From scott@fybush.com Wed Aug 1 00:46:07 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:46:07 -0400 Subject: Fybush on the radio again - this time ABOUT radio... Message-ID: <46B0100F.6030700@fybush.com> So we officially launch our new HD Radio signals at WXXI later today, and guess who gets to host the special edition of "1370 Connection" to talk about it? Your friendly Rochester radio geek will be live on the air on WXXI 1370, WXXI-FM 91.5-HD2, and streaming at wxxi.org from 12-1 PM EDT (repeated at 9 PM EDT), and you're all welcome to tune in - and to call in, too, at 585-263-9994, if the mood strikes. s From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 14:08:45 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:08:45 -0400 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... Message-ID: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to the new frequency. What do I hear at 2PM? "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" ...all while listening to 1110AM. If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' in the ID at all. Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they want? Jeesh... ;-) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 1 14:18:14 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:18:14 -0400 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... In-Reply-To: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46B0CE66.4030303@ttlc.net> Why not? When I worked at another company, the IT department accidentally switched phone hookups between my office and the cube next to me. Their solution? Just relabel the phones! Don A wrote: > I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to > the new frequency. > > What do I hear at 2PM? > > "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" > > ...all while listening to 1110AM. > > If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' > in the ID at all. > > Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they > want? > > Jeesh... > > ;-) > > > > > From haverhill01835@comcast.net Wed Aug 1 14:28:34 2007 From: haverhill01835@comcast.net (haverhill01835@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:28:34 +0000 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... Message-ID: <080120071828.19857.46B0D0D20001307D00004D9122068136130C050303@comcast.net> I was listening on the way to work this morning and the ID was proper at 0900hrs (WCCM Salem/Lawrence)...my guess is either it was a live "slip" or an old ID mucking up the automation...however...a clarification from the tech folks in the audience: What is/are the rules when it comes to an id with two cities across state borders (Salem NH/Lawrence MA) AND when there are two cities of the same name within 30 miles of each other (meaning Salem NH and Salem MA)? Marc Lemay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Don A" > I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to the > new frequency. > > What do I hear at 2PM? > > "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" > > ...all while listening to 1110AM. > > If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' in > the ID at all. > > Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they want? > > Jeesh... > > ;-) > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:14:26 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:14:26 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list Message-ID: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Donna Does this list look accurate to you. I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I believe they came on the air in November of 1957 http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 1 18:36:43 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:36:43 -0400 Subject: Entercom Suffers Loss Due to... Message-ID: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> R&R today reported that Entercom's net income per share dropped in Q2 to a loss of 32 cents a share because of a $45+ million charge for "impairment of goodwill." Anybody on the list that can explain "impairment of goodwill"? From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 1 18:16:27 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:16:27 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070801221628.C3FB110532@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:14 PM 8/1/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Donna > >Does this list look accurate to you. Actually, I see several things that I question. Let me grab my files and check into it further. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 1 19:06:12 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:06:12 -0400 Subject: Entercom Suffers Loss Due to... In-Reply-To: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> References: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18097.4580.313583.656670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > R&R today reported that Entercom's net income per share dropped in Q2 to > a loss of 32 cents a share because of a $45+ million charge for > "impairment of goodwill." > Anybody on the list that can explain "impairment of goodwill"? IANAA, but sure. When one company purchases another, or buys, sells, or exchanges businesses, there are generally two values involved. The first value is the value of the asset as an operating business, with whatever presence in the marketplace it may have. If the purchaser paid cash for the other business, then this value is equal to the consideration paid. (Things get squidgy when you have exchanges of supposedly-equal-valued assets, but that's what they pay the accounts the big bucks to figure out.) The second value is the value at which the asset is actually being carried on the seller's books, or "book value". This value does not reflect, for example, the value that a station gets from name recognition, hiring good talent, its sales force, and so on, but just the economic cost of acquiring and maintaining the business, both tangible (e.g., real estate, transmitters, studio furniture) and intangible (e.g., licenses). As the foregoing suggests, it is normal for these two values to disagree. In accordance with the principles of accounting, however, no transaction can create or destroy value; all bookkeeping entries must balance out to zero. So if company B purchases business C from company A for $10 million, but the book value C is only $8 million, the other $2 million must somehow be accounted for. The way modern accounting does this is by presuming there is some intangible asset associated with C that made B's presumed-rational executives pay more than book value for it, and that asset is called "goodwill". Under current accounting practice, this goodwill remains on the books of the acquiring company until either the business it is associated with it is sold, or some business event or new understanding of the marketplace requires the company to reduce its estimate of the value of the business. The resulting reduction is called "impairment of goodwill". (There are specific accounting rules about how and when this is supposed to happen. Previously, goodwill was depreciated like other assets, but for various reasons the financial standards people decided that this was not a good idea. Now public companies must "test for impairment" of goodwill in certain circumstances and promptly report material changes to shareholders.) -GAWollman (Proving once again that one can learn a lot by reading the annual reports of companies one invests in.) From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 1 20:32:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:32:54 -0400 Subject: WAMG files for augmentation of new night pattern Message-ID: <001801c7d49c$b0101860$5da84c0c@SatU205S5044> As usually happens when AMs install new directional patterns, WAMG has found that its new 6-kW night pattern requires augmentation and has filed to add four rather innocuous-looking augmentations--at 14, 166, 237, and 314.5 degrees, each with a 20-degree span. In particular, the two southerly augmentations (at 166 and 237 degrees) are almost invsible on the polar plot of the pattern. The time that has elapsed since testing began (anyone remember when that was? my guess is around March) does seem a bit long but I'm sure the delay is far from unprecedented. In any event, the FCC filing mentions that an application for license to cover was being filed concurrently, although I did not notice any such application in today's FCC actions. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 01:02:11 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:02:11 -0500 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Aug 2007 at 16:14, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 2 02:36:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:36:24 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20070802063625.80CC744C311@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:02 AM 8/2/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Aug 2007 at 16:14, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I > > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > >That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. I've got the newspaper article about it, in fact-- but I am heading out of town, so I can't give you an exact date till later tonight. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 05:32:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:32:13 -0400 Subject: Pahigian In-Reply-To: <017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <660301.996.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020232u1be56cd6hb380902be3574a9@mail.gmail.com> The Globe on Thursday writes that Cary Pahigian is Howie's agent. On 7/13/07, Don A wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Smyth" > To: "Don A" ; "BRI" > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: Pahigian > > > > Don A wrote: > >> I was reading the complaint that Howie Carr's lawyers drew up > >> charging WRKO > >> with interfering with his right to make his deal with WTKK. (It was > >> made > >> available on the BostonHerald.com website.) > >> > >> At the bottom of the complaint is a "cc:" to Howie Carr...and Carey > >> Pahigian. > >> > >> Just curious....what does Carey Pahigian have to do with this whole > >> Howie Carr episode? > > > > One of his stations airs Carr's show. > > That's it? > > His show airs on many other stations too....and they weren't cc'd. > > From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 06:46:48 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:46:48 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried "Night Games" only due to the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list Donna Does this list look accurate to you. I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I believe they came on the air in November of 1957 http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 2 07:59:37 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:59:37 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI Message-ID: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 08:46:31 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games are on WEEI - part of the deal to keep them in the loop. --- Roger Kirk wrote: > Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 08:49:04 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy adult. --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried > "Night Games" only due to > the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to > KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred > prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list > > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:53:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:53:38 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020653l217a4124rb6e9f483741f0b1d@mail.gmail.com> I am certain that WWEL-FM did the games in 1978 and they moved to WPLM-FM the next year setting up the move to make PLM the flagship a couple of years later. If my braincells are intact I believe both WWEL and WTTK flipped the same day (January 1, 1979 ) ( to WXKS and WHUE ) On 8/2/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I > used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the > switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox > and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young > teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy > adult. > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:59:21 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:59:21 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020659i75c7df8dk795616fda51551f8@mail.gmail.com> checking the archives it says WHDH-TV made its debut as an ABC affiliate November 26, 1957, from the new WHDH AM/FM/TV building at 50 Morrissey Boulevard in Dorchester, and transmitter on Chestnut Street http://www.bostonradio.org/stations/1912.html One error in that however. When Channel 5 first went on the air they had their studios in on St James Ave in the Payne Furniture Building. They nove to Dorchester about a year later. On 8/2/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:08:39 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:08:39 -0400 Subject: Pahigian References: <660301.996.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com><017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <4fc429770708020232u1be56cd6hb380902be3574a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <015001c7d517$763cab00$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Don A" Cc: "BRI" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: Re: Pahigian > The Globe on Thursday writes that Cary Pahigian is Howie's agent. Thanks to the Globe, the mystery is solved... I'm surprised no one (I mean no one) knew this..... Isn't he still running the cluster in Portland? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:10:50 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games > are on WEEI... Well, no...THAT makes sense.... Not to me...but it makes sense. ;-) I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble figuring out which station it's on all the time these days. I guess with cross ownership, it doesn't matter who the arbitron credit goes to? From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:18:34 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <605728.72840.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Don A wrote: > > I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble > figuring out which > station it's on all the time these days. > Which is the standing joke on the Big Show. The Sox had to be daft to go along with this, but I guess the check was big enough. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 12:49:04 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kim Khazei returning to WHDH 7 News Message-ID: <128034.40232.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Buried deep in today's Herald (in the business section): http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/media/view.bg?articleid=1014768 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Aug 2 16:13:04 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:13:04 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Entercom wanted to prop up the sagging ratings of WRKO and generate some new cume to The Talk Station. Both WRKO and WEEI are now tied in the ratings 12+, even though WRKO is much lower than WEEI in the 25-54 demos that agencies prefer. WRKO does not want to pre-empt Rush, or they may not be able to contractually, so I can understand the weekday games moving to WEEI. The Wednesday night thing was not well thought out. WEEI is marketing it as "Red Sox Wednesday" complete with interviews with players and management throughout the day (similar to Patriots Monday) followed by the game that night. I suppose it makes sense from a sales standpoint, but it's confusing for the average listener. Of course, if you listen to any of the other WEEI stations, they air all of the games. In Worcester you can get every game on both WVEI (1440) and WCRN (830). Obviously WEEI does not promote the WCRN broadcasts, but it's the superior signal in Worcester county, especially at night. I guess that can be confusing too. WCRN got a small bump up in the Worcester book this spring, largely due to the Sox. Interestingly, if you add up the three WEEI stations ratings in Worcester (they all appear--1440, 850 and 103.7) WEEI would be fourth or fifth overall 12+. If Entercom could figure out a way to get that 830 signal and put WVEI on it, they could be a top three station in Worcester, at least during Red Sox season. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Don A wrote: >> All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games >> are on WEEI... > > Well, no...THAT makes sense.... > > Not to me...but it makes sense. ;-) > > I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble figuring out which > station it's on all the time these days. > > I guess with cross ownership, it doesn't matter who the arbitron > credit goes to? > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 16:28:56 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Message-ID: <83598.13278.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- David Tomm wrote: If Entercom could figure out a way to get that 830 signal and put WVEI on it, they could be a top three station in Worcester, at least during Red Sox season. _____ Which begs the question of what will happen to 830 if/when Howie Carr leaves WRKO. Would they want to ditch Peter Blute and put Howie on in the morning (assuming WTKK is open to a syndication deal), or would they try a local show in the afternoon? Under these possible distress circumstances Entercom might be able to pick them up. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 17:07:37 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:07:37 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c7d549$281c4a20$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Since I HATED Disco back then, I wasn't a "KISS" listener (or a 'BOS listener in '78, though I was at a party in '78 where they were playing disco on WBOS...the only reason I even remembered that 'BOS had disco) Remember the Bumper Stickers (Same colors/format as the legit KISS stickers of 1979) that said "KISS OFF DISCO S**KS" -Paul H (A regular 'COZ listener in that 78-79 time frame) And BTW, I was JUST barely past my teens in 78-79 (20-21 yo) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:49 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: RE: att Donna Red Sox announcer list I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy adult. --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried > "Night Games" only due to > the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to > KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred > prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list > > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 16:13:01 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Also, don't forget WHDH-FM 94.5 ("AM85/FM95" on billboards back in the day) from 1948 until around 1971. Many times, it was not a straight simulcast of the games as some Red Sox ads were AM only or FM only. I recalled during the "Impossible Dream" season of 1967, I had a portable GE AM/FM radio and switched back and forth between the AM and FM sides and wondered why the ads were "different". I stayed with the FM side as the games sounded much cleaner, especially when they were home games (during away games, they used 5 kHz telco loops). -Pete --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 17:01:51 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:01:51 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004001c7d548$59cb5d50$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> They're on 'EEI every Wednesday this season... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:00 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Red Sox on WEEI Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 2 23:54:21 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:54:21 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> WRKO is running a promo questioning: "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 3 01:47:54 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:47:54 -0500 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com>, <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2007 at 13:13, Peter Q. George wrote: > Also, don't forget WHDH-FM 94.5 ("AM85/FM95" on billboards back in > the day) from 1948 until around 1971. Many times, it was not a > straight simulcast of the games as some Red Sox ads were AM only or > FM only. I recalled during the "Impossible Dream" season of 1967, I > had a portable GE AM/FM radio and switched back and forth between > the AM and FM sides and wondered why the ads were "different". I > stayed with the FM side as the games sounded much cleaner, > especially when they were home games (during away games, they used > 5 kHz telco loops). Well, by 1967, the FCC was requiring separate programming on AM-FM combos in large markets. So the ability to run separate ads on AM and FM during the games was possible. I doubt that they ran separate ads when they were doing 100% simulcasting. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 06:00:58 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:00:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> That promo has been running for quite a while, actually. What's interesting is how WTKK runs promos saying they are "Boston's only full time talk station" and even "Boston's only talk station". Well, if they're digging at WRKO (for Red Sox pre-emptions) I'll give them that, but WTTT 1150 IS full time talk...Meanwhile, as we know, WRKO's franchise player is dying to bolt to FM. ("Someone" at Entercom just leaked what is supposedly Howie's salary to the Globe...a figure close to the "800 large" his listeners have accused him of getting...trying to knock down Howie for saying he works at slave wages). Let's just say that right now WRKO needs Howie a lot more than Howie needs WRKO. Howie has made references over the air--recently he talked about his Cape Cod affiliate, WXTK-FM 95,1, and he said something like "I like those call letters"... think of the "TK" and "FM" parts... :) On 8/2/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > WRKO is running a promo questioning: > > "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out > of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:22:48 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:22:48 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030422q573fd7a2od74fd3c3c19f12b4@mail.gmail.com> From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 09:31:10 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:31:10 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:01:52 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:01:52 -0400 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030701ic92f4dalee9acab7814944f5@mail.gmail.com> When I went to prep school in Rhode Island I used to be able to hear Bruins games on HDH-FM ( 64-68) as the AM signal didn't exist in Woonsocket at night. They used to bump the Celtics games there a lot when both played the same night. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:25:21 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:25:21 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI On 8/3/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > That promo has been running for quite a while, actually. What's > interesting is how WTKK > runs promos saying they are "Boston's only full time talk station" and > even "Boston's > only talk station". Well, if they're digging at WRKO (for Red Sox > pre-emptions) I'll > give them that, but WTTT 1150 IS full time talk...Meanwhile, as we know, > WRKO's > franchise player is dying to bolt to FM. ("Someone" at Entercom just leaked > what is supposedly Howie's salary to the Globe...a figure close to the > "800 large" > his listeners have accused him of getting...trying to knock down Howie for > saying he works at slave wages). > > Let's just say that right now WRKO needs Howie a lot more than Howie needs > WRKO. > > Howie has made references over the air--recently he talked about his Cape > Cod > affiliate, WXTK-FM 95,1, and he said something like "I like those call > letters"... > think of the "TK" and "FM" parts... :) > > On 8/2/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > > WRKO is running a promo questioning: > > > > "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out > > of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:40:01 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:40:01 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030740y67a6c47fv51379072ffed3a5d@mail.gmail.com> WIND at 560 had a signal many 50K's would love. On 8/3/07, Doug Drown wrote: > > --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what > WBZ's DJs used to get. > -Doug > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 09:50:48 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Well, by 1967, the FCC was requiring separate > programming on AM-FM > combos in large markets. So the ability to run > separate ads on AM > and FM during the games was possible. I doubt that > they ran separate > ads when they were doing 100% simulcasting. WHDH-FM was a 100% simulcast until 1965 when they moved the transmitter from the Old Hancock Tower to the Channel 5 tower in Newton. At the same time they initiated Stereo operation for the first time. The station aired a background music format with a couple of MOR selections for good measure. In 1967, they experimented with what would be called Progressive Rock (automated of course). I'd never heard anything like it before. Imagine hearing something from Ray Conniff followed by "Incense And Pepermints" from the Strawberry Alarm Clock! But that was being aired on 'HDH-FM until the middle of 1968. Harold J. Clancy, who was oblvious to what aired on the FM finally got wind of it and said "There is NO way THAT kind of music will be aired on WHDH-FM!" And so the 'HDH-FM foray into Progressive Rock ended quietly. But it was no BIG loss as WBCN was already going gangbusters with "The American Revolution" (now 24/7 Progressive Rock). Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Aug 3 11:37:50 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:37:50 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what WBZ's DJs used to get. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI > > In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left > to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. > > So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 3 11:46:17 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:46:17 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net><1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com><46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708030740y67a6c47fv51379072ffed3a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01c7d5e5$72a82e00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Not unique to Chicago! 5-kW WEZE has a signal that 50-kW WWZN would die for and that soon-to-be 50-kW WKOX would also die for. Barring a screwup in the transmitter location or real bad interference at night, a medium-power low-on-the-dial AM usually covers better than a high-on-the-dial 50-kW AM. The one exception that comes to mind (not that there aren't many others) is in Tampa Bay, which has no 50 kW AMs. There, 5-kW 570 (licensed to Pinellas Park, north of Tampa) has such a tight directional pattern (to the south-southwest to protect 580 in Orlando) that the station has no coverage inland. Signal is OK in Tampa, St Pete, and Clearwater, but a lot of the metro population lives east of those places. In fact, the owner of 570 (Salem) also bought 910 in Plant City, about 30 miles east of Tampa, to cover the inland part of the market. Last I knew, 910 was // 570, but that may have changed. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > WIND at 560 had a signal many 50K's would love. > > > > On 8/3/07, Doug Drown wrote: > > > > > --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what > > WBZ's DJs used to get. > > -Doug > > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 12:55:15 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:15 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net><1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01c7d5ef$59f559a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI I heard Ordway is at about 400k. From hmadjid@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:17:36 2007 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:17:36 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: (Can't figure out who) wrote: >In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left >to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. >So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? That 1970s $80k, would probably be around $400k to $500k in 2007 dollars. Back in those days, gas was a quater-a-gallon, the median US home price was $23K [it's around $245k today], and the average family car could be bought new for around $4k or so, vs around $25k+ today. In other words, as opposed to today, that early 1970s $80k could buy an upper class lifestyle. -- 73 de Hakim (N1ZFF) From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Fri Aug 3 14:43:58 2007 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> They -RKO & Entercom- may be attacking Greater Media in stealth mode, as well as more public shots, by advertising on GM's stations. I caught a new Joe Castiglione-voiced spot for "Shaw's - the Official Supermarket of the Red Sox Radio Network" on Loren & Wally this morning. In addition to sale stuff, the spot promoted Shaw's new "kid announcer-in-the-booth" contest that was featured during yesterday's game. Has anyone else heard the new ad on any other stations that are not owned by Entercom? -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 3 13:32:48 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:32:48 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <20070803173248.1FE9416427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roger Kirk" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:54:21 -0400 >WRKO is running a promo questioning: >"WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking >out of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." Recently I heard the most annoying Dana Hersey pronouncement on WRKO: when big stories break, New Englanders know where to turn...WRKO news. Where? On the unemploymont line? (Although several WRKO newsies have landed jobs elsewhere.) -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Aug 3 15:06:42 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:06:42 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> Tony asked: > I caught a new Joe Castiglione-voiced spot for "Shaw's - the Official > Supermarket of the Red Sox Radio Network" on Loren & Wally this morning. > In addition to sale stuff, the spot promoted Shaw's new "kid > announcer-in-the-booth" contest that was featured during yesterday's game. > > Has anyone else heard the new ad on any other stations that are not owned > by Entercom? > it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) - -Chuck Igo From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 15:19:18 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:19:18 -0400 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B37FB6.8070309@ttlc.net> >In 1967, they experimented with what would be called Progressive Rock >(automated of course). I'd never heard anything like it before. Imagine >hearing something from Ray Conniff followed by "Incense And Pepermints" >from the Strawberry Alarm Clock! But that was being aired on 'HDH-FM >until the middle of 1968. Harold J. Clancy, who was oblvious to what >aired on the FM finally got wind of it and said "There is NO way THAT >kind of music will be aired on WHDH-FM!" And so the 'HDH-FM foray >into Progressive Rock ended quietly. Which begs the question "How many stories of "Great Radio Stations" from people's childhood/teen years were really the result of somebody pushing the envelope (even inadvertently) without the boss's approval or knowledge? Warning: Nostalgia ahead: ~1965, when I first worked in radio (1Kw Day/250w Night) WKTQ, South Paris ME they had a block from 3:00pm to 5:00pm allegedly devoted to "youth music" a.k.a. Top 40. Unfortunately, they had no real records to play for it, because they received only MOR type singles from the record companies. Needless to say, that block had few listeners. When I first started, as a summer replacement, they put me on the shift that included that block. As a record collector, I had all the Top 40 singles and I played them. For that brief period in time, all the teenagers in Norway & South Paris listened to me, because I was playing the Top Hits. But, come fall, school beckoned me back and it all came to an end. I'm sure, somewhere, there are a half dozen people who remember that "Golden Summer" when their little old local station played the same "good stuff" as the Boston & New York stations that were so hard to pull in at night and non-existent right after school. Ahhh....! Memories! From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 3 15:35:07 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:35:07 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> References: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <20070803193510.EB33A44CD0E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Chuck said-- >it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we >are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the >sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the >network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the >Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little >Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my not-so-humble opinion. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 3 15:41:50 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:41:50 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Chuck Igo" , "Tony Abruzzese" , "Boston Radio" >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:35:07 -0400 >yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold >the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there >anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are >being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in >ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on >them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my >not-so-humble opinion. Like Bob Bittner, I'm no sports fan (life is too short to spend three hours watching people you don't know play a game), but I remember when Ted Williams died, just about this time of year, grainy black-and-white films or kinescopes were shown of a skinny kid (no steroids in his day) knocking home runs right over Gem Razor Blade signs as well a few other advertisers. Perhaps the amount of advertising is somewhat less than in those days, but it seems to me that ballpark fences have always been prime territory for such promotions. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 16:49:15 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:49:15 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031349j7020416axe3dc5361cbdab7b8@mail.gmail.com> WEEI just aired Jim Cutler saying "The only home for Red Sox baseball WEEI" From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 17:12:04 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> > > > Like Bob Bittner, I'm no sports fan (life is too short to spend three hours > watching people you don't know play a game), but I remember when Ted Williams > died, just about this time of year, grainy black-and-white films or kinescopes > were shown of a skinny kid (no steroids in his day) knocking home runs right over Gem Razor > Blade signs as well a few other advertisers. Perhaps the amount of advertising > is somewhat less than in those days, but it seems to me that ballpark fences have > always been prime territory for such promotions. > > Works both ways. Remember the Ted's Root Beer signs? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 17:18:58 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:18:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> You not from Maine not root beer Moxie! vile stuff From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 17:28:03 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B39DE3.7090104@ttlc.net> Yes, I am from Maine! Mechanic Falls, to be specific. I love the taste of Moxie! As much as being on the radio! Kevin Vahey wrote: > You not from Maine not root beer Moxie! vile stuff > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Aug 3 19:33:17 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803193510.EB33A44CD0E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00b301c7d626$ab91aa20$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Well, you COULD pay $500 for Bleacher Seats.... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:35 PM To: Chuck Igo; Tony Abruzzese; Boston Radio Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Chuck said-- >it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we >are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the >sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the >network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the >Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little >Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my not-so-humble opinion. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 3 22:23:01 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:23:01 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com><015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Message-ID: <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tomm To: Don A Cc: BRI Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox on WEEI > Entercom wanted to prop up the sagging ratings of WRKO and generate > some new cume to The Talk Station. Both WRKO and WEEI are now tied in > the ratings 12+, even though WRKO is much lower than WEEI in the 25-54 > demos that agencies prefer. WRKO does not want to pre-empt Rush, or > they may not be able to contractually, so I can understand the weekday > games moving to WEEI. WTIC(AM) doesn't carry weekday afternoon games either -- probably the same we-can't-pre-empt-Rush situation. Used to be no problem for us here south of Hartford; we could just tune to WHYN(AM) Springfield. But the flea-powered FM the Sox are on in the Springfield area now doesn't make the trip down here at all, so it's TV, XM, mlb.com or nothing. Howard From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 22:36:25 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:36:25 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> The reason WTIC has had the Sox for 50 years goes back to Tom Yawkey wanting to hear the games in South Carolina. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 23:11:58 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:11:58 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B3EE7E.70800@ttlc.net> Tonight, the Red Sox were on WRKO, but near the end of the pre-game show, they ran a promo on how to enter a Red Sox contest on WEEI. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 14:28:37 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV network the camerman was instructed by the director to do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts came up with beer and razors in many markets. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 14:44:41 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:44:41 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you can see the wall was covered with ads http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > network the camerman was instructed by the director to > do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > came up with beer and razors in many markets. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Aug 4 16:48:31 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:48:31 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 2:45 PM To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you can see the wall was covered with ads http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > network the camerman was instructed by the director to > do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > came up with beer and razors in many markets. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 00:08:37 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:08:37 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Aug 2007 at 16:48, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. > (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) Wow! I never knew it used to be a Gulf sign! > I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? Me too! > (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible > Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) I believe that's correct. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 00:11:25 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:11:25 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> The Gulf sign is not the Citgo sign. The Gulf sign was on top of what is now Citizens Bank in Kenmore and on other side was a neon sign for White Fuel. Cities Service installed their sign in 1940 and became CITGO in 65 On 8/5/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4 Aug 2007 at 16:48, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > > And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. > > (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) > > Wow! I never knew it used to be a Gulf sign! > > > I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? > > Me too! > > > (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible > > Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) > > I believe that's correct. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 02:58:04 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:58:04 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 0:11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Gulf sign is not the Citgo sign. The Gulf sign was on top of what > is now Citizens Bank in Kenmore and on other side was a neon sign for > White Fuel. Cities Service installed their sign in 1940 and became > CITGO in 65 I remember the White Fuel sign. I think it was there well into the '60s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 06:31:20 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:31:20 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> In fact the Gulf sign would become Calso in the 50's. Calso is known today as Chevron. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Aug 5 08:44:12 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:44:12 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001701c7d75e$548098c0$0401a8c0@Family> Counselor Ross noted - > I remember the White Fuel sign. I think it was there well into the > '60s. > actually, it was there well into the 70's - maybe 80's. that was atop the Leavitt Hall building. one of my engineer friends (nameless as to not sure of the statute of limitations) took a box of the big bulbs that were stored at the base of the sign. those bulbs have helped to illuminate many an "on air" light at radio stations where the staff was appreciative of the bulbs' significance. he didn't use them in every station - just the ones' where the staff knew of the sign or the building. he was very much a proud Grahm grad. - -Chuck Igo From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Aug 5 11:33:40 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:33:40 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> From August 1st Boston Globe: Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 At 06:31 AM 8/5/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >In fact the Gulf sign would become Calso in the 50's. Calso is known >today as Chevron. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 5 12:50:55 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:50:55 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: At 11:33 AM -0400 8/5/07, Ron Bello wrote: >From August 1st Boston Globe: >Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 And I haven't heard any of them do a radio or TV commercial in years. It seems today the only advertising the oil companies do is sponsorships, they sponsor a golf tournament but no commercials telling you why you should spend your nearly three bucks a gallon at their station and not their competition. It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 4 16:12:40 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:12:40 -0500 Subject: New Toy Courtesy Of FCC.GOV Message-ID: <20070804201240.3A1F916427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> There's been a slight change at the FCC's wbsite when you look up technical information about FM stations. Just to the right of the Height Above Average Terrain figure is a click-through called "Calculate HAAT"". This is somewhat confusing verbiage because the average is already there, but when you run this application, it shows the expected HAAT over 360-degrees. So just to check it out, I picked a station atop the Pru, WTKK 96.9. Now if you've been to the observation deck up there, your clearest unobstructed view is easterly, comprising the Harbor Islands, North Shore and South Shore (on a clear day you can see Fore River). Sure enough, WTKK's highest HAAT is 247 meters along lines of azimuth in that direction; to the North, it's close to WTKK's given average HAAT, about 224 - 228 meters (c. 735 feet). In the direction of the Blue Hills it drops to 202 meters, and about the same in the direction of Wellesley Hills. Generally, I suspect there will be only minor variations for most outlets, with the exception of coastal stations not far from mountains (a la Camden, ME). -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 5 14:05:18 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that > you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, > a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with > this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to > bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still > seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. Surely everybody knows that only a small fraction of the fuel sold in the U.S. under any brand was actually refined by the company of that name...? The brand of the retailer no connection whatever with the refiner. (In many cases one brand isn't even the same company downstream and upstream.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 15:20:23 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:20:23 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found the next best thing http://www.microstru.com/7981.html I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 23:27:50 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:27:50 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B64EE6.23115.DC8C73@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron > sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names I remember that change. And I remember when Citgo took over Jenny. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 23:27:55 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:27:55 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Aug 5 23:04:11 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:04:11 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B68FAB.8090508@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron > sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names Couldn't find a picture of the Calso Sign in Boston, but I did find some rare Calso signage. Those interested scholarly research / viewing, may browse to: www.rogerkirk.com/calso These pix will only be up for a short time. For attribution and context, visit: http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001159-2.html http://www.bentonnews.net/Archive/may/may04.htm From jwcorcoran@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 08:15:17 2007 From: jwcorcoran@earthlink.net (Joe Corcoran) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:15:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the war, probably late 40's. Joe Corcoran -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM >To: Maureen Carney >Cc: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as >you can see the wall was covered with ads > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign >> in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers >> played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV >> network the camerman was instructed by the director to >> do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts >> came up with beer and razors in many markets. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play >> Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ >> From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:26:04 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:26:04 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060526n66295f8egbcdecfdc1144734@mail.gmail.com> Funny on how the mind plays tricks as I thought the White Fuel sign was between Beacon and Commonwealth but indeed it sat on the roof of WNAC. The backside was Gulf and then CaLso but I draw a blank on what was there in the 60's. On 8/5/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > > the next best thing > > > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but > on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 08:27:32 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:27:32 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The Buckminster Hotel squares with my recollection as well. However, was that hotel even still really a hotel by the mid-1950s? I arrived in Boston in early June 1956 and I recall the building--still labeled by large signs as a hotel--as possibly being used for other purposes. Maybe part of it was indeed some sort of residential hotel. But wasn't a lot of it occupied by the studios/offices of WNAC radio (680) and WNAC-TV (Channel 7)? And while we're on those stations, I think 98.5 was still WNAC-FM and I think it later became WRKO (FM) and then still later became WRKO-FM when the AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix 98.5? And what, if anything, did the letters WROR stand for? Surely not Rock ON Roll or Rock OR Roll! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > > the next best thing > > > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but > on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:48:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:48:38 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:51:52 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:51:52 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060551u425f1515ubf2b1873bdd6cade@mail.gmail.com> Fenway added lights in 1947 to compete with the Braves who did so in 46. On 8/6/07, Joe Corcoran wrote: > Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone > know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the > war, probably late 40's. > > Joe Corcoran > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kevin Vahey > >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM > >To: Maureen Carney > >Cc: Boston Radio Group > >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > > > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as > >you can see the wall was covered with ads > > > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > > > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > >> in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > >> played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > >> network the camerman was instructed by the director to > >> do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > >> came up with beer and razors in many markets. > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > >> Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ > >> > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Aug 6 09:03:00 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:03:00 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 09:22:28 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:22:28 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060622h3e323e40p78cf3b2113754db1@mail.gmail.com> I found the CaLso sign http://spln.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p617902dt.jpg This would be 1951 http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st11439.jpg http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st11273.jpg and it DID become a Chevron sign from 1967 http://savefenwaypark.com/gallery/pic2a.jpg In 1939 the Cities Service sign appears to be Mobil (Socony) http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10216.jpg On 8/6/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > > > > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 09:35:12 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:35:12 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com><18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com><46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com><002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c7d82e$a1669ba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Then I guess we should assume that RKO-General was warehousing the WROR calls in Boston with the intent of moving them to New York at some unspecified future time. Then, of course RKO-General had to divest its stations and may no longer have owned WOR/WOR-FM when the WOR-FM calls were changed. I don't recall whether Buckley bought both the AM and FM or only the AM from RKO-General, but if Buckley ever owned the former WOR-FM, I don't think it still does. IIRC, WOR-FM first became WXLO and then WXRK. (Or was 92.3 WXRK?) I'm not sure of the current calls of the former WOR-FM. If it ever was WXRK, it might still have those calls. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Aug 6 10:24:10 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070806101343.027050d0@BelloAssoc.com> At 12:50 PM 8/5/2007, Larry Weil wrote: >At 11:33 AM -0400 8/5/07, Ron Bello wrote: > > From August 1st Boston Globe: >>Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 > >And I haven't heard any of them do a radio or TV commercial in >years. It seems today the only advertising the oil companies do is >sponsorships, they sponsor a golf tournament but no commercials >telling you why you should spend your nearly three bucks a gallon at >their station and not their competition. > >It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that >you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, >a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with >this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to >bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still >seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. > >-- >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH No deception, your government at work. When Exxon and Mobil merged the government forced the sale of many of their retail locations to preserve competition. The Exxon stations in New England and NY were sold then and have been resold several times since. Part of the deal was rights for 10-years to use the Exxon name, marketing, charge cards and SpeedPass. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 6 11:46:11 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:46:11 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <18103.16963.378894.397385@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And > was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix > 98.5? It was owned by Steve Dodge's Atlantic Ventures, the company which had bought it from RKO General, when the change was made. (This happened some time before I moved to Boston in early '94.) Atlantic Ventures became American Radio Systems which then merged with CBS Corp. (formerly Westinghouse). -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 6 14:29:01 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46B7221D.16367.1B1A6A@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Aug 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > And while we're on those stations, I think 98.5 was still WNAC-FM and > I think it later became WRKO (FM) and then still later became WRKO-FM > when the AM adopted the WRKO calls. No one seems to be able to verify it, but I remember distinctly that, the day I got my first FM radio, 5 December 1958, one of the first stations I listened to was "WNAC-FM," and sometime on the hour, I heard a recorded voice interrupt with "This is WRKO-FM in Boston." The WRKO calls were on FM at least that early, though AM listeners were unaware of it. A year or two later, when WNAC changed its music format, they began ID-ing as "WNAC AM, WRKO FM." And White's Radio Log listed the call as "WRKO-FM" as far back as I can remember. I don't remember when I first saw White's, but it was long before the change to WRKO on the AM side. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 6 14:29:01 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Aug 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR This doesn't sound right. I distinctly remember the jingle "Hit Parade Sixty-Eight" on WROR, which became Hit Parade Sixty-Nine" on News Years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Aug 6 13:47:01 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:47:01 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <005701c7d851$cb8af2a0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I remember that too. It was Bill Drake who voiced the station ID on that jingle. "Stereooo...98 point 5. Doubleyoo Rrrrr OH Rrrr....Boston. The wrko.org tribute site says the change was in October 1968. They used to have the stereo "hit parade" WROR jingle on there but it seems to be gone now. I used to listen to WRKO-FM at the time (I was in college), and suddenly they started to go off the air at midnight. I wrote the GM and said how much I missed listening at night, and he told me it was so that they could install stereo equipment and that they would be back soon with new call letters but the same music only in stereo. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:29 PM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK On 6 Aug 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR This doesn't sound right. I distinctly remember the jingle "Hit Parade Sixty-Eight" on WROR, which became Hit Parade Sixty-Nine" on News Years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From john@minutemancomm.com Mon Aug 6 14:26:45 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:26:45 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Those poles could be some kind of lights? Remember The day-light type lights that where all used to today where more a need for Television. So I wouldn't be surprised if there where less powerful types before TV. That is defiantly the case in the Garden which was obviously lighted way before TV but nothing like it was lighted later. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Corcoran Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:15 AM To: Kevin Vahey; Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the war, probably late 40's. Joe Corcoran -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM >To: Maureen Carney >Cc: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you >can see the wall was covered with ads > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign in the Polo >> Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers played the Giants and the game >> was on the Dodgers TV network the camerman was instructed by the >> director to do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts came up with >> beer and razors in many markets. >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their >> life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ >> From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 14:35:44 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:35:44 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <4fc429770708061135k367f47d9g4db6a286af7f1e49@mail.gmail.com> For years there was a small FM stick on the roof of 21 Brookline Ave. Anybody know how long that was used as the transmitter for 98.5? From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 15:36:11 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> The call letter changed happened in February, 1991. I was a part-time announcer there at the time. The original intent of the new station was to "Mix" in a lot of Motown/R&B hits with Adult Contemporary music to take some of the older listeners listeners from Kiss-108. It also marked a chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer described a familiar "product" to the listener. Paul Connors > [Original Message] > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Dan Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 11:47:13 AM > Subject: WROR/WBMX > > < said: > > > AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And > > was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix > > 98.5? > > It was owned by Steve Dodge's Atlantic Ventures, the company which had > bought it from RKO General, when the change was made. (This happened > some time before I moved to Boston in early '94.) Atlantic Ventures > became American Radio Systems which then merged with CBS > Corp. (formerly Westinghouse). > > -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 6 16:54:31 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:54:31 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> References: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> Paul Connors wrote: > It also marked a > chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand > name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer > described a familiar "product" to the listener. > And let me guess, they delivered this message to the staff with a straight face? WROR calls kicked butt all over town. The _only_ people who knew of any "format" changes to WROR over the years were the dweebs who were tweaking the format clock and recurrent (etc.) rack. Yes, indeed, there are programmers who add or delete a couple of toe-tappers to the "B" rotation, drive home all giddy and agog, and then stay up all night under the covers with a flashlight, pillow speaker, Marvel Comic book while wearing Superman pajamas. And that's how call letters get changed. And come on, folks, am I the only dweeb, er, guy who immediately though of a kid's bike the first time the 'BMX calls hit the air? We're talking banana seat, sissy bar, playing cards in the spokes and that is supposed to skew older? (cough) I feel better now. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 17:11:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:11:46 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> References: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4fc429770708061411t6a5acd5fl609932e364c4f071@mail.gmail.com> BMX Black Music Exchange From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 6 17:26:39 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:26:39 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <007b01c7d870$7aba3970$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> The golden great 98 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:03 AM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 17:29:02 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:29:02 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > [Original Message] > From: Bill O'Neill > To: > Cc: Garrett Wollman ; Dan Strassberg ; Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 4:54:58 PM > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > Paul Connors wrote: > > It also marked a > > chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand > > name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer > > described a familiar "product" to the listener. > > > > And let me guess, they delivered this message to the staff with a > straight face? WROR calls kicked butt all over town. The _only_ people > who knew of any "format" changes to WROR over the years were the dweebs > who were tweaking the format clock and recurrent (etc.) rack. Yes, > indeed, there are programmers who add or delete a couple of toe-tappers > to the "B" rotation, drive home all giddy and agog, and then stay up all > night under the covers with a flashlight, pillow speaker, Marvel Comic > book while wearing Superman pajamas. And that's how call letters get > changed. And come on, folks, am I the only dweeb, er, guy who > immediately though of a kid's bike the first time the 'BMX calls hit the > air? We're talking banana seat, sissy bar, playing cards in the spokes > and that is supposed to skew older? (cough) I feel better now. > > Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 6 17:41:01 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:41:01 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708061411t6a5acd5fl609932e364c4f071@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007c01c7d872$7cca1bc0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> I thought it was (B)oston (M)i(X) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:12 PM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX BMX Black Music Exchange From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 15:02:51 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:02:51 -0400 Subject: The mighty 560 WNEU Message-ID: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago there was a website devoted to the old closed carrier station at Northeastern WNEU-560 but it seems to have vanished. A lot of good radio people paseed through WNEU Waxy, Ron Brindle, Donna...... just to name 3 and of course the infamous tape deck "Moose" http://chowdanet.com/markc/WEB2005A/wneu-560_chart_1969-05-04.pdf From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 6 17:46:17 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:46:17 -0400 Subject: The mighty 560 WNEU In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18103.38569.170607.269426@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A few years ago there was a website devoted to the old closed carrier > station at Northeastern WNEU-560 but it seems to have vanished. The modern equivalent at many campus stations (not sure about Northeastern), these days, seems to be the audio feed for the college cable system's barker channels. There are a few stations locally that still require new station members to "do time" on the closed-circuit station before they are allowed to do a shift on the broadcast station. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Aug 6 18:26:24 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:26:24 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B7A010.6090606@ttlc.net> Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > Can you give us some years during which they executed these formats? IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 thru Jan 1973 and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) plus oldies. From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 18:44:30 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:44:30 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-22007816224430344@earthlink.net> As far as I recall... Some time after Hit Parade, in the mid 70's, "The Golden Great 98" was automated Oldies with a few current songs tossed in. After going live some time in the late 70's the format transitioned to Adult Contemporary. In 1983-84 when HitradioWHTT was on top, WROR went straight-ahead Top 40 to compete against them and the other CHR's at the time, including Kiss-108 and WCOZ. WROR was an also-ran during this period. Then, from the mid-80's onward it was back to AC. > [Original Message] > From: Roger Kirk > To: > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 6:29:21 PM > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > Paul Connors wrote: > > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > > > Can you give us some years during which they executed these formats? > > IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 thru Jan 1973 > and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) plus oldies. > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 20:00:09 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) In-Reply-To: <380-22007816224430344@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 98.5 in Boston has had it's share of call-letters and formats over the years. WNAC-FM signed-on the air in 1948 as a full-time repeater of WNAC/1260 as well as WNAC/680 (after the AM's frequency change). The WRKO-FM call-letters were installed in 1958 by RKO General basically as a placeholder (for obvious reasons). The station stayed a 100% simulcast until 1963 when the FM added several hours of MOR (middle-of-the-road) music a day in preparation for the eventual 1966 FCC ruling which mandated that no more than 50% simulcasting (AM/FM) will be allowed in the 20 largest markets in America. Eventually, later on, this rule was to be extended to include all cities with more than 100,000 persons. This was to give FM a chance to grow and prosper. And boy did it ever! Quick timeline for 98.5. 10/12/1966- At midnight, WRKO-FM debuts "ARK-O-matic" (in mono). It was an automated Top 40/oldies hybrid, hosted by "ARKO, the shy but friendly robot". Very popular with the college crowd and yours' truly! 10/1/1968- WROR call-letters are assigned, but the station was playing continuous music and only identifying as WROR at the top of the hour. Stereo pilot is on, but audio is mono. 11/1968- WROR debuts "Hit Parade '68", Bill Drake's contemporary no-clutter format in Stereo. 11/1/1970- WROR tweaks the format to Bill Drake's "Solid Gold Rock and Roll" (a 50/50 blend of Top 40/oldies and recurrents). 5/1973- WROR breaks with Drake and changes the format to all-oldies as "Nostalgia 98.5". This was only meant to be a stop gap measure as the station was to be sold to Summit Broadcasting (Cecil Heftel, et.al.) who wanted to go with beautiful music. With RKO/General's license problems looming, the deal was scrapped in late October, 1973. 12/1973- John Long (ace program director, nice guy too) took the job with RKO/General and transformed 98.5 to the new "Golden Great 98!" and added in Wolfman Jack and lots of other special features. It became a fan favorite, especially with "American Graffiti" igniting the 50's craze all around the country in 1973. 1/1979- WROR dumped the oldies (with significant protest from listeners) with a Top 40/AC format that went nowhere. "98 and half FM, WROR, Where the music went!". Most listeners "went" AWAY! 11/1979- WROR retooled the format to an oldies/Top 40/AC hybrid. This was the famous "I'd Rather Be In Boston" format with some great jingles, live jocks and "Saturday Night At The Oldies" with Joe Martelle. It was a very popular format that was pleasing to many different age groups. It all lasted in some way or another until February, 1991. Of course, Roy Orbison's "It's Over" was the last song on WROR/98.5 on Friday afternoon February 9, 1991 at 1:00 PM. In came Mix/98.5. The WBMX call-letters were delayed a couple of weeks due to FCC paperwork. So, there you go. The Reader's Digest version of Boston's 98.5. What a long strange trip it's been......... -Pete --- Paul Connors wrote: > As far as I recall... > > Some time after Hit Parade, in the mid 70's, "The > Golden Great 98" was > automated Oldies with a few current songs tossed in. > After going live some > time in the late 70's the format transitioned to > Adult Contemporary. In > 1983-84 when HitradioWHTT was on top, WROR went > straight-ahead Top 40 to > compete against them and the other CHR's at the > time, including Kiss-108 > and WCOZ. WROR was an also-ran during this period. > Then, from the > mid-80's onward it was back to AC. > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Roger Kirk > > To: > > Cc: Boston Radio Group > > > Date: 8/6/2007 6:29:21 PM > > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > > > Paul Connors wrote: > > > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult > Contemporary. I'd call > > > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > > > > > > Can you give us some years during which they > executed these formats? > > > > IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 > thru Jan 1973 > > and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) > plus oldies. > > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 7 08:42:20 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:42:20 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From paul@derrynh.net Tue Aug 7 08:48:05 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:48:05 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000101c7d8f1$336f5240$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> And half of them will say they get their rock on COZ! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 7 11:45:59 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:45:59 -0400 Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) References: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Q. George To: ; Roger Kirk Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) > > 10/12/1966- At midnight, WRKO-FM debuts "ARK-O-matic" > (in mono). It was an automated Top 40/oldies hybrid, > hosted by "ARKO, the shy but friendly robot". Very > popular with the college crowd and yours' truly! > I was only 11 when Arko debuted, but I still remember just about everything about the format. The No.1 and No. 2 songs on the week's survey were played at the tops of alternating hours. There was a one-minute countdown of the "FM Top 10" every hour, as well as an introduction to the new songs on the playlist: "Here's the music that's happening this week on WRKO-FM!" Arko's voice would drone "Nummmberrr Onnnnnnne" for the top hit; every time the other songs in the Top 10 were played, the PAMS singers would trill "FM Top Tennnn!" Oldies (all from the pre-British Invasion years) were "FM Flashbacks," and every so often a recurrent -- a song that had dropped off the survey within that past couple of months -- would surface as an "Arko-Matic!" Other Arko memories: The birthday cake all listeners were invited to share when Arko turned 1 in October 1967 ... songs like "Ha Ha Said the Clown" and "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I haven't heard since ... calling the radio station to complain that "No Good to Cry" was aborting after a few notes of the intro every time it aired and was being replaced by another song; someone actually fixed the problem! No, it wasn't great radio -- in fact, XM often sounds a lot like it on weekends and overnights, when pennies are pinched by putting the '60s channel on jockless autopilot -- but it was an FM pioneer, and a great memory that's managed to stay with me for four decades. Howard From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 7 14:43:45 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:43:45 -0400 Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) In-Reply-To: <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> References: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <46B8BD61.1050505@ttlc.net> Howard Glazer wrote: > Other Arko memories: ... songs like "Ha Ha Said the Clown" and > "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I haven't heard since ... > > All these songs were played on WLOB, Portland. There was a "clean" version of "Bend It" issued. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 15:28:30 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: More ARKO memories (was Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX)) In-Reply-To: <46B8BD61.1050505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ah, yes...... "Bend It" by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich. I've have recently heard the not-so-clean album version of it. Today, it would be considered tame. But in 1966, you definitely would NOT hear it on WRKO-FM. They played the clean version. ARKO also played "Run Baby Run" by the Newbeats, a lot. Admittedly, ARKO had very few commercials, especially when they started the 6P-6A non-simulcast period after WRKO-AM went Top 40. I remember a lot of PSA's and an ad for "Dial-A-Dietician". The robotic "ARKO-matic" liners faded by the fall of 1967. Dale Tucker was the voice of WRKO-FM until he left in July of 1968. Today he writes for Radio World magazine. I would love to hear some original ARKO sound bytes (if anyone has some, please drop me a line). I was a big fan of WRKO-FM from the day they went rock on 10/12/1966 (and I was only 7 at the time). It was a unique time for FM radio. I'm glad I witnessed the growing up phase for FM. What a time! "WRKO-FM, ALL MUSIC!!!!" -Pete --- Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Howard Glazer wrote: > > Other Arko memories: ... songs like "Ha Ha > Said the Clown" and > > "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I > haven't heard since ... > > > > > All these songs were played on WLOB, Portland. > > There was a "clean" version of "Bend It" issued. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 7 15:44:35 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:44:35 -0400 Subject: More ARKO memories (was Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX)) In-Reply-To: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B8CBA3.2060301@ttlc.net> Peter Q. George wrote: > Ah, yes...... "Bend It" by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, > Mick & Tich. I've have recently heard the > not-so-clean album version of it. Today, it would be > considered tame. But in 1966, you definitely would > NOT hear it on WRKO-FM. They played the clean > version. ARKO also played "Run Baby Run" by the > Newbeats, a lot. > Interesting, because WLOB played the not-so-clean version. They also played the n-s-c version of Lou Christie's "Rhapsody In The Rain" as well as Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed Girl". Daring for a 5KW in an almost major market. From lspin@comcast.net Tue Aug 7 19:52:42 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002101c7d94e$0c0fff80$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I had always felt that through all of its format tweaks and major changes, WROR never really realized the success that I imagined it could. They were a major FM station in Boston, playing decent music IN STEREO. They were mostly a disappointment to this geekier-than-average listener (automation - repetition- boredom). And when the call letters were retired (enter Mix-98.5), I felt that somebody was going to try to do something good with it. Although I never liked the programming, they gave us something live and consistent. I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. I was probably hoping they would have picked up WMEX, or something crazy like that. Anyway, I will applaud 105.7 for finally bringing success and stability to those call letters. I don't particularly like everything about their programming, but they have certainly been consistent, far more than any other incarnation of WROR. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Aug 8 06:30:00 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:30:00 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <002101c7d94e$0c0fff80$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <005a01c7d9a7$184995f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> If 105.7 went Spanish, do you think they'd still keep Lorne and Wally (en la manana)? -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:53 PM To: 'Bill O'Neill' Cc: 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX I had always felt that through all of its format tweaks and major changes, WROR never really realized the success that I imagined it could. They were a major FM station in Boston, playing decent music IN STEREO. They were mostly a disappointment to this geekier-than-average listener (automation - repetition- boredom). And when the call letters were retired (enter Mix-98.5), I felt that somebody was going to try to do something good with it. Although I never liked the programming, they gave us something live and consistent. I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. I was probably hoping they would have picked up WMEX, or something crazy like that. Anyway, I will applaud 105.7 for finally bringing success and stability to those call letters. I don't particularly like everything about their programming, but they have certainly been consistent, far more than any other incarnation of WROR. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:27:22 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:27:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Lou" > CC: 'Boston Radio Group' > > To: "'Bill O'Neill'" > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 > Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the > WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it > was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. > I was probably hoping they would have picked up > WMEX, or something crazy like that. I can think of a few good reasons why Greater Media would not have wanted to christen 105.7 as WMEX. #1): They tried it ten years before on 1150 AM, and though it was fun to listen to, it wasn't ultimately successful. Granted it was a fairly weak AM signal which couldn't survive once WODS came on the air, but that brings me to the next reason. #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, an FM revived as WROR seemed more "authentic" than reviving an AM-only call on an FM station. #3): People who remember listening to the original WROR may remember doing so from the late '60s right through the '70's and into part of the '80s. That's a somewhat younger demographic than listeners who would remember the original WMEX which was all done as a Top 40 and music station by the mid '70s. At this point I don't think the call letters matter a heck of a lot. Any nostalgia for "heritage" calls wears off quickly, then the station must stand on the quality of the programming that it is offering currently. That's what gives it ratings in the long run, not nostalgia for old call letters. EP From lglavin@mail.com Wed Aug 8 13:06:32 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: "Broadcasting & Cable" Restructures; Robbins Out Message-ID: <20070808170632.E62381F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> According to the DC Ratio and TV blog available at fybush.com, the entity that owns "Broadcasting and Cable" Magazine has restructured and thereby ousted J. Max Robbins from the editorial board. I'm kind of saddened by that; on the basis of his weekly appearances on Howie Carr's show, he seems like a genuinely nice guy (Max, not Howie). I guess that until he lands a new gig, some of the goodies Howie bestows will be more than just lagniappe...the ice cream coupons will be really valuable for a guy with a number of kids to support. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Aug 8 16:43:47 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:43:47 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I was surprised when Entercom's "resurrection" of WKBW turned out not to be successful. I listened fairly often at night and thought it was quite well done. I didn't hear many commercials, though --- was the company unable to attract advertisers? I've never been clear on what did it in. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > > From: "Lou" > > CC: 'Boston Radio Group' > > > > To: "'Bill O'Neill'" > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 > > Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > > > I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the > > WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it > > was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. > > I was probably hoping they would have picked up > > WMEX, or something crazy like that. > > I can think of a few good reasons why Greater Media > would not have wanted to christen 105.7 as WMEX. > > #1): They tried it ten years before on 1150 AM, and > though it was fun to listen to, it wasn't ultimately > successful. Granted it was a fairly weak AM signal > which couldn't survive once WODS came on the air, > but that brings me to the next reason. > > #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, > WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, > an FM revived as WROR seemed more "authentic" than > reviving an AM-only call on an FM station. > > #3): People who remember listening to the original > WROR may remember doing so from the late '60s right > through the '70's and into part of the '80s. That's > a somewhat younger demographic than listeners who > would remember the original WMEX which was all done > as a Top 40 and music station by the mid '70s. > > At this point I don't think the call letters matter > a heck of a lot. Any nostalgia for "heritage" calls > wears off quickly, then the station must stand on > the quality of the programming that it is offering > currently. That's what gives it ratings in the long > run, not nostalgia for old call letters. > > EP > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Aug 8 17:42:17 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:42:17 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: The same reasons that "real oldies" didn't take off in Chicago, Cincinnati and other markets. The format attracted a 55+ audience that agencies didn't want to cater to. The few advertisers who do target older demos want to reach them during the day 6a-7p. 1520AM has a spotty day signal in parts of the Buffalo market. The station's strength is it's huge regional night signal, and realistically most people who like the format would probably not be tuned in during those hours. And that's not even getting into the whole "music on AM" thing. Plus, their potentially huge regional night audience does not get ratings books for the Buffalo market. While the execution wasn't bad, the format had too much going against it to work. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > I was surprised when Entercom's "resurrection" of WKBW turned out not > to be > successful. I listened fairly often at night and thought it was quite > well > done. I didn't hear many commercials, though --- was the company > unable to > attract advertisers? I've never been clear on what did it in. > From wayne@vacationdreams.org Wed Aug 8 18:59:45 2007 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (Wayne Carter) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:59:45 -0400 Subject: Looking for a friend.... In-Reply-To: References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: Hello list, I have been looking for an old friend, used to be a jock named Tommy C(arbone), and I believed he worked at GIR at some time in the past. Can't find him anywhere, just trying to make contact. Used to play in bands together back in the day... any ideas? wayne From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 8 20:17:32 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:17:32 -0400 Subject: WCAP Sale Imminent? Message-ID: <000701c7da1a$b1d10960$f1a4764c@Mark> The Lowell Sun is reporting on it's website that a group of Lowell area investors has a deal in place to purchase WCAP (980 Lowell) from longtime owner Maurice Cohen. One notable name mentioned as one of the investors is radio consultant and former owner of WNNH (Henniker NH) Clark Smidt. WCAP first took to the air June 10,1951 from studios on Central St. in Downtown Lowell, where they still broadcast from today. Link to the brief article on the Sun's website: http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6574888 Mark Watson From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 22:45:39 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCAP Sale Imminent? In-Reply-To: <000701c7da1a$b1d10960$f1a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <59564.82129.qm@web58312.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mark Watson wrote: > The Lowell Sun is reporting on it's website that a group of Lowell > area > investors has a deal in place to purchase WCAP (980 Lowell) from > longtime > owner Maurice Cohen. One notable name mentioned as one of the > investors is > radio consultant and former owner of WNNH (Henniker NH) Clark Smidt. > WCAP > first took to the air June 10,1951 from studios on Central St. in > Downtown > Lowell, where they still broadcast from today. Link to the brief > article on > the Sun's website: > > http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6574888 Does this indicate anything about Maurice Cohen's health? I thought he'd hold onto the station until he passed. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 9 00:15:55 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:15:55 -0500 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46BA4EAB.26965.673822@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Aug 2007 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > #1): They tried it ten years before on 1150 AM, and though it was > fun to listen to, it wasn't ultimately successful. Granted it was a > fairly weak AM signal which couldn't survive once WODS came on the > air, but that brings me to the next reason. I suppose, but the main problem was exactly that: it was a fairly weak AM signal. And it was an AM signal. It apparently did reasonably well until WODS came along. WMEX on FM doing that music might have worked. At that time. Probably not now because the demographic for the WMEX calls and that era oldies is older now. > #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, > WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, an FM revived as > WROR seemed more "authentic" than reviving an AM-only call on an FM > station. I'm not impressed with this reason. Plenty of call letters have migrated from AM to FM, including WCRB and WBOS. An even better example is, several years ago, when WPTR in Albany became WDCD, an FM station in the area picked up the WPTR call letters. Eventually, it dropped them and 1540 resumed the calls. Since then, the format and calls were swapped with a co-owned FM. So if the WPTR calls could migrate to FM, why not WMEX? > #3): People who remember listening to the original WROR may > remember doing so from the late '60s right through the '70's and > into part of the '80s. That's a somewhat younger demographic than > listeners who would remember the original WMEX which was all done > as a Top 40 and music station by the mid '70s. This is true. They were going for a younger demographic by using the WROR calls. > At this point I don't think the call letters matter a heck of a > lot. Any nostalgia for "heritage" calls wears off quickly, then the > station must stand on the quality of the programming that it is > offering currently. That's what gives it ratings in the long run, > not nostalgia for old call letters. True, but it may attract a certain number of listeners to try the station out. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 23:50:42 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:50:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <21774368.1186631442175.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >Sent: Aug 9, 2007 12:15 AM >To: Eli Polonsky >Cc: boston Radio Group >Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > >On 8 Aug 2007 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, >> WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, >> an FM revived as WROR seemed more "authentic" than >> reviving an AM-only call on an FM station. > >I'm not impressed with this reason. Plenty of call >letters have migrated from AM to FM, including WCRB >and WBOS. An even better example is, several years >ago, when WPTR in Albany became WDCD, an FM station >in the area picked up the WPTR call letters... It >dropped them and 1540 resumed the calls. Since then, >the format and calls were swapped with a co-owned FM. >So if the WPTR calls could migrate to FM, why not WMEX? The WCRB and WBOS calls were on the air on FM while the original AM's were still on the air. There was no gap of time during which the calls were not on the air in Boston, so the combination and eventual transition of the calls from AM to FM was uninterrupted and seamless in the listeners perception. By the time Greater Media put WROR on 105.7, there had not been a WMEX on the air (playing oldies) in Boston for about seven years (Greater Medias 1150 incarnation) and it was about twenty years since the demise of the original 1510 WMEX, so there were big gaps of absence in the public perception of those call letters. The WPTR calls were brought back to the AM frequency they had originally been on before they were directly moved to FM. That gave "nostalgic" listeners a chance to find the call letters on AM where they once were, and then follow them directly over to FM. That would not have been the case if 105.7 had just become WMEX out of the blue when the letters had never been on FM before, and when they had also been absent from the AM band for a number of years as well. EP From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 9 03:09:34 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 02:09:34 -0500 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) Message-ID: <20070809070935.0B6A583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> It's true: as part of the grand plan to boost WNSH's power, WPEP 1570 Taunton is indeed no more: http://www.tauntongazette.com/homepage/x225115661 ...however some programming has migrated over to WVBF 1530 (lic. to Middleborough but broadcasting from Taunton...2,200 w ND...a mighty 2 watts at night...) The article says that WPEP is no more but I'm not sure if it has actually gone dark yet or not as of right now. From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 9 06:12:03 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:12:03 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) In-Reply-To: <20070809070935.0B6A583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002f01c7da6d$bc9880f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> 2 Watts! Can they pick that up in the studio if not on the same parcel as the TX? Are there any stations broadcasting (and at 2 watts, it's hardly 'Broad") at less than 2 watts? -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:10 AM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) It's true: as part of the grand plan to boost WNSH's power, WPEP 1570 Taunton is indeed no more: http://www.tauntongazette.com/homepage/x225115661 ...however some programming has migrated over to WVBF 1530 (lic. to Middleborough but broadcasting from Taunton...2,200 w ND...a mighty 2 watts at night...) The article says that WPEP is no more but I'm not sure if it has actually gone dark yet or not as of right now. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Aug 9 07:03:01 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:03:01 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) In-Reply-To: <002f01c7da6d$bc9880f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <017101c7da74$dab2f050$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > 2 Watts! > > Can they pick that up in the studio if not on the same parcel as the TX? > > Are there any stations broadcasting (and at 2 watts, it's hardly 'Broad") > at > less than 2 watts? I remember trying to hear them one night when I was down in Middleboro, I could just barely make out their signal on route 18/28, which probably gets as close as 1 mile from their transmitter at one point. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 9 07:25:51 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:25:51 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) References: <002f01c7da6d$bc9880f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000d01c7da78$1036b560$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Depending on the QRM from WCKY, WWKB, and WDCD, my guess is that, on a decent radio, you could pick up the station reasonably well in a radius of maybe 500' from the tower. I have said since the idea was floated of 1530 becoming WPEP and trying to serve Taunton as well as Middleborough Center that WVBF should keep the old WPEP stick in Taunton and run 2W night from there in addition to using its own stick in Middleborough. (Actually, the FCC would probably not allow quite the full 2W from the Taunton stick because it's a little more efficient than WVBF's own stick in Middleborough.) There would be no problem of the two flea-power signals interfering with each other because each would be WAY down in the QRM before you came into range of the other. And there is precedent for Class D AMs running "synchronized" low-power co-channel nighttime transmitters--a station on 670 in the tidewater area of VA does it, and there may be others. Actually, synchronization would be the least of WVBF's worries with this scheme, because neither signal would encroach on the other's turf. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: RE: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) > 2 Watts! > > Can they pick that up in the studio if not on the same parcel as the TX? > > Are there any stations broadcasting (and at 2 watts, it's hardly 'Broad") at > less than 2 watts? > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Bob Nelson > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:10 AM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) > > It's true: as part of the grand plan to boost WNSH's power, WPEP 1570 > Taunton is indeed no more: > > http://www.tauntongazette.com/homepage/x225115661 > > ...however some programming has migrated over to WVBF 1530 (lic. to > Middleborough > but broadcasting from Taunton...2,200 w ND...a mighty 2 watts at night...) > > The article says that WPEP is no more but I'm not sure if it has actually > gone > dark yet or not as of right now. > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 9 10:38:00 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:38:00 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) In-Reply-To: <002f01c7da6d$bc9880f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <002f01c7da6d$bc9880f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <46BB26C8.1090905@cssinc.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > 2 Watts! > > > I know of drive-ins broadcasting with more watts than that! As an interesting side note, at the Georgetown DI (yes, the porno palace) the AM xmtr fed into the speaker lines under the field. The theory was that the speaker posts reradiated the signal. Also under the ground were the high voltage lines (ie substantially greater than 440V!) going to our own transformer vault (apparently Georgetown Power & Light thought that the drive in needed several thousand amps). The AM signal would couple to the power lines and reradiate throughout the surrounding area. Everytime you passed a transformer on 133, you heard us. Another fun fact was that the drive-in owned three hand-built transmitters made by some crazy ham radio operator in VT. It used a Hartley tank oscillator for tuning and had no harmonic suppression. Since digital car radios had not yet taken over, the transmitters were deliberately tuned down to 525 or so. Most of the analog radios tuned that far down without a problem. As a result, they had a relatively clean channel to work with. An unintended side effect was that our harmonics popped up at 1050 and 1575. Given the lack of selectivity on the old car radios, it would not be unusual to get some strange dialog on your car radio as you cranked up I-95, which ran behind the screen, listening to WBZ or WMEX (or whoever was on 1510 at the time). I think that the statute of limitations has run out on this one and the former owner of the dive-in passed away last winter. From deep in the witness protection program.... From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 9 10:41:47 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:41:47 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton)] Message-ID: <46BB27AB.2030503@cssinc.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > 2 Watts! > > > I know of drive-ins broadcasting with more watts than that! As an interesting side note, at the Georgetown DI (yes, the porno palace) the AM xmtr fed into the speaker lines under the field. The theory was that the speaker posts reradiated the signal. Also under the ground were the high voltage lines (ie substantially greater than 440V!) going to our own transformer vault (apparently Georgetown Power & Light thought that the drive in needed several thousand amps). The AM signal would couple to the power lines and reradiate throughout the surrounding area. Everytime you passed a transformer on 133, you heard us. Another fun fact was that the drive-in owned three hand-built transmitters made by some crazy ham radio operator in VT. It used a Hartley tank oscillator for tuning and had no harmonic suppression. Since digital car radios had not yet taken over, the transmitters were deliberately tuned down to 525 or so. Most of the analog radios tuned that far down without a problem. As a result, they had a relatively clean channel to work with. An unintended side effect was that our harmonics popped up at 1050 and 1575. Given the lack of selectivity on the old car radios, it would not be unusual to get some strange dialog on your car radio as you cranked up I-95, which ran behind the screen, listening to WBZ or WMEX (or whoever was on 1510 at the time). I think that the statute of limitations has run out on this one and the former owner of the dive-in passed away last winter. >From deep in the witness protection program.... From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 11:32:16 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:32:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) Message-ID: <1521958.1186673536683.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> WPEP 1570 had been broadcasting at night with 227 watts. Since the power increase for WNSH is for daytime only, I don't see what would prevent WPEP from continuing to broadcast on 1570 as they were, at nighttime only. It would beat 2 watts from Middleborough (which could also continue). They would have to run some sort of promos on 1530 in the daytime instructing listeners in the Taunton area to turn their dials up a few clicks to 1570 at sunset. Listeners who tune in for specific evening programs on WPEP would already know that they're there. If they air things like local evening school sports games, those could be promoted beforehand as being on 1570. WPEP could come on at sunset, when WNSH powers down to 85 watts, and could stay on until sunrise on the following morning, then instructing listeners to tune down to 1530 for the morning show. If WPEP did that, it may be the only nighttime-only AM station in the country, as far as I know. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 9 11:50:55 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:50:55 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) References: <1521958.1186673536683.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c7da9d$1abdb770$e1a24c0c@SatU205S5044> Except the FCC does not license nighttime-only AM stations and there is no indication that they could be prevailed upon to start doing so. My guess is that they could not be--a number of people in the Media Bureau would surely adopt an "over my dead body" stance, and you can kind of see why: allowing nighttime-only AMs would open the floodgates for perhaps thousands of applications. OTOH, there is a precedent for allowing Class D AMs to operate multiple low-power on-channel nighttime transmitters. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: RE: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) > WPEP 1570 had been broadcasting at night with 227 watts. > Since the power increase for WNSH is for daytime only, > I don't see what would prevent WPEP from continuing to > broadcast on 1570 as they were, at nighttime only. It > would beat 2 watts from Middleborough (which could also > continue). > > They would have to run some sort of promos on 1530 in > the daytime instructing listeners in the Taunton area > to turn their dials up a few clicks to 1570 at sunset. > Listeners who tune in for specific evening programs on > WPEP would already know that they're there. If they air > things like local evening school sports games, those > could be promoted beforehand as being on 1570. > > WPEP could come on at sunset, when WNSH powers down > to 85 watts, and could stay on until sunrise on the > following morning, then instructing listeners to tune > down to 1530 for the morning show. If WPEP did that, > it may be the only nighttime-only AM station in the > country, as far as I know. > > EP > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Aug 9 14:40:26 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:40:26 -0400 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) In-Reply-To: <000301c7da9d$1abdb770$e1a24c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <01a301c7dab4$c0cd7fd0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> I checked today, and apparently 1530 is only running one ex-WPEP show between 9 and 11 AM, the rest of the day it's still the TIC blind reading service. 1570 is still on the air, with foreign language programming, probably Portuguese. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:51 AM > To: Eli Polonsky; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) > > Except the FCC does not license nighttime-only AM stations and there > is no indication that they could be prevailed upon to start doing so. > My guess is that they could not be--a number of people in the Media > Bureau would surely adopt an "over my dead body" stance, and you can > kind of see why: allowing nighttime-only AMs would open the floodgates > for perhaps thousands of applications. OTOH, there is a precedent for > allowing Class D AMs to operate multiple low-power on-channel > nighttime transmitters. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eli Polonsky" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:32 AM > Subject: RE: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) > > > > WPEP 1570 had been broadcasting at night with 227 watts. > > Since the power increase for WNSH is for daytime only, > > I don't see what would prevent WPEP from continuing to > > broadcast on 1570 as they were, at nighttime only. It > > would beat 2 watts from Middleborough (which could also > > continue). > > > > They would have to run some sort of promos on 1530 in > > the daytime instructing listeners in the Taunton area > > to turn their dials up a few clicks to 1570 at sunset. > > Listeners who tune in for specific evening programs on > > WPEP would already know that they're there. If they air > > things like local evening school sports games, those > > could be promoted beforehand as being on 1570. > > > > WPEP could come on at sunset, when WNSH powers down > > to 85 watts, and could stay on until sunrise on the > > following morning, then instructing listeners to tune > > down to 1530 for the morning show. If WPEP did that, > > it may be the only nighttime-only AM station in the > > country, as far as I know. > > > > EP > > > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 9 15:30:49 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:30:49 -0500 Subject: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) Message-ID: <20070809193049.5FAD0102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: RE: WPEP going dark (but now, WVBF serves Taunton) >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:40:26 -0400 >I checked today, and apparently 1530 is only running one ex-WPEP show >between 9 and 11 AM, the rest of the day it's still the TIC blind reading >service. 1570 is still on the air, with foreign language programming, >probably Portuguese. >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA My favorite segment of the Taunton newspaper story was the assertion that since WVBF-AM is non-directional, it will provide better service over southeastern Mass than WSAR-AM 1480 which is directional! I can pick up WSAR in Methuen during the day even though there's a station at 1490 in an adjacent city...and is audible adjacent to WAZN-AM 1470 when I'm travelling until I get near Route 2. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:39:49 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:39:49 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708091339p15983071n39fb0729aeb85983@mail.gmail.com> WKBW always struggled in Buffalo itself against WYSL 1400 and later WGR 550 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 10 01:01:27 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:01:27 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <21774368.1186631442175.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21774368.1186631442175.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46BBB8E7.28665.288EDC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Aug 2007 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > The WPTR calls were brought back to the AM frequency > they had originally been on before they were directly > moved to FM. But before that, there was an FM station in the Albany area that had the WPTR calls after the AM station dropped those calls. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 10:24:58 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <465122.91363.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:43:47 -0400 Doug Drown wrote: > I was surprised when Entercom's "resurrection" of > WKBW turned out not to be > successful. I listened fairly often at night and > thought it was quite well > done. I didn't hear many commercials, though --- > was the company unable to > attract advertisers? I've never been clear on what > did it in. Although a few factors were at play here, I personally believe what really did them in (despite their older target demo) was a complete lack of promotions in their home market. From everything I've come across to everyone I've talked to in the Western NY area, outside of the initital launch not a dime was spent nor any effort whatsoever was made promoting the station. What good is a spectacular radio station, or any media outlet at all for that matter, if nobody knows it even exists? Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 10:37:02 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46BBB8E7.28665.288EDC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <31478.35408.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:01:27 -0400 "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > On 8 Aug 2007 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > > The WPTR calls were brought back to the AM > frequency > > they had originally been on before they were > directly > > moved to FM. > > But before that, there was an FM station in the > Albany area that had > the WPTR calls after the AM station dropped those > calls. > That is correct. When Albany Broadcasting bought the old WCDA 96.3 FM (which I believe was doing a satellite country format at the time imaged as 'CD Country'), they replaced those call letter with WPTR-FM, trying to play off the heirtage of the old WPTR 1540 AM during their country format period. This, however, failed miserably against the well-established 50 kw Class B signal of market leader WGNA (96.3 is only a class A at 6 kw IIRC) and soon after they changed to urban contemporary as WAJZ, which they are to this day. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 11:22:19 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46BA4EAB.26965.673822@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <919854.64558.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:15:55 -0500 "A. Joseph Ross" wrote, in reponse to the following comment from Eli Polonsky: > > #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, > > WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, > an FM revived as > > WROR seemed more "authentic" than reviving an > AM-only call on an FM > > station. > > I'm not impressed with this reason. Plenty of call > letters have > migrated from AM to FM, including WCRB and WBOS. An > even better > example is, several years ago, when WPTR in Albany > became WDCD, an FM > station in the area picked up the WPTR call letters. A more recent, and successful example of this would be FM 98.9 in Rochester NY. They changed their call letters to WBBF (the heritage AM CHR station in town during the 60s, 70s, and very early 80s) and completely reimaged the station as '99 BBF' (the AM station was originally known as '95 BBF'). Although WBBF was technically still used on its original AM 950 frequency right up until the calls went to FM, the AM station had been a ratings non-factor in the market for many years at that point. During 98.9's WBBF oldies period, that frequency saw some of the best ratings in its history up to that point (not sure if its current incarnation as 'the Buzz' has since surpassed those numbers or not). Unfortunately it all ended when Entercom moved the format to the then-rimshot class A 93.3 signal, effectively destroying its ratings and leading to its eventual demise. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From songbook2@comcast.net Fri Aug 10 17:38:07 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:38:07 -0700 Subject: AM Nighttime Only Message-ID: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> Reading Dan Strassberg's b-r-i post about AM nighttime-only stations reminds me of KPPC 1240AM in Los Angeles..... "the little radio station that could and did!" Beginning on Christmas Day, December 25, 1924 as a 50watt station of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church by church volunteers, as a non-profit station with studios in the church's basement (unofficially people later called an "underground station") with it's transmitter on top of the church on Colorado Boulevard. (The church is still there today.) It went on the air after the first Christmas Day services.only for Sunday church services 11am to Noon, then shut down 6 days. It had a "specified hours" FCC license to broadcast in 1938, Sundays 9am to 1 pm and 6:45pm to 9pm and on Wednesdays 7pm to 9pm again only for church services. In the 1970's and 80's it went up to 22 hours a week, after 1985 with 250 watts it was broadcasting only at night weekdays and all day Sunday. (Guess this would be sort of a nighttime-only station?) Again in 1996, KPPC 1240AM only went on the air Sundays for the church service 11am to Noon, then shut down for 6 days. KPPC originally shared 1210AM in it's long history with a station in San Bernardino, there were also LA-area AM stations at 1220 Pomona, at 1230 and 1260 in Los Angeles causing major interference with the 1240 signal. The church also started an FM station (KPPC 106.7FM in 1962 selling it in 1968, now KROQ). The license still allowed for the transmitter to be turned on each Sunday morning for one hour, then turned off when the church service ended. KPPC had come full circle during its last year on the air in 1996!! It went off the air forever in September, 1996 after 71 years and 9 months. Its sole purpose from the beginning once again was to broadcast the Sunday church services of its founder from the site where the station first went on the air Christmas Day of 1924. The station remaining silent the other 6 days of the week. When I was looking for the KPPC studios in 1998, no one in the church office I met remembered the station or it's history. I asked around the neighborhood and found that they had left the church basement for a Colorado Boulevard (that's where the Rose Parade is held every year) storefront. "KPPC 1240AM" was in small letters on the front door and a type-written note saying that the studios were being used to broadcast nighttime, Latino religious programming on the Pomona station. It was dark, but peering inside the window, there were mics and Latino signage everywhere, so, in a way, KPPC founded by the Presbyterian church did have a religious life thereafter! (Thanks to Jim Hilliker for some KPPC background history) KPPC-FM is now in Pocatello, Idaho. There is no AM call. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From songbook2@comcast.net Fri Aug 10 17:43:13 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:43:13 -0700 Subject: AM Nighttimne Only Message-ID: <46BCDBF1.1040305@comcast.net> Reading Dan Strassberg's b-r-i post about AM nighttime-only stations reminds me of KPPC 1240AM in Los Angeles..... "the little radio station that could and did!" Beginning on Christmas Day, December 25, 1924 as a 50watt station of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church by church volunteers, as a non-profit station with studios in the church's basement (unofficially people later called an "underground station") with it's transmitter on top of the church on Colorado Boulevard. (The church is still there today.) It went on the air after the first Christmas Day services.only for Sunday church services 11am to Noon, then shut down 6 days. It had a "specified hours" FCC license to broadcast in 1938, Sundays 9am to 1 pm and 6:45pm to 9pm and on Wednesdays 7pm to 9pm again only for church services. In the 1970's and 80's it went up to 22 hours a week, after 1985 with 250 watts it was broadcasting only at night weekdays and all day Sunday. (Guess this would be sort of a nighttime-only station?) Again in 1996, KPPC 1240AM only went on the air Sundays for the church service 11am to Noon, then shut down for 6 days. KPPC originally shared 1210AM in it's long history with a station in San Bernardino, there were also LA-area AM stations at 1220 Pomona, at 1230 and 1260 in Los Angeles causing major interference with the 1240 signal. The church also started an FM station (KPPC 106.7FM in 1962 selling it in 1968, now KROQ). The license still allowed for the transmitter to be turned on each Sunday morning for one hour, then turned off when the church service ended. KPPC had come full circle during its last year on the air in 1996!! It went off the air forever in September, 1996 after 71 years and 9 months. Its sole purpose from the beginning once again was to broadcast the Sunday church services of its founder from the site where the station first went on the air Christmas Day of 1924. The station remaining silent the other 6 days of the week. When I was looking for the KPPC studios in 1998, no one in the church office I met remembered the station or it's history. I asked around the neighborhood and found that they had left the church basement for a Colorado Boulevard (that's where the Rose Parade is held every year) storefront. "KPPC 1240AM" was in small letters on the front door and a type-written note saying that the studios were being used to broadcast nighttime, Latino religious programming on the Pomona station. It was dark, but peering inside the window, there were mics and Latino signage everywhere, so, in a way, KPPC founded by the Presbyterian church did have a religious life thereafter! (Thanks to Jim Hilliker for some KPPC background history) KPPC-FM is now in Pocatello, Idaho. There is no AM call. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 10 22:07:34 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:07:34 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Aah--there were lots of specified-hours AM licenses--and one or more may still exist; Scott Fybush is likely to be able to answer that one. But the specified hours did not vary month-by-month as a nighttime-only license would require. I can imagine the courts having to settle the issue about whether a "specified-hours" station that specified only nighttime hours would conform to FCC rules and precedents. I doubt whether the courts would resolve that issue in my lifetime or in the lifetime of AM as a viable broadcast service. And I can't possibly imagine that the current licensee of WVBF has the financial resources to pursue the issue in court for the inevitable decades. Maybe if the native-American tribe (actually, I think "American Indian" recently returned to the politically correct lexicon) that wants to build a casino in Middleborough were to buy WVBF and plow all of the casino profits into the legal fight, they might pull it off. But then, the Indians are probably not interested in serving Taunton. If the casino is built, there is likely to be more than enough business in Middlebrough to support the station. That could put WVBF in the position of applying for a split-frequency operation (1530 days with 2.2 kW-D/1 kW-CH and 1570 nights with 227W or thereabouts) a la WNZK Dearborn Heights MI, the only split-frequency AM in the US. The FCC has repeatedly asserted that split-frequency operation makes the very well engineered WNZK substandard from a technical point of view and that position has survived several attempts by broadcasters to use it as a precedent for split-frequency operation of other stations. Moreover, WNZK's day and night operations are on first-adjacent channels--not fourth adjacents! Canada once had a split-frequency operation on 710 days and 1290 nights in Gravelbourg SK, a Francophone enclave in the western prairie, but Canada considered each of its two split-frequency AMs (the other was in Leamington ON) to constitute two stations. Both operations have been dark for many years. Each used different calls day and night; Gravelbourg was CFGR/CFRG; Leamington was CHIR/CHYR. However, since Canadian stations need mention their calls only once a day, call letters were almost a non-issue. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: AM Nighttime Only > Reading Dan Strassberg's b-r-i post about AM nighttime-only stations > reminds me of KPPC 1240AM in Los Angeles..... "the little radio station > that could and did!" > > Beginning on Christmas Day, December 25, 1924 as a 50watt station of the > Pasadena Presbyterian Church by church volunteers, as a non-profit > station with studios in the church's basement (unofficially people later > called an "underground station") with it's transmitter on top of the > church on Colorado Boulevard. (The church is still there today.) It > went on the air after the first Christmas Day services.only for Sunday > church services 11am to Noon, then shut down 6 days. > > It had a "specified hours" FCC license to broadcast in 1938, Sundays 9am > to 1 pm and 6:45pm to 9pm and on Wednesdays 7pm to 9pm again only for > church services. > > In the 1970's and 80's it went up to 22 hours a week, after 1985 with > 250 watts it was broadcasting only at night weekdays and all day > Sunday. (Guess this would be sort of a nighttime-only station?) Again > in 1996, KPPC 1240AM only went on the air Sundays for the church service > 11am to Noon, then shut down for 6 days. > > KPPC originally shared 1210AM in it's long history with a station in San > Bernardino, there were also LA-area AM stations at 1220 Pomona, at 1230 > and 1260 in Los Angeles causing major interference with the 1240 > signal. The church also started an FM station (KPPC 106.7FM in 1962 > selling it in 1968, now KROQ). > > The license still allowed for the transmitter to be turned on each > Sunday morning for one hour, then turned off when the church service > ended. KPPC had come full circle during its last year on the air in > 1996!! It went off the air forever in September, 1996 after 71 years and > 9 months. > > Its sole purpose from the beginning once again was to broadcast the > Sunday church services of its founder from the site where the station > first went on the air Christmas Day of 1924. The station remaining > silent the other 6 days of the week. > > When I was looking for the KPPC studios in 1998, no one in the church > office I met remembered the station or it's history. I asked around the > neighborhood and found that they had left the church basement for a > Colorado Boulevard (that's where the Rose Parade is held every year) > storefront. "KPPC 1240AM" was in small letters on the front door and a > type-written note saying that the studios were being used to broadcast > nighttime, Latino religious programming on the Pomona station. It was > dark, but peering inside the window, there were mics and Latino signage > everywhere, so, in a way, KPPC founded by the Presbyterian church did > have a religious life thereafter! > > (Thanks to Jim Hilliker for some KPPC background history) > KPPC-FM is now in Pocatello, Idaho. There is no AM call. > > =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Aug 11 07:19:08 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:19:08 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> <002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <010101c7dc09$70806eb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Are there still any stations around that share a frequency, or frequencies, within a given area, as was not uncommon years ago? WFAA and WBAP in Dallas/Fort Worth come to mind. I believe they shared 570 and 820 together. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Russ Butler" ; Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:07 PM Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only > Aah--there were lots of specified-hours AM licenses--and one or more may > still exist; Scott Fybush is likely to be able to answer that one. But the > specified hours did not vary month-by-month as a nighttime-only license > would require. I can imagine the courts having to settle the issue about > whether a "specified-hours" station that specified only nighttime hours > would conform to FCC rules and precedents. I doubt whether the courts would > resolve that issue in my lifetime or in the lifetime of AM as a viable > broadcast service. And I can't possibly imagine that the current licensee of > WVBF has the financial resources to pursue the issue in court for the > inevitable decades. > > Maybe if the native-American tribe (actually, I think "American Indian" > recently returned to the politically correct lexicon) that wants to build a > casino in Middleborough were to buy WVBF and plow all of the casino profits > into the legal fight, they might pull it off. But then, the Indians are > probably not interested in serving Taunton. If the casino is built, there is > likely to be more than enough business in Middlebrough to support the > station. > > That could put WVBF in the position of applying for a split-frequency > operation (1530 days with 2.2 kW-D/1 kW-CH and 1570 nights with 227W or > thereabouts) a la WNZK Dearborn Heights MI, the only split-frequency AM in > the US. The FCC has repeatedly asserted that split-frequency operation makes > the very well engineered WNZK substandard from a technical point of view and > that position has survived several attempts by broadcasters to use it as a > precedent for split-frequency operation of other stations. Moreover, WNZK's > day and night operations are on first-adjacent channels--not fourth > adjacents! > > Canada once had a split-frequency operation on 710 days and 1290 nights in > Gravelbourg SK, a Francophone enclave in the western prairie, but Canada > considered each of its two split-frequency AMs (the other was in Leamington > ON) to constitute two stations. Both operations have been dark for many > years. Each used different calls day and night; Gravelbourg was CFGR/CFRG; > Leamington was CHIR/CHYR. However, since Canadian stations need mention > their calls only once a day, call letters were almost a non-issue. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Butler" > To: ; > ; "Russ Butler" > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:38 PM > Subject: AM Nighttime Only > > > > Reading Dan Strassberg's b-r-i post about AM nighttime-only stations > > reminds me of KPPC 1240AM in Los Angeles..... "the little radio station > > that could and did!" > > > > Beginning on Christmas Day, December 25, 1924 as a 50watt station of the > > Pasadena Presbyterian Church by church volunteers, as a non-profit > > station with studios in the church's basement (unofficially people later > > called an "underground station") with it's transmitter on top of the > > church on Colorado Boulevard. (The church is still there today.) It > > went on the air after the first Christmas Day services.only for Sunday > > church services 11am to Noon, then shut down 6 days. > > > > It had a "specified hours" FCC license to broadcast in 1938, Sundays 9am > > to 1 pm and 6:45pm to 9pm and on Wednesdays 7pm to 9pm again only for > > church services. > > > > In the 1970's and 80's it went up to 22 hours a week, after 1985 with > > 250 watts it was broadcasting only at night weekdays and all day > > Sunday. (Guess this would be sort of a nighttime-only station?) Again > > in 1996, KPPC 1240AM only went on the air Sundays for the church service > > 11am to Noon, then shut down for 6 days. > > > > KPPC originally shared 1210AM in it's long history with a station in San > > Bernardino, there were also LA-area AM stations at 1220 Pomona, at 1230 > > and 1260 in Los Angeles causing major interference with the 1240 > > signal. The church also started an FM station (KPPC 106.7FM in 1962 > > selling it in 1968, now KROQ). > > > > The license still allowed for the transmitter to be turned on each > > Sunday morning for one hour, then turned off when the church service > > ended. KPPC had come full circle during its last year on the air in > > 1996!! It went off the air forever in September, 1996 after 71 years and > > 9 months. > > > > Its sole purpose from the beginning once again was to broadcast the > > Sunday church services of its founder from the site where the station > > first went on the air Christmas Day of 1924. The station remaining > > silent the other 6 days of the week. > > > > When I was looking for the KPPC studios in 1998, no one in the church > > office I met remembered the station or it's history. I asked around the > > neighborhood and found that they had left the church basement for a > > Colorado Boulevard (that's where the Rose Parade is held every year) > > storefront. "KPPC 1240AM" was in small letters on the front door and a > > type-written note saying that the studios were being used to broadcast > > nighttime, Latino religious programming on the Pomona station. It was > > dark, but peering inside the window, there were mics and Latino signage > > everywhere, so, in a way, KPPC founded by the Presbyterian church did > > have a religious life thereafter! > > > > (Thanks to Jim Hilliker for some KPPC background history) > > KPPC-FM is now in Pocatello, Idaho. There is no AM call. > > > > =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 07:09:25 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:09:25 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> <002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <010101c7dc09$70806eb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <002101c7dc08$1ad404a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> If any more AM share-time arrangements exist in the US, there is only one--in the Chicago area--and that one may have ended within the past year or so. I am unclear on the current status. Scott Fybush knows, I'm sure. IIRC, two stations, WVON and WCEV, licensed to Cicero IL, had been sharing time on the 1450 graveyard channel. One of them (WVON?) entered into a long-term LMA to operate Clear Channel's 1690 Ex-band facility licensed to Berwyn (ex-WRLL, I think). AFAIK, the WVON calls are now on 1690. That doesn't have to mean that half of the 1450 time-share is dark, though. Several possibilities exist: The owners of the former WVON 1450 might have retained the facility and put new calls (WRLL?) and different programming on it; they might have LMAed the facility to WCEV, which now, in effect, might be operating a full-time station (although, to be legal, it SHOULD ID with calls other than WCEV during the dayparts when WCEV is not licensed to operate); or they might have sold--or be in negotiations to sell--the facility to someone else entirely. An interesting wrinkle in the WVON/WCEV story is that the stations shared a tower but had separate transmitters. If WCEV is operating the former WVON under LMA, does it use the WVON Tx during WVON's hours? The two fransmitters were in separate buildings, both adjacent to the tower base. Scott surely must know what's going on there and I would appreciate it if he would enlighten us! A few noncommercial FM time shares exist and FCC rules suggest the likelihood of more in the not-too-distant future. Unless I have the story wrong (and I could), one of them is imminent in our own back yard. As I understand it, WAVM in Maynard and U Mass Boston (WUMB et al) were just granted CPs to build time-shared stations on 91.7 in Maynard and (I thnk) Stow respectively. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Russ Butler" ; Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only > Are there still any stations around that share a frequency, or frequencies, > within a given area, as was not uncommon years ago? WFAA and WBAP in > Dallas/Fort Worth come to mind. I believe they shared 570 and 820 together. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "Russ Butler" ; > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only > > > > Aah--there were lots of specified-hours AM licenses--and one or more may > > still exist; Scott Fybush is likely to be able to answer that one. But the > > specified hours did not vary month-by-month as a nighttime-only license > > would require. I can imagine the courts having to settle the issue about > > whether a "specified-hours" station that specified only nighttime hours > > would conform to FCC rules and precedents. I doubt whether the courts > would > > resolve that issue in my lifetime or in the lifetime of AM as a viable > > broadcast service. And I can't possibly imagine that the current licensee > of > > WVBF has the financial resources to pursue the issue in court for the > > inevitable decades. > > > > Maybe if the native-American tribe (actually, I think "American Indian" > > recently returned to the politically correct lexicon) that wants to build > a > > casino in Middleborough were to buy WVBF and plow all of the casino > profits > > into the legal fight, they might pull it off. But then, the Indians are > > probably not interested in serving Taunton. If the casino is built, there > is > > likely to be more than enough business in Middlebrough to support the > > station. > > > > That could put WVBF in the position of applying for a split-frequency > > operation (1530 days with 2.2 kW-D/1 kW-CH and 1570 nights with 227W or > > thereabouts) a la WNZK Dearborn Heights MI, the only split-frequency AM in > > the US. The FCC has repeatedly asserted that split-frequency operation > makes > > the very well engineered WNZK substandard from a technical point of view > and > > that position has survived several attempts by broadcasters to use it as a > > precedent for split-frequency operation of other stations. Moreover, > WNZK's > > day and night operations are on first-adjacent channels--not fourth > > adjacents! > > > > Canada once had a split-frequency operation on 710 days and 1290 nights in > > Gravelbourg SK, a Francophone enclave in the western prairie, but Canada > > considered each of its two split-frequency AMs (the other was in > Leamington > > ON) to constitute two stations. Both operations have been dark for many > > years. Each used different calls day and night; Gravelbourg was CFGR/CFRG; > > Leamington was CHIR/CHYR. However, since Canadian stations need mention > > their calls only once a day, call letters were almost a non-issue. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Russ Butler" > > To: ; > > ; "Russ Butler" > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:38 PM > > Subject: AM Nighttime Only > > > > > > > Reading Dan Strassberg's b-r-i post about AM nighttime-only stations > > > reminds me of KPPC 1240AM in Los Angeles..... "the little radio station > > > that could and did!" > > > > > > Beginning on Christmas Day, December 25, 1924 as a 50watt station of the > > > Pasadena Presbyterian Church by church volunteers, as a non-profit > > > station with studios in the church's basement (unofficially people later > > > called an "underground station") with it's transmitter on top of the > > > church on Colorado Boulevard. (The church is still there today.) It > > > went on the air after the first Christmas Day services.only for Sunday > > > church services 11am to Noon, then shut down 6 days. > > > > > > It had a "specified hours" FCC license to broadcast in 1938, Sundays 9am > > > to 1 pm and 6:45pm to 9pm and on Wednesdays 7pm to 9pm again only for > > > church services. > > > > > > In the 1970's and 80's it went up to 22 hours a week, after 1985 with > > > 250 watts it was broadcasting only at night weekdays and all day > > > Sunday. (Guess this would be sort of a nighttime-only station?) Again > > > in 1996, KPPC 1240AM only went on the air Sundays for the church service > > > 11am to Noon, then shut down for 6 days. > > > > > > KPPC originally shared 1210AM in it's long history with a station in San > > > Bernardino, there were also LA-area AM stations at 1220 Pomona, at 1230 > > > and 1260 in Los Angeles causing major interference with the 1240 > > > signal. The church also started an FM station (KPPC 106.7FM in 1962 > > > selling it in 1968, now KROQ). > > > > > > The license still allowed for the transmitter to be turned on each > > > Sunday morning for one hour, then turned off when the church service > > > ended. KPPC had come full circle during its last year on the air in > > > 1996!! It went off the air forever in September, 1996 after 71 years and > > > 9 months. > > > > > > Its sole purpose from the beginning once again was to broadcast the > > > Sunday church services of its founder from the site where the station > > > first went on the air Christmas Day of 1924. The station remaining > > > silent the other 6 days of the week. > > > > > > When I was looking for the KPPC studios in 1998, no one in the church > > > office I met remembered the station or it's history. I asked around the > > > neighborhood and found that they had left the church basement for a > > > Colorado Boulevard (that's where the Rose Parade is held every year) > > > storefront. "KPPC 1240AM" was in small letters on the front door and a > > > type-written note saying that the studios were being used to broadcast > > > nighttime, Latino religious programming on the Pomona station. It was > > > dark, but peering inside the window, there were mics and Latino signage > > > everywhere, so, in a way, KPPC founded by the Presbyterian church did > > > have a religious life thereafter! > > > > > > (Thanks to Jim Hilliker for some KPPC background history) > > > KPPC-FM is now in Pocatello, Idaho. There is no AM call. > > > > > > =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 09:35:05 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:35:05 -0400 Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse Message-ID: <4fc429770708110635w49729d80obc26fdecafa3a936@mail.gmail.com> Rumors are flying that Jason Wolfe has tried to get Jerry Trupiano back on Red Sox radio but Larry Lucchino refuses to budge. Geffner is getting worse with each game and Castiglione now seems to ignore him and his babbling. Sox blogs are having a field day with this. http://soxanddawgs.com/?p=1874 http://38cliches.blogspot.com/2007/08/who-does-glenn-geffner-work-for.html From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 10:35:51 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708110635w49729d80obc26fdecafa3a936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <323423.62229.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Rumors are flying that Jason Wolfe has tried to get Jerry Trupiano > back on Red Sox radio but Larry Lucchino refuses to budge. > > Geffner is getting worse with each game and Castiglione now seems to > ignore him and his babbling. > > Sox blogs are having a field day with this. > > http://soxanddawgs.com/?p=1874 > > http://38cliches.blogspot.com/2007/08/who-does-glenn-geffner-work-for.html Funny thing is, Geffner has gotten *much* better over the course of the season. Castiglione and Trupiano had the chemistry of an ice-cube tray, so I don't know why Joe really would care either way. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Aug 11 14:06:27 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:06:27 -0700 Subject: Chicago share timers Message-ID: <46BDFAA3.5070305@comcast.net> Three, 250watt stations shared the broadcast day in Chicago from 1928 to 1997. They were all first on 1210AM, then beginning in 1941, shared 1240AM. WSBC started in 1923 by the Silvertone Battery Company, later World Battery Company, makers of batteries for radio power before electricity. (The Atlass Brothers also made batteries for radios when they started Chicago's WBBM in 1911 with the slogan "World's Best Battery Maker" W=B=B=M) Broadcast tower for WSBC 1Kw signal is still at 4949 W. Belmont Ave. WEDC started in 1926 by The Emil Denemark Cadillac dealership to advertise their cars at Ogden and Cermak. Their broadcast time was from Midnight to 8 a.m. (nighttime only) with a deejay in the showroom with turntables who took phone requests for records from the nurses and flight attendants living in an apartment complex across the street. Just for fun, he occasionally tooted the Cadillac's horn in the showroom when a caller won a onair contest! Transmitter was on top of the dealership. Incidentally as an aside and somewhat comparable - WEBH-FM returned to Chicago's Edgewater Beach Hotel in the mid-1950's with "fishbowl" studios in the elegant lobby of the hotel (I worked onair there as hotel guests gawked in the window) with transmitter on the hotel's roof. Originally, WEBH 810AM started in 1924 to broadcast dance bands in the same hotel location until 1929 - and, Amos 'n Andy got their start as "Sam and Henry" at the WEBH hotel studios before they went to WMAQ-NBC. WCRW was started by Clinton R. White (W=C=R=W) and his wife, Josephine also in 1926 to broadcast the live orchestras who played on the roof top of their Pine Grove Apartments where they lived at 2756 N. Pine Grove. The transmitter tower was on the roof with 100watts of power, originally. Their shared time was a divided day with WSBC, each had some daytime hours and nighttime hours to broadcast programs 8 a.m. until Midnight. Josephine was the only deejay in the 1920's and 30's and did the office work, while Clinton sold advertising and did the technical work. He died in the 1950's during a meeting on the roof about his transmitter and tower improvements, and Josephine died in 1990 at age 90. In later years, she would take the elevator to the penthouse where WCRW was located wearing slippers and a housecoat and nobody thought anything about it, it was "their radio station" after all! WSBC bought out the other share time stations in 1997 and all were programming ethnic shows by then and all were broadcasting 1Kw. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Aug 11 12:56:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:56:00 -0500 Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse Message-ID: <20070811165600.6D47749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Meanwhile Scott's Shots at Boston Sports Media says that Dennis and Callahan are still negotiating with WEEI (contract due to expire early next month); supposedly (and this could just be a contract ploy) another broadcast entity is coveting D&C and may want to start a regional sports radio network with them as morning drive. (Again, probably just a contract plot, but who knows...it does sound like an interesting concept, though.) http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/shots/ And I would like to see Trup come "way back! way back!" to Red Sox radio. From map@mapinternet.com Sat Aug 11 14:16:29 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:16:29 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> <002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <004301c7dc43$bd986830$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Split frequency doesn't sound like such a bad idea. At least 227 watts would serve a significant area. Just use 2 buttons on your radio. Of course then there is the cost of the filing changes and engineeering. Wasn't WNYC - New York City split 820/830 a few years back? Mark K1MAP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" casino is built, there is > likely to be more than enough business in Middlebrough to support the > station. > > That could put WVBF in the position of applying for a split-frequency > operation (1530 days with 2.2 kW-D/1 kW-CH and 1570 nights with 227W or > thereabouts) a la WNZK Dearborn Heights MI, the only split-frequency AM in > the US. The FCC has repeatedly asserted that split-frequency operation > makes > the very well engineered WNZK substandard from a technical point of view > and > that position has survived several attempts by broadcasters to use it as a > precedent for split-frequency operation of other stations. Moreover, > WNZK's > day and night operations are on first-adjacent channels--not fourth > adjacents! > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Aug 11 14:43:25 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:43:25 -0400 Subject: Share-time stations In-Reply-To: <002101c7dc08$1ad404a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net> <002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <010101c7dc09$70806eb0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <002101c7dc08$1ad404a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <18110.845.185055.57386@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Unless I have the story wrong (and I could), one of them is imminent > in our own back yard. As I understand it, WAVM in Maynard and U Mass > Boston (WUMB et al) were just granted CPs to build time-shared > stations on 91.7 in Maynard and (I thnk) Stow respectively. As reported recently in NERW, the two stations will share transmitter facilities, with WUMB's station operating whenever the students at WAVM are not. With the upgrade, there's a good chance that they will be audible here in Framingham about a dozen miles away. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 11 14:48:36 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:48:36 -0500 Subject: AM Nighttime Only Message-ID: <20070811184836.1ADCD1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Casey" >To: "Dan Strassberg" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only >Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:16:29 -0400 >Split frequency doesn't sound like such a bad idea. At least 227 >watts would serve a significant area. Just use 2 buttons on your >radio. >Of course then there is the cost of the filing changes and engineeering. >Wasn't WNYC - New York City split 820/830 a few years back? >Mark >K1MAP The last edition of Vane A. Jones's "North American Radio & TV List" (the one with conjoined twins: one watching TV, the other lstening to the radio) I possess, possibly the last one published, had WNYC operating on 830 khz with 50,000 watts day and night. I wonder why they moved to 820 to boost their power when they would have to contend with WGY-AM 810 to the north. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 14:32:48 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:32:48 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <46BCDABF.3000807@comcast.net><002c01c7dbbc$6de669e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <004301c7dc43$bd986830$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <001e01c7dc4b$963a2780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> That may have been while WNYC tuned up its DA. They may have operated on 820 days from their then-new site diplexed with WMCA in S Kearney (using the new night pattern and power--which was to have been 5 kW, but wound up at 1 kW because the nearby Pulaski Skyway Bridge wrecks the pattern and throws a lot of signal to the northwest toward CHAM) and on 830 limited-time nights with 1 kW per their old license from their old two-tower site near the East River in Brooklyn. IIRC, the engineers worked on the 820 night pattern for well over a year before giving up and applying for a reduction in night power and a waiver of the FCC rule that requires an NIF signal over 80% of the population of the CoL. Anyhow, such arrangements during proofing of a new facility are somewhat uncommon and would not be considered for a permanent license. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Casey" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only > Split frequency doesn't sound like such a bad idea. At least 227 watts would > serve a significant area. Just use 2 buttons on your radio. > > Of course then there is the cost of the filing changes and engineeering. > > Wasn't WNYC - New York City split 820/830 a few years back? > > Mark > K1MAP > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > > > casino is built, there is > > likely to be more than enough business in Middlebrough to support the > > station. > > > > That could put WVBF in the position of applying for a split-frequency > > operation (1530 days with 2.2 kW-D/1 kW-CH and 1570 nights with 227W or > > thereabouts) a la WNZK Dearborn Heights MI, the only split-frequency AM in > > the US. The FCC has repeatedly asserted that split-frequency operation > > makes > > the very well engineered WNZK substandard from a technical point of view > > and > > that position has survived several attempts by broadcasters to use it as a > > precedent for split-frequency operation of other stations. Moreover, > > WNZK's > > day and night operations are on first-adjacent channels--not fourth > > adjacents! > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 15:12:33 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:12:33 -0400 Subject: Chicago share timers References: <46BDFAA3.5070305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001f01c7dc4b$970b3320$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Thanks for explaining the 1240 Chicago call letters. It appears that the original WEBH (AM) must have been somehow connected to the station that is now on 820 in Chicago. Didn't the Pre-NARBA 810 become today's 820? The 820 station has had several sets of calls in recent years but I think is best known as WAIT, which may or may not be the current calls. Except for a brief period 10 or 15 years ago when it operated nights until it lost its Tx site, the 820 station has been a daytimer (limited-time actually--signing off at Fort Worth--WBAP, and before that WFAA/WBAP--sunset). I think that the 820 station, which now transmits days from the WXRT (FM) tower on Chicago's North Side, again holds a CP for night operation using a new CoL (Willow Springs?) and 1500W from a six-tower array outside the Chicago city limits southwest of the Loop. At one point many decades ago, the FCC forced the Chicago 820 station (it was probably still on 810 at that time) to share time with a station that had the calls WCBD licensed to (I think) Zion IL. As I've heard the story, WCBD then bought out WAIT and operated during its entire boradcast day as WAIT using WAIT's transmitter site and Chicago CoL. Chicago absolutely has some of America's most interesting radio history! Here is an interesting, apocryphal story about the Chicago 1240 trio. According to the story, when Fred Eyechaner's NewsWeb Corp bought out WEDC and WCRW and merged them into WSBC, NewsWeb kept all three licenses for quite a while and MAY actually have used all three transmitter sites during different dayparts. Since WSBC's format is multi-ethnic, the speculation was that WSBC used whichever site delivered the best signal to each program's target ethnic group. However, when the licenses were up for renewal, the FCC's position was, "It's one station now, so pick a site and use it full-time. An auxiliary site is acceptable but you can't use it routinely--only when there is a reason--such as tower maintenance--not to use the main site. Surrender the two licenses that you aren't using." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Chicago share timers > Three, 250watt stations shared the broadcast day in Chicago from 1928 to > 1997. They were all first on 1210AM, then beginning in 1941, shared 1240AM. > > WSBC started in 1923 by the Silvertone Battery Company, later World > Battery Company, makers of batteries for radio power before > electricity. (The Atlass Brothers also made batteries for radios when > they started Chicago's WBBM in 1911 with the slogan "World's Best > Battery Maker" W=B=B=M) Broadcast tower for WSBC 1Kw signal is still at > 4949 W. Belmont Ave. > > WEDC started in 1926 by The Emil Denemark Cadillac dealership to > advertise their cars at Ogden and Cermak. Their broadcast time was from > Midnight to 8 a.m. (nighttime only) with a deejay in the showroom with > turntables who took phone requests for records from the nurses and > flight attendants living in an apartment complex across the street. > Just for fun, he occasionally tooted the Cadillac's horn in the showroom > when a caller won a onair contest! Transmitter was on top of the > dealership. > > Incidentally as an aside and somewhat comparable - WEBH-FM returned to > Chicago's Edgewater Beach Hotel in the mid-1950's with "fishbowl" > studios in the elegant lobby of the hotel (I worked onair there as hotel > guests gawked in the window) with transmitter on the hotel's roof. > Originally, WEBH 810AM started in 1924 to broadcast dance bands in the > same hotel location until 1929 - and, Amos 'n Andy got their start as > "Sam and Henry" at the WEBH hotel studios before they went to WMAQ-NBC. > > WCRW was started by Clinton R. White (W=C=R=W) and his wife, Josephine > also in 1926 to broadcast the live orchestras who played on the roof top > of their Pine Grove Apartments where they lived at 2756 N. Pine Grove. > The transmitter tower was on the roof with 100watts of power, originally. > > Their shared time was a divided day with WSBC, each had some daytime > hours and nighttime hours to broadcast programs 8 a.m. until Midnight. > Josephine was the only deejay in the 1920's and 30's and did the office > work, while Clinton sold advertising and did the technical work. He > died in the 1950's during a meeting on the roof about his transmitter > and tower improvements, and Josephine died in 1990 at age 90. In later > years, she would take the elevator to the penthouse where WCRW was > located wearing slippers and a housecoat and nobody thought anything > about it, it was "their radio station" after all! > > WSBC bought out the other share time stations in 1997 and all were > programming ethnic shows by then and all were broadcasting 1Kw. > > =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 15:29:17 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:29:17 -0400 Subject: AM Nighttime Only References: <20070811184836.1ADCD1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002801c7dc4d$ee59bf00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WNYC proposed 50 kW full-time on 830 but those facilities were NEVER granted. Instead, after many, many years of hearings and deliberations, the FCC granted 10 kW-D/5 kW-N on 820, thus killing off an application for 820 for Weymouth or some other community on the South Shore. Eventually, the death of the South Shore app made way for Worcester's WCRN and then the relaxation of second-adjacent-channel overlap restrictions enabled WCRN to increase first its day power and then also its night power to 50 kW. You might say that New York City's loss became Central Mass's gain (or nowadays, you might call it the Red Sox gain). I don't know whether WNYC was contemplating diplexing with WMCA when it proposed increasing to 50 kW on 830 but if that was the idea, the FCC sure had the right idea when it moved WNYC to 820. As I mentioned in another post, the nearby Pulaski Skyway Bridge wrecks WNYC's night pattern (there are HUGE augmentations to the northwest). On 820 the problem was enough to force a power reduction to 1 kW from the originally granted 5 kw. On 830, it would have been fatal to the night operation because the problems lie to the northwest, right where WCCO is. As it was, had Canada not put CHAM on 820 before WNYC built its 820 facilities, WNYC could probably be running 5 kw at night. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Mark Casey" ; "Dan Strassberg" ; Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Casey" >To: "Dan Strassberg" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: AM Nighttime Only >Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:16:29 -0400 >Split frequency doesn't sound like such a bad idea. At least 227 >watts would serve a significant area. Just use 2 buttons on your >radio. >Of course then there is the cost of the filing changes and engineeering. >Wasn't WNYC - New York City split 820/830 a few years back? >Mark >K1MAP The last edition of Vane A. Jones's "North American Radio & TV List" (the one with conjoined twins: one watching TV, the other lstening to the radio) I possess, possibly the last one published, had WNYC operating on 830 khz with 50,000 watts day and night. I wonder why they moved to 820 to boost their power when they would have to contend with WGY-AM 810 to the north. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 11 14:57:10 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:57:10 -0400 Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse In-Reply-To: <20070811165600.6D47749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070811165600.6D47749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070811185714.C989744C231@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:56 PM 8/11/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >And I would like to see Trup come "way back! way back!" to Red Sox radio. So would a lot of us. Does anyone know the real story about why Trupiano was dumped? A truly boneheaded move, I must say. I mean, he wasn't gonna make the world forget Mel Allen or Vin Scully, but he was a very solid and knowledgeable sportscaster and did a very good job, in my opinion. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 11 17:18:19 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:18:19 -0400 Subject: Lowell Sun Chairman Of The Board's Column Mentions WCAP Sale Message-ID: <002401c7dc5d$2467f350$f1a4764c@Mark> Kendall Wallace, Chairman of the Board of the Lowell Sun, has a weekly "Saturday Chat" column, where he gives his opinion on local, national or world stories and events. In the first portion of today's column, he mentions that the sale of WCAP could be officially announced as early as Monday. He also wished the best to Maurice Cohen in his retirement years and to the new owners as they seek to build on the Cohen legacy. A link to the column : http://www.lowellsun.com/wallace/ci_6600880 Also, here's a link to the Sun's complete story on the impending sale from Thursday's paper: http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_6582652 Mark Watson From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 18:22:53 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse In-Reply-To: <20070811185714.C989744C231@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <791471.78173.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Donna Halper wrote: > So would a lot of us. Does anyone know the real story about why > Trupiano was dumped? A truly boneheaded move, I must say. I mean, > he wasn't gonna make the world forget Mel Allen or Vin Scully, but he > > was a very solid and knowledgeable sportscaster and did a very good > job, in my opinion. The opportunity to acquire a guy with Dave O'Brien's pipes was too good to pass up. On Trupiano, we'll have to agree to disagree. Trup was a hideous baseball play-by-play guy. His gravely voice made me tolerate (appreciate?) John Sterling, who is hated by almost every Yankee fan alive. "WAY BACK, WAY BACK ... (mumbling) and caught on the warning track." I intentionally listened to Sterling/Kay when the Yankees played the Sox over Trupiano/Castiglione. This year has made me appreciate Castiglione a lot more, especially when he carries the ball when paired with Geffner in the booth. Still, the Trup/Castiglione pairing is one of the worst in the history of Major League Baseball on the radio, and that opinion has been offered by many more experienced ears than me. After Coleman/Castiglione and Starr/Castiglione, Trup/Castiglione was a major downgrade. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 20:32:53 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:32:53 -0400 Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse In-Reply-To: <791471.78173.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20070811185714.C989744C231@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <791471.78173.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708111732k768eda79pce746a1fc7194839@mail.gmail.com> Trup was odd man out as Lucchino promised Geffner the job. WEEI didn't want him then settled for Obie part time for 60 games. Trup is still far better than GG. Rumors at the park today that WBCN wants D&C. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 09:32:14 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:32:14 -0400 Subject: need a favor Message-ID: <4fc429770708110632w614ba542odd17c562f576e69c@mail.gmail.com> I forgot to set my VCR today to tape the Seadogs game on NESN (will start around 2:30 or 3) A friend in Illinois wants the tape as his nephew is starting for Portland. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Aug 11 21:43:44 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:43:44 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage Message-ID: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> Can someone point me to the exact verbiage required for a daily sign on/sign-off of a broadcast station. Brian Vita From sid@wrko.com Sat Aug 11 21:54:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:54:20 -0600 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage Message-ID: It's in section 73.1201 of the FCC's rules. Do a legal I'd...that's all that's required. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vita To: Board, boston Radio Interest Sent: 8/11/2007 9:43:44 PM Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage Can someone point me to the exact verbiage required for a daily sign on/sign-off of a broadcast station. Brian Vita From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Aug 11 22:36:09 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:36:09 -0700 Subject: pORTLAND or SHARE TIME am Message-ID: <46BE7219.3010403@comcast.net> Here's a description of KBPS-AM at 1450Kc in Portland OR (the FM is completely separate entity and all classical, non-commercial www.allclassical.org) The AM is a heritage station (began in the 1920's) with transmitter, tower and studios at a technical high school and now shares time with Portland State University who broadcast at night, weekdays. * KBPS* is a high school radio broadcast station run by Benson Polytechnic High School students enrolled in the radio broadcasting program. From 8 a.m. until 3 p.m., /Kid Rhythm Radio/ provides kid-friendly music. After 3 p.m., the students can come in and play music more suited for them courtesy of the /Teen Sound/ program. KBPS currently runs oldies from 2 a.m. until 8 a.m. Monday through Friday and weekends from 2 a.m. until noon. After 5pm, Portland State University (KPSU) rents out the 1450 AM frequency for their college radio station, which broadcasts from 5 p.m. until 2 a.m. on weekdays and from noon to 2 a.m. on the weekends. KBPS-AM broadcasts in AM Stereo . From rogerkola@aol.com Sun Aug 12 09:56:19 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:56:19 -0300 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> WBMT in 88.3 in Boxford does a really formal signoff last I heard. Kind of like the old days of tv where you waited for the Star Spangled Banner, the Indian and the tone. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > Can someone point me to the exact verbiage required for a daily sign > on/sign-off of a broadcast station. > > Brian Vita > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Aug 12 00:52:04 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:52:04 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <019f01c7dc9c$87c43460$6501a8c0@pastor2> So many stations broadcast or telecast 24/7 now, it's been several years since I last heard a sign-on or sign-off. Are there other stations around that do it? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Brian Vita" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > WBMT in 88.3 in Boxford does a really formal signoff last I heard. Kind of > like the old days of tv where you waited for the Star Spangled Banner, the > Indian and the tone. > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "boston Radio Interest Board" > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:43 PM > Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > > > > Can someone point me to the exact verbiage required for a daily sign > > on/sign-off of a broadcast station. > > > > Brian Vita > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 11 13:46:06 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:46:06 -0400 Subject: The Glenn Geffner mess getting worse In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708110635w49729d80obc26fdecafa3a936@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708110635w49729d80obc26fdecafa3a936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F788EF9A5541BEB98000D4287F22CF@DanBillingsPC> I don't listen to the Sox on the radio unless I am in the car so I can't judge the current team. I have been impressed with Dave O'Brien when I have heard him on ESPN. But in the past, I heard lots of Trupiano and he was horrible. The fact that he did not get another job when let go by the Sox speaks volumes. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From francini@mac.com Sun Aug 12 09:40:41 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:40:41 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: My favorite was WGBH-TV 2's sign-on/sign-off, which was actually fairly long, with a full explanation of what the WGBH Educational Foundation did, which channels it broadcast on, and some really cool harpsichord music. I've been after that particular piece of music for years. Actually, just checked YouTube and found one version of it there: Still would like the music, though... j -- John Francini, francini@mac.com "The journey is more important than the destination -- that's part of life. If you only live for getting to the end, you're almost always disappointed." -- Donald Knuth From scott@fybush.com Sun Aug 12 09:51:41 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:51:41 -0400 Subject: pORTLAND or SHARE TIME am In-Reply-To: <46BE7219.3010403@comcast.net> References: <46BE7219.3010403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46BF106D.1080702@fybush.com> Russ Butler wrote: > Here's a description of KBPS-AM at 1450Kc in Portland OR (the FM is > completely separate entity and all classical, non-commercial > www.allclassical.org) The AM is a heritage station (began in the 1920's) > with transmitter, tower and studios at a technical high school and now > shares time with Portland State University who broadcast at night, > weekdays. KBPS/"KPSU" is an interesting situation, but not technically a share-timer. There's only one license - KBPS - with the licensee leasing out about half its airtime to a separate programmer ("KPSU"). Even during the KPSU programming hours, the station IDs as KBPS Portland, as it should. (You can hear an ID on the Portland OR page at tophour.com - http://www.tophour.com/audio/Portland%20OR/am1450_2006-09_kbps_sfybush_c.mp3) As for the Chicago situation Dan cited, the former WVON half of the 1450 sharetimer remains separate from the WCEV half. It now uses the calls WRLL (when it remembers to ID), and seems to program mostly black gospel and preachers. When I was through there in May, I listened for the 1 PM handoff from WRLL to WCEV, which consisted of WRLL cutting the preacher off mid-sentence, a moment of dead air, and then the WCEV ID. They used to do a much nicer handoff. s From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 10:12:27 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:12:27 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <019f01c7dc9c$87c43460$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <019f01c7dc9c$87c43460$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708120712w643ceb36h94e8e4e417862464@mail.gmail.com> I now have the WGBH music in my head and I would love to know the name of that piece. The old Channel 5 ran the Air Force prayer and Channel 4 showed the skyline from Rt. 2. Channel 7 did nothing special. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 10:30:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:30:13 -0400 Subject: CJRN 710 Message-ID: <4fc429770708120730n68f78d6cq958434343f647a13@mail.gmail.com> Last night while trying to get the Cubs on 720 I was shocked to be getting a strong signal from CJRN which maybe the most directional signal in North America as they use 10 towers at night to protect WOR. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 12:12:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:12:13 -0400 Subject: CJRN 710 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708120730n68f78d6cq958434343f647a13@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708120730n68f78d6cq958434343f647a13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708120912r1eb65daft856b342a709403ca@mail.gmail.com> Does any station have more than 10 towers? From scott@fybush.com Sun Aug 12 12:16:42 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:16:42 -0400 Subject: CJRN 710 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708120912r1eb65daft856b342a709403ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708120730n68f78d6cq958434343f647a13@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708120912r1eb65daft856b342a709403ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BF326A.3020808@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Does any station have more than 10 towers? > KFXR 1190 in Dallas has 12 towers in its night array. KNTH 1070 in Houston has 11. There are others as well. Garrett? :-) s From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 12 12:33:07 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:33:07 -0400 Subject: CJRN 710 In-Reply-To: <46BF326A.3020808@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770708120730n68f78d6cq958434343f647a13@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708120912r1eb65daft856b342a709403ca@mail.gmail.com> <46BF326A.3020808@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18111.13891.960765.931302@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > KFXR 1190 in Dallas has 12 towers in its night array. KNTH 1070 in > Houston has 11. There are others as well. Garrett? :-) Scott looks over in my direction because I just compiled such a list a few months ago. This is the complete list for the U.S.: Call | Freq | Towers | Community | Hrs | GAW? | SDF? ------+------+--------+-------------+-----+------+------ WCHB | 1200 | 10 | TAYLOR, MI | N | t | t KNTH | 1070 | 11 | HOUSTON, TX | D | f | f KFXR | 1190 | 12 | DALLAS, TX | N | t | t (3 rows) The complete list of all six-or-more-tower DAs is: Call | Freq | Towers | Community | Hrs | GAW? | SDF? ------+------+--------+-----------------------+-----+------+------ KBBW | 1010 | 6 | WACO-MARLIN, TX | N | f | f KBIB | 1000 | 6 | MARION, TX | D | f | f KBLA | 1580 | 6 | SANTA MONICA, CA | N | f | t KBOI | 670 | 6 | BOISE, ID | N | f | f KCFO | 970 | 6 | TULSA, OK | D | f | f KCKN | 1020 | 6 | ROSWELL, NM | N | f | f KCOR | 1350 | 6 | SAN ANTONIO, TX | N | f | f KDHL | 920 | 6 | FARIBAULT, MN | N | f | f KDXE | 1380 | 6 | NORTH LITTLE ROCK, AR | D | f | f KDXE | 1380 | 6 | NORTH LITTLE ROCK, AR | N | f | f KEBR | 1210 | 6 | ROCKLIN, CA | D | f | t KEDA | 1540 | 6 | SAN ANTONIO, TX | N | f | f KEEL | 710 | 6 | SHREVEPORT, LA | N | f | f KFAN | 1130 | 6 | MINNEAPOLIS, MN | D | t | t KFLC | 1270 | 6 | FORT WORTH, TX | N | t | t KFXZ | 1520 | 6 | LAFAYETTE, LA | C | f | f KFXZ | 1520 | 6 | LAFAYETTE, LA | N | f | f KGBT | 1530 | 6 | HARLINGEN, TX | C | f | f KGBT | 1530 | 6 | HARLINGEN, TX | N | f | f KHMO | 1070 | 6 | HANNIBAL, MO | N | f | f KHSE | 700 | 6 | WYLIE, TX | D | f | f KHSE | 700 | 6 | WYLIE, TX | N | f | f KILE | 1560 | 6 | BELLAIRE, TX | D | f | f KJLL | 1330 | 6 | SOUTH TUCSON, AZ | N | f | f KJOC | 1170 | 6 | DAVENPORT, IA | N | t | t KKAA | 1560 | 6 | ABERDEEN, SD | N | f | f KKAG | 740 | 6 | FARGO, ND | C | f | f KKAG | 740 | 6 | FARGO, ND | D | f | f KKAG | 740 | 6 | FARGO, ND | N | f | f KLAT | 1010 | 6 | HOUSTON, TX | D | f | f KLAT | 1010 | 6 | HOUSTON, TX | N | f | f KMIA | 710 | 6 | BLACK CANYON CITY, AZ | N | f | t KMIK | 1580 | 6 | TEMPE, AZ | N | f | t KMNY | 1360 | 6 | HURST, TX | D | t | t KMPC | 1540 | 6 | LOS ANGELES, CA | D | t | t KMPC | 1540 | 6 | LOS ANGELES, CA | N | t | t KMUS | 1380 | 6 | SPERRY, OK | D | f | f KMUS | 1380 | 6 | SPERRY, OK | N | f | f KMXA | 1090 | 6 | AURORA, CO | N | f | f KOIL | 1020 | 6 | PLATTSMOUTH, NE | N | t | t KOLM | 1520 | 6 | ROCHESTER, MN | N | f | f KPHN | 1190 | 6 | KANSAS CITY, MO | N | t | t KPSZ | 940 | 6 | DES MOINES, IA | N | t | t KRHW | 1520 | 6 | SIKESTON, MO | N | f | f KRMG | 740 | 6 | TULSA, OK | N | f | f KSDO | 1130 | 6 | SAN DIEGO, CA | N | t | t KTEK | 1110 | 6 | ALVIN, TX | C | f | f KTEK | 1110 | 6 | ALVIN, TX | D | f | f KTXZ | 1560 | 6 | WEST LAKE HILLS, TX | N | f | f KUTR | 820 | 6 | TAYLORSVILLE, UT | N | f | f KVCE | 1160 | 6 | HIGHLAND PARK, TX | D | f | f KVCE | 1160 | 6 | HIGHLAND PARK, TX | N | f | f KVRI | 1600 | 6 | BLAINE, WA | D | f | t KVRI | 1600 | 6 | BLAINE, WA | N | f | t KXEN | 1010 | 6 | ST. LOUIS, MO | D | t | t WACV | 1170 | 6 | MONTGOMERY, AL | N | f | f WALE | 990 | 6 | GREENVILLE, RI | D | t | t WALE | 990 | 6 | GREENVILLE, RI | N | t | t WAQI | 710 | 6 | MIAMI, FL | N | f | f WCAR | 1090 | 6 | LIVONIA, MI | N | f | t WCBM | 680 | 6 | BALTIMORE, MD | D | f | f WCBM | 680 | 6 | BALTIMORE, MD | N | f | f WCFJ | 1470 | 6 | CHICAGO HEIGHTS, IL | D | f | f WCUE | 1150 | 6 | CUYAHOGA FALLS, OH | D | f | t WCUE | 1150 | 6 | CUYAHOGA FALLS, OH | N | f | t WDIA | 1070 | 6 | MEMPHIS, TN | N | f | f WDRJ | 1440 | 6 | INKSTER, MI | D | t | t WDRJ | 1440 | 6 | INKSTER, MI | N | t | t WDTW | 1310 | 6 | DEARBORN, MI | N | f | t WEEV | 1300 | 6 | RENSSELAER, NY | N | t | t WFLF | 540 | 6 | PINE HILLS, FL | N | f | f WGFT | 1330 | 6 | CAMPBELL, OH | D | f | t WHBY | 1150 | 6 | KIMBERLY, WI | D | t | t WHBY | 1150 | 6 | KIMBERLY, WI | N | t | t WHIY | 1600 | 6 | HUNTSVILLE, AL | N | f | t WHKZ | 1440 | 6 | WARREN, OH | N | f | t WHNZ | 1250 | 6 | TAMPA, FL | D | f | f WHP | 580 | 6 | HARRISBURG, PA | N | t | t WIBC | 1070 | 6 | INDIANAPOLIS, IN | N | f | t WINZ | 940 | 6 | MIAMI, FL | N | f | f WISN | 1130 | 6 | MILWAUKEE, WI | D | t | t WJKB | 950 | 6 | MONCKS CORNER, SC | D | f | f WJKB | 950 | 6 | MONCKS CORNER, SC | N | f | f WJMP | 1520 | 6 | KENT, OH | D | f | f WKBN | 570 | 6 | YOUNGSTOWN, OH | N | f | t WLGZ | 990 | 6 | ROCHESTER, NY | N | t | t WLHN | 990 | 6 | MUNCIE, IN | D | f | f WLHN | 990 | 6 | MUNCIE, IN | N | f | f WLNO | 1060 | 6 | NEW ORLEANS, LA | N | f | t WMLM | 1520 | 6 | ST. LOUIS, MI | N | f | f WMYM | 990 | 6 | MIAMI, FL | D | f | f WMYM | 990 | 6 | MIAMI, FL | N | f | f WNIO | 1390 | 6 | YOUNGSTOWN, OH | N | f | t WNTD | 950 | 6 | CHICAGO, IL | N | f | t WNZK | 690 | 6 | DEARBORN HEIGHTS, MI | D | t | t WNZK | 680 | 6 | DEARBORN HEIGHTS, MI | N | t | t WOKV | 690 | 6 | JACKSONVILLE, FL | N | f | f WOSU | 820 | 6 | COLUMBUS, OH | N | t | t WOWW | 1430 | 6 | GERMANTOWN, TN | N | f | f WPHM | 1380 | 6 | PORT HURON, MI | D | t | t WQTM | 740 | 6 | ORLANDO, FL | D | f | f WQTM | 740 | 6 | ORLANDO, FL | N | f | f WRDZ | 1300 | 6 | LA GRANGE, IL | N | t | f WRGM | 1440 | 6 | ONTARIO, OH | D | f | t WRGM | 1440 | 6 | ONTARIO, OH | N | f | t WRHB | 1020 | 6 | KENDALL, FL | D | f | f WRHB | 1020 | 6 | KENDALL, FL | N | f | f WSGW | 790 | 6 | SAGINAW, MI | D | f | f WSGW | 790 | 6 | SAGINAW, MI | N | f | f WSRF | 1580 | 6 | FORT LAUDERDALE, FL | N | f | f WTAR | 850 | 6 | NORFOLK, VA | N | f | f WTBN | 570 | 6 | PINELLAS PARK, FL | D | f | f WTBN | 570 | 6 | PINELLAS PARK, FL | N | f | f WTMJ | 620 | 6 | MILWAUKEE, WI | N | t | t WTOB | 1380 | 6 | WINSTON-SALEM, NC | N | t | t WTPS | 1080 | 6 | CORAL GABLES, FL | D | f | f WTPS | 1080 | 6 | CORAL GABLES, FL | N | f | f WTSO | 1070 | 6 | MADISON, WI | N | t | t WTVN | 610 | 6 | COLUMBUS, OH | N | t | t WUCO | 1270 | 6 | MARYSVILLE, OH | D | t | t WVIE | 1370 | 6 | PIKESVILLE, MD | D | f | t WVIE | 1370 | 6 | PIKESVILLE, MD | N | f | f WVOL | 1470 | 6 | BERRY HILL, TN | N | f | t WWFE | 670 | 6 | MIAMI, FL | N | f | f WWJ | 950 | 6 | DETROIT, MI | N | t | t WWNN | 1470 | 6 | POMPANO BEACH, FL | N | f | f WYLL | 1160 | 6 | CHICAGO, IL | N | t | f KATZ | 1600 | 8 | ST. LOUIS, MO | N | t | t KBME | 790 | 8 | HOUSTON, TX | N | f | f WBGG | 970 | 8 | PITTSBURGH, PA | N | f | t WCNN | 680 | 8 | NORTH ATLANTA, GA | N | t | t WFDF | 910 | 8 | FARMINGTON HILLS, MI | D | f | f WFDF | 910 | 8 | FARMINGTON HILLS, MI | N | f | f WROA | 1390 | 8 | GULFPORT, MS | D | f | f WROA | 1390 | 8 | GULFPORT, MS | N | f | f WRTO | 1200 | 8 | CHICAGO, IL | N | f | t KFAN | 1130 | 9 | MINNEAPOLIS, MN | N | t | t KNTH | 1070 | 9 | HOUSTON, TX | N | f | f WDFN | 1130 | 9 | DETROIT, MI | N | t | t WISN | 1130 | 9 | MILWAUKEE, WI | N | t | t WLQV | 1500 | 9 | DETROIT, MI | D | t | t WLQV | 1500 | 9 | DETROIT, MI | N | t | t WNTJ | 850 | 9 | JOHNSTOWN, PA | U | f | t WXYT | 1270 | 9 | DETROIT, MI | D | f | f WXYT | 1270 | 9 | DETROIT, MI | N | f | f WCHB | 1200 | 10 | TAYLOR, MI | N | t | t KNTH | 1070 | 11 | HOUSTON, TX | D | f | f KFXR | 1190 | 12 | DALLAS, TX | N | t | t (148 rows) This was compiled from FCC data in response to one of the big engineering firms filing a comment with the FCC (I think related to the big nighttime IBOC proceeding about how many stations had really large arrays that might make it difficult to pass IBOC at night) and we were interested in how many we had actually seen. Construction permits and applications are not included. Of course, the only one around here is 990 Providence. -GAWollman From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Aug 12 13:01:17 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:01:17 -0700 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off Message-ID: <46BF3CDD.1030309@comcast.net> In 1951, I read a small announcement in the Globe that a new FM station would begin broadcasting on the dial. I immediately volunteered at WGBH when they first started with studios in Symphony Hall. The sign on/off was almost just as long and boring then as the TV version described (and thanks for the YouTube link with it). They would itemize each member of the (breath) "Lowell Institute Cooperative Broadcasting Council - whose members include..." (then the naming of each university and institution in the Council membership) It was organized by six colleges and universities in Boston with the Lowell Institute (Ralph Lowell) to provide initial funding to get the first, non-commercial FM radio station on the air in Boston. I remember Alden Stevens announcing the sign on/off with Bill Busick at the board in the one large studio om the second floor of Symphony Hall. There was also one announce booth that Bill Caveness used exclusively for his daily, "Reading Aloud" program, he reading a book from cover to cover (before audio books were on the market) The sign on/off continued with technical details about the frequency, power, the FCC and the transmitter which then was, as Alden read "...atop THE Great Blue Hill" ( I had to go to visit, not knowing about it as a native Bostonian living in Jamaica Plain then). However, he was corrected by WGBH's GM Hartford Gunn in a memo that :it was not 'the' Great Blue Hill, Alden!" Ending with a pleasant "Good night" at about 10 p.m. having signed on at 5 p.m. for the evening's programming/ Ah, the memories linger on! Does anyone perhaps have an aircheck of the early WGBH audio in the very early 1950's? I have some other 'gbh air stuff to trade. Thanks (please contact me off line at songbook2@comcast.net) =Russ Butler From iraapple@comcast.net Sun Aug 12 13:19:23 2007 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:19:23 -0500 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off In-Reply-To: <46BF3CDD.1030309@comcast.net> References: <46BF3CDD.1030309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <03c301c7dd04$ed979350$af04fb45@IraApple> I don't know what the official sign-off must say today, but the first time I ever spoke over the radio was when one of the announcers at the station where I was "hanging around" gave me the sign-off copy and said, "Go ahead kid, you read it tonight." It was simple. I still remember it: Ladies and Gentlemen, at this time WKIN, Kittanning Pennsylvania concludes another day of broadcasting. WKIN operates on an assigned frequency of 1600 kilocycles with a power of 1000 watts as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission. Until we resume broadcasting at six o'clock tomorrow morning, we wish you a very pleasant good evening. Ladies and Gentlemen, our National Anthem. (Music) The rest (for me) is history. Ira Apple -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Russ Butler Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:01 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Russ Butler Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off In 1951, I read a small announcement in the Globe that a new FM station would begin broadcasting on the dial. I immediately volunteered at WGBH when they first started with studios in Symphony Hall. The sign on/off was almost just as long and boring then as the TV version described (and thanks for the YouTube link with it). They would itemize each member of the (breath) "Lowell Institute Cooperative Broadcasting Council - whose members include..." (then the naming of each university and institution in the Council membership) It was organized by six colleges and universities in Boston with the Lowell Institute (Ralph Lowell) to provide initial funding to get the first, non-commercial FM radio station on the air in Boston. I remember Alden Stevens announcing the sign on/off with Bill Busick at the board in the one large studio om the second floor of Symphony Hall. There was also one announce booth that Bill Caveness used exclusively for his daily, "Reading Aloud" program, he reading a book from cover to cover (before audio books were on the market) The sign on/off continued with technical details about the frequency, power, the FCC and the transmitter which then was, as Alden read "...atop THE Great Blue Hill" ( I had to go to visit, not knowing about it as a native Bostonian living in Jamaica Plain then). However, he was corrected by WGBH's GM Hartford Gunn in a memo that :it was not 'the' Great Blue Hill, Alden!" Ending with a pleasant "Good night" at about 10 p.m. having signed on at 5 p.m. for the evening's programming/ Ah, the memories linger on! Does anyone perhaps have an aircheck of the early WGBH audio in the very early 1950's? I have some other 'gbh air stuff to trade. Thanks (please contact me off line at songbook2@comcast.net) =Russ Butler From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Aug 13 12:19:46 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:19:46 -0300 Subject: Fw: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage Message-ID: <000f01c7ddc5$c4a39860$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Brian... If you are interested, i have some "outtakes" of the EOD WBMT ID on 1/4" Reel to Reel, that came with a bunch of stuff from when they moved the station. Tou would have to "screen" the box but they are in there... Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Brian Vita" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > WBMT in 88.3 in Boxford does a really formal signoff last I heard. Kind of > like the old days of tv where you waited for the Star Spangled Banner, the > Indian and the tone. > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "boston Radio Interest Board" > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:43 PM > Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > > > > Can someone point me to the exact verbiage required for a daily sign > > on/sign-off of a broadcast station. > > > > Brian Vita > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 12 13:40:39 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:40:39 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com><004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Francini To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage > My favorite was WGBH-TV 2's sign-on/sign-off, which was actually > fairly long, with a full explanation of what the WGBH Educational > Foundation did, which channels it broadcast on, and some really cool > harpsichord music. I've been after that particular piece of music > for years. > > Actually, just checked YouTube and found one version of it there: > > > > Still would like the music, though... William Pierce's voice was just perfect for that signon/signoff. It was eventually replaced -- after his death -- and the announcement was never the same. Howard From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Aug 12 14:53:55 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:53:55 -0400 Subject: Original WGBH logo Message-ID: <01c101c7dd12$22b18e80$6501a8c0@pastor2> While we're on the subject of the original WGBH-TV signon/off, here's a long-standing question of mine: Does anyone remember the original WGBH logo? If my memory is correct, it consisted of an X topped with horizontal lines at the top and bottom, and two small O's, one at each side. At first glance it kinda-sorta seemed like a stylized version of an owl. I never knew what, if anything, it meant, though it looked like a Native American or Inuit symbol of some kind. -Doug From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 14:28:41 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> best sign off ever from the CBC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzSNeiSCtSs and I always loved the anthem animation used by the CBC in the late 80's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jk97DyLcRU From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 14:47:32 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:47:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Share-time stations Message-ID: <22177196.1186944452080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Garrett Wollman > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > To: "Dan Strassberg" > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:43:25 -0400 > Subject: Share-time stations > > < said: > > > As I understand it, WAVM in Maynard and U Mass Boston > >(WUMB et al) were just granted CPs to build time-shared > >stations on 91.7 in Maynard and (I thnk) Stow > >respectively. > > As reported recently in NERW, the two stations will share > transmitter facilities, with WUMB's station operating > whenever the students at WAVM are not. > > -GAWollman I saw the report on NERW, but unless something has very recently changed, I had understood that WUMB had dropped their Stow application, and the deal they had made with WAVM was to assist in the construction of their new 500 watt facility, licensed to Maynard, with the agreement that it would simulcast WUMB whenever Maynard High School students were not broadcasting. This would all be on one station, licensed as WAVM Maynard, but simulcasting WUMB a large amount of the time without a separate application for WUMB in Stow. In fact, the student air schedule at WAVM has been only six hours per day on school days only. If that remains as it has been, the station would be a WUMB simulcast for 18 hours each weekday, and 24 hours per day each weekend and during all school vacations and breaks, including most of the summer season. Unless something has changed and it became necessary for WUMB to apply for a CP for a separate license in order to do the time-share/simulcast deal on, or with, WAVM, but I thought it would be something where when students finished their broadcasting for the day, they would throw a switch assigning WUMB's programming to their signal for the night or until the next student program block came on the air, or something to that effect. EP From me@billoneill.us Sun Aug 12 15:23:42 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:23:42 -0400 Subject: WCAP Message-ID: <46BF5E3E.2080700@billoneill.us> Here's my reply to a local Lowell blog in response to the pending change at WCAP (980 Lowell) ( http://www.leftinlowell.com/2007/08/11/the-wcap-sale-local-radio-stays-local/ ) -- I echo the sentiments of my old pal, Dave Faneuf. I have been fortunate to keep in contact with Maurice Cohen over the years since my leaving the area in 2000 and consider him a friend. I logged in many years behind the microphone at WCAP. I will forever consider WCAP the station that I called home. As Joe Corcoran, former program director, once put it as I was considering a return to the station in 1988, ?WCAP is like a comfortable old shoe? that you can return to. I did, and shortly after, WCAP flipped to Talkradio 980. I can tell you that in my many years with The Bill O?Neill Show not once did the late Ike Cohen, Maurice, Station Manager Pauline Yates or Joe Corcoran even take me aside or enter the studio to shift me off of a topic or to challenge my right to express my opinion. Having also worked at other stations that were corporately based, I assure you that it was not the case elsewhere. I was the program director at WJUL at ULowell when I also transitioned over to WCAP. I will forever look back on these two Lowell gems as being integral parts of my vocational and social development for 20 years of my young adult life. And for that, I shall be forever grateful. I know that Maurice and I will stay in touch because as much as WCAP Radio was a part of Maurice?s life, the people in it who remained loyal throughout the years earned his loyalty right back. I am grateful to Gary Frascarelli for making WCAP?s 50th Birthday Party of the Air a reality. My opportunity to return to host that event will be one that I will forever cherish. And as times change and another chapter closes, those moments at WCAP will only increase in value to me. The future of Lowell radio is bright so long as the commitment to live and local remains, and respectfully, remains separate from other major news voices in the market. Bill O?Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 16:30:19 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:30:19 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <004301c7dce8$8f678cc0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708121330y52cb8f95t14e92ad8fa35c518@mail.gmail.com> The WGBH music was done by a friend of David Ives, David Pinkham and was titled 'Rondo A Go Go' From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 12 20:49:39 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:49:39 -0400 Subject: Lowell Sun Chairman Of The Board's Column Mentions WCAP Sale In-Reply-To: <002401c7dc5d$2467f350$f1a4764c@Mark> References: <002401c7dc5d$2467f350$f1a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: At 5:18 PM -0400 8/11/07, Mark Watson wrote: > Kendall Wallace, Chairman of the Board of the Lowell Sun, has a >weekly "Saturday Chat" column, where he gives his opinion on local, >national or world stories and events. In the first portion of >today's column, he mentions that the sale of WCAP could be >officially announced as early as Monday. He also wished the best to >Maurice Cohen in his retirement years and to the new owners as they >seek to build on the Cohen legacy. A link to the column : > >http://www.lowellsun.com/wallace/ci_6600880 The article states: >The sale will keep the station local as the principal buyers are a >Lowell/Chelmsford businessman and an Andover-based radio business >manager. > Could the Lowell/Chelmsford businessman be someone who is in the ice cream business? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Aug 12 21:13:10 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:13:10 -0700 Subject: Carrier Current? Message-ID: <46BFB026.5020806@comcast.net> There were recent threads posted of carrier current AM's that the schools set up to broadcast on campus to dorms and lunchrooms, etc. I'm curious if any AM-CC's still broadcast today since there is now technology to stream onlne to reach a wider audience, and if so, what happened to the CC transmitter-equipment from the schools? Harvard used to have their WHRB-AM (Harvard Radio Broadcasting) CC studios just off Harvard Square in a basement (or lower level) area. The studios were painted a gruesome color green, but there were announce studios, boom and table mics, clocks, slanted glass windows, soundproofing just like a "real" radio station. I used to (as a WGBH-FM volunteer in 1951-52) go from Symphony Hall to Harvard Square to engineer for the "Louis M. Lyon and The News" that was broadcast from the WHRB studios. It was a simple matter of just turning on the board and pushing the "''GBH" switch with a pot volume, no music intro, the studio announcer introduced him, then waiting for Mr. Lyons to arrive in haste. Louis ("Lewie Lions") would storm in at the very last 30-seconds before broadcast, trailing the AP newsprint behind him, he'd sit at a table with the boom mic, off goes his fedora hat (reminded me of Jimmy Fiddler or better yet, Walter Winchell) and the red onair light started him speaking while settling in his chair and rustling the paper..."Well, here's the news!" And it ended as abruptly as it began, his last que was "...and, that's the news!" Then he immediately would rise from the chair and out the studio door, not caring (I'd guess) it the mic was off or not. I picked up the AP newsprint, straightened up the studio, turned off the lights and left. I also remember the Emerson College "wired radio" studio (I think the call letters were WECB) that sent programming from a rather nice studio set up upstairs on wires to the lunchroom downstairs. It wasn't carrier current to the dorms, just a big amplified signal to loud speakers. Fort Devens (MA) Army Hospital had a similar "radio station" set up above the recreation hall that sent wired programming to patients' bedside and amplified in some common areas as well. The patient had a switch box for selecting local stations or the hospital station. If it was baseball, the Red Sox were on WHDH, the news was on WBZ, local Fitchburg was WEIM, etc. - but in the evening, their music requests were played on the hospital station which I ran for about a year during my Army enlistment. It seemed that everyone listened to the hospital radio channel. There was a full library of AFRS ET's - lots of good stuff, new hit releases too that the patients wanted to hear in 1955. And, the studio was located next to the nurses' dorm! Anybody else have similar experiences with CD or wired radio? Offline please: songbook2@comcast.net =Russ From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Aug 12 22:07:18 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage Message-ID: <20070813020718.8E073484FF@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> John Francini reminisced: > My favorite was WGBH-TV 2's sign-on/sign-off, which was actually > fairly long, with a full explanation of what the WGBH Educational > Foundation did, which channels it broadcast on, and some really cool > harpsichord music. I've been after that particular piece of music > for years. > > Actually, just checked YouTube and found one version of it there: > > > > Still would like the music, though... Oh, that harpsichord music! Yeah, whenever that came on I'd watch to the end. Before (or was it after?) the speckle fading video, they used a a video feedback recording. It was years before I had a chance to play with a camera aimed at a monitor myself. Channel 7 (WNAC, I guess) had a female vocal of The Star Spangled Banner sung the way it should be sung (or perhaps a tad too much). She managed to exude love for the song and country. Much better than the standard military fare. Random By The Way: I found this list when Todd Gross got removed from the air, and returned as a subscriber when WCRB was in the process of being sold. I hung around because there are some interesting folk here. I was "in between" jobs at the time and recently got a job offer and figured I'd better take it. I'll hang around a while longer, but will probably unsubscribe in a while just to have one fewer distractions. However, I'll be back when the next interesting crisis/opportunity happens. -Ric Werme Oh - Todd seems pretty content in Salt Lake City, see http://community.abc4.com/blogs/todd_grosss_blog/default.aspx He still does some forecasting work for Massachusetts from SLC. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Aug 12 22:38:20 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:38:20 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <20070813020718.8E073484FF@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070813020718.8E073484FF@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <46BFC41C.5070703@ttlc.net> > Oh - Todd seems pretty content in Salt Lake City, see > http://community.abc4.com/blogs/todd_grosss_blog/default.aspx > He still does some forecasting work for Massachusetts from SLC. I believe he also does a Tribe Hummus ad that's running on WBZ. Forecast is "Hazy, Hot & Hummus..." From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 22:47:36 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:47:36 -0400 Subject: Lowell Sun Chairman Of The Board's Column Mentions WCAP Sale In-Reply-To: References: <002401c7dc5d$2467f350$f1a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770708121947p4ec64e18n20b93f6f6d1b2db6@mail.gmail.com> I know for a fact that the Costello family that owned the Sun for decades made it known that anybody who advertised on WXPO-TV ( the doomed Channel 50 of 1969) would not be allowed to advertise in the Sun. On 8/12/07, Larry Weil wrote: > At 5:18 PM -0400 8/11/07, Mark Watson wrote: > > > Kendall Wallace, Chairman of the Board of the Lowell Sun, has a > >weekly "Saturday Chat" column, where he gives his opinion on local, > >national or world stories and events. In the first portion of > >today's column, he mentions that the sale of WCAP could be > >officially announced as early as Monday. He also wished the best to > >Maurice Cohen in his retirement years and to the new owners as they > >seek to build on the Cohen legacy. A link to the column : > > > >http://www.lowellsun.com/wallace/ci_6600880 > > The article states: > > >The sale will keep the station local as the principal buyers are a > >Lowell/Chelmsford businessman and an Andover-based radio business > >manager. > > > > Could the Lowell/Chelmsford businessman be someone who is in the ice > cream business? > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 23:04:44 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:04:44 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <46BFC41C.5070703@ttlc.net> References: <20070813020718.8E073484FF@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <46BFC41C.5070703@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708122004r33379316jd116590605d27e1a@mail.gmail.com> I would guess that You Tube signoff is around 1986 as you can see Ikegami cameras in Studio A that replaced the Marconi's. That happened in the mid 80's From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 00:25:25 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:25:25 -0500 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off In-Reply-To: <46BF3CDD.1030309@comcast.net> References: <46BF3CDD.1030309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46BF96E5.12462.55984A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2007 at 10:01, Russ Butler wrote: > Ending with a pleasant "Good night" at about 10 p.m. having signed on > at 5 p.m. for the evening's programming/ Ah, the memories linger on! Ah yes. When I first got an FM radio in December 1958, many stations signed on around 5 PM. WBUR and WERS signed on at 2 PM during the school year, 5 PM in the summer. WEEI-FM did a simulcast of the AM, but they didn't sign on until 2 PM, with a very impressive sign on announcement. WBZ-FM signed on at 5 PM and did classical music until midnight. Later they began simulcasting the AM from 6:00 am until the 5:00 PM start of separate programs. WXHR signed on at 4:30 PM. Other AM simulcasts signed on early in the morning, even though the AM stations were on 24 hours. One time, around 1959 or 1960, I was up around 2 AM to watch an eclipse of the moon and turned on the radio. There were only two stations operating in the entire FM band: WHDH-FM and WCOP-FM, both simulcasting the AM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 00:25:26 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:25:26 -0500 Subject: Carrier Current? In-Reply-To: <46BFB026.5020806@comcast.net> References: <46BFB026.5020806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46BF96E6.24546.559EB3@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2007 at 18:13, Russ Butler wrote: > There were recent threads posted of carrier current AM's that the > schools set up to broadcast on campus to dorms and lunchrooms, etc. > I'm curious if any AM-CC's still broadcast today since there is now > technology to stream onlne to reach a wider audience, and if so, what > happened to the CC transmitter-equipment from the schools? I remember WMUA still using carrier-current in various dorms circa 1963-64. In fact, I even remember an experimental stereo broadcast, using the carrier-current signal for one channel and the FM signal for the other. I don't know when the carrier-current signal was discontinued, but when new dorms were built after about 1964, they weren't equipped with a carrier-current signal. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 00:25:28 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:25:28 -0500 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com>, <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer>, <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BF96E8.28269.55A54B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2007 at 14:28, Kevin Vahey wrote: > best sign off ever > > from the CBC I remember the CBA sign-off in the early 1960s. At that time they were transmitting from Sackville, New Brunswick and IDed as "CBA Maritimes." The sign-off, after a lengthy weather report from "The Dominion Public Weather Office" (now probably called "Weather Canada"), was followed by the playing of "Oh, Canada," followed by "God Save the Queen." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Aug 12 23:29:46 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:29:46 -0400 Subject: Original WGBH logo In-Reply-To: <01c101c7dd12$22b18e80$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <01c101c7dd12$22b18e80$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <46BFD02A.2050501@gabrielmass.com> Thanks for mentioning the owl logo: I remember it from the '60s. Back then WGBH and Durham's relatively new WENH-TV 11 were part of something called EEN, the Eastern Educational Network; it distributed kids' shows such as "What's New" and "MisteRogers' Neighborhood" (the original name of the program). --RC Doug Drown wrote: > While we're on the subject of the original WGBH-TV signon/off, here's a > long-standing question of mine: Does anyone remember the original WGBH logo? > If my memory is correct, it consisted of an X topped with horizontal lines > at the top and bottom, and two small O's, one at each side. At first glance > it kinda-sorta seemed like a stylized version of an owl. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 12 23:50:07 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:50:07 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: <46BF96E8.28269.55A54B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com> <005301c7dd07$e6954400$3f824c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770708121128m3ebdb229sa6ac92f54ab080b7@mail.gmail.com> <46BF96E8.28269.55A54B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 11:25 PM -0500 8/12/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > The sign-off, after a lengthy weather report from "The >Dominion Public Weather Office" (now probably called "Weather >Canada") Actually now called "Environment Canada". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From HeritageRadio@msn.com Mon Aug 13 00:59:02 2007 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:59:02 -0500 Subject: Fw: WBZ-TV Early Signoff Message-ID: ----- A Portion of the early WBZ-TV signoff which began in 1948: The programs broadcast by this station, may not be used for any purpose, except exhibition at the time of their broadcast, on receivers of the type ordinarily used for home reception in places when no admission, cover or mechanical operating charges are made. WBZ-TV is owned and operated by Westinghouse Broadcasting Company and operates on Channel 4 by authority of the Federal Communications Commission. Now this is _______________wishing you a good night and good morning. (The National Anthem with aircraft shown zooming by) Tom Heathwood - Heritage Radio - Chestnut Hill, HeritageRadio@msn.com 8/13/07 ==================================================================================== From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 13 06:43:38 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:43:38 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c7dd96$cfc64960$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Environment Canada is that nations official Weather Service (analogous to our NOAA) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:50 PM To: A. Joseph Ross; Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage At 11:25 PM -0500 8/12/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > The sign-off, after a lengthy weather report from "The >Dominion Public Weather Office" (now probably called "Weather >Canada") Actually now called "Environment Canada". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 13 06:44:14 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:44:14 -0400 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c7dd96$e4862d20$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> DUH, I repeated what was already answered...by bad... -Paul -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:50 PM To: A. Joseph Ross; Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage At 11:25 PM -0500 8/12/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > The sign-off, after a lengthy weather report from "The >Dominion Public Weather Office" (now probably called "Weather >Canada") Actually now called "Environment Canada". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 07:29:02 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:29:02 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out Message-ID: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> Front page of the Herald screams 'TAKE A WALK' has ordered D&C off the air because of contract issues. The leak that Howie is making 800K can not be helping. Is WBCN the other bidder? Entercom seems to be crashing in a way not seen since WITS. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 09:20:02 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:20:02 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> Herald article now online and has a new Howie nugget..they wanted to cut his pay Entercom also owns WRKO (680 AM), which will lose afternoon-drive talk king Howie Carr on Sept. 19. Carr, also a Herald columnist, quit because Entercom wanted to cut his pay by more than $50,000, a station source said. http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1016896 This Red Sox contract (16 M a year )is sucking Entercom dry. So far we have seen the News-Talk station fire the news department, the insanity of spliting the games between 2 stations, the loss of Howie and now this. A friend at WGR-Buffalo told me Jason has made budget cuts there because of Boston's expenses. If indeed CBS wants to make WBCN into sportstalk (WFAN-FM?) they could blow WEEI out of the water by hiring D&C and then going after Ordway. On 8/13/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > Good going Wolfie! Let me get this straight - Howie > wants to go and they keep him on. D&C might be open to > staying and they pull them (or at least Dino at this > point) off. They're just lucky that 1510 and 890 > aren't really competitive. More bad timing as the > Jimmy Fund radiothon is this Thursday & Friday. I > don't think it will have an effect on fundrasing but > it does cause a bad image for the station. > > --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > Front page of the Herald screams 'TAKE A WALK' has > > ordered D&C off the > > air because of contract issues. The leak that Howie > > is making 800K can > > not be helping. Is WBCN the other bidder? Entercom > > seems to be > > crashing in a way not seen since WITS. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 09:38:18 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> A WEEI staffer told me that some advertisers have figured out that it is cheaper to buy time on Mike Adams at night ( which has live cut ins of the game ) than pay what WRKO is demanding. I know people are tuning in Adams for game updates because they can't stand Geffner. He also told me that both parties have an opt out clause after both year 1 and year 3 of the contract. It is pretty obvious Entercom overpaid to kep the Red Sox and it is right now killing 2 stations. On 8/13/07, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > If indeed CBS wants to make WBCN into sportstalk (WFAN-FM?) they could > > blow WEEI out of the water by hiring D&C and then going after Ordway. > > > > > Does anyone have the shark-in-the-water sound effect from the film, > Jaws? It does, indeed, seem like an opportune time for CBS to make its > move. OTOH, the piling-on can't last forever. ;-) > > Bill O'Neill > From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 13 09:25:59 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:25:59 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> Kevin Vahey wrote: > If indeed CBS wants to make WBCN into sportstalk (WFAN-FM?) they could > blow WEEI out of the water by hiring D&C and then going after Ordway. > Does anyone have the shark-in-the-water sound effect from the film, Jaws? It does, indeed, seem like an opportune time for CBS to make its move. OTOH, the piling-on can't last forever. ;-) Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 09:21:27 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:21:27 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708130621l1757f701h443ab6ad2e1fc138@mail.gmail.com> The article alleges Howie is walking because they want to cut his pay by $50k. While some feel these guys may be overpaid, you have to wonder what will happen to WRKO if Howie goes to WTKK (which is likely once the legal stuff is straightened out) and Dennis and Callahan bolt elsewhere. Overpaid? Maybe. Valuable? Yes... both shows do pretty well in the ratings. How does WRKO do with somebody else in pm drive? Or WEEI in mornings? From kenwvt@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 11:20:24 2007 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:20:24 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> I was under the impression that Entercom HAD to put the Sox on RKO in order to get the deal. Something to do with Lucchino being unhappy with all the Sox bashing talk on EEI ? -Ken From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 13:44:30 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:44:30 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com> Lucchino lost that leverage when WBOS pulled out at the last minute. Reason given was slightly better signal at night on 680. Entercom then added 830 which closed most of the Metro-West signal issues. Why 104.9 was added to the network I never understood as both EEI and RKO have no signal problems on Cape Ann. If 104.1 went sports they would have the Patriots and CBS would probably move the Bruins over from WBZ. Getting D&C would be huge and then go after Ordway. Setting up a New England network would be pretty easy as they could team up with JJ in Maine and Citadel in Rhode Island. Entercom looked smart when they added the FM's in RI and Springfield....but Guest St is burning and they seem clueless right now. On 8/13/07, Ken VanTassell wrote: > I was under the impression that Entercom HAD to put the Sox on RKO in > order to get the deal. Something to do with Lucchino being unhappy > with all the Sox bashing talk on EEI ? > > -Ken > From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 13 14:27:28 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:27:28 -0400 Subject: WCAP The Next Generation Message-ID: <46C0A290.10505@billoneill.us> Well, now that the official announcement has cleared, we loyal WCAP Radio alums, Great 98 Soft-ballers (at one point TWO strings, no waiting), and listeners can breath a sigh of relief. Viewpoints may vary, but I am quite comfortable with the knowledge that the old "AM Ninety Eight" is going into the hands of Clark Smidt (majority holder). My greatest relief comes from the knowledge that it was Maurice Cohen's signature on the deal, and that he did this solely at the pace of his choosing. Many a call I would make to Maurice with the conversation going something like this, "So, Bill, what are you hearing today (laughter)." The rumors of the stations demise were, indeed, greatly exaggerated many a time. But, time has caught up with itself. The late Ike Cohen often said that his wish was a solid local programming and local news commitment. And, I suppose, it would not be a stretch to suggest that the brothers wanted to keep the station within the English language spectrum as well as out of the control of other local media with whom they honorably challenged one another in the Merrimack Valley marketplace over the years. A former colleague, who departed ten years ago, recently said, "When I left ten years ago the station was all but 'sold'. When I visited last month, it was all but sold. You gotta love it." Bill O'Neill From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 15:38:59 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: Sign On/Sign Off Verbiage In-Reply-To: References: <46BE65D0.60705@cssinc.com>, <46BF96E8.28269.55A54B@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <46C06D03.18665.2F61D2@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2007 Larry Weil wrote: > > The sign-off, after a lengthy weather report from "The > >Dominion Public Weather Office" (now probably called "Weather > >Canada") > > Actually now called "Environment Canada". Ah, yes. I think I actually knew that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 13 14:45:16 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:45:16 -0400 Subject: WCAP The Next Generation References: <46C0A290.10505@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002c01c7ddda$3e2a0a20$a4a84c0c@SatU205S5044> The other investor is reported to be real-estate broker and former school teacher Sam Poulten, who ran a Saturday evening program (brokered time?) many years ago on what was then probably WDLW. The program, which was called Your Mother Should Know, featured very, very old records (20s, 30s) and some whacky contests for listeners. In fact, at least part of the time when YMSN was on, the calls were WHET. I remember because YMSN was on when the old three-tower array was being replaced by the current (and about to become previous) two-tower array. That was 1977, IIRC, and what is now WRCA was definitely WHET at that time. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "BRI" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: WCAP The Next Generation > Well, now that the official announcement has cleared, we loyal WCAP > Radio alums, Great 98 Soft-ballers (at one point TWO strings, no > waiting), and listeners can breath a sigh of relief. Viewpoints may > vary, but I am quite comfortable with the knowledge that the old "AM > Ninety Eight" is going into the hands of Clark Smidt (majority > holder). > My greatest relief comes from the knowledge that it was Maurice > Cohen's signature on the deal, and that he did this solely at the > pace of his choosing. Many a call I would make to Maurice with the > conversation going something like this, "So, Bill, what are you > hearing today (laughter)." The rumors of the stations demise were, > indeed, greatly exaggerated many a time. But, time has caught up > with itself. > > The late Ike Cohen often said that his wish was a solid local > programming and local news commitment. And, I suppose, it would not > be a stretch to suggest that the brothers wanted to keep the station > within the English language spectrum as well as out of the control > of other local media with whom they honorably challenged one another > in the Merrimack Valley marketplace over the years. > > A former colleague, who departed ten years ago, recently said, "When > I left ten years ago the station was all but 'sold'. When I visited > last month, it was all but sold. You gotta love it." > Bill O'Neill From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon Aug 13 13:32:16 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:16 -0400 Subject: Carrier Current Message-ID: <46C095A0.3050200@friedbagels.com> It's been a few years since I've I've looked into, but during my college years (1994-98) the carrier current scene was alive in Boston. Not exactly "well", but definitely alive. There were carrier-current stations at: Boston University (WTBU) Emerson College (WECB) Newbury College (WNBY) Bentley College (WBTY) Regis College (WRGS) Emmanuel College ** Wentworth Institute of Technology (WWIT) ** Babson College (WBCR) ** Boston College (WVBC) ** And I'm pretty sure there were/are some others as well. Most of these stations had CC equipment that was in sad shape even then; I was Tech Director for WTBU for three years and learned that nearly half of their CC-AM transmitters had been destroyed in basement flooding or just flat-out stolen over the years. The remaining ones were generally not very good, although they usually functioned. I think WTBU finally killed off the CC-AM's because the Program Audio Service lines they were leasing from Verizon were ridiculously expensive for what they were getting. I don't know if the leaky-cable FM (Andrew NF-2D, usually) transmitters in Warren Towers and West Campus are still operational. But like most other college stations, they've almost entirely migrated to their webcast (and in WTBU's case, audio over a campus cable TV channel) as the primary means of reaching their audience. Few students come to college with an AM/FM radio anymore, anyways. As for the ** above, these are stations that either used to have CC-AM, or I suspect used to have CC-AM, but don't anymore. I know WVBC did long ago, but today they're webcast and Cable Channel 47 only. Babson and Wentworth both had pirate 10 watt FM stations briefly, and I think both briefly had CC-AM's but ultimately I think Babson's station disappeared entirely (despite their status as, allegedly, the first webcast-only radio station...I claim I would dispute)...Wentworth's might still be around, though. Bentley might've killed off their AM's after they installed leaky-cable FM about 5 or 6 years ago. WECB had both leaky-cable FM and CC-AM at one point, but they've been heavily absorbed into WERS ever since both moved into the new Ansin studios, so I don't know if they're webcast only or what. As for Emmanuel, they have a radio club that supposedly is on a campus cable TV channel, and I suspect that long ago they had a CC-AM but today I have no idea. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Aug 13 15:21:10 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:21:10 -0400 Subject: WCAP The Next Generation In-Reply-To: <002c01c7ddda$3e2a0a20$a4a84c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <46C0A290.10505@billoneill.us> <002c01c7ddda$3e2a0a20$a4a84c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 2:45 PM -0400 8/13/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The other investor is reported to be real-estate broker and former >school teacher Sam Poulten, who ran a Saturday evening program >(brokered time?) many years ago on what was then probably WDLW. I think the station was WNTN, and the program was on in the late morning to early afternoon. This was in the early to mid 80's I believe. I also remember reading about an incident where Mr. Poulten was working as a schoolteacher, and got in trouble over some incident involving a thumbtack left on his chair by a student. I don't remember any more of the details. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:01:25 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:01:25 -0400 Subject: Fw: WCAP The Next Generation Message-ID: <003101c7de0e$a405a410$f1a4764c@Mark> Bill O'Neill wrote: > The late Ike Cohen often said that his wish was a solid local > programming and local news commitment. And, I suppose, it would not be a > stretch to suggest that the brothers wanted to keep the station within the > English language spectrum as well as out of the control of other local > media with whom they honorably challenged one another in the Merrimack > Valley marketplace over the years. And that was obviously a major factor in why Maurice turned down many offers to sell in the past. I was able to listen to Maurice make the official announcement live on WCAP at 8:10 this morning. It was a very emotional moment for him as he read the official FCC filing notice, which was filed this past Friday. He choked up a few times during the reading, but got through it and before introducing Clark Smidt to take the mic, he revealed that there was another group who had made an offer to buy, in fact willing to pay more than the 2.6 million dollars Clark & his group had come to the table with. Maurice turned down the other group's offer, because they had made it clear that they intended to go ethnic/foreign language programming 24/7. Maurice was assured by Clark that he would keep WCAP in the English language spectrum and would work to enhance and build upon the legacy that Maurice along with his late brothers Ike & Ted started on June 10th, 1951. Maurice Cohen is to be congratulated for selling WCAP to people who share his vision and commitment to local radio. He could have sold to the other group who threw more dollars down, but he obviously believes it's not "about the money". Even as Maurice prepares to turn WCAP over to the "next generation" this shows his commitment to and his caring about the community he has served for over 56 years. Maurice also made it a point to thank the many on-air people too numerous to mention who have been on WCAP's airwaves over the years under his watch, he said he & his brothers put all the technical stuff together, but it was the men & women behind the microphones who helped to make WCAP what it was and is today. And Clark Smidt also is to be congratulated not only for assuring the community that WCAP will continue to be locally owned and focused, but for inviting Maurice to remain on board as an trusted advisor for guidance and support after the sale is approved. That is a classy move on Clark's part. I sincerely hope that the next generation of WCAP will be successful under the new owners and I wish them all the best as they have a great opportunity to serve the Greater Lowell and Merrimack Valley with quality local programming, which is sorely lacking up and down this area's radio dial. And I also wish all the best to Maurice Cohen and thank him, along with his late brothers Ike and Ted for 56 years of outstanding service and commitment to the Lowell area. It is a privilege and honor to know and have been able to help Maurice out in the past few years, and I wish him nothing but the best!! Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Aug 13 21:26:47 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:26:47 -0400 Subject: WCAP The Next Generation In-Reply-To: <003101c7de0e$a405a410$f1a4764c@Mark> References: <003101c7de0e$a405a410$f1a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: What is the current programming on WCAP? From markwats@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:53:13 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:53:13 -0400 Subject: WCAP The Next Generation References: <003101c7de0e$a405a410$f1a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <003601c7de15$e0bd4b90$f1a4764c@Mark> Dan Billings asked: > What is the current programming on WCAP? Currently, WCAP has live local talk shows 6-9AM & 3-6PM wekdays, 6-10AM and 12Noon-2PM Saturdays. Weekdays syndicated shows fill the hours around the local talk, and after the first hour of Michael Savage at 6PM, locally produced "Music & Memories" (standards/AC music from the 40's-80's) with Gary Francis 7PM-10PM and Midnight-5AM (5:30 on Sat. & 6 on Sunday AM) and brokered ethnic 10PM-12 Mid 7 nights a week. Sundays a brokered live local real estate show runs from 9-10AM, otherwise syndicated talk fare fills the rest of the day till music time at 7PM. Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 23:59:34 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:59:34 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708132059m4b20bbejdd9908e62aa1ad52@mail.gmail.com> It is getting worse as Dennis was telling people at Fenway if he is locked out of radiothon he will leave WEEI. Now I wonder if WTTK is in the mix? D&C in the AM, keep Howie in PM which could keep the syndication alive or fiipping WBOS to sports. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 14 00:27:53 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:27:53 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708132059m4b20bbejdd9908e62aa1ad52@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708132059m4b20bbejdd9908e62aa1ad52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18113.12105.827600.319602@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It is getting worse as Dennis was telling people at Fenway if he is > locked out of radiothon he will leave WEEI. Now I wonder if WTTK is in > the mix? D&C in the AM, keep Howie in PM which could keep the > syndication alive or fiipping WBOS to sports. Just to keep the air clear, can you please declare your interest in the matter? You seem to have a lot of purported inside information.... -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 00:54:20 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:54:20 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <18113.12105.827600.319602@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com> <491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com> <46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com> <647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708132059m4b20bbejdd9908e62aa1ad52@mail.gmail.com> <18113.12105.827600.319602@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770708132154s610bac17v98de1e9be4c265b6@mail.gmail.com> No direct connection but passing on what was heard in the Fenway media room. This was the lead story in the Herald this AM and the unknown is who the other station is. Entercom can not afford to lose another cash cow as that Red Sox contract is squeezing them dry. On 8/14/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > It is getting worse as Dennis was telling people at Fenway if he is > > locked out of radiothon he will leave WEEI. Now I wonder if WTTK is in > > the mix? D&C in the AM, keep Howie in PM which could keep the > > syndication alive or fiipping WBOS to sports. > > Just to keep the air clear, can you please declare your interest in > the matter? You seem to have a lot of purported inside > information.... > > -GAWollman > > From mike@miscon.net Tue Aug 14 08:09:45 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:09:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Original WGBH logo In-Reply-To: <01c101c7dd12$22b18e80$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <01c101c7dd12$22b18e80$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <.24.60.119.12.1187093385.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> The old WGBH logo (along with other great nuggets) can be found here: http://www.wgbhalumni.org/anecdotes/1956-logo.html Mike > While we're on the subject of the original WGBH-TV signon/off, here's a > long-standing question of mine: Does anyone remember the original WGBH > logo? > If my memory is correct, it consisted of an X topped with horizontal lines > at the top and bottom, and two small O's, one at each side. At first > glance > it kinda-sorta seemed like a stylized version of an owl. I never knew > what, > if anything, it meant, though it looked like a Native American or Inuit > symbol of some kind. > > -Doug > > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 14 08:24:16 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:24:16 -0400 Subject: Carrier Current References: <46C095A0.3050200@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <002801c7de6e$088d5f40$a49b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Read To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Carrier Current > It's been a few years since I've I've looked into, but during my college > years (1994-98) the carrier current scene was alive in Boston. Not > exactly "well", but definitely alive. There were carrier-current > stations at: > > Boston University (WTBU) > Emerson College (WECB) > Newbury College (WNBY) > Bentley College (WBTY) > Regis College (WRGS) > Emmanuel College ** > Wentworth Institute of Technology (WWIT) ** > Babson College (WBCR) ** > Boston College (WVBC) ** > WJPZ (89.1) at Syracuse University, now on FM, started as a carrier-current AM (1200) in 1974. As I recall, the guys who put the operation together chose the call letters for two reasons: so the station could use the "cool" letter "Z" in its imaging (WJPZ was a tight-playlisted Top 40 alternative to free-form WAER, for students who were serious about a career in commercial radio rather than just looking to spin their favorite album tracks and ramble, stoner-style, into the mic between eight-song sets) and, looking forward to "real radio station" status, because they had checked with the FCC and found that the calls were available. My brother attended Ithaca College 10 years later and worked at a similar carrier-current operation, WVIC ("V"oice of "I"thaca "C"ollege), which programmed some sports play-by-play as well as Top 40 rock and pop. At some point, the folks at the "real" WVIC, in Michigan, who'd tacitly accepted the carrier-current WVIC for some years, nudged the college station toward dropping the "W" and it became 106-VIC. The station is now online, but I'm not sure what its legal (or technical) status is these days. Howard From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 14 10:57:19 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:57:19 -0400 Subject: Imus on wAbc? Message-ID: <46C1C2CF.1080905@billoneill.us> Drudge is splashing an exclusive that Don Imus just settled with CBS for $20M with a non-disparaging clause (smart move, CBS), and a likelihood that Don will reenter the NYC market across town at WABC (770 NYC). That puts WABC's morning drive (and syndi-deal) with Imus and PM drive with Hannity. Who will be the Boston affiliate? Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 14 10:50:14 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) Message-ID: <20070814145014.C0D5283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.drudgereport.com Matt Drudge is reporting that Imus has 20 million reasons to be happy, and they all have George Washington's picture on them...thanks to a settlement with CBS...and he also may wind up with a slot on WABC. From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Aug 14 11:18:04 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:18:04 +0000 Subject: Imus on wAbc? Message-ID: <081420071518.28288.46C1C7AC000CD40500006E8022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net> Insane. -- Best, Tony Schinella -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bill O'Neill" > Drudge is splashing an exclusive that Don Imus just settled with CBS for > $20M with a non-disparaging clause (smart move, CBS), and a likelihood > that Don will reenter the NYC market across town at WABC (770 NYC). > > That puts WABC's morning drive (and syndi-deal) with Imus and PM drive > with Hannity. > > Who will be the Boston affiliate? > > Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Aug 14 11:54:15 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:54:15 -0400 Subject: Smooth Jazz on WMJX-HD2 - By whose definition? Message-ID: <000601c7de8b$608a3840$6800a8c0@lysthia> I've been listening to WMJX HD-2 (Smooth Jazz) for the past few days. They paint the format with a wide brush with a lot of AC vocals thrown into the mix. The odd thing is that they're also throwing Big Band era into the mix. Yesteday I heard Benny Goodman. I've also heard Artie Shaw. Right now I'm listening to the Mills Brothers sing "Cab Driver". While these are all fine songs, I wouldn't exactly classify them as NAC. Anyone know who's programming the station? On the technical side, the HD is a noticable improvement of audio quality on both HD-1 (Magic 106.7) and HD-2. Doing an A/B between the analog and digital signals of Magic is amazing. It also appears that GM had the time delay nailed between the analog and digital signals. One of the other Boston (non-GM) signals that I listened to was WAY off in the delay. Now if more of the public starts buying these receivers, this might take off. The sad part is that most of the public is still unaware of what HD Radio is. On the AM side, WBZ's processing chain on the HD side needs some serious tweaking. Although the signal sounds more open, the high end is spitty and nasty. As a side note, this is the first time that I've voluntarily listened to terrestrial radio (other than for local news) in several years. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 14 12:13:43 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:13:43 -0500 Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) Message-ID: <20070814161343.4DFE816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:50:14 -0500 >http://www.drudgereport.com >Matt Drudge is reporting that Imus has 20 million reasons to be >happy, and they all have >George Washington's picture on them...thanks to a settlement with >CBS...and he also >may wind up with a slot on WABC. If it will make you feel better: if he gets that in one single payout and is a resident of the State of New York, half of that will be paid in Federal and State taxes. (If he tries some "resident of New Mexico or Connecticut" dodge, he may still pay close to that.) -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From francini@mac.com Tue Aug 14 14:45:57 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:45:57 -0400 Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) In-Reply-To: <20070814161343.4DFE816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070814161343.4DFE816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Are court awards in civil suits taxable income? j On 14 Aug 2007, at 12:13, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) >> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:50:14 -0500 >> http://www.drudgereport.com > >> Matt Drudge is reporting that Imus has 20 million reasons to be >> happy, and they all have >> George Washington's picture on them...thanks to a settlement with >> CBS...and he also >> may wind up with a slot on WABC. > > If it will make you feel better: if he gets that in one single payout > and is a resident of the State of New York, half of that will be > paid in > Federal and State taxes. (If he tries some "resident of New Mexico > or Connecticut" > dodge, he may still pay close to that.) > > > -- > We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:57:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:57:46 -0400 Subject: famed Yankees annoucer dies Message-ID: <4fc429770708141157k4e1e9980v6a6386c4843c625e@mail.gmail.com> Phil Rizzuto died this morning at the age of 89. He was the voice of the Yankees for 40 years. In 1978 WRKO edited out Phil on a Meatloaf song and replaced him with Dick Stockton. He was also a player and was the oldest living member of the Hall of Fame. From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 14 15:19:09 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:19:09 -0400 Subject: Imus by the Numbers Message-ID: <46C2002D.9060302@billoneill.us> Given the sorry state of radio these days, it is any wonder that Imus, even at 66 years young, would be a hot commodity. I would love to see how WFAN's revenue figures were impacted by the loss of Imus in the Morning. I think the deal Don Imus is able to make will be as much a reflection of his ability to drive billing as it is the dearth of genuine talent opportunities today. You can talk about demographics all day but at the end of the month it comes down to inventory. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 14 15:45:00 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) References: <20070814161343.4DFE816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7deab$a671d3c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Don't you suppose that compensatory and punitive damages are treated differently? My guess is no tax on compensatory damages whereas punitive damages are treated as ordinary income. Since that makes sense, it probably is not how it's done, though. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) > Are court awards in civil suits taxable income? > > j > > > On 14 Aug 2007, at 12:13, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bob Nelson" > >> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > >> Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) > >> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:50:14 -0500 > >> http://www.drudgereport.com > > > >> Matt Drudge is reporting that Imus has 20 million reasons to be > >> happy, and they all have > >> George Washington's picture on them...thanks to a settlement with > >> CBS...and he also > >> may wind up with a slot on WABC. > > > > If it will make you feel better: if he gets that in one single payout > > and is a resident of the State of New York, half of that will be > > paid in > > Federal and State taxes. (If he tries some "resident of New Mexico > > or Connecticut" > > dodge, he may still pay close to that.) > > > > > > -- > > We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! > > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Aug 14 16:09:29 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:09:29 -0400 Subject: Imus on wAbc? In-Reply-To: <081420071518.28288.46C1C7AC000CD40500006E8022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net> References: <081420071518.28288.46C1C7AC000CD40500006E8022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Not necessarily. While the Imus name has been dragged through the mud in the national media, my guess is it still means revenue in New York...and Boston. Imus worked for many years at WTKK. With Howie bolting to 96.9 and the possible loss of the Dennis & Callahan show, Entercom would love to have a proven commodity in morning drive. Imus listeners and sponsors tend to be loyal, and most would return if he were to pop up on WRKO. He'd be a major improvement over the Speakah. Besides, Wolfe and Kahn stood behind D&C during the whole Metco blowup. Those comments were much more racist than what the I-man said last April. Considering the sorry state of WRKO right now, Imus couldn't hurt, even with the baggage he brings with him. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:18 AM, radiotony@comcast.net wrote: > Insane. > > -- > Best, > Tony Schinella > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Bill O'Neill" >> Drudge is splashing an exclusive that Don Imus just settled with CBS >> for >> $20M with a non-disparaging clause (smart move, CBS), and a likelihood >> that Don will reenter the NYC market across town at WABC (770 NYC). >> >> That puts WABC's morning drive (and syndi-deal) with Imus and PM drive >> with Hannity. >> >> Who will be the Boston affiliate? >> >> Bill O'Neill > From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 14 16:19:58 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0400 Subject: Imus on wAbc? In-Reply-To: References: <081420071518.28288.46C1C7AC000CD40500006E8022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46C20E6E.8030508@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > Considering the sorry state of WRKO right now, Imus couldn't hurt, > even with the baggage he brings with him. Yup. That would be a huge save for Entercom, and not a moment too soon. WRKO could focus it's local talk in other dayparts and let AM drive generate much needed cash. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 14 16:48:10 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:48:10 -0400 Subject: Imus on wAbc? In-Reply-To: References: <081420071518.28288.46C1C7AC000CD40500006E8022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46C2150A.2050301@ttlc.net> David Tomm wrote: > Those comments were much more racist than what the I-man said last > April. I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of the Rutgers basketball players interviewed in the last week or so stated that Don Imus' words have left an indelible scar that time can never erase. She will never be the same again. Sounds pretty serious to me. From sid@wrko.com Tue Aug 14 16:55:47 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:55:47 -0600 Subject: Imus on wAbc? Message-ID: >>One of the Rutgers basketball players interviewed in the last week or so stated that Don Imus' words have left an indelible scar that time can never erase. She will never be the same again.<< If racist comments made by a 66-year-old white man are all it takes to leave an indelible scar, this player needs to get out more, and learn that the world is not a very fair place. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Aug 14 18:34:22 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (garys ice cream) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:34:22 -0400 Subject: Gene Burns 40th Anniversary in radio Message-ID: <200708142313.l7ENDZLw067822@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Gene Burns is celebrating his 40th year in radio today with a show full of surprise guests planned by his staff. I was the first guest on the air with him since I used to fill in for him during his stint at WRKO. You can catch it from now til 8 our time at www.kgo810am.com Gary Francis WCAP From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 15 02:34:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:34:03 -0500 Subject: Imus gets 20 million, poss. WABC gig (Drudge) In-Reply-To: References: <20070814161343.4DFE816427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>, Message-ID: <46C2580B.18696.737724@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Aug 2007 at 14:45, John Francini wrote: > Are court awards in civil suits taxable income? Some are, some aren't. It changes every so often, but last I heard, they were taxable income unless they were compensation for personal injuries. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 11:43:01 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:43:01 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out References: <4fc429770708130429l73d805fep5b6d8ee0db6afe67@mail.gmail.com><491358.33552.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770708130620t1207b3d9ve971123395290c23@mail.gmail.com><46C05BE7.7060205@billoneill.us><4fc429770708130638x2545c928mdfea8f6e4c15aa0e@mail.gmail.com><647737520708130820j4277e9feu9e8dd7e1eeeba2e@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770708131044k74d3f29di50b1929dc7d82068@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770708132059m4b20bbejdd9908e62aa1ad52@mail.gmail.com> <18113.12105.827600.319602@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <02b101c7df53$901c4580$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> It is getting worse as Dennis was telling people at Fenway if he is >> locked out of radiothon he will leave WEEI. Now I wonder if WTTK is in >> the mix? My guess is that D&C feel very confident that Entercom *needs* them and will bend to their demands...or at least come close. With Howie competing *against* Entercom..... And, with WRKO's lineup lacking... And WEEI/WRKO being in a precarious postion lately. Can you imagine Entercom begining the fall rating period without Howie on RKO....and without D&C on WEEI? It would be like driving a car with two flat tires. I'm sure this has emboldened D&C to hold out for the "deal of the century". Ordway is supposedly doing $400k to $440k. I'm sure D&C are using that as a reference point. Does the afternoon guy make more than the morning guy(s)? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 12:17:58 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <02b101c7df53$901c4580$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <81988.1127.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I still don't think Howie is a lock for AM drive at 96.9. Does anyone really think this Imus/WABC deal popped up out of thin air and that Greater Media didn't know about it? I have no inside knowledge, unlike Kevin, but I could see this: WTKK: -- AM drive: Don Imus -- PM drive: Howie Carr WRKO: -- AM drive: Jay Severin -- PM drive: Tom Finneran Where John Dennis and Gerry Callahan end up, who knows. They probably have to wait for the Imus domino to shake out first before plotting further moves. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 15 12:17:30 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:17:30 -0500 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out Message-ID: <20070815161732.ED4AB49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> How long is Severin's deal with Greater Media, anyone know? The SaveWRKO.com blog reported that an "off-site pow wow" was held yesterday, between Carr's people and Entercom. Blogger Brian Maloney is led to believe Entercom could find a way to keep Carr...but wonders why he'd want to keep working there. Supposedly he was upset by salary cut, the hiring of Finneran, and Sox pre-emptions. (And dwindling of the 680 signal after dark.) But they could find a way to please him somehow. WTKK gives him static-free FM (no fade halfway during his show in winter), a morning slot, no Finneran, no Sox... perhaps a substantially higher salary. Who knows, he could still stay with WRKO--stranger things have happened. WABC/Citadel is denying there is a deal to put Imus on and some speculation has him going to WOR; who knows. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 13:39:35 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:39:35 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out References: <20070815161732.ED4AB49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0b7601c7df63$4328eb60$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > The SaveWRKO blog reported... Please don't give this guy at savewrko, etc any more publicity. He's a wanna be talk show host who is upset beacuse he got let go from his very limited weekend gig at WRKO....so that's his agenda driven blog. He holds himself up as some kind of authority on radio and talkradio expecially. I see nothing in his background that qualifies his as such. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 15 15:28:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:28:16 -0500 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out Message-ID: <20070815192817.449F049B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes, people should take what Maloney says with a grain of salt but he has had some interesting bits of news (even if agenda/grudge-driven). Actually Boston Sports Media Watch (http://www.bostonsportsmediawatch.com ) has turned out to have some interesting news items (and again, take them for what they're worth)--recently they said they got a couple emails supposedly from someone at Entercom saying that Dennis and Callahan each were demanding $1 million to $1.5 million per year (perhaps to be in line for Carr's salary, which was spilled to the Boston Globe earlier)...and now they say they were contacted by John Dennis, who said that the lockout is NOT a "stunt" as some may feel. Of course these sources, along with the Globe and Herald writers covering it, have their own "sources" who may indeed have their own agenda/purpose in leaking news or spreading rumors. From rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com Wed Aug 15 13:28:05 2007 From: rlevy@broadcastsignallab.com (Rick Levy) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:28:05 -0400 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off Message-ID: <01ab01c7df61$b6d591a0$0201a8c0@Titan> Russ Butler wrote: >> In 1951, I read a small announcement in the Globe that a new FM station would begin broadcasting on the dial.... [Lowell Institute... Council] was organized by six colleges and universities in Boston with the Lowell Institute... to provide initial funding to get the first, non-commercial FM radio station on the air in Boston. << Then they obviously didn't succeed. The honor of being the first NCE-FM on the air in Boston belongs to WERS, which made its debut in Nov. 1949 as a 10-watter. It was up to 330 Watts ERP by the time GBH signed on. By then WBUR had also gone on the air. Just keeping the historical record straight. (Where is Donna when we need her?) From lglavin@mail.com Wed Aug 15 13:42:16 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:42:16 -0500 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" Message-ID: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> The Boston Herald's Entertainment section is called "The Edge" for no apparent reason, and today (Wednesday, 8/15) it includes a story on "smooth jazz" as a performance phenomenon and a (missing in Boston) radio station format. Links to newspaper stories can become non-functional within hours, but as of early Wednesday afternoon it was working on radio-info.com's Boston board: http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=1017186 -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 15 16:44:39 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:44:39 -0400 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off In-Reply-To: <01ab01c7df61$b6d591a0$0201a8c0@Titan> References: <01ab01c7df61$b6d591a0$0201a8c0@Titan> Message-ID: <20070815204448.76548D37D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Rick said-- > >Just keeping the historical record straight. (Where is Donna when we need >her?) Just lost my grandma, at age 96, may she rest in peace, so I'm kind of pre-occupied with that. But as I understand it, WERS was indeed the first 10 watt educational FM to get on the air in Massachusetts, and maybe even the first in New England-- several others were licensed but didn't get on the air till later. WERS did a dedication ceremony on 2 November 1949 and began regular broadcasts on 14 November 1949. WERS got a power boost and a dial position change in late 1950. From francini@mac.com Wed Aug 15 16:45:35 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:45:35 -0400 Subject: Dennis and Callahan locked out In-Reply-To: <20070815192817.449F049B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070815192817.449F049B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <753F66F2-123C-42F8-A525-EA212892EF84@mac.com> A correct link would be . John On 15 Aug 2007, at 15:28, Bob Nelson wrote: > Yes, people should take what Maloney says with a grain of salt but > he has had some > interesting bits of news (even if agenda/grudge-driven). Actually > Boston Sports Media Watch (http://www.bostonsportsmediawatch.com ) > has turned out to have some interesting news items (and again, take > them for what they're > worth)--recently they said they got a couple emails supposedly from > someone at Entercom > saying that Dennis and Callahan each were demanding $1 million to > $1.5 million per year > (perhaps to be in line for Carr's salary, which was spilled to the > Boston Globe > earlier)...and now they say they were contacted by John Dennis, who > said that > the lockout is NOT a "stunt" as some may feel. > > Of course these sources, along with the Globe and Herald writers > covering it, > have their own "sources" who may indeed have their own agenda/ > purpose in > leaking news or spreading rumors. > > > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Aug 15 18:41:05 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:41:05 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001301c7df8d$68a476a0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237> -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:42 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" >The Boston Herald's Entertainment section is called "The Edge" for no apparent reason, and today (Wednesday, 8/15) it includes a story on "smooth jazz" as a performance phenomenon and a (missing in Boston) radio station format.< If you have HD, then you will find that Smooth Jazz is on WMJX HD-2. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 19:06:51 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off In-Reply-To: <20070815204448.76548D37D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <189306.19102.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Donna Halper wrote: > > >Rick said-- > > > >Just keeping the historical record straight. > (Where is Donna when we need > >her?) > > Just lost my grandma, at age 96, may she rest in > peace, so I'm kind > of pre-occupied with that. Sorry about your loss, Donna. -Pete But as I understand it, > WERS was indeed > the first 10 watt educational FM to get on the air > in Massachusetts, > and maybe even the first in New England-- several > others were > licensed but didn't get on the air till later. WERS > did a dedication > ceremony on 2 November 1949 and began regular > broadcasts on 14 > November 1949. WERS got a power boost and a dial > position change in late 1950. > > Rick Levy probably knows all of this info, but for the rest of us........ In fact WERS's first dial position was on 88.1 MC/s during that first year of operation. (The same 88.1 which would be the home to MIT's WTBS/now WMBR some 10 years later). Later, WERS would skyrocket to 18,000 watts (horizontal only) from the original Beacon Street location. At that time, WERS's signal was not impeded by any tall buildings (except the Old Hancock) and covered a lot of real estate within the area now known as the 495 belt. Slowly the 'ERS signal was inundated with multipath galore as Boston skyline developed. It was said that the 'ERS signal was easily available on toasters, razors and even TV's. But it barely made it RADIOS, out of Boston. In April, 1974... WERS made the first move to regaining the signal they lost while the signal was being encroached by development. (The top of the old site's tower was shorter than most of the buildings around it.) WERS moved to the top of the Pru at 895 watts ERP, with signal that far surpassed anything the old site could have had AND for the first time it was in STEREO! Today, WERS is now running 5,000 watts ERP with IBOC and blankets most of Eastern Mass.,Southern NH and Northeastern RI. Not too shabby for a station that started as a Class D some nearly 60 years ago! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From readaaron@friedbagels.com Wed Aug 15 19:05:11 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:05:11 -0400 Subject: Original WGBH-FM signon/off Message-ID: <46C386A7.9080300@friedbagels.com> And Emerson just BARELY beat WBUR, I might add...my research showed that WBUR came on the air in March of 1950...a scant five months after WERS. Mind you, that simple fact didn't stop WBUR from promoting themselves as the first non-commercial Boston station. I saw several entries in old BU yearbooks and newspapers where they said they were the first. :-) -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 Russ Butler wrote: >> In 1951, I read a small announcement in the Globe that a new FM station would begin broadcasting on the dial.... [Lowell Institute... Council] was organized by six colleges and universities in Boston with the Lowell Institute... to provide initial funding to get the first, non-commercial FM radio station on the air in Boston. << Then they obviously didn't succeed. The honor of being the first NCE-FM on the air in Boston belongs to WERS, which made its debut in Nov. 1949 as a 10-watter. It was up to 330 Watts ERP by the time GBH signed on. By then WBUR had also gone on the air. Just keeping the historical record straight. (Where is Donna when we need her?) From readaaron@friedbagels.com Wed Aug 15 19:24:50 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:24:50 -0400 Subject: FCC publishes HD Radio R&O in Federal Register...rules go active Sept.14th Message-ID: <46C38B42.5030304@friedbagels.com> Hide your daughters and arm your sons, ladies and gentlemen! The 2nd R&O is official as of Sept.14th and that means two big things: nighttime IBOC on AM, and commercials on FM Multicasts. It means other things too, for the details visit here: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20071800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-15922.htm (if there's URL wrap, try this link = http://tinyurl.com/2ftscw ) If neither work, go here = http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/fr-cont.html ...and scroll down to the FCC's section. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 16 10:04:52 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:04:52 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <001301c7df8d$68a476a0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237> References: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c7df8d$68a476a0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237> Message-ID: <46C45984.5090403@cssinc.com> Larry Weil wrote: > > > If you have HD, then you will find that Smooth Jazz is on WMJX HD-2. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > As one of the five listeners in Boston with an HD radio, I think that it sounds great. Strange music mix though. During yesterday's smooth jazz broadcast I heard Al Hirt. I guess that he goes along with Benny Goodman and the Mills Brothers earlier this week. Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 16 10:43:16 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:43:16 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" References: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><001301c7df8d$68a476a0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237> <46C45984.5090403@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <001201c7e013$cc5d1040$19eefea9@dstrassberg> A few months back I was waiting in my physician's office on Beacon St maybe 0.2 miles west of the Boston-Brookline line. I became aware of this great-sounding soft jazz playing in the background. It was WMJX HD-2. I would call the audio quality outstanding and I would not have called the music mix smooth "jazz" because I actually reconized the melodies. In my experience, smooth junk--err, smooth "jazz"--NEVER includes recognizable melodies and it's always all Kenny G all the time. (I did not hear any alto sax in the 10 minutes or so that I was in the waiting room.) Anyhow, the office is on the second floor of the building and I did not hear any dropouts or interference of any sort. I don't know the brand of receiver but perhaps they were using a rooftop antenna because the office is in a building that is much taller than the others in the neighborhood. I imagine that it's a clear line-of-sight to the top of the Pru from the fourth or fifth floor upward. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" > Larry Weil wrote: > > > > > > If you have HD, then you will find that Smooth Jazz is on WMJX HD-2. > > > > Larry Weil > > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > As one of the five listeners in Boston with an HD radio, I think that it > sounds great. Strange music mix though. During yesterday's smooth jazz > broadcast I heard Al Hirt. I guess that he goes along with Benny > Goodman and the Mills Brothers earlier this week. > > Brian From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Aug 16 11:07:09 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:07:09 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <46C45984.5090403@cssinc.com> References: <20070815174216.C9CA416427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c7df8d$68a476a0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237> <46C45984.5090403@cssinc.com> Message-ID: At 10:04 AM -0400 8/16/07, Brian Vita wrote: >As one of the five listeners in Boston with an HD radio If they really sold that slowly, RS and You Blew It would no longer be selling them. Last I looked, they still were. Then again, there are still some people out there who think only a few people have HD televisions! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 16 11:56:26 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:56:26 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> > At 10:04 AM -0400 8/16/07, Brian Vita wrote: > > >As one of the five listeners in Boston with an HD radio > > If they really sold that slowly, RS and You Blew It would no longer > be selling them. Last I looked, they still were. I agree but the vast majority of people that I've tried to discuss HD radio with were not aware of its existance or were confusing it with XM/Sirius. Its unfortunate that they chose to call it HD radio because I think its easliy confused with HDTV. Folks hear HD and they assume that we're talking about TV. I just hope that the listener base increases fast enough so that the broadcasters (CC, GM, etc) don't throw in the towel as with AM Stereo (which, by the way, RS also sold). The other limiting factor is the slow nationwide rollout. In many of the markets that I have customers in, there's only one HD station. Check out how many HD stations there are in ND! Even with such major retailers as You Blew It, Best Buy, RS and CSS (shameless plug) selling it, the market share still has to be under 1% for now. What percentage of the listening public has satellite radio now? > > Then again, there are still some people out there who think only a > few people have HD televisions! I'm one of those too. While its gaining acceptance, it still is a minority. Of course this will change as the day of rude awakening looms nearer. HD radio has no such deadline...yet. Brian Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 16 12:10:54 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:10:54 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <001201c7e013$cc5d1040$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000f01c7e020$062b6130$6800a8c0@lysthia> > From: Dan Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:43 AM > To: Brian Vita; Larry Weil > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" > > >...I would call the audio > quality outstanding and I would not have called the music mix > smooth "jazz" because I actually reconized the melodies. In > my experience, smooth junk--err, smooth "jazz"--NEVER > includes recognizable melodies and it's always all Kenny G > all the time. (I did not hear any alto sax in the 10 minutes > or so that I was in the waiting room.) Your ignorance of the format speaks volumes. I don't want to start another flame war vis a vis the "dumbing classical" drone but might want to suggest that check out the music before you condemn it. Kenny G is no longer a mainstay of the format. On his last outings he was paired with more "pop" artists such as Earth Wind and Fire. Herbie Hancock (not a sax player last time I checked)did a duet with Christina Aguliera. Philippe Saisse covers Steely Dan and Beatles songs along with some standards. Diana Krall, Michael Buble, Jamie Cullum bring a modern kick to orignal and new vocal standards. Al Jarreau did a compilation album with George Benson. Mindi Abair and Candy Dulfer make a saxaphone sexy. Steve Cole makes it funky The Rippingtons have been performing together for 20 years. Shall I go on? Yes, some smooth jazz programmers don't get it (KOAZ-FM in Vegas comes to mind) and try the Kenny G mixed with real sappy vocals all the time approach and, I agree, it's terrible. Properly programmed, without a load of AC vocals to please management, NAC is a great relaxing format to listen to at work or while relaxing in the evening. I have it on in the office because its entertaining and,unlike traditional AC, it doesn't keep screaming for my attention. Magic is a great station, I just can't listen to it while I'm working because I keep getting distracted by it. Just my .02 Brian Vita Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From sid@wrko.com Thu Aug 16 12:18:03 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:18:03 -0600 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" Message-ID: >>What percentage of the listening public has satellite radio now?<< About 13 million. Just for reference, that's approximately 40% of the weekly cume for WINS...one station in one market. >>While its gaining acceptance, it still is a minority. Of course this will change as the day of rude awakening looms nearer. HD radio has no such deadline...yet.<< It won't change much, with most folks getting their TV from cable, which is under no deadline for upgrading to HDTV. HD radio will likely not face a deadline for conversion for decades. Unlike the situation with TV, there is no shift of spectrum going on. Analog and digital are being transmitted on the same frequencies (in theory, at least). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 16 12:32:13 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:32:13 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c7e023$014dedb0$6800a8c0@lysthia> > >>What percentage of the listening public has satellite radio now?<< > > About 13 million. Just for reference, that's approximately > 40% of the weekly cume for WINS...one station in one market. > Wow. I didn't realize that all of the satellite radio owners had to go to NY. I better get moving. Seriously, 13 million is a good number but when you compare it nationally to the number of radios, its still a small per centage. Brian No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 16 12:53:31 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:53:31 -0500 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" Message-ID: <20070816165331.937BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Vita" >To: "'Larry Weil'" >Subject: RE: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:56:26 -0400 > At 10:04 AM -0400 8/16/07, Brian Vita wrote: > > Then again, there are still some people out there who think only > a few people have HD televisions! >I'm one of those too. While its gaining acceptance, it still is a minority. >Of course this will change as the day of rude awakening looms near... >Brian >Brian Vita, President >Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. >77 Walnut St - Ste 4 >Peabody, MA 01960-5691 >Office: (978)538-7575 >Fax: (978)538-7550 Just a heads-up: as of this coming Sunday, August 19th, there are exactly 18 months until analog TV gets a visit from Oscar, the death-scenting cat. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Aug 16 14:27:48 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:27:48 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <000f01c7e020$062b6130$6800a8c0@lysthia> References: <000f01c7e020$062b6130$6800a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <893ac87ffc37632cefa4c6f2a093be96@charter.net> Then you must mean nearly all smooth jazz programmers. Most terrestrial SJ stations these days are playing 50% vocals, and most of them are AC and Urban AC crossovers from the past. I've even heard some "smooth jazz" stations play disco tracks like LTD "Every Time I Turn Around," Emotions "Best Of My Love" or Earth Wind & Fire "September.' That's not "smooth" to me. Sure, there's some new artists, but there is still a lot of Sade, old Dave Koz and yes, Kenny G popping up on smooth jazz stations. Just about all of the major stations are taking this approach, KIFM/San Diego, KTWV/Los Angeles, WNUA/Chicago, WLVE/Miami, WNWV/Cleveland, WVMV/Detroit among many others. Why? Most successful SJ stations are consulted by Broadcast Architecture, a firm specializing in smooth jazz. They're big believers in adding more out of format vocals and crossover hits to maintain TSL and bring in younger listeners. This company also runs a record label with many of their own artists popping up on their consulted stations. They recently started a 24 hour smooth jazz syndicated service with Ramsey Lewis in morning drive and Koz in afternoons, all voicetracked--so that smaller market SJ stations can inexpensively air their format. Some larger market stations are picking up a daypart or two of this service to save a few bucks. This firm calls the shots for the entire format. Truth is, smooth jazz is slowly dying. Much like oldies and news-talk, the listenership is dominated by baby boomers who are aging out of the 25-54 demo with very few younger listeners discovering the format. Adding all the AC vocals is a last ditch effort to save the format on terrestrial radio, the same way beautiful music tried to in the early 80's. XM/Watercolors does not take this approach. If you listen to it, you're not getting the same product that terrestrial listeners are. As far as Boston radio goes, I can't see how anyone would want to run this format. It has a checkered history in this market as it is, and with the demos skewing as old as they are right now, it just wouldn't make sense. GM running a version of it on an HD2 channel is probably the best you're going to get here. Other than that, you've got satellite radio and internet stations. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 16, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > > Yes, some smooth jazz programmers don't get it (KOAZ-FM in Vegas comes > to > mind) and try the Kenny G mixed with real sappy vocals all the time > approach > and, I agree, it's terrible. Properly programmed, without a load of AC > vocals to please management, NAC is a great relaxing format to listen > to at > work or while relaxing in the evening. I have it on in the office > because > its entertaining and,unlike traditional AC, it doesn't keep screaming > for my > attention. > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 14:47:31 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:47:31 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" References: <20070816165331.937BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <009b01c7e036$c340fb20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > Just a heads-up: as of this coming Sunday, August 19th, there are exactly > 18 months until analog TV gets a visit from Oscar, the death-scenting cat. I would imagine that cable companies would still be offerring analog hookups. From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 15:12:57 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:12:57 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <009b01c7e036$c340fb20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <20070816165331.937BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <009b01c7e036$c340fb20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46C4A1B9.5050209@fybush.com> Don A wrote: > >> Just a heads-up: as of this coming Sunday, August 19th, there are exactly >> 18 months until analog TV gets a visit from Oscar, the death-scenting >> cat. > > I would imagine that cable companies would still be offerring analog > hookups. > And satellite receivers will continue to have analog outputs. And it's simply too soon to be able to say how effective the gummint's coupon plan for converter boxes will turn out to be. s From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Aug 16 15:23:23 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:23:23 -0400 Subject: HD Radio (was:RE: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz") In-Reply-To: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Brian Vita wrote: > > The other limiting factor is the slow nationwide rollout. In > many of the markets that I have customers in, there's only > one HD station. Check out how many HD stations there are in ND! And I've also found that the listing on the HD Radio website that most people look at to find stations only lists the commercial stations airing HD (the formats page). There is a more complete listing that includes the non-commercial stations in HD (of which there are many), but it is harder to find. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 16 15:36:38 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:36:38 -0400 Subject: HD Radio (was:RE: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz") In-Reply-To: <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There is a more complete listing that includes the non-commercial > stations in HD (of which there are many), but it is harder to find. I think it was pretty clear, when CPB and NPR got heavily behind the HD push, that noncomm band was going to be where it's at for quite a while, at least in terms of driving receiver sales. In so many markets, there is only a single public-radio outlet, and there's a lot of pressure for public radio to prove its relevance to new audiences so there is currently much more programming available in the public radio system than any one station can carry. Adding HD2 and even HD3 subchannels makes it possible for one station to serve more of those constituencies, and eventually, in some cases, "purify" their schedules to reduce dayparting of formats. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 15:40:16 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:40:16 -0400 Subject: HD Radio In-Reply-To: <18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <46C4A820.8060307@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> There is a more complete listing that includes the non-commercial >> stations in HD (of which there are many), but it is harder to find. > > I think it was pretty clear, when CPB and NPR got heavily behind the > HD push, that noncomm band was going to be where it's at for quite a > while, at least in terms of driving receiver sales. In so many > markets, there is only a single public-radio outlet, and there's a lot > of pressure for public radio to prove its relevance to new audiences > so there is currently much more programming available in the public > radio system than any one station can carry. Adding HD2 and even HD3 > subchannels makes it possible for one station to serve more of those > constituencies, and eventually, in some cases, "purify" their > schedules to reduce dayparting of formats. What's more, public radio has a direct connection to its listener base that most commercial stations don't have, which is a good thing when it comes to receiver distribution. By making HD radios available as pledge premiums, the hope among many in public radio is that they can break the distribution bottleneck and avoid even worrying about the lack of support at the retail level. s From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 15:58:56 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <46C4A1B9.5050209@fybush.com> Message-ID: <647722.5013.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you can find a converter box. I bought mine for $89 (not a lot of $$$) at a RS closeout, paid another $40 for an indoor HD antenna (which might not be necessary in all cases) and I already had connector cables. I haven't seen a stand alone converter box in a while. I feel as if I owned a UHF converter in the 50s. Is it going to wind up like it did in Britain, where the government had to buy the last person with a 405 line set a new PAL set? --- Scott Fybush wrote: > > And satellite receivers will continue to have analog > outputs. And it's > simply too soon to be able to say how effective the > gummint's coupon > plan for converter boxes will turn out to be. > > s > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 16:25:51 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:25:51 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <647722.5013.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <647722.5013.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46C4B2CF.4000909@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > If you can find a converter box. If you follow the logic of the coupon program, you DON'T want converters to be widely available in the stores right now. As much bad PR as there already is about the conversion, imagine how much more there would be if people were going into Wal-Mart or Target, plunking down $90 for a converter box now, then finding out in January 2008 that they can get a coupon that will knock that price down to $50 or lower. The claim that's being made is that the converter boxes are being made right now in large quantities in China (or wherever), but that they won't be released to retail until the coupons are issued in January. At that point - so the concept goes - there will be a coordinated effort that will include coupons from the Feds, a flood of cheap converters in the stores, and lots of publicity from the stations. In the meantime, the push at the retail level is for cheap SDTV sets with integrated ATSC tuners. There won't be coupons for those, so no harm in releasing them now. The prices on those are dropping like a stone already. s From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 16 18:37:31 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <46C4B2CF.4000909@fybush.com> References: <647722.5013.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <46C4B2CF.4000909@fybush.com> Message-ID: <46C48B5B.19618.5E1E1FB@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 16 Aug 2007 Scott Fybush wrote: > In the meantime, the push at the retail level is for cheap SDTV sets > with integrated ATSC tuners. There won't be coupons for those, so no > harm in releasing them now. The prices on those are dropping like a > stone already. SDTV? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Aug 16 17:41:22 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:41:22 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <46C48B5B.19618.5E1E1FB@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7e04e$310b17f0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Standard Definition Televisions Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:38 PM > To: Scott Fybush > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" > > > On 16 Aug 2007 Scott Fybush wrote: > > > In the meantime, the push at the retail level is for cheap > SDTV sets > > with integrated ATSC tuners. There won't be coupons for > those, so no > > harm in releasing them now. The prices on those are dropping like a > > stone already. > > SDTV? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release > Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 18:16:14 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:16:14 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> Just received a news release from Entercom - they're partnering up with Nassau, will take a 50% ownership stake in 99.5, which will stay classical - and will put the WEEI network on 11 Nassau stations in Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. No word on which stations just yet, but we can start speculating, can't we... s From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Aug 16 18:49:14 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:49:14 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> References: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> Message-ID: Interesting, since there were articles in both the Globe & Herald today saying that Dennis & Callahan were negotiating directly with Nassau about doing mornings on a new regional sports network based at WCRB. You have to wonder if Entercom swooped in and set this up with Nassau from right under D&C to limit their options and force them to budge at the bargaining table. It also eliminates a possible competitor to WEEI in Boston, and expands their reach. Nassau makes out since they can put a profitable format on a bunch of their stations around New England and I'm sure that the cash infusion from selling 50% of 99.5 will help their bottom line. It looks like a win-win for everyone involved--except for D&C. I would assume that the two AM's they own in Portland and Lewiston which currently program ESPN would be prime candidates for the WEEI network, but I wouldn't be surprised if they put it on the Bone stations to keep it on FM. WPXC on the Cape, which has struggled in the ratings since Nassau acquired them will most likely pick up WEEI. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 16, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Just received a news release from Entercom - they're partnering up > with Nassau, will take a 50% ownership stake in 99.5, which will stay > classical - and will put the WEEI network on 11 Nassau stations in > Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. No word > on which stations just yet, but we can start speculating, can't we... > > s > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Aug 16 18:51:07 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:51:07 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> Message-ID: <011101c7e057$ef52dc30$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> 11 stations seems like a very high number. Do they even own stations in 11 markets in northern New England? And if they do, are their stations there doing bad enough to give up their current formats? One market for example, Concord/Lakes Region in NH, WLNH, Oldies, and The Hawk, appear to be doing well. WJYY had a down book, so would this be where EEI would end up? Of course all I'm looking at is the 12+ ratings... On Cape Cod, Frank does better than Pixy, maybe they'd move Frank to the better 102.9 signal, and put Pixy on either 93.5 or 101.1, and EEI other the other, or kill Pixy completely (elimination any kind of new rock at all from the Cape.) Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:16 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB > > Just received a news release from Entercom - they're partnering up with > Nassau, will take a 50% ownership stake in 99.5, which will stay > classical - and will put the WEEI network on 11 Nassau stations in > Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. No word > on which stations just yet, but we can start speculating, can't we... > > s From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Aug 16 19:10:57 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:10:57 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> References: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> Message-ID: <000001c7e05a$b868c1a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:16 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB > and will put the WEEI > network on 11 Nassau stations in Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, > Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. So much for localism!!!! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Aug 16 19:20:11 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:20:11 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <000001c7e05a$b868c1a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <011201c7e05b$fedb5020$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > > and will put the WEEI > > network on 11 Nassau stations in Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, > > Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. > > So much for localism!!!! If/when this happens, I wonder if WEEI can finally go with a local host overnights, and on all weekend shifts? WFAN and WIP do it, why not EEI? I think WEEI should be able to support a local host overnight even now, never mind all the new callers they'll get. Plus, they will probably overlap with other Fox Sports radio affiliates in some of the Nassau markets. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 16 19:36:08 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:36:08 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> Message-ID: <009501c7e05e$3932d9d0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> That would be a smart move....... Here's most of Nassau's NH Station List (Lakes Region/Concord area + 106.3 Nashua) WWHQ (101.5) Meridith & WWHK (102.3) Concord are a Classic Rock Simulcast (The Hawk) WNNH (99.1) Henniker & WLKZ (104.9) Wolfeboro are a 60's 70's Oldies Simulcast WNHW (93.3) Belmont is Country (The Wolf...I think Nassau uses this for all its NE Country Outlets) WLNH-FM 98.3 Laconia (AC) WJYY 105.5 Concord (CHR) WEMJ 1490 Laconia (Talk) WFNK 106.3 Nashua (Classic Hits) "Frank-FM" (In the WEEI listening area, so I can't see them using this signal) My bet is WEMJ would make sense. They carry Howie Carr now, and if he leaves to WTKK, I could see WEMJ going //WEEI (WBEI anyone?) For a NH FM, either take 102.3 from the "Hawk" simulcast or 99.1 from the Oldies Simulcast, whichever is lower rated or billed for "WBEI-FM" My .02 from an audiophile whose only Radio experience is a regular panelist on WEZS's "Advocates" show on Saturday mornings.... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:16 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Just received a news release from Entercom - they're partnering up with Nassau, will take a 50% ownership stake in 99.5, which will stay classical - and will put the WEEI network on 11 Nassau stations in Portland, Lebanon/WRJ, Concord, Montpelier/Barre and Cape Cod. No word on which stations just yet, but we can start speculating, can't we... s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 16 20:02:17 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:02:17 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" In-Reply-To: <893ac87ffc37632cefa4c6f2a093be96@charter.net> References: <000f01c7e020$062b6130$6800a8c0@lysthia> <893ac87ffc37632cefa4c6f2a093be96@charter.net> Message-ID: <46C4E589.8090100@ttlc.net> David Tomm wrote: >...Most successful SJ stations are consulted by Broadcast > Architecture, a firm specializing in smooth jazz. They're big believers > in adding more out of format vocals and crossover hits to maintain TSL > and bring in younger listeners. This company also runs a record label > with many of their own artists popping up on their consulted stations. Somehow, this exudes a whiff of Payola, conflict of interest or something akin. Do they do disclaimers? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 19:05:16 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <011101c7e057$ef52dc30$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <499371.40138.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 106.3 in Nashua -- very obvious first choice to add to the WEEI network. It puts Absolute Broadcasting in a massive hole. No matter how many signals they wanna put The Game (which is a good medium-market sports radio station, FWIW) on, they'll be facing an uphill road with WEEI on 106.3. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 20:47:09 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <009501c7e05e$3932d9d0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <117792.71712.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > WFNK 106.3 Nashua (Classic Hits) "Frank-FM" (In the WEEI listening > area, so > I can't see them using this signal) Au contraire, at least for me. Maybe it's my crappy car radio, and maybe it's my crappy house radio, but I can't get WEEI very well in Nashua. I'm thinking WFNK would help WEEI a lot in southern New Hampshire and the Merrimack Valley. I have no Census stats at hand, but I'm guessing many of the residents up here are commuting into Boston for work, or at least on a pretty regular basis. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 22:25:37 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:25:37 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <117792.71712.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <117792.71712.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46C50721.3050704@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >> WFNK 106.3 Nashua (Classic Hits) "Frank-FM" (In the WEEI listening >> area, so >> I can't see them using this signal) > > Au contraire, at least for me. Maybe it's my crappy car radio, and > maybe it's my crappy house radio, but I can't get WEEI very well in > Nashua. I'm thinking WFNK would help WEEI a lot in southern New > Hampshire and the Merrimack Valley. I have no Census stats at hand, but > I'm guessing many of the residents up here are commuting into Boston > for work, or at least on a pretty regular basis. You know, given that Entercom has been phenomenally successful with the WEEI-FM signal on 103.7, and given how perfectly that signal nests with the 99.5 signal to create massive coverage from Manchester (Concord, even) down to the Cape and eastern Connecticut...is it out of the question that the real end game here is WEEI sports on 99.5? No, the PR implications wouldn't be pretty, at least not at first, but it's not an idea I'd rule out if I ran Entercom. s From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 16 23:18:47 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:18:47 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Say 99.5 does go sports. Does that mean classical is done on Boston > commercial radio? I can't see 104.9 returning to classical. 99.1 would > seem the only other commercial option. I would imagine that classical would show up on someone's HD2 - 102.5, perhaps, just to close the circle and provide a full-market signal? I would also imagine, though, that there'd be cause for one of the noncomms to take up the slack. It's not at all impossible to imagine WGBH mustering the resources to buy a smaller commercial signal - WFNX comes to mind here - and take that classical as a noncomm. (If, of course, Mindich ever wanted to sell, and there's no sign of that.) If Entercom wanted to blunt the PR impact of "killing" WCRB, perhaps it could offer WGBH the 97.7 signal at a reasonable price? It hasn't seemed to move the needle very dramatically where WAAF's ratings are concerned, at least not that I've seen, and it's already at the same site as 89.7... s From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 16 23:22:56 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:22:56 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18117.5264.418565.142693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If Entercom wanted to blunt the PR impact of "killing" WCRB, perhaps it > could offer WGBH the 97.7 signal at a reasonable price? It hasn't seemed > to move the needle very dramatically where WAAF's ratings are concerned, > at least not that I've seen, and it's already at the same site as 89.7... My dentist would be *devastated*.... -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 22:42:57 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C50721.3050704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > You know, given that Entercom has been phenomenally successful with > the > WEEI-FM signal on 103.7, and given how perfectly that signal nests > with > the 99.5 signal to create massive coverage from Manchester (Concord, > even) down to the Cape and eastern Connecticut...is it out of the > question that the real end game here is WEEI sports on 99.5? > > No, the PR implications wouldn't be pretty, at least not at first, > but > it's not an idea I'd rule out if I ran Entercom. You know, I've been thinking the same thing, but I didn't wanna sound too Joseph Gallant-like! It would make the most sense out of any scenario proposed so far. Say 99.5 does go sports. Does that mean classical is done on Boston commercial radio? I can't see 104.9 returning to classical. 99.1 would seem the only other commercial option. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 17 00:50:38 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:50:38 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com>, Message-ID: <46C4E2CE.5629.7AF328@joe.attorneyross.com> On 16 Aug 2007 at 18:49, David Tomm wrote: > Interesting, since there were articles in both the Globe & Herald > today saying that Dennis & Callahan were negotiating directly with > Nassau about doing mornings on a new regional sports network based at > WCRB. You have to wonder if Entercom swooped in and set this up with > Nassau from right under D&C to limit their options and force them to > budge at the bargaining table. It also eliminates a possible > competitor to WEEI in Boston, and expands their reach. Nassau makes > out since they can put a profitable format on a bunch of their > stations around New England and I'm sure that the cash infusion from > selling 50% of 99.5 will help their bottom line. It looks like a > win-win for everyone involved--except for D&C. But it shows just how precarious is the continued survival of WCRB as a classical station. We won a reprieve last year, not a victory. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 23:36:27 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> Message-ID: <436751.77046.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > I would imagine that classical would show up on someone's HD2 - > 102.5, > perhaps, just to close the circle and provide a full-market signal? Still not many HD radios out there; might as well do a funeral for the format on commercial radio here. > I would also imagine, though, that there'd be cause for one of the > noncomms to take up the slack. It's not at all impossible to imagine > WGBH mustering the resources to buy a smaller commercial signal - > WFNX > comes to mind here - and take that classical as a noncomm. (If, of > course, Mindich ever wanted to sell, and there's no sign of that.) > > If Entercom wanted to blunt the PR impact of "killing" WCRB, perhaps > it > could offer WGBH the 97.7 signal at a reasonable price? It hasn't > seemed > to move the needle very dramatically where WAAF's ratings are > concerned, > at least not that I've seen, and it's already at the same site as > 89.7... Always thought Entercom way overpaid for WKAF myself. Before the downgrade, WAAF really did hit the Boston market well -- except for the city. They paid a lot of money for a glorified translator. Could classical work on AM? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 17 01:10:19 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:10:19 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <46C50721.3050704@fybush.com> <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070817051031.52FEC1B4635@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> And it was asked-- >Say 99.5 does go sports. Does that mean classical is done on Boston >commercial radio? I can't see 104.9 returning to classical. 99.1 would >seem the only other commercial option. Well, the memo that was sent around internally and also to the media said classical was going to continue on the air-- I mean the title of the memo was "Nassau and Entercom Form Joint Venture to Own and Operate WCRB FM and Preserve 60-Year Heritage Classical Format." From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 01:47:44 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <20070817051031.52FEC1B4635@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <586327.52878.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Well, the memo that was sent around internally and also to the media > said classical was going to continue on the air-- I mean the title of > > the memo was "Nassau and Entercom Form Joint Venture to Own and > Operate WCRB FM and Preserve 60-Year Heritage Classical Format." While that may be their plans now, get back to me in 18 months. Those words are as cheap as the paper on which they're written. (I don't mean to sound snide, but I'm very cynical of what any public figure states.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 17 03:49:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:49:11 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070817074911.4476883BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >> I wonder if WEEI can finally go with a local host overnights This is being done now most nights with Red Sox Rewind or whatever they're calling it. Whether the game's on 680 or 850, they go to local Red Sox discussion from 11 pm to 1 am on 850. Recently when the Sox were on the West Coast, they had syndie Fox Sports (JT The Brick) till about 2 am, then went local at 2 am! From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Aug 17 08:11:51 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070817121151.BBFF945184@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Sean Smyth had to say: > Say 99.5 does go sports. Does that mean classical is done on Boston > commercial radio? I can't see 104.9 returning to classical. 99.1 would > seem the only other commercial option. I assume you're talking about 99.1 at http://www.wplm.fm/ (webmaster wanted) in Plymouth MA, not WNNH in Concord NH. That would be rather rude. After not being able to get WCRB due to adjacent channel 102.3, 99.5 from Lowell is pretty good. 99.1 means no reception in NH, except maybe from the coast. Never a dull moment in broadcasting these days. -Ric Werme From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 17 09:09:45 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:09:45 -0400 Subject: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" References: <001601c7e023$014dedb0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <007c01c7e0cf$e3cc0800$d9814c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vita To: 'Sid Schweiger' ; Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: RE: "The Edge" on "Smooth Jazz" > > >>What percentage of the listening public has satellite radio now?<< > > > > About 13 million. Just for reference, that's approximately > > 40% of the weekly cume for WINS...one station in one market. > > > Wow. I didn't realize that all of the satellite radio owners had to go to > NY. I better get moving. > > Seriously, 13 million is a good number but when you compare it nationally to > the number of radios, its still a small per centage. > > Brian I love my XM, but subscriptions are slowing every year. The whole medium seems to have "jumped the shark." Don't forget, too, that the "13 million" number doesn't mean 13 million individual listeners. The number is subscriptions, not subscribers. That includes unsold cars on dealer lots (Sirius has been putting these in its numbers for years. I wonder what those cars listen to when nobody's around ... NASCAR Radio? Awesome '80s, to hear those great Cars hits?) and multiple radios owned and used by the same person. Actual human beings listening to satellite radio? I'd expect the real number is under 12 million. Just don't tell the investors. Howard From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 17 09:18:37 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:18:37 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB References: <436751.77046.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a901c7e0d1$20461900$d9814c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Smyth > > Could classical work on AM? > That's where it is in Hartford, on 1290, and you won't find it in the ratings. WCCC 106.9 simulcasts it on its HD-2 stream. It's bird-fed Beethoven Radio music and hosts, with local ads and coming events announcements sprinkled in. I'd imagine that classical on AM in Boston would do similar non-numbers. Most of the existing CRB audience would scatter to other stations and/or other formats, or abandon radio for their CD or MP3 collections. I could see more of that audience buying HD receivers than following the music over to AM. Howard From me@billoneill.us Fri Aug 17 09:22:35 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:22:35 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <18117.5264.418565.142693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> <18117.5264.418565.142693@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <46C5A11B.8040208@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > My dentist would be *devastated*.... > > -GAWollman > > Whoa. Aren't those guys sad enough already? Bill O'Neill From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Aug 17 10:37:17 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:37:17 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <46C5B29D.3000000@Gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote, > Say 99.5 does go sports. Does that mean classical is done on > Boston commercial radio? I can't see 104.9 returning to > classical. 99.1 would seem the only other commercial option. Well, there's always the lackluster "BOSS", 92.9-WBOS! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 17 10:26:34 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:26:34 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070817142635.944CB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> More details have emerged via a Herald article: Entercom paid $10 million for its half of WCRB; Callahan's friend John McGuire was the one who tried to set up a regional sports network with WCRB as flagship... It's said the sports programming on the Nassau stations will start next month. There won't be Red Sox or Celtics games (which are apparently on other stations in the markets, I'd guess) and "Patriots Monday" also won't be on the new simulcast stations. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/media/view.bg?articleid=1017638 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 17 11:49:34 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:34 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB References: <20070817142635.944CB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001501c7e0e6$39258a90$d4a44c0c@SatU205S5044> $10 million for 50% of WCRB??? Considering that Entercom only recently paid $30 million for 100% of what is now WKAF, does that make ANY sense??? Sure WKAF is in Milton and WCRB is in Andover but 'CRB is a full B and 'KAF is an A--and, to my ears, not a very potent one. (WFNX appears to be a better Class A signal for covering the Boston market, although I have not investigated reception of 'FNX on the South Shore, where protections to Providence and--I believe--Cape Cod reduce the signal strength.) Also, what of the rumors that, when all the machinations between Charles River, Greater Media, and Nassau were done, 99.5 changed hands for ~$60 mllion, which seemed to make sense given that the price for 102.5 was reportedly (appropriately enough) ~$102.5 million? Was $60 million a fiction, or could Nassau's sale of half of 'CRB for $10 million be termed a distress sale? And if $60 million for 99.5 IS a fiction, how does one explain $30 mllion for 97.7? I know that the current financial crisis has negatively affected station sale prices, but could it have knocked out 2/3 of WCRB's value in less than a year? Inquiring minds really, REALLY, _REALLY_ want to know! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Jeff Lehmann" ; Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RE: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB > More details have emerged via a Herald article: Entercom paid $10 > million for its half of WCRB; > Callahan's friend John McGuire was the one who tried to set up a > regional sports network > with WCRB as flagship... > > It's said the sports programming on the Nassau stations will start > next month. There won't > be Red Sox or Celtics games (which are apparently on other stations > in the markets, I'd > guess) and "Patriots Monday" also won't be on the new simulcast > stations. > > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/media/view.bg?articleid=1017638 > From me@billoneill.us Fri Aug 17 12:07:03 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:07:03 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <001501c7e0e6$39258a90$d4a44c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <20070817142635.944CB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <001501c7e0e6$39258a90$d4a44c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46C5C7A7.1080601@billoneill.us> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I know that the > current financial crisis has negatively affected station sale prices, > but could it have knocked out 2/3 of WCRB's value in less than a year? > Inquiring minds really, REALLY, _REALLY_ want to know! Not to mention a bus-load of dentists.... Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 17 13:29:26 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB References: <20070817164836.1E4BB1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000901c7e0f4$2cdf1d10$d4a44c0c@SatU205S5044> Have you ever heard of something called "stick value?" I think it's supposed to establish a floor under a station's value. I forget the mutiple, but station prices are usually also supposed to approximate a certain multiple of cash flow. Before moving from Newton to Andover, WCRB was billing about $8 million annually, IIRC. In all likelihood, that resulted in a cash flow of maybe $3 million. I don't know if a multiple of 20 is reasonable or not--sounds high--but we need someone better versed in radio station financials to take a stab at WCRB's fair-market value. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "Jeff Lehmann" ; Cc: "Garrett Wollman" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB >----- Original Message ----- Never one to let an opportunity to plunge a knife into WCRB's back and twist it (the knife, that is), Mr Glavin wrote: One complicating factor in the Greater Media-to-Nassau handoff of 99.5 was GM picking up a Trenton, NJ outlet that is subsequently moved closer to Philadelphia. This may have resulted in Nassau getting FM channel 258 for less of a cash payout than a mere perusal of the books would indicate (I recall that Garrett posted a summary of the transaction that would make Jim Cramer's hair hurt...hair?) About a year before Charles River unloaded WCRB at 102.5, bostonradiowatch.com indicated the station's revenues two-years prior to one-year prior dropped nearly one-million dollars. Someone posting to universalhub.com after the story about Dennis and Callahan broke indicated that Nassau couldn't line up any sponsors for the Concerts at Copley this year, and the concerts at the Hatch Shell (subsequent to the 4TH of July extravaganza) were really under the aegis of the Boston Landmarks Orchestra with WCRB along for the ride. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From songbook2@comcast.net Fri Aug 17 16:13:04 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:13:04 -0700 Subject: Buddy ...I'm b-a-a-ck on talk radio Message-ID: <46C60150.80409@comcast.net> >From Radio Ink: Former Providence, RI, Mayor Vincent "Buddy" Cianci, who served over four years for corruption, is out of jail and returning to radio. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 17 12:48:36 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:48:36 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070817164836.1E4BB1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Bob Nelson" , "Jeff Lehmann" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:34 -0400 >$10 million for 50% of WCRB??? Considering that Entercom only recently >paid $30 million for 100% of what is now WKAF, does that make ANY >sense??? Sure WKAF is in Milton and WCRB is in Andover but 'CRB is a >full B and 'KAF is an A--and, to my ears, not a very potent one. (WFNX >appears to be a better Class A signal for covering the Boston market, >although I have not investigated reception of 'FNX on the South Shore, >where protections to Providence and--I believe--Cape Cod reduce the >signal strength.) Also, what of the rumors that, when all the >machinations between Charles River, Greater Media, and Nassau were >done, 99.5 changed hands for ~$60 mllion, which seemed to make sense >given that the price for 102.5 was reportedly (appropriately enough) >~$102.5 million? >Was $60 million a fiction, or could Nassau's sale of half of 'CRB for >$10 million be termed a distress sale? And if $60 million for 99.5 IS >a fiction, how does one explain $30 mllion for 97.7? I know that the >current financial crisis has negatively affected station sale prices, >but could it have knocked out 2/3 of WCRB's value in less than a year? >Inquiring minds really, REALLY, _REALLY_ want to know! One complicating factor in the Greater Media-to-Nassau handoff of 99.5 was GM picking up a Trenton, NJ outlet that is subsequently moved closer to Philadelphia. This may have resulted in Nassau getting FM channel 258 for less of a cash payout than a mere perusal of the books would indicate (I recall that Garrett posted a summary of the transaction that would make Jim Cramer's hair hurt...hair?) About a year before Charles River unloaded WCRB at 102.5, bostonradiowatch.com indicated the station's revenues two-years prior to one-year prior dropped nearly one-million dollars. Someone posting to universalhub.com after the story about Dennis and Callahan broke indicated that Nassau couldn't line up any sponsors for the Concerts at Copley this year, and the concerts at the Hatch Shell (subsequent to the 4TH of July extravaganza) were really under the aegis of the Boston Landmarks Orchestra with WCRB along for the ride. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 17 12:34:12 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:34:12 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070817163412.AFB42102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Garrett Wollman" >Subject: Re: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:22:35 -0400 >Garrett Wollman wrote: > My dentist would be *devastated*.... > > -GAWollman > > >Whoa. Aren't those guys sad enough already? Bill O'Neill By that I assume you mean dentists are always looking down in the mouth. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 18 00:15:52 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:15:52 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <000001c7e05a$b868c1a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <46C4CCAE.1070907@fybush.com> <000001c7e05a$b868c1a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <2AFD4323935C4D4DAD4E0D4D08E162B7@DanBillingsPC> Replacing national ESPN Radio with WEEI from Boston, which is the likely change on the Maine stations, won't reduce localism. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Scott Fybush'" ; Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: RE: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB > So much for localism!!!!> From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 18 00:21:42 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:21:42 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <20070817142635.944CB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070817142635.944CB83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I would expect that to change when the contracts with the existing stations end. This is all very bad news for J.J. Jeffrey's and his stations in Maine. He carries the Red Sox and has a 3 station sports combo with local hosts in drive time and Sporting News Radio when games are not on. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Jeff Lehmann" ; Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RE: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB > It's said the sports programming on the Nassau stations will start next > month. There won't > be Red Sox or Celtics games (which are apparently on other stations in the > markets, I'd > guess) and "Patriots Monday" also won't be on the new simulcast stations. > From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Aug 17 23:27:41 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:27:41 -0400 Subject: HD Radio In-Reply-To: <46C4A820.8060307@fybush.com> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra><18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <46C4A820.8060307@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1AA6B41EF0074A72957DA1C2E01EF9DA@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: HD Radio > What's more, public radio has a direct connection to its listener base > that most commercial stations don't have, which is a good thing when it > comes to receiver distribution. Really? Doesn't only a small percentage of listeners actually pledge? From radiotest@cox.net Sat Aug 18 07:43:22 2007 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:43:22 -0400 Subject: HD Radio In-Reply-To: <1AA6B41EF0074A72957DA1C2E01EF9DA@DanBillingsPC> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia> <000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <46C4A820.8060307@fybush.com> <1AA6B41EF0074A72957DA1C2E01EF9DA@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070818072433.037fb960@cox.net> At 11:27 PM 8/17/2007, Dan Billings wrote: >Doesn't only a small percentage of listeners actually pledge? True, but those pledges can total a substantial amount. Here in SW VA my local public station, WVTF, gets well over 50% of its funding from pledges. The station holds two fund drives each year, and each lasts about a week before meeting its goal. The bulk of the non-pledge financing comes from the state, as the station is licensed to the Virginia Tech Foundation. Listener financial support extends beyond operating expenses. For several years the station has encouraged listeners to funnel part of their pledges into an endowment in order to further reduce dependence on state and federal financing. WVTF is an expensive station to maintain. In addition to the studios, there are six transmitter sites, a number of repeaters, and three microwave relay sites. The entire operation is of the highest quality. I grew up listening to WGBH, then listened to WFCR for nearly 15 years. I later spent some years listening to North Carolina Public Radio, and have listened to many public radio stations along the eastern US during my travels. In content, presentation and technical quality WVTF compares favorably with, or surpasses, public radio stations in much larger markets. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 18 09:09:08 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:09:08 -0400 Subject: HD Radio In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070818072433.037fb960@cox.net> References: <000c01c7e01e$01584030$6800a8c0@lysthia><000401c7e03a$f29c4100$c7151bac@MasterExtra><18116.42822.385279.173322@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><46C4A820.8060307@fybush.com><1AA6B41EF0074A72957DA1C2E01EF9DA@DanBillingsPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20070818072433.037fb960@cox.net> Message-ID: <3B1A7EAA2D6542198992105F7E1E3D52@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: HD Radio > At 11:27 PM 8/17/2007, Dan Billings wrote: > >>Doesn't only a small percentage of listeners actually pledge? > > True, but those pledges can total a substantial amount. Here in SW VA my > local public station, WVTF, gets well over 50% of its funding from > pledges. I don't dispute that. But I don't think the small number of listeners that pledge equals a "direct connection to its listener base." From danmurph@rcn.com Sat Aug 18 23:51:18 2007 From: danmurph@rcn.com (Dan Murphy) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:51:18 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher on WCRB Message-ID: <001001c7e214$3e25b3b0$709006d1@dpm6yq3wury1mk> Former WRKO news reporter Listo Fisher hosted tonight's BSO broadcast from Tanglewood on WCRB. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 02:37:30 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:37:30 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher on WCRB References: <001001c7e214$3e25b3b0$709006d1@dpm6yq3wury1mk> Message-ID: <005a01c7e22b$6e3b7550$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> Former WRKO news reporter Listo Fisher hosted tonight's BSO broadcast >> from Tanglewood on WCRB. I remember someone mentioning that Listo was on WCRB.... I imagines it was metro traffic/news. I was surprised ot find him hosting segments of music programming....and even more surprised to find him hosting the Tanglewood concert. Could it be he had a knowledge of "serious" music that none of us knew about that made WCRB pick him up so quicly? >From what I understand, listo is Jamaican(?). Could he have been educated in the arts? From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Aug 20 06:34:15 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:34:15 -0300 Subject: Listo Fisher on WCRB References: <001001c7e214$3e25b3b0$709006d1@dpm6yq3wury1mk> <005a01c7e22b$6e3b7550$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <004601c7e315$a8d072c0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "Someone said"... ">From what I understand, listo is Jamaican(?). Could he have been educated > in the arts?" Wow...what can one answer to that? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Murphy" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Dan Strassberg" ; "Laurence Glavin" ; "BRI" Cc: "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: Re: Listo Fisher on WCRB > > > > >> Former WRKO news reporter Listo Fisher hosted tonight's BSO broadcast > >> from Tanglewood on WCRB. > > > I remember someone mentioning that Listo was on WCRB.... I imagines it was > metro traffic/news. > > I was surprised ot find him hosting segments of music programming....and > even more surprised to find him hosting the Tanglewood concert. > > Could it be he had a knowledge of "serious" music that none of us knew about > that made WCRB pick him up so quicly? > > >From what I understand, listo is Jamaican(?). Could he have been educated > in the arts? > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 19 13:29:24 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:29:24 -0500 Subject: Listo Fisher on WCRB In-Reply-To: <005a01c7e22b$6e3b7550$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <001001c7e214$3e25b3b0$709006d1@dpm6yq3wury1mk>, <005a01c7e22b$6e3b7550$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46C837A4.7971.265088@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Aug 2007 at 2:37, Don A wrote: > I remember someone mentioning that Listo was on WCRB.... I imagines > it was metro traffic/news. I mentioned it awhile back. He's been doing regular music programming on WCRB for awhile now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From glickman@MIT.EDU Sun Aug 19 16:24:57 2007 From: glickman@MIT.EDU (Todd Glickman) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:24:57 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Listo is originally from Panama, but grew up in NYC. I was a weather intern at WBZ (TV) in the mid-70s, and after Norm, Bruce, or Don finished doing the weather, I would go down to 'BZ Radio and hang out with him. He was... and still is... a great, talented guy! He even came over to WTBS at MIT and did a "Night Owl" show with me.... talking up records with the best. Before coming to 'BZ, he was at WOWO. -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, E38-400 292 Main Street, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From songbook2@comcast.net Mon Aug 20 02:52:02 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:52:02 -0700 Subject: john mccullen Message-ID: <46C93A12.1000008@comcast.net> Anyone remember what the station was in Boston where John McCullen announced the George Wein's "Jazz At Storyville" remote broadcasts from The Copley Square Hotel? Perhaps it was either the old WMEX 1510AM or WCOP 1150AM, possibly on Saturday nights?. I just heard a track from the 1954 Chet Baker broadcast CD introduced by John McCullen which got me thinking about the station that carried the remote. Thanks for the reply songbook2@comcast.net From songbook2@comcast.net Mon Aug 20 02:56:26 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:56:26 -0700 Subject: Chet Baker remote in 1954 Message-ID: <46C93B1A.5060705@comcast.net> One more thing about the Chet Baker Storyville remote, it was engineered by Jack Towers on March 16 & 23 and October 19, 1954. What radio station did Jack work for? Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 20 08:24:02 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:24:02 -0500 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air Message-ID: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html Portland ME: ESPN sports gets replaced with WEEI on WLAM 1470 and WLVP (the former prog talker) 870. Fybush speculates Sox could move there at end of contract with the big JABbers. Laconia: WEMJ 1490 Upper valley: WTSV 1230 Claremont and WNHV 910 W.R.J. Add Cape Cod's PIXY 103 and you have 6 of the 11 stations, but what about Montpelier, Concord NH, and Augusta ME? By the way, Scott's "1995 in Review", archived online, said that WCRB 102.5 might be changing format-- "in about 97 years" (referring to the trust that was to keep it classical). Little did anyone know that someone would find a loophole that would allow WCRB to keep doing classical, but on a different freq which is why 102.5 is now country. Who's to say that Entercom won't take a bigger chunk of 99.5 ownership, move sports there, and send WCRB to, say, 97.7? For all we know WCRB might be in for just as many frequency changes as WKLB/WCLB has done... From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 20 08:45:31 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:45:31 -0500 Subject: WNSH changes due to female talk exit? Message-ID: <20070820124531.4446383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> 8:40 am--it sounds like WNSH in Beverly is carrying Doug Stephan's Good Day USA show in place of one of the Greenstone Media female talk network shows (network expired on Fri). They will probably go to Laura Ingraham (TalkRadioNetwork) at 9; not sure what they will run between noon and 6 pm (probably sticking with Mike Reagan and Jerry Doyle at night). Apparently the Greenstone media station in Albany (one more station in that mighty 8 station Greenstone Network) has gone back to ESPN. Not sure what WTWK in Plattsburgh NY (once home to Franken & friends) will do. Yup. It is Stephan (he just ID-ed himself). Wasn't he part of the old talk lineup at WMRE 1510 at one point? Or WEEI 590? From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Aug 20 10:01:58 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:01:58 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air References: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003101c7e332$ad31f1f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I think that would be a shame. I was traveling up through mid-state N.H. the other day and WCRB came in almost as far as Lebanon! That's an advantage 102.5 sure didn't have. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html > > Portland ME: ESPN sports gets replaced with WEEI on WLAM 1470 and WLVP (the former prog talker) 870. > Fybush speculates Sox could move there at end of contract with the big JABbers. > > Laconia: WEMJ 1490 > > Upper valley: WTSV 1230 Claremont and WNHV 910 W.R.J. > > Add Cape Cod's PIXY 103 and you have 6 of the 11 stations, but what about Montpelier, > Concord NH, and Augusta ME? > > By the way, Scott's "1995 in Review", archived online, said that WCRB 102.5 might be > changing format-- "in about 97 years" (referring to the trust that was to keep > it classical). Little did anyone know that someone would find a loophole that > would allow WCRB to keep doing classical, but on a different freq which is why > 102.5 is now country. < 99.5 ownership, move sports there, and send WCRB to, say, 97.7? For all we know > WCRB might be in for just as many frequency changes as WKLB/WCLB has done... > From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 20 09:16:57 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:16:57 -0500 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air Message-ID: <20070820131657.7FD4D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Doug wrote: >>I think that would be a shame. I was traveling up through mid-state N.H. the other day and WCRB came in almost as far as Lebanon! That's an advantage 102.5 sure didn't have. Yes, true. By the way classical music seems to be heard on a few 99.5s in Northern New England. There's a public radio station at 99.5 in Jackson NH (WEVJ) and Vermont Public Radio's classical network has 99.5s in Middlebury and Newbury, VT. If the Red Sox aired on 99.5 (somehow) it would work out fine for my workplace (postal service in N. Reading); since 99.5's stick is in nearby Andover it's one of the strongest stations we can pick up. Imagine a blend of classical and sports: during a Red Sox game, when Big Papi hits a game winning HR they could play the Hallelujah Chorus! :) Trivia: for about 10 years, with the Royals and Braves, there was a player named...Keith Lockhart! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html > > Portland ME: ESPN sports gets replaced with WEEI on WLAM 1470 and WLVP (the former prog talker) 870. > Fybush speculates Sox could move there at end of contract with the big JABbers. > > Laconia: WEMJ 1490 > > Upper valley: WTSV 1230 Claremont and WNHV 910 W.R.J. > > Add Cape Cod's PIXY 103 and you have 6 of the 11 stations, but what about Montpelier, > Concord NH, and Augusta ME? > > By the way, Scott's "1995 in Review", archived online, said that WCRB 102.5 might be > changing format-- "in about 97 years" (referring to the trust that was to keep > it classical). Little did anyone know that someone would find a loophole that > would allow WCRB to keep doing classical, but on a different freq which is why > 102.5 is now country. < chunk of > 99.5 ownership, move sports there, and send WCRB to, say, 97.7? For all we know > WCRB might be in for just as many frequency changes as WKLB/WCLB has done... > From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Mon Aug 20 07:17:25 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:17:25 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher References: Message-ID: <001201c7e31b$b02c1690$633f434b@DG07P241> And wasn't the talented Listo host of the excellent jazz show - "The Real Quiet Storm" evenings at 6 on WUMB before they went all folk? Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Glickman" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Listo Fisher > Listo is originally from Panama, but grew up in NYC. > > I was a weather intern at WBZ (TV) in the mid-70s, and after Norm, > Bruce, or Don finished doing the weather, I would go down to 'BZ > Radio and hang out with him. He was... and still is... a great, > talented guy! He even came over to WTBS at MIT and did a "Night Owl" > show with me.... talking up records with the best. Before coming to > 'BZ, he was at WOWO. > > > -- > Todd Glickman > Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations > Massachusetts Institute of Technology, E38-400 > 292 Main Street, 4th Floor > Cambridge, MA 02139 > Email: glickman@mit.edu > Phone: (617) 452-2457 > > Certified Broadcast Meteorologist > WCBS Newsradio-880 > New York City, NY > Email: radio88@radio88.net > From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 15:21:19 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Listo Fisher Message-ID: <7479630.1187637679920.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Paul B Currier" > To: , > "Todd Glickman" > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:17:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: Listo Fisher > > And wasn't the talented Listo host of the excellent > jazz show - "The Real Quiet Storm" evenings at 6 on > WUMB before they went all folk? I don't recall Fisher ever hosting that show on WUMB. The longtime former host of "Quiet Storm" on WUMB was Ken Yarbrough, who has more recently been active in Boston politics as a legislative writer for the city and the chief information officer for city councilor Charles Yancey, among other jobs and positions. When Yarbrough and "Quiet Storm" were let go, it not only consolidated the folk format, it also eliminated a DJ salary. Ken was not replaced by anyone. The folk format now goes live until 7 PM weeknights (midnight with specialty shows on Saturday nights only), after which the automation system takes it with syndicated folk and roots music programming mainly from NPR and PRI, and other recorded archival or special programs. EP From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 16:02:23 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Listo Fisher In-Reply-To: <7479630.1187637679920.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <578455.10441.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Listo did not do "The Quiet Storm" on WUMB. But, it was Maurice Lewis, former WBZ-TV weekend anchor who did the show back in the late 80's. --- Eli Polonsky wrote: > > > From: "Paul B Currier" > > > To: > , > > "Todd Glickman" > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:17:25 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Listo Fisher > > > > And wasn't the talented Listo host of the > excellent > > jazz show - "The Real Quiet Storm" evenings at 6 > on > > WUMB before they went all folk? > > I don't recall Fisher ever hosting that show on > WUMB. > The longtime former host of "Quiet Storm" on WUMB > was > Ken Yarbrough, who has more recently been active in > Boston politics as a legislative writer for the city > and the chief information officer for city councilor > > Charles Yancey, among other jobs and positions. > > When Yarbrough and "Quiet Storm" were let go, it not > > only consolidated the folk format, it also > eliminated > a DJ salary. Ken was not replaced by anyone. The > folk > format now goes live until 7 PM weeknights (midnight > with specialty shows on Saturday nights only), after > which the automation system takes it with syndicated > folk and roots music programming mainly from NPR and > > PRI, and other recorded archival or special > programs. > > EP > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 16:12:10 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher References: <578455.10441.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014801c7e366$bb0e89d0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > Listo did not do "The Quiet Storm" on WUMB. But, it > was Maurice Lewis, former WBZ-TV weekend anchor who > did the show back in the late 80's. Now that you mention it...;whatever happenned to Maurice Lewis? I remember him as a pretty good anchor at Ch 4 back in the mid-late 70's. I also remember him anchoring radio newscasts on WBZ-FM (when they used to simulcast the AM newws on FM.) I heard him one Sunday morning hosting a public affairs show on WBCN. So I assume he is still around the area...but never regained the stature he had as a tv anchor. From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 20 16:24:01 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:24:01 -0400 Subject: Listo Fisher In-Reply-To: <014801c7e366$bb0e89d0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <578455.10441.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <014801c7e366$bb0e89d0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46C9F861.8020906@billoneill.us> Don A wrote: > Now that you mention it...;whatever happenned to Maurice Lewis? > > I remember him as a pretty good anchor at Ch 4 back in the mid-late 70's. Lewis was one I'd not thought of in awhile. He was a great reporter. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Aug 20 16:34:16 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:34:16 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air In-Reply-To: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: J.J. will still have the advantage of being on FM, at least for part of the Portland market. He also has an established local morning show and recently added a local afternoon drive show. If he loses the Sox that will be a big loss. Maybe he would be able to pick up the SeaDogs if he loses the Sox. If JJ put the dogs on his JAB stations and 96.3 WLOB, as he does now with the Sox, that would be a big upgrade over the current SeaDogs coverage in Greater Portland and western Maine. I think J.J. should dump Sporting News Radio and replace it with ESPN when the WEEI network hits the air. ESPN's talk programming is greatly superior to Sporting News, IMO. From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Aug 20 20:06:01 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:06:01 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air In-Reply-To: References: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Sporting News Radio has been on life support for awhile now. They've shed a lot of salary since Paul Allen sold them off. They've even shuttered their Chicago studios and are renting studio space in LA somewhere. You have to wonder how much longer they can survive being the #3 sports radio network. It's also possible that the Nassau sports stations may keep their ESPN affiliations, at least for the short term. They will need to air something during Red Sox, Celtics and Patriots Monday coverage. I don't know who holds the Fox Sports affiliation in Portland (WZAN?) so they may not be able to use FSR the way WEEI does on overnights and fringe shifts. JJ could make a run at ESPN if he's willing to clear more hours per week than the Nassau stations once they switch to WEEI. I'm sure the Worldwide Leader would want him to clear Mike and Mike though, which he may not be willing to do if he's currently live in that daypart. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. The other thing to keep in mind is there are several Nassau stations not yet identified which will carry WEEI. Manchester/Concord is one region yet to be named but it's possible that one or two of the FM's in the current W-Bach quadcast could be involved. The two AM's would not have much of a range at night. Adding an FM or two to the mix could make things difficult for the Jeffery stations... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 20, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > J.J. will still have the advantage of being on FM, at least for part > of the Portland market. He also has an established local morning show > and recently added a local afternoon drive show. If he loses the Sox > that will be a big loss. Maybe he would be able to pick up the > SeaDogs if he loses the Sox. If JJ put the dogs on his JAB stations > and 96.3 WLOB, as he does now with the Sox, that would be a big > upgrade over the current SeaDogs coverage in Greater Portland and > western Maine. > > I think J.J. should dump Sporting News Radio and replace it with ESPN > when the WEEI network hits the air. ESPN's talk programming is > greatly superior to Sporting News, IMO. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Aug 20 20:36:20 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:36:20 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air In-Reply-To: References: <20070820122403.3A2A383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3D1AE0B944E74E28AD0E3E767816E8CF@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Bob Nelson" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Fybush: Where WEEI simulcasts will air > I don't know who holds the Fox Sports affiliation in Portland (WZAN?) so > they may not be able to use FSR the way WEEI does on overnights and fringe > shifts. WZAN runs FSR all the time on the weekends. JJ could offer more time. JJ does run Jim Rome from Noon to 3 each day. So Sporting News is limited to nights, weekends, overnights, 10 to Noon, and 3 to 4. >JJ could make a run at ESPN if he's willing to clear more hours per week >than the Nassau stations once they switch to WEEI. I'm sure the Worldwide >Leader would want him to clear Mike and Mike though, which he may not be >willing to do if he's currently live in that daypart. It will be >interesting to see how it all pans out. JJ could offer more time than the Nassau stations in Maine, but I don't think JJ would have any interest in dumping his local morning show. He expanded by an hour within the last year, plus added a two hour afteroon show. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 21 01:10:15 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:10:15 -0400 Subject: Testing new server Message-ID: <18122.29623.241423.460206@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> This is the first message sent to the list after migrating the mail system over to my new server. Please do not reply. -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Mon Aug 20 20:20:54 2007 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:20:54 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye Message-ID: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> I'm curious how the distant districts in the proposed WEEI regional footprint will actually "take" to a decidedly Boston show? I suppose you could look at how Howie did (or didn't) but sports is a more universal subject than the Brothers Bolger. Burlington, Vermont has a very strong local sports interest, e.g., Catamounts, high school, Lake Monsters. There is, decidely, a Red Sox lean with the occasional Yankees infiltrate [cough]. I am sensing that "New England regionalization" will be the next big flavor or "solution" to what ails New England radio. Call me skeptical. Coming from the Lowell area where you need a passport to go from the Highlands over to Pawtucketville and a going away party to move to Dracut (really) I just not so sure. Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 21 01:24:36 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:24:36 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <18122.30484.968710.516108@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Burlington, Vermont has a very strong local sports interest, e.g., > Catamounts, high school, Lake Monsters. There is, decidely, a Red Sox > lean with the occasional Yankees infiltrate [cough]. But note, by contrast, that Burlington's pro football and hockey allegiances are nowhere near as simple. When I was growing up, the "home-town" hockey team was located ninety minutes to the north, not five hours to the southeast, and the TV network situation, with NBC being on the Plattsburgh station, meant that we saw Jets games and not Patriots games. I recall football allegiances being evenly split between the Jets and the Giants, with Patriots fans being a decided minority. Among the hockey fans there were some Bruins followers, but unless you had cable and the expensive sports package you never saw Bruins games on TV. (Of course in college football I doubt many Vermonters care about the B.C. Eagles. In college hockey, of course, there is a local team -- and again, I doubt the Beanpot holds much interest in Burlington, unless things have changed markedly in the past fourteen years.) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 21 03:37:37 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:37:37 -0500 Subject: WNSH changes due to female talk exit? Message-ID: <20070821073737.8A7F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Apparently WNSH does have Good Day USA with Doug Stephan till 9 am now, followed by Laura Ingraham, and the afternoon lineup comes via WOR, I believe: Dr. Joy Browne from noon to 4 pm followed by Ellis Hennican and Lynne White. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 10:29:07 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <800088.14022.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > I am sensing that "New England regionalization" will be the next big > flavor or "solution" to what ails New England radio. Call me > skeptical. Coming from the Lowell area where you need a passport to > go > from the Highlands over to Pawtucketville and a going away party to > move > to Dracut (really) I just not so sure. This is driven by the Sox (and much lesser extent, the Celtics) radio rights. No more, no less. When these contracts with affiliates expire, the Nassau stations will pick up the Sox and Celtics -- and I'm presuming that WEEI finagles a cut of the ad revenues from these stations. There are other examples of regionalized sports networks out there. Several in the south, and ESPN Florida (which is on a bunch of rim-shotters near Florida cities) is one of them. (Terry Bowden hosts the PM drive show.) Seeing as the WEEI local shows will focus on the Sox and Patriots, commonalities that bond all New Englanders except most of Fairfield County, they'll do OK. ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 12:36:37 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Listo Fisher Message-ID: <23483124.1187714197470.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Lewis hosted "Quiet Storm" in the mid/late 1980's. Ken Yarbrough hosted it through the 1990's, which included the station changing the name of it from "Quiet Storm" to "Roots Radio" and then to "Urban Folk", until the show was replaced with syndicated NPR/PRI folk-based music programming about six or seven years ago. EP > > From: "Peter Q. George" > CC: Paul B Currier > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Listo Fisher > > Listo did not do "The Quiet Storm"... But, it > was Maurice Lewis, former WBZ-TV weekend anchor > who did the show back in the late 80's. > From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Aug 21 14:49:31 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:49:31 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr vs. WRKO Message-ID: <46CAED6B.28749.D2BB4@Joe.attorneyross.com> Article from Mass. Lawyers Weekly on the litigation. http://tinyurl.com/3y7tqk -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From mike@miscon.net Tue Aug 21 13:54:58 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:54:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.124.1187718898.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> > Scott Fybush wrote: >? > I would also imagine, though, that there'd be cause for one of the > noncomms to take up the slack. It's not at all impossible to imagine > WGBH mustering the resources to buy a smaller commercial signal...? Hmmm... why would WGBH do that? Surely the classical music community would just migrate to WGBH right where it is, should the classical?format disappear from the standard commerical bands. They're not ignorant (and probably already aware) of WGBH, and are fully capable of changing their radio dial. WGBH - I'm thinking - could care less about commerical competition?(as in, how things are working now). While the current WBOS/WGBH (via WCAI) news partnership is based on some radio community friensdships, I do not detect a desire by WGBH to expand into the commerical realm - but I could be wrong.? I guess what I'm asking is, what would WGBH actually gain by venturing in the FM commerical realm? Mike From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Aug 21 13:26:03 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:26:03 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:21 PM > To: boston Radio Interest > Subject: Wee Eye > > I'm curious how the distant districts in the proposed WEEI > regional footprint will actually "take" to a decidedly Boston > show? I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be airing the same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a mechanism to insert local spots? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 21 15:50:27 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:50:27 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB Message-ID: <20070821195027.566D71BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: mike@miscon.net >To: "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:54:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > Scott Fybush wrote: ? I would also imagine, though, that there'd be cause for one of the > noncomms to take up the slack. It's not at all impossible to imagine > WGBH mustering the resources to buy a smaller commercial signal...? >Hmmm... why would WGBH do that? Surely the classical music >community would just migrate to WGBH right where it is, should the >classical?format disappear from the standard commerical bands. >They're not ignorant (and probably already aware) of WGBH, and are fully >capable of changing their radio dial. WGBH - I'm thinking - could care >less about commerical competition?(as in, how things are working >now). While the current WBOS/WGBH (via WCAI) news partnership is based on >some radio community friensdships, I do not detect a desire by WGBH to >expand into the commerical realm - but I could be wrong.? >I guess what I'm asking is, what would WGBH actually gain by venturing >in the FM commerical realm? >Mike A commercia/non-commercial mix already operates in Chicago and Seattle (WFMT and KING-FM respectively) although neither resulted from a purchase of a commercial FM. Recently, WMHT-FM, a non-comm at 89.1 in the Albany, NY market bought an outlet that had been commercial until the purchase, and first ran it as a training-wheels classical (I guess its listeners would eventually graduate to the Mother Ship) but eventually flipped it to a different format. The radio station market right now is in a state of flux (a commentator at radio-info.com suggests valuations are declining and some groups might be very interested in divesting some of their stations) but I can't imagine the big 4 operators of full-power FM's in Boston (Entercomm, CCU, Greater Media and CBS) putting a "For Sale" sign on any of their properties. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From scott@fybush.com Tue Aug 21 16:06:54 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:06:54 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.124.1187718898.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> <.132.185.144.124.1187718898.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> mike@miscon.net wrote: > >> Scott Fybush wrote: >> >> I would also imagine, > though, that there'd be cause for one of the >> noncomms to take > up the slack. It's not at all impossible to imagine >> WGBH > mustering the resources to buy a smaller commercial signal... > > Hmmm... why would WGBH do that? Surely the classical music > community would just migrate to WGBH right where it is, should the > classical format disappear from the standard commerical bands. > They're not ignorant (and probably already aware) of WGBH, and are fully > capable of changing their radio dial. WGBH - I'm thinking - could care > less about commerical competition (as in, how things are working > now). While the current WBOS/WGBH (via WCAI) news partnership is based on > some radio community friensdships, I do not detect a desire by WGBH to > expand into the commerical realm - but I could be wrong. > > I guess what I'm asking is, what would WGBH actually gain by venturing > in the FM commerical realm? I didn't mean that WGBH would run a commercial classical station! I meant that *if* WCRB as we know it were to go away, I can imagine WGBH purchasing what's now a commercial signal in order to turn it noncommercial as an all-classical outlet. I don't see WGBH adding any additional classical programming to the existing 89.7 lineup - they do too well with Morning Edition, ATC and especially The World, and the jazz fans would be up in arms over losing the evening hours. They'd need a second signal to go all-classical, and that would have to come from the commercial side of the dial. It's not hard at all to imagine a scenario in which Entercom puts WEEI programming on 99.5, then tries to save face with classical fans by donating another signal (97.7?) to WGBH to become an all-classical noncommercial outlet. Entercom would get a nice tax writeoff, and pretty much everyone (except WAAF fans in Boston proper and classical fans beyond the reach of 97.7) would go home happy-ish. s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 21 15:09:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:09:33 -0500 Subject: Wee Eye Message-ID: <20070821190933.2283A49B727@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >>I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be airing the same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a mechanism to insert local spots? Oh, they must; I think WEEI-FM down in Westerly runs their own ads... From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 21 14:46:15 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:46:15 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <18122.30484.968710.516108@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> <18122.30484.968710.516108@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <46CB32F7.2070106@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > (Of course in college football I doubt many Vermonters care about the > B.C. Eagles. In college hockey, of course, there is a local team -- > and again, I doubt the Beanpot holds much interest in Burlington, > unless things have changed markedly in the past fourteen years.) > > Agreed. At least in the last seven years I've been here, there are more Giants and Jets fans than I would have expected. And Montreal is the default pro team. I will say that pro teams, as a whole do hold less value here, as Vermont is akin to a very large small town, culturally. However. Here, west of the Greens, where there is more of a New York influence (even in the accent) whereas east of the Greens, Upper Valley, Brattleboro, is decidedly more of a Boston pro sports area. The Red Sox do dominate statewide. No matter how hard Entercom spins it, the product will be a Boston radio station rebroadcast in very different territory. I wish them well. As I have posted before, with regard to Howie Carr when he was over on WVMT (620 Burlington), I can't imagine that there were many Vermonters interested in The Brothers Bolger book signings in Swampscott. And the Inside 128 winks-n-nods were not received. And if they were, they served more to reinforce unfortunate stereotypes. It will be great for this Town-a-Dracut kid, but I am not so sure about many others. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Aug 21 16:24:48 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:24:48 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> <".132.185.144.124.1187718898.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net> <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7e431$538453a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Fybush > > I didn't mean that WGBH would run a commercial classical station! > > I meant that *if* WCRB as we know it were to go away, I can > imagine WGBH purchasing what's now a commercial signal in > order to turn it noncommercial as an all-classical outlet. > > I don't see WGBH adding any additional classical programming > to the existing 89.7 lineup - they do too well with Morning > Edition, ATC and especially The World, and the jazz fans > would be up in arms over losing the evening hours. They'd > need a second signal to go all-classical, and that would have > to come from the commercial side of the dial. WGBH-HD2 currently runs an all classical service. If they obtained a second signal they could possibly run that same service there. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Aug 21 16:12:48 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:12:48 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: The WEEI repeater stations Entercom owns in Worcester, Providence and Springfield do air their own spots. Often the local breaks aren't as long as Boston's so the tail end of the Boston stopsets do air regionally. I would expect that the new stations will have automation set up to do the same thing. The execution is often very sloppy on air. WVEI/Worcester will often dump back into the Boston feed mid-spot, and top of hour ID's also sound choppy. Someone who knows how to do production for automation should redo the imaging and the spots so that local breaks sound more seamless. But, that may be too much to ask nowadays... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 21, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be airing > the > same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a mechanism > to > insert local spots? From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Aug 21 16:29:09 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:29:09 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46C51397.10307@fybush.com> <.132.185.144.124.1187718898.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <54899a4f898d66e2bfb7f67486897033@charter.net> Entercom just bought 97.7 from Radio One not that long ago. Why would they want to donate it now? 97.7 will stay as is until the market switches over to the Arbitron PPM. So far rock stations have faired well in PPM markets, so Entercom will want to see if the WAAF simulcast gets a ratings boost with the new methodology. Then the question becomes, what do you do with 850 once WEEI moves to 99.5? Classical is really not an option and simulcasting the FM doesn't make sense either. Maybe Entercom gets the ESPN affiliation away from J-Sports, who reportedly has 890 on the sales block. It could become ESPN 850 or WEEI-2 and carry overflow sports play by play and BC Athletics, and run ESPN Radio the rest of the time. It would also bring the ESPN play-by-play rights (NFL, MLB, NBA) back to Entercom and could lock up the sports franchise in Boston. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 21, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > It's not hard at all to imagine a scenario in which Entercom puts WEEI > programming on 99.5, then tries to save face with classical fans by > donating another signal (97.7?) to WGBH to become an all-classical > noncommercial outlet. Entercom would get a nice tax writeoff, and > pretty much everyone (except WAAF fans in Boston proper and classical > fans beyond the reach of 97.7) would go home happy-ish. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Aug 21 15:47:07 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:47:07 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070821154452.02719670@BelloAssoc.com> At 01:26 PM 8/21/2007, Larry Weil wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:21 PM > > To: boston Radio Interest > > Subject: Wee Eye > > > > I'm curious how the distant districts in the proposed WEEI > > regional footprint will actually "take" to a decidedly Boston > > show? > >I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be airing the >same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a mechanism to >insert local spots? > > >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH WEEI-FM and WVEI have lots of local commercials From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 21 18:16:51 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:16:51 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net><001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <7.0.1.0.2.20070821154452.02719670@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7e440$fd5ba4f0$62a54c0c@SatU205S5044> What about WCRN both in the Red Sox feeds they are getting free from Entercom and at other times (including the Howie feed, which I believe WCRN pays for)? I don't listen to WCRN that much, but my impression is that most of the local commercials were from mortgage companies. I don't know how many of those companies are now bankrupt or close to it, but it seems as though much of the (so-so) business that WCRN had been doing must be at risk. If by WVEI, you mean AM 1440 in Worcester and not FM 105.? in the Springfield area (Westfield?), why can such a poor high-on-the-dial AM signal do well, when a huge 50-kW signal with an excellent dial position in the same CoL can't seem to do much more than just get by? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Larry Weil" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; "'boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Wee Eye > At 01:26 PM 8/21/2007, Larry Weil wrote: > > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] >> > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill >> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:21 PM >> > To: boston Radio Interest >> > Subject: Wee Eye >> > >> > I'm curious how the distant districts in the proposed WEEI >> > regional footprint will actually "take" to a decidedly Boston >> > show? >> >>I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be >>airing the >>same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a >>mechanism to >>insert local spots? >> >> >>Larry Weil >>Lake Wobegone, NH > > > WEEI-FM and WVEI have lots of local commercials From paul@derrynh.net Tue Aug 21 19:30:19 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:30:19 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <001201c7e418$612fa950$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <00bf01c7e44b$3d6492f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> WEEI does that NOW with its 4 stattions, they all air their own set of local ads....Much of what is on 850 is NOT on 103.7, for example... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:26 PM To: 'Bill O'Neill'; 'boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: Wee Eye > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:21 PM > To: boston Radio Interest > Subject: Wee Eye > > I'm curious how the distant districts in the proposed WEEI > regional footprint will actually "take" to a decidedly Boston > show? I'm wondering if all those distant from Boston stations will be airing the same commercials as are aired in Boston, or will they have a mechanism to insert local spots? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Aug 21 23:02:41 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:02:41 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> References: <46CA2FE6.3030809@shoreham.net> Message-ID: In Maine, WEEI will replace national programming from ESPN so that will be a major improvement. The Pats and Sox are of much more interest to the average Maine sports fan than college foorball, which will be getting major coverage on ESPN in the next few weeks. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Aug 22 01:25:54 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:25:54 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <46CB81AC.7043.936110@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com>, <54899a4f898d66e2bfb7f67486897033@charter.net> <46CB81AC.7043.936110@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: PPM stands for Personal People Meter, developed by Arbitron and currently testing in Philadelphia and Houston. It's a system that electronically records radio listening. It will eventually replace the diary method of collecting ratings data in the top 50 markets. Boston is set to come on line with it sometime next year. The PPM looks like a small beeper that is worn on a belt or clipped onto a purse. You take it wherever you go, and it records every radio station you're exposed to, like in businesses, riding in cars, work, commuting, home listening etc. At the end of each day, the respondent docks the PPM at home where it recharges and Arbitron downloads that day's data via internet or phone hookup. PPM respondents will carry it for a year or more. Radio signals in these markets are embedded with code that the PPM can receive. This can also include non-comms, satellite radio channels or even internet streams. Similar technology being used in Europe can also measure TV exposure, but for now PPM is only being used for radio in the US. So far the results have been erratic and samples of certain demographics are underrepresented, such as 18-34's and minority listeners. Once the bugs are worked out, it should be much more accurate and reliable than diaries for measuring radio listening. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:22 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 21 Aug 2007 at 16:29, David Tomm wrote: > >> Entercom just bought 97.7 from Radio One not that long ago. Why >> would they want to donate it now? 97.7 will stay as is until the >> market switches over to the Arbitron PPM. So far rock stations have >> faired well in PPM markets, so Entercom will want to see if the WAAF >> simulcast gets a ratings boost with the new methodology. > > What's the Arbitron PPM? From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 22 01:22:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:22:03 -0500 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: <54899a4f898d66e2bfb7f67486897033@charter.net> References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com>, <54899a4f898d66e2bfb7f67486897033@charter.net> Message-ID: <46CB81AC.7043.936110@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Aug 2007 at 16:29, David Tomm wrote: > Entercom just bought 97.7 from Radio One not that long ago. Why > would they want to donate it now? 97.7 will stay as is until the > market switches over to the Arbitron PPM. So far rock stations have > faired well in PPM markets, so Entercom will want to see if the WAAF > simulcast gets a ratings boost with the new methodology. What's the Arbitron PPM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 22 03:00:44 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:00:44 -0400 Subject: john mccullen In-Reply-To: <46C93A12.1000008@comcast.net> References: <46C93A12.1000008@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070822070101.925B71B9E29@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 02:52 AM 8/20/2007, Russ Butler wrote: >Anyone remember what the station was in Boston where John McCullen >announced the George Wein's "Jazz At Storyville" remote broadcasts >from The Copley Square Hotel? Perhaps it was either the old WMEX >1510AM or WCOP 1150AM, possibly on Saturday nights?. I finally found some of my old files on the early 50s, and Jazz at Storyville was on WMEX at 11pm back then (1951-2). Nat Hentoff also recalled doing some of the announcing for the show. As I recall, it switched over to WCOP for a while around 1954 or so. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 22 10:29:48 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:29:48 -0500 Subject: Wee Eye Message-ID: <20070822142948.B738849B6C5@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >>In Maine, WEEI will replace national programming from ESPN so that will be a major improvement. The Pats and Sox are of much more interest to the average Maine sports fan than college foorball, which will be getting major coverage on ESPN in the next few weeks. True, though I do like the fact that ESPN can provide play by play of baseball playoffs. What I'm wondering is, suppose you're in the Portland area and the Big Jab stations have the rights to the Sox... the Sox make the playoffs (if the season were to end today, their first round opponents would be the Seattle Mariners who currently lead the wild card). Yes, you'd get Sox playoff coverage via the Sox network (Sox-Mariners), but would the new Nassau stations that pick up WEEI be able to carry the games as well via ESPN? I don't know if these stations which are now affiliated with ESPN would be ditching it totally--they may keep it for those times when WEEI is carrying Sox or Celts, for example...and that affiliation might come in handy for ESPN coverage of various games. Might ESPN offer affiliation to stations who would only pick up games and not the talk shows? From paul@derrynh.net Wed Aug 22 10:45:48 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:45:48 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <20070822142948.B738849B6C5@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> I thought that as long as they're a certain distance from the Ball Park, they can carry the ESPN feed... WTSN carries the (hated) NY Yankees games, even when they're playing the (beloved) Red Sox... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:30 AM To: Dan Billings; Bill O'Neill; boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Wee Eye >>In Maine, WEEI will replace national programming from ESPN so that will be a major improvement. The Pats and Sox are of much more interest to the average Maine sports fan than college foorball, which will be getting major coverage on ESPN in the next few weeks. True, though I do like the fact that ESPN can provide play by play of baseball playoffs. What I'm wondering is, suppose you're in the Portland area and the Big Jab stations have the rights to the Sox... the Sox make the playoffs (if the season were to end today, their first round opponents would be the Seattle Mariners who currently lead the wild card). Yes, you'd get Sox playoff coverage via the Sox network (Sox-Mariners), but would the new Nassau stations that pick up WEEI be able to carry the games as well via ESPN? I don't know if these stations which are now affiliated with ESPN would be ditching it totally--they may keep it for those times when WEEI is carrying Sox or Celts, for example...and that affiliation might come in handy for ESPN coverage of various games. Might ESPN offer affiliation to stations who would only pick up games and not the talk shows? From francini@mac.com Wed Aug 22 10:51:58 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:51:58 -0400 Subject: It's not WEEI vs. WCRB - it's WEEI *and* WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <658126.69503.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46CB45DE.3030704@fybush.com> <54899a4f898d66e2bfb7f67486897033@charter.net> <46CB81AC.7043.936110@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <9664850F-B938-4F79-99E4-46943966EDB6@mac.com> Hmmm. I would have thought that it would be based on something like picking up the IF frequency of the radio or something unobtrusive like that. So instead they encode something into the AUDIO????? Just what we need -- more hash on analog radio --especially AM -- to go along with the IBOC hash... John On 22 Aug 2007, at 1:25, David Tomm wrote: > PPM stands for Personal People Meter, developed by Arbitron and > currently testing in Philadelphia and Houston. It's a system that > electronically records radio listening. It will eventually replace > the diary method of collecting ratings data in the top 50 markets. > Boston is set to come on line with it sometime next year. > > The PPM looks like a small beeper that is worn on a belt or clipped > onto a purse. You take it wherever you go, and it records every > radio station you're exposed to, like in businesses, riding in > cars, work, commuting, home listening etc. At the end of each day, > the respondent docks the PPM at home where it recharges and > Arbitron downloads that day's data via internet or phone hookup. > PPM respondents will carry it for a year or more. > > Radio signals in these markets are embedded with code that the PPM > can receive. This can also include non-comms, satellite radio > channels or even internet streams. Similar technology being used > in Europe can also measure TV exposure, but for now PPM is only > being used for radio in the US. > > So far the results have been erratic and samples of certain > demographics are underrepresented, such as 18-34's and minority > listeners. Once the bugs are worked out, it should be much more > accurate and reliable than diaries for measuring radio listening. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:22 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 21 Aug 2007 at 16:29, David Tomm wrote: >> >>> Entercom just bought 97.7 from Radio One not that long ago. Why >>> would they want to donate it now? 97.7 will stay as is until the >>> market switches over to the Arbitron PPM. So far rock stations have >>> faired well in PPM markets, so Entercom will want to see if the WAAF >>> simulcast gets a ratings boost with the new methodology. >> >> What's the Arbitron PPM? > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 11:50:48 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I thought that as long as they're a certain distance from the Ball > Park, > they can carry the ESPN feed... > > WTSN carries the (hated) NY Yankees games, even when they're playing > the > (beloved) Red Sox... I think even those rules have gone out the window for MLB. ESPN 1050 carries Yankees and Mets games when they're the national games of week. Of course, 1490 in Greenwich, Conn., has carried the Sox for a number of years now -- and it's very audible in the Bronx and lower Westchester. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Aug 22 11:44:49 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:44:49 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye References: <20070822142948.B738849B6C5@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000801c7e4d3$6219aa30$0401a8c0@Family> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" True, though I do like the fact that ESPN can provide play by play of baseball playoffs. What I'm wondering is, suppose you're in the Portland area and the Big Jab stations have the rights to the Sox... the Sox make the playoffs (if the season were to end today, their first round opponents would be the Seattle Mariners who currently lead the wild card). Yes, you'd get Sox playoff coverage via the Sox network (Sox-Mariners), but would the new Nassau stations that pick up WEEI be able to carry the games as well via ESPN? << kind of works that way now with Patriots Football - network coverage via WestwoodOne and Patriots Rock Radio Network Coverage via 'BCN. WW1 stuff airs on 970 WZAN and Gil &Gino are aired on WBLM. granted, WW1 doesn't carry every Pats game, but WZAN does make a big deal of it when it does. additionallly - the nat'l network trumps the local network when it comes to playoffs and "the big game" (as we're not supposed to mention how super the bowl might be...) most times, folks enjoy the hometown flavah over the network. and the network announcers have to be more "balanced" in their descriptions - so that whole "favoring" the "otherteam" thing is less desirable to listen to as opposed to the fair and totally unbiased calls of the hometown crew. but, if the National Network (ESPN, WW1, whoever...) has the exclusive rights - then the championship games/series are the exclusive domain and aired only on that affiliate. it's a bonus for the other "little guy" who nabs the network version and the local team is involved in the big finale. - -Chuck Igo From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 24 13:47:20 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:47:20 -0500 Subject: Boston Phoenix talk radio...? Message-ID: <20070824174720.F331683BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I have mentioned this in passing before but it may be worth a try...It has been 246 days approximately since prog. talk went off air in Boston and who knows if it would succeed if given a second try (it's going off apparently in San Diego, now as well). But I wonder if Stephen Mindich of the Boston Phoenix/WFNX, if given the opportunity to buy a station (most likely AM) would consider doing what would basically be Boston Phoenix Talkradio? 1) The political content could be like the first section of the paper--left-leaning (I am mostly right-leaning, but will admit they do cover local and national politics from their own perspective). Don't Quote Me! 2) Mostly local shows during the day and they could sprinkle some national content like Stephanie Miller, Ed Schulz, Thom Hartmann, etc. 3) For night shows, etc., talk with local musicians/comedians/artists. Tai did some stuff like that on his WRKO night show and even Todd Feinburg's Taste of Boston Tonight tried it. Who knows. Have some "Boston After Dark" moments in there, too (does WFNX still run those?) 4) Sell advertising. Agressively. See all the ads in the paper? Get them to buy time on the radio, too. 5) Promote the station in the paper, etc. I'm sure the thought may have crossed Mindich's mind at one point but you wonder. Whether or not it would be a success is unknown but for those complaining about the lack of prog. talk in Boston, you have that long-running paper...already into the radio business for a couple decades...sitting right here, and the possibility exists. (By the way, I wonder if prog. talk is handicapped by the fact that many young people, who tend to be liberal, might be more interested in music stations/mp3 players? That could be one reason the format is suffering. Or do they prefer to get their political content from The Daily Show, Rolling Stone, the Net, the Phoenix paper, etc.? From radio88@radio88.net Fri Aug 24 20:44:43 2007 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:44:43 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just down I-95... this coming Tuesday, August 28th is WCBS Newsradio 88(0)'s 40th Anniversary. Current and past staffers will be attending an open house, and there will be many on-air tributes. My colleague, anchor-extraordinaire Wayne Cabot, put together a "megamix" of the jingle that ran from 1979-1982. Listen to the megamix at http://web.mit.edu/glickman/www/NEWSISmegamix.mp3. The original on-air version was 23 seconds as heard here http://web.mit.edu/glickman/www/newsis1.wav. [In 1979, my origiinal "drop in" had to be recorded live in the studio to get it to fit perfectly in the donut. So WCBS sent me a plane ticket to come down from Boston for a 10 minute studio session just for that purpose. That was well before my ISDN :) I had just started on-air there, my home-town radio station, and thought that was really cool of them to fly me home!] Other great stuff can be found on the WCBS Web site at http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/629833.php I'll be there on Tuesday... it should be a great listen, either on-air or on-line. -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, E38-400 292 Main Street, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From kwillcox@wnsh.com Sat Aug 25 22:41:11 2007 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:41:11 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> WNSH is off the air from Monday until our upgrade is complete. Our new line-up replaces the Greenstone Media with shows that have at least one woman so we are still Women's talk radio during the weekdays ~/~ Keating Willcox WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio, By Women, For Women Studio and Office: Willow Farm, Inc. 31 Woodbury Street - P.O.Box 2443 South Hamilton, MA 01982 (978) 921-1570 cell (508) 954-1282 FAX (978) 468-1954 'kwillcox@wnsh.com' www.wnsh.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Aug 25 19:58:00 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: Front Page article on WEEI coming to Maine Message-ID: >From yesterday's Portland Press Herald: http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=129474&ac=PHnws The article talks about WEEI coming to Maine. It says the switch should be made in a few weeks. It says a decision has not been made as to what station WEEI will be on. The paper interviewed Big Jab fans who said that they would not switch because the local content on JJ's stations is better. The article fails to note that the Big Jab does not have local content most of the time. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Aug 26 01:04:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:04:36 -0500 Subject: Gene Burns appearance on WBZ with Morgan White Jr. Message-ID: <20070826050436.E18FE83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> For those who missed it, Gene Burns spent an hour with Morgan White Jr. on WBZ just now. Gene describes himself as a libertarian--fiscal conservative, social liberal, etc. People praised him for his intelligence and vocabulary. Gene talked about kind of falling into talk radio, after there was a parking lot controversy in western NY (long story...)..got hired by "CBS in Boston" (WEEI 590?), and praised Dan Griffin. Without giving call letters he referred to the station that used to have Jerry W. and David B. ('RKO)...eventually in early 90s did syndicated show out of NY He has temp moved to afternoons on KGO after the tragic death of the beloved Pete Wilson. --Could Gene come to Boston? Doubtful, he says--he just signed a new three year contract in San Fran. He mentioned the importance of local talk radio and condemned the FCC eased rules on ownership, feeling it would produce lots of cheap-to-run nationally syndicated shows that lack the feel and importance of LOCAL talk radio. He agreed with fellow libertarian David Brudnoy on all but one subject: foreign policy. David felt that war was sometimes necessary, but Gene felt it was necessary "only when we're attacked". He said he was disappointed in Pres. Bush but does not feel he should be impeached; "it's just a waste of time". From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 03:52:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:52:18 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> >>Of course, 1490 in Greenwich, Conn., has carried the Sox for a number of years now -- and it's very audible in the Bronx and lower Westchester. I wish I'd known that when I was in NYC a couple weeks back. I saw a rain-shortened Mets game then headed toward my motel in NJ via Brooklyn-Queens Expressway and while I could pick up WTIC (for Sox), the signal was a bit weak...though I don't know if that Greenwich signal could reach down there. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 26 07:40:29 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:40:29 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036><92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> I grew up in the northwest Bronx way before WGCH existed. In those days, the vacuum-tibe AM radios (even the cheap All-American Five models) were MUCH more sensitive than all but the best of today's solid-state units and interference levels were a lot lower. I used to pick up WNAB Bridgeport (1450) and WSTC Stamford (1400) in my (west-facing) bedroom on the sixth floor of an apartment building--and remember, Class IV AMs were then still limited to 250W. OTOH, I think both of those stations (for sure, WSTC--which also had the advantage of a highly efficient half-wave antenna) were sited right at the water's edge adjacent to Long Island Sound, so there was a clear salt water path to the east side of the Bronx six or so miles away. I don't think WGCH has any such siting advantage AND the station uses a minimally efficient Valcom whip antenna. My guess, therefore, is that you would be lucky to pick up a listenable signal from WGCH in New York City outside of the east Bronx and northern Queens. In those two areas, reception on a decent car radio would likely be acceptable. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:52 AM Subject: Re: Wee Eye >>>Of course, 1490 in Greenwich, Conn., has carried the Sox for a >>>number > of years now -- and it's very audible in the Bronx and lower > Westchester. > > I wish I'd known that when I was in NYC a couple weeks back. I saw a > rain-shortened > Mets game then headed toward my motel in NJ via Brooklyn-Queens > Expressway > and while I could pick up WTIC (for Sox), the signal was a bit > weak...though I don't know > if that Greenwich signal could reach down there. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Aug 26 08:51:05 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:05 -0500 Subject: Front Page article on WEEI coming to Maine Message-ID: <20070826125105.689DE49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The person quoted at the start of the article has a point about the screaming, but he apparently didn't know that Butch from the Cape went up to Yankee Heaven several years ago (in fact, he was spared the misery of watching the Red Sox win their first World Series since 1918 and the Patriots win their first Super Bowl ever). One regular caller to WEEI's Big Show, though, does imitations of "Butch" as "Butchie from beyond the grave" (much as Imus had one of his helpers imitate the late Richard Nixon) The famous Bob Lobel quote at the time: "Butch had said maybe he had Red Sox cancer--the type everybody can beat. Sadly he actually had Yankee cancer--the type nobody can beat." (IIRC...again, this was before the historic '04 season) Thanks for the link! From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 10:27:51 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:27:51 +0000 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770708260727j269722c0yecee3222fc241ec6@mail.gmail.com> I am amazed that after 3 years how sloppy WEEI FM handles local breaks especially at the top of the hour. Do they do them in RI or Brighton or Brighton? BTW can we assume that the current combined WEEI is the most listened to signal in NE? From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 26 13:25:12 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:25:12 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708260727j269722c0yecee3222fc241ec6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708260727j269722c0yecee3222fc241ec6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 2:27 PM +0000 8/26/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > BTW can we assume that the current combined WEEI is the >most listened to signal in NE? Assuming anything is risky, but my impression, without having any numbers to back it up, is that the single signal of WBZ is the most listened to in New England. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 14:02:45 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:02:45 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708260727j269722c0yecee3222fc241ec6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708261102x130e26cfv7bd57199704c1f67@mail.gmail.com> Granted WBZ by itself wins easily...but with Providence and Springfield added in WEEI might catch them..and now the Nassau deal? I wonder if Entercom is considering moving WEEI to 99.5 AND 97.7 that would solve signal issues On 8/26/07, Larry Weil wrote: > At 2:27 PM +0000 8/26/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > BTW can we assume that the current combined WEEI is the > >most listened to signal in NE? > > Assuming anything is risky, but my impression, without having any > numbers to back it up, is that the single signal of WBZ is the most > listened to in New England. > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Aug 26 20:56:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:56:38 -0500 Subject: Gene Burns appearance on WBZ with Morgan White Jr. Message-ID: <20070827005638.C52CD83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> White should be on tonight (Sun) between 10 pm and midnight on WBZ (fill in for J. Rich) and again he did say Maynard & Kent would be on. >>When is White's time? Best, Tony Schinella From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 27 13:39:57 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:39:57 -0500 Subject: WPEP not dark yet? Message-ID: <20070827173957.5F58B49B707@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> I think WNSH owner Keating Willcox said that between now and Thu., WNSH would be off air so they can put in the technical work needed to bring the signal up to 30kW. WNSH is indeed off the air today. But I was picking up a signal here in Beverly...a talk show, then USA Network news. Then around 1 pm as one show ended, there were just a series of bleep noises (no station ID) followed by USA Network news and what is apparently "The Jim Sumpter" show. Going online, I found that Sumpter does a political talk show syndicated by USA Radio Network to 37 stations. WPEP 1570 in Taunton is listed as an affiliate. Thought I had read that WPEP went dark last week, but AFAIK the signal I was getting was that of WPEP, judging by the programming. Am sure it will be shut off eventually in next few days (as the darkening of WPEP is necessary for WNSH to power up) but it sounds like they're getting a few last days on the air. From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 27 14:14:52 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:14:52 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> Message-ID: <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> Keating Willcox wrote: > with shows that have at least one > woman so we are still Women's talk radio during the weekdays But, what if the one woman doesn't feel like talking about women? And if it's a guy talking about women doesn't that still count? I can't believe I just asked this but I couldn't resist. Call it a guy-thing. Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Aug 27 14:40:08 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:40:08 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 02:14 PM 8/27/2007, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Keating Willcox wrote: >>with shows that have at least one >>woman so we are still Women's talk radio during the weekdays and Bill replied-- >But, what if the one woman doesn't feel like talking about >women? And if it's a guy talking about women doesn't that still >count? I can't believe I just asked this but I couldn't >resist. Call it a guy-thing. Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys and ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked sports, but look at how many women attend Red Sox and Patriots games, and no, they are not all there to make a boyfriend or husband happy. Conversely, the cooking shows on networks like the Food Channel have a following of men as well as women, since a lot of guys (my husband included) enjoy cooking. But that having been said, I can attest to the fact that most male hosts and most male political figures don't tend to discuss "women's issues" unless they are in front of a female organisation. I seldom hear male talk hosts discussing the lack of affordable daycare, or talking about how some companies do not have family-friendly policies for women who want to be home with their kids but still work part-time. There really are some areas of government policy that affect women more than men-- for example, I help to take care of a guy with autism, and have done so for over 20 years. But all the available research on autism has been done primarily on male subjects, which means that parents with a daughter who has autism don't have much information to help them. The same is true about heart disease-- until about ten years ago, most of the research was done mainly on men. I don't think female talk hosts should talk about ONLY subjects that affect women-- for example, not all women have kids, but most do, so a discussion of child-raising issues would certainly interest many women (and a few guys too-- I have a number of men friends who are actively involved in raising their kids, and I'm glad they are!). But today's women are interested in subjects other than home and kids. Many are into politics, sports, business, etc. So I guess it's not just a matter of "talking about women"-- it's as much a matter of having subjects that present the viewpoints of women and address the issues that concern women. Historically, women have been excluded from the discussion of these issues-- policies were made by men, and the traditional women's show didn't have a lot of clout, even if women's show hosts like Louise Morgan (who started on radio) or Mary Margaret McBride made tons of money for their stations by virtue of bringing in lots of sponsors. But today, since the issues that concern women are much more wide-ranging, a so-called women's talk show might actually get some male listenership too. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 27 15:07:23 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:07:23 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2><46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> As I grew up in New York in the '40s, I remember Mary-Margaret McBride under her own name on WEAF and before that as the first (I believe) Martha Dean on WOR. (Mary-Margaret may even have gone on to WABC (770, not 880) after she left WEAF/WNBC.) Her programs certainly had more emphasis on cooking than shows not directed at a female audience, and, IIRC, her sponsors included a lot of foodstuffs and household products that didn't advertise much on other programs. But aside from the chef guests, I remember her talking with many authors of books not strictly, or even primarily, aimed at a female audience. Probably the NPR talk shows On Point (Tom Ashbrook) and Fresh Air (Terri Gross) are the closest in content today to what Mary-Margaret covered back then. Although it was almost two decades before two-way telephone talk became technically feasible, there was A LOT of pretty decent talk programming in those days (at least in New York City). Tex McCrary and Jinx Falkenburg's AM drive show was one such program. Ed and Pegeen Fitzgerald's was another. Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband (whose name I can't recall) had a third. The last two shows I mentioned were on WOR. Also on WOR was the precursor of many of today's infomercials that tout miracle cures for everything under the sun--Carleton Fredericks. My impression was that Fredericks bought the time from the station and sold the ads himself--just as in today's brokered-time shows. There doesn't seem to be much new under the sun--at least in radio. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Keating Willcox" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: > Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys and > ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked > sports, From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 27 15:16:59 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:16:59 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46D3232B.1050302@billoneill.us> Donna Halper wrote: > But today, since the issues that concern women are much more > wide-ranging, a so-called women's talk show might actually get some > male listenership too. I suspect that approach would be more likely to draw revenue to sustain it. I have to wonder also if programmers need to do a better job with talent and training talent to understand the target audience. There are some success stories with jocks who do well with women in the numbers, e.g., Bedtime Magic, and even Tesh is doing relatively well with women in some markets, Delilah, etc. From the talk side, the sooner stations figure out that a good solo talker versus a mediocre talk team (2-3 in studio) can build that relationship better...the better. I, for one, actually preferred talking 1:1 to listeners and callers and wasn't that eager to load up the schedule with authors, pundits, etc. It seemed as though I was connecting better with the female demo when I opted to minimize my distractions of other 'voices' in the mix and to focus on people one at a time. It's a tougher job but well worth the flop-sweat. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 15:22:45 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:45 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> Donna may have more on her but I *think* the first woman show in Boston was done by Louise Morgan on WNAC. She was on Channel 7 as well I *think* at the same time as Big Brother on Ch 4 On 8/27/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > As I grew up in New York in the '40s, I remember Mary-Margaret McBride > under her own name on WEAF and before that as the first (I believe) > Martha Dean on WOR. (Mary-Margaret may even have gone on to WABC (770, > not 880) after she left WEAF/WNBC.) Her programs certainly had more > emphasis on cooking than shows not directed at a female audience, and, > IIRC, her sponsors included a lot of foodstuffs and household products > that didn't advertise much on other programs. But aside from the chef > guests, I remember her talking with many authors of books not > strictly, or even primarily, aimed at a female audience. Probably the > NPR talk shows On Point (Tom Ashbrook) and Fresh Air (Terri Gross) are > the closest in content today to what Mary-Margaret covered back then. > Although it was almost two decades before two-way telephone talk > became technically feasible, there was A LOT of pretty decent talk > programming in those days (at least in New York City). Tex McCrary and > Jinx Falkenburg's AM drive show was one such program. Ed and Pegeen > Fitzgerald's was another. Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband (whose > name I can't recall) had a third. The last two shows I mentioned were > on WOR. Also on WOR was the precursor of many of today's infomercials > that tout miracle cures for everything under the sun--Carleton > Fredericks. My impression was that Fredericks bought the time from the > station and sold the ads himself--just as in today's brokered-time > shows. There doesn't seem to be much new under the sun--at least in > radio. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Keating Willcox" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: > > > > Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys and > > ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked > > sports, > > From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 27 19:15:38 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:15:38 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary Message-ID: <380-220078127231538851@earthlink.net> WCBS still has that killer signal, too. The night of August 17th I heard the end of Yankees baseball while on a cruise ship somewhere just south of the Bahamas. I then picked up (just barely) a few seconds of WBZ. Paul Connors > [Original Message] > From: Todd Glickman > To: > Date: 8/24/2007 8:48:44 PM > Subject: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary > > Just down I-95... this coming Tuesday, August 28th is WCBS Newsradio > 88(0)'s 40th Anniversary. Current and past staffers will be > attending an open house, and there will be many on-air tributes... From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Aug 27 19:50:32 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:50:32 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary References: <380-220078127231538851@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c7e905$10698e90$0401a8c0@Family> Paul (I can Stop DX'ing ANY TIME I WANT TO) Connors wrote: > WCBS still has that killer signal, too. The night of August 17th I heard > the end of Yankees baseball while on a cruise ship somewhere just south of > the Bahamas. > > I then picked up (just barely) a few seconds of WBZ. > So, was that the end of the extra-inning game in Anaheim? it ended about 0200 eastern. way to take a vacation, buddy. ;-) (put down the headphones and step away from the radio...) - -Chuck Igo From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 27 20:01:26 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:01:26 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary Message-ID: <380-2200782280126752@earthlink.net> Actually, Chuck, I heard the end of a Yankees/Detroit game, a little before 11 PM. Do I get extra geek points because I recorded it as well (using my nifty little PoGo Radio Your Way LX)? ...and that IS a vacation for me... 'cuz I'm outta the business a LONG time now! Paul > [Original Message] > From: Chuck Igo > To: > Cc: > Date: 8/27/2007 7:49:13 PM > Subject: Re: WCBS Newsradio's 40th Anniversary > > Paul (I can Stop DX'ing ANY TIME I WANT TO) Connors wrote: > > > > WCBS still has that killer signal, too. The night of August 17th I heard > > the end of Yankees baseball while on a cruise ship somewhere just south of > > the Bahamas. > > > > I then picked up (just barely) a few seconds of WBZ. > > > > So, was that the end of the extra-inning game in Anaheim? it ended about > 0200 eastern. > > way to take a vacation, buddy. ;-) > > (put down the headphones and step away from the radio...) > > - -Chuck Igo From lglavin@mail.com Mon Aug 27 12:38:30 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:38:30 -0500 Subject: Message-ID: <20070827163830.4B3831CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keating Willcox" >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:41:11 -0400 >WNSH is off the air from Monday until our upgrade is complete. Our new >line-up replaces the Greenstone Media with shows that have at least one >woman so we are still Women's talk radio during the weekdays >~/~ Keating Willcox Laura Ingraham is already on WCRN with coverage throughout a good chunk of Metro Boston AND it's repeated (needlessly) on WTKK. Why not consider picking up the Stephanie Miller show and make a name for yourself? -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From lglavin@mail.com Mon Aug 27 14:23:14 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:23:14 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span Message-ID: <20070827182314.5066F11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> C-Span I announced earlier today (Monday) that this is talk-show week on C-span; the message was on so briefly, I couldn't take notes other than to get the names of two lib-talkers: Ed Schultz Tuesday from noon till 3:00 pm, and Thom HartmannThom Hartmann Friday from noon till 3:00 pm. I didn't catch who would be on Wednesday or Thursday, and c-span.org didn't have a schedule beyond Tuesday. (Monday's host was an individual whose show originates at a Salem Communications station and whose name I didn't recognize.) So if you're near a TV connected to cable or satellite TV, it can become a radio for a few hours! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Aug 28 09:25:06 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:25:06 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I remember Louise Morgan very well. She had a show on Channel 7 every weekday afternoon. I don't think it was at the same time as Big Brother, though, as 7 would have been running CBS' soap "Search for Tomorrow" around that time (12:30). I think Louise was on at 1. Gus Saunders was on the show with her. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: ; "Keating Willcox" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > Donna may have more on her but I *think* the first woman show in > Boston was done by Louise Morgan on WNAC. > > She was on Channel 7 as well I *think* at the same time as Big Brother on Ch 4 > > On 8/27/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > As I grew up in New York in the '40s, I remember Mary-Margaret McBride > > under her own name on WEAF and before that as the first (I believe) > > Martha Dean on WOR. (Mary-Margaret may even have gone on to WABC (770, > > not 880) after she left WEAF/WNBC.) Her programs certainly had more > > emphasis on cooking than shows not directed at a female audience, and, > > IIRC, her sponsors included a lot of foodstuffs and household products > > that didn't advertise much on other programs. But aside from the chef > > guests, I remember her talking with many authors of books not > > strictly, or even primarily, aimed at a female audience. Probably the > > NPR talk shows On Point (Tom Ashbrook) and Fresh Air (Terri Gross) are > > the closest in content today to what Mary-Margaret covered back then. > > Although it was almost two decades before two-way telephone talk > > became technically feasible, there was A LOT of pretty decent talk > > programming in those days (at least in New York City). Tex McCrary and > > Jinx Falkenburg's AM drive show was one such program. Ed and Pegeen > > Fitzgerald's was another. Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband (whose > > name I can't recall) had a third. The last two shows I mentioned were > > on WOR. Also on WOR was the precursor of many of today's infomercials > > that tout miracle cures for everything under the sun--Carleton > > Fredericks. My impression was that Fredericks bought the time from the > > station and sold the ads himself--just as in today's brokered-time > > shows. There doesn't seem to be much new under the sun--at least in > > radio. > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Halper" > > To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Keating Willcox" > > > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:40 PM > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys and > > > ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked > > > sports, > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Aug 28 09:29:47 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:29:47 -0400 Subject: Wee Eye References: <000301c7e4cb$21aa4750$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <92955.2156.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0708240052s737e3069wc8826ab0e9a41e40@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c7e7d5$ec45dbc0$84a44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708260727j269722c0yecee3222fc241ec6@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708261102x130e26cfv7bd57199704c1f67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005901c7e977$81b34ce0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I don't have any numbers either, but I think your statement is probably true --- and has been ever since the station went on the air in 1921. There isn't another station in New England that has the coverage area, the reputation, or the history. I live way up in central Maine and there are people here who depend on WBZ for their radio news. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: ; ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Wee Eye > Granted WBZ by itself wins easily...but with Providence and > Springfield added in WEEI might catch them..and now the Nassau deal? > > I wonder if Entercom is considering moving WEEI to 99.5 AND 97.7 that > would solve signal issues > > On 8/26/07, Larry Weil wrote: > > At 2:27 PM +0000 8/26/07, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > > BTW can we assume that the current combined WEEI is the > > >most listened to signal in NE? > > > > Assuming anything is risky, but my impression, without having any > > numbers to back it up, is that the single signal of WBZ is the most > > listened to in New England. > > -- > > Larry Weil > > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 11:10:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:10:16 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <20070827163830.4B3831CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070827163830.4B3831CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708280810h71a607fvf3d6797a970eb44c@mail.gmail.com> > Laura Ingraham is already on WCRN with coverage throughout a good chunk > of Metro Boston AND it's repeated (needlessly) on WTKK. Why not consider > picking up the Stephanie Miller show and make a name for yourself? That would be an interesting idea; Miller is not conservative, though...am not sure if Keating would want a progressive talker on. also I wonder if it would cost more to pick up her show. I wonder if Ingraham is available for a low or free (just run the ads) show... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 11:15:38 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wee Eye In-Reply-To: <005901c7e977$81b34ce0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <329741.91148.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Doug Drown wrote: > I live way up in central Maine and there > are > people here who depend on WBZ for their radio news. Well, WBZ made absolutely no showing in the Augusta-Waterville or Bangor books from spring 2006 on. If WBZ wielded that big of a stick, you'd figure it'd crack either book with some numbers. (It appeared in the 12-plus in the Portland book the last two spring books.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 11:19:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:19:11 -0400 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span In-Reply-To: <20070827182314.5066F11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070827182314.5066F11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708280819v1b21b243ge15f073002dda6f6@mail.gmail.com> The woman seen yesterday on C-SPAN was Janet Parshall. I caught a small bit of her on Salem Comm.'s WROL at one point (at work, when I was noticing that the night signal was managing to reach North Reading). The Fairness Doctrine was talked about with Indiana Congressman Mike Pence. Janet was saying that it wasn't right that talk radio be regulated in such a way: "What if you have a Christian radio station and you and your listeners feel that abortion should not be legal. Should you have to give equal time to people who disagree? Or how about this: there is a cable TV channel dedicated to gay and lesbians (she means LOGO). Should there be equal time for those who disagree with the gay lifestyle?" (As far as I know, cable TV would not be affected by Fairness Doctrine, even though I have joked that "Keith Olbermann would be forced to have Ann Coulter on as a co-host". Maybe on broadcast NBC they would be forced to give equal time, but MSNBC might be safe from the Fairness Doctrine.) Here's where I joke that Janet was "Parshall" to a certain viewpoint :) By the way, could this happen? "Hello, Radio One? I understand you have a black talk radio network. I am from the Ku Klux Klan and I would like equal time..." From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 11:48:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:48:13 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> As far as phone talk is concerned many have credited Maxwell E Richmond with inventing the idea when he brought Jerry Williams in around 1957. I don't know if Mac was first ( certainly was in Boston ) but you got to admit the man was a mad genius when it came to radio. With that night signal they never should have been a major factor in Boston..but My mother listened to WHDH around the clock but when Jerry came on she would tune to 1510. On 8/28/07, Doug Drown wrote: > I remember Louise Morgan very well. She had a show on Channel 7 every > weekday afternoon. I don't think it was at the same time as Big Brother, > though, as 7 would have been running CBS' soap "Search for Tomorrow" around > that time (12:30). I think Louise was on at 1. Gus Saunders was on the > show with her. > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: ; "Keating Willcox" > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > > > > Donna may have more on her but I *think* the first woman show in > > Boston was done by Louise Morgan on WNAC. > > > > She was on Channel 7 as well I *think* at the same time as Big Brother on > Ch 4 > > > > On 8/27/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > > As I grew up in New York in the '40s, I remember Mary-Margaret McBride > > > under her own name on WEAF and before that as the first (I believe) > > > Martha Dean on WOR. (Mary-Margaret may even have gone on to WABC (770, > > > not 880) after she left WEAF/WNBC.) Her programs certainly had more > > > emphasis on cooking than shows not directed at a female audience, and, > > > IIRC, her sponsors included a lot of foodstuffs and household products > > > that didn't advertise much on other programs. But aside from the chef > > > guests, I remember her talking with many authors of books not > > > strictly, or even primarily, aimed at a female audience. Probably the > > > NPR talk shows On Point (Tom Ashbrook) and Fresh Air (Terri Gross) are > > > the closest in content today to what Mary-Margaret covered back then. > > > Although it was almost two decades before two-way telephone talk > > > became technically feasible, there was A LOT of pretty decent talk > > > programming in those days (at least in New York City). Tex McCrary and > > > Jinx Falkenburg's AM drive show was one such program. Ed and Pegeen > > > Fitzgerald's was another. Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband (whose > > > name I can't recall) had a third. The last two shows I mentioned were > > > on WOR. Also on WOR was the precursor of many of today's infomercials > > > that tout miracle cures for everything under the sun--Carleton > > > Fredericks. My impression was that Fredericks bought the time from the > > > station and sold the ads himself--just as in today's brokered-time > > > shows. There doesn't seem to be much new under the sun--at least in > > > radio. > > > > > > ----- > > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donna Halper" > > > To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Keating Willcox" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > > > > Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys and > > > > ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked > > > > sports, > > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 28 12:07:56 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:07:56 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> I'm pretty sure that two-way telephone talk had been tried (successfully) before WMEX and Jerry Williams did it here. My guess is in Philadelphia. Williams had worked there (not sure which station--WIP, maybe) just before he came to Boston but I don't think Jerry was doing two-way telephone talk in Philly at that time. I DO think it's where he might have gotten the idea, though. Now, Mac and Dickie had an AM/FM combo in the DC area (WPGC (AM) Morningside MD; WRNC (FM) Oakland MD) at the time they bought WMEX out of banruptcy up here, but I doubt whether they were doing telephone talk there back then. WPGC was still a daytimer with, I think, a top-40 format. As a daytimer, it had no night hours in which to do talk for an adult audience and I don't think anyone was doing talk on FM yet. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; ; "Keating Willcox" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > As far as phone talk is concerned many have credited Maxwell E > Richmond with inventing the idea when he brought Jerry Williams in > around 1957. > > I don't know if Mac was first ( certainly was in Boston ) but you > got > to admit the man was a mad genius when it came to radio. With that > night signal they never should have been a major factor in > Boston..but > > My mother listened to WHDH around the clock but when Jerry came on > she > would tune to 1510. > > On 8/28/07, Doug Drown wrote: >> I remember Louise Morgan very well. She had a show on Channel 7 >> every >> weekday afternoon. I don't think it was at the same time as Big >> Brother, >> though, as 7 would have been running CBS' soap "Search for >> Tomorrow" around >> that time (12:30). I think Louise was on at 1. Gus Saunders was >> on the >> show with her. >> >> -Doug >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" >> Cc: ; "Keating >> Willcox" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages >> >> >> > Donna may have more on her but I *think* the first woman show in >> > Boston was done by Louise Morgan on WNAC. >> > >> > She was on Channel 7 as well I *think* at the same time as Big >> > Brother on >> Ch 4 >> > >> > On 8/27/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> > > As I grew up in New York in the '40s, I remember Mary-Margaret >> > > McBride >> > > under her own name on WEAF and before that as the first (I >> > > believe) >> > > Martha Dean on WOR. (Mary-Margaret may even have gone on to >> > > WABC (770, >> > > not 880) after she left WEAF/WNBC.) Her programs certainly had >> > > more >> > > emphasis on cooking than shows not directed at a female >> > > audience, and, >> > > IIRC, her sponsors included a lot of foodstuffs and household >> > > products >> > > that didn't advertise much on other programs. But aside from >> > > the chef >> > > guests, I remember her talking with many authors of books not >> > > strictly, or even primarily, aimed at a female audience. >> > > Probably the >> > > NPR talk shows On Point (Tom Ashbrook) and Fresh Air (Terri >> > > Gross) are >> > > the closest in content today to what Mary-Margaret covered back >> > > then. >> > > Although it was almost two decades before two-way telephone >> > > talk >> > > became technically feasible, there was A LOT of pretty decent >> > > talk >> > > programming in those days (at least in New York City). Tex >> > > McCrary and >> > > Jinx Falkenburg's AM drive show was one such program. Ed and >> > > Pegeen >> > > Fitzgerald's was another. Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband >> > > (whose >> > > name I can't recall) had a third. The last two shows I >> > > mentioned were >> > > on WOR. Also on WOR was the precursor of many of today's >> > > infomercials >> > > that tout miracle cures for everything under the sun--Carleton >> > > Fredericks. My impression was that Fredericks bought the time >> > > from the >> > > station and sold the ads himself--just as in today's >> > > brokered-time >> > > shows. There doesn't seem to be much new under the sun--at >> > > least in >> > > radio. >> > > >> > > ----- >> > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Donna Halper" >> > > To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Keating Willcox" >> > > >> > > Cc: >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:40 PM >> > > Subject: Re: >> > > >> > > >> > > > Actually, these days there are a lot of things that both guys >> > > > and >> > > > ladies like to listen to-- it used to be that only guys liked >> > > > sports, >> > > >> > > >> >> From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 28 12:22:40 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:22:40 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> Kevin Vahey wrote: > My mother listened to WHDH around the clock but when Jerry came on she > would tune to 1510. > > This reminds me of my recent click-over to http://www.jerrywilliams.org There are some wonderful audio archives of Jerry stored there that I highly recommend. I clicked on some of his Chicago shows and sort of got lost in my work as the show ran in the background. I found myself in old territory, working away at the desk while 'The Dean' was making great radio happen all over again, and taking names. Chicago was unfamiliar territory to Jerry but to listen to even his Chicago debut, it was clear that he was going to be a key player in Daley country. That debut cut should be mandatory listening to students of the craft, as Jerry lays out, for the vast Chicago radio audience, just what talk radio was, how they would fit into it, and the rules of the road. I think it is important that when we look back on talents like Jerry that we remind ourselves that he was not only good but that he was blazing that trail. His archived stuff still holds up. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 28 12:26:47 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:26:47 -0400 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708280819v1b21b243ge15f073002dda6f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070827182314.5066F11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <1fbbbced0708280819v1b21b243ge15f073002dda6f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D44CC7.6080507@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > The Fairness Doctrine was talked about with Indiana Congressman Mike Pence. Janet was saying that it > wasn't right that talk radio be regulated in such a way: [snip] > By the way, could this happen? "Hello, Radio One? I understand you have a black > talk radio network. I am from the Ku Klux Klan and I would like equal time... > My .02? Not a chance. Fuggedaboudit. Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 28 13:12:52 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:12:52 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:07 PM 8/28/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I'm pretty sure that two-way telephone talk had been tried >(successfully) before WMEX and Jerry Williams did it here. I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were done in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those experiments in New York, circa 1946. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 28 13:58:25 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:58:25 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000801c7e99d$0c3362e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Barry Gray??? He was a late-night talk host in New York (WMCA, for sure, WOR perhaps) for many, many, many years. I think he had already started in Radio by the mid-late '40s. I do not recall that he was doing two-way talk on a regular basis real early on, but that doesn't mean he didn't experiment with it. I would think that it could not have been done prudently without the seven-second (or so) delay and that depended on the availability of tape recorders. In 1946, there were wire recorders for sure, but I don't think that Poniatoff (Ampex--for Alexander M Poniatoff) had produced any commercially marketed tape recorders until probably 1947 or 1948--but I could be wrong. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > At 12:07 PM 8/28/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>I'm pretty sure that two-way telephone talk had been tried >>(successfully) before WMEX and Jerry Williams did it here. > > I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were > done in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those > experiments in New York, circa 1946. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 14:37:54 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:37:54 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) In-Reply-To: <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281137g69624114na8fe48142f041b11@mail.gmail.com> I remember my Mom saying WBBM came in better than WMEX. I seem to recall that he was on WTIC for awhile as well. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 28 14:50:44 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:44 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708281137g69624114na8fe48142f041b11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c7e9a4$5ca983b0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> In the Merrimac Valley (except maybe near the coast--Newburyport and environs), I would think so. Actually, I'm amazed that she could get WMEX at all at night if she was in the Lowell/Lawrence area. That's probably true even now with 50 kW at night because, although the day patterns send a pretty strong signal to the north, the night pattern is nulled to the north to protect long-dark CJRS, which was due north of us. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; ; "Keating Willcox" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) >I remember my Mom saying WBBM came in better than WMEX. I seem to > recall that he was on WTIC for awhile as well. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 15:04:29 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:04:29 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) In-Reply-To: <000801c7e9a4$5ca983b0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708281137g69624114na8fe48142f041b11@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7e9a4$5ca983b0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281204m49e8a532o3c0f34881e71858d@mail.gmail.com> My Mom was in Cambridge At our house WMEX was killed by WTOP and WKBW On 8/28/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > In the Merrimac Valley (except maybe near the coast--Newburyport and > environs), I would think so. Actually, I'm amazed that she could get > WMEX at all at night if she was in the Lowell/Lawrence area. That's > probably true even now with 50 kW at night because, although the day > patterns send a pretty strong signal to the north, the night pattern > is nulled to the north to protect long-dark CJRS, which was due north > of us. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Bill O'Neill" > Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; > ; "Keating Willcox" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) > > > >I remember my Mom saying WBBM came in better than WMEX. I seem to > > recall that he was on WTIC for awhile as well. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 15:07:30 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:07:30 -0400 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span In-Reply-To: <46D44CC7.6080507@billoneill.us> References: <20070827182314.5066F11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <1fbbbced0708280819v1b21b243ge15f073002dda6f6@mail.gmail.com> <46D44CC7.6080507@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281207s2db563f3s73ea4c7d044f6f49@mail.gmail.com> Sometime around 1987-88 I worked camera when C-Span fed David Brudnoy one Friday night. I remember David being thrilled that old friend Stu Siroka (sic) who had been a weatherman in Boston called in from Florida. Best part of the night was while breaking down being able to watch Norm Nathan at work. ( and wife Norma was in the studio with him but not on the air ) I miss Norm From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 28 15:32:26 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:32:26 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <000801c7e99d$0c3362e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <000801c7e99d$0c3362e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46D4784A.6040003@ttlc.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't think that Poniatoff (Ampex--for Alexander M Poniatoff) > had produced any commercially > marketed tape recorders until probably 1947 or 1948--but I could be > wrong. Harvard Business School bio of Alexander M. Poniatoff states that Ampex produced the first Magnetic Tape Recorder in 1948. (Model 200, IIRC) From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 28 15:37:11 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:37:11 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708281137g69624114na8fe48142f041b11@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7e9a4$5ca983b0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708281204m49e8a532o3c0f34881e71858d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c7e9aa$d79707e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Exactly. And if you went south on Mass Ave across Harvard Bridge, the signal wasn't clean until you were well into the South End. Interestingly, back in those days, the formula for computing the NIF contour did not take into account first-adjacent interference, so on paper, though not in fact, WMEX was quite interference free. Around 1958, CJRS came on. It was supposed to protect WMEX but, where I was, it was almost always quite audible underneath. Then came WNLC, which didn't protect WMEX AT ALL during the day. It was 10 kW-D directional TOWARD WMEX by day and only 77 miles from the WMEX transmitter in Squantum! During what are now called critical hours, WNLC destroyed WMEX in places like Hingham and Weymouth, but WNLC's six-tower 5 kW night rig protected WMEX pretty well after dark. However, with or without interference from WNLC, WMEX's signal was so bad in so many places that it's amazing what kind of numbers the top-40 station was able to pull. Until the day power was increased to 50 kW around 1972 (I think), the good signal was confined to areas along the coastline and no more than a few miles inland from the South Shore to Cape Ann. Yeah, the 5 kW day signal reached further inland by day than by night because WKBW and WTOP were not much in evidence until dark, but I guess the format was so unusual that kids would listen despite the interference. Then, when the transmitter was moved to Waltham in 1981, North Shore listeners started to complain because the new 50-kW signal coming across 15 or more miles of rocky New England real estate wasn't nearly the equivalent of even 5 kW (let alone 50) coming over salt water from Quincy. When it moved to Waltham (it was WITS by then), the station should have gone to split sites--keeping the day site in Quincy but moving the night site to Waltham. Keeping the day site in Quincy would not have cost much, since the station owned the land. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Doug Drown" ; ; "Keating Willcox" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) > My Mom was in Cambridge > At our house WMEX was killed by WTOP and WKBW > > > On 8/28/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> In the Merrimac Valley (except maybe near the coast--Newburyport >> and >> environs), I would think so. Actually, I'm amazed that she could >> get >> WMEX at all at night if she was in the Lowell/Lawrence area. That's >> probably true even now with 50 kW at night because, although the >> day >> patterns send a pretty strong signal to the north, the night >> pattern >> is nulled to the north to protect long-dark CJRS, which was due >> north >> of us. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Bill O'Neill" >> Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Dan.Strassberg" >> ; >> ; "Keating Willcox" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:37 PM >> Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) >> >> >> >I remember my Mom saying WBBM came in better than WMEX. I seem to >> > recall that he was on WTIC for awhile as well. >> >> From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 28 16:02:52 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:02:52 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span Message-ID: <20070828200252.2460D83BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> And this is why some feel the Fairness Doctrine would hurt talk radio: stations would shy away from controversial topics because they wouldn't want to be forced to offer equal time to groups they may not necessarily want to put on. Not sure if it would be at this extreme but who knows. > By the way, could this happen? "Hello, Radio One? I understand > you have a black > talk radio network. I am from the Ku Klux Klan and I would like equal time... > My .02? Not a chance. Fuggedaboudit. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:27:57 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:27:57 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? (was: Talk shows through the ages) In-Reply-To: <000901c7e9aa$d79707e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <46D44BD0.2060608@billoneill.us> <4fc429770708281137g69624114na8fe48142f041b11@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7e9a4$5ca983b0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708281204m49e8a532o3c0f34881e71858d@mail.gmail.com> <000901c7e9aa$d79707e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281327w39206e47h811fb101a6890e66@mail.gmail.com> WMEX went 50 daytime in 68 or 69 as I was working at WMUR then. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 16:56:37 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI stream Message-ID: <272005.753.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just curious: Has anyone been using the WEEI stream the past couple days, and has anyone else had pretty poor performance with it? I've tried other talk streams (including WAMG) and haven't had any problems. Any thoughts? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 17:16:57 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:16:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Hello, Jerry? Message-ID: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >CC: "Keating Willcox" , >boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >To: "Kevin Vahey" , >"Bill O'Neill" >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:44 -0400 >Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? > >In the Merrimac Valley (except maybe near the coast-- >Newburyport and environs), I would think so. Actually, >I'm amazed that she could get WMEX at all at night if >she was in the Lowell/Lawrence area. That's probably >true even now with 50 kW at night because, although >the day patterns send a pretty strong signal to the >north, the night pattern is nulled to the north to >protect long-dark CJRS, which was due north of us. Somehow, the old WMEX signal did go north at night. Although it couldn't be heard listenably in Concord or Framingham (or barely in Newton, where I grew up) it did go north via the Routes 93 and 3 directions and it could be heard up through New Hampshire and eastern/northern Vermont to Montreal Canada, where it was loud and clear at night when my family went up there for "Expo '67". It was actually better northward inland into New England with the old 5kW from Quincy than the 50kW from Waltham. I could see WMEX may have been audible in Lowell and Lawrence at night, but not much farther west. EP From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 17:29:31 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:29:31 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? In-Reply-To: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281429x2f7cf719xa7b5b090cb16c7e3@mail.gmail.com> WMEX was actually popular in Montreal proper as it had a better signal at night than CFOX 1470 WMEX also had a weird 7 sec delay setup where the host would push a button that muted the playback head in Quincy. The problem with that was if a show was reaired the offending remark was on the tape. From rickkelly@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:08:42 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:08:42 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/07, Donna Halper wrote: > I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were > done in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those > experiments in New York, circa 1946. I thought Barry Grant was the guy on WDRC-FM in the late 60's... same guy? -- -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:15:29 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:15:29 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> I think Donna meant Barry Grey who was on WMCA From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:45:20 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:45:20 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281545k5a29a64an60df81d08bb85652@mail.gmail.com> The first sports call in show in Boston is mostly forgotten. It was hosted by Bob Gallager on WNAC in 1964. Gallager was also the first voice of the Patriots on WEEI. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 28 19:56:25 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:56:25 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us> <20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070828235650.6E0A144E069@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 06:15 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote: >I think Donna meant Barry Grey who was on WMCA Yup-- that's exactly who I meant. Sorry about the quick typing... thanks to Kevin for the nice save! From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 20:21:35 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:21:35 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <20070828235650.6E0A144E069@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> <20070828235650.6E0A144E069@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708281721q6aee1becgb42ec446496686b4@mail.gmail.com> BTW when did the FCC allow stations on a 7 sec delay to do away with BEEP every 15 seconds? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 28 20:41:28 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:41:28 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708281721q6aee1becgb42ec446496686b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <521b7fd10708281508x41db59actd4d447686aebf5@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708281515u31b08feau11fea0a8ac300e4a@mail.gmail.com> <20070828235650.6E0A144E069@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770708281721q6aee1becgb42ec446496686b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D4C0B8.1090406@ttlc.net> IIRC, the Beep was not because of delay per se, but rather to notify the person on the far end of the phone line that they were being recorded. Of course, strictly speaking, with a 7-second loop, they were being recorded, but it was erased 7 seconds later. Letter of the law? Kevin Vahey wrote: > BTW when did the FCC allow stations on a 7 sec delay to do away with > BEEP every 15 seconds? > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 28 21:07:39 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:07:39 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? References: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001301c7e9d9$028082a0$6ca24c0c@SatU205S5044> WMEX's old two-tower 5-kW DA-1 pattern from Quincy was an inverted figure eight, with a relatively narrow minor lobe to the south and a broad major lobe to the north. That WMEX should have delivered a pretty good skywave to Montreal at night is not at all surprising. But a good groundwave in Lowell is kind of surprising. I don't know the height of the towers but I would be surprised if they were much more than quarter wave, so there was probably plenty of high-angle radiation, which would help to explain the good signal in Montreal. But Lowell is kind of close in to have gotten much of a skywave. The skywave would have gotten better (on average) as you drove up Route 3 from the Merrimac Valley into New Hampshire. My guess is that it would have been pretty potent on most nights in Concord NH. The current four-tower 50-kW night pattern from Waltham is quite different. The major lobe is centered pretty much due east over downtown Boston and then along the coast to cover the North Shore. There is a minor lobe to the north right on the edge of the major lobe (actually, the minor lobe kind of merges into the major lobe). That minor lobe was designed into the pattern to provide coverage to the north and to take advantage of the radiation grandfathered from the old 5-kW pattern. It's responsible for whatever signal gets to Burlington at night. On paper, because the Waltham site is so much closer to Burlington than the Quincy site was and the inverse-distance field to the north is almost as great as peak of the old 5-kW major lobe, you'd think that the signal in Burlington at night would br pretty good. I have found it to be generally kind of ragged. The Waltham array uses towers almost 200-degrees tall, so they are quite efficient and they should push the area of good skywave further out than it was with the shorter Quincy towers. But, of course, the Waltham site is in an area of high population density and the high density of houses and paved streets and driveways just accentuates the effect of the natually pitiful soil conductivity. Couple that with being high up on the dial and it should not be surprising that the 50-kW signal from 200-degree towers is generally not a killer. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? > >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >>CC: "Keating Willcox" , >> >boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >>To: "Kevin Vahey" , >>"Bill O'Neill" >>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:44 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? >> >>In the Merrimac Valley (except maybe near the coast-- >>Newburyport and environs), I would think so. Actually, >>I'm amazed that she could get WMEX at all at night if >>she was in the Lowell/Lawrence area. That's probably >>true even now with 50 kW at night because, although >>the day patterns send a pretty strong signal to the >>north, the night pattern is nulled to the north to >>protect long-dark CJRS, which was due north of us. > > Somehow, the old WMEX signal did go north at night. > Although it couldn't be heard listenably in Concord > or Framingham (or barely in Newton, where I grew up) > it did go north via the Routes 93 and 3 directions > and it could be heard up through New Hampshire and > eastern/northern Vermont to Montreal Canada, where > it was loud and clear at night when my family went > up there for "Expo '67". It was actually better > northward inland into New England with the old 5kW > from Quincy than the 50kW from Waltham. I could see > WMEX may have been audible in Lowell and Lawrence at > night, but not much farther west. > > EP > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 29 02:20:45 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:20:45 -0500 Subject: Hello, Jerry? In-Reply-To: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19595494.1188335817832.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46D4C9ED.22474.64DF1E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Aug 2007 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > Somehow, the old WMEX signal did go north at night. > Although it couldn't be heard listenably in Concord > or Framingham (or barely in Newton, where I grew up) But I managed to listen to it in Bedford during the day. At night it clashed with WKBW. Once in the late 1960s, I was listening at night on the car radio, and when I turned off the main road to my home neighborhood, the signal faded. Apparently I lived in a bit of a dead spot for WMEX at night. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 29 02:20:48 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:20:48 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2>, <000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044>, <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46D4C9F0.16789.64ECCA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Aug 2007 at 13:12, Donna Halper wrote: > I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were done > in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those experiments > in New York, circa 1946. Were they able to delay the sound somehow or did they just take their chances? I remember, back in the 1950s, some people on radio who would talk with someone on the phone, but you'd only year the studio person, not the caller. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 29 02:20:50 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:20:50 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D4784A.6040003@ttlc.net> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2>, <000801c7e99d$0c3362e0$61a54c0c@SatU205S5044>, <46D4784A.6040003@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <46D4C9F2.2738.64F2B6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Aug 2007 at 15:32, Roger Kirk wrote: > Harvard Business School bio of Alexander M. Poniatoff states that > Ampex produced the first Magnetic Tape Recorder in 1948. (Model 200, > IIRC) Sounds about right. In "As Long as They're Laughing," by Robert Dwan, his memoire of 14-years as director of Groucho Marx's "You Bet Your Life" quiz show, Dwan describes how Groucho's show benefited by Bing Crosby's interest in taping his show. The major networks at the time were obsessed with doing live programming and wouldn't even allow recorded news footage. Recording at the time was by phonograph- type transcription. Bing Crosby wanted to pre-record his show, and when NBC wouldn't allow it, he took his show to ABC, a struggling network which, to get a star as big as Bing, was more than willing to let him pre-record his show. When Groucho's show started on ABC, the idea of pre- recording was no longer an issue at ABC because of Bing. "You Bet Your Life" started in fall 1947, pre-recording by transcription. Later, when magnetic tape came out, Bing Crosby asked ABC to get tape equipment. When ABC was jittery about the financial stability of Ampex, Bing wrote a $50,000 check to Ampex. And when ABC got tape equipment for Bing, they also got it for Groucho. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 29 02:20:46 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:20:46 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2>, <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <46D4C9EE.21286.64E5B6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Aug 2007 at 9:25, Doug Drown wrote: > I remember Louise Morgan very well. She had a show on Channel 7 every > weekday afternoon. I don't think it was at the same time as Big > Brother, though, as 7 would have been running CBS' soap "Search for > Tomorrow" around that time (12:30). I think Louise was on at 1. Gus > Saunders was on the show with her. I remember Louise Morgan with a morning show on WNAC radio in the early 1950s. My mother used to turn on the radio during breakfast to listen to "Breakfast with Bill," Hahn to be exact. Louise Morgan was on right after, and my mother would say things like, "I don't like Louise Morgan! Bye Bye Louise Morgan!" as she went to shut off the radio. I once asked my mother why she didn't like Louise Morgan, and she answered that Louise Morgan sounded like a hypocrite. This led to her having to answer my next question, "What's a hypocrite?" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 29 03:31:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:31:16 -0500 Subject: Herald: Perf. bonuses could greatly benefit Carr at WTKK Message-ID: <20070829073116.8B3C049B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The Herald reports that Howie Carr could earn as much as $7 million over 5 years if all performance bonuses in his WTKK deal are met. IF... Even if he finishes at a slightly lower position, he would still earn a hefty chunk of change. Now the only question is when/if the legal mess clears up so Howie's listeners will know when/if he starts at 96.9... http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1019698 From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 29 03:48:12 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:48:12 -0500 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed Message-ID: <20070829074813.0B40583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> "Washington Post Radio" in DC (including the powerful AM 1500 signal that can be heard at night here, and maybe in late afternoon if conditions are right) will be gone next month but its successor "3WT" (WWWT) will air talk shows including three conservative-libertarian hosts (Neil Boortz, Bill O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck)--and one liberal--Stephanie Miller. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/AR2007082801725.\ html From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 11:04:06 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:04:06 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D4C9EE.21286.64E5B6@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2> <004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <46D4C9EE.21286.64E5B6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708290804i43dcc45ft72a3e4440342f71@mail.gmail.com> We can not forget one of the best talk shows ever in Boston, CONTACT on WBZ with the 'other' Bob Kennedy. Bob went to Chicago and became huge on WLS-TV and was all set to host a network show when he died in 1974. His wife writes about him http://www.fordham55.com/Kennedy%20Bob.htm From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 11:19:50 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:19:50 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages Message-ID: <4fc429770708290819t4be2f5fna8274d5ca4ca6ba1@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure the phone number WO9-8989 brings back memories for many. It was the phone number of Ken Mayer who did a Sunday night - Monday morning show on WBOS-WUNR for years at 1600. There was little on Monday mornings in those years and Ken developed a huge cult audience even with the horrific 1600 signal. He took calls but you only heard him and he played comedy cuts. He big sponsor was the late lamented Ken's of Copley ( back in the days when you could eat at 2AM in this town ) and travel arrangements were made by Wiggins Airways of Norwood. I loved that show From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Aug 29 11:51:03 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:51:03 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708290819t4be2f5fna8274d5ca4ca6ba1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708290819t4be2f5fna8274d5ca4ca6ba1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e78bbf8f1d53c0f5a1b95fa591040c3@charter.net> The weird thing for me is, (617) 969-8989 is the phone number for my son's pediatrician! Has been for years now.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 29, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I'm sure the phone number WO9-8989 brings back memories for many. > > It was the phone number of Ken Mayer who did a Sunday night - Monday > morning > show on WBOS-WUNR for years at 1600. > > There was little on Monday mornings in those years and Ken developed a > huge > cult audience even with the horrific 1600 signal. He took calls but > you only > heard him and he played comedy cuts. > > He big sponsor was the late lamented Ken's of Copley ( back in the > days when > you could eat at 2AM in this town ) and travel arrangements were made > by > Wiggins Airways of Norwood. > > I loved that show > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 29 12:05:32 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:32 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages References: <4fc429770708290819t4be2f5fna8274d5ca4ca6ba1@mail.gmail.com> <8e78bbf8f1d53c0f5a1b95fa591040c3@charter.net> Message-ID: <002701c7ea56$71d303d0$ada64c0c@SatU205S5044> Sounds like the Pediatrician either got the former famous number by luck of the draw or selected it from a list of available numbers--undoubtedly long after Ken Mayer's demise. Unlikely that anyone is in the doctor's office really late on weekend nights when nostalgia buffs--ones who presumably listen to George Noory at the same hour during the week--might try dialing the 969 number looking for a connection to Kenny from beyond the grave :>) Note, however, that since the advent of all of the new area codes in Greater Boston, you must preface the 969 with 617. In Mayer's day, that was not necessary if you were calling from eastern Mass. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: ; "Keating Willcox" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: Re: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages > The weird thing for me is, (617) 969-8989 is the phone number for my > son's pediatrician! Has been for years now.... > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Aug 29, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I'm sure the phone number WO9-8989 brings back memories for many. >> >> It was the phone number of Ken Mayer who did a Sunday night - >> Monday morning >> show on WBOS-WUNR for years at 1600. >> >> There was little on Monday mornings in those years and Ken >> developed a huge >> cult audience even with the horrific 1600 signal. He took calls but >> you only >> heard him and he played comedy cuts. >> >> He big sponsor was the late lamented Ken's of Copley ( back in the >> days when >> you could eat at 2AM in this town ) and travel arrangements were >> made by >> Wiggins Airways of Norwood. >> >> I loved that show >> > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 29 12:08:24 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:08:24 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B86DF618BB85-9F8-4E3C@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Interesting thread about the long-time signal problems of Boston's 1510. In the early '60s, not very far west of Boston, WNLC-CT (and to a lesser extent) CJRS-QC did raise havoc with then-5kW WMEX on early skip just before sunset pattern switch time. Even so, when I was on a train ride back from NYC in December of 1963, I had WMEX beating the stuffing out of WNLC just a few miles outside New London. That tells me that directional arrays really aren't very directional at all at the kind of skip take-off angles ... close to straight up ... that would be characteristic of under 100 miles. What's listed on pattern maps are generally the peaks and nulls at ground level. What's happening 45 to 60 degrees off the horizon could be quite a different story. A 30 dB null on a particular bearing along the ground might only be about 10 dB in the same direction on a steep take-off slope. I think the changeover to 50 kW day at the Quincy site was in 1970, or 1971 at the latest. Nights stayed 5 kW until the move to Waltham in the early '80s. By the way, both as 5 kW from Quincy and later as 50 kW from Waltham, 1510 smacked a great signal into Newfoundland and even to Ireland and the UK some nights. I had no trouble hearing the 5 kW version on a Radio Shack portable from the Westport, Ireland area on a 1977 trip. A couple of years ago, I used a web-controlled receiver located in Ilfracombe, southwestern England, to pick up a nice WWZN signal. The recording of that is at "http://home.comcast.net/~dx_lab/dx_audio/dx_wwzn-1510_20051021_0045z_fro m_uk.mp3" in case you're interested. Links to audio clips of other long-haul receptions, including WBZ heard from Australia may be found at "http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/dx_audio.htm". Arnie Ginsburg read letters from GI's stationed in W. Germany who listened quite frequently there. Once he got a note from sailors on an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. Of course they were running something like a Collins R-390A and a serious amount of wire off a tall mast atop a large chunk of metal surrounded by salt water ... no "weenie" 5-tube bedside clock radios there. I think Arnie once quipped something like "Germany's no trouble but try getting us in Worcester." WWZN-1510 does OK here at night near the 3A/62 junction and just 3 miles north of the Burlington Mall (and WRKO), but by the time you get up Route 3 to Lowell and Tyngsborough, the station is pretty much out of gas. Having adjacent monster signals from WTWP-1500 DC (ex-WTOP) and WWKB-1520 NY (ex-WKBW) has always made it rough at night on 1510. Besides loving '60s-era WMEX, I regularly listened to the station in the '80s when it had big-bands / standards (WMRE) - including Bill Marlowe for a while and Little Walter's oldies some nights - but I have little use for it now. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Exactly. And if you went south on Mass Ave across Harvard Bridge, the signal wasn't clean until you were well into the South End. Interestingly, back in those days, the formula for computing the NIF contour did not take into account first-adjacent interference, so on paper, though not in fact, WMEX was quite interference free. Around 1958, CJRS came on. It was supposed to protect WMEX but, where I was, it was almost always quite audible underneath. Then came WNLC, which didn't protect WMEX AT ALL during the day. It was 10 kW-D directional TOWARD WMEX by day and only 77 miles from the WMEX transmitter in Squantum! During what are now called critical hours, WNLC destroyed WMEX in places like Hingham and Weymouth, but WNLC's six-tower 5 kW night rig protected WMEX pretty well after dark. However, with or without interference from WNLC, WMEX's signal was so bad in so many places that it's amazing what kind of numbers the top-40 station was able to pull. Until the day power was increased to 50 kW around 1972 (I think), the good signal was confined to areas along the coastline and no more than a few miles inland from the South Shore to Cape Ann. Yeah, the 5 kW day signal reached further inland by day than by night because WKBW and WTOP were not much in evidence until dark, but I guess the format was so unusual that kids would listen despite the interference. Then, when the transmitter was moved to Waltham in 1981, North Shore listeners started to complain because the new 50-kW signal coming across 15 or more miles of rocky New England real estate wasn't nearly the equivalent of even 5 kW (let alone 50) coming over salt water from Quincy. When it moved to Waltham (it was WITS by then), the station should have gone to split sites--keeping the day site in Quincy but moving the night site to Waltham. Keeping the day site in Quincy would not have cost much, since the station owned the land. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 29 12:24:54 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:24:54 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B870448C3ED3-9F8-4F4D@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> I have uploaded airchecks of Kenny Mayer at the following URL's: These were recorded by me in Arlington, MA in 1966 when I was in high school. Best thing to do is save these to local drive first and then play them on your PC or iPod. I was a big fan of Kenny's show. Posting airchecks online is legal, right ? Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Aug 29 12:33:10 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:33:10 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? References: <8C9B86DF618BB85-9F8-4E3C@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c7ea5a$4afefe90$0401a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Hello, Jerry? > Interesting thread about the long-time signal problems of Boston's 1510. (Snip) > > WWZN-1510 does OK here at night near the 3A/62 junction and just 3 miles > north of the Burlington Mall (and WRKO), but by the time you get up Route > 3 to Lowell and Tyngsborough, the station is pretty much out of gas. > Having adjacent monster signals from WTWP-1500 DC (ex-WTOP) and WWKB-1520 > NY (ex-WKBW) has always made it rough at night on 1510. > > Besides loving '60s-era WMEX, I regularly listened to the station in the > '80s when it had big-bands / standards (WMRE) - including Bill Marlowe for > a while and Little Walter's oldies some nights - but I have little use for > it now. > interesting you'd note that particular intersection in Burlington as that was the primo reception spot when i was relegated to driving Mom's Vega (with a factory installed AM only radio) so i could listen to WKBW at night (1975/1976). and i did live in the Lord Baron Apartments at the time when one didn't need a radio to pick 68 WRKO (about .9 miles from the tri-towers area). just pick up the phone, dial 931 166 - then listen to the rf while waiting for the cue to call and drop in the 8. won 8 lps, concert tix and more. yes - i wuz a teenage contest pig. - -Chuck Igo From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 29 13:53:49 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:53:49 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2><46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us><20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044><4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com><004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2><4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com><000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <014201c7ea65$91b05f40$789b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Dan.Strassberg ; Kevin Vahey ; Doug Drown Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > At 12:07 PM 8/28/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >I'm pretty sure that two-way telephone talk had been tried > >(successfully) before WMEX and Jerry Williams did it here. > > I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were > done in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those > experiments in New York, circa 1946. > WENN Pittsburgh, the fictitious station that was the setting of the wonderful American Movie Classics series of several years back, "Remember WENN," devoted an episode to the day WENN "invented" telephone talk. The show was set in 1938-39. Having noticed several other anachronisms in the series (re-creating horse races by reading from what was obviously a recent-vintage copy of the Daily Racing Form was one of them), I doubt any research was done into the existence of telephone talk radio in the late '30s before that episode was produced. Howard From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 29 14:06:49 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:06:49 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <001901c7e78a$94147420$0601000a@KEATING2><46D3149C.9050000@billoneill.us><20070827184031.B70C31B6400@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><000501c7e8dd$83f53490$4aa44c0c@SatU205S5044><4fc429770708271222h1ae1f358pee18bef0d26f626c@mail.gmail.com><004b01c7e976$da2f63a0$6501a8c0@pastor2><4fc429770708280848s7079bd26pfdd498bb8bc7960b@mail.gmail.com><000b01c7e98d$9cb3ad30$29a84c0c@SatU205S5044> <20070828171316.5365744E1BE@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <014201c7ea65$91b05f40$789b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001501c7ea67$619feb70$60a44c0c@SatU205S5044> If I had to guess at the name of the host of the two-way telephone talk show in Philadelphia that I hypothesize became Jerry Willians' inspiration for the format when he got to Boston, it would be Steve Allison. I never heard Steve Allison and I still don't know for sure which Phildelphia station he worked at. I think it was WIP but I have no proof. Allison may have been one of the Philadelphia air personalities who were involved in a scandal of some sort around the time that Williams left for Boston. I don't know the nature of that scandal but my understanding is that Williams was in no way ever implicated. Nevertheless, the timing of Williams' departure provided plenty of grist for the rumor mill up here. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Halper > To: Dan.Strassberg ; Kevin Vahey > ; > Doug Drown > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages > > >> At 12:07 PM 8/28/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >I'm pretty sure that two-way telephone talk had been tried >> >(successfully) before WMEX and Jerry Williams did it here. >> >> I've got research on this that says some experiments with it were >> done in the 1940s. I believe Barry Grant was one who did those >> experiments in New York, circa 1946. >> > > WENN Pittsburgh, the fictitious station that was the setting of the > wonderful American Movie Classics series of several years back, > "Remember > WENN," devoted an episode to the day WENN "invented" telephone talk. > The > show was set in 1938-39. Having noticed several other anachronisms > in the > series (re-creating horse races by reading from what was obviously a > recent-vintage copy of the Daily Racing Form was one of them), I > doubt any > research was done into the existence of telephone talk radio in the > late > '30s before that episode was produced. > > Howard > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 29 14:34:22 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:34:22 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <002d01c7ea65$3eeb6840$6b3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer> References: <8C9B870448C3ED3-9F8-4F4D@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> <002d01c7ea65$3eeb6840$6b3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer> Message-ID: <8C9B8825A64FD19-9F8-5860@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Worked OK here. With long URL's you have to paste the entire link into Notepad and pull out the line-wraps as well as any blanks that may have been inserted between the beginning (http) and the end (.mp3). If that doesn't work, there are links on the following page that should work: (Mark's Boston Area Radio and Music Page) Links are in "Audio Clips - local interest" section about halfway down the page. These files are long and may take some time to download. I would suggest right-mouse-clicking on the link of interest and picking the Save Target As option to put the audio clip on your local disk prior to listening. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wood To: markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 1:51 pm Subject: Re: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages Tried to download these but the url's are not right? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Aug 29 16:15:27 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:15:27 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: <20070829074813.0B40583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070829074813.0B40583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46D5D3DF.8080305@gabrielmass.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > "Washington Post Radio" in DC (including the powerful AM 1500 > signal that can be heard at night here, and maybe in late > afternoon if conditions are right) will be gone next month but > its successor "3WT" (WWWT) will air talk shows including > three conservative-libertarian hosts (Neil Boortz, Bill O'Reilly, > and Glenn Beck)--and one liberal--Stephanie Miller. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/AR2007082801725.html > It's too bad. OTOH, I still miss WTOP at 1500 AM. WaPo Radio wasn't a full-time all-news station, but it had more news content (and less preening) than talk/opinion shows are going to provide. In case anyone's wondering, the Tony Kornheiser Show (featuring the whiny/humorous ESPN commentator) is one of the local shows that will continue with the new format. That's per the Washington Business Journal: http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2007/08/27/daily20.html --RC From me@billoneill.us Wed Aug 29 18:44:39 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:44:39 -0400 Subject: Hello, Jerry? In-Reply-To: <002501c7ea5a$4afefe90$0401a8c0@Family> References: <8C9B86DF618BB85-9F8-4E3C@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> <002501c7ea5a$4afefe90$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <46D5F6D7.1010709@billoneill.us> Chuck Igo wrote: > yes - i wuz a teenage contest pig. And it all worked out. Thanks for sharing, Chuck. We're here for you. You're not alone, buddy. You know, every once in a great while, there is assembled a group of words that, likely, have never been laced together in one sentence. Perhaps that self-disclosure will be included in the author's next great work? :-( Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 30 01:44:52 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:44:52 -0500 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <002701c7ea56$71d303d0$ada64c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770708290819t4be2f5fna8274d5ca4ca6ba1@mail.gmail.com>, <002701c7ea56$71d303d0$ada64c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46D61304.7357.49FE62@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Aug 2007 at 12:05, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Sounds like the Pediatrician either got the former famous number by > luck of the draw or selected it from a list of available > numbers--undoubtedly long after Ken Mayer's demise. Unlikely that > anyone is in the doctor's office really late on weekend nights when > nostalgia buffs--ones who presumably listen to George Noory at the > same hour during the week--might try dialing the 969 number looking > for a connection to Kenny from beyond the grave :>) Note, however, > that since the advent of all of the new area codes in Greater Boston, > you must preface the 969 with 617. In Mayer's day, that was not > necessary if you were calling from eastern Mass. For at least some of Mayer's day, area codes hadn't been invented yet. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 28 15:02:42 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:02:42 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span Message-ID: <20070828190242.434B311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: Talk Show Week On C-Span >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:26:47 -0400 >Bob Nelson wrote: > The Fairness Doctrine was talked about with Indiana Congressman > Mike Pence. Janet was saying that it > wasn't right that talk radio be regulated in such a way: [snip] > By the way, could this happen? "Hello, Radio One? I understand > you have a black > talk radio network. I am from the Ku Klux Klan and I would like equal time... > >My .02? Not a chance. Fuggedaboudit. >Bill O'Neill Just finished watching Ed Schultz's show...right about now Ed and crew are probably munching on cookies donated by Donna from Boston(!); Ed categorically denied that any Democratic panjandrum was actively pursuing reinstatement of the fairness doctrine. He stated that it was Republicans who were waving this red flag in front of their acolytes to get them to believe that their Rush and Sean and Michael would be taken away! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 30 03:12:49 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:12:49 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Week On C-Span Message-ID: <20070830071249.945FE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> What I'd heard was that for this year at least there will be no bringing back the Fairness Doctrine, and Cong. Mike Pence (R-IN) is trying to get the Broadcaster Freedom Act passed which would help prevent it from being brought back (by FCC rule). The consensus is that if a Democrat returns to the White House, she or he may appoint some FCC commissioners who could try to re-instate the F.D. due to a new balance of power at the agency. No doubt both Republican and Democratic politicians are using this issue as red meat/"hot button issues" for their followers (much like the flag burning, gay marriage, and similar issues that pop up right before election time) but they may not be serious about it. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 30 03:16:35 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:16:35 -0500 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Message-ID: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Jessica Heslam of the Herald writes in their site's Messenger blog that Howie Carr's attempt to jump to WTKK is being subject to conditions, ranging from "matching offers" to a waiver of non-compete clauses (I believe Carr's lawyers are saying such clauses are illegal in this state). There are lawsuits all around over various issues. (Keep in mind anything published in the Herald--or Globe-- could well be spin, either from Howie and his camp or WRKO/Entercom...) http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/messengerBlog/ From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 30 07:26:37 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:26:37 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: >Howie Carr's attempt to jump to WTKK is being subject >to conditions, ranging from "matching offers" to a >waiver of non-compete clauses (I believe Carr's lawyers >are saying such clauses are illegal in this state). All WTKK has to do is offer "the opportunity to work at a station without Tom Finneran on the air" Just what Howie wants (his last editorial in the Herald was a scathing attack on Tommy) and probably something Entercom isn't willing to match. If they did match, either they'd have to fire Finneran or put him on a sports show on WEEI. From sid@wrko.com Thu Aug 30 07:45:59 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:45:59 -0600 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages Message-ID: >>For at least some of Mayer's day, area codes hadn't been invented yet.<< Did he start before 1947? According to Wikipedia, the North American Numbering Plan, developed by AT&T, was created that year, and area codes were part of it. They were used exclusively by long-distance operators until late in 1951, but did not come into common use by telephone subscribers until the 1960s. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 08:09:54 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:09:54 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> If you could hear Ken you were in 617. He captured most of Glick's audience because nobody else was on the air on early Monday's except for HDH. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 11:08:06 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:08:06 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> Good point...by the way Tom Taylor's subscription newsletter has Tom saying that Greater can sweeten the pot in the bidding war, and maybe eventually Entercom will have to give up...and he feels that Howie just wants "out" of "the sneaker building" as many of us call WRKO's home (New Balance building). Howie's demands could include: a morning show, on an FM signal that doesn't fade at sunset, a signal where he isn't pre-empted by the Red Sox, and a signal that doesn't have Finneran. WRKO can't match that (only the first one could possibly be matched and that would be if Entercom put talk on one of its FM signals) From brouder@juno.com Thu Aug 30 11:45:27 2007 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:45:27 GMT Subject: Talk shows through the ages Message-ID: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sherm Feller. In 1981 I interviewed him in conjunction with WGIR Manchester's 40th anniversary (he helped put WMUR Radio on the air in the fall of 1941). Sherm said he was hired by WEEI Boston the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked (12/7/41), "where I started the first talk show in America at midnight." He didn't say specifically when he began the all-night talk show. Ed Brouder _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to $250k/ year. http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iigbMN00pQ69VyKVmymzkg37Q7B0QsoWt3kDWbVW1J15SVM13/ From me@billoneill.us Thu Aug 30 11:58:45 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:58:45 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <46D6E935.20403@billoneill.us> brouder@juno.com wrote: > I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sherm Feller. In 1981 I interviewed him in conjunction with WGIR Manchester's 40th anniversary (he helped put WMUR Radio on the air in the fall of 1941). > > Sherm said he was hired by WEEI Boston the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked (12/7/41), "where I started the first talk show in America at midnight." He didn't say specifically when he began the all-night talk show. > > I hear that they were wracked with technical glitches with Sherm's debut. It seems every time Sherm opened his mouth and said anything there was this annoying 1 second echo. And then that zany organ music. Didn't fit the mood. Sad. Bill...bill O'Neill....neill.... From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 12:17:35 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:17:35 -0400 Subject: Is Pixy 103 Hyannis going sports or not? Message-ID: <4fc429770708300917h314c20e5yfeabfcc97817ec21@mail.gmail.com> Scott reported that WPXC Hyannis will be part of the new WEEI/Nassau network but the stations website says the station plans a big 20th birthday bash starting on September 17th. http://www.pixy103.com/ From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Aug 30 12:21:44 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:21:44 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > If you could hear Ken you were in 617. He captured most of Glick's > audience because nobody else was on the air on early Monday's except > for HDH. Oh, Ken had some listeners in the land of 603, too; where else could a kid who was supposed to be asleep from midnight to 2 hear those comedy classics? 92.9's signal wasn't the strongest, and was a little hard to tune on a cheap portable phono-radio, but it did slip across the border. I owe a heartfelt thanks to the proprietors of Ken's at Copley, the Aku-Aku, and Charley's Eating and Drinking Saloon ("thoroughly and totally opposite the Pru"). --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 12:42:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:42:13 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708300942q2cc30f8aob3f0242c2434528@mail.gmail.com> When was Kenny finally picked up by 92.9? For the longest time he was only on 1600 WBOS had a staff announcer in those days with one of the finest set of pipes I have ever heard. His name was Norm Ruby and he was very nice to me when I wandered into the WBOS studios in Kenmore Sq when I was 12 or 13. On 8/30/07, Richard Chonak wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > If you could hear Ken you were in 617. He captured most of Glick's > > audience because nobody else was on the air on early Monday's except > > for HDH. > > Oh, Ken had some listeners in the land of 603, too; where else could a > kid who was supposed to be asleep from midnight to 2 hear those comedy > classics? 92.9's signal wasn't the strongest, and was a little hard to > tune on a cheap portable phono-radio, but it did slip across the border. > > I owe a heartfelt thanks to the proprietors of Ken's at Copley, the > Aku-Aku, and Charley's Eating and Drinking Saloon ("thoroughly and > totally opposite the Pru"). > > --RC > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 30 12:44:59 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:44:59 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Aah, but the issue was who did the first TWO-WAY telephone talk show and where. Almost two decades later, Feller was still doing shows in which he paraphrased and repeated the caller's words over the air. I could be wrong, but I don't believe he EVER did TWO-WAY telephone talk--where the listeners could hear the callers as well as the host, almost live, or live if you don't count the seven-second (or so) delay. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Talk shows through the ages I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sherm Feller. In 1981 I interviewed him in conjunction with WGIR Manchester's 40th anniversary (he helped put WMUR Radio on the air in the fall of 1941). Sherm said he was hired by WEEI Boston the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked (12/7/41), "where I started the first talk show in America at midnight." He didn't say specifically when he began the all-night talk show. Ed Brouder _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to $250k/ year. http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iigbMN00pQ69VyKVmymzkg37Q7B0Q soWt3kDWbVW1J15SVM13/ From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 30 12:50:10 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:50:10 -0500 Subject: Is Pixy 103 Hyannis going sports or not? Message-ID: <20070830165011.57ED31BF2D4@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Maybe the change to sports will happen after the 20th anniversary or maybe one of the "Frank" stations will change instead. I can't remember exactly when this change was to happen but I think "next month" was said--and it's possible the change could be late Sept. or maybe even in Oct. (right in the midst of baseball playoff and Pats talk) -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Aug 30 13:34:07 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:34:07 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c7eb2b$f9d893f0$ed89bbd0$@net> Entercom COULD match that but it wouldn't be fiscally feasible. They could easily give Howie the morning slot and move Finneran to afternoons. That would satisfy two of the four points [Getting Howie to mornings and not having his show preempted by the Sox]. They could dump Finneran. That's doable. But, they would probably take a huge bath on that move because I'm sure Finneran has a pretty good out clause. So, it's not feasible. They can't do anything about WRKO being an AM station. But, they could drop one of their FM music stations - Mike FM and 'AAF are their lowest rated FMs - and make them talk and compete directly with WTKK with talk on the FM. If it was really that important, it would be worth the move. But, that probably wouldn't be feasible either, not just to please Howie. Better to just suck it up and let Howie go and try to rebuild the station with something completely different. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:08 AM To: Roger Kirk Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Howie's demands could include: a morning show, on an FM signal that doesn't fade at sunset, a signal where he isn't pre-empted by the Red Sox, and a signal that doesn't have Finneran. WRKO can't match that (only the first one could possibly be matched and that would be if Entercom put talk on one of its FM signals) From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 30 13:41:58 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:44 PM 8/30/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Aah, but the issue was who did the first TWO-WAY telephone talk show and >where. Almost two decades later, Feller was still doing shows in which he >paraphrased and repeated the caller's words over the air. I could be wrong, >but I don't believe he EVER did TWO-WAY telephone talk--where the listeners >could hear the callers as well as the host, almost live, or live if you >don't count the seven-second (or so) delay. Yes that's how it used to be done-- Ed and Wendy King had a very popular talk show on KDKA in Pittsburgh in the late 40s, if I recall correctly, and that's what they had to do-- paraphrase what the caller said and then reply. SO was that due to technical issues? I mean, in the 1940s, was it impossible technically to put a call on the air and have it sound good? Or was this a carry-over from earlier FCC and FRC decisions? I ask because in the 1920s, the Department of Commerce ruled that calls could NOT be put on the air because they considered that "point to point communication," which was reserved for ham radio... broadcasting was supposed to differentiate itself by reaching out to a mass audience. From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Aug 30 14:01:50 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708300942q2cc30f8aob3f0242c2434528@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770708300942q2cc30f8aob3f0242c2434528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D7060E.9080904@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > When was Kenny finally picked up by 92.9? For the longest time he was > only on 1600 > He was on 92.9 in the mid-'70s, but I don't know when that started. By the way, Ken occasionally took phone calls on the air, and only his side of the conversation was broadcast: it was one of the few one-way call-in shows I ever heard. --RC From songbook2@comcast.net Thu Aug 30 14:45:44 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:45:44 -0700 Subject: Sherm Feller Message-ID: <46D71058.8010300@comcast.net> Sherm Feller did a lot better at WCOP 1150AM in their Copley Square studios - where, incidentally, Marty (now Martin) Bookspan preceded Sherm's nightly show with a classical music program - imagine that, classical music on the AM dial, just like that 1330AM WCRB's Charles River Broadcasting - (anything "Charles River" sounded elite in Boston back then). Sherm also came across just great at WVDA 1260AM in the Bradford Hotel studios (maybe the same radio studios for the early WBZ?) He had a telephone hooked up with delay and everything! Then ...."boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen... now... batting...number...forty-two....." his Fenway Park PA job sitting the the stands with his cowboy hat, sunglasses and a hand-held mic watching the Red Sox with his feet up on the seat in front of him. There will never be another like Sherm - or Norm Nathan, weekends on 'BZ overnight from the "Teen Canteen." But then, you all were asking about "early" talk-show people, nes pa? Ah, Le Temps Des Fleurs, mes amis! =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net PS// I remember hearing Ken Mayer on WVOM 1600AM "The Voice Of Massachusetts" - well,not exactly all of the State - (pre-WBOS,WUNR) in1949 when they began their first broadcasts. He did a late night remote from The Hotel Commander in Cambridge. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 30 15:29:21 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:29:21 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages References: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com><4fc429770708300942q2cc30f8aob3f0242c2434528@mail.gmail.com> <46D7060E.9080904@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7eb3c$18c865a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> You're showing your age--or, actually, the lack thereof! Before there was two-way telephone talk on the radio, the only telephone talk that was broadcast was the one-way kind you described--and quite a few people did it in a lot of markets. Nevertheless, two-way telephone talk didn't really take off until you could hear both the callers and the host on the air. It's pretty obvious why. It was very hard to make it interesting. To hear what the caller was saying, the host had to remain silent--except for the ritual "uh-huh" every so often. That led to long pauses that really spoiled the pacing of the show, It could drive listeners nuts--but worse yet, it would drive them away--in droves! As for Donna's question about whether two-way talk was technically impractical until the '50s, I think the answer is that it was practical LONG before that--as long as the station was willing to to air calls without the legal protection of the seven-second delay. The delay didn't become practical until the late '40s when commercial tape recorders became available. Were there FCC restrictions on airing both sides of the conversation and did those restrictions impede the development of two-way telephone talk as a radio format? I think the answer is yes on both counts. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: Re: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages < only his > side of the conversation was broadcast: it was one of the few one-way > call-in shows I ever heard. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 30 15:43:59 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:43:59 -0500 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Message-ID: <20070830194359.3D98249B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >>They could easily give Howie the morning slot and move Finneran to afternoons... They could dump Finneran. That's doable. But, they would probably take a huge bath on that move Good points >>they could drop one of their FM music stations - Mike FM and 'AAF are their lowest rated FMs - and make them talk and compete directly with WTKK with talk on the FM. If it was really that important, it would be worth the move. But, that probably wouldn't be feasible either, not just to please Howie. Exactly...or perhaps they could relaunch WRKO as a "talk FM" at 93.7 (north of town) and 97.7 (south of town) or shift WCRB (they now own half of it and could buy more) somewhere else (97.7?) and have talk at 99.5. Unlikely but stranger things have happened. From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 30 16:47:48 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:47:48 -0500 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net>, <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D6E6A4.31550.4A5A8BC@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Aug 2007 Bob Nelson wrote: > Howie's demands could include: a morning show, on an FM signal that > doesn't fade at sunset, a signal where he isn't pre-empted by the Red > Sox, and a signal that doesn't have Finneran. WRKO can't match that > (only the first one could possibly be matched and that would be if > Entercom put talk on one of its FM signals) This, in turn, depends on how his contract defines "match an offer." If it does. Usually we think of matching an offer as matching the money part of the offer. If "match" includes the non-money aspects, it could be all over for Entercom. But if not, or if the contract is ambiguous, there could be years of litigation ahead. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Thu Aug 30 15:48:32 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:48:32 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <000d01c7eb3c$18c865a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708300509u7d193524p3b2299db5a85954f@mail.gmail.com> <46D6EE98.8060300@gabrielmass.com><4fc429770708300942q2cc30f8aob3f0242c2434528@mail.gmail.com> <46D7060E.9080904@gabrielmass.com> <000d01c7eb3c$18c865a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46D71F10.8000706@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > the host had to remain silent--except for the ritual > "uh-huh" every so often. That led to long pauses that really spoiled the > pacing of the show, It could drive listeners nuts--but worse yet, it would > drive them away--in droves! That has to rank up there with live radio broadcasts of parades. "Get a load of that!" Leave it to the Clydesdales every time. Bill O'Neill From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 30 17:49:52 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:49:52 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com>, <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Aug 2007 Donna Halper wrote: > Yes that's how it used to be done-- Ed and Wendy King had a very > popular talk show on KDKA in Pittsburgh in the late 40s, if I recall > correctly, and that's what they had to do-- paraphrase what the caller > said and then reply. SO was that due to technical issues? I mean, in > the 1940s, was it impossible technically to put a call on the air and > have it sound good? Or was this a carry-over from earlier FCC and FRC > decisions? I ask because in the 1920s, the Department of Commerce > ruled that calls could NOT be put on the air because they considered > that "point to point communication," which was reserved for ham > radio... broadcasting was supposed to differentiate itself by reaching > out to a mass audience. Another issue is, how would they have done a delay in those days? Back in my days at WMUA in the 1960s, the delay was done by running a reel-to-reel tape between two tape recorders that were side-by-side in the studio deck. The tape went from the supply reel on one machine to the record head on that machine, which recorded the program, then it went to the playback head of the second machine, where it was played back over the air, and then to the takeup reel on the second machine. I'm sure there are far more sophisticated ways of accomplishing the delay on talk shows today, but how could it have been done in the days before magnetic tape? And, if they could legally and technically put a phone call over the air, would they have taken the risk that a member of the public might say something which, by the stricter standards of those times, should not go over the air? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 30 17:01:15 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:01:15 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net>, <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> <46D6E6A4.31550.4A5A8BC@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001501c7eb48$ebd31380$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Just imagine if matching GM's offer were interpreted to mean that Entercom had to provide Carr with the AM-drive time slot on an FM station that transmiited from the top of the Pru with an ERP equivalent to 50 kW at 150m. I think even Carr himself and Greater Media's attorneys could understand that that would be going too far. (I believe that all of the stations on top of the Pru belong to GM.) However, one has to wonder what kind of job a talk host would do if he were so embittered with the management he was compelled to work for. My guess is that if Entercom were to prevail in court, Carr would find an approach to his job that--especially in view of his "day" job at the Herald--would leave Entercom with no alternative but to fire him and he would do so in a way that would attract a tremendous amount of negative publicity for Entercom and WRKO and positive publicity for himself and WTKK ;>) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue > On 30 Aug 2007 Bob Nelson wrote: > > > Howie's demands could include: a morning show, on an FM signal that > > doesn't fade at sunset, a signal where he isn't pre-empted by the Red > > Sox, and a signal that doesn't have Finneran. WRKO can't match that > > (only the first one could possibly be matched and that would be if > > Entercom put talk on one of its FM signals) > > This, in turn, depends on how his contract defines "match an offer." > If it does. Usually we think of matching an offer as matching the > money part of the offer. If "match" includes the non-money aspects, > it could be all over for Entercom. But if not, or if the contract is > ambiguous, there could be years of litigation ahead. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 30 17:03:38 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:03:38 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com>, <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <46D730AA.2070007@ttlc.net> >Another issue is, how would they have done a delay in those days? I'm sure there are far >more sophisticated ways of accomplishing the delay on talk shows today, but how could >it have been done in the days before magnetic tape? And, if they could legally and technically >put a phone call over the air, would they have taken the risk that a member of the public >might say something which, by the stricter standards of those times, should not go over the air? I seem to recall while I was working there in the early 70's, WRKO used to put call-in contest winners on the air without benefit of delay. I don't recall there ever being a problem. Just Lucky? Donna? From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 17:08:22 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And knowing how some station owners behave if it cost more than 50 cents they wouldn't have been interested even if the technology was available. Think the battle to get color TV - inevitably one station was an early adapter, one did it only when the B&W camera and film chain literally died and the others muddled along adding parts when they could budget it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 17:08:22 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And knowing how some station owners behave if it cost more than 50 cents they wouldn't have been interested even if the technology was available. Think the battle to get color TV - inevitably one station was an early adapter, one did it only when the B&W camera and film chain literally died and the others muddled along adding parts when they could budget it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From me@billoneill.us Thu Aug 30 17:20:34 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:20:34 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <001501c7eb48$ebd31380$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net>, <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> <46D6E6A4.31550.4A5A8BC@Joe.attorneyross.com> <001501c7eb48$ebd31380$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46D734A2.3020207@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > JMy guess is > that if Entercom were to prevail in court, Carr would find an approach to > his job that--especially in view of his "day" job at the Herald--would leave > Entercom with no alternative but to fire him and he would do so in a way > that would attract a tremendous amount of negative publicity for Entercom > and WRKO and positive publicity for himself and WTKK ;>) Open Memo to Howie: Hey, Howie, where's Whitey when you need him? I'm sure he'd have a solution to your problem. (Couldn't resist as I am rounding-third in The Brothers Bulger. Great read.) Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 17:21:58 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:58 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <46D730AA.2070007@ttlc.net> References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com> <001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> <46D730AA.2070007@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708301421s6e36e9w514e926ff664afd4@mail.gmail.com> I called Larry King one night on CNN and my wife told me NO DELAY. This was in 1991 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 17:24:28 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708301424m688b5e13he98e4aa0375be9ab@mail.gmail.com> That was WMUR 40 years ago. On 8/30/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > And knowing how some station owners behave if it cost > more than 50 cents they wouldn't have been interested > even if the technology was available. Think the battle > to get color TV - inevitably one station was an early > adapter, one did it only when the B&W camera and film > chain literally died and the others muddled along > adding parts when they could budget it. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 30 18:01:59 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:01:59 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708301424m688b5e13he98e4aa0375be9ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <46D6F530.21892.4DE7B4D@Joe.attorneyross.com> <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770708301424m688b5e13he98e4aa0375be9ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D73E57.3090902@ttlc.net> Maureen Carney wrote: >And knowing how some station owners behave if it cost more than 50 cents they wouldn't >have been interested even if the technology was available. One station owner (on the North Shore) when told by his engineer that their only cart machine needed a transistor (and could he buy one), he told the engineer "just take one of the transistors out of my personal pocket transistor radio." From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Aug 30 18:57:06 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:57:06 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018401c7eb59$183483e0$0200a8c0@Office> I called the Chuck Harder Show one day while I was in the studio waiting for his show to finish so I could start my "Afternoon Live" show since I felt bad for Chuck because he wasn't getting any calls and suddenly realized that I was on the air live - the show wasn't delayed before it came down the network! Ryan Johnson our WCAP program director was next to me and he was as amazed as I was - a network show with NO delay! -Gary Francis From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 30 20:19:42 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:19:42 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <018401c7eb59$183483e0$0200a8c0@Office> References: <165657.82018.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <018401c7eb59$183483e0$0200a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <20070831001945.AFDC044FB84@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 06:57 PM 8/30/2007, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: >I called the Chuck Harder Show one day while I was in the studio waiting for >his show to finish so I could start my "Afternoon Live" show since I felt >bad for Chuck because he wasn't getting any calls and suddenly realized that >I was on the air live - the show wasn't delayed before it came down the >network! When Ed Schultz is run live (which he is on a number of stations), he doesn't screen calls, although he does have a producer who gets your name and your city. So what did you and Chuck talk about? Black helicopters? UFOs? ;-) From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Thu Aug 30 20:39:40 2007 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:39:40 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> References: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> Message-ID: "Washington Post Radio" in DC (including the powerful AM 1500 signal that can be heard at night here, and maybe in late afternoon if conditions are right) will be gone next month but its successor "3WT" (WWWT) will air talk shows including three conservative-libertarian hosts (Neil Boortz, Bill O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck)--and one liberal--Stephanie Miller. Nothing said about Jim Bohannon, who is on after Nats games. I'd hope they keep him. Can't stand Boortz. From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Aug 30 21:46:58 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:46:58 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: References: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> Message-ID: <46D77312.7060204@gabrielmass.com> > "Washington Post Radio" in DC (including the powerful AM 1500 > signal that can be heard at night here, and maybe in late > afternoon if conditions are right) will be gone next month but > its successor "3WT" (WWWT) will air talk shows There is or was (?) a WWWT in Vermont; is it still out there? --rc From cohasset@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 30 22:03:44 2007 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:03:44 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: <8C9B870448C3ED3-9F8-4F4D@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9B870448C3ED3-9F8-4F4D@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Aug 29, 2007, at 12:24 PM, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > I have uploaded airchecks of Kenny Mayer at the following URL's: > > These were recorded by me in Arlington, MA in 1966 when I was in > high school. Along the same lines, does anyone have any idea where I might find some air checks of George Lorenz as "The Hound" specifically from his stints on WKBW in the 50s? Bud Hippisley From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 31 00:23:12 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:23:12 -0500 Subject: WO9-8989 was Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D75160.11891.32E1C1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Aug 2007 at 5:45, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Did he start before 1947? According to Wikipedia, the North American > Numbering Plan, developed by AT&T, was created that year, and area > codes were part of it. They were used exclusively by long-distance > operators until late in 1951, but did not come into common use by > telephone subscribers until the 1960s. I didn't know they existed for internal use before that, but the first time the general public heard of area codes was when direct distance dialing was introduced, I think around 1958 or 59. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 01:23:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:23:33 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: <46D77312.7060204@gabrielmass.com> References: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> <46D77312.7060204@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708302223y55d8c0f2k9c2a54fdc7e6fc57@mail.gmail.com> Not under those calls; the former WWWT 1320 Randolph VT is now religious as WTSJ. From HeritageRadio@msn.com Fri Aug 31 01:45:02 2007 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:45:02 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com><001701c7eb25$1ec82920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: Think Russ (Butler) is thinking of Jim Fitzgerald who did a 40's music / telephone calls (one-way) show at midnight on WVOM live from the Hotel Commander weeknights. He always answered the callers: "Hello Telephone!" Don't think the WVDA Hotel Bradford studio were in the old WBZ studios. One was on the 6th floor and the other was on the 10th floor - can't remember which was which. Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com 8/30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Dan Strassberg ; brouder@juno.com ; Roger Kirk Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Talk shows through the ages At 12:44 PM 8/30/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Aah, but the issue was who did the first TWO-WAY telephone talk show and >where. Almost two decades later, Feller was still doing shows in which he >paraphrased and repeated the caller's words over the air. I could be wrong, >but I don't believe he EVER did TWO-WAY telephone talk--where the listeners >could hear the callers as well as the host, almost live, or live if you >don't count the seven-second (or so) delay. Yes that's how it used to be done-- Ed and Wendy King had a very popular talk show on KDKA in Pittsburgh in the late 40s, if I recall correctly, and that's what they had to do-- paraphrase what the caller said and then reply. SO was that due to technical issues? I mean, in the 1940s, was it impossible technically to put a call on the air and have it sound good? Or was this a carry-over from earlier FCC and FRC decisions? I ask because in the 1920s, the Department of Commerce ruled that calls could NOT be put on the air because they considered that "point to point communication," which was reserved for ham radio... broadcasting was supposed to differentiate itself by reaching out to a mass audience. From readaaron@friedbagels.com Thu Aug 30 01:21:23 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:21:23 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal Message-ID: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> I've been out in the Finger Lakes region of NY recently and noticed I could hear the Sox on WTIC 1080 for most of the drive between there and Boston (along I-90), as long as it was after dark. However, I also noticed that the skywave reception was VERY in-and-out for the entire drive...even the part of I-90 through Springfield, where one would think WTIC should come in just fine. But alas, not really...there's just as much static, hash and fade there as there is in frickin' Syracuse. I'm relatively new to AM DX'ing, but this strikes me as odd? Is there a particular reason why it'd come in at all so far away, but not improve even when so much closer? -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 30 16:26:04 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:26:04 -0500 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Message-ID: <20070830202604.3C0AB1CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Roger Kirk" , "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:47:48 -0500 >On 30 Aug 2007 Bob Nelson wrote: > Howie's demands could include: a morning show, on an FM signal that > doesn't fade at sunset, Hold it...we're not talking about WXKS-AM or WTTT here. WRKO runs 50,000 watts at 680 on-the-dial at night, thus it's no slouch after sunset. I've listened to it at night on the streets of Manchester, NH and on the Capes (i.e. Cod, Ann and Elizabeth...never been to Cape Pogue but I'm sure it can be heard there at night too). There's no doubt the null to the west is tough...just try hearing a useable signal in the parking lot of the Wayside Inn in Sudbury (and the closer WEEI-AM 850 is not much better). One time, when I was co-hosting a "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob Bittner said he possessed or saw a population density map of the Boston urban area from before the buildout of arterial roads, and the population at that time dropped precipitously one you got past Waltham. Thus when the antenna designs were made for those outlets, as the original WEEI-AM at 590 and the old WNAC-AM 1260, WCOP-AM 1150, and WMEX-AM 1510, only minimal signals were sent west. Obviously the presence of protected stations all figure into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the operators of WEEI-590, WLAW, WCOP, and WMEX just didn'r foresee the westward migration of the Metro Boston population. S I D E B A R Boston AM stations' patterns might have been predicated on a large coastal population, but one thing than impressed me about the original Big Three in Providence was how WPRO-630, WEAN-790 and WJAR-920 beamed their signals west from East Providence right toward the mainland rather than from some point west of Providence toward the Atlantic (a la WRNI-AM 1290 today) They must have lost some audience at night in Fall River, New Bedford and Taunton. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From keithlavon@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 20:54:03 2007 From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:54:03 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: References: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> Message-ID: <3c6f0dce0708301754h50071544s8c427dbec373891a@mail.gmail.com> Washington Nationals will remain on the network, Washington Capitals just announced today that they will be on 3WT as well. On 8/30/07, David Moisan wrote: > > "Washington Post Radio" in DC (including the powerful AM 1500 > signal that can be heard at night here, and maybe in late > afternoon if conditions are right) will be gone next month but > its successor "3WT" (WWWT) will air talk shows including > three conservative-libertarian hosts (Neil Boortz, Bill O'Reilly, > and Glenn Beck)--and one liberal--Stephanie Miller. > > Nothing said about Jim Bohannon, who is on after Nats games. I'd hope > they keep him. Can't stand Boortz. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 01:36:34 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:36:34 -0400 Subject: Successor to Wash Post radio disclosed In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0708301754h50071544s8c427dbec373891a@mail.gmail.com> References: <63143BD773254ACE92CA2D476C532F03@dot.loc> <3c6f0dce0708301754h50071544s8c427dbec373891a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708302236q6df31501oc7a17d5791f600e4@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like they're doing the "talk all day, sports (play by play) at night" deal. If they tape delay shows like Stephanie Miller they may get a lot of pre-emptions. (Just ask Severin, whose syndie effort was barely heard on WPHT due to Phillies games) On 8/30/07, Keith Lavon wrote: > Washington Nationals will remain on the network, Washington Capitals just > announced today that they will be on 3WT as well. From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Aug 31 02:06:56 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WTIC night signal Message-ID: <12782779.1188540416531.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Aaron Read > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:21:23 -0400 > Subject: WTIC night signal > > However, I also noticed that the skywave reception > was VERY in-and-out for the entire drive...even the > part of I-90 through Springfield, where one would > think WTIC should come in just fine. But alas, not > really...there's just as much static, hash and fade > there as there is in frickin' Syracuse. > > I'm relatively new to AM DX'ing, but this strikes me > as odd? Is there a particular reason why it'd come > in at all so far away, but not improve even when so > much closer? Yes, it's because you were probably "in between" the skywave and the strong radius of the groundwave. It's only about 30 or 40 miles from Hartford to Springfield. That's too close for skywave, which is signals reflecting off the ionosphere which come back to Earth farther away than that, typically. You're still getting skywave in Syracuse and farther out, but as close as Springfield, you're no longer getting skywave and you're now relying on mainly groundwave, and apparently WTIC's groundwave night signal isn't very good in that area. Though it doesn't have a deep or sharp null in that direction, it may be somewhat directional against that area at night. The most pronounced example of what I'm talking about that I can think of in this area is WWZN 1510, which cannot be heard in their nighttime null on groundwave in Framingham, but even in their null direction, they catch some skywave and can often be heard at night (though poorly) farther out in the same direction. I've heard them at night out in southern Connecticut and upstate New York better than they can be heard in Natick or Framingham. EP From sid@wrko.com Fri Aug 31 06:56:58 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:56:58 -0600 Subject: *SPAM 50* - :Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Message-ID: >>One time, when I was co-hosting a "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob Bittner said he possessed or saw a population density map of the Boston urban area from before the buildout of arterial roads, and the population at that time dropped precipitously one you got past Waltham. Thus when the antenna designs were made for those outlets<< Not entirely. While population to be served certainly is a factor, so is skywave protection of the (at the time) 1-A signals. WRKO's nulls protect KNBR/SF, and WEEI's protect KOA/Denver. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Fri Aug 31 07:00:19 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:00:19 -0600 Subject: *SPAM 50* - :Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue Message-ID: >>One time, when I was co-hosting a "Let's Talk About Radio", Bob Bittner said he possessed or saw a population density map of the Boston urban area from before the buildout of arterial roads, and the population at that time dropped precipitously one you got past Waltham. Thus when the antenna designs were made for those outlets, as the original WEEI-AM at 590 and the old WNAC-AM 1260, WCOP-AM 1150, and WMEX-AM 1510, only minimal signals were sent west.<< Not entirely. While the population to be served by those signals is certainly a factor, so is skywave protection of the (at the time) 1-A signals on those frequencies. WRKO's nulls protect KNBR/SF, WEEI's protect KOA/Denver, and WMEX's protect WLAC/Nashville. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 31 07:41:30 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:41:30 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <000f01c7ebc3$e4f54da0$86a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Remember too, that WTIC changes from ND to its night pattern not at Hartford sunset but at Dallas TX (KRLD) sunset. There are a few other ex-Class IBs in a similar situation: WCKY (Sacramento CA sunset) and WQEW (Bakersfield CA sunset). KFAB siwtches off night pattern at Charlotte NC sunrise. I suspect that there is some difference in WTIC's skywave in western NY at Dallas sunset. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: WTIC night signal > I've been out in the Finger Lakes region of NY recently and noticed > I could hear the Sox on WTIC 1080 for most of the drive between > there and Boston (along I-90), as long as it was after dark. > > However, I also noticed that the skywave reception was VERY > in-and-out for the entire drive...even the part of I-90 through > Springfield, where one would think WTIC should come in just fine. > But alas, not really...there's just as much static, hash and fade > there as there is in frickin' Syracuse. > > I'm relatively new to AM DX'ing, but this strikes me as odd? Is > there a particular reason why it'd come in at all so far away, but > not improve even when so much closer? > -- > > -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02446-2204 From map@mapinternet.com Fri Aug 31 08:06:18 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:06:18 -0400 Subject: Fate of Howie Carr Affiliates? Message-ID: <009401c7ebc7$56dafd40$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Any guesses as to the fate of Howie's program on the affiliates if he moves over to WTKK?-WHYN, WVMT, etc. He has a pretty good following in Springfield. Mark Casey, K1MAP From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 31 08:11:10 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:11:10 -0400 Subject: *SPAM 50* - :Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue References: Message-ID: <001901c7ebc8$08b366b0$86a34c0c@SatU205S5044> But it's even more complicated that that! Because of the required protections to stations to the west, nearly all Class B AMs in the east must directionalize to the east (at least at night) and, therefore, must be sited west of their COLs. Even WRKO's largely north-south patterns conform to that rule; the radiation--even by day--to the west is much less than that to the east. In WRKO's case, Hildreth had to serve the then WLAW's then CoL of Lawrence in addition to the community he was REALLY targeting--Boston. AND in those days, an AM had to deliver at least 25 mV/m to its CoL's "principal business district" (later interpreted as the main post office). Because of the abysmal soil conductivity in southeastern New England, what was then WHDH (AM) could not run ND days because the signal in downtown Boston would have been inadequate. Similarly, WLAW HAD to have a north-south pattern to deliver an adequate signal to both Boston and Lawrence. Remember too, that when WLAW moved from Andover to Burlington in 1947, it ran DA-1 (with the current night pattern) and the lack of coverage of what is now known as MetroWest was not considered a major problem because the population density out there was not very great. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "Laurence Glavin" ; "Roger Kirk" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: *SPAM 50* - :Re: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue >>>One time, when I was co-hosting a "Let's Talk About > Radio", Bob Bittner said he possessed or saw a population density > map > of the Boston urban area from before the buildout of arterial roads, > and the population at that time dropped precipitously one you got > past > > Waltham. Thus when the antenna designs were made for those outlets<< > > Not entirely. While population to be served certainly is a factor, > so > is skywave protection of the (at the time) 1-A signals. WRKO's > nulls > protect KNBR/SF, and WEEI's protect KOA/Denver. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF > WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 31 09:32:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:32:16 -0500 Subject: Fate of Howie Carr Affiliates? Message-ID: <20070831133216.CE42D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Any guesses as to the fate of Howie's program on the affiliates if he moves over to WTKK?-WHYN, WVMT, etc. He has a pretty good following in Springfield. Nearly all of his stations have local morning shows: WVMT (Charlie and Ernie), WCRN (Peter Blute), WGAN in Portland, WXTK on the Cape (Ed Lambert), WNTK in the Lake Sunapee region of N.H., WHYN Holyoke, WVOM in Bangor, ME. It's up to them to decide whether they'd want to clear Howie in the morning and move their morning host(s) to pm drive, or possibly pick up Howie tape delayed at 3 or 4 pm--provided Greater Media decides to syndicate him. WEGP in Presque Isle, ME still has Howie according to their site; they do syndie in the morning and could clear him... Again, it's up to these stations to decide whether they'd want to pick him up in am drive and perhaps displace the morning show to afternoons, or do him tape delayed. WCRN could put Blute in afternoons, for example, and pick up Howie live. From map@mapinternet.com Fri Aug 31 09:45:13 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> WTIC suffers from nightitme skywave cancelling some evenings, but not most, up to about 20 miles from the TX site and the Pike is about 25-30 miles north at it's closest point near Springfield. In contrast, WBZ's ground wave signal starts having night skywave problems between Sturbridge and Palmer, which is more like 75-85 miles from Hull. It's often hard to listen to WBZ at night in Springfield, but they have a great signal when you get to pure skywave 150+ miles out. For example: Signal for signal, on average, at any time of year, WBZ's night signal is the best of all the 50kw AM's on the dial at our favorite vacation spot in coastal North Carolina-usually with very little fading, easy to listen to. On the Howie subject: Interestingly enough WRKO sends some small amount of signal west at night. It seems to me that 30 years ago there was virtually no WRKO night signal in the Springfield area, but for at least the last 20 there has been as weak signal here at night. Did WRKO have a pattern change somewhere in the 80's? (1510 comes in at night out here now, and they never used to in the 1960's and early 70's.) All in all, I don't see that the difference between a full Boston FM signal and WRKO is that much. Mark Casey K1MAP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" Subject: WTIC night signal . > > However, I also noticed that the skywave reception was VERY in-and-out for > the entire drive...even the part of I-90 through Springfield, where one > would think WTIC should come in just fine. From scott@fybush.com Fri Aug 31 10:44:00 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:44:00 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal In-Reply-To: <000f01c7ebc3$e4f54da0$86a34c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <000f01c7ebc3$e4f54da0$86a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46D82930.2090709@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Remember too, that WTIC changes from ND to its night pattern not at > Hartford sunset but at Dallas TX (KRLD) sunset. There are a few other > ex-Class IBs in a similar situation: WCKY (Sacramento CA sunset) and > WQEW (Bakersfield CA sunset). KFAB siwtches off night pattern at > Charlotte NC sunrise. I suspect that there is some difference in > WTIC's skywave in western NY at Dallas sunset. I've never noticed much of a difference - and I listen to WTIC often at night, for Sox games. s From mamros@MIT.EDU Fri Aug 31 10:50:24 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:50:24 -0400 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:41:58 EDT." <20070830174201.519EB6A606E@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <200708311450.l7VEoOut017008@no-knife.mit.edu> >Yes that's how it used to be done-- Ed and Wendy King had a very >popular talk show on KDKA in Pittsburgh in the late 40s, if I recall >correctly, and that's what they had to do-- paraphrase what the >caller said and then reply. SO was that due to technical issues? I >mean, in the 1940s, was it impossible technically to put a call on >the air and have it sound good? Or was this a carry-over from earlier >FCC and FRC decisions? [...] The Kings' "Party Line" program ran from 1951 until Ed's passing in 1971. By most accounts I've seen, two-way talk was technically feasible at the time, but Ed chose to do the show the old-fashioned way and didn't air the callers' voices. By all accounts, the show was very popular in spite of that. Regarding technical feasibility... I suppose one could do an extremely low-tech two-way talk show with two phones in the studio - one which the show host would be using, the other an extension with a microphone attached to the earpiece - but it would sound atrocious, because you'd get both the host's and the caller's voice over the phone, and it wouldn't mix well at all with the host's mic. The device which solves this problem is called a telephone hybrid; it splits the local (show host's) voice signal from the remote (caller's) voice, and allows the latter to be wired directly to a mixng console. I've been trying to look up an invention date for the telephone hybrid, but haven't had any luck so far. It's that device, more than any other, which makes modern two-way talk possible; knowing when the first one was built would tell us when two-way talk shows became practical to do. As others have said, one can technically do a talk show without a delay device, and strictly speaking, there's no legal requirement to have one. It's just that the license holder is still held responsible for everything that gets said on the air, regardless of whether it comes from a station announcer or an outside caller. Since it's difficult to put that much trust in the callers, most stations and networks prefer having the delay. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From songbook2@comcast.net Fri Aug 31 12:06:20 2007 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:06:20 -0700 Subject: Talk show "beep" Message-ID: <46D83C7C.4040201@comcast.net> The early talk shows had an audible "beep" (every ten seconds, was it?) to let the caller and listeners know that the conversation was being recorded or that it was on the air live. Did it the seven-second delay replace the "beep" or was that much later on? Also, did that "beep" come from the recording equipment or some other technical mechanism in the phone line set up? I remember some comedians would refer to the telephone "beep" in their routine. When was the "beep"finally eliminated from onair conversations? It must have been a legal issue of protecting privacy rights to remove/replace that "beep" notifier to callers with the delay button and a seven-second delay protection in addition to controlling obscenity speak. (Look how onair language is today, Howard Stern et al notwithstanding!) =Russ songbook2@comcast.net From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Aug 31 12:06:36 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:06:36 -0400 Subject: Fate of Howie Carr Affiliates? In-Reply-To: <20070831133216.CE42D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070831133216.CE42D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200708311606.l7VG6VId026806@mac.com> At 09:32 AM 8/31/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>Any guesses as to the fate of Howie's program on the affiliates if >he moves over to WTKK?-WHYN, WVMT, etc. He has a pretty good >following in Springfield. > It's up to them to decide whether they'd want to clear >Howie in the morning and move their morning host(s) to pm drive, or >possibly pick up Howie >tape delayed at 3 or 4 pm--provided Greater Media decides to syndicate him. Which raises the question: Is Greater Media even in the syndication business? Do they syndicate any of their shows? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 31 12:26:38 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:26:38 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <000f01c7ebc3$e4f54da0$86a34c0c@SatU205S5044> <46D82930.2090709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001d01c7ebeb$bdf524f0$40a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Hi, Scott: Well, you can report what you've heard; I can only report what you theoretically should have heard ;>) You don't live very far from WHTK, right? Anyhow, that was my recollection, so I used WHTK as a proxy for NERW Central. (WHTK also happened to be a station whose calls I remembered.) According to AMSTNS, WTIC's inverse-distance field in that direction drops from 2617 mV/m @ 1 km (ND) before Dallas sunset to 1402 mV/m after Dallas sunset. That's a reduction of almost 2:1, which is equivalent to a power cut to 28.7% of the daytime power. Skywave fades are, of course, the equivalent of much more than 4x power variations, but the average signal after the night pattern goes on should be perceptably weaker than the ND signal. And there must be something to that--at least in theory. WOAP in Michigan had applied for 50 kW-D and some lower night power DA-2 (six towers day and night, IIRC). I don't know the current status of that app, but the station had volunteered in its application to go dark between its local (Michigan) sunset and Dallas sunset if doing so was necessary to protect WTIC's skywave service during those nighttime hours when WTIC operates ND. The idea was that WOAP's proposed night pattern and power were supposed to protect WTIC's skywave service when WTIC was operating directionally but could not do so when WTIC was operating ND after Hartford sunset. In fact, WOAP may be located WITHIN WTIC's 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour when WTIC operates ND after Hartford sunset! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Aaron Read" ; Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: WTIC night signal > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Remember too, that WTIC changes from ND to its night pattern not at >> Hartford sunset but at Dallas TX (KRLD) sunset. There are a few >> other >> ex-Class IBs in a similar situation: WCKY (Sacramento CA sunset) >> and >> WQEW (Bakersfield CA sunset). KFAB siwtches off night pattern at >> Charlotte NC sunrise. I suspect that there is some difference in >> WTIC's skywave in western NY at Dallas sunset. > > I've never noticed much of a difference - and I listen to WTIC often > at night, for Sox games. > > s From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Aug 31 12:47:48 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:47:48 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9BA05CC701D4E-D9C-111A@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> The problem is that "somewhat close" to an AM station you are getting a combination of its groundwave and skywave. Very close (on land within about 15 miles up around 1600 kHz, 40 miles down around 550; and at least triple those distances over seawater) the groundwave predominates. Vertical antennas tend to put little signal straight up; furthermore, the ionosphere is a poorer reflector on high-angle incidence. Near the station there is a "skip zone" where skywave is weak. This is typically within about 60 miles. Beyond that the take-off angle is lower so the antenna and ionosphere are both working more efficiently to provide a good bounced-back signal. Strongest skip is typically at 150 to 500 miles from the transmitter. Much greater distance can be covered (including "longpath" - more than halfway around the world - in several documented cases). But we're mainly concerned with entertainment-quality program listening here, not hardcore DX. When you're in the 40 to 120 mile distance range on land, or somewhat greater on water, the groundwave and skywave signals can destructively interfere with each other, resulting in reception that is both inferior to what can be had 200+ miles out and, obviously, also to what can be had close to the transmitter. If the skywave and groundwave signals stayed in phase with each other, this would not be a problem. But, of course, they don't since the effective height of the ionospheric reflection point is always bouncing around. Typically this would be at about 75 miles up but it can vary a lot, even within a matter of seconds. Knowing this, it is entirely expected that WTIC would have a poorer night signal in the Berkshires of western MA than farther out in upstate NY, Ontario, etc. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << I've been out in the Finger Lakes region of NY recently and noticed I could hear the Sox on WTIC 1080 for most of the drive between there and Boston (along I-90), as long as it was after dark. However, I also noticed that the skywave reception was VERY in-and-out for the entire drive...even the part of I-90 through Springfield, where one would think WTIC should come in just fine. But alas, not really...there's just as much static, hash and fade there as there is in frickin' Syracuse. I'm relatively new to AM DX'ing, but this strikes me as odd? Is there a particular reason why it'd come in at all so far away, but not improve even when so much closer? -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 >> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Aug 31 02:08:18 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:08:18 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal In-Reply-To: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <18135.45138.730034.117664@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm relatively new to AM DX'ing, but this strikes me as odd? Is there a > particular reason why it'd come in at all so far away, but not improve > even when so much closer? Well, at some point (for example, around Springfield in the case of WTIC), you begin to get destructive interference between the groundwave and skywave signals. Ground conductivity in New England is pathetic, and WTIC's site (built for nationwide skywave service, not local coverage) on top of a ridge in Avon doesn't help matters. Of course, remember that WTIC is DA-L:KRLD, not a strict DA-N, so where that interference zone is depends on whether it's before or after Dallas sunset. -GAWollman (writing today from western Idaho, where the Boise Hawks defeated the Spokane Indians 8-7) From mamros@MIT.EDU Fri Aug 31 14:23:22 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:23:22 -0400 Subject: Talk show "beep" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:06:20 PDT." <46D83C7C.4040201@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200708311823.l7VINNWR002303@no-knife.mit.edu> >The early talk shows had an audible "beep" (every ten seconds, was it?) >to let the caller and listeners know that the conversation was being >recorded or that it was on the air live. Did it the seven-second delay >replace the "beep" or was that much later on? Seven-second delay had nothing to do with replacing the "beep". The "beep" was a legal requirement (for everyone, not just broadcast stations) to let the caller know the phone conversation was being recorded. It still can be used to do so, though nowadays it's much more common to get a "this call may be recorded" message, which serves the same purpose. Not sure when the law changed to allow a one-time message at the beginning of the call to replace the repeating (think it was every 15 seconds) beep, but I think it's been at least two or three decades. Maybe it was around the time answering machines started becoming commonplace devices. Think of it this way: The beep was there to protect the caller from being recorded without their knowledge (in theory, at least). The seven-second delay is there to protect the station from unruly callers. Both can (and I'm sure did) coexist. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:32:29 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:32:29 -0400 Subject: WTIC night signal In-Reply-To: <18135.45138.730034.117664@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <18135.45138.730034.117664@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770708311132s35f68979h64e62817b6d5e6a6@mail.gmail.com> When I lived in Chicago it was always a tossup if I got Hartford or Dallas. Both cities are 1,000 miles. WTIC also puts a horrible nightime signal into the Norwich area near the casinos. From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Aug 31 15:02:41 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:02:41 -0400 Subject: Herald: sticking points in the Carr issue In-Reply-To: <002401c7eb2b$f9d893f0$ed89bbd0$@net> References: <20070830071635.17CB783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <46D6A96D.7090700@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708300808t193a3e72k9414c4936f7a53ac@mail.gmail.com> <002401c7eb2b$f9d893f0$ed89bbd0$@net> Message-ID: I'm sorry, but that would make absolutely no sense at all. Why would Entercom want to blow up Mike-FM, a top FIVE 25-54 station with NO airstaff and minimal overhead to put WRKO on FM? Just for the right to overpay Howie to do morning drive and keep him from WTKK, a station that's currently tied for 12th 25-54? That's insane! Right now Entercom is maximizing the amount of revenue it can generate from a rimshot suburban FM. Why would they want to mess with that? Besides, the billing for WRKO is horrendous, with or without Howie and it won't get much better by moving to FM. All the 55+ wingnuts would come along and the more lucrative 25-54's currently listening to Mike would leave for Greater Media or CBS Radio stations in the market. WAAF isn't a better solution. The 107.3/97.7 simulcast isn't as effective in reaching all of the market as 96.9 is, and isn't competing with WTKK the point here? Plus Entercom would take a major PR hit by blowing up WAAF--a heritage station with well over 30 years playing rock music. While the ratings aren't great on WAAF, their 25-54 numbers are still better than WRKO's, so why make the change? There's no ratings or revenue upside in either scenario. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 30, 2007, at 1:34 PM, radiotony wrote: > > They can't do anything about WRKO being an AM station. But, they could > drop > one of their FM music stations - Mike FM and 'AAF are their lowest > rated FMs > - and make them talk and compete directly with WTKK with talk on the > FM. If > it was really that important, it would be worth the move. But, that > probably > wouldn't be feasible either, not just to please Howie. > Better to just suck it up and let Howie go and try to rebuild the > station > with something completely different. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 31 15:32:02 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:32:02 -0500 Subject: Fate of Howie Carr Affiliates? Message-ID: <20070831193202.5192283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Which raises the question: Is Greater Media even in the syndication business? Do they syndicate any of their shows? I don't think they do any syndication--certainly not of the WTKK hosts--but if they felt they could make money spreading Howie to other parts of New ENgland, who knows. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:44:44 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:44:44 -0400 Subject: Transmitter locations Message-ID: <4fc429770708311244r7e7e5004h51dded3cf62e785a@mail.gmail.com> I agree that back in the 40's when many of these transmitter sites were planned...what is now Metro-West was cow pasture country. The Mass Turnpike opening in 1957 changed everything. They may have also remembered WBZ having all kinds of problems in Millis before moving to Hull. WHDH's site in Needham was considered the middle of nowhere as was WLAW-WRKO in Burlington. I have a hunch that WRKO's pattern has changed over the past 30 years given all the construction nearby in Burlington. Before the Burlington Mall opened there was nothing of note there. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 16:10:39 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:10:39 -0400 Subject: Transmitter locations References: <4fc429770708311244r7e7e5004h51dded3cf62e785a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <027801c7ec0b$175832c0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > They may have also remembered WBZ having all kinds of problems in > Millis before moving to Hull. This has been brough up before and I wish someone would elaborate... A post awhile back referred to the engineer who "took the fall for the Millis fiasco". For most of us that don't know the "Millis story"...can someone fill us in? Thanks! From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 16:29:27 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:29:27 -0400 Subject: Transmitter locations In-Reply-To: <027801c7ec0b$175832c0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708311244r7e7e5004h51dded3cf62e785a@mail.gmail.com> <027801c7ec0b$175832c0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708311329q733f7bb5ub4c7b5536f95d0eb@mail.gmail.com> In a nutshell they discovered that Millis was too far away to get a good signal in the city. BZ was 15K at the time. From me@billoneill.us Fri Aug 31 19:47:32 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:47:32 -0400 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals In-Reply-To: <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us> Mark Casey wrote: > In contrast, WBZ's ground wave signal starts having night skywave > problems between Sturbridge and Palmer, which is more like 75-85 miles > from Hull. It's often hard to listen to WBZ at night in Springfield, > but they have a great signal when you get to pure skywave 150+ miles > out. For example: Signal for signal, on average, at any time of year, > WBZ's night signal is the best of all the 50kw AM's on the dial at our > favorite vacation spot in coastal North Carolina-usually with very > little fading, easy to listen to. Why is it so much more difficult to hear WBZ here in Middlebury, Vermont? Day, forget it, and night, noisy. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 23:20:16 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:20:16 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold Message-ID: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> Rumors flying that WAMG is on the selling block. Now if sold what happens to ESPN Radio? Would Disney consider putting sports on 1260? The signal is woeful to the west but decent in the city. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 31 15:43:42 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:43:42 -0500 Subject: "Touch 106.1 FM Reference in Globe Calendar Message-ID: <20070831194342.B58851F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Boston isn't completely shut down this weekend. The Boston Globe's "Calendar" section lists events and celebrations in the City for the Labor Day weekend, including this item: "UNITY IN THE COMMUNITY" Franklin Park, Circuit Drive, Boston 617-445-1061 www.franklinparkcoalition.org 9/1 10 am - 6:00 pm Free. Games, music and family fun presented by TOUCH 106.1 FM {END OF ITEM} Hmmm...no mention that TOUCH 106.1 is an UNlicensed radio station, possibly interfering with a duly licensed station broadcasting on 105.7 mHz atop the Pru. Now if only Federal authorities worked weekends, they could perhaps bring the hammer down on TOUCH 106.1. (I notice the phone number given ends in 1061.) -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains