From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jul 1 12:10:15 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:10:15 -0500 Subject: Crusin 93.7 oldies Addison VT debuts Message-ID: <20080701161015.D654349B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Country 93.7 (WUSX Addison VT...The Bridges of Addison County!, ha) is now oldies as Cruisin 93.7 "The greatest hits of all time live here" They said in announcement it's 60s based but they are now playing a 70s song by Jim Croce. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 2 09:10:01 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:10:01 -0400 Subject: WRCA now transmitting from Newton Message-ID: <614FE4494DC44C82AF39DE9A22C21AC4@SatU205S5044> In case anyone needs any further confirmation that WRCA is now transmitting from Newton, WRCA's legal IDs have changed from Waltham-Boston to Watertown-Boston. At 2:00AM today (Wed 7/2), I heard the Waltham ID followed after about 10 sec by the Watertown ID. Later in the morning, I heard only the Watertown ID. I did not tune in at 5:15AM to see if I could catch the pattern change, so I don't know whether WRCA is running its night pattern full time, which would probably be allowed at 5 kW, or is switching between patterns. (The night pattern has to be tuned during daytime hours; the day pattern, if run at night, probably must be run at less than 5 kW.) Whatever pattern/power WRCA was running, the signal where I live (Arlington, near the Lexington line), though nowhere near what it used to be from the much-closer Waltham site, was a lot better than I had expected. At 2:00AM, I could not discern WWRV (the most likely interferer) underneath WRCA but the WRCA signal was easily readable despite the obvious (and somewhat annoying) co-channel interference. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 3 16:07:50 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:07:50 -0400 Subject: WRCA, WUNR Message-ID: After studying WUNR's and WRCA's power-increase applications (both filed on 2002) and listening to both stations, albeit briefly, yesterday day and night, I believe that WUNR was most likely running 1.25 kW ND last night, as specified in its STA. WUNR might be running 5 kW DA during daylight hours using its new pattern. If I read the applications correctly (and I may not have done so) WUNR's NIF contour is 6.9 mV/m whereas WRCA's is 8.4 mV/m. (Seems to me I recall seeing a lower number--in the 5s--for WUNR in an earlier reading of its app several years ago, but I did not find that number this time.) Anyhow, according to the NIFs, 1600 is slightly quieter than 1330 at night in this area. However last night in Arlington Heights, WUNR was totally buried by what I believe was WWRL, whereas WRCA was merely bothered by what I assume to have been mostly WWRV. I can therefore believe that WRCA might have been running its night pattern with 5 kW last night. During the daytime, WRCA sounded noticeably stronger than it did last night, suggesting that it is running more than 5 kW by day--with one or the other of its two new patterns. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From markwats@comcast.net Fri Jul 4 09:03:22 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:03:22 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring Message-ID: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> I saw a brief article on the NH Union Leader website that WTSN (1270 Dover NH) morning host Paul LeBlanc is retiring Friday July 11th after 44 years with the station. The article says his tenure at WTSN is longer than any other radio personality currently on the air in New England. Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on the air at one station for a lenghty period of time? I'll start with a few: WROR's Loren Owens & Wally Brine have been on 105.7 (albeit under 3 sets of calls) for over 25 years. WMJX midday personality Nancy Quill and "Bedtime Magic" host David Allan Boucher have been there since day one in 1982, and WMJX overnight personality Michael Burns has been there about 20 years now. Mark Watson From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Jul 4 09:57:24 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:57:24 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <000c01c8dddd$e550ae40$0501a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring > I saw a brief article on the NH Union Leader website that WTSN (1270 > Dover NH) morning host Paul LeBlanc is retiring Friday July 11th after 44 > years with the station. The article says his tenure at WTSN is longer than > any other radio personality currently on the air in New England. > Paul LeBlanc was a godsend when I was a baby Operations Manager in 1984. He came up as a friend of my GM, Dick Lutsk, and spent a day with me showing me the ropes of public files and all kinds of good stuff designed to keep the FCC happy. Best wishes to Paul in his days-off yet to come! --Chuck Igo From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jul 4 12:03:36 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:03:36 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <89170FED-B080-4308-AB27-EAC49062A079@charter.net> Matt Siegal has been doing mornings on Kiss 108 for over 25 years now. A couple of other longtimers of note. Bob Muscatel, the morning guy at WLIS/Old Saybrook, CT has been there for almost 30 years. I was the PD there in the early 90's. Nice guy, and does a solid full- service morning show. The other is Wayne Norman, PD/Mornings at WILI-AM Willimantic, CT. He's been there for 38 years. Some of you may know him from his other role, doing color for UConn Huskies basketball on WTIC. He's been doing THAT gig for well over 20 years. He was my first radio "boss" first as an intern, and later when I did part time. Another great guy in the business. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 4, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on > the air at one station for a lenghty period of time? I'll start > with a few: WROR's Loren Owens & Wally Brine have been on 105.7 > (albeit under 3 sets of calls) for over 25 years. WMJX midday > personality Nancy Quill and "Bedtime Magic" host David Allan > Boucher have been there since day one in 1982, and WMJX overnight > personality Michael Burns has been there about 20 years now. > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jul 4 12:15:51 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:15:51 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <89170FED-B080-4308-AB27-EAC49062A079@charter.net> References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> <89170FED-B080-4308-AB27-EAC49062A079@charter.net> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807040915w79b5ff10r4602bc3178e511cf@mail.gmail.com> Ah, "Good Company 14/AM WILI". I know an Alumnus, Tom Lyons from the 70s. I miss listening to them. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:03 PM, David Tomm wrote: > Matt Siegal has been doing mornings on Kiss 108 for over 25 years now. > > A couple of other longtimers of note. Bob Muscatel, the morning guy at > WLIS/Old Saybrook, CT has been there for almost 30 years. I was the PD > there in the early 90's. Nice guy, and does a solid full-service morning > show. > > The other is Wayne Norman, PD/Mornings at WILI-AM Willimantic, CT. He's > been there for 38 years. Some of you may know him from his other role, > doing color for UConn Huskies basketball on WTIC. He's been doing THAT gig > for well over 20 years. He was my first radio "boss" first as an intern, > and later when I did part time. Another great guy in the business. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > > On Jul 4, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> >> Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on the air >> at one station for a lenghty period of time? I'll start with a few: WROR's >> Loren Owens & Wally Brine have been on 105.7 (albeit under 3 sets of calls) >> for over 25 years. WMJX midday personality Nancy Quill and "Bedtime Magic" >> host David Allan Boucher have been there since day one in 1982, and WMJX >> overnight personality Michael Burns has been there about 20 years now. >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 4 12:41:18 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:41:18 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: Well, I don't think it's in the 20s yet, but it must be well up in the teens that Bob Bittner has been doing anything and everything at WJIB, although the calls were WWEA shortly after he bought the station and maybe were still WLVG from the time he took control until he could get the calls changed. Dan Strassberg, Contributing Editor EDN Magazine | Reed Electronics Group | www.edn.com Fax 707-215-6367 | StrassbergEDN@att.net *** CONTACT ME BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO SEND ATTACHMENTS LARGER THAN 1 Mbyte *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring > I saw a brief article on the NH Union Leader website that WTSN > (1270 Dover NH) morning host Paul LeBlanc is retiring Friday July > 11th after 44 years with the station. The article says his tenure at > WTSN is longer than any other radio personality currently on the air > in New England. > > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on > the air at one station for a lenghty period of time? I'll start with > a few: WROR's Loren Owens & Wally Brine have been on 105.7 (albeit > under 3 sets of calls) for over 25 years. WMJX midday personality > Nancy Quill and "Bedtime Magic" host David Allan Boucher have been > there since day one in 1982, and WMJX overnight personality Michael > Burns has been there about 20 years now. > > Mark Watson From cloutier@piesky.com Fri Jul 4 10:26:35 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:26:35 -0400 Subject: Carl Moore - Anyone remember "Carl Moore Remembers" Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080704102026.033b0f58@10.0.0.1> Carl Moore, a performer from the Boston area and from the old WEEI released a record back in either the 50s or 60s called Carl Moore Remembers. It contained great Irish and other tunes that were really fun and very clever. We used to have a copy of the LP when I was a teenager, and unfortunately, we lent the record to someone and never got it back! I've been looking for a copy of this record for about 35 years to either purchase or to make a recording. Does anyone have this wonderful LP, or know when one (or a copy) can be obtained? I'm happy to pay for your time and trouble. Thanks so much and Regards, Steve Cloutier From markwats@comcast.net Fri Jul 4 13:03:46 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:03:46 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> <89170FED-B080-4308-AB27-EAC49062A079@charter.net> Message-ID: <00f201c8ddf7$ec78cee0$0302a8c0@Mark> David Tomm wrote: > Matt Siegal has been doing mornings on Kiss 108 for over 25 years now. Forgot about Matt. Also, I just remembered another name to add to the longtimer list: Bruce Arnold, who's been with WCCM on all there of the frequencies they've broadcast on during his tenure (800, then 1490, currently 1110) for over 40 years. He did mornings for many of those years, but now is hosting middays. IIRC Bruce also did some weekend talk fill in on WBZ back in the 80's. Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 4 13:14:21 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <18542.23149.593358.725415@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on the air > at one station for a lenghty period of time? Ernie Farrar has been doing mornings on WVMT for forty years or so. Sadly, the morning show is the only local content left on the station. -GAWollman From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Fri Jul 4 13:23:59 2008 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <349789.68531.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Mark Watson wrote: > From: Mark Watson ... > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have > been on the air > at one station for a lenghty period of time? Bob Coffee has been hosting "Coffee & Jazz" on Sunday mornings on WTSA in Brattleboro since 1979. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jul 4 13:51:01 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don Gillis & The Celtics Message-ID: <897555.85078.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> NBA TV is running the 1966 NBA Finals Game 6 between the Celtics and Lakers as part of their NBA Hardwood Classics series. The game announcers are Don Gillis and Tommy Heinsohn. It will be playing at various times over the next few weeks. Given that Don Gillis died recently it serves as an introduction of his great abilities to anyone who didn't get to see him in action over the years. It's also interesting to watch a game without court signage from sponsors, mascots, dancers/cheerleaders and graphics festooning the screen. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Fri Jul 4 14:10:51 2008 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Anthony Abruzzese) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:10:51 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <486E67AB.3030705@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Mark Watson wrote: > > > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on the > air at one station for a lenghty period of time? I'll start with a > few: WROR's Loren Owens & Wally Brine have been on 105.7 (albeit under > 3 sets of calls) for over 25 years. WMJX midday personality Nancy > Quill and "Bedtime Magic" host David Allan Boucher have been there > since day one in 1982, and WMJX overnight personality Michael Burns > has been there about 20 years now. > IIRC, Paula Street has been with 103.3 since before the WODS call letter change ca.1987. -- Tony Abruzzese Dept of Biochemistry Division of Graduate Medical Sciences BU School of Medicine From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jul 4 14:14:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:14:09 -0500 Subject: Don Gillis & The Celtic In-Reply-To: <897555.85078.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <897555.85078.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807041114p4ec9c39bsbca248e9438e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Amazing to think that back then the NBA Finals were only shown on local TV. What is also amazing is that a copy of the game even exists. Back then an hour of 2 inch videotape cost almost $300 an hour which is why so little footage from the 60's survived. NBC even erased 99 percent of the Carson shows from the New York days. What is frustrating is only 30 seconds of live coverage of the 1967 World Series survived and that was only because it was shown on Huntley-Brinkley. Only 45 seconds of the first Super Bowl exists which was shown on both CBS and NBC. A few gems exist from the old Channel 5 days as WSBK bought the archive from the old Herald-Traveler and later it was donated to the Sports Museum. On 7/4/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > NBA TV is running the 1966 NBA Finals Game 6 between the Celtics and Lakers > as part of their NBA Hardwood Classics series. The game announcers are Don > Gillis and Tommy Heinsohn. It will be playing at various times over the next > few weeks. Given that Don Gillis died recently it serves as an introduction > of his great abilities to anyone who didn't get to see him in action over > the years. It's also interesting to watch a game without court signage from > sponsors, mascots, dancers/cheerleaders and graphics festooning the screen. > > > > From dwcole@comcast.net Fri Jul 4 20:20:47 2008 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:20:47 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> <000c01c8dddd$e550ae40$0501a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <1360410EA50F4220B044B796A7BEB876@yourw92p4bhlzg> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Watson" > Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring > > >> I saw a brief article on the NH Union Leader website that WTSN (1270 >> Dover NH) morning host Paul LeBlanc is retiring Friday July 11th after 44 >> years with the station. The article says his tenure at WTSN is longer >> than any other radio personality currently on the air in New England. >> I listened to Paul when I was a kid, then worked with him for nearly two decades. The man is a dynamo! He is also one of the kindest humans to inhabit this planet. May he have a long, happy retirement!! Dan Cole WGAN (WTSN 1980-1998) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jul 4 21:34:46 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87287.5624.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Well, I don't think it's in the 20s yet, but it must be well up in > the > teens that Bob Bittner has been doing anything and everything at > WJIB, > although the calls were WWEA shortly after he bought the station and > maybe were still WLVG from the time he took control until he could > get > the calls changed. IIRC, Bob bought the station in 1991 and the calls changed to WJIB in 1992. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 5 00:04:23 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:04:23 -0400 Subject: Longtime WTSN Morning Host Paul LeBlanc Retiring In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <00a301c8ddd6$5730e0a0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <486EBA87.10275.8BAC97@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jul 2008 at 9:03, Mark Watson wrote: > Can anyone else think of any radio personalities who have been on > the air > at one station for a lenghty period of time? How long were Dave Maynard and Carl deSeusse at WBZ? How about Gus Saudners, Bill Hahn, and Louise Morgan at WNAC? Jess Cain at WHDH? Arnie GInsburg at WMEX? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 11:58:44 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:58:44 -0400 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams Message-ID: With the recent book on Jerry Williams, I thought there might be come interest in this article I came across... (Not sure what the purpose of the article is and why it was written and put on an obscure website...) Radio Interviews Gerry Williams: captain of consciousness http://www.grubstreet.ca/articles/radiointerviews-old/gerrywilliams2006.htm I think Jerry's mantra should've been the same as Rodney Dangerfield's...."I don't get any respect". From iraapple@comcast.net Wed Jul 9 12:58:57 2008 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:58:57 -0500 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> This is an old article and since I am mentioned in it I think its now appropriate to tell the real story-behind-the story as Larry Glick used to say. Jerry's fate was sealed before I got to WBZ. There were several reasons. First his ratings had been trending down in his time slot. Had they been tilting upward, it may have helped him....a little. More importantly, several months earlier he was in some kind of TV debate with Avi Nelson, I never saw or heard it, but it was according to the manager at that time, a terrible embarrassment. Avi apparently made Jerry and by extension, the station, look really bad. It was a negative impression and irritation that wouldn't go away. Add to that Jerry was looking for an increase in pay at the beginning of contract talks. He also brought a lawyer with him. That didn't help. And behind the scenes the Chairman of the Board was definitely not a Williams fan. In a private breakfast conversation with me before I got to Boston, he said, "What are you going to do about Jerry Williams?" There was no questions he didn't mean I should try to extend his contract. I am sorry Jerry is not around to comment. We had very few conversations while he was at BZ and never spoke after he left. But his nemesis was not the new PD, it was the GM and the man who ran the company from the very top. Those of you who have been Program Managers might appreciate the situation. Jerry went on to become a legendary Talk Host, at least in New England. Now you know some of the rest of the story. Ira Apple -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:59 AM To: BRI Subject: Article on Jerry Williams With the recent book on Jerry Williams, I thought there might be come interest in this article I came across... (Not sure what the purpose of the article is and why it was written and put on an obscure website...) Radio Interviews Gerry Williams: captain of consciousness http://www.grubstreet.ca/articles/radiointerviews-old/gerrywilliams2006.htm I think Jerry's mantra should've been the same as Rodney Dangerfield's...."I don't get any respect". From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 9 13:51:56 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:51:56 -0400 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> References: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> Message-ID: <20080709175208.61C1F23E8B1@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 12:58 PM 7/9/2008, iraapple wrote: >This is an old article and since I am mentioned in it I think its now >appropriate to tell the real story-behind-the story as Larry Glick used to >say. Ira is correct. Jerry (rest his soul) had a persona that was about "I don't get no respect!" but in reality, he got a lot of respect. He was a very talented guy, who knew how to keep a radio show moving and he made a major impact in every city where he worked. But he was not the intellectual he thought he was, and he had a huge ego-- I don't say that unkindly. Many stars are not as smart or as clever as they think they are, but they start to believe their own publicity. Jerry was excellent at doing radio, but on TV... not so much. This is true for a number of people historically, and not just Jerry. Many radio talkers have tried and failed to do TV-- they are two very different media. Some of you may have heard of the famous women's show host Mary Margaret McBride. She was so popular on the radio in the 30s and 40s that her anniversary broadcasts filled venues like Yankee Stadium. But in the late 40s/early 50s, she tried to bring her show to TV and it was a disaster. She went back to radio and finished her career there. Doing TV is much harder than it looks. For example, whether you like her politics or not, Rachel Maddow is making an amazingly quick transition from radio talk host to TV talk host, and every time she fills in for Keith Olbermann, she grows more comfortable and more confident. But she is one of the exceptions. I can give you a LONG list of radio talkers who tried and failed miserably at doing TV. Even Rush Limbaugh had a hard time getting ratings on TV but his radio ratings remain very strong. Bottom line-- Jerry used the Avi Nelson debacle as further proof that he got no respect. The real story was a lot more complicated than that. From mike@miscon.net Wed Jul 9 14:00:12 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:00:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: NBC's "Monitor" In-Reply-To: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> References: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.122.1215626412.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> I recently came into possession of a shipload of home-recorded classical reels. Among them were a few non-classical gems - one of them being 17 minutes of? an "off-air" WCOP recording from 1968. On it was Gene Rayburn hosting "Monitor 68." The reel (and a cd dub) is on the way to Dennis Hart for his website: http://www.monitorbeacon.net/ Just sharing. Mike From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 14:27:42 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams References: <004f01c8e1e5$13b33090$cb43e962@IraApple> <20080709175208.61C1F23E8B1@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: > -- Jerry used the Avi > Nelson debacle as further proof that he got no respect. I've heard about that 'debate'...but nothing more....would love to see a tape of it. From atolz@comcast.net Wed Jul 9 15:14:46 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (atolz@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:14:46 +0000 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams Message-ID: <070920081914.9548.48750E26000D49D10000254C22058844849604019B0E@comcast.net> Hello, everyone. While I don't have any tape of a debate between Jerry and Avi, either TV or radio, I do have an approx. 30 minute segment of Avi from WHDH radio explaining that Jerry was not willing to debate him. Avi was particularly unhappy that Jerry backed out of an appearance that they were to have made together. If any of you would like the audio, I can e-mail you an MP3, or if you'd rather a CD, please give me a mailing address. Alan Tolz -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don A" > > > -- Jerry used the Avi > > Nelson debacle as further proof that he got no respect. > > I've heard about that 'debate'...but nothing more....would love to see a > tape of it. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Jul 9 13:03:22 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:03:22 -0500 Subject: Article on Jerry Williams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770807091003t646ab767vfc5fc1604c7a1cb8@mail.gmail.com> The article refers to the infamous Vietman vet call that many believe was a setup enginered by Jerry. Still the best example of his power can be seen in his WRKO days. He went on a crusade to repeal the mandatory seat belt law in Massachusetts back in the 80's. The repeal passed by the voters but what was fascinating were the statewide voting totals. WRKOs signal could be heard in 2/3rds of the state and voters in towns that could hear Jerry voted for the repeal. In western Mass voters oblivious to Jerry voted to keep the law. When I was a kid my Mom listened to him every night on WMEX even with the poor signal. For 30 years he was the best this market has ever seen. It was impossible to be neutral about Williams. On 7/9/08, Don A wrote: > With the recent book on Jerry Williams, I thought there might be come > interest in this article I came across... > (Not sure what the purpose of the article is and why it was written and put > on an obscure website...) > > > Radio Interviews > Gerry Williams: captain of consciousness > > http://www.grubstreet.ca/articles/radiointerviews-old/gerrywilliams2006.htm > > I think Jerry's mantra should've been the same as Rodney Dangerfield's...."I > don't get any respect". > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 9 17:51:46 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: for the Rush fans on the list Message-ID: <20080709215158.3CF816D8D88@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> The rock group, not the talk show host! :-P http://www.patriotledger.com/entertainment/x2043505192/Quincy-woman-still-promoting-Rush-34-years-after-discovering-band From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jul 10 13:40:25 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:40:25 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM 1400 Lawrence Transmitter Down Again Message-ID: <20080710174025.D439B32675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> As of 1:00 pm Thursday, the Lawrence transmitter of WLLH-AM Lowell&Lawrence is once again off the air. Is the Cregg Building overheating? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jul 11 02:28:54 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:28:54 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence Message-ID: <000601c8e31f$64b4c900$2002a8c0@Chicken159> I have to admit the board ops in Charlestown are a bit negligent chacking the two WLLH air signals as often as they should and I am going to suggest that they have Gordon Mangum (the Charlestown studio engineer) install a silence sense alarm on all three air signals. By the time I was notified Wednesday afternoon and diagnosed the problem it was too late to get parts shipped from Harris for Thursday arrival. They will be in on Friday and if there are no other problems WLLH Lawrence should be back sometime later in the day. As it happens I live in Salem NH on the Pelham line which seems almost equidistant from both transmitters and it is hard to distinguish when one or the other is off the air From cloutier@piesky.com Fri Jul 11 08:12:11 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:12:11 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence In-Reply-To: <000601c8e31f$64b4c900$2002a8c0@Chicken159> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080711080802.0668fc80@10.0.0.1> At 02:28 AM 7/11/2008 -0400, you wrote: >boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org What was wrong with the transmitter that new parts had to be ordered? What are they using over there? Always curious what the problem is... heat related or maybe a casualty of all the recent lightening storms ?! Regards, Steve Cloutier From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 11 10:42:16 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:42:16 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080711080802.0668fc80@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <105115B1537C49458A18881239F52E40@SatU205S5044> If I were betting, my money would be on lightning. There sure has been a lot of it around here this year. It would be difficult to collect data, but it would be interesting to know what percentage of broadcast stations within 50 miles of Boston have experienced lightning damage that required time and/or money to repair since May 1 of this year. I'd be surprised if the number weren't higher than 10%. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cloutier" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: WLLH Lawrence > At 02:28 AM 7/11/2008 -0400, you wrote: >>boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > What was wrong with the transmitter that new parts had to be > ordered? What are they using over there? > > Always curious what the problem is... heat related or maybe a > casualty of all the recent lightening storms ?! > > Regards, > > Steve Cloutier > > From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Jul 12 03:04:19 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:04:19 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence Message-ID: <000601c8e3ed$819fffc0$2002a8c0@Chicken159> Back on as of about 6:00 PM Friday night, shorted power supply rectifier and blown fuse ($54.00 special rectifier type cartridge fuse) Both WLLH transmitters are new Harris DAX-1's, could have been lightning or bad spike from a crappy urban power grid, probably never know. Luckily both transmitters are under warranty. Have to go off for a short time over the weekend to install a new A/C unit which sits in a window right above the wall mounted open frame ATU. Too hot to try to work around. Chris Hall From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Jul 12 07:53:25 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:53:25 -0400 Subject: OT: RIP Tony Snow Message-ID: <7bded94e0807120453ob3330aercd699b9fec5bfcee@mail.gmail.com> Tony Snow passed away at the much too early age of 53. - Blaine From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jul 12 16:43:15 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:43:15 -0400 Subject: WTSN's Paul Leblanc Honored At Retirement Party Message-ID: <000701c8e45f$e90e6580$0302a8c0@Mark> An article in today's (7/12) Foster's Daily Democrat about WTSN's Paul Leblanc, who retired Friday after 44 years at the station. Family, friends, listeners, current and former WTSN employees gathered at a local function hall Friday evening for a party to honor Mr. Leblanc. http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080712/GJNEWS_01/936918210/-1/FOSNEWS May Paul Leblanc have many happy & healthy years of retirement. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jul 12 18:07:07 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:07:07 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston Message-ID: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone-from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with afternoon and midday shows, but they could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's website. The station has occasionally shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of 'EEI. Who knows how long they will continue as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night Baseball and the All Star Game. In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no time to run a mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly national, some local programming. And now they lose Felger. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jul 12 18:28:55 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:28:55 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> I heard at the ballpark that Bob Lobel and Upton Bell are pitching a brokered show around town. Lobie has enough friends that they could clear enough to make it worth the bother. The only way another sports station can thrive in Boston is to hire Ordway away from WEEI. It is no secret that Glenn went ballistic when he found out what Howie was making after he had been told he was the highest paid person in the entire Entercom chain. But Ordway would never go to a weak signal like 890 no matter how much cash was on the table. It would have to be either 92.9 or 104.1. On 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone-from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ > > ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with afternoon > and midday shows, but they > could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's website. The > station has occasionally > shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of 'EEI. Who > knows how long they will continue > as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night Baseball and > the All Star Game. > > In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no time to run a > mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox > Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly national, > some local > programming. And now they lose Felger. > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 20:02:16 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <31671.6503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Sat, 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > From: Bob Nelson > Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:07 PM > http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone-from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ > > ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, > with afternoon and midday shows, but they > could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join > WEEI's website. The station has occasionally > shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or > clout of 'EEI. Who knows how long they will continue > as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday > Night Baseball and the All Star Game. > > In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has > no time to run a mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's > overnights are done by Fox > Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do > mostly national, some local > programming. And now they lose Felger. WEEI's Web site also is hiring Rob Bradford of the Herald (who took Felger's spot on the Herald's sports staff) for a writing/editing role, according to Shots. An interesting move... From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jul 12 21:19:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:19:14 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <31671.6503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <31671.6503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807121819n6846d5fk4c00e4bc720fa25f@mail.gmail.com> I hope WEEI.com improves the interface of the site. Anyone know how many viewers Felger and Dickenson generate for CSN? Surprised they haven't done the route of other CSN's in having a show with a full tie in with a paper. In Chicago it is Tribune Live in Philly and NY Daily News Live. On 7/12/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Sat, 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> From: Bob Nelson >> Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston >> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> >> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:07 PM >> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone-from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ >> >> ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, >> with afternoon and midday shows, but they >> could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join >> WEEI's website. The station has occasionally >> shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or >> clout of 'EEI. Who knows how long they will continue >> as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday >> Night Baseball and the All Star Game. >> >> In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has >> no time to run a mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's >> overnights are done by Fox >> Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do >> mostly national, some local >> programming. And now they lose Felger. > > WEEI's Web site also is hiring Rob Bradford of the Herald (who took Felger's > spot on the Herald's sports staff) for a writing/editing role, according to > Shots. An interesting move... > > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Jul 12 21:30:43 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:30:43 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807121819n6846d5fk4c00e4bc720fa25f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <31671.6503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770807121819n6846d5fk4c00e4bc720fa25f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FBE92B8-3AB0-44C7-8347-0B818DE0DF03@charter.net> It looks as if WEEI is taking on the papers with their online initiative. If they can bring in enough writers who can work on-air and online, why partner with a paper? Newspapers are slashing writers from their staffs. WEEI could easily become the primary online source for sports news and opinion in Boston very quickly if they do it right. Why share the potential ad revenue with the paper if you don't have to? -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 12, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Surprised they haven't done the route of other CSN's in having a show > with a full tie in with a paper. In Chicago it is Tribune Live in > Philly and NY Daily News Live. > > On 7/12/08, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> >> WEEI's Web site also is hiring Rob Bradford of the Herald (who >> took Felger's >> spot on the Herald's sports staff) for a writing/editing role, >> according to >> Shots. An interesting move... >> From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Jul 12 21:23:15 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:23:15 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> 890 was toying around with local programming before Felger's show during the Celtics playoff run with a couple of guys who previously bought time from WWZN. My guess is that they bought the airtime from 890 as well. Felger's old slot may be an attractive option for Lobel & Bell, but at this point the station would probably rather sell them the time than hire them on. That station is a sinking ship, and Felger is jumping off while he has the chance. WEEI is due for some real competition, and considering the holding pattern both 104.1 and 92.9 have been in recently, either one could easily pull the trigger at anytime. Landing Ordway would be a major building block, and it's almost like WEEI is preparing to lose him when his deal runs out later this year. All of their front line talent, D&C, Dale Arnold, Michael Holley and Pete Sheppard have signed long term deals in the last several months. Everyone but Ordway. Considering the beating Entercom stock has taken recently along with the Sox rights fees and Howie's huge new deal, it might be hard for Julie & Jason to pony up the package to keep Glen in the fold. You have to wonder if Felger working for the "WEEI Website" is keeping him in reserve for an eventual Ordway departure...and away from a potential FM sports talk competitor. As Sean mentioned, Rob Bradford is also signed on for web work. It looks like WEEI is building up their web presence to become the local "sports leader" online as well. As big as WEEI is getting, eventually one of the underperforming FM's in the market will want at least a part of the action. With Ordway's contact in play this fall, I'd be shocked if one or both of them didn't make a serious run at him. If either Greater Media or CBS Radio can lure him away, it's game on. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I heard at the ballpark that Bob Lobel and Upton Bell are pitching a > brokered show around town. Lobie has enough friends that they could > clear enough to make it worth the bother. > > The only way another sports station can thrive in Boston is to hire > Ordway away from WEEI. It is no secret that Glenn went ballistic when > he found out what Howie was making after he had been told he was the > highest paid person in the entire Entercom chain. > > But Ordway would never go to a weak signal like 890 no matter how much > cash was on the table. It would have to be either 92.9 or 104.1. > > On 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone- >> from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ >> >> ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with >> afternoon >> and midday shows, but they >> could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's >> website. The >> station has occasionally >> shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of >> 'EEI. Who >> knows how long they will continue >> as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night >> Baseball and >> the All Star Game. >> >> In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no >> time to run a >> mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox >> Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly >> national, >> some local >> programming. And now they lose Felger. >> From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jul 12 13:49:56 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:49:56 -0500 Subject: WLLH Lawrence Message-ID: <20080712174956.7C1FEBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: chris2526 >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: WLLH Lawrence >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:04:19 -0400 >Back on as of about 6:00 PM Friday night, shorted power supply >rectifier and blown fuse ($54.00 special rectifier type cartridge >fuse) >Both WLLH transmitters are new Harris DAX-1's, could have been lightning or >bad spike from a crappy urban power grid, probably never know. >Luckily both transmitters are under warranty. >Have to go off for a short time over the weekend to install a new A/C unit >which sits in a window right above the wall mounted open frame ATU. >Too hot to try to work around. >Chris Hall Does the Lawrence transmitter put out a full one-thousand watts? I ask that because it is now swamping the two 1380's I get from Woonsocket, RI and Portsmouth, NH. (During the period of time the Lawrence stick was silent, I could toggle between the two 1380 signals by turning my portable GE radio (but not a SUPERradio) sideways to each station's antenna.) When the former transmitter was in use, it did not seem to be so overwhelming from 1380 to 1420 (in Wolfeboro,NH) although the latter cannot be received when WLLH is down due to WXKS-AM IBOC hash during the day. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jul 12 13:55:57 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:55:57 -0500 Subject: Mike Felger To Leave 890/1400 ESPN Message-ID: <20080712175557.1FD21BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Somebody has to read the Saturday papers, so it was that I noticed a small item in the Globe and the Herald to the effect that Mike Felger will be saying "sayonara, adios, hasta la vista" to the ESPN stations in Boston and Lowell and Lawrence. His future gig will consist of writing for weei.com, which undoubtedly will also include appearances on the radio network. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jul 12 23:59:40 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:59:40 -0400 Subject: OT: RIP Tony Snow In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0807120453ob3330aercd699b9fec5bfcee@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bded94e0807120453ob3330aercd699b9fec5bfcee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48797DAC.3010901@gabrielmass.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > Tony Snow passed away at the much too early age of 53. > > - Blaine What a great personality: Tony Snow was always friendly with guests and respectful to the audience. He ably served as host, spokesman, and commentator, and knew the distinctions among those roles. In this era of shouting heads and phony scoops, his was a positive voice on TV. His death will be a loss to many fans as well as to his family and colleagues. --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jul 13 00:12:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:12:34 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> I am pretty sure Ordway would love to be able to bring certain Globe staffers on board to mix things up. There is no question that the Big Show brings in more billing AND profit to Entercom than anything else in the company. This contract offer will have to be done direct with the Philly home office and keep Julie and Jason out of it. Having Howie's contract go public was a leverage disaster for the company. I still think WBCN is the player. The fact the station did not make a deal of being rock for 40 years this spring indicates CBS doesn't want to remind listeners of the stations history. CBS Radio just fired Mike North in Chicago who ws pulling 1.6 a year on WSCR so they have some cash to play with. This most likely will be Ordway's last contract and he may well become the highest paid performer in Boston history. Ordway needs another station to sniff and kick tires. Howie has 96.9 to thank. My money is on WBCN since they have the Patriots and the Bruins can easily be moved there. From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Jul 13 00:43:00 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't count out Greater Media. They've made serious plays for the Red Sox and Howie Carr over the past couple of years. They've shown they can do talk on FM, as WTKK even without Howie or the Sox has better 25-54 numbers, makes more money and has a better power ratio than WRKO despite losing to them in the meaningless 12+ beauty contest. Plus, GM is privately held and has grown conservatively, so they most likely have access to the capital needed to make this deal. Currently, WBOS is nothing but a jockless classic alternative station. Essentially, an empty canvas. Sports stations don't necessarily need play-by-play to survive, so that wouldn't hold GM back. I'm sure ESPN would pull the radio affiliation away from WAMG/ WLLH and put it on WBOS (or BCN for that matter) in a split second. That would add some special events programming to the new station along with fringe shift coverage. I will agree that putting this together would be easier on WBCN. They could keep O&A on mornings at least in the short term, the Pats & B's would fit right in, plus pull CBS Radio Sports (mostly NFL & college football) away from WEEI AND add ESPN as well. Still, either station could conceivably do this. I'm sure Ordway would love to have BOTH groups in on the bidding, and it may just happen. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am pretty sure Ordway would love to be able to bring certain Globe > staffers on board to mix things up. > > There is no question that the Big Show brings in more billing AND > profit to Entercom than anything else in the company. This contract > offer will have to be done direct with the Philly home office and keep > Julie and Jason out of it. Having Howie's contract go public was a > leverage disaster for the company. > > I still think WBCN is the player. The fact the station did not make a > deal of being rock for 40 years this spring indicates CBS doesn't want > to remind listeners of the stations history. > > CBS Radio just fired Mike North in Chicago who ws pulling 1.6 a year > on WSCR so they have some cash to play with. This most likely will be > Ordway's last contract and he may well become the highest paid > performer in Boston history. > > Ordway needs another station to sniff and kick tires. Howie has 96.9 > to thank. My money is on WBCN since they have the Patriots and the > Bruins can easily be moved there. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 13 00:48:15 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:48:15 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I still think WBCN is the player. The fact the station did not make a > deal of being rock for 40 years this spring indicates CBS doesn't want > to remind listeners of the stations history. Why would they? They run a format geared towards people who are under 40 and don't relate to the 1960s at all. The audience *simply* *doesn't* *care*. It's only us radio geeks who care. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jul 13 01:12:12 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:12:12 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770807122212g56492febtf2b14bd844c46a7e@mail.gmail.com> and us geeks are getting older..... Still CBS also operates a station that was modeled after WBCN in Chicago WXRT. Norm Weiner is still there and while the format now skews younger they continue to remind listeners of the heritage. Still WEEI will prosper as they own the Holy Grail which is the rights to the Red Sox which remain the biggest radio property in New England. On the TV side I would love to see CSN do well. They cover all the teams on their shows while NESN pretty much ignores the Celtics and Patriots. IF another station wants to go after WEEI a good way to start would to outbid WEEI for Patriots Monday. WEEI/WRKO is forced to have play by play of the Revolution as part of the Pats Monday contract but to have the Coach on for 30 minutes every week is worth the soccer fallout. Heck in Chicago the MSL soccer team has radio coverage...in Spanish and Polish but no English radio. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 13 06:55:40 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:55:40 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> Message-ID: <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> I suspect you are grossly underestimating the financial support that ESPN providies to Jessica Tang and Co. ESPN needs a Boston affiliate almost as much as they need WEPN in New York (and now Central NJ and eastern Long Island) and WPEN in Philadelphia. The issue is spot clearances--not ratings. As long as Disney and ESPN remain afloat, I think 890's presence as a sports signal here remains assured. If the station is able to garner measurable ratings from time to time, it's just gravy. Ms Tang and ESPN go back a long way; she managed a Pittsburgh sports station that, I believe, was an ABC O&O. Perhaps if 92.9 or 104.1 were doing sports talk, ESPN's allegience in Boston might flip, but I wouldn't count on it. Between Radio Disney and ESPN, the Mouse seems committed to AM. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > 890 was toying around with local programming before Felger's show > during the Celtics playoff run with a couple of guys who previously > bought time from WWZN. My guess is that they bought the airtime > from 890 as well. Felger's old slot may be an attractive option > for Lobel & Bell, but at this point the station would probably > rather sell them the time than hire them on. That station is a > sinking ship, and Felger is jumping off while he has the chance. > > WEEI is due for some real competition, and considering the holding > pattern both 104.1 and 92.9 have been in recently, either one could > easily pull the trigger at anytime. Landing Ordway would be a > major building block, and it's almost like WEEI is preparing to > lose him when his deal runs out later this year. All of their > front line talent, D&C, Dale Arnold, Michael Holley and Pete > Sheppard have signed long term deals in the last several months. > Everyone but Ordway. Considering the beating Entercom stock has > taken recently along with the Sox rights fees and Howie's huge new > deal, it might be hard for Julie & Jason to pony up the package to > keep Glen in the fold. > > You have to wonder if Felger working for the "WEEI Website" is > keeping him in reserve for an eventual Ordway departure...and away > from a potential FM sports talk competitor. As Sean mentioned, Rob > Bradford is also signed on for web work. It looks like WEEI is > building up their web presence to become the local "sports leader" > online as well. As big as WEEI is getting, eventually one of the > underperforming FM's in the market will want at least a part of the > action. With Ordway's contact in play this fall, I'd be shocked if > one or both of them didn't make a serious run at him. If either > Greater Media or CBS Radio can lure him away, it's game on. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I heard at the ballpark that Bob Lobel and Upton Bell are pitching >> a >> brokered show around town. Lobie has enough friends that they could >> clear enough to make it worth the bother. >> >> The only way another sports station can thrive in Boston is to hire >> Ordway away from WEEI. It is no secret that Glenn went ballistic >> when >> he found out what Howie was making after he had been told he was >> the >> highest paid person in the entire Entercom chain. >> >> But Ordway would never go to a weak signal like 890 no matter how >> much >> cash was on the table. It would have to be either 92.9 or 104.1. >> >> On 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >>> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone- >>> from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ >>> >>> ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with >>> afternoon >>> and midday shows, but they >>> could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's >>> website. The >>> station has occasionally >>> shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of >>> 'EEI. Who >>> knows how long they will continue >>> as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night >>> Baseball and >>> the All Star Game. >>> >>> In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no >>> time to run a >>> mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox >>> Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly >>> national, >>> some local >>> programming. And now they lose Felger. >>> > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Jul 13 10:21:06 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:21:06 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: But for the most part, 890 doesn't appear in the Arbs and when they do, it's barely above the minimum share. ESPN will stay there until a viable FM sports alternative comes around--and then they're gone. ESPN does own some FM affiliates...Dallas comes to mind off the top of my head. For the most part their O&O's are on AM, but there are quite a few non-owned affiliates on FM, and that number will increase in the future. The industry is moving toward posting, which means stations (and networks) are becoming more accountable to advertisers and agencies. Ad buyers want quantifiable results, and just clearing spots on a low- powered AM that gets no ratings isn't going to cut it in the next few years. Tang and the Worldwide Leader may go way back, but business is business. If ESPN can get their spots cleared on a full signal FM in a sports crazed major market like Boston, they'd jump at the opportunity. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I suspect you are grossly underestimating the financial support that > ESPN providies to Jessica Tang and Co. ESPN needs a Boston affiliate > almost as much as they need WEPN in New York (and now Central NJ and > eastern Long Island) and WPEN in Philadelphia. The issue is spot > clearances--not ratings. As long as Disney and ESPN remain afloat, I > think 890's presence as a sports signal here remains assured. If the > station is able to garner measurable ratings from time to time, it's > just gravy. > > Ms Tang and ESPN go back a long way; she managed a Pittsburgh sports > station that, I believe, was an ABC O&O. Perhaps if 92.9 or 104.1 were > doing sports talk, ESPN's allegience in Boston might flip, but I > wouldn't count on it. Between Radio Disney and ESPN, the Mouse seems > committed to AM. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" > > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > > >> 890 was toying around with local programming before Felger's show >> during the Celtics playoff run with a couple of guys who previously >> bought time from WWZN. My guess is that they bought the airtime >> from 890 as well. Felger's old slot may be an attractive option >> for Lobel & Bell, but at this point the station would probably >> rather sell them the time than hire them on. That station is a >> sinking ship, and Felger is jumping off while he has the chance. >> >> WEEI is due for some real competition, and considering the holding >> pattern both 104.1 and 92.9 have been in recently, either one could >> easily pull the trigger at anytime. Landing Ordway would be a >> major building block, and it's almost like WEEI is preparing to >> lose him when his deal runs out later this year. All of their >> front line talent, D&C, Dale Arnold, Michael Holley and Pete >> Sheppard have signed long term deals in the last several months. >> Everyone but Ordway. Considering the beating Entercom stock has >> taken recently along with the Sox rights fees and Howie's huge new >> deal, it might be hard for Julie & Jason to pony up the package to >> keep Glen in the fold. >> >> You have to wonder if Felger working for the "WEEI Website" is >> keeping him in reserve for an eventual Ordway departure...and away >> from a potential FM sports talk competitor. As Sean mentioned, Rob >> Bradford is also signed on for web work. It looks like WEEI is >> building up their web presence to become the local "sports leader" >> online as well. As big as WEEI is getting, eventually one of the >> underperforming FM's in the market will want at least a part of the >> action. With Ordway's contact in play this fall, I'd be shocked if >> one or both of them didn't make a serious run at him. If either >> Greater Media or CBS Radio can lure him away, it's game on. >> >> Dave Tomm >> "Mike Thomas" >> >> >> >> On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> I heard at the ballpark that Bob Lobel and Upton Bell are pitching >>> a >>> brokered show around town. Lobie has enough friends that they could >>> clear enough to make it worth the bother. >>> >>> The only way another sports station can thrive in Boston is to hire >>> Ordway away from WEEI. It is no secret that Glenn went ballistic >>> when >>> he found out what Howie was making after he had been told he was >>> the >>> highest paid person in the entire Entercom chain. >>> >>> But Ordway would never go to a weak signal like 890 no matter how >>> much >>> cash was on the table. It would have to be either 92.9 or 104.1. >>> >>> On 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >>>> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone- >>>> from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ >>>> >>>> ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with >>>> afternoon >>>> and midday shows, but they >>>> could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's >>>> website. The >>>> station has occasionally >>>> shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of >>>> 'EEI. Who >>>> knows how long they will continue >>>> as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night >>>> Baseball and >>>> the All Star Game. >>>> >>>> In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no >>>> time to run a >>>> mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox >>>> Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly >>>> national, >>>> some local >>>> programming. And now they lose Felger. >>>> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 13 11:20:43 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:20:43 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: However, I take exception to characterizing 890/1400 as low-powered. 890 runs 25 kW-D from super-efficient half-wave towers. The daytime signal is truly the equivalent of 50 kW! (Check out the pattern RMS, which exceeds 2000 mV/m @ 1 km; the minimum for a 50 kW ND Class B AM is 1992 mV/m.) Yes, the transmitter site in Ashland is kind of far from Boston but the very narrow pattern sends the equivalent of about 350 kW ND to the east. And yes, the 6 kW night signal provides only half the RMS of the daytime signal and the NIF value of 12.5 mV/m is not great, but the station does deliver a listenable nighttime signal to a large part of the market. (The night signal toward Boston is equivalent to more than 67 kW ND.) Many people seem intent on "talking down" the 890 signal, but the facts simply don't justify the bad-mouthing. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > But for the most part, 890 doesn't appear in the Arbs and when they > do, it's barely above the minimum share. ESPN will stay there until > a viable FM sports alternative comes around--and then they're gone. > ESPN does own some FM affiliates...Dallas comes to mind off the top > of my head. For the most part their O&O's are on AM, but there are > quite a few non-owned affiliates on FM, and that number will > increase in the future. > > The industry is moving toward posting, which means stations (and > networks) are becoming more accountable to advertisers and agencies. > Ad buyers want quantifiable results, and just clearing spots on a > low- powered AM that gets no ratings isn't going to cut it in the > next few years. Tang and the Worldwide Leader may go way back, but > business is business. If ESPN can get their spots cleared on a > full signal FM in a sports crazed major market like Boston, they'd > jump at the opportunity. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> I suspect you are grossly underestimating the financial support >> that >> ESPN providies to Jessica Tang and Co. ESPN needs a Boston >> affiliate >> almost as much as they need WEPN in New York (and now Central NJ >> and >> eastern Long Island) and WPEN in Philadelphia. The issue is spot >> clearances--not ratings. As long as Disney and ESPN remain afloat, >> I >> think 890's presence as a sports signal here remains assured. If >> the >> station is able to garner measurable ratings from time to time, >> it's >> just gravy. >> >> Ms Tang and ESPN go back a long way; she managed a Pittsburgh >> sports >> station that, I believe, was an ABC O&O. Perhaps if 92.9 or 104.1 >> were >> doing sports talk, ESPN's allegience in Boston might flip, but I >> wouldn't count on it. Between Radio Disney and ESPN, the Mouse >> seems >> committed to AM. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" >> >> To: "Kevin Vahey" >> Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston >> >> >>> 890 was toying around with local programming before Felger's show >>> during the Celtics playoff run with a couple of guys who >>> previously >>> bought time from WWZN. My guess is that they bought the airtime >>> from 890 as well. Felger's old slot may be an attractive option >>> for Lobel & Bell, but at this point the station would probably >>> rather sell them the time than hire them on. That station is a >>> sinking ship, and Felger is jumping off while he has the chance. >>> >>> WEEI is due for some real competition, and considering the holding >>> pattern both 104.1 and 92.9 have been in recently, either one >>> could >>> easily pull the trigger at anytime. Landing Ordway would be a >>> major building block, and it's almost like WEEI is preparing to >>> lose him when his deal runs out later this year. All of their >>> front line talent, D&C, Dale Arnold, Michael Holley and Pete >>> Sheppard have signed long term deals in the last several months. >>> Everyone but Ordway. Considering the beating Entercom stock has >>> taken recently along with the Sox rights fees and Howie's huge >>> new >>> deal, it might be hard for Julie & Jason to pony up the package >>> to >>> keep Glen in the fold. >>> >>> You have to wonder if Felger working for the "WEEI Website" is >>> keeping him in reserve for an eventual Ordway departure...and away >>> from a potential FM sports talk competitor. As Sean mentioned, >>> Rob >>> Bradford is also signed on for web work. It looks like WEEI is >>> building up their web presence to become the local "sports leader" >>> online as well. As big as WEEI is getting, eventually one of the >>> underperforming FM's in the market will want at least a part of >>> the >>> action. With Ordway's contact in play this fall, I'd be shocked >>> if >>> one or both of them didn't make a serious run at him. If either >>> Greater Media or CBS Radio can lure him away, it's game on. >>> >>> Dave Tomm >>> "Mike Thomas" >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> >>>> I heard at the ballpark that Bob Lobel and Upton Bell are >>>> pitching >>>> a >>>> brokered show around town. Lobie has enough friends that they >>>> could >>>> clear enough to make it worth the bother. >>>> >>>> The only way another sports station can thrive in Boston is to >>>> hire >>>> Ordway away from WEEI. It is no secret that Glenn went ballistic >>>> when >>>> he found out what Howie was making after he had been told he was >>>> the >>>> highest paid person in the entire Entercom chain. >>>> >>>> But Ordway would never go to a weak signal like 890 no matter how >>>> much >>>> cash was on the table. It would have to be either 92.9 or 104.1. >>>> >>>> On 7/12/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >>>>> http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/developing-felger-gone- >>>>> from-espn-890-and-herald-set-to-join-weeicom/ >>>>> >>>>> ESPN Boston maintains they will continue local programming, with >>>>> afternoon >>>>> and midday shows, but they >>>>> could not come to terms with Mike Felger who will join WEEI's >>>>> website. The >>>>> station has occasionally >>>>> shown up in the ratings but cannot match the ratings or clout of >>>>> 'EEI. Who >>>>> knows how long they will continue >>>>> as sports; well, at least they have things like Sunday Night >>>>> Baseball and >>>>> the All Star Game. >>>>> >>>>> In a town like this, a powerful sports talker like WEEI has no >>>>> time to run a >>>>> mostly-ESPN-fed format (WEEI's overnights are done by Fox >>>>> Sports instead) , so ESPN turns to a smaller signal to do mostly >>>>> national, >>>>> some local >>>>> programming. And now they lose Felger. >>>>> >>> >> > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 13 11:56:40 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:56:40 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <487A25B8.1060902@fybush.com> David Tomm wrote: > The industry is moving toward posting, which means stations (and > networks) are becoming more accountable to advertisers and agencies. Ad > buyers want quantifiable results, and just clearing spots on a > low-powered AM that gets no ratings isn't going to cut it in the next > few years. Tang and the Worldwide Leader may go way back, but business > is business. If ESPN can get their spots cleared on a full signal FM in > a sports crazed major market like Boston, they'd jump at the opportunity. Particularly as ESPN begins exploring the potential of HD multicasting. They've already taken some trial stabs at it with broadcasts of the UEFA soccer matches a few weekends ago, and the word from those I know in Bristol is that that's just a beginning. So, yes, an FM in Boston would be huge for them. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jul 13 14:06:31 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:06:31 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <487A25B8.1060902@fybush.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044> <487A25B8.1060902@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807131106t3853ffafo1d9675fa5a159153@mail.gmail.com> The 890 day signal in Cambridge is listenable but not as strong as you would suggest Dan. The nightime signal IS unlistenable as I have tried on many occassions and WLS just is too strong. I would think another option for Disney is replacing Mickey radio on 1260 with sports and finding another AM outlet for Radio Disney.(1510 or 890) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 14:47:30 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807131106t3853ffafo1d9675fa5a159153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98523.61266.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The 890 day signal in Cambridge is listenable but not as strong as > you > would suggest Dan. > The nightime signal IS unlistenable as I have tried on many > occassions > and WLS just is too strong. But how many people listen to 890 on a home radio? I'm presuming you listen on a home radio, Kevin, because I never have an issue hearing 890 in the car -- south of Boston, west of Boston (of course), north of Boston, in Boston proper. I'd guess most of the people (me and maybe 12 others?) listening to 890/1400 either are in their cars or listening online. As someone else mentioned, Felger is a perfect hire for WEEI's Web site rollout: versatility in a number of mediums, and not just a reporter who's OK on the radio -- he's a pretty good interviewer, IMO. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 13 16:10:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:10:27 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com><7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net><32462795BBBC4A0587E88FE869D497F5@SatU205S5044><487A25B8.1060902@fybush.com> <4fc429770807131106t3853ffafo1d9675fa5a159153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, the night signal improved somewhat when they increased from 3400W to 6 kW. I no longer recall just when the power increase went on the air, but I think it was within the last year. Besides the higher power, the new signal involved a pattern modification that increased the width of the main lobe and introduced a pair of minor lobes to the north and south of the transmitter site along Route 126. The night pattern is noticeably fatter than the day pattern, which protects 900 in Nashua and WCBS. At the 50% equivalent-power points (that is, at 0.707*Emax), the daytime pattern is 62 degrees wide whereas the night pattern is 78 degrees wide. I live about 45 degrees off the pattern axis (which runs due east-west) and about 16 miles from the transmitter. The night power increase noticeably improved the signal here. Even though I live well outside the (12.5 mV/m) NIF contour (according to V-soft, the night signal here is not quite 5 mV/m), I rarely detect WLS underneath WAMG, and when WLS is audible, I haven't found it loud enough to be bothersome. In my experience, most stations are listenable to 0.5*NIF or less. Although WCBS is often just as loud as WAMG at night, I have not detected WCBS's upper IBOC sideband under WAMG. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > The 890 day signal in Cambridge is listenable but not as strong as > you > would suggest Dan. > The nightime signal IS unlistenable as I have tried on many > occassions > and WLS just is too strong. > > I would think another option for Disney is replacing Mickey radio on > 1260 with sports and finding another AM outlet for Radio > Disney.(1510 > or 890) From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Jul 13 20:30:13 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:30:13 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston Message-ID: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> Just outside the northwestern arc of 128 from Route 2 to I-93, the ESPN metro-Boston combo offers unimpressive coverage. At 3 miles north of the Burlington Mall (and the 'RKO towers), I would hardly characterize my home location as on the deep fringes of the Boston radio market. I can drive down 3A, Winn Street, 128, and 93 and be in downtown Boston in 25 minutes, at least when traffic is light. 890 does not have what I would call an effective signal. New York on 880 is about as strong as 890 here at night. Maybe stronger. 1400, from 11 miles north of here, has quite a garble of other stuff under it. This does not fully clear up until I drive north of Billerica Center (about 4 miles up 3A) and get close to the Concord River crossing. Bedford, Concord, Carlisle, Billerica, Burlington, and Wilmington is a pretty good chunk of metro-area population - a good deal of it affluent. On AM, 590, 680, 850, and 1030 deliver decidedly better signals. Any FM, whether Pru-based or 128-towerplex-based, would be far superior. Mark Connelly - Billerica (Pinehurst), MA << However, I take exception to characterizing 890/1400 as low-powered. 890 runs 25 kW-D from super-efficient half-wave towers. The daytime signal is truly the equivalent of 50 kW! (Check out the pattern RMS, which exceeds 2000 mV/m @ 1 km; the minimum for a 50 kW ND Class B AM is 1992 mV/m.) Yes, the transmitter site in Ashland is kind of far from Boston but the very narrow pattern sends the equivalent of about 350 kW ND to the east. And yes, the 6 kW night signal provides only half the RMS of the daytime signal and the NIF value of 12.5 mV/m is not great, but the station does deliver a listenable nighttime signal to a large part of the market. (The night signal toward Boston is equivalent to more than 67 kW ND.) Many people seem intent on "talking down" the 890 signal, but the facts simply don't justify the bad-mouthing. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 13 22:23:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:23:31 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> Every Boston-area AM, INCLUDING WBZ, has signal limitations SOMEWHERE in the market! ('BZs are on the far South Shore and Cape Cod.) 890's limitations are in the areas Mark mentioned, and as a relatively new signal (went on the air less than 20 years ago, I believe), 890 has deficiencies that are more pronounced than those of the 60- and 70+ year-old signals. Nevertheless, when you consider Boston-area AM signals that are inferior to 1030, 590, 680, and 850, I would put 1510 next, 1200 (when it's finally running at full power from Newton) after that, and 1150, 890 and 1060 (a tie; 1060 has better daytime coverage; 890 is better at night) next in the order in which I listed them. The next tier includes 1260, 1330 from Newton, and 1600 when they finally fix whatever it is that's currently keeping it at low power. Of the stations that are really daytimers, 950 has by far the best signal. 1430, even though it is technically a Class B, has to be ranked with the daytimers due to its unfavorable night pattern and very high NIF. Oh, and speaking of WBZ, I wonder whether it might be a victim of copper theft from its ground system within the past month or so. All of a sudden I am getting a lot of groundwave/skywave phasing in Arlington--something I never heard before in Arlington; I did hear it while driving in Sudbury at night many years ago. Given the proximity of the transmitter site to salt water, the effects might be less noticeable at WBZ than at most other stations, but I have to wonder if something might have happened that nobody at the station is aware of. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > Just outside the northwestern arc of 128 from Route 2 to I-93, the > ESPN metro-Boston combo offers unimpressive coverage. > > At 3 miles north of the Burlington Mall (and the 'RKO towers), I > would hardly characterize my home location as on the deep fringes of > the Boston radio market. > > I can drive down 3A, Winn Street, 128, and 93 and be in downtown > Boston in 25 minutes, at least when traffic is light. > > 890 does not have what I would call an effective signal. New York > on 880 is about as strong as 890 here at night. Maybe stronger. > > 1400, from 11 miles north of here, has quite a garble of other stuff > under it. This does not fully clear up until I drive north of > Billerica Center (about 4 miles up 3A) and get close to the Concord > River crossing. > > Bedford, Concord, Carlisle, Billerica, Burlington, and Wilmington is > a pretty good chunk of metro-area population - a good deal of it > affluent. > > On AM, 590, 680, 850, and 1030 deliver decidedly better signals. > > Any FM, whether Pru-based or 128-towerplex-based, would be far > superior. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica (Pinehurst), MA > > << > However, I take exception to characterizing 890/1400 as low-powered. > 890 runs 25 kW-D from super-efficient half-wave towers. The daytime > signal is truly the equivalent of 50 kW! (Check out the pattern RMS, > which exceeds 2000 mV/m @ 1 km; the minimum for a 50 kW ND Class B > AM > is 1992 mV/m.) Yes, the transmitter site in Ashland is kind of far > from Boston but the very narrow pattern sends the equivalent of > about > 350 kW ND to the east. And yes, the 6 kW night signal provides only > half the RMS of the daytime signal and the NIF value of 12.5 mV/m is > not great, but the station does deliver a listenable nighttime > signal > to a large part of the market. (The night signal toward Boston is > equivalent to more than 67 kW ND.) Many people seem intent on > "talking > down" the 890 signal, but the facts simply don't justify the > bad-mouthing. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 13 23:40:13 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:40:13 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com>, <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <487A925D.21274.50F46D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Jul 2008 at 0:48, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > I still think WBCN is the player. The fact the station did not make > > a deal of being rock for 40 years this spring indicates CBS doesn't > > want to remind listeners of the stations history. > > Why would they? They run a format geared towards people who are under > 40 and don't relate to the 1960s at all. The audience *simply* > *doesn't* *care*. It's only us radio geeks who care. They also are totally oblivious to their history as a classical station, even though that's the origin of their callsign. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 13 23:46:30 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:46:30 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > signal (went on the air less than 20 years ago, I believe), 890 has > deficiencies that are more pronounced than those of the 60- and 70+ > year-old signals. But 830's signal is far, far better over more of the market than 890's, except in the immediate vicinity of Needham on radios with poor second-adjacent rejection. 830's licensed NIF is 10.289 mV/m, but with CFJR gone it should be about 6, and in practice I don't think the ten microvolts WCCO puts over this area have any meaningful impact on the WCRN signal, so their actual NIF is probably closer to 3. WCRN's 5 covers Framingham; the 2.5 should land somewhere in Newton, and is quite listenable on the Turnpike at night. If Carberry wanted to sell (and there's no evidence that he does), Entercom would be crazy not to snap it up, as it is almost perfectly complementary to both of their current AMs. (They'd presumably want to dump 1440 in exchange.) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 13 23:59:40 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:59:40 -0400 Subject: WCRN In-Reply-To: <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18554.53036.960831.684913@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < WCRN's 5 covers Framingham; the 2.5 should land somewhere in Newton, > and is quite listenable on the Turnpike at night. That was based on the tabulations in WCRN's 50-kW DA-N application, now operational. V-Soft, however, claims that WCRN puts 7.17 mV/m over 01702, which is better than *any* Boston-licensed station, WBZ included. Even down in Foxborough, 830 puts a respectable 3 mV/m. It does really drop off precipitously up towards the Merrimack Valley -- downtown Lowell only gets 1.75 mV according to Mr. Vernier, which I suspect is not particularly listenable. (But of course, paired with 850 or 680 that wouldn't matter.) (The difference is that V-Soft uses the standard FCC M3 tables, whereas WCRN's application used measured ground conductivity. If the M3 tables put 7.17 mV/m in my neighboorhood, then Carter had some incentive not to use those numbers, as that would put the 5 awfully close to WEEI's protected contour.) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jul 14 00:17:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:17:21 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> WCRN 830 solved the biggest hole the Red Sox radio network had at night for years which were the communities along the 495 belt. I have a friend who is retired and lives in a senior citizen complex near Harvard Sq. He is a sports junkie and does listen to ESPN radio. I tried everything I knew to get him reception of 890 at night and finally had him get XM. By comparison 830 comes in fine. WAMG's problems at night is similar to the Polish station in Chicago on 1030 as the clear channels in both cases just overpowers the newly created night signal in both markets. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 14 00:33:31 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:33:31 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487AD71B.9090600@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > WAMG's problems at night is similar to the > Polish station in Chicago on 1030 as the clear channels in both cases > just overpowers the newly created night signal in both markets. The 1030 in Chicago (WNVR Vernon Hills) is way worse - it's a class D, not a class B, and with just 125 watts into stubby little towers (http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2004-10/msn-oct-10/100-02448-med.html), it may as well not be on the air at night at all. Oh, and it's considerably more distant from the Loop (~30 miles) than WAMG is from downtown Boston. A closer equivalent might be KLAA 830 Orange, CA, which tries valiantly to serve LA with a very directional 20 kW night signal, but is unlistenable pretty much anywhere north of downtown LA after dark. The formats even compare - KLAA is owned by Arte Moreno, who also owns the Angels, and is the Anaheim team's flagship station, no less. ("LA Angels"? Never!) s From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 14 01:28:04 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:28:04 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807122212g56492febtf2b14bd844c46a7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807122212g56492febtf2b14bd844c46a7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18554.58340.151402.984102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Still CBS also operates a station that was modeled after WBCN in > Chicago WXRT. Norm Weiner is still there and while the format now > skews younger they continue to remind listeners of the heritage. I don't think WXRT and WBCN are particularly comparable. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 14 07:58:03 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:03 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com><6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044> Garrett: Since you live in Framingham, you are probably never reminded of WCRN's major problem inside of Route 128--SERIOUS phasing between skywave and groundwave. This affects the signal at night as well as during the day (during critical daytime hours, anyhow). The effect is so serious that it often renders the signal unlistenable. Mr Carberry might indeed be able to sell time on WCRN to Boston advertisers, but if the reps carried radios with them to demonstrate the signal to prospective clients, the reps would have to be very careful to avoid calling on clients after sunset in the winter or in the two hours after sunrise and before sunset year 'round. WCRN's towers are quarter wave and I frankly had not expected the phasing problem to be as severe as it is. I think there might be some value to top-loading the towers to reduce the high-angle radiation, even though doing so could necessitate a slight power reduction to compensate for the increased radiation efficiency. WCRN is tucked in very close to WEEI and keeping the contours exactly where they are now after increasing the electrical height of the towers to 120 degrees would require reducing the power to 43 kW. The cost would probably not be prohibitive and the number of listeners who would receive a listenable signal might increase significantly. But 43 kW instead of 50 kW on the letterhead could be a turnoff to advertisers who don't understand the finer points of AM allocations. Oh, and there is a unique problem that affects WCRN in areas northwest of Boston where both WRKO and WWZN have very strong signals. 1510-680 = 830. And since WWZN operates intentionally slightly off frequency (but not so much that it is out of spec) to avoid interference to TV sets in Watertown and Belmont, the 830.01 (or is it 829.99) -kHz beat note (generated by the beginnings of saturation in the receiver) causes 830 to have a "gravelly" sound. Not fatal, but annoying. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > < said: > >> signal (went on the air less than 20 years ago, I believe), 890 has >> deficiencies that are more pronounced than those of the 60- and 70+ >> year-old signals. > > But 830's signal is far, far better over more of the market than > 890's, except in the immediate vicinity of Needham on radios with > poor > second-adjacent rejection. 830's licensed NIF is 10.289 mV/m, but > with CFJR gone it should be about 6, and in practice I don't think > the > ten microvolts WCCO puts over this area have any meaningful impact > on > the WCRN signal, so their actual NIF is probably closer to 3. > WCRN's > 5 covers Framingham; the 2.5 should land somewhere in Newton, and is > quite listenable on the Turnpike at night. If Carberry wanted to > sell > (and there's no evidence that he does), Entercom would be crazy not > to > snap it up, as it is almost perfectly complementary to both of their > current AMs. (They'd presumably want to dump 1440 in exchange.) > > -GAWollman > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 14 08:06:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:06:59 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> <487AD71B.9090600@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1CAEDC578EEB44ABB96894E3CEE530A8@SatU205S5044> WNVR is also directional at night (as well as during the day). The (two tower) night pattern is very similar to WEZE's but the radiation minima lie to the east (which is to say, the pattern is aimed to the west--away from Chicago) to protect WBZ. If I'm not mistaken, WNVR's night signal in the direction of the Loop is equivalent to just under 1W! (Too bad the keyboard does not produce upside-down exclamation points;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Garrett Wollman" ; ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> WAMG's problems at night is similar to the >> Polish station in Chicago on 1030 as the clear channels in both >> cases >> just overpowers the newly created night signal in both markets. > > The 1030 in Chicago (WNVR Vernon Hills) is way worse - it's a class > D, not a class B, and with just 125 watts into stubby little towers > (http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2004-10/msn-oct-10/100-02448-med.html), > it may as well not be on the air at night at all. > > Oh, and it's considerably more distant from the Loop (~30 miles) > than WAMG is from downtown Boston. > > A closer equivalent might be KLAA 830 Orange, CA, which tries > valiantly to serve LA with a very directional 20 kW night signal, > but is unlistenable pretty much anywhere north of downtown LA after > dark. The formats even compare - KLAA is owned by Arte Moreno, who > also owns the Angels, and is the Anaheim team's flagship station, no > less. ("LA Angels"? Never!) > > s > From sid@wrko.com Mon Jul 14 08:17:10 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:17:10 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <1CAEDC578EEB44ABB96894E3CEE530A8@SatU205S5044> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> <487AD71B.9090600@fybush.com> <1CAEDC578EEB44ABB96894E3CEE530A8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987F33C36@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>(Too bad the keyboard does not produce upside-down exclamation points;>)<< Alt+0161 in Windows does the trick. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 14 08:55:47 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:55:47 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: Last night and early this morning I picked up some AM stations I've never heard in Arlington. They aren't especially far away but I can't normally pick them up here and the fades prove that I was getting skywave reception--not groundwave. At the top of the fades, the signals were loud and clear: WNNZ 640, WELI 960, and WHLI 1100. No, I did not catch legal IDs, but I did hear a mention of New Haven on 960 and the others make sense from a content standpoint (BBC news last night after 11:00PM on 640 and a Nat Cole record this morning shortly after 5:30 on 1100). This is high-angle skywave, which suggests--I believe--that the reflective layer of the ionosphere is unusually low overhead. I can offer no explanation for that phemomenon. Maybe someone else can. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 14 09:49:51 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:49:51 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18555.22911.631536.3949@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett: Since you live in Framingham, you are probably never reminded > of WCRN's major problem inside of Route 128--SERIOUS phasing between > skywave and groundwave. That's true. But when I hear people talking up signals like 1260, I feel the need to remind people that more than half of the market is located west of 128. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 14 09:58:16 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:58:16 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <18555.22911.631536.3949@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044> <18555.22911.631536.3949@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <487B5B78.5010509@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Garrett: Since you live in Framingham, you are probably never reminded >> of WCRN's major problem inside of Route 128--SERIOUS phasing between >> skywave and groundwave. > > That's true. But when I hear people talking up signals like 1260, I > feel the need to remind people that more than half of the market is > located west of 128. Which raises an interesting question: given the rules then in effect (25 mV/m over the main post office of the COL), if you'd been a consulting engineer in the thirties or forties who happened to be possessed of a population map of Greater Boston circa 2008, where would you have put your big AM transmitters in those halcyon days before NIMBYism? I'm thinking WHDH got it just about right... s From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 14 10:06:31 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:06:31 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <18554.58340.151402.984102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20080712220707.5E96B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770807121528i7b7eb099p3c44f9566380e4f1@mail.gmail.com> <7485F860-44B9-4F62-8E6D-175EFDB0FEE4@charter.net> <4fc429770807122112v63aad2ctb5d880178394b8c0@mail.gmail.com> <18553.35087.391116.520485@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807122212g56492febtf2b14bd844c46a7e@mail.gmail.com> <18554.58340.151402.984102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <487B5D67.4060703@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Still CBS also operates a station that was modeled after WBCN in >> Chicago WXRT. Norm Weiner is still there and while the format now >> skews younger they continue to remind listeners of the heritage. > > I don't think WXRT and WBCN are particularly comparable. I quite agree. XRT has aged forward with its original audience and airstaff, much as WBCN was doing up until the big upheavals of the mid-90s. In a sense, today's XRT is all about its heritage. Jocks like Lin Brehmer and Terri Hemmert have been there forever, and their demos have aged along with them, as the station has gradually migrated from a "modern" rocker (in the context of the seventies) to what we now identify as AAA. It's not a particularly young-skewing format, though it's picked up some younger listeners who identify with the music. WBCN might well have gone that route in the nineties, too, but the lure of modern rock (and Stern) in a college town was too strong. Even if the old WBCN staff - Oedipus, Laquidara, et al - somehow agreed to come back, I'm thinking a "new old" WBCN would feel artificial, much in the way Emmis is trying to recapture 1970s New York FM on WRXP with a bunch of people who weren't there then and don't really understand what made it special. s From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jul 14 10:36:00 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:36:00 -0500 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <487AD71B.9090600@fybush.com> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770807132117y2386729aj5a9604496e69516b@mail.gmail.com> <487AD71B.9090600@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807140736v311a420bq1329a503401a595@mail.gmail.com> What is amazing about WNVR is while the daytime signal covers Chicago well the signal vanishes about an hour before Chicago sundown as WBZ just appears like a local. WNVR carries Chicago Fire soccer games in Polish but they must count on an internet audience as at night the station can not reach the Polish NW side at all. Scott I would agree about 850 getting it right in the 40's. I just wonder how the disasterous WBZ Millis transmitter entered into thinking back then. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 14 10:50:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:50:21 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044><18555.22911.631536.3949@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <487B5B78.5010509@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6A2157BF0B8141498CFB5F8E215AFB86@SatU205S5044> Yes but, by dint of being licensed to Lawrence and not to Boston (though Hildreth and Rogers obviously had their sights set on Boston), WLAW was forced to find a more northerly and somewhat more easterly site and use a pattern that was closer to a figure-eight than to a cardioid. In my opinion, the result turned out to be fortuitous indeed (especially years later when WRKO was able to modify its day pattern to improve its daytime coverage of MetroWest). The Burlington site just beats the Needham site hands down! WRKO covers both Southern NH and (because of the salt water path) Cape Cod like a local; WEEI does not. Heck, with the exception of its inability to cover much to the west of 128 because of WTAG, WEZE with only 5 kW and electrically short towers, has a better signal in many parts of the market (including downtown Boston) than does WEEI with 50 kW from half-wave towers. By choosing the Needham site, WHDH was forced to send a huge signal to the east to deliver 25+ mV/m to downtown Boston despite the horrendous soil conductivity. That wastes a lot of energy over Mass Bay to the east. And without the salt water to help out, the 850 signal on Cape Cod is at best mezza-mezz. Meanwhile, Nashua and Manchester are at least a dozen miles closer to Burlington than they are to Needham. Needham may have been an obvious choice but Burlington was, in fact, by far (and probably out of necessity) a better one. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Felger leaving ESPN Boston > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> <> said: >> >>> Garrett: Since you live in Framingham, you are probably never >>> reminded >>> of WCRN's major problem inside of Route 128--SERIOUS phasing >>> between >>> skywave and groundwave. >> >> That's true. But when I hear people talking up signals like 1260, >> I >> feel the need to remind people that more than half of the market is >> located west of 128. > > Which raises an interesting question: given the rules then in effect > (25 mV/m over the main post office of the COL), if you'd been a > consulting engineer in the thirties or forties who happened to be > possessed of a population map of Greater Boston circa 2008, where > would you have put your big AM transmitters in those halcyon days > before NIMBYism? > > I'm thinking WHDH got it just about right... > > s From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 14 11:30:35 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:30:35 -0400 Subject: Felger leaving ESPN Boston In-Reply-To: <6A2157BF0B8141498CFB5F8E215AFB86@SatU205S5044> References: <8CAB35FEA468033-1400-51C@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <6BD7153AAD17482DB850210662070525@SatU205S5044> <18554.52246.196177.68665@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <880A1C9E8C514B4DB9FCEC72F5820928@SatU205S5044> <18555.22911.631536.3949@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <487B5B78.5010509@fybush.com> <6A2157BF0B8141498CFB5F8E215AFB86@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18555.28955.835410.721146@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > By choosing the Needham site, WHDH was forced to send a huge signal > to the east to deliver 25+ mV/m to downtown Boston despite the > horrendous soil conductivity. [...] Meanwhile, Nashua and > Manchester are at least a dozen miles closer to Burlington than they > are to Needham. But Nashua and Manchester aren't in the Boston market. Clearly, Burlington wasn't a bad choice at the time -- but it's not where you'd want to put it today. WRKO can't sell their bang-up coverage of the Route 101 corridor, whereas they could sell their coverage of Southborough and Acton if they had any to sell. -GAWollman From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Jul 14 11:53:54 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:53:54 -0400 Subject: AM's covering metro-Boston at night (was: Felger leaving ESPN Boston) Message-ID: <8CAB3E0F40D39BB-E64-685@FWM-D27.sysops.aol.com> I've noticed some strange signal variations with WBZ from time to time, maybe something to do with maintenance, but they usually do come back to their normal primarily-strong groundwave. Going far southeast where WBZ usually starts petering out, around the Sagamore Bridge, most of the FM's also get dodgy - especially if there's even a hint of e-skip or tropo to muck things up, not an uncommon occurrence especially in spring and summer at pretty much any time of day. I remember back around 1962-1966 listening from cottages near West Dennis Beach on summer vacation trips. At night WBZ got hammered badly by a Haitian religious station on the split-channel of 1035. During the day at West Dennis Beach, WBZ did OK (and was indeed heard coming from a number of transistor radio speakers), but more radios were actually tuned to WINS-1010 and WABC-770 from New York (and even a few on WMCA-570). Partly this was because of the New Yorkers who came to the Cape and, perhaps surprisedly, found that they could get some of their favorite hometown Top 40's just fine even at high noon. But people from metro-Boston also twisted their transistor radio knobs, heard cool tunes on loud signals, and wound up on the NYC rockers too. Boston's leading top 40 (pre-'67) was 5 kW WMEX. It didn't have a chance on the Cape: a feeble signal coming all land through that great attenuation pad, the Plymouth Pinelands along Route 3. WNLC in New London was still on 1510 then too, so that channel was not a pretty picture on the south side of the Cape. There wasn't much FM yet on the Cape then. The definition of the "Boston radio market" has no doubt expanded since the '50s / early '60s when Route 128 tended to define the outer periphery. Now people commute into town from places on and beyond 495 - Sandwich, Middleborough, Franklin, Milford, Clinton, Pepperell, parts of NH and RI, etc. Someone who works with me here in Wilmington comes in every day from York Beach, ME - a totally nutty commute in my opinion. WBZ-AM and most of the FM's cover this expanded metro reasonably well. 680 and 850 cover some, but with notable holes here and there - especially on the far west side near Worcester. The comments about 890 WAMG versus 830 WCRN are interesting. 890 not only has Chicago's WLS fighting with it, but at least near certain coastline areas, a co-channel Cuban gets into the act and there's a 1 kHz tone present from an Algerian station on 891. This is particularly noticeable up on Cape Ann. 830 has far less co-channel, and for that matter, adjacent channel interference. WCCO is a big nothing here, much weaker than Chicago stations for some reason. Right on the coast, Venezuelan and Cuban stations are way off in the background on 830 but generally not noticeable until you actually try to null WCRN. At my home location in Billerica near the Burlington town line, 830 is quite strong but does occasionally experience "self-interference": its groundwave and skip signals alternately reinforcing and cancelling. Farther out, up at the 128 rotaries in Gloucester, there's not much groundwave left but the night skip signal is big and quite reliable. Sox games on 830 have actually been noted coming in as well or better than on 680 or 850. Luckily 104.9 Gloucester usually runs the Sox too, so that's the obvious pick on Cape Ann. I have spectrum recordings using an SDR-IQ receiver in Rockport that show 830 (mostly skip) better than 850 (mostly groundwave) almost half the time after dark. They also show WAMG-890 getting keel-hauled by Algeria on 891. WCRN does provide a very good signal throughout the western crescent of 495 from 95 in Foxborough up to 3 in Chelmsford. This was a previously very-poorly-served area. 680 and 850 are rubbish out there, especially right around the Mass Pike / 495 junction - a very high traffic area. Only WBZ and maybe ten FM's blanketed this chunk of metro-west. The Lowell, Concord, Natick, Framingham, Ashland, Marlborough, and Milford AM's certainly did not. They just covered little slivers. Dan mentioned other good-signal Boston AM's at night in the closer-in northwestern suburbs besides 590, 680, 850, and 1030. 1510 is good here near the 3A / 62 junction but takes a nosedive by the time you get out to 495 (Chelmsford / Lowell). 1520 Buffalo badly "scuffs" it there. 1200 (present Framingham site) has junk at night under it. Ontario and upstate NY are the most consistent culprits. Good thing I don't give two hoots for WKOX's format. I suppose they will be louder from Newton. 1150 was great - a ton of bricks - when they ran the day set-up at night. Ditto for 950. Neither is quite as spectacular now. 1060 is good days but fairly useless at night. 1330 (Waltham) is pretty good at night now, just an occasional hint of NYC under - not sure if they'll cut the mustard from Newton. 1430 just dominates over co-channel rabble from NJ, NY, and ON. When they were standards I did actually fight the junk to listen to them at night - I have antennas that can knock out a lot of stuff from the west. Table radio or car radio reception: dodgy at best. 1260 is usually in a channel-dominance tug-of-war with Fredericton, New Brunswick. If for some strange reason I wanted Radio Disney, I'd go with 1560 from NY. 1600: a lost cause. I used to listen to their Irish show on a weeknight once in a while. Even on 128 in Burlington-Woburn, WWRL from the Big Apple cleans WUNR's clock. I can get WJIB-740 better (despite Toronto). 1120 Concord wasn't mentioned. It's the Spanish-language station in CT that gives them the occasional fits, not KMOX St. Louis. Anyway, even here at night, about 8 miles east-northeast of them, they're so much weaker than the NY fire-breather on 1130 that it's not funny. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Every Boston-area AM, INCLUDING WBZ, has signal limitations SOMEWHERE in the market! ('BZs are on the far South Shore and Cape Cod.) 890's limitations are in the areas Mark mentioned, and as a relatively new signal (went on the air less than 20 years ago, I believe), 890 has deficiencies that are more pronounced than those of the 60- and 70+ year-old signals. Nevertheless, when you consider Boston-area AM signals that are inferior to 1030, 590, 680, and 850, I would put 1510 next, 1200 (when it's finally running at full power from Newton) after that, and 1150, 890 and 1060 (a tie; 1060 has better daytime coverage; 890 is better at night) next in the order in which I listed them. The next tier includes 1260, 1330 from Newton, and 1600 when they finally fix whatever it is that's currently keeping it at low power. Of the stations that are really daytimers, 950 has by far the best signal. 1430, even though it is technically a Class B, has to be ranked with the daytimers due to its unfavorable night pattern and very high NIF. Oh, and speaking of WBZ, I wonder whether it might be a victim of copper theft from its ground system within the past month or so. All of a sudden I am getting a lot of groundwave/skywave phasing in Arlington--something I never heard before in Arlington; I did hear it while driving in Sudbury at night many years ago. Given the proximity of the transmitter site to salt water, the effects might be less noticeable at WBZ than at most other stations, but I have to wonder if something might have happened that nobody at the station is aware of. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jul 14 15:03:43 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:03:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: AM's covering metro-Boston at night Message-ID: <25978066.1216062223892.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > 1330 (Waltham) is pretty good at night now, just an occasional > hint of NYC under - not sure if they'll cut the mustard from > Newton. 1330 moved to the Newton site within the past couple of weeks, though I don't think it's at what will eventually be full power. I had read that they're now on at 5 kW, but I thought they had originally applied for something like 17 kW. Still, it sounds like it's a major improvement in Boston proper from what the Waltham site was, especially in the urban/ethnic neighborhoods where much of their programming audience is. The Waltham signal was not very strong at night in Boston's urban neighborhoods. It also sounds noticeably stronger here in the Somerville area. Driving in the immediate west suburbs, of course it's not as strong in Waltham as it was, but it still sounds adequate. I don't think they'll lose any listeners that they may have had in the west suburbs that they reached before. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 14 15:36:52 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:52 -0400 Subject: AM's covering metro-Boston at night References: <25978066.1216062223892.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8E503CE738BE4D8E9F029691469201A5@SatU205S5044> WRCA will be 25 kW-D (five towers) 17 kW-N (four towers). The day pattern is quite a bit narrower than the night pattern. According to the pattern plots, the night signal where I live will be a little stronger than the day signal, notwithstanding the lower night power. I suspect that WRCA is running both of its new patterns even though neither one may yet be fully tuned up. Like you, I've read that WRCA is running with 5 kW but I think it may be running higher power than that. I could believe it was running the full 25/17 kW but I don't know that. Based on the fact that the night signal actually seems just a bit stronger than the day signal, I suspect that whatever powers WRCA is running are in the 25/17 ratio. I was well within WRCA's Waltham NIF contour. I am well outside of the Newton NIF--even when WRCA is at full night power. Although co-channel interference is quite noticeable, it has not been really objectionable the past few nights. I suspect that WUNR is running 1.25 kW ND at night as permitted in its STA for starting up operations from the new antenna system. Whatever the power and pattern, the current night signal is completely inadequate. WUNR's night signal is buried to the point of unintelligibility and almost to the point of inaudibility. I don't understand why WRCA seems able to run substantially higher power than WUNR. If I correctly recall WUNR's application, it is supposed to have a slightly lower NIF than WRCA. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: AM's covering metro-Boston at night >> 1330 (Waltham) is pretty good at night now, just an occasional >> hint of NYC under - not sure if they'll cut the mustard from >> Newton. > > 1330 moved to the Newton site within the past couple of weeks, > though I don't think it's at what will eventually be full power. > I had read that they're now on at 5 kW, but I thought they had > originally applied for something like 17 kW. > > Still, it sounds like it's a major improvement in Boston proper > from what the Waltham site was, especially in the urban/ethnic > neighborhoods where much of their programming audience is. The > Waltham signal was not very strong at night in Boston's urban > neighborhoods. It also sounds noticeably stronger here in the > Somerville area. > > Driving in the immediate west suburbs, of course it's not as > strong in Waltham as it was, but it still sounds adequate. I > don't think they'll lose any listeners that they may have had > in the west suburbs that they reached before. > > EP > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Jul 14 12:05:32 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:05:32 -0600 Subject: AM's covering metro-Boston at night (was: Felger leaving ESPN Boston) In-Reply-To: <8CAB3E0F40D39BB-E64-685@FWM-D27.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB3E0F40D39BB-E64-685@FWM-D27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807140905k2fec4a86mb827c7df7144ff31@mail.gmail.com> One of the reasons WPRX 1120 is so strong in your area sometimes Mark, I think is they "forget" to switch power and pattern sometimes. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM, wrote: > > > > 1120 Concord wasn't mentioned. It's the Spanish-language station in CT > that gives them the occasional fits, not KMOX St. Louis. Anyway, even here > at night, about 8 miles east-northeast of them, they're so much weaker than > the NY fire-breather on 1130 that it's not funny. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > Every Boston-area AM, INCLUDING WBZ, has signal limitations SOMEWHERE > in the market! ('BZs are on the far South Shore and Cape Cod.) 890's > limitations are in the areas Mark mentioned, and as a relatively new > signal (went on the air less than 20 years ago, I believe), 890 has > deficiencies that are more pronounced than those of the 60- and 70+ > year-old signals. Nevertheless, when you consider Boston-area AM > signals that are inferior to 1030, 590, 680, and 850, I would put 1510 > next, 1200 (when it's finally running at full power from Newton) after > that, and 1150, 890 and 1060 (a tie; 1060 has better daytime coverage; > 890 is better at night) next in the order in which I listed them. The > next tier includes 1260, 1330 from Newton, and 1600 when they finally > fix whatever it is that's currently keeping it at low power. Of the > stations that are really daytimers, 950 has by far the best signal. > 1430, even though it is technically a Class B, has to be ranked with > the daytimers due to its unfavorable night pattern and very high NIF. > > Oh, and speaking of WBZ, I wonder whether it might be a victim of > copper theft from its ground system within the past month or so. All > of a sudden I am getting a lot of groundwave/skywave phasing in > Arlington--something I never heard before in Arlington; I did hear it > while driving in Sudbury at night many years ago. Given the proximity > of the transmitter site to salt water, the effects might be less > noticeable at WBZ than at most other stations, but I have to wonder if > something might have happened that nobody at the station is aware of. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > >> >>> From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Jul 14 16:49:19 2008 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <20080714204919.94A275D7A7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Dan Strassberg pondered: > Last night and early this morning I picked up some AM stations I've > never heard in Arlington. ... > This is high-angle skywave, which suggests--I believe--that the > reflective layer of the ionosphere is unusually low overhead. I can > offer no explanation for that phemomenon. Maybe someone else can. Umm, I thought you were the local expert on all such matters. Solar activity is very, very low. We've been in an extended minimum long enough now so that some people are wringing hands over the potential start of Dalton or Maunder Minimum and global cooling. Cooling has started, but it may not be due to solar forcing. At any rate, it's a good time for propagation anomalies related to low solar activity. I won't hazard a guess as to what it is, but http://ecjones.org/propag.html offers some possibilities. -Ric Werme -- Coming soon - which way is the climate changing? http://WermeNH.com/climate/science.html ric@WermeNH.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 15 01:03:29 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:03:29 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <20080714204919.94A275D7A7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20080714204919.94A275D7A7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <487BF761.6451.728496@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Jul 2008 at 16:49, Ric Werme wrote: > Cooling has started, but it may not be due to solar forcing. It has? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 15 08:33:00 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:33:00 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! References: <20080714204919.94A275D7A7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <487BF761.6451.728496@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7B5D9AEE3C454333A5B914ECD4B4FF06@SatU205S5044> I can believe that and if I've got it right, the cooling is temporary and is yet another ominous sign of global warming! Huh??? Yes! As the polar ice melts, it becomes... water--yup! COLD water. And it disburses around the globe much more readily and more quickly than does ice, thus temporarily (very temporarily) lowering temperatures in the temperate zones. While the heads-in-the-sand neo-con crowd cackle about how Al Gore invented global warming the same way as he invented the Internet, temperatures will start to rise toward highs not encountered since long before the arrival of the human race. Remember, it takes 80 calories to melt 1 gram of ice, transforming it from 1 gram of ice at 0 degrees C to 1 gram of water at 0 degrees C. Then it takes only 1 additional calorie to raise the temperature of that gram of water by 1 more degree C. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Ric Werme" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! > On 14 Jul 2008 at 16:49, Ric Werme wrote: > >> Cooling has started, but it may not be due to solar forcing. > > It has? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From ewerme@comcast.net Tue Jul 15 08:44:52 2008 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <20080715124452.78E2C5B9AA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> >> Cooling has started, but it may not be due to solar forcing. > It has? Never give someone an off-topic opening like that! :-) I've tried to make a comprenhesive list of the most important points here, there's a huge amount of complexity that should be considered, but the links and their homes address a lot of that. The best overall source is http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/ Why does so little of this make it into radio news? Or other media? Warming appears to have peaked around 1998, and serious cooling started in 2007. This isn't quite the graph I was looking for, but it will do. "Poly" refers to a 3rd order polynomial fit which may overstate things at the endpoints. However, it's better than the "Hockey Stick" curve which is debunked at best and fraudulent at worst: http://www.holtlane.plus.com/images/uah_anomaly.jpg There is a recent story about the Arctic having a 50/50 chance of melting this year, but I wouldn't bet on it: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png Antarctic sea ice is at record levels earlier this year, but all we hear about is a small ice shelf collapse when the surrounding ice was a million sq km above average. That's come down some recently but is still above average: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg More on the sun, long solar cycles, and cooling: http://www.intellicast.com/Community/Content.aspx?ref=rss&a=130 http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/Solar_Arch_NY_Mar2_08.pdf Ocean currents and solar output correlate with temperature better than CO2, especially recently: http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/warming-trend-pdo-and-solar-correlate-better-than-co2/ CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but it's contributed about all it can: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ It would be nice to have a few more years' data, but that would spoil the journey. In closing, NASA's Jim Hansen brought the risks of runaway global warming to the US Congress in June 1988. His data reported that the Earth was some 0.39 degrees Celcius above the longterm average that month. He came back in June 2008 saying the same things. His June 2008 anomaly was 0.26 degrees Celcius. -Ric Werme -- Coming soon - which way is the climate changing? http://WermeNH.com/climate/science.html ric@WermeNH.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 15 09:07:35 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:07:35 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <20080715124452.78E2C5B9AA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20080715124452.78E2C5B9AA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <487CA117.6030609@fybush.com> Ric Werme wrote: > It would be nice to have a few more years' data, but that would spoil the > journey. In closing, NASA's Jim Hansen brought the risks of runaway global > warming to the US Congress in June 1988. His data reported that the Earth was > some 0.39 degrees Celcius above the longterm average that month. He came back > in June 2008 saying the same things. His June 2008 anomaly was 0.26 degrees > Celcius. Our Moderator tends to wake up a little later in the morning than most of the rest of us, though he makes up for it by working insanely late into the night. (With a newborn infant at home, I'm both up late and up early.) In any event, I'm pretty confident that I can speak for Garrett, while he slumbers, by noting that this thread, while certainly interesting, is way off-topic for this list and should probably be shifted elsewhere sooner rather than later. s From markwa1ion@aol.com Tue Jul 15 11:28:08 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:28:08 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <8CAB4A684C9517A-50C-1C4A@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> << Dan Strassberg pondered: > Last night and early this morning I picked up some AM stations I've > never heard in Arlington. ... > This is high-angle skywave, which suggests--I believe--that the > reflective layer of the ionosphere is unusually low overhead. I can > offer no explanation for that phemomenon. Maybe someone else can. >> I've always noted a lot of short skip in late spring and summer. In summer '65 when Hartford's WDRC (1360) and WPOP (1410) were both great Top 40 stations, they delivered nice clean signals just about every evening during the warm months. WPTR-1540 Albany - another legendary Top 40 then - was huge and had little or no interference. At the time, I was living near the western edge of Menotomy Rocks Park in Arlington, not very far (under 2 miles) from where Dan is now. In the wintertime, 1360 had interference to WDRC from WSAI (Cincinnati), 1410 had WPOP wrestling with WING (Dayton, OH) as well as PA and DE stations, and while WPTR still had a good signal on 1540, you had KXEL from Waterloo, IA under it with assorted preachers and country tunes later at night. So, in conclusion, short skip ... under 200 miles ... is pretty much a seasonal thing (better in spring / summer, and yielding to longer skip in autumn / winter). This is relatively independent of the solar cycle. Solar cycle variations would manifest themselves more in terms of more short-duration blackouts / aurora during high parts of the cycle. In those cases most higher latitude skip gets wiped out and a narrow area of the ionosphere along the southern horizon does all the "bouncing". Those who chase DX find good Latin American action on such auroral nights, especially if they have water south of them such as on the Nantucket Sound facing shore of the Cape. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Jul 15 11:59:48 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:59:48 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <487CC974.9090104@Gmail.com> Dan Strassberg wrote, > Last night and early this morning I picked up some AM stations > I've never heard in Arlington. They aren't especially far away > but I can't normally pick them up here and the fades prove > that I was getting skywave reception--not groundwave. At the > top of the fades, the signals were loud and clear: WNNZ 640, > WELI 960, and WHLI 1100. I don't know about the other two, but 0.640-WNNZ has been booming in both in Boston and up here on the North Shore for the past several nights??I strongly suspect a case of day power/pattern cheating, rather than some propagational anomaly. P=) On a related note, Hope Valley RI's 1.180-WCNX was noted left on all night last week (still is?) w/CNN-H News. Also, last Friday night 1.570-WNSH appeared to be on an elevated night (but definitely sub-day) power, but then when I checked at 7am??well into daytime??not only were they still at a reduced power, but they kept clicking off (down?), then quickly recovered to the reduced power. When I checked again after getting off the train (in Beverly) just after 9am, they were off-air, then clicked back on just before 10am. While this time seemed like a legitimate case of "technical difficulties", there *has* been a few times in the past couple of months (including the previous Friday night) when 'NSH *was* on full daytime power/pattern all night. (Tisk-tisk Mr. Willcox! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Jul 15 11:59:54 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:59:54 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] WERS' W268AM-101.5 Noted On Message-ID: <487CC97A.4050101@Gmail.com> I don't know if they just came on the air or have been on and just began using the higher antenna, but Emerson College's 88.9-WERS Gloucester translator on 101.5, W268AM, was noted for the first time last Thursday. I had picked up WXSR-FL via e-skip a couple of days earlier and some rock or talk station poking in and out a few days before that (I suspected either NY or NH), so I was keeping an eye on 101.5, but no sign of W268AM until Thursday, and I've been able to pick them up all over town (Beverly), ever since...albeit spotty and nowheres as strong and steady as WFNX's former 101.3 xltr (W267AI) was. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 15 12:30:48 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:30:48 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! References: <20080714204919.94A275D7A7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002701c8e698$24d02f60$12854c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ric Werme To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! > Dan Strassberg pondered: > > > Last night and early this morning I picked up some AM stations I've > > never heard in Arlington. ... > > > This is high-angle skywave, which suggests--I believe--that the > > reflective layer of the ionosphere is unusually low overhead. I can > > offer no explanation for that phemomenon. Maybe someone else can. > > Umm, I thought you were the local expert on all such matters. > > Solar activity is very, very low. We've been in an extended minimum long > enough now so that some people are wringing hands over the potential start of > Dalton or Maunder Minimum and global cooling. > > Cooling has started, but it may not be due to solar forcing. > > At any rate, it's a good time for propagation anomalies related to low > solar activity. I was just reading about this in Monitoring Times yesterday. Apparently Solar Cycle 24 (the periodic increase in sunspot activity that leads to enhanced propagation on higher frequencies) has been unusually slow to get going, causing some to speculate that it may be a dud. The last time that happened was in one of the planet's little cold snaps, so that's got the climatologists as well as the shortwave geeks speculating. Although "Monitoring Times" is written for shortwave geeks; the advice I remember most from the article was "Don't buy that new 10-meter rig just yet!" Howard From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jul 15 13:15:09 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:15:09 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <002701c8e698$24d02f60$12854c0c@oemcomputer> References: <002701c8e698$24d02f60$12854c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001501c8e69e$5a8ed330$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Howard Glazer > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:31 PM > To: Ric Werme; Dan.Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! > Although "Monitoring Times" is written for > shortwave geeks; the advice I remember most from the article > was "Don't buy that new 10-meter rig just yet!" But anomalies will happen. Despite being at the supposed bottom of the cycle when we should forget about 10 meter DX, I worked Argentina during the 10 meter contest last December. 73 de KC1IH Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 15 21:08:19 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <487CA117.6030609@fybush.com> References: <20080715124452.78E2C5B9AA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <487CA117.6030609@fybush.com> Message-ID: <487D11C3.6042.F0EABE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:07, Scott Fybush wrote: > In any event, I'm pretty confident that I can speak for Garrett, while > he slumbers, by noting that this thread, while certainly interesting, > is way off-topic for this list and should probably be shifted > elsewhere sooner rather than later. Ok, so here's an on-topic question: What effect will global climate change have on radio propagation? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 15 21:38:32 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:38:32 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <487D11C3.6042.F0EABE@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080715124452.78E2C5B9AA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <487CA117.6030609@fybush.com> <487D11C3.6042.F0EABE@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <487D5118.9000103@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Ok, so here's an on-topic question: What effect will global climate > change have on radio propagation? FOFL. Joe, you're good! Didn't see that one coming. Bill O'Neill // From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jul 15 21:59:53 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:59:53 -0400 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR Message-ID: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> According to an article in the New Hampshire Union Leader, the Manchester Monarchs AHL hockey team's radio broadcasts will be moving from WGIR (who aired the games the past 7 seasons) to WGHM (900 Nashua) which simulcasts on WGAM (1250 Manchester). The Union Leader article says that 1250's calls are WKBR, which they haven't been for a while, and has 900 as WGAM, they are now WGHM. Also interesting to note that when there are conflicts with Red Sox or Patriots games, Monarchs hockey will be bumped to sister station WSMN, which doesn't get too far at night (when a fair amount of the games air) from it's temporary TX site diplexing off the WGHM tower in downtown Nashua. The article also mentions that University of NH football, mens's hockey, plus selected women's hockey, men's and women's basketball games will air on WGIR starting this Fall. The article doesn't mention it but I believe WFEA was the Manchester UNH sports affiliate the past few years. The article also mentions that the UNH sports flagship station continues to be WTSN, which covers Dover, Rochester & Plymouth. (I think they meant Portsmouth). Link to the article: http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Changes+in+air+for+Monarchs%2c+UNH&articleId=252b41f4-45a3-44e2-8a8c-073a55c01104 Mark Watson From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Jul 16 09:23:01 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:23:01 -0400 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> References: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <9ff2be350807160623p56114590ybbaf3957abe0f9c2@mail.gmail.com> On 7/15/08, Mark Watson wrote: > Monarchs hockey will be bumped to sister station WSMN, which > doesn't get too far at night (when a fair amount of the games air) from it's > temporary TX site diplexing off the WGHM tower in downtown Nashua. > Are there any plans to find a new site for WSMN or do they plan to apply to stay on the WGHM tower at reduced power non-DA? I can't imagine they're gonna find any affordable land for a 3 tower DA anywhere near Nashua. > The article also mentions that University of NH football, mens's hockey, > plus selected women's hockey, men's and women's basketball games will air on > WGIR starting this Fall. The article doesn't mention it but I believe WFEA > was the Manchester UNH sports affiliate the past few years. Is Dick Osborne still involved with UNH sports? I recall there being a scandal of some sort concerning him a couple years ago and that UNH was considering dropping him. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 16 09:42:17 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:42:17 -0400 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR References: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> <9ff2be350807160623p56114590ybbaf3957abe0f9c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ED0C8403D74113ACB099C741DC8A33@SatU205S5044> I have it on good authority that WSMN has secured a site for a full-power operation and is working on an application to move to it. However, I heard this several months ago and no timetable was mentioned. Also, I have yet to see anything about the application in the FCC actions. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR > On 7/15/08, Mark Watson wrote: >> Monarchs hockey will be bumped to sister station WSMN, which >> doesn't get too far at night (when a fair amount of the games air) >> from it's >> temporary TX site diplexing off the WGHM tower in downtown Nashua. >> > > > Are there any plans to find a new site for WSMN or do they plan to > apply to stay on the WGHM tower at reduced power non-DA? I can't > imagine they're gonna find any affordable land for a 3 tower DA > anywhere near Nashua. > > >> The article also mentions that University of NH football, mens's >> hockey, >> plus selected women's hockey, men's and women's basketball games >> will air on >> WGIR starting this Fall. The article doesn't mention it but I >> believe WFEA >> was the Manchester UNH sports affiliate the past few years. > > Is Dick Osborne still involved with UNH sports? I recall there > being > a scandal of some sort concerning him a couple years ago and that > UNH > was considering dropping him. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 16 09:49:37 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:49:37 -0400 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <49ED0C8403D74113ACB099C741DC8A33@SatU205S5044> References: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> <9ff2be350807160623p56114590ybbaf3957abe0f9c2@mail.gmail.com> <49ED0C8403D74113ACB099C741DC8A33@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807160649k68fbcb3q95de6f938377978@mail.gmail.com> WSMN had even had a MW5 shipped up from Florida back in The Summer of 2005, although I'm not sure if that was a working transmitter or not or what was done with it. Paul Walker On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I have it on good authority that WSMN has secured a site for a > full-power operation and is working on an application to move to it. > However, I heard this several months ago and no timetable was > mentioned. Also, I have yet to see anything about the application in > the FCC actions. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" > To: "Boston Radio" > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To > WGIR > > > > On 7/15/08, Mark Watson wrote: >> >>> Monarchs hockey will be bumped to sister station WSMN, which >>> doesn't get too far at night (when a fair amount of the games air) >>> from it's >>> temporary TX site diplexing off the WGHM tower in downtown Nashua. >>> >>> >> >> Are there any plans to find a new site for WSMN or do they plan to >> apply to stay on the WGHM tower at reduced power non-DA? I can't >> imagine they're gonna find any affordable land for a 3 tower DA >> anywhere near Nashua. >> >> >> The article also mentions that University of NH football, mens's >>> hockey, >>> plus selected women's hockey, men's and women's basketball games >>> will air on >>> WGIR starting this Fall. The article doesn't mention it but I >>> believe WFEA >>> was the Manchester UNH sports affiliate the past few years. >>> >> >> Is Dick Osborne still involved with UNH sports? I recall there >> being >> a scandal of some sort concerning him a couple years ago and that >> UNH >> was considering dropping him. >> > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 12:26:58 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <007e01c8e6e7$a3e951b0$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <761813.99064.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mark Watson wrote: > According to an article in the New Hampshire Union Leader, the > Manchester > Monarchs AHL hockey team's radio broadcasts will be moving from WGIR > (who > aired the games the past 7 seasons) to WGHM (900 Nashua) which > simulcasts on > WGAM (1250 Manchester). The Union Leader article says that 1250's > calls are > WKBR, which they haven't been for a while, and has 900 as WGAM, they > are now > WGHM. Also interesting to note that when there are conflicts with Red > Sox or > Patriots games, Monarchs hockey will be bumped to sister station > WSMN, which > doesn't get too far at night (when a fair amount of the games air) > from it's > temporary TX site diplexing off the WGHM tower in downtown Nashua. > > The article also mentions that University of NH football, mens's > hockey, > plus selected women's hockey, men's and women's basketball games will > air on > WGIR starting this Fall. The article doesn't mention it but I believe > WFEA > was the Manchester UNH sports affiliate the past few years. The > article also > mentions that the UNH sports flagship station continues to be WTSN, > which > covers Dover, Rochester & Plymouth. (I think they meant Portsmouth). > > Link to the article: > > http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Changes+in+air+for+Monarchs%2c+UNH&articleId=252b41f4-45a3-44e2-8a8c-073a55c01104 This gives WGAM/WGHM more legitimacy in the market, with a in-state pro franchise on board. With local programming from 3 to 7 p.m., the Monarchs will have a strong lead-in. When I've listened to The Home Team, I haven't heard much in the way of Monarchs talk, so I'm sure the Monarchs will enjoy the increased coverage. The problem for the Monarchs is that the AHL playoffs run from April until deep in June, longer than the NHL playoffs. Potentially, there are two months where the Sox will knock the Monarchs off the air. Seeing as 1590 has issues with getting to the southern end of Nashua at night, there's no way it'll find its way to Manchester. Maybe a 1590/WFEA simulcast for those games would work? The other winner in this is UNH. They had no radio coverage in Nashua. The WGIR network will fill in gaps in southern New Hampshire. To answer Steve's question: Dick Osborne was arrested last year, and he was charged with responding to a Craigslist posting and seeking sex. He worked out a plea deal in October, but he lost his jobs at UNH and NHTI as a result. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 16 13:22:11 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:22:11 -0500 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0400 >On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:07, Scott Fybush wrote: > In any event, I'm pretty confident that I can speak for Garrett, while > he slumbers, by noting that this thread, while certainly interesting, > is way off-topic for this list and should probably be shifted > elsewhere sooner rather than later. >Ok, so here's an on-topic question: What effect will global climate >change have on radio propagation? >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com That's easy...all stations, especially AM stations, whose transmitters are hard to move around, that have their towers on the coast (hereabouts WBZ, WROL, WLYN, WJDA) will find themselves under full fathoms of water! That really has an effect on propagation. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Jul 16 13:55:59 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:55:59 -0400 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <761813.99064.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <761813.99064.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9959AA75-3CA9-46EB-864D-4F3CA24AF6E5@charter.net> I don't think the "WGIR Network" is involved in the UNH deal, just WGIR itself. The UNH website only mentions 610. I seriously doubt UNH flagship WTSN/Dover would want the games on WGIN/Rochester or WGIP/Exeter. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > The other winner in this is UNH. They had no radio coverage in Nashua. > The WGIR network will fill in gaps in southern New Hampshire. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 16 14:53:47 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:53:47 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! References: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: First step: stilts! Gotta get the bottom of the base insulator well above high tide--like 100-year high tide. The work sounds expensive. Remember a few years back WBZ was going to replace its towers? They went back almost to square one and reguyed them instead. Originally, guys were connected only at two points on each tower. Apparently the towers flexed incredibly in high winds, which must be pretty common in Hull. I've heard that they are now guyed at four points per tower. Presumably, the guy anchor points would be raised vertically on concrete piers, like the anchor points for the WWZN towers in Waltham. The coverage will probably be affected in major ways. Places that used to get a weak signal via land will now get much stronger signals via (too much) salt water. A very big deal, I'd say. Maybe someone will decide that although a rising tide lifts all boats it will sink AM, and AM radio will just disappear beneath the waves (so to speak). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0400 >On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:07, Scott Fybush wrote: > In any event, I'm pretty confident that I can speak for Garrett, > while > he slumbers, by noting that this thread, while certainly > interesting, > is way off-topic for this list and should probably be shifted > elsewhere sooner rather than later. >Ok, so here's an on-topic question: What effect will global climate >change have on radio propagation? >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com That's easy...all stations, especially AM stations, whose transmitters are hard to move around, that have their towers on the coast (hereabouts WBZ, WROL, WLYN, WJDA) will find themselves under full fathoms of water! That really has an effect on propagation. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 16 15:10:39 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <40776.66.195.169.98.1216235439.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> > That's easy...all stations, especially AM stations, whose transmitters are > hard to move around, that have their towers on the coast (hereabouts WBZ, > WROL, WLYN, WJDA) will find themselves under full fathoms of water! That > really has an effect on propagation. So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Jul 16 14:27:58 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <9959AA75-3CA9-46EB-864D-4F3CA24AF6E5@charter.net> Message-ID: <794367.41207.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David Tomm wrote: > I don't think the "WGIR Network" is involved in the UNH deal, just > WGIR itself. The UNH website only mentions 610. I seriously doubt > UNH flagship WTSN/Dover would want the games on WGIN/Rochester or > WGIP/Exeter. That would make sense, David, but I didn't think that WGIR broke the simulcast. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 16 15:35:00 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <40776.66.195.169.98.1216235439.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> References: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <40776.66.195.169.98.1216235439.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Message-ID: <18558.19812.16414.59943@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? What's that city in Pennsylvania with the mine fire underneath?[1] Are/were there any broadcast facilities licensed there? -GAWollman [1] I will undoubtedly remember the name ten seconds after sending this message.... From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 16 15:35:50 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <18558.19812.16414.59943@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20080716172211.163E21BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <40776.66.195.169.98.1216235439.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <18558.19812.16414.59943@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49255.66.195.169.98.1216236950.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> > < said: > >> So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? > > What's that city in Pennsylvania with the mine fire underneath?[1] > Are/were there any broadcast facilities licensed there? > > -GAWollman > > [1] I will undoubtedly remember the name ten seconds after sending > this message.... Centralia...and, no, nothing licensed there, alas. s From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 16 15:13:42 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:13:42 -0500 Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR Message-ID: <20080716191342.DF59A104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Tomm" >To: ssmyth@psualum.com >Subject: Re: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:55:59 -0400 >I don't think the "WGIR Network" is involved in the UNH deal, just >WGIR itself. The UNH website only mentions 610. I seriously >doubt UNH flagship WTSN/Dover would want the games on >WGIN/Rochester or WGIP/Exeter. >-Dave Tomm >"Mike Thomas" >On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > The other winner in this is UNH. They had no radio coverage in Nashua. > The WGIR network will fill in gaps in southern New Hampshire. > I read about this yesterday on the internets, so from time to time today, I tuned in to Nashua's WGHM-AM 900 (I can't get WGAM-AM 1250 very well due to WMKI-AM 1260's IBOC hash). Almost every break for "commercials" featured PSA's...sort of like Boston's Progressive Talk (WXKS-AM/WKOX) just before the switch to "Radio Rumba". I wonder if these stations will be around (both 900 and 1590 had long periods of being off-the-air in the past) or have the same format for the life of the contract. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 16 15:16:40 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:16:40 -0500 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! Message-ID: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) > That's easy...all stations, especially AM stations, whose transmitters are > hard to move around, that have their towers on the coast (hereabouts WBZ, > WROL, WLYN, WJDA) will find themselves under full fathoms of water! That > really has an effect on propagation. >So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? I referenced the WLYN tower on which WESX will be diplexed; I guess if WLYN's tower is moved to another location inland, WESX can adopt the same COL. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jul 16 15:45:46 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:45:46 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <40776.66.195.169.98.1216235439.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8e77c$8fcbfad0$a9141bac@core2k> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:11 PM > To: Laurence Glavin > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! > So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? And will Don White still be able to sing about Nahant in his song "I'm from Lynn, what can I say"? :-) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:51:29 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:51:29 -0500 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807161251l37999dfdl3f13764cb7319c44@mail.gmail.com> No, WESX won't be able to adopt the same COL. Presumably, WESX is the only facility to be licensed to that town and once you've licensed yourself as the first service to town, you can't change that City of License unless you replace it with somsething else (Translators, LPFM's and Class D/Secondary services don't count) Paul On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Fybush" > >To: "Laurence Glavin" > >Subject: Re: Like tropo--except it's AM! > >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) > > > That's easy...all stations, especially AM stations, whose transmitters > are > > hard to move around, that have their towers on the coast (hereabouts WBZ, > > WROL, WLYN, WJDA) will find themselves under full fathoms of water! That > > really has an effect on propagation. > > >So what happens to WESX if there's no Nahant left for it to move to? > > I referenced the WLYN tower on which WESX will be diplexed; I guess if > WLYN's > tower is moved to another location inland, WESX can adopt the same COL. > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jul 16 16:04:10 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:04:10 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <000f01c8e77c$8fcbfad0$a9141bac@core2k> References: <000f01c8e77c$8fcbfad0$a9141bac@core2k> Message-ID: <487E543A.8000308@gabrielmass.com> On 07/16/2008 03:45 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > And will Don White still be able to sing about Nahant in his song "I'm from > Lynn, what can I say"? :-) Nahant will be like the towns flooded to make the Quabbin Reservoir, the subject of nostalgia and annual commemorations. There will be a Last Night Ball before the evacuation, and the town's monuments will be relocated to higher ground. If there were any stations serving Nahant, they'd need new COLs. --RC From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Jul 16 15:17:10 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Manchester Monarchs Hockey Moves To WGAM, UNH Sports To WGIR In-Reply-To: <20080716191342.DF59A104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <368004.73444.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > I read about this yesterday on the internets, so from time to time > today, I > tuned in to Nashua's WGHM-AM 900 (I can't get WGAM-AM 1250 very well > due to > WMKI-AM 1260's IBOC hash). Almost every break for "commercials" > featured > PSA's...sort of like Boston's Progressive Talk (WXKS-AM/WKOX) just > before the > switch to "Radio Rumba". I wonder if these stations will be around > (both 900 > and 1590 had long periods of being off-the-air in the past) or have > the same > format for the life of the contract. They have much more of a local spot load during their PM drive show. During their birdfed daytime programming, not so much. From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Jul 16 19:08:58 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:08:58 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org> 1. Where was the station that had part of their signal on a boat, in RI, so the conductivity changed with the tide? 2.We, WNSH, will be fine. We are about 30-40' above sea level mlw although we are only a half mile from Salem Sound. 3. Forget global warming. Get your fur coats. CO2 has a minor role compared to sunspots. I love the way National Geographic describes the melting of Greenland's glaciers as a catastrophic event. Hmmm.... the Vikings were herding sheep there less than 1,000 years ago until changes in sunspots caused the mini-ice age. First step: stilts! Gotta get the bottom of the base insulator well >above high tide--like 100-year high tide. The work sounds expensive. >Remember a few years back WBZ was going to replace its towers? They >went back almost to square one and reguyed them instead. Originally, >guys were connected only at two points on each tower. Apparently the >towers flexed incredibly in high winds, which must be pretty common in >Hull. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 16 20:48:37 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:48:37 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere In-Reply-To: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807161748y1c511d88tf107013d6c6b06de@mail.gmail.com> The station isn't on a boat, but 1220's tower in Providence is on a small island in the middle of the river Paul Walker KNLV-FM Ord, NE www.realradiousa.com On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Keating Willcox wrote: > 1. Where was the station that had part of their signal on a boat, in RI, so > the conductivity changed with the tide? > > 2.We, WNSH, will be fine. We are about 30-40' above sea level mlw although > we are only a half mile from Salem Sound. > > 3. Forget global warming. Get your fur coats. CO2 has a minor role compared > to sunspots. I love the way National Geographic describes the melting of > Greenland's glaciers as a catastrophic event. Hmmm.... the Vikings were > herding sheep there less than 1,000 years ago until changes in sunspots > caused the mini-ice age. > > First step: stilts! Gotta get the bottom of the base insulator well > >> above high tide--like 100-year high tide. The work sounds expensive. >> Remember a few years back WBZ was going to replace its towers? They >> went back almost to square one and reguyed them instead. Originally, >> guys were connected only at two points on each tower. Apparently the >> towers flexed incredibly in high winds, which must be pretty common in >> Hull. >> > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 16 21:13:05 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:13:05 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere References: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <8bce0fe80807161748y1c511d88tf107013d6c6b06de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: KNEW in Oakland has a two tower array at the edge of SF Bay right near east end of the Bay Bridge. I've seen an areal photo and the towers (they are self-supporting) actually stand in the (salt) water. I've heard that, as the tide comes in and goes out, the electrical characteristics of the towers change, which affects the tuning of the array. The engineers rigged up some sort of clever but apparently rather simple hydraulic/electromechanical arrangement to make the tuning indifferent to the water level. Seems to me I heard that it involves something like the float in a toilet tank probably linked to a variable inductor or an air-variable capacitor or both. I wonder if this arrangement grew in complexity a few years ago when the station increased from 5 kW DA-N to 20 kW-D/5 kW-N DA-2. The day and night patterns are similar (the day pattern appears to be a somewhat detuned version of the night pattern), so maybe whatever worked for the night pattern also works for the day pattern. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Keating Willcox" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: water water everywhere > The station isn't on a boat, but 1220's tower in Providence is on a > small > island in the middle of the river > > Paul Walker > KNLV-FM Ord, NE > www.realradiousa.com > > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Keating Willcox > wrote: > >> 1. Where was the station that had part of their signal on a boat, >> in RI, so >> the conductivity changed with the tide? >> >> 2.We, WNSH, will be fine. We are about 30-40' above sea level mlw >> although >> we are only a half mile from Salem Sound. >> >> 3. Forget global warming. Get your fur coats. CO2 has a minor role >> compared >> to sunspots. I love the way National Geographic describes the >> melting of >> Greenland's glaciers as a catastrophic event. Hmmm.... the Vikings >> were >> herding sheep there less than 1,000 years ago until changes in >> sunspots >> caused the mini-ice age. >> >> First step: stilts! Gotta get the bottom of the base insulator well >> >>> above high tide--like 100-year high tide. The work sounds >>> expensive. >>> Remember a few years back WBZ was going to replace its towers? >>> They >>> went back almost to square one and reguyed them instead. >>> Originally, >>> guys were connected only at two points on each tower. Apparently >>> the >>> towers flexed incredibly in high winds, which must be pretty >>> common in >>> Hull. >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.radio-talk.net > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Jul 16 22:22:20 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:22:20 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere In-Reply-To: References: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org><8bce0fe80807161748y1c511d88tf107013d6c6b06de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0967EE9FAC2D4B9794751B94A0E7652C@DanBillingsPC> In April of 1987, Maine had a spring flood. I was working at 1470 WLAM Auburn at the time. The station, and the towers, were located right next to the Androscoggin River. The whole field where the towers are flooded and the building was sorrounded by water, but with the help of sand bags, the station stated on the air. It was weird looking out the window and seeing water all around you. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Jul 16 22:54:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:54:16 -0500 Subject: water water everywhere In-Reply-To: <0967EE9FAC2D4B9794751B94A0E7652C@DanBillingsPC> References: <200807162309.m6GN987k069191@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <8bce0fe80807161748y1c511d88tf107013d6c6b06de@mail.gmail.com> <0967EE9FAC2D4B9794751B94A0E7652C@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770807161954s47582b71qc70947bf7cda9254@mail.gmail.com> This would not bode well for WCBS and WFAN being on an island in the Bronx either. Also the first directional station in the US 620 in Tampa Bay the towers are in the bay. From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Jul 16 22:55:13 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:13 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere Message-ID: <001001c8e7b8$88bd86a0$2002a8c0@Chicken159> I think the station you are thinking of is WDDZ formerly WPAW...WGNG etc on 550 licensed to Pawtucket.. I heard from Jay Asher that WJDA in Quincy 1300 is (was) a bit unstable as the tide goes in and out. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 17 01:18:09 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:18:09 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80807161251l37999dfdl3f13764cb7319c44@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>, <8bce0fe80807161251l37999dfdl3f13764cb7319c44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E9DD1.24090.7221C6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 16 Jul 2008 at 14:51, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Presumably, WESX is the only facility to be licensed to that town and > once you've licensed yourself as the first service to town, you can't > change that City of License unless you replace it with somsething else > (Translators, LPFM's and Class D/Secondary services don't count) Well, yeah, but if the original COL has ceased to exist? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Jul 17 01:32:48 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:32:48 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <487E9DD1.24090.7221C6@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>, <8bce0fe80807161251l37999dfdl3f13764cb7319c44@mail.gmail.com> <487E9DD1.24090.7221C6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <487ED980.1020801@gabrielmass.com> On 07/17/2008 01:18 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > Well, yeah, but if the original COL has ceased to exist? > Hm, yes. If Nahant should someday no longer exist above water or even in law, are there not COLs which are not the names of incorporated municipalities? --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 17 08:09:29 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:09:29 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <487ED980.1020801@gabrielmass.com> References: <20080716191640.134B6104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80807161251l37999dfdl3f13764cb7319c44@mail.gmail.com> <487E9DD1.24090.7221C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <487ED980.1020801@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <18559.13945.268330.835701@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If Nahant should someday no longer exist above water or even in law, are > there not COLs which are not the names of incorporated municipalities? Many. If you include translators, probably most of them. -GAWollman From jmurphy@jonesradio.net Thu Jul 17 14:09:36 2008 From: jmurphy@jonesradio.net (Jim Murphy) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:09:36 -0600 Subject: water water everywhere Message-ID: It was not always that way for WNSH. I remember MANY times when we could not get to the AM 1570 north tower in Danversport to take base current readings, due to the tidal flow in the Danvers River. But we always had a great signal (for 500 watts) up and down the coast! Jim Murphy (GM/WMLO 1978-1979) VP of Country Media & Director of Operations Dial-Global Denver 303-784-8757 jmurphy@jonesradio.net Jones Radio Networks is now part of Dial Global & Triton Media Group! Same location and phone numbers, but watch for a new email address soon. -----Original Message----- From: Keating Willcox [mailto:kwillcox@wnsh.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:09 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: water water everywhere 2.We, WNSH, will be fine. We are about 30-40' above sea level mlw although we are only a half mile from Salem Sound. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jul 17 14:54:04 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:54:04 -0500 Subject: Jo Stafford Dies At Age 90 Message-ID: <20080717185409.BA48911581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> I don't know if the Egyptian Government will dim the lights shining on the pyramids along the Nile, but the news is that Jo Stafford died Wednesday, July 16th at the age of 90. With Rosemary Clooney and Peggy Lee long gone, Jo Stafford, while not active, represented the last of the highly-regarded female pop singers from mid-20th Century. With a unique mezzo-ish perfectly controlled voice (more about that in a moment), she could not be mistaken for anyone else. Possessed of near-perfect pitch, she was able to make fun of her own prowess by adopting the persona of Darlene Edwards, a parody of the nightclub chanteuse who came close to singing on-pitch and in tempo, but missed it by that much. Her accompanist was husband-band leader Paul Weston (born in Springfield, MA) who adopted the nom-de-piano of Jonathan Edwards. I wonder if any local radio stations will honor her memory once the word gets out. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From CHall@wfnx.com Thu Jul 17 17:33:52 2008 From: CHall@wfnx.com (Hall, Chris) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:33:52 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere Message-ID: <70E642718F192B49BBF73B1D165733536A85B8@email01.phx.local> I did a lot of work at the Danversport WMLO site over the years and always thought the 500 watt DA-1 operation covered what it needed to cover quite well with the exception of Lynn because of the Taunton null. Ideally the current ND day power from Danversport and old 500 watt DA operation at night would have been the best of both worlds. The conductivity of the salt water path of the Danvers river was great! This electronic message may contain privileged information. The information is intended for use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, please be advised that any copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jul 18 01:45:36 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:45:36 -0400 Subject: Jo Stafford Message-ID: <002801c8e899$811b4ef0$2002a8c0@Chicken159> Its so sad to see another 50's Pop singer die, everyday you see another obit for the great movie actors and actressses of the best years of movies also disappear....thank God for records and film Hollywood cannot seem to be able to make a watchable movie anymore.... all they make are films with an overuse of special effects with losts of cars flying in the air exploding with more force than the first Hydrogen bomb. No meat or story...all fluff, have not been in a movie theater since the late 80's Luckily there are some good independent and foreign movies on cable and satellite. From blainethompson@gmail.com Fri Jul 18 08:30:42 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: Article on Fybush's website Message-ID: <7bded94e0807180530p5af5b9d4idc0f2795e6fdf6cd@mail.gmail.com> Just spotted an article about Scott's website from Lynn Arave's column in the Salt Lake City Deseret News. Arave discusses Fybush's "Tower Site of the Week" as it concerns Utah, and even mentions the calendar. http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700243868,00.html - Blaine From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jul 18 12:25:48 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:25:48 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame Message-ID: <4fc429770807180925v6968b5f9s7f375c663ca432c5@mail.gmail.com> In a major upset Howie Carr beat out Chicago based Steve Dahl to win election to the Radio Hall of Fame based in Chicago. Dr James Dobson beat Howard Stern in the national category. Former WMEX jock Charlie Tuna was also elected as was Art Bell. Jess Cain was also honored in the posthumous category. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 18 12:43:19 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:43:19 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <4fc429770807180925v6968b5f9s7f375c663ca432c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I guess the award to Carr is yet further evidence that these awards are given only posthumously;>( I don't listen to Carr much--and I have happened on his program for a total of only a few minutes since his return from the contract dispute. Many have commented that he now sounds as if he is mailing in his shows. Whether he or Entercom have come to terms with it, Carr is dead--and good riddance. His demise couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > In a major upset Howie Carr beat out Chicago based Steve Dahl to win > election to the Radio Hall of Fame based in Chicago. > > Dr James Dobson beat Howard Stern in the national category. > > Former WMEX jock Charlie Tuna was also elected as was Art Bell. > > Jess Cain was also honored in the posthumous category. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jul 18 15:26:51 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807180925v6968b5f9s7f375c663ca432c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807180925v6968b5f9s7f375c663ca432c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807181226y1e1a692au7ba33f925b66e331@mail.gmail.com> Dr gasbag,.. er James Dobson Won over Howard Stern? I don't like either at all, but Id vote for Stern first! Paul On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In a major upset Howie Carr beat out Chicago based Steve Dahl to win > election to the Radio Hall of Fame based in Chicago. > > Dr James Dobson beat Howard Stern in the national category. > > Former WMEX jock Charlie Tuna was also elected as was Art Bell. > > Jess Cain was also honored in the posthumous category. > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From cloutier@piesky.com Fri Jul 18 13:14:16 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:14:16 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> >In a major upset Howie Carr beat out Chicago based Steve Dahl to win >election to the Radio Hall of Fame based in Chicago. > >Dr James Dobson beat Howard Stern in the national category. >Former WMEX jock Charlie Tuna was also elected as was Art Bell. > >Jess Cain was also honored in the posthumous category. I happened to be listening to Howie at the moment he found out ! He was obviously quite surprised and caught off guard by the whole thing. He thought the "Local Boy" would win. I've been listening to Carr for a long time - and before the recent contract changes. I haven't noticed a big change before V/S after, although Entercom appears to censoring what some of the hosts say/do. The biggest example of this was John Depetro, who was canned after some remarks about one of the candidates running for governer. Even the candidate did not care about the remarks, but apparently someone at Entercom did ! Too bad, too - Depetro was, well - shall I say - "interesting"?? Anyway, agree or disagree with his opinions, Howie Carr definitely deserved induction into the Radio Hall of Fame. His long and interesting career in news and broadcasting, along with his personality makes him highly qualified. Regards, Steve From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jul 18 17:55:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:55:20 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770807180925v6968b5f9s7f375c663ca432c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807181455q1a81e784t24c271d6a90fe0d0@mail.gmail.com> Dahl really did not push his nomination with his listeners. Truth is the Radio Hall of Fame is on very thin ice in chicago. The founder Bruce Dumont as angered most people in the Chicago radio community. The museum closed in December of 2003 and was supposed to reopen in 2005 at Marina City. However Dumont has botched the fundraising and has lost major grants from the City of Chicago and State of Illinois. nobody has a clue when or if the museum and Hall of Fame will ever reopen. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jul 18 18:16:00 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Like tropo--except it's AM! In-Reply-To: <487E543A.8000308@gabrielmass.com> References: <000f01c8e77c$8fcbfad0$a9141bac@core2k> <487E543A.8000308@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <48811620.3040909@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > Nahant will be like the towns flooded to make the Quabbin Reservoir, > the subject of nostalgia and annual commemorations. There will be a > Last Night Ball before the evacuation, and the town's monuments will > be relocated to higher ground. I have to wonder how long it will take before discussions regarding global environmental issues will fall under protected speech such that alternative views to the new religion shall rise to a hate crime. And tax free status. Alimus Gorecum on line 2. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jul 18 17:15:24 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:15:24 -0500 Subject: Jo Stafford Appreciation In NY Daily News Message-ID: <20080718211524.D222432675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> So far, the NY Times has been mum on the subject...there should be an obit Saturday...but the NY Daily News's entertainment writer David Hinckley (who specializes in things radio) weighs in with his take on her career: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2008/07/18/2008-07-18_jo_stafford_brings_to_mind_a_forgotten_g-1.html You ask, how did it come to pass that I would be posting on this subject? Believe it or not, her passing is the subject of posts to the worldwide Opera list-server: http://listserv.bccls.org/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0807C&L=OPERA-L The posts are in alphabetical order, so it would be under 'Jo Stafford's Passing' -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Jul 18 18:41:28 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI-FM: transmitter/power issues? Message-ID: <225702.99770.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I first noticed it about 3 p.m. today: There was a humming noise on 103.7, then a spot of dead air (a few seconds), then back on. Since then, it seems like the carrier is cutting out every minute or so for a spell of eight to 10 seconds. Not having any issues with other stations, so I'm assuming it's not my radio. Maybe Sid can provide some insight? From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Jul 19 00:23:38 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:23:38 -0400 Subject: WEEI-FM Message-ID: <000301c8e957$3803aa50$2002a8c0@Chicken159> My guess wold be T-1 problems on their Harris Interplex equipment, if so sorry to see someone else having these problems Having had more than my fair share, I'm happy its not one of mine this time although this weekends thunderstorms have just begun. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 19 02:20:34 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:20:34 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <48814F72.19227.F72D38@joe.attorneyross.com> On 18 Jul 2008 at 13:14, Steve Cloutier wrote: > The biggest example of this was John Depetro, who was canned after > some remarks about one of the candidates running for governer. Even > the candidate did not care about the remarks, but apparently someone > at Entercom did ! Too bad, too - Depetro was, well - shall I say - > "interesting"?? Gee, Howie might have tried that. If they fire him, he doesn't have to work there anymore. ;-> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 19 11:08:36 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:08:36 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere Message-ID: <005f01c8e9b1$5d0f8300$172e8900$@net> WICC in Bridgeport, CT has an excellent signal because its transmitter site is on Long Island Sound. Aerial pictures at http://www.wicc600.com/aerial.htm Another water picture...this flood picture is from a 1955 edition the Waterbury (CT) Republican-American. Notice the call letters above the water. :) http://www.bill1820.com/1955.jpg From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 19 13:24:42 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:24:42 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere References: <005f01c8e9b1$5d0f8300$172e8900$@net> Message-ID: <2E82293E4E4E4D42B8BF7940C788BD23@SatU205S5044> My impression is that the WICC towers, which are 300' high but look a lot taller, have been in use since the '20s and hence are among the oldest broadcast towers still in service in the US. I believe that the towers, which now constitute a directional array, were originally used to support a horizontal long-wire antenna. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it appears that the towers are not base-insulated. If that's so, and the towers are shunt-fed or skirt-fed, it would be evidence (though not proof) that they originally supported a horizontal radiator. Can you, or Scott Fybush or Garrett Wollman, or any of the other tower hunters on this list confirm any of this? Also, I don't believe that Tower Site of the Week has ever visited WICC. Is the Pleasure Beach Bridge open to traffic? If so, a visit would not be impossible even if a tour could not be arranged with WICC's chief engineer. WICC certainly has an impressive signal for only 1 kW-D/500W-N Dan Strassberg, Contributing Editor EDN Magazine | Reed Electronics Group | www.edn.com Fax 707-215-6367 | StrassbergEDN@att.net *** CONTACT ME BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO SEND ATTACHMENTS LARGER THAN 1 Mbyte *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dillane" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: water water everywhere > WICC in Bridgeport, CT has an excellent signal because its > transmitter site > is on Long Island Sound. Aerial pictures at > http://www.wicc600.com/aerial.htm > > Another water picture...this flood picture is from a 1955 edition > the > Waterbury (CT) Republican-American. Notice the call letters above > the > water. :) > http://www.bill1820.com/1955.jpg > From sid@wrko.com Sat Jul 19 09:57:32 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:57:32 -0400 Subject: WEEI-FM: transmitter/power issues? In-Reply-To: <225702.99770.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <225702.99770.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D16@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I first noticed it about 3 p.m. today: There was a humming noise on 103.7, then a spot of dead air (a few seconds), then back on. Since then, it seems like the carrier is cutting out every minute or so for a spell of eight to 10 seconds. Not having any issues with other stations, so I'm assuming it's not my radio. Maybe Sid can provide some insight?<< No one called me about it, but then I'm not the primary contact in engineering. I forwarded the message to the DOE. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From cloutier@piesky.com Sat Jul 19 09:06:35 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:06:35 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <48814F72.19227.F72D38@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> At 02:20 AM 7/19/2008 -0400, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 18 Jul 2008 at 13:14, Steve Cloutier wrote: > > > The biggest example of this was John Depetro, who was canned after > > some remarks about one of the candidates running for governer. Even > > the candidate did not care about the remarks, but apparently someone > > at Entercom did ! Too bad, too - Depetro was, well - shall I say - > > "interesting"?? > >Gee, Howie might have tried that. If they fire him, he doesn't have >to work there anymore. ;-> Think about that :-) Howie could EASILY get himself fired and not have to work, but he doesn't !! I'd say that's the mark of a true professional and one of many reasons he was inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame ! ? ! Although I don't really want to think about it, actually. Howie is head and shoulders above everything else on WRKO. I'd say WRKOs best lineup was when Peter Blute did the mornings, (although I did like Pat and Marjorie when they were there!!!). Depetro did the mid-day and of course Howie in the afternoon. I don't listen to Rush. At least I can still get Peter Blute over WCRN if I want something interesting in the morning.... WRKO's morning lineup is absolutely pathetic now. Unbelievable !!! Oh well :-) Regards, Steve From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jul 19 14:56:08 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:56:08 -0400 Subject: WEEI-FM: transmitter/power issues? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D16@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: > >>I first noticed it about 3 p.m. today: There was a humming noise on > 103.7, then a spot of dead air (a few seconds), then back on. Since > then, it seems like the carrier is cutting out every minute or so for a > spell of eight to 10 seconds. Not having any issues with other > stations, so I'm assuming it's not my radio. Maybe Sid can provide some > insight?<< > > No one called me about it, but then I'm not the primary contact in > engineering. I forwarded the message to the DOE. Today the audio has been fine, but the RDS has been off since the problems were fixed. For those that don't know, WEEI-FM has probably one of the best uses for RDS of any station. They show the real time score of any game that they're broadcasting. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 19 17:03:27 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:03:27 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere - WICC Message-ID: <380-22008761921327875@ix.netcom.com> a pieced-together image (from Virtual Earth / Live Search birdseye) of the WICC towers doesn't seem to show anything of insulators or feed. & yes, they do look a lot taller! >> Is the Pleasure Beach Bridge open to traffic? Virtual Earth, & Mapquest show no bridge. I guess the long way (on the neck from se, Sikorsky Memorial Airport) is the only way. Bob Sutherlan From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 19 17:18:08 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:18:08 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere - WICC Message-ID: <380-22008761921188515@ix.netcom.com> correction, there is a rotating "draw" bridge on north tip connecting north to Seaview Ave (not on Virtual Earth roads, is on birdseye view). There is also a short bridge wnw to a platform, not to mainland. > [Original Message] > From: Robert F. Sutherland > To: > Date: 7/19/2008 5:03:26 PM > Subject: Re: water water everywhere - WICC > > a pieced-together image (from Virtual Earth / Live Search birdseye) of the WICC towers > doesn't seem to show anything of insulators or feed. > & yes, they do look a lot taller! > > >> Is the Pleasure Beach Bridge open to traffic? > Virtual Earth, & Mapquest show no bridge. > I guess the long way (on the neck from se, Sikorsky Memorial Airport) > is the only way. > > Bob Sutherlan From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 19 18:20:05 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:05 -0400 Subject: water water everywhere - WICC Message-ID: <000b01c8e9ed$a1680950$e4381bf0$@net> >Is the Pleasure Beach Bridge open to traffic? According to the WICC website, no. Xmitter mtc involves a boat ride. http://www.wicc600.com/transmitter3.htm From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 19 21:36:32 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:36:32 -0400 Subject: WESX FCC oddity Message-ID: <18562.38560.767077.491022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I noticed that the FCC database now shows WESX's community of license (the "comm_city" column in the "facility" table, for those following at home) as Nahant rather than Salem. In the past, the FCC has not updated this field until a license to cover has been granted for a community change. But the construction permit was just barely granted in April, and (as I verified by going there today) WESX is not operating from Lynn at the moment. It still identifies (correctly) as "WESX Salem". I'm not sure if the FCC has changed its policy, or if it just doesn't have one. (I did, for what it's worth, get a new ID from WRCA Watertown. The Haitian guy on 1600 still can't be bothered to ID -- is Hoffman too cheap to buy a timer and just do it automatically? -- and neither did the iPod on WRBB at 7:00 if anybody there is paying attention. Finally got WHRB during a classical block.) -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 21:54:10 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Woody Woodland Fired? from WSMN 1590 AM Nashua Message-ID: <146503.57939.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NASHUA ? Longtime local radio personality Robert "Woody" Woodland announced on the air Friday morning that he was leaving his morning show on WSNM 1590 AM. "It wasn't my decision. It was theirs," Woodland said. Complete Telegraph story at: John B Derry NH N1QGS From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jul 19 23:02:03 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:02:03 -0400 Subject: Woody Woodland Fired? from WSMN 1590 AM Nashua In-Reply-To: <146503.57939.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <146503.57939.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807192002x1205905bx29d5274a318c6188@mail.gmail.com> Clicking that link doesnt seem to work for me, but when I go to the main page, I find the article there and that link works, for some odd reaosn. Anyways, from what I read, yes he was fired.. simply because he couldn't sell.. nothing complicated to figure out there. Paul On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:54 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > NASHUA ? Longtime local radio personality Robert "Woody" Woodland announced > on the air Friday morning that he was leaving his morning show on WSNM 1590 > AM. > > "It wasn't my decision. It was theirs," Woodland said. > > Complete Telegraph story at: > > > < > http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?\AID=/20080719/NEWS01/933342774 > > > > > > John B > Derry NH > N1QGS > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Sun Jul 20 15:57:41 2008 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave in Boston) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:57:41 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> <5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: >>Gee, Howie might have tried that. If they fire him, he doesn't have >>to work there anymore. ;-> > > Think about that :-) Howie could EASILY get himself fired and not have to > work, but he doesn't !! If Entercom thought that he was "trying to get fired"...and they thought that they would have to let him go, I'm SURE they would seek damages. > I'd say that's the mark of a true professional and one of many reasons he > was inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame ! ? ! True professional? It's the mark of someone who wants to keep cashing a paycheck. I think the only think that motivates Howie Carr is money. > Although I don't really want to think about it, actually. Howie is head > and shoulders above everything else on WRKO. Which is not saying much... > I'd say WRKOs best lineup was when Peter Blute did the mornings, (although > I did like Pat and Marjorie when they were there!!!). Depetro did the > mid-day and of course Howie in the afternoon. I don't listen to Rush. I think the best lineup was Ted & Janet / Gene Burns / Gerry Williams / David Brudnoy / Larry King. From atolz@comcast.net Sun Jul 20 18:53:20 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:20 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Dave in Boston writes, "I think the best lineup was Ted & Janet / Gene Burns / Gerry Williams / David Brudnoy / Larry King.". While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were ever all on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene Burns came in. Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 through 1982-83, Gene came to RKO in 1984 or 1985. When David was there, it was Tony Pepper and Janet Jeghalian, Dick Syatt, Harry Sobel, Jerry Williams and David Brudnoy. By the time Gene came aboard to do the 10-2 shift, Ted O'Brien was paired with Janet before Gene, who was followed by Jerry and then either Guy Manilla or Bill O'Connel with a sports talk show from 6-8. By then, David was on WBZ. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave in Boston" To: ; "Steve Cloutier" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > >>>Gee, Howie might have tried that. If they fire him, he doesn't have >>>to work there anymore. ;-> >> >> Think about that :-) Howie could EASILY get himself fired and not have >> to work, but he doesn't !! > > If Entercom thought that he was "trying to get fired"...and they thought > that they would have to let him go, I'm SURE they would seek damages. > >> I'd say that's the mark of a true professional and one of many reasons he >> was inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame ! ? ! > > True professional? It's the mark of someone who wants to keep cashing a > paycheck. > > I think the only think that motivates Howie Carr is money. > >> Although I don't really want to think about it, actually. Howie is head >> and shoulders above everything else on WRKO. > > Which is not saying much... > >> I'd say WRKOs best lineup was when Peter Blute did the mornings, >> (although I did like Pat and Marjorie when they were there!!!). Depetro >> did the mid-day and of course Howie in the afternoon. I don't listen to >> Rush. > > I think the best lineup was Ted & Janet / Gene Burns / Gerry Williams / > David Brudnoy / Larry King. > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 20 19:02:06 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:02:06 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> Alan Tolz wrote: > While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were ever > all on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene Burns > came in. Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 through 1982-83, That may be the case in terms of timeline, but what remains is the fact that what we no longer have is "Boston talk radio" that we can be proud of anymore. Not to disparage all of the talent who are there and doing their best, however, there were talkers who truly broke ground both for radio and for Boston in that process. Am I wrong? Bill O'Neill From atolz@comcast.net Sun Jul 20 19:11:58 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:11:58 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> No, you are 100% correct. Jerry Williams vs. Howie Carr? Gene Burns vs. Jay Severin? David Brudnoy vs. Dan Rea? Ted and Janet vs. Tom Fineran? Larry Glick vs. Steve Levelley? Please don't misinterpret this as disrespecting the current crop, but IMHO, they are no where near as vital to the media landscape as the pre-internet, pre-blogger group that came before them. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; ; "Steve Cloutier" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > Alan Tolz wrote: >> While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were ever all >> on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene Burns came in. >> Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 through 1982-83, > > > > That may be the case in terms of timeline, but what remains is the fact > that what we no longer have is "Boston talk radio" that we can be proud of > anymore. Not to disparage all of the talent who are there and doing their > best, however, there were talkers who truly broke ground both for radio > and for Boston in that process. Am I wrong? > > Bill O'Neill > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 20 19:42:05 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:42:05 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Brudnoy was HIGHLY overrated! Pomposity and absolutely indecipherable100-word sentences do not make good radio or good anything. That he was widely respected says absolutely nothing good about the listeners. Rea may not be perfect but he is a great improvement over Brudnoy. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Tolz" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > No, you are 100% correct. Jerry Williams vs. Howie Carr? Gene > Burns vs. Jay Severin? David Brudnoy vs. Dan Rea? Ted and Janet > vs. Tom Fineran? Larry Glick vs. Steve Levelley? Please don't > misinterpret this as disrespecting the current crop, but IMHO, they > are no where near as vital to the media landscape as the > pre-internet, pre-blogger group that came before them. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill O'Neill" > To: "Alan Tolz" > Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; > ; "Steve Cloutier" > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > > >> Alan Tolz wrote: >>> While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were >>> ever all on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene >>> Burns came in. Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 >>> through 1982-83, >> >> >> >> That may be the case in terms of timeline, but what remains is the >> fact that what we no longer have is "Boston talk radio" that we can >> be proud of anymore. Not to disparage all of the talent who are >> there and doing their best, however, there were talkers who truly >> broke ground both for radio and for Boston in that process. Am I >> wrong? >> >> Bill O'Neill >> > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 20 20:30:53 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:53 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Is there any right of center talk show host that you like? From atolz@comcast.net Sun Jul 20 22:28:36 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:28:36 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000701c8ead9$7afbbc20$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Yes...I'm a fan of Bill O'Reilly, Bob Grant, Irv Homer, Moe Lauzier, and Michael Graham. Was that question for me or Dan? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Alan Tolz" ; "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > Is there any right of center talk show host that you like? > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jul 21 00:12:12 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:12:12 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <48840C9C.50600@gabrielmass.com> On 07/20/2008 07:42 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Brudnoy was HIGHLY overrated! Pomposity and absolutely > indecipherable100-word sentences do not make good radio or good > anything. That he was widely respected says absolutely nothing good > about the listeners. Rea may not be perfect but he is a great > improvement over Brudnoy. Which Brudnoy do you mean? The brilliant, personable, witty, entertaining early Brudnoy of WHDH, or the bitter, impatient, but still brilliant late Brudnoy of WBZ? I respect Dan Rea a lot, but haven't listened to him in a long time. When he started doing talk radio in addition to his TV news reporting, I thought he held back from expressing much opinion. Is that still the same? --RC From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jul 21 00:25:43 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:25:43 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <000701c8ead9$7afbbc20$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> <000701c8ead9$7afbbc20$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <27CDBB72EEE6487988FB788B658331E9@DanBillingsPC> No. For Dan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Tolz" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > Yes...I'm a fan of Bill O'Reilly, Bob Grant, Irv Homer, Moe Lauzier, and > Michael Graham. Was that question for me or Dan? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 01:32:37 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:32:37 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > Brudnoy was HIGHLY overrated! Pomposity and absolutely > indecipherable100-word sentences do not make good radio or good > anything. That he was widely respected says absolutely nothing good > about the listeners. You forgot to add the key phrase in your commenttary: "Brudnoy was Conservative and you are a Liberal" >From your past posts, we've learned that if something doesn't appeal to you personally, you denigrate it. I would like to think that one can appreciate someone's talent even if we disagree with them politically. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 21 01:56:18 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:56:18 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <007301c8eaf6$7f16e380$7d44aa80$@com> > > Brudnoy was HIGHLY overrated! Pomposity and absolutely > > indecipherable100-word sentences do not make good radio or good > > anything. That he was widely respected says absolutely nothing good > > about the listeners. > > You forgot to add the key phrase in your commenttary: "Brudnoy was > Conservative and you are a Liberal" > I'm a conservative and I thought that Brudnoy was an arrogant ass. I had the opportunity to deal with him more thatn once one on one and he still was an ass. [Brian Vita] For what its worth, Brudnoy was a self-acclaimed libertarian, not conservative. Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 21 06:21:00 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:21:00 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <669D88FDECCA46EDA807F443F0914C5A@SatU205S5044> Dan Rea, Gene Burns. I mentioned Rea in a positive light, in the very post to which you are responding! Reading my WHOLE post--it was only four or so lines long--might have helped your response, counselor. As it is--especially because you are an attorney--you've made a fool of yourself! I've now given you a reason to actually read the posts to which you respond. If your prospective clients read the list, and they discover that you don't fully read even short communications before firing off responses, they will never be more than _prospective_ clients. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Alan Tolz" ; "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Dave in Boston" ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > Is there any right of center talk show host that you like? > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:38:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:38:29 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <669D88FDECCA46EDA807F443F0914C5A@SatU205S5044> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> <5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <000301c8eabe$02cca130$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <31142B9B05E24D80BB9C89321319FFAF@SatU205S5044> <669D88FDECCA46EDA807F443F0914C5A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770807210838y62118341rfb194f89d82fc33a@mail.gmail.com> I started listening to talk radio in the 60's with hosts like Jim Westover and Bob Kennedy. I only listen to WRKO now for ballgames. When I was in SF I listened to Gene on KGO and he still has his fastball. I might stomach Howie more if he just stayed local but now the Red Sox wipe out a good chunk of his local hour. From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jul 21 11:50:23 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:23 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> Most of these talkers from the "glory days" of WRKO plied their craft before the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine. The hosts had a variety of opinions on the issues of the day--some more progressive, others more conservative. They really reflected the views of most mainstream listeners, and all viewpoints were at least tolerated most of the time. Since the Fairness Doctrine was abolished and the subsequent rise of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio has morphed into a bastion of hard right, neo-conservative "thought" with no room for differing opinions or respectful debate. If a moderate or liberal caller makes it to the air and makes a fair or interesting point, they are shouted down, ridiculed or both. All the hosts in talk radio today are pretty much Rush clones, which is why there are few "stars" in the genre besides Rush himself. Oh, and before you say Sean Hannity, can someone tell me which station in Boston airs his program? If you like RNC talking points parroted to you and cheap namecalling of political opponents, then today's talk radio is for you. For the rest of us, not so much. As a result, talk radio today appeals primarily to older white males which is (surprise!) the strongest demographic of the Republican Party. In an industry which is constantly looking for younger and increasingly more diverse demographics, talk radio has become a dinosaur. Because of talk radio's anemic billing, most stations can't afford to have more than one local host, if any at all. Syndicated offerings are limited--they all sound the same. Same viewpoints and prejudices from host to host. Predictable. Yawn. Despite having Howie, Rush and the Red Sox, WRKO's billings lag far behind their 55+ padded ratings. They have one of the worst power ratios in the market. If 680 wasn't sister stations with wildly successful WEEI, and low overhead WMKK, which outbills WRKO despite having no airstaff and a minimal marketing budget, they'd be all- brokered or all-Spanish by now. At this point in the game I don't think bringing back the Fairness Doctrine would help the demographically challenged talk radio genre. The industry needs to make the move back toward the center on it's own. Most importantly, it has to return to local hosts and issues. All points of view need to be heard, including moderates, liberals and even (gasp!) minorities. If that happens, it can return to the "glory days" of the 80's. The next generation of talk radio will not appeal to current listeners of the right wing noise machine, but that's precisely the point. It needs to get younger, more tolerant and most importantly, more local. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Alan Tolz wrote: >> While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were >> ever all on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene >> Burns came in. Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 >> through 1982-83, > > > > That may be the case in terms of timeline, but what remains is the > fact that what we no longer have is "Boston talk radio" that we can > be proud of anymore. Not to disparage all of the talent who are > there and doing their best, however, there were talkers who truly > broke ground both for radio and for Boston in that process. Am I > wrong? > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 12:21:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:21:23 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> Message-ID: <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > The industry needs to make the move back toward the center on it's > own. Most importantly, it has to return to local hosts and issues. > All points of view need to be heard, including moderates, liberals and > even (gasp!) minorities. Although I can't fully embrace your premise re: the Fairness Doctrine, I do embrace the notion that the industry needs to do whatever it needs to do with minimal governmental interference. If you are get a chance to visit Vermont, tune in WDEV (550//96.1//& translators). They have a decent blend of local talk, primarily liberal, even in the non-talk jock banter from time to time. That works well with the landscape, demo, and a good deal of the state's liberal pods (Montpelier, Burlington). The very fact that Boston, host to such a liberal gene pool, isn't blasting that perspective throughout the Hub has more to do with the quality of the talker. Opinionated person first and Talker second fails every time. Broadcast professional talker first and opinionated person second builds slowly but far more deeply. Blame the the decision makers with hiring authority in the local markets and then pass the blame on up to the "big nasty corporations with a big agenda." Verdict: Local programming bosses suck. And in the stylings of Steve Sweeney in the stylings of former Boston Mayor Kevin White, "I'm not bittah! I am nWot bittah!" Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 12:46:08 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:46:08 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <206826A750344F1E8C3914FAC7B2B89E@MainXPPro> > David Tomm wrote: >> The industry needs to make the move back toward the center on it's own. >> Most importantly, it has to return to local hosts and issues. All points >> of view need to be heard, including moderates, liberals and even (gasp!) >> minorities. > Although I can't fully embrace your premise re: the Fairness Doctrine... I don't know if I buy the "Fairness Doctrine" argument either. (It seems to be a current "talking point".) When did the Fairness Doctrine get removed? I seem to remember lots of conservative hosts while that was in place. From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jul 21 13:11:21 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:21 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: There's a reason that conservatives get their tighty-whities all in a bunch when the subject of restoring the Fairness Doctrine comes up. The right wing dominance of talk radio began with it's abolition and would wither away and die in many markets if there were mandates in airing all points of view on public airwaves. But as I've mentioned, I don't favor restoring it. The industry needs to figure it out. It sounds as if WDEV is doing local talk that reflects it's community. If WRKO (and WTKK for that matter) were truly doing talk programming that reflected it's community it surely wouldn't be primarily syndicated wingnut fare. It's easy to blame local PD's, but they're not the problem. Do you honestly think the program director at WRKO makes the decision on whether to run Rush Limbaugh or not? Or to sign Howie Carr for that matter? Look at the mega-million dollar deals Rush and Hannity just got. For Citadel and Clear Channel owned Premiere to make those numbers, they need clearances. That means programming mandates. Those two companies own a ton of stations in major and medium markets. Those are decisions made well above the local level. Look at WABC/NY. They run Imus, Rush and Hannity. If the PD there all of a sudden wanted to "go local" he'd be in the unemployment line. Like it or not, the big corporations do have agendas. Not political ones, but economic ones. In any instance, the agenda does not include serving the public interest or the local community. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > David Tomm wrote: >> The industry needs to make the move back toward the center on it's >> own. Most importantly, it has to return to local hosts and >> issues. All points of view need to be heard, including moderates, >> liberals and even (gasp!) minorities. > Although I can't fully embrace your premise re: the Fairness > Doctrine, I do embrace the notion that the industry needs to do > whatever it needs to do with minimal governmental interference. If > you are get a chance to visit Vermont, tune in WDEV (550//96.1//& > translators). They have a decent blend of local talk, primarily > liberal, even in the non-talk jock banter from time to time. That > works well with the landscape, demo, and a good deal of the state's > liberal pods (Montpelier, Burlington). The very fact that Boston, > host to such a liberal gene pool, isn't blasting that perspective > throughout the Hub has more to do with the quality of the talker. > Opinionated person first and Talker second fails every time. > Broadcast professional talker first and opinionated person second > builds slowly but far more deeply. Blame the the decision makers > with hiring authority in the local markets and then pass the blame > on up to the "big nasty corporations with a big agenda." Verdict: > Local programming bosses suck. And in the stylings of Steve > Sweeney in the stylings of former Boston Mayor Kevin White, "I'm > not bittah! I am nWot bittah!" > From map@mapinternet.com Mon Jul 21 13:16:46 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:16:46 -0400 Subject: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. References: Message-ID: <00bc01c8eb55$8e5fa700$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Not to diminish the others before him in the same slot on WBZ, but Dan Rea does an excellent show. I can listen to him every night and it's not stale or repetitive, but intelligent and gets various points of view out. Howie's OK, but somewhat repetitive. And, although most us like to hear him bring to light the illegal activities of some of our local and regional criminals, he often skewers groups and folks just for the sake of "entertainment" when there is no real issue. Besides Dan, the other real quality talk show host that comes to mind right now is Clark Howard. He's on weekdays on WTIC AM at 7pm if there is no game, (and he's on line live 1-4pm-WSB Atlanta) but I'm not sure if he is on anywhere in the Boston area. Mark Casey, K1MAP Hampden, Mass From atolz@comcast.net Mon Jul 21 13:19:37 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:19:37 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> Message-ID: <000301c8eb55$f4e97ff0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> David writes, "Most of these talkers from the "glory days" of WRKO plied their craft before the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine. The hosts had a variety of opinions on the issues of the day--some more progressive, others more conservative. They really reflected the views of most mainstream listeners, and all viewpoints were at least tolerated most of the time." IMO, I don't think the Fairness Doctrine has nearly as much to do with the current sad state of talk radio as does the un-localizing effect of syndication (regardless of whether it's more due to the available technology or the economics of a consolidated radio landscape) and the over-consulting of the format which reduced the role of the caller to a one-minute entity, the topics to dumbed-down "for it or agin it stuff", and the role of guests to what callers used to be...informative sidebars to the host. Whether it was the busing crisis of the mid '70s, a fight to keep New Braintree from absorbing a maximum security prison in the mid '80s or Mass. legislator pay raises and local tax questions over the years, the days of talk radio as an instrument of local importance and political action is over. And it's a chame because in the world of blogging and such, there's no one "moderator" that makes a connection with everyone and anyone willing to listen and learn about something. David also writes, "As a result, talk radio today appeals primarily to older white males which is (surprise!) the strongest demographic of the Republican Party. In an industry which is constantly looking for younger and increasingly more diverse demographics, talk radio has become a dinosaur." Talk radio's primary demo was "55 to petrified" since FM tuners became universally available. When the consultants cobbled together the formula of what they thought would work with younger demos, their answer was make the topics more "USA Today" and less "New York Times". Don't get into things in-depth. Think back to the early 1990's...did you hear ANYBODY talking in-depth about the savings and loan crisis? Do you think ANY mainstream talker will address the current financial/real estate meltdown in detail, other than perhaps specialty weekend shows? The only folks who have some of the elements of real talk still in place are at NPR. This goes to David's point of the economics of only being abel to afford one local host at a station like RKO. Maybe I'll procure the tapes of the great talk hosts of the 60's, 70's and 80's and stream them as a Classic Talk Station". I bet it would be quite informative and entertaining...some ot it quite prophetic too. :-) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Alan Tolz" ; "Dave in Boston" ; Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame > Most of these talkers from the "glory days" of WRKO plied their craft > before the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine. The hosts had a variety > of opinions on the issues of the day--some more progressive, others more > conservative. They really reflected the views of most mainstream > listeners, and all viewpoints were at least tolerated most of the time. > > Since the Fairness Doctrine was abolished and the subsequent rise of Rush > Limbaugh, talk radio has morphed into a bastion of hard right, > neo-conservative "thought" with no room for differing opinions or > respectful debate. If a moderate or liberal caller makes it to the air > and makes a fair or interesting point, they are shouted down, ridiculed > or both. All the hosts in talk radio today are pretty much Rush clones, > which is why there are few "stars" in the genre besides Rush himself. > Oh, and before you say Sean Hannity, can someone tell me which station in > Boston airs his program? If you like RNC talking points parroted to you > and cheap namecalling of political opponents, then today's talk radio is > for you. For the rest of us, not so much. > > As a result, talk radio today appeals primarily to older white males > which is (surprise!) the strongest demographic of the Republican Party. > In an industry which is constantly looking for younger and increasingly > more diverse demographics, talk radio has become a dinosaur. Because of > talk radio's anemic billing, most stations can't afford to have more than > one local host, if any at all. Syndicated offerings are limited--they > all sound the same. Same viewpoints and prejudices from host to host. > Predictable. Yawn. > > Despite having Howie, Rush and the Red Sox, WRKO's billings lag far > behind their 55+ padded ratings. They have one of the worst power ratios > in the market. If 680 wasn't sister stations with wildly successful > WEEI, and low overhead WMKK, which outbills WRKO despite having no > airstaff and a minimal marketing budget, they'd be all- brokered or > all-Spanish by now. > > At this point in the game I don't think bringing back the Fairness > Doctrine would help the demographically challenged talk radio genre. > The industry needs to make the move back toward the center on it's own. > Most importantly, it has to return to local hosts and issues. All points > of view need to be heard, including moderates, liberals and even (gasp!) > minorities. If that happens, it can return to the "glory days" of the > 80's. The next generation of talk radio will not appeal to current > listeners of the right wing noise machine, but that's precisely the > point. It needs to get younger, more tolerant and most importantly, more > local. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >> Alan Tolz wrote: >>> While that would be an all-star lineup, I don't think they were ever >>> all on RKO at the same time. I think David left before Gene Burns came >>> in. Jerry and David were back to back in late 1981 through 1982-83, >> >> >> >> That may be the case in terms of timeline, but what remains is the fact >> that what we no longer have is "Boston talk radio" that we can be proud >> of anymore. Not to disparage all of the talent who are there and doing >> their best, however, there were talkers who truly broke ground both for >> radio and for Boston in that process. Am I wrong? >> > From MauOB@aol.com Mon Jul 21 13:22:00 2008 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:22:00 EDT Subject: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. Message-ID: Clark Howard is nationally syndicated and has been on for many years. He repeats topics very, very often. Also, his show is a speciality talk show ... consumer info, not a true talk show focused on issues or general discussions. Maureen in FL In a message dated 7/21/2008 10:18:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, map@mapinternet.com writes: Besides Dan, the other real quality talk show host that comes to mind right now is Clark Howard. He's on weekdays on WTIC AM at 7pm if there is no game, (and he's on line live 1-4pm-WSB Atlanta) but I'm not sure if he is on anywhere in the Boston area. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 13:27:06 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:27:06 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4884C6EA.80200@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > There's a reason that conservatives get their tighty-whities all in a > bunch when the subject of restoring the Fairness Doctrine comes up. I would suggest that it is that very down-the-nose-perspective on alternate views that kills liberal talk every time. At least there's consistency in the remark. > > It's easy to blame local PD's, but they're not the problem. Do you > honestly think the program director at WRKO makes the decision on > whether to run Rush Limbaugh or not? Let's talk morning drive, let's consider liberal figures with decent talker skills for the evening hours. Those who could be driving these points along with fifty thousand watts of power could display a genuine fervor for what the market needs in terms of a dialog. > Or to sign Howie Carr for that matter? Look at the mega-million > dollar deals Rush and Hannity just got. For Citadel and Clear Channel > owned Premiere to make those numbers, they need clearances. That > means programming mandates. Those two companies own a ton of stations > in major and medium markets. Those are decisions made well above the > local level. So let's get this right, the mega-million dollar corporations will be forced to select hosts based upon the hosts' viewpoints versus the viewpoints of the people, the customers who choose to positively respond to the host and go out and buy the soap the broadcasters advertise? Wake me when it 's over. Bill O'Neill / / From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 13:29:33 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:29:33 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: > The right wing dominance of talk radio began with it's abolition... Again, let's talk facts. When did the Fairness Doctrine get eliminated? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 21 13:51:11 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:51:11 -0400 Subject: UNS: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8eb55$8e5fa700$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <00bc01c8eb55$8e5fa700$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <18564.52367.457509.115178@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Not to diminish the others before him in the same slot on WBZ, but Dan Rea > does an excellent show. I can listen to him every night and it's not stale > or repetitive, but intelligent and gets various points of view out. I've never found Rea's show to be particularly interesting; when I listen to the 7:55 tease it's rarely something I want to hear any more blather about. And his producer seems to choose the most idiotic sound-bites available when putting the promos together, which honestly does not motivate me to listen. (When Sully was still among the living, I noticed the same thing with his promos. Brudnoy's promos, in my memory at least, did not make him sound like a narrow-minded twit.) I used to like John Keller, but the last few times I've heard his AM drive segment, he has just seethed with contempt for anything and anyone involved with the government. Not very entertaining to me. I don't live in a black-and-white world, thank Ghu. (Keller often gets his "facts" wrong as well.) I like Steve LeVeille, but his show is much lighter in tone and has a very different sort of audience; he would have to do a very different sort of show in any other time slot and I'm not sure how well he'd actually do. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Jul 21 13:51:40 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:51:40 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809880DBD6A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>When did the Fairness Doctrine get eliminated?<< The Supreme Court, in a 1984 decision (FCC vs. League of Women Voters, 468 US 364), ruled that the scarcity reasoning for such a law was no longer applicable and therefore the Doctrine served to limit public debate. Repeal of portions of the Doctrine began in 1985 under FCC chairman Mark Fowler, who claimed that the Doctrine was contrary to the public interest and violated the First Amendment. The final repeal occurred in August 1987. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jul 21 13:53:58 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:53:58 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <762E958F-6034-42BB-A425-78C7F9158BD2@charter.net> 1987. Rush Limbaugh came to prominence soon after that. Coincidence? I think not. David Brock wrote a book on the subject in 2004. An excerpt can be found here... http://skeptically.org/gov/id14.html On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Don A wrote: > >> The right wing dominance of talk radio began with it's abolition... > > > Again, let's talk facts. > > When did the Fairness Doctrine get eliminated? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:00:39 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:00:39 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <4884C6EA.80200@gmail.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1> <5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com> <48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net> <4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> <4884C6EA.80200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0807211100x71e42769g406f07f331053180@mail.gmail.com> >>So let's get this right, the mega-million dollar corporations will be forced to select hosts based upon the hosts' viewpoints versus the viewpoints of the people, the customers who choose to positively respond to the host and go out and buy the soap the broadcasters advertise? Yes--let's have the government gut freedom of speech/freedom of the press by having their own watchdogs regulate what is said. I guess this would be OK if it spreads to newspapers and TV in every facet. I just read that the New York Times published an op-ed by Obama but refuses to do the same for McCain. How about the government forcing them to allow McCain's op ed to be published? That's fair. I looked through an issue of Rolling Stone and saw very anti-conservative viewpoints expressed. I demand that conservative and Christian viewpoints be published in Rolling Stone. That's fair. Keith Olbermann needs to have Ann Coulter as a co-host. That's fair. Every Michael Moore movie needs to have every point he makes be rebutted by Dick Morris or Rush Limbaugh. That's fair. Fairness Doctrine: We're From The Government And We're Here To Help You! _OR ELSE_... From MauOB@aol.com Mon Jul 21 14:09:51 2008 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:09:51 EDT Subject: UNS: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. Message-ID: Totally agree with you about Rea. Seems like a decent guy and he is trying. He is just a little too bland for my taste. Sully had a great sense of humor that lightened up even the dullest of topics. Maureen In a message dated 7/21/2008 10:53:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: I've never found Rea's show to be particularly interesting; when I listen to the 7:55 tease it's rarely something I want to hear any more blather about. And his producer seems to choose the most idiotic sound-bites available when putting the promos together, which honestly does not motivate me to listen. (When Sully was still among the living, I noticed the same thing with his promos. Brudnoy's promos, in my memory at least, did not make him sound like a narrow-minded twit.) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 14:15:08 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:15:08 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> <762E958F-6034-42BB-A425-78C7F9158BD2@charter.net> Message-ID: > 1987. Rush Limbaugh came to prominence soon after that. Coincidence? I > think not. I seem to recall LOTS of conservative hosts prior to 1987. Boston had Janet Jaghelian, Gene Burns, Gerry Williams, Brudnoy, Finnegan, Meade, Whitley, Avi, Hubert Jessup, etc., etc. I think what changed in the time you are referring was the "tone" of the shows...not the number of conservative hosts. I think the coarser tone of the shows (not the politcal ideology) seem to reflect what was going on with the tone of dialogue everywhere in the world. There was also an increase in quality(?) syndicated products becomeing more and more available in the 80's, and less resistance from program directors to run syndicated fare. I don't think the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine is to blame/credit. Gerry Willaims, one of the most bombastic hosts in Boston, had no problem operating within the confines of the Fairness Doctrine and shouting his own opinions for much of his career. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:27:24 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:27:24 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> <762E958F-6034-42BB-A425-78C7F9158BD2@charter.net> Message-ID: <4884D50C.5020000@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > Gerry Willaims, one of the most bombastic hosts in Boston, had no > problem operating within the confines of the Fairness Doctrine and > shouting his own opinions for much of his career. A decent host, regardless of political stance, could bite the bullet, salute Uncle Charlie with a solid heel-click, and bring on an opposing viewpoint and still proceed to punt its arse up between the uprights (okay, radials) and make for great radio, nonetheless. It just seems like such a waste of good football metaphors all for just for the game of faking even-footing of opinions and free enterprise. The other option is the brilliant method C-Span uses of a pro and con dial in line. You alternate both lines - even if one of them is queued from Quincy to the Cape and the other is like a drive-through at Wendy's. Bill (you 'vill listen) O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 21 15:17:28 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:17:28 -0400 Subject: Supreme Court Rescinds Janet Jackson Fines Message-ID: <007101c8eb66$6a88a230$6400a8c0@lysthia> According to the NYT, the US Supreme Court has rescinded the fines levied against CBS for Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. Based on that decision I'll be doing my radio show this Sunday night topless. Brian Vita No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 7/19/2008 2:01 PM From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jul 21 14:53:55 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:53:55 -0500 Subject: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. Message-ID: <20080721185355.9EF4D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Casey" >To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Talk shows: Dan Rea etc. >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:16:46 -0400 >Not to diminish the others before him in the same slot on WBZ, but Dan Rea >does an excellent show. I can listen to him every night and it's not stale >or repetitive, but intelligent and gets various points of view out. >Howie's OK, but somewhat repetitive. And, although most us like to hear him >bring to light the illegal activities of some of our local and regional >criminals, he often skewers groups and folks just for the sake of >"entertainment" when there is no real issue. >Besides Dan, the other real quality talk show host that comes to mind right >now is Clark Howard. He's on weekdays on WTIC AM at 7pm if there is no game, >(and he's on line live 1-4pm-WSB Atlanta) but I'm not sure if he is on >anywhere in the Boston area. >Mark Casey, K1MAP >Hampden, Mass People seem to be overlooking the talk show host and the talk show that actually DOES appeal to the "best and brightest": Tom Ashbrook and "On Point" on WBUR. OK, it's a locally-produced show for national distribution, Today's (07/21) second hour was a riveting discussion of science and public policy that covered a multitude of issues from the energy in a given quantity of gasoline (the fuel in the tanks in the two planes that crashed into the WTC towers had the same explosive power as the atomic bomb tested by North Korea) to the effect water vapor contributes to the phenomenon of climate change. One of the callers gave hints of being on-the-fringe, but Mr. Ashbrook remained respectful of his callers throughout the hour. (Since I didn't call, there were no really manic listeners calling in.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 15:27:37 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:27:37 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr elected to Radio Hall of Fame References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080718130654.067919b8@10.0.0.1><5.1.1.6.0.20080719085634.06781d08@10.0.0.1> <000b01c8eabb$68d1e830$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><4883C3EE.5070809@gmail.com><48E5C926-4A3F-4E49-AC71-D22E310B0403@charter.net><4884B783.4080807@gmail.com> <762E958F-6034-42BB-A425-78C7F9158BD2@charter.net> Message-ID: > David Brock wrote a book on the subject in 2004. An excerpt can be > found here... > > http://skeptically.org/gov/id14.html David Brock (aka Media Matters) is hardly a simple dispassionate observer: "Brock's donors read like a Who's Who of those who have financed the new, activist Left." "Indeed, it is probably more accurate to view Media Matters as part of the constellation of groups - the so-called "527" organizations, the voter-turnout group America Coming Together, John Podesta's liberal think tank the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, liberal talk radio, and others - that have come together on the left in the last year or so, all aimed at electing a Democratic president this November." From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 21 16:37:37 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:37:37 -0500 Subject: Supreme Court Rescinds Janet Jackson Fines In-Reply-To: <007101c8eb66$6a88a230$6400a8c0@lysthia> References: <007101c8eb66$6a88a230$6400a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <4884AD41.16773.7BD470@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Jul 2008 Brian Vita wrote: > According to the NYT, the US Supreme Court has rescinded the fines > levied against CBS for Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. Based on > that decision I'll be doing my radio show this Sunday night topless. It was the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, not the Supreme Court. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 21 15:56:44 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:56:44 -0400 Subject: Supreme Court Rescinds Janet Jackson Fines Message-ID: <380-220087121195644609@ix.netcom.com> gee, maybe they realized it was simply "entertainment" Brian, unless you have a way to stream video in your show, the "topless" effect would be lost. still, an interesting concept. and, if your studio is not well a/c'd, you could be cooler. seriously, a good joke. Bob > [Original Message] > From: Brian Vita > To: > Date: 7/21/2008 3:27:19 PM > Subject: Supreme Court Rescinds Janet Jackson Fines > > According to the NYT, the US Supreme Court has rescinded the fines levied > against CBS for Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. Based on that > decision I'll be doing my radio show this Sunday night topless. > > Brian Vita From cloutier@piesky.com Mon Jul 21 16:41:45 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> Talk radio being conservative is more of a reaction than anything else. The most disenfranchised group in America today is probably the white male over 45. They produce and have produced most of the wealth and industry in the country today, and at the same time are taxed the most, and are under constant attack from all manner of sources. There is already plenty of left wing and left of center stuff on the air - NPR (very left most of the time), the major network news (left left left), and most newspapers. So, what was left? Talk radio. The freest form of radio remaining. Another topic: opposing views shouted down? cut off? I don't think so. Not that I listen to Rush a lot, but I have heard him time and time again let people with opposing views on (and first), and engage in a real debate. Never have I heard Rush shout someone down or cut them off. I have heard him blow holes in the arguments. Not that I think Rush is always right (correct) - hardly. I don't find too many liberals able to hold up their end of liberal positions like graduated tax rates (non-flat taxes), set-asides, the 40-B law (so-called "affordable housing) and a host of other issues. They end up name calling, snobbizing (you're not "enlightened" and I am) or resort to other personal attacks. Usually, because the issues cannot be honestly defended. Regards, Steve From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 21 17:20:25 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:20:25 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:41 PM 7/21/2008, Steve Cloutier wrote: >There is already plenty of left wing and left of center stuff on the >air - NPR (very left most of the time), the major network news (left >left left), and most newspapers. Say what? Okay fine, let's not permit this to deteriorate into a political discussion, which always ends badly, but Steve, survey after survey shows it is a MYTH (and a right-wing talking point) that the media are liberal. The media are corporate, and they follow whatever stories they think will make them some money. Can you blame them for that? Yes, there are some left-leaning publications, but to say the entire media-- including newspapers-- is liberal is not factual. Believe what you will, but when 95% of all talk shows are conservative/Republican, and most editorial pages of newspapers have an equal number of conservative and liberal opinion columnists, I fail to see your point. (Oh and more than 40% of NPR listeners are identifiably Republican, btw.) From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 21 17:43:59 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:43:59 -0400 Subject: WWZN Going Christian? Message-ID: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> In today's Herald, I saw an article about Pastor Bruce Wall going to do a radio show on WWZN, and in the article, it mentioned that WWZN was setting aside a large block of time (30 hours, as I recall) for Christian programming. Umm, don't we already have a lot of Christian programming in this market? (And don't take that as an insult to somebody's religion-- if the station were gonna be the 5th top 40 station, I'd be asking the same question-- does the market need another station doing X when we already have plenty of stations in that format.) From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 21 18:26:37 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:37 -0400 Subject: WWZN Going Christian? In-Reply-To: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <18565.3357.906818.615343@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In today's Herald, I saw an article about Pastor Bruce Wall going to > do a radio show on WWZN, and in the article, it mentioned that WWZN > was setting aside a large block of time (30 hours, as I recall) for > Christian programming. Umm, don't we already have a lot of Christian > programming in this market? That's not clear. Two things to keep in mind: (1) There's a lot more non-English-language religion, taken as a whole, on the air than there is English-language religion, on signals which are actually audible in Boston. (So I'm not counting things like WFGL/WJWT, WKMY, and WSMA, all of which are in the market but not audible in the city.) English-language religion is pretty much the exclusive domain of Salem's 590 (full-time) and 950 (part-time). (2) There are a *lot* of different varieties of "Christian", and many of them don't see eye to eye on fairly fundamental matters. Their styles of preaching, and their notions of what a church is supposed to do for its members are very different. There are probably more disagreements on theological matters (even among nominal Protestants for whom /sola scriptura/ is a fundamental principle) as there are among the branches of your faith, Donna. -GAWollman From paul@derrynh.net Mon Jul 21 19:12:53 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:12:53 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8eb87$4df540d0$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> I think everyone would have to agree that their own biases color how they perceive the media as a whole. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:20 PM To: Steve Cloutier; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,etc. etc. etc) At 04:41 PM 7/21/2008, Steve Cloutier wrote: >There is already plenty of left wing and left of center stuff on the >air - NPR (very left most of the time), the major network news (left >left left), and most newspapers. Say what? Okay fine, let's not permit this to deteriorate into a political discussion, which always ends badly, but Steve, survey after survey shows it is a MYTH (and a right-wing talking point) that the media are liberal. The media are corporate, and they follow whatever stories they think will make them some money. Can you blame them for that? Yes, there are some left-leaning publications, but to say the entire media-- including newspapers-- is liberal is not factual. Believe what you will, but when 95% of all talk shows are conservative/Republican, and most editorial pages of newspapers have an equal number of conservative and liberal opinion columnists, I fail to see your point. (Oh and more than 40% of NPR listeners are identifiably Republican, btw.) From paul@derrynh.net Mon Jul 21 19:15:59 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:15:59 -0400 Subject: WWZN Going Christian? In-Reply-To: <18565.3357.906818.615343@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.3357.906818.615343@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002b01c8eb87$bd108d30$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Actually, in a market like Boston, I'm surprised there isn't a full time Catholic signal in the market. Some of the so-called "Christian" operations are quite anti-Catholic if you listen between the lines. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:27 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: WWZN Going Christian? < said: > In today's Herald, I saw an article about Pastor Bruce Wall going to > do a radio show on WWZN, and in the article, it mentioned that WWZN > was setting aside a large block of time (30 hours, as I recall) for > Christian programming. Umm, don't we already have a lot of Christian > programming in this market? That's not clear. Two things to keep in mind: (1) There's a lot more non-English-language religion, taken as a whole, on the air than there is English-language religion, on signals which are actually audible in Boston. (So I'm not counting things like WFGL/WJWT, WKMY, and WSMA, all of which are in the market but not audible in the city.) English-language religion is pretty much the exclusive domain of Salem's 590 (full-time) and 950 (part-time). (2) There are a *lot* of different varieties of "Christian", and many of them don't see eye to eye on fairly fundamental matters. Their styles of preaching, and their notions of what a church is supposed to do for its members are very different. There are probably more disagreements on theological matters (even among nominal Protestants for whom /sola scriptura/ is a fundamental principle) as there are among the branches of your faith, Donna. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 19:13:37 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:13:37 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc)] Message-ID: <48851821.3040500@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > The media are corporate, and they follow whatever stories they think > will make them some money. If that is true, and it does seem to flow easily through my keyclicks, too, doesn't that work both ways? Could you suggest data that we could study in this regard? I'm not at all doubting your hypothesis; I'd just like to view the baseline data and examine the data sources. > (Oh and more than 40% of NPR listeners are identifiably Republican, > btw.) If I've learned anything over the past 18 months or so (whenever this crazy presidential election season hatched) it's that political party titles are about as reliable as the words, "Assembled in America." When the GOP puts up the one candidate, McCain, who is keeping the far right radio talkers up all night in the fetal position with their thumbs in their mouths, then liberals' concerns pale in comparison. Unless, of course, you factor those lights burning late into the night at the Romney offices. Bill O'Neill From billonotes@gmail.com Mon Jul 21 19:11:38 2008 From: billonotes@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:11:38 -0400 Subject: WWZN Going Christian? In-Reply-To: <002b01c8eb87$bd108d30$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.3357.906818.615343@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <002b01c8eb87$bd108d30$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <488517AA.4000601@gmail.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Actually, in a market like Boston, I'm surprised there isn't a full time > Catholic signal in the market. Some of the so-called "Christian" operations > are quite anti-Catholic if you listen between the lines. > > I know that Sirius has The Catholic Channel and EWTN Radio (talk) and also Family Net Radio (more of a conservative Christian perspective) with two music channels (Spirit and Praise). When the Pope came to the US the Catholic Channel had wall to wall coverage, as would be expected. No way to know how the stations do with numbers and how they could be extrapolated for a major market study. Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 21 21:49:04 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:49:04 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,) In-Reply-To: <48851567.7070305@gmail.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <48851567.7070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080722014815.B2B9A1B40A1@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 07:01 PM 7/21/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Could you suggest data that we could study in this regard? I'm not at >all doubting your hypothesis; I'd just like to view the baseline data >and examine the data sources. I've seen a multitude of studies, many from the non-partisan Project for Excellence in Journalism, at least that was in the journal Public Opinion Quarterly. Let me see if I can find the file I have on perceived media bias. Suffice it to say that since the 1950s, there has been a mantra from the right wing that the media are liberal-- that's kind of odd, given that the 50s was a time when American life was dominated by McCarthyism, blacklists, red-baiting, etc, and contrary to McCarthy's assertions, the media were in no way liberal. Even respected conservatives like John Dean and Kevin Phillips would later write that it became a useful political strategy for conservatives to complain about the "liberal media" any time one of their issues wasn't covered in the way they wanted. >Bill also wrote-- >If I've learned anything over the past 18 months or so (whenever this >crazy presidential election season hatched) it's that political party >titles are about as reliable as the words, "Assembled in America." Well in this case, the research was partly done in NPR-run focus groups, which we could ignore as "partisan" -- but the rest of the research came from Arbitron. It was shared with me for an article I wrote last year for Radio World. The research was on-line at one point last year, so again, not trying to avoid the question, but let me see if I can find the file. As for the statement about newspapers being mostly liberal, the reputable journal of that industry, Editor & Publisher, would disagree. (I'm putting the finishing touches on my 4th book, so I am up to my ears in about 250 pages of material about talk shows and talk show hosts. I just need to locate that particular file in the midst of all these other files... ;-)) >Bill wrote-- >When the GOP puts up the one candidate, McCain, who is keeping the far >right radio talkers up all night in the fetal position with their >thumbs in their mouths, then liberals' concerns pale in comparison. Umm, I wasn't expressing any concerns. I was just saying that while I am liberal to moderate on many issues, and conservative on a few, it IS a fact that the right totally dominates talk radio, and has for years. Numerous articles about this have appeared in Talkers magazine. I think the media have been quite gentle on McCain till recently because they like him, they really like him. Most of the media venom seemed directed at Hillary Clinton for months. But let's be fair here-- if the media seem gentle on Obama right now, they certainly weren't during the Rev. Wright story. Again, the media are driven by scandal, sensationalism, and stories they think will get ratings. They also love a horse race, which is why the Hillary vs Obama fight got so much air-time. I promise that when McCain names his VP choice, the media will stop what they are doing and give it plenty of coverage. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 21 23:31:27 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:31:27 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <48851C4F.4118.50DC9F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Jul 2008 at 16:41, Steve Cloutier wrote: > The most disenfranchised group in America today is probably the white > male over 45. They produce and have produced most of the wealth and > industry in the country today, and at the same time are taxed the > most, and are under constant attack from all manner of sources. Since when are white males over 45 necessarily conservitive? I'm a white male over 45, and I've gotten more and more liberal as I've gotten older. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 21 23:31:27 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:31:27 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,) In-Reply-To: <20080722014815.B2B9A1B40A1@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <48851567.7070305@gmail.com>, <20080722014815.B2B9A1B40A1@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <48851C4F.8345.50DD4B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Jul 2008 at 21:49, Donna Halper wrote: > Suffice it to say that since the 1950s, there > has been a mantra from the right wing that the media are liberal-- > that's kind of odd, given that the 50s was a time when American life > was dominated by McCarthyism, blacklists, red-baiting, etc, and > contrary to McCarthy's assertions, the media were in no way liberal. And in 1960, most newspapers endorsed Nixon over Kennedy. Kennedy even joked about it later. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 01:25:50 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:25:50 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: > ...survey > after survey shows it is a MYTH (and a right-wing talking point) that the > media are liberal. The media are corporate, and they follow whatever > stories they think will make them some money. Can you blame them for > that? Yes, there are some left-leaning publications, but to say the > entire media-- including newspapers-- is liberal is not factual. I think it depend on how you go about classifying the media/newspapers Left or Right. Who's asking the question and how it's asked often leads the answer. But, forget classifying "the media"...it HAS been my experience that most of the reporters I have met have had a personal liberal bent. > and most editorial pages of newspapers have an equal number of > conservative and liberal opinion columnists Do you think the Globe has an equal number of conservative and liberal columnists? > (Oh and more than 40% of NPR listeners are identifiably Republican, btw.) Please quote the cource for this. I don't believe it. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 01:26:39 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:26:39 -0400 Subject: WWZN Going Christian? References: <20080721214309.7870D44C0A7@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <824502D746ED4E29B46BFF2B2CBAD2CC@MainXPPro> > In today's Herald, I saw an article about Pastor Bruce Wall going to > do a radio show on WWZN, and in the article, it mentioned that WWZN > was setting aside a large block of time (30 hours, as I recall) for > Christian programming. Umm, don't we already have a lot of Christian > programming in this market? "The market" will decide! From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 22 02:04:04 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:04:04 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But, forget classifying "the media"...it HAS been my experience that most of > the reporters I have met have had a personal liberal bent. However, if they're any good at all, they can tell the difference between their empirical fact and their personal opinion. One of them is, after all, verifiable by the desk. Some industry observers have noted that, with the cutbacks in many news organizations (print especially), many stories do not get the sort of editorial scrutiny they either used or ought to. It's far easier to fire half the copydesk than it is to let go of an expensive big-name columnist. -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 11:47:54 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:47:54 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> > < > said: > >> But, forget classifying "the media"...it HAS been my experience that most >> of >> the reporters I have met have had a personal liberal bent. > > However, if they're any good at all, they can tell the difference > between their empirical fact and their personal opinion. Are you assuming that most journalists are good? There is a lot of gray area between empiricle fact and their personal opinion. I love the "thank god we're a 2 nespaper town" feature in Boston Magazine. Recently I saw this headline: Globe: "Teachers test scores are still low." Herald: "Teachers test scores see some improvement." Same story, same facts, same test score. What's the difference? The perspective of the writer. Another example is when they cover a protest by a Pro-Life group (Mass Citizens for life, who want to stop abortion, death penaly, euthanasia)....they are often referred to as "anti-abortion". The facts can be presented in many ways. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 12:47:39 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <485619.97520.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Tue, 7/22/08, Don A wrote: > Recently I saw this headline: > > Globe: "Teachers test scores are still low." > > Herald: "Teachers test scores see some > improvement." > > Same story, same facts, same test score. What's the > difference? The > perspective of the writer. Not necessarily. The perspective of the copy desk -- they're the ones who write the headlines -- also matters. See the varying headlines papers slap on the same Associated Press story for an example. As Garrett said, desks are nearly non-existent at some papers and thin as anything at bigger papers such as the Globe, basically just there to make sure the paper doesn't get sued and get rid of egregious spelling mistakes -- and put together the paper. Hence some stories are not getting the thorough reads that they should. When The Wall Street Journal announced cutbacks last week, guess who was targeted? Copy editors -- they want to get rid of 50 of 'em. (Yes, I'm a newspaper copy editor, so I am not neutral on this topic.) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jul 22 18:15:45 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:15:45 -0400 Subject: Side Effect Of Consolidation? Message-ID: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> We've all witnessed the discussions of alleged "sameness" pervading playlists and formats from market to market. Some stations even have their air staff track shows for stations in other markets. Today, I heard a commercial for a new product on BZ that copies (almost word for word) an existing commercial for an entirely different product. The spot was for Pro-Active (sp) Acne Medication. It features a person calling the company asking about their "free offer" and asking "so, what's the catch?" The operator says "There Is No Catch" and goes on to say that they're "so confident you'll be satisfied that their offering it free" Immediately followed by "Oh, there IS one thing..." to which the caller says "Ah Ha , I knew there was a catch" and so on... This exact same script has been used for the past few months by Rosetta Stone Language Learning CDs. Has radio become so homogenized and lacking in originality that a good commercial script is now being recycled over and over? Just unplug product A & its features and plug in Product B and its features? Nobody will ever notice. . From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 22 18:28:22 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:28:22 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18566.24326.830857.546167@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Are you assuming that most journalists are good? I'm assuming that they aspire to it. > There is a lot of gray area between empiricle fact and their personal > opinion. The job of editors, to the extent we still have any, is to keep their reporters out of the grey areas. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Jul 22 19:19:41 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:19:41 -0400 Subject: Side Effect Of Consolidation? In-Reply-To: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> References: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <48866B0D.7040108@gabrielmass.com> On 07/22/2008 06:15 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Today, I heard a commercial for a new product on BZ that copies (almost > word for word) an existing commercial for an entirely different product. > I don't think that bit of commercial shtick was invented for Rosetta Stone, but it must sound stupid that another product's recycling it again so soon. --RC From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jul 22 19:37:26 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:37:26 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Don A" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,etc. etc. etc) > However, if they're any good at all, they can tell the difference > between their empirical fact and their personal opinion. In 2005, the University of Connecticut's Department of Public Policy surveyed 300 journalists nationwide - 120 who worked in the television industry and 180 who worked at newspapers and asked for whom they voted in the 2004 presidential election. The results showed Democratic challenger John Kerry over incumbent Republican President George W. Bush by a wide margin, 52 percent to 19 percent (with 1 percent choosing far-left independent candidate Ralph Nader). From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 22 19:59:03 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:59:03 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 07:37 PM 7/22/2008, Dan Billings wrote: >In 2005, the University of Connecticut's Department of Public Policy >surveyed 300 journalists nationwide - 120 who worked in the >television industry and 180 who worked at newspapers and asked for >whom they voted in the 2004 presidential election. The results >showed Democratic challenger John Kerry over incumbent Republican >President George W. Bush by a wide margin, 52 percent to 19 percent >(with 1 percent choosing far-left independent candidate Ralph Nader). At the risk of beating a dead horse, a person's PERSONAL views are no guarantee of anything. Most reporters are Christian by birth, so by that logic, I guess they are only capable of covering politicians who were also born Christian? Or how about universities, which are supposedly (according to my friends on the right) hotbeds of liberalism and radicalism (as if those two things are related). Studies show that professors in some departments (sociology for example) tend to lean liberal, while in others (economics, for example) the professors lean conservative. SO WHAT? I may believe in X politically, but as a professional, my job is to be fair to both sides, whether I am in the classroom or whether I am writing an article. Lots of journalists were pro-Bush during the first year of the Iraq war and the allegedly lib-rull NY Times was among the most pro-Iraq War of all. Again, it's a pointless exercise to extrapolate a person's private views as being proof of how they will do their job. Reporters were absolutely buddy-buddy with McCain till recently, and believe me, he has even called the press his "base" because he is friends with so many of them. Conversely, the media hordes beat up on Al Gore relentlessly during the 2000 election, even putting quotes into his mouth that he never said (it's an urban legend that he claimed to invent the internet), and it was supposedly pro-Democratic reporters who beat up on him every chance they got. I think most reporters try to be fair, except on networks where the show is all-opinion (Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, etc). From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 22 20:19:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4886790B.8030108@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > Another example is when they cover a protest by a Pro-Life group (Mass > Citizens for life, who want to stop abortion, death penaly, > euthanasia)....they are often referred to as "anti-abortion". > > The facts can be presented in many ways. One of the few times I'd ever responded to a TV editorial was about 5 years ago with WPTZ TV (5, Burlington). The GM who does the editorials did put my rebuttal on, fair and square and without prejudice. Class act all around. Here was the deal (paraphrased): "Marchers in the parade are going to represent an open and affirming point of view about the (then proposed) civil union law. Those in protest will also be present, etc....." My view was that the wording reflected a bias such that those in favor of the civil union law were 'open and affirming' where those who may have objected were protesters, closed and non-affirming. I added that Vermont is notorious for refreshingly civil displays of opposing viewpoints and that the language in the story could even go so far as to incite. The station said it was grateful for my pointing that out and we all moved on. I think that we can pile-on (I know that I can) when it comes to the media but we as consumers of media share a responsibility too. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jul 22 20:38:30 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:38:30 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> <20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: If only it were so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Garrett Wollman" ; "Don A" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) I may believe in X politically, but as a professional, my job > is to be fair to both sides, From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 22 20:53:23 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:53:23 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> <20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <18566.33027.648396.488908@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Dan Billings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- Please don't top-post. It makes the thread of conversation nearly impossible to follow. Formatting recovered. Donna Halper wrote: >> I may believe in X politically, but as a professional, my job >> is to be fair to both sides, Dan Billings wrote: > If only it were so. You have some actual evidence here, Dan, or just innuendo? Do you know any actual journalists? -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 22 21:09:28 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:09:28 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC> <20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <20080723010842.46EE0225F7D@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 08:38 PM 7/22/2008, Dan Billings wrote: >If only it were so. Umm, since that was a comment in response to my saying that as a journalist, my job is to be fair to both sides, I certainly hope Dan isn't saying he has found me unfair. And as for my fellow journalists, there's good and bad in every occupation. Just sayin'. From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jul 22 21:39:24 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:39:24 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <18566.33027.648396.488908@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><2072403C3D974616B6750333634B14C8@DanBillingsPC><20080722235816.82E012414CB@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <18566.33027.648396.488908@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5E2D9AE6D7294AA5AC68CAC1B15D602A@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) > You have some actual evidence here, Dan, or just innuendo? Do you > know any actual journalists? Lots. In 1994, I managed a campaign for congress. The Bangor Daily News reporter who was assigned to my candidate was fair. She listened to what we had to say, but her articles did not read like our press releases. The "journalist" who covered our opponent wrote stories about the candidate that he was covering that could have been written by the campaign. After the election, he went to work for the candidate that he had covered. I was legal counsel for the Republican nominee for Governor in Maine in 2006. One "journalist" was brutal to the Republicans throughout the campaign. He is now the Governor's press secretary. From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Jul 22 21:57:31 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:57:31 -0400 Subject: Side Effect Of Consolidation? In-Reply-To: <48866B0D.7040108@gabrielmass.com> References: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> <48866B0D.7040108@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4886901c.0807c00a.41c0.6ace@mx.google.com> Richard Chonak wrote: >On 07/22/2008 06:15 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: >>Today, I heard a commercial for a new product on BZ that copies >>(almost word for word) an existing commercial for an entirely >>different product. > >I don't think that bit of commercial shtick was invented for Rosetta >Stone, but it must sound stupid that another product's recycling it >again so soon. I would have sounded even more stupid if the two spots had played back to back. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 22 22:17:45 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:17:45 -0400 Subject: Side Effect Of Consolidation? In-Reply-To: <4886901c.0807c00a.41c0.6ace@mx.google.com> References: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> <48866B0D.7040108@gabrielmass.com> <4886901c.0807c00a.41c0.6ace@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <488694C9.2090305@gmail.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I would have sounded even more stupid if the two spots had played back > to back. "Call now and you, too, can learn a second language and clear up that acne at the same time! Acn? del extremo! Now, Traffic on the Threes...." Bill O'Neill From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Jul 22 23:01:05 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:01:05 -0400 Subject: Side Effect Of Consolidation? In-Reply-To: <488694C9.2090305@gmail.com> References: <48865C11.7000505@ttlc.net> <48866B0D.7040108@gabrielmass.com> <4886901c.0807c00a.41c0.6ace@mx.google.com> <488694C9.2090305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48869EF1.2040409@gabrielmass.com> > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> I would have sounded even more stupid if the two spots had played back >> to back. On 07/22/2008 10:17 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > "Call now and you, too, can learn a second language and clear up that > acne at the same time! Acn? del extremo! Now, Traffic on the Threes...." > Sell them together and call the deal "Spanish for Lovers". --rc From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 23 00:57:27 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:57:27 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Jul 2008 at 11:47, Don A wrote: > Another example is when they cover a protest by a Pro-Life group (Mass > Citizens for life, who want to stop abortion, death penaly, > euthanasia)....they are often referred to as "anti-abortion". They should get it right, but in this case, this is probably because there are plenty of groups and individuals who call themselves "pro life," but. while anti-abortion, are in favor of the death penalty and the Iraq war. I would even venture to say that most people who call themselves "pro life" are not. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 01:47:31 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:47:31 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2B1EE79868454B1DAC5282226796760D@MainXPPro> > I would even venture to say that most people who > call themselves "pro life" are not. ....spoken by an unabashed self-professed liberal. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 01:51:37 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:51:37 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <18566.24326.830857.546167@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <870F04D767E441EEB63F816AA615C4B9@MainXPPro> >> Are you assuming that most journalists are good? > > I'm assuming that they aspire to it. I also assume that some aspire to it too...however, others are clueless. Reaching that goal is another thing.....and it's getting worse. >> There is a lot of gray area between empiricle fact and their personal >> opinion. > > The job of editors, to the extent we still have any, is to keep their > reporters out of the grey areas. In theory.....but with cutbacks there is more sloppy journalism in 2008 than ever before. There is a lot that passes for "journalism" these days...... The standard journalism ethos is more a memory than anything else. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 23 09:40:13 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:40:13 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Just as most people who call them selves "pro-Choice" are not... They're anti-choice on school funding options, they're anti-choice on open shop laws! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:57 AM To: Don A Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,etc. etc. etc) On 22 Jul 2008 at 11:47, Don A wrote: > Another example is when they cover a protest by a Pro-Life group (Mass > Citizens for life, who want to stop abortion, death penaly, > euthanasia)....they are often referred to as "anti-abortion". They should get it right, but in this case, this is probably because there are plenty of groups and individuals who call themselves "pro life," but. while anti-abortion, are in favor of the death penalty and the Iraq war. I would even venture to say that most people who call themselves "pro life" are not. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jul 23 10:21:28 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:21:28 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> <004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Just as most people who call them selves "pro-Choice" are not... > > They're anti-choice on school funding options, they're anti-choice on open > shop laws! > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > Just so that we keep this to radio, given this civil back-and-forth exchange on a meaty topic that may dig a bit into the political comfort zone, what type of radio talk show would we be _more_ likely to get this discourse - liberal or conservative, or both? Bill O'Neill From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 23 10:32:44 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:32:44 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc. etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><20080721211935.1160444C098@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><18565.30804.859504.820987@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <18566.24326.830857.546167@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003401c8ecd0$f93964e0$b99c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Don A Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,etc. etc. etc) > < said: > > > Are you assuming that most journalists are good? > > I'm assuming that they aspire to it. > > > There is a lot of gray area between empiricle fact and their personal > > opinion. > > The job of editors, to the extent we still have any, is to keep their > reporters out of the grey areas. > > -GAWollman > And to change "empiricle" to "empirical." Howard (another copy editor) From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Jul 23 11:11:35 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:11:35 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com><004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> Bill O asked - > Just so that we keep this to radio, given this civil back-and-forth > exchange on a meaty topic that may dig a bit into the political comfort > zone, what type of radio talk show would we be _more_ likely to get this > discourse - liberal or conservative, or both? a radio talk show devoted to TV Show Characters, of course. Mork or Mindy? He's an open-minded, bleeding-heart liberal alien while she is a bit more down to earth and on the conservative side. Sanford or Son? Crusty old curmudgeon takes on the newer, free-thinking generation. (same thing for the debate between Chico and The Man) Andy or Barney? Andy is prone to old-school thinking but with a touch of new-age justice, whilst Barney is just chomping at the bit to pull that slug out of his shirt pocket. Fred or Barney? Fred is a pretty much a staunch republican (lodge ruler, fine bowler) - what's in it for Fred? While Barney is always ready to take one for the team (more of a communist, actually). Laverne or Shirley? Actually - it's hard to tell seeing as the two oft times switch roles between playing it safe or going for the gusto. Charlie or Alan? a never-married lush jingle-writer who obviously made some serious cash in the republican-fueled decades of excess tries to open his heart and home to his divorced-single-dad-brother (and kid). While the single-dad brother Alan (and kid) present an obvious financial strain, Charlie manages to help carry their load, pay Berta and live extremely large while writing&recording nothing more than an horrendous kids' album (a touch of socialism, without doubt). Alan is just praying for a little democratic justice and the end to alimony woes. Pinky or The Brain? Pinky loves everyone and everything, an obvious democrat if ever there was. While Brain has his sights sets on "ruling the world." ('nuff said) then we can really M*A*S*H up the conversation when we get into the whole Hawkeye, Trapper, BJ and Charles discussion. Of course, Charles Emerson Winchester (3rd) is old school Boston blueblood, but the discourse would best be suited as to where we would find the suitable political leanings of the aforementioned other n'er'do-wells, not to mention the entire war or no-war scenario. --Chuck Igo (MaryAnn or Ginger? always my personal conundrum) note: no politicians were harmed during the typing of this message. made from 100% recycled tv formulaic materials. From sid@wrko.com Wed Jul 23 11:42:23 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:42:23 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com><004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>then we can really M*A*S*H up the conversation when we get into the whole Hawkeye, Trapper, BJ and Charles discussion. Of course, Charles Emerson Winchester (3rd) is old school Boston blueblood, but the discourse would best be suited as to where we would find the suitable political leanings of the aforementioned other n'er'do-wells, not to mention the entire war or no-war scenario.<< Let's not forget Frank Burns, whose character was written as a mockery of the rock-ribbed reactionary conservative, talking in circles and saying nothing (and let's remember that most conservatives are not like that). I mean, who could forget: "KLINGER! The next time I see you out of uniform...(sneer)...I'll PROMOTE you!" or "I'm sure you'll agree that by introducing more discipline, more order, I've hopefully made this a more enjoyable war for all of us." For me, the problem with most talk radio as it's practiced now is that talk hosts don't get ratings unless they're talking past the other side. Once or twice, however, you find a gem, like G. Gordon Liddy. Forgetting for a moment his, er, checkered past (and, for some, his politics), he is unfailingly polite to anyone he's talking to, whether it's a guest or a caller, and he makes his points persistently but gently. He at least gives the illusion of listening to whoever is talking, whether he is or not. I've never heard him scream at, or hang up on, a caller. I'm not a huge listener to talk radio, but he's easy to take. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 11:47:00 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com><004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036><48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <47D8EA25306043D189A6251258E4A3A9@MainXPPro> > Bill O asked - >> Just so that we keep this to radio, given this civil back-and-forth >> exchange on a meaty topic that may dig a bit into the political comfort >> zone, what type of radio talk show would we be _more_ likely to get this >> discourse - Just as an aside, I remember listening to Jim Westover when he had a woman on the line complaining that "all they ever did was talk about bad things on the radio".....and never have talk shows talk about "nice things". Jim Westover said "Well, what kind of "nice things" would you like us to talk about?" She responded: "Oh, I don't know....baskets and things?" I remember chuckling thinking of a talk show that talked about "baskets".... <> Whenever I've been in focus groups in the past and heard people mentione they want talk shows that talk about "nice things"...this comes to mind! From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 23 12:52:50 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:52:50 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmco rad.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1> <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com> <004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <20080723165204.9A35A1F1256@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Sid wrote-- > >For me, the problem with most talk radio as it's practiced now is >that talk hosts don't get ratings unless they're talking past the other side. Sid names G. Gordon Liddy as polite to callers; from the progressive side, I'd say the same about Thom Hartmann, who is both literate and courteous. But this brings up a historical point-- in the first heyday of talk radio, the late 1960s, stations had both righties and lefties on the air, and the public loved it. The folks who hated the rightie listened just to disagree with him, and the folks who hated the leftie did the same, but people listened to ALL the shows, according to Arbitron "time spent listening" numbers. These days, most stations are all right-wing talkers all the time (or a few are all left-wing talkers all the time), but the idea of letting both sides be heard rarely occurs. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 23 13:13:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:13:05 -0400 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1>, <6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro> <488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com><004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <48873E68.7010605@gmail.com> <000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <488766A1.4070204@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > For me, the problem with most talk radio as it's practiced now is > that talk hosts don't get ratings unless they're talking past the > other side. Once or twice, however, you find a gem, like G. Gordon > Liddy. Forgetting for a moment his, er, checkered past (and, for > some, his politics), he is unfailingly polite to anyone he's talking > to, whether it's a guest or a caller, and he makes his points > persistently but gently. He at least gives the illusion of listening > to whoever is talking, whether he is or not. I've never heard him > scream at, or hang up on, a caller. I'm not a huge listener to talk > radio, but he's easy to take. I had the interesting experience a couple of months ago of being a last-second guest on Liddy's show. One of his producers apparently reads NERW, and they called up one morning to see if I'd be willing to appear by phone for a few minutes to talk about the FCC's localism initiative; somehow, the topic of Minot, ND had come up, and they wanted someone to discuss it for a few minutes, which I was happy to do. I'm always happy to oblige, and so we chatted on air for a bit. Liddy was indeed very polite, though he sounded both tired and not especially well-briefed on the topic. (When he read off my bio at the end of the segment, it was verbatim from my Wikipedia entry, which was written in part by Our Moderator, Himself.) His questions were intelligent, though; I felt that I was able to convey what I wanted to get across without interruption or contradiction, and his producers asked if I'd be available in the future, and I said I would, but the phone hasn't rung since. I grabbed the audio off the webcast (my nearest Liddy affiliate is a graveyarder about 40 miles away, which is listenable, but just barely) and have it available if anyone's curious. s From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Jul 23 13:43:32 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:43:32 -0400 Subject: journalism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807231743.m6NHhgi8083742@tsornin.bostonradio.org> At 12:00 PM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >>Are you assuming that most journalists are good? > >I'm assuming that they aspire to it I am not sure who discovered water but I know it wasn't a fish. I think most jounalists have had careers where no one was a Republican, same as College faculty. Journalists in 1972 voted overwhelmingly for G McGovern. Lots of radio analysts are more populist than new republican. To me, a new republican is a cross between Reagan's goals and total subservience to corporate and wealthy interests, a bad marriage. Rush is a conservative, but he is never a populist, and rarely takes any point against corporations. BTW, this is one time when nutty Mike Savage is right. Drug companies are complete slime in their efforts to advance drug treatments for ADHD, sa well as Autism. Autism also occurs more often the closer you are to the downwind smoke of a coal powered electric utility ( the mercury levels are high) so both big coal and big pharma are at fault. Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 14:02:54 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:02:54 -0400 Subject: journalism References: <200807231743.m6NHhgi8083742@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: > BTW, this is one time when nutty Mike Savage is right. Drug companies > are complete slime in their efforts to advance drug treatments for ADHD, > sa well as Autism. Do you (or Savage) have any facts to back this up...or is it just something you'd like to believe? From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 23 14:20:05 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:20:05 -0400 Subject: journalism In-Reply-To: <200807231743.m6NHhgi8083742@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200807231743.m6NHhgi8083742@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <20080723181920.336036F9F6F@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Keating wrote-- > >BTW, this is one time when nutty Mike Savage is right. Drug >companies are complete slime in their efforts to advance drug >treatments for ADHD, sa well as Autism. Autism also occurs more >often the closer you are to the downwind smoke of a coal powered >electric utility ( the mercury levels are high) so both big coal and >big pharma are at fault. Much as I love you, Keating (and I do), I find the right-wing talking points highly offensive. I have been the advocate and adopted mother for an autistic adult for the past 24 years and I assure you he is not "acting", nor did he live down-wind from a power plant-- scientific studies repeatedly show NO link netween mercury and autism, even though some people (and some in the so-called "natural cures" industry) wish it were so. Bottom line, the solutions are not always simple, and beating up on people with a very real disease is an outrageous use of radio time. Not every person with autism needs to just "shape up." It's a disease that is a form of brain damage, and every day, I wish Jeff didn't suffer from it-- and yes, he does suffer. Shame on you, sir. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 14:26:42 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:26:42 -0400 Subject: journalism References: <200807231743.m6NHhgi8083742@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <44D38C28DB5A41B7A3E2E8970D627C0B@MainXPPro> > BTW, this is one time when nutty Mike Savage is right. Are you sure you want to align yourself with this guy? http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/07/22/exit_strategy/ Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who described 99 percent of children with autism as brats... "In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out," Savage said on his radio program last Wednesday. His show is carried on about 350 stations, including WRKO-AM (680) in Boston. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jul 23 15:29:21 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:29:21 -0400 Subject: The Xhmirius deal looks closer Message-ID: <48878691.8070103@gabrielmass.com> According to press reports, the FCC is nearing a decision to let the proposed XM-Sirius merger proceed: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid=%7B20A6DE95%2D9E33%2D4A1B%2D9B4A%2D5F6F1E3A3D8A%7D&siteid=rss The two companies have promised to keep prices stable for three years, provide a-la-carte deals, and offer selective programming packages with family-friendly and all-smut versions. (Just kidding! We kid because we love!). --RC From sid@wrko.com Wed Jul 23 16:13:42 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400 Subject: The Xhmirius deal looks closer In-Reply-To: <48878691.8070103@gabrielmass.com> References: <48878691.8070103@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CBDB2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>According to press reports, the FCC is nearing a decision to let the proposed XM-Sirius merger proceed: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid=%7B20A6DE95%2D9E33%2D4A1B%2D9B4A%2D5F6F1E3A3D8A%7D&siteid=rss<< It's a done deal. The wild card, Commissioner Tate, agreed to the merger conditioned on the satrad companies ponying up $20 million in fines for various FCC violations. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From iraapple@comcast.net Wed Jul 23 17:20:05 2008 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:20:05 -0500 Subject: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr, etc.etc. etc) In-Reply-To: <20080723165204.9A35A1F1256@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080721163108.036063c0@10.0.0.1><6577B9C0675A4E0A9BADF3C7E3B50823@MainXPPro><488681F7.8742.48BB72@joe.attorneyross.com><004b01c8ecc9$a32d8470$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036><48873E68.7010605@gmail.com><000c01c8ecd6$6825e6d0$0401a8c0@Family><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809881CB8A7@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <20080723165204.9A35A1F1256@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <005801c8ed09$e1a2ca90$cb43e962@IraApple> An excellent example of the balance was at KDKA with Roy Fox and John Cigna at night. WJAS, also in Pittsburgh had talk hosts with a variety of views from Ultra Right and Left to some generally in the Middle. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:53 AM To: Sid Schweiger; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Why Talk Radio is largely conservative - (Was: Howie Carr,etc.etc. etc) >Sid wrote-- > >For me, the problem with most talk radio as it's practiced now is >that talk hosts don't get ratings unless they're talking past the other side. Sid names G. Gordon Liddy as polite to callers; from the progressive side, I'd say the same about Thom Hartmann, who is both literate and courteous. But this brings up a historical point-- in the first heyday of talk radio, the late 1960s, stations had both righties and lefties on the air, and the public loved it. The folks who hated the rightie listened just to disagree with him, and the folks who hated the leftie did the same, but people listened to ALL the shows, according to Arbitron "time spent listening" numbers. These days, most stations are all right-wing talkers all the time (or a few are all left-wing talkers all the time), but the idea of letting both sides be heard rarely occurs. From mike@miscon.net Fri Jul 25 12:47:12 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:47:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? Message-ID: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> As technology progresses, and real-time traffic, weather, and sports becomes readily - and more easily - available in a mobile environment; where music is available from a personal play-list, or provided (wireless) through an internet entity; where "news" becomes a "social platform" that allows anyone anywhere to be a "reporter;" what does "radio" do? What is its purpose? Its meaning? I'm not trying - as many others have done in the past - to predict the death of radio, but rather I'm wondering how it will change, adapt, remain relevant. And I'm asking you, esteemed list members, what the future holds. What will radio be live five, twenty, or fifty years from now? Mike From markwats@comcast.net Fri Jul 25 23:48:29 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:48:29 -0400 Subject: Christmas In July On WROR Message-ID: <000c01c8eed2$789458f0$0302a8c0@Mark> Earlier today I happened to catch a few minutes of "Christmas in July" on WROR, as they were playing all our holiday favorites. 80 degrees in Boston, here's Burl Ives with a Holly Jolly Christmas. Don't know if they're planning to do this all weekend or if it's just for today. Mark Watson From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jul 26 07:27:07 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:27:07 -0400 Subject: Christmas In July On WROR References: <000c01c8eed2$789458f0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <000b01c8ef12$8aadb9b0$0401a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" > Earlier today I happened to catch a few minutes of "Christmas in July" > on WROR, as they were playing all our holiday favorites. 80 degrees in > Boston, here's Burl Ives with a Holly Jolly Christmas. Don't know if > they're planning to do this all weekend or if it's just for today. > it was supposed to be just for the day, according the WROR email club note they sent out. they also dressed up one of the street crew/interns as Santa and did a number of drive-around appearances throughout the area yesterday, giving out free stuff. nothing wrong with having a little fun to beat the heat. i play a Christmas tune or two when it gets really hot (on occasion). it's "aural" air conditioning. heck, i once did the no school announcements in the middle of the summer, too. --Chuck Igo From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 26 18:49:36 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:49:36 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? Message-ID: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The last couple of nights, I've noticed the legal-ID break on the Red Sox net running very, very late. Today, the 6 pm break didn't happen until 6:12! While section 73.1201 does allow some flexibility in scheduling the ID around live events, the closest "natural break in program material" to the hour would occur no later than the first commercial break after the hour -- on today's game there was an entire inning of baseball and two stop sets before they bothered to run the legal. If you have the time to run a :90 commercial break, you have time to run a :02 legal ID. If I were the FCC, I'd send Entercom a sharply-worded letter. I didn't hear an ID on the Spanish network, either (now heard on WWDJ-1150), but there's no guarantee that I'd actually recognize it if I did. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 26 19:18:47 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:18:47 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> I've been debating this with several journalist friends of mine. Please note-- this is NOT a politics question. Whether you love or hate Barack Obama isn't the issue, in other words. This is an ethics question. As many of you know, several days ago, Barack Obama was in Israel, where he went to the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, and said a prayer. He also wrote his prayer, as is the custom, and inserted it into a crevice in the wall. As he left, an ultra-Orthodox rabbinical student removed the prayer and brought it to a newspaper, which promptly published it. That is my question. Would you have published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest sites? As a Jew, I must say that I am embarrassed by the rabbinical student -- I believe he violated Obama's privacy, and what Obama said in prayer should have remained between him and his God, rather than being treated as some souvenir. So... would your radio station or newspaper have divulged the contents of the prayer the way the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv did? I don't think it should have been published, and I would say the same thing if it were John McCain's prayer. Here is the story from MSNBC. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25854654/ From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 26 19:41:23 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:41:23 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? Message-ID: <005f01c8ef79$25bf3b70$713db250$@net> WTIC did their Legal ID earlier. I heard them throw in the Legal ID right after they overrode the "Shaw's WRKO Red Sox Radio Network" with their "Shaw's Red Sox Radio Network". From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 27 01:36:59 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:36:59 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? In-Reply-To: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <488BD13B.4297.690C84@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jul 2008 at 18:49, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I didn't hear an ID on the Spanish network, either (now heard on > WWDJ-1150), but there's no guarantee that I'd actually recognize it > if I did. I must have missed something. I thought 1150 was WTTT. Did it change again? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 27 01:37:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:37:00 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jul 2008 at 19:18, Donna Halper wrote: > As many of you know, several days ago, Barack Obama was in Israel, > where he went to the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, and > said a prayer. He also wrote his prayer, as is the custom, and > inserted it into a crevice in the wall. As he left, an ultra-Orthodox > rabbinical student removed the prayer and brought it to a newspaper, > which promptly published it. That is my question. Would you have > published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest > sites? Well, I think what the rabbinical student did was reprehensible, but that's the easy part. I'm afraid that religious fundamentalists of all strips manage to do some incredibly ungodly things in the name of their religion. That said, I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer would be private. I don't know how much he knew about what happens to prayers placed in the wall. I understand that they are removed regularly, otherwise the volume of paper would be overwhelming. I haven't yet seen the content of his prayer, so I can't begin to guess, but I suspect he probably expected that the prayer would at some point become public. He may even have planned it that way. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 27 01:37:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:37:00 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jul 2008 at 19:18, Donna Halper wrote: > As many of you know, several days ago, Barack Obama was in Israel, > where he went to the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, and > said a prayer. He also wrote his prayer, as is the custom, and > inserted it into a crevice in the wall. As he left, an ultra-Orthodox > rabbinical student removed the prayer and brought it to a newspaper, > which promptly published it. That is my question. Would you have > published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest > sites? Well, I think what the rabbinical student did was reprehensible, but that's the easy part. I'm afraid that religious fundamentalists of all strips manage to do some incredibly ungodly things in the name of their religion. That said, I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer would be private. I don't know how much he knew about what happens to prayers placed in the wall. I understand that they are removed regularly, otherwise the volume of paper would be overwhelming. I haven't yet seen the content of his prayer, so I can't begin to guess, but I suspect he probably expected that the prayer would at some point become public. He may even have planned it that way. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 01:44:39 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:44:39 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? In-Reply-To: <488BD13B.4297.690C84@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <488BD13B.4297.690C84@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807262244k1dcc1ef7oc1b740b75606d67f@mail.gmail.com> Yup, it changed just a few days ago.. swapped calls with 970 in Hackensack/NYC. Paul On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:36 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 26 Jul 2008 at 18:49, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > I didn't hear an ID on the Spanish network, either (now heard on > > WWDJ-1150), but there's no guarantee that I'd actually recognize it > > if I did. > > I must have missed something. I thought 1150 was WTTT. Did it > change again? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 27 02:55:44 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:55:44 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? Message-ID: <380-22008702765544953@ix.netcom.com> I am ashamed of the student, of his lack of consideration and respect. I believe that any faith, be it Jewish, Catholic, Congregational, Hindu, Islamic, or even a non-traditional (self-defined) (ie Forces of the Universe, or Mother Nature) [ I am completely serious] should be totally respected, unless it means death, injury, or supression of another's faith. "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony". yes, it was an idealistic song [pre Coke ad] but it absolutely pointed to the need, the appropriateness of world harmony, peace, respect. Thank you Donna, for posting the question. > [Original Message] > From: Donna Halper > To: > Date: 7/26/2008 7:20:58 PM > Subject: could I get an opinion? > > I've been debating this with several journalist friends of > mine. Please note-- this is NOT a politics question. Whether you > love or hate Barack Obama isn't the issue, in other words. This is > an ethics question. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 27 07:19:47 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:19:47 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I don't know whether Salem/Radio Luz's custom is to ID in English, rather than in the language of the rest of the program content, but many ethnic broadcasters ID in English, even though it requires the use of pre-recorded IDs, because the talent at any given break may not speak English. My guess is that, most of the talent on these foreign-language shows does speak enough English to do a legal ID--even if they are uncomfortable doing so. Anyhow WRCA and WAZN seem to consistently ID in English and WUNR used to (don't know about now; I can bearly hear the station by day and not at all at night). Not sure about any others. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? > I didn't hear an ID on the Spanish network, > either (now heard on WWDJ-1150), but there's no guarantee that I'd > actually recognize it if I did. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 09:58:50 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:58:50 -0400 Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807270658ob9d73ach5e2e28758ff7d176@mail.gmail.com> I've heard a few clips of WAZN, and I think one of the voices doing a pre-recorded id is the rapsy Jeff Kline, the Chief Engineer/General Manager. Paul On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't know whether Salem/Radio Luz's custom is to ID in English, > rather than in the language of the rest of the program content, but > many ethnic broadcasters ID in English, even though it requires the > use of pre-recorded IDs, because the talent at any given break may not > speak English. My guess is that, most of the talent on these > foreign-language shows does speak enough English to do a legal > ID--even if they are uncomfortable doing so. Anyhow WRCA and WAZN seem > to consistently ID in English and WUNR used to (don't know about now; > I can bearly hear the station by day and not at all at night). Not > sure about any others. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" < > wollman@bimajority.org> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:49 PM > Subject: Slow clock in the Fenway press box? > > > > I didn't hear an ID on the Spanish network, >> either (now heard on WWDJ-1150), but there's no guarantee that I'd >> actually recognize it if I did. >> > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 11:13:39 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:39 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> Obama, like any politician who makes such a trip, did it for media coverage. Though I find the printing of the prayer to be tasteless, isn't it tasteless for a politician to use a religious experience for political gain? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 11:20:00 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807270820h5f426c47n7a1c6fa7dfa7de9e@mail.gmail.com> I think no matter what the reason for the trip, wether for publicity, political gain or personal... Obama has every right to privacy, and that includes the printing and sharing of his prayer. I think it was wrong for that student to take it.. and even "more wrong" (is that even a word?) for the newspaper to print it. I'm not a religious person at all, but even I know how wrong it was. It doesn't matter who someone is or what their job is (or might be in the future) they are still a human being who deserves some amount of respect and privacy. Paul Walker On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Dan Billings wrote: > Obama, like any politician who makes such a trip, did it for media > coverage. Though I find the printing of the prayer to be tasteless, isn't it > tasteless for a politician to use a religious experience for political gain? > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 09:52:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:52:59 -0500 Subject: WWDJ 1150 Message-ID: <4fc429770807270652m70018802jfccc9779f483bb0b@mail.gmail.com> Obviously no other station in Boston has had more call letter changes than 1150 but I am curious if any station in the country has had more changes. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 27 11:51:52 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:51:52 -0400 Subject: WWDJ 1150 References: <4fc429770807270652m70018802jfccc9779f483bb0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61B9D02367024844AC893C75984AEB8B@SatU205S5044> I suspect that the answer is yes--some station proably has had more than 12 call signs--but I don't know how you could prove it as a practical matter. The FCC does maintain some records on previous call signs, but AFAIK, the records are both incomplete and not organized in a way that would facilitate a search by number of call-sign changes. I think, rather, the records are organized by call sign, If you know a call sign and know how to use the database, you can find a listing of stations that used the call sign and dates when it was used by various stations. However, I believe it has been shown that the early records are incomplete and sometimes inaccurate. So if someone knows of a station that has had more than 12 call signs, you could prove that AT LEAST one station has had more than 12 call signs, but you still wouldn't know what the record is and which station holds it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: WWDJ 1150 > Obviously no other station in Boston has had more call letter > changes > than 1150 but I am curious if any station in the country has had > more > changes. From attychase@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 12:26:32 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:26:32 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? References: Message-ID: <4ECCF45492D84314A93D6C7F8FFC7F38@HomeOffice> First thing I learned in radio was ALWAYS TREAT THE MIKE AS LIVE! Same goes for the internet, letters, and especially prayers left at the wailing wall by a presidential candidate accompanied by retinue.. Bob Chase > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:37:00 -0400 > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? > To: bri@bostonradio.org, Donna Halper > Message-ID: <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > >On 26 Jul 2008 at 19:18, Donna Halper wrote: > >. Would you have >> published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest >> sites? > That said, I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer > would be private. From cloutier@piesky.com Sun Jul 27 12:41:02 2008 From: cloutier@piesky.com (Steve Cloutier) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080727124054.039fee80@10.0.0.1> >On 26 Jul 2008 at 19:18, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > As many of you know, several days ago, Barack Obama was in Israel, > > where he went to the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, and > > said a prayer. He also wrote his prayer, as is the custom, and > > inserted it into a crevice in the wall. As he left, an ultra-Orthodox > > rabbinical student removed the prayer and brought it to a newspaper, > > which promptly published it. That is my question. Would you have > > published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest > > sites? > > >Well, I think what the rabbinical student did was reprehensible, but >that's the easy part. I'm afraid that religious fundamentalists of >all strips manage to do some incredibly ungodly things in the name of >their religion. > > >That said, I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer >would be private. I don't know how much he knew about what happens >to prayers placed in the wall. I understand that they are removed >regularly, otherwise the volume of paper would be overwhelming. I >haven't yet seen the content of his prayer, so I can't begin to >guess, but I suspect he probably expected that the prayer would at >some point become public. He may even have planned it that way. As a highly public figure, whose religious leanings are under scrutiny, there is _no way_ the Campaign did *NOT* know the prayer would be made public. Should the student have looked? From a strictly religious standpoint NO. Did the Obama campaign expect it? Absolutely. They are very smart. This sort of thing happens all the time with public figures. Having read the prayer, it was, IN MY HUMBLE (emphasize HUMBLE) *opinion* that it was very likely staged. It's the sort of prayer everyone would like any public figure to pray. What do they say - "too perfect"?? But, to answer the question, no I am not horrified or even offended that the student got the prayer. Obama is a political figure, and everything everything everything he does in public is going to be scrutinized. Since we're on the subject, the Bible says real gifts, acts of service, prayers, fasts, etc. are done in private, between you and God, so only the two of you know what you did and that you did not do (whatever it was) to bring recognition to yourself. I'm not at all saying Obama shouldn't have prayed in public - but that the real thing happens in private. Regards, Steve From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 12:46:18 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:46:18 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:13 AM 7/27/2008, Dan Billings wrote: >Obama, like any politician who makes such a trip, did it for media >coverage. Though I find the printing of the prayer to be tasteless, >isn't it tasteless for a politician to use a religious experience >for political gain? Umm, I don't wanna take this list into politics (again) but Dan, every politician does things for political gain. And in this case, we have NO evidence that Obama was praying just for the cameras. Those prayers are supposed to be private, and since he has both a pastor and a rabbi (true) in his family, we have no evidence that his desire to pray wasn't sincere. Let's keep dislike for the candidate out of the question-- as I said, if I got a McCain prayer from somebody at the Wall, I'd feel just as conflicted about reporting it or broadcasting the contents. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 13:33:22 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:22 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan Billings" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? > Those prayers are supposed to be private, and since he has both a pastor > and a rabbi (true) in his family, we have no evidence that his desire to > pray wasn't sincere. Let's keep dislike for the candidate out of the > question-- as I said, if I got a McCain prayer from somebody at the Wall, > I'd feel just as conflicted about reporting it or broadcasting the > contents. I don't think any politician who makes such a prayer in the middle of a campaign is doing it for private reasons. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 27 13:44:54 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:44:54 -0400 Subject: WWDJ 1150 In-Reply-To: <61B9D02367024844AC893C75984AEB8B@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770807270652m70018802jfccc9779f483bb0b@mail.gmail.com> <61B9D02367024844AC893C75984AEB8B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18572.46102.192929.68110@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I suspect that the answer is yes--some station proably has had more > than 12 call signs--but I don't know how you could prove it as a > practical matter. The FCC does maintain some records on previous call > signs, but AFAIK, the records are both incomplete and not organized in > a way that would facilitate a search by number of call-sign changes. Sure they are. It's a simple database query, of the sort they teach in SQL 101: bra=> select fac_callsign, "count" from (select facility_id, count(*) as "count" from call_sign_history group by facility_id having count(*) >= 11) summary natural join facility order by "count" desc; fac_callsign | count --------------+------- WLRI-LP | 18 W23CN | 13 KFUL-LP | 11 KPIG | 11 K48GO | 11 DKIIS | 11 KBAY | 11 W17CD | 11 (8 rows) However, this does not include any callsign changes made before the FCC computerized the callsign desk thirty years ago. But winner, over the last three decades at least, has the following history: begin_date | callsign ---------------------+---------- 2003-10-27 00:00:00 | WOMB-LP 2004-04-23 00:00:00 | WGCP-LP 2004-05-12 00:00:00 | WOMB-LP 2004-10-16 00:00:00 | WLDW-LP 2004-12-20 00:00:00 | WOBS-LP 2005-04-20 00:00:00 | WGPQ-LP 2005-05-09 00:00:00 | WLBX-LP 2005-05-16 00:00:00 | WOBS-LP 2005-09-15 00:00:00 | WLRI-LP 2006-05-01 00:00:00 | WLIZ-LP 2006-06-13 00:00:00 | WTPP-LP 2006-07-01 00:00:00 | WOMB-LP 2006-08-17 00:00:00 | WPAG-LP 2007-03-12 00:00:00 | WLIZ-LP 2007-04-23 00:00:00 | WLAL-LP 2007-09-01 00:00:00 | WLRI-LP 2008-01-04 00:00:00 | WOPR-LP 2008-01-17 00:00:00 | WLRI-LP (18 rows) That's a very indecisive licensee. But the Commission presumably doesn't care, so long as they get their $65. Some of the others are clearly errors on the part of the Commission: begin_date | callsign ---------------------+---------- | 880624YQ 1997-03-04 00:00:00 | W06BP 1997-03-04 00:00:00 | W17CD 1998-06-02 00:00:00 | W06BP 1998-09-08 00:00:00 | W17CD 1998-10-22 00:00:00 | W06BP 1998-08-31 00:00:00 | W17CD 1999-07-15 00:00:00 | W06BP 1999-07-15 00:00:00 | W17CD 1999-07-15 00:00:00 | W06BP 1999-07-15 00:00:00 | W17CD (11 rows) The "DKIIS" listed is the former 850 in Thousand Oaks, whose history looks like this: begin_date | callsign ---------------------+---------- | KGOE 1984-04-29 00:00:00 | KMDY 1992-04-07 00:00:00 | KCTQ 1995-05-01 00:00:00 | KAHS 1998-07-27 00:00:00 | KLYF 1999-08-27 00:00:00 | KBET 2000-08-30 00:00:00 | KACD 2001-02-22 00:00:00 | KSSC 2001-03-08 00:00:00 | KACD 2003-10-26 00:00:00 | KIIS 2005-03-04 00:00:00 | DKIIS (11 rows) -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 13:46:01 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:46:01 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> I disagree.. what makes you the authority on wether Obama was doing it for Private reasons? Can you read his mind? On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Dan Billings" ; "A. Joseph Ross" < > joe@attorneyross.com>; > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? > > Those prayers are supposed to be private, and since he has both a pastor >> and a rabbi (true) in his family, we have no evidence that his desire to >> pray wasn't sincere. Let's keep dislike for the candidate out of the >> question-- as I said, if I got a McCain prayer from somebody at the Wall, >> I'd feel just as conflicted about reporting it or broadcasting the contents. >> > > I don't think any politician who makes such a prayer in the middle of a > campaign is doing it for private reasons. > From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 27 09:53:09 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:53:09 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer would be private. I don't know how much he knew about what happens to prayers placed in the wall. I understand that they are removed regularly, otherwise the volume of paper would be overwhelming. I haven't yet seen the content of his prayer, so I can't begin to guess, but I suspect he probably expected that the prayer would at some point become public. He may even have planned it that way.<< I have no idea what his intent was, but IIRC the custom is that all prayers inserted into the Wall are considered private communications between the person and G-d. Yes, they are regularly removed, but the messags are not read and are burned, the same thing that happens to damaged Torahs, Megillot and other sacred texts (the significance being that fire rises upward from the item being consumed, symbolizing its return to G-d). The rabbinical student really should have known better, and should have considered his violation of what is commonly referred to as the Golden Rule, which has its basis in the Bible. I doubt he would have been very happy if someone did that to him. What he did was not "in the name of his religion;" it was a violation of one of its most basic tenets (no one need pray with a congregation for G-d to hear one's prayer, and if one wishes to pray in private, that prayer remains private). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 14:03:55 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > I don't think any politician who makes such a prayer in the middle of > a campaign is doing it for private reasons. I agree with Dan on this. But I will add that the issue should be taken to wherever that Rabbinical student is "studying." This guy wants to lead others down a spiritual path? He needs a little work first. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 14:15:01 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:15:01 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: Dan Billings Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org ; Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? I disagree.. what makes you the authority on wether Obama was doing it for Private reasons? Can you read his mind? The event was part of his public campaign schedule. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 14:23:28 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:28 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> So? DOes that mean the candidate can't have a private moment to himself? Paul On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Paul B. Walker, Jr. > *To:* Dan Billings > *Cc:* A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org ; Donna > Halper > *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:46 PM > *Subject:* Re: could I get an opinion? > > I disagree.. what makes you the authority on wether Obama was doing it > for Private reasons? Can you read his mind? > > > The event was part of his public campaign schedule. > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 14:31:10 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:31:10 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080727183113.4D97F1F1F26@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Dan wrote-- > > >The event was part of his public campaign schedule. Umm, yes, but the prayer was between him and his G-d. Prayers are regularly placed in the Wall by whoever chooses to place them there. It is unheard of for such written prayers to be removed, and that is why I was quite surprised. Again, to all you radio and TV reporters and PDs, are there now no limits whatsoever in what we report? It's a YouTube and internet rumour sort of world, and the limits I was taught way back when I was starting out no longer seem to apply. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 14:32:29 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:32:29 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85EE39F5FCF54B3D8805AD060CE63F6A@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: Dan Billings Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org ; Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? So? DOes that mean the candidate can't have a private moment to himself? Paul On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Dan Billings wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: Dan Billings Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org ; Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? I disagree.. what makes you the authority on wether Obama was doing it for Private reasons? Can you read his mind? The event was part of his public campaign schedule. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 14:33:18 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:33:18 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: Dan Billings Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org ; Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? So? DOes that mean the candidate can't have a private moment to himself? Paul If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 14:51:08 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:51:08 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Dan wrote-- > > If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. > People go to public religious shrines all the time, whether in the Vatican or in Israel or in Lumbini (birthplace of the Buddha). And sometimes, photographers are there, or members of the media, if the person making the visit is famous. But I don't get any sense that he invited the press to remove his private prayer from the wall and publish it. Dan, answer me honestly-- if this had happened to John McCain, wouldn't you be a bit offended? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 14:13:23 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:13:23 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8f014$754e5860$5feb0920$@com> > The rabbinical student really should have known > better, and should have considered his violation of what is commonly > referred to as the Golden Rule, which has its basis in the Bible. I > doubt he would have been very happy if someone did that to him. What > he did was not "in the name of his religion;" it was a violation of one > of its most basic tenets (no one need pray with a congregation for G-d > to hear one's prayer, and if one wishes to pray in private, that prayer > remains private). [Brian Vita] Unless, of course, he was a campaign shill. Personal views aside, ANY candidate is surrounded by handlers who set up his every move. Very little that happens under the scrutiny of the all-seeing press corp eye is not scripted from Bill & Hillary's famous walk along Normandy Beach to Obama's prayers. This is not a partisan issue, it happens on both sides of the aisle. If this were a true "fact finding" mission, there would not be a scripted press junket to document his every move. If he truly wanted to pray in private, arrangements would have been made. Brian Vita From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 14:15:10 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:15:10 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> > Dan Billings wrote: > > I don't think any politician who makes such a prayer in the middle of > > a campaign is doing it for private reasons. > I agree with Dan on this. But I will add that the issue should be > taken > to wherever that Rabbinical student is "studying." This guy wants to > lead others down a spiritual path? He needs a little work first. > Yes, but what defines "Rabbinical student"? Does my covering one air shift at WCAP as a board op make me a "broadcast professional"? [Brian Vita] From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 15:11:19 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:11:19 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <867F74BB461F417EAA6E649E1E3EF7C8@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Dan Billings ; Paul B. Walker, Jr. Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; bri@bostonradio.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? People go to public religious shrines all the time, whether in the Vatican or in Israel or in Lumbini (birthplace of the Buddha). And sometimes, photographers are there, or members of the media, if the person making the visit is famous. But I don't get any sense that he invited the press to remove his private prayer from the wall and publish it. Dan, answer me honestly-- if this had happened to John McCain, wouldn't you be a bit offended? Grabbing the prayer is offensive. As is using a religious shrine for political purposes. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 14:41:49 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:41:49 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I disagree.. what makes you the authority on wether Obama was doing it for > Private reasons? ..ummm...the fact that he brought his press entourage? From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:25:51 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:25:51 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <488CCBBF.20108@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > >> Dan wrote-- >> >> If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. >> > > People go to public religious shrines all the time, whether in the > Vatican or in Israel or in Lumbini (birthplace of the Buddha). And > sometimes, photographers are there, or members of the media, if the > person making the visit is famous. But I don't get any sense that he > invited the press to remove his private prayer from the wall and > publish it. Dan, answer me honestly-- if this had happened to John > McCain, wouldn't you be a bit offended? I do question Obama's seeming pattern with and through the press. The other 'controversy' involving Obama's last minute decision not to visit hospitalized US troops while in Germany was officially cited as out of deference for the privacy of the troops from the press. The weak-link in that decision for me is that there were innumerable measures that his campaign could have taken (under the direction of the Dept. of Defense) to get the candidate there and back before anyone even knew he left. The smell-test comes to mind as a useful journalistic tool in the toolbox. It's one that American media need to dust-off. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:28:45 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:28:45 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <4ECCF45492D84314A93D6C7F8FFC7F38@HomeOffice> References: <4ECCF45492D84314A93D6C7F8FFC7F38@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <488CCC6D.8000609@gmail.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > First thing I learned in radio was ALWAYS TREAT THE MIKE AS LIVE! Same > goes for the internet, letters, and especially prayers left at the > wailing wall by a presidential candidate accompanied by retinue.. > > Bob Chase Spot-on Bob. Bill O' From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:31:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:31:23 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> Message-ID: <488CCD0B.5000104@gmail.com> Brian Vita wrote: > Yes, but what defines "Rabbinical student"? Does my covering one air shift > at WCAP as a board op make me a "broadcast professional"? > [Brian Vita] No, perhaps not. But if it's the WCAP equipment I knew and loved, it does make you a humble genius. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jul 27 16:03:22 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:03:22 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20080727124054.039fee80@10.0.0.1> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080727124054.039fee80@10.0.0.1> Message-ID: <004001c8f023$d2e51810$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Reminds me of the time Clinton was at a funeral (Vernon Jordan's I think) and was laughing and having a good old time until he saw that a camera was on him, then he started to feign he was crying. Anyone running for POTUS that doesn't act as if the cameras are on 24/7 is making a huge mistake... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Cloutier Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:41 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: could I get an opinion? >On 26 Jul 2008 at 19:18, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > As many of you know, several days ago, Barack Obama was in Israel, > > where he went to the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, and > > said a prayer. He also wrote his prayer, as is the custom, and > > inserted it into a crevice in the wall. As he left, an ultra-Orthodox > > rabbinical student removed the prayer and brought it to a newspaper, > > which promptly published it. That is my question. Would you have > > published Obama's private prayer, left at one of Israel's holiest > > sites? > > >Well, I think what the rabbinical student did was reprehensible, but >that's the easy part. I'm afraid that religious fundamentalists of >all strips manage to do some incredibly ungodly things in the name of >their religion. > > >That said, I wonder just what expecation Obama had that his prayer >would be private. I don't know how much he knew about what happens >to prayers placed in the wall. I understand that they are removed >regularly, otherwise the volume of paper would be overwhelming. I >haven't yet seen the content of his prayer, so I can't begin to >guess, but I suspect he probably expected that the prayer would at >some point become public. He may even have planned it that way. As a highly public figure, whose religious leanings are under scrutiny, there is _no way_ the Campaign did *NOT* know the prayer would be made public. Should the student have looked? From a strictly religious standpoint NO. Did the Obama campaign expect it? Absolutely. They are very smart. This sort of thing happens all the time with public figures. Having read the prayer, it was, IN MY HUMBLE (emphasize HUMBLE) *opinion* that it was very likely staged. It's the sort of prayer everyone would like any public figure to pray. What do they say - "too perfect"?? But, to answer the question, no I am not horrified or even offended that the student got the prayer. Obama is a political figure, and everything everything everything he does in public is going to be scrutinized. Since we're on the subject, the Bible says real gifts, acts of service, prayers, fasts, etc. are done in private, between you and God, so only the two of you know what you did and that you did not do (whatever it was) to bring recognition to yourself. I'm not at all saying Obama shouldn't have prayed in public - but that the real thing happens in private. Regards, Steve From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Jul 27 14:54:13 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:54:13 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> Ah yes, more BS Faux News-type spin. This would have happened whether he "invited" the press or not. Besides, how much control did you think he had over the press coverage at that particular location? It was a public area in a foreign country, and he had multiple news organizations from around the globe following him around, not just the US contingent. There was no way he could have had a "private moment." If he had chosen not to go to the Wall, which many world leaders and yes, politicians have visited over the years, the right wing media would be bashing him for NOT going! In Wingnut World, there's no way Obama can win. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. > From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 15:53:29 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:29 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <004001c8f023$d2e51810$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080727124054.039fee80@10.0.0.1> <004001c8f023$d2e51810$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <001001c8f022$723fd780$56bf8680$@net> That was Ron Brown. Vernon Jordan is still alive. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:03 PM To: 'Steve Cloutier'; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: could I get an opinion? Reminds me of the time Clinton was at a funeral (Vernon Jordan's I think) and was laughing and having a good old time until he saw that a camera was on him, then he started to feign he was crying. From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 27 16:02:00 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com>,<002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Yes, but what defines "Rabbinical student"?<< A man (women are permitted in Reform Judaism) who is studying to become an ordained rabbi. If that's really who stole the prayer from the Wall, he needs to do a serious re-evaluation of his calling. Call me old-fashioned, but I do not for one moment believe that just because someone is running for president, they automatically cede all rights to any sort of private life. Do reporters enter church on Sunday with the Bushes and/or mob them when they emerge at the end of the service, and demand to know what prayers they said? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 15:29:31 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:29:31 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > So? Does that mean the candidate can't have a private moment to himself? Should he expect a "private moment by himself" with a fullpress entourage? Probably not.... If he wanted a private moment, he could have entered a temple/synagogue and asked that no press follow him. He could have utterred his prayers alone in his hotel room. He could have visited the site before or after a campaign. Can we face the fact that he was there for political reasons? I was just imagining what Baracks former pastor would say bout Israel, the Jews and Baracks visit to the wall. (I shudder...) Many (not all) fundie Christians have issues with the Jews. I would expect that some Jews look skeptically at Obama for his church affiliation and his outspoken pastor. It's easy to see that this was a staged event for political gain. (Which, I suppose, if yu agree with his politics is fine!) Back to the original question. Did the "rabinical student" take something that did not belong to him? Yes, so I think it's unethical. Did the paper print something that they should not have had access to (not a matter of public business or record)? Then I believe that was unethical too. From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jul 27 16:19:14 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:19:14 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <001001c8f022$723fd780$56bf8680$@net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20080727124054.039fee80@10.0.0.1><004001c8f023$d2e51810$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001001c8f022$723fd780$56bf8680$@net> Message-ID: <004301c8f026$09ebc910$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Thank you for the correction..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of radiotony Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:53 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: could I get an opinion? That was Ron Brown. Vernon Jordan is still alive. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:03 PM To: 'Steve Cloutier'; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: could I get an opinion? Reminds me of the time Clinton was at a funeral (Vernon Jordan's I think) and was laughing and having a good old time until he saw that a camera was on him, then he started to feign he was crying. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 16:13:24 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:13:24 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> Message-ID: <488CD6E4.6070900@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > If he had chosen not to go to the Wall, which many world leaders and > yes, politicians have visited over the years, the right wing media > would be bashing him for NOT going! Going to the wall was a genuinely good thing for Obama to do. Scripting a prayer was also admirable. Expecting privacy was a rookie call. By the way, wing nuts are low carb. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 11:53:18 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:53:18 -0400 Subject: WWDJ 1150 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807270652m70018802jfccc9779f483bb0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807270652m70018802jfccc9779f483bb0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807270853q75c04eabp42ba38bbdd593e97@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure there are some who have lots more. There's an LPFM in Pennsylvania that's probably changed calls like 10 times. Scott Fybush... Paging Scott Fybush!! -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Obviously no other station in Boston has had more call letter changes > than 1150 but I am curious if any station in the country has had more > changes. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:18:06 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:18:06 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <002b01c8f014$754e5860$5feb0920$@com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <002b01c8f014$754e5860$5feb0920$@com> Message-ID: <20080727201808.7141E44C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Brian suggested-- > >Unless, of course, he was a campaign shill. Personal views >aside, ANY candidate is surrounded by handlers who set up his every move. >Very little that happens under the scrutiny of the all-seeing press corp eye >is not scripted from Bill & Hillary's famous walk along Normandy Beach to >Obama's prayers. This is not a partisan issue, it happens on both sides of >the aisle. Umm, by all accounts this was an ultra-Orthodox student from a Hasidic seminary. (You asked what made him a "rabbinical student" and the answer is, he was studying at a seminary that trains ultra-Orthodox rabbis.) What a cynical person you are, sir! Even the Israeli media said he was not in any way a partisan from either side. And even in the most "scripted" campaigns, the unexpected really CAN (and does) occur. But you are speaking to my point here-- is there nothing that is considered "sacred" any more? Are we so eager to get any scoop that how we got it doesn't matter? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:23:36 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:23:36 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488CCBBF.20108@gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CCBBF.20108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080727202338.B0ED544C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Bill wrote-- >The other 'controversy' involving Obama's last minute decision not >to visit hospitalized US troops while in Germany was officially >cited as out of deference for the privacy of the troops from the >press. The weak-link in that decision for me is that there were >innumerable measures that his campaign could have taken (under the >direction of the Dept. of Defense) to get the candidate there and >back before anyone even knew he left. Umm, before this spins into talking points from either side, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Politico, the Washington Post, and everyone else have now acknowledged that the military informed him at the last minute NOT to go, because they said it would be seen as a "political event"; so he cancelled the visit, but he called the troops instead. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 16:24:41 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:24:41 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com>, <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> > >>Yes, but what defines "Rabbinical student"?<< > > A man (women are permitted in Reform Judaism) who is studying to become > an ordained rabbi. [Brian Vita] But who sets the standard? Are they self-proclaimed or is there an organization that recognizes them as such. I've been known to read the Bible. Does that make me a seminary student? > Do reporters enter church on > Sunday with the Bushes and/or mob them when they emerge at the end of > the service, and demand to know what prayers they said? > Actually, if the church didn't bar them at the door, they would. If they thought that the Bushes had said anything newsworthy, they'd be quoting the hell out of it. I'd find this just as obnoxious if it were McCain doing it. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jul 27 16:24:43 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:24:43 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727202338.B0ED544C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CCBBF.20108@gmail.com> <20080727202338.B0ED544C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <12A12E3CC6C7414D938A919F2086F55C@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Dan Billings" ; "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? > Umm, before this spins into talking points from either side, CNN, MSNBC, > Fox, Politico, the Washington Post, and everyone else have now > acknowledged that the military informed him at the last minute NOT to go, > because they said it would be seen as a "political event"; so he cancelled > the visit, but he called the troops instead. I have seen it reported on the networks that he was told he could go if he did not bring any campaign staff. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:30:35 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:30:35 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080727203038.7DF9844C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Don said-- >I was just imagining what Baracks former pastor would say bout >Israel, the Jews and Baracks visit to the wall. (I shudder...) Don't shudder, and let's avoid the usual right wing talking points, shall we? Don't forget, Obama has a rabbi in his family, as well as people of all faiths and sects. His pastor had expressed varied views about Israel, depending on how he was feeling that week, but Obama has NO history of saying anything anti-Jewish or anti-Israel. Nor, by the way, has he said anything against Muslims. Terrorists, yes. Muslims as people, no. That's not the point though. And can we avoid putting quotes around "rabbinical student" since the kid was, by all accounts, enrolled in a seminary? As for the skeptical views of Obama praying at the wall, again, if one goes to X country, it's considered polite to stop at their most important sites. All politicians do this. I am Jewish, as you all are aware, but if I were visiting the Vatican on some official business, you can bet I'd make a stop at one of the Catholic holy sites, just to be polite to those who invited me. And this is the final time I will mention this: I know many memSo let's stick to the facts, please. Tenk u veddy much. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:31:55 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:31:55 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmco rad.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <20080727203157.E8F4F44C3CF@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:02 PM 7/27/2008, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>Yes, but what defines "Rabbinical student"?<< > >A man (women are permitted in Reform Judaism) who is studying to >become an ordained rabbi. Conservative and Reconstructionist Judaism also both permit women to study for the rabbinate. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 16:33:18 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:33:18 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727201808.7141E44C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <002b01c8f014$754e5860$5feb0920$@com> <20080727201808.7141E44C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <488CDB8E.90301@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > But you are speaking to my point here-- is there nothing that is > considered "sacred" any more? Are we so eager to get any scoop that > how we got it doesn't matter? I thank Donna for opening us up to this topic. I've tossed more than a few (albeit snarky) posts out there but let me be sure to add this - to answer Donna's question - Once sacred were commitments, promises, contracts, oaths, handshake agreements, innocent life; however, none of these were ever universally sacred. Since time's beginning there's been the good and the bad. The good news is that we are free to live well, set good example, and be open to rebuke and accountability. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jul 27 16:14:36 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:14:36 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com><8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com><37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <004101c8f025$64ad3bf0$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> What I'm seeing here.... Those that support Obama are defending him, those not so are not... Q: Same thing happens but it's candidate Ronald Wilson Reagan....Same defense from same folks on this list? I bet not... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:51 PM To: Dan Billings; Paul B. Walker, Jr. Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? >Dan wrote-- > > If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. > People go to public religious shrines all the time, whether in the Vatican or in Israel or in Lumbini (birthplace of the Buddha). And sometimes, photographers are there, or members of the media, if the person making the visit is famous. But I don't get any sense that he invited the press to remove his private prayer from the wall and publish it. Dan, answer me honestly-- if this had happened to John McCain, wouldn't you be a bit offended? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:38:14 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:38:14 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <004101c8f025$64ad3bf0$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <20080727185111.62A7B1B40C3@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <004101c8f025$64ad3bf0$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <20080727203817.08F9944C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:14 PM 7/27/2008, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >What I'm seeing here.... > >Those that support Obama are defending him, those not so are not... And that really bothers me -- it wasn't intended to be a referendum on whether we like a candidate. Should our personal views on somebody affect whether we are fair to them in our coverage? I train journalists-- I was at Emerson for 19 years and will soon be starting a new job at Lesley. I've always told my students that whether I like a political candidate or not, I will NEVER question him or her in a rude or snarky way-- that would disgrace the people who came before me. And in my e-mails to this list, that's why I specified that I'd feel the same way about the Obama incident if it happened to McCain. My question was NOT intended to be political. It WAS intended to be about ethics and the state of our industry these days. Is any rumour or any piece of information (no matter how it was obtained) suitable for broadcast. Let's remove it from politics entirely. I recall very clearly when somebody (who shall remain nameless) got their hands on the late David Brudnoy's private medical information, which showed he was HIV Positive-- this was before that information had been made public. Back then, the general consensus was to NOT put that information on the air, even as an anonymous "leak". Today, somehow I think it would be on the news immediately. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 16:03:12 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:03:12 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com><8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com><37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> Message-ID: > Ah yes, more BS Faux News-type spin. How did Fox News get into this discussion? From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jul 27 16:18:44 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:18:44 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com><8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com><37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> Message-ID: <004201c8f025$f8435e80$a1c33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Dave: You've got to be kidding! The media's lips still have Obama's A** marks all over them! I don't like Hillary Clinton....but at least she got fairly scrutinized by the media. Guaranteed that Obama gets more favorable media coverage than McCain! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:54 PM To: Dan Billings Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: could I get an opinion? Ah yes, more BS Faux News-type spin. This would have happened whether he "invited" the press or not. Besides, how much control did you think he had over the press coverage at that particular location? It was a public area in a foreign country, and he had multiple news organizations from around the globe following him around, not just the US contingent. There was no way he could have had a "private moment." If he had chosen not to go to the Wall, which many world leaders and yes, politicians have visited over the years, the right wing media would be bashing him for NOT going! In Wingnut World, there's no way Obama can win. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > If he wanted a private moment, he wouldn't have invited the press. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 27 16:43:44 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:43:44 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> Message-ID: <20080727204346.A2B3644C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:24 PM 7/27/2008, Brian Vita wrote: >But who sets the standard? Are they self-proclaimed or is >there an organization that recognizes them as such. In Israel as in America, there are seminaries that are supervised by the Orthodox or Hasidic board of rabbis. (The best example of this in America is New York's Yeshiva University, but in various parts of NY, there are also smaller seminaries, which are under the supervision of a rabbinical council) To get in, you have to take a test, be formally admitted, pass your courses, etc. They are very stringent at most seminaries, whether Catholic or Protestant or Jewish. Just reading the Bible doesn't get a person admitted. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 16:30:48 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:30:48 -0400 Subject: WWDJ 1150 In-Reply-To: <18572.46102.192929.68110@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7DEE76087B1740E495926940DE9308E2@DHPP0DB1> > However, this does not include any callsign changes made before the > FCC computerized the callsign desk thirty years ago. But winner, > over the last three decades at least, has the following history: I've noticed some cases of stations within the past 30 years not listing all of the callsigns though. One example of this is 790 WPRV in Providence. In their callsign history, WLKW is not listed. Not knowing much about their history, there may be more missing, I'm not sure. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 14:44:53 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:44:53 -0500 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <380-22008702765544953@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-22008702765544953@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807271144m6a2f571asa7bb6a15d13d5077@mail.gmail.com> Sadly anything a public figure does is considered fair game now. Amazing when you think back how the media respected FDR's wish that the public not be aware that he was crippled. Everything changed with Gary Hart and Donna Rice. Since then nothing has been considered off limits. From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 27 17:41:38 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:41:38 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com>,<002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>But who sets the standard? Are they self-proclaimed or is there an organization that recognizes them as such.<< There are rabbinical colleges and semiaries, but Judaism does not have any sort of central authority analogous to, for example, the Roman Catholic church. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Jul 27 17:25:47 2008 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: could I get an opinion? Message-ID: <20080727212547.85F105D5EA@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> At 04:14 PM 7/27/2008, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >What I'm seeing here.... Praise the Lord he didn't pray for an end to climate change. :-) Sorry, couldn't resist, though I should know better. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 20:09:42 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:09:42 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080727204346.A2B3644C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> <002e01c8f014$b4f534c0$1edf9e40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D25@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <007501c8f026$ccb5a920$6620fb60$@com> <20080727204346.A2B3644C02E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <008601c8f046$3c3a74a0$b4af5de0$@com> My point was that very often in the media I've seen someone identified as being either a "student of" or an "expert on" a field. Closer examination of the person's credentials sometimes reveals that they're only peripherally involved with whatever they've been marked as an authority on. Brian > In Israel as in America, there are seminaries that are supervised by > the Orthodox or Hasidic board of rabbis. (The best example of this in > America is New York's Yeshiva University, but in various parts of NY, > there are also smaller seminaries, which are under the supervision of > a rabbinical council) To get in, you have to take a test, be > formally admitted, pass your courses, etc. They are very stringent > at most seminaries, whether Catholic or Protestant or Jewish. Just > reading the Bible doesn't get a person admitted. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: > 7/26/2008 4:18 PM From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 21:26:57 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:26:57 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com><8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <20080727203038.7DF9844C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <17B8360AEA364352A2ACB06C0C337143@MainXPPro> >>Don said-- >>> I was just imagining what Baracks former pastor would say bout >>>Israel, the Jews and Baracks visit to the wall. (I shudder...) > >> Don't shudder, and let's avoid the usual right wing talking points, >> shall we? >>What I'm seeing here.... > >>Those that support Obama are defending him, those not so are not... >And that really bothers me -- it wasn't intended to be a referendum >on whether we like a candidate. Who mentioned "right wing talking points"? I didn't..... From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 21:46:07 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:46:07 -0400 Subject: Oldies Message-ID: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com> What is "Oldies" today? And who decides? I visit the folks in the Town-a-Dracut often and last time was listening to Oldies 103. Have they morphed back to more of their former core songs? Also, is there a station (format) focusing on the New Wave late-70s to mid-80s? Sirius 22 "First Wave" is an example of that - would target the demo between say, 35-49. I hear that demo has some cash. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 27 22:43:41 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:43:41 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, , <488CB88B.8010909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <488CFA1D.11828.A8032B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jul 2008 at 14:03, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Dan Billings wrote: > > I don't think any politician who makes such a prayer in the middle > > of a campaign is doing it for private reasons. > I agree with Dan on this. But I will add that the issue should be > taken to wherever that Rabbinical student is "studying." This guy > wants to lead others down a spiritual path? He needs a little work > first. I don't know about the rabbinical student, but apparently the Israeli Attorney General has been petitioned to open a criminal investigation against the newspaper. http://tinyurl.com/5z8xwb It's interesting that the newspaper says that the prayer was approved for international publication before Obama put it in the Wall. As I said, Obama probably didn't intend it to be private. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 27 22:43:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:43:38 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <488CFA1A.11787.A7F9D4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jul 2008 at 9:53, Sid Schweiger wrote: > I have no idea what his intent was, but IIRC the custom is that all > prayers inserted into the Wall are considered private communications > between the person and G-d. Yes, they are regularly removed, but the > messags are not read and are burned, the same thing that happens to > damaged Torahs, Megillot and other sacred texts (the significance > being that fire rises upward from the item being consumed, symbolizing > its return to G-d). I thought they were buried. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 27 23:07:09 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:07:09 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488CFA1A.11787.A7F9D4@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <488CFA1A.11787.A7F9D4@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18573.14301.244380.134334@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> messags are not read and are burned, the same thing that happens to >> damaged Torahs, Megillot and other sacred texts (the significance >> being that fire rises upward from the item being consumed, symbolizing >> its return to G-d). > I thought they were buried. This reminds me of a fascinating story told on "This American Life" last year (and rerun last month) by Shalom Auslander. The synopsis from the Web site says: As a boy in religious school, Shalom Auslander is informed that his name, Shalom, is one of the names of God; so he must be very careful not to take his own name in vain. Shalom Auslander is author of Beware of God: Stories and most recently Foreskin's Lament. (9 minutes) -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 23:41:24 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:41:24 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <17B8360AEA364352A2ACB06C0C337143@MainXPPro> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC><20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com><8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com><20080727203038.7DF9844C14D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <17B8360AEA364352A2ACB06C0C337143@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <00be01c8f063$cfc56d70$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> > >>Those that support Obama are defending him, those not so are not... > > >And that really bothers me -- it wasn't intended to be a > referendum on > >whether we like a candidate. > > Who mentioned "right wing talking points"? I didn't..... > What I see here is that most of the respondents are making it clear that their answer about the event is non-partisan: 1. Both parties use events like this for publicity purposes 2. Both parties carefully 3. Neither party is above staging the student aspect of it 4. If, by some fluke, the student was not connected to the campaign, the act was reprehensible As long as its in the press, what did he pray for? Brian No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jul 27 23:59:06 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:59:06 -0400 Subject: On air faux pas -oops Message-ID: <00c501c8f066$495aff90$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> While doing tonight's Sunday Night Chill on WMWM, an accidental slip in a backsell produced a mildly humorous result - I played David Benoit performing "Human Nature" and announced that Michael Jackson had originally done it on his "Man in the Minor" CD. Hey, with bi-focals mirror and minor look the same on my notes... Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jul 28 00:02:00 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <18573.14301.244380.134334@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D21@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><488CFA1A.11787.A7F9D4@joe.attorneyross.com> <18573.14301.244380.134334@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7CC7950F367645E3A940097460A9131E@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:07 PM Subject: RE: could I get an opinion? > This reminds me of a fascinating story told on "This American Life" > last year (and rerun last month) by Shalom Auslander. The synopsis > from the Web site says: > > As a boy in religious school, Shalom Auslander is informed > that his name, Shalom, is one of the names of God; so he must > be very careful not to take his own name in vain. Shalom > Auslander is author of Beware of God: Stories and most > recently Foreskin's Lament. (9 minutes) > > A great story. Definitely worth a listen for those who have not heard it. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Jul 27 23:50:28 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:50:28 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488CD6E4.6070900@gmail.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20080726231810.EAF011BA8E4@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <488BD13C.18441.690E88@joe.attorneyross.com> <5730407C9C3B4F10A7CA5555D40702DA@DanBillingsPC> <20080727164620.CAEA61D2F71@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8bce0fe80807271046m4c67e879s345a3eb9f1ec5c9b@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80807271123u3c930286n1b8b49b1fd5435be@mail.gmail.com> <37001D40F0824AC9846878E3E20154DE@DanBillingsPC> <39A4BCD8-58B6-42E6-8E96-887C6E883D62@charter.net> <488CD6E4.6070900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <488D4204.2040206@gabrielmass.com> On 07/27/2008 04:13 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Going to the wall was a genuinely good thing for Obama to do. Scripting > a prayer was also admirable. Expecting privacy was a rookie call. Obama, a savvy guy, probably knows that his right to privacy had no protection in the situation, and probably wrote his prayer with the full understanding that it could end up in the press. That doesn't make it more or less sincere; it just means that he wouldn't feel free to put anything sensitive on paper. If you want maximum privacy, even in talking to God, you have to follow Howie's Mafia maxim: don't write if you can speak.... --rc From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jul 28 01:39:17 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:39:17 -0400 Subject: On air faux pas -oops In-Reply-To: <00c501c8f066$495aff90$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> References: <00c501c8f066$495aff90$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <6C2DFA5A-4912-4036-A55F-2C97876A3E71@charter.net> Actually, there's a couple of errors here. "Human Nature" was originally on the "Thriller" album. There was never an album entitled "Man In The Mirror" (or Man in the Minor either.) That was a track from the "Bad" album. Just sayin'... Dave Tomm "Joel Whitburn" On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > While doing tonight's Sunday Night Chill on WMWM, an accidental > slip in a > backsell produced a mildly humorous result - I played David Benoit > performing "Human Nature" and announced that Michael Jackson had > originally > done it on his "Man in the Minor" CD. Hey, with bi-focals mirror > and minor > look the same on my notes... > From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jul 28 02:06:09 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:06:09 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> Oldies has evolved into Classic Hits in many markets. Stations like WCBS-FM/New York have shifted focus to a primarily 70's based format with a few mid to late 60's and compatible 80's tracks included for spice. There's absolutely nothing before 1964 on most "oldies" stations nowadays. Even Scott Shannon's True Oldies format isn't going back as far musically as it once did. The format has had to evolve in order to stay relevant in the 25-54 demo. The strange thing is, the money demos aren't listening to classic hits, even with the changes. Here in Boston, believe it or not, Kiss 108 and Jam'n 94.5 do very well in that demo, which is unusual. Current-based hit stations normally target 18-34, but it seems even 40 somethings are listening to them recently. My wife is 42 and she bounces back and forth between WXKS-FM and WJMN. She won't even tune in Mix or Magic, never mind 103.3. Too old, she says. This is not a local phenomenon either. Z100/New York is also in the top 3 25-54 on a consistent basis. Same thing with KIIS-FM in Los Angeles. As far as new wave goes, there's been a couple of attempts nationally over the years to come up with an "classic alternative" format concentrating on post punk and new wave but none have been successful. Keep in mind most of this music was fairly edgy and unfamiliar to most of the country, Boston being a notable exception. Sure, there were the crossover songs that made it to Top 40, but not enough of them to sustain a format 24/7. There simply aren't enough listeners to support this kind of format. I suppose a station here in Boston could try it, but when you consider WBOS is currently running a 90's based retro alternative format right now and it hasn't really made much impact so far, I can't see an 80's version working here either. It would make a good HD2 channel for WBOS, WBCN or WFNX though. I'm a big fan of that music and between my personal collection on the I-pod (which is huge), several internet streams I occasionally visit on I-Tunes and Music Choice "Retroactive" on cable, I probably wouldn't listen to a terrestrial version of it even if it was out there.... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > What is "Oldies" today? And who decides? I visit the folks in the > Town-a-Dracut often and last time was listening to Oldies 103. > Have they morphed back to more of their former core songs? > Also, is there a station (format) focusing on the New Wave late-70s > to mid-80s? Sirius 22 "First Wave" is an example of that - would > target the demo between say, 35-49. I hear that demo has some cash. > From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Jul 28 08:58:12 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:58:12 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com> <31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> Message-ID: <9ff2be350807280558v36b57c5fi208dd451d0e910d2@mail.gmail.com> On 7/28/08, David Tomm wrote: > Oldies has evolved into Classic Hits in many markets. Stations like > WCBS-FM/New York have shifted focus to a primarily 70's based format with a > few mid to late 60's and compatible 80's tracks included for spice. There's > absolutely nothing before 1964 on most "oldies" stations nowadays. Even > Scott Shannon's True Oldies format isn't going back as far musically as it > once did. The format has had to evolve in order to stay relevant in the > 25-54 demo. > > The strange thing is, the money demos aren't listening to classic hits, even > with the changes. Here in Boston, believe it or not, Kiss 108 and Jam'n > 94.5 do very well in that demo, which is unusual. Current-based hit > stations normally target 18-34, but it seems even 40 somethings are > listening to them recently. My wife is 42 and she bounces back and forth > between WXKS-FM and WJMN. She won't even tune in Mix or Magic, never mind > 103.3. Too old, she says. This is not a local phenomenon either. I'm out of the so-called "money demo" these days, and even I rarely listen to gold-based formats. Pre-1964 oldies--forget it!! Even classic rock/classic hits (roughly 1967-thru-1980) sounds kind of dated to me. Guess I'm one "pushing 60" geezer who still likes relatively comtemporary music. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 09:02:45 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:02:45 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com> <31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> Message-ID: <488DC375.20304@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > It would make a good HD2 channel for WBOS, WBCN or WFNX though. I'm a > big fan of that music and between my personal collection on the I-pod > (which is huge), several internet streams I occasionally visit on > I-Tunes and Music Choice "Retroactive" on cable, I probably wouldn't > listen to a terrestrial version of it even if it was out there... Great point about HD2s. If that kept up, with stations pushing the limits a bit on their new channels, I could even consider dropping satellite radio. Can't hurt the men and women of the sales departments to have a broader package of sound to sell. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 28 09:24:49 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:24:49 -0400 Subject: Oldies References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com><31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> <488DC375.20304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> Or can it? If each HDn (where n>1) is counted as a new "signal" (and I think, technically, it really IS a new signal, even though it does not involve a new channel assignment or a new broadcast license), isn't there at least a possibility that the plethora of signals in an already over-radioded market (especially over-radioded if you add Internet audio streams, iPods, and satellite to the existing terrestrial signals and competitors' HDn signals) will drive down the average price per spot, thus reducing the revenue a station can derive from the larger number of availabilities it now needs to sell? I don't think iBiquity or the major radio groups that bankrolled it ever really considered this somewhat counter-intuitive effect. But for sure, if the effect exists, the down market in radio revenues will only accentiate it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "David Tomm" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Oldies > Great point about HD2s. If that kept up, with stations pushing the > limits a bit on their new channels, I could even consider dropping > satellite radio. Can't hurt the men and women of the sales > departments to have a broader package of sound to sell. > > Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 09:51:21 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com><31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> <488DC375.20304@gmail.com> <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <488DCED9.7010806@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't > think iBiquity or the major radio groups that bankrolled it ever > really considered this somewhat counter-intuitive effect. But for > sure, if the effect exists, the down market in radio revenues will > only accentiate it. If branding still matters to listeners (and, for that matter, broadcasters) then they could sell it. For instance, a main signal that features classical could offer HD options that complement, e.g., new age, opera, etc. There could be well-designed cross-packaging (learning a bit from Sirius) such that you are selling all of your signals to the same person at the same time. I can see your point, however, that pure volume of options can dilute paint share. Otoh, if the main signal shares HDs with completely unrelated offerings, then it would be tougher to cross-plug for a ton of reasons. VPR and VPR Classical have done an amazing job at complementing two separate services (some on HDs others on stand-alones) but it's the same concept. All of this may be more likely to work in a heritage radio market (regardless of rank or size) where change has been slow to occur. If a small market local were to survive the cost of upgrading and were to assign long form audio segments from municipal meetings, etc., may seem like drying paint radio but it's the same listener now with two or more reasons to stay with your brand versus going out of house for another. And with ease in programming HD radio tuners.... It just takes some patience. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 28 10:20:02 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:20:02 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com><31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net> <488DC375.20304@gmail.com> <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <001601c8f0bd$0706caf0$151460d0$@com> > Or can it? If each HDn (where n>1) is counted as a new "signal" (and I > think, technically, it really IS a new signal, even though it does not > involve a new channel assignment or a new broadcast license), isn't > there at least a possibility that the plethora of signals in an > already over-radioded market (especially over-radioded if you add > Internet audio streams, iPods, and satellite to the existing > terrestrial signals and competitors' HDn signals) will drive down the > average price per spot, thus reducing the revenue a station can derive > from the larger number of availabilities it now needs to sell? [Brian Vita] I don't agree. I think that it gives both the advertiser and the radio station a wider menu. For example (I have no idea if they are actually bundling this way - just hypothetical) I could buy time on Magic/Magic HD-1 I could buy time on Magic/Magic HD-1/HD-2 I could buy time on all of GM's Boston FM and FM HD-1 stations I could buy time on all of GM's Boston FM, FM HD-1 and FM HD-2 stations The bundling/unbundling would let me target my demo or go as wide as I like. If I'm buying for a carwash, everything would make sense. If I'm buying for Jheri curl, chances are that WKLB won't be my demo. Brian From wvnh@wvnh.net Mon Jul 28 08:26:39 2008 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:26:39 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488DBAFF.8030109@wvnh.net> > Subject: Oldies > From: "Bill O'Neill" > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:46:07 -0400 > > What is "Oldies" today? And who decides? I visit the folks in the > Town-a-Dracut often and last time was listening to Oldies 103. Have > they morphed back to more of their former core songs? > Also, is there a station (format) focusing on the New Wave late-70s to > mid-80s? Sirius 22 "First Wave" is an example of that - would target the > demo between say, 35-49. I hear that demo has some cash. > > Bill O'Neill I haven't listened to Oldies 103 in several years. I was turned off completely by their limited playlist. I kept hearing the same oldies over and over, sometimes the same song twice on the same day. Because of that, a searched for another station that could hold my interest and found North Shore 104.9 (WBOQ) out of Beverly. I enjoy Charlie Curtis and put up with Jacky Ankeles only because of the music that she plays. It's refreshing to hear some songs from the 60's and 70's that didn't necessarily break into the Top 20, things like follow-up songs and instrumentals. WNNH was a lot like that until their recent switch to Frank-FM. Too bad. Now I find them unlistenable, too. Jack From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 11:28:10 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350807280558v36b57c5fi208dd451d0e910d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <832187.54459.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I guess I'm rather unusual in terms of musical taste. I'm 48 and I love the original rock and roll from the FIRST quarter-century of rock (1954-1979). I can't say that I really listen to stations like WJMN, WPRO-FM or WXKS-FM. It all sounds the same to me. Same beat, same rap.... whatever. While in college (late 70's early 80's), I enjoyed the current rock material of the time on WAAF, WCCC-FM and WCOZ (before Sebastian). And yes, I hated disco. About the best description of my musical taste would be the first format of WKKT/WZLX "Classic Hits 100.7" back in '85. It was a perfect blend of the 60's and 70's and a little bit of the late 50's. Kinda like the soundtrack of "The Big Chill", with a little bit of retro. There is still an audience for the pre-1964 material. That's why smaller stations like WARE/1250 and WXRB/95.1 are there to serve the niche for those who like the original rock and roll. Hopefully, WODS will finally put their pre-Beatles format on the HD2 as well. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Mon, 7/28/08, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > From: SteveOrdinetz > Subject: Re: Oldies > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 8:58 AM > On 7/28/08, David Tomm > wrote: > > Oldies has evolved into Classic Hits in many markets. > Stations like > > WCBS-FM/New York have shifted focus to a primarily > 70's based format with a > > few mid to late 60's and compatible 80's > tracks included for spice. There's > > absolutely nothing before 1964 on most > "oldies" stations nowadays. Even > > Scott Shannon's True Oldies format isn't going > back as far musically as it > > once did. The format has had to evolve in order to > stay relevant in the > > 25-54 demo. > > > > The strange thing is, the money demos aren't > listening to classic hits, even > > with the changes. Here in Boston, believe it or not, > Kiss 108 and Jam'n > > 94.5 do very well in that demo, which is unusual. > Current-based hit > > stations normally target 18-34, but it seems even 40 > somethings are > > listening to them recently. My wife is 42 and she > bounces back and forth > > between WXKS-FM and WJMN. She won't even tune in > Mix or Magic, never mind > > 103.3. Too old, she says. This is not a local > phenomenon either. > > I'm out of the so-called "money demo" these > days, and even I rarely > listen to gold-based formats. Pre-1964 oldies--forget it!! > Even > classic rock/classic hits (roughly 1967-thru-1980) sounds > kind of > dated to me. Guess I'm one "pushing 60" > geezer who still likes > relatively comtemporary music. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 12:35:57 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:35:57 -0400 Subject: Oldies References: <832187.54459.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DB485D42F34887BD207070AEA7B4B4@MainXPPro> >> Hopefully, WODS will finally put their pre-Beatles format on the HD2 as >> well. I think they have to get their main channel back on track before they start thinking about HD2. WODS, from what I understand, has had one of it's worst books. From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Jul 28 13:11:24 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:11:24 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CABEEC18B0962F-B94-1E87@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> I'm with Peter George on the oldies topic. Early rock / doo-wop still sounds great, though I enjoy some new stuff as well - though presently slanted more towards country than rap / hard rock. I even enjoy "pre-rock": old blues, ancient country, folk, western swing, big bands, post-war jazz (like Miles, Mingus, and Monk), and classical. I have some old Bill Marlowe airchecks which I can still enjoy immensely. Talent is still talent. Nat King Cole and Frank Sinatra will stand the test of time when everybody has forgotten who Eminem is. Too bad so little of this is on the radio. That's what iTunes and Collectors' Choice are for, I guess. One thing oldies stations had trouble with when they went into a mostly post-Beatles era mode was that those who would have been unified behind their local Top 40 and its playlist in the '50s and much of the '60s really started fragmenting into a lot of different niches once the '70s came around. It has largely remained this way since. The typical '70s representation on WODS is what would be termed mostly adult contemporary / pop. By the time the '70s arrived for me, I was in college listening to a lot of WBCN. Top 40 seemed too mellow or too bubblegum. Even with a few of its jocks like Garabedian trying to put an edge on it, it became irrelevant to many by mid-decade when disco, Captain and Tennille, etc. were a big factor. In the early '70s I was listening to Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith and southern rock (Allmans, etc.). British folk influences in Jethro Tull, Genesis, and the Moody Blues got me to dig in deeper and find Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention, Gentle Giant, Gryphon, Strawbs, etc. (and eventually pure Celtic stuff). I was listening to Donna Halper on WCAS, Maxanne Sartori on WBCN, Mark Parenteau on WCOZ, and John Garabedian on WMEX (and later on his own WGTR). That was my '70s. Nothing whatever to do with the '70s stuff WODS plays now. The '80s found me a little closer to mainstream with Duran Duran, Dire Straits, U2, etc. and in the '90s I was listening to R.E.M., Green Day, and Gin Blossoms among others. An '80s / '90s retro format can be good listening for me since it is less likely to be out of sync with my tastes than a '70s one. With all of this said, I still feel that Summer of '67, both on the progressive side and in Top 40 Land, still rules. Of course most people are going to have a soft spot for whatever music they were hooked into at age 18. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << I guess I'm rather unusual in terms of musical taste. I'm 48 and I love the original rock and roll from the FIRST quarter-century of rock (1954-1979). I can't say that I really listen to stations like WJMN, WPRO-FM or WXKS-FM. It all sounds the same to me. Same beat, same rap.... whatever. While in college (late 70's early 80's), I enjoyed the current rock material of the time on WAAF, WCCC-FM and WCOZ (before Sebastian). And yes, I hated disco. About the best description of my musical taste would be the first format of WKKT/WZLX "Classic Hits 100.7" back in '85. It was a perfect blend of the 60's and 70's and a little bit of the late 50's. Kinda like the soundtrack of "The Big Chill", with a little bit of retro. There is still an audience for the pre-1964 material. That's why smaller stations like WARE/1250 and WXRB/95.1 are there to serve the niche for those who like the original rock and roll. Hopefully, WODS will finally put their pre-Beatles format on the HD2 as well. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** >> From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 13:49:28 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: oldies Message-ID: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think one of the biggest problems with the format is that they're looking for an audience (seemingly 25-40) that by it's very nature will reject anything that's oldies. They may think a cut or two is cool, but then they're on to Jam'n or Kiss. Or worse - their Ipods. I'm constantly running into people under 30 who didn't know what the weather would be in the case of an impending storm because they're so dependent on Mp3 and Ipods. I'm 42, cannot stand disco or hard rock. Anytime I hear KC and the Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3 I'm outta there. I prefer more of the Lost 45s stuff for my oldies. There are days I feel like a fossil when I listen to the radio. From tcoco@whav.net Mon Jul 28 12:21:13 2008 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:21:13 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> References: <488D24DF.4050708@gmail.com><31E9FD4D-C0B1-427E-BBFC-07772F536177@charter.net><488DC375.20304@gmail.com> <08874EB61821420A8A7738D8A530B839@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <0F746BB8BB014BF0B94541BEE171B126@CEO> Although it wasn't called "oldies" then, the WSSH format of about 1982 was an interesting one that might be "reincarnated" to appeal to those in search of oldies today -- minus the standards, perhaps. I'm speaking of the post-instrumental version of WSSH's format with the Stylistics, Dionne Warwick, James Taylor, Frankie Valli, et al. Bill, did you have a role in that? It doesn't sound like the mix appeals to anyone who has responded so far to this thread, but I'm not sure this list is the ideal focus group. :) I am using some of that playlist, reconstructed to the best of my recollection, now. I have heard from quite a few in the younger demographic who like "the happy music." Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV 189 Ward Hill Avenue Ward Hill, MA 01835-6973 Telephone: (978) 374-2111 Fax: (978) 521-4636 www.whav.net "WHAVR" and "WHAV.NET" are registered service marks. -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:25 AM To: Bill O'Neill; David Tomm Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Oldies Or can it? If each HDn (where n>1) is counted as a new "signal" (and I think, technically, it really IS a new signal, even though it does not involve a new channel assignment or a new broadcast license), isn't there at least a possibility that the plethora of signals in an already over-radioded market (especially over-radioded if you add Internet audio streams, iPods, and satellite to the existing terrestrial signals and competitors' HDn signals) will drive down the average price per spot, thus reducing the revenue a station can derive from the larger number of availabilities it now needs to sell? I don't think iBiquity or the major radio groups that bankrolled it ever really considered this somewhat counter-intuitive effect. But for sure, if the effect exists, the down market in radio revenues will only accentiate it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "David Tomm" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Oldies > Great point about HD2s. If that kept up, with stations pushing the > limits a bit on their new channels, I could even consider dropping > satellite radio. Can't hurt the men and women of the sales > departments to have a broader package of sound to sell. > > Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 28 15:38:08 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:38:08 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm 42, cannot stand disco or hard rock. Anytime I hear KC and the > Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3 I'm outta there. I prefer more of the > Lost 45s stuff for my oldies. There are days I feel like a fossil > when I listen to the radio. My mother is 57 and she doesn't listen to oldies radio at all -- says it's "too old" (whatever that means). When I hear her listening to the radio, it's always Magic or Lite. My father, 62, is much more into the music of his teenage years, perhaps because he was a musician himself back then. (His inability to remember lyrics notwithstanding.) -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 15:45:32 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:45:32 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <488E21DC.1010200@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > My mother is 57 and she doesn't listen to oldies radio at all -- says > it's "too old" (whatever that means). When I hear her listening to > the radio, it's always Magic or Lite. My father, 62, is much more > into the music of his teenage years, perhaps because he was a musician > himself back then. (His inability to remember lyrics > notwithstanding.) > My folks are in their 80s and often said that about "old" music throughout the years. Even "Swing" would get tired. My dad once said, "You know, we don't need any more reminders that we're rounding third." The late great George Carlin once said, "Super GOLD! To make you feel OLD!" Real people and radio consulting... what a concept. Bill O'Neill From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Jul 28 16:20:31 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:20:31 -0400 Subject: oldies Message-ID: <8CABF0684E057D1-143C-287@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Maybe I'm strange but hearing the tunes I liked as a teenager makes me feel younger than older. The gym treadmill speed is usually stepped upwards if I'm cranking "Liar Liar" by the Castaways, "Hey Joe" by the Leaves, "Live" by the Merry-go-Round, and any number of other high-school-era hits, especially of the garage-rock type. Luckily many of these are on Rhino's Nuggets CD series (even if they aren't on the radio). I'm of the opinion that great music can come from anywhere at any time. There are certainly enough things that I like that pre-date me by quite a few years. Gene Krupa was wailing on the drums in the Carnegie Hall live version of "Sing, Sing, Sing" from Benny Goodman's band way before I got here, but I still think it's an outstanding cut. And if Charlie Parker's "Night in Tunisia" isn't on Jam'n, that's their loss. Magic 106.7 is largely snoozeville to me. Where's the excitement there ? Ditto for WODS. When's the last time they played "Turn On Your Love Light" by Bobby Bland or "Temptation" by the Everly Brothers or anything else from '61, a year I feel is severely underrated (being after Presley's peak and pre-Beatles). I'm fairly close to Garrett's folks' age range. Would I trade Marvin Gaye's "Can I Get a Witness" of late '63 for the whooey they play on Magic ? When pigs fly ! Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Garrett Wollman wrote: > My mother is 57 and she doesn't listen to oldies radio at all -- says > it's "too old" (whatever that means). When I hear her listening to > the radio, it's always Magic or Lite. My father, 62, is much more > into the music of his teenage years, perhaps because he was a musician > himself back then. (His inability to remember lyrics > notwithstanding.) > My folks are in their 80s and often said that about "old" music throughout the years. Even "Swing" would get tired. My dad once said, "You know, we don't need any more reminders that we're rounding third." The late great George Carlin once said, "Super GOLD! To make you feel OLD!" Real people and radio consulting... what a concept. Bill O'Neill >> From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jul 28 16:27:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:27:26 -0500 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807281327o3b932a9dw109270678cff90c1@mail.gmail.com> I know a 25 year old who loves all forms of music and has not listened to a radio station since she moved to Boston a year ago. Compounding this is people with expendable income in the magic age demo are also more likely to have an ipod or satellite radio. I have to admit if I want an oldies fix I tune in XM 6 or 7. They continue to play songs I haven't heard in decades. WODS was born because 21 years ago shows by Joe Martelle and Jim Sands did well but that audience has aged. However the industry hasn't figured out that the people who still listen to radio were brought up on RKO MEX BCN whatever. College kids today do not listen to radio. Meanwhile what is left of the MOR audience is listening to WJIB. Has Arbitron released any trial PPM ratings in Boston like they have done in other markets? From atolz@comcast.net Mon Jul 28 20:40:15 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:40:15 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> I'm guessing that "radio" will be in the audio content delivery business over wireless internet in cars and through your computers, laptops and cellphones as well. The basic tenants of audio entertainment/information will still be there and the winners will be those who are the best branded, LOCAL providers. Just because a more egalitarian delivery system than transmitters and towers will reign won't change what people want - A connection with a personality, their immediate geographical area, and their favorite audio entertainment, whether it's music, talk, sports, news, whatever. If you can stand out as a provider by way of any of these factors, people will listen. They'll listen on their radios until wi-fi is ubiquitous because radio is FREE. That's what keeps radio alive now, FREE and LOCAL entertainment and information delivery. Alan Tolz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? > > > As technology progresses, and real-time traffic, weather, and sports > becomes readily - and more easily - available in a mobile environment; > where music is available from a personal play-list, or provided (wireless) > through an internet entity; where "news" becomes a "social > platform" that allows anyone anywhere to be a "reporter;" > what does "radio" do? What is its purpose? Its meaning? > > I'm not trying - as many others have done in the past - to predict > the death of radio, but rather I'm wondering how it will change, adapt, > remain relevant. And I'm asking you, esteemed list members, what the > future holds. What will radio be live five, twenty, or fifty years from > now? > > Mike > From lspin@comcast.net Mon Jul 28 21:37:50 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:37:50 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <47DB485D42F34887BD207070AEA7B4B4@MainXPPro> References: <832187.54459.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47DB485D42F34887BD207070AEA7B4B4@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <002a01c8f11b$b7f755b0$27e60110$@net> I can tell that WODS must be hurting in the ratings - I finally like what they're doing. It's been a slow process, but they seem to be re-assembling the talent from 1970s WRKO. They've got Dorman and JJ Wright, and I've heard Harry Nelson there several times in the past few weeks. I'm not sure if he's permanent, though. I never cared for him in the 70s... I think he was just representative of the awful (to me) WRKO format. But I am gushing with nostalgia hearing him now. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:36 PM I think they have to get their main channel back on track before they start thinking about HD2. WODS, from what I understand, has had one of it's worst books. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 28 21:45:34 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:45:34 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just because a more egalitarian delivery system than transmitters > and towers will reign won't change what people want - A connection > with a personality, their immediate geographical area, and their > favorite audio entertainment, whether it's music, talk, sports, > news, whatever. Radio people often say that, since it's the one thing that radio as a medium offers that other media don't. It's not at all clear to me that this is true of many people under the age of 35 (no matter what the NAB's annual exposure studies may say). My experience among the younger people I work with (admittedly a biased sample consisting mainly of technophiles) is that what they want for audio entertainment is very simple: the music they like, 24x7. No personality -- in fact, no talk at all; *definitely* no advertising. Certainly no "crap" music (by whatever that particular listener's definition is). In other words, they are perfectly happy with their iPods, thank you very much, and don't have much interest in what radio -- at least, commercial radio -- thinks it has to offer them. The one sort of conventional radio that does seem to capture at least some of the 18-34s I know is public radio. And not the too-hip-by-half public-radio programming that is supposedly directed at that demo, either: we're talking regular ME & ATC & Car Talk public-radio listeners here. (But these people are generally not listening via conventional broadcast; streaming and podcasts are the technologies of choice, which may bode ill for terrestrial public stations.) -GAWollman From lspin@comcast.net Mon Jul 28 21:51:13 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:51:13 -0400 Subject: Oldies In-Reply-To: <832187.54459.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <9ff2be350807280558v36b57c5fi208dd451d0e910d2@mail.gmail.com> <832187.54459.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8f11d$962e2010$c28a6030$@net> There is always WATD reaching far back and deep for really-old oldies. They even go the next step at night playing Blues and Blues-flavored oldies. It gets to be a bit too deep for me. And there is an outstanding selection of music on internet "radio." The station "Kool Mix Radio," plays the obligatory 60s-70s-80s, but there is a real emphasis on 60s. And they go deep into 60s Top 40 hits. You *will* find yourself saying, "Oh Wow!" Also being a child of FM-Album-Rock radio, you should check out "Boomer Radio - Vintage Rock." They have a really amazing selection of the album-rock that I still love to hear. I'd swear that they pull their music from my collection. Of course the things that are missing with internet radio are: You can't hear it in your car. (Yet) No live voices... And that's what I miss most. I've always felt that I can play all this music on my own, but the thing that makes it special are the voices and stuff that goes on in-between the songs. I guess that's why most of us are here. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Peter Q. George Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:28 AM I guess I'm rather unusual in terms of musical taste. I'm 48 and I love the original rock and roll from the FIRST quarter-century of rock (1954-1979). I can't say that I really listen to stations like WJMN, WPRO-FM or WXKS-FM. It all sounds the same to me. Same beat, same rap.... whatever. While in college (late 70's early 80's), I enjoyed the current rock material of the time on WAAF, WCCC-FM and WCOZ (before Sebastian). And yes, I hated disco. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jul 28 23:41:57 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:41:57 -0500 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> Message-ID: <4fc429770807282041u4419046dkb1d3c4c38ccfbdce@mail.gmail.com> I think there will always be a place for a local full service news outlet like WBZ which is just so established. Virtually everyone I know has BZ as a preset in the car. WEEI is also successful because it is local. That said it is amazing that Julie and Jason haven't figured that out with WRKO. I would wager that Howie's numbers would jump if they dumped the limited syndication and just focused on Boston. I have no idea how Howie does in Burlington ( and I think he is on an hour delay there ) but why sacrifice listeners in Boston so Howie can have 100 listeners in Montreal? I listen to WRKO ONLY when they carry the Sox now. The station is simply unlistenable. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 00:41:44 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:41:44 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Message-ID: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> A new book details the history of baseball and television titled CENTER FIELD SHOT. It offers some interesting tidbits about early Boston TV. Professor Halper take note. It claims that the first televised games at Fenway date to 1931 and were done by a gentleman by the name of Hollis Baird who perhaps Donna knows of. Boston was a year behind most other major league cities as regular TV service did not begin until 1948. In 1949 WBZ/WNAC televised every Red Sox and Braves home games and the same applied in 1950. In 1951 and 1952 the Braves were only on WNAC and televised 54 afternnon games but nothing in prime time. However WBZ continued to air every Red Sox game and would bump NBC to do so and this continued through 1953. In 1954 WBZ first started doing road games (18) but the total telecasts remained at 77. The book also states that the production of the 1948 World Series by WNAC was so bad that baseball was considering no longer televising the games. However WEWS in Cleveland did a much better job of the games there. Gillette who owned the rights to the 1948 World Series wanted desperately to link the East and Midwest stations for the games but the cable linking NY and Chicago had not been completed. Mutual had both the radio and TV rights and offered the games to any station that wanted them. To link the east with the midwest Gillette turned to Westinghouse who devised a way to relay the games. WMAR in Baltimore fed the signal to a B-29 flying over Pennsylvania at 20000 feet who then transmitted the game on channel 6 which was picked up by WEWS in Cleveland and then fed to the Midwest. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 01:08:25 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:08:25 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 12:41 AM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >A new book details the history of baseball and television titled >CENTER FIELD SHOT. > >It offers some interesting tidbits about early Boston TV. Professor >Halper take note. > >It claims that the first televised games at Fenway date to 1931 and >were done by a gentleman by the name of Hollis Baird who perhaps Donna >knows of. Hollis Baird was an engineer who was involved with a Boston-based company (located for a time at 70 Brookline Ave) called Shortwave & Television. He did some early TV experiments with TV, one of which involved Big Brother Bob Emery in fact. He was NOT related to a Scottish inventor, John Logie Baird, who also was experimenting with mechanical TV around the same time-- Hollis Baird lived in Quincy, and had a long history as a broadcast engineer. Scroll down towards the bottom of this page http://www.tvhistory.tv/pre-1935.htm and you'll see some of what he was up to. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:14 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <00be01c8f063$cfc56d70$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <17B8360AEA364352A2ACB06C0C337143@MainXPPro>, <00be01c8f063$cfc56d70$6900a8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <488E7792.30086.9B5801@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jul 2008 at 23:41, Brian Vita wrote: > As long as its in the press, what did he pray for? http://tinyurl.com/6yb6gz -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:14 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <488E7792.23963.9B58CC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jul 2008 at 15:38, Garrett Wollman wrote: > My mother is 57 and she doesn't listen to oldies radio at all -- says > it's "too old" (whatever that means). When I hear her listening to > the radio, it's always Magic or Lite. My father, 62, is much more > into the music of his teenage years, perhaps because he was a musician > himself back then. (His inability to remember lyrics > notwithstanding.) Seesh! I'm older than your parents! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:14 -0400 Subject: could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <488D4204.2040206@gabrielmass.com> References: <18571.43520.903109.685969@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <488CD6E4.6070900@gmail.com>, <488D4204.2040206@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <488E7792.14492.9B59F5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jul 2008 at 23:50, Richard Chonak wrote: > If you want maximum privacy, even in talking to God, you have to > follow Howie's Mafia maxim: don't write if you can speak.... That was Boston Ward 8 boss Martin Lomasney's maxim: "Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink." Elliot Spitzer added, "Never put it in e-mail." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lomasney -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:14 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <488E21DC.1010200@gmail.com> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <18574.8224.865675.155236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <488E21DC.1010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <488E7792.12340.9B5B1E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jul 2008 at 15:45, Bill O'Neill wrote: > My folks are in their 80s and often said that about "old" music > throughout the years. Even "Swing" would get tired. My dad once said, > "You know, we don't need any more reminders that we're rounding > third." The late great George Carlin once said, "Super GOLD! To make > you feel OLD!" Real people and radio consulting... what a concept. Actually, the Oldies station in the Boston market is WCRB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:15 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:15 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807281327o3b932a9dw109270678cff90c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <879585.76620.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770807281327o3b932a9dw109270678cff90c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488E7793.22175.9B5CA4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jul 2008 at 15:27, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WODS was born because 21 years ago shows by Joe Martelle and Jim Sands > did well but that audience has aged. > > However the industry hasn't figured out that the people who still > listen to radio were brought up on RKO MEX BCN whatever. College kids > today do not listen to radio. Meanwhile what is left of the MOR > audience is listening to WJIB. And I listen to WCAP online. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 29 01:51:16 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:51:16 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488E7794.18549.9B60FA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jul 2008 at 23:41, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It claims that the first televised games at Fenway date to 1931 and > were done by a gentleman by the name of Hollis Baird who perhaps Donna > knows of. Wasn't he the guy that invented a rotating-wheel system of black and white television? > In 1951 and 1952 the Braves were only on WNAC and televised 54 > afternnon games but nothing in prime time. However WBZ continued to > air every Red Sox game and would bump NBC to do so and this continued > through 1953. Yes, and I remember getting very annoyed whenever there was a ball game on when I wanted to watch Howdy Doody. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 29 06:56:45 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:56:45 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Those who prefer iPods and similar music players have to devote a goodly amount of time and, I guess, money updating their collections of MP-3 files and the music mixes that their players provide them. Radio's advantage (though perhaps not yet with 20s), is that, in return for listening to commercials (or public radio beg-a-thons) and for giving up a lot of control over the music mix, listeners don't have to spend the time and money required to be their own program/music directors. Don't you think that, as these kids get a little older and acquire family responsibilities, which are highly demanding of both time and money, they will (perhaps reluctantly, but also at least partly out of boredom with playing PD/MD) relinquish their "night" jobs and largely abandon their iPods for entertainment they can access without the large expenditures of time, effort, and money. The delivery medium may not be terrestrial towers or satellites but, for technical reasons, I can guarantee that it won't be WiFi, which is a short-range technology that is unsuited to covering large metropolitan areas. WiMax may work, but it has already been the technology of the year for nearly a decade. To me, that doesn't sound like a good omen. You can make a good case that American society has never been especially tolerant of those who choose to live in a state of perpetual adolescence. Nevertheless, all of us do it to some extent, I guess. Even so, as the iPod generation matures, an unabated continuation of its love affair with iPods would seem to necessitate carrying that lifestyle to unprecedented lengths. I'm skeptical of the fad's durability--except in the age group (kids and teens) that has the time to squander on it and that doesn't have to earn the income needed to support it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: so, what is "radio" good for? > < said: > >> Just because a more egalitarian delivery system than transmitters >> and towers will reign won't change what people want - A connection >> with a personality, their immediate geographical area, and their >> favorite audio entertainment, whether it's music, talk, sports, >> news, whatever. > > Radio people often say that, since it's the one thing that radio as > a > medium offers that other media don't. It's not at all clear to me > that this is true of many people under the age of 35 (no matter what > the NAB's annual exposure studies may say). > > My experience among the younger people I work with (admittedly a > biased sample consisting mainly of technophiles) is that what they > want for audio entertainment is very simple: the music they like, > 24x7. No personality -- in fact, no talk at all; *definitely* no > advertising. Certainly no "crap" music (by whatever that particular > listener's definition is). In other words, they are perfectly happy > with their iPods, thank you very much, and don't have much interest > in > what radio -- at least, commercial radio -- thinks it has to offer > them. > > The one sort of conventional radio that does seem to capture at > least > some of the 18-34s I know is public radio. And not the > too-hip-by-half public-radio programming that is supposedly directed > at that demo, either: we're talking regular ME & ATC & Car Talk > public-radio listeners here. (But these people are generally not > listening via conventional broadcast; streaming and podcasts are the > technologies of choice, which may bode ill for terrestrial public > stations.) > > -GAWollman > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 08:43:11 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Message-ID: <893056.13244.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: ? "To link the east with the midwest Gillette turned to Westinghouse who devised a way to relay the games. WMAR in Baltimore fed the signal to a B-29 flying over Pennsylvania at 20000 feet who then transmitted the game on channel 6 which was picked up by WEWS in Cleveland and then fed to the Midwest." ? Ah, yes - Stratovision! It was to be Westinghouse's grand contribution to TV, a way to bypass the AT&T infrastructure. I'm not sure it would be a cost savings over renting regular broadcast lines given fuel and upkeep. And what would have happend if a plane was grounded for bad weather or mechanical issues? From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 09:07:17 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:07:17 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <893056.13244.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <893056.13244.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <488F1605.60106@gmail.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > And what would have happend if a plane was grounded for bad weather or mechanical issues? > Or if the pilot got bored and changed the channel.... b - From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 12:28:53 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:28:53 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:06 PM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Donna I take it he used the space at 70 Brookline Av later used by >WMEX and then NESN? ( and for a brief time the last days of WITS ) > >Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to the >other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by >1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. First, yes Hollis and friends used 70 Brookline Ave, although they also had another location briefly on Comm Ave. In 1938, they claimed ("they" meaning the guys in charge of Shortwavve & Television, including Baird and part-owner A.M. "Vic" Morgan) to have put the first "television theater" on the air. Second, my sense is that Westinghouse was really focused on developing FM and was slow to realise that TV was what mattered most to the average person. From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jul 29 12:58:37 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:58:37 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I-Pods are not a fad. They are here, and aren't going anywhere. Where older generations would take a trip to the record store, buy a few albums or tapes, and take them home and listen to them, all you have to do nowadays is click what you want online and download it straight to your computer and into the I-pod. It's not a long process. And it's not just "kids" that own them, either. I'm in my early 40's and have owned one for years. Heck, I bought my mom one and she loves it. I helped her rip her entire CD library into I- Tunes and transferred it to the I-Pod. She now buys tracks online, and even downloads podcasts! It's taken awhile to take hold but podcasts will soon become more mainstream, and again, the time commitment is minimal. I subscribe to several talk show podcasts, which are delivered into my I-Tunes automatically and updated daily. It takes just a few seconds while checking email to download them into my I-Pod. I now have hours of content to listen to at my leisure, with no spackle and paste spots to trudge through. The same thing could be done with music as well. The trend in the next few years is to make I-Pods even quicker, easier and more convenient to use, knowing this generation will have time constraints put upon them as they age. Unlike terrestrial radio, which has been resistant to change, the digital universe is constantly evolving. It may take awhile, but a workable digital delivery system will emerge in this country because the marketplace will demand it. Today's I-Phone and similar products can store a music/podcast library, but also access the web. It will only get faster with more choices as time goes on. It's completely portable and can be patched into most car sound systems on newer vehicles. The future is bright for digital program delivery. Terrestrial radio? Not so much... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Don't you think that, as these kids get a > little older and acquire family responsibilities, which are highly > demanding of both time and money, they will (perhaps reluctantly, but > also at least partly out of boredom with playing PD/MD) relinquish > their "night" jobs and largely abandon their iPods for entertainment > they can access without the large expenditures of time, effort, and > money. > > The delivery medium may not be terrestrial towers or satellites but, > for technical reasons, I can guarantee that it won't be WiFi, which is > a short-range technology that is unsuited to covering large > metropolitan areas. WiMax may work, but it has already been the > technology of the year for nearly a decade. To me, that doesn't sound > like a good omen. > > You can make a good case that American society has never been > especially tolerant of those who choose to live in a state of > perpetual adolescence. Nevertheless, all of us do it to some extent, I > guess. Even so, as the iPod generation matures, an unabated > continuation of its love affair with iPods would seem to necessitate > carrying that lifestyle to unprecedented lengths. I'm skeptical of the > fad's durability--except in the age group (kids and teens) that has > the time to squander on it and that doesn't have to earn the income > needed to support it. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 12:06:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:06:34 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> Donna I take it he used the space at 70 Brookline Av later used by WMEX and then NESN? ( and for a brief time the last days of WITS ) No shock that Westinghouse would bump NBC for Red Sox games as Westinghouse and NBC always had some friction. Obviously RKO General didn't want to upset CBS so they didn't show prime time Braves games. My best guess is RKO knew sooner or later Channel 5 would be approved by the FCC and didn't want CBS to move there ( which of course they finally did around 1960 ) To show how times have changed both the Red Sox and Braves turned down rights fees that were offered ( around 30K ) in 1948 not to anger the radio sponsors. Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to the other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by 1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. On 7/29/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:41 AM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>A new book details the history of baseball and television titled >>CENTER FIELD SHOT. >> >>It offers some interesting tidbits about early Boston TV. Professor >>Halper take note. >> >>It claims that the first televised games at Fenway date to 1931 and >>were done by a gentleman by the name of Hollis Baird who perhaps Donna >>knows of. > > Hollis Baird was an engineer who was involved with a Boston-based > company (located for a time at 70 Brookline Ave) called Shortwave & > Television. He did some early TV experiments with TV, one of which > involved Big Brother Bob Emery in fact. He was NOT related to a > Scottish inventor, John Logie Baird, who also was experimenting with > mechanical TV around the same time-- Hollis Baird lived in Quincy, > and had a long history as a broadcast engineer. Scroll down towards > the bottom of this page http://www.tvhistory.tv/pre-1935.htm and > you'll see some of what he was up to. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:01:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:01:29 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807291001q6c7f8a26t1eeab933722b4b03@mail.gmail.com> Irony of Westinghouse and FM is they never had a clue what to do with it (at least in Boston) 106.7 as WBZ-FM tried a little bit of everything but it was a complete afterhought by management. They finally unloaded it to Greater Media for short money and GM struck gold with WMJX On 7/29/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:06 PM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Donna I take it he used the space at 70 Brookline Av later used by >>WMEX and then NESN? ( and for a brief time the last days of WITS ) >> >>Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to the >>other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by >>1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. > > First, yes Hollis and friends used 70 Brookline Ave, although they > also had another location briefly on Comm Ave. In 1938, they claimed > ("they" meaning the guys in charge of Shortwavve & Television, > including Baird and part-owner A.M. "Vic" Morgan) to have put the > first "television theater" on the air. > > Second, my sense is that Westinghouse was really focused on > developing FM and was slow to realise that TV was what mattered most > to the average person. > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 29 13:27:50 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:27:50 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" Subject: Re: so, what is "radio" good for? >(snip) The future is bright for digital program delivery. Terrestrial >radio? Not so much... > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" Dave/Mike - at least for the time being, with costs of living far exceeding wage increases, terrestrial radio is free, local and timely. let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. --Chuck Igo not resistant to change - just looking for it under the sofa cushions and in-between the car's seats. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 29 13:38:33 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:38:33 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com><20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <6C6CC72B4D394D57931A3E6240FB6BEC@SatU205S5044> Well, if Westinghouse was focused on FM in the 40s, they certainly did an about face within the next decade or so, when they sold off WBZ-FM (and I believe FMs in other markets as well) because of their lack of potential. Had to be one of the most short-sighted moves in the history of American radio--although Westinghouse was far from alone in making it. If I'm not mistaken, Westinghouse was one of the companies that liked to refer to "radio and FM" as if FM wasn't radio. Maybe now you'll find companies that refer to radio and AM. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history > At 12:06 PM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Donna I take it he used the space at 70 Brookline Av later used by >>WMEX and then NESN? ( and for a brief time the last days of WITS ) >> >>Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to >>the >>other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by >>1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. > > First, yes Hollis and friends used 70 Brookline Ave, although they > also had another location briefly on Comm Ave. In 1938, they > claimed ("they" meaning the guys in charge of Shortwavve & > Television, including Baird and part-owner A.M. "Vic" Morgan) to > have put the first "television theater" on the air. > > Second, my sense is that Westinghouse was really focused on > developing FM and was slow to realise that TV was what mattered most > to the average person. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 13:49:15 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:49:15 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <488F581B.20402@gmail.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. > Local stations or regional networks who "sound like" podcasts but have no basis for news or emergency short NWS computer-generated reports are missing a huge opportunity. Perhaps the days of the news room is gone, but regional news services can serve well if done right. Billo From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:56:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <6C6CC72B4D394D57931A3E6240FB6BEC@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <6C6CC72B4D394D57931A3E6240FB6BEC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770807291056j229bf2a3h7aa4a48d46f1c045@mail.gmail.com> WBZ-FM was rock for almost 10 years and absolutely made no dent in listening habits. Part of the problem was they would repeat the same segments over and over. I can't recall any major push for live programming. WBZ-FM had one brief moment of glory. In the summer of 1967 Dick Summer got an advanced copy of Sgt Pepper from the UK and while WBZ-AM was leery of upsetting Capitol Records they allowed Summer to air it on WBZ-FM with Dick inserting voice IDs. For one Sunday evening everybody who cared about Beatles music listened. Hard to believe Westinghouse unloaded the station to Greater Media for only $4M. On 7/29/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, if Westinghouse was focused on FM in the 40s, they certainly did > an about face within the next decade or so, when they sold off WBZ-FM > (and I believe FMs in other markets as well) because of their lack of > potential. Had to be one of the most short-sighted moves in the > history of American radio--although Westinghouse was far from alone in > making it. If I'm not mistaken, Westinghouse was one of the companies > that liked to refer to "radio and FM" as if FM wasn't radio. Maybe now > you'll find companies that refer to radio and AM. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history > > >> At 12:06 PM 7/29/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>>Donna I take it he used the space at 70 Brookline Av later used by >>>WMEX and then NESN? ( and for a brief time the last days of WITS ) >>> >>>Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to >>>the >>>other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by >>>1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. >> >> First, yes Hollis and friends used 70 Brookline Ave, although they >> also had another location briefly on Comm Ave. In 1938, they >> claimed ("they" meaning the guys in charge of Shortwavve & >> Television, including Baird and part-owner A.M. "Vic" Morgan) to >> have put the first "television theater" on the air. >> >> Second, my sense is that Westinghouse was really focused on >> developing FM and was slow to realise that TV was what mattered most >> to the average person. > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:05:51 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Message-ID: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I believe that Westinghouse had planned WBZ for a Fall 1947 start, but there were construction problems with 1170 SFR, and then they wanted to wait for the coaxial cable to reach Boston so they could have network service. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Donna Halper Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:06:34 PM Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Donna was there a reason Boston was so late getting TV compared to the other major markets? Most major cities had at least one station by 1947 but Boston had to wait until 1948. From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:09:39 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Message-ID: <71392.14773.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I remember hearing WBZ-FM only in one place - the A&P market in East Dedham back in the mid-70s. That was their in-store music. Other than that I never heard it elsewhere and I don't even think anyone I know owned an FM tuner at the time. AM was so ingrained in my life I never even regularly listened to FM until I was a junior in high school (around the time that 103.3 was Power Hits). ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:01:29 PM Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Irony of Westinghouse and FM is they never had a clue what to do with it (at least in Boston) 106.7 as WBZ-FM tried a little bit of everything but it was a complete afterhought by management. They finally unloaded it to Greater Media for short money and GM struck gold with WMJX From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:19:53 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:19:53 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807291056j229bf2a3h7aa4a48d46f1c045@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com> <20080729050832.174301B4121@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807290906j19bf0229xc71a2d074cbe03b9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729162901.3AE7F2B3463@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <6C6CC72B4D394D57931A3E6240FB6BEC@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770807291056j229bf2a3h7aa4a48d46f1c045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488F5F49.3060203@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > [on BZ-FM] Part of the problem was they would repeat the same segments over and > over. I can't recall any major push for live programming. Hmm.. Good thing that's not happening today out there in some parts of radio land... Bill O'Neill From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jul 29 14:33:08 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:33:08 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <117C81F8-1CF2-45A4-B2DD-25048A04BFBB@charter.net> The last couple of times the power went out the WiFi card on my battery powered laptop worked just fine. I could get on the 'net and get a detailed forecast in just a few clicks. I even have a trusty old NOAA radio next to the flashlight just in case that doesn't work. Obviously podcasts won't help you in an emergency situation, but other digital technologies can send you alerts when needed. How is this any different from television? If you taped or DVR'd a show and were playing it back, you wouldn't get the tornado warning then either... Dave/Mike On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Chuck Igo wrote: > Dave/Mike - at least for the time being, with costs of living far > exceeding wage increases, terrestrial radio is free, local and timely. > > let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 14:34:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:34:14 -0500 Subject: RIP Jim Thistle Message-ID: <4fc429770807291134k50e61aa7w78f864836a618c6c@mail.gmail.com> Jim Thistle who was head of the Broadcast Journalism Department at BU and the former news director at WCVB has lost his battle with cancer. He was 66. Nobody knew Boston better than Jim. RIP From wvnh@wvnh.net Tue Jul 29 08:30:48 2008 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488F0D78.2000906@wvnh.net> I agree with what you are saying but at the same time, I find it ironic due to the number of current generation theatrical movies being released with roots from the long ago. Get Smart, Batman (however many prequels or sequels is irrelavent), Rambo, Spiderman, Indiana Jones, The Incredible Hulk, etc. And that doesn't even take into account all the 60's to 80's music that is used in many movie soundtracks these days. Go figure. Jack > Maureen Carney wrote: > > I think one of the biggest problems with the format is that they're looking for an audience (seemingly 25-40) that by it's very nature will reject anything that's oldies. They may think a cut or two is cool, but then they're on to Jam'n or Kiss. Or worse - their Ipods. I'm constantly running into people under 30 who didn't know what the weather would be in the case of an impending storm because they're so dependent on Mp3 and Ipods. > I'm 42, cannot stand disco or hard rock. Anytime I hear KC and the Sunshine Band on Oldies 103.3 I'm outta there. I prefer more of the Lost 45s stuff for my oldies. There are days I feel like a fossil when I listen to the radio. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 29 15:54:06 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:54:06 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18575.30046.276860.821714@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Those who prefer iPods and similar music players have to devote a > goodly amount of time and, I guess, money updating their collections > of MP-3 files and the music mixes that their players provide them. Not really. At 99 cents a song, music downloads are cheaper than anything you can buy at Starbucks, and it really doesn't take any time or effort at all. And the sort of people I'm talking about will learn about new music through blogs and podcasts, so it can be literally as simple as clicking a link. -GAWollman From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jul 29 16:03:43 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:03:43 -0400 Subject: WHDH News Now In HD Message-ID: <0eda01c8f1b6$343835a0$0200a8c0@Office> As of the 4pm report....Channel 7 News in now in HD -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 12:00 AM From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 16:23:49 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:23:49 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history Message-ID: <20080729202357.1C611453B39@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:37 PM 7/29/2008, Dan wrote: >Well, if Westinghouse was focused on FM in the 40s, they certainly did >an about face within the next decade or so, when they sold off WBZ-FM >(and I believe FMs in other markets as well) because of their lack of >potential. Westinghouse, based on correspondence I've read, seemed to be in a pissing match with Shepard and Yankee to see whose FM was gonna be successful first. Turned out, it was neither one of them... From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 16:25:24 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:05 PM 7/29/2008, Maureen Carney wrote: >I believe that Westinghouse had planned WBZ for a Fall 1947 start, >but there were construction problems with 1170 SFR, and then they >wanted to wait for the coaxial cable to reach Boston so they could >have network service. And according to the letters I saw, plus newspaper reports, there were all sorts of construction delays in building the new facility on Soldier's Field Road, including getting the right materials for the towers. From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jul 29 16:32:54 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:32:54 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> I guess the news set arrived late too......Arch MacDonald used to say that he did the first newscast sitting on a keg of nails. Gary -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:25 PM And according to the letters I saw, plus newspaper reports, there were all sorts of construction delays in building the new facility on Soldier's Field Road, including getting the right materials for the towers. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 12:00 AM From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jul 29 16:56:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:56:54 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> My understanding is that Westinghouse at the very last minute constructed a temporary TV studio at the Bradford Hotel as they feared WNAC would get on the air first. Donna does the first film of the leaders of the day welcoming WBZ-TV exist? I have read that it included the Governor, Mayor, Archbishop Cushing and others. I believe the film included a welcome from a Jewish leader who died a couple of hours before it was shown. On 7/29/08, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I guess the news set arrived late too......Arch MacDonald used to say that > he did the first newscast sitting on a keg of nails. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:25 PM > > And according to the letters I saw, plus newspaper reports, there were all > sorts of construction delays in building the new facility on Soldier's Field > Road, including getting the right materials for the towers. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 29 17:01:22 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:01:22 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> <117C81F8-1CF2-45A4-B2DD-25048A04BFBB@charter.net> Message-ID: <001a01c8f1be$4557ee90$0401a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" Subject: Re: so, what is "radio" good for? > The last couple of times the power went out the WiFi card on my battery > powered laptop worked just fine. I could get on the 'net and get a > detailed forecast in just a few clicks. I even have a trusty old NOAA > radio next to the flashlight just in case that doesn't work. to which Chuck replies: A-ha! You used the word Radio.... David continued: > Obviously podcasts won't help you in an emergency situation, but > other digital technologies can send you alerts when needed. How is this > any different from television? If you taped or DVR'd a show and were > playing it back, you wouldn't get the tornado warning then either... and Chuck's other simple rejoinder: I'm not the one making the point (or trying to) that I-pods rule and terrestrial radio drools. --Chuck Igo From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 19:28:16 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:28:16 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.co m> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Kevin asked-- > >Donna does the first film of the leaders of the day welcoming WBZ-TV >exist? I have read that it included the Governor, Mayor, Archbishop >Cushing and others. It was quite an event, and I assume somebody must have filmed it-- maybe the Library of Congress or the Boston University media archives? I've never heard it mentioned at WBZ, but maybe one of the old-timers there knows where a kinescope exists. >Kevin wrote-- >I believe the film included a welcome from a Jewish leader who died a >couple of hours before it was shown. Yes, what a tragedy-- Joshua Loth Liebman of Temple Israel, one of the most beloved religious leaders and a best-selling motivational author. He died of a heart attack very suddenly, not long after filming his welcome message. He was only 48 and it turned out he had undiagnosed heart disease. From kenwvt@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:14:16 2008 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:14:16 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <647737520807291113n71fa5003v46d59900d78a0b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter> <18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> <488F581B.20402@gmail.com> <647737520807291113n71fa5003v46d59900d78a0b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <647737520807291114m77d6f3b3p65c3e8a2e4a71406@mail.gmail.com> The new "touch" ipods and the iphone are all internet aware. It is more likely that the tornado alert will come from a text message or a gadget pop up on one of these iphones or clones. I think that podcasts (which I love) are just scratching the surface, they have tremendous upside but obviously aren't the place for news alerts . Hell I don't even listen to the radio for school closings anymore. I get a text message on my phone from WCVB-TV with the closing announcement. The only time I listen to local radio is in the car and it's all WEEI. -Ken > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: >> Chuck Igo wrote: >>> >>> let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. >>> >> Local stations or regional networks who "sound like" podcasts but have no >> basis for news or emergency short NWS computer-generated reports are missing >> a huge opportunity. >> Perhaps the days of the news room is gone, but regional news services can >> serve well if done right. >> >> Billo >> > From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jul 29 19:44:09 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:44:09 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> It was run at the beginning of the WBZ historical documentary run in 1993 or 1998 and since then cut up and run in pieces......... Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper [mailto:dlh@donnahalper.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:28 PM To: Kevin Vahey; Gary's Ice Cream; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history >Kevin asked-- > >Donna does the first film of the leaders of the day welcoming WBZ-TV >exist? I have read that it included the Governor, Mayor, Archbishop >Cushing and others. It was quite an event, and I assume somebody must have filmed it-- maybe the Library of Congress or the Boston University media archives? I've never heard it mentioned at WBZ, but maybe one of the old-timers there knows where a kinescope exists. >Kevin wrote-- >I believe the film included a welcome from a Jewish leader who died a >couple of hours before it was shown. Yes, what a tragedy-- Joshua Loth Liebman of Temple Israel, one of the most beloved religious leaders and a best-selling motivational author. He died of a heart attack very suddenly, not long after filming his welcome message. He was only 48 and it turned out he had undiagnosed heart disease. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 12:00 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 12:00 AM From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jul 29 20:54:56 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:54:56 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <001a01c8f1be$4557ee90$0401a8c0@Family> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> <117C81F8-1CF2-45A4-B2DD-25048A04BFBB@charter.net> <001a01c8f1be$4557ee90$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <9C54CA1C-63B2-44D4-8474-AB7887A30536@charter.net> On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Chuck Igo wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" > > Subject: Re: so, what is "radio" good for? >> The last couple of times the power went out the WiFi card on my >> battery powered laptop worked just fine. I could get on the 'net >> and get a detailed forecast in just a few clicks. I even have a >> trusty old NOAA radio next to the flashlight just in case that >> doesn't work. > > to which Chuck replies: A-ha! You used the word Radio.... OK, you got me. But weather radio from the NOAA is much different than AM/FM commercial broadcast. As technology has advanced I find myself using terrestrial radio less and less. I've essentially given up listening to music stations. Too many commercials and overplayed songs. Like many on this list, I find that over the air stations don't play the genres of music I prefer most of the time. About the only stations I listen to are WEEI, WCRN (for the Sox only) WBUR and WBZ. However, with plenty of other digital options for news, weather and traffic, I've found myself tuning into BZ much less often than just a few years ago. And I don't have satellite radio either. No need. Besides, I want control of what I listen to and when. I don't want to turn that choice over to one of the washed up MD's employed by the satellite services and pay for the privilege to do so. > > David continued: > Obviously podcasts won't help you in an > emergency situation, but >> other digital technologies can send you alerts when needed. How >> is this any different from television? If you taped or DVR'd a >> show and were playing it back, you wouldn't get the tornado >> warning then either... > > and Chuck's other simple rejoinder: I'm not the one making the > point (or trying to) that I-pods rule and terrestrial radio drools. > I never said terrestrial radio "drools." I've maintained that it must return to being live local and compelling if it wants to compete with all of the emerging technologies. WEEI and WBUR do that most of the time so they get my ears occasionally. Most other stations don't. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From jscavo@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 29 19:08:02 2008 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (jscavo) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:08:02 -0400 Subject: oldies In-Reply-To: <488E7792.23963.9B58CC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004b01c8f1cf$f42726f0$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> I feel the same way, I find myself listening to WAAF, WBLM, and WHEB, WFNX and WSCA-LP from Portsmouth. I don't find "oldies" to be my main entertainment at 52 years old. Too boring, and not executed properly in Boston or Portland, Maine. Speaking of Oldies 103, what's going on with Uncle Dale, as he is still out? John -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross [mailto:joe@attorneyross.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:51 AM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: oldies On 28 Jul 2008 at 15:38, Garrett Wollman wrote: > My mother is 57 and she doesn't listen to oldies radio at all -- says > it's "too old" (whatever that means). When I hear her listening to > the radio, it's always Magic or Lite. My father, 62, is much more > into the music of his teenage years, perhaps because he was a musician > himself back then. (His inability to remember lyrics > notwithstanding.) Seesh! I'm older than your parents! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 29 22:42:00 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Sunny Joe White In-Reply-To: <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <20080730024209.D96BC1B47AB@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Do any of you know how I get my hands on a photo or a video or some audio (or all three) of the late Sunny Joe White of Kiss 108? I also need to talk with somebody who was friendly with him-- I was friendly with him, but just casually. I need somebody who can answer a couple of biographical queries about his life. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 29 21:29:30 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:29:30 -0400 Subject: RIP Jim Thistle In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807291134k50e61aa7w78f864836a618c6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807291134k50e61aa7w78f864836a618c6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488FC3FA.8030908@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Jim Thistle who was head of the Broadcast Journalism Department at BU > and the former news director at WCVB has lost his battle with cancer. > He was 66. > > Nobody knew Boston better than Jim. > > RIP > What a loss. Jim was one of the great ones in Boston TV news, and later in academia. Another one gone far too young. Too many of those lately. s From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 30 01:09:59 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:09:59 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807291056j229bf2a3h7aa4a48d46f1c045@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770807282141p13972119y41c05e7be0866cf6@mail.gmail.com>, <6C6CC72B4D394D57931A3E6240FB6BEC@SatU205S5044>, <4fc429770807291056j229bf2a3h7aa4a48d46f1c045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488FBF67.27879.741345@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Jul 2008 at 12:56, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WBZ-FM was rock for almost 10 years and absolutely made no dent in > listening habits. > > Part of the problem was they would repeat the same segments over and > over. I can't recall any major push for live programming. And they did almost no promotion. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 01:33:43 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:33:43 -0400 Subject: Sunny Joe White References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office><4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com><20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <20080730024209.D96BC1B47AB@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <6A0ED7C6E4234CCFB218FC9A58527ED1@MainXPPro> > Do any of you know how I get my hands on a photo or a video or some > audio (or all three) of the late Sunny Joe White of Kiss 108? Wasn't there a Youtube video of him on V-66-TV? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 30 02:02:35 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:02:35 -0400 Subject: Sunny Joe White In-Reply-To: <6A0ED7C6E4234CCFB218FC9A58527ED1@MainXPPro> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <20080730024209.D96BC1B47AB@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <6A0ED7C6E4234CCFB218FC9A58527ED1@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80807292302s4dda025ft7df972191801fbf0@mail.gmail.com> Here's one video, I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EKR-k2c8H4 Paul On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Don A wrote: > > > > Do any of you know how I get my hands on a photo or a video or some audio >> (or all three) of the late Sunny Joe White of Kiss 108? >> > > Wasn't there a Youtube video of him on V-66-TV? > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kenwvt@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 16:15:15 2008 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:15:15 -0400 Subject: WHDH News Now In HD In-Reply-To: <0eda01c8f1b6$343835a0$0200a8c0@Office> References: <0eda01c8f1b6$343835a0$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <647737520807291315q39db6ceese7aa9a04ebe0dc62@mail.gmail.com> Nice ! I don't remember hearing about this, is this a "soft" opening ? -Ken On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > As of the 4pm report....Channel 7 News in now in HD > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/696 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > From mike@miscon.net Wed Jul 30 15:09:18 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:09:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1217444958.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> >? From: "Chuck Igo" > > Dave/Mike - at least for the time being, with costs of living far > exceeding wage increases, terrestrial radio is free, local and timely. > > let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. > > --Chuck Igo But there's part of the conundrum: with current economic problems nationwide ("costs of living far exceeding wage increases") terrestrial radio?may free to the listener but NOT to the broadcaster. B'caster needs to cut costs, local help makes way for birdfed programming, service (real or imagined)?to community suffers, leading (possibly) to less listeners. Radio becomes less relevant.? Except perhaps for weather warnings. But if a EAS is broadcast, and there's no one listening, does it make a sound? And will technological advances make local weather warnings an "override option" on mobile devices such as phones (much like sever weather warnings on satellite radio)? What bothers me is that there perhaps *is* a way for radio to remain relevant, but far too many people - mostly "in the business" - aren't actively seeking solutions to making it happen. Or perhaps "radio"?is just destined?go the way of the telegraph. Mike btw, my podcast downloads are free, and my home internet connection is considered part of my utility bill. I will cut back on many other financial expenditures way before I consider dropping my internet connection. -------------- next part -------------- >? From: "Chuck Igo" > > Dave/Mike - at least for the time being, with costs of living far > exceeding wage increases, terrestrial radio is free, local and timely. > > let me know how that next Tornado warning sounded on the pod-cast. > > --Chuck Igo But there's part of the conundrum: with current economic problems nationwide ("costs of living far exceeding wage increases") terrestrial radio?may free to the listener but NOT to the broadcaster. B'caster needs to cut costs, local help makes way for birdfed programming, service (real or imagined)?to community suffers, leading (possibly) to less listeners. Radio becomes less relevant.? Except perhaps for weather warnings. But if a EAS is broadcast, and there's no one listening, does it make a sound? And will technological advances make local weather warnings an "override option" on mobile devices such as phones (much like sever weather warnings on satellite radio)? What bothers me is that there perhaps *is* a way for radio to remain relevant, but far too many people - mostly "in the business" - aren't actively seeking solutions to making it happen. Or perhaps "radio"?is just destined?go the way of the telegraph. Mike btw, my podcast downloads are free, and my home internet connection is considered part of my utility bill. I will cut back on many other financial expenditures way before I consider dropping my internet connection. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jul 30 16:17:48 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:17:48 -0400 Subject: so, what is "radio" good for? In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.123.1217444958.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <.146.115.109.221.1217004432.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><000801c8f113$ab12d570$6d01a8c0@mediacenter><18574.30270.248947.945496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000601c8f1a0$6db44050$0401a8c0@Family> <.132.185.144.123.1217444958.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <4890CC6C.6050606@gmail.com> mike@miscon.net wrote: > Or perhaps > "radio" is just destined go the way of the > telegraph. > STOP. Sorry, couldn't resist Bill O'Neill From rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com Wed Jul 30 22:55:09 2008 From: rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com (Rick Levy) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:55:09 -0400 Subject: Could I get an opinion? Message-ID: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> More to the story than originally appeared. This may put the discussion in a different light. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127001 Rick Levy Broadcast Signal Lab, LLP Cambridge, Mass. www.broadcastsignallab.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 31 01:46:50 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:46:50 -0400 Subject: Could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> References: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> Message-ID: <20080731054702.7640E1B90C3@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 10:55 PM 7/30/2008, Rick Levy wrote: >More to the story than originally appeared. This may put the discussion in >a different light. > >http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127001 Or not. A very biased source with a reputation for being pro-McCain (and pro-Bush). But I repeat: I wasn't asking about whether Obama is a good guy or a bad guy. I was asking a media ethics query. When I was in college, I was taught that certain things were just not permissible. Today, however, it seems almost anything goes. From sid@wrko.com Thu Jul 31 07:36:46 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:36:46 -0400 Subject: Could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> References: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098831820A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>More to the story than originally appeared. This may put the discussion in a different light. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127001<< A web site citing a "web magazine." Yeah, that's credible. Not. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jul 31 19:56:27 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:56:27 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office><4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com><20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> Gary Francis wrote: > It was run at the beginning of the WBZ historical >documentary run in 1993 > or 1998 and since then cut up and >run in pieces. A short clip from that film was shown on WBZ TV's 45th anniversary special, which can be found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rXrl3plfA The clips of Cardinal Cushing & Mayor Curley appear at the 4:42 mark of the video. Also, at the 5:30 mark, a portion of an interview with Arch MacDonald where he tells about how he constructed the first TV news set in New England. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 31 20:50:33 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:50:33 -0400 Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton? Message-ID: <0D1562F832D640C480017491C82109EF@SatU205S5044> WKOX's move from Framingham to Newton has been erroneously announced (albeit not by me) to be on the air so often (here and elsewhere) that any such posting must be regarded with suspicion. I won't bet the farm on it yet--what I'm hearing COULD be WKOX on day power after sunset from Framingham--but I don't think so. (If it were, it would be a first; I have never heard WKOX on day power at night.) In any event, the signal sounds really good AND, if I'm correct, my prediction of when the switch would occur was exactly right; I said it would happen immediately after closure of the sale of CCU to Bain Capital et al. The sale closed yeterday, 7/30/08. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 31 21:05:32 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:05:32 -0400 Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton? In-Reply-To: <0D1562F832D640C480017491C82109EF@SatU205S5044> References: <0D1562F832D640C480017491C82109EF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18578.24924.447126.581041@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I won't bet the farm on it yet--what I'm hearing COULD be WKOX on > day power after sunset from Framingham--but I don't think so. I think you are mistaken. I hear WKOX just fine right now, two miles from Mount Wayte; it should sound much worse if they were operating on the new facility -- and more to the point, I'm not hearing any IBOC sideband hash either, whereas I know the new WKOX facility is engineered to pass IBOC. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 31 21:31:14 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:31:14 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 07:56 PM 7/31/2008, Mark Watson wrote: >Gary Francis wrote: > >>It was run at the beginning of the WBZ historical >documentary run >>in 1993 or 1998 and since then cut up and >run in pieces. > > A short clip from that film was shown on WBZ TV's 45th anniversary > special, which can be found on YouTube: A nice job for its time, but of course, it puts forth the legend that WBZ Radio was the first station in New England. Perhaps Medford Hillside wasn't considered part of New England in those days... I wonder where some of that video ended up-- the interviews with some of the early WBZ TV staff surely have to be somewhere, wouldn't you think? From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 31 21:42:42 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:42:42 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <18578.27154.428847.394743@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A nice job for its time, but of course, it puts forth the legend that > WBZ Radio was the first station in New England. Perhaps Medford > Hillside wasn't considered part of New England in those days... Well, there's a long history of people from Boston believing that Boston and New England are synonymous. (Right, Bill O'?) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jul 31 22:05:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:05:20 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> OK how about we designate WBZ as the oldest surviving radio station in New England. That clip makes me believe that CBS ignored the 60th because Channel 4 was NBC for 46 plus years. It was nice they included Arch in the special given the bad way he left Westinghouse. Now do any kinescopes exist of Victor Best? He was your ESSO reporter in the 50's and the fact that I remember that terrifies me. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jul 31 22:16:14 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:16:14 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01c8f37c$9335a5c0$b9a0f140$@com> > > It was nice they included Arch in the special given the bad way he > left Westinghouse. > What was the "bad way" that he left Westinghouse? [Brian Vita] Brian From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 31 22:44:57 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:44:57 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080801024512.035131B42A2@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 10:05 PM 7/31/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >OK how about we designate WBZ as the oldest surviving radio station in >New England. That clip makes me believe that CBS ignored the 60th >because Channel 4 >was NBC for 46 plus years. Now do any kinescopes exist of Victor Best? The owner of Northeast Broadcasting School as well as your Esso Reporter-- all I have is a scanned photo of Victor Best, if anyone wants a copy. But as for why WBZ ignored their 60th, I begged and pleaded and even offered to write a tribute for free... but nobody seemed to be interested... sigh... (no respect for history, I guess...) And yes, WBZ has the oldest surviving call letters in New England but little 1XE/WGI was the first New England station... From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jul 31 23:30:12 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:30:12 -0500 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <003b01c8f37c$9335a5c0$b9a0f140$@com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c8f37c$9335a5c0$b9a0f140$@com> Message-ID: <4fc429770807312030t3a8856dal49851b698208ed59@mail.gmail.com> Arch was deemed to be too old in the late 60's and he left and went to WKBG-56 and anchored the 10 PM with Fred Cusick doing sports. When that failed the new WCVB grabbed him and he finished his career at channel 5. Jack Chase saved his job by donning a toupee. This was the era when consulting became important for newscasts. On 7/31/08, Brian Vita wrote: >> >> It was nice they included Arch in the special given the bad way he >> left Westinghouse. >> > What was the "bad way" that he left Westinghouse? > [Brian Vita] > Brian > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 31 23:46:25 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:46:25 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48924ED1.26043.5048BC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jul 2008 at 21:05, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Now do any kinescopes exist of Victor Best? > He was your ESSO reporter in the 50's and the fact that I remember > that terrifies me. I had forgotten it until you reminded me! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 31 23:46:26 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:46:26 -0400 Subject: Could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <20080731054702.7640E1B90C3@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan>, <20080731054702.7640E1B90C3@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <48924ED2.16440.504987@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jul 2008 at 1:46, Donna Halper wrote: > Or not. A very biased source with a reputation for being pro-McCain > (and pro-Bush). But I repeat: I wasn't asking about whether Obama is > a good guy or a bad guy. I was asking a media ethics query. When I > was in college, I was taught that certain things were just not > permissible. Today, however, it seems almost anything goes. Now here's a disgusting idea: "In any case," Maariv added, "since Obama is not a Jew, publishing the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to privacy." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 31 23:53:01 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:53:01 -0400 Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history In-Reply-To: <4fc429770807312030t3a8856dal49851b698208ed59@mail.gmail.co m> References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office> <4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com> <20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office> <005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark> <20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770807311905p74cfbbf0j133352de6ee5308a@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c8f37c$9335a5c0$b9a0f140$@com> <4fc429770807312030t3a8856dal49851b698208ed59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080801035316.999DE22FF3C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Kevin wrote-- > >Jack Chase saved his job by donning a toupee. And a really bad toupee it was... some of the guys who wore a "rug" really looked like they were wearing one. (Upton Bell comes to mind.) I'm glad hairpieces look more natural today. 8-) From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 31 23:59:47 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:59:47 -0400 Subject: Could I get an opinion? In-Reply-To: <48924ED2.16440.504987@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan> <20080731054702.7640E1B90C3@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <48924ED2.16440.504987@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20080801040002.4D9EA243D3B@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 11:46 PM 7/31/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >Now here's a disgusting idea: > >"In any case," Maariv added, "since Obama is not a Jew, publishing >the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to >privacy." Shame on them. That is NOT what the Bible says, and deep down, they know it. Like people of all religions who are doing something hypocritical, they are seeking an excuse, and using their own version of scripture to give themselves a free pass. It's reminiscent of when a criminal says it was his bad childhood that made him do whatever so he can't be blamed for it. But I return to my original question: in our YouTube and scandal-driven world, where gossip and rumour can be found even in serious newspapers and on mainstream TV newscasts, is there nothing that is just plain WRONG to broadcast or print? It seems there an excuse or an exception for everything... [sigh]