From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Aug  1 00:31:14 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:31:14 -0400
Subject: Could I get an opinion?
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<<On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:59:47 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> question:  in our YouTube and scandal-driven world, where gossip and 
> rumour can be found even in serious newspapers and on mainstream TV 
> newscasts, is there nothing that is just plain WRONG to broadcast or 
> print?

No.

But there are very, very few things on which the world has unanimous
agreement.  Perhaps none.  That doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't,
apply your own standards -- but it does mean that you can't expect
others to have the same standards as you do.  (And particularly in
today's hypercapitalist, globalized society, for good or for ill, some
people's standards go no deeper than "Will it make me a buck?" and
"Will I end up in court over it?")

-GAWollman

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 01:48:04 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:48:04 -0500
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
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I heard a story about Victor from a newswriter at channel 4 back around 1970.

Best had been admonished by management for not smiling more during the
news. That same evening he comes on with a broad smile and announces
many children had been killed when a commuter train hit a schoolbus
(this would be in the 50's) Shortly afterwards Arch was doing the news
again followed by Jim Jensen.

Funny I have far more memories of channel 4 than 7. I dimly recall an
older gentleman who did a kids show on WNAC in the afternoon but I
recall little. For some reason the name Frank Bucannon (sic) comes to
mind.

News I dimly recall Roy Leonard and Dave Rodman and my mother watching
Louise Morgan.

WNAC did a horrible job locally in the 50's

On 7/31/08, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
>
>>Kevin wrote--
>>
>>Jack Chase saved his job by donning a toupee.
>
> And a really bad toupee it was... some of the guys who wore a "rug"
> really looked like they were wearing one. (Upton Bell comes to
> mind.)  I'm glad hairpieces look more natural today. 8-)
>
>

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Fri Aug  1 02:24:11 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:24:11 -0400
Subject: Could I get an opinion?
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On 07/31/2008 11:59 PM, Donna Halper wrote:
> is there 
> nothing that is just plain WRONG to broadcast or print? 


Yes, the moment of death of a (real, not fictional or re-enacted) human 
being remains wrong to broadcast.

--RC

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 02:33:03 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:33:03 -0400
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
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> I dimly recall an
> older gentleman who did a kids show on WNAC in the afternoon but I
> recall little. 

Not WNAC...but I recall something called "Clubhouse 4".

4PM weekdays on Channel 4.  Must have been 1960-65.

Anyone else remember that?



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug  1 05:35:39 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:35:39 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
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For sure, there are no IBOC sidebands, And one reason that WKOX
sounded so good last evening is the wideband audio, which will go away
when IBOC comes on. BUT WRCA has no IBOC sidebands yet either and I
suspect that Beasley, which, like CCU, has been an ardent booster of
AM-band IBOC, has also installed IBOC in Newton. I obviously don't
know the FCC rules on this, but I would not be surprised if those
rules forbade the use of IBOC at new or upgraded directional AMs until
a license to cover had been granted. Given all of the brou-ha-ha about
pattern bandwidth, I can easily imagine that the FCC would delay the
use of IBOC until proofs were in hand demonstrating that an antenna
system met specs at the licensed frequency.

However, this morning I did note WKOX's legal, which still said
Framingham. When WRCA moved a month ago, the ID changed to Watertown
almost immediately. So I could be the latest member of the jumping the
gun on the WKOX move club, but I can say for certain that I have never
heard WKOX as loud and clear here at night as it was all night last
night (OK, whenever I woke up). If WKOX were to run 5 kW-N instead of
1 kW into the Framingham towers, its night signal where I live would
be as strong as its day signal--far from NIF but still quite
listenable, and the only station likely to be bothered at all (in
fact, though not on paper) would be CFGO.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?


> <<On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:50:33 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"
> <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:
>
>> I won't bet the farm on it yet--what I'm hearing COULD be WKOX on
>> day power after sunset from Framingham--but I don't think so.
>
> I think you are mistaken.  I hear WKOX just fine right now, two
> miles
> from Mount Wayte; it should sound much worse if they were operating
> on
> the new facility -- and more to the point, I'm not hearing any IBOC
> sideband hash either, whereas I know the new WKOX facility is
> engineered to pass IBOC.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug  1 06:01:48 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:01:48 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
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Another data point: August sunrise (5:45AM) just passed and if there
was a pattern change, it was either undetectable or it was all in my
imagination. So there are two possible explanations for what we are
hearing: WKOX is still operating from Mt Wayte but failed to switch to
night pattern/power last night (and, if so, this was the first time I
ever caught such a lapse on WKOX). OR WKOX IS operating from Newton
but is running its day pattern at reduced power. The reduced power
(usually 25% of the power specified in the CP) is an almost universal
requirement for new or upgraded directional AMs until proofs of
performance are on file. Since WKOX will use the same D and N powers
at the Newton site and neither Newton pattern could yet have
been adjusted and the two patterns are similar except for the
considerably greater radiation to the west by day, I can imagine that
the FCC might permit the use of the day pattern at reduced power at
night at this stage of commissioning of the Newton site.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

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From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?


> <<On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:50:33 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"
> <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:
>
>> I won't bet the farm on it yet--what I'm hearing COULD be WKOX on
>> day power after sunset from Framingham--but I don't think so.
>
> I think you are mistaken.  I hear WKOX just fine right now, two
> miles
> from Mount Wayte; it should sound much worse if they were operating
> on
> the new facility -- and more to the point, I'm not hearing any IBOC
> sideband hash either, whereas I know the new WKOX facility is
> engineered to pass IBOC.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug  1 07:03:49 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:03:49 -0400
Subject: Could I get an opinion?
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>>the moment of death of a (real, not fictional or re-enacted) human
being remains wrong to broadcast.<<

But, that too has already been done, and long before the era about which we're talking.  How many times has the Abraham Zapruder film of President Kennedy's assassination...clearly showing, thanks to modern slo-mo techniques, the instant the final bullet opened and destroyed his skull...been shown on TV?


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From markwa1ion@aol.com  Fri Aug  1 08:32:13 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:32:13 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
Message-ID: <8CAC1E9C25854D0-8F4-2847@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com>

This would seem to be a very easy matter to resolve if one has access 
to a typical transistor AM radio containing a ferrite rod (loopstick) 
antenna.

You place the radio on a clear table away from wiring and metallic 
objects and turn it until a null or obviously-diminished signal 
results.  For very strong stations, you may have to tune a bit off 
frequency and detect the splatter instead of regular audio.

WBIX-1060 and Framingham 1200 would null at about the same radio 
position.  WRCA-1330 / WUNR-1600 / Newton 1200 would null at a 
different position for many of us.  The angular spread between Newton 
and Framingham transmitter site bearings from the Arlington Heights / 
Lexington area should be significant, over 45 degrees.

Enthusiasts who have access to an outboard box loop antenna and 
well-shielded communications receiver can get very precise bearings.  
In the '60s and '70s, Gordon Nelson (WA1UXQ) of Watertown used a "FET 
altazimuth loop" to get direction fixes accurate to a couple of degrees 
or better on groundwave and nearly as good on distant low-angle skywave 
from European AM stations.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

<<
Another data point: August sunrise (5:45AM) just passed and if there
was a pattern change, it was either undetectable or it was all in my
imagination. So there are two possible explanations for what we are
hearing: WKOX is still operating from Mt Wayte but failed to switch to
night pattern/power last night (and, if so, this was the first time I
ever caught such a lapse on WKOX). OR WKOX IS operating from Newton
but is running its day pattern at reduced power. The reduced power
(usually 25% of the power specified in the CP) is an almost universal
requirement for new or upgraded directional AMs until proofs of
performance are on file. Since WKOX will use the same D and N powers
at the Newton site and neither Newton pattern could yet have
been adjusted and the two patterns are similar except for the
considerably greater radiation to the west by day, I can imagine that
the FCC might permit the use of the day pattern at reduced power at
night at this stage of commissioning of the Newton site.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367
>>


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From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 09:38:06 2008
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Al Kaprielian   25 years at Channel 50, Today
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I'm currently listening to an interview on WCAP 980AM Lowell with weatherman Al Kaprielian, who is celebrating his 25th anniversary at Channel 50 Derry NH.

25 years of accurate but quirky forecasts, wow!


John B
Derry NH

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 11:28:45 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:28:45 -0600
Subject: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
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Wasn't John Quill at WWLP for something like 40 plus years, from the
stations start to his death?

Anyways, 25+ years in this business is a good track record.

Paul

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, John Bolduc <n1qgs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm currently listening to an interview on WCAP 980AM Lowell with
> weatherman Al Kaprielian, who is celebrating his 25th anniversary at Channel
> 50 Derry NH.
>
> 25 years of accurate but quirky forecasts, wow!
>
>
> John B
> Derry NH
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug  1 13:12:10 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:12:10 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
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Certainly correct in theory. And it often works, too. But sometimes it
doesn't--and now seems to be one of those times. My Super Radio III,
which was maybe 18 years old, died a week or so ago and its
replacement, a CC Radio Plus, arrived this morning while I was out
getting breakfast and a newspaper. To its credit, the CC Radio has, in
its fashion, a signal-strength indicator on its LCD--the indicator
resembles cell-phone bars. I believe that, like the Super Radio, the
CC Radio owes its relatively good AM sensitivity at least partly to an
extra-large ferrite loop antenna. And I believe that the ferrite loops
in both radios are located at the top of the case with their long axes
parallel to the case's long dimension.

With the Super Radio, I found that orienting the antenna perpendiclar
to the front of the house gave the best reception of stations to the
west. Orienting the antenna parallel to the font of the house gave the
best reception of WMKI. That made a lot of sense. But before the
reconstruction of the WUNR site, the best orientation for WUNR was
pretty much the best orientation for WKOX and WBIX, which makes less
sense.

With the CC Radio, I haven't found reliable nulls for any of these
stations. I suspect the problem is reradiation of the signals by the
house wiring, which is Romex, not BX, and hence is not shielded. If
I'm motivated, I may try taking the CC Radio into the playground
behind the house. Around second base in the baseball diamond, I should
be far enough from the overhead AC power lines and any house wiring to
get a reliable fix on the directions from which the signals are
coming, but the problem is complicated by the fact that the streets in
my neighborhhod are not even close to "square with the compass," and I
can never remember which way is north. (BTW, I have not found moss to
be not a reliable indicator.)

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <markwa1ion@aol.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?


> This would seem to be a very easy matter to resolve if one has
> access to a typical transistor AM radio containing a ferrite rod
> (loopstick) antenna.
>
> You place the radio on a clear table away from wiring and metallic
> objects and turn it until a null or obviously-diminished signal
> results.  For very strong stations, you may have to tune a bit off
> frequency and detect the splatter instead of regular audio.
>
> WBIX-1060 and Framingham 1200 would null at about the same radio
> position.  WRCA-1330 / WUNR-1600 / Newton 1200 would null at a
> different position for many of us.  The angular spread between
> Newton and Framingham transmitter site bearings from the Arlington
> Heights / Lexington area should be significant, over 45 degrees.


From markwa1ion@aol.com  Fri Aug  1 13:35:07 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:35:07 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
In-Reply-To: <C9FC0E9B5F134CB58297D9DBF82A384D@SatU205S5044>
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Robbins Farm Park would be a good spot.  It's about a mile from you.  
Park on Eastern Ave. by the Brackett School and walk into the park a 
couple of hundred feet from the street.  You will also enjoy the 
splendid view of Boston while you're doing your DF'ing.

I should know.  I played up there all the time as a kid.  See the 
park's web site "http://www.robbinsfarmpark.org".

This would be a bang-up location for FM DX.

I'll take my own DF cuts on 1200 later today and report back the 
results.  The little Sony SRF-59 is surprisingly good for direction 
finding.  The Framingham versus Newton bearing spread isn't quite as 
great here just north of the 3A / 62 junction as it is for you in 
Arlington, but I should still be able to note the difference.

Some radios that also have a telescoping whip antenna aren't too useful 
for nulls because the FM whip distorts the pick-up pattern of the AM 
ferrite rod.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; markwa1ion@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: WKOX on the air from Newton?


Certainly correct in theory. And it often works, too. But sometimes it?
doesn't--and now seems to be one of those times. My Super Radio III,?
which was maybe 18 years old, died a week or so ago and its?
replacement, a CC Radio Plus,=2
0arrived this morning while I was out?
getting breakfast and a newspaper. To its credit, the CC Radio has, in?
its fashion, a signal-strength indicator on its LCD--the indicator?
resembles cell-phone bars. I believe that, like the Super Radio, the?
CC Radio owes its relatively good AM sensitivity at least partly to an?
extra-large ferrite loop antenna. And I believe that the ferrite loops?
in both radios are located at the top of the case with their long axes?
parallel to the case's long dimension.?
?
With the Super Radio, I found that orienting the antenna perpendiclar?
to the front of the house gave the best reception of stations to the?
west. Orienting the antenna parallel to the font of the house gave the?
best reception of WMKI. That made a lot of sense. But before the?
reconstruction of the WUNR site, the best orientation for WUNR was?
pretty much the best orientation for WKOX and WBIX, which makes less?
sense.?
?
With the CC Radio, I haven't found reliable nulls for any of these?
stations. I suspect the problem is reradiation of the signals by the?
house wiring, which is Romex, not BX, and hence is not shielded. If?
I'm motivated, I may try taking the CC Radio into the playground?
behind the house. Around second base in the baseball diamond, I should?
be far enough from the overhead AC power lines and any house wiring to?
get a reliable fix on the20directions from which the signals are?
coming, but the problem is complicated by the fact that the streets in?
my neighborhhod are not even close to "square with the compass," and I?
can never remember which way is north. (BTW, I have not found moss to?
be not a reliable indicator.)?
?
-----?
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)?
eFax 1-707-215-6367?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: <markwa1ion@aol.com>?
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>?
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:32 AM?
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton??
?
> This would seem to be a very easy matter to resolve if one has?
> access to a typical transistor AM radio containing a ferrite rod?
> (loopstick) antenna.?
>?
> You place the radio on a clear table away from wiring and metallic?
> objects and turn it until a null or obviously-diminished signal?
> results. For very strong stations, you may have to tune a bit off?
> frequency and detect the splatter instead of regular audio.?
>?
> WBIX-1060 and Framingham 1200 would null at about the same radio?
> position. WRCA-1330 / WUNR-1600 / Newton 1200 would null at a?
> different position for many of us. The angular spread between?
> Newton and Framingham transmitter site bearings from the Arlington?
> Heights / Lexington area should be significant, over 45 degrees.?
?


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Aug  1 13:40:53 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:40:53 -0400
Subject: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
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John Bolduc wrote:

>>(snip) weatherman Al Kaprielian, who is celebrating his 25th anniversary 
>>at Channel 50 Derry NH.<<

kudos to Al for doing that thing he do...!

and then Paul B.Walker wrote:

>> Wasn't John Quill at WWLP for something like 40 plus years, from the 
>> stations start to his death? <<

a quick question regarding John Quill - is he the father of Nancy (WMJX) and 
Barbara (former-WGME-TV)?  If I recall correctly, Barbara once mentioned she 
was a "second generation" broadcaster.

- -Chuck Igo 


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Aug  1 13:48:41 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:48:41 -0400
Subject: WGAN-AM Portland's 70th Anniversary
Message-ID: <000f01c8f3fe$d7c2f4e0$0401a8c0@Family>

WGAN Portland (AM 560) is noting its 70th anniversary (August 1938) with a fun retrospective, both on-air and online.

www.560WGAN.com has some interesting press clippings and audio available on the 70th Anniversary Page -

and on the air -

they began Friday morning (8/1) with some recollections from many WGAN alum.

The on-air portion continues Saturday and Sunday morning with John McDonald (and you can do a listen-on-line thing at the above noted website).

Saturday morning will include Bud Sawyer, a former WGAN morning host for many years, plus a surprise phone visitor after 8am (while Bud is on...)

Sunday morning, the 1980's crew will be represented by Cary Pahigian who was squired away from WCCM to be the new whiz-kid for WGAN as program director (age 22), also Bruce Stevens, Nick Seneca and many more

--Chuck Igo
WGAN 1981-1984/1985-1988/ and since '03 (morning sports)

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 14:47:06 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:47:06 -0500
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
In-Reply-To: <3209AD71B8F24CCF8AD1FA2354EC2F3F@MainXPPro>
References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Clubhouse 4 was hosted by Big Brother Bob Emery and his sidekick was a
puppet named Flash.

On 8/1/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I dimly recall an
>> older gentleman who did a kids show on WNAC in the afternoon but I
>> recall little.
>
> Not WNAC...but I recall something called "Clubhouse 4".
>
> 4PM weekdays on Channel 4.  Must have been 1960-65.
>
> Anyone else remember that?
>
>
>

From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 14:00:40 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808010828o75aad809t4f4e3bfddceb14cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <643928.2788.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

True.  John Quill was working at WWLP (Channel 61, later 22) from March 17, 1953 until his death a few years ago.  I'd say that is quite a long run for a person to stay at the same station for nearly 40 years.  That's a hard record to beat. 
  
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"

radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
> To: n1qgs@yahoo.com
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:28 AM
> Wasn't John Quill at WWLP for something like 40 plus
> years, from the
> stations start to his death?
> 
> Anyways, 25+ years in this business is a good track record.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, John Bolduc
> <n1qgs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm currently listening to an interview on WCAP
> 980AM Lowell with
> > weatherman Al Kaprielian, who is celebrating his 25th
> anniversary at Channel
> > 50 Derry NH.
> >
> > 25 years of accurate but quirky forecasts, wow!
> >
> >
> > John B
> > Derry NH
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


      

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 15:24:38 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
Message-ID: <840500.19857.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

But wasn't he on Channel 7 for a time in the early 50s? It's before my time (I watched Major Mudd in the early 70s) so I can't say for sure!
Another thing this thread has brought up for me - whenever I read about the early days of WNAC and WBZ it seems that WBZ had more viewers and better programming but WNAC was always more highly valued as a station. That is if both station were on the market WNAC would have fetched the higher sales price. True? Not true?



----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 2:47:06 PM
Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history

Clubhouse 4 was hosted by Big Brother Bob Emery and his sidekick was a
puppet named Flash.

On 8/1/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I dimly recall an
>> older gentleman who did a kids show on WNAC in the afternoon but I
>> recall little.
>
> Not WNAC...but I recall something called "Clubhouse 4".
>
> 4PM weekdays on Channel 4.? Must have been 1960-65.
>
> Anyone else remember that?
>
>
>



      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 14:36:12 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:36:12 -0500
Subject: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808010828o75aad809t4f4e3bfddceb14cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CAC1E9C25854D0-8F4-2847@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com>
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John Quill at one point lived on the mountain top in Agawam so he
could do weather at 11 and then the Today Show in the morning.

Some dispute if Quill was the longest however as a case can be made
for Art Lake at WJAR Providence who finally retired when he was
disabled by a stroke a couple of years back. I think Art is still
alive but in a nursing home.

Channel 50 has well just been a fringe player since it came on the air
but it seems EVERYBODY knows Al and his GOOD EVENING..

I am actually amazed nobody in Boston ever gave him a chance. Al went
to school for weather in Vermont and his forecasts are as good as
anybody and he doesn't have expensive toys to play with.



On 8/1/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wasn't John Quill at WWLP for something like 40 plus years, from the
> stations start to his death?
>
> Anyways, 25+ years in this business is a good track record.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, John Bolduc <n1qgs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently listening to an interview on WCAP 980AM Lowell with
>> weatherman Al Kaprielian, who is celebrating his 25th anniversary at
>> Channel
>> 50 Derry NH.
>>
>> 25 years of accurate but quirky forecasts, wow!
>>
>>
>> John B
>> Derry NH
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Aug  1 16:36:47 2008
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:36:47 -0500
Subject: Al Kaprielian 25 years at Channel 50, Today
In-Reply-To: <643928.2788.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808010828o75aad809t4f4e3bfddceb14cc@mail.gmail.com>,
	<643928.2788.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48932D8F.2440.3148B3@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 1 Aug 2008 Peter Q. George wrote:

> True.  John Quill was working at WWLP (Channel 61, later 22) from
> March 17, 1953 until his death a few years ago.  I'd say that is quite
> a long run for a person to stay at the same station for nearly 40
> years.  That's a hard record to beat. 

And he didn't have to wear a rug or otherwise make himself look 
young.  I always liked his elder look.  And back when I first saw 
him, back in the 1970s, I was 20-something.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Aug  1 14:32:44 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:32:44 -0500
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
Message-ID: <20080801183244.3A53B478092@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna Halper" 
>To: "Kevin Vahey" , brian_vita@cssinc.com
>Subject: Re: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:53:01 -0400

> Kevin wrote--
>
> Jack Chase saved his job by donning a toupee.

>And a really bad toupee it was... some of the guys who wore a "rug" 
>really looked like they were wearing one. (Upton Bell comes to 
>mind.) I'm glad hairpieces look more natural today. 8-)

I gather than you are not in the habit of watching ABC-TV's "This Week with George
Stephanopoulous" on those occasions when Sam Donaldson is a member of the
round table.  I wonder how it look in HD.


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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug  1 16:05:44 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:05:44 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
References: <8CAC1E9C25854D0-8F4-2847@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com><C9FC0E9B5F134CB58297D9DBF82A384D@SatU205S5044>
	<8CAC21412E2B58A-1538-1432@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <01831C452B37473EB7A929BE27FEFDB9@SatU205S5044>

Best I can tell, Garrett and the others who said they didn't believe
that WKOX was transmitting from Newton are correct (and I was
wrong)--assuming that nothing changed from last evening until a few
minutes ago. The signal strength minima on the CC Radio are not really
pronounced (perhaps attributable to good AGC), but the visual
indicator is a help--enough of a help that I didn't have to take the
radio outside to get readings that I'm willing to believe. First I
compared WBIX and WKOX. The minima were at about the same orientation
of the radio. Then I tried WRCA. The minimum was indeed about 45
degrees away from the WBIX/WKOX minima. I did not try WUNR because it
produces so few bars on the display.

The CC Radio may be somewhat more sensitive than the Super Radio
III--at least from the high 800s to maybe 1400. And the first-adjacent
selectivity is better than that of the SR as is the freedom from
front-end overload. The third-adjacent selctivity in the presence of a
very strong undesired signal is not as good as that of the SR. I live
only a mile more or less from WTTT (and WAZN). When I tune in WBNW on
the CC, WTTT is clearly audible and splatters into WBNW. That didn't
happen with the SR. Perhaps I can minimize the effect by rotating the
radio. So far, rotating the radio has not helped much, though.

Some stations that I've received on the CC Radio that I could not
receive on the SR under comparable conditions are WCBS by day, WGHM
(both blocked by WAMG on the SR during daylight hours) and WOON (which
is just barely listenable on the CC but was never heard by me on the
SR). I can get WLLH on the CC but I could also get it on the SR,
although I think reception on the CC is a little better. The graphical
signal strength display shows twice as many bars on 600W 1230 as it
does on 30 kW 1570, even though the two are quite close to each other.
Shows how good WESX's (about to be former) site is and how awful
WNSH's site is.

I think the SR was just a bit more sensitive on FM than the CC is.
With WZBC off, WICN was no problem for the SR. It is a problem for the
CC. Of course, WSMA makes reception of WICN more difficult and it
wasn't there yet when I experimented with WICN on the SR.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <markwa1ion@aol.com>
To: <dan.strassberg@att.net>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: WKOX on the air from Newton?


Robbins Farm Park would be a good spot.  It's about a mile from you.
Park on Eastern Ave. by the Brackett School and walk into the park a
couple of hundred feet from the street.  You will also enjoy the
splendid view of Boston while you're doing your DF'ing.

I should know.  I played up there all the time as a kid.  See the
park's web site "http://www.robbinsfarmpark.org".

This would be a bang-up location for FM DX.

I'll take my own DF cuts on 1200 later today and report back the
results.  The little Sony SRF-59 is surprisingly good for direction
finding.  The Framingham versus Newton bearing spread isn't quite as
great here just north of the 3A / 62 junction as it is for you in
Arlington, but I should still be able to note the difference.

Some radios that also have a telescoping whip antenna aren't too
useful
for nulls because the FM whip distorts the pick-up pattern of the AM
ferrite rod.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; markwa1ion@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: WKOX on the air from Newton?


Certainly correct in theory. And it often works, too. But sometimes it
doesn't--and now seems to be one of those times. My Super Radio III,
which was maybe 18 years old, died a week or so ago and its
replacement, a CC Radio Plus,=2
0arrived this morning while I was out
getting breakfast and a newspaper. To its credit, the CC Radio has, in
its fashion, a signal-strength indicator on its LCD--the indicator
resembles cell-phone bars. I believe that, like the Super Radio, the
CC Radio owes its relatively good AM sensitivity at least partly to an
extra-large ferrite loop antenna. And I believe that the ferrite loops
in both radios are located at the top of the case with their long axes
parallel to the case's long dimension.

With the Super Radio, I found that orienting the antenna perpendiclar
to the front of the house gave the best reception of stations to the
west. Orienting the antenna parallel to the font of the house gave the
best reception of WMKI. That made a lot of sense. But before the
reconstruction of the WUNR site, the best orientation for WUNR was
pretty much the best orientation for WKOX and WBIX, which makes less
sense.

With the CC Radio, I haven't found reliable nulls for any of these
stations. I suspect the problem is reradiation of the signals by the
house wiring, which is Romex, not BX, and hence is not shielded. If
I'm motivated, I may try taking the CC Radio into the playground
behind the house. Around second base in the baseball diamond, I should
be far enough from the overhead AC power lines and any house wiring to
get a reliable fix on the20directions from which the signals are
coming, but the problem is complicated by the fact that the streets in
my neighborhhod are not even close to "square with the compass," and I
can never remember which way is north. (BTW, I have not found moss to
be not a reliable indicator.)

----- 
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- From: <markwa1ion@aol.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?

> This would seem to be a very easy matter to resolve if one has
> access to a typical transistor AM radio containing a ferrite rod
> (loopstick) antenna.
> You place the radio on a clear table away from wiring and metallic
> objects and turn it until a null or obviously-diminished signal
> results. For very strong stations, you may have to tune a bit off
> frequency and detect the splatter instead of regular audio.
> WBIX-1060 and Framingham 1200 would null at about the same radio
> position. WRCA-1330 / WUNR-1600 / Newton 1200 would null at a
> different position for many of us. The angular spread between Newton
> and Framingham transmitter site bearings from the Arlington Heights
> / Lexington area should be significant, over 45 degrees.



From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Aug  1 17:10:07 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:10:07 -0500
Subject: WZBC-FM 90.3 On Vacay?
Message-ID: <20080801211007.27632104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Readers of Dan Strassberg' post regarding his new CC radio may have noticed that
he mentioned that Boston Collge's FM station, WZBC 90.3 was off-the-air while he played
with his new toy.  I too have had occasion to notice WZBC's spotty on-the-air presence.
Of course it's near-midsummer, and only summer school students and administrators are
present on the campus, but U-Mass-Lowell's WUML-91.5 and MIT's WMBR 88.1
appear to be broadcasting 24/7.  Could it be that WZBC can't get enough volunteers to
operate the station at least 6:00 am till midnight?  The thread called "What's radio
good for" included observations that the young 'uns don't pay as much attention to radio
as in those thrilling days of yesteryear. WZBC seems to exist primarily to broadcast
BC sports PBP (although most of these games are also on commercial outlets that may be
paying BIG BUXX for the rights) and the kind of um, "musical" programming that appeals 
to today's students.  But even the latter may be so involved in getting their favorite
recorded material from anything BUT radio, that WZBC and others like it may not be serving
that purpose.  PBS's "Frontline" from earlier this week (it may be available from WGBH-TV on-demand 
if you have a Comcast digital box) displayed how utes in suburban New Jersey relate to the
media, and there was only one instance of a radio being played VERY LOUDLY in a motor 
vehicle. Otherwise, as the constantly recurring refrain goes, it was all internet and MP3
players.  Just sayin'.
 

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From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug  1 18:44:37 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:44:37 -0400
Subject: WZBC-FM 90.3 On Vacay?
In-Reply-To: <20080801211007.27632104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080801211007.27632104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Could it be that WZBC can't get enough volunteers to
operate the station at least 6:00 am till midnight?  The thread called "What's radio
good for" included observations that the young 'uns don't pay as much attention to radio
as in those thrilling days of yesteryear.<<

They may not be trying too hard to staff during the summer, since non-com licensees don't have to be on the air during school vacations, and they don't have other programming to take its place (like running the Radio Reading Service on the main channel, as WDJM and a few other area non-coms do).

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 18:49:22 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0400
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
In-Reply-To: <18578.27154.428847.394743@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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	<18578.27154.428847.394743@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <489392F2.8050106@gmail.com>

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Well, there's a long history of people from Boston believing that
> Boston and New England are synonymous.  (Right, Bill O'?)
>   
Yessir.  There's the impression that media in Boston, replete with 
impressive national market ranking, have co-opted their market as the 
apparent seat of New England.  No harm, no foul, however.  The rest of 
New England seems to not put too much thought in Boston anyway but for 
the Sox/Pats/Celts/Bs. 

Bill O'

From billohno@gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 18:52:51 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:52:51 -0400
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
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	<4fc429770807312248h127b1457n2e484942f829b26@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Best had been admonished by management for not smiling more during the
> news. That same evening he comes on with a broad smile and announces
> many children had been killed when a commuter train hit a schoolbus
> (this would be in the 50's) Shortly afterwards Arch was doing the news
> again followed by Jim Jensen.
Is career limiting hyphenated?

Bill O'Neill

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug  1 19:03:13 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:03:13 -0400
Subject: WGAN-AM Portland's 70th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <000f01c8f3fe$d7c2f4e0$0401a8c0@Family>
References: <000f01c8f3fe$d7c2f4e0$0401a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <68B37B8C9EEE4A698A231D7837F64EF3@DanBillingsPC>

Very Cool.

Where is Nick Senaca working these days?  Isn't Bruce Stevens working 
downeast somewhere?

The current talk incarnation of WGAN owes much to Don Kroah and Jim Crocker. 
They built the morning show that the current hosts have taken to even 
greater ratings success.  I hope my former co-workers, Don and Jim, get 
their deserved props over the weekend.

I heard Chuck Igo and Chuck Sanford this morning.  I also heard the last 60 
second of the interview with former host Willy Ritch.  Willy is currently 
the flack for a congressional candidate.

-- Dan Billings
    WGAN 1990-1993 


From rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com  Fri Aug  1 20:25:24 2008
From: rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com (Rick Levy)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:25:24 -0400
Subject: Could I get an opinion?
Message-ID: <6AC8C0EA536E40CA89C6561338964DD9@Titan>

At 11:46 PM 7/31/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>
>Now here's a disgusting idea:
>
>"In any case," Maariv added, "since Obama is not a Jew, publishing
>the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to
>privacy."

