From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 1 01:39:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:39:38 -0500 Subject: WNTN in Auburndale In-Reply-To: <6e94a45fde7b9452f46bcb7d40f2e5a0@charter.net> References: <288616.85715.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <47A12A2A.2694.963ABD@joe.attorneyross.com>, <6e94a45fde7b9452f46bcb7d40f2e5a0@charter.net> Message-ID: <47A2785A.33.A03EC4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2008 at 2:25, David Tomm wrote: > There must have been a lot of that going on around Eastern Mass. at > that time. A few years after Norwood, the village of West Needham > which essentially functioned as their own town away from the rest of > Needham formally separated and became what is now known as Wellesley. It was going on all over Massachusetts at the time. Without modern transportation and communication, people didn't want to travel long distances to get to their town centers. And as population increased, and new centers formed, they wanted their own town government. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 1 01:39:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:39:38 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044>, <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47A2785A.26174.A03FED@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2008 at 22:26, Scott Fybush wrote: > A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB > Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, if > somewhat exaggerated. Raising the question of why WCAP hasn't added Lawrence and Haverhill after its legal ID, if it's trying to reach out to the entire area for advertising. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:20:37 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:20:37 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A287AA.3050305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003901c864ab$537d3980$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> Which begs a question I've always wondered... Are there any Radio Stations in the USA that actually have studios located where the Over-the-air signal CANNOT be heard? -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:45 PM To: Doug Drown Cc: Dan.Strassberg; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations Doug Drown wrote: > This brings up another question in my mind, having to do with broadcasting > stations that are ID'd in one community yet are actually located in a > different municipality altogether. I'll use two examples: WTAG and WGY. > The former used to have its studios in Worcester; they're now in Paxton. > The latter used to have its studios in Schenectady; they were later in > Niskayuna, then Colonie (which is in a different county), now they're back > in Niskayuna. And yet the two stations are still ID'd as WTAG Worcester and > WGY Schenectady, respectively. Is this permitted only because they're > grandfathered? -Doug "Community of license" has become a tricky concept since the rules changed in the 80s. Until the rules changed, stations had to maintain a main studio in their community of license (or, alternately, at their transmitter site) at which the majority of their programming originated. Today, the only things a station has to do for its city of license are to provide a city-grade signal over it (and not even all of it, always) and to provide a phone number that's toll-free from that city. The actual main studio can be anywhere within 25 miles, or within the city-grade contour of any station licensed to that community, whichever is larger. s From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:28:06 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:28:06 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003a01c864ac$5ed0e4c0$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> 2,000,000 watts? I did hear Boston in the ID.....Damn WOKQ gets in the way of my picking up the MIGHTY WKMZ! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:13 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Scott Fybush wrote: > A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB > Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, if > somewhat exaggerated. Indeed, and it has been done before. :-) http://www.tophour.com/audio/Winchester%20VA-Martinsburg%20WV/fm0975_1990-08 _wkmz_bthompson.mp3 From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:30:36 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:30:36 -0500 Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios In-Reply-To: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003b01c864ac$b8cf6050$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> Speaking of Purchased Time..... If you fancy yourself as the next "Big O" or "Mikey Adams"..... WWZN 1510 had an ad in the Boston Herald yesterday (1/31) basically saying that if you ever wanted a Sports show of your own, you may purchase time on "1510 the Zone"! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Russ Butler Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:38 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org; Russ Butler Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios There was (maybe still is?) a storefront studio at WALE 990AM in downtown Providence, RI The call letters came from when the station was licensed to New Bedford, MA originally, I think for "The Whaling City." There was usually a crowd peering in the sidewalk window at night during the gay-lesbian show (....they brokered time at WALE, anyone could be on the air who purchased time). Also, KPPC 1240AM in Pasadena CA had a storefront studio on Colorado Boulevard. The station had legendary calls since 1924, formed as a part time broadcaster of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church only to air services all day Sundays and Wednesday nights. (It is now dark). They also had an FM station at 106.7 which has been sold and is now a rock station in LA. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 07:10:50 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:10:50 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044>, <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> <47A2785A.26174.A03FED@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001f01c864cc$4e5db850$48f8a742@SatU205S5044> They have! I've heard "980, WCAP Lowell, Haverhill, Lawrence, Methuen, Merrimac Valley--Everybody gets it!" on many occasions and I'm quite sure that on several occasions, I've even heard "Nashua and Salem New Hampshire" appended to that string. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > On 31 Jan 2008 at 22:26, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB >> Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, >> if >> somewhat exaggerated. > > Raising the question of why WCAP hasn't added Lawrence and Haverhill > after its legal ID, if it's trying to reach out to the entire area > for advertising. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 06:44:33 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 06:44:33 -0500 Subject: Is WBIX for sale? Message-ID: <003101c864c7$d0ccc790$726656b0$@net> Has anyone heard anything about WBIX being up for sale? Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 08:23:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:23:43 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> Channel 6 was one of the first to take advantage of the new rules. When they first signed on they were WTEV New Bedford and studios were there. New ownership changed the calls to WLNE and studios were moved to Providence. The FOX station in Burlington/Plattsburgh has used Montreal in the ID from day 1. From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Feb 1 09:15:19 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:15:19 -0500 Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios In-Reply-To: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> References: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> Message-ID: WBSM and WFHN are still in the strip mall on the main drag in Fairhaven right off 195. When I worked there years ago there was a yogurt shop next door, so you would get kids coming over peering through the glass. There was a sizable amount of window space, so there were vertical blinds that you could close if you so chose. I normally worked with them open but quite a few of the jocks there would close them during their shifts. When I first started at WILI-AM/FM in Willimantic, CT in the late 80's they had window studios right on Main Street. It was always entertaining doing late nights when the biker bar a few doors down would let out for the night. You always got a floor show--Fistfights, creative urination, etc. When they moved to their present location down the street, the studios moved to the basement. But there's still windows that look out, and the sidewalk is a good 10 feet above the window line. There is a low embankment leading from the street to the studio windows, so you still get the natural light (or dark) but you're not looking right out into the street. The windows are tinted so it's difficult to see in during the day, but at night you can look down into the studios from the sidewalk. Unlike WFHN, there are no blinds on those windows so anyone who walks by can see in at night. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > There was (maybe still is?) a storefront studio at WALE 990AM in > downtown Providence, RI The call letters came from when the station > was licensed to New Bedford, MA originally, I think for "The Whaling > City." There was usually a crowd peering in the sidewalk window at > night during the gay-lesbian show (....they brokered time at WALE, > anyone could be on the air who purchased time). > > Also, KPPC 1240AM in Pasadena CA had a storefront studio on Colorado > Boulevard. The station had legendary calls since 1924, formed as a > part time broadcaster of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church only to air > services all day Sundays and Wednesday nights. (It is now dark). They > also had an FM station at 106.7 which has been sold and is now a rock > station in LA. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 10:08:27 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:08:27 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of Canadian communities in their ID's. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Scott Fybush" ; ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > Channel 6 was one of the first to take advantage of the new rules. > When they first signed on they were WTEV New Bedford and studios were > there. New ownership changed the calls to WLNE and studios were moved > to Providence. > > The FOX station in Burlington/Plattsburgh has used Montreal in the ID > from day 1. From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 10:32:22 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:32:22 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > < from day 1.>> > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of > Canadian communities in their ID's. The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC doesn't care where their programming is aimed. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 11:53:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:53:04 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the airport code for Montreal ) Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station http://www.947hits.com/ On 2/1/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Doug Drown wrote: > > < > from day 1.>> > > > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I > > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a > > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't > > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue > > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, > > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of > > Canadian communities in their ID's. > > The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants > to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do > about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear > attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) > > There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian > audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake > Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, > is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory > responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC > doesn't care where their programming is aimed. > > s > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Feb 1 12:05:24 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:24 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, with a headline that must have been generated from a template: "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! --RC From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Feb 1 12:31:16 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually, If you scroll down to the bottom of most pages on that site, there's a link to download a .pdf of the stations EEO records. That's something you wouldn't find on a Canadian radio website... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the > airport code for Montreal ) > > Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station > > http://www.947hits.com/ > From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 12:40:02 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:40:02 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, > with a headline that must have been generated from a template: > > "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" > http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 > > Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! > > --RC > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 14:12:58 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that will run another $15-35 . 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. These are things most of us take for granted - having access to equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how it goes together. ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: Richard Chonak ; BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:40:02 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, > with a headline that must have been generated from a template: > > "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" > http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 > > Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! > > --RC > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 14:40:55 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:40:55 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the > composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that > will run another $15-35 . > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. > > > These are things most of us take for granted - having access to > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how > it goes together. I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely accurate. The price of the converter boxes is already coming down. The Sling/Echostar box will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail price of $39.99, which means it will effectively be free with the $40 coupon, give or take a few bucks in sales tax. The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program could be made much easier for the consumer, short of TV stations sending engineers to individual homes to get everything working. (And at least at WXXI here in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need arose!) s From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 15:08:19 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The main problem with these new converters (just like when UHF was a new additional expense back in the 50's and 60's) is that, more times than not, they're numb as hell. OTA (over-the-air) Digital TV simply requires a strong signal and most times, the top-of-the-set rabbit ears or the UHF loops simply are not enough to do the job, unless you're within the near field of a station's footprint. There are still going to be some people out there (especially in THIS economy) who simply cannot afford cable or satellite service. Many of these viewers depend on the translator service for their television. When DTV becomes mandated for the translator service, many folks will be out of luck. On another note, I'm amazed on how some stations are reverting to their original analog VHF-lo channel assignments after operating their DT's on UHF. WRGB in Schenectady, NY is doing just that. Considering the hilly terrain of the area of Upstate New York and Nearby Massachusetts. VHF-lo will not work with DTV very well. It's been proven by several stations. They'd be better off with a UHF translator from Mt. Greylock. Oh, well. --- Scott Fybush wrote: > Maureen Carney wrote: > > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the > plugs to connect the > > composit or component wires. There is an external > connector, and that > > will run another $15-35 . > > > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both > need to be plugged > > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using > an additional > > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an > outlet multiplier. > > > > > > These are things most of us take for granted - > having access to > > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and > the knowledge of how > > it goes together. > > I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely > accurate. The price > of the converter boxes is already coming down. The > Sling/Echostar box > will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail > price of $39.99, which > means it will effectively be free with the $40 > coupon, give or take a > few bucks in sales tax. > > The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are > required to have > NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external > connectors" will be needed > beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm > coax connection to a > 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. > > I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved > boxes will also > include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be > plugged into. > > Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program > could be made much > easier for the consumer, short of TV stations > sending engineers to > individual homes to get everything working. (And at > least at WXXI here > in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need > arose!) > > s > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 15:23:20 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:23:20 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> Peter Q. George wrote: > The main problem with these new converters (just like > when UHF was a new additional expense back in the 50's > and 60's) is that, more times than not, they're numb > as hell. OTA (over-the-air) Digital TV simply > requires a strong signal and most times, the > top-of-the-set rabbit ears or the UHF loops simply are > not enough to do the job, unless you're within the > near field of a station's footprint. There are still > going to be some people out there (especially in THIS > economy) who simply cannot afford cable or satellite > service. Many of these viewers depend on the > translator service for their television. When DTV > becomes mandated for the translator service, many > folks will be out of luck. Except that the DTV converter box program included a VERY stringent set of technical standards for the boxes. In order for a box to be approved as eligible for the coupon, it has to meet standards for sensitivity and selectivity that far exceed the performance of most of the OTA DTV tuners currently on the market. This is not going to be a repeat of the numb-as-hell UHF converter days. NTIA's on the ball on this one. I can't wait to get my hands on one of the new boxes in a month or two to do a shootout against my Accurian converter box, which is only middlingly sensitive. I'm not going to try to claim that someone in a signal-vacuum area like Keene or Winchendon is going to get stellar results with rabbit ears all of a sudden. In the long run, it may be up to broadcasters to extend better service to these areas through the use of on-channel "single frequency network" DTV booster systems, which are much more practical in the digital realm than they would have been in analog. I do know that as I go driving in rural areas at some distance from the transmitter sites in western and central New York, it seems as though almost every home now has a dish in front of it or on the roof. I suspect that these days, penetration of direct-to-home satellite service is running just about in inverse proportion to OTA signal strength. > On another note, I'm amazed on how some stations are > reverting to their original analog VHF-lo channel > assignments after operating their DT's on UHF. WRGB > in Schenectady, NY is doing just that. Considering > the hilly terrain of the area of Upstate New York and > Nearby Massachusetts. VHF-lo will not work with DTV > very well. It's been proven by several stations. > They'd be better off with a UHF translator from Mt. > Greylock. Oh, well. WRGB is absolutely convinced that on digital, low-V will carry better into the hollows and valleys of eastern NY, VT and MA than the Us will. In terms of raw signal strength, they may well be right - it's certainly true of their analog signal. The big unknown is how bad electrical interference will be, and what effect e-skip might have on the channel 6 signal come summertime. s From cohasset@frontiernet.net Fri Feb 1 16:14:33 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:14:33 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Fybush Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! ...as I go driving in rural areas at some distance from the transmitter sites in western and central New York, it seems as though almost every home now has a dish in front of it or on the roof. I suspect that these days, penetration of direct-to-home satellite service is running just about in inverse proportion to OTA signal strength. ******************** I live 60 miles NNE of Utica, NY, and subscribe to Dish Network, including the "local" channel option (which in this area means the Syracuse stations). But I prefer to get my local news from Channel 2 in Utica (they have a *very* cute morning anchor), but Utica is not part of *any* satellite TV "local" channel lineups. Since I don't have CATV here, I have erected a "deep-fringe" TV antenna in order to do the best job I can of getting a decent OTA signal out of the WKTV. Even now, during a sunspot minimum, the old-fashioned analog signal is marginal at best (always snowy, even when not experiencing multipath ghosting from the mountains between them and me). During sunspot maxima or periods of sporadic E-skip, Utica gets totally obliterated by other Channel 2 stations from New England to Ottawa to Missouri. How will I get WKTV a year from now? Since there's already one NBC affiliate in the Syracuse "local" channels on Dish, what's the odds of Utica being added? And, more generally, there are zip codes adjacent to mine that aren't *allowed* (by FCC, according to Dish) to have Syracuse "locals" at all! In one direction, they must take Albany; in another direction, they can't take anything at all in upstate NY, and must settle for NYC or Chicago or.... Scott mentioned single-channel DTV booster systems for rough and outlying terrain. Can anyone here comment on their cost and what, if any, regulatory hurdles will need to be overcome by a station such as Utica Channel 2 in order to get them installed? Bud Hippisley From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 16:56:03 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <192387.2570.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My life is a jumble of wires!! I hope those improvements are made as I'm going on what I'm used to and what would confuse the life out of people over 65 (like my parents). As for reception, I find that I just can't find a place for the antenna that works well when I bring the Radio Shack set over to my parents house. In my apartment I just point the antenna down Route 9 towards 128 and the Needham stick and I have no problem at all. ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Fybush To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 2:40:55 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Maureen Carney wrote: > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the > composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that > will run another $15-35 . > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. > > > These are things most of us take for granted - having access to > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how > it goes together. I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely accurate. The price of the converter boxes is already coming down. The Sling/Echostar box will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail price of $39.99, which means it will effectively be free with the $40 coupon, give or take a few bucks in sales tax. The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program could be made much easier for the consumer, short of TV stations sending engineers to individual homes to get everything working. (And at least at WXXI here in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need arose!) s ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 17:01:26 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:01:26 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200802012201.m11M1QKT021036@mac.com> At 10:32 AM 2/1/2008, Scott Fybush wrote: >There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily >Canadian audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly >across Lake Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, >south of Montreal, is another - and as long as they meet their US >regulatory responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal >ID), the FCC doesn't care where their programming is aimed. There are (or were) a couple of stations (FM & TV) north of Seattle, I think licensed to Bellingham, WA, that are/were targeting audiences in the Vancouver, BC area. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 17:07:32 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:07:32 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com > References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> At 11:53 AM 2/1/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. > >http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm And they have some work to do on their site. It currently at this writing show the temperature to be 31 F and freezing rain in Burlington, and 69 F and clear in Plattsburgh. I don't think so! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 1 17:31:19 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:31:19 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> Message-ID: <47A39DB7.5030809@gmail.com> Larry Weil wrote: > And they have some work to do on their site. It currently at this > writing show the temperature to be 31 F and freezing rain in > Burlington, and 69 F and clear in Plattsburgh. I don't think so! That would have made it 48 F in Grand Isle? Where's Al Gore when you need him? Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 17:32:11 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:32:11 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> Message-ID: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > I live 60 miles NNE of Utica, NY, and subscribe to Dish Network, including > the "local" channel option (which in this area means the Syracuse stations). > But I prefer to get my local news from Channel 2 in Utica (they have a > *very* cute morning anchor), but Utica is not part of *any* satellite TV > "local" channel lineups. Since I don't have CATV here, I have erected a > "deep-fringe" TV antenna in order to do the best job I can of getting a > decent OTA signal out of the WKTV. > > Even now, during a sunspot minimum, the old-fashioned analog signal is > marginal at best (always snowy, even when not experiencing multipath > ghosting from the mountains between them and me). During sunspot maxima or > periods of sporadic E-skip, Utica gets totally obliterated by other Channel > 2 stations from New England to Ottawa to Missouri. > > How will I get WKTV a year from now? Since there's already one NBC > affiliate in the Syracuse "local" channels on Dish, what's the odds of Utica > being added? And, more generally, there are zip codes adjacent to mine that > aren't *allowed* (by FCC, according to Dish) to have Syracuse "locals" at > all! In one direction, they must take Albany; in another direction, they > can't take anything at all in upstate NY, and must settle for NYC or Chicago > or.... The Utica TV market is a very strange beast. Because Utica itself was a single-station city for so long (WKTV was the only game in town from 1949 until WUTR's sign-on in 1970), the Syracuse and Albany stations always enjoyed wide viewership in the area. When market boundaries were delineated, Utica ended up without even the whole of Oneida County in its market - western Oneida, including the city of Rome, are technically considered part of the Syracuse market. And Utica is still dependent on Syracuse's CBS and PBS outlets, having none of its own. That's made it very unattractive for the satellite companies to offer local-into-local service, because the old rules for that service said they could NOT offer anything out-of-market, no matter how "significantly viewed" it might be in the market. So any company offering local-into-local for Utica would be limited to WKTV (NBC), WUTR (ABC), WFXV (Fox) and maybe the low-power My Network affiliate WPNY. (Indeed, the cable system in Rome carries the full roster of Syracuse signals, including minor players like Univision affiliate WNYI and Pax affiliate WSPX, but doesn't carry the My or CW affiliates from nearby Utica!) Thankfully, those rules are on the verge of changing to reflect the reality of TV viewing in rural areas. New Hampshire was a big part of this - while southern NH is part of the Boston market and gets all the Boston stations plus WMUR, northern NH is divided between Burlington and Portland, meaning satellite customers in places like Hanover and Berlin and Pittsburg can't see any New Hampshire news from WMUR or public affairs from WENH/NHPTV. Under the new rules, satellite companies will be able to offer in-state, out-of-market signals to local viewers who wouldn't otherwise be able to get them - and they'll have more flexibility in adding "significantly-viewed" out-of-market signals, which means a "Utica" package could be created that would include WKTV/WUTR/WFXV, plus WTVH and WCNY from Syracuse, at the very minimum. That might encourage the satellite companies to finally offer local-into-local service for customers considered to be in the Utica and Watertown markets (Watertown's in the same boat as Utica, without a full complement of network affiliates.) > > Scott mentioned single-channel DTV booster systems for rough and outlying > terrain. Can anyone here comment on their cost and what, if any, regulatory > hurdles will need to be overcome by a station such as Utica Channel 2 in > order to get them installed? These are, essentially, on-channel translators. Right now, they're authorized under experimental licenses (there's a system running in NYC right now on channels 12 and 33 to test the concept, and WTVE-DT in the Philly market is building a system with eight or nine transmitters spread across NJ, PA, DE and even into a corner of MD). In theory, they shouldn't cost much more than a translator would cost. The only additional expense is GPS synchronization to make sure the boosters are precisely timed to the main channel. Bud, have you tried reception of WKTV-DT on channel 29? Its UHF signal should be immune to most of the propagation woes that afflict channel 2 where you are. And I'm pretty sure it's now operating at full power, at long last. s From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 1 16:34:27 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:34:27 -0500 Subject: "La Voz de Fey" Dealth Fatal Blow (Bi-lingual Pun) Message-ID: <20080201213427.3AACA1CE7A2@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> For several years, an unlicensed broadcaster called in Spanish "La Voz de Fey" has been broadcasting from a hill overlooking downtown Lawrence, MA on 99.9 FM. (It seems that the 99.9 frequency in Lawrence draws unlicensed radio stations the way Olduvai Gorge attracts members of the Leakey family). However, the FCC ultimately assigned channel 260 to a "religious" broadcaster to use as a translator (in this case, the source is WMSJ-FM 89.3 in Freeport, ME). Although licensed to Lawrence, apparently the antenna is at the AM 1490 or FM 92.5 tower in Haverhill. Now W260AS is actually on-the-air and is obliterating the 'Voz de fey' only a short distance from that station's location. Unless it finds another frequency (93.3, once assigned as a translator for WBOS-FM?), "La Voz's" voice may be stilled. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 18:09:29 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:09:29 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A3A6A9.50507@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > The big losers in this will be the night watchmen and parking lot > attendants who have a little 5 inch b&w tv. I can't see themselves > getting a decoder. I suspect my tiny CASIO color tv will meet the same > fate. I can't see those sets being hooked up to decoders, either...but given how cheap both the DTV tuner chips and small LCD displays have become, inexpensive replacements should be available soon. > My only fault with the government program is sending out coupons that > expire before the boxes are even available. Several reports on the WTFDA TV/FM DX list suggest some Wal-Mart stores already have the boxes on the shelves in Indianapolis and other areas. Let's see how quickly the distribution gets out there. Keep in mind the coupons haven't even been issued yet. If they stick to the initial plan to distribute them starting 2/18/08, expiration won't be till mid-May. A lot can happen between now and then. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 17:54:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> The big losers in this will be the night watchmen and parking lot attendants who have a little 5 inch b&w tv. I can't see themselves getting a decoder. I suspect my tiny CASIO color tv will meet the same fate. My only fault with the government program is sending out coupons that expire before the boxes are even available. From Cdsull502@aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:25:40 2008 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:25:40 EST Subject: Battery Powered TVs Message-ID: As a resident of hurricane prone South Florida, I am going to miss the life line that battery powered black and white TVs provided. During Hurricane Wilma in 2005, my home had no power for two weeks. The emergency broadcasts from the local Miami TV stations were invaluable in keeping local residents informed. After February of next year, that life line will disappear. I have not heard anyone discuss this concern. How long will it be until cheap battery operated digital TVs will be available? Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 18:35:54 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:35:54 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> At 06:25 PM 2/1/2008, Cdsull502@aol.com wrote: >As a resident of hurricane prone South Florida, I am going to miss the life >line that battery powered black and white TVs provided. During Hurricane >Wilma in 2005, my home had no power for two weeks. The emergency >broadcasts >from the local Miami TV stations were invaluable in keeping local residents >informed. After February of next year, that life line will disappear. I >have not heard anyone discuss this concern. How long will it be until cheap >battery operated digital TVs will be available? If you have a laptop computer you can currently get a hybrid (analog + DTV) receiver that plugs into a USB jack and is about the size of a flash drive. These are often on sale for about $80. Just make sure you have a means of charging the laptop's battery from your car power. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 18:43:03 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:43:03 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> References: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011543o22b0b86lb57ffcf2c3d0d638@mail.gmail.com> The average consumer will not even think about this until after the fact. People may actually discover AM radio. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 1 18:57:10 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:57:10 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> Doug Drown wrote: >Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in >a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our >senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very >meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a >converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any >program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug How does digital tv range compare with analog? Where I live in northern N.H. we receive one semi-watchable channel (WCAX from Burlington). Even with a large rooftop antenna and booster amp, reception is kinda snowy at times. Watchable, but I'm concerned that the signal is below the threshold for digital reception. Can't seem to get a straight answer on whether or not I'll be able to receive the digital signal. I'd imagine others in rural areas have the same problem. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 18:58:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> This is a two part question that I have been pondering. 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major population areas is becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer exist. Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the former CKVL. 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside major markets? I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 19:48:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:48:35 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 20:04:49 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:04:49 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! Message-ID: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an extensive history of WRGB on the site. It is one of the best online narrative histories I've read of any broadcasting station, anywhere. Freedom has made what I think is a magnanimous tip of the hat to General Electric and its many years of ownership. -Doug From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 1 19:59:59 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:59:59 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202010008.640D336D646@mail1.wildblue.net> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national >service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be >astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch >AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the >Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? I never understood that myself. It's not like the spectrum is particularly useful for much else. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:01:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:01:30 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <009901c86536$509599c0$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> <009901c86536$509599c0$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011701x4f97fda0h5249c0fed64ba05b@mail.gmail.com> In the midwest it is always warmer on the west side of Lake Michigan so maybe the same applies. :) There are some that consider Lake Champlain to be the 6th Great Lake. There has been some flack in Quebec as in the past few weeks Boston net stations have appeared where Burlington and Plattsburgh channels are supposed to be. I only found this out when a friend at the Montreal Gazette emailed me wanting to know who the drunk guy with the arm sling doing sports was on CBS. He lives on the south shore in Greenwood Park. He says the Boston HD signal is much better than Vermont. On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Any else notice the bizarre Time/Weather continuum up there? > > 30 and Freezing Rain in Burlington, 19 and Snow in Montreal.but 69 and Clear > in the tropical paradise of Plattsburgh > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:53 AM > To: Scott Fybush > Cc: Dan.Strassberg; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > > > > The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. > > > > http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm > > > > Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the > > airport code for Montreal ) > > > > Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station > > > > http://www.947hits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > On 2/1/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > > > Doug Drown wrote: > > > > < > > > from day 1.>> > > > > > > > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. > I > > > > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell > CKLW a > > > > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company > couldn't > > > > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could > continue > > > > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, > conversely, > > > > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names > of > > > > Canadian communities in their ID's. > > > > > > The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants > > > to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do > > > about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear > > > attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) > > > > > > There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian > > > audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake > > > Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, > > > is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory > > > responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC > > > doesn't care where their programming is aimed. > > > > > > s > > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 20:10:01 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:10:01 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM To: Scott Fybush Cc: B-R-I Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:15:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:15:15 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > kvahey@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > To: Scott Fybush > Cc: B-R-I > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:23:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:23:45 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011723n72312401r406ae7fe9bcba78b@mail.gmail.com> What I noticed last summer driving on the 401 is the FM band between population centers is now a lot of hash as stations are too close to each other. I just don't understand the logic behind this. Again I have to ask why should a US station protect a signal that no longer exists. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:57:24 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:57:24 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> As for CBC in the Maritimes, I know that one new FM is being constructed in P.E.I. to compensate for the loss of 1070 AM in Moncton. But one of the complaints I heard about, early on, was from commercial fishermen and other boaters who were very dependent upon 1070 for weather information while out on the sea. I don't know the CBC plans to address that. I agree: this was a silly idea. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: The future of AM radio > This is a two part question that I have been pondering. > > 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major population areas is > becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the > unused spectrum? On a related matter would the CRTC be open to > allowing non-Canadian signals to readust protection patterns for > stations that no longer exist. Prime example would be WEEI who no > longer should worry about the former CKVL. > > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside major markets? > > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national > service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be > astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch > AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the > Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:13:04 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:13:04 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> Message-ID: I'm in an urban apartment 15 mi NE of the Needham towers. I have a hard time getting ATSC signals, but analog signals are even worse. I get WBZ, WCVB, WHDH, WGBH and WGBX in ATSC on most days. I only get WHDH in analog and poorly at that. Then again, there are trees planted outside my window.) ATSC doesn't require as much S/N as NTSC for a good signal, about 16 dB vs. 25-30 dB or so for analog. The killer for ATSC is multipath ("ghosts"). Roof antennas would be fabulous for digital if they were in good shape and not too many big features nearby. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:31:24 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:31:24 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. Reading between the lines of the NTIA recommendations, it seems most manufacturers will put the balun in the box. That said, I've owned some old sets and even when I got my sets out of dumpsters as a poor apartment dweller in the late eighties, it was becoming unusual to find sets of that era with only 300-ohm terminals or even any 300-ohm terminals. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 1 21:33:08 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:33:08 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least 35% Canadian content. > On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian > signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer > exist. Only if they get something in return. > Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the > former CKVL. WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a dozen 850s between Boston and Denver. > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside > major markets? U.S. radio is not regulated on the basis of protecting stations from in-market competition as it is in Canada, so no. If an AM station goes off the air, and the facility is still technically feasible, someone else can apply for it at the next window. > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national > service off AM. The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people actually listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 21:49:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:49:59 -0500 Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown Message-ID: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> This is semi-broadcast related and happened at ESPN. This is a doozy A clip turned up on You Tube this week that somebody in Bristol, CT has been sitting on for 8 years. This clip had to come from the inside as since it was shot on the set in Bristol there was no backhaul involved. What I find fascinating is why somebody at ESPN would be rolling tape on Berman during a commercial. WARNING....Chris Berman uses language that would make George Carlin blush http://deadspin.com/351147/chris-berman-is-somewhat-perturbed-with-the-help?autoplay=true From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:00:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:00:34 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 9:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, > technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 > Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) > provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking > advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least > 35% Canadian content. How exactly is this enforced? For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied were they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC (CFCF) 600? I know that when the station first signed on they wanted to do the Expos in both English and French (690) but the CRTC said no they had to be news only. However in the past few years they have been running some talk shows now and becoming an equal to CJAD with the remaining anglophone population. > > Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the > > former CKVL. > > WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that > WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a dozen > 850s between Boston and Denver. > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:15:58 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:15:58 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> References: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> Message-ID: Radio Shack has a 7" LCD with a digital tuner that runs on batteries. I was very surprised to see the old analog TV audio sets still for sale at Walmart today; they will all turn to pumpkins. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:09:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:09:45 -0500 Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown In-Reply-To: <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011909y19bb7713k394f627f610c9308@mail.gmail.com> OK that explains that it would be a backhaul I had forgotten about him doing the ABC pregame at ESPN Zone. On Feb 1, 2008 10:02 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > It was not shot in Bristol. It was shot at the ESPNZONE in Manhattan. > Still, I'm mystified that it took so long for this to come out. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:25:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:58 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011925l4a1798c6n9f050b7a3a43cab1@mail.gmail.com> There are a lot of ExpressVu dishes in Florida so the snowbirds can get their home programing. I also know of a bar in Chicago that has a DirecTV box that thinks it is in Natick. This way the bar gets NESN HD for Red Sox games. Scott mentioned Utica as being an odd market and one can understand how they were bypassed by the dish services. Bangor on the other hand should be included. Northern New Hampshire doesn't get WMUR because DirecTV considers Channels 9 and 50 to be BOSTON stations These blackout policies have to be changed. Major League Baseball has rules that border on the insanity. A baseball fan in Buffalo who PAYS for the MLB Extra innings package is still blacked out of games that include the Mets, Yankees, Indians and Pirates because they are considered local ( yet Toronto is allowed ) http://bp1.blogger.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/RhUvZd19-xI/AAAAAAAAHg4/nE8fsbE7hmg/s1600-h/MLBBLACKOUT.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 10:13 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed to > order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian units. > However, the Canadian service does not include several channels available to > US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states for > billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. You'd > think both companies would have done everything possible to make it close to > impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly > needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but they > haven't. > > Howard > > From: > > > > It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he > > should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything > > after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. > > > > > > > > On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > > > > > -Paul Hopfgarten > > > -Derry NH > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > > > kvahey@comcast.net > > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > > > To: Scott Fybush > > > Cc: B-R-I > > > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > > > > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > > > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > > > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > > > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > > > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > > > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > > > > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > > > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > > > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > > > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > > > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > > > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > > > > > > > > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 1 22:13:38 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:13:38 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com><00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed to order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian units. However, the Canadian service does not include several channels available to US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states for billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. You'd think both companies would have done everything possible to make it close to impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but they haven't. Howard From: > It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he > should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything > after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. > > > > On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > > > -Paul Hopfgarten > > -Derry NH > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > > kvahey@comcast.net > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > > To: Scott Fybush > > Cc: B-R-I > > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > > > > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 22:02:36 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > This is semi-broadcast related and happened at ESPN. This is a doozy > > A clip turned up on You Tube this week that somebody in Bristol, CT > has been sitting on for 8 years. > > This clip had to come from the inside as since it was shot on the set > in Bristol there was no backhaul involved. > > What I find fascinating is why somebody at ESPN would be rolling tape > on Berman during a commercial. > > WARNING....Chris Berman uses language that would make George Carlin > blush > > http://deadspin.com/351147/chris-berman-is-somewhat-perturbed-with-the-help?autoplay=true It was not shot in Bristol. It was shot at the ESPNZONE in Manhattan. Still, I'm mystified that it took so long for this to come out. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From map@mapinternet.com Fri Feb 1 23:09:03 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:09:03 -0500 Subject: Re-analog tv phaseout-small converters Message-ID: <00fe01c86551$596903f0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Check out the atsc+ntsc tuners available for computers (both desktop and laptop versions are available-and work pretty well) right now, on line and at places like Circuit City for $75-125. Some are about as small as a pack of gum. So, it won't be surprising to see a tiny ATSC converter that screws on to the F connector in between the TV and Antenna. Mark Casey K1MAP From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 23:19:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:31 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com><18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c86553$08069840$16f8a742@SatU205S5044> WEEI's towers are in-line. It's a law of physics that the pattern MUST be symmetrical about that line (it's at an azimuth of 80 degrees--just a little counterclockwise from due east-west). Rotating the pattern slightly or making asymmetrical would require relocating a tower (or two) and would invoke both the FCC's ratchet rule and the inevitable wrath of the NIMBY neighbors in upscale Needham. The ratchet rule mandates draconian reductions in interference to existing stations (including stations that did not exist or were not on 850 when the present WEEI facilities were built right after World War II). The ratchet rule is what killed former owner American Radio Systems' plan to move 850 to the superior WRKO site in Burlington. In the absence of the ratchet rule and with the blessing of the NIMBY Needham neighbors (lotsa luck), the move would have allowed WEEI to cover southern NH and Cape Cod with a very strong signal day and night. Only the Wellesley/Natick/Framingham area would have suffered and only at night--and that area doesn't get a very good nighttime signal from the existing 850 anyhow. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to > continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and > southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 23:21:03 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:21:03 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001601c86553$0865f650$16f8a742@SatU205S5044> When WHDH moved to Needham and increased from 5 kW DA-N to 50 kW DA-2 the following stations more-or less between Boston and Denver were either already on 850 or held CPs for 850: WJW, WKBZ, WEEU, WNAO and WXKW. The death of WXKW made CKVL possible. Ex-WJW is still there and now with a killer 50 kW daytime signal, WEEU moved to 830 with much more power, Johnstown PA with its nine-tower array and 10 kW-U came along a quarter century or so ago, Norfolk VA (which took the heritage WTAR calls from 790 a few years back) is now also there with 50 kW D and 25 kW N (six towers at night). As one of only three Class IB channels with no fulltime Class I station east of the Mississipi (the main other one was 680), 850 was a very popular home for multiple high-power fulltime AMs in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states. (1070 didn't exactly count because of the need to protect CBA in addition to KNX. On 1070, the closest full-timer to CBA is in north-central PA, but the frequency is chock-a-block full with ex-Class IIs in the midwest all the way to KS as well as VA, NC, and places further south. Probably because the daytime signals had somewhat more reach on the lower 680 frequency, there weren't quite as many 680s as 850s in the same geographic area, but it is interesting to note that Boston and Raleigh both have stations on both frequencies. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: The future of AM radio > < >> What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? > > The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, > technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 > Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) > provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking > advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least > 35% Canadian content. > >> On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian >> signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer >> exist. > > Only if they get something in return. > >> Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the >> former CKVL. > > WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that > WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a > dozen > 850s between Boston and Denver. > >> 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside >> major markets? > > U.S. radio is not regulated on the basis of protecting stations from > in-market competition as it is in Canada, so no. If an AM station > goes off the air, and the facility is still technically feasible, > someone else can apply for it at the next window. > >> I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national >> service off AM. > > The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention > commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people > actually > listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM > signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? > > -GAWollman > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 2 00:41:23 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:41:23 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied were > they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC (CFCF) > 600? It wasn't a new station, so there was no additional competition for advertising. > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to > continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and > southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. Um, Quebec City is literally due north of WEEI. WEEI unaugmented night pattern, electric field at 1 km (mV/m) RMS = 2623 min = 1.13 (at 277 degrees true, almost precisely toward KOA) max = 4168 (at 29 degrees true and again at 131 degrees true) The field at 0 degrees true (towards Quebec City) is 3298 mV/m. The null, loosely defined, is from 311 degrees true (approx. NW) to 221 degrees (approx. SW). KOA, as a class-IB station, would have required stronger protection than any of the class-II stations on 850, and I believe the pattern itself is clear evidence that the WEEI array was designed only to protect KOA, and the protection it gives to the other stations on the channel is an artifact. (That is to say, at the time it was built, eliminating all of those stations from consideration would have resulted in an identical array design.) -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Feb 2 01:21:05 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:21:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:31 -0500 > > Only the Wellesley/Natick/Framingham area would have > suffered and only at night--and that area doesn't get a > very good nighttime signal from the existing 850 anyhow. Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. It does get flakey in Framingham, and I recall being in a spot in Holliston where open terrain actually allowed me to see the WEEI towers 10 miles away, but I must've been right in the null because all I was getting was a badly phase-distorted weak signal. EP From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:54 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:54 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 14:40, Scott Fybush wrote: > I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also > include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. I have cable, but I also have a Casio battery-operated LCD portable, and I'd really like to be able to get a battery-operated converter for it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:55 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 20:04, Doug Drown wrote: > I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and > noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" > moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. I notice the URL is CBS6Albany.com . Did they change their COL from Schenectady? > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > extensive history of WRGB on the site. It is one of the best online > narrative histories I've read of any broadcasting station, anywhere. > Freedom has made what I think is a magnanimous tip of the hat to > General Electric and its many years of ownership. If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:55 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com>, <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 21:33, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention > commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people actually > listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM > signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? I understand wanting to be on the FM band. I don't understand turning off the AM signals, when the AM signals reach places that the FM signals don't. What's wrong with having signals in both bands? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 02:35:04 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:35:04 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS Message-ID: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> As of 6pm last night, WBOS is now calling itself "Radio 92.9" and has flipped to a gold intensive alternative format. The playlist is heavy with 90's grunge like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Weezer, Green Day, Stone Temple Pilots, Foo Fighters, etc. They're playing a couple of currents an hour but that's about it. Most of the songs on their playlist are also on WBCN and WFNX. Even WAAF is playing a lot of those artists as well. According to an article on radioandrecords.com, GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 02:24:44 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:24:44 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com><00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> There are also many channels on the Canadian services that play primarily Canadian Content. That was the deal XM and Sirius struck with the CRTC to expand their reach north of the border. Much of that stuff is gosh-awful and the handful of hits get ridiculously overplayed. This stuff can be found in abundance on local terrestrial stations. Satellite listeners in Canada are burnt out on the Cancon, and getting the US service gives them a much wider variety of music to choose from. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed > to > order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian > units. > However, the Canadian service does not include several channels > available to > US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states > for > billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. > You'd > think both companies would have done everything possible to make it > close to > impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly > needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but > they > haven't. > > Howard > > From: > >> It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he >> should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything >> after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. >> >> >> >> On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >>> OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market >>> >>> -Paul Hopfgarten >>> -Derry NH >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >>> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >>> Behalf > Of >>> kvahey@comcast.net >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM >>> To: Scott Fybush >>> Cc: B-R-I >>> Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! >>> >>> I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in >>> the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor >>> antenna >>> setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor >>> and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal >>> for >>> 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV >>> either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. >>> >>> So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell >>> Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He >>> doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal >>> but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not >>> get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay >>> DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. >>> >>> >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 2 07:26:08 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:26:08 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com><18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001901c86596$ccb198f0$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> Garrett: I think you are quite correct that WHDH would have arrived at the same design for its array by considering the then-existing and permitted co-channel Class IIs in the northeast as by considering only KOA. It's also possible, I suppose, that WHDH had applied for its power increase/Tx move before World War II and the FCC granted the CP before the war but construction could not begin until 1946 or so because of wartime restrictions (which prevented most station construction for the duration of the war). So the CP for WHDH's upgrade may have predated the other Class II CPs. However, if WHDH's CP did not predate the other Class II CPs, weren't the FCC rules regarding protection of existing stations, CPs, and applications essentially the same then as they are now? That is, wouldn't WHDH have been required to demonstrate in its application that designing to protect only KOA would result in at least the required protections to all of the then licensed, permitted, and applied-for Class IIs? WJW is probably the key to the answer to this question. As suggested by its its three-letter calls (dropped by the AM decades ago but still in use, I believe, on TV), it is a very old station. But it may have moved to 850 only a little before WHDH moved to Needham. Or if WHDH applied to move to Needham before the war, WJW may have applied to move to 850 AFTER WHDH applied to move to Needham but may have completed construction of its 850 facilities before the US entered the war. The history of such things is sometimes very difficult to establish. Despite claims I've heard repeatedly that WHDH (in its 5-kW incarnation in Saugus) was the first full-time US Class II on what had been a de-facto Class IA channel, I believe that those honors rightfully go to WPTF on 680. Both WHDH and WPTF were daytimers for several years (because of KOA and KPO respectively), but I believe that WPTF was licensed for night operation before WHDH was--and well before WLAW (itself, originally a daytimer) even signed on. US AM radio history---I love it! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > < said: > >> For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied >> were >> they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC >> (CFCF) >> 600? > > It wasn't a new station, so there was no additional competition for > advertising. > >> In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to >> continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and >> southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. > > Um, Quebec City is literally due north of WEEI. > > WEEI unaugmented night pattern, electric field at 1 km (mV/m) > RMS = 2623 > min = 1.13 (at 277 degrees true, almost precisely toward KOA) > max = 4168 (at 29 degrees true and again at 131 degrees true) > > The field at 0 degrees true (towards Quebec City) is 3298 mV/m. > The null, loosely defined, is from 311 degrees true (approx. NW) to > 221 degrees (approx. SW). > > KOA, as a class-IB station, would have required stronger protection > than any of the class-II stations on 850, and I believe the pattern > itself is clear evidence that the WEEI array was designed only to > protect KOA, and the protection it gives to the other stations on > the > channel is an artifact. (That is to say, at the time it was built, > eliminating all of those stations from consideration would have > resulted in an identical array design.) > > -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 2 09:50:04 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:50:04 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! Message-ID: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com> Joe, I too am unable to find the WRGB history in the freedom.com site. so I sent them a request for the URL, reporting that I am a native of WRGB-area, and plan to return there soon. I will copy any reply to the group. Bob > > > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > > extensive history of WRGB on the site. > > If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? > > -- From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 2 10:17:12 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:17:12 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! References: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click "News." You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. As for "CBS6" being in Albany, I think that's used only as the website URL and as part of the e-mail address. If memory serves, the station ID before the 6 PM news gives the location as Schenectady-Albany-Troy. Doubtless the Albany moniker is used because Albany is the dominant city and the state capital, but personally I find it irritating, especially given the attention they give to the station's history. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! > Joe, I too am unable to find the WRGB history in the freedom.com site. > so I sent them a request for the URL, reporting that I am a native of > WRGB-area, > and plan to return there soon. I will copy any reply to the group. > > Bob > > > > > > > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > > > extensive history of WRGB on the site. > > > > If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? > > > > -- > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 10:33:37 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:33:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. It does get flakey in Framingham, and I recall being in a spot in Holliston where open terrain actually allowed me to see the WEEI towers 10 miles away, but I must've been right in the null because all I was getting was a badly phase-distorted weak signal. EP OK I grew up in Holliston (family is still there) and live in Framingham. If I'm travelling between the two after dark I lose 850 around the Ashland/Southboro line. However 103.7 comes in just fine, until I hit Route 9 (near the Mass Pike) and get interference from WPKQ. Then I have to swtich back over to 850. I also lose 850 on the Mass Pike itself near the Route 30 exit at night. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 11:07:18 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:07:18 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> That's a tough spot. 1440 is OK (not great, but OK) at night up to the Westboro side of Southboro and then it's gone. Most of the time 103.7 is at least serviceable until you get to Shopper's World along Route 9, then at least you can get some signal from 850. Once you get past Rt. 27, 850 booms right in. It's surprising how quickly that night signal deteriorates just driving a few miles west of Wellesley. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > OK I grew up in Holliston (family is still there) and live in > Framingham. If I'm travelling between the two after dark I lose 850 > around the Ashland/Southboro line. However 103.7 comes in just fine, > until I hit Route 9 (near the Mass Pike) and get interference from > WPKQ. Then I have to swtich back over to 850. I also lose 850 on the > Mass Pike itself near the Route 30 exit at night. From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 2 11:22:23 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:22:23 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND Message-ID: <380-22008262162223828@ix.netcom.com> ok, a weirdness.... if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com news, (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/albany-news/) click at text "read the WRGB history section" (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/) got "404 Not Found, The content you are looking for is unavailable" ah ha, BUT if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com, mouse touch "news" header, (opens menu), then click on blue box "WRGB history", (also http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/) it DOES come up ok! consistantly. my guess is a site programmer error, or site overload, to give a 404. Thank you Doug. > [Original Message] > From: Doug Drown > To: ; > Date: 2/2/2008 10:12:21 AM > Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > > Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click "News." > You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 11:39:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was designed to protect KOA Denver but it was also designed in the 1940's when the population west of Natick was sparse compared to now. Couldn't it be tweaked so night coverage in northern Middlesex county be improved? It is frustrating to hear Mike Adams fighting over the mighty fulltime day signal from Pan Yam whatever in upstate NY I doubt it could be improved west of Framingham because of Denver but certainly it could be improved to the northwest unless I am missing something. I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 2 11:59:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:59:23 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com>, <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47A4A16B.9020205@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I understand wanting to be on the FM band. I don't understand > turning off the AM signals, when the AM signals reach places that the > FM signals don't. What's wrong with having signals in both bands? > I agree. It works well for WXZO (96.7 Willsboro) // WEAV (960 Plattsburgh). The 5 kW AMer goes up and over hills in many places where the FM simply chokes. (The 1320 Randolph is out of market.) Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 2 12:03:48 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:03:48 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up with this stuff. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 12:37:42 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:37:42 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802020937i49d45b9er28c7c7611fd1f816@mail.gmail.com> They also fired all the jocks no announcers with this change On 2/2/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > David Tomm wrote: > > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... > > I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call > this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing > virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up > with this stuff. > > Bill O'Neill > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 11:44:39 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:44:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <881594.67759.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I totally agree with you, Doug. CBA/1070 is an unusual case. This signal should be preserved for situations like the commercial fishermen and boaters who depend on that strong AM signal that covers the entire Maritime Provinces like a glove. FM requires multiple transmitters and is basically useless to the ships at sea. And of course, much of Maritime Canada's economy is maritime based. I really don't think that CBC would lose much in keeping the 1070 signal on the air. The CRTC should consider this to be a special circumstance and should allow the 1070 operation to continue as well as the new FM service. Plus the fact, people in far flung locations truly enjoy the programming of CBC Radio One on 1070 from Moncton, even here in the States. --- Doug Drown wrote: > As for CBC in the Maritimes, I know that one new FM > is being constructed in > P.E.I. to compensate for the loss of 1070 AM in > Moncton. But one of the > complaints I heard about, early on, was from > commercial fishermen and other > boaters who were very dependent upon 1070 for > weather information while out > on the sea. I don't know the CBC plans to address > that. > > I agree: this was a silly idea. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > ; "Scott > Fybush" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:58 PM > Subject: The future of AM radio > > > > This is a two part question that I have been > pondering. > > > > 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major > population areas is > > becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan > to do with the > > unused spectrum? On a related matter would the > CRTC be open to > > allowing non-Canadian signals to readust > protection patterns for > > stations that no longer exist. Prime example would > be WEEI who no > > longer should worry about the former CKVL. > > > > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in > the US outside major > markets? > > > > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC > wanted the national > > service off AM. The expense of providing full FM > coverage has to be > > astronomical given the land area involved. Why > eliminate the blowtorch > > AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially > at night. Will the > > Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Feb 2 12:47:34 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <120197445501@mx04.gis.net> > >Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to >Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite >the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI >towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far >from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. > WEEI is painful / unlistenable as close to the transmitter site as 2.5 - 3 miles away in South Natick along route 16. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Feb 2 12:50:27 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.co m> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <120197462801@mx04.gis.net> > >I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real >estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to >the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. Several years ago Entercom did sell off a piece of their land in Needham for housing. Was mentioned on this list at the time. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 12:56:53 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:56:53 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 AM -0500 2/2/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >I have cable, but I also have a Casio battery-operated LCD portable, >and I'd really like to be able to get a battery-operated converter >for it. It would probably cost less just to replace the portable than to get a converter, if one even ever exists. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 12:58:25 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:58:25 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 AM -0500 2/2/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Feb 2008 at 20:04, Doug Drown wrote: > >> I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and >> noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" >> moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. > >I notice the URL is CBS6Albany.com . Did they change their COL from >Schenectady? I believe they can use anything they want for the URL of their web site, that is not something the FCC licenses. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 2 13:06:20 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:06:20 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <120197445501@mx04.gis.net> Message-ID: <01b501c865c6$5129c100$6501a8c0@pastor2> When I lived in north central Mass. years ago, I never could get the old WHDH at night. In fact, the only Boston station that did come in after dark was WBZ. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Eli Polonsky" ; Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > > > >Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to > >Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite > >the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI > >towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far > >from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. > > > > WEEI is painful / unlistenable as close to the transmitter site > as 2.5 - 3 miles away in South Natick along route 16. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 13:02:38 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:02:38 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> Message-ID: At 2:24 AM -0500 2/2/08, David Tomm wrote: >There are also many channels on the Canadian services that play >primarily Canadian Content. That was the deal XM and Sirius struck >with the CRTC to expand their reach north of the border. Much of >that stuff is gosh-awful and the handful of hits get ridiculously >overplayed. This stuff can be found in abundance on local >terrestrial stations. Satellite listeners in Canada are burnt out >on the Cancon, and getting the US service gives them a much wider >variety of music to choose from. At this point the Canadian service includes most of the US music channels. They were able to carry more US channels by adding Canadian traffic channels. The regulation just specifies a ratio of US channels to Canadian channels. US subscriptions to Sirius also include the Canadian channels, though some of them are only available if you have a newer receiver. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 13:05:22 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:05:22 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: At 2:35 AM -0500 2/2/08, David Tomm wrote: >As of 6pm last night, WBOS is now calling itself "Radio 92.9" and >has flipped to a gold intensive alternative format. The playlist is >heavy with 90's grunge like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Red >Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Weezer, Green Day, Stone Temple Pilots, Foo >Fighters, etc. They're playing a couple of currents an hour but >that's about it. Most of the songs on their playlist are also on >WBCN and WFNX. Even WAAF is playing a lot of those artists as well. >According to an article on radioandrecords.com, GM is calling it an >updated AAA format, but it's really just another 90's based rock >station. Like we really need another one of those..... So it seems the only AAA left in the Boston market is WRVX. Though, looking at some of the stuff that's come out about WUMB recently, both last week's globe article and their recent member newsletter, it seems they may be moving somewhat in that direction also. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Feb 2 13:14:43 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:14:43 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND References: <380-22008262162223828@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <004101c865c7$7d153be0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Actually it is clearly a "coding error".. the url that ends with "....cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/" is looking for an html document named "wrgbhistory" in the "sections" folder... the url that ends with "...cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/" is looking for a html document named "history" in the "wrgb" folder in the "sections" folder... Fat fingers will get you all the time! Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND > ok, a weirdness.... > > if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com > news, (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/albany-news/) > click at text "read the WRGB history section" > (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/) > got "404 Not Found, The content you are looking for is unavailable" > > > ah ha, BUT if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com, > mouse touch "news" header, (opens menu), then click on blue box "WRGB > history", > (also http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/) > it DOES come up ok! consistantly. > > my guess is a site programmer error, or site overload, to give a 404. > > Thank you Doug. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Doug Drown > > To: ; > > Date: 2/2/2008 10:12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > > > > Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click > "News." > > You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Feb 2 13:18:11 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:18:11 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c865c7$f91ec620$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Actually, WREF Ridgefield (Danbury) CT is usually the culprit for me here in Derry from about 1 hour before sunset until 30 minutes after, then once WREF signs of, I'm good to go the rest of the night.. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry PS: WFAN was booming like a local from Derry to Laconia this morning 7-8AM, no fade outs....as I listened to Giants fans try to fabricate reasons that NYG will beat the Pats! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:39 AM To: David Tomm Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: The future of AM radio To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was designed to protect KOA Denver but it was also designed in the 1940's when the population west of Natick was sparse compared to now. Couldn't it be tweaked so night coverage in northern Middlesex county be improved? It is frustrating to hear Mike Adams fighting over the mighty fulltime day signal from Pan Yam whatever in upstate NY I doubt it could be improved west of Framingham because of Denver but certainly it could be improved to the northwest unless I am missing something. I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Feb 2 13:20:16 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:20:16 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020937i49d45b9er28c7c7611fd1f816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501c865c8$439916b0$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Could this be a purge for a subsequently new DIFFERENT format (ESPN 92.9 anyone?