From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 3 18:50:19 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:50:19 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? Message-ID: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> While out and about in the "storm" today, I noticed that the clock on my radiio hit 12:10 and Paul Harvey had not yet said a word on WBZ. No announcement or notice that he had moved - the format just continued as if he didn't exist. Anybody know why? From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 3 18:24:29 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:24:29 -0500 Subject: Severin Return To Terrestrial Radio Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103182150.0253c538@mac.com> Earlier today I heard a promo on WTTK for the return of Jay Severin to terrestrial radio, tonight at 7 PM. I was unaware if Severin had been on non-terestrial radio, I just found it curious that they are promoting it that way. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From DavidMoisan@davidmoisan.org Tue Jan 3 20:58:17 2006 From: DavidMoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:58:17 -0500 Subject: FW: Paul Harvey, Good Night? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: David Moisan Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:11 PM To: 'rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net' Subject: RE: Paul Harvey, Good Night? -----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of rogerkirk >Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:01 PM >To: BRI >Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? >While out and about in the "storm" today, I noticed that the clock on my radiio hit >12:10 and Paul Harvey had not yet said a word on WBZ. No word at 8:37 AM either. He did have someone sub for him Friday but he didn't mention anything about it in particular. Take care, Dave From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 3 22:25:18 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:25:18 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? In-Reply-To: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> At 06:50 PM 1/3/2006, rogerkirk wrote: >While out and about in the "storm" today, I noticed that the clock >on my radiio hit 12:10 and Paul Harvey had not yet said a word on >WBZ. No announcement or notice that he had moved - the format just >continued as if he didn't exist. Anybody know why? WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, apparently. Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) s From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jan 3 22:40:06 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:40:06 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? References: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <158d01c610e0$8e9e3710$6501a8c0@pastor2> No ABC News actualities any longer, either? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: ; "BRI" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey, Good Night? > At 06:50 PM 1/3/2006, rogerkirk wrote: > >While out and about in the "storm" today, I noticed that the clock > >on my radiio hit 12:10 and Paul Harvey had not yet said a word on > >WBZ. No announcement or notice that he had moved - the format just > >continued as if he didn't exist. Anybody know why? > > WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, > apparently. Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) > > s > > From ecps92@earthlink.net Tue Jan 3 22:35:34 2006 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:35:34 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? References: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <068701c610df$ebeae8b0$7001a8c0@D60NFN81> Paul hasn't updated his web site http://www.paulharvey.com/affiliates_ph.php3?region=US&location=MA&begin=0&end=20 WBZ still listed as an affiliate. Bill Dunn N1/KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm [Updated] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: ; "BRI" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey, Good Night? > At 06:50 PM 1/3/2006, rogerkirk wrote: >>While out and about in the "storm" today, I noticed that the clock on my >>radiio hit 12:10 and Paul Harvey had not yet said a word on WBZ. No >>announcement or notice that he had moved - the format just continued as if >>he didn't exist. Anybody know why? > > WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, > apparently. Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) > > s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 03:11:59 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:11:59 -0500 Subject: Severin Return To Terrestrial Radio In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103182150.0253c538@mac.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103182150.0253c538@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601040011k49c2d267ta5780232afffd9a5@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/06, Larry Weil wrote: > Earlier today I heard a promo on WTTK for the return of Jay Severin > to terrestrial radio, tonight at 7 PM. I was unaware if Severin had > been on non-terestrial radio, I just found it curious that they are > promoting it that way. I think it's a nod to Stern _leaving_ terrestrial radio. No, he hasn't been on non- terrestrial radio. I guess he did the odd fill in at other stations during his exile. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 03:14:26 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:14:26 -0500 Subject: Severin's first night as a national talk host Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> Severin's first night as a national talk host (though technically he's done this before; when Gene Burns abruptly left his NYC-based national talk show over some kind of dispute, Severin was brought in as a fill in)... First of all, the show started with the intro of The Laura Ingraham show: "THIS is the Best of Laura Ingraham", and a rerun from a couple weeks back started to play. Board op mistake? Picked up nothing from the satellite? Then abruptly we went into Jay, JIP-ed (joined in progress). He did seem to be "live", blowing a noisemaker in a belated Happy New Year and he started about Tookie getting executed "the other day". As in...Dec. 13??? Severin did briefly bring up the Abramoff matter along with "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists so far have been Muslims" (someone pointed out What about McVeigh?); he talked of religious extemists, which brought out a caller who sounded like she belonged on Air America, saying that all the bills that get passed by Congress are done by far-right Christians, etc. I'll admit I never really listened to Jimmy Severino in depth because he was up against Howie,and I preferred Howie. Jay seemed pompous to me and didn't really do self-deprecating humor like Howie and Hannity do. That still seems to be the case. It's tough to pin him down politically: Republican? No, he said he's not of either party. Conservative? Not necessarily--he called himself a "radical Independent". Libertarian? Who knows. It actually wasn't bad in some ways, and at least I had some political stuff to listen to (the competition on WRKO is either Taste of Boston or "Larry Bird's Not Coming Through That Door, Fans"); can't get into Sully on WBZ. Later there was a rerun of Ingraham, and then Hannity delayed by some 9 hours. The news had already broken that 12 of the 13 miners had been found alive, but we were listening to something from 3 pm, well before that news broke. ______________ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 03:16:58 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:16:58 -0500 Subject: Severin's first night as a national talk host In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601040016x3d304a97y2fb1b750e2d63b60@mail.gmail.com> Oh: I did hear him briefly talk about l'affaire Scot Lehigh/Globe and basically he seemed to brush it aside, feeling the some people who misquote him or accuse him of things he really didn't say don't deserve a response from him. I guess it's Jay's world. We just live in it. From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 4 07:13:28 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:13:28 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> References: <200601031850.AA1009713536@mail.ttlc.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <43BBBBE8.2030001@shoreham.net> Scott Fybush wrote: > WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, > apparently. Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) > > s That is huge. WBZ had a lock on the ABC Info. Netw. (and all of the goodies that went with it, Harvey, etc.) If not for spinning off sub-nets in the 80s like the former Direction, FM, Rock and other newsfeeds, WBZ would have been the sole ABC news source. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 4 10:51:04 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:51:04 -0500 Subject: Rush to be first (was:Re: Severin's first night as a national talk host) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 3:14 AM -0500 1/4/06, Bob Nelson wrote: > and then Hannity delayed by some 9 >hours. The news had already broken that 12 of the 13 miners had been >found alive, but we were listening to something from 3 pm, well >before that news broke. Except that in the rush to be first, everybody got the story wrong. The sad news this morning is that only one of the miners was found alive, and in critical condition. Which also says something sadly about the critical condition of news reporting these days. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From radio88@radio88.net Wed Jan 4 12:11:04 2006 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:11:04 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay Message-ID: Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on 8-second delay 24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk hours" 7pm-5am. But now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on my satellite-driven clock. I'm sure there's a reason for staying on delay continuously, but shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain after the delay, to mark the exact top-of-the-hour? -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed Jan 4 12:44:25 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:44:25 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:25:18 EST." <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200601041744.k04HiP3D013292@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> >WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, >apparently. Man, that rots. "The Rest of the Story" has been part of my afternoon drive-time routine for at least a decade. I was wondering why I didn't hear it yesterday at 5:54, with no mention of its absence; now I know. :-( > Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody picked it up. The all-talk stations would probably view it as too much of an interruption to their existing continuity. The news format has been locked up by 'BZ (and 'BUR too, I suppose, but they can't have it), so that's out now. And I fear 'JIB doesn't reach Acton, where I work... -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From mixer893@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 12:52:22 2006 From: mixer893@yahoo.com (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:52:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ Delay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060104175222.57242.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My guess is that they might be broadcasting in HD-radio now, which takes 8 seconds to process. Have they made any reference to this in any promos or liners? I'll listen for it next time I am listening to a Bruins game in my car. Jeremy --- Todd Glickman wrote: > Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on > 8-second delay > 24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk > hours" 7pm-5am. > But now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on > my > satellite-driven clock. > > I'm sure there's a reason for staying on delay > continuously, but > shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain after the > delay, to mark > the exact top-of-the-hour? > -- > Todd Glickman > Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > 77 Massachusetts Ave. > Cambridge, MA 02139 > Email: glickman@mit.edu > Phone: (617) 452-2457 > > Certified Broadcast Meteorologist > WCBS Newsradio-880 > New York City, NY > Email: radio88@radio88.net > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jan 4 12:57:42 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:57:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17340.3222.99110.316725@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on 8-second delay > 24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk hours" 7pm-5am. > But now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on my > satellite-driven clock. Actually, I don't believe it was their practice to exit delay during the news, except for broadcasts of live events. The time tone was inserted after the profanity delay, however, and now with IBOC there's an additional eight-second codec delay. Listen in the overnights and take note of when the cue tone for the CBS hourly is heard. > I'm sure there's a reason for staying on delay continuously, but > shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain after the delay, to mark > the exact top-of-the-hour? Then the IBOC and analog audio would not be in sync. -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 4 13:22:27 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:22:27 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? References: <200601041744.k04HiP3D013292@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> Message-ID: <163d01c6115b$d1db3ca0$6501a8c0@pastor2> The even more curious thing is why WBZ decided not to continue its affiliation with ABC. Anyone care to speculate? I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the new "CBS Radio" moniker that has replaced Infinity. Does 'BZ now plan to tout itself as Boston's CBS station? It never really has. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Mamros" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "BRI" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey, Good Night? > >WBZ's contract with ABC ended on 12/31 and they didn't renew it, > >apparently. > > Man, that rots. "The Rest of the Story" has been part of my afternoon > drive-time routine for at least a decade. I was wondering why I didn't > hear it yesterday at 5:54, with no mention of its absence; now I know. :-( > > > Let the speculation begin - WRKO? WTKK? WJIB? :-) > > Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody picked it up. The all-talk > stations would probably view it as too much of an interruption to their > existing continuity. The news format has been locked up by 'BZ (and > 'BUR too, I suppose, but they can't have it), so that's out now. And > I fear 'JIB doesn't reach Acton, where I work... > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From radio88@radio88.net Wed Jan 4 13:19:59 2006 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:19:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ "delay" mystery solved Message-ID: Yup, it's HD-radio that causes the 8-second delay. I just talked to a friend who works there, and he confirmed it. -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 4 13:25:01 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:25:01 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay Message-ID: <200601041325.AA3049128188@mail.ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: >...now with IBOC there's an additional eight-second codec delay. How much complex math takes 8 seconds? Or is it a slow processor? From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Jan 4 14:15:57 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:15:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ 'delay' mystery solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41965.12.37.144.130.1136402157.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Wed, January 4, 2006 13:19, Todd Glickman said: > Yup, it's HD-radio that causes the 8-second delay. I just talked to > a friend who works there, and he confirmed it. Well...the folks at WOR compensated for that by running their clocks 8 seconds ahead or something. If someone can get a hold of Tom Ray at WOR -- he's Buckley's Engineering head, he could probably explain it better. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 4 16:10:08 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:10:08 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeps (was: WBZ Delay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC39B0.70901@shoreham.net> Todd Glickman wrote: > but shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain after the delay, to > mark the exact top-of-the-hour? Can someone point out where one can get a top o' hour tone system that doesn't resemble a Heathkit project? Love the tone. One of the way-back tones at WCAP was this big, ancient master control studio clock. Under the "12" Ike Cohen had rigged-up some sort of "U" shaped set of contacts, with a contact at the tip of the second hand. When the second hand swept the first contact it opened the line from the tone oscillator in rack (that was always on) and as it swept the second contact, it closed the switch. The swipe time was about 2 seconds. (It actually worked!) The next generation was that very same tube-job tone oscillator but it was opened and closed by ABC's "00" cue for Information Net. The twin tone was about 2 seconds apart. Even though WCAP didn't air Information (it delayed Direction at :50) it was a solution that worked for many years. The station has been tone-less for sometime now. When Ike passed away, so did most of the secrets of "the museum of broadcasting." Bill (Don't use that tone with me, young man) O'Neill From francini@mac.com Wed Jan 4 17:25:09 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:25:09 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeps (was: WBZ Delay) In-Reply-To: <43BC39B0.70901@shoreham.net> References: <43BC39B0.70901@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <20C8499A-5CDB-4821-87CE-115830726F3F@mac.com> Tones... It used to be the case that the CBS tone that's still used on their radio net was also used on the TV side. I have many childhood memories of the sequence we'd see on the 18" Philco-Ford B&W set at the top of the hour when a new show started: :59:59: Screen would go to black, and the picture would roll once as the station switched from internal sync to network sync :00:00: Bonnng! :00:00.5: Start of new program. "From Television City in Hollywood... Boy the way Glen Miller Played..." [All in the Family] "[teletype bed] This is The CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite" ...etc... I can't name many of the shows, but I can definitely remember the blank-sync change-chime-program start sequence. For the longest time I had my Macs set up to play the CBS chime at the top of the hour (and would again if I could find a high- quality .wav/.mp3 of it), and the CBS click (which brackets radio commercials on the net) as my beep tone. [screetchy Jean Stapleton voice] Those Were The Daaaaaayyysss! john On 4 Jan 2006, at 16:10, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Todd Glickman wrote: >> but shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain after the delay, to >> mark the exact top-of-the-hour? > Can someone point out where one can get a top o' hour tone system > that doesn't resemble a Heathkit project? > > Love the tone. One of the way-back tones at WCAP was > this big, ancient master control studio clock. Under the "12" Ike > Cohen had rigged-up some sort of "U" shaped set of contacts, with a > contact at the tip of the second hand. When the second hand swept > the first contact it opened the line from the tone oscillator in > rack (that was always on) and as it swept the second contact, it > closed the switch. The swipe time was about 2 seconds. (It actually > worked!) The next generation was that very same tube-job tone > oscillator but it was opened and closed by ABC's "00" cue for > Information Net. The twin tone was about 2 seconds apart. Even > though WCAP didn't air Information (it delayed Direction at :50) it > was a solution that worked for many years. The station has been > tone-less for sometime now. When Ike passed away, so did most of > the secrets of "the museum of broadcasting." > > Bill (Don't use that tone with me, young man) O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 4 17:43:53 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:43:53 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. Message-ID: <200601041743.AA1884029080@mail.ttlc.net> According to an e-mail from Erin Moran (Office Administrator for New & Programming) at WBZ, Paul Harvey is syndicated through the ABC Radio Network, but when they "re-negotiated" a new agreement with ABC, it did not include continuation of Mr. Harvey's show. Even though it's been great to have him all these years, they decided to continue with more of WBZ's local news format as they do during the rest of the day. And that's the way it is..... The People Have [been] Spoken [for]. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 19:00:46 2006 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:00:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: And OH...... and those horrble telco lines (Re: Speaking of Beeps (was: WBZ Delay) In-Reply-To: <20C8499A-5CDB-4821-87CE-115830726F3F@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060105000046.85998.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> WOW!!! What memories you have, John!! I also recall that prior to February, 1978, all network audio from the Big 3 major networks and PBS were fed on 5,000 kHz lines to the Boston affilates (and everywhere else, for that matter). They truly sounded like crap. But that's all there was and "there ain't no mo". I was fascinated by the sound of the network audio on the NYC O+O's (WCBS-TV, WNBC-TV and WABC-TV) when I visited New York in 1975. Full quality 15 kHz! I always wondered why we could not get the same network audio quality on the local level here in Boston. Well, we had a little "sneak preview" in June, 1973 and later on in 1974. The ABC feed to from AT&T long-lines was disrupted for some reason or another in June '73. SO, ABC provided a microwaved version to both WCVB and WTEV for a brief period until the lines were repaired. The microwave feed on ABC sounded like the network audio you would hear in New York on WABC-TV (Channel 7). It only lasted a few days and .... the 5,000 kHz monster was back it's full-glory. (Yuck!) In 1974, WPRI-TV (Channel 12) somehow got a full-quality microwave feed from CBS and stuck with it until they left CBS for ABC in 1977. Same quality audio you would heard if you were in New York on WCBS-TV (Channel 2). Thank God, those old AT&T long-lines for TV are LONG gone!!!! 73, Peter Q. George --- John Francini wrote: > Tones... > > It used to be the case that the CBS tone that's > still used on their > radio net was also used on the TV side. I have many > childhood > memories of the sequence we'd see on the 18" > Philco-Ford B&W set at > the top of the hour when a new show started: > > :59:59: Screen would go to black, and the picture > would roll once as > the station switched from internal sync to network > sync > :00:00: Bonnng! > :00:00.5: Start of new program. > "From Television City in Hollywood... Boy the way > Glen Miller > Played..." [All in the Family] > "[teletype bed] This is The CBS Evening News with > Walter Cronkite" > ...etc... > > I can't name many of the shows, but I can definitely > remember the > blank-sync change-chime-program start sequence. > > > For the longest time I had my Macs set up to play > the CBS chime at > the top of the hour (and would again if I could find > a high- > quality .wav/.mp3 of it), and the CBS click (which > brackets radio > commercials on the net) as my beep tone. > > > [screetchy Jean Stapleton voice] Those Were The > Daaaaaayyysss! > > john > > > > On 4 Jan 2006, at 16:10, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > > Todd Glickman wrote: > >> but shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain > after the delay, to > >> mark the exact top-of-the-hour? > > Can someone point out where one can get a top o' > hour tone system > > that doesn't resemble a Heathkit project? > > > > Love the tone. One of the way-back > tones at WCAP was > > this big, ancient master control studio clock. > Under the "12" Ike > > Cohen had rigged-up some sort of "U" shaped set of > contacts, with a > > contact at the tip of the second hand. When the > second hand swept > > the first contact it opened the line from the tone > oscillator in > > rack (that was always on) and as it swept the > second contact, it > > closed the switch. The swipe time was about 2 > seconds. (It actually > > worked!) The next generation was that very same > tube-job tone > > oscillator but it was opened and closed by ABC's > "00" cue for > > Information Net. The twin tone was about 2 > seconds apart. Even > > though WCAP didn't air Information (it delayed > Direction at :50) it > > was a solution that worked for many years. The > station has been > > tone-less for sometime now. When Ike passed away, > so did most of > > the secrets of "the museum of broadcasting." > > > > > Bill (Don't use that tone with me, young man) > O'Neill > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 19:15:37 2006 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:15:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. In-Reply-To: <200601041743.AA1884029080@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20060105001537.91577.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Stupid move (IMHO). Paul Harvey was one of the only reasons why I would take my lunch hour and listen to WBZ during the noon hour, never mind the "Paul Harvey News and Comment" at 8:37 in the morning and "The Rest Of The Story" just before 6 in the evening. Paul Harvey is a national treasure to be sure. I hope WTKK or somebody else in the market could clear Paul's programming. It just isn't the same without him. If WBZ doesn't clear him, it would seem that his shows are fair game for anybody who wishes to carry him. With all due respect...'BZ, you blew it. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts > According to an e-mail from Erin Moran (Office > Administrator for New & Programming) at WBZ, Paul > Harvey is syndicated through the ABC Radio Network, > but when they "re-negotiated" a new agreement with > ABC, it did not include continuation of Mr. Harvey's > show. Even though it's been great to have him all > these years, they decided to continue with more of > WBZ's local news format as they do during the rest > of the day. > > And that's the way it is..... > > The People Have [been] Spoken [for]. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 19:16:59 2006 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: I mean..... 5 kHz! (Ooooops!) In-Reply-To: <20060105000046.85998.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060105001659.91884.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 4 19:21:31 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:21:31 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. Message-ID: <200601041921.AA3188916476@mail.ttlc.net> "Peter Q. George" penned: >Paul Harvey was one of the only >reasons why I would take my lunch hour and listen to >WBZ during the noon hour, never mind the "Paul Harvey >News and Comment" at 8:37 in the morning and "The Rest >Of The Story" just before 6 in the evening. I thought the Noon Edition was a fitting break in the never-ending cycle of stories on BZ. Plus, I'd get to hear Gil Santos' Sports Commentary immediately thereafter. "The Rest Of The Story" was always a good listen and I tried (along with evereyone else) to guess about whom he was talking. Come Back Paul! We Love ya! From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 4 21:11:31 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:11:31 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. In-Reply-To: <20060105001537.91577.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060105001537.91577.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BC8053.7030104@shoreham.net> Peter Q. George wrote: > Stupid move (IMHO). Paul Harvey was one of the only > reasons why I would take my lunch hour and listen to > WBZ during the noon hour, I'm glad to be within earshot of WGY! Bill O'Neill From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 20:31:22 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:31:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSMN top of hour now non-parallel WSNH (Nashua 1590 and 900) Message-ID: <20060105013122.9697.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WSMN 1590 Nashua NH now leads the hour with "Revied in oh-five, new prgram mix in oh-six, WSMN.... into USA Radio News, while WSNH ESPN 900 does Sports Center. The rest of the hour appears to still be totally simulcast. John B Derry NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 4 21:54:40 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:54:40 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. References: <20060105001537.91577.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43BC8053.7030104@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <16b101c611a3$604a47a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Now that 'BZ is out of the picture, what is the station nearest Boston that continues to carry Paul Harvey? WPRO and WEIM are the nearest ABC affiliates, I think. He's no longer heard here in Maine, to my knowledge, except on those odd, occasional winter days when WGY comes in. He'll be missed. :-( Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Peter Q. George" Cc: "BRI" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. > Peter Q. George wrote: > > Stupid move (IMHO). Paul Harvey was one of the only > > reasons why I would take my lunch hour and listen to > > WBZ during the noon hour, > I'm glad to be within earshot of WGY! > > Bill O'Neill > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Jan 4 22:16:46 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:16:46 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. In-Reply-To: <16b101c611a3$604a47a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000001c611a6$7644c6e0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Drown Subject: Re: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. (snip)He's no longer heard here in Maine, to my knowledge, except on those odd, occasional winter days when WGY comes in. He'll be missed. :-( Actually, Uncle Paul does his thing on WPOR FM 101.9 (Portland) as well as on AM 1400 (WVAE-Biddeford) and 1490 (WBAE-Portland). And NOW you know... The rrrrrrest... Of the story. Good'ay! - -Chuck (remember when Good Day was hosted by JW's daddy?) Igo From francini@mac.com Wed Jan 4 23:34:31 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John J. Francini) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:34:31 -0500 Subject: And OH...... and those horrble telco lines (Re: Speaking of Beeps (was: WBZ Delay) In-Reply-To: <20060105000046.85998.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060105000046.85998.