From francini@mac.com Sat Apr 1 08:52:29 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:52:29 -0500 Subject: ESPN 900 Nashua now ID'ing at top of hour as WGAM the Game In-Reply-To: <20060330011338.22658.qmail@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060330011338.22658.qmail@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's the 900 station, I think, that's changing calls. Now, of course, this wouldn't be a big deal except for the fact that on Thursday at 10:00, they used their top-of-hour commercial block to air a statement that ESPN is, apparently, unceremoniously dropping their affiliation with 900/1250. Allegedly, no reason was provided to station management. Because of that, they will be picking up Fox Sports Radio and The Sporting News Radio. This is annoying. If ESPN thinks that they're adequately covered in NH because of the Boston affiliations (890 Dedham and 1400 Lowell), they're sadly mistaken. The 1400 signal is somewhat listenable by day; at night it disappears before the Mass/NH border. The 890 signal is pretty poor until you get close to 128. And even then it's no bargain. But then again, this is the same ESPN management that has decided, against the wishes of their *own* sportscasters and journalists, to go ahead with the PR disaster that will be the "Follow Barry Bonds Around While He Breaks Ruth's & Aaron's Home Run Records" lovefest/"documentary". j At 17:13 -0800 3/29/06, John Bolduc wrote: >Heard today at 3pm. I thought I had the radio on 1590 Nashua, but it must >have been 900 Nashua. WGAM, ESPN Sports Radio, the Game. >WKBR 1250 Manchester also uses "the Game". I suspect they might be >changing calls signs?? > >I sure hope it wasn't WSMN 1590 I was on, I would hate for them to change >those calls signs! > > >John B >Derry NH -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 2 00:44:53 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:44:53 -0500 Subject: WCRB Message-ID: <442F1E85.22729.98391A@localhost> There's a great feature about the impending end of WCRB classical music in this week's TAB, with three separate articles. http://www.townonline.com/entertainment/view.bg?articleid=458341 And, BTW, I've noticed a great improvement in WCRB's signal in my office downtown. For some reason the hash that I was getting is gone, and it's coming in well now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 2 00:44:53 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:44:53 -0500 Subject: News on WKOXKS Message-ID: <442F1E85.8599.9839BB@localhost> We were having a conversation a week or so ago about the newscasts on WKOX/WXKS. I've been noticing the news headlines on the half hour lately, and they don't identify their origin. They just start with "I'm Mike McGregor and here's what's happening" and end with something like "That's the news, I'm Mike McGregor." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 2 01:29:25 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:29:25 -0500 Subject: News on WKOXKS In-Reply-To: <442F1E85.8599.9839BB@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060402012844.02bae138@pop.registeredsite.com> At 12:44 AM 4/2/2006 -0500, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >We were having a conversation a week or so ago about the newscasts on >WKOX/WXKS. I've been noticing the news headlines on the half hour >lately, and they don't identify their origin. They just start with >"I'm Mike McGregor and here's what's happening" and end with >something like "That's the news, I'm Mike McGregor." Those half hour casts are the Clear Channel newscasts. Top of the hour with a bell sounder, those are from Air America. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Apr 2 06:09:40 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:09:40 -0400 Subject: WCRB References: <442F1E85.22729.98391A@localhost> Message-ID: <014c01c6563d$8e9f5bc0$6401a8c0@pastor2> I tried to access the "WCRB Has the Last Laugh" link on the page, but couldn't. What does it say? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: WCRB > There's a great feature about the impending end of WCRB classical > music in this week's TAB, with three separate articles. > > http://www.townonline.com/entertainment/view.bg?articleid=458341 > > > And, BTW, I've noticed a great improvement in WCRB's signal in my > office downtown. For some reason the hash that I was getting is > gone, and it's coming in well now. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Apr 2 11:39:00 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: News on WKOXKS Message-ID: <200604021439.k32EdYhu028365@rolinin.bostonradio.org> I'm in Fla. right now and noticed the CC national news updates on one of the stations here. It was made to sound local but isn't. -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper Subj: Re: News on WKOXKS Date: Sun Apr 2, 2006 2:29 am Size: 498 bytes To: "A. Joseph Ross" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org At 12:44 AM 4/2/2006 -0500, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >We were having a conversation a week or so ago about the newscasts on >WKOX/WXKS. I've been noticing the news headlines on the half hour >lately, and they don't identify their origin. They just start with >"I'm Mike McGregor and here's what's happening" and end with >something like "That's the news, I'm Mike McGregor." Those half hour casts are the Clear Channel newscasts. Top of the hour with a bell sounder, those are from Air America. >From the Treo of ... Tony Schinella CEO/PD of WKXL 1450 Web: wkxl1450.com Blog: politizine.blogspot.com From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Apr 2 13:29:01 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:29:01 -0500 Subject: WCRB Message-ID: <20060402172902.0AE0986B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: Boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: WCRB > Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:44:53 -0500 > > > There's a great feature about the impending end of WCRB classical > music in this week's TAB, with three separate articles. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > The link only provided one piece of text, the others didn't work. The comment that critics of WCRB's descent into the current severely dumbed-down pseudo-classical diet espoused a dozen years ago want in its place the kind of programming that would appeal mainly to holders of PhD's in musicolgy. WRONG! With some flaws, KING-FM in Seattle, a market similar to Boston, gets a 12-and-over rating comparable or at time greater than WCRB's, this in a market with a so-called "smooth-jazz" station. KING-FM has offers a varied palette of music including 20th-Century music that sounds like it and vocal music including motets and cantatas as well as commercial recordings of opera outside of the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts which it carries at 10:30 am! From a perusal of its playlists it commits the sin of excerpts from longer works, principally during the daytime hours...in every instance there's an orchestral work of the same duration that could and should be played. But so far, they don't overplay 18th and early 19th Century music by obscure and forgotten (deservedly so) composers. If you don't know much about classical music, you wouldn't know that Tartini, Telemann and Gluck were reputable composers of that period, while Rathgeber, Pla and Pisendel among others aren't...yet the latter are frequently played on WCRB and the WCN affiliates all the time. Bad idea. The man who goes by the name "Ray Brown" either isn't aware of this or even WCRB's own history pre-Mario Mazza, or he's deliberately covering up for station "management". -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Apr 2 15:36:01 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:36:01 -0400 Subject: News on WKOXKS References: <200604021439.k32EdYhu028365@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <003d01c6568c$ad642730$6401a8c0@pastor2> WVOM, the CC station in Bangor, used to carry ABC on the hour and the CC updates at each quarter hour. That all stopped when the station became a Fox affiliate. Are there CC stations that carry nothing but CC news? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Donna Halper" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: News on WKOXKS > I'm in Fla. right now and noticed the CC national news updates on one of the stations here. It was made to sound local but isn't. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna Halper > Subj: Re: News on WKOXKS > Date: Sun Apr 2, 2006 2:29 am > Size: 498 bytes > To: "A. Joseph Ross" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > At 12:44 AM 4/2/2006 -0500, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >We were having a conversation a week or so ago about the newscasts on > >WKOX/WXKS. I've been noticing the news headlines on the half hour > >lately, and they don't identify their origin. They just start with > >"I'm Mike McGregor and here's what's happening" and end with > >something like "That's the news, I'm Mike McGregor." > > Those half hour casts are the Clear Channel newscasts. Top of the hour > with a bell sounder, those are from Air America. > > > > > >From the Treo of ... > > Tony Schinella > CEO/PD of WKXL 1450 > Web: wkxl1450.com > Blog: politizine.blogspot.com > From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 09:03:33 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering Message-ID: <20060405130333.65766.qmail@web36912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've heard in the past that members of Clear Channel Boston engineering are also members of this list - this is a note for you folks as well as everyone else if you have any feedback/comments. I was listening to Kiss 108's internet stream the past couple days, and I've noticed soemthing a bit annoying. I'm assuming, like just about every other CHR station in the country, that Kiss pitches up all of their music. This is all well and good; however, when you cover the local commercial breaks on the stream with other music, you should really put music up there thats pitched up as well - it sounds very strange to be listening to pitched up music then suddenly something thats played at normal speed, which of course sounds like its too slow after hearing everything else. I've also noticed this same issue in several other CC markets on their audio streams as well, but it jumps out to me the worst on a CHR like Kiss. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 09:35:50 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <20060405130333.65766.qmail@web36912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060405133550.40823.qmail@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Kiss 108's internet stream the past couple days, and > I've noticed soemthing a bit annoying. I'm > assuming, > like just about every other CHR station in the > country, that Kiss pitches up all of their music. Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but that was a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up their music. Am I right on this? Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From radiotest@cox.net Wed Apr 5 09:52:42 2006 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:52:42 -0400 Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <20060405133550.40823.qmail@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060405130333.65766.qmail@web36912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060405133550.40823.qmail@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060405095110.021f30c0@cox.net> At 09:35 AM 4/5/2006, Cooper Fox wrote: >I may be completely off on this, but that was >a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd >find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up >their music. > >Am I right on this? Many CHRs pitch up their music to this day. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 13:35:35 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <20060405133550.40823.qmail@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060405173535.66627.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:35:50 Cooper Fox wrote: > Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but that > was > a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd > find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up > their music. > > Am I right on this? Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this practice is very much commonplace today. In fact, its not just restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, straight up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more do this. My former employer, WBEE-FM in Rochester NY, AFAIK still does this. All of their music is sped up 3 percent (as high as the Denon CD Cart Players in the studio can go), and they've been doing this for several years now. Also, when I interviewed there back in late 2000, Froggy 101 (WGGY) in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre PA pitched all their music up 1.5 percent, and I have no reason whatsoever to believe they've since stopped. Those are the two examples where I know for certain this is happening, there are countless others where I can tell it is happening, but don't have inside knowledge. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 14:04:07 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <20060405173535.66627.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060405180407.76559.qmail@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this > practice > is very much commonplace today. In fact, its not > just > restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, > straight > up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more do > this. My former employer, WBEE-FM in Rochester NY, > AFAIK still does this. All of their music is sped > up > 3 percent (as high as the Denon CD Cart Players in > the > studio can go), and they've been doing this for Well, I guess I stand corrected.... Ya learn something new everyday. Now, where/when did pitching songs up start? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Apr 5 14:58:20 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:58:20 -0400 Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering Message-ID: <200604051458.AA445579320@mail.ttlc.net> >> Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but that >> was >> a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd >> find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up >> their music. >> >> Am I right on this? > >Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this practice >is very much commonplace today. In fact, its not just >restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, straight >up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more do >this. Not only is it a "trick", but it's very effective. With 70's technology, (speeding up media playback) upping the the pitch slightly makes a song sound "brighter." The other side-effect is that listeners become used to a song's tempo. Listening to it at "normal" speed on another station makes it sound draggy & slow by comparison. Of course, it also makes it sound draggy & slow on one's personal music device, too. As a Mobile DJ, I noticed (back in the 70's) that home- quality turntables seemed (on the average) to play songs just "a little bit" fast, too. Of course, with today's technology, the tempo can be sped up without changing pitch and vice versa. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 5 15:18:38 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:18:38 -0400 Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering References: <200604051458.AA445579320@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <007501c658e5$d3ab1ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> But with today's technology, you don't HAVE to change the pitch when you speed up the tempo (and reduce the playing time). As with sped-up reading for the blind using a synthesizer to create the voice, the tempo need not be linked to the pitch. Simply dropping samples out of the data stream increases both pitch and tempo, but there are all-electronic methods of increasing the tempo without increasing the pitch. Increasing only the tempo is more complicated than increasing both pitch and tempo, but with today's DSP technology, the task sounds well within the state of the art. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "rogerkirk" To: "Cooper Fox" ; ; "Matthew Osborne" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: A Note for CC Boston Engineering > >> Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but that > >> was > >> a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd > >> find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up > >> their music. > >> > >> Am I right on this? > > > >Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this practice > >is very much commonplace today. In fact, its not just > >restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, straight > >up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more do > >this. > > Not only is it a "trick", but it's very effective. With > 70's technology, (speeding up media playback) upping the > the pitch slightly makes a song sound "brighter." The > other side-effect is that listeners become used to a song's > tempo. Listening to it at "normal" speed on another station > makes it sound draggy & slow by comparison. Of course, it > also makes it sound draggy & slow on one's personal music > device, too. > > As a Mobile DJ, I noticed (back in the 70's) that home- > quality turntables seemed (on the average) to play songs > just "a little bit" fast, too. Of course, with today's > technology, the tempo can be sped up without changing > pitch and vice versa. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Apr 5 16:51:46 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:51:46 -0400 Subject: Gary LaPierre To Retire Message-ID: <200604051651.AA922812676@mail.ttlc.net> On CBS4 4:00 News, it was announced that Gary LaPierre plans to retire "at the end of the year." From ehennessy@verizon.net Wed Apr 5 17:00:54 2006 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:00:54 -0400 Subject: Gary LaPierre To Retire References: <200604051651.AA922812676@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000501c658f4$08102c60$2e01a8c0@D7X21231> To pinpoint it a bit better, WBZ radio at 4 PM reported he would step down in December, though Gary hasn't decided when in December yet. He said he would like to 'do something else' but hasn't decided what that is yet, either. Ed Hennessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "rogerkirk" To: "BRI" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Gary LaPierre To Retire > On CBS4 4:00 News, it was announced that Gary LaPierre > plans to retire "at the end of the year." From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Apr 5 19:02:20 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:02:20 -0400 Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <007501c658e5$d3ab1ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <200604051458.AA445579320@mail.ttlc.net> <007501c658e5$d3ab1ec0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <521b7fd10604051602g4a4372f4ub664da9d75afa361@mail.gmail.com> I first heard about speeding up records in the early 1970's. There were rumors flying that it was done so that more commercials could be fit into the hour. The real reason was to make the competition sound slower, less bright. It was an interesting psycho-acoustic kind of thing. That is why it is still done today, I'm sure. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com On 4/5/06, Dan Strassberg wrote: > But with today's technology, you don't HAVE to change the pitch when you > speed up the tempo (and reduce the playing time). As with sped-up reading > for the blind using a synthesizer to create the voice, the tempo need not be > linked to the pitch. Simply dropping samples out of the data stream > increases both pitch and tempo, but there are all-electronic methods of > increasing the tempo without increasing the pitch. Increasing only the tempo > is more complicated than increasing both pitch and tempo, but with today's > DSP technology, the task sounds well within the state of the art. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rogerkirk" > To: "Cooper Fox" ; > ; "Matthew Osborne" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: A Note for CC Boston Engineering > > > > >> Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but that > > >> was > > >> a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe you'd > > >> find many(if any) present day Top40's that pitch up > > >> their music. > > >> > > >> Am I right on this? > > > > > >Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this practice > > >is very much commonplace today. In fact, its not just > > >restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, straight > > >up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more do > > >this. > > > > Not only is it a "trick", but it's very effective. With > > 70's technology, (speeding up media playback) upping the > > the pitch slightly makes a song sound "brighter." The > > other side-effect is that listeners become used to a song's > > tempo. Listening to it at "normal" speed on another station > > makes it sound draggy & slow by comparison. Of course, it > > also makes it sound draggy & slow on one's personal music > > device, too. > > > > As a Mobile DJ, I noticed (back in the 70's) that home- > > quality turntables seemed (on the average) to play songs > > just "a little bit" fast, too. Of course, with today's > > technology, the tempo can be sped up without changing > > pitch and vice versa. > > > > -- -RK From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 21:58:22 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10604051602g4a4372f4ub664da9d75afa361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060406015822.17188.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:02:20 Rick Kelly wrote: > I first heard about speeding up records in the early > 1970's. > The real reason was to make the > competition sound > slower, less bright. Exactimundo. The story I heard about WBEE is that pitching up their music was started by a former program director, Bob Barnett. When he took over the station, it was about 2 years old (prior to that it was Top 40) and not doing so hot ratingswise (it was getting handily beaten by an AM country station in town with a highly directional signal). He implemented a couple key things that the station still sticks to today - a very contemporary country playlist (essentially a country form of CHR) and he sped all the music up 3 percent to make the station sound more upbeat and "hip" than the competiton. His changes worked too - soon after implementing these and a few other things, they shot to #1, and ever since they have consistently been either the #1 or #2 rated station in town 12+ and in adults 25-54. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 05:48:34 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 02:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10604051602g4a4372f4ub664da9d75afa361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060406094834.96374.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> how much of an up pitch are we talking? 2%? 5%? --- Rick Kelly wrote: > I first heard about speeding up records in the early > 1970's. There > were rumors flying that it was done so that more > commercials could be > fit into the hour. The real reason was to make the > competition sound > slower, less bright. It was an interesting > psycho-acoustic kind of > thing. That is why it is still done today, I'm > sure. > > Rick Kelly > www.northeastairchecks.com > > > On 4/5/06, Dan Strassberg > wrote: > > But with today's technology, you don't HAVE to > change the pitch when you > > speed up the tempo (and reduce the playing time). > As with sped-up reading > > for the blind using a synthesizer to create the > voice, the tempo need not be > > linked to the pitch. Simply dropping samples out > of the data stream > > increases both pitch and tempo, but there are > all-electronic methods of > > increasing the tempo without increasing the pitch. > Increasing only the tempo > > is more complicated than increasing both pitch and > tempo, but with today's > > DSP technology, the task sounds well within the > state of the art. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rogerkirk" > > To: "Cooper Fox" ; > > ; > "Matthew Osborne" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: A Note for CC Boston Engineering > > > > > > > >> Ahem... I may be completely off on this, but > that > > > >> was > > > >> a trick in the 60s and 70s. I don't believe > you'd > > > >> find many(if any) present day Top40's that > pitch up > > > >> their music. > > > >> > > > >> Am I right on this? > > > > > > > >Actually Cooper, I know for a fact that this > practice > > > >is very much commonplace today. In fact, its > not just > > > >restricted to CHRs either - a lot of Hot ACs, > straight > > > >up ACs, country stations, and quite likely more > do > > > >this. > > > > > > Not only is it a "trick", but it's very > effective. With > > > 70's technology, (speeding up media playback) > upping the > > > the pitch slightly makes a song sound > "brighter." The > > > other side-effect is that listeners become used > to a song's > > > tempo. Listening to it at "normal" speed on > another station > > > makes it sound draggy & slow by comparison. Of > course, it > > > also makes it sound draggy & slow on one's > personal music > > > device, too. > > > > > > As a Mobile DJ, I noticed (back in the 70's) > that home- > > > quality turntables seemed (on the average) to > play songs > > > just "a little bit" fast, too. Of course, with > today's > > > technology, the tempo can be sped up without > changing > > > pitch and vice versa. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -RK > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From radiotest@cox.net Thu Apr 6 07:12:56 2006 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:12:56 -0400 Subject: A Note for CC Boston Engineering In-Reply-To: <20060406094834.96374.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <521b7fd10604051602g4a4372f4ub664da9d75afa361@mail.gmail.com> <20060406094834.96374.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060406070750.021b71e0@cox.net> At 05:48 AM 4/6/2006, Cooper Fox wrote: >how much of an up pitch are we talking? 2%? 5%? 2% is pretty common. The first station that pitched songs where I was CE was pitching them 2% using the Denon DN-950FA players. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Apr 7 17:52:38 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal Message-ID: <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Boston Globe business columnist Steve Baily periodically writes a column called "Boston Sampler". Today's (04/07) column (second items) reports on a proposal by Greater Media's Peter Smyth to LMA a classical music format on non-comm WERS 88.9 Boston after WCRB goes bye-bye. Emerson College turns down the prospective TEN-MILLION DOLLAR offer! Yikes...WCRB as a standalone grossed (and I do mean 'gross') only $8.5 mill. Boston Globe article recede into the archive never-neverland, but some columns linger longer. It may still be at: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/04/07/boston_sampler/ -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Fri Apr 7 19:14:51 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:14:51 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000801c65a99$1278a370$a7483518@DG07P241> Why shouldn't they turn down a proposal to go format and good for them! WERS is Emerson Radio - a college station at its best developing potential DJ's playing their forte - which is lost on radio now. Their variety of music is so refreshing. Cheers to Emerson! Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > Boston Globe business columnist Steve Baily periodically > writes a column called "Boston Sampler". Today's (04/07) > column (second items) reports on a proposal by Greater > Media's Peter Smyth to LMA a classical music format on > non-comm WERS 88.9 Boston after WCRB goes bye-bye. Emerson > College turns down the prospective TEN-MILLION DOLLAR offer! > Yikes...WCRB as a standalone grossed (and I do mean 'gross') > only $8.5 mill. Boston Globe article recede into the archive never-neverland, > but some columns linger longer. It may still be at: > > http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/04/07/boston_sampler/ > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 7 23:44:20 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:44:20 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4436F954.9156.790223@localhost> On 7 Apr 2006 at 16:52, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Boston Globe business columnist Steve Baily periodically > writes a column called "Boston Sampler". Today's (04/07) > column (second items) reports on a proposal by Greater > Media's Peter Smyth to LMA a classical music format on > non-comm WERS 88.9 Boston after WCRB goes bye-bye. Emerson > College turns down the prospective TEN-MILLION DOLLAR offer! > Yikes...WCRB as a standalone grossed (and I do mean 'gross') > only $8.5 mill. Boston Globe article recede into the archive > never-neverland, but some columns linger longer. It may still be at: Interesting that Greater Media is looking to spend money on an alternative classical music outlet. I wonder whether they're feeling some public pressure. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rickkelly@gmail.com Sat Apr 8 11:19:44 2006 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:19:44 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <4436F954.9156.790223@localhost> References: <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> <4436F954.9156.790223@localhost> Message-ID: <521b7fd10604080819t2f5b722hb93557804ed89afe@mail.gmail.com> On 4/7/06, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Interesting that Greater Media is looking to spend money on an > alternative classical music outlet. I wonder whether they're feeling > some public pressure. I wonder... could Greater Media have run WERS as a COMMERCIAL classical music outlet? The classical format has been profitable on WCRB, after all... -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Sat Apr 8 11:40:34 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:40:34 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:52:38 CDT." <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> >Boston Globe business columnist Steve Baily periodically >writes a column called "Boston Sampler". Today's (04/07) >column (second items) reports on a proposal by Greater >Media's Peter Smyth to LMA a classical music format on >non-comm WERS 88.9 Boston after WCRB goes bye-bye. Emerson >College turns down the prospective TEN-MILLION DOLLAR offer! [...] WERS is an integral part of Emerson's academic program, to a greater degree than that of any other college station in the area. For Emerson to LMA away WERS would take away an important academic resource (not just an extracurricular one) from Emerson students. I'm not at all surprised that Emerson turned it down. If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the offer in the first place. Granted, WERS has the strongest signal of any of the college-hosted non-comms (excepting WBUR, which really doesn't count); maybe that was a key motivating factor. Or the fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel that he had an edge with his fellow board members. One wonders if Greater Media might approach any of the other colleges in the area that have stations. Some of their boards might be more receptive to such an offer. (I wouldn't be, though... ;-) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From mamros@MIT.EDU Sat Apr 8 11:44:17 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:44:17 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:19:44 EDT." <521b7fd10604080819t2f5b722hb93557804ed89afe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604081544.k38FiHpl021000@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> >I wonder... could Greater Media have run WERS as a COMMERCIAL >classical music outlet? The classical format has been profitable on >WCRB, after all... Not without a major exception or change to existing FCC rules. WERS, at 88.9 MHz, lies squarely in the portion of the FM band (87.9-91.9 MHz) solely reserved for non-commercial use. They could use underwriting to bring in some revenue, though. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From ssmyth@suscom.net Sat Apr 8 11:49:35 2006 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:49:35 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:40:34 -0400 Shawn Mamros wrote: >One wonders if Greater Media might approach any of the other >colleges >in the area that have stations. Some of their boards might be >more >receptive to such an offer. (I wouldn't be, though... ;-) Seems like Mr. Smyth (no relation to me, I may add) approached WERS since he's on the Emerson board. One the one hand, I can understand the frustration of classical music lovers who are disappointed with WCRB's demise. But classical music fans are often at the higher end of the income scale, and they are more likely to have access to an audio stream or satellite radio to fill their classical needs. I still have a gut feeling (don't know why) that commercial classical won't totally disappear from the Boston dial. Not saying this will happen ... but I could see an Ed Perry-type melding WATD-style community programming and classical music. Of course, the station wouldn't be a full-time, full-market classical signal. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 11:49:55 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:49:55 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: <142d01c65b24$369f5600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > If anything, > I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the > offer in the first place. Or the > fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel > that he had an edge with his fellow board members. The real question..... What's the benefit to Gr Media in LMA-ing a non-comm clasical station? What could/could they possibly get out of it? Besides some good will? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Apr 8 14:58:54 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:58:54 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: <443807ED.10509@cssinc.com> Shawn Mamros wrote: >>Boston Globe business columnist Steve Baily periodically >>writes a column called "Boston Sampler". Today's (04/07) >>column (second items) reports on a proposal by Greater >>Media's Peter Smyth to LMA a classical music format on >>non-comm WERS 88.9 Boston after WCRB goes bye-bye. Emerson >>College turns down the prospective TEN-MILLION DOLLAR offer! [...] >> >> > >WERS is an integral part of Emerson's academic program, to a greater >degree than that of any other college station in the area. For >Emerson to LMA away WERS would take away an important academic >resource (not just an extracurricular one) from Emerson students. > >I'm not at all surprised that Emerson turned it down. If anything, >I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the >offer in the first place. Granted, WERS has the strongest signal >of any of the college-hosted non-comms (excepting WBUR, which really >doesn't count); maybe that was a key motivating factor. Or the >fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel >that he had an edge with his fellow board members. > >One wonders if Greater Media might approach any of the other colleges >in the area that have stations. Some of their boards might be more >receptive to such an offer. (I wouldn't be, though... ;-) > >-Shawn Mamros >E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu > > Gee, they approached WERS with $10M. I'll bet that they could approach WMWM with $49.95 and a couple of CD's... -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Apr 8 15:04:00 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:04:00 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <142d01c65b24$369f5600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> <142d01c65b24$369f5600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <44380920.7040109@cssinc.com> R Trovato wrote: >>If anything, >>I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the >>offer in the first place. Or the >>fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel >>that he had an edge with his fellow board members. >> >> > >The real question..... > >What's the benefit to Gr Media in LMA-ing a non-comm clasical station? > >What could/could they possibly get out of it? > >Besides some good will? > > Just a speculation - perhaps its a way of squelching defenders of the Trust? How about flipping chronic underperformer WBOS to classical. Wasn't it classical a zillion years ago? Anyone know the revenues of WBOS vs WCRB? What about footprints? -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Apr 8 15:22:03 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:22:03 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal Message-ID: <20060408192203.84DC1E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "R Trovato" > Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:04:00 -0400 > > > R Trovato wrote: > > >> If anything, > >> I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the > >> offer in the first place. Or the > >> fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel > >> that he had an edge with his fellow board members. > >> > >> > > > > The real question..... > > > > What's the benefit to Gr Media in LMA-ing a non-comm clasical station? > > > > What could/could they possibly get out of it? > > > > Besides some good will? > > > > > Just a speculation - perhaps its a way of squelching defenders of the Trust? > > How about flipping chronic underperformer WBOS to classical. > Wasn't it classical a zillion years ago? Anyone know the revenues > of WBOS vs WCRB? What about footprints? > > -- Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > Sales: (800)231-8849 > Office: (978)538-7575 > Fax: (978)538-7550 > www.cssinc.com To the best of my knowledge, WBOS-FM has NEVER been classical at any point from its sign-on as an adjunct to WUNR-AM 1600 and broadcasting with 15,000 watts on one of the 1600 am sticks. (that 15k on FM must have done a job on FM reception in those days and maybe even television reception...the FM antenna they used was probably just above roof-level of Oak Hill Park housing). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Apr 8 17:47:49 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:47:49 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060408192203.84DC1E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I could have read too hastily, but I thought I read that Smyth was offering Emerson $10 million PER YEAR to LMA WERS. Now if that's what I really read and that's what he offered the college, he's really got some 'splainin' to do. WCRB's revenues in 2004 were reported to be only about $8 million (maybe $8.5). Especially if he got the students involved, WERS could be run for a fraction of what it had cost to run WCRB. And he certainly could bring in some decent revenues from underwriting on WERS. But he was still proposing to take more than $5 million per year out of GM's pockets to make its $100 million investment in WCRB work out. What are the chances that he could find a format for 102.5 that would yield more than $5 million/year in net profit? How many of GM's Boston stations net more than $5 million/year? WMJX almost certainly does. I'd be surprised if WBOS and WTKK do. I suspect that if 99.5 and 105.7 each net $5 million per year, GM is quite happy with their performance. It seems to me that Smyth would have proposed a $10 million per year lease of a non-commercial station only if the deal for WCRB had been in jeopardy--most likely from somebody challenging the arrangements for breaking Ted Jones's trust. Then there's the issue of the acquisition putting GM at least temporarily over the ownership cap. I'm beginning to think we shouldn't view this sale as a done deal until the FCC has approved it and the ink is dry on all of the papers that govern the transfer of control. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Brian Vita" ; "R Trovato" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Vita" > > To: "R Trovato" > > Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > > Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:04:00 -0400 > > > > > > R Trovato wrote: > > > > >> If anything, > > >> I'm somewhat surprised that Greater Media approached them with the > > >> offer in the first place. Or the > > >> fact that Smyth is on Emerson's Board of Trustees made him feel > > >> that he had an edge with his fellow board members. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > The real question..... > > > > > > What's the benefit to Gr Media in LMA-ing a non-comm clasical station? > > > > > > What could/could they possibly get out of it? > > > > > > Besides some good will? > > > > > > > > Just a speculation - perhaps its a way of squelching defenders of the Trust? > > > > How about flipping chronic underperformer WBOS to classical. > > Wasn't it classical a zillion years ago? Anyone know the revenues > > of WBOS vs WCRB? What about footprints? > > > > -- Brian T. Vita, President > > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > > Sales: (800)231-8849 > > Office: (978)538-7575 > > Fax: (978)538-7550 > > www.cssinc.com > > To the best of my knowledge, WBOS-FM has NEVER been classical at > any point from its sign-on as an adjunct to WUNR-AM 1600 > and broadcasting with 15,000 watts on one of the 1600 am sticks. > (that 15k on FM must have done a job on FM reception in those days > and maybe even television reception...the FM antenna they used was > probably just above roof-level of Oak Hill Park housing). > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 9 01:27:01 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:01 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <200604081540.k38FeYxF020664@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:52:38 CDT." <20060407215238.5F592CA0B5@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <443862E5.16715.66F175@localhost> On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:40, Shawn Mamros wrote: > WERS is an integral part of Emerson's academic program, to a greater > degree than that of any other college station in the area. For > Emerson to LMA away WERS would take away an important academic > resource (not just an extracurricular one) from Emerson students. Then again, once upon a time, WBUR was similarly part of the academic program of the School of Public Communications at Boston University. Things change when a Board of Trustees sees dollar signs. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 9 01:27:01 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:01 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <142d01c65b24$369f5600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <443862E5.27245.66F2CF@localhost> On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:49, R Trovato wrote: > What's the benefit to Gr Media in LMA-ing a non-comm clasical station? > > What could/could they possibly get out of it? I still suspect that the Ted Jones trust can't be dismissed so lightly, and that's the motivation behind these things. I wish I could examine the trust document and see just what it says. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 9 01:27:01 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:01 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> On 8 Apr 2006 at 17:47, Dan Strassberg wrote: > But he was still proposing to take more than $5 > million per year out of GM's pockets to make its $100 million > investment in WCRB work out. What are the chances that he could find a > format for 102.5 that would yield more than $5 million/year in net > profit? How many of GM's Boston stations net more than $5 > million/year? WMJX almost certainly does. I'd be surprised if WBOS and > WTKK do. I suspect that if 99.5 and 105.7 each net $5 million per > year, If that's the case, and WCRB makes $8 million, why would GM want to drop the classical format? > GM is quite happy with their performance. It seems to me that > Smyth would have proposed a $10 million per year lease of a > non-commercial station only if the deal for WCRB had been in > jeopardy--most likely from somebody challenging the arrangements for > breaking Ted Jones's trust. Just what I'm thinking. That trust was set up to keep WCRB classical, and I don't think it's going to be that easy to break. What I'm wondering is who has the right to enforce the trust and what can GM do to get them to back off from doing so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 9 01:27:01 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:01 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <44380920.7040109@cssinc.com> References: <142d01c65b24$369f5600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <443862E5.21028.66F368@localhost> On 8 Apr 2006 at 15:04, Brian Vita wrote: > How about flipping chronic underperformer WBOS to classical. Wasn't > it classical a zillion years ago? Anyone know the revenues of WBOS vs > WCRB? What about footprints? It was never classical. It was an eclectic "beautiful music" station, similar to Bob Bittner's WJIB. Or, more accurately, similar to Bob Bittner's WJIB several years ago. Bob has changed the mix on his station to more vocals and more adult standards. WBOS, years ago, ran mostly pop instrumentals with occasional classics and occasional vocals. The format was called "Music Theatre," which originally began as an afternoon program on WBOS (AM) 1600, now WUNR. It consisted of approx. 15-minute segments of uninterrupted music, with 5 minutes of news on the hour, brief headlines on the half-hour, and commercials on the quarter-hour. At one point, they expanded Music Theatre on AM to most of the day and late evening, with the leased-time ethnic programs limited to 7 - 10 PM weekdays and all day Sunday. When WBOS- FM came on (February 1960, I believe), they simulcasted the AM during those times and ran Music Theatre separately while the AM did the other programs. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 9 01:27:00 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:00 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10604080819t2f5b722hb93557804ed89afe@mail.gmail.com> References: <4436F954.9156.790223@localhost> Message-ID: <443862E4.19902.66F0D2@localhost> On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:19, Rick Kelly wrote: > I wonder... could Greater Media have run WERS as a COMMERCIAL > classical music outlet? The classical format has been profitable on > WCRB, after all... Since WERS is in the noncommercial band, would that have been allowed? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Apr 9 02:31:06 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:31:06 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> Message-ID: <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just what I'm thinking. That trust was set up to keep WCRB > classical, and I don't think it's going to be that easy to break. > What I'm wondering is who has the right to enforce the trust and what > can GM do to get them to back off from doing so. That's a very interesting question. Another question might be: who are the trustees and beneficiaries? I can't answer as to beneficiaries (I've got some good guesses) but I can answer as to the former, since it's a matter of public record which must be reported every six months to the FCC. Charles River Broadcasting WCRB License Corp. is owned by CRB Media, Inc. CRB Media is 100% owned by Charles River Broadcasting Company. CRBC has outstanding 1,848 shares of voting common stock and 11,945 shares of non-voting common stock. CRBC's President, Treasurer, and Clerk, Christopher S. Jones, owns a 7.79% voting interest. CRBC vice president Dave MacNeill owns 0.27% (voting). Susan Paine, a director of CRBC, owns 6.17% (voting). Richard L. Kaye, who has no difficulty hearing WCRB at his home in Waban, owns or controls an 11.15% voting stake, but his actual interest is not stated. The Jones Trust owns 50.84% of CRBC. That leaves about 24% of the voting shares unaccounted for; none of the remaining owners are company executives or directors (that would have to be reported), so they must own individually less than 5%. The non-voting shares don't need to be reported to the FCC; I would not be surprised if the interest the BSO is supposed to have in the company were non-voting. The Jones Trust is identified in the FCC filing (BOA-20051122AAC for those of you following at home) as follows: BRADLEY R. COOK, MARY L. MARSHALL, CHRISTOPHER S. JONES, TRUSTEES, THEODORE S. JONES TRUST - 1979, 1010 WALTHAM STREET, F-13, LEXINGTON, MA 02173 This address is a unit at the "Brookhaven at Lexington" retirement community. Mr. Cook, or a person of the same name, appears to be an attorney at Taylor, Ganson & Perrin. I also see a Mary L. Marshall as a lawyer, with an individual practice in Wellesley. Believe it or not, there are lots of Christopher S. Joneses; I found at least five, none of whom were the CRB chief executive. (I have heard that this Jones, who IIRC is Ted's son, is to buy WCRI, but there's nothing in the FCC filings about that yet.) One of the other interesting people on the CRBC board, by the way, is Herb McCord, who is also on the board of Beasley Broadcast Group, the licensee of WRCA. The name should ring a bell for another reason, though: McCord was head honcho of Granum Communications, which owned WBOS and the then WOAZ (99.5 Lowell), now in Greater Media's hands by way of Infinity. According to his bio, prior to starting Granum, McCord was Group VP for radio at Greater Media. He was also once PD of WCBS-FM. -GAWollman From stevewest106@hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 09:51:36 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:51:36 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg><443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: And the $64 question is, any relation to one Charles McCord of WNBC/WFAN/ Imus in the Morning fame? IMHO, from everything I've read on the alleged WCRB transfer, I think the sale is in jeopardy and that's why the supposed ten mil offer to Emerson. You guys are probably right in thinking the trust is difficult to get out of or even stretch to the point of a digital subband.... at least while some of the stockholders are alive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > < said: > >> Just what I'm thinking. That trust was set up to keep WCRB >> classical, and I don't think it's going to be that easy to break. >> What I'm wondering is who has the right to enforce the trust and what >> can GM do to get them to back off from doing so. > > That's a very interesting question. Another question might be: who > are the trustees and beneficiaries? I can't answer as to > beneficiaries (I've got some good guesses) but I can answer as to the > former, since it's a matter of public record which must be reported > every six months to the FCC. > > Charles River Broadcasting WCRB License Corp. is owned by CRB Media, > Inc. CRB Media is 100% owned by Charles River Broadcasting Company. > CRBC has outstanding 1,848 shares of voting common stock and 11,945 > shares of non-voting common stock. CRBC's President, Treasurer, and > Clerk, Christopher S. Jones, owns a 7.79% voting interest. CRBC vice > president Dave MacNeill owns 0.27% (voting). Susan Paine, a director > of CRBC, owns 6.17% (voting). Richard L. Kaye, who has no difficulty > hearing WCRB at his home in Waban, owns or controls an 11.15% voting > stake, but his actual interest is not stated. > > The Jones Trust owns 50.84% of CRBC. That leaves about 24% of the > voting shares unaccounted for; none of the remaining owners are > company executives or directors (that would have to be reported), so > they must own individually less than 5%. The non-voting shares don't > need to be reported to the FCC; I would not be surprised if the > interest the BSO is supposed to have in the company were non-voting. > > The Jones Trust is identified in the FCC filing (BOA-20051122AAC for > those of you following at home) as follows: > > BRADLEY R. COOK, MARY L. MARSHALL, CHRISTOPHER S. JONES, TRUSTEES, > THEODORE S. JONES TRUST - 1979, 1010 WALTHAM STREET, F-13, LEXINGTON, > MA 02173 > > This address is a unit at the "Brookhaven at Lexington" retirement > community. Mr. Cook, or a person of the same name, appears to be an > attorney at Taylor, Ganson & Perrin. I also see a Mary L. Marshall as > a lawyer, with an individual practice in Wellesley. Believe it or > not, there are lots of Christopher S. Joneses; I found at least five, > none of whom were the CRB chief executive. (I have heard that this > Jones, who IIRC is Ted's son, is to buy WCRI, but there's nothing in > the FCC filings about that yet.) > > One of the other interesting people on the CRBC board, by the way, is > Herb McCord, who is also on the board of Beasley Broadcast Group, the > licensee of WRCA. The name should ring a bell for another reason, > though: McCord was head honcho of Granum Communications, which owned > WBOS and the then WOAZ (99.5 Lowell), now in Greater Media's hands by > way of Infinity. According to his bio, prior to starting Granum, > McCord was Group VP for radio at Greater Media. He was also once PD > of WCBS-FM. > > -GAWollman > > From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 11:03:49 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:03:49 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060408192203.84DC1E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2e4801c65be8$39869760$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> To: "Brian Vita" > > To the best of my knowledge, WBOS-FM has NEVER been classical at > any point from its sign-on as an adjunct to WUNR-AM 1600 > and broadcasting with 15,000 watts on one of the 1600 am sticks. Wasn't WBOS once the calls of Westinghouse's shortwave station? From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 11:07:11 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:07:11 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg><443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost><17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <2e4901c65be8$39afca40$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Steve West" > And the $64 question is, any relation to one Charles McCord of WNBC/WFAN/ > Imus in the Morning fame? Herb McCord is former GM at CKLW and WCBS-FM. I don't believe he is any relation to the McCord on the Imus show. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Apr 9 12:07:59 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:07:59 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060408192203.84DC1E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <2e4801c65be8$39869760$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <027801c65bef$c6563e50$6401a8c0@pastor2> Wasn't WBOS once the calls of Westinghouse's shortwave station? Indeed it was. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Trovato" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > > To: "Brian Vita" > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, WBOS-FM has NEVER been classical at > > any point from its sign-on as an adjunct to WUNR-AM 1600 > > and broadcasting with 15,000 watts on one of the 1600 am sticks. > > Wasn't WBOS once the calls of Westinghouse's shortwave station? > > From mamros@MIT.EDU Sun Apr 9 13:23:54 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:23:54 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:01 EDT." <443862E5.16715.66F175@localhost> Message-ID: <200604091723.k39HNs7D028788@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> >Then again, once upon a time, WBUR was similarly part of the academic >program of the School of Public Communications at Boston University. >Things change when a Board of Trustees sees dollar signs. The story I'd always heard w.r.t. WBUR was that John Silber took an extreme disliking to his students' programming direction in the late 1960s, so he gave them the boot and brought in a paid staff. Is there anyone on this list who can either confirm or refute that? -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From scott@fybush.com Sun Apr 9 13:59:24 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:59:24 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <44394B7C.40605@fybush.com> > One of the other interesting people on the CRBC board, by the way, is > Herb McCord, who is also on the board of Beasley Broadcast Group, the > licensee of WRCA. The name should ring a bell for another reason, > though: McCord was head honcho of Granum Communications, which owned > WBOS and the then WOAZ (99.5 Lowell), now in Greater Media's hands by > way of Infinity. According to his bio, prior to starting Granum, > McCord was Group VP for radio at Greater Media. He was also once PD > of WCBS-FM. McCord was brought on to the board a year or so ago, IIRC, for the specific purpose of preparing the stations to be sold. I wonder when he was PD of WCBS-FM? The station is renowned for having had only two PDs during its 1972-2005 oldies tenure, neither of whom was McCord, so he must have been there during its struggling pre-1972 era. s From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 15:36:58 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:36:58 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost><17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <44394B7C.40605@fybush.com> Message-ID: <2e5901c65c0c$fb41e340$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I wonder when he was PD of WCBS-FM? I believe he was the GM of WCBS-FM....not the PD. I believe when he was made GM....CBS-FM still had some sort of album rock format. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 16:14:37 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:14:37 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg><443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost><17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002b01c65c12$4997f520$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Steve West" > IMHO, from everything I've read on the alleged WCRB transfer, I think the > sale is in jeopardy and that's why the supposed ten mil offer to Emerson. > You guys are probably right in thinking the trust is difficult to get out of > or even stretch to the point of a digital subband.... at least while some of > the stockholders are alive. Aren't the stockholders the ones who are deciding to sell it? I would think our resident list attorney would be able to shed some light on how trusts can be upheld. I am thinking of the recent decision by the owners of 104.9 to flip the flromat from the intent of the sale agreement with SImon Geller. (BTW...Do you think anyone at 104.9 is sorry the pulled the plug on classical? If they had onbly waited, they would have the format to themselves.) From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Apr 9 17:32:03 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:32:03 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <002b01c65c12$4997f520$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <002b01c65c12$4997f520$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17465.32083.169368.485033@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Aren't the stockholders the ones who are deciding to sell it? Trusts of this sort don't have stockholders. They have trustees, who are the people responsible for managing the trust's affairs, and they have beneficiaries, who are the people who are entitled receive the trust's assets when it is dissolved. The trustees have an obligation to manage the trust for the benefit of the beneficiaries, but the exact purpose of the trust, and circumstances in which it may be dissolved, are set out in the legal documents which created it. Every situation is different. Trusts have limited lifetimes; often they are linked to some life event for a descendant of the grantor. If you own shares in a Fidelity mutual fund, you're dealing with a trust which will expire upon the death of either Abigail Johnson or her father, Ned, should she predecease him. My understanding was that the Jones Trust was set to expire in 99 years (starting, it appears, in 1979, so that would be 2078), or if the classical format were to become uneconomical to operate. Only a look at the original documents can provide the exact answers. Many family-owned companies are structured this way as a means of estate planning. Given when it was created, I think the Declaration of Trust should be in the FCC's files as a matter of public record. However, the FCC's electronic files only go back a few years, so one would have to visit The Portals in person and examine the microfiche for the official record from when the ownership of the station was restructured. It's possible that a copy may be in the station's Public Inspection File. -GAWollman From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Apr 9 20:24:38 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:24:38 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <002b01c65c12$4997f520$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <17465.32083.169368.485033@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <028c01c65c35$27b89c70$6401a8c0@pastor2> "My understanding was that the Jones Trust was set to expire in 99 years (starting, it appears, in 1979, so that would be 2078), or if the classical format were to become uneconomical to operate." If that's true, then as far as I can see (granted, I'm a layman), there's no way this sale can go through. WCRB is turning a healthy profit, is it not? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "R Trovato" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > < said: > > > Aren't the stockholders the ones who are deciding to sell it? > > Trusts of this sort don't have stockholders. They have trustees, who > are the people responsible for managing the trust's affairs, and they > have beneficiaries, who are the people who are entitled receive the > trust's assets when it is dissolved. The trustees have an obligation > to manage the trust for the benefit of the beneficiaries, but the > exact purpose of the trust, and circumstances in which it may be > dissolved, are set out in the legal documents which created it. Every > situation is different. > > Trusts have limited lifetimes; often they are linked to some life > event for a descendant of the grantor. If you own shares in a > Fidelity mutual fund, you're dealing with a trust which will expire > upon the death of either Abigail Johnson or her father, Ned, should > she predecease him. My understanding was that the Jones Trust was set > to expire in 99 years (starting, it appears, in 1979, so that would be > 2078), or if the classical format were to become uneconomical to > operate. Only a look at the original documents can provide the exact > answers. Many family-owned companies are structured this way as a > means of estate planning. > > Given when it was created, I think the Declaration of Trust should be > in the FCC's files as a matter of public record. However, the FCC's > electronic files only go back a few years, so one would have to visit > The Portals in person and examine the microfiche for the official > record from when the ownership of the station was restructured. It's > possible that a copy may be in the station's Public Inspection File. > > -GAWollman > > From ssmyth@suscom.net Sun Apr 9 21:39:46 2006 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:39:46 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <028c01c65c35$27b89c70$6401a8c0@pastor2> References: <001201c65b56$1a09c200$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <443862E5.32517.66F40D@localhost> <17464.43562.107900.349451@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <002b01c65c12$4997f520$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <17465.32083.169368.485033@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <028c01c65c35$27b89c70$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:24:38 -0400 "Doug Drown" wrote: >"My understanding was that the Jones Trust was set >to expire in 99 years (starting, it appears, in 1979, so that >would be >2078), or if the classical format were to become uneconomical >to operate." > >If that's true, then as far as I can see (granted, I'm a >layman), there's no >way this sale can go through. WCRB is turning a healthy >profit, is it not? Like Garrett said, the beneficiaries aren't precisely known to us. I'm thinking some court-house document hunting could solve that problem, if someone were so inclined. A few years back, The Milton Hershey Trust floated the idea of selling Hershey Foods, of which it owns a majority share. The argument was that the trustees were looking out for the long-term health of the beneficiary of the trust, Milton Hershey School. Well, the trustees were tarred and feathered by the school alumni and a good deal of them resigned. I would think that if there were a similiar type of beneficiary in the case of the Jones Trust, that we would've heard about it by now -- especially since WCRB is, apparently, a profitable operation. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Mon Apr 10 21:36:17 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <028c01c65c35$27b89c70$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Doug Drown wrote: > "My understanding was that the Jones Trust was set > to expire in 99 years (starting, it appears, in > 1979, so that would be > 2078), or if the classical format were to become > uneconomical to operate." > > If that's true, then as far as I can see (granted, > I'm a layman), there's no > way this sale can go through. WCRB is turning a > healthy profit, is it not? My own speculation is that it's not just 'profit' that holds the format in place....it's the financial benefit to the benificiaries. (Or uneconomical to the beneficiaries.) After talking to a few people, Here's what I am finding. There are many small stockholders who own a peice of this 100 million dollar pie.....who see almost nothing year to year. If the profit is, say, 1 Million dollars. And you as a small owner own .027 of the stock, you might see $27,000 a year. However, with a sale price of 100 Million, they might see 2 million. Which would you rather have $27k for the next 99 years....and then a big payout...when you won't be around to enjoy it? Or 2 Million now? (PS: I'm doing the math in my head quickly. But my understanding is that some of the smaller owners are pushing this...because they have never see any real money from their ownership. That's what I hear.) Also, I believe that the legal advice the board has gotten, is that they simply have to require that the new owners carry Classical music on one of their multicast streams. Because in a literal reading....."WCRB will indeed continue to play classical music." (albeit on one of their HD channels.) Remember, the trust was written when multicasting was not on the radar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From francini@mac.com Mon Apr 10 23:30:08 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:30:08 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >Also, I believe that the legal advice the board has >gotten, is that they simply have to require that the >new owners carry Classical music on one of their >multicast streams. > >Because in a literal reading....."WCRB will indeed >continue to play classical music." (albeit on one of >their HD channels.) No, but even at the time that was written I'm sure the _implied_ meaning was for it to play classical music on the *primary signal*. WCRB has run a business of playing other formats (including background music) on their SCA channel for quite some number of years, well back into the 1970s. (I remember working at an Osco Drug-Turnstyle department store in Quincy in the mid-to-late '70s whose in-store PA music was fed from a "WCRB Sound Systems" box.) I would think that if this takeover had happened back then, the idea of putting the classical music on the SCA channel would be as much of a non-starter as putting it on a digital (but not necessarily HD) channel is [to me] today. "Original intent" might make for an interesting line of argument in court. John Francini -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 11 00:55:35 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:55:35 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal Message-ID: <443AFE87.14429.F76C68@localhost> On 9 Apr 2006 at 16:14, R Trovato wrote: > Aren't the stockholders the ones who are deciding to sell it? > > I would think our resident list attorney would be able to shed some > light on how trusts can be upheld. Probably one of the beneficiaries of the trust could bring suit to enforce the terms of the trust. Exactly who the beneficiaries are and how the trust is structured, I don't know. > I am thinking of the recent decision by the owners of 104.9 to flip > the flromat from the intent of the sale agreement with SImon Geller. I haven't heard there was any trust or other legal requirement involved. The original purchaser, Woody or Doug Tanger (I forget which it was), promised Geller to keep the classical programming, and he did for some time. But without some legal document that Geller's heirs can enforce, there's nothing to be done. Not like the Ted Jones trust, which supposedly was designed to keep WCRB classical. > (BTW...Do you think anyone at 104.9 is sorry the pulled the plug on > classical? If they had onbly waited, they would have the format to > themselves.) Probably not. They still have a signal that doesn't get into Boston. In fact, I think it gets into Boston even less than it did before they increased power but installed a directional antenna aimed away from Boston. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 11 00:55:35 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:55:35 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal Message-ID: <443AFE87.19277.F76D8A@localhost> On 9 Apr 2006 at 18:08, David Allan Boucher wrote: > You would know better than I Joe, but wouldn't you assume that the > Trust (either the Trustee....or the disagreeing beneficiaries), be > the ones to challenge the actions of the trust? > > Since the trust is set up to benifit the benificiaries.....who else > but they can challenge it? Depending on what it says in the trust documents, it's possible that the heirs of Ted Jones could challenge it. If they wanted to. For certain charitable trusts, the state attorney general might be able to challenge it. But I doubt that's the case here. So does anyone have time to drop in to WCRB and ask to see the public file? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 11 00:55:38 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:55:38 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443AFE8A.26151.F77847@localhost> On 10 Apr 2006 at 23:30, John Francini wrote: > "Original intent" might make for an interesting line of argument in > court. It's a perfectly valid argument, provided there's some ambiguity in the language of the document. If the language is clear, it is presumed to reflect the intent. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 02:15:20 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:15:20 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018301c65d30$df38e8e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > >Because in a literal reading....."WCRB will indeed > >continue to play classical music." (albeit on one of > >their HD channels.) > > No, but even at the time that was written I'm sure the _implied_ > meaning was for it to play classical music on the *primary signal*. Well, it was implied, because they never imagined there would be another way to program Classical music on WCRB. Now there IS a way to program Classical on WCRB that the public can pick up and enjoy! > WCRB has run a business of playing other formats (including > background music) on their SCA channel for quite some number of > years, well back into the 1970s. > I would think that if this takeover had happened back then, the idea > of putting the classical music on the SCA channel would be as much of > a non-starter as putting it on a digital (but not necessarily HD) > channel is [to me] today. Yes, however the WCRB Sound Systems SCA channel was never mean for direct public consumption. The HD Multicasts are designed for exactly that. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 11 08:12:38 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:12:38 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal References: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <018301c65d30$df38e8e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01c65d61$48b3ed80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In fact, as I understand it, the only reason that analog SCA channels are not audible to the general public is wording in the FCC regulations that essentially makes it illegal for anyone to sell to the US general public radios that can reproduce those channels. There is no technical reason that mass-market analog FM receivers cannot reproduce SCA channels. The reason for the regulation was to protect the interests of companies that distributed background music on SCA channels. If receivers that could reproduce those channels were widely available, the background music services would not have been able to charge for their product and thus could not have made any money from the SCA services. Interesting that technically, FM stations have been able for more than 30 years to broadcast mutiple (analog) audio streams. When HD Radio came along, some bright person must have said, "Wait a minute... This turkey ain't gonna fly--but if we can market it as enabling many new program sources, it'll seem to the public like... like... satellite radio... that's it, satellite radio without the monthly subscription fees." And so it must have been that HD subchannels were born. Known as turning a sow's ear into, umm, a sow's ear. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Trovato" To: "John Francini" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal > > > >Because in a literal reading....."WCRB will indeed > > >continue to play classical music." (albeit on one of > > >their HD channels.) > > > > No, but even at the time that was written I'm sure the _implied_ > > meaning was for it to play classical music on the *primary signal*. > > Well, it was implied, because they never imagined there would be another way > to program Classical music on WCRB. > > Now there IS a way to program Classical on WCRB that the public can pick up > and enjoy! > > > WCRB has run a business of playing other formats (including > > background music) on their SCA channel for quite some number of > > years, well back into the 1970s. > > I would think that if this takeover had happened back then, the idea > > of putting the classical music on the SCA channel would be as much of > > a non-starter as putting it on a digital (but not necessarily HD) > > channel is [to me] today. > > Yes, however the WCRB Sound Systems SCA channel was never mean for direct > public consumption. > > The HD Multicasts are designed for exactly that. > From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:12 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Boston Globe Item on WERS LMA Proposal In-Reply-To: <001a01c65d61$48b3ed80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20060411013617.68003.qmail@web35912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <018301c65d30$df38e8e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <001a01c65d61$48b3ed80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <37741.66.195.169.98.1144760292.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> > Interesting that technically, > FM stations have been able for more than 30 years to broadcast mutiple > (analog) audio streams. When HD Radio came along, some bright person must > have said, "Wait a minute... This turkey ain't gonna fly--but if we can > market it as enabling many new program sources, it'll seem to the public > like... like... satellite radio... that's it, satellite radio without the > monthly subscription fees." And so it must have been that HD subchannels > were born. Known as turning a sow's ear into, umm, a sow's ear. There's a real difference in quality between analog SCA and FM HD subchannels, though. Even on the best of receivers, analog SCA sounds worse than a passable AM, and that assumes a good signal level and an absence of multipath. There's also a coverage limitation to an analog SCA signal. But if you have a receiver, and if it's properly engineered at the station's end, FM HD subchannels can sound as good as the main channel (indeed, if the station's doing two streams at 48k each, they're essentially indistinguishable in quality.) If you can get the main HD, you can get the subchannel, too. Advances in compression technology over the next few years are likely to make HD3 and HD4 subchannels a reality, too. It's not perfect, but it's better than the old analog SCA, anyway... From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Apr 11 10:29:35 2006 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:29:35 -0400 Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <37741.66.195.169.98.1144760292.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: <200604111509.k3BF9CxG014858@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I drive pass the Andover water plant frequently (on Route 133 in Andover, next to Haggetts Pond). If I am listening to WKOX 1200, just as I pass the plant, I hear the sound of a code transmission over WKOX. I haven't been able to slow down yet to copy the code, but it sounds like a navigational beacon with slow, steady, repetitive code. I think there is an aviation beacon named HAGGETTS or HAGGETT which may be at the water plant, but I don't see an antenna and can't seem to find information about the beacon online (I don't have any navigation charts). I would assume it's a harmonic that I am hearing (I only hear the code for a few hundred feet as I drive by). Any info? Thanks! From readaaron@friedbagels.com Tue Apr 11 10:00:31 2006 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:00:31 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe on WERS / WCRB - some clarifications Message-ID: <443BB67F.1050200@friedbagels.com> Hey guys, here's a hodge-podge of responses to various things that have come up in the wake of the story that Peter Smyth of Greater Media made an offer of $10mil/yr to Emerson to LMA WERS...presumably to put classical music on. First, everyone should go over to www.bostonradiowatch.com and read up on Mark's excellent summary of how much money (billing) the stations in question are making. It confirms what a lot of speculation has been saying; WCRB is profitable, true. But given it's decent ratings, it is severely underbilling its audience, and that's bad news for the future of commercial classical in Boston. GM's WKLB country also underbills about as badly and thus truly is a prime candidate for divesting. GM's WBOS has terrible ratings but bills excellently, so that format can be expected to stick around. Based on this, I expect WBOS's format to shift to 102.5FM, and the Red Sox games to move to 92.9FM. A new sports station will be built on 92.9 around the games. WEEI will take a huge hit in the process, but probably will stick around. Probably 1510 or 890/1400 will fold - I doubt Boston can sustain four separate all-sports stations...but one never knows. Will classical disappear? Based purely on the money I wouldn't be surprised if it does. WGBH could do well to try and pick up those listeners, as could WHRB, but I don't think either of them really wants to. Where's the ROI? Hell WGBH is moving towards MORE talk, not less. Anyways, a classical HD-2 channel might make sense if it's cheap enough to deploy...but that's only because for the moment HD-2 (and HD-3) channels are vaguely "throwaway" channels until more multicast-capable radios hit the market. ************ Yes, subcarriers are specifically designated as a "private" broadcast service, and the law bans "tunable" subcarrier receivers; SCA tuners are supposed to be fixed to a given main FM carrier. In reality you can get a tunable SCA receiver pretty easily - there's not much incentive for the FCC to crack down on it. Although with the advent of the new FMeXtra digital SCA service by DRE (http://www.dreinc.com) only God knows how that'll all play out in the regulatory field. So far the FCC hasn't shown any inclination that they will hold FMeXtra broadcasts to the same receiver restrictions that analog SCA's are. ************ I really don't get the WERS LMA idea. There's no ROI to be had there, and it's far too much money to be a "conscience" payoff to appease WCRB fans or owners. I've heard rumors that Emerson has drooled for years over the concept of how much money WBUR rakes in, but even at WBUR's best they gross perhaps $15-$25 million/year...and they target a very wealthy demo that likes to give money. That demo likes news, not classical (or any music - given how much smaller WGBH Radio & WUMB's fundraising & underwriting totals are in comparison to WBUR's). Plus the FCC prohibits a station from *fundraising* for anyone but itself (or the licensee)...so underwriting money could flow back to Greater Media (maybe) but on-air fundraising could not and that's where the bigger money is; not underwriting. I saw a post on Radio-Info (where slander means never having to say you're sorry) that pointed out the source for this information was "an Emerson insider" which really could mean anything. It could be a WCRB fan at Emerson who wants to make GM look bad. It could be a faculty member annoyed at the higher ups (there's no lack of public dirty laundry there). It could even be a feel-good campaign where Smyth took the PR hit to allow Emerson to assuage student fears that the station might be sold (a perennial fear). Who knows? I don't know Smyth, beyond that he's a nice guy and seems to go a good job running GM. But to my logic, if one wanted to spend $10mil getting more classical on the air, I'd offer that money to WHRB, or even WGBH. Neither of which would sneeze at $10 million a year! The lack of logic makes me wonder about the veracity of the whole story. ************ As to WBUR's history with BU. I've done a fair amount of historical research into the history of both of BU's stations: NPR powerhouse WBUR and carrier-current/student-only WTBU. I went to BU and spent several afternoons combing through the library for old articles and whatnot...lots of interesting stuff. Interviewed several old alumni as well. - I've got an old summary on my website: http://www.friedbagels.com/wtbu/wtbuhistory.html (it's most about WTBU, but there's WBUR stuff too) Below is a relevant excerpt. Remember that at the time there were rampant antiwar protests that got pretty hairy. BU was known as the "Berkeley of the East" back then, and the college administrators (not Sibler - he didn't come on board until Jan.1971) were NOT happy about what the students were saying on the air. Back then WBUR was mostly student-run and operated, although the style of "student run" mgmt was rather different than it is today. ***** "In February of 1964 two SPRC members were assigned direct control of WBUR; going directly over the students - despite vigorous protests and several BU students defecting to Emerson College as a result. A year later in February of 1965 SPC (which was SPRC - they changed the name in mid-1964) lost control of the station as well and it was run directly by the BU Public Relations Office (later an outside General Manager was brought in to run the station) In 1968 the BU Administration would run a serious re-apprasial on WBUR...attempting to determine the worth of the role the station played within and outside the BU community. And WBUR's woes would continue into 1971...when 21 WBUR members were fired amidst charges of "gross mis-management" by the Administration. A skeleton crew of six staffers was retained to keep the station on the air." ***** Note the 1971 date - I believe that was indeed Silber's influence. I remember stories about Case, the previous President, from my mother who attended BU back in the early 1960's. She said that at the time, BU was really going downhill financially and academically. Silber was brought in to "clean house" and get things "back on track"...WBUR was not the only outlet to feel his wrath. (so to speak) I don't know what happened between 1971 and 1979, when Jane Christo was hired as GM of WBUR. However, WBUR says that in 1971 they had enough staff to qualify for CPB funding, which requires a minimum of five full-time professional staff members (hence the "skeleton crew of six staffers" no doubt. Of course, everyone knows that Jane wasted no time after her arrival in 1979, working to "professionalize" WBUR. What few students were still involved were largely gone by the mid 1980's. Legend has it that around the late 1980's or early 1990's Silber delivered an ultimatum that WBUR had to start pulling its own weight within two or three years or BU was selling the station. Silber's own hatred of the BU journalism department (and the media in general) isn't much of a secret. That might lend credence to the legend, or just be playing off it. I'm inclined to think the latter, because in the early 1990's NCE radio stations were not worth even a tenth of what they are worth today; the insane value of a license came from the Telcomm Act of 1996...still a few years down the road. I suspect it all was just Jane's raw ambition to make WBUR to NPR what WGBH is to PBS...The Connection's roots trace back to that timeframe. IIRC, Only a Game started locally back in the early 1990's as well. Of course, the Peabody award WBUR won in 1986 didn't hurt, either. :-) Getting back to the legend, supposedly what "saved" WBUR was the First Gulf War. The decision to carry lots of BBC World Service programming was hugely popular (and brought in loads more fundraising/underwriting money) and was the final nail in the coffin for music on WBUR. Around that time WBUR went all-news save for Charlie Kolhaise (sp?) doing jazz on the overnights, and even that disappeared around 1998 or so (I remember hearing Charlie's last show, that was very sad). At least they still have "Con Salsa", though. The rest of the financial story everyone knows by know from the news surrounding Jane's ouster in the fall of 2004. Cheers! -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02176 From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Apr 11 19:39:59 2006 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:39:59 +0000 Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <200604111509.k3BF9CxG014858@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <200604111509.k3BF9CxG014858@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <443C3E4F.8010206@frontiernet.net> Jim Hall wrote: > I drive pass the Andover water plant frequently (on Route 133 in Andover, > next to Haggetts Pond). If I am listening to WKOX 1200, just as I pass the > plant, I hear the sound of a code transmission over WKOX....I would assume it's a harmonic > that I am hearing (I only hear the code for a few hundred feet as I drive > by). Any info? More likely an "image" created by your car radio. Since the intermediate frequency of your AM radio is usually 455 kHZ, the image will be 910 kHz from the station you're tuned to. Accordingly, I'd suspect a air navigation beacon on 1200 - 910 or 290 kHz. Unfortunately, a quick scan of some of the internet longwave beacon lists doesn't show anything in New England between 2285-295 kHz. You usually have to be within a mile or two of them to hear them coming through your car radio. The air navigation band is about 195 - 525 kHz. In some parts of the country you can hear the beacon on its actual frequency just below the bottom end of the AM broadcast band. Another possibility might be a beat involving the beacon and another strong broadcast station combining to overload the front end of your car radio. But you'd have to know what AM broadcast station you're going past in Andover, because as I recall WKOX is way out in Framingham so it wouldn't be overly strong there. Bud Hippisley, W2RU From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Apr 11 19:23:53 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:23:53 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe on WERS / WCRB - some clarifications Message-ID: <20060411232353.2F39E3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Read" > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Boston Globe on WERS / WCRB - some clarifications > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:00:31 -0400 > > > Hey guys, here's a hodge-podge of responses to various things that > have come up in the wake of the story that Peter Smyth of Greater > Media made an offer of $10mil/yr to Emerson to LMA > WERS...presumably to put classical music on. > > First, everyone should go over to www.bostonradiowatch.com and read > up on Mark's excellent summary of how much money (billing) the > stations in question are making. It confirms what a lot of > speculation has been saying; WCRB is profitable, true. But given > it's decent ratings, it is severely underbilling its audience, and > that's bad news for the future of commercial classical in Boston. > > GM's WKLB country also underbills about as badly and thus truly is > a prime candidate for divesting. > > GM's WBOS has terrible ratings but bills excellently, so that > format can be expected to stick around. > > Based on this, I expect WBOS's format to shift to 102.5FM, and the > Red Sox games to move to 92.9FM. A new sports station will be > built on 92.9 around the games. WEEI will take a huge hit in the > process, but probably will stick around. Probably 1510 or 890/1400 > will fold - I doubt Boston can sustain four separate all-sports > stations...but one never knows. > > Will classical disappear? Based purely on the money I wouldn't be > surprised if it does. WGBH could do well to try and pick up those > listeners, as could WHRB, but I don't think either of them really > wants to. Where's the ROI? Hell WGBH is moving towards MORE talk, > not less. > > > -- -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > www.friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02176 It's a commonly uttered sentiment that music in general, and classical in particular, are disappearing from the non-comms. But there are denizens of 88.1-91.9 world that play nothing but classical and seem to be enjoying success doing it. I took a few minutes to peruse the playlists of WGUC in Cincinnati and WNIU in Rockford, IL, and listeners to these stations are able to listen to much more varied and intelligent fare than around here (unless you live within WHRB's coverage area.) I think it will be interesting to check out rrconline.org after the next Boston book comes out and see if WGBH-FM made ANY gains since its replacement of 9 hours a week of music with repeats of shows already heard on WBUR. Tht hasn't kept WGBH-FM from running promos on channel 2 highlighting the classical hours they do air currently...such promos started just after I noticed that WCRB ran an ad inside the Boston Symphony program booklet alerting the world that this year's "Classical Cartoon Festival" would be its last. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Apr 11 20:13:23 2006 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:13:23 -0400 Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <443C3E4F.8010206@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <200604120049.k3C0n0MG020227@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Thanks. Your message made me think....I looked up the local municipal airport, and they had the local navaids listed. I guess what I am hearing is the HAGET non-directional beacon on 402 kHz, so I guess I am hearing 402 X 3 = 1206. -----Original Message----- From: Cohasset / Hippisley [mailto:cohasset@frontiernet.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 PM To: Jim Hall Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Question about WKOX Jim Hall wrote: > I drive pass the Andover water plant frequently (on Route 133 in Andover, > next to Haggetts Pond). If I am listening to WKOX 1200, just as I pass the > plant, I hear the sound of a code transmission over WKOX....I would assume it's a harmonic > that I am hearing (I only hear the code for a few hundred feet as I drive > by). Any info? More likely an "image" created by your car radio. Since the intermediate frequency of your AM radio is usually 455 kHZ, the image will be 910 kHz from the station you're tuned to. Accordingly, I'd suspect a air navigation beacon on 1200 - 910 or 290 kHz. Unfortunately, a quick scan of some of the internet longwave beacon lists doesn't show anything in New England between 2285-295 kHz. You usually have to be within a mile or two of them to hear them coming through your car radio. The air navigation band is about 195 - 525 kHz. In some parts of the country you can hear the beacon on its actual frequency just below the bottom end of the AM broadcast band. Another possibility might be a beat involving the beacon and another strong broadcast station combining to overload the front end of your car radio. But you'd have to know what AM broadcast station you're going past in Andover, because as I recall WKOX is way out in Framingham so it wouldn't be overly strong there. Bud Hippisley, W2RU From xtrovato@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 21:59:36 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stations "podcasting"? Message-ID: <20060412015936.38915.qmail@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are any of the Boston stations offering any podcasts? (Besides WGBH-WBUR, etc....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Apr 11 22:01:04 2006 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:01:04 +0000 Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <20060412001439.E47D080049@mx02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <20060412001439.E47D080049@mx02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <443C5F60.7070102@frontiernet.net> Jim Hall wrote: > Thanks. Your message made me think....I looked up the local municipal > airport, and they had the local navaids listed. I guess what I am hearing > is the HAGET non-directional beacon on 402 kHz, so I guess I am hearing 402 > X 3 = 1206. > Sounds like you have it nailed. I'm a little surprised that the 3rd harmonic is so strong -- whether it's actually being transmitted or being created in your car radio. But the lack of any NDBs around 290 in the Andover area tells me it's unlikely to be an image problem, contrary to my original speculation. Glad you figured it out. Bud From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Apr 11 22:24:58 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:24:58 -0400 Subject: Stations "podcasting"? Message-ID: <200604112224.AA2502033520@mail.ttlc.net> Rob Trovato asked: >Are any of the Boston stations offering any podcasts? > >(Besides WGBH-WBUR, etc....) IIRC, WBZ AM-1030 offers podcasts on their Web Site. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Apr 11 22:14:29 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:14:29 -0400 Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <200604120049.k3C0n0MG020227@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <007401c65dd6$d4d1edb0$6800a8c0@Andrastea> As a pilot, I will answer your question. What you are hearing is a non-directional beacon (NDB) that is transmitting on 402KHz. It transmits the Morse identifier LW to identify it as HAGET to a pilot getting a fix off of it. Since it is colocated within an approach (runway 5/23)it carries the additional title of "Compass Locator" and only has a two letter identifier (most NDB's have a three letter one). Since NDB's are AM and non-directional, the FAA has been in the process of phasing them out over the last few years. HAGET may survive longer than some because of its approach fix status. Here's a link to the "approach plate" that a pilot would use to land on RWY5 at Lawrence Airport using the NDB: http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00654NG5.PDF The chart also references a second NDB called BEDDS broadcasting on 332Khz. It's part of the approach to Bedford's RWY 11 and also carries a two letter ID of BE. There's also references to the Manchester NH, Lawrence and Boston VOR (VHF Omni range) beacons that transmit radials that a pilot can tune in and basically "ride in" to an airport or another location. There's a similar NDB located just off of Beverly airport called Topsfield (big surprise) and it transmits TOF on 269Khz. As a side note, just for giggles, there's proof that the FAA has a sense of humor (or more likely, some cartographer slipped this by them...). If you were to fly one of the approaches to Pease, NH, you would fly from one fix (an imaginary point in space that is defined by either a beacon or the intersection of two radials off of an NDB) to the next. All of these fixes have names so that you can tell the controller where you are. The approach fixes into Pease AFB are named ITAWT ITAWA PUDYE TTAT IDEED. These names may not look like much on paper until you say them aloud. The link to the chart is: http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00678R16.PDF (For the phonetically declined, it would be pronounced "I Thought I SAW A PUDDY TATT, I DID". Personally I think that its scarier that you'd take a right turn at SATAN (see chart). ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita President brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 12 03:43:47 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:43:47 -0400 Subject: Stations "podcasting"? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604120042v3320b389o3d322d07c4cd4e69@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604112224.AA2502033520@mail.ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0604120042v3320b389o3d322d07c4cd4e69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604120043u71902e7cgcceaebef44f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> WRKO has podcasts of Howie Carr's chumpline and the John DePetro show. The Sunday night Pundit Review show has podcasts via their own blog/site. From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 07:24:49 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stations "podcasting"? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604120043u71902e7cgcceaebef44f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060412112449.25811.qmail@web38912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is required to do a "pod-cast"? Is it possible to simply post an MP3 on a station's site, or is there some special change that needs to be done? --- Bob Nelson wrote: > WRKO has podcasts of Howie Carr's chumpline and the > John DePetro show. The > Sunday night Pundit Review show has podcasts via > their own blog/site. > > Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 08:43:30 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question about WKOX In-Reply-To: <443C3E4F.8010206@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20060412124330.40126.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:39:59 Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > The air navigation band > is about 195 - 525 > kHz. In some parts of the country you can hear the > beacon on its actual > frequency just below the bottom end of the AM > broadcast band. Which explains a strange transmission I used to hear on AM 530 when I was a child in Broadalbin, NY. There was something that used to transmit a continuous repeating morse code signal of "JJH" that I could not, for the life of me, figure out. Knowing this information, I have just realized that signal was most likely a navigational beacon at the Fulton County Airport in nearby JoHnstown, NY transmitting very near, if not on, 525 KHZ. Only took me some 15 years or so to figure it out (with "just a little" help from this list)... Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 12:42:27 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:27 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe on WERS / WCRB - some clarifications Message-ID: > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:00:31 -0400 > Subject: Boston Globe on WERS / WCRB - some clarifications > > Around that time WBUR went all-news save for Charlie Kolhaise (sp?) > doing jazz on the overnights, and even that disappeared around 1998 > or so (I remember hearing Charlie's last show, that was very sad). > At least they still have "Con Salsa", though. Charlie can still be heard playing jazz on WMBR 88.1 from MIT though, currently on Mondays 2 - 4 PM. He's had a jazz show there since about when his WBUR show was discontinued. Charlie is still working overnight shifts at WBUR as well, running the BBC World Service and announcing the local breaks on the nights that I don't do it, which are usually Monday, Wednesday and Sunday nights at this point. Not this week, though. He's on tour with his band. I'm working every night this week through Sunday (except Saturday, which is Con Salsa). Eli Polonsky From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Apr 12 12:44:15 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:15 -0400 Subject: WBUR schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17469.11871.833257.205916@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Not this week, though. He's on tour with his band. I'm working every > night this week through Sunday (except Saturday, which is Con Salsa). I have to say, and with no disrespect intended to that fine program, this is one of the most irritating features of the 'BUR schedule. I find that the Weuhld Seuhvice is a much better soporific than "Con Salsa", and which they could find some other time slot for it. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 12 14:16:42 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:16:42 -0400 Subject: Power Ratios Message-ID: <001601c65e5d$441c1b60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I'm not talking here about the quantitiies that are usually expressed in dBs; I'm talking about ad-agency fol-de-rol that I gather is driving the radio business and quite possibly demonstrating the stupidity of station and group management, agencies, and advertisers. If I've got it right, Power Ratio is the ratio of a station's share of market revenue to share of audience. If a station has 10% of the audience but takes in 15% of ad revenues, its power ratio is 1.5 and that's excellent. OTOH, if a station with a 10% audience share takes in 5% of the market's revenue, its power ratio is 0.5, which is not good. Guess what? Stations whose formats are unpopular with ad agencies have low power ratios. Well, DUH! If a format is unpopular with agencies, they will put their dollars elsewhere--on stations whose formats they like. So power ratio appears to be a self-fulfilling prophecy that agencies can use to make the rich even richer and the poor poorer. That the broadcasting and advertising communities should accept this really dumb concept and use it as a basis for promoting stations and making media buys can be a testament to nothing other than the stupidity of those who compile and use this bogus statistic. Somebody tell me that I've got this wrong--and explain to me why I'm wrong and why power ratios are really valuable metrics in making media buys. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 12 14:23:33 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: Stations "podcasting"? In-Reply-To: <20060412112449.25811.qmail@web38912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1fbbbced0604120043u71902e7cgcceaebef44f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> <20060412112449.25811.qmail@web38912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604121123m3f40274eq8e26375664970eeb@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure--probably just to put mp3 files On 4/12/06, Cooper Fox wrote: > What is required to do a "pod-cast"? Is it possible > to simply post an MP3 on a station's site, or is there > some special change that needs to be done? I don't know, but it probably is something like putting mp3 files on a site. When I did my 25th Anniversary show, I put sections of it on the WMWM site for download (still up, for now at least)..segments of just under an hour, or sometimes about 80 min. People could either click on them and hear them right away on their computer or save the file which could then be sent to an Ipod/mp3 player; burned on a CD, etc. http://wmwm.250free.com/BobNelson25.html Shows like public radio's "Whad Ya Know" will have podcasts where they divide the 2-hour show into four half hour segments for download. Some talk shows, like Hannity, offer free _live_ streaming of the shows, and will offer podcasts of same for a fee ("Hannity Insider") From hykker@grolen.com Wed Apr 12 14:33:38 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (hykker@grolen.com) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Power Ratios In-Reply-To: <001601c65e5d$441c1b60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001601c65e5d$441c1b60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <32787.63.115.16.143.1144866818.squirrel@63.115.16.143> > Guess what? Stations whose formats are unpopular with ad agencies have low > power ratios. Well, DUH! If a format is unpopular with agencies, they will > put their dollars elsewhere--on stations whose formats they like. So power > ratio appears to be a self-fulfilling prophecy that agencies can use to > make > the rich even richer and the poor poorer. That the broadcasting and > advertising communities should accept this really dumb concept and use it > as > a basis for promoting stations and making media buys can be a testament to > nothing other than the stupidity of those who compile and use this bogus > statistic. > > Somebody tell me that I've got this wrong--and explain to me why I'm wrong > and why power ratios are really valuable metrics in making media buys. Don't the power ratios include all revenue vs audience share, not just agency dollars? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Apr 12 19:17:30 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:17:30 -0400 Subject: HD Acceptance is "In The Bag" Message-ID: <200604121917.AA1716256822@mail.ttlc.net> In the May issue of Reader's Digest (in newsstands April 18th): Annual "America's 100 Best" "Entertainment Category" "Best Sound On Demand" RD cities iBiquity Digital HD Radio Technology's "super-clear sound" That's 80 million readers coming up to speed on technology. From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 13 18:37:29 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:37:29 -0400 Subject: WUMB/WAVM/Living Proof - The End Message-ID: <443ED2A9.3090500@fybush.com> The Maynard schools, WUMB and Living Proof held a news conference this afternoon to announce that they've reached a settlement. WAVM will go up to 500 watts, with WUMB sharing time on the signal when the students aren't on the air. Living Proof will get to build their station in Lunenburg, with a little less power than originally planned. With any luck, this will end this long-running fight and leave everyone fairly happy. Stay tuned... s From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Apr 13 22:59:54 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:59:54 -0400 Subject: WGAW/WCAT Message-ID: <06c801c65f6f$81be9fc0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Someone update me, please: Are WGAW and WCAT now co-owned, do they merely share programming, or does WGAW operate 'CAT under a LMA? -Doug From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 03:27:02 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:27:02 -0400 Subject: WUMB/WAVM/Living Proof - The End In-Reply-To: <443ED2A9.3090500@fybush.com> References: <443ED2A9.3090500@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604140027l3a3283bcx6adf661d6283d196@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/06, Scott Fybush wrote: > The Maynard schools, WUMB and Living Proof held a news conference this > afternoon to announce that they've reached a settlement. Here's a link to an article in Friday's Metrowest News. FCC approval still needed. http://metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=127400 Maynard High School radio station WAVM and its University of Massachusetts-Boston broadcast partner WUMB have reached an agreement with a competitor for the 91.7 FM broadcasting frequency that may end a six-month license nightmare and result in a much stronger broadcast signal. "What this agreement will do is allow WAVM to go from 10 watts to 500 watts of power," said Pat Monteith, general manager of WUMB. The agreement was reached with Living Proof, Inc., a Christian broadcaster, which had been granted rights to the frequency by the Federal Communications Commission last fall. From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 13:45:51 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:45:51 -0400 Subject: WUMB/WAVM/Living Proof - The End Message-ID: > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Scott Fybush" , > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, > raccoonradio@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:27:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: WUMB/WAVM/Living Proof - The End > > Here's a link to an article in Friday's Metrowest News. FCC approval > still needed. > > http://metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=127400 > > Maynard High School radio station WAVM and its University of > Massachusetts-Boston broadcast partner WUMB have reached an > agreement with a competitor for the 91.7 FM broadcasting frequency > that may end a six-month license nightmare and result in a much > stronger broadcast signal. > > "What this agreement will do is allow WAVM to go from 10 watts to > 500 watts of power," said Pat Monteith, general manager of WUMB. > > The agreement was reached with Living Proof, Inc., a Christian > broadcaster, which had been granted rights to the frequency by the > Federal Communications Commission last fall. I'm not completely sure, but I think that if this gets approved, the 500 watt signal from Maynard would prevent another religious broadcaster, CSN International, from pursuing their application for a 100 watt network repeater on 91.7 in Lexington. I'm guessing that one of Monteith's main goals was most likely not only to get the part-time WUMB relay on a more powerful 500 watt WAVM in Maynard, but also to save Boston's northwest suburbs, where many WUMB listeners (and most generous contributors) reside, from adjacent channel interference to WUMB's greater Boston area main transmitter in Quincy from CSN's 91.7 Lexington application. I don't recall WAVM ever applying for as much as 500 watts for their original upgrade before WUMB became directly aligned with them. I recall WAVM's earlier upgrade proposals being a bit more modest, such as 200 watts. I'm guessing WUMB probably arranged with WAVM to raise their application to 500 watts to help stave off the religious broadcasters signals for their mutual benefit. EP From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Apr 14 15:19:23 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:19:23 -0400 Subject: WUMB/WAVM/Living Proof - The End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060414151509.025805d8@mac.com> At 01:45 PM 4/14/2006, Eli Polonsky wrote: > >I'm guessing that one of Monteith's main goals was most likely >not only to get the part-time WUMB relay on a more powerful 500 >watt WAVM in Maynard, but also to save Boston's northwest suburbs, >where many WUMB listeners (and most generous contributors) reside, >from adjacent channel interference to WUMB's greater Boston area >main transmitter in Quincy from CSN's 91.7 Lexington application. And another problem that 91.7 faces is interference from WUML 91.5 in Lowell. They seem to over-modulate at times (I have no instruments to confirm this), and when they do, they interfere in Salem, NH with WUMB's 91.7 signal from Newburyport, which is otherwise clear in this area. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Apr 14 18:10:24 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:10:24 -0500 Subject: WGBH-FM Getting Serious (Not Sirius) About HD Message-ID: <20060414221024.2EBDACA0B0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> The Boston Globe's music critic, Richard Dyer, doesn't write about radio very often, but today (04/14) he published a lengthy column about WGBH-FM's plans for its HD second channel. My first thought while reading it was that the PR folks at WGBH sent him a press release and urged him to run it in his widely-read Friday column where it would reach many of the listeners WGBH wanted to know about this information. Read all about it at: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/04/14/offerings_on_wgbh_fm_expand_via_high_definition/ -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 17 17:20:03 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:20:03 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Folks, this is NOT an ideological question. I've been asked to do a journal article (this is for an academic journal) about the most influential talk show hosts (past or present). I don't care about their politics-- this isn't about their politics. It's about their influence, their following, how they changed the genre. So, who do you consider to be the most important, most worthy of being remembered for their impact on talk radio? They can be right wing, left wing, secular, religious, you tell me, but just give me one-- or two at most, and your reason for choosing the person(s). Your opinions are appreciated, and I don't need to quote you unless you want to be quoted. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Apr 17 18:47:52 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:47:52 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060417184414.0257d6f8@mac.com> At 05:20 PM 4/17/2006, Donna Halper wrote: >Folks, this is NOT an ideological question. I've been asked to do a >journal article (this is for an academic journal) about the most >influential talk show hosts (past or present). I'de go with Long John Nebel, because he was one of the first. It was on the overnights that talk radio started, and much later till it spread to other time slots. If you're looking for a more national example of this, there's the guy who started the "Nitecaps" program years ago out of Salt Lake, I don't remember his name. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 17 19:01:31 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:31 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060417184414.0257d6f8@mac.com> Message-ID: <001301c66272$dff7f180$19b38018@Mark> Larry Weil wrote: > If you're looking for a more national example of this, there's the guy who > started the "Nitecaps" program years ago out of Salt Lake, I don't > remember his name. I believe his name was Herb Jepco (sp?), at least that's how it sounded phonetically to me. His Nitecaps show aired on the old Mutual Radio Network back in the 70's, then I believe was replaced by Larry King. Mark Watson From iraapple@comcast.net Mon Apr 17 19:59:43 2006 From: iraapple@comcast.net (iraapple) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:59:43 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000801c6627b$008e40e0$0618fb45@IraApple> Donna, Not to complicate matters but I think you must indicate whether these people were before or after 1986 when the Fairness Doctrine was dropped. There could be no Rush or Hannity or their ilk if it still existed today. Of course Rush has to be on the top of the list as the person most influential during the post-fairness period. There are so many, but Joe Pine for his contentiousness and Bill Balance for his sexual undercurrents both broke new ground way before '86. I am not sure where you would place Ed and Wendy King of KDKA, Pittsburgh but they were, if not the first, one of the earliest teams to do talk; but -- they did one-way talk; only their side of the conversation was heard as they rephrased, repackaged and restated what the caller was saying. It is tough to imagine if you never heard these two extremely bright and entertaining people who were on the air for about twenty years. Was not Larry Glick a great influence over the 38 states reached by the WBZ signal? I think many talk hosts were influenced by his creative quirkiness. And I think that Guy Mannela (sp) was one of the first (certainly early) sports talk hosts (before Ira Apple made him open up his show to general topics of the day.) Then there are those who have been influential as people either to copy or be sure not to copy. Larry King comes to mind in this category only because he is now one of the rare polite and balanced interviewers who actually seems to care about his guests and what they have to say. (See earlier comment about pre and post fairness) I hope you will let us read your article. (You may quote or not quote as you see fit). Ira -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:20 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: most important talk show hosts Folks, this is NOT an ideological question. I've been asked to do a journal article (this is for an academic journal) about the most influential talk show hosts (past or present). I don't care about their politics-- this isn't about their politics. It's about their influence, their following, how they changed the genre. So, who do you consider to be the most important, most worthy of being remembered for their impact on talk radio? They can be right wing, left wing, secular, religious, you tell me, but just give me one-- or two at most, and your reason for choosing the person(s). Your opinions are appreciated, and I don't need to quote you unless you want to be quoted. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 20:05:36 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A 'Radio Revolution' on CBS4 News @ 11PM Message-ID: <20060418000536.94733.qmail@web35909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just saw a promo for the 11PM news tonight on Ch 4. It appears they will be doing a peice on HD Radio. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 17 20:45:33 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:45:33 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <000801c6627b$008e40e0$0618fb45@IraApple> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417204423.02bf8178@pop.registeredsite.com> At 07:59 PM 4/17/2006 -0400, iraapple wrote: >Donna, > >Not to complicate matters but I think you must indicate whether these people >were before or after 1986 when the Fairness Doctrine was dropped. There >could be no Rush or Hannity or their ilk if it still existed today. Absolutely. I will be setting the stage for the different hosts and discussing what era they did their work-- obviously, different rules, different language, and different expectations in society-- affected various of the hosts. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Apr 17 22:12:58 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:12:58 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <001301c66272$dff7f180$19b38018@Mark> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060417184414.0257d6f8@mac.com> <001301c66272$dff7f180$19b38018@Mark> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060417221051.02573ad0@mac.com> At 07:01 PM 4/17/2006, Mark Watson wrote: >Larry Weil wrote: > >>If you're looking for a more national example of this, there's the >>guy who started the "Nitecaps" program years ago out of Salt Lake, >>I don't remember his name. > > I believe his name was Herb Jepco (sp?), at least that's how it > sounded phonetically to me. His Nitecaps show aired on the old > Mutual Radio Network back in the 70's, then I believe was replaced > by Larry King. Yup, I believe you are correct with Jepco. There was also a local New York version of the Nitecaps for a while on WRFM 105.5, with it's own host. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From caustin@cox.net Mon Apr 17 23:17:59 2006 From: caustin@cox.net (Chip Austin) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:17:59 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <44445A67.8050903@cox.net> An honorable mention to Arthur Godfrey who bridged the "Golden Age" of radio with the modern era. His show on CBS lasted into the late '60s and exposed boomers like me to talk radio. There wasn't much network radio talk to listen to between Godfrey and Rush, but kudos to Larry King for keeping the torch lit through that period. Donna Halper wrote: > Folks, this is NOT an ideological question. I've been asked to do a > journal article (this is for an academic journal) about the most > influential talk show hosts (past or present). I don't care about their > politics-- this isn't about their politics. It's about their influence, > their following, how they changed the genre. So, who do you consider to > be the most important, most worthy of being remembered for their impact > on talk radio? They can be right wing, left wing, secular, religious, > you tell me, but just give me one-- or two at most, and your reason for > choosing the person(s). Your opinions are appreciated, and I don't need > to quote you unless you want to be quoted. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 18 02:30:18 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:30:18 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <44445A67.8050903@cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060418022914.02db0248@pop.registeredsite.com> How well-known was Larry Glick outside of Boston? I know Jerry Williams was quite well known because he worked in Chicago, Philly, DC and Boston (just to name a few). But what about Larry? From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 08:34:05 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 05:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060418022914.02db0248@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <20060418123405.31104.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recall at one point late in Larry Glick's tenure at WBZ, that he (Larry Glck) was, on a few ocassions, refered to as the King of Nightime radio (a play on Larry King's name). Word was that Larry King was fit-to- be-tied over the Johnnie-Come-Lately Wannabe talk show host. This was after Glick was on the air for many, many years. So Larry King had appartently just discovered Larry Glick, but I'm told there was a long line of people who straightened Larry King out and informed him that Glick had been around for quite some time! John Bolduc Derry NH From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 18 10:54:03 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:54:03 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> Donna, Whether you like the guy or not, Rush Limbaugh is clearly the most influential talk host of the modern era. I came into talk radio in 1989 at WHDH in Boston. At that time the business was all over the map, with shows like Sally Jesse Raphael and Bruce Williams and Larry King still the most recognized names in syndication. While those of us working in big markets could be more than satisfied with the talent we could array against each other, for smaller markets syndicated talk was just a way to fill some programming time. Then Rush came along. Small market stations could now put something on the air that could generate ratings and revenue, not just fill time. In the end, Rush became dominant because he put on an entertaining product that worked from Bakersfield to Peoria to Boston. He led the way, and others followed. The consequences have not all been good. While Rush helped create opportunities for many issue-oriented hosts to get into syndication, he also helped to change the character of small market talk radio. It now became easier to go the syndication route (althought this process would probably have gone foward anyway, driven by marketplace realities). I would argue that the reality of talk radio across America today has been shaped in no small measure by Rush Limbaugh, which makes him the most influential talk host of our time, both in terms of the issues he talks about on the air, and his mere presence as part of the industry. Dan Pierce Small Market PD/Talk Host - WGIR-AM, Manchester, NH Big Market Producer/Talk Host - WHDH, WBZ, Boston, MA Medium Market Talk Host (from time-to-time, when they will have me) - WPRO-AM, Providence, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: most important talk show hosts > Folks, this is NOT an ideological question. I've been asked to do a > journal article (this is for an academic journal) about the most > influential talk show hosts (past or present). I don't care about their > politics-- this isn't about their politics. It's about their influence, > their following, how they changed the genre. So, who do you consider to > be the most important, most worthy of being remembered for their impact on > talk radio? They can be right wing, left wing, secular, religious, you > tell me, but just give me one-- or two at most, and your reason for > choosing the person(s). Your opinions are appreciated, and I don't need > to quote you unless you want to be quoted. > > From billo@shoreham.net Tue Apr 18 12:10:06 2006 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:10:06 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <44450F5E.5090606@shoreham.net> Dan writes: > I would argue that the reality of talk radio across America today has > been shaped in no small measure by Rush Limbaugh, which makes him the > most influential talk host of our time, both in terms of the issues he > talks about on the air, and his mere presence as part of the industry. Can't disagree with that. Rush's market presence was a planned evolutionary process - by starting out as barter on flea and rim shot signals, he introduced himself to the market, all while a conservative presence was in office. Concurrent with a transition to the Clinton administration, local markets lost their broadcasts of Rush to major market signals. Example is WCAP (980 Lowell) was one of the first Rush (barter) affiliates in 1989 when he was two hours, noon-two. Within a couple of years, WHDH stepped up and paid the fees. (Would later move to WRKO when WHDH was blown up.) By the time the Clinton administration became active, Rush would have already positioned himself as contrarian. His "Rush Rooms" and "tours" would further solidify his affiliate relations base. So, the timing of the change of seasons in Washington, coupled with the need for AMers to cut or run, or both, worked well in Rush's favor. Bill O'Neill From rgallison@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 13:45:16 2006 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <20060418174517.459.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Cast my vote for Jean Shepard... probably because he was the first I ever listened to and he was entertaining __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Apr 18 21:56:05 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:56:05 -0400 Subject: Most important talk show hosts ... Message-ID: <200604190226.k3J2QZCD037326@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I would have to say that Jerry Williams was probably the most important talk host, despite the fact that he was mostly only in Boston. Despite the fact that I can't stand either of them, I think that Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh would have to be considered. I would also think that maybe one of those long-time NPR folks might be considered [I don't listen so I don't know]. Best, Anthony Schinella CEO/PD/A&E WKXL 1450 AM XL Marketing Concord, NH http://www.wkxl1450.com http://politizine.blogspot.com WKXL: Winner of six 2005 Golden Mike Awards - more than any other radio station in New Hampshire! From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 19 00:09:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:09:05 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <44457FA1.8957.4CFFE9@localhost> On 18 Apr 2006 at 10:54, dslrpierce@peoplepc.com wrote: > Whether you like the guy or not, Rush Limbaugh is clearly the most > influential talk host of the modern era. I don't like the guy, but I agree. Are we just talking about radio talk show hosts or is TV included? If it is, we can't forget Phil Donahue and Oprah Winfrey. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@suscom.net Wed Apr 19 00:37:26 2006 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:37:26 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <44450F5E.5090606@shoreham.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> <44450F5E.5090606@shoreham.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:10:06 -0400 "Bill O'Neill" wrote: >Rush's market presence was a planned >evolutionary process - by starting out as barter on flea and >rim shot signals, he introduced himself to the market, all >while a conservative presence was in office. Concurrent with a >transition to the Clinton administration, local markets lost >their broadcasts of Rush to major market signals. > >Example is WCAP (980 Lowell) was one of the first Rush >(barter) affiliates in 1989 when he was two hours, noon-two. > Within a couple of years, WHDH stepped up and paid the fees. >(Would later move to WRKO when WHDH was blown up.) By the time >the Clinton administration became active, Rush would have >already positioned himself as contrarian. His "Rush Rooms" and >"tours" would further solidify his affiliate relations base. Ah, the days when Rush was merely weekend filler on WHDH. At that time, they were still live and local 24/7 on weekdays (Jess Cain, Steve Martarano, Ted O'Brien, Eddie, Larry Glick), save for Bruce Williams at night. From dslrpierce@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 19 08:28:56 2006 From: dslrpierce@peoplepc.com (dslrpierce@peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060417171412.02be7dc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <001c01c662f7$eff51ba0$cf86e904@your6jnhhu0520> <44450F5E.5090606@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <001401c663ac$d4daed80$fca1e904@your6jnhhu0520> Those were the days at WHDH when I was Pat Whitley's producer (who you left out of your list). Jess Cain and Tom Doyle did the morning show, followed by Pat, then Steve, then Eddie, then Bruce, and Larry (although, disastrously, Larry did the mid-afternoon show for a while). Dale Arnold did sports and we had folks like Listo Fisher, Doug Cope and Don Huff doing news. Those were fun times. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: Re: most important talk show hosts > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:10:06 -0400 > "Bill O'Neill" wrote: >>Rush's market presence was a planned >>evolutionary process - by starting out as barter on flea and >>rim shot signals, he introduced himself to the market, all >>while a conservative presence was in office. Concurrent with a >>transition to the Clinton administration, local markets lost >>their broadcasts of Rush to major market signals. >> >>Example is WCAP (980 Lowell) was one of the first Rush >>(barter) affiliates in 1989 when he was two hours, noon-two. >> Within a couple of years, WHDH stepped up and paid the fees. >>(Would later move to WRKO when WHDH was blown up.) By the time >>the Clinton administration became active, Rush would have >>already positioned himself as contrarian. His "Rush Rooms" and >>"tours" would further solidify his affiliate relations base. > > Ah, the days when Rush was merely weekend filler on WHDH. At > that time, they were still live and local 24/7 on weekdays > (Jess Cain, Steve Martarano, Ted O'Brien, Eddie, Larry Glick), > save for Bruce Williams at night. > From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 12:14:07 2006 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kix from Books and Dunn In-Reply-To: <44445A67.8050903@cox.net> Message-ID: <20060419161407.25967.qmail@web38910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Parusing online airchecks. Heard a country one where the jock mentions that Kix from Brooks and Dunn used to be an overnight jock in Portland Maine. Any idea what station and when? Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From readaaron@friedbagels.com Wed Apr 19 11:33:49 2006 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:33:49 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> C'mon guys, nobody's mentioned Howard Stern the King of All Media?? Who got his start in Boston, no less. Howard's had a gigantic impact on the talk radio genre, not only amassing a disgustingly huge audience...but dragging a sizable percentage of that audience to satellite radio. Whether it was enough is up in the air, but it's certainly dropped a giant bomb on the whole AM & FM industry. Plus he spawned a legion of little copycats and clones. Not exactly a "good" thing in my book, but certainly it had an impact. I'd also toss out there Dr. Drew Pinsky (and Adam Corolla deserves some credit, too) who IIRC led a mini-revolution of sorts to talk about sex on the air in a serious way without resorting to Stern-like antics. Tavis Smiley is having a major impact on NPR and public broadcasting as we speak, but I think it's a little too soon to make any judgements on just how influential he'll end up being. Chris Lydon could also be described that way, although obviously he impacted public radio in a very different way than Tavis. What, no David Brudnoy? :-) -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02176 From stevewest106@hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 13:08:23 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:08:23 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: Stern? C'mon. While you bring up a couple of good points about his audience, I wouldn't exactly call him the one of the most important talk show hosts. First off, if you remember, Stern was a JOCK who evolved into a talker And, since we're on the subject, why has nobody mentioned Art Bell? Certainly 10 years of talking about space aliens and owning the overnight talk slot outright qualifies as one of the most important, at least in the 90s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: most important talk show hosts > C'mon guys, nobody's mentioned Howard Stern the King of All Media?? Who > got his start in Boston, no less. Howard's had a gigantic impact on the > talk radio genre, not only amassing a disgustingly huge audience...but > dragging a sizable percentage of that audience to satellite radio. > Whether it was enough is up in the air, but it's certainly dropped a giant > bomb on the whole AM & FM industry. > > Plus he spawned a legion of little copycats and clones. Not exactly a > "good" thing in my book, but certainly it had an impact. > > I'd also toss out there Dr. Drew Pinsky (and Adam Corolla deserves some > credit, too) who IIRC led a mini-revolution of sorts to talk about sex on > the air in a serious way without resorting to Stern-like antics. > > Tavis Smiley is having a major impact on NPR and public broadcasting as we > speak, but I think it's a little too soon to make any judgements on just > how influential he'll end up being. Chris Lydon could also be described > that way, although obviously he impacted public radio in a very different > way than Tavis. > > What, no David Brudnoy? :-) > -- > > -------------------------- > Aaron Read > readaaron@friedbagels.com > www.friedbagels.com > Boston, MA 02176 > > > > From hykker@grolen.com Wed Apr 19 14:04:38 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <21657.63.115.16.143.1145469878.squirrel@63.115.16.143> Aaron Read wrote... > C'mon guys, nobody's mentioned Howard Stern the King of All Media?? Who > got his start in Boston, no less. Howard's had a gigantic impact on > the talk radio genre, not only amassing a disgustingly huge > audience...but dragging a sizable percentage of that audience to > satellite radio. Whether it was enough is up in the air, but it's > certainly dropped a giant bomb on the whole AM & FM industry. > This thread is going on several boards...I think he was mentioned on one of the other ones. Like him or not, Stern definitely belongs on any list of important talk hosts, if for no other reason than for proving that syndicated programming can not only work, but win in AM drive...something many said couldn't be done. As to whether he'll acheive the kind of success on Sirius that he did on terrestrial radio is still unanswered. Didn't he go on a long rant recently about how "disappointed" he was that so few listeners followed him to satellite? From rgallison@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 15:35:42 2006 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <20060419193542.21723.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Not being in the radio business but just a Ham operator, the vote for Howard Stern would never get my vote. Im sure hes made alot of radio execs alot of money with his trash style, but to me, he epitomizes a low point in American broadcast history. PS I see Art Bell is getting remarried to a gal from the Philippines and moving there shortly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From readaaron@friedbagels.com Wed Apr 19 15:32:10 2006 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:32:10 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <21657.63.115.16.143.1145469878.squirrel@63.115.16.143> References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> <21657.63.115.16.143.1145469878.squirrel@63.115.16.143> Message-ID: <4446903A.8090703@friedbagels.com> Steve Ordinetz wrote: > Like him or not, Stern definitely belongs on any list of important talk > hosts, if for no other reason than for proving that syndicated programming > can not only work, but win in AM drive...something many said couldn't be > done. As to whether he'll acheive the kind of success on Sirius that he > did on terrestrial radio is still unanswered. Didn't he go on a long rant > recently about how "disappointed" he was that so few listeners followed > him to satellite? > I think the low "follow" count of Stern listeners going to Sirius is more indicative of how fuzzy the numbers are that Arbitron comes up with. Meaning that his "10 to 12 million" listeners on AM & FM might really have been a lot less than that. Sirius, on the other hand, can tell exactly how many new subscriptions there are and it's a logical assumption that the vast majority of the new subscriptions over the past six months are either Stern fans or are people who got interested in Sirius because of all the press coverage around Stern. Of course, the biggest price gap in the world is between free and one penny. So Stern had to expect a massive dropoff in listenership. Hell, to still have over a million listeners is pretty damn good, though. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02176 From stevewest106@hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 15:46:47 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:46:47 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <20060419193542.21723.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > PS I see Art Bell is getting remarried to a gal from > the Philippines and moving there shortly. Yeah, that kinda makes you think, doesn't it? From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Apr 19 16:23:29 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:23:29 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> it was said--> > This thread is going on several boards...I think he was mentioned on one > of the other ones. I put it on two boards-- ours and the broadcast.net board. And I thought one of us BRI folks mentioned Stern. I am glad somebody recalled Bob Raleigh, and I am still trying to assess if Larry Glick was considered just local or if people in other cities know him. And so far, yes Rush Limbaugh is the most mentioned, but Howard was mentioned, Larry King, Jerry Williams and Art Bell have been talked about. Old timers recall Herb Jepko, Wally Phillips, and somebody else I can't recall-- I am not at my desk right now. But thanks to everyone who replied. From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 19 18:59:21 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:59:21 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Arthur Godfrey? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Aaron Read" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: most important talk show hosts > it was said--> > > This thread is going on several boards...I think he was mentioned on one > > of the other ones. > > I put it on two boards-- ours and the broadcast.net board. And I thought one of us BRI folks mentioned Stern. I am glad somebody recalled Bob Raleigh, and I am still trying to assess if Larry Glick was considered just local or if people in other cities know him. And so far, yes Rush Limbaugh is the most mentioned, but Howard was mentioned, Larry King, Jerry Williams and Art Bell have been talked about. Old timers recall Herb Jepko, Wally Phillips, and somebody else I can't recall-- I am not at my desk right now. But thanks to everyone who replied. > > From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Wed Apr 19 19:04:34 2006 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:04:34 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> <004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <001b01c66405$9fd72910$a7483518@DG07P241> I'm not sure if Don Imus was mentioned. He was a riot in his early days in NYC with such references as our "Mr. Numb, Station Manager" is now joining us. Many, many funny takes before he became a grouchy old cud chewing host. Most creative and a pioneer with talk. I never caught him in Cleveland in his early days but can only imagine what he was like in the V&C days. Other's I prefer to Imus have been mentioned (Shep was the greatest - period) but perhaps Bob & Ray? Where do we draw the line? Paul CCod From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Apr 19 19:10:55 2006 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:10:55 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> <004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060419190850.025974a0@mac.com> At 06:59 PM 4/19/2006, Roger Kolakowski wrote: >Arthur Godfrey? I wondered about that one too. I seem to recall that he did a midday variety show on WCBS in New York, not a talk show. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 19 20:09:44 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:09:44 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com><004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <7.0.1.0.2.20060419190850.025974a0@mac.com> Message-ID: <006101c6640e$bb758a00$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Funny...as a kid all I could remember was his rambling style that forced me to find other stations to listen to... ;-) Roger WESX 1230 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Re: most important talk show hosts > At 06:59 PM 4/19/2006, Roger Kolakowski wrote: > > >Arthur Godfrey? > > I wondered about that one too. I seem to recall that he did a midday > variety show on WCBS in New York, not a talk show. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 19 20:34:21 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:34:21 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <006101c6640e$bb758a00$0200a8c0@Tanguray> References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> <004001c66404$e580ad20$0200a8c0@Tanguray> <7.0.1.0.2.20060419190850.025974a0@mac.com> <006101c6640e$bb758a00$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604191734y777932aeoaf702fe50ab7afba@mail.gmail.com> The subject of Jean Shepherd came up. I enjoyed a recent book about him, "Excelsior, You Fathead!" and a friend of mine got some videos of his TV shows. We saw 4 episodes of "Shepherd's Pie" from N.J. Public TV (very funny) and my friend also got some episodes of his public TV show Jean Shepherd's America. Many people are enjoying his material, be it the classic "A Christmas Story" (which really SHOULD have won "a major award", and I don't mean a lamp in the shape of a woman's leg!) or various radio shows, comedy albums, et al. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 19 23:05:05 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:05:05 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <4446C221.8313.9EC5F5@localhost> On 19 Apr 2006 at 11:33, Aaron Read wrote: > C'mon guys, nobody's mentioned Howard Stern the King of All Media?? > Who got his start in Boston, no less. Really? Where? When? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Apr 20 01:58:15 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:58:15 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <4446C221.8313.9EC5F5@localhost> References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060420015729.02b15d28@pop.registeredsite.com> Joe Ross asked about Howard Stern's Boston ties-- he first did college radio at BU, I believe. From stevewest106@hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 04:46:43 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:46:43 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20060420015729.02b15d28@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: WNTN 1550, IIRC. Boy wouldn't I like an aircheck of that! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: most important talk show hosts > Joe Ross asked about Howard Stern's Boston ties-- he first did college > radio at BU, I believe. > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 20 05:16:30 2006 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:16:30 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> References: <200604192023.k3JKNTJH030887@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: From: dlh@donnahalper.com Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:44 pm Subject: Re: Re: most important talk show hosts > I put it on two boards-- ours and the broadcast.net board. And I > thought one of us BRI folks mentioned Stern. I am glad somebody > recalled Bob Raleigh, and I am still trying to assess if Larry > Glick was considered just local or if people in other cities know > him. And so far, yes Rush Limbaugh is the most mentioned, but > Howard was mentioned, Larry King, Jerry Williams and Art Bell have > been talked about. Old timers recall Herb Jepko, Wally Phillips, > and somebody else I can't recall-- I am not at my desk right now. > But thanks to everyone who replied. > did we mention Benzaquin and/or Jessup? and Peter Mead did a good job of turning a radio gig into a career. - -Chuck Igo From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 20 06:19:22 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:19:22 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts References: <4446585D.4060404@friedbagels.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20060420015729.02b15d28@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000901c66463$e963a780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> And I've heard that he did a short stint at WNTN, but if so, was it or wasn't it his first gig in commercial radio? I've also heard that he worked briefly at the FM 107.1 in Briarcliffe Manor NY (WRNW?). Which came first, WNTN (assuming he was actually there) or WRNW? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: most important talk show hosts > Joe Ross asked about Howard Stern's Boston ties-- he first did college > radio at BU, I believe. > From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Apr 20 07:57:58 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:57:58 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: > Joe Ross asked about Howard Stern's Boston ties-- he first did > college radio at BU, I believe. Yes, on their closed-circuit campus only student station WTBU. His first gig on actual airwaves was on WNTN 1550 AM in Newton during their progressive AOR incarnation in the early-mid 70's. I listened to WNTN often back then, and I'm sure I must have heard him. I think he sounded like a typical AOR jock at the time. It was many years before he developed his infamous shock talk radio schtick. Eli Polonsky From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 20 09:30:25 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:30:25 -0400 Subject: Sports related: WRKO, Sox rights, playoffs Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604200630wf55a66ci6be91f05b547df9d@mail.gmail.com> Sports related stuff: --Now that the Celts' season is done, will 'RKO move Savage back to 7 pm? Is Taste of Boston just temporary? And if this does happen, what replaces it at 10? Local or syndie (...delayed Glenn Beck? Phil Hendrie?) --I've heard May 1 is the target date for the WCRB/Greater Media deal to be signed, but who knows; Fybush's site said we might not hear on-air changes till the fall. How do the Red Sox figure into this? Some sources say that it's down to WEEI/Entercom and WBOS/Greater Media for the Sox rights, and that CBS (WBCN, WBZ et al) made offers but not worthy enough for the '04 Champions to accept. How does this affect the future of WCRB? Are we waiting for the Sox to make their decision--and if GM is picked, perhaps with the Sox as a partial partner, would it be Sox on WBOS (with current format, or a new one?)...or Sox on 102.5, with maybe WKLB being sold off eventually? One possibility: Sox on 102.5, and WBOS becomes Country 92.9...or Sox on 92.9 and country on 102.5, or WBOS format on 102.5 And maybe Entercom could convince the Sox to stay, but maybe either simulcast them on 93.7 to get that FM stereo sound, or perhaps they could flip 680 and 850-- WEEI 680 with Sox, sports talk WRKO 850 with current talkers, and Celtics next year? --Not that I'm a huge fan, but am curious what station will air the NBA and NHL playoffs, what with the Celts and B's not involved. Maybe ESPN 890/1400?...Or maybe WEEI or WWZN will pick up the _finals_ of the hockey and hoop playoffs, but there would be conflicts with the Sox of course... From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Apr 20 12:29:49 2006 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:29:49 -0400 Subject: Sports related: WRKO, Sox rights, playoffs In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604200630wf55a66ci6be91f05b547df9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604200630wf55a66ci6be91f05b547df9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7faa95947ed65b87c84a9ab1300449ec@comcast.net> On Apr 20, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > --Now that the Celts' season is done, will 'RKO move Savage back to 7 > pm? Is > Taste of Boston just temporary? And if this does happen, what replaces > it at > 10? Local or syndie (...delayed Glenn Beck? Phil Hendrie?) Considering their paltry billings, the last thing WRKO needs is to revert to hardcore syndicated political talk. Sure, it's cheaper to run than a local talent, but WRKO needs to expand (young up) it's listening base. Pandering to it's 45+ angry white male core listenership doesn't accomplish that. > --I've heard May 1 is the target date for the WCRB/Greater Media deal > to > be signed, but who knows; Fybush's site said we might not hear on-air > changes till the fall. How do the Red Sox figure into this? Some > sources > say that it's down to WEEI/Entercom and WBOS/Greater Media for the Sox > rights, > and that CBS (WBCN, WBZ et al) made offers but not worthy enough for > the > '04 Champions to accept. > > How does this affect the future of WCRB? Are we waiting for the Sox to > make > their decision--and if GM is picked, perhaps with the Sox as a partial > partner, > would it be Sox on WBOS (with current format, or a new one?)...or Sox > on > 102.5, with maybe WKLB being sold off eventually? One possibility: Sox > on > 102.5, and WBOS becomes Country 92.9...or Sox on 92.9 and country on > 102.5, > or WBOS format on 102.5 First things first. GM has to acquire WCRB. If they don't and get the Sox rights, WBOS may not be in play at all. Why not put the games on WTKK? Now, if GM does acquire 102.5, that changes the landscape quite a bit. GM would have six stations and would need to divest one. Everyone thinks that WKLB will be the one to go. Not necessarily. The Sox want their games on a clear FM signal that can be picked up in the park. They also want control of the message and the opportunity to make sales deals on their own like they do with NESN and signage. How about this....The Red Sox acquire a 50.1 percent share (controlling interest) in WBOS. That would put GM back to 5 stations that they control, which would keep the FCC happy. Then the Sox take over WBOS and put on their own sports format. GM would get a cut of the action on 92.9 plus the proceeds from the sale. Then GM either moves the AAA format over to 102.5 or signs on a totally different format. I can't see Country moving off of 99.5. The format struggled for years when it was on 105.7 and later 96.9. It began to thrive once it moved to the suburban 99.5 stick--in an area where most of the country listeners reside. > And maybe Entercom could convince the Sox to stay, but maybe either > simulcast > them on 93.7 to get that FM stereo sound, or perhaps they could flip > 680 > and 850-- > > WEEI 680 with Sox, sports talk > WRKO 850 with current talkers, and Celtics next year? I don't think flipping WRKO and WEEI's frequencies would help either station all that much. Both signals are horrible at night in Metrowest, and WEEI is doing just fine as is. Also, 93.7 is a tough pull at Fenway, so putting the games there won't appease the Sox. Besides, WMKK is Entercom's second highest biller so I doubt any changes will happen there. If they do retain the Sox rights, chances are it would be a short term deal and the games would stay on 850, but I could see them also airing on WAAF, which would solve the signal problems in Metrowest. > --Not that I'm a huge fan, but am curious what station will air the NBA > and NHL playoffs, what with the Celts and B's not involved. Maybe > ESPN 890/1400?...Or maybe WEEI or WWZN will pick up the _finals_ > of the hockey and hoop playoffs, but there would be conflicts with the > Sox of course... If ESPN radio holds the rights to either sports playoffs, then 890/1400 will air the games. If not, chances are that WEEI holds the rights locally so few games will wind up getting aired, except at night where there are no Sox conflicts. I doubt that WWZN is in play at all. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 20 14:02:11 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:02:11 -0400 Subject: Sports related: WRKO, Sox rights, playoffs Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604201102l23129b95t4b0e2fda930f4493@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/06, David Tomm wrote: > Considering their paltry billings, the last thing WRKO needs is to > revert to hardcore syndicated political talk. Right, though their listener "base" might prefer to put Savage back at 7 pm and put more politics--or maybe a politics AND lifestyles show--on at 10; not just talking about the issues but things like what are you favorite rock albums, what celebs you find annoying, etc. It's too bad VB fled to Fox 25...bringing back the Pit would be nice. > First things first. GM has to acquire WCRB. If they don't and get the > Sox rights, WBOS may not be in play at all. Why not put the games on > WTKK? I'd think WTKK would be a great fit. Sox games at 7 pm most nights, then some wrap-up talk. I think when Eddie A. signed up to do the WTKK Sun night revival of Sports Huddle (..but displacing Calling All Sports), he did so anticipating that maybe the Sox might wind up on 96.9 and it would be a good fit. You could see Barnicle maybe doing more sports talk on his show, too (w/ Shaughnessy, et al) How about > this....The Red Sox acquire a 50.1 percent share (controlling interest) > in WBOS. That would put GM back to 5 stations that they control, which > would keep the FCC happy. Good thinking: they still control almost half of the station but still fit in with the FCC ownership limit, if the FCC defines ownership as owing more than half of a given station... Then the Sox take over WBOS and put on their > own sports format. GM would get a cut of the action on 92.9 plus the > proceeds from the sale. Then GM either moves the AAA format over to > 102.5 or signs on a totally different format. I can't see Country > moving off of 99.5. The format struggled for years when it was on > 105.7 and later 96.9. It began to thrive once it moved to the suburban > 99.5 stick--in an area where most of the country listeners reside. Agreed--the Andover stick does WKLB well > I don't think flipping WRKO and WEEI's frequencies would help either > station all that much. Both signals are horrible at night in > Metrowest Yes, and that's the problem... , and WEEI is doing just fine as is Yes . Also, 93.7 is a tough > pull at Fenway, so putting the games there won't appease the Sox. I wasn't sure how well 93.7 does at Fenway. the stick is just off Rt 1 and Rt 128 in Peabody and I'd think it'd come in half-decent in Boston, but maybe high buildings limit the signal... > Besides, WMKK is Entercom's second highest biller so I doubt any > changes will happen there. I Unless they would stay with the Mike format and _add the games_, then run ads as "Mike knows the Sox..." Agreed re; WAAF, and on the unlikelihood of NHL/NBA playoff games (except maybe the Finals, and maybe not even then...) on WWZN and WEEI. Not sure if ESPN has the rights (if so, a perfect fit for 890 and 1400). If worse comes to worse, local hoop and hockey fans can try a NY station at night...or eveb in the day if recep isn't bad (here on the North Shore WCBS, WFAN, and some other NY stations do come in faintly during the day) From xtrovato@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 16:08:15 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:08:15 -0400 Subject: WRKO Oldie album on Ebay..... Message-ID: <03c901c664b6$731c5560$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Anyone interested in this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4868990745&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Item number: 4868990745 This could be a collectors item for any oldies fan, or fan of the old Top 40 radio stations. (Or if you grew up listening to "The Big 68" - WRKO.) WRKO was a powerhouse radio station in the Boston area in the late 60's & 70's. Like a lot of Top 40 stations in their heydey, they would occaisionally put out a compilation album with some of the top hits (Now great "Golden Oldies!). This album cobver has some Boston images. A pic of Fanuil Hall and the statue of Paul Revere on the cover. The back cover has an image of Government Center where WRKO was located. The inside of the album (it folds open-close) has all of the DJ's who were on WRKO at the time Shadoe Stevens - Bobby Mitchel (aka Frank Kingston Knight) - Gary Martin - Jerry Butler - Joel Cash and the zany (and skinny!) Dale Dorman. Discs are in pretty good condition. THe album cover is in pretty good condition too. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4868990745&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 I don't know if the link works right....but it's Item number: 4868990745 From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 20 17:03:50 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:03:50 -0600 Subject: WRKO Oldie album on Ebay..... Message-ID: >>Bobby Mitchel (aka Frank Kingston Knight)<< Er, no. That would be Frank Kingston Smith. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Apr 20 18:28:53 2006 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:28:53 -0400 Subject: WRKO Oldie album on Ebay..... Message-ID: <200604201828.AA767426662@mail.ttlc.net> "Sid Schweiger" wrote >>>Bobby Mitchel (aka Frank Kingston Knight)<< > >Er, no. That would be Frank Kingston Smith. Actually, it's Frank Kingston Smith, JR. From SonnyDaye1@aol.com Thu Apr 20 21:59:08 2006 From: SonnyDaye1@aol.com (SonnyDaye1@aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:59:08 -0400 Subject: most important talk show hosts Message-ID: <402B126C.163B49E6.0CE337EB@aol.com> Can't believe no one has mentioned Joey Reynolds. Also Steve Fredericks who I think took over Jerry Williams chair when he left MEX. Someone did mention Paul Benzaquin. To me, these guys were the best, and hopefully influential. Joey is still going strong overnights on WOR and a string of stations around the country. I heard a rumor that SOME station in the Boston area is FINALLY bringing Joey's show to this area, but no one can tell me what station. Anyone? -Sonny Daye ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 22:59:34 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: most important talk show hosts In-Reply-To: <402B126C.163B49E6.0CE337EB@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060421025934.84290.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lovell Diet gets my vote. He has been on WBZ since I was in High School in the early 1970's. Since my high school of 3200 students had a grand total of 2 African American students in the entire school, Lovell's show gave an exposure to the issues of the Black Community, much more than I got growing up in Nashua NH. That's personally "important" to me being a mix of French Canadienne, Native American, and Scottish growing up in a city of French, Greek, Polish, and Lithuanian cultures. John B Derry From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 04:19:08 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:19:08 -0400 Subject: Herald: WBOS has edge in race for Sox rights Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604210119l7ea8a68drd6a6c0348c7a5c9d@mail.gmail.com> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=136044 "The Boston Red Sox are within days of announcing a blockbuster multimillion-dollar radio-rights deal that could dramatically reshuffle the team's broadcast lineup, executives close to the deal said. "The Sox are in ninth-inning negotiations with media companies vying for the deal, with Greater Media's WBOS-FM (92.9) having an edge, executives said. An agreement could be announced early next week, if not sooner, executives said. "The price could hit $14 million per year. Sources say both Greater Media and Entercom, whose WEEI-AM (850) is the incumbent, have offered that much. But Entercom is said to be offering cash, while Greater Media would provide both cash and a substantial equity stake in WBOS." From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 21 07:45:11 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:45:11 -0400 Subject: WKOXKS to carry Mike Malloy--live! Message-ID: <003101c66539$142d6b60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Just heard the promo for the first time. Malloy airs live on the network from 10:00 AM to 1:00 AM EDT. Not clear from the promo whether the Boston-area stations will be carrying all three hours or whether they will carry only the first hour and move Jerry Springer to 11:00 PM to 2:00 AM and Majority Report to 2:00 AM to 5:00 AM, ending the Randi Rhodes reruns from 4:00 AM to 5:00 AM. Regardless, it's good news. Malloy is NOT an Ed Schultz kind of liberal. Nor--in what I've heard in reruns--does he lose control and start talking gibberish as Rhodes seems to be doing more and more these days. For quite some time, Air America's New York affiliate, WLIB, had cut Malloy back to 10:00 PM to midnight--having brokered out midnight to 5:00 AM. Now WLIB has extended the brokered time to 10:00 PM, doing away with Malloy's entire show. Good to know that, for however long Malloy's show lasts here, Boston (or those parts where WKOXKS is audible at night) will be getting at least an hour of Malloy live each night. I don't think I've heard Malloy do any interviews. AirAmerica could sure use a decent interviewer. Rhodes and Franken don't have interviewing skills! You don't bring a guest in to get him or her to say what you thought he/she was going to say and then do all the talking (including interrupting/cutting off the guest) when you discover that the interviewee is not going to make your point. Disagreeing with the interviewee is one thing; trying to talk him or her down is something else; it's WRONG. Randi Rhodes' "interview" of ex-senator Gary Hart yesterday was a disaster for just this reason. Sen Hart very politely tried to get her to let him talk and by the end, I think Randi was suitably embarassed at her own ineptitude, but her embarassment came too late to save the interview. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From francini@mac.com Fri Apr 21 10:58:27 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: Herald: WBOS has edge in race for Sox rights In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604210119l7ea8a68drd6a6c0348c7a5c9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604210119l7ea8a68drd6a6c0348c7a5c9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23F69337-7B4E-41C6-80E5-EBF2E14E9389@mac.com> "Say it ain't so, Joe!" Frankly, I'd *still* prefer the Sox to stay Right Where They Are, with Entercom, and on WEEI. (Though a simulcast on one of their strong FMs wouldn't hurt, either, and would nullify the "signal" advantage of Greater Media's WBOS. I also would really hate to have the Red Sox have complete editorial control over what gets said about them on the station carrying their games. One of the virtues of their being on WEEI right now is that the talk hosts aren't afraid to criticize or make fun of on- and off- field Sox events when necessary to hold them to account. Yes, it makes the Sox brass edgy and nervous. As they should be. We aren't "our team do or die" fans; we analyze and dissect everything -- EVERYTHING -- that happens with this team; we drain the teacup and then analyze the tea leaves to see what they could possibly mean. Boston is the last place that needs a 'propaganda machine' for its baseball flagship radio station. I'd also like to see the WCRB deal fail, because I would hate to see the Boston FM dial lose its only full-time classical station. John On 21 Apr 2006, at 4:19, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=136044 > > "The Boston Red Sox are within days of announcing a blockbuster > multimillion-dollar radio-rights deal that could dramatically > reshuffle the team's broadcast lineup, executives close to the deal > said. > > "The Sox are in ninth-inning negotiations with media companies vying > for the deal, with Greater Media's WBOS-FM (92.9) having an edge, > executives said. An agreement could be announced early next week, if > not sooner, executives said. > > "The price could hit $14 million per year. Sources say both Greater > Media and Entercom, whose WEEI-AM (850) is the incumbent, have offered > that much. But Entercom is said to be offering cash, while Greater > Media would provide both cash and a substantial equity stake in WBOS." > From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Apr 21 11:05:14 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:05:14 -0400 Subject: Herald: WBOS has edge in race for Sox rights In-Reply-To: <23F69337-7B4E-41C6-80E5-EBF2E14E9389@mac.com> Message-ID: <00a301c66554$ff05db70$6500a8c0@Office> agreed. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Francini Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:58 AM To: Bob Nelson Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Herald: WBOS has edge in race for Sox rights "Say it ain't so, Joe!" Frankly, I'd *still* prefer the Sox to stay Right Where They Are, with Entercom, and on WEEI. (Though a simulcast on one of their strong FMs wouldn't hurt, either, and would nullify the "signal" advantage of Greater Media's WBOS. I also would really hate to have the Red Sox have complete editorial control over what gets said about them on the station carrying their games. One of the virtues of their being on WEEI right now is that the talk hosts aren't afraid to criticize or make fun of on- and off- field Sox events when necessary to hold them to account. Yes, it makes the Sox brass edgy and nervous. As they should be. We aren't "our team do or die" fans; we analyze and dissect everything -- EVERYTHING -- that happens with this team; we drain the teacup and then analyze the tea leaves to see what they could possibly mean. Boston is the last place that needs a 'propaganda machine' for its baseball flagship radio station. I'd also like to see the WCRB deal fail, because I would hate to see the Boston FM dial lose its only full-time classical station. John On 21 Apr 2006, at 4:19, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=136044 > > "The Boston Red Sox are within days of announcing a blockbuster > multimillion-dollar radio-rights deal that could dramatically > reshuffle the team's broadcast lineup, executives close to the deal > said. > > "The Sox are in ninth-inning negotiations with media companies vying > for the deal, with Greater Media's WBOS-FM (92.9) having an edge, > executives said. An agreement could be announced early next week, if > not sooner, executives said. > > "The price could hit $14 million per year. Sources say both Greater > Media and Entercom, whose WEEI-AM (850) is the incumbent, have offered > that much. But Entercom is said to be offering cash, while Greater > Media would provide both cash and a substantial equity stake in WBOS." > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 From ssmyth@suscom.net Fri Apr 21 12:13:58 2006 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:13:58 -0400 Subject: Herald: WBOS has edge in race for Sox rights In-Reply-To: <23F69337-7B4E-41C6-80E5-EBF2E14E9389@mac.com> References: <1fbbbced0604210119l7ea8a68drd6a6c0348c7a5c9d@mail.gmail.com> <23F69337-7B4E-41C6-80E5-EBF2E14E9389@mac.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:58:27 -0400 John Francini wrote: >I also would really hate to have the Red Sox have complete >editorial control over what gets said about them on the >station carrying their games. One of the virtues of their >being on WEEI right now is that the talk hosts aren't afraid >to criticize or make fun of on- and off- field Sox events when >necessary to hold them to account. I seem to remember that Eddie Andelman's poking of the Sox was one of the reasons the team bolted WHDH in the mid-'80s and went to Campbell Sports. Of course, I may be wrong on this. Teams exercising editorial control over content is nothing new. Have we already forgotten about the Celtics' ownership of WEEI and Fox 25? The Flyers threatened to bolt WIP a few years ago; the team openly complained about the coverage on the station. The Cardinals left KMOX for a deal similiar to what has been proposed with Greater Media and the Sox, buying half of KTRS. Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder purportedly is buying a bunch of Washington rimshotters to build his own Redskins sports talk network. As far as I know, the current Sox management team hasn't said anything -- yet -- that would indicate it has any issues with WEEI's treatment of the team. From markwats@comcast.net Fri Apr 21 16:33:05 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:33:05 -0400 Subject: CBS Shows David Lee Roth The Door Message-ID: <002301c66582$cddd3ce0$19b38018@Mark> Rumor becomes reality as CBS Radio has fired ex-Van Halen member turned radio host David Lee Roth today, and also announced that XM satellite radio hosts Opie & Anthony will be Roth's replacement on WBCN, as well as in New York, Philadelphia, and four other markets. The first three hours of Opie & Anthony will be simulcast on the 7 terrestrial stations and XM, with the final two hours airing only on XM. Here's a link to an Associated Press story on this on the Boston Globe website: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/04/21/its_official_david_lee_roth_exits_radio/ Mark Watson From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Apr 22 13:58:57 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:58:57 -0500 Subject: NH Public Radio Flagship Undergoing Maintenance Message-ID: <20060422175857.10408E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> On Friday, April 21st, I noticed that reception of WEVO-FM 89.1 in Concord, NH was very poor on my car radio. When I checked my home receiver, I could see that there was almost no reading (WEVS-FM 88.3 was normal). Today (05/22) NHPR ran announcement that WEVO was undergoing transmitter maintenance, and at about noon today the signal was stronger. In the days before $3.00 a gallon gas, I might have scooted up to Long Pond Rd in Concord, NH to see if a new antenna or something was being installed, but no longer. (Even now, I probably won't go over to the Oak Hill Park section of Newton, Mass until I happen to be travelling in that area anyway. The new AM 1200/1330/1600 towers may be up by then). BTW, I checked the FCC web site to see if WEVO had some kind of construction permit, and I see that they are using a non-directional antenna. I seem to recall that their original permit was to operate with a DIRECTIONAL antenna but I don't know what station it was supposed to protect. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Apr 22 14:15:58 2006 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:15:58 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP Message-ID: <013b01c66638$ce7f9fb0$6500a8c0@Office> Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP for a limited 7-week engagement (end of Hockey season til the Lowell Spinners baseball season starts). First show is tonight 7 - 10pm - live from Gary's Ice Cream & Caf? on Merrimack Street in downtown Lowell. Come on down - it'll be like the 60's......oldies music, burgers, fries, onion rings...and more..... -Gary Francis WCAP - 980am -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 4/21/2006 From markwats@comcast.net Sat Apr 22 14:29:25 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:29:25 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP References: <013b01c66638$ce7f9fb0$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <00ad01c6663a$b1508ba0$19b38018@Mark> Gary Francis wrote: > Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP for a limited 7-week engagement > (end > of Hockey season til the Lowell Spinners baseball season starts). > > First show is tonight 7 - 10pm - live from Gary's Ice Cream & Caf? on > Merrimack Street in downtown Lowell. And may I add (with no offense meant towards Maurice Cohen, WCAP owner), a much better choice to fill 3 hours of prime Saturday night airtime than another airing of "The Best of Dr. Joy Browne". I'll be stopping by tonight, looking forward to hearing the "correct" single versions of "Time Is On My Side" by the Rolling Stones (organ intro, as opposed to the LP stereo version that Oldies 103.3 beats into the ground) and "Leaning On The Lamp Post" by Herman's Hermits. (has that ever been played on Oldies 103.3)? Mark Watson Mark Watson From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 15:29:59 2006 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:29:59 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP References: <013b01c66638$ce7f9fb0$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <005301c66644$6e596740$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "Gary's Ice Cream" >> Come on down - it'll be like the 60's......oldies music, burgers, fries, >> onion rings...and more..... Come to think of it... The 60's was the last time I could EAT food like....Burgers, Fries and Onion Rings! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Apr 22 16:13:18 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:13:18 -0400 Subject: Herald: Sox radio move may shake airwaves Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604221313w7743db9aw146cbf1bb85335b@mail.gmail.com> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=136170 "Moving the Red Sox radio rights to the FM dial could drastically alter Boston's sports radio landscape, industry observers said yesterday...All indications are that the Sox are closing in on a deal with Greater Media-owned WBOS-FM (92.9)... Red Sox brass remained mum yesterday." "Among the names bandied about are former WEEI midday host Bob Neumeier - now host of NESN's "Boston Globe Sportsplus.," Neumeier is seen by some as a possible WBOS morning talker, while Sox fan Mike Barnicle could head down the dial from sister station WTKK-FM (96.9), perhaps in the afternoon." From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Apr 22 17:01:10 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:01:10 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP In-Reply-To: <005301c66644$6e596740$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <013b01c66638$ce7f9fb0$6500a8c0@Office> <005301c66644$6e596740$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604221401t7654aa4ek1abbf4e9b3b1e1cc@mail.gmail.com> Interesting to hear some of these songs! Last weekend while visiting my Dad on the Cape, I caught Ron Dwyer's show on WCIB and he played an extended version of "Reach Out I'll Be There"--I did some research and found it was from "The Motown Box". Not sure if it was something done back in the 60s, or was a more recent remix of the classic tune. Anyway, always fun to hear some oldies, especially those not often heard. (When I trade tapes/audio files I like to get stuff like the Sunday morning oldies show on CHUM/Toronto, etc.) From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Apr 22 23:43:26 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:43:26 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Sock Hop returns to WCAP In-Reply-To: <005301c66644$6e596740$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <444ABF9E.12571.1D92B@localhost> On 22 Apr 2006 at 15:29, R Trovato wrote: > Come to think of it... > > The 60's was the last time I could EAT food like....Burgers, Fries and > Onion Rings! Same here! And I'll bet increasing numbers of the people who show up aren't wearing socks, either! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From stevewest106@hotmail.com Sun Apr 23 03:02:05 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:02:05 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday References: <444ABF9E.12571.1D92B@localhost> Message-ID: Hello all! To our esteemed moderator, I hope this isn't too far off topic and I'll only mention it once. There's been a coup and shakeup at radio-info.com. It's a long story but the info is posted at www.radiobb.com. Essentially, the founder was kicked out by the parents of the late financial backer who died last summer. All of us moderators had our credentials revoked and they told us to reapply. Most of us, inlcuding me, have tendered resignations instead. They apparently had someone hack the site and steal most of the code because they pulled the domain off the server that the founder had been paying on and re-launched the site with a similar looking board, only with all access removed for the existing admin staff. Sneaky, sneaky. Happened late Saturday afternoon. A new discussion board/site launches sometime tomorrow (Sunday) PM with better security that Radio-Info.com had and we'll have much more control over things. I know most of you on this list have been there on occasion and probably noticed it was a free-for-all. I think the new site will have that problem solved. Go to radiobb.com for more info. Garrett... my apologies, I don't usually send out these kinds of emails but I hope you'll let this one fly, it's a one time mention, and I know we're all loyal to this list so it's really not competition... I hope :). Thanks to all for taking the time to read. I'm good friends with the founder so I got the info you wanna know :) Steve "West" out in Western Mass. (list member since the 90s) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Apr 23 08:01:22 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:01:22 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <444ABF9E.12571.1D92B@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604230501g7f41faceq7c3ada93ccc5d45b@mail.gmail.com> I was replying to a post on radio-info about the future of the Red Sox rights/WBOS, etc. (as in, "if Entercom moved WEEI to 93.7 FM, maybe they could keep the Sox?") but my post wouldn't show up, and I quickly found that radio-info wasn't working. A few moments later I logged in and the new board showed up, with posts going up to April 20th and instructions for members to reapply but with a different password. Tried to do this but couldn't get the confirmation email to show up. So I re-applied and got in, but had to change my ID to racradio from raccoonradio-- as the "coon" part was not acceptable. Yes, that is a slang word offensive to some, but my use of "raccoon" referred to the animal. Oh well. The site had a message from "Doug's mom" and there was a bit of a re-design; I may have been the first to post there successfully. A disclaimer said that the opinions expressed on the board were those of the members and "many... are just plain wrong". Well, radio-info has been a good resource and I hope it'll continue to be that but it's a shame if moderators were rudely kicked off in this takeover. There _was_ a post I saw just before the takeover from a moderator (maybe Steve) basically saying "I'm out of here..." I hadn't heard of radiobb.com--looks like a blog. Will read the posting about the takeover. Oh, and the new version of radio-info debuted around midnight, 1 am, something like that From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Apr 23 09:31:21 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:31:21 -0400 Subject: cross ownership (newspapers/radio) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604230631o7c8c5d53kbeecddeb6ea0d306@mail.gmail.com> I'm guessing the newspaper/radio-TV cross ownership rules set by the FCC are still in effect--a paper can't own a radio station in its same city unless there's a special waiver. (I notice WFNX is owned by "Mcc Broadcasting"--as in Stephen Mindich, Phoenix owner? Not sure if Mcc Broadcasting is considered a separate company, or if there's a waiver...maybe the fact that the Phoenix is a weekly paper not a daily?) Will we ever see Boston Globe Radio or Boston Herald Radio? In the nation's capital, we see a newspaper _running_ a station, WTWP at 1500 (also at FM 107.7). A few weeks back the old WTOP moved to 103.5 FM and 820 AM, and Bonneville unveiled "Washington Post Radio" at 1500/107.7. So maybe this is how the Post gets around the cross-ownership rule, by putting its people on a station owned by a separate company, Bonneville. Now imagine this: Greater Media sells off 51 per cent of WBOS to the Red Sox, as some are guessing. You would have the majority (barely) of the station owned by an entity which is, in turn, owned partially by the Globe's parent company, the New York Times. The Globe can put its people on WBOS and create... WBOS 92.9 Boston Globe Radio It would have a mixture of news, talk, and sports talk and of course Red Sox games. Station owned by _Red Sox_, not the Globe, with Greater Media as minority owner. This gets around the cross-ownership rule, as it's the ballclub owning the station, not the paper (the paper's parent in Gotham owns 17 per cent of the team). The Globe gets to prod more interest in the paper by putting its product on the radio (as they already do with NECN...and with NESN's Sox pre- and postgame shows). Just a thought...the Globe could get their own radio station by a partnership with Greater Media, with the owners being Red Sox (majority) and GM (minority). From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sun Apr 23 10:47:33 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:47:33 +0000 Subject: WCRN-0.830 Dumping Oldies For...TALK! Message-ID: <444B9385.2080605@Gmail.com> According to R&R, WCRN is picking up Laura Ingraham, Jerry Doyle and Michael Savage: http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_04_21/syndicationscorecard.asp ~=Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Apr 23 12:03:38 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:03:38 -0400 Subject: WCRN-0.830 Dumping Oldies For...TALK! In-Reply-To: <444B9385.2080605@Gmail.com> References: <444B9385.2080605@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604230903h29ce6fadvb68f5b06ecbe3f5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/06, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > According to R&R, WCRN is picking up Laura Ingraham, Jerry Doyle and > Michael Savage: I figured that might happen--WCRN has a pretty good signal both day and night and I figured they'd be a prime candidate for talk (most likely conservative, given the Carter Broadcasting religious/political bent...wonder if Air America ever approached them about affiliating, given the signal) or maybe sports talk though there's more than enough of that around here and could be more what with the possible Sox move to FM. WNSH up here on the North Shore went (back) to conservatalk a couple months back, with two of those hosts (they wound up getting Michael _Reagan_ instead of Savage, though). I would guess Ingraham, Doyle, and Savage would all run live instead of tape delayed but who knows. From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Apr 23 14:09:40 2006 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:09:40 -0500 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday Message-ID: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Steve West" , raccoonradio@gmail.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:01:22 -0400 > > > I was replying to a post on radio-info about the future of the Red Sox > rights/WBOS, etc. > (as in, "if Entercom moved WEEI to 93.7 FM, maybe they could keep the > Sox?") but my post wouldn't show up, and I quickly found that > radio-info wasn't working. A few moments later I logged in and the new > board showed up, with posts going up to April 20th and instructions > for members to reapply but with a different password. Tried to do this > but couldn't get the confirmation email to show up. > I just posted an item using my long-time ID without any problems... it seems to be working a skosh faster. I checked Northern New England and New York City and everything appears to be the same. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From blaine@well.com Sun Apr 23 14:30:36 2006 From: blaine@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:30:36 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday In-Reply-To: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <444BC7CC.4050304@well.com> I see no posts about resigning moderators, nothing from Mrs. Fleming, etc. My login works just fine. Strange. Blaine Thompson From brian@tophour.net Sun Apr 23 14:50:25 2006 From: brian@tophour.net (brian@tophour.net) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday In-Reply-To: <444BC7CC.4050304@well.com> References: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <444BC7CC.4050304@well.com> Message-ID: <1922.216.170.131.108.1145818225.squirrel@www.tophour.net> > I see no posts about resigning moderators, nothing from Mrs. Fleming, > etc. My login works just fine. Strange. I don't believe the new address has propagated entirely through the system yet. I get the new site at home and the old site at work. There aren't any posts about resigning mods on the new site that I've seen. While I think I'd probably stop well short of calling it a "hostile takeover," I don't believe I'm "reapplying" for my mod gig. I have a rule about not applying for a job I already have, and this thing's gonna get *ugly*. -b From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Apr 23 15:01:22 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday References: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002801c66708$536d2920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Either radio-info.com is up only fitfully or it is being selective about whom it allows in. I read your message here and tried to access the site. I cannot. An earlier attempt elicited a message that said maintenenace was being conducted and told me to try again later (where later was not defined). My latest four attempts did not elicit any message--just a stalled progress bar, that, on one occasion, turned--after a long wait--into a 404--Not found page. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Steve West" ; Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Nelson" > > To: "Steve West" , raccoonradio@gmail.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:01:22 -0400 > > > > > > I was replying to a post on radio-info about the future of the Red Sox > > rights/WBOS, etc. > > (as in, "if Entercom moved WEEI to 93.7 FM, maybe they could keep the > > Sox?") but my post wouldn't show up, and I quickly found that > > radio-info wasn't working. A few moments later I logged in and the new > > board showed up, with posts going up to April 20th and instructions > > for members to reapply but with a different password. Tried to do this > > but couldn't get the confirmation email to show up. > > > I just posted an item using my long-time ID without any problems... > it seems to be working a skosh faster. I checked Northern New England and > New York City and everything appears to be the same. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Apr 23 15:11:44 2006 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:11:44 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday In-Reply-To: <002801c66708$536d2920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <200604231911.k3NJBtBk075130@rolinin.bostonradio.org> I couldn't get on earlier either. Best, Anthony Schinella CEO/PD/A&E WKXL 1450 AM XL Marketing Concord, NH http://www.wkxl1450.com http://politizine.blogspot.com WKXL: Winner of six 2005 Golden Mike Awards - more than any other radio station in New Hampshire! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:01 PM To: Laurence Glavin; Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday Either radio-info.com is up only fitfully or it is being selective about whom it allows in. I read your message here and tried to access the site. I cannot. An earlier attempt elicited a message that said maintenenace was being conducted and told me to try again later (where later was not defined). My latest four attempts did not elicit any message--just a stalled progress bar, that, on one occasion, turned--after a long wait--into a 404--Not found page. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Steve West" ; Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Nelson" > > To: "Steve West" , raccoonradio@gmail.com, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:01:22 -0400 > > > > > > I was replying to a post on radio-info about the future of the Red > > Sox rights/WBOS, etc. > > (as in, "if Entercom moved WEEI to 93.7 FM, maybe they could keep > > the > > Sox?") but my post wouldn't show up, and I quickly found that > > radio-info wasn't working. A few moments later I logged in and the > > new board showed up, with posts going up to April 20th and > > instructions for members to reapply but with a different password. > > Tried to do this but couldn't get the confirmation email to show up. > > > I just posted an item using my long-time ID without any problems... > it seems to be working a skosh faster. I checked Northern New England and > New York City and everything appears to be the same. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From stevewest106@hotmail.com Sun Apr 23 16:04:20 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:04:20 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday References: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <002801c66708$536d2920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: I can't get in either. There are several possible reasons for this, not the least of which is that they have probably crashed the database by adding in the 100,000 old posts that Lance and Sam removed a few months ago to speed things up. Not a good sign for them. They also could be trying a new script but since I'm not associated with them anymore I can only speculate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > Either radio-info.com is up only fitfully or it is being selective about > whom it allows in. I read your message here and tried to access the site. > I > cannot. An earlier attempt elicited a message that said maintenenace was > being conducted and told me to try again later (where later was not > defined). My latest four attempts did not elicit any message--just a > stalled > progress bar, that, on one occasion, turned--after a long wait--into a > 404--Not found page. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Steve West" > ; > > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bob Nelson" >> > To: "Steve West" , raccoonradio@gmail.com, > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >> > Subject: Re: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday >> > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:01:22 -0400 >> > >> > >> > I was replying to a post on radio-info about the future of the Red Sox >> > rights/WBOS, etc. >> > (as in, "if Entercom moved WEEI to 93.7 FM, maybe they could keep the >> > Sox?") but my post wouldn't show up, and I quickly found that >> > radio-info wasn't working. A few moments later I logged in and the new >> > board showed up, with posts going up to April 20th and instructions >> > for members to reapply but with a different password. Tried to do this >> > but couldn't get the confirmation email to show up. >> > >> I just posted an item using my long-time ID without any problems... >> it seems to be working a skosh faster. I checked Northern New England > and >> New York City and everything appears to be the same. >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow > Pages >> >> > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp > ?SRC=lycos10 >> >> > > > > > > From stevewest106@hotmail.com Sun Apr 23 19:32:54 2006 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:32:54 -0400 Subject: New discussion site now online References: <20060423180940.2A9563384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com><002801c66708$536d2920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: Our replacement site for radio info is www.radioinsight.com. Come check it out. It launched about 30 minutes ago. I now return you to your normal list activity... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Apr 23 23:09:36 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:09:36 -0400 Subject: BRW: Done deal: Sox to WBOS Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604232009m6230b572td5c9c9ebe4beb370@mail.gmail.com> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com "Radio bases loaded : Sox to change channels "Red Sox, Entercom, and Greater Media are all about to end playing hardball any minute now. While Sox and Greater Media managements remains mum, some of their personnel are now openly bragging around town that the Sox broadcasts will move from WEEI AM 850 after 12 years. The shortly-to-be-announced "done deal" has the Sox purchasing a majority interest in WBOS 92.9FM with Greater Media retaining a remaining share of the station. A Sox source tells BRW that the deal may be announced as soon as Monday(4/24)." From charlieprofit@cabradio.com Sun Apr 23 15:41:56 2006 From: charlieprofit@cabradio.com (Charlie Profit) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:56 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com In-Reply-To: <200604231911.k3NJBtBk075130@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <200604231942.k3NJg5tu075264@rolinin.bostonradio.org> If Garret allows me to, I will provide you all with some information regarding Radio-Info.com that has been misreported on various blogs. I am awaiting his reply to an email I sent him. I did not want to abuse this list. In the mean time, feel free to email me off list. Charlie Profit Cabradio General Manager WXCT AM 990 Southington, CT http://www.talkradio990.com http://www.charlieprofit.com From me@billoneill.us Sun Apr 23 19:35:17 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:35:17 -0400 Subject: Tic tic tic... Message-ID: <444C0F35.1060301@billoneill.us> Listening to CBS's 60 Minutes on WBZ. In the stylings of Andy Rooney, did you ever notice what happens to that ticking clock sound effect when it's run through the WBZ processing? Let's just say it gets your attention. Just like my collection of loud watches I have ticking on my desk here.... Bill O'Neill -- If at first you don't succeed then skydiving is not for you. From scott@fybush.com Mon Apr 24 00:42:37 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:42:37 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info hostile takeover; new site launching Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <444ABF9E.12571.1D92B@localhost> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060424004207.03f15c50@gwind.pair.com> At 03:02 AM 4/23/2006, Steve West wrote: >Garrett... my apologies, I don't usually send out these kinds of emails >but I hope you'll let this one fly, it's a one time mention, and I know >we're all loyal to this list so it's really not competition... I hope :). Garrett won't even know about it until Tuesday. He's out here in Vegas at NAB, as am I :-) s From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Apr 24 10:15:28 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BRW: Done deal: Sox to WBOS In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604232009m6230b572td5c9c9ebe4beb370@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604232009m6230b572td5c9c9ebe4beb370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29285.12.37.144.130.1145888128.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Sun, April 23, 2006 23:09, Bob Nelson said: >The shortly-to-be-announced "done deal" has the Sox purchasing > a majority interest in WBOS 92.9FM with Greater Media retaining a > remaining share of the station. Well, that bloody sucks. I like tuning in WBOS-FM when I'm up in Boston. Now, what's going to happen? Does the AAA-Rock format get dumped for wall-to-wall Sox and Sports-Talk? I sure hope not. :( -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Apr 24 10:17:36 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tic tic tic... In-Reply-To: <444C0F35.1060301@billoneill.us> References: <444C0F35.1060301@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <33011.12.37.144.130.1145888256.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Sun, April 23, 2006 19:35, Bill O'Neill said: > did you ever notice what happens to that ticking clock sound effect when > it's run through the WBZ processing? Well, if they have IBOC running, does it sound like this" Tick-hisss-Tick-hisss-Tick-hisss-Tick-hisss? I admit. I'm no fan of IBOC on AM radio. ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 14:14:47 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... Message-ID: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While traveling home from Poughkeepsie Saturday night along the NYS Thruway, I stopped at a rest area and noticed something interesting that didn't hit me right away. There was a bus stopped there that was emblazoned with the 98.1 CHOI Radio X logo (CHOI Quebec City, which nearly lost its broadcast license recently) on both sides and the back. At first, I was quite surprised to see a bus from Quebec City so far south into the US, much less from a radio station as infamous as CHOI. But then I got to thinking - does CHOI actually own their own bus for concert trips and whatnot?? I would think they might be renting it, but the graphics on the bus seemed a bit too high quality for a bus that someone does not own outright. Is this a common practice for stations in major markets owning their own buses like this, or am I losing my mind. Also, what makes this even more interesting is that Quebec City, IIRC, is *not* considered one of the major broadcast markets in Canada, so if CHOI does, in fact, own their own bus, their station revenues must be absolutely astronomical. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From francini@mac.com Mon Apr 24 15:11:45 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:11:45 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <746B6E59-BE25-4992-8A88-4779F009DDB9@mac.com> More likely, they commissioned a "wrap" on a bus owned by some bus company or bus authority, and it's purely for advertising purposes. There are buses and Green Line trolleys here in Boston that are similarly wrapped for advertising purposes. Turns the entire vehicle into a giant billboard for that product/service. j On 24 Apr 2006, at 14:14, Matthew Osborne wrote: > While traveling home from Poughkeepsie Saturday night > along the NYS Thruway, I stopped at a rest area and > noticed something interesting that didn't hit me right > away. There was a bus stopped there that was > emblazoned with the 98.1 CHOI Radio X logo (CHOI > Quebec City, which nearly lost its broadcast license > recently) on both sides and the back. At first, I was > quite surprised to see a bus from Quebec City so far > south into the US, much less from a radio station as > infamous as CHOI. But then I got to thinking - does > CHOI actually own their own bus for concert trips and > whatnot?? I would think they might be renting it, but > the graphics on the bus seemed a bit too high quality > for a bus that someone does not own outright. Is this > a common practice for stations in major markets owning > their own buses like this, or am I losing my mind. > Also, what makes this even more interesting is that > Quebec City, IIRC, is *not* considered one of the > major broadcast markets in Canada, so if CHOI does, in > fact, own their own bus, their station revenues must > be absolutely astronomical. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Apr 24 15:51:10 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <746B6E59-BE25-4992-8A88-4779F009DDB9@mac.com> References: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <746B6E59-BE25-4992-8A88-4779F009DDB9@mac.com> Message-ID: <13485.12.37.144.130.1145908270.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Mon, April 24, 2006 15:11, John Francini said: > More likely, they commissioned a "wrap" on a bus owned by some bus > company or bus authority, and it's purely for advertising purposes. That's my thought also. It's annoying, the wrap does obscure your view out the windows when you're on the bus. Those things are basically heat-shrink and contact paper. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Apr 24 16:14:37 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:14:37 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... References: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <746B6E59-BE25-4992-8A88-4779F009DDB9@mac.com> Message-ID: <002c01c667db$bbefee00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I think wraps are also much less expensive than special paint jobs with lots of lettering and are probably easier to change than are paint jobs when the contract expires. I notice that, except in cases of fancy graphics, wraps remain the exception on most medium and large trucks, but wraps were used on the cars that a few radio stations "gave away" four or five years ago to listeners who agreed to have their vehicles become rolling advertisements for radio stations. I haven't seen a wrapped car in several years now, though. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: "Matthew Osborne" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... > More likely, they commissioned a "wrap" on a bus owned by some bus > company or bus authority, and it's purely for advertising purposes. > > There are buses and Green Line trolleys here in Boston that are > similarly wrapped for advertising purposes. Turns the entire vehicle > into a giant billboard for that product/service. > > j > > On 24 Apr 2006, at 14:14, Matthew Osborne wrote: > > > While traveling home from Poughkeepsie Saturday night > > along the NYS Thruway, I stopped at a rest area and > > noticed something interesting that didn't hit me right > > away. There was a bus stopped there that was > > emblazoned with the 98.1 CHOI Radio X logo (CHOI > > Quebec City, which nearly lost its broadcast license > > recently) on both sides and the back. At first, I was > > quite surprised to see a bus from Quebec City so far > > south into the US, much less from a radio station as > > infamous as CHOI. But then I got to thinking - does > > CHOI actually own their own bus for concert trips and > > whatnot?? I would think they might be renting it, but > > the graphics on the bus seemed a bit too high quality > > for a bus that someone does not own outright. Is this > > a common practice for stations in major markets owning > > their own buses like this, or am I losing my mind. > > Also, what makes this even more interesting is that > > Quebec City, IIRC, is *not* considered one of the > > major broadcast markets in Canada, so if CHOI does, in > > fact, own their own bus, their station revenues must > > be absolutely astronomical. > > > > Matt Osborne > > Schenectady, NY > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 24 16:20:20 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:20:20 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... References: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c667dc$84f5dfd0$19b38018@Mark> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... Matt Osborne wrote: > While traveling home from Poughkeepsie Saturday night > along the NYS Thruway, I stopped at a rest area and > noticed something interesting that didn't hit me right > away. There was a bus stopped there that was > emblazoned with the 98.1 CHOI Radio X logo (CHOI > Quebec City, which nearly lost its broadcast license > recently) on both sides and the back. Depending on the type of bus, if it was a motorcoach, which is more comfortable in terms of seating and also designed for longer trips, it may have been on a private trip or charter as it's called in the bus industry, and CHOI may have paid the bus company to advertise on this bus. If it was a city or transit bus, it may have been on it's way to or from a bus manufacturer (there is one in NY State that makes transit buses) although I don't believe buses leave the factory wrapped in an advertisement. And to elaborate a bit on John Francicn's reply, radio stations, TV stations, and other businesses advertise on buses with "wraps" (whole bus ads) not just in Boston but in other areas. A couple of years ago while visiting Burlington VT I saw a city transit bus wrapped for WOKO, the top rated country station in the market. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 24 16:23:52 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:23:52 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... References: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com><746B6E59-BE25-4992-8A88-4779F009DDB9@mac.com> <002c01c667db$bbefee00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003601c667dd$030d6280$19b38018@Mark> Dan Strassberg wrote: > wraps were used on > the cars that a few radio stations "gave away" four or five years ago to > listeners who agreed to have their vehicles become rolling advertisements > for radio stations. I haven't seen a wrapped car in several years now, > though. Although some stations have promotional vehicles they take to remotes, concerts & appearances that are wrapped. Recently in downtown Lowell I saw an SUV parked on the street wrapped for WKLB. Also outside the Tsongas Arena in Lowell recently at a concert was a van wrapped for WFNX. Mark Watson From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 25 00:23:17 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:23:17 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <20060424181447.32649.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444D6BF5.31413.74CB13@localhost> On 24 Apr 2006 at 11:14, Matthew Osborne wrote: > While traveling home from Poughkeepsie Saturday night along the NYS > Thruway, I stopped at a rest area and noticed something interesting > that didn't hit me right away. There was a bus stopped there that > was emblazoned with the 98.1 CHOI Radio X logo (CHOI Quebec City, > which nearly lost its broadcast license recently) on both sides and > the back. Why did CHOI almost lose its license? What happened? > Also, what makes this even more interesting is that Quebec City, > IIRC, is *not* considered one of the major broadcast markets in > Canada, so if CHOI does, in fact, own their own bus, their station > revenues must be absolutely astronomical. Then again, there are probably a lot fewer stations in that market, and they're probably a lot more listenable than the cookie-cutter corporate-run stations in the US. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Apr 25 07:16:33 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:16:33 -0600 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... Message-ID: >>Why did CHOI almost lose its license? What happened?<< Last I heard, CHOI's license is still in jeopardy. They ran afoul of Canada's regulations on offensive material, after several warnings and a stiff fine in past years. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 08:54:26 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060425125426.75941.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:23:17 -0400 A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Why did CHOI almost lose its license? What happened? To which Sid Schweiger replied: > Last I heard, CHOI's license is still in jeopardy. > They ran afoul of > Canada's regulations on offensive material, after > several warnings and a > stiff fine in past years. As I understand it, their morning show host (Jeff Fillion??) ran several segments containing what is considered "hate speech" in Canada [I think a number of these segments were personal attacks on other people]. After receiving several fines and official judgements against them by the CRTC, last year the CRTC revoked its license. CHOI appealed, and at least for the moment their license is safe on appeal. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Apr 25 09:11:10 2006 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:11:10 -0600 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... Message-ID: >>As I understand it, their morning show host (Jeff Fillion??) ran several segments containing what is considered "hate speech" in Canada [I think a number of these segments were personal attacks on other people]. After receiving several fines and official judgements against them by the CRTC, last year the CRTC revoked its license. CHOI appealed, and at least for the moment their license is safe on appeal.<< The CRTC web site has the original order and the Federal Court of Appeal's decision upholding the order: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2004/db2004-271.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES/2005/r050901.htm Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From chrisf01864@lycos.com Mon Apr 24 16:26:59 2006 From: chrisf01864@lycos.com (christopher fuccione) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:26:59 -0800 Subject: New discussion site now online Message-ID: <20060424202659.968C1E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Will this effect this message board at all? I'm not sure who owns this or how I ended up signing up for it. Not that I'm complaining. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 25 23:41:46 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:41:46 -0400 Subject: cross ownership (newspapers/radio) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604230631o7c8c5d53kbeecddeb6ea0d306@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604230631o7c8c5d53kbeecddeb6ea0d306@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17486.60410.511296.280264@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm guessing the newspaper/radio-TV cross ownership rules set by the > FCC are still in effect--a paper can't own a radio station in its > same city unless there's a special waiver. Well, yes and no. Theoretically it is still in effect, because the FCC still hasn't come up with a new set of ownership rules that will pass legal muster. In practice, it is no longer in effect, because the FCC has said that it will issue temporary waivers to all comers until the new rules are final. In extremis, it is highly unlikely that the Supreme Court would permit enforcement of the newspaper cross-ownership rule, if the case ever got to them, given both the current ideological bent of the court and their decision several years ago in the Indian casino advertising case. They won't be involved until and unless the Commission stops handing out waivers. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 26 01:20:09 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:20:09 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <444ECAC9.11620.B610E1@localhost> On 25 Apr 2006 at 7:11, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The CRTC web site has the original order and the Federal Court of > Appeal's decision upholding the order: > > http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2004/db2004-271.htm > > http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES/2005/r050901.htm Thanks. The CTRC decision made for interesting reading. The court decision is only summarized. I assume there is a further appeal pending if the station is still on the air. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 08:49:23 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <444ECAC9.11620.B610E1@localhost> Message-ID: <20060426124923.15811.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:20:09 -0400 "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > > Thanks. The CTRC decision made for interesting > reading. The court > decision is only summarized. Man its nice to know that I'm not the only person out there that found this some very interesting reading. I was telling my girlfriend yesterday about reading all about this and how I thought it was really interesting, and she just shook her head and told me that I was a weirdo (how many times has a similar situation happened to everyone else on this list?). Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From francini@mac.com Wed Apr 26 09:36:13 2006 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:36:13 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <20060426124923.15811.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426124923.15811.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, if she has interest in superficial things, like, say, "what celebrity A is doing to/with/against celebrity B", you could always give the same comment and head shake, and see how she likes it. And just because millions of people are fascinated with the superficial doesn't make it non-weird; just a "standard" weirdness, as it were... John On 26 Apr 2006, at 8:49, Matthew Osborne wrote: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:20:09 -0400 "A. Joseph Ross" > wrote: > >> >> Thanks. The CTRC decision made for interesting >> reading. The court >> decision is only summarized. > > Man its nice to know that I'm not the only person out > there that found this some very interesting reading. > I was telling my girlfriend yesterday about reading > all about this and how I thought it was really > interesting, and she just shook her head and told me > that I was a weirdo (how many times has a similar > situation happened to everyone else on this list?). > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 26 13:27:18 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:18 -0400 Subject: Of Snow, Burns, and Severin... Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604261027v618a5f8fg11ea251ce3d51b7e@mail.gmail.com> Now that Tony Snow has accepted a job at the White House, he no doubt will wind up giving up his Fox News/TalkRadio show (9-noon). Not sure if Fox will continue to have that radio show with a different host or not but it reminded me of a situation where a syndie host suddenly left and the syndicator/originating station had to find someone quick. It was in the early 90s when Gene Burns was doing a show for WOR that was syndicated, and WRKO carried him here (early evenings after Jerry?). I guess he had some kind of squabble with management and left; so they quickly hired...Jay Severin. First time I had heard Jay. Jay later did late nights for WRKO, then of course was one of the first talk hosts for WTKK when they launches, and now he's syndie by CBS Radio). So there's an example of a sudden resignation (and again, I'm sure Snow will indeed leave his show) of a syndie talk host leading to a scramble to find a replacement. >From a WOR history page: "Yeah, was just curious what they were going to do. From what I can gather "Fox Talks"/Fox Talk Radio had Snow, Alan Colmes, and John Gibson. http://www.foxnews.com/access/radio.html Snow's live slot is indeed up against Ingraham and Beck (Gallagher too), and more than a few locally based shows. I remember a situation when a syndie talker suddenly left and they had to find a replacement, quick. Gene Burns had a nighttime show out of WOR/NY (carried in Boston on WRKO, who used to have Burns as a host 10a-2 pm themselves) and Burns left in some kind of squabble with management. He was replaced by...Jay Severin, who now does a nightly show for CBS radio in several markets. First time I heard Severin (who later did 10 pm, or was it 11 pm, slot for WRKO, then afternoons for WTKK, and now he's national). (From a WOR history page: "July of 1993 brought Gene Burns to the WOR Radio Network as an afternoon drive time host. Burns offered a Libertarian viewpoint that was unique in the Talk Radio industry. In October 1994, Gene Burns left the company and was replaced by Jay Severin, a Republican political consultant. The show replaced Burns on the WOR Radio Network as well.") I thought WRKO ran him maybe 6-9 pm, 7-10, something like that, after Jerry (the Burns syndie show/replaced by Severin). WRKO may have dropped the show soon after, not desiring a Gene Burns show without Gene Burns! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 26 13:29:03 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:29:03 -0400 Subject: Of Snow, Burns, and Severin... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604261027v618a5f8fg11ea251ce3d51b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604261027v618a5f8fg11ea251ce3d51b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604261029t32ca470bpe96453ff047bcc7d@mail.gmail.com> oops, sorry for extra material! Cut and pasted from another board, but forgot to excise some of it! On 4/26/06, Bob Nelson wrote: > (From a WOR history page: > "July of 1993 brought Gene Burns to the WOR Radio Network as an > afternoon drive time host. From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Apr 26 13:48:52 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:48:52 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... Message-ID: > > From: Matthew Osborne > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > To: "A. Joseph Ross" > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:23 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... > > Man its nice to know that I'm not the only person out > there that found this some very interesting reading. > I was telling my girlfriend yesterday about reading > all about this and how I thought it was really > interesting, and she just shook her head and told me > that I was a weirdo (how many times has a similar > situation happened to everyone else on this list?). My last one used to make fun of me for putting on "Let's Talk About Radio" on Sunday mornings, though on listening she did find the banter between Bob and Donna somewhat amusing at times... EP From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 27 00:01:53 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:01:53 -0400 Subject: Interesting radio sighting along the NY Thruway... In-Reply-To: <20060426124923.15811.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444ECAC9.11620.B610E1@localhost> Message-ID: <445009F1.18585.79BF68@localhost> On 26 Apr 2006 at 5:49, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Man its nice to know that I'm not the only person out there that > found this some very interesting reading. I was telling my > girlfriend yesterday about reading all about this and how I thought > it was really interesting, and she just shook her head and told me > that I was a weirdo (how many times has a similar situation > happened to everyone else on this list?). Well, you've got to realize that, during final exams in college, I took a welcome break from studying by reading the constitutions of various nations around the world. Fascinating stuff! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 27 13:58:07 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:58:07 -0400 Subject: Herald: WEEI hopes to retain some Sox presence Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604271058p38f1eec1y87c5e9db4e8f1d02@mail.gmail.com> from today's Herald Inside Track http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=136790&format=&page=2 "Word outta radioland is that the Red Sox-to-WBOS is a done deal but WEEI is negotiating to keep some Sox presence on their air ... we hear 'EEI is negotiating to retain the segments with Terry Francona and the "Player of the Week" bits. "We've already told you that there is talk of moving Mike Barnicle to the new station and retaining 'EEI veteran Bob Neumeier to do mornings. We also hear that 'BOS has already begun recruiting sales staff for the new station." From ssmyth@suscom.net Thu Apr 27 14:11:13 2006 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:13 -0400 Subject: Herald: WEEI hopes to retain some Sox presence In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0604271058p38f1eec1y87c5e9db4e8f1d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0604271058p38f1eec1y87c5e9db4e8f1d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:58:07 -0400 "Bob Nelson" wrote: >from today's Herald Inside Track > >http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=136790&format=&page=2 > >"Word outta radioland is that the Red Sox-to-WBOS is a done >deal but >WEEI is negotiating to keep some Sox presence on their air >... we hear 'EEI is negotiating to retain the segments with >Terry >Francona and the "Player of the Week" bits. > >"We've already told you that there is talk of moving Mike >Barnicle to >the new station and retaining 'EEI veteran Bob Neumeier to do >mornings. We also hear that 'BOS has already begun recruiting >sales >staff for the new station." Still refuse to believe this is a donedone deal. Back before it had the Sox, WEEI was a blip on the ratings radar. Granted, that was back in the infancy of the station. But losing nearly 600 hours of game programming (figure on 180 games, including exhibition season and a smattering of playoff games, at a little more than 3 hours per) ain't something to be sneezed at. The Celtics can make up for some of it -- but no one cares about the Celtics anymore (relatively speaking). You also can figure on WEEI losing BC football and basketball if the WBOS deal goes through, since the Sox' marketing arm controls those rights. More lost programming. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Apr 27 15:06:06 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:06:06 -0400 Subject: Herald: WEEI hopes to retain some Sox presence In-Reply-To: References: <1fbbbced0604271058p38f1eec1y87c5e9db4e8f1d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17489.5662.981429.29472@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Still refuse to believe this is a donedone deal. Scott and I were talking about this earlier in the week. He made the points that: 1) WEEI-FM and WVEI have done reasonably well without Sox rights (on WSKO in Providence and WTAG in Worcester). The new Easthampton signal will also start life without Sox rights. 2) Fans wanting to have serious, critical discussion of the team and its management won't find it on a station the team owns, so they will have to go back to WEEI anyway. [Conclusion: Entercom wouldn't lose as much as some have suggested, and as a business decision it may well be that the Sox are asking for more than Entercom thinks the rights are worth. Since WBOS doesn't reach the other WEEI markets, it's also possible that Entercom could gain the rights in some of the other markets while still losing them in Boston.] 3) In order to clear the cap, if Greater Media is still serious about acquiring WCRB, they would have to sell at least 85% of the equity in whichever station they spin, and would not be permitted to manage it nor sell more than 15% of the spot time under a JSA. The sort of deals rumored to be under consideration do not appear to meet this standard, which suggests that the Sox deal is independent of the 'CRB deal -- but whatever happens with the Sox may have an impact on GM's negotiating position with Charles River. [Joseph Gallant would say: A very unlikely third possibility, since Entercom is still under the ownership cap in Boston, would be for them to go in with the Sox in buying the station from Greater, which would give GM the cash and cap position to then complete the purchase of WCRB. I can't see this happening.] -GAWollman From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Apr 28 00:11:10 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:11:10 -0400 Subject: CHOI "shock jock" will oversee CRTC Message-ID: <406DCD8F-3C3E-419E-944A-244524E49791@mac.com> Recently the case of CHOI came up here. It's the Quebec station that almost lost its license because of talk show hosts pushing the limits. One of those talk hosts ran for the Canadian House of Commons, and won. Now Andr? Arthur has been appointed to the parliamentary committee that oversees the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission. In US terms, it would be like naming Congressman Howard Stern to become a watchdog over the FCC. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html? id=c3c15f95-9f86-4c35-9c17-0b9ebc7aef68&k=33584 From stephanie@gordsven.com Fri Apr 28 08:25:29 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CHOI 'shock jock' will oversee CRTC In-Reply-To: <406DCD8F-3C3E-419E-944A-244524E49791@mac.com> References: <406DCD8F-3C3E-419E-944A-244524E49791@mac.com> Message-ID: <1309.66.65.49.10.1146227129.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Fri, April 28, 2006 0:11, Mark Laurence said: > In US terms, it would be like naming Congressman Howard Stern to > become a watchdog over the FCC. That would be sweet, blessed irony. :) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 28 11:48:09 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:48:09 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604280848je65eaf2lc26743c0ca3545c2@mail.gmail.com> A friend told me there's some kind of WESX Day in Salem on Sunday (I believe) with a broadcast from Salem City Hall (1 pm); I checked Salem News website and saw nothing but maybe it was in a previous paper. Had heard that both WESX and WJDA (sold) have gone to nothing but satellite oldies in anticipation of new owners taking over. Saw not much at WESX site, pretty bare bones; while WJDA's site had some "scrapbook" pictures and details on other stations carrying certain shows (for the benefit of listeners who still want to hear them after the sale goes through). Here's a Salem News article about WESX's upcoming demise, from February; it estimated the station (as we know it) would cease to be "around May": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580302/posts We'll see what this WESX day is all about; I'll actually be down the street at WMWM from noon-3 pm doing a show but may check out later. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Apr 28 12:14:30 2006 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:14:30 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:01 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? A friend told me there's some kind of WESX Day in Salem on Sunday (I believe) with a broadcast from Salem City Hall (1 pm); I checked Salem News website and saw nothing but maybe it was in a previous paper. Had heard that both WESX and WJDA (sold) have gone to nothing but satellite oldies in anticipation of new owners taking over. I believe that was yesterday at City Hall, at least I was watching it on SATV this morning. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 28 12:18:11 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:18:11 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? References: <1fbbbced0604280848je65eaf2lc26743c0ca3545c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c66adf$5f28d2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Could WESX Day be an attempt by listeners to keep the new owner from attempting to move the station? Rumor has it that the new owner thinks he can move WESX to the WLYN site and sell off the WESX real estate, which is probably valuable enough to pay for the acquisition of both WESX and WJDA. I suspect that the new owner is going to discover that his idea is technically infeasible. When and if he discovers that he can't move the transmitter, WESX is likely to go dark because I believe that the whole acquisition makes economic sense only if the new owner can convert the real estate to cash. There are several technical problems: (1) Can't deliver the requisite signal to Salem from the WLYN site--especially at night. (2) Prohibited overlap with WKOX. (3) Increase in prohibited overlap with WBUR (AM). I don't even think it would be feasible to operate WESX from the WLYN site with 125W or so by day and 500W or so by night. That would probably take care of the prhohibited overlap and, because of the height of the WLYN tower and the low efficiency requirement for Class C AMs, it would result in a signal that meets Class C requirements. But WESX would not deliver the requisite signal to Salem. A COL change is out until the FCC opens another AM major-change filing window. An FCC speaker at the just-concluded NAB convention in Las Vegas placed the date of such a window opening at 2008 at the earliest. Since WESX owns the current site, I don't think he can claim hardship because "the station lost its Tx site." If the hardship claim worked, it might enable WESX to run a non-conforming operation until a COL change became feasible. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? > A friend told me there's some kind of WESX Day in Salem on Sunday (I > believe) with a broadcast from Salem City Hall (1 pm); I checked Salem > News website and saw nothing but maybe it was in a previous paper. Had > heard that both WESX and WJDA (sold) have gone to > nothing but satellite oldies in anticipation of new owners taking over. > > Saw not much at WESX site, pretty bare bones; while WJDA's site had > some "scrapbook" > pictures and details on other stations carrying certain shows (for the > benefit of listeners who still want to hear them after the sale goes > through). > > Here's a Salem News article about WESX's upcoming demise, from > February; it estimated the station (as we know it) would cease to be > "around May": > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580302/posts > > We'll see what this WESX day is all about; I'll actually be down the > street at WMWM > from noon-3 pm doing a show but may check out later. > From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Apr 28 10:26:03 2006 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:26:03 -0400 Subject: Herald: WEEI hopes to retain some Sox presence Message-ID: <445225FB.5060509@friedbagels.com> ************ 3) In order to clear the cap, if Greater Media is still serious about acquiring WCRB, they would have to sell at least 85% of the equity in whichever station they spin, and would not be permitted to manage it nor sell more than 15% of the spot time under a JSA. The sort of deals rumored to be under consideration do not appear to meet this standard, which suggests that the Sox deal is independent of the 'CRB deal -- but whatever happens with the Sox may have an impact on GM's negotiating position with Charles River. ************ As a side note, many folks have suggested that if 92.9 becomes a sports talker, that it will take the calls "WSOX". Unfortunately, Susquehanna already has WSOX on 96.1 Red Lion, PA. Certainly "WBOS" still works pretty well as calls for a Red Sox-themed station, but methinks that the success of the format would incline GM to maintain the calls on a new frequency for the format (102.5 anyone?). So what does that leave? How about "WBRS" for "Boston Red Sox". Nice, ehh? ;-) Perhaps the kids at Brandeis could make a WTBS/WMBR/Ted Turner deal!!! :-) -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02176 From hishaun@hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 16:17:09 2006 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:17:09 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Too late. I wish this had been better advertised. I'd've been there. Who'd ever think to look in the Salem Gazette; it's only existed for a few weeks. How could the News drop the ball? Here's the link: http://www.townonline.com/salem/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=473410 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:48:09 -0400 >A friend told me there's some kind of WESX Day in Salem on Sunday (I >believe) with a broadcast from Salem City Hall (1 pm); I checked Salem >News website and saw nothing but maybe it was in a previous paper. Had >heard that both WESX and WJDA (sold) have gone to >nothing but satellite oldies in anticipation of new owners taking over. > >Saw not much at WESX site, pretty bare bones; while WJDA's site had >some "scrapbook" >pictures and details on other stations carrying certain shows (for the >benefit of listeners who still want to hear them after the sale goes >through). > >Here's a Salem News article about WESX's upcoming demise, from >February; it estimated the station (as we know it) would cease to be >"around May": > >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580302/posts > >We'll see what this WESX day is all about; I'll actually be down the >street at WMWM >from noon-3 pm doing a show but may check out later. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 28 16:42:12 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:42:12 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604281342p7221e7aat8cb587fa245c52be@mail.gmail.com> I have since found out that it was TODAY (Fri 4/28); someone in this thread provided a link to the Salem Gazette article (a weekly paper; it was in the April 14 edition) http://www.townonline.com/salem/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=473410 Maybe I'll get to see the highlights if Beverly's Comcast cable puts it on their own local channel... > I believe that was yesterday at City Hall, at least I was watching it on > SATV this morning. > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 28 16:43:45 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:43:45 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0604281343o7691d713w554250ad2cfc0486@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the link; I guess it was today. Had I seen the Gazette article, I would have known about it in advance. I live in Beverly but sometimes read the Gazette if I'm in Salem.. From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Apr 28 18:59:43 2006 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:59:43 -0400 Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? References: Message-ID: <003b01c66b17$7050c840$0200a8c0@Tanguray> WESX Day was actually today, Friday, 11 AM at Salem City Hall....the Cable feed you saw must have been live... It was purely a tribute to the station and long time personalities, Betty Stavis and Al Needham, and was very tastefull...I estimate the crowd at 150 or so...not bad for a mid day, non organizational get together. Monday morning 1201A, a lease (or LMA, we don't even have the details) is in place. Monday should bring the "NEW" format. Roger WESX 1230 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moisan" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: RE: WESX day in Salem Sunday? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:01 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: WESX day in Salem Sunday? > > A friend told me there's some kind of WESX Day in Salem on Sunday (I > believe) with a broadcast from Salem City Hall (1 pm); I checked Salem > News website and saw nothing but maybe it was in a previous paper. Had > heard that both WESX and WJDA (sold) have gone to > nothing but satellite oldies in anticipation of new owners taking over. > > I believe that was yesterday at City Hall, at least I was watching it on > SATV this morning. > > From me@billoneill.us Sun Apr 30 20:43:13 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:43:13 -0400 Subject: WCAP Radio Alumns Message-ID: <445559A1.1030703@billoneill.us> WCAP (980 Lowell) turns 55 on June 10th. The station is putting out the call for all 'CAP alumni to see if they'd like to be a part of the weekend radio event. Looking for memories, audio, stuff, etc. (I know Scott Fybush could figure prominently!) If you or someone you know might have "done time" at WCAP throughout the years, can you pass the word? They can email me and I can point them in the right direction. Bill O'Neill -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. From hmglaz@webtv.net Sun Apr 30 23:36:29 2006 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:36:29 -0400 Subject: What station was Clemens' first 20-K game on? Message-ID: <6274-4455823D-561@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> Dan Shaughnessy wrote a retrospective on Roger Clemens' April 29, 1986, 20-strikeout game in Saturday's Globe. In it, he mentions that the game wasn't carried on "AM radio" (no call letters) because the Celtics had priority and instead was carried on "FM" (again, no call letters). The AM, I recall, was WRKO, but I have no idea which FM the game wound up on. I remember occasional games being carried on 94.5 in the late '60s or early '70s, and on 107.9 later on, but that was during 107.9's days as WWEL, not as WXKS-FM. What FM was 'RKO's backup in the mid-'80s? Howard