Shame on them.  That is NOT what the Bible says, and deep down, they
know it.  Like people of all religions who are doing something
hypocritical, they are seeking an excuse, and using their own version
of scripture to give themselves a free pass.  It's reminiscent of
when a criminal says it was his bad childhood that made him do
whatever so he can't be blamed for it.
~~~~~~~~
Part 1

Click on the link I provided
< http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127001 >, and you will
find Talkback comments at the foot of the page (82 comments at last count).
The very first of these addresses this same "disgusting idea", nicely
confirming the reactions of A. Joseph Ross and Donna Halper (and mine):

>>
1. Obama's Note
"Since he isn't Jewish it is not an infringement on his privacy." What is
this quote from Maariv supposed to mean!? Unless there is some kind of
misquote, this statement is utter foolishness! Jews are obligated to treat
non-Jews with proper middot!
Rabbi N. Melamed, USA (29/07/08) <<

("Middot" may be translated as manners, principles, virtues or values.)

Part 2

Donna, I understood the intent of your original question and was not trying
to divert the discussion into the pros and cons of Obama.  That you
apparently missed the point of my post is not surprising, as I failed to
make it explicit.  My point was that if this newspaper was given the prayer
directly and intentionally by the campaign, then they were not publishing
anything private.  In that case, that incident is no longer a good example.
However, your question stands on its own merits and can be addressed quite
well independently of that particular incident.

Cheers,

Rick Levy
Broadcast Signal Lab, LLP
Cambridge, Mass.
www.broadcastsignallab.com



From markwa1ion@aol.com  Fri Aug  1 21:02:40 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:02:40 -0400
Subject: WKOX on the air from Newton?
Message-ID: <8CAC2529881D44F-1688-937@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com>

My direction finding shows 1060 and 1200 coming from the southwest, 
similar to NYC station headings from here.

890 is slightly farther south and 850 is just a "tad" west of due south.

1330 and 1600 were taking a beating from the co-channel NYC stations 
but as best as I could tell, they were due south.

1150 and 1550 are also on that bearing from here.

This is telling me that WKOX-1200 is still transmitting from 
Framingham, not Newton.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA (Pinehurst section, near 
Burlington line)

<<
Best I can tell, Garrett and the others who said they didn't believe
that WKOX was transmitting from Newton are correct (and I was
wrong)--assuming that nothing changed from last evening until a few
minutes ago. The signal strength minima on the CC Radio are not really
pronounced (perhaps attributable to good AGC), but the visual
indicator is a help--enough of a help that I didn't have to take the
radio outside to get readings that I'm willing to believe. First I
compared WBIX and WKOX. The minima were at about the same orientation
of the radio. Then I tried WRCA. The minimum was indeed about 45
degrees away from the WBIX/WKOX minima. I did not try WUNR because it
produces so few bars on the display.

The CC Radio may be somewhat more sensitive than the Super Radio
III--at least from the high 800s to maybe 1400. And the first-adjacent
selectivity is better than that of the SR as is the freedom from
front-end overload. The third-adjacent selctivity in the presence of a
very strong undesired signal is not as good as that of the SR. I live
only a mile more or less from WTTT (and WAZN). When I tune in WBNW on
the CC, WTTT is clearly audible and splatters into WBNW. That didn't
happen with the SR. Perhaps I can minimize the effect by rotating the
radio. So far, rotating the radio has not helped much, though.

Some stations that I've received on the CC Radio that I could not
receive on the SR under comparable conditions are WCBS by day, WGHM
(both blocked by WAMG on the SR during daylight hours) and WOON (which
is just barely listenable on the CC but was never heard by me on the
SR). I can get WLLH on the CC but I could also get it on the SR,
although I think reception on the CC is a little better. The graphical
signal strength display shows twice as many bars on 600W 1230 as it
does on 30 kW 1570, even though the two are quite close to each other.
Shows how good WESX's (about to be former) site is and how awful
WNSH's site is.

I think the SR was just a bit more sensitive on FM than the CC is.
With WZBC off, WICN was no problem for the SR. It is a problem for the
CC. Of course, WSMA makes reception of WICN more difficult and it
wasn't there yet when I experimented with WICN on the SR.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367
>>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Aug  2 00:34:34 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:34:34 -0400
Subject: Could I get an opinion?
In-Reply-To: <18578.37266.849004.864418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <5F269C0A04F44A5DBB7039251D289A44@Titan>,
	<20080801040002.4D9EA243D3B@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>,
	<18578.37266.849004.864418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4893AB9A.17379.60DC53@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 1 Aug 2008 at 0:31, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> But there are very, very few things on which the world has unanimous
> agreement.  Perhaps none.  That doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't,
> apply your own standards -- but it does mean that you can't expect
> others to have the same standards as you do.  (And particularly in
> today's hypercapitalist, globalized society, for good or for ill, some
> people's standards go no deeper than "Will it make me a buck?" and
> "Will I end up in court over it?")

I must say, I'm rather glad to see some celebrities suing over 
paparazzi and other abuses by the celebrity magazines.

On the other hand, Groucho Marx once took care of one such magazine.  
He wrote to the editor, "Gentlemen?  If you continue to write nasty 
pieces about me, I shall be obliged to cancel my subscription."

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Aug  2 00:34:34 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:34:34 -0400
Subject: WZBC-FM 90.3 On Vacay?
In-Reply-To: <20080801211007.27632104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080801211007.27632104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4893AB9A.29126.60DCFF@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 1 Aug 2008 at 16:10, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Readers of Dan Strassberg' post regarding his new CC radio may have
> noticed that he mentioned that Boston Collge's FM station, WZBC 90.3
> was off-the-air while he played with his new toy.  I too have had
> occasion to notice WZBC's spotty on-the-air presence. Of course it's
> near-midsummer, and only summer school students and administrators are
> present on the campus, but U-Mass-Lowell's WUML-91.5 and MIT's WMBR
> 88.1 appear to be broadcasting 24/7.  Could it be that WZBC can't get
> enough volunteers to operate the station at least 6:00 am till
> midnight?  

I remember when WTBS (now WMBR) and WHRB used to go off the air for 
the summer.  Likewise WMUA in Amherst.  In fact, I think I was part 
of WMUA's first summer on the air, in 1966.

Back in the early 1960s, WBUR and WERS used to sign on at 2 PM during 
the school year and at 5 PM in the summer.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 02:36:59 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:36:59 -0400
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
Message-ID: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro>

FYI....I'm not sure what to make of it or who is involved.......something that got sent out from Len Zola...




UNUSUAL OPPORTUNITY IN MASS.

 

With all of the job cutbacks resulting from the recent wave of large scale acquisition of radio stations by large conglomerates, there exists a whole host of talented and experienced professional broadcast personalities who have had to find alternative employment. Having once been bitten by the broadcaster bug, many are eager to return to their chosen position in a chair behind a microphone.

 

Ours is a small, suburban 1000 watt, day timer featuring discussion and talk in southeastern Massachusetts with a large potential but a small budget. We are seeking to build an audience that will listen to proven broadcast talent so that we can re-establish our station as an important source of news, discussion, and entertainment in the communities we serve. Successfully accomplishing our objective will provide the launching pad for advertising sales by our marketing staff to the local and national business communities.

 

If you are a broadcaster who is itching to return to the air and re-launch your radio career, we may have a spot for you. Any compensation would be exclusively in the form of generous talent fees as ad revenue builds. If you are currently employed in another field, we can arrange for you to record your show after we sign off so it can be broadcast the next day, maybe even record it remotely from your home studio. In other words, for the right talent, we will accommodate a schedule and arrangement that will allow you to keep your present job while your earning power with us develops.

 

Although an air check or audition will eventually be needed to establish your performance level, your initial expression of interest  should  be  a  confidential e-mail with your name, phone number, and a brief outline of your broadcast background and experience to:

 

programplanner@aol.com

 



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 05:18:38 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:18:38 -0400
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
In-Reply-To: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro>
References: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>

Im betting this is WDIS-AM 1170 Norfolk, Massachusetts



On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

> FYI....I'm not sure what to make of it or who is involved.......something
> that got sent out from Len Zola...
>
>
>
>
> UNUSUAL OPPORTUNITY IN MASS.
>
>
>
> With all of the job cutbacks resulting from the recent wave of large scale
> acquisition of radio stations by large conglomerates, there exists a whole
> host of talented and experienced professional broadcast personalities who
> have had to find alternative employment. Having once been bitten by the
> broadcaster bug, many are eager to return to their chosen position in a
> chair behind a microphone.
>
>
>
> Ours is a small, suburban 1000 watt, day timer featuring discussion and
> talk in southeastern Massachusetts with a large potential but a small
> budget. We are seeking to build an audience that will listen to proven
> broadcast talent so that we can re-establish our station as an important
> source of news, discussion, and entertainment in the communities we serve.
> Successfully accomplishing our objective will provide the launching pad for
> advertising sales by our marketing staff to the local and national business
> communities.
>
>
>
> If you are a broadcaster who is itching to return to the air and re-launch
> your radio career, we may have a spot for you. Any compensation would be
> exclusively in the form of generous talent fees as ad revenue builds. If you
> are currently employed in another field, we can arrange for you to record
> your show after we sign off so it can be broadcast the next day, maybe even
> record it remotely from your home studio. In other words, for the right
> talent, we will accommodate a schedule and arrangement that will allow you
> to keep your present job while your earning power with us develops.
>
>
>
> Although an air check or audition will eventually be needed to establish
> your performance level, your initial expression of interest  should  be  a
>  confidential e-mail with your name, phone number, and a brief outline of
> your broadcast background and experience to:
>
>
>
> programplanner@aol.com
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 11:06:18 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <100076.76511.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

> Im betting this is WDIS-AM 1170 Norfolk, Massachusetts

"Generous talent fees"?  They need to define generous.


      

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Aug  2 12:34:16 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:34:16 -0400
Subject: Early Red Sox and Braves TV history
In-Reply-To: <489392F2.8050106@gmail.com>
References: <424895.55260.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20080729202532.AAA96453B45@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com>
	<0f0401c8f1ba$47671c50$0200a8c0@Office>
	<4fc429770807291356g2868dc5clea1957e75524d835@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080729232825.173E91C23D8@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<0fa701c8f1d4$ff89f090$0200a8c0@Office>
	<005d01c8f369$0cf493d0$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<20080801013129.217211C051F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<18578.27154.428847.394743@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<489392F2.8050106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c4ba3bb45db4@[192.168.0.100]>

Garrett Wollman wrote:

>Well, there's a long history of people from Boston believing that 
>Boston and New England are synonymous.

This was really true on New England Cable News when they first 
started, though they've gotten somewhat better at recognizing the 
rest of New England over time.  At least they now specify which 
Burlington they mean in the weather snipe (I know of at least three 
Burlington's in New England, in MA, VT, and CT).

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Aug  2 13:36:39 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:36:39 -0400
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro>
	<8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18580.39719.904351.141857@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:18:38 -0400, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said:

> Im betting this is WDIS-AM 1170 Norfolk, Massachusetts

Is that thing even still on the air?  I thought it was long dead.
(Shows what I know, evidently... the Commission thinks it still has a
license, at any rate.)

>> UNUSUAL OPPORTUNITY IN MASS.

Two points:

(1) Please trim your quotations.  Many people read this mailing-list
as a digest, and should not have to scroll through pages upon pages of
irrelevant quoted material to reach the meaningful comment (or, even
worse, just to reach the next message).  Mailing-list posts are not
like old-fashioned business memos, with every previous announcement
stapled to the back of the current message.  (This also falls under
the "post in your own words" rubric -- the majority of the content of
every message should be words you yourself have written.)

(2) As I said to Don privately, this mailing-list does not permit
advertising.

-GAWollman


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 11:59:37 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:59:37 -0500
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
In-Reply-To: <100076.76511.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<100076.76511.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808020859q5d99e1a9y4ee4f33d964e0ca0@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't doubt the phrase "generous talent fees as ad revenue builds" will
eventually mean you don't necessarily have to PAY for the time, but you have
to sell the ads.

Paul



On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Im betting this is WDIS-AM 1170 Norfolk, Massachusetts
>
> "Generous talent fees"?  They need to define generous.
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 13:51:21 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:51:21 -0400
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
In-Reply-To: <18580.39719.904351.141857@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro>
	<8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<18580.39719.904351.141857@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808021051h54f97460v852916c9529bfba7@mail.gmail.com>

I'm usually pretty good about remembering to not excessively quote anyone or
anything. .but sometimes, in a rush, I forget.

Yes, WDIS 1170 is still on the air as far as I know.  I know anyone can
create an AOL email address, but I know WDIS' owner has one which is what he
uses for his CDBS Applications with the FCC and I just have a feeling it's
WDIS for a few reasons.

Neither WMSX 1410 or WBSM 1420 sign off as far as I know. Isn't 1410
spanish? 1460 is the talk station in Brockton. Secondly, WBSM is owned by
Citadel and WXBR 1460 is owned by Business Talk Radio, I highly doubt a
corporation would post an ad like that.. it sounds really like it was
written by an independtly owned station.

And secondly, I am not intentionally advertising anything.

Paul Walker

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
wrote:

> <<On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:18:38 -0400, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Im betting this is WDIS-AM 1170 Norfolk, Massachusetts
>
> Is that thing even still on the air?  I thought it was long dead.
> (Shows what I know, evidently... the Commission thinks it still has a
> license, at any rate.)
>
> >> UNUSUAL OPPORTUNITY IN MASS.
>
> Two points:
>
> (1) Please trim your quotations.  Many people read this mailing-list
> as a digest, and should not have to scroll through pages upon pages of
> irrelevant quoted material to reach the meaningful comment (or, even
> worse, just to reach the next message).  Mailing-list posts are not
> like old-fashioned business memos, with every previous announcement
> stapled to the back of the current message.  (This also falls under
> the "post in your own words" rubric -- the majority of the content of
> every message should be words you yourself have written.)
>
> (2) As I said to Don privately, this mailing-list does not permit
> advertising.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 14:03:45 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:45 -0500
Subject: catch of a lifetme
Message-ID: <4fc429770808021103y7cfee508kaa75335612862c73@mail.gmail.com>

This morning I was trying to listen to WFAN and it was being
splattered by a station on 650.

I tuned in 650 and almost drove off Rte 3 when I got the ID

KENI ANCHORAGE

at 7 am it was coming in like a local in Burlington

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Aug  2 14:35:42 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:35:42 -0400
Subject: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member
References: <9AF3866466234F228BA03FB2FB3711DC@MainXPPro><8bce0fe80808020218n595d7556i2e1ae27ce1ac97f1@mail.gmail.com><18580.39719.904351.141857@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<8bce0fe80808021051h54f97460v852916c9529bfba7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9EEADA7C22A471DB8893921003B14A6@SatU205S5044>

WBSM and WXBR are both full-timers: 5 kW-D/1 kW-N. WMSX is a Class D
but is licensed for 1 kW-D/156W-N, so doesn't that leave only WDIS,
which has to sign off at Wheeling WV sunset, and WVBF? WVBF wouldn't
seem to qualify because it a) now runs 2.2 kW during noncritical
daytime hours (939W CH) and b) is licensed for a whole 2W at night. I
have to wonder whether they use it, though, given that 2W on 1530
wouldn't do much even if WCKY didn't send a pretty big signal this
way. There's also WCMX, which is a 1-kW daytimer, but by no stretch of
the imagination can be called in southeastern Mass.

There are a few more daytimers such as WNTN and WNSH, but they run
much higher daytime power and neither is in southeastern Mass.
Moreover, WNSH stays on at night with 85W--primarily, I gather, for
the benefit of the fish population of Mass Bay, who probably get quite
a respectable signal on their (hopefully waterproof) radios--powered
by electric eels, maybe? WSRO is only 250W but it is on at night with
9W. It also isn't in SE Mass and is, I believe, solidly profitable
with its leased-time Portuguese format, which means it would be
unlikely to resort to the arrangement that was advertised.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: For your consideration from a Gang member


> I'm usually pretty good about remembering to not excessively quote
> anyone or
> anything. .but sometimes, in a rush, I forget.
>
> Yes, WDIS 1170 is still on the air as far as I know.  I know anyone
> can
> create an AOL email address, but I know WDIS' owner has one which is
> what he
> uses for his CDBS Applications with the FCC and I just have a
> feeling it's
> WDIS for a few reasons.
>
> Neither WMSX 1410 or WBSM 1420 sign off as far as I know. Isn't 1410
> spanish? 1460 is the talk station in Brockton. Secondly, WBSM is
> owned by
> Citadel and WXBR 1460 is owned by Business Talk Radio, I highly
> doubt a
> corporation would post an ad like that.. it sounds really like it
> was
> written by an independtly owned station.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 15:10:19 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:10:19 -0500
Subject: catch of a lifetme
In-Reply-To: <800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770808021103y7cfee508kaa75335612862c73@mail.gmail.com>
	<800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808021210v32a610d6h69cf2394b3048067@mail.gmail.com>

I see they are 50K non-directional unlimited so they certainly have a
punch at 650.

I wonder if being that far north would make solar activities more enhanced.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Aug  2 14:47:22 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:47:22 -0400
Subject: catch of a lifetme
References: <4fc429770808021103y7cfee508kaa75335612862c73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>

The great-circle distance from KENI to WRKO is 3355 miles! That's like
TA distances but more difficult because the path from Alaska to Mass
is over land. I suppose it could still be two hops, though; the soil
conductivity at the midpoint of the path (somewhere in SK?) is quite
high. Doesn't high conductivity at the reflection point make for a
low-loss reflection?

BTW, I just noted on the NRC DX list that a number of Alaskans (KENI
not mentioned) were reported strong last night along the Oregon coast.
I suppose this is auroral activity, but I don't really know what I'm
talking about.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: catch of a lifetme


> This morning I was trying to listen to WFAN and it was being
> splattered by a station on 650.
>
> I tuned in 650 and almost drove off Rte 3 when I got the ID
>
> KENI ANCHORAGE
>
> at 7 am it was coming in like a local in Burlington


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 15:54:40 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:54:40 -0400
Subject: RIP: Chris Clausen
Message-ID: <142C3E2B27A0422582A622A686A0A69F@MainXPPro>

One of the voices from Boston has passed away.

Chris Clausen who I remember as the original booth announcer at Ch 25 (WXNE) 
passed away in Florida.

One of the stations he did voice work for did recently aired this 
tribute/biography peice (link below) that Chris had put together previously.

In the peice he said he got his start in radio & television in Boston. 
While I recall he did some work for Channel 7 as well as 25...does anyone 
recall any radio work he did?

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7101656&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1



From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 16:41:51 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:41:51 -0500
Subject: RIP: Chris Clausen
In-Reply-To: <142C3E2B27A0422582A622A686A0A69F@MainXPPro>
References: <142C3E2B27A0422582A622A686A0A69F@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808021341v221816d3x22c7690bfdc2a571@mail.gmail.com>

Chris was Captain Boston when WKBG first came on the air.

He was still doing the non news voiceovers at Channel 7.

I am pretty surehe was also the primary voice of WJAR Providence.

RIP

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Aug  2 16:19:26 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:19:26 -0400
Subject: catch of a lifetme
In-Reply-To: <800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770808021103y7cfee508kaa75335612862c73@mail.gmail.com>
	<800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <p06240801c4ba7136e83e@[192.168.0.100]>

At 2:47 PM -0400 8/2/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote:


>BTW, I just noted on the NRC DX list that a number of Alaskans (KENI
>not mentioned) were reported strong last night along the Oregon coast.
>I suppose this is auroral activity, but I don't really know what I'm
>talking about.

Being that we still seem to be at the bottom of the sunspot cycle, I 
doubt it's auroral.  But then again, I may not know what I'm talking 
about either. :-)

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 17:52:37 2008
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:52:37 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I]  Re: catch of a lifetme
Message-ID: <4894D725.5090906@Gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote,

 > This morning I was trying to listen to WFAN and it was being
 > splattered by a station on 650.
 >
 > I tuned in 650 and almost drove off Rte 3 when I got the ID
 >
 > KENI ANCHORAGE
 >
 > at 7 am it was coming in like a local in Burlington

Given both the distance *AND* the time??an hour and a half after 
sunrise (unless "7 am" was a typo)??I find it highly suspect.
I'm not questioning what you heard, just the origin of
transmission:  Could it have been WSRO with some feed mixup?

      ~Kaimbridge~

-----
      Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge

        *****  Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer.  *****


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 18:32:51 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:32:51 -0500
Subject: RIP: Chris Clausen
In-Reply-To: <142C3E2B27A0422582A622A686A0A69F@MainXPPro>
References: <142C3E2B27A0422582A622A686A0A69F@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808021532p13599985l9913a9b1c7a9167a@mail.gmail.com>

Chris was Captain Boston when WKBG first came on the air.

He was still doing the non news voiceovers at Channel 7.

I am pretty surehe was also the primary voice of WJAR Providence.

RIP

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 18:45:26 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:45:26 -0500
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: catch of a lifetme
In-Reply-To: <4894D725.5090906@Gmail.com>
References: <4894D725.5090906@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808021545t3453aa0fi9078015cd936cf1e@mail.gmail.com>

The PSA by the Governor of Alaska telling drivers to slow down in work areas
kind of sealed the deal. It was a fluke for the ages I am sure.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <
Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kevin Vahey wrote,
>
> > This morning I was trying to listen to WFAN and it was being
> > splattered by a station on 650.
> >
> > I tuned in 650 and almost drove off Rte 3 when I got the ID
> >
> > KENI ANCHORAGE
> >
> > at 7 am it was coming in like a local in Burlington
>
> Given both the distance *AND* the time??an hour and a half after sunrise
> (unless "7 am" was a typo)??I find it highly suspect.
> I'm not questioning what you heard, just the origin of
> transmission:  Could it have been WSRO with some feed mixup?
>
>     ~Kaimbridge~
>
> -----
>     Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page:
>
>                 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge
>
>       *****  Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer.  *****
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 18:54:24 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:54:24 -0400
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: catch of a lifetme
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808021545t3453aa0fi9078015cd936cf1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4894D725.5090906@Gmail.com>
	<4fc429770808021545t3453aa0fi9078015cd936cf1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808021554ha299c51vb06df1893c497897@mail.gmail.com>

I would agree too, as I think most of WSRO 650's content is locally
originated.

I know WSRO's engineer and could contact him, but I have a real good feeling
he'll tell me exactly what we already know, that it wasn't WSRO.
Paul


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> The PSA by the Governor of Alaska telling drivers to slow down in work
> areas
> kind of sealed the deal. It was a fluke for the ages I am sure.
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <
> Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kevin Vahey wrote,
> >
> > > This morning I was trying to listen to WFAN and it was being
> > > splattered by a station on 650.
> > >
> > > I tuned in 650 and almost drove off Rte 3 when I got the ID
> > >
> > > KENI ANCHORAGE
> > >
> > > at 7 am it was coming in like a local in Burlington
> >
> > Given both the distance *AND* the time??an hour and a half after sunrise
> > (unless "7 am" was a typo)??I find it highly suspect.
> > I'm not questioning what you heard, just the origin of
> > transmission:  Could it have been WSRO with some feed mixup?
> >
> >     ~Kaimbridge~
>

From kwillcox@wnsh.com  Sat Aug  2 20:46:21 2008
From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:46:21 -0400
Subject: electric fish
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6781.1217716391.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.Bo
	stonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.6781.1217716391.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <200808030046.m730kCEv079720@tsornin.bostonradio.org>

At 06:33 PM 8/2/2008, you wrote:
>Moreover, WNSH stays on at night with 85W--primarily, I gather, for
>the benefit of the fish population of Mass Bay, who probably get quite
>a respectable signal on their (hopefully waterproof) radios--powered
>by electric eels, maybe?

580 business leads for our night coverage, 2 miles from the tower, 
but we wouldn't dream of selling ads on our night signal, it is quite 
nasty. Still, 580 businesses ain't chopped liver.


Sincerely,

Keating Willcox ~/~

WNSH AM 1570 Beverly
Women's Talk Radio
By Women - For Women
kwillcox@wnsh.com
www.wnsh.com
(617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954
transmitter Beverly, MA
Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street
South Hamilton, MA 01982



From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sat Aug  2 22:04:55 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:04:55 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>

I'm surprised that no one commented on the news story yesterday about CBS'
decision to sell off 50 of their stations.  See the article at:

http://nab365.bdmetrics.com/NST-2-50081187/story.aspx?utm_source=nab365&utm_
medium=email&utm_campaign=enewsletter&ocuid=NDA2OTQ4OA==-OTnxdbGkxT0=

August 1, 2008 - CBS Corp. may be putting KDKA-AM -- the nation's oldest
radio station -- up for sale, along with three Pittsburgh FM stations.

Another link to the article:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/s_580558.html
------------------------------------
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
Brian Vita
President
brian_vita@cssinc.com
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
tel: 978-538-7575
fax: 978-538-7550
AIM: btvita
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From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Aug  3 00:04:25 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:04:25 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
Message-ID: <D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>

It won't affect Boston, but Hartford will surely be sold.  They  
currently have four stations in the Insurance City, and all of them  
are in the Top 5 12+.  They include news/talk WTIC, Mainstream AC  
WRCH, Hot AC WTIC-FM and Rhythmic WZMX.  With the national radio  
market being saturated with unsold stations, most radio groups  
bottoming out on stock price and the lending crunch, I can't CBS  
getting top dollar for these properties, even though they are the  
most successful in the state.

Some group could land a bargain there, if they can get the financing  
together.  I doubt that Citadel will be a player and Clear Channel  
has stations there already.  That cluster may be too much for a  
smaller group like Regent or Nassau to finance in this economy.  This  
would be a great market for Entercom or Greater Media to enter.  Cox  
has stations in New Haven and on Long Island, so adding Hartford  
would seem to make sense for them as well.

Those four signals aren't the only ones on the block right now.   
Alternative WURH, currently owned by Clear Channel, has to be spun  
off as part of the company going private and is currently in a  
trust.  That's a signal I could easily see a Univision or SBS picking  
up and taking Spanish.  It will be interesting to see who buys these  
all stations and if it means a lot of changes in the market going  
forward.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Brian Vita wrote:

> I'm surprised that no one commented on the news story yesterday  
> about CBS'
> decision to sell off 50 of their stations.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Aug  3 00:57:26 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:57:26 -0400
Subject: catch of a lifetme
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808021210v32a610d6h69cf2394b3048067@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770808021103y7cfee508kaa75335612862c73@mail.gmail.com>,
	<800B92B098554EC7935EAE351648BE2D@SatU205S5044>,
	<4fc429770808021210v32a610d6h69cf2394b3048067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48950276.16564.7184CA@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 2 Aug 2008 at 14:10, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> I see they are 50K non-directional unlimited so they certainly have a
> punch at 650.
> 
> I wonder if being that far north would make solar activities more
> enhanced.

Last I heard, there still wasn't much solar activity, and people were 
thinking that the new sunspot cycle might be a dud and lead to global 
cooling.  Has any of that changed? 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From atolz@comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 08:32:53 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:32:53 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>

Re: Hartford, why wouldn't Buckley or Marlin, who each own stand alone FM's 
make a play for either some or all of the CBS stations and WURH?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
To: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
Cc: "'Boston Radio Interest'" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> It won't affect Boston, but Hartford will surely be sold.  They  currently 
> have four stations in the Insurance City, and all of them  are in the Top 
> 5 12+.  They include news/talk WTIC, Mainstream AC  WRCH, Hot AC WTIC-FM 
> and Rhythmic WZMX.  With the national radio  market being saturated with 
> unsold stations, most radio groups  bottoming out on stock price and the 
> lending crunch, I can't CBS  getting top dollar for these properties, even 
> though they are the  most successful in the state.
>
> Some group could land a bargain there, if they can get the financing 
> together.  I doubt that Citadel will be a player and Clear Channel  has 
> stations there already.  That cluster may be too much for a  smaller group 
> like Regent or Nassau to finance in this economy.  This  would be a great 
> market for Entercom or Greater Media to enter.  Cox  has stations in New 
> Haven and on Long Island, so adding Hartford  would seem to make sense for 
> them as well.
>
> Those four signals aren't the only ones on the block right now. 
> Alternative WURH, currently owned by Clear Channel, has to be spun  off as 
> part of the company going private and is currently in a  trust.  That's a 
> signal I could easily see a Univision or SBS picking  up and taking 
> Spanish.  It will be interesting to see who buys these  all stations and 
> if it means a lot of changes in the market going  forward.
>
> -Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Brian Vita wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised that no one commented on the news story yesterday  about 
>> CBS'
>> decision to sell off 50 of their stations.
> 



From hykker@wildblue.net  Sun Aug  3 09:56:00 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:56:00 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4895b933.0504c00a.5be6.0994@mx.google.com>

  David Tomm wrote:
>It won't affect Boston, but Hartford will surely be sold.  They
>currently have four stations in the Insurance City, and all of them
>are in the Top 5 12+.  They include news/talk WTIC, Mainstream AC
>WRCH, Hot AC WTIC-FM and Rhythmic WZMX.  With the national radio
>market being saturated with unsold stations, most radio groups
>bottoming out on stock price and the lending crunch, I can't CBS
>getting top dollar for these properties, even though they are the
>most successful in the state.

Is it etched in stone that markets below a certain ranking will be 
sold, or is this just speculation?  Seems to me that if you have a 
successful cluster in a mid-sized market you might want to hang on to 
it and unload a dog in a larger one.  Clear Channel hung on to their 
Manchester & Portsmouth properties when they began to shed stations, 
even though neither market is in the top 100 (Manchester is barely in 
the top 200). 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Aug  3 11:06:25 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:06:25 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <4895b933.0504c00a.5be6.0994@mx.google.com>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<4895b933.0504c00a.5be6.0994@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E13D8500-C93E-4BD7-AD03-F753C755F729@charter.net>

That was CBS's thinking for years.  Hartford is their second smallest  
market, but one of it's most successful in terms of ratings and  
revenue (for that size.)  However, according to radioandrecords.com,  
all markets beyond the top 16 are being sold.  There's nothing  
specific yet from CBS, but considering they're selling Pittsburgh and  
KDKA (according to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review) and Charlotte may  
also be in play (a growth market) I can't see them hanging on to the  
Hartford stations.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 3, 2008, at 9:56 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Is it etched in stone that markets below a certain ranking will be  
> sold, or is this just speculation?  Seems to me that if you have a  
> successful cluster in a mid-sized market you might want to hang on  
> to it and unload a dog in a larger one.  Clear Channel hung on to  
> their Manchester & Portsmouth properties when they began to shed  
> stations, even though neither market is in the top 100 (Manchester  
> is barely in the top 200).


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Aug  3 11:16:34 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:16:34 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <441405D3-A82C-4F08-BD6C-66FC0C5D2B0E@charter.net>

I'm not sure how much Buckley could acquire, if they wanted to.  They  
own 3 AM's around the state along with WDRC AM&FM.  With Hartford  
being an underradioed market, they probably would have to sell off  
the out of town AMs (mostly graveyarders) to buy even two of the FM's  
for sale.  That won't be easy.  Historically, Buckley doesn't buy and  
sell a lot of properties so I don't know if they would even have an  
interest in beefing up their portfolio there.

At this point I think WCCC and WTMI are the only stations Marlin  
owns.  They sold off their Miami cluster several years back.  If  
anything, they've been rumored to be sellers, not buyers, but they  
seem to be content with their current combo.  Considering their size,  
the CBS stations are probably too rich for their blood.  WURH has  
been on the block for awhile now and I think they would have bought  
it by now if they wanted it, especially since it's currently  
competing with WCCC.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 3, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Alan Tolz wrote:

> Re: Hartford, why wouldn't Buckley or Marlin, who each own stand  
> alone FM's make a play for either some or all of the CBS stations  
> and WURH?

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm"  
> <nostaticatall@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
>
>
>> It won't affect Boston, but Hartford will surely be sold.  They   
>> currently have four stations in the Insurance City, and all of  
>> them  are in the Top 5 12+.  They include news/talk WTIC,  
>> Mainstream AC  WRCH, Hot AC WTIC-FM and Rhythmic WZMX.  With the  
>> national radio  market being saturated with unsold stations, most  
>> radio groups  bottoming out on stock price and the lending crunch,  
>> I can't CBS  getting top dollar for these properties, even though  
>> they are the  most successful in the state.
>>
>> Some group could land a bargain there, if they can get the  
>> financing together.  I doubt that Citadel will be a player and  
>> Clear Channel  has stations there already.  That cluster may be  
>> too much for a  smaller group like Regent or Nassau to finance in  
>> this economy.  This  would be a great market for Entercom or  
>> Greater Media to enter.  Cox  has stations in New Haven and on  
>> Long Island, so adding Hartford  would seem to make sense for them  
>> as well.
>>
>> Those four signals aren't the only ones on the block right now.  
>> Alternative WURH, currently owned by Clear Channel, has to be  
>> spun  off as part of the company going private and is currently in  
>> a  trust.  That's a signal I could easily see a Univision or SBS  
>> picking  up and taking Spanish.  It will be interesting to see who  
>> buys these  all stations and if it means a lot of changes in the  
>> market going  forward.
>>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Aug  3 11:59:54 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:59:54 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com><D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net><000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<441405D3-A82C-4F08-BD6C-66FC0C5D2B0E@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>

Two of the three stations that simulcast WDRC (AM) are not
graveyarders. IIRC, the three are WSNG 610 Torrington, WMMW 1470
Meriden, and WWCO 1240 Waterbury. Of these, only WWCO is a
graveyarder. AFAIK, both WSNG and WMMW provide the only "local"
service to their CoLs. Also, IIRC, Buckley sells local avails on all
three of the simulcast stations, covering on the simulcasts at least
some of the spots that air on WDRC. I don't know how commonplace this
practice is nationwide, but I do know that it isn't unique to Buckley.
When done well, listeners can't tell that the whole program isn't
local. In theory, automation should be able to handle the break-aways
and rejoins, but I think that in most of the places where is done
flawlessly, the talent is involved with making it work well.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "'Boston Radio Interest'"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> I'm not sure how much Buckley could acquire, if they wanted to.
> They  own 3 AM's around the state along with WDRC AM&FM.  With
> Hartford  being an underradioed market, they probably would have to
> sell off  the out of town AMs (mostly graveyarders) to buy even two
> of the FM's  for sale.  That won't be easy.  Historically, Buckley
> doesn't buy and  sell a lot of properties so I don't know if they
> would even have an  interest in beefing up their portfolio there.


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 12:07:41 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:07:41 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<441405D3-A82C-4F08-BD6C-66FC0C5D2B0E@charter.net>
	<A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808030907q3ddef8f4i3a164994ad836381@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard the WDRC Trimulcast before and Dan is right, when done right, you
can't tell it's not "local".

They do sell local avails, and both 610 and 1240 break away for different
local, regiojnal and naitonal sports.... and some Sunday programming.



On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
wrote:

> Two of the three stations that simulcast WDRC (AM) are not
> graveyarders. IIRC, the three are WSNG 610 Torrington, WMMW 1470
> Meriden, and WWCO 1240 Waterbury. Of these, only WWCO is a
> graveyarder. AFAIK, both WSNG and WMMW provide the only "local"
> service to their CoLs. Also, IIRC, Buckley sells local avails on all
> three of the simulcast stations, covering on the simulcasts at least
> some of the spots that air on WDRC. I don't know how commonplace this
> practice is nationwide, but I do know that it isn't unique to Buckley.
> When done well, listeners can't tell that the whole program isn't
> local. In theory, automation should be able to handle the break-aways
> and rejoins, but I think that in most of the places where is done
> flawlessly, the talent is involved with making it work well.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net
> >
> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: "'Boston Radio Interest'"
> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
>
>
>   I'm not sure how much Buckley could acquire, if they wanted to.
>> They  own 3 AM's around the state along with WDRC AM&FM.  With
>> Hartford  being an underradioed market, they probably would have to
>> sell off  the out of town AMs (mostly graveyarders) to buy even two
>> of the FM's  for sale.  That won't be easy.  Historically, Buckley
>> doesn't buy and  sell a lot of properties so I don't know if they
>> would even have an  interest in beefing up their portfolio there.
>>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From wvnh@wvnh.net  Sun Aug  3 08:56:36 2008
From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:56:36 -0400
Subject: RIP Chris Clausen
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6781.1217716391.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.6781.1217716391.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <4895AB04.6020704@wvnh.net>

> "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> One of the voices from Boston has passed away.
>
> Chris Clausen who I remember as the original booth announcer at Ch 25 
> (WXNE) passed away in Florida.
>
> One of the stations he did voice work for did recently aired this 
> tribute/biography peice (link below) that Chris had put together 
> previously.
>
> In the peice he said he got his start in radio & television in Boston. 
> While I recall he did some work for Channel 7 as well as 25...does 
> anyone recall any radio work he did?  

I believe he did several years at WBZ radio in the 1960's as a fill in, 
mostly on the overnight shift, using the name O'Hara.

Jack



From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Aug  3 13:12:17 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:12:17 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <18581.59121.35610.329118@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:32:53 -0400, "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net> said:

> Re: Hartford, why wouldn't Buckley or Marlin, who each own stand alone FM's 
> make a play for either some or all of the CBS stations and WURH?

It's pretty difficult for anyone to raise capital these days, and both
Buckley and Marlin are pretty small, cash-lean operations.  (What
could Buckley do, turn around and sell Bakersfield?)  There do look to
be some VC people out there with money burning holes in their pockets,
but I think you'd still have to buying the CBS stations at fire-sale
prices to make that work.  (And I don't think that's a deal Buckley
would do, as it would mean giving up control of the company.  As for
Marlin, you would know better than we, if their November, 2007,
ownership report is to be believed.)

-GAWollman


From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  3 13:21:07 2008
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:21:07 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <00e801c8f58d$5bb48450$131d8cf0$@net>

I am assuming CBS would command a high price for its Hartford cluster, if
they were to decide to sell it.  Lite 100.5 and WTIC (AM) are always number
1 and 2 in the ratings, and WTIC is the flagship for UConn football and
men's and women's basketball.


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 13:32:54 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:32:54 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <00e801c8f58d$5bb48450$131d8cf0$@net>
Message-ID: <6DCB49329A5E456DB189D44990CA2EA9@MainXPPro>




>I am assuming CBS would command a high price for its Hartford cluster, if
> they were to decide to sell it.

>From what I have read and heard, it appears that CBS is going to try first 
to sell the stations they want to unload to one operator.

So, don't be surprised if in the coming weeks it's announced one entity 
takes them all in one fell swoop.....






From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Aug  3 14:47:49 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:47:49 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <00e801c8f58d$5bb48450$131d8cf0$@net>
References: <00e801c8f58d$5bb48450$131d8cf0$@net>
Message-ID: <18581.64853.99444.610424@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:21:07 -0400, "Bill Dillane" <dillane@sbcglobal.net> said:

> I am assuming CBS would command a high price for its Hartford cluster, if
> they were to decide to sell it.

I don't think anybody is getting high prices for radio properties
these days.  How much has Clear Channel lost on their spin-offs?

The Hartford cluster is worth a good deal -- but it's nowhere near
what CBS and predecessors paid for it.

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Aug  3 15:41:28 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:41:28 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <E13D8500-C93E-4BD7-AD03-F753C755F729@charter.net>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>,
	<4895b933.0504c00a.5be6.0994@mx.google.com>,
	<E13D8500-C93E-4BD7-AD03-F753C755F729@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4895D1A8.20349.1E06A5@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Aug 2008 at 11:06, David Tomm wrote:

> That was CBS's thinking for years.  Hartford is their second smallest 
> market, but one of it's most successful in terms of ratings and 
> revenue (for that size.)  However, according to radioandrecords.com, 
> all markets beyond the top 16 are being sold.  There's nothing 
> specific yet from CBS, but considering they're selling Pittsburgh and 
> KDKA (according to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review) and Charlotte may 
> also be in play (a growth market) I can't see them hanging on to the 
> Hartford stations.
 
Maybe some opportunities for Bob Bittner to expand his empire? <g>

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Aug  3 17:12:39 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:12:39 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>,
	<4895b933.0504c00a.5be6.0994@mx.google.com>,
	<E13D8500-C93E-4BD7-AD03-F753C755F729@charter.net>
	<4895D1A8.20349.1E06A5@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <FE6985BE6D234882A4BB1026A1E05D52@SatU205S5044>

Somehow, I think WTIC would be a little rich for Bob's budget. OTOH,
it would be interesting to see how Bob would program a 50-kW Class A
AM. I bet he wouldn't do a music format.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
Cc: "'Boston Radio Interest'"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> On 3 Aug 2008 at 11:06, David Tomm wrote:
>
>> That was CBS's thinking for years.  Hartford is their second
>> smallest
>> market, but one of it's most successful in terms of ratings and
>> revenue (for that size.)  However, according to
>> radioandrecords.com,
>> all markets beyond the top 16 are being sold.  There's nothing
>> specific yet from CBS, but considering they're selling Pittsburgh
>> and
>> KDKA (according to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review) and Charlotte may
>> also be in play (a growth market) I can't see them hanging on to
>> the
>> Hartford stations.
>
> Maybe some opportunities for Bob Bittner to expand his empire? <g>
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From gjspatola@q.com  Sun Aug  3 18:48:55 2008
From: gjspatola@q.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:48:55 -0700
Subject: WGAN-AM Portland's 70th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1217692800.70191.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.1.1217692800.70191.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP118DC5143FC5663BA40D0EBD790@phx.gbl>

What about Bill Johnson?  Anybody know what he's been up to since he 
retired?  I met him years ago, before he got into news, in 1962 when he did 
the PM drive shift at WCCM in Lawrence.  I was 15 at the time.


Glenn Spatola
Port Orchard, WA

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:03:13 -0400
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Subject: Re: WGAN-AM Portland's 70th Anniversary
To: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>, "\(newsgroup\)
Boston-Radio-Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Message-ID: <68B37B8C9EEE4A698A231D7837F64EF3@DanBillingsPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Very Cool.

Where is Nick Senaca working these days?  Isn't Bruce Stevens working
downeast somewhere?

The current talk incarnation of WGAN owes much to Don Kroah and Jim Crocker.
They built the morning show that the current hosts have taken to even
greater ratings success.  I hope my former co-workers, Don and Jim, get
their deserved props over the weekend.

I heard Chuck Igo and Chuck Sanford this morning.  I also heard the last 60
second of the interview with former host Willy Ritch.  Willy is currently
the flack for a congressional candidate.

-- Dan Billings
    WGAN 1990-1993




From atolz@comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 19:55:16 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:55:16 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com><D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net><000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<18581.59121.35610.329118@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001801c8f5c4$60fcbb30$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>

Yes, I am still part of the Marlin team, but I chose to put the question out 
there purely from a strategic and hypothetical point of view.

As to valuations for those properties, the CBS stations in Hartford were 
last "valued" by Jim Duncan when they changed hands from ARS to CBS.  Those 
valuations were:

WRCH - $73,000,000
WTIC FM - $42,000,000
WTIC AM - $21,000,000
WZMX FM - $20,000,000

That was in 1996.  The trading multiple at that time was roughly 16.5X 12 
months trailing BCF.

We were the last FM sold in Hartford, from Marlin, Inc. to Marlin, LLC for 
$20,000,000 in 2000.

Today, even a dominant cluster in a mid-sized market would do well to fetch 
11X BCF.  That might revalue the cluster as follows:

WRCH - $50,000,000
WTIC FM - $27,000,000
WTIC AM - $18,000,000
WZMX FM - $15,000,000

$110,000,000 for approx. $10,000,000 in BCF.

Not exactly a fire sale, but it's clear to see why radio stocks continue to 
take a beating in public trading.

As for WURH, I think they  - Bain & Lee through the Aloha Trust - will try 
to sell that as a stick to a Spanish operator as the sole member of the 
Trust is a woman who was the CFO for Entravision for some time and she is 
well versed in Spanish format radio.  David Tomm hit the nail on the head in 
his response.

Alan




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> <<On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:32:53 -0400, "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net> said:
>
>> Re: Hartford, why wouldn't Buckley or Marlin, who each own stand alone 
>> FM's
>> make a play for either some or all of the CBS stations and WURH?
>
> It's pretty difficult for anyone to raise capital these days, and both
> Buckley and Marlin are pretty small, cash-lean operations.  (What
> could Buckley do, turn around and sell Bakersfield?)  There do look to
> be some VC people out there with money burning holes in their pockets,
> but I think you'd still have to buying the CBS stations at fire-sale
> prices to make that work.  (And I don't think that's a deal Buckley
> would do, as it would mean giving up control of the company.  As for
> Marlin, you would know better than we, if their November, 2007,
> ownership report is to be believed.)
>
> -GAWollman
>
> 



From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Aug  3 20:41:04 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:41:04 -0400
Subject: Apple Gunkies
Message-ID: <18582.20512.847032.333552@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

With all the doom and gloom out there, I thought I might brighten
everyone's weekend by pointing out Daniel P. B. Smith's Web site
dedicated to the phony commercials which aired on WTBS to cover spots
airing on their carrier-current AM.

<http://www.dpbsmith.com/applegunkies/>

-GAWollman


From hykker@wildblue.net  Sun Aug  3 20:43:26 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:43:26 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<441405D3-A82C-4F08-BD6C-66FC0C5D2B0E@charter.net>
	<A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <489650c3.0405be0a.3159.481c@mx.google.com>

Dan.Strassberg wrote:

>When done well, listeners can't tell that the whole program isn't
>local. In theory, automation should be able to handle the break-aways
>and rejoins, but I think that in most of the places where is done
>flawlessly, the talent is involved with making it work well.


As far as stations doing split-simulcasts, I think WOKQ/WPKQ does an 
excellent job with this.  I can't hear 97.5 where I live, so I can't 
be certain which breaks are split, but the program elements that ARE 
split (legal ID, north country weather and some spots) are absolutely seamless.


From bill.smith@comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 20:46:52 2008
From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:46:52 -0400
Subject: Jack Chase Toupee
Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20808031746s5310714bk3913ac1c718b563b@mail.gmail.com>

Legend has it, and I believe I heard Jack Chase himself tell the story, that
he left the house without his toupee one day and had to go on air without it
for the first few news cut-ins.  The toup was rushed up to Soldiers Field
Road by taxi and Chase put it on for his next shot, saying "I'd like to
thank my brother, (X), for filling in for me earlier."

So long and make it a good day.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Aug  3 20:57:12 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:57:12 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <489650c3.0405be0a.3159.481c@mx.google.com>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<441405D3-A82C-4F08-BD6C-66FC0C5D2B0E@charter.net>
	<A59D9FEB91624B739D6738BDD53D3B12@SatU205S5044>
	<489650c3.0405be0a.3159.481c@mx.google.com>
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<<On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:43:26 -0400, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> said:

> As far as stations doing split-simulcasts, I think WOKQ/WPKQ does an 
> excellent job with this.  I can't hear 97.5 where I live, so I can't 
> be certain which breaks are split, but the program elements that ARE 
> split (legal ID, north country weather and some spots) are absolutely seamless.

I've seen them do it.  There is a separate automation system that does
nothing but run the Conway spot load.  If I understand things
correctly, the Conway spots are started by a "contact" closure from
the main automation system, and spots on both stations are very
carefully timed to ensure that both breaks end exactly on time.  (This
apparently annoys some agencies when they send in a 60.2-second spot
and are told it's too long.)

It's particularly impressive when they do the legal ID, which is only
partially split (the front is split but the back is common).

Scott and/or Blaine can now trot out the story of how WOWO in Fort
Wayne did this on the cheap with a stereo cart deck.  (They weren't
trying to do separate spots, but they did have a separate legal.)

-GAWollman


From gary@garysicecream.com  Sun Aug  3 21:02:45 2008
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:02:45 -0400
Subject: The "late" Don Kent
Message-ID: <0cfb01c8f5cd$ce1591c0$0200a8c0@Office>

Recently the Lowell Sun newspaper ran a story about the Lowell Spinners
baseball team and a rain delay and the writer  commented on the fact that
the Spinners should channel the spirit of "the late Don Kent" to make the
rain go-away.  When I talked to Don that morning and relayed the story to
him he found it amusing.

G

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From gary@garysicecream.com  Sun Aug  3 21:04:38 2008
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:04:38 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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	<18582.21480.672004.662670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <0cfc01c8f5ce$11e02730$0200a8c0@Office>

WLLH in Lowell did the same thing with a sister station in Worcester back in
the 80's when they were country. Perhaps Chris Hall can tell us about that -
I remember that at times the stereo cart machines weren't exactly in
phase...............

Gary Francis
 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Garrett Wollman
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:57 PM
To: SteveOrdinetz
Cc: Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations

<<On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:43:26 -0400, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net>
said:

> As far as stations doing split-simulcasts, I think WOKQ/WPKQ does an 
> excellent job with this.  I can't hear 97.5 where I live, so I can't 
> be certain which breaks are split, but the program elements that ARE 
> split (legal ID, north country weather and some spots) are absolutely
seamless.

I've seen them do it.  There is a separate automation system that does
nothing but run the Conway spot load.  If I understand things correctly, the
Conway spots are started by a "contact" closure from the main automation
system, and spots on both stations are very carefully timed to ensure that
both breaks end exactly on time.  (This apparently annoys some agencies when
they send in a 60.2-second spot and are told it's too long.)

It's particularly impressive when they do the legal ID, which is only
partially split (the front is split but the back is common).

Scott and/or Blaine can now trot out the story of how WOWO in Fort Wayne did
this on the cheap with a stereo cart deck.  (They weren't trying to do
separate spots, but they did have a separate legal.)

-GAWollman

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From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 22:39:06 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:39:06 -0500
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <001801c8f5c4$60fcbb30$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<18581.59121.35610.329118@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<001801c8f5c4$60fcbb30$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808031939j615e2fa4u25233ec7eb842c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and possibly make
WTIC part of the EEI network.

Entercom has a history of buying what CBS no longer wants.

That said would they then blow up WTIC and make it all sports? I would
not bet against it as they could bill well in CT and just need a sales
staff in Hartford.

It would then give WEEI statewide coverage in CT that the 2 FM's can't.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Aug  3 22:50:15 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:50:15 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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Would Boston orientated sports talk work in CT?  Isn't the state split in 
regards to sports fans between Boston and NY?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and possibly make
> WTIC part of the EEI network.


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Aug  3 23:28:50 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:28:50 -0400
Subject: Jack Chase Toupee
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On 3 Aug 2008 at 20:46, Bill Smith wrote:

> Legend has it, and I believe I heard Jack Chase himself tell the
> story, that he left the house without his toupee one day and had to go
> on air without it for the first few news cut-ins.  The toup was rushed
> up to Soldiers Field Road by taxi and Chase put it on for his next
> shot, saying "I'd like to thank my brother, (X), for filling in for me
> earlier."
 
As if everyone didn't know.  I remember the first time he appeared 
with it.  My father said, "Hey, Jack Chase is wearing a rug!"  After 
a few days, he either got a different rug or changed the way he was 
wearing it, and he looked a little better.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Aug  4 00:19:34 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:19:34 -0500
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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No station in New England has carried the Red Sox longer than WTIC.
Obviously the fans who care about NY will listen to WFAN.

WVEI-FM seems to be selling well in Springfield but the signal has
problems south of Bradley Field.

WTIC is big with UCONN sports as well so Entercom might take a flyer
on it. They also could cherry pick EEI and have at least one local CT
show.

Hartford is certainly the market size Entercom looks for and
Pittsburgh might be as well. Still I am surprised they would put KDKA
in play given the relationship that have with channel 2 there.

Scott might know how well is WGR billing in Buffalo compared to sister WBEN?



On 8/3/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> Would Boston orientated sports talk work in CT?  Isn't the state split in
> regards to sports fans between Boston and NY?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
> Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
>
>
>> Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and possibly make
>> WTIC part of the EEI network.
>
>

From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Aug  4 00:39:04 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:39:04 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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>Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and >possibly makeWTIC 
>part of the EEI network

IMO, based on the historical difficulty CBS and Clear Channel have had 
monetizing urban ratings in Hartford, and Entercom's recent history of 
moving toward FM with WEEI programming , they would be better served taking 
93.7 and making it part of the WEEI network.

WTIC AM would likely morph into a "WRKO south" from 10 AM forward and on 
weekends.  They could actually do Hartford a service by upgrading the 
morning drive to a BZ type news format, but that is expensive and given 
their history, I woukdn't bet on it.
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Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:39 PM
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> Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and possibly make
> WTIC part of the EEI network.
>
> Entercom has a history of buying what CBS no longer wants.
>
> That said would they then blow up WTIC and make it all sports? I would
> not bet against it as they could bill well in CT and just need a sales
> staff in Hartford.
>
> It would then give WEEI statewide coverage in CT that the 2 FM's can't.
> 



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Aug  4 01:42:24 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:42:24 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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Moving the Red Sox PBP off of WTIC would eliminate the Sox from areas
outside New England. I realize that the out-of-market coverage can't
be "monetized," but its value should also not be minimized either. The
two best examples are the move of the Phillies from WPHT to WPEN a few
years ago and then back to WPHT a year or two later and the move of
the Cardinals from KMOX to KTRS, when the team bought KTRS. There were
howls of protest from around the country in both cases, and despite
WPEN's having greatly improved its nighttime signal in Philly's
western suburbs, the protests supposedly did have something to do with
the move back to WPHT's 50-kW ex-Class IA signal. In any event, if
Entercom could afford both 1080 and the CT 93.7, they'd be well
advised to have them emulate the crazy arrangement they have on WRKO
and WEEI (AM) here. I would suggest retaining the heritage WTIC calls
on the AM, but are the WZEI or WCEI calls available for the FM?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> >Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and >possibly
> >makeWTIC part of the EEI network
>
> IMO, based on the historical difficulty CBS and Clear Channel have
> had monetizing urban ratings in Hartford, and Entercom's recent
> history of moving toward FM with WEEI programming , they would be
> better served taking 93.7 and making it part of the WEEI network.
>
> WTIC AM would likely morph into a "WRKO south" from 10 AM forward
> and on weekends.  They could actually do Hartford a service by
> upgrading the morning drive to a BZ type news format, but that is
> expensive and given their history, I woukdn't bet on it.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Aug  4 11:03:31 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:03:31 -0400
Subject: WKOX status
Message-ID: <CDE7C06009E14EAE9B5F4308C054EA09@SatU205S5044>

I posted the following a few minutes ago at Radio-Info.com

Quote from: (The Other) Big John on Today at 05:52:11 am
OK boys and girls! I found this while checking out the FCC CDBS early
this morning. It should clear up some matters concerning WKOX.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101260441&formid=911&fac_num=20441

A little probing and a computer crash later, I have the answers to my
own questions:
WKOX's application for an STA was apparently tendered for filing last
Thursday, 7/31/08, the day after Bain Capital et al closed on the
purchase of Clear Channel.
The FCC accepted the the application for filing today, Monday 8/4/08.
Note that the FCC's acceptance of an application for filing DOES NOT
mean that the application has been granted.
When the FCC grants its application for an STA, WKOX can legally begin
testing from the Newton site.
Given how rapidly WRCA was able to begin testing from the site after
its application for an STA was granted, WKOX may begin transmitting
from Newton almost immediately after its STA application is granted.
How long will it take for the FCC to grant the application? I don't
know, but my guess is that it won't take very long--I think the FCC is
likely to act this week.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Aug  4 07:40:52 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:40:52 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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>>Moving the Red Sox PBP off of WTIC would eliminate the Sox from areas
outside New England<<

I'm sure the listeners of WWCN/770 Ft. Myers FL and KJAX/93.3 Jackson WY would most likely disagree with you.  Let's not forget the listeners of WBEC/1420 Pittsfield MA, WNAW/1230 North Adams MA and WBTN/1370 Bennington VT, all of which have at least some coverage in New York state.  All of the preceding are Red Sox affiliates.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 11:43:12 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:43:12 -0400
Subject: The "late" Don Kent
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Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> When I talked to Don that morning and relayed the story to
> him he found it amusing.
When you next talk to Don, please extend my condolences <g>.  Second 
time's the charm. 

Don Kent was thee weather guy when I was growing up -- I don't ever 
recall Kent referring to a rainy day as "dismal."  And no warnings to 
buy duck tape and 100 loaves of bread when a snow storm approached.  And 
never referred to snow as <ack> "the white stuff." 

Bill O'Neill

From readaaron@friedbagels.com  Mon Aug  4 09:54:07 2008
From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:54:07 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <489709FF.5000201@friedbagels.com>

Those numbers could conceivably be "cheap" enough to put them within the 
reach of WSHU or Connecticut Public Radio, via a loan from Public Radio 
Capital.  Especially WZMX, which would be a coveted property by either 
entity since it's centrally located and covers most of CT pretty well.

-- 
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readaaron@friedbagels.com   |  Gen.Mgr. WEOS 89.7FM Geneva, NY
Rochester, NY 14618	    |  (315) 521-0569 cell



WRCH - $50,000,000
WTIC FM - $27,000,000
WTIC AM - $18,000,000
WZMX FM - $15,000,000

$110,000,000 for approx. $10,000,000 in BCF.

Not exactly a fire sale, but it's clear to see why radio stocks continue 
to take a beating in public trading.

As for WURH, I think they  - Bain & Lee through the Aloha Trust - will 
try to sell that as a stick to a Spanish operator as the sole member of 
the Trust is a woman who was the CFO for Entravision for some time and 
she is well versed in Spanish format radio.  David Tomm hit the nail on 
the head in his response.

Alan

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Aug  4 12:02:06 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:02:06 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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<<On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:54:07 -0400, Aaron Read <readaaron@friedbagels.com> said:

> Those numbers could conceivably be "cheap" enough to put them within the 
> reach of WSHU or Connecticut Public Radio, via a loan from Public Radio 
> Capital.  Especially WZMX, which would be a coveted property by either 
> entity since it's centrally located and covers most of CT pretty well.

Except that WZMX transmits from the same site as WPKT does!  The only
thing 93.7 has over 90.5 is that it's non-directional.  (Well, that
and a history of changing format every few years.)

-GAWollman


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Mon Aug  4 12:55:32 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:55:32 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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Hopefully whoever buys the CBS cluster will keep 93.7 and 1080 just  
the way they are.  WZMX is rhythmic, but their audience goes beyond  
the African American community.  There are quite a few young, white,  
suburban listeners as well.  The situation is most likely similar to  
WJMN.  They are near the top of the overall ratings, and I'd be  
willing to bet their 18-49 and 25-54 numbers are very respectable  
considering the format.  Revenues may lag behind the numbers a bit,  
but billing is still substantial.

People in CT are split down the middle when it comes to sports--some  
are New York fans, others root for Boston teams, and quite a few mix  
it up.   I'm a CT native and love the Sox and Celtics, but I'm also a  
lifelong Giants fan.  After the whole Bob Kraft moving the Patriots  
to Hartford thing which got rescinded at the last minute, there are  
plenty of people there who have a bad taste in their mouth regarding  
the Pats.  Considering how much coverage WEEI gives the team, it  
would probably be a turnoff to many potential listeners.  Besides,  
UConn basketball trumps everything else in season.  Even UConn  
football is building a loyal following.  The areas of the state with  
the most partisan Boston fans live in the extreme east and north-- 
which are covered well by 105.5 and 103.7.  A Hartford WEEI just  
isn't needed and probably wouldn't be profitable.

WTIC has the reputation for being the news and information station  
for Connecticut, and yes, the home of the Red Sox and the Huskies.   
Any change to that formula would be a big, big mistake.  The LAST  
thing they should do is turn it into "WRKO south."  Even if they  
couldn't go full blown news like WBZ, keeping the drivetime shifts  
local and using a information intensive format clock is essential.   
You just don't mess with a station that routinely hovers around a  
eight share, and is currently the number one rated station in the  
market 12+.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Alan Tolz wrote:

>> Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and >possibly  
>> makeWTIC part of the EEI network
>
> IMO, based on the historical difficulty CBS and Clear Channel have  
> had monetizing urban ratings in Hartford, and Entercom's recent  
> history of moving toward FM with WEEI programming , they would be  
> better served taking 93.7 and making it part of the WEEI network.
>
> WTIC AM would likely morph into a "WRKO south" from 10 AM forward  
> and on weekends.  They could actually do Hartford a service by  
> upgrading the morning drive to a BZ type news format, but that is  
> expensive and given their history, I woukdn't bet on it.
>
>


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Mon Aug  4 14:40:59 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:40:59 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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Sounds like WZMX has a sales problem, not a format problem.  It  
shouldn't be that difficult.  Hartford has higher black and hispanic  
populations than Boston, and in a few years one out of every four  
people there will be non-white.  If they're in the top 3 18-49 doing  
rhythmic and reaching suburban audiences as well, they should be  
making a lot more than 4-5 million a year.

Historically CBS Radio doesn't handle rhythmic & urban stations well  
as a company.  Sure, they own urbans in DC and Baltimore that do  
well, but those are heritage signals (with longtime accounts) that  
were built long before CBS bought them.   I'd be willing to bet if  
Clear Channel owned WZMX they'd be billing a lot better.  They know  
the format and how to sell it.

Also keep in mind that for most of last year WZMX had direct format  
competition from WPHH (now WURH.)  I'm sure most of 104.1's  
advertising base moved over to WZMX once they flipped to  
alternative.  WZMX shot back up to the 7 share range right after  
that.  93.7 should leapfrog over a few stations in the billing race  
next year.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Alan Tolz wrote:

>> Hopefully whoever buys the CBS cluster will keep 93.7 and 1080  
>> just  the way they are.  WZMX is rhythmic, but their audience goes  
>> beyond  the African American community.  There are quite a few  
>> young, white,  suburban listeners as well.  The situation is most  
>> likely similar to  WJMN.  They are near the top of the overall  
>> ratings, and I'd be  willing to bet their 18-49 and 25-54 numbers  
>> are very respectable  considering the format. Revenues may lag  
>> behind the numbers a bit,  but billing is still substantial.
>
> They are currently billing between $4-$5 mm, putting them 9th in a  
> 10 horse race with only WURH on the FM side billing less.
> If they were to take 10% of the market revenues as a "WEEI network"  
> station, they would bill $6.5 - 7.5 mm.
> And you are correct, they are top3 everywhere A 18-49, but the  
> 25-54's are marginal.
>

From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Aug  4 14:08:32 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:08:32 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
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> Hopefully whoever buys the CBS cluster will keep 93.7 and 1080 just  the 
> way they are.  WZMX is rhythmic, but their audience goes beyond  the 
> African American community.  There are quite a few young, white,  suburban 
> listeners as well.  The situation is most likely similar to  WJMN.  They 
> are near the top of the overall ratings, and I'd be  willing to bet their 
> 18-49 and 25-54 numbers are very respectable  considering the format. 
> Revenues may lag behind the numbers a bit,  but billing is still 
> substantial.

They are currently billing between $4-$5 mm, putting them 9th in a 10 horse 
race with only WURH on the FM side billing less.
If they were to take 10% of the market revenues as a "WEEI network" station, 
they would bill $6.5 - 7.5 mm.
And you are correct, they are top3 everywhere A 18-49, but the 25-54's are 
marginal.

> WTIC has the reputation for being the news and information station  for 
> Connecticut, and yes, the home of the Red Sox and the Huskies.   Any 
> change to that formula would be a big, big mistake.  The LAST  thing they 
> should do is turn it into "WRKO south."  Even if they  couldn't go full 
> blown news like WBZ, keeping the drivetime shifts  local and using a 
> information intensive format clock is essential.   You just don't mess 
> with a station that routinely hovers around a  eight share, and is 
> currently the number one rated station in the  market 12+.

I agree with you, though the long standing in-market joke is that WTIC AM 
could turn off their transmitter for 90 days and get a 6 share 12+.
BTW, I'm not saying this is what Entercom SHOULD do, just what their 
proclivities are based on their history in Boston.  Gee...maybe they can add 
WCCC FM to teh cluster while they're at it and regionalize Hillman. :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
To: "Alan Tolz" <atolz@comcast.net>
Cc: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>; 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


> Hopefully whoever buys the CBS cluster will keep 93.7 and 1080 just  the 
> way they are.  WZMX is rhythmic, but their audience goes beyond  the 
> African American community.  There are quite a few young, white,  suburban 
> listeners as well.  The situation is most likely similar to  WJMN.  They 
> are near the top of the overall ratings, and I'd be  willing to bet their 
> 18-49 and 25-54 numbers are very respectable  considering the format. 
> Revenues may lag behind the numbers a bit,  but billing is still 
> substantial.
>
> People in CT are split down the middle when it comes to sports--some  are 
> New York fans, others root for Boston teams, and quite a few mix  it up. 
> I'm a CT native and love the Sox and Celtics, but I'm also a  lifelong 
> Giants fan.  After the whole Bob Kraft moving the Patriots  to Hartford 
> thing which got rescinded at the last minute, there are  plenty of people 
> there who have a bad taste in their mouth regarding  the Pats. 
> Considering how much coverage WEEI gives the team, it  would probably be a 
> turnoff to many potential listeners.  Besides,  UConn basketball trumps 
> everything else in season.  Even UConn  football is building a loyal 
> following.  The areas of the state with  the most partisan Boston fans 
> live in the extreme east and north-- 
> which are covered well by 105.5 and 103.7.  A Hartford WEEI just  isn't 
> needed and probably wouldn't be profitable.
>
> WTIC has the reputation for being the news and information station  for 
> Connecticut, and yes, the home of the Red Sox and the Huskies.   Any 
> change to that formula would be a big, big mistake.  The LAST  thing they 
> should do is turn it into "WRKO south."  Even if they  couldn't go full 
> blown news like WBZ, keeping the drivetime shifts  local and using a 
> information intensive format clock is essential.   You just don't mess 
> with a station that routinely hovers around a  eight share, and is 
> currently the number one rated station in the  market 12+.
>
> Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
>
> On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Alan Tolz wrote:
>
>>> Just wondering is Entercom would go into Hartford and >possibly 
>>> makeWTIC part of the EEI network
>>
>> IMO, based on the historical difficulty CBS and Clear Channel have  had 
>> monetizing urban ratings in Hartford, and Entercom's recent  history of 
>> moving toward FM with WEEI programming , they would be  better served 
>> taking 93.7 and making it part of the WEEI network.
>>
>> WTIC AM would likely morph into a "WRKO south" from 10 AM forward  and on 
>> weekends.  They could actually do Hartford a service by  upgrading the 
>> morning drive to a BZ type news format, but that is  expensive and given 
>> their history, I woukdn't bet on it.
>>
>>
>
> 



From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Aug  4 21:08:21 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:08:21 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098837B0DD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>
	<D0785AED-ED42-4DEE-8CA5-287EFC15479D@charter.net>
	<000b01c8f565$0dd4a1c0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<18581.59121.35610.329118@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<001801c8f5c4$60fcbb30$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<4fc429770808031939j615e2fa4u25233ec7eb842c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c8f5ec$06e9c610$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<9A78EF47A3AA4BE6B4A2F4B22C36AD5A@SatU205S5044>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098837B0DD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <9ff2be350808041808m32ed681dgc4e275bbceceaaf5@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/4/08, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> wrote:
> I'm sure the listeners of WWCN/770 Ft. Myers FL and KJAX/93.3 Jackson WY would most likely disagree with you.  Let's not forget the listeners of WBEC/1420 Pittsfield MA, WNAW/1230 North Adams MA and WBTN/1370 Bennington VT, all of which have at least some coverage in New York state.  All of the preceding are Red Sox affiliates.

OK I get Ft. Myers, but why would a station in Wyoming carry the Sox?

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Aug  5 00:43:59 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:43:59 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808032119x36f6b296kcbb565947cc645e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004101c8f50d$539bab70$fad30250$@com>,
	<046B291D2E424D76B78C4A4132B68B67@DanBillingsPC>,
	<4fc429770808032119x36f6b296kcbb565947cc645e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4897A24F.7215.60E8A7@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Aug 2008 at 23:19, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> No station in New England has carried the Red Sox longer than WTIC.
> Obviously the fans who care about NY will listen to WFAN.
> 
> WVEI-FM seems to be selling well in Springfield but the signal has
> problems south of Bradley Field.
 
Question whether, if WTIC becomes a WEEI affiliate, WVEI becomes 
superfluous.  I think WTIC's signal reaches well up the Pioneer 
Valley.  I've even heard it around Boston.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Aug  5 04:17:30 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:17:30 -0500
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <20080805081730.513C449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Curt Gowdy's home state?
 
> OK I get Ft. Myers, but why would a station in Wyoming carry the Sox?

>


From friedbagels@gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 08:19:41 2008
From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:19:41 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <d09aef110808050519w47d8474s73e1185d8af8aa48@mail.gmail.com>

> Question whether, if WTIC becomes a WEEI affiliate, WVEI becomes
> superfluous.  I think WTIC's signal reaches well up the Pioneer
> Valley.  I've even heard it around Boston.
>

During the day, quite possibly.  But I've driven east and west along
the Pike (back and forth between Boston and Rochester) several times
at different times of the day.  At night the WTIC groundwave doesn't
even reach the MassPike, and the skywave bounce doesn't start for
several dozen more miles beyond it (probably not until the Vermont
border).  And "by night" is a fluid concept here...even as much as an
hour before sunset there can be significant interference creeping in.
My experience was, even with a good radio, that after dark you can't
get WTIC from just south of Albany until Worcester (at least).

I would think WVEI would still be a necessary component.

The only thing I see that WTIC-AM would bring to an WEEI cluster is
the clear channel "covering most of the northeast at night" thing.
That's kinda useless from a local billing perspective, but I suppose
it adds bragging rights and thus boosts the value of the cluster as a
whole.


-- 
-----------------------------------------
Aaron Read
friedbagels@gmail.com
Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting
Rochester, NY 14618

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 08:24:20 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <103947.42296.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I used to have both WTIC AM & FM on my presets around here - the AM had Hartford Whaler hockey and?pre-IBOC came in well during the day.?The FM came in well around between Framingham and Marlboro.



----- Original Message ----
From: A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:43:59 AM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations

Question whether, if WTIC becomes a WEEI affiliate, WVEI becomes 
superfluous.? I think WTIC's signal reaches well up the Pioneer 
Valley.? I've even heard it around Boston.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com


      

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Aug  5 08:42:43 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:42:43 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <20080805081730.513C449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080805081730.513C449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D34@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Curt Gowdy's home state?<<

...and, I believe, his home city.  That'd be my guess, but I don't know for sure.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 09:18:31 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:18:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <2484.67788.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Perhaps he owned the station at one time?




>>Curt Gowdy's home state?<<

...and, I believe, his home city.? That'd be my guess, but I don't know for sure.


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Aug  5 10:03:32 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:03:32 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
References: <2484.67788.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CE3F8151E1EB4A3E8877985C805ED8FE@SatU205S5044>

Gowdy DID own an AM in WY for a number of years, but I'm pretty sure
that it was not in Jackson, which is in the Grand Teton's, south of
Yellowstone National Park, all the way on the western side of the
state. The call sign of Gowdy's Wyoming station was, I believe, KOWB
(for cowboy). I don't think KOWB was in Cheyenne, which is Wyoming's
largest city (still not a very large city, however). It might have
been in Casper, which is probably Wyoming's second largest city.
Casper is now home to KTWO, 1030, Wyoming's only 50 kW AM. KTWO spent
many years on 1470 before the FCC broke down the former IA clear
channels in the '60s, I believe.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations


Perhaps he owned the station at one time?




>>Curt Gowdy's home state?<<

...and, I believe, his home city. That'd be my guess, but I don't know
for sure.




From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 10:11:41 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:11:41 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <CE3F8151E1EB4A3E8877985C805ED8FE@SatU205S5044>
References: <2484.67788.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<CE3F8151E1EB4A3E8877985C805ED8FE@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808050711s3f1a0b43g9f03204107b01552@mail.gmail.com>

KOWB is on 1290 in Laramie and is a Clear Channel station now.

Paul

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:

> Gowdy DID own an AM in WY for a number of years, but I'm pretty sure
> that it was not in Jackson, which is in the Grand Teton's, south of
> Yellowstone National Park, all the way on the western side of the
> state. The call sign of Gowdy's Wyoming station was, I believe, KOWB
> (for cowboy). I don't think KOWB was in Cheyenne, which is Wyoming's
> largest city (still not a very large city, however). It might have
> been in Casper, which is probably Wyoming's second largest city.
> Casper is now home to KTWO, 1030, Wyoming's only 50 kW AM. KTWO spent
> many years on 1470 before the FCC broke down the former IA clear
> channels in the '60s, I believe.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
> To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
>
>
>  Perhaps he owned the station at one time?
>
>
>
>
>  Curt Gowdy's home state?<<
>>>
>>
> ...and, I believe, his home city. That'd be my guess, but I don't know
> for sure.
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 10:35:52 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:35:52 -0400
Subject: Update On WKOX Status
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808050735x7763aad7x36a26cffaab5868f@mail.gmail.com>

The STA they filed on Monday was granted the SAME DAY!

They requested 180 days and it looks like that's what they got.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101260441&formid=911&fac_num=20441


CAPSTAR TX LIMITED PARTNERSHIP (CAPSTAR), LICENSEE OF WKOX (AM), FACILITY NO
20441, IN ACCORDANCE WITH RULE SECTION 73.1615, HEREBY REQUESTS SPECIAL
TEMPORARY AUTHORITY (STA) TO COMMENCE OPERATION FROM ITS NEW TRANSMITTER
SITE LOCATED IN NEWTON, MA AS PRESCRIBED IN FCC FILE NO. BMJP-200110112AAQ.

THE ARRAYS PRESCRIBED IN BMJP-200110112AAQ HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO
SUBSTANTIAL ADJUSTMENT AND FIELD MEASUREMENTS ARE PLANNED TO BEGIN IN A FEW
WEEKS. BECAUSE THIS SITE IS A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SITE WHICH COMBINES NEW
FACILITIES FOR WKOX WITH NEW FACILITIES FOR WUNR, FACILITY ID NO. 10118
(BP-20020215ABN), AND WRCA, FACILITY NO. 60695 (BMP-20020926ACN), CAPSTAR
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS STA FOR A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS SO THAT MEASUREMENTS CAN
BE MADE TO CONFIRM PROPER ADJUSTMENT OF THE NEWLY COMMISSIONED ARRAYS FOR
WKOX. THE LICENSEES OF WUNR AND WRCA HAVE MADE SIMILAR REQUESTS AND IT IS
ANTICIPATED THAT MEASUREMENTS ON THOSE STATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A LIKE
TIME FRAME SO THAT ALL SO THAT ALL FORM 302S FOR ALL STATIONS CAN BE FILED
SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Paul

From rbello@belloassoc.com  Tue Aug  5 19:52:11 2008
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:52:11 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808050711s3f1a0b43g9f03204107b01552@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <2484.67788.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<CE3F8151E1EB4A3E8877985C805ED8FE@SatU205S5044>
	<8bce0fe80808050711s3f1a0b43g9f03204107b01552@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080805194313.046852e8@belloassoc.com>


 From the 1975 Broadcasting Yearbook
Curt Gowdy Broadcasting Corp owned:
   WCCM(AM) -WCGY(FM) Lawrence MA
   WBBX(AM) Portsmouth, NH
   WEAT-AM-FM  West Palm Beach FL
   KOWB(AM) Laramie, WY

WEAT-FM listing mentions "WEAT-TV affil" although no station is 
listed in the TV section.



At 10:11 AM 8/5/2008, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>KOWB is on 1290 in Laramie and is a Clear Channel station now.
>
>Paul
>
>On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:
>
> > Gowdy DID own an AM in WY for a number of years, but I'm pretty sure
> > that it was not in Jackson, which is in the Grand Teton's, south of
> > Yellowstone National Park, all the way on the western side of the
> > state. The call sign of Gowdy's Wyoming station was, I believe, KOWB
> > (for cowboy). I don't think KOWB was in Cheyenne, which is Wyoming's
> > largest city (still not a very large city, however). It might have
> > been in Casper, which is probably Wyoming's second largest city.
> > Casper is now home to KTWO, 1030, Wyoming's only 50 kW AM. KTWO spent
> > many years on 1470 before the FCC broke down the former IA clear
> > channels in the '60s, I believe.
> >
> > -----
> > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> > eFax 1-707-215-6367
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
> >
> >
> >  Perhaps he owned the station at one time?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Curt Gowdy's home state?<<
> >>>
> >>
> > ...and, I believe, his home city. That'd be my guess, but I don't know
> > for sure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>Paul B. Walker, Jr.
>http://www.realradiousa.com
>http://www.radio-talk.net
>http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
>walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Aug  5 21:58:34 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:58:34 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080805194313.046852e8@belloassoc.com>
References: <2484.67788.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<CE3F8151E1EB4A3E8877985C805ED8FE@SatU205S5044>	<8bce0fe80808050711s3f1a0b43g9f03204107b01552@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20080805194313.046852e8@belloassoc.com>
Message-ID: <4899054A.6030606@fybush.com>

Ron Bello wrote:
> 
>  From the 1975 Broadcasting Yearbook
> Curt Gowdy Broadcasting Corp owned:
>   WCCM(AM) -WCGY(FM) Lawrence MA
>   WBBX(AM) Portsmouth, NH
>   WEAT-AM-FM  West Palm Beach FL
>   KOWB(AM) Laramie, WY
> 
> WEAT-FM listing mentions "WEAT-TV affil" although no station is listed 
> in the TV section.

That would have been WEAT-TV 12, which had been sold off a year or two 
earlier to Photo-Electronics Corp., which changed the calls to WPEC, 
which is what the station remains today.

KOWB later spawned an FM, KCGY 95.1. AFAIK, both Laramie stations retain 
those calls to this day, albeit under new ownership.

s

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Aug  6 11:32:48 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:32:48 -0400
Subject: CBS Selling off 50 Stations
Message-ID: <48998BE0.9005.F9188@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 5 Aug 2008 at 8:19, Aaron Read wrote:

> > Question whether, if WTIC becomes a WEEI affiliate, WVEI becomes
> > superfluous.  I think WTIC's signal reaches well up the Pioneer
> > Valley.  I've even heard it around Boston.
> >
> 
> During the day, quite possibly.  

No, I've heard WTIC at night around Boston.  Not for a long time,
though.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Aug  6 21:12:13 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:12:13 -0400
Subject: Phoenix: New owners makes staff changes at WTOS
Message-ID: <596C0BBE96514112B7929DFC93B8E48E@DanBillingsPC>

Steve Smith, Chris Rush, and Jessie shown the door:

http://thephoenix.com/Portland/News/65998-Is-the-Mountain-of-Rock-crumbling/


From theseacoast@maine.rr.com  Wed Aug  6 19:40:43 2008
From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:40:43 -0400
Subject: WRKO - 1976
Message-ID: <003901c8f81d$d7dacd40$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2>

Does anyone know who the PD of "The Big 68" was during their "Summer Jam"
era in 1976, when they ruled the #1 rating spot?

 

Anyone have a ratings period of Boston Radio anytime during 1973-77?  

 

 

SS

 

 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 12:16:46 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:16:46 -0500
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
In-Reply-To: <13834282.335.1218123647307.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net>
References: <13834282.335.1218123647307.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808070916t511d30dey1f68a8eb1eea06ad@mail.gmail.com>

WHJJ took one look at the latest book in Providence and started
screaming. Be curious to see how this plays out.

http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1111584

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Thu Aug  7 15:21:17 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:21:17 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
References: <13834282.335.1218123647307.JavaMail.seven@ap0.trial.rwc.7sys.net>
	<4fc429770808070916t511d30dey1f68a8eb1eea06ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4650C5A18B940439704EC12033B5AF2@Family>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?


> WHJJ took one look at the latest book in Providence and started
> screaming. Be curious to see how this plays out.
>
> http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1111584

the gist of the story is that John DePetro's numbers showed a huge spike 
(gain) and not at all reflective of the rest of his station's (WPRO) numbers 
in other dayparts.

in the story, it's intimated that a number of in-tab diaries (6) may have 
come from a "media affiliated househould," which is, and long has been, a 
big no-no.

sometimes competitors scream, sounding like sour grapes.  this time around, 
the shout did not fall on deaf ears and has led to Arbitron announcing it 
would have to re-issue the Spring book.

de-listing is not a good thing, if the allegations ring true.  that, 
however, should not stop a really good sales staff from selling their 
product.  doesn't make it easy - but it can still be done.

--Chuck Igo
(hoping you listened to WYNZ-FM 100.9 in Portland, Maine for 109 hours every 
week...
  okay - 109 minutes every week?
    109 seconds?
 aw, c'mon.  that's longer than "Hippy Hippy Shake by the Swinging Blue 
Jeans....)


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Aug  7 16:00:39 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:00:39 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
In-Reply-To: <A4650C5A18B940439704EC12033B5AF2@Family>
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> in the story, it's intimated that a number of in-tab diaries (6) may
> have
> come from a "media affiliated househould," which is, and long has been,
> a
> big no-no.
[Brian Vita] 
What is the total number of diaries that are sent to a given market that six
make up a statistical significance?  I would think that they'd have enough
out in the market that 6 would end up in the margin of error.
[Brian Vita] 
Brian Vita


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Aug  7 16:06:18 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:06:18 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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How about 1009 hours every month or a very plausible 1009 minutes
every week? (That's a little less than 2-1/2 hours a day.) 109 doesn't
go with the 100.9 frequency; 1009 does.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>; <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Ratings scandal in Providence?


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
>
>
>> WHJJ took one look at the latest book in Providence and started
>> screaming. Be curious to see how this plays out.
>>
>> http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1111584
>
> the gist of the story is that John DePetro's numbers showed a huge
> spike (gain) and not at all reflective of the rest of his station's
> (WPRO) numbers in other dayparts.
>
> in the story, it's intimated that a number of in-tab diaries (6) may
> have come from a "media affiliated househould," which is, and long
> has been, a big no-no.
>
> sometimes competitors scream, sounding like sour grapes.  this time
> around, the shout did not fall on deaf ears and has led to Arbitron
> announcing it would have to re-issue the Spring book.
>
> de-listing is not a good thing, if the allegations ring true.  that,
> however, should not stop a really good sales staff from selling
> their product.  doesn't make it easy - but it can still be done.
>
> --Chuck Igo
> (hoping you listened to WYNZ-FM 100.9 in Portland, Maine for 109
> hours every week...
>  okay - 109 minutes every week?
>    109 seconds?
> aw, c'mon.  that's longer than "Hippy Hippy Shake by the Swinging
> Blue Jeans....)
>


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Thu Aug  7 16:47:40 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:47:40 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Subject: Re: Ratings scandal in Providence?


> How about 1009 hours every month or a very plausible 1009 minutes
> every week? (That's a little less than 2-1/2 hours a day.) 109 doesn't
> go with the 100.9 frequency; 1009 does.
>

the 109 hours was in reference to the inordinate (or thus deemed so by 
Arbritron) number of hours noted and credited to WPRO's morning show, not to 
my station's frequency.

--Chuck Igo 


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Thu Aug  7 16:52:40 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:52:40 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
To: "'Chuck Igo'" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>; "'Kevin Vahey'" 
<kvahey@comcast.net>; <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: Ratings scandal in Providence?

>> What is the total number of diaries that are sent to a given market that 
>> six make up a statistical significance?  I would think that they'd have 
>> enough out in the market that 6 would end up in the margin of error.<<

it takes surprisingly few in-tab diaries to make or break a station's 
fortunes in regards to final ratings.  it's all proportional - number of 
diaries sent out in relationship to the Metro population.  of the diaries 
returned, they struggle to work with and count as many as possible.  simple 
things such as handwriting, incorrect or unknown call leters, station 
nicknames, frequencies, etc lead to a good portion of the returns to be not 
counted, or those portions not counted.

i can't speak for Providence, but i know that for the greater Portland 
ratings, with a population of several hundred thousand considered in the 
"metro," an average in-tab used diary count is plus/minus 550.  6 diaries 
with a significant time-spent-listening to any one station can create a 
tremendous impact on the final numbers

--Chuck Igo



From sid@wrko.com  Thu Aug  7 16:51:13 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:51:13 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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>>the gist of the story is that John DePetro's numbers showed a huge spike
(gain) and not at all reflective of the rest of his station's (WPRO) numbers
in other dayparts.

in the story, it's intimated that a number of in-tab diaries (6) may have
come from a "media affiliated househould," which is, and long has been, a
big no-no.

sometimes competitors scream, sounding like sour grapes.  this time around,
the shout did not fall on deaf ears and has led to Arbitron announcing it
would have to re-issue the Spring book.<<

The gist of the story doesn't end there.  There is a very heavy insinuation in the story (circumstantial evidence, if you will) that DePetro was directly responsible for those diaries.  They were placed in his home town and showed consistent listening to DePetro's show, every single day it was on.  Whether any of this is provable rests on Arbitron's willingness to do what they never do, at least not that anyone knows about: disclose the name(s) of the diary-keepers.  If they disclose the names, and it is DePetro or someone in his household, I'm guessing his career is over.  Anyone publicly identified with being a ratings cheat will likely be unemployable in broadcasting.  Ratings = money, and there's too much money at stake for any reputable company to take that kind of chance.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Aug  7 21:12:16 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:12:16 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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This story illustrates what a joke the system is.  

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Aug  7 21:32:24 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:32:24 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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On 7 Aug 2008 at 11:16, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> WHJJ took one look at the latest book in Providence and started
> screaming. Be curious to see how this plays out.
 
As the man on "Laugh-in" used to say, "Very interesting!"

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From radiotony@comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 21:04:04 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:04:04 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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Call me naive but what makes anyone think that six people in this guy's
hometown wouldn't be listening to his show every hour? 
I mean, all his family members could be listening. 
As well, how many diaries go out in Providence to have only six totally skew
the numbers? Weird. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sid Schweiger
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:51 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: RE: Ratings scandal in Providence?

in the story, it's intimated that a number of in-tab diaries (6) may have
come from a "media affiliated househould," which is, and long has been, a
big no-no.


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 22:03:09 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:03:09 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
In-Reply-To: <489B69E8.24809.15065FB@joe.attorneyross.com>
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A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> As the man on "Laugh-in" used to say, "Very interesting!"//

It's hard to believe the millions of ad dollars, collectively, that are 
impacted by such a bogus system to begin with. Ratings distortion is the 
least of their problems.  The math is screwy to begin with.

Bill O'Neill
//

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Aug  7 23:30:09 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:30:09 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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On 7 Aug 2008 at 22:03, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> It's hard to believe the millions of ad dollars, collectively, that
> are impacted by such a bogus system to begin with. Ratings distortion
> is the least of their problems.  The math is screwy to begin with.
 
They continue to use it because they have no other way to measure 
audience.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 21:47:27 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:47:27 -0500
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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This could be a situation like Rosie Ruiz winning the marathon. She
cheated not to win but to impress her boss and friends back home and
she miscalulated. Could 6 diaries in Providence skew ratings that
much? Apparently.

I am reminded how back in the early 60's my Mom had a part time job
working for a TV ratings service. They would give he cards with phone
numbers to call.

One Saturday everyone she called who was watching TV had channel 4 and
wrestling. Nobody was watching the Sox on channel 5.
Feeling sorry for the Sox she wrote that they were all watching
baseball instead.

A few weeks later wrestling was cancelled.

I have never trusted ratings since.

From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug  8 07:05:14 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:05:14 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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>>Call me naive but what makes anyone think that six people in this guy's hometown wouldn't be listening to his show every hour?<<

OK, you're na?ve.  (Sorry...couldn't resist.)  Since when does living in the guy's hometown have anything to do with whether or not people like his show?

>>I mean, all his family members could be listening.<<

Of course...but they're not supposed to have diaries, and that's the issue here.  When Arbitron calls or writes someone asking for participation, the respondents are supposed to answer truthfully about their media affiliations or that of any member of the same household.  The Herald story suggests that someone lied about it.

>>As well, how many diaries go out in Providence to have only six totally skew the numbers? Weird.<<

Not weird at all.  In a market that size, there aren't really that many diaries placed, so six can make a significant difference.  Having said that:  Diary placement, the typical method used to fill them out (most diaries are not filled out contemporaneously, but at the end of the day or week) and the rate of diary returns has long been a sore subject with many Arbitron subscribers, which is why the PPM was developed.  It still depends to a large extent on the respondent's willingness to use it as directed, will turn itself off if it's not removed from its charger/modem once a day and does not rely on the respondent's recollections, but it should be, in theory, a much more reliable indicator of listening patterns.



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug  8 09:28:51 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:28:51 -0400
Subject: WKOX update 8/8/08
Message-ID: <EAF5F5A6B9554D119CC6697E79151734@SatU205S5044>

Cross-posted from radio-info.com

Quote from: (The Other) Big John on Yesterday at 03:11:35 pm:
Here are the WKOX STA parameters that were added today (08/07/2008).
Actually, they are a reissue from last year's.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=9769

So if I read it correctly, they can operate from Newton with their
full 50-kW CP power and new patterns both day and night BUT ONLY while
they are making proof-of-performance measurements. At other times,
they can operate from Newton with their new patterns using the
currently licensed powers of 10 kW-D/1 kW-N.

It will be interesting to see if I can tell the difference between 1
kW with the old DA pattern from Framingham vs 1 k kW using the new
night pattern from Newton. Newton is closer to me than Framingham is,
but I am right in front of the Framingham night pattern whereas I am
off to the side of the Newton patterns. Also, the old Framingham
antenna system, with its (electrically) 214-degree towers, is
substantially more efficient than the new Newton antenna system whose
towers are only about 84 degrees.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Aug  9 01:11:20 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:11:20 -0400
Subject: Ratings scandal in Providence?
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On 8 Aug 2008 at 14:10, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> One day, while Al Franken was doing a mid-day show on Air America
> Radio, heard locally on WXKS-AM/WKOX, he announced that on a certain
> Monday, he would do the show live from the WHA-I-L-L-L-B-U-RR Theater
> in Boston.  I took a day off from work, pahked nearby and expected to
> walk right in.  Ooops... there was a long line snaking down Tremont
> Street, but eventually everybody got in.  On a Monday at noon, the
> place was nearly full.   The WXKS-AM/WKOX combo was lucky to get a
> full integer to the left of the decimal point, but I wonder if many
> other outlets could fill a theater that size (ok the admission was
> free). 

That's one way to get at least a rough idea of how many people are 
tuning in.  It's only a rough idea, and you can't keep doing it, but 
it's something.

Reminds me of a couple of stories Buffalo Bob Smith used to tell 
about the earliest days of the Howdy Doody Show, when there were no 
TV ratings yet and they didn't know how many people were watching.  
They had started a storyline (this was 1948) in which Howdy was 
running for President of the Kids, and they offered a free "Howdy 
Doody for President" button to anyone who wrote in.  They got many 
times more requests than they had ordered buttons.

Another incident was when they made an appearance at Jordan Marsh in 
Boston, and they got a huge crowd, with a line out to the sidewalk.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Aug  9 16:24:28 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:24:28 -0500
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
Message-ID: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

A few days ago I was watching an energy expert named Anne Korin speak on
C-Span.  She is an advocate of requiring all autos sold in the U.S. to
be flex-fuel vehicles.  This would require government regulation, but 
she also advocates a libertarian-oriented point-of-view otherwise.  So 
she mentioned that it's ok for the government to require that all
autos have seat belts, air bags, and FM radios.  The audience seemed 
amused by this, so she repeated that yes, the Feds require FM radios in
cars for national security reasons.  If the government does in fact
require radios in cars for that reason, I would have instinctively assumed
that the bare minimum requirement would be for an AM tuner because we've 
had a decades-long infrastructure allowing very powerful transmitters for
this purpose, and for all its faults, AM offers long-wave ground propagation
as well as nighttime skywave.  So I was wondering if there's a chapter-and-verse
stating this.  Here's a Youtube URL containing this statement:  it's about
seven minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8WRq2C31ao&feature=related





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From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Aug 10 02:17:17 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:17:17 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
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On 08/09/2008 04:24 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:
> A few days ago I was watching an energy expert named Anne Korin speak on
> C-Span.  [...] 
 > she repeated that yes, the Feds require FM radios in
> cars for national security reasons.  If the government does in fact
> require radios in cars for that reason, I would have instinctively assumed
> that the bare minimum requirement would be for an AM tuner because we've 
> had a decades-long infrastructure allowing very powerful transmitters for
> this purpose, and for all its faults, AM offers long-wave ground propagation
> as well as nighttime skywave.  


I can't offer any confirmation that there is such a regulation, but I 
can think of a possible rationale for it: AM radio is subject to 
jamming, even by transmitters located outside the US, whereas FM is less 
susceptible to intentional interference from distant sources.

Now, whether the national-security justification be legitimate or not, I 
suspect that Washington's real purpose in instituting such a rule was to 
promote the commercial development of FM radio.

--rc


From mamros@MIT.EDU  Sun Aug 10 14:19:21 2008
From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:19:21 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:17:17 EDT."
	<489E87ED.10902@gabrielmass.com> 
Message-ID: <200808101819.m7AIJLu8001876@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>

I know for a fact there was no such regulation on the books in the
1970s, since the new cars my parents bought at the time had AM-only
radios.

It also seems a dubious requirement at best - sure, the car has
a radio, but there's no guarantee the driver's going to have it
on at all times, right?  (Or that the driver isn't going to be
listening to CDs or their iPod instead.)  Sounds bogus to me,
but there are certainly other bogus laws and regulations around...

Might have to dig a bit further...

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Aug 11 00:42:54 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:42:54 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <200808101819.m7AIJLu8001876@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>
References: <Your message of "Sun,
	10 Aug 2008 02:17:17 EDT." <489E87ED.10902@gabrielmass.com>>,
	<200808101819.m7AIJLu8001876@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <489F8B0E.27583.170AC01@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 10 Aug 2008 at 14:19, Shawn Mamros wrote:

> I know for a fact there was no such regulation on the books in the
> 1970s, since the new cars my parents bought at the time had AM-only
> radios.
> 
> It also seems a dubious requirement at best - sure, the car has
> a radio, but there's no guarantee the driver's going to have it
> on at all times, right?  (Or that the driver isn't going to be
> listening to CDs or their iPod instead.)  Sounds bogus to me,
> but there are certainly other bogus laws and regulations around...
 
Could there have been a regulation sometime in the 1970s which 
required all consumer radios to be both AM and FM?  Something like 
the TV all-channel law in the 1960s?  I seem to remember something 
like that was being contemplated.

What I do know is that my 1970 Dodge Dart had an AM-only radio, but 
my parents' 1977 Oldsmobile had an AM-FM radio.  Whether that was 
done because of a Federal regulation or because of increased demand 
for FM, I can't say.  I suspect the latter.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Aug 11 00:54:48 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:54:48 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <489F8B0E.27583.170AC01@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <Your message of "Sun,
	10 Aug 2008 02:17:17 EDT." <489E87ED.10902@gabrielmass.com>
	<200808101819.m7AIJLu8001876@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>
	<489F8B0E.27583.170AC01@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <18591.50712.885355.598039@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:42:54 -0400, "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> Could there have been a regulation sometime in the 1970s which 
> required all consumer radios to be both AM and FM?

Nope.  My parents bought cars with AM-only radios as late as 1983.

> Something like the TV all-channel law in the 1960s?  I seem to
> remember something like that was being contemplated.

The early FM broadcasters would have loved it, but the All Channels
Act explicitly applies only to television, and Congress has never
authorized its extension to other media.

-GAWollman

From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Aug 11 08:42:11 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:42:11 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <489F8B0E.27583.170AC01@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <489E87ED.10902@gabrielmass.com>
	<200808101819.m7AIJLu8001876@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu>
	<489F8B0E.27583.170AC01@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <9ff2be350808110542t174dd9e4u4ecd83b3a5a41037@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/11/08, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> What I do know is that my 1970 Dodge Dart had an AM-only radio, but
> my parents' 1977 Oldsmobile had an AM-FM radio.  Whether that was
> done because of a Federal regulation or because of increased demand
> for FM, I can't say.  I suspect the latter.
>

Your suspicions are correct.  AM-only radios were still "standard"
equipment in many makes well into the 80s.  An old girlfriend had an
'86 Suburu, and the factory radio was AM only IIRC.

From dcassell@gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 08:43:06 2008
From: dcassell@gmail.com (Damon Cassell)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:43:06 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <2979f9f40808110543y5c3c1bb1ica0295090b93ee80@mail.gmail.com>

There are cars sold in the US in the last 10 years that had no radio
at all, just an empty slot in the dash where the radio would normally
be. This includes certain models of the Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza
and I believe the Mitsubishi Lancer (Evo). This is common when
manufacturers build high performance versions of cars that might see
club racing, but are still street legal and sold off dealer lots.

Damon



On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
> A few days ago I was watching an energy expert named Anne Korin speak on
> C-Span.  She is an advocate of requiring all autos sold in the U.S. to
> be flex-fuel vehicles.  This would require government regulation, but
> she also advocates a libertarian-oriented point-of-view otherwise.  So
> she mentioned that it's ok for the government to require that all
> autos have seat belts, air bags, and FM radios.  The audience seemed
> amused by this, so she repeated that yes, the Feds require FM radios in
> cars for national security reasons.  If the government does in fact
> require radios in cars for that reason, I would have instinctively assumed
> that the bare minimum requirement would be for an AM tuner because we've
> had a decades-long infrastructure allowing very powerful transmitters for
> this purpose, and for all its faults, AM offers long-wave ground propagation
> as well as nighttime skywave.  So I was wondering if there's a chapter-and-verse
> stating this.  Here's a Youtube URL containing this statement:  it's about
> seven minutes in.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Aug 11 13:10:49 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:10:49 -0500
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
Message-ID: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://3wtradio.com/?sid=1457419&nid=24

Bonneville is dropping talk at its WWWT 1500/107.7 in Washington D.C. They had tried a mixture of
"left, right and whatever we want" talk but apparently it's now gone due to a "business decision".
The station had featured hosts ranging from Randi Rhodes to Neil Boortz, Stephanie Miller to
Glenn Beck, Tony Kornheiser to Phil Hendrie, and Bill O'Reilly to Jerry Doyle. 

From theseacoast@maine.rr.com  Mon Aug 11 08:02:31 2008
From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:02:31 -0400
Subject: HD has Reached The Seacoast
Message-ID: <000001c8fbaa$220898e0$6501a8c0@vpr1>

Clear Channel now has all of it's Seacoast stations broadcasting in HD.
None of them are running any multi-stream broadcasts other than the main
program.  (WHEB, WSXS, WMYF-AM, WERZ)
 
 
John

From Moo92fm@aol.com  Mon Aug 11 12:17:53 2008
From: Moo92fm@aol.com (Moo92fm@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:17:53 EDT
Subject: Looking for logos for WIZR, WENT, WKOL all in upstate NY
Message-ID: <d17.3176d703.35d1c031@aol.com>

Hello all, 

I am looking for jpg's or gif's (or whatever format you've got) of the logos 
from these stations: WIZR (Johnstown, NY), WENT (Gloversville, NY),  and WKOL 
(Amsterdam, NY).  

I'm particularly intersted in WIZR's original logo from the mid/late '60s 
which featured art of an owl sitting on top of a microphone, and WENT's logo 
which was a stylized old-time radio set.  

If you've got any of these or know where I can find them, I'd be much 
obliged.  Thank you!

-Fred Pagano (moo92fm@aol.com)




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From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 13:44:18 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
In-Reply-To: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <725018.75093.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Mon, 8/11/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> Bonneville is dropping talk at its WWWT 1500/107.7 in
> Washington D.C. They had tried a mixture of
> "left, right and whatever we want" talk but
> apparently it's now gone due to a "business
> decision".
> The station had featured hosts ranging from Randi Rhodes to
> Neil Boortz, Stephanie Miller to
> Glenn Beck, Tony Kornheiser to Phil Hendrie, and Bill
> O'Reilly to Jerry Doyle.

So they're really putting all-federal radio WFED on 1500? Why not put WTOP back on 1500? That would make too much sense.


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Aug 11 13:50:27 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:50:27 -0400
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
References: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <3D63D814DC6042B48DA88FBAB6DBCD18@SatU205S5044>

But the link says nothing about what happens to WFED 1050, the station
at which Bonnerville originated the federal news format. Bonneville
has (I believe) been granted a CP to increase WFED's day power from
the current 1 kW ND to 3 kW ND. The night power will remain a few tens
of watts unless/until Bonneville or a new owner finds a site where it
can construct an approptiate DA to protect WEPN and KYW and commits
the necessary $$$ to the project.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Cc: <radioequalizer@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.


http://3wtradio.com/?sid=1457419&nid=24

Bonneville is dropping talk at its WWWT 1500/107.7 in Washington D.C.
They had tried a mixture of
"left, right and whatever we want" talk but apparently it's now gone
due to a "business decision".
The station had featured hosts ranging from Randi Rhodes to Neil
Boortz, Stephanie Miller to
Glenn Beck, Tony Kornheiser to Phil Hendrie, and Bill O'Reilly to
Jerry Doyle.


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Mon Aug 11 14:11:44 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0808111051l25b400t41286fbd11ef9103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <415531.10750.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Mon, 8/11/08, Keith Lavon <keithlavon@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think that would make that much sense however as
> WTOP has plenty of
> coverage with their smattering of FM signals, what would
> make much more
> sense is to put a sports talker on 1500, they already have
> the Nats and
> Capitals plus Navy football and GW basketball. There is
> only one sports talk
> outlet in the city that is syndicated from 6am to 12pm
> (ESPN 980), then goes
> syndicated after 7pm as well except when they run O's
> games. I think its
> ready for a sports talker that is local! 1500 is obviously
> a great signal,
> its the best AM in the DC market, something more that
> Federal News should be
> on there....

Would be nice to have an independent sports talker down there, too, now that Dan Snyder owns ESPN 980.


      

From keithlavon@gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 13:51:21 2008
From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:51:21 -0400
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
In-Reply-To: <725018.75093.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<725018.75093.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3c6f0dce0808111051l25b400t41286fbd11ef9103@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that would make that much sense however as WTOP has plenty of
coverage with their smattering of FM signals, what would make much more
sense is to put a sports talker on 1500, they already have the Nats and
Capitals plus Navy football and GW basketball. There is only one sports talk
outlet in the city that is syndicated from 6am to 12pm (ESPN 980), then goes
syndicated after 7pm as well except when they run O's games. I think its
ready for a sports talker that is local! 1500 is obviously a great signal,
its the best AM in the DC market, something more that Federal News should be
on there....

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 8/11/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> > Bonneville is dropping talk at its WWWT 1500/107.7 in
> > Washington D.C. They had tried a mixture of
> > "left, right and whatever we want" talk but
> > apparently it's now gone due to a "business
> > decision".
> > The station had featured hosts ranging from Randi Rhodes to
> > Neil Boortz, Stephanie Miller to
> > Glenn Beck, Tony Kornheiser to Phil Hendrie, and Bill
> > O'Reilly to Jerry Doyle.
>
> So they're really putting all-federal radio WFED on 1500? Why not put WTOP
> back on 1500? That would make too much sense.
>
>
>
>

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Mon Aug 11 15:41:18 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:18 -0400
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0808111051l25b400t41286fbd11ef9103@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<725018.75093.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<3c6f0dce0808111051l25b400t41286fbd11ef9103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C19DA441-2E35-4048-BE0F-DF3D83C5C342@charter.net>

WTOP is already on 103.5, the former classical WGMS, one of the best  
FM's in the market, along with 103.9 and now will get 107.7 as well.   
They will be heard throughout the market and then some.  1500 is not  
needed anymore.  That signal will now simulcast the Federal News  
Radio format on 830.  3WT was never really given much of a chance.   
After "Washington Post Radio" folded, Bonneville simply put a  
smattering of various syndicated offerings on with little promotion  
or marketing.  It was doomed to fail.

Apparently Bonneville doesn't want the sports rights either, as they  
aren't expected to renew any of the teams currently on 3WT.  They are  
also dropping Tony Kornheiser's two hour local show.  I would assume  
that Redskins owner Dan Snyder will scoop up Kornheiser and the teams  
rights as well, now that he has several signals around the DC area  
programming sports.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Keith Lavon wrote:

> I don't think that would make that much sense however as WTOP has  
> plenty of
> coverage with their smattering of FM signals, what would make much  
> more
> sense is to put a sports talker on 1500, they already have the Nats  
> and
> Capitals plus Navy football and GW basketball. There is only one  
> sports talk
> outlet in the city that is syndicated from 6am to 12pm (ESPN 980),  
> then goes
> syndicated after 7pm as well except when they run O's games. I  
> think its
> ready for a sports talker that is local! 1500 is obviously a great  
> signal,
> its the best AM in the DC market, something more that Federal News  
> should be
> on there....
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8/11/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
>>> Bonneville is dropping talk at its WWWT 1500/107.7 in
>>> Washington D.C. They had tried a mixture of
>>> "left, right and whatever we want" talk but
>>> apparently it's now gone due to a "business
>>> decision".
>>> The station had featured hosts ranging from Randi Rhodes to
>>> Neil Boortz, Stephanie Miller to
>>> Glenn Beck, Tony Kornheiser to Phil Hendrie, and Bill
>>> O'Reilly to Jerry Doyle.
>>
>> So they're really putting all-federal radio WFED on 1500? Why not  
>> put WTOP
>> back on 1500? That would make too much sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Aug 11 15:59:07 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:59:07 -0400
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
In-Reply-To: <3D63D814DC6042B48DA88FBAB6DBCD18@SatU205S5044>
References: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<3D63D814DC6042B48DA88FBAB6DBCD18@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <48A09A0B.7070400@fybush.com>

Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> But the link says nothing about what happens to WFED 1050, the station
> at which Bonnerville originated the federal news format. Bonneville
> has (I believe) been granted a CP to increase WFED's day power from
> the current 1 kW ND to 3 kW ND. The night power will remain a few tens
> of watts unless/until Bonneville or a new owner finds a site where it
> can construct an approptiate DA to protect WEPN and KYW and commits
> the necessary $$$ to the project.

WFED has now powered up to 3 kW daytime. Word is that Bonneville will 
put it up for sale. There's nothing they really need it for now.

As for the claim that 1500 is "the best AM signal in Washington," not 
hardly. WMAL 630 and WTEM 980 both reach more population by day, and 
WMAL also reaches more population within the market at night. 1500 is a 
classic example of an AM whose market utterly outgrew its signal. The 
population growth is deep into Montgomery County, Maryland and northern 
Virginia, all areas that are deep in 1500's nighttime null. WMAL serves 
most of that area adequately, and even 980 does better at night in that 
area than 1500 does.

And of course the combination of NIMBYs, expensive land and protection 
for Dulles Airport flight paths pretty much prevents any of these 
stations from moving to more suitable locations. (WMAL could afford it, 
at least; its transmitter site sits on a big piece of some VERY valuable 
land near the I-270/Beltway interchange, just down the street from the 
famed Burning Tree golf course.)

s


From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Aug 11 17:04:43 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:04:43 -0500
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
Message-ID: <20080811210443.D813D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Tomm" 
>To: "Keith Lavon" 
>Subject: Re: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:18 -0400

>WTOP is already on 103.5, the former classical WGMS, one of the 
>best FM's in the market, along with 103.9 and now will get 107.7 
>as well. They will be heard throughout the market and then some. 
>1500 is not needed anymore. That signal will now simulcast the 
>Federal News Radio format on 830. 3WT was never really given much 
>of a chance. After "Washington Post Radio" folded, Bonneville 
>simply put a smattering of various syndicated offerings on with 
>little promotion or marketing. It was doomed to fail.
>-Dave Tomm
>"Mike Thomas"

Talk-show host Stephanie Miller's home page at stephaniemiller.com announces 
that 3WT AM&FM is adding one more hour of her show to the schedule.  Looks
as though her syndicator will have to find a new outlet in DC...maybe while
they're at it, the could work on Boston. (End the Finnerator at 9:00 and
give Reese Hopkins a bus ticket back to NYC? If CCU converts WKOX-AM to 
right-wing talk after the upgrade to monetize its investment in Sean Hannity
and Rush, it could happen, along with Ed Schultz noon-till-three;  Howie 
would love that!) 






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From dave@skywaves.net  Mon Aug 11 18:49:12 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:49:12 -0400
Subject: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.
References: <20080811171049.989B949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><3D63D814DC6042B48DA88FBAB6DBCD18@SatU205S5044>
	<48A09A0B.7070400@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <78150532E7674B5883306577684050F7@skywaves.com>

60+ acres of Bethesda, hard by the Beltway at 270, would be worth far more 
than the radio station if a buyer could develop it.  It would be interesting 
to see how that land use battle would shape up. I wonder if there is still 
enough uncommitted land in the northern part of Montgomery County to provide 
the TDRs that would be required to offset that development.

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves Consulting LLC



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Bob Carpenter" 
<rcarpen@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: "Left, right, whatever" talk station gone in D.C.


>
> Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>> But the link says nothing about what happens to WFED 1050, the station
>> at which Bonnerville originated the federal news format. Bonneville
>> has (I believe) been granted a CP to increase WFED's day power from
>> the current 1 kW ND to 3 kW ND. The night power will remain a few tens
>> of watts unless/until Bonneville or a new owner finds a site where it
>> can construct an approptiate DA to protect WEPN and KYW and commits
>> the necessary $$$ to the project.
>
> WFED has now powered up to 3 kW daytime. Word is that Bonneville will put 
> it up for sale. There's nothing they really need it for now.
>
> As for the claim that 1500 is "the best AM signal in Washington," not 
> hardly. WMAL 630 and WTEM 980 both reach more population by day, and WMAL 
> also reaches more population within the market at night. 1500 is a classic 
> example of an AM whose market utterly outgrew its signal. The population 
> growth is deep into Montgomery County, Maryland and northern Virginia, all 
> areas that are deep in 1500's nighttime null. WMAL serves most of that 
> area adequately, and even 980 does better at night in that area than 1500 
> does.
>
> And of course the combination of NIMBYs, expensive land and protection for 
> Dulles Airport flight paths pretty much prevents any of these stations 
> from moving to more suitable locations. (WMAL could afford it, at least; 
> its transmitter site sits on a big piece of some VERY valuable land near 
> the I-270/Beltway interchange, just down the street from the famed Burning 
> Tree golf course.)
>
> s
>
>
> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Aug 12 01:02:13 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:02:13 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <2979f9f40808110543y5c3c1bb1ica0295090b93ee80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<2979f9f40808110543y5c3c1bb1ica0295090b93ee80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A0E115.3737.5E8459@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 11 Aug 2008 at 8:43, Damon Cassell wrote:

> There are cars sold in the US in the last 10 years that had no radio
> at all, just an empty slot in the dash where the radio would normally
> be. This includes certain models of the Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza
> and I believe the Mitsubishi Lancer (Evo). This is common when
> manufacturers build high performance versions of cars that might see
> club racing, but are still street legal and sold off dealer lots.
 
I remember my father buying a car without a radio back in 1965.  As a 
depression-era penny-watcher, this helped him to justify to himself 
the idea of our becoming a two-car family.  He got a Plymouth Valiant 
stripped down.  It didn't take long before he added a radio.  And a 
windshield washer.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From hykker@wildblue.net  Tue Aug 12 10:19:11 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:19:11 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
In-Reply-To: <48A0E115.3737.5E8459@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20080809202429.07A36BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
	<2979f9f40808110543y5c3c1bb1ica0295090b93ee80@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A0E115.3737.5E8459@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <9ff2be350808120719l56b49859n39eb8c117cad1b25@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/12/08, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2008 at 8:43, Damon Cassell wrote:
>
> > There are cars sold in the US in the last 10 years that had no radio
> > at all, just an empty slot in the dash where the radio would normally
> > be. This includes certain models of the Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza
> > and I believe the Mitsubishi Lancer (Evo). This is common when
> > manufacturers build high performance versions of cars that might see
> > club racing, but are still street legal and sold off dealer lots.
>
> I remember my father buying a car without a radio back in 1965.  As a
> depression-era penny-watcher, this helped him to justify to himself
> the idea of our becoming a two-car family.  He got a Plymouth Valiant
> stripped down.  It didn't take long before he added a radio.  And a
> windshield washer.
>

As recently as the 90s, some manufacturers (GM was one that I know of)
offered a "delete radio" option for customers who intended to install
an aftermarket stereo.  I think the wiring was in place.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Aug 12 10:30:25 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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<<On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:19:11 -0400, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> said:

> As recently as the 90s, some manufacturers (GM was one that I know of)
> offered a "delete radio" option for customers who intended to install
> an aftermarket stereo.  I think the wiring was in place.

Of course, what's happened since then is that many manufacturers have
integrated their factory radios more deeply with the car's control
electronics and dashboard trim, particularly in the flagship sedans,
making it impossible to put in an aftermarket radio.

-GAWollman


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 12 12:20:53 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:20:53 -0400
Subject: HD has Reached The Seacoast
References: <000001c8fbaa$220898e0$6501a8c0@vpr1>
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----- Original Message -----
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To: Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: HD has Reached The Seacoast


> Clear Channel now has all of it's Seacoast stations broadcasting in HD.
> None of them are running any multi-stream broadcasts other than the main
> program.  (WHEB, WSXS, WMYF-AM, WERZ)
>
>
> John
>
>

Are these stations among the small and medium market stations that Clear
Channel plans to sell off? That may explain the lack of HD-2 programming. I
also wonder if the new, leaner and meaner Clear Channel is as gung-ho about
HD as it was before.

Howard



From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Aug 12 13:14:38 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:14:38 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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At 10:30 AM 8/12/2008, Garrett Wollman wrote:

>Of course, what's happened since then is that many manufacturers have
>integrated their factory radios more deeply with the car's control
>electronics and dashboard trim, particularly in the flagship sedans,
>making it impossible to put in an aftermarket radio.

Some third party manufacturers have come up with panel adapters for 
aftermarket radios which duplicate the controls in the original 
radio.  They are, I believe, rather expensive, though, so you must 
really want an aftermarket radio to justify getting one.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Aug 12 13:49:47 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:47 -0400
Subject: HD has Reached The Seacoast
In-Reply-To: <001a01c8fc97$653cbe00$f38c4c0c@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c8fbaa$220898e0$6501a8c0@vpr1>
	<001a01c8fc97$653cbe00$f38c4c0c@oemcomputer>
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No, they are planning to keep the Portsmouth cluster.   However they  
have to spin off WGIP (1540/Exeter) to stay within the new ownership  
limits as part of the sale.  CC is shedding small market stations in  
isolated, non-growth areas like Maine (ex: the stations they just  
sold off to Blueberry) and areas such as Lebanon, NH and Burlington,  
VT.  Smaller markets along the Boston to DC corridor should be safe,  
like Portsmouth, Manchester, Worcester, Springfield and New Haven/ 
Bridgeport.

  CC has dozens of pre-fab and ready to go HD2 formats at their  
disposal, thanks to their Format Lab.  My guess is they will  
eventually put something on those HD2 signals.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Howard Glazer wrote:
>>
> Are these stations among the small and medium market stations that  
> Clear
> Channel plans to sell off? That may explain the lack of HD-2  
> programming. I
> also wonder if the new, leaner and meaner Clear Channel is as gung- 
> ho about
> HD as it was before.
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 16:54:43 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:54:43 -0500
Subject: Arbitron reissues Providence book
Message-ID: <4fc429770808121354o3d0101ffk743aaa53c566d591@mail.gmail.com>

Arbitron revised the latest Providence book and WPRO took a hit.

http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_ARBITRON_12_08-12-08_KIB6E18_v15.31a47a9.html

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Aug 13 01:31:16 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:31:16 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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	<18593.40577.121163.725349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 12 Aug 2008 at 10:30, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> Of course, what's happened since then is that many manufacturers have
> integrated their factory radios more deeply with the car's control
> electronics and dashboard trim, particularly in the flagship sedans,
> making it impossible to put in an aftermarket radio.
 
Which can be a problem if the factory radio stops working properly.  
As happened with the one in my Honda Accord.  Last year I put in an 
aftermarket radio because I was getting sick of the intermittent 
performance of the factory radio.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From hykker@wildblue.net  Wed Aug 13 09:02:20 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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On 8/13/08, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 12 Aug 2008 at 10:30, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
> > Of course, what's happened since then is that many manufacturers have
> > integrated their factory radios more deeply with the car's control
> > electronics and dashboard trim, particularly in the flagship sedans,
> > making it impossible to put in an aftermarket radio.
>
> Which can be a problem if the factory radio stops working properly.
> As happened with the one in my Honda Accord.  Last year I put in an
> aftermarket radio because I was getting sick of the intermittent
> performance of the factory radio.
>

I've noticed the quality of factory stereos going downhill over the
last 10 years or so.  Lotsa luck trying to find one with a good AM
section, even the FM sections are getting pretty bad.  Seems they're
concentrating on CD/mp3/satellite radio with AM/FM almost being an
afterthought.

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Aug 13 09:30:15 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:30:15 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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> I've noticed the quality of factory stereos going downhill over the
> last 10 years or so.  Lotsa luck trying to find one with a good AM
> section, even the FM sections are getting pretty bad.  Seems they're
> concentrating on CD/mp3/satellite radio with AM/FM almost being an
> afterthought.

[Brian Vita] Personally I'm waiting for the AM/FM/HD/SAT(XM)/CD/WMA/MP3/USB
deck for the replacement in my car.  The closest that I've found is a unit
from Dual that does all but the XM.  I'm not too happy about losing the
steering wheel remote as a result.

My 2003 Pathfinder came with AM/FM/CD Changer/XM.  The XM had major software
issues from the get-go.  The dealer had no idea what XM was and, although he
tried earnestly, was less than helpful.  Around the 4 swapout of XM head,
they started handing them to me as I could do the XM swap faster than they
could.  Around #6 Nissan corporate enlisted me as a beta tester and actually
refunded me the cost of the XM upgrade (which I kept).  They finally got me
a working XM box.  Now the CD changer is wonky.  Oh well.

One of the annoying features about the factory radio is that it was made OEM
by Clarion.  The Nissan's owner's manual had two paragraphs in it about the
