From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Apr 1 02:29:07 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:29:07 -0500 Subject: WTNN Bristol VT Message-ID: <20070401062907.42EE883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>If they want to be a player in the B/P market, they will have their hands full chasing Hall's deeply rooted WOKO (98.9 Burlington). And also WUSX 93.7 from Addison, though WUSX is all syndie, right? ("Real country"). I have read elsewhere that they will have local DJs including Jennifer Fox. I'd think the signal might reach Burlington and Middlebury equally well. Supposedly the antenna is in St. George, which is that small town I've driven through (on Rt 2-A) between Williston and Hinesburg, on hilly terrain. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 10:32:15 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: As far as I've heard, Tufts radio under the WTUR call letters was always a closed-circuit or carrier current operation on AM, save for the infamous railroad tracks incident which happened perhaps a year or two before the station made it onto the public airwaves as WMFO 91.5 FM. I believe that any accounts claiming that WTUR was on the public airwaves on AM (with 20 watts?) either legally or illegally are incorrect, and may be confused with WMFO's original power on FM of 18 watts ERP (10 watts w/antenna height gain) as of it's official sign-on in 1970 until about 1982 when they got the present 125 watt directional signal on the air. WTUR may have also had a "leaky cable" or other very low power transmitter operating on FM prior to their legitimate Class D signal signing on as WMFO but I don't know of that. Their station website claims the first song broadcast on WMFO in January 1970 was The Beatles "Here Comes The Sun", but the first thing I remember hearing on the station at around that time was testing/stunting with a repeating loop of "Rubber Ducky" by "Ernie" from Sesame Street. EP > > From: Donna Halper > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:25:56 -0400 > Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > I found an article from an old (1970) Boston magazine about > WBCN, and it said J.J.Jackson first worked at WTUR at Tufts. > The article says the station was an FM-- but I thought it was > an AM. Do any of you recall the station? I know the story > that is on Wikipedia about it, but before it got in trouble > with Tufts, was it in fact a regular college station, or was > it always an illegal station? Does anyone remember it? From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Apr 2 11:34:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: WEEI's Red Sox Wednesdays and On Deck show Message-ID: <20070402153455.C273383C11@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> According to the Herald blog by Jesse Noyes, "Starting April 4, WEEI is branding the middle of the week ?Red Sox Wednesday.? The whole day, parent company Entercom Communications claims, will be all-Sox-all-the-time." http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/messengerBlog/?p=268 WEEI will carry the Red Sox on Wednesday nights. The focus will be Sox exclusively on WEEI each Wednesday with guests on various shows such as Sox NESN voice Jerry Remy, manager Terry Francona, pitcher Curt Schilling, and bigwig Larry Lucchino. "Also, Mike Adams will host a new call-in show called ?Red Sox On Deck? on game nights at 6 p.m." (note that ESPN Boston is doing something similar with regards to a nightly 6 pm show) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Apr 2 11:59:36 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" incident? Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 Voice/+1-978-538-7550 Fax (800)231-8849 Sales.(800)FAX-CSS5 Sales Fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:32 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > > As far as I've heard, Tufts radio under the WTUR call > letters was always a closed-circuit or carrier current > operation on AM, save for the infamous railroad tracks > incident which happened perhaps a year or two before the > station made it onto the public airwaves as WMFO 91.5 FM. > > I believe that any accounts claiming that WTUR was on the > public airwaves on AM (with 20 watts?) either legally or > illegally are incorrect, and may be confused with WMFO's > original power on FM of 18 watts ERP (10 watts w/antenna > height gain) as of it's official sign-on in 1970 until about > 1982 when they got the present 125 watt directional signal on the air. > > WTUR may have also had a "leaky cable" or other very low > power transmitter operating on FM prior to their legitimate > Class D signal signing on as WMFO but I don't know of that. > > Their station website claims the first song broadcast on > WMFO in January 1970 was The Beatles "Here Comes The Sun", > but the first thing I remember hearing on the station at > around that time was testing/stunting with a repeating > loop of "Rubber Ducky" by "Ernie" from Sesame Street. > > EP > > > > > From: Donna Halper > > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:25:56 -0400 > > Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > > > I found an article from an old (1970) Boston magazine about > WBCN, and > > it said J.J.Jackson first worked at WTUR at Tufts. The article says > > the station was an FM-- but I thought it was an AM. Do any of you > > recall the station? I know the story that is on Wikipedia > about it, > > but before it got in trouble with Tufts, was it in fact a regular > > college station, or was it always an illegal station? Does anyone > > remember it? > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release > Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM From me@billoneill.us Mon Apr 2 12:20:43 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:20:43 -0400 Subject: New VT FM Message-ID: <46112D5B.8060908@billoneill.us> Checking out more of the new FM in VT WTNN (97.5 Bristol). Live jocks today cutting teeth, smashing some posts, what you'd expect with that new car smell, etc. Fairly safe mix ("new/favorites") They've put up a starter site with recently played songs, stream link, etc. at http://www.eaglecountry975.com/ Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon Apr 2 12:47:21 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:47:21 -0400 Subject: WTNN Message-ID: <46113399.3000507@billoneill.us> Checked out the fcc database on the new station. 8,700 watts ERP ND with 158m above average terrain (33m above ground) with stick in St. George, rural town just south of Williston which is around Exit 12 on Rt 89). Audio processed fairly nicely (tweaked with fingers, not mittens). They'll be needing a boatload of boasting about signal to match the 100,000 watts of WOKO. Either way, competition is always good. Does a rising tide life all boats? Let's see if there is a local news/info commitment to follow. Bill O'Neill From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Apr 2 12:56:06 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:56:06 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to the commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended up broadcasting the station's signal around the country. The signal traveled everywhere the tracks went, reportedly. The FCC only found out when a number of other stations started complaining about interference from this strange signal which no one could place but eventually, they traced it back to Tufts ... Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Vita Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:00 PM To: 'Eli Polonsky'; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" incident? Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 Voice/+1-978-538-7550 Fax (800)231-8849 Sales.(800)FAX-CSS5 Sales Fax www.cssinc.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 14:06:46 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:06:46 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: > > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Eli Polonsky'" , > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 > Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" > incident? Here is Wikipedia's account of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTUR However, what it doesn't say is how far away the signal could be heard from the railroad track to which this low-powered transmitter was hooked up. Though the reports that the signal could be heard along the entire length of the track may be correct, I doubt it could have been heard very far away from the track itself. Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore could not have had their license revoked, unless closed circuit stations had some sort of license in those days. EP From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Apr 2 14:13:31 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:13:31 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c77552$9f50cff0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:07 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Eli Polonsky'" , > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 > Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" > incident? Here is Wikipedia's account of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTUR However, what it doesn't say is how far away the signal could be heard from the railroad track to which this low-powered transmitter was hooked up. Though the reports that the signal could be heard along the entire length of the track may be correct, I doubt it could have been heard very far away from the track itself. Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore could not have had their license revoked, unless closed circuit stations had some sort of license in those days. EP From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 2 15:47:53 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:47:53 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070402194800.2700B44C1A8@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Eli said-- > >Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, >their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast >station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on >the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore >could not have had their license revoked, That was why I asked. Every account I could find said it was carrier current, and I couldn't find it listed in any Broadcasting Yearbook or North American Radio-TV Station Guide. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 2 15:49:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:49:24 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> Message-ID: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:56 PM 4/2/2007, radiotony wrote: >As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to the >commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended up >broadcasting the station's signal around the country. I wonder if that's not an urban legend, given that the story seems to go as far back as 1919, when the late lamented 1XE at Tufts seems to have done it, getting the administration mightily offended. From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Apr 2 16:14:40 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <32549.12.37.144.130.1175544880.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, April 2, 2007 15:49, Donna Halper wrote: > I wonder if that's not an urban legend, Would the FCC still have records of the complaints and shut-down? Or are those things purged every few years? Stephanie Weil New York City, USA From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 20:53:36 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AA back in Boston.... In-Reply-To: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <817439.5864.qm@web55310.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Air America is under new owners, and has a new PD who is experienced in talk radio and running a network. It would be interesting to see if they can transform it into a viable operation. On another forum, someone was speculating about how Air America could return to Boston....and that "something" was better than "nothing". Here are the scenarios proposed. WILD - 1090AM WILD has a great daytime signal....but no night-time signal... WBIX - 1060AM I can't imagine they are making *any* money right now...maybe enough to pay the electric bill. 1060AM has a super daytime signal....and, well...they have bad night time signal. (But, again, something is better than nothing.) WJIB - 740AM Another great daytime signal for 250 watts! And a very small night time signal. I know Bob Bittner loves the music format....but is having a hard time with music royalty/licensing issues. This would solve that. From what I understand, Bob's politics leans a little (a lot?) to the Left. I would think this would be a perfect fit. Plus it would remove some of the man-hours needed to run WJIB as a music station, allow him to focus on some other things...and maybe even provide an opportunity to make a small profit. (After all, if anyone desrves to make a profit it's Bob!) If a daytime signal is all thats available, 1090-WILD would be best...and the politics would fit in with it's history. WJIB is situated in what some call "The People's Republic of Cambridge"...I would think the format would be welcome there. I know Donna had trouble with the night signal of WXKS and WKOX. Donna, can you get either 740AM or 1060AM at home after dark? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Apr 2 22:27:09 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:27:09 -0400 Subject: AA back in Boston.... References: <817439.5864.qm@web55310.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c77597$9d204e00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I suspect that WBIX is doing a lot better than you believe. If it were not, I think Alex Langer would long ago have tried to sell it again. I have heard no rumors of that. The station is sold out with brokered programs and infomercials from 6:00AM until at least 6:00PM M-F And the rebroadcast of NECN audio from 8:00PM to 10:00PM may bring in some additional revenue. As for WILD and WJIB, time will tell whether one or both have some kind of future in Progressive talk. One thing is certain, though; Bob Bittner has automated WJIB to the extent that selling time to one or more of what are now three syndicators of Progressive talk (Jones, AirAmerica, and Nova-M) would not lighten his workload. The effect would more likely be just the opposite. Though Bob is anti-coporate, it it is not clear that he is a Liberal. He also does not believe that easy-listening music and political talk make a good mix. And I think he remains unconvinced that any of the program syndicators is in a position to guarantee him a reliable income stream. For its part, Jones claims it has never paid any station to carry its Progressive talk shows and vows that it never will. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald A." To: "Donna Halper" ; Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: AA back in Boston.... > Air America is under new owners, and has a new PD who > is experienced in talk radio and running a network. > > It would be interesting to see if they can transform > it into a viable operation. > > On another forum, someone was speculating about how > Air America could return to Boston....and that > "something" was better than "nothing". > > Here are the scenarios proposed. > > WILD - 1090AM WILD has a great daytime signal....but > no night-time signal... > > WBIX - 1060AM I can't imagine they are making *any* > money right now...maybe enough to pay the electric > bill. 1060AM has a super daytime signal....and, > well...they have bad night time signal. (But, again, > something is better than nothing.) > > WJIB - 740AM Another great daytime signal for 250 > watts! And a very small night time signal. I know > Bob Bittner loves the music format....but is having a > hard time with music royalty/licensing issues. This > would solve that. From what I understand, Bob's > politics leans a little (a lot?) to the Left. I would > think this would be a perfect fit. Plus it would > remove some of the man-hours needed to run WJIB as a > music station, allow him to focus on some other > things...and maybe even provide an opportunity to make > a small profit. (After all, if anyone desrves to make > a profit it's Bob!) > > If a daytime signal is all thats available, 1090-WILD > would be best...and the politics would fit in with > it's history. > > WJIB is situated in what some call "The People's > Republic of Cambridge"...I would think the format > would be welcome there. > > I know Donna had trouble with the night signal of WXKS > and WKOX. > > Donna, can you get either 740AM or 1060AM at home > after dark? > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 2 23:58:59 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:58:59 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> References: , <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia>, <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> Message-ID: <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2007 at 12:56, radiotony wrote: > As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to > the commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended > up broadcasting the station's signal around the country. Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 00:51:49 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:51:49 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of > the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget > that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a proper electrical ground system). -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 3 01:01:12 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:01:12 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of >> the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget >> that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. > > That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of > the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular > railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad > tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're > talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a > proper electrical ground system). There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's possible. (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its ground system to the city water pipes?) s From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 3 01:08:14 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:08:14 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> References: , <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4611A8FE.23596.9DC817@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2007 at 1:01, Scott Fybush wrote: > There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about > every college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation > and had train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about > WLDB, the predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis > campus knows that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios > would have been to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. > > Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's > possible. > > (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet > in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its > ground system to the city water pipes?) I wonder whether snopes.com would be interested in investigating these urban legends. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Apr 3 13:44:20 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:44:20 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:01:12 EDT." <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200704031744.l33HiKY7009847@mint-square.mit.edu> >There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every >college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had >train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the >predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows >that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been >to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. That urban myth made its way to MIT as well. In our case, the Red Line tracks were the purported antenna. Never saw any evidence of it taking place for real, just heresay. >Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's >possible. A sorta-kinda-similar thing *did* actually happen at MIT. Not with train tracks, and (apparently) not on purpose, but... I remember seeing documentation of an incident in which some sort of ground system problem/failure at the MIT Sailing Pavillion resulted in the signal of carrier-current WMIT (or had it changed to WTBS by then? I don't remember the exact year, unfortunately) being coupled to the iron railing that separates Memorial Drive from the Charles River. It apparently worked well enough for the station to be picked up on the Boston side of the river, until the fault was found and fixed. I'll have to see if I can find that documentation again. No promises - stuff has been moved around quite a few times over the years, and it wouldn't be surprising if stuff got lost along the way. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 3 14:24:55 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:24:55 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com><17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> And don't forget the apparently true stories about train tracks and a real-live 50-kW AM--KBOI 670 Boise ID, whose night signal used to be legendary--until the owners of KIRN paid for a whole new DA that protects the Simi Valley station. Now, I guess that KIRN can't officially be owned by Iranians because I believe owners of US stations must be either US citizens or entities controlled by US citizens, but surely whoever owns KIRN must somehow be connected to Iran. That's got to be good for some great conspiracy theories and urban legends. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Re: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > >> Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of > >> the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget > >> that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. > > > > That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of > > the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular > > railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad > > tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're > > talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a > > proper electrical ground system). > > There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every > college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had > train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the > predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows > that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been > to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. > > Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's > possible. > > (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet > in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its > ground system to the city water pipes?) > > s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 3 14:29:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:29:42 -0500 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal Message-ID: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=192441 Herald article about how ESPN Boston (890/1400) is trying to boost its following --and night-time signal. The station launched a Red Sox/ baseball talk show weeknights at 6 pm starting last night, and recently they signed former Globe scribe Peter Gammons to do "weekly call-ins". They carry ESPN baseball coverage including the playoffs. I will say that ESPN Boston does show up in the ratings and they've even run some TV ads. The article says they are hoping to "almost double" their night-time power. WAMG 890 (I assume they're not talking about WLLH 1400, their sister station!) is said to be 3,400 watts at night and they have a CP to go 6,000 watts at night Current night pattern: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=N CP night pattern: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=C&hours=N The CP expires in May of '09. Daytime coverage would prob be the same: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 3 14:52:23 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:52:23 -0400 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal In-Reply-To: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070403185230.6C3BD6BD1BE@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:29 PM 4/3/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=192441 > >Herald article about how ESPN Boston (890/1400) is trying to boost >its following --and night-time signal. The station launched a Red Sox/ >baseball talk show weeknights at 6 pm starting last night, and recently >they signed former Globe scribe Peter Gammons to do "weekly call-ins". >They carry ESPN baseball coverage including the playoffs. Has anyone got a hot theory about the future of WWZN? They seem to not even care that they get no ratings, and the asking price to buy them is outrageous... From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 3 15:10:01 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:10:01 -0400 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal References: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce interference to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major daytime overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was then WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power (IIRC from 1 kw to 910W). The power reduction presumably compensated for a slight increase in antenna efficiency, but I know of no way to check that out because the records of the previous operation are long gone from CDBS. I suppose that the then owners of what was very likely still WBMA might have paid WOTW to get out of the way. If so, I'd say it was a token move that might have made the FCC happy but had no particular effect on the overlap. Funny stuff went on when WBMA was built. I have no way to prove it, but it sure looks as if some bogus readings were taken of 890's nighttime signal strength along the 90-degree (due East) radial. Without those readings, the station would either have had to get a waiver of the CoL nighttime coverage requirements or it would have had to change its CoL. At one point, an application was filed to change the CoL from Dedham to Wellesley, but after the augmentations were filed, the application for Wellesley was abruptly withdrawn. At 90 degrees, the augmented night signal is equivalent to exatly twice the power in the standard (unaugmented) pattern. 90 degrees is dead ahead in the main lobe--right AT the radiation maximum. I've never seen an augmentation of that magnitude in any other station's pattern except near a radiation minimum. 890 has no augmentations near its minimum toward WLS. Interestingly, the unaugmented 6-kW night pattern sends the same signal strength due east as the augmented 3.4 kW pattern supposedly does. The new pattern is also fatter than the existing one and has a pair of minor lobes pretty much due north and due south. I think that if WAMG ever gets the work done, ita night signal will improve noticeably everywhere except in an arc of about 60 degrees centered on the 270-degree radial--due west of the transmitter. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal > > Daytime coverage would prob be the same: > http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D > From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Apr 3 15:15:44 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com><17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <16319.12.37.144.130.1175627744.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Tue, April 3, 2007 14:24, Dan Strassberg wrote: > surely whoever owns KIRN must > somehow be connected to Iran. That's got to be good for some great > conspiracy theories and urban legends. Yes. They're probably of Iranian ancestry or extraction. The whole purpose of KIRN is to serve the Farsi-speaking community of Los Angeles. I seriously doubt, that they're very much in favor of the current governmental positions in Iran. I mean...why would the Iranian-Americans be here, then? Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 15:37:45 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:37:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <17938.44297.352095.392930@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Surely whoever owns KIRN must somehow be connected to Iran. Yes, a large fraction of the Iranian exile community lives in Southern California. Just like the Cubans in South Florida, they have been here long enough that many of them have U.S.-citizen children and even grandchildren, and many of the rest have become naturalized U.S. citizens. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 3 17:44:16 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:44:16 -0400 Subject: Boston Tea Party memories Message-ID: <20070403214423.0623165B3D8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> A blogger friend of mine is doing a piece on local landmarks from progressive rock's pioneering days-- seems every city had at least one club that featured the up and coming bands (who would go on to be big stars) as well as the announcers from the local "underground" radio station. I certainly recall the Boston Tea Party as being such a place-- lots of college radio jocks and the WBCN crowd hung out there-- and when I mentioned it to my friend, he thought this would be a good club to write about, as we both figured there are plenty of Boomers who still remember it. So I'm writing up a short piece about the Tea Party and would welcome any recollections from any of you to go along with the historical stuff and the newspaper articles I have. I'll let you know when and where it can be read, as soon as I finish it. From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:50:38 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:50:38 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Railroad tracks would make a fairly decent ground, but a crummy antenna. Horizontal radiators are poor in the AM band. With any antenna or ground system, it's only the first few wavelengths that contribute to radiating a signal. After that, most of the signal voltage is gone. 1000 miles of wire (or track) is little different from 1000 feet. RF does not act like DC or mains AC. As a serious ground, 120 quarter-wave radials PER TOWER, as typically used by better AM installations, is the way to go. The best "get-out-ability" AM stations like Boston's WBZ and NYC's WCBS are running 50 kW to tall towers and extensive radial grounding systems in coastal salt-water marsh. If hearing these nationwide is a challenge on ordinary receivers (we're not talking R-390A's and beach Beverages), then 20 watts connected to ANYTHING, including a wire to the moon, isn't going to be heard too far. Hooking a carrier current rig to tracks or several hundred feet of wire between tall buildings will certainly get it to more places, but I'd be surprised if any of those places were beyond 50 miles. Maybe with the right skip and/or waterpath, 200-300 miles at best. The higher end of the AM dial, rather than 560 kHz, would actually be better in terms of skip. For the guy who attended Tufts in the late '60s, I wonder if you knew two of my ham buddies who went there around then - Phil Schoenheiter (N1PZU) and Chuck O'Neal (K1KW, ex-WA1EKV). They were E.E. students who may have been involved with the Tufts ham club (W1KN) and perhaps the broadcast operation as well. The late Gordon Nelson had told me about students at MIT's carrier current (640) hooking up a good antenna once. It was heard at least as far as NH and metro-Worcester (but by DXers, not casual listeners). As far as average-listener quality range, I think the Fenway Park area is about as far as it got. I went to Northeastern U. in the late '60s and early '70s. Before WRBB (originally 91.7, later 104.9) came on, there was carrier-current WNEU-560. Its coverage, even around campus, was spotty and by the time you got "a frisbee toss away" to student apartments on the north side of Fort Hill (just across the Columbus Ave. RR tracks), it was buried under the WGAN/WHYN mix. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << "aerie.ma@comcast.net" wrote: I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 08:57:45 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:57:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I've wondered about the railroad tracks thing too. I have no recollection of that at all, and since WMFO went on the air in 1970, I can't believe the FCC had just "raided" them for the railroad track infringement. Besides, railroad tracks are not continuous. There are insulators periodically to divide the track into blocks electrically for the signal system to be able to indicate where a train is. I did not know your two ham buddies at Tufts, but I did have Organic Chemistry lab across from Tommy Hadges, who was very active at WTUR and subsequently one of the foundation group at WBCN. I wish I had kept in touch because he'd certainly know about the railroad track thing. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:51 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Railroad tracks would make a fairly decent ground, but a crummy antenna. Horizontal radiators are poor in the AM band. With any antenna or ground system, it's only the first few wavelengths that contribute to radiating a signal. After that, most of the signal voltage is gone. 1000 miles of wire (or track) is little different from 1000 feet. RF does not act like DC or mains AC. As a serious ground, 120 quarter-wave radials PER TOWER, as typically used by better AM installations, is the way to go. The best "get-out-ability" AM stations like Boston's WBZ and NYC's WCBS are running 50 kW to tall towers and extensive radial grounding systems in coastal salt-water marsh. If hearing these nationwide is a challenge on ordinary receivers (we're not talking R-390A's and beach Beverages), then 20 watts connected to ANYTHING, including a wire to the moon, isn't going to be heard too far. Hooking a carrier current rig to tracks or several hundred feet of wire between tall buildings will certainly get it to more places, but I'd be surprised if any of those places were beyond 50 miles. Maybe with the right skip and/or waterpath, 200-300 miles at best. The higher end of the AM dial, rather than 560 kHz, would actually be better in terms of skip. For the guy who attended Tufts in the late '60s, I wonder if you knew two of my ham buddies who went there around then - Phil Schoenheiter (N1PZU) and Chuck O'Neal (K1KW, ex-WA1EKV). They were E.E. students who may have been involved with the Tufts ham club (W1KN) and perhaps the broadcast operation as well. The late Gordon Nelson had told me about students at MIT's carrier current (640) hooking up a good antenna once. It was heard at least as far as NH and metro-Worcester (but by DXers, not casual listeners). As far as average-listener quality range, I think the Fenway Park area is about as far as it got. I went to Northeastern U. in the late '60s and early '70s. Before WRBB (originally 91.7, later 104.9) came on, there was carrier-current WNEU-560. Its coverage, even around campus, was spotty and by the time you got "a frisbee toss away" to student apartments on the north side of Fort Hill (just across the Columbus Ave. RR tracks), it was buried under the WGAN/WHYN mix. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << "aerie.ma@comcast.net" wrote: I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 13:13:00 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Speculation anyone? Message-ID: <200704041715.l34HFc36049073@rolinin.bostonradio.org> In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its license and studio eauipment as collateral. Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some errands ... Sent from the Treo of Tony Schinella From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 14:40:08 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <200704041715.l34HFc36049073@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <448310.76311.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> radiotony@comcast.net wrote: > In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an > Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to > develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its > license and studio eauipment as collateral. > > Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted > another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. > The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... > > Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some > errands ... 800 in Lawrence would seem to be the clubhouse leader. Well, it could be 1110, but that's technically licensed to Salem, N.H. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From bradfordwood@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 16:23:53 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:23:53 +0000 Subject: Speculation anyone? Message-ID: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sean Smyth > radiotony@comcast.net wrote: > > In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an > > Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to > > develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its > > license and studio eauipment as collateral. > > > > Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted > > another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. > > The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... > > > > Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some > > errands ... > > 800 in Lawrence would seem to be the clubhouse leader. > Well, it could be 1110, but that's technically licensed to Salem, N.H. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 4 16:42:18 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:42:18 -0400 Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> References: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: > > 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. > > 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. > > 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... > > The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA studio site? s From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:59:22 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:59:22 -0300 Subject: Speculation anyone? References: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003d01c776f3$bf0ed7e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Or self developing the WESX site and using JDA as collateral? That might not fit in with fulfilling his "necessity" to jam WESX into 1/2 of Saugus but he probably needs a backup if the Marblehead town meeting doesn't approve a "taking." Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Speculation anyone? > bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > > Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: > > > > 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. > > > > 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. > > > > 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... > > > > The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. > > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA studio site? > > s > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Apr 4 17:05:45 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:05:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <20070404210555.508DA44C076@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 08:57 AM 4/4/2007, Jim wrote: >I've wondered about the railroad tracks thing too. I have no recollection of >that at all, and since WMFO went on the air in 1970, I can't believe the FCC >had just "raided" them for the railroad track infringement. Besides, >railroad tracks are not continuous. There are insulators periodically to >divide the track into blocks electrically for the signal system to be able >to indicate where a train is. No kidding, the first time I saw that story, it was attributed to something that got 1XE in trouble at Tufts in (wait for it) 1916. And I do have the newspaper clippings. So it's been around for a while, as all good urban legends have. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:27:57 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <763146.84027.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA > studio site? But are his stations Spanish operations? I thought there was some English-language programming sprinkled in. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:27 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <561775.79595.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:38 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <916683.98145.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:50 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <163478.36074.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 4 18:52:13 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0300 Subject: Speculation anyone? References: <763146.84027.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c7770b$e32be9c0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I can speak for WESX...yes it does have some English language programming either included in it's present schedule or planned for in the near future. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Speculation anyone? > Scott Fybush wrote: > > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA > > studio site? > > But are his stations Spanish operations? I thought there was some > English-language programming sprinkled in. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:52:54 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <565667.61930.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:52:59 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <884563.54977.qm@web30714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:55:20 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070404235520.31491.qmail@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From rickajho@rcn.com Wed Apr 4 11:39:17 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:17 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> Are we going to lose the last AM station in the region that still plays music? (aka: Hasn't turned into talk radio format.) I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner - has something to say. He's announcing that because of the new royalty fee structure he can't keep the station playing a music format. He is saying that if people want the station to keep playing it's existing format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations by some date in June to cover the new royalty structure fees for the next year. If that amount is not raised by June the station will change to a talk radio format and any donations made will be returned. He's not saying that the station will be sold at that time, but it sounds like it. Can't imagine him running it himself as yet another talk radio station on the air. Tune it in and hear it yourself - the announcement doesn't come up often, but he does repeat it several times a day. I like WJIB but I've never understood how he has managed to run it while *not* running any commercial advertising at all. AFAIK he only has one period of leased air time for a foreign language broadcast and that can't be enough revenue to cover costs, even before the new royalty fees go into effect. It seems like his policy to reject advertising has been extreme. Nice - but somewhat impractical. Personally, I wouldn't mind advertising on the station if it meant it didn't change format. Any comments? Hate to see this station in it's current format going off the air. Rick From GMBReading@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 21:11:22 2007 From: GMBReading@comcast.net (George Reading) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:11:22 -0700 Subject: Dick Summer reveals..... Message-ID: <46144CBA.8080706@comcast.net> Googling my old colleague "Juicy" Brucie Bradley brought up a page of dialogue (apparently a part of "Dick Summer reveals..." page). Like others, I have great admiration for his talents. I had the pleasure of seeing them from the inside, ie, I worked with Bruce at WROW beginning in 1957 when I was the news voice on his show. The program changed format in that year: subsequently named "Radio Row" in a listener contest. I don't need to remind anyone of his wit and humor. I never heard him talk down to anybody. Our paths crossed again several times. Years later in Boston, I was a newscaster on 'BZ TV while Bruce had his top rated radio show. In the late '60's I was at CBS radio in NY at the time Bruce moved to WHN a few blocks away in mid town. I lost track of him after I came to California in '71. I would be grateful to know if you have any info on Bruce's current whereabouts. Thanks and best wishes, George Reading From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 5 01:02:35 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:02:35 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> References: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46144AAB.3023.BAD950@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Apr 2007 at 11:39, Rick wrote: > Are we going to lose the last AM station in the region that still > plays music? (aka: Hasn't turned into talk radio format.) > > I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner - has > something to say. He's announcing that because of the new royalty fee > structure he can't keep the station playing a music format. He is > saying that if people want the station to keep playing it's existing > format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations by some date in June > to cover the new royalty structure fees for the next year. If that > amount is not raised by June the station will change to a talk radio > format and any donations made will be returned. He's not saying that > the station will be sold at that time, but it sounds like it. Can't > imagine him running it himself as yet another talk radio station on > the air. This is several-weeks-old news, and we've discussed it around here. The main problem is that ASCAP and BMI have greatly increased the licensing fees for the music that Bob uses (BTW, it's Bittner, not Vintner). Also, unless Bob has changed the announcement, he did not say that he was going to turn the station into a talk station. In the announcement that I heard, he didn't really say what he would do with the station if he couldn't raise the money that he needs to raise. Listener-supported stations have existed before -- the best-known private station in the local area was Simon Geller's WVCA in Gloucester, which lasted that way for many years. Time will tell whether Bob is successful in this. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 09:09:55 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:09:55 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: > > From: Rick > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:17 -0400 > Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? > > I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner > - has something to say. WJIB is owned by Bob Bittner, not Vintner. > He is saying that if people want the station to keep playing > it's existing format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations > by some date in June to cover the new royalty structure fees > for the next year. If that amount is not raised by June the > station will change to a talk radio format and any donations > made will be returned. This has been being discussed on an on-line discussion board in which Bittner himself participates. He says that, so far, he's been getting a good response, and it looks like there's a chance that the needed amount may be raised. > AFAIK he only has one period of leased air time for a foreign > language broadcast and that can't be enough revenue to cover > costs, even before the new royalty fees go into effect. The daily foreign language show, which was the weekday morning news magazine show from Radio France International, is gone due to budgetary cuts at RFI. As for leased time, WJIB is now down to only some Sunday morning religious/gospel programming. The withdrawal of RFI along with the increased music royalty fees are the main factors which caused Bob's current problems. EP From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 5 11:44:31 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:44:31 -0500 Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station Message-ID: <20070405154431.9384D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (tip of the hat to BostonRadioBlog for finding this) A founder of WFCC in Chatham complains about what the once-locally oriented, highly recognized station has become and he wonders if it will even stay classical: http://www.barnstablepatriot.com/guest_commentary_wfccs_founder_sees_trouble_ahead_for_cape_radio_news_16_11700.html "Now WFCC has been degraded and ?darkened? to a ?satellite? station." He also wonders if the possible purchase of WFCC by Sandab Communications "could very probably result in the demise of Classical Music Radio on Cape Cod!" From attychase@comcast.net Thu Apr 5 12:14:10 2007 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:14:10 -0400 Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station References: Message-ID: <000801c7779d$72918a20$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> What do you expect when you have the best FCC (and other federal regulatory bodies) that money can buy. > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:44:31 -0500 > From: "Bob Nelson" > Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <20070405154431.9384D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > (tip of the hat to BostonRadioBlog for finding this) > > A founder of WFCC in Chatham complains about what the once-locally > oriented, highly recognized > station has become and he wonders if it will even stay classical: Quote "Now, there is about to be a further change, as Baltimore-based Sandab Communications is negotiating with CRB for WFCC (along with CRB's other Cape radio station, WKPE, Orleans). This move will give Sandab -- which previously bought WQRC-FM and WOCN-FM -- the second, third and fourth-ranked stations in the market. (The #1 station, WXTK, is owned by another conglomerate, Quantum). Do you suppose all of this maneuvering creates a "market monopoly?" Well let me tell you, this latest move also could very probably result in the demise of Classical Music Radio on Cape Cod! Local community-oriented radio stations are being devoured, dissected, and discarded by the "Mega-Media Moguls." Operating in the "interest, convenience and necessity" of the public they are licensed to serve, has become a joke -- the butt of which, deplorably, is the listening audience!" From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 5 15:58:03 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:58:03 -0500 Subject: WPNI 1430 Amherst temporarily simulcasting WUMB Message-ID: <20070405195804.5EAA149B842@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Small item in today's Globe mentions that WPNI 1430 in Amherst which had been running some public radio via WFCR is now simulcasting WUMB-FM as they await sale. (Something similar happened when WLYN was sold, I believe, as they temporarily put WUMB on..._ From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 6 01:21:42 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:21:42 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Bob Bittner doesn't post on this list, but he does read it, and he has told me that I was correct in saying that he never mentioned turning WJIB into a talk station. He says he left it vague as to what he'd do after June, but it's all irrelevant because listener contributions have been phenomenal. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Apr 6 07:06:38 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:06:38 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <461629BE.1050304@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > but it's all irrelevant because listener > contributions have been phenomenal. > That is fantastic news. Way to go, Bob. A classy way to address an issue with the public and it is showing returns. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 09:16:37 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:16:37 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? References: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001301c7784d$e8312be0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Well, from the discussion I had with Bob a few days ago, listener response to his appeal for funds has been gratifying, but it's still too early to be assured that he will meet his goal of raising $88,000 by late June. So keep those checks coming to him folks! In case anyone who is reading this doesn't know the details, send checks payable to WJIB to the station at 443 Concord Ave, Cambridge MA, 02138. Contributions are NOT tax deductible. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: WJIB 740 in trouble? > Bob Bittner doesn't post on this list, but he does read it, and he > has told me that I was correct in saying that he never mentioned > turning WJIB into a talk station. He says he left it vague as to > what he'd do after June, but it's all irrelevant because listener > contributions have been phenomenal. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 10:05:06 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <001301c7784d$e8312be0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <715820.82789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, from the discussion I had with Bob a few days ago, listener > response > to his appeal for funds has been gratifying, but it's still too early > to be > assured that he will meet his goal of raising $88,000 by late June. We're dealing with semantics here, but Bob didn't say that he needed the $88,000 by June. He said that it would cost $88,000 to operate the station for 2007 and said that he would use the June date as a measuring stick for whether collecting enough donations to cover 2007 expenses would be feasible. That's the way that I interpreted his message. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 6 13:48:17 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings still make money but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow they find the money from advertising. Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? (Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) WTTT has never shown in the ratings with its conservative talk format but Salem Comm. apparently hasn't had a problem with that. Just run those national spots for "rich, chocolate Ovaltine" and Tanya Roberts inviting you to "get out of Dodge--stir up some romantic passion in the most exciting city on Earth. Las Vegas is calling!" You've heard those ads too, eh? ...constantly. I get the feeling Clr Chnl didn't have any sales managers working for WKOX/WXKS exclusively (as prog talk); they were probably shared with other stations in the cluster, and maybe they didn't make an effort to sell local advertising. (It's also possible that the company made so much money with Jamn 94.5 and Kiss 108, that they could run the 2 AMs as a break-even or even lose-money proposition with AAR and now with Rumba. Whether they have sales people dedicated to those 2 AMs now, I don't know, but some AM stations can at least break even with specialty formats like this. Again, had CC put on local hosts, waited for the signal of 1200 to improve (should be done in a few months), promoted the station, and perhaps had some sales people go out there to sell spots, it could still be prog talk today. Do you get the feeling that CC was just running AAR as a placeholder format: if it works, great, if not then change format or even try to sell the 2 stations-- but didn't quite make any effort to promote the station OR sell ads for it? (Or maybe they were trying to stave off the Fairness Doctrine coming back...) Just turn on the "computer in a closet" while we concentrate on the FMs... By the way I gotta laugh. Go to the Clear Channel site and type in WXKS under station search. Apparently WXKS runs "nostalgia" with a logo saying "Boston's Original Hits". A format they abandoned on Oct 4, 2004...nice they updated the site. As for WKOX, type in those calls and you get the Rumba logo... and the format "Progressive Talk". Seriously... From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 14:02:22 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:02:22 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 >It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 >didn't show up at all. >But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? >It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings >still make money >but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and >maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or >none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow >they find the money from advertising. >Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? >(Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in >a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) I think the radio entity that runs WWZN is called "Vulcan Radio" or something like that, and they recently sold their Los Angeles 50 KW outlet, so Mr. Allen MAY be tiring of his radio venturing. Speaking of ads, even now that we're in EDST, I can still pick up WWKB-AM 1520 in Buffalo just as Stephanie Miller is starting and I listen for about an hour-and-a-half and the breaks are just LOADED with spots (one or two promos, almost no PSA's) just the opposite of the WXKS-AM/WKOX progressive talk experience. = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Apr 6 14:23:47 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001301c77878$be18e660$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Apr 6 14:25:06 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:25:06 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070406182517.ED15B44E7B3@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Laurence wrote-- > >I think the radio entity that runs WWZN is called "Vulcan Radio" or something >like that, and they recently sold their Los Angeles 50 KW outlet, so Mr. >Allen MAY be tiring of his radio venturing. Speaking of ads, even >now that we're in EDST, I can still pick up WWKB-AM 1520 in Buffalo just >as Stephanie Miller is starting and I listen for about an hour-and-a-half >and the breaks are just LOADED with spots (one or two promos, almost no PSA's) >just the opposite of the WXKS-AM/WKOX progressive talk experience. And that is the re-broadcast of Steph's show, which airs in the morning. WWKB's numbers doubled in the most recent book-- I think they're up to a respectable 1.4 and yes they have actually got commercials, because they have actually got a sales staff! From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 14:57:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 6 15:13:56 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. :-) s From me@billoneill.us Fri Apr 6 15:31:49 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:31:49 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4616A025.1070400@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: > > TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. > > :-) > > s That sounds like a late-night pharmaceutical ad slogan. ;-) Use only as directed. Ask your doctor. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 15:31:33 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:31:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003f01c77882$34c8b980$19eefea9@satpro4600> 800 kHz is TWICE the wavelength of 1600 kHz NOT half. l=c/f where l = wavelength in meters, c = the speed of light (299.8*10^6 m/sec) and f is the frequency in Hz. If you double the frequency, you halve the wavelength. The owner of WWZN, WSNR, KXL, the former KXL-FM (whose current calls I don't recall), and the about-to-be former owner of KMPC is Rose City Radio. The Rose City is Portland OR, home of KXL and the FM I can't name. Portland is is Paul Allen's home. Besides the radio stations, Allen also owns the Portland Trailblazers and one or two of Seattle's three major sports franchises: the Mariners, the Seahawks, and the SuperSonics. And he owns Charter Communications, the cable company, the Sporting News magazine/newspaper, and the Sporting News Radio Network. I imagine he has other business interests but I can't name them. The Portland stations, neither of which has ever been affiliated with SNR, are profitable and not for sale. WSNR is now doing brokered ethnic in the New York market and is presumably profitable although is allegedly for sale. WWZN must therefore be Allen's one remaining clearly unprofitable radio property. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Larry Weil" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Weil" > To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Nelson > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > > 1430 didn't show up at all. > >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish > >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. > >Larry Weil > >Lake Wobegone, NH > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:43:09 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <640235.53669.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL > Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. > WUNR has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I'm amazed that WUNR cracked the ratings. With the diversity of programs on there, do you know how many ears they need to get to listen to each of those programs to show up in the book? (I'm shocked they even subscribe to Arbitron to begin with.) I'd imagine their TSL isn't the best. > I think it's a bit strange that > WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal > over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? Isn't WRCA's "upgrade" not much of an upgrade signal-wise? Their signal still isn't great in suburbia, IIRC, where much of the audience for a left-leaning talk audience would be commuting to/from. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:49:18 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <003f01c77882$34c8b980$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > The owner of WWZN, WSNR, KXL, the former KXL-FM (whose current calls > I don't > recall), and the about-to-be former owner of KMPC is Rose City Radio. > The > Rose City is Portland OR, home of KXL and the FM I can't name. > Portland is > is Paul Allen's home. Besides the radio stations, Allen also owns the > Portland Trailblazers and one or two of Seattle's three major sports > franchises: the Mariners, the Seahawks, and the SuperSonics. And he > owns > Charter Communications, the cable company, the Sporting News > magazine/newspaper, and the Sporting News Radio Network. I imagine he > has > other business interests but I can't name them. > > The Portland stations, neither of which has ever been affiliated with > SNR, > are profitable and not for sale. WSNR is now doing brokered ethnic in > the > New York market and is presumably profitable although is allegedly > for sale. > WWZN must therefore be Allen's one remaining clearly unprofitable > radio > property. Allen owns the Seahawks. He may have a stake in the Mariners. He couldn't own the Sonics, since the NBA does not allow dual ownership. The Sporting News conglomerate was sold in September to Advance Publications and the Newhouse family, publisher of numerous magazines and newspapers (The Republican in Springfield being their only area property). The sale *did* include the radio stations. I feel confident in saying that Advance has little in the way of radio interests, if any, so I'm thinking that the stations are on the block. More on The Sporting News sale: http://www.sportingnews.com/mediakit/news/2006-09-05.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 6 15:52:46 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:52:46 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > The Sporting News conglomerate was sold in September to Advance > Publications and the Newhouse family, publisher of numerous magazines > and newspapers (The Republican in Springfield being their only area > property). The sale *did* include the radio stations. I feel confident > in saying that Advance has little in the way of radio interests, if > any, so I'm thinking that the stations are on the block. The sale may have included Sporting News Radio, the network. I'm quite certain it did not include the radio stations themselves. s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:57:27 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com> Message-ID: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > The sale may have included Sporting News Radio, the network. I'm > quite > certain it did not include the radio stations themselves. Once again, you are correct, sir. I misread the press release initially. >From the previously linked release: "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets included in the transaction with ACBJ." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 6 16:57:50 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:57:50 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> WNNW-800 also runs a Spanish-English hybrid Top 30 show put out by MTV each Saturday. Even the DJ will freely mix English and Spanish in her monologue, and the 30 hits are about 60/40 English Language Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM To: Larry Weil; 'Bob Nelson'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 17:06:55 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:06:55 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406210655.0099E16497D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 >Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. >The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: >TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. >:-) >s Yow...about 30 minutes after the original posting, I realized that I probably got it wrong. On more than a few occasions I've tuned to WUNR not far from the 800 tower, under WCCM and WNNW, and observed imaging from the 800 outlet. Wait until WUNR boosts its power at the Sawmill Brook Parkway site; the signals will really do battle. S I D E B A R: The first year I was in the Air Force, I was assigned to a base in Spokane, WA, so I was looking forward to your spread on that City's radio scene, and it certainly is fine so far. Remember, even today, Spokane is not much bigger than Hartford/W. Hartford combined and the metro area is no great shakes either. Spokane must be one of the most over-radioed cities in the country. No wonder you reference stations that over the years have gone silent (and you didn't even mention KLFF-AM 1590, Mead, WA. = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From bradfordwood@comcast.net Fri Apr 6 17:32:33 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (Bradford Wood) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:32:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616BC71.70402@comcast.net> ACBJ owns both Mass High Tech and the Boston Business Journal - both based in the Financial District - but those are their only two publications in this market. BW Sean Smyth wrote: > Once again, you are correct, sir. I misread the press release > initially. > > >From the previously linked release: > "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los > Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets > included in the transaction with ACBJ." > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 17:40:42 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:40:42 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406210655.0099E16497D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77894$3fe7d780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WUNR's power increase will be accompanied by a SIGNIFICANT decrease in radiation toward Nashua. WRCA's power increase will be accompanied by a SIGNIFICANT decrease in radiation toward Derry. Both stations' new patterns are FAR more restrictive to the north than are the current patterns. In addition, WRCA will be moving five or so miles further from NH. WRCA, which currently delivers an excellent signal to my QTH will deliver a poor signal by day and will receive significant audible interference at night. WUNR's already poor signal will deteriorate further. The improved signals will be noticeable mainly in areas to the east of Oak Hill, and will be most noticeable in Dorchester, Mattapan, Quincy, and Milton. Except for upscale Milton, those are, of course, the areas that WUNR and WRCA target. Because of its higher power, less restricitve patterns, and the greater distance of its move, WKOX will experience the greatest improvements in its signal to the east and north of Oak Hill. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Fybush" > >To: "Laurence Glavin" > >Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 > >Laurence Glavin wrote: > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. > >The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: > >TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. > >:-) > >s > > Yow...about 30 minutes after the original posting, I realized that > I probably got it wrong. On more than a few occasions I've tuned > to WUNR not far from the 800 tower, under WCCM and WNNW, and observed > imaging from the 800 outlet. Wait until WUNR boosts its power at > the Sawmill Brook Parkway site; the signals will really > do battle. > S > I > D > E > B > A > R: The first year I was in the Air Force, I was assigned to a base in > Spokane, WA, so I was looking forward to your spread on that City's > radio scene, and it certainly is fine so far. Remember, even today, > Spokane is not much bigger than Hartford/W. Hartford combined and the metro > area is no great shakes either. Spokane must be one of the most over-radioed > cities in the country. No wonder you reference stations that over the years > have gone silent (and you didn't even mention KLFF-AM 1590, Mead, WA. > > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Apr 6 17:24:35 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:24:35 -0300 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00a101c77891$fa0a0460$0200a8c0@Tanguray> We also might consider that although Arbitron is all we have, the process is flawed and favors rabid radio affectionados. In addition note that ratings bottom out around .4 ...I believe that the percentage of error also equates to around .4 or .5 rating points last time I looked at it. So you could be a .4 and not be rated (or be rated a .8), or be a 0 and be rated a .4. BTW "rabid radio affectionados" translates well in Portuguese. Please don't use my post to start an Arbitron debate, they are trying to adjust things to get better accuracy, but for the AM band...they better hurry. Roger (former mostly non-rated AM Station salesperson) WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. > But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? > > It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings still make money > but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and > maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or > none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow > they find the money from advertising. > > Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? > (Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in > a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) WTTT has never shown in > the ratings with its conservative talk format but Salem Comm. > apparently hasn't had a problem with that. Just run those national > spots for "rich, chocolate Ovaltine" and Tanya Roberts inviting you to > "get out of Dodge--stir up some romantic passion in the most > exciting city on Earth. Las Vegas is calling!" > > You've heard those ads too, eh? ...constantly. > > I get the feeling Clr Chnl didn't have any sales managers working for > WKOX/WXKS exclusively (as prog talk); they were probably shared with other stations > in the cluster, and maybe they didn't make an effort to sell local > advertising. (It's also possible that the company made so much money > with Jamn 94.5 and Kiss 108, that they could run the 2 AMs as a > break-even or even lose-money proposition with AAR and now with Rumba. > Whether they have sales people dedicated to those 2 AMs now, I don't > know, but some AM stations can at least break even with specialty > formats like this. > > Again, had CC put on local hosts, waited for the signal of 1200 > to improve (should be done in a few months), promoted the station, > and perhaps had some sales people go out there to sell spots, > it could still be prog talk today. Do you get the feeling that CC > was just running AAR as a placeholder format: if it works, great, > if not then change format or even try to sell the 2 stations-- > but didn't quite make any effort to promote the station OR > sell ads for it? (Or maybe they were trying to stave off the > Fairness Doctrine coming back...) > > Just turn on the "computer in a closet" while we concentrate > on the FMs... > > By the way I gotta laugh. Go to the Clear Channel site and type in > WXKS under station search. Apparently WXKS runs "nostalgia" with a > logo saying "Boston's Original Hits". > > A format they abandoned on Oct 4, 2004...nice they updated the site. > > As for WKOX, type in those calls and you get the Rumba logo... > and the format "Progressive Talk". Seriously... > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 6 23:56:19 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:56:19 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com>, <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Apr 2007 at 12:57, Sean Smyth wrote: > >From the previously linked release: > "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los > Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets > included in the transaction with ACBJ." Vulcan Sports Media? Do they have a nerve-pinching competition? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 05:17:33 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:17:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba > 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. > > Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in > the ratings? The Boston ratings published to the general public online only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've occasionally seen the further breakdowns right down to 0.0, and stations that people think have "no ratings" judging by what they see on the public on-line sites are often actually getting shares from 0.1 to 0.3. Those are not high enough to be competitive in a major market in most cases, but it's not true that those stations have absolutely "no ratings" just because they don't show up on the public online sites because they haven't gotten an 0.4 or better. Though I've never seen WWZN appear on the online publishing because they've always been under 0.4, I've usually seen them at around 0.2 whenever I've had the opportunity to see the entire breakdowns. This is, of course, severe underperformance for a 50 kW signal, but there are people listening. > > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Larry Weil" , "'Bob Nelson'" > , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0500 > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM > 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 COL Lawrence. ... I > think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham > doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets > elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than > WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? WRCA has shown up with a 0.4 a couple of times over the past few years, so they could be just under the published ratings with an 0.3 now. I don't think brokered stations are as concerned about their overall ratings as long as the programmers still feel that they have listeners, are getting sponsors for themselves, and continue to pay the stations for the airtime. > > From: Sean Smyth > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > I'm amazed that WUNR cracked the ratings. With the > diversity of programs on there, do you know how many > ears they need to get to listen to each of those programs > to show up in the book? (I'm shocked they even subscribe > to Arbitron to begin with.) I'd imagine their TSL isn't > the best. Their Spanish programming seems to be pretty solid at certain key times on weekdays lately, which is probably where the bulk of their ratings are coming from. It is listed as "Spanish" in the Arb. EP From me@billoneill.us Sat Apr 7 12:33:33 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:33:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com>, <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4617C7DD.20400@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Vulcan Sports Media? Do they have a nerve-pinching competition? > > Perhaps they are a successor business of General Tire & _Rubber_ Company? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Apr 7 13:45:05 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:45:05 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.e arthlink.net> References: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070407174517.8E1B4450F13@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >it was said-- >The Boston ratings published to the general public online >only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've >occasionally seen the further breakdowns right down to >0.0, and stations that people think have "no ratings" >judging by what they see on the public on-line sites >are often actually getting shares from 0.1 to 0.3. And unless I misunderstand, Arbitron still does not rate streaming or on-line listening, which is very popular for progressive talk fans, given the weak signals that the format is generally on. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 7 13:56:30 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:56:30 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070407175631.1DE5383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>The Boston ratings published to the general public online only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've heard about "stations getting an asterisk in the ratings" meaning they were too low to be published so they were marked thusly (*)... but, good point. > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: Yes, I think I had said in my post that these stations have either no ratings or "_lackluster_" ratings... something like that. >>I don't think brokered stations are as concerned about their overall ratings as long as the programmers still feel that they have listeners, are getting sponsors for themselves, and continue to pay the stations for the airtime. Yes. As far as language is concerned, by the way, I think WKOX and WXKS run some ads in English. I was scanning the dial and heard an ad in English on one of the Rumba stations then some kind of announcement that said "This traffic report brought to you by..."--followed by an announcer in Spanish. Though I thought he was mentioning what he was going to play rather than giving a traffic report. As the old Wall of Voodoo song "Mexican Radio" said, "No comprende, it's a riddle..." From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 07:29:30 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:29:30 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: That would be TRL Latino. This countdown started up a couple of years ago when the Reggaton music craze swept the US Hispanic community. The show is popular on Spanish CHR's and English language rhythmic CHR's in heavily hispanic markets. The English/Spanish mix in talkups is by design, as the show targets second and third generation Hispanics 18-34 who are equally versed in both languages. This show is an offshoot of the TRL Weekend Countdown, which MTV has syndicated for several years now. There are mainstream and rhythmic versions of TRL. It's not nearly as popular as Rick Dees or American Top 40 with Ryan Seacrest. At this point I think TRL Latino may have more affiliates than it's mainstream English language counterpart. I think they have affiliage -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > WNNW-800 also runs a Spanish-English hybrid Top 30 show put out by MTV > each > Saturday. Even the DJ will freely mix English and Spanish in her > monologue, > and the 30 hits are about 60/40 English Language > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry, New Hampshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Laurence Glavin > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM > To: Larry Weil; 'Bob Nelson'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Weil" > To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Nelson >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM >> To: BostonRadio Mailing List >> Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >> >> It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y >> 1430 didn't show up at all. >> Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >> speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL > Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR > has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that > WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal > over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 13:57:07 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:57:07 -0400 Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG Message-ID: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> It looks like Jim Rome is the odd man out with the move of Mike Felger to 3-6pm on 890 ESPN. To keep ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick on the schedule, WAMG is now running the full three hours of Colin Cowherd 10a-1pm, then Patrick from 1-3. While Rome's show was an acquired taste, I liked it better than either Cowherd or Patrick, neither of whom have much of an edge to them. Rome was a good alternative to WEEI, which I like in the midday but you tend to get the gist of Dale and Holley's four hour show after only 20 minutes of listening. I just took a look at Rome's website and there's nothing on the loss of WAMG mentioned. His affiliate list also includes WNNZ/Springfield which also recently dropped his program when CC LMA'd the station to WFCR. Outside of a handful of stations in Maine, his show is not heard anywhere in New England. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 14:18:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG In-Reply-To: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> References: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0704091118h2e0b9c78o430f0bca408ddf1f@mail.gmail.com> Rome is syndicated by Premiere, I believe...wonder if he may wind up at WWZN somehow though they're prob. committed to running Sporting News Radio shows. On 4/9/07, David Tomm wrote: > It looks like Jim Rome is the odd man out with the move of Mike Felger > to 3-6pm on 890 ESPN. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 15:31:17 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0704091118h2e0b9c78o430f0bca408ddf1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <177176.4143.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Rome is syndicated by Premiere, I believe...wonder if he may wind up > at WWZN > somehow though they're prob. committed to running Sporting News Radio > shows. Rome is on the Providence sports stations, so he'll still be able to be heard south of the city. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 9 20:59:53 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:59:53 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension Message-ID: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his suspension. More on the suspension and reaction to the comments can be found here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=IADES&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Mark Watson From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 21:07:02 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <271839.45653.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last I knew, he ran on The Fox in Rutland. --- Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio > & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on > his show last week about > the Rutgers University women's basketball team. > Imus' radio show originates > at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by > Westwood One. WTKK 96.9 > airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live > from his radio studio > from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus > during his suspension. > > More on the suspension and reaction to the > comments can be found here: > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=IADES&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT > > Mark Watson > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 21:25:13 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:25:13 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: Just a sniggly point here...Imus actually does his radio show from the MSNBC studios in New Jersey. He moved out of the WFAN studios in Queens a couple of years back, but they remain the radio flagship. The network built him a special set that works better for TV but is still a functioning radio studio. I saw something online awhile ago that said Imus has the number one cable news morning show beating CNN This Morning and Fox & Friends. That may not be saying much in comparison to his radio audience, but still.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week > about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show > originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood > One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from > his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his > suspension. > Mark Watson From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Apr 9 21:39:36 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:39:36 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' show. They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things which Imus and his crew have said over the years at this link/ http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:25 PM To: Mark Watson Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension Just a sniggly point here...Imus actually does his radio show from the MSNBC studios in New Jersey. He moved out of the WFAN studios in Queens a couple of years back, but they remain the radio flagship. The network built him a special set that works better for TV but is still a functioning radio studio. I saw something online awhile ago that said Imus has the number one cable news morning show beating CNN This Morning and Fox & Friends. That may not be saying much in comparison to his radio audience, but still.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week > about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show > originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood > One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from > his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his > suspension. > Mark Watson From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:41:03 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:41:03 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, radiotony wrote: > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 What I don't get is why the delay in the suspension... when you suspend someone, don't you do it immediately? Why wait until the beginning of the week? -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Apr 9 22:55:35 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:55:35 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: Someone needs to explain to FAIR that Imus has made a career out of saying outlandish things. That is what he is paid to do. He want too far this time, but pushing the envelope is what he does. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "radiotony" To: "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is > calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' show. > They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things which > Imus > and his crew have said over the years at this link/ > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 23:07:18 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:07:18 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: <8ea45fcb4a9ef67b12ff548707dab405@charter.net> I'm surprised no one has brought up the case of Mark & Brian, longtime morning hosts at classic rocker KLOS in Los Angeles. Several years ago they got into a similar situation when they gave away "little black hoes." They were literally black plastic garden hoes. Obviously the theatre of the mind got way out of control and they wound up getting suspended. They took a week or two off, made numerous apologies, then returned to the air as if nothing happened. My guess is that the same thing will happen with the I-Man. Sharpton's bluster is nothing more than a calculated move to draw attention to his own fledgling talk show syndicated by Radio One to a bunch of low powered AM stations (including WILD) that few people listen to. I'm firmly convinced this whole dustup has nothing to do with drawing attention to racism and everything to do with promotion--during the spring book no less. MSNBC, CBS and Radio One must be loving the publicity. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 9:39 PM, radiotony wrote: > Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is > calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' > show. > They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things > which Imus > and his crew have said over the years at this link/ > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 > > Best, > Tony Schinella > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > David Tomm > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:25 PM > To: Mark Watson > Cc: Boston Radio > Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > > Just a sniggly point here...Imus actually does his radio show from the > MSNBC studios in New Jersey. He moved out of the WFAN studios in > Queens a couple of years back, but they remain the radio flagship. The > network built him a special set that works better for TV but is still a > functioning radio studio. I saw something online awhile ago that said > Imus has the number one cable news morning show beating CNN This > Morning and Fox & Friends. That may not be saying much in comparison > to his radio audience, but still.... > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next >> Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week >> about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show >> originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood >> One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from >> his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. >> No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his >> suspension. >> Mark Watson > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Apr 10 06:49:13 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:49:13 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <002101c77b5d$e18f7a40$a201a8c0@BrianVaio> Having spent Monday driving to NC and listening to various news/talk programs on XM the entire day, I thought that I had heard this program to death. What caught my ear was a caller, supposedly another talk show host whose name I missed, to the Rusty Humphries show who said that the "nappy headed ho's" comment was just the tip of the iceberg from that show and that the actual meat that really pushed everyone over the edge was so nasty that the sound bite could not be replayed. A check of Wikipedia produced this transcript: " DON IMUS: So, I watched the basketball game last night between -- a little bit of Rutgers and Tennessee, the women's final. SID ROSENBERG: Yeah, Tennessee won last night -- seventh championship for [Tennessee coach] Pat Summitt, I-Man. They beat Rutgers by 13 points. IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and -- BERNARD McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos. IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some -- woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like -- kinda like -- I don't know. McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing. IMUS: Yeah. McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes -- that movie that he had. IMUS: Yeah, it was a tough -- CHARLES McCORD: Do the Right Thing. McGUIRK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. IMUS: I don't know if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers or not, but they did, right? ROSENBERG: It was a tough watch. The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the Toronto Raptors. " This quote, if accurate would explain a bit more fully the outrage that I've been hearing. Since I don't listen to Imus I can't vouch for it. I suppose the one thing that offended more was that the loudest mouth piece making noise was that professional victim Al Sharpton. I find any of his demands for apology and reparations, particularly that Imus should be fired, to be equally offensive. To Al I only have two words: Tawana Brawley. I don't recall much of an apology or demands he be defrocked there. As far as Imus, I think that he was an idiot for saying it and a bigger idiot for going on Sharpton's show for redemption. I can only wonder how much Sharpton tried to shake him down for, much like Jessie Jackson does, for "redemption". Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Watson > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:00 PM > To: Boston Radio > Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV > starting next Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he > made on his show last week about the Rutgers University > women's basketball team. Imus' radio show originates at WFAN > New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One. WTKK > 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from > his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his > suspension. > > More on the suspension and reaction to the comments can be > found here: > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=IADE > S&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT > > Mark Watson > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Tue Apr 10 08:09:33 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:09:33 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <000301c77b1d$16667570$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> <521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> <000301c77b1d$16667570$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10704100509p76480941s651a402a55a4ee24@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, Dave Doherty wrote: > Normally, a suspension would be immediate, but - > > > Imus is a hugely profitable entity for CBS and NBC, and extremely > influential politically. > > Imus gets four days to decide whether to atone or fight back. > > NBC and CBS get a week to evaluate the political situation and line up > alternate talent. > > Sharpton gets a boost by roasting Imus on his show while Imus satisfies CBS > and NBC by atoning to Sharpton. Imus apparently also has a Radio-Thon on Thursday and Friday that he does annually. This was the reason for the delay. He was on the Today Show this AMas well. The MSNBC-NBC-CBS marketing machine is grinding and grinding, undoubtedly to a lot of people's benefit - maybe even the Rutger's Women's Team. Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 10 12:29:17 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:29:17 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark><002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> <521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002c01c77b8d$637585c0$6e9a4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Kelly To: radiotony Cc: Boston Radio Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > On 4/9/07, radiotony wrote: > > > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 > > What I don't get is why the delay in the suspension... when you > suspend someone, don't you do it immediately? Why wait until the > beginning of the week? > > -- > -Rick Kelly > www.northeastairchecks.com > > That was my immediate reaction, too. Could there be some language in Imus' contract prohibiting an immediate suspension, or could CBS Radio's syndication people just be trying to figure out what they can send down the line to the affiliates during Imus' absence? After all, two weeks of "Best of Imus" wouldn't make a lot of sense in this situation, seeing as how he's being suspended for the sort of deliberately insensitive remarks he makes on just about every show. Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 10 13:06:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:06:21 -0500 Subject: Beverly Times 1976 article about "new" station, WMWM Salem State Message-ID: <20070410170624.9038483C21@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Courtesy of Jim Murphy, WMWM alumnus who's had a long career in broadcasting (WLYN-FM, WDLW, Ch 25, Great American Country, Jones Radio Country), here's an article from the Beverly Times dated April 7, 1976 about Salem State's radio station which was about to take the airwaves (actual first air date was 4/26/76, I believe). This is a 1 MB picture file--you will probably have to hit the "zoom" button on your browser to see it better. http://wmwm.250free.com/WMWM_040776.jpg A mighty 10 watts! It was due to go on air 4/20/76 but an equipment problem (freq wasn't totally centered on 91.7) delayed it a week or so. At the time it was the North Shore's first non-commercial station. ---- "The three commercial radio stations on the North Shore--WESX, WMLO, and WLYN-- are doing a good job of serving the area," Murphy said. "But we hope to offer some kind of alternative." Musically WMWM-FM will feature "mostly rock and roll, veering away from the Top 40...We can play whatever kind of music we want...jazz, some rhythm and blues, maybe even some classical.'" (Note: yours truly has been with WMWM for all but the first 4 years of its 31 year existence...) From sid@wrko.com Tue Apr 10 15:33:37 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:33:37 -0600 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension Message-ID: >>I suppose the one thing that offended more was that the loudest mouth piece making noise was that professional victim Al Sharpton. I find any of his demands for apology and reparations, particularly that Imus should be fired, to be equally offensive. To Al I only have two words: Tawana Brawley. I don't recall much of an apology or demands he be defrocked there.<< Nor have I heard Jesse Jackson apologize to Jews for his "Hymietown" remark. >>As far as Imus, I think that he was an idiot for saying it and a bigger idiot for going on Sharpton's show for redemption. I can only wonder how much Sharpton tried to shake him down for, much like Jessie Jackson does, for "redemption".<< I thought Imus was a good deal smarter than to walk head-first into a setup. There was nothing he could have said or done to get himself off the hook with Sharpton or Jackson, and Imus should have known that. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dave@skywaves.net Tue Apr 10 08:38:47 2007 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:38:47 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> <521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> <000301c77b1d$16667570$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> <521b7fd10704100509p76480941s651a402a55a4ee24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004001c77b6d$2f356a70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> > The MSNBC-NBC-CBS marketing > machine is grinding and grinding, undoubtedly to a lot of people's > benefit - maybe even the Rutger's Women's Team. And almost certainly to Imus' benefit in the long run. "No such thing as bad publicity." From tmw207@netzero.com Tue Apr 10 12:48:27 2007 From: tmw207@netzero.com (Terry Wood) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:48:27 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark><002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net><521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c77b8d$637585c0$6e9a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002a01c77b90$11e70b90$513c9441@WoodFamilyComputer> He has a "Radiothon" Thursday and Friday of this week, that raises a hell of a lot of money for various charities. They can't afford to suspend him during those. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Rick Kelly" ; "radiotony" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Kelly > To: radiotony > Cc: Boston Radio > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > > >> On 4/9/07, radiotony wrote: >> >> > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 >> >> What I don't get is why the delay in the suspension... when you >> suspend someone, don't you do it immediately? Why wait until the >> beginning of the week? >> >> -- >> -Rick Kelly >> www.northeastairchecks.com >> >> > > That was my immediate reaction, too. Could there be some language in Imus' > contract prohibiting an immediate suspension, or could CBS Radio's > syndication people just be trying to figure out what they can send down > the > line to the affiliates during Imus' absence? After all, two weeks of "Best > of Imus" wouldn't make a lot of sense in this situation, seeing as how > he's > being suspended for the sort of deliberately insensitive remarks he makes > on > just about every show. > > Howard > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000732-0, 04/10/2007 Tested on: 4/10/2007 12:48:32 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 15:42:25 2007 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave in Boston) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:42:25 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark><002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net><521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com><000301c77b1d$16667570$336ba8c0@skywaves.net><521b7fd10704100509p76480941s651a402a55a4ee24@mail.gmail.com> <004001c77b6d$2f356a70$336ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: >> The MSNBC-NBC-CBS marketing >> machine is grinding and grinding, undoubtedly to a lot of people's >> benefit - maybe even the Rutger's Women's Team. > > > And almost certainly to Imus' benefit in the long run. "No such thing as > bad > publicity." Hey, a contravery just in time for the Spring rating period! (Which just began!) Don From me@billoneill.us Tue Apr 10 16:01:18 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:01:18 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461BED0E.80309@billoneill.us> Sid Schweiger wrote: > I thought Imus was a good deal smarter than to walk head-first into a > setup. There was nothing he could have said or done to get himself off > the hook with Sharpton or Jackson, and Imus should have known that. > I think that Imus caught Sharpton off-guard with his contrite presentation. Notice that the first segment ended with "Imus showed up, y'all" (and that even was captured by Drudge). Sharpton exited the studio during that and subsequent breaks, likely for more than a coffee refill but for a strategy-huddle. Anyone who has ever interviewed guests where it is contentious knows that you stay put if you really do intend to "keep it real." Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 11 00:04:20 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:04:20 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461C2604.22348.2BE5DA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Apr 2007 at 13:33, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Nor have I heard Jesse Jackson apologize to Jews for his "Hymietown" > remark. Actually, I believe he did, shortly after he made the remark. Sharpton has not, so far as I know, apologized to the man whose life was ruined by Tawana Brawley's false accusations and Sharpton's advocacy for her. Neither, so far as I know, has Tawana Brawley. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Apr 11 19:57:44 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:57:44 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> This just in from http://www.orbitcast.com/: MSNBC has cancelled Imus, at least for now the show continues on radio. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Apr 11 20:38:46 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:38:46 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> Message-ID: <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> Even more damage to a (not-too-bright?) copier of Imus' ill-advised choice of words: According to R&R, Classic Hits WSBG/Stroudsburg, Pa., (Nassau Broadcasting ) morning man Gary Smith was fired for using the words "I'm a nappy-headed ho" as the "phrase that pays" on the "Gary in the Morning" show" yesterday. From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Apr 12 00:22:04 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:22:04 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <51759d56a7383b3ad52805d3ab0f4b4c@charter.net> The interesting sidebar to this story is that WSBG's AM sister station across the hall runs Imus, and as of last check the I-man hasn't been dropped from that station. Smith had been doing mornings on WSBG for 17 years prior to his dismissal. If the AM station continues to run Imus, maybe there were other reasons behind Smith's firing. Maybe he was challenging station management to drop Imus from the AM by doing what he did and it backfired. There's got to be more to this story. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Even more damage to a (not-too-bright?) copier of Imus' ill-advised > choice of words: > > According to R&R, Classic Hits WSBG/Stroudsburg, Pa., (Nassau > Broadcasting ) morning man Gary Smith was fired for using the words > "I'm a nappy-headed ho" as the "phrase that pays" on the "Gary in the > Morning" show" yesterday. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 12 00:44:02 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:44:02 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com>, <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Apr 2007 at 20:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > According to R&R, Classic Hits WSBG/Stroudsburg, Pa., (Nassau > Broadcasting ) morning man Gary Smith was fired for using the words > "I'm a nappy-headed ho" as the "phrase that pays" on the "Gary in the > Morning" show" yesterday. Funny I haven't heard any mention of the FCC coming down on the stations which broadcast those tasteless remarks. Apparently anything goes as long as people don't get a fleeting glimpse of someone's bare breast. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rickajho@rcn.com Thu Apr 12 12:14:44 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:14:44 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com>, <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 11 Apr 2007 at 20:38, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > According to R&R, Classic Hits WSBG/Stroudsburg, Pa., (Nassau > > Broadcasting ) morning man Gary Smith was fired for using the words > > "I'm a nappy-headed ho" as the "phrase that pays" on the "Gary in the > > Morning" show" yesterday. > > Funny I haven't heard any mention of the FCC coming down on the > stations which broadcast those tasteless remarks. Apparently > anything goes as long as people don't get a fleeting glimpse of > someone's bare breast. > Well, if you break it down and pull out your dictionary neither "nappy", "headed", or "ho" is a swear word. And that's probably where the FCC draws the line. If Imus had included an expletive in the phrase I'm sure the FCC would have been all over it. Appparently the FCC has a very technical definition of what's offensive and what isn't... Rick From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 13:15:19 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> So if WFAN does fire Imus, in what direction does it turn? They've had a rarely sports show produce for them for 19 years now. And separately, you have to factor in the other stations that pick up Imus by syndication. Two major decisions for CBS. ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Apr 12 13:57:51 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:57:51 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net> Syndication seems to be taking care of itself. Imus lost affiliates in Portland, OR, Charleston, SC and Stroudsberg, PA just in the last day or so. By the end of his suspension, there probably won't be too many stations left. You have to wonder how long WTKK will stick with him. They've already announced that Mike Barnicle will fill in for Imus during the suspension period. Does GM hire a sidekick for Barnicle and make it permanent? Possibly. As far as WFAN goes, they'll probably do what WEEI did when they dropped Imus--bring in a couple of local sports media types and have them do a sports & 'man talk' style show in that daypart. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 12, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > So if WFAN does fire Imus, in what direction does it turn? > > They've had a rarely sports show produce for them for 19 years now. > > And separately, you have to factor in the other stations that pick up > Imus by syndication. > > Two major decisions for CBS. > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:20:01 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net> Message-ID: <668086.19404.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David Tomm wrote: > Syndication seems to be taking care of itself. Imus lost affiliates > in > Portland, OR, Charleston, SC and Stroudsberg, PA just in the last day > > or so. By the end of his suspension, there probably won't be too > many > stations left. You'd figure CBS would be more proactive in holding onto those affiliates and develop some alternative programming to keep cash coming in. Then again, is Imus merely barter nowadays? > You have to wonder how long WTKK will stick with him. > > They've already announced that Mike Barnicle will fill in for Imus > during the suspension period. Does GM hire a sidekick for Barnicle > and > make it permanent? Possibly. Imus and Dan Shaughnessy could carry things OK, I'd think. > As far as WFAN goes, they'll probably do what WEEI did when they > dropped Imus--bring in a couple of local sports media types and have > > them do a sports & 'man talk' style show in that daypart. Sid Rosenberg would be a logical part of that team since he did a similar show on WNEW when it was talk, but he's already had many issues, has been cut loose by WFAN a number of times and was part of the nappy-headed hos bit as Imus' sports update guy. ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 12 14:27:42 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <668086.19404.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <668086.19404.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <461E7A1E.2080506@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > You'd figure CBS would be more proactive in holding onto those > affiliates and develop some alternative programming to keep cash coming > in. Then again, is Imus merely barter nowadays? Not in the bigger markets - my understanding is he lost his slot on WHTK 1280 here in Rochester because WW1 wanted a big chunk of cash for the clearance. Maybe that's changed now...I don't know. But the syndication piece of Imus is minimal compared to the revenue he pulls in on WFAN. With the exception of WTKK, which is easily his most successful affiliate outside NYC, he's on a bunch of rimshotters (his "LA" clearance is a daytimer on 1050 in Riverside County that gets buried by KNX anywhere west of I-605, for those who know the territory) and also-ran signals. Losing all of those would have almost no economic impact. Losing MSNBC was a blow to Imus, since its national reach in some ways negated the need for radio affiliates around the country. And for WFAN, losing the revenue Imus brought in would be devastating. Remember when he used to end the show (and for all I know, he still does) with the liner "This concludes the revenue-generating portion of our broadcast day"? There was - and is - a lot of truth in that statement where WFAN is concerned. s From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 12 14:34:24 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:34:24 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c77d31$36c6b490$0201a8c0@Family> Rick wrote: >>Well, if you break it down and pull out your dictionary neither "nappy", "headed", or "ho" is a swear word. And that's probably where the FCC draws the line. If Imus had included an expletive in the phrase I'm sure the FCC would have been all over it. Appparently the FCC has a very technical definition of what's offensive and what isn't...<< and what i find almost amusing (not the comment but how this is playing out) is that every media is repeating the phrase, both electronic and in print (USA Today uses the direct quote in 3 different parts of the paper this day), and doing so without fear of retribution or backlash. so what's up with that? once someone falls on a sword for a severe lack of judgement (ie: mouth engaged before brain could catch up), then it's okay for every major media outlet to repeat that which has caused such an uproar? and it's being quoted in context, with direct relationship to the innocent targets. where is the uproar and protest outside of the headquarters of every other major media outlet in the country (world) that has allowed the repetition of this remark to be printed or broadcast? could i go on the air and quote George Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" bit, so long as i use "quotation marks" and directly attribute the bit to George? of course not, but it would sure make an interesting defense. - - Chuck Igo From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 14:35:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:35:33 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> If "nappy headed" is a swear, we'd have to ban the song "I Wish" by Stevie Wonder from airplay... Word has it the I-Man is could be out in Bangor, ME, too From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 14:43:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:43:11 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <001401c77d31$36c6b490$0201a8c0@Family> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <001401c77d31$36c6b490$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0704121143t56fc3ff4q8146c87d710978c3@mail.gmail.com> >>every media is repeating the phrase Yes--they can say they're using it to relay what Imus had said (Hannity & callers were using it yesterday). However in incidents like Michael Richards at the comedy club, talk hosts replaced the offensive word with "the N word": "So when you have people like Michael Richards saying...I won't say it but it's 'the N-word'..." There was a call to band "the N word" in songs, etc., since it's racially insensitive. I will say however that it turns up in the long version of Stevie Wonder's "Living for the City" though it's being said by a policeman throwing a falsely accused black man into a cell...maybe if people agreed not to say the word, that would have to be bleeped or something. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:52:23 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <668086.19404.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <590333.23887.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Imus and Dan Shaughnessy could carry things OK, I'd think. Of course, I meant Barnicle and Shaughnessy. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Apr 12 15:03:07 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:03:07 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > If "nappy headed" is a swear, we'd have to ban the song "I Wish" by > Stevie Wonder from airplay... Does this mean no more playing the song "Nappy Head" by War (circa 1970s) too? From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 15:14:34 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:14:34 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net> References: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net> Message-ID: <461E851A.9030500@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > Syndication seems to be taking care of itself. Imus lost affiliates > in Portland, OR, Charleston, SC and Stroudsberg, PA just in the last > day or so. By the end of his suspension, there probably won't be too > many stations left. I don't understand why stations would want to dump Imus. With all of the publicity, it's got to be great for numbers. Imus' idiotic slur did grave damage by forcing the real race issues back 15 years. Advocates like Bill Cosby can't be happy about what Imus has done. But to keep Imus on to prove his repentance is real would make too much sense. After all this is radio. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Apr 12 15:28:48 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:28:48 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E851A.9030500@billoneill.us> References: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net> <461E851A.9030500@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <461E8870.8020204@ttlc.net> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Imus' idiotic slur did grave damage by forcing the real race issues > back 15 years. Advocates like Bill Cosby can't be happy about what > Imus has done. But to keep Imus on to prove his repentance is real > would make too much sense. By cutting Imus off at the knees, crippling him permanently and never allowing him to either repent and/or rehabilitate will keep this major injustice frozen forever in time. "Never Forgive. Never Forget." From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Apr 12 16:09:03 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:09:03 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:03 PM 4/12/2007, Roger Kirk wrote: >Bob Nelson wrote: >>If "nappy headed" is a swear, we'd have to ban the song "I Wish" by >>Stevie Wonder from airplay... Umm, Stevie never said he was a nappy headed ho'... he said he recalled his childhood as a nappy headed BOY. The issue was not about the hair-- a wonderful children's book by Carolivia Herron discusses a little black child who is made fun of because her hair is so different from everyone else's in the class. The issue is about calling young women athletes whores, even in a joke. From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 16:16:38 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:16:38 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> Donna Halper wrote: > The issue is about calling young women athletes whores, even in a joke. If that were the case, then wouldn't Rev. Sharpton be playing against type? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Apr 12 16:35:17 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:35:17 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:16 PM 4/12/2007, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Donna Halper wrote: >>The issue is about calling young women athletes whores, even in a joke. > >If that were the case, then wouldn't Rev. Sharpton be playing against type? I don't wanna get into a debate about Sharpton, who is not a particular favourite of mine. But I do believe it is inappopropriate for anyone, rightie or leftie, to call people they don't know "nappy headed whores." From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 12 16:37:25 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:37:25 -0600 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: >>Funny I haven't heard any mention of the FCC coming down on the stations which broadcast those tasteless remarks. Apparently anything goes as long as people don't get a fleeting glimpse of someone's bare breast.<< Tasteless remarks don't violate any FCC rules or federal laws...and lest we forget, there is no right in the Constitution or anywhere else not to be offended. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Apr 12 16:39:39 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:39:39 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000301c77d42$b1cbb760$15632620$@net> I disagree slightly with Donna: It was a combination of the "nappy-headed," which has a racial connotation, and "'ho," which is a slang for whore and a racial connotation. If he had not mentioned anything which involved race, and said "bimbos" or "sluts" or something like that, it wouldn't have been appropriate, but it wouldn't have had the kinda of reaction that "nappy-headed hos" had. Best, Tony Schinella From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Apr 12 16:45:03 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:45:03 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <461E9A4F.3050204@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: > The issue is about calling young women athletes whores, even in a joke. But, somehow it IS acceptable for black artists to record and radio/TV stations to play Rap/Hip-Hop music and videos visually and verbally extolling the virtues/shortcomings of "hos" ? From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 16:44:59 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:44:59 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <461E9A4B.6060301@billoneill.us> Donna Halper wrote: > But I do believe it is inappopropriate for anyone, rightie or leftie, > to call people they don't know "nappy headed whores." I could not agree with you more on that. The Rutgers students have behaved quite honorably since this hit The Fan. How far the school goes publicly prior to a sit-down with Imus will reveal more about the emphasis here, politics or healing. Bill O'Neill From markwats@comcast.net Thu Apr 12 16:50:10 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:50:10 -0400 Subject: CBS Fires Imus Message-ID: <000d01c77d44$298ad140$a6d38018@Mark> WHDH Channel 7 just reported that CBS has fired Don Imus as a result of his comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 12 16:51:28 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:51:28 -0500 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC (CBS too) Message-ID: <20070412205130.E6C4249B80A@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The other shoe has dropped. Wire services apparently reporting CBS has fired Imus...Howie Carr just mentioned too ----- Original Message From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Apr 12 16:54:21 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:54:21 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461E9A4F.3050204@ttlc.net> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <461E9A4F.3050204@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000901c77d44$bf531610$3df94230$@net> Well, dare I say this, a lot of rappers ARE singing about whores - prostitutes on the street, escorts, and whatever. If you buy into the theory that rappers are artists who are reflecting society, or what is goin' on down in da street, well den dere might be some legit to dis [dialect added for effect]. Now, one could make the argument that this is free speech or that this isn't a healthy thing to be having on the air. I personally agree with the latter. It is one thing to make a joke. It is another thing for a guy like Imus who has done this over and over and over and over again ... Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:45 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC Donna Halper wrote: > The issue is about calling young women athletes whores, even in a joke. But, somehow it IS acceptable for black artists to record and radio/TV stations to play Rap/Hip-Hop music and videos visually and verbally extolling the virtues/shortcomings of "hos" ? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 16:55:46 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:55:46 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <000301c77d42$b1cbb760$15632620$@net> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net> <461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com> <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com> <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us> <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <000301c77d42$b1cbb760$15632620$@net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0704121355s78f92c2duc640023b731844c1@mail.gmail.com> Via CNN and other sources: gone from CBS too, Won't even get to do show tomorrow (via WFAN Mike and the mad dog) From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 12 17:07:20 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:07:20 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <907685.7051.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6db47a82de4cacbe6a89533345eab10b@charter.net><461E851A.9030500@billoneill.us> <461E8870.8020204@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002c01c77d46$8fbd9ea0$09884c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kirk To: Bill O'Neill Cc: Boston Radio Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC > > > Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Imus' idiotic slur did grave damage by forcing the real race issues > > back 15 years. Advocates like Bill Cosby can't be happy about what > > Imus has done. But to keep Imus on to prove his repentance is real > > would make too much sense. > By cutting Imus off at the knees, crippling him permanently and never > allowing him to either repent and/or rehabilitate will keep this major > injustice frozen forever in time. > > "Never Forgive. Never Forget." > How long before Mel Karmazin rolls out the red carpet at Sirius for Imus, recreating, sort of, that brief period of WNBC history that saw Imus in morning drive and Howard Stern in evening drive? Howard From markwats@comcast.net Thu Apr 12 17:13:29 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:13:29 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC (CBS too) References: <20070412205130.E6C4249B80A@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005d01c77d47$6c090930$a6d38018@Mark> Bob Nelson wrote: > The other shoe has dropped. Wire services apparently >reporting CBS has > fired Imus...Howie Carr just mentioned too And as Bob mentioned in his subsequent post, the firing is apparently effective immediately, and that Imus won't be on tomorrow, which was slated to be the second day of his radiothon, which the AP reports had raised about 1.3 million dollars prior to the announcement of Imus' firing. What happens to day 2 of the radiothon, and what is the fate of the rest of the Imus show team (Bernard McGirk, behind the scenes writers, producers, etc.) ? Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 12 17:27:59 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:27:59 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC (CBS too) References: <20070412205130.E6C4249B80A@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004701c77d49$75f31ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> This will NEVER be proven, but it seems to me completely certain that someone high up in the chain of command at CBS, while discussing with Imus his declining ratings, their effect on the upcoming spring sweeps, and the effect they were likely to have on the revenues produced by Imus's show (and hence on Imus's longevity and future earnings), told Imus to be more outrageous because being outrageous was the surest way to boost ratings. (I don't even know the name of anyone high up in the CBS chain of command, so I certainly have no clue who might have said this, but the conversation MUST have taken place. I imagine that the higher-up said nothing about the ways in which Imus might choose to be more outrageous. After all, Imus virtually wrote the book on outrageous radio.) Well, Imus and McGuirk had it all figured out perfectly--up to a point. They got publicity worth TENS of MILLIONS of dollars. From what I've heard about the interchange with Sharpton on Sharpton's show, that part also went off without a hitch. Where Imus and McGuirk miscalculated was in the length of the backlash's legs. I can't believe that the dual firings by MSNBC and CBS were part of their plan, although the two-week suspension surely must have been. Indeed, Imus was probably prepared for a longer suspension. However, if CBS and then MSNBC recant and reinstate Imus's show, or if Mel Karmazin and Sirius rescue the I-man, the Imus/McGuirk outrageous-stunt plan may yet prove to have been one of the biggest winners in radio history. Right up there with Opie and Anthony at St Patrick's. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC (CBS too) > The other shoe has dropped. Wire services apparently reporting CBS has fired Imus...Howie Carr just mentioned too > > ----- Original Message > From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 15:59:56 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:59:56 -0400 Subject: Carr tracks on Imus Message-ID: <461E8FBC.5060202@billoneill.us> Interesting reading this morning of Howie Carr's Herald column. Carr piles on by putting out there 'enough' about some prior back (verbal) acts of Imus' that got personal and resulted in Carr's wife then affording a Florida condo. File under: "Everyone wants to get into the act." Or, Bullwinkle, "How many more (affiliates shall I lose), Mr. Speaker, how many more." Carr should talk. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 12 17:55:00 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:55:00 -0500 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>But, somehow it IS acceptable for black artists to record and radio/TV stations to play Rap/Hip-Hop music and videos visually and verbally extolling the virtues/shortcomings of "hos" ? Laura Ingraham was talking about this the other day with Jason Whitlock, sports columnist for the Kansas City Star: http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html "While we?re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I?m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent?s or Snoop Dogg?s or Young Jeezy?s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos." From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 12 18:23:27 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:23:27 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> Don't you get that some things that a member of a minority group can say with impunity about other members of that group create a firestorm when someone who is not a member of that group says them? Is that so hard to grasp? That may not be the way it SHOULD be. The situation may not be right and it may even be responsible for some serious social problems, but that's how it IS! You don't appear to be a member of an ethnic minority, so maybe you can't get your arms around it. Time for you to try, though. And you and other righties should stop using it to excuse Imus's outrageous remarks. And, as I pointed out in an earlier post, those remarks were not made thoughtlessly. They were calculated--but there was a mistake in the calculations. You can take that to the bank! -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC > >>But, somehow it IS acceptable for black artists to record and > radio/TV stations to play Rap/Hip-Hop music and videos visually and > verbally extolling the virtues/shortcomings of "hos" ? > > Laura Ingraham was talking about this the other day with Jason > Whitlock, sports columnist for the Kansas City Star: > > http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html > > "While we're fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I'm sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent's or Snoop Dogg's or Young Jeezy's latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos." > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 12 18:34:04 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <20070412223405.54AF783BF4@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> By the way, the columnist I linked to is an African-American, in case anybody is wondering if he's too critical of black culture in this land... he isn't an outsider. I'm not defending Imus at all... By the way the radiothon will go on tomorrow, with Imus' wife Deidre. On WTKK's site, Peter Smythe and Phil Redo say they respect the CBS decision. "Don Imus has been a part of WTKK since our launch in 1999 and has many fans. We want to acknowledge his many positive contributions to radio and charitable causes. We have not made any decision about a replacement for Imus and will be reviewing all our options in the coming weeks." From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 12 19:12:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:12:22 -0500 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <20070412231225.046E983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>And you and other righties should stop using it to excuse Imus's outrageous remarks. I'm not pointing it out to justify his remarks, I'm just saying that since what he said was so bad, then maybe others who say the same thing should be criticized as well (rap lyrics, etc.) What if what Imus said was said by the Rev. Al Sharpton on Radio One's black talk network? Would there be a similar furor? By the way, to be fair, I heard Rush say something today like "liberals try to shut down free speech by pressure campaigns" (but conservatives don't). What he should have added was many conservatives do the same. There have been "postcard campaigns" by conservative religious leaders to pressure Fox to take off "Married...With Children" (bulk postcards sent out as a protest), for example. "I am extremely offended by (name of program) and I think it's obscene. I promise to boycott the sponsors", etc. Rush didn't mention that... Similar pressure campaigns are waged by pro- and anti-abortion rights groups, gun owner groups, religious organizations, and so on, sent to Senators, Representatives, the President, etc. These also can include positive messages ("Dear Mr. President--I want to thank you for your stand on such-and-such"...all printed out by organizations who ask their members to mail them out. From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 19:30:51 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:30:51 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > ...some things that a member of a minority group can say > with impunity about other members of that group create a firestorm when > someone who is not a member of that group says them... Nope. That bus has has left the depot. All people should share equally in the responsibilities that are ours in a progressive and civilized culture. Lead by example. No further passes. > You don't appear to be a member of an ethnic minority, so maybe > you can't get your arms around it. Why didn't I think of that. Handy. Old car smell, but handy. > Time for you to try, though. And you and > other righties should stop using it to excuse Imus's outrageous remarks. > Sezwuh? Heh? Hand-dominance? Is nothing sacred! Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Apr 12 20:29:36 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:29:36 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com> <461D7F96.2050202@ttlc.net><461D80D2.31181.7B46C6@joe.attorneyross.com><461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com><1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com><461E826B.7000505@ttlc.net> <20070412200922.7EB0ADBA0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: It is the racial angle that comes with the "nappy haired" remarked that pushed this over the top. If he had just called the team a bunch of ho's, this controversy would not have been as big. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kirk" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC >Umm, Stevie never said he was a nappy headed ho'... he said he recalled his >childhood as a nappy headed BOY. The issue was not about the hair-- a >wonderful children's book by Carolivia Herron discusses a little black >child who is made fun of because her hair is so different from everyone >else's in the class. The issue is about calling young women athletes >whores, even in a joke. > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Apr 12 20:37:12 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:37:12 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us> References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <17950.53432.837841.68325@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Dan Strassberg wrote: >> ...some things that a member of a minority group can say >> with impunity about other members of that group create a firestorm when >> someone who is not a member of that group says them... > Nope. That bus has has left the depot. All people should share equally > in the responsibilities that are ours in a progressive and civilized > culture. Lead by example. No further passes. Bill, If you were intending to respond to Dan's statement, could you please rephrase your response in a way that actually responds to it? I'm having trouble making a connection between what Dan said (and you quoted) and what you said. I would say that there are some words and phrases which can legitimately be used within a subculture without giving rise to offense, but which would cause offense when used by someone outside that subculture. There is nothing wrong with this; it's simply a difference in (culturally-assigned) meaning and in some cases intent. I note that many prior flaps over broadcaster "insensitivity" are precisely of this sort. It is particularly the case with group epithets: often, a word which is used by a particular group to describe themselves has a pejorative (if not downright offensive) connotation in society at large. An audience may legitimately assume that, if a broadcaster applies such a word to someone and not to himself, then he *intends* to give offense by it. (My canonical example is "queer", although the pejorative connotation seems to be fading somewhat.) This case is quite a bit different. Although I'm not the world's foremost expert on AAVE (hell, I barely even know the first thing about it), the reporting seems to suggest that there is no non-pejorative sense to what the I-man said -- and that, to me, entirely legitimates the offense taken. He knew, or should have known, that what he said was offensive (most of all to the women he was insulting), and should have kept his trap shut. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 21:02:49 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:02:49 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <17950.53432.837841.68325@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us> <17950.53432.837841.68325@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <461ED6B9.20806@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Bill, > > If you were intending to respond to Dan's statement, could you please > rephrase your response in a way that actually responds to it? I'm > having trouble making a connection between what Dan said (and you > quoted) and what you said. > >>Dan Strassberg wrote: ...some things that a member of a minority group can say with impunity about other members of that group create a firestorm when someone who is not a member of that group says them...<< Take two. While I agree that this has been the case for generations, I believe that the time has come for all ethnic constituencies to take a concerted leap forward and to lead by example. No further passes or excuses based upon ethnic membership. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 12 21:44:10 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:44:10 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us><17950.53432.837841.68325@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <461ED6B9.20806@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002901c77d6d$c2f6a600$19eefea9@satpro4600> Bill: When you decide to rejoin the Human Race, please send us a message. In the meantime, live in your fantasy world, if that's what makes you happy. You clearly have been "liberated" from reality. If you ever come up with a solution to the problem based on the behavior of real people in the real world, it might be interesting to hear it. But it is pure folly to say that people simply must behave differently from here on out without even hinting at how you would try to induce them to do so. Moreover, trying to get people to change their behavior is a far cry from actually getting them to behave differently. I find it almost impossible to believe that you could seriously propose what you have suggested. I never thought of you as particiularly naive, but if you are serious, you are incredibly--and rather pathetically--naive. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Bill, > > > > If you were intending to respond to Dan's statement, could you please > > rephrase your response in a way that actually responds to it? I'm > > having trouble making a connection between what Dan said (and you > > quoted) and what you said. > > > > > >>Dan Strassberg wrote: > > ...some things that a member of a minority group can say > with impunity about other members of that group create a firestorm when > someone who is not a member of that group says them...<< > > Take two. > > While I agree that this has been the case for generations, I believe that the time has come for all ethnic constituencies to take a concerted leap forward and to lead by example. No further passes or excuses based upon ethnic membership. > > Bill O'Neill > > From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 21:56:33 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:56:33 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <002901c77d6d$c2f6a600$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <20070412215500.6E67183BF0@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001201c77d51$35209820$19eefea9@satpro4600> <461EC12B.5070403@billoneill.us><17950.53432.837841.68325@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <461ED6B9.20806@billoneill.us> <002901c77d6d$c2f6a600$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <461EE351.1030209@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Bill: When you decide to rejoin the Human Race, please send us a message. Now Dan, that is mean spirited and downright hurtful. And it's never a good sign when we start to refer to ourselves in the plural. > In > the meantime, live in your fantasy world, if that's what makes you happy. > Oh, that? Vermont. > I find it almost impossible to believe that you could seriously > propose what you have suggested. I never thought of you as particiularly > naive, but if you are serious, you are incredibly--and rather > pathetically--naive. Aw, shucks, you got me Dan. I was just goofing off? If you haven't figured me out in over TEN years on this list, then we hardly knew ye. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Thu Apr 12 22:10:06 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:10:06 -0400 Subject: WTKK options Message-ID: <461EE67E.50804@billoneill.us> What is the buzz on a new morning show on 96.9 in Boston? Anyone in the current line-up to flip to AM drive? Any WRKO flips? Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 12 22:46:23 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:46:23 -0600 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: >>I believe that the time has come for all ethnic constituencies to take a concerted leap forward and to lead by example. No further passes or excuses based upon ethnic membership.<< It's time for opportunistic hypocrites like Sharpton and Jackson (the "reverends" who don't know what forgiveness is) to be called out and shown for what they are. Any ethnic community which is in need of a house cleaning has to first take a look at who's inhabiting the house, and ask themselves if these inhabitants are helping or hurting them. In the case of those two bozos, it's the latter. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@bostonradio.org Thu Apr 12 22:58:23 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:58:23 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17950.61903.532229.473101@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's time for opportunistic hypocrites like Sharpton and Jackson [...] Let's please get back on the subject of broadcasting. -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Thu Apr 12 22:18:11 2007 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:18:11 -0400 Subject: WTNN update Message-ID: <461EE863.5050000@shoreham.net> Just a quick update on the newest Champlain Valley station "Eagle Country 97.5." It looks like they are going with a refreshing strategy in that they are not hyping "new." The "ten-thousand-in-a-row" is as good a cover for we-haven't-built-our-inventory-yet. They team-read news, swapping the rip-n-read alternating regional with world stories. At this point (hopefully temporarily) they are having a jock read the weather as a "forecaster." San Diego, maybe (79 and sunny for 9 months), but in Vermont - a bit risky. So far, not a bad start. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 13 01:12:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:12:24 -0500 Subject: WTKK options Message-ID: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> For now Barnicle will fill in for what was the Imus show nationwide, for the next two weeks. News got out about Jimmy Myers filling in for Barnicle's own show in turn, but now Greater Media says a decision on that hasn't been made. And the WTKK website says they are now going over their options as far as AM drive. If they decide to go local in morning drive, Michael Graham or Eagan & Braude could grab that slot and perhaps WTKK could pick up the Dennis Miller show (10 am-1 pm national feed from Westwood One). If E&B were to move to morning drive, it's possible O'Reilly could go back to 1-3 pm which would free up some time at night for perhaps a local host (Jimmy Myers?) or national (Mark Levin?) from 7-9 pm. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 13 01:12:27 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:12:27 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com>, <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com>, <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461ED8FB.5534.6EA234@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Apr 2007 at 14:35, Bob Nelson wrote: > If "nappy headed" is a swear, we'd have to ban the song "I Wish" by > Stevie Wonder from airplay... Word has it the I-Man is could be out in > Bangor, ME, too Apparently the word "nappy" has a meaning other than the one I knew, which is what the British call a diaper. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 13 01:12:27 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:12:27 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com>, <461E93A6.4080607@billoneill.us>, <20070412203536.12D4544DCD9@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <461ED8FB.13802.6EA1F5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Apr 2007 at 16:35, Donna Halper wrote: > I don't wanna get into a debate about Sharpton, who is not a > particular favourite of mine. But I do believe it is inappopropriate > for anyone, rightie or leftie, to call people they don't know "nappy > headed whores." I wish I could look on this as an actual blow struck for more civility in radio. But after the Opie and Anthony thing about Mayor Menino some years ago, I strongly suspect that Imus will be back after this thing quiets down and go on as before. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 06:24:19 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461ED8FB.5534.6EA234@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <721764.21437.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Imus' wife, Deidre, is co-hosting the radio auction this morning, along with Charles McCord. I'm listening to the online stream, and it doesn't sound like it's going out nationally. Imus remains at the top of the WFAN Web site. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 13 11:27:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:27:38 -0500 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I think one of the messageboards said that Mike and the Mad Dog would be on in NYC instead... another post said that Imus' name, etc., was now gone (it was still on there into the wee hours of last night) From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Apr 13 13:38:27 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:38:27 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Diedre & Charles were on WFAN, WTKK and any affiliate station that hadn't yet dropped the show. The way I understand it, Mike & The Mad Dog will cover mornings on WFAN starting Monday and will continue to do so until management decides on a permanent replacement. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Francesa & Russo's show stay in morning drive. The original plan was to have Mike Barnicle host the show while Imus was on suspension. Now that the I-Man has been let go things could be changing. I'm assuming Barnicle will be on mornings at WTKK at least, and maybe Westwood One will syndicate it to remaining affiliates for that two week period to give stations time to find other programming for that timeslot. Just a guess. During the radiothon this morning, Diedre & Charles were saying that the totals were approaching three million dollars and by the end of the weekend, they could take in a record 3.5 million in donations. And that's with no MSNBC this year. It doesn't seem to me like his listeners--or sponsors--are abandoning the I-Man, at least in New York. Maybe CBS was a bit too hasty in canceling his show altogether. People who aren't familiar with New York radio (which are most media pundits and blowhards like Sharpton & Jackson) fail to realize how much of an institution Don Imus is in that market. I can understand pulling the plug on national syndication, but taking him off 660 could wind up being a big long term mistake for WFAN. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 13, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I think one of the messageboards said that Mike and the Mad Dog would > be on in NYC instead... > another post said that Imus' name, etc., was now gone (it was still on > there into the wee > hours of last night) > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 13 13:56:46 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:56:46 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC References: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77df5$1e8f0f20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Assuming no offer is forthcoming from Karmazin and Sirius (which I think is a bad assumption), CBS is likely to reinstate the show at least on WFAN if they can get assurances from advertisers that they won't pull the plug on their buys again. Those assurances will depend on Imus first assuming a low profile for at least three months. Then, Moonves (or whomever) will have to wet his index finger and let the wind blow past it to get a sense of how robust the billings would be on the New Contrite-Imus Show. The I-Man WILL resurface. The only issues are when and where. The industry is not about to let all of this incredible publicity go to waste! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC > Diedre & Charles were on WFAN, WTKK and any affiliate station that > hadn't yet dropped the show. The way I understand it, Mike & The Mad > Dog will cover mornings on WFAN starting Monday and will continue to do > so until management decides on a permanent replacement. I wouldn't be > too surprised to see Francesa & Russo's show stay in morning drive. > > The original plan was to have Mike Barnicle host the show while Imus > was on suspension. Now that the I-Man has been let go things could be > changing. I'm assuming Barnicle will be on mornings at WTKK at least, > and maybe Westwood One will syndicate it to remaining affiliates for > that two week period to give stations time to find other programming > for that timeslot. Just a guess. > > During the radiothon this morning, Diedre & Charles were saying that > the totals were approaching three million dollars and by the end of the > weekend, they could take in a record 3.5 million in donations. And > that's with no MSNBC this year. It doesn't seem to me like his > listeners--or sponsors--are abandoning the I-Man, at least in New York. > Maybe CBS was a bit too hasty in canceling his show altogether. > People who aren't familiar with New York radio (which are most media > pundits and blowhards like Sharpton & Jackson) fail to realize how much > of an institution Don Imus is in that market. I can understand pulling > the plug on national syndication, but taking him off 660 could wind up > being a big long term mistake for WFAN. > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > On Apr 13, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > I think one of the messageboards said that Mike and the Mad Dog would > > be on in NYC instead... > > another post said that Imus' name, etc., was now gone (it was still on > > there into the wee > > hours of last night) > > > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Apr 13 14:01:07 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:01:07 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <012d01c77df3$f7b333f0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <012d01c77df3$f7b333f0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: Big difference. Imus was only on WEEI for what, six or seven years? I think he was on WTKK longer than he was on WEEI. Imus has been doing mornings on 660 (first WNBC, then later WFAN since the 1971 (with the exception of a year or two in the late 70's) He has a very loyal, established, upscale audience which was responsible for generating an estimated 22 million dollars per year for WFAN. That's just morning drive. That will be difficult to replace. On Apr 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Don A wrote: > >> I can understand pulling the plug on national syndication, but taking >> him off 660 could wind up being a big long term mistake for WFAN. > > Well, I heard the same thing when WEEI removed Imus in the morning. > > WEEI's morning Drive show went on to bigger and better things, didn't > they? > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 14:07:57 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <000d01c77df5$1e8f0f20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <13086.70020.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Assuming no offer is forthcoming from Karmazin and Sirius (which I > think is > a bad assumption), CBS is likely to reinstate the show at least on > WFAN if > they can get assurances from advertisers that they won't pull the > plug on > their buys again. I've been thinking this all day. Notice that Imus hasn't come out with any statements. He's probably been told, "lay low for the moment, and we'll bring you back at some point." If you remember, CBS didn't "fire" Opie and Anthony, it just yanked them off the air. They still were under contract for a year or two, and CBS didn't let them go elsewhere. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Apr 13 14:11:51 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:11:51 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: References: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <461FC7E7.5060300@ttlc.net> David Tomm wrote: > It doesn't seem to me like his listeners--or sponsors--are abandoning > the I-Man, at least in New York. Maybe CBS was a bit too hasty in > canceling his show altogether. People who aren't familiar with New > York radio (which are most media pundits and blowhards like Sharpton & > Jackson) fail to realize how much of an institution Don Imus is in > that market. I can understand pulling the plug on national > syndication, but taking him off 660 could wind up being a big long > term mistake for WFAN. I, too, believe that cancellation of his show was a tad premature. Sponsor pressure notwithstanding, it might have made a bit more sense to wait until his meeting with the Rutgers team was a fait accompli (a little French lingo for Monsieur Glavin). I find it interesting that nothing substantive has yet (to my knowledge) come out of that meeting. If anything, this whole episode may give Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson a false sense of grandiose power and Lord help the next entity that gets caught in their cross-hairs. FWIW: I think Imus was wrong in what he said and how he said it. But, without his show (on radio in some form) he will never be able to truly reform or redeem himself. Even transplanted to XM/Sirius, he will be remembered as an Idol going down in disgrace on Terrestrial Radio. Of course, it's possible that he is not reformable or redeemable - only he really knows that in his heart. My $0.02 worth. Thanks for reading. From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Apr 13 14:42:09 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:42:09 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC Message-ID: <21b8e97372c37ab6a36977a2d866704b@charter.net> Oh, that makes sense. Replace Imus with a type of show that did the EXACT SAME THING! Since Dennis and Callahan's show is local and so was the reference, they were able to ride out the storm. If you remember, plenty of clients pulled their spots off of WEEI after that incident. Entercom suspended D&C, waited for the heat to blow over, and put them back on. Eventually all the sponsors returned. My guess is that if Imus waits it out and makes some public acts of contrition, I could see WFAN or another New York station bringing him back. He won't have the national presence he once had, but it seems to me that New York listeners understand this is just "Imus being Imus" and will welcome him back, just like Boston listeners forgave D&C. The WFAN radiothon's performance over the last couple of days demonstrates there is still a sizable audience in New York for the I-man, and sponsors will figure this out once the hoopla has died down. On Apr 13, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Don A wrote: >> Imus has been doing mornings on 660 since the 1971 He has a very >> loyal, established, upscale audience which was responsible for >> generating an estimated 22 million dollars per year for WFAN. That's >> just morning drive. That will be difficult to replace. > > Difficult, but not impossible. > > His ratings in NYC have not been that great. > > They just have to replace him with something 'bigger'. > > This may be a good opportunity for them to rethink, refocus and > relaunch a morning show. > > All they need is a "metco gorilla" to get enough press. From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Apr 13 15:10:10 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:10:10 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <21b8e97372c37ab6a36977a2d866704b@charter.net> References: <21b8e97372c37ab6a36977a2d866704b@charter.net> Message-ID: <000c01c77dff$5bbb4300$1331c900$@net> I was thinking this too: Let Imus float away for a bit, revamp the show so that the star can come back, format it into more of an interview show and eliminate all the controversial stuff as well as the sidekicks. Best, Tony Schinella From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Apr 13 14:35:47 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <014e01c77df7$cce2d3c0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <20070413152740.EE47D83BFA@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><012d01c77df3$f7b333f0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> <014e01c77df7$cce2d3c0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: Oh, that makes sense. Replace Imus with a type of show that did the EXACT SAME THING! Since Dennis and Callahan's show is local and so was the reference, they were able to ride out the storm. If you remember, plenty of clients pulled their spots off of WEEI after that incident. Entercom suspended D&C, waited for the heat to blow over, and put them back on. Eventually all the sponsors returned. My guess is that if Imus waits it out and makes some public acts of contrition, I could see WFAN or another New York station bringing him back. He won't have the national presence he once had, but it seems to me that New York listeners understand this is just "Imus being Imus" and will welcome him back, just like Boston listeners forgave D&C. The WFAN radiothon's performance over the last couple of days demonstrates there is still a sizable audience in New York for the I-man, and sponsors will figure this out once the hoopla has died down. On Apr 13, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Don A wrote: >> Imus has been doing mornings on 660 since the 1971 He has a very >> loyal, established, upscale audience which was responsible for >> generating an estimated 22 million dollars per year for WFAN. That's >> just morning drive. That will be difficult to replace. > > Difficult, but not impossible. > > His ratings in NYC have not been that great. > > They just have to replace him with something 'bigger'. > > This may be a good opportunity for them to rethink, refocus and > relaunch a morning show. > > All they need is a "metco gorilla" to get enough press. > > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Apr 14 02:04:48 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:04:48 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <462064AB.4010308@gabrielmass.com> References: <21b8e97372c37ab6a36977a2d866704b@charter.net> <000c01c77dff$5bbb4300$1331c900$@net> <462064AB.4010308@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <46206F00.8060903@gabrielmass.com> radiotony wrote: > I was thinking this too: Let Imus float away for a bit, revamp the > show so > that the star can come back, format it into more of an interview show and > eliminate all the controversial stuff as well as the sidekicks. May as well say "eliminate the comedy". --RC From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Apr 14 08:29:47 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:29:47 -0400 Subject: WTKK options In-Reply-To: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <006e01c77e90$97460f90$9600000a@BrianVaio> They could always go back to smooth jazz... Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:12 AM > To: Bill O'Neill; BRI > Subject: Re: WTKK options > > For now Barnicle will fill in for what was the Imus show > nationwide, for the next two weeks. News got out about Jimmy > Myers filling in for Barnicle's own show in turn, but now > Greater Media says a decision on that hasn't been made. And > the WTKK website says they are now going over their options > as far as AM drive. > > If they decide to go local in morning drive, Michael Graham > or Eagan & Braude could grab that slot and perhaps WTKK could > pick up the Dennis Miller show (10 am-1 pm national feed from > Westwood One). > If E&B were to move to morning drive, it's possible O'Reilly > could go back to 1-3 pm which would free up some time at > night for perhaps a local host (Jimmy Myers?) or national > (Mark Levin?) from 7-9 pm. > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Apr 14 08:30:22 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:30:22 -0400 Subject: Imus canned by MSNBC In-Reply-To: <461ED8FB.5534.6EA234@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <200704112358.l3BNvrLp029952@mac.com>, <461E5AF4.E87D94F7@rcn.com>, <1fbbbced0704121135w3f0eb8e0i8fbb6d6afcb2dcc3@mail.gmail.com> <461ED8FB.5534.6EA234@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <006f01c77e90$ac3cbac0$9600000a@BrianVaio> If taken in that context, it would be even more insulting! Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:12 AM > To: Rick; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org; Bob Nelson > Subject: Re: Imus canned by MSNBC > > On 12 Apr 2007 at 14:35, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > If "nappy headed" is a swear, we'd have to ban the song "I Wish" by > > Stevie Wonder from airplay... Word has it the I-Man is > could be out in > > Bangor, ME, too > > Apparently the word "nappy" has a meaning other than the one > I knew, which is what the British call a diaper. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sat Apr 14 10:15:56 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:15:56 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. Message-ID: <26586864.2365B47E.0CE337EB@aol.com> Re: This WHOLE Imus/Shock Radio thing. JUST LOOK what Joey Reynolds started, way back in the EARLY SIXTIES! (I think HOWARD was still in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!) . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Apr 14 11:14:54 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:14:54 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <26586864.2365B47E.0CE337EB@aol.com> References: <26586864.2365B47E.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <4620EFEE.6080204@ttlc.net> SonnyDaye1@aol.com wrote: > JUST LOOK what Joey Reynolds started, way back in the EARLY SIXTIES! > (I think HOWARD was still in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!) Perhaps my memories have mellowed, but IIRC until Reynolds started ragging on a local politician (for which he was eventually fired by KBW management who supported said politician) I though he was entertaining, but not shocking or vulgar - just a very clever entertainer tuned in to what made teens tick. It was almost as if it we were in on a joke that only we understood and our parents were clueless. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 14 12:01:11 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: Herald: Barnicle fill in is WTKK only Message-ID: <20070414160111.24E9083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Article in today's Herald says that only WTKK will have Mike Barnicle filling in for what had been Imus. For other stations, Westwood One offers WFAN's Mike and the Mad Dog "Westwood One, which syndicated the Imus show, has axed plans to offer radio affiliates WTKK?s Mike Barnicle, who was set to fill in for Imus during his initial two-week suspension. The Herald reported earlier this week that Barnicle was forced to apologize in 2004 for referring to an interracial couple as ?mandingo? on his show. Westwood said in a memo obtained by the Herald that it will instead offer the New York sports radio show ?Mike and the Mad Dog? next week. Barnicle will, however, fill in on WTKK." http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=194727 Maybe this is a tryout for Mike And Mad Dog to go national? Someone would eventually get the slot of W1's morning show... From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Apr 14 12:18:30 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:18:30 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <4620EFEE.6080204@ttlc.net> References: <26586864.2365B47E.0CE337EB@aol.com> <4620EFEE.6080204@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20070414161850.CD27C44C05A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:14 AM 4/14/2007, Roger Kirk wrote: >SonnyDaye1@aol.com wrote: > >>JUST LOOK what Joey Reynolds started, way back in the EARLY SIXTIES! >>(I think HOWARD was still in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!) Oh it goes back long before that-- the whole shock radio thing, as has been mentioned before, probably goes back to the days of the late Joe Pyne. It's a mis-statement when people say the Fairness Doctrine prohibited shock radio-- alas, there was some long before the 1980s. Bill Ballance out in LA did a controversial sex-talk show (and I believe the soon-to-be Doctor Laura Schlesinger was his girlfriend at that time) in 1972, and Pyne was on the air in the late 60s, if I recall correctly. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 12:24:38 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Herald: Barnicle fill in is WTKK only In-Reply-To: <20070414160111.24E9083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <752212.43863.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Maybe this is a tryout for Mike And Mad Dog to go national? Someone > would eventually get the slot > of W1's morning show... Mike and Chris already have a few affiliates ... 590 (?) in Albany comes to mind. Their show is so New York-centric, though, that I see a hard time with them transitioning to a more national show. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Apr 14 12:24:19 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:24:19 -0400 Subject: WTKK options In-Reply-To: <006e01c77e90$97460f90$9600000a@BrianVaio> References: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <006e01c77e90$97460f90$9600000a@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <20070414162439.4B52344C013@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 08:29 AM 4/14/2007, Brian Vita wrote: >They could always go back to smooth jazz... Actually, if I recall the news coverage at the time they flipped the format, the change away from smooth jazz actually surprised a lot of people, since the format was evidently making money, even if the ratings were only average. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 12:27:20 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTKK options In-Reply-To: <20070414162439.4B52344C013@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <408561.8165.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Actually, if I recall the news coverage at the time ... I also recall the on-list debates with MovieMan. Very entertaining! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 14 12:50:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:50:38 -0500 Subject: Herald: Barnicle fill in is WTKK only Message-ID: <20070414165038.722D383BFD@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Mike and Chris already have a few affiliates ... 590 (?) in Albany comes to mind. Their show is so New York-centric, though, that I see a hard time with them transitioning to a more national show. Yes--that almost sounds like the trouble Howie Carr has had in getting his show to burst outside of New England. He had affiliates as far flung as Seattle, Wichita, Salt Lake City, and various places in Ohio, Maryland, and Florida, but talk about Menino and such was a bit too regional. Now Howie is confined to 9 stations or so in MA, ME, and NH only. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 14 12:52:39 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:52:39 -0500 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket Message-ID: <20070414165240.293ED83C00@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Moses parted the Red Sea, but Sandab Broadcasting can move an entire Ocean, and fire off a Rocket at the same time. I hear that on Tuesday, WOCN 103.9 moves to 104.7 while WKPE-FM, "The Rocket", takes the 103.9 freq (more centrally located on the Cape?) From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Apr 14 13:00:32 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:00:32 -0400 Subject: WTKK options In-Reply-To: <20070414162439.4B52344C013@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <006e01c77e90$97460f90$9600000a@BrianVaio> <20070414162439.4B52344C013@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <525366c7e26933e6b6863a9427117e5c@charter.net> But from what I heard at the time, 96.9 was sharing the most cume with sister WMJX and there was a lot of demographic overlap between the two stations. Much of WSJZ's success was at the expense of WMJX. Greater Media didn't want to cannibalize their cash cow. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 14, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 08:29 AM 4/14/2007, Brian Vita wrote: >> They could always go back to smooth jazz... > > Actually, if I recall the news coverage at the time they flipped the > format, the change away from smooth jazz actually surprised a lot of > people, since the format was evidently making money, even if the > ratings were only average. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Apr 14 15:29:04 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:29:04 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket In-Reply-To: <20070414165240.293ED83C00@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <013901c77ecb$2ac9d640$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Moses parted the Red Sea, but Sandab Broadcasting can move an entire > Ocean, and fire off a Rocket at the > same time. I hear that on Tuesday, WOCN 103.9 moves to 104.7 while WKPE- > FM, "The Rocket", takes > the 103.9 freq (more centrally located on the Cape?) The 104.7 signal is far superior, since it is a class B (50kW) signal. 103.9 may be more centrally located, but covers far less area than 104.7 does, since it's just a Class A (6kW). I guess they want to move the Ocean AC format to a bigger signal, and at the same time adjust WKPE's music (going by the announcement of the flip I've heard on there). Sounds like it will no longer be "The Rocket" but just 103.9 WKPE. http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/wkpe.mp3 Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Apr 14 16:25:55 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:25:55 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket In-Reply-To: <013901c77ecb$2ac9d640$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <20070414165240.293ED83C00@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <013901c77ecb$2ac9d640$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <200704142028.l3EKSaAv009431@mac.com> At 03:29 PM 4/14/2007, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >I guess they want to move the Ocean AC format to a bigger signal, and at the >same time adjust WKPE's music (going by the announcement of the flip I've >heard on there). Sounds like it will no longer be "The Rocket" but just >103.9 WKPE. http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/wkpe.mp3 > I thought that Ocean 103.9 had inherited the Jazz/Nostalgia format from WQRC. Has that format moved to another station on the cape, or has it gone away completely? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Apr 14 16:39:33 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:39:33 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket In-Reply-To: <200704142028.l3EKSaAv009431@mac.com> Message-ID: <013a01c77ed5$030595e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > I thought that Ocean 103.9 had inherited the Jazz/Nostalgia format > from WQRC. Has that format moved to another station on the cape, or > has it gone away completely? It's gone, Cape Cod is now without Standards and Oldies. WOCN "Ocean 104" evolved into a Soft AC format as 99.9 WQRC moved closer to Hot AC. Here's the recently played songs on WOCN: http://www.ocean104.com/wocn_justplayed.htm WQRC: http://www.wqrc.com/wqrc_justplayed.htm Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Apr 14 16:39:45 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:39:45 -0400 Subject: WERS in HD Message-ID: <200704142039.l3EKdl5f014222@mac.com> This morning I found that WERS was broadcasting in HD. They also had HD-2, but it was the same audio as the analog and HD-1. Anyone have any idea what's going on, is this just a test, do they have future plans for their HD-2? Thanks for your help. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From loug@gawab.com Sat Apr 14 15:29:22 2007 From: loug@gawab.com (Lou G) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:29:22 -0400 Subject: WTKK options References: <20070413051224.68F8983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com><006e01c77e90$97460f90$9600000a@BrianVaio><20070414162439.4B52344C013@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <525366c7e26933e6b6863a9427117e5c@charter.net> Message-ID: <011e01c77ecb$36fd4fa0$6601a8c0@DESKTOP2> > But from what I heard at the time, 96.9 was sharing the most cume with > sister WMJX and there was a lot of demographic overlap between the two > stations. While the two formats do overlap....that's just part of it. In this day and age everybody shares audience with everybody. WSJZ's "sucess" (if you want to call it that) was marginal at best. They did post a profit...but it was very meager. (Average yearly profit for the station was around $175,000.00) So, it wasn't a money loser, but when you have 35 million invested in a property, you are hoping for more than a .5% return on your investment. My understanding is that WTKK has already had a year that posted a $1 million profit. Add to the mix the limited outlook for future growth of WSJZ...and the decision is made for you. If WSJZ had been billing a reasonable amount, there is no way Gr. Media would've changed the format....they tend to be very conservative with change. All conspiracy theories aside, billing is what drives these decisions. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Apr 14 17:27:24 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:27:24 -0400 Subject: WERS in HD In-Reply-To: <200704142039.l3EKdl5f014222@mac.com> References: <200704142039.l3EKdl5f014222@mac.com> Message-ID: <17953.18236.415043.122338@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This morning I found that WERS was broadcasting in HD. They also had > HD-2, but it was the same audio as the analog and HD-1. Anyone have > any idea what's going on, is this just a test, do they have future > plans for their HD-2? Amazing that you should mention that, since I just last night sent an email to Rick Levy asking what WERS's HD plans (if any) were. -GAWollman From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 17:46:20 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WERS in HD In-Reply-To: <17953.18236.415043.122338@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <663249.14458.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Personally, they should put WECB, the carrier current side of Emerson College radio on WERS' HD-2. From what I have gathered, it's a more mainstream yet very professional student run station. What the heck..... --- Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > This morning I found that WERS was broadcasting in > HD. They also had > > HD-2, but it was the same audio as the analog and > HD-1. Anyone have > > any idea what's going on, is this just a test, do > they have future > > plans for their HD-2? > > Amazing that you should mention that, since I just > last night sent an > email to Rick Levy asking what WERS's HD plans (if > any) were. > > -GAWollman > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Apr 14 18:01:51 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:01:51 -0400 Subject: WERS in HD In-Reply-To: <17953.18236.415043.122338@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <013e01c77ee0$824c96e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > > This morning I found that WERS was broadcasting in HD. They also had > > HD-2, but it was the same audio as the analog and HD-1. Anyone have > > any idea what's going on, is this just a test, do they have future > > plans for their HD-2? > > Amazing that you should mention that, since I just last night sent an > email to Rick Levy asking what WERS's HD plans (if any) were. They've actually had their HD signal on and off for probably 6 months now. Someone (their engineer I think) posted on another board that they were having some trouble with their transmitter, so that's why they haven't been on continuously. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Apr 14 22:56:31 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:56:31 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <20070414161850.CD27C44C05A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <26586864.2365B47E.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <4620EFEE.6080204@ttlc.net>, <20070414161850.CD27C44C05A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46215C1F.29577.48AD1A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Apr 2007 at 12:18, Donna Halper wrote: > Oh it goes back long before that-- the whole shock radio thing, as > has been mentioned before, probably goes back to the days of the late > Joe Pyne. It's a mis-statement when people say the Fairness Doctrine > prohibited shock radio-- alas, there was some long before the 1980s. > Bill Ballance out in LA did a controversial sex-talk show (and I > believe the soon-to-be Doctor Laura Schlesinger was his girlfriend at > that time) in 1972, and Pyne was on the air in the late 60s, if I > recall correctly. Was he the one who took those pictures of her that have been all over the Internet? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 15 12:22:41 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:22:41 -0400 Subject: Herald: Barnicle fill in is WTKK only References: <752212.43863.