From lglavin@mail.com Thu Nov 2 17:09:39 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:09:39 -0500 Subject: New AM In Providence? Message-ID: <20061102220941.4E77B1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> The FCC Applications list for today (11/02) contains an FCC ok for Alex Langer to build a CP for an AM station on 1140 khz near Providence (COL Greenville, RI). I couldn't get the map displaying the daytime pattern to work, but I suspect it will provide heavy protection to WTTT-AM 1150. Just what Providence need...another AM station. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 2 17:26:59 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:26:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: New AM In Providence? In-Reply-To: <20061102220941.4E77B1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on rolinin.bostonradio.org autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 rolinin.bostonradio.org References: <20061102220941.4E77B1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on rolinin.bostonradio.org autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 rolinin.bostonradio.org Message-ID: <36130.66.195.169.98.1162506419.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> > The FCC Applications list for today (11/02) contains an FCC ok for > Alex Langer to build a CP for an AM station on 1140 khz near > Providence (COL Greenville, RI). I couldn't get the map > displaying the daytime pattern to work, but I suspect it will > provide heavy protection to WTTT-AM 1150. Just what Providence > need...another AM station. Actually, the Langer app has merely been "accepted for filing." That doesn't guarantee it will ever be granted, or built. s From markwats@comcast.net Fri Nov 3 05:52:03 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 05:52:03 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again Message-ID: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> WRKO talk show host John DePetro has been suspended for at least one day by station management after making a derogatory remark about Grace Ross, the Green-Rainbow party candidiate for Massachusetts governor. It's not the first time DePetro has been in trouble over comments made on the air. In July he was suspended for a few days over his use of words to describe then Mass Turnpike Authority chairman Matt Amorello. Here's a link to a Boston Globe article with more details: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/11/03/talk_host_gets_snidely_personal_then_gets_hook/ Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 10:25:42 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:25:42 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again In-Reply-To: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> References: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611030725h5f12152ej7a806e7e39cbe3a0@mail.gmail.com> Radio Equalizer reported at 10:14 am that DePetro and his board op have been fired. References to DePetro gone from WRKO site. http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/ On 11/3/06, Mark Watson wrote: > WRKO talk show host John DePetro has been suspended for at least one day > by station management after making a derogatory remark about Grace Ross, the From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 10:27:24 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611030725h5f12152ej7a806e7e39cbe3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> <1fbbbced0611030725h5f12152ej7a806e7e39cbe3a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611030727h4173194fn54606ef09d783553@mail.gmail.com> More info via boston.com. A statement will be released shortly. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2006/11/radio_host_fire_1.html From stephanie@gordsven.com Fri Nov 3 10:39:53 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:39:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again In-Reply-To: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> References: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <19668.12.37.144.130.1162568393.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Fri, November 3, 2006 05:52, Mark Watson wrote: > WRKO talk show host John DePetro has been suspended for at least one day > by station management after making a derogatory remark about Grace Ross, God forbid a talkshow host should make a derogatory comment about anyone or anything. I mean...if they get suspended over stuff like that, how come Mike Savage is still on the air? That guy's got more poison in storage than an insecticide factory. stephanie From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 11:07:00 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:07:00 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> Various other talk hosts have called public figures fat, including Howie Carr with Ted K.("fatboy" nickname). Al Franken even made it a point to include the word in the title of one of his books, with reference to Limbaugh. Savage was benched briefly by 'RKO after the MSNBC incident. Consider that WRKO has to be careful it doesn't offend its listeners, _sponsors_, and the likes of the Red Sox (big bucks paid for longterm contract/big ratings expected) and Celtics. But yes you wonder if there's a double standard. Hire a controversial talk host! Ooh boy, what's he gonna say today--he said WHAT? Uh oh (i.e., hey, you play with fire and you might get burned...) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 11:30:32 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:30:32 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Bob Nelson" > Various other talk hosts have called public figures fat... I don't think it was the "fat" comment...as much as it was the "lesbian" comment. And seeing how Depetro was in this predicament before with the "Fag Matt Amorello" comment. I think this shows a pattern. Add to that the fact that his ratings are invisible...and WRKO would like to save money.... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 11:59:11 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:59:11 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/06, Don A. wrote: > I don't think it was the "fat" comment...as much as it was the "lesbian" > comment. (snip) > Add to that the fact that his ratings are invisible...and WRKO would like to > save money.... Could be. Which is why I wonder if they'll go to Glenn Beck (syndie), though then again they'd prob. want to keep it local. But the fact that 'RKO doesn't want to offend listeners, sponsors, and certainly the Sox and Celts figures into it. An ad sister station WEEI runs in papers shows the "desktop" of Larry Lucchino of the Red Sox, and apparently a note is being written to Jason Wolfe: "I thought you were going to control these guys (Dennis and Callahan)..." That connection... (wouldn't want to make the Sox look bad, since 'RKO will be their flagship and people might complain to the folks on Yawkey Way about what's going on at Guest St.)... From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Nov 3 12:03:48 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:03:48 -0500 Subject: Gene Burns back to Mid-Days on WRKO? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01dd01c6ff6a$07f21640$6500a8c0@Office> Not going to happen. I called Gene this morning after the news about John DePetro broke......told him that there was an opening 9 - noon...(That would be 6am - 9am in San Francisco where Gene now lives). He could always do the show on ISDN ........he says he happy sleeping til 8 or so every morning..thank you very much..... He signed a new contract with KGO recently for 5 more years (that will take him to his 70th birthday). -Gary Francis WCAP (and former fill-in host for Gene Burns' WRKO Dining Around Show) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.24/514 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 From me@billoneill.us Fri Nov 3 14:55:43 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:55:43 -0500 Subject: Mid-days WRKO Message-ID: <454B9EBF.3000101@billoneill.us> Glenn Beck's numbers are looking solid in a lot of high profile markets. With his new opinion show on Headline News this seems to be a good trend time for the host. OTOH, with the '08 season almost upon us, WRKO may want a local political talker with some national cred, as well. Bill O'Neill From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 3 15:22:25 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:22:25 -0500 Subject: Mid-days WRKO In-Reply-To: <454B9EBF.3000101@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <454B5EB1.12646.35540B@localhost> On 3 Nov 2006 Bill O'Neill wrote: > Glenn Beck's numbers are looking solid in a lot of high profile > markets. With his new opinion show on Headline News this seems to be a > good trend time for the host. > > OTOH, with the '08 season almost upon us, WRKO may want a local > political talker with some national cred, as well. On that topic, I was wondering how they managed to get people with such national credentials to moderate the gubernatorial debates this year. This week's debate was moderated by Cokey Roberts of ABC, the one before by former Presidential advisor David Gergen. I think an earlier debate was moderated by former New Hampshire governor Jean Shaheen. This seems like much more prestigious moderators than we've seen in the past. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From m1bz@hotmail.com Fri Nov 3 15:25:42 2006 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:25:42 -0500 Subject: Mid-days WRKO In-Reply-To: <454B5EB1.12646.35540B@localhost> Message-ID: Cokie Roberts was mighty unimpressive. On WBUR, the audio vanished during Mihos' closing statements. Anyone know what happened? >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: Boston Radio Interest , > "Bill O'Neill" >Subject: Re: Mid-days WRKO >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:22:25 -0500 > >On 3 Nov 2006 Bill O'Neill wrote: > > > Glenn Beck's numbers are looking solid in a lot of high profile > > markets. With his new opinion show on Headline News this seems to be a > > good trend time for the host. > > > > OTOH, with the '08 season almost upon us, WRKO may want a local > > political talker with some national cred, as well. > >On that topic, I was wondering how they managed to get people with >such national credentials to moderate the gubernatorial debates this >year. This week's debate was moderated by Cokey Roberts of ABC, the >one before by former Presidential advisor David Gergen. I think an >earlier debate was moderated by former New Hampshire governor Jean >Shaheen. This seems like much more prestigious moderators than we've >seen in the past. > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From stephanie@gordsven.com Fri Nov 3 15:31:40 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Fri, November 3, 2006 11:59, Bob Nelson wrote: > they'd prob. want to keep it local. But the fact that 'RKO doesn't > want to offend listeners, sponsors, and certainly the Sox and Celts figures > into it. How can you run a GOOD news-talk station without offending some body, some of the time? Maybe they could just run gardening, cooking and pet shows all day long. That won't offend anyone, for sure. :D -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 15:59:50 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:59:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mid-days WRKO In-Reply-To: <454B9EBF.3000101@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <20061103205950.73739.qmail@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- Bill O'Neill wrote: > Glenn Beck's numbers are looking solid in a lot of high profile > markets. > With his new opinion show on Headline News this seems to be a good > trend > time for the host. > > OTOH, with the '08 season almost upon us, WRKO may want a local > political talker with some national cred, as well. Michael Graham, depending on his contract situation, might be an option. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 16:00:01 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:00:01 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> <29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com> >>gardening, cooking and pet shows all day long. If the Fairness Doctrine comes back, that could be what we hear! The repeal of that helped Rush on his way to success, and talk radio exploded--usually in the conservative direction. (Nobody says liberal talk shows can't be on the air but they need to be good enough to succeed...in the marketplace). If the FD comes back, talk stations won't want to be running anything "controversial" for fear that they'll have to "give the other side" (which also means Air America would have to have conservative hosts, folks!) and that could hurt them in the ratings. (Liberals always have other forms of media to fall back on or they could do their own "entertaining" shows...) From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Nov 3 16:03:50 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:03:50 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> <29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17739.44726.808773.84425@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If the Fairness Doctrine comes back, that could be what we hear! What makes you think that is on the cards? I cannot imagine the courts allowing that, even if the FCC were for some strange reason to decide to wade back into those waters. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Fri Nov 3 16:19:39 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:19:39 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <17739.44726.808773.84425@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> <29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com> <17739.44726.808773.84425@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <454BB26B.1050308@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > What makes you think that is on the cards? Personally, I don't see the Fairness Doctrine coming back, but the general impression among conservatives and libertarians is that any initiative to revisit the F.D. would be more likely to occur if the leadership were to pendulum back to the left in Washington. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 3 16:48:35 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:48:35 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <454BB26B.1050308@billoneill.us> References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com> <017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com> <29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com> <17739.44726.808773.84425@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <454BB26B.1050308@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611031348m1dde9353i7bd38e5390245510@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/06, Bill O'Neill wrote: the > general impression among conservatives and libertarians is that any > initiative to revisit the F.D. would be more likely to occur if the > leadership were to pendulum back to the left in Washington. I agree with Bill... What would be next, a Fairness Doctrine for newspapers? magazines?: What kind of government watchdog agency would keep an eye on "fairness"? From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Nov 3 19:03:29 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 19:03:29 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611031348m1dde9353i7bd38e5390245510@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611040003.kA403vSO036329@rolinin.bostonradio.org> The return of fairness doctrine is badly needed especially when you look at the recent radio landscape. Take a look at the picture from AP of all the conservative talk show hosts camped out at the White House getting free access to every administration spokesperson under the sun to cheerlead for Republicans. Consider another picture from AP, of the private meeting the president held with seven of the top radio talk show hosts held a few weeks ago in the Oval Office in order to keep those talk hosts from straying from the reservation. When Clinton invited talk hosts to the White House to talk about issues and have access to administration members, every host under the sun was invited, not just the few liberal ones on the air. Did that happen in this White House? No. Did this White House allow liberal talk show hosts access to administration spokespeople to answer something other than lofty softball questions? No. Newspapers and magazines don't need a fairness doctrine because anyone can create a new newspaper or magazine to compete with other ones. With radio, you can't just go and create a radio station of the blue to compete with another radio station which only has rightwing nut jobs on it. Well, you could do that, but you would end up in jail if you did. Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:49 PM To: Bill O'Neill; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: DePetro fired... I agree with Bill... What would be next, a Fairness Doctrine for newspapers? magazines?: What kind of government watchdog agency would keep an eye on "fairness"? From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 3 20:10:05 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:10:05 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611031348m1dde9353i7bd38e5390245510@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> The woman in question is not skinny and she is openly homosexual. I don't see name calling adding anything to the debate, but his remark hardly seems like a firing offense when it was not really inaccurate and said about a politician. Weird. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Nov 3 20:52:53 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:52:53 -0800 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <8D53E5AE-010E-1000-EDBE-C09F15721F8D-Webmail-10010@mac.com> On Friday, November 03, 2006, at 08:16PM, "Daniel Billings" wrote: >The woman in question is not skinny and she is openly homosexual. > >I don't see name calling adding anything to the debate, but his remark >hardly seems like a firing offense when it was not really inaccurate and >said about a politician. I think it's a matter of context. If he referred to the other candidates by their names and then said "and the fat lesbian's position on that issue is xxxxxx", it would be obvious that it was intended as an insult. I didn't hear it nor see a transcript so I can't say for sure. It always seems though that when a talk host gets fired for such an infraction, he most always winds up with a better gig in a bigger market. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From xtrovato@yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 22:29:07 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 19:29:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061104032908.69819.qmail@web35911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Daniel Billings wrote: > The woman in question is not skinny and she is > openly homosexual. > I don't see name calling adding anything to the > debate, but his remark > hardly seems like a firing offense when it was not > really inaccurate and > said about a politician. Well it was "personal". And zings like that, as you said, do nothing for the debate....and don't add any credibility to WRKO as being a station you might turn to for information. I see a new line of sensitivity from WRKO....maybe it's due to the impending sox move? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 4 00:04:21 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:04:21 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611030725h5f12152ej7a806e7e39cbe3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <454BD905.18003.36D094@localhost> On 3 Nov 2006 at 10:25, Bob Nelson wrote: > Radio Equalizer reported at 10:14 am that DePetro and his board op > have been fired. References to DePetro gone from WRKO site. Why the board op? What did he do? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From m1bz@hotmail.com Sat Nov 4 00:31:44 2006 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:31:44 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again In-Reply-To: <454BD905.18003.36D094@localhost> Message-ID: Board op is scapegoat, but legally RKO has a leg to stand on. Board op should know to bleep offensive sound for RKO, not for the host he's working with. >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Mark Watson" , >boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, raccoonradio@gmail.com >Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:04:21 -0500 > >On 3 Nov 2006 at 10:25, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > Radio Equalizer reported at 10:14 am that DePetro and his board op > > have been fired. References to DePetro gone from WRKO site. > >Why the board op? What did he do? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Nov 4 00:45:54 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 00:45:54 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again References: <001101c6ff36$19368c80$9447da18@Mark> <454BD905.18003.36D094@localhost> Message-ID: <004601c6ffd4$7ee7ade0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> >Why the board op? What did he do?< Because he makes $8 per hour and has to make instant million dollar decisions... ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Mark Watson" ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again > On 3 Nov 2006 at 10:25, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > Radio Equalizer reported at 10:14 am that DePetro and his board op > > have been fired. References to DePetro gone from WRKO site. > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 03:06:55 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 03:06:55 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again References: Message-ID: <03c701c6ffea$555e2060$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Board op is scapegoat, but legally RKO has a leg to stand on. Board op > should know to bleep offensive sound for RKO, not for the host he's working > with. I would think the offensive sound he's on alert for is from the callers. Not the Host that was hired by WRKO for his air talent and skills. Sounds like the Yovino situation all over again.... From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 03:42:13 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 03:42:13 -0500 Subject: Mid-days WRKO References: <454B5EB1.12646.35540B@localhost> Message-ID: <002e01c6ffed$38771c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > On that topic, I was wondering how they managed to get people with > such national credentials to moderate the gubernatorial debates this > year. This week's debate was moderated by Cokey Roberts of ABC, the > one before by former Presidential advisor David Gergen. I think an > earlier debate was moderated by former New Hampshire governor Jean > Shaheen. This seems like much more prestigious moderators than we've > seen in the past. Didn't we have Tim Russert and Chris Wallace moderate at one time? I would guess all of the above are on the speaking curcuit. Do you think the debates sponsor pays them a fee? (as they would if they was appearing at the rotary club to give a speech?) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 03:08:22 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 03:08:22 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... References: <1fbbbced0611030807t393defc1ka792b17748489644@mail.gmail.com><017b01c6ff65$66433c60$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net><1fbbbced0611030859s36e30029s44126569ab873073@mail.gmail.com><29788.12.37.144.130.1162585900.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com><1fbbbced0611031259w60c03b63qae9d6f0682ab0fbf@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0611031300x487160abh698eefb6a8efd5d1@mail.gmail.com><17739.44726.808773.84425@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu><454BB26B.1050308@billoneill.us> <1fbbbced0611031348m1dde9353i7bd38e5390245510@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03c801c6ffea$55875340$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > What would be next, a Fairness Doctrine for newspapers? magazines?: > What kind of government watchdog agency would keep an eye on > "fairness"? Ummm.... The FCC? The same people that kept an eye on it when it was law. From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Nov 4 07:21:27 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:21:27 -0500 Subject: Board op firing ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200611041253.kA4Cr58J060315@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> While I'm not an attorney, I do play HR person at my radio station and have had a few crash courses on what you can fire someone for and how things have to be spelled out to employees. The only way WRKO is in the right here is if they had a written or spoken policy to that board op to bleep anything that DiPetro said which might be considered offensive. In addition, I certainly hope they have whatever is deemed offensive spelled out in specific instructions to their employees or said board op might have a pretty good case of false firing. Lastly, Massachusetts is not an at-will employment state, so WRKO can't just firing someone without just cause. If they don't have that just cause spelled out, I think it is safe to say they might have a problem here. Thoughts from attorneys on the list who might know Mass. law better than I? Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Michael E Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 AM To: joe@attorneyross.com; markwats@comcast.net; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; raccoonradio@gmail.com Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended Again Board op is scapegoat, but legally RKO has a leg to stand on. Board op should know to bleep offensive sound for RKO, not for the host he's working with. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Nov 4 10:04:21 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:04:21 -0800 Subject: Board op firing ... In-Reply-To: <200611041253.kA4Cr58J060315@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <200611041253.kA4Cr58J060315@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <88D89DB1-010E-1000-AE74-67507823908F-Webmail-10010@mac.com> On Saturday, November 04, 2006, at 07:56AM, "radiotony" wrote: >Lastly, Massachusetts is not an at-will employment state, so WRKO can't just >firing someone without just cause. >If they don't have that just cause spelled out, I think it is safe to say >they might have a problem here. I've always thought Massachusetts did follow at-will employment law, and this page from boston.com seems to agree: http://bostonworks.boston.com/hr/hrexpert/articles/061206.shtml It's best to document the situation to avoid specific charges of discrimination, etc., that could violate Mass. law. I don't think there is any requirement of "cause" for firing an at-will employee. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 4 12:16:47 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:16:47 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... Message-ID: <20061104171652.0FC5952A59@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Bob wrote-- > >If the FD comes back, talk stations won't want to be >running anything "controversial" for fear that they'll have to "give >the other side" That is, excuse me for saying so, total nonsense. Even during the days of the FD, it never said you had to immediately give the other side. It just said you couldn't attack somebody viciously (as Michael Savage is wont to do) without providing them with the opportunity to come on the air and respond. There were plenty of interesting and often controversial talk show hosts who functioned just fine under the Fairness Doctrine. The late great Jerry Williams certainly was not bland or boring, and he still managed to stay on the right side of the Doctrine. It just made everybody a little more responsible and a little less nasty. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 13:49:19 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:49:19 -0500 Subject: depetro comments Message-ID: <030401c70041$f162b280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> For those who didn't know what the comments were that got Depetro fired, it was this: >> According to a tape of his Thursday show, DePetro was venting about the previous night's gubernatorial debate. "I could go now a lifetime without Grace Ross," he said. "She has nerve. This whole business of 'well since we're being ignored,' " he said, mocking Ross's effort to get equal time in the debate. "No, you're irrelevant. Get off the stage!" he continued, directing his remarks to Ross. "I couldn't stand her at the end. At one point I was about to yell: "Will somebody tell that fat lesbian to shut up. . . . "Shut up. Go home," DePetro said. "Burger King is looking for another third-shift person to work the grill. Enough." << From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 4 15:01:44 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:01:44 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <20061104171652.0FC5952A59@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <454CAB58.30268.A590B2@localhost> On 4 Nov 2006 at 12:16, Donna Halper wrote: > That is, excuse me for saying so, total nonsense. Even during the > days of the FD, it never said you had to immediately give the other > side. It just said you couldn't attack somebody viciously (as Michael > Savage is wont to do) without providing them with the opportunity to > come on the air and respond. There were plenty of interesting and > often controversial talk show hosts who functioned just fine under the > Fairness Doctrine. The late great Jerry Williams certainly was not > bland or boring, and he still managed to stay on the right side of the > Doctrine. It just made everybody a little more responsible and a > little less nasty. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I remember appearing on an interview show on WBUR sometime around 1980 with Harold Brown, the prominent landlord. At the time, a clerk- magistrate in the Brookline District Court had issued a criminal complaint against Brown for some violation or other of the rent control laws. Brown said the decision was "coerced." I responded that, while I didn't always like this particular magistrate's decisions, there was no way he could ever be "coerced." I later learned from that clerk-magistrate that WBUR had provided him a cassette of the program, or at least that excerpt, with a cover letter inviting him to reply. He thanked me for defending him. I don't believe he chose to reply. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 4 14:20:32 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:20:32 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <030401c70041$f162b280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000501c70046$4f681380$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> > -----Original Message----- > According to a tape of his Thursday show, DePetro was venting about the > previous night's gubernatorial debate. "I could go now a lifetime without > Grace Ross," he said. "She has nerve. This whole business of 'well since > we're being ignored,' " he said, mocking Ross's effort to get equal time > in the debate. > > "No, you're irrelevant. Get off the stage!" he continued, directing his > remarks to Ross. "I couldn't stand her at the end. At one point I was > about > to yell: "Will somebody tell that fat lesbian to shut up. . . . > > "Shut up. Go home," DePetro said. "Burger King is looking for another > third-shift person to work the grill. Enough." What am I missing? The guy is knocking a politician in a nasty way. If that is a firing offense, there are only a few talk show hosts that would have a job. John Stewart has made a career of making fun of politicians, including jokes based on how they look physically. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 4 15:01:44 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:01:44 -0500 Subject: Board op firing ... In-Reply-To: <88D89DB1-010E-1000-AE74-67507823908F-Webmail-10010@mac.com> References: <200611041253.kA4Cr58J060315@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <454CAB58.27400.A59002@localhost> On 4 Nov 2006 at 7:04, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > On Saturday, November 04, 2006, at 07:56AM, "radiotony" > wrote: > > >Lastly, Massachusetts is not an at-will employment state, so WRKO > >can't just firing someone without just cause. If they don't have that > >just cause spelled out, I think it is safe to say they might have a > >problem here. > > I've always thought Massachusetts did follow at-will employment law, > and this page from boston.com seems to agree: We do have employment at will in Massachusetts. But every contract contains a covenant of "good faith and fair dealing," which sometimes means that the courts will step in on a wrongful firing. This more likely happens over financial issues, and while the courts won't order someone reinstated, they may award money damages. The classic situation was when an at-will employee was fired just before certain pension rights were about to vest, or an employee was fired to prevent him from qualifying for commissions he has earned. I'm not so sure the board op would have a case here unless there was an explicit contractual provision that was violated. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Nov 4 21:45:28 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 21:45:28 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... References: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <008c01c70084$748d5150$7901a8c0@rogerhomeii> > I don't see name calling adding anything to the debate, but his remark > hardly seems like a firing offense when it was not really inaccurate and > said about a politician. If Grace Ross really wanted to show "GRACEiousness" and "class" she could have publicly called for DePetro not be fired, but simply disciplined. She might have gotten a little more respect from John (maybe?!). But, I'm sure she's reveling in silencing a perceived enemy. Just my $0.02 plus tax & gratuity From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 4 22:03:34 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:03:34 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <008c01c70084$748d5150$7901a8c0@rogerhomeii> References: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <008c01c70084$748d5150$7901a8c0@rogerhomeii> Message-ID: <20061105030338.722B3CDB5@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >it was said-- > >If Grace Ross really wanted to show "GRACEiousness" and "class" she >could have publicly called for DePetro not be fired, but simply disciplined. >She might have gotten a little more respect from John (maybe?!). But, >I'm sure she's reveling in silencing a perceived enemy. Umm, who (or whom) did she silence? DePetro was fired before they even got a second set of comments from her. Her first comment was very mild and non-commital. She didn't get into 'giving a speech' mode till much later. Also, I find this entire thing really bizarre. I am not a fan of hate-speech by anyone, right wing or left wing, and although most of what's on WRKO is from the right, it's pretty consistent. So getting rid of DePetro when others on the station say similar things just mystifies me. I wish there were some standard of what is crossing the line. I wish I knew what the line is. I wonder if there's more to this story than meets the eye-- maybe they had wanted to get rid of him, as somebody suggested earlier, and this just gave them an excuse. But it wasn't Grace Ross's doing. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 4 22:12:00 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:12:00 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <20061105030338.722B3CDB5@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000001c70088$2c73b040$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Halper [mailto:dlh@donnahalper.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:04 PM > To: Roger Kirk; Daniel Billings; boston-radio- > interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: DePetro fired... > > I am not a fan of > hate-speech by anyone, right wing or left wing, So calling someone fat is hate speech? Or is calling an actual lesbian, a lesbian hate speech? There are lots of derogatory terms for homosexuals which the use of on the air would be a firing offense in my book, but the last time that I checked, gay and lesbian were acceptable terms. Did I miss a memo? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 4 22:41:25 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:41:25 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <000001c70088$2c73b040$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <20061105030338.722B3CDB5@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <000001c70088$2c73b040$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061105034129.450AEC09D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Dan B wrote-- >So calling someone fat is hate speech? > >Or is calling an actual lesbian, a lesbian hate speech? I wasn't talking about DePetro. I was saying that a lot of talk radio has just turned into rude name-calling and insults. I don't necessarily find it offensive, but I do think it's a sad mis-use of the airwaves. Talk shows were once supposed to illuminate the issues. Now, too often, they are just a lot of huffing and puffing. That's all I meant. From m1bz@hotmail.com Sat Nov 4 22:41:46 2006 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:41:46 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <20061105030338.722B3CDB5@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: I agree, it seems like RKO pulled the trigger rather quickly. We don't know what went on in the offices, nor do we know why the board op was also terminated. It seems, though, that they were in no great hurry to defend him or keep him. With the exception of Howie Carr, I haven't heard others on RKO nudging that envelope as far as this guy did. Even Howie seems to have lines he won't cross. The rules in radio seem very fluid as far as what you can or cannot say. It seems it's only when the FCC rules on a case do we have any direction. >From: Donna Halper >To: "Roger Kirk" , "Daniel Billings" >, > >Subject: Re: DePetro fired... >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:03:34 -0500 > > >>it was said-- >> >>If Grace Ross really wanted to show "GRACEiousness" and "class" she >>could have publicly called for DePetro not be fired, but simply >>disciplined. >>She might have gotten a little more respect from John (maybe?!). But, >>I'm sure she's reveling in silencing a perceived enemy. > >Umm, who (or whom) did she silence? DePetro was fired before they even got >a second set of comments from her. Her first comment was very mild and >non-commital. She didn't get into 'giving a speech' mode till much later. > >Also, I find this entire thing really bizarre. I am not a fan of >hate-speech by anyone, right wing or left wing, and although most of what's >on WRKO is from the right, it's pretty consistent. So getting rid of >DePetro when others on the station say similar things just mystifies me. I >wish there were some standard of what is crossing the line. I wish I knew >what the line is. I wonder if there's more to this story than meets the >eye-- maybe they had wanted to get rid of him, as somebody suggested >earlier, and this just gave them an excuse. But it wasn't Grace Ross's >doing. > _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 4 23:10:31 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:10:31 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000501c70046$4f681380$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <030401c70041$f162b280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <454D1DE7.22170.2651FAF@localhost> On 4 Nov 2006 at 14:20, Daniel Billings wrote: > What am I missing? The guy is knocking a politician in a nasty way. > If that is a firing offense, there are only a few talk show hosts that > would have a job. If he had said of Deval Patrick, "Will somebody tell that Black guy to go home," it would have been considered a racial slur and gotten him fired. So why do you have so much trouble understanding why a slur on Grace Ross's homosexuality is a firing offense? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 23:58:48 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 20:58:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <000001c70088$2c73b040$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061105045848.57183.qmail@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Daniel Billings wrote: > So calling someone fat is hate speech? > > Or is calling an actual lesbian, a lesbian hate speech? > > There are lots of derogatory terms for homosexuals which the use of > on the > air would be a firing offense in my book, but the last time that I > checked, > gay and lesbian were acceptable terms. Did I miss a memo? It wasn't hate speech. It was, though, irrelevant to the point being discussed. And some people feel the word lesbian still has some negativity attached to it, even in 2006. So what if she's an overweight lesbian? How does that relate to the point at hand that DePetro was making -- i.e. she was wasting everyone's time? And I'll go along with the gang that says they were looking for a reason to can him already, and this provided a nice chance to do so and -- I don't know if comments deemed offensive by the suits would be covered in some kind of contractual, "unbecoming behavior" clause -- potentially cut bait without having to write another check. Consider his previous incidents: the fag comment, his on-air fight with the WPRO (or was it WHJJ) host, etc. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 01:10:39 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:10:39 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... References: <20061105045848.57183.qmail@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <038001c700a1$878c4500$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Consider > his previous incidents: the fag comment, his on-air fight with the WPRO > (or was it WHJJ) host, etc. What was the on-air fight about? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 01:11:51 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:11:51 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... References: <000c01c6ffad$f680f770$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <008c01c70084$748d5150$7901a8c0@rogerhomeii> Message-ID: <038101c700a1$88128c00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > If Grace Ross really wanted to show "GRACEiousness" and "class" she > could have publicly called for DePetro not be fired, but simply disciplined. If I am correct, she didn't "call" for anything....I think THAT was gracious. > She might have gotten a little more respect from John (maybe?!). But, > I'm sure she's reveling in silencing a perceived enemy. SHE......didn't silence anybody. It was WRKO...that silence Depetro...as is their right. Some may say Depetro silenced himself. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 5 01:27:43 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:27:43 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: <038101c700a1$88128c00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <454D3E0F.21323.2E2C1EE@localhost> On 5 Nov 2006 at 1:11, Don A. wrote: > > If Grace Ross really wanted to show "GRACEiousness" and "class" she > > could have publicly called for DePetro not be fired, but simply > disciplined. > > If I am correct, she didn't "call" for anything....I think THAT was > gracious. Did Grace Ross say anything at all about this incident? Is there any evidence that she even heard of it? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 01:21:20 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:21:20 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000501c70046$4f681380$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > What am I missing? The guy is knocking a politician in a nasty way. If that > is a firing offense, there are only a few talk show hosts that would have a > job. I think the key words are "fat lesbian". WRKO probably considers it along the same lines as: "Tell that midget to go back..." or "Tell that cripple to...." Or to Deval: "Tell that Black guy to go back to Chicago", would've been something similar. Would these be acceptable? We suddenly reduce his whole being to "that black guy". Usually, what we teach our kids is you don't make fun of someone for something that they have no control over. We don't make fun of people's personal appearance.....their race, ethnicity, big ears, or nowadays sexual orientation, usually because those things have nothing to do with the issues being discussed. >So calling someone fat is hate speech? > >Or is calling an actual lesbian, a lesbian hate speech? Is calling someone "that cripple" hate speech? (...even if they are techinally are "crippled", as defined by the dictionary?) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cripple It usually goes to intent. And the intent was to use some non-related aspect of her life to zing her. Zing her for the issues, some of her dumb positions ;-) but not on her looks or orientation. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 5 08:43:38 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:43:38 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> > -----Original Message----- > From: Don A. [mailto:Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:21 AM > To: Daniel Billings; bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: depetro comments > > "Tell that midget to go back..." or "Tell that cripple to...." > > Would these be acceptable? Neither midget nor cripple are politically correct term. But when did lesbian fall out of favor? Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. > We don't make fun of people's personal appearance..... Have you watched the Daily Show? They do it all the time. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Nov 5 10:24:02 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:24:02 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <454D1DE7.22170.2651FAF@localhost> Message-ID: <001801c700ee$6e070a00$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> > > > What am I missing? The guy is knocking a politician in a nasty way. > > If that is a firing offense, there are only a few talk show > hosts that > > would have a job. > > If he had said of Deval Patrick, "Will somebody tell that > Black guy to go home," it would have been considered a racial > slur and gotten him fired. So why do you have so much > trouble understanding why a slur on Grace Ross's > homosexuality is a firing offense? > I think that the comment was in poor taste but not grounds for dismissal. Does WRKO want edgy talk radio geared to the working man from Southie or do they want politically correct, plain vanilla speak? Pick an audience and cater to it. Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Nov 5 10:21:48 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:21:48 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <001701c700ee$1e606a00$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> > > "Tell that midget to go back..." or "Tell that cripple to...." > > > > Would these be acceptable? > > Neither midget nor cripple are politically correct term. > > But when did lesbian fall out of favor? > > Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. > ...and the n****** word is a word used by blacks to address each other. How long do you think that I'd last on the air if I uttered that? Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Nov 5 11:31:09 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:31:09 -0500 Subject: FW: depetro comments Message-ID: <002101c700f7$cd6ad040$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> > > -----Original Message----- > > ...and the n****** word is a word used by blacks to address > each other. > > How > > long do you think that I'd last on the air if I uttered that? > > The last time that I checked Gay, lesbian, and transgendered were the > favored and accepted terms. I hear lesbian used in the media > regularly. I do not hear the N word used. > Try BET or any of the "black" radio stations. It's a greeting, noun, curse or whatever context is "appropriate". It apparently IS accepted in the black community only between blacks. It is not that uncommon within any ethnic group for the members to refer to each other, either affectionately or not, with a term that outside of the community would be considered derogatory. Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 5 10:38:59 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:38:59 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <001701c700ee$1e606a00$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <000001c700f0$8678c040$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> > -----Original Message----- > ...and the n****** word is a word used by blacks to address each other. > How > long do you think that I'd last on the air if I uttered that? The last time that I checked Gay, lesbian, and transgendered were the favored and accepted terms. I hear lesbian used in the media regularly. I do not hear the N word used. There are lots of derogatory terms for homosexuals that are similar to the one that you mentioned. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 5 12:50:48 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:50:48 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> I don't think lesbian is a term that is only used by members of the homosexual community. It is an acceptable word. I would also feel differently about this if the person mentioned was not a candidate for office and/or was not openly gay. If the host had attacked a private or even semi-private person and/or outed someone that would be different to me. By the way -- the Green Party candidate in Maine is long time radio personality Pat Lamarche. She has been on a number of stations as Jenny Judge and used to be the liberal co-host of the morning talk show on WGAN. She left that job after being arrested for driving drunk. She resigned without telling her employer why and then tried to unresign when her arrest came out. In this race, she is expected to place fourth with between 5 and 9 percent of the vote. Another candidate in the Maine race, Phillip Napier was shot by police and did prison time a few years ago due to the same incident. He was included in 2 of the 4 televised debates and some people wonder why he was included in any of the debates for reasons such as those suggested by Depetro. Napier is expected to get 1 percent of the vote or less. In the interest of full disclosure -- I am legal counsel for the campaign of Chandler Woodcock, the Republican nominee in the race. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Nov 5 13:15:26 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:15:26 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <17742.10814.979664.749593@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > He was included in 2 of the 4 televised debates and some people > wonder why he was included in any of the debates for reasons such as > those suggested by Depetro. I wonder, on the other hand, why the complainers think it's legitimate to have a "debate" that doesn't involve all the candidates on the ballot. A couple of weeks ago, I heard a lot of griping about the presence of Ross and Mihos in the Mass. gubernatorial debates. It would be one thing if there were a dozen minor-party candidates on the ballot (as in the Presidential race most leap years), but with only four candidates there should be no issues letting them all be heard. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Nov 5 11:48:16 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:48:16 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: At 8:43 AM -0500 11/5/06, Daniel Billings wrote: > >Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. It's how the term was used that's the issue here. > >> We don't make fun of people's personal appearance..... > >Have you watched the Daily Show? They do it all the time. > The Daily Show is a comedy show, it's on a channel called Comedy Central. While The Daily Show often does make political points using at times some rather crude comedy, I don't think WRKO wants to be doing the same kind of schtick. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 5 12:34:27 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:34:27 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Dan B wrote-- >Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. Don A said and Dan B replied: > > > We don't make fun of people's personal appearance..... > >Have you watched the Daily Show? They do it all the time. > Dan and I don't always agree, but we are absolutey together on this one-- I don't know what the standard is. I've heard Howie Carr and Jay Severin on the right and Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy on the left doing all sorts of what sounds to me like name-calling. Yet some people get fired (DePetro) some get warned and suspended (Dennis and Callahan) and some get absolutely nothing done to them no matter how outrageous they are-- Rush Limbaugh's comments about Michael J. Fox offended many of us, and I've heard a number of hosts use words like "bitch" or "ass" or even "scumbag" on the air, but nothing happened. So what is the standard and why won't somebody finally tell us what is and is not acceptable? Paul Sullivan in the Globe today (Eileen McNamara's column, I believe) said he too thinks this was more about other things DePetro had done. But no kidding, as a consultant and a fan of talk radio, I wish I had some idea about what is and is not acceptable. As for certain words being used by the people themselves, that is an interesting question. It seems to be okay if the people themselves are doing it, but perceived as an insult when outsiders do it. That is, black people may call each other "niggah" but that doesn't mean a white host should call black people by that term. Italians may make mafia jokes or Irish make drunk jokes, or whatever. There are indeed gay people who have made 'sissy' jokes. But it seems to be a way of taking the slurs and re-claiming them, or by making fun of these slurs, some sociologists have suggested that it promotes group cohesiveness-- "they say this about us, but we are able to joke about it, so it doesn't hurt as much." Interestingly, when I hear a Jew joke, not an ethic joke but one that makes fun of stereotypes about Jews, I don't find it empowering or funny-- I find it offensive and annoying. But that's just me, perhaps. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 13:00:10 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061105180010.80331.qmail@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Daniel Billings wrote: > In the interest of full disclosure -- I am legal counsel for the > campaign of > Chandler Woodcock, the Republican nominee in the race. Oh, Dan, how you have risen up the ladder. Remember us little people when you go to Washington. Back on-topic ... In the case of Ross, I don't think you could've invited Christy Mihos -- I think he would've been the Republican nominee had he stayed in the party -- without inviting Ross, as the Greens are a relatively respectable and well-recognized minor party. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Nov 5 14:09:43 2006 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:09:43 +0000 Subject: DePetro fired... Message-ID: <110520061909.7537.454E36F7000893D200001D712216551406089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Such gnashing of teeth. And over a talk program -- nothing more than the original reality show, created for entertainment and staged for entertainment by people who may or may not actually believe what they're saying. Take heed: 1. Offensive is whatever the licensee decides it is. 2. When one has poor ratings, one has little economic viability. 1 + 2 = down the stairs. Pretty simple. It's not about speech, civility, fairness, corporate image, public policy, lesbians being offended or what somebody else might have said that some consider offensive. Talk shows are like sitcoms. There are characters, roles, research and scripts. It's about making money. Must be a few raised eyebrows at AFTRA these days. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 13:58:10 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:58:10 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <17742.10814.979664.749593@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <034f01c7010e$3076a400$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Garrett Wollman" > I wonder, on the other hand, why the complainers think it's legitimate > to have a "debate" that doesn't involve all the candidates on the > ballot. They are put together and hosted by private groups (AARP, Etc.)...not by the government. If my group was say, the "NRA" and hosting a debate...and 2 candidates were for banning ALL guns (and two were not). I would think my membership is deciding between the two that would not. Would it make sense to invite the 2 that have no chance of winning my constitutants votes? Whoever is hosting the event has a right to decide who they want to invite. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 13:56:55 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:56:55 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <034e01c7010e$2df131a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. "Black" is a term used by people of color...however it can be used as a Zing, i.e..."Tell that black guy to go home". Again, it goes to intent. > > We don't make fun of people's personal appearance..... > > Have you watched the Daily Show? They do it all the time. Are you equating the Daily Show with talkradio discussing a debate? The whole "raison d'etre" of the Daily show is to poke fun at people....at any cost. > The last time that I checked Gay, lesbian, and transgendered were the > favored and accepted terms. I hear lesbian used in the media > regularly. I do not hear the N word used. You will hear (mostly) young black men using it to refer to each other. > The last time that I checked Gay, lesbian, and transgendered were the > favored and accepted terms. I hear lesbian used in the media > regularly. I do not hear the N word used. You will also hear gay men sometimes use the word "fag" to describe themselves and each other somewhat affectionately. Again, it goes to intent. Depetro's comments were meant to reduce Grace Ross to two lines about her physicality. We are all more than simply our big noses, bald heads or big boobs...especially in the context of a debate for Governor. And an effort to reduce someone's status...based on a physical characteristic has no place in debating political issues. Again, this is WRKO's judgement to make...as to what type of radio station they want to be (or become). From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 14:01:25 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:01:25 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <035001c7010e$309fd6e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > >Gay, lesbian, and transgendered are the terms used by homosexuals. > > It's how the term was used that's the issue here. > > >> We don't make fun of people's personal appearance..... > > > >Have you watched the Daily Show? They do it all the time. > > > > The Daily Show is a comedy show, it's on a channel called Comedy > Central! And it used to be on (still is?) following a show that features puppets making prank phone calls! Whats more interesting is that you would put them on a similar plane. (Is the rest of the public is doing the same...equating ABC, Fox News, Leno's monologue and Comedy Central as equals!) From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 5 14:50:49 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:50:49 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c70113$b182e360$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> The Daily Show is a comedy show, but it has more impact on politics than most talk shows, IMO. > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Larry Weil > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:48 AM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: RE: depetro comments > > The Daily Show is a comedy show, it's on a channel called Comedy > Central. While The Daily Show often does make political points using > at times some rather crude comedy, I don't think WRKO wants to be > doing the same kind of schtick. From mamros@MIT.EDU Sun Nov 5 15:15:02 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:15:02 -0500 Subject: DePetro fired... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:09:43 GMT." <110520061909.7537.454E36F7000893D200001D712216551406089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200611052015.kA5KF2aC020148@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> >1. Offensive is whatever the licensee decides it is. > >2. When one has poor ratings, one has little economic viability. > >1 + 2 = down the stairs. Exactly. I'd also add a little bit to item number 1: 1.a. Offensive is also whatever the sponsors decide it is. It wouldn't be too surprising if the firing was a direct result of an angry phone call from one of RKO's advertisers, would it? Particularly with the addition of item number 2 above. (If Howie Carr had been the one saying it, I doubt he'd be fired for it.) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From markwats@comcast.net Sun Nov 5 14:41:09 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:41:09 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <17742.10814.979664.749593@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001601c70112$5a58b2f0$9447da18@Mark> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I wonder, on the other hand, why the complainers think it's >legitimate to > have a "debate" that doesn't involve all the >candidates on the ballot. Last weekend, WSBK Channel 38 aired a MA Lt. Governor candidate's debate, only inviting the Democrat & Republican candidates to appear on the 30 minute forum aired during Jon Keller's weekly Channel 38 program and taped 2 days prior to airing. Martina Robinson, the Green Party's Lt.Governor candidate, asked a court to issue an injunction to force station owner CBS to include herself and the Independent candidate John Sullivan in the forum. The reason given by CBS for the exclusion of Robinson & Sullivan was time constraints, it's only a 30 minute program and that having only the 2 major party hopefuls debate would better serve viewers. If I recall reading correctly, Robinson's lawyer also used a discrimination claim in the court filing, saying that Robinson was excluded because she suffers from a disability that has left her confined to a wheelchair & with a speech impediment. The court refused to grant the injunction and the debate was taped and aired as scheduled. Also of note, this past week WCVB Channel 5 anchor Natalie Jacobson aired sit down interviews taped in the homes of the Democrat & Republican gubernatorial candidates, the 2 minor-party candidates weren't interviewed. I wonder why the minor party candidates didn't publically complain about Natalie not coming to their homes. The reality is most media outlets give little to no coverage to the minor party candidates on a daily basis. Grace Ross got some screen time and press coverage only to get her reaction to John DePetro's comments about her. Mark Watson From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 14:37:33 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:37:33 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net><000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <040f01c70111$e00a6d40$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Dan and I don't always agree, but we are absolutey together on this > one-- I don't know what the standard is. Well, you know WRKO has a "zero tolerance" policy.... ;-) > I've heard Howie Carr and > Jay Severin on the right and Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy on the left > doing all sorts of what sounds to me like name-calling. Yet some > people get fired (DePetro) some get warned and suspended (Dennis and > Callahan) and some get absolutely nothing done to them no matter how > outrageous they are-- It usually has to do with ratings. Zero tolerance is a funny thing. If you have ratings (i.e..Howie Carr, D&C, etc ) the level of 'zero tolerance' is different than for those that do not (Depetro). ;-) From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Nov 5 15:14:40 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:14:40 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <17742.10814.979664.749593@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200611052045.kA5KjmhJ078628@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> But even if there were a dozen candidates, why limit any of them? If programmers are concerned about too many candidates in one debate, have two debates on recurring evenings or two, one hour debates, with X amount of candidates each hour. There are very easy solutions to these kinds of issues if people think creatively. And why the debates always limited to just an hour? And why are there only 1 minute responses? That is what I find difficult to understand. While I understand we live in a sound-bite society, voting is a civic duty and airing debates with all the candidates who are on the ballot, a public service. You can't really begin to learn much about any of the candidates until you've had the chance to really hear what they say and mean. Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:15 PM To: Daniel Billings Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: depetro comments < said: > He was included in 2 of the 4 televised debates and some people wonder > why he was included in any of the debates for reasons such as those > suggested by Depetro. I wonder, on the other hand, why the complainers think it's legitimate to have a "debate" that doesn't involve all the candidates on the ballot. A couple of weeks ago, I heard a lot of griping about the presence of Ross and Mihos in the Mass. gubernatorial debates. It would be one thing if there were a dozen minor-party candidates on the ballot (as in the Presidential race most leap years), but with only four candidates there should be no issues letting them all be heard. -GAWollman From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Nov 5 15:26:45 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:26:45 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <040f01c70111$e00a6d40$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200611052058.kA5Kwpw4078796@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Another reason could be contracts: Dipetro could have been an Entercomm employee whereas I would bet anything that Howie Carr is a freelancer or has some sort of syndication contract. This would also explain why Michael Savage's lunacy is tolerated. But then, how do you explain some of Scotto's comments? Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A. Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:38 PM To: Daniel Billings; bri@bostonradio.org; Donna Halper Subject: Re: depetro comments It usually has to do with ratings. Zero tolerance is a funny thing. If you have ratings (i.e..Howie Carr, D&C, etc ) the level of 'zero tolerance' is different than for those that do not (Depetro). ;-) From attychase@comcast.net Sun Nov 5 16:58:00 2006 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 16:58:00 -0500 Subject: Debates / Equal Time References: Message-ID: <000501c70125$7669a040$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> There are those who would say the major parties created the FCC's equal time rule (which I think is still in effect as opposed to the Fairness Doctrine) to prevent broadcast stations from giving time to minor candidates knowing full well the incumbency would always get news coverage far in excess of the fringe candidates. See http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equaltimeru.htm I agree with Tony (below) however I think the deck is stacked against such an idea. It is not so stacked in other countries. > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:14:40 -0500 > From: "radiotony" > Subject: RE: depetro comments > To: > Message-ID: <200611052045.kA5KjmhJ078628@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > But even if there were a dozen candidates, why limit any of them? If > programmers are concerned about too many candidates in one debate, have > two > debates on recurring evenings or two, one hour debates, with X amount of > candidates each hour. > There are very easy solutions to these kinds of issues if people think > creatively. > And why the debates always limited to just an hour? And why are there only > 1 > minute responses? That is what I find difficult to understand. > While I understand we live in a sound-bite society, voting is a civic duty > and airing debates with all the candidates who are on the ballot, a public > service. > You can't really begin to learn much about any of the candidates until > you've had the chance to really hear what they say and mean. > > Best, > Tony > > Anthony Schinella > Station Manager/Program Director > WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. > Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation > Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 5 20:57:48 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:57:48 -0500 Subject: Debates / Equal Time In-Reply-To: <000501c70125$7669a040$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <000001c70146$f8f59110$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> WGAN had officeholders running for re-election serving as co-hosts on talks shows as late as mid-September of this year. No equal time for their opponents. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Nov 5 21:22:39 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:22:39 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000001c70102$f027efe0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: At 12:50 PM -0500 11/5/06, Daniel Billings wrote: >I don't think lesbian is a term that is only used by members of the >homosexual community. It is an acceptable word. > Yes, it's an acceptable word. Again, it's how it was used that's the problem. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 5 22:40:38 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 22:40:38 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611051940g516ff45m8090b13c2c595b6a@mail.gmail.com> >>when I hear a Jew joke, not an ethic joke but one that makes fun of stereotypes about Jews, I don't find it empowering or funny-- I find it offensive and annoying. I take it you won't be seeing that Borat movie, then. Sascha Baron Cohen, who is Jewish, has been known to do very anti-Semitic bits but he does them to kind of point out anti-Semitism and show how foolish it is. Randy Newman did the same thing in the song Short People, which made fun of a bigot who felt that short-statured individuals "have no reason to live". During the song's bridge, the background singers say, "Short people are just the same as you and I" and Newman's _character_ comes out and says, "The fools such as I". He admits he's being a fool. But then he just winds up going back to his bigotry--someone tried to point out his views, and he didn't listen. "Borat" is apparently doing the same. I have heard it wasn't so much what DePetro said but the way in which he said it... thing....By the way, Michael Graham (WTKK) pointed out on Friday night that Ross has attended rallies that praise anti-Semitism and suggested that might be a better reason not to vote for her. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 5 22:53:37 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 22:53:37 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611051940g516ff45m8090b13c2c595b6a@mail.gmail.com > References: <03a201c700a2$daa69280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <000101c700e0$6940b0b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <20061105173432.96FD244C031@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611051940g516ff45m8090b13c2c595b6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061106035343.7BE1A44C01A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Bob N wrote-- >I take it you won't be seeing that Borat movie, then. Sascha Baron >Cohen, who is >Jewish, has been known to do very anti-Semitic bits but he does them >to kind of >point out anti-Semitism and show how foolish it is. Yup, I understand your point. But I am only talking about how such jokes make me feel-- for centuries, these sorts of "jokes" were taken seriously by all too many people. I absolutely enjoy good satire, whether on the Daily Show or in a Weird Al song or wherever else. I was merely saying that for me, "Jew jokes" still make me uncomfortable. Probably has to do with my being beaten up and called a Christ-killer when I was about 9 or 10. That said, let's put this discussion aside. The DePetro issue is not about me-- it's about what the standard for jocks is these days, and what is or is not "too offensive" for a market. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 6 09:43:59 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:43:59 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <20061106035343.7BE1A44C01A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000901c701b1$ffc94c50$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> I was merely saying that > for me, "Jew jokes" still make me uncomfortable. Probably > has to do with my being beaten up and called a Christ-killer > when I was about 9 or 10. Wow. I had no idea that you were that old. How was the weather? :-) From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 6 09:59:20 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:59:20 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000901c701b1$ffc94c50$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <000701c701b4$40dfd360$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Sorry; not funny! Are you competing for the John Kerry award for insensitivity? ! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Donna Halper'" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: RE: depetro comments > I was merely saying that > > for me, "Jew jokes" still make me uncomfortable. Probably > > has to do with my being beaten up and called a Christ-killer > > when I was about 9 or 10. > > Wow. I had no idea that you were that old. How was the weather? :-) > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 6 10:07:23 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:07:23 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000701c701b4$40dfd360$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000d01c701b5$445dba10$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> > Sorry; not funny! Are you competing for the John Kerry award > for insensitivity? ! > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > Insensitive? You just compared me to a Democrat! If the remark offended, my apology. It was meant to put a lighter side to the comment. There was certainly no anti-semitism or ill-will for Donna meant. When we can't smile at ourselves, we are in deep trouble. Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From mamros@MIT.EDU Mon Nov 6 10:31:27 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:31:27 -0500 Subject: Debates / Equal Time In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:58:00 EST." <000501c70125$7669a040$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <200611061531.kA6FVRrh017701@all-night-tool.mit.edu> >There are those who would say the major parties created the FCC's equal time >rule (which I think is still in effect as opposed to the Fairness Doctrine) >to prevent broadcast stations from giving time to minor candidates knowing >full well the incumbency would always get news coverage far in excess of the >fringe candidates. [...] So far as I know, the Equal Time rule is still on the books. However, a notable part of that law makes a specific exemption for "newscast(s), news interview(s), news documentar(ies), on-the-spot coverage of news events or panel discussion(s)". Nowadays, this is interpreted so broadly that a show like "Entertainment Tonight" is considered a bona-fide newscast (!), so for all intents and purposes the law has no teeth. Even if there was a situation where it could be enforced, the only way it would happen would be if an opposing candidate were to call it out. Today's FCC isn't going to go out of its way to look for violations of the rule on its own. And I think that, with the exemption above being interpreted so broadly, most candidates' staffs have pretty much given up on the concept of equal time, if they even know the law exists in the first place. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 6 09:43:59 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:43:59 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <20061106035343.7BE1A44C01A@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000901c701b1$ffc94c50$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> I was merely saying that > for me, "Jew jokes" still make me uncomfortable. Probably > has to do with my being beaten up and called a Christ-killer > when I was about 9 or 10. Wow. I had no idea that you were that old. How was the weather? :-) From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 6 11:33:34 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:33:34 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000d01c701b5$445dba10$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <000b01c701c1$71fa6660$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Jews NEVER smile over ANY use of the Christ-killer epithet. Learn that! And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use the epithet again! There is NO WAY we can take it in jest! If anything, we find it more offensive than Blacks find the N word. As has been pointed out here, that word is sometimes acceptable when used among Black people. Christ-killer is just never acceptable to Jews no matter who uses it. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'Donna Halper'" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: RE: depetro comments > > Sorry; not funny! Are you competing for the John Kerry award > > for insensitivity? ! > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > Insensitive? You just compared me to a Democrat! > > If the remark offended, my apology. It was meant to put a lighter side to > the comment. There was certainly no anti-semitism or ill-will for Donna > meant. > > When we can't smile at ourselves, we are in deep trouble. > > Brian T Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > +1-978-538-7575Voice > +1-978-538-7550 Fax > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 6 12:17:22 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:17:22 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000b01c701c1$71fa6660$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000601c701c7$6d7ee1a0$6400a8c0@BrianVaio> > Jews NEVER smile over ANY use of the Christ-killer epithet. > Learn that! And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use the epithet again! > There is NO WAY we can take it in jest! If anything, we find > it more offensive than Blacks find the N word. As has been > pointed out here, that word is sometimes acceptable when used > among Black people. Christ-killer is just never acceptable to > Jews no matter who uses it. > With all due respect, get over it. I did not imply that Donna was a "Christ-killer" or any other anti-semitic remark. The comment was to jokingly imply that she wasn't even old enough to be around to do it. Hypersensitivity is one thing. This has carried it to an exteme. I have no predisposed ill-will or bias against any ethnic group. I do develop a bias to an individual tries to pin one on me, i.e. "you're just saying that because I'm a (fill in the black) or "you wouldn't do that if I was (white/middleaged/Christian etc). Then I've got a bone to pick with you. Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Nov 6 12:22:07 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <000601c701c7$6d7ee1a0$6400a8c0@BrianVaio> References: <000b01c701c1$71fa6660$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <000601c701c7$6d7ee1a0$6400a8c0@BrianVaio> Message-ID: <17743.28479.89536.249972@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Let us please get back on the subject of radio.... -GAWollman From m1bz@hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 12:41:39 2006 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:41:39 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <17743.28479.89536.249972@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I second Garrett's motion. >From: Garrett Wollman >To: >Subject: RE: depetro comments >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:22:07 -0500 > >Let us please get back on the subject of radio.... > >-GAWollman > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more?then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Nov 6 13:34:53 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:34:53 -0500 Subject: one final comment In-Reply-To: <200611061531.kA6FVRrh017701@all-night-tool.mit.edu> References: <200611061531.kA6FVRrh017701@all-night-tool.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20061106183501.C1EC3C389@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> If this conversation about what is and is not permissible on the air can resume, I'm very interested in knowing from PDs and announcers on the list what if any guidance they have been given about what they can say and what they can't say. I'm not gonna participate much today-- my husband's dad just died early this morning, after a long battle with cancer. If any of you nice folks wanna make a donation in his memory to the American Cancer Society, his name was Frank Jacobik. (My husband is Jon Jacobik, and some of you have met him...) I'll be back tomorrow, and thanks. From paul@derrynh.net Mon Nov 6 14:21:29 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:21:29 -0500 Subject: depetro comments In-Reply-To: <17743.28479.89536.249972@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00da01c701d8$c29cad00$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Radio and Politics, brethren forever locked in an embrace... Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:22 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: depetro comments Let us please get back on the subject of radio.... -GAWollman From attychase@comcast.net Mon Nov 6 14:27:07 2006 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: Insensitivity and Hurtfulness / More on Debates and Equal Time References: Message-ID: <002701c701d9$8d590160$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> On the subject of who can be the most insensitive or hurtful: I still can't listen to that short people song without getting extremely mad at Newman or whoever is performing it. I can't tell if that is the way Newman himself really feels or it was a parody. From what I see when he performs it he may actually believe it, I know all the people that believe it get a big kick out of it. My experience is that a lot of tall people are bigots, usurpers and bullies. (For that matter so aren't a lot of short people although usually they need to get into a group to carry it off. (Hitler, 5' 8", Stalin, 5' 4", MaoTse-tung, 5'6", Pol Pot ?) > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 22:40:38 -0500 > From: "Bob Nelson" > Subject: Re: depetro comments > To: "Donna Halper" , > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Message-ID: > <1fbbbced0611051940g516ff45m8090b13c2c595b6a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Randy Newman did the same thing in the song Short People, which made fun > of > a bigot who felt that short-statured individuals "have no reason to > live". During the > song's bridge, the background singers say, "Short people are just the same > as you and I" and Newman's _character_ comes out and says, "The fools such > as I". He admits he's being a fool. But then he just winds up going > back to his bigotry--someone tried to point out his views, and he > didn't listen. "Borat" is apparently doing the same. With respect to the debate issue: When dealing with leaving someone out a debate you get into the equal time area. (I suppose you could hold a debate with just two candidates if you gave the left out one time later on.) The usual way to leave someone out is to have someone else sponsor it and cover it as a bona fide news event. The equal time rule applies to all time given to candidates, paid or not. If a station gives one candidate time then it must give similar time to the other. If however it sells the time (ads), then it must make available for purchase equal time. There is also a provision dealing with the price of those ads. This is what I said in my message. See http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equaltimeru.htm which I cited below as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:31:27 -0500 > From: Shawn Mamros > Subject: Re: Debates / Equal Time > To: "Robert S Chase" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Message-ID: <200611061531.kA6FVRrh017701@all-night-tool.mit.edu> > >>There are those who would say the major parties created the FCC's equal >>time >>rule (which I think is still in effect as opposed to the Fairness >>Doctrine) >>to prevent broadcast stations from giving time to minor candidates knowing >>full well the incumbency would always get news coverage far in excess of >>the >>fringe candidates. [...] > > So far as I know, the Equal Time rule is still on the books. However, > a notable part of that law makes a specific exemption for "newscast(s), > news interview(s), news documentar(ies), on-the-spot coverage of news > events or panel discussion(s)". Nowadays, this is interpreted so broadly > that a show like "Entertainment Tonight" is considered a bona-fide > newscast (!), so for all intents and purposes the law has no teeth. > > Even if there was a situation where it could be enforced, the only > way it would happen would be if an opposing candidate were to call > it out. Today's FCC isn't going to go out of its way to look for > violations of the rule on its own. And I think that, with the > exemption above being interpreted so broadly, most candidates' > staffs have pretty much given up on the concept of equal time, > if they even know the law exists in the first place. > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 6 19:04:24 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:04:24 -0500 Subject: depetro comments References: <000d01c701b5$445dba10$6b0000c0@BrianVaio> <000b01c701c1$71fa6660$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <006901c70200$492d2760$109c4c0c@oemcomputer> I understand your passion, but who appointed you spokesman for an entire people? I've used it in "evil grin"-type humor among people, fellow Jews and non-Jews, who know me, and can take it from those same people as well. Maybe if I had been beaten up over it at some time in my 51 years, I'd feel differently, but not having been, I remain comfortable with the mock self-deprecation I occasionally employ. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Strassberg To: Brian Vita ; 'Donna Halper' ; 'Bob Nelson' ; Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: depetro comments > Jews NEVER smile over ANY use of the Christ-killer epithet. Learn that! And > NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use the epithet again! There is NO WAY we can take it in > jest! If anything, we find it more offensive than Blacks find the N word. As > has been pointed out here, that word is sometimes acceptable when used among > Black people. Christ-killer is just never acceptable to Jews no matter who > uses it. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'Donna Halper'" > ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:07 AM > Subject: RE: depetro comments > > > > > Sorry; not funny! Are you competing for the John Kerry award > > > for insensitivity? ! > > > > > > -- > > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > > Insensitive? You just compared me to a Democrat! > > > > If the remark offended, my apology. It was meant to put a lighter side to > > the comment. There was certainly no anti-semitism or ill-will for Donna > > meant. > > > > When we can't smile at ourselves, we are in deep trouble. > > > > Brian T Vita, President > > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > > +1-978-538-7575Voice > > +1-978-538-7550 Fax > > > > > > > > > From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 7 08:40:12 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:40:12 -0500 Subject: one final comment References: <200611061531.kA6FVRrh017701@all-night-tool.mit.edu> <20061106183501.C1EC3C389@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <003f01c70272$4121f420$2da1e904@your6jnhhu0520> Donna, First, my condolences on the death of your father-in-law. Second, as a Program Director for more than ten years, and a talk show host and producer for even longer, I never had a meeting with anyone in the corporate chain about the issue of what can or cannot be said on the air. During my time with Clear Channel, after several highly publicized problems, the company issued a set of standards (just tightening up standards that were already in existence). Prior to that I simply had to go on my professional experience, which centered around my ability to understand my community's standards and the image of my radio station. As a News/Talk PD, I always thought that I should have a stricter standard than, say, my counterparts at the AOR station. Clearly, what were once pretty bright lines when I got into the business in 1981 have faded considerably over time. Were the 'caller abortions' that Rush was doing early in his career in good taste? Probably not, but most managers hung on and took the heat and were rewarded when his show achieved ratings and revenue success. That is just one example of a talk host who may have crossed the line but got away with it. Still, while a bit like that might offend some people, it does not necessarily offend a particular interest group that might be capable of causing real financial problems for a radio station. This, I think, is the key. Comments directed at a politically or economically powerful interest group in your community, or comments that offend a wide cross-section of your audience, are cause for alarm. It does not necessarily mean that you dump the host. If you think the host is a potential ratings winner, you're generally going to stick with him/her, unless the comments rise to the level of a headache you no longer want to endure. I think this was, in part, the case with John DePetro. There were almost certainly some things happening behind the scenes that we have not heard about that pushed him close to the edge. He merely gave them an excuse to push him off. The bottom line? Like obscenity, objectionable speech that can lead to termination probably cannot be defined, but when my behind is in the PD or GM's chair, I'll know it when I hear it. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: one final comment > If this conversation about what is and is not permissible on the air can > resume, I'm very interested in knowing from PDs and announcers on the list > what if any guidance they have been given about what they can say and what > they can't say. > > I'm not gonna participate much today-- my husband's dad just died early > this morning, after a long battle with cancer. If any of you nice folks > wanna make a donation in his memory to the American Cancer Society, his > name was Frank Jacobik. (My husband is Jon Jacobik, and some of you have > met him...) I'll be back tomorrow, and thanks. > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 12:59:41 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:59:41 -0500 Subject: Insensitivity and Hurtfulness / More on Debates and Equal > Time Message-ID: > > From: "Robert S Chase" > To: > Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:27:07 -0500 > Subject: Insensitivity and Hurtfulness / More on Debates and > Equal Time > > On the subject of who can be the most insensitive or hurtful: > > I still can't listen to that short people song without getting > extremely mad at Newman or whoever is performing it. I can't > tell if that is the way Newman himself really feels or it was > a parody. Unfortunately, that was Newman's only Top 40 hit (though he had written many more that had been recorded by others), so for many people who did not already know about him from his many previous albums, "Short People" had been their first and only exposure to him and his acerbic style of parody and satire, which he used to that effect to often paint ridiculous musical pictures of bigots, racists, and other people he considered to be narrow-minded and needed to be put down, by performing songs in their character. If you go into some of the other tracks on his albums, he has similar satirical put-downs of racists, bigots, warmongering politicians, etc... all sung in the first person, as if he were the portraying the person he was satirizing. When he took on those roles in his music, he was very much like a musical version of Carroll O'Connor's portrayal of fictitious (but very much like certain people I knew) Archie Bunker on "All In The Family". Did people think that Mr. O'Connor actually may have believed the positions and epithets that were espoused by his character? Playing a named character on a television show created a distinct separation between O'Connor himself and the character he portrayed. The satire was less obvious with Newman singing songs he had written under his own name. Perhaps that may have been part of his approach, to play a musical character that was in people's faces as if he may have really meant what he was parodying, to drive home the effect and the reality that there really are people who think in such narrow-minded ways, and that such thought should not be condoned or tolerated. Anyone who has gone deeper into his catalogue or has heard an interview with him would know that, but most people only know him for "Short People" and think that he's a bigot who came out of nowhere and had meant what he was singing on that one hit. > From what I see when he performs it he may actually believe it, > I know all the people that believe it get a big kick out of it. He doesn't believe it, and he is lampooning people who do. It's an unfortunate by-product that people who actually do identify with it applaud it for the wrong reason. > My experience is that a lot of tall people are bigots, usurpers > and bullies. (For that matter so aren't a lot of short people > although usually they need to get into a group to carry it off. Not necessarily true. I've seen and met "bullies" of all heights, especially in business. One of the most abusive radio station managers I had ever encountered was not at all a tall person. EP From hishaun@hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 20:22:08 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:22:08 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist Message-ID: The issue of free speech on commercial radio goes deeper than the ability of some right-wing jerk to pick on overweight sexual minorities. Given the close ties between monopoly-controled media and its major advertisers, its probably not surprising that this story is sinking into the memory hole. Here's the link if you've missed it. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2983 Josh Silver and Bob McChesney comment: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/air-americas-abc-blackli_b_33123.html _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more?then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 7 13:50:55 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:50:55 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4550D58F.9030702@fybush.com> Shaun Hayes wrote: > The issue of free speech on commercial radio goes deeper than the > ability of some right-wing jerk to pick on overweight sexual minorities. > > Given the close ties between monopoly-controled media and > its major advertisers, its probably not surprising that this story is > sinking > into the memory hole. Here's the link if you've missed it. It's sinking into the memory hole because it's a non-story. Any of us who have ever worked at any affiliate of a major network know that there are similar lists with similar major advertisers for pretty much ANY syndicated political talk show, whether it be Rush or Franken. Just listen to the caliber of ads that run on Rush's show if you don't believe me - dietary supplements, shady investment scams. Not a blue-chip advertiser in the bunch. s From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Nov 7 13:51:28 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:51:28 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17744.54704.497921.856395@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The issue of free speech on commercial radio goes deeper than the > ability of some right-wing jerk to pick on overweight sexual minorities. What issue of free speech on commercial radio? Freedom of speech belongs to those who hire their own hall. -GAWollman From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Nov 7 13:53:26 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:53:26 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist In-Reply-To: <4550D58F.9030702@fybush.com> References: <4550D58F.9030702@fybush.com> Message-ID: <17744.54822.114822.543920@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's sinking into the memory hole because it's a non-story. Any of us > who have ever worked at any affiliate of a major network know that there > are similar lists with similar major advertisers for pretty much ANY > syndicated political talk show, whether it be Rush or Franken. ...and so the traffic department earn their salaries. -GAWollman From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 13:55:22 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:55:22 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist References: Message-ID: <06cc01c7029e$4e761bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> I've seen this FAIR story before. However, this is nothing new. There is a reason this story is sinking into the memory hole.....because it's not news. There have always been advertisers who have preferred not to be in any controversial programming. There are advertisers and agencies who have a "Country" ban...or a "Black radio" ban. Some don't want to be on Stern, etc. The memo (if I understand this situation correctly) in that is referenced is for ABC stations that might be picking up an AA show. And advertisers who are buying ABC radio, want their ads running in ABC programs, not AA programs. Unless of course you think this is part of Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy". ;-) D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Hayes" To: <> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist The issue of free speech on commercial radio goes deeper than the ability of some right-wing jerk to pick on overweight sexual minorities. Given the close ties between monopoly-controled media and its major advertisers, its probably not surprising that this story is sinking into the memory hole. Here's the link if you've missed it. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2983 Josh Silver and Bob McChesney comment: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/air-americas-abc-blackli_b_33123.html _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more?then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From rogerkola@aol.com Tue Nov 7 14:19:23 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:19:23 -0500 Subject: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" Message-ID: <001701c702a1$a2f67700$0200a8c0@Tanguray> through their website wcrnradio.com and on the air heard during 9-11A Barry Armstrong, a musical "tease" for "upcoming changes." Songs include the words "spring, springtime, Boston and home" Did I miss something? Roger WA1KAT From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 7 17:02:49 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:02:49 -0500 Subject: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" References: <001701c702a1$a2f67700$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <001701c702b8$7ad89200$19eefea9@satpro4600> My latest theory is that WCRN will move its main studios (such as they are) and offices to Boston in the spring of 2007. If I'm right, whoop-te-doo! When/if, the night power increase to 50 kW takes place, WCRN *might* be able to change its CoL to Framingham. If so, whoop-te-doo again! Would the studio move shorten the commute for AM-drive host Peter Blute? Does somebody on this list know where he lives? The office move would probably shorten the commute for members of the Carberry family--if any of them actually spends time in the office. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" > through their website wcrnradio.com and on the air heard during 9-11A Barry > Armstrong, a musical "tease" for "upcoming changes." > > Songs include the words "spring, springtime, Boston and home" > > Did I miss something? > > Roger > WA1KAT > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Nov 7 17:44:58 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:44:58 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist In-Reply-To: <06cc01c7029e$4e761bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <06cc01c7029e$4e761bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061107224505.34F4B44D088@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Don wrote-- > >Unless of course you think this is part of Hillary's "vast right-wing >conspiracy". Well actually, some of us do. I am working on an article about this, and based on what I am finding, there are a number of sponsors who when they DO advertise on a progressive station, they suddenly start getting harrassing phone-calls from allegedly "outraged citizens" saying that if the ads are not pulled immediately, they will never patronize that store or buy that product. I'd say it's just coincidence, but the "outraged citizens" all say basically the same thing, as if reading from a script, and they seem more like a pressure group than some spontaneous listeners who sincerely object to a certain talk show. I think there really ARE some right wing folks who don't want progressive talk to succeed. I am not saying there is a vast conspiracy, nor am I saying all right wing folks are opposed to progressive talk, but what I am hearing from owners in a number of cities seems to indicate there is something going on to suppress or discourage advertisers, even in cities where the format is getting good numbers. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 7 18:49:41 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:49:41 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist In-Reply-To: <20061107224505.34F4B44D088@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <06cc01c7029e$4e761bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4550D545.7599.5314BE@localhost> On 7 Nov 2006 at 17:44, Donna Halper wrote: > Well actually, some of us do. I am working on an article about this, > and based on what I am finding, there are a number of sponsors who > when they DO advertise on a progressive station, they suddenly start > getting harrassing phone-calls from allegedly "outraged citizens" > saying that if the ads are not pulled immediately, they will never > patronize that store or buy that product. I'd say it's just > coincidence, but the "outraged citizens" all say basically the same > thing, as if reading from a script, and they seem more like a pressure > group than some spontaneous listeners who sincerely object to a > certain talk show. What would "concerned citizens" be doing listening to shows they object to, anyway? And, while I understand private for-profit corporations having an interest in keeping their advertising off certain stations, why are two government agencies, the Postal Service and the US Navy, on the list to not be on Air America stations? And I can understand why the American Heart Association, a non-profit charity, is on the list, as a 501(c)(3) corporation that should not be involved in politics, but if so, I hope they are also on similar lists to avoid conservative talk stations. If not, their 501(c)(3) could be in jeopardy. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Nov 7 19:10:40 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:10:40 -0500 Subject: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist Message-ID: <20061108001040.EA7ED1CE30E@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A." To: "Shaun Hayes" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Air America on ABC Ad Blacklist Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:55:22 -0500 I've seen this FAIR story before. However, this is nothing new. There is a reason this story is sinking into the memory hole.....because it's not news. There have always been advertisers who have preferred not to be in any controversial programming. There are advertisers and agencies who have a "Country" ban...or a "Black radio" ban. Some don't want to be on Stern, etc. The memo (if I understand this situation correctly) in that is referenced is for ABC stations that might be picking up an AA show. And advertisers who are buying ABC radio, want their ads running in ABC programs, not AA programs. Unless of course you think this is part of Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy". ;-) D A posting at bostonsprogresivetalk.com suggests that the ban may refer NOT to shows on AirAmerica Radio that are broadcast on ABC affiliates, but to newscasts that are run on AirAmerica affiliates. AirAmerica sends down a rather short TOH newscast so some stations may be running a version of ABC Network news, and the aformentioned firms are indicating they don't want their sports running there. This seems short-sighted: some shows on AAR are reasonably successful, especially in places like Portland, OR and Seattle. I thought the purpose of advertising was to REACH people. GEICO and Oreck seem to think so. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From paul@derrynh.net Tue Nov 7 22:43:43 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:43:43 -0500 Subject: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" In-Reply-To: <001701c702b8$7ad89200$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <018401c702e8$169266b0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> It would lengthen his commute. He lives in Shrewsbury (I believe) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:03 PM To: Roger Kolakowski; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" My latest theory is that WCRN will move its main studios (such as they are) and offices to Boston in the spring of 2007. If I'm right, whoop-te-doo! When/if, the night power increase to 50 kW takes place, WCRN *might* be able to change its CoL to Framingham. If so, whoop-te-doo again! Would the studio move shorten the commute for AM-drive host Peter Blute? Does somebody on this list know where he lives? The office move would probably shorten the commute for members of the Carberry family--if any of them actually spends time in the office. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: WCRN 830 Running a "tease" > through their website wcrnradio.com and on the air heard during 9-11A Barry > Armstrong, a musical "tease" for "upcoming changes." > > Songs include the words "spring, springtime, Boston and home" > > Did I miss something? > > Roger > WA1KAT > From attychase@comcast.net Wed Nov 8 13:00:27 2006 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: Who owns the hall? References: Message-ID: <000701c7035f$c6f5c340$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Ah, that is why Congress declared the airwaves to belong to the public. It is also why those with a certain viewpoint have worked very hard to negate that doctrine and make sure the airwaves belong to whomever can get the government to give (and now sell) it to them (read enforce the use by law). http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm The idea of auctioning off the airwaves as property that can be passed on is a direct extension of that viewpoint. Its suprising this happened since we should remember that the government got into regulating radio technical matters to prevent interference and to ensure that ships installed and used radio for safety but from the start it didn't allow monopolies to buy up and convert to private use the public property called "the airwaves." See "Resolved, That the Conference on Radio Telephony recommend that the radio laws be amended so as to give the Secretary of Commerce adequate legal authority for the effective control of-- (1) The establishment of all radio transmitting stations except amateur, experimental, and Government stations. (2) The operation of nongovernmental radio transmitting stations.1 Resolved, That it is the sense of the conference that radio communication is a public utility and as such should be regulated and controlled by the Federal Government in the public interest. http://earlyradiohistory.us/1922conf.htm " BTW, this was Hoover's Commerce Department. > > Freedom of speech belongs to those who hire their own hall. > > -GAWollman From hykker@grolen.com Wed Nov 8 13:36:59 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:36:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Who owns the hall? In-Reply-To: <000701c7035f$c6f5c340$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> References: <000701c7035f$c6f5c340$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <53109.63.115.16.143.1163011019.squirrel@63.115.16.143> Robert S Chase wrote... > > The idea of auctioning off the airwaves as property that can be passed on > is > a direct extension of that viewpoint. Its suprising this happened since we > should remember that the government got into regulating radio technical > matters to prevent interference and to ensure that ships installed and > used > radio for safety but from the start it didn't allow monopolies to buy up > and > convert to private use the public property called "the airwaves." > Are you saying that all spectrum belongs to "the public"? If not, what diffrentiates between broadcast frequencies and frequencies set aside for 2-way communications, cellphones, etc? Should anyone be able to set up shop & broadcast on any frequency they feel like? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Nov 8 13:46:17 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:46:17 -0500 Subject: Who owns the hall? References: <000701c7035f$c6f5c340$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> <53109.63.115.16.143.1163011019.squirrel@63.115.16.143> Message-ID: <009d01c70366$32e58a80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Are you saying that all spectrum belongs to "the public"? If not, what > diffrentiates between broadcast frequencies and frequencies set aside for > 2-way communications, cellphones, etc? ALL spectrum belongs to the public. However, a government agency (acting on our behalf) is empowered to regulate that spectrum in the interest of the people. (We can debate the latter forever...) ;-) Should anyone be able to set up > shop & broadcast on any frequency they feel like? From hmadjid@gmail.com Wed Nov 8 18:46:44 2006 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:46:44 -0500 Subject: I voted for Ted! [Sarandis] Message-ID: I cast my vote for ex WEEI evening talk show host Ted Sarandis for Governors Council. He was the only name I recognized on the ballot under Governor's Council. :-) Frankly I don't know what the heck the Governor's Council is even for. Sarandis only garnered 8% of the vote, I thought it would be a lot more on the basis of name recognition alone. Is he still doing BC Basketball play-by-play? It's been a long time since I listened in to Eagles b-ball :-) -- Hakim Madjid The Computer Handyman (617) 501-6753 HMadjid@gmail.com From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 8 19:00:15 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:00:15 -0500 Subject: I voted for Ted! [Sarandis] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c70392$09523700$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Governors Council (which only exist in 2 states, Mass and NH) are a check and balance on the Governor. In Mass, I believe the main focus is appointments (Judges basically) In NH, they actually are even more powerful, as they must approve every contract signed by the Governor. (NH probably has the weakest Governor's office in the entire USA) Rep Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH (Radiophile and State Rep) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Hakim Madjid Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:47 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: I voted for Ted! [Sarandis] I cast my vote for ex WEEI evening talk show host Ted Sarandis for Governors Council. He was the only name I recognized on the ballot under Governor's Council. :-) Frankly I don't know what the heck the Governor's Council is even for. Sarandis only garnered 8% of the vote, I thought it would be a lot more on the basis of name recognition alone. Is he still doing BC Basketball play-by-play? It's been a long time since I listened in to Eagles b-ball :-) -- Hakim Madjid The Computer Handyman (617) 501-6753 HMadjid@gmail.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Nov 8 19:00:20 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:00:20 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17746.28564.963774.198342@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Frankly I don't know what the heck the Governor's Council is even for. It's a historical relic. New Hampshire has one as well. Certain things that in other states can be done by the Governor alone, or with the approval of the Senate, must be approved by the Council. Any impressions on the quality of the election coverage Tuesday night? I was mostly flipping back and forth between the Microsoft channel and NECN. I should have listened to more of Gary LaPierre's presumptive last election-night broadcast, but I only heard about fifteen minutes of it. MSNBC had this incredibly annoying habit of dropping their House results crawl every time it was about to show the result of an interesting race. Apparently, the box that generated it didn't have a "pause" control, so when it picked up again, the data for the interesting race had long passed. nytimes.com had commentary today (don't know if it appeared in the print edition) about Katie Couric's performance, which I did not see any of, and the general lack of women on the air in election broadcasts. Local stations and regional services like NECN seem to do much better in that regard, presumably because their "star" anchor teams and reporting staffs are more gender-balanced. Then I went to bed and was somewhat irritated that WBUR was running NPR coverage instead of the BBC World Service; I would have liked to hear some other news and some international perspective. (Not that I would have made a different decision had I been in Paul LaCamera's shoes.) -GAWollman From hmadjid@gmail.com Wed Nov 8 19:23:38 2006 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:23:38 -0500 Subject: Election Coverage Review Message-ID: I mostly listened to WBUR & WBZ radio last night. I tuned in 96.9 briefly, but couldn't stand the partisan analysis on 96.9. Both WBUR & WBZ (radio) did a really good job in their coverage, IMHO. In a blast from the past, WBUR aired a brief live interview with Mike Dukakis. The 'Duke' sounded the same as he always did :-) 73 de Hakim (N1ZFF) On 11/8/06, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > Any impressions on the quality of the election coverage Tuesday night? > I was mostly flipping back and forth between the Microsoft channel and > NECN. I should have listened to more of Gary LaPierre's presumptive > last election-night broadcast, but I only heard about fifteen minutes > of it. > > -GAWollman > > -- Hakim Madjid The Computer Handyman (617) 501-6753 HMadjid@gmail.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 8 23:55:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:55:26 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <17746.28564.963774.198342@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: Message-ID: <45526E6E.221.385CD0@localhost> On 8 Nov 2006 at 19:00, Garrett Wollman wrote: > It's a historical relic. New Hampshire has one as well. Certain > things that in other states can be done by the Governor alone, or with > the approval of the Senate, must be approved by the Council. In Massachusetts the Council must approve judicial appointments and appointments to certain quasi-judicial boards. It also passes on pardons, commutations, calling a special session of the Legislature, and certain contracts. Most of this is pro forma. > Any impressions on the quality of the election coverage Tuesday night? > I was mostly flipping back and forth between the Microsoft channel and > NECN. I should have listened to more of Gary LaPierre's presumptive > last election-night broadcast, but I only heard about fifteen minutes > of it. I was at a Brookline Democratic Town Committee party, where they had NECN on. I notice that NECN had no coverage of the overall race for Congress. The crawl had various individual races, but nothing on overall Congressional seats. And I didn't hear about a number of crucial races around the country until I left the party and started listening to WBUR on the car radio. I didn't hear anything about overall control of Congress until I got home and started flipping between CNN and MSNBC. > MSNBC had this incredibly annoying habit of dropping their House > results crawl every time it was about to show the result of an > interesting race. Apparently, the box that generated it didn't have a > "pause" control, so when it picked up again, the data for the > interesting race had long passed. I've noticed this on NECN and I think also on CNN as well. This evening, I saw part of a story about the New Hampshire Legislature and started watching carefully for it to come around again. It was just about to come around again when they took a break. Then they returned with business news, and the crawl just showed stock market news. Apparently the Democrats took control of both houses of the New Hampshire Legislature and also the Governor's Council. New Hamshire! That's amazing. > nytimes.com had commentary today (don't know if it appeared in the > print edition) about Katie Couric's performance, which I did not see > any of, and the general lack of women on the air in election > broadcasts. Local stations and regional services like NECN seem to do > much better in that regard, presumably because their "star" anchor > teams and reporting staffs are more gender-balanced. There were women on NECN, CNN, and MSNBC. > Then I went to bed and was somewhat irritated that WBUR was running > NPR coverage instead of the BBC World Service; I would have liked to > hear some other news and some international perspective. (Not that I > would have made a different decision had I been in Paul LaCamera's > shoes.) I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering any election news at all. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 11:08:30 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:08:30 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611090808y1b0cfdude785083eb3ff55e@mail.gmail.com> WCRN 830 Worcester's big announcement is...they are taking over for WTAG as Red Sox affiliate next year (with "50,000 watts of NIGHTTIME power!). That should help to the west since WRKO goes directional at night. http://www.wcrnradio.com Thanks--and just clicked on their site...So WTAG loses rights after all these years. It was mentioned that hearing "Sweet Caroline" as part of the WCRN promos was a good clue. By the way I thought I read in one paper that the tradition of the Sox playing that song during the middle of the 8th inning goes back to the fact that a Sox employee's wife gave birth to a girl named Caroline; the song was played in her honor, and it caught on...even appearing in the movie "Fever Pitch" as the crowd chants So Good! So Good! Along with it. Yet a quick websearch drags up an article in the paper whose parent company owns 17 per cent of the team, and el Globo says that the Fenway park "DJ" started to play it and it just caught on with the crowd. (It was on a list of older rock songs that other stadia played as well.) I read somewhere online that the Mets also picked up the tradition of playing the tune, and I remember hearing it at a minor league park in Ohio last year. Somewhere out there is that little article I read (maybe as part of a "baseball notes" article) saying that the birth of a daughter to a Red Sox employee is the real reason why... Ah! And here it is (adding "daughter" to the yahoo search was the key). And again it comes from the Globe: the Red Sox had an employee named Billy Fitzpatrick who worked with them from 1984-2003, and in Dec. 1998 Billy's daughter Caroline was born. " At a Red Sox game the following summer, with Billy nearby in the control room, former public address announcer Ed Brickley requested that ''Sweet Caroline" be played." Fenway Park "DJ" Amy Tobey did, and noticed the Sox fans seemed to enjoy it. For a time, it was only played when the Sox were leading or if it was a close game (kind of like the Angels' "Rally Monkey" bit or the Sox' own Rally Karaoke guy, Kevin Millar) but reaction to it was "so strong" that it became a regular fixture just before the Sox came up in the bottom of the 8th. And now you know...the rest of the Story! From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 11:41:10 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:41:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <45526E6E.221.385CD0@localhost> Message-ID: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering > any election news at all. > But Radio Derry 1700 with it's mighty 0.1 watt of power had live election results from about 8pm until midnight or so... John B Derry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Nov 9 12:17:28 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:17:28 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45526E6E.221.385CD0@localhost> <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061109171732.8E99444D0BC@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:41 AM 11/9/2006, John Bolduc wrote: > > > > I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering > > any election news at all. Interestingly, Air America Radio had wall to wall election coverage with some excellent pundits from the left. Rachel Maddow and David Bender anchored. Alas, the poor night signal in Boston hurt them, so I doubt that anyone on our list spent much time listening-- I checked them out on the internet a couple of times, and whether you like AAR or not, I found their coverage to be very professional. That said, the media critics seem to have been impressed with the duo of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. Fox and CNN were neck and neck in the cable ratings, but MSNBC's numbers were up over 200% (!) from last time they covered an election. Overall, ABC was the clear ratings winner. From rogerkola@aol.com Thu Nov 9 12:56:27 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:56:27 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review References: <45526E6E.221.385CD0@localhost><20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061109171732.8E99444D0BC@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <003001c70428$619c88c0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Moving to the Video side...I was impressed with Channel 5's Internet streaming coverage, but just from a technical aspect. The streams were "spotty" but really high (well not HD) quality for video streaming and even using full screen there were very few hic-cups...as for content it didn't seem as though they had a plan and just jumped on when they felt like it; using the same studio feed as on the air. I wonder where this fits into the expansion of licensed live feeds to the internet? TV doesn't have the same RIAA problems as radio, so if they got the sponsor's OK and ran local programming with a little more work on the compression algorithms, they could start their own "WTBS Superstation!" Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "John Bolduc" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Election coverage review > At 11:41 AM 11/9/2006, John Bolduc wrote: > > > > > > I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering > > > any election news at all. > > Interestingly, Air America Radio had wall to wall election coverage > with some excellent pundits from the left. Rachel Maddow and David > Bender anchored. Alas, the poor night signal in Boston hurt them, so > I doubt that anyone on our list spent much time listening-- I checked > them out on the internet a couple of times, and whether you like AAR > or not, I found their coverage to be very professional. > > That said, the media critics seem to have been impressed with the duo > of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. Fox and CNN were neck > and neck in the cable ratings, but MSNBC's numbers were up over 200% > (!) from last time they covered an election. Overall, ABC was the > clear ratings winner. > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 9 13:05:25 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45536DE5.1070508@fybush.com> John Bolduc wrote: >> I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering >> any election news at all. >> > > But Radio Derry 1700 with it's mighty 0.1 watt of power had live election > results from about 8pm until midnight or so... Not that it quite fits "boston-", but over here in Rochester at WXXI, we were live with coverage on AM 1370 from 9-midnight, simulcast on one of the subchannels of WXXI-DT. I was about 90 minutes south of here, at the campaign HQ of our "local" congresscritter (we're gerrymandered all to heck here; there are other "local" districts that forced us to send reporters to Buffalo and Syracuse as well), and was listening to WBZ, among others, on the drive down and back. I think Garrett and I need to trade NPR outlets - WXXI went to the usual BBC WS at midnight, and I'd have MUCH rather heard the all-night NPR coverage from Washington, which I was able to tune in on the member stations out of Binghamton and Oswego as I drove back to the studio that night. (It rather appears that we carried BBC out of default; when I asked why we weren't using the NPR coverage, the response was, "nobody thought of that!") The mighty 50 kW of WHAM was doing a stale seven-hour-old replay of Sean Hannity at 12:35 AM when I tuned in on the way back to the station. They did have a live local update (with no sound of any candidates) at 1 AM. They've had a bunch of nasty cutbacks there lately. I feel bad for them! s From wayne@vacationdreams.org Thu Nov 9 13:25:01 2006 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (Wayne Carter) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:25:01 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story Message-ID: That is funny... where I live just outside Orlando it is the norm in the local music clubs, instead of singing the "Bah bah bah" part, to shout "This song sucks!".... I don't think anybody actually feels that way, I think they just like shouting the phrase at Disney world... Wayne Carter >WCRN 830 Worcester's big announcement is...they are taking over for WTAG as >Red Sox affiliate next year (with "50,000 watts of NIGHTTIME power!). >That should >help to the west since WRKO goes directional at night. > >http://www.wcrnradio.com > >Thanks--and just clicked on their site...So WTAG loses rights after >all these years. > >It was mentioned that hearing "Sweet Caroline" as part of the WCRN >promos was a good clue. By the way I thought I read in one paper that >the tradition of the Sox playing that song during the middle of the >8th inning goes back to the fact that a Sox employee's wife gave birth >to a girl named Caroline; the song was played in her honor, and it >caught on...even appearing in the movie "Fever Pitch" as the crowd >chants So Good! So >Good! Along with it. > >Yet a quick websearch drags up an article in the paper whose parent >company owns 17 per cent of the team, and el Globo says that the >Fenway park "DJ" started to play it and it just caught on with the >crowd. (It was on a list of older rock songs that other stadia played >as well.) I read somewhere online that the Mets also picked >up the tradition of playing the tune, and I remember hearing it at a >minor league park in Ohio last year. Somewhere out there is that >little article I read (maybe as part of a "baseball notes" article) >saying that the birth of a daughter to a Red Sox employee is the real >reason why... > >Ah! And here it is (adding "daughter" to the yahoo search was the >key). And again it comes from the Globe: >the Red Sox had an employee named Billy Fitzpatrick who worked with >them from 1984-2003, and in Dec. 1998 Billy's daughter Caroline was >born. " At a Red Sox game the following summer, with Billy nearby in >the control room, former public address announcer Ed Brickley >requested that ''Sweet Caroline" be played." Fenway >Park "DJ" Amy Tobey did, and noticed the Sox fans seemed to enjoy it. >For a time, it was only played when the Sox were leading or if it was >a close game (kind of like the Angels' "Rally Monkey" bit or the Sox' >own Rally Karaoke guy, Kevin Millar) but reaction to it was "so >strong" that it became a regular fixture >just before the Sox came up in the bottom of the 8th. > >And now you know...the rest of the Story! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 13:23:23 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:23:23 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611090808y1b0cfdude785083eb3ff55e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611090808y1b0cfdude785083eb3ff55e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611091023u7f712b18gab58a7afdd8725de@mail.gmail.com> This Worcester Magazine piece has more info. WCRN feels their boost to 50,000 watts full time will be in place by the time the Sox season starts. Entercom feels they have a better signal and switched the affiliation from WTAG. (Look for "Watts on first") WCRN has 5 kW night--needs to resolve "local permitting issues" but they feel they can get 50 kW full time fairly soon.) http://www.worcestermag.com/archives/2006/11-09-06/city_desk.html From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Nov 9 13:24:35 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:24:35 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <45536DE5.1070508@fybush.com> References: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45536DE5.1070508@fybush.com> Message-ID: <17747.29283.988656.785804@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think Garrett and I need to trade NPR outlets - WXXI went to the usual > BBC WS at midnight, and I'd have MUCH rather heard the all-night NPR > coverage from Washington I didn't think there was anything *wrong* with NPR coverage; I was just tired of "all election news all the time" after having seen seven hours of it on TV when I went to bed at 3 AM. There wasn't any more news to report in the next half-hour I was awake; they were just rehashing the remaining "too close to call" races, none of which were decided until after sunrise. (Some of them may stil be undecided.) The MSNBC coverage, for what it's worth, reinforced my dislike of Chris Matthews. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 13:37:45 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:37:45 -0500 Subject: DePetro tries to get job back Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611091037k587bbc1cvf546822bb7bd99b7@mail.gmail.com> http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/blog/ He says he's willing to undergo sensitivity training, and would invite Ross on his show weekly. He also feels that WRKO/WEEI has a double standard, as Dennis and Callahan were only suspended and not fired over the Metco flap. Trying to remember if D&C's Metro controversy was their "first offense"...DePetro had a previous incident and was warned about it. He has claimed he said nothing the FCC would call offensive but Wolfe has said the WAY DePetro said it (his "tone") made a difference. Consider that DePetro, as one of the local papers pointed out, also drew controversy over some anti-gay remarks in March--in that big advertiser Harvard Pilgrim Health Care asked that their spots be withdrawn from his show. WRKO complied. So you have that, the Amorello comment, and the Ross comment-- as far as WRKO was concerned (the new Sox flagship), THREE strikes and he's out. We'll see...If he doesn't make it back onto WRKO I wonder if WTKK would be interested. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 9 13:08:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:08:08 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review References: <45526E6E.221.385CD0@localhost><20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061109171732.8E99444D0BC@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000a01c7042a$091d4840$19eefea9@satpro4600> I don't think WKOX carried the AAR election coverage! I tuned in at about 9:45PM and caught Rachel on delay as per usual. It was election coverage, but it was three hours old--and was therefore more-or-less useless. At 11:00PM, at the end of Rachel's show, the delayed broadcast of Sem Seder, who is live 14 hours earlier, began. I was a bit pissed. To compound the problem, I couldn't figure out what would have been on if WKOX was doing election night correctly. For several days, I had heard promos for both Young Turks election-night coverage and Rachel/David election-night coverage. I wondered (and still wonder) if AAR didn't put two election-night shows on two different satellite transponders. I believe that AAR does have access to two transponders and uses one for the regularly scheduled delayed broadcasts Also, some station (not CFGO, which caused so much trouble a year ago) that doesn't normally interfere with WKOX was interfering pretty badly. The format sounded like Black Gospel (I think there is a 1200 in Nashville with high day power and low night power--could have been them running day power/pattern--but I don't know.) The one ID I heard couldn't have been from the gospel station. Faded up just in time for me to hear "News-Talk 1200" and down before I could hear the call-sign or the CoL. Five or more years ago, before it went brokered SS religion, which was before it went progressive talk, WKOX used to ID as News-Talk 1200, IIRC. I don't suppose that what I heard was a five+-year-old WKOX ID that had been circling around in the ether all those years and finally looped back to earth :>) -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "John Bolduc" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Election coverage review > At 11:41 AM 11/9/2006, John Bolduc wrote: > > > > > > I noticed that too, but there were damn few radio stations covering > > > any election news at all. > > Interestingly, Air America Radio had wall to wall election coverage > with some excellent pundits from the left. Rachel Maddow and David > Bender anchored. Alas, the poor night signal in Boston hurt them, so > I doubt that anyone on our list spent much time listening-- I checked > them out on the internet a couple of times, and whether you like AAR > or not, I found their coverage to be very professional. > > That said, the media critics seem to have been impressed with the duo > of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. Fox and CNN were neck > and neck in the cable ratings, but MSNBC's numbers were up over 200% > (!) from last time they covered an election. Overall, ABC was the > clear ratings winner. > From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 9 13:49:40 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:49:40 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <17747.29283.988656.785804@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45536DE5.1070508@fybush.com> <17747.29283.988656.785804@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45537844.3050008@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I think Garrett and I need to trade NPR outlets - WXXI went to the usual >> BBC WS at midnight, and I'd have MUCH rather heard the all-night NPR >> coverage from Washington > > I didn't think there was anything *wrong* with NPR coverage; I was > just tired of "all election news all the time" after having seen seven > hours of it on TV when I went to bed at 3 AM. There wasn't any more > news to report in the next half-hour I was awake; they were just > rehashing the remaining "too close to call" races, none of which were > decided until after sunrise. (Some of them may stil be undecided.) > > The MSNBC coverage, for what it's worth, reinforced my dislike of > Chris Matthews. I'm no fan of Matthews, but having Olbermann on with him made it worthwhile. WTWP 1500 was using MSNBC audio for most of each hour until they went to Jim Bohannon overnight. That was a welcome distraction on the drive down to Hammondsport. FWIW, I'm pretty sure the Missouri race was called for Claire McCaskill sometime in the 3 AM hour. That was pretty big news. I suspect the last "too close to call" race is going to be WA-08, where heavy flooding has kept some polling places from even being able to deliver their results thus far. s From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Nov 9 13:52:20 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:52:20 -0500 Subject: the "Sweet Caroline" story References: Message-ID: <001701c70430$3095e660$0301a8c0@Family> back in my day, a simpler time, when one could actually find a parking spot along the left field wall on game night but the only musical seranade within Fenway came from the only man to have ever played for the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics in the same year (John Kiley), one might have gone to Molly's in Allston and enjoyed "Doctor Dave's Golden Oldie Show" it was there, in the dank, beer-stained club in which many gathered to enjoy those oldies but goodies (circa 1980), that the volume would be turned down during Sweet Caroline so that the assembled masses could add their voices with a chorus of "so good, so good, so good, so good!" not sure where/when it started, but in Boston - i gotta give props to Doctor Dave at Molly's for the sing-along portion, unless someone else has a memory that pre-dates that. can't say that i ever did that while spinning "oldies" as an underage club dj in '75. - -Chuck Igo From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 13:55:05 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <001c01c7042e$85cc1660$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <1fbbbced0611090808y1b0cfdude785083eb3ff55e@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c7042e$85cc1660$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611091055u4169dc7dtc8c8e268965bf7b2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Where did you see or hear 50,000 watts of NIGHTTIME power? I'd like to see > or hear it for myself--especially if the source was a promo on WCRN or > something on WCRN's Web site. The Worcester magazine article says--and I assume the info came from WCRN itself-- "The move coincides with...WCRN's long-time efforts to extend the hours at which it broadcasts a full 50,000 watt signal. Currently, it's doing so only during the daytime." I didn't see any construction permits for WCRN at the radio-locator.com page for them. It still says 5 kW night. Not sure how accurate that page is. WCRN's site says: "NEW ENGLAND'S NEW HOME FOR RED SOX BASEBALL!! LISTEN TO ALL THE GAMES WITH 50,000 WATTS OF NIGHTTIME POWER!" That's what THEY said... From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 9 13:40:18 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:40:18 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story References: <1fbbbced0611090808y1b0cfdude785083eb3ff55e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c7042e$85cc1660$19eefea9@satpro4600> Where did you see or hear 50,000 watts of NIGHTTIME power? I'd like to see or hear it for myself--especially if the source was a promo on WCRN or something on WCRN's Web site. If WCRN does get the 50-kW night signal on the air, it definitely will fix WRKO's nighttime coverage problems in MetroWest. The WCRN transmitter is about 10 miles west of downtown Worcester and the night signal will beam almost due east. The 10.55 mV/m NIF contour will extend to Framingham. (I can't remember whether or not most of Framingham will lie within the NIF but at least some of it will.) Except for fading, which is really annoying on WCRN from before sunset until after sunrise, the signal should be better than WRKO's, at least as far as Route 128. Areas west of the WCRN transmitter in Leicester may not receive as good a signal as they do from WTAG, however. If WCRN picks up the Sox, that will put an end to the speculation about 107.3 carrying them. Now that 107.3 has a separate Boston signal on 97.7, Entercom COULD have kept the rock on 97.7 during the games and put the Sox on 107.3 to cover MetroWest. However, having the games on 830 (assuming the power increase gets built), will be a big boost for AM in MetroWest. Because of first-adjacent WEZE, WTAG really hasn't been an alternative for many MetroWest listeners. Anyone remember Tom Russell, who did AM drive on the old WEEI 590 for many, many years (and later worked for the Mass Lottery)? I believe he lived in Hopkinton. He would often complain on the air that his wife and kids couldn't listen to his program because the interference from another station. That station was WTAG and the problem cut both ways. Few people listen to WTAG in Hopkinton either because of the interference from what is now WEZE. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: ; "Tim Davisson" ; ; Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story > WCRN 830 Worcester's big announcement is...they are taking over for WTAG as > Red Sox affiliate next year (with "50,000 watts of NIGHTTIME power!). > That should > help to the west since WRKO goes directional at night. > > http://www.wcrnradio.com > > Thanks--and just clicked on their site...So WTAG loses rights after > all these years. > > It was mentioned that hearing "Sweet Caroline" as part of the WCRN > promos was a good clue. By the way I thought I read in one paper that > the tradition of the Sox playing that song during the middle of the > 8th inning goes back to the fact that a Sox employee's wife gave birth > to a girl named Caroline; the song was played in her honor, and it > caught on...even appearing in the movie "Fever Pitch" as the crowd > chants So Good! So > Good! Along with it. > > Yet a quick websearch drags up an article in the paper whose parent > company owns 17 per cent of the team, and el Globo says that the > Fenway park "DJ" started to play it and it just caught on with the > crowd. (It was on a list of older rock songs that other stadia played > as well.) I read somewhere online that the Mets also picked > up the tradition of playing the tune, and I remember hearing it at a > minor league park in Ohio last year. Somewhere out there is that > little article I read (maybe as part of a "baseball notes" article) > saying that the birth of a daughter to a Red Sox employee is the real > reason why... > > Ah! And here it is (adding "daughter" to the yahoo search was the > key). And again it comes from the Globe: > the Red Sox had an employee named Billy Fitzpatrick who worked with > them from 1984-2003, and in Dec. 1998 Billy's daughter Caroline was > born. " At a Red Sox game the following summer, with Billy nearby in > the control room, former public address announcer Ed Brickley > requested that ''Sweet Caroline" be played." Fenway > Park "DJ" Amy Tobey did, and noticed the Sox fans seemed to enjoy it. > For a time, it was only played when the Sox were leading or if it was > a close game (kind of like the Angels' "Rally Monkey" bit or the Sox' > own Rally Karaoke guy, Kevin Millar) but reaction to it was "so > strong" that it became a regular fixture > just before the Sox came up in the bottom of the 8th. > > And now you know...the rest of the Story! From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 16:38:50 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:38:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611091023u7f712b18gab58a7afdd8725de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061109213850.99060.qmail@web58312.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > This Worcester Magazine piece has more info. WCRN feels their boost > to > 50,000 watts > full time will be in place by the time the Sox season starts. > Entercom > feels they have > a better signal and switched the affiliation from WTAG. (Look for > "Watts on first") > WCRN has 5 kW night--needs to resolve "local permitting issues" but > they feel they can get 50 kW full time fairly soon.) > > http://www.worcestermag.com/archives/2006/11-09-06/city_desk.html Sportsradio 850 and 830, WEEI. Works for me. Since Entercom has been in a buying mode lately, how long until such a deal with the Carberrys may be finalized? I see no other reason why Entercom would switch affiliates. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 9 16:59:05 2006 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:59:05 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611091055u4169dc7dtc8c8e268965bf7b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c7044a$467ebaf0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > I didn't see any construction permits for WCRN at the > radio-locator.com page for them. > It still says 5 kW night. Not sure how accurate that page is. I wouldn't trust radio-locator for accurate information about construction permits, they seem to get confused with them a lot. Here's WCRN's info from the FCC. You'll first see the current day and current night information, then below those, you'll see the CP. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Nov 9 17:06:24 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:06:24 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <17747.29283.988656.785804@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20061109164110.24899.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45536DE5.1070508@fybush.com> <17747.29283.988656.785804@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20061109220627.5471C44C2E3@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Garrett wrote-- >The MSNBC coverage, for what it's worth, reinforced my dislike of >Chris Matthews. Oh yes, I agree. He seldom if ever tossed it over to Keith Olbermann, preferring to dominate the entire show as if the world were waiting to hear what Chris Matthews had to say... maybe they were paying him by the word? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 17:13:40 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:13:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <45537844.3050008@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20061109221340.48662.qmail@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > I'm no fan of Matthews, but having Olbermann on with him made it > worthwhile. WTWP 1500 was using MSNBC audio for most of each hour > until > they went to Jim Bohannon overnight. That was a welcome distraction > on > the drive down to Hammondsport. I am an Olbermann fan, and I loved the play back and forth between Olbermann and Matthews. Whether you like Matthews or not, he knows his stuff. Having Brokaw pop in for an appearance was a nice surprise. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 9 17:17:07 2006 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:17:07 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <003101c7044a$467ebaf0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <003201c7044c$cb8057c0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> I forgot the link: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=9201 Jeff Lehmann > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Jeff Lehmann > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:59 PM > To: 'Bob Nelson'; 'Dan Strassberg'; boston-radio- > interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: RE: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story > > > I didn't see any construction permits for WCRN at the > > radio-locator.com page for them. > > It still says 5 kW night. Not sure how accurate that page is. > > I wouldn't trust radio-locator for accurate information about construction > permits, they seem to get confused with them a lot. > > Here's WCRN's info from the FCC. You'll first see the current day and > current night information, then below those, you'll see the CP. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 17:17:51 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <001701c70430$3095e660$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <20061109221751.31338.qmail@web58312.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > not sure where/when it started, but in Boston - i gotta give props to > Doctor > Dave at Molly's for the sing-along portion, unless someone else has a > memory > that pre-dates that. can't say that i ever did that while spinning > "oldies" > as an underage club dj in '75. I don't know when it started at Fenway, but I do know it was sometime since Tom Werner, John Henry, NYT Co., etc., bought the team (2002?). For some reason, I believe that it started during the World Series season, but don't quote me on it. What was a shame was the (very unoriginal!) New York Mets stole "Sweet Caroline" and passed it off as their own creation this season. They also stole the Terrible Towel idea from Pittsburgh. The Mets ought to just go back to stealing their ideas from the Yankees again. "Sweet Caroline" also is a big bar song in college towns such as State College, Pa. -- not that I would know, since I never hit such establishments. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Nov 9 18:52:29 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:52:29 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review Message-ID: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Election coverage review >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:24:35 >The MSNBC coverage, for what it's worth, reinforced my dislike of >Chris Matthews. >-GAWollman You didn't give your opinion of Keith Olbermann, but the very next night he endeared himself to former "Bob and Ray" fans by quoting the text of the famous Ray Goulding concession speech. Too bad he didn't run a minute or so of the audio recording, perhaps with a visual of B&R on TV. Both Goulding and Olbermann have "pipe organ" voices (is that why he runs the J.S. Bach Tocatta and Fugue in D-minor under his "Worst Person in the World" feature?) -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 18:13:49 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <001b01c70452$04fd7fa0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <20061109231349.29725.qmail@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, start with the question of why Entercom (presumably with the > agreement > of the Sox) decided not to put the Sox on FM in Worcester. Entercom > had to > do something. WTAG doesn't really cover MetroWest AND except in the > fringes > (Marlborough and west), WRKO's night signal in MetroWest is inferior > to > WEEI's, which is, itself, inadequate. Always thought I got a serviceable signal from WTAG in MetroWest when I would listen to the Sox in the car. Let's also remember that WMRC's signal does cover a small yet exponentially growing part of MetroWest. And 103.7 has quite the signal west of the city. > Having the Sox on WCRN certainly does raise the possibility > that > Entercom is trying to make a deal with the Carberry's to buy WCRN. I > can't > see such a deal going down until the Carberry's get past their legal > issues > with the Town of Leicester that have so far kept them putting up the > fourth > tower (required for 50 kW-N). However, I can't imagine Entercom > offering a > price that the Carberrys would agree to unless it was clear that the > nighttime 50 kW was going to happen. I suspect that if a deal is > reached, > the price for WCRN will be in the vicinity of $14 million. > > Unless I'm missing something, an Entercom acquisition of WCRN would > not put > Entercom over the ownership cap in this market. They would wind up > with > three FMs (93.7, 97.7, and 107.3) and four AMs, 680, 830, 850, and > 1440. > AFAIK, Westerly/Providence and the Connecticut Valley are not part of > the > Boston market, but even if they were, Entercom could get back inside > the cap > by selling 1440. I just don't see Entercom agreeing with the Carberrys when they have the desire to build out the CP to boost power and potentially swipe away listeners from WRKO with a talk format -- unless, of course, there was good incentive to do so. I don't know any of the principals involved, but if the Carberrys still wanted a radio station to "play" with, why couldn't they sell 830 for (a nice pile of) cash and 1440? And are you sure 830 would count toward Entercom's Boston cap -- if that were the case, wouldn't Clear Channel, with WSRS and WTAG to go along with WKOX, WXKS, WXKS-FM, WJMN and other properties, have some problems? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Nov 9 19:18:06 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:18:06 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20061110001809.5A69153A36@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >it was said-- > >You didn't give your opinion of Keith Olbermann, but the very next >night he endeared himself to former "Bob and Ray" fans by quoting >the text of the famous Ray Goulding concession speech. In my rock and roll fantasy, I leave my husband, Keith leaves his girlfriend, and Keith and I live happily ever after. Shhh. Don't tell anyone. :) My own opinion of Keith is that for somebody who used to be known basically for having a big ego and being a bit of a wise guy, he has truly found his voice on MSNBC-- even the critics who don't like him agree that he has become one of the most insightful and thought-provoking anchors out there today. His special commentaries-- whether one agreed with him or not-- display a courage rarely seen in modern journalism, and have truly motivated many of us progressives over the past few months. It is not accidental that his ratings have increased nearly 70% over the past two ratings periods, such that he is even beating CNN in his daypart. I know our right-wing friends hate him, but as an entertaining yet informative host, he has transformed "Countdown" into must-see TV for many of us. In a world of bland, in a world of politically correct, in a world often dominated by conservative tallkers (over 90% of talk show hosts are still identified as conservative, according to Talkers magazine), Keith has become the spokesperson for moderates, progressives, and even lefties. He isn't afraid to criticise both right wing excesses and left wing excesses, plus he has a wry sense of humour I miss since Aaron Brown got replaced. It's nice to see an anchor who isn't afraid to speak out and who stands up for what he believes, even when to do so gets one called "unpatriotic" or "un-American" in some quarters. But I say, somewhere in Journalism Heaven, Edward R. Murrow is smiling. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 10 00:56:08 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:56:08 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4553CE28.10973.5D81AC@localhost> On 9 Nov 2006 at 18:52, Laurence Glavin wrote: > You didn't give your opinion of Keith Olbermann, but the very next > night he endeared himself to former "Bob and Ray" fans by quoting the > text of the famous Ray Goulding concession speech. Too bad he didn't > run a minute or so of the audio recording, perhaps with a visual of > B&R on TV. Both Goulding and Olbermann have "pipe organ" voices (is > that why he runs the J.S. Bach Tocatta and Fugue in D-minor under his > "Worst Person in the World" feature?) There was a Ray Goulding concession speech? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 01:53:02 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:53:02 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review References: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061110001809.5A69153A36@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <050101c70494$efcfea80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > My own opinion of Keith is that for somebody who > used to be known basically for having a big ego and being a bit of a > wise guy, he has truly found his voice on MSNBC-- His > special commentaries-- whether one agreed with him or not-- display a > courage rarely seen in modern journalism, and have truly motivated > many of us progressives over the past few months. Funny, I watch these "special commentaries" as well. I find these "special comments" of his self-serving, egotistical, and seemingly purposely filled with half-truths, just to get a reaction. But then again, that just me.... I don't think he is as "insightful" as he thinks he is. But then again, that's probably what you'd say about Bill O'Reilly, right? ;-) > spokesperson for moderates, progressives, and even lefties. He isn't > afraid to criticise both right wing excesses and left wing excesses, > plus he has a wry sense of humour I miss since Aaron Brown got > replaced. Seems to me he just wants to bash conservatives. I don't think he gives much of a voice to "moderates". In the last years, probably out of strategy, he has turned into the left wing version of O'Reilly, with a little wit. Not quite a "wry sense of humor"...but more sarcasm. > It's nice to see an anchor who isn't afraid to speak out > and who stands up for what he believes, even when to do so gets one > called "unpatriotic" or "un-American" in some quarters. But I say, > somewhere in Journalism Heaven, Edward R. Murrow is smiling. I have a feeling ERM is looking down saying "Is this whats it's come to...!!!???" MSNBC decided strategically, to fill a gap and be the anti-Fox network. Since then, Olberman's comments took a sharp left turn. I don't think it takes any "courage" to listen to consultants and watch focus groups and then realize "Hey! There's probably a way for us to crawl out of third place!" None of this is a criticism of you Donna. Hardly, I have great respect for your insights. However, this is an example of how 2 people can watch the same thing and come to different conclusions. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Nov 10 02:16:22 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:16:22 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review In-Reply-To: <050101c70494$efcfea80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061110001809.5A69153A36@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <050101c70494$efcfea80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061110071626.69B15C1E0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:53 AM 11/10/2006, Don A. wrote: >I find these "special comments" of his self-serving, egotistical, and >seemingly purposely filled with half-truths, just to get a reaction. > >I don't think he is as "insightful" as he thinks he is. > >But then again, that's probably what you'd say about Bill O'Reilly, right? Actually, O'Reilly used to be an excellent host, but he got very full of himself and egotistical, and is far less interesting than he used to be. I find Joe Scarborough or even Chris Matthews more interesting that Bill O. As for Keith, I like what he is trying to do. I also like Andy Rooney and Jack Cafferty for the same reason. They can all be curmudgeonly, but they offer a more moderate perspective than the usual right wing spin, which is all too prevalent. I really do like to listen to both sides of issues, and I like a commentary that's well written. I think perhaps you dislike Keith's politics, which is certainly your privilege. >Don wrote-- >Seems to me he just wants to bash conservatives. Umm, you should have heard him bashing William Jefferson (a corrupt Democrat), and he frequently bashes politicians of both parties for being cowardly or corrupt. But yeah, he really dislikes Pres. Bush-- however, so do many conservatives these days. >Don also wrote-- >MSNBC decided strategically, to fill a gap and be the anti-Fox network. >Since then, Olberman's comments took a sharp left turn. I don't doubt this for one minute-- they saw an opening and filled it. But it's working-- his ratings have tripled over a year ago. And every commercial avail is filled. Not bad for a network that used to be a perennial joke. >Don also wrote-- >I don't think it takes any "courage" to listen to consultants and watch >focus groups and then realize "Hey! There's probably a way for us to crawl >out of third place!" Oh you cynic. Keith has always been political, but his network wouldn't permit him to do anything much with it till about a year ago. And just because a network tries a strategy, that doesn't mean it will work. Many talk shows have tried to imitate Bill O and Rush Limbaugh, but few have their ratings. Keith and Chris Matthews are both getting large ratings boosts, and Chris ain't no leftie. They are both doing something that evidently the public wants. >Don also wrote-- >None of this is a criticism of you Donna. Hardly, I have great respect for >your insights. > >However, this is an example of how 2 people can watch the same thing and >come to different conclusions. But of course. And I respect your interpretation. I don't like everything Keith does. I just find his take on the news to be a lot more interesting than some of the talking heads I see on many other shows. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 02:58:31 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:58:31 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review References: <20061109235230.1439C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com><20061110001809.5A69153A36@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><050101c70494$efcfea80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061110071626.69B15C1E0@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <012e01c7049e$133f2e00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Actually, O'Reilly used to be an excellent host, but he got very full > of himself and egotistical, and is far less interesting than he used > to be. Funny, I find the same thing about Keith! > I think perhaps you dislike > Keith's politics, which is certainly your privilege. And you of O'Reilly's? > ... and Chris ain't no leftie. Ummm...Isn't he a Kennedy Democrat? (Having once worked for Kennedy?) I think Matthews is a leftie....but an entertaining one. ;-) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 10 12:30:51 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:30:51 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611100930x38a7161dk85c5453e6e782183@mail.gmail.com> No sign of it yet on their websites, but the WCRB/WKLB switch could be on Dec. 1. A post on a radio messageboard from a 'CRB listener said they are making announcements of the switch on 102.5...so, three weeks notice for listeners. From scott@fybush.com Fri Nov 10 14:21:00 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: WCRN adds Red Sox, and the "Sweet Caroline" story In-Reply-To: <20061109231349.29725.qmail@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <001b01c70452$04fd7fa0$19eefea9@satpro4600> <20061109231349.29725.qmail@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61592.66.195.169.98.1163186460.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com> > And are you sure 830 would count toward Entercom's Boston cap -- if > that were the case, wouldn't Clear Channel, with WSRS and WTAG to go > along with WKOX, WXKS, WXKS-FM, WJMN and other properties, have some > problems? 830 would count towards Entercom's Boston cap, just as WSRS/WTAG count against CC's. But if Entercom can have 1440 in Worcester, it can just as easily have 830. Even including Worcester, CC has only six signals (3 AM, 3 FM) against a market cap of 8. Entercom now has three AMs (680, 850, 1440) and three FMs (93.7, 97.7, 107.3), also for a total of 6 against a cap of 8. The only owner in the market that's maxed out is Greater Media, which has 5 FMs, the most any owner is allowed in a market. And even they could add AMs if they so desired. s From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 10 15:03:44 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:03:44 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611100930x38a7161dk85c5453e6e782183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455494D0.20748.F9FC6@localhost> On 10 Nov 2006 Bob Nelson wrote: > No sign of it yet on their websites, but the WCRB/WKLB switch could be > on Dec. 1. A post on a radio messageboard from a 'CRB listener said > they are making announcements of the switch on 102.5...so, three weeks > notice for listeners. I heard the announcement today. They seem to be mentioning it with each liner, something like "on Boston's classical music station, WCRB, moving to 99.5 FM December First." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 10 17:16:46 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:16:46 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? Message-ID: <4554B3FE.24729.89726D@localhost> It occurs to me to wonder, has anyone heard WKLB-FM running announcements about the move? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 10 18:50:00 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:50:00 -0500 Subject: Election coverage review Message-ID: <20061110235000.807BF1024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Election coverage review >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:56:08 -0500 >There was a Ray Goulding concession speech? This was a comedy bit I beleve on their "Bob and Ray Two and Only" album. Bob was interviewing a candidate who lost, expecting a conventional, gracious concession speech. Instead, Ray went into an extended diatribe against his opponent and the people who voted for him. This description doesn't do justice to the hilarity of the skit. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 10 18:59:04 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:59:04 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <20061110235904.79C101024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:30:51 -0500 >No sign of it yet on their websites, but the WCRB/WKLB switch could be >on Dec. 1. A post on a radio messageboard from a 'CRB listener said >they are making announcements of >the switch on 102.5...so, three weeks notice for listeners. First, except for the BSO concerts, WCRB doesn't have any LISTENERS, just people who tune their radios to 102.5 to have comfortable, uninvolving "classical" sounding music in the background. WKLB uses both wklb.com and www.country995.com. So far they haven't reserved country1025.com, but that could happen at any moment. As for www.wcrb.com, under the "About Us" rubric, the item says there are no press releases available. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 11 00:03:41 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:03:41 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <20061110235904.79C101024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4555135D.25938.4E3863@localhost> On 10 Nov 2006 at 18:59, Laurence Glavin wrote: > First, except for the BSO concerts, WCRB doesn't have any LISTENERS, > just people who tune their radios to 102.5 to have comfortable, > uninvolving "classical" sounding music in the background. WKLB uses > both wklb.com and www.country995.com. So far they haven't reserved > country1025.com, but that could happen at any moment. As for > www.wcrb.com, under the "About Us" rubric, the item says there are no > press releases available. Well, for what it's worth, I've been listening to WKLB-FM for the past hour and a half, and I haven't heard a single mention of the move. I wonder whether WKLB is actually what Greater Media is going to do with 102.5. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 11 03:17:38 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:17:38 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <4555135D.25938.4E3863@localhost> References: <20061110235904.79C101024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <4555135D.25938.4E3863@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611110017l35e7d872qa25605ec5d6ac56e@mail.gmail.com> > Well, for what it's worth, I've been listening to WKLB-FM for the > past hour and a half, and I haven't heard a single mention of the > move. I wonder whether WKLB is actually what Greater Media is going > to do with 102.5. I have... --"Coming soon, there will be big changes coming to WKLB--details coming soon" --"Soon we'll be changing the way you hear WKLB" Their nighttime DJ mentioned their website, especially the merchandise for sale, and said "these will soon be collector's items". Meaning they have the old freq on them (T-shirts, etc.)! Still no mention of the freq switch on either station's site. Am sure they'll emphasize people can get their site at wklb.com and surely even after the switch, they will have country995.com re-direct to the wklb.com page. I think star937.com was redirected to the new "Mike" site for a time... I'm sure they'll keep it country--I don't know about the 25-54 numbers, but in the 12 + ratings WKLB does very strong. In fact in that category among the Greater Media stations in town, it is second only to WMJX, and ranks above WTKK, WROR, and WBOS. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 11 03:19:48 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:19:48 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? In-Reply-To: <4554B3FE.24729.89726D@localhost> References: <4554B3FE.24729.89726D@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611110019j3e10779cl2987b2cec174ed88@mail.gmail.com> After 5 pm, their DJ said "Coming soon, we'll have big news about WKLB"...later, "We're changing the way you'll be hearing WKLB". A few hours after that their night DJ announced the country995.com website and mentioned merchandise one can buy--"pretty soon, these will be collectors' items" (as in, the OLD freq is on them...) And while we're at it come next month we'll be getting used to their "new" legal IDs: WKLB Waltham-Boston WCRB Lowell-Boston... From paul@derrynh.net Sat Nov 11 07:01:16 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:01:16 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611110019j3e10779cl2987b2cec174ed88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c70589$17af4790$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> That's WKLB-FM Waltham-Boston (There's still a WKLB(AM) on the air somewhere???) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:20 AM To: A. Joseph Ross; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? After 5 pm, their DJ said "Coming soon, we'll have big news about WKLB"...later, "We're changing the way you'll be hearing WKLB". A few hours after that their night DJ announced the country995.com website and mentioned merchandise one can buy--"pretty soon, these will be collectors' items" (as in, the OLD freq is on them...) And while we're at it come next month we'll be getting used to their "new" legal IDs: WKLB Waltham-Boston WCRB Lowell-Boston... From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 11 07:45:33 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:45:33 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? References: <00cb01c70589$17af4790$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <001901c7058f$4b2f4600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> 1290 Manchester KY, 5 kW-D/35W-N. I have no idea where in KY Manchester is, but I bet they laahk thur kntry myoozik there. Actually, they may like bluegrass more than country, but there aren't too many places left where you can hear bluegrass on the radio. Cambridge MA is one (WHRB). Some might say that bluegrass is a sub-genre of country, but country has gotten so far away from its bluegrass roots that I don't think there is much of a connection between the two any more. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:01 AM Subject: RE: WKLB announcement? > That's WKLB-FM Waltham-Boston (There's still a WKLB(AM) on the air > somewhere???) > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Bob Nelson > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:20 AM > To: A. Joseph Ross; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? > > After 5 pm, their DJ said "Coming soon, we'll have big news about > WKLB"...later, > "We're changing the way you'll be hearing WKLB". A few hours after that > their > night DJ announced the country995.com website and mentioned merchandise one > can buy--"pretty soon, these will be collectors' items" (as in, the > OLD freq is on them...) > > And while we're at it come next month we'll be getting used to their > "new" legal IDs: > > WKLB Waltham-Boston > WCRB Lowell-Boston... > From sid@wrko.com Sat Nov 11 08:24:14 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:24:14 -0700 Subject: WKLB announcement? Message-ID: >>There's still a WKLB(AM) on the air somewhere???<< Yep...1290 in Manchester, Kentucky. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Nov 11 08:46:57 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? References: <00cb01c70589$17af4790$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001901c7058f$4b2f4600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <011601c70597$dc027e60$6401a8c0@pastor2> Re WKLB AM and FM: I know of a couple of instances in which the new owners of two local broadcasting stations that share a common heritage but have lately been separated (e.g. WISN (AM) and -TV Milwaukee and WABI (AM) and -TV Bangor) have agreed that each station can keep its historic call letters, but I've never known of an instance like this one. I'm assuming Greater Media doesn't own the Kentucky WKLB. So how can two stations in two different communities, owned by two different companies, be granted the same call letters, even if one is AM and the other FM? Sounds to me like an open invitation to confusion. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? > 1290 Manchester KY, 5 kW-D/35W-N. I have no idea where in KY Manchester is, > but I bet they laahk thur kntry myoozik there. Actually, they may like > bluegrass more than country, but there aren't too many places left where you > can hear bluegrass on the radio. Cambridge MA is one (WHRB). Some might say > that bluegrass is a sub-genre of country, but country has gotten so far away > from its bluegrass roots that I don't think there is much of a connection > between the two any more. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hopfgarten" > To: "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" > ; > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:01 AM > Subject: RE: WKLB announcement? > > > > That's WKLB-FM Waltham-Boston (There's still a WKLB(AM) on the air > > somewhere???) > > > > Paul Hopfgarten > > Derry NH > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > > Bob Nelson > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:20 AM > > To: A. Joseph Ross; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? > > > > After 5 pm, their DJ said "Coming soon, we'll have big news about > > WKLB"...later, > > "We're changing the way you'll be hearing WKLB". A few hours after that > > their > > night DJ announced the country995.com website and mentioned merchandise > one > > can buy--"pretty soon, these will be collectors' items" (as in, the > > OLD freq is on them...) > > > > And while we're at it come next month we'll be getting used to their > > "new" legal IDs: > > > > WKLB Waltham-Boston > > WCRB Lowell-Boston... > > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 11 10:17:52 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? In-Reply-To: <011601c70597$dc027e60$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <00cb01c70589$17af4790$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> <001901c7058f$4b2f4600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011601c70597$dc027e60$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611110717r3ab94defmff61ffd8dea0b336@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Paul for the correction; I wasn't aware there was a WKLB (AM). In the past an aircheck trader would send me a blues show from what was then WCBR-FM 92.7 in Arlington Heights, IL, and he pointed out that there WAS a WCBR (AM) way over in Richmond, KY. No relation at all...These days the 92.7 in Arlington Heights IL is known as WKIE. From mamros@MIT.EDU Sat Nov 11 12:09:42 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:09:42 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:17:38 EST." <1fbbbced0611110017l35e7d872qa25605ec5d6ac56e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611111709.kABH9gUM029991@mint-square.mit.edu> >I'm sure they'll keep it country--I don't know about the 25-54 >numbers, but in the >12 + ratings WKLB does very strong. In fact in that category among the >Greater Media >stations in town, it is second only to WMJX, and ranks above WTKK, WROR, >and WBOS. Speaking of which... It may be much ado about nothing, but I have noticed a subtle change in WBOS' prerecorded legal IDs lately. Previously, they used to say, "92.9, WBOS Brookline-Boston, a Greater Media station". They've just recently (within the last few weeks) dropped the "a Greater Media station" part. Have the other stations done that, too? If not, it makes me wonder if other changes might be brewing... -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From attychase@comcast.net Sat Nov 11 12:25:59 2006 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:25:59 -0500 Subject: Bob and Ray References: Message-ID: <000301c705b6$7527fc50$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> I haven't gone through the following site yet to see if said speech is included. http://www.archive.org/details/otr_bobandray > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:50:00 -0500 > From: "Laurence Glavin" > Subject: Re: Election coverage review > To: "A. Joseph Ross" > Cc: Boston Radio > Message-ID: <20061110235000.807BF1024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "A. Joseph Ross" >>To: "Laurence Glavin" >>Subject: Re: Election coverage review >>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:56:08 -0500 > > >>There was a Ray Goulding concession speech? > > This was a comedy bit I beleve on their "Bob and Ray Two and Only" > album. Bob was interviewing a candidate who lost, > expecting a conventional, gracious concession speech. > Instead, Ray went into an extended diatribe against > his opponent and the people who voted for him. This description > doesn't do justice to the hilarity of the skit. From sid@wrko.com Sat Nov 11 12:53:04 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:53:04 -0700 Subject: WKLB announcement? Message-ID: >>So how can two stations in two different communities, owned by two different companies, be granted the same call letters, even if one is AM and the other FM? Sounds to me like an open invitation to confusion.<< FCC rules permit it, as long as the first user of the call sign gives written permission to the second or third proposed user. Yes, it's theoretically possible for a call sign to be used in all three broadcast services by three different owners. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 12:09:19 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRN speculation Message-ID: <20061111170919.62992.qmail@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Earlier this week, I speculated that WCRN's (830 Worcester) picking up the Red Sox might be a sign Entercom could be acquiring 830. My thinking: Why would Entercom allow a station pursuing an upgrade, one that could be a competitor to WRKO's format, join the network -- unless there would be some benefit for WRKO? This morning, I received an e-mail from the WCRN folks saying, point blank, the station is not on the market. Still, in theory, I think an 830/850 combo could be enticing down the line. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Nov 11 13:29:57 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:29:57 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? References: Message-ID: <014901c705bf$643cb120$6401a8c0@pastor2> Thanks, Sid. Interesting. I had no idea this was the case. I can think of instances when heritage calls in a particular city SHOULD have been shared but one owner wouldn't give in. I understand such was the case with the WKBW calls in Buffalo. It always thought it awkward when Entercom was running the oldies format on WWKB, replete with the old jingles, but the WKBW-TV owners wouldn't let the company have the original call letters. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? > >>So how can two stations in two different communities, owned by two > different companies, be granted the same call letters, even if one is AM > and the other FM? Sounds to me like an open invitation to confusion.<< > > FCC rules permit it, as long as the first user of the call sign gives > written permission to the second or third proposed user. Yes, it's > theoretically possible for a call sign to be used in all three broadcast > services by three different owners. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 11 13:29:57 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:29:57 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? References: Message-ID: <003501c705bf$683143e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Wouldn't that be at least FOUR broadcast services? LP is one more (and can be used either on an FM or a TV station, but I can't imagine a Wxxx-LP on TV and an unrelated--or even a related--Wxxx-LP on FM, where xxx is the same in both cases). I also can't imagine the FCC knowingly allowing the DT and TV suffixes to be appended to the identical "base" calls if the stations aren't commonly owned and in the same market. But isn't there at least one more broadcast suffix--CA? What's that all about? Can't be for California, as in the USPS abbreviation, or Canada as in Internet domain names. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: WKLB announcement? > >>So how can two stations in two different communities, owned by two > different companies, be granted the same call letters, even if one is AM > and the other FM? Sounds to me like an open invitation to confusion.<< > > FCC rules permit it, as long as the first user of the call sign gives > written permission to the second or third proposed user. Yes, it's > theoretically possible for a call sign to be used in all three broadcast > services by three different owners. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 14:19:46 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:19:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRN speculation In-Reply-To: <004101c705c4$ffd49800$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20061111191946.23852.qmail@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > WCRN may not be for sale but I think that if Entercom were to acquire > it, > they'd be more likely to pair it with 680 than with 850. The reason > is that, > at least at night, the 680 signal is weaker to the west than the 850 > signal--until you reach Marlborough, where neither signal is likely > to be > listenable at night, but the 680 signal is slightly stronger (because > attenuation vs distance occurs more rapidly at the higher carrier > frequency). > > If 830 and 850 were in a simulcast and both stations ran IBOC, I > think you'd > have the interesting phenomenon of a region (east of Framingham and > west of > Needham) where neither signal could be received--at least in the > digital > mode--even though both stations were carrying the same program. > > Even if 830 and 850 were not simulcasting, the area where neither one > could > be received in digital mode would still exist, but the irony of the > HD Radio > system failing because of interference between two stations carrying > the > same program would be lacking. The problem is that HD Radio requires > that > both digital sidebands be present and not be receiving much > interference. If > stations on second-adjacent channels cover the same area, the upper > digital > sideband of the station on the lower frequency and the lower digital > sideband of the station on the higher frequency both occupy the > (supposedly > unoccupied) channel in the middle. In this case WCRN's upper digital > sideband and WEEI's lower digital sideband would both occupy the > spectrum > between 835 and 845 kHz--that is, the spectrum allocated to 840. HD > Radio > receivers can't handle such situations. With luck, the receiver would > "fall > back" to analog mode, but it also might produce no audio output. Dan, as usual, good points, given the progression toward HD radio. I was just thinking, if you're going to simulcast on an outlying station, why not simulcast stations close in frequency -- if you're using a dial tuner, odds are you'll not miss both stations. Of course, since dial tuners are less and less common today, though still out there, it doesn't matter as much. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 11 14:09:51 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Subject: WCRN speculation References: <20061111170919.62992.qmail@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c705c4$ffd49800$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WCRN may not be for sale but I think that if Entercom were to acquire it, they'd be more likely to pair it with 680 than with 850. The reason is that, at least at night, the 680 signal is weaker to the west than the 850 signal--until you reach Marlborough, where neither signal is likely to be listenable at night, but the 680 signal is slightly stronger (because attenuation vs distance occurs more rapidly at the higher carrier frequency). If 830 and 850 were in a simulcast and both stations ran IBOC, I think you'd have the interesting phenomenon of a region (east of Framingham and west of Needham) where neither signal could be received--at least in the digital mode--even though both stations were carrying the same program. Even if 830 and 850 were not simulcasting, the area where neither one could be received in digital mode would still exist, but the irony of the HD Radio system failing because of interference between two stations carrying the same program would be lacking. The problem is that HD Radio requires that both digital sidebands be present and not be receiving much interference. If stations on second-adjacent channels cover the same area, the upper digital sideband of the station on the lower frequency and the lower digital sideband of the station on the higher frequency both occupy the (supposedly unoccupied) channel in the middle. In this case WCRN's upper digital sideband and WEEI's lower digital sideband would both occupy the spectrum between 835 and 845 kHz--that is, the spectrum allocated to 840. HD Radio receivers can't handle such situations. With luck, the receiver would "fall back" to analog mode, but it also might produce no audio output. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: WCRN speculation > Earlier this week, I speculated that WCRN's (830 Worcester) picking up > the Red Sox might be a sign Entercom could be acquiring 830. My > thinking: Why would Entercom allow a station pursuing an upgrade, one > that could be a competitor to WRKO's format, join the network -- unless > there would be some benefit for WRKO? > > This morning, I received an e-mail from the WCRN folks saying, point > blank, the station is not on the market. > > Still, in theory, I think an 830/850 combo could be enticing down the line. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com From sid@wrko.com Sat Nov 11 15:08:22 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:08:22 -0700 Subject: WKLB announcement? Message-ID: >>Wouldn't that be at least FOUR broadcast services? LP is one more...<< You're right, LP would be a fourth service. >>isn't there at least one more broadcast suffix--CA? What's that all about? Can't be for California, as in the USPS abbreviation, or Canada as in Internet domain names.<< IIRC, CA is the abbreviation for the Cable Television Relay Service. Please correct me if I'm wrong or out of date on that (wouldn't be the first time). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 11 17:57:14 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:57:14 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcement? In-Reply-To: <003501c705bf$683143e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <003501c705bf$683143e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <17750.21834.639612.429216@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I also can't imagine the FCC knowingly allowing the DT and TV > suffixes to be appended to the identical "base" calls if the stations aren't > commonly owned and in the same market. Which is one reason why there isn't a separate "DT" suffix. (People have claimed otherwise, but I've scoured the rules, and although there are "LD" and "CD" suffixes, there's no "DT" -- and can't be, because DTVs are part of the same license as the analogue stations they are the companions to.) > But isn't there at least one more broadcast suffix--CA? What's that > all about? "Class A TV" -- basically a jumped-up LPTV that's considered a primary service. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 12 12:15:04 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:15:04 -0500 Subject: BRW: WCRB, Severin-by-the-sea Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611120915p5a9c69bamd5259aef27b041b6@mail.gmail.com> Boston Radio Watch's new online issue has items about the WCRB move to 99.5 (two local hosts will instead be going to their WBACH classical network in Maine) and Jay Severin's new manse in Manchester-by-the-Sea. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sun Nov 12 14:22:33 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:22:33 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <45577479.4040609@Gmail.com> Our esteened councilor, A. Joseph Ross, J.D., wrote, > I heard the announcement today. They seem to be mentioning it > with each liner, something like "on Boston's classical music > station, WCRB, moving to 99.5 FM December First." Hmmm, I wonder if a CALL change is in order: WCRB-Charles River Broadcasting.... | | | V V V WMRB-Merrimack River Broadcasting???? P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From me@billoneill.us Sun Nov 12 14:26:05 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:26:05 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <45577479.4040609@Gmail.com> References: <45577479.4040609@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <4557754D.9080403@billoneill.us> WMRB-Merrimack River Broadcasting???? > > P=) P=) P=) > > ~Kaimbridge~ Flush twice; it's a long way to Lawrence. Sorry. For old time's sake. Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 12 14:55:24 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <200611111709.kABH9gUM029991@mint-square.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:17:38 EST." <1fbbbced0611110017l35e7d872qa25605ec5d6ac56e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455735DC.807.31C3EA@localhost> On 11 Nov 2006 at 12:09, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Speaking of which... It may be much ado about nothing, but I have > noticed a subtle change in WBOS' prerecorded legal IDs lately. > Previously, they used to say, "92.9, WBOS Brookline-Boston, a Greater > Media station". They've just recently (within the last few weeks) > dropped the "a Greater Media station" part. Have the other stations > done that, too? If not, it makes me wonder if other changes might be > brewing... Well, while I've been listening to WKLB this weekend, I haven't noticed any mention of Greater Media. WCRB mentions the move to 99.5 with every liner and never says anything about 102.5 any more. WKLB still keeps calling itself "Country 99.5." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 12 14:55:24 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611110017l35e7d872qa25605ec5d6ac56e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4555135D.25938.4E3863@localhost> Message-ID: <455735DC.8135.31C36F@localhost> On 11 Nov 2006 at 3:17, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Well, for what it's worth, I've been listening to WKLB-FM for the > > past hour and a half, and I haven't heard a single mention of the > > move. I wonder whether WKLB is actually what Greater Media is going > > to do with 102.5. > > I have... > > --"Coming soon, there will be big changes coming to WKLB--details > coming soon" > > --"Soon we'll be changing the way you hear WKLB" Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning something else. > Their nighttime DJ mentioned their website, especially the merchandise > for sale, and said "these will soon be collector's items". Meaning > they have the old freq on them (T-shirts, etc.)! Still no mention of > the freq switch on either station's site. > > Am sure they'll emphasize people can get their site at wklb.com and > surely even after the switch, they will have country995.com re-direct > to the wklb.com page. I think star937.com was redirected to the new > "Mike" site for a time... I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, in the first place. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 12 14:55:24 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <45577479.4040609@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <455735DC.30822.31C464@localhost> On 12 Nov 2006 at 19:22, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Hmmm, I wonder if a CALL change is in order: > > WCRB-Charles River Broadcasting.... > | | | > V V V > WMRB-Merrimack River Broadcasting???? I suppose they could, but that's not the name of their company. And after all, the WEEI calls still exist, even though they no longer stand for "Edison Electric Illuminating." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 12 14:55:24 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: Bob and Ray In-Reply-To: <000301c705b6$7527fc50$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <455735DC.14054.31C2E8@localhost> On 11 Nov 2006 at 12:25, Robert S Chase wrote: > I haven't gone through the following site yet to see if said speech is > included. http://www.archive.org/details/otr_bobandray Guess I'll have to look through that site. Thanks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Sun Nov 12 15:11:36 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:11:36 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <45577479.4040609@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c70696$c1fad210$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Or keep WCRB for COUNTRY RADIO BOSTON!!!! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:23 PM To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Our esteened councilor, A. Joseph Ross, J.D., wrote, > I heard the announcement today. They seem to be mentioning it > with each liner, something like "on Boston's classical music > station, WCRB, moving to 99.5 FM December First." Hmmm, I wonder if a CALL change is in order: WCRB-Charles River Broadcasting.... | | | V V V WMRB-Merrimack River Broadcasting???? P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia-Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 12 15:49:50 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:49:50 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <002a01c7069c$1d286580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Joe Ross wrote: Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning something else. I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, in the first place. ----- Don't you get that GM doesn't want people tuning to another frequency three weeks early? They are afraid of losing the audience. >From what I hear, WKLB's ratings are EXCELLENT but their billings are not commensurate. No radio company in its right mind would turn its back on those audience numbers! What GM wants is for everyone who currently listens to WKLB on 99.5 and is also in range of 102.5 to keep listening to 99.5 right up to December 1, at which point they want all of those listeners to switch to 102.5 (and, importantly, to change the presets on their car radios). I guess that on December 1, WKLB will silently bid farewell to the relatively small fraction of its audience that lives in the northern reaches of the 99.5 coverage area, beyond the range of the 102.5 signal. Those listeners will move to 97.5, which has been WKLB's major New Hampshire competition ever since the WKLB calls settled at 99.5. (97.5 is the former WDNH in Durham; I can't remember the current calls; they must end in PQ to go with the calls on the Mt Washington simulcast--WKPQ? on 103.7, I believe. In any event, the Durham station has had a country format forever and is very successful.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Nov 12 16:06:31 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:06:31 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <002a01c7069c$1d286580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <06bf01c7069e$6e2b4f40$6500a8c0@Office> Dover is WOKQ Privacy Notice: The information provided in this communication is intended only for the individual / firm named above. It is considered privileged and confidential by the sender and as such only the intended recipient is authorized to receive it. If this information is received by anyone other than to whom it is directed, please notify the sender immediately. The discussion, disclosure or any release or other use of this information by any individual, other than to whom it was directed, is strictly prohibited by law. If you believe that you have received this e-mail in error, kindly contact the sender immediately for further instructions. Thank you, in advance, for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:50 PM To: A. Joseph Ross; Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Joe Ross wrote: Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning something else. I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, in the first place. ----- Don't you get that GM doesn't want people tuning to another frequency three weeks early? They are afraid of losing the audience. >From what I hear, WKLB's ratings are EXCELLENT but their billings are >not commensurate. No radio company in its right mind would turn its back on those audience numbers! What GM wants is for everyone who currently listens to WKLB on 99.5 and is also in range of 102.5 to keep listening to 99.5 right up to December 1, at which point they want all of those listeners to switch to 102.5 (and, importantly, to change the presets on their car radios). I guess that on December 1, WKLB will silently bid farewell to the relatively small fraction of its audience that lives in the northern reaches of the 99.5 coverage area, beyond the range of the 102.5 signal. Those listeners will move to 97.5, which has been WKLB's major New Hampshire competition ever since the WKLB calls settled at 99.5. (97.5 is the former WDNH in Durham; I can't remember the current calls; they must end in PQ to go with the calls on the Mt Washington simulcast--WKPQ? on 103.7, I believe. In any event, the Durham station has had a country format forever and is very successful.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Nov 12 17:04:00 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:04:00 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <002a01c7069c$1d286580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003401c706a6$75e8b030$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > Joe Ross wrote: > > Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that > "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what > they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the > information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning > something else. > > I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put > WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, > there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, > in the first place. > ----- How about (strictly speculating here), putting country on 92.9 and finally putting WBOS out of its misery. That frees up another channel for something that might make money. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Ofc: +1-978-538-7575 Fax: +1-978-538-7550 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Nov 12 16:24:19 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:24:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAPT Jackson, MS Message-ID: <20061112212419.25561.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> If anyone has gone to see the great social commentary, "Borat," you will notice that there is footage from a newscast on WAPT Jackson, MS. (Coincidentally, this is another Hearst-Argyle station, so you'll get the Channel 5 theme music as well, but I digress.) The footage is not mocked up for the film; it's straight from a 2005 newscast. This link provides a little more background on the stunt: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061106/FEAT05/611060303. My question: Has any other TV station been "had" in such a manner before? Other than the Opie and Anthony guys floating in the back of NYC live shots, of course. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From paul@derrynh.net Sun Nov 12 17:46:59 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:46:59 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <002a01c7069c$1d286580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001801c706ac$77013d60$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> WOKQ (97.5 Dover)/WPKQ (103.7 North Conway)/W250AB (97.9 Manchester)which is a 250w TX that's listenable about 20mi any direction from Manchester -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:50 PM To: A. Joseph Ross; Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Joe Ross wrote: Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning something else. I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, in the first place. ----- Don't you get that GM doesn't want people tuning to another frequency three weeks early? They are afraid of losing the audience. >From what I hear, WKLB's ratings are EXCELLENT but their billings are not commensurate. No radio company in its right mind would turn its back on those audience numbers! What GM wants is for everyone who currently listens to WKLB on 99.5 and is also in range of 102.5 to keep listening to 99.5 right up to December 1, at which point they want all of those listeners to switch to 102.5 (and, importantly, to change the presets on their car radios). I guess that on December 1, WKLB will silently bid farewell to the relatively small fraction of its audience that lives in the northern reaches of the 99.5 coverage area, beyond the range of the 102.5 signal. Those listeners will move to 97.5, which has been WKLB's major New Hampshire competition ever since the WKLB calls settled at 99.5. (97.5 is the former WDNH in Durham; I can't remember the current calls; they must end in PQ to go with the calls on the Mt Washington simulcast--WKPQ? on 103.7, I believe. In any event, the Durham station has had a country format forever and is very successful.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From paul@derrynh.net Sun Nov 12 17:49:35 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:49:35 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <003401c706a6$75e8b030$6800a8c0@Andrastea> Message-ID: <001901c706ac$d40b4b40$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> That's be ironic, considering that's what WBOS played from July '83 to Apr '89 (I still remember them stunting out of Country with a continuous loop of Johnny Paycheck's "Take this Job and Shove it") -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Vita Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:04 PM To: 'Dan Strassberg'; 'A. Joseph Ross'; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > Joe Ross wrote: > > Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that > "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what > they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the > information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning > something else. > > I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put > WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, > there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, > in the first place. > ----- How about (strictly speculating here), putting country on 92.9 and finally putting WBOS out of its misery. That frees up another channel for something that might make money. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Ofc: +1-978-538-7575 Fax: +1-978-538-7550 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 12 18:15:32 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:15:32 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? References: <001901c706ac$d40b4b40$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000e01c706b0$806ebc20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Note to those who will want to take me to task for posting something so ridiculous: I'M KIDDING! How about moving the AAA to 102.5 because the classical music listeners who can't learn to tune to 99.5 are more likely to be happy with AAA? And putting country on 92.9 because the station had a country format a generation ago and, naturally, everyone is still in the habit of tuning to 92.9 for country? And maybe someone can come up with a story on how 92.9's Pru Center location is more compatible with the country demographic and 102.5's Route 128 location is more compatible with the AAA demographic. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: ; "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: RE: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > That's be ironic, considering that's what WBOS played from July '83 to Apr > '89 (I still remember them stunting out of Country with a continuous loop of > Johnny Paycheck's "Take this Job and Shove it") > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Vita > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:04 PM > To: 'Dan Strassberg'; 'A. Joseph Ross'; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > > > Joe Ross wrote: > > > > Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that > > "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what > > they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the > > information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning > > something else. > > > > I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put > > WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, > > there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, > > in the first place. > > ----- > > How about (strictly speculating here), putting country on 92.9 and finally > putting WBOS out of its misery. That frees up another channel for something > that might make money. > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > Ofc: +1-978-538-7575 > Fax: +1-978-538-7550 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sun Nov 12 18:24:29 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:24:29 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <000e01c706b0$806ebc20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003001c706b1$b3d46e10$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> OUCH! I was also kidding, just noting that 92.9's "format of the month club" ((as has been called by this group in the past) once did cross the path of Country) Oh, and saying the 80's was a generation ago.....DOUBLE OUCH! , then LOL -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH (member of NH's new MINORITY party in legislature) TRIPLE OUCH!!! -----Original Message----- From: Dan Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:16 PM To: paul@derrynh.net; Brian Vita; 'A. Joseph Ross'; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Note to those who will want to take me to task for posting something so ridiculous: I'M KIDDING! How about moving the AAA to 102.5 because the classical music listeners who can't learn to tune to 99.5 are more likely to be happy with AAA? And putting country on 92.9 because the station had a country format a generation ago and, naturally, everyone is still in the habit of tuning to 92.9 for country? And maybe someone can come up with a story on how 92.9's Pru Center location is more compatible with the country demographic and 102.5's Route 128 location is more compatible with the AAA demographic. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: ; "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: RE: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > That's be ironic, considering that's what WBOS played from July '83 to Apr > '89 (I still remember them stunting out of Country with a continuous loop of > Johnny Paycheck's "Take this Job and Shove it") > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Vita > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:04 PM > To: 'Dan Strassberg'; 'A. Joseph Ross'; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > > > Joe Ross wrote: > > > > Yes, I finally heard that once yesterday and once today. Only that > > "Big Changes are coming soon to WKLB," with no explanation of what > > they are. Either they think their audience can't take in the > > information of a frequency shift all at once or they are planning > > something else. > > > > I wonder whether they plan something else for 102.5 and plan to put > > WKLB on the Web and/or on a secondary digital channel. After all, > > there was a reason why they put WKLB on their weakest signal, 99.5, > > in the first place. > > ----- > > How about (strictly speculating here), putting country on 92.9 and finally > putting WBOS out of its misery. That frees up another channel for something > that might make money. > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > Ofc: +1-978-538-7575 > Fax: +1-978-538-7550 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Sun Nov 12 22:54:41 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:54:41 -0500 Subject: Bob and Ray In-Reply-To: <455735DC.14054.31C2E8@localhost> References: <000301c705b6$7527fc50$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> <455735DC.14054.31C2E8@localhost> Message-ID: <521b7fd10611121954n3db8cc6dkf37264e7fa448a6f@mail.gmail.com> > On 11 Nov 2006 at 12:25, Robert S Chase wrote: > > > I haven't gone through the following site yet to see if said speech is > > included. http://www.archive.org/details/otr_bobandray I just downloaded most of them (I'm a bit of a Bob and Ray nut) I have the WHDH shows but not the WOR shows... I will start listening to them tonight. Thanks for the link, Robert! -- -Rick Kelly northeastairchecks.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Nov 13 00:04:56 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:04:56 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <001901c706ac$d40b4b40$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <003401c706a6$75e8b030$6800a8c0@Andrastea> <001901c706ac$d40b4b40$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611122104s71288f5bo992720da320235c2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/06, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > That's be ironic, considering that's what WBOS played from July '83 to Apr > '89 (I still remember them stunting out of Country with a continuous loop of > Johnny Paycheck's "Take this Job and Shove it") They were alternative rock/album rock before country. I still remember a line in Boston Rock magazine, describing the format change as "The day 'The Boss' became 'The Hoss'"... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Nov 13 00:16:33 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:16:33 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <000e01c706b0$806ebc20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001901c706ac$d40b4b40$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> <000e01c706b0$806ebc20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611122116k5291642dja953e22ead440484@mail.gmail.com> > And maybe someone can come up with a story on how 92.9's Pru Center location > is more compatible with the country demographic and 102.5's Route 128 > location is more compatible with the AAA demographic. Speaking of tower location, Greater Media picked up WBOS and what was then WOAZ (99.5) in 1997, and on August 22 of that year (am using bostonradio.org archives for reference), they flipped formats. WKLB calls and format went to 99.5 while 96.9 became smooth jazz as WSJZ (just over two years later, they went to a talk format). It was thought that country would do better from the 99.5 stick in Andover (Essex County, northern MA, southern NH) while the more citified folk in Boston could enjoy smooth jazz from the top of the Pru. WKLB (nee WCLB) is the wanderer, they call it the wanderer, it roams around and 'round and 'round: 105.7 to 96.9 to 99.5 to 102.5 Have noted in the past that several stations in Cleveland are not only on the same dial positions as Boston but they have the same format. The country example of this will soon expire, but for now: 850 in both cities: sports (WEEI, WKNR) 1260 in both cities; Radio Disney (WMKI, WWMK) for now, 99.5 in both cities: country (WKLB, WGAR) 105.7 in both cities: oldies/classic rock (WROR, WMJI) 89.7 in both cities/areas: public (WGBH-FM, WKSU Kent) and so on. And Boston and Cleveland also have stations, but with NOT the same format, on: 1150, 1300, 1330, 107.9, 107.3 (if you lump Worcester area in with Boston), 104.9, 104.1, 103.3, 100.7, 98.5... From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 13 00:18:02 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:18:02 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <002a01c7069c$1d286580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4557B9BA.14697.234F277@localhost> On 12 Nov 2006 at 15:49, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Don't you get that GM doesn't want people tuning to another frequency > three weeks early? They are afraid of losing the audience. Are they really afraid that country music fans are going to switch to WCRB if they mention the new frequency too early? > From what I hear, WKLB's ratings are EXCELLENT but their billings are > not commensurate. No radio company in its right mind would turn its > back on those audience numbers! What GM wants is for everyone who > currently listens to WKLB on 99.5 and is also in range of 102.5 to > keep listening to 99.5 right up to December 1, at which point they > want all of those listeners to switch to 102.5 (and, importantly, to > change the presets on their car radios). How are listeners going to do that if they don't tell them the new frequency? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Nov 13 00:37:25 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:37:25 -0500 Subject: WAPT Jackson, MS In-Reply-To: <20061112212419.25561.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061112212419.25561.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611122137g5efc6b5bwf0291d05e3008c2c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/06, Sean Smyth wrote: > My question: Has any other TV station been "had" in such a manner > before? Other than the Opie and Anthony guys floating in the back of > NYC live shots, of course. Media satirists Negativland cancelled a tour in 1988 because they figured it wouldn't make money. Then they noticed a story somewhere about 16 year old David Brom in Minnesota who murdered his family. The band told KPIX-TV in San Francisco that their song "Christianity Is Stupid" may have inspired the teen to murder his family and that "federal authorities" made them cancel their tour and they couldn't leave their homes in the Oakland/Concord, CA area. Reporter Hal Eisner interviewed them. Band member Don Joyce was heard to say that it was "ridiculous" that the song might have inspired the boy to do his evil deed. "It's hard to listen to the cut and not laugh." Then other media outlets picked up on the "story" and it spread quickly even though most outlets simply repeated the story and didn't bother to check it out further. The hoax was featured on the band's 1989 album "Helter Stupid" and a 1990s video by the band featured the KPIX "Eyewitness News" story on them. http://www.answers.com/topic/helter-stupid From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Nov 13 08:24:43 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:24:43 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? References: <4557B9BA.14697.234F277@localhost> Message-ID: <01e701c70727$153aea10$6401a8c0@pastor2> Though I live in Maine, I drive the upper half of 495 several times a year and then head west on Route 2 to visit family in the Fitchburg-Gardner area. 99.5 has by far the better signal over the entire route --- loud and clear from York County to Worcester County. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > On 12 Nov 2006 at 15:49, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > Don't you get that GM doesn't want people tuning to another frequency > > three weeks early? They are afraid of losing the audience. > > Are they really afraid that country music fans are going to switch to > WCRB if they mention the new frequency too early? > > > From what I hear, WKLB's ratings are EXCELLENT but their billings are > > not commensurate. No radio company in its right mind would turn its > > back on those audience numbers! What GM wants is for everyone who > > currently listens to WKLB on 99.5 and is also in range of 102.5 to > > keep listening to 99.5 right up to December 1, at which point they > > want all of those listeners to switch to 102.5 (and, importantly, to > > change the presets on their car radios). > > How are listeners going to do that if they don't tell them the new > frequency? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 13 08:27:48 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:27:48 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? References: <4557B9BA.14697.234F277@localhost> Message-ID: <002201c70727$8af85d00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> They'll probably let them know a few days in advance and will almost certainly make announcements for a while after the switch has taken effect, as in "If you tuned to 99.5 for country music, you'll find it now at 102.5 FM. And don't forget to reset the 'country' button on your car radio. Remember, Boston's favorite classical number is now 99.5 FM" The announcment on the other frequency will, of course, be the opposite. Another possibility is a period of stunting on both stations--presumably with a format that is neither country nor classical. I suppose that it might even be a simulcast on both frequencies. I wouldn't expect the stunting to last much longer than 24 hours. I bet that advertisers on both stations have already been advised about the protocol because some have contracted for spots that will be pre-empted by stunting, if any, or have contracted for spots that, now, will be heard on a frequency different from the one they thought they were buying. If the stations' rate cards differ after the flip, there will likely be concessions and make-goods. I presume that the radio industry has these protocols down to a science. After all, frequency/format flips have been going on for a long, long time. Those of us who are not in time sales would appreciate it if some who are would explain the probable protocols. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? > How are listeners going to do that if they don't tell them the new > frequency? > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 13:04:11 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <4557B9BA.14697.234F277@localhost> Message-ID: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > Are they really afraid that country music fans are going to switch to > > WCRB if they mention the new frequency too early? No, I doubt it. But what could happen is a listener may say, "Hmmm. Let me check 102.5 and see if I can pick up the signal as well [as 99.5]." Maybe they won't. So they'll start searching for other options. Then they may stumble on WOKQ or another outlet, depending on where they live, that they take a notion to. And they'll never go back to WKLB. You've lost a listener. As we know, the public is fickle. Once you've lost a listener, for whatever sundry reason, generally you've lost them for good. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 13 13:54:52 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:54:52 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4557B9BA.14697.234F277@localhost> Message-ID: <4558792C.18101.2098E0@localhost> On 13 Nov 2006 Sean Smyth wrote: > But what could happen is a listener may say, "Hmmm. Let me check 102.5 > and see if I can pick up the signal as well [as 99.5]." Maybe they > won't. So they'll start searching for other options. Then they may > stumble on WOKQ or another outlet, depending on where they live, that > they take a notion to. And they'll never go back to WKLB. You've lost > a listener. A listener who will be lost anyway when the switch happens, if they can't pick up 102.5. > As we know, the public is fickle. Once you've lost a listener, for > whatever sundry reason, generally you've lost them for good. Which will happen anyway after the switch. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Mon Nov 13 14:59:18 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4558CE96.9090309@billoneill.us> Sean Smyth wrote: > As we know, the public is fickle. Once you've lost a listener, for > whatever sundry reason, generally you've lost them for good. I'm not so sure. Most stations who lose listeners have generally gone out of their way to disenfranchise that listener (share). For instance, it blows my mind that a 100 kW flamethrower like WEZF (92.9 Burlington) would shift to "holiday music" six weeks in advance of what was at one point in time, Christmas. And then, the idiot stunting is over and then it's back to lame attempts at returning to relevance. And it works (so say the pundits.) As for ratings, the terrestrial radio pie is definitely shrinking concurrent with the paradoxical rise in station sale prices. Bill O'Neill From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Nov 13 15:52:28 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:52:28 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <4558CE96.9090309@billoneill.us> References: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4558CE96.9090309@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <17752.56076.525785.474559@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > As for ratings, the terrestrial radio pie is definitely shrinking > concurrent with the paradoxical rise in station sale prices. An interesting personal observation, though.... My car, which I bought almost two years ago, came with a factory XM receiver. I listened to XM a lot in the first year of ownership (particularly BBCWS on channel 131, and the "decades" channels 8 and 9). I have listened to it relatively little this year (despite having paid $toomuch for the subscription extension). Now that hockey season has begun, I found myself turning it on again for the first time in a few months. I was absolutely blown away by how hideous the audio sounds -- not just on the BBC, which was always awful, but now on the music channels as well. I don't think they're likely to keep my as a sub next year. And when the time comes to replace it, I'm not at all certain what I will do. -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 13 15:56:31 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:56:31 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <17752.56076.525785.474559@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <4558CE96.9090309@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <455895AF.32562.900060@localhost> On 13 Nov 2006 Garrett Wollman wrote: > I don't think they're likely to keep my as a sub next year. And when > the time comes to replace it, I'm not at all certain what I will do. I wonder whether Sirius is better. For that matter, are you sure there isn't something wrong with your receiver? Last night I saw an ad for "Sirius radio" on TV. I thought I'd rather have humorous radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 15:57:54 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <4558792C.18101.2098E0@localhost> Message-ID: <20061113205754.21559.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > > As we know, the public is fickle. Once you've lost a listener, for > > whatever sundry reason, generally you've lost them for good. > > Which will happen anyway after the switch. Why encourage it to happen a couple weeks before it needs to? And advertisers are paying a pretty penny for those post-Thanksgiving ads. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Nov 13 16:04:09 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:04:09 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <20061113210411.6DCCA1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:27:48 -0500 >Another >possibility is a period of stunting on both stations--presumably with a >format that is neither country nor classical. I suppose that it might even >be a simulcast on both frequencies. I wouldn't expect the stunt to >last much longer than 24 hours. Well, on its last day on 102.5, WCRB could play Bedrich Smetana's "Ma Vlast " (Czech for "My Country") over and over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Vlast -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Nov 13 16:09:25 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:09:25 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? Message-ID: <20061113210926.908A11158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Bill O'Neill" , "Garrett Wollman" >Subject: Re: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:56:31 -0500 >On 13 Nov 2006 Garrett Wollman wrote: > I don't think they're likely to keep my as a sub next year. And when >> the time comes to replace it, I'm not at all certain what I will do. >I wonder whether Sirius is better. For that matter, are you sure >there isn't something wrong with your receiver? >Last night I saw an ad for "Sirius radio" on TV. I thought I'd >rather have humorous radio. How about humerus radio: guaranteed to tickle your funny bone? -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 14 00:12:51 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:12:51 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <17752.56076.525785.474559@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20061113180411.26515.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4558CE96.9090309@billoneill.us> <17752.56076.525785.474559@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45595053.5040106@cssinc.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > My car, which I bought almost two years ago, came with a factory XM > receiver. I listened to XM a lot in the first year of ownership > (particularly BBCWS on channel 131, and the "decades" channels 8 and > 9). I have listened to it relatively little this year (despite having > paid $toomuch for the subscription extension). Now that hockey season > has begun, I found myself turning it on again for the first time in a > few months. I was absolutely blown away by how hideous the audio > sounds -- not just on the BBC, which was always awful, but now on the > music channels as well. > > -GAWollman > I've had XM since about a month after they went on the air. Aside from a period two years ago when they added a bunch of channels and the "voice" channels (ie CNN, FOX, ESPN, etc) got really bad, the audio quality has been, if any thing, getting better. One of the things that XM does is dynamically change the bandwith on channels depending on their use. That is to say, if you go to a hockey channel with no game being played, it will sound like a bad POTS line. Of course, they usually have a loop running saying that the channel is not active at this time. When they did their first expansion a while back, the codec on the news channel sounded really raspy with lots of artifacts. I was one of a number of people who complained and it cleared up about a week later. I believe that the radio's software has the ability to upgrade on the fly. Could it be that you haven't had the radio on long enough to pickup the full upgrade? As for the comparison of XM to Sirius, I haven't personally put them side by side. The general feedback that I get from the field is that XM sounds better and is a bit robust. In the interest of full disclosure, I am, at least on paper, a commercial XM dealer. That is to say that I can sell you XM service for your public place and have it properly licensed. They've basically peed in that pool when they allowed WallMart to sell the radios at $35 less than my cost. Business owners buy the radios and sneak them through with a personal account or buy them and activate them through XM as a commercial unit and Wallmart gets the residual. Brian Vita From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 14 00:47:04 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:47:04 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB switch Dec 1? In-Reply-To: <20061113205754.21559.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4558792C.18101.2098E0@localhost> Message-ID: <45591208.15656.2C706E@localhost> On 13 Nov 2006 at 12:57, Sean Smyth wrote: > Why encourage it to happen a couple weeks before it needs to? And > advertisers are paying a pretty penny for those post-Thanksgiving ads. Howcome WCRB isn't worried about losing listeners? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Nov 14 16:14:31 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:14:31 -0500 Subject: NYC Air America Listeners Not That Fickle Message-ID: <20061114211432.C593F164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Earlier, in the 102.5-to-99.5 thread, the concept that once you lose listeners to your frequency, you almost never get them back was uttered. Well the New York City ratings are up (don't worry, moderator, I'm not going to quote the figures) and it appears that most of those who were able to pick up Air America's new outlet, WWRL-AM 1600 indeed did so. If you look at WWRL's numbers going back a few quarters, you observe a string of zeroes UNTIL the Air America switch over; then, voila, a rating with no whole number to the left of the decimal point but enough of a number to the right of the decimal point to beat out WBBR (12-and-over that is). It's not what they had at WLIB-AM 1190, but WWRL is not only higher up the AM dial, but at least pre- sunrise and at night, much more difficult to receive than WLIB. Whether they will eventually achieve the 12-and-over rating they had on 1190 seems doubtful; and this rating doesn't reflect the performance of the "Young Turks", Sam Seder, Al franken and Randi Rhodes specifically. Incidentally, WLIB-AM seems to be doing about the same with Gospel as they did with AAR...so that's another station that got its audience back after a switch of formats. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From Dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 14 17:20:38 2006 From: Dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:20:38 +0000 Subject: NYC Air America Listeners Not That Fickle Message-ID: <111420062220.21183.455A4135000A7AAC000052BF2160281302099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020EBB@att.net> >From what I heard on AAR here, NO advanced warning of the switch was provided over the air on WLIB. ICBC did not want another station's call letters or frequency publicized on their station. A lot of listeners apparently got the word via the Internet, where bloggers did their best to get the word out about the change in frequencies. As for the Young Turks in NYC, WWRL does not carry the show. The station had, and still has, a locally produced AM-drive show, AAR could not persuade Access.One (WWRL's owner) to drop the show and take the Turks. I gather that the local show makes money. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 -------------- Original message from "Laurence Glavin" : -------------- > Earlier, in the 102.5-to-99.5 thread, the concept that once you lose > listeners to your frequency, you almost never get them back was uttered. > Well the New York City ratings are up (don't worry, moderator, I'm > not going to quote the figures) and it appears that most of those who > were able to pick up Air America's new outlet, WWRL-AM 1600 indeed > did so. If you look at WWRL's numbers going back a few quarters, > you observe a string of zeroes UNTIL the Air America switch over; > then, voila, a rating with no whole number to the left of the decimal > point but enough of a number to the right of the decimal point to beat > out WBBR (12-and-over that is). It's not what they had at WLIB-AM > 1190, but WWRL is not only higher up the AM dial, but at least pre- > sunrise and at night, much more difficult to receive than WLIB. > Whether they will eventually achieve the 12-and-over rating they > had on 1190 seems doubtful; and this rating doesn't reflect > the performance of the "Young Turks", Sam Seder, Al franken > and Randi Rhodes specifically. Incidentally, WLIB-AM seems to be doing > about the same with Gospel as they did with AAR...so that's another station > that got its audience back after a switch of formats. > > > -- > > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 02:42:45 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:42:45 -0500 Subject: Big Old 14" Reels for Automation...... Message-ID: <005501c70889$a6786bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Does anyone know someone who has one of those big old reel-to-reel machine up and running....the ones that take those BIG 14-15" reels that were mainly used for automation? I realize that they are out of use in the industry....but wondering if some hobbyist has a machine up and running. I have an old aircheck done in real time from 25 years ago, that at the time, I figured would be good to get a few hours on one reel. (Did I ever think that reel-to-reel tapes would go out of fashion? Naaaahhhh! ) Anyone on this list got any ideas if/where I can get this dubbed of onto a CD or something? Thanks! D From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 15 04:01:49 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:01:49 -0500 Subject: WKLB Freq change will be High Noon (12/1), pardner Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611150101p5aeb6cdfif98ecec28172802f@mail.gmail.com> Word from the WKLB VIP Club is that the actual time of the freq switch will be at high noon, buckaroo, on Dec. 1. Alert to aircheckers! >> Remember, the time and date for this change is FRIDAY DECEMBER 1ST AT NOON! ...COUNTRY 102.5 WKLB From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 15 05:29:47 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:29:47 -0500 Subject: WKLB Freq change will be High Noon (12/1), pardner In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611150101p5aeb6cdfif98ecec28172802f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009701c708a0$f99e9e20$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> I still have a copy of the WKLB switch from 96.9 to 99.5 (as well as the WOAZ 99.5 to WSJZ 96.9 side of the switch) That was a 12 Noon switch as well.... _Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:02 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; raccoonradio@gmail.com Subject: WKLB Freq change will be High Noon (12/1), pardner Word from the WKLB VIP Club is that the actual time of the freq switch will be at high noon, buckaroo, on Dec. 1. Alert to aircheckers! >> Remember, the time and date for this change is FRIDAY DECEMBER 1ST AT NOON! ...COUNTRY 102.5 WKLB From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 15 12:25:34 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:25:34 -0500 Subject: WKLB Freq change will be High Noon (12/1), pardner In-Reply-To: <009701c708a0$f99e9e20$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <1fbbbced0611150101p5aeb6cdfif98ecec28172802f@mail.gmail.com> <009701c708a0$f99e9e20$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611150925m7f4cfed3l1e60ed8cb664a41a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I still have a copy of the WKLB switch from 96.9 to 99.5 (as well as the > WOAZ 99.5 to WSJZ 96.9 side of the switch) That was a 12 Noon switch as > well.... I remember it being at high noon, too; I listened but didn't tape. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 15 12:28:24 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:28:24 -0500 Subject: DePetro, WRKO developments... Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611150928u2b4f2b13p7ea66e7408f3c500@mail.gmail.com> John DePetro reports on his website that he will be on WBCN's Toucher and Rich Show this afternoon, presumably to "give his side of the story". Meanwhile the Boston Globe says WRKO is considering (among many other applicants) former Mass. House Speaker Tom Finneran for a talk host position. (Finneran faces perjury and obstruction of justice charges in January.) No, it's not April Fools' Day. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 15 13:04:45 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:04:45 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> Nov 15 isn't too early for all Christmas--excuse me, all Holiday--on 93.3 and 103.3 ("holiday favorites"--I'm waiting to hear the Chanukah and Kwanzaa tunes). Next year why don't you guys go for the switch on October 15th...? Better yet do Christmas year round. yeah. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 15 13:14:46 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:14:46 -0500 Subject: DePetro, WRKO developments... Message-ID: <20061115181450.68C811158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, raccoonradio@gmail.com >Subject: DePetro, WRKO developments... >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:28:24 -0500 >John DePetro reports on his website that he will be on WBCN's Toucher and Rich >Show this afternoon, presumably to "give his side of the story". Meanwhile >the Boston Globe says WRKO is considering (among many other applicants) >former Mass. House Speaker Tom Finneran for a talk host position. (Finneran >faces perjury and obstruction of justice charges in January.) >No, it's not April Fools' Day. Yikes...Tom Finneran and Howie Carr on the same station! That would be like Mike Barnicle and Howie Carr at the same newspaper... oops, it really happened for a while. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 15 13:19:21 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:19:21 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 Message-ID: <20061115181926.D0BDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:04:45 -0500 >Nov 15 isn't too early for all Christmas--excuse me, all Holiday--on >93.3 and 103.3 >("holiday favorites"--I'm waiting to hear the Chanukah and Kwanzaa >tunes). Next year >why don't you guys go for the switch on October 15th...? Better yet >do Christmas >year round. yeah. There's a spot airing right now for a show by Roanan Tynan, the Irish tenor who sings at the NY Yankees games: the text goes to great pains to make it clear that he will be singing "faith-based" Christmas music, but the music bed is not some carol like "Silent Night" or "O Little Town of Bethlehem" but "Greenfleeves" (the Stan Freberg spelling), a SECULAR song. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Nov 15 13:35:17 2006 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:35:17 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455B5DE5.2020103@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> On 11/15/06 1:04 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Nov 15 isn't too early for all Christmas--excuse me, all Holiday--on > 93.3 and 103.3 > ("holiday favorites"--I'm waiting to hear the Chanukah and Kwanzaa > tunes). Next year > why don't you guys go for the switch on October 15th...? Better yet do > Christmas > year round. yeah. > > > 103.3 has started earlier in the past. A couple of years ago they > started either on or before Veterans' Day -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 15 13:49:04 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:49:04 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <972a1f7b6c0a395c62e66d6e61cd7f8f@charter.net> I agree that going all Christmas this early is a bit overkill, but keep in mind that Black Friday is only nine days away. I remember playing the Christmas stuff pretty hard the day after Thanksgiving and through that weekend when I was still on the air doing Full Service AC back in the day. WODS is getting a few days jump on WMJX, which did the whole holiday thing last year as well. It could be worse. Two stations in Detroit flipped two WEEKS ago! However, in some markets only one station is expected to flip so there is no rush to jump the gun early. In Philadelphia, WBEB and WSNI both flipped early last year. WSNI dumped their soft AC format for Spanish a couple of months ago, so more than likely WBEB will have the Christmas franchise to themselves this season, and can flip at their leisure. I suppose oldies WOGL could try it for the first time, but if they were to do so, they probably would have done it by now. There are different reasons for 93.3 flipping now. That station just dismissed their longtime morning show yesterday. They would have flipped to all Christmas eventually anyway, so starting today pulls the attention away from their morning issue, and gives WSNE five to six weeks to come up with a replacement. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 15, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Nov 15 isn't too early for all Christmas--excuse me, all Holiday--on > 93.3 and 103.3 > ("holiday favorites"--I'm waiting to hear the Chanukah and Kwanzaa > tunes). Next year > why don't you guys go for the switch on October 15th...? Better yet do > Christmas > year round. yeah. > From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Nov 15 13:55:47 2006 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:55:47 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 In-Reply-To: <20061115181926.D0BDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061115181926.D0BDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <455B62B3.4020200@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> On 11/15/06 1:19 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > (SNIP)... "Greenfleeves" (the Stan Freberg spelling), > a SECULAR song. > > > AKA "What Child is This?" "Faith-based" lyrics written in 1865. from the "Same old tune, but a brand new song and dance" Files -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 15 15:24:37 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:24:37 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611152024.kAFKOfNq023641@mac.com> At 01:04 PM 11/15/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >Nov 15 isn't too early for all Christmas--excuse me, all Holiday--on >93.3 and 103.3 ("holiday favorites"--I'm waiting to hear the >Chanukah and Kwanzaa >tunes). I read on orbitcast.com that XM will have a temporary Chanukah channel for one week beginning Dec. 15. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 15 15:29:36 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:29:36 -0500 Subject: Christmas on 103.3, 93.3 In-Reply-To: <972a1f7b6c0a395c62e66d6e61cd7f8f@charter.net> References: <1fbbbced0611151004v9d5976ej1bea29e8b9d0ca9@mail.gmail.com> <972a1f7b6c0a395c62e66d6e61cd7f8f@charter.net> Message-ID: <200611152029.kAFKTfjV025840@mac.com> At 01:49 PM 11/15/2006, David Tomm wrote: > WSNI dumped their soft AC format for Spanish a couple of months > ago, so more than likely WBEB will have the Christmas franchise to > themselves this season, and can flip at their leisure. Does being in Spanish somehow prevent them from doing Christmas? I suspect there are plenty of Christmas tunes recorded en Espanol. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Nov 17 03:17:49 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:17:49 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611170017n1d5eecb0sbdb487c25b310a11@mail.gmail.com> Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO has fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, Listo Fisher, Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. I heard the difference tonight: Fox News Radio at top of hour during Todd Feinburg show, followed by local sports, traffic, and weather, then at :20 and :40 a local news update (not sure who but he had a bit of a raspy voice). Some kind of sharing arrangement with other stations? From me@billoneill.us Fri Nov 17 07:17:21 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:17:21 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611170017n1d5eecb0sbdb487c25b310a11@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0611170017n1d5eecb0sbdb487c25b310a11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455DA851.9080204@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO > has > fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, > Listo Fisher, Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. That's huge. What a statement. Speaks volumes. Bill O'Neill From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Nov 17 07:04:16 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:04:16 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611170017n1d5eecb0sbdb487c25b310a11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611171247.kAHClhTv060032@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I heard a rumor about major changes coming to WRKO and Howie Carr's syndication program from someone who I thought was in the know, but he didn't say anything about the news staff getting whacked. Apparently, syndicators of the Carr show have been told that there are changes coming. The lack of ads on the syndication end of Howie's agreement might mean an end to the show being syndicated, but I don't honestly know. In an unrelated note, there was another person who told me that Metro Traffic had signed up another cluster of stations in the Boston area and they might be hiring another voice to do traffic. I hope this isn't what this is about, considering how great the news department is at WRKO. Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:18 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; raccoonradio@gmail.com Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO has fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, Listo Fisher, Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. I heard the difference tonight: Fox News Radio at top of hour during Todd Feinburg show, followed by local sports, traffic, and weather, then at :20 and :40 a local news update (not sure who but he had a bit of a raspy voice). Some kind of sharing arrangement with other stations? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 17 07:44:22 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:44:22 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <1fbbbced0611170017n1d5eecb0sbdb487c25b310a11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c70a46$1f3c9140$19eefea9@satpro4600> Doesn't Metro (Traffic) do local news--at least in some markets? IIRC, maybe 18 months ago, for a period of maybe two weeks, WKOXKS were doing 60 seconds of local news on the half-hour. I'm pretty sure it came from Metro. IIRC, some of the same voices I've heard doing traffic. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: ; Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO has > fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, > Listo Fisher, > Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. > > I heard the difference tonight: Fox News Radio at top of hour during > Todd Feinburg > show, followed by local sports, traffic, and weather, then at :20 and > :40 a local > news update (not sure who but he had a bit of a raspy voice). Some kind of > sharing arrangement with other stations? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 09:25:24 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:25:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <001401c70a46$1f3c9140$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <20061117142524.81869.qmail@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Doesn't Metro (Traffic) do local news--at least in some markets? > IIRC, maybe > 18 months ago, for a period of maybe two weeks, WKOXKS were doing 60 > seconds > of local news on the half-hour. I'm pretty sure it came from Metro. > IIRC, > some of the same voices I've heard doing traffic. Yes, Metro/Traffax (depending on what market we're talking about) does local news. Metro did WRKO's news for a number of years until WRKO hired Rod Fritz about five (?) years ago. They also did/do some of WEEI's updates. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Nov 17 10:39:01 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:39:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? Message-ID: <20061117153901.73CDB48332@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> According to http://www.radio-locator.com , WCRB transmits 8 Kw from Waltham and WLKB transmits 27 Kw from Lowell. I assume that changing power on a particular frequency is a long, drawn out affair given the density of stations in the NE. At least, it has been for WCNH-LP. I assume that people aren't switching studios or transmitter locations, but what about power? I live just north of Concord NH, and WCRB gets trounced by nearby 3 Kw WWHK at 102.3. I have received WCRB near a hilltop in Plymouth NH, but I'm in the Merrimack Valley now. I do get WLKB great, so I might do okay with 8 Kw in Waltham, but 27 Kw from Lowell would be worth looking for. I don't get WGBH well at all (98 Kw from Needham?) so I really would like more watts. Terrain too.... I sent a similar note to WCRB, will post/paraphrase any useful response. -Ric Werme From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Nov 17 14:25:56 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:25:56 +0000 Subject: The Salem News: No Beverly-Salem F'ball Game (Courtesy Of WESX) Message-ID: <455E0CC4.4030909@Gmail.com> > Radio silence for Thanksgiving football game > > The tradition-filled Salem-Beverly football game is losing > one of its traditions. > > For the first time since 1939, the Thanksgiving Day game > between the two rival high schools will not be heard on the radio. > > The game had been broadcast on WESX ever since the radio > station began 67 years ago. But the Marblehead-based station was > sold in May and moved to Chelsea, where it now broadcasts > Brazilian and Hispanic religious programs. (continued) http://www.salemnews.com/local/local_story_321064656?page=0 Article mentions WBOQ-104.9 not being able to carry it due to another local game, but what about tape-delayed or WNSH-1.570, either live or (more likely) tape-delayed? Also, it mentions Norm Durkee, "who is now 84 and lives in Wenham": Didn't he die last year? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 17 15:38:39 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:38:39 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <20061117153901.73CDB48332@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <455DD77F.14729.411762@localhost> On 17 Nov 2006 Ric Werme wrote: > According to http://www.radio-locator.com , > WCRB transmits 8 Kw from Waltham and > WLKB transmits 27 Kw from Lowell. This can't be right. I believe WCRB 102.5 transmits from the FM-128 tower in Newton/Needham, and I believe its power is quite a bit higher. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 17 16:00:35 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:00:35 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? Message-ID: <20061117210036.D8741478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, "Ric Werme" >Subject: Re: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:38:39 -0500 >On 17 Nov 2006 Ric Werme wrote: > According to http://www.radio-locator.com , > WCRB transmits 8 Kw from Waltham and > WLKB transmits 27 Kw from Lowell. >This can't be right. I believe WCRB 102.5 transmits from the FM-128 >tower in Newton/Needham, and I believe its power is quite a bit >higher. Only if 100 watts is "quite a bit higher". It's true that WCRB-FM's current authorized ERP is 8100 watts, but the longtime-antenna they used blew off in a huge storm a year ago this past October. I'm not sure where their antenna is now. There's a two-bay FM antenna on one leg of the tower, and an antenna near the top of the mast that looks like the petals of a flower. In any event, it would probably behoove Greater Media to install a new radiating element the way they did with WKLB-FM a couple of years ago to get the most from their "close-in" purchase. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Nov 17 16:06:14 2006 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:06:14 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <455DD77F.14729.411762@localhost> Message-ID: <001b01c70a8c$43c01730$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> The power levels are correct. It's just, like you said that the FM-128 tower is a lot tower than the tower 99.5 is on in Lowell. If a station was at a low location, it might be able to run a full 50,000 watts, but it would probably have less coverage than a station on a 1000 foot tower running 8,000 watts. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:39 PM > To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Ric Werme > Subject: Re: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? > > On 17 Nov 2006 Ric Werme wrote: > > > According to http://www.radio-locator.com , > > WCRB transmits 8 Kw from Waltham and > > WLKB transmits 27 Kw from Lowell. > > This can't be right. I believe WCRB 102.5 transmits from the FM-128 > tower in Newton/Needham, and I believe its power is quite a bit > higher. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From markwats@comcast.net Fri Nov 17 16:08:29 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:08:29 -0500 Subject: The Salem News: No Beverly-Salem F'ball Game (Courtesy Of WESX) References: <455E0CC4.4030909@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001c70a8c$94bcf860$9447da18@Mark> Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > > For the first time since 1939, the Thanksgiving Day game > > between the two rival high schools will not be heard on the radio. > > > > The game had been broadcast on WESX ever since the radio > > station began 67 years ago. But the Marblehead-based station was > > sold in May and moved to Chelsea, where it now broadcasts > > Brazilian and Hispanic religious programs. The article mentions that the new owner of WESX wasn't aware of the fact this would be the first time since 1939 that the game won't be on the radio, and if he had been told sooner he could have made arrangements to get the game on the air. Is it too late for him to do something to air the game? The article also mentions that a former WESX staffer, Rick Moore will be broadcasting the game on a live webstream on his website. Could Otto Miller, the new WESX owner make a deal with Moore to simulcast the webfeed of the game for those who have no computer access? Mark Watson Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Fri Nov 17 16:08:32 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:08:32 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Message-ID: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Bob Nelson" >Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:17:21 -0500 >Bob Nelson wrote: > Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO has > fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, > Listo Fisher, Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. >That's huge. What a statement. Speaks volumes. >Bill O'Neill This could be the beginning of the end of AM radio hereabouts; sure, WBZ-AM and WEEI will continue to do well, but WRKO is slipping already in key demographics according to The Herald, and its 12+ number may not be far behind. As there's more and more bad publicity about WRKO, the Red Sox may be looking for a way out, so the unthinkable could happen: if not a sale, the flip of 680 AM to commercial "religion" or a foreign-language format. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 17 16:59:25 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:59:25 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Sounds like an alarmist view to me. I think you've been spending too much time at radio-info.com, or are you trying to take the wild-eyed predictor baton (not the musical kind of baton) away from Joseph Gallant (who no longer posts at radio-info)? WRKO may have had a top-flight news department (and from the roster, it certainly seemed that way), but people don't listen to THE Talk Station for news; they listen for talk--although with the stuff they have on, heaven only knows why. So if Jason Wolfe can slash expenses by several hundred $k (and from the roster of people Entercom sent to the beach, it sure SOUNDS as if he has), he's probably doing the right thing. Using Metro/Shadow for news will not make WRKO any more unlistenable and will improve the bottom line. Someone at Entercom should read this month's electrion returns and find someone more moderate than the people they have on. Jay Diamond comes to mind. He has shown his ability to be as liberal or as conservative as management wants him to be. In his last gig at WRKO, he was playing liberal. I think getting him back, putting him into mid-mornings, and having him play liberal again would be a good move--but then, my politics are showing. However, if after a few books, the numbers looked bad, he could easily flip to conservative; he is very flexible. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill O'Neill" > >To: "Bob Nelson" > >Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:17:21 -0500 > >Bob Nelson wrote: > > Boston Radio Watch (http://www.bostonradiowatch.com) reports that WRKO has > > fired its entire news department including Rod Fritz, Marga Besette, > > Listo Fisher, Paul Tuthill, and Sharon Smith. > >That's huge. What a statement. Speaks volumes. > >Bill O'Neill > > This could be the beginning of the end of AM radio hereabouts; sure, WBZ-AM and > WEEI will continue to do well, but WRKO is slipping already in key > demographics according to The Herald, and its 12+ number may not be far behind. > As there's more and more bad publicity about WRKO, the Red Sox may be > looking for a way out, so the unthinkable could happen: if not a sale, > the flip of 680 AM to commercial "religion" or a foreign-language format. > > > -- > > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > > From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Nov 17 16:49:28 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:49:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? Message-ID: <20061117214928.AB51048371@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Joe Ross wrote: > > Ric Werme wrote: > > According to http://www.radio-locator.com , > > WCRB transmits 8 Kw from Waltham and > > WLKB transmits 27 Kw from Lowell. > This can't be right. I believe WCRB 102.5 transmits from the FM-128 > tower in Newton/Needham, .... I ignored the antenna height info because I don't have a good understanding how it all fits into the surrounding terrain and assumed the heights would be about the same. Wrong, the difference is substantial, 199 meters above average terrain for WLKB, vs. 351 for WCRB. I should've noticed that! I assumed WCRB was broadcasting from a tower outside their studios in Waltham, and I wasn't sure if the map at http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCRB&service=FM&status=L&hours=U was saying otherwise. (Or how much faith to put into its data.) Figured I wouldn't be able to get much by the DXers and others here. :-) I don't see a post from dan.strassberg that should be here, but he noted that both stations are full Class B FMs, and have the same effective power, so that pretty much makes pointless exchanging transmitting locations. -Ric Werme From pete@partnercomm.com Sat Nov 18 00:24:41 2006 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:24:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <20061117214928.AB51048371@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Ric Werme wrote: [truncated] > Figured I wouldn't be able to get much by the DXers and others here. :-) > > I don't see a post from dan.strassberg that should be here, but he noted that > both stations are full Class B FMs, and have the same effective power, so that > pretty much makes pointless exchanging transmitting locations. What is being exchanged are existing facilities and licenses. The identical license classes of the two stations only dictates the maximum facilities permitted (typical, in this case, is 152m HAAT (Height Above Average Terrain) at 50KW. That will provide a certain radius of theoretical coverage area at "city grade" signal strength (in this case, 54dBu). The facilities of each station was dictated by their city of license, proximity of other signals with which they may not interefere, available existing tower space (or of land for the building of a tower)... the list goes on. The listenable radius of WCRB is almost indistinguishable from that of WKLB-FM, because the additional height under WCRB's antenna is balanced out by the 5.2dB of additional power for which WKLB-FM is licensed. The biggest difference between these two facilities is the sites from which they transmit, since that determines where the signal will cover. In this case. WKLB-FM transmits from a tower roughly between Lowell and Lawrence, whereas WCRB is located on a tower between Needham and Newton. Garrett Wollman and Scott Fybush have details and histories of most of the Boston-region FM and AM facilities at http://bostonradio.org. The FCC site is the authority on what stations have what facilities, though www.radio-locator.com has a nice interface. The AM and FM Queary search tools provide all the info radio-locator can provide, and much more. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 18 00:42:32 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:42:32 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <001b01c70a8c$43c01730$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <455DD77F.14729.411762@localhost> Message-ID: <455E56F8.15455.68E7E5@localhost> On 17 Nov 2006 at 16:06, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > The power levels are correct. It's just, like you said that the FM-128 > tower is a lot tower than the tower 99.5 is on in Lowell. If a station > was at a low location, it might be able to run a full 50,000 watts, > but it would probably have less coverage than a station on a 1000 foot > tower running 8,000 watts. Somehow I thought WCRB at one time promoted having 50,000 watts. I must be remembering wrong. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 18 00:50:04 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:50:04 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: References: <20061117214928.AB51048371@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17758.40716.496525.734462@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The listenable radius of WCRB is almost indistinguishable from that of > WKLB-FM, because the additional height under WCRB's antenna is balanced > out by the 5.2dB of additional power for which WKLB-FM is licensed. However, this does not take into account the differences in reception caused by such factors as terrain (outside the 16 or 32 precise radials used to compute HAAT), location of other transmitter sites, and antenna design. For some listeners, even in downtown Boston, the 99.5 transmitter site in Andover may provide superior reception to the 102.5 site in Newton due to intermodulation products from the stations on the Prudential Tower. Conversely, for listeners in parts of Canton and Randolph, the shadow of the Blue Hills will impair reception of 99.5 even though the FCC's F(50,50) curves predict a good signal there. The experts I have spoken with agree that higher is usually better, despite the ERP trade-off. Those who have followed FCC FM and TV applications in the last several years will be familiar with the Longley-Rice method, a signal prediction algorithm that takes fine-scale terrain into account (and also other factors such as the climate type); most of the signal-strength maps seen in FCC applications today are generated using this method, because it can be used to predict with much greater accuracy and square-mile resolution the actual population which will be served by a given signal. (It's often seen in FM applications involving grandfathered short-spacing, as an applicant must demonstrate that the area of prohibited overlap is not increased.) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 18 03:59:15 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:59:15 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: Someone at Entercom should read this month's > electrion returns and find someone more moderate than the people they have > on. That could help but who knows. They have a niche conservative/moderate audience now (more of the former) and I'd think they do well with middle aged or older men. A friend of mine in the biz says talk stations skew older and more male...while women, especially 25-49, make most of the major buying decisions. But are they listening to music stations instead? By the same token while liberal talkers may have a group of hardcore political devotees, most of them young, I'd think many of the younger/more progressive folks are listening to music stations or mp3 players instead. A guy in his twenties who's kinda into politics might check out prog-talk but more likely would tune into anything from rock to alternative rock to rap or CHR. From sid@wrko.com Sat Nov 18 06:59:19 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:59:19 -0700 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Message-ID: >>Someone at Entercom should read this month's election returns and find someone more moderate than the people they have on.<< One has nothing to do with the other. I'm obviously not in a position to be making programming decisions, but all the research shows that effective talk radio is NOT about preaching to the converted. First and last, it's about being entertaining. The success of talk hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity didn't occur because most listeners necessarily agree with their philosophy. It occurred because they knew how to be entertaining, and the failure of a number of talk-show hosts, on the right or left, is attributable to the fact that they came across as whiny and preaching. Further, one could reasonably make the argument that the right-wing talkers now have more to talk about, since the country has made a decisive move back toward the center in the recent election. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 18 07:32:13 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:32:13 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? References: <455DD77F.14729.411762@localhost> <455E56F8.15455.68E7E5@localhost> Message-ID: <002001c70b0d$9a7cd0a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> WCRB may well have done that and it would be legitimate for them to have done so. Many FMs used to promote their ERP's using the power corrected to the class-maximum height, which in the case of WCRB was 50 kW. OTOH, when the FM transmitter was at 750 South St on a 300' tower, the ERP was only 10.2 kW. I don't know what the HAAT was then; 750 South St is on kind of low ground, so the HAAT might well have been less than 300'. Back in that day, however, the Class B maximum power was only 20 kW. Regardless of whether it took place before or after the FCC increased the Class B FM maximum facilities from 20 kW @ 500' to 50 kW @ 500', the move to the Channel 4 tower gave WCRB's signal a huge boost. IMO, WCRB's current signal from FM-128 is not as good as was the signal from the WBZ-TV tower. I think it's too bad that WCRB couldn't or wouldn't move back after the work on the TV tower was completed. I'm sure that the move to FM-128 was expensive and the move back to the TV tower would have been even more expensive; FM-128 already had an antenna that WCRB could use, after the TV tower was rebuilt, there was no such antenna there. If a move back was even theoretically possible (meaning if there was room on the TV tower and the tower could support the antenna and transmission line), it probably wouldn't have been economically justifiable. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; ; "'Ric Werme'" ; "Jeff Lehmann" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:42 AM Subject: RE: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? > > Somehow I thought WCRB at one time promoted having 50,000 watts. I > must be remembering wrong. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 18 08:03:23 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:03:23 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: Message-ID: <003401c70b11$f39498e0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Well, my original post, which Bob Nelson only excerpted in his reply, suggested the return of Jay Diamond to fill WRKO's mid-morning opening. Diamond is not an idalogue; he is a radio pro and his shows are far superior to most of the stuff on WRKO. In various gigs, he has been both a "liberal," as he was in his weekend WRKO gig, and a "conservative," as I recall his being in several NYC gigs. He seems able to play whichever role management asks him to play. My suggestion was that he try liberal or moderate for a couple of books and if the ratings didn't materialize, he could switch. I guess the big problem with a talk host changing sides is that the audience might not get it; most listeners probably can't comprehend the concept of a talk host who merely plays a role to entertain the audience. WRKO's current on-air product provides living proof that the station could do a lot worse than Diamond; the station has done so--over, and over, and over--and does so currently throughout its broadcast day. It is not clear that they can do any better than Diamond. Since you don't work in Programming, Sid, I know that picking on-air talent isn't part of your job description, but if you have friends in Programming, please pass this along to them. They probably don't care what listeners (or former listeners) think, but listening to the listeners might turn out to be a new and beneficial experience for them. Gotta beat rearranging the deck chairs on Titanic 680 ;>( PS: Don't you think Titanic 680 has a provocative ring? Just might catch on; the programmers ought to worry about that! -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > >>Someone at Entercom should read this month's election returns and find > someone more moderate than the people they have on.<< > > One has nothing to do with the other. I'm obviously not in a position > to be making programming decisions, but all the research shows that > effective talk radio is NOT about preaching to the converted. First and > last, it's about being entertaining. The success of talk hosts like > Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity didn't occur because most listeners > necessarily agree with their philosophy. It occurred because they knew > how to be entertaining, and the failure of a number of talk-show hosts, > on the right or left, is attributable to the fact that they came across > as whiny and preaching. > > > Further, one could reasonably make the argument that the right-wing > talkers now have more to talk about, since the country has made a > decisive move back toward the center in the recent election. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 18 12:27:32 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:27:32 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com><002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > On 11/17/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > Someone at Entercom should read this month's > > electrion returns and find someone more moderate than the people they have > > on. Even in very Liberal Massachusetts, liberal slanted talk doesn't seem to get any traction... While we have heard talk radio simply "preaches to the choir"....I wonder if that is correct. Maybe it's the way conservatives and argue differently...that makes one more entertaining than the other. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 18 12:54:56 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:54:56 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: Message-ID: <028b01c70b3a$bdcebdc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > >>Someone at Entercom should read this month's election returns and find > someone more moderate than the people they have on.<< > > One has nothing to do with the other. I'm obviously not in a position > to be making programming decisions, but all the research shows that > effective talk radio is NOT about preaching to the converted. First and > last, it's about being entertaining. The success of talk hosts like > Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity didn't occur because most listeners > necessarily agree with their philosophy. Can Liberals be entertaining too...? Is that possible? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 18 13:10:28 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <028b01c70b3a$bdcebdc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001c70b3c$d96581c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> You've sold me! I've figured out what the A. in your screen name is short for. I gather that you abbreviate it because the long form is unprintable. Memorable, though! -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A." To: "Sid Schweiger" ; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > > > >>Someone at Entercom should read this month's election returns and find > > someone more moderate than the people they have on.<< > > > > One has nothing to do with the other. I'm obviously not in a position > > to be making programming decisions, but all the research shows that > > effective talk radio is NOT about preaching to the converted. First and > > last, it's about being entertaining. The success of talk hosts like > > Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity didn't occur because most listeners > > necessarily agree with their philosophy. > > Can Liberals be entertaining too...? > > Is that possible? > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 18 13:14:33 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:14:33 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> it was said-- >Even in very Liberal Massachusetts, liberal slanted talk doesn't seem to get >any traction... > >While we have heard talk radio simply "preaches to the choir"....I wonder if >that is correct. > >Maybe it's the way conservatives and argue differently...that makes one >more entertaining than the other. I have been doing a lot of research on this (I'm trying to get my PhD, and talk radio is a subject in my dissertation) and Boston is not a market where we can make any valid judgements about so-called liberal talk. (I am not referring to "do we personally like it" or "do we personally think it's awful"-- I mean judgements based on how many listeners tune in during a given week.) Basing my own assessments on what I hear all over eastern Mass as I drive around, there are so many signal problems that plague WXKS and WKOX that we don't know who can even hear the stations. I don't know what's with WKOX's night pattern, but after 4.30 yesterday, I had trouble hearing them in Needham. In fact, Buffalo's WWKB was coming in more clearly. What I do know is that it's definitely a demographic sell-- Ed Schultz, for example, is getting very solid 25-54 numbers. Stephanie Miller's numbers are strong in 18-49. In some really blue parts of the state, like out in Amherst, WHMP has switched over to more and more Jones programming-- they now carry both Ed and Stephanie, where they used to carry neither, and I am told these two shows are getting very good response. But again, weak signals affect the amount of people who can sample. In the handful of cities where the format is on a station with a strong signal and a promotion budget, such as Portland OR, Seattle WA and Miami FL, progressive talk has been getting both good ratings and some advertiser support. But again, it's individual hosts who do well-- the jury is still out on the format as a whole. And I do agree that liberals and conservatives sometimes argue differently, but here again, not all conservative hosts are getting the big numbers and not all liberal hosts are being rejected. It took Limbaugh more than 5 years to turn a profit and get big numbers. Fox News lost money for 4 years and Murdoch had to keep bailing it out. I'm interested in the development of TALENT on progressive talk stations. Hiring a celebrity like Al Franken doesn't mean he'll be a good talk host. It's an art, and I think we all agree that Limbaugh, whether we like his politics or not, does entertaining radio more often than not. Liberals came very late to using radio and as a result, they haven't developed as many entertaining hosts yet. As I do my research, I am getting very good reaction to Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Stephanie Miller, and Thom Hartmann. Randi Rhodes used to get excellent reaction but lately she is perceived as being too much into "endless rant" mode, a disease that also afflicts some of the less successful rightie talkers. If stations want to move beyond just preaching to the choir, they need to have that entertainment factor-- that is why conservatives listen to Ed Schultz and liberals listen to Rush Limbaugh -- they may not always agree with the ideology, but they find the show itself interesting and entertaining. Oh and my 2 cents on RKO news-- it's wrong, wrong, wrong not to have some local news. Research shows people want it. It may not be the prime reason they tune in, but it's one more thing they can like about your station. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 18 13:31:38 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:31:38 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <028b01c70b3a$bdcebdc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <002001c70b3c$d96581c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <033301c70b40$7c3e0400$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Did I say something offensive? I hope not...I was being serious...in response to Sid's note... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Don A." ; "Sid Schweiger" ; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > You've sold me! I've figured out what the A. in your screen name is short > for. I gather that you abbreviate it because the long form is unprintable. > Memorable, though! > > -- > > Dan Strassberg > dan.strassberg@att.net > Fax: 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don A." > To: "Sid Schweiger" ; > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > > > > > > > >>Someone at Entercom should read this month's election returns and find > > > someone more moderate than the people they have on.<< > > > > > > One has nothing to do with the other. I'm obviously not in a position > > > to be making programming decisions, but all the research shows that > > > effective talk radio is NOT about preaching to the converted. First and > > > last, it's about being entertaining. The success of talk hosts like > > > Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity didn't occur because most listeners > > > necessarily agree with their philosophy. > > > > Can Liberals be entertaining too...? > > > > Is that possible? > > > > > > From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Nov 18 13:13:14 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:13:14 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200611181844.kAIIiiRm077771@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I don't think "liberal" talk has really been given a chance on any of the really strong commercial signals in Boston. If you think back, few have ever really been given a shot, especially local ones. Has there been some on some of the smaller stations? Sure. But not on one of the big ones for awhile. Tom Leykis, when he was on WRKO at Noon, beat Rush in his first book back when Rush was on WHDH [now WEEI]. Then Tom had to go and shove his wife into a fireplace, get himself arrested, and quickly fled town. In pairs, like Pat and Marge; Janet and Ted; Marge and Jim; liberal talk hosts seem to work and have ratings. They get the best - or worst, depending on how you look at it - of both audiences. The problem there is the high costs of two hosts. Ted O'Brien had a pretty good show on WHDH but was up against Jerry Williams ... A death wish no matter what your political perspective. Can anyone think of any other "liberals" put on the big commercial signals in Boston? I can't. Flip to the public radio stations and we know the drill: They flatten commercial radio in ratings, even in conservative states, and are perceived to be liberal, although I still contend that most public radio hosts I've heard are socially-liberal and fiscally-conservative. It is very elite thing; and elistism runs the gamut from liberal to conservatives. The rah-rahing for NAFTA, for example, on public radio, was relentless, with no balance at all. Best, Tony Anthony Schinella Station Manager/Program Director WKXL 1450, Concord, N.H. Award-winning news, sports, arts & community conversation Blog: http://politizine.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A. Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:28 PM To: Bob Nelson; Dan Strassberg; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Even in very Liberal Massachusetts, liberal slanted talk doesn't seem to get any traction... While we have heard talk radio simply "preaches to the choir"....I wonder if that is correct. Maybe it's the way conservatives and argue differently...that makes one more entertaining than the other. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 18 13:47:08 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:47:08 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <002001c70b0d$9a7cd0a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <455DD77F.14729.411762@localhost> <455E56F8.15455.68E7E5@localhost> <002001c70b0d$9a7cd0a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <17759.21804.43557.184722@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If a move [of WCRB] back [to the CBS tower] was even theoretically > possible (meaning if there was room on the TV tower and the tower > could support the antenna and transmission line), it probably > wouldn't have been economically justifiable. It certainly is theoretically possible, since they were talking about putting a master FM antenna up there. There's certainly space in the building. I think that plan was conditional on 89.7 being able to move from Great Blue Hill without losing its grandfathered facilities; presumably at least Mix would have gone up there as well, and probably aux facilities for the other CBS FMs. -GAWollman From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Nov 18 14:37:43 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:37:43 -0800 Subject: Talk Show people Message-ID: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> Am I the only listener who finds talk radio hosts to be very loud, repetitive and silly as they "entertain"? Rush, Mark Levine and "Big Ed" yell at the top of their lungs all the time (that's annoying) and they do sound alike, but on the "right" and "left" - Randi shouts too and is just as rude and aggressive being "randy"- Laura isn't that much different (choose any of the "talking Lauras") - Dennis is also full of himself, albeit a bit more eloquent than "ditto" or "we'vegoted" - Al and Thom just seem to stutter all the time and can't make complete sentences (I guess they think faster than they speak). Glenn, Hugh, and Sean offend listeners interrupting telephone callers. Howard and other offensive dirty talkers on the radio are not the answer. They're not funny, but all have huge egos and huge ratings, so what's the matter with me?? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 18 15:21:15 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:21:15 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <028b01c70b3a$bdcebdc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c70b4f$1b8c2600$6400a8c0@BrianVaio> > Can Liberals be entertaining too...? > > Is that possible? > Only if they're not in office and governing you. Brian T Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax From me@billoneill.us Sat Nov 18 15:34:57 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:34:57 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <455F6E71.60106@billoneill.us> Russ Butler wrote: > They're not funny, but all have huge egos and huge ratings, so what's > the matter with me?? [click] Next call. Hello? Bill O'Neill (couldn't resist) From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 18 15:56:04 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:56:04 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I disagree about Thom. He's a radio pro. Usually talks in complete sentences. Has a pleasant voice and delivery, doesn't yell, and has a positively encyclopedic command of American history. In my view he and Rachel Maddow are the stars of AAR. Tom Ashbrook, host of NPR's On Point, which originates at WBUR, has great pipes and obviously does a tremendous amount of show prep, but he still manages to drive me NUTS. He is forever hustling callers off the line and always sounds as if he is running some kind of verbal race. When he was on vacation, John Hockenberry filled in for him. Hockenberry has a good radio voice but lacks Ashbrook's fantastic basso. But the big difference is that Hockenberry's style is so easy and relaxed that the contrast with Ashbrook is like night and day. As far as I could tell, Hockenberry hit all the posts without ever sounding as if there was any trick to it. Now there's a GREAT talk host--and I don't think talk radio is even his day job. Sign him up! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Talk Show people > Am I the only listener who finds talk radio hosts to be very > loud, repetitive and silly as they "entertain"? Rush, Mark Levine and > "Big Ed" yell at the top of their lungs all the time (that's annoying) > and they do sound alike, but on the "right" and "left" - Randi shouts > too and is just as rude and aggressive being "randy"- Laura isn't that > much different (choose any of the "talking Lauras") - Dennis is also > full of himself, albeit a bit more eloquent than "ditto" or "we'vegoted" > - Al and Thom just seem to stutter all the time and can't make complete > sentences (I guess they think faster than they speak). Glenn, Hugh, and > Sean offend listeners interrupting telephone callers. Howard and other > offensive dirty talkers on the radio are not the answer. They're not > funny, but all have huge egos and huge ratings, so what's the matter > with me?? > > > From hykker@grolen.com Sat Nov 18 15:57:10 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:57:10 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> Donna Halper wrote: > But again, it's individual hosts who do well-- the jury is still > out on the format as a whole. And I do agree that liberals and > conservatives sometimes argue differently, but here again, not all > conservative hosts are getting the big numbers and not all liberal > hosts are being rejected. It took Limbaugh more than 5 years to > turn a profit and get big numbers. Fox News lost money for 4 years > and Murdoch had to keep bailing it out. I'm interested in the > development of TALENT on progressive talk stations. Hiring a > celebrity like Al Franken doesn't mean he'll be a good talk > host. It's an art, and I think we all agree that Limbaugh, whether > we like his politics or not, does entertaining radio more often > than not. Liberals came very late to using radio and as a result, > they haven't developed as many entertaining hosts yet. I'm wondering if your last point might not be a key reason why liberal talk has generally not done well....by the time liberal talk got started, the whole talk radio phenomenon had peaked....listeners were getting weary of one-sided rants, and politics in general. Even Rush isn't getting the numbers he once did. And when AAR debuted with more of the same only with a different ideology it was the wrong product at the wrong time. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 18 16:31:23 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:31:23 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> Message-ID: <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Steve wrote-- >I'm wondering if your last point might not be a key reason why >liberal talk has generally not done well....by the time liberal talk >got started, the whole talk radio phenomenon had peaked....listeners >were getting weary of one-sided rants, and politics in >general. Even Rush isn't getting the numbers he once did. And when >AAR debuted with more of the same only with a different ideology it >was the wrong product at the wrong time. I am not sure that answers the question entirely-- although it is true that so-called liberal radio has indeed been perceived by some as just the left-wing version of what the righties were doing for years. But if talk radio has peaked, how come certain hosts are still doing well? And if people hate rants, how do we explain the king of all ranters, Michael Savage, who still gets good numbers in all too many cities? Rush is not getting the numbers he once did partly because his act is no longer unique (as it once was) and there are so many Limbaugh-wanna-be's competing against him. But leftie talk hosts, after a slow start, are finally learning how to do the format. Those who are entertaining and who know how to do RADIO (Schultz and Miller especially, and the Young Turks in some cities) are getting better numbers than those who are just ranters. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 18 17:15:52 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:15:52 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel breakup Message-ID: <17759.34328.510628.276120@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I'm somewhat surprised that nobody has brought up this past week's Big Story in radio: the impending sale and breakup of Clear Channel. According to press reports, the sale of the company (to Boston-based private-equity firms Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital) will involve the sale of about 450 of the company's 1100 stations, as well as the entire television operation. The station sales will be mainly in smaller markets, including three out of five markets in northern New England. (The Globe's map suggested that the company will keep its Manchester and Portsmouth/Dover clusters.) While this partial breakup would still leave Clear Channel as the 800-pound gorilla in radio, putting those smaller-market stations back into play cannot but help strengthen the radio business in those markets, as we see other station groups jockeying for position and possibly acquiring some of the spin-offs. Lee Partners is also involved in the buyout of Univision Communications, which owns channel 66 locally. -GAWollman From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 18 17:49:58 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:49:58 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel breakup References: <17759.34328.510628.276120@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <004501c70b63$e09e7f60$c59b4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Clear Channel breakup > I'm somewhat surprised that nobody has brought up this past week's Big > Story in radio: the impending sale and breakup of Clear Channel. > According to press reports, the sale of the company (to Boston-based > private-equity firms Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital) will > involve the sale of about 450 of the company's 1100 stations, as well > as the entire television operation. The station sales will be mainly > in smaller markets, including three out of five markets in northern > New England. (The Globe's map suggested that the company will keep > its Manchester and Portsmouth/Dover clusters.) > > While this partial breakup would still leave Clear Channel as the > 800-pound gorilla in radio, putting those smaller-market stations back > into play cannot but help strengthen the radio business in those > markets, as we see other station groups jockeying for position and > possibly acquiring some of the spin-offs. > That might happen with the FMs -- although what's the difference between a smaller-market hit country or AC station owned by Clear Channel and the same station owned by Cumulus or Citadel? I'd imagine many of the AMs will attract little market interest from anyone but operators of religious or ethnic leased-time operations. How would any of this strengthen the business? Would another station group be more likely to fill voicetracked airshifts with local talent ... or even increase their newly acquired station's payroll at all? Howard From attychase@comcast.net Sat Nov 18 19:38:32 2006 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:38:32 -0500 Subject: Local News Departments References: Message-ID: <000801c70b73$1467ccc0$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> Donna: At one time the failure to have a local news department could have been used to challenge the licensee for it license at renewal time. WRKO's at one time sister station WNAC lost its license to a group for not acting in the public interest, or was it WHDH? Message: 4 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:14:33 -0500 From: Donna Halper Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. To: "Don A." , Message-ID: <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oh and my 2 cents on RKO news-- it's wrong, wrong, wrong not to have some local news. Research shows people want it. It may not be the prime reason they tune in, but it's one more thing they can like about your station. From songbook2@comcast.net Sat Nov 18 20:07:39 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:07:39 -0800 Subject: Thom Hartmann Message-ID: <455FAE5B.8000506@comcast.net> At which Vermont station did Thom Hartmann do his radio show for two years in Vermont before being nationally syndicated? Thank ye. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Nov 18 19:16:21 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:16:21 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel breakup References: <17759.34328.510628.276120@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <004501c70b63$e09e7f60$c59b4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008401c70b6f$f1f725d0$6401a8c0@pastor2> There's a possibility a local consortium of businesspeople and community leaders may make a bid for one of CC's smaller FMs in Maine as a commercial venture. I'm part of that group. Any suggestions as to how to go about it? We're new to this. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel breakup > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Garrett Wollman > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:15 PM > Subject: Clear Channel breakup > > > > I'm somewhat surprised that nobody has brought up this past week's Big > > Story in radio: the impending sale and breakup of Clear Channel. > > According to press reports, the sale of the company (to Boston-based > > private-equity firms Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital) will > > involve the sale of about 450 of the company's 1100 stations, as well > > as the entire television operation. The station sales will be mainly > > in smaller markets, including three out of five markets in northern > > New England. (The Globe's map suggested that the company will keep > > its Manchester and Portsmouth/Dover clusters.) > > > > While this partial breakup would still leave Clear Channel as the > > 800-pound gorilla in radio, putting those smaller-market stations back > > into play cannot but help strengthen the radio business in those > > markets, as we see other station groups jockeying for position and > > possibly acquiring some of the spin-offs. > > > > That might happen with the FMs -- although what's the difference between a > smaller-market hit country or AC station owned by Clear Channel and the same > station owned by Cumulus or Citadel? I'd imagine many of the AMs will > attract little market interest from anyone but operators of religious or > ethnic leased-time operations. How would any of this strengthen the > business? Would another station group be more likely to fill voicetracked > airshifts with local talent ... or even increase their newly acquired > station's payroll at all? > > Howard > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 18 21:09:06 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:09:06 -0500 Subject: Thom Hartmann In-Reply-To: <455FAE5B.8000506@comcast.net> References: <455FAE5B.8000506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611181809v745e81d0s983d123166088266@mail.gmail.com> I want to say WDEV Waterbury... On 11/18/06, Russ Butler wrote: > At which Vermont station did Thom Hartmann do his radio show for two > years in Vermont before being nationally syndicated? Thank ye. > From sid@wrko.com Sat Nov 18 21:19:01 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:19:01 -0700 Subject: Local News Departments Message-ID: >>At one time the failure to have a local news department could have been used to challenge the licensee for it license at renewal time. WRKO's at one time sister station WNAC lost its license to a group for not acting in the public interest, or was it WHDH?<< Both WNAC and WHDH (the original Channel 5, not today's Channel 7) had changes of ownership forced on them: The General Tire & Rubber Company's broadcast operation, RKO-General, was "invited" to vacate the broadcasting business after the parent company was convicted in federal court of bribery. As a necessary cost of doing business overseas, GT&E routinely made payments to governments. Although perfectly legal overseas, it was illegal in the US (even though no such payments were made in the US) and they got nabbed for it. The conviction made them unfit to be licensees. A principal owner of The Herald-Traveler Corporation, owners of WHDH-TV, had an ex parte contact with an FCC commissioner during hearings on the original grant of the license for Channel 5 in Boston in 1957, and at the end of the (at that time) longest regulatory case in US history, lost the license to Boston Broadcasters, Inc., which put WCVB-TV on the air in 1972. Even though the commissioner in question refused to discuss the case with the H-TC officer, every court that heard the case either remanded the decision to the FCC, or in the case of the federal appeals court and the US Supreme Court, found that the improper contact was reason enough to deny the H-TC the license. The case is chronicled in "The Hundred Million Dollar Lunch," by Sterling "Red" Quinlan. Neither one had to do directly with any lack of public service. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 18 21:22:31 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:22:31 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611181822wd1148fer1e7f124890f6e598@mail.gmail.com> A Mass. governor who once ran for President said, "This election isn't about idealogy, it's about competence." Similarly, talk radio doesn't have to be about idealogy--it's about being competent, entertaining, and well produced. >>Only if they're not in office and governing you. The folks who ran Air America ran up $20 million in debt. Be glad they're not running the country! (By the way there have been rumors that Franken is leaving on Dec 8 though a post on the Huffington blog disputes it; and several Air America affliates/ progressive talk stations have changed format recently, usually to sports-- including the progressive haven of Madison, Wisconsin) One wonders if the future of prog/liberal talk is to produce shows like Steph Miller that might wind up on talk stations that could have both conservatives and liberals that are entertaining. Talk radio seems to be like some sports leagues: more "expansion teams"/stations means more dilution of talent. >>Michael Savage, who still gets good numbers in all too many cities? Savage had a big drop in the ratings here according to the Herald article. I wonder if he'll still be around come baseball season. Some like him; I can take him in small doses but prefer Ingraham. The guy got fired from MSNBC for some very abrasive comments; would the Red Sox wish to have his show immediately following their games on 'RKO? Who knows. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 18 21:30:20 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:30:20 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611181830y1ac02475t7428ae5f8ca08b95@mail.gmail.com> Well, maybe if Franken does step aside and Hartmann inherits his slot people might be able to check him out (I think he's supposed to be the heir apparent). Though I checked the WKOX/WXKS site and I guess he's on weekends. Laura Ingraham doesn't really yell and scream, though she can be very passionate about some issues. She has some funny features (I enjoyed her talk with Jackie Mason the other day) and has featured "both sides" of issues (listeners and guests from the left side have been on). Some guests who oppose her views on issues have been co-operative, though there was a representative from Lawyers Against the War who refused to answer her question regarding whether or not we were better off with Saddam out of power. After trying to get an answer out of him, he finally hung up and later called back and said a curse word to Laura's producer off-air. That didn't really make his case: a simple yes or no would have been nice, but being evasive like that doesn't draw people to your cause. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 18 22:28:02 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:28:02 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611181822wd1148fer1e7f124890f6e598@mail.gmail.com > References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611181822wd1148fer1e7f124890f6e598@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061119032808.0E79953A0C@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >it was said-- >The folks who ran Air America ran up $20 million in debt. Be glad >they're not running the country! (By the way there have been rumors >that Franken is leaving on Dec 8 >though a post on the Huffington blog disputes it; and several Air >America affliates/ >progressive talk stations have changed format recently, usually to sports-- >including the progressive haven of Madison, Wisconsin) This one is a mystery to all of us. 92.1 the Mic in Madison had strong ratings, was very popular, and newspapers (who seldom champion a radio station) have been utterly stunned by the announcement. One even editorialized that this was a very dumb move. If the station had been a ratings loser or had no sponsors, I'd say hey you're right, but it was doing quite well, by all accounts. As for Franken, nice guy, has great guests (both righties and lefties), but not such a good talk show host. His leaving, if he really does leave, will actually open things up for somebody who is a much better announcer to step in. And as for the debt, it's a known fact that early financial problems were never entirely overcome. Much has been written about it-- but I don't think it proves that (gasp) liberals can't be fiscally responsible. We all know this current Republican administration has run up quite a bit of debt and let's not even discuss the deficit. Back to radio-- there has been a major advertiser boycott of AAR, something that really hurt their bottom line. I understand that some advertisers don't like controversy, but if a station is getting good ratings (and yes some AAR affiliates do have respectable numbers-- I've seen them), put aside your personal beliefs and put your commercials on the air. The boycott had been going on for months, long before it was finally publicised last week in the Times and Post and elsewhere. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Nov 18 23:09:35 2006 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:09:35 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <455FD8FF.8030004@gabrielmass.com> Hockenberry had his own two-hour daily show, "Heat", on NPR in 1989; it aired at 10 pm around here. It was good, but it didn't last long. --RC Dan Strassberg wrote: > I disagree about Thom. He's a radio pro. Usually talks in complete > sentences. Has a pleasant voice and delivery, doesn't yell, and has a > positively encyclopedic command of American history. In my view he and > Rachel Maddow are the stars of AAR. > > Tom Ashbrook, host of NPR's On Point, which originates at WBUR, has great > pipes and obviously does a tremendous amount of show prep, but he still > manages to drive me NUTS. He is forever hustling callers off the line and > always sounds as if he is running some kind of verbal race. When he was on > vacation, John Hockenberry filled in for him. Hockenberry has a good radio > voice but lacks Ashbrook's fantastic basso. But the big difference is that > Hockenberry's style is so easy and relaxed that the contrast with Ashbrook > is like night and day. As far as I could tell, Hockenberry hit all the posts > without ever sounding as if there was any trick to it. Now there's a GREAT > talk host--and I don't think talk radio is even his day job. Sign him up! > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Nov 19 00:19:51 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:19:51 -0500 Subject: Local News Departments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17759.59767.285306.374949@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The General Tire & Rubber Company's broadcast operation, RKO-General, > was "invited" to vacate the broadcasting business after the parent > company was convicted in federal court of bribery. That's not supported by the record. WNAC lost its license over "lack of candor" (because RKO General was denying the accusations before the FCC at the same time as General Tire was admitting to them in another proceeding), not a felony conviction. As I wrote (based on the case transcript from the Court of Appeals) in the Archives article on channel 7: When the Appeals Court ruling on WNAC-TV's license renewal came down on December 4, 1981, things could not have turned out worse for RKO. While the FCC process had been going on, the Securities and Exchange Commission had been investigating RKO for securities fraud. In the settlement of that case, General Tire admitted to cooking its books in order to hide illegal political contributions and bribes paid to foreign officials. Meanwhile, in the FCC proceeding, RKO General had been denying the same allegations. In light of RKO's lack of candor before the FCC, RKO was ruled unfit to be a broadcast licensee, and stripped of all its licenses. The Court of Appeals concurred in the FCC's judgment with respect to WNAC-TV, and ordered a rehearing for the other stations. (The FCC had already rejected an offer by General Tire to spin off its broadcasting division to shareholders.) In the article I detail the history of the case which led to the FCC hearings in the first place. > As a necessary cost of doing business overseas, [GTR] routinely made > payments to governments. Although perfectly legal overseas, it was > illegal in the US (even though no such payments were made in the US) > and they got nabbed for it. Actually, if my memory of the case is correct, GTR admitted to the bribery during the SEC hearings which preceded and led to the passage of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, so what they had done may have been legal (as far as U.S. law was concerned) at the time. The FCPA dates to 1977, and I believe the false statements before the FCC were made in 1975 or 1976. -GAWollman From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 02:35:18 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:35:18 -0500 Subject: Local News Departments References: <17759.59767.285306.374949@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <027f01c70bad$ed9d3860$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > > The General Tire & Rubber Company's broadcast operation, RKO-General, > > was "invited" to vacate the broadcasting business after the parent > > company was convicted in federal court of bribery. > > That's not supported by the record. WNAC lost its license over "lack > of candor" (because RKO General was denying the accusations before the > FCC at the same time as General Tire was admitting to them in another > proceeding), not a felony conviction. I have heard that the reason the FCC persisted with this case to the degree that they did, was because Tip O'Neil had an ax to grind with General Tire/Rubbah. (I understand this was only the 2nd time in History that a TV station lost it's licence, the first being the old WHDH-TV Ch 5.) The circumstances about GTR and Ch 7 were blown out of porportion and lived a longer life than it ever should have. I think GTR sought to postpone the decision thru different administrations....but as long as Tip O'Neil was there (which was a lonnnnng time) the case againts GTR continued. Thats my understanding.... From scott@fybush.com Sun Nov 19 04:03:06 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 04:03:06 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <455FD8FF.8030004@gabrielmass.com> References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <000b01c70b54$0a8e3a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <455FD8FF.8030004@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <45601DCA.3060408@fybush.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > Hockenberry had his own two-hour daily show, "Heat", on NPR in 1989; it > aired at 10 pm around here. It was good, but it didn't last long. He was also an early host - in fact, the first, I believe - of "Talk of the Nation," preceding Ray Suarez, Juan Williams and Neal Conan. Apropos of nothing whatsoever, I've had the opportunity to interview both Juan Williams and Neal Conan on WXXI within the last couple of months. I'm waiting for Hockenberry to show up now :-) s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 19 09:04:58 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:04:58 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061119032808.0E79953A0C@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611181822wd1148fer1e7f124890f6e598@mail.gmail.com> <20061119032808.0E79953A0C@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611190604g138d3431ta551b9d37a3f85df@mail.gmail.com> When it comes to the format change in Madison maybe they figured that despite the high prog-talk ratings, sports would be a better "sell". AAR's debt includes the likes of repaying a $10 million loan to Rob Glaser of Real Networks and various unpaid utility bills. One station owner out in California, Paula Nelson, was "shocked" when AAR ended their relationship even though she had loaned the network a considerable sum of money (they took the affiliation elsewhere) Some have speculated AAR has expressed contempt for big business/corporations on air. Yes, the bigwigs can get away with loopholes and get tax breaks, but one would think they'd shy away from being constantly criticized on air. "Well, we think you should boycott Wal-Mart! OK, we'll be back right after these...public service announcements..." From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Sun Nov 19 12:01:32 2006 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:01:32 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002b01c70bfc$5e5ce980$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Talk Show people Please understand, these people are e-n-t-e-r-t-a-i-n-e-r-s......not news readers, historians, or teachers. If you listen to or read the words of these folks and taking it as a genuine source of information on which you form your political ideas and opinions, you're skating on thin ice. Really...take them for what they truly are....media entertainers. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 19 12:08:23 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:08:23 -0500 Subject: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO? Message-ID: <000801c70bfd$5ce08d40$19eefea9@satpro4600> Jimmy Myers has quite possibly had the most troubled history of any Boston radio personality--ever. He is also generally thought of as a sports-talk guy. In fact, though, he is a talented host for issue-oriented talk as well as for sports, and has proven his ability in both areas at several local stations. He is probably more talented as a talk host than any but a half-dozen or so stars who have done two-way talk in Boston since the format was invented almost half a century ago. WRKO desperately needs top-flight talk talent and Myers is not working in radio at this time. Is there a fit? With Myers' history, it would certainly take guts even to just consider him. And with Entercom's reputation for having people on the air who are, shall we say, insensitive to the concerns of minoritites, could Myers survive in the Guest St environment? Would he even consider subjecting himself to that environment? If Entercom were to announce that Myers had been hired, would advertisers bring pressure on the company to ditch a guy with Myers' baggage before he ever got to say word one on the air? Or would Ms Kahn simply dismiss the idea of hiring Myers with a statement to the effect that his main appeal is to a demo that WRKO (and Entercom in general) are not courting? If Myers could keep his cool and survive the pressures to which he would doubtless be subjected, I believe that he could really begin a renaissance at WRKO. And with the recent statement that new hosts on the station will have to be able to hold their own in discussions of sports, Myers certainly qualifies big-time on that score. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 19 12:18:50 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:18:50 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <002b01c70bfc$5e5ce980$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> Message-ID: <001001c70bfe$cc7ea8c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> We've been though this subject a few times on this list. I think it is generally agreed that a talk host's skill set must include being well informed on the subjects he/she discusses. A big part of the trouble with many of hosts is their lack of knowledge. OTOH, the ability to consistently string five or six words together into a coherent sentence while sitting in front of a live microphone is also a requirement. To cite one example, Al Franken passed the first test but too often flunked the second. And you do not need to pass either of the above tests to be able to identify would-be hosts who do and don't pass the tests. Just because I don't qualify on either count, doesn't mean that I can't identify others who are trying to do the job and are failing at it. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Russ Butler" ; Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Talk Show people > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Butler" > To: ; "Russ Butler" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:37 PM > Subject: Talk Show people > > > loud, repetitive and silly as they "entertain"?...... > They're not funny, but all have huge egos and huge ratings, so what's the > matter > with me??> > > Please understand, these people are e-n-t-e-r-t-a-i-n-e-r-s......not news > readers, historians, or teachers. > > If you listen to or read the words of these folks and taking it as a genuine > source of information on which you form your > political ideas and opinions, you're skating on thin ice. > > Really...take them for what they truly are....media entertainers. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 19 13:35:03 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:35:03 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611190604g138d3431ta551b9d37a3f85df@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20061117210833.51572478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <002101c70a93$abdff540$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0611180059x50820032jcd7751c4fc1cfabc@mail.gmail.com> <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061118154957.01995a30@grolen.com> <20061118213128.8E07C44C00E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611181822wd1148fer1e7f124890f6e598@mail.gmail.com> <20061119032808.0E79953A0C@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611190604g138d3431ta551b9d37a3f85df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061119183509.4D5C71A236@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Bob wrote-- > >Some have speculated AAR has expressed contempt for big >business/corporations on >air. Yes, the bigwigs can get away with loopholes and get tax breaks, >but one would >think they'd shy away from being constantly criticized on air. "Well, >we think you >should boycott Wal-Mart! OK, we'll be back right after these...public service >announcements..." Umm, at the risk of seeming like a shill for Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller, both shows are profitable, both have good ratings in their target demos, neither insults Wal-mart, and yet both have had trouble getting stations to sign on as affiliates. Thom Hartmann and Rachel Maddow of Air America similarly don't insult corporations either. As all talk show hosts do, including the righties, they question and discuss certain current events. When corporate greed or corruption is in the news, of course they are gonna talk about it. I think it's a myth that progressive talkers "constantly criticize" big business. They do sometimes criticize greed and corruption, but I would expect talk show hosts to discuss that, no matter who is doing it-- wouldn't you? From lglavin@mail.com Sun Nov 19 13:40:33 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:40:33 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Message-ID: <20061119184033.5E9B5478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Bob Nelson" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:35:03 -0500 >Umm, at the risk of seeming like a shill for Ed Schultz and >Stephanie Miller, both shows are profitable, both have good ratings >in their target demos, neither insults Wal-mart, and yet both have >had trouble getting stations to sign on as affiliates. Thom >Hartmann and Rachel Maddow of Air America similarly don't insult >corporations either. As all talk show hosts do, including the >righties, they question and discuss certain current events. When >corporate greed or corruption is in the news, of course they are >gonna talk about it. I think it's a myth that progressive talkers >"constantly criticize" big business. They do sometimes criticize >greed and corruption, but I would expect talk show hosts to discuss >that, no matter who is doing it-- wouldn't you? One of my favorite shows is the faux-news quiz show "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" on NPR. From time to time, they have aired vicious one-liners against Wal*Mart...and for a period of time the Bentonville behemoth was an UNDERWRITER for the show! -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 13:34:49 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <002b01c70bfc$5e5ce980$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> Message-ID: <006a01c70c0a$e1f3b540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > loud, repetitive and silly as they "entertain"?...... > They're not funny, but all have huge egos and huge ratings, so what's the > matter > with me??> > > Please understand, these people are e-n-t-e-r-t-a-i-n-e-r-s......not news > readers, historians, or teachers. Well, do you find loud, repetitive, huge egos to be e-n-t-e-r-t-a-i-n-i-n-g? I don't. From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Nov 19 14:11:12 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:11:12 -0800 Subject: Talk show talkers Message-ID: <4560AC50.2000000@comcast.net> Tim wrote: Please understand, these people are e-n-t-e-r-t-a-i-n-e-r-s .....not news readers, historians, or teachers. If you listen to or read the words of these folks and taking it as a genuine source of information on which you form your political ideas and opinions, you're skating on thin ice. Really...take them for what they truly are....media entertainers. >>>>> Hi Tim - Thanks for the reply and perspective. Naturally, I do realize that these folks are not news reporters and that they do not have any legitimate credentials. However, they don't entertain, they inform listeners of their political slant, personal perspective and bias - over and over again. People don't know the difference, they just accept them as gospel (right or left) without questioning and that's the American political problem! Same with the campaign advertising, people actually believe what the politicians say! When W "entertained" the conservative talk show hosts in the White House recently with a photo op in the Oval Office, he was certainly "feeding" their egos and the Republican agenda to them so that they can use the "public" airwaves to propagate the White House policy and the boss' talking points - now, is that's whatcha call... entertainment? Honestly, I'm not in a snit about any of this. It doesn't make any difference to me if they speak or not on either side of the dial. The off/on knob on my radio works just fine. Of course, I certainly do not base my political views on what any radio talker (or on TV for that matter) says or does. My rant provoked some b-r-i list reaction and that's agood thing. Happy Thanksgiving to the list! From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 13:40:32 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:40:32 -0500 Subject: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO? References: <000801c70bfd$5ce08d40$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <006b01c70c0a$e247a1a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Jimmy Myers has quite possibly had the most troubled history of any Boston > radio personality--ever. He is also generally thought of as a sports-talk > guy. In fact, though, he is a talented host for issue-oriented talk as well > as for sports, and has proven his ability in both areas at several local > stations. Where has he proven his talent? Where has he been sucessful? > WRKO desperately needs top-flight > talk talent and Myers is not working in radio at this time. Is there a fit? If you want a paranoid schizophrenic on the air with unpredictable behavior, then he is your man. > If Myers could keep his cool and survive the pressures to which he would > doubtless be subjected, I believe that he could really begin a renaissance > at WRKO. A renewal of ascerbic talk? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 13:43:53 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:43:53 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net><002b01c70bfc$5e5ce980$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> <001001c70bfe$cc7ea8c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <006c01c70c0a$e2ac56e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > A big part of the trouble with > many of hosts is their lack of knowledge. OTOH, the ability to consistently > string five or six words together into a coherent sentence while sitting in > front of a live microphone is also a requirement. To cite one example, Al > Franken passed the first test but too often flunked the second. I think Franken could certainly string words together. I don't think any of the words he strung together made any sense. He's a comedian. From me@billoneill.us Sun Nov 19 14:32:15 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:32:15 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO?] Message-ID: <4560B13F.9040405@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > If Myers could keep his cool and survive the pressures to which he would > doubtless be subjected, I believe that he could really begin a renaissance > at WRKO. Jimmy had the best TV sports sign off back on WBZ with "....and that's what it is in sports." Bill O'Neill -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 19 14:41:29 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:41:29 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <006c01c70c0a$e2ac56e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <455F6107.9000202@comcast.net> <002b01c70bfc$5e5ce980$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> <001001c70bfe$cc7ea8c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> <006c01c70c0a$e2ac56e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061119194135.1BFC7C824@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> >it was said-- >I think Franken could certainly string words together. > >I don't think any of the words he strung together made any sense. > >He's a comedian. And that is the big problem with many GMs, on both the right and the left-- they think they should hire "big names" rather than hiring skilled talk show hosts. Franken is only one of many who may be good in their "day job" but couldn't do radio talk effectively-- he kept making it about him, interrupting the guests, being sarcastic, etc. Yes it takes ego to do this sort of format well, but you have to know when to make it about the events rather than about yourself. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 19 17:19:00 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO? In-Reply-To: <006b01c70c0a$e247a1a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <000801c70bfd$5ce08d40$19eefea9@satpro4600> <006b01c70c0a$e247a1a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611191419l4007d989q33e2461ea9c60f9f@mail.gmail.com> >>could Myers survive in the Guest St environment? Michael Holley, an African-American, is surviving just fine over at WEEI and I believe Steve Burton is part of The Big Show there. http://weei.com/Article.asp?id=112471&spid=5394 From sid@wrko.com Sun Nov 19 16:42:49 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:42:49 -0700 Subject: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO? Message-ID: >>WRKO desperately needs top-flight talk talent and Myers is not working in radio at this time. Is there a fit? With Myers' history, it would certainly take guts even to just consider him. And with Entercom's reputation for having people on the air who are, shall we say, insensitive to the concerns of minoritites, could Myers survive in the Guest St environment? Would he even consider subjecting himself to that environment? If Entercom were to announce that Myers had been hired, would advertisers bring pressure on the company to ditch a guy with Myers' baggage before he ever got to say word one on the air? Or would Ms Kahn simply dismiss the idea of hiring Myers with a statement to the effect that his main appeal is to a demo that WRKO (and Entercom in general) are not courting?<< The bigger question is whether my bosses would want to go through again what they just went through with John DePetro. I seem to recall that repeated instances of opening-mouth-and-inserting-foot are why Myers hasn't stuck around in one place for very long. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 19 17:28:07 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:28:07 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061119184033.5E9B5478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061119184033.5E9B5478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611191428g1a26e704j53363ba8bc79d993@mail.gmail.com> Though we may be comparing apples and oranges here; NPR is (allegedly) non-commercial radio that is partially funded by underwriting. G.E. used to underwrite Marketplace, maybe still does; and the "we bring good things to life" jingle was actually worked into the end theme music. Air America is commercial radio.... And up in New Hamshire, talk host Deborah "Arnie" Arnesen was let go by WTPL-FM and she felt it may have been because she "jokingly" referred to gas-guzzling SUVs as "FUVs"--and auto dealers who bought ads may have been kind of miffed at that... http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/12/arnies_last_sta.html From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Nov 19 22:31:07 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:31:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: omnidirectional circularly polarized FM antenna Message-ID: <20061120033107.D72EA44FDD@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Tech question - how do they work? In an off-list exchange with Dan Strassberg, I managed to ask about this and much to my surprise he didn't send back a wealth of information, claiming he's mostly an AM/MW person. He suggested I talk to the group, but also named names. I'll leave it to the group.... Pretty much what I asked Dan follows. For the less technical folk on the list, light and radio waves can be polarized, common sources of polarized light is blue sky, especially 90 degrees away from the sun or reflected light, e.g. off glass or roadways. Typical polarization is in a plane, but if you combine a vertically polarized source with the same source horizontally polarized and delayed by a 1/4 wavelength you get a circularly polarized signal where the engery spirals out instead of vibrating up/down or back/forth. Millstone Hill Observatory is part of Haystack Observatory and shares a road with various sites operated by Lincoln Labs. Driving up the hill is a good way to see some remarkable antennae - http://www.haystack.mit.edu/atm/mho/index.html . Bicycling is better, you get a longer look and can wonder what you're being fried with. --- It's puzzled me a bit that FM often uses circular polarization. I'm familiar with CP light, and have seen helical antennae along the road through Millstone Hill Observatory that I figured were CP VHF/UHF for ionospheric experiments or static noise suppression for satellite reception. My guess was that CP on broadcast FM could work with whip receiving antennae at any angle and maybe with set-top rabbit ears. I'd also expect to see CP receiving antennae at Radio Shack, well, maybe elsewhere! Perhaps the fancier set-top boxes with the rotary switches include some lag/lead networks to capture CP. I did a Google search, and noted that there are some vertical and horizontal FM stations. I hadn't considered that CP would be good against multi-path, well, even path, signals. Clearly I've spent too much time bouncing light back instead of forward! I also came across a flat CP receiving antenna - it uses an "X" shape where one diagonal is too long and the other is too short to be perfectly tuned dipoles. The result is a 90 degree phaseshift. Cute. See http://users.tns.net/~bb/attic.htm for details. http://www.astronwireless.com/polarization.html is good too. Finally, what does an omnidirectional CP transmitter antenna look like, anyway? The vertical component is no problem, of course, but does the horizontal part need some serious compromises? --- I answered the "look like" query, one commercial source has links to pictures and darwings, but I'm still not sure how they work! http://www.shively.com/nav-fmantennas.php -Ric Werme From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Nov 20 01:52:27 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:27 -0500 Subject: omnidirectional circularly polarized FM antenna In-Reply-To: <20061120033107.D72EA44FDD@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20061120033107.D72EA44FDD@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17761.20651.429843.27202@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Finally, what does an omnidirectional CP transmitter antenna look like, > anyway? The vertical component is no problem, of course, but does the > horizontal part need some serious compromises? TV antennas, of course, are mostly horizontally-polarized, although some are also circular and some are elliptical. On the FM side, some of them use separate H and V sections, and some of them use an integrated circular design. Shively's 6814 is of the latter design; you can also compare their 6812B . A pure-vertical antenna is shown at , and a pure-horizontal looks like this: . The 6017 is a broadband CP antenna and is perhaps the clearest photo to look at: ; compare the broadband panel 6016P: . Similar products are available from ERI, Dielectric, and several other manufacturers; if you are so inclined, you can get data sheets from many of them. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:35 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:35 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <002001c70b0d$9a7cd0a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <45610A63.7846.11FCFED@localhost> On 18 Nov 2006 at 7:32, Dan Strassberg wrote: > IMO, WCRB's current signal from FM-128 is not as good as was the > signal from the WBZ-TV tower. I think it's too bad that WCRB couldn't > or wouldn't move back after the work on the TV tower was completed. > I'm sure that the move to FM-128 was expensive and the move back to > the TV tower would have been even more expensive; FM-128 already had > an antenna that WCRB could use, after the TV tower was rebuilt, there > was no such antenna there. If a move back was even theoretically > possible (meaning if there was room on the TV tower and the tower > could support the antenna and transmission line), it probably wouldn't > have been economically justifiable. I don't know, but when they moved to FM-128, I noticed an improvement in my office downtown, mainly in less noise from images. But that didn't last. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:36 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <006c01c70c0a$e2ac56e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45610A64.28962.11FD28F@localhost> On 19 Nov 2006 at 13:43, Don A. wrote: > I think Franken could certainly string words together. > > I don't think any of the words he strung together made any sense. > > He's a comedian. I happen to like Al Franken's Show. His discussion of current affairs is intelligent and literate, without the shouting of some of the Ranters. He has interesting guests, and he often comes up with funny bits as well. One of my big problems with him (both his show and his books) is that sometimes it's hard to tell when he's joking and when he isn't. If he decides to run for the Senate in 2008 (and I suspect he will), he's going to have to do better in that department. I don't think he will be any more successful than John Kerry at claiming that a remark for which he is being lambasted was just a joke. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:36 -0500 Subject: Talk Show people In-Reply-To: <20061119194135.1BFC7C824@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <006c01c70c0a$e2ac56e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45610A64.7512.11FD32F@localhost> On 19 Nov 2006 at 14:41, Donna Halper wrote: > And that is the big problem with many GMs, on both the right and the > left-- they think they should hire "big names" rather than hiring > skilled talk show hosts. Franken is only one of many who may be good > in their "day job" but couldn't do radio talk effectively-- he kept > making it about him, interrupting the guests, being sarcastic, etc. > Yes it takes ego to do this sort of format well, but you have to know > when to make it about the events rather than about yourself. There's a place for big names. Al Franken brought a lot of attention and creds to Air America radio as a start-up network. It's no coincidence that all the taxicab signs that WKOX/WXKS had a couple of years ago had Al Franken on them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:36 -0500 Subject: Local News Departments In-Reply-To: <027f01c70bad$ed9d3860$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45610A64.20608.11FD109@localhost> On 19 Nov 2006 at 2:35, Don A. wrote: > I have heard that the reason the FCC persisted with this case to the > degree that they did, was because Tip O'Neil had an ax to grind with > General Tire/Rubbah. (I understand this was only the 2nd time in > History that a TV station lost it's licence, the first being the old > WHDH-TV Ch 5.) I hadn't heard that about Tip O' Neill before, but I was wondering if there were political overtones in that action. There may well have been political overtones in the loss of the WHDH- TV license by the Herald Traveler. The H-T was the voice of the Republican Party in Massachusetts at the time, and the Globe was the leading Democratic paper with some affinity for the Kennedys. The Globe had major objections to the Herald-Traveler having, in addition to its newspaper interests, an AM and FM radio station and a television station. The "ex-party contact" consisted of the Herald-Traveler publisher having lunch one day with the chairman of the FCC. There is no evidence that the pending TV license was even mentioned by either of them. This, however, was given as the reason to set aside the award of the TV license to the Herald-Traveler. Then, because the award of the license was set aside, the proceeding which followed was not a licence-renewal proceeding, but an original award proceeding, with a comparative analysis of the various applicants. And because of the character of the proceeding, WHDH-TV was not treated as an incumbent licensee and therefore got no credit for its record of public service, as an incumbent licensee would. All of this seems perfectly legal, but I've always wondered what role politics played in the long battle. The original award of the TV license to the H-T was made by a Republican-dominated FCC, appointed by Eisenhower. The setting-aside of the award was done by a Kennedy- appointed FCC, and the award of the channel to someone other than the H-T was done by an FCC appointed by Kennedy and Johnson. It then went to the courts. The ability of courts to overturn administrative decisions is limited to finding legal error in the record. I don't know whether different judges might have found legal error, but I'm sure that by the time the case got to the courts, Nixon had not yet appointed very many judges. Now, maybe I'm wrong, and maybe this was just a legal battle, but the appearance of political motivation is there. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:36 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061118181438.9D8A144C016@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45610A64.17705.11FD087@localhost> On 18 Nov 2006 at 13:14, Donna Halper wrote: > Randi Rhodes used to get excellent > reaction but lately she is perceived as being too much into "endless > rant" mode, a disease that also afflicts some of the less successful > rightie talkers. Funny, that's what I haven't liked about Ed Schultz when I've listened to him. Stephanie Miller goes into rants too, but she manages to break it up with amusing routines, quotes, mimics by one of her supporting cast, and other things. And phone calls. I think the hosts who have voices other than themselves on their show sound better. This is true of most shows. I even liked LTAR better when Bob had a guest. When he talked by himself for the whole half- hour, it tended to get dull. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 01:52:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:36 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <20061119184033.5E9B5478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45610A64.2002.11FD1AE@localhost> On 19 Nov 2006 at 13:40, Laurence Glavin wrote: > One of my favorite shows is the faux-news quiz show "Wait, Wait Don't > Tell Me" on NPR. From time to time, they have aired vicious > one-liners against Wal*Mart...and for a period of time the Bentonville > behemoth was an UNDERWRITER for the show! And one of my favorite features on the Al Franken Show is his spoof called "Wait, Wait Don't Lie To Me." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Nov 20 13:20:19 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:20:19 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? Message-ID: <20061120182024.4D0BE1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org, "'Ric Werme'" , "Jeff Lehmann" , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:35 -0500 >On 18 Nov 2006 at 7:32, Dan Strassberg wrote: > IMO, WCRB's current signal from FM-28 is not as good as was the > signal from the WBZ-TV tower. I think it's too bad that WCRB couldn't > or wouldn't move back after the work on the TV tower was completed. >I don't know, but when they moved to FM-128, I noticed an improvement >in my office downtown, mainly in less noise from images. But that >didn't last. Well, for one thing, when they moved from the WBZ-TV tower to the old WHDH-TV5 tower, they were a skosh closer, and 100-feet higher. When you say "that didn't last" do you mean after the storm that blew away the former combined WBOS/WCRB antenna? -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 20 15:12:23 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:12:23 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements Message-ID: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> Yesterday afternoon I was listening to WKLB and heard two announcements of the coming move. They even said that it was taking place at noon. They aren't making the announcements as often as WCRB is doing, but they have begun to make them. I'm curious about something, though. Will the ownership actually change at noon, or will there be some paperwork for a temporary LMA pending the final closing of ownership? And will the actual call- letters shift at noon, or will each station have to have an on-hour legal ID with the old call letters for awhile? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 20 15:26:53 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:26:53 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements References: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c70ce2$3b9dfba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I was under the impression that the ownership of both stations as well as that of WJJZ Burlington NJ (Philadelphia), which is also involved, had already changed at least a week ago--but I could be wrong. As for the call signs, I don't think FCC rules require the Commission to announce them when appoved; I think the Commission, at its discretion, is allowed to withhold public notification of call-sign changes until they actually occur. The FCC adopted this rule decades ago when stations complained that early public announcement of call-sign changes could provide competitors with advanced notice of format changes, enabling them to "steal" formats. So if the ownership changes have taken place, as I believe they have, the new call signs should be part of legal IDs beginning at noon on December 1. We'll see. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: WKLB announcements > Yesterday afternoon I was listening to WKLB and heard two > announcements of the coming move. They even said that it was taking > place at noon. They aren't making the announcements as often as WCRB > is doing, but they have begun to make them. > > I'm curious about something, though. Will the ownership actually > change at noon, or will there be some paperwork for a temporary LMA > pending the final closing of ownership? And will the actual call- > letters shift at noon, or will each station have to have an on-hour > legal ID with the old call letters for awhile? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 17:15:04 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:15:04 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <001d01c70ce2$3b9dfba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> <001d01c70ce2$3b9dfba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611201415x7aad44bbg903b6ab2776c6b44@mail.gmail.com> WKLB started the on-air announcements last Friday I believe (after letting "VIP club members--I recently joined--in on the info a few days before). >>will each station have to have an on-hour legal ID with the old call letters for awhile? That may well happen. (Said "quietly" or "quickly", "buried" but still audible...). So you might hear the new "Country 102.5, WKLB...Boston!" jingle (yes, they'll say Boston in the jingle but we know it's not the COL) frequently but at the top of the hour you could conceivably still hear a quick "WCRB Waltham" until the call change is official... From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 20 17:45:46 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:45:46 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements References: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> Message-ID: <001e01c70cf5$a522f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> Well, now that you've got my two cents' worth saying one thing and Bob Nelson's saying pretty much the exact opposite, you'll either have to wait a week and find out for yourself or hope that Scott or Garrett chime in with the definitive word. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: WKLB announcements > Yesterday afternoon I was listening to WKLB and heard two > announcements of the coming move. They even said that it was taking > place at noon. They aren't making the announcements as often as WCRB > is doing, but they have begun to make them. > > I'm curious about something, though. Will the ownership actually > change at noon, or will there be some paperwork for a temporary LMA > pending the final closing of ownership? And will the actual call- > letters shift at noon, or will each station have to have an on-hour > legal ID with the old call letters for awhile? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Nov 20 17:52:47 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:52:47 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <001e01c70cf5$a522f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> <001e01c70cf5$a522f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <17762.12735.891948.411093@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Well, now that you've got my two cents' worth saying one thing and Bob > Nelson's saying pretty much the exact opposite, you'll either have to wait a > week and find out for yourself or hope that Scott or Garrett chime in with > the definitive word. It's mentioned in today's NERW, buried a few screens down below all the CCU restructuring. -GAWollman From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Nov 20 18:03:53 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:03:53 -0500 Subject: omnidirectional circularly polarized FM antenna In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:52:27 EST." <17761.20651.429843.27202@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20061120230353.3233144FF5@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > < said: > > > Finally, what does an omnidirectional CP transmitter antenna look like, > > anyway? The vertical component is no problem, of course, but does the > > horizontal part need some serious compromises? > On the FM side, some of them use separate H and V sections, and some > of them use an integrated circular design. Thanks for looking at more of the antennas than I did, I did read something about multiple panels can be nearly omnidirectional, http://www.shively.com/ds-6016p.php is that design and is +/- 2db. I guess my mental model for the ring shaped radiators will include the fact that the round shape makes a width much less than a dipole would be. That means there's not enough space for signals to cancel to create lobes ala directional antennae. The energy has to get out, and it does so omnidirectionally. -Ric Werme From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 20 18:14:01 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:14:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <001e01c70cf5$a522f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <4561C5D7.12391.57A104@localhost> <001e01c70cf5$a522f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <46991.66.195.169.98.1164064441.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> > Well, now that you've got my two cents' worth saying one thing and Bob > Nelson's saying pretty much the exact opposite, you'll either have to wait > a > week and find out for yourself or hope that Scott or Garrett chime in with > the definitive word. With the caveat that I've been too busy pulling an airshift this afternoon to look closely at the actual sale contracts, I believe there's an LMA in place now under which Nassau (or perhaps still Charles River?) is operating 102.5, the sale of which has closed to Greater, and under which Greater is operating 99.5, the sale of which has closed to Nassau. I will be pulling an airshift on 12/1, as well, making it impractical for me to drive to Boston, so if anyone would like to volunteer now to record the 99.5 and 102.5 swap for posterity, I'd be ever so grateful... s From tmw207@netzero.net Mon Nov 20 17:49:35 2006 From: tmw207@netzero.net (Terry Wood) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:49:35 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. References: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <45610A64.17705.11FD087@localhost> Message-ID: <001901c70cf6$28a24600$55319141@p> Today, Howie is working with one line...could 6 pm come and howie says goodbye to Boston? ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. > On 18 Nov 2006 at 13:14, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Randi Rhodes used to get excellent >> reaction but lately she is perceived as being too much into "endless >> rant" mode, a disease that also afflicts some of the less successful >> rightie talkers. > > Funny, that's what I haven't liked about Ed Schultz when I've > listened to him. Stephanie Miller goes into rants too, but she > manages to break it up with amusing routines, quotes, mimics by one > of her supporting cast, and other things. And phone calls. > > I think the hosts who have voices other than themselves on their show > sound better. This is true of most shows. I even liked LTAR better > when Bob had a guest. When he talked by himself for the whole half- > hour, it tended to get dull. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0649-2, 11/20/2006 > Tested on: 11/20/2006 11:16:09 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0649-2, 11/20/2006 Tested on: 11/20/2006 5:49:38 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From sid@wrko.com Mon Nov 20 19:59:02 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:59:02 -0700 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. Message-ID: >>Today, Howie is working with one line...could 6 pm come and howie says goodbye to Boston?<< Calm down, everyone. The explanation is really quite simple: We're having a phone-line problem, which many take some time to repair. All the call-in lines have been rerouted to the one line which is working. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 19:04:05 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:04:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Could Jimmy Myers survive (even prosper) at WRKO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061121000405.26939.qmail@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > The bigger question is whether my bosses would want to go through > again > what they just went through with John DePetro. I seem to recall that > repeated instances of opening-mouth-and-inserting-foot are why Myers > hasn't stuck around in one place for very long. Myers never went to the extremes that DePetro did -- namely using homosexual slurs. Myers is more the type that just snapped on an occasion or three. He produces entertaining radio, since he's a good broadcaster. From what I've heard, he also has been his own worst enemy. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Nov 20 20:17:53 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:17:53 -0500 Subject: Axe falls on WRKO news Dept. In-Reply-To: <45610A64.17705.11FD087@localhost> References: <027901c70b39$b393d580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <45610A64.17705.11FD087@localhost> Message-ID: On Nov 20, 2006, at 1:52 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I think the hosts who have voices other than themselves on their show > sound better. This is true of most shows. I even liked LTAR better > when Bob had a guest. When he talked by himself for the whole half- > hour, it tended to get dull. I've thought that of many talk show hosts. One somewhat surprising standout was the beloved David Brudnoy. When he had guests on (which was most of the time), he was intelligent, probing, and a great listener. When he was on by himself, I was often shocked by how nasty and boring he could be. He'd rant against "Bubba" and lazy schoolkids like a one-note Salem network hack. Or maybe that is just another example of how "entertainment value" translates to "agreement." From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 21 00:42:09 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:42:09 -0500 Subject: Changing frequencies - changing transmitters? Power? In-Reply-To: <20061120182024.4D0BE1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45624B61.13602.6F9A7E@localhost> On 20 Nov 2006 at 13:20, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Well, for one thing, when they moved from the WBZ-TV tower to the old > WHDH-TV5 tower, they were a skosh closer, and 100-feet higher. When > you say "that didn't last" do you mean after the storm that blew away > the former combined WBOS/WCRB antenna? I have no idea when the storm was. All I know is that when the move took place, I had less reception trouble for awhile. I'm not sure how long that lasted, maybe six months. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 21 00:42:09 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:42:09 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <001d01c70ce2$3b9dfba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45624B61.3158.6F9AF9@localhost> On 20 Nov 2006 at 15:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I was under the impression that the ownership of both stations as well > as that of WJJZ Burlington NJ (Philadelphia), which is also involved, > had already changed at least a week ago--but I could be wrong. As for > the call signs, I don't think FCC rules require the Commission to > announce them when appoved; I think the Commission, at its discretion, > is allowed to withhold public notification of call-sign changes until > they actually occur. The FCC adopted this rule decades ago when > stations complained that early public announcement of call-sign > changes could provide competitors with advanced notice of format > changes, enabling them to "steal" formats. So if the ownership changes > have taken place, as I believe they have, the new call signs should be > part of legal IDs beginning at noon on December 1. We'll see. Sounds reasonable. And if the ownership changes have already taken place, there must be some agreement for a short-term LMA or something, so that WCRB can keep operating on 102.5 and WKLB on 99.5 until 1 December. So now the big question is, which changeover do I want to listen to, the one on 99.5 or the one on 102.5? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 04:29:29 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:29:29 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <45624B61.3158.6F9AF9@localhost> References: <001d01c70ce2$3b9dfba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <45624B61.3158.6F9AF9@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611210129w2a9cbec8s7845e1954c2b445f@mail.gmail.com> For anyone curious, I will be taping the switchover and will post a link to it on this list. For a short time, people will be able to download it... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 04:32:06 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:32:06 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.com> The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, probably by early next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of "WBZ-TV 4" and less, if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=168292 From hykker@grolen.com Tue Nov 21 07:30:57 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:30:57 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.co m> References: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061121072930.01a980e8@grolen.com> At 04:32 AM 11/21/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, probably by early >next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of "WBZ-TV 4" and less, >if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... Always questioned the wisdom of that move in the first place..."CBS4Boston" sounds so clunky & the WBZ brand is so strong. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 From me@billoneill.us Tue Nov 21 07:47:40 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:47:40 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061121072930.01a980e8@grolen.com> References: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061121072930.01a980e8@grolen.com> Message-ID: <4562F56C.7010403@billoneill.us> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Always questioned the wisdom of that move in the first > place..."CBS4Boston" sounds so clunky & the WBZ brand is so strong. > That had to be one of the absolutely dumbest decisions ever made in Boston broadcast history. You have to assume it was made from New York. Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Nov 21 08:31:58 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:31:58 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061121072930.01a980e8@grolen.com> Message-ID: <013a01c70d71$6c1f3ac0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I agree. 'Bout time. If WBZ-TV wants to go "back to the future," maybe they should consider bringing back that Group W block font (I don't know its name) for their logos. It's totally unique --- and I don't think it's ever lost its edge. Three of the former Group W stations still use it. Combine it with the CBS eye, and there you have it! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > At 04:32 AM 11/21/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: > > >The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, probably by early > >next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of "WBZ-TV 4" and less, > >if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... > > > Always questioned the wisdom of that move in the first > place..."CBS4Boston" sounds so clunky & the WBZ brand is so strong. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 21 08:13:24 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:13:24 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements References: <45624B61.3158.6F9AF9@localhost> Message-ID: <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for 102.5. Then, shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be parked in a place where you get good reception of both signals, and start switching between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a casette recorder with microphone with you and tape the whole confusing mess ;>) With two more radios in your office or house, each with a microphone-equipped casette recorder, you can also create separate tapes of 99.5 and 102.5. My guess is that you won't have to buy any radios for this exercise; you probably have enough. But you might have to buy one or more casette recorders--ones that can operate from AC power. Garden variety battery-operated casette recorders without external power jacks are not convenient to set up for remote starting. And you may also have to buy a couple of clock-timers to start the radios and casette recorders in your house or office at an appropriate time. I leave it to you to decide whether you want the tapes badly enough to go through this convoluted exercise. However, radio geeks have been known to do more work than this for a smaller payoff. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:42 AM Subject: Re: WKLB announcements > On 20 Nov 2006 at 15:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I was under the impression that the ownership of both stations as well > > as that of WJJZ Burlington NJ (Philadelphia), which is also involved, > > had already changed at least a week ago--but I could be wrong. As for > > the call signs, I don't think FCC rules require the Commission to > > announce them when appoved; I think the Commission, at its discretion, > > is allowed to withhold public notification of call-sign changes until > > they actually occur. The FCC adopted this rule decades ago when > > stations complained that early public announcement of call-sign > > changes could provide competitors with advanced notice of format > > changes, enabling them to "steal" formats. So if the ownership changes > > have taken place, as I believe they have, the new call signs should be > > part of legal IDs beginning at noon on December 1. We'll see. > > Sounds reasonable. And if the ownership changes have already taken > place, there must be some agreement for a short-term LMA or > something, so that WCRB can keep operating on 102.5 and WKLB on 99.5 > until 1 December. > > So now the big question is, which changeover do I want to listen to, > the one on 99.5 or the one on 102.5? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From ewerme@comcast.net Tue Nov 21 08:48:23 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:48:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: WKLB announcements Message-ID: <20061121134823.AD6A6463F6@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Dan wrote: > Well, now that you've got my two cents' worth saying one thing and Bob > Nelson's saying pretty much the exact opposite, you'll either have to wait a > week and find out for yourself or hope that Scott or Garrett chime in with > the definitive word. Oh good, I thought I was the only one confused here. I'll be listening to 99.5 since I can't receive 102.5 due to adjacent channel interference with 102.3 in Concord NH. My daughter is having oral surgery to remove her wisdom teeth on Dec 1, but my wife is covering it since she has more post-op experience. Thinking back, I don't recall listening to a swap like this before. I heard WQED-FM (Pittsburgh, PA), WEVO (Concord NH), and WCNH-LP (Concord NH) start FM broadcasting. I was near Cleveland when TV KYW (and staff) went back to Philadelphia and WKYC came to Cleveland. I was only 14 then and still don't see the wisdom in that swap. (Details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKYC-TV ). It did result in Cleveland winding up with two great TV meteorologists when Dick Goddard left Philadelphia and came back to Cleveland on WJW while Wally Kinnan stayed at WKYC. -Ric Werme From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 09:21:35 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:21:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:32:06 Bob Nelson wrote: > The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, > probably by early > next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of > "WBZ-TV 4" and less, > if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... > > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=168292 > Good, now when will they come to the same realization here in the Capital District of NY and restore the historic WRGB call letters and imaging to channel 6, and remove the same awful, generic, CBS-6 Albany crap that I'm sure was dictated by network HQ on somebody's whim? (This despite the fact that the station is not only licensed to, but also has an encyclopedia full of history with Schenectady) Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's in less than one year.www.findtherightschool.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 21 09:26:35 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:26:35 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <003e01c70d79$0ced4a30$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > > > Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for > 102.5. Then, > shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be > parked in a > place where you get good reception of both signals, and start > switching > between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a casette > recorder with > microphone with you and tape the whole confusing mess ;>) > > With two more radios in your office or house, each with a > microphone-equipped casette recorder, you can also create > separate tapes of > 99.5 and 102.5. My guess is that you won't have to buy any > radios for this > exercise; you probably have enough. But you might have to buy > one or more > casette recorders--ones that can operate from AC power. Garden variety > battery-operated casette recorders without external power > jacks are not > convenient to set up for remote starting. And you may also > have to buy a > couple of clock-timers to start the radios and casette > recorders in your > house or office at an appropriate time. God, I love it when you real radio guys get technical... Brian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 From rogerkola@aol.com Tue Nov 21 09:37:55 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:37:55 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements References: <003e01c70d79$0ced4a30$6800a8c0@Andrastea> Message-ID: <001601c70d7a$a25b1d80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I actually had a DX tape from a listener in Norway who had one antenna orientation to one receiver on the left stereo channel and another antenna orientation, favoring WESX, on another receiver on the right stereo channel...was cool to swing back and forth. solution: 2 receivers FM Mono, 2 inputs L&R, 2 frequencies = an aircheck for posterity... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: RE: WKLB announcements > > > > > > Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for > > 102.5. Then, > > shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be > > parked in a > > place where you get good reception of both signals, and start > > switching > > between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a casette > > recorder with > > microphone with you and tape the whole confusing mess ;>) > > > > With two more radios in your office or house, each with a > > microphone-equipped casette recorder, you can also create > > separate tapes of > > 99.5 and 102.5. My guess is that you won't have to buy any > > radios for this > > exercise; you probably have enough. But you might have to buy > > one or more > > casette recorders--ones that can operate from AC power. Garden variety > > battery-operated casette recorders without external power > > jacks are not > > convenient to set up for remote starting. And you may also > > have to buy a > > couple of clock-timers to start the radios and casette > > recorders in your > > house or office at an appropriate time. > > God, I love it when you real radio guys get technical... > > Brian > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 > > > From lspin@comcast.net Tue Nov 21 10:02:36 2006 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:02:36 -0500 Subject: Geeky Radio moments - was RE: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <001601c70d7a$a25b1d80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <001501c70d7e$15f4beb0$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Ok. This is becoming a cool thread... My geekiest radio recording moment: I happened to catch Mark Parenteau with the WBCN van doing a live remote at a local beach. I rushed home and tuned my police scanner to their remote frequency, somewhere around 470 MHz. Then I tuned in to BCN on my radio. I recorded the scanner into one stereo channel while recording BCN in the other channel. Parenteau was wild, and somewhat revealing in his behind-the-mike candor. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kolakowski Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:38 AM To: brian_vita@cssinc.com; 'Dan Strassberg'; 'A. Joseph Ross' Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WKLB announcements I actually had a DX tape from a listener in Norway who had one antenna orientation to one receiver on the left stereo channel and another antenna orientation, favoring WESX, on another receiver on the right stereo channel...was cool to swing back and forth. solution: 2 receivers FM Mono, 2 inputs L&R, 2 frequencies = an aircheck for posterity... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Dan Strassberg'" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: RE: WKLB announcements > > > > > > Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for > > 102.5. Then, > > shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be > > parked in a > > place where you get good reception of both signals, and start > > switching > > between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a casette > > recorder with > > microphone with you and tape the whole confusing mess ;>) > > > > With two more radios in your office or house, each with a > > microphone-equipped casette recorder, you can also create > > separate tapes of > > 99.5 and 102.5. My guess is that you won't have to buy any > > radios for this > > exercise; you probably have enough. But you might have to buy > > one or more > > casette recorders--ones that can operate from AC power. Garden variety > > battery-operated casette recorders without external power > > jacks are not > > convenient to set up for remote starting. And you may also > > have to buy a > > couple of clock-timers to start the radios and casette > > recorders in your > > house or office at an appropriate time. > > God, I love it when you real radio guys get technical... > > Brian > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 > > > From me@billoneill.us Tue Nov 21 10:23:38 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:23:38 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <45624B61.3158.6F9AF9@localhost> <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <456319FA.1020801@billoneill.us> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for 102.5. Then, > shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be parked in a > place where you get good reception of both signals, and start switching > between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a casette... I'll have to remember to also bring the chocolate chip cookies, extra pens in the pocket protector, a compass, decoder ring, and a welding mask. (Hey if you're going to do it....) Bill O'Neill From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 10:27:26 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:27:26 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WKLB announcements Message-ID: <45631ADE.2060400@Gmail.com> Our favorite Radio Raccoon wrote, > >>will each station have to have an on-hour > >>legal ID with the old call letters for awhile? > > That may well happen. (Said "quietly" or "quickly", "buried" > but still audible...). So you might hear the new > "Country 102.5, WKLB...Boston!" jingle (yes, they'll say > Boston in the jingle but we know it's not the COL) frequently > but at the top of the hour you could conceivably still hear a > quick "WCRB Waltham" until the call change is official... Or??like I think they did with either the 96.9-105.7 or 96.9-99.5 switches??give the legal ID within the redirection advisory: "It's __o'clock and you've found the NEW home of *WKLB BOSTON*, 102.5! If you are looking for 'wcrb waltham', they've moved to 99.5." ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Nov 21 10:28:36 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:28:36 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Matt, I couldn't agree more --- and made exactly this point in this forum about a month ago. WRGB is the oldest television station in the world(!), has an incredibly rich history, call letters that everyone knows (my Schenectady relatives, to a person, all still refer to it as WRGB), and --- as you pointed out --- is IN SCHENECTADY, not Albany. I wonder whether, in this case, the decision to adopt the "CBS6 Albany" moniker came from the folks at Freedom Broadcasting, not CBS. I can understand how CBS can make a top-down mandate like that for its O&Os, but WRGB isn't network-owned. You should write letters to the Times Union and the Schenectady Gazette. WRGB might just be interested in what you have to say. -Doug P.S.: While we're on this rant, would you like to address the subject of Clear Channel's "810 WGY Schenectady/ALBANY"? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Bob Nelson" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:32:06 Bob Nelson wrote: > > > The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, > > probably by early > > next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of > > "WBZ-TV 4" and less, > > if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... > > > > > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=168292 > > > > Good, now when will they come to the same realization > here in the Capital District of NY and restore the > historic WRGB call letters and imaging to channel 6, > and remove the same awful, generic, CBS-6 Albany crap > that I'm sure was dictated by network HQ on somebody's > whim? (This despite the fact that the station is not > only licensed to, but also has an encyclopedia full of > history with Schenectady) > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sponsored Link > > Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's > in less than one year.www.findtherightschool.com > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 11:05:22 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:05:22 +0000 Subject: Globe: FCC clears way to seal WLVI sale Message-ID: <456323C2.1010606@Gmail.com> ? The Federal Communications has approved the transfer ? of the broadcasting license of WLVI-TV (Channel 56) ? to WHDH-TV (Channel 7), the last major hurdle to the ? sale of Channel 56 to Channel 7's parent company. (Continued) http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2006/11/21/fcc_clears_way_to_seal_wlvi_sale?mode=PF With W56 showing their news crew the door, that means there will be more newshounds pounding the pavement??BTW, any hints on Gary LaPierre's replacement (I vote for either Rod Fritz or Listo Fisher)? ~Kaimbridge~ (Hey! While I knew that LVI is 56 Roman, I just realized that 56 decimal = 38 hexadecimal. Does that mean that WB or CW is decimal for UPN hexadecimal? P=) ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Nov 21 11:26:08 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:26:08 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Amazing but true-- people know who you are by your NAME and if you use a generic when you have a heritage identity, it just confuses people. I never understood why WBZ changed over to CBS4-- I mean, nothing wrong with the CBS calls, but the station is a Boston institution-- first TV station in Boston (we had a mechanical TV station back in 1928, but I mean the first of the electronic stations) and a largely positive reputation. Why they agreed to go generic made no sense. WBZ radio (September 1921) and WBZ TV (June 1948) are one of the rare cases of using the same call letters since the day they first went on the air. I never understood why they changed their branding on the TV side, and I am glad they are going back to being who they always were. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 12:43:47 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:43:47 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> The decision to go to "CBS4" came of course from the network; as the article states, "...a mandate from CBS, which ordered stations that it owned across the country to take on the CBS look" I remember the promos they ran when they did the network affiliation switch. Liz Walker was saying "I'm still gonna be here, Jack's still gonna be here..." As if people assumed that the network switch would be taking away the local newscasters! Well, the decision to "brand" them did deprive their identity of those heritage WBZ calls. And how about that program director on the radio side years ago who figured the syndie Tom Synder show would be better than the local guy they had; Brudnoy...Go figure. When outsiders come in to a heritage station... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 12:53:08 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:53:08 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <45631ADE.2060400@Gmail.com> References: <45631ADE.2060400@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611210953v368c7355p84ea54833d9874b3@mail.gmail.com> The setup I have is a component stereo (receiver, CD player, cassette deck) right next to my computer and when I want to tape onto the computer hard drive, I use an adapter (RCA plugs into receiver, 1/8" plug into computer). AudioRecordWizard3 not only allows me to record from an outside source but I can set a timer. If it's a long file I also have software to chop it up into smaller files. What I may do is set the radio to 102.5 and tape that changeover onto the computer. I have two recordable Walkmen (and an AC adapter if necessary) for the 99.5 changeover (and can use the second one just as a spare for 102.5, who knows). The 102.5 changeover will be posted here fairly quickly. As for the 99.5 I'll have to take those RCA plugs that were in the back of the receiver, switch them to the cass. deck, and dub to computer from there. In each case it takes a few minutes to upload the file via FTP. I was in Derry/Salem/Windham, NH area yesterday btw and noticed WCRB came in fairly strong so any WKLB listeners in that area need not switch their allegiance to the likes of WOKQ 97.5, but yes those in the Concord NH area who want to keep hearing WKLB would have to do so on their computer due to the 102.3 in Concord area! >>a casette recorder with microphone I think Sony still makes recordable Walkmen like the ones I have (in the past such devices were also made by Aiwa, Panasonic, etc.). In my case there's the convenience of taping right off the radio but they also have condenser mics and jacks for stereo mics (have used the latter to tape a local folk music festival, or panels at a "furry cartoon" convention I go to, with pretty good results!) From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Nov 21 12:59:54 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:59:54 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17763.16026.919586.693694@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I remember the promos they ran when they did the network affiliation > switch. Liz Walker was saying "I'm still gonna be here, Jack's still > gonna be here..." As if people assumed that the network switch would > be taking away the local newscasters! With respect, Jane Average Viewer doesn't distinguish between the network and the local station. It's all "CBS" (etc.) to her, regardless of how the programs are distributed. (In a sense, the viewers are ahead of the industry here in ignoring the artificial boundary between "local" and "network", particularly in the case of network-owned stations.) -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Nov 21 13:52:24 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:52:24 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> <17763.16026.919586.693694@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <01b701c70d9e$2fbfeed0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <> And with respect to you, Garrett, I have to say I don't agree. I grew up in Mass., and have lived in Maine for 30 years. People know their local stations as LOCAL. Ask any cross-section of "boomers" in the Boston area about their childhood memories of television. Sure, they will remember that "I Love Lucy" was on CBS and that "Bonanza" was on NBC, but they'll also remember that "Big Brother" Bob Emery was on Channel 4, "Captain Bob" Cottle on Channel 5, Major Mudd on Channel 7 --- and that these were local performers doing local shows. People here in central Maine still talk about Eddie Driscoll's crazy humor in his various shows on Channel 2 in Bangor. Similarly, local stations are known today for their newscasts. I'm sure there's no confusing NewsCenter 5 with News7 or CBS4 News. Every television-watching adult Bostonian knows "Chronicle" is a production of Channel 5. And I'll betcha most of them know the call letters of each of the stations, too, "CBS4" notwithstanding. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > < said: > > > I remember the promos they ran when they did the network affiliation > > switch. Liz Walker was saying "I'm still gonna be here, Jack's still > > gonna be here..." As if people assumed that the network switch would > > be taking away the local newscasters! > > With respect, Jane Average Viewer doesn't distinguish between the > network and the local station. It's all "CBS" (etc.) to her, > regardless of how the programs are distributed. (In a sense, the > viewers are ahead of the industry here in ignoring the artificial > boundary between "local" and "network", particularly in the case of > network-owned stations.) > > -GAWollman > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 14:08:21 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:08:21 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <01b701c70d9e$2fbfeed0$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> <17763.16026.919586.693694@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <01b701c70d9e$2fbfeed0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611211108y7807dd64qb1fb0f486e7825d1@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/06, Doug Drown wrote: People know their local > stations as LOCAL. Ask any cross-section of "boomers" in the Boston area > about their childhood memories of television. and they'll remember the stations easily Candlepins for Cash? 7 Creature Double Feature (back occasionally now)?: 56 Ask the Manager (had a cult following)? 38 Community Auditions? 4 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Nov 21 14:28:59 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:28:59 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611211108y7807dd64qb1fb0f486e7825d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <79309.52703.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018a01c70d81$b74197e0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> <17763.16026.919586.693694@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <01b701c70d9e$2fbfeed0$6401a8c0@pastor2> <1fbbbced0611211108y7807dd64qb1fb0f486e7825d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17763.21371.438220.718787@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > and they'll remember the stations easily > Candlepins for Cash? 7 > Creature Double Feature (back occasionally now)?: 56 > Ask the Manager (had a cult following)? 38 > Community Auditions? 4 I don't think my parents would remember any of these, or even the equivalent programs on channels 3, 8, and 30 (they grew up in central Connecticut); 4, 7, and 9 (Washington); 3, 5, 6, 12, and 22 (I grew up in northern Vermont); 2, 4, and 8 (Reno); or 5, 11, and 17 (Raleigh). Like a large and growing number of Americans, they haven't stayed in one market for more than half a dozen years since I got out of high school. That's particularly true here in market #6 (although I don't have the time right now to look up the precise number in the census statistics) since so many people come here from elsewhere to go to college and then settle down. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Nov 21 19:26:42 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:26:42 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? Message-ID: <20061122002650.872E2D089@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> What's this I hear about Randi Rhodes leaving AAR effective immediately??? From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 00:35:56 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:35:56 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <45631ADE.2060400@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <45639B6C.13820.4F2689@localhost> On 21 Nov 2006 at 15:27, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Or??????like I think they did with either the 96.9-105.7 or 96.9-99.5 > switches??????give the legal ID within the redirection advisory: > > "It's __o'clock and you've found the NEW home of > *WKLB BOSTON*, 102.5! If you are looking for > 'wcrb waltham', they've moved to 99.5." Would that be a legal ID? Can you have a legal ID which says this is NOT WCRB Waltham when it is? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 00:35:57 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:35:57 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061121072930.01a980e8@grolen.com> References: <1fbbbced0611210132l4287a05bk53e9e127a4d78786@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <45639B6D.24086.4F27F1@localhost> On 21 Nov 2006 at 7:30, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > At 04:32 AM 11/21/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: > > >The "venerable" WBZ name is coming back to Ch 4, probably by early > >next year. So you might be hearing a lot more of "WBZ-TV 4" and less, > >if anything, of "CBS4Boston"... > > > Always questioned the wisdom of that move in the first > place..."CBS4Boston" sounds so clunky & the WBZ brand is so strong. It's a good thing they didn't actually change the call letters, since they probably wouldn't have been able to get the old ones back. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 00:35:57 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:35:57 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <45639B6D.23336.4F288D@localhost> On 21 Nov 2006 at 8:13, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Set one pushbutton on you car radio for 99.5 and another for 102.5. > Then, shortly before noon, get settled in the car, which should be > parked in a place where you get good reception of both signals, and > start switching between the two at brief intervals (30 sec?). Bring a > casette recorder with microphone with you and tape the whole confusing > mess ;>) Actually, I think I can tape one on my livingroom stereo system and the other on an old boombox that I have. I'll have to tape the 99.5 change on the boombox, since it can't get a good signal on 102.5 around here. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 00:35:57 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:35:57 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <45639B6D.30968.4F29C7@localhost> On 21 Nov 2006 at 12:43, Bob Nelson wrote: > I remember the promos they ran when they did the network affiliation > switch. Liz Walker was saying "I'm still gonna be here, Jack's still > gonna be here..." As if people assumed that the network switch would > be taking away the local newscasters! Well, the decision to "brand" > them did deprive their identity of those heritage WBZ calls. I didn't think they began to say "CBS4" instead of WBZ-TV when the affiliate switch took place. It was my recollection that the ownership change came some time after the affiliate switch, and the use of CBS4 as the brand came still later. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 00:35:57 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:35:57 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <17763.16026.919586.693694@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <1fbbbced0611210943u369d7bc3mcd427ba6f55a5b12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45639B6D.12434.4F2A45@localhost> On 21 Nov 2006 at 12:59, Garrett Wollman wrote: > With respect, Jane Average Viewer doesn't distinguish between the > network and the local station. It's all "CBS" (etc.) to her, > regardless of how the programs are distributed. (In a sense, the > viewers are ahead of the industry here in ignoring the artificial > boundary between "local" and "network", particularly in the case of > network-owned stations.) I think this is true. I remember a couple of years ago on the "West Wing" Yahoo e-group, someone wondered why, in her area, West Wing reruns were running on ABC, when the show was airing on NBC. Some of us tried to explain that it wasn't running on ABC, it was running on her local station, which happened also to be an ABC affiliate, but it was hard getting that point across. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Nov 22 02:16:42 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:16:42 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <45639B6D.30968.4F29C7@localhost> References: <20061121162617.30566CA03@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <45639B6D.30968.4F29C7@localhost> Message-ID: <17763.63834.89240.548920@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I didn't think they began to say "CBS4" instead of WBZ-TV when the > affiliate switch took place. It was my recollection that the > ownership change came some time after the affiliate switch, and the > use of CBS4 as the brand came still later. *Much* later -- within this millennium. (Assuming we're still talking about the news branding here.) Remember after the affiliation swap in 1995, they went through that period of "News 4 New England" and then the "Circle 4 Ranch" (as Bob Lobel put it) before becoming "CBS 4 News". -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 04:24:48 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:24:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ listeners provide updates on Danvers explosion Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611220124x7982c096r58bcb06b2855561b@mail.gmail.com> Saw huge mushroom cloud explosion at about 2:50 am as I was on Rt 128 north, between Rt 114 and Endicott St. exits. Heard loud boom--some have said they could hear it 40 miles away. I went home (could see flames in distance as I drove by Danversport Yacht Club) and tried to get info via TV, radio, and comp. No local news on TV though Ch 5 had a crawl going: huge explosion possibly a propane plant in Danvers on Water St WBZ is getting calls right now from various people in the area and also Carl Stevens is reporting. Thank God for live and local content on radio. From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 22 07:22:34 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:22:34 -0700 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand Message-ID: >>It's a good thing they didn't actually change the call letters, since they probably wouldn't have been able to get the old ones back.<< As long as they didn't change the call sign on the AM side, yes they would. The rule on assignment of call signs (47 CFR ?73.3550) contains this provision: "f) Only four-letter call signs (plus an LP, FM, TV or CA suffix, if used) will be assigned. The four letter call sign for LPFM stations will be followed by the suffix "-LP.'' However, subject to the other provisions of this section, a call sign of a station may be conformed to a commonly owned station holding a three-letter call assignment (plus FM, TV, CA or LP suffixes, if used)." Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 22 11:28:22 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:28:22 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: Message-ID: <01fe01c70e53$3a86dda0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I've often wondered: How did Westinghouse get away with obtaining the old WJZ call letters when it obtained Channel 13 in Baltimore? I assume it had something to do with the company having originally owned WJZ when it was in Newark. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > >>It's a good thing they didn't actually change the call letters, since > they probably wouldn't have been able to get the old ones back.<< > > As long as they didn't change the call sign on the AM side, yes they would. The rule on assignment of call signs (47 CFR ?73.3550) contains this provision: > > "f) Only four-letter call signs (plus an LP, FM, TV or CA suffix, if used) will be assigned. The four letter call sign for LPFM stations will be followed by the suffix "-LP.'' However, subject to the other provisions of this section, a call sign of a station may be conformed to a commonly owned station holding a three-letter call assignment (plus FM, TV, CA or LP suffixes, if used)." > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Nov 22 11:34:01 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:34:01 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <01fe01c70e53$3a86dda0$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on rolinin.bostonradio.org DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.6 rolinin.bostonradio.org <01fe01c70e53$3a86dda0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <45647BF9.8090809@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > I've often wondered: How did Westinghouse get away with obtaining the old > WJZ call letters when it obtained Channel 13 in Baltimore? I assume it had > something to do with the company having originally owned WJZ when it was in > Newark. Indeed it did. The FCC of 1957-58 was unusually amenable to granting semi-new 3-letter calls. Not only did they buy Westinghouse's "heritage" excuse for wanting WJZ in Baltimore, but they allowed the University of Texas to call its new FM station KUT, notwithstanding that the U of T had sold the original KUT(AM) in the thirties and it had changed calls since then. I doubt today's FCC would be so willing to bend. s From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 22 11:48:09 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:48:09 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <20061122002650.872E2D089@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20061122002650.872E2D089@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <6abef46b904071936ce798e9f9e117fc@charter.net> I poked around the 'net and was not able to find much out about this. She apparently signed off yesterday for the Thanksgiving break but to some listeners there was a sense of "finality" to it. However, nothing seems unusual on her website's message boards. She's still on the Air America website and her show did rebroadcast overnight on the network as it usually does. Maybe she's thinking that AA may not survive the break, as they had to ask for a one week extension with their creditors in their attempts to find a buyer. It's possible that an announcement won't come until after the holiday, but the timing seems odd. She recently re-upped her contract with Air America, so unless a new buyer that we don't yet know about bought out the contract, or the network folds, I'd expect Randi to be back next week. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 21, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > What's this I hear about Randi Rhodes leaving AAR effective > immediately??? > From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Wed Nov 22 12:18:27 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:18:27 -0500 Subject: WBZ listeners provide updates on Danvers explosion References: <1fbbbced0611220124x7982c096r58bcb06b2855561b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c70e5a$39aec8f0$b16f434b@DG07P241> Amen to local radio! Steve Leveille and crew were all over the it with reports of the explosion around 3. Something to be said for us insomniacs/nightowls, eh? Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: WBZ listeners provide updates on Danvers explosion > Saw huge mushroom cloud explosion at about 2:50 am as I was on Rt 128 > north, between Rt 114 and Endicott St. exits. Heard loud boom--some > have said they could hear it 40 miles away. I went home (could see > flames in distance as I drove by Danversport Yacht Club) and tried to > get info via TV, radio, and comp. No local news on TV though Ch 5 had > a crawl going: huge explosion possibly a propane plant in Danvers on > Water St > > WBZ is getting calls right now from various people in the area and > also Carl Stevens is reporting. Thank God for live and local content > on radio. > From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Nov 22 13:42:42 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:42:42 -0800 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <6abef46b904071936ce798e9f9e117fc@charter.net> References: <20061122002650.872E2D089@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <6abef46b904071936ce798e9f9e117fc@charter.net> Message-ID: <04E1A50F-010F-1000-BFBC-2ABE2F135A7C-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Randi's website says specifically "Randi returns live on Monday, November 27." http://therandirhodesshow.com Mark On Wednesday, November 22, 2006, at 11:51AM, "David Tomm" wrote: >I poked around the 'net and was not able to find much out about this. >She apparently signed off yesterday for the Thanksgiving break but to >some listeners there was a sense of "finality" to it. However, nothing >seems unusual on her website's message boards. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 22 14:10:04 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:10:04 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <04E1A50F-010F-1000-BFBC-2ABE2F135A7C-Webmail-10018@mac.com> References: <20061122002650.872E2D089@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <6abef46b904071936ce798e9f9e117fc@charter.net> <04E1A50F-010F-1000-BFBC-2ABE2F135A7C-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Message-ID: That update wasn't there when I checked it this morning. Neither was the picture of Bush and the turkey (it's hard to tell which is which) My guess is the rumors compelled the webmaster to post something about her returning.... Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 22, 2006, at 1:42 PM, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > Randi's website says specifically "Randi returns live on Monday, > November 27." > > http://therandirhodesshow.com > > Mark > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2006, at 11:51AM, "David Tomm" > wrote: >> I poked around the 'net and was not able to find much out about this. >> She apparently signed off yesterday for the Thanksgiving break but to >> some listeners there was a sense of "finality" to it. However, >> nothing >> seems unusual on her website's message boards. > From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 22 14:06:57 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:06:57 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? Message-ID: <20061122190701.2590E1158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: marklaurence@mac.com >To: "David Tomm" >Subject: Re: Randi Rhodes? >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:42:42 -0800 >Randi's website says specifically "Randi returns live on Monday, November 27." In lieu of commercials, WKOX/WXKS-AM is running Randi Rhodes promos as usual. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 22 14:13:03 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:13:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ listeners provide updates on Danvers explosion Message-ID: <20061122191304.CCFC51CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: WBZ listeners provide updates on Danvers explosion >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:24:48 -0500 >WBZ is getting calls right now from various people in the area and >also Carl Stevens is reporting. Thank God for live and local content >on radio. I first heard about the blast on WBZ radio all right; I have a cousin living in Danvers not far from the ocean and so the question crossed my mind "is he ok?". Well, believe it or not, the next newscast I tuned into was the NPR national newscast on WBUR, followed by its local insert, wherein a reporter on the scene introduced Danvers resident James Glavin!!! Wow, now I'll have to click from TV newscast to newscast to see if he was interviewed on TV. You'll spot him right away: he has the Glavin good looks and body like a Greek god (in my case, the Greek god is Bacchus, but still..) -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 22 14:16:11 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:16:11 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? Message-ID: <20061122191612.83D141CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Tomm" >To: marklaurence@mac.com >Subject: Re: Randi Rhodes? >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:10:04 -0500 >That update wasn't there when I checked it this morning. Neither >was the picture of Bush and the turkey (it's hard to tell which is >which) Well, the White House Thanksgiving turkey traditionally gets pardoned, but I think 'W' may face war criminal charges before the World Court after his term ends. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Nov 22 14:25:24 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:25:24 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <20061122191612.83D141CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061122191612.83D141CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17764.42020.19113.168148@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Reminder: this mailing-list is for discussion of *broadcasting*, not politics. We now return to your regularly-scheduled broadcast. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 22 14:27:06 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:27:06 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand Message-ID: <20061122192706.DDF051024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Doug Drown" >Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:34:01 -0500 >Doug Drown wrote: > I've often wondered: How did Westinghouse get away with obtaining the old > WJZ call letters when it obtained Channel 13 in Baltimore? I assume it had > something to do with the company having originally owned WJZ when it was in > Newark. >Indeed it did. The FCC of 1957-58 was unusually amenable to >granting semi-new 3-letter calls. Not only did they buy >Westinghouse's "heritage" excuse for wanting WJZ in Baltimore, but >they allowed the University of Texas to call its new FM station >KUT, notwithstanding that the U of T had sold the original KUT(AM) >in the thirties and it had changed calls since then. >I doubt today's FCC would be so willing to bend. >s Too bad; in this day and age of radio stations in one city and a TV station in a fifferent city sharing calls, wouldn't be a hoot if some group bought WDZ in Decatur, IL and changed one of its TV's to WDZ-TV? -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Nov 22 14:58:17 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:58:17 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand Message-ID: > > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Doug Drown" , > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:08:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > > On 11/21/06, Doug Drown wrote: > > People know their local stations as LOCAL. Ask any > > cross-section of "boomers" in the Boston area about > > their childhood memories of television. > and they'll remember the stations easily > Candlepins for Cash? 7 > Creature Double Feature (back occasionally now)?: 56 > Ask the Manager (had a cult following)? 38 > Community Auditions? 4 I also remember that one of the longtime sponsors of Community Auditions was Community Opticians, which caused me much confusion when I was four years old. EP From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Nov 22 15:07:31 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:07:31 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17764.44547.4804.410357@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I also remember that one of the longtime sponsors of > Community Auditions was Community Opticians, which > caused me much confusion when I was four years old. I can imagine! (In English-language dialectology, an important feature of North American dialects is the "cot-caught merger". People in the northeast tend not to have it, but much of the rest of the country does. For many CIC ["Cot Is Caught"] speakers, "audition" and "optician" differ only in the articulation point of the first consonant, which is probably difficult for a four-year-old to distinguish.) ObBroadcasting: There's one traffic reporter working for MetroShadow in Boston who says "donton" (downtown) like a Pittsburgher. More than one of his colleagues says "eat" instead of "eight", which is apparently the mark of a Philadelphian. (And don't get me started on the way the meterologists at AccuWeather mangle the name of their profession on-air.) It's almost enough to make one wistful for the old Gary LaPierre "Doobita-bee-zee" testimonials. (Actually, speaking of that letter, one of the MetroShadow guys says it "dubh".) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 22 15:40:53 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:40:53 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <17764.44547.4804.410357@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001901c70e76$87ec7960$19eefea9@satpro4600> One AccuWeather meteorologist, Gary Bowers, can't pronounce the name of his profession. AccuWeather and its affiliated stations let him get by with meteorolist. I would think that they would get him to record the ojj syllable and then use digital editing to insert it between ol and ist. From the correctly pronouced word, a closing line, "This is AccuWeather meteorologist Gary Bowers reporting for ," could be synthesized and dropped into each forecast he records. In fact, I would think that, given the availability of the necessary technology, the Americans with Disabilities Act would demand that exactly this be done. The guy can't do his job properly without this fairly simple measure. A radio personality who can't pronounce the name of his (learned) profession is, as far as I am concerned, obviously disabled. Flush with the success of of this exercise, the digital-audio-editing experts could turn to President George III's repeated mispronunciation of nuclear. All they would have to do is get him to record three simple one-syllable words (new, cleat, and are). Then they could remove the t sound from the end of cleat and string the three words together to get nuclear, which they could drop into all of his speaches. In fact, just using new and clear might be sufficient. He could lip synch by saying the word his way but the audio that the public would hear would have the correct pronunciation overdubbed. Like his namesake, who suffered from an obscure kidney or liver ailment called porpheria, this George III is disabled and needs the help of 21st-century technology to do his job correctly. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Eli Polonsky" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > < said: > > > I also remember that one of the longtime sponsors of > > Community Auditions was Community Opticians, which > > caused me much confusion when I was four years old. > > I can imagine! (In English-language dialectology, an important > feature of North American dialects is the "cot-caught merger". People > in the northeast tend not to have it, but much of the rest of the > country does. For many CIC ["Cot Is Caught"] speakers, "audition" and > "optician" differ only in the articulation point of the first > consonant, which is probably difficult for a four-year-old to > distinguish.) > > ObBroadcasting: There's one traffic reporter working for MetroShadow > in Boston who says "donton" (downtown) like a Pittsburgher. More than > one of his colleagues says "eat" instead of "eight", which is > apparently the mark of a Philadelphian. (And don't get me started on > the way the meterologists at AccuWeather mangle the name of their > profession on-air.) It's almost enough to make one wistful for the > old Gary LaPierre "Doobita-bee-zee" testimonials. (Actually, speaking > of that letter, one of the MetroShadow guys says it "dubh".) > > -GAWollman > From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 15:59:17 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:59:17 -0500 Subject: WCRB/WKLB change Message-ID: <456473D5.959.53ED4B@localhost> This morning I saw a TV ad, which looked rather like some of the Bose radio ads, showing scenes of Symphony Hall and a "bug" in the corner of the screen which read "WCRB 102.5." Then what appeared to be a Bose radio, and then Keith Lockhart came on and said that Boston's classical station was moving. He picked up the radio and moved it a few inches to his right. Then there was a closeup of the radio, reading "99.5." This was a local ad on Comcast on the CNN channel. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 22 15:40:53 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:40:53 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <17764.44547.4804.410357@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001901c70e76$87ec7960$19eefea9@satpro4600> One AccuWeather meteorologist, Gary Bowers, can't pronounce the name of his profession. AccuWeather and its affiliated stations let him get by with meteorolist. I would think that they would get him to record the ojj syllable and then use digital editing to insert it between ol and ist. From the correctly pronouced word, a closing line, "This is AccuWeather meteorologist Gary Bowers reporting for ," could be synthesized and dropped into each forecast he records. In fact, I would think that, given the availability of the necessary technology, the Americans with Disabilities Act would demand that exactly this be done. The guy can't do his job properly without this fairly simple measure. A radio personality who can't pronounce the name of his (learned) profession is, as far as I am concerned, obviously disabled. Flush with the success of of this exercise, the digital-audio-editing experts could turn to President George III's repeated mispronunciation of nuclear. All they would have to do is get him to record three simple one-syllable words (new, cleat, and are). Then they could remove the t sound from the end of cleat and string the three words together to get nuclear, which they could drop into all of his speaches. In fact, just using new and clear might be sufficient. He could lip synch by saying the word his way but the audio that the public would hear would have the correct pronunciation overdubbed. Like his namesake, who suffered from an obscure kidney or liver ailment called porpheria, this George III is disabled and needs the help of 21st-century technology to do his job correctly. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Eli Polonsky" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > < said: > > > I also remember that one of the longtime sponsors of > > Community Auditions was Community Opticians, which > > caused me much confusion when I was four years old. > > I can imagine! (In English-language dialectology, an important > feature of North American dialects is the "cot-caught merger". People > in the northeast tend not to have it, but much of the rest of the > country does. For many CIC ["Cot Is Caught"] speakers, "audition" and > "optician" differ only in the articulation point of the first > consonant, which is probably difficult for a four-year-old to > distinguish.) > > ObBroadcasting: There's one traffic reporter working for MetroShadow > in Boston who says "donton" (downtown) like a Pittsburgher. More than > one of his colleagues says "eat" instead of "eight", which is > apparently the mark of a Philadelphian. (And don't get me started on > the way the meterologists at AccuWeather mangle the name of their > profession on-air.) It's almost enough to make one wistful for the > old Gary LaPierre "Doobita-bee-zee" testimonials. (Actually, speaking > of that letter, one of the MetroShadow guys says it "dubh".) > > -GAWollman > From scott@fybush.com Wed Nov 22 16:17:24 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:17:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <20061122192706.DDF051024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061122192706.DDF051024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <54516.66.195.169.98.1164230244.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com> >>I doubt today's FCC would be so willing to bend. > >>s > > Too bad; in this day and age of radio stations in one city and > a TV station in a fifferent city sharing calls, wouldn't > be a hoot if some group bought WDZ in Decatur, IL and changed one > of its TV's to WDZ-TV? They could still do that. There are fairly recent examples - CBS buying WGPR-TV in Detroit and changing it to WWJ-TV, for instance, or the fairly recent revivals of the KSL-FM and WWL-FM calls in Salt Lake City and New Orleans. But in those cases, the base call had remained on the air continuously since being granted. In the case of WJZ, the calls had been dormant for four years, and in the case of KUT for something like 25 years. And in both cases, the licensees asking for the "new" 3-letter calls were not the same licensees who'd last had those calls in their old incarnations. The equivalent here would be someone buying a station in New York City and asking for the WHN or WOV calls back. s From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 17:00:28 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:00:28 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <54516.66.195.169.98.1164230244.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com> References: <20061122192706.DDF051024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4564822C.1213.8BF1FA@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 Scott Fybush wrote: > They could still do that. There are fairly recent examples - CBS > buying WGPR-TV in Detroit and changing it to WWJ-TV, for instance, or > the fairly recent revivals of the KSL-FM and WWL-FM calls in Salt Lake > City and New Orleans. But in those cases, the base call had remained > on the air continuously since being granted. In the case of WJZ, the > calls had been dormant for four years, and in the case of KUT for > something like 25 years. And in both cases, the licensees asking for > the "new" 3-letter calls were not the same licensees who'd last had > those calls in their old incarnations. The equivalent here would be > someone buying a station in New York City and asking for the WHN or > WOV calls back. I heard about another one not too long ago -- perhaps on this list. As I recall it involved a radio and TV combo in San Francisco which got separated, and the TV station got the three-letter calls. The radio station added another K -- much as WWOR in New York added a W. At some point, the TV station gave up the three-letter calls, and the radio station, now under separate ownership, asked for the three- letter calls back. The reason they gave was that they now did Spanish programming, and in Spanish, KK is pronounced "Caca," which isn't a very nice thing to say on the air. Apparently it worked, and the radio station got back the three-letter calls. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Nov 22 17:26:12 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:26:12 -0500 Subject: Traditional Radio Broadcast Beverly vs. Salem Football on WMWM Message-ID: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Responding to last week's distress call from The Salem Evening News, parents and others on this board, one of our members, Brian Vita, has gotten permission to broadcast live, Rick Moore's coverage of the game on Salem State College's Radio Station WMWM 91.7. Coverage should start about 9:30 AM and run through the end of the game...I'll be joining him as assistant "board op" and coffee runner. If the game doesn't run too long there may be a followup with Arlo and Alice's Restaurant so the current college crowd can see how Thanksgiving should be done ;-) Those that can listen enjoy, those who can't can still catch the game at Rick's feed, Moorestuffonline.com. Coach Ken Perrone and others will be doing the call . Roger (ex WESX 1230) WA1KAT From ewerme@comcast.net Wed Nov 22 18:01:57 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:01:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: WCRB/WKLB change Message-ID: <20061122230157.49B124781C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > This morning I saw a TV ad, which looked rather like some of the Bose > radio ads, showing scenes of Symphony Hall and.... > Then there was a closeup of the radio, > reading "99.5." Oh - I hadn't thought of it, but Bose's national ads show radios tuned to 102.5. I wonder if they'll change them to 99.5. Great little (and oxymoronish?) trivia factoid. -Ric Werme From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 22 18:23:21 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:23:21 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <20061122191612.83D141CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00c101c70e8d$33752000$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> OK: #1: What does this have to do with radio? #2: I realize that left-of-center mindsets dominate this list serve and I try my darndest to NOT delve into the political realm, BUT DAMN.. The World Court has NO legitimate, I repeat, no legitimate jurisdiction over the USA! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH PS: Garrett, I certainly hope I don't get blasted for my rejoinder as I did not initiate this line of discussion. If politics NOT directly related to Radio and Radio programming is verboten, please alert your entire group and do not wait for a Conservative to speak for admonishment to occur. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:16 PM To: David Tomm; marklaurence@mac.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Randi Rhodes? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Tomm" >To: marklaurence@mac.com >Subject: Re: Randi Rhodes? >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:10:04 -0500 >That update wasn't there when I checked it this morning. Neither >was the picture of Bush and the turkey (it's hard to tell which is >which) Well, the White House Thanksgiving turkey traditionally gets pardoned, but I think 'W' may face war criminal charges before the World Court after his term ends. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From paul@derrynh.net Wed Nov 22 18:24:11 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:24:11 -0500 Subject: Randi Rhodes? In-Reply-To: <17764.42020.19113.168148@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00c201c70e8d$513dca10$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> My apologies, you did indeed respond JUST AFTER I sent my e-mail. Again, my apologies... Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:25 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Randi Rhodes? Reminder: this mailing-list is for discussion of *broadcasting*, not politics. We now return to your regularly-scheduled broadcast. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 22 19:52:13 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:52:13 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <20061122192706.DDF051024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <4564822C.1213.8BF1FA@localhost> Message-ID: <000301c70e99$a25038a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> The radio station was KHJ in Los Angeles, which became KKHJ for many years and then convinced the FCC to let it go back to KHJ, which are the current calls. The reasoning for dropping the extra K was a bit hokey, but I think the FCC was simply looking for a reason that it could a accept (that is, a reason that sounded plausible) and the licensee came up with one. And yes, there is (or was) a KHJ-TV, which, I believe, is not co-owned with KHJ (AM) and has not been for many years. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > On 22 Nov 2006 Scott Fybush wrote: > > > They could still do that. There are fairly recent examples - CBS > > buying WGPR-TV in Detroit and changing it to WWJ-TV, for instance, or > > the fairly recent revivals of the KSL-FM and WWL-FM calls in Salt Lake > > City and New Orleans. But in those cases, the base call had remained > > on the air continuously since being granted. In the case of WJZ, the > > calls had been dormant for four years, and in the case of KUT for > > something like 25 years. And in both cases, the licensees asking for > > the "new" 3-letter calls were not the same licensees who'd last had > > those calls in their old incarnations. The equivalent here would be > > someone buying a station in New York City and asking for the WHN or > > WOV calls back. > > I heard about another one not too long ago -- perhaps on this list. > As I recall it involved a radio and TV combo in San Francisco which > got separated, and the TV station got the three-letter calls. The > radio station added another K -- much as WWOR in New York added a W. > > At some point, the TV station gave up the three-letter calls, and the > radio station, now under separate ownership, asked for the three- > letter calls back. The reason they gave was that they now did > Spanish programming, and in Spanish, KK is pronounced "Caca," which > isn't a very nice thing to say on the air. Apparently it worked, > and the radio station got back the three-letter calls. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From me@billoneill.us Wed Nov 22 20:45:55 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:45:55 -0500 Subject: Traditional Radio Broadcast Beverly vs. Salem Football on WMWM In-Reply-To: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> Roger Kolakowski wrote: > Brian Vita, has gotten > permission to broadcast live, Rick Moore's coverage of the game on Salem > State College's Radio Station WMWM 91.7. That is excellent news. And kudos to WMWM Salem Salem! Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 22:47:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: WKLB announcements In-Reply-To: <45639B6D.23336.4F288D@localhost> References: <002d01c70d73$69ed2da0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <4564D37E.10065.4601AD@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 at 0:35, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Actually, I think I can tape one on my livingroom stereo system and > the other on an old boombox that I have. I'll have to tape the 99.5 > change on the boombox, since it can't get a good signal on 102.5 > around here. I checked it out today, and the boombox won't pick up 99.5 at all. So much for that idea. I've got some other radios with output jacks that I can connect to a cassette recorder. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 22:47:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <001901c70e76$87ec7960$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <4564D37E.26982.46023B@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 at 15:40, Dan Strassberg wrote: > One AccuWeather meteorologist, Gary Bowers, can't pronounce the name > of his profession. AccuWeather and its affiliated stations let him get > by with meteorolist. I remember a newscaster on CNN Headline News a few years ago who couldn't pronounce "Kazakhstan." He kept saying "Kazakistan." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 22:47:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <001901c70e76$87ec7960$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <4564D37E.16320.460365@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 at 15:40, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I would think that they would get him to record > the ojj syllable and then use digital editing to insert it between ol > and ist. From the correctly pronouced word, a closing line, "This is > AccuWeather meteorologist Gary Bowers reporting for call letters here>," could be synthesized and dropped into each > forecast he records. In fact, I would think that, given the > availability of the necessary technology, the Americans with > Disabilities Act would demand that exactly this be done. The guy can't > do his job properly without this fairly simple measure. A radio > personality who can't pronounce the name of his (learned) profession > is, as far as I am concerned, obviously disabled. The BBC did something like this many years ago because King George VI had a stuttering problem. He had it pretty well conquered, but near the end of his life, as his health was failing, he had problems again. So the BBC recorded some of his radio speeches a couple of words at a time and, with the technology of the time, put it all together somehow. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 22:47:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <000301c70e99$a25038a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <4564D37E.18517.4603F6@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 at 19:52, Dan Strassberg wrote: > The radio station was KHJ in Los Angeles, which became KKHJ for many > years and then convinced the FCC to let it go back to KHJ, which are > the current calls. The reasoning for dropping the extra K was a bit > hokey, but I think the FCC was simply looking for a reason that it > could a accept (that is, a reason that sounded plausible) and the > licensee came up with one. And yes, there is (or was) a KHJ-TV, which, > I believe, is not co-owned with KHJ (AM) and has not been for many > years. Thanks for recalling it. I thought it was something like that. Incidentally, it apparently was once possible for a station to reclaim its old three-letter calls, even if they hadn't been used for awhile. As I recall, the former WHN in New York went back to those calls sometime in the 1960s for awhile, then gave them up again. I remember being surprised at the time, since I didn't know the station had once been WHN, and I wondered how they had managed to get a three- letter callsign. Then I saw an old movie where someone was speaking with a microphone labelled "WHN," and I figured out that the station had once had those calls. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 22 22:47:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand In-Reply-To: <17763.63834.89240.548920@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <45639B6D.30968.4F29C7@localhost> Message-ID: <4564D37E.3207.460117@localhost> On 22 Nov 2006 at 2:16, Garrett Wollman wrote: > *Much* later -- within this millennium. (Assuming we're still talking > about the news branding here.) Remember after the affiliation swap in > 1995, they went through that period of "News 4 New England" and then > the "Circle 4 Ranch" (as Bob Lobel put it) before becoming "CBS 4 > News". I thought as much. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 03:02:07 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:02:07 -0500 Subject: Traditional Radio Broadcast Beverly vs. Salem Football on WMWM In-Reply-To: <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> References: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611230002n7cfe0f34t146543c77ed9cecf@mail.gmail.com> Ooh! Good news,and from my own station! I will update the WMWM website to show this and no, we don't streamcast...(unless I somehow tape it and upload it later as a podcast) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 23 07:35:31 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:35:31 -0500 Subject: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand References: <4564D37E.18517.4603F6@localhost> Message-ID: <002d01c70efb$e1fbbc60$19eefea9@satpro4600> I think that Scott (maybe even in his recent reprise of the WEPN transmitter site at Tower Site of the Week--WEPN is the station that used to be WHN, WMGM, WUKQ, WEVD, and probably others) showed us that what is now WEPN had been WHN on more than two occasions--maybe three. If so, I've forgotten the details. I know that the original WHN calls date back to when the station was owned by the Marcus Lowe booking agency--later Lowe's Theaters. Lowe's later changed the calls to WMGM. After radio magnate George B Storer bought the station, he used his considerable influence with the FCC to have the calls revert to WHN. Storer owned a lot of stations with interesting histories. And you can bet the histories would not have been so interesting were it not for Storer's FCC connections. He was behind getting a full-time license for what was once KFVD in Los Angeles, a daytimer on 1020, which, like a couple of other West Coast AMs that operated on clear channels assigned to stations in the East, would sign back on in the late evening (West Coast time) when the Eastern stations were off the air overnight. Only after Storer convinved the FCC to allow what was by then KGBS to go on the air full-time did the other stations that he didn't own (in San Francisco, Portland OR, and Seattle) get full-time authority. Storer also moved his WJBK Detroit, a Class IV graveyarder, to the 1500-kHz Class IB channel and built a nine-tower directional array to increase to 10 kW-D/5 kW-N. The array didn't work properly and that Quixotic exercise wasn't straightened out for 50 years--long after Storer's death and long after the station had been sold repeatedly. The station is now WLQV and runs 50-kW-D/10-kW-N. The WJBK calls may survive on TV in Detroit--not sure. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Ch 4 going back to "WBZ" brand > On 22 Nov 2006 at 19:52, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > The radio station was KHJ in Los Angeles, which became KKHJ for many > > years and then convinced the FCC to let it go back to KHJ, which are > > the current calls. The reasoning for dropping the extra K was a bit > > hokey, but I think the FCC was simply looking for a reason that it > > could a accept (that is, a reason that sounded plausible) and the > > licensee came up with one. And yes, there is (or was) a KHJ-TV, which, > > I believe, is not co-owned with KHJ (AM) and has not been for many > > years. > > Thanks for recalling it. I thought it was something like that. > > Incidentally, it apparently was once possible for a station to > reclaim its old three-letter calls, even if they hadn't been used for > awhile. As I recall, the former WHN in New York went back to those > calls sometime in the 1960s for awhile, then gave them up again. I > remember being surprised at the time, since I didn't know the station > had once been WHN, and I wondered how they had managed to get a three- > letter callsign. Then I saw an old movie where someone was speaking > with a microphone labelled "WHN," and I figured out that the station > had once had those calls. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Nov 23 08:22:21 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:22:21 -0500 Subject: Traditional Radio Broadcast Beverly vs. Salem Football on WMWM In-Reply-To: <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> References: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4565A08D.7000108@cssinc.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Roger Kolakowski wrote: >> Brian Vita, has gotten >> permission to broadcast live, Rick Moore's coverage of the game on Salem >> State College's Radio Station WMWM 91.7. > That is excellent news. And kudos to WMWM Salem Salem! > > Bill O'Neill "The radio station so small, we can only afford two letters" "The radio station that plays the music that we like....and we play it until you like it!" "More power than 2 60 watt light bulbs" Yes, the mighty WMWM is here. At least we'll give it a try. Hopefully the web feed keeps up. Just think, a little over a year ago, we didn't even have computers! Brian Vita WMWM Board Op From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 10:48:14 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:48:14 -0500 Subject: Traditional Radio Broadcast Beverly vs. Salem Football on WMWM In-Reply-To: <4565A08D.7000108@cssinc.com> References: <005d01c70e85$37b386a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <4564FD53.1030105@billoneill.us> <4565A08D.7000108@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611230748q2c9ba4b7uf8be102321f8c0d9@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, the mighty WMWM is here. At least we'll give it a try. Hopefully > the web feed keeps up. Just think, a little over a year ago, we didn't > even have computers! Amazing! I have even put a "click here to listen" link directly on the WMWM site (which I run). The game is on as I write this (Beverly up 7-0); due to weather conditions, it's tough for the broadcast team to keep stats but it sounds fine (thanks to ALL who are putting the broadcast together), Only wish we could have given people more notice.. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Nov 23 13:57:14 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:57:14 -0500 Subject: WMWM Broadcast of the Beverly/Salem Football Game Message-ID: <4565EF0A.9070604@cssinc.com> Picking up the ball and continuing a tradition that began in 1939, WMWM 91.7 Salem State College Radio broadcast this Thanksgiving's football match-up between rivals Beverly and Salem. Although it was set up with only 48 hours notice, the broadcast went almost flawlessly succumbing only to minor problems at the remote end caused by heavy rainfall shorting out the originating equipment. Apparently Rick Moore, who graciously provided the feed for us, was sitting unprotected in the bleachers in the rain as he and his equipment got thoroughly soaked. For the technically curious, here's how we pulled it off: Rick Moore owns a "for profit" Internet radio station (www.moorestuffonline.com) that has been broadcasting a lot of the local ball games. He covers his costs by selling spots just as was done when he did the games on WESX. From what I understand, Rick is using several mics (headworn and handheld) feeding into a mixer. The mixer then feeds a laptop which in turn is using a cellular modem to upload the signal to his server. We contacted Rick and obtained his permission to rebroadcast the game from his web feed. Since WMWM is a non-comm, Rick agreed to let us cover the paid spots with PSA's. At the studio end we used a laptop plugged into Salem State's computer network to pick up the feed. Since the college was nearly deserted there was no congestion on the network (we might have been the only one's using it). The laptop feed an external Audigy II card which in turn was plugged into the studio console. I opted not to use the station's automation computer for the feed since I needed to keep that free to run PSA's and ID's off of. At pregame time the remote feed was fed into the cue buss and the station's music was kept on the air until the appropriate time. By keeping the game active on the cue buss and potting it up and down on the program buss, we were able to cover spots while monitoring the live feed. As a side note, Shaun Hayes of WMWM called the studio just before half time and said that he'd been listening to the game on WNSH when he heard it announced that WMWM was carrying it. He noted that our feed was about 6 seconds ahead of theirs. (Apparently WNSH had made similar arrangements with Rick but through miscommunication had not confirmed the plan. Rick was unaware that they had made the decision to proceed). The game ran well with occasional line noise as Rick's equipment took a beating from the weather. Various mics came in and out as they became water soaked. In the last few minutes of the game we lost our feed entirely as Rick's laptop became waterlogged. We were finally able to reach him by cellular and put the last two minutes of the game on-air having him announce the game into his cell phone which we put live on the air. (a WMWM exclusive!). All in all it went remarkably well. Given that this is the first time that WMWM has been able to do something like this in years, its a new milestone for the station. Perhaps we can use this as a starting point for more and bigger things. A special thank you to Roger Kolakowski, formerly of WESX, for putting the ball in motion, also to Rebecca Jimenez, the faculty advisor at WMWM for clearing it at the school's end, and the E-board at WMWM for a REAL quick decision to carry the game. A major thank you to Rick Moore for providing us with the feed. Brian Vita The guy who used caffeine and laptops to pull this off. From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Nov 23 14:46:09 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:46:09 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations Message-ID: <000001c70f38$06873d20$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> http://www.mainecoastnow.com/articles/2006/11/23/courier_-_gazette/local_new s/doc4564669501014073279642.txt The story above says that though Clear Channel plans to sell its Bangor and Augusta clusters, they will keep the stations in midcoast Maine. Does this make sense to anyone? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 16:03:49 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:03:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: WMWM Broadcast of the Beverly/Salem Football Game In-Reply-To: <4565EF0A.9070604@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <20061123210349.46408.qmail@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Brian Vita wrote: > A special thank you to Roger Kolakowski, formerly of WESX, for > putting > the ball in motion, also to Rebecca Jimenez, the faculty advisor at > WMWM > for clearing it at the school's end, and the E-board at WMWM for a > REAL > quick decision to carry the game. A major thank you to Rick Moore > for > providing us with the feed. A tip of the cap to the WMWM and Salem State bureaucracy for letting this thing get done. Rarely does a public college like this get all its ducks in a row this quickly. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 23 16:15:07 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:15:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: <000001c70f38$06873d20$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000001c70f38$06873d20$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <57361.66.195.169.98.1164316507.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> > http://www.mainecoastnow.com/articles/2006/11/23/courier_-_gazette/local_new > s/doc4564669501014073279642.txt > > The story above says that though Clear Channel plans to sell its Bangor > and > Augusta clusters, they will keep the stations in midcoast Maine. > > Does this make sense to anyone? I suspect it will depend on who the buyer ends up being for the other stations being spun off. If they're interested in the Rockland, Camden and Boothbay stations, I'm sure CC will sell those, too. My understanding is that pretty much anything outside the top 10 or 20 markets is at least potentially for sale, if the right buyer shows up offering the right price. For that matter, if the right price showed up for CC's stations in a market such as Boston, where they've never quite achieved critical cluster mass the same way they've done in NYC (5 FMs) or LA (3 AMs/5 FMs), I'd have to believe a deal could be struck there, too. What's slightly more interesting to me is that the Manchester/Seacoast cluster and the Springfield and Worcester stations weren't on the list. I guess they're close enough to the big spine of large CC markets stretching from Boston through Providence, Hartford and New Haven to NYC to be worth keeping... s From hykker@grolen.com Thu Nov 23 21:05:02 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:05:02 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: <57361.66.195.169.98.1164316507.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> References: <000001c70f38$06873d20$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <57361.66.195.169.98.1164316507.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061123210255.01a60278@grolen.com> At 04:15 PM 11/23/2006, Scott Fybush wrote: >What's slightly more interesting to me is that the Manchester/Seacoast >cluster and the Springfield and Worcester stations weren't on the list. I >guess they're close enough to the big spine of large CC markets stretching >from Boston through Providence, Hartford and New Haven to NYC to be worth >keeping... Dunno about Springfield & Worcester, but I understand the N.H. clusters (or at least WGIR & WHEB) are solid moneymakers. I'm sure proximity to Boston is a factor as well. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: 11/22/2006 From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Nov 24 15:17:24 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:17:24 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061123210255.01a60278@grolen.com> References: <000001c70f38$06873d20$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <57361.66.195.169.98.1164316507.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061123210255.01a60278@grolen.com> Message-ID: <2c8ab5b5d3499b98c33c75c00b7f2461@charter.net> CC/Portsmouth has some decent performers, like WHEB and WERZ , but there are plenty of dogs in that cluster like WUBB, WQSO and all of the AM's. They may eventually spin off some of these lesser properties and hold onto the moneymakers. While CC has relatively few stations in Worcester & Boston, all of them with the exception of WKOX and WXKS-AM bill extremely well. Kiss and Jam'n together bill well north of $30 million a year. WSRS is the big dog in Worcester and WTAG does about as well as you can expect from a 5000 watt AM. I doubt that Clear Channel would want to part with any of those stations. They've been able to squeeze out maximum revenue with lower capital costs and less personnel in these markets. Once the signal upgrade to WKOX is complete, I could see them selling off 1430. Providence, Springfield and New Haven do reasonably well with relatively few signals in those clusters. They probably bill quite well in comparison to markets of similar size in other parts of the country, which is why CC is keeping them. They have their issues right now in Hartford (particularly WKSS and WPHH) but overall that has been a solid market for them. I'm not surprised they are keeping Midcoast Maine, at least for now. Real estate prices in that area are soaring and towns are increasing in population. Unlike many New England markets, The Midcoast is in a major growth mode, and Clear Channel feels they can reap some benefits down the line. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 23, 2006, at 9:05 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > At 04:15 PM 11/23/2006, Scott Fybush wrote: >> What's slightly more interesting to me is that the Manchester/Seacoast >> cluster and the Springfield and Worcester stations weren't on the >> list. I >> guess they're close enough to the big spine of large CC markets >> stretching >> from Boston through Providence, Hartford and New Haven to NYC to be >> worth >> keeping... > > > Dunno about Springfield & Worcester, but I understand the N.H. > clusters (or at least WGIR & WHEB) are solid moneymakers. I'm sure > proximity to Boston is a factor as well. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 24 15:56:53 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: <2c8ab5b5d3499b98c33c75c00b7f2461@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001c7100b$15187ec0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> It should be noted that Clear Channel runs its midcoast Maine stations out of Augusta -- using personnel who are also on stations in the Augusta stations to voicetrack shows. From vtfpcalumni@adelphia.net Fri Nov 24 20:34:16 2006 From: vtfpcalumni@adelphia.net (Chris Munson) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:34:16 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont Message-ID: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> Does anyone know what will happen with the Clear Channel stations in the Burlington, VT market? From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 25 00:33:18 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:33:18 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Does anyone know what will happen with the Clear Channel stations in the > Burlington, VT market? At the moment, all we know is that the cluster is on the block. Presumably they are entertaining offers from potential buyers. I'm certain Vermont Public Radio would love to get its hands on one of those FMs. I don't think anyone currently in the market could (or would want to) buy the whole cluster, but it would be a natural for a mid-tier operator like Nassau or even Pamal, given the necessary financial resources. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 25 00:35:43 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:35:43 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20061125053550.63F2D640045@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 08:34 PM 11/24/2006, Chris Munson wrote: >Does anyone know what will happen with the Clear Channel stations in >the Burlington, VT market? I don't know, but I'd sure love to buy a radio station, or have somebody buy one for me! (My birthday is Valentine's Day, hint hint) From scott@fybush.com Sat Nov 25 00:38:26 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:38:26 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4567D6D2.1040603@fybush.com> Chris Munson wrote: > Does anyone know what will happen with the Clear Channel stations in the > Burlington, VT market? They are among the stations CCU has indicated it intends to sell. More than that, nobody knows yet. I'm not sure Clear Channel has even selected a broker to handle the sale. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 25 01:00:42 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:00:42 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <20061125053550.63F2D640045@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <456795BA.31502.3B4610@localhost> On 25 Nov 2006 at 0:35, Donna Halper wrote: > I don't know, but I'd sure love to buy a radio station, or have > somebody buy one for me! (My birthday is Valentine's Day, hint hint) Your birthday is the same as Jack Benny's! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Nov 25 03:53:42 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 03:53:42 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/06, Garrett Wollman wrote: > At the moment, all we know is that the cluster is on the block. > Presumably they are entertaining offers from potential buyers. I'm > certain Vermont Public Radio would love to get its hands on one of > those FMs. I guess they own WEAV 960 & WXZO 96.7 (talk and sports talk); WCPV 101.3 (classic rock), and WEZF 92.9 (AC). Maybe WVPS 107.9 does well enough that VPR wouldn't need them, but who knows (they did add a translator at 95.3 in Middlebury) From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 25 13:23:46 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:23:46 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17768.35378.663264.182769@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I guess they own WEAV 960 & WXZO 96.7 (talk and sports talk); WCPV 101.3 > (classic rock), and WEZF 92.9 (AC). Maybe WVPS 107.9 does well enough that > VPR wouldn't need them, but who knows (they did add a translator at 95.3 > in Middlebury) VPR is running three services these days, only one of which is on a signal that reaches large parts of the Champlain Valley. I can't see them getting 92.9, but 96.7 and 101.3 both cover a useful area that doesn't currently receive VPR Classical. What of the other players in the market? Paul Goldman (620/95.5) Hall (1230/98.9/99.9/105.1/106.7) Dennis Jackson (102.5) Nassau (104.3 once they finish moving it) Steve Silberberg (93.7/103.3/104.7/...) Goldman has been in the market for a long time (if you count his father, since 1960), and could have had any of the minor signals that Clear Channel is spinning before Clear Channel bought them, had he been sufficiently interested. Hall is capped out for FMs. DJ puts new facilities on the air; I suspect he would find the market for one of the existing signals a bit rich, never mind a whole cluster. (But he does have roots in the market, having been one of the original -- rejected -- applicants for 95.3A South Burlington, which is now 95.5C2.) Nassau currently has the 104.3 on the market, and hasn't built out that move in any case, but they could easily go the other way, and already have a strong presence in other markets in the state. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Sat Nov 25 16:13:37 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:13:37 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4568B201.2030008@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > O > Maybe WVPS 107.9 does well enough that > VPR wouldn't need them, but who knows (they did add a translator at 95.3 > in Middlebury) Don't forget about VPR Classical needing a Champlain Valley signal... Bill O'Neill From outofthebusiness@hotmail.com Sat Nov 25 05:35:50 2006 From: outofthebusiness@hotmail.com (Barry Cabbage) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:35:50 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations Message-ID: Do not waste time trying to decipher which small market stations Clear Channel wants to sell. Everything is for sale. The company is being bought by money traders. Nobody is spending $18b in real money and assuming $8b in debt to run a bunch of radio stations. This is American Radio Systems Part II: you buy stations, you let buffoons run them to maximize cash flow for a short period while destroying their futures, then you dump them. Trading radio stations like pork bellies. Here is what will happen: Major market managers will do leveraged buyouts of properties. Stations acquired in an LBO will then be sold off to reduce the debt. Some clusters will go to other chains. Any announced sale of piddling groups in small markets are merely invitations to bid, and negotiations will center on getting the buyers to take more stations, not less. Clear Channel as an operator of radio stations is dead, dead, dead. Venture capitalists don't invest in radio to run businesses, they invest to sell at a profit. 7-7-7 anyone? _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From zonker01@adelphia.net Sat Nov 25 16:22:25 2006 From: zonker01@adelphia.net (Chris Munson) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:22:25 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <17768.35378.663264.182769@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <45679D98.10702@adelphia.net> <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0611250053v1e88857cxf1a379af7b9b34be@mail.gmail.com> <17768.35378.663264.182769@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4568B411.9050007@adelphia.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> I guess they own WEAV 960 & WXZO 96.7 (talk and sports talk); WCPV 101.3 >> (classic rock), and WEZF 92.9 (AC). Maybe WVPS 107.9 does well enough that >> VPR wouldn't need them, but who knows (they did add a translator at 95.3 >> in Middlebury) >> > > VPR is running three services these days, only one of which is on a > signal that reaches large parts of the Champlain Valley. I can't see > them getting 92.9, but 96.7 and 101.3 both cover a useful area that > doesn't currently receive VPR Classical. > > What of the other players in the market? > > Paul Goldman (620/95.5) > Hall (1230/98.9/99.9/105.1/106.7) > Dennis Jackson (102.5) > Nassau (104.3 once they finish moving it) > Steve Silberberg (93.7/103.3/104.7/...) > > Goldman has been in the market for a long time (if you count his > father, since 1960), and could have had any of the minor signals that > Clear Channel is spinning before Clear Channel bought them, had he > been sufficiently interested. > > Hall is capped out for FMs. > > DJ puts new facilities on the air; I suspect he would find the market > for one of the existing signals a bit rich, never mind a whole > cluster. (But he does have roots in the market, having been one of > the original -- rejected -- applicants for 95.3A South Burlington, > which is now 95.5C2.) > > Nassau currently has the 104.3 on the market, and hasn't built out > that move in any case, but they could easily go the other way, and > already have a strong presence in other markets in the state. > > -GAWollman > > Steve Silberberg(Northeast Broadcasting) also has: WSKI 1240, WCAT 1390, WRSA 1420, WFAD 1490(All ESPN Radio affiliates), The Point, and 102.3 WLFE. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 16:38:18 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <567947.4775.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:33:18 Garrett Wollman wrote, in reference to Clear Channel announcing that their Burlington VT cluster of stations is up for sale: > I don't think anyone currently in the > market could (or > would want to) buy the whole cluster, but it would > be a natural for a > mid-tier operator like Nassau or even Pamal, given > the necessary > financial resources. If I'm not mistaken, Pamal has already made one failed attempt to get into this market. A few years back IIRC they made an offer for WIZN 106.7/WBTZ 99.9 and it fell through at the last minute when Deer River Broadcasting decided they did not want to sell the stations. As we all know now, Deer River changed their minds again recently and wound up selling out to Hall Communications. If Pamal is still in a buying mood, I would consider them to be a very likely purchaser for this cluster, if its not broken apart. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY P.S - If these stations do end up being sold, it makes me wonder what will happen to the talk programming on WXZO/WEAV that CC essentially issued corporate directives ordering them off their existing affiliates and onto that station (Rush Limbaugh etc) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Nov 25 17:50:36 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:50:36 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17768.51388.541039.341304@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Clear Channel as an operator of radio stations is dead, dead, dead. Venture > capitalists don't invest in radio to run businesses, they invest to sell at > a profit. These guys (Bain Capital and Lee Partners) are private-equity firms. Their typical modus operandi is to take companies private, restructure them by selling off "non-core" assets, and then taking the remainder public again (usually at a substantial profit) several years later. In the mean time, they want a steady stream of revenue (as opposed to Wall Street which wants steadily increasing profits) to pay them some return on capital. That's why many private-equity firms are sniffing around newspaper publishers -- the Street hates the newspaper business, because it has poor growth prospects, but PE firms love it because it throws off lots of cash which can fund their other investments. Lee Partners, as I mentioned in a previous message, is also involved in taking Univision private. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 25 20:47:32 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:47:32 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations In-Reply-To: <17768.51388.541039.341304@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: Message-ID: <4568ABE4.17754.3333CB@localhost> On 25 Nov 2006 at 17:50, Garrett Wollman wrote: > These guys (Bain Capital and Lee Partners) are private-equity firms. And if I'm not mistaken, Bain Capital is Mitt Romney's firm. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 23:00:30 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:00:30 -0500 Subject: Report: Clear Channel to keep Midcoast Maine stations References: Message-ID: <011001c7110f$8a67f980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Barry Cabbage" > Clear Channel as an operator of radio stations is dead, dead, dead. Venture > capitalists don't invest in radio to run businesses, they invest to sell at Gee, after I read your post, I think I understand your choice of an email address. ;-) From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > These guys (Bain Capital and Lee Partners) are private-equity firms. > > And if I'm not mistaken, Bain Capital is Mitt Romney's firm. If I'm not mistaken, I thought it was his "former" firm...... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Nov 26 00:00:30 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:00:30 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Vermont In-Reply-To: <567947.4775.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <17767.54686.485617.802830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <567947.4775.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611252100j4a89425er937d07f8c2bcc291@mail.gmail.com> Yes, maybe VPR could grab one of those signals to do its classical service though fans of classical in that area should be able to pick up Radio Vermont's WCVT 101.7 Stowe already, so they could still hear that format even if VPR didn't grab a signal. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 13:36:21 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:36:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Casey Coleman Message-ID: <20061127183621.28042.qmail@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I believe we had a conversation on here some months ago about Cleveland sportscaster Casey Coleman, son of Ken, being ill. Casey has passed. http://www.cleveland.com/newslogs/plaindealer/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_plaindealer/archives/2006_11.html#208443 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 28 14:53:51 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:53:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement Message-ID: <33082.66.195.169.98.1164743631.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com> And it's Ed Walsh, former WOR New York morning man, who was blown out a few months ago and has been at WCBS since then. I've only met Ed a couple of times, but have heard nothing other than good things about him. He should make a good addition to my old haunt... s From lglavin@mail.com Tue Nov 28 16:06:15 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:06:15 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement Message-ID: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:53:51 -0500 (EST) >And it's Ed Walsh, former WOR New York morning man, who was blown out a >few months ago and has been at WCBS since then. I've only met Ed a couple >of times, but have heard nothing other than good things about him. He >should make a good addition to my old haunt... >s For the past couple of weeks, there has been much criticism of the TIMING of the WRKO-AM news department bloodbath, but if it had occurred earlier, Rod Fritz might have been a favorite to succeed Floriderman. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From markwats@comcast.net Tue Nov 28 16:53:24 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:53:24 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement References: <33082.66.195.169.98.1164743631.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com> Message-ID: <001901c71337$a1cf12a0$9447da18@Mark> Scott Fybush wrote: > And it's Ed Walsh, former WOR New York morning man, who was blown out a > few months ago and has been at WCBS since then. I wonder if any current WBZ anchors/reporters or other Boston area radio folks were in the running for this spot? Given the recent dismantling of WRKO's news room, that left several long time market veterans out of work. Maybe BZ could find a slot or two in the 1170 Soldiers Field Rd. news room. Any word on when Gary LaPierre's last day on WBZ will be? Mark Watson From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Nov 28 17:40:01 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:40:01 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement In-Reply-To: <001901c71337$a1cf12a0$9447da18@Mark> References: <33082.66.195.169.98.1164743631.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com> <001901c71337$a1cf12a0$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <17772.47809.126595.727263@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Any word on when Gary LaPierre's last day on WBZ will be? WBZ spammed a whole bunch of people with a press release saying that the new guy starts on January 1st, and I think it said that GL's last day would be December 29th. -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Nov 28 17:34:02 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:34:02 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement In-Reply-To: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <34d24b717699c08e6147d29fd49d25ac@charter.net> I don't think so. My guess is that WBZ wanted a major market announcer type personality in that slot. Rod Fritz is not that guy. He just doesn't have the pipes for that slot. Fritz is a good reporter and would be a positive addition to WBZ, but not anchoring morning drive. I would also expect that 1030 will be more formal in it's morning presentation come January. Walsh won't have the folksy delivery that LaPierre retained from the full-service era. Considering that WRKO just junked their newsroom, I would think that WBZ would want to further capitalize on the local news niche that they already own in this market by tightening up the delivery a bit and cramming in as much information as possible. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > For the past couple of weeks, there has been much criticism of the > TIMING of the WRKO-AM news department bloodbath, but if it had > occurred earlier, Rod Fritz might have been a favorite to succeed > Floriderman. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Nov 28 19:48:24 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:48:24 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Somebody whom I trust says that Clear Channel is pulling the plug on the progressive format in Boston on Friday, no matter what Air America does as far as finding a buyer. (Btw, whether the format had ratings in Boston, it certainly has ratings in Springfield/Northampton since WHMP starting doing it full-time on 2 stations... here in Boston, I couldn't hear WXKS or WKOX well at all on the South Shore, 7 miles from Boston.) Anybody heard anything about a format change, and if so, would the progressive format end up on some other area station? From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 29 00:46:08 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:46:08 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <456CD850.5245.778046@localhost> On 28 Nov 2006 at 19:48, Donna Halper wrote: > Somebody whom I trust says that Clear Channel is pulling the plug on > the progressive format in Boston on Friday, no matter what Air America > does as far as finding a buyer. (Btw, whether the format had ratings > in Boston, it certainly has ratings in Springfield/Northampton since > WHMP starting doing it full-time on 2 stations... I thought WHMP had 3 stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 29 01:05:30 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:05:30 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <456CD850.5245.778046@localhost> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <456CD850.5245.778046@localhost> Message-ID: <161cc550cd4c52c7102b7404590df762@charter.net> 1240/Greenfield (the old WHAI-AM) is also part of the simulcast with 1400/Northampton and 1600/East Longmeadow-Springfield. Some programming differs on the stations but it's essentially a three signal simulcast. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:46 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Nov 2006 at 19:48, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Somebody whom I trust says that Clear Channel is pulling the plug on >> the progressive format in Boston on Friday, no matter what Air America >> does as far as finding a buyer. (Btw, whether the format had ratings >> in Boston, it certainly has ratings in Springfield/Northampton since >> WHMP starting doing it full-time on 2 stations... > > I thought WHMP had 3 stations. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 29 01:28:01 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:28:01 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> If it's true, that would be a shame, but I'm not surprised. I'm a regular listener and I haven't heard a lot of paid spots on the station. Clear Channel did virtually nothing to promote the format, and with poor signals that reached small portions of the market and an all satellite lineup, no wonder it failed to take off. Progressive talkers with decent signals and local morning shows have done better, such as in Portland, OR and Seattle. I figured that CC would at least wait until the WKOX upgrade was complete and give the format a chance to work on a more competitive signal. Maybe Air America's troubles along with the lack of revenue is finally what put this experiment to an end. It could also be related to the restructuring of the company. CC has signed off several progressive talkers around the country recently and installed formats that can make some easy short term revenue to boost value. Could it be that CC is prepping 1200 and 1430 to be spun off? They're getting rid of a lot of smaller market and underperforming signals as part of their plans to go private. The two AM's are not "core assets" no matter what format they put on them. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Somebody whom I trust says that Clear Channel is pulling the plug on > the progressive format in Boston on Friday, no matter what Air America > does as far as finding a buyer. (Btw, whether the format had ratings > in Boston, it certainly has ratings in Springfield/Northampton since > WHMP starting doing it full-time on 2 stations... here in Boston, I > couldn't hear WXKS or WKOX well at all on the South Shore, 7 miles > from Boston.) Anybody heard anything about a format change, and if > so, would the progressive format end up on some other area station? From hykker@grolen.com Tue Nov 28 20:29:16 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:29:16 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement In-Reply-To: <34d24b717699c08e6147d29fd49d25ac@charter.net> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <34d24b717699c08e6147d29fd49d25ac@charter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061128202508.01a78bf8@grolen.com> David Tomm wrote: >I would also expect that 1030 will be more formal in it's morning >presentation come January. Walsh won't have the folksy delivery >that LaPierre retained from the full-service era. Considering that >WRKO just junked their newsroom, I would think that WBZ would want >to further capitalize on the local news niche that they already own >in this market by tightening up the delivery a bit and cramming in >as much information as possible. I'm not sure that wouldn't be a mistake. Why tinker with a formula that has worked well for many years? I'm sure Greg Jensen wouldn't be allowed to make little quips here & there if WBZ wanted a total hard-news image. Besides, there's always NPR if you want a stuffy presentation. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: 11/22/2006 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 29 13:10:28 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> I mentioned this _possibility_ on an Air America related board and someone said they got off the phone with "Joe Mavvie, program director for Boston's Progressive Talk" and he said the possible loss of the prog. talk format was "news to him"...FWIW... From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Nov 29 13:16:50 2006 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:16:50 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006901c713e2$8a749020$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> I noticed yesterday that they have removed the Discussion Board from their website. I took that to be a pre-emptive move to prevent a flame of CC after the rumor got out. But it was never that popular and a bit difficult to navigate, so maybe they just removed it. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:10 PM To: David Tomm; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? I mentioned this _possibility_ on an Air America related board and someone said they got off the phone with "Joe Mavvie, program director for Boston's Progressive Talk" and he said the possible loss of the prog. talk format was "news to him"...FWIW... From lglavin@mail.com Wed Nov 29 13:20:39 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:20:39 -0500 Subject: BZ names LaPierre replacement Message-ID: <20061129182042.5A50C1158D5@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Tomm" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: BZ names LaPierre replacement >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:34:02 -0500 >I don't think so. My guess is that WBZ wanted a major market >announcer type personality in that slot. Rod Fritz is not that >guy. He just doesn't have the pipes for that slot. Fritz is a >good reporter and would be a positive addition to WBZ, but not >anchoring morning drive. I guess one's perspective on who HAS and who HASN'T impressive "pipes" is somewhat subjective, but I think Rod Fritz's "pipes" are as compelling as those at the Methuen Memorial Music Hall http://www.mmmh.org >Considering that >WRKO just junked their newsroom, I would think that WBZ would want >to further capitalize on the local news niche that they already own >in this market by tightening up the delivery a bit and cramming in >as much information as possible. One of the papers today did assert that WBZ-AM will be adding to its news staffing levels soon. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 29 14:55:02 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:55:02 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> That may be true, but if Air America does go under, it would create short term logistical problems for 1200 and 1430. Outside of Schultz and Miller, they would have to fill the rest of that airtime with something. There are a few upstart syndicators trying to get shows off the ground so they'll be in a position to benefit from a possible AA crash. Randi Rhodes, and Rachel Maddow would most likely get picked up by someone and could make it back into the Boston's Progressive Talk lineup, but that could take time. Franken would most likely step away from radio and concentrate on writing and his possible Senate run as opposed to latching on with another syndicator. Thom Hartmann syndicates his show in partnership with Air America so he would likely survive the network's demise. A post-AA lineup could look like this... 9-noon Stephanie Miller 12-3p Thom Hartmann 3-6p Ed Schultz 6-9pm Jerry Springer (delayed, distributed by CC owned Premiere Radio Network) 9-mid Mike Malloy (back on the air with an upstart syndicator) 12mid-3am Lionel (delayed) 3-6am reruns The big hole would be mornings. Considering the job cuts Clear Channel is making around the country right now, hiring a live and local morning show for a struggling progressive talker doesn't seem likely. CC just blew out the entire local staff at WGST/Atlanta for Premiere-syndicated fare and is ready to dump Progressive talk in Madison, WI for Fox Sports Radio, which they also distribute. When you look at the types of programming moves CC is currently making, it doesn't look good for Boston's Progressive Talk in the long term. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 29, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I mentioned this _possibility_ on an Air America related board and > someone said they got off the phone with "Joe Mavvie, program director > for Boston's Progressive Talk" and he > said the possible loss of the prog. talk format was "news to > him"...FWIW... > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 29 15:38:15 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:38:15 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611291238l35d1b832r92f23e92f09ef593@mail.gmail.com> The question is are they dumping AAR or progressive talk entirely (IF true)? Though that is a good point: they may disconnect themselves from AAR but still could be under contract to carry the Jones shows etc. They could maybe link up with the female talk network that WNSH is running (Rolanda Watts, Radio Ritas) or some other prog. talk shows... By the way interesting video on YouTube (speaking of talk)--basically an ad for Howie Carr and WRKO, but it should be noted that there's an old TV ad for Blute and Moes... and at the end, some pictures of the news staffers that were recently let go. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HpvOBpPVQw From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 15:04:16 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:04:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> Message-ID: <890598.1300.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David Tomm wrote: > That may be true, but if Air America does go under, it would create > short term logistical problems for 1200 and 1430. Problem would be extremely short term, since I reckon they can broker out 80 percent of the airtime on those stations for ethnic programs, college sports, etc., within a week. Quick cash would be helpful if a sale is on the horizon, no? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Nov 29 16:09:32 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:09:32 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <006901c713e2$8a749020$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> References: <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> <006901c713e2$8a749020$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611291309r6824a98fu259b243b9b0834c0@mail.gmail.com> The link to the discussion board is gone on main page but the board is still there I guess... http://www.wkoxam.com/cc-common/EMTboard.html From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 29 15:14:50 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:14:50 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <890598.1300.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <890598.1300.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was inferring that if 1200/1430 were to keep their progressive talk format, it would take some time to line up programming alternatives to Air America. Obviously if they wanted to go all sports (CC could pull the Fox Sports Radio affiliation away from WEEI and run it 24/7) or broker the station out they could easily do that. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > David Tomm wrote: >> That may be true, but if Air America does go under, it would create >> short term logistical problems for 1200 and 1430. > > Problem would be extremely short term, since I reckon they can broker > out 80 percent of the airtime on those stations for ethnic programs, > college sports, etc., within a week. Quick cash would be helpful if a > sale is on the horizon, no? From pcbill@juno.com Wed Nov 29 06:25:05 2006 From: pcbill@juno.com (Bill Dillane) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:25:05 GMT Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? Message-ID: <20061129.032542.21495.1557187@webmail18.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://lists.BostonRadio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/attachments/20061129/4a665d10/attachment.ksh From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 29 17:30:33 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:30:33 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> References: <20061128210617.33D761F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20061129004834.6CCAB641A93@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <6e9254b66c5c693d6acd4185faaad44a@charter.net> <1fbbbced0611291010m6651e757u4c1f6ff75430b652@mail.gmail.com> <3066ef7bfe2a1f7bd0b8af3f0cf171d4@charter.net> Message-ID: <20061129222833.1042D642B03@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> It's a done deal. Happens within the next three weeks. From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Wed Nov 29 19:15:23 2006 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:15:23 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? References: <20061129.032542.21495.1557187@webmail18.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000801c71414$a1f8ff60$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> >Clear Channel did virtually nothing to promote the format.> But, in all fairness...Clear Channel does very, very little mass-media promotion of most of their stations. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Nov 29 19:44:13 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:44:13 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <000801c71414$a1f8ff60$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> References: <20061129.032542.21495.1557187@webmail18.lax.untd.com> <000801c71414$a1f8ff60$509c4a47@tim98b01b5ec4c> Message-ID: That's true in Boston, but of course Kiss 108 and Jam'n 94.5 don't need a lot of promotion. Major events like the Kiss Concert, Jingle Ball and the various WJMN concerts keep those stations top of mind with their target audiences. But in other markets that's not the case. Out here in Central Mass, one doesn't have to drive around too far before running into a billboard for WSRS. I'm in Philadelphia frequently and the CC stations there are the most visable. They do billboards, buscards, taxi tops, even bus stops. I see more marketing for WDAS-FM than I do for any other station there. They even do TV! CC/Boston simply didn't put the money into properly marketing WKOX/WXKS. A few taxi tops and a handful of ads in the Phoenix doesn't cut it. Despite the all syndie lineup, horrendous signals and lack of promotion, the stations at least placed in the book regularly--sometimes even approaching a one share. Stations like WTTT, WBIX, WMKI, heck even WAMG can't say that. And unlike other stations with similar ratings, from what I've heard, the demographic breakdowns were much better for 1200 & 1430. If they could have stuck it out until the upgrade to WKOX was complete, put on a local morning show and properly marketed it, they could have had a solid two share station that would have brought in respectable revenue. That's about all you could have expected from those signals and CC let that opportunity get away. The changes with Clear Channel is what's driving this move. My guess is they are prepping the AM's to be sold. They're not going to make any real revenue being the fourth conservatalker in town or doing brokered ethnic. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Tim wrote: > > >> >Clear Channel did virtually nothing to promote the format.> > > But, in all fairness...Clear Channel does very, very little mass-media > promotion of most of their stations. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Nov 29 19:46:53 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:46:53 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement Message-ID: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> My personal choice would have been Greg Jensen (sp?) He's got pipes, style and smarts. Delivers a hell of a newscast, too. His on-the-fly parsing overcomes badly written copy and he's been handed a bunch over the past few months. David Tomm wrote: > > I don't think so. My guess is that WBZ wanted a major market announcer > > type personality in that slot. Rod Fritz is not that guy. He just > > doesn't have the pipes for that slot. Fritz is a good reporter and > > would be a positive addition to WBZ, but not anchoring morning drive. From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Nov 29 20:25:17 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:25:17 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <01a301c7141e$656d3a20$6401a8c0@pastor2> I've sometimes wondered if Greg Jensen is related to the late Jim Jensen, who used to be an anchor at WCBS-TV in New York and was in Boston for a short time before that (at WBZ-TV, if memory serves --- but that was a looooonnng time ago --- early '60s, I think). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: ; "David Tomm" ; "Laurence Glavin" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Gary Lapierre's Replacement > My personal choice would have been Greg Jensen (sp?) He's got pipes, > style and smarts. Delivers a hell of a newscast, too. His on-the-fly > parsing overcomes badly written copy and he's been handed a bunch over > the past few months. > > > David Tomm wrote: > > > I don't think so. My guess is that WBZ wanted a major market > announcer > > > type personality in that slot. Rod Fritz is not that guy. He just > > > doesn't have the pipes for that slot. Fritz is a good reporter and > > > would be a positive addition to WBZ, but not anchoring morning drive. > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Nov 29 20:37:47 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:37:47 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > My personal choice would have been Greg Jensen (sp?) He's got pipes, > style and smarts. Delivers a hell of a newscast, too. His on-the-fly > parsing overcomes badly written copy and he's been handed a bunch over > the past few months. I've never cared much for Gregg Jensen's delivery myself...it always sounds a little forced to me, almost like he's trying too hard to out-Gary Gary. (And as part of the small club of people who've had to write "Gary"-style for Gary, I feel somewhat qualified to say that only Gary LaPierre can get away with a lot of what Gary does on the air.) I don't know if it's coming directly from Gregg or from the current writing staff there, but the last time I was listening to him on the air, the writing was very heavy with the sort of verbless style that Tom Brokaw used to overuse - "Mayor Menino promising tonight to get to the bottom of the latest scandal. Tom Finneran saying he won't take responsibility for it." Me changing the channel to someplace that uses verbs... (Another frequent offender in this department, alas, is the otherwise commendable Keith Olbermann.) It is also possible that I'm just very spoiled from spending the last couple of years working in public radio, where we try to write in English that's both conversational and un-gimmicky. From what I've heard of him on WOR and WCBS in recent years, that's about where Ed Walsh is coming from, too, so I'm hoping for the best with his arrival. s (who - shameless plug - can be heard for the rest of the week doing the local news breaks on WXXI AM 1370, streaming at wxxi.org, daily from 4-6:30 PM...) From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Nov 29 22:01:24 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:01:24 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <01a301c7141e$656d3a20$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <012001c7142b$de4bb040$6500a8c0@Office> I believe that I read somewhere that they were father and son. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:25 PM To: Roger Kirk; bri@bostonradio.org; David Tomm; Laurence Glavin Subject: Re: Gary Lapierre's Replacement I've sometimes wondered if Greg Jensen is related to the late Jim Jensen, who used to be an anchor at WCBS-TV in New York and was in Boston for a short time before that (at WBZ-TV, if memory serves --- but that was a looooonnng time ago --- early '60s, I think). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: ; "David Tomm" ; "Laurence Glavin" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Gary Lapierre's Replacement > My personal choice would have been Greg Jensen (sp?) He's got pipes, > style and smarts. Delivers a hell of a newscast, too. His on-the-fly > parsing overcomes badly written copy and he's been handed a bunch over > the past few months. > > > David Tomm wrote: > > > I don't think so. My guess is that WBZ wanted a major market > announcer > > > type personality in that slot. Rod Fritz is not that guy. He just > > > doesn't have the pipes for that slot. Fritz is a good reporter and > > > would be a positive addition to WBZ, but not anchoring morning drive. > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 11/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 11/28/2006 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 21:55:11 2006 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:55:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <735816.78572.qm@web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > My personal choice would have been Greg Jensen (sp?) > He's got pipes, > style and smarts. Delivers a hell of a newscast, > too. His on-the-fly > parsing overcomes badly written copy and he's been > handed a bunch over > the past few months. While we are expressing opinions. Personally, I don't like those "little comments" that Jensen throws in. They bug me.....very distracting. I also feel the voice sounds forced...a little Ted Baxter-ish.... $.02 But I'm sure he's one helluva guy! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Nov 30 00:21:44 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:21:44 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <012001c7142b$de4bb040$6500a8c0@Office> References: <012001c7142b$de4bb040$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <456E6A68.4020701@ttlc.net> IIRC, Greg's father was Leif Jensen - booth announcer for WNAC--TV Channel 7 in the early 70's when I was a mere summer replacement. And Auntie Donna was working upstairs at WRKO. Based on Leif's voice, I'd say the pipes were definitely inherited. (Everyone pronounced it "lafe" - rhymes with safe) Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I believe that I read somewhere that they were father and son. > > Doug Drown > I've sometimes wondered if Greg Jensen is related to the late Jim Jensen, > who used to be an anchor at WCBS-TV in New York and was in Boston for a > short time before that (at WBZ-TV, if memory serves --- but that was a > looooonnng time ago --- early '60s, I think). From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Nov 30 00:28:22 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:28:22 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <456E6BF6.2080700@ttlc.net> Scott Fybush wrote: > I've never cared much for Gregg Jensen's delivery myself...it always > sounds a little forced to me, almost like he's trying too hard to > out-Gary Gary. (And as part of the small club of people who've had to > write "Gary"-style for Gary, I feel somewhat qualified to say that only > Gary LaPierre can get away with a lot of what Gary does on the air.) I'll admit that, once in great while, he can be a tad "over the top." I just think he gets a little carried away. But, perhaps he was hoping to get the Gary nomination. I just hope they don't stifle him. Remember: he CAN pronounce nuclear, meteorologist and double-you - correctly and clearly. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 30 03:24:47 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:24:47 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: References: <890598.1300.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611300024i5b3cdb6bi612f7d03193c5e07@mail.gmail.com> >>CC could pull the Fox Sports Radio affiliation away from WEEI and run it 24/7) Intriguing possibility: Fox Sports 1200 and 1430? If that were to happen WEEI could try to affiliate with ESPN again (which would pull THAT away from 890 and 1400! Musical chairs). Donna said: >>It's a done deal. Happens within the next three weeks Meaning, done as in prog. talk is off air but replaced with what? Spanish, sports? Who knows. Maybe all Christmas until then. Didn't WXKS (AM) go all Christmas for a time when they were a standards station btw? >>My guess is they are prepping the AM's to be sold. They're not going to make any real revenue being the fourth conservatalker in town or doing brokered ethnic. Could be. And for those who bemoan the loss of WILD and WILD-FM maybe a local or national buyer could turn one or both into an R&B outlet From hykker@grolen.com Thu Nov 30 07:33:12 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:33:12 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> Scott Fybush wrote: >It is also possible that I'm just very spoiled from spending the >last couple of years working in public radio, where we try to write >in English that's both conversational and un-gimmicky. Guess it's a matter of perspecitve...I've always found the public radio style to be very stiff & pretentious, almost like they're talking down to you. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: 11/22/2006 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Nov 30 09:50:52 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <864595.74300.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David Tomm wrote: > The changes with Clear Channel is what's driving this move. My guess > > is they are prepping the AM's to be sold. They're not going to make > > any real revenue being the fourth conservatalker in town or doing > brokered ethnic. I'll disagree. Why else did Clear Channel keep brokered programming on WKOX for the first few years they owned it? Why else would Arthur Liu's firm have paid to buy 1470, then pay for the move-in to the Lexington site? They'll make more money selling airtime than, as you said, being No. 4 talker or sports station in town. To boost revenues short-term, and make the balance sheet look nice, it's a smart move. Long-term, there always will be a market for underserved markets, especially since there is no major Spanish signal in the market. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 30 12:59:01 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:59:01 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> Message-ID: <456F1BE5.2080009@fybush.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Scott Fybush wrote: >> It is also possible that I'm just very spoiled from spending the last >> couple of years working in public radio, where we try to write in >> English that's both conversational and un-gimmicky. > > Guess it's a matter of perspecitve...I've always found the public radio > style to be very stiff & pretentious, almost like they're talking down > to you. There is a conscious effort among many of us in the public radio community to move away from that style, which is still unfortunately too much in evidence on some of the national programming. (Robert Siegel on ATC is a prime offender, who was especially grating the other day when he was insisting on pronouncing "Muslims" as "Mooo-slims.") But there are plenty of counter-examples as well; Scott Simon on Weekend Edition Saturday has a wonderful conversational style, at least to my ear. And my current "delivery idol" is Kai Ryssdal on Marketplace, who's as far from stuffy as it gets. On the local level, it of course varies dramatically from station to station. But I'd never accuse WBUR's Robin Young, for instance, of sounding either stiff or pretentious. Ditto for my friend Dave Faneuf. Here in Rochester, my colleague Alex Crichton, who does the local Morning Edition breaks every weekday from 5-9:30, is a former jazz DJ and sounds every bit the part. I like to think I'm not sounding stuffy when I'm on in the afternoon, either. As always, the proof is in the listening - if you'd like to tell me I'm full of...er...stuffed shirt, hit the AM 1370 stream at WXXI.org today or tomorrow between 4-6:30 PM ET and hear for yourself :-) s From lglavin@mail.com Thu Nov 30 17:14:28 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:14:28 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... Message-ID: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> ...listening to a pair of radio stations swapping call letters and frequencies at mid-day is your idea of a nooner. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Nov 30 16:49:51 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:49:51 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? Message-ID: <20061130214953.1F87D164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: "David Tomm" >Subject: Re: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) > Long-term, >there always will be a market for underserved markets, especially since >there is no major Spanish signal in the market. After the buildout of their new facilities on Sawmill Brook Pahkway, won't either WRCA or WUNR, or even both become major signals? -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Nov 30 17:53:31 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:53:31 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... In-Reply-To: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0611301453m27808389td50409784134c014@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Laurence Glavin wrote: > ...listening to a pair of radio stations swapping call letters and frequencies > at mid-day is your idea of a nooner. Ooh! Taking pictures of radio towers...discussing "patterns"...getting all excited when a format changes...scouting out the radio columns in the papers, and stuff online. Yes we're radio geeks and proud of it, man! And today's Globe column said some might be surprised if they should tune in sometime after noon tomorrow and hear classical on 99.5 and country on 102.5. Surely the freq switch was mentioned thousands of times on both stations and on their websites, and in the papers; elsewhere online, etc. If you're a regular or even occasional listener of either station you won't be surprised at all. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 30 18:23:48 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:23:48 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? References: <864595.74300.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c714d6$9b78f1a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Rumor has it that WESX and WJDA are sold out. Otto Miller (if I've got the name right--the guy who bought WESX and WJDA) is reportedly looking for additional properties in the Boston market. I can imagine 1430 beng in his price range but WKOX probably not. The grapevine says that Radio One's asking price for WILD (rumored to be at least $7 million) did not stop Miller from negotiating--but I have no clue about whether negotiations are still going on. The parties may have been too far apart and saw no point in continuing. With 1090, 1200, 1430, and 1510 all on the market, one would think Boston-market AM prices would be coming down a bit. I could see 1200 going to some major Hispanic broadcaster for big $$$. But we all know about the last major Hispanic broadcaster with properties in Boston and environs. So the question is who has the resources to buy or LMA a station for which Bain Capital will probably ask something close to $20 million? Beasley? Aren't Beasley's foreign-language stations mostly brokered? I know that WRCA is. Same for Arthur Liu. Liu has deep pockets, but I don't think Multicultural is into producing the programs that air on its stations. Still, I imagine that both Beasley and Liu understand the brokered-time business really well and know how to make it pay, whereas brokered time was a very small part of CCU's business and CCU may have decided that the return just didn't justify the headaches. Unless CCU's new owners feel that leasing out facilities is a good way to make money, I can imagine a lot of CCU's non-core assets being sold to companies for which leasing out facilities is a core strategy. OTOH, if Bain Capital becomes persuaded that leasing out facilities is the thing to do, look for them to hire people who know how to do it and for many CCU AM properties to become major players in the leased-time business. As a rule, brokered stations have relatively low revenue but bring a very high percentage of revenue to the bottom line. Since Paul Allen is a multi-billionaire, he seems willing to wait for someone to meet his price for WWZN. In this case, I would say that that strategy has not paid off and appears unlikely to do so. Anyone considering buying WWZN can now probably also consider WKOX. Once WKOX upgrades, the signals will be comparable--although 1510's night coverage will be superior--believe it or not. The asking price for WKOX may be significantly greater but, because of the onerous lease for 1510's transmitter site, the break-even for WKOX will almost surely be lower. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "David Tomm" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? > David Tomm wrote: > > The changes with Clear Channel is what's driving this move. My guess > > > > is they are prepping the AM's to be sold. They're not going to make > > > > any real revenue being the fourth conservatalker in town or doing > > brokered ethnic. > > I'll disagree. Why else did Clear Channel keep brokered programming on > WKOX for the first few years they owned it? Why else would Arthur Liu's > firm have paid to buy 1470, then pay for the move-in to the Lexington > site? They'll make more money selling airtime than, as you said, being > No. 4 talker or sports station in town. To boost revenues short-term, > and make the balance sheet look nice, it's a smart move. Long-term, > there always will be a market for underserved markets, especially since > there is no major Spanish signal in the market. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Nov 30 23:16:27 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:16:27 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? References: <20061130214953.1F87D164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002001c714ff$a9b25080$19eefea9@satpro4600> After the upgrade, WKOX will obviously have the best daytime signal of the three triplexed stations (most power, lowest frequency, least directional). At night, though, WKOX will have a much higher NIF than WUNR (something like 13.5 mV/m for WKOX vs 5 and change for WUNR). I'm not sure about WRCA, but I doubt that its NIF is/will be as high as 13.5 mV/m. Once upon a time--before 1330 in New York changed transmitter sites and night patterns--what is now WRCA must have had an NIF in the 40s. WPOW (and later also share-time partner, the old WEVD 1330--after it moved to the WPOW site) sent a HUGE night signal directly toward Boston. Anyhow, I think the owners will be unpleasantly surprised with the result of the "upgrade" for which they fought so long and spent so much. WUNR already has a very mediocre signal in the close-in northwestern suburbs, where I live. That will be cut back somewhat to comply with the FCC's "ratchet rule." (Rather ironically, WUNR must protect 1590 in Nashua, which barely exists anymore.) WRCA, which currently has a dynamite signal here, will see that signal cut WAY back. Of course, these stations' target audiences are not in Arlington, Lexington, or Winchester. The places where the signals will be strong are in Brookline, Jamaica Plain, Roxbury, and Dorchester. Maybe those are the places that count in the brokered-time world. But, for WRCA in particular, a signal that currently can be called "full market," won't be after it "upgrades." -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: ; "David Tomm" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sean Smyth" > >To: "David Tomm" > >Subject: Re: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? > >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) > > > Long-term, > >there always will be a market for underserved markets, especially since > >there is no major Spanish signal in the market. > > After the buildout of their new facilities on Sawmill Brook Pahkway, > won't either WRCA or WUNR, or even both become major signals? > > > -- > > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > >