From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 1 00:06:13 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:06:13 -0600 Subject: old WBUR tower torn down In-Reply-To: <49336B16.50004@fybush.com> References: <380-2200811030233036437@ix.netcom.com> <390109B67B2340A7BC72A37900CF354B@SatU205S5044> <49336B16.50004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770811302106r3f430b03q280e6b775428f268@mail.gmail.com> I will take an educated guess that the powers that be at BU changed the address to 640 to match the frequency of WTBU. On 11/30/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> I don't think they're talking about the Law School tower (if it's >> really on the Law School building--the tall building and the tower on >> top of it that are readily visible as you head east on the Mass Pike >> after you go though the Allston-Brighton tolls). AFAIK, that tower >> still stands and it is where I believe WBUR's aux antenna is located. >> Rather, I think the tower that came down was the one atop the low >> (three stories or so) building on Comm Ave that used to house the WBUR >> studios and SPRC. WBUR's antenna was on that tower before it moved to >> the tower atop the tall building. There is or was a large parking lot >> between the low building and Comm Ave. I always thought that the >> address of that building was 630 Comm Ave, but someone else gave a >> different address for it on this list a few days ago. > > The street address for the "Comm Building" does appear to have changed. > It was 630 Comm Ave when WBUR was there, from the fifties until the > mid-nineties, when BUR moved down the street to 890 Comm Ave. More > recently, the building has been known as 640 Comm Ave. I don't know why > it changed - but that's the building that had the tower on top that was > removed over the weekend. > > The taller facility across the street is the Law School, and WBUR still > has the aux up there. > > s > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 1 09:06:06 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:06:06 -0500 Subject: old WBUR tower torn down References: <380-2200811030233036437@ix.netcom.com> <390109B67B2340A7BC72A37900CF354B@SatU205S5044> <49336B16.50004@fybush.com> <4fc429770811302106r3f430b03q280e6b775428f268@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C6BD99CD48641FDB2E44785F153B041@SatU205S5044> Well, WBUR's address change is what I will now have to call part of a time-honored tradition for Boston-area radio stations that don't (exactly) change locations. For years, WTAO 740 was located (offices, studio, transmitter) at 439 Concord Ave in Cambridge. When Bob Bittner bought the station (and before he got the WJIB calls assigned), he returned the studio and offices to the orignal transmitter location, which had never changed. The landlord offered him a choice of any odd-numbered street address he liked from (I think) 431 to 449 Concord Ave, inclusive. The building occupies a full block along Concord Ave and presumably the USPS recognizes that entire range of odd numbers as being on that block and on that side of the street. I'm guessing, but I suspect that if even numbers had been a possibility (they are on the opposite side of the street, however), Bob would have picked 444, because it is (arguably) easiest to remember and is also an integer multiple of 74. But since that wasn't an option, he picked 443. Now, in the same situation, I would have picked 445 because it is divisble by 5. Go figure! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: old WBUR tower torn down >I will take an educated guess that the powers that be at BU changed > the address to 640 to match the frequency of WTBU. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Dec 1 12:00:30 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:00:30 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN Message-ID: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> WWZN 1510 debuted the Jeff Santos show today, though some people may have had to turn their clock radio in one direction or another to get a clear signal. In the 7-8 am hour, he had Robin Bergman on--Bergman was one of the people who had worked for the past two years to get "progressive talk" back on the air. The WWZN webpage, which AFAIK hasn't been updated yet (it wasn't earlier today) lists Steve Sweeney as having a show 9-10 am. If that's the case, kind of ironic, as Sweeney was known years ago for his imitations of Kevin White--and White was on during Santos 8-9 am hour! I had that on for just a minute or so--he was asking the former mayor if he was keeping up on things with a computer, etc. Should WWZN (kudos for actually having a daily local show! WXKS/WKOX didn't) try to appeal to more than just the progressive "base"? The idea of reaching out to others is interesting. One would think that this area is solidly progressive but the right-leaning shows in town have had some success, perhaps with some who might be conservative either socially or fiscally. There's the rub: only appeal to the hard left, or be inclusive? The same goes with the political parties; right after the most recent election, some on the hard right said that McCain was mushy, Republican-in-name-only, and only a true conservative would be able to win instead of someone trying to reach to other constituencies. Hmm. As for radio, I'd think it would have to reach out to some moderates at least, and maybe some of the other stations in town are at least throwing a bone to the left (Eagan and Braude? Leveille? Even "Democracy Now!" on some college stations) The thing is to make it entertaining and informative. I would suggest that politics and politics only probably isn't a wise bet. Can a Santos do some hours on general interest topics, as folks like Howie will do? HC doesn't just do local or national politics. He'll talk TV with Max Robins, interview an Al Kooper or a Mike Love, talk about "things in Boston that are gone", "what was your worst car", etc. Surely that would bring folks of all political stripes in--you can't live by politics alone. You have to lighten it up a bit. I guess Stephanie Miller was doing some of that; I know she did back in her days with a syndicated show that WRKO carried. From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Dec 1 11:37:16 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:37:16 -0500 Subject: old WBUR tower torn down Message-ID: <493412BC.7090705@gmail.com> There are, well WERE, two towers on the BU campus. One is the Law School tower on top of the actual LAW building (that's the proper capitalization in BU parlance), which is at the west end of Bay State Road, next to Marsh Chapel and the Library...also right next to Storrow Drive. There's a six bay antenna up there on an actual tower-tower on the roof, it's notable for it's remarkably small guy-wire footprint (out of necessity) given the height. I've talked to Mike LeClair (WBUR CE) about this tower a fair bit over the years, and I remember watching the crew renovate the tower (mostly replacing fittings and whatnot) while working at WBUR's current studios (890 Comm Ave) back in 1998. There's a reason there's no radomes on that array (or any other antennas, really) - the tower couldn't take the windload/weightload...although I'm told it's perfectly safe at the level it's at now. That array is WBUR's old primary, and now aux site. Has been since they moved to Needham/Newton (I think to FM-128 but I always screw those up) back in the early 1990's, IIRC. Maybe the late 1980's. I remember it was standard policy to fire up the aux site once a month to make sure it worked properly, and that we had to wait two minutes from startup for the filaments to warm up properly. Mike told me that whenever they'd fire up the aux, they'd get calls from downtown listeners asking why the signal suddenly got so much better! :-) Heh, 50kW ERP of FM from LAW certainly covers downtown Boston and Cambridge GREAT, but the Needham tower is much better for overall coverage of the region. Come to think of it, that was before WBUR's HD transmitter went in, so I wonder if that old tube beast is still there or if it was finally retired? I know it was used when the HD transmitter was installed a few years back, and again when the new DA for WBUR at Needham/Newton was put in about 2-3 years ago. Anyways, the tower that was taken down was on top of the COM building (College of Communication...formerly known as the School of Public Communication/SPC and before that known as the School of Public & Radio Communication/SPRC) at 640 Comm Ave, next door to the three-spired dorm Warren Towers at 700 Comm Ave. That was, WAY back in the day, the original tower for WBUR's transmitter - before the LAW tower was built. But it hasn't been used for anything since WBUR moved their studios to 890 Comm Ave (current home) from 630 Comm Ave (which is technically part of 640's building, but had a separate address so the USPS would send WBUR's mail straight to WBUR staff instead of running it through BU's mail system). Prior to that move, there was a microwave STL dish up there, out to Needham/Newton...and an old two-way whip that I think was police or fire, but wasn't in use. FWIW, the old WBUR studios (and a little of their offices) in the "630" part of the third floor are now the campus/web-only station's: WTBU. But they use 640 Comm Ave as their address because of the campus mail connection. The whole WTBU-at-640AM-now-in-640-Comm-Ave is a coincidence; WTBU used the old 640 AM CONELRAD frequency for its carrier-current transmitters long before the COM building was the COM building (it used to be a car dealership way back in the day, and until 1997 had the old automobile lift still in place as a freight elevator). Prior to WTBU being in COM, they were in the basement of the Myles Annex dorm (former Graham Jr. College - I know I'm misspelling that), and before that in a different place in the main Myles Standish dorm, and before that in a now-demolished space in the GSU Student Union where the ballroom and pipe organ now are. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 1 13:54:10 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:54:10 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN In-Reply-To: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <493432D2.7030801@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > If that's the case, kind of ironic, as Sweeney was known years ago for his imitations of Kevin White--and White was on during Santos 8-9 am hour! I had that on for just a minute or so--he > was asking the former mayor if he was keeping up on things with a computer, etc. "I'n nwot' bittah! I am nwot' bittah!" Hysterical stuff when Sweeney was guesting with Jerry back in the day. Even though the bit got old it never got unfunny. And not many could crack up Williams the way Sweeney could. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:02:30 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:02:30 -0600 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN In-Reply-To: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812011102k298bdcbbg1f1abaa582387333@mail.gmail.com> Should WWZN appeal to more then just the progressive base? They will appeal to anyone who gives them a check for the airtime.. you pay, we play is Davidson's game. So why the Kudos for a daily local show? It wasn't Davidson's doing..... Jeff Santos is paying for that time. Paul Walker On 12/1/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Should WWZN (kudos for actually having a daily local show! WXKS/WKOX didn't) > try to appeal to more than just the progressive > "base"? The idea of reaching out to others is interesting. One would think > that this area is solidly progressive but the right-leaning shows in town > have had some success, perhaps with some who might be conservative either > socially or fiscally. There's the rub: only appeal to the hard left, or be > inclusive? > The same goes with the political parties; right after the most recent > election, some on the hard right said that McCain was mushy, > Republican-in-name-only, and only a true conservative would be able to win > instead of > someone trying to reach to other constituencies. Hmm. As for radio, I'd > think it would have to reach out to some moderates at least, and maybe some > of the other stations in town are at least throwing a bone to the left > (Eagan and Braude? Leveille? Even "Democracy Now!" on some college stations) > The thing is to make it entertaining and informative. > > I would suggest that politics and politics only probably isn't a wise bet. > Can a Santos do some hours on > general interest topics, as folks like Howie will do? HC doesn't just do > local or national politics. He'll talk > TV with Max Robins, interview an Al Kooper or a Mike Love, talk > about "things in Boston that are gone", > "what was your worst car", etc. Surely that would bring folks of all > political stripes in--you can't live > by politics alone. You have to lighten it up a bit. I guess Stephanie > Miller was doing some of that; > I know she did back in her days with a syndicated show that WRKO carried. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 1 14:34:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:34:29 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN References: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80812011102k298bdcbbg1f1abaa582387333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E7F44F23C04C24979C29A73AD0F035@SatU205S5044> Well, SOMEONE is paying for the time. I don't think it necessarily has to be Santos himself. My theory was and is that it is some right-winger who can't get it through his head that the Fairness Doctrine is dead and can't be revived. This person, whoever it might be, must be paying for the time on WWZN to demonstrate that the Fairness Doctrine is not necessary. The person who is paying might be WWZN owner Peter Davidson himself. Who else can get the time as cheaply as the guy who owns the station? If I'm right, the Progressive programming will disappear from 1510 as soon as it becomes clear to the bill payer that the investment is unnecessary. At that point, the programming will either leave the air or perhaps move to a less expensive venue--say, a lower-powered station, such as WAZN 1470. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Prog. talk revived on WWZN > Should WWZN appeal to more then just the progressive base? > > They will appeal to anyone who gives them a check for the airtime.. > you pay, > we play is Davidson's game. So why the Kudos for a daily local show? > It > wasn't Davidson's doing..... Jeff Santos is paying for that time. > > Paul Walker From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Dec 1 15:00:53 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:00:53 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN Message-ID: <20081201200053.7E120CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Well, yes someone probably is paying for the time but I meant at least they're making the effort of doing a daily local show instead of just "turning on the bird" (which, actually, they will come 6 pm tonight). Clear Channel didn't go so far as to do that with WXKS/WKOX. So yes, while someone is paying for the time, at least someone stepped forward and volunteered to do a local show, etc. I'd hope that the Fairness Doctrine indeed probably can't be revived (and if so would not stand a court challenge). Yes, who knows, could be Davidson paying, himself! From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Dec 1 15:23:58 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:23:58 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN In-Reply-To: <493432D2.7030801@gmail.com> References: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <493432D2.7030801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877D8BCEE5B441188E6B0B025A50E61F@fs.uml.edu> I believe it was the other Kevin White impersonator that Jeff had on. I can't for the life of me remember his name. At first I figured it was Steve Sweeney since his show did follow Jeff's, but it was the other guy whose name escapes me. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:54 PM To: Bob Nelson Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Prog. talk revived on WWZN Bob Nelson wrote: > If that's the case, kind of ironic, as Sweeney was known years ago for his imitations of Kevin White--and White was on during Santos 8-9 am hour! I had that on for just a minute or so--he > was asking the former mayor if he was keeping up on things with a computer, etc. "I'n nwot' bittah! I am nwot' bittah!" Hysterical stuff when Sweeney was guesting with Jerry back in the day. Even though the bit got old it never got unfunny. And not many could crack up Williams the way Sweeney could. Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 15:27:56 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:27:56 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN References: <20081201200053.7E120CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00BF3FE796334A058EAF23ECE06132C3@MainXPPro> >> Well, yes someone probably is paying for the time but I meant at least >> they're making the effort of doing a daily local show instead of just "turning on the bird" (which, actually, they will come 6 pm tonight). Clear Channel didn't go so far as to do that with WXKS/WKOX. So yes, while someone is paying for the time, at least someone stepped forward and volunteered to do a local show, etc.<< I have been one that thought that 1510AM WWZN should go talk, as an alternative to WRKO (Progressive or otherwise). With the current ownership, I hardly think thats possible. Can anyone tell me a time when a show that has *purchased airtime*, has worked commercially (as in spot sales)? (About as sucessful as you could be would be to match The Irish Hit Parade on WROL.) This show will not be sucessful as long as the station is as disjointed as it currently is. (Sports, then progressive talk, then a funny guy, then horse racing, then religion, then...) It will be tough to find an audience, since every other time people tune to this station, there will be programming that not only dont they like, but will probably bug them.) From mike@miscon.net Mon Dec 1 16:06:36 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:06:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: holiday songs that are torture In-Reply-To: <49331703.6105be0a.7d3f.7d4e@mx.google.com> References: <493199AD.9020401@wvnh.net> <4932199E.90103@ttlc.net> <49331703.6105be0a.7d3f.7d4e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1228165596.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> >?Steve Ordinetz?wrote: > > What about "White Christmas" by Tiny Tim? Is it true he actually put > out a Christmas album?? Yes, Tiny Tim *did* put out a Christmas Album a year or two before his death, IIRC. btw, I am currently working on my annual Christmas music compilation. I have never - in 19 years - used any version of "Grandma Got Run Over..." or had singing dogs, burping frogs or any of that. Though there *have* been some rather whacko one-offs, most notably, "T'was a Weird Night Before Christmas" by Weird Beard and The Crazy Cajun, and a never-released Christmas song by Ken Curtis sinply called "Christmas."? And of course there's "Little Elfy" by Dorchester native, Ray Bolger. Mike From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Dec 1 17:10:35 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:10:35 -0500 Subject: old WBUR tower torn down In-Reply-To: <493412BC.7090705@gmail.com> References: <493412BC.7090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10812011410v12e63548pdf921d0397b51816@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Aaron Read wrote: > Prior to WTBU being in COM, they were in the > basement of the Myles Annex dorm (former Graham Jr. College - I know I'm > misspelling that), and before that in a different place in the main Myles > Standish dorm, and before that in a now-demolished space in the GSU > Student. When I visitied 'TBU in around 1972-73, they were in Standish. Chatted with John Gambling III while there. After Grahm Junior College closed, BU and 'TBU took over the Grahm administration building at 645 Beacon St. As I understand it, for a few years WTBU was located in where the old studios of Grahm's WCSB (also carrier-current, on 640AM) at 645 Beacon.. I had heard 645 Beacon flooded with water a couple of times during the 1980's. We never had water or flooding in there during my two years at Grahm. I was Production Director at WCSB 1972-73. Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 21:03:15 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:03:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: WZMY TV-50 has made the switch to digital Message-ID: <179573.41607.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WZMY TV-50 Derry NH has made the switch to digital. That said, I'm 14 miles, in Derry, from the transmitter in Hudson NH and had a very good but not perfectly crisp analog signal on an modest outdoor antenna. I typically got a 0-2 signal on my DTV converter box out of 100. This is worse than I get out of WTMW-8 DT46 with transmitter in Baldwin Maine. I need a signal at least 25 to get a DTV watchable signal. At my folks house in Londonderry 9 miles from the transmitter, a broken DTV signal (23-27 / 100) on a fringe outdoor antenna optimized at the transmitter. Absolutely nothing on the rabbit airs. Two separate aquintances of mine in downtown Derry across near town hall, 10.5 miles from the transmitter, never a signal on indoor antennas in spite of moving the antenna all around. Adjacent to the post office, 12 miles from the transmitter, no DTV watchable signal on an outdoor antenna. I wrote a letter to WZMY about a month ago and got a very nice and detailed and prompt response to my initial concerns. With the suggestions given to me I was able to get a signal as strong as 10 on a scale of 100, at the expense of losing Boston stations. Boston signals at best with much tweaking is a 44/100, but absolutely watchable. WZMY-DT is mostly unwatchable over the air in the city of license. I am will to bet that will the small ridge near the WZMY studio between them and the transmitter site, they can't even get a watchable DTV over the air signal at the studio! Are there coverage rules for the city of license for DTV? I don't think the ex-WNDS has any wind left in it's sails. John B From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 1 22:16:54 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:16:54 -0500 Subject: WZMY TV-50 has made the switch to digital In-Reply-To: <179573.41607.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C39A426EE874DBFA3BB59732271DD8F@DHPP0DB1> Another one that probably doesn't cover the COL with a great signal analog or digital is WMFP 62. The digital is probably better than the analog though. Also, speaking of them, has anyone else noticed that lately when they put the ID up on the screen at the top of the hour there is no mention of Lawrence? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of John Bolduc > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:03 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: WZMY TV-50 has made the switch to digital > > WZMY TV-50 Derry NH has made the switch to digital. > > That said, I'm 14 miles, in Derry, from the transmitter in Hudson NH and > had a very good but not perfectly crisp analog signal on an modest outdoor > antenna. I typically got a 0-2 signal on my DTV converter box out of 100. > This is worse than I get out of WTMW-8 DT46 with transmitter in Baldwin > Maine. I need a signal at least 25 to get a DTV watchable signal. > > At my folks house in Londonderry 9 miles from the transmitter, a broken > DTV signal (23-27 / 100) on a fringe outdoor antenna optimized at the > transmitter. Absolutely nothing on the rabbit airs. > > Two separate aquintances of mine in downtown Derry across near town hall, > 10.5 miles from the transmitter, never a signal on indoor antennas in > spite of moving the antenna all around. > > Adjacent to the post office, 12 miles from the transmitter, no DTV > watchable signal on an outdoor antenna. > > I wrote a letter to WZMY about a month ago and got a very nice and > detailed and prompt response to my initial concerns. With the suggestions > given to me I was able to get a signal as strong as 10 on a scale of 100, > at the expense of losing Boston stations. Boston signals at best with much > tweaking is a 44/100, but absolutely watchable. > > WZMY-DT is mostly unwatchable over the air in the city of license. I am > will to bet that will the small ridge near the WZMY studio between them > and the transmitter site, they can't even get a watchable DTV over the air > signal at the studio! > > Are there coverage rules for the city of license for DTV? I don't think > the ex-WNDS has any wind left in it's sails. > > > John B From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 1 23:04:53 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:04:53 -0500 Subject: WZMY TV-50 has made the switch to digital In-Reply-To: <3C39A426EE874DBFA3BB59732271DD8F@DHPP0DB1> References: <179573.41607.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3C39A426EE874DBFA3BB59732271DD8F@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <001901c95433$21776d70$64664850$@com> though. > > Also, speaking of them, has anyone else noticed that lately when they > put > the ID up on the screen at the top of the hour there is no mention of > Lawrence? > If I were from Lawrence, I wouldn't admit it either. [Brian Vita] From atolz@comcast.net Tue Dec 2 00:31:07 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:31:07 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN References: <20081201170030.5011649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><493432D2.7030801@gmail.com> <877D8BCEE5B441188E6B0B025A50E61F@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <847989A7A91045339EF74C9840C417DE@mediacenter> I think his name is Jim Morris...he's from S.F. and does a great inebriated Kevin White. I believe he was the infamous "Mayah" that cost Jerry's producer, Paul Yovino his job when RKO first went talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Prog. talk revived on WWZN >I believe it was the other Kevin White impersonator that Jeff had on. I > can't for the life of me remember his name. At first I figured it was > Steve > Sweeney since his show did follow Jeff's, but it was the other guy whose > name escapes me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Bill O'Neill > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:54 PM > To: Bob Nelson > Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Re: Prog. talk revived on WWZN > > Bob Nelson wrote: >> If that's the case, kind of ironic, as Sweeney was known years ago for >> his > imitations of Kevin White--and White was on during Santos 8-9 am hour! I > had > that on for just a minute or so--he >> was asking the former mayor if he was keeping up on things with a > computer, etc. > "I'n nwot' bittah! I am nwot' bittah!" Hysterical stuff when Sweeney > was guesting with Jerry back in the day. Even though the bit got old it > never got unfunny. And not many could crack up Williams the way Sweeney > could. > > Bill O'Neill > > From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Dec 2 02:18:02 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:18:02 -0500 Subject: WBUR Message-ID: I still remember the 10 Kilowatt Raytheon transmitter in the totally copper sheeted room, of course at the time it was run in mono. I also recall the CE ( the name escapes me, possibly Jim Bonney) tried to run stereo through it with very poor results. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Dec 2 04:17:33 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:17:33 -0500 Subject: Prog. talk revived on WWZN Message-ID: <20081202091733.1FF40CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> (Sweeney as Kevin Hagen White): "And someone said I stole (Mayor) Curley's desk. What about Moe's desk? Larry's desk? Are Laurel and Hahhhdy missing some furniture that I should know about? And someone comes up to me and says, 'Save the whales'--I could see saving stamps...." From map@mapinternet.com Tue Dec 2 18:57:46 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:57:46 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite Message-ID: <70F949EEB7974BCD81DDD61002546B09@yourm3vezyx8af> Springfield-- CH 40 Analog now Gone Mark Casey From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 21:17:31 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:17:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <70F949EEB7974BCD81DDD61002546B09@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <734466.132.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >From what I have been told, WGGB/40 analog transmitter gave up the ghost sometime on November 29th, two days before they were scheduled to discontinue analog service on December 1. Apparently, the station was only operating at half power (one out of two output tubes) in order to conserve the last gasps of the analog service. It didn't quite make it. From what I've seen on their FCC database, they plan to re-deploy the analog power deck for the digital service for Channel 40 DTV and even the original Channel 40 antenna which served them quite well and will continue to do so after February 17th when they make the final move back to 40, after shutting down their transitional DTV service on 55. I wish them well! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Mark Casey wrote: > From: Mark Casey > Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:57 PM > Springfield-- CH 40 Analog now Gone > Mark Casey From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 3 13:20:30 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:20:30 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <734466.132.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <70F949EEB7974BCD81DDD61002546B09@yourm3vezyx8af> <734466.132.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0812031020jb7f2655x4f2eefe58fbd1d11@mail.gmail.com> A story in today's Herald says on next Tue. there will be a "test" so people can see whether their TV (with rabbit ears/housetop antenna, etc.) is digital ready or not (or whatever)-- from 7 am to 5 pm, those without digital sets/converters/cable or sat. will see regular programming on Ch 2. Those without will see a program telling them what they can do. Other stations will do "tests" that day too. Next Tue is "DTV" day http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1136352 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Dec 3 13:32:34 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:32:34 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0812031020jb7f2655x4f2eefe58fbd1d11@mail.gmail.com> References: <70F949EEB7974BCD81DDD61002546B09@yourm3vezyx8af><734466.132.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0812031020jb7f2655x4f2eefe58fbd1d11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50168AB3C83A450E91B186575DB8BDB1@CurleyJoe> One of the problems I have encountered in helping people is that they don't understand that most of the stations are moving to the UHF band, even if their virtual channel number remains the same. So the old long pole rabbit ears won't work and you need an antenna with a good UHF element. I am wondering how my reception of WHDH-TV will be once they move from UHF back to VHF. I imagine I will have to extend the VHF poles on the antenna (which at the moment I have reduced to minimum). -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM To: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Cc: Mark Casey; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite A story in today's Herald says on next Tue. there will be a "test" so people can see whether their TV (with rabbit ears/housetop antenna, etc.) is digital ready or not (or whatever)-- from 7 am to 5 pm, those without digital sets/converters/cable or sat. will see regular programming on Ch 2. Those without will see a program telling them what they can do. Other stations will do "tests" that day too. Next Tue is "DTV" day http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1136352 From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 3 14:33:52 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:33:52 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <50168AB3C83A450E91B186575DB8BDB1@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Jim Hall > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:33 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: RE: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > > One of the problems I have encountered in helping people is > that they don't > understand that most of the stations are moving to the UHF > band, even if > their virtual channel number remains the same. So the old > long pole rabbit > ears won't work and you need an antenna with a good UHF element. I am > wondering how my reception of WHDH-TV will be once they move > from UHF back > to VHF. I imagine I will have to extend the VHF poles on the > antenna (which > at the moment I have reduced to minimum). > Except that a lot of the stations will go back to VHF in February. So you really can't check things out until after the switchover to see what channels are coming in, and to make appropriate adjustments. For instance, WHDH-DT is currently on Channel 42, but will return to actual channel 7 when 7 analog goes off the air. But WLVI-DT will remain on actual channel 41. but will be mapped to virtual channel 56. Confusing? Even those of us who work with this stuff every day are having fun keeping it all straight. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 15:57:42 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:57:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Channel Mapping In-Reply-To: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> Message-ID: <265714.35018.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Channel 60 analog, the Spanish station in Manchester/Merrimack NH, has never mapped to Channel 60. It maps as Channel 34 and is in fact DT-34. The info screen indicates channel 34. Never a reference to channel 60. Channel 50 analog Derry NH is just playing a continuous loop that WZMY has gone all digital. Boy what a nice analog signal! John B at work in Chelmsford MA From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 3 15:18:09 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:18:09 -0600 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> References: <50168AB3C83A450E91B186575DB8BDB1@CurleyJoe> <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812031218w39a33242s40417160fdbef8d2@mail.gmail.com> Larry and others When the changeover happens how much time will be involved for say WHDH to move digital from UHF back to VHF? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 3 18:06:52 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:06:52 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812031218w39a33242s40417160fdbef8d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <50168AB3C83A450E91B186575DB8BDB1@CurleyJoe> <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <4fc429770812031218w39a33242s40417160fdbef8d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18743.4364.871115.154010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Larry and others > When the changeover happens how much time will be involved for say > WHDH to move digital from UHF back to VHF? Every station has filed a transition plan with the FCC which describes the steps the station will need to take, if any. Do an "Application Search" in CDBS and you should see them starting from last February (when all stations were required to file their initial reports). -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 3 18:11:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:11:37 -0600 Subject: This can't be true..but it would not shock me Message-ID: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com> Curt Schilling posted on a Sox message board that he is in negotiations with Entercom to do a local political talk show on WRKO. If true Julie and Jason are desperate. Also his blog 38pitches.com is now on WEEI.com From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 18:32:54 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:32:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812031218w39a33242s40417160fdbef8d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> More than likely, Channel 7 will make the switch to DTV almost instantaneously or a few minutes after midnight on 2/17/09. WHDH probably already has a transfer switch, of sorts, to go between the analog to the digital equipment at the appointed time. I believe they are going to use the existing analog antenna on Channel 7 for the time being on the top of the tower, then later use a temporary DTV Channel 7 antenna on the old Channel 42 perch (side mounted) and the meantime replace the old Channel 7 antenna to a more efficent model that will handle DTV signal more effectively. WHDH's Channel 42 DTV will cease to operate at the time of the switch. WMUR/9 will do a similar situation. They will use the existing Channel 9 antenna at midnight and simply switch from analog to DTV with simple flick of a switch. Their old Channel 59 DTV will be switched off at the same time. I believe WMTW will do the same and return to Channel 8 as a DTV. This is a very exciting time in television. We've already seen part of transition already. WGGB/40, WGBY/57, WZMY/50 and more have already made the move to exclusively DTV. I would not be surprised if others will make an early exit. We shall see. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > To: "Larry Weil" , "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:18 PM > Larry and others > > When the changeover happens how much time will be involved > for say > WHDH to move digital from UHF back to VHF? From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 3 19:36:29 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:36:29 -0500 Subject: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 06:11 PM 12/3/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Curt Schilling posted on a Sox message board that he is in >negotiations with Entercom to do a local political talk show on WRKO. Why does Boston need yet one more rightie talker, especially one who is not as clever as he seems to think he is????? 8-) From billohno@gmail.com Wed Dec 3 19:55:38 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:55:38 -0500 Subject: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com> <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49372A8A.5020903@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Why does Boston need yet one more rightie talker, especially one who > is not as clever as he seems to think he is????? 8-) Southpaws need not apply? =-O b - From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 3 19:18:53 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:18:53 -0500 Subject: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812031218w39a33242s40417160fdbef8d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KBB00KYQSVF8V40@asmtp020.mac.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: kvahey@gmail.com [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:18 PM > To: Larry Weil; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > > Larry and others > > When the changeover happens how much time will be involved for say > WHDH to move digital from UHF back to VHF? Well, being that the new solid-state CH 7 digital transmitter is already in place, all you gotta do is switch off the old rigs (both 7 and 42), throw the antenna switch, and turn on the new rig. Maybe a couple of minutes, I guess. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From madprof@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 3 23:26:01 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:01 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me Message-ID: <380-2200812444261750@ix.netcom.com> Southpaws? bad (& appreciated) pun. no leftist perhaps because the station actually WANTS to have a right wing profile? IMHO (yes, humble), Boston area is not culturally right wing, so I'm surprized and rightist survived here! Trends of the holy dollar bring about strange things. Bob > [Original Message] > From: Bill O'Neill > To: Donna Halper > Cc: \(newsgroup\) Boston-Radio-Interest > Date: 12/3/2008 7:59:24 PM > Subject: Re: This can't be true..but it would not shock me > > Donna Halper wrote: > > Why does Boston need yet one more rightie talker, especially one who > > is not as clever as he seems to think he is????? 8-) > > Southpaws need not apply? =-O > > b - From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 01:11:19 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:11:19 -0500 Subject: This can't be true..but it would not shock me References: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com> <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: >>Curt Schilling posted on a Sox message board that he is in >>negotiations with Entercom to do a local political talk show on WRKO. > > ...especially one who > is not as clever as he seems to think he is????? 8-) Ouchie! From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 01:09:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:09:15 -0600 Subject: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770812031511i1093b7eamcbeb412901c4b58@mail.gmail.com> <20081204003637.1BFBF1CC0FB@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812032209v34d3113dm2d78e945df60016@mail.gmail.com> The entire concept that Entercom would even consider this makes me ill but Schilling will bring lemmings to WRKO simply because of his Sox connection. On 12/3/08, Donna Halper wrote: > At 06:11 PM 12/3/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Curt Schilling posted on a Sox message board that he is in >>negotiations with Entercom to do a local political talk show on WRKO. > > Why does Boston need yet one more rightie talker, especially one who > is not as clever as he seems to think he is????? 8-) > > From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Dec 4 01:18:50 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:18:50 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Peter Q. George wrote: > This is a very exciting time in television. I hope you're right. I'm thinking "disastrous" for people who don't live within 20 miles of a transmitter. I've spent some time plugging addresses into antennaweb for places I've lived in Central Mass. and Maine, places that had decent reception from all major networks. Once you throw the "digital" switch the channel choices drop to a small handful. In many towns around Worcester, you'd better learn Spanish because channel 27 will be your only friend. In central Maine, dozens of channels disappear and all you'll get is PBS. I live in Boston now, and I still have to move the antenna whenever I switch between digital channel 4 and the other digital channels. I lose the signal if people in the street open a car door, and I live 5 miles away from Needham. I hope there's plenty of room for improvement, because many people will need it. From heritageradio@msn.com Thu Dec 4 03:04:03 2008 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:04:03 -0500 Subject: Fw: WBUR Message-ID: Subject: Re: WBUR Yes, Jim Bonney was the cordial keeper of the kilocycles for many, many years at WBUR in the copper room. Jim was more than just a talented and highly motivated 1st class engineer, he was one of the most kindly and helpful broadcast veterans who helped many an inept and neophyte radio broadcasters through their first days on the air. It seemed he was always there to help a struggling student broadcaster. He was also a good friend to may of us. Tom Heathwood WBUR 1960-62. From heritageradio@msn.com Thu Dec 4 03:05:17 2008 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:05:17 -0500 Subject: Fw: BU SPRC Message-ID: Don't forget - The College of Communications was known WAY back as The School of Public Relations and Communications (SPRC) Tom Heathwood SOC '62 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Dec 4 03:34:00 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:34:00 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me Message-ID: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Schilling supported Bush in 2004 and McCain in 2008 (lest we forget, though, Mr. McCain was at one time John Kerry's choice to be veep, but turned it down, sports fans) and at the start of the '08 campaign he said the two candidates he found the most intriguing were McCain (remember, Schill lived in Arizona for awhile) and some longshot guy, you know, used to be a community organizer. (Yup, the two who he seemed most interested in wound up facing each other in the political World Series) WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; Henry, Werner, and Epstein are all liberals and there are photos on BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. 2004) showing them campaigning with Kerry. Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just before the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt Romney to throw the first pitch but of course he never made it to the nomination... From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 4 10:48:56 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:48:56 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> Message-ID: <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> At 01:18 AM 12/4/2008, Mark Laurence wrote: >On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Peter Q. George wrote: > >> This is a very exciting time in television. > >I hope you're right. I'm thinking "disastrous" for people who don't >live within 20 miles of a transmitter. I've spent some time plugging >addresses into antennaweb for places I've lived in Central Mass. and >Maine, places that had decent reception from all major networks. >Once you throw the "digital" switch the channel choices drop to a >small handful. In many towns around Worcester, you'd better learn >Spanish because channel 27 will be your only friend. In central >Maine, dozens of channels disappear and all you'll get is PBS. I >live in Boston now, and I still have to move the antenna whenever I >switch between digital channel 4 and the other digital channels. I >lose the signal if people in the street open a car door, and I live 5 >miles away from Needham. I hope there's plenty of room for >improvement, because many people will need it. To begin with, I think Antennaweb may be giving you info based on the current digital channels, and not those after the switch. As I noted in a previous post, some of the digitals are going back to VHF after the switch. I think this may include some of the Providence stations, and as I remember from when my sister went to college in Worcester the Providence stations came in better there than the ones from Boston. That said, here in Salem, NH, I receive all the current digitals from Boston and NH, as well as WMTW-DT from Maine. Granted, I have an antenna 30 feet up with a rotator, which not everyone has. But we can't stop the world just because a few people are unwilling to do anything to deal with the change. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Dec 4 11:57:21 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:57:21 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> Message-ID: <18744.3057.704925.540167@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Granted, I have an antenna 30 feet up with a rotator, which not > everyone has. Which is, for what it's worth, what the FCC considers to be reasonable equipment for someone who is getting TV off-air. The DTV bandplan was never intended to provide rabbit-ears reception for fringe viewers. -GAWollman From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Dec 4 11:58:16 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:58:16 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> Message-ID: <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 01:18 AM 12/4/2008, Mark Laurence wrote: >> On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Peter Q. George wrote: >> >>> This is a very exciting time in television. >> >> I hope you're right. I'm thinking "disastrous" for people who don't >> live within 20 miles of a transmitter. I've spent some time plugging >> addresses into antennaweb for places I've lived in Central Mass. and >> Maine, places that had decent reception from all major networks. >> Once you throw the "digital" switch the channel choices drop to a >> small handful. In many towns around Worcester, you'd better learn >> Spanish because channel 27 will be your only friend. > > To begin with, I think Antennaweb may be giving you info based on > the current digital channels, and not those after the switch. As I > noted in a previous post, some of the digitals are going back to > VHF after the switch. I think this may include some of the > Providence stations, and as I remember from when my sister went to > college in Worcester the Providence stations came in better there > than the ones from Boston. In some Worcester locations Providence works, but not all of them. Antennaweb is including the planned changes in February with the VHF moves. But the new stations are not indicated in most of the locations I tried. > > That said, here in Salem, NH, I receive all the current digitals > from Boston and NH, as well as WMTW-DT from Maine. Granted, I have > an antenna 30 feet up with a rotator, which not everyone has. But > we can't stop the world just because a few people are unwilling to > do anything to deal with the change. That's a good answer for people who haven't done anything, but what about the people who have: 1. applied for the coupon 2. gone to the store to buy a converter 3. gone back to the store to buy a connection that wasn't included 4. bought a new antenna 5. spent hours rotating the antenna and resetting the converter And in February they can't get anything off-air except channel 27? The pictures are great when it works, but this is not a great system. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Dec 4 12:25:21 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:25:21 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:34 AM 12/4/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: >WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; >Henry, Werner, and Epstein >are all liberals and there are photos on BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. >2004) showing them campaigning >with Kerry. Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just >before the 2004 Democratic >National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt Romney to >throw the first pitch but of >course he never made it to the nomination... I am not being critical of Schilling's views-- although I do find him a bit of a blowhard. I am saying that as a radio consultant, I can tell you that just because somebody is a celebrity, that doesn't mean they'll be a good talk show host-- it's an art. Al Franken is a leftie and his talk show was generally awful. From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 12:29:10 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:29:10 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <004501c95635$d1f94700$75ebd500$@net> And think about the stupid money they will end up paying him to do a couple of hours of air that few people will listen to after the novelty wears off when they could get, oh, I don't know, real radio people, who know what they are doing, regardless of opinion, for a song right now. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:25 PM To: Bob Nelson; madprof@ix.netcom.com; boston-radio-interest Subject: Re: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me At 03:34 AM 12/4/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: >WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; >Henry, Werner, and Epstein >are all liberals and there are photos on BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. >2004) showing them campaigning >with Kerry. Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just >before the 2004 Democratic >National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt Romney to >throw the first pitch but of >course he never made it to the nomination... I am not being critical of Schilling's views-- although I do find him a bit of a blowhard. I am saying that as a radio consultant, I can tell you that just because somebody is a celebrity, that doesn't mean they'll be a good talk show host-- it's an art. Al Franken is a leftie and his talk show was generally awful. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Dec 4 12:38:42 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:38:42 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> Message-ID: <493815A2.5080007@ttlc.net> Mark Laurence wrote: > That's a good answer for people who haven't done anything, but what > about the people who have: > > 1. applied for the coupon > 2. gone to the store to buy a converter > 3. gone back to the store to buy a connection that wasn't included > 4. bought a new antenna > 5. spent hours rotating the antenna and resetting the converter > > And in February they can't get anything off-air except channel 27? > > The pictures are great when it works, but this is not a great system. It's a great system to convince people that cable is their best choice. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 4 13:22:21 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:22:21 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) In-Reply-To: <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> Message-ID: <001701c9563d$44bed280$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:58 AM > To: Larry Weil > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog > was shut downSun nite) > > > That said, here in Salem, NH, I receive all the current > digitals from > > Boston and NH, as well as WMTW-DT from Maine. Granted, I have an > > antenna 30 feet up with a rotator, which not everyone has. But we > > can't stop the world just because a few people are unwilling to do > > anything to deal with the change. > > That's a good answer for people who haven't done anything, > but what about the people who have: > > 1. applied for the coupon > 2. gone to the store to buy a converter > 3. gone back to the store to buy a connection that wasn't > included 4. bought a new antenna 5. spent hours rotating the > antenna and resetting the converter > > And in February they can't get anything off-air except channel 27? > > The pictures are great when it works, but this is not a great system. Well, it looks like some people will need to get basic cable to get the same stations they were getting before. But I stand by my position that there's no need to panic at this time, that people should wait until the change-over happens, and then access the situation. Sites like Antennaweb only offer a prediction based on predicted contours (and a very conservative one at that), I think many people will be pleasantly surprised on February 17. Isn't the real purpose of Antennaweb to sell antennas anyway? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 4 13:51:16 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: On the other hand, someone's NOT being a celebrity doesn't guarantee that he can do a good talk show either. I wouldn't call Jeff Santos a celebrity--except in his own mind, and I would put his show in the same category as you put Franken's. Some people are likely to say that Franken's show was better than Santos's', while others would call Franken's show worse. But I think that virtually everybody who had a chance to hear both shows would agree that both were/are pretty bad. Franken did have the advantage of national distribution, which helped to get him some good guests, of whom he often asked some good questions, albeit usually in a most uninteresting way. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" ; ; "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me > At 03:34 AM 12/4/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; >>Henry, Werner, and Epstein >>are all liberals and there are photos on BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. >>2004) showing them campaigning >>with Kerry. Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just >>before the 2004 Democratic >>National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt Romney to >>throw the first pitch but of >>course he never made it to the nomination... > > I am not being critical of Schilling's views-- although I do find > him a bit of a blowhard. I am saying that as a radio consultant, I > can tell you that just because somebody is a celebrity, that doesn't > mean they'll be a good talk show host-- it's an art. Al Franken is > a leftie and his talk show was generally awful. From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 13:56:45 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:56:45 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <005101c95642$0dfb40d0$29f1c270$@net> I would agree with this point but it really all comes down to ratings and results for clients and advertisers. At a rumored $40K, Reece on the Radio was a pretty good bargain. He seemed to get quality calls and there were ads on whenever I listened. But will Schilling produce the same results while being paid handsomely more? Or, why isn't he on 'EEI, in a network slot, playing on all the stations? That would seem to be a bigger play both for air content, quality, and advertiser results. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:51 PM To: Bob Nelson; Robert F. Sutherland; boston-radio-interest; Donna Halper Subject: Re: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me On the other hand, someone's NOT being a celebrity doesn't guarantee that he can do a good talk show either. I wouldn't call Jeff Santos a celebrity--except in his own mind, and I would put his show in the same category as you put Franken's. Some people are likely to say that Franken's show was better than Santos's', while others would call Franken's show worse. But I think that virtually everybody who had a chance to hear both shows would agree that both were/are pretty bad. Franken did have the advantage of national distribution, which helped to get him some good guests, of whom he often asked some good questions, albeit usually in a most uninteresting way. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" ; ; "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me > At 03:34 AM 12/4/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; >>Henry, Werner, and Epstein >>are all liberals and there are photos on BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. >>2004) showing them campaigning >>with Kerry. Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just >>before the 2004 Democratic >>National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt Romney to >>throw the first pitch but of >>course he never made it to the nomination... > > I am not being critical of Schilling's views-- although I do find > him a bit of a blowhard. I am saying that as a radio consultant, I > can tell you that just because somebody is a celebrity, that doesn't > mean they'll be a good talk show host-- it's an art. Al Franken is > a leftie and his talk show was generally awful. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 14:09:27 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:09:27 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <005101c95642$0dfb40d0$29f1c270$@net> Message-ID: <5B83F163F6A74F1199B8AE0AEC86113C@MainXPPro> > At a rumored $40K, Reece on the Radio was a pretty good bargain. I think the reported $40k was the Hartford salary...... From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 13:43:14 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:43:14 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSunnite) In-Reply-To: <001701c9563d$44bed280$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com><544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com><0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com><273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> <001701c9563d$44bed280$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: I think you may be right when you say people will be pleasantly surprised. I live about 30 miles North of Boston along I-93, and there are lots of people who don't have cable TV (the "I never watch TV and when I do it's only PBS" crowd in Andover.) I keep a rabbit ears antenna connected for the few occasions when the cable goes out. When I got my digital set, I was pleased to receive all the Boston and NH digital stations without any adjustment or fiddling with the antenna. Channels 2, 4, and 5 analog were always full of snow and multipath on the antenna; the digital versions come in beautifully with the same antenna. This is at about sea level too...I am not on a hill or anything. I do wonder what happens when 7, 9, and 11 go back to those channels: the high-band VHF channels were usually pretty clear on the antenna, but it will be interesting to see what the digital signals look like at those frequencies. -Well, it looks like some people will need to get basic cable to get the --same -stations they were getting before. But I stand by my position that there's -no need to panic at this time, that people should wait until the change-over -happens, and then access the situation. Sites like Antennaweb only offer a -prediction based on predicted contours (and a very conservative one at -that), I think many people will be pleasantly surprised on February 17. -Isn't the real purpose of Antennaweb to sell antennas anyway? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 4 14:10:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:10:21 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com><544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com><0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> Message-ID: I think the worst part of the over-the-air system is that the audio is almost always the first part of the content that drops out. You can usually follow the content without the picture but you can rarely do so without the audio. The audio stream is not robust enough. A larger percentage of the bits in the audio stream should have been devoted to error correction. I have several times lost the audio for more than a minute while the video was completely unimpaired. No doubt, some people will say that that situation cannot happen. It has happened to me more than once. The system was not designed to be robust enough and it was obviously not adequately tested. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) > > The pictures are great when it works, but this is not a great > system. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Dec 4 15:15:41 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:15:41 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) In-Reply-To: References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> Message-ID: <18744.14957.697812.736801@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > so without the audio. The audio stream is not robust enough. A larger > percentage of the bits in the audio stream should have been devoted to > error correction. At the layer where error correction is relevant, there is no distinction between the bits that represent audio and the bits that represent video. Error-correction happens before demultiplexing. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Thu Dec 4 11:23:09 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:23:09 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>As I noted in a previous post, some of the digitals are going back to VHF after the switch. I think this may include some of the Providence stations, and as I remember from when my sister went to college in Worcester the Providence stations came in better there than the ones from Boston.<< According to the FCC, here's where everything settles down after 2/17/09: ANALOG -> DIGITAL MA (Boston and Worcester metro only): 7 -> 7 2 -> 19 5 -> 20 4 -> 30 25 -> 31 68 -> 32 38 -> 39 44 -> 43 56 -> 41 62 -> 18 66 -> 27 46 -> 10 27 -> 29 48 -> 47 NH (southeastern only): 21 -> 33 50 -> 35 11 -> 11 9 -> 9 60 -> 34 RI: 64 -> 12 12 -> 13 36 -> 21 10 -> 51 From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 4 15:43:11 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:43:11 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4937FA8F.25031.653F5F@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Dec 2008 Bob Nelson wrote: > WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; Henry, > Werner, and Epstein are all liberals and there are photos on > BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. 2004) showing them campaigning with Kerry. > Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just before the 2004 > Democratic National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt > Romney to throw the first pitch but of course he never made it to the > nomination... Since it has been customary for the President to throw the first ball in Washington (or somewhere else, while there was no team in Washington), I don't know why the Governor shouldn't regularly throw out the first ball at Fenway Park. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 4 15:43:12 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:43:12 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <493815A2.5080007@ttlc.net> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com>, <493815A2.5080007@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4937FA90.6068.654182@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Dec 2008 Roger Kirk wrote: > It's a great system to convince people that cable is their best > choice. Or satellite. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 4 15:43:12 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:43:12 -0500 Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me In-Reply-To: <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20081204083400.365C483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <20081204172529.AEFD37B93F8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4937FA90.32692.65424D@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Dec 2008 Donna Halper wrote: > I am not being critical of Schilling's views-- although I do find him > a bit of a blowhard. I am saying that as a radio consultant, I can > tell you that just because somebody is a celebrity, that doesn't mean > they'll be a good talk show host-- it's an art. Al Franken is a > leftie and his talk show was generally awful. I guess that's a matter of taste. Al Franken was the one show on Air America that I liked best. Most of the others just shouted a lot. They didn't sound any better than the right wing guys. Franken had a lot of real facts and guests who knew what they were talking about. He even had some conservatives on who disagreed with him. And he used his comic skills to do some humorous bits. Same reason I like Rachel Maddow better than Keith Olberman on MSNBC. Or at least that's the way I saw it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From MauOB@aol.com Thu Dec 4 15:57:59 2008 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:59 EST Subject: Re3: This can't be true..but it would not shock me Message-ID: Not to mention Romney and family have long held season tickets. Maureen In a message dated 12/4/2008 12:44:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Joe@attorneyross.com writes: On 4 Dec 2008 Bob Nelson wrote: > WRKO is also welcome to have the team's bigwigs do a talk show; Henry, > Werner, and Epstein are all liberals and there are photos on > BostonDirtDogs.com (Nov. 2004) showing them campaigning with Kerry. > Kerry was allowed to throw out the first pitch just before the 2004 > Democratic National Convention. Don't know if they ever allowed Mitt > Romney to throw the first pitch but of course he never made it to the > nomination... Since it has been customary for the President to throw the first ball in Washington (or somewhere else, while there was no team in Washington), I don't know why the Governor shouldn't regularly throw out the first ball at Fenway Park. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Dec 4 16:12:56 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:12:56 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <2A846D4B-1D7D-4AC3-8EBE-669E7E5B1D5D@mac.com> On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> According to the FCC, here's where everything settles down after >>> 2/17/09: > > ANALOG -> DIGITAL > MA (Boston and Worcester metro only): > 7 -> 7 > 2 -> 19 > 5 -> 20 > 4 -> 30... > 46 -> 10... > > RI: > 64 -> 12 > 12 -> 13... > 10 -> 51 Is it still true that VHF will have significantly better coverage than UHF signals? If so, I don't understand the logic behind these allocations. Why does zero-audience channel 46 in Norwell get to pick up a VHF frequency when long-established major stations go into the UHF wilderness? Did the FCC just roll dice? Did some broadcasters decide that over-the-air doesn't mean anything? I can understand why you wouldn't think anything was wrong if you live in an area with perfect reception. Many people don't. Some are even residents of the city of license. I expect we'll hear from many of them in February. Is there any potential for power increases, or repeaters? If Boston stations can't cover Worcester, then there should be Worcester stations to carry the major broadcast networks. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 4 17:01:37 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:01:37 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com><544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com><0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <2A846D4B-1D7D-4AC3-8EBE-669E7E5B1D5D@mac.com> Message-ID: <9774034B58E341B8B423D88292A58B6D@SatU205S5044> I'm not so sure that, with the technology currently being shipped, the Vs have better range than the Us, especially with the power allowed, which, as with analog, is highest for Us, significantly lower for high-band Vs, and lowest of all for low-band Vs. I have a Panasonic DTV receiver (date of manufacture April 2008, purchased late June 2008). The set is hooked to an indoor antenna (rabbit ears for VHF plus a UHF loop in a single unit). When I use the up and down arrows to change channels, I have the tuner set to stop only on digital signals, but I can still select analog channels by keying in the channel numbers. I live in Arlington Heights near the Lexington line, near the top of Belmont Hill. The Park Circle water tower (the highest or nearly the highest point in Arlington is ~0.5 miles to my northeast. Although it is not line of sight from my house to the three tall towers in Newton/Needham, there are no significant hills between me and them. The distance is less than 10 airline miles. The analog signals I can receive on Channels 2, 4, and 5 are simply dreadful--very snowy. Channel 7 analog is better but not as good as I would have expected. The analog signals on 25, 38, 44, 56, and 68 are quite good--better than on older analog-only (NTSC) receivers. I don't understand the poor analog reception on the low-band Vs, but since their DTV will be on UHF, I haven't worried about it. I am a bit concerned about the reception on Channel 7 after its DTV signal moves onto Channel 7. At present, I don't have unusual problems with 7's DTV, which is temporarily on a UHF channel. The one local DTV channel that is more of a problem than the others is 38. Doesn't CBS own 38? If so, I wish there were room for it on the Channel 4 tower because the digital signals from 2, 4, 5, and 44, which all use that tower, have been pretty trouble free. OTOH, 25, 38, 56, 62, and 68 all transmit DTV on UHF from the candelabra tower and of those, only 38 is troublesome for me. Go figure! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) > On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>>> According to the FCC, here's where everything settles down after >>>> 2/17/09: >> >> ANALOG -> DIGITAL >> MA (Boston and Worcester metro only): >> 7 -> 7 >> 2 -> 19 >> 5 -> 20 >> 4 -> 30... >> 46 -> 10... >> >> RI: >> 64 -> 12 >> 12 -> 13... >> 10 -> 51 > > Is it still true that VHF will have significantly better coverage > than UHF signals? If so, I don't understand the logic behind these > allocations. Why does zero-audience channel 46 in Norwell get to > pick up a VHF frequency when long-established major stations go into > the UHF wilderness? Did the FCC just roll dice? Did some > broadcasters decide that over-the-air doesn't mean anything? > > I can understand why you wouldn't think anything was wrong if you > live in an area with perfect reception. Many people don't. Some > are even residents of the city of license. I expect we'll hear > from many of them in February. > > Is there any potential for power increases, or repeaters? If Boston > stations can't cover Worcester, then there should be Worcester > stations to carry the major broadcast networks. From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 4 17:20:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:20:05 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) In-Reply-To: <9774034B58E341B8B423D88292A58B6D@SatU205S5044> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com><544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com><0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <2A846D4B-1D7D-4AC3-8EBE-669E7E5B1D5D@mac.com> <9774034B58E341B8B423D88292A58B6D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49385795.9040001@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The analog signals I can receive on Channels 2, 4, and 5 are simply > dreadful--very snowy. Channel 7 analog is better but not as good as I > would have expected. The analog signals on 25, 38, 44, 56, and 68 are > quite good--better than on older analog-only (NTSC) receivers. I don't > understand the poor analog reception on the low-band Vs, but since > their DTV will be on UHF, I haven't worried about it. I am a bit > concerned about the reception on Channel 7 after its DTV signal moves > onto Channel 7. At present, I don't have unusual problems with 7's > DTV, which is temporarily on a UHF channel. The one local DTV channel > that is more of a problem than the others is 38. Doesn't CBS own 38? > If so, I wish there were room for it on the Channel 4 tower because > the digital signals from 2, 4, 5, and 44, which all use that tower, > have been pretty trouble free. OTOH, 25, 38, 56, 62, and 68 all > transmit DTV on UHF from the candelabra tower and of those, only 38 is > troublesome for me. Go figure! 38's DTV (on 39) transmits from the channel 4 tower. Only the analog is at the candelabra. s From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Dec 4 17:23:04 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:23:04 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut downSun nite) In-Reply-To: <9774034B58E341B8B423D88292A58B6D@SatU205S5044> References: <893210.70576.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <544508D5-D61C-4C2B-AAAB-097571522B41@mac.com> <0KBC00MVVZXMWF40@asmtp020.mac.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC45FF606@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <2A846D4B-1D7D-4AC3-8EBE-669E7E5B1D5D@mac.com> <9774034B58E341B8B423D88292A58B6D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18744.22600.788086.676238@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The one local DTV channel that is more of a problem than the others > is 38. Doesn't CBS own 38? If so, I wish there were room for it on > the Channel 4 tower because the digital signals from 2, 4, 5, and > 44, which all use that tower, have been pretty trouble free. 38's DTV, on channel 39, is combined on the same master UHF panel antenna as 4 (RF 30), 5 (RF 20), and 44 (RF 43). 2 (RF 19) and 44 (analog) are combined on the next antenna down. (It was done this way because the combiner vendor couldn't design a workable combiner with sufficient isolation between the first-adjacents.) > OTOH, 25, 38, 56, 62, and 68 all transmit DTV on UHF from the > candelabra tower No, only 25 (RF 31) and 56 (RF 41) are on the candelabra with digital. 62's and 68's DTs are on FM-128. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Dec 4 17:36:54 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: my new book is out (shameless plug) Message-ID: <20081204223703.9EA95207F28@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> (Btw, the price you see on the page is the textbook price-- the company will be optioning the paperback rights, and that edition will be cheaper.) Tell your local library that they can't live without this book!!! http://www.greenwood.com/books/printFlyer.aspx?sku=GR4381 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 18:23:55 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:23:55 -0500 Subject: Sun Sets On WUML's "Sunrise" Message-ID: <007301c95667$60603db0$0402a8c0@Mark> WUML's "Sunrise" radio show will air it's final broadcast Friday morning. The show is being cancelled as part of $4 million in budget cuts ordered by Chancellor Marty Meehan as a result of state funding cutbacks. "Sunrise" co-host Bob Ellis will remain on the U Mass Lowell payroll, as he will now work in Media Relations for the university's Atheltic Department, plus will continue to call U Mass Lowell hockey on WUML, and produce and co- host a U Mass Lowell produced sports show that airs Thursday evenings on WCAP. No mention in the Lowell Sun article (which starts on the front page of Thursday's print edition) about the fate of the others who worked on the "Sunrise" show or what will air in the 6 to 9 AM slot weekdays, my guess is that the airtime will be given back to the students, who as many on the list recall were very unhappy when the time was taken away for "Sunrise". Link to said Lowell Sun article: http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_11136239 Mark Watson From billohno@gmail.com Thu Dec 4 19:27:52 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:27:52 -0500 Subject: Sun Sets On WUML's "Sunrise" In-Reply-To: <007301c95667$60603db0$0402a8c0@Mark> References: <007301c95667$60603db0$0402a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <49387588.2000401@gmail.com> Mark Watson wrote: > WUML's "Sunrise" radio show will air it's final broadcast Friday > morning. The show is being cancelled as part of $4 million in budget > cuts ordered by Chancellor Marty Meehan as a result of state funding > cutbacks. my guess is that the airtime will be given back to > the students, who as many on the list recall were very unhappy when > the time was taken away for "Sunrise". Count me in on that. The whole affair was a classic example of bloated excess in state government. I applaud Marty on a good call. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Thu Dec 4 21:34:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:34:23 -0500 Subject: Scott -- mult-tasker Message-ID: <4938932F.8080604@gmail.com> Reading over Scott's NERW for this week (okay, I was late) he mentions that he is plunking away on the keyboard as he traverses the fruited plain. ".../so here we are pecking away in the passenger seat of the NERW-mobile on the way back from a week on the road in Indiana."/ That's what I call dedication! And most of us post-Thanksgiving were sleeping-off turkey and stuffing. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 5 03:29:36 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:29:36 -0500 Subject: Barry Nolan suing Comcast Message-ID: <20081205082937.02D89CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Former "Evening" host Barry Nolan has filed a Comcast-ic lawsuit, going after the media giant and its CN8 for terminating him after "making a scene" at an awards dinner for Bill O'Reilly, and then for insubordination. Nolan says he has the right to free speech. (But his bosses had ordered him not to go after O'Reilly at the dinner) http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1136936 From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 11:45:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:45:54 -0600 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts Message-ID: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> Nothing has surfaced locally yet but this morning CBS fired one of their highest paid announcers in the country Steve Dahl at WJMK and will revert AM drive back to JACK-FM. At least they let Dahl say goodbye to his listeners. Dahl was one of the first shock jocks and he refused to go national saying he had to be local to work. He is best known for the fiasco at Comiskey Park in 1979 known as Disco Demolition Night where the baseball game was cancelled because the outfield was on fire. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Dec 5 12:46:48 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:46:48 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Message-ID: <20081205174658.80B8C1B40E1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Just heard that Clea Simon will no longer be writing the radio column at the Globe-- in fact, they seem to have cancelled it entirely. >:-o From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Dec 5 10:36:54 2008 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:36:54 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) Message-ID: <49394A96.9040504@friedbagels.com> > Is it still true that VHF will have significantly better coverage > than UHF signals? If so, I don't understand the logic behind these > allocations. > Quite the opposite from what I hear. Especially low-band VHF, like channels 2-6, have terrible coverage with DTV. That's a major reason why there are several proposals to force the 24 Ch.5 & 6 DTV stations to the UHF band and repurpose those frequencies into more FM coverage/cleanup the AM Band. Don't laugh, the guys at BMC have really done their homework and it CAN work, if the politics can be overcome. http://www.radioworld.com/article/65186 I don't know the physics, but anecdotally I've heard the UHF band is generally getting much better DTV coverage...presumably thanks to the higher ERP's...and I would assume something about the nature of frequency propagation at UHF frequencies also makes a difference? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 5 14:01:17 2008 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:01:17 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon In-Reply-To: <20081205174658.80B8C1B40E1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20081205174658.80B8C1B40E1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0812051101t10a32cf4w5e91f7335accfe5@mail.gmail.com> She actually stopped doing it in October and made a post on radio-info.com ("It's been real") saying that the following Radio Tracks column would be her last. It had to do with the redesign of the Globe's arts section. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just heard that Clea Simon will no longer be writing the radio column at the > Globe-- in fact, they seem to have cancelled it entirely. >:-o > From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Dec 5 14:42:23 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:42:23 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This seems to be a trend with them right now--shedding high priced morning talent. CBS/Chicago also got rid of longtime WBBM-FM duo Eddie & Jobo last week. That team had been at the station for over 20 years. In Hartford, it's been rumored that market fixture Gary Craig's contract will not be renewed at WTIC-FM. Many of these talents were making high six figure salaries which can't be sustained in the current economic enviornment. In Steve Dahl's case, his ratings dropped substantially with the PPM versus the diary. It's been said that morning drive is not as important in the PPM world as it was with the diary. As more markets convert to PPM, expect more marginal to underperforming morning shows to bite the dust. Shows that generate a lot of income, such as Matty does on Kiss, should be safe. It will be interesting to see how things shake out in Boston once the PPM is in place. -Dave Tomm On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Nothing has surfaced locally yet but this morning CBS fired one of > their highest paid announcers in the country Steve Dahl at WJMK and > will revert AM drive back to JACK-FM. > > At least they let Dahl say goodbye to his listeners. > > Dahl was one of the first shock jocks and he refused to go national > saying he had to be local to work. > > He is best known for the fiasco at Comiskey Park in 1979 known as > Disco Demolition Night where the baseball game was cancelled because > the outfield was on fire. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Dec 5 16:07:51 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:07:51 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0812051101t10a32cf4w5e91f7335accfe5@mail.gmail.com > References: <20081205174658.80B8C1B40E1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0812051101t10a32cf4w5e91f7335accfe5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081205210803.2B372731562@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:01 PM 12/5/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: >She actually stopped doing it in October and made a post on >radio-info.com ("It's been >real") saying that the following Radio Tracks column would be her >last. It had to do with >the redesign of the Globe's arts section. Or not. They also let go several of their other longterm free--lancers, as a way to save money, I guess. And they decided to phase out the guy who writes their Saturday religion column in the Metro section, among others. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 15:14:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:14:33 -0600 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> Indirectly Dahl's demise can be traced to of all people Howie Carr. CBS and Dahl heavily promoted his nomination to the Radio Hall of Fame and was considered a slam dunk. However Carr pulled off the upset and CBS began to realize Dahl's listeners were not there in the numbers from before. WJMK is really a trainwreck since the flip to JACK 3 1/2 years ago. Unlike NYC they couldn't go back to oldies as WLS-FM took over the format. From irw@well.com Fri Dec 5 17:20:07 2008 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Unlike NYC they couldn't go back to oldies as WLS-FM took over the > format. Why do you think this? - Blaine From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 17:50:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:50:52 -0600 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812051450p7e5b8cd4x2453e14419026480@mail.gmail.com> WLS-FM captured all the former WJMK listeners and hired jocks like Dick Biondi. WCBS-FM could go back to oldies as nobody else in NY flipped to that format. WJMK's morning man Paul Perry came back to Boston. Funny thing is JACK-FM is actually popular in many Chicago bars as background music. That might help them with PPM. On 12/5/08, Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Unlike NYC they couldn't go back to oldies as WLS-FM took over the >> format. > > Why do you think this? > > - Blaine > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Dec 5 19:06:13 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:06:13 -0500 Subject: Ron Jacobs' Tribute To Bill Drake Message-ID: <4939C1F5.1080303@ttlc.net> For adult eyes: http://www.radiodailynews.com/ron-j-billdrake-tribute.htm From attychase@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 21:18:29 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:18:29 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February References: Message-ID: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies such as the one for Milwaukee at http://www.milwaukee-horror-hosts.com/DTV_Transition.html ? How about one for the whole US or at least the various regions? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Dec 5 21:23:05 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:23:05 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? A summary was just posted to *this very mailing-list* a day or so ago. > Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies How about ? -GAWollman From attychase@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 21:24:49 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:24:49 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: <5ABC7481A9CA4D26B10A5E3F50EEA101@HomeOffice> Never mind. See http://www.w9wi.com/dtvch/dtvch.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S Chase To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies such as the one for Milwaukee at http://www.milwaukee-horror-hosts.com/DTV_Transition.html ? How about one for the whole US or at least the various regions? From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 5 21:40:19 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:40:19 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4939E613.5090703@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? > > A summary was just posted to *this very mailing-list* a day or so ago. > >> Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies > > How about > ? And also: http://www.necrat.com/dtv.html s From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 5 22:03:58 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:03:58 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February References: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4939E613.5090703@fybush.com> Message-ID: <33961B947DFB4B059B8C0403934DE08B@SatU205S5044> Last summer when I started amassing info in preparation for the conversion, I remember finding a Web site that provided an incredible amount of info regarding over-the-air digital TV. The objective was to tell you--to the extent possible--which stations you were likely to be able to receive with passive and amplified outdoor antennas and where you would most likely have to point your antenna to receive each station. Information was not explicitly provided about reception using indoor antennas because, it was explained, it was impractical to try to provide that info; too many factors affect signal quality indoors. Nevertheless, the information could be useful if you were planning to try to use an indoor antenna. You had to enter not merely your Zip code but also your street address AND you had to provide information about your house or the building in which your apartment is located (number of stories; type of construction--wood, masonry, etc). With that information, the site displayed a printable map showing the direction to each station's transmitting antenna from your house and a code indicating the probable quality of each signal broken down into five or so levels. I'll be darned if I can find that site now. I tried antennaweb.com and it did not seem to be there, but I did not search the site thoroughly. If someone can supply the URL of this site, I doubt whether anyone will be able to find any better guide to over-the-air DTV reception. IIRC, the site contained information for all areas of the 50 states and maybe for Puerto Rico too. Even though I don't know where to look for this site, I cannot believe that the whole thing is a figment of my imagination! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: ; "Robert S Chase" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> <> said: >> >>> What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? >> >> A summary was just posted to *this very mailing-list* a day or so >> ago. >> >>> Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies >> >> How about >> ? > > And also: > > http://www.necrat.com/dtv.html > > s From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 5 22:09:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:09:33 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <33961B947DFB4B059B8C0403934DE08B@SatU205S5044> References: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4939E613.5090703@fybush.com> <33961B947DFB4B059B8C0403934DE08B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4939ECED.1030807@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'll be darned if I can find that site now. I tried antennaweb.com and > it did not seem to be there, but I did not search the site thoroughly. > If someone can supply the URL of this site, I doubt whether anyone > will be able to find any better guide to over-the-air DTV reception. > IIRC, the site contained information for all areas of the 50 states > and maybe for Puerto Rico too. Even though I don't know where to look > for this site, I cannot believe that the whole thing is a figment of > my imagination! tvfool.com is what you're seeking. They have an fmfool.com, too. s From attychase@comcast.net Fri Dec 5 22:26:11 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> I'm still trying to understand this. From what I see some of the low VHF stations intend to stay on their low channels and some intend to go up to the UHF channel. What is going to happen to the vacated channels. Are they now going to be available to be assigned to other TV stations. For instance, can channel 4 (WBZ) be gotten by new station for DTV operation? If they are going to be assigned to some other service, what will those other services be and how will that affect the tuner/conversion boxes when someone goes over them, i.e., will public safety now be receivable on one's TV for example? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Scott Fybush" ; "Garrett Wollman" > > Cc: ; "Robert S Chase" > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February > > >>>> ? >>> >>> And also: >>> >>> http://www.necrat.com/dtv.html >>> >>> s >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 5 22:36:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:36:05 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > I'm still trying to understand this. From what I see some of the low VHF > stations intend to stay on their low channels and some intend to go up to > the UHF channel. What is going to happen to the vacated channels. Are they > now going to be available to be assigned to other TV stations. For > instance, > can channel 4 (WBZ) be gotten by new station for DTV operation? If they are > going to be assigned to some other service, what will those other services > be and how will that affect the tuner/conversion boxes when someone goes > over them, i.e., will public safety now be receivable on one's TV for > example? Channels 52-69 will be removed from broadcast TV service and have already been reallocated for other uses. Anything using those frequencies will be digital, and will be using modulation and coding incompatible with DTV receivers, so the most you'd see on an analog TV tuned to those channels would be snow, just as you do now when you tune an analog TV to a channel occupied by a DTV signal. The FCC isn't currently taking ANY applications for new TV stations, digital or analog. It's expected to open a window someday - probably no earlier than 2010, if that - for applicants interested in filing for new DTV licenses. Low-band V, however, is a bad place to be for DTV, especially in urban areas. (Stations like WLBZ are taking a stab at keeping low-band V for digital for two reasons - low power levels and therefore low power bills, and the hope, rational or not, that they'll retain good coverage of their very large viewing area by staying on channel 2.) s From mward@iname.com Fri Dec 5 23:06:11 2008 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:06:11 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4939FA33.2010209@iname.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Low-band V, however, is a bad place to be for DTV, especially in urban > areas. (Stations like WLBZ are taking a stab at keeping low-band V for > digital for two reasons - low power levels and therefore low power > bills, and the hope, rational or not, that they'll retain good coverage > of their very large viewing area by staying on channel 2.) Until, of course, someone fires up a noisy electrical item nearby. Signed, Can't Wait Until WKYC-DT Gets The Heck Off Of 2 From blainethompson@gmail.com Fri Dec 5 21:07:54 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:07:54 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812051450p7e5b8cd4x2453e14419026480@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051450p7e5b8cd4x2453e14419026480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0812051807n485150b4y714e767e8857903e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Funny thing is JACK-FM is actually popular in many Chicago bars as > background music. That might help them with PPM. > > If I take Rod Zimmerman's quote in today's Chicago Sun-Times ("We have no plans now to stream WBBM-AM on WJMK, but will continue with the current music format"), then that means that WBBM-A should be appearing on WJMK any day now. But that's just my cynicism showing. - Blaine From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Dec 6 08:28:19 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:28:19 EST Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun night) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/5/2008 10:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "Quite the opposite from what I hear. Especially low-band VHF, like channels 2-6, have terrible coverage with DTV. That's a major reason why there are several proposals to force the 24 Ch.5 & 6 DTV stations to the UHF band and repurpose those frequencies into more FM coverage/cleanup the AM Band. Don't laugh, the guys at BMC have really done their homework and it CAN work, if the politics can be overcome." Actually the reason stations are bailing on the VHF channels (channels 2,3,4,5, and 6 especially) is that these channels suffer from impulse noise year-round and ducting during the summer months. DTV (8-VSB) doesn't do ghosts or any type of interference. This can include planes overhead or in some cases a bird sitting on your outdoor antenna. If you have an indoor antenna any motion in the room can cause tiling and loss of audio. It is either excellent or absent. The antenna has to be getting a nearly pristine signal (very little delay) or you get nothing. This would not have been a problem if the FCC had chosen COFDM, like the rest of the world, instead of the kluged 1949 model we used for analog (8-VSB) but that is an entirely different argument. We have what we have now. When you look at charts that show available channels in your area, unless you are very local to the transmitter, it is understood that this is from a roof top antenna that is up 30 feet. I am not sure how many average TV viewers understand this or will want to jump on-board. We live in a plug-and-play society today. On the upside of DTV, if you can make it work, in the larger markets you will be getting a mini-cable TV line up. Many stations have opted to broadcast a number of STV (standard) TV signals to one HDTV sugnal so you can get up to 4 or 5 STV channels for each standard TV channel. Outside of NYC I can get about 25-30 video and audio sources from the NYC and NJ stations. I am line of sight of the NYC transmitters from Empire and the Conde Nast building and have had pretty good results. It is very important to use the right receive antenna. Even if you are line of sight with a TV transmitter, you will not have much luck with a VHF receive antenna if the station is on a UHF channel. Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 08:37:49 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:37:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> Message-ID: <313607.24579.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Scott wrote: >Low-band V, however, is a bad place to be for DTV, especially in urban areas. >(Stations like WLBZ are taking a stab at keeping low-band V for digital for >two reasons - low power levels and therefore low power bills, and the >hope, rational or not, that they'll retain good coverage of their very large >viewing area by staying on channel 2.) I seem to remember that when a station in Dallas experimented a digital signal on a low V (IIRC channel 4) it interfered with medical equipment at a nearby hospital. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 6 08:06:36 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:06:36 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February References: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4939E613.5090703@fybush.com> <33961B947DFB4B059B8C0403934DE08B@SatU205S5044> <4939ECED.1030807@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6D07CCDB271348D9AC9CD12C66860C4E@SatU205S5044> YESS! That's it! THANKS, Scott! Can't believe that I didn't bookmark it last summer. Maybe I did but I can't remember where to look for the bookmark;<( If I did bookmark it before, I just did it again. Maybe this time the bookmark is in a better place. (Or not.) "Gone to a better place." Isn't that something you say about someone who has recently died? Oh, dear. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Garrett Wollman" ; ; "Robert S Chase" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Re: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> I'll be darned if I can find that site now. I tried antennaweb.com >> and >> it did not seem to be there, but I did not search the site >> thoroughly. >> If someone can supply the URL of this site, I doubt whether anyone >> will be able to find any better guide to over-the-air DTV >> reception. >> IIRC, the site contained information for all areas of the 50 states >> and maybe for Puerto Rico too. Even though I don't know where to >> look >> for this site, I cannot believe that the whole thing is a figment >> of >> my imagination! > > tvfool.com is what you're seeking. They have an fmfool.com, too. > > s From map@mapinternet.com Sat Dec 6 07:43:59 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:43:59 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February References: <18745.57865.476823.935242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4939E613.5090703@fybush.com> Message-ID: TV Query on the FCC website works pretty well. You might get the whole state, but if you want a narrower result, I think you can do a mileage radius search with any given set of coordinates. Most of the listings have the final channel, but the power and facilities are mostly in transition. The only DTV station at full facilities, that I see in the Hartford-Spfld area, is WFSB's permanent DTV on Ch33 with 1,000,000 watts. DTV class power limit is 20% of Analog. Yes, Channel 3 goes to Channel 33, with 2-3's maybe it's twice as good!! As it stands , right now, a good comparison for coverage might be a reciever in Central Mass, Eastern CT or RI comparing analog channels 22, Springfield, and/or 30, Hartford to Digital channel 33 in Hartford. The 3 stations are all at different sites on the west side of the CT river valley, but if you have a good look to the west from Eastern New England, ( and can null out dtv 30 in Boston) give it a try! Mark Casey K1MAP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: ; "Robert S Chase" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> What will the Boston television frequencies be after February? > > A summary was just posted to *this very mailing-list* a day or so ago. > >> Does anybody know a URL that will list the Boston frequencies > > How about > ? And also: http://www.necrat.com/dtv.html s From map@mapinternet.com Sat Dec 6 09:01:54 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:01:54 -0500 Subject: DTV issues References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> Message-ID: <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> Some of the issues with DTV. December 5, 2008. Power--Most DTV stations are not at full power, so a comparison is hard to make. (WFSB in Hartford is at full power, 1,000,000 watts on CH 33.) Some stations are running less than 1%, with many less than 10%. But on the FCC's TV query, you can see where most stations are incrementaly raising power. Right now things are changing every day. It is a very interesting time in TV. Multipath--Will probably greatly improve reception at some locations that had a slightly ghosty analog signal. However, some locations that had strong, but unwatchable, or nearly unwatchable analog signal may dissapear completely with DTV. VHF high band (7-13) vs. UHF--Lower frequency signals still go over the horizon and over hills better than high frequency ones. This does not change for DTV. So, if the reciever is far from the TX site, and not on a hilltop, VHF might be the best. But, UHF channels get to operate at far higher power, so even with their lessened porpagation abilities, a channel 14 or 20 might be a good choice for a station owner to request. Overall, given the propagation and power factors, I'd say the best channels would be any of the VHF low band channels (7-13) or the bottom of the UHF band (14-30). From my experience, after you get above around Channel 30, the ability of any signal top get over a hill is degraded that it really affects home reception severely. If you are line of sight--fine for higher channels, but with a hill or large building in the way ther are problems. Thes are not major problems in flat areas of the country, but are problems even with the smaller hills in the Boston area. I'm 12 miles from Ch 40 & 57 with a small hill in the way and, no matter how good of an antenna, (couldn't) watch either of then but channel 59 in New Haven, at 50 miles, is clear with no nearby hills in that direction. Antenna size--Each element on VHF channel 7 is around 18" , for a total of 36" for 2, at VHF channel 13 its' about 15" , for a total of around 30", at UHF channel 14, it's about 6" for a total of 12" , while at UHF channel 50 is goes down to around 3 or 4" for maybe 8" across the 2 antenna element about. So it really depends on what type of antenna you have as to what's going to be recieved. There was some talk that one of the major antenna companies would be making a updated antenna sized for channel 7 to 50. Maybe they have already. That would make sense. Or, in order to cut down on space needed, maybe you can take the long low band channel 2-6 elements and cut them down to 18" or so. But, if space is not a consideration and you have an existing TV antenna that gives good performance on both VHF and UHF there is no real reason to change. Class Power Limits--DTV power limits are 20% of Analog. But there is supposed to be an improvement factor in digital over analog that might make up for the lower power. Channel 7-13 DTV class limit is 63,200 watts. Channel 14-50 class limit is 1,000,000 watts. Decoding--Reciever decoding quality varies greatly with these first and second generation dtv recievers and converters. Some will not decode a good signal, some sound but no audio. As the reciever chipsets get better, most of these problems should g away. DTV Recievers--Are pretty good. I bought one flashdrive size unit for a laptop last year. On my friends' kitchen table in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida with a 14" portable antenna we got over 16 digital channels including 5 or 6 out of market signals. For the limited set up we had and the DTV stations running mostly low power, it was pretty impressive reception. At my location , so far, every channel that had or has a decently watchable analog signal and has an operating digital station is recieved fine in digital. However, two of the snowy analog channels that have DTV channels are not always received on the digital side. But those DTV's are not at full power yet, so the jury is till out on those. Who knows, maybe Ch 7-13 will do for digital what Ch 2-6 did for analog years ago, maybe not, or maybe it will be Ch 14-20 that will be the best. Or, probably, with cable and satellite in place, off air reception won't be a very big factor at all . We should see how it works out by next spring. Mark Casey K1MAP near Springfield, Mass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: RE: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Jim Hall > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:33 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: RE: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite > > One of the problems I have encountered in helping people is > that they don't > understand that most of the stations are moving to the UHF > band, even if > their virtual channel number remains the same. So the old > long pole rabbit > ears won't work and you need an antenna with a good UHF element. I am > wondering how my reception of WHDH-TV will be once they move > from UHF back > to VHF. I imagine I will have to extend the VHF poles on the > antenna (which > at the moment I have reduced to minimum). > Except that a lot of the stations will go back to VHF in February. So you really can't check things out until after the switchover to see what channels are coming in, and to make appropriate adjustments. For instance, WHDH-DT is currently on Channel 42, but will return to actual channel 7 when 7 analog goes off the air. But WLVI-DT will remain on actual channel 41. but will be mapped to virtual channel 56. Confusing? Even those of us who work with this stuff every day are having fun keeping it all straight. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Dec 6 09:55:41 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:55:41 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Mark Casey wrote: > probably, with cable and satellite in place, off air reception > won't be > a very big factor at all . We should see how it works out by next > spring As of September, according to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, 26 million converter coupons have been requested and 10 million have been redeemed. There are about 100 million households in the U.S. I know there are a lot of variables: how many people just want something for nothing, how many people ignore reality until it smacks them in the face. But any way you look at it, this is a significant number. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 10:52:53 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:52:53 -0600 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812060752m1ffe624t2ff8d17bfb0d3b93@mail.gmail.com> It just occurred to me that there may be a lot of confusion after the switch with viewers that have already programmed their tuners. My set like many has an auto program function to find both analog and digital signals. I have to assume I will have to do that again after the switch to remap the tuner. Average person with a TV will not know this. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Dec 6 11:06:57 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:06:57 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> Message-ID: <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> The problem is that the coupons are for $40 and the tuners are $60 at most stores. I think that there's a perception to wait until they go on sale. I also wonder what percentage of folks ordered the coupons "just in case" but have cable hookups. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Laurence > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:56 AM > To: Mark Casey; Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: DTV issues > > On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Mark Casey wrote: > > > probably, with cable and satellite in place, off air reception > > won't be > > a very big factor at all . We should see how it works out by next > > spring > > As of September, according to the National Telecommunications and > Information Administration, 26 million converter coupons have been > requested and 10 million have been redeemed. There are about 100 > million households in the U.S. I know there are a lot of variables: > how many people just want something for nothing, how many people > ignore reality until it smacks them in the face. But any way you > look at it, this is a significant number. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 11:39:05 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:39:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> Message-ID: <814250.14155.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Mark Laurence wrote: > As of September, according to the National > Telecommunications and Information Administration, 26 > million converter coupons have been requested and 10 million > have been redeemed. There are about 100 million households > in the U.S. . . . But any way you look at it, this is a significant number. I googled around about a month ago and found various estimates of how many don't have cable or satellite, and it looked like 10 to 15 percent. And -- this was news to me -- satellite penetration seems to be up to around 20 to 25 percent, with the rest on cable. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Dec 6 12:05:24 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:05:24 -0500 Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun night) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493AB0D4.5030003@gabrielmass.com> > Actually the reason stations are bailing on the VHF channels (channels > 2,3,4,5, and 6 especially) is that these channels suffer from impulse noise > year-round and ducting during the summer months. Summertime ducting? That's not a bug, that's a feature! :-) --RC, still remembering how he once picked up KYW-3 Philly in Rye, NH. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 12:34:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:34:47 -0600 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0812051807n485150b4y714e767e8857903e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051450p7e5b8cd4x2453e14419026480@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0812051807n485150b4y714e767e8857903e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812060934g18bc2aa2sf298c6d6c3fdf317@mail.gmail.com> Dahl will continue to collect his one million dollars a year contract that expires June 30, 2011. Why CBS put him on mornings to begin with is a mystery as he always did afternoon drive. On 12/5/08, Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Funny thing is JACK-FM is actually popular in many Chicago bars as >> background music. That might help them with PPM. >> >> > > If I take Rod Zimmerman's quote in today's Chicago Sun-Times ("We have no > plans now to stream WBBM-AM on WJMK, but will continue with the current > music format"), then that means that WBBM-A should be appearing on WJMK any > day now. > > But that's just my cynicism showing. > > - Blaine > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 6 12:47:26 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:47:26 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <313607.24579.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> <313607.24579.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 5:37 AM -0800 12/6/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > >I seem to remember that when a station in Dallas experimented a >digital signal on a low V (IIRC channel 4) it interfered with >medical equipment at a nearby hospital. Why would a digital signal cause interference if an analog signal on the same frequency wont? Or was that not considered in this particular test? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From map@mapinternet.com Sat Dec 6 12:48:56 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:48:56 -0500 Subject: DTV issues References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com><51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> Message-ID: Most households have 1, 2 or 3 sets hooked to the cable or satellite and an equal number of sets that aren't hooked up. I'll bet most of those converters will go on to old sets located in places around the house that aren't connected to cable or satellite. But the point is well taken that a significant number of households, maybe 10% or more will not ever hook to cable or satellite and will use the off-air signals. Mark Casey K1MAP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Mark Casey" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: DTV issues On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Mark Casey wrote: > probably, with cable and satellite in place, off air reception > won't be > a very big factor at all . We should see how it works out by next > spring As of September, according to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, 26 million converter coupons have been requested and 10 million have been redeemed. There are about 100 million households in the U.S. I know there are a lot of variables: how many people just want something for nothing, how many people ignore reality until it smacks them in the face. But any way you look at it, this is a significant number. From scott@fybush.com Sat Dec 6 13:10:36 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:10:36 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812060752m1ffe624t2ff8d17bfb0d3b93@mail.gmail.com> References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> <4fc429770812060752m1ffe624t2ff8d17bfb0d3b93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493AC01C.20509@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > It just occurred to me that there may be a lot of confusion after the > switch with viewers that have already programmed their tuners. > > My set like many has an auto program function to find both analog and > digital signals. I have to assume I will have to do that again after > the switch to remap the tuner. > > Average person with a TV will not know this. > At least in my market (where two of five stations will be changing channels on transition day), there will be a massive media blitz reminding people to rescan when they wake up on 2/18/09. We've mentioned this in our WXXI DTV shows, but it would be pointless to try to hammer people with it now...we'll remind them again when it gets closer. (And we're not even changing channels!) s From scott@fybush.com Sat Dec 6 13:18:07 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:18:07 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: References: <75CE0752EF2D434B98D041986275C2A1@HomeOffice> <4939F325.2080101@fybush.com> <313607.24579.