From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 1 03:29:55 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:29:55 -0500 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports Message-ID: <20070601072955.0B8B849B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com You know that announcement the new owners of WWZN made about the station flipping to programming serving the immigrant community? Never mind. In a press release that Boston Radio Watch reproduced, they said that 1510 WILL stay sports. "'1510 The Zone has been embedded in Boston as a sports station for the last 10 years and we would like to preserve that tradition,' said Peter Davidson, the head of Blackstrap Broadcasting, LLC. 'Boston is among the greatest sports cities in the country and the demand for sports coverage in the region reflects that,' he said." From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 1 07:33:10 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:33:10 -0400 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports References: <20070601072955.0B8B849B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7a440$a6e47240$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, what about Sports in Spanish? There is an ESPN Spanish network, and though I'm sure that WROL has the Sox in Spanish locked up for this season (at night--WBNW carries the day games in Spanish), it shouldn't be hard for 50-kW WWZN to show the Sox (or whomever is responsible for selling the Spanish radio rights) that WWZN covers a lot better at night than WROL does (even when WROL "forgets" to cut back to night power--which seems to be most of the time). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports > http://www.bostonradiowatch.com > > You know that announcement the new owners of WWZN made about the station flipping to > programming serving the immigrant community? Never mind. In a press release > that Boston Radio Watch reproduced, they said that 1510 WILL stay sports. > > "'1510 The Zone has been embedded in Boston as a sports station for the last 10 years and we would like to preserve that tradition,' said Peter Davidson, the head of Blackstrap Broadcasting, LLC. 'Boston is among the greatest sports cities in the country and the demand for sports coverage in the region reflects that,' he said." > From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jun 1 09:08:33 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:08:33 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish Message-ID: >From NERW, May 28, 1999: > One bit of RHODE ISLAND news: WBUR-FM is applying for a > Newport translator on 91.5, which would bring a solid > public radio signal to Aquidneck Island for the first > time. That never went on the air as far as I know. EP From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 09:31:57 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports In-Reply-To: <000c01c7a440$a6e47240$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, what about Sports in Spanish? There is an ESPN Spanish network, > and > though I'm sure that WROL has the Sox in Spanish locked up for this > season > (at night--WBNW carries the day games in Spanish), it shouldn't be > hard for > 50-kW WWZN to show the Sox (or whomever is responsible for selling > the > Spanish radio rights) that WWZN covers a lot better at night than > WROL does > (even when WROL "forgets" to cut back to night power--which seems to > be most > of the time). The key word in Davidson's aforementioned statement is "like." I'd love to do a lot of things, including buy a smaller station that gets a 1 rating, but it isn't happening anytime soon, even if Bob Bittner chose to sell. Spanish sports is a legit possibility. I see few markets where it would be plausible, even with the ESPN Deportes network, but Boston would be one. The Spanish community is very into the Red Sox, as was evidenced by Pedro Mania, and there are a couple very successful players of Hispanic background on this team. You may recall that 1510 was thisclose to being the Red Sox' Spanish flagship a few years ago. WEEI balked, and the deal was squashed. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 1 10:17:29 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:17:29 -0400 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> No, I didn't recall. What was the reason or alleged reason for WEEI's objection to having a real full-time station carry the Sox in Spanish--as opposed to a Class D AM with low-power nighttime authority (even if it often "forgets" to power down at sunset)? Did Entercom feel that enough of the people who listened to the Sox on WEEI were bilingual and would switch the Spanish broadcasts, if only the Spanish signal were better? I suppose that if that theory were correct, a stronger signal for the Spanish broadcasts could actually cut the ratings for the English broadcasts by a measurable amount. I can imagine 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 share points. Since WWZN never makes it into the ratings, I suppose that if it had gotten the Sox in Spanish and WEEI's ratings for the Sox in English had declined measurably, that small decline would have been the first solid statistical evidence that anyone at all listened to WWZN. Nevertheless, I don't think WWZN would have challenged CJBC for the fewest listeners per watt in North America. The numbers for both stations are surely well below 1, but CJBC must have more zeros to the immediate right of the decimal point. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: WWZN announces it will stay sports > > Spanish sports is a legit possibility. I see few markets where it would > be plausible, even with the ESPN Deportes network, but Boston would be > one. The Spanish community is very into the Red Sox, as was evidenced > by Pedro Mania, and there are a couple very successful players of > Hispanic background on this team. > > You may recall that 1510 was thisclose to being the Red Sox' Spanish > flagship a few years ago. WEEI balked, and the deal was squashed. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jun 1 18:28:13 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:28:13 -0400 Subject: BRI: Old Casey Kasem AT-40 shows to WODS? Message-ID: The other night I heard a promo with an aged-sounding Casey Kasem saying that Oldies 103.3 will be rebroadcasting old 1970's editions of his nationally syndicated "American Top 40" shows on Saturday evenings. I guess that's it for "Mighty Mike" Osborne's live, local "Saturday Night 70's". I'm sure the shows will have nostalgia factor for the oldies audience who grew up listening to him every week in the 70's, but I can't see it getting ratings of a well-executed live, local, interactive Saturday night 60's/70's oldies party show. It's probably supplied at low cost and mostly national sponsor supported (or perhaps even free and sponsored), so it would cost them a lot less to run it and pay a board-op rather than live talent (I don't think they use automation there). They're also running old Wolfman Jack shows Sunday nights at 11:00 PM (after Barry Scott's "Lost 45's"). Well, as the man always said, "keep your feet on the ground, and keep reaching for the stars"... EP From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jun 1 18:53:58 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: ESPN replaces Air America on 870 in Portland Message-ID: <9817BF71F5C9495A9562E47BD26D619F@DanBillingsPC> http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/012511.html From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 2 01:33:06 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BRI: Old Casey Kasem AT-40 shows to WODS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1180762386.466101125667c@colossus.bilow.com> Quoting Eli Polonsky : > The other night I heard a promo with an aged-sounding Casey > Kasem saying that Oldies 103.3 will be rebroadcasting old > 1970's editions of his nationally syndicated "American Top > 40" shows on Saturday evenings. I guess that's it for > "Mighty Mike" Osborne's live, local "Saturday Night 70's". > Actually XM Radio has been playing the shows sans commercials on the 70's and 80's channels for the past few weeks. All I can surmise is that Kasey Kasem is trying to milk a few dollars for his retirement by placing the shows back in syndication. I actually think that its a good time filler for an Oldies station though maybe not at the expense of a popular live show. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 From wollman@bostonradio.org Sun Jun 3 01:19:27 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:19:27 -0400 Subject: Gratuitous plug Message-ID: <18018.20319.119829.249324@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> For those of you on the list who for some reason don't make it a habit to check in regularly at our site, The Archives @ BostonRadio.org (shame on you!), over the past week I've worked to put up three new photo galleries (with a fourth on the way as soon as its review period expires). I've also reorganized the index of photo galleries so you can find things more easily. Hop on over to and spend some quality time with "WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction progress, Spring 2007" and "Brighton Studioplex". Both galleries are fairly small by my standards, so if you want something a bit meatier, and you can tolerate my taste in architecture, give "Some Back Bay architecture" a try. Four down, only about thirty-five to go.... -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 3 02:48:53 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:48:53 -0500 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports In-Reply-To: <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46621E05.20195.9E9588@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Jun 2007 at 10:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > No, I didn't recall. What was the reason or alleged reason for WEEI's > objection to having a real full-time station carry the Sox in > Spanish--as opposed to a Class D AM with low-power nighttime authority > (even if it often "forgets" to power down at sunset)? Did Entercom > feel that enough of the people who listened to the Sox on WEEI were > bilingual and would switch the Spanish broadcasts, if only the Spanish > signal were better? I suppose that if that theory were correct, a > stronger signal for the Spanish broadcasts could actually cut the > ratings for the English broadcasts by a measurable amount. I can > imagine 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 share points. Since WWZN never makes it > into the ratings, I suppose that if it had gotten the Sox in Spanish > and WEEI's ratings for the Sox in English had declined measurably, > that small decline would have been the first solid statistical > evidence that anyone at all listened to WWZN. It would be my guess that having the Sox in Spanish on a station that was otherwise an English-language sports station might motivate some people who could understand both languages to listen to the Sox in Spanish on WWZN and then stay for some of its English sports programming. I can see how WEEI might consider that a threat, whereas having the Sox in Spanish on a station that was not otherwise a sports station, or one that was all Spanish, might not be seen as quite so much of a threat. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Jun 3 01:45:35 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gratuitous plug In-Reply-To: <18018.20319.119829.249324@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <407584.92008.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > For those of you on the list who for some reason don't make it a > habit > to check in regularly at our site, The Archives @ BostonRadio.org > (shame on you!), over the past week I've worked to put up three new > photo galleries (with a fourth on the way as soon as its review > period > expires). I've also reorganized the index of photo galleries so you > can find things more easily. Hop on over to > and spend some quality time with > "WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction progress, Spring 2007" and "Brighton > Studioplex". Both galleries are fairly small by my standards, so if > you want something a bit meatier, and you can tolerate my taste in > architecture, give "Some Back Bay architecture" a try. > > Four down, only about thirty-five to go.... Speaking of the Archives, are the market listings still there? If they are, I've been passing over them. ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jun 3 11:06:09 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:06:09 -0400 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46621E05.20195.9E9588@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, AFAIK, neither WROL, which carries the Sox in Spanish at night, nor WBNW, which, effective this season, carries the Sox day games in Spanish, broadcasts in any language besides English at other times OTOH, neither of these stations' mostly brokered-time English-language programming appears to compete with anything that Entercom broadcasts on WEEI, WRKO, or any of its other Southern New England properties (AM or FM), whith the possible exception of WBNW's weekday financial talk shows, which nominally cater to the same audience as Bob Brinker's weekend shows on WRKO. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:48 AM Subject: Re: WWZN announces it will stay sports > On 1 Jun 2007 at 10:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > No, I didn't recall. What was the reason or alleged reason for WEEI's > > objection to having a real full-time station carry the Sox in > > Spanish--as opposed to a Class D AM with low-power nighttime authority > > (even if it often "forgets" to power down at sunset)? Did Entercom > > feel that enough of the people who listened to the Sox on WEEI were > > bilingual and would switch the Spanish broadcasts, if only the Spanish > > signal were better? I suppose that if that theory were correct, a > > stronger signal for the Spanish broadcasts could actually cut the > > ratings for the English broadcasts by a measurable amount. I can > > imagine 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 share points. Since WWZN never makes it > > into the ratings, I suppose that if it had gotten the Sox in Spanish > > and WEEI's ratings for the Sox in English had declined measurably, > > that small decline would have been the first solid statistical > > evidence that anyone at all listened to WWZN. > > It would be my guess that having the Sox in Spanish on a station that > was otherwise an English-language sports station might motivate some > people who could understand both languages to listen to the Sox in > Spanish on WWZN and then stay for some of its English sports > programming. I can see how WEEI might consider that a threat, > whereas having the Sox in Spanish on a station that was not otherwise > a sports station, or one that was all Spanish, might not be seen as > quite so much of a threat. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From wollman@bostonradio.org Sun Jun 3 12:36:56 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:36:56 -0400 Subject: UNS: Re: Gratuitous plug In-Reply-To: <407584.92008.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <18018.20319.119829.249324@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <407584.92008.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18018.60968.633629.486247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Speaking of the Archives, are the market listings still there? If they > are, I've been passing over them. No, we removed them a few years ago when it became clear that I was not going to be able to keep them up-to-date. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 3 11:24:26 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:24:26 -0400 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports In-Reply-To: <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46621E05.20195.9E9588@joe.attorneyross.com> <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4fc429770706030824y73a3d4e8kb334aab65c9bfee1@mail.gmail.com> The Red Sox did veto the Spanish games going to 1510. The Sox were upset about unauthorized promotions the station had and then the fiasco with Dakota's morning show claiming Hazel Mae and Terry Francona were an item. I am surprised the Sox Spanish games didn't surface on 1470. However it is also obvious 950 is at daytime power for Sox night games. On 6/3/07, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, AFAIK, neither WROL, which carries the Sox in Spanish at night, nor > WBNW, which, effective this season, carries the Sox day games in Spanish, > broadcasts in any language besides English at other times OTOH, neither of > these stations' mostly brokered-time English-language programming appears to > compete with anything that Entercom broadcasts on WEEI, WRKO, or any of its > other Southern New England properties (AM or FM), whith the possible > exception of WBNW's weekday financial talk shows, which nominally cater to > the same audience as Bob Brinker's weekend shows on WRKO. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: ; "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio > Mailing List" ; "Dan > Strassberg" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: WWZN announces it will stay sports > > > > On 1 Jun 2007 at 10:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > > > No, I didn't recall. What was the reason or alleged reason for WEEI's > > > objection to having a real full-time station carry the Sox in > > > Spanish--as opposed to a Class D AM with low-power nighttime authority > > > (even if it often "forgets" to power down at sunset)? Did Entercom > > > feel that enough of the people who listened to the Sox on WEEI were > > > bilingual and would switch the Spanish broadcasts, if only the Spanish > > > signal were better? I suppose that if that theory were correct, a > > > stronger signal for the Spanish broadcasts could actually cut the > > > ratings for the English broadcasts by a measurable amount. I can > > > imagine 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 share points. Since WWZN never makes it > > > into the ratings, I suppose that if it had gotten the Sox in Spanish > > > and WEEI's ratings for the Sox in English had declined measurably, > > > that small decline would have been the first solid statistical > > > evidence that anyone at all listened to WWZN. > > > > It would be my guess that having the Sox in Spanish on a station that > > was otherwise an English-language sports station might motivate some > > people who could understand both languages to listen to the Sox in > > Spanish on WWZN and then stay for some of its English sports > > programming. I can see how WEEI might consider that a threat, > > whereas having the Sox in Spanish on a station that was not otherwise > > a sports station, or one that was all Spanish, might not be seen as > > quite so much of a threat. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Sun Jun 3 18:59:40 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:59:40 -0400 Subject: Rhode Island Translators (Was WALE is Spanish) References: Message-ID: <004f01c7a632$de4dba40$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Hi, all- A translator CP was granted to Boston University for 91.5 in Newport. Apparently, it was never built. The app was filed in 1999, granted in 2000, and expired in 2003. Its current status at the FCC is Permit Cancelled, and it has been assigned a deleted-type call sign (DW218BO). There is an active translator application by The WRNI Foundation for 91.3 in Wakefield. It was filed in 1999, and is still listed as "Tendered." A translator app filed in 1998 by Southern RI Public Radio Broadcasting for Coventry on 91.5 was dismissed, presumably because it would interfere with WCVY, also in Coventry, also on 91.5. Another translator app filed in 1999 by Broadcasting for the Challenged for 91.5 in Coventry was also dismissed, presumably for the same reason. So of all four of these translator apps on 91.3 and 91.5, not one is on the air. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: WALE is Spanish > >From NERW, May 28, 1999: >> One bit of RHODE ISLAND news: WBUR-FM is applying for a >> Newport translator on 91.5, which would bring a solid >> public radio signal to Aquidneck Island for the first >> time. > > That never went on the air as far as I know. > > EP > > > From dave@skywaves.net Sun Jun 3 19:05:20 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:05:20 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish References: <465ED896.4060400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301c7a633$a8d6a290$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Hi, all- >From the STA App they filed in January (sorry about the caps, that's all the FCC accepts in its app system): "WALE (AM), GREENVILLE, RHODE ISLAND, WENT SILENT ON DECEMBER 29, 2006, BECAUSE OF TECHNICAL PROBLEMS IN THE CURRENT OPERATING CONFIGURATION OF THE STATION'S FACILITIES. DUE TO THE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS IN THE CONFIGURATION, THE STATION IS CONSUMING AN UNUSUALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL POWER. THIS SIGNIFICANT AND DISPROPORTIONATE CONSUMPTION OF ELECTRICAL POWER HAS MADE IT ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE STATION UNDER THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. CUMBRE COMMUNICATIONS CORP. REQUESTS PERMISSION TO REMAIN SILENT WHILE IT RECONFIGURES ITS OPERATING SYSTEM TO CURE THIS TECHNICAL ISSUE." -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: WALE is Spanish > According to www.radio-locator.com (search WALE), 990AM is now a Spanish > language broadcaster but currently off the air. License granted July > 9,1999 to Greenville, RI expires in 2014. Last FCC update was December 29, > 2006. Owned by Cumbre Broadcasting. > > The 50Kw coverage pattern and xmtr site Northwest of Smithfield near > Tarkin, RI (not Burrellville RI) coordinates are shown. The Google > satellite map zooms in on the six tower array. > > The 2007 RI Media Guide has this listing (the WALE's web site > supermax990am.com doesn't work if they are off the air, however). They own > are two other stations in the market: Latina 100.3 (Middletown) and > Festival Jazz 102.7 (Narragansett Pier): > > WALE Supermax 990 AM > P.O. Box 6443 > Providence, RI 02904 > Located at 1185 North Main St. > Supermax WKKB Inc. > > General Manager: Craig Rapoza > Program Director: Dr. Manolo Pazos > Telephone: (401) 521-0990 > Fax: (401) 521-5077 > Web site: www.supermax990am.com > Email: manolopazos@aol.com > Format: 24 hours in Spanish, Red Sox in Spanish, Targets Ages > 34+, news, sports, traffic, weather > Notes: Sister to WKKB-FM Latina 100.3 and WAKX > FM 102.7 > > Maybe they are getting WALE's xmtr all fixed to fire it up? > > =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > > From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon Jun 4 00:04:38 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:04:38 -0400 Subject: WALE is Spanish / Rhode Island translators Message-ID: <46638F56.5040504@friedbagels.com> The Coventry apps were dismissed when "Educational Radio for the Public of the New Millennium" (a religious broadcaster) finally forced WCVY into a share-time arrangement for 91.5FM, after many years of many parties trying - they finally succeeded. I have heard many stories, if half of them are true then nobody came out smelling good in that little saga. The "New Millennium" folks have got calls WRJI and they're trying to put 100 watts on 91.5 from Cranston, IIRC. The WBUR translator in Newport was allowed to expire after the FCC rejected WBUR's attempt to get a waiver that would allow the FM translator to repeat WRNI 1290AM's programming. (FM translators, by the rules, may only repeat FM stations...not AM) Since the translator realistically could only repeat the 90.9 signal from Boston, and (at the time) there were serious rumblings that there was "too much Boston" on the Rhode Island stations, the translator was never built and the app allowed to expire. Nowadays we know that, at the time, WBUR/WRNI were starting to run a huge deficit (this was not all that long before Jane Christo's role as GM ended rather publicly) so I'd hazard a guess any unnecessary expenses were to be avoided. (shrugs) BTW Scott, I know the setup on the 96.5 translator in Newport quite well...and WCRB 102.5 comes in better there than WCRI does. Strange but true. However, you are correct that 96.5 repeated WCRB for many years, then was switched to 96.9 (even though it was better on 102.5) and stayed that way until it switched to WMVY. Around the same time 96.5 switched to WMVY, there was some idle speculation that 96.5 would translate WBUR's 90.9 signal (actually there was speculation it would translate several signals) but it never actually happened. BTW to everyone in Providence, how well does WUMD's new 89.3 signal come in around the Providence area? I've heard it's supposed to be a good rimshot signal in there... -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 Hi, all- A translator CP was granted to Boston University for 91.5 in Newport. Apparently, it was never built. The app was filed in 1999, granted in 2000, and expired in 2003. Its current status at the FCC is Permit Cancelled, and it has been assigned a deleted-type call sign (DW218BO). There is an active translator application by The WRNI Foundation for 91.3 in Wakefield. It was filed in 1999, and is still listed as "Tendered." A translator app filed in 1998 by Southern RI Public Radio Broadcasting for Coventry on 91.5 was dismissed, presumably because it would interfere with WCVY, also in Coventry, also on 91.5. Another translator app filed in 1999 by Broadcasting for the Challenged for 91.5 in Coventry was also dismissed, presumably for the same reason. So of all four of these translator apps on 91.3 and 91.5, not one is on the air. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon Jun 4 10:41:22 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:41:22 -0400 Subject: WOMR off the air Message-ID: <46642492.1030401@friedbagels.com> There was a small "fire" (there's conflicting reports in Cape Cod Online) at WOMR's transmitter site last week, knocking their 92.1 signal off the air. Station management was mentioned as saying they expected to be back on the air with "half power" by this past weekend. http://capecod.planetdiscover.com/?keywords=WOMR&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Mon Jun 4 13:28:36 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:28:36 -0400 Subject: WOMR off the air References: <46642492.1030401@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <000501c7a6cd$c9020dd0$633f434b@DG07P241> Yes, they we off for a couple of days and returned Wednesday with 2000 or their 6000 watts. Still awaiting more parts.. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: WOMR off the air > There was a small "fire" (there's conflicting reports in Cape Cod > Online) at WOMR's transmitter site last week, knocking their 92.1 signal > off the air. Station management was mentioned as saying they expected > to be back on the air with "half power" by this past weekend. > > http://capecod.planetdiscover.com/?keywords=WOMR&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submi t=Search > > -- > > > -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02446-2204 > > > > > From mike@miscon.net Mon Jun 4 20:39:51 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:39:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706030824y73a3d4e8kb334aab65c9bfee1@mail.gmail.com> References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46621E05.20195.9E9588@joe.attorneyross.com> <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770706030824y73a3d4e8kb334aab65c9bfee1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <.24.60.119.12.1181003991.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> earlier, Kevin Vahey said: > The Red Sox did veto the Spanish games going to 1510. The Sox were > upset about unauthorized promotions the station had and then the > fiasco with Dakota's morning show claiming Hazel Mae and Terry > Francona were an item. It was my understanding that the Spanish Beisbol Network negotiations for going to 1510 took place in 2000 - 2001 and that there were WEEI protections and Fenway park signage issues that came into play. New owners for both the Sox and 1510 might mean another stab at it. >However it is also obvious 950 is at daytime power for Sox night games. I know that this accusation keeps reappearing on this list - I believe that the (then) CE made a very clear statement about automated day/night power changes (I'll look through the archives to see if I've got that right - please excuse me if I'm wrong). I think I'll also swing by the station and ask to see the logs. It'd be good to have something to go on other than supposition. Mike Michael G Wilkins From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 4 21:17:24 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:17:24 -0400 Subject: WWZN announces it will stay sports In-Reply-To: <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <623780.77789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801c7a457$9b3b1900$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46621E05.20195.9E9588@joe.attorneyross.com> <002201c7a5f0$cac09020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4fc429770706041817x568caa8cr71a451e4b1f65715@mail.gmail.com> In the past 2 weeks I have heard 950 clear at night in Hyannis and Chelmsford. OK Hyannis as a water shot maybe but not Chelmsford at nite. The Sox vetoed 1510 again 2 years ago. On 6/3/07, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, AFAIK, neither WROL, which carries the Sox in Spanish at night, nor > WBNW, which, effective this season, carries the Sox day games in Spanish, > broadcasts in any language besides English at other times OTOH, neither of > these stations' mostly brokered-time English-language programming appears to > compete with anything that Entercom broadcasts on WEEI, WRKO, or any of its > other Southern New England properties (AM or FM), whith the possible > exception of WBNW's weekday financial talk shows, which nominally cater to > the same audience as Bob Brinker's weekend shows on WRKO. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: ; "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio > Mailing List" ; "Dan > Strassberg" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: WWZN announces it will stay sports > > > > On 1 Jun 2007 at 10:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > > > No, I didn't recall. What was the reason or alleged reason for WEEI's > > > objection to having a real full-time station carry the Sox in > > > Spanish--as opposed to a Class D AM with low-power nighttime authority > > > (even if it often "forgets" to power down at sunset)? Did Entercom > > > feel that enough of the people who listened to the Sox on WEEI were > > > bilingual and would switch the Spanish broadcasts, if only the Spanish > > > signal were better? I suppose that if that theory were correct, a > > > stronger signal for the Spanish broadcasts could actually cut the > > > ratings for the English broadcasts by a measurable amount. I can > > > imagine 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 share points. Since WWZN never makes it > > > into the ratings, I suppose that if it had gotten the Sox in Spanish > > > and WEEI's ratings for the Sox in English had declined measurably, > > > that small decline would have been the first solid statistical > > > evidence that anyone at all listened to WWZN. > > > > It would be my guess that having the Sox in Spanish on a station that > > was otherwise an English-language sports station might motivate some > > people who could understand both languages to listen to the Sox in > > Spanish on WWZN and then stay for some of its English sports > > programming. I can see how WEEI might consider that a threat, > > whereas having the Sox in Spanish on a station that was not otherwise > > a sports station, or one that was all Spanish, might not be seen as > > quite so much of a threat. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 5 00:24:21 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:24:21 -0500 Subject: Latest on WCRB Message-ID: <46649F25.18840.30DB43@joe.attorneyross.com> I've noticed Listo FIsher on WCRB on weekends lately. He never used to be a classical music announcer, but he seems to be doing it OK. Their latest promotion is that they interrupt the music for commercials only twice an hour. If they played longer works, it would work out that way anyway. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 5 15:03:02 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:03:02 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. before 8:00 am) than I: "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite montage promos - the tag line at the end was: You got questions, We've got answers!" Now where have I heard that one before? From haverhill01835@comcast.net Tue Jun 5 15:15:31 2007 From: haverhill01835@comcast.net (haverhill01835@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:15:31 +0000 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <060520071915.12079.4665B653000ECFF300002F2F22068150930C050303@comcast.net> The winner is: Radio Shack Marc -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Roger Kirk > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. before > 8:00 am) than I: > > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite montage > promos - the tag line at the end was: > > You got questions, We've got answers!" > > Now where have I heard that one before? > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jun 5 15:09:53 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:09:53 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? In-Reply-To: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001601c7a7a5$265f9830$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Roger Kirk > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:03 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? > > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier > (i.e. before 8:00 am) than I: > > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite > montage promos - the tag line at the end was: > > You got questions, We've got answers!" > > Now where have I heard that one before? I think a more accurate in reality version of the Rat Shack slogan is "You've got questions, we've got blank stares"! From francini@mac.com Tue Jun 5 15:24:59 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:24:59 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? In-Reply-To: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> References: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> Message-ID: RadioShack! They appear to have dropped the slogan in favor of the rather simplistic, but perhaps less memorable "Do Stuff". j On 5 Jun 2007, at 15:03, Roger Kirk wrote: > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. > before 8:00 am) than I: > > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite > montage promos - the tag line at the end was: > > You got questions, We've got answers!" > > Now where have I heard that one before? > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 5 15:25:35 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:25:35 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? References: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000701c7a7a7$674b17a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Do I win anything for being the first of at least 100 replies with the correct answer? Radio Shack. I have also heard many dozens of Radio Shack-related takeoffs on the slogan, the most memorable of which is "You've got questions, we've got blank stares." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. before > 8:00 am) than I: > > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite montage > promos - the tag line at the end was: > > You got questions, We've got answers!" > > Now where have I heard that one before? > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jun 5 15:07:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <20070605190742.879ED1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> I heard that too; we'll see if Radio Shack sues (I think that's who had it). Maybe just playfully borrowing the slogan...? = Pedometers as Low as $1 - Free Shipping Huge Selection of Quality Brands Like, Yamax, Sportline, Freestyle, and More. Customer Logos, Free Shipping. Fast Delivery. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=1ed972f8bac8e902c6afbaf95c7b7930 From dave@skywaves.net Tue Jun 5 15:38:32 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:38:32 -0400 Subject: WUMD/Providence References: <46638F56.5040504@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <003101c7a7a9$1a11bc30$6601a8c0@skywaves.net> > BTW to everyone in Providence, how well does WUMD's new 89.3 signal come > in around the Providence area? I've heard it's supposed to be a good > rimshot signal in there... It sounds quite good to me all over town. There are a few spots where it takes a deep fade, but in general it is very listenable. You start to get serious breakup out by Cranston in the area of the 6 / 295 intersection, but south of there on 295, you're very solid. I'll be heading up 146 tonight, and I'll give it a listen up that way. YMMV, though. The Onleyville Pirate (Spanish on 89.1) was not operating today. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 From me@billoneill.us Tue Jun 5 16:10:38 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:10:38 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? In-Reply-To: References: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4665C33E.9030708@billoneill.us> John Francini wrote: > They appear to have dropped the slogan in favor of the rather > simplistic, but perhaps less memorable "Do Stuff". > So, that will be the _next_ WBZ slogan? We Do Stuff. Hey, not bad. I prefer, WBZ...Keep your questions to yourself. WBZ...ask your neighbor. WBZ...you figure it out. WBZ...what are you lookin' at? WBZ...you talkin' to me? Bill O'Neill From rickajho@rcn.com Tue Jun 5 16:15:25 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:15:25 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? References: <060520071915.12079.4665B653000ECFF300002F2F22068150930C050303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4665C45D.10B3E62A@rcn.com> haverhill01835@comcast.net wrote: > > The winner is: Radio Shack > > Marc As I recall Radio Schlock actually acquired a trade mark on that slogan. I wonder if BZ will get into trouble if they use it for same. Rick > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Roger Kirk > > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. before > > 8:00 am) than I: > > > > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite montage > > promos - the tag line at the end was: > > > > You got questions, We've got answers!" > > > > Now where have I heard that one before? > > > > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jun 5 17:02:52 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:02:52 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? References: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> <4665C33E.9030708@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000401c7a7b4$e3524500$0201a8c0@Family> regarding 'BZ's evolving and borrowed slogans, Bill O wrote: >>I prefer, WBZ...Keep your questions to yourself. WBZ...ask your neighbor. WBZ...you figure it out. WBZ...what are you lookin' at? WBZ...you talkin' to me? << how about the ever popular and versatile - If it's happening, it's News to us! - -Chuck Igo From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 5 13:21:33 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:21:33 -0500 Subject: Latest on WCRB Message-ID: <20070605172133.DD9751158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Latest on WCRB>Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:24:21 -0500 >I've noticed Listo FIsher on WCRB on weekends lately. He never used >to be a classical music announcer, but he seems to be doing it OK. >Their latest promotion is that they interrupt the music for >commercials only twice an hour. If they played longer works, it >would work out that way anyway. >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 >Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com One other piece of news from 750 South Street: according to universalhub.com, WCRB will no longer run outdoor classical music concerts on Thursday afternoons at Copley Plaza. Sponsors could not be found to underwrite the expenses. I'm truly broken up over this. = Hair Transplant Surgeon Hair Transplant Surgeon. Schedule your free consultation today. Take charge of your hair loss. Experience life changing results. Get your hair back now. Look great. Feel confident. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2a51479ec0bbbfc226cc36917c0c6cd From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 5 13:24:46 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:24:46 -0500 Subject: WOMR off the air Message-ID: <20070605172446.8C9CB1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul B Currier" >To: "Aaron Read" , boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WOMR off the air >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:28:36 -0400 >Yes, they we off for a couple of days and returned Wednesday with 2000 or >their 6000 watts. Still awaiting more parts.. >Paul >Sandwich >---- Original Message ----- >From: "Aaron Read" >Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:41 AM >Subject: WOMR off the air > There was a small "fire" (there's conflicting reports in Cape Cod > Online) at WOMR's transmitter site last week, knocking their 92.1 signal > off the air. Station management was mentioned as saying they expected > to be back on the air with "half power" by this past weekend. > The oddity about this is the fact that WOMR's ANTENNA sits on a water tank! = Los Angeles Times Travel Travel for Southern Californians by Southern Californians. Go Now. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e2ecd92b98c2513543dcdedebfffbd From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 5 18:37:45 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:37:45 -0400 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? In-Reply-To: <000401c7a7b4$e3524500$0201a8c0@Family> References: <4665B366.7090601@ttlc.net> <4665C33E.9030708@billoneill.us> <000401c7a7b4$e3524500$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <18021.58809.33477.267906@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > how about the ever popular and versatile - > If it's happening, it's News to us! No, that would have to be Metro/Shadow's slogan. Particularly on the traffic side. -GAWollman From fox893@yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 17:42:20 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? In-Reply-To: <20070605190742.879ED1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <588781.67936.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I heard that too; we'll see if Radio Shack sues (I > think that's who had it). Maybe just > playfully borrowing the slogan...? > Many of the newer sweepers on JJ Jeffries' WRED feature tag lines and slogans stolen from commercials... "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't!" What that has to do w/ CHR/U music, I don't know... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 5 23:57:55 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:57:55 -0400 Subject: Any idea...? In-Reply-To: <380487.23283.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <380487.23283.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18022.12483.511085.540592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> [We interrupt this mailing-list for a minor administrative announcement....] < said: > Any idea why none of my posts seem to make it to the > list? Yes. Read any one of my four previous messages to you on this subject. If you didn't receive them, then try using a working email address. [We apologize for the interruption. Just to repeat for the benefit of everyone: (a) If your email address is not the same as the one you are subscribed under, you will not be able to post to the list. (b) If your email address doesn't work, you will not even receive the message telling you that you are not allowed to post. If you wish to be able to post from multiple addresses, you may subscribe all of them and disable mail delivery to some or all of them. Thank you for your attention. We now return to our regularly-scheduled program.] -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 6 01:10:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:10:05 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act Message-ID: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com> I've just got a mailing from "Consumers for Tech Choice" promoting the "Massachusetts Cable Choice and Competition Act." They don't really say what the Act is, and their Website isn't very specific either. For all I know this is some industry group trying to abolish all regulation. Or maybe it really is an organization trying to eliminate "obsolete restrictions" on cable service. Does anyone have any idea what this really is? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jun 6 00:21:10 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:21:10 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18022.13878.623578.345096@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've just got a mailing from "Consumers for Tech Choice" promoting > the "Massachusetts Cable Choice and Competition Act." They don't > really say what the Act is, and their Website isn't very specific > either. For all I know this is some industry group trying to abolish > all regulation. Pretty much. It's an astroturf campaign backed by Verizon trying to bypass local franchise authorities (i.e., cities and towns) and get the General Court to give it a statewide cable TV franchise, in which it would be allowed to serve only those customers it felt like (i.e., the most profitable ones), unlike the incumbent cable TV companies who must serve everyone in their licensed service areas. As with all campaigns, there is an equal and opposite astroturf operation acting as a front for Comcast. I've heard radio spots from both urging me to contact my state legislators and support or oppose this legislation. -GAWollman (who already has a choice of cable companies, thank you very much) From francini@mac.com Wed Jun 6 00:26:13 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:26:13 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 0:10 -0500 6/6/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I've just got a mailing from "Consumers for Tech Choice" promoting >the "Massachusetts Cable Choice and Competition Act." They don't >really say what the Act is, and their Website isn't very specific >either. For all I know this is some industry group trying to abolish >all regulation. Or maybe it really is an organization trying to >eliminate "obsolete restrictions" on cable service. Does anyone have >any idea what this really is? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 >Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com I believe that it is a law that, if passed, would remove the cities' and towns' right to award cable franchises to one company (or two, in the areas where both Comcast and RCN both have them). This is an issue because Verizon wants to get FIOS into more areas, but many towns are requiring them to go through the same process the cable companies do to get a franchise. This is delaying FIOS rollout significantly, apparently. Verizon would MUCH rather deal with a single state-wide protocol and/or authority to get permission to build-out FIOS than being required to deal with 351 different authorizing bodies. John -- John Francini, francini@mac.com "The journey is more important than the destination -- that's part of life. If you only live for getting to the end, you're almost always disappointed." -- Donald Knuth From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jun 6 00:34:45 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:34:45 -0400 Subject: More new old photos Message-ID: <18022.14693.406070.852920@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Our latest photo gallery, "More Boston AMs, March 2006", shows the inside of the WWZN, WKOX, WBIX, WUNR (pre-construction), and WRCA transmitter sites. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 6 08:14:17 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:14:17 -0400 Subject: More new old photos References: <18022.14693.406070.852920@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001601c7a834$3953afa0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Garrett: Since you don't usually do anything without a reason that makes sense at least to you, I assume you are trying to teach the list members a lesson. Well, maybe you will succeed, but your omission of a link or links from the message to which I am replying strikes me as simply dumb! THIS IS A RULE for EVERYONE who sends e-mails to a list or just to an individual or individuals in an attempt to promote traffic at a Web site: Your message should include A LINK to the target site. The more difficult you make it for the recipients of your message to take the action the message proposes, the less likely the suggestion you proffer will elicit the desired response. (And all this time, I thought the rule was self-evident.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: More new old photos > Our latest photo gallery, "More Boston AMs, March 2006", shows the > inside of the WWZN, WKOX, WBIX, WUNR (pre-construction), and WRCA > transmitter sites. > > -GAWollman > From pete@partnercomm.com Wed Jun 6 12:16:06 2007 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:16:06 -0400 Subject: More new old photos In-Reply-To: <001601c7a834$3953afa0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <18022.14693.406070.852920@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <001601c7a834$3953afa0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4666DDC6.606@partnercomm.com> No need to sound so harsh, Dan. Given that Garrett posted on 3-June about http://gallery.bostonradio.org, I'd expect he probably figured it was redundant to refer to it again. Not an unreasonable omission. There is much information at the Archives (http://www.bostonradio.org) - certainly enough to keep the average radio geek amused for hours. While we're posting URLs of note, check out the "Other Resources" link off the Archives main page. If you have additional radio-relevant URLs to share, post them! A few from my collection: http://www.radio-locator.com - good info, but for entertainment only. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio - the authoritative site for US radio info. http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/3514/index.html - Peter George's "RadioDXer" site, including the "UHF Morgue" http://www.dxfm.com - excellent TV/FM propagation info -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA Dan Strassberg wrote: > Garrett: Since you don't usually do anything without a reason that makes > sense at least to you, I assume you are trying to teach the list members a > lesson. Well, maybe you will succeed, but your omission of a link or links > from the message to which I am replying strikes me as simply dumb! THIS IS A > RULE for EVERYONE who sends e-mails to a list or just to an individual or > individuals in an attempt to promote traffic at a Web site: Your message > should include A LINK to the target site. The more difficult you make it for > the recipients of your message to take the action the message proposes, the > less likely the suggestion you proffer will elicit the desired response. > (And all this time, I thought the rule was self-evident.) > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 6 14:25:41 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:25:41 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <18022.13878.623578.345096@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4665FB5D.7282.5C3B15@joe.attorneyross.com>, <18022.13878.623578.345096@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4666B5D5.18490.32D454@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Jun 2007 Garrett Wollman wrote: > Pretty much. It's an astroturf campaign backed by Verizon trying to > bypass local franchise authorities (i.e., cities and towns) and get > the General Court to give it a statewide cable TV franchise, in which > it would be allowed to serve only those customers it felt like (i.e., > the most profitable ones), unlike the incumbent cable TV companies who > must serve everyone in their licensed service areas. > > As with all campaigns, there is an equal and opposite astroturf > operation acting as a front for Comcast. I've heard radio spots from > both urging me to contact my state legislators and support or oppose > this legislation. Thanks, I had an inkling it was something like that. When a campaign has some gut-reaction slogan like "choice and competition" and is short on the specifics, it's a good guess. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 6 15:05:00 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:05:00 -0500 Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <20070606190500.4A8C41158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Weil" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: RE: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:09:53 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Roger Kirk > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:03 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? > > From a professional acquaintance that is up much earlier (i.e. > before 8:00 am) than I: > "In the last couple of days, WBZ aired one of their news bite > montage promos - the tag line at the end was: >> You got questions, We've got answers!" >> Now where have I heard that one before? >I think a more accurate in reality version of the Rat Shack slogan is "You've got questions, we've got blank stares"! >From the derisive posts about Radio Shack that have appeared since this thread first appeared, I think some of you might get a laugh from a recent entry at the satirical site "The Onion". Since the article is now in the archives, it appears that no specific URL works, but under the Doctrine of Fair Use, here are a few lines from it. The headline reads: "Even CEO Can't Figure Out How Radio Shack Is Still in Business". It opens with: "After a thorough review of its operations, Radio Shack CEO Julian Day could provide no real explanation for the analog-riddled company's staying power" Later in the article he is also quoted as saying: "There must be some sort of business model that enables Radio Shack to make money, but I'll be damned if I know what it is". One of the theories advanced for Radio Shack's longevity is the possibility that there are still countless Radio Shack gift cards out there, and when some recipients of these items find themselves in a mall with a Radio Shack store, they wander in and try to redeem them for something, ANYTHING. The article closes with a plaintive description of an incognito visit by CEO Day to one of his outlets: "It was about as inviting as a visit to the DMV". -- Get a free http://www.mail.com account & e-mail address today! Choose from over 100 personalized domains. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Jun 7 09:42:45 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:42:45 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <46680B55.5060608@Gmail.com> One of our esteemed radiophytes, Laurence Glavin, wrote, > From the derisive posts about Radio Shack that have appeared since > this thread first appeared, I think some of you might get a laugh > from a recent entry at the satirical site "The Onion". Since the > article is now in the archives, it appears that no specific URL > works, You didn't look (or should I say "Google") hard enough P=): http://www.theonion.com/content/news/even_ceo_cant_figure_out_how ?> The Onion is not intended for readers under 18 years of age. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jun 7 13:14:43 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:14:43 -0500 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690 Message-ID: <20070607171443.7655F49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Big City Radio, a pirate at 101.3,can be picked up in Beverly and Salem with a half decent car stereo ...reggae, maybe some r&b/rap... broadcasting from somewhere in Boston. Not sure of the wattage, but it ain't licensed... Also was running what sounded like an ad for some kind of event (a bunch of local businesses/restaurants, etc. were mentioned as part of it). I'm guessing that if the station makes money, they don't report it to the IRS...Described as "urban/tropical" on a site I found listing "low power radio" in the area. Also coming in strong in Salem (have picked up before): 1690 WRCI R.Creole Inter, Lynn - French news/talk, AM Stereo (according to Baconti's site). Also breaking the law...based on Union St. in Lynn according to their site. "Radio Creole was founded to give choices to different ethnic groups that live in the Northshore area." Well, be advised that WMWM does run some ethnic programming as does WLYN (though time is sold out on the latter, we've heard...) Not sure how long the FCC will take to take action against them. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 7 13:14:07 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:14:07 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? Message-ID: <20070607171407.5950A478092@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ Borrowing A Slogan? >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:42:45 +0000 >One of our esteemed radiophytes, Laurence Glavin, wrote, > From the derisive posts about Radio Shack that have appeared since > this thread first appeared, I think some of you might get a laugh > from a recent entry at the satirical site "The Onion". Since the > article is now in the archives, it appears that no specific URL > works, >You didn't look (or should I say "Google") hard enough P=): >http://www.theonion.com/content/news/even_ceo_cant_figure_out_how ?> The Onion is not intended for readers under 18 years of age. ~Kaimbridge~ How do you like that! Usually if a URL works in Google it works on Yahoo! and vice versa , and I tried it on Yahoo! to no avail. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From readaaron@friedbagels.com Thu Jun 7 16:56:33 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:56:33 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act Message-ID: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> That's essentially correct, John...but the problem is that if this act passes, it will largely remove what little leverage local towns have over their cable provider to provide things like local access funds, carrying specific channels, providing regular maintenance, etc etc etc. All that stuff will be moved to up the state level, where it's much easier to ignore. I recommend reading up at Dan Kennedy's Media Nation blog, he's got a good summary there. http://medianation.blogspot.com/search/label/local%20access -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 I believe that it is a law that, if passed, would remove the cities' and towns' right to award cable franchises to one company (or two, in the areas where both Comcast and RCN both have them). This is an issue because Verizon wants to get FIOS into more areas, but many towns are requiring them to go through the same process the cable companies do to get a franchise. This is delaying FIOS rollout significantly, apparently. Verizon would MUCH rather deal with a single state-wide protocol and/or authority to get permission to build-out FIOS than being required to deal with 351 different authorizing bodies. John From dave@skywaves.net Thu Jun 7 20:05:59 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:05:59 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Let me start be saying that I am, in general, not a great fan of Verizon. There are things that they do exceedingly well, however, and I gladly buy my cell phone service from them as a result. Another thing I would readily buy from VZ - if it were available - is FiOS. I recently moved from New Jersey, where FiOS was available, to Worcester, where it is not, and I have to say that I miss it very much. The NJ regulators franchised Verizon for the entire state, after which they rolled it out very quickly. The cable companies complained a lot, but none of them went out of business. FiOS is a fabulous service, and totally free of the restraints and problems that usually come with Verizon DSL and dialup service, which I wouldn't buy on any account. I had business-grade service with 5 fixed IPs and a direct pipe to the Internet - no blocking of Port 25 and the other nonsense that they put you through on the other services. I paid for "up to 15mbps" and never, ever, clocked it at less than 12. Charter's rates are through the roof compared with other areas of the country, and all I can say about their Internet service is that it's better than dialup. They could sure use the competition on both Internet and Video services. So from somebody who lived in a state that did what Massachusetts is considering, I say "go for it." Competition is a great thing, even if it does come from Verizon. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act > That's essentially correct, John...but the problem is that if this act > passes, it will largely remove what little leverage local towns have over > their cable provider to provide things like local access funds, carrying > specific channels, providing regular maintenance, etc etc etc. > > All that stuff will be moved to up the state level, where it's much easier > to ignore. > > I recommend reading up at Dan Kennedy's Media Nation blog, he's got a good > summary there. > > http://medianation.blogspot.com/search/label/local%20access > > -- > > > -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02446-2204 > > > > I believe that it is a law that, if passed, would remove the cities' > and towns' right to award cable franchises to one company (or two, in > the areas where both Comcast and RCN both have them). > > This is an issue because Verizon wants to get FIOS into more areas, > but many towns are requiring them to go through the same process the > cable companies do to get a franchise. This is delaying FIOS rollout > significantly, apparently. > > Verizon would MUCH rather deal with a single state-wide protocol > and/or authority to get permission to build-out FIOS than being > required to deal with 351 different authorizing bodies. > John > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 8 01:03:24 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:03:24 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Jun 2007 at 20:05, Dave Doherty wrote: > So from somebody who lived in a state that did what Massachusetts is > considering, I say "go for it." Competition is a great thing, even if > it does come from Verizon. I have no problem with the competition issue, but I don't see why Verizon can't go through the local communities, just as Comcast and RCN have done. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 8 01:04:01 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 01:04:01 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I have no problem with the competition issue, but I don't see why > Verizon can't go through the local communities, just as Comcast and > RCN have done. They want to be able to cherry-pick the most profitable customers, while leaving other areas unserved. Most communities won't allow that, and want to hold Verizon to the same build-out standards as the incumbent operators were held to. (RCN didn't mind having to serve lower-income areas of the communities they operate in, because their whole strategy was to aggressively target customers in MDUs[1] anyway.) They also don't want to have to fund or carry PEG[2] channels, since that (a) would put them at cost parity or even a disadvantage relative to the incumbents, given their cost of capital, and (b) would require them to have dedicated bandwidth in every community for channels which no one watches. -GAWollman [1] MDU: Multiple Dwelling Unit; i.e., an apartment or condominium building. [2] PEG: Public/Educational/Government [-access channels]. The FCC requires them to carry them, if they exist, but not to fund them. All cablecos want to get out of having to fund them, figuring (quite rightly) that their customers have no interest in either watching or paying for them, and if they stopped funding them, the local communities would not have money on their own to operate them any more. From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jun 8 12:17:47 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:17:47 -0400 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) Message-ID: <8C977FFB03104B8-B30-E5A1@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> There's quite a list of these stations at "http://members.aol.com/baconti/bostonLP.htm". Some of them have websites. A few stations on the list are licensed, most aren't. Some of the high-band AM stations have been heard as far as Newfoundland (on sensitive equipment of course). Some of these puppies have been on for YEARS with no FCC visits. Boston, like Miami and a few other cities, is a sort of "wild west" of pirate broadcasting operations. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA Bob Nelson wrote << Big City Radio, a pirate at 101.3,can be picked up in Beverly and Salem with a half decent car stereo ...reggae, maybe some r&b/rap... broadcasting from somewhere in Boston. Not sure of the wattage, but it ain't licensed... Also was running what sounded like an ad for some kind of event (a bunch of local businesses/restaurants, etc. were mentioned as part of it). I'm guessing that if the station makes money, they don't report it to the IRS...Described as "urban/tropical" on a site I found listing "low power radio" in the area. Also coming in strong in Salem (have picked up before): 1690 WRCI R.Creole Inter, Lynn - French news/talk, AM Stereo (according to Baconti's site). Also breaking the law...based on Union St. in Lynn according to their site. "Radio Creole was founded to give choices to different ethnic groups that live in the Northshore area." Well, be advised that WMWM does run some ethnic programming as does WLYN (though time is sold out on the latter, we've heard...) Not sure how long the FCC will take to take action against them. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 8 12:32:41 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:32:41 -0500 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) Message-ID: <20070608163241.B646449B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >>There's quite a list of these stations at "http://members.aol.com/baconti/bostonLP.htm". Some of them have websites. A few stations on the list are licensed, most aren't. Yes, and note that his page refers to these stations as "low power" (in Boston area), not purely as "pirates" because quite a few of them are legitimate--traveler's info, Logan Airport info, "local info" (RadioDerry for example), etc. I heard from someone at WFNX that there's an effort by that station as well as some other adjacents (WWBB Prov., WGIR-FM in NH) to contact the FCC and get the huge 101.3 Boston pirate shut down. He said that the 101.3 could be still picked up faintly in Andover. The 720 pirate from Dorchester is also quite audible up in Salem/Beverly area. Choice FM 102.9, as I've stated before, claims to have the call letters of WCFM which should come as news to the legit station in Williamstown which has them. On their site: "WCFM broadcasts at 2000 radiated watts from its studios in Dorchester, Massachusetts. Our broadcast radius extends into the Boston metro area for approximately 100 miles." If that's true (and I doubt it is!) they should have been shut down/seized/ operators arrested long ago. From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Jun 8 12:37:42 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:37:42 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act (FiOS) Message-ID: <466985D6.6050806@friedbagels.com> Let me start be saying that I am, in general, not a great fan of Verizon. There are things that they do exceedingly well, however, and I gladly buy my cell phone service from them as a result. Another thing I would readily buy from VZ - if it were available - is FiOS. I recently moved from New Jersey, where FiOS was available, to Worcester, where it is not, and I have to say that I miss it very much. ---------------- You're among the few, Dave. Check out this litany of unhappy FiOS consumers: http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/fios/ The classic is the first entry: RFJason documented the 6-month ordeal it took to get Verizon FiOS installed. It was a debacle, starting with his first customer service calls to get the fiber optic installed, like this quote from a customer service rep: "Sir, I think I know our products pretty well, and there's no such thing as fie-ohsss here. Maybe you're thinking of another company." -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jun 8 16:53:31 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:53:31 -0400 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) In-Reply-To: <20070608163241.B646449B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070608163241.B646449B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: At 11:32 AM -0500 6/8/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > >I heard from someone at WFNX that there's an effort by that station >as well as some other adjacents (WWBB Prov., WGIR-FM in NH) >to contact the FCC and get the huge 101.3 Boston pirate shut down. He said >that the 101.3 could be still picked up faintly in Andover. 101.3 is not adjacent to 101.7, it is what is referred to as a second adjacent. Any modern radio should have no trouble separating the two. A lot of the standards that the stations use to claim that a station has an interference potential are based on tube radios with IF transformers rather than filters. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Jun 9 17:50:28 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:50:28 -0400 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) Message-ID: > > From: Larry Weil > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:53:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) > > 101.3 is not adjacent to 101.7, it is what is referred to > as a second adjacent. Any modern radio should have no > trouble separating the two. You need to add another word to that. Any modern QUALITY radio should have no trouble separating the two. Try separating two powerful second-adjacents on virtually any modern clock radio, Walkman style portable, or "boom box". The cheap tuners that get Prudential "intermod" all over the dial when you're anywhere within about six miles of the building itself. They won't do it. EP From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jun 9 13:32:57 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:32:57 -0500 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) Message-ID: <20070609173257.25AA2102ED@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Weil" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Avast, ye pirates Just a reminder that "Talk Like A Pirate" Day is September 19th. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 10 01:04:39 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:04:39 -0500 Subject: Avast, ye pirates (Boston 101.3, Lynn 1690) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466B4017.28152.640FD8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Jun 2007 at 17:50, Eli Polonsky wrote: > Try separating two powerful second-adjacents on virtually > any modern clock radio, Walkman style portable, or "boom > box". The cheap tuners that get Prudential "intermod" all > over the dial when you're anywhere within about six miles > of the building itself. They won't do it. Right. I had a lot of trouble picking up WCRB 102.5 in my downtown office and in Brookline with several newer radios, but I've had no problem with 1960s-vintage tube sets. Or even with the solid-state Sylvania table radio that I bought in 1968. BTW, I moved my office last week, and I've found that in my new office, with that same Sylvania radio, I can pick up WCRB 99.5 with no antenna connected at all. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Jun 10 10:51:43 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:51:43 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> <18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> It seems illogical though that Verizon would want to cherry-pick inside a city or town though, since, even in the poorer communities, the purchase of phone and cable services are kinda standard. Speaking from experience, most lower-middle class folks choose to spend a bit more on cable because they don't have a ton of money to spend on entertainment outside of the home, like theaters, or buying/renting DVDs. In other words, more often than not, it's a captive audience. In addition, I've been noticing Verizon offering phone/DSL/cable via one of the dish channels with more channels than basic cable for $99 a month. Let me tell you, after looking at a current combined $185 phone/broadband/cable bill, another grand in my pocket annually instead of Comcast's isn't such a bad thing. As far as PEG stuff goes, I'm torn about how I feel about it. I've seen what great operations they have in Boston, Cambridge, and Somerville, and I've also enjoyed the programming in all three cities. SCAT does an amazing job and Boston's NNN and Talk of the Neighborhoods is great programming. It always seemed a worthy cost in those communities, since the bulk of the costs for PEG are just passed on by the cable companies to their customers anyway. Why would Verizon be complaining about that? On the flip though, I've seen what has happened here in Concord, N.H. The media access center is an embarrassment. It's not worth the $240k-plus we pay for it, especially when we used to only pay $60k for it. It has few original programs which are repeated over and over again. During the renewal talks with Comcast two years ago, the city tried to force Comcast to donate two more channels to the access center. Comcast laughed that proposal off after they started tracking the broadcasts and found that 91 percent of the programming was repeats or billboard notices. The local newspaper complained that the programs are "like a couch left on the curb" and said of the station's picture quality: "no, you don't need glasses, it's the TV." Despite an influx of $350k for capital equipment last year, the government meeting coverage looks like it is 14th generation tape. It has also been alleged that a few years back, a sitting city councilor conspired to oust the station's original executive director. She then took the job for herself, and later, had an outreach coordinator position created for her. Despite constant outcry about these actions, the council refuses to do anything about it. In fact, despite cuts to the city budget, including a number of departments and services for the poor, the non-profit that runs the PEG stations are scheduled to receive additionally $11k and will be hiring a fourth full-time person, along with two part-timers. You would think this is some town in Massachusetts but no, it's New Hampshire. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:04 AM To: A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Cable Choice and Competition Act < said: > I have no problem with the competition issue, but I don't see why > Verizon can't go through the local communities, just as Comcast and > RCN have done. They want to be able to cherry-pick the most profitable customers, while leaving other areas unserved. Most communities won't allow that, and want to hold Verizon to the same build-out standards as the incumbent operators were held to. (RCN didn't mind having to serve lower-income areas of the communities they operate in, because their whole strategy was to aggressively target customers in MDUs[1] anyway.) They also don't want to have to fund or carry PEG[2] channels, since that (a) would put them at cost parity or even a disadvantage relative to the incumbents, given their cost of capital, and (b) would require them to have dedicated bandwidth in every community for channels which no one watches. -GAWollman [1] MDU: Multiple Dwelling Unit; i.e., an apartment or condominium building. [2] PEG: Public/Educational/Government [-access channels]. The FCC requires them to carry them, if they exist, but not to fund them. All cablecos want to get out of having to fund them, figuring (quite rightly) that their customers have no interest in either watching or paying for them, and if they stopped funding them, the local communities would not have money on their own to operate them any more. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jun 10 11:48:31 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:48:31 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com><18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> Message-ID: <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> How many people actually watch public access stations? Does the service really justify the mandatory tax paid by all cable subscribers? I think the whole system is driven by the ego of local politicians who like to be on TV. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jun 10 13:33:09 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:33:09 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> <18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> Message-ID: <18028.13781.159789.83375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It seems illogical though that Verizon would want to cherry-pick inside a > city or town though, since, even in the poorer communities, the purchase of > phone and cable services are kinda standard. > Speaking from experience, most lower-middle class folks choose to spend a > bit more on cable because they don't have a ton of money to spend on > entertainment outside of the home, like theaters, or buying/renting DVDs. In > other words, more often than not, it's a captive audience. There's obviously a balancing act for any would-be cable company: lower-income neighborhoods are generally denser, and therefore cheaper to serve, but the subs are generally a greater credit risk, and may not spend as much on more-profitable services like pay-per-view, premium movie channels, and high-speed Internet. In Verizon's case it may be worse: I think their fiber-to-the-curb technology is actually *more* expensive in denser neighborhoods. But the real issue, I think, is cost of capital. If the franchising authority says "you must serve everyone in town within five years", that requires them to build out a much bigger network (which may never be used to capacity) than if they confine their efforts to those most likely to subscribe. -GAWollman From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jun 10 13:02:48 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:02:48 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <006601c7ab81$2cdcd7b0$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> OK, now you've hit below the belt (as a "local politician" that was on local access cable for over a decade from 1993-2006.....) Seriously, you might be surprised how many people actually watch the Tuesday Night Council meetings here in Derry. During my tenure as a Town Councilor, I can't tell you how many times strangers would walk up to me thanking me for my service on the Council and saying the watch the Council meetings (either live or replay). I have to come down on the side of being a staunch supporter of Local Public Access Cable... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH (Derry ZBA 93-96; Town Council 1996-2005; Charter Commission 2006...all on local access cable) PS: Also a 2nd term NH State Rep...wishes Ch 11/NHPTV would broadcast proceedings... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Billings Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:49 AM To: radiotony; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Cable Choice and Competition Act How many people actually watch public access stations? Does the service really justify the mandatory tax paid by all cable subscribers? I think the whole system is driven by the ego of local politicians who like to be on TV. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jun 10 13:15:54 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:15:54 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com> <18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> Message-ID: At 10:51 AM -0400 6/10/07, radiotony wrote: >In addition, I've been noticing Verizon offering phone/DSL/cable via one of >the dish channels with more channels than basic cable for $99 a month. For an introductory period (1 year?) only. After that, they figure they got you hooked, and charge the regular, higher rates. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 14:09:53 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:09:53 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com><18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> > How many people actually watch public access stations? Does the service > really justify the mandatory tax paid by all cable subscribers? I think just having council/selectment/comittee meetings beamed into every household in town is very valuable. I would not like to see us go back to a time when city officials would vote something in at 11:02PM after the last 3 citzens had left the chambers. The accountability has been a great step forward. From pete@partnercomm.com Sun Jun 10 17:36:01 2007 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One other thing to remember with FIOS is that as part of having fiber run directly to your house by Verizon is that you *will* lose access to the copper pairs that were already there. The last step in the successful fiber installation is the destruction of the original copper infrastructure. No more DSL option. Your choices (if you decided you didn't like FIOS, for whatever reason), would now just be your cable provider (if you have one), or a wireless or satellite-based ISP. No more "telecom"-based services. -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Larry Weil wrote: > At 10:51 AM -0400 6/10/07, radiotony wrote: > > >In addition, I've been noticing Verizon offering phone/DSL/cable via one of > >the dish channels with more channels than basic cable for $99 a month. > > For an introductory period (1 year?) only. After that, they figure > they got you hooked, and charge the regular, higher rates. > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jun 10 19:40:17 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:40:17 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706102340.l5ANeJbd023898@mac.com> At 05:36 PM 6/10/2007, Peter Murray wrote: >One other thing to remember with FIOS is that as part of having fiber run >directly to your house by Verizon is that you *will* lose access to the >copper pairs that were already there. The last step in the successful >fiber installation is the destruction of the original copper >infrastructure. > >No more DSL option. Your choices (if you decided you didn't like FIOS, for >whatever reason), would now just be your cable provider (if you have one), >or a wireless or satellite-based ISP. No more "telecom"-based services. Wouldn't the law require them to give you phone service, either by fiber or by copper, if you quit FIOS (provided you were current on the bill)? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Jun 10 19:53:45 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:53:45 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <001101c7a960$cb882400$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <46689CCC.28037.1982C30@joe.attorneyross.com><18024.58177.644722.903393@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net> <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <000b01c7abba$95f22690$c1d673b0$@net> Well, you mean every household which subscribes to a cable service. :-) Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:10 PM To: Dan Billings Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Cable Choice and Competition Act > How many people actually watch public access stations? Does the service > really justify the mandatory tax paid by all cable subscribers? I think just having council/selectment/comittee meetings beamed into every household in town is very valuable. I would not like to see us go back to a time when city officials would vote something in at 11:02PM after the last 3 citzens had left the chambers. The accountability has been a great step forward. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 11 02:32:46 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:32:46 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net>, <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <466CA63E.856.939743@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jun 2007 at 11:48, Dan Billings wrote: > How many people actually watch public access stations? Does the > service really justify the mandatory tax paid by all cable > subscribers? > > I think the whole system is driven by the ego of local politicians who > like to be on TV. It probably varies from one town to another, but there seem to be a lot of people who watch Brookline Town Meeting. And of course, we Town Meeting Members watch the repeats. The Board of Selectmen are watched by many, including I'm sure, people who are interested in one or another issue that comes before the Selectmen. Brookline High graduation is probably watched, and perhaps recorded, by the graduates and their families. Other local events, not involving politicians, are watched and recorded at least by their participants and their families. Other local-access programs have their special audience. It isn't large, but I've always thought that's partly because the programs aren't promoted as well as commercial or even PBS programs. I know that Joseph Gallant used to (perhaps still does) have a program on Norwood cable, which I believe may even have been syndicated to other cable systems. I appeared on his show once to talk about old-time radio, and I was impressed with the size of his studio audience of teenagers, who asked remarkably knowledgeable questions (such as "Why did Zeppo leave the Marx Brothers movies?"). -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 11 02:32:47 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:32:47 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <466CA63F.4289.93981E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jun 2007 at 14:09, Don A wrote: > I think just having council/selectment/comittee meetings beamed into > every household in town is very valuable. > > I would not like to see us go back to a time when city officials would > vote something in at 11:02PM after the last 3 citzens had left the > chambers. > > The accountability has been a great step forward. Amen! In Brookline, the Selectmen used to meet every Tuesday starting at 4 PM, then break for dinner, and resume at 8. Only the evening portion was televised. They started to tend to put the most controversial agenda items on in the afternoon, un-televised portion. This eventually caused a warrant article at Town Meeting requiring the entire meeting to be televised, which now happens. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jun 11 09:10:21 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:10:21 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <466CA63E.856.939743@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <003601c7ab6e$dd05de10$97119a30$@net>, <78026D20F4ED477F8E41DD9A3F84C562@DanBillingsPC> <466CA63E.856.939743@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <466D49BD.6040104@cssinc.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I know that Joseph Gallant used to (perhaps still does) have a > program on Norwood cable, which I believe may even have been > syndicated to other cable systems. I appeared on his show once to > talk about old-time radio, and I was impressed with the size of his > studio audience of teenagers, who asked remarkably knowledgeable > questions (such as "Why did Zeppo leave the Marx Brothers movies?"). > > Well, why did he? Brian Vita From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jun 11 19:14:01 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:14:01 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <466CA63F.4289.93981E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <466CA63F.4289.93981E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> When I was young, we had these things called newspapers that actually covered local government meetings. They had people that they called reporters who went to the meetings and then wrote stories that could be read in minutes telling what happened. Instead of spending the whole evening watching a meeting to see the one or two things that you cared about, you could read what happened over breakfast. Of course, most newspapers long ago end such coverage. I wonder if the tax on cable TV could go to subsidizing the coverage of local government in local newspapers? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From xtrovato@yahoo.com Mon Jun 11 21:46:05 2007 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <890267.26519.qm@web35911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > I wonder if the tax on cable TV could go to > subsidizing the coverage of > local government in local newspapers? What? And kill more trees? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From me@billoneill.us Mon Jun 11 21:30:50 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:30:50 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <006401c7ab8a$dfa1ade0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <466CA63F.4289.93981E@joe.attorneyross.com> <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <466DF74A.8040109@billoneill.us> Dan Billings wrote: > They had people that they called reporters who went to the meetings > and then wrote stories that could be read in minutes telling what > happened. I'm on a school board in Vermont. The meetings are live and replayed on the local access channel. So, I can only assume that the local paper cleans what it wants from the video. On those rare occasions when there is a real, live reporter at the meeting it does make a difference in much of how business transpires. It may be in the subtle stuff such as how board members or visitors act, react, and contribute. As it should be. Having grown up in a very news-oriented home and in the former full-contact sport market of Boston, it can be quite a let-down when public business just sort of ... happens. Not that there are many earth-shattering events in local town or school business, but it is something that could garner eyeballs to the page (and adverts thereon). The raw feeds of municipal meetings do have a place, but... Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 12 01:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <466D49BD.6040104@cssinc.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <466CA63E.856.939743@joe.attorneyross.com>, <466D49BD.6040104@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <466DE424.25747.3FF8A5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Jun 2007 at 9:10, Brian Vita wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > I know that Joseph Gallant used to (perhaps still does) have a > > program on Norwood cable, which I believe may even have been > > syndicated to other cable systems. I appeared on his show once to > > talk about old-time radio, and I was impressed with the size of his > > studio audience of teenagers, who asked remarkably knowledgeable > > questions (such as "Why did Zeppo leave the Marx Brothers movies?"). > > > > > Well, why did he? He wasn't really part of the act, he was an employee of the other brothers, he didn't have a comedy role, and his screen time was diminishing with each movie. He decided to go into business as an agent. Gummo, the fifth brother, soon joined him in the agency and, in fact, handled the three brothers' accounts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 12 01:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <466CA63F.4289.93981E@joe.attorneyross.com>, <0F47511B43C94839B553352BF567F82C@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <466DE424.19141.3FF903@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Jun 2007 at 19:14, Dan Billings wrote: > When I was young, we had these things called newspapers that actually > covered local government meetings. They had people that they called > reporters who went to the meetings and then wrote stories that could > be read in minutes telling what happened. Instead of spending the > whole evening watching a meeting to see the one or two things that you > cared about, you could read what happened over breakfast. > > Of course, most newspapers long ago end such coverage. Unfortunately, the business model for most local papers has changed. It used to be that people would buy the newspaper, and subscriptions plus ads were enough to make a profit. But the old subscription- supported model failed in more recent times when sales started to decline. Now, most local papers are given away free and entirely supported by ads. This no doubt limits the space available for news coverage. I remember when school committee and selectmen's minutes used to appear regularly in the local paper. You don't see that any more now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rickkelly@gmail.com Tue Jun 12 09:22:15 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:22:15 -0400 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <466DE424.25747.3FF8A5@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com> <466CA63E.856.939743@joe.attorneyross.com> <466D49BD.6040104@cssinc.com> <466DE424.25747.3FF8A5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10706120622s5aea6e70w4bd8a02d01464d6f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: RE: "Why did Zeppo leave the Marx Brothers movies? > He wasn't really part of the act, he was an employee of the other > brothers, he didn't have a comedy role, and his screen time was > diminishing with each movie. He decided to go into business as an > agent. Watching those first Marx Bros films, Zeppo seemed uncomfortable. He wisely resigned from his film roles. > Gummo, the fifth brother, soon joined him in the agency and, > in fact, handled the three brothers' accounts. I thought Gummo was a lot older than the others, too, but could be mistaken. Did they ever have a regular radio show, I wonder (just to keep this the subject at hand...) -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com ("This month featuring LARRY GLICK!") From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 12 14:31:40 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:40 -0500 Subject: Cable Choice and Competition Act In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10706120622s5aea6e70w4bd8a02d01464d6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <46687101.2040300@friedbagels.com>, <466DE424.25747.3FF8A5@joe.attorneyross.com>, <521b7fd10706120622s5aea6e70w4bd8a02d01464d6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466EA03C.3698.109210@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Jun 2007 Rick Kelly wrote: > I thought Gummo was a lot older than the others, too, but could be > mistaken. Did they ever have a regular radio show, I wonder (just to > keep this the subject at hand...) Gummo was actually fourth. Chico was the oldest, then Harpo, then Groucho, then Gummo, then Zeppo. Gummo left the act to go into the Army during World War I and never returned. There were a number of radio shows, mostly either Groucho alone or Groucho with Chico. Harpo made very few radio appearances for obvious reasons. Groucho and Chico did a short-lived comedy called "Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel," about a law office. Few of those episodes exist now, but the BBC re-created them from the scripts a few years back. It was originally called "Beagle, Shyster & Beagle," but a real-life attorney Beagle threatened to sue, so they changed the name. They explained the name change by having the secretary tell someone over the phone that her boss got a divorce and returned to his maiden name. There was also an even shorter-lived news parody, modeled after Time Magazine's "The March of Time." It was called "The Marx of Time," with Groucho and Chico, and you can use your imagination to guess what it was like. Groucho hosted a variety show called the Pabst Blue Ribbon Hour for maybe one season. Finally, John Guidel pursuaded him to do a quiz show, so that he would have a vehicle for his ad-libbing. That was the highly successful "You Bet Your Life," which ran for 14 years on radio and television. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From songbook2@comcast.net Tue Jun 12 18:21:07 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:21:07 -0700 Subject: Terrestrial online radio Message-ID: <466F1C53.6070704@comcast.net> News you can use! Today's New York Times reports that a tumultuous time for Internet-only webcasters is coinciding with a push by terrestrial broadcasters to expand their presence online. Here's the story from NYTimesOnline: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/arts/music/12RADIO.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=music&oref=slogin There is a newly imposed royalty rate increase with a July 15th deadline for the webcasters (and, apparently there will be terrestrial broadcasters as well, eventually) so - what to do? Go here and participate. Thanks. http://www.savenetradio.org/ From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jun 12 19:04:09 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:04:09 -0400 Subject: Terrestrial online radio In-Reply-To: <466F1C53.6070704@comcast.net> References: <466F1C53.6070704@comcast.net> Message-ID: Not trying to come off snippy here, but what does this have to do with Boston radio, or New England radio for that matter? Most of us on this list have probably been following this story on the major industry sites like All Access, Radio & Records, etc. There's nothing in this post that ties into anything locally. Is there a major webcaster based in this area that might be affected? How are the corporate clusters in our region handling their online presence? Next time, don't spam up our mailboxes with your "save internet radio" crap unless you actually can discuss how it affects our area specifically. Thanks. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > News you can use! Today's New York Times reports that a tumultuous > time for Internet-only webcasters is coinciding with a push by > terrestrial broadcasters to expand their presence online. Here's the > story from NYTimesOnline: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/arts/music/12RADIO.html? > _r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=music&oref=slogin > > There is a newly imposed royalty rate increase with a July 15th > deadline for the webcasters (and, apparently there will be terrestrial > broadcasters as well, eventually) > so - what to do? Go here and participate. Thanks. > > http://www.savenetradio.org/ > From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jun 12 19:39:15 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:39:15 -0400 Subject: Portland radio changes Message-ID: <21825D90BBC04478906A73A88AE7CF6D@DanBillingsPC> WCYI and WCLZ are now owned by a trust, due to Citadel's purchase of the ABC stations. As of today, WCYI simulcasts WCLZ instead of WCYY. More details at: http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=113197&ac=PHnws From me@billoneill.us Tue Jun 12 20:28:07 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:28:07 -0400 Subject: Terrestrial online radio In-Reply-To: References: <466F1C53.6070704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <466F3A17.9020107@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > Not trying to come off snippy here, but Next time, don't spam > up our mailboxes with your "save internet radio" crap unless you > actually can discuss how it affects our area specifically. Thanks. Streaming audio and satellite radio has had an impact on the dwindling radio share of the pie. I don't see the downside to terrestrial radio if streaming audio gets a boot on the neck. It crosses all demos. Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 21:39:53 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Terrestrial online radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <877234.40072.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> You manage to come off very snippy! (For someone "not trying to".) --- David Tomm wrote: > Not trying to come off snippy here, but what does > this have to do with > Boston radio, or New England radio for that matter? > Most of us on this > list have probably been following this story on the > major industry > sites like All Access, Radio & Records, etc. > There's nothing in this > post that ties into anything locally. Is there a > major webcaster based > in this area that might be affected? How are the > corporate clusters in > our region handling their online presence? Next > time, don't spam up > our mailboxes with your "save internet radio" crap > unless you actually > can discuss how it affects our area specifically. > Thanks. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > > > News you can use! Today's New York Times reports > that a tumultuous > > time for Internet-only webcasters is coinciding > with a push by > > terrestrial broadcasters to expand their presence > online. Here's the > > story from NYTimesOnline: > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/arts/music/12RADIO.html? > > > _r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=music&oref=slogin > > > > There is a newly imposed royalty rate increase > with a July 15th > > deadline for the webcasters (and, apparently there > will be terrestrial > > broadcasters as well, eventually) > > so - what to do? Go here and participate. > Thanks. > > > > http://www.savenetradio.org/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 21:55:03 2007 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Terrestrial online radio In-Reply-To: <877234.40072.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <861090.82605.qm@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do we have a new moderator, David Tomm? --- "Donald A." wrote: > > You manage to come off very snippy! > (For someone "not trying to".) > > > > --- David Tomm wrote: > > > Not trying to come off snippy here, but what does > > this have to do with > > Boston radio, or New England radio for that > matter? > > Most of us on this > > list have probably been following this story on > the > > major industry > > sites like All Access, Radio & Records, etc. > > There's nothing in this > > post that ties into anything locally. Is there a > > major webcaster based > > in this area that might be affected? How are the > > corporate clusters in > > our region handling their online presence? Next > > time, don't spam up > > our mailboxes with your "save internet radio" crap > > unless you actually > > can discuss how it affects our area specifically. > > Thanks. > > > > -Dave Tomm > > "Mike Thomas" > > > > > > On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > > > > > News you can use! Today's New York Times > reports > > that a tumultuous > > > time for Internet-only webcasters is coinciding > > with a push by > > > terrestrial broadcasters to expand their > presence > > online. Here's the > > > story from NYTimesOnline: > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/arts/music/12RADIO.html? > > > > > _r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=music&oref=slogin > > > > > > There is a newly imposed royalty rate increase > > with a July 15th > > > deadline for the webcasters (and, apparently > there > > will be terrestrial > > > broadcasters as well, eventually) > > > so - what to do? Go here and participate. > > Thanks. > > > > > > http://www.savenetradio.