From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 01:48:05 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 01:48:05 -0400 Subject: Carr's latest legal moves References: Message-ID: <00ce01c81c4b$895345c0$6401a8c0@default> >From joe@attorneyross.com >> Which is why whoever got the Legislature to pass a ban on noncompete clauses needs to get going again -- file an Amicus brief with the appellate courts in the Howie Carr case and, if that case doesn't go well, seek further legislation. << >From what I understand AFTRA got this thru the legislature. It appears that Howie is 'persona non grata' with AFTRA these days. He was constantly badmouthing the union, and was one of those involved in having AFTRA decertified from WRKO & WEEI. I don't think the union is going to do much for Howie. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 1 09:54:04 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:54:04 -0400 Subject: Carr's latest legal moves References: <00ce01c81c4b$895345c0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002301c81c8e$ad9d2570$49ada742@SatU205S5044> I always though Howie was a perfect example of someone who is "too clever by half." The more I hear about him, the more convinced I become that that assessment is correct. All I can say is that his travails couldn't be happening to a more deserving person. Way to go, Howie! Keep it up. I hope your shenanigans land you forever in radio oblivion. (I should be so lucky. He'll be back before we know it; I'm convinced.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "BRI" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves > >>From joe@attorneyross.com >>> > Which is why whoever got the Legislature to pass a ban on noncompete > clauses needs to get going again -- file an Amicus brief with the > appellate courts in the Howie Carr case and, if that case doesn't go > well, seek further legislation. > << > > >>From what I understand AFTRA got this thru the legislature. > > It appears that Howie is 'persona non grata' with AFTRA these days. > > He was constantly badmouthing the union, and was one of those > involved in having AFTRA decertified from WRKO & WEEI. > > I don't think the union is going to do much for Howie. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 1 13:03:31 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:03:31 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: WBZ website up-dates > As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at WBZ > to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's > completed, but I think you'll be pleased. I was curious about two > things. One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional > materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use > in the 50s or 60s? I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit of > New England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live > Five." I have some in my own collection, but would be interested to > know who else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape. > > Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with > profiles of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or Larry > Glick. Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some > nominees for that page-- any former news or sports or air > personalities who deserve to be remembered? How about Ron Landry (RIP) and Robin Young (still with us, and on WBUR at noon Mon-Fri)? Howard From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 1 12:13:48 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:13:48 -0400 Subject: WBZ website up-dates References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> AFAIK, all three that you mentioned (not just Robin Young) are still living, though Robin is, umm, the youngest of the three. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Donna Halper" ; Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Re: WBZ website up-dates > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Halper > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:43 PM > Subject: WBZ website up-dates > > >> As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at >> WBZ >> to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's >> completed, but I think you'll be pleased. I was curious about two >> things. One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional >> materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use >> in the 50s or 60s? I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit >> of >> New England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live >> Five." I have some in my own collection, but would be interested >> to >> know who else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape. >> >> Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with >> profiles of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or >> Larry >> Glick. Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some >> nominees for that page-- any former news or sports or air >> personalities who deserve to be remembered? > > How about Ron Landry (RIP) and Robin Young (still with us, and on > WBUR at > noon Mon-Fri)? > > Howard > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Nov 1 13:23:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:23:38 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates In-Reply-To: <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770711011023q5bfaec70ob3e6afe1e9971c5d@mail.gmail.com> Jefferson Kaye would be another. I think he is still working for NFL Films in Philadelphia. http://www.buffalobroadcasters.com/hof_2002.asp From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 1 15:18:01 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:18:01 -0400 Subject: I despise the Globe at this particular moment... Message-ID: <472A2669.30005@fybush.com> ...if only because they're making it ridiculously expensive for me to get my hands on one of Monday's World Series commemorative papers. Actually, there are three of us up here in Rochester who'd like to have them. It used to be that you'd call up their back issues department, pay four or five bucks and they'd send the papers out to you. (It's still that way at most papers - the Worcester Telegram & Gazette, which is even OWNED by the Globe, for crying out loud, charged me all of $3.60 for a paper, which arrived in today's mail. The Patriot-Ledger, Enterprise and Lowell Sun were a little more, but not much.) The Globe itself, however, seems to have smelled profit in the air. It's now charging a ridiculous $11 and change for shipping ONE paper, plus the $4 charge for the paper itself. That comes to a whopping $25 for the three papers. (Which, by the way, they tried to charge to my credit card TWICE. Bastards.) They've got a litany of excuses for the shipping charges, including the particularly ridiculous "because of Homeland Security rules, we have to send them this way and can't send them First Class." This is patent nonsense: when the very same Boston Globe has failed to include all the supplements in the Sunday papers coming out my way, they've sent me the entire Sunday paper, ads and all...and they've sent it first class at a postage cost of about $5. So I've cancelled my order (which they've apparently not yet gotten around to even shipping, anyway, four days after it was placed)...but I still want the darned papers. Is there anyone who has reason to be around Morrissey Boulevard who'd be willing to pick some up (I'd like to see Tuesday's and Wednesday's papers, too) and ship them this way? I'll gladly pay a reasonable amount for shipping...just not the exorbitant amount the Globe wants to charge me. And, hey, maybe the folks over at WEEI (no fans of the Globe, they) would like to have some fun with this one, too...I know we have some Guest Street people on this list. s From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Nov 1 18:33:08 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:33:08 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. Message-ID: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> according to a bulletin from RadioInk, quoting the Associated Press - Don Imus will return to the airwaves December 3 on WABC, replacing the current morning show. Charles McCord will also join Mr. Imus. no word yet on whether or not Bernard has been invited to the party. - -Chuck Igo disclaimer: I have, in the past, listened to and enjoyed Don Imus radio broadcasts. i have even provided morning show prep material for Mr.Imus during one of his Boston studio visits. i have watched and clapped for Mr.McCord's dog in the dog show. i have laughed at some of Bernard's material. i have heard of WABC. i have no direct connection to any of the above mentioned people or media entities. From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 1 18:41:47 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <38492.66.195.169.98.1193956907.squirrel@webmail7.pair.com> > disclaimer: I have, in the past, listened to and enjoyed Don Imus radio > broadcasts. i have even provided morning show prep material for Mr.Imus > during one of his Boston studio visits. i have watched and clapped for > Mr.McCord's dog in the dog show. i have laughed at some of Bernard's > material. i have heard of WABC. i have no direct connection to any of > the above mentioned people or media entities. Ah, but WABC is owned by Citadel, and you compete with Citadel stations in your home market, don't you now, Mr. Igo? ;-) s From billohno@gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:30:03 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:30:03 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > - -Chuck Igo > disclaimer: I have, in the past, listened to and enjoyed Don Imus radio broadcasts. i have even provided morning show prep material for Mr.Imus during one of his Boston studio visits. i have watched and clapped for Mr.McCord's dog in the dog show. i have laughed at some of Bernard's material. i have heard of WABC. i have no direct connection to any of the above mentioned people or media entities. > Ah, yes, but what Mr. Igo fails to disclose with all due diligence is that he has, indeed, mastered his A-B-Cs. That expert level of competency is akin to a holder of a Black Belt in martial arts speaking nicely of a Charlie Chan film without revealing said mastery. Mr. Igo also neglects to reveal in his post that he has been overheard exclaiming, "that S-O-B can't suck enough." And the occasional, "HAVE mercy!" And all of that in the context of reading posts that butt-kick his likeness clear onto Ilseboro without a boat. I'm just sayin'. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and radio. Rodney Dangerfield From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 2 00:25:53 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:25:53 -0500 Subject: Carr's latest legal moves In-Reply-To: <00ce01c81c4b$895345c0$6401a8c0@default> References: , <00ce01c81c4b$895345c0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <472A6081.9936.7F7D92@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Nov 2007 at 1:48, Don A wrote: > From what I understand AFTRA got this thru the legislature. > > It appears that Howie is 'persona non grata' with AFTRA these days. > > He was constantly badmouthing the union, and was one of those involved > in having AFTRA decertified from WRKO & WEEI. > > I don't think the union is going to do much for Howie. I guess you reap what you sow. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Nov 2 03:54:40 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:54:40 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill Date: Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Official Imus Return. > Ah, yes, but what Mr. Igo fails to disclose with all due diligence > is > that he has, indeed, mastered his A-B-Cs. That expert level of > competency is akin to a holder of a Black Belt in martial arts > speaking > nicely of a Charlie Chan film without revealing said mastery. Mr. > Igo > also neglects to reveal in his post that he has been overheard > exclaiming, "that S-O-B can't suck enough." And the occasional, > "HAVE > mercy!" And all of that in the context of reading posts that butt- > kick > his likeness clear onto Ilseboro without a boat. I'm just sayin'. > and i did fail to mention that i mentioned "The I-Man" in my novel, "Taken Identity." sorry about that omission. i've also been known to say "that'll be enough, Bernard," even to people who aren't named Bernard. - -Chuck Igo From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 2 10:23:33 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:23:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> Ron Landry died a few years ago, IIRC. Also, my impression from Donna's original post is that the tribute page will be for ex-WBZers, living and dead. Larry Glick was mentioned; he's still alive, right? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan.Strassberg To: Howard Glazer ; Donna Halper ; Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: WBZ website up-dates > AFAIK, all three that you mentioned (not just Robin Young) are still > living, though Robin is, umm, the youngest of the three. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Glazer" > To: "Donna Halper" ; > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: WBZ website up-dates > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Donna Halper > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:43 PM > > Subject: WBZ website up-dates > > > > > >> As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at > >> WBZ > >> to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's > >> completed, but I think you'll be pleased. I was curious about two > >> things. One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional > >> materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use > >> in the 50s or 60s? I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit > >> of > >> New England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live > >> Five." I have some in my own collection, but would be interested > >> to > >> know who else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape. > >> > >> Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with > >> profiles of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or > >> Larry > >> Glick. Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some > >> nominees for that page-- any former news or sports or air > >> personalities who deserve to be remembered? > > > > How about Ron Landry (RIP) and Robin Young (still with us, and on > > WBUR at > > noon Mon-Fri)? > > > > Howard > > > From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Nov 2 10:34:26 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:34:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates In-Reply-To: <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <018c01c81d5d$78775670$0200a8c0@Office> Let me check! >insert whistle here< Howard wrote: Larry Glick was mentioned; he's still alive, right? From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Nov 2 09:41:46 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:41:46 -0400 Subject: WBZ website up-dates In-Reply-To: <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20071102134212.A5E8644E3A9@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 10:23 AM 11/2/2007, Howard Glazer wrote: >Ron Landry died a few years ago, IIRC. Also, my impression from Donna's >original post is that the tribute page will be for ex-WBZers, living and >dead. Larry Glick was mentioned; he's still alive, right? Yes, we are talking two "pages" on the site. One location is a tribute to those who passed away (like David Brudnoy, Paul Sullivan, Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart, etc), and another is for those still alive. The common thread is that the people would have all worked for WBZ for a long enough period of time to be associated in people's minds with the station. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:52:03 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:52:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates In-Reply-To: <20071102134212.A5E8644E3A9@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> <20071102134212.A5E8644E3A9@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711020652w4b62a19od14549e4483489b4@mail.gmail.com> Larry is alive and well and is working as a greeter at Legal Seafoods in Boca Raton, Florida From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 11:44:22 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:44:22 -0400 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs Message-ID: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what time do Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? Thanks From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:48:54 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:48:54 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago Message-ID: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> CBS flipped WCKG this morning to Christmas music. This prompted Clear Channel's WLIT to do the same a week earlier than planned. It's NOVEMBER 2nd http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-071101wckg,0,1892233.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Nov 2 11:59:05 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:59:05 -0700 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs In-Reply-To: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> References: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 11:49AM, "Don A" wrote: >I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what time do >Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? It's not the same everywhere in New England. When I worked in Bangor it was 4:15, but I seem to remember the Boston stations got an extra 15 minutes. Mark From irw@well.com Fri Nov 2 12:23:55 2007 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 93.1fm in Indianapolis changed formats to Christmas Music in anticipation of a format change in early 2008. Their format change happened 8 October, and it was at least 75 outside that day! - Blaine From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Nov 2 12:24:54 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:24:54 -0400 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs In-Reply-To: References: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: And in Connecticut and other parts of Western New England it's fifteen minutes after that. The 4:15 time is Standard Time. We are still in Daylight Savings Time until Sunday morning, so until the time change Boston area daytimers (like WILD) have to shut it down at 5:15. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:59 AM, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 11:49AM, "Don A" > wrote: >> I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what >> time do >> Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? > > It's not the same everywhere in New England. When I worked in Bangor > it was 4:15, but > I seem to remember the Boston stations got an extra 15 minutes. > > Mark > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 2 12:32:46 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:32:46 -0400 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs References: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002301c81d6e$017063d0$56eda644@SatU205S5044> A bunch of different times. New England is WAY too geographically large for one sunrise time and one sunset time to work for the entire region. In the immediate Boston area, I think the times (STANDARD TIME) for sunrise and sunset are 6:45AM and 4:30PM Eastern. But if you checked (as you can easily do at the FCC Web site--the CDBS data for every AM that makes operational changes at sunrise and sunset contains a month-by-month table of sunrise/sunset times for that station), you could easily find that the times for different communities are different. Sometimes, the times are different for different stations licensed to the same community; the geographic coordinates can differ enough that the average sunrise or sunset times in a particular month rounded to the nearest quarter hour can work out to be different. After all, if the average sunset time somewhere is 4:37:29 (rounded to 4:30), you don't have to go very far to find a place where the corresponding time is 4:37:31 (rounded to 4:45). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "BRI" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Daytimer sign-offs >I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what >time do Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? > > Thanks > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:32:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:32:56 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0711020932r2a22755fhae695cc01afc48f1@mail.gmail.com> And of course the Christmas ads started before Halloween, too; TRN's Laura Ingraham show is playing Overstock.com ads with Santa and his elves singing "Ho ho ho! The big big big O! Overstock.com!" to the tune of Jingle Bells even though we still have leaves on the trees. On 11/2/07, Blaine Thompson wrote: > 93.1fm in Indianapolis changed formats to Christmas Music in anticipation > of a format change in early 2008. > > Their format change happened 8 October, and it was at least 75 outside > that day! > > - Blaine > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 2 12:37:26 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:37:26 -0400 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs References: <006301c81d67$3ffe5a50$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002901c81d6e$a8e66a60$56eda644@SatU205S5044> Nope. WILD can stay at full (critical hours) power (somewhat less than 2 kW) until 5:30 DST tonight and tomorrow. But WILD gets another half hour (in most months) at reduced power, because the sun sets at WBAL roughly 1/2 hour after the sun sets in Boston. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: Cc: "BRI" ; "Don A" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Daytimer sign-offs > And in Connecticut and other parts of Western New England it's > fifteen minutes after that. The 4:15 time is Standard Time. We are > still in Daylight Savings Time until Sunday morning, so until the > time change Boston area daytimers (like WILD) have to shut it down > at 5:15. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:59 AM, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > >> On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 11:49AM, "Don A" >> wrote: >>> I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what >>> time do >>> Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? >> >> It's not the same everywhere in New England. When I worked in >> Bangor it was 4:15, but >> I seem to remember the Boston stations got an extra 15 minutes. >> >> Mark >> > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Nov 2 13:15:36 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:15:36 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > and i did fail to mention that i mentioned "The I-Man" in my > novel, "Taken Identity." sorry about that omission. > i've also been known to say "that'll be enough, Bernard," even to > people who aren't named Bernard. Mr. Igo failed to disclose that he shares an initial with Don Imus. Readers will want to take that into account when reading any discourse of his regarding the so-called "I-man". --RC From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Fri Nov 2 14:23:58 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:23:58 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> Not looking forward to when WODS flips to Christmas also. Too bad that Oldies is not running HD yet as then there would be another listenable option. At 11:48 AM 11/2/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >CBS flipped WCKG this morning to Christmas music. This prompted Clear >Channel's WLIT to do the same a week earlier than planned. > >It's NOVEMBER 2nd > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-071101wckg,0,1892233.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout From paul@derrynh.net Fri Nov 2 14:32:40 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:32:40 -0400 Subject: Daytimer sign-offs In-Reply-To: <002901c81d6e$a8e66a60$56eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <006001c81d7e$c0f33bf0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> That would be in the Winter Only.... I believe in the Summer, even allowing for Baltimore being somewhat west of Boston, Boston has a later sunset due to the higher latitude.. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH (Where 'BAL comes in stronger even in daytime if there's ANY skywave at all) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:37 PM To: David Tomm; Mark Laurence Cc: BRI; Don A Subject: Re: Daytimer sign-offs Nope. WILD can stay at full (critical hours) power (somewhat less than 2 kW) until 5:30 DST tonight and tomorrow. But WILD gets another half hour (in most months) at reduced power, because the sun sets at WBAL roughly 1/2 hour after the sun sets in Boston. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: Cc: "BRI" ; "Don A" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Daytimer sign-offs > And in Connecticut and other parts of Western New England it's > fifteen minutes after that. The 4:15 time is Standard Time. We are > still in Daylight Savings Time until Sunday morning, so until the > time change Boston area daytimers (like WILD) have to shut it down > at 5:15. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:59 AM, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > >> On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 11:49AM, "Don A" >> wrote: >>> I know some of you know this like the back of your hand...but what >>> time do >>> Daytimers in New England have to sign-off in Novermber? >> >> It's not the same everywhere in New England. When I worked in >> Bangor it was 4:15, but >> I seem to remember the Boston stations got an extra 15 minutes. >> >> Mark >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 2 14:57:46 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:57:46 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> Message-ID: <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> Talking about obsessive personalities, there used to be a guy on this list who, year after year, would obsess about the Christmas music formats ad nauseum for months on end and then, shortly before New Year's, would follow up with long strngs wildly inaccurate predictions for the next year in Boston radio. At the moment, I (thankfully) can't recall his name but somebody will surely remind me. Anyhow, where is he when we absolutely don't need him? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > Not looking forward to when WODS flips to Christmas also. > Too bad that Oldies is not running HD yet as then there > would be another listenable option. > > > At 11:48 AM 11/2/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>CBS flipped WCKG this morning to Christmas music. This prompted >>Clear >>Channel's WLIT to do the same a week earlier than planned. >> >>It's NOVEMBER 2nd >> >>http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-071101wckg,0,1892233.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:21:57 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:21:57 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> Ah yes Joesph Gallent From billohno@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 14:32:24 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:32:24 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > Mr. Igo failed to disclose that he shares an initial with Don Imus. > Readers will want to take that into account when reading any discourse > of his regarding the so-called "I-man". Oh, and here's another one on Mr. Igo while we pile-on -- His "Taken Identity" work (which is a wicked good read and I am still eager to turn pages each evening versus TV) is a book. Don Imus reads books. Imus should read Chuck's book. But then that would be a conflict-within-a-conflict (feedback loop) and Imus has been under enough scrutiny. Ab-so-freakin-lutely, Mr. President. Before I put a wrapper on this string, we need not remind that Igo breathes air. Imus breathes...oh never mind, no problem there. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Nov 2 15:34:57 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:34:57 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: He moved on to Radio-Info and racked up a staggering number of posts with them, and then disappeared from that forum as well. The difference now, and even Joe would get this...Christmas formats make money and attract listeners for stations that target adults the rest of the year. WODS gets a noticeable bounce in the Fall book every year and it lingers into the Spring. Without the Christmas music fueled revenue that station enjoys every year, chances are WODS would have flipped to some other format by now, or transitioned to Classic Hits. IMHO, oldies fans in Boston should be thankful for the 6 week diversion into Santa-land every year. Without it, oldies may very well be gone in this town. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 2, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Ah yes Joesph Gallent > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Nov 2 15:38:20 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:38:20 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <050d01c81d87$ecdc4c30$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > He moved on to Radio-Info and racked up a staggering number of posts > with them, and then disappeared from that forum as well. He's still on radioinsight.com, started by the former owners of radio-info. There's not too many people posting over there though. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From billohno@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:43:00 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:43:00 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago In-Reply-To: <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <472B7DC4.3090707@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anyhow, where is > he when we absolutely don't need him? Now, now, Daniel. ;-) -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Fri Nov 2 16:20:06 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:06 -0400 Subject: Broadcast Engineering Forums/Boards Message-ID: <472B8676.1060001@tampabay.rr.com> Are there any forums or boards devoted to broadcast engineering? I'd like to see what is going on with the new technology, and jobs etc. I'll retire from IT in the next 5 years, and would very much like to return to my broadcasting roots. There is something inherently beautiful in AM directional arrays, big FM sticks, etc. I can almost smell the ozone :-) Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA (ex WMEX, WCOP AM/FM, WVMT) From scott@fybush.com Fri Nov 2 16:26:27 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:26:27 -0400 Subject: Broadcast Engineering Forums/Boards In-Reply-To: <472B8676.1060001@tampabay.rr.com> References: <472B8676.1060001@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <472B87F3.5070204@fybush.com> Jon Maguire wrote: > Are there any forums or boards devoted to broadcast engineering? I'd > like to see what is going on with the new technology, and jobs etc. I'll > retire from IT in the next 5 years, and would very much like to return > to my broadcasting roots. There is something inherently beautiful in AM > directional arrays, big FM sticks, etc. I can almost smell the ozone > :-) > Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA (ex WMEX, WCOP AM/FM, WVMT) > Absolutely! Barry Mishkind's Broadcast list at radiolists.net is one of the best. Also, radio-tech (radio-tech-request@broadcast.net) is very good. The engineering boards at radio-info.com and radioinsight.com aren't bad, either. s From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Fri Nov 2 16:38:19 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:38:19 -0400 Subject: Broadcast Engineering Forums/Boards In-Reply-To: <472B87F3.5070204@fybush.com> References: <472B8676.1060001@tampabay.rr.com> <472B87F3.5070204@fybush.com> Message-ID: <472B8ABB.6090706@tampabay.rr.com> Hi Scott, many thanks for the pointers. I have this urge to get current with the latest AM and FM technology. Of course, antennas, phasors, transmission lines, AM and FM transmitter theory hasn't changed, just the implementation. HD and other new technologies look very interesting. I've used DRM in Ham radio, and it's pretty neat. Thanks again. Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA (ex WMEX, WCOP AM/FM, WVMT) Scott Fybush wrote: > Jon Maguire wrote: >> Are there any forums or boards devoted to broadcast engineering? I'd >> like to see what is going on with the new technology, and jobs etc. >> I'll retire from IT in the next 5 years, and would very much like to >> return to my broadcasting roots. There is something inherently >> beautiful in AM directional arrays, big FM sticks, etc. I can almost >> smell the ozone :-) Jon Maguire W1MNK Brandon, FL USA (ex WMEX, >> WCOP AM/FM, WVMT) >> > > Absolutely! Barry Mishkind's Broadcast list at radiolists.net is one > of the best. Also, radio-tech (radio-tech-request@broadcast.net) is > very good. The engineering boards at radio-info.com and > radioinsight.com aren't bad, either. > > s > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 2 18:44:19 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:44:19 -0500 Subject: WBZ website up-dates References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer><001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044><000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> <20071102134212.A5E8644E3A9@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000801c81da1$e8b9f3e0$2d9c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Howard Glazer ; Dan.Strassberg ; Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: WBZ website up-dates > At 10:23 AM 11/2/2007, Howard Glazer wrote: > >Ron Landry died a few years ago, IIRC. Also, my impression from Donna's > >original post is that the tribute page will be for ex-WBZers, living and > >dead. Larry Glick was mentioned; he's still alive, right? > > Yes, we are talking two "pages" on the site. One location is a > tribute to those who passed away (like David Brudnoy, Paul Sullivan, > Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart, etc), and another is for those still > alive. The common thread is that the people would have all worked > for WBZ for a long enough period of time to be associated in people's > minds with the station. > I guess that leaves Landry (a couple of years in the mid-'60s, weekday afternoons) out. I think he was at WDRC Hartford longer than he was at WBZ. Young doesn't qualify for her radio work (a couple of years in the mid-'70s, 1-5 a.m. Sunday), but she was one of the original "Evening" hosts on WBZ-TV, so her name might still be associated with the call letters. Howard From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 17:59:39 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:59:39 -0400 Subject: WBZ website up-dates In-Reply-To: <000801c81da1$e8b9f3e0$2d9c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001701c81ca9$28c7e9a0$a6984c0c@oemcomputer> <001001c81ca2$31e610e0$f1ada742@SatU205S5044> <000401c81d5b$f41363c0$ef814c0c@oemcomputer> <20071102134212.A5E8644E3A9@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <000801c81da1$e8b9f3e0$2d9c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770711021459j5a3933f5o7468937e3d072134@mail.gmail.com> Guy Manella has to be included. Gil Santos has been at BZ 41 years. On 11/2/07, Howard Glazer wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Halper > To: Howard Glazer ; Dan.Strassberg > ; > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: WBZ website up-dates > > > > At 10:23 AM 11/2/2007, Howard Glazer wrote: > > >Ron Landry died a few years ago, IIRC. Also, my impression from Donna's > > >original post is that the tribute page will be for ex-WBZers, living and > > >dead. Larry Glick was mentioned; he's still alive, right? > > > > Yes, we are talking two "pages" on the site. One location is a > > tribute to those who passed away (like David Brudnoy, Paul Sullivan, > > Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart, etc), and another is for those still > > alive. The common thread is that the people would have all worked > > for WBZ for a long enough period of time to be associated in people's > > minds with the station. > > > > I guess that leaves Landry (a couple of years in the mid-'60s, weekday > afternoons) out. I think he was at WDRC Hartford longer than he was at WBZ. > Young doesn't qualify for her radio work (a couple of years in the mid-'70s, > 1-5 a.m. Sunday), but she was one of the original "Evening" hosts on WBZ-TV, > so her name might still be associated with the call letters. > > Howard > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 18:20:53 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago Message-ID: <942186.1111.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And Santa arrived at the Burlington (MA) mall today. The Halloween candy isn't even gone yet. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 11:48:54 AM Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago CBS flipped WCKG this morning to Christmas music. This prompted Clear Channel's WLIT to do the same a week earlier than planned. It's NOVEMBER 2nd http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-071101wckg,0,1892233.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Nov 2 20:17:45 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:17:45 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <023a01c81dae$f5e045d0$6401a8c0@pastor2> David said: <> I'm incredulous. Astonished. Flummoxed. Amazed --- that this format actually draws good ratings. IMHO, Christmas pop music is so ubiquitous this time of year (people can hear the same thing when they go into Walmart or any other store) that after a short time it gets tiresome. Makes me wonder how many people actually LISTEN to music on the radio, or whether it's just background noise while they do something else. Curmudgeonly yours, Doug ---- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Ron Bello" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > He moved on to Radio-Info and racked up a staggering number of posts > with them, and then disappeared from that forum as well. > > The difference now, and even Joe would get this...Christmas formats > make money and attract listeners for stations that target adults the > rest of the year. WODS gets a noticeable bounce in the Fall book every > year and it lingers into the Spring. Without the Christmas music > fueled revenue that station enjoys every year, chances are WODS would > have flipped to some other format by now, or transitioned to Classic > Hits. IMHO, oldies fans in Boston should be thankful for the 6 week > diversion into Santa-land every year. Without it, oldies may very well > be gone in this town. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Nov 2, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Ah yes Joesph Gallent > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 2 20:35:14 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:35:14 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <973961DAD7074EDEA90E6B275F9D4841@DanBillingsPC> Chuck would be very lucky to get the I-man to talk about his book. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 2 22:54:01 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:54:01 -0400 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com> <119402783901@mx05.gis.net><000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044> <472B7DC4.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002901c81dc4$cbda3550$8eefa644@SatU205S5044> In all of the years that Gallant made annual predictions here, he probably racked up well over 100 prognostications. Of those, I suspect that one or two actually proved correct. After all, as they say, even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then. It probably is a tad mean to make fun of him; he was responsible for some of the best inadvertant humor we've enjoyed on this list. And until he tired of being the butt of so many jokes, he always seemed game to be the butt of still more. Just for the record and to suitably memorialize his presence here, can anybody recall a Gallant prediction that came true--and the year in which he promised us it would take place? Perhaps a virtual placque is in order. Anybody up for making a virtual contribution? (As the dollar sinks slowly into the sunset, the difference between virtual and real monetary contributions becomes increasingly indistinguishable;>(( ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "Ron Bello" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Anyhow, where is >> he when we absolutely don't need him? > Now, now, Daniel. ;-) > -- > I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a > radio. > /Rodney Dangerfield/ From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 01:50:44 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:50:44 -0400 Subject: Official Imus Return. References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d201c81ddd$90defd50$6401a8c0@default> Well, he could put it all in one -BIG- sig line...and be done with it. ;-) d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Official Imus Return. > Richard Chonak wrote: >> Mr. Igo failed to disclose that he shares an initial with Don Imus. >> Readers will want to take that into account when reading any discourse of >> his regarding the so-called "I-man". > > Oh, and here's another one on Mr. Igo while we pile-on -- His "Taken > Identity" work (which is a wicked good read and I am still eager to turn > pages each evening versus TV) is a book. Don Imus reads books. Imus > should read Chuck's book. But then that would be a > conflict-within-a-conflict (feedback loop) and Imus has been under enough > scrutiny. Ab-so-freakin-lutely, Mr. President. Before I put a wrapper on > this string, we need not remind that Igo breathes air. Imus breathes...oh > never mind, no problem there. > > Bill O'Neill > > -- From markwats@comcast.net Sat Nov 3 10:25:28 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:25:28 -0400 Subject: Lowell Spinners Returning To WCAP As Transfer of Ownership Days Away Message-ID: <000d01c81e25$630b5750$738d764c@Mark> According to an article in today's (11/3) Lowell Sun, the Lowell Spinners radio broadcasts will be returning to WCAP next season. WCAP had been the radio home of the Spinners for a few years until last season, when WLLH acquired the games. The Sun article quoted Spinners' officials as saying the new owners of WCAP, Clark Smidt & Sam Poulten approached the team to discuss bring the broadcasts back to the station. Also, the article mentions that WCAP has expanded it's sports coverage by carrying some U Mass Lowell Hockey games, picking up the coverage from U Mass Lowell's WUML (91.5) with Bob Ellis on play by play. WCAP continues to carry Lowell Devils AHL Hockey. The article also mentions that the transfer of control of WCAP from Maurice Cohen to Clark Smidt & Sam Poulten is slated to take place in the coming week. Unfortunetly the Sun article is not on line as of now. However, here's a link to a press release on the Spinners' website announcing the team's return to WCAP: http://www.lowellspinners.com/news_returnWCAP.html Mark Watson Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Nov 3 11:14:36 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: Lowell Spinners Returning To WCAP As Transfer of Ownership Days Away In-Reply-To: <000d01c81e25$630b5750$738d764c@Mark> References: <000d01c81e25$630b5750$738d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770711030814y41559babl857cfc9bb44c6a95@mail.gmail.com> Smart move by the Spinners. Who knows what kind of format WLLH will have next year. The days of ESPN 890 are numbered...Ordway even hinted yesterday that Felger will be back on the Big Show soon. The last ratings book was a disaster for WAMG as they are not even listed. They had been showing a small number until now which is something WWZN never did. On 11/3/07, Mark Watson wrote: > According to an article in today's (11/3) Lowell Sun, the Lowell Spinners > radio broadcasts will be returning to WCAP next season. WCAP had been the > radio home of the Spinners for a few years until last season, when WLLH > acquired the games. The Sun article quoted Spinners' officials as saying the > new owners of WCAP, Clark Smidt & Sam Poulten approached the team to discuss > bring the broadcasts back to the station. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 11:15:02 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:15:02 -0400 Subject: Lowell Spinners Returning To WCAP As Transfer of Ownership Days Away References: <000d01c81e25$630b5750$738d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <007601c81e2c$51401e50$6401a8c0@default> From: "Mark Watson" > The article also mentions that the transfer of control of WCAP from > Maurice Cohen to Clark Smidt & Sam Poulten is slated to take place in the > coming week. Hopefully the change of ownership will mean the end of Michael Savage's show..... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 11:30:41 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lowell Spinners Returning To WCAP As Transfer of Ownership Days Away In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711030814y41559babl857cfc9bb44c6a95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17467.44453.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Smart move by the Spinners. Who knows what kind of format WLLH will > have next year. The days of ESPN 890 are numbered...Ordway even > hinted > yesterday that Felger will be back on the Big Show soon. The last > ratings book was a disaster for WAMG as they are not even listed. > They > had been showing a small number until now which is something WWZN > never did. So when does the ESPN mothership come in and (officially) bail out the station? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 3 13:25:38 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:25:38 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com><119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> <023a01c81dae$f5e045d0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001f01c81e3e$8e136320$a5814c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Drown To: David Tomm ; Kevin Vahey Cc: ; Ron Bello ; Dan.Strassberg Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > David said: < stations that target adults the rest of the year.>> > > I'm incredulous. Astonished. Flummoxed. Amazed --- that this format > actually draws good ratings. IMHO, Christmas pop music is so ubiquitous this > time of year (people can hear the same thing when they go into Walmart or > any other store) that after a short time it gets tiresome. Makes me wonder > how many people actually LISTEN to music on the radio, or whether it's just > background noise while they do something else. > It's background noise for MOST of the audience, even a radio nut like me some of the time. I've got XM's '70s channel droning along in the background as I type this, and I can't tell you the last three songs played. Radio hasn't been a foreground medium since Truman's day. Howard From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Nov 3 15:25:37 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:25:37 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com><119402783901@mx05.gis.net> <000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com> <023a01c81dae$f5e045d0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <001f01c81e3e$8e136320$a5814c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c81e4f$50cd4a60$6401a8c0@pastor2> <> By and large, 'tis so, alas. But we really do listen occasionally. My then-86-year-old mother was with me one day on the New Hampshire Turnpike. I was twiddling the dial as WODS was playing "Doo Wah Diddy" by Roy Orbison. I kept on twiddling, and she said, "HEY! DON'T SHUT THAT OFF!!" -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Doug Drown" ; "David Tomm" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: ; "Ron Bello" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Drown > To: David Tomm ; Kevin Vahey > Cc: ; Ron Bello > ; Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > David said: < > stations that target adults the rest of the year.>> > > > > I'm incredulous. Astonished. Flummoxed. Amazed --- that this format > > actually draws good ratings. IMHO, Christmas pop music is so ubiquitous > this > > time of year (people can hear the same thing when they go into Walmart or > > any other store) that after a short time it gets tiresome. Makes me > wonder > > how many people actually LISTEN to music on the radio, or whether it's > just > > background noise while they do something else. > > > > It's background noise for MOST of the audience, even a radio nut like me > some of the time. I've got XM's '70s channel droning along in the background > as I type this, and I can't tell you the last three songs played. Radio > hasn't been a foreground medium since Truman's day. > > Howard > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 16:28:19 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:28:19 -0500 Subject: Official Imus Return. In-Reply-To: <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> References: <001901c81cd7$2f64f130$0201a8c0@Family> <472A617B.6080304@gmail.com> <472B5B38.1030909@gabrielmass.com> <472B6D38.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711021328hf9a4e78mb9b0cb05e4ea4d87@mail.gmail.com> My copy arrived from Amazon today Chuck is now ranked 1,596,789 in Books On 11/2/07, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > > Oh, and here's another one on Mr. Igo while we pile-on -- His "Taken > Identity" work (which is a wicked good read and I am still eager to turn > pages each evening versus TV) is a book.-- > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 3 20:41:46 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:41:46 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com><119402783901@mx05.gis.net><000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com><023a01c81dae$f5e045d0$6401a8c0@pastor2><001f01c81e3e$8e136320$a5814c0c@oemcomputer> <001301c81e4f$50cd4a60$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000401c81e7b$7bf7b0a0$6e8f4c0c@oemcomputer> You mean Manfred Mann? I can't imagine Orbison doing that song, or WODS playing his version. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Drown To: Howard Glazer ; David Tomm ; Kevin Vahey Cc: ; Ron Bello ; Dan.Strassberg Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > <> > By and large, 'tis so, alas. But we really do listen occasionally. My > then-86-year-old mother was with me one day on the New Hampshire Turnpike. > I was twiddling the dial as WODS was playing "Doo Wah Diddy" by Roy Orbison. > I kept on twiddling, and she said, "HEY! DON'T SHUT THAT OFF!!" > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Glazer" > To: "Doug Drown" ; "David Tomm" > ; "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: ; "Ron Bello" > ; "Dan.Strassberg" > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Doug Drown > > To: David Tomm ; Kevin Vahey > > Cc: ; Ron Bello > > ; Dan.Strassberg > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:17 PM > > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > > > > David said: < > > stations that target adults the rest of the year.>> > > > > > > I'm incredulous. Astonished. Flummoxed. Amazed --- that this format > > > actually draws good ratings. IMHO, Christmas pop music is so ubiquitous > > this > > > time of year (people can hear the same thing when they go into Walmart > or > > > any other store) that after a short time it gets tiresome. Makes me > > wonder > > > how many people actually LISTEN to music on the radio, or whether it's > > just > > > background noise while they do something else. > > > > > > > It's background noise for MOST of the audience, even a radio nut like me > > some of the time. I've got XM's '70s channel droning along in the > background > > as I type this, and I can't tell you the last three songs played. Radio > > hasn't been a foreground medium since Truman's day. > > > > Howard > > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Nov 3 20:54:42 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:54:42 -0500 Subject: Thank goodness we not in Chicago References: <4fc429770711020848j13784dd5ye48eb60be1fc22b1@mail.gmail.com><119402783901@mx05.gis.net><000b01c81d82$45911870$69efa644@SatU205S5044><4fc429770711021221y2626bf49p231898bd83f822c9@mail.gmail.com><023a01c81dae$f5e045d0$6401a8c0@pastor2><001f01c81e3e$8e136320$a5814c0c@oemcomputer> <001301c81e4f$50cd4a60$6401a8c0@pastor2> <000401c81e7b$7bf7b0a0$6e8f4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003401c81e7d$49d46260$6401a8c0@pastor2> My bad. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Doug Drown" ; "David Tomm" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: ; "Ron Bello" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > You mean Manfred Mann? I can't imagine Orbison doing that song, or WODS > playing his version. > > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Drown > To: Howard Glazer ; David Tomm > ; Kevin Vahey > Cc: ; Ron Bello > ; Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > <> > > By and large, 'tis so, alas. But we really do listen occasionally. My > > then-86-year-old mother was with me one day on the New Hampshire Turnpike. > > I was twiddling the dial as WODS was playing "Doo Wah Diddy" by Roy > Orbison. > > I kept on twiddling, and she said, "HEY! DON'T SHUT THAT OFF!!" > > > > -Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Howard Glazer" > > To: "Doug Drown" ; "David Tomm" > > ; "Kevin Vahey" > > Cc: ; "Ron Bello" > > ; "Dan.Strassberg" > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Doug Drown > > > To: David Tomm ; Kevin Vahey > > > > Cc: ; Ron Bello > > > ; Dan.Strassberg > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Thank goodness we not in Chicago > > > > > > > > > > David said: < > > > stations that target adults the rest of the year.>> > > > > > > > > I'm incredulous. Astonished. Flummoxed. Amazed --- that this format > > > > actually draws good ratings. IMHO, Christmas pop music is so > ubiquitous > > > this > > > > time of year (people can hear the same thing when they go into Walmart > > or > > > > any other store) that after a short time it gets tiresome. Makes me > > > wonder > > > > how many people actually LISTEN to music on the radio, or whether it's > > > just > > > > background noise while they do something else. > > > > > > > > > > It's background noise for MOST of the audience, even a radio nut like me > > > some of the time. I've got XM's '70s channel droning along in the > > background > > > as I type this, and I can't tell you the last three songs played. Radio > > > hasn't been a foreground medium since Truman's day. > > > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 4 16:08:33 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:08:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Asleep at the Wheel Live at the Regent Theatre, Arlington, Mass Wed Nov 14 Message-ID: <20071104210900.A5D511F3619@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Leland Stein wrote and asked me this, and alas, I don't know either Michael or Stu. If any of you do, perhaps you can contact Leland directly? His e-mail is Leland wrote-- >Sorry to bother you, but I found you folks in an online thread >discussing classic country and radio in the Boston area, so I >thought you might want to know about this concert (9-Time GRAMMY >winners Asleep at the Wheel) and also maybe suggest on how to get >the word out. I've been trying to call the "Sunday Morning Country >Oldies Show" all morning, but can't get through. Anyone know how to >reach Michael Burns and/or Stu Fink directly, by chance? > >Thanks a bunch, > >Leland Stein >Regent Theatre >www.regenttheatre.com/events > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Nov 5 10:52:27 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:52:27 -0500 Subject: All Access "source": Howie back to WRKO Message-ID: <20071105155228.0E08383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.savewrko.com reports that a "reliable source" has told All Access that Howie is giving up his attempt to go to WTKK and will return to WRKO soon. If so we'll see how Imus, etc. plays out. He fought the law, and you know the rest. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Nov 5 11:29:09 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:29:09 -0500 Subject: All Access "source": Howie back to WRKO In-Reply-To: <20071105155228.0E08383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071105155228.0E08383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <472F44D5.1070308@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > http://www.savewrko.com reports that a "reliable source" has told All Access that Howie is giving up his > attempt to go to WTKK and will return to WRKO soon. You know what they say, when you've got the eight hundred large, you've got the eight hundred large. No tears for Howie. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Nov 5 19:19:25 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:19:25 -0500 Subject: Imus Message-ID: <9ECD5A4521A14214B3BE982E2530F7FD@DanBillingsPC> Before the blow-up, Imus was on Saga's 970 WZAN Portland. He had been on the station since shortly after it changed to talk in 1993. His new show will come from Citadel -- Saga's major competitor in Portland. Imus does not seem to fit on any of Citadel's Portland properties. WZAN would be a natural landing spot for him in Portland. Will Citadel want him on a competing station? Will Saga want to carry a Citadel property? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 02:42:19 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:42:19 -0500 Subject: 'NSH Message-ID: <00eb01c82048$945e95e0$6401a8c0@default> Does anyone know for sure if WNSH is finally up to their new power of 30KW? From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 6 07:52:27 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:52:27 +0000 Subject: 'NSH Message-ID: <110620071252.24451.4730638A0008AF2600005F8322230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> Most unlikely--based not only on listening but also on the FCC's usual procedure. Because so many stations potentially receive normally prohibited interference from WNSH's new operation, the usual procedure is to require a complete proof-of-performance together with the tendering of an application for a license to cover. If the proofs look good, the FCC will accept the application for filing and then allow the station to operate with the facilities described in the CP. Until then, the usual custom is to allow the station to use 1/4 of the CP power, which results in a field stength of 1/2 that of the full power. WNSH's situation is also odd because of the very low antenna efficiency, which results from the abysmal soil conductivity at the Tx site together with ground radials that could not be installed in a manner compliant with FCC regulations. Quite possibly, the FCC wants measurements along more than the usual number of radials. Those measurements are, no doubt, complicate! d by th e need to make them at monitor points in Massachusetts Bay. With GPS, locating the points isn't the big deal it once would have been but it is an additional complication. I suspect that full power may still be months away. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from "Don A" : -------------- > > Does anyone know for sure if WNSH is finally up to their new power of 30KW? > > > > > > From kwillcox@wnsh.com Tue Nov 6 13:55:15 2007 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:55:15 -0500 Subject: WNSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711061855.lA6ItVrS010456@tsornin.bostonradio.org> >WNSH is operating at full power. We have been heard during daytime >as far south as North Dartmouth and Needham, although our signal is >best in Essex County. We continue our all-women's talk format, and I >must admit Dr. Joy Browne is busy unscrambling all my personal >issues. You can hear her live weekdays 12-3. We operate 30 KW non-directional from Beverly MA during daylight hours and go down to...85 watts (think of a single lightbulb) at night We are having some growing pains with our new BE transmitter so there are and will be moments of lower power, and I was taken by surprise as the automation computer remembered the old DST. Otherwise we are open for business and selling both advertising and weekend hour blocks. If you need a smile in the AM, please don't miss Bob and Sheri from 6-9 weekdays. Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 6 16:36:28 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:36:28 +0000 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <110620072136.18563.4730DE5A000D27BC0000488322228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> I am dumbfounded. I knew that the new signal would not be a world-beater, but even with what I learned from your application about the low antenna efficiency, I am truly surprised at how awful the signal is! (I live in Arlington, near the Lexington line, just north of Route 2. I have a few decent AM radios including a Super Radio III. Based on loudness and background noise, I judge WNSH's signal here to be in the neighborhood of 1.5 mV/m.) The signal sounds roughly equivalent to WESX's 600 or so watts. (WESX's power is nominally 1 kW, but it is throttled back because of the very efficient half-wave antenna.) I find it hard to believe that WNSH's signal is equivalent to 15 kW from a normal minimally efficient Class D radiator. That power and efficiency would produce an RMS field of about 1080 mV/m @ 1 km. Are you SURE everything is working correctly? Are you modulating normally (125% on positive peaks, near 0% on negative peaks)? If everything really is working as intended, I could easily believe that WNSH has America's dead worst 30-kW AM signal! Sure, you are serving Essex county, but 30 kW--even from an antenna that is well below Class D minimum efficiency, should produce a much better signal than what I am hearing. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from Keating Willcox : -------------- > > >WNSH is operating at full power. > > We operate 30 KW non-directional from Beverly MA during daylight > hours and go down to...85 watts (think of a single lightbulb) at night > From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 7 17:04:56 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:04:56 -0500 Subject: You Never Know What You'll Hear On WWZN-AM Message-ID: <20071107220456.9E6BC1CE5EE@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> When all-sports WWZN-AM 1510 in Boston was purchased by Blackstrap Broadcasting last spring, their announced intention was to continue an all-sports format with a greater focus on local programming. Cue the end-of-game buzzer: after casually observing the 1510 dial spot, it appears to me that anything BUT sports is likely to be the fare. Recently they added a midnight-to-dawn "religious" show by an Elmer Gantry soundalike, "Brother Stair". Since then, sports programming has been pre-empted in mid-morning by something called "Duke and the Doctor", offering "health and nutrition advice". And in the evening (I'm not sure when the show begins) the always reliable and respected personal advice guru, Roy Masters can be heard. I do believe the former Sporting News Radio outlet in northern New Jersey when this route. WWZN's website indicates they're still committed to broadcasting Harvard and Boston University sports play-by-play. (The website also indicates that WWZN is still the home of North Shore Spirit baseball; um, the "Spirit" gave up the ghost months ago.) I'll bet Harvard and B.U. are especially pleased to be associated with such increasingly bizarre fare! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Nov 7 20:00:38 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:00:38 -0500 Subject: Londonderry Faire Jingle Message-ID: <021001c821a2$c7305070$0200a8c0@Office> Hi All Does anyone have a copy of the Londonderry Faire jingle that WRKO and 98.5-WROR used in the 70's and 80's? I'd like to get a copy for a retrospective I'm working on. Gary Francis From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 7 20:28:29 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:28:29 -0500 Subject: You Never Know What You'll Hear On WWZN-AM References: <20071107220456.9E6BC1CE5EE@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000a01c821a6$b0cbe7a0$46eda644@dstrassberg> WSNR had gone brokered ethnic under Rose City (mostly Russian, I'm told) several years before Davidson bought it. And, of course, anyone who thinks Davidson's business plan consists of anything besides selling each hour or half-hour to the highest bidder who comes along is seriously deluding himself. Also, as we now have already seen, one would be well advised to look at any press release forthcoming from Davidson with a thoroughly jaundiced eye. Still, how else is he going to make money with that turkey? I think he's going to succeed. The question is, though, how many brokered-time AM signals can the market support? WEZE, WROL, WBIX, WESX, WJDA, WRCA, WLYN, WAZN, WWZN, WNTN, WUNR and an excellent chance of WAMG in very short order. That would make an even dozen unless I've missed one or more, which seems highly likely to me. And I'm not even trying to count the pirates, which are on FM as well as AM. Can you say price war? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: You Never Know What You'll Hear On WWZN-AM When all-sports WWZN-AM 1510 in Boston was purchased by Blackstrap Broadcasting last spring, their announced intention was to continue an all-sports format with a greater focus on local programming. Cue the end-of-game buzzer: after casually observing the 1510 dial spot, it appears to me that anything BUT sports is likely to be the fare. Recently they added a midnight-to-dawn "religious" show by an Elmer Gantry soundalike, "Brother Stair". Since then, sports programming has been pre-empted in mid-morning by something called "Duke and the Doctor", offering "health and nutrition advice". And in the evening (I'm not sure when the show begins) the always reliable and respected personal advice guru, Roy Masters can be heard. I do believe the former Sporting News Radio outlet in northern New Jersey when this route. WWZN's website indicates they're still committed to broadcasting Harvard and Boston University sports play-by-play. (The website also indicates that WWZN is still the home of North Shore Spirit baseball; um, the "Spirit" gave up the ghost months ago.) I'll bet Harvard and B.U. are especially pleased to be associated with such increasingly bizarre fare! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From billohno@gmail.com Wed Nov 7 20:31:39 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:31:39 -0500 Subject: You Never Know What You'll Hear On WWZN-AM In-Reply-To: <000a01c821a6$b0cbe7a0$46eda644@dstrassberg> References: <20071107220456.9E6BC1CE5EE@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <000a01c821a6$b0cbe7a0$46eda644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <473266FB.5070605@gmail.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Can you say price war? The Russians are coming. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 8 07:24:36 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:24:36 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs Message-ID: <001901c82202$5f6e4400$a1efa644@dstrassberg> In yesterday's post I mentioned 11 local AMs that currently boker a substantial portion of their air time and a twelfth that is likely to start doing so soon. I also said that I would be surprised if I had not omitted some stations. Here are two more: WSRO and WBNW. So the market already has a baker's dozen of brokered-time AMs with the stong possibility of soon having 14. I haven't tried to figure out what percentage that is of the AM signals that reach at least a portion of the market, but it has to represent more than 1/4 and my guess is that it's a lot more than 1/4. As for Mr Glavin's suggestion (on another list) that 1330 is a good candidate for a format flip from brokered time to something else, I think the suggestion is absurd (though I would hesitate to say impossible). We have a tendency to equate running bokered time with failing stations. In fact, though, brokered time can be VERY lucrative; although brokered-time stations rarely have revenues among the top tier of stations in a market, the percentage of revenues they bring to the bottom line can be extremely high because so many of the costs that "regular" stations incur are not paid by brokered-time stations; those costs are incurred, instead, by the independent producers who lease the time for their programs. I'm not sure of this, but I believe that WRCA has only ONE full time employee on its payroll--GM Stu Fink. The same is likely true of WNTN, where station owner and GM Rob Rudnick is probably the only full-time employee. BTW, today's Tom Taylor on Radio column says that Salem, heretofore an agressive acquirer, especially of AMs, is now willing to discuss spinning off properties to qualified buyers. I doubt that ultra-right-wing Salem would knowingly sell any station to a group interested in flipping it to Progressive talk, but WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do pretty well with a Progressive talk format. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Nov 8 11:50:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:50:46 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs Message-ID: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >> WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do pretty well with a Progressive talk format. Prog. talk fans would be welcome to get any station here at this point, but there are night signal issues (and the day signal probably isn't all that much either, depending on where one is). WROL 950 would be a much better target, if that were to be sold instead. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 8 12:46:40 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:46:40 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8222f$593df8a0$cfeca644@dstrassberg> WROL has a phenomenal daytime signal for 5000W but it is a daytimer. When WROL uses its licensed facilities at night, it doesn't cover much of the market. Nevertheless, I suspect that Salem considers WROL a keeper because it makes money, I'm sure, and because Salem owns the transmitter site outright and does not have to pay rent on it. WTTT may not lose money, but I doubt whether it makes much. Yes there are signal issues--particularly on the North Shore at night--but it is a 5 kW full-time signal and it covers a lot of the market day and night. The WTTT/WAZN site is owned by American Tower Systems. The rent may not be exhorbitant but it is not zero. Salem loves to COLLECT rent from stations that diplex from its AM sites, but the company hates paying rent on sites it doesn't own even more than it loves collecting rent on those that it does own. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs >> WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do pretty well with a Progressive talk format. Prog. talk fans would be welcome to get any station here at this point, but there are night signal issues (and the day signal probably isn't all that much either, depending on where one is). WROL 950 would be a much better target, if that were to be sold instead. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 14:20:00 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:20:00 -0500 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <013d01c8223c$86627240$6401a8c0@default> I had the opportunity earlier this week to drive from northern Vermont into Boston and used it as a chance to check out the new daytime signal for WNSH. (It's always interesting to see how a 'proposed' facility upgrade actually turns out!) I started to pick up the signal just south on Manchester at Rts 93/293. The signal strength increased as I got closer to the Mass/NH border...but when I entered Massachusetts, I was surprised at how bad the signal was. Judging from this map: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WNSH&service=AM&status=C&hours=D ...WNSH should have been a reliable signal once I crossed the border. ANd while the signal was "there"....I could hear some station in the background fighting it out with them. (Whats the next nearest station I would pick up on 1570AM during the day? I don't have my database with me.) Once I crossed over 128/95 the signal was very usable and very reliable (as the map indicates it should be), and stayed that way until I got into downtown Boston traffic. While it appears the intended directional pattern is going where it out to be, I am surprised the signal wasn't as reliable and useful in the areas just outside it's primary contours. Someone on the list said there is an issue with ground/soil conuctivity? I hope there are more conversations with the consulting engineers before this is considered a "done deal". While this no doubt gives WNSH a stronger signal in their hometown/COL....and a stronger signal coverage to the north (Gloucester, etc.)...it doesn't appear to have given them the added area that I imagined from reading the documentation. I think some field test readings should be on the to-do list. From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Nov 8 15:37:19 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:37:19 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs In-Reply-To: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <70f6aeedcd6447895ffcacc4227996fd@charter.net> There was an interesting item in Tom Taylor's newsletter from Radio-Info this morning. He talks about Salem being interested in selling off some stations in certain markets, while in others exploring the possibility of putting on a Spanish/Christian teaching format. With the traditional Christian talk format on 590 and the conservatalk on 1150, would they toy with the idea of switching WROL to Spanish/Christian? Or, would they sell it off altogether? Even groups like Salem are looking to slim down their station numbers, and I could see them dumping WROL if they got the right price for it and didn't want to air a Spanish language religious format. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >>> WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do > pretty well with a Progressive talk format. > > Prog. talk fans would be welcome to get any station here at this > point, but > there are night signal issues (and the day signal probably isn't all > that much either, depending on where one is). WROL 950 would > be a much better target, if that were to be sold instead. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 8 15:56:23 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:56:23 -0500 Subject: WNSH References: <013d01c8223c$86627240$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <001d01c82249$db2bd8e0$cfeca644@dstrassberg> Don: WNSH is nondirectional (day and night). What looks like a directional pattern at radio-locator.com is simply the result of the wldly different ground conductivities that exist side by side here in southeastern New England. Within feet of each other, we have rock, which is about as poor a conductor as can be found in nature (I guess outer space is worse) and salt water, which is very good--not as good as solid copper, but you don't find solid copper in nature; you find ore, which is nowhere near as good a conductor. WNSH originally applied to increase to 50 kW-D DA with a pattern aimed north over Essex County, but Keating had had such rotten luck with directional arrays that he wasn't anxious to go through the experience again and didn't want to spend the money, so he applied to reduce the proposed power to 30 kW-D ND and that's what he built. He says it's on the air now at the full 30 kW. The signal where I live (Arlington Heights near the Lexington line just north of Route 2) is wretched--at least for that kind of power at that distance with a bit of the path either over or nearby salt water. Based on loudness and background noise, I estimate the signal strength to be in the neighborhood of 1.5 mV/m, which is listenable on a good radio but not very strong. For comparison, WCRN's signal here is about 2.1 mV/m by day and a little stronger at night. It's not a good signal either. There is no real chance that a knowledgeable buyer would buy either station for its coverage of Boston. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "BRI" ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: WNSH > I had the opportunity earlier this week to drive from northern Vermont into > Boston and used it as a chance to check out the new daytime signal for WNSH. > (It's always interesting to see how a 'proposed' facility upgrade actually > turns out!) > > I started to pick up the signal just south on Manchester at Rts 93/293. > > The signal strength increased as I got closer to the Mass/NH border...but > when I entered Massachusetts, I was surprised at how bad the signal was. > > Judging from this map: > > http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WNSH&service=AM&status=C&hours=D > > ...WNSH should have been a reliable signal once I crossed the border. > ANd while the signal was "there"....I could hear some station in the > background fighting it out with them. (Whats the next nearest station I > would pick up on 1570AM during the day? I don't have my database with me.) > > Once I crossed over 128/95 the signal was very usable and very reliable (as > the map indicates it should be), and stayed that way until I got into > downtown Boston traffic. > > While it appears the intended directional pattern is going where it out to > be, I am surprised the signal wasn't as reliable and useful in the areas > just outside it's primary contours. > > Someone on the list said there is an issue with ground/soil conuctivity? > > I hope there are more conversations with the consulting engineers before > this is considered a "done deal". > > While this no doubt gives WNSH a stronger signal in their > hometown/COL....and a stronger signal coverage to the north (Gloucester, > etc.)...it doesn't appear to have given them the added area that I imagined > from reading the documentation. > > I think some field test readings should be on the to-do list. > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Nov 8 16:06:21 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:06:21 -0500 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <20071108210621.7281016427E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: BRI , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: WNSH >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:20:00 -0500 >I started to pick up the signal just south on Manchester at Rts 93/293. >The signal strength increased as I got closer to the Mass/NH >border...but when I entered Massachusetts, I was surprised at how >bad the signal was. I mentioned a few days ago that WNNW-AM 800's first-octave signal at 1600 has its own IBOC hash that, although milder than on the "home" frequency, still bleeds a little bit up and down the dial. I imagine if WNSH were an X-band station at 1630, the same thing would occur. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 8 20:45:14 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (jjlehmann@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:45:14 +0000 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <110920070145.8239.4733BBAA0008F99A0000202F220073747802020E03080A040606@comcast.net> I can say that WNSH's signal has improved greatly on the south shore, just as the radio-locator map indicates. I used to hear WPEP when they were on the air, but now WNSH is stronger than they ever were. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don A" > I had the opportunity earlier this week to drive from northern Vermont into > Boston and used it as a chance to check out the new daytime signal for WNSH. > (It's always interesting to see how a 'proposed' facility upgrade actually > turns out!) > > I started to pick up the signal just south on Manchester at Rts 93/293. > > The signal strength increased as I got closer to the Mass/NH border...but > when I entered Massachusetts, I was surprised at how bad the signal was. > > Judging from this map: > > http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WNSH&service=AM&status=C&hours=D > > ...WNSH should have been a reliable signal once I crossed the border. > ANd while the signal was "there"....I could hear some station in the > background fighting it out with them. (Whats the next nearest station I > would pick up on 1570AM during the day? I don't have my database with me.) > > Once I crossed over 128/95 the signal was very usable and very reliable (as > the map indicates it should be), and stayed that way until I got into > downtown Boston traffic. > > While it appears the intended directional pattern is going where it out to > be, I am surprised the signal wasn't as reliable and useful in the areas > just outside it's primary contours. > > Someone on the list said there is an issue with ground/soil conuctivity? > > I hope there are more conversations with the consulting engineers before > this is considered a "done deal". > > While this no doubt gives WNSH a stronger signal in their > hometown/COL....and a stronger signal coverage to the north (Gloucester, > etc.)...it doesn't appear to have given them the added area that I imagined > from reading the documentation. > > I think some field test readings should be on the to-do list. > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 8 22:45:30 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:45:30 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs In-Reply-To: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Nov 2007 at 11:50, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do > pretty well with a Progressive talk format. > > Prog. talk fans would be welcome to get any station here at this > point, but there are night signal issues (and the day signal probably > isn't all that much either, depending on where one is). WROL 950 would > be a much better target, if that were to be sold instead. Does WROL, which used to be a daytimer, have a better night signal than WTTT? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 9 01:20:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:20:54 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> Despite being allowed to stay on the air 24/7, WROL is officially STILL a daytimer. It's a Class D AM that (ostenisibly) runs 90W at night and receives no protection from nighttime interference from other stations. With an NIF value of ~37 mV/m. WROL--when it uses its licensed facilities--does not provide an interference-free nighttime signal to any of the City of Boston or to any appreciable portion of the market. Nevertheless, because of its excellent transmitter location, WROL's 5 kW daytime signal is the market's second-best 5-kW daytime AM signal. (The best 5-kW AM signal DAY and NIGHT is that of co-owned WEZE 590. Thanks to its low dial position and good Tx location, WEZE's signal is competitive with those of two of Boston's 50 kW AMs--WRKO and WEEI and is superior to that of WWZN.) WTTT is a full-timer, legally running 5 kW day and night (DA-2). It has an NIF value of 5. mV/m, which is quite low (with NIF, lower is better), and covers much of the market at night. WTTT does have signal problems in some parts of the market at night--particularly on the North Shore. However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the market fairly well day and night. As I stated in a prior post, if Salem were to divest one of its Boston properties, I believe it would likely be WTTT and not WROL. There are two reasons for this: I'm pretty sure that WROL makes considerably more money than WTTT does (a consequence of WROL's outstanding daytime coverage and bokered-time format, which is popular and easier to make money with). Also Salem owns outright the WROL Tx site in Saugus. The WTTT/WAZN site in Lexington is leased, and though Salem is enamored of charging rent to the many AMs nationwide that diplex from AM sites that it owns, the company hates to pay rent to others for use of sites such as WTTT's, which it does not own. Salem had applied to construct a three-tower nighttime DA for WROL at the Saugus site and to operate with 5 kW-U DA-N. To protect stations to the north, west, and southwest, this rather bizarre proposal would not have sent enough signal over Boston to have delivered an NIF signal to any of the city (not even S Boston or Charlestown, IIRC). Perhaps because the Saugus site may lie in an area designated as a wetland--a place where no construction would be allowed--Salem withdrew its application after it had languished at the FCC for several years. WROL's night signal could, in theory, be upgraded to cover much more of the market at night by changing the Col to, say, Belmont, and moving the nighttime operation to the (leased) site of co-owned WTTT in Lexington. Because the WTTT site already hosts two AMs, the upgrade would be very expensive and because the WTTT site is already shared with WAZN, adding a third station would require new construction--not of towers, but of buildings. In tony, NIMBY Lexington, approvals for such construction could prove impossible to obtain (residences would be OK, but buildings that LOOK like residences from the outside but actually house broadcast equipment would not be), and at the very least would be likely to be tied up in court for most of a decade. And if Salem ultimately prevailed, it would have to pay even more rent to American Tower Systems, which owns the Lexington site. As I stated earlier in this posting, Salem finds making such payments repugnant. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs > On 8 Nov 2007 at 11:50, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > >> WTTT appears to be to be a station that could do > > pretty well with a Progressive talk format. > > > > Prog. talk fans would be welcome to get any station here at this > > point, but there are night signal issues (and the day signal probably > > isn't all that much either, depending on where one is). WROL 950 would > > be a much better target, if that were to be sold instead. > > Does WROL, which used to be a daytimer, have a better night signal > than WTTT? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 01:43:13 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:43:13 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs Message-ID: <00b601c8229b$ea634a30$6401a8c0@default> > Even groups > like Salem are looking to slim down their station numbers, and I could see > them dumping WROL if they got the right price for it... >From what I understand there have been no takers for WILD 1090AM...which is a somewhat similar signal...and both daytimers. I don't think there is much interest in daytimers anymore.... From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 01:52:59 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:52:59 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <00cb01c8229d$82160470$6401a8c0@default> > However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who > mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the market > fairly > well day and night. Dan, The WTTT signal appears to be pretty reliable both day and night within rt 128. However, in years past, when I spent more time listening in Downtown Boston, I remember hearing some other station at night behind WTTT battling it out. This was within the COL...all over Boston proper. Since WTTT was running a talk format, it was easy to hear during the pauses some other station in the background. Could/would this be CKOC? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 01:57:09 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:57:09 -0500 Subject: WNSH References: <110920070145.8239.4733BBAA0008F99A0000202F220073747802020E03080A040606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c8229d$c0e14de0$6401a8c0@default> >I can say that WNSH's signal has improved greatly on the south shore, just >as the radio-locator map indicates. I used to hear WPEP when they were on >the air, but now WNSH is stronger than they ever were.< Just curious, what station(s) does WNSH have to protect at night? In Northern New England we can pick up 1570AM out of Montreal both day and night....but they are lower power than they were as CKLM. In Mexico, XERF is (again) listed as 250KW....but non-directional. Is there anyone else needing protection at night on 1570? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Nov 9 02:25:39 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:25:39 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs In-Reply-To: <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <18228.2931.772861.223072@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who > mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the > market fairly well day and night. Not the part of the market I live in. In fact, none of the Boston 5-kWers make it here at night usefully. Neither do the 50-kWers, for that matter, with the obvious exception of WBZ. (My best in-market nighttime AM signals are 1200, 1060, 1030, and 830 in that order. 890 has bad, bad off-axis phasing -- hardly surprising given the pattern -- and the problems of 680 and 850 are well-known. For in-market NIF coverage area, 830 is probably third-best overall. WCRN's official 10.289 mV/m NIF is greatly overstated now that CFJR is gone; it should be no more than 6.386 including all remaining contributors.) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Nov 9 02:34:06 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:34:06 -0500 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <20071109073406.D10DB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Wasn't there a pirate in the Merrimack Valley area at 1570? "Alleged" calls of WKNM? (Note: checked the following site (low power stations) and it lists WKNM 1570 as being from Lowell, "Radio Comercial" but it says "off the air" http://members.aol.com/baconti/bostonLP.htm A search for the calls turned up a page as well listing shows produced by "Boston Catholic Radio" circa 2004, and it lists one show as airing on "WKNM 1570" as if it were a legit station. >> I could hear some station in the background fighting it out with them. (Whats the next nearest station I would pick up on 1570AM during the day? I don't have my database with me.) From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Nov 9 02:35:36 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:35:36 -0500 Subject: WNSH In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8229d$c0e14de0$6401a8c0@default> References: <110920070145.8239.4733BBAA0008F99A0000202F220073747802020E03080A040606@comcast.net> <00cc01c8229d$c0e14de0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <18228.3528.374384.453627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just curious, what station(s) does WNSH have to protect at night? You can look it up in the exhibit 14 of WNSH's most recent application. In short, the most severe limiting factor is WQEW (which, as a class-A, is protected from skywave interference to its groundwave service area from non-class-A stations). Laval is not a serious limiting factor (although it would be for a directional operation, and XERF does not come into it. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 9 09:03:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:03:02 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> <00cb01c8229d$82160470$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <000a01c822d9$480cb8a0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> Conceivably. When CKOC is operating per its license (I have no information that it fails to change patterns at sunset, but this is a common problem with Canadians, of which 1150 used to have many) CKOC allegedly interferes with WTTT (or whatever its calls were when you heard the interference), mostly in areas north of Boston. Some other nearby Canadians on 1150 were in Ottawa, the Gaspe region of QC, and St Johns NS. St Johns moved to 700 decades ago and recently moved to FM. Nevertheless, like nearly all now-dark Canadian AM allocations, 1150 in St Johns remains internationally notified and hence must be protected by US 1150s. However, as long as those allocations remain dark (presumably for eternity, though one never knows), they don't cause interference. When what was then WCOP moved to Lexington around 1940, US AMs were supposed to deliver 25 mV/m to the "central business district" of their CoL. That nebulous term was later redefined as the main Post Office. In Boston, I believe that's the South Postal Annex near South Station. Sometime in the 80s, I think, the requirement was relaxed to 5 mV/m by day over the entire CoL and, by night, the greater of 5 mV/m or the NIF contour over the residences of at least 80% of the population of the CoL. WCOP and its successors never met the 25 mV/m rule. The signal at the South Postal Annex is ~15 mV/m. WCOP received a waiver of this requirement. I believe, however, that WTTT does meet the current 5 mV/m/NIF requirement. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs > > > However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who > > mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the market > > fairly > > well day and night. > > Dan, > > The WTTT signal appears to be pretty reliable both day and night within rt > 128. > > However, in years past, when I spent more time listening in Downtown Boston, > I remember hearing some other station at night behind WTTT battling it out. > This was within the COL...all over Boston proper. > > Since WTTT was running a talk format, it was easy to hear during the pauses > some other station in the background. > > Could/would this be CKOC? > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Nov 9 09:29:18 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:29:18 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com><002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg><00cb01c8229d$82160470$6401a8c0@default> <000a01c822d9$480cb8a0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001201c822dc$e9958960$0200a8c0@Tanguray> With the recently reported passing of Otto Miller, has anyone heard the fates of his two brokered stations, WESX and WJDA? The attempted move of WESX to the WLYN tower with a requested change of COL to Saugus (including a waiver from COL coverage) doesn't seem to have taken place and WESX is sounding just as well as it always had (abiet audio deficiencies during some of the "feeds") I was told Marblehead withdrew it's request for funds during town meeting which would have been used to develop the Naugus Head space as a town park. As for recent discussion about it's coverage in relationship to WNSH, I actually observed the "unearthing" and repair of WESX's Ground system 6 months prior to the sale and can report that it has been returned to original specifications after it was discovered lightning and corrosion had opened up the leads to the copper base straps surving as the origin of the radials. Give the tower a paintjob and a lightbulb and it would be Scott could feature it on a cover. Roger WA1KAT From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 9 09:28:18 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:28:18 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com><002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> <18228.2931.772861.223072@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001401c822dc$cc2fe6e0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> I said MOST of the market for a reason. MetroWest is an obvious exception not just for 1150 but for ALL Boston AMs except WBZ. And as you noted, that means not just the lower-powered stations but also all of the local 50-kW Class B AMs. You will soon lose WKOX at night. As for WCRN, although CFJR is gone, it (like nearly all now-dark Canadian AMs) remains internationally notified. Although as long as it remains dark, it causes no interference to WCRN, no US AM 830 can apply for a recalculated NIF as long as the international notification remains on the books. As for 890, the phasing to which you referred should have been considerably ameliorated in many locations by the change in the night pattern that accompanied the nighttime power increase to 6 kW. You may live in or near the deep minimum at 14 degrees. I would expect bad phasing there. But there is now a minor lobe between about 12 degrees and 325 degrees. The phasing should be noticeably less in that narrow arc. Prior to the advent of the new night pattern, that area (pretty much due north of the Ashland site, which is just east of Route 126) was in an area of severely suppressed radiation. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:25 AM Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs > < said: > > > However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who > > mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the > > market fairly well day and night. > > Not the part of the market I live in. In fact, none of the Boston > 5-kWers make it here at night usefully. Neither do the 50-kWers, for > that matter, with the obvious exception of WBZ. (My best in-market > nighttime AM signals are 1200, 1060, 1030, and 830 in that order. 890 > has bad, bad off-axis phasing -- hardly surprising given the pattern > -- and the problems of 680 and 850 are well-known. For in-market NIF > coverage area, 830 is probably third-best overall. WCRN's official > 10.289 mV/m NIF is greatly overstated now that CFJR is gone; it should > be no more than 6.386 including all remaining contributors.) > > -GAWollman > From scott@fybush.com Fri Nov 9 09:49:07 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:49:07 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs In-Reply-To: <000a01c822d9$480cb8a0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> <00cb01c8229d$82160470$6401a8c0@default> <000a01c822d9$480cb8a0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <47347363.2070308@fybush.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Conceivably. When CKOC is operating per its license (I have no information > that it fails to change patterns at sunset, but this is a common problem > with Canadians, of which 1150 used to have many) CKOC allegedly interferes > with WTTT (or whatever its calls were when you heard the interference), > mostly in areas north of Boston. Some other nearby Canadians on 1150 were in > Ottawa, the Gaspe region of QC, and St Johns NS. St Johns moved to 700 > decades ago and recently moved to FM. Nevertheless, like nearly all now-dark > Canadian AM allocations, 1150 in St Johns remains internationally notified > and hence must be protected by US 1150s. However, as long as those > allocations remain dark (presumably for eternity, though one never knows), > they don't cause interference. If Dan's entitled to a bit of glee in catching me out in an error, the least I can do is to return a nitpick...the city in New Brunswick (not Nova Scotia!) is "Saint John," always spelled out in full and never with a possessive. The idea, though it obviously doesn't work so well south of the border, is to alleviate confusion with St. John's, Newfoundland, which is always abbreviated and which always does carry the possessive. Dan's basic points are, of course, solid: while WTTT has to protect the defunct Canadians, it's at least not receiving any real-world interference from them. As for CKOC, it sounds from here (100 miles or so away) as though it makes the switch at sunset. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 9 10:07:22 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:07:22 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com><002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg><00cb01c8229d$82160470$6401a8c0@default><000a01c822d9$480cb8a0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> <001201c822dc$e9958960$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <002601c822e2$46a79440$b1eca644@dstrassberg> II have my doubts about whether the FCC will OK a WESX move to the WLYN stick. Such a move would put the entire Nahant peninsula in an area of prohibited overlap of 25 mV/m contours between WESX and WMKI. The applicant's claim that this area should be disregarded because it is not within WMKI's contiguous service area seems bogus to me. >From what I've heard, Otto Miller's company (Principal Radio LLC--or something like that) has survived his death and has apparently not lost a step. I don't know the name of the new CEO, but I read somewhere that he is in place at the company. If I'm not mistaken, he is, as was Miller, an alumnus of Arthur Liu's Multicultural Radio Broadcasting Inc (WLYN and WAZN locally). Moreover, I believe that Principal (or is it Principle?) recently closed on its $14M acquisition of a HUGE suburban New York signal, WLIE 540 Islip LI, which the company had been LMAing for its brokered Spanish religious format. Four or five years ago, shortly after WLIE increased to 2500W days, I picked it up clearly on the New York Thruway's Mass Turnpike Connector east of Albany--well over 100 miles north of Islip. The station was also near-local on the Jersey Turnpike just outside of Trenton NJ. I've also picked up WLIE weakly, while parked near Marlborough. Phenomenal daytime signal AND WLIE holds a CP for a further daytime power increase to 4500W. That would require moving a tower and returning to Class D status. Not sure it's a great idea. As for WNSH, if WESX is staying put in Marblehead, WNSH should move to the WESX site. Equal coverage with a 75% reduction in the power bill. Of course, there would be a rental fee for use of the tower, so maybe the 75% reduction overstates the savings. It should not be a big deal to skirt the top of the WESX tower to electrically shorten it to ~190 degrees at 1570 (WESX, though nominally 1 kW, actually runs only about 600W, so it could increase its power to compensate for the modest loss in efficiency.) The result would be that WNSH, running less than 7500W could equal the coverage it gets from 30-kW at Endicott College and might be able to significantly increase its night power--maybe to something close to the 227W that WPEP used to run. With the huge increase in antenna efficiency, the increase in night coverage ought to be be quite noticeable. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs > With the recently reported passing of Otto Miller, has anyone heard the > fates of his two brokered stations, WESX and WJDA? > > The attempted move of WESX to the WLYN tower with a requested change of COL > to Saugus (including a waiver from COL coverage) doesn't seem to have taken > place and WESX is sounding just as well as it always had (abiet audio > deficiencies during some of the "feeds") > > I was told Marblehead withdrew it's request for funds during town meeting > which would have been used to develop the Naugus Head space as a town park. > > As for recent discussion about it's coverage in relationship to WNSH, I > actually observed the "unearthing" and repair of WESX's Ground system 6 > months prior to the sale and can report that it has been returned to > original specifications after it was discovered lightning and corrosion had > opened up the leads to the copper base straps surving as the origin of the > radials. > > Give the tower a paintjob and a lightbulb and it would be Scott could > feature it on a cover. > > Roger > WA1KAT > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Nov 9 11:41:30 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:41:30 -0500 Subject: WCRN In-Reply-To: <001401c822dc$cc2fe6e0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com> <002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg> <18228.2931.772861.223072@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <001401c822dc$cc2fe6e0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <18228.36282.975413.12411@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > notified. Although as long as it remains dark, it causes no interference to > WCRN, no US AM 830 can apply for a recalculated NIF as long as the > international notification remains on the books. Is WCRN actually better off with CFJR gone but still officially notified than it would be with CFJR off the books? -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 9 12:00:18 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:00:18 -0500 Subject: WCRN References: <20071108165046.0FC7783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><4733918A.12988.3E4037@joe.attorneyross.com><002d01c82298$b5ac4b00$46eca644@dstrassberg><18228.2931.772861.223072@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><001401c822dc$cc2fe6e0$b1eca644@dstrassberg> <18228.36282.975413.12411@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002701c822f2$091bb560$39ada742@dstrassberg> As I see it, the advantage that WCRN would derive from recalculation, if it were permitted in this case, is that it would prevent upgrades by other stations from increasing WCRN's NIF to more than the lower figure that you calculated. Suppose WNYC wanted a night power increase. (I'm sure they want one but that's another thread.) Because first-adjacents now figure into NIF calculations, a meaningful increase might not be possible with the lower NIF but might be possiible with the 10.289 mV/m NIF. Obviously, the absence of CFJR benefits WCRN (and probably WEEU). But the inability to make the benefit official reduces the value of the benefit--especially if the owner wanted to "monetize" the benefit by selling the station. Ed note: I have absolutely no indication that the Carberry's have any interest in selling WCRN. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: WCRN > < said: > > > notified. Although as long as it remains dark, it causes no interference to > > WCRN, no US AM 830 can apply for a recalculated NIF as long as the > > international notification remains on the books. > > Is WCRN actually better off with CFJR gone but still officially > notified than it would be with CFJR off the books? > > -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 9 13:26:57 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:26:57 -0500 Subject: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs Message-ID: <20071109182657.BF03B1CE5EE@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: "Dan Strassberg" , "A. Joseph Ross" , "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: More Boston-area brokered-time AMs >Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:52:59 -0500 > However, despite having a signal that is much maligned by people who > mostly don't know what they are talking about, WTTT covers the market fairly > well day and night. >Dan, >The WTTT signal appears to be pretty reliable both day and night >within rt 128. >However, in years past, when I spent more time listening in >Downtown Boston, I remember hearing some other station at night >behind WTTT battling it out. This was within the COL...all over >Boston proper. >Since WTTT was running a talk format, it was easy to hear during the pauses some other station in the background. >Could/would this be CKOC? On those occasions when I've been driving in Boston's downtown area with my radio tuned to 1150 AM, I've gotten equal doses of WTTT and WBZ! (Time to get a better radio?) One other source of 1150 interference I've noticed outside of Boston proper is WRUN-AM, rebroadcasting Albany's WAMC-FM. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 03:20:53 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:20:53 -0500 Subject: WMEX Collectors item..... Message-ID: <025501c8243c$58aed670$6401a8c0@default> This was on the radio-info board....if anyone's interested... Title: WMEX Collectors item.... Post on November 11, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is something on Ebay that radio buffs and Bostonians might be interested in. There was a time when Top 40 and oldies radio station would put together a compilation collectors LP. WMEX are legendary call letters in New England and elsewhere for the station that brought rock and roll to Boston. This collectors item is called: "the WMEX radio "Cruisin' Collection" Oldies Compilation LP" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330186083730&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=014 (A long URL...you might have to cut/paste if it doesn't click thru...or enter the Item # below.) Item number: 330186083730 There is a greeting on the back from the WMEX program director. The disk is in great condition. There are some great jingles included on the album as well. Take a look...or pass it along to someone you think might be interested. From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Nov 11 07:36:24 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:36:24 -0500 Subject: WMEX Collectors item..... In-Reply-To: <025501c8243c$58aed670$6401a8c0@default> References: <025501c8243c$58aed670$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <20071111123621.411615643DD@mail3.wildblue.net> At 03:20 AM 11/11/2007, Don A wrote: >This was on the radio-info board....if anyone's interested... > > >This collectors item is called: > >"the WMEX radio "Cruisin' Collection" Oldies Compilation LP" I have this album. This was not from the original WMEX, but from the short-lived 1150 reincarnation, circa 1985. From radiotest@cox.net Sun Nov 11 08:28:50 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:28:50 -0500 Subject: WMEX Collectors item..... In-Reply-To: <20071111123621.411615643DD@mail3.wildblue.net> References: <025501c8243c$58aed670$6401a8c0@default> <20071111123621.411615643DD@mail3.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071111081208.026c8c50@cox.net> At 07:36 AM 11/11/2007, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I have this album. This was not from the original WMEX, but from >the short-lived 1150 reincarnation, circa 1985. There was also a set of Cruisin' albums released in the early '70s, from which this appears to have ripped off its title. These were not released by the stations, but by Increase Records (LPs distributed by Chess). There was one for each year from 1955 to 1970 and each recreated the sound of one Top 40 station in that year. Each had music of that year along with a top DJ, complete with the jingles, spots and other elements heard on his station in that year. The albums were newly created in the studio (not air checks) but included original elements such as tapes of original spots. See: http://leemichaelwithers.tripod.com/cruisin.htm Cruisin' 1961 starred Arnie Ginsburg, who showed up at the recording studio with a suitcase full of the noisemakers that he still had, and that he had used on Night Train. One of the highlights was Arnie's Adventure Car Hop spot. I highly recommend this disk for WMEX fans. The Cruisin' LPs were re-issued on CD in the '90s. The album on eBay is not the Cruisin' 1961 LP, but is, as Steve noted, from the later incarnation of the station. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Nov 12 12:50:53 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:50:53 -0500 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <8C9F36BB44DD75B-6A0-1675@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> I was at a get-together in Yarmouth on the Cape last Saturday and noted WNSH-1570 with an absolutely huge signal, much stronger than any other metro-Boston station above 1030 kHz, even 50 kW WWZN. I think that only 590, 680, 950, and 1030 were stronger. 1360 was the only higher end of the dial station in a somewhat-similar signal class, not including Cape / nominal Cape stations 1170, 1240, and 1390. 1230's fairly strong too, but messed up by 1240 IBOC. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA Dan Strassberg wrote: I am dumbfounded. I knew that the new signal would not be a world-beater, but even with what I learned from your application about the low antenna efficiency, I am truly surprised at how awful the signal is! (I live in Arlington, near the Lexington line, just north of Route 2. I have a few decent AM radios including a Super Radio III. Based on loudness and background noise, I judge WNSH's signal here to be in the neighborhood of 1.5 mV/m.) The signal sounds roughly equivalent to WESX's 600 or so watts. (WESX's power is nominally 1 kW, but it is throttled back because of the very efficient half-wave antenna.) ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Nov 12 13:41:20 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:41:20 -0500 Subject: WNSH Message-ID: <20071112184121.0B69C83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I thought I was picking up WNSH on Rt 2 heading west, just west of I-495...on a car stereo (can do well on AM with whip antenna) From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 12 15:29:26 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:29:26 -0500 Subject: WNSH References: <8C9F36BB44DD75B-6A0-1675@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c8256a$bda30e00$d0ada742@satpro4600> Well, there's nothing but salt water from the water's edge in Beverly or Peabody to the water's edge nearest your QTH on Cape Cod. So all but maybe 0.1 miles of the 60+-mile distance is salt water. Let's assume for the moment that I am right and that the inverse-distance field is 1080 mV/m @ 1 km (well below the Class D minimum of 1543). At 100 km, the field strength would be close to 11 mV/m. None of the other stations you listed would be quite in that class. 950 should be next at close to 7 mV/m and 1360 would probably be third at around 3.34. If WNSH's application is correct and the efficiency is greater than the Class D minimum, you can increase the number for WNSH by almost 50%--to over 16 mV/m. When WNSH's application was for 50 kW directional, a friend of mine, who thought it was going to be directional to the east (it really was not; it was to be directional to the north), joked that WNSH was going to have the stongest signal in Bermuda of any US mainland AM. Despite the power reduction to 30 kW, I suspect that the joke may be even more true now than it was when the power was to be higher. Nevertheless, coverage of Cape Cod wasn't supposed to be the idea. Still, neither was coverage of Arlington. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: WNSH > I was at a get-together in Yarmouth on the Cape last Saturday and noted > WNSH-1570 with an absolutely huge signal, much stronger than any other > metro-Boston station above 1030 kHz, even 50 kW WWZN. I think that > only 590, 680, 950, and 1030 were stronger. 1360 was the only higher > end of the dial station in a somewhat-similar signal class, not > including Cape / nominal Cape stations 1170, 1240, and 1390. 1230's > fairly strong too, but messed up by 1240 IBOC. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > Dan Strassberg wrote: > I am dumbfounded. I knew that the new signal would not be a > world-beater, but > even with what I learned from your application about the low antenna > efficiency, > I am truly surprised at how awful the signal is! (I live in Arlington, > near the > Lexington line, just north of Route 2. I have a few decent AM radios > including a > Super Radio III. Based on loudness and background noise, I judge WNSH's > signal > here to be in the neighborhood of 1.5 mV/m.) The signal sounds roughly > equivalent to WESX's 600 or so watts. (WESX's power is nominally 1 kW, > but it is > throttled back because of the very efficient half-wave antenna.) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com From markwats@comcast.net Mon Nov 12 16:48:32 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:48:32 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> This morning, just before 10 o'clock, I tuned in to WODS to find that they apparently made the flip to all Christmas music sometime this AM. I then tuned in WROR to find that they too have gone the all Christmas music route as of today. 2 all Christmas stations, no waiting. Mark Watson From paul@derrynh.net Mon Nov 12 19:05:23 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:05:23 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> GROAN..... IS there a law that oldies formats must go xmas 10 days BEFORE thanksgiving? (BTW: DO they break the XMAS format at ODS for Barry Scott's show during this period?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:49 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas This morning, just before 10 o'clock, I tuned in to WODS to find that they apparently made the flip to all Christmas music sometime this AM. I then tuned in WROR to find that they too have gone the all Christmas music route as of today. 2 all Christmas stations, no waiting. Mark Watson From lspin@comcast.net Mon Nov 12 21:59:36 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:59:36 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> I am amazed that WROR has followed WODS with the early switch. This is so very lame. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten GROAN..... IS there a law that oldies formats must go xmas 10 days BEFORE thanksgiving? (BTW: DO they break the XMAS format at ODS for Barry Scott's show during this period?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Nov 12 22:28:05 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:28:05 -0500 Subject: WNSH In-Reply-To: <001001c8256a$bda30e00$d0ada742@satpro4600> References: <8C9F36BB44DD75B-6A0-1675@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> <001001c8256a$bda30e00$d0ada742@satpro4600> Message-ID: <8C9F3BC5689FF0F-EB4-39C0@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Dan's pretty much right about the route from Beverly to Yarmouth via Mass. Bay / Cape Cod Bay being pretty much an "RF bowling alley". Even the Maine stations sound more "local" than most signals originating from the southwestern or western suburbs of Boston (650, 850, 890, 1060, 1120, 1150, 1200, 1330, 1510, 1550, 1600). Where I was listening was *somewhat* inland (nearer Route 6 than 6A) so 1570's signal was maybe a bit less accentuated in competition with 590 and 680 than it would be right at the shore. Speaking of US daytime AM signals getting to Bermuda, the NYC 50 kW's are biggest I'm fairly sure. Watt for watt, the Atlantic City / Pleasantville / Wildwood, NJ kilowatt jobs do remarkably well according to Charlie Taylor who was stationed at a US Navy facility there about 25 years ago. Norfolk / Newport News / Va. Beach area does very well too. Bermuda's 1160 could be heard on the south side of the Cape (e.g. West Dennis Beach) before the channel got piled on by two NJ stations and Maine. But that's only half as far as WOKV-690 Jacksonville and R.V.C. Turks & Caicos 530 which can also be heard all day in W. Dennis on good equipment. As some on this list know, I do a fair amount of DX listening from the car at Granite Pier in Rockport, MA. Having a "block of rock" (Cape Ann) towards domestic stations you want to reduce and open seawater towards foreign ones you want to enhance is an extremely effective tool, especially when augmented by a directional antenna system (car-top cardioid array = loop phased against whip, like an aircraft RDF set-up). See "http://home.comcast.net/~dx_lab/dx_2007-10.htm" for some sample receptions made last month. As far as what to do with WNSH, moving the transmitter to WESX's tower would certainly give it some bang over more land area. Even the old WMLO site (Endicott St. in Danvers, not far from a marsh) would have been better. Does siting a "North Shore station" on the South Shore (at/near 1030's or 1300's site) and having it shoot NE actually make more sense ? Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Well, there's nothing but salt water from the water's edge in Beverly or Peabody to the water's edge nearest your QTH on Cape Cod. So all but maybe 0.1 miles of the 60+-mile distance is salt water. Let's assume for the moment that I am right and that the inverse-distance field is 1080 mV/m @ 1 km (well below the Class D minimum of 1543). At 100 km, the field strength would be close to 11 mV/m. None of the other stations you listed would be quite in that class. 950 should be next at close to 7 mV/m and 1360 would probably be third at around 3.34. If WNSH's application is correct and the efficiency is greater than the Class D minimum, you can increase the number for WNSH by almost 50%--to over 16 mV/m. When WNSH's application was for 50 kW directional, a friend of mine, who thought it was going to be directional to the east (it really was not; it was to be directional to the north), joked that WNSH was going to have the stongest signal in Bermuda of any US mainland AM. Despite the power reduction to 30 kW, I suspect that the joke may be even more true now than it was when the power was to be higher. Nevertheless, coverage of Cape Cod wasn't supposed to be the idea. Still, neither was coverage of Arlington. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 12 23:10:42 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:10:42 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity Message-ID: <4738DD72.26364.597BC5A@joe.attorneyross.com> Saturday evening, while driving home from Greenfield, I tuned the car radio to WDRC-FM in Hartford, 102.9. What I heard was something that repeatedly called itself "Hot Country 104.9." I wonder what was going on. Unfortunately, I lost the signal before the 10:00 PM legal ID. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Nov 12 23:18:46 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:18:46 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <4738DD72.26364.597BC5A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <046001c825ac$49be4cb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Saturday evening, while driving home from Greenfield, I tuned the car > radio to WDRC-FM in Hartford, 102.9. What I heard was something that > repeatedly called itself "Hot Country 104.9." I wonder what was > going on. Unfortunately, I lost the signal before the 10:00 PM legal You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator for 104.9 WYRY Hinsdale, NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the place these days. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 12 23:23:18 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:23:18 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <046001c825ac$49be4cb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <4738DD72.26364.597BC5A@joe.attorneyross.com>, <046001c825ac$49be4cb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <4738E066.31066.5A3450D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Nov 2007 at 23:18, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator for 104.9 WYRY > Hinsdale, NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the place these > days. Well, that explains it. I thought the signal was a bit strong for WDRC-FM that far north. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 23:54:10 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:54:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <046001c825ac$49be4cb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <200184.87786.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator > for 104.9 WYRY Hinsdale, > NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the > place these days. Not just all over the place... But in differing bands. We just put our visitor info radio AM station on a translator. Why the commision would allow sucha thing is beyond me, but I'm not complaining!! +++++ Are you looking for a DJ for your bar/club, event, or wedding? 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Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From rogerkola@aol.com Tue Nov 13 07:51:37 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:51:37 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity References: <046001c825ac$49be4cb0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <006e01c825f3$ee90b240$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Might it be that translators preclude the use of the frequencies for commercially "unpopular" LPFM stations resulting in a lack of available frequencies and less decision making? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:18 PM Subject: RE: WDRC-FM oddity > > Saturday evening, while driving home from Greenfield, I tuned the car > > radio to WDRC-FM in Hartford, 102.9. What I heard was something that > > repeatedly called itself "Hot Country 104.9." I wonder what was > > going on. Unfortunately, I lost the signal before the 10:00 PM legal > > You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator for 104.9 WYRY Hinsdale, > NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the place these days. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 13 07:54:12 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:54:12 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> Message-ID: <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> Lou wrote: > I am amazed that WROR has followed WODS with the early switch. > This is so very lame. > -Lou > It speaks more to relevance, or lack thereof, of what's left of big-league radio. Once HD penetrates the market (or what's left of it) one can hope that whimsy-niche jive would be relegated to second or third channels. Bill O'Neill From francini@mac.com Tue Nov 13 08:46:36 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:46:36 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can I ask a (perhaps) dumb question here? If flipping to Christmas music is so unpopular, why do stations do it? In other words, what happens to the ratings of stations like WODS and WROR in the Boston Arbitrons during the "holiday drive" book period? Do they go up? Down? Stay the same? My guess is that they wouldn't do this unless it gives them an edge, income-wise, or is, at least, revenue-neutral. Thoughts? john From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 13 09:05:15 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:05:15 -0700 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: >>If flipping to Christmas music is so unpopular, why do stations do it? In other words, what happens to the ratings of stations like WODS and WROR in the Boston Arbitrons during the "holiday drive" book period? Do they go up? Down? Stay the same? My guess is that they wouldn't do this unless it gives them an edge, income-wise, or is, at least, revenue-neutral.<< A fair appraisal of the Arbitron numbers through last holiday season shows that numbers in the Fall book (which includes most of the holiday season) went up substantially for WODS. I don't have breakouts for individual weeks or months, but the 12+ shares went from a 4.1 in Summer to a 5.6 in Fall to a 4.7 in Winter. Make of that what you will. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 13:07:19 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:07:19 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark><007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036><001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> > Can I ask a (perhaps) dumb question here? > If flipping to Christmas music is so unpopular, why do stations do it?<< Funny, I understand the reason for your question....after reading all of the various message boards, you would think this is the stupidest idea ever! It is unpopular among radio geeks, like us. (Who are mostly male and do too much radio listening.) ;-) However, among the general population, while it does turn some listeners away, it more than makes up for that in the number of people it attracts. > In other words, what happens to the ratings of stations like WODS and > WROR in the Boston Arbitrons during the "holiday drive" book period? Typically WODS's Christmas music numbers are "through the roof"! And that one month in December lingers into the ratings that are delivered January (Fall book), February (PH I Wtr Book) and March (PH II Wtr Book)...as these rating results still carry along the results from December listeners. > My guess is that they wouldn't do this unless it gives them an edge, > income-wise, or is, at least, revenue-neutral. What I don't understand is how do the agencies in Boston (and nationally) deal with this? Surely they are savvy enough to know that this is a one-month phenomenon, aren't they? ...and that 6 months later WODS will be back into it's typical ratings slump? From mike@miscon.net Tue Nov 13 13:51:25 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:51:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.120.1194979885.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> > If flipping to Christmas music is so unpopular, why do stations do it? > > Thoughts? > > john?? Perhaps it's less of a *ratings* thing, as it is a *revenue* thing...? After all... Christmas is something to take advantage of!?A red and green bandwagon to jump on!?A sentimental shot in the arm for sales!? (Thanks to?Stan Freberg) Mike From lglavin@mail.com Tue Nov 13 13:46:06 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:46:06 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity Message-ID: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" , boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: RE: WDRC-FM oddity >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:18:46 -0500 > Saturday evening, while driving home from Greenfield, I tuned the car > radio to WDRC-FM in Hartford, 102.9. What I heard was something that > repeatedly called itself "Hot Country 104.9." I wonder what was > going on. Unfortunately, I lost the signal before the 10:00 PM legal >You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator for 104.9 WYRY Hinsdale, >NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the place these days. >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA A recent entry among the FCC applications on the Daily Digest was for a translator on 96.7 megahertz, W244CF COL Plymouth, MA. That's one dial position down from WTKK-FM, Boston. It will operate with 10 watts with a directional antenna just east of route 3 on the Plymouth/Sagamore line. Now the FCC directional data indicates that only one radial, zero degrees, which is due north, will get the full output, 1.000, every other point is a fraction of that. But the contour map shows the major lobe pointed toward the northeast. In any event, many people headed to the Cape tuned to WTKK may find themselves listening to a bible-thumping preacher for hire! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 13 14:20:50 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:20:50 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4739F912.3050609@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > A recent entry among the FCC applications on the Daily Digest was for a translator > on 96.7 megahertz, W244CF COL Plymouth, MA. That's one dial position down from > WTKK-FM, Boston. It will operate with 10 watts with a directional antenna just east > of route 3 on the Plymouth/Sagamore line. Now the FCC directional data indicates > that only one radial, zero degrees, which is due north, will get the full output, > 1.000, every other point is a fraction of that. But the contour map shows the major > lobe pointed toward the northeast. In any event, many people headed to the Cape tuned > to WTKK may find themselves listening to a bible-thumping preacher for hire! The key here is in the "notes" field of the W244CF record: "Pattern and Field Values Include a 60.0? Clockwise Rotation" With that figured in, there's a deep null (0.138 of the 10-watt ERP) at 310 degrees, right up toward WTKK. Here's the catch with tight drop-in translators like this: they may work on paper, but they're bound by that pesky clause in the translator rules that says a translator can't cause interference to "actual reception" of a full-power station, without regard to that station's protected contour. Greater Media knows exactly how that rule works...they managed to get a 97.5 translator in Hazleton PA shut down a few months back because it was interfering with fringe reception of their own WJJZ 97.5 Burlington NJ, about 80 miles away. All they need is one regular WTTK listener in Plymouth to register a complaint about W244CF, when and if it begins operation, and they can go to work. s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 13 14:29:06 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:29:06 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: <20071113192906.E239E49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> One newspaper article (in today's Herald, I think) said that WODS switched earlier than expected because they were getting phone calls urging them to do it from people who couldn't wait. The owners! The sales managers! The investors! The advertisers! They all wanted them to switch, and now! :) And yes, maybe some listeners. And Mr. Freberg was indeed right: Chri$tma$ has 2 S's in it and they're both dollar signs! From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Nov 13 15:04:12 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:04:12 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <4739F912.3050609@fybush.com> References: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4739F912.3050609@fybush.com> Message-ID: Gee, can I do that with W235AV in Tatnuck? It comes in rough here in the 'Boros, but enough to block my reception of WHOM, which I used to tune into on occasion. It makes no sense to have it on anyway, since the primary signal of WJMN at 94.5 serves most of the area just fine. Do you have to live in the translator's COL to file a complaint? -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Laurence Glavin wrote: > >> A recent entry among the FCC applications on the Daily Digest was for >> a translator on 96.7 megahertz, W244CF COL Plymouth, MA. That's one >> dial position down from >> WTKK-FM, Boston. It will operate with 10 watts with a directional >> antenna just east of route 3 on the Plymouth/Sagamore line. Now the >> FCC directional data indicates that only one radial, zero degrees, >> which is due north, will get the full output, >> 1.000, every other point is a fraction of that. But the contour map >> shows the major >> lobe pointed toward the northeast. In any event, many people headed >> to the Cape tuned to WTKK may find themselves listening to a >> bible-thumping preacher for hire! > > The key here is in the "notes" field of the W244CF record: > > "Pattern and Field Values Include a 60.0? Clockwise Rotation" > > With that figured in, there's a deep null (0.138 of the 10-watt ERP) > at 310 degrees, right up toward WTKK. > > Here's the catch with tight drop-in translators like this: they may > work on paper, but they're bound by that pesky clause in the > translator rules that says a translator can't cause interference to > "actual reception" of a full-power station, without regard to that > station's protected contour. > > Greater Media knows exactly how that rule works...they managed to get > a 97.5 translator in Hazleton PA shut down a few months back because > it was interfering with fringe reception of their own WJJZ 97.5 > Burlington NJ, about 80 miles away. All they need is one regular WTTK > listener in Plymouth to register a complaint about W244CF, when and if > it begins operation, and they can go to work. > > s > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Nov 13 15:11:30 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:11:30 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <20071113192906.E239E49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071113192906.E239E49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Yeah, right. Oldies 103.3 probably got wind that one of the GM stations were going to flip soon (most likely from a sales hack--that's where you normally get these tip-offs) and they put it on to be "first." WROR jumped in one hour later, probably when the GM or SM on the drive into work heard WODS make the flip. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that's how it came down. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > One newspaper article (in today's Herald, I think) said that WODS > switched earlier than > expected because they were getting phone calls urging them to do it > from people who > couldn't wait. > > The owners! The sales managers! The investors! The advertisers! They > all wanted them to switch, and now! :) > And yes, maybe some listeners. And Mr. Freberg was indeed right: > Chri$tma$ has 2 S's > in it and they're both dollar signs! From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 13 15:15:16 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:15:16 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: References: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4739F912.3050609@fybush.com> Message-ID: <473A05D4.80102@fybush.com> David Tomm wrote: > Gee, can I do that with W235AV in Tatnuck? It comes in rough here in > the 'Boros, but enough to block my reception of WHOM, which I used to > tune into on occasion. It makes no sense to have it on anyway, since > the primary signal of WJMN at 94.5 serves most of the area just fine. > Do you have to live in the translator's COL to file a complaint? Nope...but here's the trick: the FCC is much more willing to listen to complaints when they come from the broadcaster who's being interfered with, rather than the listener who's suffering the interference. So the place to start, in this case, would be with Citadel and WHOM. s From francini@mac.com Tue Nov 13 13:16:11 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:16:11 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: Okay, so it's obviously a ratings boom for the stations that do it. I have no problem at all with a station going to all-Christmas music. However, I wish they'd wait until 00:00 on the Friday morning after Thanksgiving. Then go full blast. Otherwise, it makes it seem to me that Thanksgiving is a mere 'speed bump' on the way to Christmas. john On 13 Nov 2007, at 13:07, Don A wrote: > >> Can I ask a (perhaps) dumb question here? >> If flipping to Christmas music is so unpopular, why do stations do >> it?<< > > Funny, I understand the reason for your question....after reading > all of the various message boards, you would think this is the > stupidest idea ever! > > It is unpopular among radio geeks, like us. (Who are mostly male > and do too much radio listening.) ;-) > > However, among the general population, while it does turn some > listeners away, it more than makes up for that in the number of > people it attracts. > >> In other words, what happens to the ratings of stations like WODS >> and WROR in the Boston Arbitrons during the "holiday drive" book >> period? > > Typically WODS's Christmas music numbers are "through the roof"! > > And that one month in December lingers into the ratings that are > delivered January (Fall book), February (PH I Wtr Book) and March > (PH II Wtr Book)...as these rating results still carry along the > results from December listeners. > >> My guess is that they wouldn't do this unless it gives them an >> edge, income-wise, or is, at least, revenue-neutral. > > What I don't understand is how do the agencies in Boston (and > nationally) deal with this? > > Surely they are savvy enough to know that this is a one-month > phenomenon, aren't they? > > ...and that 6 months later WODS will be back into it's typical > ratings slump? > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Nov 13 17:29:27 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:29:27 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <473A2547.7010805@ttlc.net> John Francini wrote: > I have no problem at all with a station going to all-Christmas > music. > However, I wish they'd wait until 00:00 on the Friday morning after > Thanksgiving. It would appear that Friday morning after Thanksgiving (a.k.a. Black Friday) as a Christmas Sales delimiter is tres passe. (a little french lingo for Monsieur Glavin) Wal-Mart held their "Black Friday" a couple of weeks ago. As reported on WBZ Newsradio 1030 in a MarketWatch report (at :08 & :38) My mother-in-law got caught in it and had no idea why the parking lot was jammed and the store was overflowing. She's 87 and doesn't listen to the radio. From francini@mac.com Tue Nov 13 17:45:26 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:45:26 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <473A2547.7010805@ttlc.net> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> <473A2547.7010805@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <2C2FC0CF-A442-45D2-AE34-9C486CF9CE86@mac.com> That would explain why the south Nashua shopping area on Daniel Webster Highway (a huge shopping district with a major mall and nearly every major Big-Box Store(tm) in existence) was clogged with cars on Saturday and Sunday. It was like the week before Christmas. Ye frigging ghods. j On 13 Nov 2007, at 17:29, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > John Francini wrote: >> I have no problem at all with a station going to all- >> Christmas music. >> However, I wish they'd wait until 00:00 on the Friday morning >> after Thanksgiving. > It would appear that Friday morning after Thanksgiving (a.k.a. > Black Friday) as a Christmas Sales delimiter is tres passe. (a > little french lingo for Monsieur Glavin) > > Wal-Mart held their "Black Friday" a couple of weeks ago. As > reported on WBZ Newsradio 1030 in a MarketWatch report (at :08 & : > 38) My mother-in-law got caught in it and had no idea why the > parking lot was jammed and the store was overflowing. She's 87 and > doesn't listen to the radio. > > > > From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Nov 13 17:55:37 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:55:37 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.120.1194979885.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <.132.185.144.120.1194979885.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <20071113225534.3BA184A3A5E@mail2.wildblue.net> mike@miscon.net wrote: >After all... Christmas is >something to take advantage of! A red and green bandwagon to jump >on! A sentimental shot in the arm for sales! > >(Thanks >to Stan Freberg) An observation that was made over 50 years ago. Some things never change. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 13 13:56:38 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:56:38 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark><007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036><001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <4739F366.5080805@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > Surely they are savvy enough to know that this is a one-month > phenomenon, aren't they? > > ...and that 6 months later WODS will be back into it's typical ratings > slump? Sounds like it's 'make hay when the sun shines'. Bill O'Neill / / From paul@derrynh.net Tue Nov 13 19:13:22 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:13:22 -0500 Subject: WDRC-FM oddity In-Reply-To: <20071113184606.1A75216427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004501c82653$2b510450$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Some of the TX are completely unneeded IMHO.. WMLL (96.5FM Bedford NH) has a TX at 94.1 for the West Side of Manchester, but I frankly don't find anywhere in the 94.1 area that the 96.5 signal is deteriorated. If the TX wasn't there, WFTN-FM (94.1 FM Franklin NH) would be listenable in all of Manchester, as interference from WHJY (Providence RI) doesn't begin until just south of Manchester. I could even argue their 103.1 TX in Concord is in a coverage area that 96.5 basically blankets, but that TX is somewhat more logical (and once 102.3 flips to //WEEI, may actually show some ratings) Even WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough NH) has gotten into the TX game with a new 107.1 TX in Concord. Concord NH is now home to THREE TXs (104.3 TX for 91.1 IN THE SAME COL; 103.1 for 96.5 and 107.1 for 107.7) Concord, not only NH's State Capital, but now NH's TX Capital! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:46 PM To: Jeff Lehmann; 'A. Joseph Ross'; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: WDRC-FM oddity >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" , boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: RE: WDRC-FM oddity >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:18:46 -0500 > Saturday evening, while driving home from Greenfield, I tuned the car > radio to WDRC-FM in Hartford, 102.9. What I heard was something that > repeatedly called itself "Hot Country 104.9." I wonder what was > going on. Unfortunately, I lost the signal before the 10:00 PM legal >You were hearing W275AS in Greenfield, a translator for 104.9 WYRY Hinsdale, >NH. The FCC is allowing translators all over the place these days. >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA A recent entry among the FCC applications on the Daily Digest was for a translator on 96.7 megahertz, W244CF COL Plymouth, MA. That's one dial position down from WTKK-FM, Boston. It will operate with 10 watts with a directional antenna just east of route 3 on the Plymouth/Sagamore line. Now the FCC directional data indicates that only one radial, zero degrees, which is due north, will get the full output, 1.000, every other point is a fraction of that. But the contour map shows the major lobe pointed toward the northeast. In any event, many people headed to the Cape tuned to WTKK may find themselves listening to a bible-thumping preacher for hire! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From lspin@comcast.net Tue Nov 13 22:55:16 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:55:16 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark> <007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <001e01c82672$2ae3f990$80abecb0$@net> Well, maybe all the Christmas music will turn into a Holiday Gift for WBOQ. People might begin to scan the dial in search for their fix of oldies and find 104.9. Nahhhh... Never Mind. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Francini Okay, so it's obviously a ratings boom for the stations that do it. I have no problem at all with a station going to all-Christmas music. However, I wish they'd wait until 00:00 on the Friday morning after Thanksgiving. Then go full blast. Otherwise, it makes it seem to me that Thanksgiving is a mere 'speed bump' on the way to Christmas. john From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Nov 13 20:22:44 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:22:44 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <4739F366.5080805@gmail.com> References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark><007e01c82588$e3da8cb0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036><001801c825a1$3ac12d00$b0438700$@net> <47399E74.9000601@gmail.com> <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default> <4739F366.5080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's no worse than what radio stations in heavily touristy areas do to survive. Ask any broadcaster on the Cape or the East End of Long Island. They make their money from Memorial Day to Labor Day. After that, it's bare bones the rest of the year. Hopefully during the busy season you bring in enough bucks to pay the bills throughout the year, plus make a profit. I have a lot of respect for those who do radio in areas like that. There's little room for failure. WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something completely different, then so be it. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Don A wrote: >> Surely they are savvy enough to know that this is a one-month >> phenomenon, aren't they? >> >> ...and that 6 months later WODS will be back into it's typical >> ratings slump? > > Sounds like it's 'make hay when the sun shines'. > Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 14 00:19:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:19:05 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <001301c82575$c6716260$738d764c@Mark>, <009001c82620$0b123250$6401a8c0@default>, Message-ID: <473A3EF9.23321.3E512F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Nov 2007 at 13:16, John Francini wrote: > Okay, so it's obviously a ratings boom for the stations that do it. > I have no problem at all with a station going to all-Christmas music. > > However, I wish they'd wait until 00:00 on the Friday morning after > Thanksgiving. Then go full blast. Otherwise, it makes it seem to me > that Thanksgiving is a mere 'speed bump' on the way to Christmas. This is an old complaint. Especially old is the complaint that the Christmas season is getting earlier and earlier. This really isn't so. I remember being in a department store with my father back in the mid-1950s, a week or so before Halloween, and being surprised to see Christmas decorations. If the season really did start earlier and earlier, it would be year-round by now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Nov 14 12:46:06 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:46:06 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, and other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's first 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be next on the chopping block as time marches on. All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the chance that they (or any other station in Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left behind ? Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' Choice, Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver the goods in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the population being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it seems that the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody matter. Or that we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading as "oldies" when a lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic folk or entirely other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... during that decade of dubious musical value. Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something completely different, then so be it. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Nov 14 13:30:46 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:30:46 -0500 Subject: What's an Oldie? (Was: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas) References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c826ec$7a891280$0201a8c0@Family> Mark pondered - > WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my opinion. > They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, and other '70s > lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's first 10 years ('54 > to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC > doo-wop, or for that matter even pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The > Beatles will probably be next on the chopping block as time marches on. > > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its > little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas Song" > by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the chance > that they (or any other station in Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", > "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left > behind ? > > Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' Choice, > Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver the goods in > REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the population being 55+ > (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it seems that the powers that > be have decided that we don't bloody matter. Or that we can be placated > by '70s pop pablum masquerading as "oldies" when a lot of us were > listening to hard rock or Celtic folk or entirely other things ... maybe > even the real oldies ... during that decade of dubious musical value. > > Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > > when the Oldies format first kicked-off in the early 80's, an oldie was considered anything 10-25 years old. "nothing newer than 1974" was the benchmark by which oldies were measured at an oldies station for which i was hired to do middays in 1989. that said, by today's calendar - 15 year old songs were hits in 1992. 25 year old songs were hits in 1982. that Oldies 103.3 still plays stuff from '64 is them pushin' the envelope. 43 year old songs. one person's Oldie is Bill Haley's "Rock Around The Clock" while another's "oldie but goodie" brings them back to junior high school when their parents would drop them at the mall in the family's Chevrolet Citation. it's a "to-may-to // to-mah-to" kind of thing, but a 25 year old song is not a recurrent in any format. i tip my hat to them for sticking by that which has helped them to remain consistent and steady. the word is Oldies. simple and easy to remember, and means different things to different people with the bottom-line being "not new" - -Chuck Igo (* i've worked with Peter Falconi, JJ Wright and Harry Nelson. i won records (real vinyl) from Dale. i currently work for a station that once called itself Oldies and after 13 years of branding itself as such is now, while still playing 43 year old songs, called Big Hits.) (happy? Dan B? Don A?) From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 14 13:46:36 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:46:36 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <045f01c826ee$afb00700$6401a8c0@pastor2> <> I've thought this for a long time vis-a-vis radio. Gee, we're not cynical, are we? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my > opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, and > other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's first > 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little Richard, > Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even pre-"Burnin' Love" > Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be next on the chopping > block as time marches on. > > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its > little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas > Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the > chance that they (or any other station in Boston) is going to play > "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that > Mr. Cole left behind ? > > Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' Choice, > Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver the goods in > REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the population being > 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it seems that the > powers that be have decided that we don't bloody matter. Or that we > can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading as "oldies" when a lot > of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic folk or entirely other > things ... maybe even the real oldies ... during that decade of dubious > musical value. > > Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into Santa > land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad as WRKO, > which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it wasn't for the Red > Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although the demos are similar, > and if the end of the year caroling keeps that station from flipping to > automated classic hits or something completely different, then so be > it. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com From francini@mac.com Wed Nov 14 13:43:15 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:43:15 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years of radio listening. John On 14 Nov 2007, at 12:46, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my > opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, > and other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's > first 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little > Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even > pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be > next on the chopping block as time marches on. > > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks > its little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A > Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop > ringing, what's the chance that they (or any other station in > Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the > other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left behind ? > > Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' > Choice, Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver > the goods in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the > population being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it > seems that the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody > matter. Or that we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading > as "oldies" when a lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic > folk or entirely other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... > during that decade of dubious musical value. > > Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into > Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad > as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it > wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although > the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps > that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something > completely different, then so be it. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Nov 14 13:55:34 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:55:34 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <045f01c826ee$afb00700$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <045f01c826ee$afb00700$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <8C9F5071227837D-DF8-4917@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its > little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas > Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the > chance that they (or any other station in Boston) are going to play > "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that > Mr. Cole left behind ? I should have considered that WJIB will still play some of the pre-1967 classics, though strong guitar riffs (e.g. Chuck Berry) aren't likely to be in the blend. Too bad 'JIBs signal doesn't even make it cleanly to the Burlington Mall most nights. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Nov 14 14:24:55 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:24:55 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9F50B2BCAC9FD-DF8-4B81@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> I guess I can't dispute the point made by John and others. Maybe the various eras have to get specific names rather than the ambiguous "oldies" moniker. After all, everyone knows what the "big band era" means, even if swing music is in alarmingly short supply on the airwaves since Bill Marlowe went to the turntable in the sky. The "doo-wop era" could be semi-applicable to pre-British Invasion rock 'n' roll even if more hits were not doo-wop than were. Whatever they wind up calling it, I guess it's just a dead horse format to most programmers at this juncture. I do wish that Ed and George's WATD Sat. night show had a little more signal punch north of Boston. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: John Francini To: markwa1ion@aol.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 1:43 pm Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago?? ? In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years of radio listening.? ? John? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Nov 14 14:34:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:34:46 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: <20071114193446.694B783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> It is true that oldies is a moving target and as people age out of profitable demos, the focus shifts to 60s and 70s, 70s and 80s, etc. Still it would be interesting to hear some pre-Beatles stuff once in awhile, etc. (And not just the ballads either.) When in Vermont this past weekend, I listened to and taped the long running "My Place" show on VT Public Radio which spotlights early rock, with songs, rarities, and trivia. Nolan Strong, Carole King & Gerry Goffin, Neil Sedaka, and early Smokey Robinson were covered. We got to hear not only Neil's hit "Oh Carol" (about Ms. King) but Carole's followup, the hilarious "Oh Neil" in which she portrays herself as a Tennessee teen who's plumb fallen in love with Neil...and uh oh, here comes her hillbilly dad with a shotgun! Great to hear "alternative oldies" like that! (And I believe that novelty song helped Carole get a big boost in the music business. And now you know...the rest of the story!) Occasionally on my WMWM blues show (I'm on once every couple months) I'll dig out Chuck Berry or Fats Domino, etc... and point out how a certain oldies station down the dial no longer plays them. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 14 14:52:31 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:52:31 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you use the original parameters of the oldies format today--songs had to be at least ten years old, then anything up to 1997 would be considered an "oldie." Could you imagine WODS playing Celine Dion and Sugar Ray? The format has well branded itself over the years. It targeted the baby boomers, defined the music era as the late 50's to the early 70's with 64-68 being the core years, and rode the population wave through the extremely profitable 25-54 era without evolving or changing, and now it's riding off into the 55+ sunset. Because of the marketing, the music of this era will always be known as "oldies." That's why stations are dropping the term and re-positioning themselves as "classic hits" as they add newer material to it's playlists. I find it wildly ironic that it was baby boomer programmers and GM's that killed off the big band and standards stations back in the 80's and 90's and transitioned them to "oldies", declaring that "no one wants to hear 40 year old music anymore" and "55+ doesn't spend any money." Now that these same people are now aging into the 55+ demo and it's THEIR music that's disappearing from the airwaves, there's all sorts of whining and complaining..."baby boomers are different!" Guess what, you're not. Amazing how karma comes back to bite you in the a$$.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 14, 2007, at 1:43 PM, John Francini wrote: > Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was > growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the > 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" > translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? > > In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at > least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years > of radio listening. > > John > > On 14 Nov 2007, at 12:46, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > >> WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my >> opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, and >> other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's first >> 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little Richard, >> Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even pre-"Burnin' Love" >> Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be next on the chopping >> block as time marches on. >> >> All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its >> little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas >> Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's >> the chance that they (or any other station in Boston) is going to >> play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding >> work that Mr. Cole left behind ? >> >> Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' Choice, >> Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver the goods >> in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the population >> being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it seems that >> the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody matter. Or that >> we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading as "oldies" when a >> lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic folk or entirely >> other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... during that decade of >> dubious musical value. >> >> Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. >> >> Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 14 15:19:16 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:19:16 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <049901c826fb$a1dea930$6401a8c0@pastor2> John, I have no trouble at all with what you're saying; I think you're absolutely right. But one of the points being made in these posts is that we Boomers constitute an enormous demographic --- as one post said, it's the largest in history. Yet we are largely ignored and forgotten by the movers and shakers of the broadcasting world, and that is something I, for one, can't understand. Let's address this from a purely "business" standpoint. If radio station owners are out to make money --- which is indisputable --- you would think, wouldn't you, that they would want to have more stations with formats that would attract older listeners. It's one of those as-plain-as-the-nose-on-one's-face observations: THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE HERE. But few people in radio management seem interested. Why? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was > growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the > 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" > translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? > > In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at > least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years > of radio listening. > > John > > On 14 Nov 2007, at 12:46, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > > > WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my > > opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, > > and other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's > > first 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little > > Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even > > pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be > > next on the chopping block as time marches on. > > > > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks > > its little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A > > Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop > > ringing, what's the chance that they (or any other station in > > Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the > > other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left behind ? > > > > Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' > > Choice, Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver > > the goods in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the > > population being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it > > seems that the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody > > matter. Or that we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading > > as "oldies" when a lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic > > folk or entirely other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... > > during that decade of dubious musical value. > > > > Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > > > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > > > << > > WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into > > Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad > > as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it > > wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although > > the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps > > that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something > > completely different, then so be it. > > > > Dave Tomm > > "Mike Thomas" > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > From francini@mac.com Wed Nov 14 15:27:18 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:27:18 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <049901c826fb$a1dea930$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> <049901c826fb$a1dea930$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <747C16DE-8AF9-4D75-8F21-895C1C87606B@mac.com> Doug, That's a very good question. Now, on the TV side, the management of certain networks has entirely figured out who their core audience is and markets directly at them. The History Channel, in particular, stands out for this. It ain't the 20-somethings and 30-somethings that all the ads for Levitra, Cialis, Levacor, and friends are aimed at. I think WEEI has figured it out too, or they wouldn't have similar ads. I wonder if its that they think that music stations "should always be" aimed at a 'young' demographic, and don't want to be seen as catering to the "55-to-dead" market. Which is all a matter of perception, not reality, of course. j On 14 Nov 2007, at 15:19, Doug Drown wrote: > John, > I have no trouble at all with what you're saying; I think you're > absolutely > right. But one of the points being made in these posts is that we > Boomers > constitute an enormous demographic --- as one post said, it's the > largest in > history. Yet we are largely ignored and forgotten by the movers > and shakers > of the broadcasting world, and that is something I, for one, can't > understand. Let's address this from a purely "business" > standpoint. If > radio station owners are out to make money --- which is > indisputable --- you > would think, wouldn't you, that they would want to have more > stations with > formats that would attract older listeners. It's one of those > as-plain-as-the-nose-on-one's-face observations: THERE'S MONEY TO > BE MADE > HERE. But few people in radio management seem interested. Why? > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Francini" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > > >> Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was >> growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the >> 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" >> translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? >> >> In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at >> least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years >> of radio listening. >> >> John >> >> On 14 Nov 2007, at 12:46, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: >> >>> WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my >>> opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, >>> and other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's >>> first 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little >>> Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even >>> pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be >>> next on the chopping block as time marches on. >>> >>> All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks >>> its little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A >>> Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop >>> ringing, what's the chance that they (or any other station in >>> Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the >>> other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left behind ? >>> >>> Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' >>> Choice, Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver >>> the goods in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the >>> population being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it >>> seems that the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody >>> matter. Or that we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading >>> as "oldies" when a lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic >>> folk or entirely other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... >>> during that decade of dubious musical value. >>> >>> Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. >>> >>> Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA >>> >>> << >>> WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into >>> Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad >>> as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it >>> wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although >>> the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps >>> that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something >>> completely different, then so be it. >>> >>> Dave Tomm >>> "Mike Thomas" >>>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> __ >>> __ >>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >>> Mail! - http://mail.aol.com >> > From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Nov 14 15:35:47 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:35:47 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <8C9F5071227837D-DF8-4917@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <070c01c826fd$f0ae5f40$0200a8c0@Office> Guess you haven't been listening to WCAP 980am for the past 5 years from midnite to 5 (and recently from 7-10pm) for the music of the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's..... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:56 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its > little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas > Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the > chance that they (or any other station in Boston) are going to play > "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that > Mr. Cole left behind ? I should have considered that WJIB will still play some of the pre-1967 classics, though strong guitar riffs (e.g. Chuck Berry) aren't likely to be in the blend. Too bad 'JIBs signal doesn't even make it cleanly to the Burlington Mall most nights. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 14 15:54:50 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:54:50 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> <049901c826fb$a1dea930$6401a8c0@pastor2> <747C16DE-8AF9-4D75-8F21-895C1C87606B@mac.com> Message-ID: <04af01c82700$99ca3bb0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <>. If what you're suggesting is true, it doesn't bode well for the future of radio in general. It implies that there isn't much creative thinking going on out there. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > Doug, > > That's a very good question. Now, on the TV side, the management of > certain networks has entirely figured out who their core audience is > and markets directly at them. The History Channel, in particular, > stands out for this. It ain't the 20-somethings and 30-somethings > that all the ads for Levitra, Cialis, Levacor, and friends are aimed at. > > I think WEEI has figured it out too, or they wouldn't have similar ads. > > I wonder if its that they think that music stations "should always > be" aimed at a 'young' demographic, and don't want to be seen as > catering to the "55-to-dead" market. Which is all a matter of > perception, not reality, of course. > > j > > > On 14 Nov 2007, at 15:19, Doug Drown wrote: > > > John, > > I have no trouble at all with what you're saying; I think you're > > absolutely > > right. But one of the points being made in these posts is that we > > Boomers > > constitute an enormous demographic --- as one post said, it's the > > largest in > > history. Yet we are largely ignored and forgotten by the movers > > and shakers > > of the broadcasting world, and that is something I, for one, can't > > understand. Let's address this from a purely "business" > > standpoint. If > > radio station owners are out to make money --- which is > > indisputable --- you > > would think, wouldn't you, that they would want to have more > > stations with > > formats that would attract older listeners. It's one of those > > as-plain-as-the-nose-on-one's-face observations: THERE'S MONEY TO > > BE MADE > > HERE. But few people in radio management seem interested. Why? > > > > -Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Francini" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > > > > > >> Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was > >> growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the > >> 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" > >> translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? > >> > >> In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at > >> least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years > >> of radio listening. > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 14 Nov 2007, at 12:46, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my > >>> opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, > >>> and other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's > >>> first 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little > >>> Richard, Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even > >>> pre-"Burnin' Love" Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be > >>> next on the chopping block as time marches on. > >>> > >>> All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks > >>> its little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A > >>> Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop > >>> ringing, what's the chance that they (or any other station in > >>> Boston) is going to play "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the > >>> other outstanding work that Mr. Cole left behind ? > >>> > >>> Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' > >>> Choice, Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver > >>> the goods in REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the > >>> population being 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it > >>> seems that the powers that be have decided that we don't bloody > >>> matter. Or that we can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading > >>> as "oldies" when a lot of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic > >>> folk or entirely other things ... maybe even the real oldies ... > >>> during that decade of dubious musical value. > >>> > >>> Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > >>> > >>> Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > >>> > >>> << > >>> WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into > >>> Santa land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad > >>> as WRKO, which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it > >>> wasn't for the Red Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although > >>> the demos are similar, and if the end of the year caroling keeps > >>> that station from flipping to automated classic hits or something > >>> completely different, then so be it. > >>> > >>> Dave Tomm > >>> "Mike Thomas" > >>>>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________________ > >>> __ > >>> __ > >>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > >>> Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > >> > > > From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 14 16:17:31 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:17:31 -0700 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: >>I wonder if its that they think that music stations "should always be" aimed at a 'young' demographic, and don't want to be seen as catering to the "55-to-dead" market. Which is all a matter of perception, not reality, of course.<< The reality is that those who buy time on radio stations, especially the agencies through which almost all regional, national and network business is placed, will not buy 55+ demos. It's not that there aren't enough of them. It's not that they don't listen to radio. It's not that they won't buy advertised products. The reason is that they are much more difficult to sway from their habits (and brand names become a habit as you get older). The agencies claim there are a substantial number of perceptual studies out there which prove it, although I can't claim to have ever seen one. Now...with the aging of the baby-boom generation, that reality may be in the process of changing. BUT: Until you convince Madison Avenue of it, things will continue as they are. I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm not even saying that I believe it myself. Heck, it may actually be one enormous lie. But they do believe it...and that's the reality the radio business must contend with. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Nov 14 16:41:00 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:41:00 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The reality is that those who buy time on radio stations, especially > the agencies through which almost all regional, national and network > business is placed, will not buy 55+ demos. I would suggest that there is at least one other factor involved. If you listen to the sort of advertising that does run today on older-skewing radio stations and cable channels, most of it screams "OLD". I suspect that too much of this advertising may drive away younger listeners/viewers by sending them the message "this programming is intended for your parents" (impotence drugs, heart-disease drugs, AARP image ads, Medicare supplemental insurance plans, people who will help you cheat the government out of the cost of your nursing-home care, etc.). So even formats that ought to have broad appeal, like all-news, may end up in a vicious cycle of self-reinforcing 55+ demos. I wonder if advertising fatigue more generally doesn't play a part in the declining national TV audience for baseball.... There's only so many spot breaks consisting of three beer ads, three car ads, one for a sporting-goods store, and two drug ads before you start wanting to smash your television. (Particularly the drug ads, which are uniformly awful.) -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Nov 14 16:57:04 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:57:04 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <04af01c82700$99ca3bb0$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> <049901c826fb$a1dea930$6401a8c0@pastor2> <747C16DE-8AF9-4D75-8F21-895C1C87606B@mac.com> <04af01c82700$99ca3bb0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <473B6F30.8000702@ttlc.net> Doug Drown wrote: > It implies that there isn't much creative thinking going on out there When you're a large corporation with hundreds of clusters and debt to service, there's no margin for error. The stockholders demand higher and higher returns on their money, so creative thinking is simply too risky. Play it safe. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Nov 14 16:59:58 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:59:58 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <473B6FDE.4090201@ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > There's only so many spot breaks consisting of three beer ads, three car ads, one for a sporting-goods store, and two drug ads before you start wanting to smash your television. (Particularly the drug ads, which are uniformly awful.) > Smash your television? Garrett, you should ask your doctor if Zoloft is right for you! From billohno@gmail.com Wed Nov 14 17:03:17 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:03:17 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <473B70A5.4050109@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > There's only so > many spot breaks consisting of three beer ads, three car ads, one for > a sporting-goods store, and two drug ads before you start wanting to > smash your television. (Particularly the drug ads, which are > uniformly awful.) Hey neighbor, have a Postum.... Then call 1-555-DEPENDS. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 17:23:10 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:23:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Message-ID: <889299.19102.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >From personal experience with sports television (6 years doing traffic for Celtics games and sports news) the auto, fast food, movie/DVD and casino advertisers are the most aggressive. We don't have a lot of beer or ED stuff - they tend to buy on a national level. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Kirk To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:59:58 PM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Garrett Wollman wrote: > There's only so many spot breaks consisting of three beer ads, three car ads, one for a sporting-goods store, and two drug ads before you start wanting to smash your television. (Particularly the drug ads, which are uniformly awful.) > Smash your television? Garrett, you should ask your doctor if Zoloft is right for you! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Nov 14 18:10:50 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:10:50 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <889299.19102.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <889299.19102.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18235.32890.32797.226689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > From personal experience with sports television (6 years doing > traffic for Celtics games and sports news) the auto, fast food, > movie/DVD and casino advertisers are the most aggressive. We don't > have a lot of beer or ED stuff - they tend to buy on a national > level. The car companies are pretty big national buyers, too; as a regional sports net you get the regional dearlers' associations, whereas the networks and national cable get the automakers. (And of course local cable gets the single wacko dealer from 30 miles away who bought all of eastern Mass. because it was cheap, never mind that nobody is going to drive that far to buy from him.) I was paying enough attention to the spots on the World Series this year to note that all three megabrewers (Anheuser-Busch, SABMiller, and Molson Coors) bought time. Too bad they only made two spots each -- after rather fewer than twelve games, one is thoroughly sick of all of them. -GAWollman From radiotest@cox.net Wed Nov 14 18:38:06 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:38:06 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <18235.32890.32797.226689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <889299.19102.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18235.32890.32797.226689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071114182614.03880c80@cox.net> At 06:10 PM 11/14/2007, Garrett Wollman wrote: >And of course local >cable gets the single wacko dealer from 30 miles away who bought all >of eastern Mass. because it was cheap, never mind that nobody is going >to drive that far to buy from him. I dunno. The same idea worked for the late Ernie Boch, though we didn't have cable when he started TV advertising. He drew buyers from considerable distances, though, and I'll bet that Ernie, Jr. does too. Papa Ernie started out with one Rambler dealership, and look at the size of the automile today, not to mention the Subaru distributorship and the radio stations. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 14 19:21:57 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:21:57 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <045f01c826ee$afb00700$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <008901c8271d$89514a40$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Like it or not, the overwhelming % of people are under 55 (and always will be)... Maybe if you made more IMPUSE buys, you'd get your favorites on the radio! -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:47 PM To: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas <> I've thought this for a long time vis-a-vis radio. Gee, we're not cynical, are we? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > WODS may call itself an oldies station, but that's a farce in my > opinion. They seem more in love with disco, Captain & Tennille, and > other '70s lame-o's than any kind of serious oldies from rock's first > 10 years ('54 to '64). Like where's the Chuck Berry, Little Richard, > Buddy Holly, NYC doo-wop, or for that matter even pre-"Burnin' Love" > Elvis already ? The Beatles will probably be next on the chopping > block as time marches on. > > All Christmas music may be the only way this station even sticks its > little toe into the '50s, seeing that they MIGHT play "A Christmas > Song" by Nat King Cole. When the jingle bells stop ringing, what's the > chance that they (or any other station in Boston) is going to play > "Send for Me", "Nature Boy", or any of the other outstanding work that > Mr. Cole left behind ? > > Nah, I just had better be happy with my CD's from Collectors' Choice, > Rhino, and Bear Family because Boston Radio can't deliver the goods in > REAL oldies anymore. Despite a sizeable part of the population being > 55+ (maybe the largest percentage in history?), it seems that the > powers that be have decided that we don't bloody matter. Or that we > can be placated by '70s pop pablum masquerading as "oldies" when a lot > of us were listening to hard rock or Celtic folk or entirely other > things ... maybe even the real oldies ... during that decade of dubious > musical value. > > Ranting concluded. Resuming Christmas shopping. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > WODS does OK the rest of the year, but the six week sojourn into Santa > land every year makes them profitable. This isn't even as bad as WRKO, > which would be a zeppelin going down in flames if it wasn't for the Red > Sox games. WODS isn't at that point, although the demos are similar, > and if the end of the year caroling keeps that station from flipping to > automated classic hits or something completely different, then so be > it. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Nov 14 19:22:34 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:22:34 -0500 Subject: What's an Oldie? (Was: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas) In-Reply-To: <003001c826ec$7a891280$0201a8c0@Family> References: <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> <003001c826ec$7a891280$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <8A9E5D6B74884C678A25D1E9776601D4@DanBillingsPC> It just goes to show that you will never get it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: What's an Oldie? (Was: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas) > - -Chuck Igo > (* i've worked with Peter Falconi, JJ Wright and Harry Nelson. i won > records (real vinyl) from Dale. i currently work for a station that once > called itself Oldies and after 13 years of branding itself as such is now, > while still playing 43 year old songs, called Big Hits.) (happy? Dan B? > Don A?) > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Nov 14 21:51:43 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:51:43 -0500 Subject: oldies on WCAP In-Reply-To: <070c01c826fd$f0ae5f40$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <8C9F54996D416BF-FD0-19A8@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> I do tune WCAP's offerings from time to time. The station has an adequate sgnal here on the Billerica/Burlington line (a bit of occasional WOFX in background). I appreciate Gary's contribution to the oldies scene just as I appreciate what Ed & George do down in Marshfield on 'ATD (and for that matter Bob Bittner on 'JIB). Too bad that none of these stations hits downtown Boston all that well at evening drivetime or later. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << -----Original Message----- From: Gary's Ice Cream To: markwa1ion@aol.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 3:35 pm Subject: RE: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas Guess you haven't been listening to WCAP 980am for the past 5 years from midnite to 5 (and recently from 7-10pm) for the music of the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's..... >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 15 00:21:32 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:21:32 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <8C9F50B2BCAC9FD-DF8-4B81@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> References: , , <8C9F50B2BCAC9FD-DF8-4B81@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <473B910C.10847.55F08C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Nov 2007 at 14:24, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > I do wish that Ed and George's WATD Sat. night show had a little more > signal punch north of Boston. But you can get them online. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 15 00:21:32 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:21:32 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: , <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <473B910C.14862.55F1E4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Nov 2007 at 13:43, John Francini wrote: > Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was > growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the > 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" > translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? > > In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at > least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years > of radio listening. Unfortunately this is so, and it's a generational thing. My parents' "oldies" station was "Music of Your Life." But now, it's another generation, oldies are too new for some of us, and adult standards stations are where we hear the 1950s and early 60s oldies. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 15 00:21:33 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:21:33 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473B910D.4928.55F2CE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Nov 2007 at 14:17, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The reality is that those who buy time on radio stations, especially > the agencies through which almost all regional, national and network > business is placed, will not buy 55+ demos. It's not that there > aren't enough of them. It's not that they don't listen to radio. > It's not that they won't buy advertised products. The reason is that > they are much more difficult to sway from their habits (and brand > names become a habit as you get older). The agencies claim there are > a substantial number of perceptual studies out there which prove it, > although I can't claim to have ever seen one. Unfortunately, the younger demographic that they're after are turning away from radio towards other technologies altogether. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 15 00:21:33 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:21:33 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas In-Reply-To: <473B70A5.4050109@gmail.com> References: , <18235.27500.418795.705692@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <473B70A5.4050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <473B910D.32642.55F4B3@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Nov 2007 at 17:03, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Hey neighbor, have a Postum.... Then call 1-555-DEPENDS. Well, we certainly can't have a 'Gansett any more! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 15 01:05:01 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:05:01 -0500 Subject: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas References: , <8C9F4FD5E2D667F-DF8-42AD@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com>, <473B910C.14862.55F1E4@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <007b01c8274d$761f7fc0$31874c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: ; John Francini Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:21 AM Subject: Re: WODS & WROR Flip To All Christmas > On 14 Nov 2007 at 13:43, John Francini wrote: > > > Can it not be argued that "oldies" is a moving target? When I was > > growing up, yes, "oldies" were indeed from the 50s and 60s during the > > 70s and 80s. However, now that we're in the 00s, wouldn't "oldies" > > translate to 70s and 80s -- i.e., no more than 30 years ago? > > > > In other words, "oldies" are a moving window into the past. Or at > > least that's how it has seemed to me over the past 30-something years > > of radio listening. > > Unfortunately this is so, and it's a generational thing. My parents' > "oldies" station was "Music of Your Life." But now, it's another > generation, oldies are too new for some of us, and adult standards > stations are where we hear the 1950s and early 60s oldies. > Or satellite, or HD. (Listening to "V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N" on WDRC-FM HD-2 right now ...) Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Nov 15 14:47:28 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:47:28 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow Message-ID: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> According to the Herald's Messenger Blog, Howie Carr returns to WRKO (and presumably his "network") tomorrow. He's there till 2012...and no, it won't be mornings but the same afternoon slot. http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/11/15/its-official-howie-carr-back-to-wrko/ From billohno@gmail.com Thu Nov 15 14:58:47 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:58:47 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > According to the Herald's Messenger Blog, Howie Carr returns to WRKO (and presumably his "network") tomorrow. He's there till 2012...and no, it won't be mornings but the same afternoon slot. > Hey, Howie, just in time for the Yankee Swap. Who knew? Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 15 18:32:16 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:32:16 -0500 Subject: Translators (was: WDRC-FM oddity) In-Reply-To: <004501c82653$2b510450$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <01f101c827df$c1d60c80$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > A recent entry among the FCC applications on the Daily Digest was for a > translator > on 96.7 megahertz, W244CF COL Plymouth, MA. That's one dial position down > from > WTKK-FM, Boston. It will operate with 10 watts with a directional antenna > just east > of route 3 on the Plymouth/Sagamore line. Now the FCC directional data > indicates > that only one radial, zero degrees, which is due north, will get the full > output, > 1.000, every other point is a fraction of that. But the contour map shows > the major > lobe pointed toward the northeast. In any event, many people headed to > the > Cape tuned > to WTKK may find themselves listening to a bible-thumping preacher for > hire! I was down by that tower in Bourne today, and it looks like there is a directional beam antenna up there now that wasn't there a few weeks ago. The database says the CP expires on November 9th though... and they definitely were not on the air. They'll probably get away with it though, whenever they decide to turn it on... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 16 13:30:40 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:30:40 -0500 Subject: Tom Ashbrook Out Till January Message-ID: <20071116183047.CE6C047808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> It was announced on this morning's "On Point" on WBUR that host Tom Ashbrook recently underwent heart surgery and will be out until January. He was on channel 2 two weeks ago and looked the picture of health! -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Nov 16 15:23:31 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:23:31 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow In-Reply-To: <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com> References: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <473DFC43.4080406@gabrielmass.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: >> According to the Herald's Messenger Blog, Howie Carr returns to WRKO >> (and presumably his "network") tomorrow. He's there till 2012...and >> no, it won't be mornings but the same afternoon slot. >> > > Hey, Howie, just in time for the Yankee Swap. Who knew? All riight! To celebrate, I'm going to Bickford's! --RC From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Nov 16 15:36:44 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:36:44 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow In-Reply-To: <473DFC43.4080406@gabrielmass.com> References: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com> <473DFC43.4080406@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <473DFF5C.5050303@ttlc.net> R&R stated that Howie "decided" to return to WRKO. Sounds more like he was forced to return. Personally, I don't know how he can continue to work on the air at RKO without sniping and taking potshots at management at every possible opportunity. His heart just can be in it. >> Bob Nelson wrote: >>> According to the Herald's Messenger Blog, Howie Carr returns to WRKO >>> (and presumably his "network") tomorrow. He's there till 2012...and >>> no, it won't be mornings but the same afternoon slot. >>> From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 15:56:22 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:56:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow Message-ID: <806088.16056.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Secondary question - will his audience still be there? Did they find other things instead of listening to Todd Feinberg? This may be a hollow victory for Entercom - we'll have to wait a few books to find out. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Kirk Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:36:44 PM Subject: Re: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow R&R stated that Howie "decided" to return to WRKO. Sounds more like he was forced to return. Personally, I don't know how he can continue to work on the air at RKO without sniping and taking potshots at management at every possible opportunity. His heart just can be in it. >> Bob Nelson wrote: >>> According to the Herald's Messenger Blog, Howie Carr returns to WRKO >>> (and presumably his "network") tomorrow. He's there till 2012...and >>> no, it won't be mornings but the same afternoon slot. >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Nov 16 16:01:53 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:01:53 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow In-Reply-To: <473DFF5C.5050303@ttlc.net> References: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com> <473DFC43.4080406@gabrielmass.com> <473DFF5C.5050303@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <473E0541.2040105@gabrielmass.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > R&R stated that Howie "decided" to return to WRKO. Sounds more like he > was forced to return. > > Personally, I don't know how he can continue to work on the air at RKO > without sniping and taking potshots at management at every possible > opportunity. His heart just can be in it. Well, you have a point. He did confirm that he was wearing a striped shirt today.* (*Joke approved by mgmt.) Also, he announced he wasn't going to be working any (that is, any) holidays any more! OTOH, he's playing a clip of Perry Como singing "Ac-cen-chew-ate the Positive" every few minutes. So Howie's all sweetness and light today. ;-) --RC From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 16 16:47:33 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:47:33 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow Message-ID: <20071116214733.C892411581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Chonak" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:01:53 -0500 >Roger Kirk wrote: > R&R stated that Howie "decided" to return to WRKO. Sounds more > like he was forced to return. > > Personally, I don't know how he can continue to work on the air > at RKO without sniping and taking potshots at management at every > possible opportunity. His heart just can be in it. >Well, you have a point. He did confirm that he was wearing a >striped shirt today.* (*Joke approved by mgmt.) >Also, he announced he wasn't going to be working any (that is, any) >holidays any more! >OTOH, he's playing a clip of Perry Como singing "Ac-cen-chew-ate >the Positive" every few minutes. So Howie's all sweetness and >light today. ;-) >--RC Please do not count me among Howie's acolytes, but I did make a habit of tuning in to the Monday segment with Max Robbins. I assume that it will return this coming Monday with a lot of territory to cover; maybe it should extend past the 6:00 pm Metro News! (I wonder if Max has found employment yet...as Bob & Ray used to say "write if you get work".) -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From billohno@gmail.com Fri Nov 16 17:32:14 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20071116214733.C892411581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071116214733.C892411581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <473E1A6E.3040203@gmail.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > ...as Bob & Ray used to say "write if you get work".) > > > Bob & Ray -- "It's time to play, 'You give me the answer and I'll give you the question.'" Bob: Hey, you're on a roll! Ray: Why is there butter on my pants? Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 02:32:12 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:32:12 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow References: <20071115194728.3CEDA83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <473CA4F7.1070901@gmail.com><473DFC43.4080406@gabrielmass.com> <473DFF5C.5050303@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <00c901c828ec$4a36aff0$6401a8c0@default> From: "Roger Kirk" > R&R stated that Howie "decided" to return to WRKO. Sounds more like he > was forced to return. Well, he could've simply stayed home. No one forced his return. He could've continued to fight this issue, and eventually get it to the SJC. So, in that regard I suppose he "chose" to stop the legal fight (which certainly could've gone on) and go back to WRKO. > Personally, I don't know how he can continue to work on the air at RKO > without sniping and taking potshots at management at every possible > opportunity. His heart just can be in it. Ahhh...but now it will now just become part of his "Schtick".... "Blah blah blah...this place stinks...Management does this/that....they treat us like dirt", etc. His act will likely incorperate a bit of the "lucrative curmudgeon". From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Nov 17 03:28:49 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:28:49 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow Message-ID: <20071117082849.73E9A49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> At this writing (3:30 am on early Sat., Nov. 17) WTKK has a page on their site about the return of Don Imus. But when you click it you find there's a picture of a man who looks an awful lot like Gov. Deval Patrick, next to text about the I-man's return. Another, bigger pic of the Governor is next to some more text about Imus, and then finally a picture of Imus himself next to still more text. Hopefully the page will be corrected by the time you see this. Either that or our state's chief executive will be moonlighting soon as a talk host based at WABC... http://www.969wtkk.com/Home/Story1/tabid/65/Default.aspx?title=Don%20Imus%20Rides%20Again From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Nov 17 03:30:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:30:18 -0500 Subject: Howie returns to WRKO/"network" tomorrow Message-ID: <20071117083018.F381849B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Howie said on air he did his "jury duty" while he was gone, meaning his various legal meetings. He said "I won't have to do that again for another five years". Meaning the end of his new contract...as far as I know, REAL jury duty in MA means you won't be called again for a period of THREE years... From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Nov 18 17:50:34 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:50:34 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> I was talking to a friend in New York City about HD radio there. He was telling me that WINS (AM) is on the HD-2 stream of one of the FM stations there. He wasn't sure which one. What he told me that was surprising is that the HD-2 stream has a totally different callsign than either WINS or the FM station. We thought this unusual, neither of us thought that the FCC separately licenses the HD-2 and HD-3 streams, nor assigns them callsigns. Can anyone shine any light on this situation? If possible, please use the "reply to all" when replying to this message, so that my friend, who is not a member of this list, will get your reply. Thanks for your help. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 18 17:57:05 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:57:05 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> Message-ID: <000801c82a36$592d7110$89efa644@SatU205S5044> Three possibilities for a knowledgeable reply from a list member: Scott, Garrett, and Sid. Only reason I can think of for the HD-3 stream having a call sign unrelated to the FM station or WINS is that the FCC considers it somehow experimental; that could give it a separate call sign, I guess. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Boston Radio" ; Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: HD Callsigns >I was talking to a friend in New York City about HD radio there. He >was telling me that WINS (AM) is on the HD-2 stream of one of the FM >stations there. He wasn't sure which one. > > What he told me that was surprising is that the HD-2 stream has a > totally different callsign than either WINS or the FM station. We > thought this unusual, neither of us thought that the FCC separately > licenses the HD-2 and HD-3 streams, nor assigns them callsigns. > > Can anyone shine any light on this situation? > > If possible, please use the "reply to all" when replying to this > message, so that my friend, who is not a member of this list, will > get your reply. > > Thanks for your help. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From john@minutemancomm.com Sun Nov 18 18:09:11 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:09:11 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> References: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> Message-ID: <007001c82a38$08508910$6a00a8c0@johnster1> http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station/NY/StnMarket/NewYork NY http://www.1010wins.com/pages/7992.php? New York, NY 102.7-2 WWFS-HD2 FM News / WINS-AM CBS Radio -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:51 PM To: Boston Radio; dbreda@nyc.rr.com Subject: HD Callsigns I was talking to a friend in New York City about HD radio there. He was telling me that WINS (AM) is on the HD-2 stream of one of the FM stations there. He wasn't sure which one. What he told me that was surprising is that the HD-2 stream has a totally different callsign than either WINS or the FM station. We thought this unusual, neither of us thought that the FCC separately licenses the HD-2 and HD-3 streams, nor assigns them callsigns. Can anyone shine any light on this situation? If possible, please use the "reply to all" when replying to this message, so that my friend, who is not a member of this list, will get your reply. Thanks for your help. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Sun Nov 18 18:32:41 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:32:41 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> References: <200711182250.lAIMoa3e029685@mac.com> Message-ID: <4740CB99.2070209@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > I was talking to a friend in New York City about HD radio there. He was > telling me that WINS (AM) is on the HD-2 stream of one of the FM > stations there. He wasn't sure which one. > > What he told me that was surprising is that the HD-2 stream has a > totally different callsign than either WINS or the FM station. We > thought this unusual, neither of us thought that the FCC separately > licenses the HD-2 and HD-3 streams, nor assigns them callsigns. > > Can anyone shine any light on this situation? Last time I was in NYC, WINS was on the HD-2 of WWFS 102.7, ex-WNEW. Is it possible that your friend in NYC wasn't aware that the main channel on 102.7 changed calls from its longtime WNEW to WWFS when it changed formats last year? Or that WINS is still using the old WNEW calls in its ID? (Unlikely, I think, since the FCC's mandate for legal IDs on the HD-2 didn't go into effect until just a couple of months ago, by which time 102.7 was already WWFS.) And, no, the FCC doesn't separately license HD subchannels. They are indeed covered under the main station's license. s From sid@wrko.com Sun Nov 18 20:16:21 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:16:21 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>What he told me that was surprising is that the HD-2 stream has a totally different callsign than either WINS or the FM station. We thought this unusual, neither of us thought that the FCC separately licenses the HD-2 and HD-3 streams, nor assigns them callsigns. Can anyone shine any light on this situation?<< When the rules for the Digital Radio Service became effective on September 14th, HD Radio's experimental status ended, AM-HD was authorized for nighttime use, and the legal ID rule (73.1201) was amended to add the following text: "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio broadcast." I would gather, from that wording, that leaving the ID as "WINS New York" on WWFS's HD2 channel is probably not sufficient (that does not ID the stream as being a digital broadcast), but then, I'm not a communications lawyer either. A simultaneous ID of "WINS and WWFS-HD2, New York" might make more sense for those puzzled over hearing WINS on the FM band. IIRC WNEW switched to WWFS this past spring when the "Fresh" format debuted. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From map@mapinternet.com Mon Nov 19 15:02:07 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:02:07 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: Message-ID: <006001c82ae7$1110ba20$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> The rules don't seem to say that a station has to identify whether its' digital signal is on AM, FM or both. So, if WINS's broadcast was available in 3 places: An analog signal on 1010, a digital signal on 1010, and was carried on (102.7FM) WWFS-HD2, would an ID of "WINS, New York and WINS digital" or WINS, New York and WINS HD" suffice for any combination of the AM & FM digital similcasts? Or, would the ID have to be "WINS, New York, WINS HD(WINS Digital), and WWFS-HD(or WWFS-HD2, or WWFS Digital, or WWFS-Digital 2) if WINS was on all 3. The rules could use a bit of clarification. Do any of the Boston area FM's have an AM station on their digital channels yet, or are there any plans? Haven't heard any stations using "Digital" in their ID instead of "HD", and I don't expect to, but it looks like the rules permit that choice. Any comments on available HD car radios? Circuit City had one for $99 a couple weeks ago. I'd rather keep the factory radio or upgrade to factory HD. In Sept., Ford announced the 2008 models will have HD available and for retrofit down to 2005. I asked the local Ford Dealer out here and he said that they don't have any info on it yet. One source on the internet quoted a customer saying it was about $300 for the conversion on a 2005+ Ford factory radio. Mark Casey K1MAP Western Mass. When the rules for the Digital Radio Service became effective on September 14th, HD Radio's experimental status ended, AM-HD was authorized for nighttime use, and the legal ID rule (73.1201) was amended to add the following text: "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio broadcast." I would gather, from that wording, that leaving the ID as "WINS New York" on WWFS's HD2 channel is probably not sufficient (that does not ID the stream as being a digital broadcast), but then, I'm not a communications lawyer either. A simultaneous ID of "WINS and WWFS-HD2, New York" might make more sense for those puzzled over hearing WINS on the FM band. Sid Schweiger From lglavin@mail.com Mon Nov 19 15:12:09 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:09 -0500 Subject: Rod Fritz On WBZ Radio Message-ID: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> If you were listening to WBZ radio over the weekend, you radio wasn't on the fritz, the Fritz was on the radio: Rod Fritz that is. He anchored newscasts on WBZ, interacting with 'BZ reporters, weather forecasters and traffic monitors. This was no network feed. Earlier today (Monday), his voice wes heard on a pre-recorded story, but so far I haven't heard him on the station otherwise today. I wonder if this is a temporary weekend gig, meaning that he could still be heard doing a Fox OTOH newscast...on WRKO no less! -- Over 2 Million Holiday Gift Ideas - Take a Look! mail.com shopping at http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 15:36:37 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:36:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rod Fritz On WBZ Radio In-Reply-To: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <918225.75082.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > If you were listening to WBZ radio over the weekend, you radio wasn't > on the fritz, the Fritz was on the radio: Rod Fritz that is. He > anchored > newscasts on WBZ, interacting with 'BZ reporters, weather forecasters > and > traffic monitors. This was no network feed. Earlier today (Monday), > his voice > wes heard on a pre-recorded story, but so far I haven't heard him on > the > station otherwise today. I wonder if this is a temporary weekend > gig, meaning > that he could still be heard doing a Fox OTOH newscast...on WRKO no > less! He's doing some reporting work for WBZ. I heard him Friday, I think. Wasn't he at WBZ before? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Nov 19 18:58:22 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:58:22 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 years on the radio! References: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> For the second year in a row, WMWM Salem State College radio (91.7) will continue the Thanksgiving tradition of carrying the Salem-Beverly High School Football game in place of Wes's 46 year run. Utilizing ex WESX staffers, Rick Moore, Bill Newell, Roger Kolakowski, and Bill Cooksey, coverage will start around 7am Thanksgiving day and end post game with the long version of Alice's Restaurant and a special Christmas song for our troops in the Middle East. WESX discontinued their 46 year tradition with the sale to Principal Broadcasting two years ago, but Salem State College administration has graciously allowed us to continue the run through the efforts of Brian Vita, a valued member of this group. That's 91.7 WMWM College Radio at around 7am Thanksgiving Day...Live! Run Tape! Roger WA1KAT From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Nov 19 19:04:42 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:04:42 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 years on theradio! References: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <011f01c82b08$f965f300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Of course that's WESX's 46 year run...if Wes worked there during that time...I should give him his due. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 years on theradio! > For the second year in a row, WMWM Salem State College radio (91.7) will > continue the Thanksgiving tradition of carrying the Salem-Beverly High > School Football game in place of Wes's 46 year run. > > Utilizing ex WESX staffers, Rick Moore, Bill Newell, Roger Kolakowski, and > Bill Cooksey, coverage will start around 7am Thanksgiving day and end post > game with the long version of Alice's Restaurant and a special Christmas > song for our troops in the Middle East. > > WESX discontinued their 46 year tradition with the sale to Principal > Broadcasting two years ago, but Salem State College administration has > graciously allowed us to continue the run through the efforts of Brian Vita, > a valued member of this group. > > That's 91.7 WMWM College Radio at around 7am Thanksgiving Day...Live! Run > Tape! > > Roger > WA1KAT > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Nov 19 19:04:34 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:04:34 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 years on the radio! In-Reply-To: <00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <47422492.1050901@gmail.com> Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Utilizing ex WESX staffers, Rick Moore, Bill Newell, Roger Kolakowski, and > Bill Cooksey, coverage will start around 7am Thanksgiving day and end post > game with the long version of Alice's Restaurant and a special Christmas > song for our troops in the Middle East. Good job, WMWM. That's good stuff(ing). Way to tie-in to the community. WMWM Salem Salem should be congratulated. Bill O'Neill // From billohno@gmail.com Mon Nov 19 19:13:00 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:13:00 -0500 Subject: Imus Affils? Message-ID: <4742268C.2090805@gmail.com> Any insights about where else Imus will show up on NE affiliates (Burlington/Plattsburgh)? Does this portend the end of The War Room with Quinn & Rose on 96.7/960/1320? Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From kenwvt@gmail.com Mon Nov 19 15:28:04 2007 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:28:04 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <006001c82ae7$1110ba20$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <006001c82ae7$1110ba20$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <647737520711191228j51ef2810w3cc15090bf50adb4@mail.gmail.com> The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the ID I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD all the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. -Ken On 11/19/07, Mark Casey wrote: > The rules don't seem to say that a station has to identify whether its' > digital signal is on AM, FM or both. > > So, if WINS's broadcast was available in 3 places: > An analog signal on 1010, a digital signal on 1010, and was carried on > (102.7FM) WWFS-HD2, would an ID of "WINS, New York and WINS digital" or > WINS, New York and WINS HD" suffice for any combination of the AM & FM > digital similcasts? > > Or, would the ID have to be "WINS, New York, WINS HD(WINS Digital), and > WWFS-HD(or WWFS-HD2, or WWFS Digital, or WWFS-Digital 2) if WINS was on all > 3. The rules could use a bit of clarification. > > Do any of the Boston area FM's have an AM station on their digital channels > yet, or are there any plans? > > Haven't heard any stations using "Digital" in their ID instead of "HD", and > I don't expect to, but it looks like the rules permit that choice. > > Any comments on available HD car radios? Circuit City had one for $99 a > couple weeks ago. I'd rather keep the factory radio or upgrade to factory > HD. In Sept., Ford announced the 2008 models will have HD available and for > retrofit down to 2005. I asked the local Ford Dealer out here and he said > that they don't have any info on it yet. One source on the internet quoted a > customer saying it was about $300 for the conversion on a 2005+ Ford factory > radio. > > Mark Casey > K1MAP > Western Mass. > > > When the rules for the Digital Radio Service became effective on > September 14th, HD Radio's experimental status ended, AM-HD was > authorized for nighttime use, and the legal ID rule (73.1201) was > amended to add the following text: > > "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid mode > shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast audio > programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience > to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio broadcast." > > I would gather, from that wording, that leaving the ID as "WINS New > York" on WWFS's HD2 channel is probably not sufficient (that does not ID > the stream as being a digital broadcast), but then, I'm not a > communications lawyer either. A simultaneous ID of "WINS and WWFS-HD2, > New York" might make more sense for those puzzled over hearing WINS on > the FM band. > > Sid Schweiger > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 20 03:14:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:14:38 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 years on the radio! Message-ID: <20071120081438.D1CAE83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes, WMWM is proud to be able to do this for the second year in a row. We got it at the last minute last year...not much time to promote it. (This year we are running promos done by someone at MooreStuffOnline.com and I emailed the Salem News, etc. Hopefully word will spread at Salem and Beverly's high schools somehow as to where to tune in.) Last year it was torrential rain and the guys doing it were out in the open--a few times their laptop (connected to a cell phone modem) shorted out. The very end of the game was strictly by cell phone. Kudos to all involved! I tuned in and it sounded fine. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Nov 20 07:37:54 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:37:54 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <647737520711191228j51ef2810w3cc15090bf50adb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017b01c82b72$2c6b6140$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the ID > > I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in > chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD all > the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Nov 20 08:49:37 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:49:37 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD In-Reply-To: <017b01c82b72$2c6b6140$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <647737520711191228j51ef2810w3cc15090bf50adb4@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c82b72$2c6b6140$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <004e01c82b7c$30f71f60$128e3f81@MoeHoward> With all this discussion of HD the last couple of days, I'd like to ask a question of the experts. Will *all* AM stations be able to broadcast in HD? I am thinking specifically of the situation between WCRN 830 and WEEI 850, and to a lesser extent between WBZ 1030 and WBIX 1060. Here we have powerful stations that are very close on the dial to each other. We all know the racket that WBZ makes from 1010 to 1050 kHz, but what if WBIX were also transmitting HD. Would it affect WBZ's HD signal, or vice-versa? (I doubt WBZ would let it). And WCRN and WEEI are even closer on the dial...would their HD signals interfere with each other or with the analog service? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lehmann Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:38 AM To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'B-R-I' Subject: RE: HD Callsigns > The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the ID > > I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in > chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD all > the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 09:12:12 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:12:12 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <017b01c82b72$2c6b6140$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <000701c82b7f$5a6c7f40$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> If you are right and they are using WVEI-HD1 and not WVEI-FM-HD1, the implication is either that WVEI (AM) 1440 in Worcester is broadcasting in HD (possible but doubtful, especially since AMs can transmit only one HD stream and therefore HD1 makes no sense in the context of an AM) or that they are doing it incorrectly. I'd put my money first on your having gotten it wrong and second on Entercom's having screwed up. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: RE: HD Callsigns >> The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the >> ID >> >> I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in >> chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD >> all >> the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. > > It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 10:03:12 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:03:12 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD Message-ID: >>Will *all* AM stations be able to broadcast in HD?<< They can now. >>We all know the racket that WBZ makes from 1010 to 1050 kHz, but what if WBIX were also transmitting HD. Would it affect WBZ's HD signal, or vice-versa? (I doubt WBZ would let it). And WCRN and WEEI are even closer on the dial...would their HD signals interfere with each other or with the analog service?<< The reports that have appeared across the Internet on message boards, remailers and newsgroups seem to confirm that HD on AM has some wide-ranging effects on other stations, and during nighttime propagation conditions those effects can extend for hundreds of miles from the transmitter sites. Bob Savage, the owner of WYSL, 1040 kHz in Avon NY has filed an action with the FCC claiming damaging interference at night from WBZ so as to substantially reduce his nighttime interference-free contour. According to Savage, that interference doesn't exist when WBZ's HD is off. Citadel's DOE has ordered HD operations to cease at night on all the AMs they own, even though nighttime HD operation has been legal since September 14th, because of some reports of interference between Citadel stations and others (including other Citadel stations...for example, WJR and WABC, which are on adjacent channels). To balance things out, it should be noted that at least some HD operations on the AM band don't seem to interfere with other signals. Those DOEs who have posted on the subject of HD-AM claim their occupied bandwidth with the HD carriers on meets FCC specs, and I have absolutely no cause to doubt them. Whether their mask being in spec is an absolute defense against an interference complaint is for the FCC to determine. IMO, with so few HD operations on AM at this point (I think the last figure I saw was 75 stations), it's difficult to say for sure that this system will or will not work, or can be fixed if it's determined that it's broken. YMMV. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 09:50:39 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:50:39 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>If you are right and they are using WVEI-HD1 and not WVEI-FM-HD1, the implication is either that WVEI (AM) 1440 in Worcester is broadcasting in HD (possible but doubtful, especially since AMs can transmit only one HD stream and therefore HD1 makes no sense in the context of an AM) or that they are doing it incorrectly. I'd put my money first on your having gotten it wrong and second on Entercom's having screwed up.<< Your first supposition is correct. The pertinent portion of the ID is "WVEI-FM and WVEI-FM-HD1, Easthampton." We have not converted any of our AMs to HD yet. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From paul@derrynh.net Tue Nov 20 10:10:16 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:10:16 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <000701c82b7f$5a6c7f40$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <001801c82b87$76506a20$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> The ID says.. WEEI-AM Boston WEEI-FM Westerly WVEI-FM and WVEI-HD1 Easthampton WVEI-AM Worcester -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:12 AM To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Ken VanTassell'; 'B-R-I' Subject: Re: HD Callsigns If you are right and they are using WVEI-HD1 and not WVEI-FM-HD1, the implication is either that WVEI (AM) 1440 in Worcester is broadcasting in HD (possible but doubtful, especially since AMs can transmit only one HD stream and therefore HD1 makes no sense in the context of an AM) or that they are doing it incorrectly. I'd put my money first on your having gotten it wrong and second on Entercom's having screwed up. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: RE: HD Callsigns >> The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the >> ID >> >> I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in >> chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD >> all >> the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. > > It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 10:51:42 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:51:42 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 yearson the radio! References: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com><00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <47422492.1050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e701c82b8d$3fe64da0$7c824c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill To: Roger Kolakowski Cc: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 yearson the radio! > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > > Utilizing ex WESX staffers, Rick Moore, Bill Newell, Roger Kolakowski, and > > Bill Cooksey, coverage will start around 7am Thanksgiving day and end post > > game with the long version of Alice's Restaurant and a special Christmas > > song for our troops in the Middle East. > > Good job, WMWM. That's good stuff(ing). Way to tie-in to the > community. WMWM Salem Salem should be congratulated. > > Bill O'Neill > // > Has any other station picked up the Quincy game that used to air on 'ESX's sister station, WJDA? If my memory is correct, WESX used to air at least one other Thanksgiving game via tape delay after the Salem-Beverly game. I'm almost positive I heard a Swampscott-Marblehead game one year. Howard From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 10:43:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:43:02 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD References: <647737520711191228j51ef2810w3cc15090bf50adb4@mail.gmail.com><017b01c82b72$2c6b6140$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <004e01c82b7c$30f71f60$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <001301c82b8c$0a9dd1f0$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> The short answer to your question is "no;" not all AMs will be able to transmit in HD, but not for the reasons you mentioned. Two local examples of stations whose facilities are reportedly unsuited to HD are WHYN in Springfield and WGIR in Manchester NH. Both of these are low-on-the-dial AMs with relatively short towers. I've heard that the bandwidth of these antenna systems is too low to properly transmit the HD sidebands. On the other coast, KJR 950 in Seattle (50 kW-U) is diplexed with KGNW 820 (50 kW-D/5 kW-N). KJR's CE has reported that the filtering requirements, which result from the proximity of several other high-powered Seattle AMs on Vashon Island (710, 770, 1000, 1090), would necessitate equipment that the company cannot economically justify and that would be too large to fit in the Tx building, so there are no plans for KJR to run HD. Meanwhile, Salem, the owner of KGNW, has indicated that it has no current plans for adding HD at any of its AMs. A key issue that was overlooked in the misbegotten design of the AM HD system (and which iBiquity and its acolytes have tried to sweep under the rug) is pattern bandwidth. At night, the vast majority of US AMs use directional antennas. In many cases, the required pattern is achieved only within the channel bandwidth (charitably, about +/- 9.75 kHz from the carrier frequency). Outside of this bandwidth, where the digital sidebands with their extremely high average modulation levels lie, radiation is not suppressed to the degree necessary to protect co-channel and first-adjacent-channel stations. iBiquity's approach to this very real problem is simply to insist that it's not a problem. Those who want to be fooled have been. The problem, however, cannot be fooled into extinction and never will be. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD > With all this discussion of HD the last couple of days, I'd like to > ask a > question of the experts. Will *all* AM stations be able to broadcast > in HD? > I am thinking specifically of the situation between WCRN 830 and > WEEI 850, > and to a lesser extent between WBZ 1030 and WBIX 1060. Here we have > powerful > stations that are very close on the dial to each other. We all know > the > racket that WBZ makes from 1010 to 1050 kHz, but what if WBIX were > also > transmitting HD. Would it affect WBZ's HD signal, or vice-versa? (I > doubt > WBZ would let it). And WCRN and WEEI are even closer on the > dial...would > their HD signals interfere with each other or with the analog > service? > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Jeff Lehmann > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:38 AM > To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'B-R-I' > Subject: RE: HD Callsigns > >> The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the >> ID >> >> I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in >> chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD >> all >> the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. > > It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 11:13:51 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:51 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <001801c82b87$76506a20$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <002701c82b90$58ada880$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> WVEI-HD1 is WRONG; it should be WVEI-FM-HD1! Sid is now aware of the problem. Whether he can persuade anyone who can fix it that it needs to be fixed is another matter. As we all know, Entercom does not own WAMG and WLLH. Chris Hall, the contract CE for these stations has been trying for months to get the ID recut so it says WAMG Dedham, WLLH Lowell AND Lawrence rather than ...Lowell-Lawrence. WLLH is unique in that it has two licensed synchronized transmitters in different cities. The CoLs are supposed to be joined by AND to differentiate WLLH from the thousands of stations that (legally) append (via hyphenation) additional cities to their CoLs. If after at least six months of trying, Chris has been unable to get the WAMG GM or PD to get the voice-over guy to recut the WAMG/WLLH ID, what hope is there that Entercom will cut a new ID that gets WVEI-FM-HD1 correct? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; "'Jeff Lehmann'" ; "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: RE: HD Callsigns > The ID says.. > > WEEI-AM Boston > WEEI-FM Westerly > WVEI-FM and WVEI-HD1 Easthampton > WVEI-AM Worcester > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:12 AM > To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Ken VanTassell'; 'B-R-I' > Subject: Re: HD Callsigns > > If you are right and they are using WVEI-HD1 and not WVEI-FM-HD1, > the > implication is either that WVEI (AM) 1440 in Worcester is > broadcasting > in HD (possible but doubtful, especially since AMs can transmit only > one HD stream and therefore HD1 makes no sense in the context of an > AM) or that they are doing it incorrectly. I'd put my money first on > your having gotten it wrong and second on Entercom's having screwed > up. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Lehmann" > To: "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM > Subject: RE: HD Callsigns > > >>> The WEEI legal ID now Lists WVEI-FM HD2 as a seperate part of the >>> ID >>> >>> I have a HD radio in my car and the coverage on that radio here in >>> chelmsford is pretty bad. The Boston stations go in and out of HD >>> all >>> the time so the HD-2 channels are all but useless. >> >> It's actually "WVEI-FM and WVEI HD1" that they've added to the ID. >> >> Jeff Lehmann >> Hanson, MA >> > From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 11:22:30 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:22:30 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD Message-ID: >>Why should Citadel care whether someone 200 miles from New York City can hear a Detroit station, or vice versa? Is WJR selling Syracuse to its advertisers as a market they can reach? As for WYSL ... geez, I've been a BCB enthusiast for years, but even I realize that the stations on the band are intended to serve their cities of license and immediate areas, not DXers in far-off cities with local broadcasters of their own. How, exactly, is WYSL's complaint actionable? Seems to me that as long as people in Avon and its immediate vicinity can hear WYSL, any other listeners the station might lose to IBOC splatter from WBZ don't matter, right?<< I don't know the specifics on the Citadel situation, other than at least one report I've seen on the Internet which claims that WJR and WABC were interfering with each other at night. Since both stations rely on national and network advertising, and since those buys are related in part to station coverage at night (even outside the NIF contours), that could directly affect the bottom line. Bob Savage is claiming that the interference from WBZ is reducing the nighttime interference-free contour of WYSL...that is, the coverage he is supposed to have *inside* his community of license. That's apparently the nut that has to be dealt with on AM-HD...that, if one believes the reports, the interference from the HD carriers at night affects stations hundreds of miles away. This has nothing to do with ticking off DXers. This is (again, according to the claims) reducing coverage of a station in its community of license that it had previously, and upon which its business was built. Savage is claiming (and states that he has engineering data to back up those claims) that people formerly served by WYSL's nighttime signal can no longer hear it. His view is that the FCC has officially sanctioned interference which harms his ability to do business. What the FCC will do with this claim and the submitted engineering data is anyone's guess at this point. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 11:06:43 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:06:43 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD References: Message-ID: <00f801c82b8f$58b60260$7c824c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: 'B-R-I' Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD > >>Will *all* AM stations be able to broadcast in HD?<< > > They can now. > > >>We all know the racket that WBZ makes from 1010 to 1050 kHz, but what > if WBIX were also > transmitting HD. Would it affect WBZ's HD signal, or vice-versa? (I > doubt > WBZ would let it). And WCRN and WEEI are even closer on the > dial...would > their HD signals interfere with each other or with the analog > service?<< > > The reports that have appeared across the Internet on message boards, > remailers and newsgroups seem to confirm that HD on AM has some > wide-ranging effects on other stations, and during nighttime propagation > conditions those effects can extend for hundreds of miles from the > transmitter sites. Bob Savage, the owner of WYSL, 1040 kHz in Avon NY > has filed an action with the FCC claiming damaging interference at night > from WBZ so as to substantially reduce his nighttime interference-free > contour. According to Savage, that interference doesn't exist when > WBZ's HD is off. Citadel's DOE has ordered HD operations to cease at > night on all the AMs they own, even though nighttime HD operation has > been legal since September 14th, because of some reports of interference > between Citadel stations and others (including other Citadel > stations...for example, WJR and WABC, which are on adjacent channels). Why should Citadel care whether someone 200 miles from New York City can hear a Detroit station, or vice versa? Is WJR selling Syracuse to its advertisers as a market they can reach? As for WYSL ... geez, I've been a BCB enthusiast for years, but even I realize that the stations on the band are intended to serve their cities of license and immediate areas, not DXers in far-off cities with local broadcasters of their own. How, exactly, is WYSL's complaint actionable? Seems to me that as long as people in Avon and its immediate vicinity can hear WYSL, any other listeners the station might lose to IBOC splatter from WBZ don't matter, right? Howard From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Nov 20 11:51:19 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:51:19 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <002701c82b90$58ada880$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > WVEI-HD1 is WRONG; it should be WVEI-FM-HD1! Sid is now aware of the > problem. Isn't WEEI-AM Boston and WVEI-AM Worcester also wrong? They do ID them correctly in the ID right before the sports flash at the top of each hour, but the ID going into breaks has all 4. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 12:11:00 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:11:00 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD References: Message-ID: <004201c82b98$546b4a40$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> The digital sidebands do not merely affect reception of first-adjacent-channel stations "200 miles from the transmitter." The interference can be quite audible well within the protected local service area of the affected station. A Canadian broadcast engineer, Barry McLarnon (Google him), has done a lot of careful analysis and has written extensively on this subject. In the case of WABC and WJR, I've read that the interefence begins at something like the 13 mV/m (groundwave) contour of each station. Note that I said groundwave. When IBOC is in use, skywave service, which is supposedly protected down to the 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contours of these Class A AMs, must be completely decimated on many nights. In WABC's case, the interference to the groundwave signal probably occurs well within the five boroughs of New York City (parts of Queens and Staten Island), not to mention suburban Nassau, Westchester, and Fairfield Counties. For WJR, it must certainly occur well within the Detroit metro. There have been reports of objectionable interference to KDKA from WBZ within the Pittsburgh city limits. If WBAL is running IBOC at night, it must seriously interfere with WTIC well within the Hartford metro. Meanwhile, KDKA must cause objectionable interference to CFRB within the Toronto city limits. The first-adjacent problem is so severe because of the very high modulation levels on the digital sidebands. Even though the sideband power sounds modest, the nature of the modulation makes the effective power considerably higher. And the sidebands fall squarely on top of the first-adjacent channels. The effect is even easily noticeable on the second-adjacent channel. Try listening to WINS's killer skywave signal here at night. WBZ's lower digital sideband often completely inundates WINS. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns --> Question re AM HD >>>Why should Citadel care whether someone 200 miles from New York >>>City > can > hear a Detroit station, or vice versa? Is WJR selling Syracuse to > its > advertisers as a market they can reach? As for WYSL ... geez, I've > been > a > BCB enthusiast for years, but even I realize that the stations on > the > band > are intended to serve their cities of license and immediate areas, > not > DXers > in far-off cities with local broadcasters of their own. How, > exactly, > is > WYSL's complaint actionable? Seems to me that as long as people in > Avon > and > its immediate vicinity can hear WYSL, any other listeners the > station > might > lose to IBOC splatter from WBZ don't matter, right?<< > > I don't know the specifics on the Citadel situation, other than at > least one report I've seen on the Internet which claims that WJR and > WABC were interfering with each other at night. Since both stations > rely on national and network advertising, and since those buys are > related in part to station coverage at night (even outside the NIF > contours), that could directly affect the bottom line. Bob Savage > is > claiming that the interference from WBZ is reducing the nighttime > interference-free contour of WYSL...that is, the coverage he is > supposed > to have *inside* his community of license. That's apparently the > nut > that has to be dealt with on AM-HD...that, if one believes the > reports, > the interference from the HD carriers at night affects stations > hundreds > of miles away. This has nothing to do with ticking off DXers. This > is > (again, according to the claims) reducing coverage of a station in > its > community of license that it had previously, and upon which its > business > was built. Savage is claiming (and states that he has engineering > data > to back up those claims) that people formerly served by WYSL's > nighttime > signal can no longer hear it. His view is that the FCC has > officially > sanctioned interference which harms his ability to do business. > What > the FCC will do with this claim and the submitted engineering data > is > anyone's guess at this point. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF > WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 12:20:52 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:20:52 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. Maybe the listeners who have gotten used to WEEI's 15-minute-long stop sets have become inured to long breaks in the program content, so they may be able to endure what sounds like an interminable ID (like the ones you hear on strings of religious translators). Also, until WVEI-FM starts transmitting HD2 and/or HD3 streams, they could probably dispense with the 1 ;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; ; "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: RE: HD Callsigns >> WVEI-HD1 is WRONG; it should be WVEI-FM-HD1! Sid is now aware of >> the >> problem. > > Isn't WEEI-AM Boston and WVEI-AM Worcester also wrong? They do ID > them > correctly in the ID right before the sports flash at the top of each > hour, > but the ID going into breaks has all 4. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From rogerkola@aol.com Tue Nov 20 11:34:08 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:34:08 -0500 Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 yearsonthe radio! References: <20071119201209.EEAA2103B7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com><00c601c82b08$119d18a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray><47422492.1050901@gmail.com> <00e701c82b8d$3fe64da0$7c824c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006101c82b93$2c8723a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I believe the Quincy Game was broadcast last year and I found the following notes for this year: >The 2007 season marks the 7th year of high school football brought to you by MWL >Sports. >This year our network of stations includes: >1570AM - WPEP *(off air) >1530AM - WVBF >1480AM - WSAR >Games listed with "(w)" after the station call letters will also be available to >listen to live on the web. >Th 11/22 9:45am 1150AM (w) Quincy v. N. Quincy and: >Following last year's successful webcast of the Quincy/North Quincy on >Thanksgiving of last year WBZ decided to expand our coverage of games. All >games begin at 10:00am An update on the Salem/Beverly matchup is that Salem Cable TV will be carrying the audio feed from WMWM-FM on Local Access. Roger ex WESX 1230 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill O'Neill > To: Roger Kolakowski > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 yearson > the radio! > > > > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > > > Utilizing ex WESX staffers, Rick Moore, Bill Newell, Roger Kolakowski, > and > > > Bill Cooksey, coverage will start around 7am Thanksgiving day and end > post > > > game with the long version of Alice's Restaurant and a special Christmas > > > song for our troops in the Middle East. > > > > Good job, WMWM. That's good stuff(ing). Way to tie-in to the > > community. WMWM Salem Salem should be congratulated. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > // > > > > Has any other station picked up the Quincy game that used to air on 'ESX's > sister station, WJDA? > > If my memory is correct, WESX used to air at least one other Thanksgiving > game via tape delay after the Salem-Beverly game. I'm almost positive I > heard a Swampscott-Marblehead game one year. > > Howard > > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 12:51:11 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:51:11 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47431E8F.9040905@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI > Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM > Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. Isn't this right about the point at which Garrett exhumes his well-paced post on the wild and whacky world of legal station identification? One has to assume that he doesn't file it too far away for easy access! Cue the organist! ;-) Bill O'Neill / / From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 20 16:19:16 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:19:16 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1><004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> <47431E8F.9040905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c82bbb$0378b460$16ada742@SatU205S5044> Actually, I think (especially at this time of year) the ID should end with "and a partRI-I-IDGE in a pear tree-e-e-e." ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "'B-R-I'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be >> WEEI >> Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM >> Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. > > Isn't this right about the point at which Garrett exhumes his > well-paced post on the wild and whacky world of legal station > identification? One has to assume that he doesn't file it too far > away for easy access! Cue the organist! ;-) > > Bill O'Neill > > > / > > / From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 15:20:48 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:20:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Radio Tradition: North Shore Salem- Beverly Football 48 yearsonthe radio! In-Reply-To: <006101c82b93$2c8723a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <403230.97648.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> According to MWL Sports' Web site -- MWL stands for Mike (presumably W.) Logan -- the Quincy/North game will air on WTTT 1150. Mike did games for a few years on WJDA; I can't remember if football was part of his portfolio. (For a while, he did just basketball and hockey on WJDA.) Mike's also done BC High games for WWZN this year, and he's done a good job with those broadcasts. The color guy he had working with him was good, too. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 18:02:31 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:02:31 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption.<< "Uncle" already. I've been told it will be fixed. Counsel agreed that there is no "-AM" suffix and that the HD1 ID belongs with the FM and not the AM. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 20 18:24:05 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:24:05 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47436C95.6050901@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI > Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM > Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption.<< > > "Uncle" already. > > I've been told it will be fixed. Counsel agreed that there is no "-AM" > suffix and that the HD1 ID belongs with the FM and not the AM. Hey Sid... Can you get your employer to call my part-time employer and straighten them out accordingly? :-) s (not speaking in any official capacity for the so-called "WXXI-AM Rochester"...) From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 18:29:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:29:20 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>Hey Sid... Can you get your employer to call my part-time employer and straighten them out accordingly? :-) s (not speaking in any official capacity for the so-called "WXXI-AM Rochester"...)<< I've been through this at other companies too. Funny how one of the few FCC rules whose wording is relatively clear gets misinterpreted so often. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From markwats@comcast.net Tue Nov 20 18:48:17 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:17 -0500 Subject: The End Of An Era: Maurice Cohen Now The Former Owner Of WCAP Message-ID: <000801c82bcf$d3b9e860$738d764c@Mark> WCAP Lowell is now officially in the hands of Clark Smidt & Sam Poulten, as they sat down this afternoon with Maurice Cohen to sign the papers to consumate the sale of the station. Certainly a bittersweet day for Maurice Cohen, as he hands off control of the radio station that he started along with his late brother Ike. WCAP signed on the air June 10,1951 and he has spent the last 56 years there, assuming full control of the station when Ike passed several years ago. Clark Smidt announced the completion of the sale at 5:35 this afternoon on the "Afternoon Live" show, even staying around till the end of the show at 6 to take calls from listeners, many of them suggesting ideas to Clark on what they would like to hear. A few changes took place yesterday and earlier today prior to the completion of the sale: last night saw the debut of "Beatles & Beyond", with liners voiced by Clark, which features oldies from roughly 1955-1969, with 3 Beatles songs an hour. This will run from 7PM to 5AM, replacing "Music & Memories". Also yesterday, new intros to the news and weather started running, along with new top of hour ID's, voiced by Dick Summer. There's also one that's voiced by Joe MacMillan. There will be more changes coming down the road, along with a makeover of the WCAP "Broadcast Museum", as new gear will be making it's way up the famed staircase. For now, WCAP's studios will continue to be where they've been since 6/10/51. I wish Clark & Sam all the best as they take WCAP into a new era and work to lure listeners and advertisers back to WCAP. I also congratulate Maurice Cohen on a remarkable 56 year run, and despite all the many offers for big bucks that were thrown his way over the years, he refused to sell until he felt the time was right and to sell to who he felt would continue to keep WCAP locally owned and operated like he had done. And Maurice still has an office under the new ownership, as was mentioned when the sale was first announced in August. He will remain with WCAP in an advisory role, which is a fitting tribute to all the years of Maurice & Ike Cohen's dedication to locally owned radio. Mark Watson From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 20 18:49:53 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:49:53 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474372A1.8060706@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > I've been through this at other companies too. Funny how one of the > few FCC rules whose wording is relatively clear gets misinterpreted so > often. I think it may be something in the public radio water. Seems like just about any pubcaster with an AM license feels compelled to do their "legal" IDs accordingly - I've heard it at "WNED-AM Buffalo," "WNYC-AM New York," "WOSU-AM Columbus," and plenty of others. Do "WBUR-AM West Yarmouth," "WFPB-AM Orleans" and "WRNI-AM Providence" do it that way, too? It's been a while since I've paid any attention... s From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Nov 20 18:53:17 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:53:17 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <474372A1.8060706@fybush.com> References: <474372A1.8060706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18243.29549.573854.859782@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Do "WBUR-AM West Yarmouth," "WFPB-AM Orleans" and "WRNI-AM Providence" > do it that way, too? West Yarmouth, yes; Orleans, don't know; Providence, not the last time I heard (but that was before the sale was announced). 'BUR also gets WCCT-FM Harwich wrong, in the opposite way. Is there anything local on Harwich and Sandwich any more? I know 'BUR identifies them every hour.... -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Tue Nov 20 18:53:41 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:53:41 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>Do "WBUR-AM West Yarmouth," "WFPB-AM Orleans" and "WRNI-AM Providence" do it that way, too? It's been a while since I've paid any attention...<< I couldn't say about the latter two. WBUR(AM) was doing the ID correctly when I was on the Cape last summer. Sid From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 21 00:30:39 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:30:39 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>, <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47437C2F.15770.53D79F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Nov 2007 at 12:20, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI > Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM > Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. Is -HD1 part of the call letters? I've also heard "WBZ and WBZ-HD" Are there actually separate call letters for the HD signals? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Nov 21 00:55:17 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:55:17 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>, <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> <47437C2F.15770.53D79F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001001c82c03$1800f8a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> The real question is: Are FCC mandated ID Requirements "minimum" requirements or are they "specific" requirements? I'm sure "extra" information in a "legal" id would never be construed as a violation of rules. What say Barristers? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; ; "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns > On 20 Nov 2007 at 12:20, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > > Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI > > Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM > > Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. > > Is -HD1 part of the call letters? I've also heard "WBZ and WBZ-HD" > Are there actually separate call letters for the HD signals? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Nov 21 01:08:26 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:08:26 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns - spam created References: Message-ID: <002e01c82c04$f2dfbe60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Why would I bother? From: mclaneco.com e-mail Management ----- Original Message ----- From: "mclaneco.com e-mail Management" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: RE: Re: HD Callsigns > An e-mail you have just sent to phopfga@mclaneco.com is > being held until you complete a simple one-time-only registration. > > To verify you are a real person, just click on the link below: > http://antispam.mclaneco.com/455473951764701 > > That's it! You're done! Your original message will be on its way. > > This one-time registration allows you to send messages to phopfga@mclaneco.com. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > E-mail protection provided by SpamLion.com (800) 761-SPAM. > (c) 2001-2007 SpamLion, Inc. All rights reserved. Patents Pending >Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be WEEI >Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM >Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption.<< >"Uncle" already. >I've been told it will be fixed. Counsel agreed that there is no "-AM" >suffix and that the HD1 ID belongs with the FM and not the AM. >Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Nov 21 01:39:44 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:39:44 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <001001c82c03$1800f8a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> <47437C2F.15770.53D79F@joe.attorneyross.com> <001001c82c03$1800f8a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <18243.53936.477690.892371@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The real question is: > Are FCC mandated ID Requirements "minimum" requirements or are they > "specific" requirements? > I'm sure "extra" information in a "legal" id would never be construed as a > violation of rules. The rules (before the most recent amendment) were quite clear that "no other insertion is permissible". See 47 CFR 73.1201. Believe it or not, but Federal regulations are supposed to be written so that you don't have to be a lawyer to understand them. (That said, it is always wise to consult one before *relying* on a particular interpretation.) When a word or phrase is not otherwise defined by the law, even the Supreme Court will on occasion condescend to examine a standard English dictionary to elucidate its meaning. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 08:32:23 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:32:23 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <019501c82b95$93129850$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>, <004c01c82b99$b5939d80$a6eda644@SatU205S5044> <47437C2F.15770.53D79F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002201c82c42$f55437a0$63f8a742@SatU205S5044> WVEI-FM-HD1 is indeed the call sign of WVEI-FM's first HD stream. AFAIK, WVEI-FM does not currently transmit HD2 or HD3 streams, but someone in Entercom management must be thinking of the day when there will be at least an HD2 stream. Otherwise, why not simply WVEI-FM-HD? (In fact, if it were just WVEI-FM-HD and the station later added an HD2 stream, would it be necessary to change the calls of the original stream to WVEI-FM-HD1? Or would the FCC allow the streams to be designated as HD and HD2? Considering how arcane--and how long--the various call signs are becoming, I don't see a problem with -HD and -HD2.) And yes, WBZ-HD is the legal call sign of WBZ's HD stream. Every HD stream has its own call sign and all HD radio call signs begin with the call letters of the station that transmits the stream. The legal IDs of stations that are simulcasting their analog transmissions on HD streams must include the legal ID of the HD stream that carries the simulcast--hence, WBZ Boston, WBZ-HD Boston. Note that, to play it safe with the rule that prohibits extra verbiage in the legal ID, WBZ does not even use AND between the analog and HD IDs. Interesting, isn't it, that HD Radio is a registered trademark of iBiquity. This probably marks the first time that the FCC has REQUIRED broadcasting stations to use a private company's intellectual property as part of the call signs the stations are required to use to identify themselves on the--allegedly public--airwaves. As I understand it, iBiquity claims that the HD in HD Radio stands for nothing. Most people assume that it stands for high-definition. My understanding is that the HD in HDTV DOES stand for high-definition but the HD in HD Radio does not. I have even seen postings elsewhere that INSIST that the HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital. That would make sense because it is a concise description of the technology, but I don't think that, officially, the letters stand for hybrid digital. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; ; "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns > On 20 Nov 2007 at 12:20, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Yes, officially, -AM is not part of AM calls. So the ID should be >> WEEI >> Boston, WVEI Worcester, WEEI-FM, Westerly-Providence, WVEI-FM >> Easthamption-Springfield, and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthamption. > > Is -HD1 part of the call letters? I've also heard "WBZ and WBZ-HD" > Are there actually separate call letters for the HD signals? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 21 09:08:26 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:08:26 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <002201c82c42$f55437a0$63f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <004201c82c47$ff870cc0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> They (Entercom) have fixed the legal! The Legal at 8:00AM said WEEI Boston WEEI-FM Westerly WVEI-FM and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthampton and WVEI Worcester. Fast work in response (I would suppose) to this list serve -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 09:52:08 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:52:08 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>They (Entercom) have fixed the legal! The Legal at 8:00AM said WEEI Boston WEEI-FM Westerly WVEI-FM and WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthampton and WVEI Worcester. Fast work in response (I would suppose) to this list serve<< You suppose correctly. Thanks to all for bringing it to our attention. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 10:10:04 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:10:04 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night Message-ID: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> I was trying to listen to the Bruins game on BZ last night and around Hartford I lost the signal completly to HASH from KDKA-HD Seriously are we looking at HD being a daytime only service in the future? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 10:42:34 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:42:34 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <004201c82c47$ff870cc0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000f01c82c55$247ad090$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> This is totally niggling and not something I would expect even the FCC to care about BUT what you report does not conform to the letter of the FCC rule as Garrett reported it. Specifically, the first "and" should be replaced by "Easthampton," notwithstanding that another instance of Easthampton appears just one call sign later. As Garrett pointed out, no additional verbiage is permitted. The "and" between the second "Easthampton" and "WVEI" is fine because that "and" is not part of any ID. But lumping two sets of calls with a single instance of the CoL appears to violate the letter of the (stupid) rule. IOW, the ID should be: WEEI Boston, WEEI-FM Westerly, WVEI-FM Easthampton, WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthampton, and WVEI Worcester. Please don't skewer me for nit-picking; I've already acknowledged that this is a niggling correction that not even the FCC probably gives a damn about. But according to the letter of the (idiotic) rule, the ID requires another correction. With rules of this trivial nature, once you say something that doesn't conform is OK because it lives up to the spirit of the rule, you have opened the floodgates for all manner of creative modifications, some of which will, inevitably, not even live up to the spirit. I guess we pay bureaucrats to make stupid rules of this sort. However, you get my niggling error reports for free;>) Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Jeff Lehmann'" ; "'Ken VanTassell'" ; "'B-R-I'" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: RE: HD Callsigns > They (Entercom) have fixed the legal! > > The Legal at 8:00AM said WEEI Boston WEEI-FM Westerly WVEI-FM and > WVEI-FM-HD1 Easthampton and WVEI Worcester. > > Fast work in response (I would suppose) to this list serve > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 10:52:28 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:52:28 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <4fc429770711210647j448c6bd3w52b40fe49c5bf633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c82c56$86cadaf0$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> You're gonna need Donna to give you a definitive answer and even she may not have the info. but you can make a pretty good educated guess: 640 would have been covered by 590, 680, 740 (maybe), 850, 950, and 1030. 1240 would have been covered by 1090, 1150, 1260, 1300 (maybe), 1360, 1430, 1510, and 1600. That would have put at least five transmitters, switching in round-robin fashion, on each of the two ConElRad frequencies. Should have worked as planned (that is, not too well) without significant gaps. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Conelrad in Boston area > Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be > transmitted > by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. > > I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and > perhaps > it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and > listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions. > > Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass? From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 10:58:39 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:58:39 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>Please don't skewer me for nit-picking; I've already acknowledged that this is a niggling correction that not even the FCC probably gives a damn about. But according to the letter of the (idiotic) rule, the ID requires another correction.<< I will not claim to speak for my company, but if we get fined for the word "the" in the legal ID, I will personally haul up the black flag and start slitting throats. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Nov 21 11:03:04 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:03:04 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I was trying to listen to the Bruins game on BZ last night and around > Hartford I lost the signal completly to HASH from KDKA-HD > Seriously are we looking at HD being a daytime only service in the future? I've long believed that the AM hybrid digital system is a botch, but stations aren't interested in my opinion.[1] The digital-only mode would work better, probably as well as DRM does, but in the absence of receivers there's no reason why any owner would want to do that. When I spoke to him a couple of years ago, Glynn Walden was convinced that going all-digital, and taking marginal signals off the air, was The Way to deal with the interference problem. -GAWollman [1] Of course, I've also long believed that class-A stations (and class-B stations with significant nighttime service areas) should be required to offer unique programming during the hours of darkness; to run all-satellite at night like so many do is a waste of spectrum. That ship sailed three decades ago. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Nov 21 11:05:44 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:44 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18244.22360.980219.933855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I will not claim to speak for my company, but if we get fined for the > word "the" in the legal ID, I will personally haul up the black flag and > start slitting throats. One thing that puzzles me about this discussion, Sid: every time I've listened to one of the WEEI stations, there has been a separate ID. When did you stop doing this? You still have to have separate automation for the local spots, right? -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 11:13:11 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:13:11 -0700 Subject: HD Callsigns Message-ID: >>every time I've listened to one of the WEEI stations, there has been a separate ID. When did you stop doing this? You still have to have separate automation for the local spots, right?<< It was relatively recently, but I can't give you an exact date on which it changed. Not my department. And yes, we still split the stations for some of the spot breaks. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 11:19:43 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:19:43 -0700 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: >>You're gonna need Donna to give you a definitive answer and even she may not have the info.<< I'd almost bet Donna doesn't know, because to my almost-certain knowledge, the frequency distribution plan was top-secret so as not to tip off the enemy. ConElRad's participating stations were, AFAIK, ordered to keep their emergency plans secret as well (i.e., whether or not they'd stay on the air under ConElRad and which frequency they'd use). The whole idea was to cripple the direction-finding capability of the enemy by placing all AM transmitters which were still on the air on one of only two frequencies, and I seriously doubt that even the too-often-dense government types would have let that information become public knowledge. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From scott@fybush.com Wed Nov 21 11:22:10 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:22:10 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47445B32.1030903@fybush.com> I disagree, and rather strongly at that, with Dan's assertion that "WBZ-HD" or "WVEI-FM-HD1" constitutes a "callsign" within the meaning of 73.1201. Fact is, I see nothing ANYWHERE in 47CFR73, or in the FCC's own databases, for that matter, that codifies the "WXXX-HD" naming convention that the industry has chosen to employ, and the most current wording of 73.1201(b)(1) certainly doesn't mandate it, either: "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio broadcast." Perhaps one of the lawyers on the list could tell me why it would be a violation of the letter of 1201(b)(1) to identify thusly: "850 WEEI Boston, 1440 WVEI Worcester, 103.7 WEEI-FM Westerly, and 105.5 WVEI-FM Easthampton, now broadcasting in HD Digital radio." In summary: my contention is that "WVEI-FM-HD1" is simply an identifier ("in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience...") for one of the digital audio streams of the station whose callsign remains simply "WVEI-FM," and that the "WVEI-FM Easthampton" legal ID, with the "permissible insertion" of the digital broadcast identifier, is perfectly adequate and legal. Similarly, it's my understanding, from seeing the way the FCC handles such matters internally, that the digital TV signal now operating on channel 30 in Boston is actually part of the license whose facility ID is 25456 and whose callsign is "WBZ-TV," and that such license also includes (until 2/17/09) authority to operate in the analog mode on channel 4, and therefore that any identification as "WBZ-DT" is simply a means of alerting the audience that it's viewing a digital broadcast, and not a legal station identification under a strict interpretation of 73.1201. I suspect this piece of the rules will be massively misinterpreted come 2/17/09; I'm already seeing some signals that have gone digital-only identifying exclusively as "WXXX-DT Wherever," which is not at all what it says on their licenses. Personal opinion: I don't think the latest revisions to 73.1201 were handled well at all. There's far too much confusion right now about what is and is not a legal callsign, particularly in light of the fact that the FCC really doesn't care that much about calls anyway, having gone to internal identification by unchanging facility numbers. The "appropriately alerts its audience" language is painfully vague, leading to massive amounts of, IMHO, on-air clutter that's neither in the letter nor the spirit of the rule. IANAL, etc... s From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 11:35:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:35:46 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770711210835i4440a690sc883f85c5478edba@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/07, Sid Schweiger wrote: I seriously doubt that even the > too-often-dense government types would have let that information become > public knowledge. > This is the same government that had me shut dowm WMUR-TV one Saturday morning when this came over the AP wire THIS IS NOT A TEST. THIS IS AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY. THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES IS UNDER ATTACK BY A FORIEGN POWER. REPEAT. THIS IS NOT A TEST THIS IS AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY Then the password was a match YIKES Every Sat morning and Sunday night they would run the test at the exact same time. I think WMUR and WRKO were the only stations that actually "complied" in this area. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 11:36:31 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:36:31 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> <18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002c01c82c5c$ae485b10$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> But you've now put your finger on what I believe is the biggest botch of all in the system. As I understand it (and apparently as you also understand it), the system incorporates no provision for software upgrades to the receivers that would allow them to receive digital-only AM-band HD Radio signals--that is, signals that contained no conventional analog modulation and whose digital modulation was moved inward toward the main carrier to occupy the spectrum vacated by the analog modulation (thus freeing up at least part of the first-adjacent-channel spectra). Please correct me if I am wrong about this Achilles heel of iBiquity's technology. BTW, when I asked Glynn Walden about it, he declared most vehemently that software upgradeability of the receivers would be an unnecessary complication. I gathered from his vehemence that the subject had come up previously in discussions within iBiquity. It was right after I heard his vehement denunciation of receiver software upgreability that I completely wrote off any contributions he might have made to the system. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night > < said: > >> I was trying to listen to the Bruins game on BZ last night and >> around >> Hartford I lost the signal completly to HASH from KDKA-HD > >> Seriously are we looking at HD being a daytime only service in the >> future? > > I've long believed that the AM hybrid digital system is a botch, but > stations aren't interested in my opinion.[1] The digital-only mode > would work better, probably as well as DRM does, but in the absence > of > receivers there's no reason why any owner would want to do that. > When > I spoke to him a couple of years ago, Glynn Walden was convinced > that > going all-digital, and taking marginal signals off the air, was The > Way to deal with the interference problem. > > -GAWollman > > [1] Of course, I've also long believed that class-A stations (and > class-B stations with significant nighttime service areas) should be > required to offer unique programming during the hours of darkness; > to > run all-satellite at night like so many do is a waste of spectrum. > That ship sailed three decades ago. From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 11:47:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:20 -0700 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: >>This is the same government that had me shut dowm WMUR-TV one Saturday morning when this came over the AP wire THIS IS NOT A TEST. THIS IS AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY. THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES IS UNDER ATTACK BY A FORIEGN POWER. REPEAT. THIS IS NOT A TEST THIS IS AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY Then the password was a match YIKES Every Sat morning and Sunday night they would run the test at the exact same time. I think WMUR and WRKO were the only stations that actually "complied" in this area.<< I have a copy of the UPI teletype messages from that morning...Saturday, February 20th, 1971. Yes, the weekly wire-services EBS test was done at the same time every week, 9:33 AM on Saturday. It was run by an operator at NORAD headquarters in Colorado Springs. A paper-punch tape was taken off a shelf, threaded into a teletype machine, and a button pressed to interrupt the wire services and transmit the test. On this particular Saturday morning, according to someone on another remailer I subscribe to who knew the people involved, the operator had been to a party the night before, and grabbed the wrong tape. The comical part of this whole fiasco (if any of it can be called comical) was that there were separate authenticator words for the beginning and the ending of the alerts (if you old-timers have ever opened the dreaded Red Envelope, you know what I'm referring to). They tried to cancel the alert the first time using the same authenticator word as for the beginning of the alert. They got it right the second time. This is, however, an entirely separate issue from that of what materials are classified by the government. Government's tendency is to classify too much, not too little. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 21 11:54:15 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:54:15 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071121165417.C68941B67FC@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 11:19 AM 11/21/2007, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>You're gonna need Donna to give you a definitive answer and even she >may not have the info.<< > >I'd almost bet Donna doesn't know, because to my almost-certain >knowledge, the frequency distribution plan was top-secret so as not to >tip off the enemy. True, that. I knew a lot about the history of Conelrad, but us mere mortals were not told much more than what frequencies (640 and 1240 iirc) to tune to in case of an enemy attack... From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 12:01:06 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:01:06 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns References: <47445B32.1030903@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003d01c82c60$1d844770$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Well, OK. I won't use the term call-sign in this context. But how does it reduce confusion to use both identifiers, and to thereby suggest to the vast majority of the audience--who are, in fact, listening to the analog transmission--that they are listening to a digital transmission? Since the digital stream can contain info that the receiver can display, wouldn't the requirement of the rule be met by transmitting the identifier of the digital stream so that it would be displayed on HD receivers but would not be audible to listeners to the analog transmission (or the digital stream)? Or do I still not understand? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: "'B-R-I'" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns >I disagree, and rather strongly at that, with Dan's assertion that >"WBZ-HD" or "WVEI-FM-HD1" constitutes a "callsign" within the meaning >of 73.1201. > > Fact is, I see nothing ANYWHERE in 47CFR73, or in the FCC's own > databases, for that matter, that codifies the "WXXX-HD" naming > convention that the industry has chosen to employ, and the most > current wording of 73.1201(b)(1) certainly doesn't mandate it, > either: > > "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid > mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast > audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its > audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio > broadcast." > > Perhaps one of the lawyers on the list could tell me why it would be > a violation of the letter of 1201(b)(1) to identify thusly: > > "850 WEEI Boston, 1440 WVEI Worcester, 103.7 WEEI-FM Westerly, and > 105.5 WVEI-FM Easthampton, now broadcasting in HD Digital radio." > > In summary: my contention is that "WVEI-FM-HD1" is simply an > identifier ("in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience...") > for one of the digital audio streams of the station whose callsign > remains simply "WVEI-FM," and that the "WVEI-FM Easthampton" legal > ID, with the "permissible insertion" of the digital broadcast > identifier, is perfectly adequate and legal. > > Similarly, it's my understanding, from seeing the way the FCC > handles such matters internally, that the digital TV signal now > operating on channel 30 in Boston is actually part of the license > whose facility ID is 25456 and whose callsign is "WBZ-TV," and that > such license also includes (until 2/17/09) authority to operate in > the analog mode on channel 4, and therefore that any identification > as "WBZ-DT" is simply a means of alerting the audience that it's > viewing a digital broadcast, and not a legal station identification > under a strict interpretation of 73.1201. I suspect this piece of > the rules will be massively misinterpreted come 2/17/09; I'm already > seeing some signals that have gone digital-only identifying > exclusively as "WXXX-DT Wherever," which is not at all what it says > on their licenses. > > Personal opinion: I don't think the latest revisions to 73.1201 were > handled well at all. There's far too much confusion right now about > what is and is not a legal callsign, particularly in light of the > fact that the FCC really doesn't care that much about calls anyway, > having gone to internal identification by unchanging facility > numbers. The "appropriately alerts its audience" language is > painfully vague, leading to massive amounts of, IMHO, on-air clutter > that's neither in the letter nor the spirit of the rule. > > IANAL, etc... > > s From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 21 12:03:18 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:18 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:10 AM -0500 11/21/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I was trying to listen to the Bruins game on BZ last night and around >Hartford I lost the signal completly to HASH from KDKA-HD Hash! Corned beef? :-) Seriously, can you be sure the hash was from that, or any, specific station? I would think that without some serious test equipment it's impossible to say for sure what station such interference is coming from. I think you would need something that can read the digital encoding. >Seriously are we looking at HD being a daytime only service in the future? I think that depends upon if the FCC gets enough complaints about interference within the primary contours from the stations that are being interfered with. I presume you are referring to AM HD only. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 21 12:06:42 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:06:42 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <000f01c82c55$247ad090$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <004201c82c47$ff870cc0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <000f01c82c55$247ad090$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 10:42 AM -0500 11/21/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But according to the letter of the (idiotic) rule, the ID >requires another correction. I also find it bizarre, and perhaps also idiotic, that the required ID must include the name of the city, but not the state. Thus you have to rush to the reference books when a station id's as Springfield. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 21 12:10:19 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:10:19 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night In-Reply-To: <18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> <18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 11:03 AM -0500 11/21/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: >I spoke to him a couple of years ago, Glynn Walden was convinced that >going all-digital, and taking marginal signals off the air, was The >Way to deal with the interference problem. Who is Glynn Walden? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:15:43 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:15:43 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711210915y370ddf5j7bdd02865fade066@mail.gmail.com> Educated guess it was KDKA which was coming in like a local. Funny thing is that KDKA was having no problem with WINS but I was getting hash on 1000 where WMVP should have been heard easily. On 11/21/07, Larry Weil wrote: > Seriously, can you be sure the hash was from that, or any, specific > station? I would think that without some serious test equipment it's > impossible to say for sure what station such interference is coming > from. I think you would need something that can read the digital > encoding. > > >Seriously are we looking at HD being a daytime only service in the future? > > I think that depends upon if the FCC gets enough complaints about > interference within the primary contours from the stations that are > being interfered with. I presume you are referring to AM HD only. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 21 12:16:01 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:16:01 -0700 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: >>Still how secret could the info be as the stations had to know in advance?<< As I stated earlier, the stations were also sworn to silence. The plans for the frequency change were classified on a "need-to-know" basis. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 12:16:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:16:54 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: Message-ID: <004d01c82c62$52323b60$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> I was in college in New York's Capital District in the early to mid '50s--kind of the heyday of ConElRad. In talking with engineers at various radio stations in that area, I found that they had no hesitation to freely disclose the frequency and even the power that their station used for ConElRad. (And I must have talked with at least five of these guys.) I'm not questioning that the information was SUPPOSED to be secret, but clearly, NONE of these engineers had any idea that they were supposed to keep it secret. If they had known, they would not have disclosed it to a nerdy college student they barely knew! Perhaps things were different in Boston. And certainly I never saw anything published about which Capital District stations were on which ConElRad frequency. All I can tell you is that, around Albany, the information was not kept secret and until half an hour ago, I had no idea that it was supposed to be secret. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area >>>You're gonna need Donna to give you a definitive answer and even >>>she > may not have the info.<< > > I'd almost bet Donna doesn't know, because to my almost-certain > knowledge, the frequency distribution plan was top-secret so as not > to > tip off the enemy. ConElRad's participating stations were, AFAIK, > ordered to keep their emergency plans secret as well (i.e., whether > or > not they'd stay on the air under ConElRad and which frequency they'd > use). The whole idea was to cripple the direction-finding > capability of > the enemy by placing all AM transmitters which were still on the air > on > one of only two frequencies, and I seriously doubt that even the > too-often-dense government types would have let that information > become > public knowledge. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF > WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 12:24:06 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:24:06 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com><18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <005701c82c63$54144c60$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> For a time, he was iBiquity's VP of Engineering. That was the position he held when I met him at iBiquity's HQ in (I think) Gaithersburg MD. He came to iBiquity from CBS, where he had been--among other things--CE at KYW. I believe that when IBiquity, umm, freed him to pursue other interests, he returned to CBS. Scott probably knows where he is now and what he is responsible for. I have not seen his name in any recent press releases, but that doesn't mean much. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night > At 11:03 AM -0500 11/21/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >>I spoke to him a couple of years ago, Glynn Walden was convinced >>that >>going all-digital, and taking marginal signals off the air, was The >>Way to deal with the interference problem. > > Who is Glynn Walden? > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:06:53 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:06:53 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770711210906o2356af32v27304c49bd8d5298@mail.gmail.com> That whole morning was crazy On 11/21/07, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The comical part of this whole fiasco (if any of it can be called > comical) was that there were separate authenticator words for the > beginning and the ending of the alerts (if you old-timers have ever > opened the dreaded Red Envelope, you know what I'm referring to). They > tried to cancel the alert the first time using the same authenticator > word as for the beginning of the alert. They got it right the second > time. Here I am covering for the regular Saturday morning guy ( I usually worked night5s ) I went to get the test about 2 minutes after it came in to put it in the log. Well I almost fainted. The booth announcer was also the AD so it was his call BUT MY LICENSE. So we opened the envelope......and viola and then like you said the recall code they sent was wrong. We looking at each other saying NOW WHAT? ABC was running the immortal Lancelot Link. Of course I am also thinking techs on 66th st are running for cover as New York would be a prime attack place. WBZ was happily ignoring things but John Masters signed WRKO off. That was good enough for me. My thinking was 1. The Russians of course knew when the test was sent every week and attacked at that time. 2. The FCC was testing us to see if we did what we were supposed to do. Meanwhile the GM Sam Phillips called the station and fired both of us. ( for 20 minutes ) What a fiasco. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 09:47:04 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:47:04 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <4fc429770711210647j448c6bd3w52b40fe49c5bf633@mail.gmail.com> Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be transmitted by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and perhaps it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions. Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:34:34 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:34:34 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night In-Reply-To: <005701c82c63$54144c60$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> <18244.22200.449174.649614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <005701c82c63$54144c60$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770711210934o7ebe8cderbd97d2361a8b0cca@mail.gmail.com> He is still Senior Vice President for Engineering at CBS Radio in New York On 11/21/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > For a time, he was iBiquity's VP of Engineering. That was the position > he held when I met him at iBiquity's HQ in (I think) Gaithersburg MD. > He came to iBiquity from CBS, where he had been--among other > things--CE at KYW. I believe that when IBiquity, umm, freed him to > pursue other interests, he returned to CBS. Scott probably knows where > he is now and what he is responsible for. I have not seen his name in > any recent press releases, but that doesn't mean much. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:12:53 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:12:53 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <20071121165417.C68941B67FC@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20071121165417.C68941B67FC@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711210912x51da6268k82dfbe3ac56021bf@mail.gmail.com> What I remember about the test ( it had to be 1961 or 2 ) was the signal of the Conelrad station was very weak in Harvard Sq. Still how secret could the info be as the stations had to know in advance? On 11/21/07, Donna Halper wrote: > True, that. I knew a lot about the history of Conelrad, but us mere > mortals were not told much more than what frequencies (640 and 1240 > iirc) to tune to in case of an enemy attack... > > From gallen2@nescaum.org Wed Nov 21 13:08:59 2007 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:08:59 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: For those who wonder what a non-conelrad station might have aired when an attack warning was issued, listen to: http://home.comcast.net/~george_allen/attack-warning-3.mp3 This is Norm Ruby from the late 60's on WBOS. There were lots of times when there were only us engineers at the transmitter around, so they had canned all the conelrad messages. -- George From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 13:38:57 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:38:57 -0500 Subject: Thank You Norm Ruby....I think Message-ID: <4fc429770711211038o61f6da56xdbf81e92feaafe2e@mail.gmail.com> The mention of the name of Norm Ruby makes me smile. Years ago a star struck 12 year old wandered into the WBOS studios in Kenmore Sq and Norm Ruby gave me the Cooks Tour of radio and planted a bug. I think we all have someone like that in our lives. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 21 13:52:27 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:52:27 -0500 Subject: Thank You Norm Ruby....I think In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711211038o61f6da56xdbf81e92feaafe2e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770711211038o61f6da56xdbf81e92feaafe2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071121185229.25BEE1B40CD@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 01:38 PM 11/21/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The mention of the name of Norm Ruby makes me smile. > >Years ago a star struck 12 year old wandered into the WBOS studios in >Kenmore Sq and Norm Ruby gave me the Cooks Tour of radio and planted a >bug. I remember poor Norm-- as I recall, whenever he and I spoke, he would tell me about all of his failed relationships and how he wished he could find the right woman. I doubt he had those kinds of conversations with you guys, however! From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 14:09:32 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:09:32 -0500 Subject: Thank You Norm Ruby....I think References: <4fc429770711211038o61f6da56xdbf81e92feaafe2e@mail.gmail.com> <20071121185229.25BEE1B40CD@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <007f01c82c72$10002d00$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Apparently, he did eventually find the right woman because he married (I presume) and had at least one child--a daughter. I forget the daughter's given name, but she is now a grown, presumably married lady (hyphenated surname, IIRC), and she recently posted a thank you note at Radio-Info.com to all those who had reminisced there about her late father, Norm. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "George Allen" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Thank You Norm Ruby....I think > At 01:38 PM 11/21/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>The mention of the name of Norm Ruby makes me smile. >> >>Years ago a star struck 12 year old wandered into the WBOS studios >>in >>Kenmore Sq and Norm Ruby gave me the Cooks Tour of radio and planted >>a >>bug. > > I remember poor Norm-- as I recall, whenever he and I spoke, he > would tell me about all of his failed relationships and how he > wished he could find the right woman. I doubt he had those kinds of > conversations with you guys, however! From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 14:18:41 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:18:41 -0500 Subject: Thank You Norm Ruby....I think In-Reply-To: <007f01c82c72$10002d00$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770711211038o61f6da56xdbf81e92feaafe2e@mail.gmail.com> <20071121185229.25BEE1B40CD@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <007f01c82c72$10002d00$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770711211118t4512e70fwe5ae9b980138e820@mail.gmail.com> Norm had a great set of pipes. If I recall he did the sign off for Ken Mayer's show..."Travel by Wiggins Airways" From francini@mac.com Wed Nov 21 14:31:03 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So are those why all the car radios from the 60s had little civil- defense triangles at two spots on the dial, corresponding roughly to the two frequencies you stated? Or is that for a *different* reason? John From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Nov 21 14:34:03 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:34:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <27278173.1195673643333.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:52:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > > 640 would have been covered by 590, 680, 740 (maybe), > 850, 950, and 1030. 1240 would have been covered by > 1090, 1150, 1260, 1300 (maybe), 1360, 1430, 1510, and > 1600. What about 1330? The original WCRB still had the classical audience in those days, and my folks' car radio pulled in that west suburban 5 kW signal all over greater Boston. EP From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 21 13:31:22 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:31:22 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26220fb0c567bba2c7ee8b88f8664639@charter.net> Actually, WEEI is doing both. They run the long legal going into the final stopset of the hour, then do the customized, pre-produced legal out of that stopset just before the top of hour sports flash. It's redundant. Considering WEEI will be adding the eleven Nassau stations to their network early next year, that long legal ID really isn't necessary. Even for satellite or game coverage, the ten second customized legal for each station tripped by automation does the job. On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> every time I've > listened to one of the WEEI stations, there has been a separate ID. > When did you stop doing this? You still have to have separate > automation for the local spots, right?<< > > It was relatively recently, but I can't give you an exact date on which > it changed. Not my department. And yes, we still split the stations > for some of the spot breaks. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 14:48:58 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:48:58 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770711211148p31b3fb6cq5e44aae4e9a16f84@mail.gmail.com> Exactly. On 11/21/07, John Francini wrote: > So are those why all the car radios from the 60s had little civil- > defense triangles at two spots on the dial, corresponding roughly to > the two frequencies you stated? > > Or is that for a *different* reason? > > John > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 21 15:41:21 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:41:21 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <27278173.1195673643333.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009601c82c7f$127e8790$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Yeah, probably WCRB (AM) too. I was trying to remember which stations weren't old enough. WCRB was old enough. I forgot them. I figured I'd forget at least one station. I may have forgotten others. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area >> > From: "Dan.Strassberg" >> CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >> To: "Kevin Vahey" >> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:52:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area >> >> 640 would have been covered by 590, 680, 740 (maybe), >> 850, 950, and 1030. 1240 would have been covered by >> 1090, 1150, 1260, 1300 (maybe), 1360, 1430, 1510, and >> 1600. > > What about 1330? The original WCRB still had the classical > audience in those days, and my folks' car radio pulled in > that west suburban 5 kW signal all over greater Boston. > > EP > > > From ewerme@comcast.net Wed Nov 21 17:55:52 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:55:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <20071121225552.864835519C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> KevinVahey recalled: > What I remember about the test ( it had to be 1961 or 2 ) was the > signal of the Conelrad station was very weak in Harvard Sq. > Still how secret could the info be as the stations had to know in advance? IIRC (and I was only 11 years old or so), my father told me that the idea behind Conelrad was to keep shifting transmitters so that the enemy wouldn't have time to get a fix one before things shifted to the next. The frequencies were far from secret - for a while the Conelrad logo was on the AM dial at appropriate points so you knew where to tune to before ducking and covering. I think we heard one test, we were 25 miles East of Cleveland and the signal wasn't very good most of the time. The early AM/FM stereo tests were better, we had the main radio in the living room and the Hallicrafters SW was in the next. Then there were od color illusion tests on B&W TV. Those are rather weird, zero commercial TV opportunity. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conelrad (transmissions were low power) http://www.conelrad.com/ (not much about Conelrad). - Ric Werme On 11/21/07, Donna Halper wrote: > > True, that. I knew a lot about the history of Conelrad, but us mere > > mortals were not told much more than what frequencies (640 and 1240 > > iirc) to tune to in case of an enemy attack... From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 21 19:13:32 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:13:32 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: <003d01c82c60$1d844770$30f8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <002101c82c9c$84bb0af0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Let's be honest here, the VAST majority doesn't really care WHAT your FCC ID is, and as long as my sports talk is on 850, 103.7, 1440 or 105.5 (PS: How many people in So NH tune to JYY looking for Sports Talk?) and they don't know (or care) if it's HD, LD or LDS (latter Day Saints) for that matter... Sid should get Nassau to put JYY on 102.3 and use 105.5 for the //WEEI simulcast when they turn on the NH Simulcasts in January! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:01 PM To: Scott Fybush; Sid Schweiger Cc: 'B-R-I' Subject: Re: HD Callsigns Well, OK. I won't use the term call-sign in this context. But how does it reduce confusion to use both identifiers, and to thereby suggest to the vast majority of the audience--who are, in fact, listening to the analog transmission--that they are listening to a digital transmission? Since the digital stream can contain info that the receiver can display, wouldn't the requirement of the rule be met by transmitting the identifier of the digital stream so that it would be displayed on HD receivers but would not be audible to listeners to the analog transmission (or the digital stream)? Or do I still not understand? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: "'B-R-I'" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: HD Callsigns >I disagree, and rather strongly at that, with Dan's assertion that >"WBZ-HD" or "WVEI-FM-HD1" constitutes a "callsign" within the meaning >of 73.1201. > > Fact is, I see nothing ANYWHERE in 47CFR73, or in the FCC's own > databases, for that matter, that codifies the "WXXX-HD" naming > convention that the industry has chosen to employ, and the most > current wording of 73.1201(b)(1) certainly doesn't mandate it, > either: > > "A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid > mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast > audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its > audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio > broadcast." > > Perhaps one of the lawyers on the list could tell me why it would be > a violation of the letter of 1201(b)(1) to identify thusly: > > "850 WEEI Boston, 1440 WVEI Worcester, 103.7 WEEI-FM Westerly, and > 105.5 WVEI-FM Easthampton, now broadcasting in HD Digital radio." > > In summary: my contention is that "WVEI-FM-HD1" is simply an > identifier ("in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience...") > for one of the digital audio streams of the station whose callsign > remains simply "WVEI-FM," and that the "WVEI-FM Easthampton" legal > ID, with the "permissible insertion" of the digital broadcast > identifier, is perfectly adequate and legal. > > Similarly, it's my understanding, from seeing the way the FCC > handles such matters internally, that the digital TV signal now > operating on channel 30 in Boston is actually part of the license > whose facility ID is 25456 and whose callsign is "WBZ-TV," and that > such license also includes (until 2/17/09) authority to operate in > the analog mode on channel 4, and therefore that any identification > as "WBZ-DT" is simply a means of alerting the audience that it's > viewing a digital broadcast, and not a legal station identification > under a strict interpretation of 73.1201. I suspect this piece of > the rules will be massively misinterpreted come 2/17/09; I'm already > seeing some signals that have gone digital-only identifying > exclusively as "WXXX-DT Wherever," which is not at all what it says > on their licenses. > > Personal opinion: I don't think the latest revisions to 73.1201 were > handled well at all. There's far too much confusion right now about > what is and is not a legal callsign, particularly in light of the > fact that the FCC really doesn't care that much about calls anyway, > having gone to internal identification by unchanging facility > numbers. The "appropriately alerts its audience" language is > painfully vague, leading to massive amounts of, IMHO, on-air clutter > that's neither in the letter nor the spirit of the rule. > > IANAL, etc... > > s From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 21 19:14:35 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:14:35 -0500 Subject: HD Callsigns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c82c9c$a9e8b660$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Yeah...It drives Homer Simpson nuts when he's DXing... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:07 PM To: 'B-R-I' Subject: Re: HD Callsigns At 10:42 AM -0500 11/21/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But according to the letter of the (idiotic) rule, the ID >requires another correction. I also find it bizarre, and perhaps also idiotic, that the required ID must include the name of the city, but not the state. Thus you have to rush to the reference books when a station id's as Springfield. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 21 19:18:12 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:18:12 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711210647j448c6bd3w52b40fe49c5bf633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c82c9d$2bfa4a10$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> I recall that most Radios in the 60's had the CD symbol on the Radio so that people could easily find the stations. Funny, I always that the positions were 630 and 1260 (2-1 ratio) AND I assumed WPRO and WEZE were there to cover that purpose! Hey I was 7-8 years old at the time! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be transmitted by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and perhaps it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions. Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass? From map@mapinternet.com Wed Nov 21 20:15:48 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:15:48 -0500 Subject: could not get WBZ in Hartford last night References: <4fc429770711210710m507d5987yfff9b8966ad6eb63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c82ca5$37735370$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> KDKA is fairly strong here, near Springfield, but hasn't wiped out WBZ at night-yet. But, WBZ's night signal is much better 200-600 miles out from Hull than it is in Western Mass & CT. If WBZ's HD signal is good enough for a reciever to capture, consistently, here in Western Mass, I'll consider buying a HD table or portable model. The analog signal has always been, and still is rough to listen to out here. And, Dan Rea does a good show that I enjoy listening to, even through the noise and fading.. Has anyone else had any experiences with BZ's HD reliability in Western Mass? Last night I listened for AM HD signals for a while. I noticed that with the typical skywave fading and cancelling, that, on some stations using HD at night, when the signal went down in strength, the HD would completely dissapear while the analog would still be weak, but listenable. And, listening to 650/660, WSM would rise out of WFAN's digital hash clear as a bell, then drop into the noise so completly that you would not know there was a station there. The opposite is true with the WTIC/WBAL combination when you are 15-30 miles from Hartford. WBAL puts in such a strong signal that you have to tune to 1070 in order to see if TIC has HD turned on. Mark Casey K1MAP At 10:10 AM -0500 11/21/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I was trying to listen to the Bruins game on BZ last night and around >Hartford I lost the signal completly to HASH from KDKA-HD From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 21 23:24:35 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:24:35 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4744BE33.26470.5547F8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Nov 2007 at 9:19, Sid Schweiger wrote: > I'd almost bet Donna doesn't know, because to my almost-certain > knowledge, the frequency distribution plan was top-secret so as not to > tip off the enemy. Well, yeah, but a lot of things that were classified 50 years ago are no longer classified. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 21 23:24:42 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:24:42 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711210912x51da6268k82dfbe3ac56021bf@mail.gmail.com> References: , <20071121165417.C68941B67FC@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <4fc429770711210912x51da6268k82dfbe3ac56021bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4744BE3A.17105.55637F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Nov 2007 at 12:12, Kevin Vahey wrote: > What I remember about the test ( it had to be 1961 or 2 ) was the > signal of the Conelrad station was very weak in Harvard Sq. I remember a Conelrad test circa 1955. My sister and I went down to the cellar, to be safe from the bombs (we knew it was pretend, but ...) and listened to the broadcast. I found it very annoying because the signal kept fading in and out, and I thought something was wrong with the radio. When I told my mother, she explained why it was supposed to sound like that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 21 23:24:49 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:24:49 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <20071121225552.864835519C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20071121225552.864835519C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4744BE41.15908.557DCD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Nov 2007 at 17:55, Ric Werme wrote: > IIRC (and I was only 11 years old or so), my father told me that > the idea behind Conelrad was to keep shifting transmitters so that the > enemy wouldn't have time to get a fix one before things shifted to the > next. The frequencies were far from secret - for a while the Conelrad > logo was on the AM dial at appropriate points so you knew where to > tune to before ducking and covering. The frequencies to listen to weren't secret, but the transmitter locations were. Of course, since the locations of the regular radio stations in the area weren't secret, one would assume that an incoming bomber might know those targets. The whole system was based on the idea that an enemy was going to bomb us from planes and actually try to target the source of a radio signal. It was made obsolete by ICBMs. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 21 23:24:56 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <002301c82c9d$2bfa4a10$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770711210647j448c6bd3w52b40fe49c5bf633@mail.gmail.com>, <002301c82c9d$2bfa4a10$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4744BE48.18098.5599A2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Nov 2007 at 19:18, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Funny, I always that the positions were 630 and 1260 (2-1 ratio) AND I > assumed WPRO and WEZE were there to cover that purpose! Hey I was 7-8 > years old at the time! There were frequent television promos stating the frequencies. I thought at one point that no regular stations could be on 640 or 1240 because they were the Conelrad frequencies. Eventually I discovered that this was not so. Now, someone remind me: What did Conelrad stand for? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Nov 22 06:35:02 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:35:02 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <47456966.80604@Gmail.com> Our esteemed barrister, A. Joseph Ross, J.D., inquired, > Now, someone remind me: What did Conelrad stand for? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CONELRAD&printable=yes ? CONELRAD (Control of Electromagnetic Radiation) was a method ? of emergency broadcasting to the public of the United States ? in the event of enemy attack during the Cold War. It was ? intended to serve two purposes; to prevent Soviet bombers ? from homing in on American cities by using radio or TV ? stations as beacons, and to provide essential civil defense ? information. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 22 06:42:45 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:42:45 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <4fc429770711210647j448c6bd3w52b40fe49c5bf633@mail.gmail.com>, <002301c82c9d$2bfa4a10$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4744BE48.18098.5599A2@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001201c82cfc$cf2c0b10$0feda644@SatU205S5044> ConElRad--CONtrol of ELectromagnetic RADiation ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "'Kevin Vahey'" ; "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: RE: Conelrad in Boston area > On 21 Nov 2007 at 19:18, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >> Funny, I always that the positions were 630 and 1260 (2-1 ratio) >> AND I >> assumed WPRO and WEZE were there to cover that purpose! Hey I was >> 7-8 >> years old at the time! > > There were frequent television promos stating the frequencies. > > I thought at one point that no regular stations could be on 640 or > 1240 because they were the Conelrad frequencies. Eventually I > discovered that this was not so. > > Now, someone remind me: What did Conelrad stand for? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Nov 22 13:15:50 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:15:50 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> When I heard a Conelrad test in 1961 (at age 12), the 640 transmitter was strong and 1240 was much weaker. I was living in Arlington, MA at the time, right next to Menotomy Rocks Park and 500 ft. north of Route 2 / Belmont town line. The 640 signal was good enough to be from either 590 (Medford) or 680 (Burlington): both local-quality then as now of course. 1240 may have been from 1260 on the Quincy-Milton line, hardly a "barn-burner" signal in Arlington but fine in Boston and nearby South and North Shore areas. At the time I was under the likely-incorrect illusion that the 640 and 1240 rigs were at the Framingham (or Natick?) Civil Defense facility. Since I was so convinced that these transmissions were from Framingham-Natick, it didn't occur to me to take any direction-finding cuts at the time. Because I wasn't driving yet, I would have had to take a few bus rides to get enough DF lines to triangulate these accurately. Happy Thanksgiving everybody ! Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be transmitted by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and perhaps it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions. Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass? >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 23 10:41:15 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:41:15 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. I think that the order of the round robin and the precise amount of time (number of seconds) that each station would stay on the air in the sequence varied minute by minute--controlled by signals sent down the line with the program. The idea, I gather, was to make each iteration of the round robin different from the others. Given that the system was set up in the early '50s, the algorithms that varied the sequences in real time were probably not very complex because they were likely implemented by some rather primative mechanical switching technology--a rotating drum, maybe. Anyhow, my understanding is that all participating stations were to operate ND and that the maximum power of any station during ConElRad operation was to be 5 kW. There may have been a minimum--I'm guessing 250W--but I don't know that. If the signals during the test you heard appeared to be coming from a single source on each frequency, the technology must have improved considerably from the test I heard in Troy NY in the mid '50s. It was very obvious when the transmitter switched and because of the smaller number of stations in the market, there were gaps in the transmissions (when no station occupied the time slot). The designers of the system had apparently foreseen this problem (shame on them if they hadn't; it was pretty damned obvious), so the messages repeated many times--I imagine, by use of an endless tape loop. BTW, ConElRad was developed in response to Pearl Harbor; the Japanese aircraft had used the signals from either KGMB or KGU as directional beacons. As with so much Civil Defense technology, ConElRad was designed to fight the last war and not a war that used different weapons--guided missiles, for example. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Conelrad in Boston area > When I heard a Conelrad test in 1961 (at age 12), the 640 > transmitter was strong and 1240 was much weaker. > > I was living in Arlington, MA at the time, right next to Menotomy > Rocks Park and 500 ft. north of Route 2 / Belmont town line. > > The 640 signal was good enough to be from either 590 (Medford) or > 680 (Burlington): both local-quality then as now of course. > > 1240 may have been from 1260 on the Quincy-Milton line, hardly a > "barn-burner" signal in Arlington but fine in Boston and nearby > South and North Shore areas. > > At the time I was under the likely-incorrect illusion that the 640 > and 1240 rigs were at the Framingham (or Natick?) Civil Defense > facility. > > Since I was so convinced that these transmissions were from > Framingham-Natick, it didn't occur to me to take any > direction-finding cuts at the time. Because I wasn't driving yet, I > would have had to take a few bus rides to get enough DF lines to > triangulate these accurately. > > Happy Thanksgiving everybody ! > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > << > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Conelrad in Boston area > > Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be > transmitted > by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. > > I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and > perhaps > it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and > listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions. > > Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass? >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From Cdsull502@aol.com Fri Nov 23 11:19:02 2007 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:19:02 EST Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: I appreciated the post explaining how Conrelrad worked. Did the 5 kw limitation mean that stations like WBZ, WHDH and, at the time, WNAC did not participate? Did those stations have standby 5 kw transmitters? I would seem kind of crazy to exclude that stations that had the most resources from the system. Thanks. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Nov 23 11:49:18 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:49:18 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8C9FC07ECBAC509-B3C-2F87@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> I don't doubt Dan's assertion that different stations may have been used at different times. There still could have been technical limitations to which stations could transmit on which frequencies effectively. Most likely 640 would not have emanated from a station designed for above 1200 kHz, since the shorter antennas would be quite inefficient. On the other hand, any station could have likely radiated a decent signal on 1240. On the occasions I listened in 1961, the 1240 signal was definitely NOT strong enough to be from WCOP-1150's site on Concord Avenue in Lexington, less than 2 miles away from Arlington. I think that the stations normally on 1260 and 1330 would have been possible candidates. 1330 was a bit stronger than 1260 but both of these were (/are) far weaker than 1150, 1030, 850, 680, and 590. 640 did seem strong enough to be from either the 590 or 680 site. Both stations could have been utilized in the round-robin sequence. If 630 in RI was being used to provide coverage on 640 to Providence and either 590 or 680 to cover Boston, one would think that there would be quite an interference zone extending down US-1 from Dedham through Sharon to Walpole and Mansfield. Admittedly if the frequencies were precisely controlled within a few Hz and the program feed perfectly synchronous, the effect of the overlap would be minimal. I'm not sure that all content was identical and perfectly-synched nationally or if there were localizations in content specific to cities covered by given outlets. I seem to remember that with many domestic frequencies vacated during the tests, it gave more opportunities to pick up daytime groundwave signals from Montreal and the Canadian Maritimes. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg To: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:41 am Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and? especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There? was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various? participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were? divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program? material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land? line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few? seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. I think that the order of? the round robin and the precise amount of time (number of seconds)? that each station would stay on the air in the sequence varied minute? by minute--controlled by signals sent down the line with the program.? The idea, I gather, was to make each iteration of the round robin? different from the others. Given that the system was set up in the? early '50s, the algorithms that varied the sequences in real time were? probably not very complex because they were likely implemented by some? rather primative mechanical switching technology--a rotating drum,? maybe.? ? Anyhow, my understanding is that all participating stations were to? operate ND and that the maximum power of any station during ConElRad? operation was to be 5 kW. There may have been a minimum--I'm guessing? 250W--but I don't know that.? ? If the signals during the test you heard appeared to be coming from a? single source on each frequency, the technology must have improved? considerably from the test I heard in Troy NY in the mid '50s. It was? very obvious when the transmitter switched and because of the smaller? number of stations in the market, there were gaps in the transmissions? (when no station occupied the time slot). The designers of the system? had apparently foreseen this problem (shame on them if they hadn't; it? was pretty damned obvious), so the messages repeated many times--I? imagine, by use of an endless tape loop.? ? BTW, ConElRad was developed in response to Pearl Harbor; the Japanese? aircraft had used the signals from either KGMB or KGU as directional? beacons. As with so much Civil Defense technology, ConElRad was? designed to fight the last war and not a war that used different? weapons--guided missiles, for example.? ? -----? Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)? eFax 1-707-215-6367? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:15 PM? Subject: Conelrad in Boston area? ? > When I heard a Conelrad test in 1961 (at age 12), the 640? > transmitter was strong and 1240 was much weaker.? >? > I was living in Arlington, MA at the time, right next to Menotomy? > Rocks Park and 500 ft. north of Route 2 / Belmont town line.? >? > The 640 signal was good enough to be from either 590 (Medford) or? > 680 (Burlington): both local-quality then as now of course.? >? > 1240 may have been from 1260 on the Quincy-Milton line, hardly a? > "barn-burner" signal in Arlington but fine in Boston and nearby? > South and North Shore areas.? >? > At the time I was under the likely-incorrect illusion that the 640? > and 1240 rigs were at the Framingham (or Natick?) Civil Defense? > facility.? >? > Since I was so convinced that these transmissions were from? > Framingham-Natick, it didn't occur to me to take any? > direction-finding cuts at the time. Because I wasn't driving yet, I? > would have had to take a few bus rides to get enough DF lines to? > triangulate these accurately.? >? > Happy Thanksgiving everybody !? >? > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA? >? > < -----Original Message-----? > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org? > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On? > Behalf Of? > Kevin Vahey? > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM? > To: Dan.Strassberg? > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org? > Subject: Conelrad in Boston area? >? > Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be? > transmitted? > by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial.? >? > I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and? > perhaps? > it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and? > listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions.? >? > Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass?? >>>? > ________________________________________________________________________? > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL? > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Nov 23 13:08:26 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:08:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Conelrad in Boston area  Message-ID: <20071123180826.AFC925A53F@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Dan Strassberg noted: > Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be > transmitted by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial. It just occurred to me that someone should have pointed out by now that we are discussing 640 Kc and 1240 Kc since Conelrad was history before Dr. Hertz became a household abbrevation. Sorry, I'll go back to the Thanksgiving leftovers now. Umm, was it Kc, kc, Kcps? And I think the only radio we had with the Conelrad logos had a linear scale. Of course, it was called a dial. Just like a telephone dial. Yeah, yeah, I said I'd go.... -Ric Werme From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 23 13:47:14 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:47:14 +0000 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <112320071847.29196.4747203100035B0F0000720C22218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> I guess Mark missed my first post in this thread, in which I speculated about which Boston-area stations were on 640 and which were on 1240. In response to a later post by Eli Polonski, I admitted that I had overlooked 1330 and speculated that I had probably overlooked others. For reasons of compatility of antennas and ATUs (not phasors; the ND operation meant phasors weren't used--which was a damned fine idea; AM phasors are as frequency-sensitive as can be), low-on-the-dial stations must have been assigned to 640 and high-on-the-dial stations to 1240. However, unless a station went to greater lengths than most did (or happened to operate normally on its ConElRad frequency), the antennas were not properly tuned. So efficiency must have suffered at least a little. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from markwa1ion@aol.com: -------------- > I don't doubt Dan's assertion that different stations may have been > used at different times. > > There still could have been technical limitations to which stations > could transmit on which frequencies effectively. Most likely 640 would > not have emanated from a station designed for above 1200 kHz, since the > shorter antennas would be quite inefficient. On the other hand, any > station could have likely radiated a decent signal on 1240. > > On the occasions I listened in 1961, the 1240 signal was definitely NOT > strong enough to be from WCOP-1150's site on Concord Avenue in > Lexington, less than 2 miles away from Arlington. I think that the > stations normally on 1260 and 1330 would have been possible candidates. > 1330 was a bit stronger than 1260 but both of these were (/are) far > weaker than 1150, 1030, 850, 680, and 590. > > 640 did seem strong enough to be from either the 590 or 680 site. Both > stations could have been utilized in the round-robin sequence. > > If 630 in RI was being used to provide coverage on 640 to Providence > and either 590 or 680 to cover Boston, one would think that there would > be quite an interference zone extending down US-1 from Dedham through > Sharon to Walpole and Mansfield. Admittedly if the frequencies were > precisely controlled within a few Hz and the program feed perfectly > synchronous, the effect of the overlap would be minimal. > > I'm not sure that all content was identical and perfectly-synched > nationally or if there were localizations in content specific to cities > covered by given outlets. > > I seem to remember that with many domestic frequencies vacated during > the tests, it gave more opportunities to pick up daytime groundwave > signals from Montreal and the Canadian Maritimes. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan.Strassberg > To: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:41 am > Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > > > The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and? > especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There? > was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various? > participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were? > divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program? > material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land? > line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few? > seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. I think that the order of? > the round robin and the precise amount of time (number of seconds)? > that each station would stay on the air in the sequence varied minute? > by minute--controlled by signals sent down the line with the program.? > The idea, I gather, was to make each iteration of the round robin? > different from the others. Given that the system was set up in the? > early '50s, the algorithms that varied the sequences in real time were? > probably not very complex because they were likely implemented by some? > rather primative mechanical switching technology--a rotating drum,? > maybe.? > ? > Anyhow, my understanding is that all participating stations were to? > operate ND and that the maximum power of any station during ConElRad? > operation was to be 5 kW. There may have been a minimum--I'm guessing? > 250W--but I don't know that.? > ? > If the signals during the test you heard appeared to be coming from a? > single source on each frequency, the technology must have improved? > considerably from the test I heard in Troy NY in the mid '50s. It was? > very obvious when the transmitter switched and because of the smaller? > number of stations in the market, there were gaps in the transmissions? > (when no station occupied the time slot). The designers of the system? > had apparently foreseen this problem (shame on them if they hadn't; it? > was pretty damned obvious), so the messages repeated many times--I? > imagine, by use of an endless tape loop.? > ? > BTW, ConElRad was developed in response to Pearl Harbor; the Japanese? > aircraft had used the signals from either KGMB or KGU as directional? > beacons. As with so much Civil Defense technology, ConElRad was? > designed to fight the last war and not a war that used different? > weapons--guided missiles, for example.? > ? > -----? > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)? > eFax 1-707-215-6367? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: ? > To: ? > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:15 PM? > Subject: Conelrad in Boston area? > ? > > When I heard a Conelrad test in 1961 (at age 12), the 640? > > transmitter was strong and 1240 was much weaker.? > >? > > I was living in Arlington, MA at the time, right next to Menotomy? > > Rocks Park and 500 ft. north of Route 2 / Belmont town line.? > >? > > The 640 signal was good enough to be from either 590 (Medford) or? > > 680 (Burlington): both local-quality then as now of course.? > >? > > 1240 may have been from 1260 on the Quincy-Milton line, hardly a? > > "barn-burner" signal in Arlington but fine in Boston and nearby? > > South and North Shore areas.? > >? > > At the time I was under the likely-incorrect illusion that the 640? > > and 1240 rigs were at the Framingham (or Natick?) Civil Defense? > > facility.? > >? > > Since I was so convinced that these transmissions were from? > > Framingham-Natick, it didn't occur to me to take any? > > direction-finding cuts at the time. Because I wasn't driving yet, I? > > would have had to take a few bus rides to get enough DF lines to? > > triangulate these accurately.? > >? > > Happy Thanksgiving everybody !? > >? > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA? > >? > > < > -----Original Message-----? > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org? > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On? > > Behalf Of? > > Kevin Vahey? > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM? > > To: Dan.Strassberg? > > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org? > > Subject: Conelrad in Boston area? > >? > > Back in the 50's and early 60's national alerts were to be? > > transmitted? > > by Conelrad at 640 and 1240 on the dial.? > >? > > I recall one afternoon in the early 60's that all Boston ( and? > > perhaps? > > it was nationwide ) stations signed off for a Conelrad test and? > > listeners were asked to go to 640 or 1240 for instructions.? > >? > > Where were the Conelrad transmitters liocated for Eastern Mass?? > >>>? > > > ________________________________________________________________________? > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL? > > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com? > ? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 23 13:32:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:32:02 +0000 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <112320071832.1478.47471CA100070668000005C622218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> Of course, higher powered stations participated. Many of them simply lowered the plate voltage. Others dedicated lower-powered backup transmitters to ConElRad. I even know of one station that constructed a home-brew transmitter just for ConElRad--I suppose because one of the engineers just wanted to do it. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from Cdsull502@aol.com: -------------- I appreciated the post explaining how Conrelrad worked. Did the 5 kw limitation mean that stations like WBZ, WHDH and, at the time, WNAC did not participate? Did those stations have standby 5 kw transmitters? I would seem kind of crazy to exclude that stations that had the most resources from the system. Thanks. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 23 14:00:14 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:00:14 +0000 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area Message-ID: <112320071900.17439.4747233D00088FE70000441F22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> WESX was missing from my list but, unlike WCRB (AM), it was not forgotten but was intentionally omitted. In those days, in Belmont near the Watertown and Cambridge lines (where we lived from '60 to '64) and here in Arlington Heights (since '64), WNEB was quite audible underneath WESX. Also WESX is kind of far from the center of the Boston market considering its low power (and I think it was only 250W when ConElRad was first implemented), So it seemed to me that WESX was an unlikely candidate to be part of ConElRad. But all of that is really just speculation. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from "Kevin Vahey" : -------------- > I assume WESX was in the mix. I as well thought Framingham CD was > involved as well. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Nov 23 12:00:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:00:46 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770711230900v4ef534f1m5d09ec6410c2e74e@mail.gmail.com> I assume WESX was in the mix. I as well thought Framingham CD was involved as well. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Nov 23 18:51:55 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20071123235209.727684A3CED@mail2.wildblue.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and >especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There >was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various >participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were >divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program >material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land >line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few >seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. How would this have worked in markets outside the top 50 or so? There just weren't all that many stations around in the 50s/early 60s...even some pretty good sized cities only had 2 or 3 AM stations that could remotely be called local, rural areas were lucky to have one or two. From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Nov 23 21:05:27 2007 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:05:27 -0500 Subject: Conelrad Message-ID: <000301c82e3e$7baf5f80$6358da18@Chicken159> While working in Florida around 1970 I did work for a station on 600 khz that was a Conelrad participant . Gates made a special Conelrad version of what I seem to remember was a BC5P with a fourth matching cabinet. On the front of the additional cabinet were a set of logic pushbuttons that energized a series of contactors which replaced the 600 KHZ oscillator and RF driver cabinet with the Conelrad 640 KHZ oscillator and RF driver. This station was 5 KW DA-N using 5 inline towers. In addition this logic had contactors that switched out the 600 KHX ATU and put the 640 KHZ ATU into the non directional tower used for daytime operation. I also remember well the Ball Conelrad receivers of this area Chris Hall From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 23 21:39:44 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:39:44 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com><001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> <20071123235209.727684A3CED@mail2.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <000701c82e43$47dafe80$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> As I said in another post, in a test I heard in the mid '50s in Troy NY (a market with fewer stations than Boston but more than, say, Rochester), there were gaps--time slots that no station occupied. To cover that eventuality (and at least the designers of the system had considered it from the outset), the announcements were repeated many times--I presume via an endless tape loop. It was not pleasant listening on several counts (incessant repitition, gaps in the audio, signal quality--both strength and audio quality--changing every few seconds as the transmitters were changed), but I'm sure that you'd listen attentively if you feared that failure to follow the orders being broadcast would result in your being blown to kindom come at any moment. As I recall, the test I heard took place at around 8:00PM in the late fall or winter and was not national in scope but involved only New York's Capital District. Had it been a national test, the situation would have been even worse. (Remember, this was the AM band at night!) Since the stations were operating ND, there would have been horrendous interference among the various markets. I find it hard to believe that very much of the audio would have been intelligible in much of the market. AND at least during the gaps, signals from other markets might have boomed in, making it hard to determine what part of the material you were hearing was intended for your market and what part you should just ignore. The fact is that, thankfully, there was never an occasion to turn on the system for real. Had it ever been needed, I suspect that many of those who depended on it would have died--some of them because of deficiencies in the technology. However, as long as it was not needed, the system gave a lot of people warm, fuzzy feelings about Civil Defense. So, to that extent, I guess it served its purpose. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and >>especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There >>was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various >>participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were >>divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program >>material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land >>line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few >>seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. > > How would this have worked in markets outside the top 50 or so? > There just weren't all that many stations around in the 50s/early > 60s...even some pretty good sized cities only had 2 or 3 AM stations > that could remotely be called local, rural areas were lucky to have > one or two. > From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 23 22:33:35 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:33:35 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <000701c82e43$47dafe80$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com><001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044><20071123235209.727684A3CED@mail2.wildblue.net> <000701c82e43$47dafe80$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19E9A52CD4D745C483BB3BACBA36D451@DanBillingsPC> Is our current EAS system any better? Are there real EAS success stories? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: ; "SteveOrdinetz" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > The fact is that, thankfully, there was never an occasion to turn on > the system for real. Had it ever been needed, I suspect that many of > those who depended on it would have died--some of them because of > deficiencies in the technology. However, as long as it was not needed, > the system gave a lot of people warm, fuzzy feelings about Civil > Defense. So, to that extent, I guess it served its purpose. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Nov 24 09:44:49 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:44:49 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area In-Reply-To: <19E9A52CD4D745C483BB3BACBA36D451@DanBillingsPC> References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> <001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044> <20071123235209.727684A3CED@mail2.wildblue.net> <000701c82e43$47dafe80$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> <19E9A52CD4D745C483BB3BACBA36D451@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20071124144500.D9320564547@mail3.wildblue.net> Dan Billings wrote: >Is our current EAS system any better? Are there real EAS success stories? Yes and no. If set up properly, the technology for EAS works just fine. Alas, if no one activates the system there is no alert. In my experience, the state emergency management office (pick a state, any state) is the weak link. Of course when the system fails, it's us broadcasters that get blamed. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Nov 24 14:25:40 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: New WCAP Morning Show Debuts Monday Message-ID: <009c01c82ecf$ce444df0$738d764c@Mark> A change in the morning show will take place starting Monday at WCAP, as the "Morning Information Team" with George Anthes and a rotationg group of co-hosts will be replaced by "Merrimack Magazine". The new hosts of this show will be Dean Johnson, who covered radio and media news for the Boston Herald and has also done some work for the Lowell Sun, Jack Baldwin, who has worked at several radio stations in NH as well as having worked in sales at the Sun, and Ted Panos, who writes a sports column for the Sun. The new show will focus on the arts, lifestyle and restaurants in Lowell & the Merrimack Valley, and will also have news, sports, weather and information. George Anthes will remain with WCAP, as he will now be hosting a local talk show weeknights from 8 to 10 PM starting Monday. A link to an article from Thursday's Lowell Sun about the changes at WCAP: http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_7533335 Reading between the lines of Clark Smidt's comments in the article, it appears that politics and local government discussion will not have much of a presence, if at all, on "Merrimack Magazine". George Anthes and company had focused mostly on politics, along with community events & guests on his morning show, including weekly appearances for many years by then-5th District Congressman Marty Meehan, and newly elected Congresswoman Niki Tsongas picked up that commitment after she took office last month. Also, there were frequent appearances by Lowell's City Manager and various members of the City Council & School Committee, plus other elected officials from surrounding towns. I don't know if these officials will be appearing on the new incarnation of WCAP's morning show, I would guess they still be appearing with Mr. Anthes in his new evening spot, which will have occasional Wed. and just about all Friday's pre-empted for either Lowell Devils or U Mass Lowell hockey games. And he'll get just about the whole Summer off, from mid-June till about Labor Day, save for a few off nights, when the Lowell Spinners games return to WCAP. Mark Watson From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Nov 24 15:31:34 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:31:34 -0500 Subject: Conelrad in Boston area References: <8C9FB4AD8ECAEEA-CA8-93DD@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com><001f01c82de7$4a4fd3e0$0bada742@SatU205S5044><20071123235209.727684A3CED@mail2.wildblue.net> <000701c82e43$47dafe80$b6eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <004201c82ed9$02c05840$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "...The fact is that, thankfully, there was never an occasion to turn on the system for real. Had it ever been needed, I suspect that many of those who depended on it would have died..." Especially because the mentality at the time was "Duck and Cover"...I always felt much better under my plywood and sheet metal school desk. Fallout shelters were the basements of stone buildings, whether they had windows at that level or not. Very few had sufficient capacity or logistical support to sustain life for the period of time it would take radiation to clear...ahhh...those were the days! Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: ; "SteveOrdinetz" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > As I said in another post, in a test I heard in the mid '50s in Troy > NY (a market with fewer stations than Boston but more than, say, > Rochester), there were gaps--time slots that no station occupied. To > cover that eventuality (and at least the designers of the system had > considered it from the outset), the announcements were repeated many > times--I presume via an endless tape loop. It was not pleasant > listening on several counts (incessant repitition, gaps in the audio, > signal quality--both strength and audio quality--changing every few > seconds as the transmitters were changed), but I'm sure that you'd > listen attentively if you feared that failure to follow the orders > being broadcast would result in your being blown to kindom come at any > moment. > > As I recall, the test I heard took place at around 8:00PM in the late > fall or winter and was not national in scope but involved only New > York's Capital District. Had it been a national test, the situation > would have been even worse. (Remember, this was the AM band at night!) > Since the stations were operating ND, there would have been horrendous > interference among the various markets. I find it hard to believe that > very much of the audio would have been intelligible in much of the > market. AND at least during the gaps, signals from other markets might > have boomed in, making it hard to determine what part of the material > you were hearing was intended for your market and what part you should > just ignore. > > The fact is that, thankfully, there was never an occasion to turn on > the system for real. Had it ever been needed, I suspect that many of > those who depended on it would have died--some of them because of > deficiencies in the technology. However, as long as it was not needed, > the system gave a lot of people warm, fuzzy feelings about Civil > Defense. So, to that extent, I guess it served its purpose. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SteveOrdinetz" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: Conelrad in Boston area > > > > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >>The whole idea was that you could not do direction finding and > >>especially that enemy aircraft cound not do direction finding! There > >>was not _A_ 640 transmitter or _A_ 1240 transmitter. The various > >>participating AM stations in a region (such as greater Boston) were > >>divided into two groups--a 640 group and a 1240 group. The program > >>material was fed to all participating stations (I think via a land > >>line). The several stations in a group would go on the air for a few > >>seconds apiece in a round-robin sequence. > > > > How would this have worked in markets outside the top 50 or so? > > There just weren't all that many stations around in the 50s/early > > 60s...even some pretty good sized cities only had 2 or 3 AM stations > > that could remotely be called local, rural areas were lucky to have > > one or two. > > > > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 25 10:56:58 2007 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:56:58 -0500 Subject: Conelrad Message-ID: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> >I recall that most Radios in the 60's had the CD symbol on the Radio so that people could easily find the stations. I took some pictures of a friend's classic car (62 T-Bird), and set the dial to the 1240 CD symbol. Radio picture at http://www.bill1820.com/conelrad.jpg >I thought at one point that no regular stations could be on 640 or 1240 because they were the Conelrad frequencies. False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid I couldn't figure out how this little station in a small city was going to save us all. :) From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Nov 25 14:00:20 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:00:20 -0500 Subject: Conelrad References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> Message-ID: <037701c82f95$6d5b4630$6501a8c0@pastor2> I still have my circa 1964 GE portable with the Conelrad symbols at 640 and 1240. <> I used to wonder that, too. Maybe KFI on 640 could save the whole West Coast, but I doubt WHAI on 1240 got much beyond Greenfield's border at night. Duck and cover! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dillane" To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Conelrad > >I recall that most Radios in the 60's had the CD symbol on the Radio so > that people could easily find the stations. > > I took some pictures of a friend's classic car (62 T-Bird), and set the dial > to the 1240 CD symbol. Radio picture at > http://www.bill1820.com/conelrad.jpg > > >I thought at one point that no regular stations could be on 640 or 1240 > because they were the Conelrad frequencies. > > False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid I couldn't > figure out how this little station in a small city was going to save us all. > :) > From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Nov 26 10:05:34 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:05:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Conelrad In-Reply-To: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> Message-ID: <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Sun, November 25, 2007 10:56, Bill Dillane wrote: > False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid I > couldn't > figure out how this little station in a small city was going to save us > all. And there's also little WNYG out of Babylon, New York (on Long Island). They've been on 1240 forever. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 26 10:35:43 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:35:43 -0500 Subject: Conelrad References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> No, 1440; you are thinking of WGBB Freeport, which was just 100W when I was a kid. Before it became a full-timer, WGBB shared time with several other stations, one of which was WFAS White Plains. The time-share was broken up at the time of NARBA (March '41) and two stations survived, WGBB, which went to 1240 with 100W-U and WFAS which went to 1230 with 250W-U. Eventually, both WFAS and WGBB increased to 1 kW-U, but before that, WFAS moved from a tower not quite atop the Roger Smith Hotel in downtown White Plains to Greenburgh, where it constructed an efficient half-wave stick on which the WFAS-FM antenna was also mounted. The original Greenburgh stick was a self-supporter but it was replaced at some point with the present guyed tower. And now I guess the FM is moving south. 103.9 has been granted a CoL change (to Bronxville, I believe), which may allow a Tx move into the Bronx. I'm guessing that 103.9 will then flip to Spanish. As for 1440 in Babylon; it has applied to change its CoL to Medfod NY at the eastern end of Suffolk County, where it will diplex from the 1580 towers. That move will allow WNSW 1430 to diplex from the Clifton site of co-owned WPAT 930. WNSW has a CP for 10 kW-D/7 kW-N DA-2 from the four self-supporting, top-loaded WPAT sticks, which are 225 degrees at 1430. And now you know the R-R-R-R-REST of the story! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Bill Dillane" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Conelrad > > On Sun, November 25, 2007 10:56, Bill Dillane wrote: > >> False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid I >> couldn't >> figure out how this little station in a small city was going to >> save us >> all. > > And there's also little WNYG out of Babylon, New York (on Long > Island). > They've been on 1240 forever. > > Stephanie Weil > New York City, USA > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Nov 26 10:46:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:46:38 -0500 Subject: Conelrad In-Reply-To: <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770711260746y7335b650s1550058eb1e6f0a3@mail.gmail.com> I was talking to a coworker about the EBS screwup in 1971. he remembers a newwork news story that showed that they had 2 teletype tapes on hooks side by side in Wyoming ( one test, one alert ) Wouldn't you think that the alert tape would be under lock and key until needed? But as we found out it wasn't. From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Nov 26 11:10:48 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:48 -0500 Subject: Conelrad References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I can only guess what a delight a small-town 100-watt or 250-watt "graveyard" station must have been years ago. I'm not being nasty here. Some of my fondest listening memories are of little 1,000-watt WGAW in Gardner (250 watts at night). Real home town radio. I'll bet there aren't many of 'em doing a full-service format like that anymore. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Stephanie Weil" ; "Bill Dillane" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Conelrad > No, 1440; you are thinking of WGBB Freeport, which was just 100W when > I was a kid. Before it became a full-timer, WGBB shared time with > several other stations, one of which was WFAS White Plains. The > time-share was broken up at the time of NARBA (March '41) and two > stations survived, WGBB, which went to 1240 with 100W-U and WFAS which > went to 1230 with 250W-U. Eventually, both WFAS and WGBB increased to > 1 kW-U, but before that, WFAS moved from a tower not quite atop the > Roger Smith Hotel in downtown White Plains to Greenburgh, where it > constructed an efficient half-wave stick on which the WFAS-FM antenna > was also mounted. The original Greenburgh stick was a self-supporter > but it was replaced at some point with the present guyed tower. And > now I guess the FM is moving south. 103.9 has been granted a CoL > change (to Bronxville, I believe), which may allow a Tx move into the > Bronx. I'm guessing that 103.9 will then flip to Spanish. > > As for 1440 in Babylon; it has applied to change its CoL to Medfod NY > at the eastern end of Suffolk County, where it will diplex from the > 1580 towers. That move will allow WNSW 1430 to diplex from the Clifton > site of co-owned WPAT 930. WNSW has a CP for 10 kW-D/7 kW-N DA-2 from > the four self-supporting, top-loaded WPAT sticks, which are 225 > degrees at 1430. > > And now you know the R-R-R-R-REST of the story! > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephanie Weil" > To: "Bill Dillane" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: Conelrad > > > > > > On Sun, November 25, 2007 10:56, Bill Dillane wrote: > > > >> False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid I > >> couldn't > >> figure out how this little station in a small city was going to > >> save us > >> all. > > > > And there's also little WNYG out of Babylon, New York (on Long > > Island). > > They've been on 1240 forever. > > > > Stephanie Weil > > New York City, USA > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 26 11:34:42 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:34:42 -0500 Subject: Conelrad References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001701c8304a$41c064a0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> Well, for several years in the fairly recent past, the station that I perceive to be WGBB's principal competitor (currently known as WLIE Islip 540), had a mostly live and local talk format. But thanks to a succession of power increases, WLIE, which, even with 250W, had a killer signal because of its low dial position--despite the horrendous soil conductivity on Long Island's South Shore--eventually covered most of Long Island east of New York City by day. And then, even the phenomenal coverage, which also included a lot of New Jersey (thanks to the salt water path) as well as Westchester and Putnam Counties in NY and Fairfield County in CT, eventually proved insufficient. The station was acquired for $14 million by Principle Radio (WESX, WJDA, and 1530 in Bridgeport). Like the other Principle stations, tt now broadcasts brokered Spanish religion. I have no idea what WGBB is doing. It would not surprise me to find that it, too, is doing brokered ethnic. Tough to compete with all of those New York City signals, which are pretty strong on Long Island. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Stephanie Weil" ; "Bill Dillane" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Conelrad >I can only guess what a delight a small-town 100-watt or 250-watt > "graveyard" station must have been years ago. I'm not being nasty > here. > Some of my fondest listening memories are of little 1,000-watt WGAW > in > Gardner (250 watts at night). Real home town radio. I'll bet there > aren't > many of 'em doing a full-service format like that anymore. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Stephanie Weil" ; "Bill Dillane" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: Conelrad > > >> No, 1440; you are thinking of WGBB Freeport, which was just 100W >> when >> I was a kid. Before it became a full-timer, WGBB shared time with >> several other stations, one of which was WFAS White Plains. The >> time-share was broken up at the time of NARBA (March '41) and two >> stations survived, WGBB, which went to 1240 with 100W-U and WFAS >> which >> went to 1230 with 250W-U. Eventually, both WFAS and WGBB increased >> to >> 1 kW-U, but before that, WFAS moved from a tower not quite atop the >> Roger Smith Hotel in downtown White Plains to Greenburgh, where it >> constructed an efficient half-wave stick on which the WFAS-FM >> antenna >> was also mounted. The original Greenburgh stick was a >> self-supporter >> but it was replaced at some point with the present guyed tower. And >> now I guess the FM is moving south. 103.9 has been granted a CoL >> change (to Bronxville, I believe), which may allow a Tx move into >> the >> Bronx. I'm guessing that 103.9 will then flip to Spanish. >> >> As for 1440 in Babylon; it has applied to change its CoL to Medfod >> NY >> at the eastern end of Suffolk County, where it will diplex from the >> 1580 towers. That move will allow WNSW 1430 to diplex from the >> Clifton >> site of co-owned WPAT 930. WNSW has a CP for 10 kW-D/7 kW-N DA-2 >> from >> the four self-supporting, top-loaded WPAT sticks, which are 225 >> degrees at 1430. >> >> And now you know the R-R-R-R-REST of the story! >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephanie Weil" >> To: "Bill Dillane" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:05 AM >> Subject: Re: Conelrad >> >> >> > >> > On Sun, November 25, 2007 10:56, Bill Dillane wrote: >> > >> >> False. I grew up a mile away from a 1240 tower. As a young kid >> >> I >> >> couldn't >> >> figure out how this little station in a small city was going to >> >> save us >> >> all. >> > >> > And there's also little WNYG out of Babylon, New York (on Long >> > Island). >> > They've been on 1240 forever. >> > >> > Stephanie Weil >> > New York City, USA >> > >> > From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Nov 26 12:37:08 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:37:08 -0500 Subject: Conelrad In-Reply-To: <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <002401c83052$fddb7a50$0f141bac@core2k> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Stephanie Weil > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:06 AM > To: Bill Dillane > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Conelrad > > > > And there's also little WNYG out of Babylon, New York (on > Long Island). > They've been on 1240 forever. > When I lived in the area many moons ago, 1240 was WGBB in Freeport. Has that changed? From mike@miscon.net Mon Nov 26 18:02:00 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary In-Reply-To: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> Message-ID: <.71.147.36.99.1196118120.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> So?tonight marks the 20 anniversary of the video pirate (or hack) of WTTW in Chicago; wherein someone dressed in a Max Headroom mask overtook a Dr. Who episode, and replaced it with their own ramblings for over a minute and a half. You can find a brief description and a clip here (watch the wrap): http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/piracy-history/20-years-ago-tonight-max-headroom-the-video-pirate-took-over-chicagos-airwaves-325717.php My question is: has anything like that (the complete overtaking of an established?radio or television signal) been done (or attempted)?here in Boston? Mike From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Nov 26 18:24:00 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:24:00 -0500 Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <".71.147.36.99.1196118120.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <002701c83083$6e129620$0201a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary > My question is: has anything like that (the complete overtaking of > an established radio or television signal) been done (or > attempted) here in Boston? > > Mike Duane Ingalls Glasscock - WBCN... but that's not quite what you're looking for, although the premise is the same. Rogue Clone takes over radio station and plays pretty much whatever the heck he/it wanted to. --Chuck Igo From billohno@gmail.com Mon Nov 26 18:39:32 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:39:32 -0500 Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary In-Reply-To: <.71.147.36.99.1196118120.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <.71.147.36.99.1196118120.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <474B5934.90501@gmail.com> mike@miscon.net wrote: > My question is: has anything like that (the complete overtaking of > an established radio or television signal) been done (or > attempted) here in Boston? > > Can't think of one right now, Mr. Mike -- But this guy distinctly recalls an uber-funny bit voiced by you, say, 25 years ago, with the kicker line, "You know, I really hate beans" [fade crackling fire / harmonica sfx]. Whenever I have reminded my old college radio buddy, Mike, of this bit he recalls it but tends to look at me as if to say, "Bill, it was /okay/ but not that okay. How do you remember that?" (Perhaps mental state of mind when first heard back in the day? Er, just a hunch.) Raises the question of production gems one may have produced -- but at the time they were just one-take wonders, lost and found edits from the floor at 2 a.m., etc., but manage live on in one's fading memory? Live spots tend to be ripe for moments like that. I once stumbled all over the name "Schweppes" even on the second try (HDH) and bailed on it with "...great taste -- tough to say...." It was a bullet dodged. Gone in an instant, but lingers on in memory. It's been awhile since we had a 'most embarrassing moment' dialoggguuue.... Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Nov 26 18:55:24 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:55:24 -0500 Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net><".71.147.36.99.1196118120.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net> <002701c83083$6e129620$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <001c01c83087$d06ece20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Do DJ's who locked themselves in the studio Count? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:02 PM > Subject: "Max Headroom" television takeover - 20th anniversary > > > My question is: has anything like that (the complete overtaking of > > an established radio or television signal) been done (or > > attempted) here in Boston? > > > > Mike > > Duane Ingalls Glasscock - WBCN... but that's not quite what you're looking > for, although the premise is the same. Rogue Clone takes over radio station > and plays pretty much whatever the heck he/it wanted to. > > > --Chuck Igo > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Nov 26 20:48:15 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:48:15 -0500 Subject: Conelrad In-Reply-To: <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <18251.30559.400225.693975@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Some of my fondest listening memories are of little 1,000-watt WGAW in > Gardner (250 watts at night). Real home town radio. Which I recently found out was calling itself "13G" during the 1980s. (Thanks to Casey Kasem and XM... now if only they could get "Top 40 Satellite Survey with Dan Ingram" -- I always preferred Ingram to Kasem in the years when both shows were on the air.) -GAWollman From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Nov 26 22:12:36 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:12:36 -0500 Subject: Conelrad In-Reply-To: <18251.30559.400225.693975@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18251.30559.400225.693975@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20071127031247.98A0336CCE8@mail1.wildblue.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: >< said: > > > Some of my fondest listening memories are of little 1,000-watt WGAW in > > Gardner (250 watts at night). Real home town radio. > >Which I recently found out was calling itself "13G" during the 1980s. I think they hung on as an AC into the early 90s. I recall driving past their (former) studio building in the late 90s...was kind of sad to see it all overgrown & dilapidated. It was a simulcast of some other AM at the time. Horrendous audio, sounded like it was run thru processors at both ends. >now if only they could get "Top 40 >Satellite Survey with Dan Ingram" -- I always preferred Ingram to >Kasem in the years when both shows were on the air.) Don't think his show lasted more than a year or two max. BTW, not sure what part of it was "satellite". The show was distributed on vinyl. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Nov 26 22:33:09 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:33:09 -0500 Subject: WGAW (no relation) (was: Re: Conelrad) In-Reply-To: <20071127031247.98A0336CCE8@mail1.wildblue.net> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18251.30559.400225.693975@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20071127031247.98A0336CCE8@mail1.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <18251.36853.918584.279341@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I recall driving past their (former) studio building in the late > 90s...was kind of sad to see it all overgrown & dilapidated. It was > a simulcast of some other AM at the time. Horrendous audio, sounded > like it was run thru processors at both ends. I think at that time they would have been simulcasting with WEIM. >> now if only they could get "Top 40 >> Satellite Survey with Dan Ingram" -- I always preferred Ingram to >> Kasem in the years when both shows were on the air.) > Don't think his show lasted more than a year or two max. BTW, not > sure what part of it was "satellite". The show was distributed on vinyl. According to that always-accurate information source, Wikipedia, the show ran from April '84 to December '86. The station I listened to then (WQCR) ran it on Sunday evenings, which was perfect for the early-teen listener. (I think WXXX had Kasem at this time.) They also ran a contest every Monday night: the Nth caller who could name all ten of the top ten songs would get "a copy of every song on the countdown". Of course, the actual prize was the four vinyl discs that the show was distributed on (a violation of the station's license agreement, as the discs were supposed to be destroyed after the last air date). I wish I still had mine. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 27 11:35:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:35:21 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <20071127163522.2334183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Before there was American Idol or The Gong Show, there was Community Auditions on WBZ-TV 4. The other day I saw a promo for a new "Community Auditions" show on WZMY-TV 50 out of Derry, NH and I just happened to see the final few minutes of an episode of it right now. Apparently the show is taped at Mohegan Sun and features a band doing the familiar theme: Star of the day, who will it be? Your vote may hold the key. A female folk duo won. Among the judges: J.J. Wright, and "Sib" (who I assume is Sib Hashian from the band Boston). Apparently the grand prize that will ultimately be awarded is a car (as well as studio recording time, etc.) The credits went by pretty quickly but the first name that came up: "Thanks to Dave Maynard" They have a site: http://www.communityauditions.com OK, so Creature Double Feature is back. So is Community Auditions. When will Candlepins for Cash be revived? :) It's up to you...tell us who...will be star of the day. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 27 11:44:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:44:33 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <20071127164433.7C43E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I guess it's actually been back for several months, and it also airs on NECN and on the CW station in Portland. The following page has more info--Dave Msynard did appear as a judge, and it mentions the original show as being hosted by a Gene Burns. The talk host we know? http://www.communityauditions.com/media.html The hosts are "Lori Grande from WKLB and Jackson Blue from Kiss 108". The article says the show had also aired on Ch 5 as "Dave Maynard Talent Showcase" From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 11:48:31 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:48:31 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <20071127163522.2334183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071127163522.2334183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <474C4A5F.5090108@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > OK, so Creature Double Feature is back. So is Community Auditions. When will Candlepins > for Cash be revived? :) It's up to you...tell us who...will be star of the day.// > When you spot Miss Jean and her 'magic mirror' keep us posted! And don't be late for the chocolate milk break. [Romper Room flashback] Bill O'Neill // From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 11:51:09 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:51:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Candelpins for Cash was on WB56 for about a year before Tribune sold WLVI to Sunbeam. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Nelson To: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:35:21 AM Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Before there was American Idol or The Gong Show, there was Community Auditions on WBZ-TV 4. The other day I saw a promo for a new "Community Auditions" show on WZMY-TV 50 out of Derry, NH and I just happened to see the final few minutes of an episode of it right now. Apparently the show is taped at Mohegan Sun and features a band doing the familiar theme: Star of the day, who will it be? Your vote may hold the key. A female folk duo won. Among the judges: J.J. Wright, and "Sib" (who I assume is Sib Hashian from the band Boston). Apparently the grand prize that will ultimately be awarded is a car (as well as studio recording time, etc.) The credits went by pretty quickly but the first name that came up: "Thanks to Dave Maynard" They have a site: http://www.communityauditions.com OK, so Creature Double Feature is back. So is Community Auditions. When will Candlepins for Cash be revived? :) It's up to you...tell us who...will be star of the day. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Nov 27 11:50:34 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:50:34 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <20071127164433.7C43E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071127164433.7C43E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000901c83115$a178c560$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> I believe the host before Dave Maynard was Gene *Jones*, not Gene Burns. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:45 AM To: Bob Nelson; BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: "Community Auditions" is back I guess it's actually been back for several months, and it also airs on NECN and on the CW station in Portland. The following page has more info--Dave Msynard did appear as a judge, and it mentions the original show as being hosted by a Gene Burns. The talk host we know? http://www.communityauditions.com/media.html The hosts are "Lori Grande from WKLB and Jackson Blue from Kiss 108". The article says the show had also aired on Ch 5 as "Dave Maynard Talent Showcase" From wayne@vacationdreams.org Tue Nov 27 12:02:43 2007 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:02:43 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <474c4db3.6a.624c.1574504383@vacationdreams.org> Wasn't the show so named to make it close to their primary sponsor, "Community Opticians"? Just another flashback of bad dog tricks... :^) ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: Bob Nelson Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: "Community Auditions" is back Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:48:31 -0500 >Bob Nelson wrote: >> OK, so Creature Double Feature is back. So is Community >> Auditions. When will Candlepins for Cash be revived? :) >> It's up to you...tell us who...will be star of the >day.// > >When you spot Miss Jean and her 'magic mirror' keep us >posted! And don't be late for the chocolate milk break. >[Romper Room flashback] > >Bill O'Neill >// "I'd rather die peacfully in my sleep like my Grandfather, than the screaming passengers on his bus!" - Unknown From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:13:39 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:13:39 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <000901c83115$a178c560$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> References: <20071127164433.7C43E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <000901c83115$a178c560$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <4fc429770711270913pa281202ke131419c5758b511@mail.gmail.com> Can not forget the longest running show in Boston TV history, Saturday candlepins on WHDH-TV and then it was the only show WCVB kept when the change happened in 1972. Greatest moment happened around 1990. Tom Olszta has won something like 20 weeks in a row but finally Don Gillis said the run was over as he was behind by 29 pins with one frame to go. Don spoke too soon From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:55:43 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:55:43 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711270913pa281202ke131419c5758b511@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071127164433.7C43E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <000901c83115$a178c560$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> <4fc429770711270913pa281202ke131419c5758b511@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711270955n21c2d064j317d357025c5a9ce@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to You Tube that crazy bowling show lives The ending was unreal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcKBKpUDy9w On 11/27/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Can not forget the longest running show in Boston TV history, Saturday > candlepins on WHDH-TV and then it was the only show WCVB kept when the > change happened in 1972. > > Greatest moment happened around 1990. Tom Olszta has won something like 20 > weeks in a row but finally Don Gillis said the run was over as he was behind > by 29 pins with one frame to go. > > Don spoke too soon > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 27 13:19:52 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:19:52 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <20071127181952.BB07283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Well, as a matter of fact Miss Jean and I have one thing in common: Salem State College graduate. Jean Durkin (I think that's her last name) was featured as a cover story on the alumni magazine, "Salem Statement" awhile back... I remember Romper Room of course--and vaguely I remember going to Montreal with my family in '67 (Expo '67) and I thought I saw Romper Room in French on TV! From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 27 13:21:14 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:21:14 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <20071127182114.EB0A383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Ah--well the Globe article on that site (by former Herald scribe Beverly Beckham) must have had it wrong: it reads "Gene Burns was its first host, then came Maynard." From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Nov 27 13:22:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back Message-ID: <20071127182211.2ECDD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Wasn't the show so named to make it close to their primary sponsor, "Community Opticians"? I believe so! From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 27 13:59:19 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:59:19 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back References: <20071127163522.2334183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <474C4A5F.5090108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c83127$9e503000$df834c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill To: Bob Nelson Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: "Community Auditions" is back > Bob Nelson wrote: > > OK, so Creature Double Feature is back. So is Community Auditions. When will Candlepins > > for Cash be revived? :) It's up to you...tell us who...will be star of the day.// > > > > When you spot Miss Jean and her 'magic mirror' keep us posted! And > don't be late for the chocolate milk break. [Romper Room flashback] > > Bill O'Neill > // > > No thanks. I'll just raise my cold glass of white milk and toast the picture of President Eisenhower on the wall with Bob Emery as "Hail to the Chief" plays. ["Big Brother" flashback] BTW, my sister tried out for the original "Community Auditions" in the early '70s, singing some Joni Mitchell or Judy Collins song while strumming a guitar. She didn't make it, but we got to see a taping session of the show. I remember being surprised at how the audience always had to be prompted to clap before and after each break -- it shattered my image of Dave Maynard as a media idol whose mere appearance could draw spontaneous, wild applause. Howard From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 14:07:51 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <20071127181952.BB07283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071127181952.BB07283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711271107m63194e07n380155ac64dca176@mail.gmail.com> Miss Jean was the wife of Bozo's brother Nozo...Bill Harrington Romper Room and Candlepins for Cash were produced by the same company. The long forgotten WXPO-TV had Romper Room for the 3 months that people actually got paid with Miss Lori ( Lou Lopez ) who became a cult figure as she wore very short skirts On 11/27/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Well, as a matter of fact Miss Jean and I have one thing in common: Salem > State College graduate. Jean Durkin (I > think that's her last name) was featured as a cover story on the alumni > magazine, "Salem Statement" > awhile back... > > I remember Romper Room of course--and vaguely I remember going to Montreal > with my family in '67 > (Expo '67) and I thought I saw Romper Room in French on TV! > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 14:27:24 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:27:24 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711271107m63194e07n380155ac64dca176@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071127181952.BB07283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770711271107m63194e07n380155ac64dca176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474C6F9C.6040203@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The long forgotten WXPO-TV had Romper Room for the 3 months that > people actually got paid with Miss Lori ( Lou Lopez ) who became a > cult figure as she wore very short skirts A cult figure in just three months? That's some figure. Or, take two: A cult figure in just three months? Among whom? Dads? Take three: A cult figure? In just three months? Who drank all the Kool-Aide? Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Nov 27 15:24:29 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:24:29 -0500 Subject: XM Passes On The I-Man Message-ID: <474C7CFD.7080905@ttlc.net> Apparently, XM is not interested in signing Don Imus. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Nov 27 16:04:19 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:04:19 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <474C6F9C.6040203@gmail.com> References: <20071127181952.BB07283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770711271107m63194e07n380155ac64dca176@mail.gmail.com> <474C6F9C.6040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711271304w1d4a20e1tf1452587f2299f66@mail.gmail.com> How do I put this...... Miss Lori was a product of the late 60's and not only did she wear short, short skirts she often forgot something else much to the delight of the camera crew. This did not go unnoticed by BU and Emerson students that also were watching the kid show Treehouse 50. On 11/27/07, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The long forgotten WXPO-TV had Romper Room for the 3 months that > > people actually got paid with Miss Lori ( Lou Lopez ) who became a > > cult figure as she wore very short skirts > > A cult figure in just three months? That's some figure. Or, take two: A > cult figure in just three months? Among whom? Dads? Take three: A > cult figure? In just three months? Who drank all the Kool-Aide? > > Bill O'Neill > > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Nov 27 16:14:01 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:14:01 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back References: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> Maureen Carney wrote: > Candelpins for Cash was on WB56 for about a year before Tribune sold WLVI > to Sunbeam. The correct title of the WB56 bowling show was "Candlepins for Dollars", not to be confused with "Candlepins for Cash". "Dollars" was the traditional 2 bowlers competing in 3 strings of bowling format pioneered by Channel 5. However, memories of "Candlepins for Cash" live on every weekend on Comcast's CN8 channel, during their weekly "$30,000 Candlepin Challenge" show. They select one audience member to bowl for the jackpot. A strike wins the pot, otherwise they get I believe $50 for a spare, if no spare it's a buck a pin. All that's missing is Bob Gamere welcoming the contestant entering through Major Mudd's sliding rocket ship door. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Nov 27 16:21:50 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:21:50 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> References: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770711271321i3ffe448bkef7d166d28b49566@mail.gmail.com> I was actually on Candlepins for Cash in 1977 The show was taped on Sunday afternoon in the Channel 7 basement. I was to be on the Friday show and when the sliding door opened for me to meet Gamere ( who I knew anyways ) I almost fell over from the booze on his breath. Anyhow I threw the ball down the middle of the alley and knocked down 2 pins ( winding up with $7) Got the check 3 days later From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 17:02:39 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:02:39 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back References: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com><005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> <4fc429770711271321i3ffe448bkef7d166d28b49566@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01be01c83141$6db3bbf0$6401a8c0@default> >I was actually on Candlepins for Cash in 1977 > The show was taped on Sunday afternoon in the Channel 7 basement. > Anyhow I threw the ball down the middle of the alley and knocked down 2 > pins > ( winding up with $7) Even then I was amazed at how little the payoffs were.... BTW..Did you say hello "to all yout friends and co-workers at GE in Lynn"? or something like that? From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 17:08:40 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:08:40 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711271321i3ffe448bkef7d166d28b49566@mail.gmail.com> References: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> <4fc429770711271321i3ffe448bkef7d166d28b49566@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474C9568.6080407@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I was actually on Candlepins for Cash in 1977 > > The show was taped on Sunday afternoon in the Channel 7 basement. > > Do you still have the footwear? Ebay beckons. :-! I recall the show -- weren't there two lanes, no waiting, in the basement studio? I think you could hear steam pipes clanking in the background. And that old fat guy who was the pin-setter -- nice touch. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 17:05:21 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:05:21 -0500 Subject: XM Passes On The I-Man In-Reply-To: <474C7CFD.7080905@ttlc.net> References: <474C7CFD.7080905@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <474C94A1.8080808@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Apparently, XM is not interested in signing Don Imus. > Wouldn't Uncle Mel be more likely to consider him on Sirius (despite longstanding merger negotiations). I'd suspect they would want push for terrestrial penetration during the roll-out, anyway? And what of the TV simulcast on RFD TV? Now, git. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 18:41:49 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:41:49 -0500 Subject: The WNEV Dream Team Message-ID: <4fc429770711271541k6427a434o14c74f5795c67fe9@mail.gmail.com> Is this the biggest failure in Boston broadcast history? This clip has 2 promos and the first few minutes of the initial newscast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHi9OD0kiAc And Scott ( and others) might find this look at 1170 SFR in 1970 of interest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzKWF0U1xZ8 From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Nov 27 18:43:40 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: "Community Auditions" is back In-Reply-To: <01be01c83141$6db3bbf0$6401a8c0@default> References: <783768.77305.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005501c8313a$6f8747a0$738d764c@Mark> <4fc429770711271321i3ffe448bkef7d166d28b49566@mail.gmail.com> <01be01c83141$6db3bbf0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <4fc429770711271543g707ed3e8k1ba6abb87fcfa8db@mail.gmail.com> I did say hello to my co-workers I was working at Channel 4 then Oh that went over well. From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Nov 27 19:10:00 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:10:00 -0500 Subject: WGAW (no relation) (was: Re: Conelrad) In-Reply-To: <18251.36853.918584.279341@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000001c82f7b$e124fe40$a36efac0$@net> <23698.12.37.144.130.1196089534.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <000501c83042$040461f0$b3ada742@SatU205S5044> <03d201c83046$e95d50f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18251.30559.400225.693975@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20071127031247.98A0336CCE8@mail1.wildblue.net> <18251.36853.918584.279341@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20071128001006.0EB2836CC80@mail1.wildblue.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > > I recall driving past their (former) studio building in the late > > 90s...was kind of sad to see it all overgrown & dilapidated. It was > > a simulcast of some other AM at the time. Horrendous audio, sounded > > like it was run thru processors at both ends. > >I think at that time they would have been simulcasting with WEIM. I believe it was WSRO they were simulcasting at the time. From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 19:34:25 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:34:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: WGAW (no relation) (was: Re: Conelrad) Message-ID: <791588.57282.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When I started at WSRO in 1995 they were indeed simlucasting on WGAW. There was some thought of independely programming WGAW around 1998 but it didn't pan out and the station was LMAed to WEIM, then sold shortly after. ----- Original Message ---- From: SteveOrdinetz To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:10:00 PM Subject: Re: WGAW (no relation) (was: Re: Conelrad) Garrett Wollman wrote: > > I recall driving past their (former) studio building in the late > > 90s...was kind of sad to see it all overgrown & dilapidated. It was > > a simulcast of some other AM at the time. Horrendous audio, sounded > > like it was run thru processors at both ends. > >I think at that time they would have been simulcasting with WEIM. I believe it was WSRO they were simulcasting at the time. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Nov 27 20:11:31 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:11:31 -0500 Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three Message-ID: <474CC043.3020205@gabrielmass.com> A brief AP story (11/27/07) says that New Hampshire Public Radio has requested FCC permission for changes at six of its transmitter sites: upgrades at Littleton, Colebrook, and Holderness/Plymouth, and new outlets at Claremont, Laconia, and Peterborough. Anyone know more about it? http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/11/27/nhpr_seeks_to_expand/ --RC From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Nov 27 20:33:54 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:33:54 -0500 Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three In-Reply-To: <474CC043.3020205@gabrielmass.com> References: <474CC043.3020205@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <005b01c8315e$bd7509b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Richard Chonak > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:12 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three > > A brief AP story (11/27/07) says that New Hampshire Public > Radio has requested FCC permission for changes at six of its > transmitter sites: > upgrades at Littleton, Colebrook, and Holderness/Plymouth, > and new outlets at Claremont, Laconia, and Peterborough. > > Anyone know more about it? > > http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/1 > 1/27/nhpr_seeks_to_expand/ > It sounds to mee like they are trying to fill in some holes in their coverage. Although it seems to me that some of this may be overkill, coverage in Peterborough, for example, really improved a couple of years ago when they added the 88.3 in Nashua. I know that there was recently a filing window for non-commercial frequencies. I don't know if any competing applications have been filed. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 27 20:40:23 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:40:23 -0500 Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three In-Reply-To: <005b01c8315e$bd7509b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <474CC043.3020205@gabrielmass.com> <005b01c8315e$bd7509b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <474CC707.1010001@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: >> A brief AP story (11/27/07) says that New Hampshire Public >> Radio has requested FCC permission for changes at six of its >> transmitter sites: >> upgrades at Littleton, Colebrook, and Holderness/Plymouth, >> and new outlets at Claremont, Laconia, and Peterborough. >> >> Anyone know more about it? >> >> http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/1 >> 1/27/nhpr_seeks_to_expand/ >> > > It sounds to mee like they are trying to fill in some holes in their > coverage. Although it seems to me that some of this may be overkill, > coverage in Peterborough, for example, really improved a couple of years ago > when they added the 88.3 in Nashua. > > I know that there was recently a filing window for non-commercial > frequencies. I don't know if any competing applications have been filed. There were about 3600 applications nationwide. Of the NHPR apps, only Colebrook was a "singleton" (no competing app). The others will be tied up for years, probably. Many more details in next Monday's NERW... s From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Nov 27 21:46:55 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:46:55 -0500 Subject: Community Auditions is back Message-ID: <050801c83168$f0e0e710$6501a8c0@pastor2> It was Gene Jones, not Gene Burns, who was the original host of Community Auditions on ch. 4. He was on from when I was a little kid. I confess I don't know anything about Jones. Had he been a Boston radio personality prior to hosting the show? When did he pass away? -Doug From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 01:51:38 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:51:38 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? Message-ID: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default> Crusing around Northern New England after sunset, I am picking up country music on 780AM, where I usually pick up WBBM. Anyone have any idea who this could be? d From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 02:19:43 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:19:43 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? In-Reply-To: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default> References: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0711272319g56c3eabdp62724b2a3eaac8e3@mail.gmail.com> Possibly CFDR from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia On Nov 28, 2007 1:51 AM, Don A wrote: > Crusing around Northern New England after sunset, I am picking up country > music on 780AM, where I usually pick up WBBM. > > Anyone have any idea who this could be? > > d > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 28 08:12:10 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:12:10 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? References: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default> <1fbbbced0711272319g56c3eabdp62724b2a3eaac8e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <052901c831c0$49733cf0$6501a8c0@pastor2> There's a CP for a station on 780 in Monticello, Maine, up in Aroostook County, but to my knowledge it's not on the air yet. So I would agree --- it's likely CFDR, which has a country format. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Don A" Cc: "BRI" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:19 AM Subject: Re: 780AM DX? > Possibly CFDR from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > > On Nov 28, 2007 1:51 AM, Don A wrote: > > Crusing around Northern New England after sunset, I am picking up country > > music on 780AM, where I usually pick up WBBM. > > > > Anyone have any idea who this could be? > > > > d > > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Nov 28 10:13:33 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:33 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? In-Reply-To: <052901c831c0$49733cf0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default> <1fbbbced0711272319g56c3eabdp62724b2a3eaac8e3@mail.gmail.com> <052901c831c0$49733cf0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <474D859D.1050508@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > There's a CP for a station on 780 in Monticello, Maine, up in Aroostook > County, but to my knowledge it's not on the air yet. So I would agree --- > it's likely CFDR, which has a country format. WCXH (ex-WREM) in Monticello is indeed on the air now at 780, having moved from 710 earlier this year. It's usually doing AC as part of the "Channel X" network at WCXX-FM/WCXU-FM up there. CFDR ("KIXX 780") is still on in Nova Scotia for now, with country, and that was probably what was coming in. They have a CP to move to FM that they haven't built out yet. s From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Nov 28 09:49:10 2007 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:49:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: CSN, Channel 38 split high school championships. Message-ID: <237564.87136.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> For the first time in 20 years, the Eastern Massachusetts high school playoff games will be available on widely distributed TV, the Boston Herald reports today. http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/high_school/football/view.bg?articleid=1047501 Comcast Sports Net will air games scheduled to start at 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. Channel 38 will air games scheduled to start at 3:30, 5:30 and 7:30 p.m. (The games are tightly bunched up; I really doubt most of them will begin on time.) Last time any of these games were on TV was in the early 1990s. I believe Channel 5 then technically owned the rights and sublicensed them to NESN, but I could be wrong. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 28 10:51:25 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:51:25 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? References: <00a201c8318c$585902b0$6401a8c0@default><1fbbbced0711272319g56c3eabdp62724b2a3eaac8e3@mail.gmail.com> <052901c831c0$49733cf0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001301c831d6$8c4fedf0$fceca644@SatU205S5044> Scott can confirm this; I think 780 in Monticello IS on the air and probably has been for about six months. I forget the calls, but, AFAIK it is the former WREM, moved from 710 in order to get a low-power night authorization, which was not possible on 710 because the location is (or maybe was) within WOR's protected mighttime skywave service area. I say, "maybe was" because when WOR was displaced from its site in (IIRC) Lyndhurst NJ and moved to a new site less than two miles north, the FCC required it to pull in its pattern to the north (to protect a now-dark 710 in western ON). The new pattern might have moved WREM out of the protected contour. Regardless of whether Monticello is or isn't in WOR's protected contour, 780 is better for the Mane station because more night power is possible on 780 than on 710 (WBBM's protected contour is farther from Monticello). If I'm not mistaken the Monticello AM is owned by Alan Weiner, who once operated an unlicensed radio station. But anyhow, as others have pointed out, the country music heard on 780 in northern NH probably emanated from CFDR--if it's still on the air on AM. BUT, didn't some AM in the 700s that broadcast country in the Maritimes (I thought on 780 but maybe not) use the calls CKXX and the positioner "Kixx Country?" I had thought that CKXX was the former CFDR. Is that not so? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Don A" Cc: "BRI" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:12 AM Subject: Re: 780AM DX? > There's a CP for a station on 780 in Monticello, Maine, up in > Aroostook > County, but to my knowledge it's not on the air yet. So I would > agree --- > it's likely CFDR, which has a country format. > -Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Don A" > Cc: "BRI" > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:19 AM > Subject: Re: 780AM DX? > > >> Possibly CFDR from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia >> >> On Nov 28, 2007 1:51 AM, Don A wrote: >> > Crusing around Northern New England after sunset, I am picking up > country >> > music on 780AM, where I usually pick up WBBM. >> > >> > Anyone have any idea who this could be? >> > >> > d >> > >> > >> > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Nov 28 10:08:20 2007 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:08:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Interesting interview with Joe Castiglione. Message-ID: <517976.86477.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sports Media Guide is a Web site that interviews prominent newspaper and broadcast personalities each week. It's really an interesting look at some folks' careers. This week, they interviewed Joe Castiglione, who talked about the world championships, his mentor Ken Coleman, late Pirates broadcaster Bob Prince and a bunch of other things. http://www.sportsmediaguide.com/20071119-JoeCastiglione.asp ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Nov 28 11:31:04 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:31:04 -0500 Subject: 780AM DX? Message-ID: <20071128163105.3E63049B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFDR_(AM) I have also picked up this station on 128 around Reading, after 5 pm. Wikipedia says the station calls itself Classic Country 780 but "Kixx" is in the logo pictured. They want to move to FM and switch to alternative rock, as another FM in the area already plays country. Their website is http://www.780kixx.ca/ Wikipedia does list a CKXX-FM in Corner Brook NF/Labrador which used to be at 1340 (it had country; jumped to FM in 1997...had switched calls from CKWK to CKXX in the early 90s). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CKXX-FM From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Nov 28 11:01:48 2007 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:01:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: CSN, Channel 38 split high school championships. In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711280756j324f80b5x4a44f6848c3e1c62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <798028.1234.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I worked camera for Super Bowls in Foxboro in the late 80's into the > 90's. > > Production was done by MediaOne's truck that was based in Cambridge ( > same > truck that would later be used by ATT 3 for AHL games ) that was > mainly used > for C-SPAN events at Harvard. > > Rights were actually owned by a guy in Attleboro (Chris Miller) who > then > bought time on SportsChannel. I don't remember the games on Sportschannel. I remember NESN doing the games until 1991 or so, then cutting coverage. (They used to cover the basketball and hockey championships, too.) Wouldn't it have been Continental Cablevision still at that time? Either way, glad to see the Krafts are doing this, probably paying at least something out of their own pocket. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Nov 28 12:20:15 2007 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:20:15 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 11, Issue 394 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711281722.lASHMXf6078856@tsornin.bostonradio.org> When I started at WSRO in 1995 they were indeed simlucasting on WGAW. There was some thought of independely programming WGAW around 1998 but it didn't pan out and the station was LMAed to WEIM, then sold shortly after. I bought WGAW. It was in very rough shape. We cleaned up the signal, added an automation system (wireready) and started programming using syndicated talk shows from TRN and RadioAmerica. Shortly after that, I got quite sick and sold WGAW, and I believe it was resold shortly thereafter to WEIM. WGAW had an enormous collection of very worn LP records, and the building was in real rough shape, overgrown, leaking, water lines had frozen, but the tower and site were OK. My regret was not having the time to build the station back to prosperity. Garner was a cute town, and the region is delightful. Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list >Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Nov 28 10:56:44 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:56:44 -0500 Subject: CSN, Channel 38 split high school championships. In-Reply-To: <237564.87136.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <237564.87136.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711280756j324f80b5x4a44f6848c3e1c62@mail.gmail.com> I worked camera for Super Bowls in Foxboro in the late 80's into the 90's. Production was done by MediaOne's truck that was based in Cambridge ( same truck that would later be used by ATT 3 for AHL games ) that was mainly used for C-SPAN events at Harvard. Rights were actually owned by a guy in Attleboro (Chris Miller) who then bought time on SportsChannel. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 28 12:48:10 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:48:10 -0500 Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three Message-ID: <20071128174810.7FFB81F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Chonak" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:11:31 -0500 >A brief AP story (11/27/07) says that New Hampshire Public Radio >has requested FCC permission for changes at six of its transmitter >sites: upgrades at Littleton, Colebrook, and Holderness/Plymouth, >and new outlets at Claremont, Laconia, and Peterborough. >Anyone know more about it? http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/11/27/nhpr_seeks_to_expand/ >--RC NHPR runs "Wait,Wait,Don't Tell Me" an hour earlier than WBUR on Saturdays, and last weekendthey made a special announcement about a new translator on 105.9 in Colebrook, so it would seemthey're set there. (Strange thing though: it utilizes a directional antenna with only the 1.000 radialgetting the full signal. You'd think that up that far, they could find a frequency without restrictions;there's a CP for 105.9 in Hardwick, VT about 50 miles away.) -- Over 2 Million Holiday Gift Ideas - Take a Look! mail.com shopping at http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 28 14:56:15 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:15 -0500 Subject: NHPR to add three stations and boost three Message-ID: <20071128195615.422421F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Laurence Glavin" >To: "Richard Chonak" , "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: NHPR to add three stations and boost three >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:48 >NHPR runs "Wait,Wait,Don't Tell Me" an hour earlier than WBUR on >Saturdays, and last weekendthey made a special announcement about a new >translator on 105.9 in Colebrook, so it would seemthey're set there. >(Strange thing though: it utilizes a directional antenna with only the >1.000 radial getting the full signal. You'd think that up that far, they >could find a frequency without restrictions;there's a CP for 105.9 in >Hardwick, VT about 50 miles away.) Ooops...let me rephrase that: the translator in question, W290BK , sends its full 220 mighty watts on the zero-degree radial right toward Colebrook itself, with some attenuation toward Metropolitan Colebrook's suburbs, such as Happy Corner! The NEW application is for 125 watts NDA on 90.3, from the same tower site. -- Over 2 Million Holiday Gift Ideas - Take a Look! mail.com shopping at http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Nov 28 15:26:07 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:26:07 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight Message-ID: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> It was the worst night in Boston history as 492 died at the Coconut Grove fire. I understand it was the first time in Boston radio history that the stations really went all out to cover breaking news. Donna may have some background on this. My Dad told me he listened to WBZ for something like 2 days straight as they would keep announcing the names of the dead. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 15:33:23 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:33:23 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0711281233l1bc19578m3a1f89907005d2f3@mail.gmail.com> Paul Benzaquin wrote a book about it, I believe. As horrible as the Station Nightclub fire was, consider that the death total at the Coconut Grove was nearly five times as much. On Nov 28, 2007 3:26 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It was the worst night in Boston history as 492 died at the Coconut Grove > fire. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Nov 28 15:34:20 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:34:20 -0500 Subject: Nick Mills Appeared on Nightside w/Dan Rae Message-ID: <474DD0CC.4080006@ttlc.net> Nick Mills (original member of Loren & Wally's "Men From Maine") and his mellifluous voice appeared last night on WBZ's Nightside with Dan Rae - talking about his new book. It appears he is now a full-time professor at Boston University and, except for an occasional appearance on L&W, is not working in radio. Whatta voice! From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 15:39:06 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:39:06 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight References: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02e301c831fe$be0015f0$6401a8c0@default> From: "Kevin Vahey" > It was the worst night in Boston history as 492 died at the Coconut Grove > fire. Radio/TV talk host and columnist Paul Benzaquin wrote a book about the event and considers himself to be an authority on all things Cocoanut Grove! http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Bostons-Cocoanut-Grove-Holocaust/dp/B0007DUIDO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196282027&sr=1-4 From billohno@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 18:28:22 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:28:22 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474DF996.4000101@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > It was the worst night in Boston history as 492 died at the Coconut Grove > fire.// > If Bill (Sr.)'s plans had worked out that night, he'd have been there. And it's likely that I wouldn't be here. Bill O'Neill (Jr.) // From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 28 19:30:23 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:30:23 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight In-Reply-To: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071129003025.4416644C0A3@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:26 PM 11/28/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >It was the worst night in Boston history as 492 died at the Coconut Grove >fire. > >I understand it was the first time in Boston radio history that the stations >really went all out to cover breaking news. Donna may have some background >on this. Actually, the late 30s was the time when more in-depth news coverage became common. In Boston, there were several brutal hurricanes in central and eastern Massachusetts that got lots of coverage in the mid to late 30s, plus in 1939, a submarine (the Squalus) sunk off the coast of NH, and that got everyone into intense coverage mode too. By the time of the Cocoanut Grove tragedy, you had the war in Europe going on, and nearly all stations had expanded their news coverage. Actually, the first stations to go out and cover news in Boston were as far back as the early 20s, when little WGI had a news-truck, as did WTAT (the portable station of the Edison Company and precursor to WEEI.). From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 28 19:33:41 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:33:41 -0500 Subject: 65 years ago tonight In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0711281233l1bc19578m3a1f89907005d2f3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770711281226x434d2ac3ya52787e681a6b145@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0711281233l1bc19578m3a1f89907005d2f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071129003343.2C31D44C128@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:33 PM 11/28/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >Paul Benzaquin wrote a book about it, I believe. And he had to change its name when it was re-issued. It was originally called "Holocaust." One of those who covered it for print was our friend Bill Buchanan who is alive and well and retired and living in Florida. Paul Benzaquin is still alive too. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Nov 28 11:05:11 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:05:11 -0500 Subject: CSN, Channel 38 split high school championships. In-Reply-To: <798028.1234.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770711280756j324f80b5x4a44f6848c3e1c62@mail.gmail.com> <798028.1234.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770711280805q42cbd2f9m6f5a6483dda428ff@mail.gmail.com> It may still have been Continental ( but that was a seamless merger back then ) Miller had the rights to baseball and football....we did the state baseball championship from Milford that was also on SportsChannel. Games were on about a one hour tape delay as Miller was shuttling tapes from Foxboro to Sportschannel in Woburn. From scott@fybush.com Fri Nov 30 16:36:48 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:36:48 -0500 Subject: Radio connection to NH Clinton office hostage situation Message-ID: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> That building in Rochester, NH that's been all over the news all day, where the guy's holed up in Hillary's local office with a gun? It's right across the street from the office building where Dennis Jackson's WMEX has its studios, and of course there's some solid live coverage going on there. http://1065wmex.com for the live stream... s From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 30 19:15:53 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:15:53 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? Message-ID: Maine Public Radio tonight had a story about the redevelopment of the old Hathaway factory building in Waterville, Maine. It said that three radio stations are going to be located in the building. Does anyone know what stations are going to be located there? I don't think any studios are currently located in Waterville, other than the Colby College station. The law firm that I am a partner in is located across town so I am interested in having a radio station in the neighborhood. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 22:22:52 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:22:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could Citadel be moving their Augusta stations? Or, it could be Rick Davis' cluster --- Dan Billings wrote: > Maine Public Radio tonight had a story about the > redevelopment of the old > Hathaway factory building in Waterville, Maine. It > said that three radio > stations are going to be located in the building. > Does anyone know what +++++ Are you looking for a DJ for your bar/club, event, or wedding? 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