From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 2 13:15:43 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:15:43 -0500 Subject: If Entercom gets ABC Radio... Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512021015j6255fb16va8cc8aaae374306@mail.gmail.com> Radio and Records reports that Entercom might be the winner in the ABC Radio sweepstakes. Radio Disney and ESPN would not be included. Is this just ABC-owned stations or is the syndication arm involved? If so, would WRKO eventually land Hannity? (They used to run him at 7 pm after Howie, tape delayed, but decided to go with Savage partly because Savage was _live_; this was a couple years ago and what with then- current events like the D.C. snipers, the war, etc., they figured it would be best to have a live show...Hannity briefly went to 890 when they were talk, IIRC, then WTKK picked him up) According to the ABC Radio site, ABC also syndicates Larry Elder and Mark Davis (currently not heard in Boston). They do John Batchelor, which WRKO runs, and Paul "...good...day?" Harvey, which WBZ runs. A list of ABC O&Os are here: http://abcradio.go.com/channel?id=35 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Dec 2 22:24:10 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:24:10 -0500 Subject: Bids Due For Charles River Group Message-ID: <200512022224.AA961675496@mail.ttlc.net> Informed anonymous sources told Billboard Radio Monitor bids for the Charles River Broadcasting group were due by the close of business today. No immediate action is expected on the bids. Word in a "Few Weeks" is an educated guess. Billboard's Monitor estimates WCRB could fetch as much as $100 million. Greater Media, Infinity, Clear Channel and Entercom were expected to deliver bids. No word on out-of-market bidders. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Fri Dec 2 22:52:42 2005 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:52:42 -0500 Subject: Bids Due For Charles River Group In-Reply-To: <200512022224.AA961675496@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512022224.AA961675496@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051202224944.02d09c30@pop.gis.net> At 10:24 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >Informed anonymous sources told Billboard Radio Monitor bids for the >Charles River Broadcasting group were due by the close of business today. >No immediate action is expected on the bids. Word in a "Few Weeks" is an >educated guess. > >Billboard's Monitor estimates WCRB could fetch as much as $100 million. > >Greater Media, Infinity, Clear Channel and Entercom were expected to >deliver bids. > >No word on out-of-market bidders. Didn't Infinity have to sell Boston stations when they bought American Radio ? Thought they were at the ownership limit. From nostaticatall@comcast.net Sat Dec 3 02:12:18 2005 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:12:18 -0500 Subject: Bids Due For Charles River Group In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051202224944.02d09c30@pop.gis.net> References: <200512022224.AA961675496@mail.ttlc.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20051202224944.02d09c30@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: I could be wrong, but didn't the FCC relax the cross-ownership rules for companies holding both radio and television interests not too long ago? Infinity only has 5 signals (4FM's and WBZ) because they also owned WBZ-TV and WSBK. If the rules were indeed loosened, they may be able to squeeze another FM into their portfolio. Also, the radio division of Viacom was recently separated into it's own separate company (the new Infinity.) In the eyes of the FCC, Infinity with the radio properties and Viacom with the TV stations may now be considered separate entities, allowing for Infinity to add WCRB. So is Greater Media. 5 FM's in a major market is the maximum one company can hold. They would have to spin off an existing FM to come into compliance. None of their signals are real dogs (signals, not formats) so I can't see them overpaying for WCRB just to spin off another property for much less. Entercom is probably bidding as well, since both of their FM signals are suburban rimshotters. They would also be the only company out of the big four in town with any interest in Charles River's Cape Cod and Rhode Island stations. However, they are also trying to acquire the ABC stations right now so they may not have the capital to outbid the other heavy hitters for WCRB. Clear Channel would love to add another FM to it's cluster, and they have the resources to make a competitive bid. With Kiss, WJMN, and a soon to be 50K WKOX, adding WCRB would put them on par with the other operators in town. Out of the four, I think they have the best shot to land 102.5--if Charles River is indeed serious about selling. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > At 10:24 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >> Informed anonymous sources told Billboard Radio Monitor bids for the >> Charles River Broadcasting group were due by the close of business >> today. No immediate action is expected on the bids. Word in a "Few >> Weeks" is an educated guess. >> >> Billboard's Monitor estimates WCRB could fetch as much as $100 >> million. >> >> Greater Media, Infinity, Clear Channel and Entercom were expected to >> deliver bids. >> >> No word on out-of-market bidders. > > > Didn't Infinity have to sell Boston stations when they bought American > Radio ? > Thought they were at the ownership limit. > > From rickkelly@gmail.com Sat Dec 3 08:38:58 2005 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:38:58 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? Message-ID: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> Is the rumor true that Gross was fired from WHDH-TV? -- Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Dec 3 10:39:27 2005 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:39:27 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.co m> References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> At 08:38 AM 12/3/2005, Rick Kelly wrote: >Is the rumor true that Gross was fired from WHDH-TV? >-- >Rick Kelly >www.northeastairchecks.com He is not on their web site From mhiggs@gmail.com Sat Dec 3 13:01:50 2005 From: mhiggs@gmail.com (Matt Higgs) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:01:50 -0400 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: Someone posted on a message board that he was escorted from the station yesterday afternoon. His bio was removed from the website. Looks like they kept him for sweeps then dumped him, which is odd considering he's been there for over 20 years. On 12/3/05, Ron Bello wrote: > At 08:38 AM 12/3/2005, Rick Kelly wrote: > >Is the rumor true that Gross was fired from WHDH-TV? > >-- > >Rick Kelly > >www.northeastairchecks.com > > > He is not on their web site > > > > From nostaticatall@comcast.net Sat Dec 3 13:36:25 2005 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:36:25 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: The timing on this one really sucks for Todd. CBS4 apparently just hired a new chief meteorologist from outside the market who hasn't started yet. You have to wonder if WHTH waited until that announcement before blowing out Todd so that they wouldn't have to compete against him. Channel 5 is already overloaded with veteran Boston TV meteorologists. I doubt that 25 or 56, both lower budget operations gunning for younger viewers, would be interested in his services. If he stays in the area, his best chance would be at NECN, where has-been TV newspeople go to die (RD Saul, Chet Curtis, Tom Ellis...) Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Matt Higgs wrote: > Someone posted on a message board that he was escorted from the > station yesterday afternoon. His bio was removed from the website. > Looks like they kept him for sweeps then dumped him, which is odd > considering he's been there for over 20 years. > > On 12/3/05, Ron Bello wrote: >> At 08:38 AM 12/3/2005, Rick Kelly wrote: >>> Is the rumor true that Gross was fired from WHDH-TV? >>> -- >>> Rick Kelly >>> www.northeastairchecks.com >> >> >> He is not on their web site >> >> >> >> > From nostaticatall@comcast.net Sat Dec 3 13:50:36 2005 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:50:36 -0500 Subject: Bids Due For Charles River Group In-Reply-To: References: <200512022224.AA961675496@mail.ttlc.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20051202224944.02d09c30@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <05b02c1958b44ff2ea0eb4d9ef5d3abd@comcast.net> Entercom wouldn't be able to move WAAF closer to town if they were able to re-direct or take dark WFCC. They still have first adjacents WERZ/Exeter, NH and WFHN/Fairhaven, MA to protect. I'm sure their interest would be to put WAAF on 102.5. Considering they own WEEI-FM in the Providence market, they could easily do something with that other signal. Plus, putting WEEI on 107.5 and extending the network down to the Cape would be a logical move. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Clear Channel pick up the stations, then immediately spin off the Rhode Island and Cape signals. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > I would think Entercom would be the most interest party here. > For starters, they may be able to try to redo a WAAF Boston > move-in by nabbing WFCC. Second, they may not even need to do a > WAAF move-in if they pick up 102.5 and move WAAF there (WCRB > does have a very nice signal). I don't know how much they'd > really be interested in the Rhode Island station. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 3 14:07:13 2005 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:07:13 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051203140410.0304b280@pop.registeredsite.com> At 02:01 PM 12/3/2005 -0400, Matt Higgs wrote: >Someone posted on a message board that he was escorted from the >station yesterday afternoon. His bio was removed from the website. >Looks like they kept him for sweeps then dumped him, which is odd >considering he's been there for over 20 years. Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped at channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those who have served it for many years, but alas, these days the veterans are just seen as an expense-- group owners often believe it's more cost-effective to bring in a new (and much younger) face... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 3 14:30:05 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:30:05 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051203140410.0304b280@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20051203140410.0304b280@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512031130j14dc4109u52636f2c9dafe84b@mail.gmail.com> >>He is not on their web site Yes, I checked moments ago and when you click News Team and then Weather it says: "Pete Bouchard Terry Casey Chikage Windler" But notice what name does not have a link. Too bad--seems like a nice guy and I hope he lands elsewhere. Was it a case of, like Ted Sarandis, working without a contract and kept on for awhile, then abruptly told to leave? The site that had reported he had been escorted from the station by security (Boston TV News MSN group) says now that that particular info was false. They say they're waiting to hear from another source with more details by the end of the weekend. On 12/3/05, Donna Halper wrote: > Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped at > channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those who have > served it for many years, but alas, these days the veterans are just seen > as an expense-- group owners often believe it's more cost-effective to > bring in a new (and much younger) face... > > From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 3 15:11:33 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:11:33 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? Message-ID: <20051203201133.34916C6167@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Matt Higgs" , BRI >Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:07:13 -0500 > > Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped > at channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those > who have served it for many years, but alas, these days the > veterans are just seen as an expense-- group owners often believe > it's more cost-effective to bring in a new (and much younger) > face... Wait...French doctors have just performed a face transplant. Wrinkly anchors and weatherpeople may have another chance. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Dec 3 15:32:35 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:32:35 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <20051203201133.34916C6167@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <092001c5f848$b2879190$6501a8c0@pastor2> Laurence, do you really think that's the reason for Schwoegler's and Gross's departures? There are a lot of news people in network television age sixty and up, including the "60 Minutes" team with its two notable octogenarians. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Matt Higgs" ; "BRI" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donna Halper" > >To: "Matt Higgs" , BRI > >Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? > >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:07:13 -0500 > > > > > Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped > > at channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those > > who have served it for many years, but alas, these days the > > veterans are just seen as an expense-- group owners often believe > > it's more cost-effective to bring in a new (and much younger) > > face... > > Wait...French doctors have just performed a face transplant. Wrinkly > anchors and weatherpeople may have another chance. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 15:36:19 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:36:19 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <043501c5f849$5ca44e20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Channel 5 is already overloaded with veteran Boston TV > meteorologists. I doubt that 25 or 56, both lower budget operations > gunning for younger viewers, would be interested in his services. First of all I think Todd still exudes youngness"...more than most of the other meteorologists. Second, Gene Lavanchy went from Ch's 7 to 25. I think that says a lot about the channel 7 budgets (i.e. cheap!).....which are probably pretty comparable to Fox 25 & 56. After all, they didn't/couldn't even counter Harvey Leonards offer from Channel 5! From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 3 15:53:46 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:53:46 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? Message-ID: <20051203205346.8DC59CA0C3@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Donna Halper" , "Matt Higgs" , BRI Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:32:35 -0500 > > Laurence, do you really think that's the reason for > Schwoegler's and Gross's departures? There are a lot of news people in > network television age sixty and up, including the "60 Minutes" team with > its two notable octogenarians. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "Matt Higgs" ; > "BRI" > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Donna Halper" > > >To: "Matt Higgs" , BRI > > > >Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? > > >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:07:13 -0500 > > > > > > > > Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped > > > at channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those > > > who have served it for many years, but alas, these days the > > > veterans are just seen as an expense-- group owners often believe > > > it's more cost-effective to bring in a new (and much younger) > > > face... > > HDTV is coming...a little touch of pancake makeup may not do the job anymore. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 15:39:46 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:39:46 -0500 Subject: Christmas at Channel 7 Message-ID: <044701c5f84a$10473e60$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Some employers give out Hams for Easter. Some give Turkeys for Thanksgiving. Todd seem to have given his Christmas GOOSE! From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Dec 3 16:34:19 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:34:19 -0500 Subject: Christmas at Channel 7 References: <044701c5f84a$10473e60$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <094801c5f851$52147900$6501a8c0@pastor2> And anyone else 50 or above had better duck. ;-) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Trovato" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Christmas at Channel 7 > Some employers give out Hams for Easter. > > Some give Turkeys for Thanksgiving. > > Todd seem to have given his Christmas GOOSE! > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sat Dec 3 21:50:02 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:50:02 -0500 Subject: Broadcsating Fans/Philatelists Message-ID: <200512032150.AA2477392188@mail.ttlc.net> Just found a Web Site that showcases Radio Around The World as commemorated on Postage Stamps: http://www.radiostamps.net/ Some very nice First Day Covers here. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 21:55:44 2005 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:55:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV Audio snafu Message-ID: <20051204025544.15925.qmail@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK I am watching something pretty hilarious right now. WNYT(TV) (Albany NY), our local NBC affiliate, is having some issues with its DTV signal. I am watching the digital video signal, but for the audio you can only hear the background noises but not the main audio channel (people speaking, the characters in the foreground, etc can not be heard). Would this be something as simple as a missing audio channel on WNYT's end, or does this sound like a problem on the network side of things? Also, during the local commercial break, while the analog signal had all the spots and everything, the digital signal had what appeared to be an NBC screensaver up (several different animations of the NBC logo on a black screen, I'm guessing just a placeholder so master control operators know they're tuned to the right satellite channel) I have to admit though, its rather interesting watching something and having nothing but the background noise to listen to. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Dec 3 22:07:26 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:07:26 -0500 Subject: DTV Audio snafu References: <20051204025544.15925.qmail@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <098a01c5f87f$db2bc120$6501a8c0@pastor2> I'd be amused too. Sounds hilarious --- worth taping (and maybe sending to Jay Leno). :-) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: DTV Audio snafu > OK I am watching something pretty hilarious right now. > WNYT(TV) (Albany NY), our local NBC affiliate, is > having some issues with its DTV signal. I am > watching the digital video signal, but for the audio > you can only hear the background noises but not the > main audio channel (people speaking, the characters in > the foreground, etc can not be heard). Would this be > something as simple as a missing audio channel on > WNYT's end, or does this sound like a problem on the > network side of things? Also, during the local > commercial break, while the analog signal had all the > spots and everything, the digital signal had what > appeared to be an NBC screensaver up (several > different animations of the NBC logo on a black > screen, I'm guessing just a placeholder so master > control operators know they're tuned to the right > satellite channel) > > I have to admit though, its rather interesting > watching something and having nothing but the > background noise to listen to. > > Matt > Osborne > > Schenectady, NY > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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I am >>watching the digital video signal, but for the audio >>you can only hear the background noises but not the >>main audio channel (people speaking, the characters in >>the foreground, etc can not be heard). Would this be >>something as simple as a missing audio channel on >>WNYT's end, or does this sound like a problem on the >>network side of things? Also, during the local >>commercial break, while the analog signal had all the >>spots and everything, the digital signal had what >>appeared to be an NBC screensaver up (several >>different animations of the NBC logo on a black >>screen, I'm guessing just a placeholder so master >>control operators know they're tuned to the right >>satellite channel) >> >> I have to admit though, its rather interesting >>watching something and having nothing but the >>background noise to listen to. >> >> Matt >>Osborne >> >>Schenectady, NY >> >> >> >>__________________________________________ >>Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. >>Just $16.99/mo. or less. >>dsl.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> Were you watching it in stereo or mono? Could be an artifact of the channels being out of phase. Anything mono would cancel. The only sound would be the out of phase background stuff. -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From nostaticatall@comcast.net Sun Dec 4 00:40:51 2005 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:40:51 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <043501c5f849$5ca44e20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net> <043501c5f849$5ca44e20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2005, at 3:36 PM, R Trovato wrote: >> Channel 5 is already overloaded with veteran Boston TV >> meteorologists. I doubt that 25 or 56, both lower budget operations >> gunning for younger viewers, would be interested in his services. > > First of all I think Todd still exudes youngness"...more than most of > the > other meteorologists. In comparison to Albert and Leonard, sure. Not compared to anyone else out there right now... > > Second, Gene Lavanchy went from Ch's 7 to 25. Lavanchy was brought in as the lead anchor to host the morning show. That's a whole different situation then being just a sportscaster (as he was at Channel 7) or a weather person, and I'm sure his paycheck reflects that. > I think that says a lot about the channel 7 budgets (i.e. > cheap!).....which > are probably pretty comparable to Fox 25 & 56. WHDH was number one for a long time with a lower budget newscast. NBC's weak primetime lineup recently and the slipping ratings of the Today show in the morning is what's hurting their news operations right now more than anything else. > After all, they didn't/couldn't even counter Harvey Leonards offer from > Channel 5! They felt they could keep their spot at number one without him. They remained the city's highest rated newscast for quite awhile after he left. It wasn't his departure that caused WHDH's ratings to slip. It was the reasons I mentioned above. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 4 01:07:46 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:07:46 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051203140410.0304b280@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <43924162.30304.EF6282@localhost> On 3 Dec 2005 at 14:07, Donna Halper wrote: > Yeah but doesn't this remind you of how Bruce Schwoegler got dumped at > channel 4? I'd love to say our industry has respect for those who > have served it for many years, but alas, these days the veterans are > just seen as an expense-- group owners often believe it's more > cost-effective to bring in a new (and much younger) face... I seem to remember a weatherman on the old Channel 7 some years ago who sued for age discrimination and won. Anyone remember this better than I do? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 4 01:07:46 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:07:46 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <20051203205346.8DC59CA0C3@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43924162.12716.EF62E3@localhost> On 3 Dec 2005 at 15:53, Laurence Glavin wrote: > HDTV is coming...a little touch of pancake makeup may not do the job > anymore. I've seen HDTV in banks, restaurants, and department stores, and I don't really notice much difference in terms of resolution. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 4 01:07:47 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:07:47 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <092001c5f848$b2879190$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <43924163.7315.EF6373@localhost> On 3 Dec 2005 at 15:32, Doug Drown wrote: > Laurence, do you really think that's the reason for > Schwoegler's and Gross's departures? There are a lot of news people > in network television age sixty and up, including the "60 Minutes" > team with its two notable octogenarians. Network television and local television are very different. When someone is a national personality, they make a lot of money, but their presence also makes a lot of money for their employers, and being unceremoniously let go would generate a lot of bad national publicity. There's competition for people like Katie Kouric, for example, when there are even rumors of their contract being up. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 01:36:14 2005 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV Audio snafu In-Reply-To: <439266E0.5050800@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <20051204063614.67071.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen this 4 or 5 times on the SAP channel. But better than that I once saw where the SAP channel had audio (in English) on WHDH-TV / NBC that was not the same prime time show that was actually airing. (No it wasn't an intentional playing of a different audio problem, similar to playing BBC World News on a PBS station). If you have the closed captioning on most of the time like I do, then you will also see some pretty strange stuff. The dialogue in the CC deviating quite a bit from the actual spoken diaglog and in some cases dialog from a totally different show. John B Derry NH From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 02:06:52 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:06:52 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net><043501c5f849$5ca44e20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <050801c5f8a1$b75d5f20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > NBC's weak primetime > lineup recently and the slipping ratings of the Today show in the > morning is what's hurting > their news operations right now I think if you measure "Weather Credibility" as a factor among potential viewers, you will see that channel 5 wins that hands down. If that is one of the reasons people choose a newscast (and it is), it is indeed a factor. (...how much of a factor is up for discussion.) > It wasn't his > departure that caused WHDH's ratings to > slip. It was the reasons I mentioned above. Gee thanks for your wonderful insight. I didn't realize you were such a TV "insider"... The point being that they didn't (or couldn't) match the offer's. It also says that they don't value their on-air people as part of their sucess strategy. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 02:10:37 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:10:37 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <521b7fd10512030538q526a2dc4o6a13daeca3b43e65@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051203103834.02d07380@pop.gis.net><043501c5f849$5ca44e20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <051101c5f8a1$ddedcee0$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > NBC's weak primetime > lineup recently and the slipping ratings of the Today show in the > morning is what's hurting > their news operations right now I think if you measure "Weather Credibility" as a factor among potential viewers, you will see that channel 5 (currently) wins that hands down. If that is one of the reasons people choose a newscast (and it is), it is indeed a factor in how they perform (...how much of a factor is up for discussion.) > It wasn't his > departure that caused WHDH's ratings to > slip. It was the reasons I mentioned above. Gee thanks for your wonderful insight. I didn't realize you were such a TV "insider"... The point being that they didn't (or couldn't) match the offer's. It also says that they don't value their on-air people as part of their sucess strategy. From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 02:09:34 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:09:34 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <43924162.30304.EF6282@localhost> Message-ID: <051001c5f8a1$ddcc3d20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I seem to remember a weatherman on the old Channel 7 some years ago who sued for age > discrimination and won. Anyone remember this better than I do? I think it was (Dr.) Fred Ward. And my memory which, (admittedly) is less dependable these days ;-) says he wasn't sucessful in his action. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 4 10:01:45 2005 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:01:45 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <43924162.30304.EF6282@localhost> <051001c5f8a1$ddcc3d20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <007001c5f8e3$a72f5990$69081f42@Mark> R. Trovato wrote: > I think it was (Dr.) Fred Ward. > > And my memory which, (admittedly) is less dependable these days ;-) says > he > wasn't sucessful in his action. I thought Dr. Fred won his lawsuit, but he ended up taking a cash settlement from the then owners of Channel 7 instaed of his job back. Maybe our esteemeed historian Donna Halper may have the info in her archives of broadcast notes. And speaking of Donna Halper, I too agree with her regarding how this reminds us of how Bruce Schwoegler was treated at Channel 4 several years back. I don't personally watch a newscast because the anchors or reporters are youthful looking. NECN's Tom Ellis may have a few wrinkles, Channel 4's Jack Williams' hair has turned silver, but I'm tuning into a newscast to get updated on local, national and international news, wrinkles & hair color do not affect how Tom & Jack report the news to me. If it's cheaper to bring in new & younger faces, well shame on the industry for doing this at the expense of well known market veterans. Mark Watson From xtrovato@yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 11:53:01 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:53:01 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <43924162.30304.EF6282@localhost><051001c5f8a1$ddcc3d20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <007001c5f8e3$a72f5990$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <014c01c5f8f3$53d470e0$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I thought Dr. Fred won his lawsuit, but he ended up taking a cash > settlement from the then owners of Channel 7 instaed of his job back. Maybe > our esteemeed historian Donna Halper may have the info in her archives of > broadcast notes. I seem to remember reading it in the Globe years ago. Maybe Donna can check the Globe archives if she has access to them? Would this have been the late 70's? From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Dec 4 12:32:36 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:32:36 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? References: <43924162.30304.EF6282@localhost><051001c5f8a1$ddcc3d20$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <007001c5f8e3$a72f5990$69081f42@Mark> <014c01c5f8f3$53d470e0$ab66fea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <09b401c5f8f8$b8057370$6501a8c0@pastor2> I remember Dr. Fred well. What became of him after he left Channel 7? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Trovato" To: "Mark Watson" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Matt Higgs" ; "BRI" ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Todd Gross let Go?? > > > I thought Dr. Fred won his lawsuit, but he ended up taking a cash > > settlement from the then owners of Channel 7 instaed of his job back. > Maybe > > our esteemeed historian Donna Halper may have the info in her archives of > > broadcast notes. > > I seem to remember reading it in the Globe years ago. > > Maybe Donna can check the Globe archives if she has access to them? > > Would this have been the late 70's? > > From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Dec 4 13:35:16 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:35:16 -0500 Subject: Christmas at Channel 7 Message-ID: <20051204183516.A01F83387F@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Drown" >To: "R Trovato" , bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Christmas at Channel 7 >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:34:19 -0500 And anyone else 50 or above had better duck. ;-) > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R Trovato" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:39 PM > Subject: Christmas at Channel 7 > > > > Some employers give out Hams for Easter. > > > > Some give Turkeys for Thanksgiving. > > > > Todd seem to have given his Christmas GOOSE! > > And don't forget to sing as you're going out the door: "Egrets, I've had a few... But more, much more than this, I did it my way." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Dec 4 15:11:36 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:11:36 -0500 Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National Message-ID: <20051204201136.7127986B4E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Last month I posted an item about the return of the show "Reliable Sources" to CNN's schedule: Sundays at 10:00 until 11:00 am. During the last two programs, talking heads from WGBH-TV's "Beat the Press" have been guest commontators...Mike Jurkowitz (who can't receive WKOX-AM or WXKS-AM after sunset) and, this morning Emily (*Early Money Is Like Yeast) Rooney. Who's next? Dan Kennedy? Bob Zelnick? Actually, both of the latter HAVE appeared on "Reliable Sources" in its previous 30-minute incarnation.) Gee, if "Let's Talk About Radio" were still on, maybe Howie Kurtz woulf invite Bob Bittner to opine about radio! Nah. *The slogan for the political fund-raising arm of the National Organization of Women is "Emily's Liszt". How did 'yeast' get in there? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Dec 4 15:24:38 2005 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:24:38 -0500 Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National In-Reply-To: <20051204201136.7127986B4E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200512042025.jB4KPMWZ041765@rolinin.bostonradio.org> It's Mark Jurkowitz, from the Boston Phoenix, formerly of the Boston Globe. :-) Best, Anthony Schinella Program Director/News/A&E WKXL 1450 AM/Concord, NH http://www.wkxl1450.com http://politizine.blogspot.com WKXL: Winner of six 2005 Golden Mike Awards - more than any other radio station in New Hampshire! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:12 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National Last month I posted an item about the return of the show "Reliable Sources" to CNN's schedule: Sundays at 10:00 until 11:00 am. During the last two programs, talking heads from WGBH-TV's "Beat the Press" have been guest commontators...Mike Jurkowitz (who can't receive WKOX-AM or WXKS-AM after sunset) and, this morning Emily (*Early Money Is Like Yeast) Rooney. Who's next? Dan Kennedy? Bob Zelnick? Actually, both of the latter HAVE appeared on "Reliable Sources" in its previous 30-minute incarnation.) Gee, if "Let's Talk About Radio" were still on, maybe Howie Kurtz woulf invite Bob Bittner to opine about radio! Nah. *The slogan for the political fund-raising arm of the National Organization of Women is "Emily's Liszt". How did 'yeast' get in there? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 4 16:13:24 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:13:24 -0500 Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National References: <20051204201136.7127986B4E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5f917$963d7020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, LOTS of people quote "our own" Scott Fybush on just about any radio-related subject. I venture to say that, apart, perhaps, from Tom Taylor, Scott's boss at M Street Journal, Scott is THE most quoted authority on radio in the US today. And you can quote ME on that. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National > Last month I posted an item about the return of the show "Reliable > Sources" to CNN's schedule: Sundays at 10:00 until 11:00 am. > During the last two programs, talking heads from WGBH-TV's "Beat the > Press" have been guest commontators...Mike Jurkowitz (who can't receive WKOX-AM > or WXKS-AM after sunset) and, this morning Emily (*Early Money > Is Like Yeast) Rooney. Who's next? Dan Kennedy? Bob Zelnick? > Actually, both of the latter HAVE appeared on "Reliable Sources" in > its previous 30-minute incarnation.) Gee, if "Let's Talk About Radio" > were still on, maybe Howie Kurtz woulf invite Bob Bittner to opine > about radio! Nah. > > *The slogan for the political fund-raising arm of the > National Organization of Women is "Emily's Liszt". > How did 'yeast' get in there? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 4 19:40:11 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:40:11 -0500 Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National In-Reply-To: <000b01c5f917$963d7020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20051204201136.7127986B4E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051204193734.03e1df30@gwind.pair.com> At 04:13 PM 12/4/2005 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Well, LOTS of people quote "our own" Scott Fybush on just about any >radio-related subject. I venture to say that, apart, perhaps, from Tom >Taylor, Scott's boss at M Street Journal, Scott is THE most quoted authority >on radio in the US today. And you can quote ME on that. Well, I *was* quoted in the Wall Street Journal this weekend...but I don't think I've hit the number-two slot yet. My former M Street colleague, Robert Unmacht, gets a lot of ink, and Sean Ross at Edison Media Research is the go-to guy for anything about music on the radio. That said, I'm always happy to offer up something resembling expertise when asked :-) s From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 4 21:32:57 2005 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:32:57 -0500 Subject: "Beat the Press" Going National In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20051204193734.03e1df30@gwind.pair.com> References: <20051204201136.7127986B4E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20051204193734.03e1df30@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <4393A6D9.5040409@shoreham.net> Scott Fybush wrote: > Well, I *was* quoted in the Wall Street Journal this weekend...but I > don't think I've hit the number-two slot yet. Ataboy! - b From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Dec 4 22:47:18 2005 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:47:18 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <43924162.12716.EF62E3@localhost> References: <43924162.12716.EF62E3@localhost> Message-ID: <4393B846.8070103@cssinc.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 3 Dec 2005 at 15:53, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > >>HDTV is coming...a little touch of pancake makeup may not do the job >>anymore. >> >> > >I've seen HDTV in banks, restaurants, and department stores, and I don't really notice much >difference in terms of resolution. > > > There's a lot of confusion about HDTV. There's a lot of TV's being sold at places like Best Buy and Circuit City that are "HDTV Compatible" but not true HD resolution. They can show the true 16:9 picture but at a lower res than HD is capable of. The sad reality is that folks are going to buy these inferior sets because they don't know any better and they are (relatively) cheap and get turned off to HD. Your reaction is typical. Check out a REAL HD set sometime. The difference is astounding. -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 5 00:30:05 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:30:05 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <007001c5f8e3$a72f5990$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <43938A0D.16822.90839A@localhost> On 4 Dec 2005 at 10:01, Mark Watson wrote: > I don't personally watch a newscast because the anchors or > reporters are youthful looking. NECN's Tom Ellis may have a few > wrinkles, Channel 4's Jack Williams' hair has turned silver, but I'm > tuning into a newscast to get updated on local, national and > international news, wrinkles & hair color do not affect how Tom & Jack > report the news to me. I seem to remember a guy on Channel 22 in Springfield back in the 70s and maybe into the 80s who was downright elderly, but he did a great weather report. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 5 00:30:05 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:30:05 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <4393B846.8070103@cssinc.com> References: <43924162.12716.EF62E3@localhost> Message-ID: <43938A0D.21230.90840F@localhost> On 4 Dec 2005 at 22:47, Brian Vita wrote: > There's a lot of confusion about HDTV. There's a lot of TV's being > sold at places like Best Buy and Circuit City that are "HDTV > Compatible" but not true HD resolution. They can show the true 16:9 > picture but at a lower res than HD is capable of. The sad reality is > that folks are going to buy these inferior sets because they don't > know any better and they are (relatively) cheap and get turned off to > HD. Your reaction is typical. Check out a REAL HD set sometime. The > difference is astounding. So's the price. I'll check one out when I win the lottery. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hykker@grolen.com Mon Dec 5 07:23:13 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:23:13 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <43938A0D.21230.90840F@localhost> References: <43924162.12716.EF62E3@localhost> <43938A0D.21230.90840F@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051205072116.01b6c1f0@pop3.grolen.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 4 Dec 2005 at 22:47, Brian Vita wrote: > > > The sad reality is > > that folks are going to buy these inferior sets because they don't > > know any better and they are (relatively) cheap and get turned off to > > HD. Your reaction is typical. Check out a REAL HD set sometime. The > > difference is astounding. > >So's the price. I'll check one out when I win the lottery. The programming, for the most part isn't. I find very little worth watching in lo-def. From lspin@comcast.net Mon Dec 5 08:08:55 2005 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:08:55 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20051205072116.01b6c1f0@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <200512051311.jB5DBPPq050317@rolinin.bostonradio.org> I, too, am not impressed with what I've seen of HDTV in many places. I keep noticing (what look like) "JPEG artifacts" in some scenes, little criss-crossed lines in darker scenes, or in scenes where there is not a lot of contrast. It's distracting to me. Is this a product of inferior broadcast, or is it that the TV is a lower-quality HDTV? By the way, I thought that Todd Gross was one of the premier meteorologists we've ever had around the Boston area. He appeared to be a true weather-geek, never hiding his enthusiasm for all-things-atmospheric. I hope he turns up at another local station. Of course, Todd's name is immortalized as they used his name as that of the meteorologist in "The Perfect Storm." -Lou >On 4 Dec 2005 at 22:47, Brian Vita wrote: > > > The sad reality is > > that folks are going to buy these inferior sets because they don't > > know any better and they are (relatively) cheap and get turned off to > > HD. Your reaction is typical. Check out a REAL HD set sometime. The > > difference is astounding. > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 5 08:30:55 2005 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:30:55 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <200512051311.jB5DBPPq050317@rolinin.bostonradio.org> References: <200512051311.jB5DBPPq050317@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> Lou wrote: >I, too, am not impressed with what I've seen of HDTV in many places. I keep >noticing (what look like) "JPEG artifacts" in some scenes, little >criss-crossed lines in darker scenes, or in scenes where there is not a lot >of contrast. It's distracting to me. Is this a product of inferior >broadcast, or is it that the TV is a lower-quality HDTV? > > The JPEG pixelation is usually an indication of a degraded signal. Either you cable is flakey or the satellite feed is weak. As I said in an earlier post, true HDTV is actually pretty good. A lot of the junk in the big box stores is not true HD. I don't suggest running out to buy anything but if you're near a decent TV joint, take a look at some of the higher end stuff. The quality is there. Most of the network stuff is HD. A lot of the local stuff, spots, etc, hasn't made the transition yet. As much as I despise football, seeing the blades of grass or the beads of sweat on the player's foreheads was pretty amazing. Watching CSI: Deluth was pretty cool. Reruns of MASH on the same set looked like crap. -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From EBRadio@maine.rr.com Mon Dec 5 08:56:58 2005 From: EBRadio@maine.rr.com (EBRadio) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross let Go?? In-Reply-To: <200512051311.jB5DBPPq050317@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <002701c5f9a3$c2feef80$6701a8c0@yourxu5v9frokn> I think HDTV is outstanding! At least on my CRT Panasonic HDTV set. When I watch the HDTV Stations such as INDH, HDNet, ESPN-HD and the networks when they are broadcasting that signal, it truly is a great picture and has an awesome great depth of field. SS -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:09 AM To: 'bRI' Subject: RE: Todd Gross let Go?? I, too, am not impressed with what I've seen of HDTV in many places. I keep noticing (what look like) "JPEG artifacts" in some scenes, little criss-crossed lines in darker scenes, or in scenes where there is not a lot of contrast. It's distracting to me. Is this a product of inferior broadcast, or is it that the TV is a lower-quality HDTV? By the way, I thought that Todd Gross was one of the premier meteorologists we've ever had around the Boston area. He appeared to be a true weather-geek, never hiding his enthusiasm for all-things-atmospheric. I hope he turns up at another local station. Of course, Todd's name is immortalized as they used his name as that of the meteorologist in "The Perfect Storm." -Lou >On 4 Dec 2005 at 22:47, Brian Vita wrote: > > > The sad reality is > > that folks are going to buy these inferior sets because they don't > > know any better and they are (relatively) cheap and get turned off to > > HD. Your reaction is typical. Check out a REAL HD set sometime. The > > difference is astounding. > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Dec 5 09:01:46 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:01:46 -0500 Subject: HDTV In-Reply-To: <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> References: <200512051311.jB5DBPPq050317@rolinin.bostonradio.org> <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <17300.18506.647548.409553@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The JPEG pixelation is usually an indication of a degraded signal. > Either you cable is flakey or the satellite feed is weak. Actually, it's MPEG, not JPEG, in this case. (Although the inderlying principle -- the Discrete Cosine Transform -- is the same in both JPEG images and MPEG C-frames.) In any event, it's also an indication of an over-compressed signal, as when certain public broadcasters try to run PBS HD and a full slate of multicast feeds on the same multiplex. -GAWollman From francini@mac.com Mon Dec 5 10:59:47 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:59:47 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <001201c5f9b4$eea77ab0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> > Most of the network stuff is HD. A lot of the local stuff, spots, etc, > hasn't made the transition yet. As much as I despise football, seeing > the blades of grass or the beads of sweat on the player's foreheads was > pretty amazing. Watching CSI: Deluth was pretty cool. Reruns of MASH > on the same set looked like crap. Part of the problem may be that what's being re-run is a standard-def videotape made some time in the past, or a standard-def telecine is being used. (Do stations that air reruns of series shot on film have actual reels of film in their library, or do they have videotapes?) 35MM motion-picture film has higher resolution (in terms of the equivalent of pixels-per-inch) than any video format, even HD. What they'd need to do is re-do the telecine process with HD equipment. Even if it ends up being shown letterboxed, it'll still be a significantly better picture than standard def. John From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 5 15:26:49 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:26:49 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <001201c5f9b4$eea77ab0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> References: <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> <001201c5f9b4$eea77ab0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205152215.02298398@mail.mac.com> > >Part of the problem may be that what's being re-run is a standard-def >videotape made some time in the past, or a standard-def telecine is being >used. (Do stations that air reruns of series shot on film have actual reels >of film in their library, or do they have videotapes?) They have neither. The library is kept by the syndicator, and the individual shows fed by satellite a few days to a week prior to air, complete with the current barter spots (commercials). Usually the contract with the station prohibits them from building up a library of the show. Besides, who uses tape anymore? Everything you see aired on 7 that's not live or network is aired directly from hard-drive servers, except in an emergency. We still run tapes as backups, but they rarely make it to air. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Dec 5 16:43:32 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:43:32 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] Message-ID: <20051205214332.9494ACA0CD@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Francini" >To: "'Brian Vita'" , "'Lou'" >Subject: RE: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:59:47 -0500 > > 35MM motion-picture film has higher resolution (in terms of the equivalent > of pixels-per-inch) than any video format, even HD. What they'd need to do > is re-do the telecine process with HD equipment. Even if it ends up being > shown letterboxed, it'll still be a significantly better picture than > standard def. > > John Did you know that the movies "Eight Mile" and "The Longest Yard" were shot in 35MM...and they say that the British measure and metric systems are not compatible (allegedly the reason a recent Mars Explorer crashed). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From francini@mac.com Mon Dec 5 16:49:43 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:49:43 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205152215.02298398@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <004a01c5f9e5$d1946ec0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Okay, so someone, somewhere -- the syndicator -- should re-telecine the original films to 4:3 HD. I stand very corrected about TV stations and tapes -- should have realized that the digital revolution would have completely re-made the entire environment of a typical TV station. John > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Larry Weil > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 15:27 > To: 'bRI' > Subject: RE: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] > > > > > >Part of the problem may be that what's being re-run is a standard-def > >videotape made some time in the past, or a standard-def telecine is being > >used. (Do stations that air reruns of series shot on film have actual > reels > >of film in their library, or do they have videotapes?) > > They have neither. The library is kept by the syndicator, and the > individual shows fed by satellite a few days to a week prior to air, > complete with the current barter spots (commercials). Usually the > contract with the station prohibits them from building up a library > of the show. > > Besides, who uses tape anymore? Everything you see aired on 7 that's > not live or network is aired directly from hard-drive servers, except > in an emergency. We still run tapes as backups, but they rarely make > it to air. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 5 16:55:35 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:55:35 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <004a01c5f9e5$d1946ec0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205152215.02298398@mail.mac.com> <004a01c5f9e5$d1946ec0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> At 04:49 PM 12/5/2005, John Francini wrote: >Okay, so someone, somewhere -- the syndicator -- should re-telecine the >original films to 4:3 HD. Why? Are they gonna make more money by doing this? Are the stations gonna be able to charge more for commercials if this is done? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From francini@mac.com Mon Dec 5 17:13:25 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:13:25 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <20051205214332.9494ACA0CD@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004b01c5f9e9$2733a780$3d05440a@myopwv.com> I'm sure you're jesting... Even so, the one has nothing to do with the other. And it was indeed a conflict between British and Metric measures on two different subsystems that caused the Mars Polar Lander to be lost. Some details here: [Another ship, the Japanese Mars Explorer NOKUMI was also lost recently, but that was due to a different kind of flaw.] john > > 35MM motion-picture film has higher resolution (in terms of the > equivalent > > of pixels-per-inch) than any video format, even HD. What they'd need to > do > > is re-do the telecine process with HD equipment. Even if it ends up > being > > shown letterboxed, it'll still be a significantly better picture than > > standard def. > > > > John > > Did you know that the movies "Eight Mile" and "The Longest Yard" > were shot in 35MM...and they say that the British measure and metric > systems are not compatible (allegedly the reason a recent Mars Explorer > crashed). > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow > Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.a > sp?SRC=lycos10 From francini@mac.com Mon Dec 5 17:16:06 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:16:06 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Not necessarily; however, you wouldn't have people complaining that "reruns of older shows look like crap", especially when the original medium [film] is capable of very high resolution imagery. It might help HD acceptance to accelerate from people _wanting_ to have it rather than _needing_ to have it, as they will from 2009 onward. john > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of Larry Weil > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 16:56 > To: 'bRI' > Subject: RE: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] > > At 04:49 PM 12/5/2005, John Francini wrote: > > >Okay, so someone, somewhere -- the syndicator -- should re-telecine the > >original films to 4:3 HD. > > Why? Are they gonna make more money by doing this? Are the stations > gonna be able to charge more for commercials if this is done? > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 5 17:45:44 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:45:44 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> At 05:16 PM 12/5/2005, John Francini wrote: >It might help HD acceptance to >accelerate from people _wanting_ to have it rather than _needing_ to have >it, as they will from 2009 onward. The broadcasters are not looking for HD acceptance, to them HD is an expense item and not a source of profit. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 5 18:16:10 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:16:10 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <16223.12.37.144.130.1133823192.squirrel@12.37.144.130> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> <16223.12.37.144.130.1133823192.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205181311.022b9f00@mail.mac.com> At 05:53 PM 12/5/2005, Stephanie Weil wrote: > >Larry Weil wrote: > > The broadcasters are not looking for HD acceptance, to them HD is an > > expense item and not a source of profit. > >Television stations would much prefer it if they could use their HDTV >bandwith to multi-cast 4 or 5 "Standard definition" digital channels. > >You can sell more commercials that way. Yea, but that's not HDTV, that's SDTV. If the subject is HDTV acceptance, digital multicasting is not the same thing. Perhaps a better term for what you are talking about is DTV acceptance. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 5 19:53:55 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:53:55 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205195119.02296740@mail.mac.com> At 07:23 PM 12/5/2005, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: >I wonder which Boston station will be >the first to do their local news in HD? I can't say for sure, but I can let you know that 7 went on line with our new digital control room this weekend. Even in analog, you can see the difference, especially in the graphics. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 21:57:04 2005 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: HDTV In-Reply-To: <17300.18506.647548.409553@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20051206025704.22839.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:01:46 -0500 Garrett Wollman wrote, in reference to visible pixellation on digital TV signals (analog AND DTV) with little to no color contrast: > In any event, it's also an indication of an > over-compressed signal, as > when certain public broadcasters try to run PBS HD > and a full slate of > multicast feeds on the same multiplex. I have seen this phenomena as well, but I've noticed that its MUCH more pronounced in digital versions of standard analog NTSC signals. Another "flaw" in the HDTV codec that I've noticed is that it has a rough time handling shots with extremely quick camera motion. I've noticed this most clearly in football game and NASCAR race telecasts. Whenever the camera has to move very quickly, you can see a weird form of pixellation on the picture that is hard to describe. Based on my experience as a computer programmer and dealing with various digital audio/video codecs, it appears to me that its an underlying issue with the codec itself and not of the quality of the DTV signal, although I am by no means a professional engineer in DTV technology and could be wrong. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 22:06:01 2005 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:06:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205195119.02296740@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20051206030601.40153.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:53:55 -0500 Larry Weil wrote: > At 07:23 PM 12/5/2005, marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > > >I wonder which Boston station will be > >the first to do their local news in HD? > > I can't say for sure, but I can let you know that 7 > went on line with > our new digital control room this weekend. Even in > analog, you can > see the difference, especially in the graphics. > That is gonna be interesting to see not only in markets like Boston, but markets of various sizes around the country. I expect that all of the major markets, like Boston, NY and Los Angeles will be first to convert, but it will be interesting to see how long it takes stations in medium to smaller markets to convert all their studio/camera/news/hard drive recording and playback systems equipment over. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 22:10:51 2005 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:10:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20051206031051.18894.qmail@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:55:35 -0500 Larry Weil wrote: > At 04:49 PM 12/5/2005, John Francini wrote: > > >Okay, so someone, somewhere -- the syndicator -- > should re-telecine the > >original films to 4:3 HD. > > Why? Are they gonna make more money by doing this? > Are the stations > gonna be able to charge more for commercials if this > is done? Maybe not right now, as HDTV is only in its infancy, but down the road I would think so. As more and more Americans start getting HDTVs, I can see a demand developing for something like this, and someone in the industry will eventually figure it out and make good money from it. But right now, the vast majority of Americans still only have NTSC sets, and as long as thats the case its not a feasible business decision IMHO. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 6 00:49:10 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:49:10 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <001201c5f9b4$eea77ab0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> References: <4394410F.3020803@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4394E006.20810.6FA4C5@localhost> On 5 Dec 2005 at 10:59, John Francini wrote: > Part of the problem may be that what's being re-run is a standard-def > videotape made some time in the past, or a standard-def telecine is > being used. (Do stations that air reruns of series shot on film have > actual reels of film in their library, or do they have videotapes?) What's telecine? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From stephanie@home3.gordsven.com Mon Dec 5 17:53:12 2005 From: stephanie@home3.gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <16223.12.37.144.130.1133823192.squirrel@12.37.144.130> >Larry Weil wrote: > The broadcasters are not looking for HD acceptance, to them HD is an > expense item and not a source of profit. Television stations would much prefer it if they could use their HDTV bandwith to multi-cast 4 or 5 "Standard definition" digital channels. You can sell more commercials that way. That's one of the selling points of the USA's digital radio system. More openings for more spots. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Dec 5 19:23:15 2005 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:23:15 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205165349.022e98f8@mail.mac.com> <004c01c5f9e9$8a35b940$3d05440a@myopwv.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051205174202.022ba9e0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 5, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 05:16 PM 12/5/2005, John Francini wrote: >> It might help HD acceptance to >> accelerate from people _wanting_ to have it rather than _needing_ >> to have >> it, as they will from 2009 onward. > > The broadcasters are not looking for HD acceptance, to them HD is > an expense item and not a source of profit. I don't disagree, but it's a shortsighted view. Once you get HDTV, you never want to watch anything in SD if you don't have to. I've always had a preference for Letterman, but before he switched to HD, I was watching a lot more of the Tonight Show. This is the way it will be in the future as the price comes down and HDTV becomes the norm. Eventually broadcasters will realize that HD is not only a source of profit, it is a key to their survival. They have a big bandwidth advantage over cable channel 291, so if they're smart, they'll make use of it. I wonder which Boston station will be the first to do their local news in HD? Mark From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Dec 6 02:27:44 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:27:44 -0500 Subject: HDTV In-Reply-To: <20051206025704.22839.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <17300.18506.647548.409553@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <20051206025704.22839.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17301.15728.78973.298604@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Another "flaw" in the HDTV codec that I've noticed is that it has a > rough time handling shots with extremely quick camera motion. It's not a codec problem; it's a bandwidth budget problem. DTV uses the standard MPEG-2 video codec; if you give it enough bandwidth, it will do 30 fps in 1080i without visible artifacts. But if you're trying to squeeze it into 10 or 20 Mbit/s it's necessary to make some visible omissions. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 03:06:25 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:06:25 -0500 Subject: Herald: Gross blows out of Ch. 7 on ill wind Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512060006o14cfd761kb188d03c8deacd3d@mail.gmail.com> More on Todd Gross' firing from Herald Inside Track http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=115678 "On Friday, WHDH-TV's chief meteorologist was called up to human resources after he went on the air to tease the 4 p.m. weathercast. There, Gross got his walking papers and station suits loomed over him as he packed his belongings in a box. "Sources told us Todd was escorted from the building in tears and watched in anguish while his security pass was destroyed." From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 6 08:46:11 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: Herald: Gross blows out of Ch. 7 on ill wind Message-ID: <200512060846.AA1459028164@mail.ttlc.net> Very negative article. From pete@partnercomm.com Tue Dec 6 10:42:04 2005 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:42:04 -0500 Subject: HDTV In-Reply-To: <17301.15728.78973.298604@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <17300.18506.647548.409553@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <20051206025704.22839.qmail@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17301.15728.78973.298604@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4395B14C.6000908@partnercomm.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: >It's not a codec problem; it's a bandwidth budget problem. DTV uses >the standard MPEG-2 video codec; if you give it enough bandwidth, it >will do 30 fps in 1080i without visible artifacts. But if you're >trying to squeeze it into 10 or 20 Mbit/s it's necessary to make some >visible omissions. > >-GAWollman > > To expand further, the problem is frame delta. The MPEG-2 compression algorithm relies partially on pixels remaining the same from frame to frame. The fewer pixels change, the less bandwidth is needed for the video stream. This is why some webcams can look almost photo quality, until something in the frame changes... -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From pete@partnercomm.com Tue Dec 6 10:46:11 2005 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:46:11 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <20051206030601.40153.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051206030601.40153.qmail@web36909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4395B243.1060704@partnercomm.com> Matthew Osborne wrote: >That is gonna be interesting to see not only in >markets like Boston, but markets of various sizes >around the country. I expect that all of the major >markets, like Boston, NY and Los Angeles will be first >to convert, but it will be interesting to see how long >it takes stations in medium to smaller markets to >convert all their studio/camera/news/hard drive >recording and playback systems equipment over. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > WUSA-TV 9 here in Washington DC is running their newscasts in HDTV. They started in Septermber. -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From pete@partnercomm.com Tue Dec 6 10:56:52 2005 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:56:52 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <20051206031051.18894.qmail@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051206031051.18894.qmail@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4395B4C4.50407@partnercomm.com> Matthew Osborne wrote: >Maybe not right now, as HDTV is only in its infancy, >but down the road I would think so. As more and more >Americans start getting HDTVs, I can see a demand >developing for something like this, and someone in the >industry will eventually figure it out and make good >money from it. But right now, the vast majority of >Americans still only have NTSC sets, and as long as >thats the case its not a feasible business decision >IMHO. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > HDTV is more a toddler than an infant right now but remember, as with any of this broadcasting/entertainment industry - the consumer is rightfully technologically agnostic. They care about the cost to them, and care slightly more about the content. If given the choice between watching a program that has quality look/sound versus one that is pixelated and looks terrible, one will likely choose the clearer. Its similar to choosing between a noisy weaker analog signal versus a full-strength signal (whether FM, AM, NTSC or ATSC). Why risk turning off your viewers? It is a very real possibility that Joe Consumer would defer the purchase of HD reception hardware if he sees that most of the content out there looks worse with his new $3000 TV... Of course (pardon my ignorance) - what would it cost to upconvert older programming (on film) to native HD resolutions? Aren't they often doing this as programs are re-released to DVD? -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 11:19:23 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:19:23 -0500 Subject: Herald: Gross blows out of Ch. 7 on ill wind In-Reply-To: <200512060846.AA1459028164@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512060846.AA1459028164@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512060819s5a63c476y99ce8f3a218fe470@mail.gmail.com> Some posts on http://www.btvn.net are saying that the Herald report was melodramatic and even "made up". Gross himself has posted on that list and promises more details about what really happened. A link to the Globe's article: http://www.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2005/12/06/weatherman_gross_leaves_ch_7/ On 12/6/05, rogerkirk wrote: > Very negative article. > > > > From kwillcox@wnsh.com Tue Dec 6 14:10:10 2005 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:10:10 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051206140356.04fb3e60@mail.comcast.net> I have a "ready for digital" TV set. Cost was $700, not a plasma screen, but a big box. With the receiver from comcast, we get about 12 HD stations in HD. The picture is so fabulous that I will gladly watch shows I would otherwise ignore. Sometimes the pixilation is a problem, but a radio shack signal amplifier worked wonders, and the problem is minimal. I think that HD makes old analog channels look really cheap. I suspect as the new TV sets and equipment come down in price, in 5 years everything will be HD. Is there an archive for TV and radio personnel abrupt firings....I feel bad for Todd...there are so many stories about abrupt firings of individuals. When we automated stations, I tried to make the personnel changes easy, but no one likes to lose their job, so sometimes firings are very abrupt. Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly 'playing the best music ever recorded' kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com 978-921-1570 FAX 978-468-1954 376 Hale Street, Beverly, MA 01915 From sid1030@yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 21:55:16 2005 From: sid1030@yahoo.com (Sid Whitaker) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:55:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: WINS drops teletype bed Message-ID: <20051207025516.54231.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> did I miss something? Listening to WINS on the web and no teletype. Haven't heard them in a while...did they drop it? Sid __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Dec 6 22:29:23 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:29:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: WINS drops teletype bed In-Reply-To: <20051207025516.54231.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051207025516.54231.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1683.66.65.49.10.1133926163.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Tue, December 6, 2005 21:55, Sid Whitaker said: > did I miss something? Listening to WINS on the web and > no teletype. Haven't heard them in a while...did they drop it? Nope. I'm listening to 10-10 WINS right now and the teletype's in the back clicking away. Maybe the teletype jammed or ran out of paper? *wink wink* In all seriousness, the machine making the effect could have jammed up. Earlier this week, I know 10-10 WINS had some trouble with a UPS controller that cut power to their studios and WINSers were broadcasting from NewsRadio 88's studios. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 6 22:38:45 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:38:45 -0500 Subject: WINS drops teletype bed In-Reply-To: <20051207025516.54231.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051206223751.020a36b0@gwind.pair.com> At 06:55 PM 12/6/2005 -0800, Sid Whitaker wrote: >did I miss something? Listening to WINS on the web and >no teletype. Haven't heard them in a while...did they >drop it? I think the "on the web" is the key here - I bet the teletype noises are being added to the audio somewhere after it's split off for the web feed. (I'm in WINS' Toronto null here, so no joy trying to hear it over the air...) s From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Dec 6 23:08:29 2005 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:08:29 -0500 Subject: Todd Gross being fired ... Message-ID: <200512070408.jB748mF1079480@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Hi all, My post with the link to an interview with Todd Gross being fired keeps bouncing back. However, if you go to Mark Jurkowitz's Media Log site, the link is there. Best, Anthony Schinella Program Director/News/A&E WKXL 1450 AM/Concord, NH http://www.wkxl1450.com http://politizine.blogspot.com WKXL: Winner of six 2005 Golden Mike Awards - more than any other radio station in New Hampshire! From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 7 00:55:06 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:55:06 -0500 Subject: Standard def reruns aired on HD [was Re: Todd Gross let Go??] In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051205152215.02298398@mail.mac.com> References: <001201c5f9b4$eea77ab0$3d05440a@myopwv.com> Message-ID: <439632EA.22488.67708E@localhost> On 5 Dec 2005 at 15:26, Larry Weil wrote: > Besides, who uses tape anymore? Everything you see aired on 7 that's > not live or network is aired directly from hard-drive servers, except > in an emergency. We still run tapes as backups, but they rarely make > it to air. I wonder if that explains some of the technical glitches I've seen lately, with the video suddenly freezing or jumping, audio dropouts, etc. And tonight, while watching "Commander in Chief," the music sounded as though it was being played on a warped phonograph record. I used to note the same problem on WPTR when I could listen to it on AM. I'm sure a hard drive can operate without these problems, since I've never heard them on WJIB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 7 11:39:10 2005 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:39:10 -0500 Subject: WINS drops teletype bed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:29:23 EST." <1683.66.65.49.10.1133926163.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <200512071639.jB7GdAqR007241@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> >Maybe the teletype jammed or ran out of paper? *wink wink* > >In all seriousness, the machine making the effect could have jammed up. One would think the sound effect would be on a hard drive system, like everything else these days. In the "old days", it would've been a continuous-loop cart, but nobody uses those anymore (unless they've got a fanatic CE who keeps one cart machine going solely for that purpose! Nah, they wouldn't do that...). I'm sure Scott's also right in that they'd only use it for their AM broadcast feed. There might be something of a technical advantage to having a source of constant "background noise" on an AM station (with a format that's mostly vocal) to help drown out the usual background static, something that isn't an issue for a webcast (or for FM, for that matter). -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Dec 7 12:16:37 2005 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:16:37 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect Message-ID: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Does anyone have a thunderous teletype effect like the one WBZ used to use for the "First, Fast & Factual" news intro from the 60's? I have the music Stinger and would like to recreate the news intro but don't have a thunderous teletype like that one - the ones I have are the "wussy" background teletypes. -Gary Francis From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 7 14:09:52 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:09:52 -0500 Subject: "Boston Tonight" on WRKO? Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512071109g74434db0j68f1924e19d5752c@mail.gmail.com> Am hearing some brief promos on WRKO that sound something like this: Man's voice: "I'm not going to bars anymore. I'm going to museums to meet women." Announcer: "A taste of Boston Tonight, weeknights at 7 starting Monday on WRKO" Wha...? Don't know yet what it is but it could be a) a feature-ette about what to see and do in Boston tonight b)an hour or so of news/features (shaving off part of Savage's show) c)new live-and-local talk. (As it is, WRKO goes syndie now from 7 pm to 5 am, not counting when Celtics play) From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Dec 7 13:19:33 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:19:33 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0c8601c5fb5a$c6500ad0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Question for all of you who remember that stinger (which was used on Group W's other stations as well, in addition to being the stinger for RCA's old TV ads): What was the name of it, and who recorded it? My perception always was that it must have come from some symphonic piece, though I didn't (and don't) recognize it. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect > Does anyone have a thunderous teletype effect like the one WBZ used to use > for the "First, Fast & Factual" news intro from the 60's? I have the music > Stinger and would like to recreate the news intro but don't have a > thunderous teletype like that one - the ones I have are the "wussy" > background teletypes. > > -Gary Francis > > > From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Dec 7 14:19:24 2005 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:19:24 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <0c8601c5fb5a$c6500ad0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <200512071953.jB7JrE4H091457@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Actually the "Stinger" I was talking about was the musical ID stinger that came before the symphonic piece. The news intro "symphonic music" was actually from the "Victory at Sea" tv series. It was on the sountrack vinyl albums - but is NOT on the sountrack CD's. -Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: Doug Drown [mailto:revdoug1@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:20 PM To: Gary's Ice Cream; Boston radio e-mail list Subject: Re: Speaking of news teletype sound effect Question for all of you who remember that stinger (which was used on Group W's other stations as well, in addition to being the stinger for RCA's old TV ads): What was the name of it, and who recorded it? My perception always was that it must have come from some symphonic piece, though I didn't (and don't) recognize it. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect > Does anyone have a thunderous teletype effect like the one WBZ used to use > for the "First, Fast & Factual" news intro from the 60's? I have the music > Stinger and would like to recreate the news intro but don't have a > thunderous teletype like that one - the ones I have are the "wussy" > background teletypes. > > -Gary Francis > > > From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Dec 7 15:50:34 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Wed, December 7, 2005 12:16, Gary's Ice Cream said: > the ones I have are the "wussy" > background teletypes. My teletype can beat up your teletype? ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From Rogerkola@aol.com Wed Dec 7 16:27:51 2005 From: Rogerkola@aol.com (Rogerkola) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:27:51 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <002e01c5fb75$186b7c90$6823a8c0@Sales2> I actualy have a teletype...you can have it if you want, then then you could have TTY background even on FM! Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Gary's Ice Cream" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of news teletype sound effect > > On Wed, December 7, 2005 12:16, Gary's Ice Cream said: >> the ones I have are the "wussy" >> background teletypes. > > My teletype can beat up your teletype? ;) > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Dec 7 16:15:40 2005 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:15:40 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <200512072149.jB7LnKif092619@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Betcha it can't! -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Weil [mailto:stephanie@gordsven.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:51 PM To: Gary's Ice Cream Cc: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: Re: Speaking of news teletype sound effect On Wed, December 7, 2005 12:16, Gary's Ice Cream said: > the ones I have are the "wussy" > background teletypes. My teletype can beat up your teletype? ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Dec 7 17:26:29 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:26:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <002e01c5fb75$186b7c90$6823a8c0@Sales2> References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130> <002e01c5fb75$186b7c90$6823a8c0@Sales2> Message-ID: <23258.12.37.144.130.1133994389.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Wed, December 7, 2005 16:27, Rogerkola said: > I actualy have a teletype...you can have it if you want, then then you > could have TTY background even on FM! The problem would be finding a news service to hook it up to. I wonder if AP would still "feed" one of these things if you wanted to install it? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Dec 7 19:41:06 2005 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:41:06 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu><51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130><002e01c5fb75$186b7c90$6823a8c0@Sales2> <23258.12.37.144.130.1133994389.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <002101c5fb90$134860a0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I think Prensa Latina on shortwave might be your best bet now-a-days.... Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Rogerkola" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of news teletype sound effect > > On Wed, December 7, 2005 16:27, Rogerkola said: > > I actualy have a teletype...you can have it if you want, then then you > > could have TTY background even on FM! > > The problem would be finding a news service to hook it up to. > > I wonder if AP would still "feed" one of these things if you wanted to > install it? > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > From hykker@grolen.com Wed Dec 7 19:15:53 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:15:53 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <23258.12.37.144.130.1133994389.squirrel@12.37.144.130> References: <200512071748.jB7Hm64D089830@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <51078.12.37.144.130.1133988634.squirrel@12.37.144.130> <002e01c5fb75$186b7c90$6823a8c0@Sales2> <23258.12.37.144.130.1133994389.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051207191504.01b61860@pop3.grolen.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: >The problem would be finding a news service to hook it up to. > >I wonder if AP would still "feed" one of these things if you wanted to >install it? Didn't those run at 56 Baud or something equally speedy? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Dec 7 20:25:02 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect Message-ID: <200512072025.AA3753574692@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz wrote: >Didn't those run at 56 Baud or something equally speedy? IIRC, it was 110 baud. From francini@mac.com Thu Dec 8 00:16:47 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John J. Francini) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:16:47 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: <200512072025.AA3753574692@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512072025.AA3753574692@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: At 20:25 -0500 12/7/05, rogerkirk wrote: >SteveOrdinetz wrote: >>Didn't those run at 56 Baud or something equally speedy? > >IIRC, it was 110 baud. Computer teletypes -- that speak 8-bit-per-character ASCII -- ran (run?) at 110 baud -- 10 characters a second. Each character at that rate was 11 bits long: 1 start bit, 8 bits of data, and 2 stop bits. Wire service TTYs spoke a 5-bit code, called Baudot, that ran at 50, 60, or 75 baud. Depended on the service provider. The 5-bit code only allows for 32 characters. In order to handle both numbers and letters, two characters were reserved for the special functions SHIFT IN and SHIFT OUT. On receipt of SHIFT IN, the printer mechanism would shift from printing letters to printing figures (numbers and special characters). The printer would revert to letters upon receipt of the SHIFT OUT character. Probably a case of Too Much Information, but I've always had a soft spot for TTYs... john -- ---- John Francini +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; | | that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress.| | And by God I have had _this_ Congress!" | | -- John Adams | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:12:03 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:12:03 -0500 Subject: Boston Radio Watch: WRKO ditches Savage for Fineburg Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512080012v1e88e7e5k4e3e94ad107fb4c1@mail.gmail.com> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com "On Monday(12/12), WRKO's current weekend talk talent Todd Feinburg will launch a life & leisure-focused talk program called "The Taste of Boston Tonight". In what is reportedly to be a barter-time/pay-for-play arrangement as The Talk Station will ditch syndicated 'compassionate' conservative Michael Savage(who may be headed to another outlet in Boston?)" From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Dec 8 10:06:25 2005 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:06:25 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:26:29 EST." <23258.12.37.144.130.1133994389.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <200512081506.jB8F6PjF014760@grumpy-fuzzball.mit.edu> >I wonder if AP would still "feed" one of these things if you wanted to >install it? Highly doubtful. I think we had one of the last of the old AP teletypes in service at WMBR. AP wanted us to upgrade our service, saying that they were looking to discontinue teletype service, but the cost was too much, so we ultimately dropped it. That was 20 years ago. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 8 13:21:53 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:21:53 -0500 Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512081021v75506221ob03aaa2e87a0e97d@mail.gmail.com> Actually an update on the 'RKO situation from Boston Radio Watch says that after the new Taste Of Boston Tonight show (7-10), the station will keep Savage but air him tape delayed (10p-1a). Am assuming Noory will continue to air at 1 am.. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 8 19:03:07 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:03:07 -0500 Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time Message-ID: <200512081903.AA2169372868@mail.ttlc.net> Arrrgggghh! Now, where can I listen to a voice of reason - the John Bachelor Show? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bob Nelson Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:21:53 -0500 >Actually an update on the 'RKO situation from Boston Radio Watch says >that after the new >Taste Of Boston Tonight show (7-10), the station will keep Savage but >air him tape >delayed (10p-1a). Am assuming Noory will continue to air at 1 am.. > > From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu Dec 8 19:15:27 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:15:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time In-Reply-To: <200512081903.AA2169372868@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512081903.AA2169372868@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1595.24.215.206.63.1134087327.squirrel@24.215.206.63> On Thu, December 8, 2005 19:03, rogerkirk said: > Arrrgggghh! Now, where can I listen to a voice of > reason - the John Bachelor Show? Does the ABC Radio flagship (WABC-New York) stream the show on their website? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 8 19:17:30 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:17:30 -0500 Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time In-Reply-To: <200512081903.AA2169372868@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512081903.AA2169372868@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051208191518.022a17d0@mail.mac.com> At 07:03 PM 12/8/2005, rogerkirk wrote: >Arrrgggghh! Now, where can I listen to a voice of >reason - the John Bachelor Show? The show is on Sirius, Channel 143 (ABC News and Talk). Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 8 19:31:02 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:31:02 -0500 Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time Message-ID: <200512081931.AA1685782650@mail.ttlc.net> I was thinking Terrestrial Radio. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Larry Weil Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:17:30 -0500 >At 07:03 PM 12/8/2005, rogerkirk wrote: > >>Arrrgggghh! Now, where can I listen to a voice of >>reason - the John Bachelor Show? > >The show is on Sirius, Channel 143 (ABC News and Talk). > > >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH > > From billo@shoreham.net Thu Dec 8 21:35:13 2005 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:35:13 -0500 Subject: Speaking of news teletype sound effect In-Reply-To: References: <200512072025.AA3753574692@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4398ED61.8090709@shoreham.net> John J. Francini wrote: > Wire service TTYs spoke a 5-bit code, called Baudot, that ran at 50, > 60, or 75 baud. Depended on the service provider. The 5-bit code only > allows for 32 characters. This brings back memory of changing the ubiquitous teletype ribbons, with the black ink on fingers for the remainder of the day...and next. Newsrooms got just too quiet when the clunkers went museum. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 9 20:48:25 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:48:25 -0500 Subject: 'RKO keeps Savage but changes time In-Reply-To: <200512081931.AA1685782650@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512081931.AA1685782650@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512091748t5b9693a3ra7579460e2ebe8e@mail.gmail.com> WABeatleC still airs it. You also can go to the following page, click on "The John Batchelor Show", and enter your zip. It stills says WRKO airs it...well, tonight's the last night... http://abcradio.go.com/?bay=content.view&catid=63&cpid=179 From paulconnors@earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 16:00:53 2005 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:00:53 -0500 Subject: WINS drops teletype bed Message-ID: <380-2200512372105383@earthlink.net> On 7 Dec 2005 at 11:39, Shawn Mamros wrote: > In the "old days", it would've been a > continuous-loop cart, but nobody uses those anymore (unless they've > got a fanatic CE who keeps one cart machine going solely for that > purpose! Nah, they wouldn't do that...). Of course a continuous-loop teletype SFX cart was used behind many newscasts, and not only on all-news stations. Who can forget the lovely sound of the splice going by..."blurp"... especially on stations running lots of compression! I remember the days (until the mid-'70's) when WORC in Worcester had two actual teletypes in the news studio chattering away live on the air. One for AP and the other UPI. How many listeners these days actually know what that "noise" in the background on WINS newscasts is? Would it mean anything to folks under, say, 40? Paul Connors From rjoc@webtv.net Sun Dec 11 15:00:09 2005 From: rjoc@webtv.net (Rod O'Connor) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:00:09 GMT Subject: WINS drops teletype bed Message-ID: <20051211200009.5679BD62B@smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net> Probably not...just like most under 40's don't know or remember the old CONELRAD system...640 and 1240 with the distinctive marks on the AM dial. We could probably start yet another thread on this old subject. BTW... speaking of carts...Did anybody catch on last week's 60 minutes interview with Howard Stern there were shots of his studios and lo and behold; a whole wall full of carts...although they were red-colored..maybe a special type??? Definitely caught my eye. especially for somebody who is so technologically advanced and going into Satellite Radio, to be using old carts. I didn't notice if there was a bulk eraser in the background! Deja-vu back to my 70's/80's college radio, then Armed Forces Radio days. Rod O'Connor Southwest Harbor, Maine From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 11 22:00:41 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:00:41 -0500 Subject: WINS drops teletype bed In-Reply-To: <20051211200009.5679BD62B@smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <439CA189.9946.30BC11@localhost> On 11 Dec 2005 at 20:00, Rod O'Connor wrote: > Probably not...just like most under 40's don't know or remember the > old CONELRAD system...640 and 1240 with the distinctive marks on the > AM dial. We could probably start yet another thread on this old > subject. Occasionally we have. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dcassell@gmail.com Mon Dec 12 11:14:07 2005 From: dcassell@gmail.com (Damon Cassell) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:14:07 -0500 Subject: WINS drops teletype bed In-Reply-To: <20051211200009.5679BD62B@smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net> References: <20051211200009.5679BD62B@smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2979f9f40512120814x42991215y819eebed82048946@mail.gmail.com> Last week during one of his shows Stern actually spent some time talking about the carts. Apparently WXRK is not allowing Stern to take his carts with him to Sirius. This is also briefly mentioned on Stern's web page. I believe Stern owns the material but not the actual carts. Stern did mention that "nobody uses carts" any more, but that he'd like to bulk erase them if WXRK won't let him take them -- except WXRK has no bulk eraser. I'm assuming that Stern's people are probably copying the carts to media that he can take with him, otherwise the show could effectively be crippled.. he relies heavily on them. Damon On 12/11/05, Rod O'Connor wrote: > BTW... speaking of carts...Did anybody catch on last week's 60 minutes interview with >Howard Stern there were shots of his studios and lo and behold; a whole wall full of carts...although they were red-colored..maybe a special type??? Definitely caught my eye. especially for somebody who is so technologically advanced and going into Satellite Radio, to be using old carts. I didn't notice if there was a bulk eraser in the background! From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Dec 13 08:45:43 2005 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:43 -0500 Subject: Temporary morning news person needed from Dec 26 - Jan 10 Message-ID: <200512131421.jBDELHQZ078679@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I need a part-time morning news person to do fill-in while I go on vacation from Dec 26 - Jan 10. Hours are 5am - 9am or so...Mon thru Saturday (Sat is 6 - 10am). You need to have some basic DOS and Windows computer skills and be able to use Outlook Express and Cool Edit. Interested, please e-mail me off list. news@wcap.net -Gary Francis From kwillcox@wnsh.com Tue Dec 13 13:22:49 2005 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:22:49 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 9, Issue 339 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051213131841.01333c90@mail.comcast.net> >I regret the departure of WRKO's marvelous John Bachelor Show, and I >can find no other outlet closer than 77 WABC in New York. ANy ideas >before I go get Sirius or XM where his show is carried? The replacement show seemed more about women finding hot dating bars to hook up with guys. Oh well. And when the Celtics are on, half the time they play really badly. I am rather fond of the 96.9 afternoon show. I think he is a refreshing alternative to Jay, but I would listen to both if I could. Any word when Jay will start up again? Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ Willow Farm, Inc. 3 Longmeadow Way Hamilton, MA 01936-0403 (508) 954-1282 FAX (978) 468-1954 www.tallshipformidable.com www.wnsh.com kwillcox@wnsh.com Formidable reservations (617) 262-1119 Formidable and Poincare are located at Waterboat Marina Aquarium T stop, walk to end of Long Wharf. We are on the left. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 14 03:16:36 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:16:36 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 9, Issue 339 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051213131841.01333c90@mail.comcast.net> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051213131841.01333c90@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512140016t32e885d4kd471f9b08d311d8d@mail.gmail.com> >>Any word when Jay will start up again? His new show debuts Jan 3 on stations like WPHT (1210) in Philly. While no Boston station has been named yet, many feel it'll be WBZ, and one messageboard post I read hinted he might start there in April (just about time Bruins season winds down?). Of course we are still awaiting the official announcement. Jay's contract with Greater Media ends on Dec 31, so maybe a day or so afterward a deal can be made with Infinity, and announced, etc. On 12/13/05, Keating Willcox wrote: > > >I regret the departure of WRKO's marvelous John Bachelor Show, and I > >can find no other outlet closer than 77 WABC in New York. ANy ideas > >before I go get Sirius or XM where his show is carried? > > > The replacement show seemed more about women finding hot dating bars > to hook up with guys. Oh well. And when the Celtics are on, half the > time they play really badly. > > I am rather fond of the 96.9 afternoon show. I think he is a > refreshing alternative to Jay, but I would listen to both if I could. > Any word when Jay will start up again? > > > Sincerely, > > Keating Willcox ~/~ > > Willow Farm, Inc. > 3 Longmeadow Way > Hamilton, MA 01936-0403 > (508) 954-1282 FAX (978) 468-1954 > www.tallshipformidable.com > www.wnsh.com > kwillcox@wnsh.com > > Formidable reservations (617) 262-1119 > Formidable and Poincare are located at Waterboat Marina > Aquarium T stop, walk to end of Long Wharf. We are on the left. > > > From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 14 16:56:55 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:56:55 -0500 Subject: "Open Source" Rerun Shifted on WUML Message-ID: <20051214215655.3FE9F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Reruns of Chris Lydon's "Open Source" show that airs live on WGBH-FM M-Tu-W-Th nights at 7:00 now air on WUML-FM 91.5 in Lowell Tu-W-Th-F mornings at 6:05 am. Previously, the tape-delayed version of Chris's listener-challenged show ran at 9:00 am...apparently the "Stephanie Miller" juggernaut was too much for WUML to contend with, so they're putting it on at 6:00 am weekdays when there's nothing else on. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 14 17:45:35 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:45:35 -0500 Subject: "Open Source" Rerun Shifted on WUML In-Reply-To: <20051214215655.3FE9F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051214215655.3FE9F3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051214174456.022df138@mail.mac.com> At 04:56 PM 12/14/2005, Laurence Glavin wrote: >apparently >the "Stephanie Miller" juggernaut Please explain? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Dec 14 19:29:22 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:29:22 -0500 Subject: Something's Afoot At ABC Radio Message-ID: <200512141929.AA2055602248@mail.ttlc.net> Since my comment about WRKO dropping the John Batchelor Show, there have been several interesting developments. 1. ABC Radio's Web Site lists his show time as one hour - 12:00 AM to 1:00 AM. 2. The "contact show" e-mail link bounces. 3. The ABC Radio link to "JohnBatchelorShow.com" is locked down and passworded. 4. The WebSite "www.JohnBatchelorShow.com" is "forbidden" Anybody here know wha' happen'd? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 03:09:37 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:09:37 -0500 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot (after "stunt"?) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512150009v581a02b2i3b685fd7e96ddebc@mail.gmail.com> It has been said on various places online that Mike Adams was to get the former Ted Sarandis time slot on WEEI; that it was pretty much a done deal, and any on-air jabbering about 'EEI dragging their feet on giving him the slot was simply goofing around. So tonight, Mike supposedly locked himself in the studio (heavy bookcase next to the door) and said that he had a deadline: he had to know NOW if WEEI was giving him the show. If not, he'd be accepting a job doing overnights in Cleveland (what, WKNR? I would highly doubt a Cle. station would have live and local overnight sports talk. If WEEI wouldn't go for live/local overnight, WKNR surely wouldn't). Finally about halfway through--9:40 pm, PD Jason Wolfe called in and said his cell phone battery was dead from having to answer all the calls (we have his private number?) and he'd gotten about 1,000 emails begging them to officially hire Mike. "I'm offering you the job." Mike gratefully accepted and it was said he officially starts tomorrow night, name of show to be determined. Later, Fox Sports Radio's JT The Brick (heard here on 'EEI ) congratulated Mike on officially inheriting the Sarandis time slot, and he also praised Wolfe. A stunt? I'm guessing yes. But you did tune in, didn't ya..I kept going between that and political talk; something about a governor announcing he wouldn't run again... From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Dec 15 08:33:56 2005 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:33:56 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale In-Reply-To: <43621E46.15930.A132F90@localhost> Message-ID: <001301c6017c$3368b370$640fa8c0@elara> Well there's always room for ANOTHER oldies station in Boston... Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 Voice +1-978-538-7550 Fax www.cssinc.com > > On 28 Oct 2005 Shawn Mamros wrote: > > > - Woody Tanger is meeting with CRB representatives today. > His Marlin > > Broadcasting might be interested in purchasing the company. > I suspect > > that may be the most likely way - indeed, probably the only > way - for > > classical to remain on 102.5's primary channel. > > Yeah, just like WBOQ. ;-< > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Dec 15 10:11:23 2005 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:11:23 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:38:30 EST." <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <200512151511.jBFFBN7K024478@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Don't know if anyone else noticed it, but the Glob is reporting this morning that CRB is planning an announcement of their sale soon. No word on who it is, but we know at least one who it isn't - Woody Tanger. His $60.5 million bid was turned down as being "substantially too low". Unless somebody like Bill Gates likes classical music so much that he bought the station just to have something to listen to on those rare occasions when he's in town, I think it's pretty safe to say that classical music on 102.5 will soon be going, going, gone. (And Ted Jones' trust isn't going to prevent it either, unless there's anybody living who represents the trust that would counter Charles River Broadcasting's opinion that the trust only expresses a wish to keep the station classical, not a command.) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 15 09:38:30 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:38:30 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale Message-ID: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> "Brian Vita" wrote: >Well there's always room for ANOTHER oldies station in Boston... Loosely speaking, WCRB-FM IS an Oldies Station. From francini@mac.com Thu Dec 15 11:04:56 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:04:56 -0500 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot (after "stunt"?) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0512150009v581a02b2i3b685fd7e96ddebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0512150009v581a02b2i3b685fd7e96ddebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26E1CD6C-7CC5-47FF-8A23-F10E8BFDA30E@mac.com> While it may have been a stunt, it literally had me on the edge of my seat. Somehow, I don't think that Mike Adams is capable of 'acting', especially in such a sustained manner, over the course of several hours. I think it had the 'ring of truth' to it. Especially the phone call earlier in the evening where Mike blew up Jason's phone call. I was out with friends so I didn't hear what transpired after that point until about 9:30 or so. When I turned it back on, Jason was offering Adams the gig over the phone, over the air. And I bet the carpenters and electricians will be called in to re-do the studio design to prevent staff from being able to barricade themselves inside and 'hijack' the microphone controls as was alleged. Even if it was all a stunt, it was a darn good one. John Francini On 15 Dec 2005, at 3:09, Bob Nelson wrote: > It has been said on various places online that Mike Adams was to get > the former Ted Sarandis time slot on WEEI; that it was pretty much a > done deal, and any on-air jabbering about 'EEI dragging their feet on > giving him the slot was simply goofing around. > > So tonight, Mike supposedly locked himself in the studio (heavy > bookcase > next to the door) and said that he had a deadline: he had to know NOW > if WEEI was giving him the show. If not, he'd be accepting a job doing > overnights in Cleveland (what, WKNR? I would highly doubt a Cle. > station would have live and local overnight sports talk. If WEEI > wouldn't go > for live/local overnight, WKNR surely wouldn't). > > Finally about halfway through--9:40 pm, PD Jason Wolfe called in > and said > his cell phone battery was dead from having to answer all the calls > (we have his private number?) and he'd gotten about 1,000 emails > begging them to officially hire Mike. "I'm offering you the job." > Mike gratefully accepted and it was said he officially starts tomorrow > night, name of show to be determined. Later, Fox Sports Radio's JT The > Brick (heard here on 'EEI ) congratulated Mike on officially > inheriting the Sarandis time > slot, and he also praised Wolfe. > > A stunt? I'm guessing yes. But you did tune in, didn't ya..I kept > going between > that and political talk; something about a governor announcing he > wouldn't > run again... > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 11:43:38 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:43:38 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale In-Reply-To: <200512151511.jBFFBN7K024478@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> <200512151511.jBFFBN7K024478@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512150843v2aca7237idbee68a8b518610d@mail.gmail.com> Classical 107.3, WAAF 102.5? Not to be... (read on...) Herald article, linked below,, rules out Entercom and CBS Radio as the suitors. The article says that had Entercom been successful they would have moved WAAF to 102.5 and 107.3 would be classical. But nope...in which case, classical radio in Boston may be even more of a lame duck than Willard Mitt Romney. >> Entercom Communications Corp., the powerhouse that runs WEEI, WRKO, MIKE FM and WAAF locally, made a serious run but came in below the top bidder. Entercom liked WCRB's strong FM signal, but was apparently more interested in buying ABC Radio from the Walt Disney Co. ? which by the way, Entercom is expected to successfully accomplish. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=117118&format=text On 12/15/05, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Don't know if anyone else noticed it, but the Glob is reporting this > morning that CRB is planning an announcement of their sale soon. > No word on who it is, but we know at least one who it isn't - > Woody Tanger. His $60.5 million bid was turned down as being > "substantially too low". > > Unless somebody like Bill Gates likes classical music so much that > he bought the station just to have something to listen to on those > rare occasions when he's in town, I think it's pretty safe to say > that classical music on 102.5 will soon be going, going, gone. > (And Ted Jones' trust isn't going to prevent it either, unless > there's anybody living who represents the trust that would counter > Charles River Broadcasting's opinion that the trust only expresses > a wish to keep the station classical, not a command.) > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 11:59:52 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:59:52 -0500 Subject: Something's Afoot At ABC Radio In-Reply-To: <200512141929.AA2055602248@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512141929.AA2055602248@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512150859m6d1f1c7fud6058b1a768f3c1c@mail.gmail.com> The Batchelor website worked for me. WABC, at least, still listing the show as being 10 pm-1 pm. On 12/14/05, rogerkirk wrote: > Since my comment about WRKO dropping the John Batchelor Show, there have been several interesting developments. > > 1. ABC Radio's Web Site lists his show time as one hour - 12:00 AM to 1:00 AM. > 2. The "contact show" e-mail link bounces. > 3. The ABC Radio link to "JohnBatchelorShow.com" is locked down and passworded. > 4. The WebSite "www.JohnBatchelorShow.com" is "forbidden" > > Anybody here know wha' happen'd? > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 12:00:02 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: Something's Afoot At ABC Radio In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0512150859m6d1f1c7fud6058b1a768f3c1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200512141929.AA2055602248@mail.ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0512150859m6d1f1c7fud6058b1a768f3c1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512150900r1485745ei8582460cb7bcb0b5@mail.gmail.com> oops, 1 AM I mean! :) On 12/15/05, Bob Nelson wrote: > The Batchelor website worked for me. WABC, at least, still listing the > show as being > 10 pm-1 pm. > > On 12/14/05, rogerkirk wrote: > > Since my comment about WRKO dropping the John Batchelor Show, there have been several interesting developments. > > > > 1. ABC Radio's Web Site lists his show time as one hour - 12:00 AM to 1:00 AM. > > 2. The "contact show" e-mail link bounces. > > 3. The ABC Radio link to "JohnBatchelorShow.com" is locked down and passworded. > > 4. The WebSite "www.JohnBatchelorShow.com" is "forbidden" > > > > Anybody here know wha' happen'd? > > > > > > > From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu Dec 15 12:12:42 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot (after 'stunt'?) In-Reply-To: <26E1CD6C-7CC5-47FF-8A23-F10E8BFDA30E@mac.com> References: <1fbbbced0512150009v581a02b2i3b685fd7e96ddebc@mail.gmail.com> <26E1CD6C-7CC5-47FF-8A23-F10E8BFDA30E@mac.com> Message-ID: <13952.12.37.144.130.1134666762.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Thu, December 15, 2005 11:04, John Francini said: > And I bet the carpenters and electricians will be called in to re-do > the studio design to prevent staff from being able to barricade > themselves inside and 'hijack' the microphone controls as was alleged. I'm sure that if this was a real "hijack", WHD-err WEEI management could order the board operator in the control room to pot the studio mic down and go to recorded programming or spots. Barring that, the Chief Engineer can shut the station down at master control (a.k.a.: the Rack Room) or switch to another studio & control room entirely. -- Stephanie (still remember AM-85 WHDH) Weil New York City, NY, USA From Rogerkola@aol.com Thu Dec 15 12:37:38 2005 From: Rogerkola@aol.com (Rogerkola) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:37:38 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net><200512151511.jBFFBN7K024478@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0512150843v2aca7237idbee68a8b518610d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01c6019e$3e7e4140$6823a8c0@Sales2> Rumour here is the Red Sox are in the mix... Roger WESX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Shawn Mamros" ; Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale Classical 107.3, WAAF 102.5? Not to be... (read on...) Herald article, linked below,, rules out Entercom and CBS Radio as the suitors. The article says that had Entercom been successful they would have moved WAAF to 102.5 and 107.3 would be classical. But nope...in which case, classical radio in Boston may be even more of a lame duck than Willard Mitt Romney. >> Entercom Communications Corp., the powerhouse that runs WEEI, WRKO, MIKE FM and WAAF locally, made a serious run but came in below the top bidder. Entercom liked WCRB's strong FM signal, but was apparently more interested in buying ABC Radio from the Walt Disney Co. ? which by the way, Entercom is expected to successfully accomplish. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=117118&format=text On 12/15/05, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Don't know if anyone else noticed it, but the Glob is reporting this > morning that CRB is planning an announcement of their sale soon. > No word on who it is, but we know at least one who it isn't - > Woody Tanger. His $60.5 million bid was turned down as being > "substantially too low". > > Unless somebody like Bill Gates likes classical music so much that > he bought the station just to have something to listen to on those > rare occasions when he's in town, I think it's pretty safe to say > that classical music on 102.5 will soon be going, going, gone. > (And Ted Jones' trust isn't going to prevent it either, unless > there's anybody living who represents the trust that would counter > Charles River Broadcasting's opinion that the trust only expresses > a wish to keep the station classical, not a command.) > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Dec 15 11:21:14 2005 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:21:14 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale - for Roger Kirk References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001001c60193$92b69f60$0e789c04@p133> then, "loosely speaking", WCRB-FM has aired many selections by "cover" "bands", right? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rogerkirk" To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; ; "'Shawn Mamros'" ; "Brian Vita" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale > Loosely speaking, WCRB-FM IS an Oldies Station. > From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Dec 15 13:01:07 2005 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:01:07 -0500 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot (after 'stunt'?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:42 EST." <13952.12.37.144.130.1134666762.squirrel@12.37.144.130> Message-ID: <200512151801.jBFI17L9021438@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> >On Thu, December 15, 2005 11:04, John Francini said: > >> And I bet the carpenters and electricians will be called in to re-do >> the studio design to prevent staff from being able to barricade >> themselves inside and 'hijack' the microphone controls as was alleged. > >I'm sure that if this was a real "hijack", WHD-err WEEI management could >order the board operator in the control room to pot the studio mic down >and go to recorded programming or spots. > >Barring that, the Chief Engineer can shut the station down at master >control (a.k.a.: the Rack Room) or switch to another studio & control room >entirely. Quite true. The "host barricades himself inside the studio" stunt is so old, it's probably getting Social Security checks by now. That's not to say the stunt can't be well done or entertaining; it sounds like it was. But don't kid yourself that it was for real. And who said drama on radio was dead? :-) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From francini@mac.com Thu Dec 15 13:04:22 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:04:22 -0500 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot (after 'stunt'?) In-Reply-To: <200512151801.jBFI17L9021438@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> References: <200512151801.jBFI17L9021438@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: Okay. I officially admit I've been "had". It was indeed a really good stunt. And if the stunt is drawing a pension, I hope it's a BIG one. It fooled a whole lot of people! j On 15 Dec 2005, at 13:01, Shawn Mamros wrote: >> On Thu, December 15, 2005 11:04, John Francini said: >> >>> And I bet the carpenters and electricians will be called in to re-do >>> the studio design to prevent staff from being able to barricade >>> themselves inside and 'hijack' the microphone controls as was >>> alleged. >> >> I'm sure that if this was a real "hijack", WHD-err WEEI management >> could >> order the board operator in the control room to pot the studio mic >> down >> and go to recorded programming or spots. >> >> Barring that, the Chief Engineer can shut the station down at master >> control (a.k.a.: the Rack Room) or switch to another studio & >> control room >> entirely. > > Quite true. The "host barricades himself inside the studio" stunt is > so old, it's probably getting Social Security checks by now. That's > not to say the stunt can't be well done or entertaining; it sounds > like it was. But don't kid yourself that it was for real. > > And who said drama on radio was dead? :-) > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From xtrovato@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 12:52:45 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:52:45 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <012801c601a0$cca81340$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > "Brian Vita" wrote: > > >Well there's always room for ANOTHER oldies station in Boston... > > Loosely speaking, WCRB-FM IS an Oldies Station. "You've found Boston's ORIGINAL Oldies Station!" From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:44:38 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:44:38 -0500 Subject: The Taste of...New York? (Bob Grant displaced) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512151044s5b383e67s53a1f78faa02e756@mail.gmail.com> For those wondering why WRKO is doing Taste of Boston Tonight: Read on. WRKO's former sister station in the RKO-General days, WOR, is letting longtime talker Bob Grant go (I never really listened to him but I think Jerry Williams used to praise him). Replacement? According to NY Post: "WOR (710 AM) will replace Grant with chef Rocco DiSpirito, who was the central figure in NBC's star-crossed reality show, "The Restaurant," and who currently does "Food Talk" in the late morning. The move appears to be more about money than ratings. Grant has WOR's highest share of daytime audience, and DiSpirito nearly the lowest, but food shows ? like the other specialty shows WOR carries ? fetch premium rates from sponsors who target specialized, if smaller, audiences." So this may explain WRKO's introduction of Taste of Boston tonight? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:47:34 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:47:34 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale In-Reply-To: <012801c601a0$cca81340$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> <012801c601a0$cca81340$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512151047l64aa1e16wc4f4981b37bd2ced@mail.gmail.com> >>"You've found Boston's ORIGINAL Oldies Station!" This hour: A Fifth of Beethoven--Walter Murphy and the Big Apple Band Classical Gas--Mason Williams Roll Over Beethoven--Electric Light Orchestra Lover's Concerto--The Toys Falco--Rock Me Amadeus Switched on Back--Walter/Wendy Carlos On 12/15/05, R Trovato wrote: > > > > "Brian Vita" wrote: > > > > >Well there's always room for ANOTHER oldies station in Boston... > > > > Loosely speaking, WCRB-FM IS an Oldies Station. > > > "You've found Boston's ORIGINAL Oldies Station!" > From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Dec 15 13:16:44 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:16:44 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale - forRoger Kirk References: <200512150938.AA889651534@mail.ttlc.net> <001001c60193$92b69f60$0e789c04@p133> Message-ID: <05b501c601a3$b5351610$6501a8c0@pastor2> Of course, if we are considering oldies, it'd be fun to hear Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons and Serge Koussevitsky and the Boston Symphony on the same radio station. The CBC does such things. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale - forRoger Kirk > then, "loosely speaking", WCRB-FM has aired many selections > by "cover" "bands", right? > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rogerkirk" > To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; ; > "'Shawn Mamros'" ; "Brian Vita" > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:38 AM > Subject: RE: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Sale > > > > Loosely speaking, WCRB-FM IS an Oldies Station. > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 16:19:05 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:19:05 -0500 Subject: BRW: Adams' new show will be Planet Mikey Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512151319i26cf2616wef1983576434c377@mail.gmail.com> The new (well, after a two month preview!) Mike Adams show on WEEI will be called Planet Mikey. Boston Radio Watch notes that the "stunt" happened during the last night of the current ratings period... http://www.bostonradiowatch.com From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 15 17:36:08 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:36:08 -0500 Subject: "Open Source" Rerun Shifted on WUML Message-ID: <20051215223608.8E75AC6115@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Weil" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: "Open Source" Rerun Shifted on WUML >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:45:35 -0500 > > At 04:56 PM 12/14/2005, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > > apparently > > the "Stephanie Miller" juggernaut > > Please explain? > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH "The Stephanie Miller Show" runs on WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM from 9:00 am till noon. Considering that a very high percentage of calls to her show (on a national network) come from the Boston area... and the fact that when she was sick this past Monday, bostonsprogressivetalk.com (WXKS/WKOX's website) was the site of several frantic posts...I would say that she (and Jim Ward) have quite a following in the area. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 15 17:07:00 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:07:00 -0500 Subject: WCRB to....Greater Media. Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051215170612.00a2fb58@fybush.com> They'll have to spin 99.5. Gee, suppose it'll go Spanish? Expect 102.5 to become country. Details forthcoming. From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 15 18:30:35 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:30:35 -0500 Subject: WCRB to....Greater Media. Message-ID: <20051215233035.55525CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: WCRB to....Greater Media. >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:07:00 -0500 > > They'll have to spin 99.5. Gee, suppose it'll go Spanish? > > Expect 102.5 to become country. > > Details forthcoming. Here is a link to Greater Media's announcement: http://www.greatermedia.com/press/detail.php?ID=101 As a special public service to BRIGgers everywhere, I used my Nevins Memorial Libray card number to access Clea Simon's story in the Boston Globe of May 27, 1999 about GM's move into their then new Morrissey Blvd. digs. Two sentences stand out: in one, following a description of the spaces allocated to WMJX, WKLB, WROR, WBOS and WSJZ(!), the paragraph ends with these words..."In the spare studio at the hallway's end-the only one without a radio station yet" then a description of a DJ taping a show; and elsewhere, a direct quote from Peter Smyth..."We are aggressively looking to increase out presence in all markets". I distinctly remembered these items when the story ran many years ago (thus destroying the myth that booze kills off brain cells) and so when WCRB at least (nothing yet about WFCC, WKPE, WCRI or WCNX) was put on the auction block, I strongly surmised that Greater Media would be a top contender. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 15 22:18:07 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:18:07 -0500 Subject: WCRB to....Greater Media. In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20051215170612.00a2fb58@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051215221416.03f028d8@fybush.com> >Seriously ... any chance 'FNX would have the bread/interest to >pick it up? 'Tis a much better rim-shotter than 101.7, even >with its future move downtown. Disagree, mildly. What FNX needs to be able to do is to hit the dorm rooms on both sides of the Charles. They can't do it from Malden/Medford. They'll do it pretty well from One Financial Center, certainly far better than they would from Andover and the 99.5 site. > >Expect 102.5 to become country. > >So this means that Greater Media is the official euthanizer of >classical stations? Philly, Boston ... am I missing another? >(Not a criticism, just an observation.) Indeed! s From eforry@bostonirish.com Thu Dec 15 21:43:29 2005 From: eforry@bostonirish.com (EW Forry) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt Message-ID: <3CBB74CD-3836-4BBD-88DE-0AF5A927F835@bostonirish.com> Anyone else here recall the hijacking of the old 1090 am station sometime in the 1950's- I believe it was when WILD call sign went on air- Some DJ took over the studio and played Peggy Lee's "Fever" over and over and over for a week, maybe more. I remember seeing the story on page 1 of a Boston daily- the Globe? The guy introduced each song, then played "Fever." It drew an audience, and much attention to the 1090 signal- which by the way, I believe was a daytimer- Not quite sure what the DJ did overnight. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 16 00:05:55 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:05:55 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Message-ID: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> On 28 Oct 2005 at 12:49, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Oct 2005 Shawn Mamros wrote: > > > - Woody Tanger is meeting with CRB representatives today. His > > Marlin Broadcasting might be interested in purchasing the company. > > I suspect that may be the most likely way - indeed, probably the > > only way - for classical to remain on 102.5's primary channel. > > Yeah, just like WBOQ. ;-< Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot in the past couple of months. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 16 00:05:55 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:05:55 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Message-ID: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> On 28 Oct 2005 at 12:49, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Oct 2005 Shawn Mamros wrote: > > > - Woody Tanger is meeting with CRB representatives today. His > > Marlin Broadcasting might be interested in purchasing the company. > > I suspect that may be the most likely way - indeed, probably the > > only way - for classical to remain on 102.5's primary channel. > > Yeah, just like WBOQ. ;-< Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot in the past couple of months. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 16 00:05:55 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:05:55 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For Message-ID: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> On 28 Oct 2005 at 12:49, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Oct 2005 Shawn Mamros wrote: > > > - Woody Tanger is meeting with CRB representatives today. His > > Marlin Broadcasting might be interested in purchasing the company. > > I suspect that may be the most likely way - indeed, probably the > > only way - for classical to remain on 102.5's primary channel. > > Yeah, just like WBOQ. ;-< Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot in the past couple of months. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Dec 16 00:27:36 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:27:36 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For In-Reply-To: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> References: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> Message-ID: <17314.20552.170173.437409@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. > I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot > in the past couple of months. Given how much Woody was offering, and given the necessity of spinning 99.5, it's conceivable that he could end up with that signal. (There are also any number of other operators who might want it, including practically everyone else in the market. It could also go to someone like Univision or one of the other big Spanish-language operators, which would make sense geographically if nothing else.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 16 00:05:55 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:05:55 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt In-Reply-To: <3CBB74CD-3836-4BBD-88DE-0AF5A927F835@bostonirish.com> Message-ID: <43A204E3.29221.3467D0@localhost> On 15 Dec 2005 at 21:43, EW Forry wrote: > I remember seeing the story on page 1 of a Boston daily- the Globe? > The guy introduced each song, then played "Fever." It drew an > audience, and much attention to the 1090 signal- which by the way, I > believe was a daytimer- Not quite sure what the DJ did overnight. Isn't it still a daytimer? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 03:26:00 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:26:00 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt In-Reply-To: <43A204E3.29221.3467D0@localhost> References: <3CBB74CD-3836-4BBD-88DE-0AF5A927F835@bostonirish.com> <43A204E3.29221.3467D0@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512160026x78a7ffb5n756a88683d9ab873@mail.gmail.com> WILD is indeed still a daytimer, thanks to WBAL. By the way a few years ago they had an April Fools' Day stunt where they "changed format to country"...at least for a couple hours. April fool. On 12/16/05, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 15 Dec 2005 at 21:43, EW Forry wrote: > > > I remember seeing the story on page 1 of a Boston daily- the Globe? > > The guy introduced each song, then played "Fever." It drew an > > audience, and much attention to the 1090 signal- which by the way, I > > believe was a daytimer- Not quite sure what the DJ did overnight. > > Isn't it still a daytimer? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 03:48:29 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:48:29 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com> Don't worry, I won't quote actual numbers..see them yourself at Radio And Records site. http://www.radioandrecords.com Go to ratings and then Boston (Show All Markets, if need be) WEEI stays at same position and numbers as last period (Sox, etc.) Talkers: WRKO goes up a bit, WTKK up a tiny notch, WBZ stays the same; they actually combined WKOX and WXKS on same line (no more "Adult Standards" listed for WXKS). 'Bout the same. Should they eventually add local hosts? Signal problem may soon be slightly alleviated with the tower move, for 1200 at least. WTTT again a no show. Is it due to weak signal, or do we just not care about Michael Medved, Mike Gallagher, et al? WBRU-FM actually makes it in. Note ratings for WILD and the new WILD-FM...the latter was WBOT until last month. Note WODS ratings...given their steadiness I'd doubt Jack would be visiting us soon. Expect more of the same. How will loss of Stern affect WBCN? Will Roth be an adequate replacement? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 16 06:26:14 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:26:14 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt References: <3CBB74CD-3836-4BBD-88DE-0AF5A927F835@bostonirish.com> Message-ID: <002001c60233$94300340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It would most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media around 1958 or so--if memory serves. (This was decades before "Family" in the name of a station owner implied a Christian format.) At the time, Bartell owned top-40 ratings powerhouses WOKY Milwaukee and KCBQ San Diego. I think the 1090 calls were WBMS until Bartell took over and flipped them to WILD. Some very ingeneous promotion preceded the Monday morning debut of the new calls and format. Saturation schedules of spots, allegedly placed under a false advertiser name, appeared over the weekend on MANY Boston AMs (including such biggies as WBZ and WHDH). The cryptic spots were voiced in a sultry female voice that said simply, "Everyone in OLD Boston is going wild,wild,wild,wild,wild... ." Monday morning, those who figured that WILD might be a new radio station found it at the excellent spot half way between WBZ and WCOP (at least I think 1150 was still WCOP at the time). The dial position on the analog-tuned radios of the day was as good as it got in Boston back then, but, of course, the signal was a 1 kW daytimer. The tight top-40 format also made heavy use of sultry female voices, which, at the time, were a brand new element in top-40 imaging. I don't think that incarnation of WILD ever did terribly well in the Boston ratings and after (IIRC) less than two years, Bartell either sold or LMAed the station to someone named Nelson Noble, who brought in three of Boston's best known DJs--Bill Marlowe in AM Drive, Stan Richards in middays, and Joe Smith for after school (and PM drive during the summer months). I seem to recall that a couple of years after that, Noble declared bankruptcy, and I think he may ultimately even have committed suicide. I think that Nash acquired WILD after Noble's bankruptcy. If Noble was LMAing the station, perhaps Nash began by taking over the LMA. BTW, anyone who has a tape of that "wild,wild,wild,wild..." promo has got a real Boston-radio collector's item. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "EW Forry" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt > Anyone else here recall the hijacking of the old 1090 am station > sometime in the 1950's- > I believe it was when WILD call sign went on air- Some DJ took over > the studio and played > Peggy Lee's "Fever" over and over and over for a week, maybe more. > > I remember seeing the story on page 1 of a Boston daily- the Globe? > The guy introduced > each song, then played "Fever." It drew an audience, and much > attention to > the 1090 signal- which by the way, I believe was a daytimer- Not > quite sure what the DJ did > overnight. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 16 06:48:33 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:48:33 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> As I've said before, I don't think Salem cares about WTTT being a no-show. The conservative talkers are on 1150 for ideological, as opposed to ratings, reasons. That said, I would wager that WTTT is well in the black and is probably billing locally four to five times what WKOXKS bills. Salem doesn't do anything that loses money for very long. They know their target audiences; they know how to cater to them; they know the businesses that want to reach these people, and they know how to sell time to those businesses. I think a similar approach could work wonders for WKOXKS billings, notwithstanding that WKOXKS's current nighttime signal problems are worse than WTTT's. I find it truly amazing that America's largest radio company either hasn't figured that out or doesn't seem to care enough to try. If, as Scott has said, CCU is all about making money, CCU's lack of effort with their Boston area progressive-talk signals just doesn't make sense. One gets the impression that the person or persons responsible for local sales at WXKS had decided days before s/he/they picked up the phone to make his/her/their first sales call that the idea that the format could be sold in this market was hopeless. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:48 AM Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings > WTTT again a no show. Is it due to weak signal, or do we just not care about > Michael Medved, Mike Gallagher, et al? > From hykker@grolen.com Fri Dec 16 07:11:35 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:11:35 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings In-Reply-To: <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >One gets the impression that the person or persons responsible for >local sales at WXKS had decided days before s/he/they picked up the phone to >make his/her/their first sales call that the idea that the format could be >sold in this market was hopeless. I wonder if WXKS even has a separate sales staff. If you were a sales rep, where would you concentrate your efforts...Kiss 108 where the rates are hundreds of dollars a minute or the AMs where they might be $25? From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Fri Dec 16 07:50:52 2005 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:50:52 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt References: <3CBB74CD-3836-4BBD-88DE-0AF5A927F835@bostonirish.com> <002001c60233$94300340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <002a01c6023f$59182e70$98803418@DG07P241> I do remember listening to the Fever stunt. I was a radio junkie from the git-go I guess (no surprise). My parents were viewing me rather dubiously wondering aloud why I'd listen to the same record over and over again. Plain and simple: it was off the beaten path and it was fun! I wish I could recall the DJ's name.... Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "EW Forry" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: Re: WILD 1950's Stunt > I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It would > most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media around > 1958 or so--if memory serves. (This was decades before "Family" in the name > of a station owner implied a Christian format.) At the time, Bartell owned > top-40 ratings powerhouses WOKY Milwaukee and KCBQ San Diego. I think the > 1090 calls were WBMS until Bartell took over and flipped them to WILD. > > Some very ingeneous promotion preceded the Monday morning debut of the new > calls and format. Saturation schedules of spots, allegedly placed under a > false advertiser name, appeared over the weekend on MANY Boston AMs > (including such biggies as WBZ and WHDH). The cryptic spots were voiced in a > sultry female voice that said simply, "Everyone in OLD Boston is going > wild,wild,wild,wild,wild... ." Monday morning, those > who figured that WILD might be a new radio station found it at the excellent > spot half way between WBZ and WCOP (at least I think 1150 was still WCOP at > the time). The dial position on the analog-tuned radios of the day was as > good as it got in Boston back then, but, of course, the signal was a 1 kW > daytimer. > > The tight top-40 format also made heavy use of sultry female voices, which, > at the time, were a brand new element in top-40 imaging. I don't think that > incarnation of WILD ever did terribly well in the Boston ratings and after > (IIRC) less than two years, Bartell either sold or LMAed the station to > someone named Nelson Noble, who brought in three of Boston's best known > DJs--Bill Marlowe in AM Drive, Stan Richards in middays, and Joe Smith for > after school (and PM drive during the summer months). I seem to recall that > a couple of years after that, Noble declared bankruptcy, and I think he may > ultimately even have committed suicide. I think that Nash acquired WILD > after Noble's bankruptcy. If Noble was LMAing the station, perhaps Nash > began by taking over the LMA. > > BTW, anyone who has a tape of that "wild,wild,wild,wild..." promo has got a > real Boston-radio collector's item. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EW Forry" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:43 PM > Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt > > > > Anyone else here recall the hijacking of the old 1090 am station > > sometime in the 1950's- > > I believe it was when WILD call sign went on air- Some DJ took over > > the studio and played > > Peggy Lee's "Fever" over and over and over for a week, maybe more. > > > > I remember seeing the story on page 1 of a Boston daily- the Globe? > > The guy introduced > > each song, then played "Fever." It drew an audience, and much > > attention to > > the 1090 signal- which by the way, I believe was a daytimer- Not > > quite sure what the DJ did > > overnight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Fri Dec 16 09:34:08 2005 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:34:08 -0500 Subject: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For References: <43A204E3.13830.346528@localhost> Message-ID: <000701c6024d$c6601200$98803418@DG07P241> I've noticed the "delay" also - an old one of mine just showed up also. I thought my messages were being dumped so I quit sending. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Charles River Broadcasting Puts Its Stations Up For > > On 28 Oct 2005 at 12:49, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2005 Shawn Mamros wrote: > > > > > - Woody Tanger is meeting with CRB representatives today. His > > > Marlin Broadcasting might be interested in purchasing the company. > > > I suspect that may be the most likely way - indeed, probably the > > > only way - for classical to remain on 102.5's primary channel. > > > > Yeah, just like WBOQ. ;-< > > Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. I don't know why, but > this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot in the past couple of months. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From bradfordwood@comcast.net Fri Dec 16 10:11:42 2005 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:42 +0000 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: <121620051511.18092.43A2D92D000D5AD4000046AC22092246270B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Despite all the possibilities and rumors, the chances of a 100-million dollar FM'er going Spanish is probably one of the more far-fetched format ideas to come down the pike. Why? Mass market. While it may appear that the Hispanic audience may be large - it is no where near the "critical mass" that would allow for an investment in an all-Spanish FM format in Boston, as compare to New York or even in the South. The numbers ($$$ and population) just don't (and won't) add up. In order for an FM spanish format to be successful, ad rates would have to be through the roof to help offset the cost of a 100-million dollar purchase. Brad Wood -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Garrett Wollman > < > said: > > > Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. > > I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot > > in the past couple of months. > > Given how much Woody was offering, and given the necessity of spinning > 99.5, it's conceivable that he could end up with that signal. (There > are also any number of other operators who might want it, including > practically everyone else in the market. It could also go to someone > like Univision or one of the other big Spanish-language operators, > which would make sense geographically if nothing else.) > > -GAWollman > From bill.smith@comcast.net Fri Dec 16 09:22:20 2005 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (bill.smith@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:22:20 +0000 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot Message-ID: <121620051422.27195.43A2CD9C000A236D00006A3B2205886172089B07039CD20404070D@comcast.net> Not only was it a stunt, it's one of the oldest stunts in the book. Larry Justice did the locked-in-the-studio-or-else thing 43 years ago while working for Richman Bros. at WPGC Washington, D.C. And like most things in The Business, if Larry Justice did it, he did it better. WEEI is a spontaneous as professional wrestling. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 12:51:21 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:51:21 -0500 Subject: WEEI gives Adams the slot Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512160951t1130ee81n785fb13764b76cb6@mail.gmail.com> Didn't know it was "one of the oldest stunts in the book". Whatever they're doing seems to be working, though; the latest 12 + ratings put them at #1. Though interest in the Sox must be a major factor (that, and talking about them...and the Pats). But I think Adams did a good job with it, personally, but I think Adams is funny and a lot more enjoyable to listen to than Sarandis was. One of my co-workers tells me she loves stuff like the Whiner Line on WEEI--she'll be listening while driving and start laughing so hard that tears come down her face (careful, Laurie! Remember you're driving! :) )...some of their listeners come up with funny bits, imitations, songs, etc. They're doing a good job, I feel, and that--plus our devotion to the Sox--is reflected in the ratings. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 12:57:53 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:57:53 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512160957v174135a0p7d2a4e5f1aed302c@mail.gmail.com> Yes, looks like ratings don't matter to Salem and WTTT and the format is there, as Dan says, for ideological reasons and they can bill to a niche audience. >>WKOXKS's current nighttime signal problems are worse than WTTT's Yes, some folks on their messageboard are wondering why they seem to be running Fox Sports and some hockey. Looks like the sports talkers in Ottawa (1200) and Binghamton (1430) are to blame...I don't regularly tune in to them at night so I don't know for sure, but is the cold/winter weather a factor in having these other stations obliterate their feeble night signals (as opposed to other times of the year)? I drive to work in late afternoon and sometimes scan the dial--and now that the darkness comes so early, I notice how much stronger the _other_ stations I mentioned come in comp. to the WKOX and WXKS signals. Is cold weather the factor? Thanks On 12/16/05, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Dan Strassberg wrote: > >One gets the impression that the person or persons responsible for > >local sales at WXKS had decided days before s/he/they picked up the phone to > >make his/her/their first sales call that the idea that the format could be > >sold in this market was hopeless. > > > I wonder if WXKS even has a separate sales staff. If you were a sales rep, > where would you concentrate your efforts...Kiss 108 where the rates are > hundreds of dollars a minute or the AMs where they might be $25? > > From dcassell@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 13:00:16 2005 From: dcassell@gmail.com (Damon Cassell) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:00:16 -0500 Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: <2979f9f40512161000s71332d2cvd4237a284983ddeb@mail.gmail.com> WRKO has been having serious issues with their audio for about 24 hours now. It sounds overmodulated at times, and other times audio disappears almost entirely. On another list, someone reported that they were off entirely at some point last night. Does anyone know the details? -d From xtrovato@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 13:23:09 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:23:09 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com><002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg><6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> <1fbbbced0512160957v174135a0p7d2a4e5f1aed302c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022d01c6026d$c66f1fa0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Yes, looks like ratings don't matter to Salem and WTTT and the format > is there, as Dan > says, for ideological reasons... I don't think their motives are simply ideological. However, I think that the Salem folks can make money nationally...wtihout much spot sales. That said, I think they would LOVE to show some numbers....ANY numbers! What gives you the indication they don't care about ratings? From pete@partnercomm.com Fri Dec 16 12:38:39 2005 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <121620051511.18092.43A2D92D000D5AD4000046AC22092246270B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> References: <121620051511.18092.43A2D92D000D5AD4000046AC22092246270B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43A2FB9F.2040905@partnercomm.com> bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: >Despite all the possibilities and rumors, the chances of a 100-million dollar FM'er going Spanish is probably one of the more far-fetched format ideas to come down the pike. Why? Mass market. While it may appear that the Hispanic audience may be large - it is no where near the "critical mass" that would allow for an investment in an all-Spanish FM format in Boston, as compare to New York or even in the South. The numbers ($$$ and population) just don't (and won't) add up. In order for an FM spanish format to be successful, ad rates would have to be through the roof to help offset the cost of a 100-million dollar purchase. > >Brad Wood > > I believe what Garrett was indicating is that 99.5 could go Spanish - and it is no $100M signal (though the former WPLY 100.3 in Media, PA (a similar rimshot at the time) was sold to Radio One in 1999 for $80M). Given the ethnicity of the population in that area, it would be a strong possibility. Perhaps CBS Radio would pick it up and do what they did with DC/Baltimore rimshot (formerly WHFS, now WLZL) 99.1 in Annapolis. 102.5 is certainly a potential $100M+ signal (for the same reason that the 3BR townhouse I'm renting within walking distance of the Vienna Metro would sell for 250 times what I pay in monthly rent)... -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Vienna, VA From xtrovato@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 13:44:57 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:44:57 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com><002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg><6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com><1fbbbced0512160957v174135a0p7d2a4e5f1aed302c@mail.gmail.com> <022d01c6026d$c66f1fa0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <027f01c60270$d32be5e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "R Trovato" > However, I think that the Salem folks can make money nationally...wtihout > much spot sales. That should be...."...without much *local* spot sales." From xtrovato@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 13:15:20 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:20 -0500 Subject: Fw: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: <022301c6026c$b36fa600$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Maybe Sid can fill us in on what's happenning at WRKO..... Sid? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Cassell" To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? > WRKO has been having serious issues with their audio for about 24 > hours now. It sounds overmodulated at times, and other times audio > disappears almost entirely. On another list, someone reported that > they were off entirely at some point last night. > > Does anyone know the details? > > -d > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Dec 16 13:56:43 2005 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:56:43 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> References: <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051216135517.02e3f260@pop.registeredsite.com> >and it was said-- > >I wonder if WXKS even has a separate sales staff. If you were a sales >rep, where would you concentrate your efforts...Kiss 108 where the rates >are hundreds of dollars a minute or the AMs where they might be $25? And let's not forget that WXKS has a horrible signal that barely reaches Boston and can't be heard at night on the south shore at all. As far as I know, the sales staff is part of the FM staff, and I don't get the sense that they are trying very hard at this point. But again, let's also keep in mind that in other cities, the format is doing well and is actually sold out in a few markets. Go figure. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Dec 16 13:05:49 2005 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:05:49 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: <121620051511.18092.43A2D92D000D5AD4000046AC22092246270B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07a401c6026b$590edba0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I noticed that in Greater Media's announcement of the purchase, the company pointed out that WCRB has been broadcasting classical music since 1950. The station is also successful --- the tenth highest-rated station in the market. Should the saying "If ain't broke, don't fix it" perhaps apply here? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > Despite all the possibilities and rumors, the chances of a 100-million dollar FM'er going Spanish is probably one of the more far-fetched format ideas to come down the pike. Why? Mass market. While it may appear that the Hispanic audience may be large - it is no where near the "critical mass" that would allow for an investment in an all-Spanish FM format in Boston, as compare to New York or even in the South. The numbers ($$$ and population) just don't (and won't) add up. In order for an FM spanish format to be successful, ad rates would have to be through the roof to help offset the cost of a 100-million dollar purchase. > > Brad Wood > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Garrett Wollman > > < > > said: > > > > > Wow! A message I sent on 28 October just finally reached the list. > > > I don't know why, but this sort of thing seems to be happening a lot > > > in the past couple of months. > > > > Given how much Woody was offering, and given the necessity of spinning > > 99.5, it's conceivable that he could end up with that signal. (There > > are also any number of other operators who might want it, including > > practically everyone else in the market. It could also go to someone > > like Univision or one of the other big Spanish-language operators, > > which would make sense geographically if nothing else.) > > > > -GAWollman > > > > > From sid@wrko.com Fri Dec 16 13:23:58 2005 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:23:58 -0700 Subject: Fw: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: >>Maybe Sid can fill us in on what's happenning at WRKO.....<< Sorry, but I'm out of this particular loop, and I'm not going to bug the engineers while they're working on it. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 16 14:14:38 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:14:38 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings References: <1fbbbced0512160048m144f1f58xd19a5178e1ce9dd3@mail.gmail.com><002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg><6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> <1fbbbced0512160957v174135a0p7d2a4e5f1aed302c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c60275$12b32f80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> CFGO, The Team 1200 in Ottawa, Fox Sports, has been having problems with its antenna system since early October. The result is a huge increase in interference to WKOX--at night and maybe also during critical hours. A component failed (vacuum capacitor--I don't know whether it's in the night phasor or in an ATU) and must be specially manufactured. It is unclear when or whether the replacement will be available. I have corresponded with (and receoved replies from) two folks in Engineering at CCU. They are NOT disposed at this time to go after CHUM Group, which owns CFGO. First of all, they are convinced that CFGO is legitimately trying to solve the problem. Second, going after Canadian stations that operate outside of their licensed parameters is a tremendously time-cosuming and usually unproductive effort. I may be a pessimist, but I don't think conditions will improve until WKOX gets its new 50-kW signal on the air from Newton. My personal forecast for that event (and I could be wrong) is fall 2007. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "SteveOrdinetz" ; ; Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: looking at lastest 12 + ratings > Yes, looks like ratings don't matter to Salem and WTTT and the format > is there, as Dan > says, for ideological reasons and they can bill to a niche audience. > > >>WKOXKS's current nighttime signal problems > are worse than WTTT's > > Yes, some folks on their messageboard are wondering why they seem to be running > Fox Sports and some hockey. Looks like the sports talkers in Ottawa (1200) and > Binghamton (1430) are to blame...I don't regularly tune in to them at > night so I don't > know for sure, but is the cold/winter weather a factor in having these > other stations > obliterate their feeble night signals (as opposed to other times of > the year)? I drive to work in late afternoon and sometimes scan the > dial--and now that the darkness comes so early, I notice how much > stronger the > _other_ stations I mentioned come in comp. to the WKOX and WXKS signals. Is > cold weather the factor? Thanks > > On 12/16/05, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > Dan Strassberg wrote: > > >One gets the impression that the person or persons responsible for > > >local sales at WXKS had decided days before s/he/they picked up the phone to > > >make his/her/their first sales call that the idea that the format could be > > >sold in this market was hopeless. > > > > > > I wonder if WXKS even has a separate sales staff. If you were a sales rep, > > where would you concentrate your efforts...Kiss 108 where the rates are > > hundreds of dollars a minute or the AMs where they might be $25? > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 16 14:14:48 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:14:48 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: <121620051511.18092.43A2D92D000D5AD4000046AC22092246270B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801c60275$1374f8e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> NOBODY on this list has suggested that 102.5 will flip to Spanish. Reread the postings--this time with your eyes open! Scott Fybush did suggest that 99.5 might flip. Its Tx location, right next to Lawrence, which is something like 80% Hispanic, makes it a logical candidate. But if 99.5 brings Greater Media, say, $60 million in a forced sale, there is still the question of whether it is economically justifiable to flip to Spanish a Massachusetts station that has cost its purchaser that much. Other scenarios can be postulated--involving other signals that are Boston rimshots. This is a field day for speculation by those of us with no money but plenty of wild imagination. Joseph Gallant, who no longer posts to this list, must be drooling! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > Despite all the possibilities and rumors, the chances of a 100-million dollar FM'er going Spanish is probably one of the more far-fetched format ideas to come down the pike. Why? Mass market. While it may appear that the Hispanic audience may be large - it is no where near the "critical mass" that would allow for an investment in an all-Spanish FM format in Boston, as compare to New York or even in the South. The numbers ($$$ and population) just don't (and won't) add up. In order for an FM spanish format to be successful, ad rates would have to be through the roof to help offset the cost of a 100-million dollar purchase. > From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 14:57:59 2005 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt Message-ID: > > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org, > EW Forry > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:05:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: WILD 1950's Stunt > > On 15 Dec 2005 at 21:43, EW Forry wrote: > > > The guy introduced each song, then played "Fever." It drew an > > audience, and much attention to the 1090 signal- which by the > > way, I believe was a daytimer- Not quite sure what the DJ did > > overnight. > > Isn't it still a daytimer? Yes, but since sometime around ten years ago they've been allowed an extra half-hour at very low power after local sunset. It's just barely enough to weakly cover Boston and within most of Route 128 if WBAL isn't skipping in too strongly yet. It also used to switch to mono for that last half-hour back when they were in AM stereo. WILD goes fully off the air after that low power half-hour after sunset, so technically it's still a daytimer, plus a half-hour. Eli Polonsky From sid@wrko.com Fri Dec 16 15:46:48 2005 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:46:48 -0700 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: >>I noticed that in Greater Media's announcement of the purchase, the company pointed out that WCRB has been broadcasting classical music since 1950. The station is also successful --- the tenth highest-rated station in the market. Should the saying "If ain't broke, don't fix it" perhaps apply here?<< When you have situations like WCBS-FM...a station that owned its demo and billed $34 million a year blown up, with the result that its ratings and billings tank since it's now in competition with 15 other stations for the same demo...that old saw is not gonna cut it. The attitude is not "what's it doing now," it's "what COULD it do with a different format?" After all, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" makes too much sense. Can't have that. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From bradfordwood@comcast.net Fri Dec 16 16:40:11 2005 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:40:11 +0000 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: <121620052140.12376.43A3343B0006F7920000305822007503300B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Hi Dan - FYI - visit: http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2005-December/007379.html I'm not sure if Scott meant 99.5 or 102.5 to go Spanish - in either case - it still doesn't make sense. Furthermore - when looking at census stats - you might be surprised at the statistics for Greater Boston when it comes to the hispanic population...just under 7 percent of the population in Greater Boston is of Hispanic or Latino origin. (refer to: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html) Still...not worth a $100 million dollar change...now or anytime in the near future for almost any Boston FM radio station. Now, if you told me WXKS and/or WKOX might take a stab at going Spanish, that could sound a little more realistic, but not an FM'er in Boston. Sorry if I "misread" anything....I'll go back to lurking now (with my eyes open of course). Thanks for the clarity! BW -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dan Strassberg" > NOBODY on this list has suggested that 102.5 will flip to Spanish. Reread > the postings--this time with your eyes open! Scott Fybush did suggest that > 99.5 might flip. Its Tx location, right next to Lawrence, which is something > like 80% Hispanic, makes it a logical candidate. But if 99.5 brings Greater > Media, say, $60 million in a forced sale, there is still the question of > whether it is economically justifiable to flip to Spanish a Massachusetts > station that has cost its purchaser that much. Other scenarios can be > postulated--involving other signals that are Boston rimshots. This is a > field day for speculation by those of us with no money but plenty of wild > imagination. Joseph Gallant, who no longer posts to this list, must be > drooling! > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:11 AM > Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > > > > Despite all the possibilities and rumors, the chances of a 100-million > dollar FM'er going Spanish is probably one of the more far-fetched format > ideas to come down the pike. Why? Mass market. While it may appear that > the Hispanic audience may be large - it is no where near the "critical mass" > that would allow for an investment in an all-Spanish FM format in Boston, as > compare to New York or even in the South. The numbers ($$$ and population) > just don't (and won't) add up. In order for an FM spanish format to be > successful, ad rates would have to be through the roof to help offset the > cost of a 100-million dollar purchase. > > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 17 01:22:18 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:22:18 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt In-Reply-To: <002a01c6023f$59182e70$98803418@DG07P241> Message-ID: <43A3684A.1873.995B9F@localhost> On 16 Dec 2005 at 7:50, Paul B. Currier wrote: > I do remember listening to the Fever stunt. I was a radio junkie from > the git-go I guess (no surprise). My parents were viewing me rather > dubiously wondering aloud why I'd listen to the same record over and > over again. Plain and simple: it was off the beaten path and it was > fun! I wish I could recall the DJ's name.... Was the DJ "Doctor Johnny Fever" of WKRP? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 17 01:22:19 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:22:19 -0500 Subject: looking at lastest 12 + ratings In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20051216070915.01b530f8@pop3.grolen.com> References: <002e01c60236$a8b8a300$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <43A3684B.1238.995C58@localhost> On 16 Dec 2005 at 7:11, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I wonder if WXKS even has a separate sales staff. If you were a sales > rep, where would you concentrate your efforts...Kiss 108 where the > rates are hundreds of dollars a minute or the AMs where they might be > $25? I don't know, but WKOX/WXKS has frequent announcements promoting advertising on those stations, and they do seem to have more commercial messages (as opposed to PSAs, etc.) than before. The best sign is probably that I'm starting to get annoyed by the commercials. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Dec 17 02:42:12 2005 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:42:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: <31752641.1134805332750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Damon Cassell > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:00:16 -0500 > Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? > > WRKO has been having serious issues with their audio for about 24 > hours now. It sounds overmodulated at times, and other times audio > disappears almost entirely. On another list, someone reported that > they were off entirely at some point last night. > > Does anyone know the details? Don't know, but it sounded to me like the problem may have been that perhaps something in the airchain possibly was intermittent. That's often the universal explanation for such phenomena. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 17 14:11:12 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:11:12 -0500 Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: <20051217191112.799573384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eli Polonsky" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WRKO technical difficulties? >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:42:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > > > > From: Damon Cassell > > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:00:16 -0500 > > Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? > > > > WRKO has been having serious issues with their audio for about 24 > > hours now. It sounds overmodulated at times, and other times audio > > disappears almost entirely. On another list, someone reported that > > they were off entirely at some point last night. > > I tuned in this morning specifically to hear if the problem had been eradicated, and in my opinion, it sounded close to "normal" (quotation fingers used because PAT WHITLEY! was on). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 17 14:27:54 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:27:54 -0500 Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? References: <20051217191112.799573384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000701c6033f$fea53260$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Was Whitley broadcasting from Guest St or from some other location--like his house? (Doesn't he have a studio there?) It has been postulated that the problem is in the audio chain at the WRKO studios. If that is the case, it might not affect a program that originates from a different location--even though the remote presumably has to pass through the studio. The reason is that the studio-console channel used for the remote may not be affected. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Eli Polonsky" ; Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: WRKO technical difficulties? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eli Polonsky" > >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > >Subject: Re: WRKO technical difficulties? > >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:42:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > > From: Damon Cassell > > > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:00:16 -0500 > > > Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? > > > > > > WRKO has been having serious issues with their audio for about 24 > > > hours now. It sounds overmodulated at times, and other times audio > > > disappears almost entirely. On another list, someone reported that > > > they were off entirely at some point last night. > > > > I tuned in this morning specifically to hear if the problem had been > eradicated, and in my opinion, it sounded close to "normal" > (quotation fingers used because PAT WHITLEY! was on). > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From hykker@grolen.com Sat Dec 17 15:00:24 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:00:24 -0500 Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? In-Reply-To: <000701c6033f$fea53260$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20051217191112.799573384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <000701c6033f$fea53260$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051217145909.01b649e8@pop3.grolen.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >Was Whitley broadcasting from Guest St or from some other location--like his >house? (Doesn't he have a studio there?) It has been postulated that the >problem is in the audio chain at the WRKO studios. If that is the case, it >might not affect a program that originates from a different location--even >though the remote presumably has to pass through the studio. The reason is >that the studio-console channel used for the remote may not be affected. One would only hope that a major-market station would have a way to patch around a defective fader or even control room until it could be repaired. From hishaun@hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 11:20:02 2005 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:20:02 -0500 Subject: WILD 1960s Stunt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The "Fever" stunt was great but the real howler has to be the "theft" WILD reported a few years later during the Nelson Noble era. Press reports explained that a large part of the WILD record library had been stolen. The Lynn Item ran a front page photo of Jimmy "Early" Byrd with his hands open palms-up in a "what do I do now?" pose. Jimmy told they Item "they took the best stuff." Well, the "best stuff" turned out to be their entire library of classical records. Needless to say, listeners noticed no effect on the station's R&B format and probably got the joke. There are stunts and there are stunts, but clearing some unused classical 78s out of the record library and getting front-page coverage, man, that's classic. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 17 16:01:44 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0500 Subject: WRKO technical difficulties? Message-ID: <20051217210144.D66873384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Eli Polonsky" , boston-radio->interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WRKO technical difficulties? >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:27:54 -0500 > > Was Whitley broadcasting from Guest St or from some other location--like his > house? (Doesn't he have a studio there?) It has been postulated that the > problem is in the audio chain at the WRKO studios. If that is the case, it > might not affect a program that originates from a different location--even > though the remote presumably has to pass through the studio. The reason is > that the studio-console channel used for the remote may not be affected. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 When I first noticed distortion on WRKO during a portion of the Hoie Carr shoy Thursday I believe it was, I figured that he might have been doing a remote out-of-the-area. It wasn't until a traffic-report/commercial break that I realized the problem was with the station's whole sound products. As of today (12/17) the problem seems to have been fixed. Yikes... gotta go hear Bob Brinker! Bye. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 18 00:46:46 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:46:46 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <001801c60275$1374f8e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <43A4B176.20749.90CACE@localhost> On 16 Dec 2005 at 14:14, Dan Strassberg wrote: > NOBODY on this list has suggested that 102.5 will flip to Spanish. Reread > the postings--this time with your eyes open! Scott Fybush did suggest that > 99.5 might flip. Its Tx location, right next to Lawrence, which is > something like 80% Hispanic, makes it a logical candidate. But if 99.5 > brings Greater Media, say, $60 million in a forced sale, there is still > the question of whether it is economically justifiable to flip to Spanish > a Massachusetts station that has cost its purchaser that much. Other > scenarios can be postulated--involving other signals that are Boston > rimshots. This is a field day for speculation by those of us with no money > but plenty of wild imagination. Joseph Gallant, who no longer posts to > this list, must be drooling! Well, here are a few scenarios I'd like to see (though, unlike Joseph Gallant, I don't have any illusions that any of them have much chance of happening): 99.5 gets bought by Bob Bittner 99.5 gets bought by the Boston Symphony and becomes the new WCRB 99.5 gets bought by the New York Times or the Boston Globe and becomes affiliated with WQXR or becomes the new WCRB 99.5 gets bought by Doug or Woody Tanger and gets the classical programming that used to be on WBOQ Somebody with an interest in the Ted Jones trust takes legal action that forces 99.5 to go classical as compensation for the loss of 102.5. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 18 00:46:47 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:46:47 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt In-Reply-To: <002001c60233$94300340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <43A4B177.20769.90CBF9@localhost> On 16 Dec 2005 at 6:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It > would most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media > around 1958 or so--if memory serves. (This was decades before "Family" in > the name of a station owner implied a Christian format.) At the time, > Bartell owned top-40 ratings powerhouses WOKY Milwaukee and KCBQ San > Diego. I think the 1090 calls were WBMS until Bartell took over and > flipped them to WILD. What I remember is moving back to the Boston area from Albany in May 1957 and surveying the AM dial to see what stations were where. I missed 1090 the first time through because I did that part of the dial at night. I didn't know about daytime-only stations at that time -- we didn't seem to have them in Albany. Later, I found WBMS at 1090. I don't remember any of the promotion of WILD, just that one day, as I was going down the dial, I found 1090 and was surprised to discover that the call letters were now WILD. That was the first change of call letters that I experienced, and at first, I didn't quite realize that was what it was and was puzzled by it. And yes, the 1150 call letters were still WCOP. They stayed WCOP until sometime in the 1970s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Dec 18 01:26:51 2005 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:26:51 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt In-Reply-To: <43A4B177.20769.90CBF9@localhost> References: <002001c60233$94300340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051218012309.02f652c8@pop.registeredsite.com> >On 16 Dec 2005 at 6:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It > > would most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media > > around 1958 or so--if memory serves. Actually, it was in 1957. WBMS was sold to Bartell on 5 September 1957, to be exact. The WBMS calls were dumped and WILD was born. I recall listening to it as a kid-- Wild Man Steve, Jimmy "Early" Byrd and others-- the only place in town to hear black music, although the top 40 stations played some of the more mass appeal cross-over hits. From bradfordwood@comcast.net Sun Dec 18 08:01:08 2005 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:01:08 +0000 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> What I don't understand is why would you shake up two groups of listeners (Country and Classical)? Why couldn't 99.5 stay country (which it has been for 10+ years) and 102.5 stay Classical? (I guess a deeper question is: What is with radio making changes for the sake of change?) Does 102.5 offer better coverage into Boston or vice versa? One of our engineers on-list could probably answer that, and maybe that's the reasoning. But change just for the sake of change will only frustrate radio listeners more than they already are when it comes to the state of radio today? BW -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "A. Joseph Ross" > Well, here are a few scenarios I'd like to see (though, unlike Joseph Gallant, I > don't have any > illusions that any of them have much chance of happening): > > 99.5 gets bought by Bob Bittner > > 99.5 gets bought by the Boston Symphony and becomes the new WCRB > > 99.5 gets bought by the New York Times or the Boston Globe and becomes > affiliated with > WQXR or becomes the new WCRB > > 99.5 gets bought by Doug or Woody Tanger and gets the classical programming that > used to > be on WBOQ > > Somebody with an interest in the Ted Jones trust takes legal action that forces > 99.5 to go > classical as compensation for the loss of 102.5 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Dec 18 10:48:05 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:48:05 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < Does 102.5 offer better coverage into Boston or vice versa? Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is thought to be worth much less than that -- it's the difference between a Waltham station and a Lowell station. (One fly in the ointment for Greater Media, however, is the 10.7-MHz IF taboo which prevents 102.5 from moving to the Pru. But 102.5 transmits from FM-128 in Needham, where Greater's Pru stations all have backup facilities, which is at least more convenient to the Dorchester studios than 99.5's transmitter on Wood Hill in Andover.) -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 18 11:56:45 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:56:45 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0 E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 10:48 AM -0500 12/18/05, Garrett Wollman wrote: >< > > Does 102.5 offer better coverage into Boston or vice versa? > >But 102.5 transmits from FM-128 in Needham, >where Greater's Pru stations all have backup facilities, which is at >least more convenient to the Dorchester studios than 99.5's >transmitter on Wood Hill in Andover.) > By my very rough measurements, The FM 128 tower is 10 miles from dowtown Boston, while Andover is 20 miles. This should mean that both stations have a grade A signal downtown. The biggest difference should be that 99.5 would be weaker south of Boston, but stronger into southern NH and ME. I'm sure this was a consideration in locating the country format there and moving the "smooth jazz" (at the time) format to 96.9 so many years ago. Likewise, 102.5 should be stronger than 99.5 in areas west and south of Boston. So, it all really has to do with the suburbs. While Boston may be considered the hub, the total population of the suburbs is several times the population of the city. By how much depends on how far out you consider to be suburbs. But it is clear to me that most stations in the Boston market need to consider the suburban audience more than the city audience if they are to maximize their listenership. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 13:03:58 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:03:58 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0 E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218124704.03c113f8@fybush.com> >By my very rough measurements, The FM 128 tower is 10 miles from >dowtown Boston, while Andover is 20 miles. This should mean that >both stations have a grade A signal downtown. The biggest >difference should be that 99.5 would be weaker south of Boston, but >stronger into southern NH and ME. I'm sure this was a consideration >in locating the country format there and moving the "smooth jazz" >(at the time) format to 96.9 so many years ago. > >Likewise, 102.5 should be stronger than 99.5 in areas west and south >of Boston. > >So, it all really has to do with the suburbs. While Boston may be >considered the hub, the total population of the suburbs is several >times the population of the city. By how much depends on how far >out you consider to be suburbs. But it is clear to me that most >stations in the Boston market need to consider the suburban audience >more than the city audience if they are to maximize their listenership. There are a few other pieces to this puzzle, too. Merely having a "grade A" (which is really a TV term, not a radio term) signal downtown isn't enough anymore. To have any hope of being heard on a real-world radio in much of the city, you've got to be able to overcome the "RF haze" that blankets the city from the many FMs on the Pru. Realistically, that means not merely a 60 dBu (usable, absent other factors, by most home receivers) or a 70 dBu ("city-grade") signal, but something more in the range of 80 dBu. Using zip 02116, right in the Back Bay, as my measuring point, the calculator at www.v-soft.com tells me that the Pru FMs are putting about 122 dBu over the neighborhood. The FM128 FMs, WCRB included, clock in with 86 dBu or so. Anyone who's driven through the Back Bay knows any signals less strong than those have problems - WFNX delivers 78.2 dBu, WMKK delivers 77.8, and even they experience trouble from the Pru. The 99.5 signal delivers 68.7 mVm, which would be a great signal in most non-urban areas, but not so great in the RF-saturated neighborhoods of Boston. Larry's correct that the difference between the two signals is dramatic north and south of Boston - Brockton, for instance, gets about 72 dBu from both the Pru and FM128 FMs, but only 53 dBu from WKLB, which is barely enough to provide adequate car-radio reception. Go up to Salem, N.H. and you get 83 dBu from WKLB, 61 dBu from the Pru and 59 dBu from FM128. I would bet that there's a decent audience for country music, if not in Brockton proper, then certainly in neighboring towns - and I'd bet many WKLB advertisers would take the tradeoff of somewhat weaker reception in southern NH to be able to reach the South Shore on 102.5. (Worcester gets 61 dBu from FM128, 56 dBu from the Pru and 53 dBu from WKLB.) There are other factors, too, especially with the introduction of HD Radio (and we know Greater's been a strong proponent of HD Radio). In a crowded spectrum like New England's, adjacent-channel interference can kill HD reception even in areas where the received signal is relatively strong. 99.5 gets severely pinched by WPLM on 99.1, making HD reception on that frequency iffy in Boston proper and impossible anywhere to the south. 102.5's edges are considerably cleaner. (This assumes, of course, that HD radios ever become widely available, but that's another discussion.) s From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 13:03:58 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:03:58 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0 E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218124704.03c113f8@fybush.com> >By my very rough measurements, The FM 128 tower is 10 miles from >dowtown Boston, while Andover is 20 miles. This should mean that >both stations have a grade A signal downtown. The biggest >difference should be that 99.5 would be weaker south of Boston, but >stronger into southern NH and ME. I'm sure this was a consideration >in locating the country format there and moving the "smooth jazz" >(at the time) format to 96.9 so many years ago. > >Likewise, 102.5 should be stronger than 99.5 in areas west and south >of Boston. > >So, it all really has to do with the suburbs. While Boston may be >considered the hub, the total population of the suburbs is several >times the population of the city. By how much depends on how far >out you consider to be suburbs. But it is clear to me that most >stations in the Boston market need to consider the suburban audience >more than the city audience if they are to maximize their listenership. There are a few other pieces to this puzzle, too. Merely having a "grade A" (which is really a TV term, not a radio term) signal downtown isn't enough anymore. To have any hope of being heard on a real-world radio in much of the city, you've got to be able to overcome the "RF haze" that blankets the city from the many FMs on the Pru. Realistically, that means not merely a 60 dBu (usable, absent other factors, by most home receivers) or a 70 dBu ("city-grade") signal, but something more in the range of 80 dBu. Using zip 02116, right in the Back Bay, as my measuring point, the calculator at www.v-soft.com tells me that the Pru FMs are putting about 122 dBu over the neighborhood. The FM128 FMs, WCRB included, clock in with 86 dBu or so. Anyone who's driven through the Back Bay knows any signals less strong than those have problems - WFNX delivers 78.2 dBu, WMKK delivers 77.8, and even they experience trouble from the Pru. The 99.5 signal delivers 68.7 mVm, which would be a great signal in most non-urban areas, but not so great in the RF-saturated neighborhoods of Boston. Larry's correct that the difference between the two signals is dramatic north and south of Boston - Brockton, for instance, gets about 72 dBu from both the Pru and FM128 FMs, but only 53 dBu from WKLB, which is barely enough to provide adequate car-radio reception. Go up to Salem, N.H. and you get 83 dBu from WKLB, 61 dBu from the Pru and 59 dBu from FM128. I would bet that there's a decent audience for country music, if not in Brockton proper, then certainly in neighboring towns - and I'd bet many WKLB advertisers would take the tradeoff of somewhat weaker reception in southern NH to be able to reach the South Shore on 102.5. (Worcester gets 61 dBu from FM128, 56 dBu from the Pru and 53 dBu from WKLB.) There are other factors, too, especially with the introduction of HD Radio (and we know Greater's been a strong proponent of HD Radio). In a crowded spectrum like New England's, adjacent-channel interference can kill HD reception even in areas where the received signal is relatively strong. 99.5 gets severely pinched by WPLM on 99.1, making HD reception on that frequency iffy in Boston proper and impossible anywhere to the south. 102.5's edges are considerably cleaner. (This assumes, of course, that HD radios ever become widely available, but that's another discussion.) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 14:04:16 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:04:16 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt References: <43A4B177.20769.90CBF9@localhost> Message-ID: <004701c6040c$e4423260$19eefea9@dstrassberg> As I recall from my college days in Troy (I graduated in 1956), the two closest daytimers to the Capital District were WSPN 900 in Saratoga Springs and WBTN Bennington VT on 1370. There was also a daytimer in Rutland VT, WHWB 1000, which I could hear in Troy. Not too much later, there was a daytimer IN the Capital District, WEEE Rensselaer 1300. WEEE was founded by Harry L Goldman, after he sold WROW--which he had built--to Capital Cities. That company, over a long period, through growth and acquisition, morphed into ABC. What began as WEEE is now a full-timer with a six-tower DA, the only major AM in the market with a tranmitter east of the Hudson. Before either of us was in the Capital Cities, WTRY had been a daytimer. The transmitter had been in Latham. I don't know exactly when WTRY went full-time and moved its transmitter a few miles west to Niskayuna with a three-tower array. Back in my time, WTRY operated DA-1, but a few years after my departure, it became DA-N. After I graduated, RPI sold its share-time WHAZ 1330 to United Broadcasting, owner of WBBR, one of WHAZ's two share-time partners in New York City. (The WBBR of that day was unrelated to today's WBBR 1130.) United's goal was to get WHAZ's hours (6:00 PM Mondays to 3:00 AM Tuesdays) for WBBR. The other share-time partner, WEVD had other ideas and took the issue to the FCC. WBBR ended up gaining only three hours a week from the acquisition, but the two New York City 1330 stations eventually merged. United turned WHAZ into a daytimer and it remains a Class D AM with low night power. Later, there was another daytimer in the Capital District, WXKW 1600 in Watervliet or Cohoes, I believe. Like its predecessor on 850, which lested only about five years, the second WXKW lasted only a few years. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Re: WILD 1950's Stunt > On 16 Dec 2005 at 6:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It > > would most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media > > around 1958 or so--if memory serves. (This was decades before "Family" in > > the name of a station owner implied a Christian format.) At the time, > > Bartell owned top-40 ratings powerhouses WOKY Milwaukee and KCBQ San > > Diego. I think the 1090 calls were WBMS until Bartell took over and > > flipped them to WILD. > > What I remember is moving back to the Boston area from Albany in May 1957 and surveying > the AM dial to see what stations were where. I missed 1090 the first time through because I > did that part of the dial at night. I didn't know about daytime-only stations at that time -- we > didn't seem to have them in Albany. Later, I found WBMS at 1090. > > I don't remember any of the promotion of WILD, just that one day, as I was going down the dial, > I found 1090 and was surprised to discover that the call letters were now WILD. That was the > first change of call letters that I experienced, and at first, I didn't quite realize that was what it > was and was puzzled by it. > > And yes, the 1150 call letters were still WCOP. They stayed WCOP until sometime in the > 1970s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 14:31:37 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:31:37 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <004801c6040c$e5027520$19eefea9@dstrassberg> What am I missing? 102.5-10.7=91.8. Is 102.5 prevented from moving to the Pru by WUMB in Quincy and various low-power 91.7s that ring Boston? If so, does this limitation make any sense? I gather that the problem is not the station on 102.5 but radiation from the local oscillators of all the radios tuned to 102.5. I guess LOs of FM radios operate 10.7-MHz below the station to which the radio is tuned. By preventing 102.5 from moving to the Pru, it would not seem to me that you'd prevent many radios close to WUMB or the various 91.7s from being tuned to 102.5. Also, are you (implicity) saying that Channel 5 (76 to 82 MHz) is constrained to operate from 128 because of image interference from an FM on the Pru? (Not that there is much likelihood of Channel 5 moving off the Chanel 4 tower, but 92.9-10.7=82.2.) Or does WBOS transmit from 128? (I know it used to, but I thought it had moved.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > < > > Does 102.5 offer better coverage into Boston or vice versa? > > Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is > thought to be worth much less than that -- it's the difference between > a Waltham station and a Lowell station. (One fly in the ointment for > Greater Media, however, is the 10.7-MHz IF taboo which prevents 102.5 > from moving to the Pru. But 102.5 transmits from FM-128 in Needham, > where Greater's Pru stations all have backup facilities, which is at > least more convenient to the Dorchester studios than 99.5's > transmitter on Wood Hill in Andover.) > > -GAWollman > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 14:53:42 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:53:42 -0500 Subject: WILD 1950's Stunt References: <002001c60233$94300340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <5.1.0.14.2.20051218012309.02f652c8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <004901c6040c$e5a12620$19eefea9@dstrassberg> While Bartell was programming the station, WILD did not program African-American music. WILD might have broadcast such music while Bartell still owned it, though. Bartell might have retained onwership and first LMAed the station to Noble and then to Nash, who later acquired it. I can easily imagine the LMA scenario because, back in those days, the FCC frowned on owners trying to sell stations that they had owned for less than three years. The term the FCC used for such transfers was trafficking in broadcast licenses. The FCC generally would refuse to grant transfers of stations whose seller hadn't owned them long enough unless the seller could establish that hardship was forcing the sale. I'm sure that many broadcast attorneys then hurried off to local colleges to take night courses in creative writing. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:26 AM Subject: Re: WILD 1950's Stunt > > >On 16 Dec 2005 at 6:26, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > > > I don't recall the stunt--but that doesn't mean it never happened. It > > > would most likely have happened when WILD was sold to Bartell Family Media > > > around 1958 or so--if memory serves. > > Actually, it was in 1957. WBMS was sold to Bartell on 5 September 1957, to > be exact. The WBMS calls were dumped and WILD was born. I recall > listening to it as a kid-- Wild Man Steve, Jimmy "Early" Byrd and others-- > the only place in town to hear black music, although the top 40 stations > played some of the more mass appeal cross-over hits. > From stephanie@gordsven.com Sun Dec 18 15:06:04 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:06:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1211.66.65.49.10.1134936364.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Sun, December 18, 2005 10:48, Garrett Wollman said: > > Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is > thought to be worth much less than that -- Why can't the operator of the 99.5 FM transmitter move it to the Pru ... or even John Hancock building? Wouldn't it make sense to have your FM stations on the highest buildings in the city? 99.5 FM is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to listen to in Boston itself. How do FM stations manage to get listeners there? Most of them are stepping all over each other in the worst ways. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From stephanie@gordsven.com Sun Dec 18 15:11:29 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:11:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: How about Portugese? (was Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh.....) In-Reply-To: <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1216.66.65.49.10.1134936689.squirrel@66.65.49.10> If any FM station in Boston is going to switch formats to non-English programming, wouldn't an obvious choice be Portugese? Seems like there are LOTS of Portugese-speaking people in Boston and all they're stuck with is part-time hours here and there on scattered frequencies. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 15:18:48 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:18:48 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net><17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1211.66.65.49.10.1134936364.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <007101c60410$45331000$19eefea9@dstrassberg> 99.5 is second-adjacent to 99.1. I think that precludes 99.5's moving any further south. The owner of WPLM-FM (daughter of the Mr Campbell who founded WPLM AM&FM and Campbell Sports Network, which at one time held of the Red Sox broadcast rights) has reportedly repeatedly refused very lucrative offers for WPLM-FM--and even for WPLM (AM). She apparently won't sell at any price. WPLM-FM plus WKLB would have very nice combined coverage but neither one has a competitive signal in downtown Boston. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Weil" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > > On Sun, December 18, 2005 10:48, Garrett Wollman said: > > > > > Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is > > thought to be worth much less than that -- > > Why can't the operator of the 99.5 FM transmitter move it to the Pru ... > or even John Hancock building? > > Wouldn't it make sense to have your FM stations on the highest buildings > in the city? > > 99.5 FM is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to listen to in Boston itself. How do FM > stations manage to get listeners there? Most of them are stepping all > over each other in the worst ways. > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, NY, USA From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 15:20:38 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <004801c6040c$e5027520$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <004801c6040c$e5027520$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218150951.03bfce50@fybush.com> At 02:31 PM 12/18/2005, Dan Strassberg wrote: >What am I missing? 102.5-10.7=91.8. Is 102.5 prevented from moving to the >Pru by WUMB in Quincy and various low-power 91.7s that ring Boston? Yup. Section 73.207 of the FCC's rules sets out the table of spacing requirements for FM channel separation, and it includes spacing rules for stations 10.6 and 10.8 MHz distant. In the case of a class B signal like WCRB, it must maintain a 15 km separation from a class A facility like WUMB. (The spacing requirements vary, from 10 km between two class A stations to 48 km between two class C stations.) From FM128 to WUMB in Quincy is 17 km. From the Pru to WUMB is 10.9 km. The FCC does not waive the IF short-spacing, nor does it allow the use of directional antennas or terrain-based contour protection to alleviate IF short-spacing as it does with other short spacings. Channel 5 isn't an issue with regard to WBOS, since 82.2 is outside channel 5's spectrum. (It's in channel 6.) The only potential conflict that the FCC recognizes between low-band VHF and FM is between channel 6 (with audio carrier at 87.75 MHz) and stations on 98.5, and there's a chart of allowable spacings for such stations on the FCC website. (In one notable case a few years back, KUPL-FM in Portland OR moved from 98.5 to 98.7 to allow it to move its antenna to the same ridge as KOIN-TV 6.) The FCC spacing charts are at www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/spacing. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 15:36:21 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:36:21 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <1211.66.65.49.10.1134936364.squirrel@66.65.49.10> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1211.66.65.49.10.1134936364.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218152143.03c13720@fybush.com> At 03:06 PM 12/18/2005, Stephanie Weil wrote: >On Sun, December 18, 2005 10:48, Garrett Wollman said: > > > > > Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is > > thought to be worth much less than that -- > >Why can't the operator of the 99.5 FM transmitter move it to the Pru ... >or even John Hancock building? > >Wouldn't it make sense to have your FM stations on the highest buildings >in the city? It sure would, but there are two issues. First - 99.5 is licensed to Lowell, so any site it uses has to maintain 70 dBu coverage of substantially all of Lowell. That's a challenge to accomplish from Boston. Second, and more critically - there's WPLM-FM in Plymouth on 99.1. Full spacing between two class B stations on second-adjacent channels is 74 km. It's 87.4 km from Wood Hill in Andover to the WPLM site in Plymouth. The next sizable tower location to the south is the WMKK tower in Peabody, and that's only 67 km from WPLM. The FCC allows short spacing under certain circumstances, if the use of a directional antenna by one or both stations can prevent each station's 54 dBu contour from touching the other station's 94 dBu contour. WPLM's 54 dBu contour covers most of the obvious sites closer in to Boston, and even some of the less obvious ones. Third, any station on 99.5 has to maintain 15 km spacing from WERS on 88.9, which further restricts any opportunity to use a site closer in to the city. There are less-obvious ways to move 99.5 closer in to Boston than it presently is...but that's the domain of expensive consultants (or at least me, with my billable-hours hat on :-) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 16:22:47 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:22:47 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net><17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu><004801c6040c$e5027520$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <7.0.0.16.0.20051218150951.03bfce50@fybush.com> Message-ID: <008501c60419$368335e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I'm still missing something. I get your explanation of the rule, Scott, but if I'm right about the source of the interference to the stations 10.6 and 10.8 MHz below the interfering station, the rule does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. I guess the rule must not be directed at radiation from the LOs of receivers as I had thought but rather at the LO frequency falling within the passband of a station you are trying to tune in. Or maybe the LO in FM receivers runs 10.7 MHz ABOVE the station the receiver is tuned to. I rejected that possibility out-of-hand because that would put the LO for stations above 97.3 in the aircraft band that starts just above 108. I didn't figure that would be safe because radiation from LOs could interfere with transmissions in that band and cause planes to crash. But maybe the FCC isn't worried about radiation from FM receivers--except maybe receivers carried onto planes by airline passengers. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "Garrett Wollman" ; Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > At 02:31 PM 12/18/2005, Dan Strassberg wrote: > >What am I missing? 102.5-10.7=91.8. Is 102.5 prevented from moving to the > >Pru by WUMB in Quincy and various low-power 91.7s that ring Boston? > > Yup. > > Section 73.207 of the FCC's rules sets out the table of spacing > requirements for FM channel separation, and it includes spacing rules > for stations 10.6 and 10.8 MHz distant. In the case of a class B > signal like WCRB, it must maintain a 15 km separation from a class A > facility like WUMB. (The spacing requirements vary, from 10 km > between two class A stations to 48 km between two class C stations.) > > From FM128 to WUMB in Quincy is 17 km. From the Pru to WUMB is 10.9 km. > > The FCC does not waive the IF short-spacing, nor does it allow the > use of directional antennas or terrain-based contour protection to > alleviate IF short-spacing as it does with other short spacings. > > Channel 5 isn't an issue with regard to WBOS, since 82.2 is outside > channel 5's spectrum. (It's in channel 6.) The only potential > conflict that the FCC recognizes between low-band VHF and FM is > between channel 6 (with audio carrier at 87.75 MHz) and stations on > 98.5, and there's a chart of allowable spacings for such stations on > the FCC website. (In one notable case a few years back, KUPL-FM in > Portland OR moved from 98.5 to 98.7 to allow it to move its antenna > to the same ridge as KOIN-TV 6.) > > The FCC spacing charts are at www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/spacing. > > s > From sid@wrko.com Sun Dec 18 18:49:02 2005 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:49:02 -0700 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: >>99.5 is second-adjacent to 99.1. I think that precludes 99.5's moving any further south. The owner of WPLM-FM (daughter of the Mr Campbell who founded WPLM AM&FM and Campbell Sports Network, which at one time held of the Red Sox broadcast rights) has reportedly repeatedly refused very lucrative offers for WPLM-FM--and even for WPLM (AM). She apparently won't sell at any price. WPLM-FM plus WKLB would have very nice combined coverage but neither one has a competitive signal in downtown Boston.<< Add to that the fact that 99.5 is assigned to Lowell, meaning that it has to put a city-grade signal over most of that city. The farther south you go from its present location, the more difficult that becomes. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 18 20:13:43 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:13:43 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... References: Message-ID: <000901c60439$7a819f00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Both points made also by Scott Fybush. I suspect, though, that, were it not for WPLM, WKLB could deliver the requisite 70 dBu (I think that's the correct figure) to Lowell from Zion Hill in Woburn, from which we know that an adequate signal could be delivered to Boston because WXHR did it from there for many years with only 20 kW. I suppose that Zion Hill is farther from Lowell than the WRKO site is from Lawrence--perhaps enough farther that I am wrong about delivering the requisite signal to Lowell, but WLAW-FM, operating from what are now the WRKO towers, delivered the requisite signal to Lawrence with no more than 20 kW from a HAAT that I believe is lower than that that WXHR used in Woburn. All of which raises the question of whether there would be any point in trying to move WKLB to Woburn and directionalize it to protect WPLM-FM. The directional operation would wipe out much, if not all, of the big advantage in moving south: improved coverage of Boston. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > >>99.5 is second-adjacent to 99.1. I think that precludes 99.5's moving > any > further south. The owner of WPLM-FM (daughter of the Mr Campbell who > founded > WPLM AM&FM and Campbell Sports Network, which at one time held of the > Red > Sox broadcast rights) has reportedly repeatedly refused very lucrative > offers for WPLM-FM--and even for WPLM (AM). She apparently won't sell at > any > price. WPLM-FM plus WKLB would have very nice combined coverage but > neither > one has a competitive signal in downtown Boston.<< > > Add to that the fact that 99.5 is assigned to Lowell, meaning that it > has to put a city-grade signal over most of that city. The farther > south you go from its present location, the more difficult that becomes. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Sun Dec 18 20:14:10 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:14:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> On Sun, December 18, 2005 18:49, Sid Schweiger said: > Add to that the fact that 99.5 is assigned to Lowell, meaning that it > has to put a city-grade signal over most of that city. The farther > south you go from its present location, the more difficult that becomes. The logical thing would be to shut down 99.1 FM and reassign 99.5 to Boston. But if 99.1's operator doesn't want to give that thing up.....oh well. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 21:39:15 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:39:15 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> References: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218213713.03c6fa58@fybush.com> At 08:14 PM 12/18/2005, Stephanie Weil wrote: >On Sun, December 18, 2005 18:49, Sid Schweiger said: > > > Add to that the fact that 99.5 is assigned to Lowell, meaning that it > > has to put a city-grade signal over most of that city. The farther > > south you go from its present location, the more difficult that becomes. > >The logical thing would be to shut down 99.1 FM and reassign 99.5 to Boston. > >But if 99.1's operator doesn't want to give that thing up.....oh well. Shutting down 99.1 completely would be throwing away what's probably a $20 million signal. I wish I were that rich! There are ways to move 99.1 that would clear the spacing to make 99.5 a pretty good (but not quite as good as the big guys) Boston signal...but then there are all sorts of things one can do when one's getting theoretical. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 21:39:15 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:39:15 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> References: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218213713.03c6fa58@fybush.com> At 08:14 PM 12/18/2005, Stephanie Weil wrote: >On Sun, December 18, 2005 18:49, Sid Schweiger said: > > > Add to that the fact that 99.5 is assigned to Lowell, meaning that it > > has to put a city-grade signal over most of that city. The farther > > south you go from its present location, the more difficult that becomes. > >The logical thing would be to shut down 99.1 FM and reassign 99.5 to Boston. > >But if 99.1's operator doesn't want to give that thing up.....oh well. Shutting down 99.1 completely would be throwing away what's probably a $20 million signal. I wish I were that rich! There are ways to move 99.1 that would clear the spacing to make 99.5 a pretty good (but not quite as good as the big guys) Boston signal...but then there are all sorts of things one can do when one's getting theoretical. s From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 18 22:53:51 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:53:51 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218213713.03c6fa58@fybush.com> References: <1494.66.65.49.10.1134954850.squirrel@66.65.49.10> <7.0.0.16.0.20051218213713.03c6fa58@fybush.com> Message-ID: At 9:39 PM -0500 12/18/05, Scott Fybush wrote: > >There are ways to move 99.1 that would clear the spacing to make >99.5 a pretty good (but not quite as good as the big guys) Boston >signal...but then there are all sorts of things one can do when >one's getting theoretical. If 99.1 were to be moved (theoretically), it probably could not be moved any closer to New Haven, CT than it presently is. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sid@wrko.com Sun Dec 18 23:04:26 2005 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:04:26 -0700 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: >>The logical thing would be to shut down 99.1 FM and reassign 99.5 to Boston.<< Depriving TWO communities of their only local FM service, especially in the eyes of the FCC, hardly qualifies as logical...nor does assigning yet another FM to Boston. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Sun Dec 18 23:07:50 2005 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:07:50 -0700 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: >>I would imagine one could file for a COL change to somewhere like Tewksbury, Wilmington, Burlington, etc., seeing as 99.5 moving would still leave Lowell with "local service."<< Not from the FCC's viewpoint. A station's public service obligation derives from its COL first...other communities later or not at all. The FCC would only view such a move as depriving Lowell of its only commercial FM, and the burden on the applicant to show just cause for that kind of move is much higher than it would be if Lowell had other commercial FM assignments. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 18 23:32:29 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:32:29 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218232728.03c1fe28@fybush.com> At 11:07 PM 12/18/2005, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>I would imagine one could file for a COL change to somewhere >like Tewksbury, Wilmington, Burlington, etc., seeing as 99.5 >moving would still leave Lowell with "local service."<< > >Not from the FCC's viewpoint. A station's public service obligation >derives from its COL first...other communities later or not at all. The >FCC would only view such a move as depriving Lowell of its only >commercial FM, and the burden on the applicant to show just cause for >that kind of move is much higher than it would be if Lowell had other >commercial FM assignments. The FCC places a decisively higher priority on a new first local service to a community than on maintaining third local service to an already-served community. All an applicant would have to do would be to demonstrate that Burlington or Lexington or Woburn is sufficiently independent of Boston to merit its own service (not a very high hurdle to jump, based on current FCC policy) and that Lowell would continue to receive service from WCAP and WLLH. The FM-versus-AM distinction is no longer a factor in the decision. That Lexington or Burlington or Woburn already receive signal coverage from stations licensed to other communities is, as Sid correctly observes, not a factor in the FCC's current policy, just as any continued coverage of Lowell from a moved 99.5 signal wouldn't matter. The COL rules are rather far divorced from reality these days. s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 03:21:33 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:21:33 -0500 Subject: Herald: Severin back to WBZ Jan 3! Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512190021tfc0721an50c4df259972c7a1@mail.gmail.com> Just when we thought Jay would never be back at 'TKK, come word (Boston Herald Inside Track) that his new national show has signed a one year deal with the L.A. Dodgers (oops, sorry, that's Nomar...) --a one year deal with Greater Media's WTKK! Meet the new station, same as the old station. http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=117677&format=&page=3 This after being grounded for three months; being wiped off the website, and so on. GM had until the end of the year to exclusively negotiate with them and it looks like they pulled it out before Infinity/WBZ had a chance. The article says Michael Graham continues 3-7 pm, then Severin, and then Laura Ingraham tape delayed. So where will the second most popular host in the country, Hannity, go? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 03:23:00 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:23:00 -0500 Subject: Oops! I meant WTKK (was re: Severin) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512190023u356b973dg192b605e54aa2ef8@mail.gmail.com> Oops! I had WBZ on the brain for a minute there. I meant Severin back to WTKK according to Herald! From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 19 03:57:02 2005 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:57:02 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... Message-ID: > > From: "Dan Strassberg" > CC: boston Radio Interest > > To: "Garrett Wollman" , > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:31:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... > > What am I missing? 102.5-10.7=91.8. Is 102.5 prevented from moving > to the > Pru by WUMB in Quincy and various low-power 91.7s that ring Boston? > If so, does this limitation make any sense? I recall seeing a graphic illustration of the problem that can be caused by receiving stations on interfering IF frequencies. I visited a friend with a Technics digital tuning stereo receiver who lived in a location where WFNX 101.7 and WBUR 90.9 came in just about equally strong, and because the location was on a hill, the signal strength for both stations was strong at the receiver. This receiver produced a mix of WFNX and WBUR audio when tuned to ANY spot on the FM dial on which there wasn't another strong local station. EP From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 19 13:05:49 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:05:49 -0500 Subject: Oops! I meant WTKK (was re: Severin) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0512190023u356b973dg192b605e54aa2ef8@mail.gmail.co m> References: <1fbbbced0512190023u356b973dg192b605e54aa2ef8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219130359.03216580@fybush.com> I know it's not nice to gloat...but sometimes you just have to: Told ya so! :-) I can't imagine that Severin would have been a good fit for WBZ. I do think he'll be a tremendous threat to WRKO's strategy...or was the Feinburg show really a smokescreen, with Hannity heading for 680 now? At 03:23 AM 12/19/2005, Bob Nelson wrote: >Oops! I had WBZ on the brain for a minute there. I meant Severin back >to WTKK according to Herald! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:05:53 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:05:53 -0500 Subject: Oops! I meant WTKK (was re: Severin) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219130359.03216580@fybush.com> References: <1fbbbced0512190023u356b973dg192b605e54aa2ef8@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219130359.03216580@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512191205x62a4e9e0nf9e45704add26bbd@mail.gmail.com> >>I can't imagine that Severin would have been a good fit for WBZ. I do think he'll be a tremendous threat to WRKO's strategy...or was the Feinburg show really a smokescreen, with Hannity heading for 680 now? ABC Radio does Hannity...hmm! Taste of Boston tonight could well be temporary! Of course Hannity would be subject to pre-emption by Celtics... I forecast that Severin would go to WBZ and my forecast was incorrect. Boy do I have egg on my face on that one (remember when Zip Rzeppa did sports on Ch 7 and he picked the wrong team for a Super Bowl win? He said he had egg on his face and smashed an egg right on it; it dripped down as he continued the sports report. Never saw, but Howie has mentioned that a few times!)--Bob On 12/19/05, Scott Fybush wrote: > I know it's not nice to gloat...but sometimes you just have to: Told ya so! :-) > > I can't imagine that Severin would have been a good fit for WBZ. I do > think he'll be a tremendous threat to WRKO's strategy...or was the > Feinburg show really a smokescreen, with Hannity heading for 680 now? > > At 03:23 AM 12/19/2005, Bob Nelson wrote: > >Oops! I had WBZ on the brain for a minute there. I meant Severin back > >to WTKK according to Herald! > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 19 19:31:25 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:31:25 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <17317.33973.487726.395213@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <121820051301.23162.43A55D9400006CB500005A7A22007456720B0101990B9D01000B0E9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43A70A8D.20085.7D4CEA@localhost> On 18 Dec 2005 at 10:48, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Does 102.5 offer better coverage into Boston or vice versa? > > Oh, very much so. That's why 102.5 is a $100M signals and 99.5 is > thought to be worth much less than that -- it's the difference between a > Waltham station and a Lowell station. (One fly in the ointment for > Greater Media, however, is the 10.7-MHz IF taboo which prevents 102.5 from > moving to the Pru. But 102.5 transmits from FM-128 in Needham, where > Greater's Pru stations all have backup facilities, which is at least more > convenient to the Dorchester studios than 99.5's transmitter on Wood Hill > in Andover.) On the other hand, some newer cheap radios have trouble picking up the 102.5 signal. I have at least two radios here in Brookline that get WCRB with great difficulty if at all. It sometimes gets a bit difficult in my office, too, though it tends to be better since I brought one of my better radios in to the office. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 19 19:31:25 2005 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:31:25 -0500 Subject: 102.5 to Spanish? Nahhh..... In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051218150951.03bfce50@fybush.com> References: <004801c6040c$e5027520$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <43A70A8D.8768.7D4D4A@localhost> On 18 Dec 2005 at 15:20, Scott Fybush wrote: > Channel 5 isn't an issue with regard to WBOS, since 82.2 is outside > channel 5's spectrum. (It's in channel 6.) The only potential > conflict that the FCC recognizes between low-band VHF and FM is > between channel 6 (with audio carrier at 87.75 MHz) and stations on > 98.5, and there's a chart of allowable spacings for such stations on the > FCC website. (In one notable case a few years back, KUPL-FM in Portland OR > moved from 98.5 to 98.7 to allow it to move its antenna to the same ridge > as KOIN-TV 6.) Now what I've been wondering about for a long time is this: When we moved to Bedford, MA in May 1957 and shortly after that got a new TV set, we sometimes used to get signal, snowy but recognizeable, from Channel 6 in Portland, Maine. Until WHDH-TV channel 5 came on. We never could get Channel 6 after that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 19 17:16:10 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:16:10 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com> From Bruce Conti in Nashua, via the ABDX mailing list: >The three-tower directional array of 1590 WSMN was torn down today, leaving >an empty space in the Nashua skyline at Routes 3 and 111. I missed all the >action, as the last of the heavy equipment was seen being carted >away while on my >commute home from work. What remains of the old WSMN is the once stately and >now abandoned house on the hill that served as the studios and offices. >Meanwhile 1590 WSMN is diplexed with the 900 WSNH tower, a weak >signal relaying >ESPN from WSNH, in what appears to be a slow and painful death, awaiting >transplant to a new location that may never be found. > >Bruce Conti - Nashua NH >BAConti@aol.com >http://members.aol.com/baconti/bamlog.htm From hykker@grolen.com Tue Dec 20 07:39:32 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:39:32 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051220073659.01b07188@pop3.grolen.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > From Bruce Conti in Nashua, via the ABDX mailing list: > >>The three-tower directional array of 1590 WSMN was torn down today, leaving >>an empty space in the Nashua skyline at Routes 3 and 111. I missed all the >>action, as the last of the heavy equipment was seen being carted away >>while on my >>commute home from work. What remains of the old WSMN is the once stately and >>now abandoned house on the hill that served as the studios and offices. >>Meanwhile 1590 WSMN is diplexed with the 900 WSNH tower, a weak signal >>relaying >>ESPN from WSNH, in what appears to be a slow and painful death, awaiting >>transplant to a new location that may never be found. Not sure what effect it has on Nashua's "skyline"...those towers barely cleared the trees anyway. It is a shame to see the house in such disrepair, though it looked to be in dire need of some TLC even when the station was still on the air. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 20 10:03:27 2005 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:03:27 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down References: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20051220073659.01b07188@pop3.grolen.com> Message-ID: <000b01c60576$8cf23080$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Supposedly, the house is going to be in even worse disrepair real soon--if it isn't already. There were stories here six months or so ago that the Nashua Fire Dept planned to torch it as part of a training exercise for firefighters. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down > Scott Fybush wrote: > > From Bruce Conti in Nashua, via the ABDX mailing list: > > > >>The three-tower directional array of 1590 WSMN was torn down today, leaving > >>an empty space in the Nashua skyline at Routes 3 and 111. I missed all the > >>action, as the last of the heavy equipment was seen being carted away > >>while on my > >>commute home from work. What remains of the old WSMN is the once stately and > >>now abandoned house on the hill that served as the studios and offices. > >>Meanwhile 1590 WSMN is diplexed with the 900 WSNH tower, a weak signal > >>relaying > >>ESPN from WSNH, in what appears to be a slow and painful death, awaiting > >>transplant to a new location that may never be found. > > > Not sure what effect it has on Nashua's "skyline"...those towers barely > cleared the trees anyway. > > It is a shame to see the house in such disrepair, though it looked to be in > dire need of some TLC even when the station was still on the air. > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Dec 20 16:40:49 2005 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:40:49 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down References: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com><6.0.3.0.0.20051220073659.01b07188@pop3.grolen.com> <000b01c60576$8cf23080$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001201c605ae$0dd418d0$69081f42@Mark> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Supposedly, the house is going to be in even worse disrepair real soon--if > it isn't already. There were stories here six months or so ago that the > Nashua Fire Dept planned to torch it as part of a training exercise for > firefighters. I believe they've alread had some search & rescue training exercises inside the WSMN house. Not sure if a controlled burn will take place or if the house will just be bulldozed when it's time to take it down. Speaking of the WSMN site, when the towers came down I wonder if what's left of the ground system went with them. Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 20 19:18:59 2005 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:18:59 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1590 WSMN Towers Down References: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219171549.03281978@fybush.com><6.0.3.0.0.20051220073659.01b07188@pop3.grolen.com><000b01c60576$8cf23080$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <001201c605ae$0dd418d0$69081f42@Mark> Message-ID: <003701c605c4$2383d8d0$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> I'm sure Scott has video of the towers if anyone misses them. ;-) -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 21 03:18:27 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:18:27 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512210018l7d4577b3qf3fddbbf727743c0@mail.gmail.com> WTKK Listener club email (it's prob. on their website, too) indicates that Hannity will stay on WTKK after all, despite the waves caused by Severin's re-appearance. The lineup will be the same on Jan 3 as now from 5:30 am to 7 pm, but the changes from then on are: Severin 7 to 10 pm, Laura Ingraham (just 2 hours) 10 pm-midnight, and Hannity (just 2 hours) from midnight to 2 am. Merely a nine hour delay on later. John and Jeff follow. From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 21 12:11:59 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0512210018l7d4577b3qf3fddbbf727743c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0512210018l7d4577b3qf3fddbbf727743c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 3:18 AM -0500 12/21/05, Bob Nelson wrote: >Severin 7 to 10 pm, Laura Ingraham (just 2 hours) 10 pm-midnight, and Hannity >(just 2 hours) from midnight to 2 am. Merely a nine hour delay on >later. John and Jeff >follow. It seems to me they are doing this, not because they really want Hannity on their air, but to keep Hannity from being on anyone else's air in the Boston market. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From hmglaz@webtv.net Thu Dec 22 10:00:07 2005 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Hmglaz) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:00:07 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs Message-ID: <11139-43AABF77-844@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> James M. Sloan wrote: > The winner veered sharply coming out > of the gate and > slammed into #5 which in turn caused > #4 Skinamarink to steady. Well #4 > claimed > foul against the winner and although it > missed the place by 4 Lengths, the Stews > DQed the romping winner, placing it > 4th, out of the Trifecta. "Larry Loonin's > Complaint" is what I've dubbed this > chart. I was DQ'd into the exacta in this race, so maybe I'm not exactly objective, but this was a DQ in any jurisdiction. The six took a sharp left out of the gate and whacked the 5 into the 4's path. Case closed. If the 4 had gone down, or finished last, then the 6 would have been placed last. Why would it make sense to do otherwise? I don't know if you noticed, but the second at Laurel had the same outcome -- winner DQ'd and placed fourth. This time, the unlucky horse was pulled out for room at the eighth pole only to find another horse already there. A nice equine hip check took care of that, but the stews did the right thing and didn't let it stand. Sometimes the rules make sense and are enforced correctly, unbelievable as it may seem. Howard in CT From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 22 12:09:59 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:09:59 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) In-Reply-To: References: <1fbbbced0512210018l7d4577b3qf3fddbbf727743c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512220909i5003f743rf515a5c4546513e2@mail.gmail.com> On 12/21/05, Larry Weil wrote: > It seems to me they are doing this, not because they really want > Hannity on their air, but to keep Hannity from being on anyone else's > air in the Boston market. True. if they let him go, WRKO could pick him up and put him on at 7 pm (instead of Taste of Boston) right opposite Severin! From billo@shoreham.net Thu Dec 22 12:19:51 2005 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:19:51 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0512220909i5003f743rf515a5c4546513e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0512210018l7d4577b3qf3fddbbf727743c0@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0512220909i5003f743rf515a5c4546513e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1135271991.43aae0375d9b2@webmail.shoreham.net> Quoting Bob Nelson : > True. if they let him go, WRKO could pick him up and put him on at 7 > pm (instead of > Taste of Boston) right opposite Severin! WVMT (620 Burlington) is bouncing Hannity and bringing Carr back (as reported by Scott) and now he's going to the graveyard in Boston. Is this indicative of nationoal trending with this show? Bill O'Neill From hmglaz@webtv.net Thu Dec 22 12:47:15 2005 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Hmglaz) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:47:15 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs...Oops In-Reply-To: boston-radio-interest-request@rolinin.BostonRadio.org's message of Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: <698-43AAE6A3-1705@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> Wrong list. I hate when that happens. Howard From billo@shoreham.net Thu Dec 22 13:04:24 2005 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:04:24 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs Message-ID: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> Hmglaz wrote: >Sometimes the rules make sense and are enforced correctly, unbelievable >as it may seem. > >Howard in CT > Don't worry Howard, radio is a horse race as well. However, the rules in radio rarely make sense. ;-) - BillO' From Rogerkola@aol.com Thu Dec 22 14:51:01 2005 From: Rogerkola@aol.com (Rogerkola) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:51:01 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs References: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> Message-ID: <001d01c60731$50557e90$6823a8c0@Sales2> And with IBOC you legally get to bump the guy in the next lane, during day races anyway... Roger WESX - 1230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of DQs > Hmglaz wrote: > >>Sometimes the rules make sense and are enforced correctly, unbelievable >>as it may seem. >> >>Howard in CT >> > > Don't worry Howard, radio is a horse race as well. However, the rules in > radio > rarely make sense. ;-) > > - BillO' > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 22 16:54:02 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:02 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) Message-ID: <200512221654.AA1734869312@mail.ttlc.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bob Nelson Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:09:59 -0500 >On 12/21/05, Larry Weil wrote: > >> It seems to me they are doing this, not because they really want >> Hannity on their air, but to keep Hannity from being on anyone else's >> air in the Boston market. > >True. if they let him go, WRKO could pick him up and put him on at 7 >pm (instead of >Taste of Boston) right opposite Severin! > > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 22 17:01:07 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:01:07 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) Message-ID: <200512221701.AA369098982@mail.ttlc.net> On 12/21/05, Larry Weil wrote: > It seems to me they are doing this, not because they really want > Hannity on their air, but to keep Hannity from being on anyone else's > air in the Boston market. Don't know how much clout syndicators and their programs' hosts have, but it would seem that contracts and broadcast fees should be structured such that it would be financially disadvantageous to a radio station to run a program outside of a prime window e.g. at 1:00 in the morning for a show that normally airs during the day or evening. I could see raising the fee or not allowing total market exclusivity. Or are syndies so desperate for numbers (of stations) that they don't care? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 22 16:50:02 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:50:02 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs Message-ID: <200512221650.AA2392326770@mail.ttlc.net> "Bill O'Neill" wrote: >Don't worry Howard, radio is a horse race as well. However, the >rules in radio rarely make sense. And if they do, then they aren't enforced properly. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 22 18:05:38 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:05:38 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) In-Reply-To: <200512221701.AA369098982@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512221701.AA369098982@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051222180338.0228fe60@mail.mac.com> At 05:01 PM 12/22/2005, rogerkirk wrote: >Or are syndies so desperate for numbers (of stations) that they don't care? My guess (emphasis on "guess") is that the syndicators sell commercials based largely on the number of stations and by claiming "nationwide coverage". Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Dec 22 21:29:17 2005 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:29:17 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs References: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> Message-ID: <001501c60768$ac5606b0$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> I helped broadcast harness racing from the Topsham Fair during two summers many years ago on WKXA. I did not call the races, but I hosted the show and filled time heading up to the races. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From rogerkola@aol.com Thu Dec 22 23:40:23 2005 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:40:23 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs References: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> <001501c60768$ac5606b0$4ded05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000a01c6077a$fd0055e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I believe we were the last in a long line of stations to broadcast the races live from Suffolk Downs...and then they invented Cable TV! Roger WESX 1230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" To: "Bill O'Neill" ; Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of DQs > I helped broadcast harness racing from the Topsham Fair during two summers > many years ago on WKXA. I did not call the races, but I hosted the show and > filled time heading up to the races. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Dec 22 13:53:06 2005 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:53:06 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs In-Reply-To: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> Message-ID: <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Sad thing is, I understood the DQ thing more than the DX thing. ;-) Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to All! - - Chuck Igo -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:04 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Speaking of DQs Hmglaz wrote: >Sometimes the rules make sense and are enforced correctly, unbelievable >as it may seem. > >Howard in CT > Don't worry Howard, radio is a horse race as well. However, the rules in radio rarely make sense. ;-) - BillO' From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 23 05:38:17 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Speaking of DQs In-Reply-To: <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> References: <1135274664.43aaeaa8442a2@webmail.shoreham.net> <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <57412.66.195.169.98.1135334297.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com> > Sad thing is, I understood the DQ thing more than the DX thing. ;-) And I saw DQ and immediately began thinking of ice cream! Happy holidays to all... -s, sloggin' through morning drive at WXXI 1370 in Rochester (listen live at wxxi.org, today and Monday, too!) From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Dec 23 11:09:56 2005 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:09:56 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs In-Reply-To: <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> References: <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: At 1:53 PM -0500 12/22/05, Chuck Igo wrote: >Sad thing is, I understood the DQ thing more than the DX thing. ;-) I'll take a Blizzard to go. :-) -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From miscon@miscon.net Fri Dec 23 11:54:37 2005 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:54:37 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) Message-ID: <200512231154.AA65995256@miscon.net> Bob Nelson: >WTKK Listener club email (it's prob. on their website, too) indicates >that Hannity will stay on WTKK after all, despite the waves caused by >Severin's re-appearance. Groucho: "That's in every contract, that's what you call a Hannity clause." Chico: "You can't a fool a me there ain't no Hannity clause" Mike (I can't believe none of you did this! Was it *too* obvious?) From dwcole@comcast.net Fri Dec 23 13:29:27 2005 From: dwcole@comcast.net (dwc) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:27 -0500 Subject: Speaking of DQs References: <000101c60728$f2a195c0$0300a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <00ef01c607ee$cf0e2760$daf29318@HP310n> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Chuck Igo" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" ; Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Speaking of DQs > At 1:53 PM -0500 12/22/05, Chuck Igo wrote: > >>Sad thing is, I understood the DQ thing more than the DX thing. ;-) > > I'll take a Blizzard to go. :-) Please don't say the word 'blizzard' this time of year in New England. However, an extra thick blueberry shake would be good about now. :) And a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.... Dan From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 24 10:26:25 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:26:25 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) Message-ID: <20051224152625.36DB8C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mission Control" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, "Bob Nelson" , "Bob Nelson" > >Subject: Re: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:54:37 -0500 > > > Bob Nelson: > > WTKK Listener club email (it's prob. on their website, too) indicates > > that Hannity will stay on WTKK after all, despite the waves caused by > > Severin's re-appearance. > > Groucho: "That's in every contract, that's what you call a Hannity clause." > > Chico: "You can't a fool a me there ain't no Hannity clause" > > Mike > (I can't believe none of you did this! Was it *too* obvious?) This joke is a staple of the Stephanie Miller Show. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 24 10:39:23 2005 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:39:23 -0500 Subject: "radio rewinds" (talk reruns) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0512240739s456cc9e2n47e1b329f9a3b988@mail.gmail.com> Imagine my surprise this morning (Sat., Christmas Eve) about 10:30 am to hear part of yesterday's Howie Carr show on WRKO (talking about the Medway PC/Christmas controversy). Sounds like we may be hearing some "reruns", or "radio rewinds" as WTKK calls them, the next couple days. Well, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day; tough to get talk hosts in. WTKK has found itself for several years airing "radio rewinds" of Severin (yes, he's back), Ingraham, Hannity, Barnicle, etc., on weekends. Rather than a local host doing a specialty show, or some kind of syndie show, they give listeners an opportunity to catch a host they may have missed during the week. (And it's cost effective!). As it turns out, I missed a lot of Howie's show yesterday --busy, or on the phone (may have had it on in the background but was busy so I didn't pay as much attention). So this is good, I guess. Supposed to be Feinburg on right now, then Whitley at 11...but at least for now it's a "radio rewind". National hosts sometimes air their own "radio rewinds" during periods like this, or they have guest hosts on. "You're listening to a rebroadcast of the Howie Carr Show. No phone calls please." From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 24 11:28:19 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:28:19 -0500 Subject: Two BRIGgers Appear In Romenesko Website Message-ID: <20051224162819.8389DC6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Many of you visit http://www.fybush.com every day, sometimes several times a day. You may know about the 'Romenesko' link to a website about journalism. Right now it contains TWO (click, click) entries by frequent posters to the Boston Radio Interest Group. Just go to fybush.com, go to LINKS, and then click on 'Romenesko" (not to be confused with the nutty guy who hawks guides to government benefits). Scroll down to the "LETTERS" box on the far left of the screen and then proceed. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From nostaticatall@comcast.net Wed Dec 28 09:15:33 2005 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:15:33 -0500 Subject: new WTKK lineup (they keep Hannity) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051222180338.0228fe60@mail.mac.com> References: <200512221701.AA369098982@mail.ttlc.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051222180338.0228fe60@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <2b9d2d00e6137810f88515b9a131be55@comcast.net> As long as the station airs the national spots within the show during the times contracted by the syndicator, most of the time they don't care when the program actually runs. WTKK may have a contract to run Hannity's national spots anytime from 7pm-12 midnight. The station could be pre-running the spots, and then airing the programming outside of that window. Major market stations get a lot more flexibility with show/spot placement, since loss of a major market can affect the syndicators rate card for that program. Some shows, such as Rush Limbaugh, demand live clearance in their contracts. However, for the second tier talkers like Hannity, Savage and the like, as long as the spots run, everyone's happy. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 05:01 PM 12/22/2005, rogerkirk wrote: > >> Or are syndies so desperate for numbers (of stations) that they don't >> care? > > My guess (emphasis on "guess") is that the syndicators sell > commercials based largely on the number of stations and by claiming > "nationwide coverage". From rgallison@yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 14:46:44 2005 From: rgallison@yahoo.com (Richard Gallison) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bandscanning @ Wally World Palmyra Maine Message-ID: <20051224194644.7768.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> Was doing an FM bandscan in Palmyra Maine. Heard WMDR 88.9 broadcasting religious content. There is a WMDR AM licensed Augusta Maine. No record of FM station in the FCC database. Also, 88.1 stereo pirate station. Station ID mentioned uncut comedy from Red Dog Broadcasting. They were playing uncut Eddie Murphy with plenty of expletive non deletive! Also playing rock music however they had problems and audio was crapping out. Both these stations heard @ approx 4:00 pm on 12/23/2005. Seasons Greetings to all. 73 Richard Gallison __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 28 17:25:46 2005 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:25:46 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe Regional Article On ESPN Radio Message-ID: <20051228222546.8CDF786B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> I didn't buy a Boston Sunday Globe on the 25th, so I just now got around to reading a public library's copy. The Northwest regional insert contained a story about ESPN Radio 890/1400/1400. If anyone's interested its at: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/12/25/sports_stations_new_leader_plays_with_home_advantage/ -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 14:13:56 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:13:56 -0500 Subject: Christmas In July Message-ID: <200512291413.AA213450908@mail.ttlc.net> Although July may be a slight stretch, it would appear that 96.7 The Wave hasn't heard that Christmas is over and they're still All Holiday Wall-To-Walliday. C'mon guys even Bing Crosby/David Bowie gets a little stale on 12/29. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 14:21:52 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:21:52 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format Message-ID: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> While shopping in a Dollar-Tree store 2 weeks ago, I was surprised and refreshed to hear something new - The "Dollar Tree Network" not playing Christmas Music, but "Unsafe Oldies." While shopping there, I heard: Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix Baby Come Back - Equals Good Thing - Paul Revere & The Raiders These Eyes - Guess Who (actually safe) Mellow Yellow - Donovan Since there are Dollar Tree Stores all over the US (well, atleast Raymond New Hampshire & Albany Orgeon) is it economically feasible to have a satellite channel just for BG music at a dollar store? Or is it possible that somebody is syndicating Oldies via Satellite with a PC on site that mixes in local spots (Dollar Tree) with the dry network feed? From paulcurrier@adelphia.net Thu Dec 29 15:03:10 2005 From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:03:10 -0500 Subject: Christmas In July References: <200512291413.AA213450908@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000b01c60cb2$e4e56a30$98803418@DG07P241> Yeah, especially when they start just a bit AFTER July. Nightowl Sandwich CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "rogerkirk" To: "BRI" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: Christmas In July > Although July may be a slight stretch, it would appear that 96.7 The Wave hasn't heard that Christmas is over and they're still All Holiday Wall-To-Walliday. C'mon guys even Bing Crosby/David Bowie gets a little stale on 12/29. > > > From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu Dec 29 15:27:30 2005 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:27:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Oldies Format In-Reply-To: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <10336.12.37.144.130.1135888050.squirrel@12.37.144.130> On Thu, December 29, 2005 14:21, rogerkirk said: > While shopping in a Dollar-Tree store 2 weeks ago, I was surprised and > refreshed to hear something new - The "Dollar Tree Network" not playing > Christmas Music, but "Unsafe Oldies." While shopping there, I heard: What are "unsafe oldies"? And it could be just as easy as a PC running a free or bootlegged music automation program such as SAM or Raduga with MP3s, and playing the stuff jukebox style. Some companies used to get tapes or CDs from in-store music services that had the client store's spots mixed in with the music. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY, USA From xtrovato@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 15:53:53 2005 From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (R Trovato) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:53:53 -0500 Subject: Christmas In July References: <200512291413.AA213450908@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <0d1f01c60cb9$fc668ca0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> From: "rogerkirk" > Although July may be a slight stretch, it would appear that 96.7 The Wave hasn't heard that Christmas is over and they're still All > Holiday Wall-To-Walliday. C'mon guys even Bing Crosby/David Bowie gets a little stale on 12/29. Well, one way to look at it is that the '12 Days of Christmas' begin on Christmas Day, right?...and end on Epiphany, when the Three Wise Men show up on the scene. (....or does it smell like a format change coming after the 1st of the year?) From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 29 16:16:59 2005 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:16:59 -0500 Subject: Christmas In July References: <200512291413.AA213450908@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004a01c60cbd$36746db0$69081f42@Mark> Roger Kirk wrote: > Although July may be a slight stretch, it would appear that >96.7 The Wave > hasn't heard that Christmas is over and >they're still All Holiday > Wall-To-Walliday. C'mon guys even >Bing Crosby/David Bowie gets a little > stale on 12/29. Listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line yesterday (12/28), I heard a spot for a local business that starts with "the following sounds of the season brought to you by" the business, then we hear 30 seconds of "Winter Wonderland" by Kenny G. then a "season's greetings" closing tag to the spot. While speaking of WLNG, are they the only radio station in the country to mix in New Years themed songs in rotation? I heard 3 such songs in about 90 minutes yesterday, one by the Skyliners, "It's Just Another New Years Eve" by Barry Manilow, and I can't recall the third one, but it was a doo-wop sounding song. Mark Watson From hykker@grolen.com Thu Dec 29 16:57:56 2005 From: hykker@grolen.com (hykker@grolen.com) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:57:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Oldies Format In-Reply-To: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <27959.63.115.16.143.1135893476.squirrel@63.115.16.143> > While shopping in a Dollar-Tree store 2 weeks ago, I was surprised and > refreshed to hear something new - The "Dollar Tree Network" not playing > Christmas Music, but "Unsafe Oldies." ' (unsafe playlist deleted) > Since there are Dollar Tree Stores all over the US (well, atleast Raymond > New Hampshire & Albany Orgeon) is it economically feasible to have a > satellite channel just for BG music at a dollar store? Or is it possible > that somebody is syndicating Oldies via Satellite with a PC on site that > mixes in local spots (Dollar Tree) with the dry network feed? > > I've never been in a Dollar Tree store, but Hannaford supermarkets have their own "network" of sorts that's distributed to all their stores. They have a surprisingly deep 50s/60s oldies mix in the morning, mid-days is 70s and afternoon/evenings it's a fairly hip AC mix. Generic Hannaford-specific messages are interspersed at various intervals (not to be confused with individual store messages which over-ride the music/"network" messages). When it switches from one era to another it's abrupt, and often in mid-song so it's likely they're using several music channels (Muzak?). The switching is not done in the stores. Could be Dollar Tree is doing something similar. (since the chain is headquartered in Portland, Me this is sort of on topic) From chrisf01864@lycos.com Thu Dec 29 17:52:04 2005 From: chrisf01864@lycos.com (christopher fuccione) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:52:04 -0800 Subject: What is a bandscan? Message-ID: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> What is a bandscan? Here is where I got the qoute from. I have an idea what it is but I might be wrong. Thanks Chris Fuccione > Was doing an FM bandscan in Palmyra Maine. Heard WMDR > 88.9 broadcasting religious content. There is a WMDR > AM licensed Augusta Maine. No record of FM station in > the FCC database. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From francini@mac.com Thu Dec 29 18:22:07 2005 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:22:07 -0500 Subject: What is a bandscan? In-Reply-To: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <95CA8A27-CBDD-4445-BC93-2C8FC528E7B2@mac.com> I'm sure there's a more or less official meaning, but I'd interpret it as going to the place in question and then slowly scanning through the FM dial from end to end, possibly with muting and AFC turned off (if the tuner allows it) just to see what's on the dial. And since he found something that 'shouldn't be there', he thought it was reasonable to mention it on the list. John On 29 Dec 2005, at 17:52, christopher fuccione wrote: > What is a bandscan? Here is where I got the qoute from. I have an > idea what it is but I might be wrong. > > Thanks > Chris Fuccione > > > >> Was doing an FM bandscan in Palmyra Maine. Heard WMDR >> 88.9 broadcasting religious content. There is a WMDR >> AM licensed Augusta Maine. No record of FM station in >> the FCC database. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Dec 29 18:47:02 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:47:02 -0500 Subject: What is a bandscan? In-Reply-To: <95CA8A27-CBDD-4445-BC93-2C8FC528E7B2@mac.com> References: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <95CA8A27-CBDD-4445-BC93-2C8FC528E7B2@mac.com> Message-ID: <17332.30070.797343.684435@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> And now, a word from our sponsor.... Just a reminder, folks -- and not to pick on John -- but since I just went through this to Christopher I wanted to reiterate a point of netiquette. < said: [...] > On 29 Dec 2005, at 17:52, christopher fuccione wrote: >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos >> Yellow Pages >> >> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ >> default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >> >> Please trim your quotations. Quoting an advertisement appended by an ISP to their customer's mail is particularly pointless. I would highly recommend checking out Dan's Mail Format Site, , which has a great deal of information on the subject of quoting style as well as lots of other things that go into email messages. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 29 19:07:05 2005 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:07:05 -0500 Subject: What is a bandscan? In-Reply-To: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051229225204.632CF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229190558.03cbaa08@fybush.com> > > Was doing an FM bandscan in Palmyra Maine. Heard WMDR > > 88.9 broadcasting religious content. There is a WMDR > > AM licensed Augusta Maine. No record of FM station in > > the FCC database. WMDR-FM 88.9 Oakland ME. It's in the database...signed on a couple of months ago. s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 22:22:46 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:22:46 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format Message-ID: <200512292222.AA59179274@mail.ttlc.net> Maureen Carney wrote: >I have heard both country and R&B feeds in the Ashland, MA and >Milford, MA stores. Country would have made more sense in Raymond NH. A lot more sense. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 22:41:51 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:41:51 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format Message-ID: <200512292241.AA647168060@mail.ttlc.net> "Stephanie Weil" queried: >What are "unsafe oldies"? It's a catch-all term to describe songs that for many reasons don't test well. The presumption is that playing that song is "unsafe" and listeners will tune out in droves. Contrast with "safe" oldies e.g. "Young Girl" (or any song, for that matter) by Gary Puckett or "Brandy" by the Looking Glass - songs that have stood the test of time, are played to death and yet, somehow never seem to burn out. Personally, I detest Gary Puckett's music - I find it sexist, patronizing, chauvanistic and quite frankly, representative of an embarassing attitude in the 60's culture. On the other hand, based on demos and requests, it would appear that women just can't get enough of the Union Gap's handsome lead singer. Perhaps a crush on him years ago? As the number of "unsafe oldies" grows year after year, the core playlist for Oldies Stations becomes smaller and smaller. The word "Oldies" itself is now considered unsafe and most stations have dropped the word from their on-air promos and jingles. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Dec 29 22:47:59 2005 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:47:59 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format In-Reply-To: <27959.63.115.16.143.1135893476.squirrel@63.115.16.143> References: <200512291421.AA1498087518@mail.ttlc.net> <27959.63.115.16.143.1135893476.squirrel@63.115.16.143> Message-ID: <43B4ADEF.6010202@cssinc.com> hykker@grolen.com wrote: >>While shopping in a Dollar-Tree store 2 weeks ago, I was surprised and >>refreshed to hear something new - The "Dollar Tree Network" not playing >>Christmas Music, but "Unsafe Oldies." ' >> >> >I've never been in a Dollar Tree store, but Hannaford supermarkets have >their own "network" of sorts that's distributed to all their stores. They >have a surprisingly deep 50s/60s oldies mix in the morning, mid-days is >70s and afternoon/evenings it's a fairly hip AC mix. G > Several years ago we looked at a marketing a background music system from a company that claimed to be an off-shoot of some radio automation company (they never identified which one). They were leasing a preloaded Pentium class computer with a customer tweaked playlist of music. You would program "formats" for each daypart, much as described above. The machine would call in every other day on its modem (pre broadband days) and upload new music, delete old songs from the rotation and send playlist reports for ASCAP/BMI licensing. Customers would subscribe to a format, such as AC or dinner jazz and could request specific titles as well as being "force fed" adds. The system also would program in a "spot load" of client specific elements. The company tweaked the product several times during our negotiations and struck me as talking out of both sides of their mouths. We elected not to handle the product. The company was "American Music Environments" and they're still in business: http://www.amemusic.com/ -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 22:48:20 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:48:20 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format Message-ID: <200512292248.AA3601661982@mail.ttlc.net> hykker@grolen.com noted: >I've never been in a Dollar Tree store, but Hannaford supermarkets >have their own "network" of sorts that's distributed to all their >stores. They have a surprisingly deep 50s/60s oldies mix in the >morning, mid-days is 70s and afternoon/evenings it's a fairly hip AC >mix. Generic Hannaford-specific messages are interspersed at various >intervals (not to be confused with individual store messages which >over-ride the music/"network" messages). When it switches from one >era to another it's abrupt, and often in mid-song so it's likely >they're using several music channels (Muzak?). The switching is not >done in the stores. Could be Dollar Tree is doing something similar. >(since the chain is headquartered in Portland, Me this is sort of on >topic) Dollar Tree specifically mentions "The Dollar Tree Network", but does not announce song names or artists - just "glad you're enjoying the music" I haven't spent enough time there to detect a change in musical styles between dayparts. I guess a store could take music from any number of syndicated offerings that could appeal to their demo's. They just would be able to clear spots. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 29 23:10:11 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:10:11 -0500 Subject: Oldies Format Message-ID: <200512292310.AA3109879960@mail.ttlc.net> Brian Vita replied: >Several years ago we looked at a marketing a background music system >from a company that claimed to be an off-shoot of some radio >automation company (they never identified which one). [snipped] >The company tweaked the product several times during our negotiations >and struck me as talking out of both sides of their mouths. We >elected not to handle the product. The company was "American Music >Environments" and they're still in business: >http://www.amemusic.com/ This could put us "on-topic" for radio: AME is a subsidiary of RPM (Radio Program Management) in Michigan. RPM distributes a weekly, monthly and bi-monthly series of music CDs called Top Hits U.S.A. to radio stations and Mobile DJ's in the U.S. The songs have built-in 20KHz "cue tones" and they offer CD player Ultrasonic Cue Cards - PC boards that connect to a computer or automation system. Their trademark is "Ultrasoni-Q." RPM also offers music library services (CD or pre-loaded hard drives) to Radio Stations only. Their president Tom Krikorian appears to be a voice-over guy and I think they offer (or used to offer) that service, too - although, I couldn't find it on their web site. He voices their phone answering machine and his style is very distinctive. Call (800) 521- 2537 (after hours) to sample his dulcet tones and authoritative delivery. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Dec 30 18:50:44 2005 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:50:44 -0500 Subject: TV Ad For Adam Carolla Show Message-ID: <200512301850.AA1338245236@mail.ttlc.net> I just finished watching the first TV spot for Adam Carolla - 1/2 Stern replacement. Unlike CompUSA, I guess I just don't "get it." Sorry. Could somebody (anybody?) please explain it to me? http://radio.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.radioearth.com/VideoCarollaTVSPot.html From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Dec 30 18:53:19 2005 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:53:19 -0500 Subject: TV Ad For Adam Carolla Show In-Reply-To: <200512301850.AA1338245236@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512301850.AA1338245236@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <17333.51311.140350.574413@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I just finished watching the first TV spot for Adam Carolla - 1/2 > Stern replacement. Unlike CompUSA, I guess I just don't "get it." > Sorry. Could somebody (anybody?) please explain it to me? Speaking of Stern replacements, I noticed before the holiday that WBCN had started a bus-card campaign for Mr. Roth. -GAWollman From hmglaz@webtv.net Sat Dec 31 01:40:34 2005 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:40:34 -0500 Subject: Oldies format In-Reply-To: boston-radio-interest-request@rolinin.BostonRadio.org's message of Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: <15792-43B627E2-3289@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net> "Good Thing" and "Mellow Yellow" have been on WDRC-FM's "safe" list for years. I'd imagine they still get an occasional spin amid the '80s clutter that's now on the Big Hits 102.9 playlist, but don't ask me. I've heard one too many Mister Mister-to-Dave Clark Five segues over the past couple of months and am strictly an XM man for my oldies now. Here in Connecticut, I recall the local Shop Rite supermarket (N.J.-based chain) playing the occasional "oh, wow" oldie over its sound system a few years back, but recently it's switched to a blander, more contemporary mix. Hope I'm not posting this to the horse racing list ... Howard From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Dec 31 10:10:34 2005 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:10:34 -0500 Subject: TV Ad For Adam Carolla Show In-Reply-To: <200512301850.AA1338245236@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200512301850.AA1338245236@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <43B69F6A.6040208@cssinc.com> rogerkirk wrote: >I just finished watching the first TV spot for Adam Carolla - 1/2 Stern replacement. Unlike CompUSA, I guess I just don't "get it." Sorry. > >Could somebody (anybody?) please explain it to me? > >http://radio.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.radioearth.com/VideoCarollaTVSPot.html > > If that ad is the best that they can do, they should give up now. I never found Adam particularly amusing when he was on the "Man Show". This ad is even less so. Then again, he's playing to Stern's audience... -- Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA Sales: (800)231-8849 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 www.cssinc.com