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c77f7a$4b173be0$ba9b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Smyth To: Bob Nelson ; BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Barnicle fill in is WTKK only > Bob Nelson wrote: > > Maybe this is a tryout for Mike And Mad Dog to go national? Someone > > would eventually get the slot > > of W1's morning show... > > Mike and Chris already have a few affiliates ... 590 (?) in Albany > comes to mind. Their show is so New York-centric, though, that I see a > hard time with them transitioning to a more national show. > Even if they get away from the NY-centric attitude (which they already do when talking about, say, big-time college football, which, outside of Rutgers in the only marginally big-time Big East, doesn't exist in the NY market), wouldn't they also have to start talking about politics and current events to fit on some of the political-talk stations that used to carry Imus? As I recall, Imus hardly ever talked about sports when he was on WNBC; sports discussion on the show got started only after WFAN took over 660. Howard From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 15 12:33:01 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket References: <013a01c77ed5$030595e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <004d01c77f7b$bc790060$ba9b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lehmann To: 'Larry Weil' ; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: RE: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket > > I thought that Ocean 103.9 had inherited the Jazz/Nostalgia format > > from WQRC. Has that format moved to another station on the cape, or > > has it gone away completely? > > It's gone, Cape Cod is now without Standards and Oldies. WOCN "Ocean 104" > evolved into a Soft AC format as 99.9 WQRC moved closer to Hot AC. > > Here's the recently played songs on WOCN: > http://www.ocean104.com/wocn_justplayed.htm > > WQRC: http://www.wqrc.com/wqrc_justplayed.htm > WQRC looks more like a Smooth Jazz than a Hot AC to me. I'm showing a last five songs of Lee Ritenour, "Forget Me Nots"; Michael Manson, "Outer Drive"; Kyle Eastwood, "Now"; Kenny Garrett, "Simply Said"; and Kenny G, "You're Beautiful" right now, although the artists pictured on the site are Kelly Clarkson, Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews Band, etc. Has WQRC flipped, or have I just stumbled upon a Sunday specialty show? Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Apr 15 13:10:45 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:10:45 -0500 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket Message-ID: <20070415171045.8823683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Either they or WMVY or both have had a Sunday morning smooth jazz show on in the past. In fact I just went to the WQRC site and found: --Sunday Jazz Brunch with Janet Birchfield Airs from 9am to 1pm on Sundays - exclusively on WQRC 99.9 FM ...an eclectic mix of traditional jazz and new jazz.... >>WQRC looks more like a Smooth Jazz than a Hot AC to me...Has WQRC flipped, or have I just stumbled upon a Sunday specialty show? Howard From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Apr 15 13:49:29 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:49:29 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket In-Reply-To: <004d01c77f7b$bc790060$ba9b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <016e01c77f86$6baccb20$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > WQRC looks more like a Smooth Jazz than a Hot AC to me. I'm showing a last > five songs of Lee Ritenour, "Forget Me Nots"; Michael Manson, "Outer > Drive"; Kyle Eastwood, "Now"; Kenny Garrett, "Simply Said"; and Kenny G, > "You're Beautiful" right now, although the artists pictured on the site > are > Kelly Clarkson, Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews Band, etc. Has WQRC flipped, or > have I just stumbled upon a Sunday specialty show? WQRC does have a smooth jazz show on Sundays. I wonder if this show will move to 104.7 once WOCN goes on there. WOCN does seem to play at least one smooth jazz song per hour (usually at the end of the hour). Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sun Apr 15 13:49:26 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:49:26 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. Message-ID: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> Donna, every person you named came considerably AFTER Joey started doing it in the EARLY 60's! = = = Original message = = = At 11:14 AM 4/14/2007, Roger Kirk wrote: >SonnyDaye1@aol.com wrote: > >>JUST LOOK what Joey Reynolds started, way back in the EARLY SIXTIES! >>(I think HOWARD was still in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!) Donna says: Oh it goes back long before that-- the whole shock radio thing, as has been mentioned before, probably goes back to the days of the late Joe Pyne. It's a mis-statement when people say the Fairness Doctrine prohibited shock radio-- alas, there was some long before the 1980s. Bill Ballance out in LA did a controversial sex-talk show (and I believe the soon-to-be Doctor Laura Schlesinger was his girlfriend at that time) in 1972, and Pyne was on the air in the late 60s, if I recall correctly. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sun Apr 15 13:49:30 2007 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:49:30 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. Message-ID: <0A37B41F.41E6F51D.0CE337EB@aol.com> Re: Joey Reynolds Roger said: <<<<<<>>>>>>> I think this type of radio BECAME MORE "shocking", "vulgar", etc. as each decade passed, as the jocks pushed the envelope more and more. But, in Joey's early days, HE was pushing the envelope - no one else was saying the kind of things he was sneaking into his "rap". After all, wasn't he fired by something like 30 stations? Sounds like a shock jock to me. (I THINK that gives him the credentials to be called a shock jock!). Never have been able to figure out why he isn't more well known (at least in the Boston area, he's not known). And, Roger, I think you hit it on the head with your description of Joey's talent: <<<>>> And NOW, although he's in a more mature setting (syndicated overnight talk show), his youthful mischievous personality (thankfully) still comes through. I can't think of anyone else on radio these last couple of decades who is anywhere near as clever and entertaining. -Sonny Daye ---------------Original message------------------ Sonny Daye said: > JUST LOOK what Joey Reynolds started, way back in the EARLY SIXTIES! > (I think HOWARD was still in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!) Roger said: Perhaps my memories have mellowed, but IIRC until Reynolds started ragging on a local politician (for which he was eventually fired by KBW management who supported said politician) I thought he was entertaining, but not shocking or vulgar - just a very clever entertainer tuned in to what made teens tick. It was almost as if it we were in on a joke that only we understood and our parents were clueless. . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 14:00:36 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:00:36 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:49 PM 4/15/2007, SonnyDaye1@aol.com wrote: >Donna, every person you named came considerably AFTER Joey started >doing it in the EARLY 60's! On top 40 and popular radio, yes. But I also mentioned in another e-mail that this was being done in the 1950s (I've got it as early as 1951) by conservative/right wing churches and groups like the John Birch Society, which had syndicated shows (one critic called them nothing more than "Hate Clubs of the Air"). These shock radio shows were not on in a lot of markets and they weren't syndicated in all cases, but they were every bit as outrageous and said some pretty nasty things, all without any penalty. They flew under the radar screen of the FCC more often than not. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 15 16:13:17 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:13:17 -0500 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Apr 2007 at 14:00, Donna Halper wrote: > On top 40 and popular radio, yes. But I also mentioned in another > e-mail that this was being done in the 1950s (I've got it as early as > 1951) by conservative/right wing churches and groups like the John > Birch Society, which had syndicated shows (one critic called them > nothing more than "Hate Clubs of the Air"). These shock radio shows > were not on in a lot of markets and they weren't syndicated in all > cases, but they were every bit as outrageous and said some pretty > nasty things, all without any penalty. They flew under the radar > screen of the FCC more often than not. I seem to remember something about a Father Coughlin on radio in the 1940s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Apr 15 16:26:42 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:26:42 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I don't know the dates for the beginning and end of Coughlin's program, which I understand was broadcast nationally on CBS. It may well have continued into the early 40s, but I think it would be more correct to call its era the 30s. Interestingly, from what I've picked up on the Web, the program originated in Detroit on a small local station, WEXL Royal Oak, and not at the big CBS Detroit affiliate of the day, WJR (currently owned by ABC but about to be sold--along with most of ABC's O&O stations--to, IIRC, Cumulus). Anyhow, I find it interesting and curious that WJR was owned by the notorious racist George Richards, who, in the '50s, lost the licenses for WJR (to which he had cynically applied the moniker "the Goodwill station"), WGAR Cleveland, and KMPC Los Angeles over some transgression of the FCC rules related to his racism, but Wm Paley, the president of CBS, the network that carried Coughlin's rabidly antisemitic diatribes, was, himself, Jewish. If I've perpetuated any falsehoods in this posting, please correct me. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. > On 15 Apr 2007 at 14:00, Donna Halper wrote: > > > On top 40 and popular radio, yes. But I also mentioned in another > > e-mail that this was being done in the 1950s (I've got it as early as > > 1951) by conservative/right wing churches and groups like the John > > Birch Society, which had syndicated shows (one critic called them > > nothing more than "Hate Clubs of the Air"). These shock radio shows > > were not on in a lot of markets and they weren't syndicated in all > > cases, but they were every bit as outrageous and said some pretty > > nasty things, all without any penalty. They flew under the radar > > screen of the FCC more often than not. > > I seem to remember something about a Father Coughlin on radio in the > 1940s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 17:02:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:02:24 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:26 PM 4/15/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >I don't know the dates for the beginning and end of Coughlin's program, >which I understand was broadcast nationally on CBS. It may well have >continued into the early 40s, but I think it would be more correct to >call its era the 30s. He started locally in 1929, but by the early 30s, he was national and very popular. The height of his fame was the mid 30s-- in fact, in Boston, he was run by the Shepard station, WNAC (and at times WAAB). Shepard was sufficiently uncomfortable about the rhetoric on the show that he placed talks by the late great Harry Levi (the Radio Rabbi) right after Coughlin's show. Coughlin got incredible ratings, which once again proves that hate sells-- in fact, thousands of PRO-NAZI supporters met in Boston and demonstrated in favour of Hitler, and yes I do have the newspaper accounts. We forget that alas, even in the USA, there were bigots, and demagogues knew how to harness all that negative energy. My grandfather (rest his soul) told me once that after Coughlin's Sunday rants, marauding groups of boys would go into the Jewish neighbourhoods and break the windows of shops they knew were owned by Jews. After years of assorted people complaining, the FCC finally acted-- in 1941 (!) they took the radio priest off the air. Dan also wrote-- >[snip] but Wm Paley, the president of CBS, the >network that carried Coughlin's rabidly antisemitic diatribes, was, himself, >Jewish. A fact he hid as much as possible. Very assimilated, but in fairness to him, even if he had been very religious, the popularity of the radio priest was a real quandary for Depression-era broadcasters. Yeah Father Coughlin was a bigot (he not only hated Jews but Protestants and immigrants-- and anyone who wasn't his version of ultra-populist and ultra-jingoist), but so many people listened and loved him that it would have really cost stations who took him off the air. A few brave stations did so, but most just let him rant and looked the other way, no matter how much harm it caused. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Apr 15 19:10:08 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:10:08 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> Donna Halper wrote: >After years of assorted people complaining, the FCC > finally acted-- in 1941 (!) they took the radio priest off the air. I wouldn't be too sure about that date. The materials I'm finding on the net about the Canadian-born priest vary in details; one version, citing Coughlin's magazine, says he was already off the air in 1939, after actions by the FCC and the NAB. The former required permits for frequent broadcasters (!), and the latter imposed broadcast code changes regarding controversial material. Later, the Post Office revoked his second-class mailing permit, which stopped his magazine distribution. Coughlin's anti-semitic conspiracy-mongering was clearly repugnant, but I can't look on his silencing as a bright moment in American history. --RC From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Sun Apr 15 14:44:23 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:44:23 -0400 Subject: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket References: <013a01c77ed5$030595e0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> <004d01c77f7b$bc790060$ba9b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <053901c77f8e$1693b150$633f434b@DG07P241> 'MVY plays real jazz on Sunday mornings. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "'Larry Weil'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Lehmann > To: 'Larry Weil' ; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:39 PM > Subject: RE: Sandab moves an Ocean and a Rocket > > > > > I thought that Ocean 103.9 had inherited the Jazz/Nostalgia format > > > from WQRC. Has that format moved to another station on the cape, or > > > has it gone away completely? > > > > It's gone, Cape Cod is now without Standards and Oldies. WOCN "Ocean 104" > > evolved into a Soft AC format as 99.9 WQRC moved closer to Hot AC. > > > > Here's the recently played songs on WOCN: > > http://www.ocean104.com/wocn_justplayed.htm > > > > WQRC: http://www.wqrc.com/wqrc_justplayed.htm > > > > WQRC looks more like a Smooth Jazz than a Hot AC to me. I'm showing a last > five songs of Lee Ritenour, "Forget Me Nots"; Michael Manson, "Outer > Drive"; Kyle Eastwood, "Now"; Kenny Garrett, "Simply Said"; and Kenny G, > "You're Beautiful" right now, although the artists pictured on the site are > Kelly Clarkson, Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews Band, etc. Has WQRC flipped, or > have I just stumbled upon a Sunday specialty show? > > Howard > > > From lglavin@mail.com Sun Apr 15 15:49:05 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:49:05 -0500 Subject: Globe Magazine Interview With Finneran Message-ID: <20070415194905.CA5DA16461B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Today's (04/15/07) Boston Sunday Globe Magazine contains a brief interview with WRKO-AM morning man Tom Finneran. He may have been contrite about his perjury conviction while in a court of law, but in this article he tries (*unsuccessfully) to weasel-word his way out of it. The URL is: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2007/04/15/loud_speaker/ *He defends himself by saying that the redistricting meetings he attended were 8 or fewer in number out of THOUSANDS of meetings; but NOTHING is more important to a politician than re-election and in a rapidly changing district, self-preservation is accomplished through Gerrymandering. These were therefore VITAL meetings, hard to forget. That's my opinion anyway (and characteristically I don't descrive it as humble). = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 20:40:18 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:40:18 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20070416004040.77F7E44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:10 PM 4/15/2007, Richard Chonak wrote: >Donna Halper wrote: > >>After years of assorted people complaining, the FCC finally acted-- >>in 1941 (!) they took the radio priest off the air. > >I wouldn't be too sure about that date. The materials I'm finding >on the net about the Canadian-born priest vary in details; one >version, citing Coughlin's magazine, says he was already off the air >in 1939, after actions by the FCC and the NAB. Individual stations began dropping him in the late 30s, but according to the NY Times, Washington Post and other clippings that I am looking at even as we speak, it wasn't till the US officially entered WW2 that he was barred from his broadcasts, partly as a result of the Catholic Church finally speaking up, partly due to endless complaints to the FCC. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 20:45:48 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:45:48 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing, PS In-Reply-To: <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20070416004610.8683E44C00D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:10 PM 4/15/2007, Richard Chonak wrote: "The materials I'm finding on the net about the Canadian-born priest vary in details; one version, citing Coughlin's magazine, says he was already off the air in 1939..." [snip] CBS did in fact succumb to endless protests and drop him circa 1936, but he simply turned around and assembled his own network of stations, which at its height, had as many as 36 affiliates. But as time passed and he became more and more stridently anti-Semitic and more and more vocal about his other hatreds (and there were many), affiliates began to drop off. He absolutely was still on the air in 1939, but nowhere nearly as many stations carried him. By late 1941/early 1942, even those few die-hards were gone and so was he. From wollman@bostonradio.org Sun Apr 15 21:11:06 2007 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:11:06 -0400 Subject: Father Coughlin In-Reply-To: <20070416004610.8683E44C00D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> <20070416004610.8683E44C00D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <17954.52522.941010.541930@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > He absolutely was still on the air in 1939, but nowhere nearly as > many stations carried him. By late 1941/early 1942, even those few > die-hards were gone and so was he. So what was the last station to carry him? How about in this area? -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 21:24:11 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:24:11 -0400 Subject: Father Coughlin In-Reply-To: <17954.52522.941010.541930@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com> <20070415180057.DBC6E6612F2@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622410D.9222.3C398A@joe.attorneyross.com> <000d01c77f9c$66a58de0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <20070415210245.8DFB844C017@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com> <20070416004610.8683E44C00D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <17954.52522.941010.541930@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20070416012454.13B9C89AB4@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Garrett asked-- > >So what was the last station to carry him? How about in this area? I don't know the last of the die-hards, but I could look through my files easily enough. Here in Boston, WAAB of the Colonial Network/Mutual was still carrying him in late 1939-- alas, Boston was a hotbed of anti-Semitism back then, and his show remained popular. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 16 00:52:54 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:54 -0500 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <20070416004040.77F7E44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com>, <20070416004040.77F7E44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4622BAD6.11194.193CFAB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Apr 2007 at 20:40, Donna Halper wrote: > Individual stations began dropping him in the late 30s, but according > to the NY Times, Washington Post and other clippings that I am looking > at even as we speak, it wasn't till the US officially entered WW2 that > he was barred from his broadcasts, partly as a result of the Catholic > Church finally speaking up, partly due to endless complaints to the > FCC. Was he a Catholic priest? I wonder what the financial arrangement was for his broadcasts, since I thought Catholic priests are required to take vows of poverty. For that matter, what was the financial arrangement for Bishop Fulton J. Sheen? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Apr 15 23:54:38 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:38 -0400 Subject: This whole Imus/Shock Radio thing. In-Reply-To: <4622BAD6.11194.193CFAB@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4C5DE745.5926E04B.0CE337EB@aol.com>, <4622B0D0.1090807@gabrielmass.com>, <20070416004040.77F7E44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4622BAD6.11194.193CFAB@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4622F37E.1010100@gabrielmass.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Was he a Catholic priest? I wonder what the financial arrangement > was for his broadcasts, since I thought Catholic priests are required > to take vows of poverty. > > For that matter, what was the financial arrangement for Bishop Fulton > J. Sheen? > Priests who belong to a religious order usually take a vow of poverty, but clergy associated with a diocese are free to own property. --RC From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Apr 16 10:42:19 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:42:19 -0400 Subject: American radio icon Don Imus disgraced, fired after threat to reveal 9/11 secrets - Pravda.Ru Message-ID: <001601c78035$6fa7abf0$1e01a8c0@BrianVaio> http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0 So this is what the foreign press is reporting. This is so off the wall that I'm not sure if its humourous or scary. Brian Vita From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Apr 16 14:15:21 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:15:21 -0400 Subject: American radio icon Don Imus disgraced, fired after threat to reveal 9/11 secrets - Pravda.Ru In-Reply-To: <001601c78035$6fa7abf0$1e01a8c0@BrianVaio> References: <001601c78035$6fa7abf0$1e01a8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: At 10:42 AM -0400 4/16/07, Brian Vita wrote: > > http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0 > > So this is what the foreign press is reporting. This is so off the > wall that I'm not sure if its humourous or scary. > THE foreign press? Can you really make that generalization from on off the wall column (note this is by a columnist, not a news article) in one publication. That said, this reads more like it's from the Russian version of The Onion. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Apr 16 22:01:36 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:01:36 -0400 Subject: Maine Public Radio this morning Message-ID: <0EA9398D7D994A48AB37EAEB42A5870F@DanBillingsPC> This morning between 6:30 and 7:00, Maine Public Radio was airing a raw satellite feeds of Morning Edition on its Portland station. There was dead air, and some tones leading into the Marletplace Morning Report. No local content or IDs of any kind. My guess is it had something to do with the storm. Maybe the feed between the various stations was somehow cut off, but they managed to get the satellitte feed on the air in Portland. After 7, local content was back as usual. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 17 04:26:26 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:26:26 -0500 Subject: Cape freq swap happened/new websites Message-ID: <20070417082627.7C32883C26@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> New sites for WOCN and WKPE-FM (see below). The freq swap happened last night. WKPE now images as "classic rock 103.9" http://www.ocean1047.com (ocean104.com still works) http://www.classicrock1039.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 17 14:40:01 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:40:01 -0500 Subject: my prediction for WTKK mornings Message-ID: <20070417184004.9923349B797@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> As much as I'd like Dennis Miller (or even Stephanie Miller) to wind up on WTKK, here is my prediction for what they will do what with the Imus void: Mike Barnicle will be the permanent morning host followed by Graham. Maybe they'll lighten the load slightly on Mike (currently 6-10a) by shaving an hour from him so it would be Mike Barnicle 6-9 am (opposite Finneran on WRKO) and Graham 9-noon (opposite Feinburg). Local vs. local. Personally I wouldn't mind if they put Graham on 6-9 followed by an hour of Barnicle and then Dennis Miller but I get the feeling they'll do Barnicle for 3 hours and then Graham for the same amount of time. We'll see if my prediction comes true...Unless maybe they bring in a new local or syndicated talker. However Phil Redo, as I understand it, is big on local content and what was holding them back from going local in am drive before was their contract with Imus (and he did fairly well on WTKK, I read). Now that's history (barring, perhaps, Imus signing with another syndicator...?) From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Tue Apr 17 07:32:57 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:32:57 -0400 Subject: Cape freq swap happened/new websites References: <20070417082627.7C32883C26@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000901c780e4$27ec87e0$633f434b@DG07P241> And WayneWhite has moved from 'QRC to 'OCN - 4-9 shift as 'QRC has a new guy on from 3-7 - Troy Smith. Steve Binder is gone from 'OCN afternoons - perhaps he is "Stevie B" - morning man on 'KPE? Web site changes are still in progress. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: Cape freq swap happened/new websites > New sites for WOCN and WKPE-FM (see below). The freq swap happened last night. > WKPE now images as "classic rock 103.9" > > http://www.ocean1047.com (ocean104.com still works) > > http://www.classicrock1039.com > > From readaaron@friedbagels.com Tue Apr 17 11:51:08 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (readaaron@friedbagels.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WERS in HD Message-ID: <16920.204.9.220.36.1176825068.squirrel@email.powweb.com> I've suggested to Rick that it'd be nice if WERS entered a reciprocal deal with WICN out in Worcester to relay WICN on WERS's HD2 and relay WERS on WICN's HD2. Currently WICN does not have an HD2, but it's all software so it's not all that difficult to install. Cost (for the software) is another issue that I can't speak for, though. Regardless, the two signals complement each other nicely, and a reciprocal broadcast deal is a very simple way of effectively reaching a lot more listeners. There's a lot to like for both WICN and WERS there. Of course, it's entirely possible that WERS has other plans that might make more sense than this one, and we just don't know about it. But given how much my wife & I have lamented the lack of a full time jazz station in Boston, I certainly would like to see this happen. -- ------------------------------------ Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com www.friedbagels.com Fried Bagels Broadcast Engineering & Consulting Boston, MA 02246 From lglavin@mail.com Tue Apr 17 16:03:35 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:03:35 -0500 Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air Message-ID: <20070417200340.3B2CB164921@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> This is odd: for most of the day today (04/17) and even right now, BOTH of the WLLH-AM transmitters are off-the-air. WAMG-AM 890 is broadcasting. The Lowell transmitter has been shaky for the past two years, but the Lawrence stick up to now had been on-the-air without interruption. = Pharmacy Tech Training Become certified as a pharmacy technician at these schools. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=7ceaebfd43557d996c3882ecc7d56ced From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 00:29:01 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air In-Reply-To: <20070417200340.3B2CB164921@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <972627.38013.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > This is odd: for most of the day today (04/17) and even right now, > BOTH of > the WLLH-AM transmitters are off-the-air. WAMG-AM 890 is > broadcasting. > The Lowell transmitter has been shaky for the past two years, but the > > Lawrence stick up to now had been on-the-air without interruption. Not so odd when you consider the flooding/drenching that has hit the valley here in recent days. Are either of these facilities near bodies of water? If not, maybe the rain seeped into some equipment? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 18 05:39:26 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:39:26 -0400 Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air References: <972627.38013.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c7819d$7546eee0$a6d38018@Mark> Sean Smyth wrote: > Not so odd when you consider the flooding/drenching that has hit the > valley here in recent days. > > Are either of these facilities near bodies of water? If not, maybe the > rain seeped into some equipment? The Lowell transmitter is along the Merrimack River near where Beaver Brook joins in, as of yesterday afternoon that site was still above water, IIRC it did not go under water in last year's major flooding. The Lawrence transmitter is still atop the Cregg Building at 46 Amesbury St downtown. Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 18 16:23:35 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:23:35 -0500 Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air Message-ID: <20070418202340.6E88A47937E@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: ssmyth@psualum.com, "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:39:26 -0400 >Sean Smyth wrote: > Not so odd when you consider the flooding/drenching that has hit the > valley here in recent days. > > Are either of these facilities near bodies of water? If not, maybe the > rain seeped into some equipment? >The Lowell transmitter is along the Merrimack River near where >Beaver Brook joins in, as of yesterday afternoon that site was >still above water, IIRC it did not go under water in last year's >major flooding. The Lawrence transmitter is still atop the Cregg >Building at 46 Amesbury St downtown. >Mark Watson As of this afternoon (Wednesday), WLLH's two transmitters are still off-the-air. Has anyone observed whether WAMG continues to use the station ID: WAMG 890, Dedham...WLLH, Lowell and Lawrence? = Mision La Serena - Golf Course Homes Deeded interest private residence resort in Los Cabos, Mexico. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e60e690f9e9578020796a6c9121f9a29 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 18 19:19:06 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:19:06 -0400 Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air References: <20070418202340.6E88A47937E@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001001c7820f$fa1eeec0$19eefea9@satpro4600> They dropped the "and" from "Lowell and Lawrence" some time ago (months, I think) apparently not realizing that WLLH's fully licensed synchornized-transmitter operation is unique and that the "and" is supposed to differentiate it from other stations that list multiple communinities without any conjunctions. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Mark Watson" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Watson" > >To: ssmyth@psualum.com, "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > >Subject: Re: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:39:26 -0400 > >Sean Smyth wrote: > > Not so odd when you consider the flooding/drenching that has hit the > > valley here in recent days. > > > > Are either of these facilities near bodies of water? If not, maybe the > > rain seeped into some equipment? > > >The Lowell transmitter is along the Merrimack River near where > >Beaver Brook joins in, as of yesterday afternoon that site was > >still above water, IIRC it did not go under water in last year's > >major flooding. The Lawrence transmitter is still atop the Cregg > >Building at 46 Amesbury St downtown. > >Mark Watson > > As of this afternoon (Wednesday), WLLH's two transmitters are still > off-the-air. Has anyone observed whether WAMG continues to use the > station ID: WAMG 890, Dedham...WLLH, Lowell and Lawrence? > > > > > = > Mision La Serena - Golf Course Homes > Deeded interest private residence resort in Los Cabos, Mexico. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=e60e690f9e9578020796a6c9 121f9a29 > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Apr 19 16:13:35 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:13:35 -0500 Subject: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air Message-ID: <20070419201337.B80621C0F67@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Mark Watson" , ssmyth@psualum.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Both WLLH-AM Transmitters Off The Air >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:19:06 -0400 >They dropped the "and" from "Lowell and Lawrence" some time ago (months, I >think) apparently not realizing that WLLH's fully licensed >synchornized-transmitter operation is unique and that the "and" is >supposed to differentiate it from other stations that list multiple >communinities without any conjunctions. Is that evidence of conjunctivitis? But I digress... As of this morning before sunrise (Thursday, the real Patriots Day) the Lowell transmitter was operational but the Lawrence stick was silent. (I can tell because quite a few 1400's were audible in the background.) Since I wanted to observe the heavy flow over the Lawrence dam, I ventured into Lawrence, and after observing the falls, traveled to Essex and Common Streets (Amesbury St is southbound) listening to WFEA-AM 1370 with no splatter from WLLH, meaning that at 4:00 pm Thursday, the Lawrence transmitter is still silent. = Vonage Phone Service Local phone plans that fit your budget. Plans start at $14.99/mo. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=56a9a83a8dfa6aef9648f8ac4620a413 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 20 03:08:04 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:08:04 -0500 Subject: Herald Inside Track hints that 96.9 covets D&C Message-ID: <20070420070805.1142683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Radio Equalizer blog pointed out this item in the Herald's Inside Track...the latest in the "someone trying to steal D&C away from WEEI" rumor mill. Or is it just a contract ploy? http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=195733&srvc=home "Our spies around the dial report Greater Media boss Peter Smyth is 'still bitter' about losing the Red Sox to ?EEI, and began to explore ways to woo the sports station?s top-rated morning men away from Entercom months ago. 'He either wanted to start up an FM sports station or go guy talk on WBOS or get rid of Imus altogether,' said Someone Who Knows. 'They hadn?t been happy with Imus or his ratings for some time. And (Mike) Barnicle isn?t the answer.'" Though I thought I read that Imus was ranked 11th in Boston...? (which may not sound like much but that's among all stations and some pretty tough competition. Now if they had been ranked 25th...) And as we all know, John and Gerry are very polite people who never say anything controversial and don't even get into politics at all, right? (/ sarcasm ) From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 21 04:13:01 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:13:01 -0500 Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... Message-ID: <20070421081301.B40CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Tonight on Red Sox radio they saluted the fact that WTIC's first game as a Red Sox affiliate was 50 years ago exactly (a loss to the Yanks in extras). Arthur Dean, hope I got the name right, was in the booth with Castiglione and O'Brien. They did acknowledge that the Yankees were hoping to switch WTIC over to their network but they decided to re-up with the Sox, "hey it's a tradition". And it was said "before, Hartford was the dividing line between Red Sox and Yankee fans. now it's maybe New Haven..." thanks to a station like WTIC I can hear the Sox while traveling in Ohio, western Penn., etc.! From Rogerkola@aol.com Sat Apr 21 11:30:27 2007 From: Rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:30:27 -0400 Subject: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... References: <20070421081301.B40CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001f01c78429$fd340980$0300a8c0@Charlie> Speaking of WTIC, I noticed WBZ has picked up the "tradititonal" WTIC Morse code "V" (dit dit dit dah) in recent news promotions. WTIC has used it "forever" Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:13 AM Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... > Tonight on Red Sox radio they saluted the fact that WTIC's first game as a > Red Sox affiliate was 50 years ago exactly (a loss to the Yanks in > extras). Arthur Dean, hope I got the name right, was in the booth with > Castiglione and O'Brien. They did acknowledge that the Yankees were hoping > to switch WTIC over to their network but they decided to re-up with the > Sox, "hey it's a tradition". > > And it was said "before, Hartford was the dividing line between Red Sox > and Yankee fans. now it's maybe New Haven..." > > thanks to a station like WTIC I can hear the Sox while traveling in Ohio, > western Penn., etc.! > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 21 20:40:42 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:40:42 -0400 Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... References: <20070421081301.B40CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001401c78476$dc087e60$6e864c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:13 AM Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... > Tonight on Red Sox radio they saluted the fact that WTIC's first game as a Red Sox affiliate was 50 years ago exactly (a loss to the Yanks in extras). Arthur Dean, hope I got the name right, was in the booth with Castiglione and O'Brien. That would be Arnold Dean, longtime WTIC sports talk host. Howard From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 21 21:21:44 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:21:44 -0500 Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... Message-ID: <20070422012144.D6AED1C10D5@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >>That would be Arnold Dean, longtime WTIC sports talk host. Thank you! And I think Joe and Dave (O'Brien) were saying he did pretty much the first all sports talk show...(?) The "V" for victory tone (as seen/heard on that Chronicle "Happy Birthday Radio" special) is a longstanding tradition; I thought maybe it was some kind of contest for WTIC where a certain game would have a "player of the game" and when he came up to bat people would call in to win a prize or something. That was just a guess, but later I found out about the "V" tone! = Sukarne Online Steaks - Click & Save Delicious Adobo Ribs, Ribeye, Filet Mignon, Porterhouse, Skirt Steak. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=2e37bd57511f7f45ee431e0ed649d722 From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 22 13:18:42 2007 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (dillane@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:18:42 -0400 Subject: WTIC: 50 years of wearing the same Sox... Message-ID: <003101c78502$473b35c0$3686b145@livingroom> >And it was said "before, Hartford was the dividing line between Red Sox and >Yankee fans. now it's maybe New Haven..." Unfortunately I don't think the dividing line is New Haven. More Yankee fans here, but it get better when you go about 15 miles north. BTW - Joe Castiglione is from Hamden. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Apr 25 15:35:50 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:35:50 -0400 Subject: XM & Sirius In One Radio Message-ID: <462FAD96.4080407@ttlc.net> It seems that Onkyo has announced plans to introduce a new line of tuners in May and June that can receive both XM Satellite Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio programming. Is this a hedge on their presumed merger? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 25 15:41:18 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:41:18 -0400 Subject: XM & Sirius In One Radio References: <462FAD96.4080407@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002501c78771$b521e4a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I bet that, at last, the two companies are encouraging consumer-electronics manufacturers to introduce radios that are compatible with both services. Previously, both companies were reported to be actively discouraging the development of such products. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: XM & Sirius In One Radio > It seems that Onkyo has announced plans to introduce a new line of > tuners in May and June that can receive > both XM Satellite Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio programming. > > Is this a hedge on their presumed merger? > > > From mailinglists2005@hotmail.com Wed Apr 25 15:45:02 2007 From: mailinglists2005@hotmail.com (Mike Malone) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:45:02 -0400 Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN Message-ID: WTAG morning host Hank Stoltz has defected from WTAG to WCRN. http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/FRONTPAGENEWS/70425004 _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Apr 25 17:05:30 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:05:30 -0500 Subject: Podcast of WJIB announcement (reached goal!) Message-ID: <20070425210530.89E4E83986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Bob Bittner is saying that there will be no more fundraising announcements for the rest of the year. He is still accepting donations though especially since he didn't take into account the cost of mailing out the newsletters, etc. "The power of the listeners who have kept WJIB alive..." podcast of this announcement going up in minutes http://wmwm.freehostia.com/WJIBAnnounce425.mp3 From brscomm@charter.net Wed Apr 25 16:59:49 2007 From: brscomm@charter.net (Bill Smith) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:59:49 -0500 Subject: XM & Sirius In One Radio In-Reply-To: <002501c78771$b521e4a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <007601c7877c$a9cf0640$6701a8c0@wesels> The FCC required XM and Sirius develop dual platform chipsets when they first granted them a license. http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/04/22/0000928385-02-001552/Section10.asp "In February 2000, we signed an agreement with Sirius Radio to develop a unified standard for satellite radios, which will facilitate the ability of consumers to purchase one radio capable of receiving both companies' services. In accordance with the terms of the agreement, we expect to work with General Motors to integrate the new standard under the terms of the distribution agreement with General Motors. The agreement with General Motors provides that if General Motors elects to install radios which are capable of receiving broadcasts from other satellite radio providers, in the absence of any regulatory requirements to do so, we may seek to renegotiate the distribution agreement. If the FCC requires the installation of interoperable radios, we will renegotiate the distribution agreement on mutually acceptable terms." Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio- > interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:41 PM > To: Roger Kirk; bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: XM & Sirius In One Radio > > I bet that, at last, the two companies are encouraging consumer-electronics > manufacturers to introduce radios that are compatible with both services. > Previously, both companies were reported to be actively discouraging the > development of such products. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 25 17:57:09 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:57:09 -0400 Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN References: Message-ID: <0f7901c78784$ac909da0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I took note of Stoltz's reason for leaving, and I have to say I'm not surprised. WTAG isn't what it was under Telegram & Gazette or Knight ownership. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Malone" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN > WTAG morning host Hank Stoltz has defected from WTAG to WCRN. > > http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/FRONTPAGENEWS/70425004 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 17:12:40 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <804751.17932.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mike Malone wrote: > WTAG morning host Hank Stoltz has defected from WTAG to WCRN. > > http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/FRONTPAGENEWS/70425004 > Wouldn't this be a relatively expensive pickup for WCRN? I am sure the Carberrys are doing OK financially, given the stations they sold in recent years, but this is a big-boy move for the Worcester market. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Apr 25 18:48:35 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:48:35 -0400 Subject: XM & Sirius In One Radio In-Reply-To: <007601c7877c$a9cf0640$6701a8c0@wesels> References: <002501c78771$b521e4a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <007601c7877c$a9cf0640$6701a8c0@wesels> Message-ID: <027801c7878b$dc694980$6500a8c0@johnster1> from: http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.2871.html Karmazin: Satcasters Would Need to Support Legacy Radios for About 10 Years 3.09.2007 If the two satellite radio companies merge, they would need to support two separate technology platforms until about 2016. This is key, as Wall Street analysts have been debating how much money Sirius and XM might save by merging and how far down the road those benefits would be realized. The 2016 date is from Sirius President/CEO Mel Karmazin, who testified before the House Telecom and Internet Subcommittee this week in a hearing about the future of radio. The satcasters don't want to make current receivers obsolete, he said. In other words, Sirius signals can't transmit and be received by XM radios and vice versa. When asked by Subcommittee Chairman Ed Markey, D-Mass., if a merged company might be able to give up one of its two chunks of 12.5 MHz spectrum space, Karmazin said that using compression technology, each company could "squeeze more channel capacity" out of their respective services to add some more programming, but could not give up a big swath of spectrum. Yet, he left the door open by saying. "We're not spectrum hogs" and "would be open to other ideas." -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:00 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: XM & Sirius In One Radio The FCC required XM and Sirius develop dual platform chipsets when they first granted them a license. http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/04/22/0000928385-02-001552/Section10.asp "In February 2000, we signed an agreement with Sirius Radio to develop a unified standard for satellite radios, which will facilitate the ability of consumers to purchase one radio capable of receiving both companies' services. In accordance with the terms of the agreement, we expect to work with General Motors to integrate the new standard under the terms of the distribution agreement with General Motors. The agreement with General Motors provides that if General Motors elects to install radios which are capable of receiving broadcasts from other satellite radio providers, in the absence of any regulatory requirements to do so, we may seek to renegotiate the distribution agreement. If the FCC requires the installation of interoperable radios, we will renegotiate the distribution agreement on mutually acceptable terms." Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio- > interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:41 PM > To: Roger Kirk; bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: XM & Sirius In One Radio > > I bet that, at last, the two companies are encouraging consumer-electronics > manufacturers to introduce radios that are compatible with both services. > Previously, both companies were reported to be actively discouraging > the development of such products. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 25 22:08:13 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:08:13 -0400 Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN References: <804751.17932.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c787a7$c3696160$19eefea9@dstrassberg> For this move to pay off, Stotz has got to bring A LOT of business to WCRN! Armstrong had been buying the time for his show and it appeared that, for quite a while, what he was paying had kept WCRN afloat. Unless Carberry has made a deal with Stotz to have Stotz buy the time and resell the spot availabilities, WCRN has to sell a lot of spots both to make up for the lost revenue and to cover the the added salary of a second major local air personality. We already know that Entercom is not directly reimbursing WCRN for carrying the Red Sox (nor is Carberry apparently paying Entercom or the Sox to carry the games), but my impression is that most of the commercials that WCRN carries during the Red Sox games come from the network feed and not from local advertisers in central MA. I assume that there is some sort of complicated deal between Entercom and Red Sox network affiliates permitting the affiliates to insert local commercials in place of some of the commercials within the network feed. Those availabilities must be a significant part of the compensation of at least the larger affiliates. But do the sponsors pay to have their commericals appear on affiliates that don't guarantee to clear them? Somebody reading this must know the answer; I hope s/he will share it with us. Maybe if WCRN can sell those presumed availabilities, the Carberrys can directly derive revenue from the Sox games and the benefit to the station will be more than just increased listenership and the hope for profits down the road. Still, the Sox move and the local mid-morning show both appear to be expensive gambles. WCRN has made a fair number of such gambles without much--if any--profit to show for them so far. The first was the excellent Swing 830 adult-standards format that, despite its high quality, garnered few listeners and fewer ad sales. The second was the nighttime power increase, which may yet turn out to be a winner. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Mike Malone" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN > Mike Malone wrote: > > WTAG morning host Hank Stoltz has defected from WTAG to WCRN. > > > > > http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/FRONTPAGENEWS/70 425004 > > > > Wouldn't this be a relatively expensive pickup for WCRN? I am sure the > Carberrys are doing OK financially, given the stations they sold in > recent years, but this is a big-boy move for the Worcester market. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Apr 26 13:22:49 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:22:49 -0400 Subject: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN In-Reply-To: <001601c787a7$c3696160$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <804751.17932.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001601c787a7$c3696160$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <83a03a354e420724bed075df99c2d81f@charter.net> Usually in baseball broadcasts, stations are given a couple of brief breaks in pregame and postgame. In addition, affiliates are usually allowed to air local spots in the break between the top and bottom of an inning. The network takes the break at the end of each inning. Normally the network has the first pitching change break, with locals covering the ones after it. Entercom may be handling local avails a bit differently, but there are plenty of opportunities for affiliates to air local content. If you buy airtime on the network, those spots are guaranteed to run on all stations on the network per contractual obligation. The only exception is if some spots are not allowed to air on out of state stations, such as state lottery or certain insurance company spots. Those can be covered locally, but that's it. From what I've heard on WCRN, it sounds like almost a straight simulcast with WVEI (1440) which does air Central Mass. spots in it's broadcast. The only difference is that the last 30 seconds of a local break WCRN is allowed to cover with it's own content. For the most part they have been airing promos touting Howie Carr, Peter Blute, the "new home for the Sox," etc. I would assume they'll start running promos touting the arrival of Hank Stoltz to their lineup. As of now they are simply using the Sox to generate cume to the station. On Apr 25, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > We already know that Entercom is not directly reimbursing WCRN for > carrying > the Red Sox (nor is Carberry apparently paying Entercom or the Sox to > carry > the games), but my impression is that most of the commercials that WCRN > carries during the Red Sox games come from the network feed and not > from > local advertisers in central MA. I assume that there is some sort of > complicated deal between Entercom and Red Sox network affiliates > permitting > the affiliates to insert local commercials in place of some of the > commercials within the network feed. Those availabilities must be a > significant part of the compensation of at least the larger > affiliates. But > do the sponsors pay to have their commericals appear on affiliates that > don't guarantee to clear them? Somebody reading this must know the > answer; I > hope s/he will share it with us. > > Maybe if WCRN can sell those presumed availabilities, the Carberrys can > directly derive revenue from the Sox games and the benefit to the > station > will be more than just increased listenership and the hope for profits > down > the road. Still, the Sox move and the local mid-morning show both > appear to > be expensive gambles. WCRN has made a fair number of such gambles > without > much--if any--profit to show for them so far. The first was the > excellent > Swing 830 adult-standards format that, despite its high quality, > garnered > few listeners and fewer ad sales. The second was the nighttime power > increase, which may yet turn out to be a winner. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Smyth" > To: "Mike Malone" ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: WTAG's Hank Stoltz jumps ship to WCRN > > >> Mike Malone wrote: >>> WTAG morning host Hank Stoltz has defected from WTAG to WCRN. >>> >>> >> > http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/ > FRONTPAGENEWS/70 > 425004 >>> >> >> Wouldn't this be a relatively expensive pickup for WCRN? I am sure the >> Carberrys are doing OK financially, given the stations they sold in >> recent years, but this is a big-boy move for the Worcester market. >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 27 11:17:41 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:17:41 -0500 Subject: Could WBCN go "Free"? (example of Balt. version) Message-ID: <20070427151741.B222A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Last night out of curiosity I went to AM 1090 to see how the Orioles broadcasters were covering the O's-Sox game; but the O's, longtime a part of WBAL, weren't there! It was a local sports talk show instead. So I went to the Orioles site today and found that the team is now on WHFS-FM 105.7, "Free FM" (those calls were originally on a modern rock station in D.C., IIRC) Here's their site: could WBCN do something similar? http://1057freefm.com/ (Owned by CBS as it turns out) They have local talk except for Jerry Doyle overnights and Don & Mike (out of nearby Wash DC I think) in pm drive. WBCN could also do some local talkers in addition to Opie and Anthony; maybe have some shows mix music in, etc. Throw in Pats, which they have, and Bruins, which they can get from sis station WBZ. Could it happen? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 15:02:14 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Could WBCN go "Free"? (example of Balt. version) In-Reply-To: <20070427151741.B222A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <874613.75380.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> VERY big difference between WHFS, as presently constituted (1), and WBCN, namely WBCN's rock legacy. They still do well in the ratings, and they still bill well, too. 105.7 has had a number of formats over the years. (1) WHFS was a talk station for a bit ("Hot 105.7," IIRC) before picking up the WHFS calls -- parked there by CBS/Infinity. Since 105.7 needed some weekend programming, CBS started to play the alternative music on 105.7 that previously was on the more recent version of WHFS @ 99.1. 99.1 now is targeted at a Spanish-speaking audience. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 16:08:36 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Could WBCN go "Free"? (example of Balt. version) In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0704271237i5bd9fd82of7ff94560f0693cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <793374.99393.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Keith Lavon wrote: > I think there are lots of similarities between BCN and the old HFS. The old WHFS -- old is the key word in your sentence. This is not the old WHFS. It's a ripoff in the Baltimore market. If CBS would blow up a station here, I doubt 104.1 would be atop the list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 27 16:01:38 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:01:38 -0500 Subject: Could WBCN go "Free"? (example of Balt. version) Message-ID: <20070427200138.0BC371BF281@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Could WBCN go "Free"? (example of Balt. version) >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:17:41 -0500 >They have local talk except for Jerry Doyle overnights and Don & >Mike (out of nearby Wash DC I think) in >pm drive. Funny you should mention "Don and Mike"; I just finished reading "Something In The Air" by Marc Fisher, and he devotes quite a bit of ink to Don Geronimo, the 'Don' of the aforementioned duo... which set me thinking (uh oh, bad sign): If your name is Geronimo, what do you yell if you parachute out of a plane? "M-E-E-E-E-E-E"? = Custom Sunroom Design High quality hardwood sunrooms for homes throughout the USA. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=18511762ac7bf13e3f307a7752b186e9 From BTru1@webtv.net Sun Apr 29 20:18:06 2007 From: BTru1@webtv.net (BTru1@webtv.net) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:18:06 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: <20284-463535BE-7312@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> I read with interest the discussion last July of the whens and wheres of Joe Smith. As a kid I listened to Joe Smith first on WVDA/WEZE where he pulled an afternoon and evening shift. His show at night at 7:45 followed the rosary recited by then Archbishop Cushing. 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