it. > > . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's > Bozo (Frank Avruch) and > the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. > > (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) > > -Doug > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 14:30:02 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:30:02 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <652722.92475.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b4a01c88ddd$13466b10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> As I said the other day, there was an endearing small-city hokeyness to Uncle Gus's show, and it certainly is true that a lot of Masachusetts kids watched it. I was one of them. (FWIW, I was a big fan of Salty Brine on Providence's Channel 12, too. Living in the hills of Worcester County with a roof antenna, it was like having the best of all possible worlds: TV from Boston, Providence, Manchester, Hartford, Mount Washington [a little snowy], and Albany [Mount Greylock]. When cable arrived, it was almost superfluous.) I can remember moments when Gus would have to get a little firm with an unruly kid, but he was never unruffled and was never disrespectful toward the children. He never talked down to them, either. He always struck me as a nice man who liked kids. Bob Emery did, too, which is why I always doubted the story about him. Heck, he made a long career of interaction with children on both TV and radio. How could one do that and dislike them? Gus Bernier really WAS Channel 9 for decades. IIRC, he did a lot at the station besides hosting the kiddie show. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually >> hated kids or if parents >> >who brought kids to be in the audience of a >> low-budget TV show generally >> raised brats. > > From what I saw from watching Channel 9 over the > years, Gus Bernier seemed to be a very down-to-earth > person, at least it seemed that way on the air. He > was an ICON in New Hampshire television. Even down > here in the Boston area, people knew about Channel 9 > and Uncle Gus. > > As for Bob "Big Brother" Emery, this was not the first > time I've heard about him not really "big" on kids. > I'm sure everybody has had a bad day with a bunch of > kids (especially when they're really bratty). > > Who knows.... since both Bob Emery and Gus Bernier > are now deceased, we'll never know. > > > > >> >> I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a >> long-standing urban >> legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for >> at least 35 years) to >> the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV >> couldn't stand children >> and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty >> remark about them one day >> before his mike had been turned off. >> I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once >> I when I was a little >> kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A >> friend of mine from my >> college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's >> true and that he heard >> Emery say it. >> >> . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's >> Bozo (Frank Avruch) and >> the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. >> >> (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) >> >> -Doug >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 14:32:08 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:32:08 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b4f01c88ddd$5e99b680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Raise your glass of milk and we'll all drink a toast to the President! ;-) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) > Most of the TV kid's hosts didn't set out to do that. It's what they had > to do to stay employed. Some were clowns or children's entertainers but > many were station announcers assigned to that particular show in the > course of their duties. The fact that so many are so fondly remembered > 40-50 years later is testiment to the fact they were professionals. The > good ones leared to live with it and like it to some degree, or to create > charaters that didn't rely on a studio audience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Q. George > To: Doug Drown ; Bud Yacomb > ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:56:39 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually >> hated kids or if parents >> >who brought kids to be in the audience of a >> low-budget TV show generally >> raised brats. > >>From what I saw from watching Channel 9 over the > years, Gus Bernier seemed to be a very down-to-earth > person, at least it seemed that way on the air. He > was an ICON in New Hampshire television. Even down > here in the Boston area, people knew about Channel 9 > and Uncle Gus. > > As for Bob "Big Brother" Emery, this was not the first > time I've heard about him not really "big" on kids. > I'm sure everybody has had a bad day with a bunch of > kids (especially when they're really bratty). > > Who knows.... since both Bob Emery and Gus Bernier > are now deceased, we'll never know. > > > > >> >> I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a >> long-standing urban >> legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for >> at least 35 years) to >> the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV >> couldn't stand children >> and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty >> remark about them one day >> before his mike had been turned off. >> I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once >> I when I was a little >> kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A >> friend of mine from my >> college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's >> true and that he heard >> Emery say it. >> >> . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's >> Bozo (Frank Avruch) and >> the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. >> >> (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) >> >> -Doug >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 14:57:13 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0b4a01c88ddd$13466b10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > As I said the other day, there was an endearing > small-city hokeyness to > Uncle Gus's show, and it certainly is true that a > lot of Masachusetts kids > watched it. I was one of them. (FWIW, I was a big > fan of Salty Brine on > Providence's Channel 12, too. Living in the hills > of Worcester County with > a roof antenna, it was like having the best of all > possible worlds: TV from > Boston, Providence, Manchester, Hartford, Mount > Washington [a little snowy], > and Albany [Mount Greylock]. When cable arrived, it > was almost > superfluous.) > I'll have to agree with you. In spite of Channel 9's technical problems (and yes, there were many), there was a unique feel about WMUR during the Uncle Gus era. Hokey, yes, it was. But there was something truly different about watching Channel 9. When you watched Channel 9, you felt like you're watching people just like you. It was definitely a real local-flavored style of television, something you could never see on big city television. About the closest thing today you can see is local cable access. Even that is quickly fading away, as well. It's amazing that any video of the early color broadcasts of WMUR exist on YouTube. That's truly fascinating, considering that home video was only in it's very stages at the time. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 15:01:14 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <0b4f01c88ddd$5e99b680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <189606.77874.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > Raise your glass of milk and we'll all drink a toast > to the President! > ;-) -Doug > If I recall, United Farmers ("UF") was the milk sponsor of "Big Brother". Wonder what ever happened to them. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Mar 24 15:34:26 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:34:26 -0500 Subject: WRKO bleeps out "Sirius XM" merger news Message-ID: <20080324193426.86C9583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Censored! Howie Carr said a naughty word on the radio! "Oh, breaking news--- Justice Dept. has approved the (silence). Oh that's good...(to producer) Did you bleep that out? I can't report the news?" Went to drudge: Sirius XM Merger Approved. That's right folks: WRKO does not want you to hear the news. (Similarly back when WTKK had Hannity and he had Opie and Anthony on as guests, WTKK would not carry the hour. Promoting the competition.) (In related news, I got an XM radio the other day...now bleep THAT out, Entercom...) From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 16:19:04 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:19:04 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >When you watched Channel 9, you felt like you're watching people just like >you. It was definitely a real local-flavored style of television, >something you could never see on big city television. I couldn't agree more. The single most multitalented individual I have ever seen on local television, anywhere, was a guy named Eddie Driscoll who was with WLBZ, the NBC affiliate in Bangor, for 33 years --- from the day the station went on the air in 1954 until he retired. Driscoll was not a college graduate and had had absolutely no training in broadcasting: he was a mill worker in Brewer who had a gift of gab and used to do comedy routines for Grange meetings and what-not. Margo Cobb, WLBZ's original GM, had become acquainted with him somehow and asked him if he would like to do some of his acts on the then-new station. He was petrified the first time he appeared on camera, but he did well and was so successful that after a while she offered him a full-time job. He took her up on it. He wound up doing everything at the station --- promos, booth announcing, "Dialing for Dollars," kiddie shows with his wife's handmade puppets, and a particularly memorable stint as host of "Weird," a Saturday night monster movie show, in which he did shticks as mad scientists, space aliens, and so forth. Most of this was small-town live television, and there would be many a faux pas, but Driscoll would breeze through each one with a smart-aleck remark or self-deprecating humor. He was a little chunky, had rubbery facial expressions, and could be howlingly, fall-out-of-your chair funny, sometimes just ad-libbing. When he passed away a year and a half ago, there was many a tribute to him, even by WLBZ's competitors. Everyone loved him, and, like Gus Bernier, he was a local TV icon. WLBZ did a DVD on his career last year; I don't know whether it's still available, but it's well worth seeing. The guy was a hoot. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Bud Yacomb" ; ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> As I said the other day, there was an endearing >> small-city hokeyness to >> Uncle Gus's show, and it certainly is true that a >> lot of Masachusetts kids >> watched it. I was one of them. (FWIW, I was a big >> fan of Salty Brine on >> Providence's Channel 12, too. Living in the hills >> of Worcester County with >> a roof antenna, it was like having the best of all >> possible worlds: TV from >> Boston, Providence, Manchester, Hartford, Mount >> Washington [a little snowy], >> and Albany [Mount Greylock]. When cable arrived, it >> was almost >> superfluous.) >> > > I'll have to agree with you. In spite of Channel 9's > technical problems (and yes, there were many), there > was a unique feel about WMUR during the Uncle Gus era. > Hokey, yes, it was. But there was something truly > different about watching Channel 9. When you watched > Channel 9, you felt like you're watching people just > like you. It was definitely a real local-flavored > style of television, something you could never see on > big city television. About the closest thing today > you can see is local cable access. Even that is > quickly fading away, as well. It's amazing that any > video of the early color broadcasts of WMUR exist on > YouTube. That's truly fascinating, considering that > home video was only in it's very stages at the time. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 24 16:34:33 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:33 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <189606.77874.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <0b4f01c88ddd$5e99b680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <189606.77874.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080324203342.DDB54728DF7@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:01 PM 3/24/2008, it was said-- >If I recall, United Farmers ("UF") was the milk >sponsor of "Big Brother". Wonder what ever happened >to them. I'm sure they merged with somebody who merged with somebody who...etc. But I do have a scanned photo of Big Brother drinking United Farmers milk if anyone wants a copy. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 24 16:48:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:48:08 -0500 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <20080324203342.DDB54728DF7@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <0b4f01c88ddd$5e99b680$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <189606.77874.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080324203342.DDB54728DF7@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803241348n33720c10q9a41b792442adb96@mail.gmail.com> The got merged into Dairylea In 1955 or so a young boy drank some milk on camera at WBZ The milk was warm because it was sitting under the lights and the young boy spit out the milk I plead the 5th amendment On 3/24/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 03:01 PM 3/24/2008, it was said-- > > >If I recall, United Farmers ("UF") was the milk > >sponsor of "Big Brother". Wonder what ever happened > >to them. > > I'm sure they merged with somebody who merged with somebody > who...etc. But I do have a scanned photo of Big Brother drinking > United Farmers milk if anyone wants a copy. > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 17:14:03 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) Message-ID: <396486.91140.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The entire special is available on WLZB's web site, along with many pictures of Eddie. ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: Peter Q. George ; Bud Yacomb ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:19:04 PM Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) >When you watched Channel 9, you felt like you're watching people just like >you. It was definitely a real local-flavored style of television, >something you could never see on big city television. I couldn't agree more. The single most multitalented individual I have ever seen on local television, anywhere, was a guy named Eddie Driscoll who was with WLBZ, the NBC affiliate in Bangor, for 33 years --- from the day the station went on the air in 1954 until he retired. Driscoll was not a college graduate and had had absolutely no training in broadcasting: he was a mill worker in Brewer who had a gift of gab and used to do comedy routines for Grange meetings and what-not. Margo Cobb, WLBZ's original GM, had become acquainted with him somehow and asked him if he would like to do some of his acts on the then-new station. He was petrified the first time he appeared on camera, but he did well and was so successful that after a while she offered him a full-time job. He took her up on it. He wound up doing everything at the station --- promos, booth announcing, "Dialing for Dollars," kiddie shows with his wife's handmade puppets, and a particularly memorable stint as host of "Weird," a Saturday night monster movie show, in which he did shticks as mad scientists, space aliens, and so forth. Most of this was small-town live television, and there would be many a faux pas, but Driscoll would breeze through each one with a smart-aleck remark or self-deprecating humor. He was a little chunky, had rubbery facial expressions, and could be howlingly, fall-out-of-your chair funny, sometimes just ad-libbing. When he passed away a year and a half ago, there was many a tribute to him, even by WLBZ's competitors. Everyone loved him, and, like Gus Bernier, he was a local TV icon. WLBZ did a DVD on his career last year; I don't know whether it's still available, but it's well worth seeing. The guy was a hoot. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Bud Yacomb" ; ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> As I said the other day, there was an endearing >> small-city hokeyness to >> Uncle Gus's show, and it certainly is true that a >> lot of Masachusetts kids >> watched it. I was one of them. (FWIW, I was a big >> fan of Salty Brine on >> Providence's Channel 12, too. Living in the hills >> of Worcester County with >> a roof antenna, it was like having the best of all >> possible worlds: TV from >> Boston, Providence, Manchester, Hartford, Mount >> Washington [a little snowy], >> and Albany [Mount Greylock]. When cable arrived, it >> was almost >> superfluous.) >> > > I'll have to agree with you. In spite of Channel 9's > technical problems (and yes, there were many), there > was a unique feel about WMUR during the Uncle Gus era. > Hokey, yes, it was. But there was something truly > different about watching Channel 9. When you watched > Channel 9, you felt like you're watching people just > like you. It was definitely a real local-flavored > style of television, something you could never see on > big city television. About the closest thing today > you can see is local cable access. Even that is > quickly fading away, as well. It's amazing that any > video of the early color broadcasts of WMUR exist on > YouTube. That's truly fascinating, considering that > home video was only in it's very stages at the time. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 24 18:34:13 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:34:13 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> I never saw Gus act nasty towards the children and at times he would really warm to an individual child. Gus worked M-F 11 to 7 doing booth, Uncle Gus and the weather. He made a nice living on talent fees from Atlantic and Aubichon Hardware. He would always remind the GM that they were HIS accounts not WMUR's. The show he enjoyed the most was Santa Claus which had a huge audience into Boston. He was a good guy overall. From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 20:22:08 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:22:08 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Gus had that way with kids that Art Linkletter used to have. I often suspected that some of the kids on "House Party" and "Kids Say the Darnedest Things" were coached by their parents (and I especially thought so in regard to Bill Cosby's later version). But with Uncle Gus, it was all spontaneous, and he could banter with little children in a really wonderful way. Thanks, Kevin, for reminding us of that. It's a happy memory. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Peter Q. George" ; "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) >I never saw Gus act nasty towards the children and at times he would > really warm to an individual child. > > Gus worked M-F 11 to 7 doing booth, Uncle Gus and the weather. He made > a nice living on talent fees from Atlantic and Aubichon Hardware. He > would always remind the GM that they were HIS accounts not WMUR's. > > The show he enjoyed the most was Santa Claus which had a huge audience > into Boston. > > He was a good guy overall. From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 20:29:19 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:29:19 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons Message-ID: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> This thread about Uncle Gus and Big Brother Bob Emery has made me wonder about something (this is a layman's question): What did television stations commonly do with the cartoon and movie archives they had when we were little? Did they show them for several years and sell them to other stations, did they toss them in the trash after so many years, or what? There are cartoons I remember that I haven't seen in forty-five years or more. -Doug From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 24 14:47:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:47:35 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803241147n7c7038erf68f55753fa95305@mail.gmail.com> Bozo one year had Ringmaster Curt (Curt Gowdy) Nozo was Bruins announcer Bill Harrington who later went to news. Bill's wife was Miss Jean on Romper Room On 3/24/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > Most of the TV kid's hosts didn't set out to do that. It's what they had to > do to stay employed. Some were clowns or children's entertainers but many > were station announcers assigned to that particular show in the course of > their duties. The fact that so many are so fondly remembered 40-50 years > later is testiment to the fact they were professionals. The good ones leared > to live with it and like it to some degree, or to create charaters that > didn't rely on a studio audience. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Q. George > To: Doug Drown ; Bud Yacomb > ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:56:39 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > > > >I have often wondered whether Uncle Gus actually > > hated kids or if parents > > >who brought kids to be in the audience of a > > low-budget TV show generally > > raised brats. > > >From what I saw from watching Channel 9 over the > years, Gus Bernier seemed to be a very down-to-earth > person, at least it seemed that way on the air. He > was an ICON in New Hampshire television. Even down > here in the Boston area, people knew about Channel 9 > and Uncle Gus. > > As for Bob "Big Brother" Emery, this was not the first > time I've heard about him not really "big" on kids. > I'm sure everybody has had a bad day with a bunch of > kids (especially when they're really bratty). > > Who knows.... since both Bob Emery and Gus Bernier > are now deceased, we'll never know. > > > > > > > > I don't know about Uncle Gus Bernier, but there is a > > long-standing urban > > legend (that has been going around Massachusetts for > > at least 35 years) to > > the effect that "Big Brother" Bob Emery on WBZ-TV > > couldn't stand children > > and was once heard to make an exceedingly nasty > > remark about them one day > > before his mike had been turned off. > > I've never quite believed it; I was on the show once > > I when I was a little > > kid and he seemed like a heck of a nice guy. A > > friend of mine from my > > college days, who was raised in Needham, swears it's > > true and that he heard > > Emery say it. > > > > . . . And then there's the story about Channel 5's > > Bozo (Frank Avruch) and > > the squirrel joke. We won't get into that. > > > > (Donna, can you confirm or deny any of this ---?) > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 24 20:50:50 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:50:50 -0500 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803241750o14126d0fh3e79b881fdf791d9@mail.gmail.com> I will never forget the oddest Uncle Gus. Gus would handle the booking of children himself and had this huge folder in the announce booth. One day an entire Cub Scout group from Waltham has the entire studio booked, They never showed.... However the show had to go on so the tech staff became the kids....we did the US states....the bouncing ball game and were interviewed. Gus somehow kept a straight face throughout. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > Gus had that way with kids that Art Linkletter used to have. I often > suspected that some of the kids on "House Party" and "Kids Say the Darnedest > Things" were coached by their parents (and I especially thought so in regard > to Bill Cosby's later version). But with Uncle Gus, it was all spontaneous, > and he could banter with little children in a really wonderful way. Thanks, > Kevin, for reminding us of that. It's a happy memory. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" > > Cc: "Peter Q. George" ; "Bud Yacomb" > ; > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) > > > > > >I never saw Gus act nasty towards the children and at times he would > > really warm to an individual child. > > > > Gus worked M-F 11 to 7 doing booth, Uncle Gus and the weather. He made > > a nice living on talent fees from Atlantic and Aubichon Hardware. He > > would always remind the GM that they were HIS accounts not WMUR's. > > > > The show he enjoyed the most was Santa Claus which had a huge audience > > into Boston. > > > > He was a good guy overall. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 24 21:13:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:13:10 -0500 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803241813u665bc63en127fcb4764ff4b63@mail.gmail.com> Channel 9 kept the Mr Magoo, Dick Tracy and Popeye 16 MM forever. When WXPO folded somebody took the entire Warner Brothers library they had. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > This thread about Uncle Gus and Big Brother Bob Emery has made me wonder about something (this is a layman's question): What did television stations commonly do with the cartoon and movie archives they had when we were little? Did they show them for several years and sell them to other stations, did they toss them in the trash after so many years, or what? There are cartoons I remember that I haven't seen in forty-five years or more. > > -Doug > > From tmw207@roadrunner.com Mon Mar 24 20:44:25 2008 From: tmw207@roadrunner.com (Terry) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:44:25 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <002701c88e11$60618090$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> Doug those cartoons we watched would be deemed too violent for todays toddlers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) > Gus had that way with kids that Art Linkletter used to have. I often > suspected that some of the kids on "House Party" and "Kids Say the > Darnedest Things" were coached by their parents (and I especially thought > so in regard to Bill Cosby's later version). But with Uncle Gus, it was > all spontaneous, and he could banter with little children in a really > wonderful way. Thanks, Kevin, for reminding us of that. It's a happy > memory. > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: "Peter Q. George" ; "Bud Yacomb" > ; > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) > > >>I never saw Gus act nasty towards the children and at times he would >> really warm to an individual child. >> >> Gus worked M-F 11 to 7 doing booth, Uncle Gus and the weather. He made >> a nice living on talent fees from Atlantic and Aubichon Hardware. He >> would always remind the GM that they were HIS accounts not WMUR's. >> >> The show he enjoyed the most was Santa Claus which had a huge audience >> into Boston. >> >> He was a good guy overall. > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080324-0, 03/24/2008 > Tested on: 3/24/2008 8:27:28 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080324-0, 03/24/2008 Tested on: 3/24/2008 8:44:26 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 24 22:37:46 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:37:46 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <002701c88e11$60618090$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> Message-ID: <0c7a01c88e21$362ef090$6501a8c0@DougDrown> > Doug those cartoons we watched would be deemed too violent for todays > toddlers Yup, I'm sure they would. I was a big fan of Mighty Mouse when I was a little kid, and I can remember some MM episodes that, in hindsight, were incredibly violent. --- And yet --- Why is is that heroes and villains can be blasted by rays in today's kiddie series, but you can't depict anything that uses bullets? Violence is violence is violence, it seems to me. The argument, I suppose, is that ray guns aren't real. Well, Mighty Mouse wasn't real either, and neither were the bullets. Nor all that Acme stuff that went awry when Wile E. Coyote tried to use it. Don't get me wrong --- I don't condone violence --- but there's a double standard here that I've never understood. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Bud Yacomb" ; Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) > Doug those cartoons we watched would be deemed too violent for todays > toddlers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Drown" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "Bud Yacomb" ; > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) > > >> Gus had that way with kids that Art Linkletter used to have. I often >> suspected that some of the kids on "House Party" and "Kids Say the >> Darnedest Things" were coached by their parents (and I especially thought >> so in regard to Bill Cosby's later version). But with Uncle Gus, it was >> all spontaneous, and he could banter with little children in a really >> wonderful way. Thanks, Kevin, for reminding us of that. It's a happy >> memory. >> >> -Doug >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Doug Drown" >> Cc: "Peter Q. George" ; "Bud Yacomb" >> ; >> >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Small-town TV (was: WMUR) >> >> >>>I never saw Gus act nasty towards the children and at times he would >>> really warm to an individual child. >>> >>> Gus worked M-F 11 to 7 doing booth, Uncle Gus and the weather. He made >>> a nice living on talent fees from Atlantic and Aubichon Hardware. He >>> would always remind the GM that they were HIS accounts not WMUR's. >>> >>> The show he enjoyed the most was Santa Claus which had a huge audience >>> into Boston. >>> >>> He was a good guy overall. >> >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. >> Virus Database (VPS): 080324-0, 03/24/2008 >> Tested on: 3/24/2008 8:27:28 PM >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080324-0, 03/24/2008 > Tested on: 3/24/2008 8:44:26 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 22:40:17 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:40:17 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803241147n7c7038erf68f55753fa95305@mail.gmail.com> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803241147n7c7038erf68f55753fa95305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E86611.8000305@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bozo one year had Ringmaster Curt (Curt Gowdy) > > Nozo was Bruins announcer Bill Harrington who later went to news. > > Bill's wife was Miss Jean on Romper Room "You show me your magic mirror and I'll wear the new red clown shoes." Who hasn't heard that a hundred times. Bill O' From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 22:42:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:42:23 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803241750o14126d0fh3e79b881fdf791d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241750o14126d0fh3e79b881fdf791d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E8668F.4000402@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I will never forget the oddest Uncle Gus. > > Gus would handle the booking of children himself and had this huge > folder in the announce booth. One day an entire Cub Scout group from > Waltham has the entire studio booked, > > They never showed.... > > However the show had to go on so the tech staff became the kids....we > did the US states....the bouncing ball game and were interviewed. > > Gus somehow kept a straight face throughout. GREAT story. That's a gem. Bill O' // From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 24 23:36:32 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:36:32 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <002701c88e11$60618090$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> References: <217956.88106.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0b7401c88dec$4ef24e40$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803241534q5d5d3d0ar6df54f0999d305b3@mail.gmail.com> <0c3301c88e0e$43ada940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <002701c88e11$60618090$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> Message-ID: <47E87340.8080605@gabrielmass.com> Terry wrote: > Doug those cartoons we watched would be deemed too violent for todays toddlers But check your local Wal-Mart for "Toon Factory" DVDs from "Digiview Entertainment"; they're cheap ($1) collections of cartoons from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Some of them are gems I've never seen before. And indeed some are too free with the bullets, bombs, and stereotypes to ever appear on a kids' show again. Some of the wartime cartoons -- Bugs Bunny versus the Nazis and that sort of thing -- had all of that! --RC From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:07 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTIC signal (Was Re: somehow at 7 AM it doesn't seem right) Message-ID: <273847.56109.qm@web39112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > Walk around our ballpark here on a nice summer > evening and you'll see > just as many Red Sox hats and T-shirts (if not more, > sometimes) than > Yankees...yet the Yankees get massive radio, TV and > newspaper coverage > here and we Sox fans have to settle for table scraps > and WTIC > skywave...sigh... Better than settling for WTIC's groundwave in Wallingford, Conn., 25 miles -- tops -- from the antenna. Its signal is so bad to start with (who decided to put an AM antenna on top of a rocky, very well-drained ridge, anyhow?)that it's susceptible to interfering skywaves from -- who knows where. The Florida station is a prime suspect. And, way before HD, even that close it gets slop from WBAL, which thunders in. 'TIC fades and phases on a regular basis. And I think that's too close to be getting any skywave. So, it's just -- well -- annoying. I could always move to Pennsylvania and get a killer signal . . . I never have figured their antenna location. They went up on Avon Mountain right around 2930 -- like the day after the vertical antenna was invented. Back then, vast amounts of swamp land were just waiting to become AM transmitter sites. Connecticut broadcast historian Mike Collins told me once that in the '60s WTIC had a plan to move the antenna to a swamp on the Connecticut River 10 or 15 miles south of Hartford -- which would have solved their problem with a bad signal in New Haven, day and night. But it never happened. They could solve the New Haven problem and the bad signal at night in Waterbury problem (in the bullseye of their null to Dallas) by moving to a spot southwest of Hartford, like Southington. But they've never asked me . . . From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 25 01:02:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E84F08.4688.6EBF22@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Mar 2008 at 11:25, Maureen Carney wrote: > Most of the TV kid's hosts didn't set out to do that. It's what they > had to do to stay employed. Some were clowns or children's > entertainers but many were station announcers assigned to that > particular show in the course of their duties. The fact that so many > are so fondly remembered 40-50 years later is testiment to the fact > they were professionals. The good ones leared to live with it and like > it to some degree, or to create charaters that didn't rely on a studio > audience. There are some interesting stories about some of the people who have gone into children's TV. Buffalo Bob Smith originally did the morning show on a Buffalo radio station, where he did so well that NBC brought him to New York to do the morning show on WNBC. While working there, he was offered an additional spot on Saturday morning doing a kids show. There, he developed a country-bumpkin named Elmer, who came along, greeting him with "Well, Howdy Doody!" and doing a "Hee-Haw" type routine. The kids in the studio audience called the character "Howdy Doody" and complained that they couldn't see Howdy, since he didn't use a puppet on radio. This gave him the idea for doing television, and the rest is history. Bob Smith actually continued to do radio for grownups. He kept his morning shift on WNBC for a couple of years after the Howdy Doody Show started. Later, NBC radio put the Bob Smith Show on weekday mornings opposite Arthur Godfrey, with portions of the show repeated on NBC television at noon. That was a grueling schedule, and it didn't last long before he had a heart attack. The morning radio and noon TV shows were cancelled, and Howdy Doody had guest hosts until he was able to return. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 25 01:02:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0b4a01c88ddd$13466b10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <652722.92475.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <0b4a01c88ddd$13466b10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47E84F08.31568.6EC04B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Mar 2008 at 14:30, Doug Drown wrote: > I can remember moments when Gus would have to get a little firm with > an unruly kid, but he was never unruffled and was never disrespectful > toward the children. I have a video of the 10th anniversary Howdy Doody Show, where, while Buffalo Bob is talking to the camera, a kid in the peanut gallery stands up and reaches over to a puppet on the puppet stage. Buffalo Bob reaches back and pushes the kid down into his seat without ever breaking his speaking or taking his eye off the camera. A real professional! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 25 01:02:01 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:01 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Mar 2008 at 20:29, Doug Drown wrote: > This thread about Uncle Gus and Big Brother Bob Emery has made me > wonder about something (this is a layman's question): What did > television stations commonly do with the cartoon and movie archives > they had when we were little? Did they show them for several years > and sell them to other stations, did they toss them in the trash after > so many years, or what? There are cartoons I remember that I haven't > seen in forty-five years or more. And a related question, what happens to stations' record libraries? Back in the 1980s when 1150 became WMEX oldies, I wondered whether they were using records left over from the WCOP Top 40 days, but I suspect not. What happens to the music libarry when a station drops a format? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 25 01:02:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803241147n7c7038erf68f55753fa95305@mail.gmail.com> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770803241147n7c7038erf68f55753fa95305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E84F08.15407.6EC107@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Mar 2008 at 14:47, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bozo one year had Ringmaster Curt (Curt Gowdy) > > Nozo was Bruins announcer Bill Harrington who later went to news. > > Bill's wife was Miss Jean on Romper Room And Carl deSeuze also did children's television for awhile in the early 50s as "Uncle Carl," with a canine handpuppet named "Popo." Back around 1980, I had a law student intern in my office who was writing a book about television history. At some point, I recalled the Uncle Carl show on channel 4, and he wondered if it might have been Carl deSeuze. So I called up WBZ just as Carl deSeuze was finishing his show and asked to speak to him. It took several tries before I got him, but he seemed to enjoy remeniscing about it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 25 01:01:59 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:01:59 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <000d01c88dd8$620c8860$77eca644@SatU205S5044> References: , <000d01c88dd8$620c8860$77eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47E84F07.29387.6EBB59@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Mar 2008 at 13:56, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The rumor about the nasty remark--at least as related to WOR-radio's > Uncle Don (real last name, Rucker, I believe) in the '40s in New York > City--has been recorded as an official urban legend. If you visit one > of the urban legend Web sites (snopes.com is the one whose name I > remember), you will doubtless find the story officially debunked > there. Whether you will find it debunked with respect to Emery is > another matter, but apparently there is a version of this story for > every guy who ever did a kids' radio or TV show in the US--and > probably some foreign countries as well. http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/radio/bastards.asp -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 25 01:27:32 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:27:32 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18408.36164.492279.134029@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > suspect not. What happens to the music libarry when a station drops > a format? These days? They erase the hard drives and download the library for the new format. -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 01:30:57 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:30:57 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241813u665bc63en127fcb4764ff4b63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c88e39$9987c0f0$6501a8c0@s20208> > Channel 9 kept the Mr Magoo, Dick Tracy and Popeye 16 MM forever. > When WXPO folded somebody took the entire Warner Brothers library they > had. I thought when your deal/license was up with a program you had to send back the titles.... From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 25 01:36:31 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:36:31 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <00aa01c88e39$9987c0f0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241813u665bc63en127fcb4764ff4b63@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c88e39$9987c0f0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <18408.36703.786199.675814@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> Channel 9 kept the Mr Magoo, Dick Tracy and Popeye 16 MM forever. >> When WXPO folded somebody took the entire Warner Brothers library they >> had. > I thought when your deal/license was up with a program you had to send back > the titles.... That's what they're supposed to do -- either that or destroy the copies. They don't always do so. I used to have a set of two vinyl discs for CBS's "Top 40 Satellite Survey with Dan Ingram", clearly labeled "AFFILIATES: DESTROY AFTER LAST AIRING", which WQCR gave away in a contest. (I wish I knew what happened to them -- I have a lot more appreciation now for Ingram's talents than I did at the time.) -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Mar 25 07:16:26 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:16:26 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47E8DF0A.2030501@cssinc.com> Doug Drown wrote: > This thread about Uncle Gus and Big Brother Bob Emery has made me wonder about something (this is a layman's question): What did television stations commonly do with the cartoon and movie archives they had when we were little? Did they show them for several years and sell them to other stations, did they toss them in the trash after so many years, or what? There are cartoons I remember that I haven't seen in forty-five years or more. > > -Doug > Most of the cartoons were 16mm from that period. They used to show up in the 16mm film collector's market regularly. I bought my share of "Wally Gators" and such. I just got rid of a bunch of "Underdog" and "Bullwinkles" on 16. If you can find a collector's magazine called "The Big Reel" you will find pages of this stuff along with a ton of old TV shows. Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Mar 25 07:20:37 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:20:37 -0400 Subject: TV cartoons In-Reply-To: <00aa01c88e39$9987c0f0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803241813u665bc63en127fcb4764ff4b63@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c88e39$9987c0f0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <47E8E005.5030706@cssinc.com> Don A wrote: > > > >> Channel 9 kept the Mr Magoo, Dick Tracy and Popeye 16 MM forever. >> When WXPO folded somebody took the entire Warner Brothers library >> they had. > > I thought when your deal/license was up with a program you had to send > back the titles.... What TV stations used to do to these prints wasn't pretty. Most of the titles were beat to snot by the time they were retired. Brian From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 08:45:34 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TV cartoons Message-ID: <987942.41137.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I work with someone who was at WLVI when the WB came on. According to this person they threw out all the 16mm reels of "The Flintstones" and other kid's programming they were going to no longer air. ----- Original Message ---- From: Garrett Wollman To: Don A Cc: BRI Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:36:31 AM Subject: Re: TV cartoons < said: >> Channel 9 kept the Mr Magoo, Dick Tracy and Popeye 16 MM forever. >> When WXPO folded somebody took the entire Warner Brothers library they >> had. > I thought when your deal/license was up with a program you had to send back > the titles.... That's what they're supposed to do -- either that or destroy the copies. They don't always do so. I used to have a set of two vinyl discs for CBS's "Top 40 Satellite Survey with Dan Ingram", clearly labeled "AFFILIATES: DESTROY AFTER LAST AIRING", which WQCR gave away in a contest. (I wish I knew what happened to them -- I have a lot more appreciation now for Ingram's talents than I did at the time.) -GAWollman ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 08:51:35 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:51:35 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV Message-ID: I am glad to hear that Uncle Gus was a regular guy, and even gladder that talent "owned" a couple of major accounts and could throw this fun fact in the general manager's face. Big Brother's milk drinking was centered around his "toast to the President of the United States." But Bob didn't seem to care too much for Kennedy and kept Eisenhower's portrait posted even when he added Kennedy the position of prominence. Violence isn't the only reason why we don't see a lot of those old cartoons; Big Brother regularly ran :"Pow-Wow the Indian Boy" which included a pretty fair amount of stereotyping. I had hoped that first the Cartoon Network and later the on-demand CATV services would allow some of those older cartoons to be brought back (if licensing could be worked out), but very few of them seem to have made it ... although they did bring back Dick Tracy and then Hercules for a while on the Comcast on-demand service and I recall that Hercules was very popular during Bob Emery's later program "Clubhouse 4" I, of course, was banned from watching Hercules since it would get my brothers and I revved up for a battle royale centered on the Chesterfield, and, being the oldest, I got to play Hercules and smack them around. We had already been banned from watching Major Mudd and the Stooges over on WNAC for the same reason (I was Moe) so then we were told to watch Bozo\ From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Mar 25 08:21:56 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:21:56 -0400 Subject: Radio record libraries (was: TV Cartoons) References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> <18408.36164.492279.134029@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0ccc01c88e72$d1e1a0e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Toby LaBoutillier, who hosts the rather famous nostalgia music show "Down Memory Lane" on Maine Public Radio every Friday afternoon, was given the discarded record libraries of WLBZ in Bangor and WTVL in Waterville. I had lunch with him at his home a couple of times back in the early '90s. IIRC, he owned 17,000 records at the time. I can't imagine how large the collection must be now. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:27 AM Subject: Re: TV cartoons > < said: > >> suspect not. What happens to the music libarry when a station drops >> a format? > > These days? They erase the hard drives and download the library for > the new format. > > -GAWollman > From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Mar 25 09:49:59 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV References: Message-ID: <0cec01c88e7f$1e9967e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> "Pow-Wow the Indian Boy" has been featured in a monthly off-Broadway show called "Cartoon Dump," which is produced and directed by an animation history expert named Jerry Beck and his colleague Frank Conniff (of "Mystery Science Theater 3000" fame). It's a hilarious off-the-wall satire on '60s TV kiddie shows, hosted by an unfailingly perky ditz named Compost Brite. The cartoons Beck has chosen are execrable --- the very worst of the late '50s- early '60s lot (hence the name Cartoon Dump). There is a taped episode connected to Beck's website, "Cartoon Brew". Here's the link: http://cartoondump.com -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Yacomb" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Small-town TV >I am glad to hear that Uncle Gus was a regular guy, and even gladder that > talent "owned" a couple of major accounts and could throw this fun fact in > the general manager's face. > > Big Brother's milk drinking was centered around his "toast to the > President > of the United States." But Bob didn't seem to care too much for Kennedy > and > kept Eisenhower's portrait posted even when he added Kennedy the position > of > prominence. > > Violence isn't the only reason why we don't see a lot of those old > cartoons; > Big Brother regularly ran :"Pow-Wow the Indian Boy" which included a > pretty > fair amount of stereotyping. > > I had hoped that first the Cartoon Network and later the on-demand CATV > services would allow some of those older cartoons to be brought back (if > licensing could be worked out), but very few of them seem to have made it > ... although they did bring back Dick Tracy and then Hercules for a while > on the Comcast on-demand service and I recall that Hercules was very > popular during Bob Emery's later program "Clubhouse 4" I, of course, was > banned from watching Hercules since it would get my brothers and I revved > up > for a battle royale centered on the Chesterfield, and, being the oldest, I > got to play Hercules and smack them around. We had already been banned > from > watching Major Mudd and the Stooges over on WNAC for the same reason (I > was > Moe) so then we were told to watch Bozo\ From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 10:13:41 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803241348n33720c10q9a41b792442adb96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <256746.50368.qm@web50806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dairylea, now that name brings back memories. I believe that another Boston area milk producer Whiting's was also absorbed by Dairylea in the early 70's. Can anyone remember the name of the lady with the bonnet who adorned the carton of Whiting's milk for many years until they used the same packaging style as Dairylea? Easy! As for that little kid who didn't like warm milk in a hot studio, I can keep a secret ;)! --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > The got merged into Dairylea > > In 1955 or so a young boy drank some milk on camera > at WBZ > > The milk was warm because it was sitting under the > lights and the > young boy spit out the milk > > I plead the 5th amendment > > > > On 3/24/08, Donna Halper > wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 3/24/2008, it was said-- > > > > >If I recall, United Farmers ("UF") was the milk > > >sponsor of "Big Brother". Wonder what ever > happened > > >to them. > > > > I'm sure they merged with somebody who merged with > somebody > > who...etc. But I do have a scanned photo of Big > Brother drinking > > United Farmers milk if anyone wants a copy. > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 25 10:44:15 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:44:15 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) References: <256746.50368.qm@web50806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c88e86$b45ced90$acefa644@SatU205S5044> Dairylea was a co-op owned jointly by dairy farmers. The name was an abbreviation of the group's original name, Dairymen's League. If Dairylea still exists, it's a good thing that the name was shortened in the way it was; today, a name containing "dairymen" would be viewed as politically incorrect. Dairy Farmer's League would be OK, but Dairylea is shorter, more euphoneous, and easier to say and remember. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) > Dairylea, now that name brings back memories. I > believe that another Boston area milk producer > Whiting's was also absorbed by Dairylea in the early > 70's. Can anyone remember the name of the lady with > the bonnet who adorned the carton of Whiting's milk > for many years until they used the same packaging > style as Dairylea? Easy! > > As for that little kid who didn't like warm milk in a > hot studio, I can keep a secret ;)! > > > --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> The got merged into Dairylea >> >> In 1955 or so a young boy drank some milk on camera >> at WBZ >> >> The milk was warm because it was sitting under the >> lights and the >> young boy spit out the milk >> >> I plead the 5th amendment >> >> >> >> On 3/24/08, Donna Halper >> wrote: >> > At 03:01 PM 3/24/2008, it was said-- >> > >> > >If I recall, United Farmers ("UF") was the milk >> > >sponsor of "Big Brother". Wonder what ever >> happened >> > >to them. >> > >> > I'm sure they merged with somebody who merged with >> somebody >> > who...etc. But I do have a scanned photo of Big >> Brother drinking >> > United Farmers milk if anyone wants a copy. >> > >> > >> > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 10:45:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:45:06 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770803250745v56bca5f6pbe20f728d76b940c@mail.gmail.com> Gus was a regular guy. Very quiet off camera and liked to read in his office (booth) He would observe the chaotic atmosphere that was channel 9 and occasionally would make a biting remark. He would sometimes make fun of the policy that had them announce something was on film. Only time I ever saw him lose it was when the Atlantic account was lost over the station not converting to color. N W Ayer send us a hi-band color commercial and we couldn't run it and that was the end. Sam Phillips would argue that nobody in New Hampshire had color sets so why bother. 2 other local shows of note. New Hampshire Bandstand and Clyde and Willie May Joy. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Mar 25 10:50:40 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! Message-ID: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> Kudos to our list buddy, Kevin Vahey, working the camera at the Tokyo dome today (and other days, too). Maybe he'll be able to share some International broadcast insights upon his return when he has more time. Of course, his return won't be for a while yet as the Sox still have more games to play on the road before they hit Boston. And I caught some of Dale Arnold's radio pbp this morning - smooth as always. And a great rookie home run call by Joe Castiglione, complete with a (should-be) trade-marked "can you believe it?" Go Sox! --Chuck Igo From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Mar 25 13:12:25 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:12:25 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! In-Reply-To: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <397581FBE50948F795924476B09F17D7@DanBillingsPC> Today's game was called on the radio by Dale Arnold, the most famous graduate of my high school, and on ESPN by Gary Thorne, the most famous graduate of my law school. Good to see two Maine boys make good. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Mar 25 13:34:45 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:34:45 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! In-Reply-To: <0d3401c88e9c$adc80b70$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> <397581FBE50948F795924476B09F17D7@DanBillingsPC> <0d3401c88e9c$adc80b70$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <0317CB7902E544AEA05212BEA7F1E080@DanBillingsPC> Gary was practicing law in Bangor when a friend, Jordan Kobritz, bought a AAA baseball team and moved it to Old Orchard Beach, Maine. Gary had broadcast UMaine sports and Kobritz hired him to be the radio voice of the Guides. He did the games for a year and then was hired to do the radio voice of the NY Mets. And the rest, as they say, is history. The professors at Maine Law never liked it when I refered to Gary as our most successful graduate. ;-) From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Mar 25 13:21:35 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:21:35 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> <397581FBE50948F795924476B09F17D7@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <0d3401c88e9c$adc80b70$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Never knew Gary Thorne went to law school. Well, they-ah --- as my fathuh would've said, "You learn somethin' every day," by gorry. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Chuck Igo" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Nice camera work, Kevin! > Today's game was called on the radio by Dale Arnold, the most famous > graduate of my high school, and on ESPN by Gary Thorne, the most famous > graduate of my law school. Good to see two Maine boys make good. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 16:31:36 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:31:36 -0400 Subject: what happened? Message-ID: <4fc429770803251331j2914c8f5j884ded2cc0f4f0c7@mail.gmail.com> Waking up in Japan to reports there were major problems with the ballgame feed on Tuesday. I do want to say the people at NTV Nippon TV have been wonderful. I know there was a major screwup in Anchorage this morning but I thought it was solved but it appears something else went wrong. BTW I am a zombie as I flew out on Sunday and saw airports in Seattle, Anchorage and Tokyo. What day is it? From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 10:59:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! In-Reply-To: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <4fc429770803250759u56c34ce4q9d607d97e0b2e0e0@mail.gmail.com> Got to play with the new Sony HD full 1080 cameras tonight....big improvement. There was almost a disaster as there was a major switching screwup in Anchorage on the NESN relay. However we also hearing DirecTV had a major meltdown this morning and thousands did not see the game on either NESN or ESPN. Btw there was no local TV to San Francisco. Blackberry works well here. On 3/25/08, Chuck Igo wrote: > Kudos to our list buddy, Kevin Vahey, working the camera at the Tokyo dome > today (and other days, too). > > Maybe he'll be able to share some International broadcast insights upon his > return when he has more time. Of course, his return won't be for a while > yet as the Sox still have more games to play on the road before they hit > Boston. > > And I caught some of Dale Arnold's radio pbp this morning - smooth as > always. And a great rookie home run call by Joe Castiglione, complete with > a (should-be) trade-marked "can you believe it?" > > Go Sox! > > --Chuck Igo > From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 25 16:40:39 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803250759u56c34ce4q9d607d97e0b2e0e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> <4fc429770803250759u56c34ce4q9d607d97e0b2e0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58243.66.195.169.98.1206477639.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> > Got to play with the new Sony HD full 1080 cameras tonight....big > improvement. > > There was almost a disaster as there was a major switching screwup in > Anchorage on the NESN relay. > > However we also hearing DirecTV had a major meltdown this morning and > thousands did not see the game on either NESN or ESPN. > > Btw there was no local TV to San Francisco. > > Blackberry works well here. The game looked good on ESPN2 here (via Time Warner cable) in upstate New York. No ESPN2 HD here yet, so I had to settle for SD. Kevin, are some of the shots I'm seeing on ESPN2 coming from Japanese coverage, or is it all their own cameras? s From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 16:46:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:46:20 -0400 Subject: Nice camera work, Kevin! In-Reply-To: <58243.66.195.169.98.1206477639.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> References: <001a01c88e87$993055b0$0201a8c0@Family> <4fc429770803250759u56c34ce4q9d607d97e0b2e0e0@mail.gmail.com> <58243.66.195.169.98.1206477639.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803251346w6b620d15v732648deff76ef36@mail.gmail.com> Scott NTV is providing the pool shots and NESN and Bristol Clown College have supplemental cameras. From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Tue Mar 25 17:05:44 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:05:44 -0400 Subject: what happened? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803251331j2914c8f5j884ded2cc0f4f0c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803251331j2914c8f5j884ded2cc0f4f0c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E96928.7090404@tampabay.rr.com> Hi Kevin-san, The Land of the Rising Sun, eh? Sounds like fun!! I watched ESPN2 HD on Verizon FIOS here outside of Tampa. Looked awesome!! Great job by all. What camera are you on? Jon W1MNK Brandon FL USA ***Celebrating 30 years in IT with one company 4/24/08!!*** Kevin Vahey wrote: > Waking up in Japan to reports there were major problems with the > ballgame feed on Tuesday. > > I do want to say the people at NTV Nippon TV have been wonderful. I > know there was a major screwup in Anchorage this morning but I thought > it was solved but it appears something else went wrong. > > BTW I am a zombie as I flew out on Sunday and saw airports in Seattle, > Anchorage and Tokyo. > > What day is it? > > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 20:17:01 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:17:01 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d301c88ed6$b76cb740$0202a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the Clown and then ABC > cartoons. Found this Ring A Ding The Clown tribute page, which has several still photos shot inside and outside 1819 Elm St.: http://www.captainerniesshowboat.com/ringading How long did WMUR use those antique cameras shown in those photos? Mark Watson Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 25 20:54:05 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:54:05 -0500 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <00d301c88ed6$b76cb740$0202a8c0@Mark> References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> <00d301c88ed6$b76cb740$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803251754x3b46aa91i20d6d94a638dd464@mail.gmail.com> They used those RCA TK 31's until 1973 To be fair they were state of the art when then the station signed on On 3/25/08, Mark Watson wrote: > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the Clown and then ABC > > cartoons. > > Found this Ring A Ding The Clown tribute page, which has several still > photos shot inside and outside 1819 Elm St.: > > http://www.captainerniesshowboat.com/ringading > > How long did WMUR use those antique cameras shown in those photos? > > Mark Watson > Mark Watson > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Mar 25 21:06:15 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:06:15 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <63816.99212.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002001c88c14$9df6f060$4c5dd962@Mark> <4fc429770803221017q4c5c2a81re787050b9a9cab97@mail.gmail.com> <00d301c88ed6$b76cb740$0202a8c0@Mark> <4fc429770803251754x3b46aa91i20d6d94a638dd464@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> It would be interesting to hear from people who worked at WMUR at the time of the transition from United Television ownership to Imes. It must have been like night and day. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > They used those RCA TK 31's until 1973 > > To be fair they were state of the art when then the station signed on > > On 3/25/08, Mark Watson wrote: >> >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> >> > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding the Clown and then ABC >> > cartoons. >> >> Found this Ring A Ding The Clown tribute page, which has several still >> photos shot inside and outside 1819 Elm St.: >> >> http://www.captainerniesshowboat.com/ringading >> >> How long did WMUR use those antique cameras shown in those photos? >> >> Mark Watson >> Mark Watson >> >> From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 25 21:16:20 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:16:20 -0400 Subject: what happened? References: <4fc429770803251331j2914c8f5j884ded2cc0f4f0c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003401c88ede$fff3f0c0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> I would swear I was watching the game on Channel 4 and they switched to the today show. I found the game eventually on NESN. But I may have sat on the remote. The worst part of the trip used to be that bus ride from the airport. You can take the train now, and it's a lot better, but still... You think you're there when you land, and you have another two hours to go, what with getting throuugh customs and getting into town. Of course, you probably got the VIP treatment all around... -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: what happened? > Waking up in Japan to reports there were major problems with the > ballgame feed on Tuesday. > > I do want to say the people at NTV Nippon TV have been wonderful. I > know there was a major screwup in Anchorage this morning but I thought > it was solved but it appears something else went wrong. > > BTW I am a zombie as I flew out on Sunday and saw airports in Seattle, > Anchorage and Tokyo. > > What day is it? > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 23:08:13 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's amazing. In spite of the primitive facilities at the time, the folks at WMUR-TV still managed to put out some great TV that people STILL remember to this day. I applaud their efforts. For those of us who worked in television, I, myself, can appreciate what many folks in TV did, using the most primitive equipment around. Like Kevin Vahey at WXPO and WMUR, Dwight Damon at WMUR and myself at the original Channel 46 (WHRC-TV/Norwell, MA), we took a lot of pride in the work we did. To many people, doing Master Control (and such) seems like a monotonous kind of work. But when I was new in the game (back in '88), I always felt that it was truly an art-form. I was amazed on how good it actually came out on the home receiver. It was the most fun for me in my nearly 30 years of broadcasting. It's the biggest "high" to know that somewhere out there, someone is watching what I'm doing on "the board". Today, I'm still doing MCO part-time now in the "Queen City" at Channel 60 and loving it! 73, Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts --- Doug Drown wrote: > It would be interesting to hear from people who > worked at WMUR at the time > of the transition from United Television ownership > to Imes. It must have > been like night and day. -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Mark Watson" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > > They used those RCA TK 31's until 1973 > > > > To be fair they were state of the art when then > the station signed on > > > > On 3/25/08, Mark Watson > wrote: > >> > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> > >> > >> > Saturday MUR would start off with Ring A Ding > the Clown and then ABC > >> > cartoons. > >> > >> Found this Ring A Ding The Clown tribute page, > which has several still > >> photos shot inside and outside 1819 Elm St.: > >> > >> http://www.captainerniesshowboat.com/ringading > >> > >> How long did WMUR use those antique cameras > shown in those photos? > >> > >> Mark Watson > >> Mark Watson > >> > >> > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Mar 26 08:31:52 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:31:52 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> On 3/25/08, Peter Q. George wrote: > It's amazing. In spite of the primitive facilities at > the time, the folks at WMUR-TV still managed to put > out some great TV that people STILL remember to this > day. I'm not sure if I'd call it "great tv"..."so bad it was good" might be a better term. It was so cheesy that it was memorable. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 26 17:11:39 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:11:39 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > On 3/25/08, Peter Q. George wrote: >> It's amazing. In spite of the primitive facilities at >> the time, the folks at WMUR-TV still managed to put >> out some great TV that people STILL remember to this >> day. > > I'm not sure if I'd call it "great tv"..."so bad it was good" might be > a better term. It was so cheesy that it was memorable. To give credit where it's due: I don't think they were notably cheesier than the average station in NH or ME in the '60s. Just comparably cheesy: they were "state of the art"! I thought WGAN-13 had a little edge over the rest in good production and operation values, but most of the NH and ME stations I could see from Portsmouth -- WMUR-9, WMTW-8, WCSH-6, and WENH-11 -- sometimes had "programs" that consisted of an announcer reading news over a lame-looking slide. And some of the local shows on 6, 8, or 11 were as un-slick as anything on channel 9. (Oh, man: I'm having a flashback to the "Swap Shop"...) --RC From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 26 18:43:16 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:43:16 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >To give credit where it's due: I don't think they were notably cheesier >than the average station in NH or ME in the '60s. Just comparably >cheesy: they were "state of the art"! You're right, of course; when I first moved to Maine in '76, WGAN did indeed have an edge over the rest of the Portland-Lewiston area stations in terms of good production. WCSH and WMTW managed to catch up, eventually. (I remember the first time I saw a new, nicely FILMED "NewsCenter 6" intro --- back in the early '80s, I think --- that was comparable to stuff I'd seen in Boston ten years earlier, and I went, "Whoooooo.") Bangor, on the other hand, was another story altogether. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> On 3/25/08, Peter Q. George wrote: >>> It's amazing. In spite of the primitive facilities at >>> the time, the folks at WMUR-TV still managed to put >>> out some great TV that people STILL remember to this >>> day. >> >> I'm not sure if I'd call it "great tv"..."so bad it was good" might be >> a better term. It was so cheesy that it was memorable. > > To give credit where it's due: I don't think they were notably cheesier > than the average station in NH or ME in the '60s. Just comparably > cheesy: they were "state of the art"! > > I thought WGAN-13 had a little edge over the rest in good production and > operation values, but most of the NH and ME stations I could see from > Portsmouth -- WMUR-9, WMTW-8, WCSH-6, and WENH-11 -- sometimes had > "programs" that consisted of an announcer reading news over a lame-looking > slide. And some of the local shows on 6, 8, or 11 were as un-slick as > anything on channel 9. > > (Oh, man: I'm having a flashback to the "Swap Shop"...) > > --RC > From billohno@gmail.com Wed Mar 26 19:15:57 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:15:57 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> Doug Drown wrote: > (I remember the first time I saw a new, nicely FILMED "NewsCenter 6" > intro --- back in the early '80s, I think --- that was comparable to > stuff I'd seen in Boston ten years earlier, and I went, "Whoooooo.") It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. The manual weather maps. One Boston channel had their maps on a three-sided structure that rotated and had 'stops' when a map was facing front. Once, the guy gave it too hard of a spin and it passed the next map and kept right on going. Once, Gus over at 9 tapped his map and the magnets fell off. Talk about a high to low. WBZ had a slider map with multiple layers on tracks that would occasion to get 'stuck' as the guy was trying to coolly move on to the next one. OTOH, their forecasts were fairly accurate and that's what really mattered. Superimposed upon any legacy newscast discussion is the fact that at that point in time, the role local news people played in the community at large eclipses anything we would see now. Bill O'Neill From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 19:55:45 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back! (was Re: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <477066.13839.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> While vacationing in Belleau Lake (East Wakefield), NH in 1969 and again in 1972, my family and I were treated to 3 and half channels of programming. Channel 9 was not a factor we had a ridge of hills between us and Goffstown. The signal was really in the mud and not usable. However, we did get TV from the Portland market. WCSH/6 had the strongest signal from Sabago with NBC, but was loaded with multicolored ghosts due to multipath. Their "WCSH Eyewitness News" tried so hard to compete. I remember that Channel 6 was using some older color cameras and looked a little 1960-ish on the air, like the old GE color camera "look" (contrast issues). You knew when Channel 6's tower was being hit by lightning, when we would see brief (couple of second) loss-of-signal intervals would happen. We would be getting hit about 30 minutes beforehand (in NH) with some really heavy thunder-boomers. Channel 8/WMTW-TV had a good signal from Mt. Washington, had ABC but had some pretty hokey local programming. They had what they called "News Circle" with one color camera with a talking head reader and no newsfilm whatsoever. Who can forget Marty Engstrom from the mountain with the weather and his signature smile at the end! Channel 8 did not go full-color until 1970. They had a booth announcer that sounded like he always had a cold.... "This is TV-8 in Poland Spring, Baine". He actually was the newsreader on "News Circle" during the time I stayed up there in 1972. Then there was Channel 13/WGAN-TV, probably the slickest operation of the three. Yes, "The Channel 13 Newsbeat!", with full-color newsfilm as far back as 1969. There was no contest. Couple that with the top rated CBS programming and you had a winner. Once in a while, during the summer (tropo), Channel 5 (WHDH/WCVB) in Boston would come in pretty well. Even WCAX/3 from Burlington would show up from time-to-time. Channel 11/WENH really had nothing to offer other than usual PBS stuff. We finally had UHF in the area from MPBN when WMEG (later WMEA) on Channel 26 fired up in late 1974. But then again it was just another PBS. Even during my formative years (9-12), I could distinguish the differences between the local stations. They were all quite unique. I wish I had a VCR back then! Now, all of these stations (today) are high-tech with HDTV just about the take off. What a difference 40 years can make! -Pete --- Doug Drown wrote: > >To give credit where it's due: I don't think they > were notably cheesier > >than the average station in NH or ME in the '60s. > Just comparably > >cheesy: they were "state of the art"! > > You're right, of course; when I first moved to Maine > in '76, WGAN did indeed > have an edge over the rest of the Portland-Lewiston > area stations in terms > of good production. WCSH and WMTW managed to catch > up, eventually. (I > remember the first time I saw a new, nicely FILMED > "NewsCenter 6" intro --- > back in the early '80s, I think --- that was > comparable to stuff I'd seen in > Boston ten years earlier, and I went, "Whoooooo.") > > Bangor, on the other hand, was another story > altogether. > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chonak" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > > SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >> On 3/25/08, Peter Q. George > wrote: > >>> It's amazing. In spite of the primitive > facilities at > >>> the time, the folks at WMUR-TV still managed to > put > >>> out some great TV that people STILL remember to > this > >>> day. > >> > >> I'm not sure if I'd call it "great tv"..."so bad > it was good" might be > >> a better term. It was so cheesy that it was > memorable. > > > > To give credit where it's due: I don't think they > were notably cheesier > > than the average station in NH or ME in the '60s. > Just comparably > > cheesy: they were "state of the art"! > > > > I thought WGAN-13 had a little edge over the rest > in good production and > > operation values, but most of the NH and ME > stations I could see from > > Portsmouth -- WMUR-9, WMTW-8, WCSH-6, and WENH-11 > -- sometimes had > > "programs" that consisted of an announcer reading > news over a lame-looking > > slide. And some of the local shows on 6, 8, or > 11 were as un-slick as > > anything on channel 9. > > > > (Oh, man: I'm having a flashback to the "Swap > Shop"...) > > > > --RC > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 26 20:29:25 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:29:25 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. The >manual weather maps. Who can forget Don Kent standing there in front of his slider chalkboard maps, writing with his big white pastel chalks, and all the incredible hand-done detail that he'd put on each map? I remember that three-sided rotating map thingy too, but can't recall which station had it. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Richard Chonak" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: WMUR > Doug Drown wrote: >> (I remember the first time I saw a new, nicely FILMED "NewsCenter 6" >> intro --- back in the early '80s, I think --- that was comparable to >> stuff I'd seen in Boston ten years earlier, and I went, "Whoooooo.") > > It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. The > manual weather maps. One Boston channel had their maps on a three-sided > structure that rotated and had 'stops' when a map was facing front. Once, > the guy gave it too hard of a spin and it passed the next map and kept > right on going. Once, Gus over at 9 tapped his map and the magnets fell > off. Talk about a high to low. WBZ had a slider map with multiple layers > on tracks that would occasion to get 'stuck' as the guy was trying to > coolly move on to the next one. OTOH, their forecasts were fairly > accurate and that's what really mattered. Superimposed upon any legacy > newscast discussion is the fact that at that point in time, the role local > news people played in the community at large eclipses anything we would > see now. > > Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 26 20:44:00 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back Message-ID: <0e0b01c88fa3$a85ede90$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >Who can forget Marty Engstrom from the mountain with the weather and his signature smile at the end! Marty is still with us; he's been retired several years. He had a big fan club, you know, and IIRC they had a celebration in his honor shortly after he got through. >Even WCAX/3 from Burlington would show up from time-to-time. I was visiting some people in West Forks, Maine, one day a number of years ago; West Forks is between Bingham and Jackman, on the main highway to Quebec City. They lived way up on a hill. They had an antenna rotor and could get both WCAX, which came in very well, and CHSJ-TV in Saint John, which was quite watchable but a little snowy. The two cities are close to 500 miles apart. Bangor, Sherbrooke and Quebec City came in as though they were next door. -Doug From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 21:13:35 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back In-Reply-To: <0e0b01c88fa3$a85ede90$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > >Who can forget Marty Engstrom > from the mountain with the weather and his signature > smile at the end! > > Marty is still with us; he's been retired several > years. He had a big fan > club, you know, and IIRC they had a celebration in > his honor shortly after > he got through. Marty was favorite for many people, for years. Channel 8 was always there, even south of Boston (on a good day). It was fun watching Marty from the mountain, even 200 miles away! What a time! > > >Even WCAX/3 from Burlington would show up from > time-to-time. > > I was visiting some people in West Forks, Maine, one > day a number of years > ago; West Forks is between Bingham and Jackman, on > the main highway to > Quebec City. They lived way up on a hill. They had > an antenna rotor and > could get both WCAX, which came in very well, and > CHSJ-TV in Saint John, > which was quite watchable but a little snowy. The > two cities are close to > 500 miles apart. Bangor, Sherbrooke and Quebec > City came in as though they > were next door. -Doug > That's amazing! They probably had the most variety of TV stations anywhere. That I wish I could have seen. Then again, I took a portable color set up Whiteface Mountain (Wilmington, NY) and had several channels "three to four stations deep" on both VHF and UHF. Who needed cable?! ;)! -Pete Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 26 21:16:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:16:54 -0500 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803261816j689688e9x982fea3994abb589@mail.gmail.com> When Channel 9 lost the Altantic account they started using a 3 sided board called the Gulf Weather Vane When they lost Gulf they just covered up the logo I would love to see a New Hampshire Bandstand tape....that was a crazy show both on and off air Clyde and Willie May Joy was a trip to work as well Looks like Clyde was still performing as late as 2002 and his Circle 9 Ranch still exists http://www.circle9ranch.com/index.html http://portsmouthemployment.com/2002news/hampton/09172002/news/24771.htm Clyde was actually very well regarded by the C&W stars of the day. On 3/26/08, Doug Drown wrote: > >It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. The > >manual weather maps. > > Who can forget Don Kent standing there in front of his slider chalkboard > maps, writing with his big white pastel chalks, > and all the incredible hand-done detail that he'd put on each map? I > remember that three-sided rotating map thingy too, > but can't recall which station had it. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill O'Neill" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: "Richard Chonak" ; "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: WMUR > > > > Doug Drown wrote: > >> (I remember the first time I saw a new, nicely FILMED "NewsCenter 6" > >> intro --- back in the early '80s, I think --- that was comparable to > >> stuff I'd seen in Boston ten years earlier, and I went, "Whoooooo.") > > > > It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. The > > manual weather maps. One Boston channel had their maps on a three-sided > > structure that rotated and had 'stops' when a map was facing front. Once, > > the guy gave it too hard of a spin and it passed the next map and kept > > right on going. Once, Gus over at 9 tapped his map and the magnets fell > > off. Talk about a high to low. WBZ had a slider map with multiple layers > > on tracks that would occasion to get 'stuck' as the guy was trying to > > coolly move on to the next one. OTOH, their forecasts were fairly > > accurate and that's what really mattered. Superimposed upon any legacy > > newscast discussion is the fact that at that point in time, the role local > > news people played in the community at large eclipses anything we would > > see now. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > From markwats@comcast.net Wed Mar 26 21:34:55 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:34:55 -0400 Subject: WMUR References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown><779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com><9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com><47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com><0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com><0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803261816j689688e9x982fea3994abb589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c88faa$c40037a0$0202a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Looks like Clyde was still performing as late as 2002 > and his Circle 9 Ranch still exists Looking at that link to the 2002 entertainment schedule at the Deerfield Fair, I saw a couple of other notable names listed. Longtime radio personality Gene Laverne (who has since passed on) was listed as the emcee for the country show featuring Clyde Joy. Also listed was Dwight Damon's Star Spangled Circus. Dwight of course was Ring A Ding The Clown for many years. Mark Watson From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Mar 26 23:28:11 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:28:11 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back References: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of stations accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in Westminster, Mass., might have held the record. Before they got cable a few years back, they could twirl the antenna and get 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from Framingham; 3 from Hartford; 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a good day, 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; 27 from Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and 57 from Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Old Vacation TV observations from way back > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> >Who can forget Marty Engstrom >> from the mountain with the weather and his signature >> smile at the end! >> >> Marty is still with us; he's been retired several >> years. He had a big fan >> club, you know, and IIRC they had a celebration in >> his honor shortly after >> he got through. > > Marty was favorite for many people, for years. > Channel 8 was always there, even south of Boston (on a > good day). It was fun watching Marty from the > mountain, even 200 miles away! What a time! >> >> >Even WCAX/3 from Burlington would show up from >> time-to-time. >> >> I was visiting some people in West Forks, Maine, one >> day a number of years >> ago; West Forks is between Bingham and Jackman, on >> the main highway to >> Quebec City. They lived way up on a hill. They had >> an antenna rotor and >> could get both WCAX, which came in very well, and >> CHSJ-TV in Saint John, >> which was quite watchable but a little snowy. The >> two cities are close to >> 500 miles apart. Bangor, Sherbrooke and Quebec >> City came in as though they >> were next door. -Doug >> > > That's amazing! They probably had the most variety of > TV stations anywhere. That I wish I could have seen. > Then again, I took a portable color set up Whiteface > Mountain (Wilmington, NY) and had several channels > "three to four stations deep" on both VHF and UHF. > Who needed cable?! ;)! > > -Pete > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 26 21:38:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:38:08 -0500 Subject: Dale Arnold did the Celtics??? Message-ID: <4fc429770803261838v1be9526ej17eed16426602c6b@mail.gmail.com> The WRKO website says the following Dale Arnold (born March 27, 1956) is a sportscaster who is primarily known as the co-host of the Dale & Holley Show on WEEI and the former play-by-play announcer for the Boston Bruins. Dale is the only sportscaster to do the play-by-pay for ALL FIVE major sports teams in New England (Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Bruins and Revolution). Dale will be calling the games with Joe when Dave is unavailable due to other national play-by-play duties. When did he do the Celtics????? http://wrko.com/pages/1600475.php From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 27 00:24:41 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:24:41 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EAE949.10584.AB372D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Mar 2008 at 19:15, Bill O'Neill wrote: > It would be great to see those old newscasts again. Just for yucks. > The manual weather maps. One Boston channel had their maps on a > three-sided structure that rotated and had 'stops' when a map was > facing front. Once, the guy gave it too hard of a spin and it passed > the next map and kept right on going. Sometime circa 1950, channel 4 had a meteorologist by the name of Dr. James Austin. His weather map was a blank map of the US printed on a large tablet of paper, and he used dark colored chalk or charcoal to draw in the weather systems and temperatures. Each day, he would first review yesterday's map briefly, then turn the page to "today's map" and begin drawing in today's weather systems. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 27 00:24:41 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:24:41 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47EAE949.25810.AB3865@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Mar 2008 at 20:29, Doug Drown wrote: > Who can forget Don Kent standing there in front of his slider > chalkboard maps, writing with his big white pastel chalks, and all the > incredible hand-done detail that he'd put on each map? I remember > that three-sided rotating map thingy too, but can't recall which > station had it. -Doug Then there was the woman on channel 7 (I think) who stood behind a transparent map and wrote first with one hand, then with the other. At first I thought she also had the talent for writing backwards, then I realized that the picture was electronically reversed. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 00:16:30 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dale Arnold did the Celtics??? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803261838v1be9526ej17eed16426602c6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <905387.36737.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The WRKO website says the following > > Dale Arnold (born March 27, 1956) is a sportscaster who is primarily > known as the co-host of the Dale & Holley Show on WEEI and the former > play-by-play announcer for the Boston Bruins. Dale is the only > sportscaster to do the play-by-pay for ALL FIVE major sports teams in > New England (Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Bruins and Revolution). Dale > will be calling the games with Joe when Dave is unavailable due to > other national play-by-play duties. > > When did he do the Celtics????? > > http://wrko.com/pages/1600475.php I'm thinking he did the Celtics as a fill-in a few wyears ago, when Spencer Ross had a death in the family. May be my memory failing me, though. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Mar 27 06:48:22 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:48:22 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back In-Reply-To: <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> I grew up in Colchester, CT, a small town in the eastern part of the state that is about halfway between Boston and New York. As a result, I was able to pull in a ton of TV stations using the rotor- powered roof antenna. The locals were 3, 8, 24, 30 and 53. Going due east, I got 6, 10, 12 & 36 from Providence. Boston tended to be spotty, but 25, 27, 38 and 56 were regulars with 44 and 68 occasional catches. 2, 4, 5 and 7 were fairly reliable, but 2&4 less so with 3 only 30 miles up the road. 22 & 40 and occasionally 57 from Springfield were regulars. Then you had New York. Spinning the rotor to the southwest, the VHF's came in regularly 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 but the UHF's didn't. E-Skip in the summer tended to make it difficult to watch anything due to so many stations booming in but since I was a geeky DX kid back then I didn't mind a bit! Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of > stations accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in > Westminster, Mass., might have held the record. Before they got > cable a few years back, they could twirl the antenna and get > 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from Framingham; 3 from > Hartford; > 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a > good day, 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; > 27 from Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and > 57 from Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? > > -Doug > From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:26:01 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:26:01 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back Message-ID: <8CA5E1CDA278477-1658-261A@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Height is the magic bullet for TV / FM reception and salt water is what does wonders on the AM band. When vacationing on the Cape (West Dennis / South Yarmouth area) as a kid in the '60s (and later on when my parents had retired there), during the DAY, it was no problem hearing stations - even low-power ones - from Long Island, NYC, Atlantic City, the Delmarva coast / Tidewater - VA Beach area, and even little WOBR-1530 on the NC Outer Banks and (then) WAPE-690 Jacksonville, FL. Even now from West Dennis Beach, with any kind of sensitive gear, you can pick up the Turks & Caicos station on 530 with Spanish religion. Distance 1400 miles, no skip required. Going the other way, Maine, New Brunswick, PEI, and Nova Scotia were a "piece of cake". These guys got even louder if you travelled past the "elbow" of Chatham and set up your radio out at Nauset Beach. At night it really got wild with DX from Europe, Africa, the Middle East, the Caribbean, and South America there for the taking, even on something as modest as a Realistic TRF portable or a car radio. August of 1966 featured incredible conditions during a stay in W. Dennis near the mouth of the Bass River. Of course better gear produced even better results, so by the mid '70s, I had an R-390A military-surplus receiver up and running at my parents' place in West Yarmouth for monthly visits. Got things like China, Paraguay, and Lesotho on the regular AM band with that. I still have fun with the AM side of long-haul reception as some of you do with TV and FM. Mountain height may give AM a minor boost, but the ocean gives it a huge one. A few times a year I'll take some equipment (including an SDR-IQ spectrum-recording receiver) out to Granite Pier in Rockport, arguably the best foreign DX receiving site in metro-Boston. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of stations accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in Westminster, Mass., might have held the record. Before they got cable a few years back, they could twirl the antenna and get 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from Framingham; 3 from Hartford; 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a good day, 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; 27 from Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and 57 from Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? -Doug >> From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 09:21:25 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:21:25 -0400 Subject: Chicago radio giant dies Message-ID: <4fc429770803270621m6b223429x420016c7271caca7@mail.gmail.com> WGN and the Chicago Tribune have announced that former WGN morning man Wally Phillips has died at the age of 82. Few announcers ever owned a market like Phillips did in Chicago. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 09:31:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:31:19 -0400 Subject: WMUR In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350803270520h5abd657em944059d56ec40fc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <0d9701c88edd$98080c40$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <779821.95413.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350803260531j1d6040f7oea298ce7fa1693eb@mail.gmail.com> <47EABC0B.5060800@gabrielmass.com> <0df101c88f92$c8c8f730$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47EAD92D.10502@gmail.com> <0e0301c88fa1$9f1e7860$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803261816j689688e9x982fea3994abb589@mail.gmail.com> <9ff2be350803270520h5abd657em944059d56ec40fc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803270631r36b3c26aied0479424961a838@mail.gmail.com> Circle 9 was chosen because of WMUR. The logo in those early days was a circle 9. When I worked there I had no idea who Clyde Joy was but years later would find out. I was talking one night to an old friend John Lincoln Wright who told me that Joy was an inspiration to him when he was younger. He said Clyde would have held his own in Nashville but decided he could be a big fish in a small pond called Northern New England. Who knew.... On 3/27/08, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > On 3/26/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > > and his Circle 9 Ranch still exists > > http://www.circle9ranch.com/index.html > > > > Was the name "Circle 9" a tie-in with WMUR or did the ranch exist > before the tv station? > > There was another country music venue right on Rt. 3 in Merrimack that > closed in the 70s, anyone remember the name of that one? > From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 27 09:43:00 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back References: <8CA5E1CDA278477-1658-261A@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003d01c89010$79e16430$6401a8c0@DougDrown> A good many of the 5 kw stations from the Boston area can be picked up during the day in midcoast Maine, between Brunswick and Ellsworth --- and WEZE 590 can be received well northeast of there. That's probably true in Nova Scotia as well. WBZ's daytime signal cuts an arc all the way from Sackville, N.B., to Port Jervis, N.Y., with radii extending all the way to Schenectady and west of Sherbrooke (and probably WELL out to sea). No wonder they put the transmitter in Hull. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back > Height is the magic bullet for TV / FM reception and salt water is what > does wonders on the AM band. > > When vacationing on the Cape (West Dennis / South Yarmouth area) as a kid > in the '60s (and later on when my parents had retired there), during the > DAY, it was no problem hearing stations - even low-power ones - from Long > Island, NYC, Atlantic City, the Delmarva coast / Tidewater - VA Beach > area, and even little WOBR-1530 on the NC Outer Banks and (then) WAPE-690 > Jacksonville, FL. Even now from West Dennis Beach, with any kind of > sensitive gear, you can pick up the Turks & Caicos station on 530 with > Spanish religion. Distance 1400 miles, no skip required. > > Going the other way, Maine, New Brunswick, PEI, and Nova Scotia were a > "piece of cake". These guys got even louder if you travelled past the > "elbow" of Chatham and set up your radio out at Nauset Beach. > > At night it really got wild with DX from Europe, Africa, the Middle East, > the Caribbean, and South America there for the taking, even on something > as modest as a Realistic TRF portable or a car radio. August of 1966 > featured incredible conditions during a stay in W. Dennis near the mouth > of the Bass River. Of course better gear produced even better results, so > by the mid '70s, I had an R-390A military-surplus receiver up and running > at my parents' place in West Yarmouth for monthly visits. Got things like > China, Paraguay, and Lesotho on the regular AM band with that. > > I still have fun with the AM side of long-haul reception as some of you do > with TV and FM. Mountain height may give AM a minor boost, but the ocean > gives it a huge one. A few times a year I'll take some equipment > (including an SDR-IQ spectrum-recording receiver) out to Granite Pier in > Rockport, arguably the best foreign DX receiving site in metro-Boston. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > << > The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of stations > accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in Westminster, Mass., might > have held the record. Before they got cable a few years back, they could > twirl the antenna and get 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from > Framingham; 3 from Hartford; > 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a good day, > 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; 27 from > Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and 57 from > Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? > > -Doug >>> From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 10:00:07 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:00:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Radio record libraries (was: TV Cartoons) Message-ID: <16424096.1206626407308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > CC: > To: "Doug Drown" > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: TV cartoons > > Back in the 1980s when 1150 became WMEX oldies, I wondered > whether they were using records left over from the WCOP > Top 40 days, but I suspect not. I worked at 1150 WMEX. There were no physical connections whatsoever at the Greater Media studios (in the Salada Tes building on Stuart St. at the time) to previous incarnations of 1150 in different locations under previous owners. Also, it had been nearly two decades since WCOP's Top 40 days, so wherever their old library went, I'm sure it was long gone! Before the era of entire music formats being downloaded to hard drives, 1150 WMEX's studio oldies library was all on carts (I'm sure many of us remember tape carts) which was typical for radio studio libraries in the 1970s and '80s, until soon CD's and then digital drives came along. The basic oldies package (the bulk of the common hits) was supplied by Greater Media corporate. Additions (plus better sounding carting jobs of some of the same songs we already got from corporate) were created by various staffers from their own collections, and from albums that were in the WMJX station library that contained some oldies. There were a number of serious oldies collectors who worked at 1150 WMEX (including Jack Nash, the late Quentin Migliori and Little Walter DeVenne, among others), so practically any known oldie could be found if needed. EP From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 10:08:53 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:08:53 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back In-Reply-To: <003d01c89010$79e16430$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <8CA5E1CDA278477-1658-261A@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> <003d01c89010$79e16430$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803270708s3f9d5230j898b997b1cae9e5d@mail.gmail.com> What I found amazing is how well several Boston and Maine stations could be heard in the daytime in Newfoundland because even as the seagull flies you are talking at least 800 miles. On 3/27/08, Doug Drown wrote: > A good many of the 5 kw stations from the Boston area > can be picked up during the day in midcoast Maine, between Brunswick and > Ellsworth --- and WEZE 590 can be received well northeast of there. That's > probably true in Nova Scotia as well. > > WBZ's daytime signal cuts an arc all the way from Sackville, N.B., to Port > Jervis, N.Y., with radii extending all the way to Schenectady and west of > Sherbrooke (and probably WELL out to sea). No wonder they put the > transmitter in Hull. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back > > > > Height is the magic bullet for TV / FM reception and salt water is what > > does wonders on the AM band. > > > > When vacationing on the Cape (West Dennis / South Yarmouth area) as a kid > > in the '60s (and later on when my parents had retired there), during the > > DAY, it was no problem hearing stations - even low-power ones - from Long > > Island, NYC, Atlantic City, the Delmarva coast / Tidewater - VA Beach > > area, and even little WOBR-1530 on the NC Outer Banks and (then) WAPE-690 > > Jacksonville, FL. Even now from West Dennis Beach, with any kind of > > sensitive gear, you can pick up the Turks & Caicos station on 530 with > > Spanish religion. Distance 1400 miles, no skip required. > > > > Going the other way, Maine, New Brunswick, PEI, and Nova Scotia were a > > "piece of cake". These guys got even louder if you travelled past the > > "elbow" of Chatham and set up your radio out at Nauset Beach. > > > > At night it really got wild with DX from Europe, Africa, the Middle East, > > the Caribbean, and South America there for the taking, even on something > > as modest as a Realistic TRF portable or a car radio. August of 1966 > > featured incredible conditions during a stay in W. Dennis near the mouth > > of the Bass River. Of course better gear produced even better results, so > > by the mid '70s, I had an R-390A military-surplus receiver up and running > > at my parents' place in West Yarmouth for monthly visits. Got things like > > China, Paraguay, and Lesotho on the regular AM band with that. > > > > I still have fun with the AM side of long-haul reception as some of you do > > with TV and FM. Mountain height may give AM a minor boost, but the ocean > > gives it a huge one. A few times a year I'll take some equipment > > (including an SDR-IQ spectrum-recording receiver) out to Granite Pier in > > Rockport, arguably the best foreign DX receiving site in metro-Boston. > > > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > > > << > > The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of stations > > accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in Westminster, Mass., might > > have held the record. Before they got cable a few years back, they could > > twirl the antenna and get 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from > > Framingham; 3 from Hartford; > > 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a good day, > > 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; 27 from > > Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and 57 from > > Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? > > > > -Doug > >>> > > From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 10:45:42 2008 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back Message-ID: <620242.23771.qm@web34504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:43:00 AM Subject: Re: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back A good many of the 5 kw stations from the Boston area can be picked up during the day in midcoast Maine, between Brunswick and Ellsworth --- and WEZE 590 can be received well northeast of there. That's probably true in Nova Scotia as well. WBZ's daytime signal cuts an arc all the way from Sackville, N.B., to Port Jervis, N.Y., with radii extending all the way to Schenectady and west of Sherbrooke (and probably WELL out to sea). No wonder they put the transmitter in Hull. Actually goes a bit further than that...I live in Amherst, NS (just over the border from Sackville) and can pick up 'BZ there too. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From lspin@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 11:31:20 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:31:20 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back In-Reply-To: <64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> References: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> Message-ID: <001201c8901f$9ca69d50$d5f3d7f0$@net> And wasn't it always a bit more fun to watch channels through the snowy and ghosty pictures, knowing that they were far, far away. That was a big part of the enjoyment of watching Uncle Gus and/or Salty Brine from our apartment in Boston's North End. Although, sometimes they came in better than the locals depending on all the reflections from buildings, Logan Airport and the Coast Guard Base down the street. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Subject: Re: Old Vacation TV observations from way back I grew up in Colchester, CT, a small town in the eastern part of the state that is about halfway between Boston and New York. As a result, I was able to pull in a ton of TV stations using the rotor- powered roof antenna. The locals were 3, 8, 24, 30 and 53. Going due east, I got 6, 10, 12 & 36 from Providence. Boston tended to be spotty, but 25, 27, 38 and 56 were regulars with 44 and 68 occasional catches. 2, 4, 5 and 7 were fairly reliable, but 2&4 less so with 3 only 30 miles up the road. 22 & 40 and occasionally 57 from Springfield were regulars. Then you had New York. Spinning the rotor to the southwest, the VHF's came in regularly 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 but the UHF's didn't. E-Skip in the summer tended to make it difficult to watch anything due to so many stations booming in but since I was a geeky DX kid back then I didn't mind a bit! Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Mar 27 11:48:41 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:48:41 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back References: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> <001201c8901f$9ca69d50$d5f3d7f0$@net> Message-ID: <000601c89022$0915f1a0$0201a8c0@Family> Lou noted: > And wasn't it always a bit more fun to watch channels through the snowy > and > ghosty pictures, knowing that they were far, far away. That was a big > part > of the enjoyment of watching Uncle Gus and/or Salty Brine from our > apartment > in Boston's North End. Although, sometimes they came in better than the > locals depending on all the reflections from buildings, Logan Airport and > the Coast Guard Base down the street. > okay - a little to the left. now back to the right. no, the other right ... okay, you almost have it. nope. stand on one foot. good. now move the left antennea back to the right. no, no... the left one to the right. geesh. dang kids. do i have to do this myself? (kids) maybe you should, Dad. show us how it's done... (duckin', grinnin' and out the door to be somewhere else, quickly) - -Chuck Igo From lspin@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 12:09:01 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back In-Reply-To: <000601c89022$0915f1a0$0201a8c0@Family> References: <678327.16247.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0e3201c88fba$95bbc8e0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> <001201c8901f$9ca69d50$d5f3d7f0$@net> <000601c89022$0915f1a0$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <001601c89024$e05d4350$a117c9f0$@net> Chuck, you are a true clairvoyant! My dad was a TV repairman, so he had these crystal, non-powered phone handsets that he would use to go between the person tuning the antenna on the roof and the one 4 stories down watching the picture. (You'd never use walkie-talkies as they might interfere with the picture during this critical process.) Of course, for the home antenna, I'd be the ground person. And the conversation would go, "How about now... Now... What do you mean it was better before!!!" -Lou -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Igo [mailto:chuckigo@maine.rr.com] Subject: Re: Old Vacation TV observations from way back okay - a little to the left. now back to the right. no, the other right ... okay, you almost have it. nope. stand on one foot. good. now move the left antennea back to the right. no, no... the left one to the right. geesh. dang kids. do i have to do this myself? (kids) maybe you should, Dad. show us how it's done... (duckin', grinnin' and out the door to be somewhere else, quickly) - -Chuck Igo From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Mar 27 13:08:51 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:08:51 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back In-Reply-To: <8CA5E1CDA278477-1658-261A@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA5E1CDA278477-1658-261A@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5E445BE06A16-1658-3866@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> << >From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 10:08:53 2008 What I found amazing is how well several Boston and Maine stations could be heard in the daytime in Newfoundland because even as the seagull flies you are talking at least 800 miles. >> On 3/27/08, Doug Drown wrote: > A good many of the 5 kw stations from the Boston area > can be picked up during the day in midcoast Maine, between Brunswick and > Ellsworth --- and WEZE 590 can be received well northeast of there. That's > probably true in Nova Scotia as well. Little WCAS (now WJIB) on 740 made it to Tusket and Clarke's Harbour on the southwest end of Nova Scotia no problem at midday during a trip I took up there in 1974. Higher powered Boston stations were the strongest things on the dial along with their 1340 local (CJLS, now silent) and Portland's WGAN-560. Heck, even some of the New Yorkers (660, 710, 880) weren't too bad. I have a 1998 daytime bandscan report from a southward-facing shore near Cape Race on the Avalon Peninsula in extreme southeast Newfoundland. Some Boston and New York stations still registered good strengths at ca. 900 miles and 1100 miles respectively. Bermuda even showed up on a couple of channels too. See "http://chowdanet.com/markc/webpage/RockportMWDX/nf_dayscan.txt". (590 covered by St. John's station) WRKO-680 = S 7.5 (740 covered by Marystown station) WEEI-850 = S 8 (950 covered by Sydney, NS station) WBZ-1030 = S 6 WILD-1090 = S 5 (1150 covered by Gaspe, QC station) WPZE(WMKI)-1260 = S 5 WJDA-1300 = S 3 WXKS-1430 = S 4 WNRB(WWZN)-1510 = S 4 1200, 1330, and 1600 were just a bit above the noise level. On the eastern shore of Newfoundland (Cappahayden, Renews, etc.) you can get Azores (693 kHz) groundwave all day. That's about 1200 miles out. Skip from Europe can persist much of the day in autumn and winter. Since WBZ's 2-stick array cuts off its signal to the east, it is not the strongest Boston station far at sea. That honor goes to WEEI-850 (best groundwave) and WWZN-1510 (best skip). WWZN may not make it to Framingham at night, but they can really pile in at Ilfracombe, southwest England on an Internet-operable receiver that I check every so often. Old WHDH-850 was easy copy on an unaided Realistic TRF portable from Ireland on my trip there in '77; a link to a recording of it is available at "http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/dx_audio.htm". Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Mar 27 13:28:49 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:28:49 -0400 Subject: Dale Arnold did the Celtics??? In-Reply-To: <905387.36737.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770803261838v1be9526ej17eed16426602c6b@mail.gmail.com> <905387.36737.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080327172755.9939A1B423A@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:16 AM 3/27/2008, Sean Smyth wrote: >I'm thinking he did the Celtics as a fill-in a few wyears ago, when >Spencer Ross had a death in the family. May be my memory failing me, though. Well, I'm checking all the articles about him that were written in the Boston media, and Celtics articles are nowhere to be found yet-- but I am still looking. In mid August 1991, when he joined WEEI, the press release said "Radio station WEEI, which is changing to an all-sports format on Sept.3, again raided WHDH yesterday [12 August] when they hired morning-drive sports anchor Dale Arnold to host the 10 a.m.-to-1 p.m., Monday-through-Friday slot. "I'm thrilled that they gave me a chance," said Arnold, who was brought to WHDH three years ago to handle play-by-play duties with the New England Patriots. "Of all the cities in the country, I've always thought that all-sports programming could go in Boston. If you're going to do talk radio, you do either politics or sports and there's enough people doing politics in this city already." Arnold moved into the WHDH morning-drive slot when the Patriots changed stations to WBZ. His talk show host experience expanded over the past three years when he filled in for Eddie Andelman, who preceded Arnold in jumping from WHDH to WEEI. He has now come full circle as he also hosts a Sunday morning talk show, focusing on football during the NFL season and thus competing with the Patriots' pregame lineup.... Arnold, a Maine native, has extensive play-by-play experience. In addition to his three-year stint with the Pats, he broadcasted AHL Maine Mariners games for seven years before doing a two-year hitch as the radio voice of the NHL New Jersey Devils." From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 17:45:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:45:58 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 Message-ID: <4fc429770803271445y6dd6aa53i824d4f6f0862ce3c@mail.gmail.com> The Herald is reporting that Julie and Jason are putting together a new version of the WEEI Network and hope to have it in 10 markets... http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1083159 Entercom execs plan to meet with "interested parties" over the next few weeks and launch the syndicated regional network later this spring. Kahn hopes to expand WEEI programming to 10 markets in New England. also of note Todd Feinburg was not picked up last week and this week the schedule does not have him listed either. Jason offered this gem "The schedule reflects what is on each particular week." From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 27 19:18:07 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:18:07 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation Radio observations from way back In-Reply-To: <620242.23771.qm@web34504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <620242.23771.qm@web34504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EC2B2F.5010101@gabrielmass.com> > From: Doug Drown > [...] > WBZ's daytime signal cuts an arc all the way from Sackville, N.B., to Port > Jervis, N.Y., > Tim Ripley wrote: > Actually goes a bit further than that...I live in Amherst, NS (just over the border from Sackville) and can pick up 'BZ there too. Sure, but among us radio fans Sackville is a big name! :-) --RC From markwats@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 21:24:46 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:24:46 -0400 Subject: Former Radio Personality John Guarino Has Passed Away Message-ID: <00a501c89072$8292f640$0202a8c0@Mark> Former MA & NH radio personality John Guarino passed away Monday March 24th at the age of 52 due to complications from recent multiple strokes. He worked at WLLH using the name Jay Carroll (early to mid 80's IIRC), and at WSMN using the name Jack Davis. The obituary in the 3/27 Lowell Sun also mentions he also used the name Sean Adams and also worked at WKBR, WJYY and WOKQ. Here's a link to the Lowell Sun obituary, please note it will be on line for 30 days from today's date (3/27): http://www.legacy.com/lowellsun/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=106436840 Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Mar 27 21:42:52 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:42:52 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803271445y6dd6aa53i824d4f6f0862ce3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803271445y6dd6aa53i824d4f6f0862ce3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC4D1C.8070303@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Todd Feinburg was not picked up last week and this week the schedule > does not have him listed either. > > Jason offered this gem > "The schedule reflects what is on each particular week. > Perhaps they plan on rotating talk shows from station to station - just like the Sox Games. e.g. Todd could be on WRKO in weeks that start with an odd-numbered Monday, etc..... From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 21:57:32 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:57:32 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 In-Reply-To: <47EC4D1C.8070303@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770803271445y6dd6aa53i824d4f6f0862ce3c@mail.gmail.com> <47EC4D1C.8070303@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803271857k6cab1f6o47527008eaa5d806@mail.gmail.com> You really wonder if they know what they are doing at times. I suppose JJ would be the logical choice in Portland. Bangor WZON. Julie says 10 markets...I dunno On 3/27/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Todd Feinburg was not picked up last week and this week the schedule > > does not have him listed either. > > > > Jason offered this gem > > "The schedule reflects what is on each particular week. > > > Perhaps they plan on rotating talk shows from station to station - just > like the Sox Games. > > e.g. Todd could be on WRKO in weeks that start with an odd-numbered > Monday, etc..... > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 22:04:47 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:04:47 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA Message-ID: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> According to an article in todays Springfield Republican, the Westinghouse Plant on Page Boulevard in East Springfield is slated to be torn down, with the parcel to become a shopping center. One of the buildings on the property still has the original towers of WBZ from the 1920's. The newspaper article can be found here: http://www.masslive.com/news/topstories/index.ssf?/base/news-2/120660211784180.xml&coll=1 The photo of the towers can be found here: http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0058/images/t.7842_i.07_rwf-tower-7.jpg -- Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 27 22:20:16 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:20:16 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> It's a shame that the building and the towers can't (or won't) be saved, not only because of the historicity of the site but because, if restored, it would make, IMO, a unique centerpiece for the project. They could call it "Radio Plaza," or if they wanted to give it a more highfalutin' moniker, "Westinghouse Commons." -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kelly" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > According to an article in todays Springfield Republican, the > Westinghouse Plant on Page Boulevard in East Springfield is slated to > be torn down, with the parcel to become a shopping center. > > One of the buildings on the property still has the original towers of > WBZ from the 1920's. > > The newspaper article can be found here: > > http://www.masslive.com/news/topstories/index.ssf?/base/news-2/120660211784180.xml&coll=1 > > The photo of the towers can be found here: > > http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0058/images/t.7842_i.07_rwf-tower-7.jpg > > -- > Rick Kelly > www.northeastairchecks.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 22:35:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:35:18 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> The article brings back the first commercial license to broadcast in the US story. Westinghouse left there in 1970. From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Mar 27 22:42:16 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:42:16 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the station's demise? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Rick Kelly" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > The article brings back the first commercial license to broadcast in > the US story. > > Westinghouse left there in 1970. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 27 22:45:01 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:45:01 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the station's > demise? It used both of them, but never to transmit from. WBZA had a "T" antenna. -GAWollman From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Thu Mar 27 18:30:25 2008 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:30:25 -0400 Subject: Old Vacation TV observations from way back In-Reply-To: <64C9BE38-F626-473B-BDFE-2CC73AFFA4A1@charter.net> Message-ID: <003401c8905a$2719ae70$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> When I lived in East Boston, with a roof antenna on top of a 3 Family and with a mast of 20' on top of that, I got the following at any time: 2,4,5, 2 channel 6's (Fall River?/Portland),7,9,10,11,12,21,23 or 24 (religious), 25, 27, 33, 38, 44, 50, 56, 58, 66, and 68. On good skip nights, I also got in, very well: 2-New York, 2 channel 3's-Hartford/?, 8-Poland Springs, 13-Portland, and a snowy station from Philly -----Original Message----- From: David Tomm [mailto:nostaticatall@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:48 AM To: Doug Drown Cc: Boston Radio Interest Board Subject: Re: Old Vacation TV observations from way back I grew up in Colchester, CT, a small town in the eastern part of the state that is about halfway between Boston and New York. As a result, I was able to pull in a ton of TV stations using the rotor- powered roof antenna. The locals were 3, 8, 24, 30 and 53. Going due east, I got 6, 10, 12 & 36 from Providence. Boston tended to be spotty, but 25, 27, 38 and 56 were regulars with 44 and 68 occasional catches. 2, 4, 5 and 7 were fairly reliable, but 2&4 less so with 3 only 30 miles up the road. 22 & 40 and occasionally 57 from Springfield were regulars. Then you had New York. Spinning the rotor to the southwest, the VHF's came in regularly 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 but the UHF's didn't. E-Skip in the summer tended to make it difficult to watch anything due to so many stations booming in but since I was a geeky DX kid back then I didn't mind a bit! Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > The West Forks story is amazing, but in terms of sheer number of > stations accessed by a roof antenna, my aunt and uncle in > Westminster, Mass., might have held the record. Before they got > cable a few years back, they could twirl the antenna and get > 2,4,5,7,25,38,44,56 and 68 from Boston; 66 from Framingham; 3 from > Hartford; > 8 from Poland Spring; 9 and 50 from Manchester; 10, 12 and, on a > good day, 6 and 36 from Providence; 11 from Durham; 19 from Albany; > 27 from Worcester; 31 from Hanover; and, albeit snowily, 22, 40 and > 57 from Springfield. As you say, Who needed cable?? > > -Doug > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 27 23:10:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:10:17 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803272010v9ce45f9jec8cec0722287313@mail.gmail.com> WBZA went dark in 1962 when I think Westinghouse bought WINS. Does anybody have a recollection on how the signal sounded between Springfield and Worcester? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Mar 27 23:58:55 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:58:55 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA Message-ID: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com> "...city's Historical Commission, said he is not aware of any historical restrictions related to demolition. " It's such an important site in MA & US radio history, the towers should be preserved! I wonder if enough letters to Historical Commision, and the planning board might help. Also people at WBZ might have a historical view? I used to work very nearby the East Springfield site, and have to admit the rest of Westinghouse there is very underused. But the towers were always a special image to me, a reminder of radio progress years ago. This proposed shopping center would be 2-3 miles from the route 20 "Eastfield Mall" (@ Parker St) and its area of secondary smaller malls. Since many stores have closed over the last 10+ years (Caldors, Ames...) and the turnover of stores in Eastfield Mall is considerable, I see this proposal not as a need to handle area consumers, but as a push to inject new competition, thus possibly unnecessary upheaval? I wonder if the Newton Company sees it as low-priced land, to build profit upon? This meeting is very soon, can we generate interest? "at 7 p.m. on Tuesday at 32 Stevens St. off Paige Blvd" (East Sprinfgfield) I'm considering going to said meeting to speak historically, any words, details, references to be presaented would be apppreciated. Bob Sutherland > [Original Message] > From: Rick Kelly > To: Boston Radio Interest > Date: 3/27/2008 10:05:49 PM > Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > > According to an article in todays Springfield Republican, the > Westinghouse Plant on Page Boulevard in East Springfield is slated to > be torn down, with the parcel to become a shopping center. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Mar 28 00:06:40 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:06:40 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com > References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080328040546.797341B5470@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 10:35 PM 3/27/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The article brings back the first commercial license to broadcast in >the US story. That happens to be the truth. There was no such thing as a commercial license till Westinghouse demanded that the government create one, and WBZ got the first, even though it says #224 on it! From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 28 05:46:20 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 5:46:20 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 Message-ID: <3046240.319421206697580683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web05-z02> ---- Kevin Vahey wrote: > You really wonder if they know what they are doing at times. > > I suppose JJ would be the logical choice in Portland. Bangor WZON. > Julie says 10 markets...I dunno > JJ's Portland operation is humming along nicely. Solid local morning and pm drive shows, Jim Rome Mid-days. Red Sox and Celtics evenings. Not sure if he would have an interest in that, although Dale Arnold middays would add a nice Maine touch and flavor. - -Chuck Igo From paul@derrynh.net Fri Mar 28 05:46:09 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:46:09 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803271857k6cab1f6o47527008eaa5d806@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c890b8$8da9b230$668ee847@YOURF7ED5FB036> WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough) would be a logical choice for Concord-Lakes and perhaps they cut a deal with Absolute Broadcasting for 1250 WGAM Manchester and 900 WGHM Nashua. All 3 stations ALREADY have the Sox..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:58 PM To: Roger Kirk Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: WEEI radio network - Take 2 You really wonder if they know what they are doing at times. I suppose JJ would be the logical choice in Portland. Bangor WZON. Julie says 10 markets...I dunno On 3/27/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Todd Feinburg was not picked up last week and this week the schedule > > does not have him listed either. > > > > Jason offered this gem > > "The schedule reflects what is on each particular week. > > > Perhaps they plan on rotating talk shows from station to station - just > like the Sox Games. > > e.g. Todd could be on WRKO in weeks that start with an odd-numbered > Monday, etc..... > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 06:39:39 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:39:39 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10803280339i5ee1ba50jd8911bfd023859a1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > This proposed shopping center would be 2-3 miles from the route 20 > "Eastfield Mall" (@ Parker St) and its area of secondary smaller malls. > Since many stores have closed over the last 10+ years (Caldors, Ames...) and > the turnover of stores in Eastfield Mall is considerable, > I see this proposal not as a need to handle area consumers, I agree, Eastfield Mall has been struggling for years. If I had to guess, the people around that part of the city might very well welcome the demolition of the Westinghouse complex. It has been an eyesore for years, and those beloved WBZ towers may not be preserved. > This meeting is very soon, can we generate interest? > "at 7 p.m. on Tuesday at 32 Stevens St. off Paige Blvd" (East Sprinfgfield) > I'm considering going to said meeting to speak historically, > any words, details, references to be presaented would be apppreciated. I'll go as well, although I don't have any plan for what to do with these towers... they'd be really cool in my back yard, but my spouse would NOT be happy. -- Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 28 08:01:25 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:01:25 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com> <521b7fd10803280339i5ee1ba50jd8911bfd023859a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <014f01c890cb$7357e4c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I agree that the old Westinghouse complex is an eyesore. I've seen it. I certainly also agree that the towers, if not the building upon which they sit, should be preserved. I wish I could be there next Tuesday to lend my voice at the meeting. One concern that I can envision being raised, IF the developers can be convinced that the towers are worth saving, is the liability issue --- how to keep people from climbing them. "Adventuresome" youth (I use the term very loosely) will try anything. As a railroad fan I've always been surprised as to how innovative and daring vandals can be. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kelly" To: ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Robert F. Sutherland > wrote: > >> This proposed shopping center would be 2-3 miles from the route 20 >> "Eastfield Mall" (@ Parker St) and its area of secondary smaller malls. >> Since many stores have closed over the last 10+ years (Caldors, Ames...) >> and >> the turnover of stores in Eastfield Mall is considerable, >> I see this proposal not as a need to handle area consumers, > > I agree, Eastfield Mall has been struggling for years. If I had to > guess, the people around that part of the city might very well welcome > the demolition of the Westinghouse complex. It has been an eyesore > for years, and those beloved WBZ towers may not be preserved. > >> This meeting is very soon, can we generate interest? >> "at 7 p.m. on Tuesday at 32 Stevens St. off Paige Blvd" (East >> Sprinfgfield) >> I'm considering going to said meeting to speak historically, >> any words, details, references to be presaented would be apppreciated. > > I'll go as well, although I don't have any plan for what to do with > these towers... they'd be really cool in my back yard, but my spouse > would NOT be happy. > > -- > Rick Kelly > www.northeastairchecks.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 08:44:34 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 Message-ID: <652004.77451.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Had this discussion with family members last week - we all agreed that Entercom is lucky that the competition for both 680 and 850 is feable (especially on the AM sports side) and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon. Julie & Jason's wacky adventure can continue without them being exposed (except to us who follow the industry.) ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Roger Kirk Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:57:32 PM Subject: Re: WEEI radio network - Take 2 You really wonder if they know what they are doing at times. I suppose JJ would be the logical choice in Portland. Bangor WZON. Julie says 10 markets...I dunno On 3/27/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Todd Feinburg was not picked up last week and this week the schedule > > does not have him listed either. > > > > Jason offered this gem > > "The schedule reflects what is on each particular week. > > > Perhaps they plan on rotating talk shows from station to station - just > like the Sox Games. > > e.g. Todd could be on WRKO in weeks that start with an odd-numbered > Monday, etc..... > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 28 09:09:30 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:09:30 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <017f01c890d4$f6199f80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> FWIW: With the economy currently in the tank, I can't imagine a worse time to build a shopping center. -Doug >Since many stores have closed over the last 10+ years (Caldors, Ames...) >and the turnover of stores in Eastfield Mall is considerable, I see this >proposal not as a need to handle area consumers, but as a push to inject >new competition, thus possibly unnecessary upheaval? I wonder if the Newton Company sees it as low-priced land, to build profit upon? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:58 PM Subject: RE: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > > > "...city's Historical Commission, said he is not aware of any historical > restrictions related to demolition. " > > It's such an important site in MA & US radio history, the towers should > be > preserved! > I wonder if enough letters to Historical Commision, and the planning board > might help. > Also people at WBZ might have a historical view? > > I used to work very nearby the East Springfield site, and have to admit > the rest of Westinghouse there is very underused. > But the towers were always a special image to me, a reminder of radio > progress years ago. > > This proposed shopping center would be 2-3 miles from the route 20 > "Eastfield Mall" (@ Parker St) and its area of secondary smaller malls. > Since many stores have closed over the last 10+ years (Caldors, Ames...) > and > the turnover of stores in Eastfield Mall is considerable, > I see this proposal not as a need to handle area consumers, > but as a push to inject new competition, thus possibly unnecessary > upheaval? > I wonder if the Newton Company sees it as low-priced land, to build > profit > upon? > > This meeting is very soon, can we generate interest? > "at 7 p.m. on Tuesday at 32 Stevens St. off Paige Blvd" (East > Sprinfgfield) > I'm considering going to said meeting to speak historically, > any words, details, references to be presaented would be apppreciated. > > Bob Sutherland > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Rick Kelly >> To: Boston Radio Interest >> Date: 3/27/2008 10:05:49 PM >> Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA >> >> According to an article in todays Springfield Republican, the >> Westinghouse Plant on Page Boulevard in East Springfield is slated to >> be torn down, with the parcel to become a shopping center. >> > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 28 11:11:02 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:11:02 -0400 Subject: FW: RE: WBZA site Message-ID: <380-220083528151120@ix.netcom.com> a couple thoughts from my ex, in Brimfield .... > ... suggests contacting US Rep [Richard] Neal of Spfld. Perhaps he could do something > if contacted by enough people. contact site is http://www.house.gov/neal/write_neal.html to be linked to his jurisdiction, perhaps use use the Brimfield adrs (80 Palmer Rd, Brimfield 01010) [my ex is a friend of radio, former DX'er] He's Based in Springfield (& Milford, huh?) I sent him an Email, with overview & Rick Kelly's links. > Also, Springfield has always made a big thing about their firsts: The > Gee-Bee airplanes, the Indian motorcycles, the first car, etc. Perhaps the > Chamber of Commerce would be interested in getting involved. Phone: 413-787-1555, ask for Anda deWolf (very helpful & interested) she suggested Email to herself: a.dewolf@westermassedc.com and Rus Denver, president of (group of several cities?) Chamber of Commerce denver@myonlinechamber.com I called her, then sent Email to both, again with overview & Rick Kelly's links. she said she heard about it on Springfield TV! I'm about to try calling WBZ itself, buut have no contacts inside. yet. anyone else who doies have inside contacts, you can help! Bob Sutherland From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 28 11:23:56 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:23:56 -0400 Subject: WBZA site References: <380-220083528151120@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <01e401c890e7$bde51050$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Bob: Great ideas, all. Thanks! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: "BRI" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: FW: RE: WBZA site >a couple thoughts from my ex, in Brimfield .... > >> ... suggests contacting US Rep [Richard] Neal of Spfld. Perhaps he could > do something >> if contacted by enough people. > > contact site is > http://www.house.gov/neal/write_neal.html > to be linked to his jurisdiction, perhaps use use the Brimfield adrs (80 > Palmer Rd, Brimfield 01010) > [my ex is a friend of radio, former DX'er] > He's Based in Springfield (& Milford, huh?) > > I sent him an Email, with overview & Rick Kelly's links. > >> Also, Springfield has always made a big thing about their firsts: The >> Gee-Bee airplanes, the Indian motorcycles, the first car, etc. Perhaps >> the >> Chamber of Commerce would be interested in getting involved. > > Phone: 413-787-1555, ask for Anda deWolf (very helpful & interested) > > she suggested Email to herself: > a.dewolf@westermassedc.com > > and Rus Denver, president of (group of several cities?) Chamber of > Commerce > > denver@myonlinechamber.com > > I called her, then sent Email to both, again with overview & Rick Kelly's > links. > she said she heard about it on Springfield TV! > > I'm about to try calling WBZ itself, buut have no contacts inside. yet. > anyone else who doies have inside contacts, you can help! > > Bob Sutherland > > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 28 12:02:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:33 -0400 Subject: FW: RE: WBZA site In-Reply-To: <380-220083528151120@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220083528151120@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <47ED1699.7010305@fybush.com> Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > I'm about to try calling WBZ itself, buut have no contacts inside. yet. > anyone else who doies have inside contacts, you can help! > I know there are several BZ'ers who are on this mailing list...I'll make some calls over there on Monday if I don't hear from them first. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Mar 28 12:59:16 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:59:16 -0400 Subject: Wally Phillips - Pioneer of Talk Radio? Message-ID: <47ED23E4.4010107@ttlc.net> According to WATN (Where Are They Now?), Wally Phillips, 82, American radio personality, pioneer of talk radio, died on 3/26/08 of Alzheimer's disease. Anybody know what market he was in? From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Mar 28 13:05:43 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: Wally Phillips - Pioneer of Talk Radio? Message-ID: <20080328170543.2941ACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> He was in Chicago, from WGN http://www.radiohof.org/newstalk/wallyphillips.html From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 28 14:04:31 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:04:31 -0400 Subject: Wally Phillips - Pioneer of Talk Radio? In-Reply-To: <47ED23E4.4010107@ttlc.net> References: <47ED23E4.4010107@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47ED332F.7050104@fybush.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > According to WATN (Where Are They Now?), Wally Phillips, 82, American > radio personality, pioneer of talk radio, died on 3/26/08 of Alzheimer's > disease. > Anybody know what market he was in? > > > WGN, Chicago, where he was the morning man for 20-some years. He moved to afternoons in the late 80s, then retired from WGN completely in 1998. He returned for a few years on suburban WAIT (850) before retiring for good in 2002. Interesting trivia: Wally was probably the last person still using transcription discs on the air. As late as 1985, WGN was spending more than $20,000 a year to maintain its disc cutters so that Wally could play his ads and sound bites off disc. That way he could easily lift the arm off the turntable, "respond" to the audio, and resume where he left off... s From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Mar 28 13:52:23 2008 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:52:23 -0400 Subject: WBZA site Message-ID: All -- Bob was asking for inside contacts at WBZ. I just forward this thread to the CE at WBZ, Mark Manuelian - an old friend of mine. -- George __________________________________ From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: "BRI" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:11:02 -0400 Subject: FW: RE: WBZA site a couple thoughts from my ex, in Brimfield .... > ... suggests contacting US Rep [Richard] Neal of Spfld. Perhaps he could do something > if contacted by enough people. contact site is http://www.house.gov/neal/write_neal.html to be linked to his jurisdiction, perhaps use use the Brimfield adrs (80 Palmer Rd, Brimfield 01010) [my ex is a friend of radio, former DX'er] He's Based in Springfield (& Milford, huh?) I sent him an Email, with overview & Rick Kelly's links. > Also, Springfield has always made a big thing about their firsts: The > Gee-Bee airplanes, the Indian motorcycles, the first car, etc. Perhaps the > Chamber of Commerce would be interested in getting involved. Phone: 413-787-1555, ask for Anda deWolf (very helpful & interested) she suggested Email to herself: a.dewolf@westermassedc.com and Rus Denver, president of (group of several cities?) Chamber of Commerce denver@myonlinechamber.com I called her, then sent Email to both, again with overview & Rick Kelly's links. she said she heard about it on Springfield TV! I'm about to try calling WBZ itself, buut have no contacts inside. yet. anyone else who doies have inside contacts, you can help! Bob Sutherland From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 28 13:22:25 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:22:25 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> > Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the station's > demise? >It used both of them, but never to transmit from. WBZA had a "T" antenna. Please excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose, then, were the towers used? To pick up the signal from Boston? I'd have thought that would have been done via phone lines. Where was WBZA's transmission tower? I confess I don't know what a "T" tower is. Is it still standing? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > < > said: > >> Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the station's >> demise? > > It used both of them, but never to transmit from. WBZA had a "T" > antenna. > > -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 28 14:28:25 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:28:25 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: >> Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the >> station's demise? > >> It used both of them, but never to transmit from. WBZA had a "T" >> antenna. > > Please excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose, then, were the towers > used? To pick up the signal from Boston? I'd have thought that would > have been done via phone lines. > > Where was WBZA's transmission tower? I confess I don't know what a "T" > tower is. Is it still standing? The two towers, which are still standing, supported a wire antenna, no longer present, that was strung between them. The antenna was made up of a vertical feed that ran to a horizontal wire dipole...hence, a "T." The towers themselves were just support structures for the antenna itself. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Mar 28 14:35:08 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:35:08 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net> Scott Fybush wrote: > The two towers, which are still standing, supported a wire antenna, no > longer present, that was strung between them. The antenna was made up > of a vertical feed that ran to a horizontal wire dipole...hence, a "T." > > The towers themselves were just support structures for the antenna > itself. I can almost envision using the towers to support a banner or banner-like sign betwixt them. With today's NIMBY zoning for signs, et al, the grandfathering possibilities are staggering. (Audience:) How far apart were they? (Cue Johnny Carson) They were SO far apart... Roger Kirk (weaving & ducking - Bill O'Neill style) From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 28 14:42:09 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:09 -0400 Subject: WBZA site Message-ID: <380-22008352818429265@ix.netcom.com> Thank you Dan, & George. I've left a phone msg for Mark Manuelian, now he'll know more when he does call back. or at least he'll be able to pass the info to whoever at WBZ might have power to help! > [Original Message] > From: George Allen > To: > Date: 3/28/2008 2:07:51 PM > Subject: RE: WBZA site > > All -- Bob was asking for inside contacts at WBZ. I just forward > this thread to the CE at WBZ, Mark Manuelian - an old friend of mine. > -- George From radiotest@cox.net Fri Mar 28 15:05:07 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:05:07 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080328145847.03883de8@cox.net> At 10:42 PM 3/27/2008, Doug Drown wrote: >Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the >station's demise? I'm belatedly catching up on this thread - I've had a T1 interconnect between two studio facilities down since late Monday. Doug, they always used both towers, but only as supports - the towers were not hot. They held a flattop transmitting antenna, which was standard for a '20s installation. It wasn't until the '30s that series-fed and shunt-fed verticals came into use. For an illustration of a flattop see the graphic at: http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/radtop.html What the graphic does not show is that at one point off-center the horizontal wires were connected together and attached to a vertical wire dropping down to the transmitter. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Mar 28 15:29:38 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:29:38 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com><00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <7.0.1.0.2.20080328145847.03883de8@cox.net> Message-ID: <002501c8910a$106df040$0200a8c0@Tanguray> A number of early Radio Station antennas can be seen in this collection of postcards outlining radio history: http://www.antiqueradio.com/May01_radiopostcards.html It must have been something when it was windy out! Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > At 10:42 PM 3/27/2008, Doug Drown wrote: > > >Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the > >station's demise? > > I'm belatedly catching up on this thread - I've had a T1 interconnect > between two studio facilities down since late Monday. > > Doug, they always used both towers, but only as supports - the towers > were not hot. They held a flattop transmitting antenna, which was > standard for a '20s installation. It wasn't until the '30s that > series-fed and shunt-fed verticals came into use. For an illustration > of a flattop see the graphic at: > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/radtop.html > > What the graphic does not show is that at one point off-center the > horizontal wires were connected together and attached to a vertical > wire dropping down to the transmitter. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 28 15:54:30 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:54:30 -0400 Subject: antiqueradio postcards (was - WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA) Message-ID: <380-220083528195430187@ix.netcom.com> Thank you, Roger, a site I hadn't known of! and Cape Cod, LI, etc sites that I've wanted to know about!! > [Original Message] > From: Roger Kolakowski > To: Boston Radio Interest ; Dale H. Cook > Date: 3/28/2008 3:34:44 PM > Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > > A number of early Radio Station antennas can be seen in this collection of > postcards outlining radio history: > > http://www.antiqueradio.com/May01_radiopostcards.html > > It must have been something when it was windy out! > > Roger > WA1KAT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale H. Cook" > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > > > > At 10:42 PM 3/27/2008, Doug Drown wrote: > > > > >Did WBZA use at least one of the twin towers right up until the > > >station's demise? > > > > I'm belatedly catching up on this thread - I've had a T1 interconnect > > between two studio facilities down since late Monday. > > > > Doug, they always used both towers, but only as supports - the towers > > were not hot. They held a flattop transmitting antenna, which was > > standard for a '20s installation. It wasn't until the '30s that > > series-fed and shunt-fed verticals came into use. For an illustration > > of a flattop see the graphic at: > > > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/radtop.html > > > > What the graphic does not show is that at one point off-center the > > horizontal wires were connected together and attached to a vertical > > wire dropping down to the transmitter. > > > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html > > > > From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Mar 28 17:18:48 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:18:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <014f01c890cb$7357e4c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <380-22008352835855656@ix.netcom.com>, <014f01c890cb$7357e4c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47ED1A68.7555.47C3B4@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Mar 2008 Doug Drown wrote: > One concern that I can envision being raised, IF the developers can be > convinced that the towers are worth saving, is the liability issue --- > how to keep people from climbing them. "Adventuresome" youth (I use > the term very loosely) will try anything. As a railroad fan I've > always been surprised as to how innovative and daring vandals can be. Shouldn't be that difficult. The towers are on the roof of the building. You have to save the building to save the towers, so you just configure the building to prevent access to the roof. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotest@cox.net Fri Mar 28 15:19:34 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:19:34 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080328150523.0388a108@cox.net> At 01:22 PM 3/28/2008, Doug Drown wrote: >Please excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose, then, were the >towers used? To pick up the signal from Boston? That site was originally WBZ. Like many early '20s stations it was located at an electrical manufacturer's facility, as were KDKA (at the Westinghouse plant in Pittsburgh) and WGY (at the General Electric plant in Schenectady). The towers held the transmitting antenna. WBZA was licensed to Boston in 1924 and synchronized broadcasting began. In 1931 Westinghouse built the 50 kw site in Millis, and the calls were swapped, with Boston getting WBZ and East Springfield getting WBZA. The Hull site was built in 1940, and the WBZA site was finally shut down in 1962. I have been told that the equipment in East Springfield was maintained in working condition for several years after that. Donna Halper probably has much more information about the WBZA facility. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Mar 28 15:33:54 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:33:54 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> <47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I've seen pictures of this sort of arrangement before (common in the early days of radio), but never realized that the towers were only support structures. Thanks for the info. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > > > Scott Fybush wrote: >> The two towers, which are still standing, supported a wire antenna, no >> longer present, that was strung between them. The antenna was made up of >> a vertical feed that ran to a horizontal wire dipole...hence, a "T." >> >> The towers themselves were just support structures for the antenna >> itself. > > I can almost envision using the towers to support a banner or banner-like > sign betwixt them. > With today's NIMBY zoning for signs, et al, the grandfathering > possibilities are staggering. > > (Audience:) How far apart were they? > (Cue Johnny Carson) They were SO far apart... > > Roger Kirk (weaving & ducking - Bill O'Neill style) > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 28 17:47:00 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com> <00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> <47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net> <030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18413.26452.366218.320312@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've seen pictures of this sort of arrangement before (common in the early > days of radio), but never realized that the towers were only support > structures. Thanks for the info. There are some examples (KGIL is one that comes to mind) that have actual driven towers and a (vertical) wire antenna. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Mar 28 18:26:53 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:26:53 -0400 Subject: WEEI radio network - Take 2 In-Reply-To: <3046240.319421206697580683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web05-z02> References: <3046240.319421206697580683.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web05-z02> Message-ID: <9AE8769CA9D94536A2654CAF91EF0F9D@DanBillingsPC> The morning show is solid. The PM show is weak, IMO. Sporting News Radio, which JJ uses for off hours, is bad and getting worse. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: Re: WEEI radio network - Take 2 > JJ's Portland operation is humming along nicely. Solid local morning and > pm drive shows, Jim Rome Mid-days. Red Sox and Celtics evenings. Not > sure if he would have an interest in that, although Dale Arnold middays > would add a nice Maine touch and flavor. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 28 18:34:43 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:34:43 -0400 Subject: Vertical medium-wave transmitting antennas--WAS Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com><00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown><18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com><47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net> <030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <002401c89123$efc0ec20$77eca644@SatU205S5044> Even though vertical radiators, whether base insulated and series fed or grounded base and either skirt- or shunt fed, are virtually the only types of medium-wave transmission antennas now used by US broadcasters, such antennas had not yet been invented when (AM) broadcasting started in the US around 1920. I'm not sure when the first vertical antenna went into service in the US, who invented it, or which station was the first in the US to use a vertical antenna. (I may have read somewhere that it was in St Augustine Fla, but I am hardly sure of that.) The first vertical transmitting antenna just about had to date back to the late '20s. The first directional AM antenna in the US went on the air at WFLA/WSUN Tampa/St Petersburg in 1931. Since DAs just about demand vertical radiators (and the WFLA/WSUN antenna used a pair of them), the vertical radiator had to have been invented by 1931. AFAIK, when the US's first boom in station construction took place in 1922, NO station used a vertical antenna. You will note that the antenna shown in the FCC logo is a horizontal "long wire." I think the FCC had been the FRC (Federal Radio Commission) until 1934. I don't know for sure that the new agency (the FCC) had a new logo designed to go with its new name (could simply have continued using the old FRC logo--if the FRC had a logo--and I don't know whether it did or didn't, although I have never seen an FRC logo). Anyhow, the logo suggests that long-wire antennas were still quite common in the mid 1930s. Mexico, Europe, and other parts of the world use types of AM transmitting antennas that the FCC does not allow. Some of these are really whacko ideas whose inventors claim remarkable properties for them that pretty much defy the laws of physics and electromagnetic theory. Others are valid and were used in the US in small numbers before the FCC outlawed them. One is the two-element DA that uses only one tower. Versions with more than two elements are possible--at least in theory. Although this particular unconventional antenna in-fact uses vertical radiators, only one radiator in the multi-element antenna is a tower; the other (or others) are vertical-wire elements suspended from the guy wires that support the single tower. Two relatively recent unconventional antennas that look a lot different from standard vertical radiators are really variations on the vertical-radiator theme. These are the Valcom fiberglass whip, a relatively short, self-supporting, fiberglass pole that requires no guys and contains a helically wound radiating element with lumped center- and top loads that increase its electrical length way beyond its physical length, and the Kintronics KinStar, which uses a very short vertical element and a massive capacitive top-load supported by (in effect) telephone poles. The real magic of the KinStar is the matching network, developed by Ron Rackley of duTreil, Lunden, and Rackley, which allows existing AM transmitters to drive what would otherwise be an impractically low base impedance. Smaller capacitive top loads are common enhancements to conventional vertical antennas. I think the idea of the top load is very old and probably dates back to early efforts to convert horizontal long wires into vertical antennas. The conversion was accomplished by turning the vertical feed wire that drove the horizontal antenna into the radiating element, whereas the former horizontal radiating element became a capacitance to ground that altered the current ditribution in the vertical element so that the current vs distance above ground very closely resembled the current vs distance in the lower portion of a much taller vertical antenna with no top load. Any corrections or contributions of historical notes would be most welcome! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA >> >> Scott Fybush wrote: >>> The two towers, which are still standing, supported a wire >>> antenna, no longer present, that was strung between them. The >>> antenna was made up of a vertical feed that ran to a horizontal >>> wire dipole...hence, a "T." >>> >>> The towers themselves were just support structures for the antenna >>> itself. From peterh5322@rattlebrain.com Fri Mar 28 19:12:29 2008 From: peterh5322@rattlebrain.com (Peter) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:12:29 -0700 Subject: Vertical medium-wave transmitting antennas--WAS Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <002401c89123$efc0ec20$77eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com><00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown><18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com><47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net> <030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <002401c89123$efc0ec20$77eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <6D72B971-5E4B-4B2E-88E5-AB07C603F1FB@rattlebrain.com> On Mar 28, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Since DAs just about demand vertical radiators (and the > WFLA/WSUN antenna used a pair of them), the vertical radiator had to > have been invented by 1931. Directional (transmitting) antennas (DAs) as we are herein using this "word of art" do demand component vertical radiators, but _directive_ (transmitting) antennas _do not_ demand such vertical radiators. I can think of at least three, if not four, Class As which became broken-down, or had Class As allocated to other countries, on account of their retaining "long wire" radiators far too long ... long after the performance, and, indeed, the preference for vertical radiators had been resoundingly proved. And, in one case, a Class B which was thereby made possible, was sited in an immediately abutting "state", and, for all practical purposes was wholly contained within the "state" in which the Class A (formerly a de-facto Class I-A) was, in fact, licensed. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 19:50:07 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:50:07 -0400 Subject: Small-town TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED842F.4040507@gmail.com> Bud Yacomb wrote: > I, of course, was > banned from watching Hercules since it would get my brothers and I revved up > for a battle royale centered on the Chesterfield, and, being the oldest, I > got to play Hercules and smack them around. We had already been banned from > watching Major Mudd and the Stooges over on WNAC for the same reason (I was > Moe) so then we were told to watch Bozo. If you find a bottle of Hopalong Cassidy hair tonic, let me know. The wet look may come back. I recently came across a box of some toys from my youth, replete with cap-guns, holsters, tomahawks, and, yes, feathers for adorning the head in the stylings of those who pre-dated that narley European influx. Bill O'Neill // From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 28 21:31:16 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:31:16 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><00aa01c8907a$43724030$6401a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803271935q56901bet2d5d1a9c6fadddb4@mail.gmail.com><00b301c8907d$561b4a80$6401a8c0@DougDrown><18412.23469.85055.771017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><02f001c890f8$4ac765d0$6401a8c0@DougDrown><47ED38C9.7090409@fybush.com> <47ED3A5C.2000701@ttlc.net><030b01c8910a$a944d4a0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18413.26452.366218.320312@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002001c89140$2c2f9730$77eca644@SatU205S5044> And the most recent example is the 1510 AM licensed to Piedmont CA (KPIG?). One element of the five-element nighttime rooftop DA (located atop a warehouse in Oakland; AFAIK, the only rooftop DA in the US) is a vertical wire dropped from a horizontal wire that joins the tops of two of the four real towers in the array. Since KPIG and KGIL were at one point both owned by Saul Levine, I have to assume that he got the idea for KPIG's drop-wire from KGIL's probably 70-year-old drop-wire. I think, however, when KGA powers down at night and KPIG increases its night power, the drop-wire will no longer be used. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > < said: > >> I've seen pictures of this sort of arrangement before (common in >> the early >> days of radio), but never realized that the towers were only >> support >> structures. Thanks for the info. > > There are some examples (KGIL is one that comes to mind) that have > actual driven towers and a (vertical) wire antenna. > > -GAWollman From sonnydaye1@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 15:40:30 2008 From: sonnydaye1@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:40:30 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts Message-ID: Hi Guys! On the WCVB-TV website I found this info: <<<>> I'm wondering just WHAT programming is offered, specifically in the Boston market. After Googling for hours, I can't find any listings for digital programming. Is the programming offered simply the SAME programming as the analog counterpart or is there UNIQUE programming on the digital channels (which I assume will be accessible once a digital converter is hooked up to the TV - even NOW, before the 2009 transition). I have seen mentions of channels like Channel 4, Channel 4.1, Channel 4.2and the like, but can't find any specific info for available channels in Boston (and EXACTLY what programs are broadcast on those "extra" channels). I'm sure many of you can answer this question for me. Don't know why the info isn't more easily found on the internet. THANKS for your help. Sonny From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 18:41:03 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:41:03 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0803291541q4f0c7babsa034c47dd3b1867c@mail.gmail.com> My father has a digital TV and Ch 2 and poss. Ch 44 have sub channels with other programming, on now. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Mar 29 18:58:57 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:58:57 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2913ED0B-840A-4687-9BB0-4AD89EE89947@mac.com> On Mar 29, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sonny Daye wrote: > I'm wondering just WHAT programming is offered, specifically in the > Boston > market. After Googling for hours, I can't find any listings for > digital > programming. Is the programming offered simply the SAME programming > as the > analog counterpart or is there UNIQUE programming on the digital > channels > (which I assume will be accessible once a digital converter is > hooked up to > the TV - even NOW, before the 2009 transition). > I have seen mentions of channels like Channel 4, Channel 4.1, Channel > 4.2and the like, but can't find any specific info for available > channels in Boston Most of the programs that require schedules are on 2 and 44. 2.2 is WGBH HD. 44.2 is WGBH World. 44.3 is WGBH Create. 44.4 is 'GBH Kids. These are all on the wgbh.org website. 4, 5, 38, and 56 have no unique digital programming. 7 has 24 hour weather information on 7.2. 62 has unique programming on 62.2, but who cares, it's another shopping channel. 68 has 3 digital stations: the kids network "qubo" on 68.2, IonLife on 68.3, and Worship on 68.4. You'll find their schedules on http://www.qubo.com/ tvschedule.asp, and http://www.ionlife.com/. http://www.worship.net has information about the Worship Network, and maybe you can find a schedule there. Mark From sonnydaye1@gmail.com Sun Mar 30 10:07:06 2008 From: sonnydaye1@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:07:06 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts In-Reply-To: <2913ED0B-840A-4687-9BB0-4AD89EE89947@mac.com> References: <2913ED0B-840A-4687-9BB0-4AD89EE89947@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark for the COMPLETE answer to my question. You're better than Google! :-) Hopefully, the stations will add MORE unique programming on their sub-channels soon. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > > On Mar 29, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sonny Daye wrote: > > > I'm wondering just WHAT programming is offered, specifically in the > > Boston > > market. After Googling for hours, I can't find any listings for > > digital > > programming. Is the programming offered simply the SAME programming > > as the > > analog counterpart or is there UNIQUE programming on the digital > > channels > > (which I assume will be accessible once a digital converter is > > hooked up to > > the TV - even NOW, before the 2009 transition). > > I have seen mentions of channels like Channel 4, Channel 4.1, Channel > > 4.2and the like, but can't find any specific info for available > > channels in Boston > > Most of the programs that require schedules are on 2 and 44. 2.2 is > WGBH HD. 44.2 is WGBH World. 44.3 is WGBH Create. 44.4 is 'GBH > Kids. These are all on the wgbh.org website. > > 4, 5, 38, and 56 have no unique digital programming. 7 has 24 hour > weather information on 7.2. 62 has unique programming on 62.2, but > who cares, it's another shopping channel. 68 has 3 digital stations: > the kids network "qubo" on 68.2, IonLife on 68.3, and Worship on > 68.4. You'll find their schedules on http://www.qubo.com/ > tvschedule.asp, and http://www.ionlife.com/. http://www.worship.net > has information about the Worship Network, and maybe you can find a > schedule there. > > Mark > From outofthebusiness@gmail.com Sun Mar 30 17:05:04 2008 From: outofthebusiness@gmail.com (Bud Yacomb) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:05:04 -0400 Subject: Harry Nelson Message-ID: I see Harry Nelson has turned up on at least one weekend each at WODS and WCBS-FM. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 31 00:21:08 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:21:08 -0400 Subject: WCAP's signal Message-ID: <47F02E74.17569.22A26AB@joe.attorneyross.com> A few years ago, I couldn't get WCAP in Brookline, day or night. Not even in my car. I suspect the new owners may have cleaned up the transmission a bit because now I can get the day signal in my car quite well. It fades a bit here and there, and it's sometimes subject to interference when driving along the trolly tracks, if there's a train there. But it's a very useable signal. I drove out to Sudbury today along Route 20 and found the daytime signal there pretty good, but occasionally spotty. The night signal in Sudbury is readable, but it's got some major skywave interference, I assume from WTRY. In Brookline, it's much better, though perhaps a bit weaker than the daytime signal. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 02:08:20 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:08:20 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence update Message-ID: <000301c892f5$9f58aa10$03f6764c@Chicken159> There has been some major progress with WLLH Lawrence. The building management has finally done the necessary work that restored the operation of the elevator and electrical system.. The new Harris DAX-1 transmitter has been installed....operating perfectly into the dummy load but there appears to be a serious problem with the rooftop antenna system. Roof access is no longer easy, the management finally heavily secured the roof to stop the illicit stairwell activities that at times worked their way into the penthouse elevator room or onto the roof. I suspect I may find the copper pipe transmission line missing, it crosses the roof to the insulated bracket where the shunt feed starts. The foldback is so violent starting when the power gets to 10 watts, it probably is looking at no load at all so my theory about the transmission line ripped off is likely to be a good bet. Can't even put minimal power to operate the bridge......will find out tomorrow when I see the rooftop. If the problem is not an obvious quick fix I will be soon be spending some quality time with Al Warmus or Derrick Gorman. But there is now light at the end of the tunnel. Note to David Allen Boucher, I'll email or call you very soon! Chris Hall From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 31 10:31:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:31:27 -0400 Subject: WCAP's signal References: <47F02E74.17569.22A26AB@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001201c8933b$e92e2c50$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> What used to be WTRY has been WOFX (Fox Sports) for quite a few years now. Maybe as many as five years. The V-Soft Web site lists WCAP's signal strength in Brookline's 02446 Zip code as 1.41 mV/m at night and 0.55 mV/m by day. I believe that Brookline's population is in the neighborhood of 29,000, right? IIRC, since the population exceeds 25,000, the FCC would claim that WCAP is not listenable in Brookline, because, to be listenable in a community whose population is 25,000 or more, an AM station must deliver 5.0 mV/m or more to the community. Nevertheless, the kind of reception you report is consistent with the signal strengths that V-Soft reports for WCAP in Brookline. Neither 1.41 mV/m nor 0.55 mV/m is a very strong signal. In addition, as is confirmed by your report, 1.41 mV/m is far below WCAP's NIF value, which surely exceeds 20 mV/m and might exceed 40. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:21 AM Subject: WCAP's signal >A few years ago, I couldn't get WCAP in Brookline, day or night. Not > even in my car. I suspect the new owners may have cleaned up the > transmission a bit because now I can get the day signal in my car > quite well. It fades a bit here and there, and it's sometimes > subject to interference when driving along the trolly tracks, if > there's a train there. But it's a very useable signal. > > I drove out to Sudbury today along Route 20 and found the daytime > signal there pretty good, but occasionally spotty. The night signal > in Sudbury is readable, but it's got some major skywave > interference, > I assume from WTRY. In Brookline, it's much better, though perhaps > a > bit weaker than the daytime signal. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 31 10:45:19 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:45:19 -0400 Subject: WCAP's signal References: <47F02E74.17569.22A26AB@joe.attorneyross.com> <001201c8933b$e92e2c50$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <022901c8933d$d7def360$6401a8c0@DougDrown> When I was young and lived in the Gardner-Fitchburg area, the signals of WCAP and WTRY overlapped. Which one was listenable at any given time depended on the weather and other variables. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: WCAP's signal > What used to be WTRY has been WOFX (Fox Sports) for quite a few years > now. Maybe as many as five years. > > The V-Soft Web site lists WCAP's signal strength in Brookline's 02446 > Zip code as 1.41 mV/m at night and 0.55 mV/m by day. I believe that > Brookline's population is in the neighborhood of 29,000, right? IIRC, > since the population exceeds 25,000, the FCC would claim that WCAP is > not listenable in Brookline, because, to be listenable in a community > whose population is 25,000 or more, an AM station must deliver 5.0 > mV/m or more to the community. Nevertheless, the kind of reception you > report is consistent with the signal strengths that V-Soft reports for > WCAP in Brookline. Neither 1.41 mV/m nor 0.55 mV/m is a very strong > signal. In addition, as is confirmed by your report, 1.41 mV/m is far > below WCAP's NIF value, which surely exceeds 20 mV/m and might exceed > 40. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:21 AM > Subject: WCAP's signal > > >>A few years ago, I couldn't get WCAP in Brookline, day or night. Not >> even in my car. I suspect the new owners may have cleaned up the >> transmission a bit because now I can get the day signal in my car >> quite well. It fades a bit here and there, and it's sometimes >> subject to interference when driving along the trolly tracks, if >> there's a train there. But it's a very useable signal. >> >> I drove out to Sudbury today along Route 20 and found the daytime >> signal there pretty good, but occasionally spotty. The night signal >> in Sudbury is readable, but it's got some major skywave >> interference, >> I assume from WTRY. In Brookline, it's much better, though perhaps >> a >> bit weaker than the daytime signal. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 09:46:36 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:36 -0400 Subject: WTTT night pattern? Message-ID: <4fc429770803310646v42f4b207meec6fc189c43849f@mail.gmail.com> I am still out in California but last night my son called me asking if the BC championship game was on radio as it was only being televised by ESPNU which Comcast does not even offer on the sports tier. I told him that the station they are on doesn't reach Chelmsford at night on 1150. He used his trusty Grundig and the signal boomed in as I could hear it clearly on the phone. They have to be running a day pattern at night. I am wondering if they are doing this to reach the Hispanic markets of Lowell and Lawrence. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 31 13:53:05 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:53:05 -0400 Subject: WTTT night pattern? References: <4fc429770803310646v42f4b207meec6fc189c43849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c89358$14882150$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> Within the last few months, there have been several reports here and elsewhere of WTTT operating on day pattern at night. I can neither confirm nor deny but I would not be surprised if the reports were true. OTOH, co-owned WROL, which for years had been reported operating with its day facilites at night, currently seems to be reducing power at night in accordance with the terms of its license. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: WTTT night pattern? >I am still out in California but last night my son called me asking >if > the BC championship game was on radio as it was only being televised > by ESPNU which Comcast does not even offer on the sports tier. > > I told him that the station they are on doesn't reach Chelmsford at > night on 1150. > > He used his trusty Grundig and the signal boomed in as I could hear > it > clearly on the phone. They have to be running a day pattern at > night. > I am wondering if they are doing this to reach the Hispanic markets > of > Lowell and Lawrence. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 14:03:05 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:03:05 -0400 Subject: WTTT night pattern? In-Reply-To: <000401c89358$14882150$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770803310646v42f4b207meec6fc189c43849f@mail.gmail.com> <000401c89358$14882150$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803311103v34f346ds502bb3acc848cef@mail.gmail.com> I know in the past the 1150 night signal vanishes in Billerica. For my son to get it in Chelmsford that clearly they have to be on day pattern. On 3/31/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Within the last few months, there have been several reports here and > elsewhere of WTTT operating on day pattern at night. I can neither > confirm nor deny but I would not be surprised if the reports were > true. OTOH, co-owned WROL, which for years had been reported operating > with its day facilites at night, currently seems to be reducing power > at night in accordance with the terms of its license. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:46 AM > Subject: WTTT night pattern? > > > >I am still out in California but last night my son called me asking > >if > > the BC championship game was on radio as it was only being televised > > by ESPNU which Comcast does not even offer on the sports tier. > > > > I told him that the station they are on doesn't reach Chelmsford at > > night on 1150. > > > > He used his trusty Grundig and the signal boomed in as I could hear > > it > > clearly on the phone. They have to be running a day pattern at > > night. > > I am wondering if they are doing this to reach the Hispanic markets > > of > > Lowell and Lawrence. > > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 14:45:31 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCVB Analog vs DT signal Message-ID: <490265.23895.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I noticed over the last few days that the WCVB analog signal is almost unwatchable over the air at my house in Derry and at my mom's house in Londonderry. It is about the equal to watching Channel 13 Portland at my house in Derry on a very modest outdoor antenna. However, WCVB-DT is now watchable from Londonderry with a signal strength indicated at 88. This is not best signal into that location, but better than the "no signal" at all over the past few weeks. Is it possible that WCVB has switched the analog and digital antenna locations on the tower, benefiting DT over analog?? John B N1QGS Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 15:59:15 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTTT night pattern? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311103v34f346ds502bb3acc848cef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <986691.79970.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > I know in the past the 1150 night signal vanishes in Billerica. For my > son to get it in Chelmsford that clearly they have to be on day > pattern. > I noticed from about a two weeks before they went to Spanish , and since then, they were/are the most listenable among other signals on 1150 past sunset in Derry NH. John B From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Mar 31 17:00:32 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:00:32 -0400 Subject: WCVB Analog vs DT signal In-Reply-To: <490265.23895.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <490265.23895.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18417.20720.554562.574162@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is it possible that WCVB has switched the analog and digital antenna > locations on the tower, benefiting DT over analog?? No. WCVB's analogue signal is diplexed with WBZ-TV. Both stations' DTVs are on the upper UHF master, which is already the highest thing on the CBS tower (save only the airway obstruction beacon). The setup on that tower is like this, if I remember correctly: UHF upper - 20, 30, 39, 43 UHF lower - 19, 44 VHF upper - 4, 5 VHF lower - 2 \/\/\/\/\/\/ 5 backup 4 has a backup on another tower at 350 Cedar, although I don't know if it's still in use or whether they share the 5 backup antenna. There was talk a few years ago of putting a master FM panel system in the 2/4/5 aperture once it is no longer needed for analogue TV. For what it's worth, I've noticed very poor reception from FMs to the north and northeast lately (from my location in Framingham along the Mass. Pike into Boston). -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 20:47:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:47:09 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV Message-ID: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> Today was ugly at WBBM-TV You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? Sun Times says this is a nationwide cutback http://www.suntimes.com/business/feder/869649,cbs033108.article From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 20:44:13 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:44:13 -0400 Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 Message-ID: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is returning to Channel 4. and the Globe says Gene Burns was the first host... no no no it was Gene Jones!!!! http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2008/03/31/community_auditions_can_make_you_a_star_again/ From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Mar 31 21:17:39 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:17:39 -0400 Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a301c89396$2d8a1260$0200a8c0@Office> Gene Burns got a good laugh out of it when I told him tonight - I've sent the author of the story a note about his error. Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:44 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is returning to Channel 4. and the Globe says Gene Burns was the first host... no no no it was Gene Jones!!!! http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2008/03/31/community_audition s_can_make_you_a_star_again/ From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Mar 31 21:35:05 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:35:05 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Today was ugly at WBBM-TV > >You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 21:46:00 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> 26???????? They have a smaller staff than WBBM-TV. They tech staff there is barebones now. What have they cut? On 3/31/08, Larry Weil wrote: > At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >Today was ugly at WBBM-TV > > > >You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? > > What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 > people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 31 21:48:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:48:15 -0400 Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <275151.9389.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> <275151.9389.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803311848v7a24e2fet793421faa1d5f1cb@mail.gmail.com> It is the same group that was on Channel 50 last year. Star of the day who could it be? On 3/31/08, Donald A. wrote: > > --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is > > returning to Channel 4. > > Didn't someone already try to bring this show/concept > back? > > I thought I head a local Boston version was running on > Channel 50 (NH) and a few other New England > stations... > > Is this or was this the same effort? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Mar 31 22:14:09 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:14:09 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 9:46 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >26???????? > >They have a smaller staff than WBBM-TV. They tech staff there is >barebones now. What have they cut? I have heard it's across all departments, I don't know any more details. I'm sure more news will filter through in time. > >On 3/31/08, Larry Weil wrote: >> At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >Today was ugly at WBBM-TV >> > >> >You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? >> >> What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 >> people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. >> >> -- >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From adamg@gaffin.com Mon Mar 31 22:22:34 2008 From: adamg@gaffin.com (Adam Gaffin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:22:34 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F19C6A.6090208@gaffin.com> WBZ-TV cuts 30 jobs http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2008/03/31/daily14.html?jst=b_ln_hl Larry Weil wrote: > At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Today was ugly at WBBM-TV >> >> You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? > > What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 > people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 31 22:23:35 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:23:35 -0400 Subject: W (slide whistle) BZ (was: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F19CA7.9010105@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > 26???????? > > They have a smaller staff than WBBM-TV. They tech staff there is > barebones now. What have they cut? > At WBZ-TV, they have decided to cut out every other word from the copy. That will reduce news to 15 minutes. Also, they can merge sports with weather and business with sports. Great for bookies and sports fans with umbrellas. They will be replacing their theme package with a kazoo and a slide-whistle. And wait, there's more -- they are moving their studios to the YMCA. The talent (a former janitor named Hal) will also control the camera joysticks right there from the set. The sales department will remain unaffected. Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 21:44:17 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <275151.9389.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is > returning to Channel 4. Didn't someone already try to bring this show/concept back? I thought I head a local Boston version was running on Channel 50 (NH) and a few other New England stations... Is this or was this the same effort? ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 31 21:56:27 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:56:27 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <039d01c8939b$99a572f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> How do CBS's other O&Os fare in the Arbitrons, as compared to Boston? I'm wondering what is causing the company's financial difficulties. As I recall, CBS Radio laid off dozens of employees of its O&O stations in February. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Re: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV > At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Today was ugly at WBBM-TV >> >>You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? > > What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 people > today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 31 22:57:02 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:57:02 -0400 Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 Message-ID: <03c301c893a4$0fe71060$6401a8c0@DougDrown> This gives me an opportunity to resurrect a question I asked in this forum about a year ago, and which was never answered: What was Gene Jones's background? Was he previously a radio personality, singer, or what? I remember him well. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary's Ice Cream" > To: "'Kevin Vahey'" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:17 PM > Subject: RE: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 > > >> Gene Burns got a good laugh out of it when I told him tonight - I've sent >> the author of the story a note about his error. >> >> Gary Francis >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Kevin Vahey >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:44 PM >> To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest >> Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 >> >> The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is returning to Channel >> 4. >> >> and the Globe says Gene Burns was the first host... no no no it was Gene >> Jones!!!! >> >> >> http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2008/03/31/community_audition >> s_can_make_you_a_star_again/ >> > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Mar 31 22:29:14 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:29:14 -0400 Subject: W (slide whistle) BZ (was: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV) References: <4fc429770803311747g132cd447w23ea7ec612db8969@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770803311846s12384ec0te9824ee4a97835a1@mail.gmail.com> <47F19CA7.9010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03aa01c893a0$2df9dfa0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I think the CBS Eye is gonna be lookin' pretty bloodshot. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: W (slide whistle) BZ (was: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV) > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> 26???????? >> >> They have a smaller staff than WBBM-TV. They tech staff there is >> barebones now. What have they cut? >> > > At WBZ-TV, they have decided to cut out every other word from the copy. > That will reduce news to 15 minutes. Also, they can merge sports with > weather and business with sports. Great for bookies and sports fans with > umbrellas. They will be replacing their theme package with a kazoo and a > slide-whistle. And wait, there's more -- they are moving their studios to > the YMCA. The talent (a former janitor named Hal) will also control the > camera joysticks right there from the set. The sales department will > remain unaffected. > > Bill O'Neill