radio which did not address any of the radio's features.  Clarion would not
talk about the radio at all when I asked them for info on the radio.  I was
constantly annoyed that the RDS display only showed the first 12 or so
characters and would not scroll.  On XM I could flip between
Artist/Title/Station.  On FM all I could get was station info (ie. MAGIC
106.7) but not song or title info.

Brian


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Aug 13 12:54:44 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:54:44 -0400
Subject: Is What Anne Korin Said True?
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On 08/13/2008 09:30 AM, Brian Vita wrote:

> [Brian Vita] Personally I'm waiting for the AM/FM/HD/SAT(XM)/CD/WMA/MP3/USB
> deck for the replacement in my car. 

Too bad in-car shortwave never caught on here!
--rc


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 14 15:31:24 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:24 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
Message-ID: <20080814193137.53B3927457F@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

I wasn't in Boston during much of the time when Larry did overnights 
for WBZ, but I was trying to recall what were some of the nicknames 
by which he was known-- was he the Commander?  The Admiral?  And what 
was his position with the famous Glick University? ;-) 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Aug 14 16:03:30 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:03:30 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
References: <20080814193137.53B3927457F@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <A55550950A0B42F098717059B9203166@SatU205S5044>

Did he have a position at Glick University? Or did he simply give away
Glick U T shirts?

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Larry Glick


>I wasn't in Boston during much of the time when Larry did overnights
>for WBZ, but I was trying to recall what were some of the nicknames
>by which he was known-- was he the Commander?  The Admiral?  And what
>was his position with the famous Glick University? ;-)


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 16:28:00 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:28:00 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick
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Donna he was 'The Commander'

All I remember about Glick University was getting a tshirt and Larry
had them done in the colors of The University of Chicago.

I also had in my wayward youth a Glick Lemmonade Stand.

His in studio regulars would be Charlie the cabbie and Carl the BZ
security guard.

Larry was on the Tom Snyder Tomorrow show some 30 years ago and it is
possible the tape exists because 3/4 inch made it possible for NBC to
keep everything at a reasonable cost. He was on with Bill Corsir from
WCAU (and formerly WICE Providence) and Herb Jepko from KSL.

If you have any contacts at the Museum of Television in Manhattan they
might be able to track the tape down.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 16:39:24 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:39:24 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick
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Donna he was 'The Commander'

All I remember about Glick University was getting a tshirt and Larry
had them done in the colors of The University of Chicago.

I also had in my wayward youth a Glick Lemmonade Stand.

His in studio regulars would be Charlie the cabbie and Carl the BZ
security guard.

Larry was on the Tom Snyder Tomorrow show some 30 years ago and it is
possible the tape exists because 3/4 inch made it possible for NBC to
keep everything at a reasonable cost. He was on with Bill Corsir from
WCAU (and formerly WICE Providence) and Herb Jepko from KSL.

If you have any contacts at the Museum of Television in Manhattan they
might be able to track the tape down.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 14 17:09:41 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:09:41 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
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At 04:28 PM 8/14/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:

>Larry was on the Tom Snyder Tomorrow show some 30 years ago and it is
>possible the tape exists because 3/4 inch made it possible for NBC to
>keep everything at a reasonable cost.

I have the newspaper report-- 23 May 1974.  Evidently several of the 
more flamboyant talkers (it was a show about radio talk show hosts) 
so dominated the conversation that other hosts, including gentle and 
courteous Herb Jepko, hardly got to say a word!


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 14 22:49:27 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:49:27 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
Message-ID: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

I know that in addition to his radio show, Larry used to be a 
hypnotist-- he also had a nightclub routine, as I recall.  Did he use 
hypnosis to help people quit smoking?  (I have been reading some 
research that says there were mixed results with this method... some 
people, it did in fact help them to quit, whereas others, not so much.)


From iraapple@comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 23:05:27 2008
From: iraapple@comcast.net ('iraapple')
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:05:27 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c8fe83$c505ed50$cb43e962@IraApple>

You are correct but the frequent mention of his hypnotist act was a sore
point with the General Manager who was concerned that it was some kind of
conflict. So much so in fact that the GM ordered the PD to tell to stop
talking about the subject - or else.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:49 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Larry Glick, PS

I know that in addition to his radio show, Larry used to be a 
hypnotist-- he also had a nightclub routine, as I recall.  Did he use 
hypnosis to help people quit smoking?  (I have been reading some 
research that says there were mixed results with this method... some 
people, it did in fact help them to quit, whereas others, not so much.)


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 23:12:59 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:12:59 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8fe83$c505ed50$cb43e962@IraApple>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<000d01c8fe83$c505ed50$cb43e962@IraApple>
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'iraapple' wrote:
> So much so in fact that the GM ordered the PD to tell to stop
> talking about the subject - or else.
Glick could have made the guy cluck like a chicken for an hour or two. 
That'd show him.

Bill O'Neill

From iraapple@comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 23:31:57 2008
From: iraapple@comcast.net ('iraapple')
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:31:57 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
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Now you tell me!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill O'Neill [mailto:billohno@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:13 PM
To: 'iraapple'
Cc: 'Donna Halper'; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Larry Glick, PS

'iraapple' wrote:
> So much so in fact that the GM ordered the PD to tell to stop
> talking about the subject - or else.
Glick could have made the guy cluck like a chicken for an hour or two. 
That'd show him.

Bill O'Neill


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Fri Aug 15 00:24:27 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:27 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <48A504FB.4060207@ttlc.net>

Wikipedia states:

During the 1970's, Larry became involved as a partner in a commercial 
hypnotherapy business with headquarters in Brookline, Massachusetts. The 
company promoted itself as a method for smoking cessation and for weight 
loss.*

* short excerpt quoted for scholarly purposes only. 

N. B. Wikipedia acknowledges that this article is in need of additional 
citations for verification.




Donna Halper wrote:
> I know that in addition to his radio show, Larry used to be a 
> hypnotist-- he also had a nightclub routine, as I recall.  Did he use 
> hypnosis to help people quit smoking?  (I have been reading some 
> research that says there were mixed results with this method... some 
> people, it did in fact help them to quit, whereas others, not so much.)
>
>
>
>


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Aug 15 02:31:22 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:22 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <48A504FB.4060207@ttlc.net>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<48A504FB.4060207@ttlc.net>
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At 12:24 AM 8/15/2008, Roger Kirk wrote:
>Wikipedia states:
>
>During the 1970's, Larry became involved as a partner in a 
>commercial hypnotherapy business with headquarters in Brookline, 
>Massachusetts. The company promoted itself as a method for smoking 
>cessation and for weight loss.*

Alas, much as I admire some of the work that goes into Wikipedia 
essays, I tell my students not to use it as a resource for exactly 
that reason-- you have no way of knowing how reliable the information 
is, or where the author of the essays got it, or whether the author 
has any expertise in the subject.  When I write for Wikipedia (or 
correct one of their essays), I offer footnotes and/or works 
cited.  But not everyone does.   


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Aug 15 03:59:30 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:59:30 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <20080815063135.D6B3A44C04A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<48A504FB.4060207@ttlc.net>
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Message-ID: <4fc429770808150059s2805835avd2148ab903f78257@mail.gmail.com>

Larry had his clinic in Cleveland Circle in the early to mid 70's. It
was run by his girlfriend Gail who was the weather girl at WSMW-27.

Larry in those years was most proud of his ability to go days without sleep.

On 8/15/08, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> At 12:24 AM 8/15/2008, Roger Kirk wrote:
>>Wikipedia states:
>>
>>During the 1970's, Larry became involved as a partner in a
>>commercial hypnotherapy business with headquarters in Brookline,
>>Massachusetts. The company promoted itself as a method for smoking
>>cessation and for weight loss.*
>
> Alas, much as I admire some of the work that goes into Wikipedia
> essays, I tell my students not to use it as a resource for exactly
> that reason-- you have no way of knowing how reliable the information
> is, or where the author of the essays got it, or whether the author
> has any expertise in the subject.  When I write for Wikipedia (or
> correct one of their essays), I offer footnotes and/or works
> cited.  But not everyone does.
>
>

From jfa1965@bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 16:09:08 2008
From: jfa1965@bellsouth.net (James Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:09:08 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
In-Reply-To: <A55550950A0B42F098717059B9203166@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <C4CA0924.440%jfa1965@bellsouth.net>

Did he go by the title of "Commodore" ?

He was big on the hypnosis thing too as I recall.  I think it was stop
smoking classes.   


Jim Armstrong 
Telos

On 8/14/08 4:03 PM, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:

> Did he have a position at Glick University? Or did he simply give away
> Glick U T shirts?
> 
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:31 PM
> Subject: Larry Glick
> 
> 
>> I wasn't in Boston during much of the time when Larry did overnights
>> for WBZ, but I was trying to recall what were some of the nicknames
>> by which he was known-- was he the Commander?  The Admiral?  And what
>> was his position with the famous Glick University? ;-)
> 



From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Aug 14 17:31:51 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:31:51 -0500
Subject: WNNW-AM Lawrence Mentioned In Globe
Message-ID: <20080814213151.CDC7CBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

This might have escaped the notice of most of you since it appeared in the
Thursday Northwestern Suburbs insert of today's Boston Globe, but it demonstrates 
that WNNW-AM 800 in Lawrence can influence events in that city.  Read all 
about it at:

http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/08/14/after_radio_static_schools_say_hold_those_khaki_shorts/

(I wonder if the headline writer used the phrase "'radio static' because WNNW is an AM station?
He or she should know how well it blasts into the city limits there.)
Anyway, the article demonstrates that WNNW offers local programming at least some portion of the day,
instead of satellite-delivered fare exclusively.



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From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Aug 16 00:01:07 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:01:07 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, PS
In-Reply-To: <20080815063135.D6B3A44C04A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
References: <20080815024940.CCD5C23A614@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<48A504FB.4060207@ttlc.net>
	<20080815063135.D6B3A44C04A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <18598.20739.112217.644170@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:22 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> When I write for Wikipedia (or correct one of their essays), I offer
> footnotes and/or works cited.

There aren't supposed to be any essays in Wikipedia... that would
count as "original research" (or [[WP:NOR]] as they usually spell it).

A lot of the broadcasting-related stuff is pretty weak, though.
There's a tension between the desire to cover everything (all 12,000
stations in the U.S. and thousands more in every other country)
because "Wiki is not paper", and the requirement for verifiability.
(There may well not be any reliable third-party source that describe
which particular flavor of satellite religion some rural LPFM is
broadcasting, and even if there is, it might only be accessible, and
thus verifiable, to those who live in the community that station
serves.)  I think the regular editors of the radio and television
articles do care about getting it right, but nobody is really sure
what the right thing is going to turn out to be, or how much that will
fit with the Wikimedia Foundation's mission.  There's also the problem
of fanboyism, although that's more of an issue with games and anime
and porn stars than it is with broadcasting.  (What's the average age
of otaku these days?)

-GAWollman

From HeritageRadio@msn.com  Sat Aug 16 01:43:34 2008
From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:43:34 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
Message-ID: <BLU120-DS1F19D27E7388691A8D2BEB56C0@phx.gbl>

I was an old friend of Larry's and enjoyed doing all-night shows with him about old-time (vintage) radio on  WMEX before he moved to WBZ. He was a very proficient hypnotist too, and worked with a clinical psychologist at one point.  I remember being very impressed one early morning at the end of a WMEX show seeing Larry hypnotize the young college student who was his board technician. The college student was exhausted at the end of the shift and scheduled to attend a class in just a couple of hours.  Larry had him sat down and gave him post-hypnotic suggestions that he was no longer tired and felt as though he had 8 hours sleep.  The student "awakened" alert and refreshed, and was full of energy to face the day.  I was amazed!
Larry's most successful stage show was at a night club at Revere Beach, where he appeared many, many times and did all sorts of amusing
and amazing things using hypnosis.  He enjoys working in Boca Rotan FL for Legal Sea Foods. Will soon be inducted in the MA Radio Hall of Fame.
Tom Heathwood 

From wvnh@wvnh.net  Sat Aug 16 17:29:06 2008
From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:29:06 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1218902400.71901.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.0.1218902400.71901.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <48A746A2.6000301@wvnh.net>

James Armstrong wrote:

> 
> Did he go by the title of "Commodore" ?

Larry used a lot of names and titles depending on the situation. The 
most common was Commander Glick. But he had a whole arsenal of others 
like Streeter Glick for doing the news, Ace Glick for doing sports, etc. 
And yes, he did use Commodore on occasion, too.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 16 20:08:39 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:08:39 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick
In-Reply-To: <48A746A2.6000301@wvnh.net>
References: <mailman.0.1218902400.71901.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
	<48A746A2.6000301@wvnh.net>
Message-ID: <E49A365A0DDE46E7AA6A45EF28F8E1BB@DanBillingsPC>

I loved Glick on WBZ.  When I think back on it now, the show was pretty 
silly.  But Larry was such a great personality and made the show joyful.

When he moved to middays at WHDH, there was something missing.  It just 
wasn't the same.

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Mon Aug 18 00:23:26 2008
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:23:26 -0400
Subject: A NYC  TV site 
Message-ID: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com>

Question of curiosity, for anyone who knows NYC sites - 
today I did a FCC TV Query for NYC, 
found many listed for the Empire State building of course,
but also a number of quotes of 40:44:50,73:56:38 (NAD 27)
(and NAD83 coords not listed).
All of them are a low power TV or DT, lic or cp: 

WNXY-LP 43 LD cp, WNXY-LP 26 LD cp,
WNYN-LP 39 LD cp, WNYN-LP 39 tx lic,
WNYX-LP 35 LD cp, WNYX-LP 35 tx cp,
WNYZ-LP 5 tx lic,
WXNY-LP 32 LD cp, and WXNY-LP 32 tx lic.

Using Global Mapper < http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/mp/20m >
(which does topo maps, but a chore to zero in a desired coords,
and works in dd.ddddddd, not ddmmss)
this site appears to be on Long Island, Queens, Long Island City,
between 44th Drv & 45th Ave, and 23rd St & Jackson Ave.

Virtual Earth < http://maps.live.com/ >,  birds eye view
suggests the Citi Bank Building, blue glass,
tallest in area, and between these sts,
but no tower seen on top!

I haven't heard of this building being used for any transmitters, but...

Can anyone confirm that this site is indeed the Citi Bank Bldg?

Thanks for any info.....and for dealing with my obscure question.
Bob Sutherland 






From scott@fybush.com  Mon Aug 18 00:48:16 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:48:16 -0400
Subject: A NYC  TV site
In-Reply-To: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>

Robert F. Sutherland wrote:

> Can anyone confirm that this site is indeed the Citi Bank Bldg?

Indeed it is. WNYZ-LP is actually operating on channel 6, and its audio 
carrier on 87.76 MHz is functioning as a radio station, "Pulse 87."

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 01:56:32 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:56:32 -0500
Subject: A NYC TV site
In-Reply-To: <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>
References: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com> <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808172256v78dcedd0i5536aab7bab1161f@mail.gmail.com>

A friend lives on Roosevelt Island and has never seen video on Ch 6

On 8/17/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
>
>> Can anyone confirm that this site is indeed the Citi Bank Bldg?
>
> Indeed it is. WNYZ-LP is actually operating on channel 6, and its audio
> carrier on 87.76 MHz is functioning as a radio station, "Pulse 87."
>
> s
>

From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 07:13:44 2008
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A NYC  TV site
In-Reply-To: <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <117803.73151.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

If you ever listen to the "Pulse 87" web stream
(http://www.pulse87.com), in their TOH ID, they even
refer to broadcasting from the top of "that big blue
building in Queens."

                            Matt Osborne
                            Schenectady, NY

--- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone confirm that this site is indeed the
> Citi Bank Bldg?
> 
> Indeed it is. WNYZ-LP is actually operating on
> channel 6, and its audio 
> carrier on 87.76 MHz is functioning as a radio
> station, "Pulse 87."
> 
> s
> 



      

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Aug 18 09:22:20 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:22:20 -0400
Subject: A NYC TV site
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808172256v78dcedd0i5536aab7bab1161f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com> <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770808172256v78dcedd0i5536aab7bab1161f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18601.30604.142082.381816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:56:32 -0500, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> A friend lives on Roosevelt Island and has never seen video on Ch 6

Why would they waste money (and energy) transmitting video?

There's no requirement to do so.

-GAWollman


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 09:42:27 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:42:27 -0400
Subject: A NYC TV site
In-Reply-To: <18601.30604.142082.381816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <380-22008811842326906@ix.netcom.com> <48A8FF10.4020705@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770808172256v78dcedd0i5536aab7bab1161f@mail.gmail.com>
	<18601.30604.142082.381816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808180642x7873aad5k60a88174e7993761@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, I am pretty sure there IS a requirement to transmitter video if
you are a TV channel using your channel for audio,.. or at least put up a
picture slide

Paul

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:56:32 -0500, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
> said:
>
> > A friend lives on Roosevelt Island and has never seen video on Ch 6
>
> Why would they waste money (and energy) transmitting video?
>
> There's no requirement to do so.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:16:17 2008
From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
In-Reply-To: <E49A365A0DDE46E7AA6A45EF28F8E1BB@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

"The Commander" was the GREATEST overnight personality bar none!  I was a "Glick-nick" as far back as 1970 (when I was 10 years old).  Yes, it was true that when Larry went over to 'HDH, his show on 850 was a pale comparison to the 'BZ overnight fest.  It just wasn't the same..... Having those 50,000 watts (100,000 watts ERP) of WBZ to cover at least 38 states and Canada brought some of the most "interesting" callers around the country to call in and join in the fun.  My wife's late Grandmother used to listen to Larry on WBZ way up in Lake Placid, NY every night until he went over to 'HDH.  All my friends in high school listened to Larry on a regular basis back in the 70's.  Larry was one of US!  He was fun to listen to! Even when you felt down.... you knew that The Commander was there to pick your spirits up.  My late Mom was also a "Glick-nick" too.  I saw a lot of those deep purple "Glick University" tee shirts all around the place at Randolph High
 School, way back in the day!  I wish I still had one!

I used to love it when he "shot people off the air"!  254-5678! 

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
"Scanning the bands since 1967"

radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
***********************************************************


--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:

> From: Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net>
> Subject: Re: Larry Glick
> To: "Jack Marshall" <wvnh@wvnh.net>, boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 8:08 PM
> I loved Glick on WBZ.  When I think back on it now, the show
> was pretty 
> silly.  But Larry was such a great personality and made the
> show joyful.
> 
> When he moved to middays at WHDH, there was something
> missing.  It just 
> wasn't the same.
> 
> -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


      

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Aug 18 13:45:25 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:45:25 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
In-Reply-To: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <E49A365A0DDE46E7AA6A45EF28F8E1BB@DanBillingsPC>
	<505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080818174530.3EADC276AB0@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

At 01:16 PM 8/18/2008, Peter Q. George wrote:
>"The Commander" was the GREATEST overnight personality bar none!  I 
>was a "Glick-nick" as far back as 1970 (when I was 10 years 
>old).  Yes, it was true that when Larry went over to 'HDH, his show 
>on 850 was a pale comparison to the 'BZ overnight fest.  It just 
>wasn't the same.....

He started at WMEX of course, circa 1965.  Even got written up in 
Time magazine!


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Aug 18 13:47:01 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:47:01 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
References: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>

Do you think that nervous managements would allow "shooting" people
off the air in 2008? Sort of implies approval of gun violence. To me,
it seems harmless enough, but I think the PC police would nix the
ploy. But what do others think?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Q. George" <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>
To: "Jack Marshall" <wvnh@wvnh.net>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>; "Dan Billings"
<billings@suscom-maine.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!


>
> I used to love it when he "shot people off the air"!  254-5678!
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
>
> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
> ***********************************************************


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Aug 18 13:55:59 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:55:59 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
References: <E49A365A0DDE46E7AA6A45EF28F8E1BB@DanBillingsPC><505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20080818174530.3EADC276AB0@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <CD8B180B352C41E9A100101629F171F2@SatU205S5044>

And his show was fun on the puny 1510 nighttime signal that had
trouble making it across the Charles into Cambridge because it was
surrounded by the monster skywaves from WTOP and WKBW. Now, maybe the
reason that the WMEX version was so much fun was because of its
newness. By the time Larry got to WHDH, the audience was familiar with
his schtick and he might have needed the calls from S Carolina and W
Virginia et al to make it all seem worthwhile. I don't know if that
explains why the move from WBZ to WHDH kind of let the air out of the
show, but I think that whatever the real reason was it was more than
just the loss of the national audience.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>; "Jack Marshall" <wvnh@wvnh.net>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>; "Dan Billings"
<billings@suscom-maine.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!


> At 01:16 PM 8/18/2008, Peter Q. George wrote:
>>"The Commander" was the GREATEST overnight personality bar none!  I
>>was a "Glick-nick" as far back as 1970 (when I was 10 years old).
>>Yes, it was true that when Larry went over to 'HDH, his show on 850
>>was a pale comparison to the 'BZ overnight fest.  It just wasn't the
>>same.....
>
> He started at WMEX of course, circa 1965.  Even got written up in
> Time magazine!
>


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Mon Aug 18 13:59:36 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:59:36 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
In-Reply-To: <1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>
References: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <48A9B888.2040207@gabrielmass.com>

On 08/18/2008 01:47 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Do you think that nervous managements would allow "shooting" people
> off the air in 2008? Sort of implies approval of gun violence. To me,
> it seems harmless enough, but I think the PC police would nix the
> ploy. But what do others think?

No; can't do that anymore.   OTOH, "dropping the A-bomb" on them is 
still probably fine.  <sfx: whistling sound, boom>

:-)

--rc


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 14:20:38 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:20:38 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
References: <E49A365A0DDE46E7AA6A45EF28F8E1BB@DanBillingsPC><505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20080818174530.3EADC276AB0@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<CD8B180B352C41E9A100101629F171F2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <34C706C611CF408DB2DFA917529E19B4@Family>

Dan Strassberg wrote of Larry Glick's move to WHDH :


> (Snip)By the time Larry got to WHDH, the audience was familiar with
> his schtick and he might have needed the calls from S Carolina and W
> Virginia et al to make it all seem worthwhile. I don't know if that
> explains why the move from WBZ to WHDH kind of let the air out of the
> show, but I think that whatever the real reason was it was more than
> just the loss of the national audience.
>

try to remember that the move to WHDH from WBZ was Larry's choice.  the new 
WHDH management made him offer he couldn't refuse - really good money and a 
daytime shift.

yes - the true cachet of Larry's late night antics came from the bizarrely 
brilliant mix of people who contributed and could send the show in any one 
of a number of hilarious directions.  but like anyone who still enjoys doing 
radio in what might be considered one's waning years, a chance to reap a 
significant payday in a highly-coveted daypart is very much appealing.

but he's been known, of late, to pop back up with Steve on WBZ in the late 
night hours to help revisit a few of those memories, and to check on the 
cleanliness of all those Glick University t-shirts.

--Chuck Igo
with the Glicknick song stuck in my head.  again.



From iraapple@comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 14:39:54 2008
From: iraapple@comcast.net ('iraapple')
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:39:54 -0500
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
In-Reply-To: <1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>
References: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <004301c90161$cf69c240$cb43e962@IraApple>

Larry was told a number of times not to shoot people off the air for just
that reason: it seemed to imply approval of gun violence...no kidding.

But we actually did get calls from listeners now and then who were critical
of that bit.

Ira Apple

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Dan.Strassberg
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:47 PM
To: Peter Q George; Jack Marshall;
boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; Dan Billings
Subject: Re: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!

Do you think that nervous managements would allow "shooting" people
off the air in 2008? Sort of implies approval of gun violence. To me,
it seems harmless enough, but I think the PC police would nix the
ploy. But what do others think?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Q. George" <radiojunkie3@yahoo.com>
To: "Jack Marshall" <wvnh@wvnh.net>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>; "Dan Billings"
<billings@suscom-maine.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!


>
> I used to love it when he "shot people off the air"!  254-5678!
>
> Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
> Whitman, Massachusetts
> "Scanning the bands since 1967"
>
> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com
> ***********************************************************


From rbello@belloassoc.com  Mon Aug 18 14:48:16 2008
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:48:16 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
In-Reply-To: <48A9B888.2040207@gabrielmass.com>
References: <505384.74069.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1F78DA6FD4184B8D8D62EA24A6F48F2E@SatU205S5044>
	<48A9B888.2040207@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <90ec04420808181148q2ef40cfcvf0c01c587bd65823@mail.gmail.com>

The Big Show on WEEI blows up callers all the time


On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Richard Chonak <rac@gabrielmass.com> wrote:

> On 08/18/2008 01:47 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>
>> Do you think that nervous managements would allow "shooting" people
>> off the air in 2008? Sort of implies approval of gun violence. To me,
>> it seems harmless enough, but I think the PC police would nix the
>> ploy. But what do others think?
>>
>
> No; can't do that anymore.   OTOH, "dropping the A-bomb" on them is still
> probably fine.  <sfx: whistling sound, boom>
>
> :-)
>
> --rc
>
>

From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Aug 18 15:29:03 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:29:03 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Ron Bello
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:48 PM
> To: Richard Chonak
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!

> The Big Show on WEEI blows up callers all the time

So does Tom Leykis!

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH  


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Aug 18 11:32:29 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:32:29 -0400
Subject: A NYC TV site
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>>Actually, I am pretty sure there IS a requirement to transmitter video if
you are a TV channel using your channel for audio,.. or at least put up a
picture slide<<

Not in the analog service, only in digital [73.624(b)]:

"(b) DTV broadcast station permittees or licensees must transmit at
least one over-the-air video program signal at no direct charge to
viewers on the DTV channel."

No comparable rule for the analog side.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Aug 18 21:18:32 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:18:32 -0400
Subject: Chanages at Atlantic Coast Radio?
Message-ID: <FD406EF796114A249BD5A12ABE442BF7@DanBillingsPC>

Scott Fybush reports that rumors suggest that big changes are coming to J.J. 
Jeffrey's Atlantic Coast stations.  Scott reports that following changes may 
happen:
-- The Sports Talk "Big Jab" format currently on 95.5 WJJB Topsham would 
move to the much larger signal of 96.3 WLOB-FM.
-- The talk format currently on 96.3 would move to 95.5; and
-- the rhythmic top 40 on 95.9 WRED Saco would be replaced by WEEI's sports 
network.

http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#me

It does not make any sense to me that JJ would put WEEI on 95.9, which 
covers a good portion of the Portland market, while maintaining a competing 
sports station on 96.3 and presumely on one of JJ's two AM stations in 
Portland.  (Sports is currently on 1440 and talk on 1310.)  It would make 
more sense if JJ replaced The Sporting News Radio programming that the Big 
Jab currently runs with WEEI and supplements that with his current local 
morning show.  Together, 96.3 and 95.9, would blanket southern and central 
Maine.  With one of the AM signals to fill in bad spots in Portland, the 
triple cast would cover probably half of the state's population.

By the way, if he is going to take the talk off the big signal, he should 
also flip the programming on the two AM stations.  1440 has a better signal 
than 1310.  A 95.9/96.3 combo would not need much AM help and the weaker 
1310 signal would do just fine.  95.5 needs 1440 to be competitive in the 
Portland market.

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From lspin@comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 21:59:48 2008
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:59:48 -0400
Subject: Larry Glick, "The Commander" I presume!
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If I recall correctly, Larry Glick stopped shooting people off the air
immediately following the death of John Lennon.

-Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Dan.Strassberg
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:47 PM

Do you think that nervous managements would allow "shooting" people
off the air in 2008? Sort of implies approval of gun violence. To me,
it seems harmless enough, but I think the PC police would nix the
ploy. But what do others think?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Aug 18 22:22:11 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:22:11 -0400
Subject: Chanages at Atlantic Coast Radio?
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References: <FD406EF796114A249BD5A12ABE442BF7@DanBillingsPC>
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Dan Billings wrote:
> 1440 has a better signal than 1310. 
When did 1440 become a 24-hour signal?  What is the night time power?


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 22:44:47 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:44:47 -0400
Subject: Chanages at Atlantic Coast Radio?
In-Reply-To: <48AA2E53.2040401@ttlc.net>
References: <FD406EF796114A249BD5A12ABE442BF7@DanBillingsPC>
	<48AA2E53.2040401@ttlc.net>
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1440 is 5KW Day, non directional and 5KW at night from 3 towers




On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> wrote:

>
>
> Dan Billings wrote:
>
>> 1440 has a better signal than 1310.
>>
> When did 1440 become a 24-hour signal?  What is the night time power?
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Aug 18 23:33:16 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:33:16 -0400
Subject: Chanages at Atlantic Coast Radio?
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Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> 1440 is 5KW Day, non directional and 5KW at night from 3 towers
>  
Long way from being a daytimer in 1965 when 1310 WLOB flipped from 
Mantovani to Top 40 & ate JAB's lunch.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Aug 19 18:40:35 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:40:35 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
Message-ID: <85BAB1474363455BACC9C92CE090A588@DanBillingsPC>

WEEI to be broadcast on 95.5 and 95.9.

The Big Jab sports talk programming to move to 96.3 and to remain on 1440.

The talk programming currently on 96.3 and 1310 will remain only on 1310.

http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/031753.html

The thing that doesn't make any sense to me is that JJ will be competing 
with himself for sportstalk listeners. In the Portland market, people who 
wants sports will be able to choose between 95.5/95.9 and 96.3/1440. (not to 
mention ESPN on 870/1470.) The end result will be the sportstalk audience 
will cannibalized.

In most markets, there is one successful sports talk stations -- not two. 
Portland is not likely to be any different.

If I were the local hosts at the Big Jab, I would be updating my resume. I 
doubt they will be able to compete effectively with the big guys from 
Boston.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Aug 19 18:58:17 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:58:17 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
In-Reply-To: <85BAB1474363455BACC9C92CE090A588@DanBillingsPC>
References: <85BAB1474363455BACC9C92CE090A588@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <A713C6737C4640A3BAD0B189F9E83A6D@DanBillingsPC>

I should have noted that I am told that WEEI had JJ in a box.  They were 
going to put WEEI programming and the Sox on another station in the market 
if JJ did not put WEEI on the air in Maine.

What I don't understand is why he is maintaining the seperate Big Jab sports 
programming. 


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:08:43 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:08:43 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
References: <85BAB1474363455BACC9C92CE090A588@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <CD0700B305A04F45B2C0DAB887C4AB1E@Family>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed


> WEEI to be broadcast on 95.5 and 95.9.
(snip)
> In most markets, there is one successful sports talk stations -- not two. 
> Portland is not likely to be any different.
>
> If I were the local hosts at the Big Jab, I would be updating my resume. I 
> doubt they will be able to compete effectively with the big guys from 
> Boston.

fortunately for Portland, the audience will support the local sports station 
over the out-of-town thing.  Mainers are funny that way.  If that were not 
the case, then the syndicated shows of WZAN, WLOB, et al would be #1 in 
their dayparts.  but, the current shows that are consistently in the top of 
the dayparts and target demos in Portland are local products.  the best 
showing from the WEEI product will most likely be Dale & Holley in middays, 
given that Dale is a local kid.  the thing i will be interested to see is 
how the WEEI evening product does against Red Sox.  the two are not 
interchangeable, nor are they part of a package.  The Big JAB will continue 
with Red Sox baseball, and WEEI will provide its programming.

the loss of a unique format to the area is a sad one, though.  granted, 
hip-hop is a long way from when Bart Bailey signed on 95.9 in Saco as WPIG. 
(yee-haw, mutha-bleeper)

--Chuck Igo


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:29:07 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:29:07 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
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	<A713C6737C4640A3BAD0B189F9E83A6D@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4FD492D9EE2B4AAAB651AB3EEB955F3F@Family>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed


>I should have noted that I am told that WEEI had JJ in a box.  They were
>going to put WEEI programming and the Sox on another station in the market
>if JJ did not put WEEI on the air in Maine.
>  (Snip)

not to start an argument with the counselor from Bowdoinham, but I heard
directly from management sources at other stations in town that the Sox were
in no way part of the deal.  Matter of fact and a specific example - even if
Saga took the WEEI package, the Sox were NOT part of it (i was told that
Saga at least asked about the Sox).  So, the better speculation is that WEEI
ran out of options and maybe made JJ an offer that made the whole thing
worthwhile.  WEEI will be able to garner some signifcant national ad dollars
by selling their network avails as Network with a broader possible range of
coverage and reach of people.  Yes - the package comes with network
commericals as part of it - and the stations airing the WEEI thing still get
to pay for the programming, too. lucky folks.
  while not being a fan of putting one's eggs in one basket, it is a lot
easier than pushing a dozen carts around the supermarket (or something like
that).  maybe the best way to beat your nearest competition is to BE your
nearest competition.  there could be people who "don't like" the WJAB
programming and will listen to the WEEI programming for spite or whatever,
and thereby still doing JJ a solid.  (note: JJ is a great radio guy!)

--Chuck Igo


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Aug 19 20:02:03 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:02:03 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed

> fortunately for Portland, the audience will support the local sports 
> station over the out-of-town thing.  Mainers are funny that way.  If that 
> were not the case, then the syndicated shows of WZAN, WLOB, et al would be 
> #1 in their dayparts.  but, the current shows that are consistently in the 
> top of the dayparts and target demos in Portland are local products.

We'll see.  But when it comes to sports, local is Boston.  Also, outside of 
morningd drive, there is no local talk in Portland competing with the top 
national shows.  When a local talk show on WLOB beat Rush?  I doubt it.

The Big Jab morning show has an established audience.  The afternoon show is 
likely to get crushed by Ordway, though I agree that the midday show is the 
best bet for success.

I think it would have made sense to combined the local morning show with 
WEEI programming the rest of the day.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Aug 19 20:03:52 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:03:52 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed

> not to start an argument with the counselor from Bowdoinham, but I heard
> directly from management sources at other stations in town that the Sox 
> were
> in no way part of the deal.

Who knows.  Radio people don't always tell the truth so either one of our 
sources could be wrong.


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Aug 20 17:44:00 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:44:00 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
Message-ID: <98C21CFB-A4BB-43E7-9A1B-8D1D7F62F18A@charter.net>

Per All Access...

Blueberry will flip WABI and WWBX in Bangor to the WEEI network on  
September 1st.  As expected, Great Eastern Broadcasting in Keene will  
flip WEEY (the former WTSM) to the WEEI network as well.  The  
switchover date for Keene is September 15th.

I'm bummed about losing WWBX, as I listen to them quite a bit when  
I'm visiting my dad on the Midcoast.  It's one of the few stations up  
there not programming country, classic rock, AC or talk.  I do like  
WEEI though, so I'll listen to it when the I-Pod's not plugged into  
the car stereo.

So, which market is next...Burlington?

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

From rbello@belloassoc.com  Wed Aug 20 18:00:58 2008
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:00:58 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <98C21CFB-A4BB-43E7-9A1B-8D1D7F62F18A@charter.net>
References: <98C21CFB-A4BB-43E7-9A1B-8D1D7F62F18A@charter.net>
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How about 2 "markets" closer to home ?

In MetroWest Boston listening at night is painful.
Natick just 4-5 miles from the transmitter is a dead zone.

Cape Cod is another area that is unserved.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net>wrote:

> Per All Access...
>
> Blueberry will flip WABI and WWBX in Bangor to the WEEI network on
> September 1st.  As expected, Great Eastern Broadcasting in Keene will flip
> WEEY (the former WTSM) to the WEEI network as well.  The switchover date for
> Keene is September 15th.
>
> I'm bummed about losing WWBX, as I listen to them quite a bit when I'm
> visiting my dad on the Midcoast.  It's one of the few stations up there not
> programming country, classic rock, AC or talk.  I do like WEEI though, so
> I'll listen to it when the I-Pod's not plugged into the car stereo.
>
> So, which market is next...Burlington?
>
> -Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 18:29:48 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <90ec04420808201500w503bb0bfq4b0f727adbc5ced9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56351.14348.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 8/20/08, Ron Bello <rbello@belloassoc.com> wrote:
> How about 2 "markets" closer to home ?
> 
> In MetroWest Boston listening at night is painful.
> Natick just 4-5 miles from the transmitter is a dead zone.
> 
> Cape Cod is another area that is unserved.

I can hear WEEI fine in both places -- on 103.7. Its signal is listenable up until about MA 128/I-95, coming in from the south or west. 

Pittsfield, etc., is an area that's really bad for them. I couldn?t hear 105.5 very well up that way on the couple Turnpike trips I've made in the past year or two. That and maybe New Haven (a fringe market at best for Boston sports) are the only two areas where I have issues with WEEI in southern New England.


      

From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 18:33:45 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:33:45 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <90ec04420808201500w503bb0bfq4b0f727adbc5ced9@mail.gmail.com>
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Would the FCC allow WEEI to simulcast on the HD2 or HD3 channel of one of
Entercom's FM stations? Is there a rule against that kind of AM-FM
simulcast?  I am thinking obviously of WAAF.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Ron Bello
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:01 PM
To: David Tomm
Cc: Boston Group Radio
Subject: Re: WEEI just keeps expanding....

How about 2 "markets" closer to home ?

In MetroWest Boston listening at night is painful.
Natick just 4-5 miles from the transmitter is a dead zone.

Cape Cod is another area that is unserved.





From marklaurence@mac.com  Wed Aug 20 18:44:31 2008
From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:44:31 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <98C21CFB-A4BB-43E7-9A1B-8D1D7F62F18A@charter.net>
References: <98C21CFB-A4BB-43E7-9A1B-8D1D7F62F18A@charter.net>
Message-ID: <112128079665625879596849765411070503638-Webmail2@me.com>

 On Wednesday, August 20, 2008, at 05:44PM, "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
>Per All Access...
>
>Blueberry will flip WABI and WWBX in Bangor to the WEEI network on  
>September 1st.  

Does this finish up George Hale's 55 year career in Bangor broadcasting?  Nearly all of it, since 1953, has been on WABI.

Mark

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Aug 20 18:45:40 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:45:40 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <56351.14348.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <56351.14348.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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I live in Northboro, and night listening for WEEI can be difficult.   
During the day 1440 comes in fine, but at night the signal gets  
really noisy.  WEEI-FM can also be a bit choppy, as the 103.7's in  
New Hampshire will often interfere with it.  In the summer it's not  
too bad since WCRN runs the Sox.  But, I can't listen to Mike Adams'  
show if I wanted to.  And, getting the Celtics games clearly can be  
problematic.  WCRN did air a few Celtics night playoff games last  
spring so maybe they'll run more games this season.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Sean Smyth wrote:

> I can hear WEEI fine in both places -- on 103.7. Its signal is  
> listenable up until about MA 128/I-95, coming in from the south or  
> west.
>
> Pittsfield, etc., is an area that's really bad for them. I couldn?t  
> hear 105.5 very well up that way on the couple Turnpike trips I've  
> made in the past year or two. That and maybe New Haven (a fringe  
> market at best for Boston sports) are the only two areas where I  
> have issues with WEEI in southern New England.
>
>

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Aug 20 19:07:37 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:07:37 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <marklaurence@mac.com>
To: "David Tomm" <nostaticatall@charter.net>
Cc: "Boston Group Radio" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: WEEI just keeps expanding....

> Does this finish up George Hale's 55 year career in Bangor broadcasting? 
> Nearly all of it, since 1953, has been on WABI.

No.  George is the co-host of the morning talk show on WVOM.



From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Aug 20 19:19:58 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:19:58 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of David Tomm
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:44 PM
> To: Boston Group Radio
> Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
 
> Per All Access...
> 
> Blueberry will flip WABI and WWBX in Bangor to the WEEI 
> network on September 1st. 

Why two stations?  Do they have significantly different coverage areas?

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH  


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Aug 20 19:29:02 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:29:02 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: "'Boston Group Radio'" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: WEEI just keeps expanding....

>> Per All Access...
>>
>> Blueberry will flip WABI and WWBX in Bangor to the WEEI
>> network on September 1st.
>
> Why two stations?  Do they have significantly different coverage areas?

I believe WWBX covers all the areas covered by WABI.

The recent additions still leave WEEI with a coverage cap in Central Maine. 
Blueberry also owns three stations that currently carry Fox Sports Radio --  
WFAU Gardiner, WIGY Madison, and WRKD Rockland.  If they switched those 
stations to WEEI, most of the state would be covered.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 21:41:56 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:41:56 -0500
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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On a side note is the story true that Steven King bought WZON Bangor
years ago because he wanted to insure getting the Sox on the radio?

There are also rumblings that EEI will soon go local overnight which
is way overdue.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Aug 20 22:01:35 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:01:35 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>; "Boston Group Radio" 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: WEEI just keeps expanding....


> On a side note is the story true that Steven King bought WZON Bangor
> years ago because he wanted to insure getting the Sox on the radio?
>
> There are also rumblings that EEI will soon go local overnight which
> is way overdue.

WEEI will now be competing with WZON, which has a local show and ESPN.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Aug 20 22:08:27 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:08:27 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc 
Message-ID: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

We would love to have you join us at the 2nd annual Mass. 
Broadcasters Hall of Fame luncheon, where Larry and Arnie and others 
will be honored (and will be there in person to accept).  Jordan Rich 
will be the MC.

The luncheon is at Noon, 24 September (a Wednesday) at the Dedham 
Hilton. Tickets are $40 BUT $20 is tax-deductible.  We've got some 
great entertainment planned, including a video about some of the 
pioneers in Boston broadcasting.  If you have questions, feel free to 
get in touch with me.

To order tickets, Send your check, made out to Mass Broadcasters Hall 
of Fame to:

J. Greenberg, 20 Truman Road, Newton Centre, MA  02459.  And please 
indicate how name tag(s) should read.


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 22:15:37 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808201841o20c5408h24923a7bc7146c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <212527.50784.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 8/20/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote: 
> There are also rumblings that EEI will soon go local
> overnight which
> is way overdue.

They never should've been on the bird overnights to begin with. I have a hard time believing that they're finally following through with this pledge in this economic climate, though.


      

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Wed Aug 20 22:17:39 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <53C526D2-8DFC-41C7-8329-65DA2B73A1DF@charter.net>
Message-ID: <212376.76453.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 8/20/08, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> I live in Northboro, and night listening for WEEI can be
> difficult.   
> During the day 1440 comes in fine, but at night the signal
> gets  
> really noisy.  WEEI-FM can also be a bit choppy, as the
> 103.7's in  
> New Hampshire will often interfere with it.  In the summer
> it's not  
> too bad since WCRN runs the Sox.  But, I can't listen
> to Mike Adams'  
> show if I wanted to.  And, getting the Celtics games
> clearly can be  
> problematic.  WCRN did air a few Celtics night playoff
> games last  
> spring so maybe they'll run more games this season.

In the car, I get 103.7 all the way to up Chelmsford, and I don't have what I'd consider a superb car radio. If I lived out that way, I'd just pull them up online. Heck, I think you even can listen to them through cell phones now at mobile.weei.com (no, this is not a plug).


      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 22:28:41 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:28:41 -0500
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <212527.50784.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770808201841o20c5408h24923a7bc7146c15@mail.gmail.com>
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If the sales staff gets creative they certainly can sustain
overnights. Just the number of Boston callers to FOX overnight shows
there is an audience.

Ted Sarnatas would be perfect overnight and might behave after his 3
year exile and another option would be Jimmy Myers.



On 8/20/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8/20/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> There are also rumblings that EEI will soon go local
>> overnight which
>> is way overdue.
>
> They never should've been on the bird overnights to begin with. I have a
> hard time believing that they're finally following through with this pledge
> in this economic climate, though.
>
>
>
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Aug 20 22:40:26 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:40:26 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
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References: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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At 10:19 PM 8/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Donna who are the others?
>
>I hope Fred Cusick is one as it would be nice to see him honored while
>still alive.

Alas, there were so many we wanted to honor, and just a few we could 
get this year.

This year, we will honor:  Bill Buchanan, Bob Lobel, Arnie Ginsburg, 
Larry Glick, Shelby Scott
Jack Hynes, Sarah-Ann Shaw, Norman Knight and Don Thurston

And the inductees being honored posthumously (and some family members 
may attend, plus we'll have a video retrospective about them):

David Brudnoy, Norm Prescott, Bob Clayton, Sunny Joe White
Carl DeSuze, Jerry Williams and Louise Morgan



   

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 22:56:50 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:56:50 -0500
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <20080821024037.718781F2500@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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Certainly all worthy choices.

Clayton had an enormous audience on WHDH when they were MOR kings.
Channel 5 tried to do Boston Ballroom on TV which was a disaster as
the teens had no idea who Clayton was and his radio audience had no
stomach for Top 40.

So many others who should be honored. In sports alone you have Johnny
Most, Cusick, Ned Martin. News Steeter Stuart tops my list.

For ownership one has to include Maxwell E Richmond. What he did with
WMEX was extraordinary given the signal limitations.



On 8/20/08, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> At 10:19 PM 8/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>>Donna who are the others?
>>
>>I hope Fred Cusick is one as it would be nice to see him honored while
>>still alive.
>
> Alas, there were so many we wanted to honor, and just a few we could
> get this year.
>
> This year, we will honor:  Bill Buchanan, Bob Lobel, Arnie Ginsburg,
> Larry Glick, Shelby Scott
> Jack Hynes, Sarah-Ann Shaw, Norman Knight and Don Thurston
>
> And the inductees being honored posthumously (and some family members
> may attend, plus we'll have a video retrospective about them):
>
> David Brudnoy, Norm Prescott, Bob Clayton, Sunny Joe White
> Carl DeSuze, Jerry Williams and Louise Morgan
>
>
>
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 22:19:12 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:19:12 -0500
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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Donna who are the others?

I hope Fred Cusick is one as it would be nice to see him honored while
still alive.

I know he was a little miffed that Bob Wilson was honored last year
and he wasn't.

Fred's book is a wonderful snapshot of Boston radio history as he
writes about his early career in West Yarmouth, Brockton and then WCOP
and being one of the first employees at 1600.



On 8/20/08, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> We would love to have you join us at the 2nd annual Mass.
> Broadcasters Hall of Fame luncheon, where Larry and Arnie and others
> will be honored (and will be there in person to accept).  Jordan Rich
> will be the MC.
>
> The luncheon is at Noon, 24 September (a Wednesday) at the Dedham
> Hilton. Tickets are $40 BUT $20 is tax-deductible.  We've got some
> great entertainment planned, including a video about some of the
> pioneers in Boston broadcasting.  If you have questions, feel free to
> get in touch with me.
>
> To order tickets, Send your check, made out to Mass Broadcasters Hall
> of Fame to:
>
> J. Greenberg, 20 Truman Road, Newton Centre, MA  02459.  And please
> indicate how name tag(s) should read.
>
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 21 01:04:37 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:04:37 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
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At 10:56 PM 8/20/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Certainly all worthy choices.

And the ones we didn't get to this year, there's always next 
year!  Hope you can attend.  We really want a nice turnout to honour 
these good people. 


From wvnh@wvnh.net  Thu Aug 21 08:39:00 2008
From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:39:00 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8711.1219287854.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.8711.1219287854.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
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> "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> For ownership one has to include Maxwell E Richmond. What he did with
> WMEX was extraordinary given the signal limitations.

Wow, this one brings very mixed feelings to the surface for me. Having 
worked for the man, I know first hand how ruthless he could be with his 
staff. The thought of honoring him is still very off-putting to me.

OTOH, he was the driving force behind a highly successful station in the 
1960's and part of the 1970's as well as an extremely good judge of air 
talent. Just look at the Who's Who of broadcasting legends that he hired 
at one time or another for validation of that.

This one is a tough call for me even after 37 years of hindsight. Honor 
the station? No problem here. Honor the men who worked there? Sure. 
Honor Mac? ::shiver::

Jack

From hykker@wildblue.net  Thu Aug 21 08:57:44 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:57:44 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
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>
> > On a side note is the story true that Steven King bought WZON Bangor
> > years ago because he wanted to insure getting the Sox on the radio?
> >

King bought the station originally in the mid-80s when it was still
Top 40 WACZ, and turned it into a heavy metal/hard rock station
because he liked the music and no one else in the area played it.  I
think that format lasted 2 or 3 years before the un-sale-ability of
the format prompted a switch to talk.
IIRC the station changed hands a couple times in the 90s with King
somehow getting it back.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug 21 10:38:27 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:38:27 -0500
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <48AD61E4.8050204@wvnh.net>
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	<48AD61E4.8050204@wvnh.net>
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Those of us who had to deal with Mac all have stories. I remember once
I had to buy something for the station out of my pocket and to get
paid back was quite the process (and the amount was under $5)

One Saturday afteroon I encountered Mac sitting on a park bench
listening to Tommy Hadges on WTBS. He told me he had the chance to buy
WBOS-FM for 300K but said no because of his experience with WPGC in
Washington but he could now see he made a mistake. He knew it was only
a matter of time before FM became the choice of listeners.

He ignored the advice of his engineers and decided to go 50K daytime
because he wanted 50,000 watts on the rate card knowing it would
impress the buyers in New York.

Still he was able to fight the powerful group owners (Westinghouse and
RKO General) well. Remember it was Westinghouse that blinked first
when WRKO went Top 40)

Indeed he was a ruthless man to work for and I understand where Jack
is coming from. However you have to look at the finished product that
people heard on their radios.



On 8/21/08, Jack Marshall <wvnh@wvnh.net> wrote:
>> "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> For ownership one has to include Maxwell E Richmond. What he did with
>> WMEX was extraordinary given the signal limitations.
>
> Wow, this one brings very mixed feelings to the surface for me. Having
> worked for the man, I know first hand how ruthless he could be with his
> staff. The thought of honoring him is still very off-putting to me.
>
> OTOH, he was the driving force behind a highly successful station in the
> 1960's and part of the 1970's as well as an extremely good judge of air
> talent. Just look at the Who's Who of broadcasting legends that he hired
> at one time or another for validation of that.
>
> This one is a tough call for me even after 37 years of hindsight. Honor
> the station? No problem here. Honor the men who worked there? Sure.
> Honor Mac? ::shiver::
>
> Jack
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Aug 21 11:00:08 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:00:08 -0500
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
Message-ID: <20080821150008.BE8E0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

...and expanding; don't know if this has been  mentioned but Great Eastern's WTSM 93.5 will soon re-locate its COL
to Swanzey NH and move its antenna nearby, and by next month the country simulcast of WXXK (actually they may be
off air at this point) will switch to a WEEI simulcast as WEEY (calls that were temp. parked on WTSL 1400). And
a couple stations in Bangor, too.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 21 12:11:43 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:11:43 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350808210633wff53197tdeacf11dc0f57e51@mail.gmail.com
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References: <20080821020837.F01CE2B1FE4@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
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At 09:33 AM 8/21/2008, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

>If there isn't one already, what would be the chances of a website
>with photos & bios of hall of fame members?

Your command is my wish!  Try 
this:  http://www.massasoit.mass.edu/alum%5Fdev/mbhof/  And I have 
info on everyone if there's somebody in particular who interests 
you.  Hoping to get a nice turnout to honour these good folks!  


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 21 12:21:17 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:21:17 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808210738n319960aq2bdcf9473199d19f@mail.gmail.com
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References: <mailman.8711.1219287854.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
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At 10:38 AM 8/21/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Those of us who had to deal with Mac all have stories.

I don't know anybody who liked the guy.  I often wonder how he turned 
out to be the way he was, but I guess we'll never know.  Meanwhile, 
for all of his ruthlessness (and he was not the only station owner 
who treated his help badly), he turned a crappy little station nobody 
listened to into a station that both the teens (who listened for 
Arnie Ginsburg) and the adults (who listened for Jerry Williams) really loved.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Aug 21 14:08:57 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:08:57 -0500
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
In-Reply-To: <20080821162129.E65A923F3B4@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
References: <mailman.8711.1219287854.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
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Mac was a hands on owner who was cheap. But we also know Westinghouse
did not treat the help well either.

Mac refused to spring for remote broadcasts to counter WBZ but felt
vindicated when WRKO didn't as well.

Still Mac was a pleasure to work for compared to his brother Dick and
GM Bob Howard.

Nobody in baseball liked Ty Cobb either but he was elected to the HOF.
In my view you have to look at the finished product Mac put on the
air.

On 8/21/08, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> At 10:38 AM 8/21/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>>Those of us who had to deal with Mac all have stories.
>
> I don't know anybody who liked the guy.  I often wonder how he turned
> out to be the way he was, but I guess we'll never know.  Meanwhile,
> for all of his ruthlessness (and he was not the only station owner
> who treated his help badly), he turned a crappy little station nobody
> listened to into a station that both the teens (who listened for
> Arnie Ginsburg) and the adults (who listened for Jerry Williams) really
> loved.
>
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Aug 21 20:31:14 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:31:14 -0400
Subject: honoring Larry Glick, Arnie Ginsburg, etc
Message-ID: <20080822003127.245F41C140F@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

At 07:14 PM 8/21/2008, Terry wrote:
>Donna, that site has no pics of the honoree's

We're putting them up as we get them.  ANyone whose picture you'd like? 8-)  


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 19:32:03 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI just keeps expanding....
In-Reply-To: <20080821150008.BE8E0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <989632.32001.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 8/21/08, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> ...and expanding; don't know if this has been  mentioned
> but Great Eastern's WTSM 93.5 will soon re-locate its
> COL
> to Swanzey NH and move its antenna nearby, and by next
> month the country simulcast of WXXK (actually they may be
> off air at this point) will switch to a WEEI simulcast as
> WEEY (calls that were temp. parked on WTSL 1400). And
> a couple stations in Bangor, too.

That was the reason this topic was started. 


      

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Aug 22 02:48:10 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:48:10 -0500
Subject: John DePetro's wife returned diaries
Message-ID: <20080822064810.5662ACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://www.abc6.com/news/27241819.html

Mrs. DePetro apparently is the source of the six Arbitron diaries that inflated her husband's
ratings. The talk host denies any knowledge of her actions. I wonder if WPRO will accept
his denial, or will they fire him?

No idea how the host's wife wound up with the diaries. 

From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug 22 06:58:47 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:58:47 -0400
Subject: John DePetro's wife returned diaries
In-Reply-To: <20080822064810.5662ACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080822064810.5662ACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988834E06@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>No idea how the host's wife wound up with the diaries.<<

Simple.  She or whoever answered Arbitron's call lied to them.  When they call seeking households for either diaries or PPM, the first question is "are you or anyone in your household media-affiliated?"  If she had answered truthfully, none of this would have taken place.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040



From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 10:32:08 2008
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:32:08 +0000
Subject: 1.570-WNSH, 1.170-WFPB Off-air
Message-ID: <48AECDE8.40305@Gmail.com>

Since at least 9pm Wed nite, 1.570-WNSH has been off-air.
Care to let us in behind the scenes, Mr. Willcox?  P=)

Also, 1.170-WFPB is off the air this morning (WDIS is in
with Fox's "Brian & The Judge")??they *have* been on all
night for the past couple of weeks, since their previous
xmtr problems.

      ~Kaimbridge~

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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug 22 10:53:08 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:53:08 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or Mrs
	DePetro's misdeeds
Message-ID: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>

I originally posted this at Radio-Info.com's Boston board.

Why is everyone giving Arbitron a free pass on this fiasco? Let's
assume that whoever falsified his or her identity for the purposes of
the survey was smart enough to give an address with a different
"apartment number" for each of the six "people" who received a diary.
That would still mean that Arbitron provided diaries to six "people"
who lived in what Arbitron would have had to believe was one building
(a six-unit apartment building that was, in fact, a single-family
house). It makes no sense that Arbitron should have furnished diaries
to six people who lived in the same building--even if the company
honstly believed that each one lived in a different apartment and thus
that no two were members of the same household.

Having six people who live in the same building as part of a total
sample that had to be less than 100 should pretty obviously invalidate
the claim that the sample was statistically representative of the
market population. And BTW, it would make no difference if the survey
had used the PPM or diaries. If Arbitron can send diaries to six
people that it believes live in the same "apartment" building, it can
also send meters to six people who live in the same building. Given
the small size of the sample that is being used to represent the
market population, I very much doubt whether Arbitron could justify
sending meters to six people who live in the same apartment bulding in
New York City, where the sample size would be several times the size
of the Providence sample!

The radio execs (and I'm not referring just to radio execs in
Providence; I mean radio execs nationwide) who let Arbitron get away
with this nonsense should get together and sue Arbitron over its use
of what appears to be obviously flawed sampling methodology. The
problem is deeper than the accuracy of diaries; the problem is what
appears to be a totally invalid sampling method!

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Aug 22 11:36:34 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:36:34 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or
	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or 
MrsDePetro's misdeeds


(Snip)
> Why is everyone giving Arbitron a free pass on this fiasco? Let's
> assume that whoever falsified his or her identity for the purposes of
> the survey was smart enough to give an address with a different
> "apartment number" for each of the six "people" who received a diary.
> That would still mean that Arbitron provided diaries to six "people"
> who lived in what Arbitron would have had to believe was one building
> (a six-unit apartment building that was, in fact, a single-family
> house). It makes no sense that Arbitron should have furnished diaries
> to six people who lived in the same building--even if the company
> honstly believed that each one lived in a different apartment and thus
> that no two were members of the same household.
>  (snip)

Dan -  if i were not broadcast/media affiliated, my household has 6 people 
over the age of 12.  if we were willing and qualified to be a "diary 
household," it seems to me we would not be precluded.  and like anyone who 
has done a diary review in Maryland will tell you, there are a good chunk of 
those things that filled out in the same handwriting for several days at a 
time.  Maybe the head-of-household takes the time to try to make sure the 
diaries are return with at least something written in them - especially when 
the novelty of doing this has worn off for the remainder of the household 
after 2 weeks of dutiful tracking.

the "different apartment numbers" is another issue.  why would the company 
allow one person to speak for 5 (or 50) other residents in a single 
"apartment" building.  that portion of your question does beg some 
discourse.  although i have not personally seen any explanation of this mess 
that illustrated, as fact, 6 diaries for 6 separate apartments in one 
building.  i have seen 6 diaries for one address duly noted in just about 
every account of the story.

yes - the system does leave some things to be desired.  but, like it or not, 
they are the company that has been issuing the listening estimates for the 
better part of 4 decades now.  the newer technologies won't make it any 
better, either.  the PPM will be designed to track the signals of stations 
being monitored.  so how do they explain 9 or 10 non-stop hours of listening 
to one station when they do not realize the PPM was left on the kitchen 
counter next to the small radio that is left "on" during the day to either 
keep the household pets company or to give the impression that someone is 
home?

just sayin' that there are flaws in every system - but 6 people at one 
address does not an exclusion make.

--Chuck Igo
(yes, i leave the radio on the for the dog in the kitchen.  occasionally, i 
let Lilo the cocker spaniel win one of the morning contests, but only if she 
is the 10th caller) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Aug 22 13:41:29 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:41:29 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or
	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <18606.64073.631035.953161@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:36:34 -0400, "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> said:

> the PPM will be designed to track the signals of stations 
> being monitored.  so how do they explain 9 or 10 non-stop hours of listening 
> to one station when they do not realize the PPM was left on the kitchen 
> counter

The PPM has an accelerometer in it.  If it doesn't record any
acceleration, Arb can assume it was dropped or left somewhere.

-GAWollman

From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug 22 13:50:18 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:50:18 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	or	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098883525E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>so how do they explain 9 or 10 non-stop hours of listening
to one station when they do not realize the PPM was left on the kitchen
counter next to the small radio that is left "on" during the day to either
keep the household pets company or to give the impression that someone is
home?<<

If the meter isn't moved, it will discontinue recording whatever it hears after a certain fixed length of time (I believe it's one hour, but I could be mistaken about that).  The meter has to be attached to either clothing or something else a person carries and it can detect movement, even if it's in a lady's purse sitting on the passenger seat of a moving car.  The listening in your scenario won't count, and at night, when the PPM "phones home," the length of time during which it wasn't moved will be reported back to Arbitron.  Too many such periods result in a phone call to the household.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug 22 13:54:53 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:54:53 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <C0BD43C8E7BC40C3922825261CE53909@SatU205S5044>

Chuck: Just because something has been done incorrectly for 40 years
doesn't turn the wrong way of doing it into the right way. If you can
look anyone in the eye and with a straight face tell them that you can
construct a statistically significant sample of the demographics of
households in a metro whose population is 600,000 or so by using a
sample that consists of, say, 100 individuals, six of whom live in the
same household or even live in the same multi-family apartment
building, you must either be incredibly gullible or you have some sort
of agenda. Since I don't believe that you are gullible, I assume you
have an agenda--to pooh-pooh the denigration of the flawed
methodology, perhaps because it has done well by you, personally, over
the years. Since you are a persuasive guy, I guess if you just keep
repeating your mantra, a lot of people are likely believe you, but
THAT won't make you correct either--except in the eyes of those you
have succeeded in duping.

If a sample can legitimately include six people from one apartment
building, why not get all 100 from the same building? Many
multi-family buildings are plenty large enough to have more than 100
residents. If my numbers are right and 100 people, in effect,
represent 600,000, each of the 100, in a mannier of speaking,
represents 6000. Six people from that one apartment building then
represent 36,000 people. There are entire communities in the
Providence market that don't have a population of 36,000. Carried to
an exteme, I could claim that I an qualified speak for the 40<some>
thousand people who live in my town of Arlington. Gimme a break! I
can't even legitimately claim to speak for the few hundred people who
live on my block. Heck, my next-door neighbor and I hardly agree on
anything.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important
than Mr orMrsDePetro's misdeeds


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
> Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than
> Mr or MrsDePetro's misdeeds
>

> Dan -  if i were not broadcast/media affiliated, my household has 6
> people over the age of 12.  if we were willing and qualified to be a
> "diary household," it seems to me we would not be precluded.  and
> like anyone who has done a diary review in Maryland will tell you,
> there are a good chunk of those things that filled out in the same
> handwriting for several days at a time.  Maybe the head-of-household
> takes the time to try to make sure the diaries are return with at
> least something written in them - especially when the novelty of
> doing this has worn off for the remainder of the household after 2
> weeks of dutiful tracking.
>
> the "different apartment numbers" is another issue.  why would the
> company allow one person to speak for 5 (or 50) other residents in a
> single "apartment" building.  that portion of your question does beg
> some discourse.  although i have not personally seen any explanation
> of this mess that illustrated, as fact, 6 diaries for 6 separate
> apartments in one building.  i have seen 6 diaries for one address
> duly noted in just about every account of the story.
>
> yes - the system does leave some things to be desired.  but, like it
> or not, they are the company that has been issuing the listening
> estimates for the better part of 4 decades now.  the newer
> technologies won't make it any better, either.  the PPM will be
> designed to track the signals of stations being monitored.  so how
> do they explain 9 or 10 non-stop hours of listening to one station
> when they do not realize the PPM was left on the kitchen counter
> next to the small radio that is left "on" during the day to either
> keep the household pets company or to give the impression that
> someone is home?
>
> just sayin' that there are flaws in every system - but 6 people at
> one address does not an exclusion make.
>
> --Chuck Igo


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Fri Aug 22 14:16:52 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <000601c90483$4162f140$8500000a@BrianVaio>

> (yes, i leave the radio on the for the dog in the kitchen.  
> occasionally, i let Lilo the cocker spaniel win one of the 
> morning contests, but only if she is the 10th caller) 
>
Aren't you breaking the rules by letting a member of an affililated
household enter the contest? :-)

Here's the next radio scandal!

Brian 


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Fri Aug 22 14:19:23 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:23 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than
	MrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <C0BD43C8E7BC40C3922825261CE53909@SatU205S5044>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
	<C0BD43C8E7BC40C3922825261CE53909@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000701c90483$9d02e7d0$8500000a@BrianVaio>

> If a sample can legitimately include six people from one 
> apartment building, why not get all 100 from the same 
> building? Many multi-family buildings are plenty large enough 
> to have more than 100 residents. 

The numbers would be even more significantly skewed if the "households" were
in an "ethnic" neighborhood - ie. Chinatown, the North End, etc

Brian


From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug 22 14:22:11 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:22:11 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	or Mrs	DePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809888352B9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Why is everyone giving Arbitron a free pass on this fiasco? Let's
assume that whoever falsified his or her identity for the purposes of
the survey was smart enough to give an address with a different
"apartment number" for each of the six "people" who received a diary.
That would still mean that Arbitron provided diaries to six "people"
who lived in what Arbitron would have had to believe was one building
(a six-unit apartment building that was, in fact, a single-family
house). It makes no sense that Arbitron should have furnished diaries
to six people who lived in the same building--even if the company
honstly believed that each one lived in a different apartment and thus
that no two were members of the same household.<<

Only true if you accept the premise that Arbitron's selections for measurement households occur at random.  They don't.  The company is privy to a host of statistical data that they wade through before making even one solicitation for diary or PPM placement.  If it turns out that six of their respondents live in the same building, so be it.  Where people live has no statistical correlation whatsoever to whether or not they are part of the sample Arbitron wants.

>>Having six people who live in the same building as part of a total
sample that had to be less than 100 should pretty obviously invalidate
the claim that the sample was statistically representative of the
market population. And BTW, it would make no difference if the survey
had used the PPM or diaries. If Arbitron can send diaries to six
people that it believes live in the same "apartment" building, it can
also send meters to six people who live in the same building. Given
the small size of the sample that is being used to represent the
market population, I very much doubt whether Arbitron could justify
sending meters to six people who live in the same apartment bulding in
New York City, where the sample size would be several times the size
of the Providence sample!<<

No statistical analysis Arbitron could possibly perform can compensate for untruthful answers from their prospective respondents.  In the past Arbitron has demonstrated that their samples, over time, are a fairly accurate broad spectrum sample of the general population.  Correlation to other well-known generalized statistical data (i.e., what % of the population owns a Toyota, what % has two children in the house, what % have a college degree, etc.) is quite high.

>>The problem is deeper than the accuracy of diaries; the problem is what
appears to be a totally invalid sampling method!<<

Again, only if you accept the premise (the incorrect premise) that Arbitron picks its respondents at random.

I don't believe for one second that Arbitron gets it right 100%, 90% or even 50% of the time.  The size of their samples has been a continuing source of conflict with their clients.  But...they're all we have, they try hard to get it right (their methodology takes up about half a dozen pages in the back of every rating book) and billions of dollars of advertising every year ride on its results.  If you can do better, be my guest.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Fri Aug 22 14:22:45 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:22:45 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <18606.64073.631035.953161@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
	<18606.64073.631035.953161@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000801c90484$13654d50$8500000a@BrianVaio>

> The PPM has an accelerometer in it.  If it doesn't record any 
> acceleration, Arb can assume it was dropped or left somewhere.

OK, so if I get one of those things, I'll make it a point to leave it in the
paint can shaker at my shop while the radio's tuned to WMWM.  My TSL will
show WMWM 24/7 and that I listen at Mach 1.  I just see WMWM bumping WMJX
out of the number one spot now.... Now to find 5 friends with those
vibrating chair massagers...

Brian 


From atolz@comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 14:26:29 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:26:29 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or
	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000d01c90484$989e5fc0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>

I agree with you, Dan.  Now, can you articulate your thoughts in Spanish for 
those among us who don't speak English as a primary language?  Well, neither 
can Arbitron.  And Hispanic broadcasters are livid about the PPM and how its 
rating and station rank numbers differ from diaries in NYC, Phila. and 
Houston.

As I understand it, the PPM methodology is so bad in the urban areas of NYC, 
that the City Council is involved with Arbitron to try to make the PPM 
acceptable.  And what do the station subscribers get for all of this?  The 
righnt to pay 65% more than they do now for technology that won't be 
available in their markets until 2010, but ONLY if they sign up no later 
than TODAY!

What a disgrace.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Boston Radio Interest" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr or 
MrsDePetro's misdeeds


>I originally posted this at Radio-Info.com's Boston board.
>
> Why is everyone giving Arbitron a free pass on this fiasco? Let's
> assume that whoever falsified his or her identity for the purposes of
> the survey was smart enough to give an address with a different
> "apartment number" for each of the six "people" who received a diary.
> That would still mean that Arbitron provided diaries to six "people"
> who lived in what Arbitron would have had to believe was one building
> (a six-unit apartment building that was, in fact, a single-family
> house). It makes no sense that Arbitron should have furnished diaries
> to six people who lived in the same building--even if the company
> honstly believed that each one lived in a different apartment and thus
> that no two were members of the same household.
>
> Having six people who live in the same building as part of a total
> sample that had to be less than 100 should pretty obviously invalidate
> the claim that the sample was statistically representative of the
> market population. And BTW, it would make no difference if the survey
> had used the PPM or diaries. If Arbitron can send diaries to six
> people that it believes live in the same "apartment" building, it can
> also send meters to six people who live in the same building. Given
> the small size of the sample that is being used to represent the
> market population, I very much doubt whether Arbitron could justify
> sending meters to six people who live in the same apartment bulding in
> New York City, where the sample size would be several times the size
> of the Providence sample!
>
> The radio execs (and I'm not referring just to radio execs in
> Providence; I mean radio execs nationwide) who let Arbitron get away
> with this nonsense should get together and sue Arbitron over its use
> of what appears to be obviously flawed sampling methodology. The
> problem is deeper than the accuracy of diaries; the problem is what
> appears to be a totally invalid sampling method!
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> 



From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Aug 22 14:59:34 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:59:34 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	or Mrs	DePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809888352B9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809888352B9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <18607.3222.834429.459217@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:22:11 -0400, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> Only true if you accept the premise that Arbitron's selections for
> measurement households occur at random.  They don't.

If it's not a probability sample, you *can't draw any conclusions at
all* from the results.  They're completely meaningless.

-GAWollman


From sid@wrko.com  Fri Aug 22 15:25:38 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:25:38 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	or	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <000d01c90484$989e5fc0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<000d01c90484$989e5fc0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835389@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>As I understand it, the PPM methodology is so bad in the urban areas of NYC,
that the City Council is involved with Arbitron to try to make the PPM
acceptable.<<

No.  It's not the methodology they're complaining about per se.  It's the results.  Stations programmed to (no delicate way to say this) non-whites took a huge nose-dive in the first PPM ratings, and other stations that had been ratings losers moved way up.  The obvious question is:  Which results were real?  Both?  Neither?  We don't know.  I suspect what the City Council will be looking for is justification for the PPM results, and I don't know that Arbitron can actually provide that to anyone's satisfaction.  It's one means of measurement, using one methodology.  Another outfit, using another methodology, will arrive at completely different results.  But, with one company in this business, we'll never know...we're stuck with Arbitron.

Having said that:  Do we really want government sticking their nose into this?  What business is it of theirs?  If they don't like what they hear from Arbitron, what are they going to do about it?  What CAN they do about it?

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Aug 22 15:33:00 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:33:00 -0500
Subject: WKOX testing new signal?
Message-ID: <20080822193300.7506483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Laurence Glavin noted on the radio-info board that WKOX was off air but I just tuned in here in Beverly and
they are loud and clear--testing new signal? WESX, on the other hand, just has a dead air signal (I have
a digital tuner so no, I wasn't getting WESX by mistake). Just a loud buzz but nothing else at 1230; sister WJDA
is on, however. And still nothing at WNSH (I'm a mile or so away from their stick)

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Aug 22 16:06:42 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:06:42 -0500
Subject: WESX, WNSH back
Message-ID: <20080822200645.717AB49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

As I mentioned, WKOX may have been temp. off but came back on strong here in Beverly; WESX had been
a dead air signal but now is back on, and WNSH has returned to the air as well. I'm suspecting a tech.
prob at WNSH while WKOX is perhaps testing from their new tower, and WESX is in the process of
moving to the WLYN stick. 

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug 22 16:18:53 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:18:53 -0400
Subject: WKOX testing new signal?
References: <20080822193300.7506483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <DBB8D41E7A004C828476B39792C18D4D@SatU205S5044>

If WKOX was running high power from Newton this afternoon, I missed
it. It is 4:15 now. Last time I tuned in, it was ~2:30. At neither
time did the signal sound any stronger than I am accustomed to
hearing. In fact, I don't know whether the signal is as strong at the
moment as what I'm used to. I need to try a different radio and I also
need to try rotating the radio.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: WKOX testing new signal?


Laurence Glavin noted on the radio-info board that WKOX was off air
but I just tuned in here in Beverly and
they are loud and clear--testing new signal? WESX, on the other hand,
just has a dead air signal (I have
a digital tuner so no, I wasn't getting WESX by mistake). Just a loud
buzz but nothing else at 1230; sister WJDA
is on, however. And still nothing at WNSH (I'm a mile or so away from
their stick)


From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Aug 22 16:03:47 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:03:47 -0500
Subject: WKOX testing new signal?
Message-ID: <20080822200348.3931E1CE825@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Nelson" 
>To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: WKOX testing new signal?
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:33:00 -0500

>
>Laurence Glavin noted on the radio-info board that WKOX was off air 
>but I just tuned in here in Beverly and
>they are loud and clear--testing new signal? 

I specifified "as of 1:00 pm"...I didn't expect a long absence.



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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 16:49:27 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:49:27 -0500
Subject: WESX, WNSH back
In-Reply-To: <20080822200645.717AB49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080822200645.717AB49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808221349x622be2c7y7eae4c242657878@mail.gmail.com>

WNSH's own website said they had technical problems and would be back in the
afternoon.

Movin the stick or putting up a new one wouldn't cause so much dead air..
they would've just shut it off. I'm betting on a programming feed issue or
STL issue with WESX and Jeff Kline isn't aware of it... 'cuse Im sure if it
was a prolonged problem that he was aware of, he'd just shut the transmitte
roff.

Paul



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:

> As I mentioned, WKOX may have been temp. off but came back on strong here
> in Beverly; WESX had been
> a dead air signal but now is back on, and WNSH has returned to the air as
> well. I'm suspecting a tech.
> prob at WNSH while WKOX is perhaps testing from their new tower, and WESX
> is in the process of
> moving to the WLYN stick.
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Aug 22 16:49:32 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:49:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: 1.570-WNSH, 1.170-WFPB Off-air
Message-ID: <14431022.1219438172302.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Also, 1.170-WFPB is off the air this morning (WDIS is in
>with Fox's "Brian & The Judge")??they *have* been on all
>night for the past couple of weeks, since their previous
>xmtr problems.
>
>      ~Kaimbridge~

WFPB 1170 has been on all night? I thought they were
strictly only a daytimer, making way for WWVA at night.

Have they recently acquired some low power nighttime
authorization? I didn't know of them having one. 

EP




From atolz@comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 16:51:35 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:51:35 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than
	Mror	MrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><000d01c90484$989e5fc0$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835389@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <000301c90498$de988f50$6d01a8c0@mediacenter>

>> Having said that:  Do we really want government sticking their nose into 
>> this?  What business is it of theirs?  If they don't like what they hear 
>> from Arbitron, what are they going to do about it?  What CAN they do 
>> about it?>>

No.

It's NOT their business at all.

Nothing that matters to the advertiing buying community.

Bring it under a big public spotlight.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com>
To: "Boston Radio Interest" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mror 
MrsDePetro's misdeeds


>>As I understand it, the PPM methodology is so bad in the urban areas of 
>>NYC,
that the City Council is involved with Arbitron to try to make the PPM
acceptable.<<

No.  It's not the methodology they're complaining about per se.  It's the 
results.  Stations programmed to (no delicate way to say this) non-whites 
took a huge nose-dive in the first PPM ratings, and other stations that had 
been ratings losers moved way up.  The obvious question is:  Which results 
were real?  Both?  Neither?  We don't know.  I suspect what the City Council 
will be looking for is justification for the PPM results, and I don't know 
that Arbitron can actually provide that to anyone's satisfaction.  It's one 
means of measurement, using one methodology.  Another outfit, using another 
methodology, will arrive at completely different results.  But, with one 
company in this business, we'll never know...we're stuck with Arbitron.

Having said that:  Do we really want government sticking their nose into 
this?  What business is it of theirs?  If they don't like what they hear 
from Arbitron, what are they going to do about it?  What CAN they do about 
it?

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040






From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Aug 22 17:03:12 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:03:12 -0400
Subject: WESX, WNSH back
References: <20080822200645.717AB49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8bce0fe80808221349x622be2c7y7eae4c242657878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <578E210F771041FBB1A2275652B268B2@SatU205S5044>

Jeff is at WLYN/WAZN. It's true that the ownership of WESX/WJDA
(Principle Radio Group) started out at MRBI (Multicultural, which owns
WLYN/WAZN), but aside from sharing the WLYN tower (which neither
company owns), there is no official connection between the two
companies. From some of Jeff's comments about Principle at
radio-info.com, I gather that there is also no love lost between the
companies.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: WESX, WNSH back


> WNSH's own website said they had technical problems and would be
> back in the
> afternoon.
>
> Movin the stick or putting up a new one wouldn't cause so much dead
> air..
> they would've just shut it off. I'm betting on a programming feed
> issue or
> STL issue with WESX and Jeff Kline isn't aware of it... 'cuse Im
> sure if it
> was a prolonged problem that he was aware of, he'd just shut the
> transmitte
> roff.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned, WKOX may have been temp. off but came back on
>> strong here
>> in Beverly; WESX had been
>> a dead air signal but now is back on, and WNSH has returned to the
>> air as
>> well. I'm suspecting a tech.
>> prob at WNSH while WKOX is perhaps testing from their new tower,
>> and WESX
>> is in the process of
>> moving to the WLYN stick.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Aug 22 17:56:13 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:56:13 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
	<000601c90483$4162f140$8500000a@BrianVaio>
Message-ID: <12E9635546B44E909924220B6A802942@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>


>> (yes, i leave the radio on the for the dog in the kitchen.  
>> occasionally, i let Lilo the cocker spaniel win one of the 
>> morning contests, but only if she is the 10th caller) 
>>
> Aren't you breaking the rules by letting a member of an affililated
> household enter the contest? :-)
> 
> Here's the next radio scandal!


not if we're playing smooth jazz.

--Chuck Igo

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Aug 22 18:06:30 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:06:30 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
	<C0BD43C8E7BC40C3922825261CE53909@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <593E47127E704537B3E3427F1F12EA4D@Family>


Dan wrote:
>> you must either be incredibly gullible or you have some sort
> of agenda. Since I don't believe that you are gullible, I assume you
> have an agenda--


Dan - you lost me at hello.

last thing first:  Please cite the source that you feel insists the Arbitron 
people were given 6 apartments for one address in regards to the Providence 
ARB.

I have no agenda nor am i gullible.  in no way was i defending any aspect of
this story.  i was merely stating things as they are.  you got a better
system?  put up, or shut up.

You, sir, are  the agenda driven person.  You simply DO NOT LIKE ARBITRON.

I am merely a guy who holds his breath twice a year and hopes that the 
one-tenth of one-percent of this particular metro area returns whatever 
passes for usable (in-tab) diaries that somehow reflects enough of a benefit 
for my particular daypart and station for me to remain employed without 
having to sell my house and move.

I do not at all believe in the methodology.  my original post was in no way 
giving anyone a free pass, as was noted in the example that one household 
member in many instances winds up returning the household's assigned 
listening logs based upon either his/her preference or best guesstimate as 
to who is listening to what, and when.  read what i wrote, sir.  i agreed 
that the system is flawed.  but it is the only one in play.  and until 
advertisers with their Zillions of dollars to spend insist on another 
method -
it is what it is.


--Chuck Igo


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 18:24:26 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:24:26 -0500
Subject: WESX, WNSH back
In-Reply-To: <578E210F771041FBB1A2275652B268B2@SatU205S5044>
References: <20080822200645.717AB49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8bce0fe80808221349x622be2c7y7eae4c242657878@mail.gmail.com>
	<578E210F771041FBB1A2275652B268B2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808221524o57703a35ree403603ac72b708@mail.gmail.com>

Woops, I got the stations confused.. my mistake.. I thought of Lynn and
thought of WLYN...

My apologies.

Paul



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:

> Jeff is at WLYN/WAZN. It's true that the ownership of WESX/WJDA
> (Principle Radio Group) started out at MRBI (Multicultural, which owns
> WLYN/WAZN), but aside from sharing the WLYN tower (which neither
> company owns), there is no official connection between the two
> companies. From some of Jeff's comments about Principle at
> radio-info.com, I gather that there is also no love lost between the
> companies.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: WESX, WNSH back
>
>
>
> WNSH's own website said they had technical problems and would be
>> back in the
>> afternoon.
>>
>> Movin the stick or putting up a new one wouldn't cause so much dead
>> air..
>> they would've just shut it off. I'm betting on a programming feed
>> issue or
>> STL issue with WESX and Jeff Kline isn't aware of it... 'cuse Im
>> sure if it
>> was a prolonged problem that he was aware of, he'd just shut the
>> transmitte
>> roff.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned, WKOX may have been temp. off but came back on
>>> strong here
>>> in Beverly; WESX had been
>>> a dead air signal but now is back on, and WNSH has returned to the
>>> air as
>>> well. I'm suspecting a tech.
>>> prob at WNSH while WKOX is perhaps testing from their new tower,
>>> and WESX
>>> is in the process of
>>> moving to the WLYN stick.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
>> http://www.realradiousa.com
>> http://www.radio-talk.net
>> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
>> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 18:27:42 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:27:42 -0500
Subject: 1.570-WNSH, 1.170-WFPB Off-air
In-Reply-To: <14431022.1219438172302.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14431022.1219438172302.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808221527m7ee132dfsaecdf02a14b7e6c4@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, they don't have one and won't get one.....

WCTF Vernon CT on 1170 is also a 1KW, 2 tower daytimer..

Paul



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >Also, 1.170-WFPB is off the air this morning (WDIS is in
> >with Fox's "Brian & The Judge")??they *have* been on all
> >night for the past couple of weeks, since their previous
> >xmtr problems.
> >
> >      ~Kaimbridge~
>
> WFPB 1170 has been on all night? I thought they were
> strictly only a daytimer, making way for WWVA at night.
>
> Have they recently acquired some low power nighttime
> authorization? I didn't know of them having one.
>
> EP
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug 22 18:57:06 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:57:06 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <E24882C14D08420DA75659C5D79F148A@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr 
orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
> (yes, i leave the radio on the for the dog in the kitchen.  occasionally, 
> i let Lilo the cocker spaniel win one of the morning contests, but only if 
> she is the 10th caller)

I hope that the dog is listening to 100.9!

;-)



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug 22 18:58:13 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:58:13 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than Mr
	orMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044>
	<19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family>
Message-ID: <BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC>

Any system that is dependent upon the honesty of people associated with 
broadcasting is fundamentally flawed.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug 22 19:08:21 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:08:21 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than
	MrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <593E47127E704537B3E3427F1F12EA4D@Family>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><C0BD43C8E7BC40C3922825261CE53909@SatU205S5044>
	<593E47127E704537B3E3427F1F12EA4D@Family>
Message-ID: <12B83350CDE2446A86D91A2A75C8AFCB@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Boston Radio Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than 
MrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds


> I am merely a guy who holds his breath twice a year and hopes that the 
> one-tenth of one-percent of this particular metro area returns whatever 
> passes for usable (in-tab) diaries that somehow reflects enough of a 
> benefit for my particular daypart and station for me to remain employed 
> without having to sell my house and move.
>
> I do not at all believe in the methodology.  my original post was in no 
> way giving anyone a free pass, as was noted in the example that one 
> household member in many instances winds up returning the household's 
> assigned listening logs based upon either his/her preference or best 
> guesstimate as to who is listening to what, and when.  read what i wrote, 
> sir.  i agreed that the system is flawed.  but it is the only one in play. 
> and until advertisers with their Zillions of dollars to spend insist on 
> another method -
> it is what it is.

A very pragmatic and sensible view.

And a good reason not to work in radio.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Aug 22 21:39:09 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:39:09 -0400
Subject: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed
In-Reply-To: <4FD492D9EE2B4AAAB651AB3EEB955F3F@Family>
References: <85BAB1474363455BACC9C92CE090A588@DanBillingsPC>
	<A713C6737C4640A3BAD0B189F9E83A6D@DanBillingsPC>
	<4FD492D9EE2B4AAAB651AB3EEB955F3F@Family>
Message-ID: <303D290F12844E5C8E51BAEE07F58A47@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; 
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Radio Changes Confirmed


> not to start an argument with the counselor from Bowdoinham, but I heard
> directly from management sources at other stations in town that the Sox 
> were
> in no way part of the deal.  Matter of fact and a specific example - even 
> if
> Saga took the WEEI package, the Sox were NOT part of it (i was told that
> Saga at least asked about the Sox).

It looks like we were both right.  The Sox would not have moved next year, 
but the likeliehood of losing the Sox when the current contract ended played 
a part in JJ's decision:

>From Al Diamon's media blog:

In addition, the move keeps the Sox games on ACR stations. WEEI's sister 
station WRKO owns the Red Sox radio rights. If WEEI had signed on with 
another Portland broadcast outlet, it's likely the baseball deal would have 
shifted to that station when "Big Jab's" contract ended in 2011. By agreeing 
to carry the Boston programming, ACR is assured of having the rights to 
those games until 2013.

http://www.downeast.com/Media-Mutt/August-2008/Sports-vs-Sports/


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 02:13:40 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:13:40 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important than
	MrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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> Any system that is dependent upon the honesty of people associated with 
> broadcasting is fundamentally flawed.

Exit polling has been remarkably accurate.


From rjoc04679@msn.com  Sat Aug 23 05:11:57 2008
From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:11:57 -0400
Subject: WEEI just keeps on expanding
Message-ID: <BAY110-W361A10BCA611E0B984D3B7ED650@phx.gbl>


Check out an article by Andrew Neff in yesterday's (Friday, Aug. 22nd) Bangor Daily News about WEEI's Bangor plans.
 
Go to www.BangorNews.com
Click on sports, then click "on-the-air"
 
Rod O'Connor
Southwest Harbor, Maine
 
 
  
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From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 23 11:28:23 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:28:23 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important
	thanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "BRI+" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important 
thanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds


> Exit polling has been remarkably accurate.

So John Kerry is President today?


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 12:13:24 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:13:24 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more
	importantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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>> Exit polling has been remarkably accurate.
> 
> So John Kerry is President today?

It wasn't exit polling that predicted John Kerry...it was pre-voting polls.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 23 12:31:22 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:31:22 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more
	importantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "BRI+" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more 
importantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds

> It wasn't exit polling that predicted John Kerry...it was pre-voting 
> polls.

Not true:

The sampling errors gave a boost to Kerry, who led in all six releases of 
national exit poll results issued on Election Day by the National Election 
Pool (NEP), the consortium of the major TV networks and the Associated Press 
that sponsored the massive survey project.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64906-2004Nov20.html


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 12:41:41 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:41:41 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR
	moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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>> It wasn't exit polling that predicted John Kerry...it was pre-voting 
>> polls.
> 
> Not true:

Then I stand corrected.  

However, typically, they have been pretty accurate.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 23 12:56:25 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:56:25 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR
	moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "BRI+" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR 
moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
>
> However, typically, they have been pretty accurate.

True.  But I do not think the comparison to radio ratings is valid.  It is 
one thing to ask people who they voted for minutes after they voted.  It is 
another thing entirely to track radio listening through self-reporting.

In any case, my point was not on the polling methods but the flaw of the 
whole system being based on the honesty of radio and advertising people.

There is too much money at stake for people not to cheat.

By the way -- I worked in radio for 20 years but have not done so for nearly 
5 years.  Would I be eligible to fill out a diary?



From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Aug 23 13:36:46 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:36:46 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more
	importantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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<<On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:31:22 -0400, "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net> said:

> The sampling errors gave a boost to Kerry, who led in all six releases of 
> national exit poll results issued on Election Day by the National Election 
> Pool (NEP), the consortium of the major TV networks and the Associated Press 
> that sponsored the massive survey project.

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64906-2004Nov20.html

This article betrays a complete failure to understand the nature of
statistical sampling.  (Which is sadly common among reporters of all
stripes, but particularly egregious in a "post mortem" story like this
one.)

All polls are published with a "margin of sampling error", which
depends on two factors: the number of people interviewed, and the
confidence level.  By convention, nearly all (honest) social-science
researchers, including pollsters, report their margin of sampling
error at 95% confidence.

Given the sample sizes reported in the article, the results discussed
would all have been well within the margin of sampling error at 95%
confidence, and therefore no conclusions could or should have been
drawn from them.

(What does 95% confidence mean?  It means that there is a one in twenty
chance that the sample does not reflect the population.  Some
engineering disciplines require stronger confidence levels, 99% or
99.9%, but it would require a huge sample size to get useful polling
results at that level.  On the other hand, sometimes dishonest
organizations will conceal or reduce the confidence level to make
their polling results seem more conclusive than they really are.)

Ask Arbitron what their 95% confidence margin of sampling error is.
You may find that the difference between first and tenth place is
entirely within the margin of error.  (And there will still be a one
in twenty chance that it's completely wrong.)

-GAWollman


From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Aug 23 13:38:35 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:38:35 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
Message-ID: <5703567.147781219513115005.JavaMail.servlet@perfora>

WWHK/WWHQ (102.3 Concord NH/101.5 Merideth NH) have split.

WWHQ 101.5 retains the "Hawk" name and liners and jocks

WWHK 102.3 is playing different songs (still Rock) with no DJs, no Liners and the TOH Id was actually over the middle of a song. There's a 2-3 second dead air break between each song.

Clearly 102.3 is changing formats. Although Nassua's original deal w/ Entercom last winter fell through, I have to believe that perhaps a separate deal was made with just the 102.3 Concord signal.

My guess (as an amatuer) is WEEY-FM with a Sept 1st flip to //WEEI (the same day as WEEY 1400 Lebanon and the Maine stations)

With the vacation crowd from Boston and a (relatively) large poplualtion, Central NH seems ripe for an EEI outlet.

Thoughts? Any inside scoops?

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Aug 23 13:45:05 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:05 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR
	moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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<<On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:56:25 -0400, "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net> said:

> True.  But I do not think the comparison to radio ratings is valid.  It is 
> one thing to ask people who they voted for minutes after they voted.  It is 
> another thing entirely to track radio listening through self-reporting.

Of course, the PPM is intended to combat this problem (the difference
between recall and actual listening), although it won't do anything
about the tiny sample sizes.  (It looks even worse when you do
subgroup breakdown: what's the 95% confidence margin of sampling error
for men 18-34 who listen to AM drive in Portland?)

> In any case, my point was not on the polling methods but the flaw of the 
> whole system being based on the honesty of radio and advertising people.

> There is too much money at stake for people not to cheat.

If the sample size were larger, the small proportion of
media-affiliated households in the overall population would prevent
the Mrs. DePetros from having any effect on the results.  It would
probably require an order-of-magnitude larger sample.  Arbitron's
success suggests that advertisers and sales departments are not
willing to pay for better samples.

-GAWollman


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 13:45:51 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:51 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is
	FARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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>> However, typically, they have been pretty accurate.
>
> True.  But I do not think the comparison to radio ratings is valid.  It is 
> one thing to ask people who they voted for minutes after they voted.  It 
> is another thing entirely to track radio listening through self-reporting.

Like voting, most people like to feel their input matters, and like telling 
who they like or don't like...be it in politics or media.

99.99% of the population do not have any ulterior motive beyond telling 
arbitron who they like and don't like...who they listen to and who they 
don't.

When responding to the question, do you or anyone in your household work in 
the media or affilliated companies......the person answering the phone 
doesn't know what the call is about....so media households are elminated at 
the get-go.

> In any case, my point was not on the polling methods but the flaw of the 
> whole system being based on the honesty of radio and advertising people.
>
> There is too much money at stake for people not to cheat.

The consequences for cheating....delisting, being reported below the line, 
having valid diary entries deleted has typically been enough of a deterrant.

Plus the thought of never working in the industry again.

It will be interesting to see if Arbitron is done with this....and what 
becomes of Depetro.

Anyway with PPM...the subject is moot in less than a year.


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 13:56:43 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <5703567.147781219513115005.JavaMail.servlet@perfora>
Message-ID: <770302.17557.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
> WWHK/WWHQ (102.3 Concord NH/101.5 Merideth NH) have split.
> 
> WWHQ 101.5 retains the "Hawk" name and liners and
> jocks
> 
> WWHK 102.3 is playing different songs (still Rock) with no
> DJs, no Liners and the TOH Id was actually over the middle
> of a song. There's a 2-3 second dead air break between
> each song.
> 
> Clearly 102.3 is changing formats. Although Nassua's
> original deal w/ Entercom last winter fell through, I have
> to believe that perhaps a separate deal was made with just
> the 102.3 Concord signal.
> 
> My guess (as an amatuer) is WEEY-FM with a Sept 1st flip to
> //WEEI (the same day as WEEY 1400 Lebanon and the Maine
> stations)
> 
> With the vacation crowd from Boston and a (relatively)
> large poplualtion, Central NH seems ripe for an EEI outlet.
> 
> Thoughts? Any inside scoops?

No inside scoop, except for Mr. Fybush's take on the FCC stepping in: http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#nh.


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Aug 23 14:15:04 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:15:04 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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That is an ABSURD and completely inaccurate statement!!! As I said in
the post that started the enture thread here, the point about
Arbitron's invalid sampling methodology is as true for the PPM as it
is for diaries. If Arbitron can send six diaries to one address, they
can send six meters to one address. The media-affiliated recipient of
the six meters would have to be a bit more clever about how to
improperly use the six devices than would the media-affiliated person
who received the six diaries, but a little ingenuity is all that would
be necessary. You could certainly have six PPM's sitting on the
kitchen table in front of one radio tuned to WPRO. And you could then
place the six devices in an attache case and take them all to work,
thus satisfying the built-in accelerometers that the units had not
been sitting undisturbed for six hours or more. As far as I know, the
PPM cannot sense that it is in close proximity to another PPM. The
sampling-methodology issue is quite separate from the technology
issue--at least it is given the current technology. Anyone who doesn't
recognize this is probably dumb enough to accept Arbitron's data at
face value.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "BRI+"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology
isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds


>
> Anyway with PPM...the subject is moot in less than a year.
>


From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Aug 23 14:35:39 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:35:39 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
Message-ID: <21305482.150891219516539239.JavaMail.servlet@perfora>

OK, maybe they (Vox) should LMA to Entercom then....

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH

>On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
>> WWHK/WWHQ (102.3 Concord NH/101.5 Merideth NH) have split.
>> 
>> WWHQ 101.5 retains the "Hawk" name and liners and
>> jocks
>> 
>> WWHK 102.3 is playing different songs (still Rock) with no
>> DJs, no Liners and the TOH Id was actually over the middle
>> of a song. There's a 2-3 second dead air break between
>> each song.
>> 
>> Clearly 102.3 is changing formats. Although Nassua's
>> original deal w/ Entercom last winter fell through, I have
>> to believe that perhaps a separate deal was made with just
>> the 102.3 Concord signal.
>> 
>> My guess (as an amatuer) is WEEY-FM with a Sept 1st flip to
>> //WEEI (the same day as WEEY 1400 Lebanon and the Maine
>> stations)
>> 
>> With the vacation crowd from Boston and a (relatively)
>> large poplualtion, Central NH seems ripe for an EEI outlet.
>> 
>> Thoughts? Any inside scoops?
>
>No inside scoop, except for Mr. Fybush's take on the FCC stepping in: 
>http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#nh.
>
>
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 14:58:53 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:58:53 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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> That is an ABSURD and completely inaccurate statement!!! As I said in
> the post that started the enture thread here, the point about
> Arbitron's invalid sampling methodology..

Not at all.

(I didn't realize you were an expert in this field Dan.)

The statement was in response to Dan Billings comment about "cheating".

As Garrett pointed out, PPM combats the problem of "conscious recall" and
"actual listening".

Given your scenario, you would have to GET 6 PP's...which will be much 
harder to do than to get 6 paper diaries.  Not to mention that at the end of 
the day, they have to report back to the mothership...would all 6 report 
back from the same phone line?

While no methodology is perfect, PPM should be better at situations like 
Depetro's.



 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 23 15:09:29 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:09:29 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR
	moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: "BRI+" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR 
moreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds

> Ask Arbitron what their 95% confidence margin of sampling error is.
> You may find that the difference between first and tenth place is
> entirely within the margin of error.  (And there will still be a one
> in twenty chance that it's completely wrong.)

And despite the small sample size, they cut the data up for different 
demographic groups -- which results in even smaller sample sizes and an even 
greater margin of error.

And people take the numbers seriously!


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Aug 23 16:11:36 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:11:36 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is FAR more important
	than	MrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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	<7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro>
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Don A wrote:
> 
> 
>> Any system that is dependent upon the honesty of people associated 
>> with broadcasting is fundamentally flawed.
> 
> Exit polling has been remarkably accurate.
> 


Perhaps we could apply exit polling to radio, and collect data on which 
station people just turned OFF.  :-)

--RC


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 16:29:59 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:29:59 -0500
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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Almost 20 years ago I was stopped for an exit poll after voting. At
the time Larry King on Mutual was telling voters to lie if asked and
on a lark I did.

Arbitron has always been suspect as Hooper was in the 60's but nobody
has built a better mousetrap yet. PPM's appear to have their own
issues as well.

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Aug 23 16:30:28 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:30:28 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
Message-ID: <10089484.343031219523428893.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02>


---- "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote: (SNIP TO ALL AS I FIND IT OFFENSIVE)

Dan - with NO due respect - you've called me (a broadcast professional) and my fellow pro's dishonest, dumb, gullible and agenda driven.

enough.  the character assasinations are absurdly disturbing.

and the same goes for the "other" Dan - who seems to think he had a 20 year career in broadcasting.  he was around or affiliated with radio, but was not full-time employed for 20 years in radio.

Do not pretend to think you know all and everything about me or my professional peers.


for the last time: come up with a system that is BETTER than Arbitron and have at it.
--Chuck Igo

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Aug 23 17:15:42 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:15:42 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Don A" 
<donald_astelle@yahoo.com>; "BRI+" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology 
isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds

> enough.  the character assasinations are absurdly disturbing.
>
> and the same goes for the "other" Dan - who seems to think he had a 20 
> year career in broadcasting.  he was around or affiliated with radio, but 
> was not full-time employed for 20 years in radio.
>
> Do not pretend to think you know all and everything about me or my 
> professional peers.

Yes, I only worked full-time in radio for 8 years and the rest was 
part-time.  I do not claim to have comprehensive knowledge and am only 
commenting from my personal experience.  In my time in the business, I saw 
management do things on a regular basis that I could not imagine doing as an 
employer.  And I saw behavior by employees tolerated that would get people 
fired in most professions.

Though I met and worked with many great people in radio, there is a sleaze 
factor present with many of the people who work in broadcasting that is more 
apparent to me as I am more distant from the business.  And when I say this, 
I am thinking of management and sales, not just the folks that are on-air.

Now the other two professions that I have worked in -- law and politics --  
are certainly subject to jokes and comments that would fit with what you 
call "character assassinations ."  I don't take every lawyer joke 
personally.


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 17:35:38 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:35:38 -0500
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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Ratings are always suspect especially for smaller stations. WWZN and
WAMG always seemed to have a good amount of callers yet especially in
the case of WWZN never showed up in the book.

I have a gut feeling that Providence is not an isolated case.

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Aug 23 17:47:43 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:47:43 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808231435l389a0f0ar8374271f1c06874b@mail.gmail.com>
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>>WWZN and WAMG always seemed to have a good amount of callers yet especially in
the case of WWZN never showed up in the book.<<

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Aug 23 17:49:52 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:49:52 -0400
Subject: FW: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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>>You could certainly have six PPM's sitting on the
kitchen table in front of one radio tuned to WPRO. And you could then
place the six devices in an attache case and take them all to work,
thus satisfying the built-in accelerometers that the units had not
been sitting undisturbed for six hours or more.<<

Wrong.  The time during which they must be moved is far less than six hours, and in fact the time they are in motion is directly related to how much money is paid to respondents.

http://www.arbitron.com/portable_people_meters/home.htm

While the green light on the PPM is out (indicating no movement), no listening is recorded and no money paid to respondents.  You cannot park the PPM in front of a radio for any significant length of time and expect it to record listening.  It must be moved often.

Please spend some time with the facts before labeling something "absurd."

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 18:17:11 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:17:11 -0500
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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Sid I know it is apple and oranges but I know that Sean McDonough had
a far better audience than the ratings indicated and so did Eddie.

On the TV side 4 years there was a Celtics playoff game that had a 0.1 rating.



On 8/23/08, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> wrote:
>>>WWZN and WAMG always seemed to have a good amount of callers yet
>>> especially in
> the case of WWZN never showed up in the book.<<
>
> One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sat Aug 23 18:28:27 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:28:27 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodology	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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> >>You could certainly have six PPM's sitting on the
> kitchen table in front of one radio tuned to WPRO. And you could then
> place the six devices in an attache case and take them all to work,
> thus satisfying the built-in accelerometers that the units had not
> been sitting undisturbed for six hours or more.<<
> 
> Wrong.  The time during which they must be moved is far less than six
> hours, and in fact the time they are in motion is directly related to
> how much money is paid to respondents.
> 
I guess that we're back to the paint can shaker again.  Five minutes on that
thing and I'll be rich.
[Brian Vita] 



From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sat Aug 23 21:20:28 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:20:28 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
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Since this came down very quickly, it sounds like Vox simply plugged  
in an Ipod or PC with the songs along with a continuously looping CD  
that gives the calls once an hour over whatever is playing.  It's  
crude, but it works until they can figure out what to do with the  
station.

I would not be surprised to see 102.3 eventually go with some sort of  
automation friendly talk format.  This way they could avoid having to  
pay ASCAP and BMI fees from a music format while not having to hire  
much of a staff.   That is, if they have any interest in owning the  
station at all.  If not, I wouldn't be surprised to see Entercom  
swoop in and buy it outright just to put WEEI on it.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:

> OK, maybe they (Vox) should LMA to Entercom then....
>
> -Paul Hopfgarten
> -Derry NH
>
>> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
>>> WWHK/WWHQ (102.3 Concord NH/101.5 Merideth NH) have split.
>>>
>>> WWHQ 101.5 retains the "Hawk" name and liners and
>>> jocks
>>>
>>> WWHK 102.3 is playing different songs (still Rock) with no
>>> DJs, no Liners and the TOH Id was actually over the middle
>>> of a song. There's a 2-3 second dead air break between
>>> each song.
>>>
>>> Clearly 102.3 is changing formats. Although Nassua's
>>> original deal w/ Entercom last winter fell through, I have
>>> to believe that perhaps a separate deal was made with just
>>> the 102.3 Concord signal.
>>>
>> No inside scoop, except for Mr. Fybush's take on the FCC stepping in:
>> http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#nh.
>>
>>
>>


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 21:35:42 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:35:42 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <45F9EE1E-2E8A-4C44-98DD-B1698B824E39@charter.net>
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If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music licensing fees.

Trust me, I know from expierience.

Paul



On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:20 PM, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net>wrote:

>
> Since this came down very quickly, it sounds like Vox simply plugged in an
> Ipod or PC with the songs along with a continuously looping CD that gives
> the calls once an hour over whatever is playing.  It's crude, but it works
> until they can figure out what to do with the station.
>
> I would not be surprised to see 102.3 eventually go with some sort of
> automation friendly talk format.  This way they could avoid having to pay
> ASCAP and BMI fees from a music format while not having to hire much of a
> staff.   That is, if they have any interest in owning the station at all.
>  If not, I wouldn't be surprised to see Entercom swoop in and buy it
> outright just to put WEEI on it.
>
> -Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
>
> On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
>
> OK, maybe they (Vox) should LMA to Entercom then....
>>
>> -Paul Hopfgarten
>> -Derry NH
>>
>> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> WWHK/WWHQ (102.3 Concord NH/101.5 Merideth NH) have split.
>>>>
>>>> WWHQ 101.5 retains the "Hawk" name and liners and
>>>> jocks
>>>>
>>>> WWHK 102.3 is playing different songs (still Rock) with no
>>>> DJs, no Liners and the TOH Id was actually over the middle
>>>> of a song. There's a 2-3 second dead air break between
>>>> each song.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly 102.3 is changing formats. Although Nassua's
>>>> original deal w/ Entercom last winter fell through, I have
>>>> to believe that perhaps a separate deal was made with just
>>>> the 102.3 Concord signal.
>>>>
>>>> No inside scoop, except for Mr. Fybush's take on the FCC stepping in:
>>> http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#nh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sat Aug 23 22:06:32 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:06:32 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <C6D0A3DFF4134893B7011958CBF8BE3F@MainXPPro>
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Right now Arbitron has no plans to roll out the PPM beyond the top 50  
markets, so Hartford will be the smallest market using this  
methodology.  There are many statistical criteria they have to meet  
when placing PPM meters, including representation of various age  
demos, minority groups, geographic placement around the market etc.   
The biggest complaint with the PPM thus far is that certain groups  
are under-represented in the results, particularly persons 18-34 and  
minorities.  This was the case in Philadelphia and in New York, where  
ratings for AC and oldies stations soared in the PPM while Urbans,  
CHR's and Spanish stations plunged in relation to the diary.  As time  
has gone on and the troublesome cell targets have been properly  
populated, the data looks much better, albeit not perfect.

Despite all the flaws, PPM will eventually be far superior to the  
diary.   Most people will only write in a couple of stations each day  
or week, but in reality they are exposed to many more.  Plus, keep in  
mind that eventually PPM ratings will include non-comms and satellite  
radio stations.  Think about it.  You go out to do errands on a  
Saturday.  You head to the auto parts store to pick up oil for the  
car.  You're in there for 10-20 minutes and they're playing WAAF.   
That gets reported.  Then you go to Trader Joe's to pick up something  
for dinner and they're playing Sirius 18 The Spectrum (AAA).  That's  
recorded too.  Then, maybe a trip to the bookstore and they have on  
WBUR.  Yup, that's credited.  Compare that to the average diarykeeper  
who would probably write down that they listened to WMJX the entire  
time of the trip since that's what was playing in the car.  That  
makes up for occasionally leaving the meter idle somewhere and it  
shutting itself off.  PPM ratings in Philly have already shown that  
average listenership goes through the roof on Eagles flagship WYSP  
during games and drops back down to normal soon after.  This is very  
useful data that can be turned around quickly, something that can't  
be done with diaries.

It is Arbitron and it will never be perfect, but eventually PPM will  
surpass the diary.  They've just got to work through a few more bugs  
in the system.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Don A wrote:

> Not at all.
>
> (I didn't realize you were an expert in this field Dan.)
>
> The statement was in response to Dan Billings comment about  
> "cheating".
>
> As Garrett pointed out, PPM combats the problem of "conscious  
> recall" and
> "actual listening".
>
> Given your scenario, you would have to GET 6 PP's...which will be  
> much harder to do than to get 6 paper diaries.  Not to mention that  
> at the end of the day, they have to report back to the  
> mothership...would all 6 report back from the same phone line?
>
> While no methodology is perfect, PPM should be better at situations  
> like Depetro's.
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 22:12:31 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> licensing fees.
> 
> Trust me, I know from expierience.

Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're only using a few bumpers each hour ...

(Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do the spot's producers pay those?)


      

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 22:14:14 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:14:14 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>
	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.

And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
the talk network we carry".

I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
Paul


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > licensing fees.
> >
> > Trust me, I know from expierience.
>
> Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> only using a few bumpers each hour ...
>
> (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do the
> spot's producers pay those?)
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 22:23:04 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:23:04 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>

What if you use in house music and tell them to screw? 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 PM
To: ssmyth@psualum.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.

And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
the talk network we carry".

I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
Paul


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > licensing fees.
> >
> > Trust me, I know from expierience.
>
> Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> only using a few bumpers each hour ...
>
> (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do
the
> spot's producers pay those?)
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 22:28:46 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:28:46 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>
	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808231928s6f1dee46qf4ae3fb09715fd45@mail.gmail.com>

Then you get a Cease and Desist letter (digs around for his old copy)

I don't think theres any way to get out of not paying any music licensing
fee

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:

> What if you use in house music and tell them to screw?
>
> Best,
> Tony Schinella
> Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
> times. Since 2002.
> OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 PM
> To: ssmyth@psualum.com
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
>
>  Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.
>
> And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
> the talk network we carry".
>
> I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
> Paul
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > > licensing fees.
> > >
> > > Trust me, I know from expierience.
> >
> > Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> > only using a few bumpers each hour ...
> >
> > (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do
> the
> > spot's producers pay those?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 22:30:56 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:30:56 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808231928s6f1dee46qf4ae3fb09715fd45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>	
	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	
	<8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>	
	<007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>
	<8bce0fe80808231928s6f1dee46qf4ae3fb09715fd45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c90591$719385a0$54ba90e0$@net>

So, you're telling me, that if I owned a talk radio station and wrote and
recorded my own bumper music, I would have to still pay them fees? Nah, I
don't think so . 

 

Best, 

Tony Schinella

Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.

OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

 

From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:29 PM
To: radiotony
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

 

Then you get a Cease and Desist letter (digs around for his old copy)

 

I don't think theres any way to get out of not paying any music licensing
fee

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:

What if you use in house music and tell them to screw?


Best,
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Paul B. Walker, Jr.

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 PM
To: ssmyth@psualum.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.

And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
the talk network we carry".

I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
Paul


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > licensing fees.
> >
> > Trust me, I know from expierience.
>
> Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> only using a few bumpers each hour ...
>
> (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do
the
> spot's producers pay those?)
>
>
>
>


--
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com <http://www.realradiousa.com/> 
http://www.radio-talk.net <http://www.radio-talk.net/> 
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com




-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 22:35:15 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:35:15 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <007b01c90591$719385a0$54ba90e0$@net>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>
	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>
	<8bce0fe80808231928s6f1dee46qf4ae3fb09715fd45@mail.gmail.com>
	<007b01c90591$719385a0$54ba90e0$@net>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808231935h27856159p462e7ab3d2e5eb42@mail.gmail.com>

Well, you could porbably get away with that... but not many people go
through that kinda effort




On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:30 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:

>  So, you're telling me, that if I owned a talk radio station and wrote and
> recorded my own bumper music, I would have to still pay them fees? Nah, I
> don't think so ?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Tony Schinella
>
> Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
> times. Since 2002.
>
> OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:29 PM