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493AC1DF.6030808@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 5:37 AM -0800 12/6/08, Maureen Carney wrote: >> >> I seem to remember that when a station in Dallas experimented a >> digital signal on a low V (IIRC channel 4) it interfered with medical >> equipment at a nearby hospital. > > Why would a digital signal cause interference if an analog signal on the > same frequency wont? Or was that not considered in this particular test? > The case that Maureen refers to actually had nothing to do with low-band V. It was one of the very first DTV signals on the air, WFAA-DT in Dallas, circa 1998. WFAA's analog is on channel 8. A hospital in Dallas was using channel 9, then vacant in the Dallas area, for low-powered medical telemetry (heart-rate monitors and such) - and when WFAA-DT fired up for the first time on channel 9, its signal blew the telemetry signals out of the water. Chalk it up to "learning experience" - the hospital equipment was licensed, as I recall, as a secondary user on channel 9 (that being one of the few secondary uses that can be licensed on vacant TV channels), and somehow nobody realized that the hospital should probably have been warned in advance that it would need to change frequencies on its equipment. My recollection is that WFAA-DT shut down for a bit so the hospital could get things moved (it's not like anyone had receivers at that point, anyway), and I guess there must be a better notification scheme in place now, because I haven't heard of any problems like this in the decade since WFAA had its issues. s From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 6 13:41:31 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:41:31 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:48 PM -0500 12/6/08, Mark Casey wrote: >Most households have 1, 2 or 3 sets hooked to the cable or satellite and an >equal number of sets that aren't hooked up. I'll bet most of those >converters will go on to old sets located in places around the house that >aren't connected to cable or satellite. > >But the point is well taken that a significant number of households, maybe >10% or more will not ever hook to cable or satellite and will use the >off-air signals. Then there are people like my father who has Dish Network, but without the local stations. He still gets good reception on his locals via an outside antenna. That's on the main TV. On the second TV, in the basement, he only has rabbit ears, and gets rather lousy reception. I know he should just get an amplified splitter on the outside antenna and run a line for the second TV, but he won't, he's just too stubborn. Note that he lives in Ballwin, MO, about 20 miles west of St. Louis. He also won't get locals on the Dish and a second receiver either, which would make perfect sense, but he won't spend the money. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Cdsull502@aol.com Sat Dec 6 14:17:23 2008 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:17:23 EST Subject: What Am I Missing? Message-ID: RE: From CBS Chicago -- the article says that " (mailto:2@aol.comDahl) Dahl will continue to collect his one million dollars a year contract that expires June 30, 2011." How does CBS save money by having this guy sit at full pay for two and a half years? Don't they have to pay for someone to take his place? Chris Sullivan _CdSull502@aol.com_ (mailto:CdSull502@aol.com) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Dec 6 14:24:03 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:24:03 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <18746.53587.115110.474236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Class Power Limits--DTV power limits are 20% of Analog. No. DTV power and analog power are two completely different beasts. DTV power is average power (I think RMS but I'm not sure). Analog power is peak power. The peak-to-average ratio of analog TV is significant (I believe it's about 5:1). The DTV power limits are as follows: channels zones ERP HAAT digital:analog ratio 2-6 I 10 kW 305 m 1:10 2-6 II & III 45 kW 305 m 9:20 7-13 I 30 kW 305 m 1:10 7-13 II & III 160 kW 305 m 1:2 14-52 all 1000 kW 365 m 1:5 The analog limits are: channels zones ERPmax HAAT 2-6 I 100 kW 305 m 100 W 2435 m 2-6 II & III 100 kW 610 m 10 kW 2348 m 7-13 I 316 kW 305 m 396 W 2272 m 7-13 II & III 316 kW 610 m 31.6 kW 2348 m 14-69 all 5012 kW 610 m 501 kW 2348 m Most of New England is in zone I. In the past month, the FCC has approved two allocations changes in the northern Rockies: *6 in Casper, Wyo., moved to *8, and 10 in Glendive, Mont., moved to 5. -GAWollman From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Dec 6 14:41:24 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:41:24 -0500 Subject: What Am I Missing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bded94e0812061141x73621e84j87ac4cb3820276c6@mail.gmail.com> Not necessarily. They could either: A. Go jockless. B. Find someone who might result in better ratings. Both (A) and (B) are hypothetical. I have learned that second guessing radio programmers is a painful experience. - Blaine From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 14:43:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:43:06 -0500 Subject: What Am I Missing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770812061143s2bf3e966n4ac233e198fa58a0@mail.gmail.com> I guess the accountants figure the station will bill more with him not on the air. Nobody replaces Dahl as they simply revert to JACK in the AM. On 12/6/08, Cdsull502@aol.com wrote: > RE: From CBS Chicago -- the article says that " (mailto:2@aol.comDahl) Dahl > will continue to collect his one million dollars a year contract that > expires June 30, 2011." > > How does CBS save money by having this guy sit at full pay for two and a > half years? Don't they have to pay for someone to take his place? > > > Chris Sullivan > _CdSull502@aol.com_ (mailto:CdSull502@aol.com) > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Dec 6 14:55:53 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:55:53 -0500 Subject: What Am I Missing? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812061143s2bf3e966n4ac233e198fa58a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812061143s2bf3e966n4ac233e198fa58a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18746.55497.936264.635637@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I guess the accountants figure the station will bill more with him not > on the air. Nobody replaces Dahl as they simply revert to JACK in the > AM. He probably had producers and other ancillary people without cushy contracts who can now be laid off or given other assignments. -GAWollman From map@mapinternet.com Sat Dec 6 16:25:00 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:25:00 -0500 Subject: DTV issues References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com><51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af> <18746.53587.115110.474236@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: That makes sense. Every station engineer that I've talked to has said that the digital has a factor to makeup for the lower number. Peak vs. average power ratings are a big difference no matter which way it is figured. With that method, then the electric bill for stations running full power in digital might not be much less than analog. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Mark Casey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: DTV issues DTV power is average power (I think RMS but I'm not sure). Analog power is peak power. The peak-to-average ratio of analog TV is significant (I believe it's about 5:1). From sid@wrko.com Sat Dec 6 19:43:11 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:43:11 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio making more cuts In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0812051807n485150b4y714e767e8857903e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812050845t77e85bc0rbdbdb9280e4a1eea@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051214qaeb932cs50218995013bddaf@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812051450p7e5b8cd4x2453e14419026480@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0812051807n485150b4y714e767e8857903e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE03@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>If I take Rod Zimmerman's quote in today's Chicago Sun-Times ("We have no plans now to stream WBBM-AM on WJMK, but will continue with the current music format"), then that means that WBBM-A should be appearing on WJMK any day now.<< I'd have to guess this is a reference to possibly putting WBBM on WJMK-HD2, as has already been done in NYC with WINS being transmitted on the HD2 on 102.7 (whatever call sign they're using this week). From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 6 22:28:21 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:28:21 -0500 Subject: DTV issues References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <51F5B4BF92274A408C4704C177B24EE7@yourm3vezyx8af><9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com> <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> Message-ID: <003c01c9581b$db6ec200$ff814c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vita > The problem is that the coupons are for $40 and the tuners are $60 at most > stores. I think that there's a perception to wait until they go on sale. > > I also wonder what percentage of folks ordered the coupons "just in case" > but have cable hookups. > I had an old analog set (1983 vintage) that I was using hooked up to an analog cable box. Back in October, Cox decided to kill off all the old analog boxes without warning -- I was watching a baseball playoff game on Fox when the screen suddenly switched to the program guide and the box display read "E4." I went to the Cox office the next morning to find a line of people already there with their dead boxes. The Cox rep told me they were just as surprised as we were; regional management in Rhode Island had made the decision and had not told the people lower down in the food chain until after the fact. Anyway, I was told there were going to be no replacement analog boxes and that I had two choices if I wanted to continue with analog service: order a $40 coupon and buy a tuner or buy a digital-compatible TV and plug the cable into that. I ordered the coupon, but found out at the end of the (completely automated) call that it wouldn't arrive for at least three weeks, so I bought a new TV instead. The coupon arrived in early November; I still have it and it won't be used. The digital channels I get with the expanded analog service are an interesting lot, including TBS, Universal Sports (all Olympic-type sports, apparently carried on a WVIT subchannel), one NBA League Pass channel that's apparently been left in the clear (Game 10, Utah-Phoenix is on right now), and anywhere from one to six channels that carry on-demand programming at random times. These programs -- usually movies, but I did catch a wrestling event once -- sometimes skip among channels every few minutes, but I'm usually able to watch a movie pretty much straight through. Is this the norm for just hooking a cable up to a digital TV set? Howard From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Dec 6 23:00:22 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:00:22 EST Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "WFAA's analog is on channel 8. A hospital in Dallas was using channel 9, then vacant in the Dallas area, for low-powered medical telemetry (heart-rate monitors and such) - and when WFAA-DT fired up for the first time on channel 9, its signal blew the telemetry signals out of the water" I remember this incident well. I assisted my wife with an article on this and the preventative measures a hospital could take to prevent this from happening again. The article was entitled; "Warning: HDTV and telemetry on a collision course" in Nursing Management in 1998. It blew Baylor University Medical Center out of the water and cost them $200,000 to fix the problem. The hospital and WFAA was fortunate that no one was injured during the outage. Made a whopping 75 bucks! Mike Hemeon **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Dec 6 23:06:33 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:06:33 EST Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun ni Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "Summertime ducting? That's not a bug, that's a feature! :-) --RC, still remembering how he once picked up KYW-3 Philly in Rye, NH" WSAV-TV Channel 3 from Savannah, GA from Northern NJ. Wish I still had my 6 meter equipment that day. Mike Hemeon **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 6 23:12:11 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:12:11 -0500 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:00 PM -0500 12/6/08, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, >boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > >"WFAA's analog is on channel 8. A hospital in Dallas was using channel 9, >then vacant in the Dallas area, for low-powered medical telemetry >(heart-rate monitors and such) - and when WFAA-DT fired up for the first >time on channel 9, its signal blew the telemetry signals out of the water" > >I remember this incident well. I assisted my wife with an article on this >and the preventative measures a hospital could take to prevent this from >happening again. The article was entitled; "Warning: HDTV and telemetry on a >collision course" in Nursing Management in 1998. It blew Baylor >University Medical >Center out of the water and cost them $200,000 to fix the problem. The >hospital and WFAA was fortunate that no one was injured during the >outage. Made a >whopping 75 bucks! > OK, so the real issue is the sudden use of a previously unused channel (i.e. white space), not the fact that the signal was digital. But this means there could be new problems on Feb 17 when numerous stations suddenly fire up on new channels. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Dec 7 09:09:46 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:09:46 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today Message-ID: <493BD92A.9010402@ttlc.net> There's an interesting article in today's NYTimes Online. It discusses the downturn in listenership to college radio, even among the student population, and the music industry's decision to rely less on college radio as a ground-breaking, trendsetter amongst youth. RPI is featured in the article. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/arts/television/07sisa.html?th&emc=th You have to register and allow a benign cookie, but it may be worth the read. For those who wish to read without registering, I could e-mail you the article. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Dec 7 12:43:50 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:43:50 EST Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2008 12:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "OK, so the real issue is the sudden use of a previously unused channel (i.e. white space), not the fact that the signal was digital. But this means there could be new problems on Feb 17 when numerous stations suddenly fire up on new channels." YOU ARE CORRECT SIR! Hospital telemetry units are now more frequency agile than they used to be but who really knows if the people that are responsible for these units even have a clue that they be blown out of the water on Feb 17th. It wouldn't be the TV stations responsbility; but how would you like to be the TV station that accidently killed Grandma by jamming her heart monitor? Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Dec 7 12:58:52 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:58:52 EST Subject: College Radio Today Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2008 12:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: _http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/arts/television/07sisa.html?th&emc=th_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/arts/television/07sisa.html?th&emc=th) Radio was our generation's Internet and Ipod. Times have changed and unfortunately younger people today have become less social. Texting is not the same as personal interaction. I find Lysi Diamond's take on radio interesting I never looked at it this way before. ?At the end of the day your friends might not be there, your job might not be there,? Ms. Diamond said, ?but radio will always be there. And it?s really cool to have something you can depend on.? Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 7 13:58:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:58:21 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today References: Message-ID: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> And this 19-year-old's opinion matters because the Times quoted her? I have to admit that it was a good snappy (even memorable) quote to end the story with, but that her opinion would be worth even the cost of the paper on which the times printed it is debateable. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: College Radio Today I find Lysi Diamond's take on radio interesting I never looked at it this way before. ?At the end of the day your friends might not be there, your job might not be there,? Ms. Diamond said, ?but radio will always be there. And it?s really cool to have something you can depend on.? Mike From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Dec 7 14:39:34 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:39:34 EST Subject: College Radio Today Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2008 1:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: "And this 19-year-old's opinion matters because the Times quoted her? I have to admit that it was a good snappy (even memorable) quote to end the story with, but that her opinion would be worth even the cost of the paper on which the times printed it is debateable." Dan you are over-thinking this comment. Although,it is a pity for the radio industry that more 19 year olds don't view radio this way. If they did, radio wouldn't be considered the dieing industry it is today. Who bought the paper? I read it for free online. Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 13:45:10 2008 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:45:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: The VHF's Return after UHF (was Re: CH 40 Analog was shut down Sun nite) In-Reply-To: <273B3952-CABB-4990-8647-6ABC6538DE7F@mac.com> Message-ID: <982035.32817.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Thu, 4 Dec 2008At 01:18 AM Mark Laurence wrote: > >> I hope you're right. I'm thinking "disastrous" > for people who don't > >> live within 20 miles of a transmitter. I've > spent some time plugging > >> addresses into antennaweb for places I've lived > in Central Mass. and > >> Maine, places that had decent reception from all > major networks. > >> Once you throw the "digital" switch the channel > choices drop to a > >> small handful. In many towns around Worcester, > you'd better learn > >> Spanish because channel 27 will be your only > friend. On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:58:16 Mark Laurence then replied: > > In some Worcester locations Providence works, but > not all of them. > Antennaweb is including the planned changes in > February with the VHF > moves. But the new stations are not indicated in > most of the > locations I tried. I know I am coming to this discussion a little late, but in these locations you specify where reception is bad to non-existent, how is the analog reception on channels 25, 38, and 56? If its not good, that would be your problem. Right now, if I am not mistaken, all of Boston's DTV stations are broadcasting on UHF. And I also seem to recall the area around Worcester is very hilly (UHF + hilly terrain = bad combination for signal reception). After Feb 2009, I would expect that WHDH's reception would improve in these areas because they are switching back to air channel 7, which handles hilly terrain much better than UHF. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Dec 7 14:46:12 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:46:12 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493C2804.90209@ttlc.net> TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > Times have changed and unfortunately younger people today have become less social. Texting is not the same as personal interaction. > So, to compensate, we have FaceBook & Twitter? Why the alienation? Even niche formats fragment our interaction. Bruce Springsteen wote/sang "57 Channels & Nothing On" I long for the days of Top 40. From kenwvt@gmail.com Sat Dec 6 04:24:34 2008 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:24:34 +0000 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: <0015174c3d629d6f97045d5d5c31@google.com> This site is very good, check it out: http://www.rabbitears.info/ss/ -Ken On Dec 5, 2008 10:09pm, Scott Fybush wrote: > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll be darned if I can find that site now. I tried antennaweb.com and > > > it did not seem to be there, but I did not search the site thoroughly. > > > If someone can supply the URL of this site, I doubt whether anyone > > > will be able to find any better guide to over-the-air DTV reception. > > > IIRC, the site contained information for all areas of the 50 states > > > and maybe for Puerto Rico too. Even though I don't know where to look > > > for this site, I cannot believe that the whole thing is a figment of > > > my imagination! > > > > > > > > tvfool.com is what you're seeking. They have an fmfool.com, too. > > > > > > s > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 15:34:40 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:34:40 -0600 Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770812071234j75bef828sa0dac3c22f28dd8c@mail.gmail.com> If I was the CE of a station I would contact every hospital in the area just to double check. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 15:47:48 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:47:48 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> Message-ID: <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Dec 2008 at 11:06, Brian Vita wrote: > The problem is that the coupons are for $40 and the tuners are $60 at > most stores. I think that there's a perception to wait until they go > on sale. > > I also wonder what percentage of folks ordered the coupons "just in > case" but have cable hookups. I'm planning to get at least one, despite having cable, so that I can least sometimes watch one show and tape another. Or maybe even tape two shows at once if the off-air reception is good enough. Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV set. Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 7 15:59:45 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:59:45 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <"9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-9415 80979B43"@mac.com> <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0KBI0025CYBYDD00@asmtp014.mac.com> At 03:47 PM 12/7/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV set. >Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV? Yes, at least for the sets you can buy today. As for if that ability will be phased out in future sets, who knows? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sid@wrko.com Sun Dec 7 17:14:16 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:14:16 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV set. Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV?<< Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and so far I haven't seen any that have it. The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 7 17:48:12 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:48:12 -0500 Subject: DTV issues References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com><493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: So would the way to record DTV signals be to buy a DVD recorder/player without a tuner and connect a DTV-to-NTSC converter box to it? Clearly, this would lead to lower-than-DTV-quality recordings, but if you really wanted to view something that was broadcast at the same time as you were watching something else, the approach would seem to be better than nothing. Also, if your were using over-the-air signals, would you have to have TWO antennas? Seems like it. BTW, the answer to these questions is of more than academic interest to me. I have a DTV receiver in the room where I watch most of the TV that I watch and a converter box for my old analog TV in the kitchen. I still have a VCR (it's in the room with the DTV) but I have not attempted to connect it, much less use it, since I bought the converter and the new TV. I would like to have the VCR capabilities if I could have them without jumping through too many hoops. I imagine that having the VCR capabilities would involve buying a DVD recorder/player, but maybe they would involve use of the VCR instead. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: RE: DTV issues >>Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV set. Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV?<< Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and so far I haven't seen any that have it. The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Dec 7 17:51:42 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:51:42 +0000 Subject: DTV issues Message-ID: <281294117-1228690294-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1699274634-@bxe336.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Some of the sets I've seen also have a video out of some sort. ------Original Message------ From: Sid Schweiger Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org To: boston Radio Group Subject: RE: DTV issues Sent: Dec 7, 2008 5:14 PM >>Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV set. Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV?<< Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and so far I haven't seen any that have it. The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (800)231-8849 - (978)538-7575 - Fax (978)538-7550 From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Dec 7 18:01:56 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:56 EST Subject: What will the Boston television frequencies be after February Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2008 3:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, kvahey@comcast.net writes: "If I was the CE of a station I would contact every hospital in the area just to double check" I would too if I were changing frequency on the 17th but I don't think that it is even on the CE's radar. Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 7 18:05:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:05:05 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <281294117-1228690294-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1699274634-@bxe336.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <281294117-1228690294-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1699274634-@bxe336.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <493C56A1.7030708@fybush.com> Brian Vita wrote: > Some of the sets I've seen also have a video out of some sort. > ------Original Message------ From: Sid Schweiger Sender: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org To: boston > Radio Group Subject: RE: DTV issues Sent: Dec 7, 2008 5:14 PM > >>> Here's a question. Someday I may want to get a new digital TV >>> set. > Will my analog VCR and DVD player play through a digital TV?<< > > Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR > are being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead > tech by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, > and so far I haven't seen any that have it. This was true a year ago; less so, now. Ironically, it's easier to find tuner-equipped DVD recorders and DVD/VCR combos at the low-end places (especially Wal-Mart/Sam's Club) than at higher-end places like Best Buy or Circuit City. Most of the ones I've seen with ATSC tuners have been Magnavox brand, actually made under license by Funai. I have two "Magnavox" DVD recorders with ATSC tuners that have been traveling with me for the last year or so; they work pretty well and are lighter than the VCRs I was hauling around before that. s From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 7 18:19:45 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:19:45 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <"9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-9415 80979B43"@mac.com> <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> <"493BF024.25962.8BA31 2"@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <0KBJ00M524T5OD20@asmtp012.mac.com> At 05:48 PM 12/7/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >So would the way to record DTV signals be to buy a DVD recorder/player >without a tuner and connect a DTV-to-NTSC converter box to it? >Clearly, this would lead to lower-than-DTV-quality recordings, but if >you really wanted to view something that was broadcast at the same >time as you were watching something else, the approach would seem to >be better than nothing. Also, if your were using over-the-air signals, >would you have to have TWO antennas? Seems like it. The only way you could be able to record in true hi-def is to get a Blu-Ray recoreder (approx $400), or a hi-def Tivo. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Dec 7 18:49:49 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:49:49 EST Subject: College Radio Today Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:46:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rogerkirk@ttlc.net writes: "So, to compensate, we have FaceBook & Twitter? Why the alienation? Even niche formats fragment our interaction. Bruce Springsteen wote/sang "57 Channels & Nothing On" I long for the days of Top 40." Facebook and Twitter? These are both just sophisticated forms of texting. You post your your life story on a billboard and people look at and if they like what they see. If they do they are your friend. Then you look at theirs and see if you like what they have written about themselves you are their friends. Then you have to guess whether or not you are talking to the person in the profile or some 90 year old guy. Deep and meaningful personal relationships today. I live next to Asbury Park and I am not allowed to say anything bad about Bruce Springstein or they will knock me off down here. Today he sings about the lack of social interaction and socail disconnect in Radio Nowhere. "This is radio nowhere. Is there anybody alive out there? I was sitting around a dirt dial Just another lost number in a file. Been in some kinda dark cove. Just searching for a world with some soul." Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 7 18:50:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:50:05 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today In-Reply-To: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> References: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <493C612D.6010904@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And this 19-year-old's opinion matters because the Times quoted her? I > have to admit that it was a good snappy (even memorable) quote to end > the story with, but that her opinion would be worth even the cost of the > paper on which the times printed it is debateable. I'm confused here. If the article is about college radio, and by extension the attitude college students have toward radio in general, wouldn't the opinion of a 19-year-old be relevant almost by definition? s From gallen2@nescaum.org Sun Dec 7 20:35:49 2008 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:35:49 -0500 Subject: DTV issues Message-ID: On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:19:45 -0500, Larry W. wrote: >The only way you could be able to record in true hi-def is to get a >Blu-Ray recoreder (approx $400), or a hi-def Tivo. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH There is another way that cost me $20 on black Friday at Circuit City: a USB ATSC tuner. Of course you end up recording on the computer, not a DVD... But you can record in HiDef or something close to it [I'm not sure yet what formats the Happuge WinTV software can do]. George From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Dec 7 20:48:28 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:48:28 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <493C7CEC.7070606@ttlc.net> On 6 Dec 2008 at 11:06, Brian Vita wrote: >> The problem is that the coupons are for $40 and the tuners are $60 at >> most stores. I think that there's a perception to wait until they go >> on sale. >> The Magnavox Tuner is $44 at Sam's Club. Can't speak to the quality. Based on prior experience, I believe that the Magnavox name is being licensed and the equipment is being designed/manufactured by whomever du jour. From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 7 20:55:30 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:55:30 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493C7CEC.7070606@ttlc.net> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> <493C7CEC.7070606@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <493C7E92.3010209@fybush.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > On 6 Dec 2008 at 11:06, Brian Vita wrote: >>> The problem is that the coupons are for $40 and the tuners are $60 at >>> most stores. I think that there's a perception to wait until they go >>> on sale. >>> > The Magnavox Tuner is $44 at Sam's Club. Can't speak to the quality. > Based on prior experience, I believe that the Magnavox name is being > licensed > and the equipment is being designed/manufactured by whomever du jour. > Funai, most likely. If the tuner chip is the same one that's in the "Magnavox" DVD recorders I bought a year or so ago, it's decent - maybe not quite in the same league as the Zenith/Insignia that I've been recommending to anyone who asks, but not significantly worse. s From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 21:06:22 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:06:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Channel 50DT (35RF) Derry NH Update Message-ID: <26163.17233.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friday night I noticed that channel 50 DT WZMY "almost" came in on my DTV converter. Without any tweaking, I got a signal of 23 out of 100. The best previous signal with considerable tweaking was about 10, and rare. I thought it might be conditions, but my DTV reception on other channels was about the same. I talked with one of my acquaintance at church this morning and he was pleased to say that he just started receving channel 50DT on his rabbit ears in downtown Derry. Not a perfect signal, some pixelation, but at least a watchable signal. So I'm speculating the WZMY has been doing some transmitter/site work. I'm thinking that if I take a little time away from the ham radio and do some TV antenna tweaking, I'll having a fighting chance now to get channel 50 in it's city of licnese! John B Derry NH From neggytive@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 09:15:15 2008 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Howie Carrs dad died in October Message-ID: <659014.71034.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know Bob Nelson posted it over on another board that I am banned from, so I'll post the link to the obit here for him and the rest of you to see. http://www.legacy.com/News-Record/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=118605036 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Dec 7 21:16:04 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:16:04 -0500 Subject: Howie Carrs dad died in October Message-ID: <20081208021605.0328483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> I was just looking over Howie's entry in Wikipedia and it mentioned the passing there. Was thinking of posting to this list too. >>I'll post the link to the obit here for him and the rest of you to see. http://www.legacy.com/News-Record/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=118605036 From john@minutemancomm.com Sun Dec 7 21:23:13 2008 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:23:13 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually though they have been out for over 2 years in Japan Blu-Ray recorders have not made it to the US. Supposedly some will make it next year starting at 800. There is a Panasonic unit overseas that has a 1TB drive but it is guessed that it would go for over 2000.00 here. There are copyright issues here as well as the players are selling very poorly at 300.00 http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/15/panasonic-bringing-blu-ray-recorder-to- us-in-2009/ http://www.electronichouse.com/article/panasonic_blu_ray_recorders_shipping_ next_month/C157 Any TV with or DTV receiver has composite video in's and outs that will still mate with any old style VCR's and DVD recorders and players to record lo-def. Note that the set top receiver/converters we are all talking about are also only DTV not HDTV. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of George Allen Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:36 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: DTV issues On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:19:45 -0500, Larry W. wrote: >The only way you could be able to record in true hi-def is to get a >Blu-Ray recoreder (approx $400), or a hi-def Tivo. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH There is another way that cost me $20 on black Friday at Circuit City: a USB ATSC tuner. Of course you end up recording on the computer, not a DVD... But you can record in HiDef or something close to it [I'm not sure yet what formats the Happuge WinTV software can do]. George From sid@wrko.com Sun Dec 7 21:40:55 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:40:55 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <9F12064C-8173-4746-8421-941580979B43@mac.com>, <001801c957bc$aa620af0$ff2620d0$@com><493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE8C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Clearly, this would lead to lower-than-DTV-quality recordings, but if you really wanted to view something that was broadcast at the same time as you were watching something else, the approach would seem to be better than nothing.<< There is another alternative (swallowing hard): The cable companies are now offering a two-tuner DVR (watch with one, record with the other). I'm guessing that involves a monthly rental charge. Or, if you have the time and money, build a PC that can do that. ATSC tuner cards are readily available. >>Also, if you were using over-the-air signals, would you have to have TWO antennas? Seems like it.<< One with a splitter or amplifier ought to do the trick. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 21:45:48 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:45:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Channel 50DT (35RF) Derry NH Update In-Reply-To: <26163.17233.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8963.23514.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Channel 35 DT signal will NEVER equal that of the Channel 50 analog, in the current set up. As of last night, the video loop on 50 was still on, basically telling you that "if you are seeing this message, you are watching the old analog signal of MyTV, WZMY-TV.......". To equal the coverage of the old analog, they really need to beef up Channel 35 to the maximum 1,000,000 watts digital. True, WZMY-DT has fine cable coverage throughout the entire Boston market and into Northern New England. But for the others who still use OTA, and unless WZMY-DT gets some real transmitter power, they are going to be out of luck. I've been told that people who get a strong solid analog signal within 7 miles of the tower, get virtually no signal on the DTV. While I get a small amount of signal (about 20%) from WMUR-DT/59 and WNEU-DT/34 (though no decoding), I see no trace of WZMY-DT. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sun, 12/7/08, John Bolduc wrote: > From: John Bolduc > Subject: Channel 50DT (35RF) Derry NH Update > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 9:06 PM > Friday night I noticed that channel 50 DT WZMY > "almost" came in on my DTV converter. Without any > tweaking, I got a signal of 23 out of 100. The best previous > signal with considerable tweaking was about 10, and rare. > > I thought it might be conditions, but my DTV reception on > other channels was about the same. > > I talked with one of my acquaintance at church this morning > and he was pleased to say that he just started receving > channel 50DT on his rabbit ears in downtown Derry. > > Not a perfect signal, some pixelation, but at least a > watchable signal. So I'm speculating the WZMY has been > doing some transmitter/site work. > > > I'm thinking that if I take a little time away from the > ham radio and do some TV antenna tweaking, I'll having a > fighting chance now to get channel 50 in it's city of > licnese! > > > John B > Derry NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 7 22:48:43 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:48:43 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today References: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> <493C612D.6010904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47E7B4D334344FE08E738D7C65BD69F5@SatU205S5044> I think the take-away was supposed to be that her opinion represents that of college students in general. But since she is heavily involved in college radio but has no plans to pursue a radio career after graduation, I think the article makes too much of her opinion. She is clearly atypical. Her opinion may be interesting and her wording was memorable, so from a writing perspective, the author's use and placement of the quote was excellent. But the importance of the opinion is still questionable. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: College Radio Today > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> And this 19-year-old's opinion matters because the Times quoted >> her? I >> have to admit that it was a good snappy (even memorable) quote to >> end >> the story with, but that her opinion would be worth even the cost >> of the >> paper on which the times printed it is debateable. > > I'm confused here. If the article is about college radio, and by > extension the attitude college students have toward radio in > general, wouldn't the opinion of a 19-year-old be relevant almost by > definition? > > s From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 23:15:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Dec 2008 at 17:14, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are > being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech > by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and > so far I haven't seen any that have it. But all I want to do is continue using the VCR and DVD player that I already have. I have cable, and I assume that if my VCR (which has an analog tuner) is connected to cable, I'll still be able to record shows with it, just as I can watch shows with an analog TV. And I assume that if I connect the adaptor to a VCR, it will record a program just as it always has. > The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line > inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p > color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). Since an older VCR doesn't have those connections, I hope there is a regular input jack to connect a regular coax. For that matter, I've occasionally wondered how I would connect a DVD player to one of my older TVs, which has neither the three-plug video inputs nor an S-video jack. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 7 23:24:09 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:24:09 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today In-Reply-To: <47E7B4D334344FE08E738D7C65BD69F5@SatU205S5044> References: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> <493C612D.6010904@fybush.com> <47E7B4D334344FE08E738D7C65BD69F5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <493CA169.3070407@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I think the take-away was supposed to be that her opinion represents > that of college students in general. But since she is heavily involved > in college radio but has no plans to pursue a radio career after > graduation, I think the article makes too much of her opinion. She is > clearly atypical. Her opinion may be interesting and her wording was > memorable, so from a writing perspective, the author's use and > placement of the quote was excellent. But the importance of the > opinion is still questionable. The vast majority of the people with whom I did college radio (WBRS, 1990-92) were heavily involved in the station but did not enter the industry after graduation. Seems to me her perspective is probably much more typical than that of the handful of college radio people who do pursue a career in radio. I know I'd rather hear from her than from some self-proclaimed expert of the type so frequently quoted in these articles...and I say that as a self-proclaimed expert who is indeed often quoted in such articles :-) s From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 7 23:40:23 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:40:23 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <493CA537.3020005@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7 Dec 2008 at 17:14, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are >> being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech >> by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and >> so far I haven't seen any that have it. > > But all I want to do is continue using the VCR and DVD player that I > already have. I have cable, and I assume that if my VCR (which has > an analog tuner) is connected to cable, I'll still be able to record > shows with it, just as I can watch shows with an analog TV. And I > assume that if I connect the adaptor to a VCR, it will record a > program just as it always has. Indeed it will. There are two ways to do it - either use the RF (channel 3/4) output of the DTV converter, connected to the antenna input of the VCR, or the line out (RCA video/L-R audio) of the DTV converter, connected to the line input of the VCR. The latter hookup is preferable on a stereo VCR, since the DTV converter doesn't pass stereo through the RF output, AFAIK. The drawback here is that you're limited to recording from one channel at a time when you're away from the VCR, since the converter box has to be left on whatever channel you're planning to record. (A word of warning, also: some boxes, including the Zenith, have an auto-off feature that will turn the box off after a set amount of time if the channel isn't changed. This feature can, and in this case should, be disabled through a menu setting.) As for cable, you'll be able to continue to use analog cable with the VCR just as you always have - as long as analog cable continues. It's my understanding that Comcast aims to do away with analog cable entirely within the next couple of years, at which point you'd need a cable box to sit between the digital cable and the VCR. >> The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line >> inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p >> color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). > > Since an older VCR doesn't have those connections, I hope there is a > regular input jack to connect a regular coax. Even the oldest VCR I own, which dates to 1985, has RCA line-in and line-out jacks on the rear. That said, any digital TV now being sold has an RF input and a tuner that can view both ATSC digital and NTSC analog transmissions, which means you can use the RF output from the VCR into the TV, though the quality will obviously be less than optimal. > For that matter, I've occasionally wondered how I would connect a DVD > player to one of my older TVs, which has neither the three-plug video > inputs nor an S-video jack. Some DVD players have RF modulators, so you can just connect them to the RF input on your TV. Most do not - and in such a situation, you'd need an RF modulator, which can be obtained at any electronics store (or even a big-box retailer) for no more than $25 or so. Plug the RCA line-outs from the DVD player into the line-in on the RF modulator, then the RF output of the modulator into the antenna input on the TV. Again, you won't get all the benefits of the high-quality DVD medium, but it will work. I travel with an RF modulator in my "hotel room" kit, since the DVD recorders I use for TV airchecking on the road don't have RF outputs (though they do have an RF passthrough), and many hotel-room TVs don't have RCA inputs...at least, not working ones. s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 8 00:01:01 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:01:01 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1E58C69310AB47C98BEF1598A2AEBE9E@3E99EFDF7B084F8> You will need to get an RF modulator that will take the composite or S-Video output and place them on (NTSC) channel 3 or 4 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:16 PM To: Sid Schweiger Cc: boston Radio Group Subject: RE: DTV issues On 7 Dec 2008 at 17:14, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Play? Yes. Record? Probably not. The few current models of VCR are > being sold without tuners, because it's considered a nearly-dead tech > by the manufacturers. DVD recorders would need a digital tuner, and > so far I haven't seen any that have it. But all I want to do is continue using the VCR and DVD player that I already have. I have cable, and I assume that if my VCR (which has an analog tuner) is connected to cable, I'll still be able to record shows with it, just as I can watch shows with an analog TV. And I assume that if I connect the adaptor to a VCR, it will record a program just as it always has. > The few digital TVs I've seen have at least one regular set of line > inputs (video, audio-L and audio-R) and one set of 480p > color-separated inputs for a DVD player (labeled Y, Pr and Pb). Since an older VCR doesn't have those connections, I hope there is a regular input jack to connect a regular coax. For that matter, I've occasionally wondered how I would connect a DVD player to one of my older TVs, which has neither the three-plug video inputs nor an S-video jack. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Dec 8 00:11:51 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:11:51 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night Message-ID: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Not sure what was up with NewsCenter 5 at 11 tonight...but kept switching from standard to HD and during Mike Wankum's weather preview we got to watch a closeup of Ed Harding sit down in his chair with his tongue hanging out......as he fixed himself in his chair....then he got a phone call.......so hes sitting there talking on the phone...looking into the camera...while Wankum was doing audio....finally they cut over to Wankum and stayed there. Later during a package screen went to black while the audio rolled for about 10 seconds. New director maybe......the show was also late starting.......went from ABC to a static Ch 5 ID slide for about 20 seconds then to a commercial cluster.....then finally the news intro.......hmmmmmmm From garyfrancis@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 00:14:01 2008 From: garyfrancis@comcast.net (Gary Francis) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:14:01 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night Message-ID: <200812080514.mB85ELH7022695@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Not sure what was up with NewsCenter 5 at 11 tonight...but kept switching from standard to HD and during Mike Wankum's weather preview we got to watch a closeup of Ed Harding sit down in his chair with his tongue hanging out......as he fixed himself in his chair....then he got a phone call.......so hes sitting there talking on the phone...looking into the camera...while Wankum was doing audio....finally they cut over to Wankum and stayed there. Later during a package screen went to black while the audio rolled for about 10 seconds. New director maybe......the show was also late starting.......went from ABC to a static Ch 5 ID slide for about 20 seconds then to a commercial cluster.....then finally the news intro.......hmmmmmmm From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Dec 8 00:19:54 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:19:54 -0500 Subject: College Radio Today In-Reply-To: <493CA169.3070407@fybush.com> References: <60D286D699694E18B395E1353D7A1BBA@SatU205S5044> <493C612D.6010904@fybush.com> <47E7B4D334344FE08E738D7C65BD69F5@SatU205S5044> <493CA169.3070407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <493CAE7A.6020600@gabrielmass.com> I was surprised at the Oregon student's confidence: > ?At the end of the day your friends might not be there, your job might not be there,? Ms. Diamond said, ?but radio will always be there. And it?s really cool to have something you can depend on.? It's hard to know what this means, if anything. It sounds as if the reliable existence of radio will be a source of consolation to her in future adversities, in the way most of us look to God, our countries, our families, and our philosophies. Surely she is not so vapid: after all, she is a public policy major! Is she hoping that the intimate experience of radio will endure? That it will be the experience of a listener taking in a presentation artfully and personally crafted by a producer and presented by on-air personalities? In commercial music radio, that's gone and she knows it. And who's to say that college radio will survive: I can readily imagine most colleges de-funding their student outlets in hard times. So what does she mean? That radio will remain a piece of comfortingly familiar technology? I can add to her consolation by assuring her that the book, as a media technology, will also endure, at least for the rest of her life. In its current form -- the codex, the bound folio -- it's been around 1600 years. That makes me feel pretty good about it. And it's true: there will be something we can call radio: audio streams will be available through portable devices. We can expect even more of them: with portable internet devices already available in our cell phones, and probably more convenient in the future. But radio will no longer be a common social experience, a source of shared popular culture. I can listen in my car to an internet stream from somewhere in France and you can listen to the reggaeton channel on the satellite, and never the twain shall meet unless, God forbid, we collide. So what about radio is going to last? And what on earth is she trying to say? --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Dec 8 00:45:28 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:45:28 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night In-Reply-To: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:11 AM 12/8/2008, Gary wrote: >Not sure what was up with NewsCenter 5 at 11 tonight...but kept switching >from standard to HD and during Mike Wankum's weather preview we got to watch >a closeup of Ed Harding sit down in his chair with his tongue >hanging out......as he fixed himself in his chair.... I saw that. It was amusing. (Never assume the mike is off, never assume the camera isn't on you!) But I gotta tell you many weekend newscasts are like that-- maybe it's because they have the "weekend warriors" running the equipment, but I see really jaw-dropping mistakes on 5 and on 4, and even occasionally on 7. Lack of training of the weekend staff? Equipment glitches? Who knows? From sid@wrko.com Mon Dec 8 07:28:08 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:28:08 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I have cable, and I assume that if my VCR (which has an analog tuner) is connected to cable, I'll still be able to record shows with it, just as I can watch shows with an analog TV. And I assume that if I connect the adaptor to a VCR, it will record a program just as it always has.<< For only as long as analog cable exists, and its sunset is only a few years away at most. RCN has already killed analog cable here in Brighton (as we found out the hard way, since no one bothered to let us know in advance), and the rest are sure to follow. Since the CableCard standard turned out to be a monumental flop, when your cable system decides to abandon analog, you'll need to put a cable box in front of every TV and recording device you have. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Dec 8 13:06:25 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:06:25 EST Subject: College Radio Today Message-ID: In a message dated 12/8/2008 12:02:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: I was surprised at the Oregon student's confidence: > ?At the end of the day your friends might not be there, your job might not be there,? Ms. Diamond said, ?but radio will always be there. And it?s really cool to have something you can depend on.? It's hard to know what this means, if anything. It sounds as if the reliable existence of radio will be a source of consolation to her in future adversities, in the way most of us look to God, our countries, our families, and our philosophies. Surely she is not so vapid: after all, she is a public policy major! Is she hoping that the intimate experience of radio will endure? That it will be the experience of a listener taking in a presentation artfully and personally crafted by a producer and presented by on-air personalities? In commercial music radio, that's gone and she knows it. And who's to say that college radio will survive: I can readily imagine most colleges de-funding their student outlets in hard times. So what does she mean? That radio will remain a piece of comfortingly familiar technology? I can add to her consolation by assuring her that the book, as a media technology, will also endure, at least for the rest of her life. In its current form -- the codex, the bound folio -- it's been around 1600 years. That makes me feel pretty good about it. And it's true: there will be something we can call radio: audio streams will be available through portable devices. We can expect even more of them: with portable internet devices already available in our cell phones, and probably more convenient in the future. But radio will no longer be a common social experience, a source of shared popular culture. I can listen in my car to an internet stream from somewhere in France and you can listen to the reggaeton channel on the satellite, and never the twain shall meet unless, God forbid, we collide. So what about radio is going to last? And what on earth is she trying to say? --RC Wow. I never knew a simple comment could be so over-analyzed. How about a 19 year old kid, because that is what she is, making a comment about how she felt about radio at that particular moment in time. I think what she was saying is that life today is so uncertain, and in her young mind, radio would always be there. Nothing in life will always be there and that includes us. Mike **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From don.saklad@gmail.com Mon Dec 8 02:51:23 2008 From: don.saklad@gmail.com (don warner saklad) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:51:23 -0500 Subject: What can people do about the DTV promotion whose converter box coupons expired before they could use them?... Message-ID: What can people do about the DTV promotion whose converter box coupons expired before they could use them?... the coupon program call center and website issues 90 day coupons one time only. From neggytive@yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 13:14:58 2008 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:14:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: NH Chan 50 TV / 35 dt Message-ID: <272249.78697.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The interesting thing to watch will be to see how Comcast and others treats this signal. When I lived in Wakefield, WNDS was only "must carry" to the Warner subscribers in Wakefield, but none of the surrounding towns in the Warner "Medford Complex" because its signal was just strong enough to make it a must carry in Wakefield, but not Melrose, Malden, Medford, etc.. Granted this was back in the day when space on a cable system was at a premium, but now that there is a good amount of space due to digital technology would Comcast/ RCN/ Verizon/ Charter/ still drop any signal that does not meet the letter of the law for "must carry" status? I think the Derry NH C.O.L. station would be gone in a second if Comcast could do it. There are a bunch of crap stations out there that are "dollar a holler" infomercial or shop at home stations that forced there way onto cable systems using "must carry" that might be in for a rude awakening when their digital signal doesn't make it over the air to places the analog signal did. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 8 13:26:47 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:47 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <18749.26343.168332.430663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Since the CableCard standard turned out to be a monumental flop, > when your cable system decides to abandon analog, you'll need to put > a cable box in front of every TV and recording device you have. Kinda hard to describe it as a "flop" when there's one in every cable box. The widest support for them, for non-cableco-supplied equipment, is from TiVo. The new "tru2way" branding, which got a big promotional push at this year's CES but saw very limited adoption from the manufacturers, is nothing more than CableCARD 2.0 with OCAP. Panasonic has a couple of "tru2way" branded receivers out now, but they're only available in Chicago and Denver right now. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Dec 8 13:33:49 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:33:49 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <18749.26343.168332.430663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com> <493BF024.25962.8BA312@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AE5A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <18749.26343.168332.430663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469B42E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Kinda hard to describe it as a "flop" when there's one in every cable Box.<< Except that the original idea was that they were supposed to be built into the TV sets, not the cable boxes, thus obviating the need for a cable box. Not having it needlessly complicates things. What the cable companies really ought to be doing, IMHO, is permissioning at the pole drop, before any signals enter the house. But, that's another discussion. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 13:38:54 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:38:54 -0500 Subject: must carry? In-Reply-To: <272249.78697.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <272249.78697.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03D89797FA274EB1B209216A3E912CEE@fs.uml.edu> Also on the subject of "must carry": will cable companies be required to carry *all* the sub-channels if a local station decides to multicast? Comcast currently carries the WGBX-TV sub-channels, as well as the WHDH-TV weather channel (7.2), but I don't think they carry the WBPX sub-channels (or I haven't come across them). The interesting thing to watch will be to see how Comcast and others treats this signal. When I lived in Wakefield, WNDS was only "must carry" to the Warner subscribers in Wakefield, but none of the surrounding towns in the Warner "Medford Complex" because its signal was just strong enough to make it a must carry in Wakefield, but not Melrose, Malden, Medford, etc.. Granted this was back in the day when space on a cable system was at a premium, but now that there is a good amount of space due to digital technology would Comcast/ RCN/ Verizon/ Charter/ still drop any signal that does not meet the letter of the law for "must carry" status? I think the Derry NH C.O.L. station would be gone in a second if Comcast could do it. There are a bunch of crap stations out there that are "dollar a holler" infomercial or shop at home stations that forced there way onto cable systems using "must carry" that might be in for a rude awakening when their digital signal doesn't make it over the air to places the analog signal did. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 8 14:00:35 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:00:35 -0500 Subject: must carry? In-Reply-To: <03D89797FA274EB1B209216A3E912CEE@fs.uml.edu> References: <272249.78697.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <03D89797FA274EB1B209216A3E912CEE@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <18749.28371.207971.478472@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Also on the subject of "must carry": will cable companies be required to > carry *all* the sub-channels if a local station decides to multicast? Not as a result of must-carry. There's actually an interesting application at the FCC right now where Urban TV (a 49% subsidiary of ION) is applying for a "share-time" license to be implemented as a subchannel of the ION O&Os. If they FCC bought their logic (and it seems particularly tortured to me), then there would be two "main" programs on each ION transmitter, and both would have must-carry. When you see secondary programs on cable, it's generally a result of "retrans consent". -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 8 13:32:33 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:32:33 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night In-Reply-To: <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <003c01c95963$5b1818b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Donna Halper > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:45 AM > To: Gary; Boston radio e-mail list > Subject: Re: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night > > At 12:11 AM 12/8/2008, Gary wrote: >. > > I saw that. It was amusing. (Never assume the mike is off, > never assume the camera isn't on you!) But I gotta tell you > many weekend newscasts are like that-- maybe it's because > they have the "weekend warriors" running the equipment, but I > see really jaw-dropping mistakes on 5 and on 4, and even > occasionally on 7. But if you see something like that on 7 on a night when I'm on master, you can be assured that the problem is coming from studio control, and not from master. :-) Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 16:25:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:25:29 -0600 Subject: Phil Redo whacked at Greater Media Message-ID: <4fc429770812081325gaae685dhb74b156e1669ce4b@mail.gmail.com> The Herald reports that Greater Media has shown the door to Phil Redo who was in charge of the Boston cluster. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 16:37:23 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:37:23 -0600 Subject: CKSH back on Comcast? Message-ID: <4fc429770812081337r6ff2fb79hd2dee4dd42374b98@mail.gmail.com> I noticed yesterday that CKSH-TV Sherbrooke has been restored to the Chelmsford system on channel 98. It has been gone since 2000. The station is now owned by Radio-Canada. Years back the station was picked up over the air from Mt Washington and then microwaved back to Boston and I am curious if this is still the case. Apparently Mt Washington doesn't get a signal from WMUR. From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 8 16:59:51 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:59:51 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC469AEB5@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <493D5287.17272.37AC51@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Dec 2008 Sid Schweiger wrote: > For only as long as analog cable exists, and its sunset is only a few > years away at most. RCN has already killed analog cable here in > Brighton (as we found out the hard way, since no one bothered to let > us know in advance), and the rest are sure to follow. Since the > CableCard standard turned out to be a monumental flop, when your cable > system decides to abandon analog, you'll need to put a cable box in > front of every TV and recording device you have. I watch everything through the cable box anyway. I also have the VCR Rabbit, a device they were selling back in the 80s and early 90s which sends the VCR output down the line to another TV over a very thin wire. It even allows you to use the remote at another location. When the VCR isn't being used, the VCR output is the cable signal. It's perfectly legal, and it allows me to watch TV or VCR at any of three locations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Dec 8 17:00:59 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:00:59 -0500 Subject: CKSH back on Comcast? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812081337r6ff2fb79hd2dee4dd42374b98@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812081337r6ff2fb79hd2dee4dd42374b98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493D991B.3030805@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I noticed yesterday that CKSH-TV Sherbrooke has been restored to the > Chelmsford system on channel 98. It has been gone since 2000. > That would be nice to view. Here in Stoneham 98 is RTP Internacional, which I like also. Is 98 a slot for ethnic programming in other towns? --RC From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Dec 8 15:19:07 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:19:07 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night In-Reply-To: <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be350812081219l3a48984ega2eb30611e9d6353@mail.gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > > But I gotta tell you many weekend newscasts are > like that-- maybe it's because they have the "weekend warriors" running the > equipment, but I see really jaw-dropping mistakes on 5 and on 4, and even > occasionally on 7. Lack of training of the weekend staff? Equipment > glitches? Who knows? > I don't think anyone can top WBZ (radio) when it comes to general sloppiness on the air. Anchor intro'ing the weather & getting the traffic sounder instead, 2 things playing on air at a time, etc. This has been going on for years. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:02:08 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:02:08 -0500 Subject: NewsCenter 5 Sunday night In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350812081219l3a48984ega2eb30611e9d6353@mail.gmail.com> References: <200812080512.mB85CCCa022317@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <20081208054545.3EF881D9FCD@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <9ff2be350812081219l3a48984ega2eb30611e9d6353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493DA770.9060708@gmail.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I don't think anyone can top WBZ (radio) when it comes to general > sloppiness on the air. Anchor intro'ing the weather & getting the > traffic sounder instead, 2 things playing on air at a time, etc. This > has been going on for years. > You get what you pay for. Free up talent to do what they do best and put a quality tech on the board and QC improves. I am sure they consider the cost-benefit ratio. Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 8 21:51:38 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:51:38 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM Message-ID: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com> So the news is breaking this evening that NBC is planning to eliminate their 10 PM programming as we've known it, replacing it in 2010 with a new hour-long Jay Leno show. The Kansas City Star's Aaron Barnhart notes, in his blog entry tonight on the topic, that this move does two things: it gives NBC a way to extend late-night into a fourth hour, just as it's done with Today in the mornings, and it moves NBC from the "22-hour-a-week" network prime-time business, like CBS and ABC, into the "17-hour" business, like Fox. All of which leads me to wonder... Just as NBC gives affiliates flexibility to shift the extra hours of Today around to meet local programming needs (we get hour 3 at 10, instead of 9, and hour 4 at 11, instead of 10, so that our local WHEC can run Regis and Kelly at 9), could some NBC stations end up doing local news at 10 instead of 11, thus starting Leno at 10:37 and smoothly leading into Conan at 11:37 and Fallon at 12:37? I can't imagine WHDH doing that - they're already in the 10 PM news business, after all, with the WLVI show - but I could imagine WNBC giving it a shot, putting its struggling local news up against WNYW and WPIX instead of the tougher competition at 11 from WABC and WCBS, and then making WABC and WCBS face off against the second half-hour of Leno at 11? Total speculation here, I know...but we've certainly seen the networks do stranger stuff lately, haven't we? s From markwats@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 22:05:30 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:05:30 -0500 Subject: CKSH back on Comcast? References: <4fc429770812081337r6ff2fb79hd2dee4dd42374b98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007301c959aa$feb9ed80$0402a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I noticed yesterday that CKSH-TV Sherbrooke has been restored to the > Chelmsford system on channel 98. It has been gone since 2000. It's always been on the Lowell system on Channel 98. I don't know why it disappeared from Chelmsford, since I thought Comcast fed Chelmsford from the Lowell headend site. Mark Watson From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Dec 8 22:18:42 2008 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:18:42 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com> References: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Just as NBC gives affiliates flexibility to shift the extra hours of > Today around to meet local programming needs (we get hour 3 at 10, > instead of 9, and hour 4 at 11, instead of 10, so that our local > WHEC can run Regis and Kelly at 9), could some NBC stations end up > doing local news at 10 instead of 11, thus starting Leno at 10:37 > and smoothly leading into Conan at 11:37 and Fallon at 12:37? > > I can't imagine WHDH doing that - they're already in the 10 PM news > business, after all, with the WLVI show - but I could imagine WNBC > giving it a shot, putting its struggling local news up against WNYW > and WPIX instead of the tougher competition at 11 from WABC and > WCBS, and then making WABC and WCBS face off against the second half- > hour of Leno at 11? Why wouldn't WHDH do that? Are their ratings for the 10 PM WLVI news that good that they wouldn't mind saving the extra cost of producing that hour? They could just put something else on WLVI at 10. Do you think NBC will allow stations to run Jay Leno after news at 10? Would stations have the leverage to change schedules like they did years ago? Remember in the late 60s, after networks were only allowed to program three hours of prime-time between 7 and 11, that some network shows still started at 7:30 and stations had the 10:30-11 PM slot to fill? Could you imagine that happening now? I remember WNHC New Haven (channel 8) running Alfred Hitchcock Presents as their lead-in to their 11 PM news. Boy, have times changed. Stations might now figure their local news is more valuable than Leno at 10. Paul From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 8 23:51:28 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:51:28 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> References: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com> <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> Message-ID: <493DF950.8000208@fybush.com> Paul Anderson wrote: > Why wouldn't WHDH do that? Are their ratings for the 10 PM WLVI news > that good that they wouldn't mind saving the extra cost of producing > that hour? They could just put something else on WLVI at 10. True - heck, they could even do 11 PM on WLVI in that scenario. (Though surely the incremental cost of putting on the hour at 10 is close to zilch as long as the crew is already there for the 11.) > Do you think NBC will allow stations to run Jay Leno after news at 10? > Would stations have the leverage to change schedules like they did years > ago? > > Remember in the late 60s, after networks were only allowed to program > three hours of prime-time between 7 and 11, that some network shows > still started at 7:30 and stations had the 10:30-11 PM slot to fill? > Could you imagine that happening now? I remember WNHC New Haven > (channel 8) running Alfred Hitchcock Presents as their lead-in to their > 11 PM news. Boy, have times changed. Stations might now figure their > local news is more valuable than Leno at 10. I'm thinking the NBC O&Os could end up leading the way on this one - WNBC was the first station I thought of in this scenario. I'm thinking that *if* this were to happen, it would be an optional sort of arrangement. I can't imagine the Central or Mountain stations sliding their late news ahead to 9 PM - it's my sense that the Fox stations doing news at 9 in those time zones don't do nearly as well as their 10 PM brethren in Eastern and Pacific. Nor can I see the O&Os that do well at 11, like KNBC, wanting to shift things around. Then there's WCAU in Philadelphia, which produces a 10 under contract to Tribune's WPHL. Conversely, there are stations in odd duopoly arrangements that would probably love this - the NBC stations in Fort Wayne and Duluth are co-owned with those markets' ABC and CBS stations, respectively, and already have weird work-arounds to handle their 11 PM shows. In Fort Wayne, for instance, they do a 10 PM show on the CW and My subchannels, tape it, and replay it at 11 on NBC while they have a live newscast on ABC. However this plays out, it's fascinating to me - I came of age, TV-viewing-wise, in the 70s, after the Prime-Time Access Rule, so for me, prime time has ALWAYS been 8-11, followed by 30-35 minutes of news and Tonight/Nightline/Whatever CBS Is Showing. I sense that this move is only the first crack in the crumbling of that system... s From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 9 01:47:18 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:47:18 -0500 Subject: DTV issues In-Reply-To: <493CA537.3020005@fybush.com> References: <0KBB00MWBFOMBS10@asmtp014.mac.com>, <493C591A.7287.225A24C@joe.attorneyross.com>, <493CA537.3020005@fybush.com> Message-ID: <493DCE26.28278.AA2CF1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Dec 2008 at 23:40, Scott Fybush wrote: > The drawback here is that you're limited to recording from one channel > at a time when you're away from the VCR, since the converter box has > to be left on whatever channel you're planning to record. That's the way my system has always worked. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 9 01:47:25 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:47:25 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> References: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com>, <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> Message-ID: <493DCE2D.27881.AA4B85@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Dec 2008 at 22:18, Paul Anderson wrote: > Why wouldn't WHDH do that? Are their ratings for the 10 PM WLVI news > that good that they wouldn't mind saving the extra cost of producing > that hour? They could just put something else on WLVI at 10. > > Do you think NBC will allow stations to run Jay Leno after news at > 10? Would stations have the leverage to change schedules like they > did years ago? That would create a real problem for NBC, since it would pit Leno against Conan O'Brien, which they obviously don't want to do. I think one main reason for their putting Leno at 10 was to prevent him from moving to ABC opposite Conan. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 9 01:08:03 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:08:03 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <493DF950.8000208@fybush.com> References: <493DDD3A.5010300@fybush.com> <5DBB3D16-5939-4163-B750-4EB9E5190541@charter.net> <493DF950.8000208@fybush.com> Message-ID: <0KBL009VJIDHJF30@asmtp014.mac.com> At 11:51 PM 12/8/2008, Scott Fybush wrote: >Paul Anderson wrote: > >>Why wouldn't WHDH do that? Are their ratings for the 10 PM WLVI >>news that good that they wouldn't mind saving the extra cost of >>producing that hour? They could just put something else on WLVI at 10. > I don't think any station could do it, as the national commercials in the new Leno show would be sold on the basis of being in that time period nationwide. BTW, when I left work at 9 PM I had not heard about this, it was on this list after I got home that I first found out about this. I think tomorrow will be an interesting day at work. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 07:58:46 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:58:46 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM Message-ID: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> Could this happen? Leno at 10 O'Brien at 11 NBC wouldn't want people switching from Leno to Stewart/Colbert at 11, and forgetting about O'Brien. Could NBC force its affiliates, like WHDH, to run network at 11? Olbermann last night joked about this affecting his rerun at 10. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 08:09:46 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:09:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV Test - Pass, Fail, Draw Message-ID: <163959.18410.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Our primary television took part in the "Boston" DTV test this morning at 5:15am. Channel 4DT passed, Channel 5 analog failed, using the analog pass through on the DTV converter, Channel 7 didn't do the test that "all Boston Stations were doing." The explanation as to what to expect was somewhat ambigiuos. I pretty much got results that make sense. Channel 44.1, 44.2, 44.3, 44.4 either didn't do the test, or I switched over too late. John B Derry NH From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 9 10:52:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:35 -0600 Subject: CKSH back on Comcast? In-Reply-To: <007301c959aa$feb9ed80$0402a8c0@Mark> References: <4fc429770812081337r6ff2fb79hd2dee4dd42374b98@mail.gmail.com> <007301c959aa$feb9ed80$0402a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770812090752p43151178iea74fae2d8639eeb@mail.gmail.com> True Lowell does feed Chelmsford but there are minor changes such as local access and government channels. CKSH vanished when Media One became ATT Broadband around 1999. On 12/8/08, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >>I noticed yesterday that CKSH-TV Sherbrooke has been restored to the >> Chelmsford system on channel 98. It has been gone since 2000. > > It's always been on the Lowell system on Channel 98. I don't know why it > disappeared from Chelmsford, since I thought Comcast fed Chelmsford from the > Lowell headend site. > > Mark Watson > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 9 13:04:31 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:04:31 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> Message-ID: <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill Dillane > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:59 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Leno to 10 PM > > Could this happen? > > Leno at 10 > O'Brien at 11 > > NBC wouldn't want people switching from Leno to > Stewart/Colbert at 11, and forgetting about O'Brien. > > Could NBC force its affiliates, like WHDH, to run network at 11? Anything's possible, but they couldn't do it without big protests from the local stations. The 11 is the big money-maker for the locals. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 9 14:20:09 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: WUNR-AM signal Stronger Message-ID: <20081209192009.53E4732675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Late last spring (remember spring?), after WUNR-AM 1600 tore down its two relatively tall towers and began broadcasting from the 5-tower array that will be the home of WUNR, WKOX, and WRCA, the signal dropped like a stone. The actual reading on my radio that displays relative signal strength became much weaker than adjacent WSMN-AM 1590, and other 1600's could be heard interfering with it even at midday (WWRL in NYC and WHMP in Longmeadow, MA). Of course, right now, the area is experiencing cold, dry weather that often helps boost AM signal strength anyway, with or without snow. But today (Tuesday 12/9) WUNR came in not only much better than usual, but it approximated WSMN better and seemed to squelch co-channel interference at midday (this some 30 miles due north of Sawmill Brook Parkway). I don't know if this means that they're at the fully-licensed 20K DA-1, but it if so, it seems to be the first "progress" that array has demonstrated in months. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 9 21:53:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:53:59 -0600 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> NY Times is saying for now the Leno show would stay in Burbank but I thought NBC sold the property. Did they keep an option to retain studio space there? I doubt Leno would ever move back east but it is possible 6-A could be remodeled back to an audience setting OR.... Would they tell Conan to stay in NY which would save the expense of relocating the staff to California. Not sure back to back LA based shows is a good idea as Jay would have the upper hand booking guests for prime time. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Dec 9 22:10:48 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:10:48 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > NY Times is saying for now the Leno show would stay in Burbank but I > thought NBC sold the property. They sold the property, but the new owner is still intended to lease it out as studio space, apparently. When I took the tour last month, the page said that the "DOOL" staff didn't want to have to move four decades worth of old props. (Apparently, rather than splicing in old film for flashback scenes, they just reshoot the scene with the old props.) Studio 3 is a pretty good one for Leno, and one that would cost them a bit of time and money to replicate over at Universal. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved him eventually -- assuming this new thing works out -- but I'm sure NBC worked the numbers on leasing back 3 versus building another new audience studio at Universal and decided that leaving Leno in Burbank was the better choice. (The current studio assignments at 3000 W. Alameda: "Access Hollywood" is in 1, "DOOL" is in 2 and 4, Leno is in 3, and local news is in 5.) -GAWollman From blainethompson@gmail.com Tue Dec 9 22:16:57 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:16:57 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> This is a stupid question, I know, but which set did Carson have? I know Carson's show was in Burbank (at the end), but I don't know if he used the same set that Leno uses today. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Dec 9 22:51:40 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:51:40 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18751.15564.119074.298071@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This is a stupid question, I know, but which set did Carson have? I know > Carson's show was in Burbank (at the end), but I don't know if he used the > same set that Leno uses today. Carson used a different set, and in fact a different studio. Those of us who are older will remember that Carson's stage was painted glossy black (whereas Leno's stage is wood-tone). Carson was in studio 1, the largest of the studios at 3000 W. Alameda; Leno is in studio 3. Leno is already on his third set, IIRC. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 9 23:10:28 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:10:28 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <18751.15564.119074.298071@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> <18751.15564.119074.298071@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <493F4134.9030207@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> This is a stupid question, I know, but which set did Carson have? I know >> Carson's show was in Burbank (at the end), but I don't know if he used the >> same set that Leno uses today. > > Carson used a different set, and in fact a different studio. Those of > us who are older will remember that Carson's stage was painted glossy > black (whereas Leno's stage is wood-tone). Carson was in studio 1, > the largest of the studios at 3000 W. Alameda; Leno is in studio 3. > > Leno is already on his third set, IIRC. My recollection is that Leno started in studio 1 when he took over from Carson, but soon decided he wanted a smaller, more intimate space, thus the move inside to studio 3. s From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 10 02:04:03 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:04:03 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net>, <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com>, <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <493F2393.7940.8C29A7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Dec 2008 at 22:10, Garrett Wollman wrote: > They sold the property, but the new owner is still intended to lease > it out as studio space, apparently. When I took the tour last month, > the page said that the "DOOL" staff didn't want to have to move four > decades worth of old props. (Apparently, rather than splicing in old > film for flashback scenes, they just reshoot the scene with the old > props.) DOOL? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 10 02:04:04 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:04:04 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <493F4134.9030207@fybush.com> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net>, <18751.15564.119074.298071@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <493F4134.9030207@fybush.com> Message-ID: <493F2394.12048.8C2EC7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Dec 2008 at 23:10, Scott Fybush wrote: > My recollection is that Leno started in studio 1 when he took over > from Carson, but soon decided he wanted a smaller, more intimate > space, thus the move inside to studio 3. That's my recollection too. As I recall, when Leno was losing ratings to Letterman, he re-tooled his studio and tried various other changes to try to catch up -- in which he succeeded. A setup which placed him closer to the audience was one of the biggest changes. He also tried more casual attire, but gave that up fairly quickly. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 10 00:01:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:01:33 -0600 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812092101i1ae5ccaas437860efcecdbc5a@mail.gmail.com> I thought it was 4 at the end but Garrett was just there and says 1. I have a tape where Carson walks out of his studio to the one next door and there was a big 3 on the studio barges into to disrupt a CPO Sharkey taping because Rickles had broken Johnny's ashtray. I would guess they moved Carson around as bigger stages like Dean Martin opened up. So where does Carson Daly tape? 25 years ago they had one studio especially for game shows and just taped many episodes at once. On 12/9/08, Blaine Thompson wrote: > This is a stupid question, I know, but which set did Carson have? I know > Carson's show was in Burbank (at the end), but I don't know if he used the > same set that Leno uses today. > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 9 22:26:51 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:26:51 -0600 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770812091926t56dffb0dw651077681a5dd169@mail.gmail.com> If I remember correctly 4 was the Carson studio. Did they gut out the audience section when the soap moved in? Still I would not be shocked to see Conan stay in NYC now for reasons I mentioned earlier. On 12/9/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> NY Times is saying for now the Leno show would stay in Burbank but I >> thought NBC sold the property. > > They sold the property, but the new owner is still intended to lease > it out as studio space, apparently. When I took the tour last month, > the page said that the "DOOL" staff didn't want to have to move four > decades worth of old props. (Apparently, rather than splicing in old > film for flashback scenes, they just reshoot the scene with the old > props.) > > Studio 3 is a pretty good one for Leno, and one that would cost them a > bit of time and money to replicate over at Universal. I wouldn't be > surprised if they moved him eventually -- assuming this new thing > works out -- but I'm sure NBC worked the numbers on leasing back 3 > versus building another new audience studio at Universal and decided > that leaving Leno in Burbank was the better choice. > > (The current studio assignments at 3000 W. Alameda: "Access Hollywood" > is in 1, "DOOL" is in 2 and 4, Leno is in 3, and local news is in 5.) > > -GAWollman > > From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 05:26:02 2008 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:26:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <493F2393.7940.8C29A7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <156398.33889.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > DOOL? Days Of Our Lives? Not being a fan of daytime television, it took me some time to come up with this. Doug Bassett Bratleboro, VT From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 06:27:59 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <493F2393.7940.8C29A7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <402440.29698.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Days of our Lives", which NBC is constantly threatening to cancel. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: From: A. Joseph Ross Subject: Re: Leno to 10 PM To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:04 AM On 9 Dec 2008 at 22:10, Garrett Wollman wrote: > They sold the property, but the new owner is still intended to lease > it out as studio space, apparently. When I took the tour last month, > the page said that the "DOOL" staff didn't want to have to move four > decades worth of old props. (Apparently, rather than splicing in old > film for flashback scenes, they just reshoot the scene with the old > props.) DOOL? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 10 09:50:44 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: Leno to 10 PM In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812092101i1ae5ccaas437860efcecdbc5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c959fd$dfe00bd0$9fa02370$@net> <002f01c95a28$9b2e3c20$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <4fc429770812091853p12197aeek6516273e378c559b@mail.gmail.com> <18751.13112.467202.543280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0812091916j4b620914hc3b25351f42b4887@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770812092101i1ae5ccaas437860efcecdbc5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18751.55108.392495.515974@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I thought it was 4 at the end but Garrett was just there and says 1. I > have a tape where Carson walks out of his studio to the one next door > and there was a big 3 on the studio barges into to disrupt a CPO > Sharkey taping because Rickles had broken Johnny's ashtray. And 3 is next door to 1. See . When I did the tour, "Access Hollywood" was taping, so I didn't get to see whether the audience seating was still there in studio 1. 2 and 4 are used alternately: they build sets in one while taping in the other. It was probably different thirty years ago. > So where does Carson Daly tape? I believe he's also in studio 3. When I got out of the Tonight Show taping, there was a page recruiting audience members for his show. (I guess there's not much demand to be in his audience.) > 25 years ago they had one studio especially for game shows and just > taped many episodes at once. I don't think NBC is taping any game shows now -- at least not in Burbank. I think most of the game shows left in production on the west coast are either at CBS Television City or at Sony Pictures Studios. -GAWollman From jwcorcoran@earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 11:49:53 2008 From: jwcorcoran@earthlink.net (Joe Corcoran) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:49:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Leno to 10 PM Message-ID: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I took the tour last year and had the opposite experience. Leno was taping a segment in 3, but we were allowed to go into 1, saw the Access Hollywood set, which is basically on the stage where Carson used to walk out through the rainbow colored curtains, turned around, and there were all the theater style seats from the Carson days. There were still old RCA ribbon mikes hanging down from the ceilings to pick up the audience. There is a plaque on the floor of the Access set marking where Johnny's desk used to sit. We were told there were also other studios across the lot from the building we took the tour in. I know until this year "Ellen" used one of them, and I believe others were rented out to syndicated game tapings and the like. Joe Corcoran -----Original Message----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM >To: Kevin Vahey >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Leno to 10 PM > ><<>And 3 is next door to 1. See >. When I did the tour, >"Access Hollywood" was taping, so I didn't get to see whether the >audience seating was still there in studio 1. > >2 and 4 are used alternately: they build sets in one while taping in >the other. It was probably different thirty years ago. > . > >-GAWollman > From mike@miscon.net Wed Dec 10 16:17:40 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: radio related: NPR to lay off 7% of staff In-Reply-To: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlin k.net> References: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1228943860.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> >From the Washington Post: "Faced with a sharp decline in revenue, National Public Radio said today it will pare back its once-flourishing operations, and institute its first organization-wide layoffs in 25 years." full story here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/10/AR2008121002064.html?hpid=moreheadlines From mike@miscon.net Wed Dec 10 16:20:28 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:20:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: NPR layoff memo In-Reply-To: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlin k.net> References: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1228944028.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> An alleged copy of the NPR staff memo regarding layoffs can be found here: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/radio/nprs_trimmed_sails_and_the_future_the_staff_announcement_103005.asp From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Dec 10 17:41:52 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:41:52 -0500 Subject: NPR layoff memo In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.123.1228944028.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <32502112.1228927793519.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <.132.185.144.123.1228944028.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <494045B0.40909@ttlc.net> Interesting: The cuts were in the workforce, not Senior Management - they were merely "re-aligned" mike@miscon.net wrote: > > An alleged copy of the NPR staff memo regarding layoffs can be found > here: > > http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/radio/nprs_trimmed_sails_and_the_future_the_staff_announcement_103005.asp > > > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Dec 11 10:37:18 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:37:18 +0000 Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? Message-ID: <494133AE.1030403@Gmail.com> Since yesterday afternoon, WFXT-25 analog has been off-air (or at undetectably low power, up here on the North Shore?), though their DTV signal has been fine. Could this be an early analog shut-off? They *were* at greatly reduced power a couple of weeks ago for a few days, but then returned to normal. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From peterwmurray@gmail.com Thu Dec 11 11:41:44 2008 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:41:44 -0500 Subject: WICC-TV - was Is WBZ AM-TV In-Reply-To: <001101c949db$7f88ff80$7e9afe80$@net> References: <001101c949db$7f88ff80$7e9afe80$@net> Message-ID: As was WSBA-TV (43, York), until they flipped in the early '80s to WPMT-TV (independent), then later affiliated with Fox... -Peter On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Bill Dillane wrote: [snip] > Similar situation in Central PA. Channels 15 and 21 were CBS affiliates. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Dec 11 11:41:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:41:33 -0600 Subject: What ever happened to 'Roxie' and ski reports Message-ID: <4fc429770812110841r19f2fc1evcec87871d343f339@mail.gmail.com> Anybody else remember the daily ski reports on WBZ by Roxie? He was a mainstay for years and I am curious what became of him. From brouder@juno.com Thu Dec 11 16:32:34 2008 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:32:34 GMT Subject: Roxy Rothafel Message-ID: <20081211.163234.21668.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Arthur I. "Roxy" Rothafel died on November 26, 1994 at the age of 85. He had a fascinating life which is recapped on the NH Association of Broadcasters Alumni Pages: ( http://www.nhab.org/about_NHAB/alumni.cfm# ). Ed Brouder Manchester, NH ____________________________________________________________ Want to work from home? Study to become a certified medical transcriptionist at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbu1VbGn8laYjuQc3I4CAZTTQE1jPadq8q95QtE4xTulshRxG/ From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 11 17:58:18 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:58:18 -0500 Subject: WEIM Radio Show Features Local Musicians Message-ID: <006901c95be3$f5d09080$0402a8c0@Mark> I came across an article in the Fitchburg/Leominster Sentinel and Enterprise about a Thursday night show on WEIM that plays a mix of blues, funk, rock and R & B along with interviews and music from local artists. One of the three hosts of the show is longtime WEIM personality Ray C (Chalifoux), who's was the morning host there for over 30 years. Link to the article: http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/local/ci_11194058 Mark Watson From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 18:00:20 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? In-Reply-To: <494133AE.1030403@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <750308.2539.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Checking the snow bands, I too see no sign of WFXT/Analog 25, here south of Boston. It seems like quite a few stations are making early exits from analog, namely WGGB/40, WGBY/57, WZMY/50, WLWC/28 (who gave VERY EARLY notice of their early exit) and finally WFXT/25 (maybe). Slowly but surely, my little Color Watchman is becoming analog "challenged". I would not be surprised if MORE stations opt out to early shutdown. True, it all comes to an end some 69 days from now. I hope the next generation digital tuners can be a little more sensitive than the numb tuners that current exist. Without some form of an amplified antenna, you have very little chance of getting a solid signal from the existing digital stations. Ah, how nice it was to just move the VHF "rabbit ears" or the UHF "bow ties" to get a decent picture. Now, it's the luck of the draw. But I digress. With twisted memories of the late Media One's old slogan, "This is digital, this is the way.....". I can only imagine what the FCC switchboard will be inundated with on February 18th, 2009. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:37 AM > Since yesterday afternoon, WFXT-25 analog has been off-air > (or at undetectably low power, up here on the North Shore?), > though their DTV signal has been fine. Could this be an > early analog shut-off? They *were* at greatly reduced power > a couple of weeks ago for a few days, but then returned to > normal. > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. > ***** From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Dec 11 18:16:34 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:16:34 -0500 Subject: Cable rep hosts local meeting on DTV transition Message-ID: <49419F52.8010200@gabrielmass.com> A public meeting in Malden gave some local residents an opportunity to find out about the DTV switchover. I suppose these things should be presented by the town's cable TV committee rather than by a rep from the cable company, just to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. Do the towns all still have cable-TV committees in the town government? --RC http://www.wickedlocal.com/stoneham/town_info/government/x1196581604/Meeting-addresses-concerns-over-pending-digital-TV-conversion From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Dec 11 18:17:58 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:58 -0500 Subject: WEIM Radio Show Features Local Musicians References: <006901c95be3$f5d09080$0402a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: Some of us who grew up listening to WEIM would love to hear this, but the station doesn't yet broadcast on the Internet. '''Listen Live' is coming soon" has been on the website for over a year now. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: WEIM Radio Show Features Local Musicians > I came across an article in the Fitchburg/Leominster Sentinel and > Enterprise about a Thursday night show on WEIM that plays a mix of blues, > funk, rock and R & B along with interviews and music from local artists. > One of the three hosts of the show is longtime WEIM personality Ray C > (Chalifoux), who's was the morning host there for over 30 years. > > Link to the article: > > http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/local/ci_11194058 > > Mark Watson > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 11 19:13:01 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:13:01 -0500 Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? In-Reply-To: <750308.2539.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <494133AE.1030403@Gmail.com> <750308.2539.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c95bee$65eb3ff0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Peter Q. George > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:00 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest; Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > Subject: Re: WFXT-25A Off-Air? > > Checking the snow bands, I too see no sign of WFXT/Analog 25, > here south of Boston. The info I have is that WFXT went digital only today, as the analog transmitter broke, and it was deemed not worth fixing for only two month's use. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Dec 11 18:08:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:08:38 -0600 Subject: Roxy Rothafel In-Reply-To: <20081211.163234.21668.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081211.163234.21668.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812111508o57117382x9123f8a19ae7a51b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Sadly that website also confirmed that Ray Harris passed away over a year ago. Ray was the best boss I have ever had in broadcasting. On 12/11/08, brouder@juno.com wrote: > > Arthur I. "Roxy" Rothafel died on November 26, 1994 at the age of 85. He > had a fascinating life which is recapped on the NH Association of > Broadcasters Alumni Pages: > ( http://www.nhab.org/about_NHAB/alumni.cfm# ). > > Ed Brouder > Manchester, NH > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to double your salary by becoming a medical transcriber. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbu1Vajh2AwjDj9BUUJ1gRXahOBtQvr6hH1ISumrMdsomyR5l/ > From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 11 19:26:55 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:26:55 -0500 Subject: John Lander Out At WBMX Message-ID: <009501c95bf0$57c1d810$0402a8c0@Mark> The Boston Herald reports that WBMX morning host John Lander has left the building. He did his last show this morning, and his contract, which ran out today is not being renewed according to a statement from the station. Link to the brief Herald article: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1138414 Mark Watson From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Dec 11 19:51:17 2008 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:51:17 -0500 Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? In-Reply-To: <002f01c95bee$65eb3ff0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <494133AE.1030403@Gmail.com> <750308.2539.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002f01c95bee$65eb3ff0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <70C4B5B6-F8ED-433B-A90D-16E1C97FA939@charter.net> On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > The info I have is that WFXT went digital only today, as the analog > transmitter broke, and it was deemed not worth fixing for only two > month's > use. It's funny that so many stations' analog transmitters are breaking right about now. I suspect it's due to lack of maintenance on them given their uselessness after February. WFTX's analog signal was HUGE--better than any other Boston U. I was very impressed when they first signed on the air. Paul From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 20:35:03 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:35:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: WFXT-25A Off-Air? In-Reply-To: <70C4B5B6-F8ED-433B-A90D-16E1C97FA939@charter.net> Message-ID: <894254.986.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It does seem funny that so many station's analog transmitters "all of a sudden" seem to be "unfixable" some two months before the mandated shutoff date. I'm sure they won't miss the electric bill that was required to keep those analog babies running in the first place. I don't know, it all seems too coincidental. Personally, I say... hey, FINISH THE JOB and stay on the air until 2/17/08. There are still plenty of people who are not yet wired for digital. If they don't get the hint to go digital by 2/17, then "hasta la vista, baby". Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > > > The info I have is that WFXT went digital only today, > as the analog > > transmitter broke, and it was deemed not worth fixing > for only two month's > > use. > > It's funny that so many stations' analog > transmitters are breaking right about now. I suspect > it's due to lack of maintenance on them given their > uselessness after February. > > WFTX's analog signal was HUGE--better than any other > Boston U. I was very impressed when they first signed on > the air. > > Paul From rickkelly@gmail.com Thu Dec 11 19:46:27 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:46:27 -0500 Subject: Roxy Rothafel In-Reply-To: <20081211.163234.21668.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081211.163234.21668.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10812111646v1db7792am431139ca56418a70@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, brouder@juno.com wrote: > Arthur I. "Roxy" Rothafel died on November 26, 1994 at the age of 85. He had a fascinating life which is recapped on the NH Association of Broadcasters Alumni Pages ( http://www.nhab.org/about_NHAB/alumni.cfm# ).<< I used to chat with Roxy, and tape and run his ski reports on a couple of stations I worked it. Interesting guy. I'm now reading "Hello Everybody: The Dawn of American Radio" by Anthony Rudel, and Rudel talks a lot about Rothafel Sr. in the book. Wish I'd known to ask Roxy about his Dad when we would occasionally chat. (The book, by the way, is a pretty good read.) Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 12 00:41:01 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:41:01 -0500 Subject: Cable rep hosts local meeting on DTV transition In-Reply-To: <49419F52.8010200@gabrielmass.com> References: <49419F52.8010200@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4941B31D.22350.3E83E8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Dec 2008 at 18:16, Richard Chonak wrote: > I suppose these things should be presented by the town's cable TV > committee rather than by a rep from the cable company, just to avoid > the appearance of conflict of interest. Do the towns all still have > cable-TV committees in the town government? I don't know about other towns, but Brookline still has one. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 12 03:47:35 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:47:35 -0500 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal Message-ID: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Glenn Ordway's contract with Entercom/WEEI expires on Dec 31. He's taking the rest of the year off and hopes to be back after the first of the year, but will it be at SportsRadio 850? He's in conversation with Entercom about renewing the contract right now. Ordway says his show gets great ratings and he hopes to continue into '09. http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_12_12_Sports_guy_Glenn_Ordway_trying_to_reach_a_new_deal_with_WEEI:_The_big_no_/srvc=home&position=3 From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:28:13 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ordway addressed the issue at the end of his show yesterday. For the life of me I can't understand why Entercom gives money makers like Glenn and Howie Carr such a hard time yet reups Tom Finneran without provication or question. The Herald reported yesterday that they want to go after Eagan & Braudie when their contract with WTKK expires in a year. Keep up the dumb decisions and there may not be any money next year to make that move! ________________________________ From: Bob Nelson To: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:47:35 AM Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal Glenn Ordway's contract with Entercom/WEEI expires on Dec 31. He's taking the rest of the year off and hopes to be back after the first of the year, but will it be at SportsRadio 850? He's in conversation with Entercom about renewing the contract right now. Ordway says his show gets great ratings and he hopes to continue into '09. http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_12_12_Sports_guy_Glenn_Ordway_trying_to_reach_a_new_deal_with_WEEI:_The_big_no_/srvc=home&position=3 From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 08:50:19 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:50:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <155753.52284.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> But you can't be much of a hero when you give another ownership group the chance to flip an FM to a competing format with your (now former) marquee talent. Other than Pete Shepard no one else from the Big Show is under contract to WEEI. They could all theoretically go with Ordway to 92.9, 103.3 or whatever other frequency is rumored to be flipping to sports talk. And that leaves you with Pete and whomever they can get. (Mike Felger isn't an option because of his CSN committment.) Said it before and I'll say it again - Entercom has been lucky so far that the competition for WEEI has been so feeble and/or inept and now the economy works in their favor by ownerships not wanting to invest in talent and/or format flips. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 12 11:16:07 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:16:07 -0500 Subject: more cost cutting of local hosts; this time KABC Message-ID: <20081212161607.BEBB5CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> It's reported on http://www.radio-info.com, and on Elder's site, that "firebrand libertarian" Larry Elder is leaving KABC in what is likely a cost-cutting move. Elder is an African-American with mostly conservative views except on some social issues (he is being replaced by openly gay conservative host Al Rantel). Like many stations, Citadel's KABC is bringing in more syndication and cutting back on local hosts. (Similar to WRKO, they go to baseball at night-- in their case the Dodgers, with three innings worth of Vin Scully). Elder, known as "the Sage from South Central", had been nationally syndicated for awhile before doing a KABC-only program. Sign of the times; less local hosts. He says he is a small-L libertarian and no longer belongs to the Libertarian party (leaving due to the Libertarians' position on the Iraq war; became a Republican). He was one of the hosts who tried out for the old Imus in the Morning slot on MSNBC, but the post went to Joe Scarborough. From blainethompson@gmail.com Fri Dec 12 10:30:17 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:30:17 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio Message-ID: <7bded94e0812120730u5d525868mc7c924a9280bb1df@mail.gmail.com> Any idea if all of the Worcester stations are okay after the storm? I'm watching online video from WCVB and it looks bad. (The reporter said Worcester got the worst of it...) http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18257352/detail.html - Blaine From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 12 11:48:30 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0812120730u5d525868mc7c924a9280bb1df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Any idea if all of the Worcester stations are okay after the storm? > I'm watching online video from WCVB and it looks bad. (The reporter > said Worcester got the worst of it...) 760 WVNE, 830 WCRN (the biggest of the bunch), 960 WFGL, and 1280 WEIM all seem to still be off the air. 96.1 WSRS and 94.9 W235AV (translator for 580 WTAG) were off all night until around 6 this morning. 92.5 WXRV was off until a couple hours ago, and they seem to be on low power now. 104.5 WXLO was off until around 11. 106.3 WFNQ may be off, usually they mix in with WWKX a little when I point north, but there's no sign of them right now. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From thomas.whetston@gmail.com Fri Dec 12 12:44:53 2008 From: thomas.whetston@gmail.com (Thomas Whetston) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:44:53 -0600 Subject: AM 1280 Message-ID: >From: "Doug Drown" >To: "Mark Watson" , "Boston Radio" interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org> >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:58 -0500 >Subject: Re: WEIM Radio Show Features Local Musicians >Some of us who grew up listening to WEIM would love to hear this, but the station doesn't yet >broadcast on the Internet. '''Listen Live' is coming soon" has been on the website for over a year now. ->Doug I had asked them about that, then they removed the button for a few weeks... For the last few weeks the images wouldn't display.. I hope it eventually does happen, I'd like my fix of the "Ol C" Thom Whetston From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 14:02:06 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal In-Reply-To: <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <126686.81736.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 12/12/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > Ordway addressed the issue at the end of his show yesterday. > For the life of me I can't understand why Entercom gives > money makers like Glenn and Howie Carr such a hard time yet > reups Tom Finneran without provication or question. The > Herald reported yesterday that they want to go after Eagan > & Braudie when their contract with WTKK expires in a > year. Keep up the dumb decisions and there may not be any > money next year to make that move! They may not have the cash. Herald story mentions that they are close to being delisted. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Dec 12 14:26:48 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:26:48 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 Message-ID: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the Illinois governor would say, "With all of the bleeping &$^# and @@#% over the bleeping econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound like in 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board ops feeding birds? Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Dec 12 14:51:20 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:51:20 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the Illinois > governor would say, "With all of the bleeping &$^# and @@#% over the > bleeping econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound like in > 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board ops feeding birds? Well, nationally, I'm looking for a number of group owners to enter bankruptcy. This will create opportunities for the better-managed firms with access to private capital to acquire stations from companies like Salem at attractive prices. CBS will still be in the radio business, and will still be trying to flog off its smaller-market properties. GE will still not be in the radio business, but they might finally get a deal done with Ansin to buy channel 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonneville acquire more stations, perhaps getting back into New York if something comes on the market at a decent price. (You could have all of Emmis for slightly less than $15 million today. Act now!) -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Dec 12 15:01:16 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:01:16 -0600 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812121201w3bbda84fo6ea1125a4cd644f7@mail.gmail.com> I've got a few bucks, I'll help chip in to buy Emmis if everyone else will too.. lol! Paul Walker On 12/12/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < > said: > > > With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the Illinois > > governor would say, "With all of the bleeping &$^# and @@#% over the > > bleeping econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound like in > > 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board ops feeding birds? > > > Well, nationally, I'm looking for a number of group owners to enter > bankruptcy. This will create opportunities for the better-managed > firms with access to private capital to acquire stations from > companies like Salem at attractive prices. CBS will still be in the > radio business, and will still be trying to flog off its > smaller-market properties. GE will still not be in the radio > business, but they might finally get a deal done with Ansin to buy > channel 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonneville acquire more > stations, perhaps getting back into New York if something comes on the > market at a decent price. (You could have all of Emmis for slightly > less than $15 million today. Act now!) > > -GAWollman > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Dec 12 15:22:37 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:22:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 12/12/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the > Illinois governor would say, "With all of the bleeping > &$^# and @@#% over the bleeping > econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound > like in 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board > ops feeding birds? I predict that we will not see Joe Gallant's lengthy predictions. I don't think we have since 1998 or so. (Hoping I didn't tempt fate with that one.) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Dec 12 15:34:27 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:34:27 -0600 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812121234y61948bb7l972f82e94b3dd83d@mail.gmail.com> Ive seen them on message boards as late as late last year.. and in states quite far flung from wherever he is. Paul On 12/12/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > > On Fri, 12/12/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the > > Illinois governor would say, "With all of the bleeping > > &$^# and @@#% over the bleeping > > econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound > > like in 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board > > ops feeding birds? > > > I predict that we will not see Joe Gallant's lengthy predictions. I > don't think we have since 1998 or so. > > (Hoping I didn't tempt fate with that one.) > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From atolz@comcast.net Fri Dec 12 16:28:00 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan and Deborah Tolz) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:28:00 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 Message-ID: <200812122129.mBCLTUX3002941@tsornin.bostonradio.org> If only it were possible. Problem is, the price would be their market cap (that's the $15 mm) PLUS their debt...quite a bit more than the $15 mm that the shares are valued at today. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subj: Re: Radio in 2009 Date: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:02 pm Size: 1K To: "Garrett Wollman" cc: Boston Radio Interest ; "Bill O'Neill" I've got a few bucks, I'll help chip in to buy Emmis if everyone else will too.. lol! Paul Walker On 12/12/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < > said: > > > With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the Illinois > > governor would say, "With all of the bleeping &$^# and @@#% over the > > bleeping econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound like in > > 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board ops feeding birds? > > > Well, nationally, I'm looking for a number of group owners to enter > bankruptcy. This will create opportunities for the better-managed > firms with access to private capital to acquire stations from > companies like Salem at attractive prices. CBS will still be in the > radio business, and will still be trying to flog off its > smaller-market properties. GE will still not be in the radio > business, but they might finally get a deal done with Ansin to buy > channel 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonneville acquire more > stations, perhaps getting back into New York if something comes on the > market at a decent price. (You could have all of Emmis for slightly > less than $15 million today. Act now!) > > -GAWollman > > --- message truncated --- From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 12 17:10:46 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:10:46 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I don't follow Salem's stock price, but the last time I saw it reported--a couple of weeks ago, IIRC--it was at something like $0.83/share. While that's low enough to raise the spectre of de-listing from whichever exchange the stock trades on, it was WAY higher than, say, Citadel, which I believe was trading in the mid teens at the time. I think it was also higher than Entercom, which was in the '40s, IMS. Now, Citadel could easily have five or more times as many shares outstanding as Salem does, so the ratio of share prices says nothing whatever about market cap. Still, I'd bet that Salem is a lot less likely to have to take shelter in Chapter XI than Citadel is. I suspect that Entercom is in better shape than Salem is, though. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Radio in 2009 > < said: > >> With all of the doom and gloom about the economy, or, as the >> Illinois >> governor would say, "With all of the bleeping &$^# and @@#% over >> the >> bleeping econo-bleeping-my," what will Boston radio look/sound like >> in >> 12 months? Fire sale prices? Minimum wage board ops feeding >> birds? > > Well, nationally, I'm looking for a number of group owners to enter > bankruptcy. This will create opportunities for the better-managed > firms with access to private capital to acquire stations from > companies like Salem at attractive prices. CBS will still be in the > radio business, and will still be trying to flog off its > smaller-market properties. GE will still not be in the radio > business, but they might finally get a deal done with Ansin to buy > channel 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonneville acquire more > stations, perhaps getting back into New York if something comes on > the > market at a decent price. (You could have all of Emmis for slightly > less than $15 million today. Act now!) > > -GAWollman > From markwats@comcast.net Fri Dec 12 19:03:59 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:03:59 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio References: Message-ID: <006c01c95cb6$4d169a60$0302a8c0@Mark> On my way home from work a short while ago (5:45-6:15), driving through Lowell & Dracut, scanning the dial found the following: WCRN (830) still off, was hearing WCCO for the first time in quite a while. WFEA (1370 Manchester) apparently off. WLLH had carrier and a slight hum, no programming. I tuned in WAMG 890 and it they may have been on the air, but they were barely audible under WLS. I don't remember the calls of 92.1 in Peterborough NH (WFNX simulcast) they had carrier but no programming. WFNQ was on the air. Just checking the TV, WMUR-HD is off the air, but WMUR analog is on. Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 12 19:33:54 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:33:54 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <006c01c95cb6$4d169a60$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <006c01c95cb6$4d169a60$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <98717968F92C4E23B89B2B6689FD1F03@DanBillingsPC> In Maine, JJ's Big Jab was off the air, as was his WEEI network stations. From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Dec 12 21:13:04 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:13:04 -0500 Subject: BZ HD Message-ID: <203DF586-296A-47C6-990A-31D8DA017CC2@mac.com> Tonight on channel 38, I saw WBZ news in HD, the first sighting of local HD from either 4 or 38 for me. How long has this been going on? It's not exactly a complete makeover as even in-studio shots like Jon Keller's comment and Rich Kirkland on traffic are SD. But graphics and the main studio are, finally, in HD. From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 00:37:59 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:37:59 -0500 Subject: Ice storm damage Chris Halls stations Message-ID: WFNX: no problems WPHX 1220 off air, no power anywhere in Southern Main WPHX-FM off air no power, WFNX and Southern Maine Communications purchased a large new generator which sits in storage due to conflict with the death of the site land owner. WFNX owns the building and the tower. The land is now in trust to her two children who are at war which makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like kids play. We are at a stalemate with a lease which expired just before the mother died, the son came over with a cease and desist order as the fuel tanks were being installed. WFEX started running on generator power Thursday afternoon around 3:30 PM and made it through until 4:10 Friday afternoon when the T-1 and the ISDN backup failed along with the Burk R/C dial up. WFEX has a third audio path which is an Inovonics broadcast quality rebroadcast tuner with a yagi on the ceiling inside the transmitter building which picks up 101.7 if all else fails. We can't get up the mountain to manually switch the BT switcher to put the tuner on the air. I suspect the Burk may have taken a hit as the carrier is still on. The entire Peterborough exchange 924 is out of service at this time. WLLH Lowell power came back around 3:00 PM Friday, WLLH Lawrence stabilized this afternoon but blew the breaker on the rear of the Harris DAX-1 but there seems to be no other damage however..... Neither stations had audio coming down the STL from Boston. Calling Boston revealed that the T-1 had failed. A trip or I should say an attempted trip up Wood Hill was out of the question, Holmes Rd. in Andover is blocked with fallen trees and power and Verizon lines down. Though there is generator power for WLLH in the Greater Media building both the T-1 and back up ISDN feed are dead. Verizon will not even go out unil the city clears the road and National Grid has restored power. With the mess I saw all over Andover tonight it will probably be out for some time. Chris From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 13 00:42:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:42:38 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com>, <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494304FE.3855.22965AD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Dec 2008 at 12:22, Sean Smyth wrote: > I predict that we will not see Joe Gallant's lengthy predictions. > I don't think we have since 1998 or so. > > (Hoping I didn't tempt fate with that one.) Oh, I don't know, I thought they were amusing. I wonder where he is now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 13 00:42:37 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:42:37 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com>, <18754.49336.856767.646890@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <494304FD.26490.2295FD1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Dec 2008 at 14:51, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Well, nationally, I'm looking for a number of group owners to enter > bankruptcy. This will create opportunities for the better-managed > firms with access to private capital to acquire stations from > companies like Salem at attractive prices. CBS will still be in the > radio business, and will still be trying to flog off its > smaller-market properties. GE will still not be in the radio > business, but they might finally get a deal done with Ansin to buy > channel 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonneville acquire more > stations, perhaps getting back into New York if something comes on the > market at a decent price. (You could have all of Emmis for slightly > less than $15 million today. Act now!) Hey, maybe stations will be cheap enough for Bob Bittner to buy a few more. ;-> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Dec 13 01:25:35 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:25:35 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <98717968F92C4E23B89B2B6689FD1F03@DanBillingsPC> References: <006c01c95cb6$4d169a60$0302a8c0@Mark> <98717968F92C4E23B89B2B6689FD1F03@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <620DA9E0-D8A4-49A6-9907-0E673BE143B5@charter.net> WVEI-AM in Worcester stayed on the air in the aftermath of the storm, but was running the raw feed from Fox Sports for most of the day-- without local spots or legal IDs as far as I could tell. When I checked back in with them around 6:30pm Friday night, they were back on the WEEI network. I guess their linkup with the mothership was down..... -Dave Tomm On Dec 12, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > In Maine, JJ's Big Jab was off the air, as was his WEEI network > stations. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 10:02:27 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:02:27 -0600 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal In-Reply-To: <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812130702j4f7161d8x1502c73ecd99b2d6@mail.gmail.com> It is well known that Glenn went ballistic when he found out what Howie was making. (and given the income Ordway generates you can't blame him) Entercom is losing their shirt on the Red Sox deal which they got suckered into when Greater Media dropped out worried that the Red Sox might take it in house. Ordway built WEEI from scratch (not Jason) and he can do it again somewhere else. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 10:57:59 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:57:59 -0500 Subject: BZ HD In-Reply-To: <203DF586-296A-47C6-990A-31D8DA017CC2@mac.com> Message-ID: <3634BB3008C24227A964A3E735FBFBEA@DHPP0DB1> > Tonight on channel 38, I saw WBZ news in HD, the first sighting of > local HD from either 4 or 38 for me. How long has this been going > on? It's not exactly a complete makeover as even in-studio shots > like Jon Keller's comment and Rich Kirkland on traffic are SD. But > graphics and the main studio are, finally, in HD. I believe 4 and 38 began broadcasting their news in HD on Thursday evening. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 11:30:15 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:30:15 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <006c01c95cb6$4d169a60$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <470FB4778B6746E5BCE9CDF640F34B74@DHPP0DB1> 830 WCRN is still off the air. 100.1 WWFX is now off and they weren't yesterday, so I'm guessing their generator must've run out of fuel. I'm now able to hear WBRS down here on the south shore, which is quite rare. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 11:36:09 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:36:09 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <470FB4778B6746E5BCE9CDF640F34B74@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <92F64B23EC344724AB8048CAC8CE637B@DHPP0DB1> > 830 WCRN is still off the air. And of course just a minute after I posted that, WCRN finally returned to the air. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paul@derrynh.net Sat Dec 13 11:48:43 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:48:43 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio Message-ID: <15485568.380891229186923198.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> WDER (1320) Derry NH and WTPL (107.7) Hillsboro NH are off the air, and have been since Thurs Night/Early Fri AM... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH >830 WCRN is still off the air. > >100.1 WWFX is now off and they weren't yesterday, so I'm guessing their >generator must've run out of fuel. I'm now able to hear WBRS down here on >the south shore, which is quite rare. > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 13:39:22 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:39:22 -0500 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> For the life of me I can't understand why Entercom gives money makers >> like Glenn and Howie Carr such a hard time yet reups Tom Finneran without >> provication or question. << Well, it depends on the dollar figures. For all we know, Finneran is not getting a raise, or even took a cut.......but the odds are pretty good that Orday wants mucho dollars. Money will slow down the process any time.... >>The > Herald reported yesterday that they want to go after Eagan > & Braudie when their contract with WTKK expires in a > year. Keep up the dumb decisions Why would it be dumb to make an offer to Egan and Braude? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 13:44:27 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:44:27 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com>, <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <494304FE.3855.22965AD@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45BB4695EBBE4DA595668E6FF0CAF20D@MainXPPro> > On 12 Dec 2008 at 12:22, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> I predict that we will not see Joe Gallant's lengthy predictions. >> I don't think we have since 1998 or so. >> >> (Hoping I didn't tempt fate with that one.) > > Oh, I don't know, I thought they were amusing. > > I wonder where he is now. On a tirade against HD Radio on usenet. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 13:51:56 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:51:56 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio References: <15485568.380891229186923198.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <004a01c95d53$e0413b90$0302a8c0@Mark> WCCM (1110 Salem NH) is off the air. WFEA is back. WEIM is back, but at reduced power, as it's barely audible in Lowell. And WMUR-HD is still off the air. Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 13 14:54:08 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:54:08 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio Message-ID: <20081213195408.39758BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: "Paul Hopfgarten" , boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org, jjlehmann@comcast.net >Subject: Re: Ice Storm + Radio >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:51:56 -0500 >WCCM (1110 Salem NH) is off the air. WFEA is back. >Mark Watson While WCCM-AM is off-the-air, I've been getting very good reception of WBNW-AM 1120 in Conkuhd, MA. I mentioned earlier in the week that the WUNR-AM 1600 signal is registering a higher figure on my radio that displays relative signal strength, enough seemingly to squelch WHMP in East Longmeadow at midday. WUNR is still settling at the same reading, but at noon today (Saturday) I could clearly hear a time tone and the CBS News sounder at noon, and WHMP carries CBS news. Skywave can happen daytimes in December, and just like at night, it can fade out. That must be the reason WUNR sounded so clear on Tuesday. I've tried picking up WUNR after sunset, but 1600 turns into a goulash of WWRL (the Alan Colmes show), Fox Sports (I don't know which station) and some kind of music that I don't believe they play on WUNR. Sunday, I'll be in the Back Bay for an all-Beethoven concert at the Gardner Museum (December 16th is the Big Guy's birthday according to Charles Schulz) and I plan to check out WUNR's penetration into downtown; even if I can't understand what they're saying, I can judge the quality of signal. It would help if like Radio Rumba and WNNW they would run English-language PSA's. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Dec 13 19:18:34 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:18:34 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <45BB4695EBBE4DA595668E6FF0CAF20D@MainXPPro> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <494304FE.3855.22965AD@joe.attorneyross.com> <45BB4695EBBE4DA595668E6FF0CAF20D@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com> At 01:44 PM 12/13/2008, Don A wrote: >On a tirade against HD Radio on usenet. It's been years since I've read any usenet newsgroups. Most ISPs don't offer them anymore, and there's so much spam, trolls & flame wars that the few legitimate posts get lost in the shuffle. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Dec 13 22:11:43 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:11:43 -0500 Subject: USENET in 2009 In-Reply-To: <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <494304FE.3855.22965AD@joe.attorneyross.com> <45BB4695EBBE4DA595668E6FF0CAF20D@MainXPPro> <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <18756.31087.591039.364722@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's been years since I've read any usenet newsgroups. Most ISPs > don't offer them anymore, and there's so much spam, trolls & flame > wars that the few legitimate posts get lost in the shuffle. There's no need to get USENET from your ISP. There are many NSPs (news service providers) which provide high-quality USENET access for very small fees (a few are entirely free of charge). But I don't know of any broadcasting-oriented newsgroups beyond rec.radio.broadcasting, which died with its moderator, Bill Pfeiffer (who unfortunately didn't have a rich mama to provide a legacy). There are numerous quite successful newsgroups (I read several regularly). A good NSP will have reasonably effective spam filters, and the trolls can easily be filtered with a good newsreader. Unfortunately, newsreader technology has really gone backwards over the past several years; the newsreader I use, trn, remains a great improvement on its successors. -GAWollman From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Dec 13 19:47:39 2008 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:47:39 -0500 Subject: Radio in 2009 In-Reply-To: <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com> <402346.44478.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <494304FE.3855.22965AD@joe.attorneyross.com> <45BB4695EBBE4DA595668E6FF0CAF20D@MainXPPro> <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081213194435.03989e90@plymouthcolony.net> At 07:18 PM 12/13/2008, Steve Ordinetz wrote: >It's been years since I've read any usenet newsgroups. I read a couple of dozen. >Most ISPs don't offer them anymore That's one reason why I subscribe to a premium newsgroup server. >and there's so much spam, trolls & flame wars that the few >legitimate posts get lost in the shuffle. Almost every day I plonk a few posters and threads to keep things civilized. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to find high quality stock photos and images. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnChEDqeweA4a90c9JHDCFSoMt9XDpneAAkWc1093wkJo/ From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 13 22:29:14 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:29:14 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio References: <20081213195408.39758BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7C8B219FAF0F4E02BEA13F2A5B2F5E02@SatU205S5044> Isn't the 1600 station in the CT Valley WH_N_P? I think it's //WHMP. As for Rumba, even a lot of the commercials are in EE. Re-recording those puppies in other languages is expensive--especially when you consider that most Hispanics in this area can speak enough English to get by. If WBNW is coming in better than you are used to during the day in Methuen, it might be running its night pattern by day. WBNW is one of those AMs that, even though its night power is lower than its day power, is not supposed to run its night pattern by day OR its day pattern by night. The day pattern has a VERY deep null to the northeast to protect first-adjacent WCCM 1110. Since the night pattern has no such null, the station is supposed to use both of its patterns at the appropriate times. In the past, WBNW has been a flagrant violator, but usually by running its day pattern at night. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Mark Watson" ; "Paul Hopfgarten" ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Ice Storm + Radio >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: "Paul Hopfgarten" , boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org, >jjlehmann@comcast.net >Subject: Re: Ice Storm + Radio >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:51:56 -0500 >WCCM (1110 Salem NH) is off the air. WFEA is back. >Mark Watson While WCCM-AM is off-the-air, I've been getting very good reception of WBNW-AM 1120 in Conkuhd, MA. I mentioned earlier in the week that the WUNR-AM 1600 signal is registering a higher figure on my radio that displays relative signal strength, enough seemingly to squelch WHMP in East Longmeadow at midday. WUNR is still settling at the same reading, but at noon today (Saturday) I could clearly hear a time tone and the CBS News sounder at noon, and WHMP carries CBS news. Skywave can happen daytimes in December, and just like at night, it can fade out. That must be the reason WUNR sounded so clear on Tuesday. I've tried picking up WUNR after sunset, but 1600 turns into a goulash of WWRL (the Alan Colmes show), Fox Sports (I don't know which station) and some kind of music that I don't believe they play on WUNR. Sunday, I'll be in the Back Bay for an all-Beethoven concert at the Gardner Museum (December 16th is the Big Guy's birthday according to Charles Schulz) and I plan to check out WUNR's penetration into downtown; even if I can't understand what they're saying, I can judge the quality of signal. It would help if like Radio Rumba and WNNW they would run English-language PSA's. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 06:34:19 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:34:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Getting Eagan & Braudie isn't a dumb move. I was commenting on the overall decisions of Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe. That Sox deal has to be the worst in pro sports. ________________________________ From: Don A To: Maureen Carney ; Bob Nelson ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:39:22 PM Subject: Re: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal >> For the life of me I can't understand why Entercom gives money makers >> like Glenn and Howie Carr such a hard time yet reups Tom Finneran without >> provication or question. << Well, it depends on the dollar figures. For all we know, Finneran is not getting a raise, or even took a cut.......but the odds are pretty good that Orday wants mucho dollars. Money will slow down the process any time.... >>The > Herald reported yesterday that they want to go after Eagan > & Braudie when their contract with WTKK expires in a > year. Keep up the dumb decisions Why would it be dumb to make an offer to Egan and Braude? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 14 11:28:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:28:46 -0600 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal In-Reply-To: <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812140828v55d19ee3ma24d694d2d807141@mail.gmail.com> The WRKO/WEEI Sox deal is said to be between 14-16 million a season which would be second in baseball behind Atlanta. Great deal for the Sox. The number of unsold avails all season was staggering and I would guess Entercom doesn't even come close to breaking even. NESN was having the same problem in September in a tight pennant race. It was a graphic demonstration and how weak the ad nmarket is right now. On 12/14/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > Getting Eagan & Braudie isn't a dumb move. I was commenting on the overall > decisions of Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe. That Sox deal has to be the worst > in pro sports. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Don A > To: Maureen Carney ; Bob Nelson ; > Boston Radio Group > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:39:22 PM > Subject: Re: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal > > >>> For the life of me I can't understand why Entercom gives money makers >>> like Glenn and Howie Carr such a hard time yet reups Tom Finneran without >>> provication or question. << > > Well, it depends on the dollar figures. > > For all we know, Finneran is not getting a raise, or even took a > cut.......but the odds are pretty good that Orday wants mucho dollars. > > Money will slow down the process any time.... > >>>The >> Herald reported yesterday that they want to go after Eagan >> & Braudie when their contract with WTKK expires in a >> year. Keep up the dumb decisions > > Why would it be dumb to make an offer to Egan and Braude? > > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 13:45:35 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:45:35 -0500 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561324330398439798777FD121F5732A@MainXPPro> > Getting Eagan & Braudie isn't a dumb move. I was commenting on the overall > decisions of Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe. That Sox deal has to be the worst > in pro sports.<< Is it worse than WEEI losing and not having the Red Sox at all? That's the choice it appears they were faced with. From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 14 18:05:29 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:05:29 -0500 Subject: WJOE 700 MA up late Message-ID: <49459139.6060904@fybush.com> Thanks to a tip from Rick Shaftan on one of the DX lists, just logged WJOE 700 Athol MA - simulcasting sister station WXRV 92.5 Andover/Boston, with Traveling Wilburys into a WXRV legal ID ("Boston's Independent Radio, 92.5 the River") at 1803 EST...new logging here in Rochester, and putting up quite a fight against dominant WLW! s From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:24:48 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <561324330398439798777FD121F5732A@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <838112.93288.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It didn't have to be 10 years. The Sox played Entercom like a fiddle. CBS wasn't even in the mix, and Greater Media dropped out at a certain level. ESPN Boston has a bad signal so they wouldn't have been considered if they made a bid. The Sox taking the games in-house seems like a hollow threat, or at least one that's more of a long-term goal. While making money with the team right now there are other deals that Fenway Sports Group is involved with that also require much capital, time management and political goodwill. NESN was a pre-existing entity when current ownership took over the team. Since the chance of them buying WEEI was small, they would have to buy a station and flip formats. That would mean staffing a new station, and deciding how different an identity it would have from NESN and the Globe. The timeline was just too short for that the last time the contract came up, and economic conditions are not good for such a move right now. ________________________________ From: Don A To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:45:35 PM Subject: Re: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal > Getting Eagan & Braudie isn't a dumb move. I was commenting on the overall decisions of Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe. That Sox deal has to be the worst in pro sports.<< Is it worse than WEEI losing and not having the Red Sox at all? That's the choice it appears they were faced with. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 14 18:38:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:38:38 -0600 Subject: WEEI, Ordway try to work out deal In-Reply-To: <838112.93288.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20081212084735.8369B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <157488.41262.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <471697.24315.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <561324330398439798777FD121F5732A@MainXPPro> <838112.93288.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812141538n71b20e29x3d54cb442a5579a6@mail.gmail.com> Maureen might know for sure but the Yankees have an odd deal with WCBS. YES Network pays Sterling and Dame Edna and I am not sure if the Yankees just buy the time or if WCBS pays some sort of rights fee. In any event the Yankees have complete control of the broadcast. The Mets on the other hand are controlled by WFAN. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Sun Dec 14 19:43:23 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:43:23 -0500 Subject: WWKB Message-ID: WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not changed). Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music nonstop. From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 14 19:49:44 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:49:44 -0500 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> Jim Hall wrote: > WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not changed). > Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music > nonstop. > I don't think what you're hearing on 1520 is WWKB. It's semi-local to me here in Rochester and it's doing talk right now (1949 EST) - sounds like it might be paid programming, though. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 14 19:59:03 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:59:03 -0500 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4945ABD7.3080400@fybush.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Jim Hall wrote: >> WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not >> changed). >> Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music >> nonstop. > > I don't think what you're hearing on 1520 is WWKB. It's semi-local to me > here in Rochester and it's doing talk right now (1949 EST) - sounds like > it might be paid programming, though. Turns out we were BOTH right! The paid programming in question is something called "Rocken'it Radio" (http://www.rockenitradio.com/), which mixes music and talk for an hour every Sunday night. Not bad, actually...I might even tune in for the show next week now that I know it's there... s From dave@skywaves.net Sun Dec 14 20:13:30 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:13:30 -0500 Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> Message-ID: Hi, all- WTAG (580 Worcester) has been doing a fabulous job this weekend. They are live most of the day from their studio, which is on Asnebumskit Hill in Paxton, and has been barely accessible. They are airing whatever information comes in via cellphone and they have been announcing the phone number and encouraging text messaging to the number. They've been providing a steady hand, solid advice, and providing a lifeline to the communities hard hit by this disaster. This is local radio at its best in an emergency. "props" to WTAG and their staff! -Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC From aerie.ma@comcast.net Sun Dec 14 21:04:13 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:04:13 -0500 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: <4945ABD7.3080400@fybush.com> References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> <4945ABD7.3080400@fybush.com> Message-ID: Yah...that was it "Rocken'it Radio". I must confess I don't usually listen this early on Sunday, so it may not even have been a "new" program for WWKB. Thanks everyone. > I don't think what you're hearing on 1520 is WWKB. It's semi-local to me > here in Rochester and it's doing talk right now (1949 EST) - sounds like > it might be paid programming, though. Turns out we were BOTH right! The paid programming in question is something called "Rocken'it Radio" (http://www.rockenitradio.com/), which mixes music and talk for an hour every Sunday night. Not bad, actually...I might even tune in for the show next week now that I know it's there... s From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Dec 14 21:08:44 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:08:44 -0500 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081215020859.B4DF444C0BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:43 PM 12/14/2008, Jim Hall wrote: >WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not changed). >Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music >nonstop. KB does brokered (leased time) programs on the weekend, plus some best-of progressive talk shows from the previous week. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 14 20:59:32 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:59:32 -0500 Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <9D72FD5EA53D494788F06FC7602CF097@SatU205S5044> Which means props to Clear Channel. which as everybody here probably knows, has taken it on the chin repeatedly for lapses in the past in emergencies in other parts of the country. Now, does WTAG's performance herald a new leaf? Or is the company trying to atone for past problems elsewhere that it claims were incorrectly reported by competing media and then became urban legends that refused to die? Or is this the impact of the company's new private ownership, which had the reputation of not caring about radio except for the $$$$ it could bring in? Although nobody wishes for natural disasters, it is in radio's finest tradition to really turn to when they occur. Let's hope that WTAG's performance in this disaster is not simply an isolated incident and that America's largest broadcasting company continues to demonstrate that it understands the importance of public service in regional and local disasters whenever and wherever they occur. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm > Hi, all- > > WTAG (580 Worcester) has been doing a fabulous job this weekend. > > They are live most of the day from their studio, which is on > Asnebumskit Hill in Paxton, and has been barely accessible. They are > airing whatever information comes in via cellphone and they have > been announcing the phone number and encouraging text messaging to > the number. They've been providing a steady hand, solid advice, and > providing a lifeline to the communities hard hit by this disaster. > > This is local radio at its best in an emergency. > > "props" to WTAG and their staff! > > -Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 14 19:58:54 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:58:54 -0600 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812141658g39d547a1s87af99a765ae45af@mail.gmail.com> Any possibility this could be WCHE 1520 West Chester, PA on late? Paul On 12/14/08, Jim Hall wrote: > > WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not changed). > Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music > nonstop. > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 14 21:59:13 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:59:13 -0500 Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm In-Reply-To: <9D72FD5EA53D494788F06FC7602CF097@SatU205S5044> References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> <9D72FD5EA53D494788F06FC7602CF097@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4945C801.3090407@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Which means props to Clear Channel. which as everybody here probably > knows, has taken it on the chin repeatedly for lapses in the past in > emergencies in other parts of the country. Now, does WTAG's > performance herald a new leaf? Or is the company trying to atone for > past problems elsewhere that it claims were incorrectly reported by > competing media and then became urban legends that refused to die? Or > is this the impact of the company's new private ownership, which had > the reputation of not caring about radio except for the $$$$ it could > bring in? Or is it possible that the Minot affair really was both misreported and atypical? My local CC news-talk AM, WHAM (which, it should be noted, is my main competition in my WXXI role), has never failed to be there for the community in times of severe weather. It stayed on the air nonstop through the ice storm we experienced here in 1991 (which dwarfed the not-insubstantial present storm in MA/NH), and it's been there for every storm since. (It also never left the air during the 2003 blackout, as I recall.) CC (which, it should also be noted, is an employer of mine, by way of its being the parent company of Inside Radio, for which I edit The Radio Journal) has probably spent more than any other broadcast group over the last decade in bringing older AM sites up to modern engineering standards, installing backup transmitters and auxiliary towers, and even stationing several self-contained emergency stations (containing crank-up towers, frequency-agile transmitters and rudimentary studio equipment) in locations around the country so that its signals can get back on the air even if their facilities are completely destroyed. This predates both of the big disasters of the last decade, 9/11 and Katrina. On 9/11, the only World Trade Center-based FM station that stayed on the air was the one owned by CC, 103.5 WKTU, because CC had invested in an auxiliary site at 4 Times Square to keep its FMs on the air in case of disaster. (Since then, CC has also built a complete off-site studio/office facility at an "undisclosed location" so that it can stay on the air even if its Manhattan studios are unusable.) During Katrina, it was Entercom's WWL that got most of the attention for its emergency service, as well it should have - but the guys at WWL will be the first to tell you that they were able to stay on the air in large part because Clear Channel had an emergency facility available in Baton Rouge, complete with satellite uplinks to get programming back to whatever transmitters could stay on the air in New Orleans. The emergency simulcast that was heard over every working radio facility in New Orleans in the days after Katrina came from that CC studio plant in Baton Rouge. It was CC, largely in the person of the late John Paoli, who fought like hell against really nasty NIMBY opposition to make sure KFI in Los Angeles could be restored to its full signal after its tower collapsed. KFI's ratings didn't take a hit during the more than 3 years the station was operating from the 25 kW short tower that remained (and that tower was itself a sign of good emergency preparation!), but John and his bosses believed in the importance of a full regional signal from a tall tower. It wasn't cheap, but it got done, even as CC was going through the throes of privatization. They're far from perfect - no broadcaster is, and CC in particular has always had a great deal of autonomy from market to market - but at least in my experience, there's no "atoning" going on here...just one of the most competent engineering teams in the country continuing to do what it's long done well. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Dec 15 01:08:00 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:08:00 -0500 Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm In-Reply-To: <4945C801.3090407@fybush.com> References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> <9D72FD5EA53D494788F06FC7602CF097@SatU205S5044> <4945C801.3090407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20081215060816.DE19CC0B9@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Scott wrote-- > >During Katrina, it was Entercom's WWL that got most of the attention >for its emergency service, as well it should have - but the guys at >WWL will be the first to tell you that they were able to stay on the >air in large part because Clear Channel had an emergency facility >available in Baton Rouge, complete with satellite uplinks to get >programming back to whatever transmitters could stay on the air in >New Orleans. The emergency simulcast that was heard over every >working radio facility in New Orleans in the days after Katrina came >from that CC studio plant in Baton Rouge. I wrote a free-lance article about this, and the CC engineering staff did some amazing things to keep the stations on the air under utterly horrendous circumstances. I have my notes from that time, and what the engineers went through to keep the stations operating (and what the announcers did, working long shifts, getting the information the public desperately needed and putting it on the air, encouraging and comforting people) was so impressive that words do not adequately express it. I've been very critical of Lowry and Mark Mays on a number of occasions, but in this case, Scott is 100% correct -- Clear Channel's response to Katrina spared no expense and what was achieved was commendable. During Katrina, it really was a team effort on behalf of all the stations -- they put aside competition, worked together and shared all their facilities to serve the audience. And both CC and Entercom also flew in people from some of their other markets to offer their assistance. In those frightening days, as the storm's violence was unfolding, radio was a lifeline for many people, proving once again that live and local is what the public wants. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 15 01:15:00 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:15:00 -0500 Subject: USENET in 2009 In-Reply-To: <18756.31087.591039.364722@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4942BAF8.4020808@gmail.com>, <494450ee.0405be0a.21d3.6dee@mx.google.com>, <18756.31087.591039.364722@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4945AF94.29606.2BB2C38@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Dec 2008 at 22:11, Garrett Wollman wrote: > There's no need to get USENET from your ISP. There are many NSPs > (news service providers) which provide high-quality USENET access for > very small fees (a few are entirely free of charge). But I don't know > of any broadcasting-oriented newsgroups beyond rec.radio.broadcasting, > which died with its moderator, Bill Pfeiffer (who unfortunately didn't > have a rich mama to provide a legacy). Usenet groups can be accessed through Google Groups. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 14 19:55:53 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:55:53 -0600 Subject: WWKB In-Reply-To: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812141655o3ddd296dk8896601f83734ae3@mail.gmail.com> I've heard WWKB all the way out here before... pretty strong to, on my Sony SRF-59 walkman. Paul On 12/14/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > > Jim Hall wrote: > >> WWKB 1520 may have given up progressive talk (the website has not >> changed). >> Right now they are talking "Mix" and playing sort of 80's dance music >> nonstop. >> > > I don't think what you're hearing on 1520 is WWKB. It's semi-local to me > here in Rochester and it's doing talk right now (1949 EST) - sounds like it > might be paid programming, though. > > s > > From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 15 13:30:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:30:43 -0600 Subject: 30 Rock studio question Message-ID: <4fc429770812151030m7894ab17q2c3f3b6e10a63c6e@mail.gmail.com> Watching Sunday Night Football on NBC last night they were using the studio that looks out on the rink as usual. However the tree was on the other side of the rink and since the tree is directly in front of 30 Rock it makes me wonder where the studio is or how they pull off the illusion. It appears to be a window given the foscus aspect on some shots so it isn't rear screen as far as I can tell. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 15 15:32:20 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:32:20 -0500 Subject: 30 Rock studio question In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812151030m7894ab17q2c3f3b6e10a63c6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770812151030m7894ab17q2c3f3b6e10a63c6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18758.48852.462525.362247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Watching Sunday Night Football on NBC last night they were using the > studio that looks out on the rink as usual. However the tree was on > the other side of the rink and since the tree is directly in front of > 30 Rock it makes me wonder where the studio is So that would be 1A (in 10 Rock) then. Same studio as "Today". -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 15 15:39:16 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:39:16 -0500 Subject: 30 Rock studio question In-Reply-To: <18758.48852.462525.362247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770812151030m7894ab17q2c3f3b6e10a63c6e@mail.gmail.com> <18758.48852.462525.362247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4946C074.5040002@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Watching Sunday Night Football on NBC last night they were using the >> studio that looks out on the rink as usual. However the tree was on >> the other side of the rink and since the tree is directly in front of >> 30 Rock it makes me wonder where the studio is > > So that would be 1A (in 10 Rock) then. Same studio as "Today". I was under the impression the football shows were coming out of 3K, and that the "window" is really a big flatscreen display (much like the "windows" in 3A behind the MSNBC anchors) - but the extent of my TV football consumption over the weekend consisted of watching the Bills blow it against the Jets on CBS, so I can't say for certain what the Peacock was up to... s From lglavin@mail.com Mon Dec 15 17:12:30 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:12:30 -0500 Subject: WSJ Offers Last Word On Xmas Music Torture Message-ID: <20081215221233.E72A51BF2D6@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> The Wall Street Journal has the last word on Xmas Music as a form of torture: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122912607004203123.html (The Bruckner referred to in the article is Austrian composer Anton Bruckner who lived from 1824 through 1896, a very long life for the time, and whose music was an admixture of Wagner, Schubert and Beethoven... his symphonies are very L-O-N-G.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Dec 15 17:06:09 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:06:09 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio Message-ID: <20081215220609.2F95347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Mark Watson" , "Paul Hopfgarten" , boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org, "Jeff Lehmann" >Subject: Re: Ice Storm + Radio >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:29:14 -0500 >Isn't the 1600 station in the CT Valley WH_N_P? I think it's //WHMP. >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) Correctimundo: AM 1600 in E. Longmeadow is officially WHNP, but as a repeater of WHMP, you almost never hear those call-letters, sort of like the WGIR stations in NH. My test of WUNR-AM while in Downtown Boston and the Back Bay at almost exactly middday (when the Sun ceases rising and begins to descend, about 11:40 right now) leads me to believe they're running just 5,000 watts. Shortly after the residents of Oak Hill Pahk lost their case against the radio stations with CP's to improve their signals in that neighborhood, I tested WUNR's signal in daylight (during EDST) and got the feel of how well it was received in DT Boston and BB. It's helpful to remember there are no utility poles and all wiring and cables are underground. Thus the major interference sources are buildings, some residential and others commercial, like skyscrapers. WUNR seemed to have the same characteristics of a station from nearby, but not primarily a Boston AM station...similar to reception of Lowell's WCAP-AM in downtown Lawrence. The reading for WUNR at midday today (Monday) is the same as it has been for about a week. BTW, as of Monday afternoon, WCCM-AM 1110 Salem, NH and WDER-AM 1320 Derry, NH were still off the air. Something weird: when I view WENH-TV channel 11 on analog, there's a never- changing slide promoting a Victor Borge set of CD's...when I connect the digital starter box I use to view MSNBC, channel "11" is back to normal! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dave@skywaves.net Mon Dec 15 23:28:57 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:28:57 -0500 Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm References: <4945A9A8.7080103@fybush.com> <9D72FD5EA53D494788F06FC7602CF097@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: CC takes it on the chin for a lot of stuff, but I think they do a far better job than they are given credit for in the area of emergency preparedness and reaction. Scott and Donna have covered the Katrina and 9/11 responses well, so I won't go into that. I was in Austin for NAB Radio shortly after Hurricane Ike destroyed much of the Galveston area. A big portion of the convention center was taken up with refugee aid. I ran into Troy Langham from CC Headquarters, who I know through AFCCE. He had driven down from Tulsa in a truck equipped with a generator and a spare transmitter, and he was actively looking for an off-air station he could loan this equipment to. In the case of WTAG, as in any organization, individual initiative counts for a great deal. The WTAG guys were able to go on the air because they had working emergency generators at both the studio and the transmitter, and they therefore had an available venue. They _went_ on the air because they felt the need. 38 years ago, I was a young station employee when a severe winter storm hit the Albany area on a weekend around Christmas. I think it was the weekend between Christmas and New Year's, but it really doesn't matter. What did matter was that we got over 3' of snow overnight and some places got a lot more. WGY was the Big Kahuna in the market, and my employer, WOKO (1460) was a 5kW wannabe. In those days NBC provided the Monitor program on weekends, and WGY apparently had no announcing staff in the building. I lived not far from the transmitter, and I managed to get there in my Dad's VW. The phone was ringing, and I did just what the WTAG guys were doing the part few days. I passed along info about who needed heating oil, where the power was on or off, who needed medical attention, who had a 4WD (rare in those days) and could assist in getting people to shelters, and so on. Meanwhile, WGY was on the network, oblivious to the emergency. WOKO got several awards for that. Nobody told me I had to do it, I just did it. Ironically, WGY is now a part of the CC empire, and in a similar emergency I believe that today they would respond much more like WTAG has been doing. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Dave Doherty" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: WTAG and Ice Storm > > Which means props to Clear Channel. which as everybody here probably > knows, has taken it on the chin repeatedly for lapses in the past in > emergencies in other parts of the country. Now, does WTAG's > performance herald a new leaf? Or is the company trying to atone for > past problems elsewhere that it claims were incorrectly reported by > competing media and then became urban legends that refused to die? Or > is this the impact of the company's new private ownership, which had > the reputation of not caring about radio except for the $$$$ it could > bring in? Although nobody wishes for natural disasters, it is in > radio's finest tradition to really turn to when they occur. Let's hope > that WTAG's performance in this disaster is not simply an isolated > incident and that America's largest broadcasting company continues to > demonstrate that it understands the importance of public service in > regional and local disasters whenever and wherever they occur. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:13 PM > Subject: WTAG and Ice Storm > > >> Hi, all- >> >> WTAG (580 Worcester) has been doing a fabulous job this weekend. >> >> They are live most of the day from their studio, which is on >> Asnebumskit Hill in Paxton, and has been barely accessible. They are >> airing whatever information comes in via cellphone and they have >> been announcing the phone number and encouraging text messaging to >> the number. They've been providing a steady hand, solid advice, and >> providing a lifeline to the communities hard hit by this disaster. >> >> This is local radio at its best in an emergency. >> >> "props" to WTAG and their staff! >> >> -Dave Doherty >> Skywaves Consulting LLC >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 16 00:45:03 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:45:03 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <20081215220609.2F95347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081215220609.2F95347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4946FA0F.8507.57485C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Dec 2008 at 17:06, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Something weird: when I view WENH-TV channel 11 on analog, there's a > never- changing slide promoting a Victor Borge set of CD's...when I > connect the digital starter box I use to view MSNBC, channel "11" is > back to normal! How do you get MSNBC on digital? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 16 14:24:15 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:24:15 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio Message-ID: <20081216192415.7E1B41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: Ice Storm + Radio >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:45:03 -0500 >On 15 Dec 2008 at 17:06, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Something weird: when I view WENH-TV channel 11 on analog, there's a > never- changing slide promoting a Victor Borge set of CD's...when I > connect the digital starter box I use to view MSNBC, channel "11" is > back to normal! >How do you get MSNBC on digital? When Comcast moved MSNBC to the digital tier, they offered subscribers who didn't want to go all the way (ahem) something called a digital starter box. It got me MSNBC, C-Span2, channels I view plus a few I don't, free for one year. Its other advantage is channel 1, TV on demand. Until last week, it got me channel 2's news-oriented programs. That option has been absent for the last few days. I may have to call Comcast if it doesn't come back. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 16 14:45:31 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:45:31 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far Message-ID: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> The folks at Costa-Eagle must be fuming. WCCM-AM 1110 is still off-the-air. Their other outlets: WNNW-AM 800 and WCEC-AM 1490 are broadcasting as normal. Now here's the deal...WCCM is the only directional station out of the three, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have to run a few tests before they can resume broadcasting (that may be why WEIM-1280 in Fitchburg appears to be running at lower power and WFGL-AM 960 is nowhere to be found.) The transmitter with assorted phasing equipment has been sitting there for five days or so in the dark and cold. So I thought I'd go out to the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt road perpendicular to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a truck blocking the street and it wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it was for workers cleaning up the area. One of them said, yes, all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power back, but Public Service of NH was not yet restoring power to BUSINESSES along the street; oops, the ONLY business for a couple of miles IS the WCCM transmitter. So that station may be off at least until tomorrow. I also noticed that WDER-AM 1320 in Derry is still off-the-air. Its studio and transmitter site is near downtown though. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Dec 16 15:04:19 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:04:19 EST Subject: 30 Rock studio question Message-ID: "Watching Sunday Night Football on NBC last night they were using the studio that looks out on the rink as usual. However the tree was on the other side of the rink and since the tree is directly in front of 30 Rock it makes me wonder where the studio is or how they pull off the illusion. It appears to be a window given the foscus aspect on some shots so it isn't rear screen as far as I can tell." I don't usually watch NBC Sports so I didn't see it but usually it is done in 3A. Keep in mind though that they have smaller studios on the Mezz level that overlook the rink. One is above the NBC Store and there is one on the other side above whatever shop is below. Speaking of 30 Rock a friend sent me a website for the Late Howard Reig. There are some funny clips in it. I never knew he did so much there. When I arrived at NBC all announcers did was live in the booth. From the odors that were emitted from it you would swear they did live in it. Bill Wendall used to smoke cigars in there. _http://howardreig.com/_ (http://howardreig.com/) Mike Hemeon **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Dec 16 15:16:09 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:16:09 -0600 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812161216k75336250mb71811ab034057d2@mail.gmail.com> It's entirely possible WEIM 1280 is running non directional at like 500 Watts or something.. which would account for the weaker signal. If there's power to the WFGL site, I can't imagine why they're not back.. they have a local contract engineer. I personally have never worked at a directional station where I was involved in any repair/engineering, but Im not sure what tests they' d have to run before turning a directional station back no that a non directional station wouldn't have to check. Paul Walker On 12/16/08, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > The folks at Costa-Eagle must be fuming. WCCM-AM 1110 is still > off-the-air. Their > other outlets: WNNW-AM 800 and WCEC-AM 1490 are broadcasting as > normal. Now here's > the deal...WCCM is the only directional station out of the three, so I > wouldn't > be surprised if they have to run a few tests before they can resume > broadcasting > (that may be why WEIM-1280 in Fitchburg appears to be running at lower > power and > WFGL-AM 960 is nowhere to be found.) The transmitter with assorted phasing > equipment > has been sitting there for five days or so in the dark and cold. So I > thought > I'd go out to the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt road > perpendicular > to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a truck blocking the street and > it > wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it was for workers cleaning up the area. One of > them said, yes, all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power back, but > Public > Service of NH was not yet restoring power to BUSINESSES along the street; > oops, the ONLY business for a couple of miles IS the WCCM transmitter. So > that station may be off at least until tomorrow. I also noticed that > WDER-AM 1320 > in Derry is still off-the-air. Its studio and transmitter site is near > downtown though. > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 16 15:35:58 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:35:58 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003f01c95fbd$edee12b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:46 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: So Near And Yet So Far > > The folks at Costa-Eagle must be fuming. WCCM-AM 1110 is > still off-the-air. > So I thought I'd go out to > the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt road > perpendicular to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a > truck blocking the street and it wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it > was for workers cleaning up the area. One of them said, yes, > all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power back, but > Public Service of NH was not yet restoring power to > BUSINESSES along the street; oops, the ONLY business for a > couple of miles IS the WCCM transmitter. Being that many homes in Salem (including mine!) get their water from private wells which require electricity to operate, National Grid is correct in restoring them first. And they just may have separate crews for business accounts. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Dec 16 15:48:16 2008 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:48:16 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812161216k75336250mb71811ab034057d2@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80812161216k75336250mb71811ab034057d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081216154208.039096c0@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:16 PM 12/16/2008, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >I personally have never worked at a directional station where I was involved >in any repair/engineering, but Im not sure what tests they'd have to run >before turning a directional station back no that a non >directional station wouldn't have to check. I've been CE at a number of DAs over the last 30 years. As long as the common point current, antenna monitor readings and monitor point readings are normal, one would assume that the array is operating properly and no additional tests would be needed. If any of those parameters were at variance, though, additional work would be needed. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Shop now for huge discounts on quality surveillance cameras. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1uzR1pn6tQxnwV4jJpgfIus6PSc6CrSA3Id4pNeUsQVCU2a/ From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 17 01:42:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:42:38 -0500 Subject: Ice Storm + Radio In-Reply-To: <20081216192415.7E1B41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081216192415.7E1B41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4948590E.3547.6F2F22@joe.attorneyross.com> On 16 Dec 2008 at 14:24, Laurence Glavin wrote: > When Comcast moved MSNBC to the digital tier, they offered subscribers > who didn't want to go all the way (ahem) something called a digital > starter box. It got me MSNBC, C-Span2, channels I view plus a few I > don't, free for one year. Its other advantage is channel 1, TV on > demand. Until last week, it got me channel 2's news-oriented > programs. That option has been absent for the last few days. I may > have to call Comcast if it doesn't come back. That's strange. In Brookline, Comcast has not taken MSNBC off the analog channels. Since MSNBC is on my "favorites" list, at some point, when the put MSNBC on the digital tier, that one also turned up on my "favorites" list, but I was able to watch it. A week or so later, it disappeared. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Dec 17 09:09:27 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:09:27 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far References: <20081216194531.42AEE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: If there was no damage (for example: tower down, part of a tower down, ATU damaged or destroyed) I don't think there is any requirement to perform proofs of performance before returning to the air after an outage of a few days or even a few months. Some directional stations have been known to do proofs before returning to the air after an extended dark period, however. In 1987, what today is WWZN (I can't remember which of its many calls the station had 21+ years ago) did proofs before coming back on after months of darkness, but I thought the proofs were necessary in that case because the station returned after being bought out of its previous owner's bankruptcy and, no doubt, the purchase agreement included a clause stating that the terms of sale could be renegotiated if the station was not operating within its licensed parameters. That there could have been a problem was a definite possibility because the Tx site's landlord had partially destroyed the ground system during the installation of lighting standards in the parking lot, which was built over a portion of the ground system. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: So Near And Yet So Far The folks at Costa-Eagle must be fuming. WCCM-AM 1110 is still off-the-air. Their other outlets: WNNW-AM 800 and WCEC-AM 1490 are broadcasting as normal. Now here's the deal...WCCM is the only directional station out of the three, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have to run a few tests before they can resume broadcasting (that may be why WEIM-1280 in Fitchburg appears to be running at lower power and WFGL-AM 960 is nowhere to be found.) The transmitter with assorted phasing equipment has been sitting there for five days or so in the dark and cold. So I thought I'd go out to the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt road perpendicular to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a truck blocking the street and it wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it was for workers cleaning up the area. One of them said, yes, all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power back, but Public Service of NH was not yet restoring power to BUSINESSES along the street; oops, the ONLY business for a couple of miles IS the WCCM transmitter. So that station may be off at least until tomorrow. I also noticed that WDER-AM 1320 in Derry is still off-the-air. Its studio and transmitter site is near downtown though. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 17 15:30:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:30:45 -0600 Subject: WFXT analog still lives Message-ID: <4fc429770812171230q4b7359a3sc34e369853e88549@mail.gmail.com> Prompted by a story in the Globe this morning I checked the status of WFXT analog this morning from Cambridge and it is there but very, very weak. The digital signal is also very hard to lock into but this is more because they are at very low power on 31 as they share the same digital signal allocation with WTIC-TV in Hartford which is only 90 miles away. (how on earth did that happen?) The GM of Channel 25 was quoted as saying Boston is 95 percent satellite or cable and there is no sense ordering a new antenna as it would not arrive in time. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Dec 18 06:01:14 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:01:14 EST Subject: So Near And Yet So Far Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: ""So I thought I'd go out to the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt road perpendicular to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a truck blocking the street and it wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it was for workers cleaning up the area. One of them said, yes, all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power back, but Public Service of NH was not yet restoring power to BUSINESSES along the street; oops, the ONLY business for a couple of miles IS the WCCM transmitter."" Why don't radio station's have back up power anymore? I notice this especially with AM stations. Last week we had a sub-station blow up in Neptune, NJ and WHTG 1410 and WBUD 1310 were off the air during the outage. Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 18 06:41:43 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:41:43 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far References: Message-ID: Don't you mean WBUD 1260? There is no 1310 in the Trenton area, although there are several 1310's in NJ (Asbury Park, Camden, Parsippany--IIRC). There is a 1300 in Trenton (used to be WTNJ, but that was a long time ago). The reason I know this is that the Trenton 1300 used to be on 1310 MANY decades ago, and it was part of a three-way time-share on 1310 with Asbury Park and Camden. The FCC broke up that time-share in the '60s--or maybe even the '50s--by turning the Asbury Park and Camden stations into what were then called Class IV AMs on a Class III channel and moved the Trenton station to 1300 as a 250W daytimer, which must have been a very rare--maybe unique--Class IID AM on a Class III channel. (Class IIDs could run 250W; Class IIIDs were required to run at least 500W; there were no Class IV daytimers.) With the help of directional antennas, Asbury Park and Trenton became true Class IIIs (now Class Bs), but Camden remained a Class IV until all Class IV AMs were reclassified as Class Cs. A bit of NJ radio history there, long forgotten by almost everyone except probably Scott Fybush and me. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: Re: So Near And Yet So Far > In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > > ""So I thought > I'd go out to the transmitter site, which is at the end of a dirt > road > perpendicular > to the main drag, Pelham Road. There was a truck blocking the > street and it > wasn't from Costa-Eagle; it was for workers cleaning up the area. > One of > them said, yes, all the RESIDENCES in the area got their power > back, but > Public > Service of NH was not yet restoring power to BUSINESSES along the > street; > oops, the ONLY business for a couple of miles IS the WCCM > transmitter."" > > Why don't radio station's have back up power anymore? I notice this > especially with AM stations. Last week we had a sub-station blow up > in Neptune, NJ > and WHTG 1410 and WBUD 1310 were off the air during the outage. > > Mike > > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Dec 18 07:06:46 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:46 EST Subject: So Near And Yet So Far Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2008 6:41:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: ""Don't you mean WBUD 1260? There is no 1310 in the Trenton area, although there are several 1310's in NJ (Asbury Park, Camden, Parsippany--IIRC). There is a 1300 in Trenton (used to be WTNJ, but that was a long time ago). The reason I know this is that the Trenton 1300 used to be on 1310 MANY decades ago, and it was part of a three-way time-share on 1310 with Asbury Park and Camden. The FCC broke up that time-share in the '60s--or maybe even the '50s--by turning the Asbury Park and Camden stations into what were then called Class IV AMs on a Class III channel and moved the Trenton station to 1300 as a 250W daytimer, which must have been a very rare--maybe unique--Class IID AM on a Class III channel. (Class IIDs could run 250W; Class IIIDs were required to run at least 500W; there were no Class IV daytimers.) With the help of directional antennas, Asbury Park and Trenton became true Class IIIs (now Class Bs), but Camden remained a Class IV until all Class IV AMs were reclassified as Class Cs. A bit of NJ radio history there, long forgotten by almost everyone except probably Scott Fybush and me."" The station on 1310 I was talking about was the station that is licensed to AP WBUD. The call used to be in Trenton but moved it to WADB, actually in Neptune next to Asbury Park, when Millenium sold the Trenton station. WADB used to be on the Asbury Park boardwalk as WCAP (City of ASbury Park" in the late 20's and early 30's. This station had a colorful past as well and also was part of a time share. _http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/piratejim/njamhistory8.html_ (http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/piratejim/njamhistory8.html) Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From sid@wrko.com Thu Dec 18 08:07:57 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:07:57 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6603E74@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Why don't radio station's have back up power anymore? I notice this especially with AM stations. Last week we had a sub-station blow up in Neptune, NJ and WHTG 1410 and WBUD 1310 were off the air during the outage.<< It's a substantial expense, both capital (purchase and installation) and operating (ongoing maintenance, periodic testing under load, needed repairs and fuel). Major stations pay for such things with a few commercials, but stations with small budgets often decide it's not worth the cost vs. the amount of time they're typically off the air due to power outages. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 18 10:34:38 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:34:38 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494A6D8E.6050104@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Don't you mean WBUD 1260? There is no 1310 in the Trenton area, > although there are several 1310's in NJ (Asbury Park, Camden, > Parsippany--IIRC). WBUD 1260 was recently sold to Catholic broadcasters and is now WFJS; the WBUD calls are being parked on the Asbury Park 1310, ex-WJLK and more recently WADB (another set of parked calls, whose heritage was on the 95.9 at the shore that's now WRAT.) s From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Dec 18 12:48:32 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:48:32 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? Message-ID: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Somebody sent me an e-mail asking about a 1950s-era TV show she vaguely recalls from her childhood. She remembers that it was on WBZ-TV, "... either before, during or after the Captain Kangaroo show. The few things I remember about this show was it started out with a small group of boys (3 -4) that paddle off in a rubber raft and they found a cave and entered it and ended up following an adventure that just seemed to continue on. I am assuming that they were trying to find there way back to the real world, but each adventure brought them further away and they would see dinosaurs and large flying birds and such..." Rings no bells with me at all. Anybody know what show she is recalling? From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 18 13:03:59 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:03:59 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01c9613b$057d6b00$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of TVNETDUDE@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:01 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: So Near And Yet So Far > > In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:02:43 PM Eastern Standard > Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > > > Why don't radio station's have back up power anymore? Did they ever, especially the small ones? I suspect the answer is money. Not only do generators cost money to buy and install, they also need to be maintained, and tested regularly, all of which costs money. And a lot of the smaller stations do not have full-time engineering staffs, meaning this all would need to be paid for on an hourly basis. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 13:17:59 2008 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:17:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <581149.78275.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like "Land Of The Lost", but I believe that was the 70s. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Donna Halper wrote: > From: Donna Halper > Subject: Anybody know this TV show? > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:48 PM > Somebody sent me an e-mail asking about a 1950s-era TV show > she vaguely recalls from her childhood. She remembers that > it was on WBZ-TV, "... either before, during or after > the Captain Kangaroo show. The few things I remember about > this show was it started out with a small group of boys (3 > -4) that paddle off in a rubber raft and they found a cave > and entered it and ended up following an adventure that just > seemed to continue on. I am assuming that they were trying > to find there way back to the real world, but each adventure > brought them further away and they would see dinosaurs and > large flying birds and such..." > > Rings no bells with me at all. Anybody know what show she > is recalling? From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Dec 18 13:27:37 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:27:37 -0600 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812181027v68b206fbpeee34ee660308117@mail.gmail.com> Land Of The Lost in the 70s fits that and it is possible she is thinking of an old Hardy Boys collection of episodes. On 12/18/08, Donna Halper wrote: > Somebody sent me an e-mail asking about a 1950s-era TV show she > vaguely recalls from her childhood. She remembers that it was on > WBZ-TV, "... either before, during or after the Captain Kangaroo > show. The few things I remember about this show was it started out > with a small group of boys (3 -4) that paddle off in a rubber raft > and they found a cave and entered it and ended up following an > adventure that just seemed to continue on. I am assuming that they > were trying to find there way back to the real world, but each > adventure brought them further away and they would see dinosaurs and > large flying birds and such..." > > Rings no bells with me at all. Anybody know what show she is recalling? > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Dec 18 14:06:00 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:06:00 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? Message-ID: <20081218190600.1FD0B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Land of the Lost, if that's it, was a Sid and Marty Krofft production I believe. Barry Scott uses part of the theme as a bumper: "Living in the land... of the lost..." and then someone sings "45s" after that. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Thu Dec 18 14:46:26 2008 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:46:26 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <494AA892.5030902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> On 12/18/08 12:48 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Somebody sent me an e-mail asking about a 1950s-era TV show she > vaguely recalls from her childhood. She remembers that it was on > WBZ-TV, "... either before, during or after the Captain Kangaroo > show. The few things I remember about this show was it started out > with a small group of boys (3 -4) that paddle off in a rubber raft and > they found a cave and entered it and ended up following an adventure > that just seemed to continue on. I am assuming that they were trying > to find there way back to the real world, but each adventure brought > them further away and they would see dinosaurs and large flying birds > and such..." > > Rings no bells with me at all. Anybody know what show she is recalling? > I remember the show, but it wasn't on WBZ. NBC ran Today w/Dave Garroway. We did not watch Capt Kangaroo; that was on CBS - then Ch. 5. IIRC, It was part of a Kiddie block that WNAC (ch.7) ran on weekday mornings ca. 1960-62. It led off @ 7 with the Three Stooges. Tony ******************************************** Tony Abruzzese Network Administrator Department of Biochemistry BU School of Medicine v: 617-638-5092 ******************************************** From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 18 14:59:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:31 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? References: <20081218190600.1FD0B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <78B83157CCC8424FAC8E6608ED67EDB9@SatU205S5044> I didn't have access to TV in that era, so I don't recall anything about a TV show named Land of the Lost, but I do remember (or think I remember) a radio program of that name. IIRC, it was on network radio (don't remember which network) as part of a kids strip of four or five half-hour shows on Saturday mornings in the mid-late '40s. If the elements of the TV program described in Donna's posting jibed better with the radio program that I remember, I'd have greater confidence that the radio show was the progenitor of the TV show that Donna described. IIRC, the entirely fictional Land of the Lost radio show was set under the ocean. The two stars (a boy and a girl) had many adventures and misadventures each week while guided through the undersea kingdom by a talking fish. There were copious running gags based on puns. The one I remember was that the undersea communications system was based on seashells, so the instrument you talked into was called (naturally) a shellophone. When a call came in, the shellophone rang like a telephone of that era. The creator of the program was Isabelle Manning Hewson and the radio series may have been based on children's books that she wrote. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Cooper Fox" ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Anybody know this TV show? Land of the Lost, if that's it, was a Sid and Marty Krofft production I believe. Barry Scott uses part of the theme as a bumper: "Living in the land... of the lost..." and then someone sings "45s" after that. From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 18 15:06:28 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:06:28 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters Message-ID: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> The Bangor Daily News is reporting that MPBN is in a serious funding crunch, and will be pulling the plug on WMED-DT 13 in Calais and two MPBN Radio transmitters, WMED 89.7 Calais and WMEF 106.5 Fort Kent, in January, in an effort to keep as much of its funding as possible going towards local news and programming... http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/95479.html#comments Most of the Fort Kent transmitter's coverage overlaps with WMEM 106.1 Presque Isle, and the remainder is over largely unpopulated (or French Canadian) areas - but Calais and southwestern New Brunswick will completely lose public radio if this goes down, since the area is out of range from the other MPBN transmitters. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 18 16:20:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:59 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> Message-ID: Isn't there a commercial FM in Calais--the remains of the now long-dark WQDY (AM)? What broadcast services, if any (audio or TV), are designed to serve neighboring St Stephen NB? One would think that any signals that were designed to reach St Stephen would also reach Calais. I'm not saying commercial broadcasts can replace NPR or PBS; I am just trying to find out whether the citizens of Calais and environs (on the US side of the border) will be completely bereft of terrestrial broadcast services. Also, aren't there about as many Fracophones as Anglophones in Calais, so wouldn' there be a need for broadcast services there in both English and French? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: MPBN to close transmitters > The Bangor Daily News is reporting that MPBN is in a serious funding > crunch, and will be pulling the plug on WMED-DT 13 in Calais and two > MPBN Radio transmitters, WMED 89.7 Calais and WMEF 106.5 Fort Kent, > in January, in an effort to keep as much of its funding as possible > going towards local news and programming... > > http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/95479.html#comments > > Most of the Fort Kent transmitter's coverage overlaps with WMEM > 106.1 Presque Isle, and the remainder is over largely unpopulated > (or French Canadian) areas - but Calais and southwestern New > Brunswick will completely lose public radio if this goes down, since > the area is out of range from the other MPBN transmitters. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 18 17:09:28 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:09:28 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Calais has WQDY 92.7, a 3000W/299 ft Class A which simulcasts a 3KW/67 > meter Class A on 95.3 from Machias. > > Machias also has a 50KW/118 meter Class B FM Construction Permit on > 101.1 owned by Blueberry Broadcasting. > > Calais also has Dennysville licensed 100KW/139 meter C1 on 102,9, WCRQ. And WCRQ leases space on the MPBN site in Meddybemps that's about to be shut down, so I wonder what happens to them. Yes, there's commercial service to the Calais area, both from WQDY/WALZ and WCRQ and from several Canadian signals, notably CHTD 98.1 right across the river in St. Stephen NB. The Fort Kent area will lose out more - the AM in Fort Kent shut down more than a decade ago, and there's nothing in English across the border. I suspect MPBN believes people will tune in WMEM 106.1 Presque Isle instead, and they're probably right - it has a decent fringe signal to Fort Kent. s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Dec 18 17:19:54 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:19:54 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> Message-ID: <13706099F94A4437860788C9391ED436@DHPP0DB1> > Yes, there's commercial service to the Calais area, both from WQDY/WALZ > and WCRQ and from several Canadian signals, notably CHTD 98.1 right > across the river in St. Stephen NB. > > The Fort Kent area will lose out more - the AM in Fort Kent shut down > more than a decade ago, and there's nothing in English across the > border. I suspect MPBN believes people will tune in WMEM 106.1 Presque > Isle instead, and they're probably right - it has a decent fringe signal > to Fort Kent. > Their website says that these shutdowns are only temporary (6 months), but I suppose that could change: http://www.mpbn.net/News/MaineHeadlineNews/tabid/968/ctl/ViewItem/mid/2905/I temId/8631/Default.aspx Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 18 17:23:40 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:23:40 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812181417y3310fa3gc067258634effc6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com> <494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80812181417y3310fa3gc067258634effc6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494ACD6C.8040604@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > The article said MPBN will be closing 2 of its "radio towers".. do we > know for sure the towers are coming down too.. or might the newspaper > reporter who knows nothing about radio just mean the MPBN signals are > being shut off/ The tower will stay up, yes (after all, MPBN hopes this will be just a temporary shutdown, not a permanent silencing)...but if WCRQ's transmitter is in MPBN's building, and MPBN's building is being shut down (no power, no heat, etc), that could cause issues... s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:17:08 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:08 -0600 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com> <494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812181417y3310fa3gc067258634effc6d@mail.gmail.com> The article said MPBN will be closing 2 of its "radio towers".. do we know for sure the towers are coming down too.. or might the newspaper reporter who knows nothing about radio just mean the MPBN signals are being shut off/ Paul Walker On 12/18/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> Calais has WQDY 92.7, a 3000W/299 ft Class A which simulcasts a 3KW/67 >> meter Class A on 95.3 from Machias. >> >> Machias also has a 50KW/118 meter Class B FM Construction Permit on 101.1 >> owned by Blueberry Broadcasting. >> >> Calais also has Dennysville licensed 100KW/139 meter C1 on 102,9, WCRQ. >> > > And WCRQ leases space on the MPBN site in Meddybemps that's about to be > shut down, so I wonder what happens to them. > > Yes, there's commercial service to the Calais area, both from WQDY/WALZ and > WCRQ and from several Canadian signals, notably CHTD 98.1 right across the > river in St. Stephen NB. > > The Fort Kent area will lose out more - the AM in Fort Kent shut down more > than a decade ago, and there's nothing in English across the border. I > suspect MPBN believes people will tune in WMEM 106.1 Presque Isle instead, > and they're probably right - it has a decent fringe signal to Fort Kent. > > s From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Dec 18 19:07:38 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:07:38 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812181417y3310fa3gc067258634effc6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com><8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com><494ACA18.4090306@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80812181417y3310fa3gc067258634effc6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Why not shut down the Camden radio station that doesn't cover any areas not already covered by Portland, Bangor, or Waterville? From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 21:43:03 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:43:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Anybody know this TV show? Message-ID: <29852950.1229654583265.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Bob Nelson" > > Land of the Lost, if that's it, was a Sid and Marty > Krofft production I believe. Barry Scott uses part > of the theme as a bumper: "Living in the land... > of the lost..." and then someone sings "45s" after > that. I believe that's the late Harry Chapin from his 1974 hit "WOLD", a song close to some of our hearts about the life tribulations of an aging radio personality. The line is: "I am the morning dj on W-O-L-D, Playing all the hits for you wherever you may be... The bright good-morning voice who's heard but never seen, feeling all of forty- five, going on fifteen..." EP From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Dec 18 22:01:47 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:01:47 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> Message-ID: MPB Press Release MPBN Protects News Division and Programming While Reducing Salaries and Statewide TransmissionsBack December 18, 2008 Funding levels force MPBN to choose between news, statewide broadcast coverage (Lewiston, Me.) - In an announcement to the Maine Public Broadcasting Network staff today, President Jim Dowe described organizational changes and restructuring that will take effect in January and are due in large part to reductions in state and federal funding. "In response to reductions in funding at all levels, and particularly to cuts in state funding and the loss of various federal grants, it is essential that we take steps to protect MPBN's valued programming on radio, television and on the web; however, we have no choice but to make changes elsewhere in how we operate," said Dowe. Those changes include a reduction in staff (6 positions out of 86 full-time staff) and a hiring freeze on three additional open positions, temporary wage reductions of 5 to 20 percent through the end of MPBN's current fiscal year ending June 30, temporary suspension of the company's contributions to employees' 403(b) retirement plans, and the shutting down of radio and TV transmitters at two locations. MPBN was founded in 1992 through an Act of the Maine Legislature. That legislation reads in part, "An annual appropriation for operating, constructing, equipping, maintaining, improving and replacing facilities of the corporation must be made in amounts sufficient to ensure delivery of broadcast sources throughout the state" [20-A MRSA ?852, sub-?3]. Those broadcast sources now reach over 90% of the state and include five television stations and seven radio stations throughout Maine. "In 1992, the annual operating cost of this signal distribution was approximately $2.2 million, an amount that has since risen to an annual figure of $3.3 million in 2008. Over those 16 years, MPBN has received roughly the same annual $2.2 million appropriation," said MPBN's Chief Financial Officer, John Isacke. "To put this in some perspective, since MPBN was created in 1992 our annual operating expenses related to transmission and infrastructure have risen by 50 percent; meanwhile, the State of Maine has increased its annual general fund spending by 97 percent while reducing MPBN's appropriation by 8 percent over that same period." The lone television tower to be shuttered is WMED-DTV Channel 13 in Calais. MPBN will also shut down two of its seven radio stations, WMEF-FM 106.5 in Fort Kent and WMED-FM 89.7 in Calais. "These changes will allow us to keep our local focus on news and public affairs while maintaining the cultural, science and children's programming provided by our partners at NPR and PBS. It will also allow us to continue to develop and expand our new media capabilities and engage the communities we serve with timely and relevant content, which we believe will ultimately put us back on sound financial footing," said Dowe. The specific positions that will be eliminated will be announced later this month and key executives are working with state legislative leaders to determine how MPBN and the state can address this crisis. The positions to be eliminated do not include any of MPBN's reporting staff. "These economic challenges have not shaken our commitment to strong statewide news and public affairs coverage in Maine," said MPBN News Director Keith Shortall. "We have no plans at this time to reduce our news effort. In fact, we are evaluating how we can actually do more coverage on TV, radio and on the web with our existing staff." From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:03:50 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:03:50 -0600 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812181403t44f4caa7o3712f449b45bd471@mail.gmail.com> Calais has WQDY 92.7, a 3000W/299 ft Class A which simulcasts a 3KW/67 meter Class A on 95.3 from Machias. Machias also has a 50KW/118 meter Class B FM Construction Permit on 101.1 owned by Blueberry Broadcasting. Calais also has Dennysville licensed 100KW/139 meter C1 on 102,9, WCRQ. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On 12/18/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > Isn't there a commercial FM in Calais--the remains of the now > long-dark WQDY (AM)? What broadcast services, if any (audio or TV), > are designed to serve neighboring St Stephen NB? One would think that > any signals that were designed to reach St Stephen would also reach > Calais. I'm not saying commercial broadcasts can replace NPR or PBS; I > am just trying to find out whether the citizens of Calais and environs > (on the US side of the border) will be completely bereft of > terrestrial broadcast services. Also, aren't there about as many > Fracophones as Anglophones in Calais, so wouldn' there be a need for > broadcast services there in both English and French? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" > To: "B-R-I" > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:06 PM > Subject: MPBN to close transmitters > > > The Bangor Daily News is reporting that MPBN is in a serious funding >> crunch, and will be pulling the plug on WMED-DT 13 in Calais and two >> MPBN Radio transmitters, WMED 89.7 Calais and WMEF 106.5 Fort Kent, >> in January, in an effort to keep as much of its funding as possible >> going towards local news and programming... >> >> http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/95479.html#comments >> >> Most of the Fort Kent transmitter's coverage overlaps with WMEM >> 106.1 Presque Isle, and the remainder is over largely unpopulated >> (or French Canadian) areas - but Calais and southwestern New >> Brunswick will completely lose public radio if this goes down, since >> the area is out of range from the other MPBN transmitters. >> >> s >> >> > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Dec 19 00:43:34 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:43:34 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> Message-ID: <494B3486.1010303@gabrielmass.com> I wonder whether any local friends of MPBN might try to make up for some of the lost coverage by getting MPBN radio fed on local cable systems. There's usually some bulletin-board channel with no programming but silent slides. --RC From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 19 00:43:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:43:55 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812181027v68b206fbpeee34ee660308117@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081218174847.4CAA91DD68C@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, <4fc429770812181027v68b206fbpeee34ee660308117@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494AEE4B.2908.5F4150@joe.attorneyross.com> On 18 Dec 2008 at 12:27, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Land Of The Lost in the 70s fits that and it is possible she is > thinking of an old Hardy Boys collection of episodes. It sounds like Land of the Lost. Although it was in the 1970s, it was videotaped rather than filmed, so that it had the flavor of a 1950s live show. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Dec 19 01:14:06 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:14:06 -0500 Subject: Did anyone notice this FCC regulation change Message-ID: <18763.15278.818874.926768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The legal ID rule now includes the following new paragraph (47 CFR 73.1201(b)(3)): (3) Twice daily, the station identification for television stations must include a notice of the existence, location and accessibility of the station's public file. The notice must state that the station's public file is available for inspection and that consumers can view it at the station's main studio and on its Web site. At least one of the announcements must occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and midnight. A note explains that this rule was introduced in March, but would not become effective until the Office of Management and Budget had approved it, because it "contains information collection and recordkeeping requirements". I don't know why television stations are singled out for this extra requirement. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Dec 19 00:58:42 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:58:42 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <494B3486.1010303@gabrielmass.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com> <494B3486.1010303@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: At 12:43 AM -0500 12/19/08, Richard Chonak wrote: >I wonder whether any local friends of MPBN might try to make up for >some of the lost coverage by getting MPBN radio fed on local cable >systems. There's usually some bulletin-board channel with no >programming but silent slides. > >--RC I believe, like most public radio stations, MPBN streams on the Internet. I wonder if they chose to drop the particular transmitters that they did because contributions from those areas are low compared to the areas where they are staying on? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 19 03:22:06 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:22:06 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? Message-ID: <20081219082206.C61A483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Barry has used the Chapin tune in a bumper or two but the one I'm thinking of has what I think is a woman singing "forty fives" (not sure where it's from). Musically it sounds like the notes F#, G, and A. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 19 04:10:23 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:10:23 -0500 Subject: Salem News article on WMWM Message-ID: <20081219091023.D3EB049B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.salemnews.com/pulife/local_story_352224715.html?keyword=secondarystory The Salem News talks about WMWM and its global outreach (i.e., we finally went with online streaming a couple months back!) From rjoc04679@msn.com Fri Dec 19 05:52:11 2008 From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:52:11 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters Message-ID: I agree with Dan, If there is one station that is redundant it is WMEP Camden 90.5. WMEH 90.9 Bangor puts a decent signal into Camden and Rockland, And WMEA 90.1 Portland also is fairly strong into Rockland. From here at my place in Southwest harbor, on the southern end of Mount Desert Island I can get 3 MPBN stations, Bangor 90.9, Calais 89.7 and Camden 90.5. When conditions are good I can even get 90.1 from Portland. As for Calais stations, add the CBC 50-watt repeater on 990AM from Saint Stephen. It's still on the air, (or it was a couple weeks ago, the last time I was down in the area) repeating CBC Radio-1 91.3 from Mount Champlain, NB, between Fredericton and Saint John. It's right across the river from Calais. It gets out a few miles. I could pick it up in Eastport on my car radio. Also while on my trip down-east a couple weeks ago, I stopped by Shead High School, home of 10-watt Class D WSHD 91.7 Eastport. They should be back up and running again, soon. They have replaced their antenna which blew down last year. They want to resume their automated programming and add more local programming based from the High School. No sign yet of WUMM on 91.7 from Univ of Maine Machias. I did hear what I thought was their leaky cable-FM signal on 90.3 for a mile or so of the campus. Rod O'Connor Southwest Harbor, Maine _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 19 06:06:16 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:06:16 -0500 Subject: Meddybemps Message-ID: <607F230A4F7D475D86AA673A6B083A81@SatU205S5044> Yesterday, someone mentioned an FM licensed to Meddybemps as a station that serves Calais. That brought to mind a singing group called the Meddybempsters, which I believe is the name of long-running a barbershop quartet or a capella chorus composed of students from Colby College, which is also in Maine, though I don't believe especially near Meddybemps. I think I remember hearing a few recordings of the Meddybempsters on the radio years ago. Perhaps it was Carl deSuze who played them. I suspect it was he who would mention the name of the group on the air from time to time. He would say it fast and I could never quite figure out what he was saying. (I think my best guess was merry bumpsters.) Anyhow, does the group still exist? I think that back in those days, Colby was a men's college. Has Colby now gone co-ed like so many formerly all-male colleges? If so, is there a female counterpart to the Meddybempsters? And does one call a four-person all-women's a capella group a beautyshop quartet? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Dec 19 06:12:51 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:12:51 EST Subject: So Near And Yet So Far Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2008 7:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "Did they ever, especially the small ones? I suspect the answer is money. Not only do generators cost money to buy and install, they also need to be maintained, and tested regularly, all of which costs money. And a lot of the smaller stations do not have full-time engineering staffs, meaning this all would need to be paid for on an hourly basis." I worked for a small 1KW station in NH that had full back up power (WEMJ). If I didn't live in a townhome complex with the association police I would get one. I don't know if I would opt for a diesel generator but the newer natural gas units are really nice. The gas company installs and maintains them like a water heater. Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Dec 19 06:26:18 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:26:18 EST Subject: MPBN to close transmitters Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2008 7:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: ""Most of the Fort Kent transmitter's coverage overlaps with WMEM 106.1 Presque Isle, and the remainder is over largely unpopulated (or French Canadian) areas - but Calais and southwestern New Brunswick will completely lose public radio if this goes down, since the area is out of range from the other MPBN transmitters.""" Many years ago before satellite radio there was real satellite radio. Radio stations used to ride along on unused subcarriers of TV signals for areas that lacked local radio. Used to enjoy listening to the radio station in the Yukon. "It's minus 21 under heavy snow in the Yukon tonight" It wouldn't be feasible to put MPBN on it's own radio transponder but how about putting it on one of the MPBN's TV stations that cover the area on the SAP channel? Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 07:23:35 2008 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:23:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meddybemps In-Reply-To: <607F230A4F7D475D86AA673A6B083A81@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <906461.7887.qm@web37108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Colby College is located in Waterville (nowhere near Meddybemps), and has been accepting female students since the early 1870s. In fact, Colby was the first all-male college in New England to go co-ed. Both of my parents are graduates of Colby. Doug Bassett Brattleboro, VT --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > From: Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Meddybemps > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 6:06 AM > Yesterday, someone mentioned an FM licensed to Meddybemps as > a station > that serves Calais. That brought to mind a singing group > called the > Meddybempsters, which I believe is the name of long-running > a > barbershop quartet or a capella chorus composed of students > from Colby > College, which is also in Maine, though I don't believe > especially > near Meddybemps. I think I remember hearing a few > recordings of the > Meddybempsters on the radio years ago. Perhaps it was Carl > deSuze who > played them. I suspect it was he who would mention the name > of the > group on the air from time to time. He would say it fast > and I could > never quite figure out what he was saying. (I think my best > guess was > merry bumpsters.) Anyhow, does the group still exist? I > think that > back in those days, Colby was a men's college. Has > Colby now gone > co-ed like so many formerly all-male colleges? If so, is > there a > female counterpart to the Meddybempsters? And does one > call a > four-person all-women's a capella group a beautyshop > quartet? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 19 10:00:51 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:00:51 -0500 Subject: Meddybemps References: <906461.7887.qm@web37108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Doug. A Web search revealed that I had associated the Meddybempsters with the wrong college; they are associated with Bowdoin, not Colby. I have to read more; Google produced LOTS of links. The material below is from one of them. The Meddybempsters are an all male a cappella group from Bowdoin College. Founded in 1937, the Meddys are Bowdoin's original a cappella group and one of the nation's most historic singing groups. They perform an effective blend of old standards and modern pop. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bassett" To: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Meddybemps > Colby College is located in Waterville (nowhere near Meddybemps), > and has been accepting female students since the early 1870s. In > fact, Colby was the first all-male college in New England to go > co-ed. Both of my parents are graduates of Colby. > > Doug Bassett > Brattleboro, VT > From jfa1965@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 08:00:12 2008 From: jfa1965@bellsouth.net (Jim Armstrong) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:00:12 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <20081218190600.1FD0B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200812191300.mBJD0J65002143@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Yes this was the 70's kids. I used to watch it all the time as kid. The Land of the Lost premise was about a Archeologist Dad and his two teen kids (older Boy and younger girl) They went off some cliff in a storm and and spun around in time til they reached a pre-historic era. This was funny because the Cave Man (please Geico do not haunt me) did battles with dinosaurs. They also had these half man/half reptile creatures called SleeStack. So if it wasn't the T-Rex hunting them, it was the SleeStack. There was a young cave-boy named Chaka, that later turned out to be part of the Band Sugar Ray. I think he played guitar, if not the bass. Now maybe there was an earlier show and this could have been a ripoff.... Jim Armstrong Telos Systems -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:06 PM To: Cooper Fox; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Donna Halper Subject: Re: Anybody know this TV show? Land of the Lost, if that's it, was a Sid and Marty Krofft production I believe. Barry Scott uses part of the theme as a bumper: "Living in the land... of the lost..." and then someone sings "45s" after that. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 19 11:20:28 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:20:28 -0500 Subject: So Near And Yet So Far Message-ID: <20081219162028.86FA81BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com >To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: So Near And Yet So Far >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:12:51 EST As of Friday morning (12/19), WCCM-AM 1110 was back on-the-air; still among the missing: WDER-AM 1320, located near the center of Derry on route 28. Puzzlement: while checking the AM dial in the 1300's, I notice that right now I'm getting a very good signal from WWNH-AM 1340 in Madbury, NH (the Seacoast Region). According to the FCC, they're licensed with only 250 watts, yet they're receivable at home in Methuen and on the road in Southern NH. Did they move their tower or build a new one? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Dec 19 11:32:29 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:32:29 -0500 Subject: Did anyone notice this FCC regulation change In-Reply-To: <18763.15278.818874.926768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18763.15278.818874.926768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 1:14 AM -0500 12/19/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: >The legal ID rule now includes the following new paragraph (47 CFR >73.1201(b)(3)): > > (3) Twice daily, the station identification for television > stations must include a notice of the existence, location and > accessibility of the station's public file. The notice must > state that the station's public file is available for > inspection and that consumers can view it at the station's > main studio and on its Web site. At least one of the > announcements must occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and > midnight. > This is interesting because, in effect, it requires all TV stations to have a web site. I'll bet there are some small stations that still do not have one. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Dec 19 13:02:33 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:02:33 -0500 Subject: Did anyone notice this FCC regulation change In-Reply-To: References: <18763.15278.818874.926768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18763.57785.926745.617811@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This is interesting because, in effect, it requires all TV stations > to have a web site. I'll bet there are some small stations that > still do not have one. Other rules allow the station's public file to be hosted by their state association of broadcasters or other third party (although the station is still responsible for keeping it up-to-date and available to all. I suspect this will eventually pave the way for the elimination of the requirement for stations with main-studio waivers to mail photocopies of public-file documents (including "The Public and Broadcasting") to viewers at no charge. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 19 13:15:05 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:15:05 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494BE4A9.8040409@fybush.com> TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > Many years ago before satellite radio there was real satellite radio. > Radio stations used to ride along on unused subcarriers of TV signals > for areas that lacked local radio. Used to enjoy listening to the radio > station in the Yukon. "It's minus 21 under heavy snow in the Yukon tonight" > > It wouldn't be feasible to put MPBN on it's own radio transponder but > how about putting it on one of the MPBN's TV stations that cover the > area on the SAP channel? That might help a bit in Fort Kent, though the TV station they'd be putting it on, WMEM Presque Isle, is co-located with 100kW WMEM-FM 106.1, which covers up to Fort Kent OK anyway. Wouldn't help much in Calais, where they're shuttering the TV station (WMED-DT) at the same time as the radio. s From lspin@comcast.net Fri Dec 19 14:13:16 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:13:16 -0500 Subject: Anybody know this TV show? In-Reply-To: <20081219082206.C61A483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081219082206.C61A483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000301c9620d$d8a5a100$89f0e300$@net> I think it is Carole Bayer Sager (ex Mrs. Burt Bacharach) and her only hit, "You're Moving Out Today," c1979. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:22 AM To: Eli Polonsky; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Anybody know this TV show? Barry has used the Chapin tune in a bumper or two but the one I'm thinking of has what I think is a woman singing "forty fives" (not sure where it's from). Musically it sounds like the notes F#, G, and A. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Dec 19 18:34:13 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:34:13 -0500 Subject: Lessons learned from the storm Message-ID: <494C2F75.9000507@gabrielmass.com> One of the Channel 4 reporters -- I think it was Christina Hager -- had it fairly easy: seated as a passenger in a van, she narrated the snowy scene, speaking to the camera in the back seat. She was startled to see pedestrians jaywalking just a few feet in front of the slowly moving vehicle, and called out: "Are you crazy -- crossing the street in front of a van?" Now, friends: Don't do that on live television. If you insult a stranger on live TV, he might talk back to you rudely, and audibly, as this one did. "_You're_ ----in' crazy!" Yep, live on the 6 o'clock news. So that's the scene from here; back to you, Jack! (Shelby Scott, we miss you!) --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Dec 19 22:47:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:47:20 -0600 Subject: Jim Boyd retires Message-ID: <4fc429770812191947l4259f159ne63de9ddc5ce18f7@mail.gmail.com> Jim Boyd announced he is retiring from WCVB at the end of the month. I believe he is the last on-air person at WCVB who was there when the station started in 1972. From heritageradio@msn.com Sat Dec 20 02:55:03 2008 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:55:03 -0500 Subject: Land of the Lost In-Reply-To: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com><494B3486.1010303@gabrielmass.com> References: <494AAD44.9030002@fybush.com><494B3486.1010303@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: The Land Of The Lost was heard on old-time radio starting on ABC Blue, October 9, 1943 and completing their run on July 3, 1948. Isabel Manning Hewson was the narrator of the fantasy underwater children's series which alledge to tell stories of herself as a child ,as played by Betty Jane Tyler. Billy, Betty's brother was played by Ray Ives. who shared her adventures in "that wonderful kingdom at the bottom of the sea." The children traveled to the magic place with the help of" The Red Lantern" a talking fish who glowed underwater and guided Betty and Billy past the seaweed to The Land Of The Lost. Ms. Hewson addressed her listeners as "pollywogs" and reminded the of her motto, "Never say lost." We didn't have any Land of The Lost Christmas programs, but you may like our holiday special feature on Heritage Radio Theatre at www.VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast -- On the Olde Tyme Radio Network streaming 24/7 where others add their Christmas memories too. -Tom Heathwood From markwats@comcast.net Sat Dec 20 11:15:12 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:15:12 -0500 Subject: Jim Boyd retires References: <4fc429770812191947l4259f159ne63de9ddc5ce18f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c962c0$ea0a5b80$0302a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Jim Boyd announced he is retiring from WCVB at the end of the month. > I believe he is the last on-air person at WCVB who was there when the > station started in 1972. Jim Boyd has anchored in just about every daypart and reported in the field since day one of WCVB, if I'm not mistaken. I wish him a happy and healthy retirement. Is Frank Avruch still doing any work for WCVB? He was there on day one. Until they stopped doing the hosted/voice over lottery drawings he would occasionally appear on screen as the host or would occasionally voice the off screen drawings. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 20 20:44:55 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:44:55 -0600 Subject: Lessons learned from the storm In-Reply-To: <494C2F75.9000507@gabrielmass.com> References: <494C2F75.9000507@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812201744v16f39fcbuf88cf5b83cc2ee63@mail.gmail.com> and of course it is now on You Tube :) Jack Williams handled it well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwnm4HswTHk On 12/19/08, Richard Chonak wrote: > > One of the Channel 4 reporters -- I think it was Christina Hager -- had it > fairly easy: seated as a passenger in a van, she narrated the snowy scene, > speaking to the camera in the back seat. She was startled to see > pedestrians jaywalking just a few feet in front of the slowly moving > vehicle, and called out: "Are you crazy -- crossing the street in front of a > van?" > > Now, friends: Don't do that on live television. If you insult a stranger > on live TV, he might talk back to you rudely, and audibly, as this one did. > > "_You're_ ----in' crazy!" Yep, live on the 6 o'clock news. > > So that's the scene from here; back to you, Jack! > > > (Shelby Scott, we miss you!) > > --RC > From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 21 12:20:20 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:20:20 -0500 Subject: WNBP Newburyport Sold Message-ID: <004301c96390$66d4c3b0$0302a8c0@Mark> Westport Communications has sold WNBP to a company that includes veteran Boston area radio personality & programmer Pete Falconi. No mention of a price or possible format change, but they plan to move WNBP's main studio back to Newburyport according to an article in the Salem News: http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_354171540.html Mark Watson From rbello@belloassoc.com Sun Dec 21 16:41:36 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:41:36 -0500 Subject: WNBP Newburyport Sold In-Reply-To: <004301c96390$66d4c3b0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <004301c96390$66d4c3b0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <90ec04420812211341k7f1c911he33a1ff74616d241@mail.gmail.com> I believe Pete Falconi started in community radio. He was on WKOX 1190 in the mid 70s. On 12/21/08, Mark Watson wrote: > Westport Communications has sold WNBP to a company that includes veteran > Boston area radio personality & programmer Pete Falconi. No mention of a > price or possible format change, but they plan to move WNBP's main studio > back to Newburyport according to an article in the Salem News: > > http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_354171540.html > > Mark Watson > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 21 16:47:21 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:47:21 -0600 Subject: WNBP Newburyport Sold In-Reply-To: <90ec04420812211341k7f1c911he33a1ff74616d241@mail.gmail.com> References: <004301c96390$66d4c3b0$0302a8c0@Mark> <90ec04420812211341k7f1c911he33a1ff74616d241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812211347s6eb92c93w6ea0f461628f0494@mail.gmail.com> And somehow, I got the press release about this almost a week ago, before it was announced.. I was told by the source who sent it to me that they have a bit of a road ahead of them, with 104.9 having the advertising money sewn up and Tanger didn't help WNBP's reputation much. I remember getting to tour WNBP just out of high school when I was up there visiting some friends (this was before Tanger bought WNBP and put it in a Closet in Beverly) Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On 12/21/08, Ron Bello wrote: > > I believe Pete Falconi started in community radio. He was on WKOX > 1190 in the mid 70s. > > > > On 12/21/08, Mark Watson wrote: > > Westport Communications has sold WNBP to a company that includes > veteran > > Boston area radio personality & programmer Pete Falconi. No mention of a > > price or possible format change, but they plan to move WNBP's main studio > > back to Newburyport according to an article in the Salem News: > > > > http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_354171540.html > > > > Mark Watson > > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 21 17:36:57 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:36:57 -0500 Subject: MPBN to close transmitters In-Reply-To: <494BE4A9.8040409@fybush.com> References: <494BE4A9.8040409@fybush.com> Message-ID: Maine Public Radio is also going to shut down each night at midnight, which raises concerns about the EAS system statewide at night. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Dec 22 14:24:11 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:24:11 EST Subject: WNBP Newburyport Sold Message-ID: In a message dated 12/22/2008 12:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: ""I remember getting to tour WNBP just out of high school when I was up there visiting some friends (this was before Tanger bought WNBP and put it in a Closet in Beverly)"" I remember when it was in a little gas station back in the 60's. Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From as@shawsheen.com Mon Dec 22 13:02:13 2008 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:02:13 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? Message-ID: <20081222130213.8zxrtgz4occ84ws4@shawsheen.com> As of Sunday night I've been able to receive WFXT-DT in Andover on 31 with no changes in my modest antenna and amplifier setup. I've never seen WFXT digital at home before Sunday because of its low power, and I've missed the analog signal since it died. I've habitually checked 25 and 31 for weeks for signs of life. I went out in the weather to watch the Pats game at someone else's house yesterday after a quick check of 25 and 31 at noon. Did WFXT get complaints Sunday considering this is the first Pats game on Fox since the analog transmitter ate the big one? Today WFXT-DT is stronger than WSBK-DT. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 15:16:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:16:35 -0600 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <20081222130213.8zxrtgz4occ84ws4@shawsheen.com> References: <20081222130213.8zxrtgz4occ84ws4@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812221216y21c8ba8fxcf4de83bd80fb107@mail.gmail.com> It does appear to be stronger but how much can they boost it without causing havoc with WTIC-DT which is also on 31. While I did get a faint signal on WFXT analog last week I no longer can and I wonder if WFXT has moved to the DT allocation that they were supposed to move to in February. On 12/22/08, Alexander Svirsky wrote: > As of Sunday night I've been able to receive WFXT-DT in Andover on 31 > with no changes in my modest antenna and amplifier setup. > > I've never seen WFXT digital at home before Sunday because of its low > power, and I've missed the analog signal since it died. I've > habitually checked 25 and 31 for weeks for signs of life. I went out > in the weather to watch the Pats game at someone else's house > yesterday after a quick check of 25 and 31 at noon. Did WFXT get > complaints Sunday considering this is the first Pats game on Fox since > the analog transmitter ate the big one? > > Today WFXT-DT is stronger than WSBK-DT. > > -- > Alexander Svirsky > http://shawsheen.com/ > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 20:10:40 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:10:40 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <20081222130213.8zxrtgz4occ84ws4@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: > As of Sunday night I've been able to receive WFXT-DT in Andover on 31 > with no changes in my modest antenna and amplifier setup. > > I've never seen WFXT digital at home before Sunday because of its low > power, and I've missed the analog signal since it died. I've > habitually checked 25 and 31 for weeks for signs of life. I went out > in the weather to watch the Pats game at someone else's house > yesterday after a quick check of 25 and 31 at noon. Did WFXT get > complaints Sunday considering this is the first Pats game on Fox since > the analog transmitter ate the big one? > > Today WFXT-DT is stronger than WSBK-DT. It could just be the weather. I've noticed that local UHF signals (in all different forms, amateur, public safety, TV, etc...) seem to become stronger and more stable when the temperature drops below freezing and/or there's snow on the ground. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 22 20:54:05 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:54:05 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: References: <20081222130213.8zxrtgz4occ84ws4@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <18768.17597.775401.300779@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It could just be the weather. I've noticed that local UHF signals (in all > different forms, amateur, public safety, TV, etc...) seem to become stronger > and more stable when the temperature drops below freezing and/or there's > snow on the ground. Changes in the weather change the refractive index of the troposphere. That's why protected and interfering contours are specified as "at least 50% of locations, at least 50% of the time" or "at least 90% of locations, at least 10% of the time". The Longley-Rice propagation model used for DTV studies includes a "climate" parameter. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:19:19 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:19:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: TV Memories - Pre-wired 300 ohm homes circa 1960 Message-ID: <933549.23921.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recall my dad when he was building our house around 1961 pre-wired the house with 300 ohm twin-lead. Each room had a three-prong female conection similar to ac power outlets. The twin lead leading from the televsion had a three prong male plug. I suspect the third/middle pronge was just for support. ? See: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1961_small/ Page 124? Item "O" for an example of the type of plugs used. ? ? This is the only house that I've seen that was prewired for 300 Ohm, as opposed to the many homes I've scene prewired for 75 Ohm coax. ? ? Anyways, the 300 Ohm wiring was connected to double conical VHF antenna as seen on page 123 of the same catalog. ? After about six years of moderateratly good televsion reception, my dad dumped the system in favor of cable TV at $4.95 a month. The promise of microwaving in a French Canadian TV signal was the clincher. ? ? I did not take after my dad, as I was instead a television laggard. I did not personally own my own color TV until 1984, purchasing a Zenith 13 inch model at Lechmere. I still own and use this television in my radio shack. ? I dropped cable TV in 1991, while still a member of the Cable TV Advisory Board in Londonderry NH. Certain politics were involved here, including a number of those in my circle getting deeply discounted cable rates.? At that point I decided that I wasn't going to pay full price for something I can get for free.? Cable free OTR since then. ? ? John B From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:57:28 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 Message-ID: <525983.45726.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will more allocations for FM 87.9 MHz become available now the use of TV channel six will be dropping drastically after DTV switchover? ? ? John B Derry N1QGS From as@shawsheen.com Tue Dec 23 10:59:49 2008 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:59:49 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081223105949.x7l0ymg0g884wc0o@shawsheen.com> Quoting Jeff Lehmann : > It could just be the weather. I've noticed that local UHF signals (in all > different forms, amateur, public safety, TV, etc...) seem to become stronger > and more stable when the temperature drops below freezing and/or there's > snow on the ground. I've had better signal strength overall since the leaves dropped, which I expect, and reception can change with the weather. But WFXT-DT has gone from zero-strength, never received at my location to being nearly as reliable as WBZ-DT and WHDH-DT, overnight. At the same time WLVI-DT is the same hit-or-miss, no change in poor reception. Maybe snowcover is somehow conductive of RF at 572 MHz and not at 632 MHz. ;-) Or, WFXT has changed something about their digital transmission because they, in effect, had no OTA coverage outside of the 128 and Metrowest areas after the analog failure. For some reason I thought that WFXT-DT was protecting WNNE 31 in VT. I forgot about WTIC-DT. Interesting that WNNE-DT is on 25. How does WFXT-DT increase power in 2009 with WTIC-DT staying on 31 after the transition? -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 23 12:10:56 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:10:56 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 In-Reply-To: <525983.45726.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <525983.45726.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49511BA0.7090309@fybush.com> John Bolduc wrote: > Will more allocations for FM 87.9 MHz become available now the use of > TV channel six will be dropping drastically after DTV switchover? I'm not sure that's as much of a given as some would think. We're seeing a number of class A LPTVs migrating to channel 6 in big markets (largely to be able to use the audio channel at 87.75 MHz as a pseudo-FM broadcast station), and those class As are protected from interference just as a full-power 6 would be. There's no reason to expect more class As to seek channel 6 after the analog full-power signals vacate. And while the FCC hasn't yet said what it plans to do about opening a window for new full-power DTV allocations post-transition, it's expected that there will be one...and that someone will try to get low-band VHF channels allotted. They may not be ideal, but they'll be cheap. (Well, cheaper than buying an existing station, anyway.) s From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Dec 23 12:13:22 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:13:22 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <20081223105949.x7l0ymg0g884wc0o@shawsheen.com> References: <20081223105949.x7l0ymg0g884wc0o@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <18769.7218.557292.762804@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > For some reason I thought that WFXT-DT was protecting WNNE 31 in VT. > I forgot about WTIC-DT. Interesting that WNNE-DT is on 25. How does > WFXT-DT increase power in 2009 with WTIC-DT staying on 31 after the > transition? Many of the "permanent" DTV allotments in the FCC's Sixth Report & Order are "instantly grandfathered" allotments, which would not be permitted under the Commission's own rules if they had been proposed as new DTV allotments. Many of them use directional antennas (some of the DAs the Commission specified proved impossible to construct!) and even then there's a lot of Longley-Rice magic going on to "prove" that the new short-spaced facilities "don't" interfere with one another. I think Boston to Hartford (or rather, Needham to Farmington) is a much tougher case than Needham to Ascutney, as I think the UHD Candelabra is tall enough to diffract over much of the terrain blockage in the Worcester hills, and the top of the tower in Farmington is one of the highest points in the state (2048 feet AMSL). -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Dec 23 13:42:14 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:42:14 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <18769.7218.557292.762804@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > I think Boston to Hartford (or rather, Needham to Farmington) is a > much tougher case than Needham to Ascutney, as I think the UHD > Candelabra is tall enough to diffract over much of the terrain > blockage in the Worcester hills, and the top of the tower in > Farmington is one of the highest points in the state (2048 feet AMSL). I still don't understand why they are letting WFXT and WTIC stay on the same channel, at full power after the transition. When you look at the coverage maps on the FCC website, there is significant overlap. Does anyone know how these signals will act with two stations on the same frequency? We all know how it looks with analog signals, but digital is obviously a whole new world. How in the world did this happen... was someone at the FCC asleep at the switch when these channel assignments were decided on? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 23 13:47:58 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:47:58 -0500 Subject: TV Memories - Pre-wired 300 ohm homes circa 1960 In-Reply-To: <933549.23921.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <933549.23921.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c9652e$fe407d30$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of John Bolduc > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:19 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org > Subject: TV Memories - Pre-wired 300 ohm homes circa 1960 > ? > ? > This is the only house that I've seen that was prewired for > 300 Ohm, as opposed to the many homes I've scene prewired for > 75 Ohm coax. The apartment I lived in from 1978 to 1986 in Acton, MA had a 300 ohm connection on the wall, but I took off the wall plate to discover that there was 75 ohm cable running thru the walls, and a resistive matching network on the back of the wall plate. When I removed the resistors and put in a 75-300 transformer my reception improved quite a bit. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:55:38 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree with Jeff. Putting two full-powered DTV's a little more than 100 miles away from each other is asking for trouble. I think that they (WFXT-DT) would be better off by returning to their original dial position on Channel 25. They've already have an antenna cut to Channel 25 on their old analog system. It would be relatively simple to replace their old Channel 25 transmission line (which failed a few weeks ago) and connect their new DT transmitter to the old antenna. It should be broadband enough to handle it (and then some). Similarly, I believe WGGB (DTV Channel 40) in Springfield is planning to revitalize their old analog antenna system cut for Channel 40 and to use their new DT transmitter on it on Feb 17th. It's cheaper to do this and they would get nearly the same coverage they had as an analog station. Smart move. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > From: Jeff Lehmann > Subject: RE: WFXT-DT power increase? > To: "'Garrett Wollman'" , "'Alexander Svirsky'" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:42 PM > > I think Boston to Hartford (or rather, Needham to > Farmington) is a > > much tougher case than Needham to Ascutney, as I think > the UHD > > Candelabra is tall enough to diffract over much of the > terrain > > blockage in the Worcester hills, and the top of the > tower in > > Farmington is one of the highest points in the state > (2048 feet AMSL). > > I still don't understand why they are letting WFXT and > WTIC stay on the same > channel, at full power after the transition. When you look > at the coverage > maps on the FCC website, there is significant overlap. Does > anyone know how > these signals will act with two stations on the same > frequency? We all know > how it looks with analog signals, but digital is obviously > a whole new > world. > > How in the world did this happen... was someone at the FCC > asleep at the > switch when these channel assignments were decided on? > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 23 16:10:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:10:33 -0600 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com> I would think that there would be serious overlap out around Sturbridge. With so many channels available there is no logical reason for Hartford and Boston to be on same channel. From markwats@comcast.net Tue Dec 23 20:43:43 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:43:43 -0500 Subject: Tom Ellis Out At New England Cable News Message-ID: <012b01c96569$109e6fc0$0302a8c0@Mark> NECN (New England Cable News) has announced that weekend anchor Tom Ellis will be let go after this Saturday, due to the "difficult economic climate" according to the statement from NECN's GM Charles Kravetz. Ellis says he feels "disappointed & humiliated". Ellis has anchored the news at WBZ-TV, WCVB, and WNEV over the years, as well as also working in New York City. More details in this Boston Globe article: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/12/23/necn_cuts_veteran_anchor_tom_ellis/ Mark Watson From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Dec 23 20:45:29 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:45:29 -0500 Subject: TV Memories - Pre-wired 300 ohm homes circa 1960 In-Reply-To: <933549.23921.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <933549.23921.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4951944f.c505be0a.7a65.729e@mx.google.com> John Bolduc wrote: >I recall my dad when he was building our house around 1961 pre-wired >the house with 300 ohm twin-lead. Each room had a three-prong female >conection similar to ac power outlets. >The twin lead leading from the televsion had a three prong male >plug. I suspect the third/middle pronge was just for support. > >This is the only house that I've seen that was prewired for 300 Ohm, >as opposed to the many homes I've scene prewired for 75 Ohm coax. When my parents remodeled & added on to the family home in the late 50s/early 60s my father did the same thing. I don't recall any sort of splitter network, just a bunch of twin lead that (mostly) dead-ended in the attic with the same outlets in most rooms (since we only had one tv). I took advantage of the wiring when I got my first FM radio in high school & put up a separate antenna for FM and used the wire that went to my room. Cable never made it (afaik) to my folks' neighborhood...they went straight from rooftop antenna to satellite tv sometime in the 90s. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 24 01:55:13 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:55:13 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I would think that there would be serious overlap out around Sturbridge. > With so many channels available there is no logical reason for > Hartford and Boston to be on same channel. There aren't "so many channels available", unfortunately, unless you want to apply for a couple thousand watts on VHF-low. Have a look at the spacing rules for new allotments -- in particularly, the weird "donut" restriction for DTV first-adjacents. Just to consider the Boston area: 7-13 are all taken (unless you want to build a channel 8 on Nantucket) 14-16 are land mobile 17-24 are all taken 25 is in the donut for 26 in New London 26-27 are taken I think 28 is impossible (too far from 27 in Hudson and 29 in Boylston) 29-35 are taken 36 would be possible but only if you put it on the WZMY tower 37 is reserved for astronomy 38-41 are taken 42 might be a possibility, if Needham is far enough away from Bridgeport (I haven't drawn the circles to be sure) 43-47 are taken 48 is impossible (too far from 47 in Paxton(?) and 49 in Rehoboth) 49 is taken I think 50 is possible, as a Providence station with tx in Rehoboth 51 is taken So among the remaining UHF channels the only one that WFXT might be able to use is 42 (and that's only if it's actually fully-spaced). The ultimate truth is likely to be that neither Fox nor Tribune cares about fringe OTA viewers; there just aren't enough of them to justify making the large discretionary expenditure that would be required to make a channel change at this point, and in any case that audience is unsaleable anyway. (No business that far out could afford to buy Boston or Hartford spot time to serve their local audience, and in any case the locals have cable or satellite anyway, if they watch TV at all.) -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 24 07:41:04 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:41:04 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > 48 is impossible (too far from 47 in Paxton(?) and 49 in Rehoboth) 47 is actually in Needham, running a directional pattern mostly going out towards Worcester. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 24 10:05:48 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:05:48 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: References: <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18770.20428.95440.757718@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> 48 is impossible (too far from 47 in Paxton(?) and 49 in Rehoboth) > 47 is actually in Needham, running a directional pattern mostly going out > towards Worcester. Still too far away from Rehoboth to make a 48 possible. If you moved 27 to the 29 tower (or vice versa), you could get a Worcester-licensed 28 there. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 24 10:09:22 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:09:22 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com> <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18770.20642.353690.323123@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < 36 would be possible but only if you put it on the WZMY tower WXPO-DT 36 Lowell, anyone? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 24 10:26:32 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:26:32 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com> <18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <495254A8.1020504@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > There aren't "so many channels available", unfortunately, unless you > want to apply for a couple thousand watts on VHF-low. Have a look at > the spacing rules for new allotments -- in particularly, the weird > "donut" restriction for DTV first-adjacents. The donut restriction makes some sense, actually - DTV on first-adjacent channels works just fine as long as the relative signal strength of both stations is about equal. Start introducing disparities in signal strength, as would happen with, say, 29 in Hudson and 28 at Needham, and both stations lose coverage. (There's a writer for TV Technology magazine who's been beating the drum very loudly to warn of some other weirdnesses that the FCC isn't taking into account - there are apparently intermod products that result from having DTV stations on first-adjacent channels that can affect reception of other stations up and down the dial.) > The ultimate truth is likely to be that neither Fox nor Tribune cares > about fringe OTA viewers; there just aren't enough of them to justify > making the large discretionary expenditure that would be required to > make a channel change at this point, and in any case that audience is > unsaleable anyway. (No business that far out could afford to buy > Boston or Hartford spot time to serve their local audience, and in any > case the locals have cable or satellite anyway, if they watch TV at > all.) It seems to me that the population base around Worcester is crying out for a test of DTS (distributed transmission system) on-channel boosters. They're said to work well on DTV, and there's enough in-market population around Worcester to make the prospect financially viable, at least for the bigger stations. (Manchester/Concord, too.) Ditto for the New Haven, Waterbury and maybe even New London areas in the Hartford market... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Dec 24 12:55:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:55:59 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770812231310t59e3a0d3vbda903bdc987925d@mail.gmail.com><18769.56529.785293.613630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <495254A8.1020504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <9AEAA6D0756A482D81897A1F4E50F323@SatU205S5044> >From my personal experience, I'd say any concept that moves the source of the signal with respect to appreciable numbers of OTA viewers ought to be the subject of a lot of real-world testing before it is embraced very strongly by stations or the FCC. I've found that positioning of the antenna for acceptable DTV reception is incredibly problematic and varies not just with the seasons but for no apparent reason. As you know, I live in a pretty good location for receiving the major Boston-area TV signals. I have indoor antennas on both of my TVs (one is an analog set equipped with a DTV converter). Both of the antennas are combined loops/rabbit ears. Neither incorporates an amplifier. Each is also equipped with a rotary control for heaven knows what, but the selection makes a difference. Don't tell me that the position and orientation of the rabbit ears is irrelevent to reception of UHF signals. The loop may theoretically be the antenna that is used to receive UHF signals, but the rabbit ears obviously affects the strength of the UHF signal that reaches the loop. There are so many variables involved in positioning/orienting/extending/adjusting these antennas that I can see no see no prospect of developing a systematic adjustment procedure! I have to believe that a significant part of the problem is the idiotic selection of 8VSB modulation, which, as I understand it, is unique to North America, while the rest of the world uses some form of OFDM. And though Garrett has argued with this point, the lack of robustness of the audio data stream is a major problem and I don't believe for a minute that there was no practical way to make it more robust when the system was being designed, although I absolutely can believe that it is now too late for improvements in the technology. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: Re: WFXT-DT power increase? > > It seems to me that the population base around Worcester is crying > out for a test of DTS (distributed transmission system) on-channel > boosters. They're said to work well on DTV, and there's enough > in-market population around Worcester to make the prospect > financially viable, at least for the bigger stations. > (Manchester/Concord, too.) > > Ditto for the New Haven, Waterbury and maybe even New London areas > in the Hartford market... > > s > From as@shawsheen.com Wed Dec 24 11:46:26 2008 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> Quoting "Peter Q. George" : > I agree with Jeff. Putting two full-powered DTV's a little more > than 100 miles away from each other is asking for trouble. I think > that they (WFXT-DT) would be better off by returning to their > original dial position on Channel 25. They've already have an > antenna cut to Channel 25 on their old analog system. Didn't WFXT have the option in the beginning to stay on 25? I thought that UHFs below channel 52 had the option of returning to their old allocation in 2009. But I don't see anything but VHF high-band stations and WGGB returning to their old dial positions. Everyone is doing it. There must be good reasons? Reasons to return to VHF high-band and take advantage of its excellent noise and propagation properties are obvious. Reasons for low-banders to move to UHF are also clear. Why would existing UHFs hop around if not being kicked out of 700 MHz? Or why would any UHF want to go UP in frequency? WFXT-DT has apparently ended whatever transmissions tests they were conducting and are now gone, from my point of view, as of Wednesday morning. At least it appears that I'll have a usable DT signal from them in 2009. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 24 13:46:46 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:46:46 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <18770.33686.265643.56235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Reasons to return to VHF high-band and take advantage of its excellent > noise and propagation properties are obvious. Reasons for low-banders > to move to UHF are also clear. Why would existing UHFs hop around if > not being kicked out of 700 MHz? Because transmitters and broadband antennas are not cheap. If you've already bought the channel 29 transmitter and antenna (let's say), and 90% of your viewers are cable or satellite households who won't notice anyway, why spend the money to go back to channel 27 when there's no long-term benefit? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 24 16:30:32 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:30:32 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <4952A9F8.1020800@fybush.com> Alexander Svirsky wrote: > Didn't WFXT have the option in the beginning to stay on 25? I thought > that UHFs below channel 52 had the option of returning to their old > allocation in 2009. But I don't see anything but VHF high-band stations > and WGGB returning to their old dial positions. Everyone is doing it. > There must be good reasons? There are. The way the FCC set up the DTV transition, post-transition interference protection goes to the transitional digital channels, not to the legacy analog channels. So even though WROC-TV here in Rochester, for instance, has been operating on channel 8 since 1962, it loses its interference protection to WICZ-DT in Binghamton, which has been operating on 8 since about 2004. WROC-DT could go back to 8, but it would have to take a big directional hit to the southeast (the most affluent part of the market) in order to protect WICZ. Likewise, we at WXXI-TV could go back to 21, but we'd have to go directional to protect WWTI-DT on 21 in Watertown - so instead, we stay on 16 (where we can now relax our transitional directional pattern). And WPBS-TV in Watertown, which had been analog on 16 since 1971, would have to protect US now - but they're moving to 41. s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 24 16:46:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:46:04 -0600 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <4952A9F8.1020800@fybush.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> <4952A9F8.1020800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812241346n574c9fb3t2f97d83316116e77@mail.gmail.com> Friend works at Charter Cable in Worcester and they are now having problems getting WFXT clearly at the headend and they suspect it is WTIC causing the problem. the cynic in me thinks this has been designed to help cable and satellite increase penetration. WFXT says cable penetration in Boston is 90 percent but I think that number is high. For example I have a friend that has a community antenna in a senior housing development in Cambridge and gets all his TV from that. He currently gets all Boston and Providence stations now but has lost 25 and 28. ( he never got 50 but did get 9 ) From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Dec 24 19:06:17 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:06:17 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <18770.33686.265643.56235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> <18770.33686.265643.56235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4952CE79.8030404@gabrielmass.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > If you've > already bought the channel 29 transmitter and antenna (let's say), and > 90% of your viewers are cable or satellite households who won't notice > anyway, why spend the money to go back to channel 27 when there's no > long-term benefit? > Is there reason to think the cable penetration for channel 25 viewers is that high? --RC -- The cable company: It's Craptastic! From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Dec 25 22:45:08 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:45:08 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT power increase? In-Reply-To: <4952CE79.8030404@gabrielmass.com> References: <258810.45350.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081224114626.z9bpalyeossccccw@shawsheen.com> <18770.33686.265643.56235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4952CE79.8030404@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <18772.21316.475533.286638@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> If you've >> already bought the channel 29 transmitter and antenna (let's say), and >> 90% of your viewers are cable or satellite households who won't notice >> anyway, why spend the money to go back to channel 27 when there's no >> long-term benefit? >> > Is there reason to think the cable penetration for channel 25 viewers is > that high? Yes. If it were channel 5 viewers the situation might be different (although not by much). -GAWollman From friedbagels@gmail.com Thu Dec 25 23:51:14 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:51:14 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 Message-ID: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/~harold/FCC/FccRules/2003/73/501/ The rules still have Channel 200 as pretty restricted for use by FM stations. 73.501 says: "The frequency 87.9 MHz, Channel 200, is available only for use of existing Class D stations required to change frequency. It is available only on a noninterference basis with respect to TV Channel 6 stations and adjacent channel noncommercial educational FM stations. It is not available at all within 402 kilometers (250 miles) of Canada and 320 kilometers (199 miles) of Mexico. The specific standards governing its use are contained in Sec. 73.512." So only grandfathered Class D FM 10 watt TPO stations and Class D FM translators can operate on 87.7, and only if they are REQUIRED to change frequency...which in 73.512 is specified that they (grandfathered Class D 10 watters) must try the NCE band first, then the commercial band, before they can go on Channel 200. I don't know about regular FM translators; I think it's easier for them, but it's still not "easy". You've got to be pretty damn far away from the Mexican and Canadian borders, and a zillion miles away from any Channel 6 TV stations. Not to mention from anything on 88.1 or 88.3FM. At last check there are only two stations broadcasting on 87.9FM in the country, K200AA in Sun Valley, Nevada (relaying KAWZ) and KSFH in Mountain View, CA (southern end of San Francisco Bay). It's VERY rare that all the preconditions of 73.501 are able to be met; KSFH got the right largely because of KQED camped out on 88.5, which precludes anything else from being on 88.1 or 88.3, and there doesn't happen to be any TV6's in the Bay Area or nearby (itself pretty unusual). Now what may be more likely post Feb.09 is that a lot of stations on 88.1 (and also most of the NCE band) that're running vertical polarized will apply to run circularly polarized. Or, in some cases, they'll be able to add more ERP and/or run a more advantageous antenna pattern. For example, there's a bunch of stations around Providence that already have applications in to do so...and there's a few others that no doubt will do so before March. Hey Scott - how exactly are all those LPTV's managing to get -CA (Class A) protected status anyways? Isn't that kind of against the point of LPTV's? -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com WEOS 89.7FM General Manager (315) 781-3811 From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Dec 26 01:00:26 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:00:26 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The rules still have Channel 200 as pretty restricted for use by FM > stations. However, the Commission has made it clear that all television-related rules are up for revision in 2009, so they may reconsider this policy as well. > KSFH got the right largely because of KQED camped out on 88.5, which > precludes anything else from being on 88.1 or 88.3, and there > doesn't happen to be any TV6's in the Bay Area or nearby (itself > pretty unusual). Sacramento is not enormously far away from Mountain View, and the channel 6 there, KVIE, is an NCE. > Hey Scott - how exactly are all those LPTV's managing to get -CA > (Class A) protected status anyways? Isn't that kind of against the > point of LPTV's? They applied, and made claims about their programming. The status was created by Congress, and is open to any LPTV which (claims that it) meets certain local programming requirements. (Of course, the entire LPTV service itself -- as distinguished from translators -- was created by an earlier Congress.) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 26 10:30:16 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:30:16 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country Message-ID: <20081226153016.D7921CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Country on Cape Cod http://www.capecountry104.com/ The old site has a link to the new one. A "last played" application shows they've played the cover of "My Maria" by Brooks and Dunn, Tim McGraw, Rascal Flatts, etc. No word on when the Kennedy Compound in Hyannisport will be re-named the Circle K Ranch :) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Dec 26 12:20:03 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:20:03 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country In-Reply-To: <20081226153016.D7921CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081226153016.D7921CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49551243.6030203@ttlc.net> Somehow, *Bellezza Salon & MedSpa of Falmouth Village, doesn't seem to be a typical Country advertiser. Wonder if the Cape Code Young Professionals knew of the impending format switch when voting Cape Cod Broadcasting "Coolest Business of the Year" They are positioning themselves as a "Community Station" * Bob Nelson wrote: > Country on Cape Cod > > http://www.capecountry104.com/ > > The old site has a link to the new one. > A "last played" application shows they've played the cover of "My Maria" by Brooks and Dunn, > Tim McGraw, Rascal Flatts, etc. No word on when the Kennedy Compound in Hyannisport will > be re-named the Circle K Ranch :) > > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Dec 26 13:43:47 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:43:47 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country Message-ID: <20081226184347.59420CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Well maybe some of the cuts are pop crossovers (Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" for example) and some may like it. Perhaps an odd fit for the Cape but who knows. Wasn't 101.1 country for a time? As for advertisers, I'm reminded of the first episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" where we find out that some of the old sponsors are still around after the format change to rock: Venus Flytrap tells his listeners to get down; "together we will growl and HOWL..." (switches to a more mainstream radio voice) "--right after this message from Shady Hills Rest Home." :) From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri Dec 26 14:30:51 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:30:51 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country In-Reply-To: <20081226184347.59420CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081226184347.59420CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420812261130w104d5614n2ccf89840c1bd12b@mail.gmail.com> WCIB went country for a short while (6 to 9 months) 10-15 years ago. On 12/26/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Well maybe some of the cuts are pop crossovers (Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" > for example) and > some may like it. Perhaps an odd fit for the Cape but who knows. Wasn't > 101.1 country for a time? > > As for advertisers, I'm reminded of the first episode of "WKRP in > Cincinnati" where we find out > that some of the old sponsors are still around after the format change to > rock: Venus Flytrap tells his listeners to get down; > "together we will growl and HOWL..." > > (switches to a more mainstream radio voice) > > "--right after > this message from Shady Hills Rest Home." :) > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Dec 26 15:49:11 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:49:11 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 In-Reply-To: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49554347.9090801@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: >> KSFH got the right largely because of KQED camped out on 88.5, which >> precludes anything else from being on 88.1 or 88.3, and there >> doesn't happen to be any TV6's in the Bay Area or nearby (itself >> pretty unusual). > > Sacramento is not enormously far away from Mountain View, and the > channel 6 there, KVIE, is an NCE. > It's over 100 miles, and with a serious mountain range inbetween...I can see it from my hotel window! :-) Of course, I'm sure KSFH would prefer not to be on 87.9, but the radio dial was...and is...jammed solid here in the Bay Area. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 26 16:18:33 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:18:33 -0500 Subject: Broadcast Station Dropped By Comcast Message-ID: <20081226211833.7450160686D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Over the past year-and-a-half, Comcast has dropped several cable channels from basic analog, all the while upping the subscription price. I didn't get around to my Comcast bill until today (Friday, 12/26) and I noticed that the next channel to go is WYDN-TV, over-the-air channel 48, on Comcast, channel 23. This appears to be the first BROADCAST channel to be axed, but it appears that must-carry may not be a problem for the Lawrece/Methuen "service", since channel 48 couldn't have been picked up by most of the people being "served". I wouldn't be surprised to learn that channels 10 and 12 had better signals in both cities, because before cable, when I had a rooftop antenna, both Providence outlets came in fairly well, and VERY well many times a year, especially in the summer. WYDN-DT will be offered on a digital tier, but I won't be asking for it (although Pastor Hagee's show can be good for laughs). -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 26 16:24:27 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:24:27 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM Message-ID: <20081226212427.1CAB7BE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I heard a discussion between Bruce Ahnold and John Bassett on WCCM-AM 1110 that I joined in-progress. I inferred that Mr. Bassett was retiring, because the gist of what I heard were his plans now that he doesn't have to make the trek to Costa-Eagle World HQ in Methuen on business anymore; any trips to Methuen will be to take advantage of it many attractions. Both gentlemen appeared on the local access cable TV channel the other day, and indeed, John retired on the Friday after Thanksgiving. Apparently, he had a long and varied career in Boston radio before he was tapped by Curt Gowdy to become the GM of WCCM (maybe WCGY-FM too?). -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 26 20:32:10 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:32:10 -0500 Subject: WVOM to be simulcast on 103.3 Rockland Message-ID: <6703860229AE4F0AA68D63B8972583CF@DanBillingsPC> I caught the end of a promo tonight on Blueberry Broadcasting's 96.7 WCME stating that the talk programming was moving to 103.3 WMCM Rockland and that it would be a simulcast of 103.9 WVOM Howland. I only heard the end of the promo so I did not hear what is going to be broadcast on 96.7. The station currently runs syndicated talk. It shares some of the same programs as WVOM, but has different shows in morning and afternoon drive. WMCM is currently country. The 103.3/103.9 simulcast will cover a good portion of the state from Brunswick north and east. WVOM has a local morning show with Rick Tyler and George Hale. 96.7 carries Dave Ramsey in the afternoon. My guess is he gets bumped by Howie Carr which is carried on WVOM. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 26 20:49:50 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:49:50 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 In-Reply-To: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <61B8FA97DF0B4994AA3354E426CFBDFE@DanBillingsPC> As a cable customer, the only way the digital transition will impact me is with the loss of WCSH on 87.7. I often listen to the 6PM news on my way home from work. Bummer. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Dec 26 21:54:42 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:54:42 -0500 Subject: FM Channel 200 (87.9) after Feb 17 In-Reply-To: <61B8FA97DF0B4994AA3354E426CFBDFE@DanBillingsPC> References: <18772.29434.341195.925164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <61B8FA97DF0B4994AA3354E426CFBDFE@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <495598F2.9080904@gabrielmass.com> Dan Billings wrote: > As a cable customer, the only way the digital transition will impact me > is with the loss of WCSH on 87.7. I often listen to the 6PM news on my > way home from work. Bummer. Well, with a little tech-geekery, you can have your home PC record the 5 o'clock news, reduce it to an mp3 audio file, and send it to your phone (or your office e-mail) in the form of a podcast. Problem solved! --RC From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Dec 27 02:14:08 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:14:08 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country Message-ID: <20081227071408.4F53283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> WCIB--that's whom I was thinking of! Thanks. I heard a bit of Cape Country and they said, "Tired of trying to pick up a faraway country station?" (Referring to either WCTK 98.1 or WKLB 102.5) The idea was now the Cape did have a country station of their own. --Bob >>WCIB went country for a short while (6 to 9 months) 10-15 years ago. On 12/26/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Well maybe some of the cuts are pop crossovers (Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" > From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat Dec 27 11:42:20 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:42:20 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country In-Reply-To: <20081227071408.4F53283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081227071408.4F53283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420812270842w166b594cu453a52a776f4c23@mail.gmail.com> WCTK comes in like a local in Mashpee WKLB, not so good On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > WCIB--that's whom I was thinking of! Thanks. I heard a bit of Cape Country > and they said, "Tired of > trying to pick up a faraway country station?" (Referring to either WCTK > 98.1 or WKLB 102.5) The idea > was now the Cape did have a country station of their own. --Bob > > >>WCIB went country for a short while (6 to 9 months) 10-15 years ago. > > > On 12/26/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Well maybe some of the cuts are pop crossovers (Kid Rock's "All Summer > Long" > > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Dec 27 16:53:54 2008 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:53:54 EST Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/2008 12:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: Apparently, he had a long and varied career in Boston radio before he was tapped by Curt Gowdy to become the GM of WCCM (maybe WCGY-FM too?). John Bassett was the GM of WCGY also. I worked for him when I was there. Mike **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 27 18:07:15 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:07:15 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081227230727.CCFBE2022AF@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:53 PM 12/27/2008, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: >Apparently, he had a long and varied career in Boston radio >before he was tapped by Curt Gowdy to become the GM of WCCM (maybe WCGY-FM >too?). He goes all the way back to WBZ in the late 1950s. When WBZ dropped the last of its NBC network programming, circa 1957, they went live and local. They named their 5 air personalities "the Live Five." John Bassett was one of them. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Dec 27 20:44:14 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:44:14 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country Message-ID: <20081228014414.703CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I briefly went to Cape Cod today (Osterville) and found 98.1 WCTK does indeed come in very well (also on Rt 3, "off-Cape"). 103.9 does reach up into Plymouth County as well, of course. No doubt WKPE will try to brand themselves as the local guys, trying to get local advertisers. >>WCTK comes in like a local in Mashpee WKLB, not so good From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Dec 27 20:49:32 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:49:32 -0600 Subject: WKPE goes country In-Reply-To: <20081228014414.703CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081228014414.703CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812271749m76f6c999s9c0802b9adec0c52@mail.gmail.com> Well, WKLB is on 102.5 now.... For the longest time 102.3 from Truro was not on the air, but it's been on for the last year or so, so I bet that has something to do with it. Paul Walker On 12/27/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > > I briefly went to Cape Cod today (Osterville) and found 98.1 WCTK does > indeed come in very well (also on > Rt 3, "off-Cape"). 