From me@billoneill.us Tue May 1 15:23:09 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:23:09 -0400 Subject: 92.1 Champlain Valley Message-ID: <4637939D.3010308@billoneill.us> Just flipped - "92.1 Your True Oldies Channel." Running Scott Shannon from the bird now. Formerly Kiss-FM. (Good riddance!) Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Tue May 1 15:35:20 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:35:20 -0400 Subject: 92.1 Oldies Message-ID: <46379678.4000407@billoneill.us> Quick thought on this - Hall Comm. has new competition on it's oldies front (WKOL) as well as country (WTNN Bristol). The difference on the oldies side is it doesn't look like there'll be local presence and WKOL/Hall has a strong local presence and commitment. Jury is still out on WTNN. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Tue May 1 17:19:32 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 17:19:32 -0400 Subject: 1320 Randolph Message-ID: <4637AEE4.1090308@billoneill.us> "The Zone" WXZO (96.7 Plattsburg)//WEAV (960 Burlington) saying it has added WTSJ (1320 Randolph) to the simulcast. The Randolph 1kW had been simulcasting WTSL in the Upper Valley. Prior to that 1320 simulcast 1380 in Rutland. Listeners to the 1320 signal will lose the morning show but most of the remainder of the day is the same with WXZO (Glenn Beck, Rush) and will gain Hannity. 1320 does a decent job for a kW. The Greens in that neck of the woods are unforgiving to FM signals that lack any appreciable HAAT, but AMers like WDEV (550 Waterbury) and WTSJ (whose calls days are likely numbered) roll up and over "the gaps" with ease. I drive a LOT throughout Vermont and must say that AMers have bailed me out many a time when trying to keep up with a talker conversation, sporting event, etc. Bill O'Neill From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed May 2 10:08:11 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 07:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 92.1 Champlain Valley In-Reply-To: <4637939D.3010308@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <205392.6599.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Tue, 01 May 2007 15:23:09 Bill O'Neill wrote: > Just flipped - "92.1 Your True Oldies Channel." > Running Scott Shannon > from the bird now. Formerly Kiss-FM. (Good > riddance!) Wow, now maybe that signal will actually get some listeners! I never understood, and still don't understand why they didn't put Kiss-FM on 96.7, which is a much more centrally located signal for the market, and would've actually given that format at least a chance at surviving. I can't imagine that WXZO is doing that well ratingswise (how many FM talkers, in the big picture, do), and 92.1 is so far south that its inaudible anywhere north of Burlington itself (if its even strong in Burlington), and almost completely inaudible in Plattsbrugh. 92.1 was not exactly a frequency tailord to a CHR/Urban format, but with 50s-60s oldies I cans ee them actually getting some listeners. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed May 2 11:33:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:33:24 -0500 Subject: Herald: Finneran bombs in ratings Message-ID: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> "He may have had a captive audience on Beacon Hill, but thousands of talk show listeners are fleeing as ratings show ex-House Speaker Tom Finneran bombing in his new radio career. With the disgraced pol behind the microphone, WRKO lost nearly one-third of its morning drive audience among the key category of 25- to 54-year-old adults this winter compared to the same time last year, according to Arbitron winter ratings figures obtained by the Herald." http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=197979 Not sure exactly how much Entercom paid for Finneran or how long the contract runs for, but not good news for The Talk/Sox Station. Howie Carr (beating Severin in the ratings) and "Big Papi Strikes Again!" might help make up for it. From scott@fybush.com Wed May 2 12:46:28 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:46:28 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a one-man station in history? s From me@billoneill.us Wed May 2 13:04:35 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:04:35 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4638C4A3.5000004@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a > one-man station in history? > > s It's clear that Bob needs to make his operation more bloated. Hire consultants. Golf with ad buyers. A big-boy liner voice. Call Dallas for a box of jingles. How about a performance sound stage? Bill O'Neill From francini@mac.com Wed May 2 13:48:46 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:48:46 -0400 Subject: Herald: Finneran bombs in ratings In-Reply-To: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <202E05E5-17DB-4C16-8B95-5A2F1ECF6B7E@mac.com> Unfortunately, the article doesn't say anything about where the 25- to-54 audience has gone *to*. Have they gone to WEEI, with "Fatty and the Forehead" holding down the morning court, or somewhere else? j On 2 May 2007, at 11:33, Bob Nelson wrote: > "He may have had a captive audience on Beacon Hill, but thousands > of talk show listeners are fleeing as ratings show ex-House Speaker > Tom Finneran bombing in his new radio career. With the disgraced > pol behind the microphone, WRKO lost nearly one-third of its > morning drive audience among the key category of 25- to 54-year-old > adults this winter compared to the same time last year, according > to Arbitron winter ratings figures obtained by the Herald." > > http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=197979 > > Not sure exactly how much Entercom paid for Finneran or how long > the contract runs for, but not good news for The Talk/Sox > Station. Howie Carr (beating Severin in the ratings) and "Big Papi > Strikes Again!" might help make up for it. > From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 2 14:10:11 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:10:11 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: <20070502181011.A4A601F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: BRI >Subject: The Jibguy's ratings >Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:46:28 -0400 >Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good >friend Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has >more listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! >I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a >one-man station in history? >s It was a good rating period for stations with a COL of Cambridge; Hahvud's W-H-RB also made an appearance, at least on radioandrecords.com. = Replace with Metal Find Contractors. View Photos. Talk to Experts and More. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=db4f3b791c73563c5f038274f856a1c4 From rickajho@rcn.com Wed May 2 14:45:47 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:45:47 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4638DC5B.F02650A6@rcn.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > > Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend > Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more > listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! > > I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a > one-man station in history? > > s I think it's great. 8-) Bob got all the money he was asking to keep the station format as-is, he got enough donations well in advance of his deadline, and it sounds like in his on air annoucement about it that that even surprised him. Apparently all the computer modeling and testing stations do to attempt to gain even a smidgen more in listener share don't always get it right. Hell, they use the same testing dynamics, and they all come out sounding the same. WJIB certainly stands out against all the other stuff that's out there. As an aside - or maybe not - I noticed over the last several weeks that WJIB is playing what seems to be a broader selection of music with a lot less repeats. I don't know if that's an accident of the problem he announced about one of his "music computers" being out for repair, or if he's actually been adding more songs into the selection mix. Things don't sound as stale as they used to. Rick From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed May 2 17:23:56 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:23:56 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> References: <4638C064.8020802@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20070502212424.52AAF44CB3A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:46 PM 5/2/2007, Scott Fybush wrote: >Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good >friend Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has >more listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! And did I miss the numbers of WKOX/WXKS? Didn't they do better with progressive talk than they are doing with Spanish? 8-) From m1bz@hotmail.com Wed May 2 17:39:23 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:39:23 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <20070502212424.52AAF44CB3A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: From: Donna Halper >And did I miss the numbers of WKOX/WXKS? Didn't they do better with >progressive talk than they are doing with Spanish? 8-) > I think it's sound quality. Spanish-speaking listeners know how bad AM sounds, compared to FM. How long til a Boston FM is either bought by a Hispanic owner, or one of the conglomerates makes one of the stations Spanish full-time? _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed May 2 19:00:50 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:00:50 -0400 Subject: Herald: Finneran bombs in ratings In-Reply-To: <202E05E5-17DB-4C16-8B95-5A2F1ECF6B7E@mac.com> References: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <202E05E5-17DB-4C16-8B95-5A2F1ECF6B7E@mac.com> Message-ID: Entercom can afford to wait it out. I'm sure they figured some of the older, ultra-conservative listeners would defect, and probably figured Dennis and Callahan at WEEI would be the landing spot for that demo. With WTKK's morning show in flux as well, they can give Finneran the time to find the younger, more centrist audience they were looking for in mornings. If anything, Finneran could wind up being the beneficiary of the Imus firing. The I-man tended to be a more moderate conservative, which is closer to Finneran's politics than say Michael Graham's or Jay Severin's. Those listeners may check out WRKO this book. Besides, you can't make a determination this early, especially in talk radio. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 2, 2007, at 1:48 PM, John Francini wrote: > Unfortunately, the article doesn't say anything about where the > 25-to-54 audience has gone *to*. Have they gone to WEEI, with "Fatty > and the Forehead" holding down the morning court, or somewhere else? > > j > > On 2 May 2007, at 11:33, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> "He may have had a captive audience on Beacon Hill, but thousands of >> talk show listeners are fleeing as ratings show ex-House Speaker Tom >> Finneran bombing in his new radio career. With the disgraced pol >> behind the microphone, WRKO lost nearly one-third of its morning >> drive audience among the key category of 25- to 54-year-old adults >> this winter compared to the same time last year, according to >> Arbitron winter ratings figures obtained by the Herald." >> >> http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=197979 >> >> Not sure exactly how much Entercom paid for Finneran or how long the >> contract runs for, but not good news for The Talk/Sox >> Station. Howie Carr (beating Severin in the ratings) and "Big Papi >> Strikes Again!" might help make up for it. >> > From radiotony@comcast.net Wed May 2 19:19:24 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:19:24 -0400 Subject: Herald: Finneran bombs in ratings In-Reply-To: References: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <202E05E5-17DB-4C16-8B95-5A2F1ECF6B7E@mac.com> Message-ID: <002c01c78d10$53b40b90$fb1c22b0$@net> I've listened to the show twice, because I was down in Massachusetts and driving in my car, and I have to say that it's not very good. However, it does have potential. The first time I heard the show, Warren Tolman was guest co-hosting with Finneran and the show was a good political roundtable type of show and I listened to it the entire time I was in the car. It was like the old days. I like Warren, he is a good guy. And I also found it interesting that these former political foes would be able to do some pretty good, old-styled, talk radio. The other time I listened was on Earth Day, where Finneran was going off on some silly thing Sheryl Crow said about toilet paper use. He also went off on Hollywood liberals and it was just totally, totally lame, and that is being kind. It was struggling for things to say and going off on environmentalists not knowing what he was saying at all. It was pretty embarrassing. Best, Tony Schinella From rogerkola@aol.com Wed May 2 20:26:17 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:26:17 -0300 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) Message-ID: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Last try... Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick J Zach To: gemoto@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) HD Radio (cheap!) http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html From radiotony@comcast.net Wed May 2 21:40:36 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:40:36 -0400 Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <004e01c78d24$0cb31330$26193990$@net> Does anyone know if any of the stations broadcasting in HD in New Hampshire are doing anything interesting with the HD signals? Radio is so bad in N.H. right now, why bother? Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kolakowski Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:26 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) Last try... Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick J Zach To: gemoto@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) HD Radio (cheap!) http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed May 2 21:00:35 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:00:35 -0400 Subject: Herald: Finneran bombs in ratings References: <20070502153324.8A4D783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <202E05E5-17DB-4C16-8B95-5A2F1ECF6B7E@mac.com> <002c01c78d10$53b40b90$fb1c22b0$@net> Message-ID: <001001c78d1e$770cc790$0201a8c0@Family> in general, it saddens me, and i'm sure others like me, that a major market morning show - what one might consider a professional goal - is filled with the flavor of the week. now, granted, i'm not a talk show host. like many, i have opinions and i can listen well, but i'm still having fun playing the hits and, once in a while, crackin' wise. but, there are those who have for years labored at a target format, and are more than likely quite capable to do better than swell with a bit of support and/or marketing, coupled with a management team possessed of the mindset that consistency builds ratings - that a new show or talent really needs more than 2 books to do well. i think of our colleague, Bill O. well read, quick of wit and pretty dang insightful. likewise Auntie Donna, who at one time programmed the mighty 680. now 6-8-Oh has become an on-air cesspool. i have no other way to put it. as talented as Howie is, he is filled with either an abundance of hatred or envy - i'm not sure which. if he were neither of the aforementioned things, he wouldn't have spent airtime talking with a "network audience" in such a negative manner about his co-workers. for lack of a better term, Rush and Finneran are that - co-workers. i could never, EVER imagine blowing up a station's overall positioning, on-air, in such a way. but yet, it happens every single day on that station. if wrko were considered a "family," they'd need some serious counselling. suggestion to the wrko team - slap howie up-side the head and take him down a peg. he ain't that good. and he's a radio carpet-bagger, as far as i'm concerned. he'll kiss off radio quicker than he can hit the "book" cash-register as soon as MSNBC or some other visual outlet gives him a shot. Howie is a great writer. probably a nice guy and a good dad. he is not a great broadcaster (my opinion). Rush is Rush - the station does well with his show, and from what i've never heard from Rush, he doesn't really acknowledge the programming on before or after his. Mr.Finneran is not a radio host. maybe some day. but, like the majority who came before him - go to a small market and get some experience. i am not, nor have i ever been, a fan of johnny-come-lately's to radio. not to say that some of the interlopers into what i consider a labor of love more than a means to an end are not qualified. and to those individuals, i will suffer the sin of personal envy. just my .02, adjusted for inflation - - Chuck From scott@fybush.com Wed May 2 22:33:58 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:33:58 -0400 Subject: Wearing yet another of my many hats (Fybush on TV...again...) Message-ID: <46394A16.2090400@fybush.com> In addition to being a fill-in newsperson on WXXI public radio here in Rochester, I occasionally get dragged in front of the cameras at our sister station, WXXI-TV...and those of you within range of NH Public TV or Schenectady's WMHT can see one of those appearances tomorrow. This week, I was the fill-in anchor on Assignment: The World, a neat little 15-minute show that WXXI has produced for classroom use for 48 years (going back to the days before we even had a broadcast license, when the "Rochester Area Educational Television Association" produced programming that the two commercial stations in town carried.) It's a weekly show that uses current news events to educate students in elementary and middle school about geography and social studies, and I was happy to be a part of it, especially since I grew up watching the program way back when. You can see it Thursday afternoon at either 4 or 4:15 PM on NHPTV (I think they show last week's show first, then the new episode), Thursday at 12:30 PM on WMHT, and here's a list of other airings in North Dakota, Grand Rapids and other garden spots around our great nation: http://atwonline.org/broadcast.html You can even read a script of the show, if you have nothing better to do: http://atwonline.org/scripts/2006/050307.html s From scott@fybush.com Wed May 2 23:04:22 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:04:22 -0400 Subject: Wearing yet another of my many hats (Fybush on TV...again...) In-Reply-To: <46394A16.2090400@fybush.com> References: <46394A16.2090400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <46395136.2040308@fybush.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > In addition to being a fill-in newsperson on WXXI public radio here in > Rochester, I occasionally get dragged in front of the cameras at our > sister station, WXXI-TV...and those of you within range of NH Public TV > or Schenectady's WMHT can see one of those appearances tomorrow. And now...this important correction: that would be 4-4:30 *AM* on Thursday on NHPTV...so set those VCRs/DVRs/kinescope recorders before you go to bed! s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed May 2 23:38:33 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:38:33 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so popular in the 50's after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the Muntz TVs that sold so well in NY. Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Last try... > > Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick J Zach > To: gemoto@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM > Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > > HD Radio (cheap!) > > http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed May 2 23:51:08 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:51:08 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <46395C2C.6010600@ttlc.net> There's also a $40 rebate coupon on the site - bringing the total cost down to $59.95. Whatta Deal! http://www.hdradio.com/2007_HDRadio_Rebate.pdf Wonder if it actually works? Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Last try... > > Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... > > Roger > WA1KAT > http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html > > From dave@skywaves.net Wed May 2 23:45:47 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:45:47 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004f01c78d35$891b4f80$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Mad Man Muntz. Now there's a memory! -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so popular in the 50's after > WWII surplus hit the market as well as the Muntz TVs that sold so well > in NY. > > > > Roger Kolakowski wrote: >> Last try... >> >> Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... >> >> Roger >> WA1KAT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rick J Zach >> To: gemoto@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM >> Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) >> >> HD Radio (cheap!) >> >> http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html >> >> > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 3 01:03:33 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:03:33 -0500 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray>, <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <463926D5.8895.6431C7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 May 2007 at 23:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so popular in the 50's > after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the Muntz TVs that sold > so well in NY. My parents got one in Boston! We got better reception on the built- in antenna (a wire across the top of the inside of the cabinet) than the neighbors got with a roof antenna. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From bradfordwood@comcast.net Thu May 3 07:14:27 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (Bradford Wood) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 07:14:27 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4639C413.6000907@comcast.net> If it didn't happen with the move by CC into the Boston market with Rumba, it won't happen with any other FM'er. I actually subscribed to the possibility that Jam'n was going to go Spanish, but when it went to 1430/1200 - that didn't surprise me either. Still waiting for them to go HD to give Costa/Eagle a run for their money, but I digress. While there is a growing Hispanic population in the Boston market, it is not yet enough to garner the money that would be needed to support a full time FM'er in Boston. But when that happens - my money is on Jam'n and CC. The other problem is the Spanish format - there's not just one hardcore format. Its broken down into many various formats (tejano, bachatta, and reggaton just to name a few) - and from what I understand - you can't really mix one or more of them successfully. BW Michael E wrote: > From: Donna Halper > >> And did I miss the numbers of WKOX/WXKS? Didn't they do better with >> progressive talk than they are doing with Spanish? 8-) >> > > I think it's sound quality. > > Spanish-speaking listeners know how bad AM sounds, compared to FM. > How long til a Boston FM is either bought by a Hispanic owner, or one > of the conglomerates makes one of the stations Spanish full-time? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 3 07:28:45 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:28:45 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> <004f01c78d35$891b4f80$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <001e01c78d76$3b3784a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Brings up a fantastic old commercial/old radio/semi-classical music trivia question: What semi-classical piece was the basis for TWO 1940s-era singing commercials for two totally unrelated products and what were the products? (Different parts of the music selection, which had no vocal in its original incarnation, were used in the two different singing commercials from the same era.) Answer below Artists Life Waltz by Johann Strauss (I think the younger Johann Strauss--but someone will correct me if I'm wrong) The commercials were for La Boheme wine (which, in an incredibly declasse touch--appropriate, I guess, for a cheap sweet red wine that appealed mostly to winos--was pronounced La BoHEME not La Bo-emm, which is the correct French pronunciation) and Mad Man Muntz Car Dealership and Kaiser-Fraser automobiles. The lyrics went: "With La BoHEME, you can't go wrong/it's the wine that real-ly rates a song" and "Kai'-zer-Frai'-zer/yours at once/di-rect from Mad Man Muntz." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > Mad Man Muntz. > > Now there's a memory! > > -Dave Doherty > Skywaves, Inc. > 97 Webster Street > Worcester, MA 01603 > 508-425-7176 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Kirk" > To: "Roger Kolakowski" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > > > > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so popular in the 50's after > > WWII surplus hit the market as well as the Muntz TVs that sold so well > > in NY. > > > > > > > > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > >> Last try... > >> > >> Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... > >> > >> Roger > >> WA1KAT > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Rick J Zach > >> To: gemoto@googlegroups.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM > >> Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > >> > >> HD Radio (cheap!) > >> > >> http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 3 07:33:16 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:33:16 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <4639C413.6000907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002801c78d76$db6f24a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WXKS (AM) 1430 has been running HD since long before the switch to Rumba. WKOX will also run HD once the move to Newton is complete. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradford Wood" To: "Michael E" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:14 AM Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > If it didn't happen with the move by CC into the Boston market with > Rumba, it won't happen with any other FM'er. I actually subscribed to > the possibility that Jam'n was going to go Spanish, but when it went to > 1430/1200 - that didn't surprise me either. Still waiting for them to > go HD to give Costa/Eagle a run for their money, but I digress. While > there is a growing Hispanic population in the Boston market, it is not > yet enough to garner the money that would be needed to support a full > time FM'er in Boston. But when that happens - my money is on Jam'n and CC. > > The other problem is the Spanish format - there's not just one hardcore > format. Its broken down into many various formats (tejano, bachatta, > and reggaton just to name a few) - and from what I understand - you > can't really mix one or more of them successfully. > > BW > > Michael E wrote: > > From: Donna Halper > > > >> And did I miss the numbers of WKOX/WXKS? Didn't they do better with > >> progressive talk than they are doing with Spanish? 8-) > >> > > > > I think it's sound quality. > > > > Spanish-speaking listeners know how bad AM sounds, compared to FM. > > How long til a Boston FM is either bought by a Hispanic owner, or one > > of the conglomerates makes one of the stations Spanish full-time? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > > http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapr il07 > > > > > > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu May 3 11:04:56 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <463926D5.8895.6431C7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > On 2 May 2007 at 23:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so > popular in the 50's > > after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the > Muntz TVs that sold > > so well in NY. > > My parents got one in Boston! We got better > reception on the built- > in antenna (a wire across the top of the inside of > the cabinet) than > the neighbors got with a roof antenna. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax > 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > Ah, yes!!! Mad Man Muntz and his gutted TV's. Numb as all hell. I can still recall those radio commercials on WMEX..... "Call 442-7000 and you'll see Muntz TV-eeeeeee! Call 442-7000.... see Muntz TV today-yyyyyyy! God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the transmitters to get a good picture. For all intents and purposes, Muntz TV's had virtually no front end. The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz color TV sets) were even worse. (Yuck!) Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu May 3 11:22:40 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:22:40 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: > > From: "Michael E" > To: dlh@donnahalper.com, scott@fybush.com, > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:39:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > > From: Donna Halper > > >And did I miss the numbers of WKOX/WXKS? Didn't they do > >better with progressive talk than they are doing with > >Spanish? 8-) > > I think it's sound quality. Spanish-speaking listeners > know how bad AM sounds, compared to FM. That doesn't necessarily keep the audience from listening entirely, though. Note that in this same book, Spanish AM 800 WNNW Lawrence pulled a very respectable number for an AM signal that is weak in Boston by day, and is generally not listenable south of the 128/93 interchange at night. Perhaps almost all of their numbers may come from listeners in the Lawrence/Lowell/Merrimack Valley areas, but it beat many other low-tiered Boston based AM's in the Boston book while only covering a portion of the market. Meanwhile, WKOX/WXKS, which covers Boston's neighborhoods well by day via 1430, and also covers the lower North Shore 24/7 where there's some Spanish population as well, is still bubbling under the published threshold (0.4) somewhere. 800 WNNW got at least a (speculated) three times the numbers of WKOX/WXKS in the Boston book. Very strange. EP From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu May 3 12:37:30 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48979.12.37.144.130.1178210250.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Belated congratulations to Bob. I'm still jonesing to babysit WJIB on weekends...just for bus fare to and back and maybe a sandwich. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu May 3 13:53:32 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:53:32 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! References: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Sounds like we've got a "pro" and a "con" on Muntz TVs here. I remember the ads, too. But I never knew anyone who had one of the sets. Is there anyone else out there knows about them first-hand? You guys have got me really curious now. And what about those do-it-yourself TV kits, with which a person (presumably one with some electronics knowhow) could build his own set? I can't remember the name of the company that offered those. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Roger Kirk" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! > > On 2 May 2007 at 23:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > > > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so > > popular in the 50's > > > after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the > > Muntz TVs that sold > > > so well in NY. > > > > My parents got one in Boston! We got better > > reception on the built- > > in antenna (a wire across the top of the inside of > > the cabinet) than > > the neighbors got with a roof antenna. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > > 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax > > 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 > > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > Ah, yes!!! Mad Man Muntz and his gutted TV's. Numb as > all hell. I can still recall those radio commercials > on WMEX..... > > "Call 442-7000 and you'll see Muntz TV-eeeeeee! Call > 442-7000.... see Muntz TV today-yyyyyyy! > > God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the > transmitters to get a good picture. For all intents > and purposes, Muntz TV's had virtually no front end. > The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz color TV sets) > were even worse. (Yuck!) > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Thu May 3 13:31:24 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:31:24 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070503132923.02665e00@BelloAssoc.com> Heathkit At 01:53 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >Sounds like we've got a "pro" and a "con" on Muntz TVs here. I remember the >ads, too. But I never knew anyone who had one of the sets. Is there anyone >else out there knows about them first-hand? You guys have got me really >curious now. And what about those do-it-yourself TV kits, with which a >person (presumably one with some electronics knowhow) could build his own >set? I can't remember the name of the company that offered those. > >-Doug > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Q. George" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Roger Kirk" > >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:04 AM >Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! > > > > > On 2 May 2007 at 23:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so > > > popular in the 50's > > > > after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the > > > Muntz TVs that sold > > > > so well in NY. > > > > > > My parents got one in Boston! We got better > > > reception on the built- > > > in antenna (a wire across the top of the inside of > > > the cabinet) than > > > the neighbors got with a roof antenna. > > > > > > -- > > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > > > 617.367.0468 > > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax > > > 617.742.7581 > > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 > > > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, yes!!! Mad Man Muntz and his gutted TV's. Numb as > > all hell. I can still recall those radio commercials > > on WMEX..... > > > > "Call 442-7000 and you'll see Muntz TV-eeeeeee! Call > > 442-7000.... see Muntz TV today-yyyyyyy! > > > > God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the > > transmitters to get a good picture. For all intents > > and purposes, Muntz TV's had virtually no front end. > > The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz color TV sets) > > were even worse. (Yuck!) > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > > Whitman, Massachusetts > > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie1@yahoo.com > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > > *********************************************************** > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com From readaaron@friedbagels.com Thu May 3 12:30:13 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:30:13 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com> This begs a question I've often wondered? Is the WJIB "Model of Success" portable to another signal? For example, let's say (in a parallel universe) Peter Smyth looks at WJIB and looks at WBOS and decides that it's time for the "format of the month" to come to an end, and he wants to hire Bob to run WBOS *exactly* like WJIB. Not just the programming, but also the managerial freedom. Assuming, for a moment, that Bob would take the job...could you pick up WJIB's programming (lack of commercials and all), drop it on WBOS, and still have it work? Would the "ban" of commercials be too hindering to justify the rent on the Pru anymore? -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a one-man station in history? s From francini@mac.com Thu May 3 13:50:04 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:50:04 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: As with most things, it would appear that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Check out for a fairly sympathetic story about Muntz' skills as an engineer. j On 3 May 2007, at 13:53, Doug Drown wrote: > Sounds like we've got a "pro" and a "con" on Muntz TVs here. I > remember the > ads, too. But I never knew anyone who had one of the sets. Is > there anyone > else out there knows about them first-hand? You guys have got me > really > curious now. And what about those do-it-yourself TV kits, with > which a > person (presumably one with some electronics knowhow) could build > his own > set? I can't remember the name of the company that offered those. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Q. George" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Roger Kirk" > > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:04 AM > Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! > > >>> On 2 May 2007 at 23:38, Roger Kirk wrote: >>> >>>> Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so >>> popular in the 50's >>>> after WWII surplus hit the market as well as the >>> Muntz TVs that sold >>>> so well in NY. >>> >>> My parents got one in Boston! We got better >>> reception on the built- >>> in antenna (a wire across the top of the inside of >>> the cabinet) than >>> the neighbors got with a roof antenna. >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. >>> 617.367.0468 >>> 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax >>> 617.742.7581 >>> Boston, MA 02108-2503 >>> http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> Ah, yes!!! Mad Man Muntz and his gutted TV's. Numb as >> all hell. I can still recall those radio commercials >> on WMEX..... >> >> "Call 442-7000 and you'll see Muntz TV-eeeeeee! Call >> 442-7000.... see Muntz TV today-yyyyyyy! >> >> God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the >> transmitters to get a good picture. For all intents >> and purposes, Muntz TV's had virtually no front end. >> The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz color TV sets) >> were even worse. (Yuck!) >> >> >> Peter Q. George (K1XRB) >> Whitman, Massachusetts >> "Scanning the bands since 1967" >> radiojunkie1@yahoo.com >> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com >> *********************************************************** >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu May 3 13:52:59 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:52:59 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000601c78dab$e822d770$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- And what about those do-it-yourself TV kits, > with which a > person (presumably one with some electronics knowhow) could > build his own set? I can't remember the name of the company > that offered those. Heathkit TV's were popular for a while, made by Heath Company (now Heath-Zenith) of Benton Harbor, Michigan. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 3 13:55:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:55:54 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WJIB's automation system could handle commercials--if Bob wanted commercials, which he doesn't. The unanswered question is, if you added commercials to the mix, whether the audience would materially decrease. I think it would decrease, but whether the decrease would be significant is a different question. My guess is that the decrease would not be significant. HOWEVER, a breakdown of the audience demographics would probably show that, good numbers notwithstanding, this is not an audience that advertisers would pay to have hear their commercials. According to agency and sales force folklore, the people are too old, don't buy anything, and each has a minimum of one foot in the grave. Would a shift to FM increase the audience numbers more than enough to offset the loss from airing commercials? I think so. Would the demos improve? I bet yes on that one too. Would the demos improve enough to make the audience something a Greater Media sales force could sell to advertisers? No way! Remember, anyone GM would hire to sell WJIB believes the too old crap as much as the agencies do. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: The Jibguy's ratings > This begs a question I've often wondered? Is the WJIB "Model of > Success" portable to another signal? > > For example, let's say (in a parallel universe) Peter Smyth looks at > WJIB and looks at WBOS and decides that it's time for the "format of the > month" to come to an end, and he wants to hire Bob to run WBOS *exactly* > like WJIB. Not just the programming, but also the managerial freedom. > > Assuming, for a moment, that Bob would take the job...could you pick up > WJIB's programming (lack of commercials and all), drop it on WBOS, and > still have it work? > > Would the "ban" of commercials be too hindering to justify the rent on > the Pru anymore? > > -- > > > -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02446-2204 > > > > Anyone else notice the 12+ numbers that just came out? Our good friend > Mr. Bittner didn't just crack a 1-share...he apparently has more > listeners 12+ than WFNX or WXRV, and is gaining on WBOS! > > I wonder if this isn't the most impressive ratings performance by a > one-man station in history? > > s > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu May 3 14:45:15 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <650968.96974.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > Sounds like we've got a "pro" and a "con" on Muntz > TVs here. I remember the > ads, too. But I never knew anyone who had one of > the sets. Is there anyone > else out there knows about them first-hand? YES. I have seen these sets. And old girlfriend of mine had a backup 1964 Muntz Color set at her parents' house (circa 1975-76). The picture was pretty good, provided you had an outside aerial. With an inside rabbit ear antenna, outside 20 miles of Needham, it was like multi-colored confetti. UHF, forget it. NUMB! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu May 3 17:41:37 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:41:37 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <002701c78d7f$4bfccc10$680fa8c0@BrianVaio> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> <002701c78d7f$4bfccc10$680fa8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <463A5711.8060009@ttlc.net> Brian Vita wrote: > OK, I'll bite. I'm a young-un. What's a Loft radio or a Muntz TV? > As told to me by a radio-tv repairman who started in 1928 (at the age of 13): Loft Radio: According to him, when WWII electronic surplus came on the market, entrepreneurs would hire engineers to design radios using whatever parts were available in large quantities, cheap! The designs were frequently, unusual, but they worked. Usually, they were assembled by inexpensive local labor (New York) in cheaply-rented space e.g. a loft. Hence the name. They were made in batches - the size of which was governed by the the number of parts available. Undocumented, sold locally under unusual names and almost never covered by Sams' Photofacts. Conformance with UL was, no doubt, a mystery. Problems arose when they malfunctioned and were brought to a repair shop. With no schematic to guide the technician and an unorthodox design, it was a real challenge to bring it back to life. Muntz TV: Alledgedly, MR. Muntz contracted with one or more engineers to design CHEAP televisions. According to lore, they would buy a brand-name TV (let's say RCA for example) and with schematics in hand, they would disconnect components one by one e.g. bypass caps, gain stages, etc. If it made little or no difference in the picture, it was noted and discarded. The final result was (usually) a TV that worked "decently" in a high signal strength area e.g. NY City. Stability and quality of picture on a distant signal was nil. BUT, it was cheap! Some people owned them and subsequently moved to a state like Maine where TV signals were few, distant and multi-path (ghosting) was a constant problem. The lack of picture quality was immediately apparent and TV repairmen had difficulty explaining to disbelieving customers that there really wasn't anything wrong with their TV, except it just wasn't very well designed. This is how it was told to me by one who had to repair them from time to time. Can anybody else corroborate? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu May 3 17:47:55 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:47:55 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <463A588B.7090403@ttlc.net> Peter Q. George wrote: >> Ah, yes!!! Mad Man Muntz and his gutted TV's. Numb as >> all hell. I can still recall those radio commercials >> on WMEX..... >> >> "Call 442-7000 and you'll see Muntz TV-eeeeeee! Call >> 442-7000.... see Muntz TV today-yyyyyyy! >> >> God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the >> transmitters to get a good picture. For all intents >> and purposes, Muntz TV's had virtually no front end. >> The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz color TV sets) >> were even worse. (Yuck!) >> Here's the whole story: http://www.smecc.org/mad_man_muntz!.htm From kenwvt@gmail.com Thu May 3 12:09:04 2007 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:09:04 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <001e01c78d76$3b3784a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> <004f01c78d35$891b4f80$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <001e01c78d76$3b3784a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <647737520705030909o4585bd0em2597d9604152a3a0@mail.gmail.com> There is very little HD Radio being transmitted in NH: The HDRadio.com website lists all the stations by city and state. Concord, NH 89.1 WEVO-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio Concord, NH 88.3 WEVS-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio Keene, NH 1220 WZBK-HD AM Music of Your Life Saga Manchester, NH 95.7 WZID-HD1 FM AC Saga -Ken On 5/3/07, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Brings up a fantastic old commercial/old radio/semi-classical music trivia > question: > > What semi-classical piece was the basis for TWO 1940s-era singing > commercials for two totally unrelated products and what were the products? > (Different parts of the music selection, which had no vocal in its original > incarnation, were used in the two different singing commercials from the > same era.) > > Answer below > > > > > > > > > > Artists Life Waltz by Johann Strauss (I think the younger Johann > Strauss--but someone will correct me if I'm wrong) > > The commercials were for La Boheme wine (which, in an incredibly declasse > touch--appropriate, I guess, for a cheap sweet red wine that appealed mostly > to winos--was pronounced La BoHEME not La Bo-emm, which is the correct > French pronunciation) and Mad Man Muntz Car Dealership and Kaiser-Fraser > automobiles. > > The lyrics went: "With La BoHEME, you can't go wrong/it's the wine that > real-ly rates a song" and "Kai'-zer-Frai'-zer/yours at once/di-rect from Mad > Man Muntz." > > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Roger Kolakowski" > > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > > > > Mad Man Muntz. > > > > Now there's a memory! > > > > -Dave Doherty > > Skywaves, Inc. > > 97 Webster Street > > Worcester, MA 01603 > > 508-425-7176 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roger Kirk" > > To: "Roger Kolakowski" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:38 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > > > > > > > Brings to mind the "Loft Radios" that were so popular in the 50's after > > > WWII surplus hit the market as well as the Muntz TVs that sold so well > > > in NY. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > > >> Last try... > > >> > > >> Not a recommendation or a solicitation...you see what I see... > > >> > > >> Roger > > >> WA1KAT > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Rick J Zach > > >> To: gemoto@googlegroups.com > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:37 PM > > >> Subject: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) > > >> > > >> HD Radio (cheap!) > > >> > > >> http://www.radiosophy.com/products/hd100.html > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rickajho@rcn.com Thu May 3 17:11:32 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:11:32 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com> <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <463A5004.F69D7BA9@rcn.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > > WJIB's automation system could handle commercials--if Bob wanted > commercials, which he doesn't. The unanswered question is, if you added > commercials to the mix, whether the audience would materially decrease. I > think it would decrease, but whether the decrease would be significant is a > different question. My guess is that the decrease would not be significant. > HOWEVER, a breakdown of the audience demographics would probably show that, > good numbers notwithstanding, this is not an audience that advertisers would > pay to have hear their commercials. According to agency and sales force > folklore, the people are too old, don't buy anything, and each has a minimum > of one foot in the grave. Would a shift to FM increase the audience numbers > more than enough to offset the loss from airing commercials? I think so. > Would the demos improve? I bet yes on that one too. Would the demos improve > enough to make the audience something a Greater Media sales force could sell > to advertisers? No way! Remember, anyone GM would hire to sell WJIB believes > the too old crap as much as the agencies do. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > Since we're only talking theoretically here... I don't necessarily agree. Surveys are already showing that the younger age groups who all this marketing is supposed to be targeted at aren't even listening to radio any more, getting their music from MP3 downloads and independent net broadcasting instead. And since the baby boom generation is statistically massive and won't be shrinking any time soon there certainly should be an audience for WJIB type music for those less inclined to diddle with MP3 players. Which may go to the point of why WJIB is doing better in the ratings than it is allegedly supposed to be doing. You might have 40 stations out there that all sound the same geared to a younger demographic. Doesn't mean the target audience is actually listening. As far as advertisers go, all I can say is they aren't targeting the plethora of erectile dysfunction ads on TeeVee at 20 year olds. Or pain medications ads, or pain medications masquerading as heart attack prevention, or life insurance policies, or health insurance supplement policies, or retirement and investment planning, or "prevention" vitamins, or power wheelchairs or... There's certainly enough product advertising to support *ONE* WJIB type music format station in a large metropolitan area, should a media giant owner and their marketing machine ever be able to put two and two together without running it through a computer marketing model that isn't as narrow minded as most of them are. Rick From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu May 3 20:09:25 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 20:09:25 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: > > From: Aaron Read > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:30:13 -0400 > Subject: The Jibguy's ratings > > For example, let's say (in a parallel universe) Peter Smyth > looks at WJIB and looks at WBOS and decides ... he wants to > hire Bob to run WBOS *exactly* like WJIB. Not just the > programming, but also the managerial freedom. > > Assuming, for a moment, that Bob would take the job...could > you pick up WJIB's programming (lack of commercials and all) > drop it on WBOS, and still have it work? > > Would the "ban" of commercials be too hindering to justify > the rent on the Pru anymore? You're asking if the WJIB programming could work on WBOS WITHOUT commercials? How would Greater Media make money from the station without commercials? Major commercial broadcasting companies like Greater Media are all about making money! I doubt they would ever want to conduct an on-air fund drive like Bob did, and they're not about providing a community service and just raising the funds to cover expenses without making a significant profit. Sure, Bob has proved, not only by his fundraising success, but also by his ratings, that his programming could likely get fairly decent numbers on such a signal, but a company like Greater Media would never adopt his fundraising model and run an (effectively) non-commercial station. EP From ewerme@comcast.net Thu May 3 20:37:53 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Heathkit: (was)Re: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! Message-ID: <20070504003753.4C90B10254@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > Sounds like we've got a "pro" and a "con" on Muntz TVs here. I remember the > ads, too. But I never knew anyone who had one of the sets. Is there anyone > else out there knows about them first-hand? You guys have got me really > curious now. And what about those do-it-yourself TV kits, with which a > person (presumably one with some electronics knowhow) could build his own > set? I can't remember the name of the company that offered those. Heathkit. Generally very good stuff, and building a Color TV was kinda the pinnacle of the kits. I never built a TV, but always wanted to. One sort of frustration was that you could build the kit and not really learn much about the electronics. The manuals did have a good theory of operation section, but they tested the assembly instructions on newly hired secretaries. The products often had diagnostic stuff built in, I think the color TVs had a convergence generator. They were best known for audio equipment, but all my audio stuff has died. A digital multimeter works fine, an RS232 breakout box is good (a transistor or two per signal line, so it's not just LEDS). The most challenging kit I built was an Audio Spectrum Analyzer that works pretty well except for a noisy power supply for the electroluminescent display. That has half octave resolution with narrow band active filters for each. A lot of precision resistors laid out "cordwood style". Eventually they had to abandon kits, both because people stopped having time to build them and because automated assembly techniques and surface mount components made handmade circuit boards impractical. A friend who did build a Color TV called the rail freight company and asked how much shipping would be for the 100+ lb package shipped from Western Michigan. After a few more queries, Bill mentioned it was a Heathkit Color TV. The agent said, "Oh, why didn't you say so in the first place, it's $56.00." Or whatever rail freight was then. Bill wasn't at home when for the first delivery attempt and came home to a note with a phone number to call to arrange a new date. He called the next morning and the agent couldn't find the package, suggesting the delivery guy might have loaded it up again without waiting for the scheduled date. Bill figured he better stay home and sure enough, the delivery guy showed up and mentioned his cousin had built one and was so excited about it that he felt it was worth bringing it anyway. Always wanted to build one, though installing the picture tube was a very nervewracking experience. A lot of energy in that vacuum. :-) Never heard of someone breaking a picture tube though. Heathkit also produced a lot of ham radio gear, as you might imagine. I think a few hams are guardians of the remnants of the Heath spare parts business. -Ric Werme From radiotony@comcast.net Thu May 3 21:22:01 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:22:01 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <647737520705030909o4585bd0em2597d9604152a3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> <004f01c78d35$891b4f80$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <001e01c78d76$3b3784a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <647737520705030909o4585bd0em2597d9604152a3a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c78dea$9e51e7a0$daf5b6e0$@net> Thanks Ken. That's pretty sad. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:09 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) There is very little HD Radio being transmitted in NH: The HDRadio.com website lists all the stations by city and state. Concord, NH 89.1 WEVO-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio Concord, NH 88.3 WEVS-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio Keene, NH 1220 WZBK-HD AM Music of Your Life Saga Manchester, NH 95.7 WZID-HD1 FM AC Saga -Ken From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 4 00:37:54 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:37:54 -0500 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <463926D5.8895.6431C7@joe.attorneyross.com>, <332758.68976.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463A7252.18665.EF72D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 May 2007 at 8:04, Peter Q. George wrote: > God, you'd have to be within the visual sight of the transmitters > to get a good picture. For all intents and purposes, Muntz TV's had > virtually no front end. The color ones (yes, there WERE Muntz > color TV sets) were even worse. (Yuck!) Well, having lived with one of them, I don't think they were all that bad. My parents bought the Muntz TV in 1949, when we were living in Allston. We got both Boston stations (4 and 7) fine. In those days, Channel 4 transmitted from the tall tower on Soldiers Field Road that could be seen all over Allston until it was destroyed by Hurricane Carol in 1954. But channel 7 was somewhere around the Medford-Malden line. We got both stations fine on the built-in antenna (which, as I've said, was a length of wire that ran across the inside top of the cabinet. I still have that wire and use it today as an FM antenna). When WJAR-TV in Providence moved from channel 11 to channel 10, I tried it and got sound, but no picture. It did break down now and then, usually a tube. Eventually my father got a book called "Telefixit," which explained in lay terms how to do the adjustments and replace tubes yourself. For awhile in the 50s and 60s, every drugstore had a tube tester and a supply of the most common types of tubes for sale. As the on-line article notes, there was no fine-tuning control. I didn't understand why other TV sets needed them, since our TV was always tuned, at least until new stations came on. I also never saw our TV picture slip horizontally. When we moved to Albany in 1953, there was only one VHF station, WRGB in Schenectady, which was then on channel 4. The apartment building we were in had a building antenna, which we used. When WRGB moved from channel 4 to channel 6, we got lousy reception because the tuner needed adjustment. Apparently this was happening all over the area, and there was a long wait for a serviceman to adjust it. One day my father called me into the livingroom, and when I saw the clear, sharp picture on the TV, he was my hero for the next couple of days at least. I was 8 years old at the time. He had wrapped electric tape around a screwdriver and done the adjustment himself. The next year we moved to a suburban house, and the TV again got channel 6 fine on its built-in antenna. The picture-positioning adjustments, which consisted of some coils around the picture tube, tended to need adjustment after each move. When we moved to Bedford in 1957, we found that it got only channel 4, and sound on channel 2. My parents decided to get a new Philco TV, and I, at age 12, read Telefixit to figure out how to fix it up. Eventually, I replaced a tube in the tuner section, and it got channel 7 again, as well as channel 9 in Manchester. With a rabbit ears, it got both of them quite well. It also got a picture on channel 2. When Channel 5 came on in November 1957, I did the tuner adjustment myself. You had to remove the three front knobs and then remove a metal panel behind the knobs to get access to the screw adjustment. It really wasn't that difficult an adjustment. The set died around 1960, when suddenly the screen was dark. One of the tubes in the high voltage power section had gone, as I verified at a drugstore tube tester. But I didn't have the money to replace it, and my parents didn't want to spend any more money on that TV. By that time, we had two newer TVs. So we eventually gave the innards to the electronics lab at the VA Hospital, where my mother worked, and my father and I made a couple of bookcases from the cabinet. Anyway, that was my experience with a Muntz TV. It did manage to get Channel 9 in Manchester, from Bedford, MA. It didn't get the Providence stations, which did come in rather snowy on our other TVs. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 4 00:37:55 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:37:55 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com> References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <463A7253.32221.EFA69@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 May 2007 at 12:30, Aaron Read wrote: > This begs a question I've often wondered? Is the WJIB "Model of > Success" portable to another signal? > > For example, let's say (in a parallel universe) Peter Smyth looks at > WJIB and looks at WBOS and decides that it's time for the "format of > the month" to come to an end, and he wants to hire Bob to run WBOS > *exactly* like WJIB. Not just the programming, but also the > managerial freedom. > > Assuming, for a moment, that Bob would take the job...could you pick > up WJIB's programming (lack of commercials and all), drop it on WBOS, > and still have it work? > > Would the "ban" of commercials be too hindering to justify the rent on > the Pru anymore? well, how would the station make money? Lease a few hours on Sunday? Ask for listener contributions? I don't think the former would be enough to satisfy a corporate owner, and I don't think a corporate- owned station would command the kind of listener-loyalty that allowed Bob to get such a great response. And the higher cost would mean more money would have to be realized. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 4 00:37:54 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:37:54 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com>, <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <463A7252.17952.EF79A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 May 2007 at 13:55, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Would the demos improve enough to make the audience something a > Greater Media sales force could sell to advertisers? No way! > Remember, anyone GM would hire to sell WJIB believes the too old > crap as much as the agencies do. Well, if I were running a station and wanted to appeal to that demographic, I'd tell my sales force that it was up to them to get ads for that demographic, their jobs depended on being successful at it, and that bonuses would be paid to those who did it well. Good advertising people, given the mission, should be able to figure out how to do it. Those who start by deciding it's impossible should be encouraged to work somewhere else. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 4 00:50:46 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:50:46 -0500 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <650968.96974.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <14d201c78dab$f7d56570$6401a8c0@pastor2>, <650968.96974.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463A7556.19238.1AC025@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 May 2007 at 11:45, Peter Q. George wrote: > YES. I have seen these sets. And old girlfriend of > mine had a backup 1964 Muntz Color set at her parents' > house (circa 1975-76). The picture was pretty good, > provided you had an outside aerial. With an inside > rabbit ear antenna, outside 20 miles of Needham, it > was like multi-colored confetti. UHF, forget it. > NUMB! Have you seen off-air color-TV reception in Brookline? Multi-colored ghosts as well as confetti! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Thu May 3 23:54:26 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:54:26 -0400 Subject: Heathkit: (was)Re: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! In-Reply-To: <20070504003753.4C90B10254@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070504003753.4C90B10254@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: At 8:37 PM -0400 5/3/07, Ric Werme wrote: >Heathkit. Generally very good stuff, and building a Color TV was kinda the >pinnacle of the kits. A.K.A. Griefkit. Generally clear instructions, but there always seemed to be one step in the mechanical assembly that was a trap. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu May 3 23:57:49 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:57:49 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GEMOTO:1518] HD Radio (cheap!) In-Reply-To: <003c01c78dea$9e51e7a0$daf5b6e0$@net> References: <002601c78d19$aacfea80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <46395939.80106@ttlc.net> <004f01c78d35$891b4f80$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <001e01c78d76$3b3784a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <647737520705030909o4585bd0em2597d9604152a3a0@mail.gmail.com> <003c01c78dea$9e51e7a0$daf5b6e0$@net> Message-ID: >There is very little HD Radio being transmitted in NH: > >The HDRadio.com website lists all the stations by city and state. > >Concord, NH 89.1 WEVO-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio >Concord, NH 88.3 WEVS-HD1 FM Nws/Tlk/Inf New Hampshire Public Radio >Keene, NH 1220 WZBK-HD AM Music of Your Life Saga >Manchester, NH 95.7 WZID-HD1 FM AC Saga I spoke to someone from WZID at the Made in NH Expo, and he said his guess is that WFEA may eventually appear as WZID-HD2. I don't know if this was based on any actual knowledge. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri May 4 03:04:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 02:04:11 -0500 Subject: Herald: Another cancer surgery for Paul Sullivan Message-ID: <20070504070411.6194C49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Mentioned on WBZ tonight...thoughts and prayers go out to Sully. http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=198482 "For the fourth time in less than three years, WBZ-AM talk radio host Paul Sullivan is set to undergo brain surgery today in his brave battle against cancer. Doctors at Massachusetts General Hospital plan to remove a hemorrhaging, cancerous tumor from his brain during a nearly five-hour procedure. Sullivan, 49, said doctors ?are revisiting one of the same areas they have had trouble stabilizing. This is just a bump in the road,? Sullivan said yesterday. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri May 4 07:31:11 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 07:31:11 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame Message-ID: as noted on AllAccess dot com NetNews - The inaugural class for the MASSACHUSETTS BROADCASTERS HALL OF FAME is being honored in events on SATURDAY (5/5) in BROCKTON, MA and on MAY 16 at RANDOLPH, MA. The HALL has been formed by a group of present and former broadcasters in conjunction with MASSASOIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. The Hall of Famers to be honored at the BROCKTON event include longtime WHDH-A/BOSTON morning man JESS CAIN, comedy legends BOB AND RAY (who started at WHDH), and children's TV host REX TRAILER. The MAY 16 honorees include longtime BOSTON media personality (and syndicated TV "BOZO THE CLOWN") FRANK AVRUCH, BOSTON radio (WEEI-A, WRKO-A, WHDH- A) and TV (WNAC-TV) talker PAUL BENZAQUIN, former WBZ-TV-AM personality (and now "DANCING WITH THE STARS"/"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS" host) TOM BERGERON, former WHDH-A host FRED B. COLE, WBZ-AM & TV weatherman DON KENT, WBZ-TV entertainment reporter JOYCE KULHAWIK, station owner HAROLD SEGAL, WBZ-TV anchor-host LIZ WALKER, and BOSTON BRUINS voice BOB WILSON. kudos to all for some well-deserved recognition! - -chuck igo From rogerkola@aol.com Fri May 4 06:37:36 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:37:36 -0300 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com>, <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <463A7252.17952.EF79A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000f01c78e38$3d32ca40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Good Morning Joe etal... This is not a defensive rant, just early morning musings... As Dan mentioned, the agencies that cover their behinds by buying only ratings are the biggest problem for "good salespeople" and with Arbitron's 18-54 slant, "Adult Standards" (although that description must have slid some as I listen to WJIB)are not reflected well within these demos. Additionally, if your station is operating with a .5 rating, and "profitable" (barely) are you as Owner going to "buy" the ratings so your "good salesmen" can utilize them in their sales package? Without a book how do you set/justify your rates? If you resort to "dollar a holler" rates, how many accounts will that salesperson have to balance to earn a decent commission? I guess finally, how much can you compensate a "mature salesperson" or several and still remain profitable? Can you keep up with the Big Boys (or Girls)to keep these outstanding salespeople? Musing mode off, all these questions are of course rhetorical and have been tossed around forever. It takes a special market to solve these issues and I personally don't think Boston is it. BTW...I happened to find this page of actual ratings for a number of demos in my web travels: www.triplefm.com/arbitron_F03.HTM I wonder if this market was embargoed after these were posted? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > On 3 May 2007 at 13:55, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > Would the demos improve enough to make the audience something a > > Greater Media sales force could sell to advertisers? No way! > > Remember, anyone GM would hire to sell WJIB believes the too old > > crap as much as the agencies do. > > Well, if I were running a station and wanted to appeal to that > demographic, I'd tell my sales force that it was up to them to get > ads for that demographic, their jobs depended on being successful at > it, and that bonuses would be paid to those who did it well. Good > advertising people, given the mission, should be able to figure out > how to do it. Those who start by deciding it's impossible should be > encouraged to work somewhere else. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri May 4 06:38:33 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:38:33 -0300 Subject: For those who don't know.... Message-ID: <001401c78e38$5d2ea800$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Arbitron Suspends eDiary Mike Boyle, Radio and Records APRIL 30, 2007 - Arbitron told clients Friday it is suspending its recently-launched eDiary beginning with the Spring ratings period. The eDiary was introduced during the Winter `07 survey to participants in diary-based markets, giving them the option to use an Internet-based, electronic diary in place of the standard paper-and-pencil diary. Arbitron begins releasing the Winter ratings Monday. "Our analysis of the Winter data confirmed our prior research which showed no significant differences between paper and eDiary recorded listening. However unlike the results from earlier studies, eDiary appeared to have a negative impact on return rate, that is, the percentage of diaries sent out that are completed, returned, and become in-tab. We identified this issue during the survey and placed additional sample in the last month to meet our quarterly sample target commitments," the company said in a client letter. Arbitron had high hopes for the eDiary and expected positive results. Regrettably, Arbitron said it won't be using the eDiary again until satisfied that it "will have no negative effect on diary return and response rates From rogerkola@aol.com Fri May 4 06:43:59 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:43:59 -0300 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame References: Message-ID: <003d01c78e39$1fad9c60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Was it Rex Trailer that used to promote cruises he would be on? Did anyone actually go on a cruise to be with him? "Inquiring Minds Want to Know" ;-) Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame > as noted on AllAccess dot com NetNews - > > The inaugural class for the MASSACHUSETTS BROADCASTERS HALL OF FAME is > being honored in events on SATURDAY (5/5) in BROCKTON, MA and on MAY > 16 at RANDOLPH, MA. The HALL has been formed by a group of present and > former broadcasters in conjunction with MASSASOIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. > > The Hall of Famers to be honored at the BROCKTON event include > longtime WHDH-A/BOSTON morning man JESS CAIN, comedy legends BOB AND > RAY (who started at WHDH), and children's TV host REX TRAILER. The MAY > 16 honorees include longtime BOSTON media personality (and syndicated > TV "BOZO THE CLOWN") FRANK AVRUCH, BOSTON radio (WEEI-A, WRKO-A, WHDH- > A) and TV (WNAC-TV) talker PAUL BENZAQUIN, former WBZ-TV-AM > personality (and now "DANCING WITH THE STARS"/"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME > VIDEOS" host) TOM BERGERON, former WHDH-A host FRED B. COLE, WBZ-AM & > TV weatherman DON KENT, WBZ-TV entertainment reporter JOYCE KULHAWIK, > station owner HAROLD SEGAL, WBZ-TV anchor-host LIZ WALKER, and BOSTON > BRUINS voice BOB WILSON. > > kudos to all for some well-deserved recognition! > > - -chuck igo > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri May 4 07:52:51 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 07:52:51 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <003d01c78e39$1fad9c60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <003d01c78e39$1fad9c60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: roger asked - > Was it Rex Trailer that used to promote cruises he would be on? > Did anyone > actually go on a cruise to be with him? > > "Inquiring Minds Want to Know" ;-) > roger - i don't know if Rex did a cruise thing, but he was in pretty tight with the gang from Crimson Travel. they did the trips to Disney (land and then World) with Pablo & Sgt.Billy. always wanted to tag along, but it was ever so slightly out of financial reach, what with me being an under-employed shoe shine kid, i could never quite make enough cash to make it happen. Dave Maynard (is he already in the Mass.Broadcast Hall?) on the other hand, did lots of cruises, iirc. - -Chuck Igo From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri May 4 09:37:13 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:37:13 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B3709.5030407@cssinc.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: >>> From: Aaron Read >>> >> For example, let's say (in a parallel universe) Peter Smyth >> looks at WJIB and looks at WBOS and decides ... he wants to >> hire Bob to run WBOS *exactly* like WJIB. Not just the >> programming, but also the managerial freedom. >> >> Assuming, for a moment, that Bob would take the job...could >> you pick up WJIB's programming (lack of commercials and all) >> drop it on WBOS, and still have it work? >> >> > > More importantly, why, in your hypothetical world, would GM want to run essentially a non-profit station that could potentially have a parasitical effect (ie. drawing listeners) from one of its other stations. This was essentially the unstated argument over why they blew up WSJZ (smooth jazz if you've forgotten). The theory was that it was targeting the same demo as Magic and, particularly in the evening, taking their listeners. Brian Vita From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri May 4 09:40:22 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:40:22 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B37C6.9030503@cssinc.com> chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > as noted on AllAccess dot com NetNews - > > The inaugural class for the MASSACHUSETTS BROADCASTERS HALL OF FAME is > being honored in events on SATURDAY (5/5) in BROCKTON, MA and on MAY > 16 at RANDOLPH, MA. The HALL has been formed by a group of present and > former broadcasters in conjunction with MASSASOIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. > > The Hall of Famers to be honored at the BROCKTON event include > longtime WHDH-A/BOSTON morning man JESS CAIN, comedy legends BOB AND > RAY (who started at WHDH), and children's TV host REX TRAILER. The MAY > 16 honorees include longtime BOSTON media personality (and syndicated > TV "BOZO THE CLOWN") FRANK AVRUCH, BOSTON radio (WEEI-A, WRKO-A, WHDH- > A) and TV (WNAC-TV) talker PAUL BENZAQUIN, former WBZ-TV-AM > personality (and now "DANCING WITH THE STARS"/"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME > VIDEOS" host) TOM BERGERON, former WHDH-A host FRED B. COLE, WBZ-AM & > TV weatherman DON KENT, WBZ-TV entertainment reporter JOYCE KULHAWIK, > station owner HAROLD SEGAL, WBZ-TV anchor-host LIZ WALKER, and BOSTON > BRUINS voice BOB WILSON. > > kudos to all for some well-deserved recognition! > > - -chuck igo > What? No recognition for us long-time DJ's at WMWM? Its a fix! Brian Vita From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Fri May 4 12:28:50 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:28:50 -0400 Subject: Call 442-7000.......... and you'll see Muntz TV! Message-ID: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> I just called 442-7000. They tried to sell me a Muntz MP3 player -Sonny Daye P. S. Has anyone tried the new Heathkit DVD player? . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 4 12:37:54 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:37:54 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" series, and it all came back to me...) From rogerkola@aol.com Fri May 4 11:46:46 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:46:46 -0300 Subject: Not quite a Jingle but... References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000e01c78e63$6c2f63a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Here is someone's world (well almost)search for Jenny at 867-5309... http://www.danstheman.com/Jenny.htm Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for > Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, > where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any > of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to > Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" > series, and it all came back to me...) > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri May 4 13:05:06 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:05:06 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00e401c78e6e$5df284b0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Oh Adventure Car Hop is the place to go, for food that's always right, Adventure food is always just so, you'll relish every bite, It's out on Route One in Saugus, come dressed just as you are, Adventure, where the service is tops, and you never gets out of your car! taken from http://www.bambinomusical.com/David/WMEX.html -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" series, and it all came back to me...) From wollman@bostonradio.org Fri May 4 13:12:53 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:12:53 -0400 Subject: For those who don't know.... In-Reply-To: <001401c78e38$5d2ea800$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <001401c78e38$5d2ea800$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <17979.27029.277497.816741@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Arbitron Suspends eDiary > Mike Boyle, Radio and Records Just a reminder that this is not a "rip and read" mailing-list. Contributors are expected to post their own words. -GAWollman From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri May 4 12:05:13 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B59B9.1070509@friedbagels.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > You're asking if the WJIB programming could work on WBOS > WITHOUT commercials? How would Greater Media make money > from the station without commercials? Major commercial > broadcasting companies like Greater Media are all about > making money! I doubt they would ever want to conduct an > on-air fund drive like Bob did, and they're not about > providing a community service and just raising the funds > to cover expenses without making a significant profit. > I probably shouldn't have said "WBOS" - too easy to focus on it. I was thinking in a more general sense...any owner of a medium to large FM signal. Obviously that doesn't really help much...WFNX and WXRV are NOT going to change to WJIB's format, nor will any of the NCE FM signals, and the rest of the FM's in the area are either more successful than WJIB is or could be, or are in the same boat as WBOS; there's more profitable ways to run a station besides WJIB. However, don't dismiss WJIB's fundraising method out of hand. Remember that WCRB 102.5 ran several highly-successful fundraisers over the years. And did quite well in the ratings, too. OTOH, I suppose that proves my point: didn't WCRB 102.5 have a bitch of a time getting decent ad dollars despite respectable ratings every quarter? Something about having a hard time "selling" a classical format, wasn't it? After a fashion, it would almost make sense for a station like WMBR or WZBC to put in an HD Radio rig and rebroadcast WJIB on an HD2 or HD3 signal. They wouldn't care so much about making money as just doing a "community service", which few could argue that WJIB doesn't provide! And it's getting the ratings to prove it! Anyways, take advantage of the listener base to increase fundraising potential; have some kind of revenue sharing deal with Bob or something like that. Probably wouldn't work just yet because the HD Radios themselves are a little pricey for WJIB's prime demo. But hell, Radiosophy has a $99 radio coming out and there's a $40 rebate program going on. They're getting cheaper every month... -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From sid@wrko.com Fri May 4 13:27:06 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:27:06 -0600 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go Message-ID: >> what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, where Adventure Car Hop used to be?<< Caruso's Diplomat...a hall for hire. >> I went there once as a kid-- any of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"?<< Yep...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri May 4 14:28:41 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:28:41 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question Message-ID: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> While we're on the subject of Muntz TVs and their reportedly awful color sets, here's a good question to pursue: What was the first time you ever saw a color telecast? In my case, I was about fifteen, I think, and it was a telecast of the weekday afternoon Merv Griffin Show that used to be on Channel 4 in the mid-'60s. The set was a brand-new RCA Victor color console that was in one of the waiting rooms of Henry Heywood Hospital in Gardner. Someone had donated it to the hospital. The thing had quite a number of knobs and buttons on it, including at least three or four by which one could adjust the color, but obviously no one on the hospital staff knew what to do with them. Poor Merv was as green as a Martian. -Doug From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 4 15:41:20 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:41:20 -0500 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B4610.8199.180D1A@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 May 2007 Sid Schweiger wrote: > Yep...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" > for my Ginsburger. Do you still have a phonograph that will play it? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From news@southstation.org Fri May 4 14:50:41 2007 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:50:41 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002e01c78e7d$31dde3b0$6f02a8c0@main> Oh, yeah- the beginning of my 45 collection was a Chicken-In-A-Basket with a 45; "Ramblin' Rose" by Nat King Cole. I saw Arnie there once too; I lived in Stoneham and this was the only drive in restaurant in the area. I have a picture of the Adventure Car Hop on my DJ bio at www.solidhitsradio.com/oldies/larry.htm -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" series, and it all came back to me...) From news@southstation.org Fri May 4 14:53:14 2007 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:53:14 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002f01c78e7d$9343aa90$6f02a8c0@main> Sorry, that was www.solidhitsradio.com/oldies/about.htm -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" series, and it all came back to me...) From lglavin@mail.com Fri May 4 13:39:29 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:39:29 -0500 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings Message-ID: <20070504173931.2082F16402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Aaron Read" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings >Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:05:13 -0400 >However, don't dismiss WJIB's fundraising method out of hand. >Remember that WCRB 102.5 ran several highly-successful fundraisers >over the years. And did quite well in the ratings, too. OTOH, I >suppose that proves my point: didn't WCRB 102.5 have a bitch of a >time getting decent ad dollars despite respectable ratings every >quarter? Something about having a hard time "selling" a classical >format, wasn't it? Just to clarify the issue: the fundraisers WCRB used to run before the dumbing-down process under Mario Mazza came on the scene were for the benefit of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and not for the station itself. KING-FM in Seattle and WFMT in Chicago are hybrid stations that are non-profit but run commercials too, and from time to time run fundraisers to benefit each outlet. = Auto Transport Welcome to BT Express Auto Transport, owned by NASCAR driver Billy Turner. We offer worldwide auto transport, with hundreds of car carriers available to your every need. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e43296c30cf0a0daa7970e22b731ab95 From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Fri May 4 15:08:40 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:08:40 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <00e401c78e6e$5df284b0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <3BB81EFB.00661CC9.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070504163821.696E867BDAF@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <00e401c78e6e$5df284b0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <463B84B8.9010804@tampabay.rr.com> Ah, Jim, a Friday stroll down memory lane!! How I long for the days when I was working at the WMEX transmitter site and Mac would call screaming about a millisecond drop in audio or carrier!! '68 to '70, almost every Saturday and Sunday. Oh, how I miss the smell of ozone from the RCA BC-50A!! WOWO Jon in Brandon Florida Jim wrote: > Oh Adventure Car Hop is the place to go, for food that's always right, > Adventure food is always just so, you'll relish every bite, > It's out on Route One in Saugus, come dressed just as you are, > Adventure, where the service is tops, and you never gets out of your car! > > taken from http://www.bambinomusical.com/David/WMEX.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > > And since we are all singing jingles, anyone remember the jingle for > Adventure Car Hop? Btw, what is out at route 1 in Saugus these days, > where Adventure Car Hop used to be? I went there once as a kid-- any > of you ever go get the "Ginsburger"? (I was just listening to > Arnie's re-creation of his show, which he did for the "Cruisin'" > series, and it all came back to me...) > > From sid@wrko.com Fri May 4 15:09:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 13:09:20 -0600 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go Message-ID: >>Do you still have a phonograph that will play it?<< Yes, I do. In fact, it's getting a workout lately, transferring lots of records to CD that I've been unable to find in that format. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri May 4 17:18:02 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:18:02 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS Message-ID: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> As reported on WBZ NewsRadio 1030 this morning, Don Imus is suing CBS claiming he was wrongfully fired. His defence: CBS had delay in place plus the ability to bleep/ censor him - yet didn't use it. Will that hold water? From lglavin@mail.com Fri May 4 17:09:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: WAMG-AM 890 Testing Nighttime CP Message-ID: <20070504210918.7378416402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Earlier this week, I noticed that WAMG-AM 890 was coming in better than usual here in the Massachusetts segment of the Merrimack River Valley, with a signal at about the same strength as WGAM-AM 900 in Nashwah (when AM 900 was WMVU, its station ID jingle went "WMVU, Nashwah"). Since this would have had an impact on WGAM, I posted to the Northern New England Board of radio-info.com, and WAMG's CE Chris Hall replied that the station is doing daytime tests of its CP for changes to the nighttime pattern. Since the pattern and power increase seem to be resulting in more signal due north, I wonder how much will be directed towards Boston, or even Dedham, its City (actually town) of License? = St George Utah - Zion National Park Info Visitor guide for Zion National Park, St. George, Hurricane and Springdale, Utah, including golf, conventions, lodging, hiking, camping and mountain biking. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3df4438f530aa8f281282291e262d15d From songbook2@comcast.net Fri May 4 18:33:31 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:33:31 -0700 Subject: Green martians Message-ID: <463BB4BB.7090909@comcast.net> << > > From: Aaron Read > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:05:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > > ... it would almost make sense for a station like WMBR or > WZBC to put in an HD Radio rig and rebroadcast WJIB on an > HD2 or HD3 signal. They wouldn't care so much about making > money as just doing a "community service", which few could > argue that WJIB doesn't provide!.. take advantage of the > listener base to increase fundraising potential; have some > kind of revenue sharing deal with Bob or something like that. Wouldn't be a bad idea for the future, except for that WMBR is not interested in pursuing ways to increase fundraising potential. They're comfortable with the amount they already make between their one annual fundraising week every autumn (annual average $75k) and an annual stipend from MIT ($15k). It's all they need to run the modest, completely volunteer operation that they are. Even paying MIT almost all of it in 2003 ($80k) to finally install air conditioning in the station didn't put them anywhere near financial trouble. I haven't been at WZBC in many years, but I hear that they feel the same way. Though I think they may have one paid managerial consultant, they don't appear to be concerned with pursuing increasing or maximizing their fundraising. EP From sid@wrko.com Fri May 4 19:05:38 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:05:38 -0600 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS Message-ID: >>His defence: CBS had delay in place plus the ability to bleep/ censor him - yet didn't use it.<< >From what I've read in the various news accounts of this lawsuit, there is considerably more to it than that. Allegedly his contract contained rather specific language on what sort of show he was to provide CBS...a satirical, pushing-the-envelope, edgy, biting type of show...IOW, exactly what he was doing. It also supposedly stated that he could not be fired without a formal warning, which his lawyer claims he didn't get. He's asking for $40 million. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Fri May 4 20:25:36 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 20:25:36 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <463BCF00.7010309@billoneill.us> Doug Drown wrote: > What was the first time you ever > saw a color telecast? We didn't go 'color' until 1974 or thereabouts. I was a teen by then but I am still reeling over the fact that lassie was not gray and white. And, in hindsight, monochrome would have served us all better as viewers of The Brady Bunch's kitchen. Bill ('Coppertone' beats an 'Avacado' kitchen everytime) O'Neill From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri May 4 22:21:13 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 22:21:13 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> Message-ID: That's not the only defense he has. According to some reports, his contract stated that CBS expected him to provide compelling, edgy, topical and controversial content. What he said is certainly covered by that clause. The deal also allegedly stipulated that if a major incident like this arose, he would be given one formal reprimand, but not lose his job. A second offense would result in termination. He never received that reprimand so CBS may have breached the deal right there. As far as the delay goes, what he said did not violate any FCC regulation which is why most stations use the delay. Still, it's an interesting argument. If any of this is close to accurate, I can't see how Imus doesn't win this case. I believe the two sides will settle and CBS will have to pony up most of the money owed to him. He'll lay low while this litigates and once he wins, he'll be back on the radio. A lot of people have said he'll go to Sirius with Mel Karmazin but I disagree. My guess is he'll be doing morning drive at either WABC or WOR and self syndicate his show to markets outside New York. Could Barnicle be a "placeholder" morning show on WTKK until Imus resurfaces? Time will tell. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 4, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > As reported on WBZ NewsRadio 1030 this morning, Don Imus is suing CBS > claiming he was wrongfully fired. His defence: CBS had delay in > place plus the ability to bleep/ censor him - yet didn't use it. > > Will that hold water? > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 01:51:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 00:51:05 -0500 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <463BD4F9.22316.B989DD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 May 2007 at 14:28, Doug Drown wrote: > While we're on the subject of Muntz TVs and their reportedly awful > color sets, here's a good question to pursue: What was the first time > you ever saw a color telecast? Sometime in 1955 or 1956 at the Museum of Science. They had a lounge with a color TV, with a transparent cabinet, so that the innards were visible. I wasn't very impressed. The colors weren't very good for the most part, and I think they hadn't quite figured out how to do studio lighting for color, either. But the view of the NBC Peacock was awesome. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 01:51:06 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <463BD4FA.10870.B98A69@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 May 2007 at 17:18, Roger Kirk wrote: > As reported on WBZ NewsRadio 1030 this morning, Don Imus is suing CBS > claiming he was wrongfully fired. His defence: CBS had delay in > place plus the ability to bleep/ censor him - yet didn't use it. > > Will that hold water? An awful lot depends on the terms of his contract. Apparently he claims that his contract called for him to be controversial. Well, we'll see what happens. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 01:51:06 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net>, Message-ID: <463BD4FA.1188.B98C3E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 May 2007 at 22:21, David Tomm wrote: > If any of this is close to accurate, I can't see how Imus doesn't win > this case. I believe the two sides will settle and CBS will have to > pony up most of the money owed to him. He'll lay low while this > litigates and once he wins, he'll be back on the radio. It depends on what the other eleventeen pages of his contract say. Of course, litigation could take years in any event. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sat May 5 11:30:58 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:30:58 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: <463BD4FA.1188.B98C3E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> <463BD4FA.1188.B98C3E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17980.41778.972163.675563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It depends on what the other eleventeen pages of his contract say. > Of course, litigation could take years in any event. Query: in litigation of this type, is it likely that the actual text of the contract will be made part of the public record? -GAWollman From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sat May 5 12:50:51 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:50:51 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question Message-ID: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> Doug Drown wrote: > What was the first time you ever > saw a color telecast? --------------------------------- The first time I ever HEARD a color broadcast was: 1957/58, "WMEX 1510, Color Radio". Remember that? Mac Richmond was always on top of the latest fad in popularity and took advantage of it and promoted it to the hilt. Why NOT color RADIO?!! -Sonny Daye . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat May 5 13:04:25 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: First color, eh?????? Hmmmmmm..... In-Reply-To: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <189110.34333.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My first introduction to color was in March, 1967 watching Channel 7 on a Magnavox console color set at a friends' house. Every afternoon at 4:00, WNAC-TV (Channel 7) used to run "Captain America" cartoons (the Marvel Comics with the "Hulk", "Captain America" and "Iron Man") with live local inserts with a guy dressed up as "Captain America" (complete with the vivid red, white and blue costume). The show was so popular, an 90 minute version was briefly aired on Saturday mornings at 10:30 AM. (WNAC was pre-empting the ABC cartoon lineup). But, it was eventually cancelled by May, 1967. It was one of Channel 7's FIRST full local color shows. (WNAC was always LAST in technical innovations, like local color.) Does anyone recall "Captain America" on Channel 7? If so, who was the local talent who played the Captain? Just curious...... And remember...... (Dahdahdahdahhhhh......)"Call 442-seven-thousand, and you'll see Muntz TV!!!! Call 442-seven-thousand, see Muntz TV todayyyyyyy!!!" Somehow the Muntz TV ads away were back-to-back with Tom Black Insurance spots on WMEX. Ah, yes..... "THE INSURANCE AGENCY THAT TAKES ALL RISKS......TOM BLACK!!!! (DAH, DAH, DAH.....DUHHHHHHH!) -Pete --- Doug Drown wrote: > While we're on the subject of Muntz TVs and their > reportedly awful color > sets, here's a good question to pursue: What was > the first time you ever > saw a color telecast? > > In my case, I was about fifteen, I think, and it was > a telecast of the > weekday afternoon Merv Griffin Show that used to be > on Channel 4 in the > mid-'60s. The set was a brand-new RCA Victor color > console that was in one > of the waiting rooms of Henry Heywood Hospital in > Gardner. Someone had > donated it to the hospital. The thing had quite a > number of knobs and > buttons on it, including at least three or four by > which one could adjust > the color, but obviously no one on the hospital > staff knew what to do with > them. Poor Merv was as green as a Martian. > > -Doug > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From me@billoneill.us Sat May 5 12:24:12 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:24:12 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <463CAFAC.8070105@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > I believe the two sides will settle and CBS will have to pony up most > of the money owed to him. I think he's going for triple damages. That will enable a cushion in settlement so that Imus gets his full boat and his attorney gets to eat another day, as well. CBS blew this one big-time. Where Imus' star may have been drifting to nova, this event has clearly energized the franchise. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat May 5 15:03:12 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:03:12 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Mac Richmond didn't invent the phrase "color radio" by a longshot. I went to college in New York's Capital District from September 1952 to May 1956. Around 1954, WTRY Troy was sold to a group from Providence RI that already owned WEAN there. WTRY promptly dropped the enormously popular and profitable CBS Radio affiliation for Albany-Schenectady-Troy and became an independent station. Even before then, they staged a BIG promotion "WTRY is now broadcasting in Color Radio." I think the only new equipment the station bought were some new cartridges for the turntables. (I guess they also had to buy kits to add the 45-RPM speed to the 33-1/3-78 RPM tables because the Color Eadio promotion more-or-less coincided with the record industry shift to 45 RPM.) As at WMEX some four years later, the Color Radio promotion was PURE unadulterated hype, but it was just as successful in the Capital District as it was here. Everybody was talking about it and the phones at the station rang off the hook with listeners calling to tell them how much they appreciated the station's great "new" sound. I also doubt whether WTRY was the first station to promote Color Radio. Randy English, the PD at WTRY, and Mac Richmond both read the trade publications assiduously and they knew a winning promotion when they heard about it. I wonder how many US and Canadian stations promoted Color Radio. I'd guess hundreds--maybe thousands. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: A fun trivia question > Doug Drown wrote: > > What was the first time you ever > > saw a color telecast? > --------------------------------- > The first time I ever HEARD a color broadcast was: > 1957/58, "WMEX 1510, Color Radio". > Remember that? > Mac Richmond was always on top of the latest fad in popularity and took > advantage of it and promoted it to the hilt. Why NOT color RADIO?!! > -Sonny Daye > > . > > ___________________________________________________________ > Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. > Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat May 5 14:03:36 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:03:36 -0400 Subject: Clear Channel sells Maine stations Message-ID: <157CA747434148A1A34F2CADDEFE5D1A@DanBillingsPC> WRKD, WMCM and WQSS to move offices back to Rockland All Clear Channel radio stations in Maine, including Rockland's WRKD and WMCM, Camden's WQSS and Boothbay Harbor's WCME, are being sold to a Florida-based communications company. Dean Goodman of GoodRadio.TV LLC confirmed Thursday that, pending FCC approval, his company will acquire the radio stations Clear Channel Communications Inc. owns statewide. http://www.mainecoastnow.com/articles/2007/05/05/courier_-_gazette/local_news/doc463cb629ad45d514993554.txt Does anyone know anything about the buyer? From gjspatola@wavecable.com Sat May 5 18:56:50 2007 From: gjspatola@wavecable.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:56:50 -0700 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DEF308EBA424491849104229CE1A63D@HomePC> Harold Segal was owner of WNEB in Worcester when I worked there 1979-81, but I know very little about him. Can anyone tell me what other stations he owned, and possibly share more background about him? Glenn Spatola > Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:43:59 -0300 > From: "Roger Kolakowski" > Subject: Re: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame > To: , > > Message-ID: <003d01c78e39$1fad9c60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Was it Rex Trailer that used to promote cruises he would be on? Did anyone > actually go on a cruise to be with him? > > "Inquiring Minds Want to Know" ;-) > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:31 AM > Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame > > >> as noted on AllAccess dot com NetNews - >> >> The inaugural class for the MASSACHUSETTS BROADCASTERS HALL OF FAME is >> being honored in events on SATURDAY (5/5) in BROCKTON, MA and on MAY >> 16 at RANDOLPH, MA. The HALL has been formed by a group of present and >> former broadcasters in conjunction with MASSASOIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. >> >> The Hall of Famers to be honored at the BROCKTON event include >> longtime WHDH-A/BOSTON morning man JESS CAIN, comedy legends BOB AND >> RAY (who started at WHDH), and children's TV host REX TRAILER. The MAY >> 16 honorees include longtime BOSTON media personality (and syndicated >> TV "BOZO THE CLOWN") FRANK AVRUCH, BOSTON radio (WEEI-A, WRKO-A, WHDH- >> A) and TV (WNAC-TV) talker PAUL BENZAQUIN, former WBZ-TV-AM >> personality (and now "DANCING WITH THE STARS"/"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME >> VIDEOS" host) TOM BERGERON, former WHDH-A host FRED B. COLE, WBZ-AM & >> TV weatherman DON KENT, WBZ-TV entertainment reporter JOYCE KULHAWIK, >> station owner HAROLD SEGAL, WBZ-TV anchor-host LIZ WALKER, and BOSTON >> BRUINS voice BOB WILSON. >> >> kudos to all for some well-deserved recognition! >> >> - -chuck igo From hykker@wildblue.net Sat May 5 19:06:50 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 19:06:50 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070505230702.2489436D149@mail.wildblue.net> Dan Strassberg wrote: >i Even before then, they staged a BIG promotion "WTRY is >now broadcasting in Color Radio." I think the only new equipment the station >bought were some new cartridges for the turntables. (I guess they also had >to buy kits to add the 45-RPM speed to the 33-1/3-78 RPM tables because the >Color Eadio promotion more-or-less coincided with the record industry shift >to 45 RPM.) I once worked P/t at a station that had these big 16" Gates turntables that were designed to be 33 & 78. In order to play 45s you had to line up one of 2 holes in the platter with the motor shaft, and drop a small bushing onto it. It took 10-15 seconds to do...woe was you if you dropped the bushing into the turntable base. There was no smooth way to get out of it if you happened to start a record at the wrong speed. >I wonder how many US and >Canadian stations promoted Color Radio. I'd guess hundreds--maybe thousands. Thousands might be a stretch...other than WMEX I don't think I ever heard the phrase anywhere else, though by the time I got into radio it was the early 60s & the fad may have ended.by then. Just goes to show that copycat stations are nothing new. From paulconnors@earthlink.net Sat May 5 20:25:03 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:25:03 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] Message-ID: <380-220075060253829@earthlink.net> WNEB was my first commercial radio job. I was there as "Paul Stevens" from December 1976 until February 1979. Harold Segal bought the station around 1978, as I recall. He used to own another station as well. I think it was WKBK in Keene, NH. Harold served as General Manager and was also very involved with sales promotions and programming. He would often go on the air on Skip Qulillia's nightly talk show and take calls from listeners, especially when he was planning programming changes, to find out what folks thought of his ideas. > [Original Message] > From: Glenn and Judy Spatola > To: > Date: 5/5/2007 6:57:42 PM > Subject: Re: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] > > Harold Segal was owner of WNEB in Worcester when I worked there 1979-81, but > I know very little about him. Can anyone tell me what other stations he > owned, and possibly share more background about him? > > > Glenn Spatola From lglavin@mail.com Sat May 5 14:31:57 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:31:57 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While Message-ID: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Just to remind readers who may not be aware of the WLLH-AM "synchronous" operation: the aforementioned station operates on 1400 khz with antennas in both Lowell and Lawrence, the former the actual licensed operation, the latter a 60-or-so-year-experiment. Recently both outlets were off the air briefly, then WLLH-AM Lowell only resumed transmitting. At this moment WLLH's Lawrence transmitter is still silent and apparently will be for a couple of weeks...partly due to a transmitter strike and ageing equipment. A complete summary by CE Chris Hall can be found at radio-info.com's Northern New England board under the heading "WAMG Doing Tranmitter Work? Its Effect on WGAM". = Gaint Inflatable Advertising Custom inflatables, promotion tours, product replicas and branded games. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=bff472ef0b2aa0b66c722dbf77bbc306 From wollman@bostonradio.org Sat May 5 21:24:37 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:24:37 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... Message-ID: <17981.11861.497466.424102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> This afternoon I went down to You Blew It! and picked up a Sangean HDT-1 to add to my home listening post. Some observations, using only the supplied antennas: 1) The HDT-1 does do RD(B)S, although this feature is not advertised. >From a distance, it's hard to tell the difference between HD PAD and RDS, except that there's no HD equivalent (yet) of "scrolling PS". 2) It thinks WSRS is KAAJ. The only other Worcester station to come in with decent signal quality is WAAF. 3) I was able to get most, but not all, of the VHF-HD signals I know about. MW reception, both analogue and digital, with the provided 3-inch plastic loop was very poor, and the receiver was not able to get a lock on WBZ's digital signal (although it could identify that it was there). 4) The tuner wasn't able to lock on WZLX's digital signal, but kept trying, with the display flashing back and forth between the analogue and HD modes. It also had trouble with WMJX, but the rest of the Pru signals were fine. No WERS, either, although it was (mostly) able to decode the RDS on 88.9 so I would think I should be getting enough signal. 5) WGBH's delay is set wrong. On the other hand, I've never been able to get WGBH in stereo before, so maybe IBOC is good for something. 6) WKLB-FM's HD2 program type is still set to "Classical", which is not quite the same thing as "Classic country". 7) WXRV is running RDS now. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat May 5 21:45:55 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:45:55 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003a01c78f80$4d0f9080$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I believe 1400's Lowell-Lawrence synchronous operation is WAY older than 60 years and AFAIK both have been fully licensed for nearly all of that time. Although one of the signals likely predates the other (my guess is that the Lowell signal is the older one and a proposed Haverhill transmitter was never built but was probably envisioned from the outset--hence the WLLH calls), my understanding is that both signals have been on the air for something closer to 75 years. As you know, until 15 or 20 years ago (based on the CE's posting, I guess that should read 22 years ago), BOTH transmitters were rooftop installations. At that time, the current Lowell transmitter, with a conventional tower, signed on to replace the original rooftop transmitter in Lowell. The Lawrence rooftop setup is at its original location with its original tower. Does anyone have any different information? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While > Just to remind readers who may not be aware of the WLLH-AM "synchronous" > operation: the aforementioned station operates on 1400 khz with antennas > in both Lowell and Lawrence, the former the actual licensed operation, the > latter a 60-or-so-year-experiment. Recently both outlets were off the air > briefly, then WLLH-AM Lowell only resumed transmitting. At this moment > WLLH's Lawrence transmitter is still silent and apparently will be for > a couple of weeks...partly due to a transmitter strike and ageing equipment. > A complete summary by CE Chris Hall can be found at radio-info.com's > Northern New England board under the heading "WAMG Doing Tranmitter Work? > Its Effect on WGAM". > > = > Gaint Inflatable Advertising > Custom inflatables, promotion tours, product replicas and branded games. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=bff472ef0b2aa0b66c722dbf 77bbc306 > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat May 5 21:55:15 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:55:15 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While In-Reply-To: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The WLLH operation brings a question to mind: If the 1490 in Waterville, Maine and the 1490 in Portland, Maine were to simulcast, would it improve the coverage area of the two signals? From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 23:26:32 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:26:32 -0500 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <463D0498.20919.6B141C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 May 2007 at 15:03, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Mac Richmond didn't invent the phrase "color radio" by a longshot. I > went to college in New York's Capital District from September 1952 to > May 1956. Around 1954, WTRY Troy was sold to a group from Providence > RI that already owned WEAN there. WTRY promptly dropped the enormously > popular and profitable CBS Radio affiliation for > Albany-Schenectady-Troy and became an independent station. Ah, THAT was what happened! I lived in ALbany at the time, and I remember the great network shift of that year. CBS went from WTRY to WROW, ABC went from WROW to WPTR, and Mutual went from WPTR to WOKO, which didn't previously have a network affiliation. The only network that stayed put was NBC on WGY. > Even before > then, they staged a BIG promotion "WTRY is now broadcasting in Color > Radio." I think the only new equipment the station bought were some > new cartridges for the turntables. (I guess they also had to buy kits > to add the 45-RPM speed to the 33-1/3-78 RPM tables because the Color > Eadio promotion more-or-less coincided with the record industry shift > to 45 RPM.) I don't remember the Color Radio promotion on WTRY. I think I wasn't listening to the station much at that time after they gave up the CBS affiliation. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat May 5 22:44:23 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 22:44:23 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Because of the great improvements over the last 75 or more years in the frequency accuracy and stability of crystal oscillators, most synchronous AM operations (and there are probably several dozen in the US in addition to WLLH) no longer use special equipment to lock the transmitter frequencies together. Instead, the only thing special in most cases is the selection of crystal pairs that are well matched in frequency and whose frequencies have been shown to behave similarly versus temperature, power-supply voltage, and time. So, to a first order, nothing very special would be required to synchronize the Waterville and Portland stations other than to make them a simulcast and to use a land-line and not a satellite link to supply the programming to the station (presumably Waterville) that would not originate the programming. The reaon for the use of the land line is the approciable time delay to get the signal up to a satellite in synchronous orbit and back, but even that could be corrected for by adding a digital time delay in the audio feed from the studio to the originating station's transmitter. If the stations do not significantly interefere with each other in "non-synchronous" mode, little would be gained in coverage by synchronizing them. If they do significantly interfere, the area of audible interference would be replaced by what used to be known as a "hash zone" but now would more properly be descibed as an area of standing-wave interference, in which the signal strength would slowly vary in a periodic manner. The receiver's AGC substantially mitigates this slow variation. Since 1490 is a "graveyard" frequency, with very high background QRM at night from dozens of co-channel stations, there would be no area of audible nighttime interference between the Portland and Waterville signals. The minimal benefit of synchronization would thus exist only during daylight hours. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While > The WLLH operation brings a question to mind: > > If the 1490 in Waterville, Maine and the 1490 in Portland, Maine were to > simulcast, would it improve the coverage area of the two signals? > From rickkelly@gmail.com Sat May 5 23:15:15 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 23:15:15 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> On 5/5/07, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Mac Richmond didn't invent the phrase "color radio" by a longshot. I went to > college in New York's Capital District from September 1952 to May 1956. > Around 1954, WTRY Troy was sold to a group from Providence RI that already > owned WEAN there. WTRY promptly dropped the enormously popular and > profitable CBS Radio affiliation for Albany-Schenectady-Troy and became an > independent station. Even before then, they staged a BIG promotion "WTRY is > now broadcasting in Color Radio." I think the only new equipment the station > bought were some new cartridges for the turntables. (I guess they also had > to buy kits to add the 45-RPM speed to the 33-1/3-78 RPM tables because the > Color Eadio promotion more-or-less coincided with the record industry shift > to 45 RPM.) As at WMEX some four years later, the Color Radio promotion was > PURE unadulterated hype, but it was just as successful in the Capital > District as it was here. Everybody was talking about it and the phones at > the station rang off the hook with listeners calling to tell them how much > they appreciated the station's great "new" sound. I also doubt whether WTRY > was the first station to promote Color Radio. Randy English, the PD at WTRY, > and Mac Richmond both read the trade publications assiduously and they knew > a winning promotion when they heard about it. I wonder how many US and > Canadian stations promoted Color Radio. I'd guess hundreds--maybe thousands. WTRY was sold in '55. I don't think WTRY dropped CBS. It was the other way around, with Lowell Thomas, part owner of WROW, pulling some strings to move CBS over there. In fact, the loss of CBS may have convinced WTRY's original owner, Harry Wilder, to sell while the station still had ratings (thinking it was all over for 'TRY). Of course, the new owners flipped it to Top 40 and the numbers took off even more. They sold it to Kops two years later for three times what they paid for it. I don't know who invented the Color Radio moniker. I thought it was Chuck Blore, but maybe he stole it from somewhere else. I don't beleive WTRY was using color radio until they bought that jingle package (in '58?) - but not sure. Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From wollman@bostonradio.org Sat May 5 23:32:09 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 23:32:09 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While In-Reply-To: <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Because of the great improvements over the last 75 or more years in the > frequency accuracy and stability of crystal oscillators, most synchronous AM > operations (and there are probably several dozen in the US in addition to > WLLH) no longer use special equipment to lock the transmitter frequencies > together. Instead, the only thing special in most cases is the selection of > crystal pairs that are well matched in frequency and whose frequencies have > been shown to behave similarly versus temperature, power-supply voltage, and > time. Many modern transmitters are designed to be phase-locked to UTC(GPS) (and ISTR that this is a requirement for IBOC); I would expect that even having a particularly good crystal is no longer required, so long as the GPS (or IS-95 cellular base station) signal is reliable. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 6 00:36:15 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 23:36:15 -0500 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463D14EF.11922.AAE63E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 May 2007 at 23:15, Rick Kelly wrote: > WTRY was sold in '55. I don't think WTRY dropped CBS. It was the other > way around, with Lowell Thomas, part owner of WROW, pulling some > strings to move CBS over there. This makes sense, too, because at the same time, WROW-TV, Channel 41, became a CBS affiliate, putting WTRY's sister station, WTRI, Channel 45, off the air for lack of an affiliate. > I don't know who invented the Color Radio moniker. I > thought it was Chuck Blore, but maybe he stole it from somewhere else. > I don't beleive WTRY was using color radio until they bought that > jingle package (in '58?) - but not sure. I don't think WTRY was using Color Radio in 1958. We moved back to the Boston area in 1957, but I discovered that I could hear WPTR at night, and I was listening at that time, and they were doing Color Radio at that time. One of their gimmicks was to somehow electronically convert colors into sounds. They'd play a sound and ask listeners to guess what color it was. So they actually did have color radio, I guess. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 6 00:58:13 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 23:58:13 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While In-Reply-To: <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>, <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 May 2007 at 23:32, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Many modern transmitters are designed to be phase-locked to UTC(GPS) > (and ISTR that this is a requirement for IBOC); I would expect that > even having a particularly good crystal is no longer required, so long > as the GPS (or IS-95 cellular base station) signal is reliable. This thread makes me curious to know whether WBZ-WBZA had any special synchronization in place when they were both in operation. I remember when we lived in Albany and used to drive in to Boston a couple of times a year, we would hear WBZ-WBZA on the car radio, and we couldn't really tell where one station left off and the other began. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 23:26:32 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:26:32 -0500 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <463D0498.22571.6B12B4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 May 2007 at 12:50, SonnyDaye1@aol.com wrote: > The first time I ever HEARD a color broadcast was: > 1957/58, "WMEX 1510, Color Radio". > Remember that? > Mac Richmond was always on top of the latest fad in popularity and > took advantage of it and promoted it to the hilt. Why NOT color > RADIO?!! -Sonny Daye I don't think Mac Richmond invented Color Radio. WPTR in Albany was using the same slogan at about the same time, and I think there were probably others. It was probably a packaged promotion from some company. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From m1bz@hotmail.com Sun May 6 00:16:57 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:16:57 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] In-Reply-To: <3DEF308EBA424491849104229CE1A63D@HomePC> Message-ID: What a great night at Massasoit. I hope some of you got the chance to be there. I only stayed til the end of the Pinnochio skit, but to summarize: Jess Cain looks and sounds good. Rex Trailer, easily the crowd favorite. Still has all his marbles, sounds great. Jordan Rich, Rod Fritz, Laurie Kirby, Robin Young, Ken Meyer, I'm leaving names out but it's late. Great production, a great night. >From: "Glenn and Judy Spatola" >To: >Subject: Re: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] >Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:56:50 -0700 > >Harold Segal was owner of WNEB in Worcester when I worked there 1979-81, >but I know very little about him. Can anyone tell me what other stations >he owned, and possibly share more background about him? > > >Glenn Spatola > >>Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:43:59 -0300 >>From: "Roger Kolakowski" >>Subject: Re: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame >>To: , >> >>Message-ID: <003d01c78e39$1fad9c60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>Was it Rex Trailer that used to promote cruises he would be on? Did anyone >>actually go on a cruise to be with him? >> >>"Inquiring Minds Want to Know" ;-) >> >>Roger >>WA1KAT >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: >>To: >>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:31 AM >>Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame >> >> >>>as noted on AllAccess dot com NetNews - >>> >>>The inaugural class for the MASSACHUSETTS BROADCASTERS HALL OF FAME is >>>being honored in events on SATURDAY (5/5) in BROCKTON, MA and on MAY >>>16 at RANDOLPH, MA. The HALL has been formed by a group of present and >>>former broadcasters in conjunction with MASSASOIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. >>> >>>The Hall of Famers to be honored at the BROCKTON event include >>>longtime WHDH-A/BOSTON morning man JESS CAIN, comedy legends BOB AND >>>RAY (who started at WHDH), and children's TV host REX TRAILER. The MAY >>>16 honorees include longtime BOSTON media personality (and syndicated >>>TV "BOZO THE CLOWN") FRANK AVRUCH, BOSTON radio (WEEI-A, WRKO-A, WHDH- >>>A) and TV (WNAC-TV) talker PAUL BENZAQUIN, former WBZ-TV-AM >>>personality (and now "DANCING WITH THE STARS"/"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME >>>VIDEOS" host) TOM BERGERON, former WHDH-A host FRED B. COLE, WBZ-AM & >>>TV weatherman DON KENT, WBZ-TV entertainment reporter JOYCE KULHAWIK, >>>station owner HAROLD SEGAL, WBZ-TV anchor-host LIZ WALKER, and BOSTON >>>BRUINS voice BOB WILSON. >>> >>>kudos to all for some well-deserved recognition! >>> >>> - -chuck igo > _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 5 23:26:33 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:26:33 -0500 Subject: Don Imus Sues CBS In-Reply-To: <17980.41778.972163.675563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <463BA30A.6060001@ttlc.net>, <463BD4FA.1188.B98C3E@joe.attorneyross.com>, <17980.41778.972163.675563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <463D0499.20060.6B1564@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 May 2007 at 11:30, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Query: in litigation of this type, is it likely that the actual text > of the contract will be made part of the public record? I'd say so. Or at least the text of that part of the contract that has relevance to the litigation. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun May 6 00:56:24 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:56:24 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While In-Reply-To: <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <463D5FF8.5000202@cssinc.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Because of the great improvements over the last 75 or more years in the > frequency accuracy and stability of crystal oscillators, most synchronous AM > operations (and there are probably several dozen in the US in addition to > WLLH) no longer use special equipment to lock the transmitter frequencies > together. Instead, the only thing special in most cases is the selection of > crystal pairs that are well matched in frequency and whose frequencies have > been shown to behave similarly versus temperature, power-supply voltage, and > time. So, to a first order, nothing very special would be required to > synchronize the Waterville and Portland stations other than to make them a > simulcast and to use a land-line and not a satellite link to supply the > programming to the station (presumably Waterville) that would not originate > the programming. The reaon for the use of the land line is the approciable > time delay to get the signal up to a satellite in synchronous orbit and > back, but even that could be corrected for by adding a digital time delay > in the audio feed from the studio to the originating station's transmitter. > As a side note, from time to time in my work I have to deal with low power AM transmitters for drive-in use. I had an occasion to BS with one of the factory engineers and somehow the subject of AM rebroadcasting in tunnels came up. He pointed out that in Boston the system used one of the local AM stations (I think WRKO) as the system "clock" for synchronization. The newer systems use the GPS system as the time base. Just a side note. Brian Vita Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun May 6 00:47:29 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:47:29 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... In-Reply-To: <17981.11861.497466.424102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <17981.11861.497466.424102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <463D5DE1.9020502@cssinc.com> May we inquire as to what You Screw Em is charging for this little gem? Brian Garrett Wollman wrote: > This afternoon I went down to You Blew It! and picked up a Sangean > HDT-1 to add to my home listening post. Some observations, using only > the supplied antennas: > > 1) The HDT-1 does do RD(B)S, although this feature is not advertised. > >From a distance, it's hard to tell the difference between HD PAD and > RDS, except that there's no HD equivalent (yet) of "scrolling PS". > > 2) It thinks WSRS is KAAJ. The only other Worcester station to come > in with decent signal quality is WAAF. > > 3) I was able to get most, but not all, of the VHF-HD signals I know > about. MW reception, both analogue and digital, with the provided > 3-inch plastic loop was very poor, and the receiver was not able to > get a lock on WBZ's digital signal (although it could identify that it > was there). > > 4) The tuner wasn't able to lock on WZLX's digital signal, but kept > trying, with the display flashing back and forth between the analogue > and HD modes. It also had trouble with WMJX, but the rest of the Pru > signals were fine. No WERS, either, although it was (mostly) able to > decode the RDS on 88.9 so I would think I should be getting enough > signal. > > 5) WGBH's delay is set wrong. On the other hand, I've never been able > to get WGBH in stereo before, so maybe IBOC is good for something. > > 6) WKLB-FM's HD2 program type is still set to "Classical", which is > not quite the same thing as "Classic country". > > 7) WXRV is running RDS now. > > -GAWollman > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun May 6 07:37:39 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 07:37:39 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> <463D14EF.11922.AAE63E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001c01c78fd2$f952b640$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WTRI (TV) was on Channel 35--not 45. It was by far the better of the two facilities, with transmitter on a nearly 1000' tower atop 500' (or so) Bald Mountain, just north of Troy. WROW-TV, meanwhile, was transmitting from a 700' tower in N Greenbush. The location of the base of the tower is actually in the valley on the east side of the Hudson, where the land climbs steeply by at least 300' as you go eastward and then climbs more than another 1000' as you go further east into Mass. To the west, the land climbs more gradually at first but it still climbs pretty far. By the time you reach Schenectady, your height above sea level is about the same as that of the TOP of the N Greenbush tower. (For at least the last 30 years now, the N Greenbush tower has been home to my alma mater's noncommercial FM, WRPI 91.5.) All of this conspired to give Channel 41 very poor coverage. However, the station overcame these (literal) obstacles by acquiring additional signals--first WMGT N Adams on Channel 74 (later moved to Channel 19 and rechristened WCDC) and then by constructing Channel 29 in Hagaman. Channel 19 transmits from Mt Greylock, the highest point in Mass. The signal is huge and it covers most of the Capital District pretty well. Channel 41 continued to cover the valley areas that the Channel 19 signal couldn't reach very well because of the topography. Hagaman is in the Mohawk Valley west of Schenectady and the Channel 29 signal did a good job in Schenectady. But being a network of UHF stations left what were by then WCDA (41), WCDB (29), and WCDC (19) at a competitive disadvantage to GE's legacy VHF signal WRGB (6). Then the engineers discovered that there was a small triangle of land in Vail Mills, just south of Sacondaga Reservoir and about 38 miles west of downtown Albany that allowed a full-spaced VHF drop-in on Channel 10. The location was just 170 miles from co-channel stations in Providence, Rochester, and Montreal. A 1350' tower was constructed and Channel 10 replaced Channel 29. In the end, though, the Channel 10 signal from Vail Mills still needed help from Channels 19 and 41 to cover the whole market. Then, the FCC agreed to grant short spacing to Channel 10, which moved to the Heldeberg Mountains southwest of Albany, close to the Channel 6 site with a directional antenna protecting Providence. Because Channel 10's signal is severely limited to the east, Channel 19 still acts as a translator. I am not nearly as familiar with the Channel 35 situation. But I do know that Channel 35 did return to the air as an ABC affiliate and it was also granted a short-spaced VHF assignment on Channel 13 protecting WNET in New York (technically, Newark). I don't know whether the Albany 13 ever transmitted from the Saratoga area, where it would not have been short spaced, but I believe that it is now on what began life as the Channel 35 tower atop Bald Mountain. I've often wondered why Channels 10 and 13 in the Capital District never swapped transmitter sites. Although such a swap would have exacerbated the short spacing on both channels, it would have placed the market's population in the direction of the maximum signal strength, rather than the minimum signal strength. Of course, everybody now has cable, so it really makes no difference anymore. I'm sure that Scott and/or Garrett can fill us in on the transmitter locations and channel numbers of the Capital District's Channel 10 and 13 DTV equivalents. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Rick Kelly" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: Re: A fun trivia question > On 5 May 2007 at 23:15, Rick Kelly wrote: > > > WTRY was sold in '55. I don't think WTRY dropped CBS. It was the other > > way around, with Lowell Thomas, part owner of WROW, pulling some > > strings to move CBS over there. > > This makes sense, too, because at the same time, WROW-TV, Channel 41, > became a CBS affiliate, putting WTRY's sister station, WTRI, Channel > 45, off the air for lack of an affiliate. > > > I don't know who invented the Color Radio moniker. I > > thought it was Chuck Blore, but maybe he stole it from somewhere else. > > I don't beleive WTRY was using color radio until they bought that > > jingle package (in '58?) - but not sure. > > I don't think WTRY was using Color Radio in 1958. We moved back to > the Boston area in 1957, but I discovered that I could hear WPTR at > night, and I was listening at that time, and they were doing Color > Radio at that time. One of their gimmicks was to somehow > electronically convert colors into sounds. They'd play a sound and > ask listeners to guess what color it was. So they actually did have > color radio, I guess. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From radiotest@cox.net Sun May 6 07:46:54 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 07:46:54 -0400 Subject: WLLH-AM Lawrence Facility To Remain Silent For A While In-Reply-To: <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> At 12:58 AM 5/6/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >This thread makes me curious to know whether WBZ-WBZA had any special >synchronization in place when they were both in operation. They did. I would have to do some digging to uncover the details, but IIRC, a submultiple of one transmitter's oscillator was fed via phone loop to the other site, where it was multiplied back up. Also, IIRC, the program audio at the originating end was delayed before being fed to that transmitter so that the modulation at both ends would match in phase. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun May 6 07:59:16 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 07:59:16 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame [Harold Segal] References: Message-ID: <001d01c78fd6$0d446d30$0201a8c0@Family> Michael wrote: >>What a great night at Massasoit. I hope some of you got the chance to be there. I only stayed til the end of the Pinnochio skit, but to summarize: Jess Cain looks and sounds good. Rex Trailer, easily the crowd favorite. Still has all his marbles, sounds great. Jordan Rich, Rod Fritz, Laurie Kirby, Robin Young, Ken Meyer, I'm leaving names out but it's late. Great production, a great night. << was there any mention or notation of a website for the Hall of Fame? the only notes if found online concerning the events and/or organization actually point right back here to boston radio dot org. and thanks for the update. - -chuck igo From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun May 6 08:13:17 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:13:17 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... In-Reply-To: <463D5DE1.9020502@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <006701c78fd7$ee59ed80$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > May we inquire as to what You Screw Em is charging for this little gem? When I bought mine there back in December, it was $199, the standard price for them. I think it's a good deal. Mine receives analog AM Stereo (WJIB), but I've heard that newer versions of firmware do not. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun May 6 09:25:53 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:25:53 +0000 Subject: WBZ - WBZA synchronization In-Reply-To: <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <463DD761.80105@frontiernet.net> Dale's description is just about what I recall WBZ's Chief Engineer telling me in 1966. Bud Hippisley ***************************** Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 12:58 AM 5/6/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> This thread makes me curious to know whether WBZ-WBZA had any special >> synchronization in place when they were both in operation. > > > They did. I would have to do some digging to uncover the details, but > IIRC, a submultiple of one transmitter's oscillator was fed via phone > loop to the other site, where it was multiplied back up. Also, IIRC, > the program audio at the originating end was delayed before being fed > to that transmitter so that the modulation at both ends would match in > phase. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml > From ewerme@comcast.net Sun May 6 09:59:15 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: First color, eh?????? Hmmmmmm..... Message-ID: <20070506135915.CA3DC5A5D0@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I don't remember when I encountered my first color TV image, but a few anecdotes might be worthwhile: I was probably about 9 and my brother 5 when we toured NBC in New York. When the tour guide showed us a videotape recorder, my brother asked if you needed different tape for B&W vs. color. The tour guide noted that was a very good question, and said one tape for both. I think Doug had figured there was B&W photographic film and color film, so why not video tape? Of course, he didn't ask the "right" question, i.e. how can you fit three colors into the bandwidth required by one. It wasn't until I got into college that I mostly understood the answers to that, and one is "You can't." Another is "It's a very clever kludge." And the classic "Don't wear narrow vertical stripes on a TV stage." --- I remember the night The Walt Disney Show switched to color - we saw it in B&W. Sigh. Dad said we'd get a color TV when the current set died, but by then one of my chores was to keep it running. I wound up with a decent collection of aged vacuum tubes by the time I left for college. In 1968 my grandparents came out for my high school graduation and were appalled that we still had B&W, so they bought us a color set for my parents' anniversary that month. --- I bought my first color TV in 1974 soon after moving to Massachusetts so I could watch Jacob Brownowski's "The Ascent of Man" on WGBH in color. Small Sony set. The salesman at Lechmere said I picked the best TV in the store, but he probably said that to most customers' selections.... -Ric Werme From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun May 6 10:07:29 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 14:07:29 +0000 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <463DE121.4040206@frontiernet.net> I've been away from the broadcast game for many years now, but have a question that perhaps some of you can answer. I am responsible for all high-tech stuff for my small local church here in the West-Central Adirondacks. A big part of what we do involves feeding our Sunday morning church service to a commercial AM/FM operation for broadcast over both modes. The station is a locally owned independent, some 30 miles away from us as the crow flies, perhaps 100 miles by road, and (thanks to the terrain in between) definitely not line-of-sight for any existing towers. We are in the process of internally upgrading the quality of our church audio -- both for the weekly service and for various musical and dramatic productions that are staged in our sanctuary -- from better mic pickup for the choir, to archiving on CDs and DVDs instead of audio cassettes (ugh!), to doing multichannel recording with post-production, etc. However, one big problem that we face is how to get "decent" audio shipped to the broadcast station in real time. Right now we're using a standard POTS line to delivert our audio. The inherent dynamic range of our weekly church service, coupled with the frequency rolloff of the phone line and all the compression equipment at the far end of the line, makes our audio pretty terrible by the time it reaches the home -- which for most listeners is via the station's FM outlet. I have been trying to figure out what a low-cost solution to sending high fidelity stereo "sans" POTS hum and noise to the broadcast station might be. So far, all I can come up with is approaching the station management with the idea of the church sending left and right data streams to them via the internet. But I'm not sure whether our current DSL bandwidth is sufficient to do that reliably. Nor do I know how much of a selling job I might have to do at the station end of things. * Do any of you with current experience with or knowledge of remote feeds of this nature have any suggested solutions? * Can any of you comment on what a typical low-budget C&W format station might have in its equipment inventory that would be relevant to an inexpensive (for them and us) solution of this problem? * Is today's typical small-market station set up to patch streaming audio from the internet into the control board? * *If* the internet is used for this kind of remote feed, what is commonly accepted as the minimum acceptable bandwidth for the connection? This is a small-town church and a small-town broadcast station. "Low-cost" (for both) is the operative adjective. Any suggestions, off the wall or otherwise, would be greatly appreciated. Bud Hippisley From chris2526@comcast.net Sun May 6 00:12:09 2007 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 00:12:09 -0400 Subject: WLLH info for Dan Message-ID: <001b01c78f94$bdbc8950$6358da18@Chicken159> Dan, during my years of employment at Jam'n 94.5 and WLLH I became very friendy with the Lerner family who owned WLLH from the 50's through the 90's. Arnold Lerner gave me copies of an interesting collection of WLLH information from its inception on October 10, 1934. I will list the details that I think will answer your questions. Original owner Merrimac broadcasting 100 watts on 1370 from a rooftop self supporting tower on top of the Rex Center in downtown Lowell. The Rex Center was a roller skating rink and the WLLH main studios were located on the second floor, pictures show them to be quite elaborate. Original transmitter was a 100 watt Western Electric Do not know if self supporting tower was insulated or base grounded and shunt fed. On December 1, 1937 WLLH Lawrence signed on with 100 watts from the roof of the Clegg building which is the same site WLLH Lawrence still uses. It also had a Western Electric 100 watt transmitter and the stations used a crude system of frequency syncronization designed by Bell Labs. You are correct about plans for a third site at 100 watts in Haverhill hence LLH...Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill. It was never built because all local channels given a power increase to 250 watts fulltime and it seems the thinking was that the Haverhill coverage was sufficient. Antenna on Clegg building is the original Linco pole installed in 1937which is grounded and shunt fed, the antenna system also uses part of the top guy wire as top loading for increased electrical height due to short physical length of 100' on a 100' building. Other Linco pole antennas survive at WFEA and WCSH. Until recently there were two more antWNJR in Union, NJ, I think they have been torn down. WLLH Lawrence also had a completely staffed Lawrence operation in the Clegg building, I remember visiting it in my early teens. WLLH moved up three spots on the dial to 1400 in the great frequency reshuffle of 1941. The Western Electrics were upgraded for 250 watt service. During the late fifties class IV am stations were once again given a daytime power increase to 1000 watts, at this time WLLH installed identical RCA BTA-1R transmitters which had the power reduction necessary for continued 250 watt night operation. Sometime in the early sixties the city of Lowell initiated an urban renewal project and one of the casualties included the Rex Center. WLLH moved its studios and transmitter to an industrial building called One Broadway which if I remember correctly once had a Kings discount department on one of the floors. A new 100' guyed shunt fed tower was installed the roof. I remember some of the studios and transmitter room were lined with copper mesh screening as a Faraday cage. Not a pretty place... In the 80's both stations received the clas IV 1 kilowatt fulltime upgrade. In 1985 the Lowell transmitter was moved to its current location on Veterans Memorial highway with a new Harris SX-1 which ran at the reduced power of 680 watts due to the increased effiency of the standard 1/4 wave antenna. A series of actual field readings were done in the mid nineties to prove poor condutivity would allow for full 1 kilowatt operation which resumed in 1996 The studios were moved to 40 Church St in 1995 after the sale of WSSH-FM During the nineties the high accuracy frequency oscillators in use since the RCA installations were replaced with Odetics GPS receivers that provide a 1.4 Mhz output. The installation of the GPS system and a new STL system that feeds audio from an equal path using Wood Hill in Andover just about eliminated the phasing problems that plagued sychronous operations. The WLLH Lowell site was updated with a new Harris DAX-1 in November 2006 due to SX-1 parts unavailablity. WLLH Lawrence is off the air awaiting another new DAX-1 as the SX-1's life is also over. Recently WLLH Lowell suffered serious vandalism that unfortunatly happened just after Lawrence breathed its last breath Lawrence will be back in a few weeks. Studios were again moved to the Lowell Hilton and remained untill the sale to Mega which consolidated them with WAMG/WNFT/and various combinations of call letters and frequency switches. Hope this answers your questions Chris Hall From wollman@bimajority.org Sun May 6 11:02:03 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:02:03 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... In-Reply-To: <463D5DE1.9020502@cssinc.com> References: <17981.11861.497466.424102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D5DE1.9020502@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <17981.60907.569300.370594@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > May we inquire as to what You Screw Em is charging for this little gem? > Brian YDI is asking full list price ($199), same as Universal was last I checked. I'm certain you can get it cheaper somewhere else. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sun May 6 11:23:16 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:23:16 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <463DE121.4040206@frontiernet.net> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <463DE121.4040206@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <17981.62180.805782.370925@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I have been trying to figure out what a low-cost solution to sending > high fidelity stereo "sans" POTS hum and noise to the broadcast station > might be. Sounds like what you want is what the industry calls a "POTS codec". You can find several brands advertised in the trade magazines. Unfortunately, they are fairly expensive (about $3000 a pop), but it is not unlikely that the station you're looking to feed already has one (and if not, their engineer probably knows wherer to get an older model for cheaper than list price). > So far, all I can come up with is approaching the station management > with the idea of the church sending left and right data streams to > them via the internet. But I'm not sure whether our current DSL > bandwidth is sufficient to do that reliably. Such things have been done before. Some of the more expensive hardware codecs can do this for you. > * *If* the internet is used for this kind of remote feed, what is > commonly accepted as the minimum acceptable bandwidth for the connection? Whatever the codec (hardware or software) you're using requires. Newer ones generally require less bandwidth for the same audio quality. Older ones typically had to fit in 112 kbit/s, since that's what ISDN gives you. Ogg Vorbis, which is Free Software, is psychoacoustically transparent at 128 kbit/s, and doesn't require much of a computer to run at better than real time. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun May 6 11:33:22 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:33:22 -0400 Subject: WLLH info for Dan References: <001b01c78f94$bdbc8950$6358da18@Chicken159> Message-ID: <000901c78ff3$e8697a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Great, Chris! Thanks for the history lesson. Since you CCed the Boston Radio List, New England radio historian, Donna Halper has been copied. So has Northeast radio historian Scott Fybush, proprietor of Fybush.com and publisher of NorthEast Radio Watch, Tower Site of the Week, and the annual Tower Site Calendar. However, I am CCing both Scott and Donna on this message to alert them to archive your message. Scott and Donna are widely regarded as THE sources of accurate radio history info in this part of the world and your message belongs in their archives. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris2526" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: WLLH info for Dan > Dan, during my years of employment at Jam'n 94.5 and WLLH I became > very friendy with the Lerner family who owned WLLH from the 50's through > the 90's. Arnold Lerner gave me copies of an interesting collection of WLLH > information from its inception on October 10, 1934. > > I will list the details that I think will answer your questions. > > Original owner Merrimac broadcasting 100 watts on 1370 from a rooftop self > supporting tower on top of the Rex Center in downtown Lowell. The Rex > Center > was a roller skating rink and the WLLH main studios were located on the > second floor, pictures show them to be quite elaborate. Original > transmitter was a 100 watt > Western Electric Do not know if self supporting tower was insulated or base > grounded and shunt fed. > > On December 1, 1937 WLLH Lawrence signed on with 100 watts from the > roof of the Clegg building which is the same site WLLH Lawrence still uses. > It also had a Western Electric 100 watt transmitter and the stations used a > crude system of frequency syncronization designed by Bell Labs. > You are correct about plans for a third site at 100 watts in Haverhill hence > LLH...Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill. It was never built because all local > channels > given a power increase to 250 watts fulltime and it seems the thinking was > that the Haverhill coverage was sufficient. > Antenna on Clegg building is the original Linco pole installed in 1937which > is grounded and shunt fed, the antenna system also uses part of the top guy > wire as top loading for increased electrical height due to short physical > length of 100' on a 100' building. Other Linco pole antennas survive at WFEA > and WCSH. > Until recently there were two more antWNJR in Union, NJ, I think they have > been torn down. WLLH Lawrence also had a completely staffed Lawrence > operation > in the Clegg building, I remember visiting it in my early teens. > WLLH moved up three spots on the dial to 1400 in the great frequency > reshuffle > of 1941. The Western Electrics were upgraded for 250 watt service. > > During the late fifties class IV am stations were once again given a daytime > power increase to 1000 watts, at this time WLLH installed identical RCA > BTA-1R transmitters which had the power reduction necessary for continued > 250 watt > night operation. > Sometime in the early sixties the city of Lowell initiated an urban renewal > project > and one of the casualties included the Rex Center. > WLLH moved its studios and transmitter to an industrial building called > One Broadway which if I remember correctly once had a Kings discount > department on one of the floors. A new 100' guyed shunt fed tower was > installed > the roof. I remember some of the studios and transmitter room were lined > with copper mesh screening as a Faraday cage. Not a pretty place... > In the 80's both stations received the clas IV 1 kilowatt fulltime upgrade. > In 1985 the Lowell transmitter was moved to its current location on Veterans > Memorial highway with a new Harris SX-1 which ran at the reduced power of > 680 watts due to the increased effiency of the standard 1/4 wave antenna. A > series of actual field readings were done in the mid nineties to prove poor > condutivity would allow for full 1 kilowatt operation which resumed in 1996 > The studios were moved to 40 Church St in 1995 after the sale of WSSH-FM > During the nineties the high accuracy frequency oscillators in use since the > RCA installations were replaced with Odetics GPS receivers that provide a > 1.4 Mhz > output. The installation of the GPS system and a new STL system that feeds > audio from an equal path using Wood Hill in Andover just about eliminated > the phasing > problems that plagued sychronous operations. > The WLLH Lowell site was updated with a new Harris DAX-1 in November 2006 > due to SX-1 parts unavailablity. WLLH Lawrence is off the air awaiting > another new DAX-1 as the SX-1's life is also over. > Recently WLLH Lowell suffered serious vandalism that unfortunatly happened > just after Lawrence breathed its last breath Lawrence will be back in a few > weeks. > Studios were again moved to the Lowell Hilton and remained untill the sale > to Mega > which consolidated them with WAMG/WNFT/and various combinations of call > letters and frequency switches. > Hope this answers your questions > > Chris Hall > > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Sun May 6 14:19:02 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:19:02 -0400 Subject: WLLH info for Dan References: <001b01c78f94$bdbc8950$6358da18@Chicken159> Message-ID: <002301c7900b$06dc7660$a6d38018@Mark> Chris Hall wrote: >The Rex Center > was a roller skating rink and the WLLH main studios were located on the > second floor, pictures show them to be quite elaborate. > Sometime in the early sixties the city of Lowell initiated an urban renewal project and one of the casualties included the Rex Center. > WLLH moved its studios and transmitter to an industrial building called > One Broadway which if I remember correctly once had a Kings discount > department on one of the floors. To add to and clarify some of Chris Hall's excellent information, if I may: The Rex Center not only had a roller skating rink and radio station, but also had a restaurant, bowling alley and banquet hall. (On a personal note, my parent's wedding reception was held there in Sept.1948). Most of the Rex Center complex was destroyed by a fire in June 1960. As my father told me in sharing his many memories over the years of the golden days of WLLH, longtime WLLH newsman & personality Tom Clayton, who was with the station from 1936 to 1980 broadcast live descriptions of the fire on the air from the fire escape outside the WLLH studios until the Lowell studios lost power and the fire dept. told him to come down for his safety. The tower remained standing throughout the fire. He believes the Lowell transmitter came back on the air sometime (several days?) after the fire and WLLH originated all programming from Lawrence even after Lowell's TX came back. The destroyed portion of the Rex was torn down not long after the fire, the remainder (including the portion that WLLH occupied and the tower) was demolished some years later. In 1963 WLLH moved it's Lowell studios and transmitter to 4 Broadway, a large 4 story industrial buliding with the Giant Store (a department store) in the basement, first and part of the second floor which had closed by the mid-1970's. Today that entire building is now luxury apartments. Mark Watson From hmadjid@gmail.com Sun May 6 16:51:53 2007 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:51:53 -0400 Subject: 70th Anniversary of Hindenburg disaster & famous Herb Morrison broadcast Message-ID: Today, May 6th, is the 70th anniversary of the Hindenburg disaster and WLS radio reporter Herb Morrison's famous narrative. 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF). From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun May 6 20:38:50 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:38:50 -0400 Subject: WLLH info for Dan In-Reply-To: <000901c78ff3$e8697a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001b01c78f94$bdbc8950$6358da18@Chicken159> <000901c78ff3$e8697a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070507003916.BA73D5F765D@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:33 AM 5/6/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Great, Chris! Thanks for the history lesson. .. Scott and Donna are widely >regarded as THE sources of accurate radio history info in this part of the >world and your message belongs in their archives. And we try to be as accurate as possible, so we are always appreciative of new information! :-) Chris wrote-- > > Dan, during my years of employment at Jam'n 94.5 and WLLH I became > > very friendy with the Lerner family who owned WLLH from the 50's through > > the 90's. Arnold Lerner gave me copies of an interesting collection of >WLLH > > information from its inception on October 10, 1934. And I'd love to see copies of some of it. I am friendly with some members of the Harrison family-- Gerry Harrison was one of the original participants in the stations that came before it, WLEX and WLEY in Lexington, one of which was sold to the late great John Shepard 3rd and the other of which migrated to Lowell to become WLLH. According to Federal Radio Commission/Federal Communication Commission files, the call letters for WLLH were picked up on 13 August 1934, but interestingly, the official license to move the station to Lowell didn't arrive till 6 November 1934. In addition to Gerry Harrison, Al Moffat was also involved-- Al was a former newsreel photographer, who put WMAS on the air in Springfield in 1932 and had been friends with the folks who put WLEX and WLEX on the air in the mid 1920s (that bunch included Gerry Harrison, Carl Wheeler and Jack Dodge-- who also experimented with mechanical television in 1928-30). If I recall correctly, Gerry Harrison went on to be WLLH's general manager for quite a while. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 6 22:47:55 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 21:47:55 -0500 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <001c01c78fd2$f952b640$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <001c01c78fd2$f952b640$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <463E4D0B.21883.8B0D4A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 May 2007 at 7:37, Dan Strassberg wrote: > WTRI (TV) was on Channel 35--not 45. Right, that was a typo. > All of this conspired to give Channel 41 very poor coverage. However, > the station overcame these (literal) obstacles by acquiring additional > signals--first WMGT N Adams on Channel 74 (later moved to Channel 19 > and rechristened WCDC) and then by constructing Channel 29 in Hagaman. > Channel 19 transmits from Mt Greylock, the highest point in Mass. The > signal is huge and it covers most of the Capital District pretty well. Actually, I think the order of things is different. WMGT moved to channel 19 while it was still WMGT. Then a storm destroyed the tower, forcing the station off the air for a time. Then, channel 29 in Hagaman came on, and the WROW-TV call letters became WCDA, so that it was WCDA on 41 and WCDB on 29. Finally, channel 19 on Mt. Greylock returned to the air as WCDC. And that was where things stood when my family moved from Albany, 50 years ago this weekend. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Sun May 6 21:16:39 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 21:16:39 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... In-Reply-To: <17981.60907.569300.370594@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <17981.11861.497466.424102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D5DE1.9020502@cssinc.com> <17981.60907.569300.370594@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <463E7DF7.5050408@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> May we inquire as to what You Screw Em is charging for this little gem? >> Brian > > YDI is asking full list price ($199), same as Universal was last I > checked. I'm certain you can get it cheaper somewhere else. I paid half that for mine...but that was a special group-buy offer for the broadcast community that has since expired. Do note that for most models of HD Radio right now, including the HDT-1, there's a $40 rebate available through Ibiquity (hdradio.com), with UPC and receipt from point of purchase. (The rebate deal does not apply to purchases from Best Buy, which apparently has a separate promotional offer of its own.) And do also note, for those looking for a VERY inexpensive introduction to HD Radio, that Radiosophy is finally shipping actual radios, and that their new budget model ends up costing all of $59 after the rebate (radiosophy.com). s From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun May 6 23:55:37 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 23:55:37 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> <463D14EF.11922.AAE63E@joe.attorneyross.com> <001c01c78fd2$f952b640$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <169801c7905b$92f03d30$6401a8c0@pastor2> <> If my memory is correct, Channel 13 (then known as WAST) moved its transmitting facilities to Bald Mountain back in the late '60s or early '70s, perhaps at the same time that auxiliary Channel 35 was eliminated. Supposedly, reception in the Capital District improved a great deal. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Rick Kelly" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: A fun trivia question > WTRI (TV) was on Channel 35--not 45. It was by far the better of the two > facilities, with transmitter on a nearly 1000' tower atop 500' (or so) Bald > Mountain, just north of Troy. WROW-TV, meanwhile, was transmitting from a > 700' tower in N Greenbush. The location of the base of the tower is actually > in the valley on the east side of the Hudson, where the land climbs steeply > by at least 300' as you go eastward and then climbs more than another 1000' > as you go further east into Mass. To the west, the land climbs more > gradually at first but it still climbs pretty far. By the time you reach > Schenectady, your height above sea level is about the same as that of the > TOP of the N Greenbush tower. (For at least the last 30 years now, the N > Greenbush tower has been home to my alma mater's noncommercial FM, WRPI > 91.5.) > > All of this conspired to give Channel 41 very poor coverage. However, the > station overcame these (literal) obstacles by acquiring additional > signals--first WMGT N Adams on Channel 74 (later moved to Channel 19 and > rechristened WCDC) and then by constructing Channel 29 in Hagaman. Channel > 19 transmits from Mt Greylock, the highest point in Mass. The signal is huge > and it covers most of the Capital District pretty well. Channel 41 continued > to cover the valley areas that the Channel 19 signal couldn't reach very > well because of the topography. Hagaman is in the Mohawk Valley west of > Schenectady and the Channel 29 signal did a good job in Schenectady. > > But being a network of UHF stations left what were by then WCDA (41), WCDB > (29), and WCDC (19) at a competitive disadvantage to GE's legacy VHF signal > WRGB (6). Then the engineers discovered that there was a small triangle of > land in Vail Mills, just south of Sacondaga Reservoir and about 38 miles > west of downtown Albany that allowed a full-spaced VHF drop-in on Channel > 10. The location was just 170 miles from co-channel stations in Providence, > Rochester, and Montreal. A 1350' tower was constructed and Channel 10 > replaced Channel 29. In the end, though, the Channel 10 signal from Vail > Mills still needed help from Channels 19 and 41 to cover the whole market. > > Then, the FCC agreed to grant short spacing to Channel 10, which moved to > the Heldeberg Mountains southwest of Albany, close to the Channel 6 site > with a directional antenna protecting Providence. Because Channel 10's > signal is severely limited to the east, Channel 19 still acts as a > translator. > > I am not nearly as familiar with the Channel 35 situation. But I do know > that Channel 35 did return to the air as an ABC affiliate and it was also > granted a short-spaced VHF assignment on Channel 13 protecting WNET in New > York (technically, Newark). I don't know whether the Albany 13 ever > transmitted from the Saratoga area, where it would not have been short > spaced, but I believe that it is now on what began life as the Channel 35 > tower atop Bald Mountain. > > I've often wondered why Channels 10 and 13 in the Capital District never > swapped transmitter sites. Although such a swap would have exacerbated the > short spacing on both channels, it would have placed the market's population > in the direction of the maximum signal strength, rather than the minimum > signal strength. Of course, everybody now has cable, so it really makes no > difference anymore. I'm sure that Scott and/or Garrett can fill us in on the > transmitter locations and channel numbers of the Capital District's Channel > 10 and 13 DTV equivalents. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Rick Kelly" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: A fun trivia question > > > > On 5 May 2007 at 23:15, Rick Kelly wrote: > > > > > WTRY was sold in '55. I don't think WTRY dropped CBS. It was the other > > > way around, with Lowell Thomas, part owner of WROW, pulling some > > > strings to move CBS over there. > > > > This makes sense, too, because at the same time, WROW-TV, Channel 41, > > became a CBS affiliate, putting WTRY's sister station, WTRI, Channel > > 45, off the air for lack of an affiliate. > > > > > I don't know who invented the Color Radio moniker. I > > > thought it was Chuck Blore, but maybe he stole it from somewhere else. > > > I don't beleive WTRY was using color radio until they bought that > > > jingle package (in '58?) - but not sure. > > > > I don't think WTRY was using Color Radio in 1958. We moved back to > > the Boston area in 1957, but I discovered that I could hear WPTR at > > night, and I was listening at that time, and they were doing Color > > Radio at that time. One of their gimmicks was to somehow > > electronically convert colors into sounds. They'd play a sound and > > ask listeners to guess what color it was. So they actually did have > > color radio, I guess. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Sun May 6 23:00:12 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:00:12 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question References: <157501c78e7a$0ae89f00$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000c01c79053$d4ce1770$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> My Dad was hired by NBC in late 1949 or early 1950 to crew the first Today show. He knew Buffalo Bob, and my earliest memory of TV was Buffalo looking straight into the camera and saying "David, you have to eat your vegetables". This must have been around 1954. I would have been about 3 years old. I ran into a closet and refused to come out until Dad came home and talked me out. He brought home an RCA color set sometime around 1956. I was very young, so I have some confused memories about that time. I remember watching Bonanza in color, but I think that show didn't air in color until 1957 or 1958. He transferred to RCA in Camden in 1958, and I remember staying a couple of nights in the now-demolished Cherry Hill Inn, which featured an RCA color set in each room. The RCA color set in that room was of a clearly more recent vintage than the set we had at home. Years later, in 1968 and later in 1972, I worked at channel 13 in Albany, WAST at the time, in their old meat-locker facility on North Pearl Street. We aired the Soap Opera "Dark Shadows" on a one-week delay. ABC sent us monochrome kines but they aired the show in color, so I had to cut the audio briefly to block the phrase "in color". We aired Merv Griffin, Dick Cavett, and Roller Derby on quad tapes. It was, needless to say, an interesting operation... Somewhere, I still have the RCA "Color TV Manual" that described methods that could be used by TV stations to convert gradually to color. Not a lot different in concept from the transition to digital TV and the transition to digital radio. Lots of memories here, but that's about it for the introduction of color TV. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: A fun trivia question > While we're on the subject of Muntz TVs and their reportedly awful color > sets, here's a good question to pursue: What was the first time you ever > saw a color telecast? > > In my case, I was about fifteen, I think, and it was a telecast of the > weekday afternoon Merv Griffin Show that used to be on Channel 4 in the > mid-'60s. The set was a brand-new RCA Victor color console that was in > one > of the waiting rooms of Henry Heywood Hospital in Gardner. Someone had > donated it to the hospital. The thing had quite a number of knobs and > buttons on it, including at least three or four by which one could adjust > the color, but obviously no one on the hospital staff knew what to do with > them. Poor Merv was as green as a Martian. > > -Doug > > > > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon May 7 08:49:45 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:49:45 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <17981.62180.805782.370925@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070505183158.739761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <005701c78f88$78cd6780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <17981.19513.873667.272893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <463D1A15.19791.BF00BA@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070506114748.DDOY17296.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <463DE121.4040206@frontiernet.net> <17981.62180.805782.370925@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <463F2069.704@cssinc.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> I have been trying to figure out what a low-cost solution to sending >> high fidelity stereo "sans" POTS hum and noise to the broadcast station >> might be. >> > > Sounds like what you want is what the industry calls a "POTS codec". > You can find several brands advertised in the trade magazines. > Unfortunately, they are fairly expensive (about $3000 a pop), but it > is not unlikely that the station you're looking to feed already has > one (and if not, their engineer probably knows wherer to get an older > model for cheaper than list price). > > >> So far, all I can come up with is approaching the station management >> with the idea of the church sending left and right data streams to >> them via the internet. But I'm not sure whether our current DSL >> bandwidth is sufficient to do that reliably. >> > > Such things have been done before. Some of the more expensive > hardware codecs can do this for you. > > >> * *If* the internet is used for this kind of remote feed, what is >> commonly accepted as the minimum acceptable bandwidth for the connection? >> > > Whatever the codec (hardware or software) you're using requires. > Newer ones generally require less bandwidth for the same audio > quality. Older ones typically had to fit in 112 kbit/s, since that's > what ISDN gives you. Ogg Vorbis, which is Free Software, is > psychoacoustically transparent at 128 kbit/s, and doesn't require much > of a computer to run at better than real time. > > -GAWollman > Last Thanksgiving, 48 hours before game time, WMWM in Salem was asked if it could broadcast the Beverly-Salem football game. This game had been previously broadcast on WESX prior to its sale and flip to Spanish. One of WESX's former announcers, Rick Moore, now operates a for profit website (www.moorestuffonline.com) that was webcasting the game. After the appropriate permissions and rights were quickly obtained, it was agreed that we would pick up his web feed and rebroadcast it. Since we are a non-comm we had Rick's permission to cover the spots with PSA's. Given the fact that it was a web feed, I was expecting the worst. The rig at the remote end, I later found out, consisted of several mic's, a mixer and a laptop with a Verizon broadband card. It fed the feed to Rick's server which we in turn picked up via our booth internet feed. Much to my surprise, the feed was network quality! The only problems that we had were the result of a hard, wind driven rain that quickly destroyed Rick's umbrellas and all other protections he had against the elements. Very quickly all of the electronics were getting throughly soaked and water logged. Mic's were shorting out and the mixer developed some issues but the feed stayed up until the last two minutes when the laptop became so waterlogged that it just gave up. When the feed finally quit due to the laptop turned jacuzzi's failure, we finished the last two minutes via cell. The point here is that while an internet streaming feed may not be as ideal as one of the fancy $3K codecs, it certainly is a cost-effective solution. I am exploring setting up a test rig of my own to allow WMWM to do live remotes. Brian Vita, WMWM sometimes.... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon May 7 09:20:06 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 06:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <463F2069.704@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <704015.61486.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Brian Vita wrote: > When the feed finally quit due to the laptop turned jacuzzi's > failure, > we finished the last two minutes via cell. Just curious, did the equipment ever "dry out," or was it totally ruined? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From me@billoneill.us Mon May 7 10:58:51 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:58:51 -0400 Subject: WLLH info for Dan In-Reply-To: <002301c7900b$06dc7660$a6d38018@Mark> References: <001b01c78f94$bdbc8950$6358da18@Chicken159> <002301c7900b$06dc7660$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <463F3EAB.6050807@billoneill.us> Mark Watson wrote: > In 1963 WLLH moved it's Lowell studios and transmitter to 4 > Broadway, a large 4 story industrial buliding with the Giant Store (a > department store) in the basement, first and part of the second floor > which had closed by the mid-1970's. Today that entire building is now > luxury apartments. There was a closed-circuit camera facing the parking lot of 4 B'way with a monitor in the air studio. The action on the screen was akin to episodes of "Baretta." The idea that 4 B'way and luxury are in the same sentence gives me even greater respect for building contractors. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon May 7 11:05:29 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:05:29 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <704015.61486.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c790b9$277866a0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Never found out. I haven't had a chance to talk to Rick since then. The "carrier" stayed rock solid up until it died. You could hear the mic's and mixer shorting out during the show. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Smyth [mailto:sean.smyth@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:20 AM > To: Brian Vita; Garrett Wollman > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station > > > Brian Vita wrote: > > When the feed finally quit due to the laptop turned > jacuzzi's failure, > > we finished the last two minutes via cell. > > Just curious, did the equipment ever "dry out," or was it > totally ruined? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/792 - Release > Date: 5/6/2007 9:01 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/792 - Release Date: 5/6/2007 9:01 PM From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon May 7 11:50:59 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:50:59 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <169801c7905b$92f03d30$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <0ED4FCF5.310DAF72.0CE337EB@aol.com> <002501c78f48$0b4a8980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <521b7fd10705052015r439720ffr251fe4803adbef21@mail.gmail.com> <463D14EF.11922.AAE63E@joe.attorneyross.com> <001c01c78fd2$f952b640$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <169801c7905b$92f03d30$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <521b7fd10705070850w6946264alfe68e809a8ba40de@mail.gmail.com> On 5/6/07, Doug Drown wrote: > If my memory is correct, Channel 13 (then known as WAST) moved its > transmitting facilities to Bald Mountain back in the late '60s or early > '70s, perhaps at the same time that auxiliary Channel 35 was eliminated. It was earlier than that. At the latest, 1962. WAST advertised their sign on from Bald Mountain in Brunswick NY (the Ch 35 site) as "The Friendly Giant" - a drawing of a giant Mr. Clean looking character standing next to the tower. I lived in Schenectady at the time (10 years old) and remember being disappointed with the signal strength where I lived. I later learned that the Channel 13 signal was not so great in Schenectady due the terrain issues Dan mentioned previously. WRGB and WTEN had fine signals in Schenectady, they were in the Helderberg Mountains. WAST was gangbusters, however in Albany and Troy. I had heard a rumor that in order to protect Ch 13 in NYC, WAST could not be a Helderberg operation. A rumor that I also heard was that WAST did not transmit on EXACTLY Ch 13 as WNET did... the WAST signal was tuned to be a little off the WNET signal, to cause less interference. I don't know if this was (is) true or not. Like with most everything, there were probably at least a couple of schools of thought about TX placement and signal. The Helderberg signals are poorer in the Hudson Valley areas of Troy, Cohoes and my former stomping ground, Waterford, NY. But certainly the total amount of coverage, in terms of square miles is greater for the Helderberg stations. -- -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon May 7 13:05:45 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A fun trivia question In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10705070850w6946264alfe68e809a8ba40de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <960387.11737.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Mon, 7 May 2007 11:50:59 Rick Kelly wrote: > At the latest, 1962. WAST advertised their > sign on from Bald Mountain in Brunswick NY (the Ch > 35 site) as "The > Friendly Giant" - a drawing of a giant Mr. Clean > looking character > standing next to the tower. I lived in Schenectady > at the time (10 > years old) and remember being disappointed with the > signal strength > where I lived. I later learned that the Channel 13 > signal was not so > great in Schenectady due the terrain issues Dan > mentioned previously. > WRGB and WTEN had fine signals in Schenectady, they > were in the > Helderberg Mountains. WAST was gangbusters, however > in Albany and > Troy. And all these years later, the very same is still true. Not just in Schenectady either - reception on analog channel 13 in my apartment by Union College is not good at all (loaded with multipath - good thing they decided to move their DTV signal to the Helderbergs otherwise they'd have major problems with their digital OTA signal). And this situation remains true in most outlying areas to the west of the market, such as Fulton and Montgomery counties. Where I grew up in Broadalbin, before I was allowed to have cable TV in my bedroom, the multipath distortion on 13 was so bad that I would actually watch NBC programming from WKTV Utica (channel 2, transmitting from Kallet Hill @25 miles east of Utica proper) which at least put a clean and clear signal over that area. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon May 7 14:27:56 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:27:56 -0400 Subject: A fun trivia question References: <960387.11737.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <174c01c790d5$6fb623f0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I stand corrected. You're right --- I think WAST moved its transmitter when I was in sixth or seventh grade, which would have been 1962 or '63. The hype, as I remember, was considerable --- Channel 13 had been the "also ran" of the three local outlets, and this was their opportunity to strut their stuff. When I'm in Schenectady and see what Channel 13 is today in comparison to what it was in the early '60s, it's like night and day. "Primitive" would have been a good word to use --- kind of like Channel 9 in Manchester back when it was owned by United Television. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Rick Kelly" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan Strassberg" ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: A fun trivia question > > On Mon, 7 May 2007 11:50:59 Rick Kelly > wrote: > > > At the latest, 1962. WAST advertised their > > sign on from Bald Mountain in Brunswick NY (the Ch > > 35 site) as "The > > Friendly Giant" - a drawing of a giant Mr. Clean > > looking character > > standing next to the tower. I lived in Schenectady > > at the time (10 > > years old) and remember being disappointed with the > > signal strength > > where I lived. I later learned that the Channel 13 > > signal was not so > > great in Schenectady due the terrain issues Dan > > mentioned previously. > > WRGB and WTEN had fine signals in Schenectady, they > > were in the > > Helderberg Mountains. WAST was gangbusters, however > > in Albany and > > Troy. > > And all these years later, the very same is still > true. Not just in Schenectady either - reception on > analog channel 13 in my apartment by Union College is > not good at all (loaded with multipath - good thing > they decided to move their DTV signal to the > Helderbergs otherwise they'd have major problems with > their digital OTA signal). And this situation remains > true in most outlying areas to the west of the market, > such as Fulton and Montgomery counties. Where I grew > up in Broadalbin, before I was allowed to have cable > TV in my bedroom, the multipath distortion on 13 was > so bad that I would actually watch NBC programming > from WKTV Utica (channel 2, transmitting from Kallet > Hill @25 miles east of Utica proper) which at least > put a clean and clear signal over that area. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon May 7 14:52:15 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:52:15 -0400 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... Message-ID: > > From: Brian Vita > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > To: Garrett Wollman > Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:47:29 -0400 > Subject: Re: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... > May we inquire as to what You Screw Em is charging for this > little gem? YDI occasionally sends flyers with discount coupons to their customer mailing list for certain holiday sales, which are redeemable only on certain dates on or around the holidays. I bought my HDT-1 there in February. It was selling for $199, but with a 20% off coupon from their Presidents Day flyer, I got it for $159. I purchased nothing else there that day, so the total purchase value of the coupon applied entirely to the HDT-1. I live on the side of a south-facing hill in Somerville. Just behind the trees and houses immediately across the street from me, there's an open view from downtown Boston to the southeast, to the 128 antenna farm to the southwest. The higher terrain behind my house somewhat obscures reception from the north. With a TV rabbit ear antenna installed on the Sangeean for FM, I get steady, strong HD FM reception on WERS, WGBH, WBUR, WBOS, WMKK, WJMN, WTKK, WKAF, WZLX, WKLB, WBCN, WROR, WMJX, WXKS-FM. I can also get WUMB, WSRS, WCRB, and WAAF to lock into HD if I place the antenna in certain precise positions. I get text on some of the Providence and Manchester NH signals, but not strong enough reception for HD. I also get text (RDS) locally on WXRV, WHRB, WBMX and WODS which, as far as I know, are not running HD. With the loop antenna for the AM, I get steady HD (when they are running it) on WBZ, WMKI and WXKS-AM. It also gets WJIB in C-Quam AM stereo, but it does not have an AM wideband analog feature. WJIB has separation, but sounds as muddy as typical mono narrowband AM tuners. I still use my mid-80's wideband Sony STR-AV490 AM stereo/FM stereo receiver for WJIB, which makes it sound surprisingly excellent for analog AM. EP From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon May 7 11:51:04 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:51:04 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station Message-ID: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com> At WBRS lately we've had a Barix Instreamer serve as the webcast encoder source - encoding a feed off the mix board (and through an EQ & Alesis compressor) and sending it off to Live365.com to be "served" out to the public internet. Eventually a regular computer will resume that encoder function and the Instreamer will be paired with an Exstreamer to serve as a backup STL across the campus LAN. The Barix boxes are remarkably stable, both in normal operation (there's no OS to crash like Windows) and in terms of getting audio reliably across the internet. I've see favorable reviews from other public radio stations using them for similar purposes, too. They're also fairly cheap - an In/Ex-streamer pair is about $600-$700. You can find 'em through a Google Search. The Barix boxes use VBR MP3's, and for a stereo feed "broadcast quality" demands about 112 to 128kbps of bandwidth. Mono feed requires half as much bandwidth. All MP3's will need that. Other codecs, such as Real, AAC or Windows Media Player can get "broadcast quality" with somewhat less bits; I've seen the AAC+ codec deliver impressive stereo sound at only 40kbps. But the piper must always be paid; using that few bits can get you into trouble if the wrong audio source material is used. For example, many low-bitrate codecs sound fine with music because of the complexity of the source material (acoustic masking) but they suddenly sound pretty lame on voice-only. Plus, if your radio station is broadcasting in HD Radio, or transmits a webcast, you run into "cascading algorithms" which means an already-heavily-compressed audio feed is getting compressed again. That can lead to crummy audio. Still, any halfway decent DSL line should be able to handle 112-128kbps. Just make sure nobody else is using the internet connection during live broadcasts! :-) I'd be hesitant to recommend a "normal" POTS solution because finding a clean enough POTS line can be a real bear. A POTS solution that works over CSD is also a bad long-term investment as more and more cell providers migrate away from a CSD platform. However, the two main POTS codec providers - Comrex and Tieline - are aware of this and have started making "POTS" Codecs that are really IP Codecs, and they work remarkably well. About two months ago I demoed a Tieline Commander G3 with a Sprint EVDO wireless PCMCIA card plugged into Linksys PCMCIA-to-RJ45 Gateway and it worked amazingly well. I've seen demos of the Comrex Access device and it also works quite well. Even over the public internet, these things tend to be remarkably stable...even over limited bandwidth like a cellphone (which frequently is a lot less than DSL)...but yes, sooner or later you probably will get "bitten" by a downed internet connection or something like that. If you want more five-nines reliability you probably want to go with ISDN or satellite. The latter has long-term prospects but is prohibitively expensive. The former costs about as much as POTS Codecs do (a new Telos Zephyr ISDN is about $3500 a pop, you'll need two...although they can be had on eBay sometimes for around $1500 each) although you'll pay per-minute line fees (similar to POTS long distance) for the ISDN calls. The rub is that ISDN is slowly being phased out as a service that Verizon and other CLECs are providing...so getting ISDN service can be a real PitA in your area, and you'll want to stay on top of it. The good news is that it's a SLOW phase out; ISDN will be around in one form or another for another 10 years at least (I'd guess). -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 (snip) I have been trying to figure out what a low-cost solution to sending high fidelity stereo "sans" POTS hum and noise to the broadcast station might be. So far, all I can come up with is approaching the station management with the idea of the church sending left and right data streams to them via the internet. But I'm not sure whether our current DSL bandwidth is sufficient to do that reliably. Nor do I know how much of a selling job I might have to do at the station end of things. (snip) From lglavin@mail.com Mon May 7 12:30:49 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:30:49 -0500 Subject: WLLH info for Dan Message-ID: <20070507163050.DAB0E1F58D6@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: chris2526 >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: WLLH info for Dan >Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 00:12:09 -0400 >The studios were moved to 40 Church St in 1995 after the sale of WSSH-FM >During the nineties the high accuracy frequency oscillators in use >since the RCA installations were replaced with Odetics GPS >receivers that provide a 1.4 Mhz >output. The installation of the GPS system and a new STL system >that feeds audio from an equal path using Wood Hill in Andover just >about eliminated the phasing >problems that plagued sychronous operations. >Chris Hall You mentioned elsewhere that after the lightning strike in December (December? A reminder of how warm that month was last year...I haven't seen any lightning around here so far this spring.) that WLLH/Lawrence went back on at just 250 watts. During the late winter, when the Lowell and Lawrence towers were in use, if I drove around parts of Methuen, Lawrence itself and Andover, I got the "shortwave effect" that I would normally expect to get on route 110 at the Methuen/Dracut line or on route 495 at the W. Andover/Tewksbury line. I believe at least one radio in my home would slowly get distorted and then clear very slowly, something that occasionally happens with WBZ-AM at night when a slight amount of skywave interferes with the groundwave signal. = Wedding Favors, Silk Flowers and Petals Huge selection. Wholesale prices, bulk discounts on top of the incredible flat rate. $4.95 shipping and fast 24-hours shipping. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=b48d5d022852524e7ac9a3de465d7f05 From lglavin@mail.com Mon May 7 12:45:06 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:45:06 -0500 Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... Message-ID: <20070507164506.C2D2D1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: IBOC not entirely useless after all.... >Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:24:37 -0400 >This afternoon I went down to You Blew It! and picked up a Sangean >HDT-1 to add to my home listening post. Some observations, using only >the supplied antennas: >2) It thinks WSRS is KAAJ. The only other Worcester station to come >in with decent signal quality is WAAF. >-GAWollman If I'm correct, I believe you live in the Metrowest area, and WAAF is not a WORCESTER signal any more but a WESTBORO station transmitting from the WUNI-TV tower. = High Quality Canopies and Pop Up Tents Ace Canopy offers high quality portable canopies and pop up tents to wholesalers and the general public at wholesale prices. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=fa6d32b380e5ab7ce3da53db9a3caf77 From dave@skywaves.net Mon May 7 19:47:35 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:47:35 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station References: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <095201c79102$1672c190$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> I used the Barix Exstreamer and Instreamer to set up an STL for a low power station, and they are nothing short of fabulous. This station has DSL at the studio and FiOS at the transmitter. You can set up a network with one encoder and up to eight decoders. The decoders, of course, can be anywhere in the world, so they are ideal for small distributed networks of transmitters or translators. They do use a *nix OS. Admin is by a web interface, so I can VPN into either end and check on things. The construction is very solid. Security seems adequate, and I came away very impressed overall. One encoder and one decoder cost $613 from BGS. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 > The Barix boxes are remarkably stable, both in normal operation (there's > no OS to crash like Windows) and in terms of getting audio reliably across > the internet. >> I have been trying to figure out what a low-cost solution to sending > high fidelity stereo "sans" POTS hum and noise to the broadcast station > might be. > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon May 7 22:49:47 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:49:47 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station] Message-ID: <463FE54B.5070603@ttlc.net> Aaron Read wrote: >The Barix boxes use VBR MP3's, and for a stereo feed "broadcast >quality" demands about 112 to 128kbps of bandwidth. Mono feed requires >half as much bandwidth. All MP3's will need that. Why VBR? If the source audio changes characteristics, the required bitrate could increase, making the bandwidth requirement a tad unpredictable. Unless, for example, the upper limit of the VBR is clamped. Would ABR manage the bandwidth better? >Even over the public internet, these things tend to be remarkably >stable...even over limited bandwidth like a cellphone (which frequently >is a lot less than DSL)...but yes, sooner or later you probably will >get "bitten" by a downed internet connection or something like that. We were "bitten" in Fremont, NH a couple of weeks ago when the rains came. Verizon's Raymond Exchange was completely flooded and the access roads were all washed out. So, for 10 days, we had no land line, no Cell Phone coverage, no 911, no alarm company connection. The only thing that continued to work was Comcast High Speed Internet and Comcast Telephone service. VOIP saved my day. Most businesses were paralyzed with no phone communication and thus no connectivity for Credit Card swiping. From readaaron@friedbagels.com Tue May 8 11:12:11 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:12:11 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station Message-ID: <4640934B.8020102@friedbagels.com> >The Barix boxes use VBR MP3's, and for a stereo feed "broadcast >quality" demands about 112 to 128kbps of bandwidth. Mono feed requires >half as much bandwidth. All MP3's will need that. Why VBR? If the source audio changes characteristics, the required bitrate could increase, making the bandwidth requirement a tad unpredictable. Unless, for example, the upper limit of the VBR is clamped. Would ABR manage the bandwidth better? ----- Actually by definition VBR manages bandwidth better since in the case of reduced available throughput it will throttle the bitrate rather than dropping out and rebuffering. But to answer your question, I don't know exactly why they only use VBR but it is kinda annoying. Especially in the method they implement it; you enter a number between 0 and 7 and each number corresponds to a bitrate range that the VBR will limit itself to. It's actually unable to encode at bitrates lower than about 60kbps which is pretty high for mono. I assume it's got something to do with codec licensing...it's not cheap to license MP3 codecs (nor particularly easy to do it "safely" with all the lawsuits flying around about who really "controls" the MP3 licensing) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue May 8 13:28:45 2007 From: Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:28:45 -0400 Subject: WATD Radio Classics Message-ID: <00d101c79197$41f4f410$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> WATD recently broadcast the annual 'Radio Classics' fundraiser from Massasoit Com College. Does anyone know if it is available for download or podcast anywhere? (Or streaming on-demand?) I have to think that someone industrious recorded it. ;-) DA From m1bz@hotmail.com Tue May 8 18:44:31 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:44:31 -0400 Subject: WATD Radio Classics In-Reply-To: <00d101c79197$41f4f410$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: We're thinking the local cable company may have taped it. Updates to follow. >From: "Don A" >To: >Subject: WATD Radio Classics >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:28:45 -0400 > >WATD recently broadcast the annual 'Radio Classics' fundraiser from >Massasoit Com College. > >Does anyone know if it is available for download or podcast anywhere? (Or >streaming on-demand?) > >I have to think that someone industrious recorded it. ;-) > >DA > _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage?get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From rogerkola@aol.com Tue May 8 18:55:53 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:55:53 -0300 Subject: The Jibguy's ratings...lost mail References: <463A0E15.8040507@friedbagels.com>, <002401c78dac$4f641980$19eefea9@dstrassberg><463A7252.17952.EF79A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000f01c78e38$3d32ca40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <000a01c791c4$08a07720$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Boy this got lost in the internet wasteland for a while...it was sent last Friday... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > Good Morning Joe etal... > > This is not a defensive rant, just early morning musings... > > As Dan mentioned, the agencies that cover their behinds by buying only > ratings are the biggest problem for "good salespeople" and with Arbitron's > 18-54 slant, "Adult Standards" (although that description must have slid > some as I listen to WJIB)are not reflected well within these demos. > > Additionally, if your station is operating with a .5 rating, and > "profitable" (barely) are you as Owner going to "buy" the ratings so your > "good salesmen" can utilize them in their sales package? Without a book how > do you set/justify your rates? If you resort to "dollar a holler" rates, how > many accounts will that salesperson have to balance to earn a decent > commission? > > I guess finally, how much can you compensate a "mature salesperson" or > several and still remain profitable? Can you keep up with the Big Boys (or > Girls)to keep these outstanding salespeople? > > Musing mode off, all these questions are of course rhetorical and have been > tossed around forever. It takes a special market to solve these issues and I > personally don't think Boston is it. > > BTW...I happened to find this page of actual ratings for a number of demos > in my web travels: > > www.triplefm.com/arbitron_F03.HTM > > I wonder if this market was embargoed after these were posted? > > Roger > WA1KAT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Dan Strassberg" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: The Jibguy's ratings > > > > On 3 May 2007 at 13:55, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > > > Would the demos improve enough to make the audience something a > > > Greater Media sales force could sell to advertisers? No way! > > > Remember, anyone GM would hire to sell WJIB believes the too old > > > crap as much as the agencies do. > > > > Well, if I were running a station and wanted to appeal to that > > demographic, I'd tell my sales force that it was up to them to get > > ads for that demographic, their jobs depended on being successful at > > it, and that bonuses would be paid to those who did it well. Good > > advertising people, given the mission, should be able to figure out > > how to do it. Those who start by deciding it's impossible should be > > encouraged to work somewhere else. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > From hykker@wildblue.net Tue May 8 22:22:39 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:22:39 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com> References: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <20070509022247.6445B36D121@mail.wildblue.net> Aaron Read wrote: >At WBRS lately we've had a Barix Instreamer serve as the webcast >encoder source - encoding a feed off the mix board (and through an >EQ & Alesis compressor) and sending it off to Live365.com to be >"served" out to the public internet. Eventually a regular computer >will resume that encoder function and the Instreamer will be paired >with an Exstreamer to serve as a backup STL across the campus LAN. > >The Barix boxes are remarkably stable, both in normal operation >(there's no OS to crash like Windows) and in terms of getting audio >reliably across the internet. I've see favorable reviews from other >public radio stations using them for similar purposes, too. I use a pair to get local sports feeds between a couple of my stations. They do sound good...the only problem I've had is that I have to power-cycle the Exstreamer every couple weeks...all indications look normal, but no audio. Not a big deal...the board op at the receive end knows what to do & I've never had one crash during a broadcast. You can also use Winamp to play back a stream. From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 9 16:27:04 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:27:04 -0500 Subject: Additional IBOC Hash Experienced Message-ID: <20070509202706.C250D16402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> A few days ago, it crossed my mind the check on WSMN-AM 1590 in Nashua, NH. I was on route 93 at the time, and instead of audio from that station, I received the kind of 'hash' one experiences when tuning to a frequency adjacent to an AM station broadcasting in HD. But WUNR-AM 1600 doesn't do that (yet)...then it occurred to me that I wasn't far from the WNNW-AM 800 tower, and WNNW does broadcast in HD days. That means I was probably getting the 'hash' from double WNNW's frequency, 1600. So in the future, if more and more AM stations between 540 and 800 go IBOC, stations near double their frequencies will get the kind of interference now noted only among outlets near HD broadcasters. Thus, if WEZE-AM 590 were to install HD, listeners not far way from Medford could be deprived of WDIS-AM 1170 (a great loss). Or if WRKO-AM 680 whent HD, there goes reception of WFEA-AM 1370 (WLYN-AM 1360 is already a casualty) for some people. = Municipal Bond Specialists: Fmsbonds.com All-in-one site for individual tax-free Bond investors: buy bonds online, strategies, commentary, market yields and more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=eec58c41c5611259c908d41137017fd5 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 10 00:28:09 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:28:09 -0400 Subject: Additional IBOC Hash Experienced References: <20070509202706.C250D16402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001a01c792bb$a23991d0$78a24c0c@SatU205S5044> At my QTH, WRKO has a killer signal--more than 200 mV/m according to V-Soft. On my car radio, and ONLY on my car radio, WRKO's second harmonic wipes out WLYN (but not WFEA). The fact that the phenomenon occurs only on one radio and a radio with a front-end tuned-RF stage--but not on at least one other radio with such a front-end stage (GE Super Radio III), demonstrates convincingly that the problem is in my car radio and not at WRKO. There is sufficient nonlinearity in the car radio's front end to generate a bit of second harmonic from WRKO's strong signal. If the car radio tuned up in the ham bands, I doubtless would have the problem at 2300 (WTTT), 2940 (WAZN) and 3020 (WWZN). Although a problem at WNNW may exist, it is more likely that, umm, the problem is in your set. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Additional IBOC Hash Experienced >A few days ago, it crossed my mind the check on WSMN-AM 1590 in > Nashua, NH. I was on route 93 at the time, and instead of audio > from that station, I received the kind of 'hash' one experiences > when tuning to a frequency adjacent to an AM station broadcasting > in HD. But WUNR-AM 1600 doesn't do that (yet)...then it occurred to > me that I wasn't far from the WNNW-AM 800 tower, and WNNW does > broadcast in HD days. That means I was probably getting the 'hash' > from double WNNW's frequency, 1600. So in the future, if more and > more AM stations between 540 and 800 go IBOC, stations near double > their frequencies will get the kind of interference now noted only > among outlets near HD broadcasters. Thus, if WEZE-AM 590 were to > install HD, listeners not far way from Medford could be deprived of > WDIS-AM 1170 (a great loss). Or if WRKO-AM 680 whent HD, there > goes reception of WFEA-AM 1370 (WLYN-AM 1360 is already a casualty) > for some people. > > = > Municipal Bond Specialists: Fmsbonds.com > All-in-one site for individual tax-free Bond investors: buy bonds > online, strategies, commentary, market yields and more. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=eec58c41c5611259c908d41137017fd5 > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu May 10 10:43:06 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:43:06 -0500 Subject: Any action on CP for WQTH Claremont NH? Message-ID: <20070510144306.46D7183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> I notice on radio-locator that the construction permit for WQTH 720 Claremont NH is due to expire on June 13. If it expires, can Vinikoor apply for an extension? Bob Vinikoor had wanted to build a 50kW day/50kW Critical hours/ 370 watt night signal originally for Hanover, but radio-locator lists it as Claremont now. The map linked to the co-ordinates shows the tower location to be southwest of Claremont on Claremont Rd. (NH Routes 11 and 12), not far from the Connecticut River/VT border. Anyone know if this is still likely to be built? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 10 11:46:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:46:54 -0400 Subject: Any action on CP for WQTH Claremont NH? References: <20070510144306.46D7183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <007201c7931a$7326bda0$19eefea9@satpro4600> If the CP expires without being tolled, Vinikoor will have to apply for a new CP. I believe I saw an application for a new CP in the FCC actions a month or so ago, but I won't swear to it. If I'm right, Scott can probably confirm; if I'm wrong and Scott says so, I'd believe him. Vinikoor bought a 50 kW transmitter for WQTH, put it in a truck, and drove it from Windsor ON to Claremont with a stop in Rochester NY so that Scott could see it, touch it, and photograph it. Some photos appeared on Scott's Web site about two years ago, I think. The transmitter had recently been retired from many years of outstanding service at the Big 8, CKLW. The WQTH saga seems to never end. You doubtless know about Vinikoor's long-running battle with the town in which the WQTH transmitter was to be located. The case went all the way to the NH Supreme Court and Bob won, but I gather that the town found new and even more ingenious ways to keep him from building--such as requiring a tall fence all around the farthest reaches of the property, which would have cost millions. At that point, he came up with a new design, a new site, and a new CoL (Claremont). But then the FCC required him to drastically reduce the night power to protect a station in Iceland that is scheduled to go dark shortly if it has not already done so. Why CHTN did not have to protect Iceland but WQTH would is a complete mystery to me. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Any action on CP for WQTH Claremont NH? > I notice on radio-locator that the construction permit for WQTH 720 Claremont NH is due to expire on > June 13. If it expires, can Vinikoor apply for an extension? Bob Vinikoor had wanted to build > a 50kW day/50kW Critical hours/ 370 watt night signal originally for Hanover, but radio-locator > lists it as Claremont now. > > The map linked to the co-ordinates shows the tower location to be southwest of Claremont on > Claremont Rd. (NH Routes 11 and 12), not far from the Connecticut River/VT border. > > Anyone know if this is still likely to be built? > From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu May 10 15:02:16 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:02:16 -0400 Subject: Additional IBOC Hash Experienced Message-ID: <8C9614CDC1EFB91-944-4FD0@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> "WRKO-1360" also appears on my car radio at my home a bit less than 3 miles from their transmitter. It's definitely the car radio's fault. A good communications receiver with a passive tuned loop shows clean WLYN. That said, it is also entirely possible for large metallic objects in the near field of transmitters to "stray-rectify" if there is corrosion. This can produce harmonics with more coverage than what is actually coming out of the transmitter itself at 2 or 3 times its frequency. Besides simple harmonics, corroded metal connections can produce intermodulation products when there are two or more strong signals in the area. For quite a while something at the G.E. Lynn Works was blending 950 and 1030 to produce an intermod signal on 870 (= 950 - (1030-950)). Because the site was right on the coast, the signal really carried, especially towards the southeast to the point that I was able to hear it in West Yarmouth on sensitive equipment (R-390A) back in the '70s before Maine came on 870. The Fore River Shipyard in Quincy, due to its waterfront location, large cranes, high-tension power lines / poles, and maze of pipes was another hot-spot for stray rectification, especially back when Quincy had 1510 at 50 kW besides 1260 and 1300 (not to mention 1030 close by in Hull). Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << At my QTH, WRKO has a killer signal--more than 200 mV/m according to V-Soft. On my car radio, and ONLY on my car radio, WRKO's second harmonic wipes out WLYN (but not WFEA). The fact that the phenomenon occurs only on one radio and a radio with a front-end tuned-RF stage--but not on at least one other radio with such a front-end stage (GE Super Radio III), demonstrates convincingly that the problem is in my car radio and not at WRKO. There is sufficient nonlinearity in the car radio's front end to generate a bit of second harmonic from WRKO's strong signal. If the car radio tuned up in the ham bands, I doubtless would have the problem at 2300 (WTTT), 2940 (WAZN) and 3020 (WWZN). Although a problem at WNNW may exist, it is more likely that, umm, the problem is in your set. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From scott@fybush.com Thu May 10 15:31:51 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:31:51 -0400 Subject: The unintentionally ubiquitous Fybush Message-ID: <46437327.9000101@fybush.com> This one's for our Maine listeners (hey, Chuck!): tune in to MPBN Radio's "Maine Things Considered" either today or tomorrow at 5:30 to hear me being interviewed about the Clear Channel stations up there being sold to Dean Goodman. MPBN streams at mpbn.org, and meanwhile over at WXXI, you can hear my weekly media/technology feature (which really needs a good name - there's a free WXXI hat to anyone who comes up with the right one!) this afternoon at 5:44 on our All Things Considered, streaming on our AM 1370 feed at wxxi.org. (It usually airs Wednesday afternoon, but it's on Thursday this week.) Gluttons for punishment may also want to listen to the AM 1370 feed this Sunday from 8 AM-noon and Monday from 2-6 PM, when I'll be on the air with our May pledge drive. The Monday shift is with Tom Proietti, our local commnunications professor extraordinaire, and those who've head previous installments (hi, Garrett) know it goes a bit beyond the usual pledge-drive fare. s From cohasset@frontiernet.net Thu May 10 16:00:40 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:00:40 +0000 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station In-Reply-To: <20070509022247.6445B36D121@mail.wildblue.net> References: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com> <20070509022247.6445B36D121@mail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <464379E8.70601@frontiernet.net> "Thank you!" to everyone who responded -- both on the reflector and off-line -- to my request for suggestions on ways to implement a low-cost stereo feed from my church to a nearby radio station. This is not my "day job", so I'm slow in getting back to any of you individually, but I *will* be following up with specific "how to" questions regarding some of the techniques proposed. Armed with some buzz-words and ideas from the responses I received here, I called the station today and spoke with the (self-described non-technical) station owner. The situation there is a bit more primitive that I had anticipated (...errr, maybe the correct word is "hoped"). For instance, the only other "live" remotes they do are local high school games; he tells me the audio feeds for these originate with a cell phone! (Heck, I'd love to know where they found a cell phone with that kind of talk time!) Further, their engineer is a contract person who usually only shows up at the station in response to an emergency, so scheduling a sit-down meeting with him will be next to impossible. Etc., etc. However, the owner is more than casually interested in working with me to find a way to improve the audio quality of our church service, and so we'll be pursuing possible solutions, although perhaps not exactly the way I had planned. In the meantime, I've been doing a bunch of background reading on equipment (Barix, et al.) and techniques suggested here. Again, to all who responded: Thank you! Bud Hippisley From me@billoneill.us Thu May 10 16:41:17 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:41:17 -0400 Subject: The unintentionally ubiquitous Fybush In-Reply-To: <46437327.9000101@fybush.com> References: <46437327.9000101@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4643836D.1040203@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > MPBN streams at mpbn.org, and meanwhile over at WXXI, you can hear my > weekly media/technology feature (which really needs a good name - > there's a free WXXI hat to anyone who comes up with the right one!) Hmm, [random input] media technology feature fybush scott radio waves dots museum of cooling and broadcasting... [garbled output] fybush on media, media this week, media week, fybush media this week ... Okay, not much, but it's a start! Hat's off to you, Scott! It says as much about the regional media that they are talking with the best sources. Bill O'Neill From Rogerkola@aol.com Thu May 10 18:23:27 2007 From: Rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:23:27 -0400 Subject: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station References: <463F4AE8.5090005@friedbagels.com><20070509022247.6445B36D121@mail.wildblue.net> <464379E8.70601@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <001901c79351$d6a2dc60$0300a8c0@Charlie> Bud mused... >>Heck, I'd love to know where they found a cell phone with that kind of talk time!<< Most of the cell services have "free nights and weekends" or unlimited in-calling or "friends and family" etc, plug your cell into a charger and a headset and you can go to it simply. If you want to run 2 mics andexchange feedback, there is a product called a "flipjack" that gives you all the interface you need to look like a "professional broadcaster." The only audio improvement would be the use of studio quality mics though ;-( Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cohasset / Hippisley" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Low cost remote stereo feed to FM station > "Thank you!" to everyone who responded -- both on the reflector and > off-line -- to my request for suggestions on ways to implement a low-cost > stereo feed from my church to a nearby radio station. This is not my "day > job", so I'm slow in getting back to any of you individually, but I *will* > be following up with specific "how to" questions regarding some of the > techniques proposed. > > Armed with some buzz-words and ideas from the responses I received here, I > called the station today and spoke with the (self-described non-technical) > station owner. The situation there is a bit more primitive that I had > anticipated (...errr, maybe the correct word is "hoped"). For instance, > the only other "live" remotes they do are local high school games; he > tells me the audio feeds for these originate with a cell phone! (Heck, > I'd love to know where they found a cell phone with that kind of talk > time!) Further, their engineer is a contract person who usually only > shows up at the station in response to an emergency, so scheduling a > sit-down meeting with him will be next to impossible. Etc., etc. > > However, the owner is more than casually interested in working with me to > find a way to improve the audio quality of our church service, and so > we'll be pursuing possible solutions, although perhaps not exactly the way > I had planned. > > In the meantime, I've been doing a bunch of background reading on > equipment (Barix, et al.) and techniques suggested here. Again, to all > who responded: Thank you! > > Bud Hippisley > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu May 10 19:31:33 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:31:33 -0400 Subject: The unintentionally ubiquitous Fybush References: <46437327.9000101@fybush.com> Message-ID: <014a01c7935b$5b135890$0201a8c0@Family> scott wrote: >>This one's for our Maine listeners (hey, Chuck!): tune in to MPBN Radio's "Maine Things Considered" either today or tomorrow at 5:30 to hear me being interviewed about the Clear Channel stations up there being sold to Dean Goodman.<< didn't catch it in the car as it aired when i had to turn off the vehicle and hike out to the lacrosse fields to round up a player from practice. i did, however, catch the online stream (already posted as of 720pm). sounded good - making perfect sense to me about the idea that radio, like politics, does better when local. welcome to Maine, Scott. oh - for your next appearance on Maine radio - please, please, please - lose the flannel shirt? that might work up in Bill O's part of the northeast Kingdom, but it is a bit out of season, what with it being after Patriots' Day. thanks - -Chuck Igo From scott@fybush.com Thu May 10 19:36:34 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:36:34 -0400 Subject: The unintentionally ubiquitous Fybush In-Reply-To: <014a01c7935b$5b135890$0201a8c0@Family> References: <46437327.9000101@fybush.com> <014a01c7935b$5b135890$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <4643AC82.9080005@fybush.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > oh - for your next appearance on Maine radio - please, please, please - > lose the flannel shirt? that might work up in Bill O's part of the > northeast Kingdom, but it is a bit out of season, what with it being > after Patriots' Day. thanks Was the moosehead mounted on the wall behind me too much? (Actually - funny story...one of our cordless phones was cutting in and out, and the other one had a dead battery, so I ended up doing the interview on the last remaining wired phone in the house - the old rotary-dial set down in the basement! I offered to go over to WXXI and do it over ISDN, but there wasn't time...) s From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri May 11 12:12:36 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:12:36 -0400 Subject: Additional IBOC Hash Experienced Message-ID: <464495F4.6070502@friedbagels.com> >>"WRKO-1360" also appears on my car radio at my home a bit less than 3 >>miles from their transmitter. I've gotten "WEEI 1700" at various places all over Boston and Southie on my old car radio, a Blaupunkt Casablanca CD-51. Kind of a bummer, it's a fabulous FM radio, but not so great on AM. Although admittedly it picked up WEEI remarkably well almost to Bangor, ME driving up I-95 listening to a west-coast Sox game that ran quite a while after sunset. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From wollman@bimajority.org Sun May 13 11:57:10 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:57:10 -0400 Subject: Dennis Jackson Message-ID: <17991.13654.841203.644174@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Dennis Jackson, owner of several small FMs around the northeast, was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident in southern Utah on Friday. He was airlifted to a hospital in Arizona where he is presently in intensive care. His wife has asked that people refrain from sending cards, flowers, etc., until he is safely out of the ICU. Jay "Biggie" Fink is acting as intermediary between the family and Dennis's large circle of friends in the broadcasting community, and has promised further updates on Dennis's condition as it improves. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 12:16:32 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:16:32 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Entercom's WEEI in Boston does pretty well with sports talk (they do occasional Red Sox games and will be the Celtics flagship next year). They expanded to some sister stations in Westerly RI (WEEI-FM 103.7), Worcester (WVEI 1440) and Easthampton MA (WVEI-FM 105.5). Their Jason Wolfe was quoted as saying he would also consider expanding into NH and ME IIRC (maybe VT, too?) If not buying a station outright, I wonder if WEEI could possibly syndicate its sports talk shows to certain stations. Take Burlington VT for example, which has WCAT 1390 running ESPN sports. Suppose Entercom worked a deal out to simulcast WEEI instead, at least part of the time. No Red Sox, as WJOY has had them for years (though who knows...) and I think the Zone has Fox Sports (which WEEI runs overnight) but you could have: morning drive Dennis and Callahan midday Dale and Holley pm drive The Big Show weeknights Planet Mikey Or they could take some shows and do ESPN for others (unless ESPN has some kind of deal where they're committed to running a full schedule, who knows). You'd have a more New England-based sports product. Anybody in NH? (Though I think WEEI's regular signal carries well into Manchester/Concord). Portland? Other areas? I'd think Jason Wolfe might be considering that... Entercom already syndicates Howie Carr on 3 other MA stations plus outlets in NH and Maine (and used to do VT as well) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon May 14 12:49:51 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <883135.36086.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > You'd have a more New England-based sports product. > Anybody in NH? (Though I think WEEI's regular signal carries well > into Manchester/Concord). WEEI's signal is not very stellar where I live in Nashua. It's passable, but get within 20 feet of a big-time power line, and forget about it. I've always thought that if WOKQ was willing to part with 103.7, which overlaps a decent bit with the main stick's coverage area IIRC, that would be a good simulcast partner for WEEI. 103.7's signal is gangbusters from Manchester on north, as I recall. ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From me@billoneill.us Mon May 14 12:51:01 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:51:01 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > You'd have a more New England-based sports product. > Anybody in NH? (Though I think WEEI's regular signal carries well into Manchester/Concord). Portland? > Other areas? I'd think Jason Wolfe might be considering that... > > It seems to make sense in theory. One thing I am catching onto here in Vermont (took me seven years to figure it out) is that while there are ardent Sox/Celts/Pats fans here, not all things-Boston translate here with equal vigor. That seems to be particularly true in the Champlain Valley which shares the lake with New York State. Is it the accent? ;-) Likewise, I wouldn't expect Mike & the Mad Dog (WFAN) to fly here that well, a decidedly NYC product (also heard on WROW 590 Albany, a rim-shot to parts of the area). Vermonters have become accustomed to national talk with very few exceptions. I'm not so sure that a southern New England point of view (inside 128) would leave for much syrup after the sap's done boiling. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon May 14 13:26:33 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:26:33 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <001301c7964d$08d6ede0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> You've seen those posters--kinda 3D maps, with Boston at the bottom center, 128 a little more than half way up, 495 about 80% of the way up, and California right near the top? That's obviously where Bob is coming from. But what do you expect from the Hub of the Universe? You mean there's another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > Bob Nelson wrote: > > You'd have a more New England-based sports product. > > Anybody in NH? (Though I think WEEI's regular signal carries well into Manchester/Concord). Portland? > > Other areas? I'd think Jason Wolfe might be considering that... > > > > > > It seems to make sense in theory. One thing I am catching onto here in > Vermont (took me seven years to figure it out) is that while there are > ardent Sox/Celts/Pats fans here, not all things-Boston translate here > with equal vigor. That seems to be particularly true in the Champlain > Valley which shares the lake with New York State. Is it the accent? ;-) > > Likewise, I wouldn't expect Mike & the Mad Dog (WFAN) to fly here that > well, a decidedly NYC product (also heard on WROW 590 Albany, a rim-shot > to parts of the area). > > Vermonters have become accustomed to national talk with very few > exceptions. I'm not so sure that a southern New England point of view > (inside 128) would leave for much syrup after the sap's done boiling. > > Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon May 14 13:43:08 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:43:08 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <001301c7964d$08d6ede0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> <001301c7964d$08d6ede0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46489FAC.5070804@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > You've seen those posters--kinda 3D maps, with Boston at the bottom center, > 128 a little more than half way up, 495 about 80% of the way up, and > California right near the top? Funny, that was precisely the mental image I had as I penned my response! And as for Burlington, first-time visitors flew into BTV. I drove them down Shelburne Road (Route 7 south) and suddenly Shelburne (wait for it) ENDED. Then, it's open fields that appear seemingly out of nowhere (occasional McMansions, etc.) and, yes, cows (occasional alpacas. Alpacas spit at visitors.) When Carr was still on WVMT (620 Burlington) I selfishly enjoyed the show because it was a touch of home. You just don't get many "Hi Howie-howaya-Howie-howyadoin-long-time-first-time-Howie." And that's just the "hello." It was evident that Howie had absolutely no clue that oblique Hub political references were lost on Vermonters' ears. Frankly, even local stations here don't regard local Vermont politics as a full-contact sport. Let's face it, Vermonters are all sleeping better today - the state legislature wrapped up for the year this past Friday. It's safe to move about now. I have an office here on Elm Street in Montpelier. On Friday you could see the pols in suits all walking up the hill to the final session ... and packing up the cars ready to head back over the mountain. Bill O'Neill From p_hopfgarten@comcast.net Mon May 14 13:46:45 2007 From: p_hopfgarten@comcast.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <883135.36086.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007901c7964f$d6ea71a0$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> WTPL 107.7 Hillsborough would be the logical choice for populated areas of NH (WBEI anyone) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sean Smyth Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:50 PM To: Bob Nelson; BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Bob Nelson wrote: > You'd have a more New England-based sports product. > Anybody in NH? (Though I think WEEI's regular signal carries well > into Manchester/Concord). WEEI's signal is not very stellar where I live in Nashua. It's passable, but get within 20 feet of a big-time power line, and forget about it. I've always thought that if WOKQ was willing to part with 103.7, which overlaps a decent bit with the main stick's coverage area IIRC, that would be a good simulcast partner for WEEI. 103.7's signal is gangbusters from Manchester on north, as I recall. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon May 14 15:17:36 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:17:36 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> <001301c7964d$08d6ede0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46489FAC.5070804@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <01a801c7965c$888fedc0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Howie would be sorely missed by a lot of people if his show were dropped here in Maine. He has a lot of listeners. Heck, if a station in Halifax or Moncton or Fredericton were to pick him up, I think he'd even show decent ratings over there. Mainers and Maritimers have lotsa Mass. connections. Not so true in Vermont. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > Dan Strassberg wrote: > > You've seen those posters--kinda 3D maps, with Boston at the bottom center, > > 128 a little more than half way up, 495 about 80% of the way up, and > > California right near the top? > > Funny, that was precisely the mental image I had as I penned my > response! And as for Burlington, first-time visitors flew into BTV. I > drove them down Shelburne Road (Route 7 south) and suddenly Shelburne > (wait for it) ENDED. Then, it's open fields that appear seemingly out > of nowhere (occasional McMansions, etc.) and, yes, cows (occasional > alpacas. Alpacas spit at visitors.) > > When Carr was still on WVMT (620 Burlington) I selfishly enjoyed the > show because it was a touch of home. You just don't get many "Hi > Howie-howaya-Howie-howyadoin-long-time-first-time-Howie." And that's > just the "hello." It was evident that Howie had absolutely no clue that > oblique Hub political references were lost on Vermonters' ears. > Frankly, even local stations here don't regard local Vermont politics as > a full-contact sport. > > Let's face it, Vermonters are all sleeping better today - the state > legislature wrapped up for the year this past Friday. It's safe to move > about now. I have an office here on Elm Street in Montpelier. On Friday > you could see the pols in suits all walking up the hill to the final > session ... and packing up the cars ready to head back over the mountain. > > Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 14:18:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:18:24 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514181824.38BEC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Interesting idea--then they'd have _another_ 103.7! (Here on the North Shore sometimes I pick up WEEI-FM on that freq, and sometimes WPKQ North Conway (//WOKQ) and sometimes even WKNE out of Keene... From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 14:26:39 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:26:39 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514182639.E82DC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>while there are ardent Sox/Celts/Pats fans here, not all things-Boston translate here with equal vigor. That seems to be particularly true in the Champlain Valley which shares the lake with New York State. True--again I'd think there would be more Boston fans than NY but there are some tourists from Gotham--and locals who originally were from NY, or who regularly vacation in the Burlington area). (Famous transplanted New Yorkers: Bernie Sanders, Ben Cohen & Jerry Greenfield of ice cream fame, and former Gov. Howard Dean) While Burlington (...Vermont!--yup am quite aware of the Mass. version, and I used to work in Burlington _MA_ at the Bldg 19) is New England it is also indeed very close to the NY "identity" (some bars/restaurants have "catch Yankees games here!" signs while others say "catch the Sox here") From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 14:32:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514183200.9B40149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> replying to Keith and Dan Dan: >>You mean there's another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that isn't on Rt 128... I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. of Vermont, and much more :) Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike and Mike! :) From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 14:35:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:35:21 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514183522.058BC49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> I understand fans of Howie's show in the Burlington area (Montreal, too) miss him; they've called in and also written on the Free Republic messageboard. VT Lt Gov Brian Dubie calls in once in awhile. And yes, probably a few residents of the Queen City could have cared less about Mayor Menino... A part time legislature? Wow! (Actually quite aware of it and I think NH has one, too) From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon May 14 14:38:23 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:38:23 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514183823.4C53B49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> And "The Pulse" carried Howie for quite awhile. You could picture them carrying WEEI talk shows, to be sure. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon May 14 15:57:11 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:57:11 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46489375.70009@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <17992.48919.445661.606428@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It seems to make sense in theory. One thing I am catching onto here in > Vermont (took me seven years to figure it out) is that while there are > ardent Sox/Celts/Pats fans here, not all things-Boston translate here > with equal vigor. Or indeed with any vigor at all. Some of this has undoubtedly changed in the past (ohmyghodisitrealythatlong?) 13 years, but when I was growing up, the TV sportscasts would give about equal coverage to Boston, New York, and Montreal teams. I don't recall any Boston teams on television. (This was back when the AFC was on NBC, and because our NBC station, WPTZ, was on the New York side, they carried the Jets. WCAX, then with the NFC rights, carried the Giants. Of course the only hockey on TV was HNIC, which would normally show a Habs game if there was one. I don't recall seeing baseball on TV more than once or twice, except for a couple of seasons when the CBC had Jays games on Friday nights.) -GAWollman (who will never be a Real Vermonter despite having lived there for the fifteen most formative years of his life) From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon May 14 17:43:24 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:43:24 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? References: <20070514183200.9B40149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <01c901c79670$e6bedc80$6401a8c0@pastor2> >>You mean there's another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128.>> Hey, there's a Burlington, Maine, too. More moose over there than cows, though. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > replying to Keith and Dan > > Dan: > >>You mean there's > another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, > right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like > Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. > > Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that > isn't on Rt 128... > I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved > to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more > than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. > of Vermont, and much more :) > > Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike and Mike! :) > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon May 14 18:14:53 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:14:53 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon May 14 18:43:04 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go Message-ID: <2876970.1179182584706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Donna Halper > To: "Sid Schweiger" , > > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:14:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > > I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop > Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a > short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie > Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there > years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, > which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else > go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when > you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P Former WGBH/WMBR jazz host Jack Woker (owner of Stereo Jack's Records in Cambridge) once told me that his Ginsburger record was "You Were Mine" by The Fireflies. EP From news@southstation.org Mon May 14 19:21:13 2007 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:21:13 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000f01c7967e$91353ee0$6f02a8c0@main> They also offered Chicken-In-A-Basket with a record underneath. Mine was Nat King Cole's "Ramblin' Rose". I did get another but it must have been an odd promo record, and I never kept it. -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:15 PM To: Sid Schweiger; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P From lglavin@mail.com Mon May 14 16:35:29 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:29 -0500 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Message-ID: <20070514203529.CEA3E478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: ssmyth@psualum.com, "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? >Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:46:45 -0400 >WTPL 107.7 Hillsborough would be the logical choice for populated areas of >NH (WBEI anyone) >Paul Hopfgarten >Derry NH At least one broadcaster thinks WTPL serves the Boston market...the syndicators of the Dennis Miller radio show: http://www.dennismillerradio.com/stationfinder?action=stateSearch&state=MA (If this URL doesn't work, just go to dennismillerradio.com and select station finder; a map of the US shows up, then click on 'MA'...yes 'MA' not 'NH') = Skillsoft e business Visit SkillSoft.com now and find corporate e-learning solutions. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=50c92db08570180ffa5eb9b37618338a From kc1ih@mac.com Mon May 14 20:34:17 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:34:17 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <01c901c79670$e6bedc80$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001801c79688$cb297940$0f141bac@core2k> There's also a Burlington, CT. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:43 PM To: Bob Nelson; Dan Strassberg; Bill O'Neill; BostonRadio Mailing List Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? >>You mean there's another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128.>> Hey, there's a Burlington, Maine, too. More moose over there than cows, though. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > replying to Keith and Dan > > Dan: > >>You mean there's > another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, > right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like > Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. > > Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that > isn't on Rt 128... > I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved > to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more > than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. > of Vermont, and much more :) > > Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike and Mike! :) > From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon May 14 22:27:17 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:27:17 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070514161632.858CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Yes. In Maine, J.J. Jeffrey's Big Jab Stations (95.5/1440/900) have a local morning show and run the Sports Fan Radio Network and Jim Rome the rest of the day. Plus the Sox and other teams. The Boston based shows would be more targeted towards Maine sports fans than the national shows. WSKW carries ESPN radio. Clear Channel has three stations that carry Fox Sports Radio. From lspin@comcast.net Mon May 14 22:57:27 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:27 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I was very young at the time, but I have a foggy memory of going to Adventure Car Hop... My aunt and cousins came to visit one day and decided to take my mother, sister and me to Adventure Car Hop to get some lunch and the free record. We piled into my aunt's station wagon and drove from The North End, way out to Saugus. When we got there, the car-hop-girl came to the car and took our orders. We asked what we were getting for our free record. She said that in order to get the free record, we had to yell, "Woo Woo Ginsburg!" So, we all yelled, "Woo Woo Ginsburg!" The car-hop-girl then said that we didn't order the right meal to get the free record. We were feeling a bit ripped-off at that moment, but wanted that free record. So, we ordered the right thing - a Ginsburger, I'd imagine. When the car-hop-girl returned, there was a 45 RPM record packaged with our order. My older sister and cousins quickly took the record from the order and were extremely disappointed with the record we had received. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the record was. But I do remember that we never went back to Adventure Car Hop. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:15 PM To: Sid Schweiger; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon May 14 23:05:27 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > My older sister and cousins quickly > took the record from > the order and were extremely disappointed with the > record we had received. > Unfortunately, I don't remember what the record was. > But I do remember that > we never went back to Adventure Car Hop. I remember that a LOT of stations would (try to) give away old crappy promo records that never made it to the "hitbound" chart. I remember a station I was at giving away "6-packs' of singles....5 of which were dog songs that never made it. ____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? 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Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM From dave@skywaves.net Mon May 14 23:22:01 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:22:01 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? References: <001801c79688$cb297940$0f141bac@core2k> Message-ID: <000801c796a0$34853f70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Actually, 30 states have Burlingtons, and 32 have places with Burlington somewhere in the name. And lest you think your home town is unique, it's harder than you might think to find a unique city name: - 16 states have Bostons, and 23 have Boston in the name. - Seven states have New Yorks, and ten have places with New York in the name - Two states have Chicagos, and ten have places with Chicago in the name - 31 states have Washingtons, and 42 have places with Washington in the name - Lincoln is even more popular - 35 exact matches and 42 with Lincoln in the name - there are three Los Angeles' and four Las Vegas' - there are six Worcesters and 22 Providences - there are 34 Springfields and 20 Albanys (Albanies?) - there are four Flushings, but no Plumbings - There are even two Intercourses (PA and AL) and two Mars' (WV and CA) There is only one War, in West Virginia, and there is only one Virgin, in - wait for it - Utah. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Doug Drown'" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > There's also a Burlington, CT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Doug Drown > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:43 PM > To: Bob Nelson; Dan Strassberg; Bill O'Neill; BostonRadio Mailing List > Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > >>>You mean there's > another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, > right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like > Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128.>> > > Hey, there's a Burlington, Maine, too. More moose over there than cows, > though. > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" > ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > > >> replying to Keith and Dan >> >> Dan: >> >>You mean there's >> another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, >> right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like >> Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. >> >> Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that >> isn't on Rt 128... >> I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved >> to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more >> than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. >> of Vermont, and much more :) >> >> Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike > and Mike! :) >> > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue May 15 01:14:20 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:14:20 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7079a18d5e655119d51d2c792cf6666c@charter.net> Heck, that was going on as recently as several years ago, when I was still working in commercial radio. When stations didn't have a lot of swag to give away at an appearance, they would bring along their "box of crap" (EVERY music station had one) which included cassettes, CD singles of chart stiffs and full length discs from artists with one minor hit on it. I never liked to hand that stuff out because most listeners would leave disappointed. To me it wasn't worth it to send a listener away from a remote unhappy. It usually meant losing them as a listener and/or the client losing them as a customer. Nowadays in the digital file-sharing era, labels don't like to give stations free product for giveaways anymore. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 14, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Donald A. wrote: > >> My older sister and cousins quickly >> took the record from >> the order and were extremely disappointed with the >> record we had received. >> Unfortunately, I don't remember what the record was. >> But I do remember that >> we never went back to Adventure Car Hop. > > I remember that a LOT of stations would (try to) give > away old crappy promo records that never made it to > the "hitbound" chart. > > I remember a station I was at giving away "6-packs' of > singles....5 of which were dog songs that never made > it. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 04:28:19 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:28:19 -0400 Subject: Is it just me - Ch 5 News in HD In-Reply-To: <013f01c7969f$30517640$6500a8c0@Office> References: <013f01c7969f$30517640$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <20070515082846.30F6F44C003@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:14 PM 5/14/2007, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: >Is it just me or is the video and audio of tonights 11pm Ch 5 news out of >sync? I agree-- I thought it looked weird too. A number of the on air crew looked overly made up, Natalie's facelift looked very obvious, you could tell which guys had a hair piece, etc etc. Ah the brave new world of HD! And yes, since it's their first day in a brand new studio, I wasn't surprised that there were glitches. From p_hopfgarten@comcast.net Tue May 15 06:30:59 2007 From: p_hopfgarten@comcast.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 06:30:59 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <000801c796a0$34853f70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <005701c796dc$212eb870$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> And there's only one Henniker (NH) as the locals are fond of telling us.. Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:22 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? Actually, 30 states have Burlingtons, and 32 have places with Burlington somewhere in the name. And lest you think your home town is unique, it's harder than you might think to find a unique city name: - 16 states have Bostons, and 23 have Boston in the name. - Seven states have New Yorks, and ten have places with New York in the name - Two states have Chicagos, and ten have places with Chicago in the name - 31 states have Washingtons, and 42 have places with Washington in the name - Lincoln is even more popular - 35 exact matches and 42 with Lincoln in the name - there are three Los Angeles' and four Las Vegas' - there are six Worcesters and 22 Providences - there are 34 Springfields and 20 Albanys (Albanies?) - there are four Flushings, but no Plumbings - There are even two Intercourses (PA and AL) and two Mars' (WV and CA) There is only one War, in West Virginia, and there is only one Virgin, in - wait for it - Utah. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Doug Drown'" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > There's also a Burlington, CT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Doug Drown > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:43 PM > To: Bob Nelson; Dan Strassberg; Bill O'Neill; BostonRadio Mailing List > Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > >>>You mean there's > another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, > right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like > Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128.>> > > Hey, there's a Burlington, Maine, too. More moose over there than cows, > though. > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" > ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > > >> replying to Keith and Dan >> >> Dan: >> >>You mean there's >> another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, >> right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like >> Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. >> >> Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that >> isn't on Rt 128... >> I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved >> to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more >> than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. >> of Vermont, and much more :) >> >> Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike > and Mike! :) >> > > > From hykker@wildblue.net Tue May 15 07:20:51 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:20:51 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200> References: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <20070515112055.B799636CF44@mail.wildblue.net> Lou wrote: >We piled into my aunt's station wagon and drove from The North End, way out >to Saugus. When we got there, the car-hop-girl came to the car and took our >orders. We asked what we were getting for our free record. She said that >in order to get the free record, we had to yell, "Woo Woo Ginsburg!" So, we >all yelled, "Woo Woo Ginsburg!" > >The car-hop-girl then said that we didn't order the right meal to get the >free record. We were feeling a bit ripped-off at that moment, but wanted >that free record. So, we ordered the right thing - a Ginsburger, I'd >imagine. When the car-hop-girl returned, there was a 45 RPM record packaged >with our order. I only went there once as well, sometime around 1962-63. We had relatives living in Wilmington at the time, and I talked my uncle (probably made a complete pest of myself) into taking me to ACH. I was aware of WMEX at the time (enough to have heard ACH's catchy commercial), but living in the middle of Vermont, the station didn't come in well enough to listen very often, therefore I knew nothing about the Ginsburger (didn't ever know about it until I bought the 1961 "Cruisin'" LP in the early 70s) so no free record. I do recall the place being kind of a dump & food being very greasy. I was rather disappointed & never asked to go there again. Did ACH ever advertise anywhere other than WMEX? Don't recall hearing their ads on WBZ. Another fast food place of the same era was an Albany-area chain of burger stands called Carrols. Advertised quite heavily on WPTR in the mid-ish 60s. I could probably still sing 2/3 of their jingle today. There was one in Leominster that lasted into the 80s...pretty good burgers as I recall. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 15 08:13:53 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:13:53 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <7079a18d5e655119d51d2c792cf6666c@charter.net> References: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <7079a18d5e655119d51d2c792cf6666c@charter.net> Message-ID: <4649A401.8070702@cssinc.com> I remember at a young age (13-14) going with some group, most likely a school field trip, to WMEX 1510 back when it was on Broadway. The "dog" album that they gave me as a freebe was Nicky Hopkins "The Tin Man was a Dreamer". (1973) I still have it. Brian Vita David Tomm wrote: > Heck, that was going on as recently as several years ago, when I was > still working in commercial radio. When stations didn't have a lot of > swag to give away at an appearance, they would bring along their "box > of crap" (EVERY music station had one) which included cassettes, CD > singles of chart stiffs and full length discs from artists with one > minor hit on it. I never liked to hand that stuff out because most > listeners would leave disappointed. To me it wasn't worth it to send > a listener away from a remote unhappy. It usually meant losing them > as a listener and/or the client losing them as a customer. > > From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue May 15 09:01:02 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:01:02 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <000801c796a0$34853f70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <001801c79688$cb297940$0f141bac@core2k> <000801c796a0$34853f70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070515083628.02630890@BelloAssoc.com> And 19 states with a city or town named Rochester. There are 2 in Illinois ! One near Mount Carmel and the other just outside of Springfield. At 11:22 PM 5/14/2007, Dave Doherty wrote: >Actually, 30 states have Burlingtons, and 32 have places with >Burlington somewhere in the name. > >And lest you think your home town is unique, it's harder than you >might think to find a unique city name: > >- 16 states have Bostons, and 23 have Boston in the name. >- Seven states have New Yorks, and ten have places with New York in the name >- Two states have Chicagos, and ten have places with Chicago in the name >- 31 states have Washingtons, and 42 have places with Washington in the name >- Lincoln is even more popular - 35 exact matches and 42 with >Lincoln in the name >- there are three Los Angeles' and four Las Vegas' >- there are six Worcesters and 22 Providences >- there are 34 Springfields and 20 Albanys (Albanies?) >- there are four Flushings, but no Plumbings >- There are even two Intercourses (PA and AL) and two Mars' (WV and CA) > >There is only one War, in West Virginia, and there is only one >Virgin, in - wait for it - Utah. > >-Dave Doherty >Skywaves, Inc. >97 Webster Street >Worcester, MA 01603 >508-425-7176 > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" >To: "'Doug Drown'" ; "'Bob Nelson'" >; "'Dan Strassberg'" >; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; >"'BostonRadio Mailing List'" >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:34 PM >Subject: RE: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? > > >>There's also a Burlington, CT. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >>[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of >>Doug Drown >>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:43 PM >>To: Bob Nelson; Dan Strassberg; Bill O'Neill; BostonRadio Mailing List >>Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List >>Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? >> >>>>You mean there's >>another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, >>right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like >>Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128.>> >> >>Hey, there's a Burlington, Maine, too. More moose over there than cows, >>though. >>-Doug >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Bob Nelson" >>To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bill O'Neill" >>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> >>Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> >>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM >>Subject: Re: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? >> >> >>>replying to Keith and Dan >>> >>>Dan: >>> >>You mean there's >>>another Burlington in New England? And it's in Vermont??? You're kidding, >>>right? What does a place with all cows want with a nice place name like >>>Burlington? Burlington knows its place--and it's right on Route 128. >>> >>>Ha :) Well, I know I'm more than a bit familiar with the Burlington that >>>isn't on Rt 128... >>>I don't know if Burlington VT is necessarily all cows (they all moved >>>to Waterbury to make Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream) but there are more >>>than a few shops, restaurants, boat rides on the lake; the Univ. >>>of Vermont, and much more :) >>> >>>Keith: thanks for info about ESPN; noted that they do have to carry Mike >>and Mike! :) >> >> > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue May 15 09:05:41 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:05:41 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070515112055.B799636CF44@mail.wildblue.net> References: <20070514221519.CEAEE684C96@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <20070515112055.B799636CF44@mail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <4649B025.9070504@ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Another fast food place of the same era was an Albany-area chain of > burger stands called Carrols. Advertised quite heavily on WPTR in the > mid-ish 60s. I could probably still sing 2/3 of their jingle today. > There was one in Leominster that lasted into the 80s...pretty good > burgers as I recall. I remember the ads well. "Carrols Is The Place To Go!" There was one in Salem NH for a short length of time, IIRC. In the 60's, WKBW used to advertise Neba Roast Beef shops in the Buffalo area. Joey Reynolds used to do the spots live on his show. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue May 15 09:12:44 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 06:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <4649B025.9070504@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <779347.67315.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > Another fast food place of the same era was an Albany-area chain of > > > burger stands called Carrols. Advertised quite heavily on WPTR in > the > > mid-ish 60s. I could probably still sing 2/3 of their jingle > today. > > There was one in Leominster that lasted into the 80s...pretty good > > burgers as I recall. > > I remember the ads well. "Carrols Is The Place To Go!" > There was one in Salem NH for a short length of time, IIRC. A quick Google seems to indicate that Carrols is now the country's largest Burger King franchisee. So much for the local ad dollars. ____________________________________________________________________________________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Tue May 15 03:26:56 2007 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (U. R. Listeners) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 03:26:56 -0400 Subject: Boston HD TV Message-ID: Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up than WGBH analog? Just got an HD set this weekend....and it appears that the programming on Vh 2's HD channel is totally different than what I see on their main analog signal that I am used to watvhing... From wollman@bimajority.org Tue May 15 09:29:10 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:29:10 -0400 Subject: Boston HD TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17993.46502.287592.640277@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up than WGBH analog? You bet. So far as I can tell, WGBH runs the straight "PBS HD" feed on channel 19, along with the channel 2 analogue upconverted. One hopes that this will change when they move into their new studios. (My assumption all along has been that they did not get HD-capable equipment in the old master control because they were about to move anyway. But considering the sad state of the HD setup on their FM, now I'm not so sure.) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue May 15 09:52:28 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:52:28 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go References: <779347.67315.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c796f8$4d77c860$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In the mid-fifties, WROW (AM) in Albany ran a nightly program (from 11:15PM to midnight M-F) called "White Tower's Myoooosical Menu" with host George Leighton. The music was a blend of what would subsequently be called MOR and EZ. I remember White Tower locations in downtown New York City, Albany, Troy, and here in Cambridge (Central Square). I think White Tower was ubiquitous in the US. I can't say whether stations outside of the Capital District ran locally produced versions of Musical Menu; I can say that I am unaware of ever having heard one, though. Some have told me that, notwithstanding what appeared to be a predelection for locations in run-down parts of urban downtowns, White Tower's burgers were good, the prices very reasonable (I think $.15 for a burger, $.05 for coffee--remember, that was more than 50 years ago), and the places were clean. I can't speak from experience; I never went inside one. I believe, however, that, somewhat like Burger King, Wendy's, and others, which emulate McDonalds, White Castle emulated White Tower (design of the stores, locations, prices). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "SteveOrdinetz" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > Roger Kirk wrote: > > SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > > Another fast food place of the same era was an Albany-area chain of > > > > > burger stands called Carrols. Advertised quite heavily on WPTR in > > the > > > mid-ish 60s. I could probably still sing 2/3 of their jingle > > today. > > > There was one in Leominster that lasted into the 80s...pretty good > > > burgers as I recall. > > > > I remember the ads well. "Carrols Is The Place To Go!" > > There was one in Salem NH for a short length of time, IIRC. > > A quick Google seems to indicate that Carrols is now the country's > largest Burger King franchisee. So much for the local ad dollars. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From kc1ih@mac.com Tue May 15 10:52:13 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: Boston HD TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:26 AM -0400 5/15/07, U. R. Listeners wrote: >Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up than WGBH analog? As far as I can tell, yes! They even have separate pledge breaks on HD-2 during pledge month (formerly pledge week!). -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Tue May 15 10:54:12 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:54:12 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <005701c796dc$212eb870$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <005701c796dc$212eb870$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: At 6:30 AM -0400 5/15/07, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >And there's only one Henniker (NH) as the locals are fond of telling us.. > The sign at the train station in Lynbrook, NY reads "Lynbrook, USA". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From songbook2@comcast.net Tue May 15 11:42:55 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:42:55 -0700 Subject: St-Johnsbury Vermont Message-ID: <4649D4FF.9050803@comcast.net> ...and, there is only ONE "St. Johnsbury" in America, and that's in Vermont's "Northeast Kingdom" (yup, that's what they call it up there.....a Kingdom). Of course, the legendary St. Johnsbury Trucking Company has moved to North Conway, NH leaving "Saint Jay" (that's also what they call it "up there" - geographically speaking) and changing their truck logo to an awful yellow and blue color scheme. I think that Don Mullally still does the morning show on the former WTWN, now WSTJ 1340AM co-hosting with his daughter Lynda. He's been there since the 1960's when I worked with him. Anyone have news about Don who was also the announcer for the Caledonia County Fair and a board member? Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue May 15 11:07:54 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston HD TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <576839.46506.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 3:26 AM -0400 5/15/07, U. R. Listeners wrote: > > >Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up than WGBH analog? > > As far as I can tell, yes! They even have separate pledge breaks on > HD-2 during pledge month (formerly pledge week!). I believe NHPTV also programs its HD and analog channels separately. ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue May 15 12:11:42 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:11:42 -0400 Subject: St-Johnsbury Vermont References: <4649D4FF.9050803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004001c7970b$bae2ab00$c49b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Butler To: ; Russ Butler Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: St-Johnsbury Vermont > ...and, there is only ONE "St. Johnsbury" in America, and that's in > Vermont's "Northeast Kingdom" (yup, that's what they call it up > there.....a Kingdom). > > Of course, the legendary St. Johnsbury Trucking Company has moved to > North Conway, NH leaving "Saint Jay" (that's also what they call it "up > there" - geographically speaking) and changing their truck logo to an > awful yellow and blue color scheme. > I thought St. Johnsbury (the trucking company) went belly-up several years ago. Is this new company being run by some group that bought up the old company's assets, or is it the old company trying to make a new start? Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue May 15 12:03:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:03:56 -0500 Subject: WGBH to run 90 sec newscasts on WBOS Message-ID: <20070515160402.D6AA949B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> How's this for a public radio/commercial radio partnership: Boston Radio Watch reports that WGBH, starting tomorrow, will run 90 second newscasts at :15 past the hour during the WBOS morning show. I guess the idea is that people who want music on WBOS also want a bit of news, and this will enable them to get it (condensed greatly, just the headlines) without daring to change the station to something like WBZ. Details at http://www.bostonradiowatch.com News on a music station...? Rare (THESE days...though maybe some morning shows like WROR has some news bits) From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue May 15 12:22:07 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston HD TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <305199.22756.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:13 Larry Weil wrote: > At 3:26 AM -0400 5/15/07, U. R. Listeners wrote: > > >Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up > than WGBH analog? > > As far as I can tell, yes! They even have separate > pledge breaks on > HD-2 during pledge month (formerly pledge week!). > Oh God please don't tell anyone at WMHT (Schenectady- Albany-Troy NY) about that! Its nice to have at least one PBS service I can watch here that is not a 24/7/365 begathon (which is what their analog/SD signal has pretty much become). Although, doing that would actually require them to purchase HD studio equipment, which I don't think they've done yet... Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From markwa1ion@aol.com Tue May 15 12:32:43 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:32:43 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go Message-ID: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> In the summer of '61 when I was 12 I heard an ad on Ginsburg's show for a "giant weather balloon" available at the Adventure Car Hop if you said "Woo Woo Ginsburg". I assumed this was going to be like the 8 ft. helium ones advertised in Popular Mechanics and Popular Science, of which I was an avid reader. So one Saturday afternoon I pestered my mother to take a ride over to Saugus (from home in Arlington). There was shopping to do nearby so it wouldn't be a total waste of time. Even at that young age, 6 years before I got a ham license, I had radios and antennas on the brain and the plan was to deploy the "giant" balloon to hoist a wire at least a hundred feet in the air over the house and neighboring Menotomy Rocks Park. Imagine my disappointment when the balloon turned out to be nothing better than typical kid's birthday party material, something which might have cost a nickel at Woolworth's at the time. Utterly useless to raise a wire one foot, much less a hundred. Despite all that, I did get a blast out of my first visit to Adventure Car Hop because of the connection to WMEX's night time star, not to mention the car hop girls and food that was at least adequate. I should add however that in Arlington and Belmont WCOP-1150 was king with the kids in '61. I'm sure the transmitter being in Lexington helped. After school, most transistor and table radios tuned in to Eddy-Eddy-Eddy Mitchell!, a true whacko who was zanier than Ginsburg and at least on par with similarly-crazed Chuck Stevens out of RI (550). Both Mitchell and Stevens joked about other stations' DJ's (e.g. "Carl DeSnooze") and interrupted records with sound effects and loony comedy clips (Spike Jones, Dickie Goodman, Stan Freberg, etc.). They slowed down ("killed") songs they thought were wimpy. "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll was a good example: a daft tragedy song where the boyfriend gets zapped by lightning just before the wedding day. Ginsburg (and WMEX in general) definitely did have popularity in Arlington, despite the less than commanding signal out of the old Quincy 5 kW set-up. And of course when all the kids went to Revere, Nahant, Wollaston, and Nantasket beaches during the summer they found that WMEX was the blaster and, by comparison, WCOP was a bit on the weak side. Speaking of "bogus" records being given away at Adventure Car Hop, I remember a similar thing about Eddy Mitchell of 'COP. In the summer of '61 he appeared in Belmont Center in a Karmann Ghia plastered with WCOP stickers. Kids mobbed the car as an assistant tossed 45 rpm singles out to be caught (or smash on the hot pavement, as a fair number did). Not one of the singles was a hit or even anything that anyone could recall as ever having been played on the radio. In other words, total dogs. They were passable frisbees I guess. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA dlh@donnahalper.com wrote > I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue May 15 13:37:06 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:05:27 "Donald A." wrote: > I remember that a LOT of stations would (try to) > give > away old crappy promo records that never made it to > the "hitbound" chart. > > I remember a station I was at giving away "6-packs' > of > singles....5 of which were dog songs that never made > it. Interesting enough, while a student at Herkimer County Community College and one of the music directors at WVHC (their college station), I found myself in the very position you describe here with all of the crappy promo records/CDs we got that we chose not to air. However, I went against the grain and refused to give them away because of a conversation I had with a former music director at the local CHR station there (WRCK 107.3 Utica before it flipped to Classic Rock). He told me that by giving that stuff away, you would actually leave a bad impression in the listener's mind [these guys give away crap] and your station name would become associated with bad music. Although I took a lot of heat from others at WVHC that tried to make me give that stuff away (it really piled up in our library since I really didn't know what else to do with it and the only responses I got from everyone else there was to 'give it away'), I still do believe firmly in that principle. My guess is that most stations that did give-aways like that were generally small market. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue May 15 15:13:41 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:13:41 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go References: <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ce01c79725$294c0320$6401a8c0@pastor2> <> Howie Carr gives away crappy CDs on his show even today, and he's proud of it! And that's on "The Howie Carr WRKO Radio Network!" -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Donald A." ; Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: RE: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > > On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:05:27 "Donald A." > wrote: > > > I remember that a LOT of stations would (try to) > > give > > away old crappy promo records that never made it to > > the "hitbound" chart. > > > > I remember a station I was at giving away "6-packs' > > of > > singles....5 of which were dog songs that never made > > it. > > Interesting enough, while a student at Herkimer County > Community College and one of the music directors at > WVHC (their college station), I found myself in the > very position you describe here with all of the crappy > promo records/CDs we got that we chose not to air. > However, I went against the grain and refused to give > them away because of a conversation I had with a > former music director at the local CHR station there > (WRCK 107.3 Utica before it flipped to Classic Rock). > He told me that by giving that stuff away, you would > actually leave a bad impression in the listener's mind > [these guys give away crap] and your station name > would become associated with bad music. Although I > took a lot of heat from others at WVHC that tried to > make me give that stuff away (it really piled up in > our library since I really didn't know what else to do > with it and the only responses I got from everyone > else there was to 'give it away'), I still do believe > firmly in that principle. My guess is that most > stations that did give-aways like that were generally > small market. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 14:14:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:32 PM 5/15/2007, Mark C. wrote: >I should add however that in Arlington and Belmont WCOP-1150 was >king with the kids in '61. I'm sure the transmitter being in >Lexington helped. After school, most transistor and table radios >tuned in to Eddy-Eddy-Eddy Mitchell!, a true whacko who was zanier >than Ginsburg and at least on par with similarly-crazed Chuck >Stevens out of RI (550). Both Mitchell and Stevens joked about >other stations' DJ's (e.g. "Carl DeSnooze") and interrupted records >with sound effects and loony comedy clips (Spike Jones, Dickie >Goodman, Stan Freberg, etc.). I too used to listen to WCOP in its top-40 days (1956-7 is when I used to be a big fan); I even have some old WCOP surveys from back then. What's interesting was that even at a young age, before I knew I'd be going into radio, I could perceive that the station rotated the songs, and I knew how often certain songs would come up... they used really really tight rotations in the early days of top 40, given that there were few "oldies" to fall back on. There were a number of Boston and suburban stations that played around with top-40 in the 50s-- I believe there was WVDA, WILD did a little experiment with top-40, etc... I recall listening to Joe Smith, Wild Man Steve, and several others in addition to hearing Arnie on the old WBOS. The original "Night Train" theme had the lines "It's Arnie Ginsburg, on the Night Train show. At 1600, dee-doobie-doo-wah, on your radio." When Arnie went to WMEX, Mac Richmond was evidently too cheap to let him cut a new jingle, so he just chopped those last 2 lines oout. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 14:41:03 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:41:03 -0400 Subject: Gus Saunders RIP Message-ID: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Just got the news that Gus Saunders has passed away. Did any of you know him or work with him? I certainly remember him with Louise Morgan on the old Yankee Kitchen. From kc1ih@mac.com Tue May 15 14:13:50 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:13:50 -0400 Subject: Boston HD TV In-Reply-To: <576839.46506.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c7971c$d0524700$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Smyth [mailto:sean.smyth@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:08 AM > To: Larry Weil > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Boston HD TV > > Larry Weil wrote: > > At 3:26 AM -0400 5/15/07, U. R. Listeners wrote: > > > > >Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up than WGBH analog? > > > > As far as I can tell, yes! They even have separate pledge breaks on > > HD-2 during pledge month (formerly pledge week!). > > I believe NHPTV also programs its HD and analog channels separately. > I believe the question was about HD radio, not HDTV. I can see how, with this terminology, it's easy for someone to get confused. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue May 15 15:08:07 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gus Saunders RIP In-Reply-To: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <403789.7323.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Just got the news that Gus Saunders has passed away. Did any of you > know him or work with him? I certainly remember him with Louise > Morgan on the old Yankee Kitchen. And this comes on the heels of the televangelist Jerry Falwell's passing, too. ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue May 15 15:18:40 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:40 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop Message-ID: <003801c79725$de1a5400$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Can anyone confirm that the last line of the jingle, "An' ye'll nivver git outa yer carr," derived from the likelihood that you would contract ptomaine poisoning from the food and would die before your could return to your own driveway? I have heard stories about people who claimed to have become quite ill after eating there. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue May 15 15:26:32 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:26:32 -0500 Subject: XM suspends Opie and Anthony for 30 days Message-ID: <20070515192632.89E4149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> "XM Radio announced today that the company has suspended Gregg "Opie" Hughes and Anthony Cumia, hosts of "The Opie & Anthony Show" and ceased broadcast of the show for 30 days, effective immediately." http://xmradio.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_releases&item=1452 XM not taking this lightly. They pointed out that they do have some "explicit language" content on certain channels but won't tolerate this incident; comments made by a homeless person saying he wanted to rape the First Lady and Secy. of State have led to this action. From lglavin@mail.com Tue May 15 14:35:21 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:35:21 -0500 Subject: Boston HD TV Message-ID: <20070515183521.DEBB6478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthew Osborne" >To: "Larry Weil" , "Boston Radio" >Subject: Re: Boston HD TV >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:22:07 -0700 (PDT) >On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:13 Larry Weil >wrote: > At 3:26 AM -0400 5/15/07, U. R. Listeners wrote: > > >Does "WGBH-HD" have a totally different line-up > than WGBH analog? > > As far as I can tell, yes! They even have separate > pledge breaks on HD-2 during pledge month (formerly pledge week!). > >Oh God please don't tell anyone at WMHT (Schenectady- >Albany-Troy NY) about that! Its nice to have at least >one PBS service I can watch here that is not a >24/7/365 begathon (which is what their analog/SD >signal has pretty much become). > >Matt Osborne >Schenectady, NY 365? You must REALLY look forward to leap years when there's ONE begathon-free day. Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA( the only Methuen on Earth) = Glow Sticks - Wholesale - $0.04 Each High quality Glow Sticks at low wholesale prices. We are wholesale distributors of glow in the dark products. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=d7c141e619730a50f14ad9a2134f9964 From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Tue May 15 15:12:06 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:12:06 -0400 Subject: Gus Saunders RIP In-Reply-To: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <464A0606.4000804@tampabay.rr.com> Oh, that's very sad. We carried Gus on WCOP in the early 1970s. I forget which hotel he was broadcasting from, but I remember that he was a class act. I met him several times to engineer this show. His name was Augustus J Solemini (sp?) Whew, another flash fromt the past!! Jon, Brandon FL WMEX 1968-1970 WCOP AM/FM 1970-1975 WVMT 1975-1976 Blissfully wasting away in ITville since 1978 :-) Wishing I was looking at a BC Xmitter again!! Donna Halper wrote: > Just got the news that Gus Saunders has passed away. Did any of you > know him or work with him? I certainly remember him with Louise > Morgan on the old Yankee Kitchen. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 15:52:14 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:52:14 -0400 Subject: Gus Saunders RIP In-Reply-To: <403789.7323.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <403789.7323.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070515195241.2A7656844B9@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Sean wrote-- >And this comes on the heels of the televangelist Jerry Falwell's >passing, too. No offense to anyone on this list, but I feel worse about Gus. I didn't know Jerry, but some of the things he said about my religion didn't make me terribly happy. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 15:53:01 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:01 -0400 Subject: Gus Saunders RIP In-Reply-To: <464A0606.4000804@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20070515184130.E4DE044C3BB@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <464A0606.4000804@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070515195328.EF04E6847B5@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:12 PM 5/15/2007, Jon Maguire wrote: >Oh, that's very sad. We carried Gus on WCOP in the early 1970s. I >forget which hotel he was broadcasting from, but I remember that he >was a class act. I met him several times to engineer this show. His >name was Augustus J Solemini (sp?) Augusto Solimene, I believe. But I could be wrong. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue May 15 15:53:45 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:45 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop In-Reply-To: <003801c79725$de1a5400$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <003801c79725$de1a5400$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070515195412.63EAB6847B5@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:18 PM 5/15/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Can anyone confirm that the last line of the jingle, "An' ye'll nivver git >outa yer carr," derived from the likelihood that you would contract ptomaine >poisoning from the food and would die before your could return to your own >driveway? Oh I am sure it was the ultimate greasy spoon-- but when did that stop people from eating at a place? :-) From scott@fybush.com Tue May 15 16:12:44 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:12:44 -0400 Subject: Would syndicating WEEI in northern New England work? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070515083628.02630890@BelloAssoc.com> References: <001801c79688$cb297940$0f141bac@core2k> <000801c796a0$34853f70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070515083628.02630890@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <464A143C.10002@fybush.com> Ron Bello wrote: > > And 19 states with a city or town named Rochester. > There are 2 in Illinois ! One near Mount Carmel and the other just > outside of Springfield. Yeah, but only one TRUE one... (ducking)... s, who doesn't even actually live within Rochester city limits :-) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue May 15 16:37:58 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:37:58 -0400 Subject: BOS to add news from WGBH Message-ID: <464A1A26.90507@ttlc.net> R&R reports that AAA WBOS is scheduled to add news to its "All Music Mornings." Provider to be WGBH. From fox893@yahoo.com Tue May 15 17:46:44 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: St-Johnsbury Vermont In-Reply-To: <4649D4FF.9050803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <246183.79819.qm@web39111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Of course, the legendary St. Johnsbury Trucking > Company has moved to > North Conway, NH leaving "Saint Jay" (that's also > what they call it "up > there" - geographically speaking) and changing their > truck logo to an > awful yellow and blue color scheme. When did they move? Haven't seen their trucks around here(NoCo)... > I think that Don Mullally still does the morning > show on the former > WTWN, now WSTJ 1340AM co-hosting with his daughter > Lynda. He's been > there since the 1960's when I worked with him. My wife and I had the pleasure of staying at Vermont's Taj Mahal(it's what they call their comfort inn) a few months ago. There is, for that area, some pretty good radio. Like Magic 97-7, for example. Obviously automated on the weekends, but still very local(the Waitt Radio Network, maybe). A little further south(and on the NH side of the border) there are a couple stations who have the potential to be great, but definately need some work. Like the hit music station we were listening to who had a 25%/75% hit/stiff ration. +++++ Are you looking for a DJ for your bar/club, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web: http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox +++++ ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com ____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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From hykker@wildblue.net Tue May 15 21:12:49 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:12:49 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070516011254.00E4836D127@mail.wildblue.net> Matthew Osborne wrote: >I found myself in the >very position you describe here with all of the crappy >promo records/CDs we got that we chose not to air. >However, I went against the grain and refused to give >them away because of a conversation I had with a >former music director at the local CHR station there >(WRCK 107.3 Utica before it flipped to Classic Rock). >He told me that by giving that stuff away, you would >actually leave a bad impression in the listener's mind >[these guys give away crap] and your station name >would become associated with bad music. Or you could have fun with it..."and a chance to win 10 rotten records that we would have thrown out anyway". From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Tue May 15 21:16:43 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:16:43 -0400 Subject: Gus Saunders RIP Message-ID: <737C6C1D.2315F37A.0CE337EB@aol.com> <<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> So sorry to hear this. Gus was the consummate, old-school, professional announcer. One of the most classy, professional, loyal people in the business. And WHAT pipes! For many years my band played for all his annual Food & Fashion Shows (usually at the Copley Plaza Ballroom), and any food related events that he would have a hand in organizing. Boy did all the ladies love him. In the early fifties, I believe he was the president of the announcers' union and he hired my dad's band to play at their banquets. Ever since then, he would make sure that we would provide the music for any event he had a hand in. That's what I mean by LOYAL! We'll all miss him, on and off the air! -Sonny . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue May 15 21:42:29 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> <20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: > What's interesting was that even at a young age, before I knew I'd be > going into radio, I could perceive that the station rotated the songs, > and I knew how often certain songs would come up... they used really > really tight rotations in the early days of top 40, given that there > were few "oldies" to fall back on. A common practice at Portland stations in the 60's (WJAB, Westbrook comes to mind) was the name "Extra" to denote a song that had dropped off the Top 30, but was still playable for a little while longer before it finally went to sleep for a while before finally being resurrected as an Oldie. Kinda like the opposite of a Hitbound. When Sunny Joe White was at Kiss, they used to drop songs from airplay completely after they had their Top 30 run and kept them buried for just the right amount of time (usually a year or more) before bringing them back to a listener's "Oh Wow" welcome back. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue May 15 23:45:15 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gus Saunders RIP In-Reply-To: <20070515195241.2A7656844B9@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <225094.25222.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Sean wrote-- > > >And this comes on the heels of the televangelist Jerry Falwell's > >passing, too. > > No offense to anyone on this list, but I feel worse about Gus. I > didn't know Jerry, but some of the things he said about my religion > didn't make me terribly happy. FYI, I wasn't trying to raise parallels between Falwell's and Saunders' deaths besides the fact that both influenced broadcasting in their own way -- that's it. ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From joe@attorneyross.com Wed May 16 00:52:59 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:52:59 -0500 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <509930.3999.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <4597.94559.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464A47DB.27641.D6A893@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 May 2007 at 10:37, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Interesting enough, while a student at Herkimer County Community > College and one of the music directors at WVHC (their college > station), I found myself in the very position you describe here > with all of the crappy promo records/CDs we got that we chose not > to air. However, I went against the grain and refused to give them > away because of a conversation I had with a former music director > at the local CHR station there (WRCK 107.3 Utica before it flipped > to Classic Rock). He told me that by giving that stuff away, you > would actually leave a bad impression in the listener's mind [these > guys give away crap] and your station name would become associated > with bad music. Although I took a lot of heat from others at WVHC > that tried to make me give that stuff away (it really piled up in > our library since I really didn't know what else to do with it and > the only responses I got from everyone else there was to 'give it > away'), I still do believe firmly in that principle. My guess is > that most stations that did give-aways like that were generally > small market. Just because they never made it as hits doesn't mean they were all bad. I actually liked some of the giveaway records, even though I never heard them on the radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed May 16 00:52:58 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:52:58 -0500 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <20070515112055.B799636CF44@mail.wildblue.net> References: , <001101c7969c$c5b73010$6701a8c0@DAS8200>, <20070515112055.B799636CF44@mail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <464A47DA.15641.D6A6CE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 May 2007 at 7:20, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Did ACH ever advertise anywhere other than WMEX? Don't recall > hearing their ads on WBZ. I believe they sponsored Arnie GInsburg, first when he was on WBOS and then went with him when he went to WMEX. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed May 16 00:52:59 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:52:59 -0500 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <464A47DB.17754.D6A96E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 May 2007 at 12:32, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of "bogus" records being given away at Adventure Car Hop, I > remember a similar thing about Eddy Mitchell of 'COP. In the summer > of '61 he appeared in Belmont Center in a Karmann Ghia plastered with > WCOP stickers. Kids mobbed the car as an assistant tossed 45 rpm > singles out to be caught (or smash on the hot pavement, as a fair > number did). Not one of the singles was a hit or even anything that > anyone could recall as ever having been played on the radio. In other > words, total dogs. They were passable frisbees I guess. WCOP was king in Bedford in those days, until they dropped the Top 40 format. A couple of the DJs lived in Bedford, and they tended to get hired to do the school record hops. They gave records away, too, and usually junky records. The labels said on them that they were radio station promotion copies, not for sale, and they often were marked with a marker which side was supposed to be the hit side. Except none of them were. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brouder@juno.com Wed May 16 09:49:07 2007 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:49:07 GMT Subject: Johnny Williams RIP Message-ID: <20070516.065000.774.664258@webmail21.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://lists.BostonRadio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/attachments/20070516/b5b40d8e/attachment.ksh From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed May 16 09:58:24 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 06:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <464A47DB.27641.D6A893@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <957053.49862.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > On 15 May 2007 at 10:37, I wrote: > I found myself in the very position you > describe here > > with all of the crappy promo records/CDs we got > that we chose not > > to air. However, I went against the grain and > refused to give them > > away because of a conversation I had with a former > music director > > at the local CHR station there (WRCK 107.3 Utica > before it flipped > > to Classic Rock). To which, on Tue, 15 May 2007 23:52:59 "A. Joseph Ross" replied: > Just because they never made it as hits doesn't mean > they were all > bad. I actually liked some of the giveaway records, > even though I > never heard them on the radio. Well, in my case I will give you maybe 3 or 4 exceptions, but the vast majority of the stuff I used to receive was just plain awful (remember this was a college station after all). Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From gallen2@nescaum.org Tue May 15 17:21:38 2007 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:21:38 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go Message-ID: I have some old [early 60's?] Arnie G. air check tapes still in my archives [the acetate seems to age surprisingly gracefully]. I'll bet the jingle is in there somewhere. I can mp3 the jingle and stick it on the web if there's any interest... Fast forward to the mid-70's. I had the opportunity as a young adult to see a somewhat older Arnie in action while working the board during one of the WBZ "Grease Weekend" events. -- George, who grew up on Bruce Bradley and WooWoo, and yes I still have "beep beep", but never went to Adventure Car Hop -- too far from the western 'burbs. __________________________________ From: Donna Halper To: "Sid Schweiger" , Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:14:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go I had asked if any of you recalled the Adventure Car Hop Jingle, and some of you did. SO, since I am working on a short article about Adventure Car Home and about Arnie Ginsburg, that reminds me: Sid wrote that he went there years ago and "...still have "Beep Beep" by the Playmates, which was the "plate" for my Ginsburger. Did anyone else go there, and if so, do you recall what record you got when you ordered the Ginsburger? :-P ___________________________ George Allen, NESCAUM 101 Merrimac Street - 10th floor Boston, MA 02114 Tel. 617-259-2035 [direct] www.nescaum.org From hishaun@hotmail.com Tue May 15 20:07:18 2007 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:07:18 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Shake Sherry" by the Contours (they were out of "The End of the World" by Skeeter Davis). The burger was nothing special and struck me as overpriced. Even worse, there were no car hops working that night. I thought the record selections were pretty dull. To be honest, I was more into Rhythm and Blues than the anemic teen idol pop of the time. I'd've preferred a Jimmy Byrdburger. Shaun _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them?with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 16 13:08:41 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:08:41 -0500 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <20070516170842.AA83F1BF258@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> I noticed that any kind of local news seems to have disappeared from WCCM-AM 1490, Haverhill-Lawrence. Early in the day, they pick up Doug Stephan's "Good Day" show with news at the top-of-the-hour from the USA Radio network, but no local cutins going from one to the other. Mid-mornings they run program-length commercials that at least are real call-in shows, but nonetheless sponsored by area businesses... still no local news, not even at noon. Yet part of the station ID package includes the slogan "the hometown tradition continues". Some of you may be aware that one of the missing soldiers in Iraq is from Lawrence, MA, but on WCCM today, the only reference to him has come through a network feed. A certain ubiquitous radio scribe recently opined that local ownership would be the best way to provide local service to a small-market city, but here we have a radio station owned in part by a NEWSPAPER (but for how much longer?) with NO NEWS AT ALL! = Find a New Home in Austin Lisa Goldin is your expert realtor in the Austin area, Texas. Her well-diversified real estate knowledge will assist you in finding your next dream home or building your ideal home. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=05cc77ae85bb6449e8a72b5b1a98bc9f From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed May 16 13:35:58 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM In-Reply-To: <20070516170842.AA83F1BF258@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <181434.3986.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > local service to a small-market city, but here we have a radio > station > owned in part by a NEWSPAPER (but for how much longer?) with NO > NEWS AT ALL! Well, since the Rogers family did sell the Eagle-Tribune a few years back, there would be no more cross-ownership. I understand the deal did not include the radio station operations. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From bradfordwood@comcast.net Wed May 16 14:03:48 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:03:48 +0000 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <051620071803.9934.464B478400002DFD000026CE22068150930C050303@comcast.net> The deal DID include the radio stations, which are now co-owned by Community Newspaper Holding Co. out of Alabama. BW -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sean Smyth > Laurence Glavin wrote: > > local service to a small-market city, but here we have a radio > > station > > owned in part by a NEWSPAPER (but for how much longer?) with NO > > NEWS AT ALL! > > Well, since the Rogers family did sell the Eagle-Tribune a few years > back, there would be no more cross-ownership. I understand the deal did > not include the radio station operations. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed May 16 14:09:02 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM In-Reply-To: <051620071803.9934.464B478400002DFD000026CE22068150930C050303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <979127.17555.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > The deal DID include the radio stations, which are now co-owned by > Community Newspaper Holding Co. out of Alabama. I thought radio/newspaper cross ownership still was banned? Anyhow, CNHI is known as a company that does things on the cheap. So slicing out local news does not surprise me. ____________________________________________________________________________________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From bradfordwood@comcast.net Wed May 16 14:10:31 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:10:31 +0000 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <051620071810.14627.464B4917000590F40000392322068136130C050303@comcast.net> Larry, Larry, Larry - here you go again... There is more than just what you're talking about on WCCM - try to add a positive spin to your life once in a while. Bruce Arnold still hosts a local talk program in the late mornings, Lou Blasi still hosts a local talk program (Hotline) at Noon, and Ronnie Ford still hosts a local talk program (Ronnie Ford's Byline) at 2. While there is Client Spotlight programming mixed into the programming day, there is still local radio happening at WCCM. (Altho I will admit, that I do miss Marc Lemay in the mornings with The Open Mic and his smattering of news) but that's the breaks when it comes to the demise of local radio. People move on, positions don't get filled... And since you're from Methuen, and since you're such an "expert" in radio - why not apply for a job with Costa Eagle Broadcasting - I'm sure Pat Costa could at least use another sales person - because as we all know, without advertising there is no radio...and maybe you could take good ol' Doug's place in the AM Drive...heaven knows - we all need a little more Larry Glavin in our life! BW -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence Glavin" > I noticed that any kind of local news seems to have disappeared from > WCCM-AM 1490, Haverhill-Lawrence. Early in the day, they pick up Doug > Stephan's "Good Day" show with news at the top-of-the-hour from the > USA Radio network, but no local cutins going from one to the other. > Mid-mornings they run program-length commercials that at least are > real call-in shows, but nonetheless sponsored by area businesses... > still no local news, not even at noon. Yet part of the station ID > package includes the slogan "the hometown tradition continues". > Some of you may be aware that one of the missing soldiers in Iraq > is from Lawrence, MA, but on WCCM today, the only reference to him > has come through a network feed. A certain ubiquitous radio scribe > recently opined that local ownership would be the best way to provide > local service to a small-market city, but here we have a radio station > owned in part by a NEWSPAPER (but for how much longer?) with NO > NEWS AT ALL! > > = > Find a New Home in Austin > Lisa Goldin is your expert realtor in the Austin area, Texas. Her > well-diversified real estate knowledge will assist you in finding your next > dream home or building your ideal home. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=05cc77ae85bb6449e8a72b5b1a98 > bc9f > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed May 16 15:11:43 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:11:43 -0400 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM References: <20070516170842.AA83F1BF258@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <03aa01c797ee$0b3a01b0$6401a8c0@pastor2> My two cents' worth, as a broadcasting nonprofessional: That FCC rule about newspaper/radio/TV cross-ownership should be scrapped. It's meaningless, and personally I think it was a non-issue to begin with. Some newspapers were actively involved in the news operations of their co-owned stations; others were not. WGAN AM-FM-TV in Portland were owned by Guy Gannett for decades, but Gannett's three Portland newspapers were hardly ever mentioned on the air, and the broadcasting stations and newspapers were virtually entirely separate operations. It's ironic after the WGAN split-up, Harron Communications, the owners of rival TV station WMTW, struck up a deal with the Press Herald (now owned by the Blethen family of Washington state) to do joint news coverage. That sort of thing has happened in a lot of cities. I can see limiting the number of broadcasting stations that a newspaper can own in a given metro area so as not to create a media monopoly, but otherwise I don't see how it's a problem. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM > I noticed that any kind of local news seems to have disappeared from > WCCM-AM 1490, Haverhill-Lawrence. Early in the day, they pick up Doug > Stephan's "Good Day" show with news at the top-of-the-hour from the > USA Radio network, but no local cutins going from one to the other. > Mid-mornings they run program-length commercials that at least are > real call-in shows, but nonetheless sponsored by area businesses... > still no local news, not even at noon. Yet part of the station ID > package includes the slogan "the hometown tradition continues". > Some of you may be aware that one of the missing soldiers in Iraq > is from Lawrence, MA, but on WCCM today, the only reference to him > has come through a network feed. A certain ubiquitous radio scribe > recently opined that local ownership would be the best way to provide > local service to a small-market city, but here we have a radio station > owned in part by a NEWSPAPER (but for how much longer?) with NO > NEWS AT ALL! > > = > Find a New Home in Austin > Lisa Goldin is your expert realtor in the Austin area, Texas. Her well-diversified real estate knowledge will assist you in finding your next dream home or building your ideal home. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=05cc77ae85bb6449e8a72b5b1a98bc9f > > From bradfordwood@comcast.net Wed May 16 14:11:17 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:11:17 +0000 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <051620071811.10981.464B49450004399B00002AE522068150930C050303@comcast.net> CNHI is a minority owner (49%) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sean Smyth > bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > > The deal DID include the radio stations, which are now co-owned by > > Community Newspaper Holding Co. out of Alabama. > > I thought radio/newspaper cross ownership still was banned? > > Anyhow, CNHI is known as a company that does things on the cheap. So > slicing out local news does not surprise me. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 16 14:31:57 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:31:57 -0500 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <20070516183158.C452C1CE308@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: bradfordwood@comcast.net >To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM >Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:10:31 +0000 >Bruce Arnold still hosts a local talk program in the late mornings, That program usually invloves area business owners discussing rewal estate, travel, the items THEY'RE PROMOTING. >Lou Blasi still hosts a local talk program (Hotline) at Noon. Ooops...today (Wednesday) he had a big-business type from an international group discussing world oil prices. >Ronnie Ford still hosts a local talk program (Ronnie Ford's Byline) >at 2. While there is Client Spotlight programming mixed into the >programming day, there is still local radio happening at WCCM. >(Altho I will admit, that I do miss Marc Lemay in the mornings with >The Open Mic and his smattering of news) but that's the breaks when >it comes to the demise of local radio. People move on, positions >don't get filled... "Smattering of news"? That's the gravamen of the original post. Local radio should provide more than just a smattering of news especially with regard to local news that's in the national headlines. = From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 16 14:36:38 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:36:38 -0500 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <20070516183638.672CF1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: bradfordwood@comcast.net >To: ssmyth@psualum.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM >Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:11:17 +0000 >CNHI is a minority owner (49%) >-------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Sean Smyth > bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > > The deal DID include the radio stations, which are now co-owned by > > Community Newspaper Holding Co. out of Alabama. > > I thought radio/newspaper cross ownership still was banned? > Anyhow, CNHI is known as a company that does things on the cheap. > So > slicing out local news does not surprise me. > > Prediction: there will be a heat wave this summer leading to brownouts in Eastern Massachusetts; National Grid will ask customers to cut back their electrical usage (A/C's, fans, etc) and I will be thinking of a 1,000-watt transmitter on a hill in Haverhill that could be turned off and nobody would notice. = Sarbanes Oxley Compliance Software Finally, a complete SOX compliance solution that is user-friendly. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=0430f6710c4fcd0f461b7883b397f291 From wollman@bostonradio.org Wed May 16 18:28:14 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:28:14 -0400 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM In-Reply-To: <03aa01c797ee$0b3a01b0$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <20070516170842.AA83F1BF258@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <03aa01c797ee$0b3a01b0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <17995.34174.166579.669295@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > That FCC rule about newspaper/radio/TV cross-ownership should be > scrapped. It's all tied up in the Commission's never-ending ownership review and rulemaking. I don't think anyone believes it stands a chance in court, if the cross-ownership rule ever came to a test on the specific merits. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Wed May 16 20:55:05 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:55:05 -0400 Subject: Johnny Williams RIP In-Reply-To: <20070516.065000.774.664258@webmail21.lax.untd.com> References: <20070516.065000.774.664258@webmail21.