From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:07 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:07 -0500 Subject: Underwood, undercover -- sort of. In-Reply-To: <610249.80047.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <610249.80047.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C12FA3.6742.64C8FA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 7:27, Sean Smyth wrote: > An interesting morsel from the Inside Track: Apparently an undercover > police officer went online pretending to be a young teenage girl, > "Sarah Underwood," when conducting an online sex sting. > > http://www.townonline.com/homepage/8998967440243163133 And, as the article mentions, there was also Sara Jean Underwood, who was a recent Playmate of the Month. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: WLVI 56 color bars In-Reply-To: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> References: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> Message-ID: <45C12FA4.23842.64CB48@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 1:18, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > I thought someone would mention before I got to it.... > tonight (1-30) just before 8pm (& CW feed for Gilmore Girls), > ch56 aired about 2 minutes of color bars / audio tone, > then about 1 minute of blank screen & dead audio. > Then CW popped in on time. I was noticing that too. The increasing incidence of these glitches these days reflects badly on the professionalism of the people running the stations. There was more professionalism in the early days of television, when everyone was inexperienced and the equipment was klunky. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> References: , <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45C12FA4.18028.64CBD6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 21:47, Bill O'Neill wrote: > If there isn't, ultimately, a clear penalty dealt in this regard then > we've just witnessed but a preview of 21st century marketing. There may not be an FCC penalty, but it sounds like law enforcement authorities will seek criminal penalties under other laws. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C12FA4.11138.64CC82@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 19:36, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was > broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, > and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. It sounds as though it doesn't. It looks like this regulation was adopted after the Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast to prevent such a panic from happening again. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 1 00:14:02 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:14:02 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" References: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia: Next, are Boston (area) police going to investigate possible bombs in other electronic / blinking LED / circuit board devices..... such as.... - traffic lights made of multiple super-bright LEDs, - local police (rented?) street "folding board" flashing (incandescent lights) "your speed is..." signs, - bank scrolling LED signs showing the time & temperature & whatever ads. and what if [I am NOT proposing that anyone do it] someone mounted an animated Pacman (flashing LEDs) display on Boston PD HQ? granted, WTBS's campaign was placed on critical bridges, etc, but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently ? Are Boston area people so different in attitudes from say, Austin TX? or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra cautiously? end political rant from a non-political person. Bob Sutherland From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 00:27:41 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:27:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Robert F. Sutherland" wrote: > and what if [I am NOT proposing that anyone do it] > someone mounted an animated Pacman (flashing LEDs) display > on Boston PD HQ? The problem with these promos is that not everyone is aware of the show. It's got a pretty sizable cult following -- notice the word, though, cult. It's not a mainstream smash. I've heard of it, and I know people who watch it, but I've never seen the show, so I wouldn't know a ATHF character from a hole in the wall. Oh, yeah, Pacman's pretty much a universal phenomenon. This surely went through several layers of folks before the bomb squad was called in. If the show is as popular as everyone claims, why did no one recognize that these were depictions of characters from the show? > granted, WTBS's campaign was placed on critical bridges, etc, > but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > ? > Are Boston area people so different in attitudes from say, Austin > TX? Well, the devices were not noticed in other cities until they were found here. Philadelphia police tonight said there are a bunch of them. Of course, we now know it's a hoax. > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the > NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra > cautiously? Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to shreds. ObMedia: We'd be ripping major media outlets for not altering us to them or not covering the story. > end political rant from a non-political person. Conveniently, this stunt takes place less than two months before the ATHF film comes out. Sorry for the going-off-topic nature of the reply. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Feb 1 00:44:15 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:44:15 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD Message-ID: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> Channel 5 interrupted prime time network programming tonight with a 2 minute report on the Aqua Teen Terror Alert. This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's another step toward the first HD local newscast. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 01:41:44 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:41:44 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17857.35752.136593.122730@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Of course, we now know it's a hoax. No, we don't know it's a hoax; indeed, we know that it is/was not a hoax. (That's one of the things that has infuriated me about the coverage I've seen so far -- that and the constant references to "Turner Broadcasting", a company that exists in name only, rather than the actual Time Warner.) Our friends at m-w.com (sorry, no access to the OED from my undisclosed location) give two definitions for "hoax" as a noun: (1) an act intended to trick or dupe: imposture (2) something accepted or established by fraud or fabrication Today's stunt does not fit either definition: it was not intended to trick or dupe, nor was it "established by fraud". However, the Massachusetts General Laws give a different definition, which states: For the purposes of this section, the term hoax device shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term infernal machine shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically. (M.G.L. chap. 266, sec. 102a1/2(b)) So it probably does fit under the Massachsetts legalese term "hoax device". I would still argue that broadcasters are being irresponsible to describe it as a "hoax", since journalists should use standard language and not legalese. For what it's worth, I think the Commonwealth would have a tough time proving the "intent to cause anxiety, unrest, fear or personal discomfort to any person or group of persons" required by paragraph (a) to make it criminal. (I would not be surprised if the ultimate result is that the guy they arrested today ends up pleading down to a misdemeanor public-disturbance charge, probably paying a fine equal to the money he received from the marketing firm, and appearing as a witness in a civil suit against the marketing firm and Time Warner. I hope he can get a good lawyer.) -GAWollman From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 01:43:25 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:43:25 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> Message-ID: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy > enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's > another step toward the first HD local newscast. A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, although I don't recall which market. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 1 03:58:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:58:18 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: <20070201085818.1CF371024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Someone called WBZ radio tonight and said IEDs have four parts: power, switch, low density explosive, and high density explosive (something like that). These devices had the first two, at least. Supposedly one of the devices looked very convincing. WBZ mentioned a second arrest about 12:30 am tonight. The first was a 27 year old art student (exchange student from Belarus living in Arlington) while the second was a 28 year old from Charlestown = Patio Heaters on Sale Propane and electric Patio Heaters. Same day shipping. 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Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 1 07:23:15 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:23:15 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>Most fans of the TV show, the upcoming movie, and Cartoon Network's Adult Swim probably think this is the funniest promotion ever performed. Government officials could fume for the rest of the month and they will think it is even funnier. Boston got punked.<< Unfortunately, this is exactly the sort of thing that invites government intervention (read: new laws or regulations). Most people over 30 don't think this is funny at all, and they're the ones who make the laws. The abuse of liberty historically brings about more restrictions on liberty. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 1 07:27:38 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:27:38 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>It looks like this regulation was adopted after the Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast to prevent such a panic from happening again.<< Look at the regulation again, particularly the line at the bottom enclosed in brackets. The regulation was posted to the Federal Register on June 26, 1992. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From john@minutemancomm.com Thu Feb 1 07:37:31 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:37:31 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> I think this rule fits the Water Drinking stunt more than this incident. This incident seems like an accident. I don't think Turner Broadcasting had any intent to cause what happened. Should they have used more sense in a post 911 world? Well I guess we know that now but I'm not sure that they would have thought of that in advance. I think if they apologize and offer to pay for some or all of the extra costs of this marketing stunt that the government officials should relax their attack. However if these new reports are true that they didn't release the locations of all the other signs when asked is true I think that will change the situation dramatically. If it was a marketing mistake Turner should take immediate actions to explain that and fix it. If they decide to go silent for fear of litigation on the advice of counsel then I think they can expect litigation and perhaps license challenges. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:37 PM To: boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" >>if there's a rule against broadcast hoaxes, why wasn't any action taken against the clowns who broadcast April Fools Day news a few years ago about Mayor Menino having a heart attack or some such thing?<, Because that incident does NOT fit the definition of a broadcast "hoax." The applicable rule is here: TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED) PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations Sec. 73.1217 Broadcast hoaxes. No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if: (a) The licensee knows this information is false; (b) It is forseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm, and (c) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm. Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances. Note: For purposes of this rule, "public harm'' must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties. The public harm will be deemed foreseeable if the licensee could expect with a significant degree of certainty that public harm would occur. A "crime'' is any act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law. A "catastrophe'' is a disaster or imminent disaster involving violent or sudden event affecting the public. [57 FR 28640, June 26, 1992] =============================== Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 09:55:24 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:55:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545351.71155.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:01:57 Sid Schweiger wrote: > And if those objects have been sitting around for > two or three weeks, > undetected, I have to wonder if people on Turner's > payroll were the ones > who reported them to authorities. Funny how they > all came to light on > the same day in ten different cities. > Exactly the thought that came to my mind. Even with my limited background in promotions compared to others, one of the things I was able to pick up when I did that line of work was that a lot of things that may seem accidental, may actually be completely intentional. For example - "leaks" of new songs before they're supposed to be played where the record companies issue "cease and desist" orders. Although they may seem unplanned and spur of the moment, as my old promotions director pointed out, "Have you ever noticed how they only seem to happen in major markets, and that those events gets plenty of news coverage?" Of course, the next thought that comes to my mind is - what is the world of promotions coming to? This is now the second *seriously* boneheaded promotions move by media outlets in as many months. Maybe its because I'm 30 years old (referring to a theory someone else on the list has), but I just don't see the humor in reporting something as a potential explosive device just to gain publicity for your show (which I've noticed "just so happens to be" prominently written about in almost every news article about this situation). Sure, there's a chance this was legitimately reported by concerned citizens, but given all of the background information, quite frankly "I ain't buying it!" This stinks of a big publicity stunt right from the word go. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From me@billoneill.us Thu Feb 1 10:02:06 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:02:06 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> References: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <45C200EE.5010304@billoneill.us> Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra > cautiously? > > end political rant from a non-political person. Don't quit your day job. Bill O'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Thu Feb 1 10:42:58 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:42:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") Message-ID: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> >From various notes on the topic > Of course, we now know it's a hoax. >No, we don't know it's a hoax; > but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and > one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to > shreds. > ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia Personally, I think this was an ill-considered plan at best. The person who reported the suspicious object did fine. I was in London once and saw sign asking for such reports (back in IRA days). The initial response may have been okay. I do think bomb squad people are too quick to blast things with their water cannon, and this is one such case, but that action was defensible. However, the actions and reactions since that first event have turned into the theatre of the absurd. And why did the bomb squad think it was a bomb? It could have been radiological or biological device in which case blowing it up would be the _worst_ thing to do. By the way, I got a Po 210 refill for my Staticmaster dust brush a few days ago. $14.50 plus shipping from New York City. The instructions include "Keep away from children or persons who are unable to observe these simple precautions." I bought a 35 mm slide scanner and boy, can it image dust! Umm, where was I? Oh yeah, I drove my wife to the Manchester(/Boston) airport today and heard two separate cost estimates - $1,000,000 and $750,000. These go along with yesterday's $500,000, $600,000, and $700,000. I heard today's numbers on WBZ, making this post related to Boston radio. So there! Turner may have gotten that much advertising, I suspect they should pay it and move on. The people who were arrested perhaps should be charged for littering and tried on Court TV. Had this been a Real Terrorst Attack, why oh why would these devices be placed in plain view? Unless the terrorist organization were all real idiots, they'd be planted on the _other_ side of beams or tucked between things (which would increase damage). These were not the size of car bombs, perhaps some high tech explosives would cause some injuries, but there's no chance they'd take a bridge down. During a coal mining strike when at was in college in Pittsburgh, someone exploded a few sticks of dynamite at the base of a bridge. The shockwave just reflected away from the concrete and nothing was damaged. The people who shot a truck carrying dynamite on the PA Turnpike did better, crater, killed truck driver and injured themselves. While I fully understand that the bomb squad is a bunch of trained paranoiacs and have no sense of humor, that's no excuse to abandon common sense. So many things about the objects were wrong, I think deserve any criticism they get for their reponse _after_ the first sign. Mayor Menino should be leaning on Turner Broadcasting for reimbursement, but he should be saying "We will be talking with Turner and expect that they will reimburse us for our costs" instead of taking the incensed play-acting politician route. If he's not careful, someone might note the character on the sign was a Mooninite and suggest that future shows call their leader Mayor Moonino. Of course, I would never mention that. I might mention that the Mayor et al learn about "LED throwies" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwies There's a good chance that inspired this advertising campaign. What else might the late-night comics say? This all seems way too easy.... "What did Homeland Security know and when did they know it?" (Some enterprising reporter found a web page with a headline like "Who's putting signs on our Bridges," but Googling that didn't work.) Aren't these people suppose to be on top of what's happening here? "Homeland security announces new post of Guerilla Marketing Czar." That way, Turner and the marketing company could alert Homeland Security about such plans. "Indecency complaints filed about obscene gesture by Mooninite." I'm amazed at what the media has done with the middle finger "salute." Some media pixelated it, I saw one shot with the full display, a cut to a talking head, then a cut to a different scene with pixelation. Good Morning America has one of the signs, but they cut out the LEDs for the finger (assuming it really is a finger). That probably will hurt resale value on Ebay.... The Union Leader, being a newspaper simply cropped their photo, see http://www.unionleader.com/uploads/media-items/2007/january/feb1boston_175px.jpg Turner sells bumper stickers of the image and "Mayor Menino." Turner could send him the proceeds as part of restitution. I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more of that LED image in the next few months. And, of course, "Banned in Boston" -Ric Werme From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 1 11:45:44 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:45:44 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 1:43 AM -0500 2/1/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their >news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, >although I don't recall which market. And I have no idea why? Given the expenses involved, I can't see this contributing to the bottom line. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 1 13:37:59 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:37:59 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45C23387.9000705@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy >> enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's >> another step toward the first HD local newscast. > > A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their > news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, > although I don't recall which market. Boston is indeed slightly behind the curve when it comes to local HD news. WNBC in New York is 100% HD on material they originate themselves, for instance, including their live helicopter shots. WABC-TV is HD in studio, 16:9 SD in the field. Cleveland, for whatever reason, now has HD local news on all its stations except the Raycom-owned CBS/My duopoly. That's unusual - in most medium and large markets, it's just one station pioneering local HD news. Gannett seems to be in the lead, with most of its stations having converted now. WCVB's "Chronicle" is, of course, produced in HD, and I guess I can disclose that for an upcoming (end of this month) show on "100 Years of Radio in New England," videographer/producer Art Donahue was here in Rochester last month interviewing me. The HD gear he's using is quite nice - almost no moving parts, as it records to portable hard drives that can be swapped in and out of the camera. s From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Feb 1 13:54:06 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:54:06 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:45:44 EST." Message-ID: <200702011854.l11Is6vQ014430@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Larry wrote: >At 1:43 AM -0500 2/1/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their >>news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, >>although I don't recall which market. > >And I have no idea why? Given the expenses involved, I can't see >this contributing to the bottom line. The studio equipment (cameras, monitors, switching systems, etc.) has to be replaced every X number of years anyways. If the HD-capable stuff isn't that much more expensive than the SD-only stuff, and you're going to be buying new stuff anyways, then why not go for HD? Especially if you can use it for bragging rights against your competition, at least until the next time the competition's capital equipment cycle comes around. In Channel 5's specific case, they may be taking advantage of the HD gear they already bought for Chronicle (part of which may have been funded by Hearst's cable arm, which I believe still airs Chronicle on one of their cable channels). -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 13:40:15 2007 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:40:15 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring classical music to his town. He started his own (legal) "LP" station. Seems to cover Concord very well! http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. ;-) Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 14:29:55 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:29:55 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <17858.16307.335185.247323@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? I've met him -- real nice guy. He's worked for other stations in the market, and now has a home-based production business. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 1 14:36:13 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:36:13 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> References: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <45C2412D.3050101@ttlc.net> John Mullaney wrote: > This incident seems like an accident. I don't think Turner Broadcasting had > any intent to cause what happened. Should they have used more sense in a > post 911 world? Well I guess we know that now but I'm not sure that they > would have thought of that in advance. I think if they apologize and offer > to pay for some or all of the extra costs of this marketing stunt that the > government officials should relax their attack. > However if these new reports are true that they didn't release the locations > of all the other signs when asked is true I think that will change the > situation dramatically. > > If it was a marketing mistake Turner should take immediate actions to > explain that and fix it. If they decide to go silent for fear of litigation > on the advice of counsel then I think they can expect litigation and perhaps > license challenges. It is interesting to read Time-Warner's (updated) Standards of Business Conduct adopted last April. I have excerpted therefrom (for scholarly review purposes only): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A letter from the Chairman & CEO to all T-W Colleagues. "Wherever you work at Time Warner, these Standards should make unequivocal our commitment to the following broad principles: o We respect and obey the law. o We conduct ourselves as professionals and value diversity and merit in the workplace. o Our business loyalties are to the Company and we avoid conflicts of interest, real or apparent, that may jeopardize this primary allegience. o We are not false. We account for and disclose information about our Company honestly and in accordance with professional and legal requirements. o We deal honestly, fairly and respectfully with each other and with our suppliers, customers, competitors, governmental agencies and communities. o While our content may sometimes engender controversy, we want no one to question our character. o We accept and encourage good faith questions and challenges to conduct that may run counter to the Standards and we will not retaliate against those who raise or assert them. o We do not promulgate hollow words - we mean these things and want our Company to be defined by them. We urge all employees at all levels to embrace them and live by them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like one or more T-W employees are not embracing and living by them. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 1 15:04:58 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:04:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070201200500.8486783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I'd heard of them, and heard them once when driving on I-89. Check out the coverage page on their site: they said they increased their power from 18 to 80 watts but still have coverage problems. Being shoe-horned into the gap between WJMN and WHOM didn't help... From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 1 14:19:50 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:19:50 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <45C23D56.7060608@fybush.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? You betcha. Great guy. Here's a visit to his station (partway down the page): http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-050715.html s From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 1 14:21:36 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:21:36 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <004f01c745b6$e3c0db60$6600a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <019501c74636$31465660$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Nice job you're doing at 'KXL (I listen when I'm in Concord going to/from State House)! Paul Hopfgarten State Representative (R) Rockingham District #5 PO Box 246 Derry, New Hampshire (603) 437-1240 paul@derrynh.net -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of radiotony Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:10 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" What I find amazing about all this is that anyone - whether it was cops, govt officials, whomever - could possibly confuse a bunch of Lite Brites as bombs or a potential terrorist attack. Best, Tony Schinella From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 1 14:29:20 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:29:20 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <019601c74637$459903f0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which Can be picked up in Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Pappalardo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:40 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org; A. Joseph Ross; Laurence Glavin Cc: arts@wkxl1450.com Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring classical music to his town. He started his own (legal) "LP" station. Seems to cover Concord very well! http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. ;-) Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 1 16:49:51 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:49:51 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <019601c74637$459903f0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000f01c7464b$06c1bc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, maybe the music is to the liking of purists like Mr Glavin. If so, there would be virtually no cross-over of the play-list or listeners from 99.5. But let's not get Laurence started again. He hasn't taught most of us (certainly hasn't taught me) to appreciate his musical taste, but he has taught us that classical formats aren't all created equal. I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Joseph Pappalardo'" ; ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Laurence Glavin'" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: RE: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which Can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Joseph Pappalardo > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:40 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org; A. Joseph Ross; Laurence Glavin > Cc: arts@wkxl1450.com > Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > > Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring > classical music to his town. > > He started his own (legal) "LP" station. > > Seems to cover Concord very well! > > http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp > > In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for > Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. > ;-) > > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? > > From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 17:58:58 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:58:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <000f01c7464b$06c1bc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost> On 1 Feb 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I > believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so > we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our > world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. I haven't looked at the playlist, but I did turn off WCRB and listen to the WCNH streaming, and I've been enjoying it. There have been some operatic pieces that I didn't like, but they didn't last long, and I'm enjoying most of what they're playing. I also like the absence of loud intrusive commercials. This has the feel of the old WBCN, and I like it. WCRB has been continuing its habit of playing the same stuff over and over again, and lately I've been getting tired of hearing the first movement to Beethoven's 6th symphony. So while I'm delighted not to have to re-tune my radio several times a day, as I had to do at 102.5, I think I'm going to give the radio a rest and listen to WCNH for awhile. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 1 18:35:08 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:35:08 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, nobody can accuse WCRB of being very adventurous in its music selection. I would be quite interested to know the total number of selections in their rotation. A few weeks ago, I guessed at 40 total. I think the number is actually a little higher, but not a lot. There are so many thoroughly familiar selections in the limited genre of old war-horses that they play, I can't imagine that that they'd turn off any of the listeners with ultra-conservative taste to whom they seem to want to cater were they to double, triple, or even quintuple the play-list. I put myself in the ultra-conservative category when it comes to classical-music preferences and even I get bored with Pir Gynt twice a day. For starters, how about the best of Trendall-Campbell-Muir (themes from the serials that originated at WXYZ Detroit in the '40s): Finale from Rossini's Overture to William Tell (Lone Ranger), Rimsky-Korsakov's Flight of the BumbleBee (Green Hornat), Risnecek's Donna Diana Overture (Challenge of the Yukon). Talk about war horses! I've not heard one of those in weeks of listening to WCRB. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > On 1 Feb 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I > > believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so > > we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our > > world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. > > I haven't looked at the playlist, but I did turn off WCRB and listen > to the WCNH streaming, and I've been enjoying it. There have been > some operatic pieces that I didn't like, but they didn't last long, > and I'm enjoying most of what they're playing. I also like the > absence of loud intrusive commercials. This has the feel of the old > WBCN, and I like it. > > WCRB has been continuing its habit of playing the same stuff over and > over again, and lately I've been getting tired of hearing the first > movement to Beethoven's 6th symphony. So while I'm delighted not to > have to re-tune my radio several times a day, as I had to do at > 102.5, I think I'm going to give the radio a rest and listen to WCNH > for awhile. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 21:45:14 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:45:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <587003.76262.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty > for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by > watching extra > cautiously? Huh? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From francini@mac.com Fri Feb 2 00:21:25 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:21:25 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: I've been listening for the past three hours over the Net whilst doing some late-night work. From a peruse of their website, it appears they simply broadcast the Beethoven Satellite Network most of the week, with other stuff either locally produced or from WFMT on the weekends, and a local program at 19:00. The site also claims that they signed on three years ago. Even so, this appears to be a wider range of classical music than WCRB has been playing, without the ads. Highly listenable. Maybe not perfect, but certainly decent. j At 13:40 -0500 2/1/07, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: >Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to >bring classical music to his town. > >He started his own (legal) "LP" station. > >Seems to cover Concord very well! > >http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp > >In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it >was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist >appointment. ;-) > >Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? -- John Francini, francini@mac.com "The journey is more important than the destination-that's part of life. If you only live for getting to the end, you're almost always disappointed." -Donald Knuth From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Feb 2 01:07:46 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:07:46 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <17858.54578.428322.919658@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > From a peruse of their website, it appears they simply broadcast the > Beethoven Satellite Network most of the week, with other stuff either > locally produced or from WFMT on the weekends, and a local program at > 19:00. I remember Harry talking about the process of choosing a programming service, and he said that the WFMT people were great to work with. It's not actually satellite-delivered; he downloads the programs from Beethoven over a cable modem to the station's automation system. There was another service that he said was pretty unfriendly to LPFMs (don't remember which one it was and if I did I wouldn't want to break confidences). -GAWollman From tmw207@netzero.com Thu Feb 1 12:51:31 2007 From: tmw207@netzero.com (Terry Wood) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") References: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> Great comments. I think that the new commish over reacted to this, when one look could have told him that it weren't a bomb. Just a bomb of a promotion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Werme" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") > >From various notes on the topic > >> Of course, we now know it's a hoax. > >>No, we don't know it's a hoax; > >> but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > >> Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and >> one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to >> shreds. > >> ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia > > Personally, I think this was an ill-considered plan at best. The person > who reported the suspicious object did fine. I was in London once and saw > sign asking for such reports (back in IRA days). The initial response > may have been okay. I do think bomb squad people are too quick to blast > things with their water cannon, and this is one such case, but that > action was defensible. However, the actions and reactions since that > first event have turned into the theatre of the absurd. And why did the > bomb squad think it was a bomb? It could have been radiological or > biological > device in which case blowing it up would be the _worst_ thing to do. > > By the way, I got a Po 210 refill for my Staticmaster dust brush a few > days ago. $14.50 plus shipping from New York City. The instructions > include "Keep away from children or persons who are unable to observe > these > simple precautions." I bought a 35 mm slide scanner and boy, can it image > dust! Umm, where was I? Oh yeah, > > I drove my wife to the Manchester(/Boston) airport today and heard two > separate cost estimates - $1,000,000 and $750,000. These go along with > yesterday's $500,000, $600,000, and $700,000. I heard today's numbers on > WBZ, making this post related to Boston radio. So there! > > Turner may have gotten that much advertising, I suspect they should pay it > and move on. > > The people who were arrested perhaps should be charged for littering and > tried on Court TV. > > Had this been a Real Terrorst Attack, why oh why would these devices be > placed > in plain view? Unless the terrorist organization were all real idiots, > they'd > be planted on the _other_ side of beams or tucked between things (which > would > increase damage). > > These were not the size of car bombs, perhaps some high tech explosives > would cause some injuries, but there's no chance they'd take a bridge > down. During a coal mining strike when at was in college in Pittsburgh, > someone exploded a few sticks of dynamite at the base of a bridge. The > shockwave just reflected away from the concrete and nothing was damaged. > The people who shot a truck carrying dynamite on the PA Turnpike did > better, crater, killed truck driver and injured themselves. > > While I fully understand that the bomb squad is a bunch of trained > paranoiacs > and have no sense of humor, that's no excuse to abandon common sense. So > many things about the objects were wrong, I think deserve any criticism > they get for their reponse _after_ the first sign. > > Mayor Menino should be leaning on Turner Broadcasting for reimbursement, > but he should be saying "We will be talking with Turner and expect that > they will reimburse us for our costs" instead of taking the incensed > play-acting politician route. If he's not careful, someone might note > the character on the sign was a Mooninite and suggest that future shows > call their leader Mayor Moonino. Of course, I would never mention that. > > I might mention that the Mayor et al learn about "LED throwies" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwies There's a good chance that > inspired this advertising campaign. > > What else might the late-night comics say? This all seems way too > easy.... > > "What did Homeland Security know and when did they know it?" > (Some enterprising reporter found a web page with a headline like > "Who's putting signs on our Bridges," but Googling that didn't work.) > Aren't these people suppose to be on top of what's happening here? > > "Homeland security announces new post of Guerilla Marketing Czar." > That way, Turner and the marketing company could alert Homeland > Security about such plans. > > "Indecency complaints filed about obscene gesture by Mooninite." > I'm amazed at what the media has done with the middle finger "salute." > Some media pixelated it, I saw one shot with the full display, a cut > to a talking head, then a cut to a different scene with pixelation. > Good Morning America has one of the signs, but they cut out the LEDs > for the finger (assuming it really is a finger). That probably will > hurt resale value on Ebay.... The Union Leader, being a newspaper > simply cropped their photo, see > http://www.unionleader.com/uploads/media-items/2007/january/feb1boston_175px.jpg > Turner sells bumper stickers of the image and "Mayor Menino." > Turner could send him the proceeds as part of restitution. I suspect > we'll > be seeing a lot more of that LED image in the next few months. > > And, of course, "Banned in Boston" > > -Ric Werme > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 000709-2, 02/01/2007 > Tested on: 2/1/2007 12:45:19 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000709-2, 02/01/2007 Tested on: 2/1/2007 12:51:59 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 2 02:09:31 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:09:31 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C29D5B.3282.882EE1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2007 at 18:35, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, nobody can accuse WCRB of being very adventurous in its music > selection. I would be quite interested to know the total number of > selections in their rotation. A few weeks ago, I guessed at 40 total. I > think the number is actually a little higher, but not a lot. The article in last week's TAB says that the current management cut the number in half. > There are so > many thoroughly familiar selections in the limited genre of old war-horses > that they play, I can't imagine that that they'd turn off any of the > listeners with ultra-conservative taste to whom they seem to want to cater > were they to double, triple, or even quintuple the play-list. My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care if they recognize the selection being played. There are lots of Mozart and Haydn symphonies, and they all sound good. The classical audience doesn't want to hear the same three selections over and over. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 09:56:54 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:56:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Paul Hopfgarten wondered: > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) On my commute from north of Concord to Nashua, I could listen to WCNH from near home to the liquor store and WCRB from just north of the tolls to Nashua, though I usually wound up listening to WBZ and enjoy the traffic reports that didn't affect me. Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising than ad sales. They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. The map is pretty accurate, some hills between me and the transmitter make reception at home pretty problematic, though it's surprisingly good today). At the I93 interchange I usually use, Exit 17, near Boyce on the coverage map, reception is much better. Canterbury does pretty well, thanks to hills that partially block the 800 lb gorilla WHOM. I was an early donor and filed some reception reports during their testing. They went online in March 2004 with a reception at a Concord restaurant and remote broadcast, etc. I think the first piece played was Fanfare for a Common Man. (We were _not_ at the Common Man restaurant though.) I might be wrong, fuzzy memory. Ah, I'm right, see http://www.mediaaccess.org/programs/lpfm/ConcordMonitorLPFM.htm Joseph Pappalardo asked: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? Scott's reply summed things up pretty well. The early programming was from .mp3 files Harry ripped. He had and has some involvement with WEVO, and used some of their CDs. I don't think knew a lot about classical music before he started planning WCNH, but after deciding on a classical format, he's gotten fond of it. I'm not sure if it was signal problems or too-low sampling, but there were times driving through what should be good reception and the the fidelity was poor. Hard to describe, just hard to listen to. Sub-audible multi-path interference was about the best I could call it, but I'm not sure that exists mathematically. The tuner stayed in sync so it ought to have scrounged decent content. At any rate, carrying the BSN (Beethoven Satellite Network) from WFMT and Peter Van DeGraff was a good move. Fidelity is fine, at least on car radio quality receivers. The programming is a couple steps up from today's WCRB. If it gets too weird, I can fallback to WCRB or WBZ or oldies at WNNH. Meanwhile WCRB listeners fed up with yet another Dance Macabre can step up to WCNH. -Ric Werme From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 10:01:06 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:01:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. Message-ID: <20070202150106.597BB46753@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> See http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/ I can pass on anything you'd like. Like comments on WCRB's new channel or WCNH plans for the future. Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. -Ric Werme From hykker@grolen.com Fri Feb 2 10:14:06 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:14:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <48601.63.118.166.2.1170429246.squirrel@63.118.166.2> Ric Werme said... > They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their > coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space > with WEVO, NH Public Radio. Unless they've moved, this isn't entirely true. While their tx is in the same part of town as NHPR, they actually broadcast from a separate facility a half-mile or so away. From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 09:55:49 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Paul Hopfgarten wondered: > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) On my commute from north of Concord to Nashua, I could listen to WCNH from near home to the liquor store and WCRB from just north of the tolls to Nashua, though I usually wound up listening to WBZ and enjoy the traffic reports that didn't affect me. Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising than ad sales. They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. The map is pretty accurate, some hills between me and the transmitter make reception at home pretty problematic, though it's surprisingly good today). At the I93 interchange I usually use, Exit 17, near Boyce on the coverage map, reception is much better. Canterbury does pretty well, thanks to hills that partially block the 800 lb gorilla WHOM. I was an early donor and filed some reception reports during their testing. They went online in March 2004 with a reception at a Concord restaurant and remote broadcast, etc. I think the first piece played was Fanfare for a Common Man. (We were _not_ at the Common Man restaurant though.) I might be wrong, fuzzy memory. Ah, I'm right, see http://www.mediaaccess.org/programs/lpfm/ConcordMonitorLPFM.htm Joseph Pappalardo asked: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? Scott's reply summed things up pretty well. The early programming was from .mp3 files Harry ripped. He had and has some involvement with WEVO, and used some of their CDs. I don't think knew a lot about classical music before he started planning WCNH, but after deciding on a classical format, he's gotten fond of it. I'm not sure if it was signal problems or too-low sampling, but there were times driving through what should be good reception and the the fidelity was poor. Hard to describe, just hard to listen to. Sub-audible multi-path interference was about the best I could call it, but I'm not sure that exists mathematically. The tuner stayed in sync so it ought to have scrounged decent content. At any rate, carrying the BSN (Beethoven Satellite Network) from WFMT and Peter Van DeGraff was a good move. Fidelity is fine, at least on car radio quality receivers. The programming is a couple steps up from today's WCRB. If it gets too weird, I can fallback to WCRB or WBZ or oldies at WNNH. Meanwhile WCRB listeners fed up with yet another Dance Macabre can step up to WCNH. -Ric Werme From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 11:53:10 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. Message-ID: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I noted earlier: > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. -Ric Werme Hello, I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that meets LPFM separation requirements. So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. Harry Kozlowski WCNH-LP From 273482@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 02:34:15 2007 From: 273482@comcast.net (Maine Man) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:34:15 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <45C29D5B.3282.882EE1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care > if they recognize the selection being played. That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". There are the Glavinators.....and then there are the more pedestrian who enjoy classical radio. I am guessing there are more of the latter. Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 2 12:14:05 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:14:05 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. References: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c746ed$90c6f560$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Never is a very long time! As we've learned from WCRB, so is 99 years. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Werme" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. > I noted earlier: > > > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. > > It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. > I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time > to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! > > More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot > to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes > horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. > > -Ric Werme > > Hello, > > I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks > for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that > were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and > 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 > 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally > we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that > pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. > > We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we > created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord > transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also > contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of > it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and > have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs > automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is > our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's > technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality > classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the > way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! > > And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions > and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it > weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as > 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that > meets LPFM separation requirements. > > So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 > 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of > WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the > Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have > a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is > just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially > if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It > would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's > future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents > us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. > > Harry Kozlowski > WCNH-LP From me@billoneill.us Fri Feb 2 12:28:44 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:28:44 -0500 Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") In-Reply-To: <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> References: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> Message-ID: <45C374CC.40002@billoneill.us> Terry Wood wrote: > Great comments. I think that the new commish over reacted to this, > when one look could have told him that it weren't a bomb. Just a bomb > of a promotion. Ed Davis just moved into the big chair after a decent run as the Lowell Police Chief. I think he did what he had to do given the Light Bright Lunatics. Did you see those guys on the news talking about their hair? Small market. If any good can come of it, there was a solid mobilization effort. It's just good that no one got hurt in the process. I noticed that Fox News tapped Fox 25 while MSNBC captured WHDH. I was impressed with the whdh live stream. It was good to be connected, especially when no one knew the outcome. As for radio, it's another example of how stations like WRKO are rolling the dice that the absence of a proprietary news team will not play into the potential irrelevance of the medium as technologies move ahead. Bill O'Neill From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Feb 2 11:56:08 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:56:08 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <45C36D28.80707@friedbagels.com> >> They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at >> their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares >> antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. > >Unless they've moved, this isn't entirely true. While their tx is in >the same part of town as NHPR, they actually broadcast from a separate >facility a half-mile or so away. > I can't speak for facilities, but I know NHPR was at least informally helping WCNH wherever they could. There were many people still unhappy about NHPR's switch to all news/talk a few years back and I understand many of them were made happy when they learned about WCNH. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 2 13:02:46 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. In-Reply-To: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Re WCRB (and Harry's plan for Rhumba 99.5) how does the "99 year" plan play into this (Although the frequency swap sort of breaks the agreement anyways, no?) Paul Hopfgarten Derry, N H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ric Werme Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:53 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Cc: harry@wcnh.org Subject: Re: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. I noted earlier: > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. -Ric Werme Hello, I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that meets LPFM separation requirements. So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. Harry Kozlowski WCNH-LP From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 2 16:21:27 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:21:27 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202212128.37A991024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maine Man" <273482@comcast.net> >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:34:15 -0500 >That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". >There are the *Glavinators.....and then there are the more >pedestrian who enjoy classical radio. Or the audience for KING-FM. In the last three months (preactically) that WCRB was owned by Charles River, they got almost exactly the same rating 12-and-over as KING-FM while the latter was playing some lengthy works in full, recorded opera (the Met season hadn't started), 20th-Century music that WCRB would never play, and some vocal music not related to the December 25th holiday...pretty much how I would program such a station. BULLETIN BULLETIN they even scheduled a gigantic Bruckner Symphony (an Austrian composer not the clumsy ballpayer) that I would only run on a Sunday night from 9:00 to 10:30 NEVER on a weekday night! >Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. First of all...this came up on the radio-info.com/Boston board: the term "song" doesn't quite apply to classical music even relatively short pieces. Unbeknownst to many, composers of symphonies, concertos and operas DID in fact write songs, but the kind of station LEAST likely to play them is a very basic "classical favorites" outlet like WCRB or KDFC. Some pop radio stations will probably have "greatest love songs of all time" programming around February 14th; they will probably overlook Beethoven's "Dedicated to my loved one far away", Schubert's "Serenade" and Tchaikovsky's "None but the lonely heart". I may check KING-FM's playlist to see if THEY play some of these pieces. And as to hearing only what they already like...what's the cutoff point? *The "Saturday Night Live" guy who did that bit did not advance to a great post-SNL career. = Juicers at LivingRight.com Find quality appliances and health products at LivingRight.com. We carry name-brand juicers, grain mills, dehydrators, water purifiers, blenders, food processors, cookware, sprouters, etc. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=7c47caa808880c69903e5beb3dd41271 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 3 19:26:36 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:26:36 -0500 Subject: Eric Von Schmidt has died Message-ID: <20070204002437.75D5E5C022E@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> If you grew up here in the 60s, you may recall the folk boom, and all of the up and coming artists who performed in Boston and Cambridge clubs for cheap. One of them was Eric Von Schmidt, singer, songwriter, a talented musician whose songs were performed by Bob Dylan, Tom Rush, and many other folkies. He also jammed with Jim Kweskin and the Jug Band and sometimes sang with Maria Muldaur. Eric Von Schmidt battled cancer for several years, and finally succumbed yesterday, at age 75. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Feb 3 20:21:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: Eric Von Schmidt has died Message-ID: <20070204012156.5E67D49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >> Eric Von Schmidt battled cancer for several years, and finally succumbed yesterday, at age 75. I heard the news about Von Schmidt on the way back from Vermont today. I think he wrote or adapted "Wasn't That A Mighty Storm" which Tom Rush and Nanci Griffith covered. Think he was mentioned more than a few times in a book I have about the folk scene, Richie Unterberger's "Turn! Turn! Turn" From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 3 21:57:39 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:57:39 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th Message-ID: <005b01c74808$3d1011b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I happened to tune in to WLOB-FM in Portland at noon today (simulcasting WLOB-AM) and serendipitously discovered that WLOB was celebrating its 50th anniversary with a very nicely done special broadcast. The program included a tape of the first few minutes of WLOB's first broadcast on February 3, 1957. It included a letter from the then-governor, Edmund Muskie, and a surprisingly long recorded greeting from Senator Margaret Chase Smith, who evidenced no small knowledge of the broadcasting industry, especially in Maine. There were also interviews with Melvin Stone, the original station manager, and Howie Leonard, who was there at the beginning and is now a part-time newscaster at WOKQ in Dover/Portsmouth. WLOB was started as a mostly-music alternative to the two dominant network stations then in Portland, WGAN (CBS) and WCSH (NBC). In the '60s it became a very popular Top 40 station (one of few with that format that was a CBS affiliate in the mid- to late '60s), then later went with religious programming under Carter Broadcasting ownership, and is now a popular conservative talk station. The FM blankets virtually all of central and southern Maine. I didn't get to hear the whole broadcast, as I was on my way to a funeral. I'll find out Monday if CDs are going to be available. -Doug P.S.: Happy anniversary as well to WGY, which will be 85 tomorrow. Sadly, there's nothing in the website that makes mention of it. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 3 22:16:14 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:16:14 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th In-Reply-To: <005b01c74808$3d1011b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000001c7480a$d7776f30$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> J.J. Jeffrey owns WLOB. He is one of the few owners who would consider such history to be important. The current WLOB-FM has a much different history than WLOB. It was formerly WWMR Rumford before being bought by Carter Broadcasting. The current 97.9 WJBQ was the original WLOB-FM in the early 70's and there was later a WL)B-FM at 100.9, which is now WYNZ-FM. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 3 22:59:31 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:59:31 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th References: <000001c7480a$d7776f30$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <006701c74810$e03e3bc0$6501a8c0@pastor2> My goodness, the FM has a convoluted history! I can add more: The current WLOB-FM that was WWMR was WRUM-FM even before that. I remember that when I first came here in the mid-'70s it simulcast the parent AM, which was a real old-fashioned small-town full service station. (CBS affiliate.) I think Mel Stone may have owned WRUM at the time. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" To: "'Doug Drown'" ; "'Boston Radio Interest Board'" Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: RE: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th J.J. Jeffrey owns WLOB. He is one of the few owners who would consider such history to be important. The current WLOB-FM has a much different history than WLOB. It was formerly WWMR Rumford before being bought by Carter Broadcasting. The current 97.9 WJBQ was the original WLOB-FM in the early 70's and there was later a WL)B-FM at 100.9, which is now WYNZ-FM. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:00 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:00 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 9:55, Ric Werme wrote: > Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their > popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will > be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising > than ad sales. I've been enjoying listening to WCNH in my office, where I have a DSL line. At home, where I still have dialup, the streaming has constant drop-outs. So I've been listening to other classical stations online which don't have that problem. Right now I'm listening to Bayern 4 Klassic from Munich. I can't understand much of the announcements, but the music is great. In the past I've also listened to BBC Radio 3, but they seem to have changed the URL of their streaming, and I haven't gotten around to looking for them again. I've also listened to classical music on WFCR and CBC Radio 1. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:00 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:00 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <45C52200.17798.91E8CC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 2:34, Maine Man wrote: > > > My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care > > if they recognize the selection being played. > > That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". > > There are the Glavinators.....and then there are the more pedestrian who > enjoy classical radio. > > I am guessing there are more of the latter. > > Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. Classical music is not songs. All I know is that everyone I know who listens to WCRB remarks how annoying their repetitive playlist is. Classical radio is not pop radio, and what works for pop radio doesn't necessarily work for classical radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:01 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:01 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. In-Reply-To: <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <45C52201.9511.91EBA1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 13:02, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Re WCRB (and Harry's plan for Rhumba 99.5) how does the "99 year" plan play > into this (Although the frequency swap sort of breaks the agreement anyways, > no?) Probably. I've speculated here that they probably bought out anyone who had the power to enforce the terms of the Ted Jones Trust, and the sale to Nassau probably mollified anyone who had any qualms about taking the money. But since the Trust is no longer involved in the ownership of what is now WCRB, it has no effect unless the sale terms provided for it, which I doubt. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 4 11:58:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:58:02 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is probably NOT your dialup connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely the connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that serves your home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your present ISP when you get high-speed Internet service at home, the dropout problem is likely to persist. (I recommend keeping your present ISP when you switch to broadband because--although there are allegedly ways around the problem, for a an additional monthly fee--keeping your existing ISP should allow you to retain your present e-mail addresses. Changing your e-mail addresses can turn out to be EXTREMELY painful and the way around THOSE problems--as described to me by an IT guy--sounds, in my opinion, at best highly questionable because, as a practical matter, does anyone even attempt to keep track of everyone who needs to know their e-mail address?) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Ric Werme" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: RE: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > On 2 Feb 2007 at 9:55, Ric Werme wrote: > > > Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their > > popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will > > be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising > > than ad sales. > > I've been enjoying listening to WCNH in my office, where I have a DSL > line. At home, where I still have dialup, the streaming has constant > drop-outs. So I've been listening to other classical stations online > which don't have that problem. Right now I'm listening to Bayern 4 > Klassic from Munich. I can't understand much of the announcements, > but the music is great. In the past I've also listened to BBC Radio > 3, but they seem to have changed the URL of their streaming, and I > haven't gotten around to looking for them again. I've also listened > to classical music on WFCR and CBC Radio 1. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 4 12:20:58 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:20:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of > the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, > I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without > dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is > probably NOT your dialup connection. Maybe, maybe not. I haven't looked to see what WCNH is doing for streaming, but if you're trying to access a high-bandwidth stream on a slow connection, you can easily end up with buffering problems that will result in audio dropouts. In that scenario, upgrading to a faster connection at home will make everything better. As for keeping one's e-mail address, the easiest way is to buy your own domain name, as Messrs. Ross and Wollman can attest. It's incredibly inexpensive these days (I can't imagine paying much more than $10 a year), and that way you can change the underlying ISP as often as you want, while never changing the address you give out. I expect to be scott at fybush dot com for as long as our present naming conventions hold out. s From me@billoneill.us Sun Feb 4 13:58:58 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:58:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <45C62CF2.1060108@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > > As for keeping one's e-mail address, the easiest way is to buy your > own domain name, as Messrs. Ross and Wollman can attest. It's > incredibly inexpensive these days (I can't imagine paying much more > than $10 a year), and that way you can change the underlying ISP as > often as you want, while never changing the address you give out. I > expect to be scott at fybush dot com for as long as our present naming > conventions hold out. > > s I can't argue with that, either, although it can lead to occasional ribbing from fellow listers . billoneill.us From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Feb 4 18:02:13 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:02:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> As the Super Bowl starts, Ch 4 is launching its rumored rebranding. Those soft-pedaled call letters are back in a big way. CBS4? No way, it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) 4... From m1bz@hotmail.com Sun Feb 4 18:14:46 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:14:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The changeover (change back?) has been fitful and erratic. They've been calling the newscast CBS 4, but having reporters lock out with WBZ News or some such version. I wonder if they feared people would forget who they were had they dropped the CBS 4 name all at once back when the announcement was made? I hope you can see me chuckling... >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > >Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:02:13 -0500 > >As the Super Bowl starts, Ch 4 is launching its rumored rebranding. Those >soft-pedaled call letters are >back in a big way. CBS4? No way, it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) >4... > > _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. 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References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C52200.17798.91E8CC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> > All I know is that everyone I know who listens to WCRB remarks how > annoying their repetitive playlist is. Classical radio is not pop > radio, and what works for pop radio doesn't necessarily work for > classical radio. Well, the sucess of the present incarnation of WCRB has yet to be seen. However, WCRB (102.5) was considered one of the most sucessful Clasical stations in the country. The same factors that work for pop radio brought WCRB it's highest ratings ever. 102.5 enjoyed it's most sucessful years when it increased it's repetition and started playing shorter peices. 99.5 seems to be following the same recipe, albeit a little more "clunkily". From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 01:15:34 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:15:34 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <20070202212128.37A991024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00a701c74823$ee303360$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> Or the audience for KING-FM. In the last three months (preactically) that WCRB was owned by Charles River, they got almost exactly the same rating 12-and-over as KING-FM while the latter was playing some lengthy works in full, recorded opera << The exact same number 12+....but what were the demos? And what was the billing? I would guess that the 'shorter works' allows WCRB to air more commercials more effeciently, thereby providing more revenue. I am also going to guess that the WCRB formula provides for a younger demo than KING-FM, which again would result in more revenue. > >Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. >> First of all...this came up on the radio-info.com/Boston board: the term "song" doesn't quite apply to classical music even relatively short pieces. << And I suppose some people like "movies", while others like "film". The "film" lovers would tell you theres a big difference. ;-) >>And as to hearing only what they already like...what's the cutoff point? The cutoff point is where listership and profits go up! >>*The "Saturday Night Live" guy who did that bit did not advance to a great post-SNL career. << Never saw it.... From lglavin@mail.com Sun Feb 4 13:18:09 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:18:09 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "A. Joseph Ross" , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:15:34 -0500 >> >The exact same number 12+....but what were the demos? And what was the billing? The bostonradiowatch.com board reported last year that over the last two-or-so years of Charlesa River "management", WCRB's revenues plummeted from $8.4 to $7.5 million...radio in general was flat, especially in Boston which tumbled out of the top-10 markets...but still that mucho dinero. >I am also going to guess that the WCRB formula provides for a >younger demo than KING-FM, which again would result in more revenue. I'm glad you used the word 'guess" (were you at the same time wearing Guess Jeans?); on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" two weeks ago, in reaction to the Williamson turn WETA underwent, a composer/conductor named John Corigliano discussed introducing young people to "classical music" and he said unequivocally that modern music, such as Stravinsky (he gave the example of "Rite of Spring", a piece selected by Walt Disney for his movie, or film, "Fantasia"), Bartok, Prokofiev etc made a much greater impression than earlier music, Mozart, Bach, Haydn. = "Mini" Face Lift - San Francisco Dramatic results with less downtime, discomfort, cost. Board certified surgeon with 25 years experience, proven techniques. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=497230cc816ff8639f90c0142ef4ef51 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 1:08, Don A wrote: > Well, the sucess of the present incarnation of WCRB has yet to be seen. > > However, WCRB (102.5) was considered one of the most sucessful Clasical > stations in the country. Then why does the present management want to tamper with that success? > The same factors that work for pop radio brought WCRB it's highest ratings > ever. And as I've observed before, when I'm in my car and want classical music, I check WGBH, WHRB, and WCRB, and invariably WCRB is the station playing something I want to listen to. But that's not because they limit their playlist to playing the same ten items repeatedly, it's because they don't include a number of things that are unlistenable. WHRB apparently believes that it's their mission to play what nobody else does, which is fine, but there's a reason nobody else plays a lot of what they play. WGBH is somewhere in between and I seem to recall was greatly criticized a few years ago when they restricted their playlist to more listenable music. > 102.5 enjoyed it's most sucessful years when it increased it's repetition > and started playing shorter peices. And it also got a lot of listener complaints. They had a promo a few years ago touting their "listener line," in which they said that "you've told us you want to hear less repetition and whole symphonies, rather than excerpts." And they moderated the repetion and short pieces format a bit. > 99.5 seems to be following the same recipe, albeit a little more "clunkily". But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm tired of it. So instead I can turn my computer to any number of online channels which play something else. WCRB seems to obsess on certain pieces as if they're the current Number One Song, and play them until people get thoroughly sick of tiem. Then they finally take them out of rotation and turn to some other obsession. A number of years ago it was Beethoven's 8th that got the obsession treatment. Or the first movement, anyway. What I worry about is, if they drive away listeners with their pop format, will they decide to moderate the format or will they decide that there is no longer an audience for classical radio in Boston? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C67923.17954.B0614A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 11:58, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of > the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, > I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without > dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is > probably NOT your dialup connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely > the connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that serves your > home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your present ISP when you get > high-speed Internet service at home, the dropout problem is likely to > persist. (I recommend keeping your present ISP when you switch to broadband > because--although there are allegedly ways around the problem, for a an > additional monthly fee--keeping your existing ISP should allow you to retain > your present e-mail addresses. Changing your e-mail addresses can turn out > to be EXTREMELY painful and the way around THOSE problems--as described to > me by an IT guy--sounds, in my opinion, at best highly questionable because, > as a practical matter, does anyone even attempt to keep track of everyone > who needs to know their e-mail address?) I'm guessing that WCNH's stream is too fast for a dialup connection. Whenever I get around to switching to broadband at home, I am thinking of keeping my present ISP, but not because of the e-mail address. I have my own domain, which resides on a different server than either the dialup provider I have at home or the DSL provider I have at the office, so my address stays the same whatever I do. I want to keep the present company so that I can still use dialup if I'm on the road, since I still use an old laptop with a dialup modem on the road. And, my same ISP has gotten the contract to provide wireless in Brookline, so whenever I upgrade my laptop, I'll be able to use their service seamlessly. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, Message-ID: <45C67923.17957.B061DB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Michael E wrote: > I wonder if they feared people would forget who they were had they dropped > the CBS 4 name all at once back when the announcement was made? There is a definite advantage to the "CBS4" moniker. It helps some of us who still keep forgetting which channel is CBS and which is NBC. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C67923.30509.B06277@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 13:18, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I'm glad you used the word 'guess" (were you at the same time wearing > Guess Jeans?); on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" two weeks ago, in reaction > to the Williamson turn WETA underwent, a composer/conductor named > John Corigliano discussed introducing young people to "classical music" > and he said unequivocally that modern music, such as Stravinsky (he gave the > example of "Rite of Spring", a piece selected by Walt Disney for his > movie, or film, "Fantasia"), Bartok, Prokofiev etc made a much greater > impression than earlier music, Mozart, Bach, Haydn. Well, that certainly isn't what WCRB is playing. Or any of the classical stations, for that matter. I think part of the problem is the downgrading of music education in schools. I remember learning about the earlier composers in 8th grade music class and getting hooked on them then. But these things go in cycles. Baroque music (Bach, Handel, etc.) got very popular in the late 60s. Somehow it seemed to fit the style of the times, with fancy designs on dress shirts and ties, tie-died T- shirts, etc. And there were the "Switched-On Bach" albums that played Bach on a synthesizer and the "Baroque Beatles Book" that played Beatles music in Baroque style. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 09:41:44 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:41:44 -0500 Subject: Red Sox reruns on WRKO Message-ID: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Heard WRKO run a promo saying listeners are being asked to vote for their seven most favorite Red Sox games and these games will be rebroadcast starting Feb 19, in "prime time" (sorry Savage fans, though they'd prob. run him afterwards) more info http://www.wrko.com//customform.asp?id=19421&view=scheduled From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 09:51:17 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:51:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070205145117.DB73883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>There is a definite advantage to the "CBS4" moniker. It helps some of us who still keep forgetting which channel is CBS and which is NBC. The CBS eye is still there, though. The logo on their webpage has the W-B-Z blocks followed by the eye, and then "is always on wbztv.com". During the weather part of the news last night, I also noticed the Eye prominently displayed. ** So the CBS identity is still there at least visually. **--a memory: I forget who was being roasted, but one Dean Martin celebrity roast (NBC) was poking gentle fun at one CBS figure. After William S. Paley (IIRC) did his speech he turned around and a big huge CBS Eye was on the back of his suit, giving a plug to his network on "enemy territory" :) From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:36:02 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:36:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C74EE2.20001@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) 4... > > Brilliant. [cough] The Circle-K had to rank right up there with "Were 4...." File under: If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:38:22 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: Red Sox reruns on WRKO In-Reply-To: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C74F6E.2050102@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > Heard WRKO run a promo saying listeners are being asked to vote for their seven most favorite Red Sox > games and these games will be rebroadcast Makes one wonder what Jerry Williams would say about this programming decision. Good night, good luck to you. Bill O'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Feb 5 11:20:11 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:20:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? Message-ID: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I accidentally had my clock radio armed for 0545 Sunday and woke to the non-melodious strains of a sale pitch for some dietary supplement. I left it on and verified that the legal ID said WCRB and later found that they had not completely changed their format from oft-played classical shorts. >From their playlist archive, note 2 hour gap: 7:26 AM: STANLEY: Trumpet Voluntary, Opus 6 #5 (ens.; Burns, Stephen, trumpet) ASV Records DCA-528 5:26 AM: PUGNI: Pas de Quatre (finale #8) (Cincinnati Pops/Erich Kunzel) Telarc Records 80625 One half hour spot was from the local AGO (American Guild of Organists) which included a request for corporate sponsorship so that their 48 year presence on WCRB can continue. I guess they had a free ride until the new owners decided that wasn't paying the bills. I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Does anyone know what a half hour of early Sunday AM time sells for? Apparently I'm just behind the times, Google says there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pages referring to radio infomercial. Ah, only 720 if I quote it. A couple that might be worth following up: http://www.radioinfomercial.com/ This goes to a lame AOL hosted page. http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/the_media.htm This page is at least entertaining. Fellow is incensed about a live sales pitch while stuck in traffic and goes to the radio station and buys time for his infomercials. Or something like that. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:41:56 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:41:56 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like > Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm > tired of it. Sounds like TSL is not what they're going for. Maybe they should drop the towel and start jingling on the quarters. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 12:49:15 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:49:15 -0500 Subject: More WCUW problems Message-ID: <20070205174924.122D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://wormtown.org/article.php?story=20070129165812279 More problems at WCUW; while the emergency fundraised helped them to get on the air again last Thu., they were unable to get on the air today so more repairs or a replacement for it are needed, plus they got a $1,500 electric bill...The transmitter problems could be due to icing at the transmitter site. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 13:03:50 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:03:50 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: > > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" , > , > "Garrett Wollman" > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:58:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > > I believe that if you can receive other classical music > streams without dropouts on your home dialup connection, > your dropout problem at home is probably NOT your dialup > connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely the > connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that > serves your home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your > present ISP when you get high-speed Internet service at > home, the dropout problem is likely to persist. That's not necessarily true. It may depend on whether WCNH may be streaming at a higher bitrate than your dial-up can allow through, which would explain why you can listen to the same stream on a broadband connection at work but not at home. The higher the streaming bitrate, the better the audio fidelity. However, the bandwidth of the connection limits its ability to process the higher bitrates depending on its capacity in relation to the bitrate of the stream. Picture a dial-up connection as a very narrow "bottleneck" in which digital information (the program you're listening to) must pass through to reach your home computer. Picture your broadband connection at work as a much larger portal. The higher the bitrate of the stream, the more information must be able to pass through the connection at any given moment. Much more information can pass through broadband than dial-up at any given moment. The same amount of information that can pass through the larger broadband connection at your work may not be able to pass through your home dial-up "bottleneck" without exceeding the capacity that it is able to allow through, creating digital "logjams", which manifest as dropouts. Dial-up connections, which are at most 56kbps, can not consistently process streams that are larger than that amount (and often have problems with some that may be a little under that amount as well) because they're simply too narrow to allow all that information through without "jamming up" and dropping out. You could ask WCNH at what bitrate they stream. If it is a larger amount than (or approaching) 56kbps, then that's your problem at home, and a broadband connection (even with the same ISP) will most likely solve it. Some stations offer different streams of the same program material at different bitrates to accommodate users with different types of connections. WMBR at MIT offers three different streams. They offer a full-fidelity stream at 128kbps which requires a high-speed broadband connection, plus a medium speed, medium fidelity stream at 64kbps which still requires broadband but will work with slower DSL services, etc... And finally, a 24kbps stream which has obviously muddy fidelity due to the limitations of audio streaming at that rate, but it allows WMBR to at be heard on the slowest dial-up connections anywhere. Stations that do all that are the exception, though. EP From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Feb 5 13:09:59 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:09:59 -0500 Subject: Presentation: "The History of Broadcast Radio" Message-ID: I thought this might be of interest to some of the people here: > >Marc Fisher, of the Washington Post, will be speaking in Andover on >Thursday, February 8, 2007 at 7:00 p.m at the Massachusetts School >of Law. The subject of Fisher's presentation will be the history of >broadcast radio based on his new book Radio, Rock and the Revolution >that Shaped a Generation . Fisher writes "The Listener," a radio >column in Post's Sunday Arts section. > >Ham Operators like Todd Storz, W9DYG, were instrumental in keeping >broadcast radio alive when television was rapidly expanding, >according to Fisher. New technology would not wipe out an old media >and radio survived, ultimately changing itself and the nation. For >radio aficionados this book is a must read. > >The event is free and open to the public. > >For more information on the book visit: >www.marcfisher.com > >For more information on the event contact: > >Jeff Demers, N1SNB >Massachusetts School of Law >500 Federal Street >Andover, MA >01810 >demers@mslaw.edu > >The event will take place at the 500 Federal Street address. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 13:01:12 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:01:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? In-Reply-To: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31390.12.37.144.130.1170698472.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 11:20, Ric Werme wrote: > I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Wow. That's amazing. Here in New York, infomercials on the radio are a BIG thing, since it's easy cash for radio stations. Among the local stations that do them, on weekend daytimes and nighttimes: WMCA-AM 57, WOR-710, WABC-77, WWDJ-97, WWRL-16, WADO-1280, WFNY-FM 92.3 and WPAT-FM 93.1 Note that I only listed stations that do normal talk programming (news or religious, in the case of WMCA and WWDJ). Then there are the leased-access stations that rent out their airtime 24/7 and you will find some infomercial programming in various languages, including English, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Korean...: WSNR-62, WPAT-AM 93, WKDM-1380, WZRC-1480, WWRU-1660. Instead of carrying the Friday night/Saturday morning Coast-to-Coast AM show, WABC does informercial programming on Friday nights starting at 1 a.m. On weekends, the infomercials on WABC sometimes run into Art Bell's show by a half hour and sometimes even an hour. This usually happens when sports programming pre-empts the infomercials. Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 14:57:45 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:57:45 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it.<< Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, heritage or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV stations' call sign for anything? CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 15:10:19 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:10:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 14:57, Sid Schweiger wrote: > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. Yup. Heck, most people just call it "Channel 4" or "Channel 56" or whatever. Or maybe, MAYBE, CBS/CW/Fox, etc. I've never heard of anyone call a TV station "ABC 7" or "CW-11" or "Univision 41". It's always just "flip on Channel 41". stephanie From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 15:17:57 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:17:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <17863.37109.796350.115252@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've never heard of anyone call a TV station "ABC 7" or "CW-11" or > "Univision 41". It's always just "flip on Channel 41". Unless they have RCN, in which case it's "canal 6". -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 5 15:20:58 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:20:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding References: Message-ID: <000201c74963$2bf27b50$c5a24c0c@SatU205S5044> If it was such great branding, there should have been a bump in their ratings when they re-branded as CBS4. Maybe there was such a bump, but if so, I don't remember hearing about it. Did you hear about it? How long after the re-branding was the effect noticeable. When did the bump occur? Or maybe the great branding was just theoretically great branding. I don't understand why they didn't re-re-brand as CBS4 WBZ-TV. I do not think that is too long for the public to remember or deal with. As far as the public is concerned CBS is not three letters, it's one brand. And similarly, WBZ-TV is not five letters and a hyphen, it's one brand. The public can handle the idea of two brands for one station. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding >>>If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that > you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it.<< > > Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, > heritage > or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the > broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV > stations' call sign for anything? > > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it > alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses > television. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 15:22:51 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:22:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17863.37403.955955.370099@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, heritage > or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the > broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV > stations' call sign for anything? I don't think the actual call sign of channel 4 is at all relevant to this exercise. It's about branding and synergy; if you own the market for (commercial) radio news in town under the brand "WBZ", it's just plain common sense to brand your television news likewise. If done well, the two media can reinforce each other. If done poorly, of course, each one can drag the other down. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 15:24:55 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:24:55 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>"Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... And localism is one of their strengths.<< Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. No average viewer associates a call sign with a local newscast. It's been "NewsCenter 5" for several decades now, and viewers don't seem to have any trouble finding it, if that's their preference. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 15:49:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:49:20 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>If it was such great branding, there should have been a bump in their ratings when they re-branded as CBS4. Maybe there was such a bump, but if so, I don't remember hearing about it. Did you hear about it? How long after the re-branding was the effect noticeable. When did the bump occur? Or maybe the great branding was just theoretically great branding. I don't understand why they didn't re-re-brand as CBS4 WBZ-TV. I do not think that is too long for the public to remember or deal with. As far as the public is concerned CBS is not three letters, it's one brand. And similarly, WBZ-TV is not five letters and a hyphen, it's one brand. The public can handle the idea of two brands for one station.<< No, there should not have been any bump in the ratings after a brand change. Branding matters not at all to viewers who already know where to find their favorite programs. To those who don't, the brand CBS matters much more than the brand WBZ-TV. "Just tell me what channel number the CBS programs are on, and that's all I need." That's what the average viewer is after. "'Desperate Housewives' is on channel 5? I'll switch to that." "'Law & Order' is on WHDH-TV? What channel number is that?" TV remotes don't have a means of inputting a call sign...only channel numbers. Ever see a TV magazine or online TV listings? It's the network name and channel number (sometimes just the channel number alone), and the call signs are either listed elsewhere or not at all. Call signs, even in radio, have been largely irrelevant for years. There are so many other ways of branding a station that are much more effective and last much longer in viewers' or listeners' memories. The US is, as far as I know, the ONLY large country left which insists on legal IDs with the assigned call sign once per hour. All those other countries seem to do just fine without them. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 15:49:52 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:49:52 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C79870.8050600@billoneill.us> Sid Schweiger wrote: > Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, heritage > or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the > broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV > stations' call sign for anything? > Please and thank you. It's not about calls in general. It's about how the WBZ calls are, indeed, superior branding in this instance. To discount calls as a pure geek-thing (not that there is anything wrong with that) is dismissive of, well, smart stuff. > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. > > Dead-on. Apply directly to your ratings diary. Dead-on. Apply directly to your ra.... Oh, that didn't happen in this case? Who knew? Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 15:59:01 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:59:01 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C79A95.2020300@billoneill.us> Sid Schweiger wrote: > Call signs, even in radio, have been largely irrelevant for years. Then, a signature.... > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM Define irony? [g] [ducking] Bill O'Neill WFON (initials, not calls) From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 16:04:43 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:04:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20776.12.37.144.130.1170709483.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 15:49, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The > US is, as far as I know, the ONLY large country left which insists on > legal IDs with the assigned call sign once per hour. All those other > countries seem to do just fine without them. Mexico also requires legal IDs at the top of the hour. At least that's what I assume from the Mexican stations that I've tuned in over the air and listened to on the Intarw3bz. steph From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 16:06:13 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <17863.37109.796350.115252@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <17863.37109.796350.115252@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <23725.12.37.144.130.1170709573.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 15:17, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Unless they have RCN, in which case it's "canal 6". Yeah, but I was thinking of the network's repeater here in metro New York: WXTV-Paterson, NJ. UHF 41. :o) From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 16:14:38 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:14:38 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <23725.12.37.144.130.1170709573.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <17863.37109.796350.115252@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <23725.12.37.144.130.1170709573.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <17863.40510.318812.796518@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On Mon, February 5, 2007 15:17, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Unless they have RCN, in which case it's "canal 6". > Yeah, but I was thinking of the network's repeater here in metro New York: > WXTV-Paterson, NJ. UHF 41. So was I. RCN carries it on channel 6. (TWC-Manhattan seems to have it on channel 41, and all the other local U's on corresponding channels, which rather surprises me. Most systems AIUI put all the broadcast-basic channels in the bottom 25 channels or so, as Comcast does here in Boston.) -GAWollman From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 01:39:18 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:39:18 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <007001c748f0$848b96c0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> Well, the sucess of the present incarnation of WCRB has yet to be seen. >> >> However, WCRB (102.5) was considered one of the most sucessful Clasical >> stations in the country. > > Then why does the present management want to tamper with that > success? I assume thee current management/owners think they are doing the same thing as WCRB...but they appear to be executing it pretty poorly. Rotating the favorite peices of music effeciently (so you are playing the 'favorites' a lot, and not burning out your listeners is something programmers strive to do. 99.5 appears to be afiling in this.) >> 102.5 enjoyed it's most sucessful years when it increased it's repetition >> and started playing shorter peices. > > And it also got a lot of listener complaints. They had a promo a few > years ago touting their "listener line," in which they said that > "you've told us you want to hear less repetition and whole > symphonies, rather than excerpts." And they moderated the repetion > and short pieces format a bit. If the money is rolling in, one finds it easier to deal with complaints. ;-) >> 99.5 seems to be following the same recipe, albeit a little more >> "clunkily". > > But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like > Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm > tired of it. So instead I can turn my computer to any number of > online channels which play something else. It seems you are an all day listener. Most are not. From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 01:39:27 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:39:27 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <007301c748f0$85013bf0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> > The bostonradiowatch.com board reported last year that over the last > two-or-so years of Charlesa River "management", WCRB's revenues > plummeted from $8.4 to $7.5 million...radio in general was > flat, especially in Boston which tumbled out of the top-10 > markets...but still that mucho dinero. Boston market revenue is down, and most (if not all) stations reported a decrease in revenue. >>I am also going to guess that the WCRB formula provides for a >>younger demo than KING-FM, which again would result in more revenue. > > I'm glad you used the word 'guess" (were you at the same time wearing > Guess Jeans?); on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" two weeks ago, in reaction > to the Williamson turn WETA underwent, a composer/conductor named > John Corigliano discussed introducing young people to "classical music" > and he said unequivocally that modern music, such as Stravinsky (he gave > the > example of "Rite of Spring", a piece selected by Walt Disney for his > movie, or film, "Fantasia"), Bartok, Prokofiev etc made a much greater > impression than earlier music, Mozart, Bach, Haydn. Besides the composers, younger working people have much more hectic lives, and take their music is smaller 'bites', shorter attention spans, etc. It's usually the older demo that has time to listen to longer peices. From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 14:29:36 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? References: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <31390.12.37.144.130.1170698472.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <001301c7495b$fccdb620$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. > > Wow. That's amazing. Here in New York, infomercials on the radio are a > BIG thing, since it's easy cash for radio stations. Anyone have an idea what major market stations can get for a half-hour or an hour....after midnight or pre-6am? Even in a major market, how many people are listening at that hour....and how many of them would sit/listen to an informercial...and how many would pick up the phone to BUY the product????? From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 15:03:49 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:03:49 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding References: Message-ID: <004301c74960$dd20f080$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. "Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... And localism is one of their strengths. From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 15:32:42 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:32:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding References: Message-ID: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> >>>"Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... > > And localism is one of their strengths.<< > > Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. Most is right....Unless the call sign has a history...and a reputation..and goodwill. And WBZ has that.... From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 16:39:32 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:39:32 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>> Unless they have RCN, in which case it's "canal 6". Yeah, but I was thinking of the network's repeater here in metro New York: WXTV-Paterson, NJ. UHF 41.<< ...which, in the world of digital TV, is all irrelevant anyhow. Channel numbers can be reprogrammed in the software, so that even the HD channel for a certain TV station can show up as their old analog channel, if they so desire. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 16:49:27 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17863.42599.911067.922909@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > ...which, in the world of digital TV, is all irrelevant anyhow. > Channel numbers can be reprogrammed in the software, so that even the HD > channel for a certain TV station can show up as their old analog > channel, if they so desire. I believe the latest word from the FCC is not "if they so desire" but rather "as the FCC requires". Last time this came up, Scott said that the FCC's current rules for PSIP implementation by DTVs require the use of the analogue channel number. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Feb 5 19:23:27 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:23:27 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: <45C7CA7F.3000208@ttlc.net> Does this portend the creation of a Pirate Radio Lobby? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Herewith a paraphrase of a short squib from All Access which was paraphrased from Nevada's esteemed Pahrump Valley Times: The FCC, along with pressure from Senate Majority Leader HARRY REID, is allowing a pirate station in GOLDFIELD, NV to operate with Special Temporary Authority until it can apply for an LPFM license in the next filing window. The station was raided and shut down on June 9th, 2006 - on January 29th was granted an STA allowing it to move from 100.3 to 106.3 FM at 100 watts. In the letter, the Commission cites Sec. 309(f) of the Communications Act of 1934 to allow STAs in "extraordinary circumstances requiring temporary authorizations in the public interest." The Commission's actions were prompted by Sen. REID, who wrote in support of the station's programming. From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 19:35:28 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:35:28 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? In-Reply-To: <45C7CA7F.3000208@ttlc.net> References: <45C7CA7F.3000208@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <45C7CD50.1040807@billoneill.us> Roger Kirk wrote: > The FCC, along with pressure from Senate Majority Leader HARRY REID, > is allowing a pirate station in GOLDFIELD, NV to operate with Special > Temporary Authority until it can apply for an LPFM license in the next > filing window. > What's this, Fed's parity with, say, immigration practices? Or, It makes little sense that a "pirate" would be granted STA unless there are special circumstances, e.g., legitimate filing issues and failure to follow protocol. Bill O'Neill From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Feb 5 22:17:55 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:17:55 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? References: <45C7CA7F.3000208@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001601c7499d$65c5bf60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "Special Temporary Authority until it can apply for an LPFM license in the next filing window." That will be when hell freezes over ;-) Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? > Does this portend the creation of a Pirate Radio Lobby? > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Herewith a paraphrase of a short squib from All Access which was > paraphrased from Nevada's esteemed Pahrump Valley Times: > > The FCC, along with pressure from Senate Majority Leader HARRY REID, is > allowing a pirate station in GOLDFIELD, NV to operate with Special > Temporary Authority until it can apply for an LPFM license in the next > filing window. > > The station was raided and shut down on June 9th, 2006 - on January 29th > was granted an STA allowing it to move from 100.3 to 106.3 FM at 100 watts. > > In the letter, the Commission cites Sec. 309(f) of the Communications > Act of 1934 to allow STAs in "extraordinary circumstances requiring > temporary authorizations in the public interest." > > The Commission's actions were prompted by Sen. REID, who wrote in > support of the station's programming. > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 6 00:44:02 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:44:02 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com>, <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Feb 2007 at 10:41, Bill O'Neill wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like > > Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm > > tired of it. > > Sounds like TSL is not what they're going for. Maybe they should drop > the towel and start jingling on the quarters. TSL? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 6 03:45:34 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:45:34 -0500 Subject: did any of you cover the Brinks robbery Message-ID: <20070206084338.490DD5C0434@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> I have asked this on a couple of other lists, so forgive the repetition. I am helping a friend of mine who is writing a new book. Some of you may know her-- her name is Stephanie Schorrow and she formerly wrote for the Herald as well as writing several books about Boston fires and firefighting. Now she is writing a book about the 1950 Brinks robbery and the 1956 trial. She wants to explore how the media of that day covered the story, so I have been tracking down people who were around at that time. Do any of you know any radio, TV or print reporters or news photographers who might still be alive? Let me know if anybody comes to mind-- our old friend Bill Buchanan, now retired and living in Florida but formerly with the Globe (and the Record before that) covered the trial -- he and I are sure there must be other folks who were in media at that time, or who may have some recollections that would be useful. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 6 05:32:33 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:32:33 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com>, <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45C85941.4070106@ttlc.net> Time Spent Listening A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5 Feb 2007 at 10:41, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >>> But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like >>> Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm >>> tired of it. >> Sounds like TSL is not what they're going for. Maybe they should drop >> the towel and start jingling on the quarters. > > TSL? > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Feb 6 06:48:54 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:48:54 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <005e01c749e4$c7817630$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Time spent listening... Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:44 AM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: Don A; bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. On 5 Feb 2007 at 10:41, Bill O'Neill wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like > > Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm > > tired of it. > > Sounds like TSL is not what they're going for. Maybe they should drop > the towel and start jingling on the quarters. TSL? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 6 10:07:57 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:07:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> Don A wrote: > > > >>>> "Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... >> >> And localism is one of their strengths.<< >> >> Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. > > Most is right....Unless the call sign has a history...and a > reputation..and goodwill. > > And WBZ has that.... As I grew up, in a non-radio geek houselhold, we listened to WBZ or WHDH not 1030 or 850. Interestingly, when it came to TV and someone asked what channel something was on, it was WBZ or channel 5 or 7 (pre-cable days). Channel 4 was always referred to as WBZ. The others were just channel numbers. I still miss hearing (or seeing) "A Group W station" at the end of the ID, though, ironicly it was years before I new what the hell "Group W" was. I still automatically think of NBC as channel 4 then correct myself. Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic job of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. Its unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it into yet another generic channel. Just my thoughts. Brian Vita From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 6 10:17:31 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:17:31 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C89C0B.1090005@cssinc.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > > ...which, in the world of digital TV, is all irrelevant anyhow. > Channel numbers can be reprogrammed in the software, so that even the HD > channel for a certain TV station can show up as their old analog > channel, if they so desire. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > That arguement would seem to make calls more important. Since channel 4 might not be channel 4 anymore, it would make more sense to refer to it as WBZ. Why brand it as channel 4 if it shows up as channel 804 on your cable system (in HD). Also, if they are adding sub channels (ie 5-1, 5-2, etc.) Wouldn't it make more sense to use the calls. What about the case of the SuperStations (ie WTBS) that we had years ago. If they promoted themselves as "channel 17", would that make sense on your cable box? We know the cable/satellite networks by name (ie MTV, HBO, TNT). The calls are pretty much the same, aren't they? As cable/satellite numbers get more confusing, you'll remember when you go to a friend's house in a neighboring town (on a different system) that you want to watch something on WHDH. Now the trick is to find out where the hell WHDH is on their system! Brian Vita From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 6 10:45:43 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:45:43 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070206154545.9E48983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Brian wrote: >>That arguement would seem to make calls more important. Since channel 4 might not be channel 4 anymore, it would make more sense to refer to it as WBZ. Why brand it as channel 4 if it shows up as channel 804 on your cable system (in HD). Yes. I was thinking that last night during my break at work; the TV in the lunch room at the post office is currently tuned to WBZ-4. For a long time, it was on CNN and we weren't supposed to change the channel (you'd have to get a ladder to reach the controls anyway) but obviously _someone_ changed it so those working the other night could see the Super Bowl during their breaks. And it remained on Ch. 4. I thought, well, actually this is good because I'd like to see the 11 pm newscast for local stuff! Anyway, there were those blocks of W-B-Z in the lower right hand corner and I thought about this subject. For one thing, "WBZ" can be associated with its sister news station: when you think news, think 'WBZ'. Also, if I want a national news story, I know I tune to "Ch. 42". Or "Ch. 53" Oops, I meant I tune to "CNN". Or "MSNBC". Or "Ch. 41". Oops, I mean FoxNews. And yes, for sports, I just love Ch 49 or Ch 50. Oops, I mean ESPN and ESPN-2. Different channels are in different places on cable systems and wherever you live, you eventually memorize what is where. For all I know, you may have ESPN on Ch. 12 where you are. So people think BOTH "WBZ" and "Ch 4...or maybe they will after the rebranding. >>What about the case of the SuperStations (ie WTBS) that we had years ago. If they promoted themselves as "channel 17", would that make sense on your cable box? I would think of "WWOR", "WGN", or "WPIX" as their identifiers (and would kind of remember what the channel positions are on my cable). How about the various cable systems that carry Ch. 38, even up into other parts of the Northeast and Canada. The TV listings in the paper up there identify it as "WSBK" for the most part... >>We know the cable/satellite networks by name (ie MTV, HBO, TNT). The calls are pretty much the same, aren't they? As cable/satellite numbers get more confusing, you'll remember when you go to a friend's house in a neighboring town (on a different system) that you want to watch something on WHDH. Now the trick is to find out where the hell WHDH is on their system! From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 6 10:48:04 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:48:04 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070206154811.E337F83987@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic job of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. Its unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it into yet another generic channel. Good thing they didn't do it on the radio side too: "You're listening to the Steve Leveille show on CBS-1030" From sid@wrko.com Tue Feb 6 11:05:26 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:05:26 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>That arguement would seem to make calls more important. Since channel 4 might not be channel 4 anymore, it would make more sense to refer to it as WBZ.<< No, you missed the point. It will *always* be channel 4 to the end user, even if it's not transmitting on that channel. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Tue Feb 6 11:45:02 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:45:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <45C8B08E.1060003@billoneill.us> Brian Vita wrote: > Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic > job of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. > Its unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it > into yet another generic channel. > > Just my thoughts. You nailed it in the sense that WBZ just happens to be an exception. I am sure that there are other markets where calls may dominate identity over dial position, but not too many. Unfortunately, boilerplate approaches to imaging or marketing is par for the course when local control over such matters is diminished. Multi-market corporations can still choose to strike the local branding balance but it's harder to do. Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Feb 6 11:06:03 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:06:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <015601c74a08$b449aeb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> My relatives in Schenectady --- including my 22-year-old cousin-removed, who is anything but a broadcasting geek --- still refer to "CBS6" as WRGB. Heritage calls do make a difference. I remember cringing when, in the early '70s, WMEX rechristened itself "X-15." I thought, "And the point of this is . . . ?" -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Don A" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding > Don A wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> "Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... > >> > >> And localism is one of their strengths.<< > >> > >> Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. > > > > Most is right....Unless the call sign has a history...and a > > reputation..and goodwill. > > > > And WBZ has that.... > As I grew up, in a non-radio geek houselhold, we listened to WBZ or WHDH > not 1030 or 850. Interestingly, when it came to TV and someone asked > what channel something was on, it was WBZ or channel 5 or 7 (pre-cable > days). Channel 4 was always referred to as WBZ. The others were just > channel numbers. I still miss hearing (or seeing) "A Group W station" > at the end of the ID, though, ironicly it was years before I new what > the hell "Group W" was. I still automatically think of NBC as channel 4 > then correct myself. > > Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic job > of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. Its > unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it into > yet another generic channel. > > Just my thoughts. > > Brian Vita > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Feb 6 12:00:34 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:00:34 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <015601c74a08$b449aeb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <00bd01c74a10$514b73e0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> I liked the X-15 Air Force (Of course I was 13 years old at the time) Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: Brian Vita; Don A Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding My relatives in Schenectady --- including my 22-year-old cousin-removed, who is anything but a broadcasting geek --- still refer to "CBS6" as WRGB. Heritage calls do make a difference. I remember cringing when, in the early '70s, WMEX rechristened itself "X-15." I thought, "And the point of this is . . . ?" -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Don A" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding > Don A wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> "Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... > >> > >> And localism is one of their strengths.<< > >> > >> Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. > > > > Most is right....Unless the call sign has a history...and a > > reputation..and goodwill. > > > > And WBZ has that.... > As I grew up, in a non-radio geek houselhold, we listened to WBZ or WHDH > not 1030 or 850. Interestingly, when it came to TV and someone asked > what channel something was on, it was WBZ or channel 5 or 7 (pre-cable > days). Channel 4 was always referred to as WBZ. The others were just > channel numbers. I still miss hearing (or seeing) "A Group W station" > at the end of the ID, though, ironicly it was years before I new what > the hell "Group W" was. I still automatically think of NBC as channel 4 > then correct myself. > > Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic job > of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. Its > unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it into > yet another generic channel. > > Just my thoughts. > > Brian Vita > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Feb 6 12:01:46 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:01:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <015601c74a08$b449aeb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <00be01c74a10$7dac1430$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> I also liked the "Electronic Mama" Stereo 105 (for WKOX-FM into WVBF) Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: Brian Vita; Don A Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding My relatives in Schenectady --- including my 22-year-old cousin-removed, who is anything but a broadcasting geek --- still refer to "CBS6" as WRGB. Heritage calls do make a difference. I remember cringing when, in the early '70s, WMEX rechristened itself "X-15." I thought, "And the point of this is . . . ?" -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Don A" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding > Don A wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> "Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... > >> > >> And localism is one of their strengths.<< > >> > >> Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. > > > > Most is right....Unless the call sign has a history...and a > > reputation..and goodwill. > > > > And WBZ has that.... > As I grew up, in a non-radio geek houselhold, we listened to WBZ or WHDH > not 1030 or 850. Interestingly, when it came to TV and someone asked > what channel something was on, it was WBZ or channel 5 or 7 (pre-cable > days). Channel 4 was always referred to as WBZ. The others were just > channel numbers. I still miss hearing (or seeing) "A Group W station" > at the end of the ID, though, ironicly it was years before I new what > the hell "Group W" was. I still automatically think of NBC as channel 4 > then correct myself. > > Its interesting that in the 60's and 70's, WBZ did such a fantastic job > of branding itself that it still sticks with me 40 years later. Its > unfortunate that some 20 something MBA felt the need to rebrand it into > yet another generic channel. > > Just my thoughts. > > Brian Vita > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Feb 6 12:36:13 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:36:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <45C8B08E.1060003@billoneill.us> References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> <45C8B08E.1060003@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <17864.48269.145584.848365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Unfortunately, boilerplate approaches to imaging or marketing is par > for the course when local control over such matters is diminished. > Multi-market corporations can still choose to strike the local > branding balance but it's harder to do. Hearst-Argyle has certainly done it very successfully, but with logos and channel numbers rather than names. Even though they have slapped down the same national graphics and music packages pretty much everywhere (to say nothing of those horrible IBS[1] Web sites), they have been sufficiently smart to leave the stations' heritage identities alone. WCVB has had that "5" logo though four owners and thirty-four years. A kelly-green box with a white 3 in it is immediately recognizable as KCRA. WBAL is always and reassuringly WBAL, whether "radio 11" or channel 11. -GAWollman [1] IBS here officially stands for "Internet Broadcasting System" but "Irritable Bowel Syndrome" seems no less accurate to me. From me@billoneill.us Tue Feb 6 11:57:40 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:57:40 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com>, <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> <45C7CF52.32429.52A890@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45C8B384.5020208@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > TSL? > > Not the talker in the Upper Valley. Time spent listening. I think I used that in the context (somewhat sarcastically) that some stations like to see good numbers in the measure of listeners who hang in there for a long time at one encounter with the station. Otherwise, one may be looking at the "quarter hours" and how many listen in quick, discreet, blocks of time. Hence, the jingle reference, to old top-40 stations who would be sure to "sweep the quarters" by not stopping to talk or break at :14 after when you could do it at :18 or :19. In the ratings book, if a listener listens across that quarter into the next, they (could) count as two people , and so on. At the old WSSH, they were extremely successful with numbers with the "40 minute music sweep" which started at :55 and ended at :35, sweeping all of the big quarters (:45 being the least popular statistically). Then, there would be three stop sets of three spots each all wrapped up by :55. WINS' "Give us 22 minutes we'll give you the world" is a well tested scheme to drag the listener across the "quarter" into the next, thereby creating synergy with the numbers. OTOH, a long-form format like classical is less likely to be interested in such methods and work "to keep you listening longer..." Bill O'Neill From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Feb 6 13:02:06 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <17864.48269.145584.848365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> <45C8B08E.1060003@billoneill.us> <17864.48269.145584.848365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <56044.12.37.144.130.1170784926.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Tue, February 6, 2007 12:36, Garrett Wollman wrote: > WBAL is always and reassuringly > WBAL, whether "radio 11" or channel 11. Of course, for a few years now, WBAL is now "AM 1090" instead of just "Radio 11" like they did in the mid 1990s when I listened to them. http://www.wbal.com/ww steph From hykker@grolen.com Tue Feb 6 13:41:45 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:41:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <015601c74a08$b449aeb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <009f01c74964$ceb27e70$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C899CD.60005@cssinc.com> <015601c74a08$b449aeb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <25482.63.118.166.2.1170787305.squirrel@63.118.166.2> "Doug Drown" wrote... > Heritage calls do make a difference. I remember cringing when, in the > early > '70s, WMEX rechristened itself "X-15." I thought, "And the point of this > is > . . . ?" Sometimes heritage works against you when you're trying to appear fresh and hip. I'm sure WMEX went with the "X-15" handle to jump on the Q-format bandwagon which was the format fad du jour around '73-74. Maybe they thought the WMEX calls were associated with good guys radio and they wanted to ditch that image. From attychase@comcast.net Tue Feb 6 13:42:14 2007 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:42:14 -0500 Subject: Group W References: Message-ID: <001d01c74a1e$8a7ef980$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Arlo Guthrie refers to the Group W bench in his classic "Alice's Restaurant" rendition. Does anybody know if he based it on the Westinghouse Group W tag and if not where it came from. (It obviously has nothing to do with details of the "masacree." I have always wanted to know what the answer to that question was and have never found an answer. Bob >WBZ or channel 5 or 7 (pre-cable > days). Channel 4 was always referred to as WBZ. The others were just > channel numbers. I still miss hearing (or seeing) "A Group W station" > at the end of the ID, though, ironicly it was years before I new what > the hell "Group W" was. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 6 13:58:15 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:58:15 -0500 Subject: DePetro to WPRO? Message-ID: <20070206185816.68A1983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> The controversial John DePetro may be back on air, down in his native Rhode Island. A couple posts on radio-info's Prov board say that Dave Barber (9-11:45 am) was being let go by WPRO and he would be replaced by DePetro. There is no announcement yet on DePetro's site, and WPRO's simply has a box saying "WPRO AM 630" under the mid-morning time slot on the schedule page. From sid@wrko.com Tue Feb 6 13:59:00 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:59:00 -0700 Subject: Group W Message-ID: >>Arlo Guthrie refers to the Group W bench in his classic "Alice's Restaurant" rendition. Does anybody know if he based it on the Westinghouse Group W tag and if not where it came from. (It obviously has nothing to do with details of the "masacree." I have always wanted to know what the answer to that question was and have never found an answer.<< It has nothing to do with Westinghouse's broadcast division. "Group W" was the draft board designation for those drafted who might not be morally fit to serve...in his specific instance, those who had been convicted of a crime. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Feb 6 14:00:28 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:00:28 -0500 Subject: Group W In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:42:14 EST." <001d01c74a1e$8a7ef980$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <200702061900.l16J0Slb007063@all-night-tool.mit.edu> >Arlo Guthrie refers to the Group W bench in his classic "Alice's Restaurant" >rendition. Does anybody know if he based it on the Westinghouse Group W tag >and if not where it came from. (It obviously has nothing to do with details >of the "masacree." I have always wanted to know what the answer to that >question was and have never found an answer. Probably has to do with the old Selective Service System (i.e., "the draft") and its categorization system. The categories most people are familiar with are 1-A (available for unrestricted service) and 4-F (not acceptable for "physical, mental, or moral" reasons). There was also 1-W (conscientious objector ordered to perform alternative service) and 4-W (one who has completed said alternative service). I'm pretty sure that's what Arlo meant by "group W", given the description of the scene where that part of the song was taking place. Group W as in Westinghouse Broadcasting makes no sense in that context. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 6 15:17:46 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:17:46 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? Message-ID: <20070206201747.94EE11F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: "Stephanie Weil" , "Ric Werme" >Anyone have an idea what major market stations can get for a >half-hour or an hour....after midnight or pre-6am? Before you get the impression that such fare is broadcast only after-midnight, or pre-6:00 am, remember that Sunday night @ 9:30 "infomercials" have been a regular feature on WBZ-AM for years. For a while, WRKO-AM ran them on Saturday afternoons before picking up first Todd Feinburg, then switching to live/local (one of the presumably "good" steps 'RKO has taken.) = Get Equipment Leasing Barklay Capital, Inc. offers equipment financing and leasing services. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=654cd09599533f8dfa15e06221484694 From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 6 15:23:06 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:23:06 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: <20070206202307.9CBC51F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Roger Kirk" >Subject: Re: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:35:28 -0500 >It makes little sense that a "pirate" would be granted STA unless >there are special circumstances, e.g., legitimate filing issues and >failure to follow protocol. >Bill O'Neill I too was surprised to read about this on allaccess.com; I'm assuming this area of Nevada is not particularly loaded with FM signals, and it shouldn't give too much hope to the folks running the pirate on 106.1 in Dorchester/Mattapan. (Hey it's two weeks since the El Globo story and the FCC hasn't shut them down yet..."Touch FM" I mean; could it be that Saturday's edition of the paper is the least-read of the week?) = Glycolic Acid, Non-Glycolic Home Peels Home skin peels, glycolic and non-glycolic, for light peeling and for those who need a deeper peel. 20%-70% strength available. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=14517958910556e13462bf805390dec1 From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Feb 6 21:09:48 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:09:48 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? In-Reply-To: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast .net> References: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070206210601.025dac10@BelloAssoc.com> WCRB 1330 am and 102.5 fm ran a paid infomercial on Sunday mornings at 11am throughout to 1970s. It was a church service from St Pauls on Tremont St in Boston. WCRB stopped when the church stopped buying the time. At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, Ric Werme wrote: >I accidentally had my clock radio armed for 0545 Sunday and woke to the >non-melodious strains of a sale pitch for some dietary supplement. >I left it on and verified that the legal ID said WCRB and later found >that they had not completely changed their format from oft-played >classical shorts. > > >From their playlist archive, note 2 hour gap: > >7:26 AM: STANLEY: Trumpet Voluntary, Opus 6 #5 (ens.; Burns, >Stephen, trumpet) ASV Records DCA-528 > >5:26 AM: PUGNI: Pas de Quatre (finale #8) (Cincinnati Pops/Erich >Kunzel) Telarc Records 80625 > >One half hour spot was from the local AGO (American Guild of Organists) which >included a request for corporate sponsorship so that their 48 year presence >on WCRB can continue. I guess they had a free ride until the new owners >decided that wasn't paying the bills. > >I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Does anyone >know what a half hour of early Sunday AM time sells for? Apparently >I'm just behind the times, Google says there are hundreds and hundreds >of thousands of pages referring to radio infomercial. Ah, only 720 if >I quote it. A couple that might be worth following up: > >http://www.radioinfomercial.com/ >This goes to a lame AOL hosted page. > >http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/the_media.htm >This page is at least entertaining. Fellow is incensed about a live sales >pitch while stuck in traffic and goes to the radio station and buys time >for his infomercials. Or something like that. If you can't beat 'em, join >'em. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 7 03:16:26 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:16:26 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? In-Reply-To: <20070206202307.9CBC51F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070206202307.9CBC51F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070207081705.E41DE1803C@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:23 PM 2/6/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote: >I too was surprised to read about this on allaccess.com; I'm >assuming this area of Nevada is not particularly loaded with >FM signals, and it shouldn't give too much hope to the folks running >the pirate on 106.1 in Dorchester/Mattapan. >(Hey it's two weeks since the El Globo story and the FCC >hasn't shut them down yet... These days, the FCC seems not to awaken unless somebody complains. Has anyone lodged a complaint or do people just not mind that pirate stations are on the air? Years ago, it seems, there were more people willing to complain, or perhaps there were more radio inspectors. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 7 07:08:57 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:08:57 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? In-Reply-To: <20070207081705.E41DE1803C@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000901c74ab0$bf0e3f70$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > >I too was surprised to read about this on allaccess.com; I'm > >assuming this area of Nevada is not particularly loaded with > >FM signals, and it shouldn't give too much hope to the folks running > >the pirate on 106.1 in Dorchester/Mattapan. > >(Hey it's two weeks since the El Globo story and the FCC > >hasn't shut them down yet... > > These days, the FCC seems not to awaken unless somebody > complains. Has anyone lodged a complaint or do people just not mind > that pirate stations are on the air? Years ago, it seems, there were > more people willing to complain, or perhaps there were more radio > inspectors. 106.1 (as well as most others) have already received Notices of Unlicensed Operation from the FCC. These notices seem to usually do no good around here. Florida seems to be the only state these days where they will actually do a raid/arrest for a pirate. http://diymedia.net/fccwatch/eadtable07.htm Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 7 07:17:22 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:17:22 -0700 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: >>(Hey it's two weeks since the El Globo story and the FCC >hasn't shut them down yet... These days, the FCC seems not to awaken unless somebody complains. Has anyone lodged a complaint or do people just not mind that pirate stations are on the air? Years ago, it seems, there were more people willing to complain, or perhaps there were more radio inspectors.<< Never assume, folks. They were monitored on January 11th, and a notice from the Enforcement Bureau was sent on the 25th: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269895A1.html Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 7 08:43:05 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:43:05 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? References: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070206210601.025dac10@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <001f01c74abd$e97ce7e0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Another paid program that WCRB carried for decades (I'm pretty sure it dated back to WCRB (AM) days) was the Friends of Armenian Culture Society program. I don't recall the day or time at which it aired, but I think it was ah nour long--an hour of some of the most boring radio (paid or unpaid) ever produced anywhere. And I don't think the program was heard at times such as 6:00AM Sundays. (The phrase "was heard" suggests that at least one person actually listened--that would include members of FACS. I'm skeptical that anyone listened for more than a couple of minutes before falling asleep. Since Armenians, as a group, have a reputation for being enterprising and resourceful people, I am amazed that none of them thought of marketing the program as a cure for insomnia. Worked great for me!) -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Ric Werme" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Infomercials on WCRB!? > > WCRB 1330 am and 102.5 fm ran a paid infomercial on Sunday mornings at 11am > throughout to 1970s. It was a church service from St Pauls on > Tremont St in Boston. > WCRB stopped when the church stopped buying the time. > > > At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, Ric Werme wrote: > >I accidentally had my clock radio armed for 0545 Sunday and woke to the > >non-melodious strains of a sale pitch for some dietary supplement. > >I left it on and verified that the legal ID said WCRB and later found > >that they had not completely changed their format from oft-played > >classical shorts. > > > > >From their playlist archive, note 2 hour gap: > > > >7:26 AM: STANLEY: Trumpet Voluntary, Opus 6 #5 (ens.; Burns, > >Stephen, trumpet) ASV Records DCA-528 > > > >5:26 AM: PUGNI: Pas de Quatre (finale #8) (Cincinnati Pops/Erich > >Kunzel) Telarc Records 80625 > > > >One half hour spot was from the local AGO (American Guild of Organists) which > >included a request for corporate sponsorship so that their 48 year presence > >on WCRB can continue. I guess they had a free ride until the new owners > >decided that wasn't paying the bills. > > > >I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Does anyone > >know what a half hour of early Sunday AM time sells for? Apparently > >I'm just behind the times, Google says there are hundreds and hundreds > >of thousands of pages referring to radio infomercial. Ah, only 720 if > >I quote it. A couple that might be worth following up: > > > >http://www.radioinfomercial.com/ > >This goes to a lame AOL hosted page. > > > >http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/the_media.htm > >This page is at least entertaining. Fellow is incensed about a live sales > >pitch while stuck in traffic and goes to the radio station and buys time > >for his infomercials. Or something like that. If you can't beat 'em, join > >'em. > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 7 11:03:55 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:03:55 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: <20070207160408.55C2D83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Never assume, folks. They were monitored on January 11th, and a notice from the Enforcement Bureau was sent on the 25th: I checked the Globe site and found that the Touch FM article had run on Jan. 20, nine days after they were monitored so somebody complained well before the Globe article appeared. The 10 day period has passed for Touch FM to provide evidence they are duly licensed, and I have no idea (since I live up in Beverly) if 106.1 is still on the air-- but if they are, I doubt they'll be on for much longer. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 7 11:10:49 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:10:49 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: <20070207161055.670D383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>106.1 (as well as most others) have already received Notices of Unlicensed Operation from the FCC. These notices seem to usually do no good around here. Florida seems to be the only state these days where they will actually Maybe they'll be fined 10 grand eventually...or maybe seizure of equipment. Didn't Radio Free Brattleboro go through one or both of those? (By "around here" I'm not sure if you mean the Greater Boston area or New England in general...) From ewerme@comcast.net Wed Feb 7 10:43:55 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:43:55 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:43:05 EST." <001f01c74abd$e97ce7e0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <20070207154355.CD09348491@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > Another paid program that WCRB carried for decades (I'm pretty sure it dated > back to WCRB (AM) days) was the Friends of Armenian Culture Society program. There was another one from some organization of Balkans expats. They would close with something like "Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia, yearning to be free," a reference to Soviet domination. Today you can get from http://www.scandinavica.com/baltics.htm to webcams of Freedom Square and Coca-Cola Plaza. Yay? From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 7 12:15:29 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:15:29 -0700 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? Message-ID: >>The 10 day period has passed for Touch FM to provide evidence they are duly licensed, and I have no idea (since I live up in Beverly) if 106.1 is still on the air-- but if they are, I doubt they'll be on for much longer.<< That assumes they will obey a shut-down order...and as others have pointed out, many pirates routinely ignore such notices. Of course, given the events of this week in Nevada, one wonders if the station's operator will go whining to one of his senators. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 7 13:45:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:45:46 -0500 Subject: DePetro starts Feb 14 on WPRO Message-ID: <20070207184549.251AA49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> An article on the WJAR-TV website says that John DePetro has been hired by WPRO for their weekday 9 am to 11:45 am slot, effective Feb. 14. A banner on the WPRO website confirms it. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Feb 7 14:52:01 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:52:01 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? Message-ID: <20070207195206.D3A5D478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Ric Werme" , bri@bostonradio.org, "Ron Bello" >Subject: Re: Infomercials on WCRB!? >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:43:05 -0500 >Another paid program that WCRB carried for decades (I'm pretty sure it dated >back to WCRB (AM) days) was the Friends of Armenian Culture Society program. >I don't recall the day or time at which it aired, but I think it was ah nour >long--an hour of some of the most boring radio (paid or unpaid) ever >produced anywhere. And I don't think the program was heard at times such as >6:00AM Sundays. (The phrase "was heard" suggests that at least one person >actually listened--that would include members of FACS. I'm skeptical that >anyone listened for more than a couple of minutes before falling asleep. >Since Armenians, as a group, have a reputation for being enterprising and >resourceful people, I am amazed that none of them thought of marketing the >program as a cure for insomnia. Worked great for me!) >Dan Strassberg >dan.strassberg@att.net >Fax: 1-707-215-6367 WCRB in those days had two other "paid programs": one, on Friday nights as I recall was all about the advertising industry hosted by someone from the Boston Advertising Club or something like that; another also ran sometime during the weekend and it was sponsored by a true Socialist group that was far to the left of anyone at Air America radio. The irony here was that they bought advertising time to rail against ADVERTISING! (Not that there's anything wrong with that) = Crystal Chandeliers in over 600 Stores James R. Moder Crystal Chandeliers from $89 to $10,000 trimmed with imported crystal, including Strass and spectra crystal manufactured by Swarovski. Call for price and ordering information. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=d0b962f277d76aee201c17449d22a67c From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 7 17:29:56 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:29:56 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? In-Reply-To: <20070207160408.55C2D83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001601c74b07$7efb2130$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > I checked the Globe site and found that the Touch FM article had run on > Jan. 20, nine days after they were monitored so somebody complained > well before the Globe article appeared. The 10 day period has passed for > Touch FM to provide evidence they are duly licensed, and I have > no idea (since I live up in Beverly) if 106.1 is still on the air-- > but if they are, I doubt they'll be on for much longer. Choice 102.9 got similar notices and actual fines within the past few years, same with 89.3 in Randolph (which actually has 2 more simulcast transmitters in Mattapan and Brockton). Several others have gotten the same kind of notices that 106.1 has gotten, so Bob, I don't think the situation will be any different with 106.1. They were on the air Sunday for sure, when I was in the area. One that I can think of that actually did shut down shortly after getting a notice was 98.9 in Brockton. They were giving severe problems to 99.1 WPLM in downtown Brockton, so maybe the FCC put a little more of a scare into them because of that. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, mA From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Feb 7 19:24:53 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:24:53 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? References: Message-ID: <006101c74b17$8dbf3d40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Sid pointed out... "Radio stations must be licensed by the FCC pursuant to 47 U.S.C. S 301. The only exception to this licensing requirement is for certain transmitters using or operating at a power level or mode of operation that complies with the standards established in Part 15 of the Commission's rules, 47 C.F.R. SS 15.1 et seq....the field strength of (your) signal on frequency 106.1MHz was measured at 269,000 microvolts per meter (uV/m) at 47 meters, which exceeded the maximum permitted level of 250 uV/m at 3 meters for non-licensed devices." They forgot the part: UNLESS YOU ARE SPONSORED BY A U.S. SENATOR...Where is Ted Kennedy when you need him? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: Re: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? > >>(Hey it's two weeks since the El Globo story and the FCC > >hasn't shut them down yet... > Never assume, folks. They were monitored on January 11th, and a notice > from the Enforcement Bureau was sent on the 25th: > > http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269895A1.html > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Feb 7 22:15:55 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:15:55 -0500 Subject: FCC Regs & NAB In-Reply-To: <20070207184549.251AA49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070207184549.251AA49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070207221026.025d3bf0@BelloAssoc.com> Was cleaning the bookcases and found the 6th edition of the NAB Engineering Handbook plus FCC Rules and Regulations, Volume III, Part 73 Radio Broadcast Services. Both are from around 1975 and are very clean. Anyone want them ? First to come gets them. Contact me off list to arrange. From markwats@comcast.net Wed Feb 7 22:29:13 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:29:13 -0500 Subject: Lowell Spinners Games Moving To WLLH Message-ID: <005101c74b31$4e4369b0$9447da18@Mark> The Lowell Spinners (Class A affiliate of the Boston Red Sox) will be heard on WLLH this coming season, according to the team's general manager. The games have aired on WCAP for the past few seasons. A link to a story on the Lowell Sun's website: http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_5175453 I should note I was told that WCAP owner/GM Maurice Cohen found out about the Spinners' move not from the team first, but from a local business owner who received an e-mail from a WLLH/WAMG sales rep touting the fact they were the new radio home of the Spinners and listing the ad packages available. This person called Maurice, who was surprised by this news, as this was supposedly the first he heard of the move. He then called the owner of the team, Drew Weber, who indeed confirmed the deal. No idea of who will be handling the play by play duties or if the games will also air on WAMG, which WLLH simulcasts. Mark Watson From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Feb 7 23:50:46 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:50:46 -0500 Subject: FCC Allows Pirate To Stay On The Air? In-Reply-To: <006101c74b17$8dbf3d40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <006101c74b17$8dbf3d40$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <000f01c74b3c$b2dbaad0$680fa8c0@BrianVaio> > Sid pointed out... > > "Radio stations must be licensed by the FCC pursuant to 47 > U.S.C. S 301. > The only exception to this licensing requirement is for certain > transmitters using or operating at a power level or mode > of operation that > complies with the standards established in Part 15 of the > Commission's > rules, 47 C.F.R. SS 15.1 et seq....the field strength of > (your) signal on > frequency 106.1MHz was measured at 269,000 microvolts per > meter (uV/m) at > 47 meters, which exceeded the maximum permitted level of > 250 uV/m at 3 > meters for non-licensed devices." > > They forgot the part: > > UNLESS YOU ARE SPONSORED BY A U.S. SENATOR...Where is Ted > Kennedy when you need him? > > > Roger > WA1KAT > You forgot the part about "more people have died because of Ted Kennedy than from Pirate Radio". Brian From Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 01:30:54 2007 From: Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:30:54 -0500 Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? References: <20070207195206.D3A5D478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003401c74b4a$cebd3d00$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> Speaking of WCRB..... The founder of WCRB was a minister, right? I also remember regular commentaries by "Starwest Jones" who was (somehow) part of the same family. I think the founder of WCRB was very interested in shaping the hearts and minds of listeners. If my understanding is correct, the original Rev Jones was more liberal than one might imagine. I think I reember the "Starwest Jones" commentairies as being somewhat liberal. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Feb 10 16:12:19 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:12:19 -0500 Subject: Choice 102.9 hit with $10K fine Message-ID: <20070210211219.783C149B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Longtime pirate "Choice FM" has been issued a $10,000 fine by the FCC for illegal operation. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-559A1.txt The FCC apparently does arrange for an installment plan for payment of fines if so desired. On its website, the station claims that it radiates 2,000 watts and can reach 100 miles. They also claim to have the call letters WCFM, which will comes as news to listeners of the _legitimate_ WCFM at Williams College in Williamstown. Whether this deters the owner(s) of Choice FM and other pirates, it probably won't...they'll be back for more illegal operations but maybe this will make them think a bit... From radiotest@cox.net Sat Feb 10 16:57:32 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:57:32 -0500 Subject: Choice 102.9 hit with $10K fine In-Reply-To: <20070210211219.783C149B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070210211219.783C149B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070210164847.035f2d18@cox.net> At 04:12 PM 2/10/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >Longtime pirate "Choice FM" has been issued a $10,000 fine by the >FCC for illegal operation. > >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-559A1.txt For those of you who might prefer the easier-to-read PDF version, just substitute "pdf" for the "txt" in that URL: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-559A1.pdf If you missed the Notice of Apparent Liability in this case, issued nearly a year ago, it is at: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-264273A1.pdf All of the Notices of Apparent Liability and Notices of Violations field-issued by the Commission's Enforcement Bureau since the beginning of 2003 are online at: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ Note that the pirate's web site is still online: http://choice1029.com/ Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 10 18:00:01 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:00:01 -0700 Subject: Choice 102.9 hit with $10K fine Message-ID: >>Longtime pirate "Choice FM" has been issued a $10,000 fine by the FCC for illegal operation. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-559A1.txt<< The fine was actually issued almost a year ago. This notice only affirms it, saying that the station operator promised to send the FCC reasons why he couldn't pay the fine, and failed to do so. >>On its website, the station claims that it radiates 2,000 watts and can reach 100 miles.<< Neat trick, since most licensed FMs can't cover 100 miles with 2 kW. >>Whether this deters the owner(s) of Choice FM and other pirates, it probably won't...they'll be back for more illegal operations but maybe this will make them think a bit...<< First, the fine has to be collected, and it gets referred for collection to the US Attorney...who has a few other things to do with his time as well. It's not going to happen anytime soon. OTOH, not paying the fine may give the FCC no alternative than to arrest both the operator and the equipment (what's know legally as an "ad rem" arrest of the equipment, similar to what police do with drug arrests...they confiscate anything, like a car, used in a drug deal). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Feb 11 11:00:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:00:33 -0500 Subject: Choice 102.9 hit with $10K fine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0702110800w75913becydd3180ad7d7da9d3@mail.gmail.com> >>OTOH, not paying the fine may give the FCC no alternative than to arrest both the operator and the equipment (what's know legally as an "ad rem" arrest of the equipment, similar to what police do with drug arrests...they confiscate anything, like a car, used in a drug deal). The following link is to a story about a Haitian pirate in Florida getting raided. http://freepress.net/news/20635 The owner, who made bail, was told "as long as it wasn't a commercial business and his antenna wasn't over 50 feet ? that it was legal." Supposedly the antenna was even taller than 50 feet, though. A complaint was made that it was interfering with a legit station 1 MHz away. Note that Choice FM is only 0.4 MHz away from GM's WKLB and CBS's WODS... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 11:49:42 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Finneran's Forum Message-ID: <96259.60706.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Did anyone hear Tom Finneran's debut on WRKO this morning? It's one of the top news stories now on boston.com. Was it played up in other media? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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I was in that vicinity last week and it was still broadcasting and even laid some splatter over 100.1 but not 99.5 (I forget what's on that frequency). Because of 99.5 IBOC hash, once you get just a mile or two from Tower Hill, the pirate 99.9 is overwelmed by the hash, so it's essentially a downtown Lawrence signal only. Lawrence isn't very big, but in the areas touching on Andover and North Andover, you're probably too far away to get it clearly. On my home receivers it takes the touch of safecracker to orient my antenna to tease it out of the background noise. = Flags Unlimited -world of flags On Sale Great selection on all types of flags: Country, State, USA, Military. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8531ccd296d40abc383cb9d4ce2a760a From lglavin@mail.com Mon Feb 12 14:00:03 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:00:03 -0500 Subject: Finneran's Forum Message-ID: <20070212190004.5BA781F50B3@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Finneran's Forum >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:42 -0800 (PST) >Did anyone hear Tom Finneran's debut on WRKO this morning? It's one of >the top news stories now on boston.com. Was it played up in other media? I heard the first 25 minutes of the show (they broke a little later for commercials than during the Scott Allen Miller show...possibly since it was the first outing). Finneran seemed rushed and sounded like the man in the Federal Express commercials he talked so fast; guest co-host Joe Sciacca seemed far more professional as if HE were the host. As far as media went, New England Cable News sent a reporter who gave a live intro from the Entercom parking lot, with video of portions of the show and an interview with The Felon. = MaxStream Wireless Links For Rfid System MaxStream develops frequency hopping spread spectrum Rfid wireless links. We provide low cost 900 MHz and 2.4 GHz wireless modem modules and stand-alone radios for Oems. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=af974dad6c98ac3b1884c7ec74965df1 From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Feb 13 10:10:56 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:10:56 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox Message-ID: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I tJust discovered this morning that has severed its almost-20-year tie with CBS to become a Fox Radio affiliate. No surprise there; it's following the lead of most other Clear Channel stations. My question is, what is now the nearest station to Boston that carries the hourly CBS newscast 24/7? I wonder whether, with the departure of WTAG, WBZ will pick it up. -Doug From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Feb 13 10:29:39 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:29:39 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070213102454.025d46f8@BelloAssoc.com> WCBS in New York City is the closest that is listenable. When WTOP was on 1500, you could listen to the hourly CBS newscast there. I looked for a list on the web but couldn't find it. At 10:10 AM 2/13/2007, Doug Drown wrote: >I tJust discovered this morning that has severed its almost-20-year tie with >CBS to become a Fox Radio affiliate. No surprise there; it's following the >lead of most other Clear Channel stations. My question is, what is now the >nearest station to Boston that carries the hourly CBS newscast 24/7? > >I wonder whether, with the departure of WTAG, WBZ will pick it up. > >-Doug From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Feb 13 10:57:23 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:57:23 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <17873.57315.743887.224724@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > My question is, what is now the nearest station to Boston that > carries the hourly CBS newscast 24/7? > I wonder whether, with the departure of WTAG, WBZ will pick it up. WBZ already carries the CBS top-hour overnights. They have determined (correctly in my view) that it's better to run a local newscast at times when the newsroom is staffed, to reinforce the idea that WBZ is the local news station. -GAWollman From Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 11:32:01 2007 From: Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:32:01 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox References: <01e201c74f81$2a1bd0f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <008201c74f8c$a030b1b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2> I could've sworn that WTAG was an NBC affilliate for years. Don From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 13 11:57:03 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:57:03 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox Message-ID: <20070213165709.DF0B9164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >>WBZ already carries the CBS top-hour overnights. Yes, and a brief local newscast follows (traffic on the 3s then news and sports headlines, and a brief weather summary before it goes back to Leveille or Rich. Not sure if they tape that just before midnight and run the same local 'cast during the overnights. I remember in years past, like when WEEI 590 had CBS, that you not only had the TOH CBS newscasts but they'd run something like "The World Tonight", a 15 minute (or maybe only 10) expanded version of the news from CBS. = Valentine eCards - Absolutely Free Cute eCards to let your loved ones know how much they mean to you. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=780d77f9976bcd88ae2f0cd5907d041d From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Feb 13 13:47:45 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:47:45 -0800 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 13, 2007, at 11:39AM, "Don A" wrote: >I could've sworn that WTAG was an NBC affilliate for years. That's true - it was quite a surprise to long-time Worcesterites when they went CBS after decades with NBC. They had carried a lot of network features like Monitor Radio and commentaries by NBC personalities. But that was 20 years ago. These days a lot fewer people will notice if the top of the hour news changes networks. Mark From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 13 14:22:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:22:22 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: References: <20070213165709.DF0B9164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070213192223.A8A9649B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> John Francini wrote: > As an aside, I grew up listening to Christopher Glenn doing the > little 2-minute or so "In The News" pieces on CBS Saturday Morning TV > in between the cartoon shows. They may have been CBS' answer to > Schoolhouse Rock on ABC. I also remember that bit. On his "Lost 45s" show, Barry Scott does a feature where he reads news headlines from the past and the backing music (done on synthesizer) from "In the News" is the music bed. From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 13 15:20:55 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:20:55 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D1D757.12004.322C01@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Feb 2007 marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > That's true - it was quite a surprise to long-time Worcesterites when > they went CBS after decades with NBC. They had carried a lot of > network features like Monitor Radio and commentaries by NBC > personalities. But that was 20 years ago. These days a lot fewer > people will notice if the top of the hour news changes networks. I thought the NBC radio network was discontinued a few years ago. In its last days, it had been bought by Westwood One, which was bought by CBS or by something that was bought by CBS, and NBC radio news, along with Mutual news, was originating from the CBS newsroom. -- This e-mail message and any attachments are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the undersigned immediately and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you. A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Feb 13 15:31:37 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:31:37 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox References: Message-ID: <01fc01c74fad$f651f010$6501a8c0@pastor2> WTAG was not only an NBC affiliate for years, but was one of the network's original affiliates in 1926. It remained with NBC until the early '40s, then switched to CBS. In 1956, if memory serves, it became independent, and then rejoined NBC around 1965 when three Worcester stations did a three-way network switch all at the same time. WTAG did indeed carry "Monitor," as well as most, if not all, of NBC's other programming. WTAG left NBC, along with many other long-time affiliates (e.g. WHJJ, WGY, WTIC, WSM, WSB, WVMT), shortly after Westwood One took over the network in 1987 and tragically eviscerated it. (WGY's management publicly expressed its disgust with Westwood One in a Schenectady Gazette article that I read at the time. The station had been with the network for 62 years.) How well I remember the tag line the station proudly gave for years before the NBC hourly newscasts: "This is WTAG Worcester, the radio station of the Telegram and Gazette, NBC for Worcester and all of central New England." -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox > On Tuesday, February 13, 2007, at 11:39AM, "Don A" wrote: > >I could've sworn that WTAG was an NBC affilliate for years. > > That's true - it was quite a surprise to long-time Worcesterites when they went CBS after decades with NBC. They had carried a lot of network features like Monitor Radio and commentaries by NBC personalities. But that was 20 years ago. These days a lot fewer people will notice if the top of the hour news changes networks. > > Mark From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Feb 13 16:18:45 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:18:45 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: <45D1D757.12004.322C01@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45D1D757.12004.322C01@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17874.11061.435459.330591@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I thought the NBC radio network was discontinued a few years ago. In > its last days, it had been bought by Westwood One, which was bought > by CBS or by something that was bought by CBS, and NBC radio news, > along with Mutual news, was originating from the CBS newsroom. To quote from Westwood One's most recent SEC 10-K filing: > Westwood One is managed by CBS Radio Inc. (CBS Radio; previously > known as Infinity Broadcasting Corporation (Infinity)), a > wholly-owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation, pursuant to a management > agreement between the Company and CBS Radio (then Infinity) which > expires on March 31, 2009 (the Management Agreement). > In addition to the Management Agreement described above, the Company > also enters into other transactions with CBS Radio and affiliates of > CBS Radio, including Viacom, in the normal course of business. Such > arrangements include a representation agreement (including a related > news programming agreement, a license agreement and a technical > services agreement with an affiliate of CBS Radio collectively > referred to in this report as the Representation Agreement) to > operate the CBS Radio Networks, affiliation agreements with many of > CBS Radios radio stations and the purchase of programming rights > from CBS Radio and affiliates of CBS Radio. This is all described in eye-glazing detail on Westwood One's 2002 proxy statement Westwood One founder Norm Pattiz controls about 25% of the voting interest in the company and is its chairman. CBS seems to have about 15% and employs Westwood's CEO and CFO. -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Feb 13 18:19:07 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:19:07 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox References: <45D1D757.12004.322C01@Joe.attorneyross.com> <17874.11061.435459.330591@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <025901c74fc5$5c8414a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> NBC Radio continues to exist, but only to the extent that it offers Meet the Press and a very brief (one minute!) hourly newscast reported mostly by NBC News anchors. WTKK carries it in Boston. I read the other day that Robert Wright, the former head of NBC, now realizes that GE made a huge mistake when it leased off the network and sold its radio O&Os. Westwood One's 20-year contract with GE ends this year. It will be interesting to see what happens. In the waning days of the actual NBC Radio Network newscasts, when WW1 had reduced the schedule to 6-10am weekdays, the newscasts were actually being done by CBS anchors. William Paley and David Sarnoff must have turned over in their graves. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox > < said: > > > I thought the NBC radio network was discontinued a few years ago. In > > its last days, it had been bought by Westwood One, which was bought > > by CBS or by something that was bought by CBS, and NBC radio news, > > along with Mutual news, was originating from the CBS newsroom. > > To quote from Westwood One's most recent SEC 10-K filing: > > > Westwood One is managed by CBS Radio Inc. (CBS Radio; previously > > known as Infinity Broadcasting Corporation (Infinity)), a > > wholly-owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation, pursuant to a management > > agreement between the Company and CBS Radio (then Infinity) which > > expires on March 31, 2009 (the Management Agreement). > > > In addition to the Management Agreement described above, the Company > > also enters into other transactions with CBS Radio and affiliates of > > CBS Radio, including Viacom, in the normal course of business. Such > > arrangements include a representation agreement (including a related > > news programming agreement, a license agreement and a technical > > services agreement with an affiliate of CBS Radio collectively > > referred to in this report as the Representation Agreement) to > > operate the CBS Radio Networks, affiliation agreements with many of > > CBS Radios radio stations and the purchase of programming rights > > from CBS Radio and affiliates of CBS Radio. > > This is all described in eye-glazing detail on Westwood One's 2002 > proxy statement > > > Westwood One founder Norm Pattiz controls about 25% of the voting > interest in the company and is its chairman. CBS seems to have about > 15% and employs Westwood's CEO and CFO. > > -GAWollman > From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Feb 13 20:12:47 2007 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:12:47 -0500 Subject: WTAG leaves CBS for Fox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EBF257B-7065-409F-B31D-D63104A46F2C@charter.net> On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:47 PM, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > That's true - it was quite a surprise to long-time Worcesterites > when they went CBS after decades with NBC. They had carried a lot > of network features like Monitor Radio and commentaries by NBC > personalities. But that was 20 years ago. These days a lot fewer > people will notice if the top of the hour news changes networks. The only times I heard the CBS top-of-the-hour newscast on WTAG was nights and weekends, plus the 8 AM CBS News Roundup. At all other times they had their own five-minute newscast. Does this schedule continue now with Fox News? Paul From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 14 14:31:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:31:00 -0500 Subject: WTTT: Conservative is their middle name... Message-ID: <20070214193100.4405749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Perhaps as part of a trend (I think Salem's conservatalker in Cleveland is doing the same thing), WTTT 1150's website now uses the slogan "Boston's Conservative Talk" (similar to what WXKS/WKOX had except for the middle word). Thus they are definitely tying the hosts' idealogy into their slogan... (The site has a few pictures, including Mike Gallagher talking to soon-to-be-former AAR host Al Franken, and one of Jimi Carter, a WTTT staffer whom I believe used to work for Gene Burns and/or Jay Severin.) Some of the conservatalk shows are being aired also on WROL 950, their sister station (especially at night) and you wonder if Salem's committment to political talk is getting stronger. Might they do better with the conservatalk on the 950 signal , or even WEZE 590? (Though their committment to Christian teaching/preaching is probably their biggest concern). If they marketed themselves better and got a local host on (didn't Don Feder briefly do a show for them?), and wound up on a signal like 590 or 950 instead of 1150, they could make inroads against the likes of WRKO and WTKK... From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 15 13:56:27 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:56:27 -0500 Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB Message-ID: <20070215185628.6BE2349B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Bad enough that 99.5 may not be as easily received as 102.5 for some folks, but classical fans in some parts of Boston are getting a pirate station at 99.7 causing interference! http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/2007/02/wcrb_pirate_rad.html The PD of WCRB says in a reply to the listener that they've contacted the FCC. I'd think the fact that the pirate is only .2 MHz away from the legit station would lead to fast action (the 102.9 and 106.1 pirates are further away from Boston-area stations, though the 106.1 is on same freq as WCOD from the Cape). Getting a complaint from a listener who lives in the area of the pirate AND a complaint from a licensed station should help too, I'd think... From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 15 11:39:44 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:39:44 -0500 Subject: Pirate On 99.7 In Dorchester Message-ID: <20070215163947.503901158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> I don't know if the parent paper will run a story about this, but the Boston Globe runs a blog at its Arts&Entertainment section called "The Exhibitionist", written by Geoff Edgers. A day or two ago, he wrote about a person living in the Ashmont section of Dorchester, itself a section of Boston. The gentleman was trying to pick up the Boston Symphony concerts on WCRB's new 99.5 frequency only to receive splatter from a pirate running sporadically at 99.7 on-the dial. He wrote a letter to CRB PD Mark Edwards; the correspondence is provided in the article: http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/2007/02/wcrb_pirate_rad.html I came across this item at www.universalhub.com which runs numerous observations about daily life in Boston and environs, occasionally including items about radio. = Hawaiian Shirts 50% off High quality Hawaiian Shirts, spaghetti strap and tank dresses. For men, women, boys and girls. Cheap and affordable prices. Entire stock on sale. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=91ab7d580bbffa936cc9918edad47f1e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 15 14:46:46 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:46:46 -0500 Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB Message-ID: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:56:27 -0500 >Bad enough that 99.5 may not be as easily received as 102.5 for >some folks, but classical fans in some parts of >Boston are getting a pirate station at 99.7 causing interference! >http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/2007/02/wcrb_pirate_rad.html Universalhub.com posted a link to that URL earlier, and their comments page has two entries dealing with the pirate problem, including a link to a listing of pirate stations in the area. It can be read at: http://www.universal.hub.com/node/7642#comments Universalhub.com is an interesting site to visit because it often contains allusions to the radio business by "civilians". = Baby Baptism/Christening Gift Visit Abernook.com for unique baptism gifts including the Messages of Love jewelry baptism bracelet. Also available special gift ideas from Godmother. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=45b3fad8e653fe927d923f0481530731 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 15 15:46:29 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:46:29 -0500 Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB In-Reply-To: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070215204629.BB45949B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> > http://www.universal.hub.com/node/7642#comments > > Universalhub.com is an interesting site to visit because it often > contains > allusions to the radio business by "civilians". I tried that link and it didn't work but maybe it's just temp. down. However a link on the BostonRadioBlog did have the link you may be referring to (a listing of pirate stations in the area). And from that, I found the link to the 99.7 which claims to have WNEX calls. Nights and weekends... http://nextlevelradio.net/ The low power/unlicensed site, via BostonRadioBlog is: http://members.aol.com/baconti/bostonLP.htm Notice there are some other stations that are right next to legit ones, like a couple at 98.9 and stations at 93.5, 103.1 and 107.1 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 15 15:49:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:49:16 -0500 Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB In-Reply-To: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070215204916.EEB0449B6CA@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> I couldn't get the universal hub link to work but it may just be temporarily down. I did find an entry about pirate radio on the boston radio blog...which listed the page that I believe you're referring to (list on low power/unlicensed stations). And from that, I found the link to the 99.7 which claims to have WNEX calls. Nights and weekends... http://nextlevelradio.net/ The low power/unlicensed site, via BostonRadioBlog is: http://members.aol.com/baconti/bostonLP.htm Notice there are some other stations that are right next to legit ones, like a couple at 98.9 and stations at 93.5, 103.1 and 107.1 From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Feb 16 01:43:39 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:43:39 -0500 Subject: Globe: 99.7 pirate in Boston squelching WCRB In-Reply-To: <20070215204916.EEB0449B6CA@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070215194646.DFBA91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <20070215204916.EEB0449B6CA@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45D5529B.5080205@gabrielmass.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > I couldn't get the universal hub link to work but it may just be temporarily down. Here is the URL, sans typo: http://www.universalhub.com/node/7642 --RC From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Feb 16 10:33:32 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:33:32 -0500 Subject: WROL at night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C91FF6F3242FD2-1600-C67@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> Isn't WROL - 950 supposed to be running something like 90 watts at night? That should theoretically be a crummy signal here at 14 miles to the west-northwest. Philadelphia, Utica, and other stations should be massively interfering. But I'm surprised: I get WROL almost as well at night as during the day. I know their salt-marsh site in Saugus is "killer" but they sound like they're running at least a kW. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Might they do better with the conservatalk on the 950 signal , or even WEZE 590? >> ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 19 11:30:46 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:46 -0500 Subject: via Fybush: Chronicle show on local radio history In-Reply-To: <20070219151149.38B5E83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070219151149.38B5E83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17881.53430.915942.490993@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html > Scott Fybush's NERW mentions a Chronicle show this Fri. Feb 23 at 7:30 pm on WCVB/5, saluting > local radio history. Dorman, LaPierre, Fybush, Halper, Ginsburg, and more. Having seen the preview, I will second Scott's recommendation. I'm sure Art could have done an hour if that much time were available. And there's some really amazing historic footage in there. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 19 12:13:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:13:36 -0500 Subject: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? Message-ID: <20070219171339.8BB2983986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192007/business/heavenly_deal_business_peter_lauria.htm It would be a monopoly but a stronger company, with "more than 12 million total subscibers"... Sirius and XM to merge? Heck, if the merger meant (eventually) lower per-month costs for subscribers, even I might be convinced to join in. From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Feb 19 15:03:32 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:03:32 -0500 Subject: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? In-Reply-To: <20070219171339.8BB2983986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070219171339.8BB2983986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I haven't read the article, but FCC Chairman Kevin Martin has previously stated that any merger between the two satcasters would be struck down by the agency. I'm sure the two services would love to merge, since satellite radio is not experiencing the rapid growth it once was, but it's not going to happen. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192007/business/ > heavenly_deal_business_peter_lauria.htm > > It would be a monopoly but a stronger company, with "more than 12 > million total subscibers"... > Sirius and XM to merge? Heck, if the merger meant (eventually) lower > per-month costs for > subscribers, even I might be convinced to join in. > > > From bradfordwood@comcast.net Mon Feb 19 16:57:14 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (Bradford Wood) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:57:14 -0500 Subject: Breaking: XM/Sirius to merge In-Reply-To: References: <20070219171339.8BB2983986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45DA1D3A.3060807@comcast.net> http://xmradio.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_releases&item=1423 Direct from the horses release...er um...mouth. From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 19 19:09:44 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:09:44 -0700 Subject: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? Message-ID: >>I haven't read the article, but FCC Chairman Kevin Martin has previously stated that any merger between the two satcasters would be struck down by the agency. I'm sure the two services would love to merge, since satellite radio is not experiencing the rapid growth it once was, but it's not going to happen.<< Only problem is, that's not what he said. He said that *under present FCC rules* the merger would not occur. Rules can be altered or waived upon application and Commission approval. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Feb 19 21:49:45 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:49:45 -0500 Subject: via Fybush: Chronicle show on local radio history In-Reply-To: <17881.53430.915942.490993@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070219151149.38B5E83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <17881.53430.915942.490993@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <521b7fd10702191849t16d14173sac284d4f05d1496c@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > And there's some really amazing historic footage in there. If someone could please record it, I'd sure be interested in seeing it. -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From xtrovato@yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 21:52:33 2007 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:52:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <663477.93508.qm@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>I haven't read the article, but FCC Chairman Kevin > Martin has > previously stated that any merger between the two > satcasters would be > struck down by the agency. I'm sure the two > services would love to > merge, since satellite radio is not experiencing the > rapid growth it > once was, but it's not going to happen.<< > > Only problem is, that's not what he said. I could've sworn I heard a direct quote from him speaking of a merger: "It's not gonna happen". Keeping in mind, rules change, people change their minds, people make political contributions, money talks, etc....anything can happen. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 12:24:37 2007 From: Donad_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:24:37 -0500 Subject: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? References: <20070219171339.8BB2983986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00b901c7544a$df2670e0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2> > It would be a monopoly but a stronger company, with "more than 12 million > total subscibers"... > Sirius and XM to merge? I was under the impression that the FCC said "no way" to this idea. > Heck, if the merger meant (eventually) lower per-month costs for > subscribers, even I might be convinced to join in. Usually "mergers" mean higher fees and less service. Look at what it's done for banks! From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 22:04:50 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:04:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: The NAB Responds.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <873230.69085.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> http://www.nab.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Press_Releases1&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=8258 Some interesting excerpts: >> "Given the government's history of opposing monopolies in all forms, NAB would be shocked if federal regulators permitted a merger of XM and Sirius. It bears mentioning that regulators summarily rejected a similar monopoly merger of the nation's only two satellite television companies -- DirecTV and DISH Network -- just a few years back." << Hmmm..Interesting? >> "When the FCC authorized satellite radio, it specifically found that the public would be served best by two competitive nationwide systems. Now, with their stock prices at rock bottom and their business model in disarray because of profligate spending practices, they seek a government bail-out to avoid competing in the marketplace." << The FCC would now have to concede that it's earlier decision was wrong, and the public would be best served by one BIG satellite radio company? And the public would be best served by this because the two companies decided to spend themselves into oblivion? And the closer: >> "In coming weeks, policymakers will have to weigh whether an industry that makes Howard Stern its poster child should be rewarded with a monopoly platform for offensive programming. We?re hopeful that this anti-consumer proposal will be rejected." << And fade to black! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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All else follows from that. >>And the closer: >> "In coming weeks, policymakers will have to weigh whether an industry that makes Howard Stern its poster child should be rewarded with a monopoly platform for offensive programming. We?re hopeful that this anti-consumer proposal will be rejected." << And fade to black!<< A letter-perfect example of the NAB's agenda. Howard Stern seemed to be OK with the NAB when he was on terrestrial radio...or, at the very least, the NAB was silent on the issue. Now that he's on a competing medium, suddenly he's the devil. The NAB is as transparent as a piece of glass. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From hykker@grolen.com Tue Feb 20 09:31:15 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: via Fybush: Chronicle show on local radio history In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10702191849t16d14173sac284d4f05d1496c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070219151149.38B5E83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <17881.53430.915942.490993@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <521b7fd10702191849t16d14173sac284d4f05d1496c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4928.63.118.166.2.1171981875.squirrel@63.118.166.2> Rick Kelly wrote: > >> And there's some really amazing historic footage in there. > > If someone could please record it, I'd sure be interested in seeing it. > Me too! From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Feb 20 10:47:24 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:47:24 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Sirius, XM feel the urge to merge? Message-ID: <45DB180C.6010801@Gmail.com> Dave "Mike Thomas" Tomm wrote, > I haven't read the article, but FCC Chairman > Kevin Martin has previously stated that any merger > between the two satcasters would be struck down by > the agency. I'm sure the two services would love to > merge, since satellite radio is not experiencing the > rapid growth it once was, but it's not going to happen. Yeh, and as is usually the case when a little heat becomes apparent, a "change of heart" takes place: http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/Search.aspx?search=martin%20fcc%20jan Fourth story down: Martin: Satellite Radio Merger A No-Go ? By Jeffrey Yorke ? ? Message to Wall Street warriors excited about the ? prospects of a Sirius and XM satellite radio ? merger: Stuff a sock in it. It ain?t gonna happen. ? ? FCC chairman Kevin Martin didn?t use those exact words ? but he made it clear then, the very next day, (third story down): Flip-Flop By FCC Top ? By Jeffrey Yorke ? Martin told Reuters reporters at a New York conference ? that an FCC rule against a merger for the fledgling ? satcasters could be changed if the two companies requested ? it. He added that he was not aware of any request to ? change the rule, (BTW, I don't know about everyone else, but I think R&R's new web page format suc-, er, %^@#&*!! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From songbook2@comcast.net Tue Feb 20 12:20:20 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:20:20 -0800 Subject: Chronicle show on local radio history Message-ID: <45DB2DD4.3080404@comcast.net> Chronicle show on local radio history - I, too, would like to have a copy or direction where to contact to obtain a copy. I now live in the Pacific Northwest, but originally I'm from Boston. Thanks for the reply at my home email address. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 21 00:30:46 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:30:46 -0500 Subject: The NAB Responds.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DB92B6.26587.6FD053@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Feb 2007 at 6:00, Sid Schweiger wrote: > So what? The FCC waives its own rules all the time, given a > persuasive enough argument. Nothing new there. Two publicly-traded > corporations are not going to announce a merger unless they are 99.99% > sure that it will jump every regulatory hurdle. Really? Didn't a proposed merger of satellite TV companies get rejected not too long ago? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 21 07:22:09 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:22:09 -0700 Subject: The NAB Responds.... Message-ID: >> Didn't a proposed merger of satellite TV companies get rejected not too long ago?<< Yep. Occasionally the long shot comes through. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 21 08:44:46 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:44:46 -0500 Subject: The NAB Responds.... References: Message-ID: <002901c755be$73cfe4a0$74824c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: The NAB Responds.... > "In coming weeks, policymakers will have to weigh > whether an industry that makes Howard Stern its poster > child should be rewarded with a monopoly platform for > offensive programming. We're hopeful that this > anti-consumer proposal will be rejected." > << > > And fade to black!<< > > A letter-perfect example of the NAB's agenda. Howard Stern seemed to be OK with the NAB when he was on terrestrial radio...or, at the very least, the NAB was silent on the issue. Now that he's on a competing medium, suddenly he's the devil. The NAB is as transparent as a piece of glass. > Speaking of shock jocks ... if this goes through, Opie and Anthony (who did a typically juvenile, scatological -- but often sidesplitting -- critique of the conference call on their XM channel as the conference call itself was running on a special-events channel) would find themselves working for Mel Karmazin again! Howard From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Feb 21 16:51:40 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:51:40 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: <45DCBEEC.5080307@ttlc.net> It seems that the conversion to HD fee of $10,000 (discussed on this list as a cost roadblock to entry into the HD market) is set to go to $15,000 in July and $25,000 in July of '08. They are offering stations the ability to "lock in" the $10,000 rate for all future acquisition. But they have to "Call Before Midnight Tonight" (tongue-in-cheek). Operators are standing by! Seems that $25,000 would be a HUGE obstacle for many stations. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Feb 21 16:54:41 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:54:41 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives In-Reply-To: <45DCBEEC.5080307@ttlc.net> References: <45DCBEEC.5080307@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <17884.49057.388414.453376@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Seems that $25,000 would be a HUGE obstacle for many stations. I'd love to see the business case for that.... -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 21 17:06:23 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:06:23 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: <20070221220623.5373A1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >> Seems that $25,000 would be a HUGE obstacle for many stations. I don't think too many people are buying HD receivers these days despite the many ads about the "hidden stations" that I've heard (including the ads on Greater Media's WTKK, WKLB, and WROR)... So, is it worth their while, especially with the added cost of conversion (for the ones who decide to not take advanatge of that "incentive"...) = Garden Hose Reel A complete line of industrial hose reels for air, water, fuel, hydraulic, grease, oil, electrical, lighting, welding. Retractable, hand crank, and motor driven. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a23af672d2f5b2ca3bc992e1632ee771 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 21 16:30:34 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:30:34 -0500 Subject: The NAB Responds.... In-Reply-To: <002901c755be$73cfe4a0$74824c0c@oemcomputer> References: <002901c755be$73cfe4a0$74824c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20070221213035.F24C85C5F4F@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >it was written-- > > > > A letter-perfect example of the NAB's agenda. Howard Stern seemed to be >OK with the NAB when he was on terrestrial radio...or, at the very least, >the NAB was silent on the issue. Now that he's on a competing medium, >suddenly he's the devil. The NAB is as transparent as a piece of glass. And what about how silent they were over Clear Channel's many abuses during the days of rampant media consolidation, when CC bought up over 1200 stations, fired news staffs, eradicated localism, etc etc--- ah but they were the NAB's biggest dues-paying member, so the NAB said nothing as voice-tracking and a total lack of localism permeated market after market, costing many of us our jobs. The NAB was founded in 1923 to be a VOICE for local broadcasters (that sound you hear is the late great John Shepard 3rd spinning in his grave...). From lglavin@mail.com Wed Feb 21 17:21:14 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:21:14 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: <20070221222115.ABC4A1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Roger Kirk" >Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:54:41 -0500 < said: > Seems that $25,000 would be a HUGE obstacle for many stations. >I'd love to see the business case for that.... >-GAWollman I saw the item from iBiquity at radiodailynews.com's website; it seemed to be timed to coincide with the proposed Sirius/XM merger. Terrestrial broadcaster who are not partners with any satellite radio firm could invest in and promote HD while "civilians" believe the satellite radio business model is in trouble (they may be correct in that belief, although a person interviewed in a Boston Globe story Wednesday was more positive in his view of satellite radio finances)...the message from such broadcasters could be: "Satellite radio is in trouble, it may not be around, you have to pay for a receiver AND the service, while with HD you just pay for the receiver, the programming is free and worth every penny (ok leave that out). So from a business point of view: use HD radio to help squash satellite radio, then if that happens, get permission to run ads on HD channels. = Discount Dog Ramps Starting at $39.99 Same day shipping & cheap prices on dog and pet ramps - check and compare. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e8369cfe2d5d3ef7178d81d992bd3900 From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 22:03:04 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:03:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives In-Reply-To: <20070221222115.ABC4A1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <682613.4294.qm@web50812.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > > Seems that $25,000 would be a HUGE obstacle for > many stations. Never mind the MINIMUM $75,000 per station to just purchase the HD equipment. It would deplete virtually every stations' capital budget, and then some (that is, of course, if your station is not owned by an NPR affiliate, Clear Channel, Greater Media et.al.). I personally think that the smaller stations (like the colleges and local stations) will opt for FMExtra, the digital subcarrier system which uses the same sidebands as analog SCA (57-92 kHz) and can provide 2 full-quality stereo streams. Nice thing about FMExtra, there are NO extra license fees (unlike Ibiquity which charges mucho dinero for each stream an IBOC station activates). The FMExtra coverage is more robust than IBOC as well. It carries much faithfully than IBOC. I've had a Boston Acoustics receiver for the better part of a year. The programming on HD radio (HD1, HD2 etc.) is really nothing much to write home about. The AM HD is not useable unless you happen to see the towers or have a very LONG longwire. 73, -Peter Q. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 09:28:04 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:28:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives In-Reply-To: <682613.4294.qm@web50812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <564315.32725.qm@web56812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:03:04 "Peter Q. George" wrote, in response to the extraordinarily high costs involved in converting existing FM stations to IBOC technology: > I > personally think that the smaller stations (like the > colleges and local stations) will opt for FMExtra, > the > digital subcarrier system which uses the same > sidebands as analog SCA (57-92 kHz) and can provide > 2 > full-quality stereo streams. Nice thing about > FMExtra, there are NO extra license fees (unlike > Ibiquity which charges mucho dinero for each stream > an > IBOC station activates). The FMExtra coverage is > more > robust than IBOC as well. It carries much > faithfully > than IBOC. > The only problem I see with this is actually the same problem that currently exists with IBOC, programming issues aside - the availability of receivers that can receive these FMExtra signals. Unless FMExtra gets a serious push from an broadcast organization or group of broadcast organizations, nobody is going to manufacture any of these receivers for under, say $500-$1000, which is well out of the price range of the average consumer. And if nobody can actually receive and listen to these signals, what good are they? (see: AM Stereo) Plus, isn't there some FCC regulation that prohibits the manufacture of receivers that can tune a frequency's main channel plus its SCA frequencies, or has that since been repealed? Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From readaaron@friedbagels.com Thu Feb 22 11:58:39 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:58:39 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: <45DDCBBF.3070007@friedbagels.com> I wouldn't try to compare FMeXtra with HD Radio...the two are so different as to be apples and oranges. Even FMeXtra will tell you that the technologies are not competing, merely complementary. And like any good fruit basket, you can have both apples and oranges...meaning that you can install HD Radio AND FMeXtra on your FM signal and they'll coexist nicely. Still, the big difference is that FMeXtra doesn't do jack squat to improve the main FM audio channel. HD Radio does. To digress: HD Radio eliminates multipath (and related interference-based) audio quality issues. The audio quality you hear is VERY consistent as long as an HD signal is received. This is really noticeable on AM, but it's a definite improvement on FM as well. HD Radio expands FM audio bandwidth to 20kHz. Again, a subtle improvement, but something that you notice when it goes away. HD Radio dramatically improves the audio quality of AM. With FM, yeah, not so much, but it can be a little better thanks to that 20kHz. The need to have a smooth blend to analog during the hybrid phase does, admittedly, mute the audio fidelity benefits. While technically FMeXtra can support surround sound, right now it's a distant dream. 5.1 Surround on HD Radio is hitting Boston before the year is out on WZLX. FMeXtra is really designed to be a replacement for analog SCA/subcarrier broadcasters. It doesn't improve the main FM signal, and the data services are near-exclusively focused on multicasting...not surround sound or any of the other nifty ideas that have been bandied about with HD Radio. Plus FMeXtra doesn't have the weight of the NRSC-5 standard behind it. And, of course, FMeXtra does nothing for the AM band. This could be viewed as both good and bad depending on your views about HD Radio for AM. :-) Now, this isn't to say FMeXtra is bad. FAR from it...I'm already talking with two college stations that are interested in FMeXtra so as to prevent the perennial problem of sports coverage pre-empting regular shows. I think it's ideal for them. FMeXtra provides the same killer app that HD Radio does...multicasting...and does it in a much more flexible way while costing a fraction of what HD Radio does. In fact, it's flexible enough that, in theory, you could have nine or ten extra audio channels on FMeXtra. In reality, I think most stations will be limited to two or three...but that's still a big improvement over existing low-quality SCA channels. For FMeXtra, the encoder is 1RU, requires no new transmitter & antenna, connects to any SCA input composite port, takes about 20 to 30 minutes to install (yes, that quickly), and - most importantly - costs a one-time purchase fee of $9000. That's it...no recurring licensing costs. Receiver availability has dogged FMeXtra for years but just two weeks ago the tabletop receivers arrived to the warehouse in Milpitas and are available for $199 through ArmstrongTX, Bext and Energy-Onix. FWIW, several countries in Europe have pounced on FMeXtra and are eating it up...so there's definitely enough demand to allow for large-scale production driving down costs. The original goal was a $100 tabletop radio and they hope to get there within 2 to 3 years. We'll see. But the $199 figure is a real one for right now. Worth noting - FMeXtra is focusing heavily on releasing a portable FMeXtra radio by years' end. This is a big deal because the OFDM basis of HD Radio is so power-hungry that a lot of people are openly starting to wonder how the hell we'll EVER make a portable HD Radio. If FMeXtra beats them to that punch, it'll be a noticeable coup. Car adapters for FMeXtra are also due within a few months. Although I warn all that the tabletops were coming "in a month or two" for nearly two years...so don't count on portable or car adapters until they're in your hands. They're also busting their asses to make a receiver that gets both FMeXtra and HD Radio signals...the holy grail, if you will. Also worth noting, FMeXtra depends on an analog carrier to function. So if/when HD Radio moves to the all-digital phase...FMeXtra will cease to exist. Of course, that could be 20 years away...so any FMeXtra adopter today will get their money's worth. Unlike HD Radio, which seems to require a lot of work to get a digital signal to mirror your existing analog coverage...FMeXtra tests have shown a viable FMeXtra signal out to the 60dBu with little or no fiddling. This is due largely to how FMeXtra is mostly riding on the back of FM whereas HD Radio is all but replacing it. I'm told they're lobbying to the FCC to amend the SCA injection rules to allow higher injection to achieve ranges out to the 40 and 50dBu contours. With digital white noise like FMeXtra, the higher injection doesn't cause the same crosstalk problems like an analog SCA does. Of course, one roadblock to FMeXtra deployment is that, as a replacement to analog SCA, it takes over the usual SCA frequencies. So if you have existing SCA renters, they'll have to migrate to your FMeXtra system and get new radios for their listeners. This could stymie growth on several larger stations. OTOH, a lot of college stations aren't using their SCA frequencies, so they could drive FMeXtra adoption to the point where larger stations can justify installing it. Ultimately, I can't say I recommend FMeXtra as a REPLACEMENT for HD Radio. It's just not designed to be that and I doubt it ever will be taken as such. But it certainly is a great complement. I strongly suspect we'll see more stations installing it as receivers get more plentiful in the next year or two. Audio demos and more info here: http://www.dreinc.com -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 13:00:18 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:00:18 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: I just decided to splurge and purchase an HD home tuner. The Sangean HDT-1 sells for $199.99 at "You-Do-It" in Needham and some other stores, as well as on line from the Sangean website. Using a 20% off "You-Do-It" coupon that was valid only on Presidents Day, I got it for $159.99 (plus tax). The programming on the HD-2's really is not much to write home about at this point, though I do enjoy the "Lost Classics and Deep Cuts" on WZLX HD-2. It sounds like an FM AOR playlist from around 25 or 30 years ago. Of course, the attraction is also no commercials or obnoxious patter, though that will change if/when the mode becomes more popular, with more people owning the receivers, and when the stations are allowed to try to make money from these channels. > > From: "Peter Q. George" > > The AM HD is not useable unless you happen to see > the towers or have a very LONG longwire. That doesn't seem to be true. Here in Somerville with the supplied wrapped loop antenna, I'm getting clean AM HD on the three Boston area stations broadcasting in that mode in the daytime, WBZ, WMKI and WXKS-AM. Another bonus about the HDT-1 is that although it's not mentioned anywhere in the printed specifications or in any promotional material, it also receives AM stereo in the old analog C-Quam mode. WJIB appears in AM stereo. However, it's unfortunately not wideband AM stereo, so WJIB appears with full stereo separation, but with the same cut-off, muddy high-end fidelity of conventional narrowband AM mono receivers. I guess I can't put away my mid-80's Sony wideband AM stereo tuner yet, on which WJIB sounds just about as good as analog FM stereo (in the daytime. There's often background noise at night). EP From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 22 13:54:52 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:54:52 -0700 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: >>Of course, the attraction is also no commercials or obnoxious patter, though that will change if/when the mode becomes more popular, with more people owning the receivers, and when the stations are allowed to try to make money from these channels.<< Experimental modes of broadcast must be, per FCC rules, non-commercial. Therefore, until HD Radio is a fully approved system, there will be no commercials on the secondary channels. It has nothing to do with receiver penetration or ratings. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Thu Feb 22 13:36:41 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:36:41 -0500 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives In-Reply-To: <17884.49057.388414.453376@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <45DCBEEC.5080307@ttlc.net> <17884.49057.388414.453376@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45DDE2B9.8030909@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I'd love to see the business case for that.... > > -GAWollman > Agreed. $25K for an entirely distinct broadcast (advertising opportunity) option. Where do I sign? Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 22 15:56:47 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:56:47 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> In her radio column today (Thursday, Feb 22nd) Clea Simon previews the episode of channel 5's "Chronicle" scheduled for tomorrow. Read all about it at: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2007/02/22/thanks_for_listening/ = Napa or Sonoma Limousine or Bus Tour Offering fine wine-tasting tours and luxury transportation. Tours of Wine Country, Sonoma Valley, Napa Valley and more. Click here for details. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=26f8b8965d8008031819ae0696b5e05a From me@billoneill.us Thu Feb 22 16:03:21 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> Laurence Glavin wrote: > In her radio column today (Thursday, Feb 22nd) Clea Simon previews > the episode of channel 5's "Chronicle" scheduled for tomorrow. Does WCVB store shows online for downloading? That's one I'd like to see. Bill O'Neill From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Feb 22 18:15:28 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:15:28 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> bill - i actually emailed the Chronicle producers earlier this week making the inquiry about particular features being available online - their response was negative owing to "music rights" issues. - - chuck igo From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Feb 22 20:08:18 2007 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:08:18 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: I have the TiVo set to record Chronicle but will be out of town next week. Is there a legal way to distribute the show to list members? Assuming it doesn't get recorded over during the week, I could burn DVDs. Paul From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 22 21:25:18 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:25:18 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> Set the retention date on that recording to "Until I Delete" Legally? IFF you get written permission[s] from the producers of Chronicle, all of the writers, each of the performers/hosts of the show, each of the people interviewed, all the publishers of all the musical compositions performed incidentally in the show, all the actors in all the commercials on the show, reproduction rights from Harry Fox, etc. Whew! Then, maybe you can do it. Of course, if you were to make an archival copy (of the show) on DVD for your own personal use and graciously allowed certain close and personal friends to borrow and view said archival DVD copy in the privacy of their own homes, then perhaps you might avoid some of the above efforts. However, each and every one of the above-mentioned close and personal friends would have to sign affidavits and swear on stack of bibles (Grandmother's included) that they would NOT (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) even think of making a copy of said archival DVD. The above is not to be construed or taken as legal advice, but simply the quite possibly mis-informed opinions of a well-intentioned poster on the BRI. I will gladly defer to those more well-informed on such issues. Roger Paul Anderson wrote: > I have the TiVo set to record Chronicle but will be out of town next > week. Is there a legal way to distribute the show to list members? > Assuming it doesn't get recorded over during the week, I could burn DVDs. > > Paul > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 21:54:48 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:54:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <653602.23949.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Sid Schweiger wrote: > Experimental modes of broadcast must be, per FCC > rules, non-commercial. > Therefore, until HD Radio is a fully approved > system, there will be no > commercials on the secondary channels. You mean it's *not* a "fully approved system" right now? I thought the only reason there were no commercials is because the HD consortium of operators agreed, in order to push the technology forward and to get faster public aceptance. Other than that, I don't think there's anything that stops a broadcaster from airing commercials on HD-2. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From rickkelly@gmail.com Thu Feb 22 22:42:27 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:42:27 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10702221942v5f203faay3f82c0eead083e88@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > Legally? IFF you get written permission[s] from the producers of > Chronicle, all of the writers, each of the performers/hosts of the show, > each of the people interviewed, all the publishers of all the musical > compositions performed incidentally in the show, all the actors in all > the commercials on the show, reproduction rights from Harry Fox, etc. > Whew! Then, maybe you can do it. Really? Wouldn't it be like an aircheck... it has gone out over the airwaves... perhaps I'm naive... -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 22 22:45:58 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:45:58 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10702221942v5f203faay3f82c0eead083e88@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> <521b7fd10702221942v5f203faay3f82c0eead083e88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17886.25462.416075.360415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Really? Wouldn't it be like an aircheck... it has gone out over the > airwaves... It would be like an aircheck and therefore illegal without the consent of all the copyright holders. The station has paid for the right to broadcast the material, but not for you to make copies of it. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 22 23:01:11 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:01:11 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <17886.25462.416075.360415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> <521b7fd10702221942v5f203faay3f82c0eead083e88@mail.gmail.com> <17886.25462.416075.360415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45DE6707.9070407@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Really? Wouldn't it be like an aircheck... it has gone out over the >> airwaves... > > It would be like an aircheck and therefore illegal without the consent > of all the copyright holders. The station has paid for the right to > broadcast the material, but not for you to make copies of it. And, like an aircheck, the station probably would turn a blind eye to individuals quietly circulating copies to other individuals without any financial gain involved...not that I'm telling you to do that, mind you. (Methinks there was at least a hint of tongue in Roger's cheek earlier, in other words.) I'm hopeful that WCVB will find some way to put at least segments of the show online. I know its creator would like it to be seen by as many people as possible. So would at least one of the interviewees :-) s From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 23 06:14:47 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:14:47 -0700 Subject: iBiquity HD Incentives Message-ID: >>You mean it's *not* a "fully approved system" right now?<< Correct. Every station which starts up HD signals must apply for an STA under the experimental operation rules. In the case of the primary HD signals, which are carrying a simulcast of the analog signal, the FCC is unofficially looking the other way. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From rickkelly@gmail.com Fri Feb 23 07:45:42 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:45:42 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show In-Reply-To: <45DE6707.9070407@fybush.com> References: <20070222205647.002941158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45DE0519.2020204@billoneill.us> <002801c756d7$8630c910$0301a8c0@Family> <45DE508E.1080000@ttlc.net> <521b7fd10702221942v5f203faay3f82c0eead083e88@mail.gmail.com> <17886.25462.416075.360415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <45DE6707.9070407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10702230445k1c36aba7lf67613167f255180@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/07, Scott Fybush wrote: > And, like an aircheck, the station probably would turn a blind eye to > individuals quietly circulating copies to other individuals without any > financial gain involved...not that I'm telling you to do that, mind you. And full streaming video on youtube.com? what might be the reaction to that? I'm just saying... -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sun Feb 25 11:22:31 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:22:31 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <5AB3B64B.08ADDD10.0CE337EB@aol.com> There are at this time 21 "clips" of WCVB Chronicle from the past on YouTube right now. Hopefully, in the next few days there will be a few more! ;-) -Sonny Daye . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Feb 25 17:05:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:05:36 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <20070225220536.31A1083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Well the show lasted for about 25 minutes so that may be a good share of it! I made DVD copies for a couple people who requested them (and as I don't have a DVD recorder, I have to make a special trip to see someone who converted the VHS for me, so I can't exactly send them to everyone who wants one...but at least I'm sending out 2 or 3 to those who requested a copy). >>There are at this time 21 "clips" of WCVB Chronicle from the past on YouTube right now. Hopefully, in the next few days there will be a few more! ;-) From lglavin@mail.com Sun Feb 25 13:13:30 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:13:30 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <20070225181330.B3459164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:22:31 -0500 >There are at this time 21 "clips" of WCVB Chronicle from the past >on YouTube right now. Hopefully, in the next few days there will be >a few more! ;-) >-Sonny Day Does channel 5 know about this? Have they done anything to get these clips expunged? Last week, they gave every indication that they did NOT want this material to appear elsewhere. = Custom Recognition and Reward Programs Recognizing and rewarding your employees for your desired behavior just got easier with Bill Sims Company programs. Create a customized program that's right for your company. Free DVD. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e659f8bb815b23276302faa4a7117d40 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Feb 25 23:54:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:54:18 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <20070226045418.AD32B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> I don't know if Ch 5 will ask YouTube to pull the clips but in case they do, you may want to view them before they're pulled...and you can save clips to your computer in this way: Save (cut) the URL of the YouTube clip (CNTRL + C) Go to http://www.keepvid.com and paste it (CNTRL + V) into the box and click the "YouTube" choice on the right. You can right click on the link that comes up. When you save the link it'll say get_video...retitle that and (important!) add a .flv to the end. It'll show up on your desktop as a flash video (most computers should have ways of playing flash, and if you don't, free flash players are around... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: SonnyDaye1@aol.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:13:30 -0500 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:22:31 -0500 > There are at this time 21 "clips" of WCVB Chronicle from the past > on YouTube right now. Hopefully, in the next few days there will > be a few more! ;-) > -Sonny Day Does channel 5 know about this? Have they done anything to get these clips expunged? Last week, they gave every indication that they did NOT want this material to appear elsewhere. = Custom Recognition and Reward Programs Recognizing and rewarding your employees for your desired behavior just got easier with Bill Sims Company programs. Create a customized program that's right for your company. Free DVD. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e659f8bb815b23276302faa4a7117d40 From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Mon Feb 26 10:32:45 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:32:45 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <67FC365A.636DDD73.0CE337EB@aol.com> Let me clarify. When I said: <<<<>>>>> I thought I was clear when I said "from the past". All the clips are from the past. None are from the show that we are discussing. A bunch of the clips are actually from the 20th anniversary show. -Sonny Daye . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 26 14:31:59 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:31:59 -0500 Subject: Clea Simon Article About "Chronicle" Radio Show Message-ID: <20070226193159.6DB0A49B6E1@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> oops, missed those few words! >>I thought I was clear when I said "from the past". All the clips are from the past. None are from the show that we are discussing. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Feb 26 16:41:14 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:41:14 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All Message-ID: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> The Boston Globe's consumer reporter Bruce Mohl (one of the Mohl men?) states that owners of new HDTV sets don't have to rely on cable or satellite TV companies for optimum reception. A more retro device may fill the bill perfectly well. Read all about it at: http://www.boston.com/business/personaltech/articles/2007/02/25/want_hdtv_without_paying_the_cable_bill_get_one_of_these/ = Access: online payment system Find new ways to get organized with American Express Bill Checker. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=92a51481b528bf83977fe4d50e9a0d04 From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Feb 26 18:46:33 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:46:33 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070226180529.025d9f40@BelloAssoc.com> "Shawn Feddeman , a spokeswoman for Comcast, said the cable giant guarantees its customers a high-quality interference-free picture, something an antenna cannot do. " Obviously, Ms Feddeman does not understand that with a digital signal either you get it or not. There is no snow or ghosting. I have used my old roof top antenna since purchasing a digital TV last year with only 1 channel having any issue in Natick which is only 4-5 miles from the Needham antenna farm. WBZ-DT does not come in as well as the others. Sometimes it does not register at all ! At 04:41 PM 2/26/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote: >The Boston Globe's consumer reporter Bruce Mohl (one of the Mohl men?) states >that owners of new HDTV sets don't have to rely on cable or satellite TV >companies for optimum reception. A more retro device may fill the bill >perfectly well. Read all about it at: > >http://www.boston.com/business/personaltech/articles/2007/02/25/want_hdtv_without_paying_the_cable_bill_get_one_of_these/ > > From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Feb 26 22:35:36 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:35:36 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <12635ED1-A2BB-4B22-94D1-EFEEF80572B4@mac.com> On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > The Boston Globe's consumer reporter Bruce Mohl (one of the Mohl > men?) states > that owners of new HDTV sets don't have to rely on cable or > satellite TV > companies for optimum reception. A more retro device may fill the > bill > perfectly well. Read all about it at: > > http://www.boston.com/business/personaltech/articles/2007/02/25/ > want_hdtv_without_paying_the_cable_bill_get_one_of_these/ > There must be a lot of interest in these high-tech gadgets called "antennas." This was the most e-mailed story on boston.com today, with 476 people sending it to their friends. The number 2 story was far behind at 312. Mark From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 27 09:00:53 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:00:53 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> I'm beginning to think one of those antenna thingys might not be a bad idea :) I have Comcast Digital cable with their DVR at my house and I see some strange things, particularly in HD. For example: On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of the show, the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get choppy. It did this until the first commercial break with was in SD then cleared up on return. Last night (Monday) while watching the Tonight Show, again in HD, as Jay moved his hands and, to a less noticable extent, his body, there was a red trailing ghost that lagged about 50ms. His hand movements looked like some kind of four handed juggling act. After a few minutes the picture jumped down to SD (4:3 - lower res) then back up to HD. Last Friday NBC sent out the SD version of "Las Vegas" on the HD channel. I'm truly unimpressed with the lack of HD channels on the system. Channels that I'd love to see in HD, like Discovery and Sci-Fi aren't. Channels like 38 running SD reruns on an HD carrier are a waster of bandwith. I'm paying a premium for this? Gee, sign me up for HD radio too! Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com > From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Feb 27 10:37:41 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:37:41 -0800 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <4C737DEA-0110-1000-CB40-CF3DE311884B-Webmail-10020@mac.com> On Tuesday, February 27, 2007, at 09:05AM, "Brian Vita" wrote: >I'm beginning to think one of those antenna thingys might not be a bad idea >:) > >I have Comcast Digital cable with their DVR at my house and I see some >strange things, particularly in HD. For example: > >On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of the show, >the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get choppy. It did >this until the first commercial break with was in SD then cleared up on >return. I had the same trouble with the radio Chronicle show. It was odd pixellation, with little lines running through the blocks - I'd never seen that kind of picture break-up before. It was really a shame to have so much interference on a show I wanted to keep. But this is not very typical of my HD experience. Usually everything I watch is flawless. You mentioned problems with channel 7, and my experience is that they have the most frequent problems, sometimes starting a show in SD and switching to HD after a few minutes. I also have Comcast so it's possible that their connection has something to do with this as well. Like you, I think they ought to move channel 38 off the HD bandwidth and make room for something else. Since UPN disappeared and the Friday night Red Sox games disappeared, channel 38 hardly has anything in HD at all. >I'm truly unimpressed with the lack of HD channels on the system. Channels >that I'd love to see in HD, like Discovery and Sci-Fi aren't. Comcast has Discovery Home Theatre in HD which often duplicates the regular Discovery , and NBC Universal has some SciFi shows. They keep adding channels so keep checking: National Geographic and Versus were just added this year. Mark From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 27 11:03:52 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:03:52 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> Brian Vita wrote: > I have Comcast Digital cable with their DVR at my house and I see some > strange things, particularly in HD. For example: > > On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of the show, > the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get choppy. It did > this until the first commercial break with was in SD then cleared up on > return. Did you experience this pixellation & choppy sound while watching live or from the DVR? Pixellation & choppy sound can be the result of poorly-corrected and/or excessive hard drive errors during playback i.e. bad sectors. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Tue Feb 27 11:49:12 2007 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:49:12 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <45E46108.9080503@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> "The most likely antenna converts are people who don't want to pay $500 to $600 a year for cable or satellite service, or people who want to watch CNN, ESPN, and the Red Sox on NESN but don't want to pay the cable company $5 to $11 a month extra for high definition programming." Did I understand the above correctly? Is NESN available over the air via DTV? -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Feb 27 12:45:32 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:45:32 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <45E46108.9080503@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio> <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> <45E46108.9080503@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <17892.28220.664386.759700@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > "The most likely antenna converts are people who don't want to pay $500 > to $600 a year for cable or satellite service, or people who want to > watch CNN, ESPN, and the Red Sox on NESN but don't want to pay the cable > company $5 to $11 a month extra for high definition programming." > Did I understand the above correctly? Is NESN available over the air > via DTV? No, you did not understand correctly. NESN is not available over the air; neither is CNN nor ESPN. They are, however, all available on basic cable, which is $5 to $11 cheaper than the basic digital tier, if you don't have a QAM tuner in your digital TV. -GAWollman From ewerme@comcast.net Tue Feb 27 13:42:32 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:42:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All Message-ID: <20070227184232.BD02E55936@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Roger Kirk asked: >Brian Vita wrote: >> I have Comcast Digital cable with their DVR at my house and I see some >> strange things, particularly in HD. For example: > >> On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of the show, >> the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get choppy. It did >> this until the first commercial break with was in SD then cleared up on >> return. >Did you experience this pixellation & choppy sound while watching live >or from the DVR? Pixellation & choppy sound can be the result of >poorly-corrected and/or excessive hard drive errors during playback i.e. >bad sectors. Interesting, I saw exactly the same pixelation and echoing sound early into the program. I tried stopping the DVR recording, because I think the settop box frequently gets overloaded and really fouls up the live rewind/fast forward functions. (It doesn't lose them, it just takes 15 seconds to process each.) Never heard that echoing (repeating 100+/- msec chunks of audio content for a few seconds) before. I have Comcast in Boscawen NH. Either a Comcast issue or perhaps WCVB was sending bad signal. Did any HD viewers _not_ see the problem? -Ric Werme From songbook2@comcast.net Tue Feb 27 15:18:04 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:18:04 -0800 Subject: "Dapper" O'Neil Sings Message-ID: <45E491FC.1000307@comcast.net> Since there is recent interest in the "Chronicle" of early Boston radio on this list, I thought that all of you Boston history fans would like to know that BostonPete.com has a CD for sale of the legendary politician, Dapper O'Neil - - - singing!! Here's a review and the link to the Boston Pete.com Store. Say, it's just in time to order for St=Pat's Day festivities, isn't it!! =Russ Butler "Dapper", in the truest sense of Boston politics, follows in the footsteps of his old friend, Mayor James Michael Curley. Albert L. "Dapper" O'Neil has always been a Voice of the people, and now his voice bellows out on these recordings as never before. http://www.bostonpete.com/rtcd-0002.html From lspin@comcast.net Tue Feb 27 16:38:35 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:38:35 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <20070227184232.BD02E55936@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070227184232.BD02E55936@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000f01c75ab7$a339fcf0$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I was watching/recording the Chronicle Show from SDTV and saw the weird block-pixelation, too. But I didn't think it was all that distracting from the program content. I've just purchased my first HDTV this week (the Sony 40" 720p LCD), and was planning to sign up for Comcast HD. Should I assume from the comments here that it's still worth the sign-up and monthly charge? Thanks, -Lou -----Original Message----- Interesting, I saw exactly the same pixelation and echoing sound early into the program. I tried stopping the DVR recording, because I think the settop box frequently gets overloaded and really fouls up the live rewind/fast forward functions. (It doesn't lose them, it just takes 15 seconds to process each.) Never heard that echoing (repeating 100+/- msec chunks of audio content for a few seconds) before. I have Comcast in Boscawen NH. Either a Comcast issue or perhaps WCVB was sending bad signal. Did any HD viewers _not_ see the problem? -Ric Werme From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Feb 27 17:00:35 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:00:35 -0500 Subject: "Dapper" O'Neil Sings In-Reply-To: <45E491FC.1000307@comcast.net> References: <45E491FC.1000307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000f01c75aba$b56dfe50$6600a8c0@tony> Dapper's "Irish Belly Dancer" is a classic! Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Russ Butler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:18 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Russ Butler; BostonPete.com Subject: "Dapper" O'Neil Sings Since there is recent interest in the "Chronicle" of early Boston radio on this list, I thought that all of you Boston history fans would like to know that BostonPete.com has a CD for sale of the legendary politician, Dapper O'Neil - - - singing!! Here's a review and the link to the Boston Pete.com Store. Say, it's just in time to order for St=Pat's Day festivities, isn't it!! =Russ Butler "Dapper", in the truest sense of Boston politics, follows in the footsteps of his old friend, Mayor James Michael Curley. Albert L. "Dapper" O'Neil has always been a Voice of the people, and now his voice bellows out on these recordings as never before. http://www.bostonpete.com/rtcd-0002.html From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 27 17:02:53 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:02:53 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD Message-ID: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> A post on a radio messageboard claimed that WILD was to go dark tomorrow; I didn't know whether to believe it or not and couldn't find info online. However a reply to the post had "inside info" that Salem was moving its stations into the studios that had been built for WILD (AM) and what was WILD-FM, now WKAF //WAAF...the post also said that Radio One just wasn't interested in running WILD anymore and either they were trying to get into the previous studios they used to have or might just go dark...with one possibility being that Salem could buy the daytimer. One Globe article in the past said that Radio One was probably going to sell WILD at some point. Haven't heard anything else about it but if WILD is missing from the radio dial in the next couple days, you know something is up...We'll see if this is true. From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 27 17:36:13 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:36:13 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD In-Reply-To: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45E46C0D.15820.DE037C@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2007 Bob Nelson wrote: > A post on a radio messageboard claimed that WILD was to go dark > tomorrow; I didn't know whether to believe it or not and couldn't find > info online. However a reply to the post had "inside info" that Salem > was moving its stations into the studios that had been built for WILD > (AM) and what was WILD-FM, now WKAF //WAAF...the post also said that > Radio One just wasn't interested in running WILD anymore and either > they were trying to get into the previous studios they used to have or > might just go dark...with one possibility being that Salem could buy > the daytimer. One Globe article in the past said that Radio One was > probably going to sell WILD at some point. > > Haven't heard anything else about it but if WILD is missing from the > radio dial in the next couple days, you know something is up...We'll > see if this is true. Anybody got some money to buy it and do progressive talk? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 27 17:42:49 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:42:49 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD References: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000b01c75ac0$c65db880$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I'll believe it when I DON'T hear it any more. Supposedly, Radio One spurned offers for WILD that were considered too low. Could it possibly be true that taking the station dark and taking a writeoff could make sense but a low price would make no sense and a higher price WOULD make sense? Somebody with a better understanding of finance than mine will have to explain to me how that scenario would work. Garrett? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Future of WILD > A post on a radio messageboard claimed that WILD was to go dark tomorrow; I didn't know whether to believe it > or not and couldn't find info online. However a reply to the post had "inside info" that Salem was moving its > stations into the studios that had been built for WILD (AM) and what was WILD-FM, now WKAF //WAAF...the > post also said that Radio One just wasn't interested in running WILD anymore and either they > were trying to get into the previous studios they used to have or might just go dark...with one possibility > being that Salem could buy the daytimer. One Globe article in the past said that Radio One was probably > going to sell WILD at some point. > > Haven't heard anything else about it but if WILD is missing from the radio dial in the next couple days, > you know something is up...We'll see if this is true. > From hykker@grolen.com Tue Feb 27 21:43:21 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:43:21 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD In-Reply-To: <000b01c75ac0$c65db880$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <000b01c75ac0$c65db880$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070227214200.019ac370@grolen.com> At 05:42 PM 2/27/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >I'll believe it when I DON'T hear it any more. Supposedly, Radio One spurned >offers for WILD that were considered too low. Could it possibly be true that >taking the station dark and taking a writeoff could make sense but a low >price would make no sense and a higher price WOULD make sense? And they're just diplexed off another station's stick aren't they? It's not like there's tower site real estate that's likely worth more than the license. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 27 22:31:35 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:31:35 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD References: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><000b01c75ac0$c65db880$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.0.20070227214200.019ac370@grolen.com> Message-ID: <000a01c75ae8$fda96c80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Yup. WILD uses one of WXKS (AM)'s towers. I'm pretty sure it's whichever one WXKS does not use by day. So, except during the post-sunset period when WILD runs at low power before signing off, it's not a true diplex. Given the surprising ratings success that 1150 had when it ran Black Gospel (satellite-fed, IIRC, with zero local content) before it was sold to Salem, I think that that format would be likely to do well on 1090--ratings-wise--even if selling it proved challenging because the audience would be mainly over 49 and mainly from relatively low-income demographics. There must be several satellite-delivered Black Gospel formats, so the station could be really cheap to run. You'd think that Radio One would want to LMA the station to someone who would run such a format and let whoever it was pocket whatever revenue was left from ad sales after covering the music license fees and the rent on the tower. I can't believe that CCU doesn't have a broom closet at 99 Revere Beach Parkway that WILD could use as a "studio." As long as the person or group that ran the LMA could cover the music fees and rent on the tower, Radio One would lose nothing. And if the person who ran the LMA was good at selling time, he or she might make a decent living. In its last years of running adult standards, WXKS (AM) allegedly grossed about $750,000 annually. One would think WILD could do 1/3 as much, which ought to provide positive cash flow for an owner who wasn't greedy. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Future of WILD > At 05:42 PM 2/27/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > >I'll believe it when I DON'T hear it any more. Supposedly, Radio One spurned > >offers for WILD that were considered too low. Could it possibly be true that > >taking the station dark and taking a writeoff could make sense but a low > >price would make no sense and a higher price WOULD make sense? > > > And they're just diplexed off another station's stick aren't > they? It's not like there's tower site real estate that's likely > worth more than the license. > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Tue Feb 27 22:37:37 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:37:37 -0500 Subject: WCVB-TV video of Chronicle from 2/23/07 Message-ID: <521b7fd10702271937y2a06cbe8vdab1234e0e8fd9ed@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure how this happened, but the WCVB-TV video of Chronicle from 2/23/07 has appeared on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4569021939106575335 Happy viewing... it certainly is GREAT! -- Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Feb 27 23:54:39 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Future of WILD In-Reply-To: <000a01c75ae8$fda96c80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070227220256.0AA5F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><000b01c75ac0$c65db880$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.0.20070227214200.019ac370@grolen.com> <000a01c75ae8$fda96c80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1081.66.65.49.10.1172638479.squirrel@gordsven.com> On Tue, February 27, 2007 22:31, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I can't believe > that CCU doesn't have a broom closet at 99 Revere Beach Parkway that WILD > could use as a "studio." Wasn't WILD 10-90 a fairly successful station while it was doing its R&B thing under Nash ownership? Seems that as soon as Radio One bought the thing, it all went to pot - with moving the music to FM, putting some network talk junk on AM and then switching that to gospel. Why couldn't Radio One just leave a good thing be? steph From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 28 00:52:34 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:52:34 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>, <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio>, <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <45E4D252.21499.5B6C00@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2007 at 11:03, Roger Kirk wrote: > > On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of > > the show, the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get > > choppy. It did this until the first commercial break with was in SD > > then cleared up on return. > > Did you experience this pixellation & choppy sound while watching live > or from the DVR? Pixellation & choppy sound can be the result of > poorly-corrected and/or excessive hard drive errors during playback > i.e. bad sectors. I sometimes get pixellation and choppy sound on a regular show on analog cable. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 28 03:05:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:05:24 -0500 Subject: WCVB-TV video of Chronicle from 2/23/07 Message-ID: <20070228080524.502CD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>I'm not sure how this happened, but the WCVB-TV video of Chronicle from 2/23/07 has appeared on Google Video: Interesting! I would suggest if you wish to download it to your desktop that people cut and paste that URL into the box at http://www.keepvid.com and choose Google Video as the source. Then you can right-click on one of the links, like the flash one; retitle the file and make sure you add .flv to the end of the file name (flash version only) If you have the Google Video Player and it's properly updated you might also be able to save it. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 28 03:09:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:09:42 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD Message-ID: <20070228080942.0188983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Anybody got some money to buy it and do progressive talk? Steve Mindich maybe? WFNX (AM), Boston's new home for prog. talk? From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Feb 28 07:03:00 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:03:00 -0500 Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <45E4D252.21499.5B6C00@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>, <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio>, <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> <45E4D252.21499.5B6C00@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <006501c75b30$6498ecd0$d600a8c0@johnster1> I saw and recorded the same digital break ups. Both in HD and there but a little less apparent in Analog. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:53 AM To: Roger Kirk Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All On 27 Feb 2007 at 11:03, Roger Kirk wrote: > > On the much debated Chronicle show, for the first 5-10 minutes of > > the show, the picture would block pixelate and the sound would get > > choppy. It did this until the first commercial break with was in SD > > then cleared up on return. > > Did you experience this pixellation & choppy sound while watching live > or from the DVR? Pixellation & choppy sound can be the result of > poorly-corrected and/or excessive hard drive errors during playback > i.e. bad sectors. I sometimes get pixellation and choppy sound on a regular show on analog cable. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Feb 28 10:01:56 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: A Broadcast TV License May Be Worth Something After All In-Reply-To: <006501c75b30$6498ecd0$d600a8c0@johnster1> References: <20070226214114.87AE51158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>, <001f01c75a77$b3c66440$690fa8c0@BrianVaio>, <45E45668.4050808@ttlc.net> <45E4D252.21499.5B6C00@joe.attorneyross.com> <006501c75b30$6498ecd0$d600a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <58843.12.37.144.130.1172674916.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Wed, February 28, 2007 07:03, John Mullaney wrote: > > I sometimes get pixellation and choppy sound on a regular show on analog Probably because whatever the feed to the cable company is digital. Or the source that the shows are recorded on. This kind of thing never happened when the whole air-chain (or cable-chain in this case) was analog. The worst I remember seeing was sometimes a crinkled videotape showing lines on screen. But it wasn't as bad as the picture stuttering to a halt and then the sound continuing for a bit more before the video caught up. steph From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 09:27:01 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:27:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Future of WILD In-Reply-To: <20070228080942.0188983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17767.66350.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Steve Mindich maybe? WFNX (AM), Boston's new home for prog. talk? Well, The Joseph Gallant School of Logic would claim that if Steve Mindich bought 1090, it would go Spanish -- after all, Steve Mindich is married to a woman of Hispanic descent, and he would want to program a station that would make her happy. Right? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Feb 28 13:57:42 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:57:42 -0500 Subject: FM pirates Message-ID: <8C9298175C2DE3D-111C-1625@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> Forwarded from another list: << 102.1 WRCI Radio Continental/Power FM appears to be off the air. It hasn't been heard over the past four days. The other major pirates are still going strong though; 91.3 Bel Mizik FM, 96.5 Boston, 102.9 WCFM Choice FM, and 106.1 WTCH-LP Touch FM. 91.3 Bel Mizik FM has a super signal, although suffering interference from 91.5 WMFO Medford along I-93 from the deck to Roosevelt Circle, the signal reaches as far north as Andover/Tewksbury on I-93 at Dascomb Road before 91.5 WUML starts to interfere. In contrast, the 2 kW signal of 102.9 Choice FM gets killed by co-channel WBLM north of Wilmington. 88.5 is a pirate graveyard, with the Boston Caribbean/Haitian station, Middle Eastern (presumed R.Free Cambridge), and "Off-Coast" rock all heard this week, plus the occasional satellite radio FM modulator. 96.5 seems to be making a run at capturing some of the 102.9 Choice FM listenership in the afternoon, broadcasting a high-energy soca club mix with frequent "Ocean Sounds" promos. 102.9 Choice FM has the popular "Soca Bash" weekday afternoons, a high-energy soca music program featuring mixes by "Digital Seduction" and a very entertaining hyper DJ. Bruce Conti - Nashua NH BAConti@aol.com http://members.aol.com/baconti/bamlog.htm >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 28 14:52:23 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:52:23 -0700 Subject: FM pirates Message-ID: >>91.3 Bel Mizik FM has a super signal, although suffering interference from 91.5 WMFO Medford along I-93 from the deck to Roosevelt Circle, the signal reaches as far north as Andover/Tewksbury on I-93 at Dascomb Road before 91.5 WUML starts to interfere.<< Thanks for the best laugh of the day. Pirates being interfered with?????? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 28 14:56:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:56:42 -0500 Subject: Future of WILD Message-ID: <20070228195643.76B5949B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Someone who says he/she works for WILD mentioned on radio-info that WILD is not going dark; instead they will move their facility to "a production room in Salem's building". They didn't say whether or not this means Salem is buying them or whether they're just renting that space... (and if Salem were to buy them, would the black talk/black gospel format stay?) From songbook2@comcast.net Wed Feb 28 16:05:08 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:05:08 -0800 Subject: AM Radio coverage Message-ID: <45E5EE84.7030509@comcast.net> Speaking of AM radio station coverage on this list recently, I remember that it wasn't unusual for WBZ's Norm Nathan's late-night telephone conversations to include a caller from London or other countries "across the pond" with their Hull, MA salt water-grounded transmitter site. Also, I found this comment online from John Rook (dot) com, a former Program Director at KFI in Los Angeles: / KFI, at 640 on AM dial in Los Angeles is known as the nation?s most powerful radio station. Listeners from Hawaii to New York and Canada to Mexico for years tuned in to hear Dodger games exclusively on the station. The premium facility had been sold to Cox Communications of Atlanta for a record breaking $15 million cash in 1973, then the highest price ever paid for a radio station./ From markwats@comcast.net Wed Feb 28 16:37:12 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:37:12 -0500 Subject: Celtics Radio Analyst Will Apologize For Remark About Referee Message-ID: <003801c75b80$9de3ec10$af86e847@Mark> Boston Celtics radio analyst (and former Celtics player) Cedric Maxwell will apologize on the air during tonight's broadcast of the Celtics game which will air on WEEI (instead of WRKO the regular Celtics home) for remarks made during the broadcast of Monday night's game about a female referee who made a call he disagreed with. Here is a link to an article on the Boston Globe website: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/02/28/celtics_broadcaster_to_offer_on_air_apology_for_sexist_remark/ Mark Watson From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 28 16:37:48 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:37:48 -0500 Subject: FM pirates In-Reply-To: <8C9298175C2DE3D-111C-1625@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c75b80$bd60d5d0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> The middle eastern 88.5 is actually not Cambridge. I found it on Sunday, it's not far from Fox 25's studios in Dedham. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of markwa1ion@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:58 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: FM pirates > > Forwarded from another list: > > << > 102.1 WRCI Radio Continental/Power FM appears to be off the air. It > hasn't been heard over the past four days. The other major pirates are > still going strong though; 91.3 Bel Mizik FM, 96.5 Boston, 102.9 WCFM > Choice FM, and 106.1 WTCH-LP Touch FM. 91.3 Bel Mizik FM has a super > signal, although suffering interference from 91.5 WMFO Medford along > I-93 from the deck to Roosevelt Circle, the signal reaches as far north > as Andover/Tewksbury on I-93 at Dascomb Road before 91.5 WUML starts to > interfere. In contrast, the 2 kW signal of 102.9 Choice FM gets killed > by co-channel WBLM north of Wilmington. 88.5 is a pirate graveyard, > with the Boston Caribbean/Haitian station, Middle Eastern (presumed > R.Free Cambridge), and "Off-Coast" rock all heard this week, plus the > occasional satellite radio FM modulator. 96.5 seems to be making a run > at capturing some of the 102.9 Choice FM listenership in the afternoon, > broadcasting a high-energy soca club mix with frequent "Ocean Sounds" > promos. 102.9 Choice FM has the popular "Soca Bash" weekday > afternoons, a high-energy soca music program featuring mixes by > "Digital Seduction" and a very entertaining hyper DJ. > > Bruce Conti - Nashua NH > BAConti@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/baconti/bamlog.htm > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 28 17:09:23 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:09:23 -0500 Subject: AM Radio coverage References: <45E5EE84.7030509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c75b85$1f99ce60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> You can slice it any way you like, but KFI never could legitimately have been described as the most powerful AM station in the US. Because it operates on 640 kHz, however, KFI is the lowest-frequency Class A (ex-Class IA) AM in the US, although Canada and Mexico have such stations on 540. Since KFI runs 50 kW-U ND-U from an approximately half-wave tower (or it did before a private plane toppled the tower a couple of years ago), if you rank it on the basis of antenna efficiency, it is slightly below the middle of the pack of Class A stations. Since the plane crash, KFI has been operating at reduced power from a very short and inefficient tower. After long and bitter negotiations with the FAA, private pilots, and NIMBY neighbors, KFI recertly announced plans to replace the fallen tower with a slightly shorter but much more massive top-loaded structure of equal electrical efficiency. Those plans have yet to be approved by some of the parties who must sign off, however. If you compare KFI with directional 50-kW stations (mostly Class Bs), some of which have very high-gain antennas that produce phenomanally high effective power over a very narrow arc (albeit with RMS field strength over 360 degrees usually considerably lower than KFI's), KFI is not even in the same league. Amomg US stations, honors for highest field strength go to WWJ Detroit (effectively 800 kW--depending on how you figure it). Among nondirectional 50-kW stations in the US, the honors probably go to KDKA, which uses a segmented radiator of unconventional design to achieve higher efficiency than is possible with either a conventional radiator or a top-loaded radiator. KFBK Sacramento uses two segemented Franklin radiators in a directional array. KSTP St Paul uses a segmented radiator for its nondirectional daytime operation but uses conventional half-wave towers for its directional operation at night. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: AM Radio coverage > Speaking of AM radio station coverage on this list recently, I remember > that it wasn't unusual for WBZ's Norm Nathan's late-night telephone > conversations to include a caller from London or other countries "across > the pond" with their Hull, MA salt water-grounded transmitter site. > > Also, I found this comment online from John Rook (dot) com, a former > Program Director at KFI in Los Angeles: > / > KFI, at 640 on AM dial in Los Angeles is known as the nation?s most > powerful radio station. Listeners from Hawaii to New York and Canada to > Mexico for years tuned in to hear Dodger games exclusively on the > station. The premium facility had been sold to Cox Communications of > Atlanta for a record breaking $15 million cash in 1973, then the highest > price ever paid for a radio station./ From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Feb 28 17:42:06 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:42:06 -0500 Subject: Mystery Top Loaded, Low Frequency tower, in Hamilton, Mass Message-ID: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Does anyone off hand know what the huge (for Hamilton standards) low frequency Tower with a large "capacity hat" that sits just west of Route 1A in downtown Hamilton, does for a living? The guys are insulated and it actually sits on top of (or through) a building one street over from the main drag near Railroad aver. The building houses an fitness training center on the first floor. I tried "Hamilton" in the FCC database but nothing jumped out at me...just wondering? Roger WA1KAT From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Feb 28 17:44:29 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:44:29 -0500 Subject: Mystery Top Loaded, Low Frequency tower, in Hamilton, Mass In-Reply-To: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <17894.1485.458057.128415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The guys are insulated and it actually sits on top of (or through) a > building one street over from the main drag near Railroad aver. The building > houses an fitness training center on the first floor. I believe that's the temporary 1570 site. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 28 17:51:05 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:51:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mystery Top Loaded, Low Frequency tower, in Hamilton, Mass In-Reply-To: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <40124.66.195.169.98.1172703065.squirrel@webmail12.pair.com> > Does anyone off hand know what the huge (for Hamilton standards) low > frequency Tower with a large "capacity hat" that sits just west of Route > 1A > in downtown Hamilton, does for a living? > > The guys are insulated and it actually sits on top of (or through) a > building one street over from the main drag near Railroad aver. The > building > houses an fitness training center on the first floor. > > I tried "Hamilton" in the FCC database but nothing jumped out at me...just > wondering? I do believe this was where WNSH went after it lost its original Danvers site, near the mall. The studios first went to a wharf in Salem (I think it was Salem), and for a while the studios and transmitter were in that building in Hamilton. I think the studios were up on the second floor. Keating Willcox surely can take the story from there, as I believe he was the one who then moved WNSH to Endicott College, where its transmitter now sits. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 28 17:52:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:52:02 -0500 Subject: Mystery Top Loaded, Low Frequency tower, in Hamilton, Mass References: <001101c75b89$ad130320$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <17894.1485.458057.128415@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001f01c75b8b$13e36580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> You mean Keating abandoned Endicott College and the ground system atop solid rock? Had to qualify as one of the worst AM grounds anywhere--although salt water wasn't far away. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Mystery Top Loaded, Low Frequency tower, in Hamilton, Mass > < said: > > > The guys are insulated and it actually sits on top of (or through) a > > building one street over from the main drag near Railroad aver. The building > > houses an fitness training center on the first floor. > > I believe that's the temporary 1570 site. > > -GAWollman > From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 28 17:14:07 2007 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:14:07 -0500 Subject: AM Radio Coverage Message-ID: <380-22007232822147311@M2W021.mail2web.com> I remember that when we lived in Portugal, in the mid to late 1950's, my Dad would listen to WABC during the evening. He wanted to listen to WBZ, but couldn't because of the cardiod (sp?) pattern of BZ which sent most of the signal west. Are my recollections faulty? Jon, former engineer at WMEX 1510 68-70 WCOP AM/FM 70-75 WVMT 77-79 Russ Butler wrote: > Speaking of AM radio station coverage on this list recently, I remember that it wasn't unusual for WBZ's Norm Nathan's late-night telephone conversations to include a caller from London or other countries "across the pond" with their Hull, MA salt water-grounded transmitter site. > > Also, I found this comment online from John Rook (dot) com, a former Program Director at KFI in Los Angeles: > / > KFI, at 640 on AM dial in Los Angeles is known as the nation?s most powerful radio station. Listeners from Hawaii to New York and Canada to Mexico for years tuned in to hear Dodger games exclusively on the station. The premium facility had been sold to Cox Communications of Atlanta for a record breaking $15 million cash in 1973, then the highest price ever paid for a radio station./ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Feb 28 23:13:07 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:13:07 -0500 Subject: AM Radio Coverage In-Reply-To: <380-22007232822147311@M2W021.mail2web.com> References: <380-22007232822147311@M2W021.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070228231048.025e8d68@BelloAssoc.com> Jon, you have it correct. Although Norm Nathan received callers from "across the pond", I doubt they were listening via radio. WBZ's signal is very directional to the east, Why waste any signal so the fish can listen ? Coverage is poor on Cape Cod also. Ron, former engineer at WBZ 1975-76 At 05:14 PM 2/28/2007, w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com wrote: >I remember that when we lived in Portugal, in the mid to late 1950's, my >Dad would listen to WABC during the evening. He wanted to listen to WBZ, >but couldn't because of the cardiod (sp?) pattern of BZ which sent most of >the signal west. Are my recollections faulty? > >Jon, former engineer at >WMEX 1510 68-70 >WCOP AM/FM 70-75 >WVMT 77-79 > >Russ Butler wrote: > > Speaking of AM radio station coverage on this list recently, I remember >that it wasn't unusual for WBZ's Norm Nathan's late-night telephone >conversations to include a caller from London or other countries "across >the pond" with their Hull, MA salt water-grounded transmitter site. > > > > Also, I found this comment online from John Rook (dot) com, a former >Program Director at KFI in Los Angeles: > > / > > KFI, at 640 on AM dial in Los Angeles is known as the nation?s most >powerful radio station. Listeners from Hawaii to New York and Canada to >Mexico for years tuned in to hear Dodger games exclusively on the station. >The premium facility had been sold to Cox Communications of Atlanta for a >record breaking $15 million cash in 1973, then the highest price ever paid >for a radio station./ > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - >http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 28 23:25:09 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:25:09 -0500 Subject: AM Radio Coverage In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070228231048.025e8d68@BelloAssoc.com> References: <380-22007232822147311@M2W021.mail2web.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070228231048.025e8d68@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <45E655A5.9030707@fybush.com> Ron Bello wrote: > > Jon, you have it correct. > > Although Norm Nathan received callers from "across the pond", I doubt > they were listening via radio. > WBZ's signal is very directional to the east, Why waste any signal so > the fish can listen ? > Coverage is poor on Cape Cod also. > > Ron, former engineer at WBZ 1975-76 That's correct where southern Europe is concerned. Follow the great circles, though, and all those DXers in Finland and Norway and Sweden were and are getting WBZ over a northern path; the same lobe that bombs the signal into New Hampshire and Maine blasts it into Scandinavia, too. s