103.9 does reach up into Plymouth County as well, of > course. No doubt WKPE will > try to brand themselves as the local guys, trying to get local advertisers. > > >>WCTK comes in like a local in Mashpee > WKLB, not so good > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 27 21:27:33 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:27:33 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM References: <20081227230727.CCFBE2022AF@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <90025F1AEE2B4BF6AF7AD4C0E68FC84D@SatU205S5044> I wondered if it was THAT John Bassett. His program on WBZ was on in the early evening. I'm pretty sure it had a name (that is, it wasn't just "The John Bassett Show"), but I don't remember the name, nor do I remember the hours when it aired (best guess: 7:00PM to midnight). As I remember the original "Live Five, they were: Carl DeSuze in AM drive (probably 5:30 to 10:00), Leo Egan (late morning--probably 10:00 to 1:00), Bill Marlowe (early afternoon (1:00 to 3:00), Norm Prescott (PM drive 3:00 to 7:00), and Bassett. Dave Maynard was not one of the original five; he was working at WBZ-TV but not full time. His "day job" was at WORL 950, but he joined 'BZ within its first year as an indepedent station. When he joined BZ, my guess is that he initially replaced either Egan or Marlowe but moved into PM drive after a short while. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: ; Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: Re: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM > At 04:53 PM 12/27/2008, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: >>Apparently, he had a long and varied career in Boston radio >>before he was tapped by Curt Gowdy to become the GM of WCCM (maybe >>WCGY-FM >>too?). > > He goes all the way back to WBZ in the late 1950s. When WBZ dropped > the last of its NBC network programming, circa 1957, they went live > and local. They named their 5 air personalities "the Live Five." > John Bassett was one of them. From rbello@belloassoc.com Sun Dec 28 00:10:10 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:10:10 -0500 Subject: WKPE goes country In-Reply-To: <20081228014414.703CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081228014414.703CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420812272110pd3d6bb0o723752432614e019@mail.gmail.com> Problem for 103.9 WKPE is 103.7 WEEI-FM on the upper Cape. 102.3 is not a factor much past Orleans. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I briefly went to Cape Cod today (Osterville) and found 98.1 WCTK does > indeed come in very well (also on > Rt 3, "off-Cape"). 103.9 does reach up into Plymouth County as well, of > course. No doubt WKPE will > try to brand themselves as the local guys, trying to get local advertisers. > > >>WCTK comes in like a local in Mashpee > WKLB, not so good > > > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 28 20:51:26 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:51:26 -0500 Subject: WODS Now Running AT40-The 70's On Sundays Message-ID: <006701c96957$f6fc9770$0302a8c0@Mark> I heard a promo on WODS last night for "American Top 40-The 70's" which ran Sunday nights at 11 until the flip to all Christmas music. The promo states it now airs on Sundays at 10AM. Their website still shows it as running Sunday nights. Mark Watson From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 09:24:58 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act Message-ID: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anybody heard of the: ? http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-281A1.pdf ? ? The Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act (?Analog Nightlight Act? or ?Act?)1 requires the Commission to develop and implement a program by January 15, 2009, to ?encourage and permit? continued analog TV service after the February 17, 2009 DTV transition date, where technically feasible, for the purpose of providing ?public safety information? and ?DTV transition information? to viewers who may not obtain the necessary equipment to receive digital broadcasts after the transition date. ? ? John B Derry NH N1QGS From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 29 11:01:11 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com> John Bolduc wrote: > Has anybody heard of the: > > http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-281A1.pdf > > > The Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act (?Analog > Nightlight Act? or ?Act?)1 requires the Commission to develop and > implement a program by January 15, 2009, to ?encourage and permit? > continued analog TV service after the February 17, 2009 DTV > transition date, where technically feasible, for the purpose of > providing ?public safety information? and ?DTV transition > information? to viewers who may not obtain the necessary equipment to > receive digital broadcasts after the transition date. Yup. A classic example of Congressional "do-something"-ism. So a few analog stations (the ones on channels 2-13 and 21-51 that won't have their channels taken over by their own, or someone else's, digital signal) will keep the transmitter running for a few extra weeks (not that any of them have budgeted for the extra power bills, or even have the capability to provide a separate programming feed, complete with EAS, to their analog transmitters) to broadcast a repeating loop of DTV transition information to...who again, exactly? Does Congress really think that the small percentage of viewers who've consistently ignored the nonstop drumbeat of "get ready for DTV" messages for over a year now will suddenly pay attention just because there's nothing else on their analog-only screens to watch? (Or, even more laughably, that they'll stay tuned to a nonstop crawl of "CALL 1-888-DTV-2009" just on the off chance that there will be an emergency message somewhere in there that they need to see?) I predict that we'll see a few broadcasters keeping the analog up for a few days, maybe a week or so, and then shutting it off once they realize that they're shouting into a void. (And, frankly, anyone who wakes up on Feb. 18, 2009 having done nothing about the DTV transition and claims to be surprised to have no TV has probably been living in a void for quite some time now. I'm not talking about the percentage - probably a bit larger than anyone in the business wants to admit - who don't care whether or not they get TV, either because they don't watch at all, or they watch online, or they just rent DVDs; they, presumably, know and don't care about the transition, and that's fine.) s From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Dec 29 15:26:53 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:26:53 -0500 Subject: WLFE St. Albans to "pure rock" Message-ID: <20081229202653.C2C5649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Apparently WLFE in St Albans VT has changed to "pure rock radio" (I think it was country before going to Holiday music). The site has pictures including those of Ozzy Osbourne and Kurt Cobain, and a Listen Live link. http://www.purerock102.com/ Supposedly the change was at 10:23 am today, in line with their freq of 102.3 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 29 15:41:57 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:41:57 -0600 Subject: WLFE St. Albans to "pure rock" In-Reply-To: <20081229202653.C2C5649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081229202653.C2C5649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812291241l106e0aeo3651286a7f54a7@mail.gmail.com> And looking down further on the champlainradiogroup.com website, you see a link for their ESPN stations..1390, 1420 and 1490. The call letters for THAT 1390 are WCAT....where did the WCAT calls USED to be? In Orange Athol, MA on 700.. which used to be on.. 1390! Paul On 12/29/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Apparently WLFE in St Albans VT has changed to "pure rock radio" (I think > it was country before going > to Holiday music). The site has pictures including those of Ozzy Osbourne > and Kurt Cobain, and a > Listen Live link. > > http://www.purerock102.com/ > > Supposedly the change was at 10:23 am today, in line with their freq of > 102.3 > From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 18:28:41 2008 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: WLFE St. Albans to "pure rock" In-Reply-To: <20081229202653.C2C5649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <843302.20317.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:26:53 -0500 Bob Nelson wrote: > Apparently WLFE in St Albans VT has changed to "pure > rock radio" (I think it was country before going > to Holiday music). Indeed it was country for many years before the change to Holiday music. IMHO this format change has been needed for quite some time now. Last time I listened to "North Country 102.3 WLFE", they were bird-fed country and the station in general sounded incredibly hokey and low-quality for the coverage area of their signal. Granted, their signal is tiny compared to market leader WOKO (98.9 FM), but I expected a lot more from a station that covers the immediate Burlington VT and Plattsburgh NY areas easily. If they were ever programmed properly, WTNN (Eagle Country 97.5 FM) should have never been able to sign on and get a foothold in the market... Active Rock would not be my first choice of format for that neck of the woods, but they won't have any "true" direct competition for that format (99.9 The Buzz [WBTZ] is Modern Rock, and pretty much everything else up there rock related is straight classic rock). I personally think a direct CHR competitor to WXXX (95 Triple X) would've been a better and more profitable choice, but we will see how this shakes out. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY From sid@wrko.com Mon Dec 29 14:53:28 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:53:28 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com> References: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCF05A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Does Congress really think that the small percentage of viewers who've consistently ignored the nonstop drumbeat of "get ready for DTV" messages for over a year now will suddenly pay attention just because there's nothing else on their analog-only screens to watch? (Or, even more laughably, that they'll stay tuned to a nonstop crawl of "CALL 1-888-DTV-2009" just on the off chance that there will be an emergency message somewhere in there that they need to see?)<< Scott, Scott, Scott...how many times do your mother and I need to remind you that your propensity for clear and logical thinking doesn't exist in Congress? :-) Want some predictions? On 2/18/09, TV stations will be besieged with two types of phone calls: 1) "Why isn't my TV working?" (Proving, of course, that even when you hit people over the head with a baseball bat, a certain percentage still won't have your undivided attention.) 2) "You said I needed a converter box, and I didn't because I have cable (or satellite), so you lied to me." (Demonstrating the way the explanations of the transition have been at best confusing...I don't even want to think about "at worst"...) That funny YouTube video of the elderly woman trying to make sense of it all ("Will it bring back Jack Benny?") is going to turn out to be not so funny in a month and a half. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Dec 29 20:04:32 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:04:32 -0500 Subject: WLFE St. Albans to "pure rock" In-Reply-To: <843302.20317.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20081229202653.C2C5649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <843302.20317.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495973b2.c401be0a.740d.215e@mx.google.com> Matthew Osborne wrote: >I personally think a direct CHR competitor to WXXX (95 >Triple X) would've been a better and more profitable >choice, but we will see how this shakes out. I'm not so sure about that. Triple-X has been in the format for a long time, and last time I heard them I thought they were doing a very good job. I think they'd be a tough competitor to knock off. Also, CHR is not an easy format to sell...despite for the most part these days being an 18-34 female format, it still has a teen image, which is hard to pitch to advertisers. From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Dec 29 23:33:13 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:33:13 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger Message-ID: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> I recently received word that Joe Kruger passed away, a few of you older board members will recall Joe was the long time General Manager of Tarlow Associates stations 1430 Khz WIBL WHIL WWEL and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM WHIL-FM WWEL-FM Joe was a true gentleman and a man of his word, he did wondeful things under difficult conditions, WWEL-FM did quite well against entrenched WJIB who was owned at the time by General Electric who had very deep pockets. Joe always treated me like gold and I will be forever greatful Chris Hall Chris From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 00:22:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:22:43 -0600 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger In-Reply-To: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> References: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> Message-ID: <4fc429770812292122x29d0b8f6tf6d3f7106d850423@mail.gmail.com> I met him years ago and he told me that what kept WHIL-AM alive was an arrangement with the people who ran bookmaking in New England. Everyday he would air a half hour show with the race results from Suffolk, Rockingham or the Providence tracks and every bookie within 50 miles would listen. At the end of the show they would also announce the 4 digit mutual number that was used as an illegal lottery. WHIL-FM had a small but loyal cult following when they aired country. On 12/29/08, chris2526 wrote: > I recently received word that Joe Kruger passed away, a few of you > older board members will recall Joe was the long time General Manager > of Tarlow Associates stations 1430 Khz WIBL > WHIL > WWEL > > and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation > 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM > WHIL-FM > WWEL-FM > > Joe was a true gentleman and a man of his word, he did wondeful > things under difficult conditions, WWEL-FM did quite well against entrenched > WJIB who was owned at the time by General Electric > who had very deep pockets. > Joe always treated me like gold and I will be forever greatful > > Chris Hall > > Chris > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 30 00:31:58 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:31:58 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger In-Reply-To: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> References: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> Message-ID: <49596BFE.4313.4D2295@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Dec 2008 at 23:33, chris2526 wrote: > and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation > 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM > WHIL-FM > WWEL-FM WISK-FM? What was that? 107.9 started as WHIL-FM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 30 00:26:57 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:26:57 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCF05A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCF05A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49596AD1.23530.488A5F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Dec 2008 at 14:53, Sid Schweiger wrote: > That funny YouTube video of the elderly woman trying to make sense of > it all ("Will it bring back Jack Benny?") is going to turn out to be > not so funny in a month and a half. You mean it really will bring back Jack Benny? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 01:56:29 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:29 -0500 Subject: passing of Joe Kruger Message-ID: Wrong-wrong-wrong Joe Ross, 107.9 did not start out as WHIL-FM, it signed on as WISK-FM and then at a later date was changed to WHIL-FM. As I was CE there for many years I had the original WISK-FM 107.9 license and as I kid I heard the station on the air as WISK-FM! It may not have been WISK-FM very long but thats the way it was.. If I dig rreally deep I may even find something with WISK-FM on it Chris Hall From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 30 02:04:40 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:04:40 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM running "Big D A-to-Z" Message-ID: <002e01c96a4c$e3379820$27914c0c@oemcomputer> Looks like Hartford's WDRC-FM is copying New York's WCBS-FM and emptying out its music library for a few days. The songs started at 7:30 Monday morning with 1910 Fruitgum Company's "1, 2, 3, Red Light" and Len Barry's "1-2-3," and have continued since, including the voicetracked overnight hours. They're in the "C's" right now -- about 2 a.m. Tuesday -- with the Guess Who's "Clap For the Wolfman" having just followed Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Clair." No indication when they'll be reaching the final song. I've heard some real off-beat ones so far: Jefferson's "Baby Take Me In Your Arms," Joe Bennett and the Sparkletones' "Black Slacks," Sonny Charles and the Checkmates' "Black Pearl." Too bad for many on this list that this station remains one of the Web streaming holdouts, having pulled its stream back in April 2001 in protest of the additional fees for voice-over talent in commercials. Howard ("Classical Gas" just played, followed by "Cleanup Woman.") From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 29 19:21:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:21:30 -0600 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com> References: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770812291621h1be53dbu720054b59a304d9b@mail.gmail.com> The infomercal that Comcast has been running on some local stations are also confusing people. I suspect it will be a hectic few days after the switchover but it may not be as bad in Boston given what happened to WFXT. From fox893@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 06:15:48 2008 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:15:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: WLFE St. Albans to "pure rock" In-Reply-To: <495973b2.c401be0a.740d.215e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <135183.80991.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they did try that, it would not be the first time. Back in 2002, when WXAL began simulcasting with WLKC we were told that the plan was to take on WXXX (ALICE) head on. Based on what I had seen/heard in the past, I had to stifle my laughter. I'm sure it can be done, but not with the plan they had laid out. > > > I personally think a direct CHR competitor to WXXX (95 > > Triple X) would've been a better and more > profitable > > choice, but we will see how this shakes out. > > > I'm not so sure about that. Triple-X has been in the > format for a long time, and last time I heard them I thought > they were doing a very good job. I think they'd be a > tough competitor to knock off. > Also, CHR is not an easy format to sell...despite for the > most part these days being an 18-34 female format, it still > has a teen image, which is hard to pitch to advertisers. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 30 06:45:59 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:45:59 -0500 Subject: passing of Joe Kruger References: Message-ID: <32A1CD15804F49BBA2D7AA39370D16CE@SatU205S5044> You are likely, then, to remember how WHIL (I guess it must have been WIBL at some point--that part, I hadn't heard about) started out as a 250W daytimer on 1540 and, within a few days, ran smack into WMEX; there's a pretty clear salt-water path between Squantum and Wellington Circle. WMEX claimed that there was prohibited overlap between the two stations' 25 mV/m contours. WHIL said no but admitted to having checked only one radial. Well, it became clear quite quickly that WMEX was right, although it is unclear how nobody at WMEX had noticed the problem when the 1540 application was first filed. It is also unclear why anyone would want to build a daytimer on 1540 in Boston when 50 kW WPTR with a killer daytime skywave was co-channel and only about 170 airline miles away. Anyhow, WHIL threw up its hands and appealed to the FCC to "find us another frequency." Can you imagine that working today? It never was the FCC's job, but the commission did find 1430. Class II-D stations were allowed to run 250W-D. Class IIs weren't permitted on the the 1430 regional channel, however, so the newly minted WHIL 1430 was required to increase to 500W-D so it could become a full-fledged Class III-D. And WHIL was allowed to sign on year-round at 4:00AM EST at a time when Class II-D stations were not permitted to operate pre-sunrise. The result was that WHIL instantly became a much better and more valuable facility. Later on, it increased power first to 1 kW-D and later to 5 kW-D, before adding night service with 1 kW-DA (in the late '70s, I believe). WHIL's exit from 1540 also made room for WNTN on 1550 in the late '60s. And somewhere along the line, a 1 kW daytimer appeared on 1540 in Newport RI (WADK). I doubt that WADK could have been built if WHIL had remained on 1540--but I'm not sure of that. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris2526" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: passing of Joe Kruger > Wrong-wrong-wrong Joe Ross, 107.9 did not start out as WHIL-FM, it > signed on as WISK-FM and then at a later date was changed to > WHIL-FM. > > As I was CE there for many years I had the original WISK-FM 107.9 > license and as I kid I heard the station on the air as WISK-FM! > It may not have been WISK-FM very long but thats the way it was.. > If I dig rreally deep I may even find something with WISK-FM on it > > Chris Hall From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Dec 30 07:27:50 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:50 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM running "Big D A-to-Z" In-Reply-To: <002e01c96a4c$e3379820$27914c0c@oemcomputer> References: <002e01c96a4c$e3379820$27914c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <983E3C94-166F-4109-BE77-2E5BD10AD16C@frontiernet.net> On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:04 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > Looks like Hartford's WDRC-FM is copying New York's WCBS-FM and > emptying out > its music library for a few days.... > > I've heard some real off-beat ones so far: Joe Bennett and the > Sparkletones' "Black Slacks," "Off-beat"? Gee, I always thought "Black Slacks" was part of mainstream 50s rock! Bud Hippisley From ewerme@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 08:01:14 2008 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:01:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act Message-ID: <20081230130114.CE6505E05D@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 29 Dec 2008 at 14:53, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> That funny YouTube video of the elderly woman trying to make sense of >> it all ("Will it bring back Jack Benny?") is going to turn out to be > not so funny in a month and a half. > You mean it really will bring back Jack Benny? Wow, haven't heard that name in a while, how is he now? Must be at least 39. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:01:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:01:42 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <49596AD1.23530.488A5F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <60473.33591.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4958F447.7040105@fybush.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCF05A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49596AD1.23530.488A5F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <495A29C6.3040603@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > You mean it really will bring back Jack Benny? Only in Rochester. Bill O' From lspin@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 09:11:50 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:11:50 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger In-Reply-To: <4fc429770812292122x29d0b8f6tf6d3f7106d850423@mail.gmail.com> References: <5B726B441970409F98434780BBE32B38@Chicken159> <4fc429770812292122x29d0b8f6tf6d3f7106d850423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c96a88$8f282880$ad787980$@net> I can remember when I was a kid in the 60s, my dad would turn the radio onto WHIL every night at 5:00pm to hear the race results and, "the number." It usually meant tuning away from WMEX, a very unpopular thing to do at our house. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:23 AM I met him years ago and he told me that what kept WHIL-AM alive was an arrangement with the people who ran bookmaking in New England. Everyday he would air a half hour show with the race results from Suffolk, Rockingham or the Providence tracks and every bookie within 50 miles would listen. At the end of the show they would also announce the 4 digit mutual number that was used as an illegal lottery. From yackums@gmail.com Mon Dec 29 08:40:48 2008 From: yackums@gmail.com (Roland Yackum) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:40:48 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM Message-ID: Never forget that he ran one of the great local stations the region has ever seen, maybe even the last AM/FM in the country where a 1kw daytimer clobbered its sister full-powered FM in influence and revenue (kindly spare us scholarly tomes on the meaning of full-powered. Thank you.) Even after the sale to Costa/Eagle and a couple of frequency shifts, they were still fighting to hold the local commitment, even when finances dictated ever-increasing ethnic and brokered time hours and left WCCM without a news staff, ironic given the number of very talented people who passed through that facility over the years. Bassett could have retired years ago had he not entrusted his retirement stake to Curt's son's investment acumen. Now for today's trivia question: What do the call letters stand for? I've never seen it on any of the lists that circulate from time to time. From mrschuyler@aol.com Mon Dec 29 09:45:42 2008 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:45:42 -0500 Subject: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 Message-ID: <8CB37DB423E0D0C-EC-49@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com> Greetings from the Lunar Iceberg, alias Lunenburg, Gateway to Townsend.? Twelve days without power here on the Hilltop of Great Reception.? Thank goodness for AM 1280 the Blend, a/k/a WEIM in Fitchburg. Morning host/station manager Ben Parker (formerly of WRKO) and his news director Scott May put in marathon hours, keeping grateful listeners informed and reassured.? Longtime former morning man Ray C, now the station's public service director, came out of semi-retirement to anchor some afternoon and evening coverage.? Weekenders and the gentlemen who host the late night Spanish programming pitched in. When the station lost power during the storm, the City of Fitchburg provided back up generators for the studio's STL and the Alpine Road transmitter.? That's probably the main reason why WEIM was at reduced power.? The other local AMs, WCMX 1000 Leominster and WFGL 960 Fitchburg stayed off for days on end.? They didn't have a prayer. AM 1280 expanded its live, local morning show until noontime, and broke into syndicated shows (John Tesh, Billy Bush, AT-40, etc.) with regular updates.? Parker and Company took calls from local city and town officials as well as regular folks with all sorts of useful information, such as where the emergency shelters were, which streets to avoid, and where the power was and wasn't restored. Boston media shunned us.? The first couple days apparently struck WBZ Radio's anchors as a novelty rather than a crisis.??After many of us had been in the cold and dark for a week, THEN it became a story.? It was as if the Fitchburg-Leominster area had been suddenly moved west of the Daniel Shays Highway, judging from the major market's reaction.? On Channel 4's 11 o'clock news on December 21 (as I saw?at a friend's apartment in Leominster because Lunenburg was still 50% powerless), Mayor Lisa Wong of Fitchburg was identified by the Chyron operator as "Lisa Wall."? Thanks for adding insult to injury, CBS! I spent the first week of this disaster living across the street at a neighbor's house.? He had running water and a working fireplace; my house had neither.? I sat late into the night, staring into the fire, listening to my faithful dog snore while my portable radio played whatever programming AM 1280 was broadcasting at the moment.? I discovered two things: (1) Despite how obnoxious he seems to me on TV, Billy Bush does one helluva good radio show. (2) The need to preserve, protect and defend community-oriented local stations, especially ones located in No Man's Land, is absolutely critical to the public interest, convenience, necessity, and in this case safety.? WEIM saved lives. ---James Eric Schuyler ?? former radio Chyron operator From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 30 15:20:14 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:20:14 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger Message-ID: <20081230202014.31F4347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: chris2526 >Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:31:58 -0500 >On 29 Dec 2008 at 23:33, chris2526 wrote: > and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM > WHIL-FM > WWEL-FM >WISK-FM? What was that? >107.9 started as WHIL-FM. For at least one issue, the Vane A. Jones North American Radio-TV Log gave the call letters WISK for the 107.9 operation in Medford. I have no recollection of ever hearing those calls, though. I believe that by the time I became aware of a weak FM at 107.9 transmitting from a valley, the call letters in use were WHIL-FM. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 30 15:41:00 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:41:00 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act Message-ID: <20081230204100.4956F1CE910@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" >Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:01:42 -0500 >A. Joseph Ross wrote: > You mean it really will bring back Jack Benny? >Only in Rochester. >Bill O' Also, Livingston, Montana. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 30 16:18:48 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:18:48 -0500 Subject: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 In-Reply-To: <8CB37DB423E0D0C-EC-49@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB37DB423E0D0C-EC-49@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c96ac4$355818b0$a0084a10$@com> > > ---James Eric Schuyler > ?? former radio Chyron operator [Brian Vita] Now there's a job that doesn't get enough appreciation. Brian From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 30 17:06:47 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:06:47 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger In-Reply-To: <20081230202014.31F4347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081230202014.31F4347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <495A5527.10434.AD574E@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Dec 2008 Laurence Glavin wrote: > For at least one issue, the Vane A. Jones North American Radio-TV Log > gave the call letters WISK for the 107.9 operation in Medford. I have > no recollection of ever hearing those calls, though. I believe that > by the time I became aware of a weak FM at 107.9 transmitting from a > valley, the call letters in use were WHIL-FM. I seem to remember "program tests" on a Sunday afternoon, lasting for about an hour, using the WHIL-FM call letters. The Boston Radio Archives has no mention of the WISK-FM calls. If those calls were ever assigned, they would seem to have been gone by the time the station actually went on the air. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 17:31:55 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:31:55 -0500 Subject: Major purge at WTIC Message-ID: <005601c96ace$7683dbd0$638b9370$@net> Another round of layoffs at CBS-Hartford. WTIC (AM) morning co-host Diane Smith and afternoon host Colin McEnroe are out. Ray Dunaway will work solo in the morning, but his show will end an hour earlier at 9. A news block will air during afternoon drive. Courant story at http://www.courant.com/entertainment/tv/hcu-mcenroesmithwtic-1230,0,5035112. story From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 30 17:28:39 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:28:39 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM Message-ID: <20081230222839.EC80711581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Yackum" >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:40:48 -0500 >Never forget that he ran one of the great local stations the region has ever >seen, maybe even the last AM/FM in the country where a 1kw daytimer >clobbered its sister full-powered FM in influence and revenue (kindly spare >us scholarly tomes on the meaning of full-powered. Thank you.) Even after >the sale to Costa/Eagle and a couple of frequency shifts, they were still >fighting to hold the local commitment, even when finances dictated >ever-increasing ethnic and brokered time hours and left WCCM without a news >staff, ironic given the number of very talented people who passed through >that facility over the years. >Bassett could have retired years ago had he not entrusted his retirement >stake to Curt's son's investment acumen. >Now for today's trivia question: What do the call letters stand for? I've >never seen it on any of the lists that circulate from time to time. It's a creative right-to-left Roman Numeral for 800. Sometimes you can develop a Roman Numeral by ADDING letters to right. So '6' is 'V' (5) + I (1), VI. Channel 56 (analog) did it by adding 'VI' to the Roman Numeral for 50, 'L', thus WLVI. (It's quite a coincidence that their DTV assignment. channel 41, is also a 3-letter Roman Numeral: XLI; I wonder if they'll take the call letters WXLI next year.) Using ADDED letters, the conventional method of writing 800 wuld be DCCC. However, you can generate a Roman Numeral by SUBTRACTION, by placing the subtractor to the left. Thus '9' is 'I', one, placed to the left of 'X' 10: 'IX'. Using this method. you place two 'C's, representing 200, to the left of 'M, 1,000: voila 800! At its current frequency, 1110, and using "be read as One-thousand, one-hundred and ten (hey, this is like doing an imitation of fellow-Wikipedia editor Kaimbridge Goldchild!) Thus 'M', one thousand; 'C', one-hundred; and 'X', ten. (Eleven-ten could be read as 'XIX', but that's actually 19, and is used by WXIX-TV in Cincinnati.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 30 17:35:31 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:35:31 -0500 Subject: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 Message-ID: <20081230223531.B1232606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: mrschuyler@aol.com >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:45:42 -0500 >Greetings from the Lunar Iceberg, alias Lunenburg, Gateway to >Townsend.? Twelve days without power here on the Hilltop of Great >Reception.? Thank goodness for AM 1280 the Blend, a/k/a WEIM in >Fitchburg. >Morning host/station manager Ben Parker (formerly of WRKO) and his >news director Scott May put in marathon hours, keeping grateful >listeners informed and reassured.? Longtime former morning man Ray >C, now the station's public service director, came out of >semi-retirement to anchor some afternoon and evening coverage.? >Weekenders and the gentlemen who host the late night Spanish >programming pitched in. >When the station lost power during the storm, the City of Fitchburg >provided back up generators for the studio's STL and the Alpine >Road transmitter.? That's probably the main reason why WEIM was at >reduced power.? The other local AMs, WCMX 1000 Leominster and WFGL >960 Fitchburg stayed off for days on end.? They didn't have a >prayer. Was this an UNINTENTIONAL pun, or did you you plan it that way, because both outlets are "religion"-formatted stations. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Dec 30 17:52:00 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:52:00 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act In-Reply-To: <20081230204100.4956F1CE910@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081230204100.4956F1CE910@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCF83A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>> You mean it really will bring back Jack Benny? >Only in Rochester. Also, Livingston, Montana.<< Not to mention Anaheim, Azusa and Cucamunga. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 30 17:40:17 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:40:17 -0500 Subject: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 Message-ID: <20081230224017.796BF478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Vita" >To: mrschuyler@aol.com, boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: RE: WEIM's heroic effort - Ice Storm '08 >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:18:48 -0500 > > ---James Eric Schuyler > ?? former radio Chyron operator >[Brian Vita] >Now there's a job that doesn't get enough appreciation. >Brian I imagine that at stations with RDS, it could be a full-time job. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Dec 30 18:01:47 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:01:47 -0500 Subject: It's Official: John Bassett Retires As GM Of WCCM In-Reply-To: <20081230222839.EC80711581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081230222839.EC80711581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20081230230149.D55DE44C05F@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 05:28 PM 12/30/2008, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >Never forget that he ran one of the great local stations the region has ever > >seen, maybe even the last AM/FM in the country where a 1kw daytimer > >clobbered its sister full-powered FM in influence and revenue (kindly spare > >us scholarly tomes on the meaning of full-powered. Thank you.) Even after > >the sale to Costa/Eagle and a couple of frequency shifts, they were still > >fighting to hold the local commitment, even when finances dictated > >ever-increasing ethnic and brokered time hours and left WCCM without a news > >staff, ironic given the number of very talented people who passed through > >that facility over the years. The WCCM was a requested call letter when the station's original owner, George H. Jaspert (who was originally with Westinghouse and served as an exec for WBZ in its formative years) put it on the air 6 August 1947. From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 21:10:01 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:10:01 -0500 Subject: Passing of Joe Kruger References: <20081230202014.31F4347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Hi Laurence, though not necessarily very organized there were many file cabinets in Medford. These contained every document and even Western Union telegraphs to and from the FCC from planning stages of WIBL on 1540 and starting with the application process of the 107.9 Medford allocation. I had the original WISK-FM construction permit, telegram giving program test authority and license granted under the WISK-FM call letters. I agree they were not in use very long before being changed to WHIL-FM I remember to this day one of my best friends parents had just purchased a new Magnavox console stereo and he wanted to play a record for me by a new musical rising star....Wayne Newton of all people. When I saw that it had an AM-FM tuner I went nuts....he said what the hell is that? That day was the one and only time I ever heard WUPY-FM 105.3 licensed to Lynn broadcasting from Peabody, from then on I begged him to let me check out the FM stations, one of these sessions hearing WISK-FM, Medford at 107.9 a one shot deal. I cannot remember what type of music was being played. Somewhere amongst my treasures I may have some thing with the WISK-FM call letters, possibly promotional material. In my younger days going through all the stuff in those file cabinets were what I imagined heaven must be like so with every one of the original participants long gone I am by default have the most knowledge person of the 1430 and 107.9 frequencies still alive. Though Arnie Ginsburg was around for quite a while, even in those days if it was something he was involved with or interested him, his memory was only fair to good. He never had much interest in details involving things of this nature.....the kind of useless stuff we all live for. In the 90's while working at CBS as the defacto transmitter engineer while doing much of the upgrading of the WRKO and WHDH transmitter sites I had an equally thrilling time going through a half century of RKO General (AM-FM and also TV moved to RKO upon the sale of channel 7) and paperwork of WHDH AM-FM-TV all stored at the AM transmitter. I had to throw away many 30 yard dumpsters keeping a few things here and there. Now a days history and tradition are totally disposable like the WHDH call letters Happy New Year, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "chris2526" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: chris2526 >Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:31:58 -0500 >On 29 Dec 2008 at 23:33, chris2526 wrote: > and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM > WHIL-FM > WWEL-FM >WISK-FM? What was that? >107.9 started as WHIL-FM. For at least one issue, the Vane A. Jones North American Radio-TV Log gave the call letters WISK for the 107.9 operation in Medford. I have no recollection of ever hearing those calls, though. I believe that by the time I became aware of a weak FM at 107.9 transmitting from a valley, the call letters in use were WHIL-FM. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 30 22:05:22 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:05:22 -0500 Subject: Marvin Burak (was Re: passing of Joe Kruger) References: <688EFE45FB9542B1B05A199C2EFFC349@SatU205S5044> <35C79D3C905849FB8E90A90D1719EFDF@Chicken159> Message-ID: <779137BC12784B5C85F1828E23827BE1@SatU205S5044> Do you also remember Marvin Burak (and his wife)? Marvin was the guy from New Orleans who did Boston's first FM call-in talk show late nights on WHIL-FM right after the station first went on the air. His wife was the producer, IIRC. I don't think WHIL had a tape delay system so I think Marvin had to repeat what the callers said, Sherm Feller style. Marvin was not what I'd call a major-market talent;>) BTW, for the person (I think it was Laurence) who called WHIL-FM a low-power station, well, yes and no. Class B FMs were limited to 20 kW @ 500' AAT in those days. WHIL-FM ran the full 20 kW. But the antenna (I think it was a high gain job with maybe six bays) was side-mounted on the WHIL (AM) tower, so the HAAT was only a tad more than 100'--definitely not competitive even in an era when I don't think any Boston-area FM (except maybe WGBH-FM) had an HAAT much higher than 500'. IIRC, neither the Pru nor any of the Newton/Needham tall towers had yet been built. FMs and TVs were scattered all around the area: Old Hancock Building, Zion Hill, Medford Hillside, Lexington, Great Blue Hill, Brighton. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris2526" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: passing of Joe Kruger > Hi Dan, you are 100% correct on this one, remember how it played out > further....Simon Geller applied for 1540 in Gloucester keeping WMEX > from going 50 KW day from Squantum and when the Richmonds > discovered it was one of their own transmitter engineers causing > their > problem they fired him. > Years later it moved and morphed into WKXR which I almost bought > along with the FM for peanuts in the early 80's > Judge Tarlow kept everything including every Western Union telegram > from the FCC, original WIBL tower was on Revere Beach Parkway > in the area where 93 crosses, when the Judge bought the Medford dump > was when 1430 appeared with 500 watts at # 99 > Happy New Year > Chris From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Dec 31 03:59:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:59:28 -0600 Subject: WRKO transmitter Re: Passing of Joe Kruger Message-ID: <4fc429770812310059k513ef6bfk4f285696e24d7e06@mail.gmail.com> Chris I know in the early 70's that WRKO had a system that recorded everything on the station in very long play vinal. These disks could store 12-24 hours of programming. The transmitter was still manned then and one of the few tasks the tech did was reload the recorder. Any idea of what might have happened to them? I would guess the quality was not to great but it would be something if they still exist today. On 12/30/08, chris2526 wrote: > Hi Laurence, though not necessarily very organized there were many file > cabinets in Medford. These contained every document and even Western Union > telegraphs to and from the FCC from planning stages of WIBL on 1540 and > starting with the application process of the 107.9 Medford allocation. > > I had the original WISK-FM construction permit, telegram giving program test > authority and license granted under the WISK-FM call letters. > > I agree they were not in use very long before being changed to > WHIL-FM I remember to this day one of my best friends parents had just > purchased a new Magnavox console stereo and he wanted to play a record for > me by a new musical rising star....Wayne Newton of all people. > > When I saw that it had an AM-FM tuner I went nuts....he said what the hell > is that? > That day was the one and only time I ever heard WUPY-FM 105.3 > licensed to Lynn broadcasting from Peabody, from then on I begged him > to let me check out the FM stations, one of these sessions hearing > WISK-FM, Medford at 107.9 a one shot deal. I cannot remember what > type of music was being played. > Somewhere amongst my treasures I may have some thing with > the WISK-FM call letters, possibly promotional material. > > In my younger days going through all the stuff in those file cabinets > were what I imagined heaven must be like so with every one > of the original participants long gone I am by default have the most > knowledge person of the 1430 and 107.9 frequencies still alive. > Though Arnie Ginsburg was around for quite a while, even in those > days if it was something he was involved with or interested him, > his memory was only fair to good. He never had much interest in > details involving things of this nature.....the kind of useless stuff > we all live for. > > In the 90's while working at CBS as the defacto transmitter engineer > while doing much of the upgrading of the WRKO and WHDH transmitter > sites I had an equally thrilling time going through a half century of > RKO General (AM-FM and also TV moved to RKO upon the sale > of channel 7) and paperwork of WHDH AM-FM-TV all stored > at the AM transmitter. > I had to throw away many 30 yard dumpsters keeping a few > things here and there. > Now a days history and tradition are totally disposable like the > WHDH call letters > > Happy New Year, > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "chris2526" > > Cc: "boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "A. Joseph Ross" >>To: chris2526 >>Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >>Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:31:58 -0500 > >>On 29 Dec 2008 at 23:33, chris2526 wrote: > >> and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM >> WHIL-FM >> WWEL-FM > >>WISK-FM? What was that? > >>107.9 started as WHIL-FM. > > For at least one issue, the Vane A. Jones North American Radio-TV Log > gave the call letters WISK for the 107.9 operation in Medford. I have > no recollection of ever hearing those calls, though. I believe that > by the time I became aware of a weak FM at 107.9 transmitting from a valley, > the call letters in use were WHIL-FM. > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Dec 31 02:14:42 2008 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:14:42 -0500 Subject: Short-term Analog Flash and Emergency Readiness Act Message-ID: <495B1BE2.4060303@gmail.com> The reporting on the results the Wilmington, NC "test" of the early DTV switchover indicated the biggest problem people seemed to have was adjusting expectations of what was a viable antenna setup and what wasn't; a lot of folks just couldn't get their converter box to work and the reasons seemed evenly split between people who had mediocre analog reception before that wasn't enough signal to work with a converter box, and people who just couldn't get the TV to work with the converter box (usually more the fault of poorly-designed UI's on TV than on the converter box itself). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From atolz@comcast.net Wed Dec 31 16:42:07 2008 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:42:07 -0500 Subject: WRKO transmitter Re: Passing of Joe Kruger References: <4fc429770812310059k513ef6bfk4f285696e24d7e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D7A1DF0CD3D421F9431C124122FEE96@mediacenter> WRKO used "Metrotech" recorders and reels of thin ply tape to record each day's programming when I was there in the early '80s. The recorders moved quite slowly and each reel held 24 hours on each side of the tape. They kept the tapes for 30 days and then recycled them. The recorders - two of them, as I recall - were in a room across from the engineering office at 3 Fenway Plaza. I have no idea where those tapes are today. Alan Tolz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "chris2526" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: WRKO transmitter Re: Passing of Joe Kruger > Chris > > I know in the early 70's that WRKO had a system that recorded > everything on the station in very long play vinal. These disks could > store 12-24 hours of programming. The transmitter was still manned > then and one of the few tasks the tech did was reload the recorder. > > Any idea of what might have happened to them? > I would guess the quality was not to great but it would be something > if they still exist today. > > On 12/30/08, chris2526 wrote: >> Hi Laurence, though not necessarily very organized there were many file >> cabinets in Medford. These contained every document and even Western >> Union >> telegraphs to and from the FCC from planning stages of WIBL on 1540 and >> starting with the application process of the 107.9 Medford allocation. >> >> I had the original WISK-FM construction permit, telegram giving program >> test >> authority and license granted under the WISK-FM call letters. >> >> I agree they were not in use very long before being changed to >> WHIL-FM I remember to this day one of my best friends parents had just >> purchased a new Magnavox console stereo and he wanted to play a record >> for >> me by a new musical rising star....Wayne Newton of all people. >> >> When I saw that it had an AM-FM tuner I went nuts....he said what the >> hell >> is that? >> That day was the one and only time I ever heard WUPY-FM 105.3 >> licensed to Lynn broadcasting from Peabody, from then on I begged him >> to let me check out the FM stations, one of these sessions hearing >> WISK-FM, Medford at 107.9 a one shot deal. I cannot remember what >> type of music was being played. >> Somewhere amongst my treasures I may have some thing with >> the WISK-FM call letters, possibly promotional material. >> >> In my younger days going through all the stuff in those file cabinets >> were what I imagined heaven must be like so with every one >> of the original participants long gone I am by default have the most >> knowledge person of the 1430 and 107.9 frequencies still alive. >> Though Arnie Ginsburg was around for quite a while, even in those >> days if it was something he was involved with or interested him, >> his memory was only fair to good. He never had much interest in >> details involving things of this nature.....the kind of useless stuff >> we all live for. >> >> In the 90's while working at CBS as the defacto transmitter engineer >> while doing much of the upgrading of the WRKO and WHDH transmitter >> sites I had an equally thrilling time going through a half century of >> RKO General (AM-FM and also TV moved to RKO upon the sale >> of channel 7) and paperwork of WHDH AM-FM-TV all stored >> at the AM transmitter. >> I had to throw away many 30 yard dumpsters keeping a few >> things here and there. >> Now a days history and tradition are totally disposable like the >> WHDH call letters >> >> Happy New Year, >> >> Chris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Glavin" >> To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "chris2526" >> >> Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "A. Joseph Ross" >>>To: chris2526 >>>Cc: "boston Radio Interest" >>>Subject: Re: Passing of Joe Kruger >>>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:31:58 -0500 >> >>>On 29 Dec 2008 at 23:33, chris2526 wrote: >> >>> and in 1960 obtained Bostons last open FM allocation 107.9 Mhz WISK-FM >>> WHIL-FM >>> WWEL-FM >> >>>WISK-FM? What was that? >> >>>107.9 started as WHIL-FM. >> >> For at least one issue, the Vane A. Jones North American Radio-TV Log >> gave the call letters WISK for the 107.9 operation in Medford. I have >> no recollection of ever hearing those calls, though. I believe that >> by the time I became aware of a weak FM at 107.9 transmitting from a >> valley, >> the call letters in use were WHIL-FM. >> >> -- >> Be Yourself @ mail.com! >> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >> >> > From mrschuyler@aol.com Wed Dec 31 09:45:41 2008 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:45:41 -0500 Subject: WEIM's Ice Storm efforts, part two Message-ID: <8CB396D968D69A0-13A8-DF@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> I wrote: >The other local AMs, WCMX 1000 Leominster and WFGL >960 Fitchburg stayed off for days on end.? They didn't have a >prayer. Mr. Glavin asked: >Was this an UNINTENTIONAL pun, or did you you plan it that way, because both outlets are "religion"-formatted stations. Jeebus!?I can't believe you asked that, but I've been told we all have our crosses to bear and now we've got Living Proof.?(Well, not yet; it's still just a CP.) Bill O'Neill seems dubious about the existance of Radio Chyron Operators.?Before falling victims to recent budget cuts, we RCOs were responsible for transcribing all the ultra-right talk shows on the "liberal medium" of AM radio, in an effort to provide closed-captioning for the hearing impaired.?Sadly, we could do nothing for the thinking impaired,?so we've gone the way of the Buggy-Whip Repair Man. --- One other great thing AM 1280 The Blend did during the storm aftermath was a special show they had probably planned to do anyway.? On the Saturday before Christmas, Ben Parker arranged for a "special satellite hookup" to the North Pole so that local kids could call in and talk to Santa Claus.?That may sound pretty sappy, but you should have heard it.?Santa was in rare form, sounding just a little bit like newsman Scott May.?The kids calls were sometimes quite poignant.?Some just wanted the?electricity to come back.?Some asked for gifts for their siblings.?And some requested their favorite Christmas songs, which were played intermittently throughout this touching, funny, old-fashioned but decidedly NOT corny program. James Eric Schuyler king of all tedium From as@shawsheen.com Wed Dec 31 15:52:56 2008 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:52:56 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone Message-ID: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> Old news about NBC Weather Plus going down the toilet nationally, but WHDH finally shut down the service on their second digital channel today, apparently opting to put a 480i version of their main programming on the channel as "WHDH-SD." Will be interesting to find out what they plan for 7.2 next year, if anything. Maybe free up the bandwidth for their primary channel? -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From billohno@gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:53:53 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:53:53 -0500 Subject: WEIM's Ice Storm efforts, part two In-Reply-To: <8CB396D968D69A0-13A8-DF@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB396D968D69A0-13A8-DF@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495C0611.6040302@gmail.com> mrschuyler@aol.com wrote: > Bill O'Neill seems dubious about the existance of Radio Chyron Operators.? Nope! Not me. It was someone else in this string (not sure either). I have never been dubious about the existence of RCOs. Happy Gnu Year, all. I'll be the token sober guy on the block tonight. (Okay, Vermont doesn't have "blocks" but...) Being a volunteer EMT in Vermont means you're 24/7/365 and 'amateur night' tends to be chock full of challenges. Drive safely! Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 31 19:10:31 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:10:31 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Alexander Svirsky > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:53 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone > > > Will be interesting to find out what they plan for 7.2 next year, if > anything. Maybe free up the bandwidth for their primary channel? > My understanding (I only work here, so what do I know? Mushroom theory at work!) is that there is an NBC Universal movie channel in the works. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Dec 31 19:44:52 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:44:52 -0500 Subject: WRKO transmitter Re: Passing of Joe Kruger In-Reply-To: <4D7A1DF0CD3D421F9431C124122FEE96@mediacenter> References: <4fc429770812310059k513ef6bfk4f285696e24d7e06@mail.gmail.com> <4D7A1DF0CD3D421F9431C124122FEE96@mediacenter> Message-ID: <495C1204.108@ttlc.net> Alan Tolz wrote: > WRKO used "Metrotech" recorders and reels of thin ply tape to record > each day's programming when I was there in the early '80s. The > recorders moved quite slowly and each reel held 24 hours on each side > of the tape. They kept the tapes for 30 days and then recycled them. > > The recorders - two of them, as I recall - were in a room across from > the engineering office at 3 Fenway Plaza. > > I have no idea where those tapes are today. When I worked at RKO General (4/70 - 1/73)(Government Center) two Metrotech recorders were located in racks (in the Automation Room of WROR-FM) along with tuners for WRKO, WROR-FM & WNAC-TV. They were 4-channel with AM, FM, TV & CHU (for time stamp) filling the tracks. Each night shortly before midnight, the idle recorder was started and the active recorder was allowed to run tape out. It was then re-loaded and made ready for the following night's recording. The idle recorder could also used for playback whenever it was necessary to recover on-air audio. My recollection was that they were uni-directional i.e. all 4 channels of 1/4 track configuration were used simultaneously and there were no unused channels in the opposite direction. They used 10.5 inch NAB reels. I recall the sad day that one of us techs was asked to dub off incriminating evidence subsequently used to fire another of our brethren. From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 31 20:27:12 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:27:12 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> References: <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> Message-ID: WCSH is still running a Weather Plus subchannel with local news and weather briefs running over and over. They also have a 10 PM news.