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, the sound quality on the TVs available to me in the 70s was such that I didn't really notice much difference between the network feed and the local audio. Sound in most TVs back then was crap, crap, crap. And it wasn't just the speaker; the entire audio chain on most sets wasn't designed to pass much more than about 8 or so KHz. TV set sound didn't improve markedly until stereo broadcasting became available. Only then did manufacturers start throwing some money into better audio. There may well have been some sets with good audio available before stereo TV sound was commonplace, but we certainly didn't have such a set until perhaps the mid 80s... j At 16:00 -0800 1/4/06, Peter Q. George wrote: >WOW!!! What memories you have, John!! I also recall >that prior to February, 1978, all network audio from >the Big 3 major networks and PBS were fed on 5,000 kHz >lines to the Boston affilates (and everywhere else, >for that matter). They truly sounded like crap. But >that's all there was and "there ain't no mo". I was >fascinated by the sound of the network audio on the >NYC O+O's (WCBS-TV, WNBC-TV and WABC-TV) when I >visited New York in 1975. Full quality 15 kHz! I >always wondered why we could not get the same network >audio quality on the local level here in Boston. >Well, we had a little "sneak preview" in June, 1973 >and later on in 1974. The ABC feed to from AT&T >long-lines was disrupted for some reason or another in >June '73. SO, ABC provided a microwaved version to >both WCVB and WTEV for a brief period until the lines >were repaired. The microwave feed on ABC sounded like >the network audio you would hear in New York on >WABC-TV (Channel 7). It only lasted a few days and >.... the 5,000 kHz monster was back it's full-glory. >(Yuck!) > >In 1974, WPRI-TV (Channel 12) somehow got a >full-quality microwave feed from CBS and stuck with it >until they left CBS for ABC in 1977. Same quality >audio you would heard if you were in New York on >WCBS-TV (Channel 2). > >Thank God, those old AT&T long-lines for TV are LONG >gone!!!! > > >73, Peter Q. George > >--- John Francini wrote: > >> Tones... >> >> It used to be the case that the CBS tone that's >> still used on their >> radio net was also used on the TV side. I have many >> childhood >> memories of the sequence we'd see on the 18" >> Philco-Ford B&W set at >> the top of the hour when a new show started: >> >> :59:59: Screen would go to black, and the picture >> would roll once as >> the station switched from internal sync to network >> sync >> :00:00: Bonnng! >> :00:00.5: Start of new program. >> "From Television City in Hollywood... Boy the way >> Glen Miller >> Played..." [All in the Family] >> "[teletype bed] This is The CBS Evening News with >> Walter Cronkite" >> ...etc... >> >> I can't name many of the shows, but I can definitely >> remember the >> blank-sync change-chime-program start sequence. >> >> >> For the longest time I had my Macs set up to play >> the CBS chime at >> the top of the hour (and would again if I could find >> a high- >> quality .wav/.mp3 of it), and the CBS click (which >> brackets radio >> commercials on the net) as my beep tone. >> >> >> [screetchy Jean Stapleton voice] Those Were The >> Daaaaaayyysss! >> >> john >> >> >> >> On 4 Jan 2006, at 16:10, Bill O'Neill wrote: >> >> > Todd Glickman wrote: >> >> but shouldn't the time tone be in the airchain >> after the delay, to >> >> mark the exact top-of-the-hour? >> > Can someone point out where one can get a top o' >> hour tone system >> > that doesn't resemble a Heathkit project? >> > >> > Love the tone. One of the way-back >> tones at WCAP was >> > this big, ancient master control studio clock. >> Under the "12" Ike >> > Cohen had rigged-up some sort of "U" shaped set of >> contacts, with a > > > contact at the tip of the second hand. When the >> second hand swept >> > the first contact it opened the line from the tone >> oscillator in >> > rack (that was always on) and as it swept the >> second contact, it >> > closed the switch. The swipe time was about 2 >> seconds. (It actually >> > worked!) The next generation was that very same >> tube-job tone >> > oscillator but it was opened and closed by ABC's >> "00" cue for >> > Information Net. The twin tone was about 2 >> seconds apart. Even >> > though WCAP didn't air Information (it delayed >> Direction at :50) it >> > was a solution that worked for many years. The >> station has been >> > tone-less for sometime now. When Ike passed away, >> so did most of >> > the secrets of "the museum of broadcasting." >> >> > >> > Bill (Don't use that tone with me, young man) >> O'Neill >> >> > > >Peter Q. George (K1XRB) >Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" >radiojunkie1@yahoo.com >radiojunkie3@yahoo.com >*********************************************************** > > > >__________________________________________ >Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. >Just $16.99/mo. or less. >dsl.yahoo.com -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 -0500 Subject: Rush to be first (was:Re: Severin's first night as a national talk host) In-Reply-To: References: <1fbbbced0601040014k296f1c04oc459d47eeb1f7580@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43BC697D.4846.734C1A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 10:51, Larry Weil wrote: > Except that in the rush to be first, everybody got the story wrong. > The sad news this morning is that only one of the miners was found > alive, and in critical condition. Which also says something sadly > about the critical condition of news reporting these days. The rush to be first has caused some inexcusable journalistic gaffes from time to time, but this wasn't one of them. This appears to have been caused by a miscommunication from the rescuers, which caused the company to announce that there were 12 survivors. The media quite properly reported the company's announcement. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? In-Reply-To: <200601041744.k04HiP3D013292@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:25:18 EST." <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <43BC697D.1059.734CD8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 12:44, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody picked it up. The all-talk > stations would probably view it as too much of an interruption to > their existing continuity. The news format has been locked up by 'BZ > (and 'BUR too, I suppose, but they can't have it), so that's out now. > And I fear 'JIB doesn't reach Acton, where I work... Actually I think it does in the daytime, at least on a car radio. I've heard it in Worcester. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay In-Reply-To: <17340.3222.99110.316725@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: Message-ID: <43BC697D.1381.734E4B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 12:57, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Then the IBOC and analog audio would not be in sync. Once again accuracy takes a back seat. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Night? In-Reply-To: <43BBBBE8.2030001@shoreham.net> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103222440.033487c8@fybush.com> Message-ID: <43BC697D.28981.734B5C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 7:13, Bill O'Neill wrote: > That is huge. WBZ had a lock on the ABC Info. Netw. (and all of the > goodies that went with it, Harvey, etc.) If not for spinning off > sub-nets in the 80s like the former Direction, FM, Rock and other > newsfeeds, WBZ would have been the sole ABC news source. If I recall correctly, the ABC affiliation goes back to the Group W days. Now that WBZ is owned by CBS, maybe they want to have more time for CBS news. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:04 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:04 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43BC697C.10421.7349CC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 12:11, Todd Glickman wrote: > Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on 8-second delay > 24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk hours" 7pm-5am. But > now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on my satellite-driven > clock. So we can no longer set our watches by the WBZ time tone. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 00:34:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. In-Reply-To: <200601041743.AA1884029080@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <43BC697D.31087.734DA1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2006 at 17:43, rogerkirk wrote: > According to an e-mail from Erin Moran (Office Administrator for New & > Programming) at WBZ, Paul Harvey is syndicated through the ABC Radio > Network, but when they "re-negotiated" a new agreement with ABC, it > did not include continuation of Mr. Harvey's show. Even though it's > been great to have him all these years, they decided to continue with > more of WBZ's local news format as they do during the rest of the day. Meaning they still =have= an affiliation with ABC? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 5 01:03:07 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:03:07 -0500 Subject: WBZ Delay In-Reply-To: <43BC697C.10421.7349CC@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <43BC697C.10421.7349CC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <43BCB69B.70603@cssinc.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 4 Jan 2006 at 12:11, Todd Glickman wrote: > > > >>Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on 8-second delay >>24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk hours" 7pm-5am. But >>now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on my satellite-driven >>clock. >> >> > >So we can no longer set our watches by the WBZ time tone. > > > Wow. When you bill your clients for time, you don't fool around! -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 03:08:18 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:08:18 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeps (was: WBZ Delay) In-Reply-To: <20C8499A-5CDB-4821-87CE-115830726F3F@mac.com> References: <43BC39B0.70901@shoreham.net> <20C8499A-5CDB-4821-87CE-115830726F3F@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601050008y782fda60vb8127398f24431f2@mail.gmail.com> TVParty.com, a TV nostalgia site, plays that "bonnng" sound when you click on the page. http://www.tvparty.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 04:30:54 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:30:54 -0500 Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601050130r195fcb22q1fdd4f1fc6d290c0@mail.gmail.com> http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/shots/ As we mentioned earlier...no over-the-air TV for Sox this yr (excepting for Fox25 games via Fox) "The Red Sox will be taking the package away from its "over-the-air" partner of three season (UPN38), preferring to keep its full roster of games on NESN." From mixer893@yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 05:13:53 2006 From: mixer893@yahoo.com (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:13:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 Message-ID: <20060105101353.36872.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I find it really sad that more and more sports broadcasts are starting to require fans to pay for cable in order to view any games. One of the many things that takes "local" out of local broadcasts I guess. I remember when WSBK carried all of the Bruins games, and then half of them, now they carry none. Of course these were the days before the station had any network affiliation. There's really not any purpose for Maine cable companies to even carry WSBK anymore. I had a conversation last year with someone about how great it was that WSBK was carrying Friday games for the benefit of those who don't have NESN...so much for that. I guess if you want to watch a Sox game, you need to dish out the money for cable/satellite, or go down to the local bar and spend more money there just so you can see a game once in a while.... Jeremy __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 10:23:10 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:23:10 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re:WBZ "delay" mystery solved; 1.090 Now IBOC Message-ID: <43BD39DE.3040905@Gmail.com> Todd Glickman wrote, then replied, >> Recently, it appears as though WBZ-AM is running on 8-second delay >> 24/7. They used to only be on delay during "talk hours" 7pm-5am. >> But now, the time tone beeps at xx:00:08, as seen on my >> satellite-driven clock. > Yup, it's HD-radio that causes the 8-second delay. I just talked to > a friend who works there, and he confirmed it. So what's changed in the past month? 'BZ has been IBOC for over 2 years, *AND* the delay is still there when IBOC is off! Even when they were on "talk hours delay", the TOH tone was on time. (Speaking of "talk hours" delay, remember before the computer assisted "delay catchups", they would run this spacey "whawwwwwl...woooooooorrrrrr...weaaaawl" type loop--sometimes 2-3 times for long excisions! P=)--this, way back in the days of Guy Mainella, when he did political/current events talk.) Also, I noted WILD-1.090 with IBOC for the first time Tuesday afternoon. P=( ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Jan 5 10:32:52 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:32:52 -0500 Subject: Rush to be first (was:Re: Severin's first night as a national talk host) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:05 EST." <43BC697D.4846.734C1A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <200601051532.k05FWq9L003909@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> >The rush to be first has caused some inexcusable journalistic gaffes >from time to time, but this wasn't one of them. This appears to have >been caused by a miscommunication from the rescuers, which caused the >company to announce that there were 12 survivors. The media quite >properly reported the company's announcement. Actually, from accounts I've read, the media got the (incorrect) info from the miners' families and the governor, not the mining company. The company did err in not getting the correct info to the families sooner, but they had never made a formal announcement to the families or anyone else before then. Many members of the media, in turn, erred in not properly reporting the source(s) of their info. The original source of the error apparently came in the relay of communications from the rescuers underground, to a second team in a "fresh-air" area of the mine, to the command center. The command center then apparently violated protocol by leaking the "good news" to the families. Meanwhile, the rescuers were busy trying to keep the one surviving miner alive, and didn't communicate back until much later, at which point the news that there was only one survivor was finally made clear to the command center. I grew up in Pittsburgh, so I keep tabs on the news from there on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's website. They had reporters on the scene in WV, so I prefer their accounts to the rehashed info from the AP. Their story on the bungled communications can be found at http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06005/632974.stm . -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 11:45:52 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 In-Reply-To: <20060105101353.36872.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060105101353.36872.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601050845u2de75d1dq6396d3b838fcae6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/5/06, Jeremy Mixer wrote: > I find it really sad that more and more sports > broadcasts are starting to require fans to pay for > cable in order to view any games I remember hearing that the Indians were going to all-Cable...and the Celtics and Bruins are both all-cable, aren't they? I do have cable and NESN is on Expanded Basic and certainly if it were still "$10 extra" I'd probably pay to have it, but they really should be on free TV in some way--even just once a week. Other than when they happen to be on Fox's Saturday game of the week, this isn't going to happen. For those without cable (especially those who can't afford it) it's "go to a bar, or listen on the radio". One reason the current ownership group coveted the team was the money-making potential of NESN and they're helping their own cause right now by keeping it NESN only but they deprive the fans. --Bob From mixer893@yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 12:19:19 2006 From: mixer893@yahoo.com (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:19:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601050845u2de75d1dq6396d3b838fcae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060105171919.78637.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob wrote: > I remember hearing that the Indians were going to > all-Cable...and the > Celtics and Bruins are both all-cable, aren't they? The Bruins are on NESN exclusively. . The Celtics are on Fox Sports New England exclusively. I beleive NESN is actually owned by both the Bruins and the Red Sox. If I remember right, during the early baseball season before hockey season is over with, if the Bruins and Red Sox play at the same time there is actually a second NESN that pops up somewhere. For those > without cable > (especially those who can't afford it) it's "go to a > bar, or listen on > the radio". Exactly....I don't think the modern person really wants to sit in their livingroom gathered around the radio. > right now by keeping it NESN only but they > deprive the fans. They seem to be completely shutting out those that can't afford cable. Look at the recent high school graduates and college students living on their own that have grown up watching the Red Sox and now they have to either dish out money they don't have for cable or they have to go somewhere that does have cable....I think it's not a good way to treat dedicated fans that at least had their Friday games broadcast before.... Ah, how money changes everything! Jeremy __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From wayne@vacationdreams.org Thu Jan 5 12:34:55 2006 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (Wayne Carter) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:55 -0500 Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 Message-ID: On the other hand, I now live in central Florida, and I would miss every game played on UPN-38, but can see the NESN games via my DirecTV connection... so I will be one of the few that this change actually benefits! Wayne in Davenport, FL >On 1/5/06, Jeremy Mixer wrote: >> I find it really sad that more and more sports >> broadcasts are starting to require fans to pay for >> cable in order to view any games > >I remember hearing that the Indians were going to all-Cable...and the >Celtics and Bruins are both all-cable, aren't they? I do have cable >and NESN is on Expanded Basic >and certainly if it were still "$10 extra" I'd probably pay to have >it, but they really should be on free TV in some way--even just once a >week. Other than when they happen to be on >Fox's Saturday game of the week, this isn't going to happen. For those >without cable >(especially those who can't afford it) it's "go to a bar, or listen on >the radio". > >One reason the current ownership group coveted the team was the >money-making potential of NESN and they're helping their own cause >right now by keeping it NESN only but they >deprive the fans. > >--Bob -- ************************************************************************************************************* Ready for your Florida Disney vacation? Give me a call! 888-419-4245 Discount Disney at the Vacation Dreams Network!! ************************************************************************************************************* "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart as working for the Lord, not for men." Colossians 3:23 "Serving with Honesty and Integrity..." http://vacationdreams.org/waynec/honesty_and_integrity.html ************************************************************************************************************* All email transmissions are expected to be personal and confidential for the party intended. If you have received this communication and are not the intended recipient, please discard immediately. Forwarding or dissemination of this information is prohibited without consent of the sending party. From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 5 12:35:35 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:35:35 -0500 Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 In-Reply-To: <20060105171919.78637.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060105171919.78637.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1136482535.43bd58e7c8de5@webmail.shoreham.net> Quoting Jeremy Mixer : > The Bruins are on NESN exclusively. . The Celtics are > on Fox Sports New England exclusively. > > Ah, how money changes everything! Ah, yes. Yet another fine, fine reason to shift our support to Pawtucket, Lowell, Manchester, Burlington and, of course, our kids' school ball. One of the best experiences I've had since moving here to Vermont is going to my kids' games and practices. Good conversation with the other parents and you can't beat the price. Plus, it's about the kids, not overpaid whiners who make headlines whenever they quit a job, shave their beard, or actually do what they are compensated to do - play a game. Bill (will shave beard for a fee) O'Neill From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 14:02:08 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [B-R-I] Re:WBZ "delay" mystery solved; 1.090 Now IBOC In-Reply-To: <43BD39DE.3040905@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060105190208.9520.qmail@web30712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > (Speaking of "talk hours" delay, remember before the computer assisted "delay catchups", they would run this spacey > "whawwwwwl...woooooooorrrrrr...weaaaawl" type loop Was this before or after WBZ used: "Ooooh oooooh, you just said a no-no........ ooooh oooooh you just said a no-no" John B Derry N1QGS From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jan 5 14:24:32 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:24:32 -0500 Subject: Scott's Shots: Sox gone from 38 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D6A1CCF-D485-409F-ACD8-9B94B11F55CC@mac.com> On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Wayne Carter wrote: > On the other hand, I now live in central Florida, and I would miss > every game played on UPN-38, but can see the NESN games via my > DirecTV connection... so I will be one of the few that this change > actually benefits! I like my DirecTV but I'll lose out with this plan. I can get WSBK in HD off-air, but DirecTV doesn't offer either NESN or WSBK in HD. From bill.smith@comcast.net Thu Jan 5 16:38:50 2006 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:38:50 +0000 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps Message-ID: <010520062138.17244.43BD91EA0004A57B0000435C2200745672089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> I believe the CAP's top of the hour tone -- and a good, healthy tone it was -- was a Dave Cate invention (he did all the work, oft-times using modified Heathkit stuff, but was never the CE because that spot was reserved for the mysterious Third Brother, Teddy Cohen). As I recall, when the second hand was sweeping the top of the hour the U-thing would "hold" the second hand for the burst of tone, and then it would snap ahead to HR:00:02, so if the announcer in "Master" was standing and had the mic potted up, the click of the snapping would be picked up on mic. This didn't happen when the announcer was seated and the mic thus shielded by the rise of the world's only functioning CCA board. Once, the tone stopped functioning and this became a major executive priority, which was bliss for the staff since it gave them something to do. Bill O'Neil wrote: > Love the tone. One of the way-back tones at WCAP was > this big, ancient master control studio clock. Under the "12" Ike > Cohen had rigged-up some sort of "U" shaped set of contacts, with a > contact at the tip of the second hand. When the second hand swept > the first contact it opened the line from the tone oscillator in > rack (that was always on) and as it swept the second contact, it > closed the switch. The swipe time was about 2 seconds. (It actually > worked!) From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu Jan 5 17:38:27 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:38:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Speaking of Beeeps In-Reply-To: <010520062138.17244.43BD91EA0004A57B0000435C2200745672089B07039CD20404 070D@comcast.net> References: <010520062138.17244.43BD91EA0004A57B0000435C2200745672089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47137.12.37.144.130.1136500707.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Thu, January 5, 2006 16:38, bill.smith@comcast.net said: > mic thus shielded by the rise of the world's only functioning CCA board. Does anyone have any photographs of the WCAP studios they could share? Does the place still look the same? Or have they folded with the trends and modernised? :( -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 5 18:04:15 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:04:15 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps References: <010520062138.17244.43BD91EA0004A57B0000435C2200745672089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> <47137.12.37.144.130.1136500707.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <003c01c6124c$5c24d510$69081f42@Mark> Stephanie Weil wrote: > Does anyone have any photographs of the WCAP studios they could share? > > Does the place still look the same? Or have they folded with the trends > and modernised? :( The most modern pieces of equipment in the WCAP studios as of my last time on the premises (Dec.19-21, 2005, when I hosted the annual " Talk To Santa" programs) were a DVD player in the production/talk studio. (DVD player used as a CD player for the brokered ethnic shows to use). Next oldest item would be the production studio computer & a computer in master that has bumper music on ot. Otherwise, it's the same old "museum" that we know and love. The current boards in use are early 80's vintage Radio Systems models, one in each studio. There's an old Sparta 4 rotary pot console in the news booth. The newsroom still has the antique Motorola 2-way base station, although I don't believe it's worked in years. The 1974 GMC mobile studio still has the 60's era Motorola 2-way in it as well. There are two pictures of WCAP on Scott Fybush's NERW site (www.fybush.com) that were taken when on his New England visit last June. Go to "Archives", click on "Photo Galleries", then click " Boston Area 2005" and the WCAP pics are in the top row next to the WJMN pics. I didn't think of bringing my camera along when I was there last month, but I guess I'll have to get in there to some pictures of the other parts of the "museum". Mark Watson From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Jan 5 18:15:46 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:15:46 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps In-Reply-To: <47137.12.37.144.130.1136500707.squirrel@12.37.144.130> References: <010520062138.17244.43BD91EA0004A57B0000435C2200745672089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> <47137.12.37.144.130.1136500707.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <17341.43170.841059.360866@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Does anyone have any photographs of the WCAP studios they could share? You will find some from last June on this very Web site. -GAWollman From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jan 5 21:32:12 2006 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:32:12 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey, Good Bye? Yes. In-Reply-To: <16b101c611a3$604a47a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <20060105001537.91577.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43BC8053.7030104@shoreham.net> <16b101c611a3$604a47a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: Wow, so WBZ screws up twice. First, no Paul Harvey, so that's twice a day I won't be listening to them (8:37 AM and 5:55 PM). And now you can't set your clocks to their tone since it now sounds at eight seconds past the hour. Can't they put the tone outside the delayed audio chain? Doesn't WTIC Hartford do this with their "victory" tone? WEIM Fitchburg, here I come! Paul Harvey News at 8:30 AM on the way to work, 12:06 PM (although I haven't listened to the mid-day show for years) and 5:30 PM for The Rest of the Story. (But their signal won't reach to where I am at that time, commuting from Nashua, so I'll have to see if I can get one of the New Hampshire affiliates. Paul From bill.smith@comcast.net Fri Jan 6 11:17:35 2006 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:17:35 +0000 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps Message-ID: <010620061617.3402.43BE981F00035C1300000D4A2207300033089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> There seem to be CAP alum everywhere, and half of them seem to be practicing law. I was there 79-84, arriving when they got rid of the jocks and went to automation that was tended by the news dept., which, after changing reels, invariably forgot to turn on the ancient RCA cart machine that fired off Jerry Bishop's liners when it detected a right channel tone at the start of a song with musical intro of serven seconds or longer on an unvoiced reel ("Billerica...Here's a song for you from Music 98" or "It's a slushy day. Be careful and take Radio 98 to get you through" or my favorite "Wow, It's a scorcher. Beat the heat and relax with Music 98"). I bet if you hopped on the Motorola 2-way today, keyed the mic and said "KCG492 Base to Unit 2," Mo would answer you. I looked at the Fybush pictures and it's remarkably similar to what I found in 1979, save swapping the CCA board for another by a similarly obscure manufacturer and adding a PC to the on-air studio and STL equipment to the racks. Even the orange folder on the wall holding the EBS instructions and code word envelope is unchanged!! I just wonder if the Grace Kelly Memorial Flashing Lights, installed per order of Ike Cohen after the ABC net bulletin on her death went unaired, are still on the newsroom window opposite the sales manager's office... From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 14:06:27 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:06:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSMN non-parallel WSNH (Nashua 1590 and 900) In-Reply-To: <20060105013122.9697.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060106190627.61843.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> More non-simulcast programing tonight (Friday) at 7pm. WSMN 1590 AM Nashua NH will be carrying basketball play by play. WSNH 900 AM Nashua NH will be acting as the flagship station for Friday Nights Light, NH Basketball version. John B Derry NH From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 6 21:00:24 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:00:24 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps In-Reply-To: <010620061617.3402.43BE981F00035C1300000D4A2207300033089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> References: <010620061617.3402.43BE981F00035C1300000D4A2207300033089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43BF20B8.9030601@shoreham.net> bill.smith@comcast.net wrote: > There seem to be CAP alum everywhere, and half of them seem to be practicing law. And the other half is retaining them. > I was there 79-84, arriving when they got rid of the jocks and went to automation that was tended by the news dept., which, after changing reels, invariably forgot to turn on the ancient RCA cart machine that fired off Jerry Bishop's liners when it detected a right channel tone at the start of a song with musical intro of serven seconds or longer on an unvoiced reel ...and it was Bill Smith, evening newsman, when this college kid got his first regular jock shift, 6-mid. I was honored to change the temperature cards in the window between master and the "front booth." There were two sets of little cards with "0" to "9" each. You'd check the temperature from the window in the "jock lounge" and then order the corresponding two digits and lean them up against the news booth glass. It was always enjoyable to make it 83 during a blizzard just for the reax. Certain newsmen, especially with oddly curly hair, (not Smither), didn't take kindly to such, not wanting to be made sport of. And that was the time when we would recite temperatures in both Fahrenheit and Celcius. Smith would occasion to tape a piece of old copy to the window near or after his "eleven" with markings designating the official invitation to entertain a post-shift cold, refreshing beverage at the high class establishment on the building's street level. With some of the "bands" performing in the establishment (covering cover bands covering covers) one could "feel" the music rising through the studio floor such that minus 9 dB impact during a stop set was not unusual. Nothing like a listener (or 3) witnessing the closing out of a sizzling Manilow toe-tapper only to be serenaded by a $175 a week kid with the lottery numbers awkwardly battling it out over the rhythmic stylings of Freebird and the essence of the occasional breaking glass. Oh, and don't forget the mating cat noises from the alley outside of the 75 pound studio window. Speaking of which, who may remember "The WCAP Alley Beater?" That was a respectable piece of wood that served as something to hold open the window to the fire escape as well as a fine defensive tool. One never knew what to expect in the back alley especially prior to when the ubiquitous urban renewal arrived to the back alley, the homeless were dispatched forthwith, and a gate was installed. > I just wonder if the Grace Kelly Memorial Flashing Lights, installed per order of Ike Cohen after the ABC net bulletin on her death went unaired, are still on the newsroom window opposite the sales manager's office... I recall it was a light bar with four standard light bulb sockets. Three of the lights were spray painted, red, blue, and green (flash, bulletin, advisory) I forget what the white bulb was for. I do know that when Reagan was shot all four lit up. Grace Kelly would have been proud. KCG492 clear. Bill O'Neill From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 20:25:25 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:25:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Woody Woodland back on WSMN 1590 AM Nashua NH In-Reply-To: <20060106190627.61843.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060107012525.85343.qmail@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Local, but much traveled host Woody Woodland will be back on WSMN 1590 AM Nashua NH, starting Monday the 9th. I believe the announcement said his show would run from 7AM to 9AM. John B Derry NH From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Jan 6 20:59:51 2006 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: BIG doings in D.C., for you DXers Message-ID: <200601070159.UAA24308@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> As of March, WTOP vacates 1500 for good and moves to 103.5 permanently. "Washington Post Radio" reportedly takes over the 1500/107.7 frequencies. Classical is killed off 103.5 and moves to 103.9/104.1 -- the former Z-104 simulcast, which is finally put out of its misery. No word on what happens to 820 Frederick MD, which had been //WTOP. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=664626 From stephanie@gordsven.com Fri Jan 6 23:06:06 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:06:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: BIG doings in D.C., for you DXers In-Reply-To: <200601070159.UAA24308@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> References: <200601070159.UAA24308@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <1729.66.65.49.10.1136606766.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Fri, January 6, 2006 20:59, Sean Smyth said: > As of March, WTOP vacates 1500 for good and moves to 103.5 permanently. > "Washington Post Radio" reportedly takes over the 1500/107.7 frequencies. Has anyone mentioned what the call letters for Washington Post Radio will be? I hope they just keep it WTOP on AM 15 and make 103.5 into WTOP-FM. How hard will that be? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 7 14:51:21 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:51:21 -0500 Subject: BIG doings in D.C., for you DXers Message-ID: <20060107195121.ABFB0CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: BIG doings in D.C., for you DXers >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:59:51 -0500 (EST) > > As of March, WTOP vacates 1500 for good and moves to 103.5 permanently. > "Washington Post Radio" reportedly takes over the 1500/107.7 frequencies. > > Classical is killed off 103.5 and moves to 103.9/104.1 -- the former Z-104 > simulcast, which is finally put out of its misery. > > No word on what happens to 820 Frederick MD, which had been //WTOP. > > http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=664626 Don't get any idea that the 1500 dial spot will open up so DXers will be able to pick stations in other cities on the same frequency. Something called "Washington Post Radio" will air on WTOP's long-standing AM frequency. If there's any hiatus before the change, then maybe the 1500 in St. Paul, MN will be be receivable, but as it it happens, they agreed to a slight pattern tweak with WTOP last year I believe. In other news, a Washington Post columnist named Marc Fisher posted on a washingtonpost.com blog that he drove around the City trying to receive WGMS on its new channel and the interference and noise were unbearable. The Post also noted that WGMS's recent revenue figure was $9.3 million...one million more than WCRB, but still below the revenues a "mainstream" pop or rock or hip-hop station could garner (but would it be more PROFITABLE?) in a market like DC. I don't generally make predictions, especially about the future, but I'd say it's a lock that the WGMS ratings AND revenue will slide dramatically, and Bonneville may use that as an excuse to flip the 104.1/103.9 frequencies! -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Jan 8 14:06:28 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:06:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fox sports Net now on WGIR 610 AM Manchester NH Message-ID: <20060108190628.32272.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I went to tune in the Todd Feinburg show on the WGIR trio and instead am hearing Fox Sports Network. I know the dumped CNN news in favor of Fox Radio News quite a few months ago. I guess this is not a mistake, as the WGIR web site has a Fox Sports logo on it. John B Derry NH From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Jan 8 18:18:08 2006 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:18:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: WAVM advisor arrested, charged with rape Message-ID: <200601082318.SAA11466@webmail7.cac.psu.edu> >From the Sunday Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/01/08/maynard_teacher_accused_of_rape/ "A popular Maynard High School teacher was arrested Friday and accused of raping a male former student, Middlesex County prosecutors said yesterday. The arrest of Joseph P. Magno shocked many in the tight-knit community, and one local mother said she could not believe the allegations." Wondering how this might affect WAVM as it tries to deal with its license turmoil. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:13:14 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:13:14 -0500 Subject: Fox sports Net now on WGIR 610 AM Manchester NH In-Reply-To: <20060108190628.32272.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060108190628.32272.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601082113j167d458bo2af987669b93be13@mail.gmail.com> On 1/8/06, John Bolduc wrote: > I guess this is not a mistake, as the WGIR web site has a Fox Sports logo > on it. Yes, and on their Sunday schedule: >12:00 PM to 10:00 PM >FOX SPORTS >We are the only station in NH with Fox Sports. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jan 9 10:17:10 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:17:10 -0500 Subject: Fox sports Net now on WGIR 610 AM Manchester NH In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601082113j167d458bo2af987669b93be13@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20060108190628.32272.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0601082113j167d458bo2af987669b93be13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060109101447.03439c88@mac.com> At 12:13 AM 1/9/2006 1/9/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >On 1/8/06, John Bolduc wrote: > > > I guess this is not a mistake, as the WGIR web site has a Fox Sports logo > > on it. > >Yes, and on their Sunday schedule: So, does that mean they are still political talk Mon-Sat, and sports only on Sunday? And only on WGIR, or also on the network of four stations around NH? Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, MO Wobegone is a state of mind! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 9 12:33:44 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:33:44 -0500 Subject: Fox sports Net now on WGIR 610 AM Manchester NH In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060109101447.03439c88@mac.com> References: <20060108190628.32272.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1fbbbced0601082113j167d458bo2af987669b93be13@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060109101447.03439c88@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601090933m20466cd7hca42d543661c440a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/9/06, Larry Weil wrote: > > So, does that mean they are still political talk Mon-Sat, and sports > only on Sunday? And only on WGIR, or also on the network of four > stations around NH? >From what their site says, it's still political talk Mon-Fri; political and specialty talk on Sat (Tech Talk; Insana; Dr Dean Edell; and their sci-fi discussion show Sat nights), and Sundays is Paul Parent/gardening and money talk shows in the morning, then Fox sports from noon on. I'm guessing it's at all of their stations (610, 930, 1540-- I think they no longer have the station in the Upper Valley...1400?). Here on Boston's North Shore I can pick up 610 and 1540 fairly well (well, 1540 fades into the Albany station as it gets near sunset) and maybe even 930 too, to check them out, but haven't had chance. From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Jan 9 16:45:57 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:45:57 -0500 Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion Message-ID: <20060109214558.04F9EE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Neil Chayette's law-oriented talk show is now defunct. He bade farewell after last night's show. According to WBZ Radio's website, a financial show will take its place. Will it be a REAL financial talk show, or an underwritten one a la the one on WRKO before Bob Brinker? And it will end at 9:30 pm to allow for a highly ethical program-length commercial (probably for a Puritan "health" nostrum) posing as a talk show. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From bradfordwood@comcast.net Mon Jan 9 16:56:42 2006 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:56:42 +0000 Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion Message-ID: <010920062156.8398.43C2DC1A0009D10F000020CE22068246930B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Wow Larry - tell us how you really feel! Unfortunately - the economics of radio has caused the opportunity for those "program length commercials" to be aired even on the holy grail of radio known as WBZ. In some cases - those "program length commercials" can be the lifeblood of some stations. For those of us who have/are accepting a paycheck as a result of a station airing those "program length commercials" - our families thank them for airing on our stations and hope they sign for another 13, 26 or dare I say, 52 weeks at a steady rate of income for both the station and our paychecks. Brad Wood -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence Glavin" > Neil Chayette's law-oriented talk show is now defunct. He bade > farewell after last night's show. According to WBZ Radio's > website, a financial show will take its place. Will it be a > REAL financial talk show, or an underwritten one a la > the one on WRKO before Bob Brinker? And it will end at > 9:30 pm to allow for a highly ethical program-length > commercial (probably for a Puritan "health" nostrum) > posing as a talk show. From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Jan 9 17:17:35 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion In-Reply-To: <010920062156.8398.43C2DC1A0009D10F000020CE22068246930B0101990B9D01000 B0E9D0D@comcast.net> References: <010920062156.8398.43C2DC1A0009D10F000020CE22068246930B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <26524.12.37.144.130.1136845055.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Mon, January 9, 2006 16:56, bradfordwood@comcast.net said: > In some cases - those "program length commercials" > can be the lifeblood of some stations. You mean to tell me that a big city clear-channel transmitter like WBZ in Boston, WOR and WABC in New York, etc. can't make enough money just by selling spots??? Considering the incredible spot load these stations carry (outside leased-access shows and infomercials), I would assume that the stations would be making enough to keep their employees comfortably paid and be reasonably profitable. I think this is more of a "squeeze the turd tighter" to get even more gold out of it, case. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From bradfordwood@comcast.net Mon Jan 9 21:06:49 2006 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:06:49 +0000 Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion Message-ID: <011020060206.17355.43C316B8000ECCC8000043CB22007610640B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> > You mean to tell me that a big city clear-channel transmitter like WBZ in > Boston, WOR and WABC in New York, etc. can't make enough money just by > selling spots??? Well, in some cases it appears to be much more "cost effective" for one of these big sticks to drop these programs into automation and make money rather than having to pay a newsperson, a producer, writers, etc. to do "real radio" on off hours like a Sunday night at 9:30. (Same mentality as a small market station, except the electric bills are bigger.) > Considering the incredible spot load these stations carry (outside > leased-access shows and infomercials), I would assume that the stations > would be making enough to keep their employees comfortably paid and be > reasonably profitable. > I think this is more of a "squeeze the turd tighter" to get even more gold > out of it, case. You might think that, but alas - this is radio. To use your term - any chance to squeeze the turd a little tighter means a little more for the bottom line. Cynical? Yes. Realistic? Yes. Unfortunate? Well, yes. BW From blaine@well.com Mon Jan 9 23:19:52 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:19:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion In-Reply-To: <011020060206.17355.43C316B8000ECCC8000043CB22007610640B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> References: <011020060206.17355.43C316B8000ECCC8000043CB22007610640B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: IIRC, Neil Chayette was on the WOR Radio Network. Any idea when he was on there and why he disappeared? - Blaine From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Jan 9 23:33:50 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:33:50 -0500 Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion In-Reply-To: References: <011020060206.17355.43C316B8000ECCC8000043CB22007610640B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17347.14638.213089.374791@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > IIRC, Neil Chayette was on the WOR Radio Network. Any idea when he was on > there and why he disappeared? I remember hearing the feature version of "Looking at the Law" on KNX about a dozen years ago. Not sure who syndicated him then. -GAWollman From blaine@well.com Mon Jan 9 23:44:33 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Neil Chayette...Looking At Oblivion In-Reply-To: <17347.14638.213089.374791@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <011020060206.17355.43C316B8000ECCC8000043CB22007610640B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17347.14638.213089.374791@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > IIRC, Neil Chayette was on the WOR Radio Network. Any idea when he > > was on there and why he disappeared? > > I remember hearing the feature version of "Looking at the Law" on KNX > about a dozen years ago. Not sure who syndicated him then. No clue - I'm thinking of an hour long talk show (perhaps three hours, total) that aired around Sunday/midnight (into Monday morning) as part of the WOR Weekend Network Programming. - Blaine From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 10 20:39:59 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:39:59 -0500 Subject: Talk Shuffle Message-ID: <43C461EF.30302@shoreham.net> I may be a day late, but I noticed this afternoon that Sean Hannity is now heard in the Burlington/Plattsburgh market on The Zone (96.7//960). The station has moved Don (they've got that medium market sound down real well) & Mike Show to delayed to eves. WVMT (620 Burlington) had bounced Hannity and brought back Howie Carr to the 3-6 pm slot. Listening to WVMT's morning show ("Charlie & Ernie ") they were talking up some negative reax from listeners on the change and were asking them to "Give Howie a chance, it is what it is" etc. The end result, IMO, is a win for The Zone. Don & Mike can't get any worse. Hannity goes well with the perennially understated conservative demo in Vermont and upstate NY. And it looks like the sports team broadcasts that fill up many eves at the Zone can't be hurt by delayed Don & Mike. Bill O'Neill From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 10 20:44:46 2006 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:44:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: More on the Joe Magno case Message-ID: <200601110144.UAA29872@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> According to The MetroWest Daily News, the investigation into the WAVM advisor is widening. (Sorry for the day-late link.) http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=118841 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 03:26:35 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:26:35 -0500 Subject: Talk Shuffle In-Reply-To: <43C461EF.30302@shoreham.net> References: <43C461EF.30302@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601110026u6e44c7edn317ffdce77ef3d3f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/06, Bill O'Neill wrote: > I may be a day late, but I noticed this afternoon that Sean Hannity is > now heard in the Burlington/Plattsburgh market on The Zone (96.7//960). > The station has moved Don (they've got that medium market sound down > real well) & Mike Show to delayed to eves. WVMT (620 Burlington) had > bounced Hannity and brought back Howie Carr to the 3-6 pm slot. I was wondering who would be picking him up, since WVMT brought back Howie. They seemed like the most logical station to do so. Hannity goes well > with the perennially understated conservative demo in Vermont and > upstate NY. Yes, and the next time I visit that area I can go back and forth between the two. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 09:46:50 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:46:50 +0000 Subject: WEZE Off-Air Message-ID: <43C51A5A.1000209@Gmail.com> First noted during my "wake-up bandscan" at about 4:50am this morning, WEZE-1.260 was off-air (only a French Canadian noted--and *maybe* Albany buried in the noise floor), and was still off when I checked about a half-hour ago. Transmitter problems? Prepping for IBOC? Area power outage? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 09:50:48 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:50:48 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air Message-ID: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> I just wrote, > First noted during my "wake-up bandscan" at about 4:50am this > morning, WEZE-1.260 was off-air Of course I meant WEZE-0.590, not WMKI-1.260 ('EZE's former frequency)! P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Jan 11 09:59:34 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:59:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: OOPS (was Re: WEZE Off-Air) In-Reply-To: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> References: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <57197.12.37.144.130.1136991574.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Wed, January 11, 2006 9:50, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild said: > Of course I meant WEZE-0.590, not WMKI-1.260 ('EZE's former frequency)! Hey, I still think of AM 85 as the home of WHDH. And that swap happened, what, almost 12 years ago? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 11 10:18:13 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:18:13 -0500 Subject: WEZE Off-Air References: <43C51A5A.1000209@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c616c2$4534ea00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Presumably not prepping for IBOC--yet. I saw a message from (I think) Salem's VP of Engineering on another list. He said that, while he has little doubt that Salem will eventually convert its stations to IBOC, the company is not doing any conversions just yet. The message carried the clear, albeit unstated, subtext that Salem could not see a return on such an investment at this time. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: WEZE Off-Air > First noted during my "wake-up bandscan" at about 4:50am this morning, > WEZE-1.260 was off-air (only a French Canadian noted--and *maybe* Albany > buried in the noise floor), and was still off when I checked about a > half-hour ago. > Transmitter problems? Prepping for IBOC? Area power outage? > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 11 10:30:41 2006 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:30:41 -0500 Subject: re Re: OOPS (was Re: WEZE Off-Air) References: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> <57197.12.37.144.130.1136991574.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <001b01c616c3$fc31e540$520c9c04@p133> hey, in both cases, the USGS maps still show the old calls at the old sites. so (tongue-in-cheek), how are we individuals supposed to be up to date if the govt maps aren't? Bob / Madprof ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: OOPS (was Re: WEZE Off-Air) > > On Wed, January 11, 2006 9:50, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild said: > > > Of course I meant WEZE-0.590, not WMKI-1.260 ('EZE's former frequency)! > > Hey, I still think of AM 85 as the home of WHDH. And that swap happened, > what, almost 12 years ago? > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > From xtrovato@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 13:46:26 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:46:26 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air References: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <011b01c616df$56000dc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> >> First noted during my "wake-up bandscan" at about 4:50am this >> morning, WEZE-1.260 was off-air >Of course I meant WEZE-0.590, not WMKI-1.260 ('EZE's former frequency)! Are you sure they were actually off the air? While I also heard the French station...I thought it was over a dead carrier. Maybe the board op at WEZE (590) fell asleep? (It's been known to happen!) From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 14:18:56 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:18:56 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air Message-ID: <43C55A20.6000300@Gmail.com> R Trovato replied, >>> First noted during my "wake-up bandscan" at about 4:50am this >>> morning, WEZE-1.260 was off-air > >> Of course I meant WEZE-0.590, not WMKI-1.260 ('EZE's former >> frequency)! > > > Are you sure they were actually off the air? > > While I also heard the French station...I thought it was over > a dead carrier. > > Maybe the board op at WEZE (590) fell asleep? > > (It's been known to happen!) Nope, it was off (at least when *I* checked, both times). It's moot now, as I noted them back on at 12:50pm--nust have been everyone here on this list calling them up and letting them know!!! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 11 14:19:33 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:19:33 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air In-Reply-To: <011b01c616df$56000dc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <43C51B48.7090401@Gmail.com> <011b01c616df$56000dc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060111141721.02547b78@mac.com> At 01:46 PM 1/11/2006, R Trovato wrote: >Maybe the board op at WEZE (590) fell asleep? > >(It's been known to happen!) Do they even have a board op at night, or are they using automation? If the automation crashes, it may take a while for the person receiving the alarm to get there and correct the problem. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 11 16:51:28 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:51:28 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed Message-ID: <200601111651.AA4289659184@mail.ttlc.net> Rolls-Royce has announced that Sirius Radio is standard equipment in all 2006 models and will come with a lifetime subscription. When will this 2-player, us-vs-them market merge into a one-radio, multiple provider market? Or is this just fanciful, wishful thinking? From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 11 16:55:58 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:58 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air Message-ID: <20060111215559.13AD286B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEZE Off-Air >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:18:56 > ~Kaimbridge~ > I can also attest to tghe fact that AM 590 was off the air...after sampling a little French-Canadian news on 590, I listened to WTAG-AM 580 right on down route 93. Not as clear as WCRN, but quite audible and relatively interference-free. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jan 11 17:01:47 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:01:47 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: <200601111651.AA4289659184@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601111651.AA4289659184@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <17349.32843.162808.783877@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Rolls-Royce has announced that Sirius Radio is standard equipment in > all 2006 models and will come with a lifetime subscription. Not hard for a company that makes things in quantity six.... (And keeping in mind that the current "Rolls-Royce" is part of BMW.) I now have this terrible image in my head of a Silver Spur pulling up next to me at a light, rolling down a window, and asking (in a phony British accent), "Pardon me, would you have any Howard Stern?" -GAWollman From francini@mac.com Wed Jan 11 17:04:48 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:48 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: <200601111651.AA4289659184@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601111651.AA4289659184@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: The entire satellite radio nonsense can be summed up in three words: "VHS vs. Beta". At some point one of them will win and the other will wither. The question is, when. j On 11 Jan 2006, at 16:51, rogerkirk wrote: > Rolls-Royce has announced that Sirius Radio is standard equipment > in all 2006 models and will come with a lifetime subscription. > > When will this 2-player, us-vs-them market merge into a one-radio, > multiple provider market? Or is this just fanciful, wishful thinking? > > From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed Jan 11 17:41:01 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:41:01 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:48 EST." Message-ID: <200601112241.k0BMf1up004127@no-knife.mit.edu> >The entire satellite radio nonsense can be summed up in three words: >"VHS vs. Beta". At some point one of them will win and the other >will wither. The question is, when. Why couldn't it end up like, say, CBS vs. NBC? If both stay in business long enough - and, with the programming choices and subscriber bases of both growing at present, there's no reason why they couldn't - then it becomes more likely that some electronics manufacturer will build a universal receiver that can pull in both (assuming one subscribes to both, of course) or just one of the two, if the user subscribes to only one (thus making it easier to switch if/when desired). It's not like you have two completely different physical form factors, the way it was with the different videotape formats. Now, HD-DVD vs. BluRay - there's your modern-day VHS vs. Beta. (Though maybe a universal player is possible there, too - won't happen right away, of course...) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 11 17:42:12 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:42:12 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! Message-ID: <20060111224212.3583D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Bob Bittner posted a message to the radio-info/Boston board that the first "Let's Talk About Radio" in several months will air this Sunday January 15th at 11:00 am. He says just one hour...with everything that's happened and is happening, just SIXTY minutes? Oh well, the show has been taped already. (Donna Halper is co-host.) -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 11 18:08:50 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:08:50 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! References: <20060111224212.3583D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000f01c61704$00e8c280$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Last Sunday, I discovered that ALMOST simultaneous with Let's Talk About Radio, WBIX runs a program whose name also begins with "Let's Talk About." If you want to listen to it, you need not miss any of LTAR because the WBIX program doesn't begin until noon. It's called Let's Talk About Jesus. And you thought all of WBIX's brokered-time shows were either about money or colon cleansing. Although most are on secular themes, Alex will apparently take the pastors' money as long as the checks don't bounce. You will note that when the pastor who was leasing time on WSRO got into financial difficulties, his programs disappeared from 650 and were replaced by Portuguese programs, which seem now to occupy nearly the full schedule. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! > Bob Bittner posted a message to the radio-info/Boston board that > the first "Let's Talk About Radio" in several months will air this > Sunday January 15th at 11:00 am. He says just one hour...with > everything that's happened and is happening, just SIXTY minutes? > Oh well, the show has been taped already. (Donna Halper is co-host.) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 11 19:09:31 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:31 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: <200601112241.k0BMf1up004127@no-knife.mit.edu> References: <"Your message of Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:48 EST." <200601112241.k0BMf1up004127@no-knife.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060111190522.025522b8@mac.com> At 05:41 PM 1/11/2006, Shawn Mamros wrote: > >The entire satellite radio nonsense can be summed up in three words: > >"VHS vs. Beta". At some point one of them will win and the other > >will wither. The question is, when. > >Why couldn't it end up like, say, CBS vs. NBC? If both stay in >business long enough - and, with the programming choices and >subscriber bases of both growing at present, there's no reason >why they couldn't - then it becomes more likely that some >electronics manufacturer will build a universal receiver that >can pull in both (assuming one subscribes to both, of course) >or just one of the two. That is not likely to happen anytime soon. The chips used to decode the programming are proprietary and largely subsidized by the system it is meant to receive. There is no way Sirius is gonna subsidize a receiver that gets XM, or the other way around. Likewise, you are not likely to ever see a receiver that gets both DirecTV and Dish Network. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Jan 11 19:46:30 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:46:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! In-Reply-To: <000f01c61704$00e8c280$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20060111224212.3583D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <000f01c61704$00e8c280$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <47668.12.37.144.130.1137026790.