> *To:* radiotony
>
> *Cc:* boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> *Subject:* Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
>
>
>
> Then you get a Cease and Desist letter (digs around for his old copy)
>
>
>
> I don't think theres any way to get out of not paying any music licensing
> fee
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> What if you use in house music and tell them to screw?
>
>
> Best,
> Tony Schinella
> Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
> times. Since 2002.
> OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
>
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 PM
> To: ssmyth@psualum.com
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
>
> Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.
>
> And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
> the talk network we carry".
>
> I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
> Paul
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > > licensing fees.
> > >
> > > Trust me, I know from expierience.
> >
> > Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> > only using a few bumpers each hour ...
> >
> > (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do
> the
> > spot's producers pay those?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.radio-talk.net
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 22:36:49 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:36:49 -0400
Subject: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808231935h27856159p462e7ab3d2e5eb42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8bce0fe80808231835nad9da59s1ea8fc1cd2f4ba71@mail.gmail.com>	
	<644791.24832.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	
	<8bce0fe80808231914k6d395b16p2200f7ff96a38cd3@mail.gmail.com>	
	<007201c90590$575a3950$060eabf0$@net>	
	<8bce0fe80808231928s6f1dee46qf4ae3fb09715fd45@mail.gmail.com>	
	<007b01c90591$719385a0$54ba90e0$@net>
	<8bce0fe80808231935h27856159p462e7ab3d2e5eb42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301c90592$42fa16e0$c8ee44a0$@net>

Well, if I needed to save the fees . I've written hundreds of songs and
releases a number of indie records and CDs. I have tons of free bumper music
to use if I wanted to. J 

 

Best, 

Tony Schinella

Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.

OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

 

From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:35 PM
To: radiotony
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

 

Well, you could porbably get away with that... but not many people go
through that kinda effort

 



 

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:30 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:

So, you're telling me, that if I owned a talk radio station and wrote and
recorded my own bumper music, I would have to still pay them fees? Nah, I
don't think so . 

 

Best, 

Tony Schinella

Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.

OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.

 

From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:29 PM
To: radiotony 


Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

 

Then you get a Cease and Desist letter (digs around for his old copy)

 

I don't think theres any way to get out of not paying any music licensing
fee

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM, radiotony <radiotony@comcast.net> wrote:

What if you use in house music and tell them to screw?


Best,
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Paul B. Walker, Jr.

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 PM
To: ssmyth@psualum.com
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: The Hawk broken up! Maybe a new 'EEI simulcast?

Oh yeah, very much lower.. but you still pay the fees.

And you can't argue, "We're all satelitte fed and the music is coming from
the talk network we carry".

I tried that one, personally,  along with a few others
Paul


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > licensing fees.
> >
> > Trust me, I know from expierience.
>
> Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When you're
> only using a few bumpers each hour ...
>
> (Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or do
the
> spot's producers pay those?)
>
>
>
>


--
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com <http://www.realradiousa.com/> 
http://www.radio-talk.net <http://www.radio-talk.net/> 
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com




-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com <http://www.realradiousa.com/> 
http://www.radio-talk.net <http://www.radio-talk.net/> 
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com




-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 23:10:07 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:10:07 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is
	FARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><18608.19118.414912.207932@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<C8A2432102EB4E4889C0A2B48F0F4709@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <7903016BE1AA4640BBE30A116F128B91@MainXPPro>


> And people take the numbers seriously!


Part of why people in the industry take it so seriously is that the numbers 
are relatively stable month after month.

What was key in DePetro's situation was the apparent "out of the blue" spike 
in listeners for no apparent reason.

Can one month be out of whack?  Probably.

Can 12 months be out of whack?  Not as likely.

Like in sports when averaging statistics they have been known to throw out 
the lowest and highest numbers before averaging.....thinking they are 
abberations.


For instance, from what I see, WKLB had last year between a 3.2 and a 3.7.

The relative stability of that number gives some creedence to the accuracy, 
reliability and methodology.

If there suddly was a 2.5 or a 5.0 then we could more readily assume that 
there is some abberation in the methodology.


Was it possible that someone could cheat and get a 1 month spike?  Yeah, 
probably.

Is it possible they could keep on cheating every month for 12 months?  Not 
likely.


This is why DePetro's story came to light.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Aug 24 00:07:19 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:07:19 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology is
	FARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <7903016BE1AA4640BBE30A116F128B91@MainXPPro>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><18608.19118.414912.207932@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<C8A2432102EB4E4889C0A2B48F0F4709@DanBillingsPC>
	<7903016BE1AA4640BBE30A116F128B91@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <A2109FA32DD746E6AF90A5889BD44C31@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Garrett Wollman" 
<wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: "BRI+" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Arbitron's sampling methodology is 
FARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds


> Part of why people in the industry take it so seriously is that the 
> numbers are relatively stable month after month.

In smaller markets, there are only two ratings periods per year and fairly 
big swings are not unusual.


From sid@wrko.com  Sat Aug 23 21:22:20 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:22:20 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808231517p7b33dd34pae469a8c98e7f851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10089484.343031219523428893.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02>
	<4fc429770808231435l389a0f0ar8374271f1c06874b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D60@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>,
	<4fc429770808231517p7b33dd34pae469a8c98e7f851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D62@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Sid I know it is apple and oranges but I know that Sean McDonough had
a far better audience than the ratings indicated and so did Eddie.<<

You know this how?  Where's your proof?  (Hint:  Call volume ain't it.)

For all the hyperbolic criticism that Arbitron creates, both in and out of the media business, no one has come up with a better method that the media, advertisers and agencies will accept.  If you've got one, let's see you implement it.  Until then, you have exactly bupkes for proof.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From kwillcox@wnsh.com  Sun Aug 24 04:31:00 2008
From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:31:00 -0400
Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 12, Issue 327
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8860.1219544064.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.Bo
	stonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.8860.1219544064.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <200808240831.m7O8VMrY019975@tsornin.bostonradio.org>

At 10:14 PM 8/23/2008, you wrote:
>On Sat, 8/23/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If they run a talk format, they will STILL have to pay music
> > licensing fees.
>
>
>Yes, but much lower fees than they would as a music station. When 
>you're only using a few bumpers each hour ...
>
>(Do stations have to pay music licensing fees for national spots, or 
>do the spot's producers pay those?)

Talk stations pay a fee, that seems to cover everything, syndicated 
shows as well as local...BTW, we had to go off the air for two days 
as a local cell tower needed work/ We're back...all is fine.


Sincerely,

Keating Willcox ~/~

WNSH AM 1570 Beverly
Women's Talk Radio
By Women - For Women
kwillcox@wnsh.com
www.wnsh.com
(617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954
transmitter Beverly, MA
Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street
South Hamilton, MA 01982



From sid@wrko.com  Sun Aug 24 09:37:10 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:37:10 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><3AB9AD8B7D124C0EB3152DF87D51F5AE@MainXPPro><01002FC6CAF341D988798994DB0BBCC5@DanBillingsPC><C9F12D6CA035448594878C71E5CBDC94@MainXPPro>
	<3914FD23209542F683AFA5E734483BA2@SatU205S5044>
	<C6D0A3DFF4134893B7011958CBF8BE3F@MainXPPro>,
	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>
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>>The biggest complaint with the PPM thus far is that certain groups
are under-represented in the results, particularly persons 18-34 and
minorities.  This was the case in Philadelphia and in New York, where
ratings for AC and oldies stations soared in the PPM while Urbans,
CHR's and Spanish stations plunged in relation to the diary.  As time
has gone on and the troublesome cell targets have been properly
populated, the data looks much better, albeit not perfect.<<

One theory of why this is:  AC and oldies stations are often used in offices as background music, but are not normally reported in diaries because listeners tend to not recall that they heard those stations in the offices.  Hard to prove, of course, but that's one possibility.

>>keep in mind that eventually PPM ratings will include non-comms and satellite
radio stations.<<

Where non-coms are concerned:  Not "eventually."  Immediately.  The non-coms are being supplied with the same encoding and monitoring equipment as the commercial stations.  Let's also remember that non-coms were always part of the diary-based ratings system and their numbers were available in the Maximi$er and Tapscan software.  AFAIK Sirius and XM haven't started encoding yet, but it's only a matter of time.  PPM encoding also includes HD secondaries and Internet streaming, and all of that listening will be broken out separately in the data.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 12:24:22 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:22 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><18608.19118.414912.207932@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><C8A2432102EB4E4889C0A2B48F0F4709@DanBillingsPC><7903016BE1AA4640BBE30A116F128B91@MainXPPro>
	<A2109FA32DD746E6AF90A5889BD44C31@DanBillingsPC>
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>> Part of why people in the industry take it so seriously is that the
>> numbers are relatively stable month after month.
>
> In smaller markets, there are only two ratings periods per year and fairly 
> big swings are not unusual.


Even with 2 ratings periods per year, that's 6 individual months of results.

If there is an abberation it can still be seen. 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Aug 24 12:39:53 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:39:53 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <005B7F2BBA764771B120C11ECB416562@MainXPPro>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><18608.19118.414912.207932@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><C8A2432102EB4E4889C0A2B48F0F4709@DanBillingsPC><7903016BE1AA4640BBE30A116F128B91@MainXPPro>
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Many smaller market stations I've worked with that sell on the  
ratings usually quote a four book rolling average.  This tends to  
even out the big swings that inevitably happen from book to book.   
Obviously format changes have to be taken into account when doing  
this, but it's a fairly accurate gauge of what's happening in the  
market over an extended period of time.  It makes clients more  
comfortable buying time on a station rather than trying to explain  
why the ratings swung from a 7 share in the previous fall book to a 4  
share in the spring book then back up to a 6.5 in the current book.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Don A wrote:

>>>
>>> Part of why people in the industry take it so seriously is that the
>>> numbers are relatively stable month after month.
>>
>> In smaller markets, there are only two ratings periods per year  
>> and fairly big swings are not unusual.
>
>
> Even with 2 ratings periods per year, that's 6 individual months of  
> results.
>
> If there is an abberation it can still be seen.


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Aug 24 12:46:39 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:46:39 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D62@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
References: <10089484.343031219523428893.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02>
	<4fc429770808231435l389a0f0ar8374271f1c06874b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D60@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<4fc429770808231517p7b33dd34pae469a8c98e7f851@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D62@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <18609.36975.218370.869197@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:22:20 -0400, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> For all the hyperbolic criticism that Arbitron creates, both in and
> out of the media business, no one has come up with a better method
> that the media, advertisers and agencies will accept.

ITYM "pay for".

-GAWollman


From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 12:59:46 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:59:46 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
Message-ID: <02bd01c9060a$d0e380e0$0202a8c0@Mark>

  WLLH's Lowell transmitter is now back on the air, it had been off since at 
least this past Tuesday. From what I was told the power was lost at the TX 
site due to the growth of brush & vines around the pole that holds the 
transformer. (Mass Electric used to routinely cut the brush, but apparently 
National Grid sees no need to do such brush clearing). Apparently the growth 
of the brush & vines completely covered the transformer, insulators and fuse 
jack and caused a pole fire that went undetected, blowing out the 
transformer and causing the loss of power to the site. Apparently no one in 
WAMG/WLLH Master Control was aware that Lowell was off either. Once CE Chris 
Hall was made aware of the situation he went to the TX site and discovered 
the problem. National Grid has made repairs and restored power to the site.

Mark Watson 



From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 13:52:38 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
In-Reply-To: <02bd01c9060a$d0e380e0$0202a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 8/24/08, Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net> wrote:
> WLLH's Lowell transmitter is now back on the air, it had
> been off since at 
> least this past Tuesday. From what I was told the power was
> lost at the TX 
> site due to the growth of brush & vines around the pole
> that holds the 
> transformer. (Mass Electric used to routinely cut the
> brush, but apparently 
> National Grid sees no need to do such brush clearing).
> Apparently the growth 
> of the brush & vines completely covered the
> transformer, insulators and fuse 
> jack and caused a pole fire that went undetected, blowing
> out the 
> transformer and causing the loss of power to the site.
> Apparently no one in 
> WAMG/WLLH Master Control was aware that Lowell was off
> either. Once CE Chris 
> Hall was made aware of the situation he went to the TX site
> and discovered 
> the problem. National Grid has made repairs and restored
> power to the site.

Chris Hall is a good engineer from the reading of it -- at least he's a proactive one, and he seems to know his stuff -- but I'm amazed no one noticed 1400 Lowell was off the air for ... days? Really? I guess 1400 Lawrence (presuming IT still is on the air) would have covered much of that turf with a serviceable signal, but still.


      

From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 14:09:40 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:09:40 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
References: <971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02ce01c90614$96ba63c0$0202a8c0@Mark>

Sean Smyth wrote:

> Chris Hall is a good engineer from the reading of it -- at least he's a 
> proactive one, and he seems to know his stuff -- but I'm amazed no one 
> noticed 1400 Lowell was off the air for ... days? Really? I guess 1400 
> Lawrence (presuming IT still is on the air) would have covered much of 
> that turf with a serviceable signal, but still.

   I believe it was mentioned on another board that Chris has purchased 
silence sensors for WAMG's transmitter and both WLLH transmitters, but they 
have not yet arrived. I'm also amazed that no one at the Charlstown studios 
knew. Doesn't anyone take transmitter readings anymore? Is anyone in Lowell 
listening?

  Lawrence was on the air while Lowell was off. The Lawrence day signal is 
usable in most of Lowell, but at night the signal is lost in the jumble of 
signals and noise common on Class IV graveyarders.

Mark Watson

 



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Aug 24 14:12:45 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:12:45 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
References: <971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <552EC7D296A24E94B5801A498051BE65@SatU205S5044>

The Lawrence transmitter must deliver a listenable signal to most of
Lowell during the daytime--albeit not as strong a signal as the Lowell
transmitter would if it were on the air. At night, I suspect that a
large percentage of the listeners in Lowell could recognize that
something was amiss even though the program content probably wasn't
completely obliterated by the QRM. However, if someone were to call
the WAMG/WLLH offices in Charlestown after normal business hours,
would they be able to record a message for the Engineering Department?
Also, does WLLH maintain a local phone number in Lowell or Lawrence or
a toll-free number that is not a call-in line for talk shows? If not,
for a lot of people in the Merrimac Valley, the call would be a toll
call and probably not very many people would be willing to spend the
money on a toll call to report poor reception.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Smyth" <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>
To: "Boston Radio" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>;
"Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air


>
> Chris Hall is a good engineer from the reading of it -- at least
> he's a proactive one, and he seems to know his stuff -- but I'm
> amazed no one noticed 1400 Lowell was off the air for ... days?
> Really? I guess 1400 Lawrence (presuming IT still is on the air)
> would have covered much of that turf with a serviceable signal, but
> still.
>


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Aug 24 15:19:40 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
In-Reply-To: <552EC7D296A24E94B5801A498051BE65@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <535650.63866.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 8/24/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> Also, does WLLH maintain a local phone number in Lowell or
> Lawrence or
> a toll-free number that is not a call-in line for talk
> shows? If not,
> for a lot of people in the Merrimac Valley, the call would
> be a toll
> call and probably not very many people would be willing to
> spend the
> money on a toll call to report poor reception.

They still have toll calls? <g> (Sorry, my cell phone spoils me and every other cell-phone user in that regard, and I haven't had my own personal land line since circa 2002.) It's a legit point, though.


      

From sid@wrko.com  Sun Aug 24 18:45:31 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:45:31 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling methodology
	isFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <18609.36975.218370.869197@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <10089484.343031219523428893.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02>
	<4fc429770808231435l389a0f0ar8374271f1c06874b@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D60@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<4fc429770808231517p7b33dd34pae469a8c98e7f851@mail.gmail.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D62@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>,
	<18609.36975.218370.869197@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D64@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>> For all the hyperbolic criticism that Arbitron creates, both in and
> out of the media business, no one has come up with a better method
> that the media, advertisers and agencies will accept.

ITYM "pay for".<<

Of course.  That's the name of the game.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From sid@wrko.com  Sun Aug 24 18:55:22 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:22 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <95C97728D8F74EA2A8C584447F946665@SatU205S5044>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><3AB9AD8B7D124C0EB3152DF87D51F5AE@MainXPPro><01002FC6CAF341D988798994DB0BBCC5@DanBillingsPC><C9F12D6CA035448594878C71E5CBDC94@MainXPPro>,
	<3914FD23209542F683AFA5E734483BA2@SatU205S5044>,
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D5F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D61@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>,
	<95C97728D8F74EA2A8C584447F946665@SatU205S5044>
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>>Regardless of whether six hours is the right figure or not, the
basic idea that if Arbitron furnished diaries to six indviduals in the
same househhold, it could also furnish PPMs to six individuals in the
same household IS valid.<<

Of course it is, but you're missing the point.  Arbitron is not going to place six diaries or six PPMs in one household unless the members of that household reflect the demos Arbitron is trying to measure.  As I posted previously, it still comes down to the respondent's truthfulness when answering the Arbitron rep's questions over the phone, and the only system that would work better is that no household becomes a measurement respondent without a personal visit...something that would drastically drive up the cost of the service.  The personal visit probably would have short-circuited the notion that one household got six diaries and they were all filled out by one person.  Recruiting respondents on the telephone is an opportunity to play the system as Mrs. Depetro did.

>>The real issue is that the sampling methodology is flawed.<<

You keep repeating this, but offer no specifics.  What's flawed about it?

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From hykker@wildblue.net  Sun Aug 24 20:42:45 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:42:45 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
In-Reply-To: <971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <02bd01c9060a$d0e380e0$0202a8c0@Mark>
	<971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48b2001b.0405be0a.5c38.ffff903d@mx.google.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:

> > Apparently no one in
> > WAMG/WLLH Master Control was aware that Lowell was off
> > either. Once CE Chris
> > Hall was made aware of the situation he went to the TX site
> > and discovered
> > the problem. National Grid has made repairs and restored
> > power to the site.
>
>Chris Hall is a good engineer from the reading of it -- at least 
>he's a proactive one, and he seems to know his stuff -- but I'm 
>amazed no one noticed 1400 Lowell was off the air for ... days? 
>Really? I guess 1400 Lawrence (presuming IT still is on the air) 
>would have covered much of that turf with a serviceable signal, but still.


Does he not ever visit his transmitter sites on a regular 
basis?  I've always made it a point to visit my sites at least once 
every couple months to clean filters, check remote control 
calibration, and look for potential problems.  Finding a noisy fan 
(or vines growing up a power pole) before it causes you to go off the 
air sure beats an emergency call on a Sunday afternoon.

I rememeber seeing some pictures of the old WILD transmitter building 
before they moved to the WXKS tower.  Didn't look like anyone had 
paid that place a visit in years.  No excuse for this neglect IMHO, 


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Aug 24 20:53:30 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:53:30 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell Transmitter Back On The Air
In-Reply-To: <48b2001b.0405be0a.5c38.ffff903d@mx.google.com>
References: <02bd01c9060a$d0e380e0$0202a8c0@Mark>
	<971287.23482.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<48b2001b.0405be0a.5c38.ffff903d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808241753y1cef931eia305e8bd802cba98@mail.gmail.com>

Just goes to show you how many people actually listen or care about that
signal.

I can guarentee you if KNLV (AM 1060 or 103.9) went off the air, for even 5
minutes, we'd be getting phone calls out the wazoo asking what's going on.

Paul



On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM, SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net> wrote:

> Sean Smyth wrote:
>
> > Apparently no one in
>> > WAMG/WLLH Master Control was aware that Lowell was off
>> > either. Once CE Chris
>> > Hall was made aware of the situation he went to the TX site
>> > and discovered
>> > the problem. National Grid has made repairs and restored
>> > power to the site.
>>
>> Chris Hall is a good engineer from the reading of it -- at least he's a
>> proactive one, and he seems to know his stuff -- but I'm amazed no one
>> noticed 1400 Lowell was off the air for ... days? Really? I guess 1400
>> Lawrence (presuming IT still is on the air) would have covered much of that
>> turf with a serviceable signal, but still.
>>
>
>
> Does he not ever visit his transmitter sites on a regular basis?  I've
> always made it a point to visit my sites at least once every couple months
> to clean filters, check remote control calibration, and look for potential
> problems.  Finding a noisy fan (or vines growing up a power pole) before it
> causes you to go off the air sure beats an emergency call on a Sunday
> afternoon.
>
> I rememeber seeing some pictures of the old WILD transmitter building
> before they moved to the WXKS tower.  Didn't look like anyone had paid that
> place a visit in years.  No excuse for this neglect IMHO,
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.radio-talk.net
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Sun Aug 24 22:44:32 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:44:32 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's
	sampling	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
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	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>
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Sid Schweiger wrote:
> AC and oldies stations are often used in offices as background music, but are not normally reported in diaries because listeners tend to not recall that they heard those stations in the offices.  Hard to prove, of course, but that's one possibility.

If a person wearing the PPM at the office decides to put it on their 
desk while they work, instead of wearing it, won't that shut off after 
an hour?




From chris2526@comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 23:43:30 2008
From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:43:30 -0400
Subject: WLLH Lowell
Message-ID: <A5649BEA5ECE4F8FB97B1DF21A0C20BA@Chicken159>

Have been trying to get National Grid to cut the vegatation and clear the 
vines off the pole for almost 2 years...In the past Massachusetts Electric 
came by once a year and took care of it ....no more.

I had a major fight with them over the weekend about cleaning up the site
even after this problem.

If you go by you will see that the site is maintained and cut much like
a residential lawn though I have been after the maintenance man to get in 
and cut inside the guy anchors.

I usually go by both sites every weekend,  I'm  sure it will not be pleasant 
for the board ops on Monday.

Chris Hall 


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Aug 25 08:30:44 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:30:44 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <48B21C90.8060603@ttlc.net>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><3AB9AD8B7D124C0EB3152DF87D51F5AE@MainXPPro><01002FC6CAF341D988798994DB0BBCC5@DanBillingsPC><C9F12D6CA035448594878C71E5CBDC94@MainXPPro>
	<3914FD23209542F683AFA5E734483BA2@SatU205S5044>
	<C6D0A3DFF4134893B7011958CBF8BE3F@MainXPPro>,
	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D63@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<48B21C90.8060603@ttlc.net>
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>>If a person wearing the PPM at the office decides to put it on their
desk while they work, instead of wearing it, won't that shut off after
an hour?<<

As I understand it, it will shut off after a certain interval (I want to say three hours, but I could be wrong about that).  Supposedly it is sensitive enough to detect the rise and fall of the chest of someone who is breathing, which is why Arbitron insists that the respondent *wear* it.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Aug 25 08:38:19 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:19 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's
	sampling	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835529@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D63@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>	<48B21C90.8060603@ttlc.net>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835529@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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Sid Schweiger wrote:
> As I understand it, it will shut off after a certain interval (I want to say three hours, but I could be wrong about that).  Supposedly it is sensitive enough to detect the rise and fall of the chest of someone who is breathing, which is why Arbitron insists that the respondent *wear* it.
>   
How big is this PPM?  Any Web Site with pictures?


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Aug 25 08:51:18 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:51:18 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's sampling
	methodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <48B2A7BB.2080403@ttlc.net>
References: <AF4751B1C5534EEA9529903C6842C5BE@SatU205S5044><19E7AD8534184442B84C18EB68AB6C58@Family><BCFA6561E3F14CA8B3DFFBB402B7FA66@DanBillingsPC><7F17DE192EFE47DD93C9293086203E79@MainXPPro><855846F974014A439C5B1C58FA5A39F1@DanBillingsPC><847FA7D99BB74C93AD4F8C771AC1A499@MainXPPro><8ED0A8B0204746D680CB051390729BEE@DanBillingsPC><3AB9AD8B7D124C0EB3152DF87D51F5AE@MainXPPro><01002FC6CAF341D988798994DB0BBCC5@DanBillingsPC><C9F12D6CA035448594878C71E5CBDC94@MainXPPro>
	<3914FD23209542F683AFA5E734483BA2@SatU205S5044>
	<C6D0A3DFF4134893B7011958CBF8BE3F@MainXPPro>,
	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D63@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
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	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835529@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<48B2A7BB.2080403@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098883554B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>How big is this PPM?<<

About the size of a pocket pager (you remember those, right?).

>>Any Web Site with pictures?<<

http://www.arbitron.com/portable_people_meters/home.htm


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040





From sid@wrko.com  Mon Aug 25 09:27:08 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:27:08 -0400
Subject: Arbitron's
	samplingmethodologyisFARmoreimportantthanMrorMrsDePetro's misdeeds
In-Reply-To: <8A8EDCBFFF6C457496F2E7F5D468A1B7@SatU205S5044>
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	<8B39913C-E2C4-45EB-B7BE-4CAB50C11B87@charter.net><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D63@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><48B21C90.8060603@ttlc.net><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80988835529@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><48B2A7BB.2080403@ttlc.net>
	<09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098883554B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>
	<8A8EDCBFFF6C457496F2E7F5D468A1B7@SatU205S5044>
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>>I believe the numbers are 4 cubic in. and 2.6 oz. From the picture, it
looks to me to be about the same size and shape as a Blackberry. I did
not check on the volume or weight of a Blackberry, so my comparison
may or may not be correct.<<

We were shown one at a presentation at our office.  It's a bit smaller and a bit fatter than an older BlackBerry (7100, 7200 or 7300 series), and a bit larger than a more modern one (8x00 series).  The base unit (charger/modem) is just slightly larger than the PPM itself.

The station-side equipment is all one rack-unit tall, and maybe six inches deep.  For each audio stream (including HD secondaries and Internet streaming), there's one main encoder, one backup encoder, and one monitor.  Adding it all up, our cluster got 40 units.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 10:08:02 2008
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:08:02 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I]  Sean Casey:  Retired DJ, CIA Agent...?
Message-ID: <48B40E42.3090100@Gmail.com>

Quincy Patriot Ledger:
"Longtime Boston area radio personality enjoying his retirement"

? DUXBURY ?
?
? He?s been a CIA subcontractor, a high-profile radio
? personality, a recording artist and a street-corner
? singer, but now Sean Casey has added retiree to that list.
?
? The longtime radio show host retired in April, and said he
? has been enjoying retirement tremendously.

http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x627091508/Longtime-Boston-area-radio-personality-enjoying-his-retirement

Hmmm, maybe he had been sending out top-secret, subliminal
government messages via WPLM?  P=)  P=)  P=)

      ~Kaimbridge~

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From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 21:48:47 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:48:47 -0400
Subject: Mystery Science DNC
Message-ID: <48B4B27F.6080302@gmail.com>

Okay, so this is about as far removed from Boston radio as it gets, but 
I just clicked over to Foxnews.com and clicked on the web-only link for 
the Strategy Room.  Shep Smith and to other guys are playing it like 
Mystery Science Theater with the camera shot on the backs of their heads 
as they watch the speeches.  They are giving MST-styled commentary while 
wearing aluminum foil antennae on their heads.  As a point of full 
disclosure, I had emailed them suggesting the head gear.  I feel so 
ashamed.  Great TV though.  Now, why can't radio do this (the live 
voices over the speeches)? 

Bill O'Neill

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 07:01:53 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:01:53 -0400
Subject: Mystery Science DNC
References: <48B4B27F.6080302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29499201DE124EE6894A9918E2D2C81E@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
Subject: Mystery Science DNC


> (snip) the web-only link for the Strategy Room.  Shep Smith and to other 
> guys are playing it like Mystery Science Theater with the camera shot on 
> the backs of their heads as they watch the speeches.  They are giving 
> MST-styled commentary while wearing aluminum foil antennae on their heads. 
> As a point of full disclosure, I had emailed them suggesting the head 
> gear.  I feel so ashamed.  Great TV though.  Now, why can't radio do this 
> (the live voices over the speeches)?

if radio did do the commentary, it would have to be done in stereo (speech 
on one side, commentary on the other).  or it could be like we've heard on 
too many stations of late where master control is pretty much unattended and 
somehow one of the production studios or newsrooms gets on the air at the 
same time.  not always an intended consequence, but happenstance, 
nonetheless.

but you should be even more ashamed if you did not think to include the 
coupon for the digital conversion boxes with your suggestion for the 
head-gear.  tsk, tsk.

--Chuck Igo



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Aug 30 02:06:41 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:06:41 -0400
Subject: ABC News Now
Message-ID: <5207F251655745D790FD091324BFA854@MainXPPro>

Does anyone know if Comcast carries the 24 hour "ABC News Now" service on 
their lineup?

Thanks.





From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Aug 30 04:38:38 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:38:38 -0400
Subject: ABC News Now
In-Reply-To: <5207F251655745D790FD091324BFA854@MainXPPro>
References: <5207F251655745D790FD091324BFA854@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <48B9070E.8030601@gabrielmass.com>

Don A wrote:
> Does anyone know if Comcast carries the 24 hour "ABC News Now" service 
> on their lineup?
> 
> Thanks.


Comcast carried it for a while when the channel was relatively new, but 
they don't have it at present.

--rc

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 11:22:25 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:22:25 -0400
Subject: Capt. Red Slavit, Frequent Guest On Larry Glick's Show, Passes Away
Message-ID: <00a801c90ab4$35ea5330$0302a8c0@Mark>

  Retired Haverhill MA Harbormaster Capt. William "Red" Slavit passed away 
Friday in Haverhill at the age of 86. He was well known not only in the 
Haverhill area for saving countless lives during his over 25 year tenure as 
harbormaster, but was a friend and frequent guest of Larry Glick on his WBZ 
radio show. Glick told the Lawrence Eagle Tribune that Slavit was probably 
one of the most interesting guests he had on his show.

   I also had the pleasure to meet Capt. Red when I was working at the 
former WHAV in Haverhill, as he frequently appeared on the air there as 
well. One cold Winter evening, I was board op for the late Bill Pike's "Open 
Mike" show, when a few minutes into the show I heard pounding on the front 
door of the station building. I ran to the door to find Capt. Red, telling 
me he had just rescued someone from the river and he needed to get on the 
air with Bill Pike right away to share the details. Naturally I let him in, 
and he entered the studio to tell the story on the air.

  More in this article from the Eagle Tribune website:

http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_242233759.html

Mark Watson 



From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Aug 30 14:12:17 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:12:17 -0400
Subject: Killer Kowalski
Message-ID: <20080830181207.429E05B2016@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

I don't know if any of you grew up watching professional wrestling, 
before it devolved into the vulgar spectacle of today, but it used to 
actually have some skill and some showmanship.  Yeah it was fake, but 
lots of us baby boomers enjoyed watching it, and one of the biggest 
and best "bad guys" was Walter "Killer" Kowalski. After he retired 
from actively being a wrestler, he ran a successful wrestling school 
here in Massachusetts, and trained a number of stars.

I am sad to report that Killer Kowalski just passed away today, at 
the age of 81.  I visited him several weeks ago and he looked and 
sounded great.  But he had a massive heart attack recently and never 
recovered.  May he rest in peace-- he entertained millions of fans 
for over 50 years.  


From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 15:18:24 2008
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:18:24 -0400
Subject: Killer Kowalski
In-Reply-To: <20080830181207.429E05B2016@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080830181207.429E05B2016@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c90ad5$2dff2ee0$89fd8ca0$@net>

Here is a link from the Malden Observer: 

http://www.wickedlocal.com/malden/sports/x633547550/Kowalski-s-last-fight

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern
times. Since 2002.
OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Killer Kowalski

I don't know if any of you grew up watching professional wrestling, 
before it devolved into the vulgar spectacle of today, but it used to 
actually have some skill and some showmanship.  Yeah it was fake, but 
lots of us baby boomers enjoyed watching it, and one of the biggest 
and best "bad guys" was Walter "Killer" Kowalski. After he retired 
from actively being a wrestler, he ran a successful wrestling school 
here in Massachusetts, and trained a number of stars.

I am sad to report that Killer Kowalski just passed away today, at 
the age of 81.  I visited him several weeks ago and he looked and 
sounded great.  But he had a massive heart attack recently and never 
recovered.  May he rest in peace-- he entertained millions of fans 
for over 50 years.  


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 23:22:45 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:22:45 -0500
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
Message-ID: <4fc429770808302022n3d15db4ctc2ff19e21b68af6b@mail.gmail.com>

Craig Mustard and Larry Johnson hosted their last show Saturday
morning on WEEI and the word is they will be replaced by Rob Bradford
who will use the time slot to shill for WEEI.com.

Mustard had been with WEEI in some form even when the station was
still doing news in the late 80's but gave up his fulltime gig to
teach high school.

Also it appears Hazel Mae was shot down in her dream to replace Lobel
and will now anchor the highlight show on the new Baseball Channel
which starts Jan 1 based in NY.

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 01:52:51 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:52:51 -0500
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
In-Reply-To: <585810.78150.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770808302212l72a89787m6230aad6c1bde76d@mail.gmail.com>
	<585810.78150.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770808302252p782d2817s33699871c987c5f7@mail.gmail.com>

The Herald situation is bleak. They started the Sox season with 4
writers and only one Mike Silverman remains.

Mariotti MUST have something in the works as nobody walks from 500K a year.

So here we go again in wondering if some outlet with a signal goes
after WEEI. For starters the Ordway contract looms and he has been
steaming ever since he found out what Howie was making. But Ordway
needs another dance partner to have any leverage.

So I see 3 possible signals  92.9 104.1 or 1200 that might interest
the mouse. (1200 hinges on just how good the upgraded signal is)



On 8/31/08, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8/31/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Right now there is an elephant standing in the corner with
>> Boston
>> sports media and his name is Jay Mariotti who just quit at
>> the Chicago
>> Sun Times and walked away from 500K.
>>
>> Boston is his rumored destination but where?
>>
>> His loud mouth would be a natural for WEEI and WEEI.com but
>> I doubt
>> they can afford him.
>
> Only way he comes here is if ESPN The Mothership pays his freight and puts
> him on a station here (and I doubt it'd be 890). The Herald never would pay
> a columnist like him that money.
>
> Then again, Mariotti kind of is the sports version of Howie Carr. Maybe I
> shouldn't say that so quickly.
>
>
>
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 00:58:35 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:58:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808302022n3d15db4ctc2ff19e21b68af6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563480.84945.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sat, 8/30/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Craig Mustard and Larry Johnson hosted their last show
> Saturday
> morning on WEEI and the word is they will be replaced by
> Rob Bradford
> who will use the time slot to shill for WEEI.com.
> 
> Mustard had been with WEEI in some form even when the
> station was
> still doing news in the late 80's but gave up his
> fulltime gig to
> teach high school.
> 
> Also it appears Hazel Mae was shot down in her dream to
> replace Lobel
> and will now anchor the highlight show on the new Baseball
> Channel
> which starts Jan 1 based in NY.

Bradford is a significant upgrade over Johnson, but not Mustard. The guy has put in 18 years there, been through way too many regimes for his liking...so much for loyalty.


      

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Aug 31 01:29:57 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770808302212l72a89787m6230aad6c1bde76d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585810.78150.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 8/31/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
> Right now there is an elephant standing in the corner with
> Boston
> sports media and his name is Jay Mariotti who just quit at
> the Chicago
> Sun Times and walked away from 500K.
> 
> Boston is his rumored destination but where?
> 
> His loud mouth would be a natural for WEEI and WEEI.com but
> I doubt
> they can afford him.

Only way he comes here is if ESPN The Mothership pays his freight and puts him on a station here (and I doubt it'd be 890). The Herald never would pay a columnist like him that money. 

Then again, Mariotti kind of is the sports version of Howie Carr. Maybe I shouldn't say that so quickly.


      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 01:12:55 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:12:55 -0500
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
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Well Jason and Julie at least let them say goodbye.

Right now there is an elephant standing in the corner with Boston
sports media and his name is Jay Mariotti who just quit at the Chicago
Sun Times and walked away from 500K.

Boston is his rumored destination but where?

His loud mouth would be a natural for WEEI and WEEI.com but I doubt
they can afford him.



On 8/30/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 8/30/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Craig Mustard and Larry Johnson hosted their last show
>> Saturday
>> morning on WEEI and the word is they will be replaced by
>> Rob Bradford
>> who will use the time slot to shill for WEEI.com.
>>
>> Mustard had been with WEEI in some form even when the
>> station was
>> still doing news in the late 80's but gave up his
>> fulltime gig to
>> teach high school.
>>
>> Also it appears Hazel Mae was shot down in her dream to
>> replace Lobel
>> and will now anchor the highlight show on the new Baseball
>> Channel
>> which starts Jan 1 based in NY.
>
> Bradford is a significant upgrade over Johnson, but not Mustard. The guy has
> put in 18 years there, been through way too many regimes for his liking...so
> much for loyalty.
>
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Aug 31 12:02:35 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:02:35 -0400
Subject: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI
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No way, no how can 1200's 50 kW signal provide coverage that is in the
same league as 850's. First off, the frequency is 40% higher, which,
from a coverage standpoint, reduces the coverage area by something
close to a factor of two. Second, the 1200 towers are less than
quarter-wavelength, whereas 850's are approximately half wavelength,
making 850's effective power essentially about double 850's. Third,
although I don't know what 850's NIF contour is supposed to be, I
would be amazed to learn that it was much higher than 5 mV/m, because
850 is a VERY old station. 1200's NIF is 13.<something> mV/m. Of the
five Boston-area AMs (680, 850, 1030, 1200, 1510) that will be running
50 kW-U, 1200 will have the poorest coverage. The most nearly
comparable signal is 1510, whose taller towers more-or-less compensate
for its higher frequency. NIF calculations now include contributions
from first adjacents (1500 and 1520 for 1510), so 1510's once very low
calculated NIF is probably a lot higher now than it was back in the
day. 1200 will take it on the chops from 1200 in Philadelphia,
however. But since that station is ND, whereas 1500 and 1520 are
directional toward Boston, the first-adjacent effect won't be as bad
for 1200 as it is for 1510. 1200 has a bunch of stations that cause
co-channel interference, however. Ottawa, N Syracuse, and Leesburg VA
are the worst. Leesburg has applied to move to 1190, however, so that
may disappear in due course, but don't hold your breath.

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Subject: Re: Mustard and Johnson axed by WEEI


> So I see 3 possible signals  92.9 104.1 or 1200 that might interest
> the mouse. (1200 hinges on just how good the upgraded signal is)
>