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. > Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 13 00:43:16 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:43:16 -0500 Subject: Terrestrial online radio In-Reply-To: References: <466F1C53.6070704@comcast.net>, Message-ID: <466F2F94.11308.5E0F0A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Jun 2007 at 19:04, David Tomm wrote: > Not trying to come off snippy here, but what does this have to do with > Boston radio, or New England radio for that matter? Most of us on > this list have probably been following this story on the major > industry sites like All Access, Radio & Records, etc. Well, I haven't. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 13 08:48:49 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:48:49 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... Message-ID: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> When in Burlington VT, I taped some WXXX 95.5 for a tape trader. Turns out they were doing a syndie show that also runs on stations like Kiss 108: the Open House Party with John Garabedian (hmm! I'd heard that name before...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garabedian I'd known of WVJV-TV, "V-66", our own version of MTV (a project with Woo Woo Ginsburg) and WGTR... Anyway, the show I taped featured CHR music by request and a brief interview with Avril Lavigne. The Open House Party site has more info on John (as well as a portrait of the late Sunny Joe White). You may know of this guy... "At the age of 17, John joined Worcester station WORC-AM as a disc jockey. Several years after joining, he became a co-host of the original Open House Party radio program...In 1969, John and partners founded WGTR-AM (now WBIX) as a top-40 station serving MetroWest from Natick...Two years after MTV's 1981 debut, John and fellow WMEX alumnus Arnie Ginsburg started a Boston-area 24-hour music video station, WVJV-TV" (Open House Party started in 1987 on Kiss 108...he does it from any of his 3 homes: suburban Boston; Vermont, and the Cape) http://www.openhouseparty.com/history.html V-66 (remember those bumper stickers?) played music videos a la MTV...they played some by local artists as part of that (and another indie UHF station in town, WQTV-TV 68, used to have a show--Friday nights at 6, I think?-- that would play videos or taped performances by local bands. This was a station which used to scramble its signal and play movies (pay TV) but at times the signal was unscrambled. As for V-66... http://www.worcestermass.com/dynamix/v66.shtml "The VJs were some of the best and the brightest in Boston -- John Garabedian (now doing "Open House Party" on Saturday night radio) and David O'Leary (now at WBOS 92.9) among them. Also, I remember a bizarre commercial that Garabedian and Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg did when the Patriots were playing the Bears in the Super Bowl -- they had a teddy bear bound and gagged and tortured it between videos." The comments bring back memories... David O'Leary was a VJ. Artists played (local) included New Man, The Stompers, and Robert Ellis Orrall. The logo, as seen on the page linked above, had a purple "V", slightly off kilter, with yellow lightning bolts that form a "66" in the middle Other comments on that page show that V-66 viewers fondly remember them playing local artists such as The Fools, Digney Fignus, New Man, Rods & Cones, The Lyres, Rubber Rodeo, Ball & Pivot, Til Tuesday & The November Group. From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jun 13 10:36:07 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:36:07 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <010101c7adc8$2e5ba190$6501a8c0@pastor2> I remember John Garabedian when he was "Johnny Gardner" on WPTR and WORC. Haven't heard him in years. Ah, the memories! He was a class act. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > When in Burlington VT, I taped some WXXX 95.5 for a tape trader. Turns out they were doing a syndie > show that also runs on stations like Kiss 108: the Open House Party with John Garabedian (hmm! I'd > heard that name before...) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garabedian > > I'd known of WVJV-TV, "V-66", our own version of MTV (a project with Woo Woo Ginsburg) and WGTR... > Anyway, the show I taped featured CHR music by request and a brief interview with Avril Lavigne. The > Open House Party site has more info on John (as well as a portrait of the late Sunny Joe White). You > may know of this guy... > > "At the age of 17, John joined Worcester station WORC-AM as a disc jockey. Several years after joining, he became a co-host of the original Open House Party radio program...In 1969, John and partners founded WGTR-AM (now WBIX) as a top-40 station serving MetroWest from Natick...Two years after MTV's 1981 debut, John and fellow WMEX alumnus Arnie Ginsburg started a Boston-area 24-hour music video station, WVJV-TV" > > (Open House Party started in 1987 on Kiss 108...he does it from > any of his 3 homes: suburban Boston; Vermont, and the Cape) > > http://www.openhouseparty.com/history.html > > V-66 (remember those bumper > stickers?) played music videos a la MTV...they played some by local artists as part of that > (and another indie UHF station in town, WQTV-TV 68, used to have a show--Friday nights at 6, I think?-- > that would play videos or taped performances by local bands. This was a station which used to scramble > its signal and play movies (pay TV) but at times the signal was unscrambled. > > As for V-66... > http://www.worcestermass.com/dynamix/v66.shtml > > "The VJs were some of the best and the brightest in Boston -- John Garabedian (now doing "Open House Party" on Saturday night radio) and David O'Leary (now at WBOS 92.9) among them. Also, I remember a bizarre commercial that Garabedian and Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg did when the Patriots were playing the Bears in the Super Bowl -- they had a teddy bear bound and gagged and tortured it between videos." > > The comments bring back memories... > > David O'Leary was a VJ. Artists played (local) included New Man, The Stompers, and Robert Ellis Orrall. > The logo, as seen on the page linked above, had a purple "V", slightly off kilter, with yellow lightning > bolts that form a "66" in the middle > > Other comments on that page show that V-66 viewers fondly remember them playing local artists such as > The Fools, Digney Fignus, New Man, Rods & Cones, The Lyres, Rubber Rodeo, Ball & Pivot, Til Tuesday & The November Group. > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 13 09:40:26 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:40:26 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The subject line made me wonder whether Garabedian had passed away. I don't think so; I believe he is still very much alive. Wikipedia is not infallible and I note that it is the source of the 1969 date for the founding of WGTR. I'm quite sure that Home Service Broadcasting, the original licensee of WGTR, was founded several years before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did not sign on until several years after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972; the month was most likely November). There were a lot of legal complications. The FCC granted Home Service's application pretty early on but then rescinded the grant of a CP shortly afterward when a competing applicant protested that its application had not been considered. WGTR maintaned that the competing app had not been timely filed and therefore was not entitled to consideration. Although the FCC concurred, the competing applicant protested and the applications were designated for a hearing. Before the hearing could took place, however, Home Service bought out the competing applicant. This resulted in changing the proposed transmitter site from the foot of Oak St on the east side of Natick, just south of Route 9, to Kendall Ave in S Natick (which I believe was property that the competing applicant had secured). Kendall Ave was a superior site for serving MetroWest because of its proximity to Framingham (and Sherborn), but it was also a few miles closer to KYW, which resulted in WGTR having to use a very short (56-degree, 140') tower to keep its radiation efficiency down to the FCC's Class II-D AM minimum of 175 mV/m/kW @ 1 mile. WGTR could neither exceed the minimum nor fall below it. Other stations besides WORC and WMEX where Garabedian worked before putting WGTR on the air were WESO and WPTR. I suspect that he got the idea for the WGTR calls from WPTR. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > When in Burlington VT, I taped some WXXX 95.5 for a tape trader. Turns out they were doing a syndie > show that also runs on stations like Kiss 108: the Open House Party with John Garabedian (hmm! I'd > heard that name before...) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garabedian > > I'd known of WVJV-TV, "V-66", our own version of MTV (a project with Woo Woo Ginsburg) and WGTR... > Anyway, the show I taped featured CHR music by request and a brief interview with Avril Lavigne. The > Open House Party site has more info on John (as well as a portrait of the late Sunny Joe White). You > may know of this guy... > > "At the age of 17, John joined Worcester station WORC-AM as a disc jockey. Several years after joining, he became a co-host of the original Open House Party radio program...In 1969, John and partners founded WGTR-AM (now WBIX) as a top-40 station serving MetroWest from Natick...Two years after MTV's 1981 debut, John and fellow WMEX alumnus Arnie Ginsburg started a Boston-area 24-hour music video station, WVJV-TV" > > (Open House Party started in 1987 on Kiss 108...he does it from > any of his 3 homes: suburban Boston; Vermont, and the Cape) > > http://www.openhouseparty.com/history.html > > V-66 (remember those bumper > stickers?) played music videos a la MTV...they played some by local artists as part of that > (and another indie UHF station in town, WQTV-TV 68, used to have a show--Friday nights at 6, I think?-- > that would play videos or taped performances by local bands. This was a station which used to scramble > its signal and play movies (pay TV) but at times the signal was unscrambled. > > As for V-66... > http://www.worcestermass.com/dynamix/v66.shtml > > "The VJs were some of the best and the brightest in Boston -- John Garabedian (now doing "Open House Party" on Saturday night radio) and David O'Leary (now at WBOS 92.9) among them. Also, I remember a bizarre commercial that Garabedian and Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg did when the Patriots were playing the Bears in the Super Bowl -- they had a teddy bear bound and gagged and tortured it between videos." > > The comments bring back memories... > > David O'Leary was a VJ. Artists played (local) included New Man, The Stompers, and Robert Ellis Orrall. > The logo, as seen on the page linked above, had a purple "V", slightly off kilter, with yellow lightning > bolts that form a "66" in the middle > > Other comments on that page show that V-66 viewers fondly remember them playing local artists such as > The Fools, Digney Fignus, New Man, Rods & Cones, The Lyres, Rubber Rodeo, Ball & Pivot, Til Tuesday & The November Group. > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jun 13 11:03:20 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:03:20 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <010b01c7adcb$fb6e88c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> It was certainly in the early '70s, because I was out of college and back living in the Gardner-Fitchburg area. The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > The subject line made me wonder whether Garabedian had passed away. I don't > think so; I believe he is still very much alive. > > Wikipedia is not infallible and I note that it is the source of the 1969 > date for the founding of WGTR. I'm quite sure that Home Service > Broadcasting, the original licensee of WGTR, was founded several years > before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did not sign on until several years > after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972; the month was most likely > November). There were a lot of legal complications. The FCC granted Home > Service's application pretty early on but then rescinded the grant of a CP > shortly afterward when a competing applicant protested that its application > had not been considered. WGTR maintaned that the competing app had not been > timely filed and therefore was not entitled to consideration. Although the > FCC concurred, the competing applicant protested and the applications were > designated for a hearing. Before the hearing could took place, however, Home > Service bought out the competing applicant. This resulted in changing the > proposed transmitter site from the foot of Oak St on the east side of > Natick, just south of Route 9, to Kendall Ave in S Natick (which I believe > was property that the competing applicant had secured). Kendall Ave was a > superior site for serving MetroWest because of its proximity to Framingham > (and Sherborn), but it was also a few miles closer to KYW, which resulted in > WGTR having to use a very short (56-degree, 140') tower to keep its > radiation efficiency down to the FCC's Class II-D AM minimum of 175 mV/m/kW > @ 1 mile. WGTR could neither exceed the minimum nor fall below it. > > Other stations besides WORC and WMEX where Garabedian worked before putting > WGTR on the air were WESO and WPTR. I suspect that he got the idea for the > WGTR calls from WPTR. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > > > When in Burlington VT, I taped some WXXX 95.5 for a tape trader. Turns out > they were doing a syndie > > show that also runs on stations like Kiss 108: the Open House Party with > John Garabedian (hmm! I'd > > heard that name before...) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garabedian > > > > I'd known of WVJV-TV, "V-66", our own version of MTV (a project with Woo > Woo Ginsburg) and WGTR... > > Anyway, the show I taped featured CHR music by request and a brief > interview with Avril Lavigne. The > > Open House Party site has more info on John (as well as a portrait of the > late Sunny Joe White). You > > may know of this guy... > > > > "At the age of 17, John joined Worcester station WORC-AM as a disc jockey. > Several years after joining, he became a co-host of the original Open House > Party radio program...In 1969, John and partners founded WGTR-AM (now WBIX) > as a top-40 station serving MetroWest from Natick...Two years after MTV's > 1981 debut, John and fellow WMEX alumnus Arnie Ginsburg started a > Boston-area 24-hour music video station, WVJV-TV" > > > > (Open House Party started in 1987 on Kiss 108...he does it from > > any of his 3 homes: suburban Boston; Vermont, and the Cape) > > > > http://www.openhouseparty.com/history.html > > > > V-66 (remember those bumper > > stickers?) played music videos a la MTV...they played some by local > artists as part of that > > (and another indie UHF station in town, WQTV-TV 68, used to have a > show--Friday nights at 6, I think?-- > > that would play videos or taped performances by local bands. This was a > station which used to scramble > > its signal and play movies (pay TV) but at times the signal was > unscrambled. > > > > As for V-66... > > http://www.worcestermass.com/dynamix/v66.shtml > > > > "The VJs were some of the best and the brightest in Boston -- John > Garabedian (now doing "Open House Party" on Saturday night radio) and David > O'Leary (now at WBOS 92.9) among them. Also, I remember a bizarre commercial > that Garabedian and Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg did when the Patriots were > playing the Bears in the Super Bowl -- they had a teddy bear bound and > gagged and tortured it between videos." > > > > The comments bring back memories... > > > > David O'Leary was a VJ. Artists played (local) included New Man, The > Stompers, and Robert Ellis Orrall. > > The logo, as seen on the page linked above, had a purple "V", slightly off > kilter, with yellow lightning > > bolts that form a "66" in the middle > > > > Other comments on that page show that V-66 viewers fondly remember them > playing local artists such as > > The Fools, Digney Fignus, New Man, Rods & Cones, The Lyres, Rubber Rodeo, > Ball & Pivot, Til Tuesday & The November Group. > > > > > > > > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 13 11:02:06 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:02:06 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <010b01c7adcb$fb6e88c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <002201c7adcb$cfaf7fa0$e6994c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Drown To: Dan Strassberg ; Bob Nelson ; Boston Radio Interest Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > < WGTR, was founded several years before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did > not sign on until several years > after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972;>> > > It was certainly in the early '70s, because I was out of college and back > living in the Gardner-Fitchburg area. > 1972 sounds right. I discovered it as a senior in high school, which would have been 1972-73, and being the obsessed BCB (broadcast band) monitor I was back then, it's unlikely GTR's presence would have escaped me for long. Garabedian used to split airtime with Don Kelley on GTR. There was one newscaster, Jim McAllister ... not sure whatever happened to him. I believe Mark Parenteau worked at GTR for a while, too. Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 13 11:16:59 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:16:59 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... Message-ID: <20070613151659.D01AF83BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes, as I made the post I thought for a second "I have to be careful not to put a subject in that will make it seem like he's passed on"--probably should not have used the words "memories of". I wanted to bring up discussion of his past career in Boston media but no, he is still among us and I heard him on Sunday night up in VT. From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Jun 13 12:46:32 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:46:32 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... Message-ID: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> << The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! -Doug >> GT (in car-speak Gran Turismo, so therefore cool-sounding) + WPTR could be one explanation. Also GTR is musician's shorthand for 'guitar' and quite likely what suggested John's callsign pick (and that of proto-WAAF perhaps). Later on there was an '80s band GTR that had a couple of hits. I thought WAAB-FM went straight to the WAAF calls sometime in the '70s. What was WAAB-AM is now WVEI-1440 Worcester. WGTR-1060 had a fair signal into Arlington in the mid '70s but could be slopped by WBZ and WILD on "broader" radios. It took a lot of nosedives going under powerlines so it wasn't suitable for in-car entertainment. John used several sign-off songs (yes, WGTR was a daytimer) including "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin and "Feel the Benefit" by 10cc. Humor, sometimes risque, was part of the overall entertainment plan. Both WGTR and later V-66 played a decent amount of local talent, as did WBCN's Maxanne Sartori. I remember Reddy Teddy among other local bands in the '70s. One of my work friends Mark Hallberg managed a band October which got airplay in the '80s on WBCN, WFNX, and maybe V-66 TV as well. These were kids from the Burlington-Woburn area who met at UMass Amherst. There were (/ are) many such bands around metro-Boston going way back to the '60s days of Teddy & the Pandas, Barbarians, et al. A few were discovered but most just wound up keeping their "day jobs" and entertaining their friends at local bars, backyard parties, and - yes - garages. The talent level of undiscovered bands frequently surpassed that of bands that did have hits. John H. Garabedian's WMEX days were memorable. I think this was approximately 1969-1972. In the summer of '70, three college-age friends of mine (Chuck O'Neal, Chris Leary, and Tim Smith) worked at the WMEX transmitter site in North Quincy. I'd visit there sometimes during Garabedian's show and during a show put on by someone named "Cousin Duffy". Both of these guys played a lot of album cuts, progressive rock, and hard rock within the confines of what a Top 40 station like WMEX would dare to play. Obviously 'BCN had a lot more latitude, but WMEX was quite forward-thinking and experimental compared to its main AM competition over at WRKO. By this time, you may recall that WBZ had bailed out of serving up rock music. Their halcyon days of experimentation were the mid '60s when Dick Summer, Jefferson Kaye, and Bruce Bradley introduced folk-rock (Dylan, Baez, Richard & Mimi Farina), blues (Paul Butterfield), and acid-rock to Boston radio when WBCN was still a classical station. A handful of low-powered college stations were the only other places progressive rock could be heard. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jun 13 13:08:13 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:08:13 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> Hi Mark, very interesting!! I worked at the WMEX transmitter site '68-'69, weekends, while attending Grahm Jr College. Lots of fun with Mac Richmond calling when there was a 1 ms outage. I can picture every bit of that building!! I also talked to John H Garabedian who would ask for audio patches thru various pieced of equipment. Jon, W1MNK, Brandon FL USA markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > << > The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a > resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest > incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! > > -Doug >>> > > GT (in car-speak Gran Turismo, so therefore cool-sounding) + WPTR > could be one explanation. Also GTR is musician's shorthand for > 'guitar' and quite likely what suggested John's callsign pick (and > that of proto-WAAF perhaps). Later on there was an '80s band GTR that > had a couple of hits. > > I thought WAAB-FM went straight to the WAAF calls sometime in the > '70s. What was WAAB-AM is now WVEI-1440 Worcester. > > WGTR-1060 had a fair signal into Arlington in the mid '70s but could > be slopped by WBZ and WILD on "broader" radios. It took a lot of > nosedives going under powerlines so it wasn't suitable for in-car > entertainment. > > John used several sign-off songs (yes, WGTR was a daytimer) including > "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin and "Feel the Benefit" by 10cc. > Humor, sometimes risque, was part of the overall entertainment plan. > Both WGTR and later V-66 played a decent amount of local talent, as > did WBCN's Maxanne Sartori. I remember Reddy Teddy among other local > bands in the '70s. One of my work friends Mark Hallberg managed a > band October which got airplay in the '80s on WBCN, WFNX, and maybe > V-66 TV as well. These were kids from the Burlington-Woburn area who > met at UMass Amherst. There were (/ are) many such bands around > metro-Boston going way back to the '60s days of Teddy & the Pandas, > Barbarians, et al. A few were discovered but most just wound up > keeping their "day jobs" and entertaining their friends at local bars, > backyard parties, and - yes - garages. The talent level of > undiscovered bands frequently surpassed that of bands that did have hits. > > John H. Garabedian's WMEX days were memorable. I think this was > approximately 1969-1972. In the summer of '70, three college-age > friends of mine (Chuck O'Neal, Chris Leary, and Tim Smith) worked at > the WMEX transmitter site in North Quincy. I'd visit there sometimes > during Garabedian's show and during a show put on by someone named > "Cousin Duffy". Both of these guys played a lot of album cuts, > progressive rock, and hard rock within the confines of what a Top 40 > station like WMEX would dare to play. Obviously 'BCN had a lot more > latitude, but WMEX was quite forward-thinking and experimental > compared to its main AM competition over at WRKO. By this time, you > may recall that WBZ had bailed out of serving up rock music. Their > halcyon days of experimentation were the mid '60s when Dick Summer, > Jefferson Kaye, and Bruce Bradley introduced folk-rock (Dylan, Baez, > Richard & Mimi Farina), blues (Paul Butterfield), and acid-rock to > Boston radio when WBCN was still a classical station. A handful of > low-powered college stations were the only other places progressive > rock could be heard. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 13 13:30:18 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:30:18 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> <4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >>Doug said-- >>The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a >>resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest >>incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! Well, all I know (and I don't know much!) is that the WGTR calls go back to November of 1943, when the late great John Shepard 3rd's FM station, originally called W1XOJ and then W43B, was re-named with the call letters WGTR. That stood for General Tire Company, named after the company which had purchased a controlling interest in the Yankee Network. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 13 13:49:26 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:49:26 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> <4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46702E26.4040003@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > >>> Doug said-- >>> The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a >>> resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest >>> incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! > > Well, all I know (and I don't know much!) is that the WGTR calls go back > to November of 1943, when the late great John Shepard 3rd's FM station, > originally called W1XOJ and then W43B, was re-named with the call > letters WGTR. That stood for General Tire Company, named after the > company which had purchased a controlling interest in the Yankee Network. > > "General Tire and Rubber," to be specific, wasn't it? s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 13 14:54:39 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:54:39 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com><4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001501c7adec$ac99dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The WGTR calls in Paxton must have stood either for General Tele-Radio or General Tire and Rubber. I kind of think 1943 was well before General Tire and Rubber established the wholely owned Radio/TV subsidiary General Tele-Radio. General Tele-Radio held all of General Tire's broadcast licenses but it was, AFAIK, 100% owned by General Tire. Besides the Yankee Network, General Tire may have owned several other regional networks that, together, constituted a large part of the Mutual Network (which I don't think General Tire owned). Networks that General Tire may have owned in whole or in part include Don Lee Broadcasting on the West Coast, Intermountain Network in the Rockies, and the Texas State Network in (of course) Texas. Stations besides WNAC that General Tire held included WOR, KFRC, KHJ, WHBQ, and (I think) a station in DC--maybe WWDC. General Tire also somehow controlled (perhaps through an LMA) CKLW even though the Big 8 was not/is not a US station. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Jon Maguire" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > >>Doug said-- > >>The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a > >>resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest > >>incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! > > Well, all I know (and I don't know much!) is that the WGTR calls go > back to November of 1943, when the late great John Shepard 3rd's FM > station, originally called W1XOJ and then W43B, was re-named with the > call letters WGTR. That stood for General Tire Company, named after > the company which had purchased a controlling interest in the Yankee Network. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 13 15:04:21 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:04:21 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <010b01c7adcb$fb6e88c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <002201c7adcb$cfaf7fa0$e6994c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002701c7aded$b972a060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I've heard that Jim McAllister died quite a few years ago at a VERY early age. He had left radio and had gone into his family's landscaping business. He was WGTR's one-person news department and the news on WGTR sounded absolutely professional--top flight. WGTR had a stringer at the State House: Kevin McNicholas, who I guess produced reports for several other stations--and I believe that he is doing it to this day--35 years later. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Dan Strassberg" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Drown > To: Dan Strassberg ; Bob Nelson > ; Boston Radio Interest > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > > > < > WGTR, was founded several years before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did > > not sign on until several years > > after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972;>> > > > > It was certainly in the early '70s, because I was out of college and back > > living in the Gardner-Fitchburg area. > > > > 1972 sounds right. I discovered it as a senior in high school, which would > have been 1972-73, and being the obsessed BCB (broadcast band) monitor I was > back then, it's unlikely GTR's presence would have escaped me for long. > > Garabedian used to split airtime with Don Kelley on GTR. There was one > newscaster, Jim McAllister ... not sure whatever happened to him. I believe > Mark Parenteau worked at GTR for a while, too. > > Howard > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 13 15:10:08 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:10:08 -0500 Subject: Herald: Barnicle doesn't want WTKK morning gig Message-ID: <20070613191011.6878B83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> I had read that Mike Barnicle wasn't too crazy about doing an "extended shift" and this blog entry on the Herald's website confirms it. (He'll keep doing the show for now...) http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/messengerBlog/?p=315#respond "Greater Media, Inc. announced today that after much discussion, Mike Barnicle has decided to remove himself from consideration for the vacant morning show host opening on 96.9 FM Talk-WTKK in Boston. The decision was based on Barnicle?s contractual obligations with NBC Television and his upcoming commitments pertaining to the 2008 presidential election." From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Jun 13 15:46:45 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:46:45 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <002701c7aded$b972a060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <010b01c7adcb$fb6e88c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <002201c7adcb$cfaf7fa0$e6994c0c@oemcomputer> <002701c7aded$b972a060$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <521b7fd10706131246m43b164e8mb82965772f66c0f7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/07, Dan Strassberg wrote: > WGTR had a stringer at the State House: > Kevin McNicholas, who I guess produced reports for several other > stations--and I believe that he is doing it to this day--35 years later. I hear Kevin McNicholas everyday on WFCR, Amherst from the State House. -- -RK From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jun 13 22:36:04 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:36:04 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com><4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001501c7adec$ac99dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <014801c7ae2c$c1ef0690$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I think I'm correct in saying that General Tire (RKO General) fully owned CKLW, and was forced to sell it shortly before it lost the licenses to its other broadcasting properties --- this because the Canadian Radio and Television Commission had passed an edict stating that non-Canadian companies were no longer going to be able to own Canadian radio and TV stations. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > The WGTR calls in Paxton must have stood either for General Tele-Radio or > General Tire and Rubber. I kind of think 1943 was well before General Tire > and Rubber established the wholely owned Radio/TV subsidiary General > Tele-Radio. General Tele-Radio held all of General Tire's broadcast licenses > but it was, AFAIK, 100% owned by General Tire. Besides the Yankee Network, > General Tire may have owned several other regional networks that, together, > constituted a large part of the Mutual Network (which I don't think General > Tire owned). Networks that General Tire may have owned in whole or in part > include Don Lee Broadcasting on the West Coast, Intermountain Network in the > Rockies, and the Texas State Network in (of course) Texas. Stations besides > WNAC that General Tire held included WOR, KFRC, KHJ, WHBQ, and (I think) a > station in DC--maybe WWDC. General Tire also somehow controlled (perhaps > through an LMA) CKLW even though the Big 8 was not/is not a US station. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Jon Maguire" ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > > > > > >>Doug said-- > > >>The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a > > >>resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest > > >>incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! > > > > Well, all I know (and I don't know much!) is that the WGTR calls go > > back to November of 1943, when the late great John Shepard 3rd's FM > > station, originally called W1XOJ and then W43B, was re-named with the > > call letters WGTR. That stood for General Tire Company, named after > > the company which had purchased a controlling interest in the Yankee > Network. > > > > > From lspin@comcast.net Thu Jun 14 00:06:01 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:06:01 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8C97BF188403460-E74-14B@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com><4670247D.2000906@tampabay.rr.com> <20070613173026.89B6C44C0E6@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002a01c7ae39$52777d80$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I had always heard that GTR stood for "Garabedian's Terrific Radio." -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM To: Jon Maguire; markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... >>Doug said-- >>The WGTR calls probably came from WPTR or they were intended as a >>resurrection of the original WGTR, which I believe was the earliest >>incarnation of what is now WAAF. Donna, help us out here! Well, all I know (and I don't know much!) is that the WGTR calls go back to November of 1943, when the late great John Shepard 3rd's FM station, originally called W1XOJ and then W43B, was re-named with the call letters WGTR. That stood for General Tire Company, named after the company which had purchased a controlling interest in the Yankee Network. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 14 02:17:12 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:17:12 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Jun 2007 at 9:40, Dan Strassberg wrote: > 1969 date for the founding of WGTR. I'm quite sure that Home Service > Broadcasting, the original licensee of WGTR, was founded several years > before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did not sign on until several > years after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972; the month was most > likely November). That sounds about right in terms of what I remember. I remember that I was living in my first apartment when WGTR first appeared, and that would be 1972-73. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 14 02:12:23 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:12:23 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20070614061231.2C80A68DAC3@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:17 AM 6/14/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 13 Jun 2007 at 9:40, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > 1969 date for the founding of WGTR. I'm quite sure that Home Service > > Broadcasting, the original licensee of WGTR, was founded several years > > before 1969 (maybe 1966) and that WGTR did not sign on until several > > years after 1969 (I'm almost positive it was 1972; the month was most > > likely November). Yes, in a Boston Globe interview in 1985, Garabedian said that WGTR went on the air in 1972, so Dan has a good memory!!! I checked back in all of the North America TV & Radio Station Guides that I own, and found no listing for it in 1966, but it did show up in the 1970 edition. I don't recall it being on the air in 1970, however-- John H. was still with WMEX, if I recall correctly. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jun 14 06:25:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:21 -0500 Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show Message-ID: <20070614102521.7F7E649B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The Herald reports that Mike Barnicle not only will NOT take the "Imus slot" at WTKK, he's leaving the station altogether (at least as a daily talk show host, even if just for an hour, as before--Greater Media says he still will have a role at the station...maybe call-ins to certain shows to talk about the Presidential race, I'd think). He will be at 96.9 until a replacement is found. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=1006349 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jun 14 08:07:06 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:07:06 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <20070614061231.2C80A68DAC3@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070614061231.2C80A68DAC3@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: >I don't recall it being on the air in 1970, however-- John H. was still with > WMEX, if I recall correctly. You recall correctly, Donna. I was with WRKO from 1970-1973 and competition with WMEX & John H peaked during that time - until Mr. Richmond died. From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Jun 14 09:59:52 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070614061231.2C80A68DAC3@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <36902.63.118.166.2.1181829592.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Markwa1ion@aol.com wrote... > > WGTR-1060 had a fair signal into Arlington in the mid '70s but could be > slopped by WBZ and WILD on "broader" radios. It took a lot of > nosedives going under powerlines so it wasn't suitable for in-car > entertainment. > > WGTR was also the first station I ever heard that did voicetracking. I recall them doing it around '74/75 (or maybe earlier). Of course the reel-to-reel automation systems of the day weren't as sophisticated as modern ones, and it wasn't uncommon to have the voicetracks get out of sync with the music. I believe the old 103.3 WEEI-FM was also voicetracked around the same time. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 10:13:21 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:13:21 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> References: <20070613124849.129D083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <002901c7adc1$6d26c820$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <46709718.14163.5B473F@joe.attorneyross.com> <20070614061231.2C80A68DAC3@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706140713t5adb437j1ac448a3beb4eb2b@mail.gmail.com> Bob Howard took over after Mac died and WMEX would never be heard from again as a Top 40 station. The other Richmond brother (Dick) knew nothing about radio nice history of WMEX can be found here http://www.bambinomusical.com/David/WMEX.html But John and Arnie Ginsburg hit megabugs with Channel 66 when they sold it to Home Shopping Network for mega-millions. On 6/14/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > > You recall correctly, Donna. I was with WRKO from 1970-1973 and > competition with WMEX & John H peaked during that time - until Mr. > Richmond died. > > From gallen2@nescaum.org Thu Jun 14 12:10:34 2007 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:10:34 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed, WEEI FM was voicetracked back then; I spent a summer working there during college. It was of course a rather crude system. The voicetrack was dumped over the music by cutting one music channel out, putting the voicetrack on the other, and mixing the whole thing down to mono... I recall it was [mostly?] Paul Benzaquin doing the voicetrack, proving you could be in 2 places at once. -- George At 12:00 PM 6/14/2007, you wrote: From: "Steve Ordinetz" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... WGTR was also the first station I ever heard that did voicetracking. I recall them doing it around '74/75 (or maybe earlier). Of course the reel-to-reel automation systems of the day weren't as sophisticated as modern ones, and it wasn't uncommon to have the voicetracks get out of sync with the music. I believe the old 103.3 WEEI-FM was also voicetracked around the same time. From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jun 14 14:35:54 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:35:54 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... Message-ID: Yes, WGTR came on in 1972. From late 1969 to early 1971 there was a strong pirate called "WEGN" on 1060 AM, some guys in a Waltham basement with an old converted shortwave transmitter playing progressive free-form album rock with horrible audio fidelity. It was heard all over the western suburbs, weakly into Boston, and was reported DX'ed as far as Nashua, NH and Worcester. Because the frequency calibration on the old unit was unstable, there were horrible heterodynes with KYW at night which varied in tone depending on how long that their transmitter had been running and how warm it was getting. They went off the air the year before WGTR came on, claimed that their transmitter died. I'm sure they would've gotten in trouble if John H. had found them still on the air in '72. My high school friends and I dropped by and visited John H. on the air at WGTR in the house he converted to studios in 1972. He was very friendly. He claimed we were "behind the times" because we were still hippie kids into jamming out to the Grateful Dead and the Allman Brothers. He claimed that progressive orchestrated rock such as the Moody Blues, Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Yes (all of which I also enjoyed) were what was happening in AOR at the time. EP > > From: Donna Halper > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: "A. Joseph Ross" , > "Dan Strassberg" > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:12:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > Yes, in a Boston Globe interview in 1985, Garabedian said > that WGTR went on the air in 1972, so Dan has a good memory!!! > I checked back in all of the North America TV & Radio Station > Guides that I own, and found no listing for it in 1966, but it > did show up in the 1970 edition. I don't recall it being on the > air in 1970, however-- John H. was still with WMEX, if I recall > correctly. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 14:49:39 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:49:39 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770706141149h50401c5eg8301c56042741852@mail.gmail.com> As far as I know John can still be heard on Saturday nights on WXKS-FM. http://www.openhouseparty.com/ I remember he brought Wendy, WMEX's music director with him to WGTR and have no idea what happened to her. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 15:10:32 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:10:32 -0400 Subject: snippets from Uncle Gus Message-ID: <4fc429770706141210p2eb0654at5567dd1be4c9d0dc@mail.gmail.com> 2 snippets of Uncle Gus have appeared on youtube. There were 3 hosts of the show on WMUR. Gus Bernier ( who passed away in 2005) , Ray Harris ( now in a Manchester nursing home )and Steve Thomas ( who was also the first Ronald McDonald in New England and is still performing magic in the area) The 2 clips are from when Steve was doing the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-N1Qs9ujc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2Qc5ZDUMQ From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 14 12:46:50 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:46:50 -0500 Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show Message-ID: <20070614164651.526D9102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:21 -0500 > he's leaving the station altogether He's leaving the station! (Did I ever tell you that "Airplane" is my favorite comedy movie?) -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jun 14 21:15:01 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:15:01 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? Message-ID: <002f01c7aeea$99573cc0$a6d38018@Mark> The Boston Phoenix is reporting that WGBH-FM will be dropping Christopher Lydon's "Open Source" show next month, despite Lydon's production company having raised enough money to keep the show going through the Summer after the program's former distributor backed out. The Phoenix report quotes a WGBH spokesperson wishing Lydon good luck. Here's a link to the Phoenix article: http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=e750a313-41cf-4395-8235-21753e5a9bd0 Mark Watson From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 21:33:06 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <46712F6A.4060509@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Roger Kirk wrote: > I was with WRKO from > 1970-1973 and > competition with WMEX & John H peaked during that > time Roger, what was the mood inside the WRKO building when WMEX was challenging (and sometimes beating) WRKO's dominance. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jun 15 04:37:15 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:37:15 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? In-Reply-To: <002f01c7aeea$99573cc0$a6d38018@Mark> References: <002f01c7aeea$99573cc0$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: Sounds like the show is pretty much dead after getting dropped by PRI, and WGBH is attempting to recoup their studio fees while the show still has some cash on hand. Update that resume, Chris.... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Phoenix is reporting that WGBH-FM will be dropping > Christopher Lydon's "Open Source" show next month, despite Lydon's > production company having raised enough money to keep the show going > through the Summer after the program's former distributor backed out. > The Phoenix report quotes a WGBH spokesperson wishing Lydon good luck. > > Here's a link to the Phoenix article: > http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=e750a313-41cf-4395 > -8235-21753e5a9bd0 From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jun 15 04:56:13 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:56:13 -0400 Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show In-Reply-To: <20070614102521.7F7E649B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070614102521.7F7E649B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Seems to me Barnicle didn't see eye to eye with the new program director. The article mentions that the station wanted to pair him with a revolving group of guest hosts, "Big Show" style. That didn't sit too well with Barnicle, and now he's out. Let's see how much he really does with the station once they figure out what they want to do with morning drive. Speaking of which.... The other nagging rumor I've heard--Imus returning? Neither WTKK nor WFAN seem to be in any great hurry to replace the I-man. Could they be waiting for things to cool down before bringing him back? Considering the lost revenue at WFAN and Imus' pending lawsuit, it may make sense for CBS Radio, which recently replaced their upper management, to put Imus back on the air. WTKK was a loyal, longtime Imus affiliate, and I'm sure they'd love to bring him back, even if he isn't on MSNBC anymore. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jun 14, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > The Herald reports that Mike Barnicle not only will NOT take the "Imus > slot" at WTKK, he's leaving the station > altogether (at least as a daily talk show host, even if just for an > hour, as before--Greater Media says he > still will have a role at the station...maybe call-ins to certain > shows to talk about the Presidential > race, I'd think). He will be at 96.9 until a replacement is found. > > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=1006349 > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 05:49:52 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <794843.84160.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David Tomm wrote: > The other nagging rumor I've heard--Imus returning? Neither WTKK nor > > WFAN seem to be in any great hurry to replace the I-man. Could they > be > waiting for things to cool down before bringing him back? Considering > > the lost revenue at WFAN and Imus' pending lawsuit, it may make sense > > for CBS Radio, which recently replaced their upper management, to put > > Imus back on the air. WTKK was a loyal, longtime Imus affiliate, and > > I'm sure they'd love to bring him back, even if he isn't on MSNBC > anymore. I said this at the time, that I wouldn't be surprised if he were brought back in 3 to 6 months. He'll say he's a reformed man, it'll be announced late on a Friday so it flies under the radar, and all will be well with the world. I would be surprised if some winkwink, nudgenudge WASN'T in existence in April when this all went down. McGuirk, though, I think his days on the show are done. ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From me@billoneill.us Fri Jun 15 06:59:53 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:59:53 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c7aeea$99573cc0$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <46727129.3000901@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > Sounds like the show is pretty much dead after getting dropped by PRI, > and WGBH is attempting to recoup their studio fees while the show > still has some cash on hand. Update that resume, Chris.... > Sounds like Chris needs another state check. Bill O'Neill From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 14:48:42 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:48:42 -0400 Subject: Barnicle to leave WTKK daily show References: <794843.84160.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00af01c7af7e$175169a0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> > I said this at the time, that I wouldn't be surprised if he were > brought back in 3 to 6 months. Well first he has to find a resolution to his contract dispute with CBS. (Or give up trying.) If CBS is going to pay him anything from the new contract, they would probably insist that he stay off the air for a time period agreed upon. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jun 15 15:10:57 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:10:57 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> Donald A. wrote: > Roger, what was the mood inside the WRKO building when WMEX was challenging (and sometimes beating) WRKO's dominance. > > It's hard to remember the chronology after all these years, but management and the jocks talked a lot about it behind closed doors. Of course, the jocks let us techs know a lot of the "juicy" stuff. There were a lot of changes in the on-air stuff and I can't be sure what was the direct result of competition and what was just evolution of the Drake format. It was around this time that they changed from single songs and short stop sets to two (or more) in a row with slightly longer stop sets. Also, the concept of adding LP cuts to the play list found favor. A nod, no doubt, to some of the LP cuts being played by WMEX as well as a realization that the FM stations were starting to encroach on AM's dominance. At first it started off conservatively with just 2 or three cuts added for spice. Then, it escalated to the point where the jocks were bringing in huge stacks of LP's from their collections so that certain cuts could be carted and added to the on-air rotation. The biggest add was In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - which I edited down to 9:40 from the original15+ minutes. We were congratulating ourselves on being TOO HIP FOR THE ROOM. The most hilarious point was when WRKO was accused (in a newspaper article) of adding LP cuts as a response to competition. Their official response was "Nonsense, we've always played LP cuts that merited airplay, blah blah, blah..." The news wars were funny. They streamlined the news and went to a "secret, hush-hush" two-day rotation, so that outside of drive time, the news was not always in the same hour e.g. if it were at 7:40, 9:40 and 11:40 on one day, the next day it would be at 6:40, 8:40 and 10:40 the next. It was intimated that letting this cat out of the bag was tantamount to treason and subject to instant excommunication. Without mentioning names, it was the subject of much discussion, snickering and ribbing after one of the evening jocks had a rendezvous with a female staffer from WMEX who applied "persuasion" in a vain attempt to extract 'secrets' fom him. 'Nuff said. Still, the on-air sound was constantly monitored, compared to WMEX and tweaked incessantly. The jocks groused among themselves that they were on too tight a leash and given the opportunity, they could be WAY more hip in their delivery and choice of music - if only given a chance. Three of the jocks all lived in the same apartment/condo complex in Framingham and gathering at one of their abodes to "discuss what's happenin'" was almost a daily ritual. Of course, the grousing continued. They all talked about how "I could do it SO much better" One Saturday night, it happened: One of the jocks decided it was time for the revolution. He "broke format". He decided what songs and in what order they would be played. He discarded the one-liners in favor of his own words. Of course, the "Bat Phone" rang. He answered it and hung up on the PD. It rang again and he repeated. After that, he refused to answer. As you might imagine, the engineering supervisor of the whole plant (AM, FM & TV) came upstairs and quietly explained to him that the police (who were literally next door) were coming and if he didn't leave quietly and quickly, things would get ugly. He left and guess which the board op was left to pick up the pieces. I ran the station jockless and following format until they could find a jock that was home and answering the phone. Turns out that nobody was at home then and the closest they could come up with was the Music Director who had been a Jock years ago. He lived about a mile away. You can imagine how nervous he was sitting in the BIG SEAT. I helped him through it until the midnight jock came in and relieved him. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Jun 15 17:30:54 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:30:54 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <032501c7af94$75614cc0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I loved WRKO in its earliest days, but that changed after the Drake format was introduced. I always thought it was formulaic, even though it got tweaked a little from time to time. There was a day-to-day, month-to-month sameness to it. Great jocks, but I would imagine they probably did feel like they were on a leash. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Donald A." Cc: ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > > Donald A. wrote: > > Roger, what was the mood inside the WRKO building when WMEX was challenging (and sometimes beating) WRKO's dominance. > > > > > It's hard to remember the chronology after all these years, but > management and the jocks talked a lot about it behind closed doors. Of > course, the jocks let us techs know a lot of the "juicy" stuff. There > were a lot of changes in the on-air stuff and I can't be sure what was > the direct result of competition and what was just evolution of the > Drake format. > > It was around this time that they changed from single songs and short > stop sets to two (or more) in a row with slightly longer stop sets. > Also, the concept of adding LP cuts to the play list found favor. A > nod, no doubt, to some of the LP cuts being played by WMEX as well as a > realization that the FM stations were starting to encroach on AM's > dominance. At first it started off conservatively with just 2 or three > cuts added for spice. Then, it escalated to the point where the jocks > were bringing in huge stacks of LP's from their collections so that > certain cuts could be carted and added to the on-air rotation. The > biggest add was In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - which I edited down to 9:40 from > the original15+ minutes. We were congratulating ourselves on being TOO > HIP FOR THE ROOM. The most hilarious point was when WRKO was accused > (in a newspaper article) of adding LP cuts as a response to > competition. Their official response was "Nonsense, we've always played > LP cuts that merited airplay, blah blah, blah..." > > The news wars were funny. They streamlined the news and went to a > "secret, hush-hush" two-day rotation, so that outside of drive time, the > news was not always in the same hour e.g. if it were at 7:40, 9:40 and > 11:40 on one day, the next day it would be at 6:40, 8:40 and 10:40 the > next. It was intimated that letting this cat out of the bag was > tantamount to treason and subject to instant excommunication. > > Without mentioning names, it was the subject of much discussion, > snickering and ribbing after one of the evening jocks had a rendezvous > with a female staffer from WMEX who applied "persuasion" in a vain > attempt to extract 'secrets' fom him. 'Nuff said. > > Still, the on-air sound was constantly monitored, compared to WMEX and > tweaked incessantly. The jocks groused among themselves that they were > on too tight a leash and given the opportunity, they could be WAY more > hip in their delivery and choice of music - if only given a chance. > Three of the jocks all lived in the same apartment/condo complex in > Framingham and gathering at one of their abodes to "discuss what's > happenin'" was almost a daily ritual. Of course, the grousing > continued. They all talked about how "I could do it SO much better" > One Saturday night, it happened: One of the jocks decided it was time > for the revolution. He "broke format". He decided what songs and in > what order they would be played. He discarded the one-liners in favor > of his own words. Of course, the "Bat Phone" rang. He answered it and > hung up on the PD. It rang again and he repeated. After that, he > refused to answer. As you might imagine, the engineering supervisor of > the whole plant (AM, FM & TV) came upstairs and quietly explained to him > that the police (who were literally next door) were coming and if he > didn't leave quietly and quickly, things would get ugly. He left and > guess which the board op was left to pick up the pieces. I ran the > station jockless and following format until they could find a jock that > was home and answering the phone. Turns out that nobody was at home > then and the closest they could come up with was the Music Director who > had been a Jock years ago. He lived about a mile away. You can imagine > how nervous he was sitting in the BIG SEAT. I helped him through it > until the midnight jock came in and relieved him. > > > From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jun 15 11:16:57 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:16:57 -0500 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? Message-ID: <20070615151657.CD6151F50F7@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Tomm" >To: "Mark Watson" >Subject: Re: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:37:15 -0400 >Sounds like the show is pretty much dead after getting dropped by >PRI, and WGBH is attempting to recoup their studio fees while the >show still has some cash on hand. Update that resume, Chris.... >Dave Tomm >"Mike Thomas" I wonder if people who made donations to keep "Open Source" going (including at least one super-size outlay) will want their $$$$$$$$ back. Another issue: WGBH-FM has been airing "On the Media" Friday nights at 7:00 pm since "Open Source" started in order to have an information block weeknights at that hour. When Chris's show departs, it seems reasonable that the jazz shows will start early Monday through Thursday at least; will 'GBH-FM continue to offer "OtM" Fridays? If not, I'll have to catch it Sundays on NHPR, WBUR, or on the internets. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jun 15 21:55:10 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:55:10 -0400 Subject: HD Radios Message-ID: <000a01c7afb9$5f823d90$6400a8c0@lysthia> Those of you on this list who know me, or at least notice my "signature" know that I am in the professional cinema business. As my business is evolving daily into a more audio/visual sales and support company, I've been adding new lines of products to accommodate my customer's needs. One of the new product lines is HD radios. Knowing that all of us on this list are radio geeks and/or gadget freaks, though mostly with limited budgets for new "toys", I'd like to offer an "accommodation" price to my friends on this list who are interested in picking up a new toy. If you are on this list and would like to pick up a new HD radio at less than the local "street" price (ie. You Screw-Em Electronics, et al), please contact me off-list and I will give you an "accommodation" price on the unit. You can view what I'm currently offering at: http://www.cssinccon.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CSSIC D&Category_Code=HDR That is a public webstore and the prices are "street retail". Yours will be lower. At this time I have three models from Sangean America and two from Visteon. They are all drop shipped directly from the distributor (as in, none here except for the one I'm ordering for myself). This is not meant to be a commercial solicitation but rather a way of saying thanks to the folks on this list for years of entertainment. Hopefully our moderator will see this as such. I will be making a similar offer to the jocks at WMWM who wish to purchase headphones. You're invited to check those out also, if you need some. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 16 01:39:23 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:39:23 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4673313B.15935.5C731D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Jun 2007 at 15:10, Roger Kirk wrote: > The news wars were funny. They streamlined the news and went to a > "secret, hush-hush" two-day rotation, so that outside of drive time, > the news was not always in the same hour e.g. if it were at 7:40, 9:40 > and 11:40 on one day, the next day it would be at 6:40, 8:40 and 10:40 > the next. It was intimated that letting this cat out of the bag was > tantamount to treason and subject to instant excommunication. I don't get it. Why is it a good think for the listener not to be able to find when the news is on? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jun 16 09:01:55 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:01:55 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4673313B.15935.5C731D@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <4673313B.15935.5C731D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4673DF43.9010209@ttlc.net> It was to confuse WMEX - they were programming music to cover our news slots. It was based on the concept that news was a tune-out (legally required, but a tune-out). Personally, I failed to see the major earth-shattering importance, either. A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 15 Jun 2007 at 15:10, Roger Kirk wrote: > >> The news wars were funny. They streamlined the news and went to a >> "secret, hush-hush" two-day rotation, so that outside of drive time, >> the news was not always in the same hour e.g. if it were at 7:40, 9:40 >> and 11:40 on one day, the next day it would be at 6:40, 8:40 and 10:40 >> the next. It was intimated that letting this cat out of the bag was >> tantamount to treason and subject to instant excommunication. > > I don't get it. Why is it a good think for the listener not to be > able to find when the news is on? > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 16 12:48:29 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:48:29 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4673DF43.9010209@ttlc.net> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <4673313B.15935.5C731D@joe.attorneyross.com> <4673DF43.9010209@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706160948k327ecc5q1a717249f74b9807@mail.gmail.com> Roger who was the jock that was escorted out? I can't remember what WMEX did in the spring of 1971 when Steve Fredricks left for WEEI to do sports. Roy Fox didn't come to do his talk show until 1973 and I can't think of anybody else there doing the talk show. Did WMEX go to 24 hour music under John H? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 16 12:53:23 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:53:23 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd Message-ID: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> For some reason WCVB just uploaded this to youtube Bill Harrington interviews Major Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtIh1lRFIM From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 16 14:08:27 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:08:27 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:53 PM 6/16/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >For some reason WCVB just uploaded this to youtube > >Bill Harrington interviews Major Mudd > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtIh1lRFIM When I did the Boston piece for Chronicle (which Scott was also in), the producer, Art Donahue, came to my house and we chatted about how much old footage just got tossed in the dumpster and never preserved. He kindly said he'd look around the station to see if anything was still left from the old days-- and he found a short clip of Big Brother Bob Emery,and perhaps also he found this Major Mudd piece-- from the tribute done when the poor guy was losing his sight and dying of kidney disease. There have been many advances in the treatment of diabetes since those days, but the good major died way too young... many of us watched his show and loved it. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jun 16 14:58:56 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:58:56 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706160948k327ecc5q1a717249f74b9807@mail.gmail.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <4673313B.15935.5C731D@joe.attorneyross.com> <4673DF43.9010209@ttlc.net> <4fc429770706160948k327ecc5q1a717249f74b9807@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467432F0.10108@ttlc.net> Jerry Morgan. Kevin Vahey wrote: > Roger who was the jock that was escorted out? > > I can't remember what WMEX did in the spring of 1971 when Steve > Fredricks left for WEEI to do sports. Roy Fox didn't come to do his > talk show until 1973 and I can't think of anybody else there doing the > talk show. Did WMEX go to 24 hour music under John H? > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 16 16:05:48 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:05:48 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd In-Reply-To: <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.com> Donna Is the reporter on the Major Mudd story Bill Harrington still alive? I seem to recall that he passed away a few years ago. Bill had quite the career in Boston media. He was the Bruins play by play announcer on radio for at least a year, played Bozo's brother Nozo on the old Channel 5 and was the Beacon Hill reporter for WCVB. His wife Jean was "Miss Jean" on Romper Room. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 16 18:09:58 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:09:58 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070616221006.618E9C09D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:05 PM 6/16/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Donna > >Is the reporter on the Major Mudd story Bill Harrington still alive? I >seem to recall that he passed away a few years ago. Bill passed away in 1998 at the age of 72. I keep an obit file of when most of the Boston broadcasters from earlier times passed away, so if you need the exact date, I have it. Major Mudd (Ed McDonnell) died in October 1979-- he was only 53... From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jun 16 19:29:31 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:29:31 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.com> <20070616221006.618E9C09D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00b001c7b06e$3163e570$6501a8c0@pastor2> This raises an interesting question: Who are the senior Boston area broadcasting personalities still with us, either still in greater Boston or not, and how old are they? --- I'm thinking of people like Jess Cain, Dave Maynard, Norm Prescott, Frank Avruch, Roy Leonard, Dick Tucker(!! --- I had no idea until fairly recently). . . Who would be the "elder statesman" (stateswoman)? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Major Mudd > At 04:05 PM 6/16/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >Donna > > > >Is the reporter on the Major Mudd story Bill Harrington still alive? I > >seem to recall that he passed away a few years ago. > > Bill passed away in 1998 at the age of 72. I keep an obit file of > when most of the Boston broadcasters from earlier times passed away, > so if you need the exact date, I have it. Major Mudd (Ed McDonnell) > died in October 1979-- he was only 53... > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 16 18:51:37 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:51:37 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd In-Reply-To: <00b001c7b06e$3163e570$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.com> <20070616221006.618E9C09D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <00b001c7b06e$3163e570$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770706161551n4b1b47bt2df4ef4cc39742af@mail.gmail.com> I believe Norm Prescott passed. Off top of my head I would say Fred B Cole is #1 with Don Kent and Don Gillis in the mix as is Fred Cusick. Art Lake in Providence may have record of longest on air in NE still alive. On 6/16/07, Doug Drown wrote: > This raises an interesting question: Who are the senior Boston area > broadcasting personalities still with us, either still in greater Boston or > not, and how old are they? --- I'm thinking of people like Jess Cain, Dave > Maynard, Norm Prescott, Frank Avruch, Roy Leonard, Dick Tucker(!! --- I had > no idea until fairly recently). . . Who would be the "elder statesman" > (stateswoman)? > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Major Mudd > > > > At 04:05 PM 6/16/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > >Donna > > > > > >Is the reporter on the Major Mudd story Bill Harrington still alive? I > > >seem to recall that he passed away a few years ago. > > > > Bill passed away in 1998 at the age of 72. I keep an obit file of > > when most of the Boston broadcasters from earlier times passed away, > > so if you need the exact date, I have it. Major Mudd (Ed McDonnell) > > died in October 1979-- he was only 53... > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 16 20:09:17 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:09:17 -0400 Subject: Major Mudd In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706161551n4b1b47bt2df4ef4cc39742af@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770706160953u594fb650occ7c9667a11e284b@mail.gmail.com> <20070616180835.7422D44C012@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706161305i7b1e34cbp225db5e3722ff130@mail.gmail.com> <20070616221006.618E9C09D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <00b001c7b06e$3163e570$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770706161551n4b1b47bt2df4ef4cc39742af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070617000926.061F91B400B@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 06:51 PM 6/16/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I believe Norm Prescott passed. And you are, sadly, correct. Real name Norman Pransky. He died in 2005 at age 78. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jun 17 15:01:26 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:01:26 -0400 Subject: Fw: MEDIA REPORT #3 to air starting mid-late this-coming week on WJIB and WJTO Message-ID: <001501c7b111$ec4bcee0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I asked Bob if he'd like me to post this to the list, because he can't (he can't seem to figure out how to send pure ASCII messages; as usual with his messages, the original was HTML). He authorized me to post it (see below), so there should be no questions about whether I have misappropriated copyrighted material. In addtion, I did not see a copyright notice. If you have comments, please be sure to copy Bob on your messages: Jibguy@aol.com. I am just the messenger! Hi Dan- Yes, you may do so; post it on Garrett's list. All well with you these days? Nothing much new here. BB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: MEDIA REPORT #3 to air starting mid-late this-coming week Media Report - June 2007 - to air on WJIB and WJTO RADIO There's a nationwide organization called the "Future of Music Coalition", whose energy is directed against conglomeration in the radio biz, and for diversity in radio formats, and encouraging the airing and exposure of new and varied artists. They recently issued a study saying that 75% of all commercial radio stations in America air only 15 different formats. Another one of their findings is that local-ownership of stations has dropped by about a third, in the past 30 years. - Responding to that was the National Association of Broadcasters who said in a press release: "The Future of Music Coalition's long history of producing questionable research and dubious data to fulfill its agenda-driven mission is apparent for all to see". Is the pot calling the kettle black here?- The National Association of Broadcasters has issued annual reports in recent years touting that broadcasting stations have dramatically increased public service time year after year. Most listeners might be scratching their heads on that statement. Other conclusions from the Future of Music Coalition are: ** the top 4 radio station corporate owners have almost half of all the listeners in the USA, and the top 10 corporate owners have almost 2/3rds of all listeners. **Niche music formats are usually provided by smaller radio groups or individual owners. Such niche formats mentioned are: classical, jazz, bluegrass, Americana. Folk, New Rock and even Adult-Standards fits into the orphan-format category. ** In 155 markets, radio listenership has declined by 22% in the past 18 years. They suggest that corporate consolidation is possibly to blame. That's a very valid point, but we all know that there is a another contributor to this, and that is new technology such as ipods and computer music downloads/and/sharing which makes radio sometimes irrelevant to many young people. Another study says that white males own 87% of all radio stations. And women represent only 1% of people at the head of corporate radio groups. FCC Commissioner Michael Copps says of minorities and women: "it's not that they're riding in the back of the bus, they're not even ON the bus." The Federal Communications Commission has reached a settlement of the recent-years' "pay-for-play" investigations. Four companies are ponying up significant cash as a penalty. Clear Channel had to pay $3.5 million, CBS 3 million, Entercom $4 million and Citadel $2-million. All companies have promised "reforms." - On May 14th, the Chairman of the FCC said the investigation is not over. They're currently looking at other large radio broadcasting companies. How's radio been doing billing-wise? Here in America, its been flat in the past 18 months, with some sub-categories dropping. All of this after a continual rise in revenues over the past 10 years. However, in Canada, radio station revenues are up almost 6% in 2006 at the same time ours went flat. Radio hobbyists have put together a list of unlicensed radio stations in the Boston area. A list of 26 AM stations and 25 FM stations; not all of which are presently on the air, and some who broadcast only at night, or weekends. For an unlicensed station to be legal, its signal should not go more than several city blocks, a small distance which is an unfamiliar trait of many of their signals. Those so-called infomercials heard on radio in half-hour blocks, disguised as radio talk-shows, peddling diet pills to get-rich-quick schemes... 10 years ago, they were only on the smallest stations in America. - Well, they're big in New York City.... even on most of the 50,000-watt AM radio stations, late at night. Those things started out and are still aired on the smaller stations in New York at any time of the day, and of course, in Boston too (but not HERE on this station). I wonder why the Federal Trade Commission is asleep on this.... Seems like they're in the latter-middle part of an ordered 8-year-long nap. A group called the "AM Daytimers Association" has submitted their approval for a proposal for rule-making to the FCC. ?to allow some low-power-at-night and no-power-at-night AM stations, to have a moderately-low-powered FM repeater station. This means, stations like WJIB and WJTO might be able to have their signals repeated on the FM dial. This is one of the very few efforts to assist smaller AM stations. But there ARE restrictions to this idea, and it is quite possible that the whole intent of the idea may be corrupted by Wall-Street broadcasters to somehow use it to their advantage thereby squeezing out the stations which really need it the most. See info on this on-line: Amdaytimers.org Radio formats in 2006.... the count is in.... how MANY stations are airing which formats... #1 is Country Music with over 2,000 stations doing it. A distant #2 is News/Talk with about 1350 stations... #3 is rock & pop oldies (late 60's to mid 80's) with 730 stations... And #4 are all the different kinds of Spanish stations... with 715 stations.... and #5 is adult-contemporary music stations usually heard on FM...with over 650 stations. Adult-STANDARDS stations, like this station... well we didn't make the list, but I'm sure we're near the bottom of the pile. But we probably beat the number of all-Farm-news stations. ? - - Last November & December, 412 stations went to an all holiday/Christmas music format; a record number. Remember 10-or-more years ago, a seacoast New Hampshire FM station did that, and we all laughed? You've all heard about the Dom Imus debacle.... Well another New York City on-air duo made some similar remarks about an Asian ethnic group LONG BEFORE Don's comments, and those previous anti-Asian comments were virtually ignored by ethnic advocacy groups. But when that same program aired again AFTER the Imus epoisode (as a radio taped re-run), then they protested, demanding that the on-air duo be fired. Just an interesting tid-bit of how "it worked once for someone else (with Imus), now its our turn". This is not to say that I condone ANY of the on-air comments made in New York City. A talk-master on another New York City big station, said that in HIS contract, there's a provision that says he can be terminated for offending any significant part of the community, but if he's not offending someone every day, then he's not doing the job that his wink-wink-nod-nod employer wants him to do. This is a situation that plagues most talk-show hosts these days, which keeps them tensely on the edge of their seats every time they sit in the studio. In early-June, an appellate court ruled that the FCC's laws against indecency in broadcasting, were invalid; which essentially negates restrictions on indecency. Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia is preparing legislation for Congress to step in, to give them control over the court decision, and even over the FCC, in an effort to keep obscenity OFF the air. Right now, technically, broadcast stations may broadcast most obscenities, but there's no rush by stations to test this out, at least not right away. Congress is looking to ban most pharmaceutical products on radio, TV, and print advertising. ?at least for a 3-year period, so the situation can be studied. The drug companies spent a whopping 5 & a half BILLION dollars in the media last year. - Imagine what it would be like the see the 6:30 PM network news without those ads! - Anyway, this started out as a proposed 3-year moratorium on just NEW drugs, in an effort to see how they work before mass-marketing of them. SATELLITE RADIO Satellite radio's subscriptions have slowed down significantly in 2006 and even more-so in this year so far. Some of it has to do with internet listening which is free, and another aspect of this is hesitation... Hesitation by consumers who know about the desire of both satellite providers to merge into one. And that's another story in itself.... citing believed-future financial difficulties, Sirius and XM want to merge. Over 10 years ago, the FCC purposely granted the two separate licenses, in the public interest to allow competition. Now that they want to merge, they must get government approval which might be quite difficult. Hindering such are two happenings; first the fact that some of the satellite DJ's have been making racist remarks and skits; -and it has been confirmed that land-repeater transmitters have been running way over- authorized power AND there are land-repeater transmitters that aren't even authorized! Such of the legal transmitters ARE needed to repeat the satellite signal into the abysses of large city streets, between tall buildings, since the satellite is not "straight up" in the sky. MUSIC & INTERNET Ever wonder who the money goes to when you download a song for 99-cents? Here's how it breaks down: 5-cents goes to the credit card company, 7-cents goes to the singers/or/band who recorded the song; 13-cents goes to Apple for hosting, billing and bandwidth; and a whopping 73-cents goes to the record company. The major record companies, through their common organization, the RIAA, has been brutal to webcasters... people or companies who stream music programming on the internet. Recently, they WON their suit against webcasters, resulting in new sky-high royalties (almost 3-times what they are now, and in some cases, as much as 12 times) which are said will put most webcasters out of business. Actually, its not ?business' that most of them are doing... its more of a hobby with artistic attributes. With these new fees that have been approved by the Copyright Royalty Board (which are retro-active to 18 months ago, and all due July 15th), are being challenged in court right now, but it still doesn't look good for webcasters. The appeal has been filed by RealNetworks, Yahoo, Live365 and Pandora, who say in letters to every member of Congress, that "the new royalty rate will cause immediate bankruptcy of the majority of the internet radio industry and will actually reduce royalties to record companies and artists as services go dark and royalties are never paid by them." If this court-approved rate hike stays in place, then starting July 15th, the only entities that will be webcasting would be the largest corporations and some scattered people who would not worry about being sued because they have little or no assets. This may very well be "the plan" by the major record companies... to be able to control all webcasting, and additionally all recorded music performed publicly in the USA. While presently, webcasting of radio station signals is exempt from this court action of extremely higher rates, the record companies are now gearing up to attack the webcasting radio stations too, to get them to pay more than they are now. ?A-N-D... there's talk about the RIAA going after all music-formatted radio stations for just broadcasting on their over-the-air signals, too! ?stations like THIS ONE. - This is not to be confused with the current royalties paid by traditional stations to the WRITERS of the songs. This however is an effort by record companies (the RIAA) to get webcasters AND stations to pay the record companies, where then those record companies would dole out a minority percentage to the actual performers that play the music, and I really mean... a MINORITY of it going to the artists, the players and singers of the music. Right now, non-webcasting stations (like this one), enjoy paying NO royalties to the record companies, but we do pay to the song-WRITERS. Those are the fees I told you about in March, where WJIB's royalties went from $5k+ to $33k+ Over the past 80 years, there has been an uneasy agreement between all radio stations and record companies that stations, while not having to pay the royalties to the record companies, is in trade for radio stations creating sales for the record companies. After all, without stations' airplay over the past 80 years, record companies would not have sold many records/CD's at all... excepting for recent developments on the internet. If all of this seems confusing... it IS. All due to American 21st Century greed.... different industry groups always trying to extract as much money as they can from other industry groups. And all of this greed regarding music got a jump-start from one thing.... the invention of the digital transmission of music, where it was stated by record companies 15 years ago that it was so easy to copy music instead of buying it. But now, the record companies are going after EVERYONE involved in music, even if music is not easily copy-able such as off traditional radio stations. (By the way, if you want to use your cassette recorder to record music off this station, it's OK... as long as its for your own use and not re-distributed as a sale). And now, it gets even worse... On the international stage.... Many webcasters are finding ways to curtail their music streaming to be only within USA borders, due to the fact that the same thing happening here, is happening "there". Scores of different countries are wrestling with this same legal problem, and results, when and if they occur, will likely be all different from each other. This is important, as many acts aired in the USA are from other countries. - This is a good time to be a copyright lawyer and/or lobbyist! In addition to the record companies trying to change the laws in order for them to collect as much money as possible, the Performing Rights Organizations are trying to do the same. ASCAP and BMI, who represent their own interests and the WRITERS of the songs, filed suit in order to classify every individual song download as a "public performance", therefore they too, would get royalties for each download. On April 25th, a federal judge saw through that and denied such, much to the glee of AOL and Yahoo who fought the suit. TELEVISION While digital radio is suffering a very slow start, digital Tv is rolling right along. Also known as HD-TV, many stations are broadcasting now on two channels; the first one being the ones we're familiar with, and the second one, not so familiar. The real news in TV-land here is that every non-digital TV in America will no longer be able to receive local TV stations come February 2009. That is the month that the FCC is requiring TV stations to turn off their traditional signals, which has been in use since the 1940's. So no more NewsCenter5 on Channel 5, no more WBZ-TV on Channel 4. And "7, the News Station" will be "something-else, the news station". For those of you who have traditional TV's, which is most of us; all is not lost, since there will be converter boxes available for you to install to make your TV's still functional. Retail stores are still selling traditional TV's and the FCC is quite irritated with them. -not so much for selling them, but for the stores not informing would-be purchasers that these TV's have a limited time-span use in the future. The V-Chip so far is useless, says the Parents Television Council, who lobbied hard for it. Or at least they say that the $550-million that the TV industry spent on educating parents about it, didn't work at all. They blame parents' indifference and even moreso, the networks for presenting shows that the organization says is not suitable for children. Cable TV is now at a 16-year-low, In just one month, November of last year saw a loss of over 2.5 subscribers. Mostly due to increased penetration of satellite-delivered services. CELL-PHONES For $4 a month, you can now get a service that enables a mono-lingual person to speak in French by hearing bits of it so you can parrot it, as if to let others near you to hear you; - gives you snappy one-liners to impress people at parties, and even shows little pictures of women that a guy could claim are "his" The company is appropriately called "Mobile Faker" and its on the west coast. MOVIES It just well may be that in the near future, if a newly-released movie show someone smoking IN that movie, it might get an "R" rating by the Motion Picture Association of America. Such is being considered right now. But even more interesting is that one large cable company has had discussions with some Hollywood studios on the topic of allowing that cable company to air their newly-released movies on "opening day" at theaters. The two largest theater companies responded by saying they'd refuse to show movies that debut on cable on the same day. IN CLOSING..... Despite all the messes going on in today's broadcasting industry, some of which I've talked about here, it's worse in Venezuela, where broadcasters had free speech rights, at least on South American standards... But now, its different. The most-watched TV network in Venezuela has just been shut down by Presidente Hugo Chavez. The network and its stations had been airing opposition to Chavez's speech & policies. But Chavez said they were becoming a threat to the country, so he personally stepped in to prevent its licenses from being renewed. Now, they are no longer broadcasting. The stations are now, according to Chavez, going to be "public service channels". Critics there say they'll really be "servicing Chavez channels". That's it for this Media Report.... Written by myself, Bob Bittner, and aired exclusively on 740-WJIB Cambridge, Massachusetts...and...730-WJTO, Bath, Maine. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 16:08:33 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:08:33 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> WRKO had a music director in the late 70's named Dennis (something). Young guy with an Asian face. Anyone know him...and where he ended up? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 17 18:00:17 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:00:17 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:08 PM 6/17/2007, Don A wrote: >WRKO had a music director in the late 70's named Dennis (something). > >Young guy with an Asian face. I am blanking on his last name, but I worked with him when I was consulting the station in 1980. I have no idea where he ended up. I also worked with Paul Power who was the music director during the Drake top-40 days. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 17 18:34:28 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> Whatever happened to WMEX and then WGTR music director Wendy? From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Sun Jun 17 19:02:49 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:02:49 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net><004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <002601c7b133$a0593dc0$633f434b@DG07P241> I've heard Gil Santos maybe 3 or 4 times in the last month and a half or so. I catch BZ news every morning for at least a half hour. Anyone know if he is healthy or of his whereabouts? Paul SAndwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Don A" ; "Roger Kirk" Cc: ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > At 04:08 PM 6/17/2007, Don A wrote: > > >WRKO had a music director in the late 70's named Dennis (something). > > > >Young guy with an Asian face. > > I am blanking on his last name, but I worked with him when I was > consulting the station in 1980. I have no idea where he ended up. I > also worked with Paul Power who was the music director during the > Drake top-40 days. > > From rickajho@rcn.com Mon Jun 18 01:28:04 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:28:04 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net><004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <002601c7b133$a0593dc0$633f434b@DG07P241> Message-ID: <467617E4.F9F47D1A@rcn.com> Paul B Currier wrote: > > I've heard Gil Santos maybe 3 or 4 times in the last month and a half or so. > I catch BZ news every morning for at least a half hour. Anyone know if he > is healthy or of his whereabouts? > > Paul > SAndwich Are you sure? Was it a promo spot of some sort? Gil Santos retired last year. There were multiple announcements about his retirement on 'BZ at the time. No idea what he is doing since his retirement. Rick From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 02:09:48 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <467617E4.F9F47D1A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <487035.62685.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick wrote: > Paul B Currier wrote: > > > > I've heard Gil Santos maybe 3 or 4 times in the last month and a > half or so. > > I catch BZ news every morning for at least a half hour. Anyone > know if he > > is healthy or of his whereabouts? > > > > Paul > > SAndwich > > Are you sure? Was it a promo spot of some sort? Gil Santos retired > last > year. There were multiple announcements about his retirement on 'BZ > at > the time. No idea what he is doing since his retirement. You are thinking of Gary LaPierre's retirement. Gil still is at WBZ, and he's probably using up any time off he can before 7-day weeks begin with the Patriots' season. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 09:58:56 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:58:56 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> Something often overlooked when thinking back to WMEX roaring back in 1971 under Garabedian is that it drove WBZ out of the Top 40 wars when they decided to go MOR and attack WHDH. WBZ wound up forcing WHDH to switch to a more Top 40 format and then the station struck gold with the best ongoing promotion this city ever saw in radio "cash call" On 6/17/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Whatever happened to WMEX and then WGTR music director Wendy? > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jun 18 11:34:57 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:34:57 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> WHDH Cash Call Jackpot! I'd forgotten all about that. Here's a speculative question I've thought about from time to time: If Entercom and Salem hadn't manipulated things up and down the AM dial (I'm not necessarily speaking perjoratively here), the consequence being WEEI's format moving to the 850 kHz spot, would WHDH still be around today? As a competing talker, or sports station, or all-news, or what? Bottom line: Did the city already have too many AM stations? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > Something often overlooked when thinking back to WMEX roaring back in > 1971 under Garabedian is that it drove WBZ out of the Top 40 wars when > they decided to go MOR and attack WHDH. > > WBZ wound up forcing WHDH to switch to a more Top 40 format and then > the station struck gold with the best ongoing promotion this city ever > saw in radio "cash call" > > > > On 6/17/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Whatever happened to WMEX and then WGTR music director Wendy? > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:15:26 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:15:26 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770706180815o67563d1fye78851c0a4395f08@mail.gmail.com> I don't think we had too many AM stations as WHDH was more than holding it's own against WRK0 ( remember that is where Howie Carr was ) On 6/18/07, Doug Drown wrote: > WHDH Cash Call Jackpot! I'd forgotten all about that. > Here's a speculative question I've thought about from time to time: If > Entercom and Salem hadn't manipulated things up and down the AM dial (I'm > not necessarily speaking perjoratively here), the consequence being WEEI's > format moving to the 850 kHz spot, would WHDH still be around today? As a > competing talker, or sports station, or all-news, or what? Bottom line: Did > the city already have too many AM stations? > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: ; "Dan Strassberg" > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > > > > Something often overlooked when thinking back to WMEX roaring back in > > 1971 under Garabedian is that it drove WBZ out of the Top 40 wars when > > they decided to go MOR and attack WHDH. > > > > WBZ wound up forcing WHDH to switch to a more Top 40 format and then > > the station struck gold with the best ongoing promotion this city ever > > saw in radio "cash call" > > > > > > > > On 6/17/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Whatever happened to WMEX and then WGTR music director Wendy? > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:39:05 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:39:05 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? Message-ID: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> Was talking to a freiend who works at ESPN in Bristol and he says the network is looking very hard at the new owner of 1510 to possibly move ESPN Radio there. Problem is a nutshell is the 890 nightime signal and they have received many complaints from would be listeners of World Series and other sports playoffs that they simply can not hear the station. It is rare that someone would look at 1510 as an option for a better signal but it certainly is at this point. This might explain why the new owners sent out a release saying they would stay sports. BTW maybe Scott knows for sure but are the Spinners just going to be on 1400 and not 890? From mdovell@comcast.net Sun Jun 17 23:11:43 2007 From: mdovell@comcast.net (mdovell@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:11:43 +0000 Subject: What IS this station? Message-ID: <061820070311.673.4675F7EF00049A4C000002A1221557511404040A90010B03@comcast.net> I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. I know it's mostly pop music but since I don't know the language I don't know exactly what's said. I thought I read somewhere that it was near wfxt in dedham but that's unconfirmed...I heard a bit of a phone number said 781...xyz - 0020... I'm reading a book on pirate radio but this station seems to have a HUGE range compaired to that one. I drove about a few towns away (15 miles) and still heard it... I noticed it back around mid december...any idea what it is ? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 18 11:41:56 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:41:56 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <18038.42948.854228.772309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Here's a speculative question I've thought about from time to time: If > Entercom and Salem hadn't manipulated things up and down the AM dial (I'm > not necessarily speaking perjoratively here), the consequence being WEEI's > format moving to the 850 kHz spot Neither Entercom nor Salem had anything to do with that. Entercom wasn't even in the market at that time. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 18 11:48:20 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:48:20 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Was talking to a freiend who works at ESPN in Bristol and he says the > network is looking very hard at the new owner of 1510 to possibly move > ESPN Radio there. > > Problem is a nutshell is the 890 nightime signal and they have > received many complaints from would be listeners of World Series and > other sports playoffs that they simply can not hear the station. > > It is rare that someone would look at 1510 as an option for a better > signal but it certainly is at this point. > > This might explain why the new owners sent out a release saying they > would stay sports. I suspect anyone switching from 890 to 1510 in search of a significantly better night signal is going to go home disappointed. Neither is a full-market night signal, nor can it ever be one. It all comes down to what portion of the metro you're most interested in serving. 890 is, as you'd expect from the Dedham COL, most potent along a line from its Ashland transmitter site through the southwestern suburbs of Boston. It doesn't have the raw signal strength to be very useful in Boston proper, and its pattern doesn't favor the northern suburbs at all. It also suffers a lot of incoming interference from WLS and WCBS. 1510, by contrast, is most effective along a line from its Waltham/Belmont transmitter into downtown Boston, and is decent in the northern suburbs. It's lousy to the south and nonexistent to the west, and suffers massive incoming interference from WLAC. Neither signal is useful in the growth areas of the market - southern NH, west of Framingham, the South Shore. > BTW maybe Scott knows for sure but are the Spinners just going to be > on 1400 and not 890? As best I can tell, yes, that's the case. I expect the ESPN network feed would continue on 890. s From francini@mac.com Mon Jun 18 11:56:50 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:56:50 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> Message-ID: For the southern NH problem -- time for ESPN to back to 900/1250 WGAM in Nashua/Manchester and drop Fox Sports Radio on its head where it belongs, perhaps? I think it was bizarre for ESPN to unceremoniously drop 900/1250 in the first place. j On 18 Jun 2007, at 11:48, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Was talking to a freiend who works at ESPN in Bristol and he says the >> network is looking very hard at the new owner of 1510 to possibly >> move >> ESPN Radio there. >> Problem is a nutshell is the 890 nightime signal and they have >> received many complaints from would be listeners of World Series and >> other sports playoffs that they simply can not hear the station. >> It is rare that someone would look at 1510 as an option for a better >> signal but it certainly is at this point. >> This might explain why the new owners sent out a release saying they >> would stay sports. > > I suspect anyone switching from 890 to 1510 in search of a > significantly better night signal is going to go home disappointed. > Neither is a full-market night signal, nor can it ever be one. It > all comes down to what portion of the metro you're most interested > in serving. 890 is, as you'd expect from the Dedham COL, most > potent along a line from its Ashland transmitter site through the > southwestern suburbs of Boston. It doesn't have the raw signal > strength to be very useful in Boston proper, and its pattern > doesn't favor the northern suburbs at all. It also suffers a lot of > incoming interference from WLS and WCBS. > > 1510, by contrast, is most effective along a line from its Waltham/ > Belmont transmitter into downtown Boston, and is decent in the > northern suburbs. It's lousy to the south and nonexistent to the > west, and suffers massive incoming interference from WLAC. > > Neither signal is useful in the growth areas of the market - > southern NH, west of Framingham, the South Shore. > >> BTW maybe Scott knows for sure but are the Spinners just going to be >> on 1400 and not 890? > > As best I can tell, yes, that's the case. I expect the ESPN network > feed would continue on 890. > > s > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 12:04:22 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:04:22 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> If ESPN is just looking at the city proper then 1510 would be an upgrade. They have been sitting on their CP to increase to 6,000 at night watts for awhile now but it seems that GM Jessamy Tang doesn't want to spend the money. At least WAMG has registered a little in the Arbitrons which is more than WWZN ever did. On 6/18/07, Scott Fybush wrote: > I suspect anyone switching from 890 to 1510 in search of a significantly > better night signal is going to go home disappointed. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 12:13:21 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > If ESPN is just looking at the city proper then 1510 would be an > upgrade. > > They have been sitting on their CP to increase to 6,000 at night > watts > for awhile now but it seems that GM Jessamy Tang doesn't want to > spend > the money. This whole move-to-1510 thing is dubious. I doubt she is doing anything without some sort of cash backing from ESPN. ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Jun 18 12:36:25 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What IS this station? Message-ID: <20070618163625.5AFED45391@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic > broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. I know it's mostly pop > music but since I don't know the language I don't know exactly what's > said. I thought I read somewhere that it was near wfxt in dedham but that's > unconfirmed...I heard a bit of a phone number said 781...xyz - 0020... WWTA (Tabor Academy)? Marion, MA http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WWTA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U http://www.ontheradio.net/radiostations/wwtafm.aspx -Ric Werme From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 18 12:37:58 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:37:58 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? References: <4fc429770706180839l14a55dcbxed5fb89bda1aa01e@mail.gmail.com> <4676A944.9010108@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001701c7b1c7$0f954ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> 890 is in the process of upgrading its night pattern and power. According to both Glen Clark, who designed the new phasing network, and Chris Hall, CE of WAMG/WLLH, the upgrade (from 3.4 kW-N to 6 kW-N with a slightly modified pattern) did not require replacement of the night phasor--just replacement of some components (inductors and capacitors). As far as I am able to tell, that part of the work has already taken place and WAMG is operating with the new pattern, though adjustment of the pattern may or may not be complete. I believe, but do not know for sure, that the station was operating with the increased night power for a time. At present, it may or may not still be operating with the higher night power. I have not seen anything in the FCC actions about an application for a license to cover (or for that matter, an application for modification of CP to augment the new night pattern), but the fact that I have not seen such applications means very little; I miss quite a few of the ones I look for. Where I live (about 16 miles northeast of the transmitter site) on two good AM radios as well as on my car radio, WAMG's night signal is usually acceptable (especially at times when I suspect the new pattern and power are in use). I really notice no change in loudness at the pattern changes and only a barely perceptable change in the background noise (absolutely requires the trained ear of an AM geek or DXer). On some nights, WLS is quite audible but usually not until several hours after local sunset here. Even then, WLS is still not what I'd call a serious problem. And where I live, the signal strength (I calculate ~6 mV/m) with the new night pattern and power is about 1/2 (give or take) of the NIF value (12.5 mV/m). In other words, I live outside of WAMG's protected night contour. The interference from WCBS is not serious, though it may become so once 880 starts running IBOC at night. Since I live so close to WWZN, I don't have any first-adjacent problems with 1510 but the one-two punch of WTWP and WWKB has got to be a worse problem for WWZN than WCBS is for 890. Back when 1510 ran 5 kW-N from Quincy, the nighttime signal here was pretty much unlistenable. The worst co-channel problem was not from WLAC, which I don't recall ever noticing; it was from CJRS back then. The two first adjacents, OTOH, were murder--and that was decades before anyone even thought of IBOC. Maybe Davidson took a look at the rent on the WWZN Tx site and decided that 890 suddenly looked A LOT more attractive. Maybe the possibility of ESPN moving to 1510 was what triggered the backtracking on the ethnic format for 1510. If I were choosing which of the two signals to buy, 890 would be my choice because it provides good night coverage of MetroWest (excluding Marlborough, where I doubt the signal is audible at all when the night pattern--either the old one or the new one--is running). No, 890 does not have a killer night signal in Boston proper, but it's usable on a decent radio. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: ESPN-Boston problems? > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Was talking to a freiend who works at ESPN in Bristol and he says the > > network is looking very hard at the new owner of 1510 to possibly move > > ESPN Radio there. > > > > Problem is a nutshell is the 890 nightime signal and they have > > received many complaints from would be listeners of World Series and > > other sports playoffs that they simply can not hear the station. > > > > It is rare that someone would look at 1510 as an option for a better > > signal but it certainly is at this point. > > > > This might explain why the new owners sent out a release saying they > > would stay sports. > > I suspect anyone switching from 890 to 1510 in search of a significantly > better night signal is going to go home disappointed. Neither is a > full-market night signal, nor can it ever be one. It all comes down to > what portion of the metro you're most interested in serving. 890 is, as > you'd expect from the Dedham COL, most potent along a line from its > Ashland transmitter site through the southwestern suburbs of Boston. It > doesn't have the raw signal strength to be very useful in Boston proper, > and its pattern doesn't favor the northern suburbs at all. It also > suffers a lot of incoming interference from WLS and WCBS. > > 1510, by contrast, is most effective along a line from its > Waltham/Belmont transmitter into downtown Boston, and is decent in the > northern suburbs. It's lousy to the south and nonexistent to the west, > and suffers massive incoming interference from WLAC. > > Neither signal is useful in the growth areas of the market - southern > NH, west of Framingham, the South Shore. > > > BTW maybe Scott knows for sure but are the Spinners just going to be > > on 1400 and not 890? > > As best I can tell, yes, that's the case. I expect the ESPN network feed > would continue on 890. > > s > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 12:43:02 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:43:02 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> Peter Gammons is still livid he was forced off WEEI to be on 890 only and says he has to listen to 1050 out of New York to hear the network at night ( He lives in Brookline ) Sporting News Radio isn't long for this world. They have shutdown their Chicago HQ's and moved everything to Los Angeles. The have been losing stations to FSR at an alarming rate and they are hanging on to overnights at blowtorch WSCR in Chicago. On 6/18/07, Sean Smyth wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > If ESPN is just looking at the city proper then 1510 would be an > > upgrade. > > > > They have been sitting on their CP to increase to 6,000 at night > > watts > > for awhile now but it seems that GM Jessamy Tang doesn't want to > > spend > > the money. > > This whole move-to-1510 thing is dubious. I doubt she is doing anything > without some sort of cash backing from ESPN. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jun 18 12:54:07 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:54:07 -0400 Subject: What IS this station? In-Reply-To: <20070618163625.5AFED45391@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <01b401c7b1c9$4a025c40$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> It's not WWTA, they hardly ever broadcast, and I've never picked them up from here in Hanson. What you're hearing is indeed a pirate, and it's located right down the street from Fox 25 in Dedham. They seem to run significant power. There are also pirates on 88.5 in Dorchester and Brockton, but Dedham has the best signal. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Ric Werme > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:36 PM > To: mdovell@comcast.net > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: What IS this station? > > > > I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic > > broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. I know it's mostly pop > > music but since I don't know the language I don't know exactly what's > > said. I thought I read somewhere that it was near wfxt in dedham but > that's > > unconfirmed...I heard a bit of a phone number said 781...xyz - 0020... > > WWTA (Tabor Academy)? Marion, MA > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi- > bin/pat?call=WWTA&service=FM&status=L&hours=U > http://www.ontheradio.net/radiostations/wwtafm.aspx > > -Ric Werme From me@billoneill.us Mon Jun 18 13:05:25 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:05:25 -0400 Subject: What IS this station? In-Reply-To: <061820070311.673.4675F7EF00049A4C000002A1221557511404040A90010B03@comcast.net> References: <061820070311.673.4675F7EF00049A4C000002A1221557511404040A90010B03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4676BB55.4000208@billoneill.us> mdovell@comcast.net wrote: > I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. _No_ format is worth dying for... Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jun 18 13:32:46 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:32:46 -0400 Subject: What IS this station? In-Reply-To: <4676BB55.4000208@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <003a01c7b1ce$af6e28c0$6400a8c0@lysthia> Infidel! Brian Vita> mdovell@comcast.net wrote: > > I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic > > broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. > > _No_ format is worth dying for... > > Bill O'Neill No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Jun 18 14:57:38 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Something often overlooked when thinking back to WMEX roaring back in > 1971 under Garabedian is that it drove WBZ out of the Top 40 wars when > they decided to go MOR and attack WHDH. > > WBZ wound up forcing WHDH to switch to a more Top 40 format and then > the station struck gold with the best ongoing promotion this city ever > saw in radio "cash call" > WBZ dropped Top 40 in early 1968 as a reaction to WRKO's success. John Garabedian had nothing to do with it. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 15:10:21 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:10:21 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2><20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <010001c7b1dc$655b6b40$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> ...when thinking back to WMEX roaring back in >> 1971 under Garabedian... Let's keep this in perspective.... I believe there was ONE rating book that WMEX beat WRKO. (I believe it was either Spring or Summer of 1971.) Most of the reason for WMEX's sucess was the fact that WRKO had lost it's way. Someone at RKO came up with a bizarre notion that they could stop playing the hits and that they had to start playing album cuts. If WRKO had not wandered....WMEX would've never beat them. While Garabedian is a good programmer, his sucess should have included a thank-you note to WRKO for dropping the ball. All in all this lasted ONE rating period.....about 3 months...before WRKO got itself back on track. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jun 18 15:21:46 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:21:46 -0500 Subject: What IS this station? Message-ID: <20070618192146.4AF131F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: mdovell@comcast.net >Subject: Re: What IS this station? >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:05:25 -0400 >mdovell@comcast.net wrote: > I'm in the south shore and on 88.5 I've been picking up a arabic > broadcast. I'm dying to know what exactly it is. >_No_ format is worth dying for... >Bill O'Neill What I want to know is: does the RDS display scroll from right-to-left or left-to-right? -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 15:58:29 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:58:29 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706181258w6b73a682uc0fd0983e601bf9c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/18/07, Steve Ordinetz wrote: > WBZ dropped Top 40 in early 1968 as a reaction to WRKO's success. John > Garabedian had nothing to do with it. > > I still think the total switch was around 1971. Larry Justice was still trying to follow in the footsteps pf Bradley from 6 to 10 in 1969 but in September of that year Calling All Sports showed up. Now granted they decided to go all talk in late 69 with both the arrival of Williams and Glick but the music playlist during the day still slanted Top 40. link to the WBZ lineups http://rockradioscrapbook.ca/radbos.html I know by 1971 I couldn't listen to them in the day because it was more Sinatra than Beatles From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jun 18 18:05:55 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:05:55 -0400 Subject: streaming video Message-ID: <20070618220604.5A55C44C61D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Do any of you work at stations that use streaming video? If so, what company provides it, asked Donna who knows very little about this area and hates to seem stoooopid. I remember the good old days (1994 or so) when I had a client using CU-See Me, and it was pretty poor quality. I have seen the state of the art improve dramatically since then... From paul@derrynh.net Mon Jun 18 18:49:11 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:49:11 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00dd01c7b1fa$e3c11250$8e8e1f42@YOURF7ED5FB036> They probably (erroneously) think 1400 covers the high population areas of Southern NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Francini Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:57 AM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: ESPN-Boston problems? For the southern NH problem -- time for ESPN to back to 900/1250 WGAM in Nashua/Manchester and drop Fox Sports Radio on its head where it belongs, perhaps? I think it was bizarre for ESPN to unceremoniously drop 900/1250 in the first place. j On 18 Jun 2007, at 11:48, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Was talking to a freiend who works at ESPN in Bristol and he says the >> network is looking very hard at the new owner of 1510 to possibly >> move >> ESPN Radio there. >> Problem is a nutshell is the 890 nightime signal and they have >> received many complaints from would be listeners of World Series and >> other sports playoffs that they simply can not hear the station. >> It is rare that someone would look at 1510 as an option for a better >> signal but it certainly is at this point. >> This might explain why the new owners sent out a release saying they >> would stay sports. > > I suspect anyone switching from 890 to 1510 in search of a > significantly better night signal is going to go home disappointed. > Neither is a full-market night signal, nor can it ever be one. It > all comes down to what portion of the metro you're most interested > in serving. 890 is, as you'd expect from the Dedham COL, most > potent along a line from its Ashland transmitter site through the > southwestern suburbs of Boston. It doesn't have the raw signal > strength to be very useful in Boston proper, and its pattern > doesn't favor the northern suburbs at all. It also suffers a lot of > incoming interference from WLS and WCBS. > > 1510, by contrast, is most effective along a line from its Waltham/ > Belmont transmitter into downtown Boston, and is decent in the > northern suburbs. It's lousy to the south and nonexistent to the > west, and suffers massive incoming interference from WLAC. > > Neither signal is useful in the growth areas of the market - > southern NH, west of Framingham, the South Shore. > >> BTW maybe Scott knows for sure but are the Spinners just going to be >> on 1400 and not 890? > > As best I can tell, yes, that's the case. I expect the ESPN network > feed would continue on 890. > > s > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jun 18 15:50:41 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:50:41 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> On Jun 18, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Peter Gammons is still livid he was forced off WEEI to be on 890 only > and says he has to listen to 1050 out of New York to hear the network > at night ( He lives in Brookline ) Gammons recently signed a new contract with the Worldwide Leader. He could have negotiated the radio exclusivity out of his contract, at least for Boston. I can't see that being a deal breaker. I'm sure Peter could listen to ESPN radio online if he wanted to.... > Sporting News Radio isn't long for this world. They have shutdown > their Chicago HQ's and moved everything to Los Angeles. The have been > losing stations to FSR at an alarming rate and they are hanging on to > overnights at blowtorch WSCR in Chicago. And they sold off the LA station awhile back, so they must be renting studio space somewhere. To be honest, I'm surprised they've held on this long. With Paul Allen out of the picture, it's just a matter of time. I guess that means JJ Jeffrey will have to go with Fox on the Big Jab stations up in Maine, since Portland now has a fulltime ESPN affiliate on 870. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 21:48:34 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:48:34 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com> WWZN puzzles me at night as I have heard them in Queens, Albany and Chicago. BTW WBZ which always sounded like a local at night in Chicago is being killed by a bible station out of Minneapolis on 1030. On 6/18/07, David Tomm wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Peter Gammons is still livid he was forced off WEEI to be on 890 only > > and says he has to listen to 1050 out of New York to hear the network > > at night ( He lives in Brookline ) > > Gammons recently signed a new contract with the Worldwide Leader. He > could have negotiated the radio exclusivity out of his contract, at > least for Boston. I can't see that being a deal breaker. I'm sure > Peter could listen to ESPN radio online if he wanted to.... > > > Sporting News Radio isn't long for this world. They have shutdown > > their Chicago HQ's and moved everything to Los Angeles. The have been > > losing stations to FSR at an alarming rate and they are hanging on to > > overnights at blowtorch WSCR in Chicago. > > And they sold off the LA station awhile back, so they must be renting > studio space somewhere. To be honest, I'm surprised they've held on > this long. With Paul Allen out of the picture, it's just a matter of > time. I guess that means JJ Jeffrey will have to go with Fox on the > Big Jab stations up in Maine, since Portland now has a fulltime ESPN > affiliate on 870. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jun 18 21:53:18 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:53:18 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706190153.l5J1rMcY015955@mac.com> At 09:48 PM 6/18/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >WWZN puzzles me at night as I have heard them in Queens, Albany and >Chicago. BTW WBZ which always sounded like a local at night in Chicago >is being killed by a bible station out of Minneapolis on 1030. They also boom in at night in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jun 18 22:20:04 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:20:04 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <200706190153.l5J1rMcY015955@mac.com> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com> <200706190153.l5J1rMcY015955@mac.com> Message-ID: <46773D54.50406@ttlc.net> WWZN or WBZ? Larry Weil wrote: > At 09:48 PM 6/18/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> WWZN puzzles me at night as I have heard them in Queens, Albany and >> Chicago. BTW WBZ which always sounded like a local at night in Chicago >> is being killed by a bible station out of Minneapolis on 1030. > > They also boom in at night in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 18:14:41 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:14:41 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <010001c7b1dc$655b6b40$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> <010001c7b1dc$655b6b40$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> On 6/18/07, Don A wrote: > I believe there was ONE rating book that WMEX beat WRKO. (I believe it was > either Spring or Summer of 1971.) I believe that to be true. I think John H left in late 1971. In 1971, John H. was a speaker at my college, Grahm Junior College. He talked about the hip factor of WMEX, and even though the WMEX signal was limited, he felt that this not a significant factor. He felt that if people wanted to hear something different, they'd find it on the dial. > Most of the reason for WMEX's sucess was the fact that WRKO had lost it's > way. That's not what I had understood. WMEX under John H. was playing "hipper" music than WRKO at the time. WMEX was playing some long versions of popular songs, and a couple of album cuts. They had personalities like Ron Robin and Bud Balleu. WRKO was following the same old formula, except that they stopped playing a jingle in between every record, which was a trademark. I could be wrong about this, of course... but that is what I understood. Roger Kirk on this list might have a clear remembrance of those days. > Someone at RKO came up with a bizarre notion that they could stop playing > the hits and that they had to start playing album cuts. My perception was that WRKO didn't start with album cuts until AFTER John H. left WMEX. WRKO was trying to sound more hip, playing some album kind of music in early 1972 ( surprisingly, I have airchecks of those days.) The album direction for WRKO didn't work out. They stayed with it for about a year, but the ratings trailed off. To rail on more about this, WVBF sort of took the WMEX hipper music approach in late 1971 and 1972. As a college student at the time, I thought WVBF was the greatest thing I had ever heard. WVBF later moved towards more standard Top 40 ("F-105"). > While Garabedian is a good programmer, his sucess should have included a > thank-you note to WRKO for dropping the ball. Garabedian is a good programmer. I had always heard that he did beat WRKO for one book. He left WMEX after Max Richmond passed, and WMEX never recovered. Anyway, just my remembrances and perceptions folks. -- -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 23:36:44 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:36:44 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <46773D54.50406@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com> <200706190153.l5J1rMcY015955@mac.com> <46773D54.50406@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706182036x417f3420udc28d81101813ebe@mail.gmail.com> WNVR never caused WBZ problems along the lakefront. The Minneapolis station the past 3 months has been bombing in. On 6/18/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > WWZN or WBZ? > > Larry Weil wrote: > > At 09:48 PM 6/18/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > >> WWZN puzzles me at night as I have heard them in Queens, Albany and > >> Chicago. BTW WBZ which always sounded like a local at night in Chicago > >> is being killed by a bible station out of Minneapolis on 1030. > > > > They also boom in at night in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.. > > > > > > Larry Weil > > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > > > From lspin@comcast.net Mon Jun 18 23:40:57 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:40:57 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2><20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com><53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net><010001c7b1dc$655b6b40$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I'd agree that WRKO began turning more progressive in the fall of '71. I distinctly remember hearing them segue from the album version of Chicago's "Beginnings" into The Stones' "Sympathy for The Devil," no announcer, no jingle. I was one, impressed 14-year-old. If you consider the way "Beginnings" ends and "Sympathy..." begins, it's the making of a really hip, FM-style mix! 'RKO also started playing the long version of Savoy Brown's "Tell Mama," and played ***album cuts*** from the (then) new Santana III. I'd place this right after John H left WMEX. Bud Ballou had already bolted for Stereo 105 (WVBF). -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kelly Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:15 PM My perception was that WRKO didn't start with album cuts until AFTER John H. left WMEX. WRKO was trying to sound more hip, playing some album kind of music in early 1972 ( surprisingly, I have airchecks of those days.) From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jun 19 00:48:09 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:48:09 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com><48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0252AA0A5705484AA8FFD81DF957B65A@DanBillingsPC> If Sporting News Radio shuts down, it will cause problems for JJ Jeffrey's Sports Jab Stations (95.5/1440/990) in Southern Maine. ESPN is already on another station in the market. Fox Sports Radio is on WZAN on the weekends. My guess is that they would switch stations to get weekday clearance in Portland, but that would not happen overnight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: ESPN-Boston problems? > Peter Gammons is still livid he was forced off WEEI to be on 890 only > and says he has to listen to 1050 out of New York to hear the network > at night ( He lives in Brookline ) > > Sporting News Radio isn't long for this world. They have shutdown > their Chicago HQ's and moved everything to Los Angeles. The have been > losing stations to FSR at an alarming rate and they are hanging on to > overnights at blowtorch WSCR in Chicago. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 02:02:48 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:02:48 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2><20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com><53913.63.118.166.2.1182193058.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net><010001c7b1dc$655b6b40$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008601c7b237$bb7e4af0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> Most of the reason for WMEX's sucess was the fact that WRKO had lost it's >> way. > > That's not what I had understood. I could be wrong about this, of > course... but that is what I understood. Competitive radio is much like a football game. There is offense and defense. While team "A" might have a good offense....it won't do any good until the defense shows a weakness. In broadcasting, you can have a good product, but if your target demo doesn't know you are there...or is content with what they are listening/watching...then they will never find you....as they have no reason to search the dial for "something better". >> Someone at RKO came up with a bizarre notion that they could stop playing >> the hits and that they had to start playing album cuts. > > My perception was that WRKO didn't start with album cuts until AFTER > John H. left WMEX. Roger Kirk on this list > might have a clear remembrance of those days. Here is Roger's recollection from a recent post: >> Also, the concept of adding LP cuts to the play list found favor. A nod, no doubt, to some of the LP cuts being played by WMEX as well as a realization that the FM stations were starting to encroach on AM's dominance. At first it started off conservatively with just 2 or three cuts added for spice. Then, it escalated to the point where the jocks were bringing in huge stacks of LP's from their collections so that certain cuts could be carted and added to the on-air rotation. << From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 19 02:42:02 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:42:02 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com>, <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com> On 18 Jun 2007 at 23:40, Lou wrote: > I'd agree that WRKO began turning more progressive in the fall of '71. > I distinctly remember hearing them segue from the album version of > Chicago's "Beginnings" into The Stones' "Sympathy for The Devil," no > announcer, no jingle. I was one, impressed 14-year-old. If you > consider the way "Beginnings" ends and "Sympathy..." begins, it's the > making of a really hip, FM-style mix! 'RKO also started playing the > long version of Savoy Brown's "Tell Mama," and played ***album cuts*** > from the (then) new Santana III. > > I'd place this right after John H left WMEX. Bud Ballou had already > bolted for Stereo 105 (WVBF). For a datum point, sometime in January or February 1971, Bud Ballou introduced Buffalo Bob Smith at Suffolk University (in New England Life Hall). And he introduced himself as "Bud Ballou of WMEX." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 07:54:04 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:54:04 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706190454k75fa71a9s351a047a86061cac@mail.gmail.com> Bud was still at WMEX in late 1971 as I went to the Bruins home opener with him in October and he recorded his show that afternoon. He had us in stiches when he told the story of the hack he and Dale Dorman pulled in Syracuse. One night they played the same records at the same time driving button pushers nuts. BTW keep in mind that in 1971 FM was still a non factor. While college kids were getting tuners for dorm rooms, 95% of car radios were AM only. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 09:48:28 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:48:28 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> When WBZ ruled the roost as a Top 40 station they once in awhile would play a cover of a known national hit instead of the original artist. 2 of these records I can remember. Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer Davis never aired on WBZ, instead they used a group called "The Jordan Brothers" The other was "Winchester Cathedral" which was a hit by the The New Vaudeville Band but WBZ played a version by "The New Happiness" Now I assume they did this to test their clout at area record stores. Were there any other songs they covered? This has bothered me for 40 years. From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jun 19 11:10:44 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:10:44 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770706190454k75fa71a9s351a047a86061cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> >>BTW keep in mind that in 1971 FM was still a non factor. While college kids were getting tuners for dorm rooms, 95% of car radios were AM only.>> Back in the late '60s, a few AM rockers were simulcasting on FM for at least part of the day ---WBZ and WHYN come to mind particularly. I thought that was cool, because the signals were so much clearer. I realized that radio would never be the same when some FM stations, like WVBF (nee WKOX-FM), began employing Top 40 formats in the early- to -mid-70's. How many of us had FM converters in our cars? I used mine from around 1970, when I first bought it in Mass., until 1979 when I purchased my first brand-new car here in Maine. Audiovox was the brand. It worked really well. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > Bud was still at WMEX in late 1971 as I went to the Bruins home opener > with him in October and he recorded his show that afternoon. He had us > in stiches when he told the story of the hack he and Dale Dorman > pulled in Syracuse. One night they played the same records at the same > time driving button pushers nuts. BTW keep in mind that in 1971 FM was > still a non factor. While college kids were getting tuners for dorm > rooms, 95% of car radios were AM only. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 19 11:36:21 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:36:21 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer Davis never aired on > WBZ, instead they used a group called "The Jordan Brothers" > > The other was "Winchester Cathedral" which was a hit by the The New > Vaudeville Band but WBZ played a version by "The New Happiness" > Not limited to Boston. The Jordan Bros. were also played in Portland ME on WLOB - which was king of the Top 40 stack by then. WJAB had been (when 'LOB was beautiful music) but they were a daytimer and when 'LOB flipped, they sank like a stone. Jim Sands and Bob Fuller both crossed the street to work at WLOB. WLOB played both the New Happiness and the New Vaudville Band's versions. They also played "The Pied Piper" by the Changing Times instead of Crispian St. Peters. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 11:51:07 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:51:07 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706190851i1dbeb5d6nb5dd6f376e13909@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > Not limited to Boston. > > The Jordan Bros. were also played in Portland ME on WLOB - which was > king of the Top 40 stack by then. > > WLOB played both the New Happiness and the New Vaudville Band's versions. > Now I wonder if WLOB played the Jordan Brothers because WBZ did I emailed Dick Summer and he said Hi Kevin, nice to hear from you. It's hard for most people to imagine these days, but BZ didn' t have a format or a play list. We played what we wanted to play. So a lot of stuff came up that "didn't make sense." We were just having fun. It's special to be remembered for all those years... Actually I liked the Jordan Brothers version better. Heard it for the first time in close to 40 years this morning online From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Tue Jun 19 07:38:35 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:38:35 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos References: <487035.62685.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006901c7b266$5f9afe70$633f434b@DG07P241> Actually he doesn't do the Monday radio sports during the football season. Perhaps he doesn't work Saturday either??? I'm still wondering about his absence as he is on the AM news promos. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Rick" ; Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Gil Santos > Rick wrote: > > Paul B Currier wrote: > > > > > > I've heard Gil Santos maybe 3 or 4 times in the last month and a > > half or so. > > > I catch BZ news every morning for at least a half hour. Anyone > > know if he > > > is healthy or of his whereabouts? > > > > > > Paul > > > SAndwich > > > > Are you sure? Was it a promo spot of some sort? Gil Santos retired > > last > > year. There were multiple announcements about his retirement on 'BZ > > at > > the time. No idea what he is doing since his retirement. > > You are thinking of Gary LaPierre's retirement. Gil still is at WBZ, > and he's probably using up any time off he can before 7-day weeks begin > with the Patriots' season. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > From mdovell@comcast.net Tue Jun 19 11:11:17 2007 From: mdovell@comcast.net (mdovell@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:17 +0000 Subject: What IS this station? Message-ID: <061920071511.10434.4677F215000BB301000028C2221654997604040A90010B03@comcast.net> The station appears to also be in Spanish sometimes. That leads me to think it's multiple ones that are using it. This is pretty interesting as the range is huge. From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Tue Jun 19 11:28:39 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:28:39 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007f01c7b286$834cd1c0$633f434b@DG07P241> .....As I recall Joe Smith on WVDA playing "Stranded in the Jungle" by the Jayhawks when everyone else was airing the Cadets' version. I've wondered about that one also.... Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > When WBZ ruled the roost as a Top 40 station they once in awhile would > play a cover of a known national hit instead of the original artist. > > 2 of these records I can remember. > > Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer Davis never aired on > WBZ, instead they used a group called "The Jordan Brothers" > > The other was "Winchester Cathedral" which was a hit by the The New > Vaudeville Band but WBZ played a version by "The New Happiness" > > Now I assume they did this to test their clout at area record stores. > Were there any other songs they covered? > > This has bothered me for 40 years. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 19 12:47:15 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:47:15 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20070619164725.3D4F71B6B3E@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Roger wrote-- >Not limited to Boston. > >The Jordan Bros. were also played in Portland ME on WLOB - which was >king of the Top 40 stack by then. WJAB had been (when 'LOB was >beautiful music) but they were a daytimer and when 'LOB flipped, >they sank like a stone. Jim Sands and Bob Fuller both crossed the >street to work at WLOB. > >WLOB played both the New Happiness and the New Vaudville Band's versions. > >They also played "The Pied Piper" by the Changing Times instead of >Crispian St. Peters. And at the risk of being a skeptic, it wasn't just altruism and "we played what we wanted to." Let us not forget (gasp) payola. A number of the disc jockeys had close relationships with record promoters, and while I would like to say that such friendships never influenced what got played, the evidence says they did. I know from talking to various people (as well as from my own observations when I became a college music director and met some of the local record promoters) that even in the 60s, despite the big payola scandals of the late 50s, the influence of certain promo men (and nearly all of them were guys, back then) continued to occur, although in more subtle ways. And yes, a d.j. might play a version of a song just because a particular promoter was working that record and "really needed an ad this week". That's also how a lot of "local hits" happened-- in some cases, yes the jock or the PD loved the song and wanted to play it, but in other cases, a record promoter's ties to the song or the artist, and the resulting benefits that accrued to the announcer who then gave the song some attention, were key factors in how decisions were made. Btw, anybody recall a song by a group called the New Hope-- "Won't Find Better Than Me"? It was only a hit in certain cities, but it got a lot of airplay in Boston... From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jun 19 13:57:02 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:57:02 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> <20070619164725.3D4F71B6B3E@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <028201c7b29b$3e15a770$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I do. I don't recall the lyrics, but I remember the song. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > >Roger wrote-- > >Not limited to Boston. > > > >The Jordan Bros. were also played in Portland ME on WLOB - which was > >king of the Top 40 stack by then. WJAB had been (when 'LOB was > >beautiful music) but they were a daytimer and when 'LOB flipped, > >they sank like a stone. Jim Sands and Bob Fuller both crossed the > >street to work at WLOB. > > > >WLOB played both the New Happiness and the New Vaudville Band's versions. > > > >They also played "The Pied Piper" by the Changing Times instead of > >Crispian St. Peters. > > And at the risk of being a skeptic, it wasn't just altruism and "we > played what we wanted to." Let us not forget (gasp) payola. A > number of the disc jockeys had close relationships with record > promoters, and while I would like to say that such friendships never > influenced what got played, the evidence says they did. I know from > talking to various people (as well as from my own observations when I > became a college music director and met some of the local record > promoters) that even in the 60s, despite the big payola scandals of > the late 50s, the influence of certain promo men (and nearly all of > them were guys, back then) continued to occur, although in more > subtle ways. And yes, a d.j. might play a version of a song just > because a particular promoter was working that record and "really > needed an ad this week". That's also how a lot of "local hits" > happened-- in some cases, yes the jock or the PD loved the song and > wanted to play it, but in other cases, a record promoter's ties to > the song or the artist, and the resulting benefits that accrued to > the announcer who then gave the song some attention, were key factors > in how decisions were made. > > Btw, anybody recall a song by a group called the New Hope-- "Won't > Find Better Than Me"? It was only a hit in certain cities, but it > got a lot of airplay in Boston... > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jun 19 12:58:25 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:58:25 -0400 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? In-Reply-To: <46773D54.50406@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770706180904s2489dceejc1e8b5435f57f59b@mail.gmail.com> <48034.52829.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4fc429770706180943s727068bcy15127f8edb90367b@mail.gmail.com> <350ad2cc6e727af6c7e114cfda36b2eb@charter.net> <4fc429770706181848r17dd037dqf01a5f89e0431c7@mail.gmail.com> <200706190153.l5J1rMcY015955@mac.com> <46773D54.50406@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002a01c7b293$13fc58b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> I meant WWZN, sorry for the confusion. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Kirk [mailto:rogerkirk@ttlc.net] > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:20 PM > To: Larry Weil > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: ESPN-Boston problems? > > WWZN or WBZ? > > Larry Weil wrote: > > At 09:48 PM 6/18/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > >> WWZN puzzles me at night as I have heard them in Queens, > Albany and > >> Chicago. BTW WBZ which always sounded like a local at night in > >> Chicago is being killed by a bible station out of > Minneapolis on 1030. > > > > They also boom in at night in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.. > > > > > > Larry Weil > > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 10:36:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com> <00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770706190454k75fa71a9s351a047a86061cac@mail.gmail.com> <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770706190736s9a0e7fbh3d8081ff93ae506@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Doug Drown wrote: > How many of us had FM converters in our cars? I used mine from around 1970, > when I first bought it in Mass., until 1979 when I purchased my first > brand-new car here in Maine. Audiovox was the brand. It worked really > well. > I had one as well The first station I remember hearing Top 40 on FM was WLLH-FM and all these years later can remember a Jack Peterson being their #1 jock. WRKO-FM came along in 1965 or 6 and WKOX-FM went Top 40 after WJIB-FM clobbered them in the beautiful music department. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 13:19:39 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <006901c7b266$5f9afe70$633f434b@DG07P241> Message-ID: <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Paul B Currier wrote: > Actually he doesn't do the Monday radio sports during the football > season. > Perhaps he doesn't work Saturday either??? > > I'm still wondering about his absence as he is on the AM news promos. Well, Saturday he's on the road or prepping for the broadcast. Gil is owed some comp time, I'm sure. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 19 13:28:07 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:28:07 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <006901c7b266$5f9afe70$633f434b@DG07P241> <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070619172816.820E21B6553@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >it was said-- > > > > I'm still wondering about his absence as he is on the AM news promos. Umm, what absence? I heard him this morning doing the sports as always. It's summer and people do take days off, but he's still there as far as I know. From me@billoneill.us Tue Jun 19 13:37:51 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:37:51 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4678146F.9050407@billoneill.us> Sean Smyth wrote: > Gil is owed some comp time, I'm sure. > (Wasn't Gil on this morning?) He's got a super delivery. I've always admired him for his amazing consistency regardless of that the gig. He could be funny with Maynard, etc., great rapport with Gary. His Patriot's calls worthy of radio audio/TV video. Most importantly, none of his work has been about "Gil." (New guys take note.) Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jun 19 15:07:17 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:07:17 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <029c01c7b2a5$0ed0a050$6501a8c0@pastor2> WHYN-FM had quite a few listeners at Oakmont High in Ashburnham when I was in school there in the late '60s. I remember hearing it from another kid's transistor radio in the school gym when we were doing prom decoration or some such thing one evening. We otherwise didn't get Springfield area radio, except for WACE, at that time a CBS affiliate, which came in well during the day. WHYN had a lesser Top 40 competitor in Springfield; was it WMAS or WSPR? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > On 19 Jun 2007 Doug Drown wrote: > > > Back in the late '60s, a few AM rockers were simulcasting on FM for at > > least part of the day ---WBZ and WHYN come to mind particularly. I > > thought that was cool, because the signals were so much clearer. I > > realized that radio would never be the same when some FM stations, > > like WVBF (nee WKOX-FM), began employing Top 40 formats in the early- > > to -mid-70's. > > At UMass Amherst, I think it was because of the FM signal that WHYN > was a popular station for many of us. WBZ came in reasonably well in > the daytime, but not at night. That left WHYN or distant and > unreliable AM stations -- probably WKBW and WPTR. > > > How many of us had FM converters in our cars? I used mine from around > > 1970, when I first bought it in Mass., until 1979 when I purchased my > > first brand-new car here in Maine. Audiovox was the brand. It worked > > really well. > > I got an FM converter sometime in the 1980s, after WCRB left the AM > dial. It was a Realistic from Radio Shack. I had a 1970 Dodge Dart > at the time. My next car, my parents' 1977 Oldsmobile, had an AM-FM > radio. But since it was a mid-1970s American car, some of the > strangest things came apart! > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jun 19 15:10:25 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:10:25 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <02a001c7b2a5$7ea096b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I got mine around 1970 or '71, mostly because I wanted to be able to hear WCRB up on the North Shore, where I went to college, and on the ride back home to Ashburnham. The reception was good. I still had the converter when I moved to the Athol area a few years later, and listened to WCRB regularly up there. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > On 19 Jun 2007 Doug Drown wrote: > > > Back in the late '60s, a few AM rockers were simulcasting on FM for at > > least part of the day ---WBZ and WHYN come to mind particularly. I > > thought that was cool, because the signals were so much clearer. I > > realized that radio would never be the same when some FM stations, > > like WVBF (nee WKOX-FM), began employing Top 40 formats in the early- > > to -mid-70's. > > At UMass Amherst, I think it was because of the FM signal that WHYN > was a popular station for many of us. WBZ came in reasonably well in > the daytime, but not at night. That left WHYN or distant and > unreliable AM stations -- probably WKBW and WPTR. > > > How many of us had FM converters in our cars? I used mine from around > > 1970, when I first bought it in Mass., until 1979 when I purchased my > > first brand-new car here in Maine. Audiovox was the brand. It worked > > really well. > > I got an FM converter sometime in the 1980s, after WCRB left the AM > dial. It was a Realistic from Radio Shack. I had a 1970 Dodge Dart > at the time. My next car, my parents' 1977 Oldsmobile, had an AM-FM > radio. But since it was a mid-1970s American car, some of the > strangest things came apart! > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 16:18:19 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: <7937263.1182284299277.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:48:28 -0400 > Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer > Davis never aired on WBZ, instead they used a group > called "The Jordan Brothers" I don't recall ANY Boston station playing the Spencer Davis original when "Gimme Some Lovin'" was a hit. WBZ, WMEX, and WRKO-FM (the AM didn't go music until a few months later) ALL played The Jordan Brothers cover. The only place where I heard the Spencer Davis original at the time was on New York stations skipping in at night (WABC, WPTR, WKBW, etc...). Of course, the original Spencer Davis version came back as an Oldie everywhere soon thereafter, and the Jordan Brothers version got "lost". EP From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 15:17:45 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:17:45 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <029c01c7b2a5$0ed0a050$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> <029c01c7b2a5$0ed0a050$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770706191217s31c38207w53bdf550c6d1c485@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Doug Drown wrote: > WHYN had a lesser Top 40 competitor in Springfield; was it WMAS or WSPR? > > -Doug WTXL out of West Springfield http://www.springfieldradio.com/wtxl.html From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 19 16:50:25 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:50:25 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <7937263.1182284299277.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7937263.1182284299277.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706191350t5736c742y392e21e43b6538@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Eli Polonsky wrote: > I don't recall ANY Boston station playing the Spencer > Davis original when "Gimme Some Lovin'" was a hit. > Of course, the original Spencer Davis version came > back as an Oldie everywhere soon thereafter, and the > Jordan Brothers version got "lost". > > EP Then on occasion the opposite happened. There was a song in early 1967 (98.6 by Keith) that never got any traction in Boston on either WMEX or WBZ but did well nationally. Then in 1968 WRKO released their first solid gold album and 98.6 was on it and it has been played in Boston ever since. If there is any good coming from WODS reairing "American Top 40" is you will hear many tracks not heard for 30 years. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 19 14:01:54 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:01:54 -0500 Subject: ESPN-Boston problems? Message-ID: <20070619180155.3ECD116427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: "'John Francini'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: ESPN-Boston problems? >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:49:11 -0400 >They probably (erroneously) think 1400 covers the high population areas of >Southern NH. Chris Hall mentioned on radio-info.com's Boston Board that he's at work right now installing a new transmitter for the Lawrence antenna. It covers Salem, Plaistow Pelham pretty well during the daytime at least. (I suppose in Pelham, parts of the town pick up Lowell, other parts Lawrence. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Tue Jun 19 14:55:13 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:55:13 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos References: <189545.50023.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4678146F.9050407@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <00b301c7b2a3$5e5153b0$633f434b@DG07P241> Perhaps he is "sleeping in" and not doing the first hour or two? I'm generally an early listener..... Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: Cc: "Paul B Currier" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Gil Santos > Sean Smyth wrote: > > Gil is owed some comp time, I'm sure. > > > > (Wasn't Gil on this morning?) He's got a super delivery. I've always > admired him for his amazing consistency regardless of that the gig. He > could be funny with Maynard, etc., great rapport with Gary. His > Patriot's calls worthy of radio audio/TV video. Most importantly, none > of his work has been about "Gil." (New guys take note.) > > Bill O'Neill > From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 19 14:26:42 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:42 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Jun 2007 Doug Drown wrote: > Back in the late '60s, a few AM rockers were simulcasting on FM for at > least part of the day ---WBZ and WHYN come to mind particularly. I > thought that was cool, because the signals were so much clearer. I > realized that radio would never be the same when some FM stations, > like WVBF (nee WKOX-FM), began employing Top 40 formats in the early- > to -mid-70's. At UMass Amherst, I think it was because of the FM signal that WHYN was a popular station for many of us. WBZ came in reasonably well in the daytime, but not at night. That left WHYN or distant and unreliable AM stations -- probably WKBW and WPTR. > How many of us had FM converters in our cars? I used mine from around > 1970, when I first bought it in Mass., until 1979 when I purchased my > first brand-new car here in Maine. Audiovox was the brand. It worked > really well. I got an FM converter sometime in the 1980s, after WCRB left the AM dial. It was a Realistic from Radio Shack. I had a 1970 Dodge Dart at the time. My next car, my parents' 1977 Oldsmobile, had an AM-FM radio. But since it was a mid-1970s American car, some of the strangest things came apart! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 18:44:02 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:44:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Donna Halper > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: Roger Kirk , Kevin Vahey > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:47:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > Btw, anybody recall a song by a group called the New Hope-- > "Won't Find Better Than Me"? It was only a hit in certain > cities, but it got a lot of airplay in Boston... I remember it, and nowadays it's occasionally heard on Ron Dwyer's oldies show on WATD in Marshfield. Mondays 8-10 PM, Wednesdays through Thursdays 7-10 PM, Saturdays 2-6 PM. EP From radiotest@cox.net Tue Jun 19 19:03:03 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:03:03 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619185321.038ae6b8@cox.net> At 02:26 PM 6/19/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >At UMass Amherst, I think it was because of the FM signal that WHYN >was a popular station for many of us. WBZ came in reasonably well in >the daytime, but not at night. That left WHYN or distant and >unreliable AM stations -- probably WKBW and WPTR. Both WKBK and WPTR came in fine at night on a decent radio, as did WBZ. I was just using an AA5 around 1970 at UMass, but it had been carefully aligned, and with a semi-longwire did pretty well. I got the NYC clears fine 24/7, and used to listen to Jean Shepherd on WOR and Dan Ingram on WABC. WHYN also had a good AM signal into Amherst, but so did WACE. Although it was just a daytimer, it was 5 kw non-d, and with a Dan Churchill ground system that was always wet (right behind the levee in Chicopee) and on a Mexican clear channel (730) it had quite a signal. When I worked at WACE a few years later we had to run some tests in the wee hours and got a reception report from West Germany. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From radiotest@cox.net Tue Jun 19 18:50:29 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:50:29 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706191217s31c38207w53bdf550c6d1c485@mail.gmail.co m> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4677D992.14610.5205BCE@Joe.attorneyross.com> <029c01c7b2a5$0ed0a050$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770706191217s31c38207w53bdf550c6d1c485@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619184212.037f62b8@cox.net> At 03:17 PM 6/19/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >WTXL out of West Springfield Those photos bring back memories. In the early '70s Jay Policow worked there (he is now, and for many years has been, production director for Infinity in Hartford). That was the first station I ever saw with a parking lot on top of their ground system. I can't nail the model of console at first glance. I'll have a look through my catalogs this evening and see if I can ID it. I think the cart machines are ATC, probably rebranded as Gates - ATC, IIRC, later became ITC. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From lspin@comcast.net Tue Jun 19 20:47:10 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:47:10 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost classics, New Hope comes up. Great song! Was this only a WBZ song, or did WMEX play it, too? Thanks for bringing it up. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:44 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > From: Donna Halper > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: Roger Kirk , Kevin Vahey > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:47:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > Btw, anybody recall a song by a group called the New Hope-- > "Won't Find Better Than Me"? It was only a hit in certain > cities, but it got a lot of airplay in Boston... I remember it, and nowadays it's occasionally heard on Ron Dwyer's oldies show on WATD in Marshfield. Mondays 8-10 PM, Wednesdays through Thursdays 7-10 PM, Saturdays 2-6 PM. EP From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 21:14:27 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:14:27 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: -- Lou wrote: > Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost > classics, New Hope comes up. Great song! Was this only > a WBZ song, or did WMEX play it, too? > Thanks for bringing it up. It was a #57 national Billboard hit in February, 1970. As I recall, it was briefly on all the Top 40 stations around Boston. WBZ had gone to MOR by then, so I don't think they played it, but it was on WMEX, WRKO, WKOX-FM, etc... though not for long. A very minor hit that was not played heavily, and that disappeared quickly. > > > From: Donna Halper > > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > To: Roger Kirk , Kevin Vahey > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:47:15 -0400 > > Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > > > Btw, anybody recall a song by a group called the New Hope-- > > "Won't Find Better Than Me"? It was only a hit in certain > > cities, but it got a lot of airplay in Boston... From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 19 23:02:00 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <20070619164725.3D4F71B6B3E@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> <20070619164725.3D4F71B6B3E@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <467898A8.1020205@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: > A number > of the disc jockeys had close relationships with record promoters, and > while I would like to say that such friendships never influenced what > got played, the evidence says they did. I know from talking to various > people (as well as from my own observations when I became a college > music director and met some of the local record promoters) that even in > the 60s, despite the big payola scandals of the late 50s, the influence > of certain promo men (and nearly all of them were guys, back then) > continued to occur, although in more subtle ways. And yes, a d.j. might > play a version of a song just because a particular promoter was working > that record and "really needed an ad this week". That's also how a lot > of "local hits" happened-- in some cases, yes the jock or the PD loved > the song and wanted to play it, but in other cases, a record promoter's > ties to the song or the artist, and the resulting benefits that accrued > to the announcer who then gave the song some attention, were key factors > in how decisions were made. Interesting, because both the Jordan Brothers and the Changing Times were on Philips Records. Perhaps their Portland Rep was more aggressive up front. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 19 23:04:05 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:04:05 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46789925.3000200@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > When WBZ ruled the roost as a Top 40 station they once in awhile would > play a cover of a known national hit instead of the original artist. > > 2 of these records I can remember. > > Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer Davis never aired on > WBZ, instead they used a group called "The Jordan Brothers" > Note the chart action: http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/charts_item.php?hsid=20240&qst=Massachusetts From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 20 02:27:36 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:27:36 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <46788288.13560.4BDD63@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Jun 2007 at 20:47, Lou wrote: > Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost classics, New > Hope comes up. Great song! Was this only a WBZ song, or did WMEX > play it, too? Thanks for bringing it up. I don't remember it at all. But the classic I just thought of was a song called "High School, USA." It had a number of regional versions which listed a bunch of local high schools. I didn't know that at the time and wondered whether the whole country was hearing a song that mentioned Boston-area schools. There was another one which I thought, at first, was some national hit. I think it was called "Song of the City," and it sang the praises of "Boston, Boston, that's my home town." But the song ended with "The most wonderful sound of our home town is WCOP, Boston, Boston, that's my home town." Of course, it was only heard on WCOP. A very clever promotion. I wonder who performed it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 20 02:27:36 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:27:36 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706190736s9a0e7fbh3d8081ff93ae506@mail.gmail.com> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <4fc429770706190736s9a0e7fbh3d8081ff93ae506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46788288.17690.4BDE5D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Jun 2007 at 10:36, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WRKO-FM came along in 1965 or 6 and WKOX-FM went Top 40 after WJIB-FM > clobbered them in the beautiful music department. As I recall, it was when the FCC began to require AM-FM combos to do a certain amount of separate programming that WRKO-FM began doing automated rock & roll music ARKO-Matic something or other. The rest of the time, they simulcasted WNAC as before. Because this half- hearted compliance with FCC regs actually drew an audience, the Powers that Were converted WNAC into WRKO and started a top-40 format. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 20 02:27:36 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:27:36 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706190851i1dbeb5d6nb5dd6f376e13909@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com>, <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net>, <4fc429770706190851i1dbeb5d6nb5dd6f376e13909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46788288.30481.4BDECA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Jun 2007 at 11:51, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I emailed Dick Summer and he said > Hi Kevin, nice to hear from you. It's hard for most people to imagine > these days, but BZ didn' t have a format or a play list. We played > what we wanted to play. So a lot of stuff came up that "didn't make > sense." We were just having fun. It's special to be remembered for all > those years... WBZ often played some of the darndest things back then, and it was part of the fun of listening to the station. It was one of the few stations to give some on-air exposure to a rather odd album called "The Baroque Beatles Book," in which a baroque ensemble, along with a choir in some cuts, performed various Beatles songs in genuine Baroque style. ("The Royal Beatleworks Music", "Cantata for the Third Saturday After Shea Stadium", etc. "Help" done as an aria, and "Hold Me Tight" played on a harpsichord) It certainly wasn't played on any of the classical stations, and I don't think it was on WRKO or WMEX or WHYN. And if I hadn't heard excerpts on WBZ, I wouldn't have known about it. When I heard it, I just had to have it, and, since I couldn't find it in Amherst, I made a special bus trip into Northampton to get a copy. I still enjoy it today, and I particularly like having it on and seeing how long it takes someone to catch on to what it is. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 20 02:19:14 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:19:14 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <20070620061923.06C5144C569@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 08:47 PM 6/19/2007, Lou wrote: >Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost classics, New Hope >comes up. Great song! Was this only a WBZ song, or did WMEX play it, too? >Thanks for bringing it up. I think both played it, and at night, one of the two even played the album version with the long piano intro. Very cool. 8-) But speaking of local hits and paper adds, remember "King of the Hill" by Oak? I doubt most top 40 stations ever played it, except in Boston maybe. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 20 02:24:36 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:24:36 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <46788288.30481.4BDECA@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> <4fc429770706190851i1dbeb5d6nb5dd6f376e13909@mail.gmail.com> <46788288.30481.4BDECA@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20070620062445.0681744C516@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Joe Ross wrote-- > >WBZ often played some of the darndest things back then, and it was >part of the fun of listening to the station. Absolutely. I remember Bruce Bradley playing Screaming Jay Hawkins version of "I Put a Spell on You" which he often cut up and used for drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called). He also played "Grandpa's Grave" by Peter Sellers ("We're removing grandpa's grave to build a sewer..." Ah they don't write 'em like that any more!) From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 01:19:54 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:19:54 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <18038.42948.854228.772309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4672E441.5050703@ttlc.net> <004e01c7b11b$4ab0e9d0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <20070617220025.82C1868CB23@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770706171534x22d16adasb8eba2a73f918dc9@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770706180658v7a736d93m2b69177d7ea037ed@mail.gmail.com> <019b01c7b1be$3c97c370$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18038.42948.854228.772309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770706192219w745cb6f1pcd89f936acdf1d6e@mail.gmail.com> Roger Those charts show I was wrong about Ballou still being there in late 71 but they also answer my question about WMEX going to 24 hour music when Fredricks left for WEEI in mid 71. Bill Lawrence came from WFEA and King Arthur from WICE. From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jun 20 07:12:45 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:12:45 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <46788288.13560.4BDD63@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <46788288.13560.4BDD63@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <46790BAD.9060302@tampabay.rr.com> About when was that song on WCOP? I worked there as an engineer for 1970-75. I don't recall the song, but can check with some form colleagues. Regards, Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 19 Jun 2007 at 20:47, Lou wrote: > > >> Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost classics, New >> Hope comes up. Great song! Was this only a WBZ song, or did WMEX >> play it, too? Thanks for bringing it up. >> > > I don't remember it at all. But the classic I just thought of was a > song called "High School, USA." It had a number of regional versions > which listed a bunch of local high schools. I didn't know that at > the time and wondered whether the whole country was hearing a song > that mentioned Boston-area schools. > > There was another one which I thought, at first, was some national > hit. I think it was called "Song of the City," and it sang the > praises of "Boston, Boston, that's my home town." But the song ended > with "The most wonderful sound of our home town is WCOP, Boston, > Boston, that's my home town." Of course, it was only heard on WCOP. > A very clever promotion. I wonder who performed it. > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jun 20 09:32:50 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:32:50 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... Message-ID: <46792C82.2010504@ttlc.net> Based on the Station Charts, it would appear that their Top 30 did not reflect the LP cuts being played. However, both RKO & MEX listed the top LP's in Boston - and their LP cuts were from them. Except for the "Classic" LP cuts that RKO played. In September of 71, the WMEX Top 30 was pretty much the same as WRKO's. Air Staff: Ron Robin 6-10 Dan O'Brien 10-2 John H 2-6 Al Carter 6-10 (Al Carp former WRKO tech, orig. from Manchester Market) Randy Boone 10-Mid Bill Lawrence Dawn Patrol Shorter Shifts http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/surveys_item.php?svid=3734&lidx=5778<tl=6696&lcnt=20&srt1=call&srt2=tsc_psv%20DESC -------------------- February of 72, Again pretty much the same stuff as RKO was playing Jim Connors 5:30-9 Bill Lawrence 9-Noon Tom Allen Noon-3 J Michael Wilson 3-7 King Arthur Knight 7-Mid Jerry Gordon Mid-4 Longer Shifts. http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/charts_view.php?svid=604 -------------------- In December 1972 WMEX, the Top 30 (with few exceptions) was the same as WRKO's IIRC Air Staff: Neil Gran 5:30-10:00 Bill Lawrence 10:00-3:00 Tom Allen 3:00 - 7:00 King Arthur Knight 7:00-Mid Dan Donovan Mid-4:00 Longer Shifts WMEX Dec 72 http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/surveys_item.php?svid=5470&lidx=5771<tl=6696&lcnt=20&srt1=call&srt2=tsc_psv%20DESC WRKO Nov 72: http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/surveys_item.php?svid=3978&lidx=6194<tl=6696&lcnt=20&srt1=call&srt2=tsc_psv%20DESC From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 20 10:05:27 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:05:27 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c7b344$0e7a69c0$ae864c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > When WBZ ruled the roost as a Top 40 station they once in awhile would > play a cover of a known national hit instead of the original artist. > > 2 of these records I can remember. > > Gimme Some Lovin which was a huge hit by Spencer Davis never aired on > WBZ, instead they used a group called "The Jordan Brothers" > > The other was "Winchester Cathedral" which was a hit by the The New > Vaudeville Band but WBZ played a version by "The New Happiness" > > I was listening to WRKO-FM (Arko, the Shy but Friendly Robot) almost exclusively in the winter of 1966-67,. when both of those songs were hits. Arko played only the Jordan Brothers and New Vaudeville Band versions. The first time I heard the Spencer Davis Group's "Gimme Some Lovin'" was the following spring on WRKO(AM). I have yet to hear the New Happiness "Winchester Cathedral" anywhere; WDRC-FM Hartford plays the New Vaudeville Band version on its "Big D on HD" HD-2 stream. Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 20 10:06:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:06:22 -0500 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? Message-ID: <20070620140622.B9BFB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Fybush reports in NERW that WGBH is indeed dropping Open Source in favor of jazz, and that also could spell the end of the Friday 7 pm offering, On The Media. http://fybush.com/nerw.html From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 10:12:26 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:12:26 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <005301c7b344$0e7a69c0$ae864c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <005301c7b344$0e7a69c0$ae864c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770706200712q3ea8cdd6o8d860f28a641eb6c@mail.gmail.com> chart search shows the New Happiness version in only 3 markets WBZ, San Antonio and Grand Rapids http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/charts_item.php?hsid=19963 >> I was listening to WRKO-FM (Arko, the Shy but Friendly Robot) almost > exclusively in the winter of 1966-67,. when both of those songs were hits. > Arko played only the Jordan Brothers and New Vaudeville Band versions. The > first time I heard the Spencer Davis Group's "Gimme Some Lovin'" was the > following spring on WRKO(AM). I have yet to hear the New Happiness > "Winchester Cathedral" anywhere; WDRC-FM Hartford plays the New Vaudeville > Band version on its "Big D on HD" HD-2 stream. > > Howard > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 20 10:39:47 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:39:47 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? In-Reply-To: <20070620140622.B9BFB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070620140622.B9BFB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46793C33.3050908@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Fybush reports in NERW that WGBH is indeed dropping Open Source in favor of jazz, and that also could > spell the end of the Friday 7 pm offering, On The Media. > > http://fybush.com/nerw.html > > Actually, it turns out Fybush was premature on that - a release yesterday says The World will get a repeat play at 7 on 89.7, five days a week, which still spells the end of the Friday run of OTM... s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jun 20 11:01:26 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:01:26 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706200712q3ea8cdd6o8d860f28a641eb6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <005301c7b344$0e7a69c0$ae864c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770706200712q3ea8cdd6o8d860f28a641eb6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46794146.50205@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > chart search shows the New Happiness version in only 3 markets > > WBZ, San Antonio and Grand Rapids > > http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/charts_item.php?hsid=19963 Pursuing the notion that record reps had influence, is it possible that because of the large number of releases on Fontana in 1966, that going with another label for Winchester Cathedral was possibly a favor to someone? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 11:11:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:11:46 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <46794146.50205@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <005301c7b344$0e7a69c0$ae864c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770706200712q3ea8cdd6o8d860f28a641eb6c@mail.gmail.com> <46794146.50205@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770706200811y77b81f53m33a52eea1e3b5ea4@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > Pursuing the notion that record reps had influence, is it possible that > because of the large number of releases on Fontana in 1966, that going > with another label for Winchester Cathedral was possibly a favor to someone? Bruce Bradley used to joke on the air about a "record promoter" with the name of Rock Needleman and did so often. I always thought Needleman was a gag until I met him on the infamous night of of the Sgt Peper release. Dick Summer (among others) started airing the album a day early ( Summer on WBZ-FM) and Needleman showed up at WTBS with a copy and said it was OK to play it. I believe somebody at WBZ had a copy flown in from London where the album had been released the day before it would have been in the US. From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Jun 20 12:16:42 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:16:42 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: "Lou" > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:27:36 -0500 > Subject: RE: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > There was another one which I thought, at first, was some > national hit. I think it was called "Song of the City," > and it sang the praises of "Boston, Boston, that's my home > town." But the song ended with "The most wonderful sound > of our home town is WCOP, Boston, Boston, that's my home > town." Of course, it was only heard on WCOP. > A very clever promotion. I wonder who performed it. "Boston, My Home Town" was a minor regional hit circa early or mid-60's for rock'n'roll singer and Lynn, MA native Freddy Cannon, better known for national hits "Palisades Park", "Way Down Yonder In New Orleans", "Tallahassee Lassie", "Action" (theme for the TV show "Where The Action Is"), and many more. Since Cannon was locally based, he did many radio station promotions in the area, so it would make sense that he would record a custom version, or a custom ending tag, of the song for WCOP when it was still a Top 40 rocker at the time. Though historical accounts list WCOP as flipping from Top 40 to Country in the late 60's or early 70's, I seem to recall WCOP having gone Country by 1966, or at the latest 1967. EP From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 12:23:27 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:23:27 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770706200923j133d7979n569c922c6ca9a0f4@mail.gmail.com> > Though historical accounts list WCOP as flipping from Top 40 > to Country in the late 60's or early 70's, I seem to recall > WCOP having gone Country by 1966, or at the latest 1967. > They flipped much, much earlier probably early 1962 when they went back to MOR. I know this because growing up in North Cambridge they had a much stronger signal than WMEX. They used to have the Pepsi Dance Party every Saturday night with Ken Carter at the Elliot Ballroom in Porter Square. Carter went on to buy 950 WORL (WRYT-WROL) Carter even made WORL a Top 40 station in 1965 but being a daytimer they were doomed. I assume WCOP lost the Top 40 wars with WMEX because they had no signal to speak of north of Revere at night. I remember Dom Valentino doing a soccer game from Manning Bowl in the late 60's and they could not hear the station in Lynn. But WCOP did run one of my favorite programs of all time NBC Monitor From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 20 13:14:01 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:14:01 -0500 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? Message-ID: <20070620171401.712EE16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:39:47 -0400 >Bob Nelson wrote: > Fybush reports in NERW that WGBH is indeed dropping Open Source > in favor of jazz, and that also could > spell the end of the Friday 7 pm offering, On The Media. > > http://fybush.com/nerw.html > > Bummer...other than the WGBH broadcast, I have just two chances to listen to OtM on the radio, and they're both on Sundays, either WEVO or WBUR. Failing that, then I have to resort to the intenets and sit there with my headset on for 55 minutes. Actually, it turns out Fybush was premature on that - a release yesterday says The World will get a repeat play at 7 on 89.7, five days a week, which still spells the end of the Friday run of OTM... s -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 13:16:44 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:16:44 -0400 Subject: Radio Free Allston Brighton Message-ID: <010901c7b35e$c96ab5e0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Does anyone know what happenned to Radio Free Allston Brighton? Last I heard they moved to Kenmore Square and were operating legitimately within legal limits. don From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 13:47:55 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:47:55 -0400 Subject: Catching "On the Media" (Was: Re: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? References: <20070620171401.712EE16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <027d01c7b363$be4c8ad0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> > Bummer...other than the WGBH broadcast, I have just two chances to listen > to > OtM on the radio, and they're both on Sundays, either WEVO or WBUR. > Failing that, then I have to resort to the intenets and sit there with my > headset on for 55 minutes. I download the mp3 from the OTM website...and burn it to CD. I listen to it during one of my long car rides oce a week. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 20 16:22:04 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:22:04 -0500 Subject: Alterations To WNSH's Schedule Message-ID: <20070620202204.E8CB41BF2AE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly, MA had been running an all-female (at least during the day) format, but this morning (06/20) I noticed that from 9:00 am until noon, the station is airing the last hour of Doug Stephan's "Good Day" and then the G. Gordon Liddy show. Both of these hosts are burdened by the 'Y' chromosome. This change, whether it's permanent or not, is not reflected on WNSH's website, that also proclaims its intention to boost its power to 50,000 watts (since adjusted down to a mere 30,000 watts) -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From me@billoneill.us Wed Jun 20 17:47:36 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:47:36 -0400 Subject: Alterations To WNSH's Schedule In-Reply-To: <20070620202204.E8CB41BF2AE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070620202204.E8CB41BF2AE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4679A078.6050405@billoneill.us> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Both of these hosts are burdened by the 'Y' chromosome. > This change, whether it's permanent or not, is not reflected on > WNSH's website, that also proclaims its intention to boost its > power to 50,000 watts However, if that boost lasts longer than four hours consult your engineering doctor right away. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Wed Jun 20 18:18:24 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:18:24 -0400 Subject: VPR Classical Message-ID: <4679A7B0.7050007@billoneill.us> Great to learn from Mr. Fybush in his latest must-read edition of NERW that VPR will land its classical service on a decent FM signal for the Champlain Valley at 90.9 (Schuyler Falls NY). That will add to the classical options in the area along with WCVT (101.3 Stowe). Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:50:29 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alterations To WNSH's Schedule - 1 In-Reply-To: <4679A078.6050405@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <477075.19940.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > > WNSH's website, that also proclaims its intention > to boost its > > power to 50,000 watts > > However, if that boost lasts longer than four hours > consult your > engineering doctor right away. Or, pop the champagne...! ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:36:47 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:36:47 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <20070620061923.06C5144C569@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c7b3a4$a2a0e3d0$a6d38018@Mark> Donna Halper wrote: > But speaking of local hits and paper adds, remember "King of the Hill" by > Oak? I doubt most top 40 stations ever played it, except in Boston maybe. Rick Pinette & Oak were from the Lewiston Maine area. "King of the Hill" was played on WRKO and WVBF. I don't recall if it was ever played on WHDH or WBZ. In the Merrimack Valley WLLH played it also, I don't believe WCAP or WCCM did. I recall when visiting a friend in Portland in 1980, "King of the Hill" was played on WGAN (full service AC), WJBQ (still at 106.3), WLOB (was playing top 40 & oldies) and WIDE. The song peaked in the mid-30's nationally. It's on one of Barry Scott's "Lost 45's" CD's he released a few years back. Does anyone remember Rick Pinette & Oak's 1979 local hit "This Is Love"? Did not make the top 40 nationally (peaked in the upper 50's IIRC). Was played on WLLH, I think WRKO and WVBF may have played it as well, I'll have to dig through my old survey files to check on that. Mark Watson From lspin@comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:37:06 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:37:06 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <20070620061923.06C5144C569@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00c901c7b2d4$89c1d160$6701a8c0@DAS8200> <20070620061923.06C5144C569@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <003f01c7b3a4$ae24bc40$6701a8c0@DAS8200> "King of The Hill" was played a lot on WHDH. I always thought that the band Oak was borrowing from the Styx sound, riding on the coattails of their success (at that time). -Lou -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper [mailto:dlh@donnahalper.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:19 AM I think both played it, and at night, one of the two even played the album version with the long piano intro. Very cool. 8-) But speaking of local hits and paper adds, remember "King of the Hill" by Oak? I doubt most top 40 stations ever played it, except in Boston maybe. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:52:22 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 In-Reply-To: <20070620171401.712EE16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <442477.74404.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > >Bob Nelson wrote: > > Fybush reports in NERW that WGBH is indeed > dropping Open Source > > in favor of jazz... Do you think it's time for Chris Lydon to make a deal with WBUR? ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:52:42 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:52:42 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com> <4677F7F5.7070602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <00d401c7b3a6$db9ea9e0$a6d38018@Mark> Roger Kirk wrote: > They also played "The Pied Piper" by the Changing Times instead of > Crispian St. Peters. "J.C." (Jim Camilli) played both versions of "The Pied Piper" on his Saturday night oldies show on WLLH. I also heard him play the Changing Times version one night a couple of years back early in the night at his twice weekly (Friday & Saturday night) oldies show & dance at Cappy's Copper Kettle in Lowell, where he's been spinning the oldies about 12 years now. Still plays records and some stuff on tape. Still draws a decent crowd most nights too. Mark Watson From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:54:08 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits - 3 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706200811y77b81f53m33a52eea1e3b5ea4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <566406.75534.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > Bruce Bradley used to joke on the air about a > "record promoter" with > the name of Rock Needleman and did so often. > > I always thought Needleman was a gag until I met him > on the infamous > night of of the Sgt Peper release. Wasn't Rock Needleman the name that Bruce Bradley gave to Arthur Katz? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 20 21:55:26 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:55:26 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070621015536.0F68768CE74@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Elie wrote-- > >"Boston, My Home Town" was a minor regional hit circa early >or mid-60's for rock'n'roll singer and Lynn, MA native Freddy >Cannon, better known for national hits "Palisades Park", "Way >Down Yonder In New Orleans", "Tallahassee Lassie", "Action" >(theme for the TV show "Where The Action Is"), and many more. I think that was a different song. The song by Freddy Cannon ended with spelling out Massachusetts in a chant (M A double S A CHU S E double T S) -- a lot of kids learned how to spell it thanks to Freddy! From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:44:59 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:59 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com><00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200><4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com><4fc429770706190454k75fa71a9s351a047a86061cac@mail.gmail.com><025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770706190736s9a0e7fbh3d8081ff93ae506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c501c7b3a5$c7936590$a6d38018@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The first station I remember hearing Top 40 on FM was WLLH-FM and all > these years later can reme these years later can remember a Jack Peterson > being their #1 jock. Jack Peterson was with WLLH from 1963 till 1980. I believe he started out on nights, then moved into afternoons, then mornings for many years, all through the 70's up until he left in '80. He was also PD at least twice during his 17 years at LLH. He also took over high school football play by play duties when Tom Clayton cut back his work schedule in the 70's. I believe he may have done the color commentary alongside Clayton. Very nice person off the air as well. Jack left LLH to go to WNBH in New Bedford, where he stayed until being let go when they went birdfeed in the mid or late 90's. Last I heard he's now at WNBH in New Bedford doing news, hosting a weekly sports call in show and still doing high school sports play by play. Mark Watson From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:23:23 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:23:23 -0400 Subject: Boston songs (early '60s) Message-ID: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> The Boston My Home Town song was on WCOP in 1961. I remember it well since I was 12 then and WCOP "ruled school" in Arlington at the time. Another Boston-themed song I remember from around that time were "Banned in Boston" by Merv Griffin ("Now she's banned in Boston, condemned in Cleveland, and banished in Baltimore; she is now taboo in Philly and St. Lou and Chicago doesn't dig her anymore.") Freddy Cannon had a Boston My Home Town hit and Peggy Lee's "Boston Beans" went something like "No beans in Boston, plenty of fish, Chinese food if that's your dish, steaks and chops make a wonderful fare but I couldn't find any Boston beans there." Tommy Facenda's High School USA did have a Boston version - played on WCOP and WMEX - with numerous mispronounced town names: Rosedale for Roslindale, Jam Plain for Jamaica Plain. Any local kid could tell that the record was thrown together in Hollywood or NYC with Facenda taking his best shot at it from the Rand McNally road atlas. Nobody thought for a moment that he was from Reveah, Meffa, or Bricka High. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << From: Jon Maguire Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:12:45 -0400 About when was that song on WCOP? I worked there as an engineer for 1970-75. I don't recall the song, but can check with some form colleagues. Regards, Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 19 Jun 2007 at 20:47, Lou wrote: > > >> Wow... Just when you think you've found all the lost classics, New >> Hope comes up. Great song! Was this only a WBZ song, or did WMEX >> play it, too? Thanks for bringing it up. >> > > I don't remember it at all. But the classic I just thought of was a > song called "High School, USA." It had a number of regional versions > which listed a bunch of local high schools. I didn't know that at > the time and wondered whether the whole country was hearing a song > that mentioned Boston-area schools. > > There was another one which I thought, at first, was some national > hit. I think it was called "Song of the City," and it sang the > praises of "Boston, Boston, that's my home town." But the song ended > with "The most wonderful sound of our home town is WCOP, Boston, > Boston, that's my home town." Of course, it was only heard on WCOP. > A very clever promotion. I wonder who performed it. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 20 22:42:21 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:42:21 -0400 Subject: Boston songs (early '60s) In-Reply-To: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070621024231.152C344C113@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 10:23 PM 6/20/2007, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: >The Boston My Home Town song was on WCOP in 1961. I remember it >well since I was 12 then and WCOP "ruled school" in Arlington at the time. >Another Boston-themed song I remember from around that time were >"Banned in Boston" by Merv Griffin ("Now she's banned in Boston, >condemned in Cleveland, and banished in Baltimore; she is now taboo >in Philly and St. Lou and Chicago doesn't dig her anymore.") Freddy >Cannon had a Boston My Home Town hit and Peggy Lee's "Boston Beans" >went something like "No beans in Boston, plenty of fish, Chinese >food if that's your dish, steaks and chops make a wonderful fare but >I couldn't find any Boston beans there." Tommy Facenda's High >School USA did have a Boston version - played on WCOP and WMEX - >with numerous mispronounced town names: Rosedale for Roslindale, Jam >Plain for Jamaica Plain. Any local kid could tell that the record >was thrown together in Hollywood or NYC with Facenda taking his best >shot at it from the Rand McNally road atlas. Actually, Facenda got a hand-written list of towns from somebody at his record company and they included the abbreviations (Jam. Plain) as well mis-spellings (Wesley rather than Wellesley). He had to do about 12 versions, so I am amazed he did anything even remotely close! And I too recall Banned in Boston-- I remember vaguely a local TV show played it in 1961 and Bob Clayton of WHDH lip-synched some of the words before the singer started singing the chorus, like "and she was..." and "now she's been..." From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 23:02:19 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:02:19 -0400 Subject: Boston songs (early '60s) In-Reply-To: <20070621024231.152C344C113@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> <20070621024231.152C344C113@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706202002x18c80960yb4fca0014981f244@mail.gmail.com> Oh lord...a Bob Clayton shout out...cue the Benny Goodman theme for Boston Ballroom. BTW back in the 50's the Red Sox on Wednesday would start games at 8:30 PM so WHDH could air Mission Church On 6/20/07, Donna Halper wrote: > At 10:23 PM 6/20/2007, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > >The Boston My Home Town song was on WCOP in 1961. I remember it > >well since I was 12 then and WCOP "ruled school" in Arlington at the time. > >Another Boston-themed song I remember from around that time were > >"Banned in Boston" by Merv Griffin ("Now she's banned in Boston, > >condemned in Cleveland, and banished in Baltimore; she is now taboo > >in Philly and St. Lou and Chicago doesn't dig her anymore.") Freddy > >Cannon had a Boston My Home Town hit and Peggy Lee's "Boston Beans" > >went something like "No beans in Boston, plenty of fish, Chinese > >food if that's your dish, steaks and chops make a wonderful fare but > >I couldn't find any Boston beans there." Tommy Facenda's High > >School USA did have a Boston version - played on WCOP and WMEX - > >with numerous mispronounced town names: Rosedale for Roslindale, Jam > >Plain for Jamaica Plain. Any local kid could tell that the record > >was thrown together in Hollywood or NYC with Facenda taking his best > >shot at it from the Rand McNally road atlas. > > Actually, Facenda got a hand-written list of towns from somebody at > his record company and they included the abbreviations (Jam. Plain) > as well mis-spellings (Wesley rather than Wellesley). He had to do > about 12 versions, so I am amazed he did anything even remotely > close! And I too recall Banned in Boston-- I remember vaguely a > local TV show played it in 1961 and Bob Clayton of WHDH lip-synched > some of the words before the singer started singing the chorus, like > "and she was..." and "now she's been..." > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jun 21 00:29:21 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:29:21 -0400 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com><521b7fd10706181514n54585915v15f156666f62b0b4@mail.gmail.com><00c901c7b223$a5d13820$6701a8c0@DAS8200><4677346A.8556.D66F53@joe.attorneyross.com><4fc429770706190454k75fa71a9s351a047a86061cac@mail.gmail.com><025001c7b284$02e24940$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770706190736s9a0e7fbh3d8081ff93ae506@mail.gmail.com> <00c501c7b3a5$c7936590$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <03ce01c7b3bc$be1b6b40$6501a8c0@pastor2> WLLH-FM was another station some of us used to listen to in Ashburnham when I was in high school . . . WKBR-FM, too. I remember when Bill Jones ("The Jones Boy") of WMEX was on 'KBR. I thought the FCC put graveyard stations like WLLH at a real disadvantage years ago when it began insisting that AM/FM combos had to split their programming part of each day. Simulcasting on FM gave some of those little stations a chance to have much wider listening areas than they would otherwise have had with their 250-watt nighttime AM signals. On the other hand, who, back then, could have foreseen what FM would become? --Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > The first station I remember hearing Top 40 on FM was WLLH-FM and all > > these years later can reme these years later can remember a Jack Peterson > > being their #1 jock. > > Jack Peterson was with WLLH from 1963 till 1980. I believe he started out > on nights, then moved into afternoons, then mornings for many years, all > through the 70's up until he left in '80. He was also PD at least twice > during his 17 years at LLH. He also took over high school football play by > play duties when Tom Clayton cut back his work schedule in the 70's. I > believe he may have done the color commentary alongside Clayton. Very nice > person off the air as well. Jack left LLH to go to WNBH in New Bedford, > where he stayed until being let go when they went birdfeed in the mid or > late 90's. Last I heard he's now at WNBH in New Bedford doing news, hosting > a weekly sports call in show and still doing high school sports play by > play. > > Mark Watson > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 23:55:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:55:46 -0400 Subject: Alterations To WNSH's Schedule In-Reply-To: <4679A078.6050405@billoneill.us> References: <20070620202204.E8CB41BF2AE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <4679A078.6050405@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0706202055h116dc955h181bfc4027a69eef@mail.gmail.com> I could swear I heard Erich "Mancow" Muller on WNSH one day during that slot. And they weren't quite all-female radio before, as shows after 6 pm were hosted by male hosts like Michael Reagan and Jerry Doyle. On 6/20/07, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Laurence Glavin wrote: > > Both of these hosts are burdened by the 'Y' chromosome. > > This change, whether it's permanent or not, is not reflected on > > WNSH's website, that also proclaims its intention to boost its > > power to 50,000 watts > > However, if that boost lasts longer than four hours consult your > engineering doctor right away. > > Bill O'Neill > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:29 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:29 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <46790BAD.9060302@tampabay.rr.com> References: <10057629.1182293042280.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <46788288.13560.4BDD63@joe.attorneyross.com>, <46790BAD.9060302@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <4679C939.21137.761714@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Jun 2007 at 7:12, Jon Maguire wrote: > About when was that song on WCOP? I worked there as an engineer for > 1970-75. I don't recall the song, but can check with some form > colleagues. It was much earlier than that, when WCOP was still a top-40 station. WCOP dropped top-40 sometime during the summer of 1962, and that was when I discovered the madcap zaniness of WMEX. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:28 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:28 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706200811y77b81f53m33a52eea1e3b5ea4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com>, <46794146.50205@ttlc.net>, <4fc429770706200811y77b81f53m33a52eea1e3b5ea4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4679C938.21358.76134B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Jun 2007 at 11:11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bruce Bradley used to joke on the air about a "record promoter" with > the name of Rock Needleman and did so often. Bruce Bradley also had this routine he did about "Nutley Nutritional High School," whose Driver Ed teacher was "Dynaflow Needleman." He was the first person to knit his own automobile from steel wool and the first to drive from New York to Honolulu and make all the lights. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:29 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:29 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706200923j133d7979n569c922c6ca9a0f4@mail.gmail.com> References: , <4fc429770706200923j133d7979n569c922c6ca9a0f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4679C939.13766.7615AC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Jun 2007 at 12:23, Kevin Vahey wrote: > They flipped much, much earlier probably early 1962 when they went > back to MOR. I know this because growing up in North Cambridge they > had a much stronger signal than WMEX. It was summer of 1962. I know because I remember writing about it in a letter to my sister at summer camp. In Bedford, where I lived, WCOP had a very strong signal. WMEX had a good signal in the daytime, but it was often very difficult at night, with interference from WKBW at 1520. When I was in law school in the late 1960s, I discovered that the WMEX night signal faded rather badly as soon as I turned off the main road to my neighborhood. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:30 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:30 -0500 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <20070620062445.0681744C516@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770706190648w401d0c41y160704a0d5459759@mail.gmail.com>, <46788288.30481.4BDECA@joe.attorneyross.com>, <20070620062445.0681744C516@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4679C93A.23133.761B2B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Jun 2007 at 2:24, Donna Halper wrote: > Absolutely. I remember Bruce Bradley playing Screaming Jay Hawkins > version of "I Put a Spell on You" which he often cut up and used for > drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called). He also played > "Grandpa's Grave" by Peter Sellers ("We're removing grandpa's grave to > build a sewer..." Ah they don't write 'em like that any more!) I was thinking of that when I wrote that. Bruce Bradley usually would play a brief excerpt from "Grandpa's Grave." Occasionally, he played more, possibly the whole thing. I used to wonder what it was and always assumed there was more to it, since what we heard didn't seem to make sense completely. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:29 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:29 -0500 Subject: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... In-Reply-To: <03ce01c7b3bc$be1b6b40$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <477508.5235.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, <03ce01c7b3bc$be1b6b40$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4679C939.19605.76160A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Jun 2007 at 0:29, Doug Drown wrote: > WLLH-FM was another station some of us used to listen to in Ashburnham > when I was in high school . . . WKBR-FM, too. I remember when Bill > Jones ("The Jones Boy") of WMEX was on 'KBR. > > I thought the FCC put graveyard stations like WLLH at a real > disadvantage years ago when it began insisting that AM/FM combos had > to split their programming part of each day. Simulcasting on FM gave > some of those little stations a chance to have much wider listening > areas than they would otherwise have had with their 250-watt nighttime > AM signals. On the other hand, who, back then, could have foreseen > what FM would become? Yes, I could get WKBR-FM in Bedford, MA, and especially after WCOP dropped top-40, I used to listen to it in the evening, when WMEX was hard to receive and had talk after 10:00 PM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 21 01:41:29 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:41:29 -0500 Subject: Boston songs (early '60s) In-Reply-To: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Jun 2007 at 22:23, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > The Boston My Home Town song was on WCOP in 1961. I remember it well > since I was 12 then and WCOP "ruled school" in Arlington at the time. That sounds right. WCOP ruled in Bedford, too. With a transmitter in Lexington, they had a signal stronger that WBZ. Probably the same in Arlington, too. They always gave an address on Clarendon Street in Boston, but I think their studios were actually at the Lexington site. At least a couple of WCOP DJs lived in Bedford and frequently did the school record hops. > Another Boston-themed song I remember from around that time were > "Banned in Boston" by Merv Griffin ("Now she's banned in Boston, > condemned in Cleveland, and banished in Baltimore; she is now taboo in > Philly and St. Lou and Chicago doesn't dig her anymore.") I don't remember that one. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From cohasset@frontiernet.net Thu Jun 21 07:15:55 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:15:55 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <4679C939.13766.7615AC@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <4fc429770706200923j133d7979n569c922c6ca9a0f4@mail.gmail.com> <4679C939.13766.7615AC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:41 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > In Bedford, where I lived, WCOP had a very strong signal. WMEX had a > good signal in the daytime, but it was often very difficult at night, > with interference from WKBW at 1520. The same was true in my dorm room on the East Campus of MIT (58-62), using my RCA 5-tube AC/DC clock radio with built-in ferrite loopstick antenna. But whenever I was back in Central NY during breaks I could often pick up WMEX. Despite having a modest sense of sunspots, maximum useable frequencies, and "skip" zones, I was quite surprised on more than one occasion in the early 60s to hear WMEX on my car radio while driving around the Syracuse area at high noon! I was a sometimes broadcast band DXer back then, so when homesickness struck at college I would stay up late and try to find my CNY Top 40 stations: WNDR (1260) and WFBL (1390). The former was virtually impossible to log and the latter would fade in and out, rising to the top of the 1390 "heap" in my dorm room about 10-20% of the time after midnight. Bud Hippisley From brouder@juno.com Thu Jun 21 07:20:12 2007 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:20:12 GMT Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down Message-ID: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://lists.BostonRadio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/attachments/20070621/99d8b205/attachment.ksh From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jun 21 07:35:07 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:35:07 -0400 Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down In-Reply-To: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> References: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Ed Brouder noted: > The AP reports this morning (7:10 a.m. Thursday) that Paul > Sullivan > will resign because of his continuing battle with cancer. > > He recently underwent another round of brain surgery - I think it > was the fourth - and the AP reports "he no longer believes he has the > energy to do a daily four-hour program." > > The wire service says Sullivan will do one more show next week but > hopes to work out a role as a contributing commentator. > for Paul - know that you are in the thoughts and prayers of many, especially your fellow radio/broadcast types. his name came up on the air early Wednesday on Steve's broadcast as having been "spotted in the building," with hopes that he might be ready to return. maybe some extended time to continue the fight while not being on-the- mend, as has been the case in his previous returns-to-work, will allow for a better result, if not the best hoped-for outcome. and maybe he'll be able to share his often-thought provoking ideas through his writing. maybe BZ will let him do an online blog with the occasional commentary, a la LaPierre on the loose. - -Chuck Igo From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Thu Jun 21 07:56:21 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:56:21 -0400 Subject: Boston songs (early '60s) In-Reply-To: <4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> <4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com> You are correct, the studio and transmitter facility were at 75 Concord Ave, Lexington. Business and sales offices on Clarendon St. Some DJs I remember during my time there Jim Brokaw Bob Greene Don Thomas Neil Gran Neil McDonough (sp?) There were others, but those neurons must be sleeping now!! Regards, Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 20 Jun 2007 at 22:23, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > > >> The Boston My Home Town song was on WCOP in 1961. I remember it well >> since I was 12 then and WCOP "ruled school" in Arlington at the time. >> > > That sounds right. WCOP ruled in Bedford, too. With a transmitter > in Lexington, they had a signal stronger that WBZ. Probably the same > in Arlington, too. They always gave an address on Clarendon Street > in Boston, but I think their studios were actually at the Lexington > site. At least a couple of WCOP DJs lived in Bedford and frequently > did the school record hops. > > >> Another Boston-themed song I remember from around that time were >> "Banned in Boston" by Merv Griffin ("Now she's banned in Boston, >> condemned in Cleveland, and banished in Baltimore; she is now taboo in >> Philly and St. Lou and Chicago doesn't dig her anymore.") >> > > I don't remember that one. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 09:46:14 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:14 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston songs (early '60s)) Message-ID: <4fc429770706210646h59cbde53y47d2aada5ddb28b@mail.gmail.com> The jock doing nights in the late 60's at WCOP was earlier a Dan Donovan at WMEX (62-63) but the name he used at "Radio Boston" escapes me. WCOP had one 10 day run where they were the most important station in Boston. It was October 1967 and they were the NBC radio affilate and WCOP had the exclusive radio rights to the 1967 World Series. In those days there was no local broadcast as the local announcers worked on NBC radio and TV. Dom Valentino and Michael Paige then did a long post game complete with phone calls after every game. I remember being at Game 1 with my radio and wondering who this yahoo from St Louis was calling the game. It was Harry Caray. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 09:53:12 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:53:12 -0400 Subject: The Museum of Broadcast Technology Message-ID: <4fc429770706210653o2714cdc1qf97ffc7d95d964ec@mail.gmail.com> This looks interesting. Why on earth is it in Woonsocket, Rhode Island???? http://www.wmbt.org/ Anyone have some background on this??? From scott@fybush.com Thu Jun 21 10:03:58 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:03:58 -0400 Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down In-Reply-To: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> References: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <467A854E.5020300@fybush.com> A letter from Paul being distributed this morning says the final show will be next Thursday (6/28) from 8-midnight. As a friend of Paul's and a former member of the WBZ family, this is just heartbreaking news. First Bruds and now this... s brouder@juno.com wrote: > The AP reports this morning (7:10 a.m. Thursday) that Paul Sullivan > will resign because of his continuing battle with cancer. > > He recently underwent another round of brain surgery - I think it was > the fourth - and the AP reports "he no longer believes he has the > energy to do a daily four-hour program." > > The wire service says Sullivan will do one more show next week but > hopes to work out a role as a contributing commentator. > > Ed Brouder > Man From Mars Productions > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iieZBZ3JSFiRGFfkeAuWX4SFFQr5uW62Ha9PY3UhxG89RFoSj/ > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:07:15 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:07:15 -0400 Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down In-Reply-To: <467A854E.5020300@fybush.com> References: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> <467A854E.5020300@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706210707p7bebad35p4e0400b79f954aee@mail.gmail.com> This is the message from Paul http://www.wbz.com/pages/602391.php?contentType=4&contentId=627967 On 6/21/07, Scott Fybush wrote: > A letter from Paul being distributed this morning says the final show > will be next Thursday (6/28) from 8-midnight. > > As a friend of Paul's and a former member of the WBZ family, this is > just heartbreaking news. First Bruds and now this... > > s > > brouder@juno.com wrote: > > The AP reports this morning (7:10 a.m. Thursday) that Paul Sullivan > > will resign because of his continuing battle with cancer. > > > > He recently underwent another round of brain surgery - I think it was > > the fourth - and the AP reports "he no longer believes he has the > > energy to do a daily four-hour program." > > > > The wire service says Sullivan will do one more show next week but > > hopes to work out a role as a contributing commentator. > > > > Ed Brouder > > Man From Mars Productions > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > > > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iieZBZ3JSFiRGFfkeAuWX4SFFQr5uW62Ha9PY3UhxG89RFoSj/ > > > > > > > > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 11:55:31 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706210707p7bebad35p4e0400b79f954aee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <929233.52255.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here is the story from The Sun of Lowell, where Paul also works: http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6191307 ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Jun 21 12:36:04 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:36:04 -0400 Subject: WCOP-1150 In-Reply-To: <467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> <4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com> <467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <8C98239657FA74D-1B04-159D0@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> The DJ's I remember on 'COP in 1961 were Bob Wilson (of later sportscasting fame), Ed Mitchell, Dex Card, Phil Christie, Pat Patterson, and Paul Koss. The station bailed out of Top 40 sometime in 1962 and went to mello-jello MoR (a process kids called "going square") before changing over to country quite a while later in the '60s. 1150 still transmits from the Concord Avenue site with basically the same ineffectual signal (all right, OK to the southeast but unimpressive elsewhere). When New Brunswick was still on the channel, it would pummel WCOP in the DAYTIME at places like Granite Pier in Rockport, MA. Even now, with CHSJ-NB (and some other Canadians) gone and Skowhegan moved to 1160, a good night signal from 1150 is not foolproof in the metro area mostly due to incursions from WMRD in CT (whose DA must be out of whack), one of the Quebecois French talkers, and Ontario's powerhouse oldies station CKOC. That one completely owns the channel at night north of the NH border. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jon Maguire To: A. Joseph Ross Cc: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 7:56 am Subject: Re: Boston songs (early '60s) You are correct, the studio and transmitter facility were at 75 Concord Ave, Lexington. Business and sales offices on Clarendon St. Some DJs I remember during my time there? ? Jim Brokaw? Bob Greene? Don Thomas? Neil Gran? Neil McDonough (sp?)? ? There were others, but those neurons must be sleeping now!!? ? Regards, Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 13:00:32 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:00:32 -0400 Subject: WCOP-1150 In-Reply-To: <8C98239657FA74D-1B04-159D0@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com> <4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com> <467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com> <8C98239657FA74D-1B04-159D0@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706211000v31f0c42eld08d3229402b2c8f@mail.gmail.com> I suspect what killed WCOP in the end was having NO North Shore coverage and weak coverage in the beach areas overall. (something WMEX did have ) http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WTTT&service=AM&status=L&hours=D On 6/21/07, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > The DJ's I remember on 'COP in 1961 were Bob Wilson (of later > sportscasting fame), Ed Mitchell, Dex Card, Phil Christie, Pat > Patterson, and Paul Koss. The station bailed out of Top 40 sometime in > 1962 and went to mello-jello MoR (a process kids called "going square") > before changing over to country quite a while later in the '60s. > > 1150 still transmits from the Concord Avenue site with basically the > same ineffectual signal (all right, OK to the southeast but > unimpressive elsewhere). When New Brunswick was still on the channel, > it would pummel WCOP in the DAYTIME at places like Granite Pier in > Rockport, MA. Even now, with CHSJ-NB (and some other Canadians) gone > and Skowhegan moved to 1160, a good night signal from 1150 is not > foolproof in the metro area mostly due to incursions from WMRD in CT > (whose DA must be out of whack), one of the Quebecois French talkers, > and Ontario's powerhouse oldies station CKOC. That one completely owns > the channel at night north of the NH border. > > Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Maguire > To: A. Joseph Ross > Cc: markwa1ion@aol.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 7:56 am > Subject: Re: Boston songs (early '60s) > > > You are correct, the studio and transmitter facility were at 75 Concord > Ave, Lexington. Business and sales offices on Clarendon St. Some DJs I > remember during my time there > > Jim Brokaw > Bob Greene > Don Thomas > Neil Gran > Neil McDonough (sp?) > > There were others, but those neurons must be sleeping now!! > > Regards, Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > =0 > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 13:24:28 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:24:28 -0400 Subject: WCOP-1150 1h References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com><4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com><467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com> <8C98239657FA74D-1B04-159D0@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <175b01c7b429$08e606a0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> From: >>The DJ's I remember on 'COP in 1961 were [snip]...Pat Patterson... aka,,,Fat Pat Patterson...Mr's Patterson's oldest and heaviest child! From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 13:24:10 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:24:10 -0400 Subject: WCOP-1150 3h References: <8C981C246F38280-11DC-1FF8@WEBMAIL-RD01.sysops.aol.com><4679C939.17638.7617DF@joe.attorneyross.com><467A6765.2000704@tampabay.rr.com><8C98239657FA74D-1B04-159D0@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> <4fc429770706211000v31f0c42eld08d3229402b2c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <175901c7b429$08736eb0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> From: "Kevin Vahey" >I suspect what killed WCOP in the end was having NO North Shore > coverage and weak coverage in the beach areas overall. (something WMEX > did have ) Even now during the day, if you listen to 1150AM in Downtown Boston...you can hear another distant station in the background. I can't imagine what station might still be audible in the COL of 1150AM. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 21 12:22:56 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:22:56 -0500 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 Message-ID: <20070621162257.42D79478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald A." >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Scott Fybush" , "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:52:22 -0700 (PDT) > >Bob Nelson wrote: > > Fybush reports in NERW that WGBH is indeed > dropping Open Source > in favor of jazz... >Do you think it's time for Chris Lydon to make a deal >with WBUR? You've been posting to this list for a comparatively short time, so you may not be aware of how rancourous his departure was (although other media reported on it). Of course, the GM at the time, Jane Christo (of whom I'll never speak ill because she provided me with free, unlimited Sam Adams twice) has left the building. On rare occasions, people go away and come back (Jerry Williams), but it's rare. Maybe Chris Lydon will reappear on WBUR when Don Imus resumes broadcasting on WFAN. ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 13:24:23 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:24:23 -0400 Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down 2h References: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <175a01c7b429$08a442b0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> > Ed Brouder noted: > >> The AP reports this morning (7:10 a.m. Thursday) that Paul >> Sullivan >> will resign because of his continuing battle with cancer. >> >> He recently underwent another round of brain surgery - I think it >> was the fourth - and the AP reports "he no longer believes he has > the >> energy to do a daily four-hour program." >> >> The wire service says Sullivan will do one more show next week but >> hopes to work out a role as a contributing commentator. Paul has been a class act all along.... From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 14:05:23 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:05:23 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 In-Reply-To: <20070621162257.42D79478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070621162257.42D79478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706211105hcaf19b9q6824c2af66349690@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Maybe Chris Lydon will reappear on WBUR when Don Imus resumes > broadcasting on WFAN. New York Daily News and Post have both suggested that will happen in September CBS never wanted to fire Imus but when MSNBC did so they were forced to do it. WFAN needs him back badly. Broadcasting is a funny biz, even Tex Antoine was able to get back on the air in New York From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 15:06:42 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:06:42 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down Message-ID: <467ACC42.6000406@Gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote, > Here is the story from The Sun of Lowell, where Paul also works: > > http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6191307 That link expired, try this one: http://www.lowellsun.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?articleId=6195154&siteId=105 ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From me@billoneill.us Thu Jun 21 16:51:04 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:51:04 -0400 Subject: WBZ's Paul Sullivan steps down 2h In-Reply-To: <175a01c7b429$08a442b0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <20070621.072012.5940.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com> <175a01c7b429$08a442b0$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <467AE4B8.30205@billoneill.us> Don A wrote: > Paul has been a class act all along.... > > Indeed he has. This gig has been a dream come true for Sullivan. Since he made his entry to radio at WLLH while keeping his role at the Lowell Sun, Paul has demonstrated a real thirst for political discourse. I've worked with Paul as well as worked across town from him and I consider him a old pal who has certainly earned a break right about now. We haven't heard the last of Sully. One of my funniest radio memories was when Sully had me on as a guest one morning over at WLLH (during one of those rare periods when I was not active at WCAP). There was a whole bunch of activity going on, I think a barbershop quartet or perhaps a couple of political hacks in studio all begging to be relevant. I found myself in the familiar role of chiming in just enough to keep the balance off in the dynamic when Paul said, "Treat O'Neill like a mental patient. Like he's here but he's not here." LMAO just thinking about it. Bill O'Neill From paulconnors@earthlink.net Thu Jun 21 21:30:59 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (paulconnors@earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:30:59 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits Message-ID: <380-22007652213059625@earthlink.net> We played This Is Love by Oak on 14Q (WFTQ) in Worcester and the station even hosted a concert appearance with the band at a local venue. I think I actually might have an autographed copy of their album down in the cellar where all my vinyl resides in boxes. Paul Connors ...but Paul Stevens at 14Q from 1979-1981... > [Original Message] > From: Mark Watson > To: Lou ; Eli Polonsky ; ; Donna Halper > Date: 6/20/2007 9:36:34 PM > Subject: Re: When WBZ played covers instead of hits > > Donna Halper wrote: > > > But speaking of local hits and paper adds, remember "King of the Hill" by > > Oak? I doubt most top 40 stations ever played it, except in Boston maybe. > > Rick Pinette & Oak were from the Lewiston Maine area. "King of the Hill" > was played on WRKO and WVBF. I don't recall if it was ever played on WHDH or > WBZ. In the Merrimack Valley WLLH played it also, I don't believe WCAP or > WCCM did. I recall when visiting a friend in Portland in 1980, "King of the > Hill" was played on WGAN (full service AC), WJBQ (still at 106.3), WLOB (was > playing top 40 & oldies) and WIDE. The song peaked in the mid-30's > nationally. It's on one of Barry Scott's "Lost 45's" CD's he released a few > years back. > > Does anyone remember Rick Pinette & Oak's 1979 local hit "This Is Love"? > Did not make the top 40 nationally (peaked in the upper 50's IIRC). Was > played on WLLH, I think WRKO and WVBF may have played it as well, I'll have > to dig through my old survey files to check on that. > > Mark Watson > > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Thu Jun 21 23:29:29 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:29:29 -0400 Subject: When WBZ played covers instead of hits In-Reply-To: <380-22007652213059625@earthlink.net> References: <380-22007652213059625@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10706212029t15b8bf36jcb8469aad03d20e5@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, paulconnors@earthlink.net wrote: > We played This Is Love by Oak on 14Q (WFTQ) in Worcester and the station > even hosted a concert appearance with the band at a local venue. We played the record at WAQY and partneered with Riverside Amusement Park on a concert at the park. -- -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From gjspatola@wavecable.com Fri Jun 22 01:07:14 2007 From: gjspatola@wavecable.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:07:14 -0700 Subject: WTXL (was Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66...) Message-ID: <63D465A05EF84CECBBB05317002E63C6@HomePC> Those pictures of WTXL brought back memories. I was at UMass. in the mid-to-late 1960s and auditioned for a job there. It was 1967. I remember listening on the way to the station and hearing the AM drive jock give the "tixel tele-time" and "tixel tele-temperature" after every song. 1490 WTXL was a daytimer as I recall, 1000 watts daytime and 250 watts after sunset. Their low budget top 40 sound was OK, such as it was. I was asked to record an audition tape in their production studio, and I did. One of the songs I used was Kenny Rogers and the First Edition's "Just Dropped In (to See What Condition My Condition Was in)." It would have been the perfect station for my first "real" radio job (after WMUA), but it didn't happen there... Glenn Spatola > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:17:45 -0400 > From: "Kevin Vahey" > Subject: Re: Memories of John Garabedian and V-66... > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: bri@bostonradio.org, "A. Joseph Ross" > Message-ID: > <4fc429770706191217s31c38207w53bdf550c6d1c485@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 6/19/07, Doug Drown wrote: > >> WHYN had a lesser Top 40 competitor in Springfield; was it WMAS or WSPR? >> >> -Doug >> >> >> WTXL out of West Springfield >> >> http://www.springfieldradio.com/wtxl.html From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Jun 22 11:13:03 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:13:03 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 Message-ID: <467BE6FF.6030704@friedbagels.com> You've been posting to this list for a comparatively short time, so you may not be aware of how rancourous his departure was (although other media reported on it). Of course, the GM at the time, Jane Christo (of whom I'll never speak ill because she provided me with free, unlimited Sam Adams twice) has left the building. On rare occasions, people go away and come back (Jerry Williams), but it's rare. Maybe Chris Lydon will reappear on WBUR when Don Imus resumes broadcasting on WFAN. ------------------------------------- Yes it's rare, but Lydon's already done it once, Laurence - I vaguely remember his departure from WGBH-TV wasn't exactly smooth, either. Yet he managed to get WGBH-radio to help him launch a new national show. Admittedly, Lydon's tenure on WGBH TV ended many years ago (late 1980's, IIRC). I don't quite know about time healing all wounds, but it was over six years ago that all the Jane Christo - Chris Lydon fooferah went down. More importantly, I don't think Lydon would be going back to WBUR and asking them to be the "home station" this time. By which I mean that WBUR would not be providing office space, studio time and direct financial support (i.e. like how The Connection was) Instead, this would be WBUR deciding whether or not to air Open Source much like how they decide whether or not to air any other national show from an exterior provider, like Talk of The Nation, The Diane Rehm Show or Marketplace. In such a decision, the personal politics are largely removed from the equation...it's more about whether WBUR has room in their air schedule, and whether Open Source would garnish enough listeners/ratings to be worth the affiliate fees. I'm not privy to the details that would influence such a decision, but speaking in the abstract, it does make it a lot more possible than you'd ordinarily think. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 16:24:10 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:24:10 -0400 Subject: Mass.Broadcast Hall of Fame Message-ID: <4fc429770706221324j5452d337k2e18e8ad007a36df@mail.gmail.com> Was it Rex Trailer that used to promote cruises he would be on? Did anyone actually go on a cruise to be with him? "Inquiring Minds Want to Know" ;-) Roger Rex did do a cruise or two. Also would run a trip to Cypress Gardens, but his drips to Disneyland were huge. I believe Crimson Travel still holds the one day record for charters out of Logan. They always ran it during February school vfacation week. I don't really have a problem with the first class of inductees but if Bob Wilson is there then you must include Fred Cusick. Cusick just wrote a book about his 60 year broadcasting career that started at WOCB in West Yarmouth. He then details he rise moving to WBET in Brockton and then WCOP. In 1948 he moved to a new station WVOM which had a hard time attracting listeners as most radios built before World War II could not tune into 1600. He tells the story of the station running a show that featured Irish music and it became a runaway hit. I had also wondered why WKBG-TV moved out of its Commonwealth Avenue studios in short order. Fred tells the reason and it is hysterical. It is a great read From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 16:34:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:46 -0400 Subject: call sign question Message-ID: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> With Citadel taking over most of the ABC/Disney stations I am curious about something. It used to be that if an owner sold off a station with a similar callsign the station needed new call letters (WKBW-WWKB for example) Are the WABC, WLS calls in jeopardy or has the FCC relaxed the rule? From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 22 17:31:15 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:31:15 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > With Citadel taking over most of the ABC/Disney stations I am curious > about something. > > It used to be that if an owner sold off a station with a similar > callsign the station needed new call letters (WKBW-WWKB for example) > > Are the WABC, WLS calls in jeopardy or has the FCC relaxed the rule? > The FCC long ago relaxed that rule. In fact, there's a clause in the sale of the ABC radio stations explicitly allowing Citadel to continue using the present calls. s From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 18:09:31 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:09:31 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> So in other words it is up to the seller? I forgot about WFLA in Tampa keeping its call. From rickkelly@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 17:32:53 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:32:53 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10706221432o79787b96kd1e2b3bc3af7f506@mail.gmail.com> On 6/22/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Are the WABC, WLS calls in jeopardy or has the FCC relaxed the rule? I thought I had read somewhere that there was an agreement between ABC and Citadel that call letters could be retained.> -- -RK From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 21:52:07 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:52:07 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <002201c7b540$b9b379f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <521b7fd10706221432o79787b96kd1e2b3bc3af7f506@mail.gmail.com> <002201c7b540$b9b379f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770706221852k15e96deavbd21db63fbeedbc2@mail.gmail.com> The classic case is KCBS AM in SF TV in LA On 6/22/07, Doug Drown wrote: > Since the rules have been relaxed, not only can formerly-tied stations each > keep their original call letters, but the owners of a particular set of > calls can use them in more than one location (e.g. an AM station in one > city, an FM or TV in another). I can't think of specific examples off the > top of my head, but I know they exist. Personally, I should think it would > be confusing. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Kelly" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: call sign question > > > > On 6/22/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > > Are the WABC, WLS calls in jeopardy or has the FCC relaxed the rule? > > > > I thought I had read somewhere that there was an agreement between ABC > > and Citadel that call letters could be retained.> > > > > -- > > -RK > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 22 22:16:09 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:16:09 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com> <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467C8269.8070301@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > So in other words it is up to the seller? I forgot about WFLA in Tampa > keeping its call. > The way the rules work now, a base call (say, WFLA) can be used across multiple services (an AM with no suffix, plus -FM, -TV, -LP as an LPFM, -LP as an LPTV, -LD as a digital LPTV, -CA as a class A TV and -CD as a digital class A TV) by multiple owners in multiple markets. The only condition is that whoever's had the base call the longest gets to decide whether other owners can use it as well. A real-world example of this is WORC. The calls were on WORC(AM) before they were on WORC-FM, and while the AM and FM are now under separate owners, it would be up to the owners of WORC(AM) to decide whether another licensee could have a WORC-TV or a WORC-LP. It has now become quite common, as in the ABC case, for the rights to continued use of a set of call letters to be a major condition of a station sale. I'm sure Citadel would have wanted a sizable discount on their purchase price if they'd been forced to change the calls on WABC, WLS, KGO and KABC, losing the heritage that those calls bring to those stations. It's also not uncommon to see a station license its calls to a separately-owned station in another service. Here in Rochester, Nexstar's WROC-TV licensed its calls to Entercom for use on what's now WROC(AM), in exchange for promotional credits and a simulcast of the TV station's evening news. And it should be noted that WFLA-TV in Tampa actually didn't keep its call at first. When Media General sold WFLA radio, the calls went with the radio station and the TV station became WXFL for a few years. (That sale, if I recall right, came just before the FCC relaxed the rules.) In later years, after the rules changed, WFLA-TV was able to reclaim its old calls, with the permission of whoever then owned WFLA(AM), which would have been Jacor, most likely. s From wollman@bostonradio.org Fri Jun 22 22:27:40 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:27:40 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com> <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18044.34076.656521.304609@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So in other words it is up to the seller? I forgot about WFLA in Tampa > keeping its call. There is no automatic change of callsign. If anything is to happen other than that, it would be specified in the purchase-and-sale agreement. Of course, stations may have other rights (such as intellectual property) and assets (goodwill) tied up in their callsigns, and any competently-drawn contract would have to cover those. Of course, the Disney/Citadel transaction is a rather oddly-structured one. Effectively, it is the Disney shareholders (but not The Walt Disney Company itself) who are buying Citadel, not the other way around. That's why Citadel has to spin stations; if Citadel were the acquirer, they would not be required to spin anything except in markets with ownership overlaps. The way this transaction was structured was: 1) Disney spins ABC Radio to shareholders as an independent company. Since the ownership of both companies is the same, there is no change in control, so the FCC effectively had no say. (The Commission still had to approve the transaction, but it had no legal basis by which it could withhold that consent.) 2) The new company has a subsidiary (probably referred to as "Merger Sub" in the legal papers -- I haven't read them recently, and it doesn't actually matter what the name is). That subsidiary and Citadel merge. Citadel shareholders receive stock in the new company in exchange for their interests in Citadel. If I remember correctly, the transaction values Citadel at about 45% of the combined companies, which is a change in control for both companies as far as the FCC is concerned. 3) Once the deal is completed, the merged companies have the option of restructuring their licenses through the use of "pro forma" license assignments, which require little FCC involvement and cost less to file. Broadcasters often do this even after acquiring a single station in order to standardize their corporate structures for tax reasons. For example, many companies create one corporation (or these days more often an LLC) to own each individual license, and then an interlocking structure of corporations and limited partnerships above that to manage state income tax liabilities.[1] Look at any recent biennial ownership filing from nearly any moderate-size station group for an example. Clear Channel and CBS don't do this as a general practice, although they do both carry over such structures from the companies they have purchased. -GAWollman [1] Some states levy income tax on the entire earnings of every company doing business there. The way to avoid this is apparently to create this complex structure so that the main company, where most of the earnings are, never actually "does business" in one of these states. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Jun 22 22:46:38 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:46:38 -0400 Subject: call sign question References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <521b7fd10706221432o79787b96kd1e2b3bc3af7f506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c7b540$b9b379f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Since the rules have been relaxed, not only can formerly-tied stations each keep their original call letters, but the owners of a particular set of calls can use them in more than one location (e.g. an AM station in one city, an FM or TV in another). I can't think of specific examples off the top of my head, but I know they exist. Personally, I should think it would be confusing. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kelly" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: call sign question > On 6/22/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Are the WABC, WLS calls in jeopardy or has the FCC relaxed the rule? > > I thought I had read somewhere that there was an agreement between ABC > and Citadel that call letters could be retained.> > > -- > -RK From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 22 22:45:25 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:45:25 -0400 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b53e$6acd7cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com><4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> <467C8269.8070301@fybush.com> <000c01c7b53e$6acd7cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <467C8945.2040402@fybush.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > What about WMAL and WBAP? Are there still other former ABC O&O radio > stations that are not ESPN or Radio Disney? I think so--WPLJ is one. Aren't > all such stations now Citadel properties? There must be other FMs in other > cities. I doubt whether any of them still use the co-owned AM's base calls > with a -FM suffix, although I think all of them did at one time. The full list of ABC Radio stations that were part of the Citadel deal, with AMs noted as such (in the prior post, I had mentioned only the ones with same-call TVs in the market): New York - WABC(AM), WPLJ Chicago - WLS(AM), WZZN San Francisco - KGO(AM), KSFO Los Angeles - KABC(AM), KLOS Dallas/Fort Worth - WBAP(AM), KSCS, KTYS Minneapolis - KQRS, KXXR, WGVX/WGVY/WGVZ Washington - WMAL(AM), WRQX, WJZW Detroit - WJR(AM), WDVD, WDRQ Atlanta - WKHX, WYAY In New York, Chicago, SF, LA, Dallas and Minneapolis, Disney also owned (and continues to own) either ESPN or Radio Disney properties (or both) as well. And yes, at one time, there were WABC-FM, WLS-FM, WMAL-FM and KABC-FM and KGO-FM calls in the family as well. The first four survive as WPLJ, WZZN, WRQX and KLOS. KGO-FM was eventually sold off, and is now KKSF. I believe it was just traded from Bonneville to Entercom. The pre-Cap Cities ABC also owned WXYZ/WXYZ-FM (later WRIF) in Detroit, which were traded away in favor of keeping Cap Cities' WJR, and at various times also had holdings in Pittsburgh (KQV/KQV-FM) and Houston (KXYZ/KXYZ-FM, later KSRR). s From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 22 22:29:05 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:29:05 -0400 Subject: call sign question References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com> <467C3FA3.1010709@fybush.com><4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com> <467C8269.8070301@fybush.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7b53e$6acd7cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> What about WMAL and WBAP? Are there still other former ABC O&O radio stations that are not ESPN or Radio Disney? I think so--WPLJ is one. Aren't all such stations now Citadel properties? There must be other FMs in other cities. I doubt whether any of them still use the co-owned AM's base calls with a -FM suffix, although I think all of them did at one time. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: call sign question > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > So in other words it is up to the seller? I forgot about WFLA in Tampa > > keeping its call. > > > > The way the rules work now, a base call (say, WFLA) can be used across > multiple services (an AM with no suffix, plus -FM, -TV, -LP as an LPFM, > -LP as an LPTV, -LD as a digital LPTV, -CA as a class A TV and -CD as a > digital class A TV) by multiple owners in multiple markets. The only > condition is that whoever's had the base call the longest gets to decide > whether other owners can use it as well. > > A real-world example of this is WORC. The calls were on WORC(AM) before > they were on WORC-FM, and while the AM and FM are now under separate > owners, it would be up to the owners of WORC(AM) to decide whether > another licensee could have a WORC-TV or a WORC-LP. > > It has now become quite common, as in the ABC case, for the rights to > continued use of a set of call letters to be a major condition of a > station sale. I'm sure Citadel would have wanted a sizable discount on > their purchase price if they'd been forced to change the calls on WABC, > WLS, KGO and KABC, losing the heritage that those calls bring to those > stations. > > It's also not uncommon to see a station license its calls to a > separately-owned station in another service. Here in Rochester, > Nexstar's WROC-TV licensed its calls to Entercom for use on what's now > WROC(AM), in exchange for promotional credits and a simulcast of the TV > station's evening news. > > And it should be noted that WFLA-TV in Tampa actually didn't keep its > call at first. When Media General sold WFLA radio, the calls went with > the radio station and the TV station became WXFL for a few years. (That > sale, if I recall right, came just before the FCC relaxed the rules.) > > In later years, after the rules changed, WFLA-TV was able to reclaim its > old calls, with the permission of whoever then owned WFLA(AM), which > would have been Jacor, most likely. > > s From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jun 23 09:31:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:31:46 -0500 Subject: Graham jokes (?) about bumping off the Clintons Message-ID: <20070623133147.0887783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> You're Michael Graham, and you're being considered for morning drive on WTKK. The future looks bright--but then you go off on CNN Headline News (Glenn Beck Show) and joke about bumping off the Clintons, Sopranos-style. The incident has been reported on blogs both liberal (Media Matters) and conservative (Save WRKO). The latter had also reported on remarks allegedly made by Randi Rhodes that were in a similar vein. The former offers a clip of Graham's comments. Graham: "Seriously, Glenn, didn't you at one point want to see, like, Paulie Walnuts or someone come in and just whack them both right there. Wouldn't that have been great?" Beck (smiling): "No, I did not want to see that."? Graham: "C'mon, I wanted that." (Beck himself had joked in the past about killing Michael Moore. Graham has made controversial comments before.) http://mediamatters.org/items/200706210013?f=h_top http://www.savewrko.com From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Jun 23 09:58:22 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:58:22 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 In-Reply-To: <467BE6FF.6030704@friedbagels.com> References: <467BE6FF.6030704@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <001601c7b59e$909320d0$b1b96270$@net> I just finished reading Howie Carr's book, "The Brothers Bulger" [I bought it on paperback]. He claims that Lydon had his 10 p.m. news show dropped after a controversial news report on Whitey Bulger. He also quotes Lydon in the book, which was interesting because he always makes fun of Lydon's speaking style. I have lent the book out to a family member, so I can't look it up and quote from it. But, it was something like that. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Read Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:13 AM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 Yes it's rare, but Lydon's already done it once, Laurence - I vaguely remember his departure from WGBH-TV wasn't exactly smooth, either. Yet he managed to get WGBH-radio to help him launch a new national show. Admittedly, Lydon's tenure on WGBH TV ended many years ago (late 1980's, IIRC). From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jun 23 10:46:05 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:46:05 -0500 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 Message-ID: <20070623144605.428131F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> I have the book in hardcover and looked up Lydon via the index. One page talks about Kevin White talking off camera with Lydon: "The point is, if my brother threatened to kill you, or you thought he would kill you, you would be nothing but nice to me." Howie has mentioned this several times on his show. The other referred to Lydon as a foe of Billy Bulger who was "taken down a notch". Carr says that Lydon and reporter David Boeri had been "relentless" on the subject of 75 State Street, etc. Carr says WGBH needed a one-day liquor license for a popular wine tasting but the Legislature was balking at approving it; but "(I)n the spring of 1991, 'The Ten O'Clock News' was cancelled"--and the liquor license was subsequently approved. Whether or not there was a quid pro quo is not said. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Jun 23 11:24:52 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:24:52 -0400 Subject: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 In-Reply-To: <20070623144605.428131F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070623144605.428131F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001a01c7b5aa$a86a8750$f93f95f0$@net> Thanks for looking it up and for the clarification. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@mail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:46 AM To: radiotony; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Is WGBH Dropping "Open Source"? - 2 I have the book in hardcover and looked up Lydon via the index. One page talks about Kevin White talking off camera with Lydon: "The point is, if my brother threatened to kill you, or you thought he would kill you, you would be nothing but nice to me." Howie has mentioned this several times on his show. The other referred to Lydon as a foe of Billy Bulger who was "taken down a notch". Carr says that Lydon and reporter David Boeri had been "relentless" on the subject of 75 State Street, etc. Carr says WGBH needed a one-day liquor license for a popular wine tasting but the Legislature was balking at approving it; but "(I)n the spring of 1991, 'The Ten O'Clock News' was cancelled"--and the liquor license was subsequently approved. Whether or not there was a quid pro quo is not said. -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 24 01:44:56 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:44:56 -0500 Subject: [BrooklineTMMA] Brook House devolves to Boston University discussion... In-Reply-To: <004301c7b5a9$f2959be0$6401a8c0@lisaed> References: , <004301c7b5a9$f2959be0$6401a8c0@lisaed> Message-ID: <467DBE88.14430.409DCF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jun 2007 at 11:19, Lisa Liss wrote: > BU is not yet the colossus that Harvard is, but BU and > it's overflow of students into Brookline and Allston is rapidly > changing Brookline from a family town to a college campus, as Lois > Martin has told us,and how it affects our quality of life. This has been going on to some extent for a very long time. The mass evictions of families in order to crowd in students and raise the rents was one of the triggering factors in the adoption of rent control in Brookline in 1970. The greater influx of students into various neighborhoods is to some extent a result of the abolition of rent control, which held rents steady and encouraged owner-occupancy of two- and three-family houses. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 23 01:41:01 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:41:01 -0500 Subject: call sign question In-Reply-To: <467C8269.8070301@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770706221334v4c528cbdla3aa4d51dc2929f2@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770706221509y13630e9dn2dc7873690299d8f@mail.gmail.com>, <467C8269.8070301@fybush.com> Message-ID: <467C6C1D.28362.30716D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Jun 2007 at 22:16, Scott Fybush wrote: > The way the rules work now, a base call (say, WFLA) can be used across > multiple services (an AM with no suffix, plus -FM, -TV, -LP as an > LPFM, -LP as an LPTV, -LD as a digital LPTV, -CA as a class A TV and > -CD as a digital class A TV) by multiple owners in multiple markets. > The only condition is that whoever's had the base call the longest > gets to decide whether other owners can use it as well. I seem to recall that there's an AM station called WKLB somewhere in Kentucky, and WKLB-FM in Boston has their permission to use the call letters. > It has now become quite common, as in the ABC case, for the rights to > continued use of a set of call letters to be a major condition of a > station sale. I'm sure Citadel would have wanted a sizable discount on > their purchase price if they'd been forced to change the calls on > WABC, WLS, KGO and KABC, losing the heritage that those calls bring to > those stations. WABC and KABC may be heritage calls, but they also are historically associated with the ABC network. It seems weird for them to exist on stations not owned by ABC. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jun 24 09:45:10 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:45:10 -0400 Subject: Graham jokes (?) about bumping off the Clintons In-Reply-To: <20070623133147.0887783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070623133147.0887783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The comments were made when discussing a Sopranos parody put together by the Clinton campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE When put in the context of discussing the video, the comments, though ill advised, are more understandable. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jun 25 13:28:21 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: Graham jokes (?) about bumping off the Clintons Message-ID: <20070625172821.0FBAD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Billings" >To: "Bob Nelson" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: Graham jokes (?) about bumping off the Clintons >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:45:10 -0400 >The comments were made when discussing a Sopranos parody put >together by the Clinton campaign: >When put in the context of discussing the video, the comments, >though ill advised, are more understandable. I suspect you wouldn't adopt such a lackadaisical tone if Randi Rhodes were the one conversing in this manner (I believe she once DID utter a joke about the advisability of offing 'W'). -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jun 25 14:16:56 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:16:56 -0500 Subject: MIA FM's On Cape Cod Message-ID: <20070625181656.C98D11CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> My travels this past weekend took me to Harwich on Cape Cod; I didn't have the inclination nor the time to wander far afield to check out all the FM's on the illustrious sandbar, but I did notice that a few approved applications were nonetheless missing in action. NERW-to-the-contrary-notwithstanding, WCDJ-FM 102.3 was not on-the-air at any point when I checked it out. Maybe they're doing some testing in the middle of the night and will be fully functional for Fourth, but not right now. Another actual station with a construction permit, WXLJ-LP 97.7 in Harwich itself was nowhere to be found (I heard no useable output from WKAF on Big Blue). Two translators that have been authorized: W230AW 93.9 in Centerville and W264BA in Harwich were not in evidence. Centerville apparently is a sub-village in the village of Hyannis, and maybe it was too far away from Harwich to be heard, but I did pick up some weak signals on my car radio, on which I did all the monitoring. One station that DID come but was not acknowledged by its owner was WRYP 90.1 in Wellfleet. Apparently it's a WGBH-operated clone of the 'AI' stations like WCAI and WZAI, but during station breaks there was never any reference to this station, which after all has regular call letters (not like a translator with its FM channel in the middle). Very strange. S I D E B A R Wow...the Sagamore Bridge "flyover" is wonderful! I realize it's a week-and-a-half before the Fourth of July when traffic in that area can be expected to be horrific, but I was not ready for how quickly I went from Route 3 southbound to the Samaritans sign on Sagamore bridge, both going and coming. WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS FORTY YEARS AGO! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 25 14:43:49 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: MIA FM's On Cape Cod In-Reply-To: <20070625181656.C98D11CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070625181656.C98D11CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46800CE5.1070402@fybush.com> > One station that DID come but was not acknowledged by its owner was > WRYP 90.1 in Wellfleet. Apparently it's a WGBH-operated clone of the > 'AI' stations like WCAI and WZAI, but during station breaks there was > never any reference to this station, which after all has regular call > letters (not like a translator with its FM channel in the middle). Very strange. WRYP is supposed to be religious, and has been reported on (by Jeff Lehmann?) as such. Are you sure what you heard on 90.1 wasn't WCAI itself? s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jun 25 16:08:26 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:08:26 -0400 Subject: MIA FM's On Cape Cod In-Reply-To: <46800CE5.1070402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <00b101c7b764$97f6e060$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> I haven't actually been to the outer cape area since WRYP has been on the air, but I have logged it once or twice from here in Hanson. I'm not sure how much of Cape Cod it covers besides Wellfleet, Truro, and Provincetown... probably not much. It tends to be the strongest 90.1 along the coast in Marshfield, Duxbury, etc. They've been airing Christian music when I've heard it. They stream on their website: http://renewfm.com/ Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:44 PM > To: Laurence Glavin > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: MIA FM's On Cape Cod > > > One station that DID come but was not acknowledged by its owner was > > WRYP 90.1 in Wellfleet. Apparently it's a WGBH-operated clone of the > > 'AI' stations like WCAI and WZAI, but during station breaks there was > > never any reference to this station, which after all has regular call > > letters (not like a translator with its FM channel in the middle). Very > strange. > > WRYP is supposed to be religious, and has been reported on (by Jeff > Lehmann?) as such. > > Are you sure what you heard on 90.1 wasn't WCAI itself? > > s From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jun 25 17:35:12 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: MIA FM's On Cape Cod Message-ID: <20070625213512.8C87E478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: MIA FM's On Cape Cod >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:43:49 -0400 >WRYP is supposed to be religious, and has been reported on (by Jeff >Lehmann?) as such. >Are you sure what you heard on 90.1 wasn't WCAI itself? >s The WCAI-WZAI simulcast was the strongest signal I heard on 90.1 in Harwich with little if any interference, but yes it COULD have been 'CAI. Wellfleet is a couple of towns away around the bend of the Cape. Maybe on a sunny but low-humidity weekend, WRYP's signal doesn't travel far. But there definitely was no WCDJ 102.3. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 27 13:19:53 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:19:53 -0500 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC Message-ID: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> If I remember correctly, if you looked up WLLH at the FCC's website in the past, you viewed only one listing: the licensed Lowell facility. Now if you look up WLLH, you get two listings, one for Lawrence and one for Lowell. One oddity...there's a notation about moving the City of License from Lowell to Lawrence! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jun 27 14:21:06 2007 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:21:06 -0400 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC In-Reply-To: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4682AA92.8020102@shoreham.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: > ...there's a notation about moving the City of License from Lowell > to Lawrence! > > Move? They're already there! One of the few legal IDs with the word "and" legitimately between the cities. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 27 15:24:20 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:24:20 -0400 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC References: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <4682AA92.8020102@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <003a01c7b8f1$77452dc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Except they dropped the "and" months ago. But they ID as Lowell-Lawrence, which suggests that if there are not two CoLs (CsoL?), the station is licensed to Lowell and not to Lawrence. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC > Laurence Glavin wrote: > > ...there's a notation about moving the City of License from Lowell > > to Lawrence! > > > > > > Move? They're already there! One of the few legal IDs with the word > "and" legitimately between the cities. > > Bill O'Neill > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 15:00:58 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:00:58 -0400 Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 Message-ID: <03a301c7b8ed$8953f810$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place to listen to the Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. I've had WCRB on here in the office today.....and they have been promoting that they will be carrying the concert from the Esplanade.... The *only* place? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 15:01:11 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:01:11 -0400 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC 3 References: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <03a401c7b8ed$89f2f730$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> From: "Laurence Glavin" > If I remember correctly, if you looked up WLLH at the FCC's website in the > past, > you viewed only one listing: the licensed Lowell facility. Now if you > look > up WLLH, you get two listings, one for Lawrence and one for Lowell. I have never seen a proper coverage map indicating the reach of BOTH transmitters. The Radio-Locators.com site only shows the pattern of the Loweel TX. From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 27 17:07:35 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:07:35 -0500 Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 In-Reply-To: <03a301c7b8ed$8953f810$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <03a301c7b8ed$8953f810$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46828B47.30158.C1DAF4@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jun 2007 Don A wrote: > WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place to listen to the > Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. > > I've had WCRB on here in the office today.....and they have been > promoting that they will be carrying the concert from the > Esplanade.... > > The *only* place? I heard WBZ say that yesterday, and I thought it rather surprising, first that it would even be carried on an AM station, and second that there wouldn't be an FM station carrying it somewhere. And I wondered how much of the concert itself we would actually hear on WBZ. I think it may be a bit like network coverage of political conventions, where you hardly ever see the convention, just the reporters talking to one another about the convention. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jun 27 17:24:01 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:24:01 -0400 Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 References: <03a301c7b8ed$8953f810$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <46828B47.30158.C1DAF4@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <015101c7b901$7c260200$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> Would this be a sort of cross-promotion --- that WBZ is going to more or less simulcast Channel 4's telecast? If that's the case, it would make sense. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Don A" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 > On 27 Jun 2007 Don A wrote: > > > WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place to listen to the > > Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. > > > > I've had WCRB on here in the office today.....and they have been > > promoting that they will be carrying the concert from the > > Esplanade.... > > > > The *only* place? > > I heard WBZ say that yesterday, and I thought it rather surprising, > first that it would even be carried on an AM station, and second that > there wouldn't be an FM station carrying it somewhere. And I > wondered how much of the concert itself we would actually hear on > WBZ. I think it may be a bit like network coverage of political > conventions, where you hardly ever see the convention, just the > reporters talking to one another about the convention. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From mike@miscon.net Wed Jun 27 19:14:25 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:14:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC 3 In-Reply-To: <03a401c7b8ed$89f2f730$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <20070627171953.A98721158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <03a401c7b8ed$89f2f730$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <.24.60.119.12.1182986065.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> IIRC this has been discussed here in some depth before. That is to say, both the fact that WLLH is the last of the original dual-synchronous transmitting stations (that's true, isn't it?), and that the FCC has - in a way - lost track of it. BTW, I know I've got (original) paperwork on WLLH's original Western Electric transmitter (Lowell site) somewhere around here... shuffle, mumble mumble, shuffle... Mike > > From: "Laurence Glavin" > > >> If I remember correctly, if you looked up WLLH at the FCC's website in >> the >> past, >> you viewed only one listing: the licensed Lowell facility. Now if you >> look >> up WLLH, you get two listings, one for Lawrence and one for Lowell. > > I have never seen a proper coverage map indicating the reach of BOTH > transmitters. > > The Radio-Locators.com site only shows the pattern of the Loweel TX. > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 22:16:43 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? (2) In-Reply-To: <015101c7b901$7c260200$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <589456.18032.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > < rather surprising, first > that it would even be carried on an AM station . . . > >> Would this be a sort > of cross-promotion --- that WBZ is going to more or > less simulcast Channel > 4's telecast? If that's the case, it would make > sense. I believe it is a CBS/Ch4/WBZ all-inclusive deal... But how does that makes sense? "The only palce on the dial to hear the Pop's 4th of July concert"??? How does that make more sense? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Don A" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th > Concert? 2 > > > > On 27 Jun 2007 Don A wrote: > > > > > WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place > to listen to the > > > Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. > > > > > > I've had WCRB on here in the office > today.....and they have been > > > promoting that they will be carrying the concert > from the > > > Esplanade.... > > > > > > The *only* place? > > > > I heard WBZ say that yesterday, and I thought it > rather surprising, > > first that it would even be carried on an AM > station, and second that > > there wouldn't be an FM station carrying it > somewhere. And I > > wondered how much of the concert itself we would > actually hear on > > WBZ. I think it may be a bit like network > coverage of political > > conventions, where you hardly ever see the > convention, just the > > reporters talking to one another about the > convention. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > > 92 State Street Fax: > 617.507.7856 > > Boston, MA 02109 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 22:16:45 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) In-Reply-To: <.24.60.119.12.1182986065.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <205587.28505.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- mike@miscon.net wrote: > That is to say, > both the fact that WLLH is the last of the original > dual-synchronous > transmitting stations... I think it was the first of the original dual-synch transmitting stations. The used to have a top of the hour ID. "The only station in America transmitting from TWO cities". ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 28 12:07:13 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:07:13 -0500 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) Message-ID: <20070628160713.5406C16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald A." >To: mike@miscon.net, bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) >--- mike@miscon.net wrote: > That is to say, > both the fact that WLLH is the last of the original > dual-synchronous > transmitting stations... >I think it was the first of the original dual-synch >transmitting stations. >The used to have a top of the hour ID. "The only >station in America transmitting from TWO cities". That must have been AFTER the breakup of the WBZ-WBZA "synchronous"operation. Getting back to the rationale of my most recent post; the listing of BOTH CitieS of License (Dan take note) at fcc/gov/media/audiobureau/AM (not a real URL but the pathway to the FCC listing) with the notation that Lawrence was to become the CitY of License appears to be a new development. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 13:32:27 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:32:27 -0400 Subject: Claprood.... Message-ID: <02d101c7b9aa$4f624e50$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Does anyone have a mailing address for Marjorie Claprood. A colleague is trying to drop her a note.... Thanks (You can always drop me anolte privately if you don't want to post it.) From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 28 12:21:08 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:21:08 -0500 Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 Message-ID: <20070628162108.C84BF16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? 2 >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:00:58 -0400 >WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place to listen to the >Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. >I've had WCRB on here in the office today Have other people in the office complained to OSHA or some other agency charged with the responsibility to protect workers from abuse? >.....and they have been >promoting that they will be carrying the concert from the >Esplanade.... >The *only* place? I'm beginning to wonder what WBZ and also WTKK mean by the word 'only'; WBZ also calls itself the ONLY news station in Boston; is that because WBUR supplements news coverage with talk shows? So does WBZ, and WBUR doesn't run program-length commercials disguised as talk shows (although their beg-a-thons come close). And WTKK-FM bills itslf as boston's ONLY full-time talk station. That must mean they don't consider spectator-sports play-by-play as talk...hmmmm aren't the people describing the action (action? this is baseball after all) TALKING? And there were rumors last fall that WTKK might have been in the bidding for the Red Sox broadcast rights. And Jay Severin plays so much hard-rock recorded material as bumpers that WTKK could be considered as a talk-rock station! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jun 28 14:19:21 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:19:21 -0400 Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? Message-ID: <081701c7b9b0$d9dfe460$0200a8c0@Office> Just curious...will anyone be recording the final Paul Sullivan show on WBZ tonight. I have to work and won't be able to hear it.......I talked to Paul's producer today and told him that Gene Burns wants to call in and wish Paul well - that should happen around 9:15 or so. Gary Francis WCAP And for 5 years Paul's fill-in on Morning Magazine on WLLH From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jun 28 14:35:35 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:35:35 -0500 Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? Message-ID: <20070628183535.172301CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> I can tape it--contact me off list--Bob -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 28 15:03:30 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:03:30 -0400 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) References: <20070628160713.5406C16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001501c7b9b7$27b251e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, there is an ESPN Spanish network, although it may be only on TV and not on radio. If WLLH suddenly begins broadcasting in Spanish, we'll know why the station wants to be licensed to Lawrence. I suspect, though, that the CoL change is something that Mega applied for when it owned the station and the FCC has only now caught up with. Perhaps, J-Sports (current owners) never knew that the application had been filed and may not be aware it even now. Or, maybe CDBS is just out of sync. Wouldn't be the first time--or, so it seems, the 10,000th. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Donald A." ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donald A." > >To: mike@miscon.net, bri@bostonradio.org > >Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) > >--- mike@miscon.net wrote: > > That is to say, > > both the fact that WLLH is the last of the original > > dual-synchronous > > transmitting stations... > > >I think it was the first of the original dual-synch > >transmitting stations. > >The used to have a top of the hour ID. "The only > >station in America transmitting from TWO cities". > > That must have been AFTER the breakup of the WBZ-WBZA > "synchronous"operation. > Getting back to the rationale of my most recent post; > the listing of BOTH CitieS of License (Dan take note) at > fcc/gov/media/audiobureau/AM (not a real URL but the pathway > to the FCC listing) with the notation that Lawrence was to become > the CitY of License appears to be a new development. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > -- > We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jun 28 15:29:00 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:29:00 -0400 Subject: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? (2) References: <589456.18032.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019001c7b9ba$94ab2c10$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> Only as a joint promotion for the network and the two stations, nothing more, nothing less. As you said, it's an all-inclusive deal. It's the claim that doesn't make sense. It would if it were true. Maybe 'BZ is justifying it because it's an AM station, -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald A." To: "Doug Drown" ; "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th Concert? (2) > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > > > < > rather surprising, first > > that it would even be carried on an AM station . . . > > >> Would this be a sort > > of cross-promotion --- that WBZ is going to more or > > less simulcast Channel > > 4's telecast? If that's the case, it would make > > sense. > > I believe it is a CBS/Ch4/WBZ all-inclusive deal... > > But how does that makes sense? > > "The only palce on the dial to hear the Pop's 4th of > July concert"??? > > How does that make more sense? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > To: "Don A" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: The ONLY place to hear the Pops 4th > > Concert? 2 > > > > > > > On 27 Jun 2007 Don A wrote: > > > > > > > WBZ has been promoting itself as the ONLY place > > to listen to the > > > > Boston Pops concert on the 4rth. > > > > > > > > I've had WCRB on here in the office > > today.....and they have been > > > > promoting that they will be carrying the concert > > from the > > > > Esplanade.... > > > > > > > > The *only* place? > > > > > > I heard WBZ say that yesterday, and I thought it > > rather surprising, > > > first that it would even be carried on an AM > > station, and second that > > > there wouldn't be an FM station carrying it > > somewhere. And I > > > wondered how much of the concert itself we would > > actually hear on > > > WBZ. I think it may be a bit like network > > coverage of political > > > conventions, where you hardly ever see the > > convention, just the > > > reporters talking to one another about the > > convention. > > > > > > -- > > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > > 617.367.0468 > > > 92 State Street Fax: > > 617.507.7856 > > > Boston, MA 02109 > > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Jun 28 15:46:05 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:05 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Just curious...will anyone be recording the final Paul Sullivan show on WBZ,tonight. Message-ID: <46840FFD.1010404@Gmail.com> Gary Francis wrote, > Just curious...will anyone be recording the final Paul Sullivan > show on WBZ tonight. Besides streaming, aren't they going to podcast it? I haven't heard anything one way or the other, but the way they've been promoting just about everything on-air can be found on their website as a podcast (and I don't think there would be any copyright conflicts involved). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From haverhill01835@comcast.net Thu Jun 28 16:52:14 2007 From: haverhill01835@comcast.net (haverhill01835@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:52:14 +0000 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) Message-ID: <062820072052.16295.46841F7E0006E7CA00003FA722068136130C050303@comcast.net> There is an ESPN Spanish Radio Network (ESPN Desportes) - it's most recent home was on WCCM 1490 AM for about a year or so during the night/overnight hours. Marc Lemay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dan Strassberg" > Well, there is an ESPN Spanish network, although it may be only on TV and > not on radio. If WLLH suddenly begins broadcasting in Spanish, we'll know > why the station wants to be licensed to Lawrence. I suspect, though, that > the CoL change is something that Mega applied for when it owned the station > and the FCC has only now caught up with. Perhaps, J-Sports (current owners) > never knew that the application had been filed and may not be aware it even > now. Or, maybe CDBS is just out of sync. Wouldn't be the first time--or, so > it seems, the 10,000th. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Donald A." ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Donald A." > > >To: mike@miscon.net, bri@bostonradio.org > > >Subject: Re: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- mike@miscon.net wrote: > > > That is to say, > > > both the fact that WLLH is the last of the original > > > dual-synchronous > > > transmitting stations... > > > > >I think it was the first of the original dual-synch > > >transmitting stations. > > >The used to have a top of the hour ID. "The only > > >station in America transmitting from TWO cities". > > > > That must have been AFTER the breakup of the WBZ-WBZA > > "synchronous"operation. > > Getting back to the rationale of my most recent post; > > the listing of BOTH CitieS of License (Dan take note) at > > fcc/gov/media/audiobureau/AM (not a real URL but the pathway > > to the FCC listing) with the notation that Lawrence was to become > > the CitY of License appears to be a new development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > > > > -- > > We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! > > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > > > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 28 15:20:45 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:20:45 -0500 Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? Message-ID: <20070628192045.4DC06478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary's Ice Cream" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:19:21 -0400 >Just curious...will anyone be recording the final Paul Sullivan show on WBZ >tonight. >I have to work and won't be able to hear it.......I talked to Paul's >producer today and told him that Gene Burns wants to call in and wish Paul >well - that should happen around 9:15 or so. >Gary Francis >WCAP >And for 5 years Paul's fill-in on Morning Magazine on WLLH I'm glad somebody answered your call about taping. For all WBZ's signal-strength, when I've taped their signal at night I get a bit of splatter from co-owned KDKA, and some lightning static (it's supposed to be stormy tonight) as well as occasional electric noise in the neighborhood. After all, I'm about 40 miles from Hull. I hope I can catch Gene Burns while he's on...in this era of Severin and Graham and Carr, etc, his pattern of civilized discourse is certainly missed on Boston radio. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 29 01:09:01 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:09:01 -0400 Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? In-Reply-To: <081701c7b9b0$d9dfe460$0200a8c0@Office> References: <081701c7b9b0$d9dfe460$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <468493ED.9090506@fybush.com> Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Just curious...will anyone be recording the final Paul Sullivan show on WBZ > tonight. > > I have to work and won't be able to hear it.......I talked to Paul's > producer today and told him that Gene Burns wants to call in and wish Paul > well - that should happen around 9:15 or so. > I was at the station until about 9-ish, and got everything but the 11-midnight tribute hour on tape. Did anyone else get the 11 PM hour? s From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 29 02:12:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:12:03 -0500 Subject: WLLH Listing With FCC (3) In-Reply-To: <20070628160713.5406C16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070628160713.5406C16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46845C63.16239.5C9F6D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jun 2007 at 11:07, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >I think it was the first of the original dual-synch > >transmitting stations. > >The used to have a top of the hour ID. "The only > >station in America transmitting from TWO cities". > > That must have been AFTER the breakup of the WBZ-WBZA > "synchronous"operation. I don't think it was. I first heard WLLH, Lowel-Lawrence in the late 1950s, quite a few years before the shutdown of WBZA. The difference, I think, was that WBZ-WBZA were two stations each with its own callsign, and they were separated by a much larger distance. WLLH had two transmitters in adjacent cities, both broadcasting with the same callsign. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jun 29 03:01:53 2007 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:01:53 -0400 Subject: WLLH Message-ID: <002f01c7ba1b$65872ef0$6358da18@Chicken159> The correct top of the hour ID is WLLH Lowell and Lawrence. I have to continuously get after the PD regarding this subject. Also WAMG Dedham / Boston (if they choose to) No other variation is legal. Chris Hall From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 29 03:58:26 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:58:26 -0500 Subject: Anybody taping Paul Sullivan tonight? Message-ID: <20070629075827.06F3183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Did anyone else get the 11 PM hour? I did and can give you details via a private email... From greg@gregsvoice.com Fri Jun 29 20:18:19 2007 From: greg@gregsvoice.com (Greg Littlefield) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:18:19 -0400 Subject: FCC Hearing in Portland last night Message-ID: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> I was wondering if anyone either went to or caught a live feed of the public hearing about local content that the FCC held at Portland High School last night. I watched the last two hours via a stream fed from WLBZ-TV's website and was actually pleased to have heard a few statements that were well thought-out. It seemed that most folks don't consider PSA's, hour-long Sunday morning community affairs programs and weather bulletins sufficient to qualify as local content. Anyone else catch it? Greg From scott@fybush.com Sat Jun 30 00:12:27 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:12:27 -0400 Subject: Is it time for WTBS to make a comeback on 88.1? Message-ID: <4685D82B.1020602@fybush.com> The calls will disappear from channel 17 in Atlanta in October, 28 years after they moved from Cambridge to Georgia. Wouldn't it be a kick to see them come back home? http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2007/06/28/0628bizturner.html s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 30 00:15:32 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:15:32 -0400 Subject: FCC Hearing in Portland last night In-Reply-To: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> References: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> Message-ID: <4685D8E4.5060201@cssinc.com> Greg Littlefield wrote: > I was wondering if anyone either went to or caught a live feed of the > public hearing about local content that the FCC held at Portland High > School last night. I watched the last two hours via a stream fed from > WLBZ-TV's website and was actually pleased to have heard a few > statements that were well thought-out. It seemed that most folks > don't consider PSA's, hour-long Sunday morning community affairs > programs and weather bulletins sufficient to qualify as local content. > > Anyone else catch it? > > Greg What was it about? Brian Vita From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 30 00:31:03 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:31:03 -0400 Subject: Antenna Advice Message-ID: <4685DC87.5090604@cssinc.com> My Sangean HDT-1 receiver arrived Thursday and, after finally putting a real antenna on it, the FM sounds great. I initially tried the indoor dipole thing that comes with it and could actually pick up some stations but couldn't lock onto any of the GM stations in HD. Other stations did however. I moved the antenna to my back window and it improved somewhat to the point where I could pick up all of the GM stations in HD except Magic (more accurately, I was trying to pick up WMJX-2 (smooth jazz, don't ya know). I still couldn't get a lock. I moved the dipole to the attic and was able to lock onto all of the GM stations last night but couldn't get a lock this AM. I finally went down to a Radio Shack (somewhat inappropriate name these days) and grabbed the one outdoor VHF/UHF/FM antenna in their inventory and put it together in the attic Aside from the fact that the assembly hardware was missing, it went together in about 20 mins and is hysterical. The foolish thing is about 14' long. Picks up just about everything out there. After a few hours of listening, I am impressed with the quality. Overall the signal quality on the FM is better than XM. WMJX-2's programming is very good also. I also checked out WROR-2 (all 70's) and was impressed. The other HD-2 channels in the market didn't impress me. I'm not into Classic Hip-Hop, Radio You (whatever the hell that is) or all Irish all the time. How about dumping one of those and replacing it with the Fox (or CNN) News audio feed? As far as the AM side, I hooked up the loop thingy that they ship with it and, much to my surprise, I had a clean pickup of WRKO, WBZ and several others (with my previous receiver the same type of loop gave me all static all the time). I wasn't able to pick up the HD on any AM channel though. I was considering running a long wire hanging just below the bar joists in my building to the receiver and grounding the ground terminal. Any thoughts on a better solution? I'm not really into buying one of those antenna in a box deals. Your input is greatly appreciated. For reference, I'm just outside of Peabody Square on Walnut St in a cinderblock building that sits somewhat inside of a depression (the building, not me). Brian Vita From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Jun 30 04:31:58 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:31:58 -0300 Subject: Antenna Advice References: <4685DC87.5090604@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <004201c7baf1$20a64240$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Hi Brian... Depending on the construction methods used with the bar joists themselves, you might be able to use a connection straight to them as an antenna. While polarization differences present somewhat of a loss, there is a school of thought that the more metal you can get up there, the better you can receive... As for the Rat Shack thingie...is that 14' vertical or horizontal? Maybe it's one of those discone antennas that ends up cross polarized also. I'm assuming that you have the Sangean where you work, maybe Ill stop by to check it out. Smooth Jazz uninterrupted sound good to me... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:31 AM Subject: Antenna Advice > My Sangean HDT-1 receiver arrived Thursday and, after finally putting a > real antenna on it, the FM sounds great. I initially tried the indoor > dipole thing that comes with it and could actually pick up some stations > but couldn't lock onto any of the GM stations in HD. Other stations did > however. > > I moved the antenna to my back window and it improved somewhat to the > point where I could pick up all of the GM stations in HD except Magic > (more accurately, I was trying to pick up WMJX-2 (smooth jazz, don't ya > know). I still couldn't get a lock. > > I moved the dipole to the attic and was able to lock onto all of the GM > stations last night but couldn't get a lock this AM. I finally went > down to a Radio Shack (somewhat inappropriate name these days) and > grabbed the one outdoor VHF/UHF/FM antenna in their inventory and put it > together in the attic Aside from the fact that the assembly hardware > was missing, it went together in about 20 mins and is hysterical. The > foolish thing is about 14' long. Picks up just about everything out there. > > After a few hours of listening, I am impressed with the quality. > Overall the signal quality on the FM is better than XM. WMJX-2's > programming is very good also. I also checked out WROR-2 (all 70's) and > was impressed. The other HD-2 channels in the market didn't impress > me. I'm not into Classic Hip-Hop, Radio You (whatever the hell that is) > or all Irish all the time. How about dumping one of those and replacing > it with the Fox (or CNN) News audio feed? > > As far as the AM side, I hooked up the loop thingy that they ship with > it and, much to my surprise, I had a clean pickup of WRKO, WBZ and > several others (with my previous receiver the same type of loop gave me > all static all the time). I wasn't able to pick up the HD on any AM > channel though. > > I was considering running a long wire hanging just below the bar joists > in my building to the receiver and grounding the ground terminal. Any > thoughts on a better solution? I'm not really into buying one of those > antenna in a box deals. > > Your input is greatly appreciated. > > For reference, I'm just outside of Peabody Square on Walnut St in a > cinderblock building that sits somewhat inside of a depression (the > building, not me). > > Brian Vita > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jun 30 07:23:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:23:02 -0400 Subject: Antenna Advice References: <4685DC87.5090604@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7bb09$1d496ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In Peabody, if you couldn't get WBZ in HD, either you must have been listening at night, when HD is still off, or else something may be wrong with the receiver or the antenna. WBZ comes in REALLY well on the North Shore, and if they were running HD (and I can hear the HD sidebands all day), WBZ should come in just fine in HD. If it doesn't, you need to do some troubleshooting. Neither WMKI not WXKS is anywhere near as strong as WBZ in Peabody but their daytime signals there aren't bad--I suspect more than 5 mV/m, which ought to be adequate but may not be. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Antenna Advice > > As far as the AM side, I wasn't able to pick up the HD on any AM > channel. > > For reference, I'm just outside of Peabody Square on Walnut St in a > cinderblock building that sits somewhat inside of a depression (the > building, not me). > > Brian Vita From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jun 30 06:44:23 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:44:23 -0400 Subject: FCC Hearing in Portland last night References: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> Message-ID: <001a01c7bb03$a14e2ea0$0301a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Littlefield" >I was wondering if anyone either went to or caught a live feed of the >public hearing about local content that the FCC held at Portland High >School last night. I watched the last two hours via a stream fed from >WLBZ-TV's website and was actually pleased to have heard a few statements >that were well thought-out. It seemed that most folks don't consider >PSA's, hour-long Sunday morning community affairs programs and weather >bulletins sufficient to qualify as local content. > > Anyone else catch it? > Greg, i caught a lot of it on local access tv, but was unable to attend as i had a community volunteer meeting to attend - one of those things to which a few people spoke in regards to broadcasters not caring about the local area. there were two one-hour panel sessions - to which a select group were given five minutes to present their impression of localism in broadcasting. and there were two two-hour open mic sessions to which pre-registered speakers were given two minutes to either praise or rail against broadcasting. my favorite speaker came late in the evening - one who described mainstream media as nothing more than reading propaganda filled press releases from the RNC, and then doing it over and over and over again. there were a few people from MA who made the trip up (one guy from Somerville was, shall we say, interesting. not quite sure what or who he was mad at). the broadcasting, advertising and non-profit community all turned out to speak of radio & tv's continuous efforts to assist the community. broadcasters rattled off a list of accomplishments, at least those they could fit in under two minutes. advertising partners chimed in with glowing words about radio & tv's ability to get the word out and rally support. the non-profit groups all to a person admitted they'd be dead where they stood without the help of radio and tv. the non-conventional folks (notably, most of the volunteer staff of wpmg), were all seemingly pretty upset at the local commericial, out-of-state-owned broadcast conglomerates who endeavor to keep the people down, keep the people from choice, keep the people from information. it was, in all, pretty 60's-protest - esque there were a few viable points made by people who live in the midcoast (Rockland) region in regards to NO local info for them. the stations are either simulcast or programmed remotely. it was a matter of pride here in Maine that most towns had their own station. sadly, most of those have been consumed in the consolodation shuffle. and now many of these areas rely on the local LPFM to get their local news and whatnot. if there are complaints about broadcasting's lack of localism, it would be more germaine to areas that are no longer served on-the-spot, so to speak, by area residents. i would say that in larger areas, such as Portland, Augusta and Bangor, the residents are pretty well served, even if the local stations are owned by evil out-of-state conglomerates or investment happy dentists. - -Chuck Igo From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 30 10:27:33 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:27:33 -0400 Subject: Antenna Advice In-Reply-To: <004201c7baf1$20a64240$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <4685DC87.5090604@cssinc.com> <004201c7baf1$20a64240$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <46866855.1030802@cssinc.com> Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Hi Brian... > > Depending on the construction methods used with the bar joists themselves, > you might be able to use a connection straight to them as an antenna. While > polarization differences present somewhat of a loss, there is a school of > thought that the more metal you can get up there, the better you can > receive... > My concern was that somewhere along the line the bar joists might be tied to a ground, which, I thought would render it moot. > As for the Rat Shack thingie...is that 14' vertical or horizontal? Maybe > it's one of those discone antennas that ends up cross polarized also. > 14' long and about 2' high if I attach the UHF bowtie and the stiffening bar. Right now it's hanging from its CG by sail cord from the bar joists using my "economy rotor" technique. > I'm assuming that you have the Sangean where you work, maybe Ill stop by to > check it out. Smooth Jazz uninterrupted sound good to me... > > It's in my "studio" and plugged into the console. The mono bus of the console feeds the office BM music system and the telephone MOH. When I'm not using the "studio" it gives me the option of listening to CD/XM or now HD radio while I work. When I'm doing production work or prerecording a show it makes a neat "air monitor" while I sneak out to refill my coffee cup. When some of the other WMWM jocks use the studio to prerecord their shows, I split the board so that I have what I want in the office and they can record their show in the studio. The door is always open (workload permitting) to any BRI'er who has the misfortune to be in Peabody to stick their heads in and say hi or get a listen. Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 30 10:31:03 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:31:03 -0400 Subject: Antenna Advice In-Reply-To: <001f01c7bb09$1d496ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4685DC87.5090604@cssinc.com> <001f01c7bb09$1d496ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46866927.4000303@cssinc.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > In Peabody, if you couldn't get WBZ in HD, either you must have been > listening at night, when HD is still off, or else something may be wrong > with the receiver or the antenna. WBZ comes in REALLY well on the North > Shore, and if they were running HD (and I can hear the HD sidebands all > day), WBZ should come in just fine in HD. If it doesn't, you need to do some > troubleshooting. Neither WMKI not WXKS is anywhere near as strong as WBZ in > Peabody but their daytime signals there aren't bad--I suspect more than 5 > mV/m, which ought to be adequate but may not be. > > -- > D You know, I didn't even consider the daytime/night time aspect. I'll check it out. I thought that the FCC just gave the OK to nighttime AM IBOC. Is that not so? Are the Boston stations not taking advantage of it? Just a side note, how come only GM seems to be promoting HD. If you look at the websites for the non-GM stations (ie. Entercom and others) broadcasting in HD there's nary a mention of HD. Even WBZ you have to dig around for. Is WRKO not doing HD? Brian From sid@wrko.com Sat Jun 30 11:00:42 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:00:42 -0600 Subject: Antenna Advice Message-ID: >>I thought that the FCC just gave the OK to nighttime AM IBOC. Is that not so? Are the Boston stations not taking advantage of it?<< The rules covering nighttime AM-IBOC don't take effect until sometime in July. >>Is WRKO not doing HD?<< Nope. Neither is WEEI. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From glickman@MIT.EDU Sat Jun 30 13:51:38 2007 From: glickman@MIT.EDU (glickman@MIT.EDU) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: Is it time for WTBS to make a comeback on 88.1? Message-ID: <20070630135138.s03tyrqkytpckkgk@webmail.mit.edu> I still have the two $25K check stubs from Ted Turner's "donation" in the Technology Broadcasting Corporation (formerly WTBS Foundation, Inc.) corporate files. In the early 80s I had a business meeting with Ted Turner (for unrelated reasons... it was CNN/weather related), and offered to sell him my MA license plate "WTBS." He declined :) It now hangs on the wall of my home office. -Todd Glickman WTBS/WMBR 1973- From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jun 30 16:45:31 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:45:31 -0400 Subject: FCC Hearing in Portland last night In-Reply-To: <001a01c7bb03$a14e2ea0$0301a8c0@Family> References: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> <001a01c7bb03$a14e2ea0$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <1D4822CC94094EE5966F4580F846687E@DanBillingsPC> The company buying the Rockland stations from Clear Channel plans to move the studios back to Rockland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: "Greg Littlefield" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: FCC Hearing in Portland last night > there were a few viable points made by people who live in the midcoast > (Rockland) region in regards to NO local info for them. the stations are > either simulcast or programmed remotely. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jun 30 20:48:52 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:48:52 -0400 Subject: FCC Hearing in Portland last night References: <4685A14B.1010000@gregsvoice.com> <001a01c7bb03$a14e2ea0$0301a8c0@Family> <1D4822CC94094EE5966F4580F846687E@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <026f01c7bb79$993e1c90$6501a8c0@pastor2> Having lived in Maine for 31 years as a transplant from Massachusetts, and having watched and heard the evolution of radio in Maine over that time, my biggest complaint echoes that of the "inland" folk who were present at Thursday's meeting. Before our local stations were taken over by the various conglomerates, one could hear hourly newscasts that featured both national and regional news. T'ain't so any more . . . some stations barely broadcast news at all. Here in central Maine, we can clearly receive two stations that do on-the-hour news ---- WLOB and WVOM --- and they're both Fox affiliates. I would add, neither one originates here: one is in Portland, the other Bangor. WVOM (currently owned by Clear Channel) does live news at :20 during the morning drive time and, I think, at noon (I can't get the signal here at home, so I'm not sure), and then repeats the same Bangor Daily News "headlines" over and over again during the afternoon drive time. Even MPBN broadcasts news only during drive time and at noon. At least they do a commendable job. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Chuck Igo" ; "Greg Littlefield" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: FCC Hearing in Portland last night > The company buying the Rockland stations from Clear Channel plans to move > the studios back to Rockland. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Igo" > To: "Greg Littlefield" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM > Subject: Re: FCC Hearing in Portland last night > > > there were a few viable points made by people who live in the midcoast > > (Rockland) region in regards to NO local info for them. the stations are > > either simulcast or programmed remotely. >