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <464BA7E9.2070407@billoneill.us> brouder@juno.com wrote: > I hired Bill at WRKO Boston and he was a dear friend throughout the > ensuing years. My condolences to you on the loss of a friend. Bill O'Neill From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed May 16 23:54:56 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:54:56 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> <20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <9513d950366c00845830a559d45e3fc1@charter.net> That still happens today, except they're called "recurrents" instead of "extras." Songs drop off the chart, but they are still familiar to the audience. If the particular song has a low burn factor in research, it can linger around for awhile before being rested and returned as a gold title down the line. CHR radio still has tight rotations like they did back then, but stations hold onto their biggest hits much longer. It used to be that after 12 weeks or so songs got dropped off the charts, even the biggest hits, to make room for new music. Today if a song is a monster hit, stations will continue to play it, even for several months, until it's completely burned out. Moving these songs to "recurrent" status gets the most life out of those hits as possible. In AC radio, their huge hits can chart for a year or longer, and can hang around as recurrents for at least as long after that. I remember "Because You Loved Me" by Celine Dion was a recurrent at AC radio for a few YEARS after it's chart run had ended. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 15, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: >> > A common practice at Portland stations in the 60's (WJAB, Westbrook > comes to mind) was the name "Extra" to denote a song that had dropped > off the Top 30, but was still playable for a little while longer > before it finally went to sleep for a while before finally being > resurrected as an Oldie. Kinda like the opposite of a Hitbound. > > When Sunny Joe White was at Kiss, they used to drop songs from airplay > completely after they had their Top 30 run and kept them buried for > just the right amount of time (usually a year or more) before bringing > them back to a listener's "Oh Wow" welcome back. > From lglavin@mail.com Thu May 17 13:35:34 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:35:34 -0500 Subject: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM Message-ID: <20070517173534.884CB102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Doug Drown" >Subject: Re: "Hometown Tradition" Does NOT Continue At WCCM >Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:28:14 Just a follow-up on this subject: Bruce Arnold was co-host of today's "Hotline" show, so I called in to discuss the lack of news coverage on WCCM. He admitted to the problem and made this cryptic comment: "there will be more about this subject in the near future; stay tuned." Will WCCM be sold; will there be a more significant partnership between the Eagle-Tribune and WCCM. No hint given. = Casino Style Slot Machine $699 square top, and $899 round top video pokers and game kings. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=92e865e9d775dee3bb962927f6620998 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri May 18 00:54:06 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:54:06 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <9513d950366c00845830a559d45e3fc1@charter.net> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> <20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> <9513d950366c00845830a559d45e3fc1@charter.net> Message-ID: <464D316E.3090800@ttlc.net> Dave, True, but in the 60's, announcers actually referred to them as "extras" on air. It was not an inside-only term. Roger David Tomm wrote: > That still happens today, except they're called "recurrents" instead of > "extras." Songs drop off the chart, but they are still familiar to the > audience. > > On May 15, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: >>> >> A common practice at Portland stations in the 60's (WJAB, Westbrook >> comes to mind) was the name "Extra" to denote a song that had dropped >> off the Top 30, but was still playable for a little while longer >> before it finally went to sleep for a while before finally being >> resurrected as an Oldie. Kinda like the opposite of a Hitbound. >> >> When Sunny Joe White was at Kiss, they used to drop songs from airplay >> completely after they had their Top 30 run and kept them buried for >> just the right amount of time (usually a year or more) before bringing >> them back to a listener's "Oh Wow" welcome back. >> > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri May 18 09:09:52 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:09:52 -0400 Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com><20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com><464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> <9513d950366c00845830a559d45e3fc1@charter.net> Message-ID: <002c01c7994d$d32e31e0$f29b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tomm To: Roger Kirk Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go > Today if a song is > a monster hit, stations will continue to play it, even for several > months, until it's completely burned out. Moving these songs to > "recurrent" status gets the most life out of those hits as possible. In > AC radio, their huge hits can chart for a year or longer, and can hang > around as recurrents for at least as long after that. I remember > "Because You Loved Me" by Celine Dion was a recurrent at AC radio for > a few YEARS after it's chart run had ended. > Natasha Bedingfield's "Unwritten" is doing the same thing today .. released in 2005, still a major presence at AC radio two years later. I remember reading a story on a British media website in which Bedingfield expressed her frustration with American radio: She'd already had three or four singles after "Unwritten" that had become big hits in England and much of Europe, but her label had been unsuccessful in getting America's radio playlist consultants to let go of "Unwritten" and nobody wanted to put two songs by the same artist in the rotation. Howard From hykker@wildblue.net Fri May 18 10:28:39 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Chart life (was: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go) In-Reply-To: <002c01c7994d$d32e31e0$f29b4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <8C96525CC0AFCB6-161C-17EF@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com><20070515181452.458C9CD7F@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com><464A6185.8020303@ttlc.net> <9513d950366c00845830a559d45e3fc1@charter.net> <002c01c7994d$d32e31e0$f29b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <30528.63.118.166.2.1179498519.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Howard Glazer wrote... > Natasha Bedingfield's "Unwritten" is doing the same thing today .. > released > in 2005, still a major presence at AC radio two years later. I remember > reading a story on a British media website in which Bedingfield expressed > her frustration with American radio: She'd already had three or four > singles > after "Unwritten" that had become big hits in England and much of Europe, > but her label had been unsuccessful in getting America's radio playlist > consultants to let go of "Unwritten" and nobody wanted to put two songs by > the same artist in the rotation. We have kind of gone from one extreme to another over the years haven't we? To think that "Hey Jude" only spent 8 weeks on WRKO's "Now 30" back in 1968. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri May 18 10:36:10 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adventure Car Hop is the Place to Go In-Reply-To: <002c01c7994d$d32e31e0$f29b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <193718.58784.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:54 PM, David Tomm wrote: > > > Today if a song is > > a monster hit, stations will continue to play it, > even for several > > months, until it's completely burned out. Moving > these songs to > > "recurrent" status gets the most life out of those > hits as possible. In > > AC radio, their huge hits can chart for a year or > longer, and can hang > > around as recurrents for at least as long after > that. To which Howard Glazer replied, on Fri, 18 May 2007 09:09:52 > Natasha Bedingfield's "Unwritten" is doing the same > thing today .. released > in 2005, still a major presence at AC radio two > years later. I remember > reading a story on a British media website in which > Bedingfield expressed > her frustration with American radio: She'd already > had three or four singles > after "Unwritten" that had become big hits in > England and much of Europe, > but her label had been unsuccessful in getting > America's radio playlist > consultants to let go of "Unwritten" I can't believe this, you guys are really bringing back some memories from my WVHC days (things I haven't even thought about for years now). This is actually something else that I addressed while there but didn't quite realize what I was doing. Out of pure instinct and thinking from the point of view of a radio listener, when I would insert songs into the library (playlist), although I kept the playlist relatively short (to build familiarity with the product, again something I did out of pure instinct without knowing what I was actually doing at the time), I would try to rotate songs thru the system (from new to current to recurrent) fairly quickly for a couple reasons. First, we had a big credo there of playing the new stuff before everyone else does, and of playing what other stations don't (They did not want us playing the top hits currently on CHR radio). I really took to the first part of that, and would put stuff on the air there as quickly as possible to beat everyone else. To still comply with the "we play what other's don't" part, I would then rotate quickly through those songs and onto new ones so that, in theory, once the big hits started hitting CHR radio, they were already recurrents with us and considered 'old news.' I thought this approach actually worked well for a period of time. Unfortunately though, about halfway through the school year the program director and I got into an all-out fight about various station related business (we had a major personality conflict right from the beginning which eventually doomed the two of us), and from that point on everything pretty much collapsed. In retrospect, I have mixed feelings about that experience, but man hearing some of these stories about music programming, rotation, and whatnot is bringing back some memories for me. To get back to the topic posted above, I have to agree with Natasha Bedingfield and her people on the topic. CHR and AC radio in the US holds onto stuff WAY too long, as far as I'm concerned song burnout should just not occur. At the first sign of burnout, in my ideal world, a song would be rotated out of the playlist for some new stuff. Unfortunately, in this day and age of corporate radio, they believe fully in the current approach and I don't see it changing quite likely ever... Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From lglavin@mail.com Sat May 19 12:52:07 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:52:07 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070519165207.7E2AF102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> A few times this past week, and again this morning (05/19), WNSH-AM 1570 has been transmitting a barely audible signal. It's not completely dead air, but to get any kind of program at all, it's necessary to turn up the volume... then you get a little WPEP-AM Taunton too (which means it still exists). = Is Your Car a Lemon? Get Free Help Free Lemon Help for AL, CO, FL, GA, IL, MI, MS, NV, NY, TN, TX, VA. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=66c24a287c8f02875e0afb593c51a17c From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat May 19 19:52:29 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:52:29 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070519235229.968D149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> When I drive home around 3 am, they've got a dead air signal here in Beverly. Right now (Sat. night) Antonio is doing his "Radio Minestrone" show and it's very soft with a loud buzz in background. >>but to get any kind of program at all, it's necessary to turn up the volume... Yes. I'm a mile away from them... From rgallison@yahoo.com Sat May 19 19:54:50 2007 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <865025.61025.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Interesting article about Maines only LPFM station. http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/lifestyle.aspx?articleid=150008&zoneid=14 Maine's only low-power radio station serves communities with local news, discussion and culture By Emily Burnham Saturday, May 19, 2007 - Bangor Daily News WRFR-LP, 93.3 FM, broadcasts out of Rockland, from a converted garage crammed full of cobbled-together broadcasting equipment and computers. The 100-watt transmitter sits perched on the roof, sending out a signal that usually fuzzes out somewhere in Camden. On a clear day, if you?re on a hill with a powerful antenna, you can pick it up in Northport. "It?s definitely local. Some people right in Rockland can?t even get it," said Joe Steinberger, who founded the station in 2002. "But my brother lives 20 miles away and has a special antenna, and he can get it. It depends on how good your radio is, and geography." But broadcasting power isn?t really the point, nor does WRFR have any interest in becoming some midcoast Maine media juggernaut: It?s Maine?s only low-power radio station, and its whole raison d?etre is to serve the communities of Rockland, Camden, Rockport and Thomaston with local news, discussion and culture. "Five years ago it was impossible to have a radio station like this one," said Steinberger, president of the Penobscot School for Language Learning, the nonprofit organization to which WRFR is licensed. "Big stations don?t want anyone near their frequency on the dial, interfering with their signal the lower end is for public and community radio, and the 100s are for big commercial stations." In 2001, the Federal Communications Commission created a new category for stations not limited to any part of the dial, that is restricted to 100 watts or smaller. At that time Steinberger was helping to broadcast city council meetings on public access television in Rockland, when he read about the FCC debating the issue of creating the low power category. "I heard from a lot of people who were watching the meetings, so I knew there was an interest in something local, with more programming with debates and discussions on local issues," he said. "I saw that the FCC was going to go through with [creating the low power category], and that they were dividing up the 50 states into five groups that they?d give licenses to. Maine was in the first group. Of course, by the time I found out about it I only had two weeks to get the application in. But we got it." WRFR went live on Valentine?s Day in 2002, after Steinberger and some of the other early volunteers raised $10,000 in startup money and put together a studio at its current location on Gay Street. One of those volunteers was Barry Pretzel, a Rockland attorney who before practicing law had a successful career in broadcast journalism. He worked at AM stations in Maine and Massachusetts before coming to Rockland in 1999. "After doing what I consider a complete career in commercial radio, I decided that I didn?t really want to continue doing what I had been doing all those years, which was covering serious news and playing the songs my boss told me I had to play," said Pretzel. "[Community radio] gives me an opportunity to share what I personally like with my audience. I can also be more creative." Since 2002, the station has expanded in several ways, including the addition of a repeater transmitter in Camden and the hiring of a full-time general manager, Emily Sapienza, who came on in 2006 after time spent working at the National Public Radio office in Rome. "The point is giving access to the community. It?s not mass media," said Sapienza. "One of the nice things about the station is that some people that have been marginalized get involved some people that are sort of outside society for whatever reason have had shows. It?s an outlet. It?s a real mix of backgrounds and lifestyles." "I wanted it to be something that could be embraced by the whole community, and not have it be a very left- or right-oriented thing," said Steinberger. "Not an elite thing. It is to be a medium for local discussion and talent. It?s not about being an alternative. It?s about being local." Since deregulation of radio occurred in the mid-1980s and entities such as Clear Channel subsequently bought up hundreds of stations across the country, local content on the radio has become a rare commodity. Despite it being difficult to obtain a low power license ? the FCC has not granted new licenses since 2005 ? the low power movements offers a unique opportunity for people to disperse information within their own communities. "When we have this tiny little radio station we can kind of ?microcast? rather than broadcast," said Pretzel. "We can focus on the Rockland area, and not really worry about the economics of these satellite delivered programs and talk show hosts. If someone wants to do a talk show and talk about what the school board is doing or what the city council is doing, it provides an opportunity to do that." Pretzel?s radio show is a testament to the eclecticism of the programming schedule at WRFR. "Pretzels and Beer" is on from 7 to 8 p.m. Tuesdays, and is dedicated to two things: beer and disco. "I thought that having a show about beer would be a lot of fun. I have news items about beer and the brewing industry, and I review new beers that come on the market," said Pretzel. "And I like disco, and that?s something that?s pretty much disappeared from the airwaves." Shows span the gamut from straight local talk like Chris Fyfe?s "The Pipeline" to Paul Cole?s "Beam Me Up," a show devoted to current science news and science fiction. Just this month WRFR started broadcasting taped recordings of classical music concerts in the Bay Chamber Concert Series, hosted by Chuck Marecic. Jesse McFadden hosts "Live From the Pit" from 8 to 11 p.m. Thursday, where he plays metal and hip-hop. Until recently, he was the volunteer music director for the station. "I basically tried to get balls rolling in the right court, as far as getting newer music instead of the older stuff," said McFadden. "A lot of younger folks don?t really tune in and listen. I?m 27, and I?ve been down the road of being younger and liking different stuff, so I?m trying to draw them in. We get a lot of new, interesting music that other stations don?t play. We?re also trying to get more local music in the studio." Zoe Armstrong plays hip-hop, electronic music and folk on "Patterns of Chaos" from 1 to 4 p.m. Wednesday. She also helps promote the station to the community, and works on fundraising events such as selling WRFR?s Local Stars CD, a compilation featuring a wide variety of midcoast area bands and musicians. "I love community and low-power radio because it maintains exposure to rare music and commentary, raises cultural awareness, facilitates community dialogue, and hey ? it?s pretty cool that high school students sometimes come to learn about radio production," she said. "[It?s] one of the last frontiers of free speech in this nation." Richard ____________________________________________________________________________________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From wollman@bimajority.org Sat May 19 19:59:05 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:59:05 -0400 Subject: Copyright and this mailing-list In-Reply-To: <865025.61025.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <865025.61025.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17999.36681.330697.935593@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Interesting article about Maines only LPFM station. > http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/lifestyle.aspx?articleid=150008&zoneid=14 The rules of this mailing-list are that you post in your own words. This is not a forum for violating other people's copyrights. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat May 19 22:12:19 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:12:19 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible In-Reply-To: <20070519235229.968D149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070519235229.968D149B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <464FAE83.5000104@cssinc.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > When I drive home around 3 am, they've got a dead air signal here in Beverly. Right now (Sat. night) > Antonio is doing his "Radio Minestrone" show and it's very soft with a loud buzz in background. > > >>> but to get any kind of program at all, it's necessary to turn up the volume... >>> > > Yes. > > I'm a mile away from them... > Its the new "undermodulation" feature. Saves wear and tear on the transmitter's tubes. Brian From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 20 00:21:20 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:21:20 -0400 Subject: Western Mass Progressive Talk Message-ID: <464F9480.31094.903CEE@joe.attorneyross.com> WHMP 1400 in Northampton has satellite stations in Greenfield, 1240, and Springfield, 1600. This evening, WHMP broke into Bobby Kennedy, Jr.'s "Ring of Fire" program to start the Red Sox game. I checked the Springfield frequency, and "Ring of Fire" was still going. I also noticed that WPNI in Amherst, 1430, is now relaying WUMB, but with their own legal ID, rather than being part of the WUMB mass IDs that they do. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 20 00:21:20 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:21:20 -0400 Subject: WRFR-LP In-Reply-To: <865025.61025.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <865025.61025.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464F9480.26743.903C9E@joe.attorneyross.com> I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything about how the station is paid for. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun May 20 18:39:46 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:39:46 -0400 Subject: Western Mass Progressive Talk In-Reply-To: <464F9480.31094.903CEE@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <464F9480.31094.903CEE@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: WHMP has been a longtime Sox affiliate. I'm surprised the affiliation wasn't pulled when the Sox signed on WVEI-FM, but I guess they figured Northampton was a "different market" than Springfield so it allowed 1400 to keep the games. I'm sure most people in and around NoHo listen to the games on 105.5 FM anyway. A similar situation exists in Connecticut, where WILI/ Willimantic (also on 1400 and a longtime affiliate) and WINY/Putnam still air the games despite WEEI-FM's big signal booming into their listening areas. I guess the PR hit of pulling the affiliations of some of these loyal AM affiliates just isn't worth it. Again, most area listeners probably tune into the games on FM anyway, especially at night. From what I understood, the WPNI simulcast with WUMB was supposed to be a temporary thing while ownership figured out what to do with the format after the WFCR bailout. It would seem that a WUMB simulcast would work in that area so maybe it will be in place for awhile. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 20, 2007, at 12:21 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > WHMP 1400 in Northampton has satellite stations in Greenfield, 1240, > and Springfield, 1600. This evening, WHMP broke into Bobby Kennedy, > Jr.'s "Ring of Fire" program to start the Red Sox game. I checked > the Springfield frequency, and "Ring of Fire" was still going. > > I also noticed that WPNI in Amherst, 1430, is now relaying WUMB, but > with their own legal ID, rather than being part of the WUMB mass IDs > that they do. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon May 21 14:52:07 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:52:07 -0400 Subject: Western Mass Progressive Talk Message-ID: > From: "David Tomm" > CC: Boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: "A. Joseph Ross" > Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:39:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: Western Mass Progressive Talk > > From what I understood, the WPNI simulcast with WUMB was > supposed to be a temporary thing while ownership figured > out what to do with the format after the WFCR bailout. It > would seem that a WUMB simulcast would work in that area > so maybe it will be in place for awhile. I read that the current owners of WPNI (Pamal) have put it up for sale. The WUMB simulcast is providing programming until a buyer comes forward and a sale is made. Programming decisions will then be up to whoever purchases the station. EP From lglavin@mail.com Mon May 21 14:30:06 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:30:06 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070521183006.6B8F9478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible >Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:52:29 -0500 >When I drive home around 3 am, they've got a dead air signal here >in Beverly. Right now (Sat. night) >Antonio is doing his "Radio Minestrone" show and it's very soft >with a loud buzz in background. >> but to get any kind of program at all, it's necessary to turn up >> the volume... >Yes. I'm a mile away from them... The time-frame to which I was referring was during the middle of the day; WNSH's nighttime signal is V-E-R-Y limited. The "radio silence" was in effect as late as noon today (05/21). = Midwest Feather & Down: Featherbeds Large selection - six different models of high-quality featherbeds at low discounted prices. Fast shipping. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3ed48e1d1d79927fc683decc4c954fdb From markwats@comcast.net Mon May 21 18:03:08 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:08 -0400 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show Message-ID: <003e01c79bf3$d1af18e0$a6d38018@Mark> WRKO announced this afternoon that it has cancelled this week's scheduled co-hosting appearance of former Don Imus show producer Bernard McGuirk on Tom Finneran's morning show. The station gave no reason for the cancellation. A brief article on the Boston Globe website mentions a 1997 "60 Minutes" interview that resurfaced over the weekend, don't know if that was a factor in WRKO's decision. Article can be found here: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/05/21/wrko_cancels_appearance_by_mcguirk/ Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon May 21 18:07:55 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:07:55 -0400 Subject: More Music And MemoriesOn WCAP Message-ID: <004201c79bf4$7caf3090$a6d38018@Mark> As of Sunday night (5/20), WCAP (980 Lowell) has added 3 more hours of "Music & Memories", 7 nights a week from 7 to 10 PM. As a result, on weekdays WCAP is only carrying the first hour of Michael Savage. The music is paused from 10 to Midnight for paid ethnic programming, then the music resumes at Midnight. Mark Watson From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 01:53:45 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:53:45 -0400 Subject: XM Radio Technical Glitches Message-ID: <000c01c79c35$95f59d50$670fa8c0@BrianVaio> Since late this morning XM has been having some issues with their satellite transmissions. On two of my radios I experienced frequent dropouts lasting from one to several seconds, at times activating the "no signal" indicator on the radio. On the third radio, a stationary unit at the office, I didn't notice the problems. My guess is a severely reduced signal strength. I attempted to call XM around 2PM and got an "all circuits were busy" intercept. A second call got through and dumped me into a 10 minute call hold until I bailed. I attempted a call around 8PM and, after 15 minutes, got through and received a confirmation. Around the same time a discrete one paragraph message appear, albeit well hidden, on the XM website. At 11:18 this evening XM sent out a bulk email with the following message: Service Degradation Alert You may be experiencing temporary degraded performance with your XM reception at the present time. XM is aware of the issue and working diligently to resolve it as soon as possible. We anticipate full signal strength will be restored by early Tuesday morning. While I can be sympathetic to an equipment failure, it would have been nice if they had acknowledged it earlier by either a notation on the website, a crawl on the radio display, an announcement during the various shows or, at least an announcement while you are waiting on hold. As an aside, I've been an XM customer since immediately after they went on the air. I've only heard a service failure once before. In that case something apparently went wrong with their feed to the uplink. Within seconds a "technical difficulties - please standby" message over a looped bed of Sting's "Desert Rose" was playing. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue May 22 05:26:00 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:00 +0000 Subject: XM Radio Technical Glitches In-Reply-To: <000c01c79c35$95f59d50$670fa8c0@BrianVaio> References: <000c01c79c35$95f59d50$670fa8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <4652B728.2070007@frontiernet.net> Brian Vita wrote: >Since late this morning XM has been having some issues with their satellite >transmissions....My guess is a severely reduced signal strength. > > Retribution by Opie & Anthony, perhaps? Bud Hippisley From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 09:15:16 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:15:16 -0400 Subject: Some XM Satellite Radio customers face outage Message-ID: <4652ECE4.8020205@cssinc.com> Here's a link to a Reuter's article on the situation: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN2136807020070522?feedType=RSS&rpc=22 From the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/21/AR2007052101515.html?hpid=sec-tech and some more: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32127/97/ They're using our own satellites against us! Brian PS A neat trick for aiming the antenna is at: http://www.xm411.com/sat2.php?zip=01960 After both Azimuth and Elevation have been set, tweak the alignment by using the signal strength (BER%) readout of the radio. For the PCR click the signal strength button. For the SKYFI and ROADY, with the radio off, press 2-0-7 followed by the 'XM' button or the tuning wheel. Then use the 'Display' button to cycle the display until you see BER %. Using the BER as a guide adjust the antenna for best signal. Best signal is indicated by a LOW BER. You are shooting for 0 on one of the satellite. Only one satellite is needed, but if you have a clear shot to both it is possible to get low or 0 readings on both. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue May 22 09:41:10 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:41:10 -0400 Subject: Some XM Satellite Radio customers face outage In-Reply-To: <4652ECE4.8020205@cssinc.com> References: <4652ECE4.8020205@cssinc.com> Message-ID: regarding XM Radio Sat problems, Brian wrote: (snip) > After both Azimuth and Elevation have been set, tweak the > alignment by > using the signal strength (BER%) readout of the radio. For the PCR > click > the signal strength button. For the SKYFI and ROADY, with the > radio off, > press 2-0-7 followed by the 'XM' button or the tuning wheel. Then > use > the 'Display' button to cycle the display until you see BER %. > Using the > BER as a guide adjust the antenna for best signal. Best signal is > indicated by a LOW BER. You are shooting for 0 on one of the > satellite. > Only one satellite is needed, but if you have a clear shot to both > it is > possible to get low or 0 readings on both. > not for nothing, but this seems to me to be similar to the old "move the rabbit ears until the tv picture cleared up" - a touch more work than should be required for something which does not come cheaply. granted - the technology is new and evolving, but for the premium price, it's more than you, as a consumer, should bear. have they offered any "credit" for inconvenience or the like? that would be an interesting thing to note if they do. good luck. oh - and over the air FM signals may do the same thing, but they're, um, free. :-) - - Chuck Igo From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 10:03:07 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:03:07 -0400 Subject: Some XM Satellite Radio customers face outage In-Reply-To: References: <4652ECE4.8020205@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4652F81B.1020801@cssinc.com> chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > > > have they offered any "credit" for inconvenience or the like? that > would be an interesting thing to note if they do. > > > Um, at $12.95/mo I think that I am currently owed $0.42. Interestingly, my office unit, which needs to be rebooted every 7 days or so (its on 24/7) or it starts dropping out doesn't exhibit the problem. I only have issues on the mobiles. (Factory radio on the Nissan, Pioneer on the Suzuki). Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 11:43:25 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:43:25 -0400 Subject: FW: Some XM Satellite Radio customers face outage - update Message-ID: <000601c79c87$effd2050$6800a8c0@lysthia> Here's the latest XM press release: XM Service Update As many of you know, XM customers have experienced service outages or significantly degraded service since Monday mid-morning, May 21. We quickly identified the problem and are working hard to return to our normal levels of service. The problem occurred during the loading of software to a critical component of our satellite broadcast system, which resulted in a loss of signal from one of our satellites. We expect normal service to resume midday today (eastern daylight time). XM apologizes for any inconvenience this has caused. For updates, please go to http://www.xmradio.com. In the meantime, you can enjoy many of our music channels on XM Radio Online (http://xmro.xmradio.com) if you are close to a computer. Again, we regret any inconvenience for not having your XM Radio service fully available. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 12:51:49 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:51:49 -0400 Subject: XM Radio Technical Glitches In-Reply-To: <4652B728.2070007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <002701c79c91$7de99700$6800a8c0@lysthia> > Brian Vita wrote: > > >Since late this morning XM has been having some issues with their > >satellite transmissions....My guess is a severely reduced signal > >strength. > > > > > Retribution by Opie & Anthony, perhaps? > I don't think any of their listeners (or all combined for that matter) have enough brain cells to pull this one off. Brian No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM From ewerme@comcast.net Tue May 22 13:28:29 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Some XM Satellite Radio customers face outage - update Message-ID: <20070522172829.3A94C5B494@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > Here's the latest XM press release: > > XM Service Update > > As many of you know, XM customers have experienced service outages or > significantly degraded service since Monday mid-morning, May 21. > > We quickly identified the problem and are working hard to return to our > normal levels of service. The problem occurred during the loading of > software to a critical component of our satellite broadcast system, which > resulted in a loss of signal from one of our satellites. We expect normal > service to resume midday today (eastern daylight time). Interesting. Why couldn't they just reload the old software? Why does the other satellite work? While there are dozens of good answers, one could readily start a rumor that they lost the whole bird. It could also be that they may have, but are desperately trying to recover before rumors reach the stock market. -Ric Werme but blame the rumor on someone else! From lglavin@mail.com Tue May 22 11:03:17 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:03:17 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070522150317.B1AA816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Laurence Glavin" >To: "Bob Nelson" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible As of this morning (Tuesday), the signal seems back to normal (if the Laura Ingraham show can be considered normal); I read previously that WNSH was moving its studio from Endicott College to the owner's property in South Hamilton... perhaps they have just finished establishing a studio-to- transmitter link. = Paperless Office Specialists United Image Technologies has a decade of experience in the document management industry. IBM iSeries and MS Windows platform designed for numerous industries. Free consultation. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=4e84eea7842c508727ba347165a70360 From lglavin@mail.com Tue May 22 11:07:15 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:07:15 -0500 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show Message-ID: <20070522150715.09CFA16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: "Boston Radio" >Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:08 -0400 >WRKO announced this afternoon that it has cancelled this week's >scheduled co-hosting appearance of former Don Imus show producer >Bernard McGuirk on Tom Finneran's morning show. The station gave no >reason for the cancellation. A brief article on the Boston Globe >website mentions a 1997 "60 Minutes" interview that resurfaced over >the weekend, don't know if that was a factor in WRKO's decision. This comment about McGuirk with reference to a "60 Minutes" interview of Imus has been in play ever since the Rutgers Ladies Basketball Team incidence occurred. It's hard to believe that WRKO "management" could have been unaware of the alleged comment. = From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue May 22 14:17:11 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:17:11 -0400 Subject: XM Radio Resumes Normal Levels of Service (from press release) Message-ID: <004e01c79c9d$6b1f7250$6800a8c0@lysthia> The latest XM press release XM Radio Resumes Normal Levels of Service XM Satellite Radio has resumed normal levels of service for customers who experienced outages or significantly degraded service starting yesterday. The problem occurred during the loading of software to a critical component of the satellite broadcast system, which resulted in a temporary loss of signal from one of the company?s satellites. After you turn on your XM radio, please allow five to ten minutes to reacquire the XM signal. XM apologizes for any inconvenience this has caused. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue May 22 20:20:24 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:20:24 -0400 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show In-Reply-To: <20070522150715.09CFA16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070522150715.09CFA16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Let me get this straight: WRKO has a convicted criminal as their morning show host but Bernard McGuirk can't be a guest host on the show? What a bizarre world we live in today. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue May 22 20:41:45 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:41:45 -0400 Subject: Likely candidate for Congress continues to host show on WGAN Message-ID: <4FA18D1020854776B4D673C17F04AE92@DanBillingsPC> On Sunday, Portland State Senator Ethan Strimling announced he is forming an explaratory committee to consider a campaign for Congress in Maine's First District. Strimling co-hosts a weekend talk show on WGAN. WGAN says that Strimling will continue to host the show until he becomes a candidate officially. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed May 23 10:08:36 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:08:36 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <8C96B5AFD85B0A8-1638-D37@WEBMAIL-DF15.sysops.aol.com> What happened to WNSH's plans for a substantial power increase ? Is that still on track ? I think it was 50 kW daytime and still relative peanut-power at night to protect the Montreal area station. Implicit in this scheme was taking WPEP Taunton dark. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible >Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:52:29 -0500 >When I drive home around 3 am, they've got a dead air signal here >in Beverly. Right now (Sat. night) >Antonio is doing his "Radio Minestrone" show and it's very soft >with a loud buzz in background. >> but to get any kind of program at all, it's necessary to turn up >> the volume... >Yes. I'm a mile away from them... The time-frame to which I was referring was during the middle of the day; WNSH's nighttime signal is V-E-R-Y limited. The "radio silence" was in effect as late as noon today (05/21). ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed May 23 11:36:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:36:46 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070523153646.DFE0D83BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I haven't heard how WNSH's planned power increase is going but they seem to be back to normal; just checked now (a mile away from them); Laura Ingraham is on and volume is fine. Also fine last night around 5 pm up in Peabody. The CP expires next April day pattern under CP: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WNSH&service=AM&status=C&hours=D A quick websearch turns up a newspaper article (Taunton Gazette) and a Scott Fybush NorthEast Radio Watch from around April 2005 saying that WPEP going dark would be a pre-requisite but the GM of WPEP was discounting the idea it would happen. (But the WPEP owner was said to be co-operating with the possible "dark" status...) Not sure how accurate it is, but radio-locator lists WPEP as being owned by Anastos Media but the address listed is Longmeadow Way in Hamilton; that would be where WNSH owner Keating Willcox has WNSH... From radio88@radio88.net Wed May 23 13:39:18 2007 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:39:18 -0400 Subject: Recommended Reading: "Something in the Air" Message-ID: I just finished reading "Something in the Air: Radio, Rock, and the Revolution That Shaped a Generation," by Marc Fisher (Random House, 2007). And I thought I was the only one who had a transistor radio under my pillow while listening to Jean Shepherd, or who joined my high school newspaper just to get into his student paper press conference. The book filled in many holes in my knowledge of the names and voices I've known for decades. My only criticism is that there was little about the development of all-news radio. (Though I resonated with Marc's description of "...velvet tones of Clarence Rock...on WINS," as he kept me company and up-to-date on home-town news late at night via sky-wave while studying at college in Boston.) This book is a great read! Thanks to my WCBS colleague Wayne Cabot for the recommendation. -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, E38-400 292 Main Street, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 23 12:33:51 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:33:51 -0500 Subject: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible Message-ID: <20070523163352.29BF416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: markwa1ion@aol.com >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WNSH-AM Sometimes Inaudible >Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:08:36 -0400 >What happened to WNSH's plans for a substantial power increase ? >Is that still on track ? >I think it was 50 kW daytime and still relative peanut-power at >night to protect the Montreal area station. >Implicit in this scheme was taking WPEP Taunton dark. >Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA Their most recent application was to reduce daytime power from 50 KD DA-D to 30KW non-directional. Undoubtedly that would require the disappearance of WPEP if it were to take effect. = Custom Clamshell Packaging Clamshells, trays, inserts, lids, specialties. Call us for effective packaging design. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=4300a290c7f444d21f16e5bb34894162 From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 23 12:37:43 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:37:43 -0500 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show Message-ID: <20070523163743.7FED316427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Billings" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Mark Watson" , "Boston Radio" >Subject: Re: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show >Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:20:24 -0400 >Let me get this straight: WRKO has a convicted criminal as their >morning show host but Bernard McGuirk can't be a guest host on the >show? >What a bizarre world we live in today. >-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine I ssume this means you don't think that convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy should have a nationally syndicated radio show. = Carlsbad CA Real Estate Listings Find your next dream home, condo, townhome, or real estate investment property here-Search for new homes for sale in the Carlsbad, CA area. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=bb8afb6fe006d03d7d6286eef69acc1b From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed May 23 20:58:26 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:58:26 -0400 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show In-Reply-To: <20070523163743.7FED316427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070523163743.7FED316427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: No. I mean I think it is bizarre that a felon can co-host the show but Bernie can't be a guest host. Who has done worse things: Finneran or McGuirk? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Mark Watson" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show I ssume this means you don't think that convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy should have a nationally syndicated radio show. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 24 01:19:35 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 00:19:35 -0500 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show In-Reply-To: References: <20070523163743.7FED316427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, Message-ID: <4654DA17.3803.25A321@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 May 2007 at 20:58, Dan Billings wrote: > Who has done worse things: Finneran or McGuirk? For hosting a radio program, perhaps the question is, who has said worse things on the air. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu May 24 03:20:55 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 02:20:55 -0500 Subject: WTKK PD Paula O'Connor leaving position Message-ID: <20070524072055.5DECB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Radio and Records and Boston Radio Watch are saying that Paula O'Connor, program director of WTKK since its debut as a talk station in 1999, is leaving her position. According to R&R, a spokeswoman for WTKK was quoted as saying that Greater Media was taking the station in a new direction and a new PD would be announced soon. O'Connor used to produce Jerry Williams and David Brudnoy's shows for WRKO. From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu May 24 19:51:14 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:51:14 -0400 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show In-Reply-To: <4654DA17.3803.25A321@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070523163743.7FED316427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, <4654DA17.3803.25A321@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0667B2DBF1604EB987A1FF13F79954AF@DanBillingsPC> If Bernie was being kept off the show because of a concern about what he might say then I might agree with you. But that is not why he was axed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show > For hosting a radio program, perhaps the question is, who has said > worse things on the air. From me@billoneill.us Thu May 24 19:54:05 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:54:05 -0400 Subject: Bernard McGuirk Will Not Appear On WRKO Morning Show In-Reply-To: References: <20070522150715.09CFA16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4656259D.9070001@billoneill.us> Dan Billings wrote: > Let me get this straight: WRKO has a convicted criminal as their > morning show host but Bernard McGuirk can't be a guest host on the show? > > What a bizarre world we live in today. > File under: Can't suck enough, You can't make this stuff up, and they folded up like a three dollar suitcase. Bill O'Neill From mike@miscon.net Thu May 24 08:06:44 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:06:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Augusto Solimene (aka Gus Saunders) Message-ID: <.65.96.232.123.1180008404.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> As reported on this list by Donna last week, Gus passed away on May 14th. A private service has already been held. He is survived by his wife Mary, three neices, and a nephew. It was requested that expressions of sympathy be made to The Jimmy Fund. www.jimmyfund.org/gif/gift.asp You can find the obituary notice in the Boston Herald, where it simply mentions him being a "Veteran Radio/ TV personality, and restaurant critic." The very same text appears in The Boston Globe notice. Also, Mat Schaffer did a nice little article on him in the Herald, and it can be found here: theedge.bostonherald.com/diningNews/view.bg?articleid=1002009 Thought you'd all like to know. Mike From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri May 25 20:23:55 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:23:55 -0400 Subject: Controversy over WGAN host makes local paper Message-ID: The Portland Press Herald today included a story on Ethan Strimling continuing to host shows on WGAN after announcing the formation of an explaratory campaign for Congress. The comments of his weekend co-host are interesting. http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=108101&ac=PHnws From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat May 26 17:59:36 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:59:36 +0000 Subject: "Big City 101.3" (New--?--STRONG Pirate) Message-ID: <4658ADC8.8050407@Gmail.com> Not sure if this is related to one I noted on this frequency a while back, but there is a new Boston pirate on 101.3, "Big City 101.3". It appears to be (English) Caribbean funk/rap. What's most notable is its strength: It appears at least half as strong as WFNX's (now defunct) translator on this frequency, so unless it is actually somewheres near Lynn or closer, it would seem to be the strongest Boston area pirate, yet (easily beating "WCFM"-102.9, "Choice FM"! ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From scott@fybush.com Sun May 27 20:33:52 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:33:52 -0400 Subject: (semi-OT) My DVR's misbehaving on me! Message-ID: <465A2370.4090608@fybush.com> For the most part, I absolutely love the Toshiba DVR/DVD recorder that I bought last year. The Fybushes went away for 9 days last week, and I didn't have to stock 3 VCRs with blank tape and double-check a dozen programs before we left. It's a wonderful invention. Buuuutt..... This Toshiba, or perhaps the TV Guide On-Screen software within it, seems to have a glitch when it comes to retaining a "regular" program for certain Fox prime-time shows. In particular, it seems to routinely lose its program for "24" every week...and it did it to me again while I was gone. (This happens to "House" frequently, too, but NEVER to any of the other non-Fox shows we record.) So, two questions: 1 - anyone else had a similar experience? And 2 - anyone out there in BRI-land happen to still have the two-hour "24" season finale on tape/DVD/DVR hard drive, and willing to share? s From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sun May 27 23:55:47 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:55:47 -0400 Subject: (semi-OT) My DVR's misbehaving on me! Message-ID: <380-2200751283554757@ix.netcom.com> ah, Scott, I've been fighting this thought all day, but just can't resist.... It sounds like the unit has only a 12 hour mode, no "24" hour mode sorry 'bout that, chief. Bob Sutherland > [Original Message] > From: Scott Fybush > To: Boston Radio > Date: 5/27/2007 8:33:52 PM > Subject: (semi-OT) My DVR's misbehaving on me! > > >...... In particular, it seems to routinely > lose its program for "24" every week...and it did it to me again while I > was gone. From scott@fybush.com Mon May 28 00:00:11 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:00:11 -0400 Subject: (semi-OT) My DVR's misbehaving on me! In-Reply-To: <380-2200751283554757@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200751283554757@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <465A53CB.9010007@fybush.com> Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > ah, Scott, I've been fighting this thought all day, but just can't > resist.... > It sounds like the unit has only a 12 hour mode, > no "24" hour mode > > sorry 'bout that, chief. **GROAN!** Thanks to Bob for the joke, to the several list members who've suggested I ditch the Toshiba and get a TiVo, and to one who still had the episode in question on his DVR and is sending a copy. Now I just need to find Lisa a copy of the "Criminal Minds" season finale, which didn't record thanks to my own failure to set the DVR properly, and I'll be all set... s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon May 28 10:18:38 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:18:38 -0400 Subject: WABC-TV (radio w/pictures) knocked off the air by in-studio fire Message-ID: <465AE4BE.6050107@cssinc.com> This morning I caught a news story on MSN that WABC-TV was knocked off the air last night just before the 11PM news by a studio fire.They returned to the air at 5AM. Details are below: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5345032 Here's the story from MSN: http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=263624&affid=100055& Brian Vita From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue May 29 13:56:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:56:00 -0500 Subject: Blazer will be new WTKK PD Message-ID: <20070529175600.6E4E683BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> All Access and Radio & Records are reporting that Grace Blazer is indeed becoming the new PD at WTKK. She will be "introduced to staffers this week". The R&R bit mentions her past achievements as well as some recent WTKK ratings. As far as I know, the station is sticking with an expanded Barnicle show in the morning in what had been Imus' slot. They run local programming from am drive up till 7 pm when syndicated shows take over. From markwats@comcast.net Tue May 29 16:23:15 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:23:15 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting Message-ID: <001c01c7a22f$311d87d0$a6d38018@Mark> All Access reports that Paul Allen's Rose City Radio Corp. has sold WWZN Boston and WSNR Newark NJ to Blackstrap Broadcasting LLC, headed by Peter Davidson. In the statement issued by davidson, he says that Blackstrap's mission is to "provide a welcoming home for immigrant communities on the public airwaves". Looks like they'll be one less all-sports signal in Boston soon. Mark Watson From scott@fybush.com Tue May 29 16:28:27 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:28:27 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <001c01c7a22f$311d87d0$a6d38018@Mark> References: <001c01c7a22f$311d87d0$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <465C8CEB.6070402@fybush.com> Mark Watson wrote: > All Access reports that Paul Allen's Rose City Radio Corp. has sold > WWZN Boston and WSNR Newark NJ to Blackstrap Broadcasting LLC, headed by > Peter Davidson. In the statement issued by davidson, he says that > Blackstrap's mission is to "provide a welcoming home for immigrant > communities on the public airwaves". > > Looks like they'll be one less all-sports signal in Boston soon. Davidson owns a string of mostly-Spanish signals, including the 990s in Southington CT and Providence. I'd expect more Spanish on 1510, which is probably the right use for that signal, considering where it goes. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue May 29 17:02:03 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:02:03 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting References: <001c01c7a22f$311d87d0$a6d38018@Mark> <465C8CEB.6070402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003d01c7a234$9ef1e300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Is 990 in Providence still dark? Didn't it go dark a few months back, after Davidson "discovered" that the transmitter was using inexplicably large amounts of power? One of the strangest explanations ever for taking a station dark! I've heard that the transmitter site is a real mess, but with six towers, it must occupy a fairly large parcel of real estate. That suggests that if anyone is stealing ac power, they must have devised a fairly sophisiticated (and expensive) scheme for doing it. The ac lines through which the power would have to be removed would need to be buried to keep them from attracting attention from, say, the station owner. Unless the transmitter building is at an edge of the property that abuts a public road, the underground cable runs would have to be fairly long. Constructing them would presumably have represented an engineering project of rather significant scope. Does anyone have any info on this mystery? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting > Mark Watson wrote: > > All Access reports that Paul Allen's Rose City Radio Corp. has sold > > WWZN Boston and WSNR Newark NJ to Blackstrap Broadcasting LLC, headed by > > Peter Davidson. In the statement issued by davidson, he says that > > Blackstrap's mission is to "provide a welcoming home for immigrant > > communities on the public airwaves". > > > > Looks like they'll be one less all-sports signal in Boston soon. > > Davidson owns a string of mostly-Spanish signals, including the 990s in > Southington CT and Providence. I'd expect more Spanish on 1510, which is > probably the right use for that signal, considering where it goes. > > s From me@billoneill.us Tue May 29 17:13:28 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:13:28 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <003d01c7a234$9ef1e300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001c01c7a22f$311d87d0$a6d38018@Mark> <465C8CEB.6070402@fybush.com> <003d01c7a234$9ef1e300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <465C9778.4030109@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > the underground cable runs would have to be fairly long. Constructing them > would presumably have represented an engineering project of rather > significant scope. Does anyone have any info on this mystery? > Puts a whole new spin on Edison Electric Illuminating. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed May 30 03:27:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:27:00 -0500 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting Message-ID: <20070530072700.5419D83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> What about any brokered time locally produced shows they're carrying-- and what about North Shore Spirit baseball (based in Lynn)? Where will they wind up (ESPN 890? Elsewhere?) Maybe just as well, as there's TOO much sports on the radio dial here (though some have enjoyed Sporting News Radio). They used to have Eddie Andleman but he fled to WTKK... From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 30 13:19:02 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:19:02 -0500 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting Message-ID: <20070530171902.AFE18102ED@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Mark Watson" , "Boston Radio" >Subject: Re: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting >Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:27:00 -0500 >What about any brokered time locally produced shows they're carrying-- >and what about North Shore Spirit baseball (based in Lynn)? Where >will they wind up (ESPN 890? Elsewhere?) >Maybe just as well, as there's TOO much sports on the radio dial here >(though some have enjoyed Sporting News Radio). They used to have >Eddie Andleman but he fled to WTKK... WGAM-AM 900 simulcasts some "Sporting News Radio" programming along with WWZN. When the latter goes "bye-bye", WGAM (Along with Manchester's WKBR) will have SNR all to itself, for all the good that would do. = Copper Weathervanes, Fast Shipping CoBraPro, Inc. has a unique copper weathervane for you. Enjoy visiting our site. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=c2efad415492578eefac3cbe673d6404 From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed May 30 14:50:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:50:46 -0500 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting Message-ID: <20070530185046.A4CB583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> WGAM and WKBR carry a mixture of Sporting News, Fox Sports Radio, Red Sox baseball, and even local sports talk (afternoons). I think WGIR may be the ESPN affiliate for the area (though if you're around Nashua you might be able to get ESPN on WLLH in Lowell...) From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed May 30 16:22:13 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:22:13 -0400 Subject: 990 Message-ID: <8C9710F5803974E-D2C-BE15@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> I think that WALE being listed as 50 kW days but putting out a signal inferior to all the Providence 5 kW's qualifies as "using inexplicably large amounts of power". 990 is weaker than 630, 790, & 920 in observations I have made from just about any conceivable bearing from Providence: Newport to the south, Montauk (NY) to southwest, Putnam (CT) to west, Worcester (MA) to northwest, Billerica (MA) to north, Rockport (MA) to northeast, West Yarmouth (MA) to east, and Horseneck Beach (MA) to southeast. The only bearings where it even gets close to the strength of the others (running a tenth the power!) would be east and southeast. A total shambles of a signal for 50 kW. In Newport I think WINS-1010 is actually stronger at something like 150 miles. They could be shooting the signal straight up. Skip around sunset before power-down can be hefty on outer Cape Cod at about 75 miles to the east. Quite a bit stronger than the groundwave. I can believe, as Dan says, that their transmitter site is a real mess. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Is 990 in Providence still dark? Didn't it go dark a few months back, after Davidson "discovered" that the transmitter was using inexplicably large amounts of power? One of the strangest explanations ever for taking a station dark! I've heard that the transmitter site is a real mess, but with six towers, it must occupy a fairly large parcel of real estate. That suggests that if anyone is stealing ac power, they must have devised a fairly sophisiticated (and expensive) scheme for doing it. The ac lines through which the power would have to be removed would need to be buried to keep them from attracting attention from, say, the station owner. Unless the transmitter building is at an edge of the property that abuts a public road, the underground cable runs would have to be fairly long. Constructing them would presumably have represented an engineering project of rather significant scope. Does anyone have any info on this mystery? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed May 30 17:15:39 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <20070530185046.A4CB583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <521495.73959.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Bob Nelson wrote: > I think WGIR may be the ESPN affiliate for the area > WGIR AM 610 in Manchester has Fox Sports part of the weekend. WTPL 107.7 Henniker/Concord is the nearest ESPN affiliate. John B Derry NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed May 30 17:47:47 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:47:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 990 Message-ID: <8265672.2281391180561667698.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> When 990 first went on the air back in the '60s as WLKW, I lived in the Gardner-Fitchburg area and tried like the dickens to get the signal on my homongous old circa-1939 Zenith floor console radio. That baby would pick up ANYTHING --- I could get WABC, WNBC, WOR, WCBS, and WNEW all day long, as clearly as though their towers were almost next door. But, try as I did, I never could pick up WLKW at all, despite its being only about 65 miles away --- 50,000 watts or no 50,000 watts. Seems I recall it being touted as Providence's most powerful station. All things are relative. . . From: markwa1ion@aol.com Date: 2007/05/30 Wed PM 03:22:13 CDT To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: 990 I think that WALE being listed as 50 kW days but putting out a signal inferior to all the Providence 5 kW's qualifies as "using inexplicably large amounts of power". 990 is weaker than 630, 790, & 920 in observations I have made from just about any conceivable bearing from Providence: Newport to the south, Montauk (NY) to southwest, Putnam (CT) to west, Worcester (MA) to northwest, Billerica (MA) to north, Rockport (MA) to northeast, West Yarmouth (MA) to east, and Horseneck Beach (MA) to southeast. The only bearings where it even gets close to the strength of the others (running a tenth the power!) would be east and southeast. A total shambles of a signal for 50 kW. In Newport I think WINS-1010 is actually stronger at something like 150 miles. They could be shooting the signal straight up. Skip around sunset before power-down can be hefty on outer Cape Cod at about 75 miles to the east. Quite a bit stronger than the groundwave. I can believe, as Dan says, that their transmitter site is a real mess. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Is 990 in Providence still dark? Didn't it go dark a few months back, after Davidson "discovered" that the transmitter was using inexplicably large amounts of power? One of the strangest explanations ever for taking a station dark! I've heard that the transmitter site is a real mess, but with six towers, it must occupy a fairly large parcel of real estate. That suggests that if anyone is stealing ac power, they must have devised a fairly sophisiticated (and expensive) scheme for doing it. The ac lines through which the power would have to be removed would need to be buried to keep them from attracting attention from, say, the station owner. Unless the transmitter building is at an edge of the property that abuts a public road, the underground cable runs would have to be fairly long. Constructing them would presumably have represented an engineering project of rather significant scope. Does anyone have any info on this mystery? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From paul@derrynh.net Wed May 30 18:09:46 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:09:46 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <20070530185046.A4CB583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c7a307$3cb175b0$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough "The Pulse") is the ESPN outlet for Southern NH. WGIR actually carries FSR even if WKBR is ALSO carrying FSR at the same time...mostly on weekends.. Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:51 PM To: Laurence Glavin; Mark Watson; Boston Radio Subject: Re: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting WGAM and WKBR carry a mixture of Sporting News, Fox Sports Radio, Red Sox baseball, and even local sports talk (afternoons). I think WGIR may be the ESPN affiliate for the area (though if you're around Nashua you might be able to get ESPN on WLLH in Lowell...) From paul@derrynh.net Wed May 30 18:13:16 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:13:16 -0400 Subject: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <521495.73959.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c7a307$b9e687a0$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> 99.1 is Henniker...107.7 is Hillsborough -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Bolduc Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:16 PM To: Bob Nelson; Laurence Glavin; Mark Watson; Boston Radio Subject: Re: WWZN Sold To Blackstrap Broadcasting --- Bob Nelson wrote: > I think WGIR may be the ESPN affiliate for the area > WGIR AM 610 in Manchester has Fox Sports part of the weekend. WTPL 107.7 Henniker/Concord is the nearest ESPN affiliate. John B Derry NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed May 30 18:15:42 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:15:42 -0400 Subject: 990 References: <8265672.2281391180561667698.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7a308$3c63fc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, it is and always has been highly directional (six towers since day one, although one tower was moved when they went to 5 kW nights). The six-tower patterns are teardrops aimed, IIRC, south-southeast. I am not surprised that you could pick up nothing in Fitchburg--I suspect that the day signal in that drection is equivalent to no more than a few tens of watts ND. Also, if 1000 in Leominster was already on the air, 990 would have been lost in the hash. Even 960 might have caused some reception problems. For that matter, so might WCAP--even if it was still running 1 kW ND. The question is, where does WALE have a good signal? I thought Fall River looked like a likely candidate, but 790 and 920 were a good deal louder than 990 in the informal listening test I ran one summer about 20 years ago. Now, 990 is quite a distance north of Providence (Burrillville), but I thought that 300 or more kW ERP would trump 20 or so miles, but no way. A good promotion for them might be Find the signal (and tell us where it is--because we seem to have lost it). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: 990 > When 990 first went on the air back in the '60s as WLKW, I lived in the Gardner-Fitchburg area and tried like the dickens to get the signal on my homongous old circa-1939 Zenith floor console radio. That baby would pick up ANYTHING --- I could get WABC, WNBC, WOR, WCBS, and WNEW all day long, as clearly as though their towers were almost next door. But, try as I did, I never could pick up WLKW at all, despite its being only about 65 miles away --- 50,000 watts or no 50,000 watts. Seems I recall it being touted as Providence's most powerful station. All things are relative. . . > > > > > > > > From: markwa1ion@aol.com > Date: 2007/05/30 Wed PM 03:22:13 CDT > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: 990 > > I think that WALE being listed as 50 kW days but putting out a signal > inferior to all the Providence 5 kW's qualifies as "using inexplicably > large amounts of power". > > 990 is weaker than 630, 790, & 920 in observations I have made from > just about any conceivable bearing from Providence: Newport to the > south, Montauk (NY) to southwest, Putnam (CT) to west, Worcester (MA) > to northwest, Billerica (MA) to north, Rockport (MA) to northeast, West > Yarmouth (MA) to east, and Horseneck Beach (MA) to southeast. The only > bearings where it even gets close to the strength of the others > (running a tenth the power!) would be east and southeast. > > A total shambles of a signal for 50 kW. In Newport I think WINS-1010 > is actually stronger at something like 150 miles. > > They could be shooting the signal straight up. Skip around sunset > before power-down can be hefty on outer Cape Cod at about 75 miles to > the east. Quite a bit stronger than the groundwave. I can believe, as > Dan says, that their transmitter site is a real mess. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > << > Is 990 in Providence still dark? Didn't it go dark a few months back, > after > Davidson "discovered" that the transmitter was using inexplicably large > amounts of power? One of the strangest explanations ever for taking a > station dark! I've heard that the transmitter site is a real mess, but > with > six towers, it must occupy a fairly large parcel of real estate. That > suggests that if anyone is stealing ac power, they must have devised a > fairly sophisiticated (and expensive) scheme for doing it. The ac lines > through which the power would have to be removed would need to be > buried to > keep them from attracting attention from, say, the station owner. > Unless the > transmitter building is at an edge of the property that abuts a public > road, > the underground cable runs would have to be fairly long. Constructing > them > would presumably have represented an engineering project of rather > significant scope. Does anyone have any info on this mystery? > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > From chris2526@comcast.net Wed May 30 21:08:48 2007 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:08:48 -0400 Subject: 990 Message-ID: <001a01c7a320$44e41df0$6358da18@Chicken159> About eight years ago I inspected the 990 studios located in what were the old WLKW AM and FM studios on North Main Street in Providence and the transmitter site in Burriville for a broadcast entity interested in buying the station at auction. Ended up telling them that unless the price is a real bargin FORGETABOUTIT. The studios were pretty much a waste product with little value. The transmitter site was a mess but not quite as bad as I expected. Two of the ATU's were in very bad condition, the other four were a bit of a surprise and were in pretty good shape. Some of the towers needed work and I remember the guy wires being badly rusted. Processing was a current Optimod and Remote Controls I think were Moseley MRC-1600 or 1620 At the time the Nautel had several modules missing and the transmitter was running at about 20 KW .....condition of RCA Ampliphase unknown. Current problem of transmitter sucking up power may be due to it being in such deplorable condition that the efficiency is way down. I remember there being major problems with tower lighting some of it AC wiring to the towers. One big problem was expensive unreliable telco audio STL from downtown Providence with little or no hope for an easy RF STL path. Years ago I was Al Tangers Director of Engineering at General Cinema Communications, he was one of the original owners who really developed WLKW AM and later the FM into the major Beautiful Music sucess story. He told me the story behind the 990 mess. It almost mirrors the WBZ situation when the transmitter was moved to Millis, the WJZ move to Boundbrook, NJ and the WOR move to Carteret, NJ. These were all situations that looked good in theory on paper but in reality did not perform as expected. The ground conductivity between Burriville and Providence turned out to be much worse than anyone thought, maybe no one thought of getting the OK from the FCC to do a low power test at 1 kw like what WMEX did before the Waltham 1510 site was developed. If anyone is interested in the WBZ Millis disaster, talk to Jim Robinson who retired from WNAC/WRKO in the late 90', he lives somewhere in the Hyannis area. While we worked in the WRKO engineering shop he always had wonderful engineering stories of working at WNAC AM-FM-TV back to the 40's until he retired. His father was the CE of Westinghouse WBZ who took the fall for the Millis fiasco. Donna Halper, If you have never talked to him, look him up.....he is a nice guy with lots of interesting stories to tell Chris Hall From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed May 30 21:54:10 2007 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 990 In-Reply-To: <000a01c7a308$3c63fc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <245811.6190.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It was said on the list... > But, > try as I did, I never could pick up WLKW at all, > despite its being only > about 65 miles away --- 50,000 watts or no 50,000 > watts. Thats because by design, you weren't supposzed to pick it up. ;-0 990AM in RI is highly directional. It reminds me of WUNR in Brookline. Growing up in the suburbs, I would always see WUNR listed in the Globe, etc....but I could never pick it up. Then Dan Strassberg wrote: > The question is, where does WALE have a good signal? A long time ago, I recall that 990AM put a pretty good signal over downtown Providence. I believe the main lobe of the signal extends from Burreville, RI Southeast over Providence and continues Southeast. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=&state=&zipcode=02859 The old days had WLKW 990AM recieving DX reports from Bermuda. If you look at the direction of Bermuda from RI, and imagine the Southeast signal, you can see how that just might be possible! http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=BM&addtohistory=&city= ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From chris2526@comcast.net Wed May 30 22:16:24 2007 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:16:24 -0400 Subject: correction Message-ID: <001101c7a32a$589e1ee0$6358da18@Chicken159> Digging out my notes of the inspection of 990, the RCA Ampliphase must have been long gone as the Nautel sits in it place, however there was an almost pristine RCA BTA-10-R or maybe U auxiliary which I coveted bigtime. The RCA BTA-5U was one of the first AM transmitters I ever worked on when I started in Florida in 1970. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed May 30 23:56:23 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:56:23 -0400 Subject: 990 In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a320$44e41df0$6358da18@Chicken159> References: <001a01c7a320$44e41df0$6358da18@Chicken159> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070530235503.0237ba18@BelloAssoc.com> At 09:08 PM 5/30/2007, chris2526 wrote: >If anyone is interested in the WBZ Millis disaster, talk to Jim Robinson who >retired from WNAC/WRKO in the late 90', he lives somewhere in the >Hyannis area. While we worked in the WRKO engineering shop he >always had wonderful engineering stories of working at WNAC AM-FM-TV >back to the 40's until he retired. >His father was the CE of Westinghouse WBZ who took the fall for the >Millis fiasco. Does anyone know what happened ? From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu May 31 07:42:43 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:42:43 -0400 Subject: 990 Message-ID: <8C9718FEF732D82-7AC-1CF@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: << The old days had WLKW 990AM receiving DX reports from Bermuda. If you look at the direction of Bermuda from RI, and imagine the Southeast signal, you can see how that just might be possible! >> A few points: Towards the south-southeast from Providence, V-Soft has WALE-990 at 78.3 dBu (8.20 mV/m). WHJJ-920 is 85.3 dBu (18.44 mV/m). Three other Providence stations (WPRO-630, WSKO-790, and WPMZ-1110) are also stronger than WALE. Somewhat farther east, on Martha's Vineyard (Chilmark, MA 02535), V-Soft has WALE (66.7 dBu) behind WPRO (68.4 dBu) and ahead of WHJJ (61.3 dBu). My recollection from listening there is that WALE was only about equal to WHJJ and definitely weaker than WINS-1010 NYC (which is 63.8 dBu per V-Soft). Daytime reception from Bermuda (700 miles) might seem like big thing, but an all-water route has surprisingly low loss. Bermuda's 1 kW on 1160 used to be readily copyable at West Dennis Beach before WSKW-ME, WOBM-NJ, and WVNJ-NJ all piled onto the channel sometime in the '80s. In the '70s National Radio Club member Charlie Taylor, using good equipment at a US military facility in Bermuda, had no trouble picking up the similar-distance Atlantic City, NJ and Norfolk, VA "graveyard" stations on frequencies such as 1400 and 1490. As most of you know, these things run 1 kW and, being high on the dial, are less effective for groundwave than similarly-powered stations on lower frequencies. I think that Charlie managed to hear just about ALL the Providence stations at midday, not just 990. From the Cape I can hear Turks & Caicos (530) at 1400 miles ... twice as far as Bermuda ... and WOKV-FL (690) at about 1200 miles. That just shows how far a daytime groundwave will travel over seawater. The ironic thing is that AM stations that come in fine on a boat 300 miles offshore can still be difficult to hear in a steel-frame building in the station's own city of license. As far as Doug Drown's notes from the Fitchburg area, WCMX-1000 Leominster was not on yet in 1966. WLKW-990 was already on air from some time earlier. On 1000 I used to get WHWB-VT and CKBW-NS duking it out in the daytime where I lived in Arlington, MA. Both of those stations have since gone silent. Other than possible WFGL-960 slop, you shouldn't have had much to bother 990. I'm a lot closer to WCAP-980 but can still get 990 (on my Drake R8A). WALE is there, weakish, but Montreal - from many more miles - is not much behind it. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu May 31 08:41:57 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:41:57 -0400 Subject: 990 Message-ID: <8C9719835E95CAA-7AC-3CB@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> << Towards the south-southeast from Providence, V-Soft has WALE-990 at 78.3 dBu (8.20 mV/m). WHJJ-920 is 85.3 dBu (18.44 mV/m). Three other Providence stations (WPRO-630, WSKO-790, and WPMZ-1110) are also stronger than WALE. >> These figures are for Newport, sorry I left that out of the earlier message. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From songbook2@comcast.net Thu May 31 10:15:50 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:15:50 -0700 Subject: WALE is Spanish Message-ID: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> According to www.radio-locator.com (search WALE), 990AM is now a Spanish language broadcaster but currently off the air. License granted July 9,1999 to Greenville, RI expires in 2014. Last FCC update was December 29, 2006. Owned by Cumbre Broadcasting. The 50Kw coverage pattern and xmtr site Northwest of Smithfield near Tarkin, RI (not Burrellville RI) coordinates are shown. The Google satellite map zooms in on the six tower array. The 2007 RI Media Guide has this listing (the WALE's web site supermax990am.com doesn't work if they are off the air, however). They own are two other stations in the market: Latina 100.3 (Middletown) and Festival Jazz 102.7 (Narragansett Pier): WALE Supermax 990 AM P.O. Box 6443 Providence, RI 02904 Located at 1185 North Main St. Supermax WKKB Inc. General Manager: Craig Rapoza Program Director: Dr. Manolo Pazos Telephone: (401) 521-0990 Fax: (401) 521-5077 Web site: www.supermax990am.com Email: manolopazos@aol.com Format: 24 hours in Spanish, Red Sox in Spanish, Targets Ages 34+, news, sports, traffic, weather Notes: Sister to WKKB-FM Latina 100.3 and WAKX FM 102.7 Maybe they are getting WALE's xmtr all fixed to fire it up? =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu May 31 11:24:35 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:24:35 -0500 Subject: sports scenario for 1200 and/or 1430? Message-ID: <20070531152438.702FF83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Interesting possibility: Clear Channel could dump Rumba from the stronger (when the signal improves) of their two AMs in town, WKOX 1200, and make it Sports 1200 with a blend of Fox Sports (syndicated by CC-allied Premiere, and would be pulled off WEEI overnights) and Sporting News Radio (once 1510 dumps it). Similar to WGAM Nashua NH and WKBR Manchester NH. They could even have a pm drive local sports show (just as 900 & 1250 do)... North Shore Spirit Baseball (which is currently on 1510) They can't get the Red Sox...or can they? Perhaps the Spanish language broadcasts (currently on 950) Sports said to be a big sell...may not have worked with 1510's anemic signal but maybe on 1200? Fox Sports would get a full time affiliate (or mostly FSR with some SNR thrown in) as opposed to just overnights. 1430 could do: more Spanish (though 1510 will be grabbing some of that audience)...? Syndie talk (Premiere talkers like Beck or Dr. Laura? Even prog. talk?) or maybe soul...? From wollman@bimajority.org Thu May 31 11:37:37 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:37:37 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> References: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <18014.60353.683604.952354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > According to www.radio-locator.com "for entertainment purposes only" > own are two other stations in the market: Latina 100.3 (Middletown) and > Festival Jazz 102.7 (Narragansett Pier): Not any more. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu May 31 12:42:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:42:38 -0500 Subject: sports scenario for 1200 and/or 1430? Message-ID: <20070531164238.2D97F478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >>How many SPORTS stations do we need, it seems like every small AM in NE is brokered sports. What a waste of a powerful signal! (That is if it ever gets it) True though keep in mind sports will be exiting 1510. Boston would have 850, 890 (and up in Lowell, 1400) and possibly 1200 OR 1430 at the most. It is said to be make some decent money often at low cost (I'm talking stations like 890 here, or the two NH stations, more than WEEI which has a bigger payroll)...with 2 or 3 sports signals in many major cities. As for smaller/medium sized markets, it's an easy way for AM stations to get a desireable demo with "computer in a closet" programming (see the two NH stations I mentioned...then there's WCAT up in Burlington VT, the sports signals along the coast of Maine; ESPN stations in Hartford and New Haven, etc.) The Hartford/New Haven stations are also running Yankees games. Some of these other sports-network stations are also running some major or minor league teams (900/1250 in southern N.H. have the Sox) = Irritable Bowel Syndrome Your New Health & Wellness Source Access To Answers, Info, Forums. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=0ca779713694afe064eb9eb7c22e4ec8 From tmw207@netzero.com Thu May 31 12:29:37 2007 From: tmw207@netzero.com (Terry Wood) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:29:37 -0400 Subject: sports scenario for 1200 and/or 1430? References: <20070531152438.702FF83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001101c7a3a0$e29e2ba0$793d9441@WoodFamilyComputer> How many SPORTS stations do we need, it seems like every small AM in NE is brokered sports. What a waste of a powerful signal! (That is if it ever gets it) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: sports scenario for 1200 and/or 1430? > Interesting possibility: Clear Channel could dump Rumba from the stronger > (when the signal improves) > of their two AMs in town, WKOX 1200, and make it Sports 1200 with a blend > of Fox Sports (syndicated > by CC-allied Premiere, and would be pulled off WEEI overnights) and > Sporting News Radio (once > 1510 dumps it). Similar to WGAM Nashua NH and WKBR Manchester NH. > > They could even have a pm drive local sports show (just as 900 & 1250 > do)... > North Shore Spirit Baseball (which is currently on 1510) > They can't get the Red Sox...or can they? Perhaps the Spanish language > broadcasts (currently on 950) > > Sports said to be a big sell...may not have worked with 1510's anemic > signal but maybe on 1200? > Fox Sports would get a full time affiliate (or mostly FSR with some SNR > thrown in) as opposed to > just overnights. > > 1430 could do: more Spanish (though 1510 will be grabbing some of that > audience)...? > Syndie talk (Premiere talkers like Beck or Dr. Laura? Even prog. talk?) or > maybe soul...? > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 000746-0, 05/30/2007 > Tested on: 5/31/2007 12:26:38 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000746-0, 05/30/2007 Tested on: 5/31/2007 12:29:39 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu May 31 13:17:22 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:17:22 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish Message-ID: > From: "Russ Butler" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:15:50 -0700 > Subject: WALE is Spanish > > They own are two other stations in the market: Latina 100.3 > (Middletown) and Festival Jazz 102.7 (Narragansett Pier): 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 31 14:41:29 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:41:29 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish References: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> <000b01c7a390$1d8dd140$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <465EF639.6040009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000b01c7a3b3$53ffe060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> My guess is that the WALE Tx location is far enough inside the town limits of Burrillville that the night signal, which is almost as directional as the day signal, doesn't cover 80% (or nearly 80%) of Burrillville with an NIF signal. Given how well WLGZ bombs in at night in these parts, I suspect that WALE's NIF is in the neighborhood of 30 mV/m. Hence, even though the Tx is within Burrillville, Burrillville probably doesn't quality as the CoL. It's even possible that the 5 mV/m DAY signal doesn't cover 80% of Burillville. The day signal behind the pattern is equivalent to only about 10W (actually a bit less depending on how you figure it). It is far from obvious to me why that day pattern is so restrictive in that direction. There was definitely a need to protect WCAP (and WSUB to the southwest) but I wouldn't think to that degree. Someone said that the RI 990 predated Leominster on 1000, but perhaps when the 990 patterns were redesigned 10 or 15 years back, the day pattern had to be tightened to the northwest to improve protection to Leominster. Anyhow, Greenville is allegedly about to get its second high-power AM with a six-tower array and patterns that throw almost everything to the southeast. Alex Langer (WBIX, WSRO) was recently granted a CP for 1140 with 27 kW-D/1.2 kW-N. 1140 itself is a lot quieter here than 990 is, so 1.2 kW may cover as well on 1140 as 5 kW does on 990. OTOH, WBBR, which is first adjacent to 1140, puts a HUGE night signal into RI and southeastern MA. The 1140 station will send quite a bit of signal to the northwest by day. I wonder if Langer plans to run it more or less // WSRO. He seems to be making good money with the brokered Portuguese programming on 650 and the 1140 signal will reach a lot of Portuguese speakers who probably can't pick up 650. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: WALE is Spanish > Hi Dan - I think you're correct, the larger town in the area is > Burrillville, so Tarkin RI must be a small farming community or a suburb? > > On the radio-locator coordinates, you can see the six towers zooming in > on the satellite map. The arrow shows the xmtr site and the map shows > the Tarkin town name almost next to it. Burrilleville is a few miles > northwest. > > The radio-locator is for "entertainment purposes only" but the WALE > 990AM city name is "Greenville RI" nothing to do with Providence (except > for the studio location they had, a store front downtown Providence with > a street window to watch the live broadcast.) > > Greenville is 11 miles south of Burrillville, so that doesn't make any > sense and Burrillville is a large town (16,000 people) and Greenville is > 8,626 population. Must be the COL nearest to Providence, eh? Just > guessing. > > Thanks for the reply. =Russ > > > > > > Dan Strassberg wrote: > > >I can tell you only that in its WLKW days, the official sign-off clearly > >stated that the transmitter was in Burrellville. The transmitter has never > >moved, although within the last ten years or so one of the six towers WAS > >moved a hundred feet or thereabouts. So maybe there is an error in to > >coordinates. Or maybe the boundaries of Burrellville are irregular enough > >that they encompass land that is closer to the center of another town than > >to the center of Burrellville. Or maybe the town where you think the > >transmitter is is not an official political subdivision but is in fact a > >neighborhood of Burrellville. (A Massachusetts example: legally, there is no > >such place as Gleasondale, but you will find Gleasondale on some maps. It is > >a section of Hudson MA, I believe.) I suppose it's possible that the owners > >of WLKW didn't know which town the transmitter was in, but since they > >presumably knew the name of the town to which they paid the real estate > >taxes, that seems unlikely. > > > >-- > >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > >eFax 707-215-6367 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Russ Butler" > >To: ; "Russ Butler" > > > >Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:15 AM > >Subject: WALE is Spanish > > > > > > > > > >>According to www.radio-locator.com (search WALE), 990AM is now a > >>Spanish language broadcaster but currently off the air. License granted > >>July 9,1999 to Greenville, RI expires in 2014. Last FCC update was > >>December 29, 2006. Owned by Cumbre Broadcasting. > >> > >>The 50Kw coverage pattern and xmtr site Northwest of Smithfield near > >>Tarkin, RI (not Burrellville RI) coordinates are shown. The Google > >>satellite map zooms in on the six tower array. > >> > >>The 2007 RI Media Guide has this listing (the WALE's web site > >>supermax990am.com doesn't work if they are off the air, however). They > >>own are two other stations in the market: Latina 100.3 (Middletown) and > >>Festival Jazz 102.7 (Narragansett Pier): > >> > >>WALE Supermax 990 AM > >>P.O. Box 6443 > >>Providence, RI 02904 > >>Located at 1185 North Main St. > >>Supermax WKKB Inc. > >> > >>General Manager: Craig Rapoza > >>Program Director: Dr. Manolo Pazos > >>Telephone: (401) 521-0990 > >>Fax: (401) 521-5077 > >>Web site: www.supermax990am.com > >>Email: manolopazos@aol.com > >>Format: 24 hours in Spanish, Red Sox in Spanish, Targets Ages > >>34+, news, sports, traffic, weather > >>Notes: Sister to WKKB-FM Latina 100.3 and > >> WAKX FM 102.7 > >> > >>Maybe they are getting WALE's xmtr all fixed to fire it up? > >> > >>=Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu May 31 15:08:01 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <56571.91143.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and > is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. Now that there is a WRNI-FM, will the translator down there that had been relaying WBUR relay WRNI-FM instead? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu May 31 16:36:58 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:36:58 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish Message-ID: --- Sean Smyth wrote: > Eli Polonsky wrote: > > 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and > > is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. > > Now that there is a WRNI-FM, will the translator down > there that had been relaying WBUR relay WRNI-FM instead? What translator is that? What frequency is it on? I work at WBUR, and I've never heard about a translator in Rhode Island. There was only WRNI 1290 AM Providence and WXNI 1230 AM Westerly which simulcasts WRNI, which will be discontinued and sold because WRNI-FM covers it's area. If someone else is rebroadcasting WBUR down there, I'm sure they would like to know about it! You may be hearing Cape Cod stations WCCT 90.3 Harwich, MA or WSDH 91.5 Sandwich, MA which are not technically translators, they are Class A non-commercial stations owned by local schools on which WBUR has arrangements to simulcast. There's also WBUR 1240 AM W. Yarmouth, MA which is owned by Boston University. Those three stations serve portions of the Cape and Islands, and will not be changing. EP From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu May 31 16:37:36 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:37:36 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <56571.91143.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018801c7a3c3$869db0a0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > > 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and > > is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. > > Now that there is a WRNI-FM, will the translator down there that had > been relaying WBUR relay WRNI-FM instead? > I don't believe there is a translator relaying WBUR in RI anywhere. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu May 31 16:40:23 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <018901c7a3c3$ea20b230$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > According to www.radio-locator.com (search WALE), 990AM is now a > Spanish language broadcaster but currently off the air. License granted > July 9,1999 to Greenville, RI expires in 2014. Last FCC update was > December 29, 2006. Owned by Cumbre Broadcasting. The last time 990 WALE was on the air, it was relaying the "102.7 Jazz FM" programming (not to be confused with Festival Jazz 102.7 which was on 102.7 previous to Jazz FM). Jazz FM's format was a lot like the 89.3 Ice FM pirate that was on the air before WUMD signed on. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu May 31 17:16:05 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <018801c7a3c3$869db0a0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <431458.62621.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and > > > is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. > > > > Now that there is a WRNI-FM, will the translator down there that > had > > been relaying WBUR relay WRNI-FM instead? > > > > I don't believe there is a translator relaying WBUR in RI anywhere. Thought Scott had mentioned this in NERW or on LTAR a few years ago, that there was a WBUR translator down there, and how it'd make plenty more sense to do have the translator //WRNI instead. My memory is plenty faulty, though. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu May 31 19:30:26 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:30:26 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <000b01c7a3b3$53ffe060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> <000b01c7a390$1d8dd140$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <465EF639.6040009@comcast.net> <000b01c7a3b3$53ffe060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: I'm sure Langer will broker 1140 out as much as possible and air his fledgling talk network during unsold hours. I doubt he will simulcast WSRO. While 650 is brokered "Portuguese," it's programming is aimed at the immigrant Brazilian population in the Framingham/Marlborough area. Most of the Portuguese speakers in Northern RI and the New Bedford/Fall River area are from Portugal, not Brazil. Each group speaks a very different dialect of the language. Just as there are several different formats that target Spanish speakers (Regional Mexican, Tropical, Contemporary, Rhythmic/reggaeton, etc) you would need different formats to serve each Portuguese speaking community. Besides, WJFD serves this community fairly well at 97.3.... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 31, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > Anyhow, Greenville is allegedly about to get its second high-power AM > with a > six-tower array and patterns that throw almost everything to the > southeast. > Alex Langer (WBIX, WSRO) was recently granted a CP for 1140 with 27 > kW-D/1.2 > kW-N. 1140 itself is a lot quieter here than 990 is, so 1.2 kW may > cover as > well on 1140 as 5 kW does on 990. OTOH, WBBR, which is first adjacent > to > 1140, puts a HUGE night signal into RI and southeastern MA. The 1140 > station > will send quite a bit of signal to the northwest by day. I wonder if > Langer > plans to run it more or less // WSRO. He seems to be making good money > with > the brokered Portuguese programming on 650 and the 1140 signal will > reach a > lot of Portuguese speakers who probably can't pick up 650. From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu May 31 19:32:08 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:32:08 -0400 Subject: sports scenario for 1200 and/or 1430? In-Reply-To: <20070531152438.702FF83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070531152438.702FF83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I know......ESPN Radio Deportes! It is 24/7 now.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On May 31, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Interesting possibility: Clear Channel could dump Rumba from the > stronger (when the signal improves) > of their two AMs in town, WKOX 1200, and make it Sports 1200 with a > blend of Fox Sports (syndicated > by CC-allied Premiere, and would be pulled off WEEI overnights) and > Sporting News Radio (once > 1510 dumps it). Similar to WGAM Nashua NH and WKBR Manchester NH. > > They could even have a pm drive local sports show (just as 900 & 1250 > do)... > North Shore Spirit Baseball (which is currently on 1510) > They can't get the Red Sox...or can they? Perhaps the Spanish language > broadcasts (currently on 950) > > Sports said to be a big sell...may not have worked with 1510's anemic > signal but maybe on 1200? > Fox Sports would get a full time affiliate (or mostly FSR with some > SNR thrown in) as opposed to > just overnights. > > 1430 could do: more Spanish (though 1510 will be grabbing some of that > audience)...? > Syndie talk (Premiere talkers like Beck or Dr. Laura? Even prog. > talk?) or maybe soul...? > > From scott@fybush.com Thu May 31 21:34:06 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:34:06 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <431458.62621.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <431458.62621.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465F778E.50402@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Jeff Lehmann wrote: >>>> 102.7 is being sold to Rhode Island Public Radio and >>>> is now WRNI-FM, simulcasting WRNI 1290 AM Providence. >>> Now that there is a WRNI-FM, will the translator down there that >> had >>> been relaying WBUR relay WRNI-FM instead? >>> >> I don't believe there is a translator relaying WBUR in RI anywhere. > > Thought Scott had mentioned this in NERW or on LTAR a few years ago, > that there was a WBUR translator down there, and how it'd make plenty > more sense to do have the translator //WRNI instead. My memory is > plenty faulty, though. That's not tripping my memory at all. There was a WCRB translator in Newport at one point, and I might have mentioned that it would have been better // WCRI. But that translator is now // WMVY anyway... s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu May 31 21:47:30 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:47:30 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <465F778E.50402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <019601c7a3ee$d1ae3f30$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > That's not tripping my memory at all. There was a WCRB translator in > Newport at one point, and I might have mentioned that it would have been > better // WCRI. But that translator is now // WMVY anyway... 96.5 W243AI actually was //WCRI for a few years before chaning over to WMVY. The audio was very low, and in mono. It sounds much better these days. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu May 31 21:51:26 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WALE is Spanish In-Reply-To: <465F778E.50402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <126706.29123.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > That's not tripping my memory at all. There was a WCRB translator in > Newport at one point, and I might have mentioned that it would have > been > better // WCRI. But that translator is now // WMVY anyway... If I'd only Googled beforehand ... http://www.bostonradio.org/nerw/nerw-990528.html >From NERW, May 28, 1999: "One bit of RHODE ISLAND news: WBUR-FM is applying for a Newport translator on 91.5, which would bring a solid public radio signal to Aquidneck Island for the first time. But under current translator rules, the 91.5 would have to relay Boston-based WBUR instead of Providence-based affiliate WRNI (1290), even though WRNI actually offers news and traffic for Rhode Island instead of Massachusetts. Sounds like a great case for a waiver, if you ask us -- have we mentioned lately that we think the translator rules are out of sync with reality?" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222