From rgallison@yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 12:02:36 2006 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCTB the river 93.5 Message-ID: <20060702160236.88802.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> What happenned to WCTB Fairfield Maine? The River 93.5 seems to have flowed into oblivion here on my radio dial. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 2 12:41:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:41:08 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: <000a01c69df6$56b117c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Early this morning, I happened on Rollye James on WPHT (1210 Philadelphia) doing an interview (apparently live) with long-ago Boston radio personaility (and not quite so long ago record-company exec) Joe Smith. Among the things I learned is that Smith is a Yale alum. I gather that Smith is about my age and is the author of several books about the record business. He sounded just fine. The two Boston stations that James mentioned as places where Smith had worked were WMEX and WILD. I don't recall him on WMEX. What years did he work there? Although I DO remember him on 1260, I don't recall whether it was WVDA or WEZE at the time. I suspect, however, that Air Trails bought 1260 (ex WNAC) from Vic Diehm--and changed the calls to WEZE--before I arrived in Boston around June 1 1956. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Sun Jul 2 15:59:01 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:59:01 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <000a01c69df6$56b117c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000d01c69e11$f6b382b0$a7483518@DG07P241> It was WVDA. I recall an afternoon (2-5?) and evening shift (8-10?) and Arnie Ginsburg on WBOS 1600 welcoming "all you Joe Smith listeners" at 10 so I guess Arnie began his show at 9 or 9:30. Great Radio days!!! Paul Sandwich Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Joe Smith > Early this morning, I happened on Rollye James on WPHT (1210 Philadelphia) > doing an interview (apparently live) with long-ago Boston radio personaility > (and not quite so long ago record-company exec) Joe Smith. Among the things > I learned is that Smith is a Yale alum. I gather that Smith is about my age > and is the author of several books about the record business. He sounded > just fine. The two Boston stations that James mentioned as places where > Smith had worked were WMEX and WILD. I don't recall him on WMEX. What years > did he work there? Although I DO remember him on 1260, I don't recall > whether it was WVDA or WEZE at the time. I suspect, however, that Air Trails > bought 1260 (ex WNAC) from Vic Diehm--and changed the calls to WEZE--before > I arrived in Boston around June 1 1956. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 2 17:17:01 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:17:01 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <000a01c69df6$56b117c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <000d01c69e11$f6b382b0$a7483518@DG07P241> Message-ID: <000701c69e1c$e0555740$19eefea9@dstrassberg> He mentioned buying the time for the night show on which he played what were then called "race" records, later renamed to the more politically correct rock n' roll. I think his audience, like that of Alan Freed and others in other markets, consisted primarly of White teens. Smith must have been in the vanguard of introducing this music, then recorded almost exclusively by African-American artists, to a White audience. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Currier" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > It was WVDA. I recall an afternoon (2-5?) and evening shift (8-10?) and > Arnie Ginsburg on WBOS 1600 welcoming "all you Joe Smith listeners" at 10 so > I guess Arnie began his show at 9 or 9:30. Great Radio days!!! > > Paul > Sandwich Cape Cod > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "Boston Radio Interest" > > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:41 PM > Subject: Joe Smith > > > > Early this morning, I happened on Rollye James on WPHT (1210 Philadelphia) > > doing an interview (apparently live) with long-ago Boston radio > personaility > > (and not quite so long ago record-company exec) Joe Smith. Among the > things > > I learned is that Smith is a Yale alum. I gather that Smith is about my > age > > and is the author of several books about the record business. He sounded > > just fine. The two Boston stations that James mentioned as places where > > Smith had worked were WMEX and WILD. I don't recall him on WMEX. What > years > > did he work there? Although I DO remember him on 1260, I don't recall > > whether it was WVDA or WEZE at the time. I suspect, however, that Air > Trails > > bought 1260 (ex WNAC) from Vic Diehm--and changed the calls to > WEZE--before > > I arrived in Boston around June 1 1956. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > > > > > > > > > From fox893@yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 17:31:53 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCTB the river 93.5 In-Reply-To: <20060702160236.88802.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060702213153.73911.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As of when? Last time WMWV-FM went off the air(Monday 6/19??)I heard them loud and clear. --- Richard Gallison wrote: > What happenned to WCTB Fairfield Maine? The River > 93.5 > seems to have flowed into oblivion here on my radio > dial. > > Richard > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 3 00:34:19 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:34:19 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <000701c69e1c$e0555740$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <000a01c69df6$56b117c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <000d01c69e11$f6b382b0$a7483518@DG07P241> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060703001142.0bcf7838@pop.registeredsite.com> I don't recall that Joe Smith was ever on WMEX, although anything is possible. I do recall him on WVDA in the mid 50s-- he worked a split shift in fact, mid-morning and then back in the afternoon. He also worked at WILD after his WVDA days ended (and WVDA ended too). He got a bit of unwanted national notoriety in 1960, while he worked at WILD-- he was accused of taking payola (about $10,000 worth). By the mid 1960s, he was at Warner Brothers in LA, where he rose from A&R to head of the label. The first major band he signed to WB was the Grateful Dead in 1967. Joe is a grad of Chelsea High (class of 1945) by the way. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 3 07:17:14 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:17:14 -0400 Subject: WAZN 1470 off at night and apparently running reduced power days Message-ID: <001101c69e92$44bd2c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Some months ago, after a long delay and the filing of what appeared to be a duplicate application for the facilities it had been granted earlier (and was using until a couple of days ago), brokered multi-ethnic WAZN was granted a license to cover its move from Marlborough to Watertown (actually, Lexington). Now the station has withdrawn the duplicate application, which appeared to cover a paperwork snafu at the FCC (or maybe the fact that the CP had expired before the FCC granted the license to cover). But as of a couple of days ago, WAZN appears to be operating with reduced day power and not operating at night at all. I gather from the long delays in getting the CP facilities on the air that the installation of this diplex with WTTT ran into a bunch of snags. I have no idea of the reason for the current operation, but presumably WAZN is operating under STA. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 4 04:18:06 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 04:18:06 -0400 Subject: New England, The Patriots and We Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607040118q5705e57ct77040090ccc0939f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com look for a link (July 3 edition) to a youtube video of the 1986 song "New England the Patriots and Me", celebrating the Super Bowl trip....spot how many local media people took part. I saw Loren and Wally; Ray Flynn (mayor at the time); John Dennis... From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 4 06:40:14 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:40:14 -0400 Subject: New England, The Patriots and We In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607040118q5705e57ct77040090ccc0939f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0607040118q5705e57ct77040090ccc0939f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob wrote: > http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com > > look for a link (July 3 edition) to a youtube video of the 1986 song > "New England the Patriots and Me", celebrating > the Super Bowl trip....spot how many local media people took part. I > saw Loren and Wally; > Ray Flynn (mayor at the time); John Dennis... > Bob, thanks for sharing that. i actually have my original reel-to-reel version from Soundtrack Studios in Boston that was shipped to radio around the area. (15 ips, heads, 1/2 track). i think i saw Lobel in there, and Joe Martelle's crew, but couldn't quite make out the old 'EEI-AM crew. (i was at the nifty 850 at the time and got my sports from eddie and tom) great memory - anyone have a better quality that they can post to youtube ? --Chuck Igo From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 4 10:40:56 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:40:56 -0400 Subject: New England, The Patriots and We In-Reply-To: References: <1fbbbced0607040118q5705e57ct77040090ccc0939f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607040740r47a8b1eeu94ed8b06eb46c355@mail.gmail.com> > thanks for sharing that. i actually have my original reel-to-reel > version from Soundtrack Studios in Boston that was shipped to radio > around the area. (15 ips, heads, 1/2 track). > i think i saw Lobel in there, and Joe Martelle's crew Yes some people looked familiar but I couldn't quite place them. By the way I think Morgan White Jr. was somehow involved with this, if I remember right. He would get on air and say that the video was "our response to the Super Bowl Shuffle (that the Bears did)." I remember (barely) some song parodies that came out (maybe via Eddie Andelman?) at the time. One of them was set to the tune of the Irish song "McNamara's Band" and it was "Oh, my name is Raymond Berry, I'm the leader of the Pats/Ask (name of team) if we are a bunch of old doormats/Oh, we've Lippett and Tippett and..." etc. Another was set to the New Orleans tone "My Toot Toot": "Don't mess with Tatupu/ Whatever you do, do/He'll make you bear stew, stew..." Recently, one of the playoff teams--Seattle, I think?--had a player named Lofi (IIRC) Tatupu. Mosi Tatupu's son. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 4 16:45:24 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:45:24 -0400 Subject: New England, The Patriots and We In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607040740r47a8b1eeu94ed8b06eb46c355@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c69faa$c6ae3480$0400a8c0@maine.rr.com> Bob recalled of the hype leading up to 1/26/86... >>I remember (barely) some song parodies that came out (maybe via Eddie >>Andelman?) at the time. One of them was set to the tune of the Irish song "McNamara's Band" and it was "Oh, my name is Raymond Berry, I'm the leader of the Pats/Ask (name of team) if we are a bunch of old doormats/Oh, we've Lippett and Tippett and..." etc. Another was set to the New Orleans tone "My Toot Toot": "Don't mess with Tatupu/ Whatever you do, do/He'll make you bear stew, stew..." Recently, one of the playoff teams--Seattle, I think?--had a player named Lofi (IIRC) Tatupu. Mosi Tatupu's son.<< The "Raymond Berry's Pats" (MacNamara's Band) was Tom Doyle with HDH's "Brucie & The Benchwarmers," and the single was actually pressed to vinyl (45rpm). Not sure on the other one, but "Brucie and the Benchwarmers" (Bruce Cornblat) did the majority of the sports' song parodies you might have heard on 850 WHDH (We Hate Designated Hitters) --Chuck Igo From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 19:00:25 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Last hint of any news at WZMY channel 50 gone ?? Message-ID: <20060704230025.67419.qmail@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From my e-mail in box from Channel 50 Derry NH Starting today, July 3, our menu includes a "lighter fare" for the summer: 7:00 pm ELLEN 8:00 pm BECKER 8:30 pm CHEERS 9:00 pm CHEERS 9:30 pm FRASIER 10:00 pm THAT 70'S SHOW Best Regards, Diane Sutter President/CEO NOTE THAT: My TV Prime, the combo live talk/news program from 8:00pm to 9:30pm is removed from the schedule. John B Derry From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 4 20:10:28 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:10:28 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> >>Ed wrote-- >> Donna, I have bound copies of "Hearings Before A Subcommittee Of The >> Committee On Interstate And Foreign Commerce House Of >> Representatives...Eighty-Sixth Congress...Second Session On Payola And >> Other Deceptive Practices In The Broadcasting Field." (Dates are >> January, February, March, April, May and August of 1960.) These books >> contain the testimony of many of the Boston radio people and music >> industry people. Among the many is Joe Smith. In the testimony he >> states he was at WMEX but his shows were being recorded from outside of >> Boston, because he was living in New York at the time. While in New >> York he was the general professional manager of Dominion Music >> Publishing Company. This was in 1958 . I know that these volumes were >> also in the library at Emerson when I was there, I graduated in >> 1965. If you want more information from these books please let me >> know. .........Edward M. Hurvitz.....shaylee2@verizon.net That's surprising, because the payola hearing reporting from all of the the newspaper accounts (Variety, Broadcasting, Boston Globe, Record, Herald, etc) all said Joe was at WILD at the time. Is that incorrect? Btw, I still teach at Emerson, so I can certainly check, but the transcripts of testimony that made the newspapers, and I am looking right at several of them, all associated Joe with WILD. Go figure. From blaine@well.com Tue Jul 4 21:01:13 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:01:13 -0400 Subject: Rod MacLeish/WBZ Radio Message-ID: <44AB0F59.4030603@well.com> Early 1950's WBZ radio News Director Rod MacLeish passed away late Saturday night in Washington, DC, at age 80. More on various news sites... Blaine Thompson From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Wed Jul 5 07:45:01 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> I'd have bet the barn that Joe was never on WMEX - still would. Is the testimony oral or written, ie a typo perhaps? Does anyone on the BRI list actually recall hearing Joe on WMEX? The wise old Vermonter used to say to believe none of what you hear and half of what you see and you'll come out about right. Paul Sandwich Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > > >>Ed wrote-- > >> Donna, I have bound copies of "Hearings Before A Subcommittee Of The > >> Committee On Interstate And Foreign Commerce House Of > >> Representatives...Eighty-Sixth Congress...Second Session On Payola And > >> Other Deceptive Practices In The Broadcasting Field." (Dates are > >> January, February, March, April, May and August of 1960.) These books > >> contain the testimony of many of the Boston radio people and music > >> industry people. Among the many is Joe Smith. In the testimony he > >> states he was at WMEX but his shows were being recorded from outside of > >> Boston, because he was living in New York at the time. While in New > >> York he was the general professional manager of Dominion Music > >> Publishing Company. This was in 1958 . I know that these volumes were > >> also in the library at Emerson when I was there, I graduated in > >> 1965. If you want more information from these books please let me > >> know. .........Edward M. Hurvitz.....shaylee2@verizon.net > > That's surprising, because the payola hearing reporting from all of the the > newspaper accounts (Variety, Broadcasting, Boston Globe, Record, Herald, > etc) all said Joe was at WILD at the time. Is that incorrect? Btw, I > still teach at Emerson, so I can certainly check, but the transcripts of > testimony that made the newspapers, and I am looking right at several of > them, all associated Joe with WILD. Go figure. > > From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Jul 5 08:11:30 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:11:30 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> Message-ID: <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Hi Joe.... If you "google" "Joe Smith" (in quotes) along with the word WMEX outside the quotes, you will find several references to his 'MEX days Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Currier" To: ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > I'd have bet the barn that Joe was never on WMEX - still would. Is the > testimony oral or written, ie a typo perhaps? > > Does anyone on the BRI list actually recall hearing Joe on WMEX? > > The wise old Vermonter used to say to believe none of what you hear and half > of what you see and you'll come out about right. > > Paul > Sandwich > Cape Cod > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: Joe Smith > > > > > > >>Ed wrote-- > > >> Donna, I have bound copies of "Hearings Before A Subcommittee Of The > > >> Committee On Interstate And Foreign Commerce House Of > > >> Representatives...Eighty-Sixth Congress...Second Session On Payola And > > >> Other Deceptive Practices In The Broadcasting Field." (Dates are > > >> January, February, March, April, May and August of 1960.) These books > > >> contain the testimony of many of the Boston radio people and music > > >> industry people. Among the many is Joe Smith. In the testimony he > > >> states he was at WMEX but his shows were being recorded from outside of > > >> Boston, because he was living in New York at the time. While in New > > >> York he was the general professional manager of Dominion Music > > >> Publishing Company. This was in 1958 . I know that these volumes > were > > >> also in the library at Emerson when I was there, I graduated in > > >> 1965. If you want more information from these books please let me > > >> know. .........Edward M. Hurvitz.....shaylee2@verizon.net > > > > That's surprising, because the payola hearing reporting from all of the > the > > newspaper accounts (Variety, Broadcasting, Boston Globe, Record, Herald, > > etc) all said Joe was at WILD at the time. Is that incorrect? Btw, I > > still teach at Emerson, so I can certainly check, but the transcripts of > > testimony that made the newspapers, and I am looking right at several of > > them, all associated Joe with WILD. Go figure. > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 5 09:13:43 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:13:43 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com><000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I Googled "Joe Smith" WMEX as you suggested and I did indeed get a page of links. If you read the citations for each link carefully, though, you will discover that only one suggests that Smith might have worked at WMEX. I followed that link (to a CD on sale at Amazon.com) and I found nothing on the Amazon page that confirms the suggestion that Smith worked at WMEX. He may have done so, of course, but whether he really did remains very much in doubt. Moral: Googling is an art that is much more complex and subtle than most people believe. Let that be a lesson to all who think you can insert search terms and obtain useful information from the number of "hits." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Paul B. Currier" ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > Hi Joe.... > > If you "google" "Joe Smith" (in quotes) along with the word WMEX outside the > quotes, you will find several references to his 'MEX days > > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul B. Currier" > To: ; "Donna Halper" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: Joe Smith > > > > I'd have bet the barn that Joe was never on WMEX - still would. Is the > > testimony oral or written, ie a typo perhaps? > > > > Does anyone on the BRI list actually recall hearing Joe on WMEX? > > > > The wise old Vermonter used to say to believe none of what you hear and > half > > of what you see and you'll come out about right. > > > > Paul > > Sandwich > > Cape Cod > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Halper" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:10 PM > > Subject: Re: Joe Smith > > > > > > > > > > >>Ed wrote-- > > > >> Donna, I have bound copies of "Hearings Before A Subcommittee Of The > > > >> Committee On Interstate And Foreign Commerce House Of > > > >> Representatives...Eighty-Sixth Congress...Second Session On Payola > And > > > >> Other Deceptive Practices In The Broadcasting Field." (Dates are > > > >> January, February, March, April, May and August of 1960.) These > books > > > >> contain the testimony of many of the Boston radio people and music > > > >> industry people. Among the many is Joe Smith. In the testimony he > > > >> states he was at WMEX but his shows were being recorded from outside > of > > > >> Boston, because he was living in New York at the time. While in New > > > >> York he was the general professional manager of Dominion Music > > > >> Publishing Company. This was in 1958 . I know that these volumes > > were > > > >> also in the library at Emerson when I was there, I graduated in > > > >> 1965. If you want more information from these books please let me > > > >> know. .........Edward M. Hurvitz.....shaylee2@verizon.net > > > > > > That's surprising, because the payola hearing reporting from all of the > > the > > > newspaper accounts (Variety, Broadcasting, Boston Globe, Record, Herald, > > > etc) all said Joe was at WILD at the time. Is that incorrect? Btw, I > > > still teach at Emerson, so I can certainly check, but the transcripts of > > > testimony that made the newspapers, and I am looking right at several of > > > them, all associated Joe with WILD. Go figure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 5 11:20:30 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:20:30 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060705111650.02df6d98@pop.registeredsite.com> >it was said by Dan-- >Moral: Googling is an art that is much more complex and subtle than most >people believe. Let that be a lesson to all who think you can insert search >terms and obtain useful information from the number of "hits." I tell my students this all the time. Just because a "fact" is repeated over and over, doesn't make it true or even accurate, since a mistake can get repeated in cyberspace for years. KDKA is allegedly the "first radio station in the world" according to many who prefer publicity over truth, and a google search for KDKA will find that "fact" repeated endlessly. I am not criticising google or ask.com or any other non-scholarly search engines, but the reliability of the information has NOTHING to do with how many times something is repeated. I still can't find evidence that Joe Smith was at WMEX, no matter how many people say he was. If Joe says it', I'll be more inclined to agree. But his testimony to the Payola committee said he was at WILD and then he went off to the record industry. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 5 11:48:29 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:48:29 -0400 Subject: New England, The Patriots and We In-Reply-To: <000401c69faa$c6ae3480$0400a8c0@maine.rr.com> References: <1fbbbced0607040740r47a8b1eeu94ed8b06eb46c355@mail.gmail.com> <000401c69faa$c6ae3480$0400a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607050848t43aa217ds3156ef2a5c022eb9@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/06, Chuck Igo wrote: > The "Raymond Berry's Pats" (MacNamara's Band) was Tom Doyle with HDH's > "Brucie & The Benchwarmers," and the single was actually pressed to > vinyl (45rpm). > > Not sure on the other one, but "Brucie and the Benchwarmers" (Bruce > Cornblat) did the majority of the sports' song parodies you might have > heard on 850 WHDH thanks for the info! There have been sports related song parodies over the years. In the early 1990s, the Toronto Blue Jays inspired a couple CDs--with proceeds going to charity, the Variety Club of Southern Ontario--and many Toronto radio personalities took part. There were parodies of songs by Jim Croce, Beach Boys, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Billy Ray Cyrus, etc. And speaking of the Blue Jays, I noticed "Team 990" up in Montreal was carrying their Saturday afternoon game when I was up in the Burlington, VT area this past weekend...though they didn't carry the Sunday game (supposedly not every game will be on every single Blue Jay affiliate). Looks like Montreal's all sports station still wanted to have a baseball connection, despite last year's move of the Expos to Washington DC. From miscon@miscon.net Wed Jul 5 13:22:23 2006 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:22:23 -0400 Subject: Rod MacLeish/WBZ Radio (AUDIO CLIPS) Message-ID: <200607051322.AA483459676@miscon.net> I have a few clips from Rod that I saved from when I took in some of his commentaries for Monitor Radio. http://www.miscon.net/audio/rodsings.mp3 I don't exactly remember why, but Rod started singing some of his report... he launches into his own rendition from Aida. length :35 http://www.miscon.net/rodlimeric.mp3 The only clean limeric I've ever memorized came from Rod. Here it is. length :12 http://www.miscon.net/rodspay.mp3 "Oops! Rod, I screwed up! Can you read it through again?" Here's his reply, and perhaps an insight to how much he was getting paid by the CSM. length :11 Mike ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Blaine Thompson Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:01:13 -0400 >Early 1950's WBZ radio News Director Rod MacLeish passed away late >Saturday night in Washington, DC, at age 80. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jul 5 15:12:52 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:12:52 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch Message-ID: <200607051512.AA3108569374@mail.ttlc.net> As of 8;05 this am, CHTN (720) Charlottetown was to have morphed in to an FM Mike/Jack/Bob/Ed/Barry/Elliot as Ocean 100.3 The slogan is an original: "We Play Everything!" From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:51:36 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: Rod MacLeish/WBZ Radio (AUDIO CLIPS) References: <200607051322.AA483459676@miscon.net> Message-ID: <026d01c6a06c$71651580$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I have a few clips from Rod that I saved from when I took in some of his commentaries for Monitor Radio. Many are unaware that Rod MacLeish is the grandnephew of Archibald MacLeish, the Pulitzer Prize-winning poet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_MacLeish Rod MacLeish's son was one of the lawyers in the Church sexual abuse scandal. http://www.gtlaw.com/biographies/biography.asp?id=1742 (He was the more mild-mannered one, compared to the tough and brash Mitchell Garabedian.) From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Jul 5 18:07:11 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:07:11 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com><000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001201c6a07f$5f4b50e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> My Google was a little more forthcoming: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/09/04/PKGH2E8M7F1.DTL "Said Joe Smith of WMEX in Boston: "You declared it, which I did. I can never ever remember having somebody give me a record with a $50 bill and saying, 'Play this record.' It was always...." http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000008RM/102-6858368-8868118?v=glance&n=5174 "Date:.....February 16, 1999 Reviewer: A music fan Of particular interest to anyone like me who grew up in the Boston area in the late 50's is that 65 second gem called "The Joe Smith Theme". Joe Smith was the #1 Rock and Roll diskjockey in Boston at that time, first at WVDA/WEZE (1260) in the afternoon and in the evening, and then at WMEX (1510) evenings only before ending his on-air career at WILD (1090) afternoons only after the payola debacle. Joe began his evening shows with that Valentine's theme song. Until this CD, I had not heard that theme song for about 40 years. For me, that one cut was worth the price of the CD." http://brebru.com/musicroom/rockandroll/payola.html "Feb. 19, 1960 * WILD disc jockey Joe Smith testified that two record companies paid him royalties on records sold in the Boston area, including one record in which Dick Clark had an interest. He also admitted that he had received $8,955 in a three year period from companies and seven manufacturers but denies payola." ...my suggestion is that Google cannot be discounted as a source, but rather must be proven to be incorrect using other resources. Clearly, Joe Smith's haunts in the 3 years prior to February 1960,have to be accounted for. When did he leave WVDA and when did he join WILD? If they are the close to the same time then MAYBE he didn't work at WMEX. Googling is a very logical artform and it "molds" itself to your preferred "style" of search...therefore one user will not get the same responses as another. It's my fault for suggesting it...on top of that, I wasn't even in Boston at the time! Now if you want to hear about Joey Reynolds "Wild Weekend" theme on WPOP ("borrowed" from WKBW)or stories about the "King of Kielbasa Country" Dick Heatherton and his sister Joey...or my favorite, WABC's "reverb", Hartford and the Connecticut shore in the 60's is more in my league. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Roger Kolakowski" ; "Paul B. Currier" ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > I Googled "Joe Smith" WMEX as you suggested and I did indeed get a page of > links. If you read the citations for each link carefully, though, you will > discover that only one suggests that Smith might have worked at WMEX. I > followed that link (to a CD on sale at Amazon.com) and I found nothing on > the Amazon page that confirms the suggestion that Smith worked at WMEX. He > may have done so, of course, but whether he really did remains very much in > doubt. > > Moral: Googling is an art that is much more complex and subtle than most > people believe. Let that be a lesson to all who think you can insert search > terms and obtain useful information from the number of "hits." > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 6 01:04:20 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:04:20 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060705111650.02df6d98@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44AC6194.8461.953FF6@localhost> On 5 Jul 2006 at 11:20, Donna Halper wrote: > I tell my students this all the time. Just because a "fact" is > repeated over and over, doesn't make it true or even accurate, since a > mistake can get repeated in cyberspace for years. KDKA is allegedly > the "first radio station in the world" according to many who prefer > publicity over truth, and a google search for KDKA will find that > "fact" repeated endlessly. I am not criticising google or ask.com or > any other non-scholarly search engines, but the reliability of the > information has NOTHING to do with how many times something is > repeated. I still can't find evidence that Joe Smith was at WMEX, no > matter how many people say he was. If Joe says it', I'll be more > inclined to agree. But his testimony to the Payola committee said he > was at WILD and then he went off to the record industry. And I'll bet you won't find anything on Google about the Joe Smith that someone nominated for Vice President at the 1956 Republican National Convention, as an anti-Nixon protest. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jul 6 11:00:22 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:00:22 -0500 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch Message-ID: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rogerkirk > To: BRI > Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:12:52 -0400 > > > As of 8;05 this am, CHTN (720) Charlottetown was to have morphed in > to an FM Mike/Jack/Bob/Ed/Barry/Elliot as Ocean 100.3 The slogan is > an original: "We Play Everything!" > Does this mean P.E.I. is bereft of any AM signals? I remember getting a signal on 630 khz from the Province but no other. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jul 6 11:16:11 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:16:11 -0500 Subject: No Sign Of Life On Sawmill Brook Parkway Message-ID: <20060706151612.464D586B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> I'm taking a few days off this week and happened to be renting a car for my July IVth trip. Since I had miles to kill on the vehicle when I got back, I decided to go down to the controversial tower site on Sawmill Brook Parkway in Newton's Oak Hill section. The somewhat impressive WUNR-AM 1600 towers are still there, but it appears that not a single blade of grass has been disturbed on the property itself. Of course, I can't tell what manner of electronics may be in the process of being installed in the blockhouse, But apparently no tower-oriented construction has even begun yet. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 6 11:36:27 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:36:27 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch In-Reply-To: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44AD2DFB.8020009@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >> As of 8;05 this am, CHTN (720) Charlottetown was to have morphed in >> to an FM Mike/Jack/Bob/Ed/Barry/Elliot as Ocean 100.3 The slogan is >> an original: "We Play Everything!" > > Does this mean P.E.I. is bereft of any AM signals? > I remember getting a signal on 630 khz from the Province but no > other. CFCY 630 will be on the air for a few more months, but it too is moving to FM later this year. The 1240 in Summerside moved to FM a few years back, so the last remaining AMs in PEI will be a pair of very low power (10 watt?) travelers-information stations. True story about the Summerside 1240: when Garrett and I were up there in 1998, we pulled up, took our pictures, and just before we were leaving, a bus full of Japanese tourists also stopped by the side of the road - and THEY started taking pictures of the towers. (PEI is a huge tourism destination for the Japanese, who revere "Anne of Green Gables.") s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 6 11:19:24 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:19:24 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch References: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001301c6a112$db059fe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Yes. CFCY 630 is either gone or about to be. The AM 1240 at the north end of PEI (can't recall the name of the COL) moved to FM several years ago. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: ; "BRI" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: rogerkirk > > To: BRI > > Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch > > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:12:52 -0400 > > > > > > As of 8;05 this am, CHTN (720) Charlottetown was to have morphed in > > to an FM Mike/Jack/Bob/Ed/Barry/Elliot as Ocean 100.3 The slogan is > > an original: "We Play Everything!" > > > > Does this mean P.E.I. is bereft of any AM signals? > I remember getting a signal on 630 khz from the Province but no > other. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 6 11:42:36 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:42:36 -0400 Subject: No Sign Of Life On Sawmill Brook Parkway References: <20060706151612.464D586B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001401c6a112$dbc5e2a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I believe that Scott reported several weeks ago that trailers were on site to house some of the equipment from the building during renovations. I don't know whether he actually saw the trailers or was merely told of their presence, but your report seems to contradict his report--although I could be incorrectly remembering what he said. The building renovations sound umm, interesting. Supposedly, space inside the building will be so tight that the one 50-kW and two 25-kW solid-state transmitters were selected in part on the basis of small footprint. (Earlier, Bob Bittner, who once worked at WUNR, told me that space in the building should not be a problem, especially if there are to be no studios on site.) Remember, the City of Newton has imposed very tight restrictions on the project. The building cannot be enlarged! Anyhow, the reports of a tight squeeze suggest that there is no room for an auxiliary generator or auxiliary transmitters. However, a possible (albeit very expensive) way around that problem might be to dig several sub-basements within the building's existing footprint. However, with the demise of Charles River Broadcasting, another possibility suggests itself. Build an auxiliary site (at least for WKOX and WRCA; WUNR might decide to just take its chances) at 750 South St in Waltham. WRCA's two towers there should work reasonably well as an auxiliary antenna system for WKOX and they obviously work for WRCA. If I'm not mistaken, the address of the WUNR building is 750 SawMill Brook Parkway, Newton. If I'm right, both sites have the same street number (a curious but useless coincidence). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: No Sign Of Life On Sawmill Brook Parkway > I'm taking a few days off this week and happened to be renting a > car for my July IVth trip. Since I had miles to kill on the vehicle > when I got back, I decided to go down to the controversial > tower site on Sawmill Brook Parkway in Newton's Oak Hill section. > The somewhat impressive WUNR-AM 1600 towers are still there, but it > appears that not a single blade of grass has been disturbed on the > property itself. Of course, I can't tell what manner of electronics may > be in the process of being installed in the blockhouse, But apparently > no tower-oriented construction has even begun yet. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:44 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:05:44 -0400 Subject: No Sign Of Life On Sawmill Brook Parkway In-Reply-To: <001401c6a112$dbc5e2a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20060706151612.464D586B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <001401c6a112$dbc5e2a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44AD34D8.4080109@fybush.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > I believe that Scott reported several weeks ago that trailers were on site > to house some of the equipment from the building during renovations. I don't > know whether he actually saw the trailers or was merely told of their > presence, but your report seems to contradict his report--although I could > be incorrectly remembering what he said. I was told by Grady Moates (who engineers WUNR, among other clients) that trailers were going to be brought in. They were not on site when Garrett and I visited with Grady in March, and it seems pretty clear that they haven't been brought in since. I wonder what the delay is? s From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jul 6 12:50:30 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:50:30 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch In-Reply-To: <001301c6a112$db059fe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c6a112$db059fe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060706124834.03450678@mac.com> At 11:19 AM 7/6/2006 7/6/2006, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Yes. CFCY 630 is either gone or about to be. The AM 1240 at the north end of >PEI (can't recall the name of the COL) moved to FM several years ago. The 1240 station was in Summerside. 720 CHTN was the station I could often hear here, now gone to FM also. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jul 6 12:53:41 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:53:41 -0400 Subject: No Sign Of Life On Sawmill Brook Parkway In-Reply-To: <001401c6a112$dbc5e2a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20060706151612.464D586B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <001401c6a112$dbc5e2a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060706125135.034940b0@mac.com> At 11:42 AM 7/6/2006 7/6/2006, Dan Strassberg wrote: >I believe that Scott reported several weeks ago that trailers were on site >to house some of the equipment from the building during renovations. I don't >know whether he actually saw the trailers or was merely told of their >presence, but your report seems to contradict his report--although I could >be incorrectly remembering what he said. > >The building renovations sound umm, interesting. Supposedly, space inside >the building will be so tight that the one 50-kW and two 25-kW solid-state >transmitters were selected in part on the basis of small footprint. >(Earlier, Bob Bittner, who once worked at WUNR, told me that space in the >building should not be a problem, especially if there are to be no studios >on site.) Space might not be a problem, but cooling might be. With that many high-power transmitters in one building, things could get mighty hot if there is not adequate ventilation and cooling. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 6 14:14:54 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:14:54 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060706124834.03450678@mac.com> References: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c6a112$db059fe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.2.20060706124834.03450678@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607061114x32b536b2u5defb6a96bc8775e@mail.gmail.com> I was picking up CHTN faintly a few weeks back on I-95, heading into NH. A click on the CHTN site now brings me to the site of Ocean 100, the new incarnation.. From rogerkola@aol.com Thu Jul 6 18:32:59 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:32:59 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com><000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <002701c6a14c$23399300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Last Resource...I promise! "Berklee Today" Summer 1992 "A Forum for Contemporary Music and Musicians" Page 3 (Berklee Beat) "Joe Smith, president and Chief Executive Officer of Capitol-EMI Music, began his music business career in the 1950s as a top-rated disk jockey for Boston's WMEX radio station. In 1960 he entered the record promotion field, taking a position at Warner Bros. Smith showed a unique ability to spot and promote major talents, including Van Morrison, the Grateful.Dead, James Taylor, the Doobie Brothers, and Seals and Crofts..." From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 6 19:13:34 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:13:34 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com><000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <002701c6a14c$23399300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, he DIDN'T BEGIN at WMEX, and if he said that to whomever wrote the article, he was LYING. He apparently started at WVDA and did a relatively brief stint at WMEX about half a dozen years later. He used the reputation of WMEX under the Richmonds to burnish his credentials, which, except for his involvement in payola, really don't need burnishing. This is an excellent example of what Donna was talking about. Saying something--even if you say it on a page that is referenced by Google--doesn't make it so. Or put another way, yes, and KDKA was the world's first radio station. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Paul B. Currier" ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Joe Smith > Last Resource...I promise! > > "Berklee Today" Summer 1992 > > "A Forum for Contemporary Music and Musicians" > > Page 3 (Berklee Beat) > > "Joe Smith, president and > Chief Executive Officer of > Capitol-EMI Music, began > his music business career in > the 1950s as a top-rated disk > jockey for Boston's WMEX > radio station. In 1960 he entered > the record promotion > field, taking a position at > Warner Bros. Smith showed > a unique ability to spot and > promote major talents, including > Van Morrison, the > Grateful.Dead, James Taylor, > the Doobie Brothers, > and Seals and Crofts..." From mhcoen@csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 1 22:33:24 2006 From: mhcoen@csail.mit.edu (Michael H. Coen) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:33:24 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston Message-ID: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> I've enjoyed the archives of this list for some time, so I'm delighted to have a question to pass on. (Please see the forwarded email below.) Has anyone ever heard of this station? It sounds like it was very cool in its day. Best, Michael Coen (W1MHC) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: J. Forster Date: Jun 30, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [BARC-List] W1XAL from another list To: BARC List Subject: [Boatanchors] W1XAL shortwave station in Boston Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:50:47 -0400 From: "paul mcd." To: Boatanchors@mailman.qth.net I'm looking for anyone who remembers the shortwave station W1XAL in Boston. I'd like to write an article about it. I thought the Boatanchors group would be appropriate since there are a lot of older hams on it. No flames please. I've found out that W1XAL started transmitting on shortwave from 70 Brookline Ave in Boston in 1931. It broadcast educational and cultural programs by professors from Harvard, Tufts, BU, etc. Does anyone have ANY photos/stories/anything about this station back then? In 1936, the antenna (antennas?) were moved to Scituate, MA. In 1939, the station became WRUL. Later it became WNYW, then WYFR. It left Scituate in the 1970's. I'd like any info on W1XAL that I can get. All I have is a photocopy of a QSL card. I'm just amazed that a shortwave station broadcast from inside Boston. (I was born and raised in Boston). Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks. Paul McDonough formerly WA1WYZ Natick, MA _______________________________________________ BARC-List mailing list BARC-List@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/barc-list From hishaun@hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 17:21:13 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:21:13 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: Joe "Jose" Smith worked afternoon and evening shifts at WVDA. He was there during the change in call leters to WEZE ('57 or '58). He then moved to WMEX doing evenings. Not sure about the start time but the program ended at 10:00 and was followed by Jerry Williams. Arnie Ginsburg was at WBOS (1600) at the time and replaced Smith when he moved to WILD. The WILD show ran Sunday thru Friday with the Sunday program dedicated to oldies with the except for one hour given over solely to R&B which was being almost totally ignored on Top 40 radio in Boston. I've always wondered if the response to that hour led to Nelson Noble's hiring of Jimmy "Early" Byrd and Wild Man Steve Gallant not long after Smith left and beginning a format that may be the longest-running in Boston AM radio. Apparently the station-hopping and slot-shifting in Boston were done to accomodate his growing record industry involvement in New York. Any information on that period would be welcome. My memory is that Smith was first president of Elektra records then VP at Warner. During the 70's he seemed to be pretty much the spokesman of the recording industry. Smith's last DJ apppearance was probably the slot he filled during WBZ's 50's weekend in '72 or '73. Shaun Hayes From: Dan Strassberg To: "Donna Halper" , "Boston Radio Interest" Subject: Joe Smith Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:41 PM Early this morning, I happened on Rollye James on WPHT (1210 Philadelphia) doing an interview (apparently live) with long-ago Boston radio personaility (and not quite so long ago record-company exec) Joe Smith. Among the things I learned is that Smith is a Yale alum. I gather that Smith is about my age and is the author of several books about the record business. He sounded just fine. The two Boston stations that James mentioned as places where Smith had worked were WMEX and WILD. I don't recall him on WMEX. What years did he work there? Although I DO remember him on 1260, I don't recall whether it was WVDA or WEZE at the time. I suspect, however, that Air Trails bought 1260 (ex WNAC) from Vic Diehm--and changed the calls to WEZE--before I arrived in Boston around June 1 1956. From hishaun@hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 15:52:25 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:52:25 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My earlier message on this topic seems to have gotten lost. Joe Smith (aka "Jose") was indeed on WMEX (pre-WILD) in the time slot later occupied by Arnie Ginsburg with Jerry Williams following at 10:00. Ginsburg was, I believe, at WBOS at the time. Also, Smith's tenure at 1260 overlapped the change in calls from WVDA to WEZE. The later WILD program ran Sunday thru Friday. The Sunday program was all oldies except for one hour given over to current R & B hits which were almost totally ignored on Top 40 AM in Boston at the time. I wonder if the response to that hour had anything to do with the later hiring of Jimmy "Early" Byrd and Wild Man Steve Gallant and the start of the black-oriented format. Shaun Hayes >>From: "Paul B. Currier" >Subject: Re: Joe Smith >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:45:01 -0400 >I'd have bet the barn that Joe was never on WMEX - still would. Is the >testimony oral or written, ie a typo perhaps? > >Does anyone on the BRI list actually recall hearing Joe on WMEX? > >The wise old Vermonter used to say to believe none of what you hear and >half >of what you see and you'll come out about right. > >Paul >Sandwich > Cape Cod From hishaun@hotmail.com Thu Jul 6 13:20:45 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:20:45 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: My earlier message on this topic seems to have gotten lost. Joe Smith (aka "Jose") was indeed on WMEX (pre-WILD) in the time slot later occupied by Arnie Ginsburg with Jerry Williams following at 10:00. Ginsburg was, I believe, at WBOS at the time. Also, Smith's tenure at 1260 overlapped the change in calls from WVDA to WEZE. The later WILD program ran Sunday thru Friday. The Sunday program was all oldies except for one hour given over to current R & B hits which were almost totally ignored on Top 40 AM in Boston at the time. I wonder if the response to that hour had anything to do with the later hiring of Jimmy "Early" Byrd and Wild Man Steve Gallant and the start of the black-oriented format. Shaun Hayes >>From: "Paul B. Currier" >Subject: Re: Joe Smith >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:45:01 -0400 >I'd have bet the barn that Joe was never on WMEX - still would. Is the >testimony oral or written, ie a typo perhaps? > >Does anyone on the BRI list actually recall hearing Joe on WMEX? > >The wise old Vermonter used to say to believe none of what you hear and >half >of what you see and you'll come out about right. > >Paul >Sandwich > Cape Cod From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 6 21:37:21 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:37:21 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <002701c6a14c$23399300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706213030.02ea11e0@pop.registeredsite.com> At 07:13 PM 7/6/2006 -0400, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Well, he DIDN'T BEGIN at WMEX, and if he said that to whomever wrote the >article, he was LYING. I realise somebody really wants to prove google right, but I doubt it's gonna work in this situation because none of the google citations come from Joe himself. As for the most recent one, I doubt Joe wrote the introduction to whatever event that was-- somebody pulled it together and read it and then it got printed. I've seen this happen often, where some well-meaning person writes an intro for a famous speaker and doesn't check with the speaker first. Usually, the speaker is too polite to humiliate the person introducing them... Anyway, I have a large file of articles by and about Joe Smith, from the Christian Science Monitor, Globe, Herald, and elsewhere. In NONE of them does he say he started at WMEX and in none of them does he even mention working there. He mentions two stations-- first WVDA and then WILD. In a 1989 interview Joe did with Steve Morse of the Boston Globe, for example, he says he started as a d.j. on WVDA, doing a 7 and a half hour a day shift (!) -- which matches the newspaper clippings I've found with radio listings for 1956. He could not have started at WMEX because WMEX did not go top-40 till the Richmond Brothers took over the station from Bill and Al Pote in August of 1957. Joe was already on the air at WVDA. Case closed. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 6 21:51:25 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:51:25 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706214841.02f12a88@pop.registeredsite.com> And if you need more proof that Joe's career didn't start at WMEX (I can't believe we are still debating this...), I am looking directly at an ad from the Fitchburg Sentinel, 18 February 1957, and it says that Joe will be appearing as a guest d.j. at a rock show, starring the G-Clefs, Sabby Lewis, the Heartbeats, the Sophomores, and a bunch of other acts-- oh, and it says Joe is a "WVDA Star." In February of 1957, WMEX was still doing middle-of-the-road and hadn't yet become a pop music station, no matter what google might state... From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 6 22:44:12 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:44:12 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <002701c6a14c$23399300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706223555.02f57338@pop.registeredsite.com> The wire services and newspapers issued a number of stories about the payola hearings in 1960. I am looking at one from the NY Times (21 Feb 1960, p. 68). Among those named in this article-- and the quotes were taken from testimony before the congressional committee-- were Bob Clayton of WHDH-- who basically took nothing and was pretty much acknowledged in the biz as a major straight arrow type; Norman (sic) Prescott of WBZ (who admitted that he DID take payola-- about $10,000 worth), and Joe Smith of WILD, who finally said he got about $8,000 worth of merchandise and assorted gifts from various record companies, but said he never asked for it and told those who offered it that he didn't need it. (According to the article, Smith was making a salary of $117 a week at the time... The article is very specific about the stations each announcer was at, and it states several times that Smith worked at WILD. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 6 22:55:13 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:55:13 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <002701c6a14c$23399300$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706224613.02df0220@pop.registeredsite.com> And one final note on our Joe Smith conversations. According to a long article in the Christian Science Monitor, 3 May 1960 p. 2, after the payola hearings ended, Joe Smith resigned his job at WILD, as did one other name from our past who was also interviewed by the committee-- Stan Richards. The Monitor said WILD management insisted Smith was not fired-- they claimed they were tightening up their format and doing away with the personality d.j.'s and top 40 music. And they said Smith had left the station on his own in April of 1960. Again, I am not saying Joe never worked at WMEX, under an assumed name or temporarily or whatever. I am saying he didn't start there, wasn't there very long, and at the time of the payola hearings, he was still at WILD by every account. And his first top 40 job certainly seems to have been at WVDA. After all the payola hearings and fallout from that, he left Boston and was working on the west coast by sometime in 1961. So there you have it. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 6 23:49:11 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706213030.02ea11e0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44ADA177.2487.483E3E@localhost> On 6 Jul 2006 at 21:37, Donna Halper wrote: > I've seen this happen often, where some well-meaning person writes > an intro for a famous speaker and doesn't check with the speaker > first. Usually, the speaker is too polite to humiliate the person > introducing them... Hah! That reminds me of a story. In March 1966, I was involved in getting Isaac Asimov to speak at UMass. So that I could have some publicity information, at my request, he sent me a brochure with his bio. And it said the number of books he had written (50-something at that time). So when I introduced him to the audience in the Student Union ballroom, I mentioned that number. And in his speech, Asimov said that number was wrong. He admitted that was the number he had given me, but the correct number was now (60-something). I didn't feel humiliated, though. Getting Isaac Asimov to speak at UMass and getting to introduce him was one of the high points of my college years. > In a 1989 interview Joe did with Steve Morse of the Boston Globe, for > example, he says he started as a d.j. on WVDA, doing a 7 and a half > hour a day shift (!) -- which matches the newspaper clippings I've > found with radio listings for 1956. He could not have started at WMEX > because WMEX did not go top-40 till the Richmond Brothers took over > the station from Bill and Al Pote in August of 1957. August? We moved back to the Boston area in May 1957, and I immediately started checking out radio stations, listing which ones I heard. So far as I can remember, WMEX was the "New WMEX" the first time I heard it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 7 00:09:27 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:09:27 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <44ADA177.2487.483E3E@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060706213030.02ea11e0@pop.registeredsite.com> <000701c6a151$d2669940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060707000749.02f9a258@pop.registeredsite.com> >Joe wrote-- >August? We moved back to the Boston area in May 1957, and I >immediately started checking out radio stations, listing which ones I >heard. So far as I can remember, WMEX was the "New WMEX" the first >time I heard it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. No, not at all. The sale went through in August, but it had been in the works since June. I am sure that there were some promos about "the new WMEX" on the air, but by all accounts, nothing really changed format-wise till the Richmond Brothers officially came on board and began putting in more top 40 music, which got some of the middle of the road d.j.'s very upset and they started leaving. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 7 03:13:10 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:13:10 -0400 Subject: Another Canadian AM-to-FM Switch In-Reply-To: <003501c6a141$31a80940$0202a8c0@homec8vofwtxvb> References: <20060706150022.B508186B17@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c6a112$db059fe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.2.20060706124834.03450678@mac.com> <1fbbbced0607061114x32b536b2u5defb6a96bc8775e@mail.gmail.com> <003501c6a141$31a80940$0202a8c0@homec8vofwtxvb> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607070013w1b256682u9504833e571d7960@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/06, saz1953 wrote: > I was in Bar Harbor this weekend and 720 was still on. According to the (former) CHTN site: "The tide of change in radio on Prince Edward Island arrived on Wednesday morning at 8:05!" Maybe they switched off the AM at that time (arrival of the new "Ocean 100") or maybe it's still on but running messages to tell people to tune to the new FM version... From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 7 06:21:51 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:21:51 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002301c6a1af$2f045680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Aah, 70 Brookline Ave. I'm pretty sure that is--or was--the address of some office space in the Fenway Park building. If I've got the correct street number, that's the entrance that led to the WMEX studios and offices on the second floor. The same staircase led to some additional space (also on the second floor). If memory serves, the door was to the left of WMEX's doorway. I don't recall the name of the gentleman whose office and laboratories were behind that door, but Donna surely knows. He was a pioneer in television, dating back into the 1930s. He constructed an operational mechanical-scan TV system. IIRC, the camera used a photocell (probably cadmium-selenide). To do the scanning, he used a rotating disc with rectangular holes cut into it in a spiral pattern. Back in the '60s, I worked at Hewlett-Packard in Waltham and one of the engineers who also worked there was a fellow named Dick Regan. His father had built and put on the air WNBP Newburyport (as a daytimer on 1470). Dick, who was a few years old than me, had memories of going down to the Fenway Park building, as a kid in grammar school or high school, and visiting with the TV pioneer whose name I can't recall. If I'm not mistaken, the call sign W1XAL was on the door into the office/lab space that adjoined the WMEX offices/studios. I always thought that the W1XAL calls had been used for experimental over-the-air transmissions of the mechanical-scan TV. I have no first-hand knowledge that this was actually the case, however. Maybe Donna can supply some of the missing pieces in the story. A possible connection is Tufts University and the Amrad company, which ran a Medfod station with the calls WGI. Donna is the world's leading authority on WGI and Amrad. Although WGI is credited with being the antecedent of the station that is now WTTT, there were also some connections to WMEX (now WWZN). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael H. Coen" To: Cc: "Michael H. Coen" ; Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > I've enjoyed the archives of this list for some time, so I'm delighted > to have a question to pass on. (Please see the forwarded email below.) > > Has anyone ever heard of this station? It sounds like it was very cool > in its day. > > Best, > Michael Coen (W1MHC) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: J. Forster > Date: Jun 30, 2006 7:09 PM > Subject: [BARC-List] W1XAL from another list > To: BARC List > > > Subject: [Boatanchors] W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:50:47 -0400 > From: "paul mcd." > To: Boatanchors@mailman.qth.net > > > I'm looking for anyone who remembers the shortwave station W1XAL in Boston. > I'd like to write an article about it. > > I thought the Boatanchors group would be appropriate since there are a lot > of older hams on it. No flames please. > > I've found out that W1XAL started transmitting on shortwave from 70 > Brookline Ave in Boston in 1931. It broadcast educational and cultural > programs by professors from Harvard, Tufts, BU, etc. > > Does anyone have ANY photos/stories/anything about this station back then? > > In 1936, the antenna (antennas?) were moved to Scituate, MA. > > In 1939, the station became WRUL. Later it became WNYW, then WYFR. It left > Scituate in the 1970's. > > I'd like any info on W1XAL that I can get. All I have is a photocopy of a > QSL card. I'm just amazed that a shortwave station broadcast from inside > Boston. (I was born and raised in Boston). > > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > Thanks. > Paul McDonough > formerly WA1WYZ > Natick, MA > > _______________________________________________ > BARC-List mailing list > BARC-List@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/barc-list > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Jul 7 19:23:42 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:23:42 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com><000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003c01c6a21c$657ccea0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Sorry Guys... I didn't realize that Google had NO VALUE in research and validity as a resource for history. Even though we produced one personal source on the list and one "googlized" resource which stated that Joe Smith held an "afternoon" shift on WMEX in the late 50's, the information must be considered as more than questionable because it isn't "published" or validly (recollection wise)personal. Wait! One resource, Berklee Today, available in original format, was published...umm, therefore all radio history, which isn't documented by the subject, wait... the Berklee Times was said to be an "embellishment" by the "party's" representatives... so...if the actual person doesn't reply (and doesn't "embellish" in the process) then any response to a simple inquiry to the group becomes subject to it's validity... Give me a break...let's post at the beginning of every month, with the list's caveats, that the list will assume that the member asking the question has already used a proper "google" search and question's his/her results. It will save all of us a lot of time trying to ASSIST the ORIGINAL inquisitor, with any leads that are "less than official" in the list members' opinions. Roger WA1KAT (...who didn't jut fall off the turnip truck) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 7 21:18:57 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:18:57 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <003c01c6a21c$657ccea0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060707211111.0911fea0@pop.registeredsite.com> At 07:23 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, Roger Kolakowski wrote: >Sorry Guys... > >I didn't realize that Google had NO VALUE in research and validity as a >resource for history. Not what I said at all-- although for scholars, google isn't considered reliable because it relies on repetition rather than on proof. I have no clue who said X about Joe Smith-- maybe it was a friend, maybe it was Joe himself or a fan or a pal or an enemy-- google doesn't tell me. All information is treated the same, whether it's accurate or whether it's wrong. So if the person who started the story was accurate, we're all in good shape. But if the person was wrong, inaccurate information goes spinning around cyberspace forever. I certainly have found google to be a good first step sometimes-- and I use it that way. But unless I know the reliability of the source material, I don't trust what I find there, since I have no way of guaranteeing that the material cited is authentic. Also, sources that use recollection many years later can be inaccurate without meaning to-- I have no idea where I was on July 7, 1960, for example. Someday, somebody may write my life story (that's a joke) and ask me what I did that day-- I may try to guess, but what if my guess is wrong? I've found that asking old-timers about their career 30 years later can sometimes yield good information and sometimes not. That's my only caveat. Just because it's on google doesn't mean it really happened that way... Oh and as a researcher, I cross-reference newspaper and magazine sources too-- as much as we may want to get quick info, sometimes there is no quick way to make sure it's correct without checking several sources you've found to be reliable in the past. From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 7 22:18:48 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:18:48 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060707211111.0911fea0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <5.1.0.14.2.20060707211111.0911fea0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <44AF1608.1040809@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 07:23 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, Roger Kolakowski wrote: >> Sorry Guys... >> >> I didn't realize that Google had NO VALUE in research and validity as a >> resource for history. > > Not what I said at all-- although for scholars, google isn't considered > reliable because it relies on repetition rather than on proof. If I may jump into this morass... Google itself isn't a source of ANY content at all. It's merely a search engine that locates content posted in various other places on the web. As a result, the content that it returns is only as good (or as bad) as the actual source of said content. I'm much more likely to trust station engineering data I find through Google, for instance, if it's coming from fcc.gov rather than from some local chamber of commerce site that may not have been updated in years (if it was ever correct!) Think of it as content found "through" Google, not "on" Google, and this may make more sense. In this particular instance, I think the question at issue isn't whether or not Joe Smith worked at WMEX in the fifties at all - we've all pretty much agreed that he did - but merely whether or not he started his career there. On that count, there's plenty of room for fuzz. As Donna very astutely observes, memories fade over the years and can be twisted by many outside factors. Nobody but us geeks remembers WVDA these days, but WMEX is a "name brand" classic Boston radio station...so 40 years out, if it's WMEX that sticks in the memory and not WVDA, is that all that surprising? Even less than two decades into my own, far less illustrious, career, I tend to spend a lot more time talking about WBZ (and of course WCAP) than about my short and unmemorable stint at WKOX. s From blaine@well.com Fri Jul 7 23:31:30 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:31:30 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <44AF1608.1040809@fybush.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060704200937.0be62698@pop.registeredsite.com> <000801c6a028$73405610$a7483518@DG07P241> <000c01c6a02c$27793d60$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <001701c6a034$db3401c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <5.1.0.14.2.20060707211111.0911fea0@pop.registeredsite.com> <44AF1608.1040809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <44AF2712.9070804@well.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > On that count, there's plenty of room for fuzz. As Donna very astutely > observes, memories fade over the years and can be twisted by many > outside factors. Broadcasting (like most everything else) is lacking in early history as most thought it would not survive. Academics like Donna perform valuable research and write correct stories based on that research. Unless Donna's last name is really Sokal*, I believe she is authentically doing her research. I have already read her work and find it very valuable and informative. Blaine Thompson P.S. For those unfamiliar with Alan Sokal, check out: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/ - the section about "Social Text Affair" From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 8 01:52:38 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:52:38 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060708014749.02ce7808@pop.registeredsite.com> >Michael wrote-- > >I've found out that W1XAL started transmitting on shortwave from 70 >Brookline Ave in Boston in 1931. It broadcast educational and cultural >programs by professors from Harvard, Tufts, BU, etc. Actually, when it first went on the air, it was at the University Club on Commonwealth Ave in Boston, and had a working agreement with the Christian Science Monitor newspaper to broadcast news and educational programs all over the world. Owner Walter S. Lemmon (who would later put WGCH in Greenwhich CT on the air) was very committed to using shortwave to teach tolerance and promote understanding between cultures, and W1XAL was part of that commitment. In its day, some very important educators, scholars, statesmen, political figures, linguists, and diplomats broadcast from the station. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 8 10:43:25 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:43:25 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060708014749.02ce7808@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <44AF8C4D.20258.49EC27@localhost> On 8 Jul 2006 at 1:52, Donna Halper wrote: > Actually, when it first went on the air, it was at the University Club > on Commonwealth Ave in Boston, and had a working agreement with the > Christian Science Monitor newspaper to broadcast news and educational > programs all over the world. Owner Walter S. Lemmon (who would later > put WGCH in Greenwhich CT on the air) was very committed to using > shortwave to teach tolerance and promote understanding between > cultures, and W1XAL was part of that commitment. In its day, some > very important educators, scholars, statesmen, political figures, > linguists, and diplomats broadcast from the station. There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else fill us in on that one? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jul 8 10:59:43 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> <44AF8C4D.20258.49EC27@localhost> Message-ID: <00f801c6a29f$2638e340$2f01a8c0@pastor2> I remember WRUL from years ago. Your question, Joe, raises a larger one in my mind. I've pretty much lost track of the shortwave world in recent years; I know the VOA still exists (despite the present Administration's desire to see it downsized, if not eliminated), and I know the CBC still has a world service. Other than that, I have the impression that North American SW consists largely of religious and ethnic programming. Am I wrong? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Michael H. Coen" ; ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > On 8 Jul 2006 at 1:52, Donna Halper wrote: > > > Actually, when it first went on the air, it was at the University Club > > on Commonwealth Ave in Boston, and had a working agreement with the > > Christian Science Monitor newspaper to broadcast news and educational > > programs all over the world. Owner Walter S. Lemmon (who would later > > put WGCH in Greenwhich CT on the air) was very committed to using > > shortwave to teach tolerance and promote understanding between > > cultures, and W1XAL was part of that commitment. In its day, some > > very important educators, scholars, statesmen, political figures, > > linguists, and diplomats broadcast from the station. > > There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in > Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the > early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New > York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I > don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else > fill us in on that one? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Jul 8 13:13:14 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:13:14 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: For what it's worth, a documentary video about the history of The Grateful Dead called "Anthem to Beauty" contains a number of segments of interview footage of Joe Smith, mainly talking about what an unruly crew the Dead were in their early days at Warner Brothers in the 60's, the huge (at the time) debt that they ran up for studio time during recording of their second and third very experimental acid-rock studio albums, and then how surprised and overjoyed Warner's was when the Dead unexpectedly changed musical direction in 1970 and came out with the accessible, sparsely produced folk-country-rock style albums "Workingmans Dead" and "American Beauty", which became gold records a few years later. The documentary is available on DVD and VHS on Rhino Records. The interview segments were recorded about ten years ago. Joe looked healthy and well at that time. EP From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 8 15:28:12 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:28:12 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <00f801c6a29f$2638e340$2f01a8c0@pastor2> References: <44A73074.9090802@csail.mit.edu> <44AF8C4D.20258.49EC27@localhost> <00f801c6a29f$2638e340$2f01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060708152351.026256c0@mac.com> At 10:59 AM 7/8/2006, Doug Drown wrote: >I remember WRUL from years ago. > >Your question, Joe, raises a larger one in my mind. I've pretty much lost >track of the shortwave world in recent years; I know the VOA still exists >(despite the present Administration's desire to see it downsized, if not >eliminated), and I know the CBC still has a world service. Other than that, >I have the impression that North American SW consists largely of religious >and ethnic programming. Am I wrong? There are also stations with fringe political programming, such as the one on 7415 from Maine. The shortwave station from Boston that was prominent for many years, but which has not been mentioned in this thread so far, is Monitor Radio, which broadcast from the Christian Science Center on Mass. Ave.. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sat Jul 8 15:33:52 2006 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:33:52 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: <22F7677E.4441AE90.0CE337EB@aol.com> <<<<<>>>>>>> I'm sure Joe would get a kick that we are discussing his job history in such a scholarly manner. . ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From sid@wrko.com Sat Jul 8 15:38:13 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:38:13 -0600 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston Message-ID: >>There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else fill us in on that one?<< Studios were in New York City, transmitter site in Scituate. I haven't been down that way in a while, but some of the towers might still be there. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 8 16:06:28 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:06:28 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <22F7677E.4441AE90.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060708160522.02ccd860@pop.registeredsite.com> >it was said-- > > >I'm sure Joe would get a kick that we are discussing his job history in >such a scholarly manner. And that brings up a great point-- Joe is still alive, at last report. Anybody know him? If so, perhaps he recalls some more about when he worked at various places! But yeah, even the history of radio d.j.s should be compiled accurately. From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 8 22:38:07 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:38:07 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B06C0F.5090309@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in > Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the > early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New > York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I > don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else > fill us in on that one?<< > > Studios were in New York City, transmitter site in Scituate. I haven't > been down that way in a while, but some of the towers might still be > there. I believe the transmitter site's gone now in Scituate. WRUL was a descendant of W1XAL. In its WNYW days, it was owned by Bonneville, with studios shared with WRFM 105.1 at 485 Madison Ave. in NYC, the old CBS building. Around 1976-77, it was sold to Family Radio out of Oakland, which changed the calls to WYFR. I believe it operated briefly as WYFR from Scituate before the transmitters were relocated to Okeechobee, Florida, where they remain today. s From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 8 22:46:35 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:46:35 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B06E0B.7060501@fybush.com> Here's a website with LOTS of information about W1XAL/WRUL/WNYW/WYFR: http://www.northernstar.no/wnyw3.htm From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 07:44:09 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:44:09 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <000a01c6a34c$3d866e20$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000401c6a34c$fe7bb540$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8 Jul 2006 at 1:52, Donna Halper wrote: > > > Actually, when it first went on the air, it was at the University Club > > on Commonwealth Ave in Boston, and had a working agreement with the > > Christian Science Monitor newspaper to broadcast news and educational > > programs all over the world. Owner Walter S. Lemmon (who would later > > put WGCH in Greenwhich CT on the air) was very committed to using > > shortwave to teach tolerance and promote understanding between > > cultures, and W1XAL was part of that commitment. In its day, some > > very important educators, scholars, statesmen, political figures, > > linguists, and diplomats broadcast from the station. > > There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in > Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the > early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New > York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I > don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else > fill us in on that one? I'm fuzzy on the details, but the station -- or at least its license -- wound up being sold to Family Radio, an evangelical outfit based in Oakland, Calif., and the format was switched to 24/7 preaching. Howard From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 9 13:03:59 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:03:59 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <00f801c6a29f$2638e340$2f01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44B0FEBF.27433.5B6B1F@localhost> On 8 Jul 2006 at 10:59, Doug Drown wrote: > Your question, Joe, raises a larger one in my mind. I've pretty much > lost track of the shortwave world in recent years; I know the VOA > still exists (despite the present Administration's desire to see it > downsized, if not eliminated), and I know the CBC still has a world > service. Other than that, I have the impression that North American > SW consists largely of religious and ethnic programming. Am I wrong? Emphasizing the word "largely," I think you're right about US SW programming. Canadian SW includes a number of shortwave repeaters of AM stations, which can still be heard, mostly in the daytime, and the former CBC Northern Service, now known as the Northern Quebec Service, which used to be easy to monitor in the US, but which must be using more directional transmitters now because I can't hear them any more. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 9 13:04:00 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <44B06E0B.7060501@fybush.com> References: Message-ID: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> On 8 Jul 2006 at 22:46, Scott Fybush wrote: > Here's a website with LOTS of information about W1XAL/WRUL/WNYW/WYFR: > > http://www.northernstar.no/wnyw3.htm That's a great site. And it also illustrates Donna's point about info on the Internet not all being accurate. At the end, there's an excert and link to a site about WYFR, in which they claim that the original WRUL included WBOS in Hull, which we know was separate. I believe the company that started W2XAL, Experimenter Publishing of New York, was Hugo Gernsback's company. Gernsback is known as a pioneer in the field of radio and also in the field of science fiction publishing. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 9 12:10:43 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:10:43 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <000a01c6a34c$3d866e20$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <000401c6a34c$fe7bb540$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <014601c6a372$3b7f1020$2f01a8c0@pastor2> Just curious, after having read that the station migrated from Massachusetts to New York to Florida --- what are the FCC's rules regarding change in city of license in regard to shortwave stations? Speaking of being "fuzzy on the details," it seems to me that it's a stretch to trace much of a continuity between a station in Florida and an antecedent station in Boston that existed years ago. (I don't mean to sound snarky; it's just a layman's observation.) - Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > > Joseph Ross wrote: > > > On 8 Jul 2006 at 1:52, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > > Actually, when it first went on the air, it was at the University Club > > > on Commonwealth Ave in Boston, and had a working agreement with the > > > Christian Science Monitor newspaper to broadcast news and educational > > > programs all over the world. Owner Walter S. Lemmon (who would later > > > put WGCH in Greenwhich CT on the air) was very committed to using > > > shortwave to teach tolerance and promote understanding between > > > cultures, and W1XAL was part of that commitment. In its day, some > > > very important educators, scholars, statesmen, political figures, > > > linguists, and diplomats broadcast from the station. > > > > There was another shortwave station that I believe was located in > > Boston at one time called WRUL. I believe it still existed in the > > early 1960s. It eventually was sold and became WNYW -- Radio New > > York Worldwide -- and I actually heard it in that incarnation. I > > don't know what happened to it after that. Can Donna or anyone else > > fill us in on that one? > > I'm fuzzy on the details, but the station -- or at least its license -- > wound up being sold to Family Radio, an evangelical outfit based in Oakland, > Calif., and the format was switched to 24/7 preaching. > > Howard > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 9 14:47:48 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:47:48 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <000a01c6a34c$3d866e20$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <000401c6a34c$fe7bb540$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <014601c6a372$3b7f1020$2f01a8c0@pastor2> <1075.24.24.44.7.1152469512.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> Message-ID: <015801c6a388$2cfdad20$2f01a8c0@pastor2> Scott: Thanks. That's a remarkable story. I wasn't aware of all the "ins and outs," nor of how the FCC comes into the picture in such circumstances. By the way, what were the years of operation of Westinghouse's WBOS? Did it substantially duplicate WBZ-WBZA's programming, or was it an entirely separate operation? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Howard Glazer" ; Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > > Just curious, after having read that the station migrated from > > Massachusetts > > to New York to Florida --- what are the FCC's rules regarding change in > > city > > of license in regard to shortwave stations? Speaking of being "fuzzy on > > the > > details," it seems to me that it's a stretch to trace much of a continuity > > between a station in Florida and an antecedent station in Boston that > > existed years ago. (I don't mean to sound snarky; it's just a layman's > > observation.) - Doug > > I would disagree, strongly. The continuity was in fact very direct - WYFR > never went off the air during the transition from Scituate to Florida, > since it moved only one transmitter at a time. If I read the articles > correctly, there was a period of about two years when the station was > operating partially from Scituate and partially from Okeechobee. Even some > of the poles that supported the wire antennas were moved from > Massachusetts to Florida. And there's a very direct line from WYFR at > Scituate all the way back to W1XAL. > > The FCC has no "city of license" rules for SW stations - as international > broadcasters, they're not supposed to be broadcasting to a domestic > audience, anyway. There have been other examples of SW stations moving > transmitters in more recent years, with the FCC's blessing. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 9 14:25:12 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <014601c6a372$3b7f1020$2f01a8c0@pastor2> References: <000a01c6a34c$3d866e20$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <000401c6a34c$fe7bb540$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <014601c6a372$3b7f1020$2f01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <1075.24.24.44.7.1152469512.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> > Just curious, after having read that the station migrated from > Massachusetts > to New York to Florida --- what are the FCC's rules regarding change in > city > of license in regard to shortwave stations? Speaking of being "fuzzy on > the > details," it seems to me that it's a stretch to trace much of a continuity > between a station in Florida and an antecedent station in Boston that > existed years ago. (I don't mean to sound snarky; it's just a layman's > observation.) - Doug I would disagree, strongly. The continuity was in fact very direct - WYFR never went off the air during the transition from Scituate to Florida, since it moved only one transmitter at a time. If I read the articles correctly, there was a period of about two years when the station was operating partially from Scituate and partially from Okeechobee. Even some of the poles that supported the wire antennas were moved from Massachusetts to Florida. And there's a very direct line from WYFR at Scituate all the way back to W1XAL. The FCC has no "city of license" rules for SW stations - as international broadcasters, they're not supposed to be broadcasting to a domestic audience, anyway. There have been other examples of SW stations moving transmitters in more recent years, with the FCC's blessing. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 9 15:16:20 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> References: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> Message-ID: <1235.24.24.44.7.1152472580.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> > On 8 Jul 2006 at 22:46, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> Here's a website with LOTS of information about W1XAL/WRUL/WNYW/WYFR: >> >> http://www.northernstar.no/wnyw3.htm > > That's a great site. And it also illustrates Donna's point about > info on the Internet not all being accurate. At the end, there's an > excert and link to a site about WYFR, in which they claim that the > original WRUL included WBOS in Hull, which we know was separate. There's a grain of truth to that. After WBOS was shut down in 1953, its transmitting equipment was sold to WRUL and moved from Hull to Scituate. But to say that WRUL therefore "included" WBOS would be like saying that WBIX 1060 "includes" WRKO because it uses RKO's old transmitter. To answer the question about the WBOS timeline, it's my understanding that shortwave operations at Hull began in 1940, with equipment moved from KDKA in Pittsburgh. I believe the original programming was primarily a simulcast of WBZ's mediumwave programming. Once the US was involved in the war, the government took control of the private shortwave stations around the country, but Westinghouse continued to produce at least some of the programming for WBOS under contract. I was told once that some WBZ staffers were involved in producing Spanish-language newscasts that were broadcast over WBOS in the late forties or early fifties. When the last government contract ended in 1953, Westinghouse shut down WBOS for good. I have in my files the telegram from Westinghouse corporate directing the transmitters to be shut down. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 9 20:33:24 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:33:24 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <1235.24.24.44.7.1152472580.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> References: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709202521.02b9de80@pop.registeredsite.com> And WRUL did not open up a New York studio till February of 1942, operating one at 630 5th Avenue, according to the Christian Science Monitor. The new studio would enable WRUL to do live interviews from either city, whenever. newsmakers were available. The 70 Brookline Avenue timeline is a bit more confusing for me-- the Monitor and the Boston City Directory kept saying that WRUL was located at 133 Commonweath Ave-- in fact, when the government finally decided to give Walter S. Lemmon back his radio station, the re-dedication ceremony was held at 133 Comm Ave (see Christian Science Monitor, 28 February 1947, p4). SO, does anybody have a reliable date for the 70 Brookline Ave address? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 9 22:26:31 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:26:31 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <000801c6a3c6$136b77a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20060709202521.02b9de80@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709222311.02e58d58@pop.registeredsite.com> At 10:10 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, Roger wrote: >"I cannot verify the following information as I have no personal knowledge >of the original event" ;-) > >An ad in the MIT Tech newspaper indicating an open house for the members of >the MIT Radio Society in 1938 at 70 Brookline Ave. Actually, both MIT and Harvard have some of their newspaper archives on line and they are usually pretty accurate about names and places at least! WNAC and the Yankee Network were over at 21 Brookline Ave at that point... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 9 23:02:35 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:02:35 -0400 Subject: WRIB thrown off by the "F.C.C." (new owners) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607092002n1b37ebdandb0f6b9aa49b99b1@mail.gmail.com> Looks like the F.C.C. has thrown WRIB's staffers out of the facility and it's gone dark. No, not the federal agency... but the Faith Christian Center, new owners... http://www.wrib.com/ "... on the advice of church attorneys WRIB would be shut down and closed indefinitely while new owners constructed new studios. And NONE would be invited back for the future grand re-opening. This meant that many long time broadcasters were unceremoniously shown the door with no chance of even saying "goodbye" to their loyal listeners." From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 9 23:10:40 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:10:40 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <000801c6a3c6$136b77a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> <44B0FEC0.1425.5B70CB@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20060709202521.02b9de80@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709225933.02e6a960@pop.registeredsite.com> Well, maybe the station had several offices or locations or studios around town-- I just found a 29 March 1935 article that said W1XAL had an office at 70 Brookline Ave... that might not have been so unusual for a station that was known for doing educational broadcasts-- according to the article, 70 Brookline Ave was also home to at least one organization that offered adult ed and certificate progams to students (The Massachusetts University Extension Service). Years later, in the WMEX days, it was a pretty grimy little location. But maybe in the 30s, it was affordable office space for non-profits... From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 9 23:17:18 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:17:18 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231227.02e535e0@pop.registeredsite.com> And even more confusing if we are trying to establish some correct locations and correct dates, I found a late 1931 NY Times article which lumps W1XAL in with Hollis Baird's experimental TV station, W1XAV -- and says both are operating from studios at 70 Brookline Ave (29 November 1931, section X, p. 7). And yet... and yet, the Christian Science Monitor, which provided newspeople and speakers to W1XAL and then to WRUL, seldom if ever gave the 70 Brookline Ave address, nor was it on the newspaper ads or programs I have from the station... The Monitor was very specific about events that occurred at the Commonwealth Avenue address. So perhaps Walter S. Lemmon had several studio locations in Boston? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 9 23:21:05 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:21:05 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231802.02e4e5c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Now, according to the notice of the annual meeting of the Christian Science Church, (C.S. Monitor, 8 June 1936, p16) some speeches were going to be broadcast, and tours of W1XAL would be offered. The ad said that the station's studios were at the University Club, and the transmitter (!) was at 70 Brookline Ave. From rogerkola@aol.com Sun Jul 9 23:28:01 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:28:01 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231227.02e535e0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <002a01c6a3d0$d99b5a80$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "Pure Speculation, not for historical purposes" The 1938 article in the MIT Tech newspaper indicating an open house for the members of the MIT Radio Society at W1XA and W1XAL at 70 Brookline Ave. was VERY specific as to the limited space available for a meeting at that address...perhaps it was just the local transmitting studio with a remote "down the street"? http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_058/TECH_V058_S0031_P004.pdf Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > And even more confusing if we are trying to establish some correct > locations and correct dates, I found a late 1931 NY Times article which > lumps W1XAL in with Hollis Baird's experimental TV station, W1XAV -- and > says both are operating from studios at 70 Brookline Ave (29 November 1931, > section X, p. 7). And yet... and yet, the Christian Science Monitor, which > provided newspeople and speakers to W1XAL and then to WRUL, seldom if ever > gave the 70 Brookline Ave address, nor was it on the newspaper ads or > programs I have from the station... The Monitor was very specific about > events that occurred at the Commonwealth Avenue address. So perhaps Walter > S. Lemmon had several studio locations in Boston? > > From rogerkola@aol.com Sun Jul 9 23:28:20 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:28:20 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231227.02e535e0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <002b01c6a3d0$e4d61c00$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "Pure Speculation, not for historical purposes" The 1938 article in the MIT Tech newspaper indicating an open house for the members of the MIT Radio Society at W1XA and W1XAL at 70 Brookline Ave. was VERY specific as to the limited space available for a meeting at that address...perhaps it was just the local transmitting studio with a remote "down the street"? http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_058/TECH_V058_S0031_P004.pdf Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > And even more confusing if we are trying to establish some correct > locations and correct dates, I found a late 1931 NY Times article which > lumps W1XAL in with Hollis Baird's experimental TV station, W1XAV -- and > says both are operating from studios at 70 Brookline Ave (29 November 1931, > section X, p. 7). And yet... and yet, the Christian Science Monitor, which > provided newspeople and speakers to W1XAL and then to WRUL, seldom if ever > gave the 70 Brookline Ave address, nor was it on the newspaper ads or > programs I have from the station... The Monitor was very specific about > events that occurred at the Commonwealth Avenue address. So perhaps Walter > S. Lemmon had several studio locations in Boston? > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 9 23:35:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:35:29 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231802.02e4e5c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <44B192C1.28059.65A143@localhost> On 9 Jul 2006 at 23:21, Donna Halper wrote: > Now, according to the notice of the annual meeting of the Christian > Science Church, (C.S. Monitor, 8 June 1936, p16) some speeches were > going to be broadcast, and tours of W1XAL would be offered. The ad > said that the station's studios were at the University Club, and the > transmitter (!) was at 70 Brookline Ave. Which may prove only that newspaper reporters didn't get it right in those days any more often than they do now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hishaun@hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 14:36:00 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith Message-ID: Scott Fybush wrote: >In this particular instance, I think the question at issue isn't whether or >not Joe Smith worked at >WMEX in the fifties at all - we've all pretty much >agreed that he did - but merely whether or not >he started his career >there. > >On that count, there's plenty of room for fuzz. As Donna very astutely >observes, memories fade >over the years and can be twisted by many outside >factors. Nobody but us geeks remembers >WVDA these days, but WMEX is a >"name brand" classic Boston radio station...so 40 years out, if it's >WMEX >that sticks in the memory and not WVDA, is that all that surprising? Actually, the "name brand" here is Joe Smith who was the top R&R DJ in Boston during his WVDA years. There are artifacts from the period that could help settle the issue. I once saw a Joe Smith pin-back button in the Record Exchange in Salem, MA and I have the remains of a Joe Smith Record Bargain coupon book. Both are clearly labeled WVDA and have that early-days look that would precede WMEX entry into Top Forty. Given the role of small stations in popularizing R&R it seems strange to deny the label "classic Boston radio station" to outlets like WVDA, WCOP, and WHIL. Those last two issued weekly surveys for years that were distribued to record stores throughout Greater Boston; something that late-comer WMEX never did. BTW, at WMEX Smith did only an evening show, never an afternoon shift. Why isn't there a Boston Museum of Broadcasting to collect research into Boston radio history and its historical artifacts? Determining where a major figure like Joe Smith was at a given time just shouldn't be this hard. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 10 06:53:27 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:53:27 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231227.02e535e0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000d01c6a40f$2abe0a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Donna: If you recall my original posting in this thread, I said that the door to the WMEX studios/offices at 70 Brookline Ave was adjacent to a door that (I thought--incorrectly) had the W1XAL calls on it. I now assume that the calls on the second door were W1XAV. As I reported in the earlier posting, I later worked with an engineer who, as a boy, had visited the experimental TV facilities at 70 Brookline Ave. When I wrote my original posting, I did not recall the name Hollis Baird, but now that I've read it, I believe that was the name of the gentleman that my former coworker said he visited at 70 Brookline Ave. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kolakowski" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston > And even more confusing if we are trying to establish some correct > locations and correct dates, I found a late 1931 NY Times article which > lumps W1XAL in with Hollis Baird's experimental TV station, W1XAV -- and > says both are operating from studios at 70 Brookline Ave (29 November 1931, > section X, p. 7). And yet... and yet, the Christian Science Monitor, which > provided newspeople and speakers to W1XAL and then to WRUL, seldom if ever > gave the 70 Brookline Ave address, nor was it on the newspaper ads or > programs I have from the station... The Monitor was very specific about > events that occurred at the Commonwealth Avenue address. So perhaps Walter > S. Lemmon had several studio locations in Boston? > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 10 12:17:55 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:17:55 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <000d01c6a40f$2abe0a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060709231227.02e535e0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060710121325.02e9fc10@pop.registeredsite.com> At 06:53 AM 7/10/2006 -0400, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Donna: If you recall my original posting in this thread, I said that the >door to the WMEX studios/offices at 70 Brookline Ave was adjacent to a door >that (I thought--incorrectly) had the W1XAL calls on it. I now assume that >the calls on the second door were W1XAV. Yeah, that was where Shortwave and Television (later General Television) did some early TV experiments. In fact, the late great Big Brother Bob Emery was a TV star in February 1930, as I recall-- an hour of his show was telecast. Few people saw it, but it was still pretty amazing. Btw, Hollis Baird was the co-founder. The other guy was Avigdor "Vic" Morgan, who later put WLYN on the air in 1947. The grandson of Vic Morgan is Prof. Michael Morgan, out at U.Mass/Amherst where I am getting my PhD. I have an article somewhere on an early TV website about the first of the early (mechanical) TV stations, W1XAY. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 10 12:55:57 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:55:57 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060710124423.02eea2c0@pop.registeredsite.com> >Shaun wrote-- > >Why isn't there a Boston Museum of Broadcasting to collect research into >Boston radio history and its historical artifacts? Determining where a major >figure like Joe Smith was at a given time just shouldn't be this hard. There have been plans off and on for such a museum, but funding is the issue. Scott, Dan, Garrett, Peter, myself and others do this research as a labour of love. I pay large sums out of my own pocket for databases and to buy up memorabilia, and I am not the only one who does. But what makes it difficult to find dates of major figures is that (a) due media consolidation, few stations are owned by the same people anymore,and the new people often have no respect for the heritage of their station, and (b) even those folks who do have respect did not always think to preserve some of the now-rare memorabilia. What I have found at flea markets amazes me-- forget looking for stuff on ebay (where you can find people charging outrageous sums of cash for old magazines and photos); I mean I've found old photos just lying around in the sun about to be thrown away because the people getting rid of them had no clue who these folks were or why they were important. But that's the problem in a nutshell. There is no one central repository of top 40 information in most cities, and Boston is no exception. The museums that do exist (like the Museum of Broadcasting) are much more interested in video than in audio, and many exhibits are about the great TV shows of the 50s and 60s. The history of top 40 radio and the great d.j.'s? Well, not so much. So we are restricted to what we can find, as well as to what the newspapers and magazines wrote about. That is made more complicated by the fact that the print media of the 50s hated rock music. I am friends with, and dearly love, Bill Buchanan-- one of the nicest human beings who ever lived. He was the radio columnist for the old Boston Daily Record and later the Globe. But back then he was among the many Boston critics who despised the new pop music-- they all came from the Big Band era, and thought rock was noise. Bill wrote endless columns about how awful rock music and rock d.j.'s were. Most newspapers, however, just ignored rock stations entirely. And reclusive owners like Mac Richmond didn't even send the daily listings of shows and d.j.'s to the newspapers-- perhaps because he fired so many of the d.j.'s so frequently, but also because the rock stations and the local newspapers were such adversaries. I'd love to compile an accurate listing of who was where and when they were there. I'm trying my best to do that, as are the others who maintain the Boston Radio Archives. But it's not an easy task, given how scarce the information and the artifacts are. From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Jul 10 18:01:40 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:01:40 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060710124423.02eea2c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000c01c6a46c$6eeeba00$0200a8c0@Tanguray> "IMHO" It would seem that MIT, with it's technology support base, "continuous learning" (not just a 4 year student cycle), and the long time existence of the MIT Radio Society (back to the 30's at least), combined with the typical sprawling buildings that a century old city campus provides, would be an ideal location for a "display museum." Maybe not the final project for an engineer, but more for an "engineering historian," the challenge would be upkeep, maintenance and rotation of displays behind locked glass cases. A computer on location might allow access to current databases and research. MIT allows "non-students" to join the MRS and perhaps an affiliation with the RCA could be explored (Boston Chapter Style.) Just a thought.... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Shaun Hayes" ; Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Joe Smith > > >Shaun wrote-- > > > >Why isn't there a Boston Museum of Broadcasting to collect research into > >Boston radio history and its historical artifacts? Determining where a major > >figure like Joe Smith was at a given time just shouldn't be this hard. > > There have been plans off and on for such a museum, but funding is the > issue. Scott, Dan, Garrett, Peter, myself and others do this research as a > labour of love. I pay large sums out of my own pocket for databases and to > buy up memorabilia, and I am not the only one who does. But what makes it > difficult to find dates of major figures is that (a) due media > consolidation, few stations are owned by the same people anymore,and the > new people often have no respect for the heritage of their station, and (b) > even those folks who do have respect did not always think to preserve some > of the now-rare memorabilia. What I have found at flea markets amazes me-- > forget looking for stuff on ebay (where you can find people charging > outrageous sums of cash for old magazines and photos); I mean I've found > old photos just lying around in the sun about to be thrown away because the > people getting rid of them had no clue who these folks were or why they > were important. > > But that's the problem in a nutshell. There is no one central repository > of top 40 information in most cities, and Boston is no exception. The > museums that do exist (like the Museum of Broadcasting) are much more > interested in video than in audio, and many exhibits are about the great TV > shows of the 50s and 60s. The history of top 40 radio and the great > d.j.'s? Well, not so much. So we are restricted to what we can find, as > well as to what the newspapers and magazines wrote about. That is made > more complicated by the fact that the print media of the 50s hated rock > music. I am friends with, and dearly love, Bill Buchanan-- one of the > nicest human beings who ever lived. He was the radio columnist for the old > Boston Daily Record and later the Globe. But back then he was among the > many Boston critics who despised the new pop music-- they all came from the > Big Band era, and thought rock was noise. Bill wrote endless columns about > how awful rock music and rock d.j.'s were. Most newspapers, however, just > ignored rock stations entirely. And reclusive owners like Mac Richmond > didn't even send the daily listings of shows and d.j.'s to the newspapers-- > perhaps because he fired so many of the d.j.'s so frequently, but also > because the rock stations and the local newspapers were such adversaries. > > I'd love to compile an accurate listing of who was where and when they were > there. I'm trying my best to do that, as are the others who maintain the > Boston Radio Archives. But it's not an easy task, given how scarce the > information and the artifacts are. > > From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Jul 10 18:04:34 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: CBS did not broadcast 4th of July in high def Message-ID: <027801c6a46c$d423ff70$6500a8c0@Office> What a disappointment! CBS-4 did NOT broadcast the Pops or the fireworks in High Def. I didn't expect the local portion but certainly expected the national part to be in HD. Jeers to CBS -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 10 22:24:35 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:24:35 -0400 Subject: Joe Smith In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060710124423.02eea2c0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <44B2D3A3.4655.3A2685@localhost> On 10 Jul 2006 at 12:55, Donna Halper wrote: > I am friends with, and dearly love, Bill Buchanan-- one of the > nicest human beings who ever lived. He was the radio columnist for > the old Boston Daily Record and later the Globe. But back then he > was among the many Boston critics who despised the new pop music-- > they all came from the Big Band era, and thought rock was noise. > Bill wrote endless columns about how awful rock music and rock > d.j.'s were. Ah yes, I remember them! I used to enjoy reading his column because he seemed to be the only one writing about radio. But every so often, he would come out with a diatribe about rock & roll. He particularly liked to expose the real names of DJs. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jul 10 23:25:33 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:25:33 -0400 Subject: CBS did not broadcast 4th of July in high def In-Reply-To: <027801c6a46c$d423ff70$6500a8c0@Office> References: <027801c6a46c$d423ff70$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: At 6:04 PM -0400 7/10/06, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: >What a disappointment! CBS-4 did NOT broadcast the Pops or the fireworks >in High Def. I didn't expect the local portion but certainly expected the >national part to be in HD. Do they even own any hi-def cameras, or have hi-def production facilities? While the network probably does in NY and LA, I doubt the local station has any. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jul 10 23:04:34 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:04:34 -0400 Subject: W1XAL shortwave station in Boston In-Reply-To: <1075.24.24.44.7.1152469512.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> References: <000a01c6a34c$3d866e20$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <000401c6a34c$fe7bb540$bb804c0c@oemcomputer> <014601c6a372$3b7f1020$2f01a8c0@pastor2> <1075.24.24.44.7.1152469512.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> Message-ID: At 2:25 PM -0400 7/9/06, Scott Fybush wrote: > >The FCC has no "city of license" rules for SW stations - as international >broadcasters, they're not supposed to be broadcasting to a domestic >audience, anyway. There have been other examples of SW stations moving >transmitters in more recent years, with the FCC's blessing. And some SW stations have or had multiple transmitter sites in different parts of the country. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 11 00:28:32 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:28:32 -0400 Subject: CBS did not broadcast 4th of July in high def In-Reply-To: References: <027801c6a46c$d423ff70$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <44B328F0.2000709@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 6:04 PM -0400 7/10/06, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > >> What a disappointment! CBS-4 did NOT broadcast the Pops or the >> fireworks >> in High Def. I didn't expect the local portion but certainly >> expected the >> national part to be in HD. > > Do they even own any hi-def cameras, or have hi-def production > facilities? While the network probably does in NY and LA, I doubt the > local station has any. Yes, but this was a network production, wasn't it? Boston's slowly slipping behind the curve when it comes to local HD. I now count about a dozen stations around the country (mostly owned by Gannett and Cox) doing local news in HD. I've heard nothing about any Boston stations planning to join those ranks. The only one I've had a chance to see - and that only briefly - is ABC's KABC-TV in LA. It's absolutely spectacular, and it even looks better on standard-def, if only because doing HD right requires so much attention to lighting, set design, graphics and so on. s From bobbieflowers12@comcast.net Mon Jul 10 13:49:33 2006 From: bobbieflowers12@comcast.net (Bobbie) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:49:33 -0700 Subject: WRUL programming 1951-52 Message-ID: <44B2932D.5070408@comcast.net> Nobody has mentioned the WRUL programming when they were in the Commonwealth Avenue brownstone, or their sign off theme ("Going Home") from Antonin Dvorak's "The New World" symphony. The 45-minute (maybe one hour on that frequency window) broadcast in fifteen minute segments (news, stock reports, light classical music, features, etc.) for a worldwide audience in 1951-52 preceded the religious format. That was the fun of watching them produce the broadcast in the one large studio (with fireplace, it was a reception hall or library) with turntables, floor stand mics and desk mics, heavily draped walls and window curtains and oriental carpets. The little observation booth with a double glass window was a perfect place for me to watch after high school classes in the afternoon, perhaps it was for sponsors to see a broadcast? Who bought WRUL advertising time? I recall (Donna?) they flew a large WRUL banner flag on a pole from the second floor and the little brass plaque next to the front door with "WRUL International" engraved on it. Ah, the memories linger on! =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From songbook2@comcast.net Mon Jul 10 22:19:24 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:19:24 -0700 Subject: WRUL programming Message-ID: <44B30AAC.3060104@comcast.net> Nobody has mentioned the WRUL programming when they were in the Commonwealth Avenue brownstone, or their sign off theme ("Going Home") from Antonin Dvorak's "The New World" symphony. The 45-minute (maybe one hour on that frequency window) broadcast in fifteen minute segments (news, stock reports, light classical music, features, etc.) for a worldwide audience in 1951-52 preceded the religious format. That was the fun of watching them produce the broadcast in the one large studio (with fireplace, it was a reception hall or library) with turntables, floor stand mics and desk mics, heavily draped walls and window curtains and oriental carpets. The little observation booth with a double glass window was a perfect place for me to watch after high school classes in the afternoon, perhaps it was for sponsors to see a broadcast? Who bought WRUL advertising time? I recall (Donna?) they flew a large WRUL banner flag on a pole from the second floor and the little brass plaque next to the front door with "WRUL International" engraved on it. Ah, the memories linger on! =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 23:57:20 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re WMFP Channel 62 Message-ID: <20060711035720.3040.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>>> From NERW And Shop at Home's WMFP (Channel 62) has its DTV facility, on channel 18 .... Channel 62 went to JewelryTV for a about three weeks, but now I'm seeing, a I type this, Shop@HomeTV once again. Has Shop@home been given new life?? John B Derry NH From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 11 14:07:12 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:07:12 -0400 Subject: Re WMFP Channel 62 References: <20060711035720.3040.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c6a514$d65288e0$20854c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Bolduc To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re WMFP Channel 62 > >>>> From NERW And Shop at Home's WMFP (Channel 62) has its DTV facility, > on channel 18 .... > > Channel 62 went to JewelryTV for a about three weeks, but now I'm seeing, > a I type this, Shop@HomeTV once again. Has Shop@home been given new > life?? > > John B > Derry NH > WSAH (Channel 43) here in Connecticut has gone to a split JewelryTV/Shop@Home format. I believe the JewelryTV folks now own Shop@Home, or at least the rights to its name. A real disappointment for me, as I'd hoped WSAH might actually have to air something entertaining or informative. As I recall, the original license for the station was issued to a group that hoped to put a Jewish-oriented station on the air, but by the time it signed on, the programming was 100% shopping. Speaking of alternative programming, any word yet on what Channel 38 is going to be airing after UPN goes dark? I don't recall seeing anything about WSBK on the list since shortly after the original announcement of the creation of the CW. Howard Howard From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 11 22:51:17 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:51:17 -0400 Subject: CBS did not broadcast 4th of July in high def In-Reply-To: <44B328F0.2000709@fybush.com> References: Message-ID: <44B42B65.21613.3A35CB@localhost> On 11 Jul 2006 at 0:28, Scott Fybush wrote: > Boston's slowly slipping behind the curve when it comes to local HD. I > now count about a dozen stations around the country (mostly owned by > Gannett and Cox) doing local news in HD. I've heard nothing about any > Boston stations planning to join those ranks. As I recall, when color TV came out, it was initially only a network phenomenon (and only one network at that -- NBC). Local color took quite a few years to take hold. In Boston, WHDH-TV channel 5 did local color when it came on in 1957. I don't know when the other stations started doing it. But I believe Red Sox games were still in B&W. Even network news didn't go color until around the mid-1960s. So I imagine the same thing will be true of HDTV. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From songbook2@comcast.net Tue Jul 11 20:09:26 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:09:26 -0700 Subject: Classical web listeners Message-ID: <44B43DB6.2090507@comcast.net> With the pending loss of the WCRB "classical" format, the RAIN newsletter today (Tuesday, July 11th), perhaps this article will be of interest: "A look at ClassicalTexas.com, a site devoted to streaming audio and information for classical music fans increasingly alienated by the move of classical programming off of the terrestrial radio dial." Daily archives are available free at www.kurthanson.com Their Radio and Internet Newsletter tracks online broadcasters developments every day - a free subscription. (Disclaimer applies) =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net www.bostonpete.com/russ SONGBOOK AMERICA From cohasset@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 12 08:08:00 2006 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:08:00 +0000 Subject: CBS did not broadcast 4th of July in high def In-Reply-To: <44B42B65.21613.3A35CB@localhost> References: <44B42B65.21613.3A35CB@localhost> Message-ID: <44B4E620.9020408@frontiernet.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Local color took > quite a few years to take hold. In Boston, WHDH-TV channel 5 did > local color when it came on in 1957. I don't know when the other > stations started doing it. Local color at WBZ-TV in 1966 was still fairly primitive; as I recall, we had two very large (RCA?) cameras for a limited number of local originations, and it took an hour or so of set-up work by the camera crew before the evening news to get flesh tones anywhere near similar on the two cameras. The control room itself was still not totally compatible with color -- one of the upgrades we were working on was proper synchronization when switching from one color source to another. Bud Hippisley From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:56:27 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:27 -0400 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> Word has it in Cleveland that ESPN is trying to wind up on a 24/7 signal, and that might be the 1260 there (WWMK) which is currently Radio Disney (by co-incidence, so is our Radio Disney station, WMKI 1260). They may feel that ESPN would be more profitable than children's programming. While ESPN is currently at 890 and 1400 here (owned by J Sports), I wonder if they may pull it and put it on 1260? From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Jul 13 14:00:39 2006 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:00:39 -0400 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8a4affde16b30bf265dc1ec7f98f3301@comcast.net> It's possible, but unlikely at this point. ABC decided to keep their Radio Disney O&O's along with their ESPN Radio affiliates when they sold off their other properties. I doubt they're giving up on the Mouse. Right now ABC has 24/7 clearance for ESPN Radio in Boston, despite 890's signal issues in the 'burbs. That alone should keep their national advertisers happy. There would be no real reason to switch. However, with Jessamy Tang running WAMG into the ground before it ever got started and WWZN on life support--ABC could revisit the issue if both 890 and 1510 ditch sports down the line, which could happen sooner rather than later. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Word has it in Cleveland that ESPN is trying to wind up on a 24/7 > signal, and that might be the 1260 there (WWMK) which is currently > Radio Disney (by co-incidence, so is our Radio Disney station, WMKI > 1260). They may feel that ESPN would be more profitable than > children's programming. While ESPN is currently at 890 and 1400 here > (owned by J Sports), I wonder if they may pull it and put it on 1260? > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 15:45:39 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:45:39 -0400 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? In-Reply-To: <8a4affde16b30bf265dc1ec7f98f3301@comcast.net> References: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> <8a4affde16b30bf265dc1ec7f98f3301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607131245p7c017af3lc6fd5b90c7b13eaa@mail.gmail.com> Good point. I will say 1260's signal is better than that of 890/1400. If ESPN did move to 1260, Radio Disney could turn up at 890/1400 or maybe even 1510 if Sporting News Radio goes out of biz. Yes the national advertisers are happy but how about the local ones? ESPN at 1260 could hire Felger to do his afternoon show, on a stronger signal...Anyway, it appears to be happening in Cleveland and I wonder if it'll happen here. by the way, some format similarities in Boston and Cleveland: 850: Sports (WEEI Boston, WKNR Cleveland) 99.5: Country (WKLB Lowell, WGAR Cleveland) 1260: Radio Disney (WMKI Boston, WWMK Cleveland) 89.7: Public (WGBH Boston, WKSU Kent OH) 100.7: Rock (WZLX Boston, WMMS Cleveland) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 13 16:06:15 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:06:15 -0400 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? References: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com><8a4affde16b30bf265dc1ec7f98f3301@comcast.net> <1fbbbced0607131245p7c017af3lc6fd5b90c7b13eaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c6a6b7$d54a9a60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Maybe WMKI has a better signal than WAMG/WLLH where YOU live, but that sure isn't the case where I live. I do think, though, that 890 would make a better signal for Radio Disney than 1260 does because 890 covers the affluent MetroWest area and 1260 does not do so to any meaningful extent. The 890 coverage area must include much more of Radio Disney's target audience than does the 1260 coverage area, which at night primarily includes only the cities of Boston and Quincy and a number of communities along the North Shore. During the daytime, you can add additional communities in the South Shore, some of which (Hingham, for example) are quite affluent. WAMG holds a CP to increase its night power from 3.4 kW to 6 kW and modify its night pattern. This is not a huge change. According to the consulting enginer on the project, the change would consist mainly of replacing some components in the night phasor. The phasor itself would not be replaced. The population served at night would increase significantly. The question in my mind is whether Jessamy will spring for the money for the job (probably less than $100k). Given that she is reported to ration individual sheets of writing paper to staff members, $100k sounds WAY out of her league. It would be a shame if this CP were not built, but even with 3.4 kW, the night reception here in Arlington Heights is quite acceptable on nearly all nights. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "David Tomm" ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Could we see ESPN 1260? > Good point. I will say 1260's signal is better than that of 890/1400. > If ESPN did move to 1260, Radio Disney could turn up at 890/1400 or > maybe even 1510 if Sporting News > Radio goes out of biz. > > Yes the national advertisers are happy but how about the local ones? > ESPN at 1260 > could hire Felger to do his afternoon show, on a stronger > signal...Anyway, it appears to be happening in Cleveland and I wonder > if it'll happen here. > > by the way, some format similarities in Boston and Cleveland: > > 850: Sports (WEEI Boston, WKNR Cleveland) > 99.5: Country (WKLB Lowell, WGAR Cleveland) > 1260: Radio Disney (WMKI Boston, WWMK Cleveland) > 89.7: Public (WGBH Boston, WKSU Kent OH) > 100.7: Rock (WZLX Boston, WMMS Cleveland) From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jul 13 17:56:23 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:56:23 -0500 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? Message-ID: <20060713215624.13D19CA073@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "David Tomm" , raccoonradio@gmail.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Could we see ESPN 1260? > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:45:39 -0400 > > > Good point. I will say 1260's signal is better than that of 890/1400. > If ESPN did move to 1260, Radio Disney could turn up at 890/1400 or > maybe even 1510 if Sporting News > Radio goes out of biz. > > Yes the national advertisers are happy but how about the local ones? > ESPN at 1260 > could hire Felger to do his afternoon show, on a stronger > signal...Anyway, it appears to be happening in Cleveland and I wonder > if it'll happen here. > > by the way, some format similarities in Boston and Cleveland: > > 850: Sports (WEEI Boston, WKNR Cleveland) > 99.5: Country (WKLB Lowell, WGAR Cleveland) > 1260: Radio Disney (WMKI Boston, WWMK Cleveland) > 89.7: Public (WGBH Boston, WKSU Kent OH) > 100.7: Rock (WZLX Boston, WMMS Cleveland) Now if 104.9 were still WBOQ classical, then that dial spot would be classical in suburban Cleveland AND suburban Boston (ok I know Gloucesterites don't think of themselves as suburbanites, but Bever-aliens may). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Thu Jul 13 18:49:08 2006 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:49:08 -0400 Subject: ESPN moving to many R.Disney AMs??? References: <20060713215624.13D19CA073@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000401c6a6ce$8da2ac40$cfeb5d18@tim98b01b5ec4c> ABC would like to sell all of it's Radio Disney AMs. It's my guess they are going ESPN sports in order to upgrade the ratings and billing from the current children's formats so that the stations will be more attractive to new owners. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 13 20:47:37 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:47:37 -0400 Subject: Could we see ESPN 1260? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0607130956l495bf769ja42dac470a713f52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B6E9A9.7030908@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Word has it in Cleveland that ESPN is trying to wind up on a 24/7 > signal, and that might be the 1260 there (WWMK) which is currently > Radio Disney (by co-incidence, so is our Radio Disney station, WMKI > 1260). They may feel that ESPN would be more profitable than > children's programming. While ESPN is currently at 890 and 1400 here > (owned by J Sports), I wonder if they may pull it and put it on 1260? Nope. Disney's staying on 1260. Mel Karmazin's son, Craig, is buying WABQ 1540 in Cleveland and that's almost certainly where ESPN is going. His "Good Karma Broadcasting" owns several ESPN outlets in Wisconsin and Illinois. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 13 22:15:23 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:15:23 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> Doesn't WBZ radio use a 7-second delay on its talk shows? Tonight, on Paul Sullivan, around 8.25pm or so, a caller discussing the scandal surrounding the Big Dig, asked why some people who used to defend Matt Amorello (the head of the Turnpike Authority) now suddenly want to "shitcan" him. Embarrassed silence and then the caller got cut off-- but it went over the air. How did that happen? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 14 03:12:10 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:12:10 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of seven-second delay, recently I saw a North Shore Spirit game in Lynn and the live WWZN broadcast had a 7 second delay (maybe even 14). You'd see a play happen--ground ball, shortstop to first, for example--and it wouldn't be described for a few seconds on air...and I think there's some kind of delay difference between WEEI and NESN (for those who want to hear the radio broadcast but watch the TV coverage...) From hykker@grolen.com Fri Jul 14 08:21:15 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:21:15 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060714082011.01b13de0@pop3.grolen.com> Donna Halper wrote: >Doesn't WBZ radio use a 7-second delay on its talk shows? Tonight, on Paul >Sullivan, around 8.25pm or so, a caller discussing the scandal surrounding >the Big Dig, asked why some people who used to defend Matt Amorello (the >head of the Turnpike Authority) now suddenly want to "shitcan" >him. Embarrassed silence and then the caller got cut off-- but it went >over the air. How did that happen? Sloppy board op maybe? From rickkelly@gmail.com Fri Jul 14 11:05:59 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:05:59 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10607140805l75662268xaf12944b240d0183@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/06, Bob Nelson wrote: > I think there's some kind of delay difference between WEEI and NESN (for > those who want to hear the radio broadcast but watch the TV > coverage...) I have tried that, and no they don't sync up well at all. It's not that I mind Don and Remdawg, I like hearing Jerry Trupiano though, he is very quite cleaver asnd talented. BTW, same thing with the internet radio broadcast and TV. They don't sync up. -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 14 11:25:16 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:25:16 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10607140805l75662268xaf12944b240d0183@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> <521b7fd10607140805l75662268xaf12944b240d0183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B7B75C.602@fybush.com> Rick Kelly wrote: > On 7/14/06, Bob Nelson wrote: >> I think there's some kind of delay difference between WEEI and NESN (for >> those who want to hear the radio broadcast but watch the TV >> coverage...) > > I have tried that, and no they don't sync up well at all. It's not > that I mind Don and Remdawg, I like hearing Jerry Trupiano though, he > is very quite cleaver asnd talented. BTW, same thing with the > internet radio broadcast and TV. They don't sync up. Nothing syncs up anymore. There are too many places in the chain of a typical broadcast (radio or TV) these days where the signal can get delayed, and so many different ways in which those signals reach the viewer/listener that it's impossible to sync radio to TV (or vice versa) in a way that's going to satisfy everyone. If you're watching NESN on analog cable, you're seeing a different delay from the guy watching on digital cable, who's seeing a different delay from the guy watching on Dish Network or DirecTV, who's seeing yet another different delay from the guy watching in HD. There's so much digital signal processing going on in my digital cable box that even when it's tuned to an analog cable channel, it introduces a noticeable delay against straight analog reception. (Very noticeable when I have my analog TV on in my office and Lisa's watching the same channel through the cable box in the next room!) Radio's no longer a delay-free chain, either - there are all sorts of digital elements along the path (whether it be a satellite feed from a ballpark on the road, a digital STL, or IBOC) that introduce varying amounts of delay. Assuming WEEI(AM) gets a direct in-house feed of the network, its Sox broadcast should be a bit ahead of any of the affiliates, who get a satellite feed that's delayed by the amount of time it takes the signal to get 22,300 miles up into space and then back down to earth (plus any additional delays introduced by digital encoding and decoding, and whatever transmission method is used to get the audio from WEEI's studios to the uplink. In some future upgrade to digital TV and radio standards, I'd love to see the introduction of some sort of time reference for live broadcasts that would allow receivers to introduce their own delay (memory is cheap!) to one side or the other to sync up radio and TV broadcasts at the receiver end. s From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Fri Jul 14 11:35:48 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:35:48 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20060714082011.01b13de0@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <002801c6a75b$2f8844c0$4ba1e904@your6jnhhu0520> Bingo. A radio delay system is only as good as the producer/board-op. The WBZ system allows the producer to edit out clips of audio or dump the entire 7 seconds of audio in the memory of the delay unit (which is standard practice, as I was using a similar system as a producer back at WHDH in the early 90s). If the producer, answering phones or otherwise distracted, misses it, then the offending audio can get on the air. Then he/she has to answer to the Program Director as to why they missed it. Some talk set-ups will allow the host the option of hitting the "dump" button, which gets rid of the entire 7 seconds in the delay unit, as a back-up. Others prefer not to allow hosts the opportunity to inadvertently screw up their show in that manner and, therefore, leave it entirely up to the producer. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: seven second delay? > Donna Halper wrote: >>Doesn't WBZ radio use a 7-second delay on its talk shows? Tonight, on Paul >>Sullivan, around 8.25pm or so, a caller discussing the scandal surrounding >>the Big Dig, asked why some people who used to defend Matt Amorello (the >>head of the Turnpike Authority) now suddenly want to "shitcan" him. >>Embarrassed silence and then the caller got cut off-- but it went over the >>air. How did that happen? > > Sloppy board op maybe? > > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Jul 14 11:36:00 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <44B7B75C.602@fybush.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> <521b7fd10607140805l75662268xaf12944b240d0183@mail.gmail.com> <44B7B75C.602@fybush.com> Message-ID: <17591.47584.258130.877287@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In some future upgrade to digital TV and radio standards, I'd love to > see the introduction of some sort of time reference for live broadcasts > that would allow receivers to introduce their own delay (memory is > cheap!) to one side or the other to sync up radio and TV broadcasts at > the receiver end. RTP (the protocol used for real-time media over the Internet) has always done this. It has to, because the audio and video are sent as separate data streams, and you couldn't get lip-sync without a common clock reference. So if we all move to IP-based media, then this could in theory be done -- although I'd be surprised to see a consumer platform that actually had audio stream mix-and-match! -GAWollman From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Fri Jul 14 10:42:41 2006 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:42:41 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com > References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060714103017.02614fb8@BelloAssoc.com> The delay on NESN is long enough that if one is listening to the Red Sox the radio, you can walk to the other side of the house to see the same play on TV. In the 70s, BZ had a audio tape loop that ran between 2 15-inch reel to reel machines for their 7 second delay. One has to assume it is all solid state today. At 03:12 AM 7/14/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >Speaking of seven-second delay, recently I saw a North Shore Spirit >game in Lynn >and the live WWZN broadcast had a 7 second delay (maybe even 14). >You'd see a play happen--ground ball, shortstop to first, for >example--and it wouldn't be described for a few seconds on air...and I >think there's some kind of delay difference between WEEI and NESN (for >those who want to hear the radio broadcast but watch the TV >coverage...) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jul 14 15:53:34 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:53:34 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? Message-ID: <200607141553.AA3069641010@mail.ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: >RTP (the protocol used for real-time media over the Internet) has >always done this. It has to, because the audio and video are sent as >separate data streams, and you couldn't get lip-sync without a common >clock reference. While vacationing in Canada (over the 4th), I notice many instances of badly-synced audio/video. Sometimes a delay of a 1/2 second or more. Even my non-technical spouse (who usually ignores such things)commented. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jul 14 16:06:41 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:06:41 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? Message-ID: <200607141606.AA2426011768@mail.ttlc.net> Ron Bello wrote: >In the 70s, BZ had a audio tape loop that ran between 2 15-inch reel >to reel machines for their 7 second delay. One has to assume it is >all solid state today. Similar setup at WRKO for the Sunday night talk show. One Ampex 350 tape deck. Erase head disconnected. Record & playback heads reversed. One 7x7.5" loop of tape running around external pulleys. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jul 14 21:17:56 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:17:56 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <002801c6a75b$2f8844c0$4ba1e904@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <000001c6a7ac$84117d30$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> When I worked at WGAN, both the producer and hosts could hit the dump button. From me@billoneill.us Fri Jul 14 22:00:27 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:00:27 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <002801c6a75b$2f8844c0$4ba1e904@your6jnhhu0520> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20060714082011.01b13de0@pop3.grolen.com> <002801c6a75b$2f8844c0$4ba1e904@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <44B84C3B.1090102@billoneill.us> dslrpierce@peoplepc.com wrote: > Others prefer not to allow hosts the opportunity to inadvertently > screw up their show in that manner and, therefore, leave it entirely > up to the producer. > > Dan Pierce Ah, the "talent v. tech" conundrum. I always preferred to have access to delay dump. Especially if my name was on the show. Call it a pride in the product thing. But most talkers today didn't cut their teeth as radio geeks. happens. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jul 14 22:46:04 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:46:04 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? Message-ID: <000001c6a7b8$d3c434b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> The liberal half of WGAN's morning show was on vacation this week. Ethan Strimling, a State Senator from Portland and a candidate for re-election this fall, filled in as the co-host. He has filed in regularly on the show over the last couple of years. It seems weird to me that the station would have a candidate for office as a show host on a political talk show just a few months before the election. Thoughts? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 15 00:52:03 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:52:03 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060714103017.02614fb8@BelloAssoc.com> References: <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com > Message-ID: <44B83C33.5109.6640C0@localhost> On 14 Jul 2006 at 10:42, Ron Bello wrote: > In the 70s, BZ had a audio tape loop that ran between 2 15-inch reel > to reel machines for their 7 second delay. One has to assume it is > all solid state today. That's the system I remember them using at WMUA in the mid-1960s whenever they did a call-in talk show. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotest@cox.net Sat Jul 15 08:36:31 2006 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <44B83C33.5109.6640C0@localhost> References: <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com > <44B83C33.5109.6640C0@localhost> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060715082304.03454880@cox.net> At 12:52 AM 7/15/2006, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > In the 70s, BZ had a audio tape loop that ran between 2 15-inch reel > > to reel machines for their 7 second delay. One has to assume it is > > all solid state today. > >That's the system I remember them using at WMUA in the mid-1960s >whenever they did a call-in talk show. We were still using it at WMUA in the early '70s. You must have used the two Ampex 350s in the control room. By the early '70s, after the station rebuild, we used a tape loop rigged up on two Ampex 442s in the new production room. In 1980 I built a station that used an Audicord cart machine that was designed for delay. It was terrible - I never could get the erase head to do a thorough enough job. Fortunately we had two Otari MX-5050s side-by-side in that room, so I rigged up a loop. Although I am rather nostalgic about old technology, I wouldn't want to use it at work today. I far prefer my Eventide digital delay to a tape loop, just as I prefer audio workstations to carts and reel-to-reels, and prefer solid-state transmitters to the tubed variety. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 15 09:55:12 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:55:12 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <1fbbbced0607140012l4dc384a4j4cdecd1c91363d4@mail.gmail.com><521b7fd10607140805l75662268xaf12944b240d0183@mail.gmail.com> <44B7B75C.602@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002001c6a816$4c03c460$5d804c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: Rick Kelly Cc: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: seven second delay? > Rick Kelly wrote: > > On 7/14/06, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> I think there's some kind of delay difference between WEEI and NESN (for > >> those who want to hear the radio broadcast but watch the TV > >> coverage...) > > > > I have tried that, and no they don't sync up well at all. It's not > > that I mind Don and Remdawg, I like hearing Jerry Trupiano though, he > > is very quite cleaver asnd talented. BTW, same thing with the > > internet radio broadcast and TV. They don't sync up. > > Nothing syncs up anymore. There are too many places in the chain of a > typical broadcast (radio or TV) these days where the signal can get > delayed, and so many different ways in which those signals reach the > viewer/listener that it's impossible to sync radio to TV (or vice versa) > in a way that's going to satisfy everyone. > > If you're watching NESN on analog cable, you're seeing a different delay > from the guy watching on digital cable, who's seeing a different delay > from the guy watching on Dish Network or DirecTV, who's seeing yet > another different delay from the guy watching in HD. There's so much > digital signal processing going on in my digital cable box that even > when it's tuned to an analog cable channel, it introduces a noticeable > delay against straight analog reception. (Very noticeable when I have my > analog TV on in my office and Lisa's watching the same channel through > the cable box in the next room!) > Here in Connecticut, using an old analog cable box, I notice a difference between the WWOR and WCTX feeds of the same Yankees game on my cable system. The action on the New York station is slightly ahead of the action on the Hartford station. Howard From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 15 10:03:05 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:03:05 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? References: <000001c6a7ac$84117d30$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <002801c6a817$664770f0$9686e904@your6jnhhu0520> As a host, I prefer to have that option, which we installed at WGIR when we put in our delay system. WBZ does not have that option for the host, and WPRO does not, as well. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" To: ; ; "'SteveOrdinetz'" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: RE: seven second delay? > When I worked at WGAN, both the producer and hosts could hit the dump > button. > > > > From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 15 10:06:15 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:06:15 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060713221228.02dfd330@pop.registeredsite.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20060714082011.01b13de0@pop3.grolen.com> <002801c6a75b$2f8844c0$4ba1e904@your6jnhhu0520> <44B84C3B.1090102@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002e01c6a817$d72554e0$9686e904@your6jnhhu0520> As a Program Director, it really boils down to your comfort level with the host's ability to understand how the system works and use it properly without making it sound like a train wreck on the air. Those of us who spent time running boards before we became talk hosts are generally better able to understand how it all works and use it properly. Unfortunately, so many talk hosts now come from outside the business and, therefore, have little or no understanding about the technical aspects of a broadcast. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: Cc: ; "SteveOrdinetz" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: seven second delay? > dslrpierce@peoplepc.com wrote: >> Others prefer not to allow hosts the opportunity to inadvertently screw >> up their show in that manner and, therefore, leave it entirely up to the >> producer. >> >> Dan Pierce > Ah, the "talent v. tech" conundrum. I always preferred to have access to > delay dump. Especially if my name was on the show. Call it a pride in > the product thing. But most talkers today didn't cut their teeth as radio > geeks. happens. > > Bill O'Neill > > From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 15 10:08:31 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:08:31 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? References: <000001c6a7b8$d3c434b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <003401c6a818$2824a710$9686e904@your6jnhhu0520> I always tried to avoid putting candidates for office on the air as fill-in hosts, unless they were unopposed. If the guy is unopposed, or if he has only one opponent who they also plan to allow a fill-in opportunity, then it is certainly something that can work without running into any fairness issues, legally or otherwise. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? > The liberal half of WGAN's morning show was on vacation this week. Ethan > Strimling, a State Senator from Portland and a candidate for re-election > this fall, filled in as the co-host. He has filed in regularly on the > show > over the last couple of years. It seems weird to me that the station > would > have a candidate for office as a show host on a political talk show just a > few months before the election. Thoughts? > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > > > From hykker@grolen.com Sat Jul 15 10:59:33 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:59:33 -0400 Subject: seven second delay? In-Reply-To: <002801c6a817$664770f0$9686e904@your6jnhhu0520> References: <000001c6a7ac$84117d30$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <002801c6a817$664770f0$9686e904@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060715105646.01b581b8@pop3.grolen.com> dslrpierce@peoplepc.com wrote: >As a host, I prefer to have that option, which we installed at WGIR when >we put in our delay system. WBZ does not have that option for the host, >and WPRO does not, as well. Might not be practical in WBZ's case...how many of their hosts actually do their shows at the studio vs via ISDN? There are also lots of union rules in large/major markets, maybe that plays into it as well. From iraapple@comcast.net Sat Jul 15 11:58:13 2006 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:58:13 -0400 Subject: Seven Second Delay Message-ID: <001601c6a827$7be390a0$cc703144@IraApple> Dave Tepe is a retired radio engineer who had a featured article in Society of Broadcast Engineer - Pittsburgh Chapter. The item below is an excerpt from that newsletter of September of 2003 and mentions how we did it in 1959 at WJAS. By the way, both the Engineer and the host had control over the delay button. It was always my belief that the reason the delay was seven seconds rather than some other period of time was because that is ho long it took for a word to go from the RECORC of the first Magnacorder to the PLAYBACK of the other Magnacorder racked beside it in another frame. I never heard a better explanation of why seven seconds as opposed to any other amount of time. Ira Apple "We did a tape delay for the early phone-in talk shows of Ira Apple and Merle Pollis by running a tape between 2 Magnacord tape machines and later upgraded to carts by swapping the record and play heads. Since this was NBC, the machines were RCA, cart machines were just coming out in the early 60's. " From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jul 15 15:42:24 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:42:24 -0500 Subject: My Visit To Stiles Hill Message-ID: <20060715194224.61DABE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Scott's NERW news for last Monday indicated that WUNI-TV might bring down their longtime analog antenna and lift a new analog/DT antenna during the weekend. That can stretch from Friday PM through Monday AM, but just for fun, since I had a window of opportunity Saturday afternoon and I know exactly how to get there, I drove down to the Boylston, Mass tower site on the chance that all this activity would happen then. I was also curious to ascertain if WAAF-FM was finally up there to stay. Well it was a quiet weekend in Boylston, Mass...no sign of any activity on Stiles Hill, and the TV antenna atop the tower looked as though it has weathered many a New England winter (30-plus years?). But it DOES appear that WAAF is indeed transmitting from this site now. Using both my car radio and less selective headset radio, I could pick up WAAF's IBOC hash from 105.7 right through 107.9. They certainly are obliterating the signals in the upper end of the dial (using the imagery of an old-fashioned rotating tuner), but I suspect that G. M. and CCU in turn are returning the favor in downtown Boston! -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dwcole@comcast.net Sat Jul 15 16:09:50 2006 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:09:50 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? References: <000001c6a7b8$d3c434b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000301c6a84a$a18df840$daf29318@yourw92p4bhlzg> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" > The liberal half of WGAN's morning show was on vacation this week. Ethan > Strimling, a State Senator from Portland and a candidate for re-election > this fall, filled in as the co-host. He has filed in regularly on the > show > over the last couple of years. It seems weird to me that the station > would > have a candidate for office as a show host on a political talk show just a > few months before the election. Thoughts? Ethan is a good fill-in. His political status as a candidate did not enter into any decision. If you noticed, he did not tout his political future. For the most part it was Mike who referred to him as a state senator, Strimling didn't mention it, except when asked. Dan From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jul 15 17:10:49 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:10:49 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? In-Reply-To: <000301c6a84a$a18df840$daf29318@yourw92p4bhlzg> Message-ID: <000001c6a853$28958f80$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> I'm not suggesting that Strimling's status as a candidate was why he was selected as a guest host. My question is whether it is appropriate to have a candidate as a guest host so close to the election. Though Strimling may not have touted his campaign, the appearance still has a significant value for his campaign. What does WGAN charge for an ad on the show? How many times was Strimling's name and office mentioned during the show? It is widely expected that Congressman Tom Allen will run for the Senate in 2008 and Strimling will be a candidate for Congress if Allen runs for the Senate. Will WGAN continue to use Strimling as host if he becomes a candidate for Congress? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan C [mailto:dwcole@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 4:10 PM > To: Daniel Billings; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Candidate as talk show co-host? > > Ethan is a good fill-in. His political status as a candidate did not > enter > into any decision. If you noticed, he did not tout his political future. > For the most part it was Mike who referred to him as a state senator, > Strimling didn't mention it, except when asked. > > Dan From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 15 17:41:20 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:41:20 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? In-Reply-To: <000301c6a84a$a18df840$daf29318@yourw92p4bhlzg> References: <000001c6a7b8$d3c434b0$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> <000301c6a84a$a18df840$daf29318@yourw92p4bhlzg> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060715173712.025d6228@mac.com> At 04:09 PM 7/15/2006, Dan C wrote: >Ethan is a good fill-in. His political status as a candidate did >not enter into any decision. If you noticed, he did not tout his >political future. For the most part it was Mike who referred to him >as a state senator, Strimling didn't mention it, except when asked. Vermont congressman Bernie Sanders, currently running for the US Senate, is the guest for one hour most every Friday on the Thom Hartmann show. While the show originates from Portland, OR, it formerly originated from Vermont, and is on several terrestrial stations in VT as well as on Sirius. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jul 15 19:17:37 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:17:37 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060715173712.025d6228@mac.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a864$dfbe3b60$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> There is a major difference between being a guest and being a host. > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Larry Weil > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 5:41 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Candidate as talk show co-host? > > Vermont congressman Bernie Sanders, currently running for the US > Senate, is the guest for one hour most every Friday on the Thom > Hartmann show. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 15 19:49:07 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:49:07 -0400 Subject: Candidate as talk show co-host? In-Reply-To: <000001c6a864$dfbe3b60$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060715173712.025d6228@mac.com> <000001c6a864$dfbe3b60$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060715194502.025f6c48@mac.com> At 07:17 PM 7/15/2006, Daniel Billings wrote: >There is a major difference between being a guest and being a host. True. I think that difference is blurred a bit when someone is a guest every week. That said, Cong. Sanders does not talk much about his candidacy on the show, he mainly talks about issues, mostly in response to questions from callers. I wrote: > > Vermont congressman Bernie Sanders, currently running for the US > > Senate, is the guest for one hour most every Friday on the Thom > > Hartmann show. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 22:29:09 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 Message-ID: <20060716022909.96982.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Has anyone else noticed any FM e-skip reception this evening? Here in Schenectady NY, at about 9 PM I was getting several stations coming in, but was only able to definitively confirm and ID one - KGRC 92.9 FM Hannibal, MO (approximately 1076 miles). I was also getting some modern rock, oldies, and classic rock stations on 100.5 and 100.7 FM, but was not able to get an ID on any of them (they would randomly cut in and cut out between each other). Anyone else catch anything this evening? Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 22:37:43 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 Message-ID: <20060716023743.58093.qmail@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I think I was able to identify the classic rock station I was hearing on 100.7, but am not positive - KGMO Cape Girardeau, Missouri (broadcasts from roughly the same part of the country as my confirmed catch, which seems to be a trait of FM e-skip reception). Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 15 22:58:06 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:58:06 -0400 Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 In-Reply-To: <20060716022909.96982.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20060716022909.96982.qmail@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17593.43838.1351.436535@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Has anyone else noticed any FM e-skip reception this evening? How about KZEN (100.3 Central City, Neb., 1345 mi), at about 1745 EDT? It was a bit weird as we were getting the usual big southerly hot-weather enhancement this afternoon; I had a strong WLIU, weak WLNG, and WALK-F just barely audible over the WILD-F IBOC hash (in addition to all the Cape stuff that blows in this time of year). I was checking on all the NYC frequencies and there was nothing; whne I hit 100.3 there were clearly two or three stations fighting it out, but I had no idea what they were. One of them turned out to be Middletown, R.I., in Spanish (with some English-language commercials mixed in for good measure), but I couldn't quite make out the other one. I stopped my car on a convenient side street and played the multipath fringe trick until I got the second signal on top, and heard the tail end of a mic set and a "KZ100 classic country" production piece. A Google search backed up by FM Atlas confirms "KZ100" on 100.3 as KZEN. -GAWollman From rgallison@yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 23:47:10 2006 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 Message-ID: <20060716034710.17541.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> I didnt check the FM broadcast band for skip, but I have no doubt the skip was well into the FM band. I was able to ID KSNW TV-3 in Wichita Kansas. Also WSIL-TV in Illinois and WREG-TV in Tennessee. The Wichita Kansas was the furthest TV DX Ive received yet. It stinks being north of Bangor and having to aim the antenna south to get the Bangor stations only to get hash on 2 thru 6. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 16 07:09:21 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:09:21 -0400 Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 References: <20060716034710.17541.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c6a8c8$4ab94820$2f01a8c0@pastor2> I was in the Calais, Maine area yesterday, and while enroute back home to central Maine I picked up an Iowa station fading in and out on 90.9. The same thing happened a few days ago on 91.7. I didn't catch call letters on either occasion, unfortunately, but in each instance there were references to local Iowa goings-on. This isn't a terribly unusual occurrence during the summer; I've gotten WOI-FM in Ames, Iowa, on several occasions in the past. I agree with Richard: there are times when it's fun (surprising to find what you can pull in!) and times when it's annoying (when you're intent on listening to, or watching, a particular station). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gallison" To: "Bostonradio" Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 > I didnt check the FM broadcast band for skip, but I > have no doubt the skip was well into the FM band. I > was able to ID KSNW TV-3 in Wichita Kansas. Also > WSIL-TV in Illinois and WREG-TV in Tennessee. The > Wichita Kansas was the furthest TV DX Ive received > yet. It stinks being north of Bangor and having to aim > the antenna south to get the Bangor stations only to > get hash on 2 thru 6. > > Richard > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 16 08:14:09 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:14:09 -0600 Subject: FM E-Skip reception 7/15/06 Message-ID: One of our company's engineers was able to clearly pick up WEEI-FM 103.7/Westerly RI...somewhere between Madison and Milwaukee, WI. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 20:04:42 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WRKO host suspended for calling Turnpike chief a derogatory slur Message-ID: <20060719000442.81718.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was the word "faggot"? WRKO host suspended for calling Turnpike chief a derogatory slur By Mark Shanahan, Globe Staff | July 18, 2006 WRKO suspended talk-show host John DePetro today for using a slur for "homosexual" in reference to Turnpike Authority chairman Matthew J. Amorello. The morning host, who calls himself "The Independent Man," was suspended for two days after using the epithet on the air during a discussion of Amorello's conduct following the ceiling collapse of the I-90 connector. DePetro called Amorello "[expletive] Matt," adding, "I don't mean gay [expletive]. I mean like he's a sissy boy. He's a little sissy boy." Neither DePetro nor Amorello returned calls late today, but WRKO program director Jason Wolfe said the station has "zero tolerance for racial intolerance... Mr. DePetro has 72 hours to think about this." Wolfe said he purposely chose the word "racial" because "people will lump everything in together." The conservative talk-show host, who's been on the air at WRKO for three years, made the comment while talking about Amorello's decision to bring his wife, Charlotte, and spokeswoman, Mariellen Burns, to the funeral of Milena Del Valle, the woman who was killed when the ceiling panel collapsed. DePetro said his WRKO colleague Howie Carr calls Amorello "fat Matt" and then said it should "[expletive] Matt." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jul 18 20:04:54 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:04:54 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <003501c6aac6$f78b8400$19b38018@Mark> According to an article on the Boston Globe's web site, WRKO 9AM- 12 Noon host John DePetro has been suspended for 2 days for using a slur word for homosexual while discussing embattled Mass Turnpike chairman Matt Amorello's conduct in the wake of the recent tragic death in the I-90 connector tunnel and the resulting fallout. WRKO PD Jason Wolfe said that the station has zero tolerance for racial intolerance. Here is a link to the story on the Globe's website: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2006/07/18/wrko_host_suspended_for_calling_turnpike_chief_a_derogatory_slur/ Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jul 18 20:17:59 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:17:59 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> "Mark Watson" wrote: > WRKO 9AM- 12 Noon host John DePetro has been suspended for 2 >days for using a slur word for homosexual while discussing embattled >Mass Turnpike chairman Matt Amorello's conduct >WRKO PD Jason Wolfe said that the station has zero tolerance for >racial intolerance. Sounds like free publicity for WRKO and a 2-day vacation for John DePetro. True zero-tolerance would have put John at the unemployment office. From blaine@well.com Tue Jul 18 20:25:30 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:25:30 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <44BD7BFA.9060700@well.com> Would his word fall under the new $325,000 fine guidelines? Blaine Thompson Fort Wayne, Indiana From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 18 21:07:17 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:07:17 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <44BD7BFA.9060700@well.com> References: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> <44BD7BFA.9060700@well.com> Message-ID: <44BD85C5.7080107@fybush.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > Would his word fall under the new $325,000 fine guidelines? > > Blaine Thompson > Fort Wayne, Indiana Highly doubtful - there's nothing either "obscene" or "indecent" about it (at least in the eyes of the law). Given DePetro's history in Providence, I suspect I'm not alone in thinking this was only a matter of time. (I can think of another relative newcomer to the Boston talk ranks about whom this is even more true.) s From songbook2@comcast.net Wed Jul 19 11:17:15 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:17:15 -0700 Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = Message-ID: <44BE4CFB.8060506@comcast.net> Anyone (Donna?) know what date/year Big Brother Bob Emery was born, and where? He hosted "The Small Fry Club" on WBZ-TV and elsewhere ("OK kids, it's time to make a toast with a big glass of cold milk!!" and "The grass is always greener in the other person's yard" [his theme song at the piano]). He also hosted "This Wonderful World" - was that on TV in Boston, or NYC, or on radio? He died July 18, 1982. Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jul 19 12:18:03 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:18:03 -0400 Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = References: <44BE4CFB.8060506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00dc01c6ab4e$ea0bd2c0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I know Donna or Scott can provide a bio. on Big Brother Bob; just a word of correction, however, on "The Grass is Always Greener"--- Bob played it on his ukelele. The toast, by the way, was to the President. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = > Anyone (Donna?) know what date/year Big Brother Bob Emery was born, and > where? He hosted "The Small Fry Club" on WBZ-TV and elsewhere ("OK > kids, it's time to make a toast with a big glass of cold milk!!" and > "The grass is always greener in the other person's yard" [his theme song > at the piano]). > He also hosted "This Wonderful World" - was that on TV in Boston, or > NYC, or on radio? He died July 18, 1982. > > Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 12:20:56 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:20:56 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <44BD85C5.7080107@fybush.com> References: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> <44BD7BFA.9060700@well.com> <44BD85C5.7080107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607190920obae252esf789e33ba5233750@mail.gmail.com> If his ratings don't improve (see Herald article), combined with this, we might soon be hearing Glenn Beck instead. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 19 12:22:14 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:22:14 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607190920obae252esf789e33ba5233750@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607182017.AA1217135132@mail.ttlc.net> <44BD7BFA.9060700@well.com> <44BD85C5.7080107@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0607190920obae252esf789e33ba5233750@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BE5C36.2070809@fybush.com> I would hope that RKO would stay local in that timeslot, rather than going syndicated. s Bob Nelson wrote: > If his ratings don't improve (see Herald article), combined with this, > we might soon be > hearing Glenn Beck instead. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 19 13:43:52 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:43:52 -0400 Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = In-Reply-To: <44BE4CFB.8060506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060719133933.02fac5f0@pop.registeredsite.com> At 08:17 AM 7/19/2006 -0700, Russ Butler wrote: >Anyone (Donna?) know what date/year Big Brother Bob Emery was born, and >where? You doing his astrological chart, Russ? He was born in Abington, MA. Real name at birth was Clair Robert Emery, I believe. (He got rid of the Clair for obvious reasons...) He was born 12 August 1897, and as far as I know, Russ is correct in saying he is still dead... From bobbieflowers12@comcast.net Wed Jul 19 10:49:34 2006 From: bobbieflowers12@comcast.net (Bobbie) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:49:34 -0700 Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery Message-ID: <44BE467E.6090802@comcast.net> Anyone (Donna?) know what date/year Big Brother Bob Emery was born, and where? He hosted "The Small Fry Club" on WBZ-TV and elsewhere ("OK kids, it's time to make a toast with a big glass of cold milk!!" and "The grass is always greener in the other person's yard" [his theme song at the piano]). He also hosted "This Wonderful World" - was that on TV in Boston, or NYC, or on radio? He died July 18, 1982. Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jul 19 16:40:29 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:40:29 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <20060719204029.B26FF86B16@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Scott Fybush" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, raccoonradio@gmail.com > Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:20:56 -0400 > > > If his ratings don't improve (see Herald article), combined with this, > we might soon be > hearing Glenn Beck instead. Speaking of comparisons between how the Globe handled it and the Herald's take: the Globe wouldn't print the word 'fag', but a day earlier, printed 'shit' when quoting the Court-appointed POTUS. (POTUS is an acronym sometimes used in government for The "President Of The United States"...why don't they say SCROTUS for The "Supreme Court of the United States"?) -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jul 19 16:42:02 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:42:02 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <20060719204202.DC77686B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rogerkirk > To: "Boston Radio" , "Mark Watson" > Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:17:59 -0400 > > > "Mark Watson" wrote: > > > WRKO 9AM- 12 Noon host John DePetro has been suspended for > > 2 days for using a slur word for homosexual while discussing > > embattled Mass Turnpike chairman Matt Amorello's conduct > > WRKO PD Jason Wolfe said that the station has zero tolerance for > > racial intolerance. > > Sounds like free publicity for WRKO and a 2-day vacation for John DePetro. > > True zero-tolerance would have put John at the unemployment office. Speaking of which, does anyone know where John Osterlund ("Ozone") is now? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jul 19 16:44:59 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:44:59 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <20060719204459.1ACF386B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Fybush" > To: "Blaine Thompson" > Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:07:17 -0400 > > > Blaine Thompson wrote: > > Would his word fall under the new $325,000 fine guidelines? > > > > Blaine Thompson > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > Highly doubtful - there's nothing either "obscene" or "indecent" > about it (at least in the eyes of the law). > > Given DePetro's history in Providence, I suspect I'm not alone in > thinking this was only a matter of time. (I can think of another > relative newcomer to the Boston talk ranks about whom this is even > more true.) > > s If you're referring to Michael Graham, I suspect he realizes that this could be his last major-market gig if he screws up, and he's been thoroughly briefed by G. M. not to repeat his WMAL fiasco. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Jul 19 17:06:02 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:06:02 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <20060719204459.1ACF386B15@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <006901c6ab77$24a0e560$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > If you're referring to Michael Graham, I suspect he realizes that this > could be his last major-market gig if he screws up, and he's > been thoroughly > briefed by G. M. not to repeat his WMAL fiasco. > > -- Would you care to enlighten us as to what the WMAL fiasco was? Brian From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jul 19 17:31:57 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:31:57 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <20060719213157.56573E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Laurence Glavin'" , "'Scott Fybush'" , "'Blaine Thompson'" > Subject: RE: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:06:02 -0400 > > > > If you're referring to Michael Graham, I suspect he realizes that this > > could be his last major-market gig if he screws up, and he's been thoroughly > > briefed by G. M. not to repeat his WMAL fiasco. > > > > -- > Would you care to enlighten us as to what the WMAL fiasco was? Yes, in fact this week may be the first anniversary of the event. When M.G. was a talk show host at WMAL in Washington, DC, he really went overboard about calling Muslims "terrorists". Some Muslim organizations protested and Michael was at first suspended, then fired when he refused to apologize. I suspect these days he refers primarily to "Islamicists" or "those Muslims involved in terrorism" so as not to seem as though he's referring to ALL Muslims. I recall that Jay Severin came close to saying the same thing at that time, but G. M. chose not to censure him. > > Brian > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From sid@wrko.com Wed Jul 19 21:10:53 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:10:53 -0600 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: >>(POTUS is an acronym sometimes used in government for The "President Of The United States"...why don't they say SCROTUS for The "Supreme Court of the United States"?)<< News organizations regularly use SCOTUS (internally) to refer to the Supreme Court. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Wed Jul 19 21:11:23 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:11:23 -0600 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: >>does anyone know where John Osterlund ("Ozone") is now?<< Last I heard, tending bar in Florida. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 20 00:26:30 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:26:30 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <20060719204029.B26FF86B16@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44BECDB6.9236.5B095A@localhost> On 19 Jul 2006 at 15:40, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Speaking of comparisons between how the Globe handled it and the > Herald's take: the Globe wouldn't print the word 'fag', but a day > earlier, printed 'shit' when quoting the Court-appointed POTUS. (POTUS > is an acronym sometimes used in government for The "President Of The > United States"...why don't they say SCROTUS for The "Supreme Court of > the United States"?) I believe they say SCOTUS for the Supreme Court. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 20 09:04:48 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:04:48 -0400 Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = References: <44BE4CFB.8060506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001c6abfd$1528aa60$04914c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Butler To: ; Russ Butler Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Big Brother Bob Emery = > Anyone (Donna?) know what date/year Big Brother Bob Emery was born, and > where? He hosted "The Small Fry Club" on WBZ-TV and elsewhere ("OK > kids, it's time to make a toast with a big glass of cold milk!!" and > "The grass is always greener in the other person's yard" [his theme song > at the piano]). I still remember joining him in his milky toasts to portraits of Eisenhower and Kennedy, while a recording of "Hail to the Chief" played in the background. Howard From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jul 20 17:11:25 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:11:25 -0500 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello Message-ID: <20060720211125.7C729CA0C1@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Bob Nelson" , "Scott Fybush" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, "Laurence Glavin" > Subject: Re: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:26:30 -0400 > > > On 19 Jul 2006 at 15:40, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > Speaking of comparisons between how the Globe handled it and the > > Herald's take: the Globe wouldn't print the word 'fag', but a day > > earlier, printed 'shit' when quoting the Court-appointed POTUS. (POTUS > > is an acronym sometimes used in government for The "President Of The > > United States"...why don't they say SCROTUS for The "Supreme Court of > > the United States"?) > > I believe they say SCOTUS for the Supreme Court. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com I was kidding around...'SCROTUS' of course would be too close to 'SCROTUM' for comfort. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 21 01:05:28 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:28 -0400 Subject: WRKO Host John DePetro Suspended For Remarks About Matt Amorello In-Reply-To: <20060720211125.7C729CA0C1@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44C02858.22551.6EAF1D@localhost> On 20 Jul 2006 at 16:11, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I was kidding around...'SCROTUS' of course would be too close to > 'SCROTUM' for comfort. I know you were. Back in the 1964 election, when Governor William Scranton of Pennsylvania was, for awhile, running for President to try to stop Goldwater, my college room-mate liked to call him "Governor Scrotum." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 23:50:21 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork Message-ID: <20060722035022.42985.qmail@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just got this e-mail from WZMY Channel 50 Derry NH: As a member of the My TV Club you're getting this special announcement before anyone else! We'll be telling the rest of the world next week but we wanted you to know first. Starting in September My TV will be part of the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV! As an affiliate of this new network, we'll be the home in New England for all of their exciting, new, primetime programming..... John B Derry From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jul 22 07:47:16 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:47:16 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <20060722035022.42985.qmail@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c6ad84$96b6f9a0$19b38018@Mark> John Bolduc wrote: > Starting in September My TV will be part of > the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV! As an affiliate of this new > network, we'll be the home in New England for all of their exciting, new, > primetime programming..... So I guess that means "My TV Prime" WZMY Channel 50's weeknight live talk show's Summer hiatus will become permanent. Mark Watson From sid@wrko.com Sat Jul 22 08:24:06 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:24:06 -0600 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork Message-ID: >>Starting in September My TV will be part of the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV!<< Brilliant, just brilliant. At the very instant when two national networks are merging into one to insure their survival, these brains create another network. Doncha just love decisions made in stark ignorance of reality? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jul 22 13:33:12 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:33:12 -0500 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork Message-ID: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bolduc" > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > Just got this e-mail from WZMY Channel 50 Derry NH: > > As a member of the My TV Club you're getting this special announcement > before anyone else! We'll be telling the rest of the world next week but > we wanted you to know first. Starting in September My TV will be part of > the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV! As an affiliate of this new > network, we'll be the home in New England for all of their exciting, new, > primetime programming..... > > > John B > Derry I recall that several years ago, channel 21 in Concord, NH became an affiliate of the CBS Television Network. It made sense to me; why should a UHF station in the Manchester Metro Market try to compete with channel 9 with movies and reruns? Channel 21 also tried to include local news in the mix, but didn't have the financial wherewithal to carry on. Since "major" network affiliations exist in markets as close as Boston/Providence, Springfield/Hartford and many more, wouldn't it be a better bet for 50 to affiliate with CBS, NBC or Fox? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 22 13:56:44 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:56:44 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C266DC.3060104@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> Starting in September My TV will be part of the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV!<< > > Brilliant, just brilliant. At the very instant when two national networks are merging into one to insure their survival, these brains create another network. Doncha just love decisions made in stark ignorance of reality? Ah, but keep in mind that Fox created MNTV for one very specific reason: it has TV duopolies in a number of very large markets (NYC, LA, Chicago, DC, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Phoenix) that were created when Fox bought out the old Chris-Craft a few years back. The second station in each of those markets was a UPN affiliate (except Dallas, which was an indie), and with the new CW going to other stations in each of those markets, Fox had to program SOMETHING in primetime in all those markets. It's cheaper to do that centrally than to do it individually at each station - and as long as the new "quasi-network" is being created for in-house use at the Fox-owned stations, why NOT offer it to all those stations in other markets that are being shut out when the CW affiliation goes to the "other guy" in town? (Did I mention that Fox decided to undercut CW, which is charging stations for affiliations, by offering the new network on straight barter?) Boston was one of the last markets where MNTV ended up clearing an affiliate. Fox only owned the one station here, CW is replacing WB on 56, and CBS had its own ideas about what to do with 38 in lieu of UPN. (Several other CBS-owned former UPN affiliates did end up signing with MNTV a couple of weeks ago.) MNTV will also help to fill all those new hours of airtime being created by new DT2 subchannels in many markets. Even if it doesn't make a penny from all that smaller-market distribution, as long as it remains a cheap way for Fox to program its second stations in its O&O markets, it'll be worth it for the parent company. Yes, it means a big headache for the strategy CBS and Time Warner thought they had all nailed down by merging UPN and WB - but there's your free market in action. s From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jul 22 14:58:28 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:28 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <008601c6adc0$d24b15a0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> < as Boston/Providence, Springfield/Hartford and many more, wouldn't > it be a better bet for 50 to affiliate with CBS, NBC or Fox?>> Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand that WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back around 1960 or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in the past thirty years; with each change in ownership, have the other networks tried to wrest it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . Why ABC? It gives the network a very advantageous toehold in the state. (I guess if I were an exec with Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer right there.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "John Bolduc" ; Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bolduc" > > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork > > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Just got this e-mail from WZMY Channel 50 Derry NH: > > > > As a member of the My TV Club you're getting this special announcement > > before anyone else! We'll be telling the rest of the world next week but > > we wanted you to know first. Starting in September My TV will be part of > > the new, national TV network... MyNetworkTV! As an affiliate of this new > > network, we'll be the home in New England for all of their exciting, new, > > primetime programming..... > > > > > > John B > > Derry > > I recall that several years ago, channel 21 in Concord, NH became an > affiliate of the CBS Television Network. It made sense to me; why > should a UHF station in the Manchester Metro Market try to compete with > channel 9 with movies and reruns? Channel 21 also tried to include > local news in the mix, but didn't have the financial wherewithal to carry > on. Since "major" network affiliations exist in markets as close > as Boston/Providence, Springfield/Hartford and many more, wouldn't > it be a better bet for 50 to affiliate with CBS, NBC or Fox?> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 22 16:11:14 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <008601c6adc0$d24b15a0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> References: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <008601c6adc0$d24b15a0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44C28662.5010402@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > <> as Boston/Providence, Springfield/Hartford and many more, wouldn't >> it be a better bet for 50 to affiliate with CBS, NBC or Fox?>> > > Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand that > WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back around 1960 > or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in the past thirty > years; with each change in ownership, have the other networks tried to wrest > it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . Why ABC? It gives the network > a very advantageous toehold in the state. (I guess if I were an exec with > Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer right there.) At this point, the "why ABC?" question lies squarely at the feet of Hearst-Argyle, which paid an obscene amount of money a few years back to put WMUR under common ownership with WCVB, thus creating a "best-of-both-worlds" scenario and eliminating a slight disadvantage WCVB would otherwise have had in the Boston market (since it had to split ABC viewership in NH with WMUR, while WBZ and WHDH had exclusive market rights for CBS and NBC). Now, Hearst gets the viewership regardless of whether people are watching WCVB or WMUR, and it gets the incredible amount of political ad revenue WMUR takes in every four years at primary time - and it doesn't have to worry about covering NH stories on WCVB as much, since those viewers have WMUR to cater specifically to them. Given the level of cable penetration in southern NH, combined with the fact that most cable systems now get a fiber feed of the Boston stations rather than receiving them off the air, I'm actually somewhat surprised we haven't seen the other Boston stations offer separate regional news and advertising feeds for the NH piece of the market (or, for that matter, for Worcester and vicinity). It would be easy enough to accomplish on a technical level. s From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 22 16:05:31 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:05:31 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44C2850B.6010604@fybush.com> > I recall that several years ago, channel 21 in Concord, NH became an > affiliate of the CBS Television Network. It made sense to me; why > should a UHF station in the Manchester Metro Market try to compete with > channel 9 with movies and reruns? Channel 21 also tried to include > local news in the mix, but didn't have the financial wherewithal to carry > on. Since "major" network affiliations exist in markets as close > as Boston/Providence, Springfield/Hartford and many more, wouldn't > it be a better bet for 50 to affiliate with CBS, NBC or Fox? You can pretty much blame the FCC's cable must-carry rules for this one. Because the FCC defines the "Boston" TV market as including not only most of eastern Massachusetts but also most of NH and even a bit of VT, any station licensed anywhere in that area can claim cable carriage (and satellite carriage) throughout the area. The market definitions, as they now stand, pretty much reflect the built-out reality of television circa about 1995. If WNHT had been just a little stronger financially, or had been around a few years longer, there might have been just enough viewership specific to the NH stations (not just 9 and 21 but also 50 and 60) to have designated a "Manchester-Concord" market separate from Boston, in which case NBC and Fox might eventually have signed affiliates up there as well. But there wasn't - and by 1995, 21 had become nothing more than a satellite of Boston's 68 in any event - so enough viewership went to Boston to more or less lock Manchester/Concord into the Boston market. From the point of view of channels 21, 50 and 60, that probably was the right move - would you rather be a second-tier CBS affiliate with a market of 300,000 people in central New Hampshire, or would you rather have a reach that includes 4 or 5 million people as far south as Foxborough and Plymouth? If I'm trying to make money selling advertising (and even more so if I eventually want to sell my station to a "greater fool"), I think I'd rather be the small fish in a huge pond, particularly given the NH market dominance of channel 9. The licenses for 50 and 60 have changed hands in recent years for far more money (as "Boston-market" must-carry licenses) than they'd ever have been worth as weak competitors to channel 9 for a Manchester-Concord audience. In any event, as long as the market is defined the way it is, the CBS, NBC and Fox affiliations aren't available to channel 50, since they're already very much taken for the entire "Boston market." s From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 22 21:37:52 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:37:52 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <44C2850B.6010604@fybush.com> References: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <44C2850B.6010604@fybush.com> Message-ID: <17602.54000.176097.662897@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In any event, as long as the market is defined the way it is, the CBS, > NBC and Fox affiliations aren't available to channel 50, since they're > already very much taken for the entire "Boston market." That is, of course, unless the current affiliates had decided they wanted to buy those stations, to operate as satellites. Today that would make little economic sense; 25 years ago it might have. But 25 years ago, none of the Boston "big 3" station owners were in a position to do that -- David Mugar had just taken over channel 7 after the RKO General affair, Boston Broadcasters was about to cash out at channel 5, and I don't think Westinghouse would have wanted such a station given the then-current national TV ownership cap. It's interesting to consider what would have happened had Providence been stuck with the one V it started with, or if channel 5 had remained a Worcester allotment, or if channel 2 had actually made it to the air as a commercial station. -GAWollman From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 22 22:14:23 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:14:23 -0400 Subject: Small markets versus large markets Message-ID: <17602.56191.195542.688096@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> The current issue of /Radio World/ includes a summary from BIA of the 2005 revenues for the top 25 media companies. While they didn't do the math, I thought it would be interesting to compare companies by revenue per station. This makes it very obvious how the companies are weighted with respect to market size; a few companies average as little as $1 million per station -- which, while not pocket change, isn't much for a top-25 group. Here's how they ranked in my reinterpretation of BIA's results: # Company $M/station 1 ABC 17.4 (inc. only stations sold to Citadel) 2 Emmis 12.9 3 CBS 12.5 4 Greater Media 9.8 5 Bonneville 9.6 6 SBS 9.4 7 Jefferson-Pilot 8.7 (now Lincoln Financial Media) 8 Cumulus Media Partners 7.3 9 Sandusky 6.4 10 Cox 6.2 11 Radio One 5.6 12 Univision 5.2 13 Entercom 4.7 14 Inner City 3.5 15 Beasley 3.1 16 Clear Channel 3.0 17 Journal 2.2 18 Entravision 2.0 19 Salem 1.9 20 Citadel 1.9 21 Saga 1.5 22 NextMedia 1.4 23 Multicultural 1.4 24 Regent 1.2 25 Cumulus Broadcasting 1.0 Sandusky is the smallest group on BIA's list, with only ten stations. That's probably small enough to discount them as being too small a sample. (If it were included, WEAZ-FM Radio Inc. would easily be number one, but that would be apples to oranges, comparing a single station -- WBEB (101.1B Philadelphia) -- against an entire group of stations.) According to BIA, Clear Channel (#1) bills $1 billion more than CBS (#2) -- but it takes CCU 1,000 more stations to do it. If I were an investor,[1] I'm not sure I'd judge that a success. -GAWollman [1] I actually am an investor, generally speaking, but I don't own stock in any U.S. broadcasting companies and consider them to be a bad investment at present. This message is not intended as, and should not be construed as, investment advice. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Not available in New Jersey. Prices subject to dealer participation. Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jul 22 22:57:32 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:57:32 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <20060722173312.99B7B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <44C2850B.6010604@fybush.com> <17602.54000.176097.662897@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <009a01c6ae03$bec452b0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <> Does anyone know why channel 5 didn't remain a Worcester allotment? It has always struck me as odd that the traditionally-second-largest city in New England has never had a VHF station that is a major network affiliate. I would have thought that the FCC would especially have given consideration to that when it forced the Herald Traveler to divest itself of WHDH-TV. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > < said: > > > In any event, as long as the market is defined the way it is, the CBS, > > NBC and Fox affiliations aren't available to channel 50, since they're > > already very much taken for the entire "Boston market." > > That is, of course, unless the current affiliates had decided they > wanted to buy those stations, to operate as satellites. Today that > would make little economic sense; 25 years ago it might have. But 25 > years ago, none of the Boston "big 3" station owners were in a > position to do that -- David Mugar had just taken over channel 7 after > the RKO General affair, Boston Broadcasters was about to cash out at > channel 5, and I don't think Westinghouse would have wanted such a > station given the then-current national TV ownership cap. > > It's interesting to consider what would have happened had Providence > been stuck with the one V it started with, or if channel 5 had > remained a Worcester allotment, or if channel 2 had actually made it > to the air as a commercial station. > > -GAWollman > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:35:42 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:35:42 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) Message-ID: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> hello all I was driving down Concord Ave in Cambridge and saw a single tower in the middle of a self-storage facility at this location.. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=Fern%20St%20%26%20Field%20St&city=Cambridge&state=MA&zipcode=02138&country=US&geodiff=1 Anyone know what station it is? Don From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 23 07:16:34 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:16:34 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) In-Reply-To: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607230416wbb29645mbd3884df1477981b@mail.gmail.com> WJIB? > I was driving down Concord Ave in Cambridge and saw a single tower in the > middle of a self-storage facility at this location.. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 07:45:32 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:45:32 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) References: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <1fbbbced0607230416wbb29645mbd3884df1477981b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c6ae4d$818cf010$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Scott's the expert on these things, but I think Bob is right. The tower was built on the premises of the old Harvey Radio Labs-WTAO-WXHR complex. WTAO is now WJIB. Assuming it's the one that was there when I was growing up 50 years ago, it's an impressive old thing, isn't it? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Don A." ; Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Tower hunter? ;-) > WJIB? > > > > I was driving down Concord Ave in Cambridge and saw a single tower in the > > middle of a self-storage facility at this location.. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 07:25:09 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:25:09 -0400 Subject: Small markets versus large markets References: <17602.56191.195542.688096@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c6ae4a$b5ea9360$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I think there is an effect for which I can't figure out how to correct. Groups such as Salem, whose revenues are derived primarily from brokered-time stations, appear to show up with revenues that are lower than they would be if the owner were responsible for producing the program content. However, the percentage of revenues that drop to the bottom line must be substantially higher for these companies than for the outfits with a more conventional operating model. I think that if Salem and others (I didn't notice Beasley on the list, but I think it, too, derives a disproportionate share of revenues from the sale of time to independent program producers) had more typical revenue/profit models, they would appear a good deal higher in the revenue-per-station rankings. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: Small markets versus large markets > The current issue of /Radio World/ includes a summary from BIA of the > 2005 revenues for the top 25 media companies. While they didn't do > the math, I thought it would be interesting to compare companies by > revenue per station. This makes it very obvious how the companies are > weighted with respect to market size; a few companies average as little > as $1 million per station -- which, while not pocket change, isn't > much for a top-25 group. Here's how they ranked in my > reinterpretation of BIA's results: > > # Company $M/station > 1 ABC 17.4 (inc. only stations sold to Citadel) > 2 Emmis 12.9 > 3 CBS 12.5 > 4 Greater Media 9.8 > 5 Bonneville 9.6 > 6 SBS 9.4 > 7 Jefferson-Pilot 8.7 (now Lincoln Financial Media) > 8 Cumulus Media Partners 7.3 > 9 Sandusky 6.4 > 10 Cox 6.2 > 11 Radio One 5.6 > 12 Univision 5.2 > 13 Entercom 4.7 > 14 Inner City 3.5 > 15 Beasley 3.1 > 16 Clear Channel 3.0 > 17 Journal 2.2 > 18 Entravision 2.0 > 19 Salem 1.9 > 20 Citadel 1.9 > 21 Saga 1.5 > 22 NextMedia 1.4 > 23 Multicultural 1.4 > 24 Regent 1.2 > 25 Cumulus Broadcasting 1.0 > > Sandusky is the smallest group on BIA's list, with only ten stations. > That's probably small enough to discount them as being too small a > sample. (If it were included, WEAZ-FM Radio Inc. would easily be > number one, but that would be apples to oranges, comparing a single > station -- WBEB (101.1B Philadelphia) -- against an entire group of > stations.) > > According to BIA, Clear Channel (#1) bills $1 billion more than CBS > (#2) -- but it takes CCU 1,000 more stations to do it. If I were an > investor,[1] I'm not sure I'd judge that a success. > > -GAWollman > > [1] I actually am an investor, generally speaking, but I don't own > stock in any U.S. broadcasting companies and consider them to be a bad > investment at present. This message is not intended as, and should > not be construed as, investment advice. Your mileage may vary. Void > where prohibited. Not available in New Jersey. Prices subject to > dealer participation. Objects in mirror may be closer than they > appear. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 07:25:24 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:25:24 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) References: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001d01c6ae4a$b69a0d40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Bob Bittner's WJIB 740. Where have you been? Hard to imagine that any regular reader of this list doesn't know that. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A." To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:35 AM Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) > hello all > > I was driving down Concord Ave in Cambridge and saw a single tower in the > middle of a self-storage facility at this location.. > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address= Fern%20St%20%26%20Field%20St&city=Cambridge&state=MA&zipcode=02138&country=U S&geodiff=1 > > Anyone know what station it is? > > Don > From radiotest@cox.net Sun Jul 23 08:02:10 2006 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:02:10 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter? ;-) In-Reply-To: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <036a01c6ae11$7b7e7540$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060723075545.03486498@cox.net> At 12:35 AM 7/23/2006, Don A. wrote: >I was driving down Concord Ave in Cambridge and saw a single tower in the >middle of a self-storage facility at this location.. > >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=Fern%20St%20%26%20Field%20St&city=Cambridge&state=MA&zipcode=02138&country=US&geodiff=1 > >Anyone know what station it is? Bob Nelson and Doug Drown nailed it - it is indeed WJIB. For those of you who have not used them, the AM, FM and TV query pages on the FCC site are very useful: AM - http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html FM - http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html TV - http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/tvq.html In the "Output" pick list choose the detailed output to get the most information, including maps locating a station's transmitter site at three scales of resolution. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 23 12:43:00 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <008601c6adc0$d24b15a0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44C36ED4.29962.35B253@localhost> On 22 Jul 2006 at 14:58, Doug Drown wrote: > Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand > that WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back > around 1960 or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in > the past thirty years; with each change in ownership, have the other > networks tried to wrest it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . > Why ABC? It gives the network a very advantageous toehold in the > state. (I guess if I were an exec with Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer > right there.) When we moved to Bedford, MA in 1957, WMUR-TV was even then an ABC affiliate. I don't think it's ever been anything else. At that time, before channel 5 was on the air in Boston, and long before channel 6 in New Bedford, it was the only ABC-affiliated station around, and its signal reached at least the northern suburbs of Boston (in the early 70s, I used to be able to get it rather well in Brookline, at the apartment where I lived at that time). At the time, ABC also had a lighter schedule than the other two networks -- for awhile they had hardly any daytime programming at all -- which left room for local and syndicated programming. Even after Channel 5 came on, Channel 9 often had programming that wasn't available anywhere else in the Boston area. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 14:07:51 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:07:51 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) Message-ID: <00ef01c6ae82$ea55a260$2e01a8c0@pastor2> From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 14:09:36 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:09:36 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) Message-ID: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> While we're on the subject of radio towers, here are a couple of good trivia questions (and no, I don't know the answers): 1. What is the tallest tower (or set of towers) for a 5 kW regional station in New England? 2. What is the oldest tower for same? (I'm guessing WFEA, but I really don't know.) -Doug From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 23 12:43:00 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <009a01c6ae03$bec452b0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> On 22 Jul 2006 at 22:57, Doug Drown wrote: > Does anyone know why channel 5 didn't remain a Worcester allotment? > It has always struck me as odd that the traditionally-second-largest > city in New England has never had a VHF station that is a major > network affiliate. I would have thought that the FCC would especially > have given consideration to that when it forced the Herald Traveler to > divest itself of WHDH-TV. -Doug One of the things emphasized when the WHDH-V license was set aside was that there would be no interruption of service to the public. I can just imagine the public outcry if the Boston area had lost a station. And besides, for as long as the channel 5 allocation was in Worcester, did anyone want to build a station there? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 14:55:35 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:55:35 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> My guess is WVAA 1390 in Burlington VT. Despite the station's high-on-the-dial frequency, its 5/8-wave tower, at 442', is about 10' taller than the three 87-degree towers of nearby WDEV 550. WFEA's Blaw-Knox tower at 175.5 degrees is only about 360' tall. It may once have been taller. Many of those old Blaw-Knox towers went up before the optimal electrical length of medium-wave towers had been determined. Blaw-Knox equipped these with adjustable-height flagpoles at the top. I checked WGAN; its 71-degree towers aren't even close, nor are WEZE's ~340-footers. WTAG's towers are slightly taller than WEZE's but still well shy of 400'. WVMT's towers are 400', as is one of WZON's and both of WHJJ's. No need to check WICC or the Pawtucket 550, since they don't run 5 kW (the question limited the contest to 5-kW regional-channel stations), and I'm pretty sure that Pawtucket's towers are relatively short, partly because they are top-loaded. Same is true of WHYN and WGIR. WGIR's towers ARE unusual though; they are both self-supporting AND guyed--a very rare combination. The guys probably have nothing to do with structural support; the top portion of the guy wires forms a top load for these very closely spaced towers (~45 degrees). The close spacing is also unusual and not generally thought of as good design practice. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) > While we're on the subject of radio towers, here are a couple of good trivia > questions (and no, I don't know the answers): > 1. What is the tallest tower (or set of towers) for a 5 kW regional > station in New England? > > 2. What is the oldest tower for same? (I'm guessing WFEA, but I really > don't know.) > > -Doug > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 15:10:59 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <44C36ED4.29962.35B253@localhost> Message-ID: <002301c6ae8b$c091b6e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Early in the life of Channel 9, George B Storer (best known as an (AM) radio mogul) wanted to buy WMUR-TV and move its transmitting tower to Georgetown MA on the North Shore, making the station into a Boston-maket station. Untill the Channel 5 competition was straigtened out, Channel 9 would have been Boston's third network affiliate and presumably would have retained the ABC affiliation because ABC was then decidedly the least desirable network and the northerly transmitter site would have made Channel 9 the market's poorest VHF facility. (Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a site closer to Boston.) I'm not sure which of many possible reasons was responsible for the demise of the Channel 9 move, but I'm sure that Scott and/or Donna can enlighten us. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > On 22 Jul 2006 at 14:58, Doug Drown wrote: > > > Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand > > that WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back > > around 1960 or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in > > the past thirty years; with each change in ownership, have the other > > networks tried to wrest it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . > > Why ABC? It gives the network a very advantageous toehold in the > > state. (I guess if I were an exec with Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer > > right there.) > > When we moved to Bedford, MA in 1957, WMUR-TV was even then an ABC > affiliate. I don't think it's ever been anything else. At that > time, before channel 5 was on the air in Boston, and long before > channel 6 in New Bedford, it was the only ABC-affiliated station > around, and its signal reached at least the northern suburbs of > Boston (in the early 70s, I used to be able to get it rather well in > Brookline, at the apartment where I lived at that time). > > At the time, ABC also had a lighter schedule than the other two > networks -- for awhile they had hardly any daytime programming at > all -- which left room for local and syndicated programming. Even > after Channel 5 came on, Channel 9 often had programming that wasn't > available anywhere else in the Boston area. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 15:17:09 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:17:09 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Wow. Thanks! Where'd you get all this information? -Doug P.S.: Still no word on the oldest. I'm still thinking WFEA, though WZON (nee WLBZ) is a possibility too. It sticks in my mind that WZON's major tower (affectionately called "Bertha," I'm told,) was built when the station moved from Dover-Foxcroft to Bangor in 1929. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Tower hunter (cont'd) > My guess is WVAA 1390 in Burlington VT. Despite the station's > high-on-the-dial frequency, its 5/8-wave tower, at 442', is about 10' taller > than the three 87-degree towers of nearby WDEV 550. WFEA's Blaw-Knox tower > at 175.5 degrees is only about 360' tall. It may once have been taller. Many > of those old Blaw-Knox towers went up before the optimal electrical length > of medium-wave towers had been determined. Blaw-Knox equipped these with > adjustable-height flagpoles at the top. I checked WGAN; its 71-degree towers > aren't even close, nor are WEZE's ~340-footers. WTAG's towers are slightly > taller than WEZE's but still well shy of 400'. WVMT's towers are 400', as is > one of WZON's and both of WHJJ's. No need to check WICC or the Pawtucket > 550, since they don't run 5 kW (the question limited the contest to 5-kW > regional-channel stations), and I'm pretty sure that Pawtucket's towers are > relatively short, partly because they are top-loaded. Same is true of WHYN > and WGIR. WGIR's towers ARE unusual though; they are both self-supporting > AND guyed--a very rare combination. The guys probably have nothing to do > with structural support; the top portion of the guy wires forms a top load > for these very closely spaced towers (~45 degrees). The close spacing is > also unusual and not generally thought of as good design practice. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Drown" > To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:09 PM > Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) > > > > While we're on the subject of radio towers, here are a couple of good > trivia > > questions (and no, I don't know the answers): > > 1. What is the tallest tower (or set of towers) for a 5 kW regional > > station in New England? > > > > 2. What is the oldest tower for same? (I'm guessing WFEA, but I really > > don't know.) > > > > -Doug > > > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 15:48:42 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:48:42 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <44C36ED4.29962.35B253@localhost> <002301c6ae8b$c091b6e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <011f01c6ae91$013884d0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <<(Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a site closer to Boston.)>> Dan, could you explain this, please? I'm certain it has something to do with frequency technicalities, but I'm a layman. If Channel 9 couldn't move to the Boston area because of geographical proximity to Channel 10, then how could Channel 5 be established in Boston, given its proximity to Channel 4? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Doug Drown" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > Early in the life of Channel 9, George B Storer (best known as an (AM) radio > mogul) wanted to buy WMUR-TV and move its transmitting tower to Georgetown > MA on the North Shore, making the station into a Boston-maket station. > Untill the Channel 5 competition was straigtened out, Channel 9 would have > been Boston's third network affiliate and presumably would have retained the > ABC affiliation because ABC was then decidedly the least desirable network > and the northerly transmitter site would have made Channel 9 the market's > poorest VHF facility. (Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a > site closer to Boston.) I'm not sure which of many possible reasons was > responsible for the demise of the Channel 9 move, but I'm sure that Scott > and/or Donna can enlighten us. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > > > > On 22 Jul 2006 at 14:58, Doug Drown wrote: > > > > > Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand > > > that WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back > > > around 1960 or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in > > > the past thirty years; with each change in ownership, have the other > > > networks tried to wrest it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . > > > Why ABC? It gives the network a very advantageous toehold in the > > > state. (I guess if I were an exec with Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer > > > right there.) > > > > When we moved to Bedford, MA in 1957, WMUR-TV was even then an ABC > > affiliate. I don't think it's ever been anything else. At that > > time, before channel 5 was on the air in Boston, and long before > > channel 6 in New Bedford, it was the only ABC-affiliated station > > around, and its signal reached at least the northern suburbs of > > Boston (in the early 70s, I used to be able to get it rather well in > > Brookline, at the apartment where I lived at that time). > > > > At the time, ABC also had a lighter schedule than the other two > > networks -- for awhile they had hardly any daytime programming at > > all -- which left room for local and syndicated programming. Even > > after Channel 5 came on, Channel 9 often had programming that wasn't > > available anywhere else in the Boston area. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 23 15:56:10 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:56:10 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork In-Reply-To: <011f01c6ae91$013884d0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> References: <44C36ED4.29962.35B253@localhost> <002301c6ae8b$c091b6e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011f01c6ae91$013884d0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44C3D45A.1070609@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > <<(Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a > site closer to Boston.)>> > > Dan, could you explain this, please? I'm certain it has something to do > with frequency technicalities, but I'm a layman. If Channel 9 couldn't move > to the Boston area because of geographical proximity to Channel 10, then how > could Channel 5 be established in Boston, given its proximity to Channel 4? 4 and 5 are not adjacent channels. There's a 4 MHz space between them. 4 is 66-72 MHz, while 5 is 76-82 MHz. s From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Jul 23 16:23:19 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:23:19 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) In-Reply-To: <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <17603.55991.602470.854204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > P.S.: Still no word on the oldest. I'm still thinking WFEA, though WZON > (nee WLBZ) is a possibility too. It sticks in my mind that WZON's major > tower (affectionately called "Bertha," I'm told,) was built when the station > moved from Dover-Foxcroft to Bangor in 1929. The Antenna Structure Registration database shows 33 towers in New England which were built before 1941. They are: 1933-01-01 WICC 1933-01-01 Yankee/Armstrong tower, Paxton 1934-01-01 WDRC 1938-01-01 WATR 1939-01-01 101 West St., Springfield 1939-01-01 WTIC 1939-03-30 WTAG 1940-01-01 WEEI 1940-01-01 WHJJ 1940-01-01 WKNE 1940-01-01 WMKI 1940-01-01 WRKO 1940-07-27 WBZ 1940-09-01 WZAN (Directional arrays have been merged. A date of January 1 should be taken to mean "date unknown".) Here are the dates for 1941 to 1951, by the way: 1941-02-01 WGIR 1941-10-01 WTAG tower 4 1945-01-01 910 New Britain, whatever its current calls may be 1946-01-01 WACE 1946-01-01 WKXL 1947-01-01 WGGB-TV 1947-01-01 WLAM 1947-06-10 WRIB 1947-09-01 WSKI 1947-12-01 WEZF stl tower 1948-01-01 WHYN 1948-01-01 WILD (former) 1948-01-01 WJAR 1948-01-01 WJIB 1948-01-01 WPRO-FM 1948-01-01 WROL 1948-01-01 WSRS aux tower, Paxton 1949-07-01 WXNI 1949-08-01 WBSM 1950-01-01 990 Providence, whatever it is now 1950-01-01 WBZ aux tower, Brighton 1950-03-01 WEIM 1951-01-01 WPRO 1951-01-01 WUNR For the entire U.S., you have these early towers: 1923-01-01 KBPS (doubtful) 1924-10-01 WNDE 1925-01-01 KGO tower 1 1925-01-01 WJBC 1925-02-01 WKBF 1926-12-01 WWVA 1927-01-01 Boone (Iowa) Biblical Ministries 1927-01-01 KGHL tower 1 1928-01-01 WIVK -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 16:24:15 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:24:15 -0400 Subject: MyTV joins MyNetwork References: <44C36ED4.29962.35B253@localhost> <002301c6ae8b$c091b6e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011f01c6ae91$013884d0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001301c6ae95$fd4119a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Channels 4 and 5 are not adjacant in frequency. There is a band of 4 MHz (2/3 the "width" of a US TV channel) between them. I forget the use of that 4-MHz band, but I'm sure that a BUNCH of people will jump in to explain. Anyhow, all over North America are cities to which both Channels 4 and 5 are assigned (New York and Los Angeles are just two of them). You wont find any other channel pairs except for 6 and 7 and 13 and 14 of which that is true. There are much bigger gaps between 6 and 7 (88 MHz) and 13 and 14 (294 MHz, I believe). As you probably know, those large gaps are anything but vacant. Among other uses, FM occupies the 20 MHz immediately above Channel 6. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > <<(Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a > site closer to Boston.)>> > > Dan, could you explain this, please? I'm certain it has something to do > with frequency technicalities, but I'm a layman. If Channel 9 couldn't move > to the Boston area because of geographical proximity to Channel 10, then how > could Channel 5 be established in Boston, given its proximity to Channel 4? > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Doug Drown" > ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Donna Halper" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > > > > Early in the life of Channel 9, George B Storer (best known as an (AM) > radio > > mogul) wanted to buy WMUR-TV and move its transmitting tower to Georgetown > > MA on the North Shore, making the station into a Boston-maket station. > > Untill the Channel 5 competition was straigtened out, Channel 9 would have > > been Boston's third network affiliate and presumably would have retained > the > > ABC affiliation because ABC was then decidedly the least desirable network > > and the northerly transmitter site would have made Channel 9 the market's > > poorest VHF facility. (Proximity to Channel 10 in Providence precluded a > > site closer to Boston.) I'm not sure which of many possible reasons was > > responsible for the demise of the Channel 9 move, but I'm sure that Scott > > and/or Donna can enlighten us. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > To: "Doug Drown" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:43 PM > > Subject: Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork > > > > > > > On 22 Jul 2006 at 14:58, Doug Drown wrote: > > > > > > > Good question --- and one which raises a couple more. I understand > > > > that WMUR-TV was originally a CBS affiliate, but switched to ABC back > > > > around 1960 or thereabouts. The station has changed hands twice in > > > > the past thirty years; with each change in ownership, have the other > > > > networks tried to wrest it away from that ABC affiliation? And . . . > > > > Why ABC? It gives the network a very advantageous toehold in the > > > > state. (I guess if I were an exec with Disney/ABC, I'd have my answer > > > > right there.) > > > > > > When we moved to Bedford, MA in 1957, WMUR-TV was even then an ABC > > > affiliate. I don't think it's ever been anything else. At that > > > time, before channel 5 was on the air in Boston, and long before > > > channel 6 in New Bedford, it was the only ABC-affiliated station > > > around, and its signal reached at least the northern suburbs of > > > Boston (in the early 70s, I used to be able to get it rather well in > > > Brookline, at the apartment where I lived at that time). > > > > > > At the time, ABC also had a lighter schedule than the other two > > > networks -- for awhile they had hardly any daytime programming at > > > all -- which left room for local and syndicated programming. Even > > > after Channel 5 came on, Channel 9 often had programming that wasn't > > > available anywhere else in the Boston area. > > > > > > -- > > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Jul 23 16:54:11 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:54:11 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) In-Reply-To: <17603.55991.602470.854204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <17603.55991.602470.854204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <17603.57843.932986.204134@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > 1941-02-01 WGIR > 1941-10-01 WTAG tower 4 [big gap] > 1945-01-01 910 New Britain, whatever its current calls may be For the curious, the following current facilities were built during World War II: 1942-01-01 KABC 1942-01-01 KADA 1942-01-01 KFEQ 1942-01-01 WBBM (main and aux) 1942-01-01 WHKY 1942-01-01 WKZO 1942-01-01 WMBS I have no doubt that all of these were built or at least had steel on hand before Pearl Harbor. Only a few, in this interpretation, were built during the war proper: 1942-04-01 #1241301 in Bartlesville, Oklahoma (KWON?) 1943-01-01 KXEL 1943-12-01 WABC 1944-01-01 A five-tower array including #1023871 in Broadview Hts., Ohio 1944-01-01 WXEG Now I know that WNAX's day tower was built during the war, but for some reason, ASRS says it was constructed in 1991. There are probably others that are missing from this list for similar reasons. (For example, the WLW tower was built before the war, but doesn't show up because it was modified in 1979.) Most if not all of these were probably built after the war ended (at least in Europe): 1945-01-01 #1010770 in Stallings, Illinois (owned by CBS but what?) 1945-01-01 #1049882 in Marshall, Minn. (KMHL?) 1945-01-01 #1052779 in Fairfield, Ohio 1945-01-01 #1224192 in Albany, Georgia 1945-01-01 A three-tower array including #1234261 in Merced, California 1945-01-01 Starboard's station in Poynette, Wisconsin 1945-01-01 WHAM 1945-01-01 WJOB 1945-01-01 WSBT 1945-01-01 WSCR 1945-06-01 WTKS -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 16:57:23 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:57:23 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2><000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <002e01c6ae9a$ae5a7c00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The info comes from Bob Carpenter's AMSTNS, a program you can download for free. Just Google "AMSTNS download" (without the quotation marks). AMSTNS is a DOS application that runs fine in a DOS window under Windows. AMSTNS in turn gets the info from the FCC's CDBS database. CDBS data is available at the AM Query page at www.fcc.gov, but I find AM Query much less convenient to use than AMSTNS. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Tower hunter (cont'd) > Wow. Thanks! Where'd you get all this information? > -Doug > > P.S.: Still no word on the oldest. I'm still thinking WFEA, though WZON > (nee WLBZ) is a possibility too. It sticks in my mind that WZON's major > tower (affectionately called "Bertha," I'm told,) was built when the station > moved from Dover-Foxcroft to Bangor in 1929. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: Tower hunter (cont'd) > > > > My guess is WVAA 1390 in Burlington VT. Despite the station's > > high-on-the-dial frequency, its 5/8-wave tower, at 442', is about 10' > taller > > than the three 87-degree towers of nearby WDEV 550. WFEA's Blaw-Knox tower > > at 175.5 degrees is only about 360' tall. It may once have been taller. > Many > > of those old Blaw-Knox towers went up before the optimal electrical length > > of medium-wave towers had been determined. Blaw-Knox equipped these with > > adjustable-height flagpoles at the top. I checked WGAN; its 71-degree > towers > > aren't even close, nor are WEZE's ~340-footers. WTAG's towers are slightly > > taller than WEZE's but still well shy of 400'. WVMT's towers are 400', as > is > > one of WZON's and both of WHJJ's. No need to check WICC or the Pawtucket > > 550, since they don't run 5 kW (the question limited the contest to 5-kW > > regional-channel stations), and I'm pretty sure that Pawtucket's towers > are > > relatively short, partly because they are top-loaded. Same is true of WHYN > > and WGIR. WGIR's towers ARE unusual though; they are both self-supporting > > AND guyed--a very rare combination. The guys probably have nothing to do > > with structural support; the top portion of the guy wires forms a top load > > for these very closely spaced towers (~45 degrees). The close spacing is > > also unusual and not generally thought of as good design practice. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Drown" > > To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:09 PM > > Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) > > > > > > > While we're on the subject of radio towers, here are a couple of good > > trivia > > > questions (and no, I don't know the answers): > > > 1. What is the tallest tower (or set of towers) for a 5 kW regional > > > station in New England? > > > > > > 2. What is the oldest tower for same? (I'm guessing WFEA, but I > really > > > don't know.) > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 23 16:45:22 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:45:22 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2><000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg><011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <17603.55991.602470.854204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001e01c6ae98$f52bfac0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, so much for the idea that, when WORL (now WROL) returned to the air under new ownership after its license suspension for unauthorized transfer of control, it used not only the Saugus site that had been abandoned by the old WHDH (now WEEI), but it also used one of the old WHDH towers. WORL DID use the former WHDH site and transmitter building but apparently WHDH removed the old towers when it moved to Needham and increased to 50 kW. It sure would be interesting to find out the history of the towers that have stood at the WROL site over the years. I have long suspected that WHDH's two towers originally supported a long wire and were converted to a DA when the station was granted night authority sometime in the '30s. (AFAIK, WHDH was the first US AM to be licensed to operate nights on a frequency that had 'till then been a Class IA Channel.) However I can find no information that either confirms or discredits the long-wire-to-DA-conversion idea and apparently nobody who would remember is still living. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Tower hunter (cont'd) > < said: > > > P.S.: Still no word on the oldest. I'm still thinking WFEA, though WZON > > (nee WLBZ) is a possibility too. It sticks in my mind that WZON's major > > tower (affectionately called "Bertha," I'm told,) was built when the station > > moved from Dover-Foxcroft to Bangor in 1929. > > The Antenna Structure Registration database shows 33 towers in New > England which were built before 1941. They are: > > 1933-01-01 WICC > 1933-01-01 Yankee/Armstrong tower, Paxton > 1934-01-01 WDRC > 1938-01-01 WATR > 1939-01-01 101 West St., Springfield > 1939-01-01 WTIC > 1939-03-30 WTAG > 1940-01-01 WEEI > 1940-01-01 WHJJ > 1940-01-01 WKNE > 1940-01-01 WMKI > 1940-01-01 WRKO > 1940-07-27 WBZ > 1940-09-01 WZAN > > (Directional arrays have been merged. A date of January 1 should be > taken to mean "date unknown".) > > Here are the dates for 1941 to 1951, by the way: > > 1941-02-01 WGIR > 1941-10-01 WTAG tower 4 > 1945-01-01 910 New Britain, whatever its current calls may be > 1946-01-01 WACE > 1946-01-01 WKXL > 1947-01-01 WGGB-TV > 1947-01-01 WLAM > 1947-06-10 WRIB > 1947-09-01 WSKI > 1947-12-01 WEZF stl tower > 1948-01-01 WHYN > 1948-01-01 WILD (former) > 1948-01-01 WJAR > 1948-01-01 WJIB > 1948-01-01 WPRO-FM > 1948-01-01 WROL > 1948-01-01 WSRS aux tower, Paxton > 1949-07-01 WXNI > 1949-08-01 WBSM > 1950-01-01 990 Providence, whatever it is now > 1950-01-01 WBZ aux tower, Brighton > 1950-03-01 WEIM > 1951-01-01 WPRO > 1951-01-01 WUNR > > For the entire U.S., you have these early towers: > > 1923-01-01 KBPS (doubtful) > 1924-10-01 WNDE > 1925-01-01 KGO tower 1 > 1925-01-01 WJBC > 1925-02-01 WKBF > 1926-12-01 WWVA > 1927-01-01 Boone (Iowa) Biblical Ministries > 1927-01-01 KGHL tower 1 > 1928-01-01 WIVK > > -GAWollman > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 23 20:17:06 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:17:06 -0400 Subject: Tower hunter (cont'd) In-Reply-To: <17603.57843.932986.204134@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <00ff01c6ae83$28ba88e0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <000f01c6ae89$9b284ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <011101c6ae8c$9863f560$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <17603.55991.602470.854204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <17603.57843.932986.204134@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <44C41182.3090804@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Most if not all of these were probably built after the war ended (at > least in Europe): > > 1945-01-01 #1010770 in Stallings, Illinois (owned by CBS but what?) You've been there. I was standing there with you. It's one of "the 25" former I-A clears that we're still trying to finish seeing. I believe the locals call the area "Pontoon Beach," not "Stallings." And whatever was built there in 1945 most certainly is not there now, judging by the newish look of the tower that's currently standing. I tend to be rather distrustful of many of these dates. I'm pretty certain the FAA wasn't checking to see whether the dates of construction submitted by stations on their ASRN applications in the late nineties were spot-on correct, and knowing the state of archives at many of these stations, I strongly suspect a lot of these are just "best guesses." I know the 1/1/45 date for WHAM isn't right, just for starters. s > 1945-01-01 #1049882 in Marshall, Minn. (KMHL?) > 1945-01-01 #1052779 in Fairfield, Ohio > 1945-01-01 #1224192 in Albany, Georgia > 1945-01-01 A three-tower array including #1234261 in Merced, California > 1945-01-01 Starboard's station in Poynette, Wisconsin > 1945-01-01 WHAM > 1945-01-01 WJOB > 1945-01-01 WSBT > 1945-01-01 WSCR > 1945-06-01 WTKS s From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 23 21:54:33 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:54:33 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <20060724012704.70414.qmail@web50811.mail.yahoo.com> References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> Message-ID: <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> On 23 Jul 2006 at 18:27, Peter Q. George wrote: > Channel 5 as a Worcester allocation DID have an > applicant, The Worcester Telegram and Gazette. It was > to be WTAG-TV. BUT, Worcester, even in those early > days of TV was a "shadow market" and faithfully got > very strong signals from both Boston and Providence. > Channel 14 WWOR-TV in Worcester, an ABC/NBC/DuMont > station was bleeding money due to few UHF converters > (and the strong VHF's coming in throughout Worcester), > and left the air a couple of years after it's debut. I seem to remember a channel 14 from Worcester with different call letters, around the late 50s or early 60s, after Channel 5 came on in Boston. I don't remember the call letters, but I think there was a Z in it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 21:27:04 2006 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> Message-ID: <20060724012704.70414.qmail@web50811.mail.yahoo.com> Channel 5 as a Worcester allocation DID have an applicant, The Worcester Telegram and Gazette. It was to be WTAG-TV. BUT, Worcester, even in those early days of TV was a "shadow market" and faithfully got very strong signals from both Boston and Providence. Channel 14 WWOR-TV in Worcester, an ABC/NBC/DuMont station was bleeding money due to few UHF converters (and the strong VHF's coming in throughout Worcester), and left the air a couple of years after it's debut. WAAB-TV on Channel 20 was another CP that never saw the light of day. The TAG saw the writing on the wall and let their original Channel 5 CP lapse. The Herald Traveler (errrr.... WHDH Inc.) saw an opportunity in TV, first with a Channel 13 CP, but pounced upon the now vacant Channel 5 allocation in Worcester. Channel 13 was reallocated to Portland, ME and Channel 5 came home to Boston in 1957, in full color from day one. Worcester still had 14, 20, 27, 48 and 66 for possible channels. Channels 14 and 20 were reallocated (14 to land-mobile and 20 to Waterbury, CT in lieu of the original 53 for WATR). --- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > On 22 Jul 2006 at 22:57, Doug Drown wrote: > > > Does anyone know why channel 5 didn't remain a > Worcester allotment? > > It has always struck me as odd that the > traditionally-second-largest > > city in New England has never had a VHF station > that is a major > > network affiliate. I would have thought that the > FCC would especially > > have given consideration to that when it forced > the Herald Traveler to > > divest itself of WHDH-TV. -Doug > > One of the things emphasized when the WHDH-V license > was set aside > was that there would be no interruption of service > to the public. I > can just imagine the public outcry if the Boston > area had lost a > station. > > And besides, for as long as the channel 5 allocation > was in > Worcester, did anyone want to build a station there? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax > 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 23 22:17:30 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:17:30 -0600 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) Message-ID: > Channel 5 as a Worcester allocation DID have an applicant, The Worcester Telegram and Gazette. It was to be WTAG-TV.<< During my years at WSRS, when Norman Knight owned it, I found the original blueprints for the building, and there, above the main front door, was the call sign WTAG-TV. Some of the old-timers up there told me what happened: The WT&G became convinced that TV would never amount to anything, so they abandoned any plans to build it. They did the same thing with WTAG-FM (96.1), laboring under the same delusion, that FM wouldn't go anywhere. They sold it to Norman Knight for almost nothing. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 23 23:39:14 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:39:14 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44C408A2.13135.28E95D7@localhost> On 23 Jul 2006 at 23:23, Doug Drown wrote: > Just what the point was of all this is anyone's guess. As mentioned > earlier, Worcester was already being served by two other NBC > affiliates (4 and 10). I suspect Mr. Putnam may have seen WJZB as > something of an experimental springboard toward something with more > local programming and a more fulsome schedule. Unfortunately, it > didn't happen. Ironically, in Boston, at about the time WJZB went > dark, The Archdiocese of Boston put WIHS-TV (now WSBK) on the air, and > Kaiser/Globe's WKBG-TV (now WLVI) followed not long afterward. Both, > obviously, became successful. And Worcester itself, by the early > '70s, saw the advent of State Mutual's WSMW Channel 27 (now WUNI), > which seemed to have done modestly well for several years as an indie > with local newscasts and programming. If WJZB had hung in there a > little longer, it might have made it. Yes, now you've jogged my memory! It's too bad the WJBZ license apparently was relinquished. When WTAO-TV Channel 56 in Boston went dark in 1956, Harvey Laboratories kept the license, so that when UHF finally started to become viable, they at least had something to sell to Kaiser-Globe. By the mid-1960s the all-channel law had taken effect, and it was obvious that UHF's biggest problem -- nobody able to receive the signals -- was going to be solved. I remember knowing about WJBZ and looking for it when my parent bought a new TV with a UHF tuner some time in 1966 or 67, but by then it was gone. > When I served my first pastorate in the Athol area about ten years > later, I used to watch WRLP regularly. It carried the full NBC > schedule. Originally the station had been a repeater for WWLP, but by > the time I came to Royalston it was doing its own Greenfield-based > newscasts, and covered the Keene-Brattleboro-Greenfield-Athol region > really quite well. WRLP operated for many years, and was discontinued > in the late '70s, just as the region's population started growing. > I've often wondered why. Insufficient advertising revenue? The > advent of cable? Perhaps someone in this forum can fill us in. I've always wondered about that, too. I used to watch WRLP some of the time when I visited Western Massachusetts in the 1970s. That area is one of the few places in the country where UHF flourished somewhat before the all-channel bill. The Albany, NY area was another until, in the late 1950s, the two UHF stations got VHF allocations. But in both the Albany area and the Pioneer Valley, there was only one VHF station, and the UHF stations were able to get network affiliations, which motivated people to buy TV sets with UHF tuners. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 23 23:23:18 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:23:18 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> Message-ID: <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> << I seem to remember a channel 14 from Worcester with different call letters, around the late 50s or early 60s, after Channel 5 came on in Boston. I don't remember the call letters, but I think there was a Z in it.>> The call letters were WJZB. It was a reincarnated version, as it were, of WWOR, and operated briefly in the mid-'60s (around 1964-67-ish) as owner William L. Putnam (of Springfield's WWLP and Greenfield's WRLP)'s second attempt to get a UHF station established in Worcester. I remember it well. It signed on every weekday afternoon at around 5:00, and featured old half-hour B&W documentaries and what-not until the 6 P.M. newscast. If my memory is correct --- I can verify this by looking through a couple of old copies of the Telegram that I have from that period --- WJZB simulcasted WWLP's evening news and then followed it up with NBC's Huntley-Brinkley Report. After that, it went back to old documentaries and sitcoms until it signed off in mid-evening. I think the weekend schedule was a little longer; the station went on the air earlier in the afternoon. Just what the point was of all this is anyone's guess. As mentioned earlier, Worcester was already being served by two other NBC affiliates (4 and 10). I suspect Mr. Putnam may have seen WJZB as something of an experimental springboard toward something with more local programming and a more fulsome schedule. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. Ironically, in Boston, at about the time WJZB went dark, The Archdiocese of Boston put WIHS-TV (now WSBK) on the air, and Kaiser/Globe's WKBG-TV (now WLVI) followed not long afterward. Both, obviously, became successful. And Worcester itself, by the early '70s, saw the advent of State Mutual's WSMW Channel 27 (now WUNI), which seemed to have done modestly well for several years as an indie with local newscasts and programming. If WJZB had hung in there a little longer, it might have made it. When I served my first pastorate in the Athol area about ten years later, I used to watch WRLP regularly. It carried the full NBC schedule. Originally the station had been a repeater for WWLP, but by the time I came to Royalston it was doing its own Greenfield-based newscasts, and covered the Keene-Brattleboro-Greenfield-Athol region really quite well. WRLP operated for many years, and was discontinued in the late '70s, just as the region's population started growing. I've often wondered why. Insufficient advertising revenue? The advent of cable? Perhaps someone in this forum can fill us in. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Peter Q. George" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) > On 23 Jul 2006 at 18:27, Peter Q. George wrote: > > > Channel 5 as a Worcester allocation DID have an > > applicant, The Worcester Telegram and Gazette. It was > > to be WTAG-TV. BUT, Worcester, even in those early > > days of TV was a "shadow market" and faithfully got > > very strong signals from both Boston and Providence. > > Channel 14 WWOR-TV in Worcester, an ABC/NBC/DuMont > > station was bleeding money due to few UHF converters > > (and the strong VHF's coming in throughout Worcester), > > and left the air a couple of years after it's debut. > > I seem to remember a channel 14 from Worcester with different call > letters, around the late 50s or early 60s, after Channel 5 came on in > Boston. I don't remember the call letters, but I think there was a Z > in it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From hykker@grolen.com Mon Jul 24 07:22:53 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:22:53 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> Doug Drown wrote: > And >Worcester itself, by the early '70s, saw the advent of State Mutual's WSMW >Channel 27 (now WUNI), which seemed to have done modestly well for several >years as an indie with local newscasts and programming. If WJZB had hung in >there a little longer, it might have made it. Didn't 27 experiment with some sort of pay-tv system where the signal was scrambled and you needed a decoder at one point in the mid-late 70s? If you tried to watch without the decoder you got out-of-sync video, and an audio track that was a pitch for the pay service. From songbook2@comcast.net Mon Jul 24 09:12:31 2006 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:12:31 -0700 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower Message-ID: <44C4C73F.7070607@comcast.net> I do not live in Boston anymore, but I grew up there - 1933 to 1952. (I used to chase radio towers for fun, and would visit the studios!) The original WTAO 740AM tower in Cambridge in 1949 was at the Fresh Pond rotary circle site right on Concord Avenue, perhaps 150 feet from the curb. The little studio was in Frank Lyman's Harvey Radio labs, below the tower. (I can still visualize Billy Dale spinning those white label vinyl, promo 78rpm discs on "Dunkin' Donuts with Dale" in the morning!! Maybe that's where the donut chain got it's name?) There was a Chevrolet car dealership nearby the rotary circle on Concord Avenue (forgot the name, maybe it was Porter Chevrolet??) Anyway, I digress, now to the point of this post: Looking at the Google and MapQuest maps of the Fern and Field Streets to coordinate that tower location of WJIB today, it seems to me that the tower right on Concord Avenue was moved a block or so from the rotary circle that I remember in 1949? Is that the case, does anyone know? Or has that area in Cambridge just been over-developed and the roads have been changed or the land has new buildings with the tower remaining in the same spot built around them? It doesn't seem likely that the tower would be moved just a few hundred feet. Just asking. Thanks for the reply. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jul 24 08:58:22 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:58:22 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <003701c6af20$d8ae6580$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Steve: Yes, it did. I'm not sure whether State Mutual still owned the station at that point. The format didn't last long; I suspect the growing number of cable stations probably killed it. WHCT, RKO General's Channel 18 in Hartford, was the national pioneer with pay TV, if I recall, back in the '60s. It was an experiment that lasted several years. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) > Doug Drown wrote: > > And > >Worcester itself, by the early '70s, saw the advent of State Mutual's WSMW > >Channel 27 (now WUNI), which seemed to have done modestly well for several > >years as an indie with local newscasts and programming. If WJZB had hung in > >there a little longer, it might have made it. > > > Didn't 27 experiment with some sort of pay-tv system where the signal was > scrambled and you needed a decoder at one point in the mid-late 70s? If > you tried to watch without the decoder you got out-of-sync video, and an > audio track that was a pitch for the pay service. > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jul 24 09:14:16 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) References: Message-ID: <005301c6af23$11463dd0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> How many people in the early '60s did think that FM was going to go anywhere? It's amusing to think about it. When I was growing up in central Mass., there were quite a few FM stations out there, but most of them simulcasted their parent AMs' programming. There was, of course, WGBH, and there was a handful of commercial FM stations that played classical music (WBCN among them). WTAG-FM simulcasted WTAG during the day, then in the evening spun off and carried classical programming that originated at WQXR in New York. Does anyone remember Caspar Citron? The Telegram & Gazette, in its infinite wisdom, sold WTAG-FM at just the wrong time. WSRS, with its "beautiful music" format, was an almost instant success, became a pretty formidable competitor to the region's AMs, and was central New England's dominant FM station for many years thereafter. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) > > Channel 5 as a Worcester allocation DID have an applicant, The Worcester Telegram and Gazette. It was to be WTAG-TV.<< > > During my years at WSRS, when Norman Knight owned it, I found the original blueprints for the building, and there, above the main front door, was the call sign WTAG-TV. Some of the old-timers up there told me what happened: The WT&G became convinced that TV would never amount to anything, so they abandoned any plans to build it. They did the same thing with WTAG-FM (96.1), laboring under the same delusion, that FM wouldn't go anywhere. They sold it to Norman Knight for almost nothing. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > > From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Mon Jul 24 09:43:09 2006 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:43:09 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <44C4CE6D.9020507@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> On 7/24/06 7:22 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > Didn't 27 experiment with some sort of pay-tv system where the signal > was scrambled and you needed a decoder at one point in the mid-late > 70s? If you tried to watch without the decoder you got out-of-sync > video, and an audio track that was a pitch for the pay service. > Yes, as did Boston's Channel 68. Channel 27 subscribed to a service called Preview which signed on at 7 p.m. with movies a la HBO. The service ran into the early 80s, because there was still a market in Northern Worcester county in many towns in which the smaller cable operators could not feasibly service the outlying areas. IIRC, a co-worker who lived in Winchendon still had her Preview service in late 1981. The Channel 68 service was called Star. -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 24 09:46:22 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:46:22 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <44C4CF2E.6000106@cssinc.com> > > > Didn't 27 experiment with some sort of pay-tv system where the signal > was scrambled and you needed a decoder at one point in the mid-late > 70s? If you tried to watch without the decoder you got out-of-sync > video, and an audio track that was a pitch for the pay service. That was a short-lived phenomenon. Wasn't it called "Starz" or something like that? If I recall, they were undecoded during the day part with syndie programming then went to decode later in the day. On a separate note, I remember as an early teen I collected 16mm film (big surprise there). At the time all of the local TV stations used 16mm for commercials and PSA's. I sent letters to all of the local TV stations asking for old commercials. Most ignored me. A few sent a couple of lame PSA's. Channel 27 sent me a huge box of stuff. Some of my favorites: John Wayne PSA - "Beat Cancer - I did" Firestone 500's - the safest thing between you and the road Some kind of toaster from Panasonic that hermetically sealed in the toast as it was toasting resulting in "moist" toast. UGH. Joe Garigiola (sp? - former baseball catcher) - Chef Boyardee spaghetti and meatballs. I might actually still have some of the stuff somewhere. Too much stuff over the years. -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 24 10:37:49 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:37:49 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower References: <44C4C73F.7070607@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000b01c6af2e$c2143b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, I arrived in Cambridge in June of 1956. As far as I know, since that time, the tower has been just where it stands today. Did the traffic circle move? I doubt it, but it isn't impossible. At some point, the National Guard Armory went up on the opposite side of Concord Ave. I have no idea whether that was before or after June '56. The Armory building's appearance does not give me a clue. Maybe if I looked more closely I could find a cornerstone with a year engraved in it. Porter Chevrolet/Honda is not far away from WJIB (or it wasn't the last time I looked), but it's on Route 16 (Alewife Brook Parkway, I think), not on Concord Ave. Believe it or not, the appliance dealer, Sozio, was still on Concord Ave, right AT the circle, the last time I looked. I have not heard a Sozio commercial in years, but maybe I just don't listen to the right stations. Sozio...Sozio...gives you so much MORE...Sozio! BTW, I COULD believe that there have been major renovations to what was the Harvey Radio Labs building back in WTAO days. It is now a self-storage warehouse. Bob Bittner could probably give you a better picture of how the building has changed. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: ; "Russ Butler" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower > I do not live in Boston anymore, but I grew up there - 1933 to 1952. (I > used to chase radio towers for fun, and would visit the studios!) The > original WTAO 740AM tower in Cambridge in 1949 was at the Fresh Pond > rotary circle site right on Concord Avenue, perhaps 150 feet from the > curb. The little studio was in Frank Lyman's Harvey Radio labs, below > the tower. (I can still visualize Billy Dale spinning those white label > vinyl, promo 78rpm discs on "Dunkin' Donuts with Dale" in the morning!! > Maybe that's where the donut chain got it's name?) There was a > Chevrolet car dealership nearby the rotary circle on Concord Avenue > (forgot the name, maybe it was Porter Chevrolet??) Anyway, I digress, > now to the point of this post: > > Looking at the Google and MapQuest maps of the Fern and Field Streets to > coordinate that tower location of WJIB today, it seems to me that the > tower right on Concord Avenue was moved a block or so from the rotary > circle that I remember in 1949? Is that the case, does anyone know? > Or has that area in Cambridge just been over-developed and the roads > have been changed or the land has new buildings with the tower remaining > in the same spot built around them? It doesn't seem likely that the > tower would be moved just a few hundred feet. Just asking. > > Thanks for the reply. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jul 24 11:37:05 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:37:05 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <44C4CE6D.9020507@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <44C36ED4.7235.35B2F0@localhost> <44C3F019.1839.22EBB86@localhost> <001301c6aed0$82b5a210$2e01a8c0@pastor2> <6.0.3.0.0.20060724071952.01b3d830@pop3.grolen.com> <44C4CE6D.9020507@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060724113414.0349ad68@mac.com> At 09:43 AM 7/24/2006 7/24/2006, Tony Abruzzese wrote: >On 7/24/06 7:22 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> >>Didn't 27 experiment with some sort of pay-tv system where the >>signal was scrambled and you needed a decoder at one point in the >>mid-late 70s? If you tried to watch without the decoder you got >>out-of-sync video, and an audio track that was a pitch for the pay service. >Yes, as did Boston's Channel 68. Channel 27 subscribed to a service >called Preview which signed on at 7 p.m. with movies a la HBO. I recall late at night Ch 68 had movies you would never see on HBO, stuff that approached hard-core porn. Without a box you still had a pretty good idea of what was going on. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jul 24 15:53:50 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:53:50 -0400 Subject: Loren & Wally's 25th - Anybody Wanna Roll Tape? Message-ID: <200607241553.AA2288975904@mail.ttlc.net> Tuesday morning (7/25), Loren & Wally celebrate 25 years. Mayor Menino expected to weigh in. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 24 17:05:34 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:05:34 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation (was Re: MyTV joins MyNetwork) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060724113414.0349ad68@mac.com> Message-ID: <000601c6af64$e8a78180$6800a8c0@Andrastea> called Preview which signed on at 7 p.m. with movies a la HBO. > > I recall late at night Ch 68 had movies you would never see on HBO, > stuff that approached hard-core porn. Without a box you still had a > pretty good idea of what was going on. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > I recall thinking that it kind of looked like sex for aliens. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Ofc: +1-978-538-7575 Fax: +1-978-538-7550 From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Jul 24 20:11:46 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:11:46 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation Message-ID: <38CB9354-C425-4748-AB60-FF2697FAF18D@mac.com> On Jul 23, 2006, at 11:39 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I remember knowing about WJBZ and looking for it when my parent > bought a new TV with a UHF tuner some time in 1966 or 67, but by then > it was gone. When I was a kid, my father took me on a visit to the WJZB facility on Asnebumskit Hill in Paxton. Their days of newscasts were long gone, but the studio still remained, and they still had the graphics for weather forecast from the final broadcast. Someone stored their motorboat in the middle of the studio. At that time they were down to about a 4 hour broadcast day. Somehow they had the rights to NBC News to start the day at 6:30 PM. Then they would show ancient syndicated TV shows, some from Australia, repeating the exact same episodes two nights in a row. I only remember one commercial ever broadcast on the station, for Chef Boy-Ar-Dee. Sometime around 10 PM, they signed off, and I don't think they broadcast on weekends at all. Here's a webpage of WJZB history: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/ Olympus/3514/wjzb.html I never thought I'd see that logo again. :) Mark From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jul 24 21:26:58 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:26:58 -0400 Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation Message-ID: <200607242126.AA69861406@mail.ttlc.net> Mark Laurence wrote >Here's a webpage of WJZB history: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/ >Olympus/3514/wjzb.html I think we just ate all the bandwidth that site has allocated for the day. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 25 00:22:45 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:22:45 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: <000b01c6af2e$c2143b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> On 24 Jul 2006 at 10:37, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Believe it or not, the appliance dealer, > Sozio, was still on Concord Ave, right AT the circle, the last time I > looked. I have not heard a Sozio commercial in years, but maybe I just > don't listen to the right stations. Sozio...Sozio...gives you so much > MORE...Sozio! I think that's now a dog-washing business with a cutesy name that I can't remember right now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 03:24:15 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:24:15 -0400 Subject: Loren & Wally's 25th - Anybody Wanna Roll Tape? In-Reply-To: <200607241553.AA2288975904@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200607241553.AA2288975904@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607250024s149449ap716e31ffe5b2cfde@mail.gmail.com> I can roll tape from 6:30 am to 9:30 am (setting timer--I sleep late) and give people a way to download via Sendspace.com...email me if interested. On 7/24/06, rogerkirk wrote: > Tuesday morning (7/25), Loren & Wally celebrate 25 years. Mayor Menino expected to weigh in. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 25 05:55:55 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:55:55 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower References: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> Message-ID: <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Would that be the outfit that held a dog wash to benefit some charity at a tony hotel in Cambridge a weekend or two ago and promoted it heavily on WKOXKS and the WKOXKS Web site? If so, I think the name is LaundroMutt. It is a cutesy name. I bet that you couldn't reach the hotel on the day of the dog wash because of all of the Volvos with dogs inside lined up to have the dogs washed. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: WTAO / WJIB tower > On 24 Jul 2006 at 10:37, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > Believe it or not, the appliance dealer, > > Sozio, was still on Concord Ave, right AT the circle, the last time I > > looked. I have not heard a Sozio commercial in years, but maybe I just > > don't listen to the right stations. Sozio...Sozio...gives you so much > > MORE...Sozio! > > I think that's now a dog-washing business with a cutesy name that I > can't remember right now. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Tue Jul 25 07:19:39 2006 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:19:39 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44C5FE4B.7080007@nycap.rr.com> For a picture of the place, see http://www.laundromutt.com/MuttAbout01.html. For some strange reason, these places are popping up in tony suburbs and young urban wealth centers throughout the country. I'd rather go to an appliance store, myself, than pay $5-22 for the pleasure of washing my own dog... Dan Strassberg wrote: > Would that be the outfit that held a dog wash to benefit some charity at a > tony hotel in Cambridge a weekend or two ago and promoted it heavily on > WKOXKS and the WKOXKS Web site? If so, I think the name is LaundroMutt. It > is a cutesy name. I bet that you couldn't reach the hotel on the day of the > dog wash because of all of the Volvos with dogs inside lined up to have the > dogs washed. > > - From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jul 25 07:32:04 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:32:04 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44C60134.2060900@cssinc.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Would that be the outfit that held a dog wash to benefit some charity at a > tony hotel in Cambridge a weekend or two ago and promoted it heavily on > WKOXKS and the WKOXKS Web site? If so, I think the name is LaundroMutt. It > is a cutesy name. I bet that you couldn't reach the hotel on the day of the > dog wash because of all of the Volvos with dogs inside lined up to have the > dogs washed. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Dan Strassberg" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:22 AM > Subject: Re: WTAO / WJIB tower > > > >> On 24 Jul 2006 at 10:37, Dan Strassberg wrote: >> >> >>> Believe it or not, the appliance dealer, >>> Sozio, was still on Concord Ave, right AT the circle, the last time I >>> looked. I have not heard a Sozio commercial in years, but maybe I just >>> don't listen to the right stations. Sozio...Sozio...gives you so much >>> MORE...Sozio! >>> >> I think that's now a dog-washing business with a cutesy name that I >> can't remember right now. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 >> Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> > > > Personally I thought the name of the one that I saw a few days ago out on Route 2 was better; "Dirty Dogs Done Dirt Cheap" (a play on an AC/DC song "Dirty Deeds Don Dirt Cheap". Brian -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 25 08:39:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:39:08 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower References: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <44C60134.2060900@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <002601c6afe7$58e8dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Umm, doesn't that depend on what the definition of "done" is? ;>) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 Brian Vita wrote: > > > Personally I thought the name of the one that I saw a few days ago out > on Route 2 was better; "Dirty Dogs Done Dirt Cheap" (a play on an AC/DC > song "Dirty Deeds Don Dirt Cheap"). > > Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jul 25 09:39:36 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:39:36 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: <002601c6afe7$58e8dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <44C60134.2060900@cssinc.com> <002601c6afe7$58e8dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44C61F18.6090706@cssinc.com> When did you become Bill Clinton: :-) Dan Strassberg wrote: > Umm, doesn't that depend on what the definition of "done" is? ;>) > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > Brian Vita wrote: > >>> >>> >> Personally I thought the name of the one that I saw a few days ago out >> on Route 2 was better; "Dirty Dogs Done Dirt Cheap" (a play on an AC/DC >> song "Dirty Deeds Don Dirt Cheap"). >> >> Brian >> > > > > > -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Jul 25 09:39:16 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:39:16 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:22:45 EDT." <44C56455.15898.4D799A@localhost> Message-ID: <200607251339.k6PDdGPp003250@no-knife.mit.edu> >> Believe it or not, the appliance dealer, >> Sozio, was still on Concord Ave, right AT the circle, the last time I >> looked. I have not heard a Sozio commercial in years, but maybe I just >> don't listen to the right stations. Sozio...Sozio...gives you so much >> MORE...Sozio! > >I think that's now a dog-washing business with a cutesy name that I >can't remember right now. Though they may not advertise much (if at all) on radio or TV these days, Sozio is still in business. I drive by the Cambridge location (one of four of theirs) quite often. They've moved on to the web (sozio.com) as well. LaundroMutt is in a small building located between Sozio's and the entrance to their parking lot. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jul 25 16:07:14 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:07:14 -0400 Subject: WVEI-FM Looking To Set Up Studios In Basketball Hall Of fame Message-ID: <002401c6b025$ee6a72f0$19b38018@Mark> An article in today's (July 25th) Boston Herald says that Entercom is in talks with the Basketball Hall Of Fame to set up studios for it's move -in from Pittsfield WVEI (105.5 Easthampton). The station will be a simulcast of WEEI's programming minus the Red Sox for now, as they are currently on another station in the market (WHYN?). I don't believe they've taken to the air yet. Here is a link to the Herald: articlehttp://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=149810 Worthy of note: our own Scott Fybush is quoted in the article. Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jul 25 16:26:51 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:26:51 -0400 Subject: Study: Terrestrial Radio Still Wins In New Music Discovery Message-ID: <200607251626.AA3476488618@mail.ttlc.net> A study conducted in June (2500 persons 12-54 sampled) shows that 45% of those surveyed mention Terrestrial Radio as their preferred place to discover new music. Peer-to-peer was 20%, Internet radio 13% and satellite radio mentioned only 1% of the time. Even among teens, terrestrial won out at 38%. Full article may be found at: http://www.billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/ratings_research/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002878261 From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jul 25 16:34:24 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:34:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation Message-ID: <8999429.1153859664445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I recall watching WJZB Channel 14 in it's last gasps in the mid-60's as well. It barely came in with an indoor antenna in Newton, because the hill in West Newton blocked our reception to the west in Newtonville. Weren't the very lowest channels in the UHF TV band, perhaps 14 through 16, re-allocated for two-way land mobile radio use in some areas, including Boston, in the 1970's? If WJZB had survived, wouldn't they have been forced to move up the dial? EP From pete@partnercomm.com Tue Jul 25 17:08:53 2006 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation In-Reply-To: <8999429.1153859664445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Eli Polonsky wrote: [snip] > Weren't the very lowest channels in the UHF TV band, > perhaps 14 through 16, re-allocated for two-way land > mobile radio use in some areas, including Boston, in > the 1970's? If WJZB had survived, wouldn't they have > been forced to move up the dial? As I recall, channels 14-20 are "shared" between Land Mobile radio services and broadcast television. Some markets have TV stations allocated in this spectra (WPHL 17, Philadelphia, WLYH 15, Lebanon PA), and others do not (ex-WJZB, Channel 14, Worcester; ex-WNET, Channel 16, Providence). Some interesting reading on this at Peter George's site - have a look at his UHF Morgue: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3514/morgue.html -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA From rgallison@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 21:48:30 2006 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Worcester's Channel 5 allocation Message-ID: <20060726014830.47252.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Lets not forget the ever elusive channel 37 allocation which was reserved for radio astronomy some years ago. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 25 23:29:11 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:29:11 -0400 Subject: WTAO / WJIB tower In-Reply-To: <000d01c6afd0$8d0aee40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44C6A947.9118.287F54@localhost> On 25 Jul 2006 at 5:55, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Would that be the outfit that held a dog wash to benefit some charity > at a tony hotel in Cambridge a weekend or two ago and promoted it > heavily on WKOXKS and the WKOXKS Web site? If so, I think the name is > LaundroMutt. It is a cutesy name. I bet that you couldn't reach the > hotel on the day of the dog wash because of all of the Volvos with > dogs inside lined up to have the dogs washed. Yes, that's the name. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 00:10:51 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:10:51 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville Message-ID: I was just listening to WATD 95.9 in Marshfield here in Somerville, and a skip from WCRI 95.9 Block Island, RI just came up, and has completely obliterated WATD with classical music. So much for tonight's "Wide World Of Blues" on WATD (I don't feel like streaming them on the computer). EP From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 26 03:22:32 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:22:32 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607260022g5248a519ne0762322b5d76d03@mail.gmail.com> You're not the only one to notice that. I was on Rt 62 in Middleton, near the prison and Essex Aggie, and heard WCRI walk all over WATD (about 2:30 am) From hykker@grolen.com Wed Jul 26 07:17:58 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:17:58 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060726071647.01b7f688@pop3.grolen.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: >I was just listening to WATD 95.9 in Marshfield here in >Somerville, and a skip from WCRI 95.9 Block Island, RI >just came up, and has completely obliterated WATD with >classical music. That seems awfully short-spaced for a co-channel. From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Wed Jul 26 08:08:28 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:08:28 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville References: Message-ID: <000f01c6b0ac$3470d0b0$a7483518@DG07P241> And here in Sandwich this morning WOMR 92.1 Provincetown was being beaten by CBC news for Nova Scotia. 91.9 WUMB was being overrun by classical w/ French spoken breaks. In between the CBC news (92.5 probably) as 92.7 from Martha's Vineyard was loud and clear was a French news or talk station. Paul Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville > I was just listening to WATD 95.9 in Marshfield here in > Somerville, and a skip from WCRI 95.9 Block Island, RI > just came up, and has completely obliterated WATD with > classical music. > > So much for tonight's "Wide World Of Blues" on WATD > (I don't feel like streaming them on the computer). > > EP > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 26 07:35:45 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:35:45 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060726071647.01b7f688@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <000d01c6b0a7$a68997e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I don't know what the rules are today for spacing of co-channel Class A FMs, but I believe that the original rule was 65 miles--although I could be wrong about that. When the spacing rules were originally established, I believe Class As were limited to 1 kW at 250'. Today, a full Class A is allowed 6 kW at 328', but I don't think the minimum spacing was increased when the maximum power/HAAT were increased. More likely, the permissible level of interference was increased. The distance from Marshfield to Block Island could certainly be less than 65 miles, but if the area of prohibited overlap lies over open ocean, the workable spacing could well be less than normal. Also, the reported interference was, of course, tropospheric ducting. It has always existed at these frequencies, particularly in coastal regions during hot, humid weather, but the spacing rules have never attempted to recognize it. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville > Eli Polonsky wrote: > >I was just listening to WATD 95.9 in Marshfield here in > >Somerville, and a skip from WCRI 95.9 Block Island, RI > >just came up, and has completely obliterated WATD with > >classical music. > > > That seems awfully short-spaced for a co-channel. > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jul 26 11:39:20 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b0a7$a68997e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060726071647.01b7f688@pop3.grolen.com> <000d01c6b0a7$a68997e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <17607.36008.685408.496070@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > When the spacing rules were originally established, I believe Class > As were limited to 1 kW at 250'. Today, a full Class A is allowed 6 > kW at 328', but I don't think the minimum spacing was increased when > the maximum power/HAAT were increased. The current standard for A-to-A co-channel spacing is 115 km (about 71 mi) per 73.207. The minimum spacing for 73.215 processing is 92 km (57 mi), and the interfering station's F(50,10) 40 dBu contour must not overlap the protected station's F(50,50) 60 dBu contour (for all pairs of co-channel stations, in all classes except B and B1, for which the 73.207 spacing is not met). -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Wed Jul 26 12:06:10 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:06:10 -0600 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville Message-ID: >>I don't know what the rules are today for spacing of co-channel Class A FMs, but I believe that the original rule was 65 miles--although I could be wrong about that. When the spacing rules were originally established, I believe Class As were limited to 1 kW at 250'. Today, a full Class A is allowed 6 kW at 328', but I don't think the minimum spacing was increased when the maximum power/HAAT were increased.<< The current separation rule for A-to-A, co-channel, is 71 miles, except in the Canadian border area (82 miles), and the Mexican border area (62 miles). The border areas are defined as any point less than 199 miles from the border with the US. (Per 47 CFR ?73.207) Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 26 12:25:10 2006 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:25:10 -0400 Subject: Study: Terrestrial Radio Still Wins In New Music Discovery References: <200607251626.AA3476488618@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002c01c6b0d0$11335220$cf804c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: rogerkirk To: BRI Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Study: Terrestrial Radio Still Wins In New Music Discovery > A study conducted in June (2500 persons 12-54 sampled) shows that 45% of those surveyed mention Terrestrial Radio as their preferred place to discover new music. Peer-to-peer was 20%, Internet radio 13% and satellite radio mentioned only 1% of the time. Even among teens, terrestrial won out at 38%. > Well, with only about 11 million subscriptions between the two companies, and a good number of those subscriptions being either multiple radios owned by the same person or not being used at all (Sirius reportedly counts unsold cars with activated Sirius radios installed sitting on dealers' lots as paid subscriptions.), how well would anyone expect satellite radio to do? It's a technology that's gotten a lot of buzz, and I enjoy it tremendously, but it's far from reaching critical mass. And now sales are slowing and stock prices are plummeting -- could the golden age of satellite radio, such as it was, be over already? Howard From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 26 13:03:50 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:03:50 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> >From Charles Laquidara's blog, news of the death of astrologer Darryl Martinie, nicknamed the Cosmic Muffin after an old National Lampoon piece. Many of his friends and co-workers are leaving their condolences and best wishes. http://www.bigmattress.com/mt-archives/2006/07/but_then_too_so_1.html From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jul 26 13:06:29 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:06:29 -0400 Subject: WATD cut out by WCRI tonight in Somerville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17607.41237.962624.579831@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The current separation rule for A-to-A, co-channel, is 71 miles, > except in the Canadian border area (82 miles), Presumably this is related to the fact that a 6-kW A is notified to Canada as a B1. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 26 19:44:05 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:44:05 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.co m> References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> At 01:03 PM 7/26/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: > From Charles Laquidara's blog, news of the death of astrologer Darryl >Martinie, nicknamed >the Cosmic Muffin after an old National Lampoon piece. Many of his >friends and co-workers >are leaving their condolences and best wishes. Wow, does anybody know if there was an obit anywhere? I searched various newspapers and didn't find one-- I knew him for many years, and while I don't believe in astrology, he was a very popular and beloved person. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 27 04:05:28 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:05:28 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0607270105j17e66959y44c465fcfcf8bb3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/26/06, Donna Halper wrote: > Wow, does anybody know if there was an obit anywhere? I searched > various newspapers and didn't find one-- I knew him for many years, > and while I don't believe in astrology, he was a very popular and > beloved person. So far no obit in the Globe or Herald _online_, at least. Laquidara's blog first said that Martinie was gravely ill, and then, as of Wed. morning, was updated to say: "Darrell Martinie has passed away.. after being brought home to spend his last moments with family." An obit, written by former WFNX and WBCN DJ Steve Strick, appeared on the Radio And Records site on Wednesday afternoon. http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_07_26/thecosmic.asp "Darrell Martinie, a.k.a. The Cosmic Muffin, died last night in his home in Saugus, MA of cancer." The piece says that a memorial service is being planned. From hykker@grolen.com Thu Jul 27 08:00:58 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:00:58 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060727075845.01b18098@pop3.grolen.com> Donna Halper wrote: >I knew him for many years, and while I don't believe in astrology, he was >a very popular and beloved person. Weren't his reports done rather tongue-in-cheek anyway? I never got the impression he took it all that seriously. Did he also do reports on WRKO in the mid-ish 70s? I never listened to WBCN, but I do recall hearing him somewhere....or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 13:21:57 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:21:57 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <019001c6b1a1$2e94ea00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > At 01:03 PM 7/26/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: > > ...news of the death of astrologer Darryl > >Martinie, nicknamed > >the Cosmic Muffin after an old National Lampoon piece. > Donna Halper responded... > Wow, does anybody know if there was an obit anywhere? Here is one I saw today... http://www.legacy.com/BostonGlobe/DeathNotices.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=18688733 From francini@mac.com Thu Jul 27 13:44:59 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:44:59 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on In-Reply-To: <019001c6b1a1$2e94ea00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> <019001c6b1a1$2e94ea00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <06F504A7-1DFC-498D-A9F9-2473F4FEB26B@mac.com> And a better one can be found on the funeral home's web site: John On 27 Jul 2006, at 13:21, Don A. wrote: > http://www.legacy.com/BostonGlobe/DeathNotices.asp? > Page=Lifestory&PersonId=18688733 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jul 27 16:55:18 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:55:18 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on References: <1fbbbced0607261003x5964eaa7te62f09e1154da9be@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060726194252.03b8be28@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <001a01c6b1be$f86c7d80$19b38018@Mark> Donna Halper wrote: > Wow, does anybody know if there was an obit anywhere? I searched various > newspapers and didn't find one-- . Darryl's passing was reported on WBZ radio just ahead of the 4:43 PM traffic report today. Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jul 27 22:19:43 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:19:43 -0400 Subject: Station Heritage In Advertising Message-ID: <200607272219.AA1818558782@mail.ttlc.net> WBZ ran an ad today (don't remember the product/service) that had the sponsor telling the listeners why they chose WBZ: WBZ was the first commercial radio station in Massachusetts - signing on in 1921. (IIRC) From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Jul 28 07:15:13 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:15:13 -0400 Subject: Station Heritage In Advertising References: <200607272219.AA1818558782@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <002e01c6b237$19a49640$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Might have been Sullivan tire...'BZ is running several "marketing" spots and I believe Sullivan was the first one I heard. Someone has their sales department going, I've heard a couple of new clients in the form of Credit Unions in the last couple of days... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "rogerkirk" To: "BRI" Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Station Heritage In Advertising > WBZ ran an ad today (don't remember the product/service) that had the sponsor telling the listeners why they chose WBZ: WBZ was the first commercial radio station in Massachusetts - signing on in 1921. (IIRC) > > > From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 09:13:55 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20060727075845.01b18098@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <20060728131355.36102.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Weren't his reports done rather tongue-in-cheek > anyway? I never got the > impression he took it all that seriously. Did he > also do reports on WRKO > in the mid-ish 70s? I never listened to WBCN, but I > do recall hearing him > somewhere....or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. > > They were on WBLM, too, right? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Jul 28 10:09:19 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:09:19 -0400 Subject: Darryl Martinie, Cosmic Muffin, has passed on References: <20060728131355.36102.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c6b24f$6bb01460$0200a8c0@Tanguray> As Darryl would say: "It's a wise man who rules the stars, It's a fool who's ruled by them" Roger WA1KAT > > Weren't his reports done rather tongue-in-cheek > > anyway? I never got the > > impression he took it all that seriously. Did he > > also do reports on WRKO > > in the mid-ish 70s? I never listened to WBCN, but I > > do recall hearing him > > somewhere....or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 28 22:46:25 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:46:25 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston In-Reply-To: <003e01c6b213$eac157a0$2e2d7118@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <44CA93C1.26725.394EE1@localhost> On 28 Jul 2006 at 0:03, Glenn and Judy Spatola wrote: > If you're old enough to remember WBZ in the 60s, you're in for a rare > treat. Chapter 3 of Dick Summer's Connection is a history of WBZ in > the 1960s--a nostalgic look at radio before mega-mergers, radio with > REAL air personalities--an inside story not to be missed! Dick > Stadlen (AKA Rick Marshall), Ops Manager of KDAT Cedar Rapids, Iowa, > sent me this link Thursday afternoon. Dick is a fellow UMass and WMUA > alum, and is mentioned in Chapter 2. http://dicksummer.net/my-journal/ I didn't know Dick Summer was a UMie! And a WMUA alum as well! I think I once heard that Ed Fouhy went to UMass, but I never heard that he was at WMUA. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hykker@grolen.com Sat Jul 29 09:42:20 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:42:20 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston In-Reply-To: <44CA93C1.26725.394EE1@localhost> References: <003e01c6b213$eac157a0$2e2d7118@wavecable.com> <44CA93C1.26725.394EE1@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> At 10:46 PM 7/28/2006, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 28 Jul 2006 at 0:03, Glenn and Judy Spatola wrote: > > > If you're old enough to remember WBZ in the 60s, you're in for a rare > > treat. Chapter 3 of Dick Summer's Connection is a history of WBZ in > > the 1960s--a nostalgic look at radio before mega-mergers, radio with > > REAL air personalities--an inside story not to be missed! Dick > > Stadlen (AKA Rick Marshall), Ops Manager of KDAT Cedar Rapids, Iowa, > > sent me this link Thursday afternoon. Dick is a fellow UMass and WMUA > > alum, and is mentioned in Chapter 2. http://dicksummer.net/my-journal/ Interesting story, though his recollection of WBZ's timeline differs somewhat from mine. First of all, WBZ did not go all-news in 1968 when they dropped Top 40...they were various flavors of AC for many years, though they did add some talk at night. He conveniently left off one of the contributing factors of the demise of Top 40 on 1030, and that was the fact that WRKO absolutely cleaned WBZ's clock in their very first book (spring '67)...by that autumn it was clear that WBZ's days as a rocker were numbered...and this was before "Alice's Restaurant" was released. I also don't recall WBZ being especially free-form...maybe they weren't as tightly structured as WABC, I really doubt that the jocks brought in their own records from home and played what they felt like...even back then you couldn't get away with that and have a 25 share. Even in 1965/66 I remember one of the O'Hara's making a comment on the air about the music being pre-selected. Perhaps Dick had more freedom in overnights & on "Subway", but I bet the rest of the jocks had a format to follow. That having been said, WBZ was without a doubt my favorite station while growing up in the 60s, and "they don't make 'em like that anymore". From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 29 12:28:47 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:28:47 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> References: <003e01c6b213$eac157a0$2e2d7118@wavecable.com> <44CA93C1.26725.394EE1@localhost> <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060729121849.046793f8@donnahalper.com> Steve wrote-- >Interesting story, though his recollection of WBZ's timeline differs >somewhat from mine. First of all, WBZ did not go all-news in 1968 >when they dropped Top 40...they were various flavors of AC for many >years, though they did add some talk at night. He conveniently left >off one of the contributing factors of the demise of Top 40 on 1030, >and that was the fact that WRKO absolutely cleaned WBZ's clock in >their very first book (spring '67)...by that autumn it was clear >that WBZ's days as a rocker were numbered...and this was before >"Alice's Restaurant" was released. WBZ began evolving towards all-news slowly, starting in the early 1980s. They abandoned top-40 in the late 60s/early 70s, as music began moving over to FM and AM stations began doing more talk and full-service content. But memory is a tricky thing, as I have found doing oral histories. People tell their story the same way for so many years that they begin to believe it... That's why, while it's great that Dick wrote his recollections, it's important to remember that he is recalling them nearly 40 years later, and it's easy for revisionism to set in. I've got a pretty good memory, but if you ask me what I was doing in radio in 1968 (I was on the air at my college station-- first woman d.j. in Northeastern's history, in fact), I remember some of it, but not every single detail-- even though it was a major event in my life. Steve wrote-- >I also don't recall WBZ being especially free-form...maybe they >weren't as tightly structured as WABC, I really doubt that the >jocks brought in their own records from home and played what they >felt like...even back then you couldn't get away with that and have >a 25 share. Even in 1965/66 I remember one of the O'Hara's making a >comment on the air about the music being pre-selected. Perhaps Dick >had more freedom in overnights & on "Subway", but I bet the rest of >the jocks had a format to follow. That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird novelty records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's grave to build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that anymore.) But the daytime jocks also had their share of weird novelty songs too-- I recall Bruce Bradley using segments of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a Spell On You" as his favourite drop-in... Still, it's obvious the station used heavy dayparting and Summer probably had the most freedom to experiment. When Dick briefly programmed over at WMEX, he tried to create an AM version of free-form progressive in 1969, if my memory serves. It was called "The Human Thing", and It failed miserably. But it was an interesting experiment. From gjspatola@wavecable.com Sat Jul 29 20:14:18 2006 From: gjspatola@wavecable.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:18 -0700 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston References: <44CA93C1.26725.394EE1@localhost> Message-ID: <004101c6b36d$198fcee0$3b7a7118@wavecable.com> No, sorry for the misunderstanding. Dick Stadlen is the WMUA and Umass alum, class of 1970 or 71. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Glenn and Judy Spatola" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston > On 28 Jul 2006 at 0:03, Glenn and Judy Spatola wrote: > > > If you're old enough to remember WBZ in the 60s, you're in for a rare > > treat. Chapter 3 of Dick Summer's Connection is a history of WBZ in > > the 1960s--a nostalgic look at radio before mega-mergers, radio with > > REAL air personalities--an inside story not to be missed! Dick > > Stadlen (AKA Rick Marshall), Ops Manager of KDAT Cedar Rapids, Iowa, > > sent me this link Thursday afternoon. Dick is a fellow UMass and WMUA > > alum, and is mentioned in Chapter 2. http://dicksummer.net/my-journal/ > > I didn't know Dick Summer was a UMie! And a WMUA alum as well! I > think I once heard that Ed Fouhy went to UMass, but I never heard > that he was at WMUA. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 30 00:59:41 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:59:41 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio in Boston In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060729121849.046793f8@donnahalper.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> On 29 Jul 2006 at 12:28, Donna Halper wrote: > That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead > top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could > use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally > play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird novelty > records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's grave to > build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that anymore.) But > the daytime jocks also had their share of weird novelty songs too-- I > recall Bruce Bradley using segments of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a > Spell On You" as his favourite drop-in... Still, it's obvious the > station used heavy dayparting and Summer probably had the most freedom > to experiment. I remember Bruce Bradley playing excerpts from "Grandpa's Grave" regularly as part of his schtick in the early 60s. Along with his campaign to get people to send in their used teabags as pillows for underprivileged sparrows. And profiles of the Nutley Nutritional High School Faculty. When he did Dynaflow Needleman, the Drivers Ed teacher, I identified him with my own Driver's Ed teacher. Dynaflow Needleman, however, had the distinction of having knitted his own car from steel wool and having been the first to drive from Boston to Honolulu nonstop and make all the lights. > When Dick briefly programmed over at WMEX, he tried to create an AM > version of free-form progressive in 1969, if my memory serves. It was > called "The Human Thing", and It failed miserably. But it was an > interesting experiment. I remember that, and I liked it. Too bad not enough other people did. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 30 07:17:14 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:17:14 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> Message-ID: <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember Bruce Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ listening and Top 40? One of his favorite records was an instrumental called Rio Batucada--a selection I have not heard since Bradley played it on WROW over 50 years ago. Although he did no Top 40 schtick, the fact that he was enormously talented really stood out. For all that it was a really low-budget operation back then, WROW's air staff sounded very professional. (Before the studio move to North or East Greenbush--site of the original Channel 41 tower--the studios in a grungy apartment building on State St were a nightmare.) Besides Bradley, other WROW announcers that I remember were Mark Edwards (Arnold Friedman), George Leighton, and Ralph? Vartigian. Bradley came to WROW from Buffalo (not sure which station). He was a master at all of the slick production gimmicks of the day--backsells, talking over a record's intro and stopping within milliseconds of the vocalist's first note and doing it without making it sound forced or contrived. In that era, announcing and doing it well was a real art. I think Bradley went straight from WROW to WBZ. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston > On 29 Jul 2006 at 12:28, Donna Halper wrote: > > > That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead > > top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could > > use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally > > play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird novelty > > records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's grave to > > build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that anymore.) But > > the daytime jocks also had their share of weird novelty songs too-- I > > recall Bruce Bradley using segments of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a > > Spell On You" as his favourite drop-in... Still, it's obvious the > > station used heavy dayparting and Summer probably had the most freedom > > to experiment. > > I remember Bruce Bradley playing excerpts from "Grandpa's Grave" > regularly as part of his schtick in the early 60s. Along with his > campaign to get people to send in their used teabags as pillows for > underprivileged sparrows. And profiles of the Nutley Nutritional > High School Faculty. When he did Dynaflow Needleman, the Drivers Ed > teacher, I identified him with my own Driver's Ed teacher. Dynaflow > Needleman, however, had the distinction of having knitted his own car > from steel wool and having been the first to drive from Boston to > Honolulu nonstop and make all the lights. > > > When Dick briefly programmed over at WMEX, he tried to create an AM > > version of free-form progressive in 1969, if my memory serves. It was > > called "The Human Thing", and It failed miserably. But it was an > > interesting experiment. > > I remember that, and I liked it. Too bad not enough other people > did. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Jul 30 08:39:06 2006 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:39:06 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radioin Boston Message-ID: <200607300839.AA3798467132@mail.ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: >That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead >top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could >use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally >play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird >novelty records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's >grave to build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that >anymore.) "They're Shifting His Remains To Put In Sewage Drains" IIRC, Grandpa's Grave was even played by Dave Maynard. Dave also had his own little shtick - a spoken word piece about "The Twister" - a person who danced "The Twist" I also recall a frequently-used vocal drop-in that went: "Rub Your Belly With Linseed Oil & Wrap Your Head In Aluminum Foil!" Anybod know where that comes from? Grandpa's Grave was by Peter Sellers. From hykker@grolen.com Sun Jul 30 09:31:24 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:31:24 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radioin Boston In-Reply-To: <200607300839.AA3798467132@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200607300839.AA3798467132@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060730092634.01b13150@pop3.grolen.com> rogerkirk wrote: >IIRC, Grandpa's Grave was even played by Dave Maynard. Dave also had his >own little shtick - a spoken word piece about "The Twister" - a person who >danced "The Twist" Actually, the one about the twist was Carl deSuze...I have a dub of a record called the "Carl deSuze Twist". Never heard "Grandpa's Grave", though I do recall Bruce using the Screaming Jay drops. Was weird the first time I heard "I Put A Spell.."...I'd already heard half the song courtesy of Bruce Bradley bits. From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Sun Jul 30 09:41:03 2006 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:41:03 -0400 Subject: DickSummer post Message-ID: <24CA004F.4E5AF8C4.0CE337EB@aol.com> Joe, You got your Dicks mixed up. Re-read Glenn's post and you'll see where you went wrong. Actually, Dick SUMMER attended "Venus Fly Trap University"! On 28 Jul 2006 at 0:03, Glenn and Judy Spatola wrote: > If you're old enough to remember WBZ in the 60s, you're in for a rare > treat. Chapter 3 of Dick Summer's Connection is a history of WBZ in > the 1960s--a nostalgic look at radio before mega-mergers, radio with > REAL air personalities--an inside story not to be missed! Dick > Stadlen (AKA Rick Marshall), Ops Manager of KDAT Cedar Rapids, Iowa, > sent me this link Thursday afternoon. Dick is a fellow UMass and WMUA > alum, and is mentioned in Chapter 2. http://dicksummer.net/my-journal/ I didn't know Dick Summer was a UMie! And a WMUA alum as well! I think I once heard that Ed Fouhy went to UMass, but I never heard that he was at WMUA. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 30 12:10:41 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:10:41 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060730120850.04691b50@donnahalper.com> At 07:17 AM 7/30/2006, Dan Strassberg wrote: >But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember Bruce >Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ listening and Top >40? Do any of you nice folks know where Bruce Bradley ended up? I know he was on the air in St Louis for a while, got fired (or left-- depending on which story you heard), had problems with alcohol, found another gig somewhere in the midwest... but I've lost track of him. He was a brilliant jock, and one of my favourite memories was seeing him live from Paragon Park in the Sundeck Studios... From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jul 30 12:12:30 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:12:30 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <00e201c6b3f2$f5ffaff0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Re Dick Summer: I understand WROW was more or less a Top 40 station for a while in the late '50s - early '60s. (It was "beautiful music" for years after that.) Did Capital Cities Broadcasting own WROW back in those days? Another question about Cap Cities, while we're at it: the veteran newscaster Lowell Thomas was the principal owner of Cap Cities, wasn't he? As he died before Cap Cities' takeover of ABC, did the Thomas family continue to hold majority ownership, or was it a publicly traded company? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston > But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember Bruce > Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ listening and Top > 40? One of his favorite records was an instrumental called Rio Batucada--a > selection I have not heard since Bradley played it on WROW over 50 years > ago. Although he did no Top 40 schtick, the fact that he was enormously > talented really stood out. For all that it was a really low-budget operation > back then, WROW's air staff sounded very professional. (Before the studio > move to North or East Greenbush--site of the original Channel 41 tower--the > studios in a grungy apartment building on State St were a nightmare.) > Besides Bradley, other WROW announcers that I remember were Mark Edwards > (Arnold Friedman), George Leighton, and Ralph? Vartigian. Bradley came to > WROW from Buffalo (not sure which station). He was a master at all of the > slick production gimmicks of the day--backsells, talking over a record's > intro and stopping within milliseconds of the vocalist's first note and > doing it without making it sound forced or contrived. In that era, > announcing and doing it well was a real art. I think Bradley went straight > from WROW to WBZ. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: "boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio > inBoston > > > > On 29 Jul 2006 at 12:28, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > > That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead > > > top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could > > > use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally > > > play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird novelty > > > records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's grave to > > > build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that anymore.) But > > > the daytime jocks also had their share of weird novelty songs too-- I > > > recall Bruce Bradley using segments of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a > > > Spell On You" as his favourite drop-in... Still, it's obvious the > > > station used heavy dayparting and Summer probably had the most freedom > > > to experiment. > > > > I remember Bruce Bradley playing excerpts from "Grandpa's Grave" > > regularly as part of his schtick in the early 60s. Along with his > > campaign to get people to send in their used teabags as pillows for > > underprivileged sparrows. And profiles of the Nutley Nutritional > > High School Faculty. When he did Dynaflow Needleman, the Drivers Ed > > teacher, I identified him with my own Driver's Ed teacher. Dynaflow > > Needleman, however, had the distinction of having knitted his own car > > from steel wool and having been the first to drive from Boston to > > Honolulu nonstop and make all the lights. > > > > > When Dick briefly programmed over at WMEX, he tried to create an AM > > > version of free-form progressive in 1969, if my memory serves. It was > > > called "The Human Thing", and It failed miserably. But it was an > > > interesting experiment. > > > > I remember that, and I liked it. Too bad not enough other people > > did. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Sun Jul 30 12:53:43 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:53:43 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060730120850.04691b50@donnahalper.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.2.20060730120850.04691b50@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <521b7fd10607300953l7c29731l22ab94514e431af6@mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/06, Donna Halper wrote: > Do any of you nice folks know where Bruce Bradley ended up? I know > he was on the air in St Louis for a while, got fired (or left-- > depending on which story you heard), had problems with alcohol, found > another gig somewhere in the midwest... but I've lost track of > him. He was a brilliant jock, and one of my favourite memories was > seeing him live from Paragon Park in the Sundeck Studios... He is retired and living in Phoenix. I can ask him if is interested in communicating. - -RK From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 30 13:13:04 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:13:04 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <00e201c6b3f2$f5ffaff0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <001101c6b3fb$6fce6bc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> During the period in question, WROW was first owned by its original owner, Harry L Goldman, who later sold it to Capital Cities. WROW was Capital Cities' first property and the location, New York's Capital District (a.k.a. the Albany-Schenectday-Troy market), gave the radio company its name. In due course, Capital Cities morphed into ABC, which then merged with Disney. I'm not sure of the year in which ownership of WROW passed from Goldman to CapCities, but when I left the Capital District in 1956, I think (though I'm not at all sure) that Goldman might still have owned the station. As best I can remember, when I left, WROW-TV had gone on the air on Channel 41, but had not yet acquired WMGT Pitttsfield on Channel 74 and moved it to Channel 19. I also can't remember whether Channel 29 in Hagaman NY in the Mohawk Valley was yet on the air (I don't think so, however). Channel 29 later gave way to Channel 10 in Vail Mills NY (very near Hagaman and exactly 170 miles from Channel 10 stations in Rochester, Montreal, and Providence). Channel 10 later moved to a site in the Helderberg Mountains southwest of Albany near the site of Channel 6. That move required FCC approval of short spacing to Providence. Meanwhile Channel 35, whose transmitter site was north of Troy, obtained permission to move to Channel 13 and to short-space to Channel 13 in Newark NJ (WNET). It always struck me that Channel 10 should have used the Channel 35 site and Channel 13 should have used the Channel 10 site. Although, in both cases, the short spacing would have been worse, the majority of the market population would have received full-power signals instead of the low-power signals necessitated by the short spacing. BTW, Goldman later put the AM 1300 licensed to Rensselaer--across the Hudson from Albany--on the air. It was originally a 5 kW directional daytimer but later was granted full-time status. The original calls were WEEE, then WQBK, then I lost track. Although the 1300 station hardly had a signal that could compete with WROW's (at least by day), it really isn't a bad signal. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston > Re Dick Summer: I understand WROW was more or less a Top 40 station for a > while in the late '50s - early '60s. (It was "beautiful music" for years > after that.) Did Capital Cities Broadcasting own WROW back in those days? > > Another question about Cap Cities, while we're at it: the veteran newscaster > Lowell Thomas was the principal owner of Cap Cities, wasn't he? As he died > before Cap Cities' takeover of ABC, did the Thomas family continue to hold > majority ownership, or was it a publicly traded company? > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" > > Cc: "boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio > inBoston > > > > But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember > Bruce > > Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ listening and > Top > > 40? One of his favorite records was an instrumental called Rio Batucada--a > > selection I have not heard since Bradley played it on WROW over 50 years > > ago. Although he did no Top 40 schtick, the fact that he was enormously > > talented really stood out. For all that it was a really low-budget > operation > > back then, WROW's air staff sounded very professional. (Before the studio > > move to North or East Greenbush--site of the original Channel 41 > tower--the > > studios in a grungy apartment building on State St were a nightmare.) > > Besides Bradley, other WROW announcers that I remember were Mark Edwards > > (Arnold Friedman), George Leighton, and Ralph? Vartigian. Bradley came to > > WROW from Buffalo (not sure which station). He was a master at all of the > > slick production gimmicks of the day--backsells, talking over a record's > > intro and stopping within milliseconds of the vocalist's first note and > > doing it without making it sound forced or contrived. In that era, > > announcing and doing it well was a real art. I think Bradley went straight > > from WROW to WBZ. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > To: "Donna Halper" > > Cc: "boston Radio Interest" > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio > > inBoston > > > > > > > On 29 Jul 2006 at 12:28, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > > > > That is true to a certain extent-- daytime it was a straight-ahead > > > > top-40, but the overnight show always had more freedom, so Dick could > > > > use drop-ins (or "hacks" as they used to be called) and occasionally > > > > play songs nobody else on the station played, especially weird novelty > > > > records like "Grandpa's Grave." ('They're removing grandpa's grave to > > > > build a sewer..'-- ah they don't write lyrics like that anymore.) But > > > > the daytime jocks also had their share of weird novelty songs too-- I > > > > recall Bruce Bradley using segments of Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a > > > > Spell On You" as his favourite drop-in... Still, it's obvious the > > > > station used heavy dayparting and Summer probably had the most freedom > > > > to experiment. > > > > > > I remember Bruce Bradley playing excerpts from "Grandpa's Grave" > > > regularly as part of his schtick in the early 60s. Along with his > > > campaign to get people to send in their used teabags as pillows for > > > underprivileged sparrows. And profiles of the Nutley Nutritional > > > High School Faculty. When he did Dynaflow Needleman, the Drivers Ed > > > teacher, I identified him with my own Driver's Ed teacher. Dynaflow > > > Needleman, however, had the distinction of having knitted his own car > > > from steel wool and having been the first to drive from Boston to > > > Honolulu nonstop and make all the lights. > > > > > > > When Dick briefly programmed over at WMEX, he tried to create an AM > > > > version of free-form progressive in 1969, if my memory serves. It was > > > > called "The Human Thing", and It failed miserably. But it was an > > > > interesting experiment. > > > > > > I remember that, and I liked it. Too bad not enough other people > > > did. > > > > > > -- > > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hykker@grolen.com Sun Jul 30 20:01:03 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:01:03 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060730120850.04691b50@donnahalper.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20060729093043.01b93af8@pop3.grolen.com> <44CC047D.19735.491F9D@localhost> <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.1.0.2.20060730120850.04691b50@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060730195758.01bb3e70@pop3.grolen.com> Donna Halper wrote: >Do any of you nice folks know where Bruce Bradley ended up? I know he was >on the air in St Louis for a while, got fired (or left-- depending on >which story you heard), had problems with alcohol, found another gig >somewhere in the midwest... but I've lost track of him. He was a >brilliant jock, and one of my favourite memories was seeing him live from >Paragon Park in the Sundeck Studios... Do a search for Bruce on reelradio.com. In the "comments" section he responded to a couple questions as to his whereabouts. He's gotta be getting along in age...I think he was in his 40s during WBZ's T-40 heyday. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 30 23:17:27 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:17:27 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <00e201c6b3f2$f5ffaff0$2e01a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <44CD3E07.17515.D3ACAD@localhost> On 30 Jul 2006 at 12:12, Doug Drown wrote: > Re Dick Summer: I understand WROW was more or less a Top 40 station > for a while in the late '50s - early '60s. (It was "beautiful music" > for years after that.) Did Capital Cities Broadcasting own WROW back > in those days? When I was there, 1953-57, it was Hudson Valley Broadcasting. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 30 23:17:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:17:26 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b3c9$ba4acae0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44CD3E06.19204.D3ABF9@localhost> On 30 Jul 2006 at 7:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember > Bruce Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ > listening and Top 40? One of his favorite records was an instrumental > called Rio Batucada--a selection I have not heard since Bradley played > it on WROW over 50 years ago. I don't think I was ever aware of many of the WROW air personalities, I'm afraid. When was he there? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 30 23:17:27 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:17:27 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <001101c6b3fb$6fce6bc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44CD3E07.3593.D3ADF7@localhost> On 30 Jul 2006 at 13:13, Dan Strassberg wrote: > During the period in question, WROW was first owned by its original > owner, Harry L Goldman, who later sold it to Capital Cities. WROW was > Capital Cities' first property and the location, New York's Capital > District (a.k.a. the Albany-Schenectday-Troy market), gave the radio > company its name. In due course, Capital Cities morphed into ABC, > which then merged with Disney. Ironically, while I was there, WROW changed its network affiliation from ABC to CBS, as did WROW-TV. > I'm not sure of the year in which ownership of WROW passed from > Goldman to CapCities, but when I left the Capital District in 1956, > I think (though I'm not at all sure) that Goldman might still have > owned the station. As best I can remember, when I left, WROW-TV had > gone on the air on Channel 41, but had not yet acquired WMGT > Pitttsfield on Channel 74 and moved it to Channel 19. I also can't > remember whether Channel 29 in Hagaman NY in the Mohawk Valley was > yet on the air (I don't think so, however). Channel 29 later gave > way to Channel 10 in Vail Mills NY (very near Hagaman and exactly > 170 miles from Channel 10 stations in Rochester, Montreal, and > Providence). The move to Channel 10, which supplanted both 41 and 29, took place after I left in May 1957. The addition of channel 29 came sometime in 1955 or 1956, and the call letters changed to WCDA and WCDB. WMGT on Mount Graylock moved from channel 74 to 19 before it was taken over by Hudson Valley Broadcasting, which was the corporate name of WROW, etc. and how they answered the phone. The next thing that happened was that a storm blew down the tower of WMGT, putting it off the air indefinitely. When it returned to the air, it was as WCDC. WTRI, channel 35, came on in early 1954, with a CBS affiliation (it was connected with WTRY radio in Troy, which also was a CBS affiliate). Despite that, many important CBS programs were carried on WRGB, sometimes by delayed broadcast. Ed Sullivan's Sunday night show was on Friday night, and Jack Benny's show was on Sunday afternoon. ABC programs got out on bot WRGB and WROW-TV (WCDA). Space Patrol was on WRGB, Disneyland and Mickey Mouse Club were on WROW-TV, etc. At some point after that, probably in 1955, WROW became a CBS affiliate, both on radio and television (though possibly not at exactly the same time). When that happened WTRI went off the air for awhile. It eventually returned around the fall of 1956, with an ABC affiliation. At that time, almost all of the CBS and ABC shows moved to their respective UHF affiliates, at their proper times, and WRGB became a total NBC affiliate. Except that "You Asked For It," an ABC program, for some reason continued to appear on WRGB. In 1966-67, when I was a senior at UMass Amherst, I lived in one of the high-rise dorms, and I discovered that the dorm TV was able to get WCDC, Channel 19. At that point, WCDA and WCDB had moved to channel 10 and become WTEN. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 31 07:00:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:00:08 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston References: <44CD3E06.19204.D3ABF9@localhost> Message-ID: <002301c6b490$836a2620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I'm guessing, but I think Bradley arrived at WROW in 1953 or 1954. I don't remember whether he was still at WROW when I graduated from RPI in late May 1956, but he may have been. As I recall (but I may be wrong), he didn't appear at WBZ until I had been in Boston for a short while--and I arrived for the summer session at MIT immediately after I graduated from RPI. I think he and I are about the same age, which would put him in his early 70s now. I think he was newly married when he arrived at WROW and that shortly after he started work there, his wife gave birth to twins. If I'm right about his age, he more than likely didn't go to college. If that's the case, he probably started in radio in Buffalo while he was in high school and the WROW gig could well have been his first full-time radio gig--apart from summer jobs. If that's so, his talent was even more amazing because he sounded like a seasoned pro at a very early age. As far as other WROW announcers, I used to listen to George Leighton's late-night show almost every evening. It started right after the 11:00 news and was called "White Tower's Myoooz...ical Menu." The music was, as I recall, a blend of MOR and EZ. The sponsor was, of course, that chain of greasy little hamburger joints that, in those days, dotted the downtown areas of places like Albany, Troy, and even New York City. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston > On 30 Jul 2006 at 7:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > But since you lived in Albany at about the right time, do you remember > > Bruce Bradley on WROW playing what I'd call something between EZ > > listening and Top 40? One of his favorite records was an instrumental > > called Rio Batucada--a selection I have not heard since Bradley played > > it on WROW over 50 years ago. > > I don't think I was ever aware of many of the WROW air personalities, > I'm afraid. When was he there? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 31 13:22:23 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:22:23 -0400 Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) Message-ID: <44CE3C4F.1090304@fybush.com> Greater Media just sent out the press release confirming what we've all known all along - WCRB to 99.5 under Nassau, WKLB to 102.5 under Greater Media, and Greater gets Nassau's Philly move-in on 97.5. All the details now up at NERW... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 31 14:49:34 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:34 -0400 Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) References: <44CE3C4F.1090304@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001101c6b4d2$1581d580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Does Nassau yet have a CP to move 97.5 to where is it officially? Burlington NJ? with transmitter either within Philadelphia or very close by? (and a tight directional pattern to protect a station in DE). Or is that move still just an application? If just an application, what happens if the FCC doesn't grant the CP? I'm rather surprised that the Philly move-in has been assigned greater monetary value than 99.5 here. Yeah, Philly is a larger market than Boston. And yeah 97.5 will be closer to Philadelphia than 99.5 is to Boston, but the transmitter location of the Philly station will have the same kinds of problems as 99.5 has and won't ever be truly compeititive with the signals that emanate from Roxborough. Also, given that Greater has never achieved ratings from 95.7 that are equivalent to those it garnered when it was classical, what are the chances that Cumulus would take its new 97.5 classical? It might now be impssible to coax many former 95.7 listeners to switch from WRTI to 97.5, I suppose. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) > Greater Media just sent out the press release confirming what we've all > known all along - WCRB to 99.5 under Nassau, WKLB to 102.5 under Greater > Media, and Greater gets Nassau's Philly move-in on 97.5. > > All the details now up at NERW... > > s From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 14:28:45 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:28:45 -0400 Subject: Gr. Media Press release Message-ID: <04f901c6b4cf$2a290880$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> >From the Greater Media corperate website: July 31, 2006 For Immediate Release Greater Media and Nassau Broadcasting to Exchange Stations in Boston and Philadelphia Markets; Classical format to remain on Boston airwaves Greater Media and Charles River Broadcasting Sign Definitive Agreement for WCRB-FM Boston, MA: Greater Media, Inc. and Nassau Broadcasting Partners, L.P. announced today that they have signed an exchange agreement by which Greater Media will acquire Nassau's 97.5 FM frequency licensed to Burlington, NJ, and Nassau will acquire Greater Media's 99.5 FM frequency licensed to Lowell, MA. Nassau will also receive cash and classical music assets including the format of WCRB FM in Boston. In a separate transaction, Greater Media and Charles River Broadcasting Company have signed a definitive agreement for Greater Media to acquire Boston's 102.5 WCRB-FM. All of the transactions are subject to approval by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Greater Media will incorporate 97.5 FM into its Philadelphia cluster, which currently includes 93.3 WMMR-FM, 95.7 BEN FM, 102.9 WMGK-FM and Sports Talk 950/WPEN-AM. The call letters and format of the new station have not yet been determined. In Boston, Greater Media plans to move its WKLB country music format to the 102.5 frequency. Nassau Broadcasting will incorporate 99.5 FM into its existing New England holdings including its other Massachusetts radio stations "Pixy 103" WPXC-FM in Hyannis and "Frank FM" WFQR/WFRQ-FM in Harwich Port/Mashpee. Nassau plans to continue to broadcast the WCRB classical music format in Boston on the 99.5 FM frequency with the heritage WCRB call letters. WCRB 99.5 FM will also add to Nassau's existing classical music network of radio stations, the WBACH network that broadcasts in coastal Maine. "We worked very hard to identify a company that would protect the classical music format in Boston," said Peter Smyth, Greater Media's President & CEO. I am both happy and proud that classical music will continue to have a home on the Boston airwaves. This is a great deal for all three companies, and for Boston's radio listeners and advertisers." "Nassau has spent the last three years building a network of 37 radio stations in New England and we are extremely pleased to be able to add WCRB in Boston on its new home at 99.5 FM to our growing family of stations," said Lou Mercatanti, Nassau's Chairman and President. WCRB has a heritage of broadcasting one of the premiere classical radio formats in the US and we welcome WCRB as the new flagship of our classical network of stations throughout New England." "We are delighted that Greater Media and Nassau Broadcasting have reached an agreement under which Nassau will continue to broadcast classical music in Boston," added Mary L. Marshall, Chairman of the Board, Charles River Broadcasting. We wish both companies tremendous success and would like to congratulate Peter Smyth and Lou Mercatanti for working together to achieve a great result.". Nassau's Mercatanti added, "This transaction is also bittersweet for us as the 97.5 FM frequency was the first radio station that Nassau acquired in 1986 from local radio pioneer Herb Hobler. 97.5 FM was originally our station WPST and in anticipation of the potential to move the 97.5 frequency into Philadelphia, we migrated our heritage format of WPST to 94.5 FM in early 2005. Having the ability to create a full market Philadelphia radio station while preserving WPST in New Jersey represented a truly unique opportunity for the Company. WPST on 94.5 FM, which now has a superior New Jersey based signal, continues to lead the market both locally and regionally. We congratulate both Charles River Broadcasting on their heritage of success and Greater Media on the addition to their portfolio of 97.5 FM as a new radio station for the Philadelphia market." Both transactions are expected to close in the Fall. Greater Media, a family-owned company based in Braintree, Massachusetts, is the ultimate parent company of 19 AM and FM radio stations in Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia and New Jersey. The company, through its subsidiaries, also owns a modern printing plant and a group of weekly newspapers in central New Jersey, and several telecommunications towers throughout the United States. Nassau Broadcasting, a privately held firm in Princeton, New Jersey, currently owns and/or operates 53 radio stations in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Maine. It is the 15th largest broadcaster in the United States in terms of the number of radio stations it owns. The Company's web site is www.nassaubroadcasting.com. Charles River Broadcasting Company owns WCRB in Boston, WFCC and WKPE on Cape Cod, WCRI and WCNX in Rhode Island, along with the World Classical Network and various real estate holdings. WCRB has been broadcasting classical music in Boston since 1950. Media Contacts: Greater Media, Inc. Heidi Raphael Director of Corporate Communication Nassau Broadcasting Partners, L.P. Tristram E. Collins Sr. Executive Vice President Charles River Broadcasting Company Mary L. Marshall Chairman of the Board From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Jul 31 15:09:29 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:09:29 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <002301c6b490$836a2620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44CD3E06.19204.D3ABF9@localhost> <002301c6b490$836a2620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <521b7fd10607311209v6216a66ay70494bc34bf38b9e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I'm guessing, but I think Bradley arrived at WROW in 1953 or 1954. I don't > remember whether he was still at WROW when I graduated from RPI in late May > 1956, but he may have been. A buddy of mine communicates occasionally with BB. i forwarded some comments peoplke were making on the list and he send these observations about his time in Albany: "Here's a quick summation of my experiences in New York State's fabled Capitol District, beginning with being a listener of a fellow named Earle Pudney (!) who played the piano and did mornings at WGY, which was the only station we could get in North Creek NY in the Adirondacks, where I spent my soph & junior HS years. This was in 1948-49 when I was 14 and 15. My mother thought Earle sucked, which indeed he did, and she said once that if he made any more than $50 a week,he was being grossly overpaid. I told her that Martin Block at WNEW was making $75,000 a year (I read it in Parade Magazine) and she said whoever wrote that article must be a liar because that was far too much money for such a frivolous occupation. Of course that firmed my resolve to go into radio as soon as I graduated from High School, which I did. In 1950 we moved to Troy for my Senior year and I graduated from Lansingburgh HS in June 1951. I was 17. In July, I got my first radio job at WKAL Rome NY at 75 cents and hour doing morning drive, making even less than my mom thought Earle Pudney made. It was easy to get a radio job in 1951 because the Korean War was raging and a lot of the good jocks were in the service. But I'm getting ahead of myself: In 1951, WTRY was the hottest radio station in the Tri-cities by far. They had CBS radio, which meant Arthur Godfrey, who was as hot then as Oprah is now. They had a first-class news operation, PLUS, the announcers came to work in business suits (there were no women on the air) and TWO count 'em TWO guys did the 30 sec break between net shows. One did the station ID, the other guy read the spot. That's how I envisioned my future, 30 secs of work, then 30 minutes of buffing my nails. The major personality in town by far was Paul Flanagan, who was a staffer during the week and did the Tri-City Ballroom from 10P-1A on Saturday night, a top 10 (or maybe 20) countdown show in which listeners called up and voted for their fave. It was a staggeringly popular show, listened to by most adults, and every kid in town. Paul Flanagan was a painfully shy guy, I tried unsuccessfully (by annoying the hell out of him with constant phone calls)to mentor me but he just wouldnt. The only other jocks of note in 1951 were Dick Mills, morning drive at WPTR, a station with such a rotten signal that it didnt matter how good he was, and Howard Malcolm, also mornings, at WTRY for a while. Dick Mills had a Ford convertible with his name written in big letters on the sides, and Howard Malcolm was an easy-to- listen to guy who was always late for work. Since that time, I've noticed that middle-market jocks who seem too talented for their venue, are usually gone in a few months, fired for whatever it was that got them canned from their previous gig. I cant think of any other station or any other personality that made an impact on me or my friends during that time. Radio (and everything else) was under the firm control of our parents in those years and we never had an inkling of what was on the horizon in just a very few short years. So I'm going to stop now, and pick it up with a time more relevant to your life, my years at WROW 1955-59 in a later note. It may even be later today but right now I need to run a few errands before the sun melts me down to a senile nub. bb BTW you mentioned John Mounteer in your reminiscent email and I remember him vaguely as the only guy I ever heard of who worked at a radio station (WXKW) that simply disappeared one day, never to return, its frequency retired. I assume it was some FCC quirk that did him in because in those days, every radio station made money. c u later " Dan can tell the tale if he wishes - and has - about BB's mention of WXKW/850. -- -RK From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 31 15:16:08 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) In-Reply-To: <001101c6b4d2$1581d580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44CE3C4F.1090304@fybush.com> <001101c6b4d2$1581d580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <47753.66.195.169.98.1154373368.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> > Does Nassau yet have a CP to move 97.5 to where is it officially? > Burlington > NJ? with transmitter either within Philadelphia or very close by? (and a > tight directional pattern to protect a station in DE). Or is that move > still > just an application? If just an application, what happens if the FCC > doesn't > grant the CP? The CP was granted in April. 97.5 will be 26 kW/208 m from the same Wyndmoor tower where WJJZ 106.1 is. (It's the old channel 3 tower from the late forties/early fifties, and was later used by channel 17.) It is a DA, but not as tight as you'd imagine. The major pull-in is to 97.3 Harrisburg, and the only part of the metro where 97.5 will fall short of the Roxborough signals at all significantly is in the extreme western edge. > I'm rather surprised that the Philly move-in has been assigned greater > monetary value than 99.5 here. Yeah, Philly is a larger market than > Boston. > And yeah 97.5 will be closer to Philadelphia than 99.5 is to Boston, but > the > transmitter location of the Philly station will have the same kinds of > problems as 99.5 has and won't ever be truly compeititive with the signals > that emanate from Roxborough. Also, given that Greater has never achieved > ratings from 95.7 that are equivalent to those it garnered when it was > classical, what are the chances that Cumulus would take its new 97.5 > classical? It might now be impssible to coax many former 95.7 listeners to > switch from WRTI to 97.5, I suppose. Cumulus? I'll guess you meant "Greater" there. The new 97.5 will be a MUCH more significant player in Philly than 99.5 is in Boston, for two reasons. First, it's much closer to the city center (the tower is just a few hundred yards from the northern city line), and second, the Roxborough stations create much less of an intermod problem than the Pru does, being in a less dense population area away from the downtown core. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 31 15:32:03 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:32:03 -0400 Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) References: <44CE3C4F.1090304@fybush.com> <001101c6b4d2$1581d580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <47753.66.195.169.98.1154373368.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> Message-ID: <001801c6b4d8$06d81d40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The HAAT and ERP are almost identical to 99.5's--unless, of course, 99.5 moves to some other stick that's closer to Boston--assuming that's even possible. Or if it's possible it could be self-defeating, the way WAAF's move seems to have turned out. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "Scott Fybush" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) > > Does Nassau yet have a CP to move 97.5 to where is it officially? > > Burlington > > NJ? with transmitter either within Philadelphia or very close by? (and a > > tight directional pattern to protect a station in DE). Or is that move > > still > > just an application? If just an application, what happens if the FCC > > doesn't > > grant the CP? > > The CP was granted in April. 97.5 will be 26 kW/208 m from the same > Wyndmoor tower where WJJZ 106.1 is. (It's the old channel 3 tower from the > late forties/early fifties, and was later used by channel 17.) > > It is a DA, but not as tight as you'd imagine. The major pull-in is to > 97.3 Harrisburg, and the only part of the metro where 97.5 will fall short > of the Roxborough signals at all significantly is in the extreme western > edge. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 31 15:50:38 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: It's officially, officially, officially official (WCRB/WKLB, that is) In-Reply-To: <001801c6b4d8$06d81d40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <44CE3C4F.1090304@fybush.com> <001101c6b4d2$1581d580$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <47753.66.195.169.98.1154373368.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> <001801c6b4d8$06d81d40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <53677.66.195.169.98.1154375438.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> > The HAAT and ERP are almost identical to 99.5's--unless, of course, 99.5 > moves to some other stick that's closer to Boston--assuming that's even > possible. Or if it's possible it could be self-defeating, the way WAAF's > move seems to have turned out. 99.5 could downgrade to a B1 (25 kw/328' equivalent) and move a bit to the south, but it wouldn't gain a lot in the process and would lose big chunks of NH. 99.5 Lowell and 97.5 Burlington/Phila are both full Bs at similar heights, yes - but the big difference is the distance to the center city. It's over 20 miles from downtown Boston to Andover. It's less than 10 from center city Philadelphia to the Wyndmoor tower where 97.5 will go. I've been looking at Longley-Rice projections of the new 97.5 signal. It'll put a solid 70 dBu almost down to the Delaware state line. 99.5 Lowell struggles to get 60 dBu over Boston, and fails to do even that in some areas. That's the difference between hearing the signal on a clock radio and having trouble hearing it even in the car, especially on a quiet, noise-susceptible format like classical. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 31 16:30:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:30:08 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston References: <44CD3E06.19204.D3ABF9@localhost> <002301c6b490$836a2620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <521b7fd10607311209v6216a66ay70494bc34bf38b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c6b4e0$37d333a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I won't rehash the sorry history of WXKW 850 right now--it takes too long, but I pegged BB's age correctly. If he was 15 in 1949, he's a year older than I am. As for John Mounteer, he was a very, very good announcer. I wouldn't call him a jock, though. I suppose that he spun records at times but he mostly did news and commercials, as I recall. Great voice; great on-air presence. And after WXKW left the air, he moved to Boston. He was on WVDA 1260 when I arrived in 1956. Even though he came from a smaller market, I always thought he sounded a little too professional for WVDA, which had sort of a relaxed--maybe a bit quirky--image. As I recall the story, Mounteer left Boston to go back to Albany. He and another former WXKW announcer, Lyell Boseley, put a 500W daytimer on the air on 1600--licensed, I think, to Troy, with studios and transmitter in Watervliet, which is across the Hudson from Troy, a few miles north of Albany. They got the WXKW calls for the 1600 station. I suppose the calls were fitting because I'm almost positive that the 1600 incarnation of WXKW lasted an even shorter time than the 850 incarnation. (Since then, the WXKW calls have appeared in several other markets and lasted the longest, I believe, on 1470 in Allentown PA.) As I understand it, the 1600 incarnation of WXKW became possible when the 5 kW 1600 daytimer in E Longmeadow MA, which had been directional to protect WUNR, got permission to go ND, thus reducing its signal to the east. The soil conductivity in most of the Capital District is decent (although it has some weird anomalies, which explains BB's reference to WPTR's lousy signal. WPTR's signal was lousy in Albany and points south but OK in Troy and Schenectady.) The little 500W 1600 peanut whistle got out OK for 500W on 1600 (which isn't saying much) but the signal really wasn't competitive. I imagine the poor signal and the daytime-only license helped to do in this second WXKW. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kelly" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston > On 7/31/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I'm guessing, but I think Bradley arrived at WROW in 1953 or 1954. I don't > > remember whether he was still at WROW when I graduated from RPI in late May > > 1956, but he may have been. > > A buddy of mine communicates occasionally with BB. i forwarded some > comments peoplke were making on the list and he send these > observations about his time in Albany: > > "Here's a quick summation of my experiences in New York State's fabled > Capitol District, beginning with being a listener of a fellow named > Earle Pudney (!) who played the piano and did mornings at WGY, which > was the only station we could get in North Creek NY in the > Adirondacks, where I spent my soph & junior HS years. This was in > 1948-49 when I was 14 and 15. My mother thought Earle sucked, which > indeed he did, and she said once that if he made any more than $50 a > week,he was being grossly overpaid. I told her that Martin Block at > WNEW was making $75,000 a year (I read it in Parade Magazine) and she > said whoever wrote that article must be a liar because that was far > too much money for such a frivolous occupation. Of course that firmed > my resolve to go into radio as soon as I graduated from High School, > which I did. > > In 1950 we moved to Troy for my Senior year and I graduated from > Lansingburgh HS in June 1951. I was 17. In July, I got my first > radio job at WKAL Rome NY at 75 cents and hour doing morning drive, > making even less than my mom thought Earle Pudney made. It was easy > to get a radio job in 1951 because the Korean War was raging and a lot > of the good jocks were in the service. But I'm getting ahead of > myself: In 1951, WTRY was the hottest radio station in the Tri-cities > by far. They had CBS radio, which meant Arthur Godfrey, who was as > hot then as Oprah is now. They had a first-class news operation, > PLUS, the announcers came to work in business suits (there were no > women on the air) and TWO count 'em TWO guys did the 30 sec break > between net shows. One did the station ID, the other guy read the > spot. > > That's how I envisioned my future, 30 secs of work, then 30 minutes of > buffing my nails. The major personality in town by far was Paul > Flanagan, who was a staffer during the week and did the Tri-City > Ballroom from 10P-1A on Saturday night, a top 10 (or maybe 20) > countdown show in which listeners called up and voted for their fave. > It was a staggeringly popular show, listened to by most adults, and > every kid in town. > > Paul Flanagan was a painfully shy guy, I tried unsuccessfully (by > annoying the hell out of him with constant phone calls)to mentor me > but he just wouldnt. The only other jocks of note in 1951 were Dick > Mills, morning drive at WPTR, a station with such a rotten signal that > it didnt matter how good he was, and Howard Malcolm, also mornings, at > WTRY for a while. > > Dick Mills had a Ford convertible with his name written in big letters > on the sides, and Howard Malcolm was an easy-to- > listen to guy who was always late for work. Since that time, I've > noticed that middle-market jocks who seem too talented for their > venue, are usually gone in a few months, fired for whatever it was > that got them canned from their previous gig. I cant think of any > other station or any other personality that made an impact on me or my > friends during that time. Radio (and everything else) > was under the firm control of our parents in those years and we never > had an inkling of what was on the horizon in just a very few short > years. So I'm going to stop now, and pick it up with a time more > relevant to your life, my years at WROW 1955-59 in a later note. > It may even be later today but right now I need to run a few errands > before the sun melts me down to a senile nub. > > bb BTW you mentioned John Mounteer in your reminiscent email and I > remember him vaguely as the only guy I ever heard of who worked at a > radio station (WXKW) that simply disappeared one day, never to return, > its frequency retired. I assume it was some FCC quirk that did him in > because in those days, every radio station made money. c u later " > > Dan can tell the tale if he wishes - and has - about BB's mention of WXKW/850. > > -- > -RK From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:59:48 2006 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBUR on HD ??? Message-ID: <20060801015948.24892.qmail@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I know there are some people on the list who have knowledge of WBUR. Does WBUR have their HD signal on the air yet? If so, what are they doing for programming (or what will be the plans for) their second HD Channel? thanks -don __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 31 23:00:19 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:00:19 -0400 Subject: Gr. Media Press release In-Reply-To: <04f901c6b4cf$2a290880$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <44CE8B83.15059.752D14@localhost> On 31 Jul 2006 at 14:28, Don A. wrote: > >From the Greater Media corperate website: > "We worked very hard to identify a company that would protect the > classical music format in Boston," said Peter Smyth, Greater Media's > President & CEO. I am both happy and proud that classical music will > continue to have a home on the Boston airwaves. This is a great deal > for all three companies, and for Boston's radio listeners and > advertisers." This is the first I've heard that Greater Media was trying to preserve the classical format. I wonder why. > Charles River Broadcasting Company owns WCRB in Boston, WFCC and WKPE > on Cape Cod, WCRI and WCNX in Rhode Island, along with the World > Classical Network and various real estate holdings. WCRB has been > broadcasting classical music in Boston since 1950. I wonder what will happen to the other Charles River Broadcasting properties. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 31 23:00:20 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:00:20 -0400 Subject: Dick Summer reveals the REAL father of classic rock radio inBoston In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10607311209v6216a66ay70494bc34bf38b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c6b490$836a2620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <44CE8B84.14072.752EA2@localhost> On 31 Jul 2006 at 15:09, Rick Kelly wrote: > "Here's a quick summation of my experiences in New York State's fabled > Capitol District, beginning with being a listener of a fellow named > Earle Pudney (!) who played the piano and did mornings at WGY, which > was the only station we could get in North Creek NY in the > Adirondacks, where I spent my soph & junior HS years. This was in > 1948-49 when I was 14 and 15. I remember Earle Pudney in the morning in the mid-1950s, when I was in grammar school. He also had a regular show on WRGB-TV. > In 1951, WTRY was the hottest radio station in the Tri-cities > by far. They had CBS radio, which meant Arthur Godfrey, who was as > hot then as Oprah is now. They had a first-class news operation, > PLUS, the announcers came to work in business suits (there were no > women on the air) and TWO count 'em TWO guys did the 30 sec break > between net shows. One did the station ID, the other guy read the > spot. Sometime around 1955, or maybe 1956, there was a major shift of radio network affiliations in the Albany area. CBS went from WTRY to WROW, leaving WTRY without a network affiliation. ABC went from WROW to WPTR. And Mutual went from WPTR to WOKO. The only network that stayed put was NBC on WGY. > Paul Flanagan was a painfully shy guy, I tried unsuccessfully (by > annoying the hell out of him with constant phone calls)to mentor me > but he just wouldnt. I remember Paul Flanagan on WTRY, and then he moved to WPTR sometime in 1956, I think. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com