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Wed, January 11, 2006 18:08, Dan Strassberg said: > You will note > that when the pastor who was leasing time on WSRO got into financial > difficulties, his programs disappeared from 650 and were replaced by > Portuguese programs, which seem now to occupy nearly the full schedule. Welcome to the zoo that is leased-access radio. If you can't afford the air-time, there's always someone else in the wings ready to rent the slot. These shows come and go constantly. Most of the leased-access transmitters here in New York City and surrounding suburbs (Long Island's WGBB-1240, Newark, NJ's WNSW-1430; Elizabeth's WJDM-1530) are controlled by Arthur Liu of Multicultural Broadcasting (I believe he also owns WLYN in Lynn). He has two of them in New York City (AM 93 and AM 1380) dedicated to leased-access multi-ethnic shows. While a couple programs have been on the air for a few years, most last a year or two and then disappear. Liu's AM 1480 transmitter is a companion station to his Chinese language FM SCA service called Sinocast, which I believe is programmed in-house. AM 1660 in Jersey City is leased to a Korean operator (previously on AM 1480). There was a failed experiment with renting the AM 93 transmitter to a Russian operator for 24/7 programming in Russian. That lasted all of half a year. AM 1430 in Newark is rented out to various operators doing black Gospel shows, Portugese shows, etc. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jan 11 20:03:01 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:03:01 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060111190522.025522b8@mac.com> References: <"Your message of Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:48 EST." <200601112241.k0BMf1up004127@no-knife.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20060111190522.025522b8@mac.com> Message-ID: <17349.43717.208223.398589@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > That is not likely to happen anytime soon. The chips used to decode > the programming are proprietary and largely subsidized by the system > it is meant to receive. There is no way Sirius is gonna subsidize a > receiver that gets XM, or the other way around. Both SDARS operators are required, by the terms of their licenses, to develop such a receiver. Interoperable receivers were supposed to be on the market by 2004, according to the most recent FCC proceedings I can find on the topic, but I don't recall having seen any. I expect they will have to demonstrate better compliance by license-renewal time (or else the FCC will simply cave and drop the requirement from the rules). -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 11 22:03:03 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:03:03 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! In-Reply-To: <20060111224212.3583D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060111220154.02778fd8@pop.registeredsite.com> Laurence wrote-- >with everything that's happened and is happening, just SIXTY minutes? >Oh well, the show has been taped already. (Donna Halper is co-host.) But we crammed a lot of stuff into one hour!!! We're very efficient... :) From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 12 02:01:02 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:01:02 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! In-Reply-To: <20060111224212.3583D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C5B85E.29459.96D062@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Jan 2006 at 17:42, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Bob Bittner posted a message to the radio-info/Boston board that > the first "Let's Talk About Radio" in several months will air this > Sunday January 15th at 11:00 am. He says just one hour...with > everything that's happened and is happening, just SIXTY minutes? Oh > well, the show has been taped already. (Donna Halper is co-host.) Oh, wow! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 12 08:57:45 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:57:45 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060111220154.02778fd8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060111220154.02778fd8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <43C66059.1070509@cssinc.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Laurence wrote-- > >> with everything that's happened and is happening, just SIXTY minutes? >> Oh well, the show has been taped already. (Donna Halper is co-host.) > > > But we crammed a lot of stuff into one hour!!! We're very > efficient... :) Kinda like playing album cuts at 45RPM, huh? -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 10:43:21 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:43:21 -0500 Subject: Herald: Matt Mills retiring from Greater Media Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601120743v2b053253kc16ec996d474c581@mail.gmail.com> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=120981 "It is with mixed emotions that I share with you Matt Mills' decision to retire from Greater Media Boston," Smyth wrote in an e-mail to employees yesterday. "Matt has been a major force in the growth of the Boston stations and will be sorely missed." But Mills' departure plans also have something to do with Severin's recent move to syndication through CBS Radio-managed Westwood One... While WTKK still broadcasts Severin's syndicated evening show, it lost the host as a Greater Media talent. And Severin's future on WTKK beyond this year is foggy, even in syndication. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 12 15:47:22 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:22 -0500 Subject: Stern's Stock In Sirius Nosedives Message-ID: <200601121547.AA1514537152@mail.ttlc.net> Talk about having an effect on the market. Sirius disclosed that Howard Stern could sell his stock at any time and their stock dropped 5.9%. Stern lost $12 million - on paper. Anybody on this list hear his new show, yet? From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 12 17:07:05 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:07:05 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! Message-ID: <20060112220705.BC51B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:08:50 -0500 > Last Sunday, I discovered that ALMOST simultaneous with Let's Talk About > Radio, WBIX runs a program whose name also begins with "Let's Talk About." > If you want to listen to it, you need not miss any of LTAR because the WBIX > program doesn't begin until noon. It's called Let's Talk About Jesus. And > you thought all of WBIX's brokered-time shows were either about money or > colon cleansing. Don't laugh about colon cleansing; a couple of years ago, when Katie Couric of NBC's "Today" show had a colonoscopy, the show's ratings soared...which only proves that she has a large following. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 12 17:25:07 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:25:07 -0500 Subject: First LTAR Of The New Year This Sunday! In-Reply-To: <20060112220705.BC51B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060112220705.BC51B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C6D743.2010407@shoreham.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: > ...which only proves that she has a large following. > A large what? Oh, never mind. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 12 17:44:52 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:44:52 -0500 Subject: Charles River Properties In RI To Be Sold Message-ID: <20060112224452.468063384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Now that the WCRB sale has been settled, the mother ship, Charles River Broadcasting has sold its two Rhode Island properties: WCRI-FM, Block Island and WCNX-AM in Hope Valley, to Christopher Jones, scion of Charles River Broadcasting co-founder Ted Jones (I wonder if he drives a Scion). The current formats are expected to stay in effect for the nonce). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 12 18:01:03 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:01:03 -0500 Subject: WCRB feeds Message-ID: <43C6DFAF.6050504@shoreham.net> What do you think will become of the classical music network that WCRB originates (listed as World Classical Network on the CRB website)? They have been serving as program content for WCVT (101.7 Stowe). Tracked by many of the same WCRB talent. It's been a decent classical format. With "VPR Classical" moving ahead and classical growing in the state, it can only boost the classical product in the market. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 12 18:35:15 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:35:15 -0500 Subject: WCRB feeds Message-ID: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: BRI >Subject: WCRB feeds >Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:01:03 -0500 > > What do you think will become of the classical music network that > WCRB originates (listed as World Classical Network on the CRB > website)? They have been serving as program content for WCVT (101.7 > Stowe). Tracked by many of the same WCRB talent. It's been a > decent classical format. With "VPR Classical" moving ahead and > classical growing in the state, it can only boost the classical > product in the market. > > Bill O'Neill PLEASE don't refer to classical music as "PRODUCT"; that word may be appropriate for most of what is heard on the radio and TV, but not the intrinsically exalted music beloved by uncounted millions around the world by succeeding generations! As for WCN, if the Founding Family hold on to WCRI and eventually WFCC, it may persist as a source of programming for these outlets and any others it may talk into taking it. What you call "WCRB talent" may go away with the 102.5 license...some may "get out of the business". Since WCRB and WCN have played the same pieces for a decade, most of it tracked, WCN could arrange to play the same pieces in perpetuity with these announcers, like that preacher on WROL who has been dead for years. Don't forget, besides any "VPR Classical", there's also WFMT, Chicago's "Beethoven Satellite Radio"...Scott profiled the format in his spread about WCNH-LP, Conkuhd, NH. (BTW, WFMT experienced a 50% jump in its 12+ number in the just-released Arbs; their playlist is solidly genuine-classical, with more vocal music in evening prime than even I would program!) -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 12 18:47:53 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:47:53 -0500 Subject: WCRB feeds In-Reply-To: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C6EAA9.80800@shoreham.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: > PLEASE don't refer to classical music as "PRODUCT"; that word > may be appropriate for most of what is heard on the radio and TV, > but not the intrinsically exalted music What have I DONE? I fear that I have awoken a sleeping giant. > Since WCRB and WCN have played the > same pieces for a decade, most of it tracked, WCN could arrange > to play the same pieces in perpetuity with these announcers, > Poor Laurence. He's a nice guy. Not bothering a soul. Contributing in his venerable manner, nary a C, or R, or even a B, for that matter, anywhere in the ether. And there I go. How could I? What was I thinking? In the stylings of Nancy Kerrigan, "Why? Why? Why?" Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 12 21:57:26 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:57:26 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh & Stern share... Message-ID: <200601122157.AA3428712506@mail.ttlc.net> the same birthday - 1/12. Apparently the Great One is only three years older than Howard. I didn't realize Stern was 52. My, how time flies when others are having fun. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jan 12 22:02:08 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:02:08 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh & Stern share... In-Reply-To: <200601122157.AA3428712506@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001101c617ed$be6adc00$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Howard Stern... Didn't he used to be on the radio? - -Chuck Igo -----Original Message----- Roger kirk wrote of Rush Limbaugh & Howard Stern... the same birthday - 1/12. Apparently the Great One is only three years older than Howard. I didn't realize Stern was 52. My, how time flies when others are having fun. From stephanie@gordsven.com Fri Jan 13 00:15:22 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:15:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: WCRB feeds In-Reply-To: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2316.66.65.49.10.1137129322.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Thu, January 12, 2006 18:35, Laurence Glavin said: > > PLEASE don't refer to classical music as "PRODUCT"; The record companies that press your (and my) beloved music onto vinyl also refer to it as "PRODUCT". As long as I can still find those 12" pieces of black plastic (especially in the bargain bins for a dollar), I don't care what they call it. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 13 00:32:32 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:32:32 -0500 Subject: Charles River Properties In RI To Be Sold In-Reply-To: <20060112224452.468063384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C6F520.8585.698514@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Jan 2006 at 17:44, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Now that the WCRB sale has been settled, the mother ship, > Charles River Broadcasting has sold its two Rhode Island > properties: WCRI-FM, Block Island and WCNX-AM in Hope Valley, > to Christopher Jones, scion of Charles River Broadcasting co-founder > Ted Jones (I wonder if he drives a Scion). The current formats are > expected to stay in effect for the nonce). Has it been settled? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 13 00:32:33 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:32:33 -0500 Subject: WCRB feeds In-Reply-To: <2316.66.65.49.10.1137129322.squirrel@66.65.49.10> References: <20060112233515.10DD83384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C6F521.29955.698785@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Jan 2006 at 0:15, Stephanie Weil wrote: > The record companies that press your (and my) beloved music onto vinyl > also refer to it as "PRODUCT". Somebody still presses that stuff onto vinyl? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hmglaz@webtv.net Fri Jan 13 02:11:08 2006 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:11:08 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed Message-ID: <21307-43C7528C-1282@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> If I'm not mistaken, Sirius and XM are forbidden from merging under terms of their FCC licenses, which require that two independent satellite radio services exist. My guess is that two of the media megapowers -- Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, perhaps, or Disney -- will eventually buy controlling interest in one or both sat-radio companies once they reach profitability. As for the interoperable receiver, everything I've read about it has indicated that it's not a mandate, just a fairly strong suggestion with no real teeth to it. I can't imagine either company wanting its subscribers to have an easy way to switch services -- Wall Street hates churn, and an interoperable receiver would mean large numbers of sports fans, for instance, switching from Sirius to XM for baseball season, then back to Sirius for football season, then back again to XM when spring training rolls around. That's SERIOUS churn. My feeling is that the interoperable receiver will never happen. Howard From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jan 13 03:37:16 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:37:16 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh & Stern share... In-Reply-To: <001101c617ed$be6adc00$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> References: <200601122157.AA3428712506@mail.ttlc.net> <001101c617ed$be6adc00$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601130037u395fa9d6h389f8ac67af9659@mail.gmail.com> On 1/12/06, Chuck Igo wrote: I didn't realize Stern was 52. My, how time flies > when others are having fun. I had seen the 60 Minutes bit on Stern and was surprised to hear them say he was 51 (at the time). I thought he'd be a bit older than that. By comparison, the _other_ Howard/Howie turns 54 this month, IIRC (Carr)...about 10 yrs older than me. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Jan 13 11:28:27 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:28:27 -0500 Subject: Sirius & Rolls in bed In-Reply-To: <21307-43C7528C-1282@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> References: <21307-43C7528C-1282@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <17351.54571.737519.590076@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < As for the interoperable receiver, everything I've read about it has > indicated that it's not a mandate, just a fairly strong suggestion with > no real teeth to it. See Part 25 of the FCC rules. It is a requirement of licensure. The FCC has effectively waived the requirement for the initial license period (eight years), but the question did come up in the launch permit proceedings for XM's two new satellites. Of course, there are lots of legal requirements I don't expect a Bush-appointed FCC to enforce. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 14:00:21 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:00:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Frank Fixaris, Portland ME sports broadcaster dies in fire Message-ID: <20060113190021.30047.qmail@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the WGME web site Fatal house fire in Falmouth Maine this morning. The victim was was well known WGME 13 sports broadcaster Frank Fixaris, age 71. Investigators say Fixaris's body was found on a family room couch and careless disposal of smoking materials was the cause of the fire. Fixaris' wife, Barbara, escaped the home without injury. John B Derry NH From clambreath@hotmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:55:03 2006 From: clambreath@hotmail.com (C G) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:55:03 -0500 Subject: Frank Fizaris Message-ID: I'm sure the moderator will stop this if it is a dupe. Portland, Maine broadcasting veteran Frank Fixaris died in a fire today. Fixaris was the morning man at WJAB, but his sportscasting career in both radio and TV goes back decades. I can't pretend to know all about Fixaris' career, but he was the lead sportscaster for may years on WGME-TV Channel 13. Years ago he was a DJ on WLOB. I'm sure other can contribute a great deal more than that. The Portland Press Herald story is here: http://news.mainetoday.com/stories/060113fixaris.shtml#begin From markwats@comcast.net Fri Jan 13 17:16:43 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:16:43 -0500 Subject: Frank Fixaris, Portland ME sports broadcaster dies in fire References: <20060113190021.30047.qmail@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c6188f$0b7eff20$69081f42@Mark> John Bolduc wrote: > Fatal house fire in Falmouth Maine this morning. The victim was was well > known WGME 13 sports broadcaster Frank Fixaris, age 71. According to the Portland Press Herald, Frank Fixaris was the sports director at Channel 13 in Portland from 1967 to 1992, and at the time of his death was one of co-hosts of "The Morning Jab with Shoe, Fix & Joe" on WJAB (1440) Westbrook ME. Here's a link to the story on the Press Herald website: http://news.mainetoday.com/midday/index.html#9 Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 13 21:13:20 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:13:20 -0500 Subject: Frank Fixaris, Portland ME sports broadcaster dies in fire References: <20060113190021.30047.qmail@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c6188f$0b7eff20$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <002201c618b0$1714aee0$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> WCSH had the story at 6 AM that there was a fire at his house and one unidentified person was dead. I tuned in to WJAB and they were running a national feed without any local content. I knew that was a bad sign. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 14 03:39:47 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:39:47 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.com> I know I can't really discuss actual numbers here, but the latest 12 + ratings are out at Radio And Records. Any thoughts? 'BZ leapfrogs over 'EEI into first; still a pretty good showing for a sportstalker. 'ODS is already touting themselves as being the highest rated music station in town but the new ratings say they're tied with WJMN. Big increase for 'RKO, big decrease for 'TKK. Severin's absence, with some listeners checking out Howie? We had heard before that 12-7 pm does well for 'RKO while morning shows lag behind a bit. The station that could be Country 102.5 soon did fairly well with classical... Speaking of which, could this be the best numbers yet for 'KLB? (And getting back to 'ODS, is the Christmas stunt a big part of their ratings...?) (Personal wish: Make WBIX 1060 into classic country! Thought I know biz radio has its fans. WWZN and the 890/1400 ESPN combo didn't show up. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 14 04:12:34 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:12:34 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Bob N. said-- >Big increase for 'RKO, big decrease for 'TKK. Also, Kiss 108 is heading back in an upward direction, while it doesn't seem that Mike FM is setting the world on fire... From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jan 14 09:15:26 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:15:26 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <002a01c61914$f812f4b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Just out of curiosity . . . How did WCRB do? I'm still in hopes the format won't change. :-( Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" ; Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? > Bob N. said-- > >Big increase for 'RKO, big decrease for 'TKK. > > Also, Kiss 108 is heading back in an upward direction, while it doesn't > seem that Mike FM is setting the world on fire... > > From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 14 10:56:33 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C91F31.408@shoreham.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > WWZN and the 890/1400 ESPN combo didn't show up. > > Now, there's a bulletin.... Bill O'Neill From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 14 11:26:31 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:26:31 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? Message-ID: <20060114162631.7C05D3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Drown" >To: "Donna Halper" , "Bob Nelson" , boston-radio->interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:15:26 -0500 > > Just out of curiosity . . . How did WCRB do? I'm still in hopes the format > won't change. :-( > > Doug > As has already been stated, the 12+ # is at radioandrecords.com... the number to the left of the decimal point has been the same now for three quarters; WCRB doesn't go through any wild gyrations because the actual selections of music they play, and the presentation of this music has been unaltered for a decade. The far superior KING-FM in Seattle has what economists call "a higher beta"... it's rating seems to drop a little because their more adventurous fare attracts a younger cohort of an admittedly older cohort in general. Thus in summer, KING-FM listeners may be more active than people who place themselves near radios tuned to WCRB's frequency (nobody actually LISTENS to WCRB except for the Boston Symphony broadcasts) and get out more. Thus KING's 12+number can rise and fall just because of the seasons. (Right now, the Pacific Northwest has had an exceptionally long bout of wet weather...some people may need KING-FM to cure SAAD. WFMT in Chicago just had a notable spike in their 12+ number as I mentioned earlier. It may be a combination of the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts and the scheduling As to whether (not so)Greater Media will retain WCRB's current format...why spend 100-mill to keep things the way they are? Conglomerates eradicated classical outlets of varying quality in Kansas City, Detroit and Philadelphia, and one of them shunted aside their Washington DC outlet to an inferior facility with no warning. Since this thread is called "thoughts on newest 12+ ratings"... now WBOS is below a 6KW station WILD-FM, AND a rim-shotter WPLM-FM. Yet everyone says it's big revenue producer for G.M. From troubles at the two newspapers in town and channel 56, advertisers don't seem to be in the mood to throw mucho dinero (a little Spanish lingo) around indiscriminately. The Boston Metro area appears to be losing population over time...what will happen when Boston is no longer in the top ten? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 14 11:33:48 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:33:48 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <20060114162631.7C05D3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060114162631.7C05D3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601140833j6a063322kf5177416d665e30b@mail.gmail.com> Donna wrote: >>while it doesn't seem that Mike FM is setting the world on fire... True,but higher than the likes of WBOS and WXRV. Low costs what with no DJs. (Remember... "93.7, WCGY...the Rock Garden"? :) Though they did have a voice mention the songs...but not really a live DJ) Doug Drown: If you count WJMN and WODS as being tied, then technically they came in tenth place--can't quote the number but go to radioandrecords.com and check out what they got. Hint: how many outfielders on a baseball team? :) Laurence: have heard that Greater Media and other conglomerates do indeed junk formats like classical in a heartbeat. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 14 11:39:04 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? Message-ID: <20060114163904.A0EEC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Bob Nelson" , boston-radio->interest@lists.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:33:48 -0500 > > Laurence: have heard that Greater Media and other conglomerates do indeed junk > formats like classical in a heartbeat. Please note: Bob and I posted at almost exactly the same time without knowing what the other had written. Cue the "Twilight Zone" theme. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 14 12:07:49 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:07:49 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten Message-ID: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> It has been brought to my attention by a visitor to radio-info.com's Boston Board that Boston has ALREADY dropped to 11th place. R&R's ratings module doesn't show which market is now number 10...Dallas... Houston...Atlanta? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 14 12:36:58 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:36:58 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten In-Reply-To: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: > It has been brought to my attention by a visitor to radio-info.com's > Boston Board that Boston has ALREADY dropped to 11th place. R&R's > ratings module doesn't show which market is now number 10...Dallas... > Houston...Atlanta? > What are the rate card implications? Bill O'Neill From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 13:22:54 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:54 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > It has been brought to my attention by a visitor to radio-info.com's > > Boston Board that Boston has ALREADY dropped to 11th place. R&R's > > ratings module doesn't show which market is now number 10...Dallas... > > Houston...Atlanta? > > >> > From: "Bill O'Neill" > > What are the rate card implications? I don't see stations altering their rate cards too quickly. I think the change will be slow coming as the amount of ad revenue coming into the Boston market starts to be cut back. What will this mean to the supply/demand situation and untimately the rates....will take time to work it's way to the rate card. However, I hear that the big four owners in Boston are seeking some kind of "patch", in an attempt to keep Boston within the top 10 radio markets. (It was a few years ago that Arbitron added some zip codes noth of Worcester to keep Boston in the Top 10. ) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 14 13:51:11 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:51:11 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <20060114162631.7C05D3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060114134912.02789d40@pop.registeredsite.com> Laurence said-- >The Boston >Metro area appears to be losing population over time...what will >happen when Boston is no longer in the top ten? According to some sources, including Inside Radio, the Boston market has already fallen from the top ten, to #11. But it's still an influential market. I am puzzled that both WZLX and WBCN both remain flat, and I wonder if the classic rock/classic hits format has gotten stale. My phone ain't ringing, but if it were, I'd have a few suggestions for those doing this format... From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 14 13:57:14 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:57:14 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps References: <010620061617.3402.43BE981F00035C1300000D4A2207300033089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003901c6193c$577c1680$69081f42@Mark> Bill Smith wrote: > I bet if you hopped on the Motorola 2-way today, keyed >the mic and said "KCG492 Base to Unit 2," Mo would >answer you. The "KCG492" WCAP newsroom base unit is no longer plugged in to the AC outlet, and I don't believe Maurice Cohen has a mobile radio in his personal vehicle, although the Motorola mobile 2-way is still mounted under the dash in the 1974 GMC mobile studio. Bill Smith continues: > I just wonder if the Grace Kelly Memorial Flashing Lights, >installed per > order of Ike Cohen after the ABC net bulletin on >her death went unaired, > are still on the newsroom window >opposite the sales manager's office... Those lights are no longer there. It's possible they are still in the building , however, in the "museum warehouse" out back, piled amongst the collection of broken desks, chairs and other assorted broadcast stuff, including the Western Electric board that served as the main studio on-air console back when WCAP first signed on in 1951. It seems that once something enters the WCAP studios, it never leaves. Mark Watson From stephanie@gordsven.com Sat Jan 14 16:18:34 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m> <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Sat, January 14, 2006 4:12, Donna Halper said: > Also, Kiss 108 is heading back in an upward direction, while it doesn't > seem that Mike FM is setting the world on fire... These numbers don't count for squat. What's the demo breakdown? Especially in the 18-35 or whatever it is. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Jan 14 16:37:03 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:37:03 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m><5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> <1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <001401c61952$a8f9e580$0200a8c0@Tanguray> If Arbitron can't get 18-35 year old males to participate in their ratings in quantifiable numbers, why not just make them 35+? Seems like there's some "extrapolating" going on here, especially at the "low end." Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? > > On Sat, January 14, 2006 4:12, Donna Halper said: > > > Also, Kiss 108 is heading back in an upward direction, while it doesn't > > seem that Mike FM is setting the world on fire... > > These numbers don't count for squat. > > What's the demo breakdown? Especially in the 18-35 or whatever it is. > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 14 16:43:08 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:43:08 -0500 Subject: Austin Back In Boston Message-ID: <002401c61953$845d12f0$69081f42@Mark> Saturday (1/14) afternoon, 12:20PM, heard Austin of Boston (Austin Davis) on WROR (105.7). Austin was most recently let go from the morning show at WSRS (96.1 Worcester) and prior to WSRS did mornings several years back at WODS. Mark Watson From stephanie@gordsven.com Sat Jan 14 16:45:28 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <001401c61952$a8f9e580$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m><5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> <1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> <001401c61952$a8f9e580$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <1332.66.65.49.10.1137275128.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Sat, January 14, 2006 16:37, Roger Kolakowski said: > If Arbitron can't get 18-35 year old males to participate in their ratings > in quantifiable numbers, why not just make them 35+? Seems like there's Which is the demo that Madison Ave covets? Is it 18-35 or 35-54? I can never be sure. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 14 18:01:44 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:01:44 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <001401c61952$a8f9e580$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m> <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> <1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060114175948.0258ad50@pop.registeredsite.com> Roger Kolakowski wrote: >If Arbitron can't get 18-35 year old males to participate in their ratings >in quantifiable numbers, why not just make them 35+? Seems like there's some >"extrapolating" going on here, especially at the "low end." I still cannot understand, given that so many baby boomers are now turning 60 and still love music, why would Arbitron (and the ad agencies) not give a rat's patootie about the 55+ demo? Okay fine, in the 'good old days', being over 50 meant you were on your way to the rocking chair or about to die. But these days, people live much longer, work much longer, and remain active much longer. So why are 55+ ratings still considered irrelevant? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sat Jan 14 18:03:08 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:03:08 -0500 Subject: Speaking of Beeeps Message-ID: <200601141803.AA672596154@mail.ttlc.net> "Mark Watson" wrote: >It seems that once something enters the WCAP studios, >it never leaves. I'm glad he said "something" not "someone"! From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 14 18:37:23 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:37:23 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m><5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com><1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> <5.1.0.14.2.20060114175948.0258ad50@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <001001c61963$81c584e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> This debate has been going on for more than a decade. When I first became aware of it, I was still in my 50's. After being beaten over the head first with the argument that people over 55 don't buy anything--except pharmaceuticals, hearing aids, and cemetery plots (patently untrue), and then with the slightly more sophisticated, but no less idiotic argument that the buying habits of people over 55 are fixed and cannot be changed, I concluded that, since I was part of the "small" cohort of depression babies, there was nothing that I or people of my age could say or do that would affect the viewpoint of time buyers, who are mostly in their twenties. There simply weren't enough people of my age to influence the idiots responsible for those ridiculous viewpoints and time-buying decisions. But, I said to myself, although it won't help rescue from oblivion the programming I enjoy, the tide will turn when the baby boom generation starts to pass 55. You see, I had convinced myself that there were too many of you to ignore. However, it looks as though I was wrong. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO SET IN THEIR WAYS ARE THE 20-SOMETHING TIME BUYERS, WHO LACK THE IMAGINATION TO RECOGNIZE THAT BY WRITING OFF THE BOOMERS, THEY ARE WRITING THE DEATH WARRANTS FOR THEIR OWN JOBS! This is ageism in action, but I don't believe there is any practical way to change the situation. Negative opinions of the economic worth of people over 55 are urban legends that seem destined to outlive all forms of broadcasting--and maybe all forms of mass media--those that exist today and those yet to be invented. Sounds like there's a course in there, Donna: "Reaching the over-55 audience: Why you should and why doing so is worthwhile." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kolakowski" ; "Stephanie Weil" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > >If Arbitron can't get 18-35 year old males to participate in their ratings > >in quantifiable numbers, why not just make them 35+? Seems like there's some > >"extrapolating" going on here, especially at the "low end." > > I still cannot understand, given that so many baby boomers are now turning > 60 and still love music, why would Arbitron (and the ad agencies) not give > a rat's patootie about the 55+ demo? Okay fine, in the 'good old days', > being over 50 meant you were on your way to the rocking chair or about to > die. But these days, people live much longer, work much longer, and remain > active much longer. So why are 55+ ratings still considered irrelevant? > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 14 18:50:14 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:50:14 -0500 Subject: Austin Back In Boston In-Reply-To: <002401c61953$845d12f0$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <000001c61965$459f58e0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Mark Watson wrote: >> Saturday (1/14) afternoon, 12:20PM, heard Austin of Boston (Austin Davis) on WROR (105.7). Austin was most recently let go from the morning show at WSRS (96.1 Worcester) and prior to WSRS did mornings several years back at WODS.<< Austin also had a couple of cups of coffee with us at 105.7 WROR (weekends/fill ins) before heading west to WSRS. - - Chuck Igo From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sat Jan 14 21:09:22 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:09:22 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? Message-ID: <200601142109.AA909574356@mail.ttlc.net> "Dan Strassberg" wrote: >After being beaten over the head first with the argument that people >over 55 don't buy anything--except pharmaceuticals, hearing aids, and >cemetery plots (patently untrue), and then with the slightly more >sophisticated, but no less idiotic argument that the buying habits of >people over 55 are fixed and cannot be changed, I'm over 50, myself (59 this April 12th) and I think I know what they're really thinking, without actually coming right out and saying it: "People over 50 aren't swept up with fads, fashions and frivolities to consume their disposable income. In short, they're harder to sell to." IMHO, people our age tend to make their buying decisions a little more carefully than they did in their 20's. They value functionality, product longevity and quality over what's 'HOT.' Less likely to overspend on a flashy sports car that gets poor gas mileage, but is 'HOT.' (Exemptions available for 50-somethings experiencing late/mid-life crises that demand the obligatory red sports car.) Not as likely to buy a 'loaded' computer for gaming - more likely to buy a modest one for e-mail and printing pictures of the grandkids. More likely to buy a basic cell phone to make calls, not a $300+ model that takes pictures, plays music & videos, sends Instant Messages, surfs the Internet and downloads Fitty-Cent ring-tones. In short, they stop to think before they buy, they're typically more frugal and they're a heckuva lot harder to seduce with Madison Avenue trickery. It's probably much easier to get a 20-something to part with his/her disposable income for something 'NEAT'. >THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO SET IN THEIR WAYS ARE THE 20-SOMETHING TIME >BUYERS, WHO LACK THE IMAGINATION TO RECOGNIZE THAT BY WRITING OFF THE >BOOMERS, THEY ARE WRITING THE DEATH WARRANTS FOR THEIR OWN JOBS! I'd be glad to sell them rope. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 14 21:28:17 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:28:17 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <200601142109.AA909574356@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601142109.AA909574356@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060114211836.02559cc0@mac.com> At 09:09 PM 1/14/2006, rogerkirk wrote: >IMHO, people our age tend to make their buying decisions a little >more carefully than they did in their 20's. They value >functionality, product longevity and quality over what's >'HOT.' Less likely to overspend on a flashy sports car that gets >poor gas mileage, but is 'HOT.' (Exemptions available for >50-somethings experiencing late/mid-life crises that demand the >obligatory red sports car.) Not as likely to buy a 'loaded' >computer for gaming - more likely to buy a modest one for e-mail and >printing pictures of the grandkids. More likely to buy a basic cell >phone to make calls, not a $300+ model that takes pictures, plays >music & videos, sends Instant Messages, surfs the Internet and >downloads Fitty-Cent ring-tones. In short, they stop to think >before they buy, they're typically more frugal and they're a heckuva >lot harder to seduce with Madison Avenue trickery. It's probably >much easier to get a 20-something to part with his/her disposable >income for something 'NEAT'. OK, I'm 55 (almost 56), so here's my take on this. What you said, while somewhat of a generalization, is very true. What this points to is not that those in our age group cannot be influenced by advertising, but rather it gives a good summary of how products and the advertising for them can be effectively aimed at people of this age. But, I think there also is a market of older people who don't want to recognize their age, who want to seem forever young, and there certainly are products (hair coloring, for example) that appeals to them. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Jan 14 22:22:14 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:22:14 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? References: <1fbbbced0601140039u21a45896ka2f609c2afc5eb2c@mail.gmail.co m> <5.1.0.14.2.20060114041038.026e39a8@pop.registeredsite.com> <1174.66.65.49.10.1137273514.squirrel@66.65.49.10> <5.1.0.14.2.20060114175948.0258ad50@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <001f01c61982$e20a3340$0200a8c0@Tanguray> And this demographic is one of the "richest" with the most disposable income and the "free-est attitudes" (remember the 60's?) when it comes toward self gratification, that has ever existed. Truthfully, the 60's are still "fuzzy" to me... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Roger Kolakowski" ; "Stephanie Weil" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? > Roger Kolakowski wrote: > >If Arbitron can't get 18-35 year old males to participate in their ratings > >in quantifiable numbers, why not just make them 35+? Seems like there's some > >"extrapolating" going on here, especially at the "low end." > > I still cannot understand, given that so many baby boomers are now turning > 60 and still love music, why would Arbitron (and the ad agencies) not give > a rat's patootie about the 55+ demo? Okay fine, in the 'good old days', > being over 50 meant you were on your way to the rocking chair or about to > die. But these days, people live much longer, work much longer, and remain > active much longer. So why are 55+ ratings still considered irrelevant? > > From rogerkola@aol.com Sun Jan 15 00:23:24 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:23:24 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? References: <200601142109.AA909574356@mail.ttlc.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060114211836.02559cc0@mac.com> Message-ID: <002001c61993$ceef1620$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Larry said: But, I think there also is a market of older people who don't want to recognize their age, who want to seem forever young, and there certainly are products (hair coloring, for example) that appeals to them. My hair's just fine and I've been listening to Clairol Hair coloring spots for 20+ years...haven't bought any yet... But the 60's are still a blur... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? > At 09:09 PM 1/14/2006, rogerkirk wrote: > > >IMHO, people our age tend to make their buying decisions a little > >more carefully than they did in their 20's. They value > >functionality, product longevity and quality over what's > >'HOT.' Less likely to overspend on a flashy sports car that gets > >poor gas mileage, but is 'HOT.' (Exemptions available for > >50-somethings experiencing late/mid-life crises that demand the > >obligatory red sports car.) Not as likely to buy a 'loaded' > >computer for gaming - more likely to buy a modest one for e-mail and > >printing pictures of the grandkids. More likely to buy a basic cell > >phone to make calls, not a $300+ model that takes pictures, plays > >music & videos, sends Instant Messages, surfs the Internet and > >downloads Fitty-Cent ring-tones. In short, they stop to think > >before they buy, they're typically more frugal and they're a heckuva > >lot harder to seduce with Madison Avenue trickery. It's probably > >much easier to get a 20-something to part with his/her disposable > >income for something 'NEAT'. > > OK, I'm 55 (almost 56), so here's my take on this. What you said, > while somewhat of a generalization, is very true. What this points > to is not that those in our age group cannot be influenced by > advertising, but rather it gives a good summary of how products and > the advertising for them can be effectively aimed at people of this > age. But, I think there also is a market of older people who don't > want to recognize their age, who want to seem forever young, and > there certainly are products (hair coloring, for example) that appeals to them. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 15 10:18:33 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:18:33 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten In-Reply-To: <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> R Trovato wrote: > However, I hear that the big four owners in Boston are seeking some kind of > "patch", in an attempt to keep Boston within the top 10 radio markets. (It > was a few years ago that Arbitron added some zip codes noth of Worcester to > keep Boston in the Top 10. ) > > Sounds like the Worcester/Merrimack Valley patches have lost their medicinal benefit. What next, Providence? Portland? Manchester? Even adding Worcester was a stretch. Advantage Boston when you consider what market penetration an XLO or SRS can muster out in East Boston, contrasted with what XKS or MJX can muster in Worcester. Boston's drop is far less due to Boston being Boston than it is other cities' population explosions due to migration to the South and West to more amicable economic climes. It is hard to feel bad about any of this when you consider the fact that those very same "big four" are also the same "big four" in the rest of the top 10, all programming them identically without any regional consideration. Can you say "Burn another disc with format x, we just bought ourselves another 'Frank?" Bill [don't call me Frank] O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 15 11:38:36 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:38:36 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com><43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net><011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <000b01c619f2$29dbf9a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Although Worcester and the Merrimac Valley are part of the Boston TV market, I don't believe that they are part of the Boston radio market. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "R Trovato" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Boston No Longer In Top Ten > R Trovato wrote: > > However, I hear that the big four owners in Boston are seeking some kind of > > "patch", in an attempt to keep Boston within the top 10 radio markets. (It > > was a few years ago that Arbitron added some zip codes noth of Worcester to > > keep Boston in the Top 10. ) > > > > > Sounds like the Worcester/Merrimack Valley patches have lost their > medicinal benefit. What next, Providence? Portland? Manchester? > Even adding Worcester was a stretch. Advantage Boston when you > consider what market penetration an XLO or SRS can muster out in East > Boston, contrasted with what XKS or MJX can muster in Worcester. > > Boston's drop is far less due to Boston being Boston than it is other > cities' population explosions due to migration to the South and West to > more amicable economic climes. > > It is hard to feel bad about any of this when you consider the fact that > those very same "big four" are also the same "big four" in the rest of > the top 10, all programming them identically without any regional > consideration. Can you say "Burn another disc with format x, we just > bought ourselves another 'Frank?" > > Bill [don't call me Frank] O'Neill From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 15 13:26:35 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:26:35 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten In-Reply-To: <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <7A8EE511-A16D-4F9F-A516-550FDACD70CA@mac.com> On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Boston's drop is far less due to Boston being Boston than it is > other cities' population explosions due to migration to the South > and West to more amicable economic climes. How big is the Dallas or Atlanta metro when measured in miles from the city center? Let's allow Boston's metro to include the same mileage and see how big it gets. > > It is hard to feel bad about any of this when you consider the fact > that those very same "big four" are also the same "big four" in the > rest of the top 10, all programming them identically without any > regional consideration. There are great differences in the playlists of WLTW and KOST, both Clear Channel major market AC's (just for one example). I can't think of any station in Boston that sounds like it's following this "identical programming" concept you're talking about. Can you? I doubt you could find too many in any other major market, either. Also, only two companies have the kind of penetration into nearly all major markets that you mention. After Clear Channel and CBS Radio, there are different competitors in different markets. There's no Entercom or Greater Media in New York or Los Angeles. There's no Emmis or ABC Radio in the Boston market ratings. Mark From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 15 13:41:39 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:41:39 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten In-Reply-To: <7A8EE511-A16D-4F9F-A516-550FDACD70CA@mac.com> References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> <7A8EE511-A16D-4F9F-A516-550FDACD70CA@mac.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060115133514.040a6ca0@fybush.com> >How big is the Dallas or Atlanta metro when measured in miles from >the city center? Let's allow Boston's metro to include the same >mileage and see how big it gets. The fastest growing parts of the Dallas metro are the northern suburbs - Collin County and beyond - which are considerably more distant from downtown Dallas than Providence or Manchester are from downtown Boston. The Dallas market will eventually stretch almost to the Oklahoma line. Atlanta's a little more geographically constrained - you hit other markets like Athens and Rome as you move out - but Mark's point is a good one. >Also, only two companies have the kind of penetration into nearly all >major markets that you mention. After Clear Channel and CBS Radio, >there are different competitors in different markets. There's no >Entercom or Greater Media in New York or Los Angeles. There's no >Emmis or ABC Radio in the Boston market ratings. Nor, for that matter, does Boston have anything like the huge ratings influence now exerted by Spanish-language formats in most of the other top-10 markets. It's not just LA and Dallas, either - SBS' WSKQ is a consistent major player in NYC, frequently at or near the top of the ratings. No SBS or Univision Radio or Entravision in Boston - and barely any Radio One presence, either. s From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 15 13:53:17 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:53:17 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? Message-ID: <20060115185317.30D1A3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: rogerkirk >To: "Roger Kolakowski" , "Stephanie Weil" , "Donna Halper" >, "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:09:22 -0500 > > "Dan Strassberg" wrote: > > > > THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO SET IN THEIR WAYS ARE THE 20-SOMETHING > > TIME BUYERS, WHO LACK THE IMAGINATION TO RECOGNIZE THAT BY > > WRITING OFF THE BOOMERS, THEY ARE WRITING THE DEATH WARRANTS FOR > > THEIR OWN JOBS! > > I'd be glad to sell them rope. I'd bet that they would specify that it be a 'hemp' rope! Order yours today at: http://www.rawganique.com/HArope.htm -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 15 14:04:31 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:04:31 -0500 Subject: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe Message-ID: <20060115190431.AE67E3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Apropos some of the comments about WCRB on today's "Let's Talk About Radio", there are three Letters To The Editor in today's (01/15/06) replying to a column by the Globe's music critic Richard Dyer that was published New Year's day. It was suggested on today's "LTAR" that there would be a noticeable reaction to the demise of the current WCRB format if it went away. The opening sentence of Dyer's column seems to take exception to that; he wrote: "The news that Boston may soon be losing its only full-time classical-music station has NOT put the musical community up-in-arms as you might expect" (Capitalization mine). One of the letters is by WGBH-FM station manager Marita Rivero... http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/01/15/letters_and_commentary/?page=2 On today's "LTAR" Bob mentioned that he believed that the second HD channel would be inferior to the main channel...nothing was said about this by the WGBH-FM GM. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 15 14:23:10 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:23:10 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com><43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net><011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net><43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net><7A8EE511-A16D-4F9F-A516-550FDACD70CA@mac.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060115133514.040a6ca0@fybush.com> Message-ID: <000701c61a09$1f6d6a50$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Mark Laurence" ; "bRI" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Boston No Longer In Top Ten > The fastest growing parts of the Dallas metro are the northern suburbs - > Collin County and beyond - which are considerably more distant from > downtown Dallas than Providence or Manchester are from downtown Boston. > The Dallas market will eventually stretch almost to the Oklahoma line. > Atlanta's a little more geographically constrained - you hit other markets > like Athens and Rome as you move out - but Mark's point is a good one. A market is not just geography. Distant suburbs where people commute into a city are properly part of that city's market. Providence is not a Boston suburb. It is a separate urban area. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 15 15:59:58 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:59:58 -0500 Subject: Fw: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe Message-ID: <004101c61a16$a8ef5e20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Forgot to send this to the entire list -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: "Bob M Bittner" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe I think Bob was wrong. I believe that if a station uses only two channels, versus the three that Bob mentioned repeatedly, the second channel has the same bit rate as the main channel, but, in that case, both channels have only half the bit rate of the main channel of an FM that transmits only the main HD Radio channel. I can't recall the bit rates, but I think that the bit rate for an FM that transmits only the main HD channel is 128 kbps. If there is one subchannel, both channels are alotted 64 kbps. If there are two subchannels, the main gets 64 kbps and each subchannel gets 32 kbps. I believe that 32 kbps is the bit rate of the only channel of the AM version of HD Radio. Now, 128 kbps, happens to be the bit rate of the most popular emodiment of MP3, so you might be tempted to conclude that the quality of FM-band HD Radio with only one channel is the same as that of MP3. If that's your conclusion, you'd be wrong because HD Radio's lossy-compression algorithms are more advanced than MP3's compression algorithms (which, IIRC, are not lossy). Although the point is subject to heated debate and the conclusions about audio quality are intimately related to the program content, some people say that 32 kbps in HD Radio produces audio quality that is comparable to that of a 128-kbps MP3 stream. In a sense, though, this discussion is kind of a red herring. You don't need HD Radio to transmit FOUR programs on a (nominally) 200-kHz-wide FM channel. Analog FM allows for a main channel and three subcarriers. The subcarriers, which are frequency modulated onto the main carrier, are themselves, amplitude modulated, and none has the 15-kHz bandwidth of the main channel. As I understand it, current regulations make it illegal to sell to the general public in the US FM receivers that decode the analog subcarriers. These are reserved for subscription services, such as background music. iBiquity et al have decided to make the subcarriers available in radios sold to the general public, thus providing the potential of additional revenue streams from one FM license. If the set makers can get the cost, size and power-conumption of HD Radio receivers down to reasonable levels, this may become the key feature of the system. However, the idea of the broadcasters conspiring to allocate different formats to different companies sounds illegal to me because it appears to be in restraint of trade. And given the competitiveness of broadcasters in just about any multi-station market, the idea seems to define the word "unworkable." Haven't the clowns who set up the consortium idea ever heard of format flips? Can you imagine any broadcaster agreeing to change a format only if all competitors in the market approve of the switch? That has to be the biggest laugh of this still-young millennium -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:04 PM > Subject: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe > > > > Apropos some of the comments about WCRB on today's "Let's Talk > > About Radio", there are three Letters To The Editor in today's > > (01/15/06) replying to a column by the Globe's music critic > > Richard Dyer that was published New Year's day. It was suggested > > on today's "LTAR" that there would be a noticeable reaction to > > the demise of the current WCRB format if it went away. The opening > > sentence of Dyer's column seems to take exception to that; he > > wrote: "The news that Boston may soon be losing its only full-time > > classical-music station has NOT put the musical community > > up-in-arms as you might expect" (Capitalization mine). > > One of the letters is by WGBH-FM station manager Marita Rivero... > > > > > http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/01/15/letters_and_comm > entary/?page=2 > > > > On today's "LTAR" Bob mentioned that he believed that the > > second HD channel would be inferior to the main channel...nothing > > was said about this by the WGBH-FM GM. > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow > Pages > > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp > ?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > > > From hykker@grolen.com Sun Jan 15 10:43:35 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:43:35 -0500 Subject: thoughts on newest 12 + ratings? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060114211836.02559cc0@mac.com> References: <200601142109.AA909574356@mail.ttlc.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060114211836.02559cc0@mac.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20060115103418.01b6bb10@pop3.grolen.com> At 09:28 PM 1/14/2006, Larry Weil wrote: >At 09:09 PM 1/14/2006, rogerkirk wrote: > >>IMHO, people our age tend to make their buying decisions a little more >>carefully than they did in their 20's. They value functionality, product >>longevity and quality over what's 'HOT.' Less likely to overspend on a >>flashy sports car that gets poor gas mileage, but is 'HOT.' (Exemptions >>available for 50-somethings experiencing late/mid-life crises that demand >>the obligatory red sports car.) Not as likely to buy a 'loaded' computer >>for gaming - more likely to buy a modest one for e-mail and printing >>pictures of the grandkids. More likely to buy a basic cell phone to make >>calls, not a $300+ model that takes pictures, plays music & videos, sends >>Instant Messages, surfs the Internet and downloads Fitty-Cent >>ring-tones. In short, they stop to think before they buy, they're >>typically more frugal and they're a heckuva lot harder to seduce with >>Madison Avenue trickery. It's probably much easier to get a 20-something >>to part with his/her disposable income for something 'NEAT'. > >OK, I'm 55 (almost 56), so here's my take on this. What you said, while >somewhat of a generalization, is very true. What this points to is not >that those in our age group cannot be influenced by advertising, but >rather it gives a good summary of how products and the advertising for >them can be effectively aimed at people of this age. But, I think there >also is a market of older people who don't want to recognize their age, >who want to seem forever young, and there certainly are products (hair >coloring, for example) that appeals to them. The big difference between buying habits of people our age (I'm 55) and those in their 20s is that we're not as likely to jump on the latest fad...whether it be fashion, autos, music...whatever. Our tastes are pretty much set...this is not to say we're not open to new things, just that we're more likely to think out a major purpose rather than jump on the latest bandwagon for the sake of being trendy. Madison Ave. likes instant gratification, and most of us are a little more deliberate about our purchases. From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 15 17:19:39 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:19:39 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten In-Reply-To: <000701c61a09$1f6d6a50$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net> <011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> <7A8EE511-A16D-4F9F-A516-550FDACD70CA@mac.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060115133514.040a6ca0@fybush.com> <000701c61a09$1f6d6a50$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060115171527.10460d10@fybush.com> >A market is not just geography. Distant suburbs where people >commute into a city are properly part of that city's >market. Providence is not a Boston suburb. It is a separate urban area. As is Worcester, as is Manchester. No argument there - and there's a further point to be made that there's no way the class B signals of Boston can cover the amount of ground that the enormous Cs cover in Dallas and Atlanta. Mark's point, as I understand it, is simply (and correctly) that geography allows for a Dallas or an Atlanta to grow into an enormous market in a way in which the constraints of the much older New England markets would never allow for Boston. (It's the same here in western New York - any "growth" that my local Rochester market shows is gained through nibbling a few more fringe ZIP codes on the periphery from the Buffalo or Syracuse markets. Another few years, another shift in listening/viewing/commuting patterns, and that "growth" is again lost to the other markets. And meanwhile, Phoenix or Vegas or Austin or Raleigh-Durham adds another whole city of Rochester's worth of population every few years.) Given the growth patterns, Boston will be fighting to stay in the top 15 or 20 in another few decades, not through any real attrition of its own population, but merely from the unchecked growth of younger markets. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 15 17:44:32 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:44:32 -0500 Subject: Fw: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe In-Reply-To: <004101c61a16$a8ef5e20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <004101c61a16$a8ef5e20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060115172200.10441830@fybush.com> At 03:59 PM 1/15/2006, Dan Strassberg wrote: >I think Bob was wrong. I believe that if a station uses only two channels, >versus the three that Bob mentioned repeatedly, the second channel has the >same bit rate as the main channel, but, in that case, both channels have >only half the bit rate of the main channel of an FM that transmits only the >main HD Radio channel. I can't recall the bit rates, but I think that the >bit rate for an FM that transmits only the main HD channel is 128 kbps. 96 kbps, actually, which can be broken up in a variety of ways, at the station's discretion. Some stations are using 64 for the main and 32 for the HD-1 subchannel. Others are using 48 and 48. It's also possible to do three streams, 48-24-24, and I know of at least one station that's doing that (WBOI 89.1 in Fort Wayne, Indiana.) >If that's >your conclusion, you'd be wrong because HD Radio's lossy-compression >algorithms are more advanced than MP3's compression algorithms (which, IIRC, >are not lossy). Although the point is subject to heated debate and the >conclusions about audio quality are intimately related to the program >content, some people say that 32 kbps in HD Radio produces audio quality >that is comparable to that of a 128-kbps MP3 stream. Both MP3 and the variant of AAC that's used in HD Radio are most definitely lossy. I've heard various configurations of the HD Radio AAC scheme, and in my experience, there's audible artifacting even in the full-channel 96 k mode. Once you're down to 32, for AM HD or an FM subchannel, I find the artifacting audibly objectionable. Ironically, the AAC encoder seems (at least to my ear) to work far better for music at low bitrates than it does for voice, thus yielding the irony that (again, at least to my ear) the talk formats that are most likely to show up on such low-bitrate subchannels work least well there. (At the risk of veering somewhat off-topic, the most objectionable artifacting I've ever heard is on the extremely low-bitrate channels that XM uses to deliver its "local" traffic and weather services. I've heard estimates that those channels use as little as 8 kbps, and the result is that for some voices, especially female ones, they're quite literally unintelligible. I believe XM uses a similar AAC encoder to HD, unless I'm thinking of Sirius.) >In a sense, though, this discussion is kind of a red herring. You don't need >HD Radio to transmit FOUR programs on a (nominally) 200-kHz-wide FM channel. >Analog FM allows for a main channel and three subcarriers. The subcarriers, >which are frequency modulated onto the main carrier, are themselves, >amplitude modulated, and none has the 15-kHz bandwidth of the main channel. >As I understand it, current regulations make it illegal to sell to the >general public in the US FM receivers that decode the analog subcarriers. >These are reserved for subscription services, such as background music. The use of subcarriers for background music is essentially dead now, with satellite-based services having largely taken over that market. The primary uses now are for niche ethnic programming (with the program providers often selling fixed-tuned receivers to potential listeners), radio reading services, and for data paging. The audio quality of these subcarriers is uniformly hideous. There's another new technology called "Digital Radio Extra," or DRE, which uses the subcarrier bandwidth to transmit digital carriers. It's attracted a lot of interest from broadcasters who see it as a logical replacement for today's analog subcarriers. It's actually compatible with "HD Radio" IBOC (by virtue of the fact that it's really IBAC), and it sounds MUCH better than analog SCA. The big hangup here, as with HD Radio, is receiver availability. It's not yet clear that the specialized receivers are going to be available in quantity quickly enough to satisfy demand. If you're running a reading service, for instance, you need to swap out ALL your receivers in the field at once to successfully convert from analog SCA to DRE. I believe the reading service we run at WXXI in Rochester, for instance, has somewhere more than 10,000 receivers in the field. That won't be an easy swap when the time comes. >iBiquity et al have decided to make the subcarriers available in radios sold >to the general public, thus providing the potential of additional revenue >streams from one FM license. If the set makers can get the cost, size and >power-conumption of HD Radio receivers down to reasonable levels, this may >become the key feature of the system. However, the idea of the broadcasters >conspiring to allocate different formats to different companies sounds >illegal to me because it appears to be in restraint of trade. And given the >competitiveness of broadcasters in just about any multi-station market, the >idea seems to define the word "unworkable." Haven't the clowns who set up >the consortium idea ever heard of format flips? Can you imagine any >broadcaster agreeing to change a format only if all competitors in the >market approve of the switch? That has to be the biggest laugh of this >still-young millennium While there are many questions that deserve to be raised about the plan, I take serious issue with calling those behind it "clowns." I know, and respect, many of the players involved, in particular Clear Channel's engineering chief, Steve Davis, and I know that all parties have had the legal eagles working closely with them to stay on the right side of the Justice Department in all of this. It's my understanding, based on what's been said publicly by Davis and others involved in the consortium, that they won't be "allocating" different formats to different companies. The concept is to coordinate the choices being made by each of the participating clusters in any given market to make as many distinct format choices available to consumers as quickly as possible. I assume the idea is to make sure that New York, for instance, doesn't end up with four groups all trying to launch country formats on their HD subchannels. There's probably room for ONE country station in NYC. There's not room for four. (I have no idea what sort of mechanisms are in place to decide which of the broadcasters would end up with the format.) In any event, it's my understanding that there's no "veto" power that any one group would have over any other group's decision to change formats later on. It's also my understanding that this is a short-term effort, with a defined sunset date after which everyone will compete freely. While the format-coordination part of the plan has received most of the media attention, the real thrust of this coalition is to put some industry muscle behind promoting HD Radio and getting radios on store shelves and into dashboards. One might argue that it comes about three years later than it should, but the fact that it's being done at all seems to me to be a good thing, and if the industry can offer consumers a menu of choices that they wouldn't otherwise have on the dial (country or oldies in NYC, classical in Boston, and so on), it may be the last hope the technology has of achieving liftoff. s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Jan 15 19:04:37 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:04:37 -0500 Subject: Fw: Letters To The Editor In Today's Globe Message-ID: <200601151904.AA3222470716@mail.ttlc.net> "Dan Strassberg" wrote: >HD Radio's lossy-compression algorithms are more advanced than MP3's >compression algorithms (which, IIRC,are not lossy). Although the point >is subject to heated debate and the conclusions about audio quality >are intimately related to the program content, some people say that 32 >kbps in HD Radio produces audio quality that is comparable to that of >a 128-kbps MP3 stream. .mp3 encoding is lossy by definition and by design. What is "thrown away" is information that alledgedly will not be heard by the ear - for example a soft sound masked by a louder one (a simplification, I know.) Unfortunately, that depends on whose ear is listening and on the complexity of the program material being encoded. It has been postulated that possibly as many as one in ten people can detect .mp3 loss more readily than the other nine. I did some empirical testing on .mp3 encoding at 128, 160 & 192-kbps. At 128-kbps, there were frequently noticeable artifacts - especially with cymbals and those petite glissando-chimes (don't know the real name) that are popular in MOR and smooth jazz. At 192-kbps they become harder to discern and at 256 or 320-kbps disappear (for all practical purposes). Variable Bit Rate (VBR) allows the encoding bit rate to rise and fall to match the complexity of the encoded sound - while reducing the overall space required to store it. However, I suspect that is not feasible with HD-radio which I would guess is Constant Bit Rate (CBR). From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 16 09:54:26 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:54:26 -0500 Subject: Boston No Longer In Top Ten References: <20060114170749.C8138E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com><43C936BA.2040100@shoreham.net><011701c61937$8ac99440$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net><43CA67C9.9070308@shoreham.net> <000b01c619f2$29dbf9a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <014801c61aac$c1a32730$69081f42@Mark> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Although Worcester and the Merrimac Valley are part of the Boston TV > market, > I don't believe that they are part of the Boston radio market. Arbitron does have a Worcester book, but there is no Merrimack Valley book. As has been mentioned in the past, some Worcester stations show in the lower reaches of the Boston book, and as far as the Merrimack Valley goes, WXRV (92.5 Haverhill) consistently shows there also, in the past WCAP has cracked the bottom of the list, but not recently. Mark Watson From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 16 11:23:33 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:23:33 -0500 Subject: 97.5 Bristol Message-ID: <43CBC885.8020508@shoreham.net> Mr. Fybush, in his latest obligatory read, NERW, reports, "As NERW went to press Sunday night, Fine Arts Broadcasting had the leading bid, at $1.255 million, for 97.5A in Bristol,..." Who is Fine Arts Broadcasting? The $1M+ signal would need to have a decent footprint within Burlington/Plattsburgh to earn it back. It will be great to have a new signal to listen to along the verdant shores of Lake Champlain. Whatever "verdant" means. Sounded good. Bill O'Neill From francini@mac.com Mon Jan 16 11:46:19 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:46:19 -0500 Subject: 97.5 Bristol In-Reply-To: <43CBC885.8020508@shoreham.net> References: <43CBC885.8020508@shoreham.net> Message-ID: Verdant -- from the Latin (by way of French) vert, meaning 'green'. In other words, the green shores of Lake Champlain. Yours linguistically, John Francini On 16 Jan 2006, at 11:23, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Mr. Fybush, in his latest obligatory read, NERW, reports, "As NERW > went to press Sunday night, Fine Arts Broadcasting had the leading > bid, at $1.255 million, for 97.5A in Bristol,..." Who is Fine Arts > Broadcasting? The $1M+ signal would need to have a decent footprint > within Burlington/Plattsburgh to earn it back. It will be great to > have a new signal to listen to along the verdant shores of Lake > Champlain. Whatever "verdant" means. Sounded good. > > Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:49:58 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: Howie...meet Mike Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601160849x1d029b81xeb3c5a326d28e2cd@mail.gmail.com> Due to a 3:30 pm Celtics game today, w/ pregame at 3, WRKO won't be carrying Howie Carr...though he will be doing a show for those online and for his affiliates. WRKO joins Howie in progress at the end of the game. Hmm... Here's an idea I had so crazy it just might work: Today, and today only, pot down the computer playing Mike on 93.7 and plug in...Howie! Have the Mike Announcer Guy say, "Mike isn't Mike this afternoon. He's Howie. Don't forget, Mike comes back tonight...and if you like Howie, tune to AM 680." Cross-promote: Play bits of Mike music during the ad breaks, and. during the RKO Celts game, advertise that Howie is on 93.7, today only. And if the Mike format tanks in a while, try putting WRKO on 93.7 either as a simulcast or permanent move. "The new WRKO-FM, 93.7." From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 16 11:51:24 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:51:24 -0500 Subject: 97.5 Bristol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c61abd$1695b950$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > > Yours linguistically, > > John Francini > Sorry, I'm on a low carb diet. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (800)231-8849 Fax: (800)231-8849 From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 16 11:57:30 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:57:30 -0500 Subject: NERW Reports Paul Harvey Returning To Boston Message-ID: <016c01c61abd$f2df4f20$69081f42@Mark> Mr. Fybush reports in this week's NERW that Paul Harvey, recently dumped by WBZ, will be reportedly returning to the air soon on the mighty 5KW signal of WTTT (1150 Boston). No mention as to what date Mr. Harvey's reports will start to air on WTTT or what times they will air. Checking out WTTT's website http://www.talk1150.com/pages/1/index.htm shows there's no mention of their acquisition of Paul Harvey, but it appears that all of thier programming is birdfeed, so my guess is they'll have to interrupt or join the satellite fed programs in progress after airing Harvey's programs. Mark Watson From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 16 11:57:47 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:57:47 -0500 Subject: Howie...meet Mike In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601160849x1d029b81xeb3c5a326d28e2cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601160849x1d029b81xeb3c5a326d28e2cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CBD08B.5060305@shoreham.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > Here's an idea I had so crazy it just might work: Today, and today only, > pot down the computer playing Mike on 93.7 and plug in...Howie! Hmm... Describe the Carr listener who can't do something, well..., different, if the show were pre-empted. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 16 13:26:04 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:26:04 -0500 Subject: Howie...meet Mike Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601161026q6bd94cbo4fc020439981238f@mail.gmail.com> >>Hmm... Describe the Carr listener who can't do something, well..., different, if the show were pre-empted. Well, yes, we can do something different today, but why not have Howie on so we can listen to him while we're doing something different! :) Thought for the day: Maybe Keating can put country oldies on WNSH and we can call them...The Beverly Hillbillies! :) (and 1570 DID have country at one time, right? WMLO?) From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 17 13:42:02 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: Google Buys Scott Systems Message-ID: <200601171342.AA1462632542@mail.ttlc.net> In a deal to acquire dMarc, Google has acquired Scott Systems. Story here: http://www.billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001845461 From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 20:36:49 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:36:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dance music format in medium markets Message-ID: <20060119013649.78499.qmail@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's a general question to everyone on the list - The other day I noticed that our local Urban Contemporary station, WAJZ 96.3 FM Voorheesville (Albany) NY, is starting to drift away from their Urban format and into a Dance/Rhythmic CHR direction. They now have a Sunday night club mix show, and some notable additions to their playlist of late (Because of You remix by Kelly Clarkson amongst others) that would've been unthinkable just 6 months ago. Now I know there's been talk in the past about bringing a dance formatted station to the Albany NY market, but does anyone think a market of that size is actually big enough to support it? Based on my very amateur observations on the matter, the only places where dance music radio stations seem to do well is in extremely large markets like NYC, LA, and Chicago; and even in some of those cases it doesn't work. Any thoughts/comments? Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Jan 19 00:42:54 2006 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:42:54 -0500 Subject: Dance music format in medium markets In-Reply-To: <20060119013649.78499.qmail@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060119013649.78499.qmail@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dance music has been trying to make inroads in the US for many years since the death of disco. However, throughout most of the world, dance music is their pop music, and is all over the airwaves. Both XM and Sirius program multiple dance channels each and plenty of stations stream on the internet. There has been some success stories in the US as of late. DHT "Listen To Your Heart" was a recent number one single and the group Cascada is making inroads with their new song "Everytime We Touch" Madonna just released a new all-dance album and more pop singles are being remixed for club and on-air mix show play. Despite all this, there are very few all-dance stations in this country. Most are on rimshot signals that get low ratings. In the last couple of years, Dance stations in Orlando, Miami, LA and Chicago have dumped the format for something else. Contemporary dance should not be confused with rhythmic AC, which is essentially what Star 93.7 used to be, along with WNEW-FM/New York. WKTU does play some current product, but they are still gold-heavy. As far as Albany goes, I can't see how a smaller market with two CHR's already could possibly support a dance station, at least on the main signal. Current dance seems to be finding a home on HD though. Philadelphia and Miami already have dance formats on HD. With the HD radio "alliance" rolling out new formats on HD signals in the major markets (including Boston) I would not be surprised to see more dance music on the HD "band" in many cities in the future. A format like that would be the perfect complement to a terrestrial CHR/Pop or Rhythmic/Hip-Hop signal. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jan 18, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Here's a general question to everyone on the list - > The other day I noticed that our local Urban > Contemporary station, WAJZ 96.3 FM Voorheesville > (Albany) NY, is starting to drift away from their > Urban format and into a Dance/Rhythmic CHR direction. > They now have a Sunday night club mix show, and some > notable additions to their playlist of late (Because > of You remix by Kelly Clarkson amongst others) that > would've been unthinkable just 6 months ago. Now I > know there's been talk in the past about bringing a > dance formatted station to the Albany NY market, but > does anyone think a market of that size is actually > big enough to support it? Based on my very amateur > observations on the matter, the only places where > dance music radio stations seem to do well is in > extremely large markets like NYC, LA, and Chicago; and > even in some of those cases it doesn't work. Any > thoughts/comments? > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 19 18:39:52 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:39:52 -0500 Subject: Hub HD2 Looking Like Samo Samo With Funny Twist Message-ID: <200601191839.AA2476998970@mail.ttlc.net> Greater Media's plans for Boston are: Coffee House: acoustic, unplugged side of WBOS's core WBOS artists. River Redux? Laugh Tracks: a comedy format featured on WROR?s side-channel. Song parodies, classic comedy and local comedians. A creative breeding ground for new on-air talent?! Smooth Jazz: the format is making a Beantown comeback as a sidechannel to AC WMJX (Magic 106.7) Also to be streamed from Magic?s web site. Classic Country: WKLB to split signal and offer Classic Country HD2, the 60's thru the 90's. Michael B SHould Be Ecstatic! Classical: the multicast channel for FM talker WTKK. Full Story: http://www.billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001881827 Rolling Out as many as 9 channels in some markets, Clear Channel graces the Hub with 2: WXKS-FM - Artist Channel WJMN-FM - Xtreme Hip Hop Full Stories: http://www.billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001881757 http://www.billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001881827 From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 22 15:12:36 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:12:36 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th Message-ID: <003301c61f90$325cebe0$69081f42@Mark> WLVI (Channel 56) has announced that "Candlepins For Dollars" will premiere on Saturday March 4th at 6 PM. The weekly hour show will also repeat the Saturday episode on Sunday at 2 PM. Channel 56 weeknight news anchor Frank Mallicoat and WZID (95.7 Manchester NH) morning show host Mike Morin will be the hosts. Here is a link to the "Candlepins For Dollars" website containing the Channel 56 press release announcing the upcoming show: http://candlepindollars.com/id17.html Mark Watson From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 22 15:37:44 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:37:44 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th Message-ID: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Watson" > To: "Boston Radio" > Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:12:36 -0500 > WLVI (Channel 56) has announced that "Candlepins For Dollars" > will premiere on Saturday March 4th at 6 PM. The weekly hour show > will also repeat the Saturday episode on Sunday at 2 PM. Channel 56 > weeknight news anchor Frank Mallicoat and WZID (95.7 Manchester NH) > morning show host Mike Morin will be the hosts. > > Here is a link to the "Candlepins For Dollars" website containing > the Channel 56 press release announcing the upcoming show: > http://candlepindollars.com/id17.html > > Mark Watson First the Boston Metro market slips out of the top ten, and now this. Boston's decline is tragic to behold. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From francini@mac.com Sun Jan 22 16:56:51 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John J. Francini) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:56:51 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th In-Reply-To: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. There are some of us who grew up on the old Candlepin Bowling show with Don Gillis, and missed it when it finally left the airwaves. Our particular style of bowling is as much a part of New England as clam chowder, baked beans, and old rock fences. Besides, a game where no one -- NO ONE -- has ever had a 'perfect score' means there's still something to aspire to. Perfect games are far too common in tenpin. In fact, it was the commonality of perfect games that originally inspired the development of candlepin bowling anyway. And so we're not part of the Top Ten markets anymore. Big deal. Demographics come, and demographics go. john francini At 15:37 -0500 1/22/06, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >First the Boston Metro market slips out of the top ten, and now >this. Boston's decline is tragic to behold. > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Jan 22 23:05:31 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:05:31 -0500 Subject: Entercom Plans Two HD2 For The Hub Message-ID: <200601222305.AA939983060@mail.ttlc.net> In Boston Entercom is planning two: - a live rock music stream - a dance station. Seattle: Six Portland: Six Wichita: Five Full Story From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Jan 22 23:09:08 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:09:08 -0500 Subject: CBS Plans Four HD2 In The Hub Message-ID: <200601222309.AA563150904@mail.ttlc.net> BOSTON WBCN-FM Indie & Ultra New Rock WBMX-FM All 80s WODS-FM Super Oldies (from Elvis to the Beatles) WZLX-FM Lost Classics & Deep Tracks From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jan 22 23:43:37 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:43:37 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> No one outside New England and the Maritimes even knows what candlepin bowling is, so if genuinely local TV is what you're looking for, by golly, this is it. I grew up with Don Gillis' weekly show. I think the return of televised candlepin is great news. I wish we could get it here in Maine. I'll know that Boston TV has REALLY gone retro when "Starring the Editors" and "Community Auditions" make their return. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Francini" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; "Mark Watson" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th > I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. > > There are some of us who grew up on the old Candlepin Bowling show > with Don Gillis, and missed it when it finally left the airwaves. Our > particular style of bowling is as much a part of New England as clam > chowder, baked beans, and old rock fences. > > Besides, a game where no one -- NO ONE -- has ever had a 'perfect > score' means there's still something to aspire to. Perfect games are > far too common in tenpin. In fact, it was the commonality of perfect > games that originally inspired the development of candlepin bowling > anyway. > > > > And so we're not part of the Top Ten markets anymore. Big deal. > Demographics come, and demographics go. > > > john francini > > > > At 15:37 -0500 1/22/06, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > >First the Boston Metro market slips out of the top ten, and now > >this. Boston's decline is tragic to behold. > > > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as p?SRC=lycos10 > > -- > ---- > John Francini > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + > | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | > | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| > | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | > | -- John Adams | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 23 01:16:59 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:16:59 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th In-Reply-To: <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> But how about Candlepins for Cash? Bring back Gamere. "Keep the ball rollin'..." A list of the various bowling shows and when they appeared is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlepin_bowling From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 23 02:07:40 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:07:40 -0500 Subject: WCRB Sale Message-ID: <43D43A6C.15466.AE50E9@localhost> Bob was mentioning the sale price of WCRB on this morning's LTAR, so I assume it's now a done deal. Do we know yet when the sale will close or what station Greater Media is going to divest? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From francini@mac.com Mon Jan 23 03:03:43 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John J. Francini) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:03:43 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> <1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A good and rather thorough article, though I believe they have a small factual error about the Channel 5 show. I remember vividly that for many years it was taped not at Sammy White's, but at the Wollaston Boulevard Bowladrome in Quincy. I grew up down on the South Shore, and tried to get to the WBB as often as I could while growing up. After all, that was where the pros bowled!!! Unfortunately, the WBB is gone, as is Sammy White's, as well as the Wal-Lex (both the bowling center and the roller-skating rink). John At 1:16 -0500 1/23/06, Bob Nelson wrote: >But how about Candlepins for Cash? Bring back Gamere. "Keep the ball >rollin'..." > >A list of the various bowling shows and when they appeared is at: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlepin_bowling -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jan 23 08:35:57 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:35:57 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> <1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01ee01c62021$f15384f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Bob Gamere! That's a name I haven't read in a long time. I remember him from his WTAG days. Where is he nowadays? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Francini" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Doug Drown" ; Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th > A good and rather thorough article, though I believe they have a > small factual error about the Channel 5 show. I remember vividly > that for many years it was taped not at Sammy White's, but at the > Wollaston Boulevard Bowladrome in Quincy. I grew up down on the South > Shore, and tried to get to the WBB as often as I could while growing > up. After all, that was where the pros bowled!!! > > Unfortunately, the WBB is gone, as is Sammy White's, as well as the > Wal-Lex (both the bowling center and the roller-skating rink). > > John > > > At 1:16 -0500 1/23/06, Bob Nelson wrote: > >But how about Candlepins for Cash? Bring back Gamere. "Keep the ball > >rollin'..." > > > >A list of the various bowling shows and when they appeared is at: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlepin_bowling > > -- > ---- > John Francini > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + > | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | > | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| > | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | > | -- John Adams | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Jan 23 16:18:21 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:18:21 -0500 Subject: Pirates Moving To The Web, Too! Message-ID: <200601231618.AA37552608@mail.ttlc.net> Apparently Howard Stern & company have sent a "cease-and-desist" letter to a Boston-based Web site that is rebroadcasting the Sirius show as a free audio stream. www.hearhoward.org and www.hearhoward100.com are the alledged infringers. FWITW: Does Webcasting based in the northeast qualify as bona fide news on this group? Or am I straying a little too far afield? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Jan 23 17:00:37 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:00:37 -0500 Subject: The HD Offers Are Coming, Already! Message-ID: <200601231700.AA225050850@mail.ttlc.net> I just received an e-mail advertisement for the Boston Acoustics Receptor Radio HD. $20 rebate makes this an indisputable bargain at only $479.99 (after rebate) from Crutchfield. I can see where this little devil is gonna sell like hotcakes. Most people will likely buy one for the den, one for an alarm clock (dual wake-up times & snooze) and one for the top of the fridge to listen to while eating breakfast. Too bad they don't offer a moistureproof model for the bathroom. From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 23 17:02:08 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:02:08 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com><019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2><1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> <01ee01c62021$f15384f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <003a01c62068$aa0304d0$69081f42@Mark> Doug Drown wrote: > Bob Gamere! That's a name I haven't read in a long time. I remember him > from his WTAG days. Where is he nowadays? After his firing from Channel 56, he vanished from TV & radio in these parts. A couple of years ago, there were frequent ads in the Boston Herald sports section for "The Great Gamere" where he would give you tips on football, basketball, horse races, etc. by calling a 1-900 number. Haven't seen those ads in a while, so I don't know what he's up to these days. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 23 17:08:50 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:08:50 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <004301c62069$99b022b0$69081f42@Mark> Doug Drowm wrote: I think the return of > televised candlepin is great news. I wish we could get it here in Maine. In the Channel 56 press release announcing "Candlepins For Dollars", it is mentioned that they are looking to find stations in the Springfield MA area, Rhode Island, CT, NH, Maine and eastern Canada to air the show. The old "Candlepin Bowling" show with Don Gillis aired for many years on Channel 40 in Springfield, I don't know if they were still airing it when WCVB cancelled the show in 1996. So if they can sign up a station in maine to carry the show, you may get your wish. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 23 17:20:15 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:20:15 -0500 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <20060122203744.8355F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com><019d01c61fd7$9572db80$6501a8c0@pastor2><1fbbbced0601222216m124f2051r30fa63f72497374c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01c6206b$316e2790$69081f42@Mark> John J. Francini wrote: >A good and rather thorough article, though I believe they have a small >factual error about the Channel 5 show. I remember vividly that for many >years it was taped not at Sammy White's, but at the Wollaston Boulevard >Bowladrome in Quincy. I don't recall the Channel 5 show ever being taped at the Wollaston lanes in Quincy. The first year or two of "Candlepins For Cash" on then WNAC Channel 7 were taped at Wollaston, then moved to the 2 lane bowling alley built in the Channel 7 parking garage in Government Center. After Channel 7 cancelled "Cash" it was picked up a few months later by then WXNE Channel 25, with a new host, former Red Sox player Rico Petrocelli, and WXNE's "Cash" was taped at the Wal-Lex lanes. The WXNE version didn't last more than a year IIRC. Channel 5's "Candlepin Bowling" originally aired from a basement bowling alley next to Fenway Park, on the corner of Brookline Ave & either Lansdowne St. or Yawkey Way. later it moved to Sammy White's in Brighton, which IIRC closed rather abruptly after a multiple murder took place there. Then the show moved to the Fairway Lanes in Natick where it remained till the end. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 23 17:25:42 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:25:42 -0500 Subject: Pirates Moving To The Web, Too! References: <200601231618.AA37552608@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <006201c6206c$1b339540$69081f42@Mark> Roger Kirk wrote: > Apparently Howard Stern & company have sent a "cease-and-desist" > letter to a Boston-based Web site that is rebroadcasting the Sirius show > as a free audio stream. > > www.hearhoward.org and www.hearhoward100.com are the alledged infringers. I clicked on "hearhoward.org" and was able to read a copy of the cease & desist they received. I clicked on "hearhoward100.com" and it brought me to the eBay auction listing offering the domain for sale. As of the time of this posting there are 6 days remaining in the auction and 1 bid in thus far. Hope the winning bidder knows what they're in for!! Mark Watson From pete@partnercomm.com Mon Jan 23 17:35:49 2006 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:35:49 -0500 Subject: The HD Offers Are Coming, Already! In-Reply-To: <200601231700.AA225050850@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601231700.AA225050850@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <43D55A45.3040504@partnercomm.com> rogerkirk wrote: > I can see where this little devil is gonna sell like hotcakes. Most people will likely buy one for the den, one for an alarm clock (dual wake-up times & snooze) and one for the top of the fridge to listen to while eating breakfast. Too bad they don't offer a moistureproof model for the bathroom. > Be careful, Roger. People might take you seriously! -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 11:34:25 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:34:25 -0500 Subject: NY Post: Curses Foiled Again for Stern Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601240834x71ee709cg67808d9fc5c1ea01@mail.gmail.com> So Stern goes to satellite radio so he can say anything. Oops. He might be Sirius-ly censored... http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/62098.htm Howard Stern may be coming down with a Sirius case of the bleeps. High-level executives of the satellite broadcaster are developing an internal standards-and-practices document that will set boundaries for Stern and other shock jocks, The Post has learned. "It's something that's being taken very seriously," a Sirius source said. Stern's new show also is being broadcast on a time-delay, giving him the opportunity to censor the program ? which he already has done. Stern moved to Sirius in part because satellite-radio services such as Sirius and XM ? unlike free terrestrial radio ? are not policed by the FCC, which spent years waging an indecency war against him. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 11:59:21 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:59:21 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001883859 "The WB Network and UPN will merge in the hope of making the two smaller broadcast networks into a bigger power, according to sources familiar with the situation. Time Warner CEO Richard Parsons, CBS Corp. CEO Leslie Moonves and Tribune Co. CEO Dennis FitzSimons were set to announce the move at a news conference in New York at 11 a.m. ET. TW and Tribune have been partners in the WB, while CBS owns UPN." So who will carry it in the various markets? CBS/Viacom owns (or has some kind of LMA) WSBK 38 (UPN) and I believe Tribune Co. owns WLVI 56 (The WB). That's Boston, at least. Who will have the new net? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 12:31:57 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:31:57 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> References: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601240931s940ef23lee438247a52e71e9@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Scott Fybush wrote: > According to the press release I just read, WLVI will be "The CW" > affiliate in Boston, which means WSBK will go back to being an indie. thanks for the info! > In Burlington, WB was carried late at night on Fox affiiate WFFF, > while UPN is on a network of LPTVs. I'd guess those LPTVs will > continue with The CW, but who knows? Didn't Burlington used to have two stations, one UPN and one WB? I seem to remember a Ch 39 and a Ch 27 and one went silent or something (a quick look at TVRadioWorld site says that Ch 27 is now an LPTV licensed to Plattsburgh NY). But I do remember a Ch 39 being on when I visited the area years ago...and heard something about them going dark... From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jan 24 12:32:50 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:32:50 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4507303.1138123970789.JavaMail.marklaurence@mac.com> On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 12:02PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001883859 > >"The WB Network and UPN will merge... > > Who will have the new net? According to the article, "Tribune Broadcasting is expected to be the primary station group for the new network." So, that would be 56. Mark From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 12:39:30 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:30 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <4507303.1138123970789.JavaMail.marklaurence@mac.com> References: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> <4507303.1138123970789.JavaMail.marklaurence@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601240939mdf1d0c5p4e8083487ae04aa1@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 12:02PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > According to the article, "Tribune Broadcasting is expected to be the primary station group for the new network." So, that would be 56. Thanks! Couple other people have mentioned the same thing, now. _Syndie_ programs for an _Indie_ Ch 38, come next fall, to take UPN's place... From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 24 12:42:11 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:42:11 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601240931s940ef23lee438247a52e71e9@mail.gmail.com > References: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0601240931s940ef23lee438247a52e71e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124013.03838760@fybush.com> >Didn't Burlington used to have two stations, one UPN and one WB? I >seem to remember a Ch 39 and a Ch 27 and one went silent or >something (a quick look at TVRadioWorld site says that Ch 27 is now >an LPTV licensed to Plattsburgh NY). But I do remember a Ch 39 being on >when I visited the area years ago...and heard something about them >going dark... 27 has always been a Plattsburgh-licensed LPTV, with the WWBI calls (formerly W27BI, if memory serves). Daystar bought it last year, and it's now religious. It had been doing WB, then Pax after WFFF got the secondary WB affiliation. It even had Montreal cable carriage for a time. 39 was the key station in the UPN LPTV network. It was WBVT-CA, then went through bankruptcy and was off the air for a while, then returned as WGMU-CA. I think it's on the air now. Maybe BillO knows for sure...? s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 12:46:19 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:46:19 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124013.03838760@fybush.com> References: <1fbbbced0601240859t5ee508d8y64e6bafe86afb69@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0601240931s940ef23lee438247a52e71e9@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124013.03838760@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601240946l49dea210m1a8cd83ec7d9fa7a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Scott Fybush wrote: > 27 has always been a Plattsburgh-licensed LPTV > 39 was the key station in the UPN LPTV network. It was WBVT-CA, then > went through bankruptcy and was off the air for a while, then > returned as WGMU-CA. I think it's on the air now. Maybe BillO knows > for sure...? Thanks for that info! I remember seeing them on the cable lineup of my motel in the Burlington area, and they had ads in the local papers (Seven Days, etc.) By the way, WSBK/38 is currently billing themselves as "The U", as in "UPN-38:". Will that change once that net is defunct? :) Not the only station to bill themselves that way. Chicago's WCIU-TV 26 calls itself "The U" (and runs syndie stuff, sports, etc.--and funny horror movie host Svengoolie. BER-wyn! I had gotten some tapes of that show from a trader.) From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 24 12:13:56 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:13:56 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124121348.038308c8@fybush.com> >So who will carry it in the various markets? CBS/Viacom owns (or has >some kind of >LMA) WSBK 38 (UPN) and I believe Tribune Co. owns WLVI 56 (The WB). >That's Boston, at least. Who will have the new net? According to the press release I just read, WLVI will be "The CW" affiliate in Boston, which means WSBK will go back to being an indie. CBS-owned UPN affiliate WLWC will continue as "The CW" affiliate in Providence, which should be no surprise to anyone, since there was never a primary WB affiliate in Providence. Tribune's WTXX (WB) will carry The CW in the Hartford market, leaving LIN's WCTX (UPN) without an affiliation. In Portland, Pegasus owns both WPXT (WB) and WPME (UPN), so it's essentially up to them which one keeps The CW. I'd bet on WPXT, just because of its more established cable carriage. In Burlington, WB was carried late at night on Fox affiiate WFFF, while UPN is on a network of LPTVs. I'd guess those LPTVs will continue with The CW, but who knows? In New York, Tribune's WPIX gets The CW. Fox is the big loser in this deal, as it had the UPN affiliations in NY (WWOR), Chicago (WPWR), LA (KCOP), Minneapolis (WFTC) and a few other markets, and stands to lose all of them. s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 13:27:46 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: WWBI - WBVT clarification In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124013.03838760@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20060124182746.24830.qmail@web36914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few further clarifications here. WWBI was, indeed W27BI-LP when it first signed on. Further, W27BI was the original UPN affiliate for Plattsburgh/Burlington in the late 90s, and WBVT-CA (don't remember their original -LP calls) was originally the WB affiliate for Burlington/Plattsburgh (at this point was likely the time when WWBI had Montreal cable coverage, as several on air commercials advertised Quebec businesses). Just before I moved out of Plattsburgh after graduation, WBVT (WB affiliate for VermonT IIRC) switched affiliation to UPN, at which point W27BI, which by then was known as WWBI, switched to be an affiliate of Pax. I did not know what became of the WB affiliation after this move, and as well all know WWBI was recently sold to Daystar. An aside to this topic - apparently WWBI, even as a low power UHF that I could barely get at my old apartment right in Plattsburgh, was/is vieweable in Montreal, 64 miles to the north. I learned of this on a DTV discussioin board from Canada, and to this day am amazed by it considering how poor our recption was just a few miles from their xmtr. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY --- Scott Fybush wrote: > > >Didn't Burlington used to have two stations, one > UPN and one WB? I > >seem to remember a Ch 39 and a Ch 27 and one went > silent or > >something (a quick look at TVRadioWorld site says > that Ch 27 is now > >an LPTV licensed to Plattsburgh NY). But I do > remember a Ch 39 being on > >when I visited the area years ago...and heard > something about them > >going dark... > > 27 has always been a Plattsburgh-licensed LPTV, with > the WWBI calls > (formerly W27BI, if memory serves). Daystar bought > it last year, and > it's now religious. It had been doing WB, then Pax > after WFFF got the > secondary WB affiliation. It even had Montreal cable > carriage for a time. > > 39 was the key station in the UPN LPTV network. It > was WBVT-CA, then > went through bankruptcy and was off the air for a > while, then > returned as WGMU-CA. I think it's on the air now. > Maybe BillO knows > for sure...? > > s > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 24 12:59:04 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:59:04 -0500 Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124311.0381d470@fybush.com> Springfield cable customers get WSBK for their UPN and a cable-only "WB 100+" affiliate called "WBQT" for WB. My guess is that those cable-only affiliates will slide over to The CW, and WSBK will stay on the system as an indie. And since the Albany market extends into New England, it should be noted that Tribune's WEWB 45 (WB) will keep The CW affiliation, leaving newcomer WNYA (operated under an LMA with CBS affil WRGB) as an indie in a precarious position. As for Bangor, they get WSBK on cable for UPN and they have a cable-only WB affiliate, which will probably go to The CW. s From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Jan 24 13:05:55 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> Message-ID: <39762.12.37.144.130.1138125955.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Tue, January 24, 2006 12:13, Scott Fybush said: > Fox is the big loser in this > deal, as it had the UPN affiliations in NY (WWOR), Chicago (WPWR), LA > (KCOP), Minneapolis (WFTC) and a few other markets, and stands to > lose all of them. Maybe now Fox could start a second service? Fox TV-1 (Channel 5) and Fox TV-2 (Channel 9)? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 24 14:26:21 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:26:21 -0500 Subject: Radio Photo On eBay Message-ID: <200601241426.AA883884134@mail.ttlc.net> There's a 1951 "Movie Photo" for sale on eBay that includes Norm Prescott (WORL) and Bob Clayton (WHDH) and Much Much More. Current Bid is $14.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/51-Disc-Jockey-movie-still-photo-28-radio-station-star_W0QQitemZ7582886008QQcategoryZ60316QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 24 19:34:58 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:34:58 -0500 Subject: WGME Anchor has stroke -- on the air Message-ID: <002601c62147$2c10f020$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Doug Rafferty experienced symptoms while on the air. He is expected to make a full recovery and return to the station. http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/01/24/tv_news_anchor_recovering_from_stroke_suffered_on_the_job/ From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jan 24 21:18:51 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:18:51 -0500 Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124311.0381d470@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> I wonder whether CBS will sell off some of its former UPN "O & O"s, such as WSBK. Why would CBS want to own indies? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... > Springfield cable customers get WSBK for their UPN and a cable-only > "WB 100+" affiliate called "WBQT" for WB. My guess is that those > cable-only affiliates will slide over to The CW, and WSBK will stay > on the system as an indie. > > And since the Albany market extends into New England, it should be > noted that Tribune's WEWB 45 (WB) will keep The CW affiliation, > leaving newcomer WNYA (operated under an LMA with CBS affil WRGB) as > an indie in a precarious position. > > As for Bangor, they get WSBK on cable for UPN and they have a > cable-only WB affiliate, which will probably go to The CW. > > s > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 24 22:43:12 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:43:12 -0500 Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... In-Reply-To: <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124311.0381d470@fybush.com> <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124224128.039a08d0@fybush.com> At 09:18 PM 1/24/2006, Doug Drown wrote: >I wonder whether CBS will sell off some of its former UPN "O & O"s, such as >WSBK. Why would CBS want to own indies? Why wouldn't it? They're dirt cheap to run (most of the staff and all of the facilities are shared with WBZ-TV), they're profitable even without the 12 hours a week of prime time that UPN provided, they can share programming with WBZ (expect a Dr. Phil rerun in prime-time), and they'd be hard to sell as separate stations now, since the buyer would have to build brand new studio facilities. (The old WSBK studios on Leo Birmingham Parkway are now being used by WBCN and WODS, after all...) s From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 24 22:51:17 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:51:17 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <006901c62163$1a60d3b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> <39762.12.37.144.130.1138125955.squirrel@12.37.144.130> <006901c62163$1a60d3b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124224902.03995c08@fybush.com> At 10:54 PM 1/24/2006, Doug Drown wrote: >I'm asking this question as a layman: Given that CBS and Time Warner will >co-own the CW; that Hearst, NBC and ABC co-own A&E, etc.; does the FCC allow >for joint ownership or majority/minority ownership of broadcasting stations? >I think I read years ago that there was some sort of relationship between >the Hildreth stations in Maine and LIN Broadcasting, but I may be wrong. Sure - that's perfectly allowable. For instance, NBC's KXAS in Fort Worth is actually owned jointly by NBC and LIN, though NBC has the controlling interest. I think NBC also kept an interest in WKYC Cleveland when it sold majority ownership to Gannett. Closer to home, I think Scripps began with a minority interest in Shop at Home (WMFP, WSAH) before it bought the network and stations outright. s From revdoug1@verizon.net Tue Jan 24 22:54:54 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:54:54 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124120841.03814768@fybush.com> <39762.12.37.144.130.1138125955.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <006901c62163$1a60d3b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I'm asking this question as a layman: Given that CBS and Time Warner will co-own the CW; that Hearst, NBC and ABC co-own A&E, etc.; does the FCC allow for joint ownership or majority/minority ownership of broadcasting stations? I think I read years ago that there was some sort of relationship between the Hildreth stations in Maine and LIN Broadcasting, but I may be wrong. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) > > On Tue, January 24, 2006 12:13, Scott Fybush said: > > Fox is the big loser in this > > deal, as it had the UPN affiliations in NY (WWOR), Chicago (WPWR), LA > > (KCOP), Minneapolis (WFTC) and a few other markets, and stands to > > lose all of them. > > Maybe now Fox could start a second service? Fox TV-1 (Channel 5) and Fox > TV-2 (Channel 9)? > > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 23:27:32 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:27:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... In-Reply-To: <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <20060125042732.42846.qmail@web35913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > I wonder whether CBS will sell off some of its > former UPN "O & O"s, such as > WSBK. Why would CBS want to own indies? To counterprogram? Draw viewers from the competitors? Sell more spots in a market? Kinda like the days of owning an AM/FM.....you have twice as much spot inventory to sell....running 2 stations....while consolidating costs....under 1 roof. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 25 00:13:40 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:13:40 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <006901c62163$1a60d3b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> On 24 Jan 2006 at 22:54, Doug Drown wrote: > I'm asking this question as a layman: Given that CBS and Time Warner > will co-own the CW; that Hearst, NBC and ABC co-own A&E, etc.; does > the FCC allow for joint ownership or majority/minority ownership of > broadcasting stations? I think I read years ago that there was some > sort of relationship between the Hildreth stations in Maine and LIN > Broadcasting, but I may be wrong. What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged network or is that just a term that we've come up with? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From xtrovato@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 02:26:41 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:26:41 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) References: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> Message-ID: <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged > network or is that just a term that we've come up with? I saw it on the CBS press release without explanation. Sound like a Country/Western network to me! ;-) From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 25 07:21:00 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:21:00 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) References: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <008701c621a9$cdde10b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I had exactly the same reaction. I wonder how many other people did. Someone should tell the owners, "Bad choice." -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Trovato" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:26 AM Subject: Re: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) > > > What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged > > network or is that just a term that we've come up with? > > > I saw it on the CBS press release without explanation. > > Sound like a Country/Western network to me! ;-) > From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 25 07:42:30 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:42:30 -0700 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) Message-ID: >>What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged network or is that just a term that we've come up with? << I would have to guess it's a contraction of "CBS" and "WB." Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 25 08:22:28 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:22:28 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) References: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <008701c621a9$cdde10b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <009701c621b2$640d8220$6501a8c0@pastor2> You know what what the letters mean, and I know what the letters mean, but I'm not sure the viewing public in general will know what the letters mean. When most people see "CW," they immediately think of country-western. (Given that allusion, it wouldn't be a stretch to call it "The Cow." ;-) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) > On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:21:00 -0500 > "Doug Drown" wrote: > >I had exactly the same reaction. I wonder how many other > >people did. > >Someone should tell the owners, "Bad choice." > > C: As in CBS. > W: As in WB, Warner Brothers. > > Sounds relatively simple to me. > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 25 09:19:10 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:19:10 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) Message-ID: <200601250919.AA182780560@mail.ttlc.net> "Doug Drown" wrote: >You know what what the letters mean, and I know what the letters mean, >but I'm not sure the viewing public in general will know what the >letters mean. When most people see "CW," they immediately think of >country-western. (Given that allusion, it wouldn't be a stretch to >call it "The Cow." ;-) Every time I see "WB" I immediately think of Warner Brothers. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Jan 25 11:15:25 2006 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:25 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <009701c621b2$640d8220$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <008701c621a9$cdde10b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <009701c621b2$640d8220$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <43D7A41D.3010200@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Doug Drown wrote: > You know what what the letters mean, and I know what the letters mean, but > I'm not sure the viewing public in general will know what the letters mean. > When most people see "CW," they immediately think of country-western. > (Given that allusion, it wouldn't be a stretch to call it "The Cow." ;-) > > Better than calling it the "WC". Tony From radio88@radio88.net Wed Jan 25 12:09:14 2006 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:09:14 -0500 Subject: The CW Message-ID: Les Moonves was quoted as saying that "CW" does indeed stand for CBS-Warner Bros. He added that, "We decided it shouldn't be 'WC' for obvious reasons." -- Todd Glickman Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 25 11:37:39 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:37:39 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:42 AM -0700 1/25/06, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged >network or is that just a term that we've come up with? << > >I would have to guess it's a contraction of "CBS" and "WB." Yup, according to other reports, that's it. Of course to ham operators it stands for continuous wave, used for morse code. (Well it's continuous during the key down period!) -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 25 12:14:39 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: The CW Message-ID: <200601251214.AA1226178644@mail.ttlc.net> >Les Moonves was quoted as saying that "CW" does indeed stand for >CBS-Warner Bros. He added that, "We decided it shouldn't be 'WC' for >obvious reasons." Given the speed with which companies acquire and divest each other, naming the network after the combined companies is neither memorable nor useful. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Jan 25 10:21:03 2006 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:21:03 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <43D6C2B4.25127.76D92A@localhost> <021e01c62180$b4c24980$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060125101632.02ef8330@pop.gis.net> Dubbed the CW ("C" is for CBS and "W" is for Warner Bros.) As for the new network's moniker, Moonves said the two sides settled on the acronym "CW" without much debate. "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious reasons," Moonves joked. At 02:26 AM 1/25/2006, R Trovato wrote: > > What does "CW" stand for? Is that to be the name of the merged > > network or is that just a term that we've come up with? > > >I saw it on the CBS press release without explanation. > >Sound like a Country/Western network to me! ;-) Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jan 25 12:21:34 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:21:34 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <200601251214.AA1226178644@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200601251214.AA1226178644@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <17367.45982.672049.424068@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Given the speed with which companies acquire and divest each other, > naming the network after the combined companies is neither memorable > nor useful. Well, it "worked" for The WB (Warner Brothers) and UPN (United & Paramount) for a decade. Never mind the fact that Paramount is once again not co-owned with the network that bears its name, and United if it still exists at all is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fox Television Stations, Inc. Given Tribune's involvement, they could have called it "The CWT", but that might not be good for the market image.... -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 25 12:36:56 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:36:56 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <17367.45982.672049.424068@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <200601251214.AA1226178644@mail.ttlc.net> <17367.45982.672049.424068@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060125123329.02154008@fybush.com> At 12:21 PM 1/25/2006, Garrett Wollman wrote: >< said: > > > Given the speed with which companies acquire and divest each other, > > naming the network after the combined companies is neither memorable > > nor useful. > >Well, it "worked" for The WB (Warner Brothers) and UPN (United & >Paramount) for a decade. Never mind the fact that Paramount is once >again not co-owned with the network that bears its name, and United if >it still exists at all is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fox Television >Stations, Inc. > >Given Tribune's involvement, they could have called it "The CWT", but >that might not be good for the market image.... I'm somewhat inclined to believe, given the apparent speed with which this deal was made and the impressive secrecy in which it was shrouded until about 24 hours ago, that by the time the new network hits the airwaves this fall it may have a better name. For its sake, I would certainly *hope* that "The CW" turns out to be something interim. (Recall, by the way, that UPN came very close, a year or two ago, to dropping the United "U" from its name and becoming simply the "Paramount Network." Those plans were ditched, I think, as the CBS/Viacom split approached and Paramount ended up being divorced from UPN. I don't think United even exists as a subsidiary anymore - IIRC, the former United/Chris-Craft stations are now licensed to FTS itself.) I'm partial to "Overmyer Network" as a name for the new entity, myself... s From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 25 13:18:09 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:18:09 -0700 Subject: The CW Message-ID: >>I'm partial to "Overmyer Network" as a name for the new entity, myself...<< We could always dig up Allen B. DuMont too. At least he had *one* hit show... Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 25 17:40:49 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:40:49 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060125173855.02949998@pop.registeredsite.com> At 12:09 PM 1/25/2006 -0500, Todd Glickman wrote: >Les Moonves was quoted as saying that "CW" does indeed stand for >CBS-Warner Bros. He added that, "We decided it shouldn't be 'WC' for >obvious reasons." Yeah but when I think CW, I think Country and Western. And when I ran the name by my journalism students today (and they are in the target demo), they had no clue what it meant. Those who hadn't heard about it thought it referred to "W"-- as in President Bush (see W), whereas those who had read about it thought it was the initials of something, but weren't sure what-- they didn't associate CBS with either the WB or UPN. From brian@tophour.net Tue Jan 24 22:23:20 2006 From: brian@tophour.net (Brian Davis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:23:20 -0600 Subject: Two more markets I overlooked in the UPN/WB merger... In-Reply-To: <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124124311.0381d470@fybush.com> <003301c62155$afdc3960$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <43D6EF28.4050101@tophour.net> Doug Drown wrote: >I wonder whether CBS will sell off some of its former UPN "O & O"s, such as >WSBK. > I would be stunned if they did. >Why would CBS want to own indies? > Because TVs throw off a ton of cash. And indies can make ridiculous amounts of money -- even though they don't have network programming to sell, they can sell a lot more spots because they'll have virtually all the avails in a program instead of sharing them with the network. Incidentally: what are they thinking with "The CW?" That's just...not good. -brian (long time listener, first time caller) From todd_cooper@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 14:46:36 2006 From: todd_cooper@yahoo.com (Todd Cooper) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: CW name Message-ID: <20060125194636.89163.qmail@web60714.mail.yahoo.com> The article I read said it was CBS-Warner the partners in the new network. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the advertising people trying to come up with something catchy to make the acronym stick in people's minds. Todd M. Cooper todd@world.std.com From xtrovato@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 21:13:21 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:13:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060125101632.02ef8330@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious reasons," > Moonves joked. Can I be the dope that asks someone to explain what is so obvious? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 25 21:42:27 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:42:27 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) References: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013801c62222$262fff30$6501a8c0@pastor2> I assume it's that in Britain, "WC" stands for "water closet," which is a bathroom. (There was a joke having to do with this that Jack Paar was going to tell on The Tonight Show one night back around 1961 or so; the NBC censors wouldn't allow it. Paar, in a snit, quit the show and walked off the stage in mid-monologue. He returned a few nights later after working things out with the network.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Trovato" To: "Ron Bello" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) > > > "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious reasons," > > Moonves joked. > > > Can I be the dope that asks someone to explain what is > so obvious? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 25 22:40:34 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:40:34 -0700 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) Message-ID: >>> "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious reasons," > Moonves joked. Can I be the dope that asks someone to explain what is so obvious?<< The abbreviation WC is a term, mostly of British usage, for "water closet"...a toilet. It also has a historical context in broadcasting: When Jack Paar was hosting The Tonight Show, and was battling NBC censors over his choice of material, one night he told a double-entendre-laden joke about a WC. The joke was cut from the show without his knowledge or permission, and the next night he walked off the show. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From gspatola@wavecable.com Wed Jan 25 22:40:29 2006 From: gspatola@wavecable.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:40:29 -0800 Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th References: <003301c61f90$325cebe0$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <001a01c6222a$40bae9c0$60357118@wavecable.com> Outside of New England, nobody has ever heard of Candelpin Bowling. I tried describing the game and its rules to some friends here in Seattle, and they thought I was making it up! Glenn Spatola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Candlepin Bowling Returns To Boston Over the Air TV March 4th > WLVI (Channel 56) has announced that "Candlepins For Dollars" will > premiere on Saturday March 4th at 6 PM. The weekly hour show will also > repeat the Saturday episode on Sunday at 2 PM. Channel 56 weeknight news > anchor Frank Mallicoat and WZID (95.7 Manchester NH) morning show host Mike > Morin will be the hosts. > > Here is a link to the "Candlepins For Dollars" website containing the > Channel 56 press release announcing the upcoming show: > http://candlepindollars.com/id17.html > > Mark Watson > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 26 00:49:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:49:29 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060125123329.02154008@fybush.com> References: <17367.45982.672049.424068@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <43D81C99.32128.9A63A6@localhost> On 25 Jan 2006 at 12:36, Scott Fybush wrote: > I'm partial to "Overmyer Network" as a name for the new entity, > myself... But "United Network" was the name by the time Daniel Overmyer's short- lived network actually got on the air. I prefer "DuMont Television Network" myself. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 26 00:49:28 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:49:28 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <013801c62222$262fff30$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <43D81C98.4541.9A612B@localhost> On 25 Jan 2006 at 21:42, Doug Drown wrote: > I assume it's that in Britain, "WC" stands for "water closet," which > is a bathroom. (There was a joke having to do with this that Jack > Paar was going to tell on The Tonight Show one night back around 1961 > or so; the NBC censors wouldn't allow it. Paar, in a snit, quit the > show and walked off the stage in mid-monologue. He returned a few > nights later after working things out with the network.) About a month later, actually. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 26 00:49:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:49:29 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060125173855.02949998@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> On 25 Jan 2006 at 17:40, Donna Halper wrote: > Yeah but when I think CW, I think Country and Western. And when I ran > the name by my journalism students today (and they are in the target > demo), they had no clue what it meant. Those who hadn't heard about > it thought it referred to "W"-- as in President Bush (see W), whereas > those who had read about it thought it was the initials of something, > but weren't sure what-- they didn't associate CBS with either the WB > or UPN. Well, what would they call it? How about UCN -- United Columbia Network? Or UWN -- United Warners Network Or WUN -- We're Number WUN! Incidentally, I noticed a statement in the Globe's coverage to the effect that "UPN38" would be re-named "WSBK-TV." Isn't that what it's always been? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 26 07:34:00 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:34:00 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> References: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> Message-ID: <43D8C1B8.6010007@shoreham.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > Well, what would they call it? How about UCN -- United Columbia > Network? > > Or UWN -- United Warners Network > > Or WUN -- We're Number WUN! > > Or, "Jack." Bill O'Neill From pete@partnercomm.com Thu Jan 26 08:48:51 2006 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:48:51 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D8D343.2080509@partnercomm.com> Rob Trovato wrote: >> "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious reasons," >> Moonves joked. >> > > > Can I be the dope that asks someone to explain what is > so obvious? > Don't feel like such a dope - the first time I saw that mentioned, I thought: "Right - don't just increment.", along the lines of WB, WC, WD.... The Water Closet thought came to me later... I will, however join the chorus of those who think CW is not brilliant. Who thinks of CBS as "Columbia Broadcasting System" anymore anyway (who isn't older than Dan Strassberg :) )? I can see the logic behind Columbia-Warner, but... I still will think of Morse code, or how similar it is to DW (Deutsche Welle). I expect the marketing folks are hot on the trail of the "real" name for this network... -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 26 09:57:13 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:57:13 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <43D8C1B8.6010007@shoreham.net> References: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> <43D8C1B8.6010007@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126095656.014c0680@fybush.com> At 07:34 AM 1/26/2006, Bill O'Neill wrote: >A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> >>Well, what would they call it? How about UCN -- United Columbia Network? >> >>Or UWN -- United Warners Network >> >>Or WUN -- We're Number WUN! >> >> >Or, "Jack." "Blink" has also been suggested by one wag of my acquaintance. (Wasn't me - honest!) s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 11:23:30 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:23:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060126162330.22808.qmail@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:13:21 -0800 Rob Trovato wrote: > > > "We couldn't call it 'the WC,' for obvious > reasons," > > Moonves joked. > > > Can I be the dope that asks someone to explain what > is > so obvious? > Don't feel bad. I didn't know what it meant either Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:05:42 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:05:42 -0500 Subject: Hannity, Harvey to WTTT 1150 Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601261205u1f8d76a2w65c836f6864cd36f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.talk1150.com Starting Feb 6, WTTT replaces Michael Medved with Sean Hannity (Medved moves to 9 pm) and they will run both of Paul Harvey's shows (News and Comment, and Rest of the Story, as we found earlier). Am guessing WTKK will expand Ingraham back to 3 hours (10 pm-1 am) and then go to John and Jeff. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 14:49:18 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:49:18 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126095656.014c0680@fybush.com> References: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> <43D8C1B8.6010007@shoreham.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126095656.014c0680@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601261149o4f56bf6dgc126b9176eac3a30@mail.gmail.com> >>Given Tribune's involvement, they could have called it "The CWT", The CWT? As in Cherry Webb and Touraine stores? :) From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 26 18:00:02 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:00:02 -0500 Subject: CW name Message-ID: <20060126230002.44C19CA09D@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Cooper" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: CW name > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) > > > The article I read said it was CBS-Warner the partners in the new network. > > I would love to be a fly on the wall of the advertising people > trying to come up with something catchy to make the acronym stick > in people's minds. > 'CW' could also stand for a carbon/tungsten alloy...I wouldn't be surprised if one exists. Why here it is now: http://freepatentsonline.com/4910091/html -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 26 18:18:16 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:18:16 -0500 Subject: CW name Message-ID: <20060126231816.C8D52E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Todd Cooper" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: CW name > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:00:02 -0500 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Todd Cooper" > > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > Subject: CW name > > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > The article I read said it was CBS-Warner the partners in the new network. > > > > I would love to be a fly on the wall of the advertising people > > trying to come up with something catchy to make the acronym stick > > in people's minds. > > > 'CW' could also stand for a carbon/tungsten alloy...I > wouldn't be surprised if one exists. Why here it is now: > Make that: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4910091.html -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 27 01:02:51 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:02:51 -0500 Subject: UPN, WB to merge (affect on 38, 56?) In-Reply-To: <43D8D343.2080509@partnercomm.com> References: <20060126021321.10264.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D9713B.8735.A7BC59@localhost> On 26 Jan 2006 at 8:48, Peter Murray wrote: > I will, however join the chorus of those who think CW is not > brilliant. Who thinks of CBS as "Columbia Broadcasting System" anymore > anyway (who isn't older than Dan Strassberg :) )? I can see the logic > behind Columbia-Warner, but... I still will think of Morse code, or > how similar it is to DW (Deutsche Welle). I expect the marketing folks > are hot on the trail of the "real" name for this network... I don't think it's "Columbia-Warner," it's "CBS-Warner." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 27 01:02:51 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:02:51 -0500 Subject: The CW In-Reply-To: <43D8C1B8.6010007@shoreham.net> References: <43D81C99.273.9A65C1@localhost> Message-ID: <43D9713B.7908.A7BB48@localhost> On 26 Jan 2006 at 7:34, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Or, "Jack." Or "Irving." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 27 08:34:00 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:34:00 -0500 Subject: WAVM on ATC? Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127083303.03ca8430@fybush.com> I'm told that a long-delayed story on WAVM's fight for survival may finally air on All Things Considered this afternoon (and may feature some quotes from yours truly.) Won't know for certain until this afternoon...but stay tuned! s From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 17:26:46 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:26:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSMN 1590 Nashua has a web site Message-ID: <20060127222646.8692.qmail@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WSMN 1590 Nashua has a web site now. http://www.wsmnradio.com John B Derry NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 28 03:23:33 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:23:33 -0500 Subject: WSMN 1590 Nashua has a web site In-Reply-To: <20060127222646.8692.qmail@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127222646.8692.qmail@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601280023m13631461h822f78b710ae6bc7@mail.gmail.com> So now I know that WSMN stands for Weather, Sports, Music, News. I thought maybe the SMN meant "Salem, Manchester, Nashua"... :) On 1/27/06, John Bolduc wrote: > WSMN 1590 Nashua has a web site now. > > http://www.wsmnradio.com > > John B > Derry NH > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 28 03:26:28 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:26:28 -0500 Subject: Andelman returns (WTKK, April) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601280026h54cf91a4sb80e3665edc09745@mail.gmail.com> The Sports Huddle--and the Hot Dog Safari--are back, courtesy of Greater Media. Boston Radio Watch reports that Eddie Andelman will be bringing the long running Sunday night show back via WTKK, most likely in April. http://www.bostonradiowatch.com From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Sun Jan 29 13:29:57 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:29:57 -0500 Subject: Andelman returns (WTKK, April) References: <1fbbbced0601280026h54cf91a4sb80e3665edc09745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c62502$020c2330$a7483518@DG07P241> Super! Eddie used to use sports as a vehhicle to have fun on the radio. Here's hoping those days return even for only one night a week. Who can forget the Un-PC Lappen's ad........I don't remember the details, but it was hilarious! Paul Nightowl Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: Andelman returns (WTKK, April) > The Sports Huddle--and the Hot Dog Safari--are back, courtesy of > Greater Media. Boston Radio Watch reports that Eddie Andelman will be > bringing the long running Sunday night show back via WTKK, most likely > in April. > > http://www.bostonradiowatch.com > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 31 12:28:37 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:28:37 -0500 Subject: WAVM feature on All Things Considered...today (maybe) Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131122749.041c5220@fybush.com> I'm now told that the ATC story on WAVM (the one with me as "expert") is tentatively scheduled for today's (Tuesday's) ATC. So tune in...unless it gets bumped again! s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 13:28:34 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:28:34 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/01/31/at_radio_deals_end_sox_may_be_in_play / "WEEI's contract with the Red Sox expires at the end of this season -- and, with it, the right to broadcast Sox games. As the Sox weigh their options for next year, they could move their games to FM, or even buy a station of their own. Sox executives say they are in renegotiations with WEEI, but that other possibilities also are on the table. "The station's program director, Jason Wolfe, said WEEI expects to reach agreement with the Sox, but declined to say how long it might take. ''We feel we're the best partner," he said. ''We have an outstanding relationship with the club. We're going to continue to talk." If the Sox go with an FM radio partner, they could incorporate more crowd noise into broadcasts, and may be able to improve sound quality. The New England Patriots made the switch to an FM station, WBCN, 11 seasons ago and haven't looked back." Sox to FM? Hint to Entercom: if the Sox are so concerned about being on FM, tell them you can run the games on WEEI _and_ simulcast them on WMKK or WAAF... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 13:29:07 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:07 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> And speaking of Sox on FM: they're already on Gloucester's WBOQ 104.9, and I believe WEEI-FM down in R.I. will run them this year... There are various stations on the Red Sox network that are on FM, including WXTK on the Cape Affiliate list is at http://weei.com/affiliates.asp By the way they do list WBOQ but they say "Beverly" (yes, that's where studios are but tech. licensed to Gloucester and their antenna is in Gloucester too, IIRC) Sox have been on FM before--remember WPLM (was that the days of the Campbell Soup--er, Sports Network? Also for a time I think WWEL 107.9 carried some games. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 14:32:16 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:32:16 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601311132h3eea5ec0n5f3439802fa5ad51@mail.gmail.com> Who knows, 'EEI could wind up with them again but picture the Sox flagship as being... WBCN 104.1, CBS: The Boston Red Sox Rock Radio Network WZLX 100.7, CBS: Classic rock, classic Sox WMKK 93.7, Entercom: Mike knows Coco, Curt, and Theo. WAAF 107.3, Entercom...who knows? WODS 103.3, CBS...who knows? (naah, they wouldn't want to dump oldies for games, but...) WTKK 96.9, Greater Media: 96.9, FM Sox. (Sorry Mr. Severin, you're pre-empted again...something that's gonna happen this year in Philadelphia anyway, as his affiliate WPHT also carries Phillies. And btw the Severin deal is just for one year. Who knows if he'll still be there come 2007) ...and who else? WSOX, er WKLB (?!?) 102.5, Greater Media. Country all day, Sox all night? From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 13:57:31 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:57:31 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn ? Message-ID: <043001c62699$457e6180$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Anyone know the whereabouts of Jay Dunn, former WBZ personality? Thanks! From francini@mac.com Tue Jan 31 14:44:59 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:44:59 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> Yes, put them on FM, so we can hear those "Yankees Suck!" chants, along with other beer-besotted obscene epithets, in high-fidelity glory. They're fine where they are. They already HAVE piped-in crowd noise -- there are microphones all over the grandstand in an arc from 1st base to 3rd. All that FM would do is allow the piped-in noise to be heard in higher fidelity. Big deal. I don't see what FM adds to Patriots broadcasts. Especially since WBCN doesn't come in so well north of the Mass. border. Frankly, I'd never seen the point of moving the Patriots to FM. Before that, they were on the 38-state blowtorch that is WBZ-AM, and back when they were "The Spirit of New England", they used to have a hammerlock on the Boston sports radio scene, with at one point the Bruins, Celtics, Patriots, and BC Football all on the same airwaves (with conflicting games moved to then-WBZ-FM 106.7). I was immensely upset when that happened. I had hoped that once Infinity and Westinghouse Broadcasting merged that surely Patriots would return to WBZ, where they belonged. They don't belong on an alternative rocker. Never have. I listen to WBCN exactly 16 time a year (more if the Pats are in the playoffs). I create my own simulcasts, as I can't stand network TV announcers; otherwise it's a 'never listen' station. Baseball and AM radio go together like mustard and relish on a hot dog. john On 31 Jan 2006, at 13:29, Bob Nelson wrote: > And speaking of Sox on FM: they're already on Gloucester's WBOQ > 104.9, and > I believe WEEI-FM down in R.I. will run them this year... > > There are various stations on the Red Sox network that are on FM, > including > WXTK on the Cape > > Affiliate list is at http://weei.com/affiliates.asp > > By the way they do list WBOQ but they say "Beverly" (yes, that's > where studios > are but tech. licensed to Gloucester and their antenna is in > Gloucester too, > IIRC) > > Sox have been on FM before--remember WPLM (was that the days of the > Campbell > Soup--er, Sports Network? Also for a time I think WWEL 107.9 > carried some games. > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Jan 31 14:56:36 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:56:36 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <17375.49396.999458.825204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I don't see what FM adds to Patriots broadcasts. Especially since > WBCN doesn't come in so well north of the Mass. border. North of the New Hampshire line you're supposed to be listening to their New Hampshire affiliates. When the 'BCN deal started, ISTR that WGIR and WHEB had the rights in southern New Hampshire. The Sox are already on a large network, which presumably would not change regardless of the putative "flagship" signal. (The audience for the Sox is much broader than the audience for the Pats; in northern Vermont when I was growing up, the broadcast coverage was as much Jets as Pats. Hockey was about equally split between Habs and Bruins, although not on the radio, and baseball mostly Sox with some Yanks. Basketball was the Cats, of course.) -GAWollman From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 14:58:04 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:58:04 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <05a801c626a0$b5abdd00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "John Francini" > They're fine where they are. They already HAVE piped-in crowd noise > -- there are microphones all over the grandstand in an arc from 1st > base to 3rd. All that FM would do is allow the piped-in noise to be > heard in higher fidelity. And Crowd noise...in Stereo! First base crowd noise in the Right Channel Third base crowds in the Left! > Frankly, I'd never seen the point of moving the Patriots to FM. Younger demos! From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 31 15:19:32 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:19:32 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131151924.042091e0@fybush.com> >I had hoped that once Infinity and Westinghouse Broadcasting merged >that surely Patriots would return to WBZ, where they belonged. They >don't belong on an alternative rocker. Never have. I listen to WBCN >exactly 16 time a year (more if the Pats are in the playoffs). I >create my own simulcasts, as I can't stand network TV announcers; >otherwise it's a 'never listen' station. The NFL's had a league-wide policy to try to get the games on FM wherever possible. They like the idea of attracting younger audiences that way, and they figure the older fans will follow the games wherever they are. And it's good business for stations like BCN - unlike baseball, hockey or basketball, it's a minimum of disruption to the weekday schedule, with lots of ad revenue on what would otherwise be fairly dead winter weekends. There are only a handful of NFL teams that still have AM flagships (the Jets are one, and the Bears, as well, I do believe.) Most of the others are on either modern rock or classic rock stations. Out here in Bills country, they're on both - Citadel simulcasts them on both classic rock WGRF 96.9 ("97 Rock") and modern rock WEDG 103.3 ("The Edge"), and Rochester gets them on classic rock WCMF (96.5). It's actually a very good mesh with CMF's audience. They do a Bills show every Monday night, and the morning show constantly has players on. s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:23:01 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:23:01 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <05a801c626a0$b5abdd00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> <05a801c626a0$b5abdd00$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0601311223v541b7728obb74e82fcf3d93a5@mail.gmail.com> Well, moving them to 93.7 would be great for me because I work in a post office facility with spotty AM reception, and the WMKK stick is a few miles away. How about both AM and FM in Boston? 850 and 93.7, maybe. And during thunderstorms (let's say the Sox are on the road but we have thunderboomers going on here), "no static, no static, no static at all...F...M! (no static at all...)" On 1/31/06, R Trovato wrote: > > From: "John Francini" > > > They're fine where they are. They already HAVE piped-in crowd noise > > -- there are microphones all over the grandstand in an arc from 1st > > base to 3rd. All that FM would do is allow the piped-in noise to be > > heard in higher fidelity. > > > And Crowd noise...in Stereo! > > First base crowd noise in the Right Channel > > Third base crowds in the Left! > > > > > Frankly, I'd never seen the point of moving the Patriots to FM. > > Younger demos! > > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jan 31 16:56:08 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:56:08 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com><3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> <17375.49396.999458.825204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003601c626b1$26aa4e00$69081f42@Mark> Garrett Wollman wrote: >When the 'BCN deal started, ISTR that WGIR and WHEB had the rights in southern New Hampshire. The past couple of seasons the Patriots affiliate in Manchester was WFEA (1370), with a format that definitely skews older: birdfeed Music of Your Life. I don't know if WHEB still carried the Pats this past season. Were any other AM Patriots affiliates on the network this past season? Mark Watson From blaine@well.com Tue Jan 31 16:30:14 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131151924.042091e0@fybush.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131151924.042091e0@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Scott Fybush wrote: > There are only a handful of NFL teams that still have AM flagships (the > Jets are one, and the Bears, as well, I do believe.) That's correct - the Bears flagship is WBBM-A on 780am. - Blaine From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 31 18:41:11 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:41:11 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43DFF597.1060506@shoreham.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > And speaking of Sox on FM: they're already on Gloucester's WBOQ 104.9, and > I believe WEEI-FM down in R.I. will run them this year... > > There are various stations on the Red Sox network that are on FM, including > WXTK on the Cape And WDEV-FM Warren, Vermont! (There are locals but 96.1's upgrade makes it just about everywhere in north and central Vt. Just another reminder that Vermont is a part of NE and mega-Sox supporters. I was spoiled being in Lowell & Dracut, with a quick (okay traffic-snarled) commute with the rest of the bridge & tunnel crowd, or commuter rail into North Station, Green Line, and ....baseball! The unsung heroes are here in the hills and dales of Vermont, many of whom will load up a van, car, or even a chartered bus and make the 4-5 hour ride to Fenway, only to motor back north to arrive at the wee hours of the morning. And those of us on the windward side of the Greens get earn the opportunity to add another hour to the trip. (Vermonters like to head north regardless of the hour, road conditions.) ..... to Spring Training..... Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vt. From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 31 18:45:19 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:45:19 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play In-Reply-To: <17375.49396.999458.825204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> <17375.49396.999458.825204@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <43DFF68F.8090604@shoreham.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > and baseball mostly Sox with some > Yanks. Basketball was the Cats, of course.) > > -GAWollman > The Yanks radio profile increased when the dominant AM in the market became an affiliate WVMT (620 Burlington). Rutland market has the Yanks on 105.3 in Killington area. Not a sterling ovation. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 31 20:59:27 2006 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:59:27 -0500 Subject: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play References: <1fbbbced0601311028x7b76b149sd165590a85776906@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0601311029s48f48271g8dde5e7a73f7cb25@mail.gmail.com> <3A8CDFAC-303A-40C0-B2FE-19D22E926DF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <002001c626d3$21fdbd70$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: "BRI" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Globe: At radio deal's end, Sox may be in play > I don't see what FM adds to Patriots broadcasts. Especially since WBCN > doesn't come in so well north of the Mass. border. > > Frankly, I'd never seen the point of moving the Patriots to FM. The Pats now have much higher profile affiliates in Maine since the switch to WBCN. They are on WBLM in the Portland market and B-98.5 in the Augusta market. It seems to me being on higher rated stations will result in more listeners for the games.