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:38 PM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: New format for WBOS They also fired all the jocks no announcers with this change On 2/2/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > David Tomm wrote: > > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... > > I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call > this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing > virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up > with this stuff. > > Bill O'Neill > From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Feb 2 13:24:59 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:24:59 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com><869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006001c865c8$ed7cc1e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> An interesting question becomes...if the FCC follows through with allowing IBOC on at nighttimes and the industry utilizes the opportunity under the guise that "Local Coverage" is AM radio's "mission," should all these carefully designed antenna patterns protecting stations well across the country, be scrapped? Why protect someone in Denver if you're trashing other closer stations on two adjacent frequencies either side? Just wondering... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "David Tomm" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was > designed to protect KOA Denver but it was also designed in the 1940's > when the population west of Natick was sparse compared to now. > Couldn't it be tweaked so night coverage in northern Middlesex county > be improved? It is frustrating to hear Mike Adams fighting over the > mighty fulltime day signal from Pan Yam whatever in upstate NY > > I doubt it could be improved west of Framingham because of Denver but > certainly it could be improved to the northwest unless I am missing > something. > > I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real > estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to > the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 13:26:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:35 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <002501c865c8$439916b0$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802020937i49d45b9er28c7c7611fd1f816@mail.gmail.com> <002501c865c8$439916b0$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802021026l6efaf489td8813abea9b706c8@mail.gmail.com> Well Greater Media has a sports outlet in Philly http://sr950.com/ But GM and ESPN had an ugly divorce in Philly.....ESPN is now on 3 rimshotters LANSDALE, PA WNPV-AM 1440 PHILADELPHIA READING, PA WIOV-AM 1240 PHILADELPHIA EATON, PA WEEX-AM 1230 PHILADELPHIA Still for anybody to attack WEEI they need a big talent. I suppose they could make a run at Ordway who can't be happy to find out what Howie was and now is making as he certainly was bringing in more revenue to Entercom. At least Greater Media now knows how NOT to sign an Entercom employee. On 2/2/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Could this be a purge for a subsequently new DIFFERENT format (ESPN 92.9 > anyone?) > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 13:41:24 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802021026l6efaf489td8813abea9b706c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <786707.61813.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > But GM and ESPN had an ugly divorce in Philly.....ESPN is now on 3 > rimshotters > > LANSDALE, PA WNPV-AM 1440 PHILADELPHIA > READING, PA WIOV-AM 1240 PHILADELPHIA > EATON, PA WEEX-AM 1230 PHILADELPHIA ESPN never was on 950 in Philly, and it's always been on 1240 and 1230 in Reading and Easton, respectively, for as long as I can recall. ESPN was on 920 in Trenton, which positioned itself as a Philly station. The signal was OK in the metro during the day. They even had one of the Phils' radio guys, Tom McCarthy, who started out as voice of the Trenton Thunder, as their afternoon guy. 920 is back to religion (?), and Disney/ABC recently moved its programming to 1040, which you can't hear at all in Philly. (I tried last week.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 2 13:44:13 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:44:13 -0700 Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: >>if the FCC follows through with allowing IBOC on at nighttimes<< "If" is no longer the issue. IBOC-AM at night has been authorized since September 14th, 2007. >>Why protect someone in Denver if you're trashing other closer stations on two adjacent frequencies either side?<< The resulting interference has already caused one major group owner, Citadel, to order IBOC-AM operations to cease during nighttime hours. Reportedly there were complaints that WJR was interfering with Cox's WSB, with further reports of interference between WJR and WABC...both of these adjacent-channel situations. Bob Savage, the owner of a stand-alone AM on 1040 kHz in Avon NY (outside Rochester) is claiming destructive interference from WBZ's IBOC signal, 351 miles away, during nighttime hours, and has filed an application with the FCC to order WBZ to turn it off at night. >>I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real estate in that area is now gold. I know they were looking at moving to the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that.<< You're surprised that we kept a place to transmit from? What were we supposed to do? We all know that finding enough land to build a directional antenna system in an overbuilt metropolitan area like Boston is pretty much impossible. Sure, we'd get a hefty bundle from selling the land in Wellesley...one time. WEEI bills in the millions per year...every year. I don't claim to speak for the company, but selling that land makes no sense unless the station isn't earning its keep, and WEEI is not nearly in that category. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 13:57:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:57:01 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <786707.61813.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770802021026l6efaf489td8813abea9b706c8@mail.gmail.com> <786707.61813.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802021057p596f4c1cl832690f8cb2d4e3e@mail.gmail.com> I also remember ESPN being on 1680 in Trenton for a bit as when the Red Sox had their AA team there you could hear the game at night clearly in Boston. On 2/2/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > > ESPN never was on 950 in Philly, and it's always been on 1240 and 1230 > in Reading and Easton, respectively, for as long as I can recall. > > ESPN was on 920 in Trenton, which positioned itself as a Philly > station. The signal was OK in the metro during the day. They even had > one of the Phils' radio guys, Tom McCarthy, who started out as voice of > the Trenton Thunder, as their afternoon guy. > > 920 is back to religion (?), and Disney/ABC recently moved its > programming to 1040, which you can't hear at all in Philly. (I tried > last week.) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 13:09:48 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:09:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Garrett Wollman wrote: KOA, as a class-IB station, would have required stronger protection than any of the class-II stations on 850, and I believe the pattern itself is clear evidence that the WEEI array was designed only to protect KOA, and the protection it gives to the other stations on the channel is an artifact. (That is to say, at the time it was built, eliminating all of those stations from consideration would have resulted in an identical array design.) The WEEI towers are very tall -- around 5/8th wave, IIRC. As a result, I've always wondered whether WHDH/Boston Herald-Traveler had a plan to try to get the station designated as a I-B and built the antenna to those specs. I don't know the old rules well enough to know whether that would have required less protection to KOA -- as even though it operated and still does non-DA, the rules said that I-B stations were to operate with directional antennas at night as required to protect each other. Perhaps, in theory, the FCC could have decided KOA would have to use a DA-night if it assigned a I-B to Boston. Just rank speculation. Meanwhile, those tall towers, I suppose, deliver a helluva skywave signal to the Grand Banks or someplace out there. As for the 590, 680 and 850 signals to the west at night: They all deteriorate rapidly going west on the Mass Pike from around as close in as the eastbound Natick service plaza and are useless before I-495. In some respects, 590 has the cleanest signal -- no other signals gobbling it up. It first becomes unusable because of splash from 580. Just another of the many places that make me wonder why the owners thought 850 was such a big improvement over 590. For example, on the South Shore, Marshfield, Plymouth, etc., 590 is clear and strong at night and 850 is shaky. Sometimes I think they just got caught up in the size-matters thing -- 50 kW must be better than 5 kW. And they could have added all simulcast stations they have now if they stayed on 590. Someday maybe I'll rent a boat so I can compare the night signals on the Grand Banks ... :) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 13:10:41 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <881594.67759.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <413943.79718.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Peter Q. George" wrote: > I totally agree with you, Doug. CBA/1070 is an > unusual case. This signal should be preserved for > situations like the commercial fishermen and boaters > who depend on that strong AM signal that covers the > entire Maritime Provinces like a glove. FM requires > multiple transmitters and is basically useless to the > ships at sea. And of course, much of Maritime > Canada's economy is maritime based. I really don't > think that CBC would lose much in keeping the 1070 > signal on the air. The CRTC should consider this to > be a special circumstance and should allow the 1070 > operation to continue as well as the new FM service. > Plus the fact, people in far flung locations truly > enjoy the programming of CBC Radio One on 1070 from > Moncton, even here in the States. Isn't CBC still available on shortwave? Wouldn't shortwave be an option for those out on the ocean? If so, are shortwave receivers that expensive? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hmadjid@gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:20:31 2008 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:20:31 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: Kevin Vahey writes: >The big losers in this will be the night watchmen and parking lot >attendants who have a little 5 inch b&w tv. I can't see themselves >getting a decoder. I suspect my tiny CASIO color tv will meet the same >fate. I have observed Many of these night watchmen & parking attendant types are watching one of those portable DVD players, not over the air TV, these days. I even observe many of these folks have a radio tuned in, curiously enough, to the overnight BBC broadcast on 'BUR. -- 73 de Hakim (N1ZFF). From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 15:17:22 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:17:22 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <413943.79718.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <413943.79718.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 10:10 AM -0800 2/2/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > >Isn't CBC still available on shortwave? Radio Canada International carries some CBC programming, but not the same as a domestic CBC station would. >Wouldn't shortwave be an option for those out on the ocean? Yea, but I don't think RCI has the programming the sailors are looking for, like weather forecasts. And shortwave propagation is iffy at best. > >If so, are shortwave receivers that expensive? > Like anything, you can get a cheap one or a good one. A moderately priced portable of reasonable quality would be around $150. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 2 15:09:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:09:59 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> Although it's possible, I rather doubt that the Herald Traveler had any thoughts of upgrading WHDH to a Class IB. I suspect, instead, that the tall towers were nothing more nor less than a way to maximize the groundwave coverage in a region whose poor soil conductivity is legendary. Although CDBS lists the electrical length of all three towers as 207 degrees (because of "mutual inductance;" 207 degrees is greater than 5/9 wavelength but less than 5/8), the towers are of unequal heights, part of a largely unsuccessful strategy to minimize selective fading in areas where both the groundwave and skywave are received. The west tower is 640' (199 degrees); the center tower is 600' (186.7 degrees--including the section at the top that is removable--but was never removed--for mounting of a top-mounted FM antenna); and the east tower is 560' (174.3 degrees). Both WHDH and WLAW upgraded to 50 kW shortly after World War II. Most likely, the planning for both upgrades was done before the war. I'm sure there was intense competition between the consulting engineers to design the better facility (that is, the one that provided superior coverage). It was no secret that, because of its lower frequency, WLAW had a natural advantage in coverage. Curiously, the fact that WLAW was licensed to Lawrence but wanted to serve Boston forced on it a transmitter location and a directional pattern that were, for the most part, superior to WHDH's. WHDH's tall towers were almost certainly part of an effort by its engineers to level the playing field as much as possible. I don't know whether Hanscom Field existed when WLAW was planned and built, but if the airfield existed or was itself in the planning stages, both sets of engineers realized that WLAW could never have towers anywhere near 1/2 wavelength. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > --- Garrett Wollman wrote: > > The WEEI towers are very tall -- around 5/8th > wave, IIRC. As a result, I've always wondered whether > WHDH/Boston Herald-Traveler had a plan to try to get > the station designated as a I-B and built the antenna > to those specs. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 15:48:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:48:52 -0500 Subject: Why are some digital channels on VHF? Message-ID: <4fc429770802021248n7bd0927cv7a47bf4246d2c3e1@mail.gmail.com> I am curious why in some markets some stations have been assigned digital channels in the VHF band? For example WBBM-DT Chicago is now on Channel 3 and will move to Channel 12 next year. In New York WPIX-DT is on Channel 12 LA is all UHF, as is Philadelphia, Boston, These seem to be the exception to the rule but there must be a reason for it. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 15:54:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:54:45 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802021254l39c27f30w59a236d66f3f2048@mail.gmail.com> It appears the airport was built in 1941 and taken over by the government the following year. http://yosemite.epa.gov/r1/npl_pad.nsf/f52fa5c31fa8f5c885256adc0050b631/C9CB3FC4B770296D8525691F0063F6CD?OpenDocument In 1942, the military began using a public airfield at the site that had been built the previous year. In 1952, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts transferred 396 acres and leased 641 acres of the land to the Air Force. The Commonwealth retained the remaining 83 acres for its own use. Military flight operations ceased in 1973 and in August 1974, the airfield reverted to state control and was renamed L.G. Hanscom Field. On 2/2/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: I don't know whether Hanscom Field existed when WLAW was > planned and built, but if the airfield existed or was itself in the > planning stages, both sets of engineers realized that WLAW could never > have towers anywhere near 1/2 wavelength. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Waters" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > > > > > --- Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > > The WEEI towers are very tall -- around 5/8th > > wave, IIRC. As a result, I've always wondered whether > > WHDH/Boston Herald-Traveler had a plan to try to get > > the station designated as a I-B and built the antenna > > to those specs. > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 2 15:32:14 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:32:14 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <413943.79718.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d901c865da$b2707710$6501a8c0@pastor2> CBC is available on shortwave (or was, the last I knew), and the transmitting facility ---- which is enormous --- is located on the Tantramar Marshes between Sackville, N.B., and Amherst, N.S. That having been said, however, it's not regionally-oriented, so the seafarers wouldn't get a local weather report from it. I guess they'll all have to get laptops so they can listen online. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > "Peter Q. George" wrote: > > I totally agree with you, Doug. CBA/1070 is an > > unusual case. This signal should be preserved for > > situations like the commercial fishermen and boaters > > who depend on that strong AM signal that covers the > > entire Maritime Provinces like a glove. FM requires > > multiple transmitters and is basically useless to the > > ships at sea. And of course, much of Maritime > > Canada's economy is maritime based. I really don't > > think that CBC would lose much in keeping the 1070 > > signal on the air. The CRTC should consider this to > > be a special circumstance and should allow the 1070 > > operation to continue as well as the new FM service. > > Plus the fact, people in far flung locations truly > > enjoy the programming of CBC Radio One on 1070 from > > Moncton, even here in the States. > > Isn't CBC still available on shortwave? > > Wouldn't shortwave be an option for those out on the ocean? > > If so, are shortwave receivers that expensive? > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 2 18:02:56 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:02:56 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS References: <002501c865c8$439916b0$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <006d01c865ef$c05d7ac0$95814c0c@oemcomputer> That was my thought. Clear Channel recently flipped urban WPHH Hartford to '90s-centric alternative, jockless, then announced that the station was for sale a couple of months later. So '90s alternative would appear to be nothing more than an on-the-cheap placeholder format on 104.1. Could the format on 92.5 in Boston be serving a similar purpose? Howard From: Paul Hopfgarten > Could this be a purge for a subsequently new DIFFERENT format (ESPN 92.9 > anyone?) > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:38 PM > To: Bill O'Neill > Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: New format for WBOS > > They also fired all the jocks no announcers with this change > > On 2/2/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > David Tomm wrote: > > > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > > > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... > > > > I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call > > this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing > > virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up > > with this stuff. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 2 21:25:17 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:25:17 -0500 Subject: Why are some digital channels on VHF? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802021248n7bd0927cv7a47bf4246d2c3e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802021248n7bd0927cv7a47bf4246d2c3e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18341.9741.600467.754315@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I am curious why in some markets some stations have been assigned > digital channels in the VHF band? For example WBBM-DT Chicago is now > on Channel 3 and will move to Channel 12 next year. Why not? They have to go somewhere, and bands I and III aren't interesting to wireless carriers so there's no big auction windfall waiting around the corner. >From a technical point of view, every station would be on VHF-high (band III in ITU terminology) if it could, to maximize coverage while minimizing electricity usage. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 2 21:28:05 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:28:05 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18341.9909.598110.685461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just another of the many places that make me > wonder why the owners thought 850 was such a big > improvement over 590. The then-owners of 850, American Radio Systems, already had two AM stations, and under the rules of the time were not legally permitted to buy another one. It wasn't a matter of 850 being "such a big improvement over 590", it was a matter of the programming then on 590 making good money and the owners of 850 making the investment to purchase that programming. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 2 21:29:07 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:29:07 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: <18341.9971.812792.480618@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > According to an article on radioandrecords.com, GM is calling it an > updated AAA format, but it's really just another 90's based rock > station. Based on about thirty minutes of listening this afternoon, I'd say it's not even close to anything I'd call AAA, updated or not. Updated legal ID in the Archives in a few hours. :-) -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Sat Feb 2 22:21:20 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:21:20 -0500 Subject: Why are some digital channels on VHF? In-Reply-To: <18341.9741.600467.754315@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802021248n7bd0927cv7a47bf4246d2c3e1@mail.gmail.com> <18341.9741.600467.754315@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47A53330.1060201@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I am curious why in some markets some stations have been assigned >> digital channels in the VHF band? For example WBBM-DT Chicago is now >> on Channel 3 and will move to Channel 12 next year. > > Why not? They have to go somewhere, and bands I and III aren't > interesting to wireless carriers so there's no big auction windfall > waiting around the corner. > >>From a technical point of view, every station would be on VHF-high > (band III in ITU terminology) if it could, to maximize coverage while > minimizing electricity usage. And as we get past the analog sunset just over a year from now, we'll be seeing a lot more DTV operation on VHF, as many stations migrate back to their former analog channel for digital operation. Mike Fitzpatrick's NECRAT site has complete lists of post-transition channel assignments for New England: http://www.necrat.com/dtv.html After the dust settles, the Boston market will have stations on 7 (WHDH) and 10 (WWDP), Providence will have 12 (WNAC) and 13 (WPRI), NH will still have good ol' 9 (WMUR) and 11 (WENH), and so on. There's not enough space in the post-transition UHF band (14-51) to squeeze in all the TV stations that need space on the dial. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 21:37:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:37:37 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <671857.3135.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802021837w4aa20d3t9f51876156fe3857@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 2, 2008 1:09 PM, Martin Waters wrote: > > Meanwhile, those tall towers, I suppose, deliver a > helluva skywave signal to the Grand Banks or someplace > out there. I have heard 850 in the daytime in Newfoundland > > Just another of the many places that make me > wonder why the owners thought 850 was such a big > improvement over 590. For example, on the South Shore, > Marshfield, Plymouth, etc., 590 is clear and strong at > night and 850 is shaky. Sometimes I think they just > got caught up in the size-matters thing -- 50 kW must > be better than 5 kW. And they could have added all > simulcast stations they have now if they stayed on > 590. > > Someday maybe I'll rent a boat so I can compare > the night signals on the Grand Banks ... :) > The late Mac Richmond said it best.....50,000 watts looks better on a rate card to some buyer in New York. From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Feb 2 23:33:51 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228376.20095.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 10:10 AM -0800 2/2/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > > > >Isn't CBC still available on shortwave? > > Radio Canada International carries some CBC programming, but not the > same as a domestic CBC station would. > > >Wouldn't shortwave be an option for those out on the ocean? > > Yea, but I don't think RCI has the programming the sailors are > looking for, like weather forecasts. And shortwave propagation is > iffy at best. > > > > >If so, are shortwave receivers that expensive? > > > > Like anything, you can get a cheap one or a good one. A moderately > priced portable of reasonable quality would be around $150. Figured there were good reasons for shortwave not being a viable option. Thanks, Larry, for filling me in. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 3 02:15:27 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:15:27 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <47A523BF.2043.8DFA02@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2008 at 12:58, Larry Weil wrote: > I believe they can use anything they want for the URL of their web > site, that is not something the FCC licenses. I understand that. But why would they use cbs6albany.com? When I told my browser to go to wrgb.com, that's what it was redicected to. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 3 02:15:27 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:15:27 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com>, <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A523BF.21864.8DFB79@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2008 at 10:17, Doug Drown wrote: > Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click > "News." You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. Thanks. that's really interesting. I did find one error. They list the TV stations operating in 1945 as including DuMont's WABC in New York. That should be WABD, which stood for Allen B. DuMont. In 1945, WABC was actually the call letters of CBS's flagship radio station in New York. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Feb 3 02:17:20 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:17:20 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <228376.20095.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <228376.20095.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A56A80.9010803@gabrielmass.com> > Larry Weil wrote: >> At 10:10 AM -0800 2/2/08, Sean Smyth wrote: >>> Isn't CBC still available on shortwave? >> Radio Canada International carries some CBC programming, but not the >> same as a domestic CBC station would. The CBC Northern Service used to be audible in New England for most of the daytime hours on shortwave, but CBC has dropped those transmissions in favor of AM and FM. However, proving that everything old becomes new again, a proposal for digital shortwave (using the Digital Radio Mondiale format) has appeared: http://cbc.am/cbc-src.htm --RC From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Feb 3 06:27:04 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:27:04 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com>, <47A523BF.2043.8DFA02@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <024301c86657$b43be070$6501a8c0@pastor2> This is the point I've been making for a long time. People in the Capital District (and many elsewhere) know WRGB. They know Channel 6, Schenectady. So why not call it WRGB 6 (wrgb6.com) or something similar? It's not an Albany station; it's never been identified with Albany in its whole 80-year history. And the "CBS6" thing, IMHO, is a diminution of history. CBS found that out in Boston, didn't they? (Whatever happened to "CBS4"?) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: "boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: WRGB is back! > On 2 Feb 2008 at 12:58, Larry Weil wrote: > > > I believe they can use anything they want for the URL of their web > > site, that is not something the FCC licenses. > > I understand that. But why would they use cbs6albany.com? When I > told my browser to go to wrgb.com, that's what it was redicected to. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From francini@mac.com Sun Feb 3 10:16:46 2008 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:16:46 -0500 Subject: Hourly beeps In-Reply-To: <000401c862de$c8dbf820$5a93e860$@net> References: <000401c862de$c8dbf820$5a93e860$@net> Message-ID: <4A00F971-1089-481D-89EF-631686FE04AB@mac.com> For those who don't use Internet Explorer, the sound file is at . The site uses a non-standard tag to play the audio as a 'background'. john On 29 Jan 2008, at 20:23, Bill Dillane wrote: >> The WTIC Hartford CT hourly sounder "dah-dah-dah-dar" (Letter "V" >> in Morse > Code) is still a unique, hourly audible beep in broadcasting, I > think. > > WTIC-TV-3 in the 60s had its radio tone going into the CBS tone at > the top > of the hour. > > The V tone is at the WTIC Alumni site at www.wticalumni.com (audio > works > with Internet Explorer, not Firefox). > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 3 10:41:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:41:27 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! References: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com>, <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A523BF.21864.8DFB79@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001201c8667b$3f1ced10$deeca644@SatU205S5044> Was AM 880 still WABC as late as 1945? I thought that WEAF 660 became WNBC and the old WABC 880 became WCBS around 1943. Both stations changed calls on the same day (or only a day or two apart). OTOH, WJZ 770 didn't become the new WABC until much later--maybe as late as 1950. The station's owner, the company that had been known as the Blue Network Co after its spin-off from NBC (and later changed its name to ABC), realized that it would take a while for the association between the WABC calls and the 880 frequency to fade in the public's mind. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; ; "Doug Drown" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > On 2 Feb 2008 at 10:17, Doug Drown wrote: > >> Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and >> click >> "News." You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. > > Thanks. that's really interesting. > > I did find one error. They list the TV stations operating in 1945 > as > including DuMont's WABC in New York. That should be WABD, which > stood for Allen B. DuMont. In 1945, WABC was actually the call > letters of CBS's flagship radio station in New York. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From sid@wrko.com Sun Feb 3 10:47:11 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:47:11 -0700 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! Message-ID: July 1, 1953 was the date of the call sign change from WJZ to WABC. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: Ross, A. Joseph To: Sent: 2/3/2008 10:41:27 AM Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! Was AM 880 still WABC as late as 1945? I thought that WEAF 660 became WNBC and the old WABC 880 became WCBS around 1943. Both stations changed calls on the same day (or only a day or two apart). OTOH, WJZ 770 didn't become the new WABC until much later--maybe as late as 1950. The station's owner, the company that had been known as the Blue Network Co after its spin-off from NBC (and later changed its name to ABC), realized that it would take a while for the association between the WABC calls and the 880 frequency to fade in the public's mind. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; ; "Doug Drown" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > On 2 Feb 2008 at 10:17, Doug Drown wrote: > >> Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and >> click >> "News." You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. > > Thanks. that's really interesting. > > I did find one error. They list the TV stations operating in 1945 > as > including DuMont's WABC in New York. That should be WABD, which > stood for Allen B. DuMont. In 1945, WABC was actually the call > letters of CBS's flagship radio station in New York. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 3 10:50:21 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:50:21 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <001201c8667b$3f1ced10$deeca644@SatU205S5044> References: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com>, <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A523BF.21864.8DFB79@joe.attorneyross.com> <001201c8667b$3f1ced10$deeca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47A5E2BD.5040507@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Was AM 880 still WABC as late as 1945? I thought that WEAF 660 became > WNBC and the old WABC 880 became WCBS around 1943. Both stations > changed calls on the same day (or only a day or two apart). OTOH, WJZ > 770 didn't become the new WABC until much later--maybe as late as > 1950. The station's owner, the company that had been known as the Blue > Network Co after its spin-off from NBC (and later changed its name to > ABC), realized that it would take a while for the association between > the WABC calls and the 880 frequency to fade in the public's mind. The WEAF/WNBC and WABC/WCBS transitions happened on the same date - Nov. 1, 1946. WJZ became WABC on Mar. 1, 1953. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 3 11:00:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:00:33 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <024301c86657$b43be070$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com>, <47A523BF.2043.8DFA02@joe.attorneyross.com> <024301c86657$b43be070$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A5E521.6040104@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > This is the point I've been making for a long time. People in the Capital > District (and many elsewhere) know WRGB. They know Channel 6, Schenectady. > So why not call it WRGB 6 (wrgb6.com) or something similar? It's not an > Albany station; it's never been identified with Albany in its whole 80-year > history. And the "CBS6" thing, IMHO, is a diminution of history. CBS found > that out in Boston, didn't they? (Whatever happened to "CBS4"?) Anyone else here actually been to Schenectady lately? The city has fallen on very hard times in recent decades. With the exception of a few bright spots (Proctor's Theatre, Union College), the city really doesn't have much of anything going for it these days. GE is still there, but not as the driving economic force it used to be. Even the local paper no longer brands itself as the "Schenectady Gazette." It's the "Daily Gazette," and it markets itself as much to outlying Schoharie County and Amsterdam as it does to Schenectady proper. To the extent that the market area served by WRGB has any economic vitality at all, it's due to the presence of the state capital in Albany and to a certain amount of suburban growth that's been mainly along the I-87 Northway corridor in northern Albany and southern Saratoga counties. That's not an area that associates much, if at all, with "Schenectady." So I guess I can't really fault WRGB for trying to brand itself as something other than a "Schenectady" station. There's not a lot of "Schenectady" branding anymore on WGY, either - and its studios haven't even been in Schenectady County for the last 15 years or so. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 3 11:29:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:29:47 -0500 Subject: Maybe Scott can unravel this FCC move from long ago Message-ID: <4fc429770802030829u64f0f2e9o4f96688102625000@mail.gmail.com> I touched on this a couple of weeks back concerning some curious FCC moves in Chicago. In 1953 ABC merged with Paramount which owned WBKB channel 4 in Chicago. ABC owned WEWR channel 7. ABC had to sell one and here the fun begins. ABC sold channel 4 to CBS for short money at 6 million. CBS then moved to channel 2 and became WBBM-TV. ABC moved the WBKB calls to channel 7. What is unclear is how the FCC revoked the channel 2 license owned by Zenith to allow Paley to move to channel 2. The FCC reassigned channel 4 to Milwaukee and WGN which was both a Dumont and CBS affiate became the only non-network VHF in what was then the #2 market. It appears Zenith did not contest the move and donated their transmitter to new public station WTTW channel 11. Was Zenith promised something in return? WBKB would become WLS-TV in 1968. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 3 11:43:24 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:43:24 -0500 Subject: Maybe Scott can unravel this FCC move from long ago In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802030829u64f0f2e9o4f96688102625000@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802030829u64f0f2e9o4f96688102625000@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18341.61228.835767.856444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < What is unclear is how the FCC revoked the channel 2 license owned > by Zenith to allow Paley to move to channel 2. Zenith's channel 2 was never licensed commercially; that may have been one reason. According to : The folks at Zenith Radio Corp. were none too pleased by this move. Zenith had been operating its Phonevision experimental programming on channel 2. Cmndr. E.F. McDonald, president of Zenith protested the FCC decision, claiming it had been the sole occupant of channel 2 since 1939. But the FCC didn't see it Zenith's way. On July 5, 1953 WBBM-TV moved to channel 2 and Chicago's channel 4 went dark. In a September 9, 1956 article of the Chicago Tribune about the three major networks warming up to the idea of airing their "spectacular" programming via a pay television system instead of through their normal operations, McDonald, still licking his wounds after losing channel 2 to CBS, blasted the networks new position stating that true pay television would provide the viewer with programming that conventional sponsorship could not offer. Though Zenith never operated another television station in Chicago, it did donate it's facilities to WTTW -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Feb 3 11:43:49 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:43:49 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <47A523BF.2043.8DFA02@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> <47A523BF.2043.8DFA02@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 2:15 AM -0500 2/3/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 2 Feb 2008 at 12:58, Larry Weil wrote: > >> I believe they can use anything they want for the URL of their web >> site, that is not something the FCC licenses. > >I understand that. But why would they use cbs6albany.com? Marketing! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 3 12:01:37 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:01:37 -0500 Subject: Maybe Scott can unravel this FCC move from long ago In-Reply-To: <18341.61228.835767.856444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802030829u64f0f2e9o4f96688102625000@mail.gmail.com> <18341.61228.835767.856444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47A5F371.8010303@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < >> What is unclear is how the FCC revoked the channel 2 license owned >> by Zenith to allow Paley to move to channel 2. > > Zenith's channel 2 was never licensed commercially; that may have been > one reason. That's quite correct - and I'm not at all clear as to why Zenith never applied for a commercial license, which would have been granted quite easily, considering how long the company had been established in Chicago television by then. It may also have been that Zenith saw television broadcasting as becoming a big-ticket business, especially for a station with no hope of a network affiliation (the sale of the WBKB-TV 4 license to CBS meant that each of the "Big 3" networks owned its own Chicago outlet, while DuMont had a strong relationship with Tribune's WGN-TV), so it provided an opportunity to exit gracefully. I suspect the organization that would eventually become WTTW on channel 11 must have been pretty well established by then; had the plans for educational TV in Chicago been less settled, one might imagine Zenith trying to get channel 11 reallocated for commercial use. It's interesting to imagine what might have happened had Zenith been commercially licensed on channel 2 in 1953. WBBM-TV would have had to stay on 4, which would in turn have forced WTMJ either to stay on 3 (reallocating Kalamazoo to some channel other than 3, and ultimately making Madison an all-UHF market), or perhaps WBBM would have been shuffled up to 13, affecting later allocations on that channel in Grand Rapids and Rockford. One wonders, too, whether WGN-TV would have been so dominant an independent had it had competition on the VHF dial from Zenith on channel 2. (Had Zenith managed to stay put on 2, it's a pretty good bet that we'd now have "Fox 2 Chicago" instead of "Fox 32 Chicago"!) s From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sun Feb 3 11:07:46 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:07:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: It was no secret that, because of its lower frequency, WLAW had a natural advantage in coverage. Curiously, the fact that WLAW was licensed to Lawrence but wanted to serve Boston forced on it a transmitter location and a directional pattern that were, for the most part, superior to WHDH's. -------------- Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That way, it should have done better in metro west -- which, now that it has a substantial population, is the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM station except WBZ. From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 3 12:13:22 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:13:22 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A5F632.2040705@fybush.com> Martin Waters wrote: > Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a > site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That > way, it should have done better in metro west -- > which, now that it has a substantial population, is > the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM > station except WBZ. I'm guessing WHDH was constrained by the old rules that required 25 mV/m over the main post office of the city of license. (Compare that to the current rules, which require only 5 mV/m over the entire city.) Under the old rules, stations were quite limited as to how far out of town they could go before the signal over downtown became too weak. This was less of an issue for WBZ, with its salt-water path from Hull to downtown, than for WHDH, with relatively lousy ground conductivity between Needham and downtown. s From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 3 12:16:57 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:16:57 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18341.63241.82052.70440@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a > site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That > way, it should have done better in metro west -- > which, now that it has a substantial population, is > the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM > station except WBZ. Only to a point. Remember, WBZ's transmitter site in Millis was by all indications a flop. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 3 12:25:03 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c86689$bac5ff70$deeca644@SatU205S5044> The issue would have been delivering 25 mV/m to the the CoL's "central business district." (This was ultimately defined as the main post office--I don't know whether that definition was operative yet in 1946, but it may have been; central business district was obviously way too vague.) For Boston, I don't know whether the main post office is considered to be South Postal Annex near South Station, which is where most of the work gets done, or the granite building right near Post Office Square. The 25 mV/m requirement was abolished in the late 1980s, I think, leaving only the requirements to cover the entire area of the CoL with 5 mV/m by day (including CH) and 80% of the population with an NIF signal by night. When 1510 moved to Waltham in 1981, though, the old 25 mV/m requirement still existed, kind of forcing the high-on-the-dial station, despite its 50 kW-U and 198-degree towers, to locate in the undesirable spot where it landed. Anyhow, according to V-Soft, WHDH (WEEI) delivers only about 35 mV/m to Boston's 02101 Zip code showing that there wasn't a lot of leeway in where the transmitter could be located. I don't know how free the FCC was with waivers of the 25 mV/m requirement, but 1150 received such a waiver; its signal strength in the 02101 Zip is only in the mid teens. I think there might have been problems, though, with obtaining such a waiver for a 50 kW station with half-wave towers directionalizing toward its CoL. As for WHDH becoming a IB, an idea you commented on in this thread a couple of days ago, I believe that it was already impossible on the day WHDH signed on. I don't know how different the formulas were back then compared with those used today for calculating NIFs. (I suspect that, out to a certain distance, the old formulas for estimating the 10% skywave signals that entered into the NIF calculation predicted weaker signals than do today's formulas. Beyond that distance (no, I don't know how many miles or kilometers it might be), the opposite may well be true. (My reasoning is that, until maybe 15 or 20 years ago, nobody worried much about interference from mainland stations to Hawaiian stations. For example, sometime in the 70s or 80s, I think, KFMB was granted 50 kW-N with a pattern that sends the equivalent of substantially more than 100 kW straight at KGU--Hawaii's oldest station. No way would such an upgrade be allowed today!) In any event, the only US ex-1B that is co-channel with another ex-IB that runs ND-U is KGO; it's about 780 miles further from WGY than WHDH was from KOA. I suspect that the NIF calculations probably established that WHDH had an NIF in the low 3 mV/m range--essentially all of it because of KOA. But that means that WHDH would have had no protected nighttime-skywave coverage--a requirement for a station to be designated a Class I. In addition, there were large areas of the Connecticut River Valley in NH and VT where WHDH and co-channel WXKW duked it out during the daytime. What that means is that WHDH did not have interference-free groundwave coverage much beyond its 0.5 mV/m contour. By day, Class I's were supposed to be free of co-channel interference within their 0.1 mV/m contours. (First-adjacent daytime protection extended only to 0.5 mV/m however.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; ; "Garrett Wollman" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > --- "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > > It was no secret that, because of its lower > frequency, WLAW > had a natural advantage in coverage. Curiously, the > fact that WLAW was > licensed to Lawrence but wanted to serve Boston forced > on it a > transmitter location and a directional pattern that > were, for the most > part, superior to WHDH's. > -------------- > > Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a > site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That > way, it should have done better in metro west -- > which, now that it has a substantial population, is > the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM > station except WBZ. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 3 12:28:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:28:59 -0500 Subject: Maybe Scott can unravel this FCC move from long ago In-Reply-To: <47A5F371.8010303@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770802030829u64f0f2e9o4f96688102625000@mail.gmail.com> <18341.61228.835767.856444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47A5F371.8010303@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802030928vdf43489n1ab44508dc8a5189@mail.gmail.com> One fallout from this remains to this day and it concerns the popularity of the Chicagoland baseball teams. Unlike New York where the teams were on separate channels the Cubs and White Sox shared WGN until 1966. Then the Cubs decided to air road games which knocked the White Sox off channel 9. The White Sox were forced in 1967 to move to WFLD channel 32 which was a disaster. Channel 32 built their transmitter on top of Marina City and at first had a decent signal. However by 1967 a mile away to the northeast from Marina City rose the steelwork for the John Hancock Center. This caused the Channel 32 picture to be unwatchable to the southwest because of ghosting and that is where the White Sox fans lived. The White Sox continued on UHF moving to channel 44 but the Cubs took over the market being on channel 9. The White Sox compounded the problem by going to a pay service on UHF in 1982 which was a total flop and caused beloved White Sox announcer Harry Caray to move 8 miles north. The White Sox lost a generation of fans and even winning the World Series in 2005 still has not helped them regain market share. To make things worse the Tribune who owned Channel 9 bought the Cubs in 1981 for the sole reason to provide programming for WGN and channel 9. The newspaper does not cover the teams equally. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 3 12:43:05 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18341.63241.82052.70440@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <004c01c865d7$983a7100$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18341.63241.82052.70440@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802030943n337fb222l5379f1b7f69ec395@mail.gmail.com> I suspect the WBZ problems in Millis weighed heavily with the beancounters of the day. While land was cheaper further out nobody wanted to risk being more than 15 miles out even if it was technically feasible. Plus in those days the population shift to the west hadn't occurred. On 2/3/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a > > site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That > > way, it should have done better in metro west -- > > which, now that it has a substantial population, is > > the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM > > station except WBZ. > > Only to a point. Remember, WBZ's transmitter site in Millis was by > all indications a flop. > > -GAWollman > > From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Feb 3 16:34:42 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:34:42 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <47A5F632.2040705@fybush.com> References: <914560.75303.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A5F632.2040705@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20080203213451.C05F53E42C7@mail2.wildblue.net> Scott Fybush wrote: >Martin Waters wrote: > >> Couldn't WHDH have done better by building on a >>site farther west and/or southwest of the city? That >>way, it should have done better in metro west -- >>which, now that it has a substantial population, is >>the major weak spot for every old-line Boston AM >>station except WBZ. > >Under the old rules, stations were quite limited as to how far out >of town they could go before the signal over downtown became too >weak. This was less of an issue for WBZ, with its salt-water path >from Hull to downtown, than for WHDH, with relatively lousy ground >conductivity between Needham and downtown. Not to mention the fact that anything outside of what's now 128 was pretty much boonies back in the 40s. Why "waste" signal where there's little population? From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Feb 4 05:22:41 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 05:22:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <8342039.1202120561575.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Hakim Madjid" > To: kvahey@comcast.net, scott@fybush.com, "Boston Radio" > > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:20:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > I have observed Many of these night watchmen & parking attendant > types are watching one of those portable DVD players, not over > the air TV, these days. > > I even observe many of these folks have a radio tuned in, > curiously enough, to the overnight BBC broadcast on 'BUR. Maybe I should give them a "shout-out"... :^) EP From mamros@MIT.EDU Mon Feb 4 10:30:23 2008 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:30:23 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:35:04 EST." <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: <200802041530.m14FUNL2005728@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> There was at least one exception to the jockless format yesterday, though I suspect it's only a temporary one. George Knight's Sunday morning show ran at its usual time, with its usual format (closer to 'BOS's old playlist than their new one) yesterday morning. For the past few months, that show has had a single sponsor (Whole Foods) underwriting the entire program, so Greater Media might be opting to keep the contract going for a while longer, and getting the guaranteed revenue from that for a timeslot that would otherwise be pretty slow. Can't imagine such a contract would be renewed, though, so that show's probably done as soon as the contract's up (or until they go with some other, more permanent format for 92.9, whichever comes first). A shame, as that show's been part of my Sunday morning routine for many years now, but that's the way the ball bounces in the biz... WBOS also had a blues show Sunday evenings, but I don't know if that's still in place or not. (Obviously, my attention was elsewhere yesterday evening.) Guess we're back to the days of the Format of the Month Club for 92.9. Gotta admit, they had a pretty long run with the AAA format, much longer than a lot of folks thought possible. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 4 10:38:44 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:38:44 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS Message-ID: <20080204153844.55AE883BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> The word had gone out on Friday online (and in Saturday's Herald) that Knight's Sunday morning show would be the only one with a DJ. Everyone else is gone including Holly Harris' Sunday night blues show. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 5 11:39:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:39:14 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 Message-ID: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> The Globe has a lengthy article on the changes at WBOS. Some announcers will come back and only only full-time DJ John Laurenti and Holly Harris are gone at this point. Knight says all sports will not happen. The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. PPM is still a year away in Boston. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/02/05/wbos_is_changing_its_tune/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed1 From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 5 15:55:33 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:55:33 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate > that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. PPM is > still a year away in Boston. Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Feb 5 15:57:54 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:57:54 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c86839$d2bff840$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:39 AM > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 > The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters > indicate that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners > bail out. Jeez, if this kind of thinking prevails dose it mean that all the music stations eventually become personality-less juke boxes? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 5 16:03:32 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:03:32 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47A8CF24.4060706@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since > the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by > a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune > out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. > Yup. Pavlov would be proud. Unfortunately, some of the best talent out there has been slowly but surely, more and more, confined into a box. Woof. Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 15:51:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:51:40 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04c401c86839$0a9c5020$6501a8c0@default> I spotted these comments/responses by readers: WBOS-FM 92.9 has switched formats and eliminated its on-air personalities. Will you miss the DJs or would you rather have talk-free music? http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bc-general&tid=1444 From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 16:56:46 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 Message-ID: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have wondered for a long time where the next generation of on-air personalities (be it DJs or talk show hosts, or even programming people) are going to come from. The smaller stations are all on the bird, the larger stations are in love with voice tracking, programming is done by a computer and the audience runs from an open mike. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill O'Neill To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 4:03:32 PM Subject: Re: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 Garrett Wollman wrote: > Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since > the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by > a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune > out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. > Yup. Pavlov would be proud. Unfortunately, some of the best talent out there has been slowly but surely, more and more, confined into a box. Woof. Bill O'Neill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 5 17:32:05 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:32:05 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 Message-ID: <20080205223205.8135C16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Kevin Vahey" >Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 >Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:55:33 -0500 < said: > The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate > that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. PPM is > still a year away in Boston. >Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since >the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by >a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune >out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. >-GAWollman I'd hate to be a sales representative for a station whose manager said that as soon as a human speaking voice is heard, away goes the audience! If that goes for DJ's, how about COMMERCIALS! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 5 17:15:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:15:47 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802051415j4019528br3a4239dcf6bb5e7@mail.gmail.com> Good question Maureen Before satellites and computers radio had a minor league system like baseball. You might start in Calias then move to Bangor. Perhaps from there Portland and so on. Manchester used to feed Worcester and in some cases Boston. Worcester fed Providence and Hartford. Meanwhile Boston was a magnet for announcers from all over that went through similar feeding systems. Some in Boston made it to the Big 3 markets (NY, LA or Chicago) TV news still has this in place but very little exists in radio now. Maybe the future voices will come from internet radio. 20 years ago Portland was an excellent radio market for its size. Now it is a shell of what it was. On 2/5/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > I have wondered for a long time where the next generation of on-air > personalities (be it DJs or talk show hosts, or even programming people) are > going to come from. The smaller stations are all on the bird, the larger > stations are in love with voice tracking, programming is done by a computer > and the audience runs from an open mike. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill O'Neill > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 4:03:32 PM > Subject: Re: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 > > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since > > the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by > > a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune > > out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. > > > > Yup. Pavlov would be proud. Unfortunately, some of the best talent out > there has been slowly but surely, more and more, confined into a box. Woof. > > Bill O'Neill > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 5 20:43:50 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:43:50 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A910D6.90302@ttlc.net> Maureen Carney wrote: > I have wondered for a long time where the next generation of on-air personalities (be it DJs or talk show hosts, or even programming people) are going to come from. The smaller stations are all on the bird, the larger stations are in love with voice tracking, programming is done by a computer and the audience runs from an open mike. Much of music radio is becoming perceived as a simple commodity. Find the one with the most music and the least talk. Have no loyalty. From my limited observations, it would appear that Hispanic Radio does not yet suffer from this problem. From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Feb 5 21:46:32 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:46:32 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman < said: > The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate > that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. Gosh, I wish somebody would tell that to Ken Smith and his jocks on XM Channel 5.... Bud Hippisley From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Feb 5 22:02:53 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:02:53 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802051415j4019528br3a4239dcf6bb5e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770802051415j4019528br3a4239dcf6bb5e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01c101c8686c$c524f770$4f6ee650$@net> -----Original Message----- From: kvahey@comcast.net >Before satellites and computers, radio had a minor league system like Baseball. Ah, yes. I remember -- while a senior in high school in my home town of Auburn, NY (population 30,000) -- applying for a job at WMBO (1 KW Da, 250 Nite). He suggested I should go get some experience at a "smaller" station, then come back and try again.... Bud Hippisley From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 01:20:22 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:20:22 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 References: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770802051415j4019528br3a4239dcf6bb5e7@mail.gmail.com> <01c101c8686c$c524f770$4f6ee650$@net> Message-ID: <00ff01c86888$635e6230$6501a8c0@default> > Ah, yes. I remember -- while a senior in high school in my home town of > Auburn, NY (population 30,000) -- applying for a job at WMBO (1 KW Da, 250 > Nite). He suggested I should go get some experience at a "smaller" > station... I think we all went thru this didn't we? After the 3rd station told me to go to a "smaller" station...I responded, "Isn't THIS a small station?" The PD said..."Oh no, THIS is a MEDIUM market station....". I came to the conclusion that there are a LOT more medium market stations than I thought! From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 6 06:54:30 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:54:30 -0500 Subject: WCAP transition (was: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9) In-Reply-To: <47A910D6.90302@ttlc.net> References: <983882.4044.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A910D6.90302@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47A99FF6.5070904@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Find the one with the most music and the least talk. Have no loyalty. > > From my limited observations, it would appear that Hispanic Radio does > not yet suffer from this problem. Neither does Talk. I have to admit that I am a bit biased when it comes to WCAP, but what is becoming a bit of a 'hybrid' or full-service local station seems to have good calculus behind it. With a jockless niche music format during selected dayparts, there is some branding going on that can be played around with on the schedule. With local news/talk that is more of a broad-spectrum (versus straight politics) there is wider appeal in the car. (Now that WCAP is streaming audio), I am noticing some flexibility with displacing bird-fed talk with local, as needed. I have heard of the death of full-service, local, AM, etc. on this list for over 10 years (yikes) but for some reason I've never hopped in the sack on that one. It may still be 'too soon to tell' to borrow a phrase from politics, but with the manner in which some signals are being slowly morphed to MP3 players, someone out there will need to pick up the slack - the demand by listeners for an aural option that relates to the town square. Bill O'Neill From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Feb 6 08:48:45 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:48:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 In-Reply-To: <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> Message-ID: <36167.63.118.166.2.1202305725.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Bud Hippisley wrote... > -----Original Message-----> >> The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate >> that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. > > > Gosh, I wish somebody would tell that to Ken Smith and his jocks on XM > Channel 5.... > > Care to elaborate? What is XM channel 5? From cohasset@frontiernet.net Wed Feb 6 10:18:08 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:18:08 -0500 Subject: XM Radio In-Reply-To: <36167.63.118.166.2.1202305725.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> <36167.63.118.166.2.1202305725.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002201c868d3$7b59ccd0$720d6670$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ordinetz Bud Hippisley wrote... > -----Original Message-----> >> The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate >> that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. > > > Gosh, I wish somebody would tell that to Ken Smith and his jocks on XM > Channel 5.... > > Care to elaborate? What is XM channel 5? *************** XM Radio Channel 5 is nominally "50s music", channel 6 is "60s", etc. They've always promoted the fact that their music channels are commercial-free, which is true. However, they're not blather-free (nor do they play only 50s music). There are some really good hour-long programs on Channel 5 ("Rockabilly Road Trip" and "Pink & Black Days", to name two) that exist only because of passion and quality on their outstanding DJs, but Channel 5 also has a few wanna-be "Wolfman Jack" types plus P.D. Ken Smith that spend too much "open mic" air time chatting with old cronies who call in. I spend $$ to get XM Radio so I can hear the "music of my life" in reasonably high fidelity, not to listen to a bunch of reprobates over a 1 or 2 kHz wide "tin can" phone line. Then there's XM Channel 6 -- I'm lukewarm on much of their 60s playlist but I really enjoy their re-runs of the old Chicken Man ("He's everywhere, he's everywhere!!!") series at 8:45 a.m. and a few other times during the day! Living in the middle of nowhere, XM Radio and the North Country Public Radio individual repeaters in the various neighboring hamlets around here are my only media contacts with civilization in the "lower 48"; as you can see, my pleasures are simple ones.... Bud Hippisley From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 6 09:39:59 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:39:59 -0700 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 Message-ID: Music of the 1950s. >>> "Steve Ordinetz" 2/6/2008 8:48 AM >>> Bud Hippisley wrote... > -----Original Message-----> >> The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters indicate >> that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners bail out. > > > Gosh, I wish somebody would tell that to Ken Smith and his jocks on XM > Channel 5.... > > Care to elaborate? What is XM channel 5? From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 6 10:25:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:25:47 -0500 Subject: XM Radio In-Reply-To: <002201c868d3$7b59ccd0$720d6670$@net> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> <36167.63.118.166.2.1202305725.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> <002201c868d3$7b59ccd0$720d6670$@net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802060725t3c9aea06w70e0517fc450d474@mail.gmail.com> There maybe more talk on XM channels simply because they are not ratings driven. If you switch channels you are most likely staying with the service. I have a friend who works at the main DC studios of XM and he claims that the most listened to channel on XM is 175 which is the 24 hour baseball channel. Former WEEI newsfalsh and fill in talkshow host Jeff Joyce works there now. The baseball package that XM signed with MLB brought in as many subscribers as Stern did with Sirus. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 10:50:24 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:50:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: XM Radio Message-ID: <895057.8780.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have to agree with that statement. I'm in the process of getting a new car and the models I'm looking at all have Sirius as the option. I want XM for MLB coverage. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Cohasset / Hippisley Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 10:25:47 AM Subject: Re: XM Radio There maybe more talk on XM channels simply because they are not ratings driven. If you switch channels you are most likely staying with the service. I have a friend who works at the main DC studios of XM and he claims that the most listened to channel on XM is 175 which is the 24 hour baseball channel. Former WEEI newsfalsh and fill in talkshow host Jeff Joyce works there now. The baseball package that XM signed with MLB brought in as many subscribers as Stern did with Sirus. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 6 10:40:12 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:40:12 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c86839$d2bff840$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <002701c868d6$9092f7e0$b2844c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Weil To: 'Kevin Vahey' ; '(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest' Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: RE: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > > On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:39 AM > > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > > > Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 > > The reason for the change? Arbitron's Portable People Meters > > indicate that as soon as a jock starts talking, listeners > > bail out. > > Jeez, if this kind of thinking prevails dose it mean that all the music > stations eventually become personality-less juke boxes? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > Looks like the only way radio sees to stem the MP3 tide, at least among its higher-income, young, suburban listeners -- the only ones Madison Avenue really cares about -- is to try to become as MP3-player-like as possible. The problems with that thinking are (a) commercials and (b) songs the listener doesn't like, the two major reasons people buy MP3 players. I'm not sure that removing the DJs or further marginalizing their role will bring many former listeners who've become enthralled by "all songs I love, all the time" on the iPods back to FM, even with tighter playlists to eliminate anything any listener might possibly dislike or broader playlists to tempt the musically adventurous. But I don't see staying status quo or increasing the DJs' airtime bringing those listeners back, or even retaining the current ones, so there's really no reason not to give more iPod-like radio a try, especially since the investors like the fact that such radio can be run on a shoestring. As Knight said, the jock talking at length means only one thing: commercials ahead. Howard From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Feb 6 10:38:35 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:38:35 -0500 Subject: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47A8CF24.4060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <044801c868d6$56f5d2a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> How many stations have the slogan, "More music, less talk"? Makes me wonder how broadcasting/communications schools think they're going to survive, in the long run. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Buzz Knight talks about changes at 92.9 > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Clearly, Modern American Radio has trained its listeners well. Since > > the only mike sets at most music stations are followed immediately by > > a stop set, it's only natural that listeners should automatically tune > > out as soon as the "talent" starts talking. > > > > Yup. Pavlov would be proud. Unfortunately, some of the best talent out > there has been slowly but surely, more and more, confined into a box. Woof. > > Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 13:38:32 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:38:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: XM Radio Message-ID: <680362.8465.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The home announcers only doesn't bother me - the Extra Innings package usually runs the same way. I want to get in out of town teams that are now either on inferior signals, FM or being blocked out by IBOC - Mets, Pirates, Phillies, Yankees, Indians. Once there was a time I could get each one of them on a 50K (usually clear channel) AM signal. ----- Original Message ---- From: Aaron Read To: m_carney@yahoo.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 12:50:53 PM Subject: XM Radio Maureen, one thing about getting XM for MLB Baseball coverage: they use the announcers from the home team of whatever field they're at. So you hear Red Sox announcers when the game is at Fenway, but Blue Jays announcers when the game is at Toronto or Yankees announcers when the game's at New York. That was the deciding factor for me to pass on XM and live with mediocre skywave from WTIC 1080AM here in the Finger Lakes. It ain't great, but it beats paying $13/mo to hear announcers that I loathe for half the season. I did write to XM about it and was pleasantly surprised to get a response. The bottom line was they couldn't afford to devote enough channels to have the team's announcers on for every game, and couldn't do it for some teams and not others without getting slapped with bad publicity. I don't begrudge them that, but it doesn't change my decision to not buy the service. If you have an internet-enabled cellphone, you might be able to pay for internet access to the games and listen to them that way...but of course it'll mean dropouts as you move around and signal levels change. -- --------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Fried Bagels Consulting friedbagels@gmail.com | (315) 521-0569 cell Rochester, NY 14618 | WEOS 89.7FM Geneva, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 6 13:54:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:54:01 -0500 Subject: XM Radio In-Reply-To: <680362.8465.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <680362.8465.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802061054v2784530cy580fc336353cae66@mail.gmail.com> Of course last year it was a plus not to get Geffner on road games. My friend says they are looking at doing every team separate for 2008 by using college channels from April on and NHL in September. They are very aware that Boston fans who make up about 15% of subscribers don't want Sterling and Suzyn when they play in NY. He also told me XM is in quiet talks with WEEI to have a channel like WLW. They also talking to WIP, WFAN, KNBR and WSCR. Logical move. From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Feb 6 12:50:53 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:50:53 -0500 Subject: XM Radio Message-ID: <47A9F37D.8070206@gmail.com> Maureen, one thing about getting XM for MLB Baseball coverage: they use the announcers from the home team of whatever field they're at. So you hear Red Sox announcers when the game is at Fenway, but Blue Jays announcers when the game is at Toronto or Yankees announcers when the game's at New York. That was the deciding factor for me to pass on XM and live with mediocre skywave from WTIC 1080AM here in the Finger Lakes. It ain't great, but it beats paying $13/mo to hear announcers that I loathe for half the season. I did write to XM about it and was pleasantly surprised to get a response. The bottom line was they couldn't afford to devote enough channels to have the team's announcers on for every game, and couldn't do it for some teams and not others without getting slapped with bad publicity. I don't begrudge them that, but it doesn't change my decision to not buy the service. If you have an internet-enabled cellphone, you might be able to pay for internet access to the games and listen to them that way...but of course it'll mean dropouts as you move around and signal levels change. -- --------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Fried Bagels Consulting friedbagels@gmail.com | (315) 521-0569 cell Rochester, NY 14618 | WEOS 89.7FM Geneva, NY From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 6 14:58:59 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:58:59 -0500 Subject: XM Radio In-Reply-To: <002201c868d3$7b59ccd0$720d6670$@net> References: <4fc429770802050839t18782e20y27738edc4ec15499@mail.gmail.com> <18344.52549.983871.518526@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <01b101c8686a$7c2cec00$7486c400$@net> <36167.63.118.166.2.1202305725.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> <002201c868d3$7b59ccd0$720d6670$@net> Message-ID: <47AA1183.6080407@gmail.com> Bud Hippisley wrote... > XM Radio Channel 5 is nominally "50s music", channel 6 is "60s", etc. > They've always promoted the fact that their music channels are > commercial-free, which is true. However, they're not blather-free (nor do > they play only 50s music). There are some really good hour-long programs on > Channel 5 Sirius 5-6-7 (50s/70s/70s) also have (tracked) jocks that do tend to stay pretty much out of the way, IMO. Barry (Greg Brady) Williams is the PM drive jock on 70s - He's got that medium market sound down 'real well. Shadoe Stevens is the 'voice' of the 70s channel -- great job. Now that I've had Sirius for about 8 months, could I go on without it? Yes, but terrestrial signals here in Vermont/NY are not giving me much reason to let my contract lapse this May. Bill O'Neill From ncn86@hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 20:17:56 2008 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:17:56 -0500 Subject: Sirius and XM Message-ID: Having Sirius myself in my car, I mostly use it for the music side, occasionally flipping to it when one of my fm's is in commercial. Being in southern NH, there is a huge variety of stations to choose from, so I leave it in the car for trips and such. The signal isn't that great anyway, and the sound is mediocre. Being a DX'er, at the house I have a roof antenna with rotator and a boston acoustics HD radio, and the amount of stations I can receive far beats any satellite network. The sound is far better, and when its in HD its like listening to a cd. Bringing in Portland, Boston, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Rutland, North Conway, and everything in between gives me pretty much any genre at any time. Especially with multicasting. And when there's good trop, and the even better e-skip, its a listeners paradise! Sports and talk are covered on AM, turning two wires that run from the radio, up the wall, and across the length of the roof into lots of AM stations in HD! CT, NYC, Philli, Baltimore, and NC are a few states that have AM stations that come in almost consistently at night. The HD signal can be tough on the AM side sometimes, but it doesn't impede on the listening pleasure one bit! Now back to my point: if you have the right equipment, and really want to get all you can without paying a constant monthly fee, the way to go is still terrestrial radio. Untill they make the satellite signal stronger (so it doesn't fade when you pass under things that seem to not exist), and better sounding, I feel its not a strong contender to regular radio. If I'm being naive, please put me in my place. Now as soon as I can get an HD receiver for my car, Sirius goes out the window.... -Nick N _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 10:23:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:23:59 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? Message-ID: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> The NY Daily News has a story today announcing the launch of a new New York top 40 station come Monday on 87.7 WNYZ http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/02/07/2008-02-07_new_pulse_at_wnyz_promises_steady_beat-1.html From HeritageRadio@msn.com Thu Feb 7 01:53:29 2008 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 01:53:29 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker Message-ID: For those who have not heard, longtime WBZ veteran, Dick Tucker, passed away last week at age 87 in a N.H. nursing home. It is said that the GLOBE will be printing details shortly. Dick was one of the nicest people in the old radio business. Tom Heathwood 2/7 From ncn86@hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 09:32:37 2008 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:32:37 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever Message-ID: I just got word from a friend on long island this morning that the wonderful CD101.9 WQCD in NYC has been changed to some morphed out rocker WRXP!? Playing classic rock, alternative, New Music and Local Rock. Right, NYC needs another rock station. CD 101.9 was one of my favorites in Manhatten, and look what they turn it into. Can anyone shed some light as to why this was done? -very unhappy Nick N _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 7 11:16:59 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:16:59 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < The NY Daily News has a story today announcing the launch of a new New > York top 40 station come Monday on 87.7 WNYZ You obviously haven't been paying attention to NERW. It turns out that FCC rules allow TV stations to operate audio and video transmitters independently. The station in this case is WNYZ-LP. Of course, they won't (legally, at least) be in stereo. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 11:39:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:39:29 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> I did miss reading it this week as I was stuck in Arizona. I still can't see how they can claim to be heard in 80% of the market. I know for years CBC has advertised in the Montreal Gazette telling listeners they could listen to the Stanley Cup playoffs on 87.7 (audio of CBMT ) It appears in this case the station does not transmit any video at all. Their transmitter is located on top of the Citicorp Building in Queens on the East River. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Feb 7 12:05:44 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:05:44 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c869ab$add412a0$6400a8c0@lysthia> Their website cites declining listenership for the format. They do trumpet that they are still carrying the format on their HD2 channel though I expect it will be the same type of voice tracked "smooth jazz lite" that Magic 106.7-HD2 plays. CD101.9 tried an ill-fated format tweak a couple of years ago where they loaded down the format with AC vocals and a lot of "soul" wannabees. The listeners revolted and they untweaked it. As a side note, on the Magic HD-2 channel, it appears that the voice tracks are permanently tacked to their respective songs. Although the rotation of the songs change, I can always count on Ed Cherubino to into "9 Million Bicycles in Bejing". I listed to it for about two months and the playlist, aside from the addition of some Christmas music, really didn't evolve much. ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita President brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 tel2:(800)231-8849 fax: 978-538-7550 IM: btvita@hotmail.com www.cssinc.com AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ > I just got word from a friend on long island this morning > that the wonderful CD101.9 WQCD in NYC has been changed to > some morphed out rocker WRXP!? Playing classic rock, > alternative, New Music and Local Rock. Right, NYC needs > another rock station. CD 101.9 was one of my favorites in > Manhatten, and look what they turn it into. > Can anyone shed some light as to why this was done? > > -very unhappy Nick N > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM From pete@partnercomm.com Thu Feb 7 11:37:57 2008 From: pete@partnercomm.com (=?utf-8?B?UGV0ZXIgTXVycmF5?=) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:37:57 +0000 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com><18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Nor on frequency, since they'll really be on 87.75 MHz... -Peter Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:16:59 To:kvahey@comcast.net Cc:"\(not a newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest" Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? < The NY Daily News has a story today announcing the launch of a new New > York top 40 station come Monday on 87.7 WNYZ You obviously haven't been paying attention to NERW. It turns out that FCC rules allow TV stations to operate audio and video transmitters independently. The station in this case is WNYZ-LP. Of course, they won't (legally, at least) be in stereo. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 7 12:19:44 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:19:44 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Nor on frequency, since they'll really be on 87.75 MHz... Actually, they just applied to move from positive to negative offset, so that puts the audio carrier at 87.65 if I'm not mistaken. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 7 12:22:41 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:22:41 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Nor on frequency, since they'll really be on 87.75 MHz... > > Actually, they just applied to move from positive to negative offset, > so that puts the audio carrier at 87.65 if I'm not mistaken. Offset is only 10 kHz, not 100, so it puts it at 87.74 instead of 87.76... s From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Feb 7 12:37:14 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:37:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever Message-ID: <82017.1202405834548.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Nickolas Noseworthy" > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:32:37 -0500 > Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever > > I just got word from a friend on long island this morning > that the wonderful CD101.9 WQCD in NYC has been changed to > some morphed out rocker WRXP!? > Playing classic rock, alternative, New Music and Local Rock. > Right, NYC needs another rock station. CD 101.9 was one of my > favorites in Manhatten, and look what they turn it into. > Can anyone shed some light as to why this was done? Probably the usual reason for most format flips. Ratings for WQCD in the New York market were mediocre and declining, (2.7 12+ in the fall 2007 book down from a 3.3 in the summer), so they probably believe that this new format will bring better ratings and revenue. Whether that becomes true or not remains to be seen. The new format as WRXP is a rock-heavy version of "AAA" (Adult Album Alternative). Unlike Boston, which until very recently had two commercial "AAA" stations in the market (WBOS, and the remaining one WXRV "The River"), NYC had no commercial "AAA" station. That format was filled by non-comm WFUV, which is a rootsy, folkie "AAA" somewhat like WUMB here. So, there may be a niche for harder rock-based "AAA" in NYC. Only time will tell. EP From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Feb 7 12:48:07 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:48:07 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Several reasons. The station has been in decline in both ratings and revenue for quite some time. I don't think the station was even in the top ten in the 25-54 demo. That's the kiss of death in an agency- driven ad market like New York. Many smooth jazz stations around the country have relied on Urban AC crossovers in recent years to stay viable. Emmis already has an Urban AC in the market with WRKS, so many of their listeners will wind up there. If anything, WQCD may have drawn potential listeners away from WRKS, so this move gets it out of Kiss' way. Smooth Jazz was always a niche format in New York and struggled for ratings even at it's peak of popularity. Now that the format is in decline nationally, it makes sense that CD101.9 would abandon the format so quickly. Actually, there is a rock hole to be filled in New York. Unlike Boston that has various strains of rock on the radio (WBCN, WAAF, WBOS, WXRV, WROR, WZLX, WFNX) , New York really doesn't. It has K- rock which is more alternative and Q104.3 playing classic rock. That's it. WRXP is looking to be that format in between the two, targeting an adult audience without being too aggressive or too old. Which leads to the final reason for the switch. The meter. Arbitron wants to roll out the Personal People Meter in the market later this year to replace diaries. In the test markets of Philadelphia and Houston, rock stations have done extremely well with the meter. Philadelphia has seen two stations flip to rock based formats in less than a year because of this. Oldies/Classic hits stations also do well with PPM, which is why WCBS-FM dumped Jack and returned to an updated version of their oldies format not too long ago. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote: > I just got word from a friend on long island this morning that the > wonderful CD101.9 WQCD in NYC has been changed to some morphed out > rocker WRXP!? Playing classic rock, alternative, New Music and > Local Rock. Right, NYC needs another rock station. CD 101.9 was one > of my favorites in Manhatten, and look what they turn it into. > Can anyone shed some light as to why this was done? > > -very unhappy Nick N > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 13:28:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:28:01 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770802071028k5911c8bbge95b7cd9808a624c@mail.gmail.com> Dick was the long time evening booth announcer at Channel 4 back in the days. He and the late Art Amadon shared the booth full time. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 14:25:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:25:09 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802071125i30f52f9dk7c1ed7f07393037c@mail.gmail.com> Scott Has the FCC given any clue on what will eventually happen to LPTV stations in the future. I know they are exempt from the analog shutdown for now but for how long past 2009? I would think a low powered VHF on Channel 6 adjacent to midtown Manhattan could cause a problem down the line. From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 7 14:47:14 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:47:14 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802071125i30f52f9dk7c1ed7f07393037c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> <4fc429770802071125i30f52f9dk7c1ed7f07393037c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AB6042.7070800@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott > > Has the FCC given any clue on what will eventually happen to LPTV > stations in the future. I know they are exempt from the analog > shutdown for now but for how long past 2009? > > I would think a low powered VHF on Channel 6 adjacent to midtown > Manhattan could cause a problem down the line. > The FCC has indeed exempted LPTVs from the 2009 deadline, but not forever. Best guess right now is that it might be 2011 or 2012. Their hand will be forced, eventually, once TV set manufacturers stop bothering to put analog tuners in new sets, which will probably happen around 2012 when analog cable starts to go away. So WNYZ-LP in its current form isn't permanent, and I have to believe they know that. The "Pulse" programmers don't own the station - they're only leasing it from the actual licensee - so if they have a hit on their hands at 87.7, they could certainly move it elsewhere on the dial to a "real" radio station down the road if need be. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 7 15:10:12 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:10:12 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> David Tomm wrote: > Which leads to the final reason for the switch. The meter. Arbitron > wants to roll out the Personal People Meter in the market later this > year to replace diaries. In the test markets of Philadelphia and > Houston, rock stations have done extremely well with the meter. > Philadelphia has seen two stations flip to rock based formats in less > than a year because of this. Oldies/Classic hits stations also do > well with PPM, which is why WCBS-FM dumped Jack and returned to an > updated version of their oldies format not too long ago. Is this the equivalent of "teaching to the test?" If a format "does well on the meter" what does this imply? * The measurement method (PPM) is biased/flawed? * The measurement method (PPM) is more accurate than the diary, but broadcasters won't admit it? * Stations will program to the meter, not people? From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 7 16:09:29 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:09:29 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> References: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18347.29577.468887.115152@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If a format "does well on the meter" what does this imply? > * The measurement method (PPM) is biased/flawed? > * The measurement method (PPM) is more accurate than the diary, but > broadcasters won't admit it? You left out the most likely choice: * The PPM and the diary actually measure two different quantities, and nobody really knows which one better reflects receptiveness to advertising. The classic diary method measures *recall*, which one would expect to correlate reasonably well with how much attention the listener was paying (but often listeners confuse stations in their own mind, which limits the accuracy of this method). The PPM measures *exposure*; Arbitron has already published some interesting results from Philadelphia and Houston showing how much of an audience in-store "radio" services get, which the diary method doesn't capture at all. The PPM is theoretically 100% accurate (so long as stations are properly encoding their signals), and at a much smaller granularity than the diary, but it's not clear that exposure is a better predictor of advertising desirability. If my dentist has WCRB on while she's cleaning my teeth, how likely am I to take note of a commercial message and remember to act upon it later? The real problem for stations (and the reason many of them have not been too keen on the PPM) is that it is likely to show that listeners tune away from advertising. In the long term, this is likely to turn existing programming strategies (based on the quarter-hour intervals of Arbitron diaries) upside-down, but in the short term it may result in significantly less revenue as advertisers realize that they are not reaching nearly as many listeners as they thought they were paying for. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 7 16:10:42 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:10:42 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It appears in this case the station does not transmit any video at all. One interpretation of the rules suggests that they are not required to do so. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 7 16:24:38 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:24:38 -0700 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? Message-ID: >>It appears in this case the station does not transmit any video at all.<< I've been told by people who live in its coverage area that they do transmit video. However, since the rules don't specify that video and audio must be in sync, or even relate to each other at all, they can transmit any video they want, even if it's just a static picture. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 7 16:37:45 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:37:45 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18347.31273.557247.348124@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've been told by people who live in its coverage area that they do > transmit video. However, since the rules don't specify that video and > audio must be in sync, or even relate to each other at all, they can > transmit any video they want, even if it's just a static picture. The rules don't even specify that video and audio must be transmitted at the same time. I haven't looked, however, to see if the rule (73.653) actually applies to LPTVs (which are a part 74 service). It probably does. Here's what it actually says, to save people the effort of looking it up: The aural and visual transmitters may be operated independently of each other or, if operated simultaneously, may be used with different and unrelated program material. (47 CFR 73.653, revised as of October 1, 2007) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 17:21:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:21:37 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <18347.31273.557247.348124@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18347.31273.557247.348124@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802071421x48872980gb59961b7ff961620@mail.gmail.com> I can't see how a LP transmitter located less than 2 air miles from the Empire State could have much of a viewable picture on channel 6 with WNYW so close by. I talked to one friend who is non cable on Roosevelt Island and he has never seen anything on 6. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 7 20:32:37 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:32:37 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802071028k5911c8bbge95b7cd9808a624c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802071028k5911c8bbge95b7cd9808a624c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ABB135.7040602@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > He and the late Art Amadon shared the booth full time. > Is Art Amadon any relation to Ron Amadon of MarketWatch.com on WBZ? From songbook2@comcast.net Thu Feb 7 22:56:49 2008 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:56:49 -0800 Subject: Dick Tucker Message-ID: <47ABD301.7090709@comcast.net> Dick was also a WBZ-TV host and a deejay at WBZ, WHET (the old 1330AM Boston with the big band/adult standards format in the1975-78 time period) and on WBZA. He was the last deejay/announcer to air a program on WBZA from The Hotel Kimball in Springfield before it went dark (when Westinghouse bought WINS NYC, they had to get rid of one property). He also voice tracked a classical music show channel on BostonPete.com back from his retirement, just a couple of years ago. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net (a friend of Dick Tucker) PS// Has his obit appeared in The Globe as yet? From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 7 23:35:11 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:35:11 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: <47ABB135.7040602@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770802071028k5911c8bbge95b7cd9808a624c@mail.gmail.com> <47ABB135.7040602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20080208043516.3F9721B405F@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >>Roger wrote-- >Is Art Amadon any relation to Ron Amadon of MarketWatch.com on WBZ? I think I asked about that a while ago and was told "no". Btw, I have a scanned Art Amadon photo if anyone wants one. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 7 23:39:16 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:39:16 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: <47ABD301.7090709@comcast.net> References: <47ABD301.7090709@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080208043921.1AD5E1B4104@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 10:56 PM 2/7/2008, Russ Butler wrote: >Dick was also a WBZ-TV host and a deejay at WBZ, WHET (the old >1330AM Boston with the big band/adult standards format in the1975-78 >time period) and on WBZA. He was the last deejay/announcer to air a >program on WBZA from The Hotel Kimball in Springfield before it went >dark (when Westinghouse bought WINS NYC, they had to get rid of one >property). He also voice tracked a classical music show channel on >BostonPete.com back from his retirement, just a couple of years ago. I am one of many who has the New England TV Guide from 1952 with the cover story about his "Tucker Time" on WBZ-TV. The obit hasn't been written yet, as far as I know-- the newspapers are getting the info from his immediate family. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 8 02:00:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:00:00 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ABB7A0.27592.D58D01@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Feb 2008 at 1:53, thomas heathwood wrote: > For those who have not heard, longtime WBZ veteran, Dick Tucker, > passed away last week at age 87 in a N.H. nursing home. It is said > that the GLOBE will be printing details shortly. Dick was one of the > nicest people in the old radio business. Tom Heathwood 2/7 That's too bad. I was once on the air with him. Back in 1953 (Columbus Day, I think), my father took me to the WBZ studios on Soldiers Field Road, where there was a live radio show with a studio audience going on, hosted by Dick Tucker. I also remember seeing Lindey Miller, whom I recognized from a local show on Channel 4. And there was a female vocalist named "Marilyn." At some point, while Marilyn was in the audience, with a portable microphone, she saw me and must have decided "there's a cute kid" and began singing right at me. I was 8 years old at the time. So when she finished, Dick Tucker told her to "get that kid's name." So she put the microphone in front of me, and I told my name. Dick Tucker asked who that was next to me, a friend? I answered, "My father." He said, "Well, your father is a friend, isn't he?" I agreed. So that was my first time on the radio. But wait, there's more! Several years ago, I told that story in this forum, and I got an e-mail from Dick Tucker himself. One of the lousy things about getting older is seeing all those important people of an earlier time pass on. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 8 09:49:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:49:42 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: <20080208043921.1AD5E1B4104@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <47ABD301.7090709@comcast.net> <20080208043921.1AD5E1B4104@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47AC6C06.7020000@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > I am one of many who has the New England TV Guide from 1952 with the > cover story about his "Tucker Time" on WBZ-TV. ...which may have been inspired by band leader, Tommy Tucker ("It's Tommy Tucker time...") File under: The things about swing that I learned while teching Chuck Cecil (something good comes from everything.) Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 8 12:26:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:26:37 -0500 Subject: Dick Tucker In-Reply-To: <47ABB7A0.27592.D58D01@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47ABB7A0.27592.D58D01@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802080926w4c8a3025t26aea0ce8e391408@mail.gmail.com> Lindey was the third 'booth announcer' that Channel 4 used. Dick Tucker seemed to be the 'official' voice of Channel 4 as they used him for recorded announcements. On 2/8/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: I also remember seeing > Lindey Miller From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Feb 8 21:02:55 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com><18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> <18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19C32449E33148119B184CC61E67B607@DanBillingsPC> Will WCSH -- Channel 6 in Portland -- be gone from 87.7 FM when the station shuts down its analog signal? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 8 21:11:13 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:11:13 -0500 Subject: UNS: Re: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <19C32449E33148119B184CC61E67B607@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> <18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19C32449E33148119B184CC61E67B607@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <18349.3009.349678.506088@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Will WCSH -- Channel 6 in Portland -- be gone from 87.7 FM when the station > shuts down its analog signal? Indubitably. -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 8 21:20:23 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:20:23 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com><18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com> <18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19C32449E33148119B184CC61E67B607@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <063901c86ac2$543d1cb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Good question. Not to mention all the other Channel 6's out there. This rather serendipitous presence on the FM band is something they all share in common, is it not? Comes in handy when you're driving during rush hour and need a detailed weather forecast or news report and can't find one otherwise. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? > Will WCSH -- Channel 6 in Portland -- be gone from 87.7 FM when the station > shuts down its analog signal? > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Feb 8 22:35:26 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:35:26 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com><18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770802070839o65caeb6ew493a53479cd78b98@mail.gmail.com><18347.29650.33658.289984@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><19C32449E33148119B184CC61E67B607@DanBillingsPC> <063901c86ac2$543d1cb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <002301c86acc$cf82fd40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> There has always been a push from the LPFM'ers to move the broadcast band down for additional channel availability. Channel 6 TV has always been the FCC's excuse not to. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Garrett Wollman" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? > Good question. Not to mention all the other Channel 6's out there. This > rather serendipitous presence on the FM band is something they all share in > common, is it not? Comes in handy when you're driving during rush hour and > need a detailed weather forecast or news report and can't find one > otherwise. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Billings" > To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Kevin Vahey" > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? > > > > Will WCSH -- Channel 6 in Portland -- be gone from 87.7 FM when the > station > > shuts down its analog signal? > > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Feb 9 09:30:55 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:30:55 -0500 Subject: Finneran abandons lobbying attempt Message-ID: <20080209143055.57C2383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> WRKO host Tom Finneran was hoping to do some lobbying on the side and had signed up two potential clients, but there was concern that the former House Speaker had a conflict of interest with such a situation. Now WRKO has pressured him to abandon the effort. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/09/finneran_reportedly_forgoes_lobbying/ Apparently Finneran had agreed to consult the station before starting any such effort so it came as a surprise to them when they heard about his new venture; now, instead of having the former Speaker consult with them before signing up any clients, WRKO has squashed the idea of him doing any lobbying at all. It would indeed compromise his integrity to have clients of that nature while doing a radio show that focuses on local politics. Last year, just before his debut, Finneran appeared on Howie Carr's show to promote it. Carr asked Finneran to swear on a Bible that he wouldn't do any lobbying but Finneran refused to do so. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 9 10:48:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:48:15 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <47AB6042.7070800@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> <4fc429770802071125i30f52f9dk7c1ed7f07393037c@mail.gmail.com> <47AB6042.7070800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802090748k195a8148td94fbc08ccffc688@mail.gmail.com> Is it foreseeable for the FCC to mandate that WNYZ move from channel 6 to somwhere on the UHF band? Or can WNYZ happily coexist with whatever new uses for the spectrum are planned for in Manhattan? I still can't fathom how WNYZ was approved being less than 2 miles from adjacent WNYW. I am reminded of the problems channel 6 in New Bedford had with channel 5. What am I overlooking? From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 9 16:26:33 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:26:33 -0500 Subject: Say what? WNYZ 87.7? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802090748k195a8148td94fbc08ccffc688@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802070723j5ab2872fla7f74532f65cd198@mail.gmail.com> <18347.12027.604021.446639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <888413203-1202402311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-977321011-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <18347.15792.573250.535391@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47AB3E61.7050709@fybush.com> <4fc429770802071125i30f52f9dk7c1ed7f07393037c@mail.gmail.com> <47AB6042.7070800@fybush.com> <4fc429770802090748k195a8148td94fbc08ccffc688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18350.6793.835096.215498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Is it foreseeable for the FCC to mandate that WNYZ move from channel 6 > to somwhere on the UHF band? No. Eventually they will be forced to switch to digital. The only things that would "bump" them from channel 6 would be (a) they build their digital facility on a different channel, or (b) someone gets a license for a full-power (digital) facility on channel 6 (not likely). > Or can WNYZ happily coexist with whatever new uses for the spectrum > are planned for in Manhattan? I'm not aware of any new uses planned for the channel 6 spectrum anywhere. Who wants it, besides a (very) few television stations? > I still can't fathom how WNYZ was approved being less than 2 miles > from adjacent WNYW. I am reminded of the problems channel 6 in New > Bedford had with channel 5. What am I overlooking? You are overlooking the fact that different rules apply to LPTV. In the Boston market there is (or was a few years ago) a channel 24 LPTV on FM-128, less than a mile from WFXT on the UHF Candelabra. This is not at all uncommon. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 11 12:20:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:20:08 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception Message-ID: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> A market research group in Los Angeles has done a study of digital signals and has found that almost 6 million homes will lose channels even by converting to a digital tuner. They are claiming that 50% of the people now using rabbit ears will get less service than they are getting now. They are saying the FCC is wrong is saying digital signals hold up for 60-75 miles and they claim their findings show digital signals degrade at about 35 miles. http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/02/11/6_million_may_lose_digital_tv_reception/ From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 11 13:40:11 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:40:11 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c86cdd$8a28c8c0$0df8a742@SatU205S5044> Did the report say anything about what percentage of people who use rabbit ears for analog TV will have to install an outdoor (normally roof-top) antenna? I've heard that nearly everybody who wants over-the-air DTV reception will need an outdoor antenna--and even with roof-top antennas, many of these people will find the reception unsatisfactory. They will be forced to switch to cable or satellite. I've never had cable and don't want it. I figure that my analog sets don't owe me anything and I'm willing to buy a new TV or two but the prospect of having to pay for cable every month really ticks me off. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception >A market research group in Los Angeles has done a study of digital >signals > and has found that almost 6 million homes will lose channels even by > converting to a digital tuner. > > They are claiming that 50% of the people now using rabbit ears will > get less > service than they are getting now. > > They are saying the FCC is wrong is saying digital signals hold up > for 60-75 > miles and they claim their findings show digital signals degrade at > about 35 > miles. > > http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/02/11/6_million_may_lose_digital_tv_reception/ From scott@fybush.com Mon Feb 11 14:41:32 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:41:32 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <001201c86cdd$8a28c8c0$0df8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <001201c86cdd$8a28c8c0$0df8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47B0A4EC.8060705@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Did the report say anything about what percentage of people who use > rabbit ears for analog TV will have to install an outdoor (normally > roof-top) antenna? I've heard that nearly everybody who wants > over-the-air DTV reception will need an outdoor antenna--and even with > roof-top antennas, many of these people will find the reception > unsatisfactory. They will be forced to switch to cable or satellite. > I've never had cable and don't want it. I figure that my analog sets > don't owe me anything and I'm willing to buy a new TV or two but the > prospect of having to pay for cable every month really ticks me off. The first generation or two of DTV tuners were quite numb, and it didn't help that few stations back then had maximized their signals. A lot can change in five or six years, and it has. By the middle of 2009 or thereabouts, most of the nation's TV stations will have dismantled their old analog antennas and repositioned their DTV antennas, which will make a big difference in received signals. (For instance, my local CBS and NBC affiliates share a tower originally built in 1949. Their analog signals, on channels 8 and 10, are combined into a channel 9 batwing antenna atop the tower; there wasn't much room for DTV antennas, so they were positioned wherever there was space lower down on the fat self-supporting tower, which was already thickly encrusted with FM antennas. That's not ideal positioning, and the antenna configuration will be changed after the analogs sign off, so that 10 - which stays on 10 - and 8's digital signal, on 45, are both on top of the tower. A lot of people who can't get those digital signals now will have a much better signal soon.) For Dan in Arlington, I can't imagine there'll be much trouble getting the DTV signals from the 128 tower farm with a decent indoor antenna and a tuner chip of recent vintage. s From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 11 14:24:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:24:49 -0500 Subject: Dale Arnold and John Rish replace Geffner on Sox games Message-ID: <4fc429770802111124y630dc20dme011cab17239c6c0@mail.gmail.com> Joe Castigleone will be back for all 162 games Dave O'Brien will do at least 135 games When Obie is doing games for ESPN Entercom will use either Dale Arnold or John Rish Win Win for all Sox fans http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/02/radio_team_anno.html From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 11 12:14:00 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:14:00 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: <18347.29577.468887.115152@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> <18347.29577.468887.115152@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802110914j5de805fcl5c1a6eb71b14c09e@mail.gmail.com> David Hinkley in the NY Daily News asked Emmis Broadcasting why they changed the format. Reason #1 The station only billed $14.8 million in 2006 third lowest of major NY FM signals Reason #2 Personal People Meters as Emmis claims 'smooth jazz' does not to well under PPM http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/02/11/2008-02-11_why_rock_replaced_wqcds_smooth_jazz.html The one station I can think of that thrives with 'smooth jazz' is WNUA in Chicago. From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Feb 12 01:54:14 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:54:14 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802110914j5de805fcl5c1a6eb71b14c09e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> <18347.29577.468887.115152@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802110914j5de805fcl5c1a6eb71b14c09e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A3CB35E-B77A-4F1F-8ECB-8C0BC2B18E23@charter.net> Along with WNUA, WVMV/Detroit, KIFM/San Diego, KTWV in LA, KKSF/San Francisco and WLVE/Miami continue to bill well and bring in desirable demos. However, these are all heritage smooth jazz stations with established audiences in markets that are condusive to the format. There are fewer and fewer of these stations around anymore. Philadelphia used to be solid SJ market, but not so much anymore. The latest incarnation of the format on 97.5 has struggled in the ratings with the Personal People Meter. Same goes for KHJZ in Houston, the other test PPM market. That station is rumored to be contemplating a format change as well. While WQCD was a decent smooth jazzer, it always struggled in the ratings and was never considered one of the top smooth jazz stations in the industry, despite being located in the top market in the country. The format is slowly dying on terrestrial radio, and outside of a handful of successful stations, more than likely the only place you'll find this music in the future is online or on satellite. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The one station I can think of that thrives with 'smooth jazz' is > WNUA in > Chicago. From paul@derrynh.net Tue Feb 12 04:53:15 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:53:15 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: <9A3CB35E-B77A-4F1F-8ECB-8C0BC2B18E23@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001c86d5d$181dee60$d5c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Or HD-2's.... I would guess that if WQCD has an Hd-2 signal that they would place the SJ format on that signal... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:54 AM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: CD 101.9 is gone forever Along with WNUA, WVMV/Detroit, KIFM/San Diego, KTWV in LA, KKSF/San Francisco and WLVE/Miami continue to bill well and bring in desirable demos. However, these are all heritage smooth jazz stations with established audiences in markets that are condusive to the format. There are fewer and fewer of these stations around anymore. Philadelphia used to be solid SJ market, but not so much anymore. The latest incarnation of the format on 97.5 has struggled in the ratings with the Personal People Meter. Same goes for KHJZ in Houston, the other test PPM market. That station is rumored to be contemplating a format change as well. While WQCD was a decent smooth jazzer, it always struggled in the ratings and was never considered one of the top smooth jazz stations in the industry, despite being located in the top market in the country. The format is slowly dying on terrestrial radio, and outside of a handful of successful stations, more than likely the only place you'll find this music in the future is online or on satellite. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The one station I can think of that thrives with 'smooth jazz' is > WNUA in > Chicago. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 12 09:59:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:59:49 -0500 Subject: CD 101.9 is gone forever In-Reply-To: <9A3CB35E-B77A-4F1F-8ECB-8C0BC2B18E23@charter.net> References: <47AB65A4.4080103@ttlc.net> <18347.29577.468887.115152@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802110914j5de805fcl5c1a6eb71b14c09e@mail.gmail.com> <9A3CB35E-B77A-4F1F-8ECB-8C0BC2B18E23@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802120659l5732dba6qed0fb4f09a09f3f0@mail.gmail.com> In the case of WNUA it helps to have a jazz legend Ramsey Lewis doing mornings. I think the biggest problem facing radio today is the affluent listeners that advertisers want have all bought satellite or Ipods. This is similar to what UHF stations face as a majority of their viewers are non-cable subscribers and you get ads geared to poor credit risks, lawyer scams and 'as seen on TV' products. I am amazed that nobody has considered going back to a personality driven interactive format using music and phone calls. It worked 25 years ago and could again. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 12 11:22:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:22:38 -0500 Subject: WEEI is NPR compared to this Message-ID: <4fc429770802120822v5fa8c1d9ue05dd38def380467@mail.gmail.com> Many complain that WEEI is locker room radio but it is NPR compared to what is happening in Chicago. The Chicago Sun-Times Jay Marrotti just shakes his head at what is happening there. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/785028,mariotti020908.article What makes it worse is the 2 stations involved are owned by Disney and CBS. From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 15:55:48 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception Message-ID: <18142532.1202849748578.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My mom bought a new DTV last summer. I think it was a Philips/Magnavox. She didn't even know that it was a DTV, or anything about it. She just thought she was replacing her old set. It was on sale for a low price of under $300 for a 19" model, and I'm guessing that may be because it has a much more rectangular (closer to square) screen than any other newer DTV's I've seen which all have much wider screens. This must have been an early model that didn't conform to new dimensions. With the widescreen broadcasts on DTV, this set has two choices for resolution. The picture can fill the screen with at least an inch cut off on either side, or the entire picture can be seen with black spaces on the top and bottom. My mom chooses the former. Anyway, she asked my brother to set it up, and he knew nothing about DTV either. He called me up, exclaiming "This thing has a perfect picture on any channel that it gets, and it gets two of most of the channels, with different programming. It even gets four Channel 44's!" I said, "It sounds like our mom bought a digital TV!" Anyway, on the subject of over the air DTV reception with rabbit ears, all the stations at 128 come in with no problem. My mom is in between Newtonville and Newton Corner, just about four miles from the 128 towers. The top tower lights can be seen just above the local tree line outside her window. However, it also gets the DTV signals from 27 in W. Boylston and 66 in Hudson(?) on the rabbit ears with minimal tweaking. She's on a second floor, but not a particularly high ground elevation. EP From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Feb 13 00:49:22 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Chris Berman Tapes. Message-ID: <147961.24738.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Not as famous as the Pentagon Papers or the Nixon Tapes, but they may be getting there. Kevin Vahey linked to the first one of these tapes that popped up on YouTube a week or two ago, and since then there have been a bunch of them popping up online. ESPN issued a statement saying Berman's behavior on these half-dozen or so tapes isn't indicative of his work-place behavior. Meanwhile, more tapes keep showing up. The link below has the ESPN statement and links to the videos: http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/12/espn-says-chris-berman-videos-do-not-reflect-his-typical-workpl/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 13 12:17:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:54 -0500 Subject: The Chris Berman Tapes. In-Reply-To: <147961.24738.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <147961.24738.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802130917s7b317998jaaeea4fa4c64dca@mail.gmail.com> You Tube has pulled the video claing copyright violations. I am no lawyer but can ESPN claim a copyright on something that never aired? On 2/13/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > Not as famous as the Pentagon Papers or the Nixon Tapes, but they may > be getting there. Kevin Vahey linked to the first one of these tapes > that popped up on YouTube a week or two ago, and since then there have > been a bunch of them popping up online. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 13 13:51:03 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:51:03 -0500 Subject: The Chris Berman Tapes. In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802130917s7b317998jaaeea4fa4c64dca@mail.gmail.com> References: <147961.24738.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770802130917s7b317998jaaeea4fa4c64dca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18355.15383.340437.199393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > You Tube has pulled the video claing copyright violations. > I am no lawyer but can ESPN claim a copyright on something that never aired? Yes. Copyright inheres in a work from the moment it is "fixed in tangible form" (e.g., recorded on tape or disk), and if Berman was in the ESPN studios or offices at the time, he was presumably recorded by other ESPN employees and thus those recordings would be "works made for hire" and belong to ESPN/TWDC. Disclaimer: IANAL,TINLA. -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 14 06:21:36 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:36 -0500 Subject: WEEI is NPR compared to this Message-ID: <380-220082414112136671@ix.netcom.com> weird, everytime I tried the link, it hung IE7. Finally tried http://www.suntimes.com/sports/ and then saw the article listed, got it. The crazy thing is, the Suntimes site article shows the exact URL you listed! another case of black holes in the internet? And yes, the story in Chicago is insane. thanks for posting the link. Bob > [Original Message] > From: Kevin Vahey > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Date: 2/12/2008 1:04:43 PM > Subject: WEEI is NPR compared to this > > Many complain that WEEI is locker room radio but it is NPR compared to what > is happening in Chicago. > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 09:41:22 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Breaking News Alert: Radio legend Jess Cain dies In-Reply-To: <9200757.1202999897629.JavaMail.root@boston.com> References: <9200757.1202999897629.JavaMail.root@boston.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802140641v5de80911hf56da6d90b3e995@mail.gmail.com> RIP Jess ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Boston.com Newsletters" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Breaking News Alert: Radio legend Jess Cain dies To: "kvahey@gmail.com" Jess Cain, the legendary Boston radio personality famous for song parodies like "Fly Me to Metheun" and "The Yaz Song," died early this morning at his home in Beacon Hill. The 81-year-old died at 5 a.m. after a long battle with cancer, said his son, Michael Cain. To read more, visit http://www.boston.com To unsubscribe to this mailing, please simply send a blank message to unsub-88670-15248@unsub.boston.com and you will automatically be removed. For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with Boston.com, please contact advertising@boston.com or call Sean McDonnell, Executive Director of Sales at (617) 929-7034. You can also visit our online media kit (http://www.boston.com/mediakit) for more information. If you have any questions, you may contact Boston.com at the following address: Boston.com, Attn: E-mail administrator, 320 Congress Street, Boston, MA 02210. Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Feb 14 10:02:32 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:02:32 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna Message-ID: <47B45808.1060800@cssinc.com> Allow me to be the first on the group.... Happy Birthday Donna! Brian Vita, CSS Inc. From wayne@vacationdreams.org Thu Feb 14 12:08:57 2008 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:08:57 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna Message-ID: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> I concur! Happy Birthday to the BRI List Queen.... ;^) Wayne ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Brian Vita To: boston Radio Interest Board , Donna Halper Subject: Happy Birthday Donna Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:02:32 -0500 >Allow me to be the first on the group.... > >Happy Birthday Donna! > >Brian Vita, CSS Inc. "This message will self destruct in 15 seconds...." From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 12:03:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:03:58 -0500 Subject: Jess Cain appreciation thread Message-ID: <4fc429770802140903p4103c231kca5b9656481e0fcf@mail.gmail.com> http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/radio_legend_je.html As we mourn the passing of Jess Cain we must also appreciate the countless hours of joy he gave us for over 30 years. Of course Red Sox fans will always remember him for The Yaz Song http://staffannouncer.com/blog/audio/yazsong.mp3 Bev Kennedy who is the widow of Bob Kennedy who hosted a popular talk show at WBZ in the 60's sent me this story to give to Jess a couple of months ago. I did contact him at the hospice in Cambridge and read him this story. Jess laughed for 10 minutes. Late in the winter of 1968, my late husband talk show host Bob Kennedy, and I were preparing to move from our beloved Dedham to Los Angeles. Bob decided that we should have one last party-kind of a clean-the-liquor-cabinet-out blast. We invited a number of friends and neighbors including attorney Mike Klarfeld and his wife Bobbi. Late in the evening, Mike who was feeling no pain, told us a story about Boston radio morning man Jess Cain. According to Mike, who by that time was swearing that, "If the Kennedys can move to LA, so can the Klarfelds!" (more on that later), Jess had one morning talked about the perfect way to come to work. Mike said that Jess wanted to just once ride to work in a chauffer-driven Rolls Royce with a chilled bottle of champagne waiting for him and a driver who greeted him with, "Jess Cain, you are a very funny man." Well, Mike Klarfeld owned a Rolls Royce and could easily afford a bottle of the best bubbly and that appropriate greeting. Somehow, he managed to find Jess's address, I believe in Cohasset, got up long before even Jess was up, drove to the house and sat in the driveway with the Rolls idling. Eventually, Jess came out carrying a cup of coffee?.and, again, according to Mike, let out a scream as Mike told him how funny he was and dropped the coffee. Mike did take Jess to the station that morning. He never told us if he drove Jess back home after his morning show. Now, back to the LA remark. So, we'd all had a few and Mike was just blowing off steam. Right? Well, that's what Bob and I thought?.until the day that notorious Rolls Royce pulled into our driveway in Westlake Village outside of LA with Mike, Bobbi, their two daughters, Bobbi's furs and jewelry, the china, the silver and other valuables. The movers were bringing the rest! Liquor or not, you had to take Mike Klarfeld at his word! He was there to stay From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 14 12:41:38 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:41:38 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna In-Reply-To: <47B45808.1060800@cssinc.com> References: <47B45808.1060800@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <47B43702.26808.4C953E6@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Feb 2008 Brian Vita wrote: > Allow me to be the first on the group.... > > Happy Birthday Donna! It's Donna's birthday? Happy birthday, Donna! You have the same birthday as Jack Benny. If Jack Benny were alive, he would be 39 today. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 14 12:51:54 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:51:54 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna In-Reply-To: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> References: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> Message-ID: <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:08 PM 2/14/2008, wayne@vacationdreams.org wrote: > I concur! > >Happy Birthday to the BRI List Queen.... ;^) Awww, you guys are the best. Does it seem possible that I'm 61? People who know me say I don't look it, which I guess is a good thing... From eforry@bostonirish.com Thu Feb 14 12:58:26 2008 From: eforry@bostonirish.com (Ed Forry) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:58:26 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Message-ID: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. I published an appreciation of Jess back in May, 2005, when he had been nominated for the radio hall of fame. It began: "You are a Real Bostonian if you can recall the names of Sidney Flack, Hap Smiley, or Pressgate Fenway. They were the comic creations of the great Jess Cain, the man who virtually invented the genre of local morning radio on the old WHDH, 850 on the AM dial, and a man who helped several generations of Boston radio listeners to wake up and greet each new day with a smile." The full text, as well as Greg O'Brien's June, 2005 profile of Jess is online at www.bostonirish.com Also, Jordan Rich plans to devote a full hour to remember Jess on his WBZ radio program, on Friday night, Feb 15 beginning just after midnight (2/16) From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:19:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:19:15 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802141019t113e512dy3fd4d19ace65406a@mail.gmail.com> I sent an email to the Hall of Fame in Chicago. Bruce Famed Boston radio personality Jess Cain passed away this morning at the age of 81. It is a shame he was never inducted to your Hall of Fame while alive though he was nominated. I would hope that now he can be fast tracked to the place he deserves in your HOF. He was one of the best radio has ever seen. I quickly got a reply I am sorry to hear the news of Jess Cain's passing. He was a great broadcaster and once was nominated as yuo know for induction into the National Radio Hall of Fame. Unfortunately, he did not do well in the national balloting. I will share your thoughts with the RHOF Steering Committee. Bruce DuMont Chairman National Radio Hall of Fame Let's face it. Compared to other markets in the country Boston has done a terrible job of putting our rich radio history on the web. This is not a knock on the Boston Radio site that Scott and Garrett have so loveably maintained. For example look what Buffalo has done. We should be able to do as much if not better. http://www.buffalobroadcasters.com/ At least for starters let us try to lobby to get Jess into the Hall of Fame in Chicago. On 2/14/08, Ed Forry wrote: > I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this > morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. > I published an appreciation of Jess back in May, 2005, when he had > been nominated for the radio hall of fame. It began: > "You are a Real Bostonian if you can recall the names of Sidney > Flack, Hap Smiley, or Pressgate Fenway. > They were the comic creations of the great Jess Cain, the man who > virtually invented the genre of local > morning radio on the old WHDH, 850 on the AM dial, and a man who > helped several generations of Boston > radio listeners to wake up and greet each new day with a smile." The > full text, as well as Greg O'Brien's June, > 2005 profile of Jess is online at www.bostonirish.com Also, Jordan > Rich plans to devote a full hour > to remember Jess on his WBZ radio program, on Friday night, Feb 15 > beginning just after midnight (2/16) > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 13:34:50 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:34:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Message-ID: <867638.60009.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Pudge Flynn was a neigbor of mine when I was growing up in Holliston. His now ex-wife is my brother's godmother and I used to babysit their son. He got Jess to include me in the birthday wishes when I turned 13, something I was very excited about (I think I was the last kid to listen to AM!) and I still have fond memories of it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Forry To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:58:26 PM Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. I published an appreciation of Jess back in May, 2005, when he had been nominated for the radio hall of fame. It began: "You are a Real Bostonian if you can recall the names of Sidney Flack, Hap Smiley, or Pressgate Fenway. They were the comic creations of the great Jess Cain, the man who virtually invented the genre of local morning radio on the old WHDH, 850 on the AM dial, and a man who helped several generations of Boston radio listeners to wake up and greet each new day with a smile." The full text, as well as Greg O'Brien's June, 2005 profile of Jess is online at www.bostonirish.com Also, Jordan Rich plans to devote a full hour to remember Jess on his WBZ radio program, on Friday night, Feb 15 beginning just after midnight (2/16) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 14 13:35:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:35:27 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> Message-ID: <20080214183531.472916942AC@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:58 PM 2/14/2008, Ed Forry wrote: >I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this >morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. And if anyone wants a scanned photo to remember Jess by, I have several (one of which is on the WBZ site today). From attychase@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:35:57 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68 References: Message-ID: <000701c86f38$727c9c80$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> See http://deadspin.com/355926/espn-reacts-to-berman-videos-takes-them-down-off-youtube-but-worry-not in case you missed them. > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:51:03 -0500 > From: Garrett Wollman > Subject: Re: The Chris Berman Tapes. > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Message-ID: <18355.15383.340437.199393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > < > said: > >> You Tube has pulled the video claing copyright violations. From SCS@entercom.com Thu Feb 14 13:40:23 2008 From: SCS@entercom.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna In-Reply-To: <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB73332A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Awww, you guys are the best. Does it seem possible that I'm 61? People who know me say I don't look it, which I guess is a good thing...<< No, no, no, Donna. Don't you understand that when you lie about your age, you're supposed to subtract years, not add them? ;-) Happy Birthday!!! Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 15:01:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:01:38 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <20080214183531.472916942AC@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <20080214183531.472916942AC@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802141201x5818f906k9faa6a3ce574bc2a@mail.gmail.com> There was no way Jess could win against Jean Shepherd who really should have been put in the national catagory compared to local. http://www.radiohof.org/2005_nominees.html Ed I remember how hard you worked to get Jess elected. http://www.dotnews.com/editorial.4.28.05.html This is a sad day we all knew was coming. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 14:57:28 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:57:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT Message-ID: <00b701c86f43$e3e5a870$6601a8c0@s20208> I know there are people on this list who have longer roots to this area than I and have been wondering about WBZ's signal over the years. By reputation WBZ has one of the best signals in the country. From what I understand, WBZ's signal has not changed over the years. I have picked up WBZ here in Northern Vermont sometimes like a local at night. Other times it is simply not there. I know that some people in NH get the signal every night ...but in No.VT...I can't seem to get it reliably. (I don't know about the Southern part of the state.) Has the signal been this spotty in Vermont for most of BZ's history? Is it the mountainous terrain? Thanks From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 21:16:19 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:16:19 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> Message-ID: <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> Ed Forry wrote: > I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this > morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. My condolences to Jess' family and close buds. Jess Cain was the true gentleman of Boston radio broadcasting whose memory deserves much acclaim. And in the stylings of Jess, himself, "A tip o' the cans to Cain." RIP. Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Feb 14 22:32:22 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:32:22 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna References: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB73332A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <0b3101c86f83$60f75540$6501a8c0@pastor2> . . . And a Happy Birthday from up heah ta Maine! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "Donna Halper" ; "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Donna >>Awww, you guys are the best. Does it seem possible that I'm 61? People who know me say I don't look it, which I guess is a good thing...<< No, no, no, Donna. Don't you understand that when you lie about your age, you're supposed to subtract years, not add them? ;-) Happy Birthday!!! Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 02:11:25 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:11:25 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> Because of my taste in music I only came to realize the talent of Jess Cain for the second half of his run at HDH. I guess it was around 1975 that HDH adopted the quasi Top 40 format that BZ dropped. Jess, Sean Casey, Dave Supple are the jocks I remember from the mid 70's. But HDH was the station my parents listened to in the 50's and 60's. Around 1976 or so my late Aunt Agnes became a regular on Jess' show. It came from the day he called her for Cash Call and she barked 'The jackpot is 8,544.85 but you are not Jess Cain, I know his voice' and she hung up. She would become Agnes from West Newton and it was great fun. He was the best ever in this town and I am surprised at how few comments have been made. On 2/14/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Ed Forry wrote: > > I mourn the loss of our great friend, Jess Cain who passed this > > morning, Valentine's Day, at his home in the Back Bay. > > My condolences to Jess' family and close buds. Jess Cain was the true > gentleman of Boston radio broadcasting whose memory deserves much > acclaim. And in the stylings of Jess, himself, "A tip o' the cans to > Cain." RIP. > > Bill O'Neill > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 15 03:07:16 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:07:16 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Message-ID: <20080215080716.A9AC949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Via the Herald here are details on where to send condolence cards and when the memorial service will be held (I know online newspaper articles may expire after a few days, so you can use this for reference): "A public memorial service will be held at 10 a.m. Feb. 23 at Glastonbury Abbey in Hingham. Cards and condolences can be sent to the Cain Family c/o 54 Bluff Road, North Weymouth, MA 02191." http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1073649 From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 15 04:05:41 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:05:41 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.co m> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> And Kevin wrote-- >He was the best ever in this town and I am surprised at how few >comments have been made. My parents turned me on to Jess's show-- I was a top-40 fan and wouldn't have listened to WHDH otherwise. But like many, I loved his sense of humour. And when I worked at WHDH in 1979-80 as music director and assistant PD, he was wonderful to me. Not an egomaniac like some people I could name... I wonder if the lack of comments is because many people on this list weren't in his demographic. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Feb 15 06:31:15 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:31:15 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Message-ID: the nice Birthday Lady (!whoo hoo! Happy Birthday, Donna!) noted... > I wonder if the lack of comments is because many people on this > list > weren't in his demographic. > I'm sure that many, like myself, have been working to cull just one of many fantastic memories of Jess that they'd like to share. My most favorite Jess memory is the day in 1983 when he allowed me, the barely-in-the-demo weekend fill-in kid to lurk in the studio to watch he and Pudge do their thing. As has been noted, the communication betwixt the two was telepathic. Jess knew what he needed at any given moment, and Pudge knew it, too. And what I learned most that morning was that Jess not only knew his craft, he knew his audience. Interactions with listeners on and off the air were identical. Each visitor to his little time on WHDH was made to feel like he or she was the only thing that mattered. And he spoke on the air in the same manner - as if to only one person with the same level of respect. The one instance of "taking the kid under his wing" was when Pudge was rolling tape after 10 while Jess laid down tracks for a few spots. He breezed through each flawlessly, but read a 2nd take just for good measure. He alluded to the importance of pronounciation, especially in a spot he was reading for a restaurant. The variety of international entrees required a seemless shift in accents from Italian to German to French... He did it with the ease that showed his versatile actor's background. Thanks, Jess, for sharing your life and craft with us for all those years. - -Chuck Igo From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 08:15:31 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:15:31 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301c86fd4$e1a58490$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I always enjoyed the pattern changes in the winter (when they were late enough that I would be awake to hear them). Jess used to announce them and say the engineers in Needham had to go outside and turn the swamp around. > I wonder if the lack of comments is because many people on this > list > weren't in his demographic. > From ka3zci@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 16:17:32 2008 From: ka3zci@yahoo.com (Robert Paine) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:17:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: er: Happy Birthday, Donna Message-ID: <800540.55270.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As George Burns would put it: HappyBirthdayToYouHappyBirthdayToYouHappyBirthdayDear DonnaHappyBirthdayToYou. Boom. Bob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 17:01:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:01:20 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Donna In-Reply-To: <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <47b475a9.2b.1075.547755431@vacationdreams.org> <20080214175200.0AC8E694E3B@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802151401i4f224ccua97e5879d7275d19@mail.gmail.com> Happy Birthday Professor Halper From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 17:07:07 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:07:07 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around 1975. That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and Feathers and then Dale Dorman. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 16:23:26 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <00b701c86f43$e3e5a870$6601a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <62875.93876.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Don: Part of the problem with WBZ's super signal at night is..... it's super signal. Let me explain. If you get WBZ during the day fairly well during the day, chances are the signal will be fairly diminished at night due to the "cancellation effect" of a combination strong groundwave and strong skywave fighting themselves out. 'BZ's nighttime signal beyond about 200-250 miles out should be very strong as there are no vestiges of the groundwave left. It's all skywave by then. However, up in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont, you're still somewhat too close to be able to get the full fury of 'BZ's skywave reception. Now, up in towards Quebec City and Montreal, it's quite a different story. It's nothing but skywave by then. The Green Mountains are, indirectly, not at fault for 'BZ's signal problems in Vermont. AM is not really susceptable to mountain blockages like FM is. BUT, the ground conductivity has plenty to do with AM coverage. I believe the ground conductivity in areas like Vermont of Upstate New York are practically 0.5, compared to a 20-30 level in areas such as Kansas, Nebraska et.al. An AM station with only 250 watts can cover for hundreds of miles in the midwest, while here in the east you're lucky if you can cover 25-30 miles at best. So, hopefully this info may help you. Good luck and good listening. 73. -Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts --- Don A wrote: > I know there are people on this list who have longer > roots to this area than > I and have been wondering about WBZ's signal over > the years. > > By reputation WBZ has one of the best signals in the > country. From what I > understand, WBZ's signal has not changed over the > years. > > I have picked up WBZ here in Northern Vermont > sometimes like a local at > night. > > Other times it is simply not there. > > I know that some people in NH get the signal every > night ...but in No.VT...I > can't seem to get it reliably. (I don't know about > the Southern part of the > state.) > > Has the signal been this spotty in Vermont for most > of BZ's history? Is it > the mountainous terrain? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 15 17:28:49 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:28:49 -0500 Subject: Where The Rubber Meets The Road Message-ID: <20080215222850.575B1164288@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Steve Bailey is a business columnist at the Boston Globe, and in his column for Friday, February 15th, he gave overall rate-card figures for four prominent Boston radio stations: (part 1, morning drive) during WEEI-AM's D&C, $1,500 per minute; during WBZ-AM's morning drive news with Ed Walsh, $1,300 per minute; during WRKO-AM's "Finnegan's Wake, I mean Forum"), on which Mr. Bailey is a regular contributor) $400 per minute; and during "Imus in the Morning" on WTKK-FM, $250 per minute; (part 2, PM drive) Glenn Ordway & Co on WEEI, $1,500 per minute (the same as morning drive); WBZ's afternoon drive newscast with assorted hosts, $625 per minute; WRKO's Howie Carr, $600 per minute; and here's a SHOCKAH...WTKK's Jay Severin, $350 per minute. Dan Kennedy, at his Medianation blog, notes that rate cards can almost be described as works of fiction, but this account gives some kind of picture on how the stations are doing during critical hours (financially, not technically). -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 15 19:03:16 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:16 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0bc301c8702f$55a13060$6501a8c0@pastor2> WHDH didn't have much of an audience, I suspect, out Fitchburg way; our region was on the fringe of its signal. Nevertheless, as a teen I sometimes listened to Jess' morning show, but chiefly as a segue to Jim Runyon, whom I remember best from his syndicated "Chickenman" shtick: a very funny takeoff on Batman. Jess had a warm humor and a very pleasant show. The type of music played wasn't my thing (at the time), but I knew he had a loyal following among my parents' generation. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "Ed Forry" ; ; "Bill O'Neill" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Re: An Appreciation of Jess Cain > I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the > boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start > listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around > 1975. > > That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and > Feathers and then Dale Dorman. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 15 21:45:51 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:45:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <00b701c86f43$e3e5a870$6601a8c0@s20208> References: <00b701c86f43$e3e5a870$6601a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <20080216024604.91F004A4E7D@mail2.wildblue.net> Don A wrote: >I have picked up WBZ here in Northern Vermont sometimes like a local at night. > >Other times it is simply not there. > >I know that some people in NH get the signal every night ...but in >No.VT...I can't seem to get it reliably. (I don't know about the >Southern part of the state.) > >Has the signal been this spotty in Vermont for most of BZ's >history? Is it the mountainous terrain? I grew up in central Vt. (1960s). WBZ came in pretty good day and night. I'm in northern N.H. now...daytime reception is iffy...sometimes it's ok, other times almost unlistenable. No real pattern to it. At night it booms in. I miss being able to listen regularly to them...there's not really any source of news up this way. My work vehicle has the deafest radio ever made. From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Feb 16 10:45:42 2008 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:45:42 -0800 Subject: Jess tribute Message-ID: <47B70526.6070904@comcast.net> Anyone record the Jordan Rich WBZ Jess Cain Tribute hour show? I'd appreciate receiving a copy. Thanks. =Russ (I'm in Vancouver WA) From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 16 11:14:42 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:14:42 -0500 Subject: Jess tribute References: <47B70526.6070904@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001b01c870b7$0a744fe0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I hadn't known about this, and wish I had. Out of curiosity . . . I know WHDH no longer exists, but has WEEI, as its heir-to-850, paid any sort of tribute to Jess? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Jess tribute > Anyone record the Jordan Rich WBZ Jess Cain Tribute hour show? I'd > appreciate receiving a copy. Thanks. =Russ > (I'm in Vancouver WA) From lspin@comcast.net Sat Feb 16 11:11:18 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:11:18 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c870b6$914a3ee0$b3debca0$@net> I, like many on this list, didn't start listening to Jess Cain until the '75 format change. For me, it was long after the change. My mother had become an 'HDH listener, and he'd be on her kitchen radio in the morning. I found that Jess would fly off onto these little, theatrical tangents - very early in the morning. It was surreal to hear this stuff through my pre-coffee haze. He had, what appeared to be, conversations with Frank Purdue during a Purdue commercial. It seemed to go on for minutes, and Frank seemed to respond to every one of Jess' cues. And just as Mr. Purdue left the studio, we'd hear a crack of the whip and a torrent of clucking chickens appeared to be herded out of the studio. I had to wonder if these had been ad-libbed or carefully scripted. There were also the legendary commercials with "The Window Boys." They appeared to enter the studio for their commercial, and the sound of breaking glass was everywhere. It was, again, a real production. And those "Horror-scopes!" -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Subject: Re: An Appreciation of Jess Cain I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around 1975. That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and Feathers and then Dale Dorman. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 16 11:43:04 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:43:04 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B71298.8040301@gmail.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the > boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start > listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around > 1975. > > That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and > Feathers and then Dale Dorman. > > What was the '75 format flip at haitch dee haitch? Bill O'Neill // From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 16 12:53:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <47B71298.8040301@gmail.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> <47B71298.8040301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802160953i1bf0dbffsb468a9c329c830a7@mail.gmail.com> HDH dropped the MOR format that was heavy with standards and went to a more Top 40 sound which was similar to what WBZ did in the 60's. The major reason was BZ had morphed into a MOR format. Jess was reported to be livid about the move as he hated the music. On 2/16/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the > > boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start > > listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around > > 1975. > > > > That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and > > Feathers and then Dale Dorman. > > > > > > What was the '75 format flip at haitch dee haitch? > > Bill O'Neill > // > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 16 13:15:15 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:15:15 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802160953i1bf0dbffsb468a9c329c830a7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> <47B71298.8040301@gmail.com> <4fc429770802160953i1bf0dbffsb468a9c329c830a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080216181521.B9CD21FE6E6@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 12:53 PM 2/16/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >HDH dropped the MOR format that was heavy with standards and went to a >more Top 40 sound which was similar to what WBZ did in the 60's. The >major reason was BZ had morphed into a MOR format. > >Jess was reported to be livid about the move as he hated the music. But Jess was a professional and the change got WHDH huge numbers. When I got there in 1979 as music director and Assistant PD, the station was full-service, with only some music, lots of talk and sports and features. The music was very soft top-40-- we even edited out guitar bridges in hit songs if they were perceived as too rock and roll sounding. Very much like what Magic 106.7 would have great success with. What always impressed me about Jess was how he was willing to learn from others, even though he himself was a well-respected pro. He sometimes asked me to critique his airchecks-- now, keep in mind, I was an experienced jock (13 years in 4 major markets) but I was never of the fame or the calibre of Jess. I can't begin to tell you how flattered I was to be asked for my input. But that's how Jess was. There were also a couple of incidents at WHDH that I'd rather not describe on the list, as they were both sexist and anti-Semitic. Jess was one of the people who stood up for me. I never forgot it. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 13:36:49 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <62875.93876.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451123.3319.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Peter Q. George" wrote: > Hi Don: > > Part of the problem with WBZ's super signal at night > is..... it's super signal. Let me explain. If you > get WBZ during the day fairly well during the day, > chances are the signal will be fairly diminished at > night due to the "cancellation effect" of a > combination strong groundwave and strong skywave > fighting themselves out. 'BZ's nighttime signal > beyond about 200-250 miles out should be very strong > as there are no vestiges of the groundwave left. There's also the stations-staying-on-too-late on 1030 kHz factor and the FCC-licenses-stations-to-stay-on-on-1030-kHz-at-locations-and-with-nighttime-powers-that-are-way-too-high factor. About halfway between Hartford and Sturbridge on I-84 the other night, I was getting an in-and-out hissing skywave signal from somewhere that made WBZ unlistenable. That's certainly in the zone that gets groundwave and a little skywave from WBZ -- about 85 miles from Hull. But that wasn't why it was unlistenable. WBZ's putting the equivalent of 80 or 90 or 100 kilowatts toward where I was. In the daytime, it comes in perfectly well -- weak by civilian standards, but more than listenable. The 750-mile protection for the Class A stations is a joke. Insert my usual rant here. I'll spare you. Meanwhile, have I told you how in the last few years I get skywave crap blotting out WCBS in Wallingford, Conn., where I'm betting I'm inside their 0.5 groundwave contour. Then there's WOR. Ohhh. Don't get me started. :)) The FCC pays no attention to actual physics and radio engineering when it licenses secondary stations on the Class A channels. It pays no attention to the cumulative effect of 10 or 20 little diddly skywave signals. When the X-band was new, I had fun listening to the 1 kW night signals from California. That's the sort of signal that's out there murmuring behind the Class A stations all over the place. Geez. I guess that was at least pat of my rant . . . From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 16 15:23:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:23:56 -0500 Subject: Jess tribute In-Reply-To: <001b01c870b7$0a744fe0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <47B70526.6070904@comcast.net> <001b01c870b7$0a744fe0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770802161223x28f58e27u5b0332496f31587e@mail.gmail.com> They played the Yaz Song on The Big Show..... On 2/16/08, Doug Drown wrote: > > I hadn't known about this, and wish I had. > Out of curiosity . . . I know WHDH no longer exists, but has WEEI, as its > heir-to-850, paid any sort of tribute to Jess? -Doug > > > From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 16 15:52:50 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:52:50 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <20080216181521.B9CD21FE6E6@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com> <47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com> <4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com> <20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> <47B71298.8040301@gmail.com> <4fc429770802160953i1bf0dbffsb468a9c329c830a7@mail.gmail.com> <20080216181521.B9CD21FE6E6@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47B74D22.5090904@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > The music was very soft top-40-- we even edited out guitar bridges in > hit songs if they were perceived as too rock and roll sounding. Very > much like what Magic 106.7 would have great success with. I recall that in the combo booth where the music carts were located, there was a section for songs edited for morning use with the same cart number but with a "-M" after it. I always figured it was to keep the element to around three minutes but I suppose it did serve to soften it up. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 16 15:23:32 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:23:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT References: <451123.3319.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044> There is NO MORE 750-mile nighttime-coverage radius for ND Class As--if there ever was one! At one point, the FCC may have been talking about such a radius but AFAIK, it was never codified. And then, around the time of the Rio Treaty (late 80s?), the formulas for calculating NIF contours were changed, reducing the protected radius to approximately 500 miles. For illustration, take a look at the spacing between WGN and WVOA (CP) DeWitt (Syracuse) NY. The distance between the stations is only 610 miles. WGN's protected contour lies just east of Buffalo, almost exactly 500 miles from the WGN Tx. You'd think that WBZ, because it's directional to the west, would be protected over a larger distance than all other US Class As (except WWL, which is also directional). Well, maybe a little--but not anywhere near as much as you might think. WNVR, a Class D licensed to Vernon Hills IL, about 30 miles west of the Loop, runs 120W-N into two towers that produce a figure-eight pattern on a north-south axis with a deep minimum toward Boston. Nevertheless, in Ontario, east of Detroit (and west of Buffalo), WNVR causes interference to WBZ within WBZ's 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour. This overlap is permitted by treaty because Class A AMs' nighttime-skywave service is not protected outside of the borders of the Class A's home country. Bear in mind that, despite being only 30 or so miles from WNVR, the lake-shore in Chicago proper receives a nighttime signal from WBZ that was recently described in a posting here as being better than those of all but a couple of Chicago's five 50-kW Class A AMs. As for the hissing sound you mentioned that destroyed WBZ at night a few hundred miles from Boston, it was most likely KDKA's IBOC but could also have been WHO's IBOC (or maybe some of each). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: WBZ's historical signal in VT > > --- "Peter Q. George" wrote: > >> Hi Don: >> >> Part of the problem with WBZ's super signal at night >> is..... it's super signal. Let me explain. If you >> get WBZ during the day fairly well during the day, >> chances are the signal will be fairly diminished at >> night due to the "cancellation effect" of a >> combination strong groundwave and strong skywave >> fighting themselves out. 'BZ's nighttime signal >> beyond about 200-250 miles out should be very strong >> as there are no vestiges of the groundwave left. > > There's also the stations-staying-on-too-late on > 1030 kHz factor and the > FCC-licenses-stations-to-stay-on-on-1030-kHz-at-locations-and-with-nighttime-powers-that-are-way-too-high > factor. > > About halfway between Hartford and Sturbridge on > I-84 the other night, I was getting an in-and-out > hissing skywave signal from somewhere that made WBZ > unlistenable. That's certainly in the zone that gets > groundwave and a little skywave from WBZ -- about 85 > miles from Hull. But that wasn't why it was > unlistenable. > > WBZ's putting the equivalent of 80 or 90 or 100 > kilowatts toward where I was. In the daytime, it comes > in perfectly well -- weak by civilian standards, but > more than listenable. > > The 750-mile protection for the Class A stations > is a joke. Insert my usual rant here. I'll spare you. > > Meanwhile, have I told you how in the last few > years I get skywave crap blotting out WCBS in > Wallingford, Conn., where I'm betting I'm inside their > 0.5 groundwave contour. Then there's WOR. Ohhh. Don't > get me started. :)) > > The FCC pays no attention to actual physics and > radio engineering when it licenses secondary stations > on the Class A channels. It pays no attention to the > cumulative effect of 10 or 20 little diddly skywave > signals. > > When the X-band was new, I had fun listening to > the 1 kW night signals from California. That's the > sort of signal that's out there murmuring behind the > Class A stations all over the place. > > Geez. I guess that was at least pat of my rant . . > . > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 16 16:59:49 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:59:49 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <451123.3319.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18359.23765.648118.775419@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This overlap is permitted by treaty because Class A AMs' > nighttime-skywave service is not protected outside of the borders of > the Class A's home country. No stations, of whatever class, receive any protection outside their home countries. -GAWollman From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 16 17:36:03 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:36:03 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain References: <5F12CBFE-EBF0-4904-AEEE-8E2CD3B98403@bostonirish.com><47B4F5F3.6030105@gmail.com><4fc429770802142311w49e68ad9nf537b24c74fa2449@mail.gmail.com><20080215090552.960491CFD1C@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802151407p266bb5e2r413c442d5ac7d76a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c870ec$50e2e920$5f834c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: > I suspect that since Jess' audience for years were the parents of the > boomers that may explain it. As I wrote last night I didn't start > listening to HDH outside of sports until they changed format around > 1975. > > That said I now regret the wasted mornings listening to Al Gates and > Feathers and then Dale Dorman. > > Yup, 'HDH was my mom's station of choice in the '60s, especially for school closings. I preferred Carl DeSuze on 'BZ or, later, Al Gates on 'RKO. In the summer of '74, Jess was the compromise my dad and I reached for radio accompaniment for our half-hour drive to dad's office, where I had a summer job. He'd have preferred WCRB or WBUR, I'd have chosen WRKO or WCOZ. 'HDH was tolerable, at least, for both of us, and I even found myself enjoying some of Jess' jokes. If I recall correctly, sportswriter Tim Horgan did a daily sports commentary on Jess' show for a while. I don't remember much about it but for my father vehemently disagreeing nearly every morning! Howard From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 16 18:03:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:03:37 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <18359.23765.648118.775419@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <451123.3319.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044> <18359.23765.648118.775419@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802161503r28cebf70jef93c00d6f34c85a@mail.gmail.com> I was surprised to hear another station on 1030 near O'Hare Airport and it wasn't WNVR. WCTS outside Minneapolis was booming in. They have long been suspect in not going to night power. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 10:37:47 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:37:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT In-Reply-To: <001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <575508.45836.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > There is NO MORE 750-mile nighttime-coverage radius > for ND Class > As--if there ever was one! At one point, the FCC may > have been talking > about such a radius but AFAIK, it was never > codified. I saw a statement recently on the internet (where we know ALL information is ALWAYS accurate!) that I believe referenced the idea that the 750-mile radius was a simple-simon approximation of the 0.1/mv/50 percent skywave. Whatever the protection is supposed to be, it's somehow related to the strength of the skywave signal. Case in point is KYW, which nulls toward Boston, allowing WBIX to get on at night, even though it's only, what, 250-300 miles from Philadelphia. And, regarding the destruction of skywave reception as a result of the HD signals, I can't say I've heard any of that. Perhaps I described the interference to WBZ in north-central Connecticut poorly. It was a classic case of some interfering signal fading in and fading out. Just Friday night in Waltham, I was getting WWL, weak but more or less steady, for the few minutes I left it on. This winter I've heard WHO in the mush, as usual. I listened to WBBM for awhile the night of the killings at Northern Illinois University. BTW, they took a news conference from the campus live for around 30 minutes -- and the anchor didn't even jump in every few minutes to say the call letters and what the programming was. He only came on for the legal ID. I thought that was quite unusual. But I digress. My point is, the only interference I was getting on 780 was the usual c&w station in the Maritimes that I figure is always on with its daytime signal. But I'm sure it will be gone for good sooner rather than later, anyway. Meanwhile, I love my CCRadio. I can listen to WCBS in Waltham by tuning it to 878 kHZ -- thus losing the splash from the local 890. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 10:44:42 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:44:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ's historical signal in Taunton (Was WBZ's historical signal in VT) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802161503r28cebf70jef93c00d6f34c85a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866249.32992.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about this: Driving through Taunton at around 11 p.m. in late December, I was getting some hash/trash signal fading in on WBZ. I forget now how many miles from Hull that is, although I looked it up. 35 or 40? Again, I don't think it was the HD thing. It sounded like a murmuring from some idiot station somewhere. Does Cuba have some rogue signal on 1030, I wonder? And: Do we figure this will keep escalating until the former I-A stations' interference-free signals end at the fences around their antennas? You know, equality -- everyone's a Class IV station now . . . From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 17 11:49:54 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: WBZ's historical signal in VT References: <451123.3319.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001c870d9$ce9b5680$6eeda644@SatU205S5044><18359.23765.648118.775419@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802161503r28cebf70jef93c00d6f34c85a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c87185$2321b5e0$bdeca644@SatU205S5044> WCTS, if using its day pattern and 50-kW day power at night, is the right distance from Chicago to put a strong skywave into O'Hare BUT WCTS's day pattern has a deep minimum to the southeast--toward Chicago. It's not impossible that, notwithstanding that minimum, WCTS is the station you heard. However, a much more likely candidate is WGSF Memphis TN. WGSF runs 50 kW-D/10 kW-CH ND D and CH and, like WCTS, runs 1 kW DA-N (although WGSF uses three towers at night to protect WBZ and WCTS uses five). In the past, WGSF has, I believe, received FCC reprimands (and maybe even a fine) for using its D facilities outside of the hours for which they are licensed. However, I have not heard anything in over a year about this station operating illegally. I think the station has changed owners since it was a routine violator. WGSF isn't even TN's closest full-timer to WBZ. There is a second Class B AM in TN about 160 miles closer to Boston. That station runs 1 kW-D/250W-N DA-N (also three towers). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: WBZ's historical signal in VT >I was surprised to hear another station on 1030 near O'Hare Airport >and it > wasn't WNVR. > WCTS outside Minneapolis was booming in. They have long been suspect > in not > going to night power. From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sun Feb 17 18:08:29 2008 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:08:29 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <47B74D22.5090904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> Somewhere I around here, I have a cassette of Neil Cannon on 850 playing Bohemian Rhapsody (edited) on yes, WHDK. ss -----Original Message----- From: Bill O'Neill [mailto:billohno@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:53 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: Ed Forry; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Donna Halper wrote: > The music was very soft top-40-- we even edited out guitar bridges in > hit songs if they were perceived as too rock and roll sounding. Very > much like what Magic 106.7 would have great success with. I recall that in the combo booth where the music carts were located, there was a section for songs edited for morning use with the same cart number but with a "-M" after it. I always figured it was to keep the element to around three minutes but I suppose it did serve to soften it up. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 18 00:33:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:33:02 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> References: <47B74D22.5090904@gmail.com> <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <4fc429770802172133n161cc061v7dc370ae8a132ddc@mail.gmail.com> Red Sox This Week aired The Yaz Song on both channel 38 and channel 4 Sunday night. May not be fair but that is what most people will remember Jess for. Legend has it he did it in one take. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 17 22:09:31 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:09:31 -0500 Subject: T-shirt problems at Entercom? Message-ID: <4fc429770802171909v78bbe3e8p1f6a3b9f56e99f80@mail.gmail.com> Poor Mikey Adams has been crying for t-shirts for 2 years.....then it looks like he wasn't happy when somebody at WRKO got them. Well they say any publicity is good http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1074038&srvc=home&position=4 From markwats@comcast.net Mon Feb 18 06:34:53 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:34:53 -0500 Subject: CBS Cuts At WBZ, WBCN, WODS Message-ID: <001e01c87222$487ec060$82a4764c@Mark> In this week's NERW, Scott Fybush reports that among the CBS Radio jobs cuts that took place nationwide, the following cuts took place in their Boston stations last week: At WBZ, assistand news director Paul Connearney was let go, WBCN's overnight jock position was eliminated, with overnighter Yolanda the Scene Queen moved to weekends, and at WODS, early evening jock Patrick Callahan was sent packing, with JJ Wright coming off overnights to take his place. Looking at the WODS website, it looks like there's no more overnight jock listed, so I guess another overnight shift in Boston is gone. Mark Watson From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Feb 18 07:41:26 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:41:26 -0500 Subject: CBS Cuts At WBZ, WBCN, WODS In-Reply-To: <001e01c87222$487ec060$82a4764c@Mark> References: <001e01c87222$487ec060$82a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <001201c8722b$941d5690$bc5803b0$@net> It's "Juanita, the Scene Queen." She has been on the air at WBCN and WFNX now for more than 20 years. While I'm sad she lost the overnight gig, I'm glad to hear they kept her on for weekends. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:35 AM To: Boston Radio Subject: CBS Cuts At WBZ, WBCN, WODS In this week's NERW, Scott Fybush reports that among the CBS Radio jobs cuts that took place nationwide, the following cuts took place in their Boston stations last week: At WBZ, assistand news director Paul Connearney was let go, WBCN's overnight jock position was eliminated, with overnighter Yolanda the Scene Queen moved to weekends, and at WODS, early evening jock Patrick Callahan was sent packing, with JJ Wright coming off overnights to take his place. Looking at the WODS website, it looks like there's no more overnight jock listed, so I guess another overnight shift in Boston is gone. Mark Watson From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Feb 18 13:51:13 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:51:13 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain Message-ID: > > From: "Bill O'Neill" > CC: Ed Forry , > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > To: Donna Halper > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:52:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: An Appreciation of Jess Cain > > Donna Halper wrote: > > The music was very soft top-40-- we even edited out > > guitar bridges in hit songs if they were perceived as > > too rock and roll sounding. Very much like what Magic > > 106.7 would have great success with. I vividly remember hearing a WHDH-only edited version of "Come Dancing" by The Kinks in the early '80s. It was a light bouncy tune, with the exception of a mid-song break with a repeating hard rock-ish guitar riff which served to connect the "bridge" of the song to the next main verse. The guitar break was chopped out on WHDH. I heard this version on WHDH only, and at all different times of day. It sounded to me that it was done more to make the song fit WHDH's very light, innocuous pop format than to make the track fit time constraints. I'm sure that the soft Top 40 format in WHDH's later years had been tailored to (hopefully) hold on to some of their older listeners from their MOR heritage, or at least not make them grimace and want to change the station due to rockin' guitar breaks. EP From billohno@gmail.com Mon Feb 18 14:45:34 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:45:34 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B9E05E.50904@gmail.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > I'm sure that the soft > Top 40 format in WHDH's later years had been tailored to > (hopefully) hold on to some of their older listeners from > their MOR heritage, or at least not make them grimace and > want to change the station due to rockin' guitar breaks. No, the HDH Cashcall Jackpot kept the seasoned demo close to the 'radio set'. One of the few times I had a cashcall on HDH, the first time I call this guy, I think he was in Dedham. Instead of just letting him know that it was the "'HDH Cashcall calling..." I asked him if he listened to 'HDH or something like that. In a classic tough-guy-uphill-both-ways in a blizzard voice the guy said, "What's the matter wit' you, kid?" I had insulted him! Then he mimicked me with a 'Do you listen to 'HDH?' I let him keep piling on (it was working) and then said asked him to get to the dollar amount (he was off by about 60 bucks.) Mr. Igo shared a great Jess recollection here a couple of days ago. I may have recounted this before (aging = repetition. cough.) While waiting for a show to start one early morning from the mobile studio (Boston Marathon day that I was called in to tech), Jess showed up - early. Then he proceeded to hand out donuts and coffee. I left him to his prep time but he would ask me how things were going, how the suits were treating me, did I have a tape, etc. I complimented him on how he worked well with a perennial caller who went by 'the Red Sox Cynic' and Jess went on at great length talking about how much he appreciated the caller's 'talent' and 'contribution to the show.' He spoke of the show as making sure it was clicking, working, hitting a mark he had set for it all. At the time, I think Jess was the highest paid radio talent in the market but clearly one of the nicest guys within a field that has its share of, well, you know, it's a family show. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Feb 18 23:53:24 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:53:24 -0500 Subject: The down and dirty remote... Message-ID: <47BA60C4.7030103@cssinc.com> As some of you may know, for the past five years I've been doing the non-transmitter related tech work at WMWM at Salem State College. Being a pro audio dealer has helped as the station's annual operating budget is probably a lot less than I spend each year at Starbucks. One of my pet projects has been to find an affordable way to do a real remote. The station owns an old Getner manual phone hybrid and has a jerry-rigged receive only phone patch at the studio end. This is kind of a low rent system. I've been working on an IP based system and here's what I've come up with. Phonic (as well as other manufacturers) makes several audio mixers in their Helix line with either USB or Firewire outputs. The entry units, the Helix 12 and 17 USB models sell for about $150 and $290 respectively. We take the output of the mixer and plug it into a nearby laptop. The laptop is running Oddcast (free from Oddcast.org). The laptop can use a wired, wi-fi or cell modem to connect to the Internet.. I send the Oddcast stream to a server in my office running IceCast (also free). This server was an old out of date PC (actually a P2-300) running Debian Linux (yep, its also free). At the radio station end we have an Internet connected computer running Winamp (also free). We use Winamp to pick the stream off of the server and place it on the air. We're running a 128 bit MP3 stream. The net result is that we have a full-fidelity stereo feed with audio quality that is very listenable. Not bad for a remote for under $200. I'm using a variation of this system for my Sunday night show. I'm doing a show called "Sunday Night Chill" from my own studio. I'm taking the audio output from my production board and running it into an M-Audio firewire audio interface. We then use the same procedure of bouncing the signal off the IceCast server to the radio station. After using this system for the past five weeks I've found it to be reasonably reliable and of excellent sound quality. The feedback that I'm getting from my friends in the audience tell me that the sound quality is as good as or better than from the studio. I'm getting a 10-20 second delay to the studio. OK, so its not major market but it was within our budget! If you're interested in hearing the audio quality of this rig, email me off list and I'll send you the link that I use for the Sunday night feed. If you have any other questions, please ask. Thus endeth my first real technical contribution to this list :-) Brian Vita, WMWM and CSS Inc. From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 19 00:33:25 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:33:25 -0500 Subject: CBS Cuts At WBZ, WBCN, WODS In-Reply-To: <001201c8722b$941d5690$bc5803b0$@net> References: <001e01c87222$487ec060$82a4764c@Mark> <001201c8722b$941d5690$bc5803b0$@net> Message-ID: <47BA6A25.50202@fybush.com> radiotony wrote: > It's "Juanita, the Scene Queen." She has been on the air at WBCN and WFNX > now for more than 20 years. While I'm sad she lost the overnight gig, I'm > glad to hear they kept her on for weekends. Yeah, that'll teach me to write the column from the passenger seat of a car speeding down the Tri-State Tollway north of Chicago. It was uploaded from the car (thanks to free wi-fi at one of the tollway rest areas) before I even got back to the hotel room. Ain't technology grand? s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 19 09:36:02 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:36:02 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's ad touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you just bought it. He went on to tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way up to a $1,900 LCD TV. While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - "fact tags, plain truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt to get customers in the door. Warren must be turning the profit screws. Kevin Vahey wrote: > A market research group in Los Angeles has done a study of digital signals > and has found that almost 6 million homes will lose channels even by > converting to a digital tuner. > > They are claiming that 50% of the people now using rabbit ears will get less > service than they are getting now. > > They are saying the FCC is wrong is saying digital signals hold up for 60-75 > miles and they claim their findings show digital signals degrade at about 35 > miles. > > http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/02/11/6_million_may_lose_digital_tv_reception/ > > > > From sid@wrko.com Tue Feb 19 09:54:19 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:54:19 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's ad touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you just bought it. He went on to tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way up to a $1,900 LCD TV. While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - "fact tags, plain truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt to get customers in the door.<< There's nothing non-factual or even "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about it, and lots of "plain truth." Unless you have cable or satellite (which face their own deadlines for digital conversion in 2012), analog TV will cease transmissions one year from this past Sunday. That is set in stone (it was an act of Congress, not of the FCC), and the only thing that will pry it loose from that stone is another act of Congress. (Many industry experts believe that not all DTV stations will be on the air as of the conversion date, but the Congressional act specifically prohibited waivers of the deadline.) If you just bought a set, and if the retailer you bought it from was obeying the letter of the law, you have already been warned about this. The FCC requires that consumers be warned of the 2/17/2009 conversion deadline at the point of purchase. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Feb 19 09:54:19 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:54:19 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's ad touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you just bought it. He went on to tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way up to a $1,900 LCD TV. While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - "fact tags, plain truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt to get customers in the door.<< There's nothing non-factual or even "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about it, and lots of "plain truth." Unless you have cable or satellite (which face their own deadlines for digital conversion in 2012), analog TV will cease transmissions one year from this past Sunday. That is set in stone (it was an act of Congress, not of the FCC), and the only thing that will pry it loose from that stone is another act of Congress. (Many industry experts believe that not all DTV stations will be on the air as of the conversion date, but the Congressional act specifically prohibited waivers of the deadline.) If you just bought a set, and if the retailer you bought it from was obeying the letter of the law, you have already been warned about this. The FCC requires that consumers be warned of the 2/17/2009 conversion deadline at the point of purchase. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 19 10:27:24 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <47BAF55C.90901@ttlc.net> The February 09 deadline applies primarily to people using antennae. Cable and satellite users have little or nothing to worry about. And, based on the tone of the ad, I'll bet that Jordan's sales pitch will be unlikely to start with a converter. Since a large number of television viewers use cable, the Feb 2009 deadline affects a lesser segment of the population. The ad did not qualify the statement by saying "if you don't have cable or satellite" and "use an antenna or rabbit ears". Thus, IMO they are sowing the seeds of fear, uncertainty and doubt to a significant number of people "who have nothing to fear but advertising itself" Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's ad >>> > touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you just bought it. He went on to > tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way up to a $1,900 LCD TV. > > While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - "fact tags, plain > truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt to get customers in the door.<< > > There's nothing non-factual or even "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about it, and lots of "plain truth." Unless you have cable or satellite (which face their own deadlines for digital conversion in 2012), analog TV will cease transmissions one year from this past Sunday. That is set in stone (it was an act of Congress, not of the FCC), and the only thing that will pry it loose from that stone is another act of Congress. (Many industry experts believe that not all DTV stations will be on the air as of the conversion date, but the Congressional act specifically prohibited waivers of the deadline.) > > If you just bought a set, and if the retailer you bought it from was obeying the letter of the law, you have already been warned about this. The FCC requires that consumers be warned of the 2/17/2009 conversion deadline at the point of purchase. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF > WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > > > > > > From rogerkola@aol.com Tue Feb 19 10:36:32 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:36:32 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net><60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <47BAF55C.90901@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Are the cable companies going to continue to convert to analog and position digital higher in the "channels" as an extra or are they going to downlink digital and put the analog in the set top converter boxes and make that an "extra"? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Sid Schweiger" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: 6 million may lose digital TV reception > The February 09 deadline applies primarily to people using antennae. > Cable and satellite users have little or nothing to worry about. And, > based on the tone of the ad, I'll bet that Jordan's sales pitch will be > unlikely to start with a converter. Since a large number of television > viewers use cable, the Feb 2009 deadline affects a lesser segment of the > population. > > The ad did not qualify the statement by saying "if you don't have cable > or satellite" and "use an antenna or rabbit ears". Thus, IMO they are > sowing the seeds of fear, uncertainty and doubt to a significant number > of people "who have nothing to fear but advertising itself" > > > > Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>> I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's ad > >>> > > touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you just bought it. He went on to > > tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way up to a $1,900 LCD TV. > > > > While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - "fact tags, plain > > truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt to get customers in the door.<< > > > > There's nothing non-factual or even "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about it, and lots of "plain truth." Unless you have cable or satellite (which face their own deadlines for digital conversion in 2012), analog TV will cease transmissions one year from this past Sunday. That is set in stone (it was an act of Congress, not of the FCC), and the only thing that will pry it loose from that stone is another act of Congress. (Many industry experts believe that not all DTV stations will be on the air as of the conversion date, but the Congressional act specifically prohibited waivers of the deadline.) > > > > If you just bought a set, and if the retailer you bought it from was obeying the letter of the law, you have already been warned about this. The FCC requires that consumers be warned of the 2/17/2009 conversion deadline at the point of purchase. > > > > > > > > Sid Schweiger > > IT Manager, Entercom New England > > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF > > WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > P: 617-779-5369 > > F: 617-779-5379 > > E: sid@wrko.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 19 15:17:09 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:17:09 -0500 Subject: The down and dirty remote... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008801c87334$68698aa0$6400a8c0@lysthia> Good points. As I mentioned in my original post, WMWM's annual operating budget is less than I spend at a Starbucks on a typical year so the other options are nice but out of the question. Once we've paid our music licensing fees, we pretty much broke. (sidenote - Donors gratefully welcomed!) I've used this rig extensively for the past 5 weeks to do my weekly shows from my office studio rather than the stations. I cheat here because I have two separate DSL lines coming into the office. The office itself uses a SDSL line from One Communications. All of my "public" servers are on a separate ADSL line from Verizon. I've created a separate network backbone here at the office and placed the studio computers (ie the "transmitter" and the IceCast server) on that network on the Verizon line. The latency between the "transmitter" and IceCast server is virtually zilch. We get about 10-20 seconds between here and Salem State. The only time that I've had dropouts was during the first week when I was controlling the computer at WMWM remotely via "Go to my PC". I use "Go to my PC" to stop the automation and fire up Winamp. The only thing that I can't override is if the outgoing DJ doesn't pot up the automation computer. As for latency, it appears that IceCast is essentially a FIFO (first in, first out) system. When we did the Beverly/Salem game, we connected to the server 2 hours prior to game time and very little latency. Those folks who connected to "moorestuffonline.com" and picked up the feed on their computer got longer and longer times depending on how late they joined in. We're looking towards eventually streaming the station using a commercial vendor as the actual streamcast server. I was looking at the Barix box for the "STL" link to them. Any experience with this? Professional Cinema, Commercial and Residential AV Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com IM: btvita@hotmail.com www.cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: tel2: fax: 978-538-7575 (800)231-8849 978-538-7550 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Read [mailto:friedbagels@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:02 PM To: brian_vita@cssinc.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: The down and dirty remote... Hey Brian, what you've basically described is the "shoutcast remote". It works reasonably well for pretty much any two computers that have internet access. Dialup will suffice for a lower quality stream but DSL/cablemodem work much better. As you've mentioned, it's chief limitations are that it's one-way audio only due to the delay (which is highly variable depending on what bitrate you're using and your available bandwidth...delays of 60-90 seconds are not uncommon), it's very susceptible to bandwidth interruptions, and it's a real pain in the ass to set up and operate unless you know what you're doing. It's also got a real problem in that it requires access across a firewall...not always easy to do at a remote location...and requires a Shoutcast/Icecast server set up somewhere, which means all the hassles associated with security & maintenance for that. This doesn't mean it can't be done, I have done remotes using systems like this before and they work well enough. And as you say, it's pretty cheap. Personally I prefer something a bit more built for the purpose, like a Barix Instreamer, but those aren't quite easy enough to set up that I'd be comfy using them for one-shot remotes at various locations. I'd also keep an eye on Skype...the quality is only a little better than telephone at the moment...but I've heard rumors that CD-quality peer-to-peer VoIP calls are just around the corner. Here at WEOS, we use a Comrex ACCESS combo that was fiendishly unreliable until we convinced campus IT to reserve a 128kbps channel for us; the kids max out the campus pipe pretty much 24/7 these days. The ACCESS can use WiFi, wired ethernet, POTS, or a 3G Verizon Wireless EVDO internet-over-cellphone to connect across the wild wild internet back to our studios. It's low delay enough to use for conversations, too. It generally works quite well....but it's also quite expensive (high four figures)! The Telos Zephyr/IP has a clever concept where they have set up a series of "relay servers" so that every Zephyr/IP connection is an outgoing one; you never need a static IP and worries about firewalls diminish greatly. Clever stuff. It's also quite pricey, though. Last Friday at a Donna the Buffalo concert we produced and broadcast, some guys from "The Herd" (their fans) brought a camcorder, mic rig, and laptop with a 3G Verizon Wireless AIRcard wireless internet rig and webcast a video of the live show. Pretty slick stuff. It helps that a Verizon tower was literally behind the venue, but still, I was impressed. -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 12:36:12 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:36:12 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? Message-ID: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have an idea on how many repeaters XM is using in the Boston area? I am curious because terrestial service seems poor in Boston compared to the Chicago market. I use one of the portable units and I have noticed it is very hard to get a good signal in the Back Bay and Cambridge at times . However I get a very strong land signal in the Chelmsford area. Also as a general rule what is the expected coverage area of each repeater? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 16:45:41 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:45:41 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02a701c87340$c5d9b6e0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Does anyone have an idea on how many repeaters XM is using in the Boston > area? > > I am curious because terrestial service seems poor in Boston compared > to the Chicago market. I use one of the portable units and I have > noticed it is very hard to get a good signal in the Back Bay and > Cambridge at times . However I get a very strong land signal in the > Chelmsford area. > > Also as a general rule what is the expected coverage area of each > repeater? There's a map of the XM repeater locations in the Boston area in this forum, you may have to copy and paste the whole URL to get it to work: http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=24016&postdays=0&postorder=asc&st art=15&sid=98baf64b330e1b419f04dfa5a22bf54f I'm not sure how accurate it is, or how well they cover. I can sometimes get 1 bar of signal from a repeater here in Hanson. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 16:49:45 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:49:45 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Does anyone have an idea on how many repeaters XM is using in the Boston > area? > > I am curious because terrestial service seems poor in Boston compared > to the Chicago market. I use one of the portable units and I have > noticed it is very hard to get a good signal in the Back Bay and > Cambridge at times . However I get a very strong land signal in the > Chelmsford area. > > Also as a general rule what is the expected coverage area of each > repeater? I should've read more into that thread before posting... the Boston area map on this page is more accurate. The first one was missing one that I know for a fact exists. http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=28080&start=0 Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 17:35:39 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:35:39 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <4fc429770802191435y43091fcax433c2efabb2c3fad@mail.gmail.com> Gary I suspect there is a repeater in Westford along 495 near where the shopping complex is. XM is brutal along route 3 in Billerica. My friend at XM says the word at their DC complex is the merger maybe approved by the end of the month and DC XM staffers are worried that Uncle Mel is going to run most music channels out of NY. Officially they have said nothing but they noticed Sirius has been updating promos and jingles and XM has not. XM is so short on money thay couldn't even afford to pay the Sinatra family the license fee for his name and dropped it on channel 73 a year ago. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 11:58:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:58:33 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <47BAF55C.90901@ttlc.net> <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <4fc429770802190858y408c7ef8ge3f6ee5d5920bd46@mail.gmail.com> Comcast in some headends has already switched to showing the DT signal in the lower analog slots. There is a belief that in the fall Comcast may announce that you must get a new digital set top box and will phase out analog completely. That makes some sense as it would open up some bandwidth for them to add more digital channels. Most of the major cable networks now offer HD service as well. I think the big 'bait and switch' will occur during the 2008 holiday season that stores will imply that you need a HDTV to get service. Most consumers are clueless that all you need is a digital tuner. HDTV is just a bonus for those willing to pay for it. From friedbagels@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:01:58 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:01:58 -0500 Subject: The down and dirty remote... Message-ID: Hey Brian, what you've basically described is the "shoutcast remote". It works reasonably well for pretty much any two computers that have internet access. Dialup will suffice for a lower quality stream but DSL/cablemodem work much better. As you've mentioned, it's chief limitations are that it's one-way audio only due to the delay (which is highly variable depending on what bitrate you're using and your available bandwidth...delays of 60-90 seconds are not uncommon), it's very susceptible to bandwidth interruptions, and it's a real pain in the ass to set up and operate unless you know what you're doing. It's also got a real problem in that it requires access across a firewall...not always easy to do at a remote location...and requires a Shoutcast/Icecast server set up somewhere, which means all the hassles associated with security & maintenance for that. This doesn't mean it can't be done, I have done remotes using systems like this before and they work well enough. And as you say, it's pretty cheap. Personally I prefer something a bit more built for the purpose, like a Barix Instreamer, but those aren't quite easy enough to set up that I'd be comfy using them for one-shot remotes at various locations. I'd also keep an eye on Skype...the quality is only a little better than telephone at the moment...but I've heard rumors that CD-quality peer-to-peer VoIP calls are just around the corner. Here at WEOS, we use a Comrex ACCESS combo that was fiendishly unreliable until we convinced campus IT to reserve a 128kbps channel for us; the kids max out the campus pipe pretty much 24/7 these days. The ACCESS can use WiFi, wired ethernet, POTS, or a 3G Verizon Wireless EVDO internet-over-cellphone to connect across the wild wild internet back to our studios. It's low delay enough to use for conversations, too. It generally works quite well....but it's also quite expensive (high four figures)! The Telos Zephyr/IP has a clever concept where they have set up a series of "relay servers" so that every Zephyr/IP connection is an outgoing one; you never need a static IP and worries about firewalls diminish greatly. Clever stuff. It's also quite pricey, though. Last Friday at a Donna the Buffalo concert we produced and broadcast, some guys from "The Herd" (their fans) brought a camcorder, mic rig, and laptop with a 3G Verizon Wireless AIRcard wireless internet rig and webcast a video of the live show. Pretty slick stuff. It helps that a Verizon tower was literally behind the venue, but still, I was impressed. -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 From BartonT@wirelessconnex.com Tue Feb 19 20:36:41 2008 From: BartonT@wirelessconnex.com (BartonT) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:36:41 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE952.8030107@ttlc.net><60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E02B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <47BAF55C.90901@ttlc.net> <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <47BB8429.4020203@wirelessconnex.com> All Cable system will eventually be all digital. Converting to digital allows the cable companies to reclaim bandwidth that they can then use for additional HD channels and services so they may better compete with satellite. What this will mean is eventually you will be required to have a settop box or cable card TV in order to view your cable service. There will be no analog channels available for your TV's analog tuner via the cable system. Several of the large cable companies are already moving to all digital in some markets and I expect that this trend will continue to grow. Henry Leibowitz Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Are the cable companies going to continue to convert to analog and position > digital higher in the "channels" as an extra or are they going to downlink > digital and put the analog in the set top converter boxes and make that an > "extra"? > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Kirk" > To: "Sid Schweiger" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: 6 million may lose digital TV reception > > > >> The February 09 deadline applies primarily to people using antennae. >> Cable and satellite users have little or nothing to worry about. And, >> based on the tone of the ad, I'll bet that Jordan's sales pitch will be >> unlikely to start with a converter. Since a large number of television >> viewers use cable, the Feb 2009 deadline affects a lesser segment of the >> population. >> >> The ad did not qualify the statement by saying "if you don't have cable >> or satellite" and "use an antenna or rabbit ears". Thus, IMO they are >> sowing the seeds of fear, uncertainty and doubt to a significant number >> of people "who have nothing to fear but advertising itself" >> >> >> >> Sid Schweiger wrote: >> >>>>> I was sort of taken aback yesterday when I heard Elliot do a Jordan's >>>>> > ad > >>> touting this concept. He basically said that one year from today, you >>> > "could" be unable to receive shows on your current television - even if you > just bought it. He went on to > >>> tout Jordan's Furniture's "solutions" - which include models all the way >>> > up to a $1,900 LCD TV. > >>> While what he says is fundamentally true i.e. you "could" be unable..., >>> > to me, this marks a big change in their original advertising paradigm - > "fact tags, plain > >>> truth, easy sell & underprices" to using the age-old Fear, Uncertainty & >>> > Doubt to get customers in the door.<< > >>> There's nothing non-factual or even "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about >>> > it, and lots of "plain truth." Unless you have cable or satellite (which > face their own deadlines for digital conversion in 2012), analog TV will > cease transmissions one year from this past Sunday. That is set in stone > (it was an act of Congress, not of the FCC), and the only thing that will > pry it loose from that stone is another act of Congress. (Many industry > experts believe that not all DTV stations will be on the air as of the > conversion date, but the Congressional act specifically prohibited waivers > of the deadline.) > >>> If you just bought a set, and if the retailer you bought it from was >>> > obeying the letter of the law, you have already been warned about this. The > FCC requires that consumers be warned of the 2/17/2009 conversion deadline > at the point of purchase. > >>> >>> Sid Schweiger >>> IT Manager, Entercom New England >>> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF >>> WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM >>> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor >>> Brighton MA 02135-2040 >>> P: 617-779-5369 >>> F: 617-779-5379 >>> E: sid@wrko.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Feb 19 22:50:56 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:50:56 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate Message-ID: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Westfield, Massachusetts native Don Pardo will be celebrating his 90th birthday this Friday. I remember Don from his days as an announcer on NBC game shows back in the mid '50s. He's been with the network since 1944. Amazing. Hats off to him! A true broadcasting legend. I've always found it a bit odd that Don is very, very seldom seen on Saturday Night Live, and I don't remember ever seeing him much on TV before that, despite the ubiquitousness of his voice. Does anyone know if this is a personal choice on his part? -Doug From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 23:19:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:19:17 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770802192019l5acb1703m63be72cf5a815e53@mail.gmail.com> Don Pardo is the last vestage of the WNBC staff announcer contact that AFTRA had in New York. They would assign an announcer to a studio at 30 Rock and it would be that announcers domain no matter what the show was. Pardo was assigned 8-H when Johnny Olson relocated to LA in 1972. Pardo told friends he planned to retire after this new show assigned to 8-H folded in 1975. The show was SNL. A footnote on the whacky system that NBC had. Bill Wendell was assigned to be the booth announcer in I think 6-B at 30 Rock. He was there for Ernie K, and then forgotten game shows until Letterman arrived. When Letterman moved to CBS he made sure that loyal NBC employees had all benefits transferred. On 2/19/08, Doug Drown wrote: > Westfield, Massachusetts native Don Pardo will be celebrating his 90th > birthday this Friday. I remember Don from his days as an announcer on NBC > game shows back in the mid '50s. He's been with the network since 1944. > Amazing. Hats off to him! A true broadcasting legend. > > I've always found it a bit odd that Don is very, very seldom seen on > Saturday Night Live, and I don't remember ever seeing him much on TV before > that, despite the ubiquitousness of his voice. Does anyone know if this is > a personal choice on his part? > > -Doug > > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 19 23:23:50 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:23:50 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802192019l5acb1703m63be72cf5a815e53@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770802192019l5acb1703m63be72cf5a815e53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BBAB56.7060606@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Bill Wendell was assigned to be the booth announcer in I think 6-B at > 30 Rock. He was there for Ernie K, and then forgotten game shows until > Letterman arrived. When Letterman moved to CBS he made sure that loyal > NBC employees had all benefits transferred. That would have been 6-A, I believe. 6-B is the studio WNBC(TV) uses now for its local newscasts - but before that, it was Carson's studio for most of his New York run before he moved to LA in the seventies. s From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 19 23:57:44 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:57:44 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <47BBAB56.7060606@fybush.com> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770802192019l5acb1703m63be72cf5a815e53@mail.gmail.com> <47BBAB56.7060606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802192057m49bdb915h158869f0d8444809@mail.gmail.com> Scott The old Carson studio is indeed WNBC local news today. What Letterman did accomplished was making sure that longtime NBC employees working his show could transfer to CBS without penalty. Given the wars between IBEW and NABET that was remarkable. for example Biff Henderson is a real stage manager as I worked with him during the 86 series On 2/19/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > Bill Wendell was assigned to be the booth announcer in I think 6-B at > > 30 Rock. He was there for Ernie K, and then forgotten game shows until > > Letterman arrived. When Letterman moved to CBS he made sure that loyal > > NBC employees had all benefits transferred. > > That would have been 6-A, I believe. 6-B is the studio WNBC(TV) uses now > for its local newscasts - but before that, it was Carson's studio for > most of his New York run before he moved to LA in the seventies. > > s > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 20 00:53:30 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:53:30 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802190858y408c7ef8ge3f6ee5d5920bd46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com>, <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray>, <4fc429770802190858y408c7ef8ge3f6ee5d5920bd46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB7A0A.7669.5301A2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Feb 2008 at 11:58, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > There is a belief that in the fall Comcast may announce that you must > get a new digital set top box and will phase out analog completely. > That makes some sense as it would open up some bandwidth for them to > add more digital channels. Most of the major cable networks now offer > HD service as well. They were pushing digital boxes in Brookline several years ago. They kept calling me until I agreed to set up an appointment for a new box. I must say, even using Analog channels, the reception is much improved. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 20 00:53:30 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:53:30 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BB8429.4020203@wirelessconnex.com> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com>, <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray>, <47BB8429.4020203@wirelessconnex.com> Message-ID: <47BB7A0A.5278.530357@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Feb 2008 at 20:36, BartonT wrote: > All Cable system will eventually be all digital. Converting to > digital allows the cable companies to reclaim bandwidth that they can > then use for additional HD channels and services so they may better > compete with satellite. What this will mean is eventually you will be > required to have a settop box or cable card TV in order to view your > cable service. There will be no analog channels available for your > TV's analog tuner via the cable system. > > Several of the large cable companies are already moving to all digital > in some markets and I expect that this trend will continue to grow. For awhile at least, I suspect there may be some competition in the opposite direction, at least where there are competing systems. If Comcast goes all-digital, making everyone's TVs useless, it could be a tremendous opportunity for RCN or Verizon to sign up a lot of customers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Feb 20 00:44:53 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:44:53 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802191435y43091fcax433c2efabb2c3fad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770802191435y43091fcax433c2efabb2c3fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BBBE55.5080701@gabrielmass.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > XM is so short on money thay > couldn't even afford to pay the Sinatra family the license fee for his > name and dropped it on channel 73 a year ago. Fwiw, Sirius has picked up the tab has rebranded its standards channel (75) with the Sinatra name. --RC From stuff@struff.com Wed Feb 20 06:27:48 2008 From: stuff@struff.com (David Struffolino) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:27:48 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? Message-ID: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: kvahey@comcast.net > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" < > boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:36:12 -0500 > Subject: XM repeater locations? > Does anyone have an idea on how many repeaters XM is using in the Boston > area? > > I am curious because terrestial service seems poor in Boston compared > to the Chicago market. I use one of the portable units and I have > noticed it is very hard to get a good signal in the Back Bay and > Cambridge at times . However I get a very strong land signal in the > Chelmsford area. > I have had great coverage in downtown Boston and Cambridge for the most part. I believe there were some problems a week or two ago though, because my Inno was having hard time inside my office in Gov't Center. But it's back to normal now. From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Feb 20 06:36:15 2008 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:36:15 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BB7A0A.5278.530357@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802110920y7d1bc752o5d1a51407296dfa0@mail.gmail.com>, <004c01c8730d$34564fe0$0200a8c0@Tanguray>, <47BB8429.4020203@wirelessconnex.com> <47BB7A0A.5278.530357@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <008101c873b4$cdc00480$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Cable companies going "all digital" does not affect this at all. The boxes still have an analog modulator so they will still work with an analog TV. What they are referring to is the box will no longer have analog channels meaning more capacity and more HD channel bandwidth. Comcast is one company that locally has always been giving you the HD channels on your analog sets. They could shut off the analogs today and their customers would not see a difference whether they had a digital or analog TV. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:54 AM To: BartonT Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Re: 6 million may lose digital TV reception On 19 Feb 2008 at 20:36, BartonT wrote: > All Cable system will eventually be all digital. Converting to > digital allows the cable companies to reclaim bandwidth that they can > then use for additional HD channels and services so they may better > compete with satellite. What this will mean is eventually you will be > required to have a settop box or cable card TV in order to view your > cable service. There will be no analog channels available for your > TV's analog tuner via the cable system. > > Several of the large cable companies are already moving to all digital > in some markets and I expect that this trend will continue to grow. For awhile at least, I suspect there may be some competition in the opposite direction, at least where there are competing systems. If Comcast goes all-digital, making everyone's TVs useless, it could be a tremendous opportunity for RCN or Verizon to sign up a lot of customers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 07:57:40 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:57:40 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> Doug Drown wrote: > I've always found it a bit odd that Don is very, very seldom seen on > Saturday Night Live, and I don't remember ever seeing him much on TV before > that, despite the ubiquitousness of his voice. Does anyone know if this is > a personal choice on his part? "Booth" needs nothing superfluous or tacky like television. He's likely old-school and proud of it. Happy Birthday, Mr. Pardo. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 08:38:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:38:37 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802200538q37ed289qaf17a51df742ec10@mail.gmail.com> Pardo became the senior booth announcer at NBC when Johnny Olson fled to Los Angeles in the 70's to keep working. One other voice from that era is stil active as Johnny Gilbert continues to work on Jeopardy. Gilbert also relocated to LA the same time Olson did. Gilbert actually hosted The Price Is Right at NBC for a short period when Bill Cullen became ill. On 2/20/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Doug Drown wrote: > > I've always found it a bit odd that Don is very, very seldom seen on > > Saturday Night Live, and I don't remember ever seeing him much on TV > before > > that, despite the ubiquitousness of his voice. Does anyone know if this > is > > a personal choice on his part? > > "Booth" needs nothing superfluous or tacky like television. He's likely > old-school and proud of it. > > Happy Birthday, Mr. Pardo. > > Bill O'Neill > From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Feb 20 09:19:46 2008 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:19:46 -0500 Subject: Jess Cain retrospective Message-ID: <47BC3702.3050601@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> For those interested. I heard that Loren & Wally will be doing a special edition of their Saturday morning show this week in memory of Jess Cain from 7-10 am on WROR. In addition to Tom Doyle, newsman Nick Mills, and producer Pudge Flynn will be there. The only one missing is Officer Bill Connell, who passed away several years ago. Tom said that Pudge Flynn has apile of stuff that he will be bringing in. -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 08:04:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:04:54 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> I wasn't aware Sirius had picked up the Sinatra name. I guess that is just another clue on what the post-merger system will sound like. I chose XM primarily because of baseball coverage and also because they offered a true portable option. However I have noticed that Sirius appears to have a more polished sound on certain music channels. For example the XM 60's channel sounds exactly the same as it did 3 years ago while Sirius has evolved ever so slightly. Bruce Morrow was a huge pickup for Sirius while XM just continues to run old Wolfman Jack shows. Still both services offer me far more enjoyable options than traditional radio. Both 60's channels play obscure songs that haven't been heard in 40 years on a regular basis. From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 20 10:59:23 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:59:23 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E093C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I wasn't aware Sirius had picked up the Sinatra name. I guess that is just another clue on what the post-merger system will sound like<< One has nothing to do with the other. The use of Frank Sinatra's name is licensed by his estate. XM didn't want to pay the fee. Sirius did. That's all there is to it. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:41:47 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:41:47 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BC584B.5030900@gmail.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Both 60's channels play obscure songs that haven't > been heard in 40 years on a regular basis. > Sirius channel 53 'Soultown' is another one of those signals for me. One can never get enough Isley Bros. when stuck in traffic. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 11:57:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:57:20 -0500 Subject: Jess Cain retrospective In-Reply-To: <47BC3702.3050601@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <47BC3702.3050601@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802200857r5beb821euffde4ada447c1512@mail.gmail.com> The WROR website is also asking for listeners to call in If you would like to take part in this tribute please call 617-822-6443 and record a message dedicated to the memory of Jess Cain. http://www.wror.com/ This is a classy move by Loren and Wally. On 2/20/08, Tony Abruzzese wrote: > For those interested. > > I heard that Loren & Wally will be doing a special edition of their > Saturday morning show this week in memory of Jess Cain from 7-10 am on WROR. > > In addition to Tom Doyle, newsman Nick Mills, and producer Pudge Flynn > will be there. The only one missing is Officer Bill Connell, who passed > away several years ago. Tom said that Pudge Flynn has apile of stuff > that he will be bringing in. > > -- > Tony Abruzzese > BUSM Dept of Biochemistry > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 12:28:58 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: XM repeater locations? Message-ID: <768858.29913.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I had Sirius on a rental car this past summer. I got hooked on the Elvis channel, as well as old time radio. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill O'Neill To: kvahey@comcast.net Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: XM repeater locations? kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Both 60's channels play obscure songs that haven't > been heard in 40 years on a regular basis. > Sirius channel 53 'Soultown' is another one of those signals for me. One can never get enough Isley Bros. when stuck in traffic. Bill O'Neill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 11:23:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:18 -0500 Subject: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 Message-ID: <4fc429770802200823y516f1f0en37d2905d2050f2d4@mail.gmail.com> Talkers Magazine has once again ranked who they consider the Top 100 talk show hosts in the US. All the usual windbags are listed. I find how they rank the Boston market shows of interest They rank Howie Carr at 51, Jay Severin at 53, Glenn Ordway at 91 and Dan Yorke at 93. I am a little suprised at where Ordway is ranked given his ratings and how much revenue he brings in to Entercom. http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=44 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 15:41:41 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:41:41 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <008101c873b4$cdc00480$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <031b01c87401$00ecb000$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Cable companies going "all digital" does not affect this at all. The boxes > still have an analog modulator so they will still work with an analog TV. > What they are referring to is the box will no longer have analog channels > meaning more capacity and more HD channel bandwidth. Comcast is one > company > that locally has always been giving you the HD channels on your analog > sets. > They could shut off the analogs today and their customers would not see a > difference whether they had a digital or analog TV. A lot of people pay for cable, but not digital cable, with the digital box. I have several "cable ready" TVs, which would be useless if Comcast went all digital, unless I chose to pay extra and get more boxes. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Feb 20 16:14:46 2008 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception Message-ID: <24521573.1203542087173.JavaMail.root@whwamui-deputy.pas.sa.earthlink.net> Well that may be but it doesnt change the issue that Comcast has already changed over the folks with analog TVs to watching the digital channels. What your talking about is a whole other issue. The thing is on there end they don't have room for everything. Something has to give. They don't have enough room to tie up space repeating channels in Analog and still have enough room to keep adding HD channels. They can keep compressing the Low Quality digital channels but to keep adding HD channels which I think people want something has to give. I'm sure they will end up having to giving some poor folks and elderly cable boxes but I'm not sure you fit that scenario. I'm just glad they keep adding HD channels! -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Lehmann >Sent: Feb 20, 2008 12:41 PM >To: 'John Mullaney' , "'A. Joseph Ross'" , 'BartonT' >Cc: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: RE: Re: 6 million may lose digital TV reception > >> Cable companies going "all digital" does not affect this at all. The boxes >> still have an analog modulator so they will still work with an analog TV. >> What they are referring to is the box will no longer have analog channels >> meaning more capacity and more HD channel bandwidth. Comcast is one >> company >> that locally has always been giving you the HD channels on your analog >> sets. >> They could shut off the analogs today and their customers would not see a >> difference whether they had a digital or analog TV. > >A lot of people pay for cable, but not digital cable, with the digital box. >I have several "cable ready" TVs, which would be useless if Comcast went all >digital, unless I chose to pay extra and get more boxes. > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA > John Mullaney w781-259-9200 c617-285-8743 Minuteman Communications http://www.minutemancomm.com 11B Lewis Street Lincoln, MA 01773 From mike@miscon.net Wed Feb 20 16:18:39 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:18:39 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: Engineers on horseback In-Reply-To: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E093C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770802190936t55c414f5je8984641fe73d609@mail.gmail.com> <02a801c87341$572b1990$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770802200504v319f1439h74806965f48cd882@mail.gmail.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB9E093C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.240.120.1203542319.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but thought it interesting: Wyoming Public Radio Turns To Horses To Fix Thermopolis Transmitter http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/wpr/New%20Website/Horses%20to%20fix%20Thermopolis.html From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 16:35:57 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:35:57 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <031b01c87401$00ecb000$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <031b01c87401$00ecb000$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> Jeff Lehmann wrote: > A lot of people pay for cable, but not digital cable, with the digital > box. > I have several "cable ready" TVs, which would be useless if Comcast went all > digital, unless I chose to pay extra and get more boxes. > > Should I assume that a cable-ready TV, no "cable box," currently receiving low end service from Comcast, will need the upgrade box? Or will the customer be required to get the digital cable box from Comcast? Bill O'Neill (Happily, a Dish Network customer) // From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 20 16:40:48 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:40:48 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Should I assume that a cable-ready TV, no "cable box," currently receiving low end service from Comcast, will need the upgrade box? > Or will the customer be required to get the digital cable box from Comcast? I've heard that Comcast has no plans yet to totally eliminate analog cable service. They have moved a couple, less popular channels, from analog over to digital only. I think this was to gain more bandwidth for HD channels. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Feb 20 13:47:16 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:47:16 -0500 Subject: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802200823y516f1f0en37d2905d2050f2d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802200823y516f1f0en37d2905d2050f2d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C43CD1B-3A28-4AAB-81D6-297C66A45932@charter.net> It's not really all that surprising. Talkers is skewed to a very conservative audience, and issue oriented talk is what they deal with primarily. Sports talk personalities got the short straw on this list, along with progressive talkers. Many mid and lower level conservative talkers rated higher than the highest sports talker, Mike and the Mad Dog. I mean, Mancow and Mark Levin in the top 15? Really? And Opie & Anthony #17, despite losing just about all their major affiliates in the last year? That's ridiculous. In many markets, sports talk stations have much higher power ratios and make more money than their traditional talk counterparts. Sports personalities like Ordway and Mike & Mike should have placed much higher on that list, as sports seems to be the trend in talk radio in general. Ordway beats Carr regularly in both ratings and revenue, and if you think Carr and Dennis & Callahan fetched big bucks when their contracts came up for renewal, just wait for the payday the Big O is going to get when his deal ends later this year. While I detest D&C, they should have made this list. Sure they talk sports, but they also spew plenty of the right wing hate Talkers seems to find so endearing. They are much more "influential" than some two-bit local conservatalker in a medium market. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Talkers Magazine has once again ranked who they consider the Top 100 > talk show hosts in the US. All the usual windbags are listed. > > I find how they rank the Boston market shows of interest > > They rank Howie Carr at 51, Jay Severin at 53, Glenn Ordway at 91 and > Dan Yorke at 93. > > I am a little suprised at where Ordway is ranked given his ratings and > how much revenue he brings in to Entercom. > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 20 18:01:20 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:20 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've heard that Comcast has no plans yet to totally eliminate analog cable > service. They have moved a couple, less popular channels, from analog over > to digital only. I think this was to gain more bandwidth for HD channels. One that particularly frosted me was C-SPAN2. (And no, Brian Lamb, you can't blame must-carry for that one.) I'm holding off on buying a new TV until I can get one with CableCARD support for a reasonable amount of money. Boxes are evil (and Comcast's digital box is particularly so). -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Feb 20 18:09:57 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:09:57 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Boxes are evil (and Comcast's digital box is particularly so). > Evil? Mine has never spewed green goddess salad dressing, twisted its head 360 degrees or even dampened the rug. How so? Perhaps a couple of details? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 20 18:15:06 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:15:06 -0500 Subject: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 References: <4fc429770802200823y516f1f0en37d2905d2050f2d4@mail.gmail.com> <1C43CD1B-3A28-4AAB-81D6-297C66A45932@charter.net> Message-ID: <001401c87416$70a679c0$04eda644@SatU205S5044> NPR got shafted even worse! Maybe Terri Gross didn't make the list at all (I didn't see her even below the top 100) because she doesn't take phonecalls on the air. Diane Rehm (not heard in Boston, AFAIK) was on the list however. And CarTalk was the very last program on the entire list of 250. Is that because CarTalk is on for only one hour a week? I bet that CarTalk gets more listeners and a higher cumulative TSL than quite a few of the programs within the top 100. It's an extremely popular show and raises a big part of the money that listeners donate each year to NPR affiliates. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 > It's not really all that surprising. Talkers is skewed to a very > conservative audience, and issue oriented talk is what they deal > with primarily. Sports talk personalities got the short straw on > this list, along with progressive talkers. Many mid and lower > level conservative talkers rated higher than the highest sports > talker, Mike and the Mad Dog. I mean, Mancow and Mark Levin in the > top 15? Really? And Opie & Anthony #17, despite losing just about > all their major affiliates in the last year? That's ridiculous. > In many markets, sports talk stations have much higher power ratios > and make more money than their traditional talk counterparts. > Sports personalities like Ordway and Mike & Mike should have placed > much higher on that list, as sports seems to be the trend in talk > radio in general. Ordway beats Carr regularly in both ratings and > revenue, and if you think Carr and Dennis & Callahan fetched big > bucks when their contracts came up for renewal, just wait for the > payday the Big O is going to get when his deal ends later this > year. While I detest D&C, they should have made this list. Sure > they talk sports, but they also spew plenty of the right wing hate > Talkers seems to find so endearing. They are much more > "influential" than some two-bit local conservatalker in a medium > market. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Talkers Magazine has once again ranked who they consider the Top >> 100 >> talk show hosts in the US. All the usual windbags are listed. >> >> I find how they rank the Boston market shows of interest >> >> They rank Howie Carr at 51, Jay Severin at 53, Glenn Ordway at 91 >> and >> Dan Yorke at 93. >> >> I am a little suprised at where Ordway is ranked given his ratings >> and >> how much revenue he brings in to Entercom. >> From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 20 21:30:03 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:30:03 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18364.57899.635902.696613@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Boxes are evil (and Comcast's digital box is particularly so). >> > Evil? > Mine has never spewed green goddess salad dressing, twisted its head 360 > degrees or even dampened the rug. > How so? Perhaps a couple of details? Cable boxes are about as evil as you can get in the entertainment industry. Suppose you go out and spend a few bucks on a nice new TV. New TVs (and other devices with tuners in them like DVRs) have a whole host of consumer-friendly features, which give you a great deal of control over your viewing experience. Most importantly, every TV made in the past two decades has allowed users to program out the fifty to seventy-five channels their cable system delivers to them that they have absolutely no use for. Cableco, of course, doesn't want that, and makes it practically impossible. (Comcast, for example, provides a "favorites" function on their digital boxes, but it only allows channel surfing *in one direction*, doesn't limit what is shown in the program guide, and requires locating a small button on the remote.) They certainly don't want you using your own DVR when they can rent you one instead. If you have more than one tuner -- like the one or sometimes even two in your DVR, for example -- add an extra box (with associated rental fee) for each one. The cable box is cableco's primary means of controlling what their customers watch. Even Congress recognized this (they probably had some help from the Consumer Electronics Association), and in the Cable Act of 1992 required the FCC to consult with the cable and electronics industries and then promulgate a standard interface for a "point-of-deployment" descrambling device which would integrate directly with consumer electronics, and which cablecos would be required to provide to their customers at no additional charge. Since the U.S. couldn't possibly use a pre-existing design that was already proven and working in Europe (DVB-CI), it took the FCC a decade to implement this rule. High-end TVs began supporting the U.S. standard, CableCARD, in 2004, with most manufacturers offering the interface in all but the cheapest digital TVs in the 2006 model year. TiVo included CableCARD slots in its DTV-capable PVRs. Then, suddenly, the CableCARD interface was dropped by most manufacturers for the 2007 model year; this is apparently the result of a dispute between the electronics and cable industries over adding support for two-way cable services like pay-per-view. (In short: the cable companies want complete control over the "user experience" for these services, whereas the electronics companies want to allow their customers to choose how much extra they want to spend for the "ability" to let cableco control how they watch PPV movies.) I had placed an order for a refurbished 2006 TV with CableCARD support late last year, but the seller was unable to keep track of their stock and eventually decided that they didn't have any. You can perhaps tell how much trust I have in the good faith of the cable oligopoly. -GAWollman From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 17:13:35 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:13:35 -0500 Subject: XM repeater locations? Message-ID: <47BCA60F.1080703@gmail.com> The question is, what ERP are those repeaters operating at? Both Sirius and XM have played it VERY fast and loose with the number of repeaters and the power the repeaters broadcast at...often significantly exceeding their licensed ERP (sometimes by an extra decimal point). Supposedly the practice has been throttled back after the NAB found out and started screaming about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes the power slowly creeps up again. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM friedbagels@gmail.com | Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 | (315) 521-0569 cell From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Feb 20 22:22:10 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:22:10 -0500 Subject: John Bachelor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802210322.m1L3MLuW039092@tsornin.bostonradio.org> > > >I guess John is back on Sunday PM on ABC. IMHO he is the best of all >talk hosts, along with Matt Drudge. I am thrilled Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 18:30:41 2008 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:30:41 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <647737520802201530i6e0d4169n50b7a42bb559a900@mail.gmail.com> I have the Comcast HD DVR box and I must say that even though it has quirks it is pretty great. I never watch shows in realtime anymore. I use the 30 second skip on my logitech remote to bypass commercials. I get 12-15 of my life back for each hour of TV. I also use the On demand feature quite a bit, something you don't get with cablecard. -Ken On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Boxes are evil (and Comcast's digital box is particularly so). > > > Evil? > > Mine has never spewed green goddess salad dressing, twisted its head 360 > degrees or even dampened the rug. > > How so? Perhaps a couple of details? > > > > > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Feb 21 00:41:39 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:41:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 Message-ID: <19288592.1203572499438.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:15:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 > > NPR got shafted even worse! Maybe Terri Gross didn't make > the list at all (I didn't see her even below the top 100) > because she doesn't take phonecalls on the air. Diane Rehm > (not heard in Boston, AFAIK) was on the list however. The Diane Rehm Show airs weeknights at 10 PM on WBUR. EP From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 21 01:55:13 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:55:13 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>, <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Feb 2008 at 18:01, Garrett Wollman wrote: > One that particularly frosted me was C-SPAN2. (And no, Brian Lamb, > you can't blame must-carry for that one.) In Brookline, C-SPAN 2 is available on channel 242, and it can be viewed on my analog sets. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 06:41:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:41:59 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> However Joe to get channel 242 you must have a digital converter. Comcast has angered many in the Chicago burbs by moving local access channels to higher channel numbers. Expect the same here sooner or later. On 2/21/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 20 Feb 2008 at 18:01, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > One that particularly frosted me was C-SPAN2. (And no, Brian Lamb, > > you can't blame must-carry for that one.) > > In Brookline, C-SPAN 2 is available on channel 242, and it can be > viewed on my analog sets. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 08:31:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:31:33 -0500 Subject: Sara Underwood bounced from Channel 4 Message-ID: <4fc429770802210531g3ce4928el8127063186931f0a@mail.gmail.com> Sara Underwood is out after 8 years at WBZ/WSBK. She has been anchoring the 5:30 on channel 4 and 9PM on 38. No annoucement on who will replace her after March 4th. Underwood is married to Mike Felger of WAMG. Meanwhile at WCVB Bianca de la Garza become the new anchor of the Eyeopener. She will be up against her husband (David Wade) who does mornings at channel 4. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 08:49:51 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:49:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anchor changes at WBZ and WCVB Message-ID: <919606.97953.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1074966 WBZ isn't renewing Sara Underwood's contract and WCVB has realigned their anchor situation. Bianca de la Garza will be on mornings opposite her husband, David Wade on WBZ and the other changes fall in line with the Sunday-Thursday rotations most stations are doing now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 11:00:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:00:26 -0500 Subject: FCC internet hearing in Cambridge 2/25 Message-ID: <4fc429770802210800g46e967a5h532522d39c80106e@mail.gmail.com> FCC will hold a hearing next Monday at Harvard Law School to get input on 'Broadband Network Management Practices' http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-280373A1.doc From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 21 12:05:16 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:16 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18365.44876.891774.716933@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Comcast has angered many in the Chicago burbs by moving local access > channels to higher channel numbers. Expect the same here sooner or > later. You mean people actually notice?! I've always had the PEG channels programmed out, so I wouldn't notice if they were replaced by Animal Planet multicasts. -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 21 14:17:03 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:17:03 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Feb 2008 kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > However Joe to get channel 242 you must have a digital converter. I don't. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:22:31 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:22:31 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <031f01c87409$424b2dd0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <18364.45376.650109.666026@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47BCB345.5070806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47BDEB97.6030600@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Boxes are evil (and Comcast's digital box is particularly so). >> > Evil? > > Mine has never spewed green goddess salad dressing, twisted its head > 360 degrees or even dampened the rug. > > How so? Perhaps a couple of details? Mother, mother, make it stop! Couldn't resist. Linda Blair at her best. Bill O'Neill From friedbagels@gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:28:14 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:28:14 -0500 Subject: Talkers Magazine Heavy 100 (NPR) Message-ID: <47BDECEE.90807@gmail.com> Diane Rehm airs on WBUR at 10pm weeknights (just one hour). It's a deal they have with WAMU, who in turn airs OnPoint at 9pm Mon-Thu. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM friedbagels@gmail.com | Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting Rochester, NY 14618 | (315) 521-0569 cell NPR got shafted even worse! Maybe Terri Gross didn't make the list at all (I didn't see her even below the top 100) because she doesn't take phonecalls on the air. Diane Rehm (not heard in Boston, AFAIK) was on the list however. And CarTalk was the very last program on the entire list of 250. Is that because CarTalk is on for only one hour a week? I bet that CarTalk gets more listeners and a higher cumulative TSL than quite a few of the programs within the top 100. It's an extremely popular show and raises a big part of the money that listeners donate each year to NPR affiliates. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 21 18:18:00 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:18:00 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BDC058.16906.5F35E2D@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Feb 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote: > Then how are you getting 242? Analog boxes only go to 99 and most > sets 125 I have a digital cable box. I thought you were referring to the digital converters that will be necessary to get off-the-air signals next year. Comcast nagged me until I made an appointment for them to install a digital box. It didn't change my bill any. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 15:49:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:49:24 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> Looking at Brookline service. You most likely have 'Digital Classic' service as that is the first tier that shows CSPAN3 Even with basic...Comcast in Brookline gives you a digital box as they give the extra WGBH channels coming from WGBH-DT Chances are your box at home is one of these http://broadband.motorola.com/business/digitalvideo/productline_digitalCable_settops.asp > > > On 2/21/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 21 Feb 2008 kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > However Joe to get channel 242 you must have a digital converter. > > From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 21 18:51:15 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:51:15 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Feb 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote: > Looking at Brookline service. You most likely have 'Digital Classic' > service as that is the first tier that shows CSPAN3 I don't think I have C-SPAN 3. > Even with basic...Comcast in Brookline gives you a digital box as they > give the extra WGBH channels coming from WGBH-DT Right. That's why they nagged me so much to change it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 21 18:59:00 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:59:00 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I don't think I have C-SPAN 3. > > Three? C-SPAN Three? Let's face it, if you're on C-SPAN Three you can only hope against hope that one day, somehow, you will be beckoned by Brian Lamb to polish the cuff links and step up to numero dos. I was recently invited onto C-SPAN 11. Sunday morning around 3:23 a.m. Five minutes, no waiting. Don't get up. Try the veal. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 18:45:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:45:59 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BDC058.16906.5F35E2D@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> <47BDC058.16906.5F35E2D@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802211545m298b3c34r597cf461cc27a7f6@mail.gmail.com> It just shows the general confusion over this. I can almost guarantee that some consumers will buy the new converter thinking they have to when their cable box will do it for them. About a month ago Comcast announced another scheme to connect TV to the cable. I am not sure if this is a variation of CableCard or yet another format. Comcast did say they want to eliminate the box completely. The Motorola boxes are their biggest problem systemwide as they fail at an alarming rate. I have the Tivo Comcast interface and it was comical at how much manpower was used to set it up. They had to send someone to the house to switch my HD box DVR from the 6000 series to the 3000 and then download the Tivo GUI. It took 2 hours. On 2/21/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 21 Feb 2008 Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Then how are you getting 242? Analog boxes only go to 99 and most > > sets 125 > > I have a digital cable box. I thought you were referring to the > digital converters that will be necessary to get off-the-air signals > next year. > > Comcast nagged me until I made an appointment for them to install a > digital box. It didn't change my bill any. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Feb 21 19:16:56 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:16:56 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c874e8$63f4c740$0201a8c0@Family> Bill O wrote: > (snip) I was recently invited onto C-SPAN 11. Sunday morning around 3:23 > a.m. Five minutes, no waiting. Don't get up. Try the veal. > I LOVE the ONZE-OH (as we call it here...) - the other day, there were these two Interior Department assistant under-secretaries who tried to lobby two young and impressionable Congressional pages... oh, wait. That was Ryan's Hope. I'll set up my TiVo - or DVR - or maybe that trusty BetaMax recorder. 3:23am. Sunday. If I miss it, can somebody here aircheck that for me? --Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 19:31:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:31:18 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <000d01c874e8$63f4c740$0201a8c0@Family> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> <000d01c874e8$63f4c740$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <4fc429770802211631r7aebd944i259e0aa721665397@mail.gmail.com> I miss the gravy train days when the Commonwealth paid an obscene amount of money to WGBH to broadcast the Great and General Court on channel 44. That kept the freelancers in town well fed. Then Billy Bulger wanted the same coverage for the Senate. To this day I don't know who if anybody picked up the second feed. Does Gavel to Gavel exist in any form today? From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 15:09:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <47BCDA01.7851.83D2B4@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802210341w10bba593ia42980d0990a731d@mail.gmail.com> <47BD87DF.9267.516C287@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> Then how are you getting 242? Analog boxes only go to 99 and most sets 125 On 2/21/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 21 Feb 2008 kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > However Joe to get channel 242 you must have a digital converter. > > I don't. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 21 19:14:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <4fc429770802211209xa2802b0q5992017656fe77f8@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802211249t47e07719i8359b2c0b195acbd@mail.gmail.com> <47BDC823.6132.611CD12@Joe.attorneyross.com> <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> CSPAN-3 runs a lot of filler. They have been doing a lot on Black History Month this week. Meanwhile on Cambridge access there is a guy giving tuba lessons. Newton Minnow was right all along. On 2/21/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > I don't think I have C-SPAN 3. > > > > > Three? C-SPAN Three? Let's face it, if you're on C-SPAN Three you can > only hope against hope that one day, somehow, you will be beckoned by > Brian Lamb to polish the cuff links and step up to numero dos. I was > recently invited onto C-SPAN 11. Sunday morning around 3:23 a.m. Five > minutes, no waiting. Don't get up. Try the veal. > > Bill O'Neill > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 22 00:36:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:36:55 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Feb 2008 at 19:14, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > CSPAN-3 runs a lot of filler. They have been doing a lot on Black > History Month this week. I'm not even sure what the rationale is for C-SPAN 3. The House of Representatives is on C-SPAN 1, the Senate is on C-SPAN 2. Unless we create a third house of Congress, C-SPAN 3 doesn't make any sense. The other two C-SPAN channels alreay have plenty of time filled up with Book TV, the British House of Commons, the Canadian Senate, and the dullest talk shows this side of Tom Finneran. Why C-SPAN 3? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 01:00:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:00:10 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802212200k64211a88v8a5945580ea661ff@mail.gmail.com> I guess it gives them the option of showing other things live when both the House and Senate are in session. I suppose in theory they could show a FCC hearing if they wanted to. On 2/22/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 21 Feb 2008 at 19:14, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > CSPAN-3 runs a lot of filler. They have been doing a lot on Black > > History Month this week. > > I'm not even sure what the rationale is for C-SPAN 3. The House of > Representatives is on C-SPAN 1, the Senate is on C-SPAN 2. Unless we > create a third house of Congress, C-SPAN 3 doesn't make any sense. > The other two C-SPAN channels alreay have plenty of time filled up > with Book TV, the British House of Commons, the Canadian Senate, and > the dullest talk shows this side of Tom Finneran. Why C-SPAN 3? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Feb 22 00:55:44 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:55:44 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com>, <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com>, <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47BE63E0.9020109@gabrielmass.com> On 02/22/2008 12:36 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Why C-SPAN 3? > Committee hearings. Speaking of C-SPAN, it's too bad Sirius dropped C-SPAN radio. It was boring hearing all those old LBJ tapes in the evenings, but the daytime coverage was worthwhile. --RC From radio88@radio88.net Fri Feb 22 07:32:54 2008 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:32:54 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: This isn't strictly Boston radio-related, but since we've all flubbed on-air (well, at least I have -- such as the "mixture of slouds and clun"), I thought I'd relate the story. Last night I was on "infinite hold" waiting for H-P service to pick up. There was a woman's voice doing promotional announcements, that played over and over. One of the announcements required saying an HP Web site, with a very long URL. In mid-URL, she flubbed, and cleared her throat, then picked it up at the beginning of the URL. I heard this at least ten times while on hold! (And after finally talking to Manila for two hours, I have a new printhead coming for my printer. I thought about telling the agent about the voiceover flub, but figured that since he had a hard enough time understanding that my printer's printhead failed, it would be to no avail...) -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, E38-400 292 Main Street, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net http://www.radioweather.net From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Feb 22 09:21:11 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:21:11 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BEDA57.5080207@cssinc.com> Todd Glickman wrote: > This isn't strictly Boston radio-related, but since we've all flubbed > on-air (well, at least I have -- such as the "mixture of slouds and > clun"), I thought I'd relate the story. Well, there was the day that I was thinking about new music and smooth jazz. I announced that there would be more smooth Jews after the break.... Brian From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 22 05:57:34 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:57:34 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <18365.44876.891774.716933@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00b401c87541$bbb144a0$2bc33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> HEY! As someone that was frequently seen on our local PEG channel, I resent that! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH (Town Councilor 1996-2005) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:05 PM To: kvahey@comcast.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: 6 million may lose digital TV reception < Comcast has angered many in the Chicago burbs by moving local access > channels to higher channel numbers. Expect the same here sooner or > later. You mean people actually notice?! I've always had the PEG channels programmed out, so I wouldn't notice if they were replaced by Animal Planet multicasts. -GAWollman From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Feb 22 10:30:27 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:30:27 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception References: <00b401c87541$bbb144a0$2bc33e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000601c87567$dad12500$0201a8c0@Family> Paul wrote of Garrett's tuning out of local access.... > HEY! As someone that was frequently seen on our local PEG channel, I > resent > that! > > > and as a budding sports videographer, i'll take umbrage, too. the mighty South Portland Red Riots have provided some fine (if quite jiggly) hockey moments on SPEAC-TV 3 here in South Portland. Although as the season has gone on, my camera work has improved - much to the agreement of the easily-moved-to-motion-sickness residents of beautiful SP by the Sea. Where's Kevin Vahey when I need him? We have a playoff game today at 4pm in Bridgton if he wants to come shoot the game for me. Go Red Riots! --Chuck Igo (the little - and ONLY - freshman goalie's dad) From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 22 10:38:37 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:38:37 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Well, there was the day that I was thinking about new music and smooth jazz. I announced that there would be more smooth Jews after the break.... Ah--that sounds like a spoonerism, mixing up sounds of one word with another. There was a Reverend Spooner who would accidentally say things like "May I sew you to another sheet" and "Our queer old Dean" instead of "May I show you to another seat" and "Our dear old Queen". The Capitol Steps do a whole routine every show called Lirty Dies and Scicious Vandals, in which spoonerisms are played for laughs. At one point, they point out-- in straight talk--that Brad Pitt's daughter is named Shiloh Pitt and ask the audience to do the spoonerism in their minds... From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 22 11:43:47 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:43:47 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47BEFBC3.7010305@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Brad Pitt's daughter is named > Shiloh Pitt and ask the audience to do the spoonerism > in their minds... Mords wixing is a fartworm. Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 22 11:17:09 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:17:09 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802212200k64211a88v8a5945580ea661ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BC9D3D.2090606@gmail.com> <47BE1044.3090402@gmail.com> <4fc429770802211614p3b927fe0x87691a7aec63d43c@mail.gmail.com> <47BE1927.7102.433E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802212200k64211a88v8a5945580ea661ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BEF585.6030701@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I guess it gives them the option of showing other things live when > both the House and Senate are in session. > > I suppose in theory they could show a FCC hearing if they wanted to. Not just theory - they have in fact done so (though they'll put the big FCC public meetings on C-SPAN or C-SPAN 2 if there's nothing to bump them!) s From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 22 12:55:26 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:55:26 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18367.3214.990799.67393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This isn't strictly Boston radio-related, but since we've all flubbed > on-air (well, at least I have -- such as the "mixture of slouds and > clun"), I thought I'd relate the story. Of course, sometimes it's the copy that's wrong and not the talent. There's a Medtronic funder running on WBUR now that was clearly written by someone[1] who didn't understand the difference between a slash (that's "/") and a backslash ("\"). I've heard at least two different people read this funder, and I have to believe that they wouldn't both have gotten it wrong, so the inevitable conclusion is that the script has it wrong. -GAWollman [1] Only a Windows user would make this mistake. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 22 13:51:20 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:51:20 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <47BEDA57.5080207@cssinc.com> References: <47BEDA57.5080207@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <20080222185125.BF1811EBAF0@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:21 AM 2/22/2008, Brian Vita wrote: >Todd Glickman wrote: >>This isn't strictly Boston radio-related, but since we've all >>flubbed on-air (well, at least I have -- such as the "mixture of >>slouds and clun"), I thought I'd relate the story. >Well, there was the day that I was thinking about new music and >smooth jazz. I announced that there would be more smooth Jews after >the break.... And this isn't exactly a flub but I found it amusing. The other night, I was flipping back and forth between CNN and MSNBC watching the Wisconsin election results. On CNN, Obama was giving a speach when suddenly I heard crosstalk. My husband paused it and played it back and I understood it immediately-- it was two guys in the CNN newsroom chatting, not realising their mike was open: "Did you hear about John King?" "Yeah, he's becoming Jewish." True-- their Washington correspondent John King is marrying fellow correspondent Dana Bash and King is converting, but hey, I certainly doubt he'd wanna be the topic of conversation during an Obama speech! Rule number one-- any mike could be a live mike! From mike@miscon.net Fri Feb 22 16:04:20 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:04:20 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <18367.3214.990799.67393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18367.3214.990799.67393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1203714260.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> It is indeed the copy - from PRI it seems, and not the client - as?WGBH encountered?the same problem. Mike > Of course, sometimes it's the copy that's wrong and not the talent. > There's a Medtronic funder running on WBUR now that was clearly > written by someone[1] who didn't understand the difference between a > slash (that's "/") and a backslash ("\"). I've heard at least two > different people read this funder, and I have to believe that they > wouldn't both have gotten it wrong, so the inevitable conclusion is > that the script has it wrong. > > -GAWollman > > [1] Only a Windows user would make this mistake. > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 22 17:22:40 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> > Ah--that sounds like a spoonerism, mixing up sounds of one > word with another. There was a Reverend Spooner who > would accidentally say things like "May I sew you to > another sheet" and "Our queer old Dean" instead of "May I > show you to another seat" and "Our dear old Queen". The > Capitol Steps do a whole routine every show called > Lirty Dies and Scicious Vandals, in which spoonerisms > are played for laughs. At one point, they point out-- > in straight talk--that Brad Pitt's daughter is named > Shiloh Pitt and ask the audience to do the spoonerism > in their minds... There was a thoroughbred breeder/owner about 25 years ago who gave a filly the name of Cunning Stunt just to torture track announcers. Howard From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 18:26:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:26:28 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was reading the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. Fred Foy had a good one on ABC when he said 'stayed tuned for the NBA PAYOFFS NEXT ON ABC. But as anything ever topped a network radio announcer saying 'ladies and gentlemen the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever' From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 18:26:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:26:28 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was reading the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. Fred Foy had a good one on ABC when he said 'stayed tuned for the NBA PAYOFFS NEXT ON ABC. But as anything ever topped a network radio announcer saying 'ladies and gentlemen the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever' From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 22 18:46:43 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:46:43 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c875ad$305aace0$88814c0c@oemcomputer> > I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was reading > the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She > obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. I recall another female newsreader doing something very similar on WBZ in the '70s. I forget whether it was Anne McGrath or Robin Young, but it was during a newscast on Robin Young's late-night weekend show circa 1975: The Padres were "South Dakota" and, over in the junior circuit, the Oakland A's were "Oklahoma." Also, as a little kid, I remember Jess Cain, on WHDH, either doing a spoonerism routine or playing someone else's: It was a bollixed telling of the "Cinderella" story ... "Until he got to the cin where Housederella lived," that sort of thing. I was really young then, so that's about all I recall of it, one of my earliest radio memories. Howard From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 22 19:24:32 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:24:32 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception Message-ID: <021001c875b2$81d38290$857a87b0$@net> Political office holders in many communities use PEG (public/education/government) channels to address their constituents. Many PEG groups take community service seriously. >HEY! As someone that was frequently seen on our local PEG channel, I resent that! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH (Town Councilor 1996-2005) >>You mean people actually notice?! From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 22 20:32:19 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:32:19 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <021001c875b2$81d38290$857a87b0$@net> References: <021001c875b2$81d38290$857a87b0$@net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dillane Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:25 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception Political office holders in many communities use PEG (public/education/government) channels to address their constituents. Many PEG groups take community service seriously. I'm on a town commission and I arrange to have our meetings taped and broadcast. People watch. From dave@skywaves.net Fri Feb 22 20:38:31 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:38:31 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c875bc$cc8c0910$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Or the old Washington quote, long forgotten, from a "high White Horse souse"... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Howard Glazer" Cc: "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Voice-over Flubs >I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was reading > the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She > obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. > > Fred Foy had a good one on ABC when he said 'stayed tuned for the NBA > PAYOFFS NEXT ON ABC. > > But as anything ever topped a network radio announcer saying 'ladies > and gentlemen the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever' > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 22 21:02:22 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:02:22 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: References: <021001c875b2$81d38290$857a87b0$@net> Message-ID: <47BF7EAE.3060602@fybush.com> David Moisan wrote: > I'm on a town commission and I arrange to have our meetings taped and broadcast. People watch. As they do out here in my western NY suburb. At the risk of going OT, I suspect Garrett's blocking of the PEG channels simply reflects his connection, or lack thereof, to the town where he lives. Without kids in school or any other deep ties to that particular community, living in a condo and thus not dealing directly with many municipal services, and spending most of his days at work 20 miles away, I can't blame him for having little interest in the nuances of local politics. I wouldn't either, in that situation. I care fairly deeply about what happens in my town (I own a home, have a daughter who starts public school this fall and another kid on the way, and grew up here, too), but even I don't watch most of the town meetings on Channel 12, depending instead on our local weekly to summarize any items of interest. It's still nice to know it's there if I need it. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 21:20:44 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:20:44 -0500 Subject: 6 million may lose digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <47BF7EAE.3060602@fybush.com> References: <021001c875b2$81d38290$857a87b0$@net> <47BF7EAE.3060602@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802221820l24d770e4l8ae979b90b4aaed4@mail.gmail.com> Public Access was a good idea but I think it is almost at the end. The satellite operators are exempt. Can you imagine if they had to uplink every access channel? Verizon and AT&T are trying to avoid it. Reality today is the meetings can be streamed online. Boston had some very good access networks in the area and they did serve the purpose. From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 22 22:00:39 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:00:39 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008b01c875c8$46486e00$4bdd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Guess that's why there is no "MON" anymore.... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:26 PM To: Howard Glazer Cc: Todd Glickman; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Voice-over Flubs I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was reading the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. Fred Foy had a good one on ABC when he said 'stayed tuned for the NBA PAYOFFS NEXT ON ABC. But as anything ever topped a network radio announcer saying 'ladies and gentlemen the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever' From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 22:31:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:31:30 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <008b01c875c8$46486e00$4bdd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> <008b01c875c8$46486e00$4bdd8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802221931s23acacfcy86aa039f0d6b3f91@mail.gmail.com> There was one incidence where a Boston jock screwed up deliberately to get Mac Richmond to fire him. The jock had been offered a huge contract in Chicago but Mac wouldn't let him leave. Mac had his jocks on 7 days a week but allowed them to record and transcribe weekend shows. This jock then proceded to use the WBZ calls instead of WMEX. The tape would be recorded and played back at the transmitter and whoever was working didn't catch it. But Normon Soloman who was Mac's jack of all trades did and finally got the tape pulled. Mac fired the jock and he went happily to Chicago. In Boston he had to use the name Johnny instead of his real name as Mac wanted to honor his favorite football player who was Johnny Lujack. The jock became the most popular announcer in Chicago..... Larry Lujack From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 22 23:57:45 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:57:45 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><002101c875a1$709a3d40$88814c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770802221526g5690b162x9a920a04bc9948e0@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c875bc$cc8c0910$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <002d01c875d8$a2aece90$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Took me a while. NL, San Diego vs. Montreal, right? (Hence the relevance in Canada.) Wasn't the announcer Harry Von Zell? And did he actually say Hoobert Heever or is that part an urban legend? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: ; "Howard Glazer" Cc: "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Voice-over Flubs > Or the old Washington quote, long forgotten, from a "high White > Horse souse"... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Howard Glazer" > Cc: "Todd Glickman" ; > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: Voice-over Flubs > > >>I remember listening to CBL sign off at 1 AM and the woman was >>reading >> the baseball scores and had Montana beating South Dakota. She >> obviously had no clue what MON and SD stood for. >> >> Fred Foy had a good one on ABC when he said 'stayed tuned for the >> NBA >> PAYOFFS NEXT ON ABC. >> >> But as anything ever topped a network radio announcer saying >> 'ladies >> and gentlemen the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever' >> >> > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 23 01:36:36 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:36:36 -0500 Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <002d01c875d8$a2aece90$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080222153837.9AD4983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002d01c875d8$a2aece90$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47BF78A4.4960.A19192@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Feb 2008 at 23:57, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Wasn't the announcer Harry Von Zell? And did he actually say Hoobert > Heever or is that part an urban legend? It was. And it's true. http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/radio/vonzell.asp -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Feb 23 02:48:58 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:48:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Garrett Wollman > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > To: Todd Glickman > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:55:26 -0500 > Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > Of course, sometimes it's the copy that's wrong and not > the talent. There's a Medtronic funder running on WBUR > now that was clearly written by someone[1] who didn't > understand the difference between a slash (that's "/") > and a backslash ("\"). I've heard at least two different > people read this funder, and I have to believe that they > wouldn't both have gotten it wrong, so the inevitable > conclusion is that the script has it wrong. The script indeed says "backslash", as punctuation marks that are to be read as words on the air are spelled out phonetically on the scripts. Apparently, the Medtronic website has an auto-redirect set up so that if someone enters that URL as it is read on the air, with a "backslash" (instead of a "slash"), it sends their browser to the correct page, which, after all that, displays a URL with a "slash" even if the user entered a "backslash". I just tried going to that web page as read, and that's what happened. I don't know whether Medtronic created that auto-redirect because the wording of their funder was incorrect, and rather than instruct all their affiliates to change it, perhaps they decided to make the web page work that way. Since the web page DOES work with a "backslash", even if via an auto-redirect, that makes the copy as it's being currently read on the air to be correct regardless. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 06:47:35 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:47:35 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> I had wondered. The backslash in the Medtronic copy brought me up short too. But then I recalled some other company a couple of years back (can't recall what company) whose copy--and I believe it was advertising on a commercial station, not underwriting on a noncomm--contained exacly the same "error" and it was handled in exactly the same way. In that instance, I purposely entered the backslash, as instructed, where a slash would have been correct, and wound up at the desired page. Next, I entered the URL with a slash instead of the errant backslash and was taken to the identical page. I then decided that the "error" might have been intentional--to sort out who got to the page by dint of hearing the ad. If so, I'd call the scheme too clever by half because a lot of Web-savvy listeners would instinctively convert the backslash to a slash, thus causing themselves not to be counted in the audit of the ad's effectiveness. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Cc: "Todd Glickman" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:48 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs >> > From: Garrett Wollman >> CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> To: Todd Glickman >> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:55:26 -0500 >> Subject: Voice-over Flubs >> >> Of course, sometimes it's the copy that's wrong and not >> the talent. There's a Medtronic funder running on WBUR >> now that was clearly written by someone[1] who didn't >> understand the difference between a slash (that's "/") >> and a backslash ("\"). I've heard at least two different >> people read this funder, and I have to believe that they >> wouldn't both have gotten it wrong, so the inevitable >> conclusion is that the script has it wrong. > > The script indeed says "backslash", as punctuation marks > that are to be read as words on the air are spelled out > phonetically on the scripts. > > Apparently, the Medtronic website has an auto-redirect set > up so that if someone enters that URL as it is read on the > air, with a "backslash" (instead of a "slash"), it sends > their browser to the correct page, which, after all that, > displays a URL with a "slash" even if the user entered a > "backslash". I just tried going to that web page as read, > and that's what happened. > > I don't know whether Medtronic created that auto-redirect > because the wording of their funder was incorrect, and > rather than instruct all their affiliates to change it, > perhaps they decided to make the web page work that way. > > Since the web page DOES work with a "backslash", even if > via an auto-redirect, that makes the copy as it's being > currently read on the air to be correct regardless. > > EP > > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 23 11:40:56 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:40:56 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18368.19608.636042.35938@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > who got to the page by dint of hearing the ad. If so, I'd call the > scheme too clever by half because a lot of Web-savvy listeners would > instinctively convert the backslash to a slash, thus causing > themselves not to be counted in the audit of the ad's effectiveness. It's your browser that does that, not the server -- the server never sees the backslash. This behavior originated in IE but has apparently spread to other browsers recently (Opera does it; I did not check Firefox). I blame Microsoft for using the wrong path separator character. -GAWollman From ka3zci@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 02:27:34 2008 From: ka3zci@yahoo.com (Robert Paine) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:27:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Voice flubs Message-ID: <680315.43231.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard a deliberate boner in '68 or '69 on WABC. At the time the station used to reverb their audio like Gangbusters. The station also signed off most Sunday nights/Monday mornings for transmitter maintenance. On this night the engineers ran the usual reference tones, took the carrier on and off, and all the usual stuff. I guess one of them was bored or something because when the carrier was switched on the following was heard up and down the Atlantic seaboard...."From DEEP within the echo chambers of the Blue Network: HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!!!!" I can't imagine why nothing like it was ever heard again on those overnight transmitter maintenance thingies.... Bob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 12:06:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:06:19 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> Ahhh the good old days of Monday morning transmitter tests. Back around 1969 a friend of mine lived in the transmitter shack of WROL 950 in Saugus. It may have still been WRYT then. For about 2 months he ran a music-talk show from Midnight to 5 AM that attracted quite the following. Given the transmitter location in the salt water marsh just north of Revere the signal at night was phenomenal. We got callers as far away as Florida and Iowa. The FCC finally said enough and the show died. Still that job helped him land a job in a decent market and after stints in Philadelphia and Buffalo he is now a popular weatherman in Connecticut. He got the idea from a similar show that came from a station in Lookout Mountain, Tennessee that could be heard on the entire east coast. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 12:28:54 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:28:54 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01c87641$94d332c0$6601a8c0@default> > Back around 1969 a friend of mine lived in the transmitter shack of > WROL 950 in Saugus. It may have still been WRYT then. For about 2 > months he ran a music-talk show from Midnight to 5 AM that attracted > quite the following. Wasn't that station only a daytimer back then? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 12:49:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:49:49 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <004c01c87641$94d332c0$6601a8c0@default> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <004c01c87641$94d332c0$6601a8c0@default> Message-ID: <4fc429770802230949j699bbd0wc742279b738c4185@mail.gmail.com> Yes but the FCC allowed daytimers to test at night during certain windows. Early Monday mornings seemed to be the accepted standard. Most fulltime stations also signed off on Monday at Midnight as well. This is one reason Ken Mayer became a Boston cult radio star in Boston. The only other AM station on in Boston on Monday was WHDH who elected to shut down on Sunday instead. One amusing byproduct of this occurred on WRKO. Dorman had to come in at 5AM to sign the station on and he was not a happy camper about it. He deliberately broke format and for months turned WRKO into a simulcast of WLOB in Portland letting the morning man there by the name of Schnieder loose on WRKO until 6. It was hysterical. Our Maine readers most likely remember the Portland jock. On 2/23/08, Don A wrote: > > > > Back around 1969 a friend of mine lived in the transmitter shack of > > WROL 950 in Saugus. It may have still been WRYT then. For about 2 > > months he ran a music-talk show from Midnight to 5 AM that attracted > > quite the following. > > > Wasn't that station only a daytimer back then? > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Feb 23 12:51:11 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:51:11 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier cut from WRKO Message-ID: <20080223175111.96DD08398C@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Longtime talk host Moe Lauzier has been cut from WRKO, according to an announcement on his blog and during his show this morning (I understand). Apparently informercials or whatever they plan to put in his place is much more important to "The Talk Station". A sad sign of the times. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 23 14:00:54 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:00:54 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.co m> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:06 PM 2/23/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >Back around 1969 a friend of mine lived in the transmitter shack of >WROL 950 in Saugus. It may have still been WRYT then. For about 2 >months he ran a music-talk show from Midnight to 5 AM that attracted >quite the following. When I was a kid, I used to love to do dx'ing and Sunday nights were the best time to do it because so many stations signed off for transmitter maintenance. I heard stations from as far away as the Dutch Antilles, Iowa, Florida... for a kid from Dorchester whose folks never travelled, this was like a mini-vacation for me. I think today's kids have no idea how exciting it was to pull in distant stations. I remember the WMEX sign-off ("I'll See You in My Dreams" was the song, if I recall correctly) and then other stations would start faintly being heard... I vaguely recall something in French from Qu?bec, and I think I heard Nashville TN once... it was pretty amazing! I also recall hearing some overnight hosts late at night when doing an all-night show still wasn't that common. Do any of you recall when it became widely accepted to do an overnight show? A lot of stations did still sign off at midnight or 1 AM when I was growing up -- WBZ didn't start doing all night programming till 1952, which I was waaaay too young to realize, but when I was a little older, I still recall stations signing off at midnight or 1 AM even during the week. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 14:24:42 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:24:42 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> I remember CBS Radio making a big deal out of being the first to offer newscasts 24 hours a day and that was around 1974. I think WMEX went fulltime when Larry Glick arrived around 1964. My memories of all night radio go back to the early 60's. WEEI had Music Til Dawn that CBS ran on all their owned stations with local hosts. My brain says Jack Lazar was the Boston host. WHDH had Norm Nathan and 'Sounds In The Night' He used the same opening with a train whisltle and a jazz piece that I can't recall the name of but if I heard it again I would know it. Before Dick Summer I believe BZ had Kevin O'Keefe overnight. I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight if anything. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 14:24:55 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:24:55 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <18368.19608.636042.35938@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001501c87651$c6ff7c80$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Well, I can't say that I carefully examined the contents of IE's destination field after I entered the URL with the backslashes instead of slashes. I think, though, that I did notice that the backslashes had been transformed to slashes. But since rerouting by the server also--apparently--modifies the contents of the destination field, I don't see how a user with no special insight into what happens in the domain-name server could guess that the browser had performed the trick. I assume that IE does this magic only to backslashes entered into the destination field. Oh, and IIRC, the transformation doesn't take place until you click on "go," which enhances the impression that something outside the local PC is making it happen. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > < said: > >> who got to the page by dint of hearing the ad. If so, I'd call the >> scheme too clever by half because a lot of Web-savvy listeners >> would >> instinctively convert the backslash to a slash, thus causing >> themselves not to be counted in the audit of the ad's >> effectiveness. > > It's your browser that does that, not the server -- the server never > sees the backslash. This behavior originated in IE but has > apparently > spread to other browsers recently (Opera does it; I did not check > Firefox). > > I blame Microsoft for using the wrong path separator character. > > -GAWollman > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 14:36:53 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:36:53 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> The French on 1510 was CJRS Sherbrooke QC about 200 miles due north of Boston. Given that, in those days, WMEX's calculated NIF was quite low (WLAC, though a station of a higher class, nevertheless had to protect WMEX, which was older) because, in that era, NIFs did not recognize the effects of big first-adjacent skywave signals (which Boston gets in spades from 1500 and 1520), CJRS probably never operated within the terms of its license at any time during its life. Although it was directional to protect both Nashville and Boston, CJRS delivered a very strong nighttime signal around here. Many listeners may not have realized it because WWKB and WTOP did so much damage to WMEX. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs At 12:06 PM 2/23/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >Back around 1969 a friend of mine lived in the transmitter shack of >WROL 950 in Saugus. It may have still been WRYT then. For about 2 >months he ran a music-talk show from Midnight to 5 AM that attracted >quite the following. When I was a kid, I used to love to do dx'ing and Sunday nights were the best time to do it because so many stations signed off for transmitter maintenance. I heard stations from as far away as the Dutch Antilles, Iowa, Florida... for a kid from Dorchester whose folks never travelled, this was like a mini-vacation for me. I think today's kids have no idea how exciting it was to pull in distant stations. I remember the WMEX sign-off ("I'll See You in My Dreams" was the song, if I recall correctly) and then other stations would start faintly being heard... I vaguely recall something in French from Qu?bec, and I think I heard Nashville TN once... it was pretty amazing! I also recall hearing some overnight hosts late at night when doing an all-night show still wasn't that common. Do any of you recall when it became widely accepted to do an overnight show? A lot of stations did still sign off at midnight or 1 AM when I was growing up -- WBZ didn't start doing all night programming till 1952, which I was waaaay too young to realize, but when I was a little older, I still recall stations signing off at midnight or 1 AM even during the week. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 14:50:00 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:50:00 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain References: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> "The Seacoast" wrote: > Somewhere I around here, I have a cassette of Neil Cannon on 850 playing > Bohemian Rhapsody (edited) on yes, WHDH. So I wasn't the only one to have heard this short version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" on "85 in Boston, where your friends are, with another cash call from Copley Square just moments away" as Dave Supple would say. I only heard it a couple of times, and I don't think I ever heard any other station playing an edited version of the above named song. WCAP did edit a few songs when Bob Dumais was PD back in the mid to late 70's. In 1977, 'CAP played an edited "You Made Me Believe In Magic" by the Bay City Rollers that cut out the guitar riff about 2/3 through the song. They also played an edit of Leo Sayer's "How Much Love" that cut the electric guitar riff just before the final verse. And finally, an edited "Hotel California" by the Eagles that was simply a quick fade of the song about 5 seconds into the start of the 2+ minute electric guitar portion of the tune. These songs were played off carts, as WCAP normally played all current & gold off records back in those days. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 14:59:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:59:24 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> References: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231159o21e4e14p109d362943f6fc9d@mail.gmail.com> In the Saturday Herald, Joe Fitzgerald says goodbye to his friend. It has a picture of Jess from 1987 and it looks like they were still in Park Square then before moving to Channel 7. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1075383&srvc=home&position=7 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 14:59:46 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:59:46 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c87656$a5f6f770$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> WNAC might have carried Long John Nebel from Mutual, or his successor, Larry King. I don't know how much Mutual WNAC ran in those days or whether some other station had become the local Mutual affiliate by then. But those are possibilities. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Donna Halper" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs >I remember CBS Radio making a big deal out of being the first to >offer > newscasts 24 hours a day and that was around 1974. > > I think WMEX went fulltime when Larry Glick arrived around 1964. My > memories of all night radio go back to the early 60's. WEEI had > Music > Til Dawn that CBS ran on all their owned stations with local hosts. > My > brain says Jack Lazar was the Boston host. WHDH had Norm Nathan and > 'Sounds In The Night' He used the same opening with a train whisltle > and a jazz piece that I can't recall the name of but if I heard it > again I would know it. Before Dick Summer I believe BZ had Kevin > O'Keefe overnight. I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight > if anything. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 15:02:34 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:02:34 -0500 Subject: Dick Summer's "Goodnight" Show On WCAP Message-ID: <009f01c87657$08596dd0$f78d764c@Mark> Of interest to those on the list who remember Dick Summer from his years on WBZ, and for those who may not have been around in the 1960's, you can hear "Goodnight", an hour long show hosted by Dick Summer most every night at Midnight (as he put it in the recorded promo) on WCAP. From what I'm told it runs Sunday/Monday through Friday/Saturday. According to the promo, he will tell us a bedtime story and sooth one to sleep. And for those of you who are outside of WCAP's coverage area, you can listen to the show as WCAP is now streaming on line. Their new website URL is www.980wcap.com Mark Watson From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 23 15:04:12 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:04:12 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080223200418.AAAD544C046@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:36 PM 2/23/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The French on 1510 was CJRS Sherbrooke QC about 200 miles due north of >Boston. ..[snip] Many listeners may not have >realized it because WWKB and WTOP did so much damage to WMEX. Ah yes, it was WKBW back then and I used to love to listen to it. I the mid 60s, my favourite WBZ jock, Jefferson Kaye, got fired and he landed at KB. Moving up the dial, WBAL in Baltimore (or Ball-mer, as they seemed to say) was another signal that came in here very well late, and it really boomed in. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 15:04:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:04:38 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <000901c87656$a5f6f770$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <000901c87656$a5f6f770$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231204x2829fad2if423703903427234@mail.gmail.com> They certainly didn't offer anything to keep a 12 year old awake back then... I knew about Norm because I loved the opening and WHDH was my radio home most nights because of sports. On 2/23/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WNAC might have carried Long John Nebel from Mutual, or his successor, > Larry King. I don't know how much Mutual WNAC ran in those days or > whether some other station had become the local Mutual affiliate by > then. But those are possibilities. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 23 15:12:22 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:12:22 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <000901c87656$a5f6f770$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> When did WNAC cease being a Mutual affiliate? The Yankee Network and Mutual were organically connected for a long time under General Teleradio's ownership. I gather WNAC left MBS when the network was sold(?) --And where does Norman Knight fit into this picture? I think I'm correct that Knight was WNAC/Yankee's GM for some years before (or during?) the time began his own regional radio enterprise. I think all the Knight Quality stations were Yankee affiliates when I was growing up in the '60s. WHEB was also with NBC for years. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > WNAC might have carried Long John Nebel from Mutual, or his successor, > Larry King. I don't know how much Mutual WNAC ran in those days or > whether some other station had become the local Mutual affiliate by > then. But those are possibilities. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; > "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" > ; > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > >>I remember CBS Radio making a big deal out of being the first to >>offer >> newscasts 24 hours a day and that was around 1974. >> >> I think WMEX went fulltime when Larry Glick arrived around 1964. My >> memories of all night radio go back to the early 60's. WEEI had >> Music >> Til Dawn that CBS ran on all their owned stations with local hosts. >> My >> brain says Jack Lazar was the Boston host. WHDH had Norm Nathan and >> 'Sounds In The Night' He used the same opening with a train whisltle >> and a jazz piece that I can't recall the name of but if I heard it >> again I would know it. Before Dick Summer I believe BZ had Kevin >> O'Keefe overnight. I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight >> if anything. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 15:13:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:13:26 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231213iaaa9825qfec8b10c643062b7@mail.gmail.com> Funny thing was I was amazed as a young teen how clear WMEX came into Montreal at night in the 60's. Then in 1967 WRKO became popular at night in Montreal as the Top 40 station there CFOX had a hideous nighttime signal that could not make it into downtown. CFOX became all news CKO in 1977 and when the network was sold in 1989 the Montreal AM signal was deleted as nobody wanted it. On 2/23/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The French on 1510 was CJRS Sherbrooke QC about 200 miles due north of > Boston. From lglavin@mail.com Sat Feb 23 15:12:13 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:12:13 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier cut from WRKO Message-ID: <20080223201213.ED5C116427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Moe Lauzier cut from WRKO >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:51:11 -0500 >Longtime talk host Moe Lauzier has been cut from WRKO, according to >an announcement on his >blog and during his show this morning (I understand). Apparently >informercials or >whatever they plan to put in his place is much more important to >"The Talk Station". >A sad sign of the times. Well they won't be running Enzyte male-enhancement infomercials since the company that made it has been indicted by the Feds... could "grinning Bob" wind up in the hoosegow"? -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 15:18:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:18:06 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <000901c87656$a5f6f770$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231218o6aa8b8a0ud2c6d5d69a891d67@mail.gmail.com> I know by 1964 WBOS was a Mutual affilate as I can remember a kindly man by the name of Norm Ruby explaing the console to me and explaining how they got their news from Mutual. On 2/23/08, Doug Drown wrote: > When did WNAC cease being a Mutual affiliate? The Yankee Network and Mutual > were organically connected for a long time under General Teleradio's > ownership. I gather WNAC left MBS when the network was sold(?) > > --And where does Norman Knight fit into this picture? I think I'm correct > that Knight was WNAC/Yankee's GM for some years before (or during?) the time > began his own > regional radio enterprise. I think all the Knight Quality stations were > Yankee affiliates when I was growing up in the '60s. WHEB was also with NBC > for years. > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Donna Halper" > Cc: "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" > ; > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > > > WNAC might have carried Long John Nebel from Mutual, or his successor, > > Larry King. I don't know how much Mutual WNAC ran in those days or > > whether some other station had become the local Mutual affiliate by > > then. But those are possibilities. > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Donna Halper" > > Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; > > "Eli Polonsky" ; "Todd Glickman" > > ; > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > > > > >>I remember CBS Radio making a big deal out of being the first to > >>offer > >> newscasts 24 hours a day and that was around 1974. > >> > >> I think WMEX went fulltime when Larry Glick arrived around 1964. My > >> memories of all night radio go back to the early 60's. WEEI had > >> Music > >> Til Dawn that CBS ran on all their owned stations with local hosts. > >> My > >> brain says Jack Lazar was the Boston host. WHDH had Norm Nathan and > >> 'Sounds In The Night' He used the same opening with a train whisltle > >> and a jazz piece that I can't recall the name of but if I heard it > >> again I would know it. Before Dick Summer I believe BZ had Kevin > >> O'Keefe overnight. I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight > >> if anything. > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 23 15:20:11 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:20:11 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231213iaaa9825qfec8b10c643062b7@mail.gmail.com > References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001d01c87653$73ed8c10$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802231213iaaa9825qfec8b10c643062b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080223202017.8D6E044C017@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Kevin wrote-- > >Then in 1967 WRKO became popular at night in Montreal as the Top 40 >station there CFOX had a hideous nighttime signal that could not make >it into downtown. Speaking of hideous, WMEX's night time signal-- we used to joke that WMEX was #1 in trees and beaver, since you could get it in Nova Scotia but not in some parts of Boston. On the other hand, when I was on the air in 1973 at little WCAS in Cambridge (250 wonderful watts, I believe), the signal would skip to all sorts of places, like Provincetown. I used to get fan mail from there. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 15:25:33 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:25:33 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com><20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> > I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight > if anything. It's interesting...with all the memories people share about radio stations that made impressions on them at one time or another....I have rarely (if ever) recall hearing someone share their memories of WNAC. Was there ever any compelling programming on WNAC? Have you found the same thing? I mean, what WAS WNAC doing in the early 60's before it became WRKO? Apparently nothing to write home about! ;-) From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 15:37:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:37:24 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231237h33ec48b3x36329db23e044647@mail.gmail.com> I remember WNAC did talk in the mid 60's and the one name that leaps to mind was Haywood Vincent. He had on ongoing rivalry with Paul Benzaquin who was on WEEI. WNAC also has the first sports call-in show in 1964 called 'Hot Corner Of Sports' that was hosted by Channel 7 sportscaster Bob Gallagher who later relocated to Miami. My parents never listened to WNAC so I never really heard them much. On 2/23/08, Don A wrote: > > > I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight > > if anything. > > It's interesting...with all the memories people share about radio stations > that made impressions on them at one time or another....I have rarely (if > ever) recall hearing someone share their memories of WNAC. Was there ever > any compelling programming on WNAC? > > Have you found the same thing? > > I mean, what WAS WNAC doing in the early 60's before it became WRKO? > > Apparently nothing to write home about! > > ;-) > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 14:40:42 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the show started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by American Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears that it also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until 1970 when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 23 15:48:43 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:48:43 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> <4fc429770802231237h33ec48b3x36329db23e044647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005f01c8765d$7b0a2e40$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Roy Leonard, who spent nearly 40 years at WGN and WGN-TV before he retired, was at WNAC and WNAC-TV for some time; I believe he left when WNAC became WRKO. It sticks in my mind, for some reason, that he was at CJAD in Montreal briefly before going to Chicago. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Don A" Cc: "Eli Polonsky" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs >I remember WNAC did talk in the mid 60's and the one name that leaps > to mind was Haywood Vincent. He had on ongoing rivalry with Paul > Benzaquin who was on WEEI. > > WNAC also has the first sports call-in show in 1964 called 'Hot Corner > Of Sports' that was hosted by Channel 7 sportscaster Bob Gallagher who > later relocated to Miami. > > My parents never listened to WNAC so I never really heard them much. > > > > > On 2/23/08, Don A wrote: >> >> > I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight >> > if anything. >> >> It's interesting...with all the memories people share about radio >> stations >> that made impressions on them at one time or another....I have rarely (if >> ever) recall hearing someone share their memories of WNAC. Was there >> ever >> any compelling programming on WNAC? >> >> Have you found the same thing? >> >> I mean, what WAS WNAC doing in the early 60's before it became WRKO? >> >> Apparently nothing to write home about! >> >> ;-) >> >> >> From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Feb 23 16:25:33 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> References: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <47C08F4D.9020107@ttlc.net> Mark Watson wrote: > In 1977, 'CAP played an an edited "Hotel California" by the > Eagles that was simply a quick fade of the song about 5 seconds into > the start of the 2+ minute electric guitar portion of the tune. These > songs were played off carts, as WCAP normally played all current & > gold off records back in those days. > WLLH played Hotel California with a snippet of the song "livin' it up at the hotel california" repeated and faded in place of the 2+ minute guitar ending. From scott@fybush.com Sat Feb 23 16:39:24 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:39:24 -0500 Subject: An Appreciation of Jess Cain In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231159o21e4e14p109d362943f6fc9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <004b01c871ba$02e46f40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2> <009701c87655$46ab7a80$f78d764c@Mark> <4fc429770802231159o21e4e14p109d362943f6fc9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C0928C.3020009@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the Saturday Herald, Joe Fitzgerald says goodbye to his friend. It > has a picture of Jess from 1987 and it looks like they were still in > Park Square then before moving to Channel 7. > > http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1075383&srvc=home&position=7 > Aaaargh! My timer on my PC didn't go off when it was supposed to, and I missed this morning's WROR tribute to Jess. Anyone happen to aircheck it? There's a Tower Site Calendar up for trade to anyone who has a decent copy... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 16:40:48 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:40:48 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com><20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <001f01c87664$c2a130d0$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> I think by the early 60s, Bill Marlowe, who had done Music from Studio X in the evenings on WNAC, had moved on to WHN in New York (along with Norm Tulin from WORL, who became Norm Stevens at WHN). The--probably--7:00PM-to-midnight slot on WNAC was occupied by Jonathan Schwartz (now on XM, I believe), who is a GREAT raconteur and who played the kind of music I've always like the most--American popular standards. He had a really good show but as you might imagine, I don't think it drew much of an audience. If anyone knows the date of a Sonny Liston fight (a title fight, I believe) that took place someplace in Maine (NOT Portland or Bangor--maybe Lewiston), Schwartz's show on WNAC lasted until one day after that fight. Schwartz took the night off to go to Maine and see the fight and then came back and did one more show--his last one--on WNAC. AM drive on WNAC was occupied by Roy (Leonard--previously of WHDH and subsequently of WGN), Jim (Dixon--best known, I believe, for his later work at WCOP), and Gus (Saunders--of the cooking show, first, I believe, at WNAC and later at WRYT/WROL). The three-man morning show had a great sound and the three hosts were literate and congenial, although Roy Leonard always amazed me when he expressed his personal tastes in things like home decor--he was partial to the combination of maroon and orange! My late wife and I enjoyed the show (we were newlyweds then) but thought that although Leonard might have had good taste in music, he certainly could not have had good taste in home decor. Another program that was on WNAC in that era--in PM drive--was Listen! a talk program (though perhaps not telephone talk) with Haywood Vincent. GREAT pipes and excellent delivery--sort of in the Paul Harvey style! And I think the successor to Jonathan Schwartz in the evenings was a short-lived telephone talk show hosted by a guy named Vince (I think) Gale. Gale, whose prior gig was, IIRC, in Washington DC, also had great pipes but he managed to create a call-in show that probably wasn't rivaled in Boston for its sleep-inducing qualities until the arrival of Tom Finneran. Remember that our expectation for call-in shows had been set by Jerry Williams and Paul Benzaquin, who did compelling radio. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "Eli Polonsky" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > >> I have no memory of what WNAC was doing overnight >> if anything. > > It's interesting...with all the memories people share about radio > stations that made impressions on them at one time or another....I > have rarely (if ever) recall hearing someone share their memories of > WNAC. Was there ever any compelling programming on WNAC? > > Have you found the same thing? > > I mean, what WAS WNAC doing in the early 60's before it became WRKO? > > Apparently nothing to write home about! > > ;-) > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 16:47:56 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:47:56 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the >show > started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by > American > Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears > that it > also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until > 1970 > when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 14:56:25 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:56:25 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? Message-ID: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> The part time affilate of SNR Radio in Chicago is dropping it in March and switching to a network I thought died 10 years ago...Ron Barr's Sports Byline ( which was on WEEI back in the 590 days ) The Barr show will air on tape delay on WSCR at 1 AM. http://www.sportsbyline.com/ This network has been on borrowed time for a year since they left Chicago and relocated to Santa Monica. Losing Tony Bruno in December because they could not afford to pay him may have been the final straw. Speaking of defunct sports networks does anybody know where Tom Star might be today? He built his Sumner-Callahan Radio Network into a decent national sports outlet but he had a problem with paychecks that bounced. Of course the person who built that network landed nicely on his feet at Entercom...Jason Wolfe. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 16:58:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:58:04 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001f01c87664$c2a130d0$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> <001f01c87664$c2a130d0$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231358j506ceef6kfa317bffa993978c@mail.gmail.com> The fight occured May 25, 1965, in Lewiston, Maine Jonathan Schwartz is on XM channel 73 M-F 3-7 PM. He also does his WNYC show on weekends. Never knew he worked in Boston even though he is a huge Red Sox nut. Best thing that ever happened to Roy Leonard was WRKO being born. While Jim Dixon landed at WCOP doing country, Roy hit the jackpot at WGN. The WGN website still devotes a page on him which includes his Boston years. http://wgngold.com/people/leonard-roy.htm From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 17:26:19 2008 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:26:19 -0800 Subject: Norm Nathan's theme Message-ID: <47C09D8B.6040706@comcast.net> Count Basie's "Midnight Blue" Written / arranged by Neal Hefti =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From ewerme@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 17:09:04 2008 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:09:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Slash/Backslash\etc was: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: <20080223220904.2CB885C042@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I haven't followed all the Email on this thread, but what the heck. Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, I can't say that I carefully examined the contents of IE's > destination field after I entered the URL with the backslashes instead > of slashes. I think, though, that I did notice that the backslashes > had been transformed to slashes. This would be a sensible thing for a Windows system to do since it doesn't use backslash for much of anything except the path name separator. > ... But since rerouting by the server > also--apparently--modifies the contents of the destination field, I > don't see how a user with no special insight into what happens in the > domain-name server could guess that the browser had performed the > trick. Ah, but geeks mit tools haff our vays.... All the domain name server does is take a query for a host name (e.g. www.google.com) and returns the numeric IP address. For Google, there may be many as that's one way to spread the load: $ host www.google.com www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com has address 64.233.169.147 www.l.google.com has address 64.233.169.104 www.l.google.com has address 64.233.169.99 www.l.google.com has address 64.233.169.103 www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. For me, my ISP doesn't have to bother: $ host WermeNH.com WermeNH.com has address 64.136.25.175 WermeNH.com mail is handled by 10 mail.bluetie.com. $ host 64.136.25.175 175.25.136.64.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer public-25-175.lax.ws.untd.com. For a Web browser, no slashes go to the DNS server. Backslashes can, but it looks as though Firefox on Linux took the URL http://werme.nh.com\sdd\index.html, picked out "werme.nh.com\sdd\index.html" as the server name, noticed the illegal characters in it and replied "Firefox can't find the server at werme.nh.con\sdd\index.html" without bothering the DNS server. Browsers have to pick out protocol name (e.g. from "http:"), server name (e.g. from //werme.nh.com) and the rest (/sdd/index.html). For that URL, Firefox opened a connection to host 64.136.25.175, port 80 and sent: GET /sdd/index.html HTTP/1.1 Host: wermenh.com and a bunch of other hints and offerings, then gets the index page back. > I assume that IE does this magic only to backslashes entered into the > destination field. Oh, and IIRC, the transformation doesn't take place > until you click on "go," which enhances the impression that something > outside the local PC is making it happen. IE would have to accept backslashes to pick out the hostname, so it would be completely sensible to change the path (e.g. "sdd\index.html" to "sdd/index.html"). Given the number of people who tell me to type backslash when they mean '/' I've all but given up correcting them. ----- Garrett Wollman wrote: > It's your browser that does that, not the server -- the server never > sees the backslash. This behavior originated in IE but has > apparently > spread to other browsers recently (Opera does it; I did not check > Firefox). I did not check Firefox on Windows, it may. > I blame Microsoft for using the wrong path separator character. That goes back to the early 1980s. MS-DOS was largely a port of CP/M, which was influenced by various systems from DEC in Maynard dating back at least to the PDP-6 in the 1960s. Those systems used forward slash to note options, e.g. to copy a file in binary mode, one might do: .R PIP * NEW.FIL=OLD.FIL/B * ^C . After a while, the PDP-10 (successor to the PDP-6) did support one directory per user, but the syntax was something like DSKB:[10,417]NEW.FIL wherel [10,417] was my project-programmer number. Meanwhile, AT&T went off and created Unix, and things began to look like /dskb/users/werme/new.file. Unix and Linux still use that, though on my system, it would likely be in /home/werme/txt/new.file. Microsoft used to have their own PDP-10s and that helped influence a lot of their work. They eventually figured out that the Unix pathname idea made a lot more sense and kind of adopted it, but kept the device name part. Worse, since they were using slash to introduce options, they had to do something different and either some committee or some programmer working at 0200 picked the obvious quick and dirty hack of using backslash. Apparently MS-DOS and maybe windows can be configured to use a different separator, but I don't know if the system would remain usable if someone were to use slash. Behind those mouse clicks are little files specifying programs, filenames, and options that use slashes. At any rate, now my file on Windows looks something like "D:\Users\Werme\Documents\New file.doc", gets examined by virus checkers a dozen times a day, and annoy geeks who know where it came from. It would have been so much better if they had just done the hard work and adopt the Unix format. Exacty how someone can think a line tilted forward should be called backslash is beyond me. -Ric Werme From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Feb 23 17:54:54 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:54:54 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: <6mjg7k$gabm15@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> The way I remember it, Dale Dorman would sign on a half hour early on Monday after WRKO did its weekly testing, at 5:30. He took the opportunity to play his favorite music, one top 40 rocker after another, and hit every post with screaming ad lib talk-ups. It was great! I'd wake up early every Monday morning just to listen. ------Original message------ Kvahey wrote: One amusing byproduct of this occurred on WRKO. Dorman had to come in at 5AM to sign the station on and he was not a happy camper about it. He deliberately broke format and for months turned WRKO into a simulcast of WLOB in Portland letting the morning man there by the name of Schnieder loose on WRKO until 6. It was hysterical. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 17:57:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:57:01 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> Scott will jump in if I misrembered this I *think* the rules were 5 TV 6 AM and 6 FM stations were the most one owner could have. CBS had AM outlets in NY LA Chicago Philadelphia San Francisco and Boston. When they bought a station in Dallas they had to sell WEEI and they were sold to Papa Gino's pizza. TV they owned NY LA Chicago Philadelphia and Green Bay. Green Bay??????? What I was told years ago was they did want to buy Channel 5 and 850 but the Herald never had a license to sell. They bought Green Bay to hold the 5th slot until the Herald won the court case which never happened. They wanted nothing to do with WCVB because they feared too many preemptions of the network. CBS was so desperate in 1971 they were looking into buying WXPO Channel 50 and printed a rather lengthy booklet about doing so. They wanted to move 50 to FM128 but the idea fizzled. CBS wanted nothing to do with RKO General but finally went back to 7. On 2/23/08, Doug Drown wrote: > This raises a good question. To my knowledge --- correct me if I'm > wrong --- ALL of CBS' O&Os were 50 kw stations except WEEI. Why didn't CBS > ever try to change that situation? For example, they might have tried to > buy WHDH (with WHDH-TV thrown in for good measure). Was such a move ever > considered? Seems to me it would have been smart strategically. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most > > of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), > > but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big > > skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston > > show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM > > Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > >>I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the > >>show > >> started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by > >> American > >> Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears > >> that it > >> also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until > >> 1970 > >> when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 23 17:03:42 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:03:42 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> This raises a good question. To my knowledge --- correct me if I'm wrong --- ALL of CBS' O&Os were 50 kw stations except WEEI. Why didn't CBS ever try to change that situation? For example, they might have tried to buy WHDH (with WHDH-TV thrown in for good measure). Was such a move ever considered? Seems to me it would have been smart strategically. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most > of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), > but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big > skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston > show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM > Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > >>I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the >>show >> started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by >> American >> Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears >> that it >> also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until >> 1970 >> when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 17:04:28 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:04:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499315.2276.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Speaking of defunct sports networks does anybody know where Tom Star > might be today? He built his Sumner-Callahan Radio Network into a > decent national sports outlet but he had a problem with paychecks > that > bounced. > > Of course the person who built that network landed nicely on his feet > at Entercom...Jason Wolfe. I recall reading Tom's obituary a number of years ago. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 18:40:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:40:46 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> I forgot that CBS also owned KMOX AM TV in St Louis. In any event CBS did own WBAY in Green Bay for a few years. Once CBS lost the rights to carry Packers games they sold it. On 2/23/08, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Scott will jump in if I misrembered this > > I *think* the rules were 5 TV 6 AM and 6 FM stations were the most one > owner could have. > > CBS had AM outlets in NY LA Chicago Philadelphia San Francisco and > Boston. When they bought a station in Dallas they had to sell WEEI and > they were sold to Papa Gino's pizza. > > TV they owned NY LA Chicago Philadelphia and Green Bay. Green Bay??????? > > What I was told years ago was they did want to buy Channel 5 and 850 > but the Herald never had a license to sell. They bought Green Bay to > hold the 5th slot until the Herald won the court case which never > happened. They wanted nothing to do with WCVB because they feared too > many preemptions of the network. CBS was so desperate in 1971 they > were looking into buying WXPO Channel 50 and printed a rather lengthy > booklet about doing so. They wanted to move 50 to FM128 but the idea > fizzled. CBS wanted nothing to do with RKO General but finally went > back to 7. > > > > On 2/23/08, Doug Drown wrote: > > This raises a good question. To my knowledge --- correct me if I'm > > wrong --- ALL of CBS' O&Os were 50 kw stations except WEEI. Why didn't > CBS > > ever try to change that situation? For example, they might have tried to > > buy WHDH (with WHDH-TV thrown in for good measure). Was such a move ever > > considered? Seems to me it would have been smart strategically. > > > > -Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) > Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most > > > of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), > > > but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big > > > skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston > > > show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). > > > > > > ----- > > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > > > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM > > > Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > > > > >>I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the > > >>show > > >> started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by > > >> American > > >> Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears > > >> that it > > >> also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until > > >> 1970 > > >> when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. > > > > > > > > From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Feb 23 19:11:12 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:11:12 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080224001124.71D152C5EC5@mail1.wildblue.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: >Speaking of defunct sports networks does anybody know where Tom Star >might be today? He built his Sumner-Callahan Radio Network into a >decent national sports outlet but he had a problem with paychecks that >bounced. Wasn't that the home of THEE Sports Final...sports/talk show that aired mid-1am in the late 80s/early 90s? I recall board-opping that around that time...hardly a night went by without some technical snafu. From scott@fybush.com Sat Feb 23 19:28:41 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:28:41 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I forgot that CBS also owned KMOX AM TV in St Louis. In any event CBS > did own WBAY in Green Bay for a few years. Once CBS lost the rights to > carry Packers games they sold it. The old rule was actually 7/7/7, but no more than 5 of the TVs could be VHF. After brief flings with UHF O&Os in the 50s (NBC had WBUF 17 Buffalo and WKNB 30 New Britain/Hartford; CBS had WHCT 18 Hartford and WXIX 19, later 18, Milwaukee), each of the nets settled back to 5 Vs. The canonical lineup was as follows - NBC: WNBC 4 NY, KNBC 4 LA, WMAQ 5 Chi, WKYC 3 Cleveland, WRC 4 DC CBS: WCBS 2 NY, KNXT 2 LA, WBBM 2 Chi, KMOX 4 St. Louis, WCAU 10 Phila ABC: WABC 7 NY, KABC 7 LA, WLS 7 Chi, WXYZ 7 Detroit, KGO 7 SF I believe only CBS had the maximum 7 AM/FM before the rule was changed. Those were WCBS 880/101.1 NY, KNX 1070/93.1 LA, WBBM 780/96.3 Chicago, WCAU 1210/98.1 Philadelphia, KCBS 740/97.3 San Francisco, WEEI 590/103.3 Boston and KMOX 1120/103.3 St. Louis. It's true that WEEI was the only 5 kW AM in a sea of 50s. I suspect the logic within CBS was that WEEI's 5 kW on 590 wasn't much worse than the directionally-impaired options up the dial at 680 and 850. 1030 was never available. And here's a bit of oft-forgotten trivia: NBC almost did a deal with RKO General in the early sixties to acquire WNAC AM-FM-TV. I think RKO would have ended up with WRC AM-FM-TV in Washington in exchange. Had that happened, WNAC would have become an NBC O&O. One wonders what would have happened to WBZ-TV - would Westinghouse have automatically gone with the #2 network, CBS? Or would the company, which fancied itself (not without cause) to be a network unto itself, have considered affiliating with ABC, which would probably have been much more tolerant of the frequent pre-emptions for local programming that Westinghouse was wont to do? s From scott@fybush.com Sat Feb 23 19:39:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:39:33 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C0BCC5.1050904@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I forgot that CBS also owned KMOX AM TV in St Louis. In any event CBS > did own WBAY in Green Bay for a few years. Once CBS lost the rights to > carry Packers games they sold it. Forgot to mention - the deal for the Green Bay station, which was not WBAY but WFRV (and which also included satellite station WJMN-TV in Escanaba, MI) didn't come along until after the ownership caps were raised, either to 12/12/12 or 24/24/24. It wasn't so much that CBS desperately wanted a Green Bay affiliate - it was that WFRV/WJMN came as a package with WCCO in Minneapolis, which CBS did very much want to own. CBS bought WFRV/WJMN in 1992 and sold it to Liberty Media in 2007. s From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sat Feb 23 19:50:34 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:34 -0500 Subject: Late-nite DXing In-Reply-To: <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <02af01c8767f$43c383b0$cb4a8b10$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:01 PM When I was a kid, I used to love to do dx'ing and Sunday nights were the best time to do it because so many stations signed off for transmitter maintenance....I think today's kids have no idea how exciting it was to pull in distant stations. ************************** For my 13th birthday my grandfather bought me an RCA 5-tube clock radio (with an RCA phono jack in the back for their companion 45-rpm changer the company brought out to support and enhance the sale of their new vinyl "singles" format, replacing the 78-rpm shellacs that broke far too easily). For the next 4-1/2 years there was hardly a night I didn't go to sleep listening to AM broadcast band "DX" on my little 5-tuber. Somewhere I still have the reception log I kept. I lived in the Finger Lakes of upstate NY, and my only local station went off the air before midnight. After sundown the Syracuse stations (with patterns that generally protected stations in my direction from them) were non-players, so the closest nighttime Top Pop stations I normally tuned in were WKBW, WPTR, and WMEX. During the day, my #1 choice was the quite conservative Top 40 format and delivery of Syracuse's WFBL "Big Six" announcers on 1390 kHz. When I moved into my dorm room in Cambridge to start my college years, it was harder to DX because of all the industrial and retail noise, along with all the misbehaving fluorescents in the dorms. Somewhere in the middle of my freshman year I developed a massive case of homesickness, driven in part by my parents' separation and divorce while I was off at school; about the only antidote I could afford was to wait until after midnight, when most of the stations on 1390 went off the air, and try to tune in WFBL in Syracuse. I think I had about a 30-40% success rate; as I recall, there was a station in the Carolinas that gave them a run for their money. Sunday nights were tough, because WFBL itself went off the air then! Ironically, when I was home from Boston on vacation or holidays, both during and after college -- especially during the sunspot minimum of the early-mid 60s, I'd drive around central NY with the (vacuum tube) car radio tuned to WMEX on 1510!!! I still have the old RCA 5-tuber; it has a massive crack in its plastic case, and it's been through a couple of exterior paint jobs, but I can't bear to part with it. I wouldn't dare plug it in and turn it on without replacing all its capacitors, but it was kinda like a teddy bear to me at a time when I needed it the most. Bud Hippisley From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 20:44:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:44:01 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: <499315.2276.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> <499315.2276.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231744h5d3e851y15fce39c83fb78c@mail.gmail.com> Steve Theeee Sports Final was Star. He actually had some stations in major markets such as Cleveland and Tampa. In Boston he bounced around and was on 590 and then 1330. For some insane reason he built a very expensive studio in the then brand new Kendall Square complex complete with a ground floor studio with big picture windows. He had been in East Boston where he ran the sports network and tunnel radio but his rent must have been ten times higher in Cambridge. Sorry to hear that he passed as he couldn't have been that old. On 2/23/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Speaking of defunct sports networks does anybody know where Tom Star > > might be today? He built his Sumner-Callahan Radio Network into a > > decent national sports outlet but he had a problem with paychecks > > that > > bounced. > > > > Of course the person who built that network landed nicely on his feet > > at Entercom...Jason Wolfe. > > I recall reading Tom's obituary a number of years ago. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 21:00:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:00:02 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <6mjg7k$gabm15@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <6mjg7k$gabm15@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231800p30bcdd9yf1c56c41227b7c53@mail.gmail.com> Dale was completely insaneon that early Monday shift. I used to stay up to catch it. I remember he hit it off with the Portland DJ and let the WLOB guy intro records every week. Dale also let another small town announcer from Woonsocket on who Donna should remember from WNEU. At Northeastern he was known as Wacksee...and he wound up running the most fleabag radio station I ever saw WNRI. They didn't even have cart machines but ran commercials with a Gates dictobelt system which had to be seen to believe. The jock had to move the head to the correct slot. I can't remember his name and I think I recall that he passed many years ago.. Donna has to know of who I speak On 2/23/08, Mark Laurence wrote: > The way I remember it, Dale Dorman would sign on a half hour early on Monday > after WRKO did its weekly testing, at 5:30. He took the opportunity to play > his favorite music, one top 40 rocker after another, and hit every post with > screaming ad lib talk-ups. It was great! I'd wake up early every Monday > morning just to listen. > > ------Original message------ > > Kvahey wrote: > > One amusing byproduct of this occurred on WRKO. Dorman had to come in > at 5AM to sign the station on and he was not a happy camper about it. > He deliberately broke format and for months turned WRKO into a > simulcast of WLOB in Portland letting the morning man there by the > name of Schnieder loose on WRKO until 6. It was hysterical. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 23 21:39:54 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:39:54 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231800p30bcdd9yf1c56c41227b7c53@mail.gmail.com > References: <6mjg7k$gabm15@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <4fc429770802231800p30bcdd9yf1c56c41227b7c53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080224024000.0A7EF1E4A2B@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Kevin wrote--- >Dale also let another small town announcer from Woonsocket on who >Donna should remember from WNEU. At Northeastern he was known as >Wacksee...and he wound up running the most fleabag radio station I >ever saw WNRI. They didn't even have cart machines but ran commercials >with a Gates dictobelt system which had to be seen to believe. The >jock had to move the head to the correct slot. Yes, I remember Waxy. I can't spell his last name though -- first name was Dick (Richard), last name was very long and Polish and was something like Iawaskiewicz. Yes, he died very young, and Ron Frizzell, who still does radio up in northern NH would probably be able to fill you in on the details. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 23 21:45:22 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:45:22 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <002201c8768d$c405f450$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <002201c8768d$c405f450$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <20080224024527.39AA91E9CDB@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:34 PM 2/23/2008, Dave Doherty wrote: >I didn't know that WMEX signed off with "Good night, Irene" (the >"I'll see you in my dreams" song). That's because it didn't. Different song. This one was a big hit in the big band era: "I'll see you in my dreams, hold you in my dreams; someone took you out of my arms, still I miss the thrill of your charms..." I don't remember all of it, but it was done by all sorts of big band singers-- even Louis Armstrong. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 21:48:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:48:18 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231848v6d289b2frd6accceff28fef72@mail.gmail.com> Dan I have the same vague recollection that it was on WBZ at one point but I remember it most being on WEEI. I believe the reason the radio networks didn't use network lines for programming after midnight was to save money with AT&T long lines. Network overnight news didn't start until the mid 70's and telco costs may have been the reason. With TV you had to call AT&T with a good night every single day even though the line was always active. As late as 1975 the only national overnight show was actually a 3 station network with KSL WHAS and WBAL. It orginated at KSL and was rebroadcast by the other 2. Herb Jepco sound right? On 2/23/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most > of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), > but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big > skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston > show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM > Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > >I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the > >show > > started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by > > American > > Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears > > that it > > also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until > > 1970 > > when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 22:00:11 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:00:11 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <20080224024000.0A7EF1E4A2B@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <6mjg7k$gabm15@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <4fc429770802231800p30bcdd9yf1c56c41227b7c53@mail.gmail.com> <20080224024000.0A7EF1E4A2B@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231900w5acecdefq4210d00be8e1218f@mail.gmail.com> I think Waxy used the name Dick Dale in Woonsocket and that maybe how he got hooked up with Dorman. I remember one Sunday night when something went screwy at WNEU. Somehow Waxy was being heard all over Eastern Ontario on 560 and he got a ton of phone calls. He called a couple of people back and they were all in the 416 area code. I don't think they ever figured out how it happened. On 2/23/08, Donna Halper wrote: > Kevin wrote--- > > >Dale also let another small town announcer from Woonsocket on who > >Donna should remember from WNEU. At Northeastern he was known as > >Wacksee...and he wound up running the most fleabag radio station I > >ever saw WNRI. They didn't even have cart machines but ran commercials > >with a Gates dictobelt system which had to be seen to believe. The > >jock had to move the head to the correct slot. > > Yes, I remember Waxy. I can't spell his last name though -- first > name was Dick (Richard), last name was very long and Polish and was > something like Iawaskiewicz. Yes, he died very young, and Ron > Frizzell, who still does radio up in northern NH would probably be > able to fill you in on the details. > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 23 22:03:52 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:03:52 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: JJ's Big Jab Stations in Portland still rely on SNR to fill time. The Big Jab has local shows from 6 AM to 10 AM and from 4PM to 6PM. They also carry Jim Rome from Noon to 3PM and lots of play-by-play sports including the Sox and the Celtics. But that still leaves them with lots of hours to fill if SNR goes away. ESPN is on 870 full-time and Fox Sports in run weekends on WZAN. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 22:27:12 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:27:12 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231927y7a9ae993v8544337d664cff8e@mail.gmail.com> SNR just doesn't have any major advertising. Well the BigJab could join the WEEI Sports Network I suppose but overnights would be a problem because of FOX. I know someone who worked for SNR in Chicago and he said their biggest billing source 4 years ago was WWZN which is a little frightening. The Chicago office handled all the billing for WWZN local accounts. On 2/23/08, Dan Billings wrote: > JJ's Big Jab Stations in Portland still rely on SNR to fill time. The Big > Jab has local shows from 6 AM to 10 AM and from 4PM to 6PM. They also carry > Jim Rome from Noon to 3PM and lots of play-by-play sports including the Sox > and the Celtics. But that still leaves them with lots of hours to fill if > SNR goes away. > > ESPN is on 870 full-time and Fox Sports in run weekends on WZAN. > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 23 22:34:58 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: Late-nite DXing In-Reply-To: <02af01c8767f$43c383b0$cb4a8b10$@net> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>, <02af01c8767f$43c383b0$cb4a8b10$@net> Message-ID: <47C09F92.26446.525360@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 19:50, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > For the next 4-1/2 years there was hardly a night I didn't go to sleep > listening to AM broadcast band "DX" on my little 5-tuber. Somewhere I > still have the reception log I kept. I lived in the Finger Lakes of > upstate NY, and my only local station went off the air before > midnight. After sundown the Syracuse stations (with patterns that > generally protected stations in my direction from them) were > non-players, so the closest nighttime Top Pop stations I normally > tuned in were WKBW, WPTR, and WMEX. During the day, my #1 choice was > the quite conservative Top 40 format and delivery of Syracuse's WFBL > "Big Six" announcers on 1390 kHz. When I was in high school, someone showed me a trick that works on most of the later-model 5-tube radios with miniature tubes and printed circuits. I never could get it to work on the earlier 5-tube radios with larger tubes and hand-wired circuits, not could I do it with solid-state radios. What you would do was connect a length of wire, about two to three yards (shorter or longer didn't work as well) across the terminals of the loop antenna. That would cause the radio to receive shortwave signals from about the six to eleven megahertz bands. Reception wasn't great, but you could get the large broadcasters, such as the BBC, Swiss Radio International, Radio Deutsche Welle, and most of the Iron Curtain countries. I did that for some time, in college and into law school until I got a regular shortwave radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 23 22:34:58 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com>, <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47C09F92.16021.525228@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 19:28, Scott Fybush wrote: > And here's a bit of oft-forgotten trivia: NBC almost did a deal with > RKO General in the early sixties to acquire WNAC AM-FM-TV. I think RKO > would have ended up with WRC AM-FM-TV in Washington in exchange. I remember reading about that in the paper. It came about the same time that WHDH-TV switched from ABC to CBS. > Had that happened, WNAC would have become an NBC O&O. One wonders what > would have happened to WBZ-TV - would Westinghouse have automatically > gone with the #2 network, CBS? Or would the company, which fancied > itself (not without cause) to be a network unto itself, have > considered affiliating with ABC, which would probably have been much > more tolerant of the frequent pre-emptions for local programming that > Westinghouse was wont to do? With WHDH-TV just signed on as a CBS affiliate, the speculation in the Boston papers at the time was that WBZ would become an ABC affiliate. I think I wrote a humorous program about it, which may have been published in the high school newspaper. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 23 22:34:58 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47C09F92.7212.5250C1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 15:12, Doug Drown wrote: > When did WNAC cease being a Mutual affiliate? The Yankee Network and > Mutual were organically connected for a long time under General > Teleradio's ownership. I gather WNAC left MBS when the network was > sold(?) I seem to recall sometime around 1960 or so, WORL becoming the Mutual affiliate in Boston, at least in the daytime, when they were on. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 23 22:48:32 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:48:32 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com>, <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <47C09F92.16021.525228@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <00b301c87698$20b68c00$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Didn't the falling-through of this deal have something to do with the FCC's revocation, after several years, of the NBC-Westinghouse swap of their Philly and Cleveland stations? That was a rather complicated state of affairs, as I recall. The swap was made in the late '50s and Westinghouse complained afterward that NBC had forced them into it. The FCC eventually stepped in and reversed it. It sticks in my mind that NBC's proposed purchase of WNAC was wrapped up in that mess somehow. Does anyone know the details? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "nnewsgroup Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Dan. Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > On 23 Feb 2008 at 19:28, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> And here's a bit of oft-forgotten trivia: NBC almost did a deal with >> RKO General in the early sixties to acquire WNAC AM-FM-TV. I think RKO >> would have ended up with WRC AM-FM-TV in Washington in exchange. > > I remember reading about that in the paper. It came about the same > time that WHDH-TV switched from ABC to CBS. > >> Had that happened, WNAC would have become an NBC O&O. One wonders what >> would have happened to WBZ-TV - would Westinghouse have automatically >> gone with the #2 network, CBS? Or would the company, which fancied >> itself (not without cause) to be a network unto itself, have >> considered affiliating with ABC, which would probably have been much >> more tolerant of the frequent pre-emptions for local programming that >> Westinghouse was wont to do? > > With WHDH-TV just signed on as a CBS affiliate, the speculation in > the Boston papers at the time was that WBZ would become an ABC > affiliate. I think I wrote a humorous program about it, which may > have been published in the high school newspaper. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 22:50:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:50:58 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> Scott I would guess Westinghouse would have gone with CBS as they already had a relationship with the eye at KDKA and KPIX. NBC was furious at WBZ as they would not clear The Tonight Show and also bumped some soaps for their daytime shows. They even cleared Regis back then when he was a nobody. WHDH was the home of The Tonight Show for close to 10 years. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Feb 23 23:00:23 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:00:23 -0500 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231156m5f8c01c0t9962f1411f4a52f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004901c87699$caca0450$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> There was a sports network named after Boston's Tunnels? (Would an updated version be the Sumner-Callahan-Williams Network?) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:56 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? The part time affilate of SNR Radio in Chicago is dropping it in March and switching to a network I thought died 10 years ago...Ron Barr's Sports Byline ( which was on WEEI back in the 590 days ) The Barr show will air on tape delay on WSCR at 1 AM. http://www.sportsbyline.com/ This network has been on borrowed time for a year since they left Chicago and relocated to Santa Monica. Losing Tony Bruno in December because they could not afford to pay him may have been the final straw. Speaking of defunct sports networks does anybody know where Tom Star might be today? He built his Sumner-Callahan Radio Network into a decent national sports outlet but he had a problem with paychecks that bounced. Of course the person who built that network landed nicely on his feet at Entercom...Jason Wolfe. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 23:34:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:34:26 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8769a$0627ec60$6601a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> <00bc01c8769a$0627ec60$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802232034yf831be1qa3aa288f3e036b66@mail.gmail.com> Group W had their own late night show that for many years was Steve Allen. They also had Mike Douglas and Merv Griffin and later David Frost. Channel 4 had to run them. Channel 5 cleared Tonight for many years but around 62 went to a 30 minute news. My dad worked at channel 5 after his WTAO-TV fiasco and told me NBC gave channel 5 Tonight because RCA was thrilled that WHDH gave RCA a huge equipment order in 1957 buying all color gear. At one point channel 4 wanted it back and NBC said no. Finally around 67 channel 4 got Carson. Channel 5 then got involved with something with a name like the Opelmeyer Network that had a new late night show from Vegas that was a disaster. Then CBS signed Merv. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 23 23:44:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:44:10 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802200538q37ed289qaf17a51df742ec10@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> <4fc429770802200538q37ed289qaf17a51df742ec10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802232044x79307503od9a532f52fda9e86@mail.gmail.com> Happy to report the staff announcer of 8-H is sounding very good tonight. Welcome back Don On 2/20/08, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Pardo became the senior booth announcer at NBC when Johnny Olson fled > to Los Angeles in the 70's to keep working. One other voice from that > era is stil active as Johnny Gilbert continues to work on Jeopardy. > Gilbert also relocated to LA the same time Olson did. > > Gilbert actually hosted The Price Is Right at NBC for a short period > when Bill Cullen became ill. > > On 2/20/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Doug Drown wrote: > > > I've always found it a bit odd that Don is very, very seldom seen on > > > Saturday Night Live, and I don't remember ever seeing him much on TV > > before > > > that, despite the ubiquitousness of his voice. Does anyone know if this > > is > > > a personal choice on his part? > > > > "Booth" needs nothing superfluous or tacky like television. He's likely > > old-school and proud of it. > > > > Happy Birthday, Mr. Pardo. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 23 23:02:06 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c8769a$0627ec60$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <> Wow. I don't remember that. I do remember that when I visited Schenectady, I was surprised to learn that The Tonight Show actually started at 11:15 rather than 11:30. The first 15 minutes weren't cleared in Boston. I can't remember whether WJAR cleared them or not. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Dan. Strassberg" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > Scott I would guess Westinghouse would have gone with CBS as they > already had a relationship with the eye at KDKA and KPIX. > > NBC was furious at WBZ as they would not clear The Tonight Show and > also bumped some soaps for their daytime shows. They even cleared > Regis back then when he was a nobody. > > WHDH was the home of The Tonight Show for close to 10 years. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Feb 24 00:06:47 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:06:47 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231358j506ceef6kfa317bffa993978c@mail.gmail.com> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> <001001c87611$e44d9370$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802230906v177b97a7je0fa0e383963f178@mail.gmail.com> <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802231124i620e911ds1b6014b45c359875@mail.gmail.com> <028a01c8765a$7f7fdf40$6401a8c0@s20208> <001f01c87664$c2a130d0$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802231358j506ceef6kfa317bffa993978c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 4:58 PM -0500 2/23/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Jonathan Schwartz is on XM channel 73 M-F 3-7 PM. He also does his >WNYC show on weekends. Never knew he worked in Boston even though he >is a huge Red Sox nut. If you ever get to the Sinatra family website (sorry, I don't have the URL handy), you will see that Nancy Sinatra really hates Schwartz's guts. This seems to be related to some negative comments Schwartz made on the air when her father passed away. This is reported to have something to do with why the Sinatra channel switched in a way from XM to Sirius. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 24 00:17:10 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:17:10 -0500 Subject: Late-nite DXing References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>, <02af01c8767f$43c383b0$cb4a8b10$@net> <47C09F92.26446.525360@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <003b01c876a4$8296e3a0$999b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Cohasset / Hippisley Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Late-nite DXing > On 23 Feb 2008 at 19:50, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > > > For the next 4-1/2 years there was hardly a night I didn't go to sleep > > listening to AM broadcast band "DX" on my little 5-tuber. Somewhere I > > still have the reception log I kept. I lived in the Finger Lakes of > > upstate NY, and my only local station went off the air before > > midnight. After sundown the Syracuse stations (with patterns that > > generally protected stations in my direction from them) were > > non-players, so the closest nighttime Top Pop stations I normally > > tuned in were WKBW, WPTR, and WMEX. During the day, my #1 choice was > > the quite conservative Top 40 format and delivery of Syracuse's WFBL > > "Big Six" announcers on 1390 kHz. > > When I was in high school, someone showed me a trick that works on > most of the later-model 5-tube radios with miniature tubes and > printed circuits. I never could get it to work on the earlier 5-tube > radios with larger tubes and hand-wired circuits, not could I do it > with solid-state radios. > > What you would do was connect a length of wire, about two to three > yards (shorter or longer didn't work as well) across the terminals of > the loop antenna. That would cause the radio to receive shortwave > signals from about the six to eleven megahertz bands. Reception > wasn't great, but you could get the large broadcasters, such as the > BBC, Swiss Radio International, Radio Deutsche Welle, and most of the > Iron Curtain countries. I did that for some time, in college and > into law school until I got a regular shortwave radio. > > -- That reminds me of a reception trick I used to employ. I had a couple of old tube shortwave radios, but neither had a BFO (beat frequency oscillator) for single-sideband reception, and I wanted to hear hams and marine radio. So I just put one radio next to another and tuned them a few hundred KHz apart (455?). Voila, no more Donald Duck audio! Howard From eforry@bostonirish.com Sat Feb 23 21:17:11 2008 From: eforry@bostonirish.com (Ed Forry) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:17:11 -0500 Subject: Jess Cain Memorial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25A8112E-2905-4683-A77A-47C7107769B9@bostonirish.com> I attended a beautiful memorial service for Jess Cain today (Sat 2/23) at Glastonbury Abbey in Hingham. The small chapel there for 10 am service was filled with perhaps 150 persons- Jess's family, and many, many close friends. Among the speakers was John "Pudge" Flynn, and he and others reminisced with many great stories from Jess' radio days, and also screened a wonderful seven minute video featuring any number of his memorable skits- Sidney Flack, Cash Call, et al., and bits of his songs- Billerica, Natick, Take My Hand I'm a stranger in Framingham, Nantasket- an insular peninsula down there in Hull, and others. The morning was not without drama- During Pudge's remarks, a man collapsed and passed out. Several persons rushed to help, Hingham police and EMTs arrived to assist, and after a 15 minute delay he was taken out on a stretcher. Pudge returned to the microphone, and told everyone: "Thankfully, there was a doctor here- Unfortunately, he's a gynecologist!" It was Jess' longtime friend and buddy, Dr. Waldo Fielding, who also spoke. BTW- the collapsed man had recovered by the time he was being wheeled out, and asked for the microphone from Pudge. He told the congregation that he and Jess had "planned this!" Later, police told me he had not needed hospitalization- but what a perfect way to celebrate the great Jess Cain's life! Pudge also reports there are plans to have a public event in his memory in June, sometime around Jess' birthday, which I think is June 16 or 17. From mike@miscon.net Sun Feb 24 01:03:15 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:03:15 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802232044x79307503od9a532f52fda9e86@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> <4fc429770802200538q37ed289qaf17a51df742ec10@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802232044x79307503od9a532f52fda9e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <.24.60.119.12.1203832995.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> > Happy to report the staff announcer of 8-H is sounding very good > tonight. Welcome back Don and looking good too! Wonderful that they had him front and center (with cake!) at the end of SNL! Mike From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 01:07:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:07:17 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <47C09F92.7212.5250C1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004101c87658$676a79d0$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <47C09F92.7212.5250C1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802232207r6bc48d27n99a703f5c2408ca3@mail.gmail.com> Sinatra was rumored to have wanted Jonathan hit back in 1980 after a savage review of an album Frank made produced by Nancy. Metromedia actually suspended him at Frank's request. Met the man once 8 years ago through a mutual friend. We spent 4 hours talking Red Sox at Joe Franklin's bar on 8th Avenue. He picked up the tab as he said he learned from me. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 01:14:41 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:14:41 -0500 Subject: A birthday to celebrate In-Reply-To: <.24.60.119.12.1203832995.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <00b101c87373$cce174e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47BC23C4.7090408@gmail.com> <4fc429770802200538q37ed289qaf17a51df742ec10@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802232044x79307503od9a532f52fda9e86@mail.gmail.com> <.24.60.119.12.1203832995.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802232214g509c290dn9485313d4d8cd1f4@mail.gmail.com> That was a wonderful thing to see. He sure doesn't look to be 90. Still is a youngster to the PA announcer at Yankee Stadium Bob Shepherd who is still going strong at the age of 98 On 2/24/08, mike@miscon.net wrote: > > > > Happy to report the staff announcer of 8-H is sounding very good > > tonight. Welcome back Don > > and looking good too! > > Wonderful that they had him front and center (with cake!) at the > end of SNL! > > Mike > From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun Feb 24 06:24:00 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:24:00 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> -----Original Message----- From: kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI NBC...even cleared Regis back then when he was a nobody. ************************ I remember seeing Regis on TV prior to 67, hosting a show whose name I don't recall, and saying to my wife, "This guy is terrible; he'll never make it." Apparently a classic case of "overnight success".... Bud Hippisley From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun Feb 24 08:01:32 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:01:32 -0500 Subject: Late-nite DXing In-Reply-To: <003b01c876a4$8296e3a0$999b4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <24561344.1203752938325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <20080223190100.1D591C604@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>, <02af01c8767f$43c383b0$cb4a8b10$@net> <47C09F92.26446.525360@joe.attorneyross.com> <003b01c876a4$8296e3a0$999b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004a01c876e5$6121e9e0$2365bda0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Howard Glazer [mailto:hmglaz@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Late-nite DXing Quoting A. Joseph Ross: > When I was in high school, someone showed me a trick that works on > most of the later-model 5-tube radios with miniature tubes and > printed circuits. I never could get it to work on the earlier 5-tube > radios.... > What you would do was connect a length of wire, about two to three > yards (shorter or longer didn't work as well) across the terminals of > the loop antenna. That would cause the radio to receive shortwave > signals from about the six to eleven megahertz bands That reminds me of a reception trick I used to employ. I had a couple of old tube shortwave radios, but neither had a BFO (beat frequency oscillator) for single-sideband reception, and I wanted to hear hams and marine radio. So I just put one radio next to another and tuned them a few hundred KHz apart (455?). Voila, no more Donald Duck audio! Howard **************** Now Bud's turn: My first receiver for hamming and "serious" AM broadcast band DXing was the borrowed chassis of a Zenith all-wave living room console that had been "de-commissioned" by some friends of ours. Like Howard, the only way I could copy CW was to find other sources of signals to "inject" in the right frequency relationship to some stage or another in the Zenith. Needless to say, I only managed to work a very few very strong stations when listening with that chassis. AJR's experiences are "proof" of sorts that the "earlier 5-tube radios" he mentions almost always contained more tuned RF circuits (hence, out-of-band selectivity) than most of the then-new (miniature tube) consumer receivers. But even after the transition to miniature tubes there was a continuous decline in quality through the 50s as manufacturers fought to maintain a $49.95 price point for "entry level" ham receivers such as the Hallicrafters S-38 series. My first "store-bought" ham receiver was a new S-38D; it was pretty stylish for its day. For its BFO it used a so-called "gimmick" capacitor that was front-panel switched to add controlled feedback around an IF stage for CW and SSB reception. No user adjustment of the CW beat note or SSB carrier offset was possible. I soon sold my "pretty" S-38D for an original battleship-gray used S-38 (no suffix) from the late 40s, which included an honest-to-goodness BFO stage with front panel tunable pitch. It was a far superior receiver. (Much to my wife's "delight", I still have one of those on display here in my great room.) I would have to say that -- with the exception of Collins Radio -- the era of the late 40s to early 60s was a period when styling was king and function took a hit at the expense of marketing price points. Throughout that period the smart money in ham circles was on *used* gear. This situation continued until the early 60s, when it became obvious to even the stodgiest of manufacturers that the Collins approach to receiver design was a winner, and *all* manufacturers had to revamp their product lines to compete. Some, like Hammarlund, never bothered to try; others, like Heath and Hallicrafters, continued on for many years with some success because of their lower prices (compared to Collins). Bud Hippisley From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 08:20:05 2008 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:20:05 +0000 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <022420081320.4882.47C16F05000C36CE000013122215561264089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> The program "American Airlines Music 'Till Dawn" was featured on WEEI after Jim Westover's Nightline Twister trivia contest. BZ had Summer then Glick. Never had music 'till dawn. If you wanted music, it was Jack Lazare on WEEI with Music Till Dawn or Norm Nathan on WHDH with Sounds in the Night. From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 08:26:05 2008 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:26:05 +0000 Subject: Is this the end of Sporting News Radio? Message-ID: <022420081326.13230.47C1706D0008129B000033AE2215561264089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Actually, the sports final on WEEI was Andelman's idea, born of his affection for Win Elliot and SportsCentral USA on the CBS radio net (it ran under different names on weekends and weekdays SportsCentral was one of them, the other may have been Sports World Roundup, although Pat Summeral also did a night sports show right before Lowell Thomas news, but I don't recall the names of each.) From rickkelly@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 08:20:11 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:20:11 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Cohasset / Hippisley < cohasset@frontiernet.net> wrote: >>I remember seeing Regis on TV prior to 67, hosting a show whose name I don't recall, and saying to my wife, "This guy is terrible; he'll never make it."<< He was also the announcer/sidekick for Joey Bishop on his late night show competing with Carson in waht - late 60's? -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 24 10:29:08 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:29:08 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <022420081320.4882.47C16F05000C36CE000013122215561264089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003f01c876fa$0151aa90$dbada742@SatU205S5044> You MAY be right that WBZ never carried Music 'Till Dawn, but I still think they did. It may well have been in the late '50s and not in the '60s. ISTR listening to MTD on WBZ in my college dorm room in Troy NY. That would have had to be spring 1956 or earlier. Of course, this could be my imagination; I can't prove that I am right any more than you are likely to be able to prove that you are. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > The program "American Airlines Music 'Till Dawn" was featured on > WEEI after Jim Westover's Nightline Twister trivia contest. BZ had > Summer then Glick. Never had music 'till dawn. If you wanted music, > it was Jack Lazare on WEEI with Music Till Dawn or Norm Nathan on > WHDH with Sounds in the Night. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 24 10:59:10 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:59:10 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> If I'm not mistaken, CBS bought WEEI 590 outright in 1937 after several years of LMAing the facility from Boston Edison. 590 was absolutely Boston's best 5 kW AM signal and, even after 680 and 850 increased to 50 kW shortly after WWII, 590 was thought by many to be fully equivalent in coverage, in the daytime anyhow, to WHDH 850 and WLAW 680. Each signal had its strong points: 680 in New Hampshire and Cape Cod, 590 in inland areas of the South Shore, and 850 in the close-in the western suburbs. (Remember that 680 did not switch from DA-1 to DA-2 operation until decades later.) I have read, however, that before it acquired 590, CBS had tried to buy 680 because it was known even then that a power increase to 50 kW would be possible. I think I read that CBS and the then owners of WLAW (the Hildreth family??) thought they had a deal at one point but the deal fell through, at which point CBS struck the deal to buy 590. Anyhow CBS apparently liked the Boston market and was even the first company to propose siteing a Boston TV station in the Needham/Newton area, where, in an application filed with the FCC as the end of the '50s TV freeze approached, it said it would locate its proposed WEEI-TV Channel 5. When it became apparent that the FCC did not look with favor on its application (I think because of the large number of stations it owned in other markets--there were MANY competing applicants for the Boston Channel 5), CBS withdrew the application. Channel 5 was eventually granted to the Herald Traveler, which built WHDH-TV, but later lost the license in a legal challenge from Boston Broadcasters. which replaced WHDH-TV with WCVB. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Dan. Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> I forgot that CBS also owned KMOX AM TV in St Louis. In any event >> CBS >> did own WBAY in Green Bay for a few years. Once CBS lost the rights >> to >> carry Packers games they sold it. > > The old rule was actually 7/7/7, but no more than 5 of the TVs could > be VHF. After brief flings with UHF O&Os in the 50s (NBC had WBUF 17 > Buffalo and WKNB 30 New Britain/Hartford; CBS had WHCT 18 Hartford > and WXIX 19, later 18, Milwaukee), each of the nets settled back to > 5 Vs. > > The canonical lineup was as follows - > > NBC: WNBC 4 NY, KNBC 4 LA, WMAQ 5 Chi, WKYC 3 Cleveland, WRC 4 DC > CBS: WCBS 2 NY, KNXT 2 LA, WBBM 2 Chi, KMOX 4 St. Louis, WCAU 10 > Phila > ABC: WABC 7 NY, KABC 7 LA, WLS 7 Chi, WXYZ 7 Detroit, KGO 7 SF > > I believe only CBS had the maximum 7 AM/FM before the rule was > changed. Those were WCBS 880/101.1 NY, KNX 1070/93.1 LA, WBBM > 780/96.3 Chicago, WCAU 1210/98.1 Philadelphia, KCBS 740/97.3 San > Francisco, WEEI 590/103.3 Boston and KMOX 1120/103.3 St. Louis. > > It's true that WEEI was the only 5 kW AM in a sea of 50s. I suspect > the logic within CBS was that WEEI's 5 kW on 590 wasn't much worse > than the directionally-impaired options up the dial at 680 and 850. > 1030 was never available. > > And here's a bit of oft-forgotten trivia: NBC almost did a deal with > RKO General in the early sixties to acquire WNAC AM-FM-TV. I think > RKO would have ended up with WRC AM-FM-TV in Washington in exchange. > > Had that happened, WNAC would have become an NBC O&O. One wonders > what would have happened to WBZ-TV - would Westinghouse have > automatically gone with the #2 network, CBS? Or would the company, > which fancied itself (not without cause) to be a network unto > itself, have considered affiliating with ABC, which would probably > have been much more tolerant of the frequent pre-emptions for local > programming that Westinghouse was wont to do? > > s From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 11:02:12 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:02:12 -0500 Subject: Moe Lauzier cut from WRKO In-Reply-To: <20080223175111.96DD08398C@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080223175111.96DD08398C@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47C19504.1030903@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Longtime talk host Moe Lauzier has been cut from WRKO, according to an announcement on his > blog and during his show this morning (I understand). Apparently informercials or > whatever they plan to put in his place is much more important to "The Talk Station". > A sad sign of the times/ Lauzier's termination is a huge deal, IMO. Don't underestimate it. We hear lots of stories about changes, cuts, etc. in radio. When they start looking for cuts on the weekend, wake the fat lady and cue the organist. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 11:20:16 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:20:16 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C19940.6050708@gmail.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Scott will jump in if I misrembered this According to Roger Clemens, that would be 'disremembered' (or was that dismembered the truth?) I digress... back to your regularly scheduled program. b - From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 11:31:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:31:58 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C19940.6050708@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <47C19940.6050708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802240831oef30f18ycb5d3813712da2ae@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if there are any country and western stations in Danbury that Roger can enjoy when he goes to Club Fed. On 2/24/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > Scott will jump in if I misrembered this > According to Roger Clemens, that would be 'disremembered' (or was that > dismembered the truth?) I digress... back to your regularly scheduled > program. > > b - > From kwillcox@wnsh.com Sun Feb 24 12:37:30 2008 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:37:30 -0500 Subject: john bachelor tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802241737.m1OHbjkq020914@tsornin.bostonradio.org> FYI, for tonight's show of John Bachelor, you can get a streaming signal. I use a program called Replay A/V and tape tons of shows. He is on WABC Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 12:41:07 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:41:07 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080224174116.4C3CE1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 08:20 AM 2/24/2008, Rick Kelly wrote: >He was also the announcer/sidekick for Joey Bishop on his late night show >competing with Carson in waht - late 60's? Good memory-- the Joey Bishop show with Regis as the sidekick went on the air first in 1967, one of the many shows that tried and failed to defeat Johnny Carson. From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun Feb 24 13:01:40 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:01:40 -0500 Subject: Regis In-Reply-To: <20080224174116.4C3CE1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com> <20080224174116.4C3CE1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <007901c8770f$4ec3d1d0$ec4b7570$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper [mailto:dlh@donnahalper.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI At 08:20 AM 2/24/2008, Rick Kelly wrote: >He was also the announcer/sidekick for Joey Bishop on his late night show >competing with Carson in waht - late 60's? Good memory-- the Joey Bishop show with Regis as the sidekick went on the air first in 1967, one of the many shows that tried and failed to defeat Johnny Carson. ************* So what was the name of the daytime or early evening show he (guest?) hosted *prior* to 67? Bud H From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 13:08:22 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:08:22 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Dan wrote-- >I have read, however, that before it acquired 590, CBS had tried to >buy 680 because it was known even then that a power increase to 50 kW >would be possible. I think I read that CBS and the then owners of WLAW >(the Hildreth family??) thought they had a deal at one point but the >deal fell through, at which point CBS struck the deal to buy 590. Couple of things here. Much of Dan's recollection is accurate, but the folks who owned WLAW and the Eagle-Tribune were the Rogers family, who ultimately decided it was too expensive to run a radio station and sold it off (they had put it on the air in December of 1937) As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to be, based on all of my files... WBZ had Jerry & Sky in 1953. "Music Till Dawn" was cancelled in 1969 and the critics in just about every market where the show had run were very very very upset by that. According to a couple of program guides I found from 1954, it absolutely was on WEEI at that time. It also ran on WCBS, which you could certainly hear in Boston late at night. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 13:15:03 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:15:03 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com><002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com><47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com><004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> > As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by > American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to > be, based on all of my files... It was a CBS Network offerring...but with local hosts? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 24 13:39:10 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:39:10 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com><002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com><47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com><004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044><20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> Absolutely. There was a different host in every market in which the show appeared. The program was not fed over the network. AND it was NOT unique in that regard. There was at least one other program that appeared on CBS radio stations in the same manner--Housewives' Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? It was a half hour (I believe) daily monologue about houshold products--soaps, cleansers, etc--that truly delivered on the excitement of its name ;>( On WCBS, the host was Galen Drake. On WEEI, it was Morgan Baker, I believe. >From the standpoint of on-air sound, these hosts were 100% interchangeable (like Harold Perry and Willard Waterman on the Great Gildersleeve). I remember when Drake had to take a few weeks off for some reason and they brought in the HPL guy from another city as the substitute host. He actually used his air name from that city on WCBS, but I'd say that he sounded even more like Drake than Drake himself did, so if the substitute had called himself Galen Drake, I don't think one listener in 1000 would have known that it was somebody else. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Donna Halper" ; "BRI" Cc: "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > >> As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by >> American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to >> be, based on all of my files... > > > It was a CBS Network offerring...but with local hosts? > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Feb 24 14:08:29 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:08:29 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com><002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com><47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com><004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044><20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> >>Housewives' Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? Sounds like a great name for a rock group or a comedy troupe. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Don A" ; "Donna Halper" ; "BRI" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > Absolutely. There was a different host in every market in which the > show appeared. The program was not fed over the network. AND it was > NOT unique in that regard. There was at least one other program that > appeared on CBS radio stations in the same manner--Housewives' > Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? It was a half hour > (I believe) daily monologue about houshold products--soaps, cleansers, > etc--that truly delivered on the excitement of its name ;>( On WCBS, > the host was Galen Drake. On WEEI, it was Morgan Baker, I believe. >>From the standpoint of on-air sound, these hosts were 100% > interchangeable (like Harold Perry and Willard Waterman on the Great > Gildersleeve). I remember when Drake had to take a few weeks off for > some reason and they brought in the HPL guy from another city as the > substitute host. He actually used his air name from that city on WCBS, > but I'd say that he sounded even more like Drake than Drake himself > did, so if the substitute had called himself Galen Drake, I don't > think one listener in 1000 would have known that it was somebody else. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don A" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "BRI" > > Cc: "Dan Strassberg" > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > >> >>> As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by >>> American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to >>> be, based on all of my files... >> >> >> It was a CBS Network offerring...but with local hosts? >> > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 14:26:31 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:26:31 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com><002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044><006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com><47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com><004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044><20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47C1C4E7.5060904@gmail.com> Doug Drown wrote: >>> Housewives' > Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? > > Sounds like a great name for a rock group or a comedy troupe. -Doug > An early incarnation of "Nurturing the Carbon Footprint Within" perhaps? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 15:19:16 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:19:16 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C1C4E7.5060904@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <47C1C4E7.5060904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 02:26 PM 2/24/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Doug Drown wrote: >>>>Housewives' >>Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? Joke all you want, guys, but actually the show served a very useful purpose when it first went on the air in 1925 (!) in New York and appeared in various incarnations after that. Back then, most people were barely educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many cities, and rural poor people often left school in the 8th grade. As a result, radio was seen as an educational service in many ways, and some of the housewife shows, in addition to plugging lots of products, actually gave important and factual information about nutrition, and taught listeners how to avoid outrageous pricing, various health scams, etc. It was an era of various "doctors" making false claims, and shows like these provided the facts. They also helped rural homemakers to feel a sense of community with those who lived in the bigger cities. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Feb 24 15:46:34 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:46:34 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <47C1C4E7.5060904@gmail.com> <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002801c87726$58b15b60$6601a8c0@DougDrown> Only kidding. ;-) You've made a good point. I have to confess I had never heard of the program. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Don A" ; "BRI" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > At 02:26 PM 2/24/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >>Doug Drown wrote: >>>>>Housewives' >>>Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? > > Joke all you want, guys, but actually the show served a very useful > purpose when it first went on the air in 1925 (!) in New York and appeared > in various incarnations after that. Back then, most people were barely > educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many cities, and rural > poor people often left school in the 8th grade. As a result, radio was > seen as an educational service in many ways, and some of the housewife > shows, in addition to plugging lots of products, actually gave important > and factual information about nutrition, and taught listeners how to avoid > outrageous pricing, various health scams, etc. It was an era of various > "doctors" making false claims, and shows like these provided the facts. > They also helped rural homemakers to feel a sense of community with those > who lived in the bigger cities. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 15:56:26 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:56:26 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <019901c87711$470b9570$6401a8c0@s20208> <000701c87714$8daa0400$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <001801c87718$a5443410$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <47C1C4E7.5060904@gmail.com> <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C1D9FA.3000902@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Joke all you want, guys, but actually the show served a very useful > purpose when it first went on the air in 1925 (!) Now, Donna, you were right with your first word, 'Joke" since that is _all_ that it is -- satire. I have to go bang some rocks together. Fire good. Eat. Bill O'Neill // From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 16:10:31 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <60636.63079.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Didn't CBS buy at least a half interest in Raytheon's licence for channel 2 in the early 50s? ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: kvahey@comcast.net Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest ; Dan. Strassberg Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:40:46 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI I forgot that CBS also owned KMOX AM TV in St Louis. In any event CBS did own WBAY in Green Bay for a few years. Once CBS lost the rights to carry Packers games they sold it. On 2/23/08, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Scott will jump in if I misrembered this > > I *think* the rules were 5 TV 6 AM and 6 FM stations were the most one > owner could have. > > CBS had AM outlets in NY LA Chicago Philadelphia San Francisco and > Boston. When they bought a station in Dallas they had to sell WEEI and > they were sold to Papa Gino's pizza. > > TV they owned NY LA Chicago Philadelphia and Green Bay. Green Bay??????? > > What I was told years ago was they did want to buy Channel 5 and 850 > but the Herald never had a license to sell. They bought Green Bay to > hold the 5th slot until the Herald won the court case which never > happened. They wanted nothing to do with WCVB because they feared too > many preemptions of the network. CBS was so desperate in 1971 they > were looking into buying WXPO Channel 50 and printed a rather lengthy > booklet about doing so. They wanted to move 50 to FM128 but the idea > fizzled. CBS wanted nothing to do with RKO General but finally went > back to 7. > > > > On 2/23/08, Doug Drown wrote: > > This raises a good question. To my knowledge --- correct me if I'm > > wrong --- ALL of CBS' O&Os were 50 kw stations except WEEI. Why didn't > CBS > > ever try to change that situation? For example, they might have tried to > > buy WHDH (with WHDH-TV thrown in for good measure). Was such a move ever > > considered? Seems to me it would have been smart strategically. > > > > -Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) > Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that, at some point, Music 'Till Dawn was on WBZ. Most > > > of the CBS O&Os were 50 kW (WCBS, WCAU, WTOP, WCCO. KMOX, KCBS, KNX), > > > but the old WEEI 590 was not. American Airlines loved those big > > > skywave signals and when they got the chance, they moved the Boston > > > show to, arguably, the biggest nighttime signal of all (in the US). > > > > > > ----- > > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > > > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:40 PM > > > Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > > > > >>I just did I search on 'Music Till Dawn' on google. It appears the > > >>show > > >> started on the CBS owned stations in 1953 and was sponsored by > > >> American > > >> Airlines. It was unusual as it had a classical format. It appears > > >> that it > > >> also showed up in some markets on non CBS stations. It lasted until > > >> 1970 > > >> when CBS then pulled the plug at WCBS to go to all news. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 24 16:13:28 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:13:28 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> Not QUITE so fast there, Donna: After mulling this for a while, I suddenly remembered that the name of the WLAW licensee was Hildreth and Rogers. At least that's what I thought. Could I have imagined the Hildreths? I Googled Hildreth and Rogers with quotes around it and lo, I got five hits, all of which referred to newspapers and three of which, including the first, referred to WLAW. So I can't argue about the Rogers family and its connection to newspapers in Lawrence and WLAW but Hildreths were apparently also involved. My mind doesn't always play tricks on me. Now, were the Hildreths minority shareholders? Did their name come first in the corporate name because H comes before R in the alphabet? Could be. Sometimes, however, the name that comes first holds a majority interest. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > >>Dan wrote-- >>I have read, however, that before it acquired 590, CBS had tried to >>buy 680 because it was known even then that a power increase to 50 >>kW >>would be possible. I think I read that CBS and the then owners of >>WLAW >>(the Hildreth family??) thought they had a deal at one point but the >>deal fell through, at which point CBS struck the deal to buy 590. > > Couple of things here. Much of Dan's recollection is accurate, but > the folks who owned WLAW and the Eagle-Tribune were the Rogers > family, who ultimately decided it was too expensive to run a radio > station and sold it off (they had put it on the air in December of > 1937) > > As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by > American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to > be, based on all of my files... WBZ had Jerry & Sky in 1953. > "Music > Till Dawn" was cancelled in 1969 and the critics in just about > every > market where the show had run were very very very upset by > that. According to a couple of program guides I found from 1954, it > absolutely was on WEEI at that time. It also ran on WCBS, which you > could certainly hear in Boston late at night. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 16:27:23 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:27:23 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 04:13 PM 2/24/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Not QUITE so fast there, Donna: Well, I didn't know it was a contest, Dan! ;-) Dan also wrote-- >After mulling this for a while, I >suddenly remembered that the name of the WLAW licensee was Hildreth >and Rogers. At least that's what I thought. Could I have imagined the >Hildreths? No, not at all. You are correct that the company was originally Hildreth and Rogers. But by the time WLAW came onto the scene, it was the Rogers family (led by Alexander Rogers and then his son Irving Rogers) who were the most directly involved with radio. Every story in the newspapers, including in the Eagle and Tribune papers, spoke of the Rogers family's commitment to radio broadcasting. The Hildreths? Not so much. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 16:50:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:50:24 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> I have a question that has puzzled me for years. How the heck did WNAC wind up with such a lousy dial position and signal? They got shafted being sent to 1260. Did Shepherd have problems with Washington? From paul@derrynh.net Sun Feb 24 17:27:35 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:27:35 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000301c87734$75f58ad0$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> "Back then, most people were barely educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many cities, and rural poor people often left school in the 8th grade". *** I realize this is somewhat off topic.....but do NOT begrudge the level of education 75-100 years ago. I was shown an 8th grade test from 1895 that I believe most undergrads today would fail. An 8th grade education in the 20's is actually quite equivalent to a bachelors' degree today. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:19 PM To: Bill O'Neill; Doug Drown Cc: BRI; Dan.Strassberg; Don A Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI At 02:26 PM 2/24/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Doug Drown wrote: >>>>Housewives' >>Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? Joke all you want, guys, but actually the show served a very useful purpose when it first went on the air in 1925 (!) in New York and appeared in various incarnations after that. Back then, most people were barely educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many cities, and rural poor people often left school in the 8th grade. As a result, radio was seen as an educational service in many ways, and some of the housewife shows, in addition to plugging lots of products, actually gave important and factual information about nutrition, and taught listeners how to avoid outrageous pricing, various health scams, etc. It was an era of various "doctors" making false claims, and shows like these provided the facts. They also helped rural homemakers to feel a sense of community with those who lived in the bigger cities. From sid@wrko.com Sun Feb 24 17:26:12 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:26:12 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <000301c87734$75f58ad0$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20080224201922.177941B4269@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <000301c87734$75f58ad0$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB92CF9F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I realize this is somewhat off topic.....but do NOT begrudge the level of education 75-100 years ago. I was shown an 8th grade test from 1895 that I believe most undergrads today would fail. An 8th grade education in the 20's is actually quite equivalent to a bachelors' degree today.<< No disagreement with that, but I think Donna's point was that many people never got that far. In a still very much agrarian society, children often left school earlier than we would have, because they were needed at home. Education became much more important after the Industrial Revolution. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 17:31:39 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:31:39 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080224223145.4AD491D5BA7@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 04:50 PM 2/24/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I have a question that has puzzled me for years. How the heck did WNAC >wind up with such a lousy dial position and signal? They got shafted >being sent to 1260. Did Shepherd have problems with Washington? True that. Shepard and the FCC did not get along. (For those not familiar with the late great John Shepard 3rd, he is a forgotten pioneer of broadcasting... I don't know if Garrett put up my new and revised history of his achievements, but they go on for pages and pages)... Shepard and the FCC had a love-hate relationship. Shepard believed very strongly in law and order-- the concept of justice, not the TV show-- and he was by all accounts a conservative Republican. But when it came to the FCC, he often disliked the way they used their power. Conversely, the FCC thought Shepard was a pain in the butt-- he was outspoken and frequently complained about what he felt were excessive and arbitrary rules and regulations that favoured the big networks (NBC and CBS) at the expense of the "little guy". The so-called Mayflower Decision was ostensibly about making sure stations were neutral about politics, but it was really a way to get back at Shepard-- long story, better told some other time. Anyway, before the FCC came along in 1934, there was the FRC (Federal Radio Commission), created by the Radio Act of 1927. The members were mostly big corporate guys, and they didn't seem to like Shepard much either. (In fairness, people who knew him said he could be really annoying-- arrogant, tactless, impatient. BUT he was passionately committed to local broadcasting, including local news and local music. He was remarkably egalitarian for his era, putting women into executive positions, hiring black musicians as early as 1922, putting a rabbi and synagogue services on the air, and fighting for radio's right to get press credentials and cover news like the newspapers did.) The FRC didn't do WNAC any favours by giving the station such a poor dial position, while giving NBC's stations much of what they wanted, and removing 123 popular community stations from the air for no apparent reason-- not surprising though. They were pro-NBC, pro-GE, pro-CBS, and not big fans of local broadcasters whom they perceived as constantly complaining. Shepard fought the poor dial position for years, but to no avail. It didn't change till after he died. That's one reason he started the Yankee network and the Colonial Network-- to try to get his programming on stations with better dial positions and more powerful signals. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Feb 24 19:26:57 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:26:57 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002101c87745$22859e10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Of what Hildreths are we speaking? Gov. Horace Hildreth and family who owned broadcasting stations in Maine (and still own WABI-TV)? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > At 04:13 PM 2/24/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>Not QUITE so fast there, Donna: > > Well, I didn't know it was a contest, Dan! ;-) > > Dan also wrote-- >>After mulling this for a while, I >>suddenly remembered that the name of the WLAW licensee was Hildreth >>and Rogers. At least that's what I thought. Could I have imagined the >>Hildreths? > > No, not at all. You are correct that the company was originally Hildreth > and Rogers. But by the time WLAW came onto the scene, it was the Rogers > family (led by Alexander Rogers and then his son Irving Rogers) who were > the most directly involved with radio. Every story in the newspapers, > including in the Eagle and Tribune papers, spoke of the Rogers family's > commitment to radio broadcasting. The Hildreths? Not so much. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Feb 24 19:42:31 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:42:31 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <000301c87734$75f58ad0$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <002801c87747$4ed1e120$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Off-topic indeed, but worth pointing out: turn-of-the-century prep school students knew not only one modern language, but Latin and, in many cases, Greek as well. I have a notebook of my mother's from public school ninth grade (1930, if I have it figured correctly). My mother certainly didn't consider herself an intellectual or even a stellar student, but her spelling, penmanship, and general grasp of English grammar was almost astonishing in comparison to what I've seen produced by the high school seniors for whom I've been a substitute teacher. I have an acquaintance who taught at a broadcasting school during the 1980s and early '90s. He was dumbfounded by the fact that many of the incoming students couldn't put together a decent sentence, to say nothing of not having a concept of what it would mean to write copy. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Donna Halper'" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; "'Doug Drown'" Cc: "'BRI'" ; "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; "'Don A'" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: RE: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > "Back then, most people > were barely educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many > cities, and rural poor people often left school in the 8th grade". > > *** > > I realize this is somewhat off topic.....but do NOT begrudge the level of > education 75-100 years ago. I was shown an 8th grade test from 1895 that I > believe most undergrads today would fail. An 8th grade education in the > 20's > is actually quite equivalent to a bachelors' degree today. > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:19 PM > To: Bill O'Neill; Doug Drown > Cc: BRI; Dan.Strassberg; Don A > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > At 02:26 PM 2/24/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >>Doug Drown wrote: >>>>>Housewives' >>>Protective League. How's that for an exciting name? > > Joke all you want, guys, but actually the show served a very useful > purpose when it first went on the air in 1925 (!) in New York and > appeared in various incarnations after that. Back then, most people > were barely educated-- high school was considered a luxury in many > cities, and rural poor people often left school in the 8th grade. As > a result, radio was seen as an educational service in many ways, and > some of the housewife shows, in addition to plugging lots of > products, actually gave important and factual information about > nutrition, and taught listeners how to avoid outrageous pricing, > various health scams, etc. It was an era of various "doctors" making > false claims, and shows like these provided the facts. They also > helped rural homemakers to feel a sense of community with those who > lived in the bigger cities. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 20:23:47 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:23:47 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <002801c87747$4ed1e120$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <000301c87734$75f58ad0$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> <002801c87747$4ed1e120$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <20080225012352.96C7244C2C4@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:42 PM 2/24/2008, Doug Drown wrote: >Off-topic indeed, but worth pointing out: turn-of-the-century prep >school students knew not only one modern language, but Latin and, in >many cases, Greek as well. And even the average public school back then expected a lot more in the 8th grade than we expect of a college freshman-- and that's no exaggeration; I have a collection of old textbooks. That said, my point wasn't to insult people who attended only up to the 8th grade, nor people from the country. My point (and I think most people on this list know it, except for those who really enjoy turning everything into an argument) was that in the rural part of the US, many kids didn't go to school because they were needed to work on the farm, and girls especially were not encouraged to get educated. Thus, radio became an educational vehicle, and so-called "women's shows" served a very useful function in that era. Lots of articles were written about that.... From paul@derrynh.net Sun Feb 24 21:19:29 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:19:29 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080225012352.96C7244C2C4@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002701c87754$db276750$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> My aside was not assuming any insult by anyone....I was simply stating an observation. I did not intend to assume anyone was being insulted... -Paul Hopfgarten -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper [mailto:dlh@donnahalper.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:24 PM To: Doug Drown; paul@derrynh.net; 'Bill O'Neill' Cc: 'BRI'; 'Dan.Strassberg'; 'Don A' Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI At 07:42 PM 2/24/2008, Doug Drown wrote: >Off-topic indeed, but worth pointing out: turn-of-the-century prep >school students knew not only one modern language, but Latin and, in >many cases, Greek as well. And even the average public school back then expected a lot more in the 8th grade than we expect of a college freshman-- and that's no exaggeration; I have a collection of old textbooks. That said, my point wasn't to insult people who attended only up to the 8th grade, nor people from the country. My point (and I think most people on this list know it, except for those who really enjoy turning everything into an argument) was that in the rural part of the US, many kids didn't go to school because they were needed to work on the farm, and girls especially were not encouraged to get educated. Thus, radio became an educational vehicle, and so-called "women's shows" served a very useful function in that era. Lots of articles were written about that.... From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 21:24:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:24:45 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> <003a01c876d7$c0e37f00$42aa7d00$@net> <521b7fd10802240520n13150257v721c93090f42805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802241824i354de447i8d0b9472a30d8457@mail.gmail.com> Regis was a Westinghouse host and it was called The Regis Philben Show from LA. I recall the show was terrible and it didn't last long and was surprised to see him surface with Bishop. ABC also tried a late night show with the forgettable Les Crane. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 24 21:28:42 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:28:42 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <002701c87754$db276750$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20080225012352.96C7244C2C4@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <002701c87754$db276750$92c23e18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <20080225022847.CF2961B407A@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 09:19 PM 2/24/2008, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >My aside was not assuming any insult by anyone....I was simply stating an >observation. Guys, before this deteriorates, let me say that I've been really sick the past week and am not my usual sweet charming self. SO, if I offended anyone, that was not my purpose. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 21:39:28 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:39:28 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C09F92.16021.525228@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com>, <47C09F92.16021.525228@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47C1E410.30659.483876@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 22:34, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > With WHDH-TV just signed on as a CBS affiliate, the speculation in the > Boston papers at the time was that WBZ would become an ABC affiliate. > I think I wrote a humorous program about it, which may have been > published in the high school newspaper. That should be a humorous "poem." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 21:39:28 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:39:28 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com>, <4fc429770802231950o6de3ef58m4fb4e7dd33bf312d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C1E410.1487.4839AF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 22:50, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > WHDH was the home of The Tonight Show for close to 10 years. WHDH-TV came on the air as an ABC affiliate, but it carried many CBS and NBC shows that the other stations didn't carry. It carried "Meet the Press" for awhile, as well as Huntley-Brinkley and Douglas Edwards news programs. As I recall, before WHDH-TV came on the air, WGBH was carrying Meet the Press and Huntley-Brinkley, without commercials. WHDH-TV also carried some of NBC's mid-afternoon game shows, "Tic Tac Dough" and "It Could Be You." On the other hand, Channel 7 continued to carry ABC's Mickey Mouse Club for another year after Channel 5 came on, probably because of contractual obligations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 21:39:29 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:39:29 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802232034yf831be1qa3aa288f3e036b66@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <00bc01c8769a$0627ec60$6601a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770802232034yf831be1qa3aa288f3e036b66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Feb 2008 at 23:34, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > At one point channel 4 wanted it back and NBC said no. Finally around > 67 channel 4 got Carson. Channel 5 then got involved with something > with a name like the Opelmeyer Network that had a new late night show > from Vegas that was a disaster. Then CBS signed Merv. The Overmeyer Network, founded by Daniel Overmeyer. By the time it actually went on the air with a late-night show, it was the Untied Network. Apparently Overmeyer needed more investors and had to change the name to get them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 24 23:10:24 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:10:24 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c87665$c18ac250$c8eda644@SatU205S5044> <006c01c87667$f4ba2c90$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> Part of WNAC's problems were self-inflicted, though. In those days, two-site AM operations were VERY rare, so it probably never occurred to anyone that WNAC might operate ND days from, say, Wellington Circle, which, because of its central location, is the best AM site in metro Boston from which to operate ND. At night, WNAC was pretty much forced to operate from a site south of Boston because it had to protect what was then WOL, a co-channel station in Washington DC. Back in the '30s, however, from its Quincy location, WNAC COULD have directionalized by day as well as by night. That would have improved its daytime coverage of most of metro Boston at the expense of some reduction in its daytime coverage of the South Shore. Interestingly, WNAC's neighbor in N Quincy, WMEX, operated DA-1 with a pattern quite similar to WNAC's night pattern. In those days, WMEX's problems weren't so much with its daytime signal but rather, its 5 kW directional nighttime signal wasn't adequate to overcome the potent first-adjacent skywaves on 1500 and 1520. WNAC didn't have significant nighttime first-adjacent problems back then, though. However, not long after WWII, the situation changed, first with 1270 on the NH seacoast and then with1250 in Manchester hemming it in to the north by day. The addition of those stations was probably the last straw for the ownership, which by that time had probably shifted to Genral Tire. I believe that it was General that came up with the even better idea of buying WLAW, moving WNAC to 680, and selling the 1260 facility. That move took place around 1953 or 1954. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >I have a question that has puzzled me for years. How the heck did >WNAC > wind up with such a lousy dial position and signal? They got shafted > being sent to 1260. Did Shepherd have problems with Washington? From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 00:09:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:09:49 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken care of. Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the board? How did established who got clear channels? Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for example. CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps the first station in North America with a license. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 24 23:21:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:21:19 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <00bc01c8769a$0627ec60$6601a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802232034yf831be1qa3aa288f3e036b66@mail.gmail.com> <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802242021n75a91290ie4f60177cc4da61f@mail.gmail.com> The fact that I was even that close to the name scares me. My Dad told me that the Herald was promised NBC if they bought all color equipment from RCA. Never happened for who knows why but it was quite the investment in 1957 considering ABC and color was 8 years away. BTW Joe A classmate of yours at UMass sends regards. Glenn Briere who did sports at the student station and still goes to most UMass home games. On 2/24/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 23 Feb 2008 at 23:34, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > At one point channel 4 wanted it back and NBC said no. Finally around > > 67 channel 4 got Carson. Channel 5 then got involved with something > > with a name like the Opelmeyer Network that had a new late night show > > from Vegas that was a disaster. Then CBS signed Merv. > > The Overmeyer Network, founded by Daniel Overmeyer. By the time it > actually went on the air with a late-night show, it was the Untied > Network. Apparently Overmeyer needed more investors and had to > change the name to get them. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 25 00:43:47 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:43:47 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18370.21907.368636.404543@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > south. Not so. See . You forgot, at a minimum, CFRB, CFCN, and CKY. (I believe CFCN and CKY were privately-owned CBC affiliates, and both stations moved to other channels when they dropped the CBC affiliation some time after WW2. This allowed CBW to take over 990 in Winnipeg, and the new CBR to take over 1010 in Calgary; meanwhile, the old CBR had become CBU, moving to 690 and opening up 1130 for a commercial station in Vancouver.) CFRB had been on 690 (a clear channel) before NARBA, and moved to 860 (one of the new Canadian clear channels) thereafter. Although the CBC (then the regulator as well as the public broadcaster) later forced CFRB to swap 860 for its 1010 signal in Toronto, CFRB remained a clear-channel station: 1010 was a class-IB. (The allocations situation with 1010 in Toronto is not dissimilar to the issues with 1060 in Philadelphia. In both cases, a late-arrival class-IB station has to protect a much older class-II station to its east, with the result being a much tighter directional pattern than was usual for clear-channel stations.) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 01:33:56 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:33:56 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <18370.21907.368636.404543@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <18370.21907.368636.404543@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802242233n1dc897d5u7c6fb20c4e4c4088@mail.gmail.com> Looking at it from a Montreal angle which at the time was the largest city in Canada. CKAC had clout in Ottawa as they got the best non government signal out of Montreal. CJAD should have gotten the signal that CKLW was given. The irony is CKLW protects CJAD but was allowed to beam into the US. In Toronto both CFRB and CHUM had to protect NY stations but you have the absurd full boat assignment of 860. In Montreal CFCF wound up with a far weaker signal than CJAD. On 2/25/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > > Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > > south. > > Not so. See > . > > You forgot, at a minimum, CFRB, CFCN, and CKY. (I believe CFCN and > CKY were privately-owned CBC affiliates, and both stations moved to > other channels when they dropped the CBC affiliation some time after > WW2. This allowed CBW to take over 990 in Winnipeg, and the new CBR > to take over 1010 in Calgary; meanwhile, the old CBR had become CBU, > moving to 690 and opening up 1130 for a commercial station in > Vancouver.) CFRB had been on 690 (a clear channel) before NARBA, and > moved to 860 (one of the new Canadian clear channels) thereafter. > Although the CBC (then the regulator as well as the public > broadcaster) later forced CFRB to swap 860 for its 1010 signal in > Toronto, CFRB remained a clear-channel station: 1010 was a class-IB. > > (The allocations situation with 1010 in Toronto is not dissimilar to > the issues with 1060 in Philadelphia. In both cases, a late-arrival > class-IB station has to protect a much older class-II station to its > east, with the result being a much tighter directional pattern than > was usual for clear-channel stations.) > > -GAWollman > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 25 08:02:40 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:40 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com><47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com><004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044><20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044><20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com><003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044><4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <18370.21907.368636.404543@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c877ae$b6481010$37eca644@SatU205S5044> Although the substance of what you said about CFRB and KYW is true, I don't think you can say that KYW's pattern is much tighter than is typical for a Class IB--the array has only two towers. WWKB is a rather typical ex-IB and, like many such stations in the US, it has a three-tower array. The nearest full-time Class B that is co-channel to WWKB is in Toledo OH, I believe--roughly the same distance from Buffalo as WBIX is from Philadelphia. Also, aren't there two directional daytimers on 1520 a very short distance apart in northEAST Ohio? Those stations are much closer to WWKB than any AM 1060 is to KYW. As for CFRB's Class A status, has it been a IB/A ever since its move to 1010 (which took place either concurrently with NARBA or shortly thereafter)? Or had it, like the majority of Canada's As, been a Class II until about 20 years ago? My understanding is that CFRB, like most, if not all, of those newly minted Canadian Class As (including CKAC) is an A in name only. That is, its nighttime-skywave coverage is not protected from co-channel interference. For sure, CFRB's night pattern (whichever one they are using) is more complex and restrictive than those of other US or Canadian ex-IBs but, in complexity, is not more restrictive than those of any number of Canadian ex Class IIs that run 50 kW at night. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > < >> CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in >> Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to >> beam >> south. > > Not so. See > . > > You forgot, at a minimum, CFRB, CFCN, and CKY. (I believe CFCN and > CKY were privately-owned CBC affiliates, and both stations moved to > other channels when they dropped the CBC affiliation some time after > WW2. This allowed CBW to take over 990 in Winnipeg, and the new CBR > to take over 1010 in Calgary; meanwhile, the old CBR had become CBU, > moving to 690 and opening up 1130 for a commercial station in > Vancouver.) CFRB had been on 690 (a clear channel) before NARBA, > and > moved to 860 (one of the new Canadian clear channels) thereafter. > Although the CBC (then the regulator as well as the public > broadcaster) later forced CFRB to swap 860 for its 1010 signal in > Toronto, CFRB remained a clear-channel station: 1010 was a class-IB. > > (The allocations situation with 1010 in Toronto is not dissimilar to > the issues with 1060 in Philadelphia. In both cases, a late-arrival > class-IB station has to protect a much older class-II station to its > east, with the result being a much tighter directional pattern than > was usual for clear-channel stations.) > > -GAWollman > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Feb 25 08:38:38 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:38:38 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c877b3$baa75940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in >Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam >south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps the first station in North America with a license. CKAC 730, if memory serves, was Montreal's second station and, though it broadcast primarily in French, was bilingual. It was Montreal's CBS affiliate for many years. That may have had something to do with it. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable > channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken > care of. > > Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on > 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. > > When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the > board? How did established who got clear channels? > > Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned > adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for > example. > > CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > the first station in North America with a license. From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Feb 25 10:12:46 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:46 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231457g2d5f19c0pf93e98f53c10c8e5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770802231540r1266239ch59376782a56d855a@mail.gmail.com> <47C0BA39.9060904@fybush.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c877b3$baa75940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <008501c877c0$e14d12d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> > Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned adjacent > clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for example. I had noticed that before, but I assumed it was something the networks had arranged. I gather it's also no accident that the original CBS, NBC, and ABC television O&Os were given uniform channel allocations (CBS got 2 in NY, LA and Chicago, NBC got 4, ABC got 7). Westinghouse and GE also got priority; WBZ-TV, Westinghouse's first TV O&O, got 4 and General Electric's WRGB originally got 4 in Schenectady. Both were, of course, NBC affiliates. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > >CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > >Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > >south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > the first station in North America with a license. > > CKAC 730, if memory serves, was Montreal's second station and, though it > broadcast primarily in French, was bilingual. It was Montreal's CBS > affiliate for many years. > That may have had something to do with it. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > >> OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable >> channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken >> care of. >> >> Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on >> 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. >> >> When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the >> board? How did established who got clear channels? >> >> Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned >> adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for >> example. >> >> CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in >> Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam >> south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps >> the first station in North America with a license. > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 11:16:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:16:15 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <008501c877c0$e14d12d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c877b3$baa75940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <008501c877c0$e14d12d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802250816g55750b4x755f2d608e215392@mail.gmail.com> NBC didn't get 4 in Chicago as WBKB came first. Then in a complicated move we discussed a few weeks ago. CBS bought WBKB and moved it to Channel 2 and changed the calls to WBBM. The WBKB calls moved to Channel 7 and later became WLS. This all happened for 2 reasons. The FCC had to move WTMJ Milwaukee from channel 3 as it was to close to another 3 in Michigan. ABC had to sell either 4 or 7 because of a merger with Paramount and elected to keep 7 because of the NY connection. CBS only paid 6 million for WBKB but got the O&O it craved in Chicago. Having NBC move to channel 4 at that point would have been problematic as you really couldn't give WTMJ channel 5 as Milwaukee was also assigned the vacant channel 6 that was held up by the freeze. Today Channel 6 in Milwaukee is involved in a curious move by FOX as they are selling a number of the old Storer stations they bought from New World. Before the sale New World made 6 a FOX affilate dropping CBS for one reason...to keep the Milwaukee rights to the Packers. On 2/25/08, Doug Drown wrote: > > Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned adjacent > > clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for example. > > I had noticed that before, but I assumed it was something the networks had > arranged. I gather it's also no accident that the original CBS, NBC, and > ABC television O&Os were given uniform channel allocations (CBS got 2 in NY, > LA and Chicago, NBC got 4, ABC got 7). Westinghouse and GE also got > priority; WBZ-TV, Westinghouse's first TV O&O, got 4 and General Electric's > WRGB originally got 4 in Schenectady. Both were, of course, NBC affiliates. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Drown" > To: ; "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > >CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > > >Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > > >south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > > the first station in North America with a license. > > > > CKAC 730, if memory serves, was Montreal's second station and, though it > > broadcast primarily in French, was bilingual. It was Montreal's CBS > > affiliate for many years. > > That may have had something to do with it. -Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > > >> OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable > >> channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken > >> care of. > >> > >> Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on > >> 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. > >> > >> When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the > >> board? How did established who got clear channels? > >> > >> Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned > >> adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for > >> example. > >> > >> CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > >> Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > >> south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > >> the first station in North America with a license. > > > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:43:16 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:43:16 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio Message-ID: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> Even as I wrote that subject line I debated as to whether or not I had to guts to boast of my increasing personal TSLs off of the bird given my radio roots. (I am coming up on my annual renewal and had actually kept fairly quiet about my subscription here! ) Terrestrial stations that give me a reason to stay local get my time. Terrestrials who behave like a coast-to-coast product are losing their reason to exist because satellite technology is neat (unless you're under a tunnel but we have forgiven AM for the same curse). This is not a shot at great stations like WDEV (96.1//550). Even WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah), who is wall to wall music, is uniquely tailored to this community with great plans. There's VPR, of course. There are a couple more, but that is about it - and most of those are on the venerable AM band - WVMT (620 Burlington) and WGY (810 Schenectady). The irony in all of this is there is so much that satellite providers can't do that locals can do, by design. Once HD radio signals and receivers penetrate local markets it may be too late for stations who neglected their charter members! Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Feb 25 13:03:40 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:03:40 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <004501c876fe$335924b0$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224180828.3FC2A1CD4EE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c877b3$baa75940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <008501c877c0$e14d12d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802250816g55750b4x755f2d608e215392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c877d8$c13ed1a0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> My bad. I had forgotten that WMAQ in Chicago is 5, not 4. I hadn't known about Chicago and Milwaukee's convoluted TV history, either. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: ; "Dan. Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > NBC didn't get 4 in Chicago as WBKB came first. Then in a complicated > move we discussed a few weeks ago. CBS bought WBKB and moved it to > Channel 2 and changed the calls to WBBM. The WBKB calls moved to > Channel 7 and later became WLS. > > This all happened for 2 reasons. The FCC had to move WTMJ Milwaukee > from channel 3 as it was to close to another 3 in Michigan. ABC had to > sell either 4 or 7 because of a merger with Paramount and elected to > keep 7 because of the NY connection. CBS only paid 6 million for WBKB > but got the O&O it craved in Chicago. > > Having NBC move to channel 4 at that point would have been problematic > as you really couldn't give WTMJ channel 5 as Milwaukee was also > assigned the vacant channel 6 that was held up by the freeze. > > Today Channel 6 in Milwaukee is involved in a curious move by FOX as > they are selling a number of the old Storer stations they bought from > New World. Before the sale New World made 6 a FOX affilate dropping > CBS for one reason...to keep the Milwaukee rights to the Packers. > > > On 2/25/08, Doug Drown wrote: >> > Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned adjacent >> > clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for example. >> >> I had noticed that before, but I assumed it was something the networks >> had >> arranged. I gather it's also no accident that the original CBS, NBC, and >> ABC television O&Os were given uniform channel allocations (CBS got 2 in >> NY, >> LA and Chicago, NBC got 4, ABC got 7). Westinghouse and GE also got >> priority; WBZ-TV, Westinghouse's first TV O&O, got 4 and General >> Electric's >> WRGB originally got 4 in Schenectady. Both were, of course, NBC >> affiliates. >> >> -Doug >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Drown" >> To: ; "Dan.Strassberg" >> Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" >> >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:38 AM >> Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >> >> >> > >CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in >> > >Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam >> > >south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps >> > the first station in North America with a license. >> > >> > CKAC 730, if memory serves, was Montreal's second station and, though >> > it >> > broadcast primarily in French, was bilingual. It was Montreal's CBS >> > affiliate for many years. >> > That may have had something to do with it. -Doug >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: "Dan.Strassberg" >> > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" >> > >> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:09 AM >> > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >> > >> > >> >> OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable >> >> channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken >> >> care of. >> >> >> >> Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on >> >> 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. >> >> >> >> When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the >> >> board? How did established who got clear channels? >> >> >> >> Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned >> >> adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for >> >> example. >> >> >> >> CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in >> >> Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam >> >> south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps >> >> the first station in North America with a license. >> > >> >> From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:21:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:21:45 -0500 Subject: North American Radio Broadcasting Agreement - was Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <4fc429770802251021k4933d408g7f07a59c5c355aaf@mail.gmail.com> Was CFRB as restrictive to the southeast in 1941 as they are today? 1010: new Canadian clear http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=CFRB&service=AM&status=F&hours=N WINS of course protects CFRB but the reality is in upstate NY you seldom get either ( yet even with the lousy night signal WINS beats WCBS in the ratings ) http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WINS&service=AM&status=L&hours=N Now this is the one where politics had to be involved in Ottawa 800: new Canadian clear CKLW was moved to 800 but it seems like their signal was designed to allow CJAD Montreal to be born after the war ended. I would also like to know the story on how CFCF got hosed completly. They certainly deserved better than the horrible 600 signal they had. On 2/25/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > > Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > > south. > > Not so. See > . > > You forgot, at a minimum, CFRB, CFCN, and CKY. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:23:48 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:23:48 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <00aa01c877d8$c13ed1a0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8772a$1d425f80$dbada742@SatU205S5044> <20080224212729.C93E81CFDFE@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802241350h39a799a3x45ede796e56ab14b@mail.gmail.com> <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802242109k24adf746o872e0ceaf224caaf@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c877b3$baa75940$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <008501c877c0$e14d12d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770802250816g55750b4x755f2d608e215392@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c877d8$c13ed1a0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802251023y5a7aa66u64d248f8956f3762@mail.gmail.com> This explains the Chicago saga http://www.chicagotelevision.com/WBKB.htm On 2/25/08, Doug Drown wrote: > My bad. I had forgotten that WMAQ in Chicago is 5, not 4. I hadn't known > about Chicago and Milwaukee's convoluted TV history, either. -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: ; "Dan. Strassberg" ; > "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > > NBC didn't get 4 in Chicago as WBKB came first. Then in a complicated > > move we discussed a few weeks ago. CBS bought WBKB and moved it to > > Channel 2 and changed the calls to WBBM. The WBKB calls moved to > > Channel 7 and later became WLS. > > > > This all happened for 2 reasons. The FCC had to move WTMJ Milwaukee > > from channel 3 as it was to close to another 3 in Michigan. ABC had to > > sell either 4 or 7 because of a merger with Paramount and elected to > > keep 7 because of the NY connection. CBS only paid 6 million for WBKB > > but got the O&O it craved in Chicago. > > > > Having NBC move to channel 4 at that point would have been problematic > > as you really couldn't give WTMJ channel 5 as Milwaukee was also > > assigned the vacant channel 6 that was held up by the freeze. > > > > Today Channel 6 in Milwaukee is involved in a curious move by FOX as > > they are selling a number of the old Storer stations they bought from > > New World. Before the sale New World made 6 a FOX affilate dropping > > CBS for one reason...to keep the Milwaukee rights to the Packers. > > > > > > On 2/25/08, Doug Drown wrote: > >> > Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned adjacent > >> > clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for example. > >> > >> I had noticed that before, but I assumed it was something the networks > >> had > >> arranged. I gather it's also no accident that the original CBS, NBC, and > >> ABC television O&Os were given uniform channel allocations (CBS got 2 in > >> NY, > >> LA and Chicago, NBC got 4, ABC got 7). Westinghouse and GE also got > >> priority; WBZ-TV, Westinghouse's first TV O&O, got 4 and General > >> Electric's > >> WRGB originally got 4 in Schenectady. Both were, of course, NBC > >> affiliates. > >> > >> -Doug > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Doug Drown" > >> To: ; "Dan.Strassberg" > >> Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > >> > >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > >> > >> > >> > >CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > >> > >Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > >> > >south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > >> > the first station in North America with a license. > >> > > >> > CKAC 730, if memory serves, was Montreal's second station and, though > >> > it > >> > broadcast primarily in French, was bilingual. It was Montreal's CBS > >> > affiliate for many years. > >> > That may have had something to do with it. -Doug > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: > >> > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > >> > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > >> > > >> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:09 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > >> > > >> > > >> >> OK we know politics played a major role in what stations got favorable > >> >> channel assignments. NBC Westinghouse and GE especially were taken > >> >> care of. > >> >> > >> >> Directional patterns arrived in the early 30's after the the test on > >> >> 620 that involved Milwaukee and Tampa. > >> >> > >> >> When did the government then start to calculate patterns across the > >> >> board? How did established who got clear channels? > >> >> > >> >> Obviously it was no accident that NY and Chicago were assigned > >> >> adjacent clear channels. 660 670, 710 720, 770 780, 880 890 for > >> >> example. > >> >> > >> >> CBC got all the Canadian clears with the exception of French 730 in > >> >> Montreal which was one of the few private broadcasters allowed to beam > >> >> south. Marconi's CFCF really got hosed considering they were perhaps > >> >> the first station in North America with a license. > >> > > >> > >> > > From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Feb 25 13:47:28 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:47:28 -0800 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> References: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Monday, February 25, 2008, at 12:51PM, "Bill O'Neill" wrote: > >The irony in all of this is there is so much that satellite providers >can't do that locals can do, by design. Once HD radio signals and >receivers penetrate local markets it may be too late for stations who >neglected their charter members! And yet, every time a vacancy opens up for a talk host, most of the messages I read here suggest putting a syndicated host in the slot. Mark From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 25 14:09:16 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:09:16 -0500 Subject: North American Radio Broadcasting Agreement - was Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802251021k4933d408g7f07a59c5c355aaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802251021k4933d408g7f07a59c5c355aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18371.4700.212124.471862@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Was CFRB as restrictive to the southeast in 1941 as they are today? > 1010: new Canadian clear > WINS of course protects CFRB but the reality is in upstate NY you > seldom get either ( yet even with the lousy night signal WINS beats > WCBS in the ratings ) Remember that WINS and CFRB reengineered their patterns about a decade ago to allow both stations to broaden their coverage, creating a zone of mutual interference in much of upstate NY and New England which had not existed before. Also remember that CFRB wasn't on 1010 in 1941: it was on 860, and 1010 belonged to CBY (previously a class-III-ish facility on 1420). I suspect the old NRC Night Pattern Book would show what the old CFRB and WINS patterns looked like. > Now this is the one where politics had to be involved in Ottawa > 800: new Canadian clear > CKLW was moved to 800 but it seems like their signal was designed to > allow CJAD Montreal to be born after the war ended. CKLW had been on 1030. -GAWollman From peterh5322@rattlebrain.com Mon Feb 25 14:05:17 2008 From: peterh5322@rattlebrain.com (PeterH5322) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:05:17 -0800 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <200802251905.m1PJ5Hrk072943@mail.cruzio.com> > (The allocations situation with 1010 in Toronto is not dissimilar to > the issues with 1060 in Philadelphia. In both cases, a late-arrival > class-IB station has to protect a much older class-II station to its > east, with the result being a much tighter directional pattern than > was usual for clear-channel stations.) Canadian Class I-As are: 540, 690, 740, 860, 990, 1010 and 1580. 540 was Watrous, than Regina, and now Watrous, again. This was exclusive to Canada until the U.S.-Mexican agreement was signed in about 1955, whereupon Mexico got a Class I-A on 540, the only case of two co-channel Class I-As. I don't know what the Canadians were up to. They should have defended their I-A allocation on 540 more effectively. 540 is the result of reducing the "same market" minimum channel separation from 50 kHz before 1941 to 40 kHz after 1941, and extending the BCB down to 540 from 550. The international MW emergency channel is (was then) 500 KHz, and every market, everywhere had to protect 500 KHz, so by reducing the "same market" spacing to 40 kHz, 540 KHz thereby became available. In this respect, 500 Khz is considered to be a channel which is allocated to EVERY market, EVERYWHERE, although only on an emergency basis. 690 is Montreal. Somehow, Mexico got a Class I-B on 690, but the I-A is in Montreal. 740 is in Toronto. As with most I-As, there are no other Class Is on 740. 860 is in Toronto. As with most I-As, there are no other Class Is on 860. 990 is in Winnipeg, ND1, as are almost all I-As. There were no other Class Is on 990. There is now another, in Newfoundland, grandfathered at 10 kW. 1010 is in Calgary. DA-1 as are a few I-As. 1010 came from the U.S. allocations. KQW in San Jose, which some say was the first commercial BC station, was on 1010. Calgary's DA accomplishes two things: first, its pattern minimum is pointed directly at New York, but, of course, Toronto is in a direct line between Calgary and New York, and second, Calgary's pattern maximum is pointed directly at San Jose, and which dramatically reduces the usefulness of 1010 in Southwestern U.S., but most particularly in the San Francisco Bay area. If CTRC wants to call CFRB a Class I-B, then why not as Canada effectively "owns" 1010. The fact that WINS is in New York just means that CFRB will have to protect Calgary and any other 1010, even one of lesser class which existed before. Including the 1010 in Little Rock, which Westinghouse bought and took dark as Little Rock's pattern maximum was pointed directly at WINS. At least two of CFRB's notified patterns still protects Little Rock, and those notifications are for a Class B station in Toronto. It is the most recent notifications of CFRB which are for a Class A, and which do not protect Little Rock, although these do protect Calgary and New York. 1580 remained one of only two I-As which was operating at 10 kW. The other was 1540, on which the U.S. had a 50 kW Class I-B. (The night pattern for the U.S. Class I-B on 1540 allowed for a U.S. Class I-B in the Southwestern U.S., most probably Los Angeles or Phoenix, but Los Angeles was built as a Class II-B, while Phoenix got a Class II-D daytimer on 1540, and Mexico got a Class II-B in Hermosillo, and which has since moved or has been deleted). "Rio" forced the two I-As which were operating at 10 kW to operate at 50 kW, and both CBU (1580) and ZNS-1 (1540) installed DAs and operated with 50 kW after "Rio". CBU went to FM and the Class A on 1580 was moved several times, both at 10 kW. Concurrently with "Rio" the Class II-B on 1580 in Hermosillo, which had been operating ND with 100 kW days and 50 kW nights was forced to abandon 100 kW operations. "Rio" also allowed any non-U.S. and non-Canadian Class A to increase day power from whatever they were before "Rio" to 100 kW days after "Rio", yet the night power had to remain as before, which meant 10 kW for the three Mexicans on 1000, 1140 and 1190, which were grandfathered at 10 kW. So far, 1000 is now operating with 50 kW days and 10 kW nights, and 1190 is now operating with 50 kW days and 10 kW nights, but 1140 is still operating with 10 kW days and nights, although all are free to operate with 100 kW days and 50 kW nights, although operating above 10 kW nights will require a DA at least during night operations, and possibly also during day operations. With specific reference to 1060 in Philadelphia, recall that clear channels used to be 10 kW, and so also was KYW when in Chicago, and upon its initial operations in Philadelphia. NARBA gave the U.S. Class II-B priorities on 1050 and 1220, with the proviso being that New York and Cleveland were to be the COLs, and that operations were to be 50 kW DA-1, and that the entire U.S-Mexican border, and any point within the boundaries of "The United Mexican States" be protected during all hours. This causes some grief for KYW, then at 10 kW, and presumably ND1, and once the required parameters for the installation of a complying 50 kW DA-1 operation on 1050 in New York were determined, the parameters for a 50 kW operation in Philadelphia could be determined. In essence, the international allocation to New York of a Class II-B on 1050 determined the fate of a U.S. Class I-B in Philadelphia. The Class I-B in Mexico, D.F. on 1060 is 100 kW days, 20 kW nights, ND. 50 kW days, before "Rio". So, KYW "elected" (that is, it was forced to) install a widely-spaced DA which protects New York with its adjustable nulls, and it also protects Mexico, D.F., with the pattern minima which is not adjustable except by changing the array spacing. I suppose KYW could have installed a three-tower DA, with two conventionally-spaced towers during days, and which protected only New York, and two widely-spaced towers during nights, and which protected New York as well as Mexico, D.F., but Westinghouse elected not to do so. The present DA-1 at KYW is no worse than the DA-1 on 1140 at Richmond, although it seems pretty clear that Richmond started out as a I-A with DA-1 on 1110. "Rio" also forced Class I-Bs, now called Class As, to protect first-adjacents if their facilities changed. So, Cincinnati's 1530 installed a four-tower DA which protects 1520 (Buffalo) and 1540 (ZNS-1) at night, along with providing better night service to the COL, when its former three-tower DA was destroyed and was rebuilt. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 14:22:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:22:34 -0500 Subject: North American Radio Broadcasting Agreement - was Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <18371.4700.212124.471862@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802251021k4933d408g7f07a59c5c355aaf@mail.gmail.com> <18371.4700.212124.471862@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802251122k2f3fcbebj21f2b43eba15c99@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of 860 Does Radio-Canada plan to eliminate the AM blowtorch in Toronto? I would think that might be a touchy problem given the climate of things between the 2 cultures. On 2/25/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Was CFRB as restrictive to the southeast in 1941 as they are today? > > 1010: new Canadian clear > > > WINS of course protects CFRB but the reality is in upstate NY you > > seldom get either ( yet even with the lousy night signal WINS beats > > WCBS in the ratings ) > > Remember that WINS and CFRB reengineered their patterns about a decade > ago to allow both stations to broaden their coverage, creating a zone > of mutual interference in much of upstate NY and New England which had > not existed before. Also remember that CFRB wasn't on 1010 in 1941: > it was on 860, and 1010 belonged to CBY (previously a class-III-ish > facility on 1420). I suspect the old NRC Night Pattern Book would > show what the old CFRB and WINS patterns looked like. > > > Now this is the one where politics had to be involved in Ottawa > > 800: new Canadian clear > > > CKLW was moved to 800 but it seems like their signal was designed to > > allow CJAD Montreal to be born after the war ended. > > CKLW had been on 1030. > > -GAWollman > From lglavin@mail.com Mon Feb 25 16:09:31 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:09:31 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Dan.Strassberg" , "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:08:22 -0500 >As for "Music Till Dawn," it went on the air in 1953, sponsored by >American Airlines, and the CBS network was where the show seemed to >be, based on all of my files... WBZ had Jerry & Sky in 1953. >"Music Till Dawn" was cancelled in 1969 and the critics in just >about every market where the show had run were very very very upset >by that. According to a couple of program guides I found from >1954, it absolutely was on WEEI at that time. It also ran on WCBS, >which you could certainly hear in Boston late at night. I don't know in which month of 1969 "Music Till Dawn" disappeared, but WCRB, which was then a classical-music station, chose to go to a 24-hour-a-day operation in the subsequent year, 1970. Richard L. Kaye made the announcement during his annual Beethoven's Birthday Party, that year, the Great One's 200th (Ludwig, not Richard). -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 18:42:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:42:47 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs at every major Boston station. IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the same rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate paid at WCBS. Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as he demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in master control who babysat the delay system. From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Feb 25 18:55:04 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:55:04 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> References: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080225235513.B192A565DB2@mail3.wildblue.net> At 12:43 PM 2/25/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Even as I wrote that subject line I debated as to whether or not I >had to guts to boast of my increasing personal TSLs off of the bird >given my radio roots. (I am coming up on my annual renewal and had >actually kept fairly quiet about my subscription here! >) Terrestrial stations that give me a reason to stay local get >my time. Terrestrials who behave like a coast-to-coast product are >losing their reason to exist because satellite technology is neat >(unless you're under a tunnel but we have forgiven AM for the same curse). I don't follow the logic here. You say you've migrated to satellite radio because terrestrial isn't local-sounding enough. Isn't that like saying you've switched from McDonald's to Burger King because you don't like fatty food? Satellite radio doesn't impress me much. The audio quality is just horrific. Can't put my finger on it, but it sounds harsh & fatigue sets in quickly. Some people don't seem to notice/mind, but I can't listen for long. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 25 19:28:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:28:17 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: References: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802251628g6a67d7deha7a8f28a2a39a8df@mail.gmail.com> Funny thing is you would think Entercom would want more local shows on RKO given the success shown by EEI down the hall. I do recall one time listeners rioted when a station pulled a local show in favor of syndicated. Remember WBZ's disaster with Tom Snyder? Syndicated talk was slow to take hold. Mutual tried it with Long John around 1977 and he was so bad they were down to 28 stations. Then in desperation they tried a guy from WIOD in Miami...Larry King. That started the nightime explosion of satellite talk. Then Rush proved it could work in the day as well. Radio has been a sewer ever since. XM audio doesn't bother me except for the compression on the traffic channel. On 2/25/08, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > On Monday, February 25, 2008, at 12:51PM, "Bill O'Neill" > wrote: > > > >The irony in all of this is there is so much that satellite providers > >can't do that locals can do, by design. Once HD radio signals and > >receivers penetrate local markets it may be too late for stations who > >neglected their charter members! > > And yet, every time a vacancy opens up for a talk host, most of the messages > I read here suggest putting a syndicated host in the slot. > > Mark > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Feb 25 20:15:06 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02f201c87815$06b7bc10$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Interesting story --- and I would guess Westinghouse Electric's pockets were deeper than CBS's. Just goes to show ya: When it comes to spending money, them that has the most complain the loudest. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs at > every major Boston station. > > IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the same > rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate > paid at WCBS. > > Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system > to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician > must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards > with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > > I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as he > demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in > master control who babysat the delay system. From dillane@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 25 20:25:35 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:25:35 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI Message-ID: <009001c87816$86f313b0$94d93b10$@net> >I don't know in which month of 1969 "Music Till Dawn" disappeared... It must have been something like 12/31/69. I remember hearing the show after I started school in Boston in September, 1969. WUNR carried a similar nation-wide overnight show that was sponsored by Holiday Inn, and hosted by a woman calling herself Dolly Holiday. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:35:33 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:35:33 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: <20080225235513.B192A565DB2@mail3.wildblue.net> References: <47C2FE34.6030802@gmail.com> <20080225235513.B192A565DB2@mail3.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <47C37AF5.6090504@gmail.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I don't follow the logic here. You say you've migrated to satellite > radio because terrestrial isn't local-sounding enough. Isn't that > like saying you've switched from McDonald's to Burger King because you > don't like fatty food? It's like this -- I prefer terrestrial stations. When I find one that has a strong local programming presence (music or talk) I listen. Intently. When I find one that is pretty much automated, there's a chance that I will head up to the bird to see what's there. 80% of my listening is in the car in Vermont so there tends to be lots of hopping around the dial out of necessity. Gotta go. That Quarter Pounder is calling. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 09:15:05 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:15:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio Message-ID: <629377.94292.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Funny thing - when I worked at WMRC in Milford, MA there were a group of people who thought the satellite programming hours were local and the local people were actually on the bird! ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill O'Neill To: SteveOrdinetz Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:35:33 PM Subject: Re: Why I listen to satellite radio SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I don't follow the logic here. You say you've migrated to satellite > radio because terrestrial isn't local-sounding enough. Isn't that > like saying you've switched from McDonald's to Burger King because you > don't like fatty food? It's like this -- I prefer terrestrial stations. When I find one that has a strong local programming presence (music or talk) I listen. Intently. When I find one that is pretty much automated, there's a chance that I will head up to the bird to see what's there. 80% of my listening is in the car in Vermont so there tends to be lots of hopping around the dial out of necessity. Gotta go. That Quarter Pounder is calling. Bill O'Neill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 10:14:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:14:31 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio References: <629377.94292.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8788a$4cab64e0$5befa644@SatU205S5044> A lot of the Satellite feeds to terrestrial stations took (take?) great pains not to destroy that impression. I am mainly familiar with some of the AS services, which allowed for drop-ins of local positioners voiced by the network talent. The positioner voices were those of the network personality airing in that daypart. When done properly, which some stations managed--even smoothly integrating the satellite feed with their automation--the whole setup could easily fool anyone but a radio pro or a total radio geek like me. The most humorous component was, of course, the call-in contests in which great care had to be taken to avoid any local content: "Let's talk with this hour's winner, Mary Smith, who lives on Elm St." I wonder if people who would otherwise have won were rejected because their street names were not suffucently generic--and, of course, the name of the winner's town was NEVER mentioned. The next step, which I heard on only one network (not AS, but a pre-teen format)--the short-lived KidStar, IIRC, was dayparting, which became practical when high-capacity hard drives came far enough down in price. Stations would stream the content from the bird to the local hard drive and delay it appropriately for the time zone. Local time checks suddenly became practical--because they could be part of the satellite feed! (No more 27 minutes past the hour!) AND those contests had to be localized. No fair requiring the people on Pacific time to know exactly when to call in three hours before their local station would air the contest. The national toll-free numbers were replaced by local numbers. Winners could mention their towns. But, of course, the conversations with winners had to be hosted by local talent, somewhat spoiling the illusion. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Why I listen to satellite radio > Funny thing - when I worked at WMRC in Milford, MA there were a > group of people who thought the satellite programming hours were > local and the local people were actually on the bird! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill O'Neill > To: SteveOrdinetz > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:35:33 PM > Subject: Re: Why I listen to satellite radio > > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> I don't follow the logic here. You say you've migrated to >> satellite >> radio because terrestrial isn't local-sounding enough. Isn't that >> like saying you've switched from McDonald's to Burger King because >> you >> don't like fatty food? > It's like this -- I prefer terrestrial stations. When I find one > that > has a strong local programming presence (music or talk) I listen. > Intently. When I find one that is pretty much automated, there's a > chance that I will head up to the bird to see what's there. 80% of > my > listening is in the car in Vermont so there tends to be lots of > hopping > around the dial out of necessity. Gotta go. That Quarter Pounder > is > calling. > > Bill O'Neill > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:33:28 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:33:28 -0500 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: <000801c8788a$4cab64e0$5befa644@SatU205S5044> References: <629377.94292.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000801c8788a$4cab64e0$5befa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C43F58.40001@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > When done > properly, which some stations managed--even smoothly integrating the > satellite feed with their automation--the whole setup could easily > fool anyone but a radio pro or a total radio geek like me. It can certainly sound flawless. Until the multi-car pile-up on Route 91. I guess I am asking a bit too much when I suggest that a news reporter (even serving a number of stations) be on duty to help make sense of news when it happens. Jock in a box if you want, but local information is the one and only product that networks and birds are incapable of selling. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 11:46:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:46:20 -0500 Subject: observation about WEEI Message-ID: <4fc429770802260846j208bcdd9yd342ffc1c2d44921@mail.gmail.com> My 16 year old asked me a question yesterday which I really don't know the thought process involved. Why doesn't WEEI ever mention the time? For that matter no temperature or traffic updates either. One would think the vast majority of Big Show and D&C listeners are in cars. Another thing that bugs me is calling the sports flash 20-20 when it isn't. They only do it twice an hour instead of 3 times like WFAN does. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 26 12:40:46 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:40:46 -0500 Subject: observation about WEEI Message-ID: <20080226174046.BE67883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes maybe the 20-20 flash is more like a 30-30, or maybe that's just during am and pm drive. Time, temp, traffic, weather? You have WBZ for that I guess. Speaking of sports radio, WEEI's mostly-syndie, sometimes-local competition at AM 890 (WAMG) might not last too much longer. Boston Sports Media watch says their sales director was laid off and probably won't be replaced; the lease on their building expires soon, and no possible buyer has been reported. Would Disney step in to keep ESPN alive locally? http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/?p=567 From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 12:52:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:52:24 -0500 Subject: observation about WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080226174046.BE67883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080226174046.BE67883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802260952l4fe085cep273581b913c5bf16@mail.gmail.com> Disney would have 2 options 1260 where Radio Disney has no listeners or 1510 which has less listners than Radio Disney On 2/26/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Yes maybe the 20-20 flash is more like a 30-30, or maybe that's just during am and pm drive. > > Time, temp, traffic, weather? You have WBZ for that I guess. > > Speaking of sports radio, WEEI's mostly-syndie, sometimes-local competition at AM 890 (WAMG) might > not last too much longer. Boston Sports Media watch says their sales director was laid > off and probably won't be replaced; the lease on their building expires soon, and no > possible buyer has been reported. Would Disney step in to keep ESPN alive locally? > > http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/?p=567 > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 13:18:52 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:18:52 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <20080226174046.BE67883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001701c878a4$0bfe6450$5befa644@SatU205S5044> If no prospective buyers have materialized, it's because the asking price is too high. Guaranteed, when the price comes down enough, somebody will be interested. 890 is too good a facility to stay dark for very long. Heck, Davidson, the owner of 1510, ought to be interested. If nothing else, he could sell 1510 and buy 890; the operating costs have to be lower and the revenue potential is about the same. And what about Eddie Andelman? He wanted to buy 1510 a while back. I can't recall what J-Sports paid for 890. Actually, it was 890 plus 1400; Mega sold them as a package. This time, they might be split up; Costa could well want 1400 but not 890. If we knew the last selling price and could get the new one, we would have some sort of benchmark on how much AM stick values have declined in what? five years? (Kind of like saying, if we had eggs, we could have ham and eggs for breakfast--if we had ham.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: observation about WEEI Speaking of sports radio, WEEI's mostly-syndie, sometimes-local competition at AM 890 (WAMG) might not last too much longer. Boston Sports Media watch says their sales director was laid off and probably won't be replaced; the lease on their building expires soon, and no possible buyer has been reported. Would Disney step in to keep ESPN alive locally? http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/?p=567 From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Feb 26 13:23:00 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:23:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio In-Reply-To: <629377.94292.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <629377.94292.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34490.63.118.166.2.1204050180.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> "Maureen Carney" wrote: > Funny thing - when I worked at WMRC in Milford, MA there were a group of > people who thought the satellite programming hours were local and the > local people were actually on the bird! I ran into a similar thing when I was half the airstaff at what was then WNHQ in Peterborough, N.H. in the early 90s. We ran satellite programming outside of drivetimes (and crudely automated at that...for network drops we had 3 cart machines: one with generic liners, one with legal ID and another with the weather...no attempt to utilize the network jocks voices in magic calls. Stopsets were manually constructed on a reel). We would often get requests for the mid-day jock (satellite) to do either appearances or voice spots. Another time I took a call from a very irate listener because the dj was talking about the Grammys (or some other national entertainment story), but made no mention of the fact that driving was bad. She had no idea (and really didn't care) that the jock was in Chicago or Denver or somewhere. Fact of the matter is that while we, as radio geeks may be aware of voicetracking or syndication, the vast majority of listeners do not. The only time they notice is when we talk about something that happened last week or are totally unaware of a major local event. From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Feb 26 13:29:19 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:19 -0500 Subject: observation about WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802260952l4fe085cep273581b913c5bf16@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080226174046.BE67883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802260952l4fe085cep273581b913c5bf16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't be so sure Radio Disney has no listeners. Their target market is children 6-11, which isn't encompassed in the 12+ ratings. It's not the kind of station adults are going to write into a ratings diary. There's a reason ABC kept their Radio Disney stations when they sold off the rest of their radio division. Believe it or not, Radio Disney makes money. There are quite a few local sponsors on 1260. Jordan's Furniture used to be a major client on that station. I don't know if they're still on anymore. Considering there is no local programming, and the service is free to WMKI since they're owned by the Mouse, I'm sure the local spotload more than covers the handful of salaries and overhead. 1510 could be an option, but their new owners seem to like the brokered programming route rather than actively selling content so I doubt they'd do it. I still think someone will try all sports on FM, and if the ESPN affiliation becomes available, I could see Greater Media or CBS jumping in and flipping one of their FM's to sports and mixing local shows along with the ESPN programming. With all three sports networks cleared in this market, a potential FM sports talker would not have had any content for nights and weekends. The ESPN affiliation becoming available makes FM sports talk a viable option. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Disney would have 2 options > > 1260 where Radio Disney has no listeners > > or 1510 which has less listners than Radio Disney > > > > On 2/26/08, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Yes maybe the 20-20 flash is more like a 30-30, or maybe that's >> just during am and pm drive. >> >> Time, temp, traffic, weather? You have WBZ for that I guess. >> >> Speaking of sports radio, WEEI's mostly-syndie, sometimes-local >> competition at AM 890 (WAMG) might >> not last too much longer. Boston Sports Media watch says their >> sales director was laid >> off and probably won't be replaced; the lease on their building >> expires soon, and no >> possible buyer has been reported. Would Disney step in to keep >> ESPN alive locally? >> From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 13:46:05 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:46:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: <001701c878a4$0bfe6450$5befa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 1. I wouldn't rely on David Scott being accurate when it comes to media matters. He's a part of the blogosphere that believes in just tossing stuff out and seeing where it sticks. 1a. 890/1400 supposedly has been for sale for months, even the past couple years, if you believe the rumors. Nothing has materialized. Does this mean the rumors are false? Of course not. What it does say, though, is that J-Sports hasn't been that desperate to sell, if it is trying to sell. If it were, the stations would be sold by now, since one of the major groups would do a buy on the cheap. 2. I'd be surprised if the stations weren't breaking even. I'm guessing that ESPN is paying for 890/1400 to clear programming in the Boston market. Wasn't the lease payment on 1050 New York pretty generous to the Jewish Forward folk? 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the transmitter lease? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From francini@mac.com Tue Feb 26 13:13:49 2008 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:13:49 -0500 Subject: observation about WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802260846j208bcdd9yd342ffc1c2d44921@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802260846j208bcdd9yd342ffc1c2d44921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most every car on the road has a clock in it these days. And temperature/weather updates would break up the 'flow' of the discussions. They don't always hew to their hourly 'clock' very well. Imagine how it would be if there was also time/temp/traffic breaks. Frankly, I like it just as it is. And I'm thankful that the Big Show, in particular, is chronically late to end -- since I often don't get to my car until about 17:55, I stand a good chance of hearing the bulk of the Whiner Line (my favorite segment) because Glenn is perennially late. If I want the traffic, I just punch the next preset (for WBZ) on a Three, listen to the traffic, and then pop right back. For the weather, I go to WBZ on a Ten, listen, and go back. Fortunately, WBZ is reasonably reliable, though they do tend to be sometimes as much as a minute late with the traffic or weather. Might be on purpose to ensure that at least one minute of ads is heard. john On 26 Feb 2008, at 11:46, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > My 16 year old asked me a question yesterday which I really don't know > the thought process involved. > > Why doesn't WEEI ever mention the time? > > For that matter no temperature or traffic updates either. One would > think the vast majority of Big Show and D&C listeners are in cars. > > Another thing that bugs me is calling the sports flash 20-20 when it > isn't. They only do it twice an hour instead of 3 times like WFAN > does. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 13:51:22 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:51:22 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <001701c878a4$0bfe6450$5befa644@SatU205S5044> <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802261051t383834e5i51f0be180d35beea@mail.gmail.com> 3 yes 2 But ESPN HAD to be on in New York ( Boston not so much ) 1 Felger actually quit his job at the Herald and continues to be a free lancer for the paper. Now his wife is unemployed and can she stay in the market? On 2/26/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > 1. I wouldn't rely on David Scott being accurate when it comes to media > matters. He's a part of the blogosphere that believes in just tossing > stuff out and seeing where it sticks. > > 1a. 890/1400 supposedly has been for sale for months, even the past > couple years, if you believe the rumors. Nothing has materialized. Does > this mean the rumors are false? Of course not. What it does say, > though, is that J-Sports hasn't been that desperate to sell, if it is > trying to sell. If it were, the stations would be sold by now, since > one of the major groups would do a buy on the cheap. > > 2. I'd be surprised if the stations weren't breaking even. I'm guessing > that ESPN is paying for 890/1400 to clear programming in the Boston > market. Wasn't the lease payment on 1050 New York pretty generous to > the Jewish Forward folk? > > 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the > transmitter lease? From bill.smith@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 14:21:39 2008 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:21:39 +0000 Subject: Why I listen to satellite radio Message-ID: <022620081921.19686.47C466C2000F3B9800004CE62215575474089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> I prefer satellite, mainly because earth-bound stations are run by dullards who follow each other around in circles using interchangable "talent" in interchangeable formats. And the stop sets, badly produced, badly written and poorly executed, become a bigger and bigger turn-off as their quality declines. This just in: Joe Blow was today named program director of Blah-109. Said Blow: "I'm thrilled to have the challenge to program this heritage property and with the faith that cluster Executive Vice President for Stations Programming Music and Hot Talk North of Delaware Sally Weasel has placed in me as we move to the next level. It has always been my dream to work at Blah-109 and now I'm getting the opportunity. With Sally and the support of MediaCoCorpIncLimitedCom, I'll know we'll give Pottstown exciting radio" Formerly with MegaStationMonopolyCorp's Dull-87 in Dubuque prior to its recent flip to PowerLighteningTower-87, Blow is a 2005 graduate of Pottstown Regional Vocational High School. Weasel, named to her post last year after 5 months in sales at sister station Septic-101, said "When we did our market analysis and focus groups we knew we needed someone strong and dynamic who could put us over the top and I knew in our first meeting that Joe was the guy who can really take Bla h-109 and make it a core property in our North of Delaware cluster segment operational format group." Blow replaces market vet Sterling Silvertongue who resigned suddenly this morning to pursue his lifelong dream of selling voice-overs on the Internet. Weasel added that no changes in air staff are contemplated. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 14:38:47 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:47 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <001701c878a4$0bfe6450$5befa644@SatU205S5044> <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770802261051t383834e5i51f0be180d35beea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c878af$37f45af0$3bf8a742@SatU205S5044> But the terms on the just-completed deal (LMA with option to buy) for WENJ 1040 in Flemington NJ were also rather generous, IIRC. You can try, of course, to explain away the generous terms by pointing out that 1050 in New York is directional to the northeast to protect KYW and WENJ is in central NJ and first-adjacent to 1050; the WENJ deal is one of two that attempt to boost ESPN's coverage in the New York metro more-or-less to parity with WFAN. (The other deal is an LMA of an FM in eastern Long Island.) But it seems to me that, even without these two deals. ESPN Radio could clear time in New York. So I think you have evidence that ABC is willing to spend big bucks to add ESPN signals that are a notch below essential. I keep wondering why ABC doesn't move Radio Disney to 890 and ESPN to 1260. Having Radio Disney on a signal that emanates from affluent MetroWest strikes me as sensible. 1260 does OK in Boston proper and in much of the North Shore. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Re: 890 >3 yes > > 2 But ESPN HAD to be on in New York ( Boston not so much ) > > 1 Felger actually quit his job at the Herald and continues to be a > free lancer for the paper. Now his wife is unemployed and can she > stay > in the market? > > On 2/26/08, Sean Smyth wrote: >> 1. I wouldn't rely on David Scott being accurate when it comes to >> media >> matters. He's a part of the blogosphere that believes in just >> tossing >> stuff out and seeing where it sticks. >> >> 1a. 890/1400 supposedly has been for sale for months, even the past >> couple years, if you believe the rumors. Nothing has materialized. >> Does >> this mean the rumors are false? Of course not. What it does say, >> though, is that J-Sports hasn't been that desperate to sell, if it >> is >> trying to sell. If it were, the stations would be sold by now, >> since >> one of the major groups would do a buy on the cheap. >> >> 2. I'd be surprised if the stations weren't breaking even. I'm >> guessing >> that ESPN is paying for 890/1400 to clear programming in the Boston >> market. Wasn't the lease payment on 1050 New York pretty generous >> to >> the Jewish Forward folk? >> >> 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the >> transmitter lease? From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Feb 26 16:27:29 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:27:29 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> All talk shows at WBZ had at least 1 union technician in the 70s. Both Calling All Sports and Jerry Williams were done in a large studio (with room for guests) had a technician and producer in the adjacent control room. Delay via magnetic tape on an Ampex with head positions reversed was in adjacent control room. There was also a technician in master control. About the only time he did anything during this 6 hour block was during the news. Larry Glick used the same studio as the jocks for daytime music shows. His producer and delay were in master control. The only thing Glick ran were his sound effects. At 06:42 PM 2/25/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs at >every major Boston station. > >IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the same >rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate >paid at WCBS. > >Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system >to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician >must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards >with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > >I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as he >demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in >master control who babysat the delay system. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 16:32:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:32:21 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802261332g73c8d0bcq6915a482eeb42c16@mail.gmail.com> Glick ran his own commercials too I believe. I remember he was a real klutz with carts. On 2/26/08, Ron Bello wrote: > > > All talk shows at WBZ had at least 1 union technician in the 70s. > Both Calling All Sports and Jerry Williams were done in a large studio > (with room for guests) had a technician and producer in the adjacent > control room. Delay via magnetic tape on an Ampex with head positions > reversed was in adjacent control room. There was also a technician in > master control. About the only time he did anything during this 6 hour > block was during the news. Larry Glick used the same studio as the jocks > for daytime music shows. His producer and delay were in master control. > The only thing Glick ran were his sound effects. > > > > At 06:42 PM 2/25/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs at > every major Boston station. > > IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the same > rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate > paid at WCBS. > > Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system > to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician > must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards > with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > > I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as he > demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in > master control who babysat the delay system. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 16:39:42 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:39:42 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> Message-ID: <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I received yesterday the new book that's just out on Jerry Williams. It's really quite impressive. Apparently when his show was about to start on WMEX, he insisted he wanted to put the caller on the air (instead of the host repeating what the caller was saying), and the Richmond Brothers had to come up with the delay mechanism. Apparently Max Richmond did not want to spend money on tape recorders, so he jury-rigged something with old wire recorders. I haven't gotten to the WBZ years in the book yet, but what I've read of the book so far has been very interesting. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bello Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:27 PM To: kvahey@comcast.net Cc: Boston Radio Interest; Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI All talk shows at WBZ had at least 1 union technician in the 70s. Both Calling All Sports and Jerry Williams were done in a large studio (with room for guests) had a technician and producer in the adjacent control room. Delay via magnetic tape on an Ampex with head positions reversed was in adjacent control room. There was also a technician in master control. About the only time he did anything during this 6 hour block was during the news. Larry Glick used the same studio as the jocks for daytime music shows. His producer and delay were in master control. The only thing Glick ran were his sound effects. At 06:42 PM 2/25/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs at >every major Boston station. > >IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the same >rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate >paid at WCBS. > >Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system >to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician >must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards >with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > >I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as he >demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in >master control who babysat the delay system. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 26 16:16:53 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:16:53 -0500 Subject: Could WLLH-AM Lawrence Have Its License Pulled? Message-ID: <20080226211653.DAEB51CE7DB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Now that the rumor mill about WAMG-AM 890 is functioning again, that brings co-owned WLLH-AM 1400 back into the mix. For years, the Lawrence facility was never displayed if you brought up WLLH at fcc.gov. But then, a bit more than a year ago, there it was, right along with the WLLH Lowell license. Now, WLLH in Lawrence has been off-the-air for months and months, maybe approaching a year. It has been duly noted at several radio websites that the FCC is now taking a DIM view of dark facilities, so could they tell J-Sports either put up or shut up as far as WLLH-Lawrence is concerned? -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:53:44 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:53:44 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <47C48A68.5010506@gmail.com> Jim Hall wrote: > I received yesterday the new book that's just out on Jerry Williams. I'm lazy today. Could you provide a link to the book? Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 16:59:26 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:59:26 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com><120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <000901c878c2$dc52c6a0$3bf8a742@SatU205S5044> I think the use of wire instead of tape would have been theoretically possible but the likelihood of its being anywhere near reliable enough seems nil. Tangles and knots, which would have been impossible to straighten out in real time, would seem inevitable. I don't know the diameter of magnetic recording wire, but it was quite thin. Since it was made of a ferromagnetic alloy, it was nevertheless extremely strong and seemed possessed of a mind of its own (kind of like garden hose but no more than about 1% of the diameter). Remember, too, that, as a practical matter, recording wire was essentially impossible to splice. Tangles were an absolute nightmare! The perfect medium to make grown men break down in tears and babble incoherently. Such problems with wire gave rise to the rapid ascendency of magnetic tape. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: "'Boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RE: Music Till Dawn on WEEI >I received yesterday the new book that's just out on Jerry Williams. >It's > really quite impressive. Apparently when his show was about to start > on > WMEX, he insisted he wanted to put the caller on the air (instead of > the > host repeating what the caller was saying), and the Richmond > Brothers had to > come up with the delay mechanism. Apparently Max Richmond did not > want to > spend money on tape recorders, so he jury-rigged something with old > wire > recorders. I haven't gotten to the WBZ years in the book yet, but > what I've > read of the book so far has been very interesting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Ron Bello > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:27 PM > To: kvahey@comcast.net > Cc: Boston Radio Interest; Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > All talk shows at WBZ had at least 1 union technician in the 70s. > Both Calling All Sports and Jerry Williams were done in a large > studio > (with room for guests) had a technician and producer in the adjacent > control room. Delay via magnetic tape on an Ampex with head > positions > reversed was in adjacent control room. There was also a technician > in > master control. About the only time he did anything during this 6 > hour > block was during the news. Larry Glick used the same studio as the > jocks > for daytime music shows. His producer and delay were in master > control. > The only thing Glick ran were his sound effects. > > > At 06:42 PM 2/25/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >>One byproduct of WEEI being owned by CBS was increased labor costs >>at >>every major Boston station. >> >>IBEW local 1228 mandated that all technicians had to be paid the >>same >>rate and working conditions that WEEI received and that was the rate >>paid at WCBS. >> >>Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a >>system >>to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician >>must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo >>boards >>with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. >> >>I believe Jerry Williams was the only talent that had a board op as >>he >>demanded it. Glick ran his own board. BZ still had a union tech in >>master control who babysat the delay system. > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 26 17:09:07 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:09:07 -0500 Subject: Could WLLH-AM Lawrence Have Its License Pulled? In-Reply-To: <20080226211653.DAEB51CE7DB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080226211653.DAEB51CE7DB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18372.36355.644764.588265@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Now, WLLH in Lawrence has been off-the-air for months and months, > maybe approaching a year. It has been duly noted at several radio > websites that the FCC is now taking a DIM view of dark facilities, It doesn't matter what view the FCC takes; if your station is off the air for more than a year, your license evaporates, poof, as a matter of statute law. The question of WLLH, however, will devolve to just how precisely the Lawrence transmitter is licensed. Back when Jessamy Tang bought the station, one of the conditions of that transfer was the regularization of WLLH's Lawrence operation, and my recollection is that the Commission allowed it to be licensed as a "broadcast auxiliary" facility. In that case, the legal requirement may not apply (stations are not required to operate their auxiliary facilities full-time). -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 21:16:10 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> The WMEX delay system used in the late 60's was a real juryrig. The show would be taped on a reel to reel and it would take 7 seconds for the tape to travel between the record and playback heads. If something went wrong the host would toggle a switch at the studio that would disengage the play head. However the offending remark was still on the master. If somebody forgot to log it the bad words would air if the show was repeated. Why Mac wanted it this way only he and defacto chief engineer Arnie Ginsburg knew. A lot of people don't know that Arnie designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 26 22:35:33 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:35:33 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > A lot of people don't know that Arnie > designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. > I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 22:45:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:45:21 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> Arnie was proud of his First Phone license and it was issued in Boston which indicates he passed the test honeslty. Many jocks back then went to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the Miami FCC office on the payroll. On 2/26/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > A lot of people don't know that Arnie > > designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. > > > I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 23:17:15 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:17:15 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net><005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward><4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001501c878f7$a537c550$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> Was Mac still living when 1510 moved to 111 Broadway? Is that section of downtown called Bay Village? Around the corner from 57 Park Plaza and across the street from the magnificent Milner Hotel? If Mac was still living when 1510 moved there, I'm pretty sure that he must not have been by the time they moved away. Wasn't the station WITS by that time? If so, wouldn't that mean it had been purchased by the Cincinnati people--Mariner Broadcasting? I believe Mariner was the outfit that moved the transmitter from Quincy to Waltham in 1981. I think that Mariner also owned WLW. Didn't Mariner go bankrupt not long after they bought WMEX? I remember that Dana Hersey, who had been doing AM drive, tried to buy 1510 out of bankruptcy, but he didn't succeed and the station then went dark for maybe six months. I think that would have been during the winter of 1986-1987. When it came back on the air, the studios were in Cummings Park in Woburn, I think. Didn't the studios remain in Woburn until Peter Davidson bought the station not long ago and moved them to Marina Bay in Quincy? Somewhere along the way, the calls were changed to WMRE with a horrible adult standards format and to WNRB, under the ownership of Communicom, with a religious format, It may have still been WNRB when it flipped to Spanish. I don't remember who owned it then. Somewhere, there must be a timeline that shows powers, studio/transmitter locations, owners, formats, call letters, and other significant historical events. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > > > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> A lot of people don't know that Arnie >> designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. >> > I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 23:27:09 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:27:09 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com><120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward><4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com><47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c878f9$06411ee0$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> Isn't Arnie a degreed (Northeastern, probably) Electrical Engineer? I've heard him described as damned sharp technically as well as as a programmer and radio-business guy. Wasn't he CE at then-WBOS (AM) before he decamped for WMEX? Might he not also have been CE at WMEX? For many years, I believe WMEX's CE was Ed Juaire, who built WSAR's facilities either before or after he worked at WMEX. And somewhere in there, wasn't Dana Puopolo CE of 1510--whatever the calls might have been at that time? I believe that Dana was also CE of WHDH (AM) for a while. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Roger Kirk" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Music Till Dawn on WEEI > Arnie was proud of his First Phone license and it was issued in > Boston > which indicates he passed the test honeslty. Many jocks back then > went > to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the Miami FCC office on the > payroll. > > > > On 2/26/08, Roger Kirk wrote: >> >> >> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> > A lot of people don't know that Arnie >> > designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. >> > >> I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. >> >> From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 01:41:13 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:41:13 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <001501c8790b$bf912220$48b4134c@Chicken159> WLLH Lawrence has been covered legally, going back on Sunday From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 02:47:07 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:47:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs Message-ID: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Feb 23, 2008 3:13 PM >Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > >Funny thing was I was amazed as a young teen how clear WMEX >came into Montreal at night in the 60's. My family went up for "Expo '67", and I was surprised at how much stronger WMEX was at night in Montreal than where I was growing up in west suburban Newton, where their directional groundwave was especially weak at night. WRKO (and of course WBZ) were loud and strong at night as well. >Then in 1967 WRKO became popular at night in Montreal as the >Top 40 station there CFOX had a hideous nighttime signal that >could not make it into downtown. I don't remember catching CFOX, but I was impressed with the Top 40 that was on CKGM, then at 980. According to on-line histories, CKGM wasn't yet Top 40 full-time in 1967 and was running talk shows at times, but they were Top 40 during the times of day when I caught them, sounding somewhat like WMEX. I remember that they also had a remote DJ booth on the air from the Expo. EP From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 07:23:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:23:58 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com> I think CFOX dropped Top 40 around 1970 after CKGM adopted a format similar to CHUM in Toronto. For whatever reason CJMS 1280 didn't seem as popular with the French teens as CKGM was. CKGM was more in tune with the city with studios near the Forum in Westmount while CFOX was located 15 miles away in Point Claire. I remember CFCF also had a studio at Expo. I knew of them as they were on SW as well. In 1965 I visited Montreal with my parents and my Dad was distraught that Woo Woo came in loud and clear but not the Red Sox. I came to the rescue by telling him about WTIC. 2 nights later outside Quebec City he was delighted that he could get 4 of his 5 presets clear (Woo Woo has suddenly learned French ) with WHDH being the strongest followed by WEZE. 1510 might still be transmitting from Quincy today had it not been for their time with the Red Sox. They were told they would lose the contract unless they could fix the signal so John Harrington could hear the games at his home in Westwood. Moving to Waltham didn't work. Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox leaving HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to begin with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so I doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to anger the team. From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 27 07:37:52 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:37:52 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >> Many jocks back then went to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the Miami FCC office on the payroll.<< That's the conventional wisdom. It's also most likely an urban legend. It was never necessary to pay anyone off to pass the old First Class or Second Class Radiotelephone exams. The FCC, very unwisely, used only a few fixed sets of questions on all their exams. The license mills ran on the theory that when their students came out of the exams, they would go back to the license mill's HQ and write down every question they could remember. The schools then taught their students to memorize the answers to the questions. This practice was carried out, in the open, for many years, but the FCC never did anything about it, except for prohibiting exam takers from removing any papers from the exam room, until they decided in the mid-1980s to abandon licensing requirements for broadcast stations altogether. And those of us who didn't attend a license mill will recall that the questions weren't that difficult anyhow, if you had a basic understanding of tube and transistor electronics, although when I took the test in the 1970s there were all of two questions on the Second Class exam element dealing with transistors, and one on the First Class element. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 27 07:41:21 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:41:21 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <001f01c878f9$06411ee0$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com><120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward><4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com><47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <001f01c878f9$06411ee0$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A20@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I've heard him described as damned sharp technically as well as as a programmer and radio-business guy. Wasn't he CE at then-WBOS (AM) before he decamped for WMEX?<< He was the CE at WBOS. I've heard the same thing about him. I was told he started in engineering and got his First Class ticket (the hard way, not via a license mill). >>For many years, I believe WMEX's CE was Ed Juaire, who built WSAR's facilities either before or after he worked at WMEX<< He was. He was also the group director of engineering for the Knight Quality Stations group, and was the CE at WSAR for many years (including a short stint during which he was also the GM). He was my first engineering mentor, and taught me a lot. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 07:45:33 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:45:33 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> Ahh, room 1600 Customs House!! Took and passed my First Phone and Amateur Advanced there. Fond memories. Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Arnie was proud of his First Phone license and it was issued in Boston > which indicates he passed the test honeslty. Many jocks back then went > to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the Miami FCC office on the > payroll. > > > > On 2/26/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > >> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> A lot of people don't know that Arnie >>> designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. >>> >>> >> I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. >> >> >> > > From radiotest@cox.net Wed Feb 27 08:05:20 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:05:20 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmco rad.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227075950.03875c68@cox.net> At 07:37 AM 2/27/2008, Sid Schweiger wrote: >And those of us who didn't attend a license mill will recall that >the questions weren't that difficult anyhow, if you had a basic >understanding of tube and transistor electronics, although when I >took the test in the 1970s there were all of two questions on the >Second Class exam element dealing with transistors, and one on the >First Class element. When I took the Element 4 exam in 1979 there were a few questions about AM DAs. That was fine with me as I had been boning up on the subject because two friends had just gotten a CP for a new DA. As I recall there was almost nothing in my exam on TV, which was also fine as I had little interest in that subject, although I had studied for it in prepping. Overall the exam was easier than I expected and I was the first one out of the exam room at the Custom House. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 27 08:08:13 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:08:13 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> Absolutely not! A night power increase for 1510 required a move to a more northerly location because of CJRS in Sherbrooke--the station that, as you put it, taught Woo-Woo to speak French. Sherbrooke is essentially due north of Boston and it had to be protected. As you know, the French you heard in Quebec on 1510 was NOT WMEX; it was CJRS. And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad enough but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the construction of the State St South office complex just west of the old 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings decimated 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, Belmont and other places. You didn't have to go to MetroWest to be out of range and out of luck. WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) installed a new ground system to no avail. They next applied to slightly relax the pattern of their daytime 50 kW during noncritical hours. Not much of a relaxation was possible because of WNLC. Various temporary stopgaps were tried, such as simulcasts of Red Sox night games on 107.9 and 1330. Finally, there was the problem-plagued move to Waltham and 50 kW-U. The move cost millions and the big increase in night power coupled with the tall towers helped a lot in Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, and Belmont but was no help at all in Westwood. In addition, the day signal along the coast--on the North Shore, for example--suffered greatly. The old 50 kW day signal from Quincy reached coastal areas over a clear salt-water path; the new signal from Waltham had to travel over at least 15 miles of rocky, low-conductivity New England soil. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Eli Polonsky" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Todd Glickman" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? > I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox leaving > HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to > begin > with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the > playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so I > doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to anger > the team. From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Feb 27 08:17:36 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:17:36 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I remember back in the '60s when WMEX was running at 5 kw, and had a terrific signal not only on the North Shore but well up into south coastal Maine. I agree: after everything was changed over, it wasn't (isn't) as good as it was originally. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > Absolutely not! A night power increase for 1510 required a move to a > more northerly location because of CJRS in Sherbrooke--the station > that, as you put it, taught Woo-Woo to speak French. Sherbrooke is > essentially due north of Boston and it had to be protected. As you > know, the French you heard in Quebec on 1510 was NOT WMEX; it was > CJRS. And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some > point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad enough > but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the > construction of the State St South office complex just west of the old > 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings decimated > 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station > completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the > market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, > Belmont and other places. You didn't have to go to MetroWest to be out > of range and out of luck. WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) > installed a new ground system to no avail. They next applied to > slightly relax the pattern of their daytime 50 kW during noncritical > hours. Not much of a relaxation was possible because of WNLC. Various > temporary stopgaps were tried, such as simulcasts of Red Sox night > games on 107.9 and 1330. Finally, there was the problem-plagued move > to Waltham and 50 kW-U. The move cost millions and the big increase in > night power coupled with the tall towers helped a lot in Newton, > Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, and Belmont but was no help at all in > Westwood. In addition, the day signal along the coast--on the North > Shore, for example--suffered greatly. The old 50 kW day signal from > Quincy reached coastal areas over a clear salt-water path; the new > signal from Waltham had to travel over at least 15 miles of rocky, > low-conductivity New England soil. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Eli Polonsky" > Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Donna Halper" ; "Todd > Glickman" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > >> >> Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? >> I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox leaving >> HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to >> begin >> with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the >> playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so I >> doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to anger >> the team. > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 08:38:18 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:18 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com><001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> <01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <006801c87946$0e2beb10$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I'm not sure about CJRS, but wasn't the *reason* WNLC was allowed to move from 1490 to 1510 because WMEX delayed repeatedly, with construction permits expiring more than once, installing 50 k in Quincy? I think CJRS must also have upgraded similarly because of WMEX *not* upgrading during this time too. I doubt WMEX would have come in so clearly in Montreal if it had been protecting at that time a station in Sherbrooke (barely 70 miles east of Montreal). If CJRS and WNLC had not been upgraded, then WMEX would really only have had to protect WLAC and KGA. I vaguely remember someone on WMEX calling their counterpart at WLAC on the air discussing their respective signals. I believe WLAC used to hear from WMEX listeners at night wondering where WMEX was. I think it might have been Larry Glick calling WLAC...I think it was early in the morning our time, when Glick was still on and the morning man at WLAC was just starting. >I remember back in the '60s when WMEX was running at 5 kw, and had a >terrific signal not only on the North Shore but well up into south coastal >Maine. I agree: after everything was changed over, it wasn't (isn't) as >good as it was originally. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > Absolutely not! A night power increase for 1510 required a move to a > more northerly location because of CJRS in Sherbrooke--the station > that, as you put it, taught Woo-Woo to speak French. Sherbrooke is > essentially due north of Boston and it had to be protected. As you > know, the French you heard in Quebec on 1510 was NOT WMEX; it was > CJRS. And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some > point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad enough > but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the > construction of the State St South office complex just west of the old > 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings decimated > 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station > completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the > market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, > Belmont and other places. You didn't have to go to MetroWest to be out > of range and out of luck. WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) > installed a new ground system to no avail. They next applied to > slightly relax the pattern of their daytime 50 kW during noncritical > hours. Not much of a relaxation was possible because of WNLC. Various > temporary stopgaps were tried, such as simulcasts of Red Sox night > games on 107.9 and 1330. Finally, there was the problem-plagued move > to Waltham and 50 kW-U. The move cost millions and the big increase in > night power coupled with the tall towers helped a lot in Newton, > Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, and Belmont but was no help at all in > Westwood. In addition, the day signal along the coast--on the North > Shore, for example--suffered greatly. The old 50 kW day signal from > Quincy reached coastal areas over a clear salt-water path; the new > signal from Waltham had to travel over at least 15 miles of rocky, > low-conductivity New England soil. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Eli Polonsky" > Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Donna Halper" ; "Todd > Glickman" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > >> >> Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? >> I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox leaving >> HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to >> begin >> with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the >> playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so I >> doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to anger >> the team. > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Feb 27 08:55:39 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:55:39 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> <01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47C56BDB.7010101@ttlc.net> Doug Drown wrote: > I remember back in the '60s when WMEX was running at 5 kw, and had a > terrific signal not only on the North Shore but well up into south > coastal Maine. It came in reasonably well (after dark) inland as far as Lewiston, Auburn & Mechanic Falls, too. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 09:07:24 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802270607i117d4ae4wf896aa40b0d7a820@mail.gmail.com> Did Dick Richmond still own WMEX when the station got the Sox? One story I heard years ago ws told to me by Sherm Feller who would hold court in the Fenway media bar for hours after a game hoping somebody would drive him to Milton so he could save car fare. Sherm claimed that Tom Yawkey hated the music that HDH switched to and they refused his request to change back. Yawkey didn't know the new owners (Blair?) and looked for an outlet that would bring back his standards. There might be some truth to what Sherm said as WMEX did go MOR at that time hiring Alan Dairy and others. Bill Lawrence from WFEA also showed up along with Anthony Silva. Yawkey embraced what he learned from WNAC about building a network of smaller stations. He had to move to WHDH around 1946 as WNAC decided to air only the Braves. So the Red Sox never have aired on WBZ. Yawkey was frustrated by one thing as he could not listen to games in South Carolina. WHDH solved that problem by adding WTIC to the network. I do know that WITS in their scramble to find a new transmitter location looked at Foxboro. Eddie Andleman owned all the parking lots at the old stadium and offered WITS some land. I suspect it was impossible to make it work being that much closer to New London. Maybe Dan can ponder if it could have worked. On 2/27/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Absolutely not! A night power increase for 1510 required a move to a > more northerly location because of CJRS in Sherbrooke--the station > that, as you put it, taught Woo-Woo to speak French. Sherbrooke is > essentially due north of Boston and it had to be protected. As you > know, the French you heard in Quebec on 1510 was NOT WMEX; it was > CJRS. And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some > point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad enough > but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the > construction of the State St South office complex just west of the old > 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings decimated > 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station > completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the > market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, > Belmont and other places. You didn't have to go to MetroWest to be out > of range and out of luck. WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) > installed a new ground system to no avail. They next applied to > slightly relax the pattern of their daytime 50 kW during noncritical > hours. Not much of a relaxation was possible because of WNLC. Various > temporary stopgaps were tried, such as simulcasts of Red Sox night > games on 107.9 and 1330. Finally, there was the problem-plagued move > to Waltham and 50 kW-U. The move cost millions and the big increase in > night power coupled with the tall towers helped a lot in Newton, > Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, and Belmont but was no help at all in > Westwood. In addition, the day signal along the coast--on the North > Shore, for example--suffered greatly. The old 50 kW day signal from > Quincy reached coastal areas over a clear salt-water path; the new > signal from Waltham had to travel over at least 15 miles of rocky, > low-conductivity New England soil. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Eli Polonsky" > Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Donna Halper" ; "Todd > Glickman" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > > > > > Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? > > I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox leaving > > HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to > > begin > > with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the > > playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so I > > doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to anger > > the team. > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Feb 27 09:52:52 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> Just for the record, a clarification of my comment: 1. I know full well that Arnie has (had) a First Phone license. 2. It was intended neither to impugn nor give short shrift to his technical skills. I certainly learned many things from him while we worked together at WRKO. 3. I simply based my observation on a conversation I had with him in the mid-late 70's. He noted that, in the past, he had "avoided mentioning" that he had a First Phone to avoid being stuck doing transmitter duty. He did not elaborate on where or when. Just for the record: A. I visited 1600 Custom House in summer of 1964 to get my Third Class license with Broadcast endorsement. I had been promised a job at South Paris' premier broadcast facility - 1450 WKTQ-AM - IF I could get my license. I was too young to drive (different license) and my mother (God rest her soul) actually braved Boston traffic for me. B. I passed my First Phone (honestly, of course) in April of 1966 at the Post Office on Forest Avenue, Portland (a stone's throw from WPOR's tower) - shortly before graduating from what is now Southern Maine Technical College. Many in our class went that day. The examiner forgot to bring the grading template for Element I. He said I passed Element II and either I had a First Phone or was still stuck with my Third. The license arrived two weeks later. To me, that was a BIG DEAL. Bless your little heart, Ben F. Waple. > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> Arnie was proud of his First Phone license and it was issued in Boston >> which indicates he passed the test honeslty. Many jocks back then went >> to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the Miami FCC office on the >> payroll. >> >> On 2/26/08, Roger Kirk wrote: >> >>> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> A lot of people don't know that Arnie >>>> designed and installed the new studios at 111 Broadway. >>> I would have thought that was Arnie's brother. >>> From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 11:06:23 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:06:23 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> Arnie is a very modest man. One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This would be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him in court and he was doing sales at RKO. I mentioned to him it would be great to hear him again and his reply was why...nobody would remember me. Later that year WBZ had a weekend event where many old Boston jocks from all stations returned. Arnie found out that people did remember him. He built KISS from nothing and then hit megabucks with channel 66. He learned well from Mac Richmond and unlike Mac had a heart. I have never heard a bad word spoken of him. From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Feb 27 11:19:40 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:19:40 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> I don't remember whether this question has been asked before: What was the background of the Richmond brothers? Were they originally professional broadcasters, or were they entrepreneurs? I don't know anything about em. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Roger Kirk" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) > Arnie is a very modest man. > > One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This would > be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him in > court and he was doing sales at RKO. > > I mentioned to him it would be great to hear him again and his reply > was why...nobody would remember me. > > Later that year WBZ had a weekend event where many old Boston jocks > from all stations returned. Arnie found out that people did remember > him. > > He built KISS from nothing and then hit megabucks with channel 66. He > learned well from Mac Richmond and unlike Mac had a heart. I have > never heard a bad word spoken of him. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 11:37:34 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:37:34 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com><120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward><4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com><47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net><4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com><47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net><4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <007101c8795f$140f4c20$128e3f81@MoeHoward> There's some information about the Richmonds on the WPGC tribute site: http://www.amandfmmorningside.com/wpgc_max_richmond.html I don't remember whether this question has been asked before: What was the background of the Richmond brothers? Were they originally professional broadcasters, or were they entrepreneurs? I don't know anything about em. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Roger Kirk" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) > Arnie is a very modest man. > > One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This would > be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him in > court and he was doing sales at RKO. > > I mentioned to him it would be great to hear him again and his reply > was why...nobody would remember me. > > Later that year WBZ had a weekend event where many old Boston jocks > from all stations returned. Arnie found out that people did remember > him. > > He built KISS from nothing and then hit megabucks with channel 66. He > learned well from Mac Richmond and unlike Mac had a heart. I have > never heard a bad word spoken of him. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 27 11:37:40 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:37:40 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4fc429770802270423r3176e9d5gc2eb6f5dfe244477@mail.gmail.com><001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044><01e201c87943$1f1c7eb0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <006801c87946$0e2beb10$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <001e01c8795f$140a9130$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> I never heard that. As far as I know, prior to the 1957 transfer of the license from Northern Corp (Pote' et al) to Richmond Bros, the only application that WMEX filed for improved facilities was to increase day power to 10 kW ND (no change in night facilities). I believe that app was filed in the early 50s and was denied by the FCC because it would have caused daytime skywave interference to WLAC. Around 1969, WMEX did increase to 50 kW D/5 kW-N DA-2 (again, no change in night facilities). This CP, which would have involved adding one tower to the Quincy site, was granted before the Commonweath took part of the WMEX land for a bridge over the Neponset River. As a result of the land taking, WMEX lost one of its two existing self-supporting towers as well as the part of the land on which would have stood the new third (guyed) tower (to be used daytime only). It then became necessary to add two guyed towers to the one remaining self supporter. Through all this, there was no change to the night pattern nor to the not-yet constructed day pattern. The day pattern seemed like a joke; it was a modified cardioid aimed northeast--out over open water. The engineer who designed it was crazy like a fox, however. Although a lot of enegy did indeed go out over open water, the signal along the coast and for several miles inland improved significantly. Both WLAC and WNLC were protected. Amazingly, WNLC's 10-kW day pattern, a broad, somewhat asymmetrical modified cardioid (three towers) was actually aimed TOWARD WMEX, a mere 77 miles away! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: "'Boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: RE: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > I'm not sure about CJRS, but wasn't the *reason* WNLC was allowed to > move > from 1490 to 1510 because WMEX delayed repeatedly, with construction > permits > expiring more than once, installing 50 k in Quincy? I think CJRS > must also > have upgraded similarly because of WMEX *not* upgrading during this > time > too. I doubt WMEX would have come in so clearly in Montreal if it > had been > protecting at that time a station in Sherbrooke (barely 70 miles > east of > Montreal). > > If CJRS and WNLC had not been upgraded, then WMEX would really only > have had > to protect WLAC and KGA. I vaguely remember someone on WMEX calling > their > counterpart at WLAC on the air discussing their respective signals. > I > believe WLAC used to hear from WMEX listeners at night wondering > where WMEX > was. I think it might have been Larry Glick calling WLAC...I think > it was > early in the morning our time, when Glick was still on and the > morning man > at WLAC was just starting. > > > >>I remember back in the '60s when WMEX was running at 5 kw, and had a >>terrific signal not only on the North Shore but well up into south >>coastal >>Maine. I agree: after everything was changed over, it wasn't >>(isn't) as >>good as it was originally. -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs > > >> Absolutely not! A night power increase for 1510 required a move to >> a >> more northerly location because of CJRS in Sherbrooke--the station >> that, as you put it, taught Woo-Woo to speak French. Sherbrooke is >> essentially due north of Boston and it had to be protected. As you >> know, the French you heard in Quebec on 1510 was NOT WMEX; it was >> CJRS. And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some >> point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad >> enough >> but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the >> construction of the State St South office complex just west of the >> old >> 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings >> decimated >> 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station >> completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the >> market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, >> Belmont and other places. You didn't have to go to MetroWest to be >> out >> of range and out of luck. WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) >> installed a new ground system to no avail. They next applied to >> slightly relax the pattern of their daytime 50 kW during >> noncritical >> hours. Not much of a relaxation was possible because of WNLC. >> Various >> temporary stopgaps were tried, such as simulcasts of Red Sox night >> games on 107.9 and 1330. Finally, there was the problem-plagued >> move >> to Waltham and 50 kW-U. The move cost millions and the big increase >> in >> night power coupled with the tall towers helped a lot in Newton, >> Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, and Belmont but was no help at all >> in >> Westwood. In addition, the day signal along the coast--on the North >> Shore, for example--suffered greatly. The old 50 kW day signal from >> Quincy reached coastal areas over a clear salt-water path; the new >> signal from Waltham had to travel over at least 15 miles of rocky, >> low-conductivity New England soil. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Eli Polonsky" >> Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dan.Strassberg" >> ; "Donna Halper" ; >> "Todd >> Glickman" ; >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 AM >> Subject: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs >> >> >>> >>> Did 1510 ever get 50K at night from Quincy? >>> I suspect they must have because I can't fathom the Red Sox >>> leaving >>> HDH for a 5 KW signal. I don't understand why they left WHDH to >>> begin >>> with. The change happened after the 75 regular season with the >>> playoffs on 1510. Was it simply money? Yawkey will still alive so >>> I >>> doubt that was a factor. Something else must have happened to >>> anger >>> the team. >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 27 11:49:58 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com><120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward><4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com><47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net><4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com><47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net><4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <003001c87960$cb98f700$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> When they bought WMEX out of bankruptcy for, IIRC, $211,000, in 1957, they already owned WPGC Morningside MD (Washington DC), then, I believe, a 10-kW daytimer, and sister FM, WRNC (now WPGC-FM) licensed to Oakland MD. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "Roger Kirk" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) >I don't remember whether this question has been asked before: What >was the background of the Richmond brothers? Were they originally >professional broadcasters, or were they entrepreneurs? I don't know >anything about em. -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Roger Kirk" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn > on WEEI) > > >> Arnie is a very modest man. >> >> One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This >> would >> be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him >> in >> court and he was doing sales at RKO. >> >> I mentioned to him it would be great to hear him again and his >> reply >> was why...nobody would remember me. >> >> Later that year WBZ had a weekend event where many old Boston jocks >> from all stations returned. Arnie found out that people did >> remember >> him. >> >> He built KISS from nothing and then hit megabucks with channel 66. >> He >> learned well from Mac Richmond and unlike Mac had a heart. I have >> never heard a bad word spoken of him. > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 12:13:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:13:18 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> <024101c8795c$8ed5af60$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770802270913k4ffd706fh16848e88daf4dce8@mail.gmail.com> When Mac died Dick Richmond showed up and it was obvious he knew nothing about radio. He was also cheaper than his brother. Dick turned the station over to the GM of WPGC Bob Howard who flew up and back from DC almost daily. He was a hard man to work for and his cardinal rule was no coffee in the control room. Howard got a large settlement from Mac's estate and bought WYSL and WPHD in Buffalo which did very well. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:51:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:51:42 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227075950.03875c68@cox.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080227075950.03875c68@cox.net> Message-ID: <47C5B13E.6090706@gmail.com> Dale H. Cook wrote: > Overall the exam was easier than I expected and I was the first one > out of the exam room at the Custom House. Thanks for a flashback. Just recalled Elements 1,2,9 in that room. Couldn't wait to get out of there. b - From radiotest@cox.net Wed Feb 27 14:32:37 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:32:37 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket In-Reply-To: <47C5B13E.6090706@gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080227075950.03875c68@cox.net> <47C5B13E.6090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227143017.038d7fa8@cox.net> At 01:51 PM 2/27/2008, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Thanks for a flashback. Just recalled Elements 1,2,9 in that room. I took 1, 2 and 9 there in 1969, 3 in 1978, and 4 in 1979. I never had any trouble with the exams, and always enjoyed the view from up there. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 15:21:00 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:21:00 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Subject: Voice-over Flubs] Message-ID: <47C5C62C.7020908@tampabay.rr.com> From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:50 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:50 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770802232034yf831be1qa3aa288f3e036b66@mail.gmail.com>, <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47C582A2.13017.7F261C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Feb 2008 at 21:39, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > The Overmeyer Network, founded by Daniel Overmeyer. By the time it > actually went on the air with a late-night show, it was the Untied > Network. Apparently Overmeyer needed more investors and had to change > the name to get them. That should have read "United Network." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:50 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:50 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: <000501c878af$37f45af0$3bf8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <001701c878a4$0bfe6450$5befa644@SatU205S5044>, <000501c878af$37f45af0$3bf8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C582A2.11736.7F283F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Feb 2008 at 14:38, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I keep wondering why ABC doesn't move Radio Disney to 890 and ESPN to > 1260. Having Radio Disney on a signal that emanates from affluent > MetroWest strikes me as sensible. 1260 does OK in Boston proper and in > much of the North Shore. I'm not sure why having Radio Disney on any AM signal makes sense. Kids don't know what AM radio is. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:51 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:51 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <003f01c87764$5aba4190$52f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C582A3.21270.7F28FA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Feb 2008 at 23:10, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WNAC didn't have significant nighttime first-adjacent problems back > then, though. However, not long after WWII, the situation changed, > first with 1270 on the NH seacoast and then with1250 in Manchester > hemming it in to the north by day. WKBR in Manchester was on 1240 until long after 1260 had become WEZE. I believe WKBR moved to 1250 around 1960 or so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:51 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:51 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802242021n75a91290ie4f60177cc4da61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802231140u772cbd79nd22c4d12dbb8865f@mail.gmail.com>, <47C1E411.19939.483B16@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770802242021n75a91290ie4f60177cc4da61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C582A3.24775.7F2A42@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Feb 2008 at 23:21, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > My Dad told me that the Herald was promised NBC if they bought all > color equipment from RCA. Never happened for who knows why but it was > quite the investment in 1957 considering ABC and color was 8 years > away. In 1957, was anyone other than RCA making color equipment? Seems to me that was when only RCA/NBC were pushing color. > BTW Joe A classmate of yours at UMass sends regards. Glenn Briere who > did sports at the student station and still goes to most UMass home > games. Ah yes, I remember him. And regards back. I also get to most UMass home games, but it's a big place, and I never run into him. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:51 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:51 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system > to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician > must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards > with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels too high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA in the 1960s, and we used to watch them while records were playing and while we were talking and adjust the levels as needed. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:52 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:52 -0500 Subject: Subject: Voice-over Flubs In-Reply-To: <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <18626731.1204098427781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <001c01c87941$d14fc440$61f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C582A4.23524.7F2CF2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2008 at 8:08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And yes, the Red Sox did indeed leave 850 for 1510 at some > point. The move to the much weaker signal (around 1976) was bad enough > but the timing was even worse because it coincided with the > construction of the State St South office complex just west of the old > 1510 transmitter in N Quincy. The new steel-frame buildings decimated > 1510's already-execrable 5-kW night signal, making the station > completely unlistenable even in close-in western parts of the > market--including most of Newton, Waltham, Lexington, Arlington, > Belmont and other places. We always had trouble with the WMEX night signal in Bedford. In fact, I used to listen to it on my car radio while driving home at night, and the signal would fade as soon as I turned off the main road and onto the road to our neighborhood. When the Red Sox moved to 1510 and channel 38 (whose signal also wasn't very good in Bedford at the time), my father wanted to know why a big-league team was dealing with minor-league stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:52 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:52 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <47C55B6D.3030108@tampabay.rr.com>, <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47C582A4.18919.7F2DCC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2008 at 9:52, Roger Kirk wrote: > A. I visited 1600 Custom House in summer of 1964 to get my Third > Class license with Broadcast endorsement. I had been promised a job > at South Paris' premier broadcast facility - 1450 WKTQ-AM - IF I could > get my license. I was too young to drive (different license) and my > mother (God rest her soul) actually braved Boston traffic for me. I went there a few months earlier in 1964 during a college vacation to get mine, because of my work at WMUA. I stayed over with my grandfather in Cleveland Circle and took the subway in. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 15:32:52 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:52 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net>, <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C582A4.15399.7F2E98@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2008 at 11:06, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This would > be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him in > court and he was doing sales at RKO. Actually, he did. For awhile in the early 1970s, he was on WBZ doing oldies -- once a week on Saturday I think. And later, he did a stint on the "WROR Rock and Roll Reunion" weekend in 1985. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Feb 27 15:55:07 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:55:07 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <120414570901@mx04.gis.net> There was always a union tech on the other side of the glass in master control. The only jock who had any idea of different levels in the mid 70s was Bill Smith. He would ask for adjustments. Compression did it for the rest. At 03:32 PM 2/27/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system > > to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician > > must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards > > with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > >Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels too >high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA in the >1960s, and we used to watch them while records were playing and while >we were talking and adjust the levels as needed. > > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 16:20:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:20:47 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <47C582A4.15399.7F2E98@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <47C57944.5000304@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802270806k15dccd57k5d9bfcf323921252@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A4.15399.7F2E98@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802271320k40fd0382v8bc3e560f9ff3919@mail.gmail.com> I should have been clearer Arnie never went back on the air at WRKO His BZ gig came because of the success of the weekend BZ had had with old Boston jocks On 2/27/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 27 Feb 2008 at 11:06, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > One night I was in the Boston Press Club next to Channel 7. This would > > be 1970 or so. Arnie never returned to the air after Mac beat him in > > court and he was doing sales at RKO. > > Actually, he did. For awhile in the early 1970s, he was on WBZ doing > oldies -- once a week on Saturday I think. And later, he did a stint > on the "WROR Rock and Roll Reunion" weekend in 1985. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 17:07:31 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:07:31 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting in '67. Jon Maguire W1MNK A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > >> Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system >> to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician >> must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards >> with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. >> > > Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels too > high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA in the > 1960s, and we used to watch them while records were playing and while > we were talking and adjust the levels as needed. > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 17:37:11 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:37:11 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com>, <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <47C59FC7.31093.F0FF7E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2008 at 17:07, Jon Maguire wrote: > Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting in > '67. No. But I graduated in 1967, and I wasn't as active at the station in my senior year. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 17:47:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:47:47 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com> The boards came from a Canadian company (McCurdy?) and the announcers simply full potted everything. How did WHDH-AM handle the union tech issue when most of the techs moved to Needham with the changeover to WCVB? All the old Channel 5 techs were kept at WCVB but this had to create problems on the radio side. Westinghouse had a messy lock out around 1975 when IBEW was thrown out of the building one night. The issue was over portable video tape. The station said non union could operate them and IBEW said it was union. This was a big issue for Westinghouse because of Evening Magazine. They finally reached a compromise...union would operate any camera that could go live. This gave IBEW control of ENG vans. That would be the last win for IBEW as stations have been slashing union jobs ever since. On 2/27/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > > Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system > > to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician > > must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards > > with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. > > Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels too > high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA in the > 1960s, and we used to watch them while records were playing and while > we were talking and adjust the levels as needed. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 27 18:14:00 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:14:00 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> Jon Maguire wrote: > Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting in '67. > > Jon Maguire W1MNK If that's the same Jay Ballard who later ended up at ABC in New York, then yes, I know him! s From radiotest@cox.net Wed Feb 27 18:13:37 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:13:37 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227181018.039b7080@cox.net> At 05:07 PM 2/27/2008, Jon Maguire wrote: >Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting in '67. Jay was still there when I arrived at WMUA in the fall of 1969. Although I was interested in on-air work, Jay found out that I was an electronics hobbyist and got me involved in engineering. Although I've had some announcer/engineer gigs, most of my career has been purely as an engineer, and I will always be grateful to Jay for setting me on that path. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 18:34:34 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:34:34 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C5F389.2000709@tampabay.rr.com> I remember that... 1975 was a pivotal year for broadcast engineering. This was the time that the FCC (fill in your own acronym) deemed that a first phone was no longer needed to operate a transmitter, only maintain them. I left WCOP AM/FM for a job maintaining teletypes. My last foray in broadcasting was as CE of WVMT in 1976. Jon Maguire W1MNK kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > The boards came from a Canadian company (McCurdy?) and the announcers > simply full potted everything. > > How did WHDH-AM handle the union tech issue when most of the techs > moved to Needham with the changeover to WCVB? All the old Channel 5 > techs were kept at WCVB but this had to create problems on the radio > side. > > Westinghouse had a messy lock out around 1975 when IBEW was thrown out > of the building one night. The issue was over portable video tape. The > station said non union could operate them and IBEW said it was union. > This was a big issue for Westinghouse because of Evening Magazine. > > They finally reached a compromise...union would operate any camera > that could go live. This gave IBEW control of ENG vans. That would be > the last win for IBEW as stations have been slashing union jobs ever > since. > > > On 2/27/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >>> Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they devised a system >>> to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract stated that a technician >>> must operate anything with a VU meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards >>> with no VU meters and made the jocks run them. >>> >> Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels too >> high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA in the >> 1960s, and we used to watch them while records were playing and while >> we were talking and adjust the levels as needed. >> >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> > > From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 18:50:08 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:50:08 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227181018.039b7080@cox.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080227181018.039b7080@cox.net> Message-ID: <47C5F730.8080007@tampabay.rr.com> Jay and I went to high school (Masconomet Regional in Boxford), He also got me interested in broadcasting, and my Dad (the first W1MNK) sparked his (and my) life long interest in Ham Radio. He graduated in 1967 and went to UMASS and was chief at WMUA at some point. I visited him several times, and spent many hours in the studios on campus. I graduated in '68 and followed another path (like Luke and Obi Wan) to Grahm Junior College (anyone remember that one?). I changed my career in 1978 and went to IT. 30 years this April. Cue the harp chord ... "It was the best of times. It was the worst of times) C.Dickens 18..something. 73... Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon FL USA Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 05:07 PM 2/27/2008, Jon Maguire wrote: > >> Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting >> in '67. > > Jay was still there when I arrived at WMUA in the fall of 1969. > Although I was interested in on-air work, Jay found out that I was an > electronics hobbyist and got me involved in engineering. Although I've > had some announcer/engineer gigs, most of my career has been purely as > an engineer, and I will always be grateful to Jay for setting me on > that path. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 27 18:53:33 2008 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:53:33 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com> Hi Scott, Jay worked for NBC for at least 30 years, and I believe he then went to ABC. We haven't kept in touch as often as we should. Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon FL USA Scott Fybush wrote: > Jon Maguire wrote: >> Do you remember Jay Ballard? He was in engineering at WMUA starting >> in '67. >> >> Jon Maguire W1MNK > > If that's the same Jay Ballard who later ended up at ABC in New York, > then yes, I know him! > > s > From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Feb 27 20:22:12 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:22:12 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <001501c878f7$a537c550$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <001501c878f7$a537c550$a6efa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080228012220.5D0D637015A@mail1.wildblue.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Was Mac still living when 1510 moved to 111 Broadway? Is that section >of downtown called Bay Village? Around the corner from 57 Park Plaza >and across the street from the magnificent Milner Hotel? If Mac was >still living when 1510 moved there, I'm pretty sure that he must not >have been by the time they moved away. I think WMEX moved to 111 Broadway sometime in 1965, so Mac would definitely have been alive and in charge. Not exactly sure when they moved out, but it was sometime between 1978 and 1981 (I'm sure of this because they donated any equipment left behind to WTBS/WMBR, and I helped move it as I was the only station member who had a truck). From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Feb 27 20:32:30 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:32:30 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com > References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080228013238.0A67C370239@mail1.wildblue.net> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >The boards came from a Canadian company (McCurdy?) and the announcers >simply full potted everything. They were still doing this in the late 70s/early 80s. I remember seeing them broadcasting from their mobile studio around that time and the jock was using a VU-less console & just maxing the faders. Anyone know when 'BZ went with "traditional" boards? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Feb 27 20:47:08 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:47:08 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080228013238.0A67C370239@mail1.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <00bf01c879ab$d42c9840$6400a8c0@lysthia> > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > >The boards came from a Canadian company (McCurdy?) and the > announcers > >simply full potted everything. > > > They were still doing this in the late 70s/early 80s. I remember > seeing them broadcasting from their mobile studio around that time > and the jock was using a VU-less console & just maxing the faders. > Must have done wonders for the fidelity of the music. Can you say "overdrive"? Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1301 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 8:35 AM From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 27 20:50:26 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:50:26 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <20080228013238.0A67C370239@mail1.wildblue.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770802271447x968aa58o747b293a37b51b32@mail.gmail.com> <20080228013238.0A67C370239@mail1.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <47C61362.3030609@fybush.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> The boards came from a Canadian company (McCurdy?) and the announcers >> simply full potted everything. > > > They were still doing this in the late 70s/early 80s. I remember seeing > them broadcasting from their mobile studio around that time and the jock > was using a VU-less console & just maxing the faders. > > Anyone know when 'BZ went with "traditional" boards? There were traditional metered boards (mostly Pacific Recorders, but I think the one in master control was a McCurdy) in all the studios when I got there in 1992. Those boards weren't brand-new at that point, and were even less brand-new when those studios were ripped out in 1996. s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 21:01:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:01:28 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> McCurdy still seems to exist in Toronto at mcradio.com I believe they also made the boards used at WRKO. I would guess WBZ went back to traditional boards in the early 80's after WEEI was sold. IBEW no longer had the leverage of the CBS contract to play in Boston. That had to be a shock for WEEI employees to go from working for CBS to Papa Gino's Pizza.(Helen Broadcasting) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Feb 27 21:08:26 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:08:26 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com> <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C6179A.50105@ttlc.net> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > McCurdy still seems to exist in Toronto at mcradio.com I believe they > also made the boards used at WRKO > The air & production boards at WRKO (and WROR-FM) in Government Center (1970-1973) were made by McCurdy. All the indicator lights were incandescent and with Con Edison's Substation literally next door, the slightly high line voltage made frequent replacement a joy. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 27 21:25:40 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:25:40 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <47C6179A.50105@ttlc.net> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com> <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> <47C6179A.50105@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802271825x6be3d7eelb5ef21be71c4be4f@mail.gmail.com> RKO General seemed to like equipment from Canada. Channel 7 had a beast of a switcher in master control from Northern Electric that would have kept working if an A-Bomb exploded in Government Center. On 2/27/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > McCurdy still seems to exist in Toronto at mcradio.com I believe they > > also made the boards used at WRKO > > > The air & production boards at WRKO (and WROR-FM) in Government Center > (1970-1973) were made by McCurdy. All the indicator lights were > incandescent and with Con Edison's Substation literally next door, the > slightly high line voltage made frequent replacement a joy. > > > > From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 27 21:33:18 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:33:18 -0500 Subject: Music Till Dawn on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <47C582A3.17437.7F2B0D@joe.attorneyross.com> <47C5DF23.7020003@tampabay.rr.com> <47C5EEB8.60208@fybush.com> <47C5F7FD.9000206@tampabay.rr.com>, <4fc429770802271801i64432ce8n4b03702a6f13cc22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CB92CFAD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>McCurdy still seems to exist in Toronto at mcradio.com<< Ah, McCurdy. IIRC they were the perpetrators of one of the truly weirdest blunders in radio broadcasting history, at a place where I once worked. At the old ABC Radio Network facility at 1926 Broadway in Manhattan, built in the late 1960s, McCurdy was the contractor for almost all the studio equipment, including the studio consoles, the master control console, and the studio console line-input switching arrangements (which used large telephone-company-type stepper switches, in the days before digitally-switched router controls). They had to pull multi-pair cables from each studio to a switching room off of master control (which was visible from the corridor leading from the hallway to master control; the stepping switches were mounted on upright metal supports), one cable for each switchable line input in each console (each console had between one and four switchable line inputs, depending on its usual function; each input could be switched among 45 different sources). Apparently the cables were cut to length and the ends prefabbed at the factory. Well, the guy with the tape measure goofed big-time. Every single one of those cables was exactly two feet short. The move-in was delayed by several months while the contractors sat in that switching room, day after day, and painstakingly spliced two feet of extra length onto those prefabbed cables. Since there were eight studios, an audio tape room (one console with 4 line-input switchers plus 13 RTR machines, each with its own line-input switcher) and master control (16 more line-input switchers), that was a whooooole lotta splicing. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 07:18:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:18:20 -0500 Subject: Getting your First Class ticket (was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802270529u5a6823famde26454f9994ba41@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080225210931.9358216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802251542v605af28ar6c03daaafb073063@mail.gmail.com> <120406124901@mx04.gis.net> <005e01c878c0$1f1c9540$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <4fc429770802261816s6f9f8b39g13db538d3ce7b30e@mail.gmail.com> <47C4DA85.2040505@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802261945r6832d391yb38b99a4a16dd5da@mail.gmail.com> <60BC35A2DBE6DD479BCD83ECB629DBBE13CBE65A1E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770802270529u5a6823famde26454f9994ba41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802280418g12b4b0e4m13fc8b61537fd098@mail.gmail.com> I had one friend go to Sarasota and he told me it was pretty much 3 weeks on the beach. He was given the answer key the day they all went to Miami by bus. I believe the school was know as REI. There was another in Pasadena and one in Chicago as well. I went the other route using a correspondence school in Cleveland. They actually went over my work and it wasn't a scam. What I had problems with a couple of whiz kids at the then WTBS made things easy. My having the first phone got me in the door. My first TV shop was with a station that never went on the air WREP Channel 25. To this day I don't know exactly what happened. The studio was finished on Commonwealth Ave in Allston and they had a contract with the Celtics. They ran out of money and never even aired a test pattern. They vanished and a few years later WXNE got the allocation. On 2/27/08, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> Many jocks back then went to the school in Sarasota, FL that had the > Miami FCC office on the payroll.<< > > That's the conventional wisdom. It's also most likely an urban legend. It > was never necessary to pay anyone off to pass the old First Class or Second > Class Radiotelephone exams. The FCC, very unwisely, used only a few fixed > sets of questions on all their exams. The license mills ran on the theory > that when their students came out of the exams, they would go back to the > license mill's HQ and write down every question they could remember. The > schools then taught their students to memorize the answers to the questions. > This practice was carried out, in the open, for many years, but the FCC > never did anything about it, except for prohibiting exam takers from > removing any papers from the exam room, until they decided in the mid-1980s > to abandon licensing requirements for broadcast stations altogether. > > And those of us who didn't attend a license mill will recall that the > questions weren't that difficult anyhow, if you had a basic understanding of > tube and transistor electronics, although when I took the test in the 1970s > there were all of two questions on the Second Class exam element dealing > with transistors, and one on the First Class element. > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF > WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 13:27:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:27:29 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website Message-ID: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> Tom Finnerian exploded on air at Barbara Anderson. No shock there but WRKO decided to put online what he said that they could not air. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1076491&srvc=home&position=6 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 28 17:15:54 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:15:54 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> PD Jason Wolfe called this "excellent radio!" "exactly what our listeners are looking for" He's not my cup of tea. I'd rather drink a liter of cheap, cold sake than to listen to Tom Finneran. Guess I'm NOT in Jason's coveted demos. Kevin Vahey wrote: > Tom Finnerian exploded on air at Barbara Anderson. No shock there but > WRKO decided to put online what he said that they could not air. > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1076491&srvc=home&position=6 > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 28 17:15:32 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:15:32 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans Message-ID: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Several radio websites are reporting that Clear Channel's Premiere subsidiary is yanking (can you 'yank' in the deep South?) Rush Limbaugh away from Entercomm-owned WWL-AM in New Orleans. Hmmmm...right now, directional-antenna engineers (the men who say 'NIF') are working on the Sawmill Brook Parkway array in Newton so WKOX-AM 1200 can be a playah in the Boston radio market. Will they keep the 'Radio Rumba' format, or perhaps try to enter the talk-radio fray hereabouts? CCU holds the keys to the E.I.B. and could transfer the bloated bloviator, and also pick up the right-wingwers just liberated by WTTT. Just saying. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 17:43:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:43:33 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> WRKO is so putrid now that the only time I will have them on is for baseball. I also can not believe Entercom is making listeners go through the split schedule again. Talk 96 isn't much better but at least they keep trying local options. Michelle just isn't suited for radio. Maybe 1200 will go talk and take Rush away from RKO. That might shake RKO into finding some fresh blood. Let Howie just be local instead of generic. Maybe move D&C to RKO and and find a new show for EEI. From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Feb 28 18:01:05 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:01:05 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> Limbaugh is being moved to Clear Channel news-talker WRNO-FM. WWL-AM also simulcasts on an FM frequency most of the time, which was an arrangement set up after Katrina. However, Rush only ran on the AM while local hosts were on the FM. Premiere may have yanked Rush to get him on FM. WRNO is a full market signal and fans will easily find his program. The same cannot be said for the situation here in Boston. Even at full juice, WKOX will not have nearly as good of a signal as WRKO. I can't see Premiere putting him on an inferior stick in a top 10 market, even if it is a CC station. Jumping ship to WTKK I could see happening, but not to WKOX. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Several radio websites are reporting that Clear Channel's Premiere > subsidiary is yanking > (can you 'yank' in the deep South?) Rush Limbaugh away from > Entercomm-owned WWL-AM in > New Orleans. Hmmmm...right now, directional-antenna engineers (the > men who say 'NIF') > are working on the Sawmill Brook Parkway array in Newton so WKOX-AM > 1200 can be a > playah in the Boston radio market. Will they keep the 'Radio > Rumba' format, or perhaps > try to enter the talk-radio fray hereabouts? CCU holds the keys to > the E.I.B. and > could transfer the bloated bloviator, and also pick up the right- > wingwers just > liberated by WTTT. Just saying. > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 18:17:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:17:01 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> In theory if Rush went to 1200 it would allow CC to offer Rush to stations along the fringe of the 1200 signal. CC hasn't gone through this expense to run Spanish music. On 2/28/08, David Tomm wrote: > Limbaugh is being moved to Clear Channel news-talker WRNO-FM. WWL-AM > also simulcasts on an FM frequency most of the time, which was an > arrangement set up after Katrina. However, Rush only ran on the AM > while local hosts were on the FM. Premiere may have yanked Rush to > get him on FM. > WRNO is a full market signal and fans will easily find his program. > The same cannot be said for the situation here in Boston. Even at > full juice, WKOX will not have nearly as good of a signal as WRKO. I > can't see Premiere putting him on an inferior stick in a top 10 > market, even if it is a CC station. Jumping ship to WTKK I could > see happening, but not to WKOX. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > Several radio websites are reporting that Clear Channel's Premiere > > subsidiary is yanking > > (can you 'yank' in the deep South?) Rush Limbaugh away from > > Entercomm-owned WWL-AM in > > New Orleans. Hmmmm...right now, directional-antenna engineers (the > > men who say 'NIF') > > are working on the Sawmill Brook Parkway array in Newton so WKOX-AM > > 1200 can be a > > playah in the Boston radio market. Will they keep the 'Radio > > Rumba' format, or perhaps > > try to enter the talk-radio fray hereabouts? CCU holds the keys to > > the E.I.B. and > > could transfer the bloated bloviator, and also pick up the right- > > wingwers just > > liberated by WTTT. Just saying. > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 28 21:14:04 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:14:04 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> WCAP would be one such. Would Clark bite? I doubt whether Rush would be offered as barter. Where else would a flip to 1200 produce an opening where Rush is not already on a local signal? Manchester? no; Worcester? no; Providence? no. Isn't Rush already on 930 in the NH Seacoast? How about Fall River and New Bedford? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "David Tomm" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > In theory if Rush went to 1200 it would allow CC to offer Rush to > stations along the fringe of the 1200 signal. > > CC hasn't gone through this expense to run Spanish music. > > On 2/28/08, David Tomm wrote: >> Limbaugh is being moved to Clear Channel news-talker WRNO-FM. >> WWL-AM >> also simulcasts on an FM frequency most of the time, which was an >> arrangement set up after Katrina. However, Rush only ran on the >> AM >> while local hosts were on the FM. Premiere may have yanked Rush to >> get him on FM. >> WRNO is a full market signal and fans will easily find his program. >> The same cannot be said for the situation here in Boston. Even at >> full juice, WKOX will not have nearly as good of a signal as WRKO. >> I >> can't see Premiere putting him on an inferior stick in a top 10 >> market, even if it is a CC station. Jumping ship to WTKK I could >> see happening, but not to WKOX. >> >> -Dave Tomm >> "Mike Thomas" >> >> On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> >> > Several radio websites are reporting that Clear Channel's >> > Premiere >> > subsidiary is yanking >> > (can you 'yank' in the deep South?) Rush Limbaugh away from >> > Entercomm-owned WWL-AM in >> > New Orleans. Hmmmm...right now, directional-antenna engineers >> > (the >> > men who say 'NIF') >> > are working on the Sawmill Brook Parkway array in Newton so >> > WKOX-AM >> > 1200 can be a >> > playah in the Boston radio market. Will they keep the 'Radio >> > Rumba' format, or perhaps >> > try to enter the talk-radio fray hereabouts? CCU holds the keys >> > to >> > the E.I.B. and >> > could transfer the bloated bloviator, and also pick up the right- >> > wingwers just >> > liberated by WTTT. Just saying. >> > >> From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 28 23:00:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:00:27 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:14 PM 2/28/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >WCAP would be one such. Would Clark bite? I doubt whether Rush would >be offered as barter. Where else would a flip to 1200 produce an >opening where Rush is not already on a local signal? And why will nobody in this town pick up Ed Schultz? Like him or not, he has been in the top 10 most listened to talk radio hosts for the past 3 years, and has more than 3.25 million weekly listeners. It would be sooo nice to hear a progressive talker again, particularly one who not only gets good numbers in many markets but has been turning a profit for the past 2 years... From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 28 23:54:19 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:54:19 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 11:43 PM 2/28/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I listen to Ed with XM at Noon > >I believe the only station in New England that clears him is WHMP in >Northampton-Greenfield and that is on delay. One of life's mysteries. Among the excuses GMs usually give for not airing progressive talk is that it's not profitable. Ed turns a profit and has some very reputable national accounts. Then GMs say they wouldn't air it because it got no numbers. Ed beats Hannity, O'Reilly and even Limbaugh in certain markets, and Talkers magazine (a rightie publication) put him in the top 10 for the past 2 years -- last year, he was given an award as one of the 5 most influential talkers in America. Given that he's left on many issues, and right on a few, he can attract both Republicans and Democrats. Plus he is a long-time radio person with experience in the talk format. Wouldn't you think somebody in Boston or Providence would clear him? He could do a heck of a lot more than the format on Rhumba, that's for sure... From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 00:26:55 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:26:55 -0500 Subject: Yoi!! Pittsburgh mourns a broadcast giant Message-ID: <4fc429770802282126y55b107ebx6d7b43c885fa3f7e@mail.gmail.com> This may well be Scott's lead next Monday. Seldom do you see this much coverage over the death of a broadcaster. Myron Cope was the radio voice of the Steelers and was in a class by himself. RIP http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_554641.html http://postgazette.com/pg/08059/861127-66.stm From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 23:43:49 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:43:49 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.com> I listen to Ed with XM at Noon I believe the only station in New England that clears him is WHMP in Northampton-Greenfield and that is on delay. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > At 09:14 PM 2/28/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >WCAP would be one such. Would Clark bite? I doubt whether Rush would > >be offered as barter. Where else would a flip to 1200 produce an > >opening where Rush is not already on a local signal? > > And why will nobody in this town pick up Ed Schultz? Like him or > not, he has been in the top 10 most listened to talk radio hosts for > the past 3 years, and has more than 3.25 million weekly > listeners. It would be sooo nice to hear a progressive talker again, > particularly one who not only gets good numbers in many markets but > has been turning a profit for the past 2 years... > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 29 00:41:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:41:38 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m>, <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Feb 2008 at 23:54, Donna Halper wrote: > One of life's mysteries. Among the excuses GMs usually give for not > airing progressive talk is that it's not profitable. Ed turns a > profit and has some very reputable national accounts. Then GMs say > they wouldn't air it because it got no numbers. Ed beats Hannity, > O'Reilly and even Limbaugh in certain markets, and Talkers magazine (a > rightie publication) put him in the top 10 for the past 2 years -- > last year, he was given an award as one of the 5 most influential > talkers in America. So what excuse DO they give for not airing Ed Shultz? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 29 00:54:31 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:54:31 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 12:41 AM 2/29/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >So what excuse DO they give for not airing Ed Shultz? Nothing that makes any sense. Old excuses about "nobody wants to listen to progressive talk." Well, Ed's been on the air since 2004 and evidently 3.25 million nobodies have stuck by him. But not in Boston... can't give him some airtime in Boston. >:-o From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Feb 29 01:04:16 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:04:16 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C7A060.1030604@ttlc.net> Could be they just don't agree with his politics , but can't or won't say so directly. Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:41 AM 2/29/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> So what excuse DO they give for not airing Ed Shultz? > > Nothing that makes any sense. Old excuses about "nobody wants to > listen to progressive talk." Well, Ed's been on the air since 2004 > and evidently 3.25 million nobodies have stuck by him. But not in > Boston... can't give him some airtime in Boston. >:-o > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 29 02:09:00 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:09:00 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C7A060.1030604@ttlc.net> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C7A060.1030604@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20080229070905.04ADF44C4AF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:04 AM 2/29/2008, Roger Kirk wrote: >Could be they just don't agree with his politics , but can't or >won't say so directly. That may indeed be the real reason, and if so, it's very short-sighted. Hey, *I* don't agree with everything Ed says, but so what? He's entertaining. So are some of the rightie talkers. Why not let both sides be heard? From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Feb 29 07:54:32 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:54:32 -0500 Subject: WTTT-1150 improved signal northward (and 1600 is poorer) Message-ID: <8CA48E95D02E665-11A4-3CE2@webmail-mf11.sysops.aol.com> Over the past two or three weeks, the night signal of WTTT-1150 has become much stronger here at my location in the Pinehurst (southeast) section of Billerica, 8 miles due north of their Concord Ave., Lexington antenna site. This seems to have coincided with the format change from conservative talk to Spanish. Formerly at night, they'd dominate the channel but there was a fair amount of interference from WMRD, CKOC, CHGM, and others. Now it's in like a ton of bricks, almost as good as the Boston 50 kW's with the exception of WRKO which is only 3 miles away. I'm wondering if this is accidental or intentional. Did the FCC allow some loosening of the protection towards Quebec and Ontario co-channels ? I'd think that listeners up into the Lowell and Lawrence area (about 10-12 miles north of here) would be getting at least a passable 1150 signal at night versus the complete rubbish they used to get. Perhaps Dan Strassberg or one of the other facilities experts can comment. The station does nothing for me now. I wish they'd bring back the 1961-version WCOP that I enjoyed when I was going to the Brackett elementary school in Arlington. Eddy Mitchell was quite the character for after-school listening. One metro-Boston signal is noticeably poorer at night here: WUNR-1600. I used to tune their Irish show (on one of the weeknights) occasionally. The signal was far from perfect, but generally listenable. Over the last month or two, they are taking major grief here from WWRL NYC just about every night. If they jack up their power, maybe they'll be a contender again. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Feb 29 08:31:13 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:31:13 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C80921.7020500@cssinc.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:41 AM 2/29/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> So what excuse DO they give for not airing Ed Shultz? > > Nothing that makes any sense. Old excuses about "nobody wants to > listen to progressive talk." Well, Ed's been on the air since 2004 > and evidently 3.25 million nobodies have stuck by him. But not in > Boston... can't give him some airtime in Boston. >:-o Hillary was right. Its that "vast right wing conspiracy". Could it be that advertisers, locally or nationally, don't want to buy the time? Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Feb 29 08:39:07 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:39:07 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229070905.04ADF44C4AF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802282043r63089140ucfb80816dd5b71ae@mail.gmail.co m> <20080229045424.51B381B40E5@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C754C2.21752.6E58E6@joe.attorneyross.com> <20080229055435.EF0E41B401B@relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <47C7A060.1030604@ttlc.net> <20080229070905.04ADF44C4AF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C80AFB.2010904@cssinc.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 01:04 AM 2/29/2008, Roger Kirk wrote: >> Could be they just don't agree with his politics , but can't or won't >> say so directly. > > That may indeed be the real reason, and if so, it's very > short-sighted. Hey, *I* don't agree with everything Ed says, but so > what? He's entertaining. So are some of the rightie talkers. Why > not let both sides be heard? Could it be a name recognition thing? Outside of an existing market, who knows who Ed Schultz is? Rush and Hannity have greater name recognition due to their other areas (TV, books, arrests, etc). Remember, radio is not quality driven. If you own a station and you have the opportunity to pick up a name that folks know (Rush, Hannity, Hannity's Twit Partner, etc) vs Ed, no matter how good he is, or how well he does some markets, you'll go for the name (unless the terms are ridiculous). It'd be the same as if you (turning back the clock) suddenly owned an oldies station in Boston and had the choice between Dale Dorman and Scott Shannon. Dale's a Boston commodity. Scott doesn't have the Boston name recognition. Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 08:57:13 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:57:13 -0500 Subject: WTTT-1150 improved signal northward (and 1600 is poorer) References: <8CA48E95D02E665-11A4-3CE2@webmail-mf11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c87ada$ffd3d0f0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Mr Glavin, who lives in Methuen, has repeatedly commented that WTTT is not changing to night pattern at sunset. He first did so at least a month before the start of the Radio Luz LMA. I can neither confirm nor deny his assertion because I live so close to WTTT that the only way I could confirm would be to listen for the pattern change and I have not been curious enough to tune in just before sunrise or sunset and listen to a language that I don't understand to see if I can hear it. Your observation appears to provide corroboration, though. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: WTTT-1150 improved signal northward (and 1600 is poorer) > Over the past two or three weeks, the night signal of WTTT-1150 has > become much stronger here at my location in the Pinehurst > (southeast) section of Billerica, 8 miles due north of their Concord > Ave., Lexington antenna site. > > This seems to have coincided with the format change from > conservative talk to Spanish. > > Formerly at night, they'd dominate the channel but there was a fair > amount of interference from WMRD, CKOC, CHGM, and others. > > Now it's in like a ton of bricks, almost as good as the Boston 50 > kW's with the exception of WRKO which is only 3 miles away. > > I'm wondering if this is accidental or intentional. Did the FCC > allow some loosening of the protection towards Quebec and Ontario > co-channels ? > > I'd think that listeners up into the Lowell and Lawrence area (about > 10-12 miles north of here) would be getting at least a passable 1150 > signal at night versus the complete rubbish they used to get. > > Perhaps Dan Strassberg or one of the other facilities experts can > comment. > > The station does nothing for me now. I wish they'd bring back the > 1961-version WCOP that I enjoyed when I was going to the Brackett > elementary school in Arlington. Eddy Mitchell was quite the > character for after-school listening. > > One metro-Boston signal is noticeably poorer at night here: > WUNR-1600. I used to tune their Irish show (on one of the > weeknights) occasionally. The signal was far from perfect, but > generally listenable. > > Over the last month or two, they are taking major grief here from > WWRL NYC just about every night. > > If they jack up their power, maybe they'll be a contender again. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 08:38:47 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:38:47 -0500 Subject: WTTT-1150 improved signal northward (and 1600 is poorer) In-Reply-To: <8CA48E95D02E665-11A4-3CE2@webmail-mf11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA48E95D02E665-11A4-3CE2@webmail-mf11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00d801c87ad8$702f6ce0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I've noticed that too in West Andover. I never could really even hear WTTT at night, now I can. I happened to have purchased a cc-radio AM antenna to try to improve AM reception on my Sony HD radio about a month ago, and I thought that was the reason. But you may be right. >Over the past two or three weeks, the night signal of WTTT-1150 has become much stronger here at my location in the Pinehurst (southeast) section of Billerica, 8 miles due north of their Concord Ave., Lexington antenna site. >This seems to have coincided with the format change from conservative talk to Spanish. >Formerly at night, they'd dominate the channel but there was a fair amount of interference from WMRD, CKOC, CHGM, and others. Now it's in like a ton of bricks, almost as good as the Boston 50 kW's with the exception of WRKO which is only 3 miles away. I'm wondering if this is accidental or intentional. Did the FCC allow some loosening of the protection towards Quebec and Ontario co-channels ? I'd think that listeners up into the Lowell and Lawrence area (about 10-12 miles north of here) would be getting at least a passable 1150 signal at night versus the complete rubbish they used to get. Perhaps Dan Strassberg or one of the other facilities experts can comment. The station does nothing for me now. I wish they'd bring back the 1961-version WCOP that I enjoyed when I was going to the Brackett elementary school in Arlington. Eddy Mitchell was quite the character for after-school listening. One metro-Boston signal is noticeably poorer at night here: WUNR-1600. I used to tune their Irish show (on one of the weeknights) occasionally. The signal was far from perfect, but generally listenable. Over the last month or two, they are taking major grief here from WWRL NYC just about every night. If they jack up their power, maybe they'll be a contender again. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 11:25:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:25:29 -0500 Subject: WTTT-1150 improved signal northward (and 1600 is poorer) In-Reply-To: <00d801c87ad8$702f6ce0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <8CA48E95D02E665-11A4-3CE2@webmail-mf11.sysops.aol.com> <00d801c87ad8$702f6ce0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <4fc429770802290825h41a304d1gcb1cc71d619a2c37@mail.gmail.com> I heard them fine in Chelmsford last week for a hockey game as they still carry BC. I wonder if they are trying to sneak into Lowell and Lawrence at night? On 2/29/08, Jim Hall wrote: > I've noticed that too in West Andover. I never could really even hear WTTT > at night, now I can. I happened to have purchased a cc-radio AM antenna to > try to improve AM reception on my Sony HD radio about a month ago, and I > thought that was the reason. But you may be right. > > > >Over the past two or three weeks, the night signal of WTTT-1150 has > become much stronger here at my location in the Pinehurst (southeast) > section of Billerica, 8 miles due north of their Concord Ave., > Lexington antenna site. > > >This seems to have coincided with the format change from conservative > talk to Spanish. > > >Formerly at night, they'd dominate the channel but there was a fair > amount of interference from WMRD, CKOC, CHGM, and others. > > Now it's in like a ton of bricks, almost as good as the Boston 50 kW's > with the exception of WRKO which is only 3 miles away. > > I'm wondering if this is accidental or intentional. Did the FCC allow > some loosening of the protection towards Quebec and Ontario co-channels > ? > > I'd think that listeners up into the Lowell and Lawrence area (about > 10-12 miles north of here) would be getting at least a passable 1150 > signal at night versus the complete rubbish they used to get. > > Perhaps Dan Strassberg or one of the other facilities experts can > comment. > > The station does nothing for me now. I wish they'd bring back the > 1961-version WCOP that I enjoyed when I was going to the Brackett > elementary school in Arlington. Eddy Mitchell was quite the character > for after-school listening. > > One metro-Boston signal is noticeably poorer at night here: WUNR-1600. > I used to tune their Irish show (on one of the weeknights) > occasionally. The signal was far from perfect, but generally > listenable. > > Over the last month or two, they are taking major grief here from WWRL > NYC just about every night. > > If they jack up their power, maybe they'll be a contender again. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 29 11:29:57 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:29:57 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans Message-ID: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Clear Channel yanked Rush in Providence, putting it on their own WHJJ. As for advertisers not wanting to buy time, it has also happened on the Right here locally, as WTTT dumped its conservatalk lineup for Spanish-language religion. The syndicated (though Don Feder was briefly a host, IIRC) talk didn't click on 1150 with advertisers or listeners, just as the AAR/Jones hosts didn't work out for Clear Channel's AM properties in Boston. Clear Channel also found itself pulling prog talk in New Haven, Providence, Akron, San Diego...And some of those stations had better signals and even local hosts. A friend in the radio biz told me that the big companies like Clear Channel have lots of money put into these stations and they estimate their profits in each quarter--and when the profits don't reach expectations, changes happen. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 11:50:04 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:50:04 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] WBZ Audio (Was: Music Till Dawn on WEEI) Message-ID: <47C837BC.7010402@Gmail.com> Ron Bello wrote, > There was always a union tech on the other side of the > glass in master control. The only jock who had any idea > of different levels in the mid 70s was Bill Smith. He > would ask for adjustments. Compression did it for the rest. > > At 03:32 PM 2/27/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >>On 25 Feb 2008 at 18:42, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Well this didn't sit well with Westinghouse and they >>> devised a system to eliminate union jobs. The WEEI contract >>> stated that a technician must operate anything with a VU >>> meter. So WBZ whipped up combo boards with no VU meters and >>> made the jocks run them. >> >> Without VU meters, how did people keep from having the levels >> too high? An automatic limiter? I remember VU meters at WMUA >> in the 1960s, and we used to watch them while records were >> playing and while we were talking and adjust the levels as >> needed. Ahhh, so that's what it was! I remember liking to A/B between 1.030 and 106.7 back around 1979-81, when the FM cut in to the morning news: The AM had reverb and a nice thick, rich atmospheric depth, while the FM sounded empty and close-up, like you were right next to them in a small room or closet (like most stations??FM *and* AM??do now...UGH!!!). I even preferred their AM mono sound over FM stereo because of that rich atmospheric depth, though I didn't know what it was or why (some said that it sounded that way because it was a "big, powerful station", while others said it was because the records ran a bit faster than normal??). Those were the days! Then Steve Ordinetz replied, > They were still doing this in the late 70s/early 80s. > I remember seeing them broadcasting from their mobile studio > around that time and the jock was using a VU-less console > & just maxing the faders. > > Anyone know when 'BZ went with "traditional" boards? I believe when they started xmting in AM stereo??from that point on they sounded (and still do) just as flat and dull as any FM station...as do most other AM-ers: About the only halfway decent sounding ones left are 0.920-CJCH NS (and they are about to go dark for FM), 1.110-WBT NC and 1.170-WWVA WV (and I think even THEY don't sound as good as a few years ago!). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 11:50:11 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:50:11 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans Message-ID: <47C837C3.9040602@Gmail.com> Dan Strassberg wrote, > WCAP would be one such. Would Clark bite? I doubt whether > Rush would be offered as barter. Where else would a flip > to 1200 produce an opening where Rush is not already on a > local signal? Manchester? no; Worcester? no; Providence? no. > Isn't Rush already on 930 in the NH Seacoast? How about Fall > River and New Bedford? I believe 0.920-WHJJ takes care of the Prov-NB-FR market. P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 11:59:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:59:21 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> I have a theory on why Air America and Jones hosts have problems clearing stations and attracting advertisers. Listeners who would be attracted to left leaning hosts also tend to listen to NPR and will not tolerate long commercial breaks. when CC blew up WXKS and standards including a popular morning host with older listeners they spent a lot of in house money promoting 1430 and 1200 on billboards and taxicab ads that CC controls. All it accomplished was the old WXKS crowd discovering WJIB. The NPR listeners didn't budge. That said WWZN could not possibly do any worse with left leaning talk compared to what they have now. I don't know how 1510 can pay their electric bill as this is a station with ZERO listeners during the day. WEEI and WAMG are where the sports fans go. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 12:15:19 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:15:19 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Maybe 1200 will go talk and take Rush away from RKO. I doubt they would pay the fees even if it were available. Bill O'Neill // From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 12:26:44 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:26:44 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net> <4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com> <001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C84054.3060209@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WCAP would be one such. Would Clark bite? I doubt whether Rush would > be offered as barter. Where else would a flip to 1200 produce an WCAP was Rush's first station in the market early-on. He had a 2 hour show at the time. He then went to 'RKO when barter went bye-bye. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 12:28:36 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:28:36 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> What fees? CC owns Rush and by cutting out the middleman (Entercom) they would most likely generate more income than they get from RKO. CC has spent a fortune on this transmitter upgrade and I can not see them staying spanish. There just isn't the money in this market. On 2/29/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > Maybe 1200 will go talk and take Rush away from RKO. > > I doubt they would pay the fees even if it were available. > > Bill O'Neill > // > From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 29 13:31:17 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:31:17 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >> I don't know how 1510 can pay their electric bill as this is a station with ZERO listeners during the day.<< Unless I missed an ownership change or three, one of their owners is Paul Allen...Bill Gates' partner-in-whatever at Microsoft, and worth almost as much as Gates is. No worries about the electric bill. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 13:50:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:50:31 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Yeah, you missed the most recent ownership change. Allen's company sold WWZN and 620 in the New York market (WSNR) to Peter Davidson. It was about six months ago--give or take and I don't know the reported price for either station. Part of the public announcement of the sale was a statement that the programming would change to Spanish. That announcement was followed a day or two later with another announcement stating that the sports-talk format would stay. Now, of course, sports talk, some of which is itself brokered time, has become the filler between brokered religious programs and infomercials. Whatever can pay the rent--and I do mean rent. I think the rumored $25,000/month rent on the transmitter site exceeds the power bill. I have not heard what kind of programming runs on WSNR. Before the sale, I had heard that most of the day was in Russian. WSNR's power bill must be lower; it's 3 kW-D/7.6 kW-N but rumor has it that it is in jeopardy of losing its five-tower Meadowlands site adjacent to WLIB. WSNR has been at that site for only about 10 years more or less. Several years back, WSNR filed to move to a new seven-tower 15-kW DA-2 site very close to WBBR. WBBR was reported to be very unhappy about having seven new 350' towers so close by and to date the app seems to be stalled at the FCC. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans >> I don't know how 1510 can pay their electric bill as this is a >> station with ZERO listeners during the day.<< Unless I missed an ownership change or three, one of their owners is Paul Allen...Bill Gates' partner-in-whatever at Microsoft, and worth almost as much as Gates is. No worries about the electric bill. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 29 14:00:38 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:00:38 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D80106403D@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Yeah, you missed the most recent ownership change<< Can't keep the bleeping things straight without a scorecard. Thanks for the correction. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 14:01:15 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:01:15 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > and worth almost as much as Gates is. > > No worries about the electric bill. Yes, but I doubt Mr. Allen got as rich as he is by supporting losing enterprises and expense hogs (technical term). Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 14:02:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:02:54 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770802291102j37cfd26eu785502a23962fdc7@mail.gmail.com> WSNR is Caribbean Radio this week http://www.onecaribbeanradio.com/ On 2/29/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: I had heard that > most of the day was in Russian. From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 29 13:37:14 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:37:14 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063FB4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>What fees? CC owns Rush and by cutting out the middleman (Entercom) they would most likely generate more income than they get from RKO.<< Unless you know that for a fact, don't assume. Many companies with multiple divisions keep them entirely separate, and even if they're just moving money around on the books, it's entirely possible that Rush would cost a CC-owned station just as much as it costs us now. Rights fees and distribution costs don't go away just because he's on a station his syndicator owns. However, if they put Rush on a lesser signal, it's likely not going to bill as much, which means that, all else being equal, going to a CC-owned station might even make them less money than if he stays at WRKO. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 29 14:13:29 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:13:29 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18376.22873.539524.608137@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < CC has spent a fortune on this transmitter upgrade and I can not see > them staying spanish. There just isn't the money in this market. I suspect that would come as a surprise to the owners of 800, 1110, 1150, 1230, 1300, 1330, and 1360. (Not to mention 1200 and 1430.) Rumba doesn't cost that much to run, and the audience is clearly out there. How much of 1200/1430's low ratings is due to the fact that the night signals don't serve the core of the market? (And how much is due to the fact that Arbitron considers Boston a "non-Hispanic" market and thus doesn't go to particular effort to seek out Spanish-speaking panelists?) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 14:21:35 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:21:35 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802291102j37cfd26eu785502a23962fdc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c87b08$4e492370$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Raises the question of whether WSNR picked up Carribean when WLIB dropped it--at least WLIB is rumored to have dropped it. I did read what WLIB supposedly picked up in place of Carribean but I can't remember. Except for the fact that the term "musical radio stations" has a different (and rather pleasant) connotation, it would seem to be the appropriate term (in the "musical chairs" context). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Sid Schweiger" ; "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > WSNR is Caribbean Radio this week > > http://www.onecaribbeanradio.com/ > > > > > > On 2/29/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I had heard that >> most of the day was in Russian. From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 29 14:34:27 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:34:27 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <001b01c87b08$4e492370$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <000701c87b03$fa45dce0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770802291102j37cfd26eu785502a23962fdc7@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c87b08$4e492370$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C85E43.4060100@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Raises the question of whether WSNR picked up Carribean when WLIB > dropped it--at least WLIB is rumored to have dropped it. I did read > what WLIB supposedly picked up in place of Carribean but I can't > remember. Except for the fact that the term "musical radio stations" > has a different (and rather pleasant) connotation, it would seem to be > the appropriate term (in the "musical chairs" context). WLIB is running black gospel, mostly from a satellite service. That's been consistent pretty much since the progressive talk moved to WWRL a year or so ago. I believe the Caribbean programming on WSNR is running only on the weekends, with Russian and Jewish programming the rest of the time. There's quite a bit of Caribbean on WPAT(AM) as well. A lot of the leased-time signals in NYC are in transition - the ill-fated 540 on Long Island is running Jewish programming for one month only, in between longer-term leases, the Russian that was displaced from "87.7" still hasn't found a permanent home, and I heard a fair amount of "filler" music on several of Liu's signals, such as 930 and 1430, last time I was down there. s From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 29 15:00:37 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:00:37 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans Message-ID: <20080229200037.98E2C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> If I rememember right, Rush was on WHDH 850, first weekends and then weekdays. When WEEI moved from 590 to 850 in '94, the tag team of Rush and Howie then shifted to 'RKO. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 14:26:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:26:29 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com><47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net><4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com><47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com><4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> <18376.22873.539524.608137@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002501c87b08$fdba77f0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Don't forget 1600, which I believe was the original brokered-time Spanish station in this market. I know it isn't 100% Spanish but it must be more than 80% and it would not surprise me to learn that, thanks to its longevity, it bills more than any other Boston market station that programs in SS. I think 1470 also runs some Spanish but perhaps only as simulcasts of 1360. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: We can't air what he said but go to our website > < >> CC has spent a fortune on this transmitter upgrade and I can not >> see >> them staying spanish. There just isn't the money in this market. > > I suspect that would come as a surprise to the owners of 800, 1110, > 1150, 1230, 1300, 1330, and 1360. (Not to mention 1200 and 1430.) > > Rumba doesn't cost that much to run, and the audience is clearly out > there. How much of 1200/1430's low ratings is due to the fact that > the night signals don't serve the core of the market? (And how much > is due to the fact that Arbitron considers Boston a "non-Hispanic" > market and thus doesn't go to particular effort to seek out > Spanish-speaking panelists?) > > -GAWollman > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 29 15:31:46 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:31:46 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <002501c87b08$fdba77f0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com> <47C7329A.6010106@ttlc.net> <4fc429770802281443u5e53c6b8i83796bd26363dbde@mail.gmail.com> <47C83DA7.3010104@gmail.com> <4fc429770802290928w7ddafa40i52add851168b4837@mail.gmail.com> <18376.22873.539524.608137@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <002501c87b08$fdba77f0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18376.27570.263259.678840@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Don't forget 1600, which I believe was the original brokered-time > Spanish station in this market. I know it isn't 100% Spanish but it > must be more than 80% Every time I listen to WUNR, it's Haitian Creole (Kreyol), not Spanish. This may be sampling error. -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 29 16:00:58 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:00:58 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229200037.98E2C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <013401c87b16$2fe8ebf0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Correct. Along with the news department, if memory serves. I know Listo Fisher was at 'HDH for several years. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans If I rememember right, Rush was on WHDH 850, first weekends and then weekdays. When WEEI moved from 590 to 850 in '94, the tag team of Rush and Howie then shifted to 'RKO. From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 29 16:35:02 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:35:02 -0500 Subject: We can't air what he said but go to our website In-Reply-To: <18376.27570.263259.678840@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802281027g93e42f8m18d1796880d694d8@mail.gmail.com>, <002501c87b08$fdba77f0$b6eca644@SatU205S5044>, <18376.27570.263259.678840@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47C83436.31591.4D92B4@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Feb 2008 Garrett Wollman wrote: > Every time I listen to WUNR, it's Haitian Creole (Kreyol), not > Spanish. This may be sampling error. Funny, whenever I listen, it's Yiddish. But that's probably because that's the only reason I ever listen to WUNR. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 18:28:49 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:28:49 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <20080229200037.98E2C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080229200037.98E2C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47C89531.7030108@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > If I rememember right, Rush was on WHDH 850, first weekends and then weekdays. When WEEI > moved from 590 to 850 in '94, the tag team of Rush and Howie then shifted to 'RKO. > Methinks Bob is spot on! I don't remember what I ate for breakfast. b - From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 29 18:45:50 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:45:50 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C89531.7030108@gmail.com> References: <20080229200037.98E2C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <47C89531.7030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C8992E.40708@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: >> If I rememember right, Rush was on WHDH 850, first weekends and then >> weekdays. When WEEI >> moved from 590 to 850 in '94, the tag team of Rush and Howie then >> shifted to 'RKO. >> > > Methinks Bob is spot on! I don't remember what I ate for breakfast. Bob's definitely spot on. I actually enjoyed the Rush Limbaugh show circa 1989-90 (the guy wasn't nearly as full of himself back then), and when I moved to Boston in January 1990, I went looking for him and couldn't find him. Turned out he had no in-market weekday carriage yet, but WHDH was carrying him on weekends. That changed within a year or so...as did so very much else! s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Feb 29 18:51:50 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:51:50 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow. Bill O'Neill wrote: > Sid Schweiger wrote: >> and worth almost as much as Gates is. No worries about the electric >> bill. > Yes, but I doubt Mr. Allen got as rich as he is by supporting losing > enterprises and expense hogs (technical term). From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 18:58:13 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:58:13 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47C89C15.4050608@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow. Touche! From irw@well.com Fri Feb 29 18:58:52 2008 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:58:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Roger Kirk wrote: > Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow. I had Windows Mistake Edition - Towards the end of that Compaq's life, Windows Mistake Edition would freeze up very randomly - I could be using one of many different programs, have one Window open or multiple Windows, etc. Terrible waste of time. - Blaine --------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 29 19:52:18 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:52:18 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com>,<47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow.<< You forgot one that was even worse: Microsoft Bob. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 22:54:41 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:54:41 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com><47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001a01c87b54$6b4962e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Allen is srill a multibillionaire but he has not covered himself with glory in backing companies that are financial winners. Sporting News et al is just one of his duds. Perhaps the biggest is Charter Communications, the extremely unprofitable cable company. He has also shown tendencies toward profligacy. I remember a description of a yacht he had built a couple of years ago that was the personification of excess. Years ago, I believe he beat extremely long odds to survive a form of cancer that few survive. That experience, of course, might have changed his outlook on a lot of things. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow. > > Bill O'Neill wrote: >> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> and worth almost as much as Gates is. No worries about the >>> electric bill. >> Yes, but I doubt Mr. Allen got as rich as he is by supporting >> losing enterprises and expense hogs (technical term). > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 23:29:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:29:27 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com><9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com><47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com>, <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> And Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: RE: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans >>Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow.<< You forgot one that was even worse: Microsoft Bob. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 29 23:40:09 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:40:09 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com><9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com><47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com> <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002d01c87b56$56511f20$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Ahh, but that suite of tricks lives on in all subsequent Microsoft products. That's how Microsoft gets its customers to abandon older PCs and buy new ones that earn Microsoft royalties on new copies of operating systems and applications. It's called "planned obsolescence." Given the environmental impact of all of that discarded electronic equipment mouldering in dumps and leeching toxic chemicals into aquifers, you could probably make a strong case that Microsoft is the world's number one-cause of pollution. I suspect that the Gates Foundation is Bill's way of assuaging his conscience. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Thompson" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Roger Kirk wrote: > >> Well, there _was_ Windows ME. Not exactly a long-term cash cow. > > I had Windows Mistake Edition - Towards the end of that Compaq's > life, > Windows Mistake Edition would freeze up very randomly - I could be > using > one of many different programs, have one Window open or multiple > Windows, > etc. > > Terrible waste of time. > > - Blaine > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana > RadioWatch > irw@well.com > http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > >