From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov  1 01:00:50 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Nov  1 01:01:50 2004
Subject: Al Franken Cambridge Show NOT Open To The Public
In-Reply-To: <048901c4bf1c$b4279920$1404fea9@xyz>
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On 31 Oct 2004 at 3:38, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> >    ...and, unlike Michael Moore, he is scrupulous about 
> > getting his facts straight.
> 
> 
> Wow!  And this from a liberal!  Never thought I'd see the day!
> 
> Admitting that Michael Moore *embellishes* his facts!
> 
> Amazing...!  ;-)

I said something about that a couple of months ago, when the subject first came up on this 
forum.

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From miscon@miscon.net  Mon Nov  1 09:44:32 2004
From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control)
Date: Mon Nov  1 09:44:42 2004
Subject: Call for rare / unusual Christmas tracks
Message-ID: <200411010944.AA39387458@miscon.net>

Sorry, as I don't mean to rush the season, but if I don't get started on this now...

I'm collecting music (spoken word too) for this year's Christmas compilation (a little holiday-themed CD I give to friends). I know that this is not an unusual occurance - especially among radio-types - so that's why I'm hitting up this list; you folks have some remarkable memories, and quite a bit of radio experience. Plus, you are very active radio LISTENERS!

Being one of those "milestone" years (15!), I'm looking for ultra rare or super-unusual tracks; I already have The Orioles 45 "What Are You Doing New Year's Eve," Rocki Lane and the Gross Group's "Happy Hair Hippy Harry Claus," a never released song from Ken Curtis (you might remember him as Festus in Gunsmoke) called "Christmas," and a very scratchy rendetion of "Why Don't You Go Home For Christmas" by Jim Backus (I think there's a Sherm Feller story in that, and I'm researching it now). Oh, and the Spotnicks "Winterland" lp just arrived on Saturday!

So, you've got a bit of a feel for it right there. If you've got something that you'd be willing to share towards this year's endevor, I'd be much obliged to receive it. Or maybe you know of someone who does something similar, and you can put us in touch. Any help would be most welcome!

Thanks!

Mike

Michael G. Wilkins
From billo@shoreham.net  Mon Nov  1 16:34:53 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill..)
Date: Mon Nov  1 16:35:01 2004
Subject: Call for rare / unusual Christmas tracks
In-Reply-To: <200411010944.AA39387458@miscon.net>
References: <200411010944.AA39387458@miscon.net>
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Mike Wilkins wrote:

>Sorry, as I don't mean to rush the season, but if I don't get started on this now...
>
>I'm collecting music (spoken word too) for this year's Christmas compilation <snip> Any help would be most welcome!
>
>  
>
On behalf of Yorgi Yorgessons everywhere, ataboy!  I assume you've 
checked in with Wayne Braverman and his 30 years of collections.

Bill O'Neill
OhOh (dyslexic Santa)

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Mon Nov  1 17:48:04 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon Nov  1 17:48:14 2004
Subject: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
Message-ID: <20041101224804.181FE3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Not assured of an entree to the Air America Radio remote in 
Cambridge, Mass, I drove up to the Pine Tree state to observe
the remote today in the Port City.  Attendance was better 
than I expected for a weeday afternoon. I arrived about 45 minutes
before showtime, expecting I could saunter in right away.  Instead
there was a line the length of Myrtle Street and around the corner to
the next intersection.  Ultimately, they filled most of
the Orchestra seats, the seats  ringing that section and most of 
the first balcony.  The crowd was VERY partisan, and hooped and
hollered at the slightest provocation.  This was my first extended
exposure to Franken's show;  when I travelled to western Massachusetts
for Columbus Day weekend, WHMP was carrying O'Reilly.  The show
is slower-paced than let's say Rush or even Ed Schultz...indeed
at one point, Franken referred to his own show as the Liberal
Home Companion (he and Garrison Keillor are both Minnesotans).
Apparently when he's on-the-road, calls are not taken, but he 
has people from the area (the Governor and a campaign worker 
who was also his sister-in-law) as guests.  I left a little 
before the end to hear how it sounded on the air because the
sound into the auditorium was variable depending on where Al
sat.  A sidebar:  WLVP is careless about breaking away from
WLIB, there was a WLIB station ID, and later a spot for a 
man running for sheriff in Bergen County.  There's no
Bergen County in Maine, so I assume it was NJ.  People in line
did discuss the "future" of Air America in Maine after the
election.  The question is, would the ability of the
outlet to stir a couple of thousand people to attend a 
show of this nature translate into ratings and ad time?
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From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov  2 01:38:54 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Nov  2 01:40:26 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
Message-ID: <4186E52E.20871.7AD154@localhost>

This morning on the Stephanie Miller Show, she mentioned welcoming a new affiliate in 
Springfield, Massachusetts.  Anyone have any idea what station this might be?

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov  2 03:15:13 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov  2 03:15:22 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
Message-ID: <20041102081513.7735E3ABB@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>This morning on the Stephanie Miller Show, she mentioned welcoming a new affiliate in Springfield, Massachusetts.  Anyone have any idea what station this might be

Most likely the trio of WHMP 1400 Northampton/ WHNP 1600 East
Longmeadow, and WHMQ 1240 Greenfield, which are Air America. No mention of her on the website yet. Only other
possibility would be WHYN 560, but I get the feeling it's the
three stations I mentioned.

http://www.whmp.com

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov  2 04:01:29 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov  2 04:01:38 2004
Subject: Worcester's "Fox" hits "The Pike"
Message-ID: <20041102090129.ACAE339E1@mprdmxin.myway.com>


According to a post on radio-info.com, Worcester's WWFX (100.1),
a "new and classic rock" station known as "the Fox", is now doing
classic rock only, under a new nickname: "FM 100 The Pike".




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From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov  2 09:15:30 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov  2 09:15:42 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
Message-ID: <20041102141530.6C2CCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@myway.com>
>To: lawyer@attorneyross.com, boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
>Subject: RE: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
>Date: Tue,  2 Nov 2004 03:15:13 -0500 (EST)

> 
> 
> >>This morning on the Stephanie Miller Show, she mentioned welcoming a new affiliate in Springfield, Massachusetts.  Anyone have any idea what station this might be
> 
> Most likely the trio of WHMP 1400 Northampton/ WHNP 1600 East
> Longmeadow, and WHMQ 1240 Greenfield, which are Air America. No mention of her on the website yet. Only other
> possibility would be WHYN 560, but I get the feeling it's the
> three stations I mentioned.
> 
I listened to her show during the first leg of my trip to
Maine yesterday, and the station she mentioned was WMAS-1450.
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From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Tue Nov  2 09:38:28 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Tue Nov  2 09:40:16 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
Message-ID: <41879BE4.2BD29C4F@Programmer.Net>

Our one and only Laurence Glavin wrote,

> A sidebar:  WLVP is careless about breaking away from
> WLIB, there was a WLIB station ID, and later a spot for a 
> man running for sheriff in Bergen County.  There's no
> Bergen County in Maine, so I assume it was NJ. 

Is WLVP "careless about breaking away" or is AA careless with what
gets birdfed to the affiliates?  P=|

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov  2 10:54:07 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov  2 10:54:18 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
Message-ID: <20041102155407.D693712D43@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I listened to her show during the first leg of my trip to Maine yesterday, and the station she mentioned was WMAS-1450

hmm, strange--I know they were (or are) standards (and 100000watts.com still lists them as being so) but thought I'd heard that they were changing format, maybe to ethnic. And the WMAS site (via link on WMAS-FM site) says that 1450 is Music Of Your Life, with George Murphy mornings, Peter "Hollywood Squares" Marshall mid-mornings, Wink Martindale at noon, etc.

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From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Nov  2 12:41:52 2004
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue Nov  2 12:27:02 2004
Subject: Worcester's "Fox" hits "The Pike"
In-Reply-To: <20041102090129.ACAE339E1@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <BDAD310F.1F5E%elipolo@earthlink.net>

On 11/2/04 4:01 AM, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@myway.com> wrote:

> According to a post on radio-info.com, Worcester's WWFX (100.1),
> a "new and classic rock" station known as "the Fox", is now doing
> classic rock only, under a new nickname: "FM 100 The Pike".

They're not "Classic Rock", they're now "Classic Hits". They had
already tried "Classic Rock" for a few years before they tried
switching to a combination of old and new rock a couple of years
ago, and they were still way behind WZLX back then, even in the
Worcester market.

Eli Polonsky

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Nov  2 12:31:57 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue Nov  2 12:31:30 2004
Subject: Worcester's "Fox" hits "The Pike"
In-Reply-To: <BDAD310F.1F5E%elipolo@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001601c4c101$db16a940$6400a8c0@AMD>

And they were "Classic Hits" before they were classic rock, also known
as "The Fox." 98.9 Was also classic hits for a while at the same time as
100.1, under several different names. So this is the third try at
Classic Hits in Worcester I guess.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

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To: raccoonradio@myway.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Worcester's "Fox" hits "The Pike"

On 11/2/04 4:01 AM, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@myway.com> wrote:

> According to a post on radio-info.com, Worcester's WWFX (100.1),
> a "new and classic rock" station known as "the Fox", is now doing
> classic rock only, under a new nickname: "FM 100 The Pike".

They're not "Classic Rock", they're now "Classic Hits". They had
already tried "Classic Rock" for a few years before they tried
switching to a combination of old and new rock a couple of years
ago, and they were still way behind WZLX back then, even in the
Worcester market.

Eli Polonsky


From rickkelly@gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 13:03:02 2004
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Tue Nov  2 13:03:21 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
In-Reply-To: <20041102141530.6C2CCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041102141530.6C2CCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <521b7fd104110210032d1d0694@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:15:30 -0500, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@lycos.com> wrote:

> I listened to her show during the first leg of my trip to
> Maine yesterday, and the station she mentioned was WMAS-1450.

This would be quite a departure for WMAS, which is the "Music of Your
Life" station in Springfield.

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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Nov  2 13:41:06 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Tue Nov  2 13:41:19 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
References: <20041102155407.D693712D43@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4c10b$8a313c20$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Well, the same company (Jones) syndicates MOYL, Stephanie, and Ed Schulz
(although, of these, I believe only Steph and Ed are on the same
transponder). As someone pointed out here recently, Jones is quite
ecumenical when it comes to talk hosts' viewpoints. Jones also syndicates
Neil Boortz.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@myway.com>
To: <lglavin@lycos.com>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Stephanie Miller in Springfield


>
> >>I listened to her show during the first leg of my trip to Maine
yesterday, and the station she mentioned was WMAS-1450
>
> hmm, strange--I know they were (or are) standards (and 100000watts.com
still lists them as being so) but thought I'd heard that they were changing
format, maybe to ethnic. And the WMAS site (via link on WMAS-FM site) says
that 1450 is Music Of Your Life, with George Murphy mornings, Peter
"Hollywood Squares" Marshall mid-mornings, Wink Martindale at noon, etc.
>
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov  2 16:16:24 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov  2 16:16:35 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
Message-ID: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" <Kaimbridge@programmer.net>
>To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
>Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:38:28 +0000

> 
> Our one and only Laurence Glavin wrote,
> 
> > A sidebar:  WLVP is careless about breaking away from
> > WLIB, there was a WLIB station ID, and later a spot for a 
> > man running for sheriff in Bergen County.  There's no
> > Bergen County in Maine, so I assume it was NJ. 
> 
> Is WLVP "careless about breaking away" or is AA careless with what
> gets birdfed to the affiliates?  P=|
> 
>      ~Kaimbridge~
> 
I don't know.  You tell me...do other networks, whether talk 
shows or spectator-sports PBP send out programming material
of the originating statioon?
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov  2 16:37:48 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov  2 16:37:56 2004
Subject: Air America Radio Remote in Kaimbridge, I Mean Cambridge
Message-ID: <20041102213748.60A15CA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>

Even though I received word that Al Franken's remote at the Hotel
Marlowe in Cambridge would not be open to the general public,
I thought I'd travel there to see if they could squeeze me in.
Au contraire, the doors were wide open, possibly to assure a
full house.  I did a head count, and sure enough everyone in attendance
had one head each.   There were 17 rows of chairs 16 across and
every one was taken as far as I could see.  Unlike the venue in
Maine, where there was for-pay snack booth, WXKS/WKOx offered
FREE (and excellent cookies) and hot coffee.  No more anti-CCU
diatribes from me.  (WCRB could provide me with free lobster
Savannah at Lock-Obers and they would remain on my s**t liszt.
Speaking of profanity, Al Franken did a warm-up before the show
started, and taking the position that today would be his last
chance to bash Bush, he called him a d**k-head and an effing
synonym for anus...then said "I'm just getting it out of my 
system since I can't say that on the air".  Today's show
was faster-paced, and the sound into the hall was flawless.  
No over-the-air calls were taken, but pre-arranged calls 
from Norm Orenstein (a political guru), ex-Sen. BOB KerrEy, and
others were handled seamlessly.   Let's see: 2,000 in Maine;  just
shy of 300 in Mass.  Maybe ME will go for Kerry and Ma for Bush!
BTW, I may become a star at WXKS/WKOX.  They run little
station promos of listeners praising the new format.  While
there, I recorded such a promo using terminology like:
"My car allows setting each pushbutton for two stations, and as
soon as Air America came here, I set one to 1430, and another 
to 1200 so I can keep it on wherever I travel."  So if you
hear that message, you may be listening to me.

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From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org  Tue Nov  2 18:05:47 2004
From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan)
Date: Tue Nov  2 18:05:45 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
In-Reply-To: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.1.20041102180349.01c7bf58@incoming.verizon.net>

At 04:16 PM 11/2/2004, you wrote:
>I don't know.  You tell me...do other networks, whether talk
>shows or spectator-sports PBP send out programming material
>of the originating statioon?

When the old CNet network was on 890, there were supposed to be 
local-drop-in news and traffic segments.  There weren't, so we would hear 
reports from the originating station in San Francisco.  Helpful, those.

Take care,

Dave

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov  2 20:57:19 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov  2 20:57:35 2004
Subject: Salty Brine has died
Message-ID: <20041103015719.1E3173B55@mprdmxin.myway.com>


According to a post on radio-info.com-- confirmed by a visit to
WPRI-TV 12's website-- R.I. broadcasting legend "Salty" Brine
passed away today (about 2 pm) at the age of 86.

http://www.wpri.com



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From steveord@bit-net.com  Tue Nov  2 22:00:44 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue Nov  2 22:00:42 2004
Subject: Salty Brine has died
In-Reply-To: <20041103015719.1E3173B55@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041103015719.1E3173B55@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041102220016.01afa188@pop3.bit-net.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:

>According to a post on radio-info.com-- confirmed by a visit to
>WPRI-TV 12's website-- R.I. broadcasting legend "Salty" Brine
>passed away today (about 2 pm) at the age of 86.


For some reason I though he'd died back in the 90s.


From steveord@bit-net.com  Tue Nov  2 22:06:25 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue Nov  2 22:06:25 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
In-Reply-To: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041102220102.01bae6f8@pop3.bit-net.com>

Laurence Glavin wrote:
> >
> > Is WLVP "careless about breaking away" or is AA careless with what
> > gets birdfed to the affiliates?  P=|
> >
> >      ~Kaimbridge~
> >
>I don't know.  You tell me...do other networks, whether talk
>shows or spectator-sports PBP send out programming material
>of the originating statioon?


Most networks cover the local breaks in the event affiliates don't have all 
local breaks filled.  Sometimes it's PSAs, other times local spots from the 
flagship.

Local breaks are triggered by either relay closures or subaudible tones (25 
or 35 Hz).  It's not uncommon for the network to miss sending the 
closure/tone.  Tones add their own set of complications...if they're too 
low in level, the decoder on the affiliate's automation may not detect them 
reliably.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Nov  2 23:34:07 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue Nov  2 23:34:38 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20041102220102.01bae6f8@pop3.bit-net.com>
References: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041102233319.02a13518@pop.registeredsite.com>


>Steve wrote--
>
>Local breaks are triggered by either relay closures or subaudible tones 
>(25 or 35 Hz).  It's not uncommon for the network to miss sending the 
>closure/tone.  Tones add their own set of complications...if they're too 
>low in level, the decoder on the affiliate's automation may not detect 
>them reliably.

Ah but earlier today, I was listening to Air America and around 12.15 or 
so, an EAS test came in right over their programming-- doesn't somebody 
warn you before an EAS test is due to be broadcast?


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov  3 00:34:10 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov  3 00:35:09 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
In-Reply-To: <521b7fd104110210032d1d0694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20041102141530.6C2CCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <41882782.12881.28F7C72@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2004 at 13:03, Rick Kelly wrote:

> > I listened to her show during the first leg of my trip to
> > Maine yesterday, and the station she mentioned was WMAS-1450.
> 
> This would be quite a departure for WMAS, which is the "Music of Your
> Life" station in Springfield.

About the same departure as it was for WXKS 1430.

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From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov  3 00:34:11 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov  3 00:35:12 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
In-Reply-To: <20041102081513.7735E3ABB@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <41882783.29120.28F7D49@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2004 at 3:15, Bob Nelson wrote:

> Most likely the trio of WHMP 1400 Northampton/ WHNP 1600 East
> Longmeadow, and WHMQ 1240 Greenfield, which are Air America. No mention of
> her on the website yet. Only other possibility would be WHYN 560, but I
> get the feeling it's the three stations I mentioned.

I would think that if it were WHMP, she would have said "Northampton," not "Springfield."  
The WHMP stations are only carrying some of Air America.  This weekend, when I was out 
there, I heard Bill O'Reilly right after Al Franken.

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From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov  3 00:34:11 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov  3 00:35:15 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
In-Reply-To: <001201c4c10b$8a313c20$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <41882783.7140.28F7DC6@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2004 at 13:41, Dan Strassberg wrote:

> Well, the same company (Jones) syndicates MOYL, Stephanie, and Ed Schulz
> (although, of these, I believe only Steph and Ed are on the same
> transponder). As someone pointed out here recently, Jones is quite
> ecumenical when it comes to talk hosts' viewpoints. Jones also syndicates
> Neil Boortz.

I've been wondering just what the Jones Network is.  For all the talk about Air America being 
the "liberal" network, Jones has Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz. 

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From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov  3 00:34:11 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov  3 00:35:17 2004
Subject: Air America Radio Remote in Kaimbridge, I Mean Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <20041102213748.60A15CA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <41882783.8761.28F7E02@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2004 at 16:37, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> No over-the-air calls were taken, but pre-arranged calls from Norm
> Orenstein (a political guru), ex-Sen. BOB KerrEy, and others were
> handled seamlessly.   

Al Franken doesn't usually take over-the-air calls.  He does a lot of talking and performing 
himself and a lot of prearranged calls.

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Wed Nov  3 00:51:04 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed Nov  3 00:51:20 2004
Subject: Stephanie Miller in Springfield
Message-ID: <20041103055104.509B13A5D@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I would think that if it were WHMP, she would have said "Northampton," not "Springfield." 

Most people across the country don't know Northampton though they
may know Springfield. It (WHMP) serves the Springfield market. So maybe it is WHMP, but she said "Springfield"...as in, nearest big
city served.

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From steveord@bit-net.com  Wed Nov  3 07:35:27 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed Nov  3 07:35:25 2004
Subject: [Forum] Re: Air America Radio Remote in Maine
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041102233319.02a13518@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<20041102211624.69AEFCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
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Donna Halper wrote:

>Ah but earlier today, I was listening to Air America and around 12.15 or 
>so, an EAS test came in right over their programming-- doesn't somebody 
>warn you before an EAS test is due to be broadcast?

Many stations do but you don't have to.  The tests can be automated...set 
to happen at the same day/time every week.  This may be what happened here.


From billo@shoreham.net  Wed Nov  3 07:37:13 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill..)
Date: Wed Nov  3 07:37:23 2004
Subject: Buck-aye?
Message-ID: <4188D0F9.604@shoreham.net>

Here we go again.  With 120K to the favor of the incumbent and 130K 
provisionals, it would take a statistical miracle for most all of the 
provisionals to be certified and for the certifieds to go with the 
challenger. 

Coverage last night, TV-wise, seemed to go with Fox, spin aside.  CNN 
had that tedious set, MSNBC was bombarded by signs and hoots. Fox stuck 
with a very low-key Brit Hume and a round table.  NBC did well with 
Russert and the swan song of Tom Brokaw.

Bill O'Neill

-- 
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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Wed Nov  3 11:19:47 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed Nov  3 11:19:59 2004
Subject: Buck-aye?
Message-ID: <20041103161947.30DD339F9@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>Coverage last night, TV-wise, seemed to go with Fox, spin aside.  CNN had that tedious set, MSNBC was bombarded by signs and hoots. Fox stuck with a very low-key Brit Hume and a round table.  

I flipped through the channels; Rather was very cautious in calling states for a certain candidate ("would rather be late than
inaccurate"). Hume was indeed low-key...and yes, a couple channels
decided to do the "Today Show" approach with sign-carrying partisans
outside trying to be seen.

Concerned mostly with the national picture, I didn't watch much of the local cut-ins (did notice Ch. 9 and its coverage of the upset
in the NH gov. race). I don't think there was much drama in the
US Rep. races here. Two people that made me change the channel:
Susan Estrich (for her voice) and James Carville (for his face and
his voice). Lots of "playbook strategy" sessions with the likes
of George Stephanopolos: "If Bush wins X and Y, and Kerry wins Z,
then..." (the electoral vote scenaries)...

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From paulcurrier@adelphia.net  Wed Nov  3 13:42:54 2004
From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier)
Date: Wed Nov  3 13:41:01 2004
Subject: Salty Brine has died
References: <20041103015719.1E3173B55@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c4c1d4$ee8ad540$5c5ba445@DG07P241>

Kinda brief; no mention of Wally's picking up the family ball and running
with it for many humorus years in the business in Boston.

Paul
Sandwich MA

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Salty Brine has died


>
> According to a post on radio-info.com-- confirmed by a visit to
> WPRI-TV 12's website-- R.I. broadcasting legend "Salty" Brine
> passed away today (about 2 pm) at the age of 86.
>
> http://www.wpri.com
>
>
>
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From rickkelly@gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 15:35:50 2004
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Wed Nov  3 15:36:03 2004
Subject: Salty Brine has died
In-Reply-To: <00d501c4c1d4$ee8ad540$5c5ba445@DG07P241>
References: <20041103015719.1E3173B55@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<00d501c4c1d4$ee8ad540$5c5ba445@DG07P241>
Message-ID: <521b7fd1041103123533c665c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:42:54 -0500, Paul B. Currier
<paulcurrier@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Kinda brief; no mention of Wally's picking up the family ball and running
> with it for many humorus years in the business in Boston.

It was in the Globe today; you might have to cut and paste this long link:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/obituaries/articles/2004/11/03/salty_brine_broadcaster_of_enduring_appeal_at_86/

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From billo@shoreham.net  Wed Nov  3 16:09:16 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed Nov  3 16:09:21 2004
Subject: Buck-aye?
In-Reply-To: <20041103161947.30DD339F9@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041103161947.30DD339F9@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <418948FC.6000503@shoreham.net>

Bob Nelson wrote:

>...and yes, a couple channels
>
>decided to do the "Today Show" approach with sign-carrying partisans
>
>outside trying to be seen.
>
I kinda liked that during the debates, a time what it was hardscrabble 
and "get out of my face!" but the election seemed to have less of a New 
York relevance.  Life was just sort of going on all around the tired 
pundits.  Hume's approach, although a bit too sedated, did fit well with 
what could be described as collective apprehension and exhaustion.  Sad 
to see Brokaw round third and head for home. Sadder to see Dan Rather 
put himself in such a position as he rounds third, a news scandal for 
the election-ages.  Saddest to witness the melt-down of venerable Walter 
Cronkite who actually was not kidding when he suggested that Bush's 
campaign "architect" had a hand in the recently released OBL tape.  
Well, Walter, "That's #30#."

Bill O'Neill
From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Nov  3 18:26:28 2004
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Wed Nov  3 18:26:34 2004
Subject: Air America Radio Remote in Kaimbridge, I Mean Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <41882783.8761.28F7E02@localhost>
Message-ID: <007101c4c1fc$8bc09530$c3ec33d1@alvin>


> 
> > No over-the-air calls were taken, but pre-arranged calls from Norm 
> > Orenstein (a political guru), ex-Sen. BOB KerrEy, and others were
> > handled seamlessly.   
> 
> Al Franken doesn't usually take over-the-air calls.  He does 
> a lot of talking and performing 
> himself and a lot of prearranged calls.
> 
It's much easier to do a talk show when you have a script.  I doubt that Mr.
Franken would be as witty (and I use the term loosely) and "knowlegeable" if
he were taking live calls.  At least O'Reilly, Rush, and Hannity are willing
to take their chances at what will come in to them over an open phone line.

Brian T. Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St. - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691 USA
+1-978-538-7575 voice
+1-978-538-7550 fax
www.cssinc.com



From lglavin@lycos.com  Thu Nov  4 14:19:27 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu Nov  4 14:19:39 2004
Subject: Air America Radio Remote in Kaimbridge, I Mean Cambridge
Message-ID: <20041104191927.2FFCB86B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
>To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
>Subject: RE: Air America Radio Remote in Kaimbridge, I Mean Cambridge
>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:26:28 > > 
> > Al Franken doesn't usually take over-the-air calls.  He does 
> > a lot of talking and performing 
> > himself and a lot of prearranged calls.
> > 
> It's much easier to do a talk show when you have a script.  I doubt that Mr.
> Franken would be as witty (and I use the term loosely) and "knowlegeable" if
> he were taking live calls.  At least O'Reilly, Rush, and Hannity are willing
> to take their chances at what will come in to them over an open phone line.
> 
> Brian T. Vita, President
> Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
> 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4
> Peabody, MA  01960-5691 USA
> +1-978-538-7575 voice
> +1-978-538-7550 fax
> www.cssinc.com
> 
> 
Oops...today (11/04) he gave out the 866 # first thing and took one
call after another.  As I mentioned on a prior occasion, I went to
a public appearance he made in Cambridge a year ago, and he took a
multitude of questions (inclding a two-parter from me).

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Thu Nov  4 14:22:05 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu Nov  4 14:22:15 2004
Subject: Buck-aye?
Message-ID: <20041104192205.EAAC086B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
To: raccoonradio@myway.com
Subject: Re: Buck-aye?
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:09:16 -0500

  Sad 
> to see Brokaw round third and head for home. Sadder to see Dan Rather 
> put himself in such a position as he rounds third, a news scandal for 
> the election-ages. 

Jay Leno did a funny bit Wednesday night made up of Ratherisms...
my favorite : "hotter than a Times Square Rolex".
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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Thu Nov  4 15:03:14 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu Nov  4 15:03:17 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
In-Reply-To: <20041104192205.EAAC086B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041104192205.EAAC086B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
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<<On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:22:05 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@lycos.com> said:

> Jay Leno did a funny bit Wednesday night made up of Ratherisms...
> my favorite : "hotter than a Times Square Rolex".

I spent a bit of time watching Rather's coverage on Tuesday night and
was pretty convinced myself that it was time for him to hang up the
cans.  The only trouble is: does CBS have anyone in the wings who is
actually good enough to win back the audience that Rather lost?  I'm
not too high on J.D.^H^H^H^HJohn Roberts; he just seems too bland.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov  4 15:22:22 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Nov  4 15:21:32 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
In-Reply-To: <200411042003.iA4K3Eln089607@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20041104192205.EAAC086B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<20041104192205.EAAC086B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041104152201.03294288@gwind.pair.com>

At 03:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote:
><<On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:22:05 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" 
><lglavin@lycos.com> said:
>
> > Jay Leno did a funny bit Wednesday night made up of Ratherisms...
> > my favorite : "hotter than a Times Square Rolex".
>
>I spent a bit of time watching Rather's coverage on Tuesday night and
>was pretty convinced myself that it was time for him to hang up the
>cans.  The only trouble is: does CBS have anyone in the wings who is
>actually good enough to win back the audience that Rather lost?  I'm
>not too high on J.D.^H^H^H^HJohn Roberts; he just seems too bland.

Scott Pelley was being touted as the Next Big Thing there for a while; 
wonder what happened there?

s

From lglavin@lycos.com  Thu Nov  4 16:34:20 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu Nov  4 16:34:40 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
Message-ID: <20041104213420.8C2BC86B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
>To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@lycos.com>
>Subject: Time for Rather to go?
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:03:14 -0500 (EST)
 
> I spent a bit of time watching Rather's coverage on Tuesday night and
> was pretty convinced myself that it was time for him to hang up the
> cans.  The only trouble is: does CBS have anyone in the wings who is
> actually good enough to win back the audience that Rather lost?  I'm
> not too high on J.D.^H^H^H^HJohn Roberts; he just seems too bland.
> 
> -GAWollman
> 
> 
The question now may be:  is it time to replace the old model of the
broadcast network anchor (dictionary definition..."dead weight")
with the B.B.C. model of the news reader?  When the Ratherism-spouter
sinks beneath the waves of time, maybe CBS could rebrand the program
not as "The CBS Evening News with Dan Rather", but just:
"The CBS Evening News" period.  Whether it's Scott Pelly,
John Roberts, or even some female(!), he or she could be the regular
reader.  Then when that person is away for whatever reason, 
the Voice-over guy would NOT say "sitting in for..."
I always thought it was ridiculous for the Voice-over guy to 
use that language on weekends;  does anybody care that so-and-so
is sitting in for John Siegenthaler(sp?) on a Saturday night?
That should be the model for whoever immediately replaces
Rather.  NBC probably won't do that decause they're furiously
promoting Brian Williams, and it looks as though A'boot-man isn't
departing ABC any time soon.  

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From sps199@psu.edu  Thu Nov  4 16:37:44 2004
From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu Nov  4 16:37:48 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
Message-ID: <200411042137.QAA23872@webmail3.cac.psu.edu>

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:03:14, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> I spent a bit of time watching Rather's coverage on Tuesday night and
> was pretty convinced myself that it was time for him to hang up the
> cans.  The only trouble is: does CBS have anyone in the wings who is
> actually good enough to win back the audience that Rather lost?  I'm
> not too high on J.D.^H^H^H^HJohn Roberts; he just seems too bland.

Miles O'Brien? He might possess that everyday-man feel and relate to the viewer.

CBS definitely isn't finding someone from within, they'll need to raid one of
the cable nets if anything.

From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Thu Nov  4 19:50:17 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Thu Nov  4 19:50:22 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
Message-ID: <A97C0E02-2EC4-11D9-B8F7-000393D13824@mindspring.com>

On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> The question now may be:  is it time to replace the old model of the
> broadcast network anchor (dictionary definition..."dead weight")
> with the B.B.C. model of the news reader?

That's the way I think they should go.  The days of the star anchor are 
waning.  It has already happened at the local level, and the network 
stars are largely left over from an era when far more people watched 
broadcast coverage of every major event.  Now the real stars are the 
pundits.  CBS/Viacom's best-known news personality of the next 
generation is Comedy Central's Jon Stewart.

From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Nov  4 21:15:46 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu Nov  4 21:15:57 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
In-Reply-To: <200411042137.QAA23872@webmail3.cac.psu.edu>
References: <200411042137.QAA23872@webmail3.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <418AE252.3070601@shoreham.net>

Sean Smyth wrote:

>Miles O'Brien? He might possess that everyday-man feel and relate to the viewer.
>
>CBS definitely isn't finding someone from within, they'll need to raid one of
>the cable nets if anything.
>
>
>  
>
I was thinking the same thing - that CBS will need to harvest an 
established talent from elsewhere.  There are some anchors on cable who 
have some decent depth of (TV persona) character. 

Bill O'Neill
From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Nov  4 21:42:40 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Nov  4 21:42:50 2004
Subject: Time for Rather to go?
Message-ID: <200411042142.AA1967915630@mail.ttlc.net>

Finding the right replacement may be difficult, but the "really daunting" task is selecting the person who has to break the news 
to Dan.



From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov  5 15:01:08 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Nov  5 15:01:48 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>

First, the usual humble request:  let's not turn this into a referendum on 
whether the election results were good or bad.  I know many members on the 
list have strong views (myself among them).  But this is a RADIO question:

How do you think the election results will affect Air America?  I believe 
the fledgeling network was on too few stations, most of which had weak 
signals, to make much of a difference in the recent elections.  But given 
that 9 of the top 10 radio talk shows are done by conservatives, do you 
foresee some growth for Air America now as the "loyal opposition"?  Like it 
or not, this was a very polarizing campaign and the end result was still 
fairly close-- 51 to 49% I believe.  Can Air America be the voice of that 
49% and be successful, or as in the past, do you expect so-called liberal 
talk shows to fail? 


From sid@wrko.com  Fri Nov  5 15:46:20 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri Nov  5 15:46:38 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <s18ba059.044@entbalhs1>

>> Can Air America be the voice of that 49% and be successful, or as in the past, do you expect so-called liberal talk shows to fail?<<

I don't think AAR's success has to do with where they are on the political spectrum.  The question is:  Can they do entertaining, compelling radio (the same question one has to ask to judge the success of ANY radio format)?  I ask that because, even as they have had a Republican president and Congress for the past four years, the conservative talkers have had plenty to talk about and I haven't seen their ratings falter, except for the usual book-to-book variations one would expect to see with any format.

A "sub"-question might be:  Can they get over the loss of this election quickly enough to move on, and not always resort to bringing up four years ago, when the liberal "line" was that Bush and his cronies stole the election?  Even Rush Limbaugh doesn't mention Bill Clinton as often as he used to.

If they can conquer those two points, I think they have a shot.  The early (pre-election) results have been positive in some of their markets, and if they can continue improving as RADIO talk hosts (not comedians or social commentators who happen to be on the radio), they could pull it off.



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WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
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From billo@shoreham.net  Fri Nov  5 16:59:36 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri Nov  5 16:59:48 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <418BF7C8.4000201@shoreham.net>

Donna Halper wrote:

> How do you think the election results will affect Air America?  <snip> 
> Can Air America be the voice of that 49% and be successful, or as in 
> the past, do you expect so-called liberal talk shows to fail?
>
Excellent topic! Radio! Who knew?  Some rambling thoughts on this in 
*no* particular order of importance:
AA will have to bring on more name brands than Franken, who appears to 
be their 90 point masthead. He needs to learn to love RADIO as much as 
he does his point of view. When he finally drops the towel and makes 
that commitment, you'll hear it immediately.  And, oh, his message?  
That will finally appeal more broadly.

The 48% (adjusted for Iowa) who _should_ love AA as much as the 52% seem 
to love Rush will have to learn how the radio thing works (from the 
activist, regular caller, diary holder point of view.)  An AA has to 
show them how.  Gillette gave away the razor so that customers could buy 
the blades.  AA, or other liberal-POV outlets, need to try harder to 
figure out what we all know here on this list: a good format does not 
make for good radio.  Good radio (execution, talent, and "it") makes for 
good radio. The topic or "lean" is to "program" what good radio 
instincts and respect for the medium is to the carrier signal.

I really believe that there are more emergent talk radio listeners that 
swing liberal.  That would make sense given the younger demo.

Oh, and the other problem? Comedians are expected to be...funny.  They 
build up a fan base on their brand.  They hire managers, agents, and 
other people just for that reason.  Then, they get...serious. It's like 
the "universes collide" problem with George on Seinfeld.  Rodney 
Dangerfield? Funny (rip).  Rodney as a talk host? Not funny.  Bob 
Newhart? Funny? Talker...nope.  Not that I appreciate the "Shut Up and 
Sing" message - all have the right to free speech.  Just don't cry foul 
when no one laughs. 

So...AA needs to hire good talent. Solid in their skills, and sincere in 
their beliefs.  Then do it the right way - grow an audience over the 
next 4 years and see what happens.

Bill O'Neill
From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Fri Nov  5 22:04:35 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Fri Nov  5 22:04:38 2004
Subject: Satellite Radio Musing
Message-ID: <200411052204.AA1412038930@mail.ttlc.net>

What is the long term probability of true success for
Satellite Radio outlets like XM & Sirius as long as 
their business model is based on one exclusive receiver 
per station?  It sort of (in a weird way) makes sense
when there are only two, but I can't see that leading
to real sell-thru in the long term where more outlets
and a common receiver could halp the format reach 
critical mass acceptance.
From steveord@bit-net.com  Fri Nov  5 22:55:18 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri Nov  5 22:55:15 2004
Subject: Air America
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Donna Halper wrote:
>How do you think the election results will affect Air America?  I believe 
>the fledgeling network was on too few stations, most of which had weak 
>signals, to make much of a difference in the recent elections.  But given 
>that 9 of the top 10 radio talk shows are done by conservatives, do you 
>foresee some growth for Air America now as the "loyal opposition"?  Like 
>it or not, this was a very polarizing campaign and the end result was 
>still fairly close-- 51 to 49% I believe.  Can Air America be the voice of 
>that 49% and be successful, or as in the past, do you expect so-called 
>liberal talk shows to fail?

I agree with the other posters.  AA has to move beyond being merely the 
"Bush sucks" network, and develop itself into a network providing 
entertaining talk hosts who just happen to see things a bit differently 
than most current syndicated talk hosts do.  A one-trick pony ain't gonna 
cut it.   If AA steps back, tones down the shrill rhetoric a bit and 
develops a solid line-up of talk hosts (maybe even cut back from trying to 
provide 18 hr/day temporarily) there's no reason they can't succeed.



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov  6 08:14:45 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Sat Nov  6 08:15:55 2004
Subject: Air America
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Another scenario would have Air America disappearing as a separate company,
and Jones Satellite Networks, which provides some of the programming for
WKOXKS and other CCU stations that carry AAR, picking up the portion of the
AAR shows that they feel they could run with. In my view, Randi Rhodes (who,
in addition to her AAR show, does a local show at CCU's WJNO Palm Beach)
would be the pick of the litter. Rhodes can be whiney and strident, but I
find her passion for the issues to be truly compelling--as long as she
remembers to shut up when a guest is answering one of her own
questions--something she often can't seem to manage.

I much enjoy Franken despite his low-key approach, but as I understand it,
his contract doesn't run too much longer and he has expressed interest in
moving on to bigger and better things. I think that whoever nicknamed
Franken's show the Liberal Home Companion, after fellow Minnesotan Garrison
Keillor's Public Radio show Prairie Home Companion, got it EXACTLY right.

In my opinion, AAR's AM drive show, Morning Sedition with Marc Marin and
Mark Reilly, also compares favorably with Jones' Stephanie Miller. I think
Marc and Mark have figured out how to be simultaneously serious and
entertaining in AM drive--no easy task. Although it doesn't run opposite
Morning Sedition, Steph's show runs in AM drive on the West coast. Steph has
her fans, but I find that her show often trivializes serious issues and, in
my opinion, rarely succeeds in being entertaining.

For listeners here in Boston and in other markets where CCU puts AAR and the
Jones left-leaning talk programming on the same stations, the advantage of
having one source for the entire schedule seems to me to be pretty
compelling. WKOXKS runs Rhodes on delay because her show airs opposite
Jones's star of liberal talk, Ed Schultz. I think Rhodes' show may be
Webcast live, but I haven't found the stream. In the absence of a Webcast
(or if, like me, you've got a dialup Internet connection, no cell phone, and
one land line), there is no good way to call into the show. If a single
provider were downlinking the entire schedule, presumably, none of the
programming would be on delay.

BTW, Schultz says he runs his show without a screener. So far, though, I
think I've heard him hang up on only one caller. His show gets a TON of
calls. (I know because I've tried to call a couple of times and haven't been
able to get through.) But I think it would be better for him to take fewer
calls and keep each caller that he does take on the air a little longer.
Nearly all of the callers start out by saying that they want to make a
couple of points, but if they succeed in getting out the first one (which
doesn't always happen), Schultz thanks them, pots them down, and moves on to
another call. Makes for fast pacing, but not for very thoughtful discussion.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: SteveOrdinetz <steveord@bit-net.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Air America


> Donna Halper wrote:
> >How do you think the election results will affect Air America?  I believe
> >the fledgeling network was on too few stations, most of which had weak
> >signals, to make much of a difference in the recent elections.  But given
> >that 9 of the top 10 radio talk shows are done by conservatives, do you
> >foresee some growth for Air America now as the "loyal opposition"?  Like
> >it or not, this was a very polarizing campaign and the end result was
> >still fairly close-- 51 to 49% I believe.  Can Air America be the voice
of
> >that 49% and be successful, or as in the past, do you expect so-called
> >liberal talk shows to fail?
>
> I agree with the other posters.  AA has to move beyond being merely the
> "Bush sucks" network, and develop itself into a network providing
> entertaining talk hosts who just happen to see things a bit differently
> than most current syndicated talk hosts do.  A one-trick pony ain't gonna
> cut it.   If AA steps back, tones down the shrill rhetoric a bit and
> develops a solid line-up of talk hosts (maybe even cut back from trying to
> provide 18 hr/day temporarily) there's no reason they can't succeed.
>
>
>

From stevewest106@hotmail.com  Sat Nov  6 08:30:03 2004
From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West)
Date: Sat Nov  6 08:31:10 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <BAY16-F356sIQrttDRd0003f57d@hotmail.com>

Donna asked:

>Can Air America be the voice of that 49% and be successful, or as in the 
>past, do you expect so-called liberal talk shows to fail?

Excellent question.  Unfortunately, IMHO, the dynamics are quite 
complicated.  First off, the one company which could allow for AA's growth, 
Clear Channel, might have only carried AA prior to the election in order to 
create the appearance of fairness.  Otoh, it may be a good move for them in 
liberal markets where their own brand of talk radio is being carried on a 
station held by a competitor.  This is certainly true in Boston, where the 
main talk station is owned by Entercom, and then we have Infinity's WBZ.... 
their news all day and nighttime talk beats out anything WRKO could think of 
airing.  So in Boston, AA is likely a very good move considering the highly 
liberal makeup of the city, EXCEPT that AA is on a pair of very poor 
nighttime signals.  So it does well during the day, but stinky at night.  
But, maybe CC is throwing the towell in at night knowing they don't have a 
ghost of a chance against Brudnoy.  Thoughts?

The short answer is, I think AA will survive, even thrive in some markets, 
while it will end in failure in others, in places like the south which are 
heavilly Conservative Christian.  AA will likely survive in Boston, Chicago, 
San Francisco (is there an outlet there?) and the usual liberal places.

Course, aside from popularity and ratings, etc, it will all depend on the 
ability of the format to be sold.  If it isn't well received in the 
community, the whole experiment is dead.  Again, I see no problem in places 
like Boston.  Here in Memphis, it would have a chance because, believe it or 
not, because of demographics, the home of Graceland is extremely liberal... 
at least within city limits. (Tennessee, as a whole is conservative.  I feel 
like I live on an island)  That said, it would likely fail miserably in 
Nashville.

Sorry for the long answer but you asked the $64 question.

-West


From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sat Nov  6 09:28:56 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sat Nov  6 09:29:02 2004
Subject: Air America
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On Nov 6, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Steve West wrote:

> The short answer is, I think AA will survive, even thrive in some 
> markets, while it will end in failure in others, in places like the 
> south which are heavilly Conservative Christian.  AA will likely 
> survive in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco (is there an outlet there?) 
> and the usual liberal places.

Why wouldn't a liberal station be able to do well in heavily 
conservative places?  All it takes is a small, passionate minority to 
listen and build up ratings.   In fact, you could make a case that when 
a small population feels totally surrounded by people who feel 
differently, they are likely to be even more committed to the few media 
sources that agree.

Radio stations are successful with 5% of the people listening.  You 
could find that kind of percentage of liberal believers anywhere.  Even 
in Wyoming, where Bush won one of his largest majorities, they have a 
Democratic governor.

And after all, conservative talk is doing very well in Boston.

Mark

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  6 02:19:42 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:14:42 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <418C34BE.12255.95230F@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2004 at 15:01, Donna Halper wrote:

> How do you think the election results will affect Air America?  I believe
> the fledgeling network was on too few stations, most of which had weak
> signals, to make much of a difference in the recent elections.  

I must say, I was wondering, before the election, what Air America would do if Kerry won.  
Complaining is much more entertaining than praising.  Now there will be material for shows 
for the next four years.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  6 02:19:42 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:15:06 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <s18ba059.044@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <418C34BE.10191.95234A@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2004 at 15:46, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> A "sub"-question might be:  Can they get over the loss of this election
> quickly enough to move on, and not always resort to bringing up four years
> ago, when the liberal "line" was that Bush and his cronies stole the
> election?  

Actually, I haven't heard that on Air America very much lately.  Bush and his cronies have 
done a lot more since then.

> Even Rush Limbaugh doesn't mention Bill Clinton as often as he
> used to.

There is one difference:  Bush is in office.  Clinton is not.
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov  6 02:19:42 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:15:45 2004
Subject: Air America
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On 5 Nov 2004 at 16:59, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> Excellent topic! Radio! Who knew?  Some rambling thoughts on this in *no*
> particular order of importance: AA will have to bring on more name brands
> than Franken, who appears to be their 90 point masthead. 

They also have Janeane Garofalo.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 11:19:30 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 11:19:42 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041106161930.43AAE3998@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I must say, I was wondering, before the election, what Air America would do if Kerry won. Complaining is much more entertaining than praising.  Now there will be material for shows for the next four years

Oh, there would be plenty for them to "complain" about had Kerry won
but both houses of Congress remained in Republican hands. "How can
President Kerry get anything done when the Senate and House
keep Washington in gridlock?" Add to that any discussions on
the Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson trials; abortion rights;
the environment; gay marriage; censorship and boycotts of
TV and radio shows; foreign policy, and much much more. I'm
thinking of 1994 when the GOP won one house(or was is both houses)
of Congress, and you had a Democratic president. Had Air
America been around then, it could have survived and thrived.

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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov  6 13:36:16 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Sat Nov  6 13:37:13 2004
Subject: Air America
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>From what I've heard, if you check the ratings, you will find that Michael
Savage's hate-filled rantings consistently beat Brudnoy (and his frequently
hate-filled ripoffs of William F Buckley). If the Boston market is so bright
and sophisitcated, how come Boston listeners can't discern the difference
between worthwhile thought and sesquipedalian words couched in even longer
sentences. Maybe the people who CAN discern the difference have simply
deserted the AM band for NPR.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve West <stevewest106@hotmail.com>
To: <dlh@donnahalper.com>; <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Air America


> This is certainly true in Boston, where the
> main talk station is owned by Entercom, and then we have Infinity's
WBZ....
> their news all day and nighttime talk beats out anything WRKO could think
of
> airing.

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Nov  6 14:04:38 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:04:47 2004
Subject: WBYY Knocked Off The Air By A Bullet
Message-ID: <005a01c4c433$780c8880$6f918318@Mark>

  According to a report in today's (11/6) Foster's Daily Democrat, WBYY 
(98.7 Somersworth) was knocked off the air for several hours on Friday, the 
cause being pinpointed to a .22 caliber bullet that was shot into the 
transmission line at the transmitter site in Somersworth. The problem came 
to light on Wednesday when station personnel discovered that some 
transmitter readings were out of the norm. Upon inspection at the 
transmitter site, it was discovered the pressurized line that goes to the 
transmitter had been punctured about 275 feet up the tower by a .22 caliber 
bullet that lodged inside the line. The station was knocked off the air 
around 10 AM Friday when high winds apparently caused the bullet to move 
inside the line and came in contact with live wires. A temporary 100 foot 
transmission line was set up and WBYY came back on the air at reduced power 
by 7 PM Friday. Engineers hope to be able to climb the tower today 
(Saturday)to replace the damaged line now that the high winds have subsided. 
Police and station officials do not believe that this was an intentional 
act, but merely someone using the tower and surrounding wooded area for 
target practice, the chances of finding the shooter are very slim say 
police.

    Unfortunately for WBYY, this took place during their annual 100 hour 
broadcast to collect canned food drive for local charities. Donations were 
noticeably off while the station was off the air.

Mark Watson 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov  6 14:04:40 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:05:07 2004
Subject: Air America
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Dan S wrote--
>Maybe the people who CAN discern the difference have simply
>deserted the AM band for NPR.

Alas, for those who value hearing both sides, NPR has slid a bit more 
towards the right, for reasons I can certainly understand-- their funding 
depends on making nice to the party in power.  Republican conservatives 
have long tried to hold up that funding.  So now, both NPR and PBS are 
giving more thorough coverage to the president and to issues near and dear 
to Republicans.  It was NPR that aired day after day of interviews with 
Conservative Christians during the campaign, including an hour interview 
with the film-maker who made a documentary equating Mr Bush with Jesus (a 
film reviewed sent to thousands of churches, btw).  I am not saying there 
is anything wrong with covering the conservative right wing, but contrary 
to the myth of the "liberal media", if you listened to NPR during the 
campaign, and many content analyses were done, coverage of Bush and 
coverage of Kerry were equal in terms of minutes aired, and coverage of 
Bush was much more thorough than in the previous election.  I'm sure the 
folks in congress will still complain, but if their goal was to get NPR to 
become more centrist and less leftist, I believe they succeeded.      


From lglavin@lycos.com  Sat Nov  6 14:13:17 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:13:26 2004
Subject: LTAR Tomorrow (Marathon, Not A Sprint)
Message-ID: <20041106191317.149743384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Don't forget, tomorrow, November 7th is the first Sunday in
November...that means not a half-hour, not one-full-hour,
but a 90-minute "Let's Talk About Radio".  Brew a pot of coffee
maybe even Irish coffee, recommended because it contains the four
essential food groups: caffeine, fat, sugar and alcohol.  Turn off
your cell phone, disconnect your land-line phone's wall-jack 
and hunker down for the duration. NO FUTBOL till it ends!
-- 
_______________________________________________
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From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Nov  6 14:28:04 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:28:11 2004
Subject: WVAA Burlington VT Sold
Message-ID: <007201c4c436$bdd6b720$6f918318@Mark>

  Radio and Records reporting that Radio Vermont Group LLC has sold WVAA 
(1390 Burlington VT) to White Park Broadcasting, a subsidiary of Northeast 
Broadcasting Inc., which is headed by Steven Silberberg. (also owns WXRV 
Haverhill, WNCS Montpeilier VT, and 19 other stations in NH & VT). Reported 
sale price is $400,000. WVAA was doing bird feed Country when I was last in 
the Burlington area Labor Day weekend. I wonder what Steven Silberberg will 
do with WVAA? Another bird feed format? Music or talk?

Mark Watson 


From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 14:44:20 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:47:13 2004
Subject: Air America
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> >From what I've heard, if you check the ratings, you will find that
Michael
> Savage's hate-filled rantings consistently beat Brudnoy (and his
frequently
> hate-filled ripoffs of William F Buckley).

Summer ratings(nites) 25-54:

WBZ -     2.8 (10th place)
WRKO - 2.7 (11th place)

12+:

WBZ - 9.2
WRKO - 5.1

I think in younger people, they may be neck and neck....But with all
listenrs WBZ definitely wipes out RKO at night.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov  6 15:40:07 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Sat Nov  6 15:40:16 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <418C34BE.12255.95230F@localhost>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>; "Donna Halper" 
<dlh@donnahalper.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: Air America


> I must say, I was wondering, before the election, what Air America would 
> do if Kerry won.
> Complaining is much more entertaining than praising.  Now there will be 
> material for shows
> for the next four years.

People said the same thing about Rush when Bush won.  He has done fine with 
Republicans in control.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov  6 15:47:23 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Sat Nov  6 15:47:27 2004
Subject: Air America
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Dan Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Air America


> but contrary to the myth of the "liberal media", if you listened to NPR 
> during the campaign, and many content analyses were done, coverage of Bush 
> and coverage of Kerry were equal in terms of minutes aired, and coverage 
> of Bush was much more thorough than in the previous election.

I agree with Donna.  NPR tries to be fair.  The point of view of their staff 
comes through from time to time, but they are generally professional.

The Newshour plays it down the middle.

What I appreciate about both is that they do not get as caught up the latest 
media frenzy of the moment as the networks and cable channels do.  The 
attempt to make the "missing explosives" story into an October surprise to 
take down the President was disgusting.  NPR and the Newshour covered the 
story, but not in the frenzied way that the networks did.

-- Dan Billings
    Red State American trapped in a Blue State


From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sat Nov  6 16:53:42 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (mlaurence@mindspring.com)
Date: Sat Nov  6 16:53:45 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <23653544.1099778023178.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

>while trying not to make this too political

Gee, I'd hate to hear you when you weren't so fair and balanced.

"whining"
"so far extreme left"
"face reality!"
"outrageous"
"outright paranoia"
"idiotic ramblings"

Good talk radio gives you a strong viewpoint that inspires you to react.  It sounds like Air America is doing well.

Mark


From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 18:18:35 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:18:49 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041106231835.82ED23990@mprdmxin.myway.com>


I have to agree with your post; as an independent who voted for
Bush (though I don't agree with him on every issue), I'd
think Bush supporters would have to admit that the likes of
Moore and Franken brought the conservative base AND moderates
out to vote; plus O'Reilly was admitting in his column today that many were turned off by the Hollywood liberal crowd. Saying the election was stolen when there's a 5 million vote margin? Is this some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch? :)


>>If I was an AA host this week...I woulda just let people vent, call and express their (hurt) feelings, express their outrage, etc....talk about the future, strategy, etc.

That makes sense. I wonder if any of them would book Sen. Zell
Miller as a guest. Miller points out that instead of counting for one
fourth of the electoral vote total, the South now accounts
for one-third...and the Democrats batted .000 in the South, again.
Add the midwest and other parts of the country who were "red
states"...

Will the Democrats listen to constructive criticism from a lifelong
Democrat like Miller, or, four years from now, will we be
seeing Hillary's concession speech? Everybody makes mistakes;
the trick for the Democrats is to learn from them.



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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 18:20:24 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:20:37 2004
Subject: WVAA Burlington VT Sold
Message-ID: <20041106232024.505DC3990@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>WVAA was doing bird feed Country when I was last in the Burlington area Labor Day weekend. I wonder what Steven Silberberg will do with WVAA? Another bird feed format? Music or talk?

If the signal's better than WVTK (I think those are the calls) 1070,
maybe they can lure Air America away? ...If it's music I doubt
a format like WXRV would show up on AM. Nostalgia? More classic
country? Oldies?

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 18:24:54 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:25:05 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041106232454.D325F39A1@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>From what I've heard, if you check the ratings, you will find that Michael Savage's hate-filled rantings consistently beat Brudnoy 

I'm to the right of center but I couldn't take Savage. In recent months when I wasn't listening to the 2004 World Champions on
'RKO's sister station, I was listening to Laura Ingraham (I know,
not everyone likes her either...) on 'TKK. 'RKO got rid of Hannity
because it was delayed 4 hours and they needed live stuff (this
was around the time of the DC sniper IIRC, among other things).
'TKK winds up delaying Hannity by some 7 hours.

I wish 'RKO would have kept Hannity on (getting rid of the #2
rated talker nationally in favor of the #4 one, Savage?) in that
7-10 pm slot, or tried to find a way to get Ingraham (but she
had re-upped with 'TKK). Or even, dare I say, local stuff...

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 18:26:01 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:26:13 2004
Subject: LTAR Tomorrow (Marathon, Not A Sprint)
Message-ID: <20041106232601.6F5363988@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>a 90 minute LTAR

And for those like me who tape it for others, get that C-90 in
your (hopefully auto-reverse) cass. deck (or a mini-disc or
whatever!)



 

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov  6 18:28:13 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:28:26 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041106232813.A66A43990@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>Alas, for those who value hearing both sides, NPR has slid a bit more towards the right, for reasons I can certainly understand-- their funding depends on making nice to the party in power.  

I know it's an entertainment show, not news or talk, but one of
my tape traders sent me an edition of "Whad Ya Know" with
Maureen Dowd plugging her book and after a few minutes of
her Bush bashing, I couldn't take any more and fast-forwarded
it. Then again I'm sure those on the left would have a tough
time stomaching much of Ann Coulter :)



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From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 18:44:30 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sat Nov  6 18:46:23 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <23653544.1099778023178.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <163101c4c45a$c77bda20$1404fea9@xyz>

> Joseph Pappalardo wrote:
> 
> >while trying not to make this too political

> From: <mlaurence@mindspring.com>
> 
> Gee, I'd hate to hear you when you weren't so fair and balanced.
> 
> "whining"
> "so far extreme left"
> "face reality!"
> "outrageous"
> "outright paranoia"
> "idiotic ramblings"


Well, like I said...I was trying....   Some habits are hard to resist.  ;-)

JP
From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Nov  6 20:29:38 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Nov  6 20:29:46 2004
Subject: WVAA Burlington VT Sold
In-Reply-To: <007201c4c436$bdd6b720$6f918318@Mark>
References: <007201c4c436$bdd6b720$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <418D7A82.8090802@shoreham.net>

Mark Watson wrote:

>  Radio and Records reporting that Radio Vermont Group LLC has sold 
> WVAA (1390 Burlington VT) to White Park Broadcasting, a subsidiary of 
> Northeast Broadcasting Inc., which is headed by Steven Silberberg. 
> (also owns WXRV Haverhill, WNCS Montpeilier VT, and 19 other stations 
> in NH & VT). Reported sale price is $400,000. WVAA was doing bird feed 
> Country when I was last in the Burlington area Labor Day weekend. I 
> wonder what Steven Silberberg will do with WVAA? Another bird feed 
> format? Music or talk?
>
> Mark Watson

The station has a decent daytime signal. Gets down here about 40 mi. 
south with minimal noise.  They were the Vermont Expos station but 
primarily bird country with a local morning show aligned with the same 
country format.  Looks like Radio Vermont might have needed the cash or 
else they just wanted to consilidate to central Vermont (based in 
Waterbury).

Burlington has one local talker in AM drive, WVMT (620 Burlington). Imus 
is on an FM talker, Stern is on a classic rocker.  AA  is on 1060 
(rimshot).  Perhaps another local talker in Burlington in AM drive? It 
could work.  To fill out the schedule, however, there's not much left 
that is worth airing.  The market has no Hannity affiliate. You have to 
pick it up from WGY until 5 and then WABC after that. Dr. Laura and Dr. 
Joy are not in the market (phew).  There's already O'Reilly, Laura 
Ingraham, Don & Mike, Howie Carr, Rush.

Bill O'Neill

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Nov  7 01:32:05 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun Nov  7 01:32:17 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F356sIQrttDRd0003f57d@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY16-F356sIQrttDRd0003f57d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107012921.01f82c40@mail.mac.com>

At 08:30 AM 11/6/2004, Steve West wrote:

>The short answer is, I think AA will survive, even thrive in some markets, 
>while it will end in failure in others, in places like the south which are 
>heavilly Conservative Christian.  AA will likely survive in Boston, 
>Chicago, San Francisco (is there an outlet there?) and the usual liberal 
>places.

I think it's being on the two satellite services will insure it's survival 
(I hope).  There are liberals everywhere, but in some places not enough to 
be a viable audience for local radio stations.


Larry Weil
Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, MO
Wobegone is a state of mind! 


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  7 01:33:08 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Nov  7 01:34:02 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <00a401c4c447$032699c0$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <418D7B54.6202.8CC72F@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2004 at 16:23, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> Jeaneane Garofolo and Rhandi Rhodes have been whining about how the
> eelction was "stolen"...and that there was massive voter fraud and voter
> intimidation...and if they would just COUNT the votes, Kerry could still
> be win!

Since Kerry has conceded the election, there seems to be no effort to ascertain the truth of 
this.  There have also been charges from Republicans of voter fraud.  There are documented 
instances of voter intimidation, particularly in African American and other minority areas.  
Whether it was enough to tip the election, I don't know.  But the press seems to have lost 
interest in finding out.  Nor has there been any explanation for why the exit polling gave a 
result so far different from the actual vote count.  
 
> I mean, c'mon...face reality!  I don't know anyone with half a brain who
> is still pitching a "stolen" election.

There were plenty of problems in certain critical locations, particularly Ohio, Pennsylvania, 
and Florida.  But whether there were enough to amount to a stolen election, nobody really 
knows.  And nobody seems to be looking into it.
 
> "People didn't really mean to vote this way", is another quote.

I agree that, at least the way this is worded, it's pretty dumb.  Assuming (1) that the touch-
screen machines actually recorded votes correctly and (2) there were no problems of ballot 
design (such as the butterfly ballots of 2000), people mean to vote the way they vote.

But people may vote based on false information.  I don't happen to know the source, but 
there is a survey out there  of Bush supporters showing that a majority of them believe that 
weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was actively 
helping Al Qaeda.  
 
> It seems like conspiracy theories abound.  Face the facts...and do some
> analysis.

With that, I quite agree.  I believe in following the facts wherever they lead.  Unfortunately, 
there are partisans on both sides who do not.
 
> If I was an AA host this week...I woulda just let people vent, call and
> express their (hurt) feelings, express their outrage, etc....talk about
> the future, strategy, etc.

Stephanie Miller was doing that the day after election day.  And she must have had a lot of 
calls, too.  I've called her twice before, and it's taken about 15 minutes for me to get on the 
air.  The day after election day, I had to hang up after 45 minutes.
 
> If they want to be the voice of the extreme left...then fine.  But if they
> want to gain more of the mainstream liberal audience, then they need much
> more thought and less idiotic rantings.

Different hosts are different in this.  Some rant more than others.  And since we have some 
absurd right-wing ranters, I don't see why we shouldn't have some on the left, too.
 
> (Rush may have has silly rantings when Clinton was in office, but at least
> he added some humor.)

As does Al Franken -- though his rantings are much more fact-based than most.
 
> Franken just does a radio version of Moore's film.  

Moore's film had its facts fairly well researched, but it also insinuated a lot of things without 
saying them, and many of them are either false or unproven.  Franken generally sticks to 
well-documented facts.  Which is why I like him a lot better than some of the others.  There's 
one guy on in the evening on the Air America Webcast who keeps referring to "the Bush 
crime family."  That goes a little too far in my book.

> I don't think America accepts that george bush is a lying, schemeing,
> money-grubbing, callous, Jesus-freak that the extreme left was making him
> out to be.

Which is unfortunate, since he is exactly that.
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  7 01:33:08 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Nov  7 01:34:13 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <20041106161930.43AAE3998@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <418D7B54.20442.8CC8D7@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2004 at 11:19, Bob Nelson wrote:

> I'm thinking of 1994 when the GOP won one house(or was is both houses)
> of Congress, and you had a Democratic president. Had Air America been
> around then, it could have survived and thrived. 

It was both houses. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov  7 01:33:09 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Nov  7 01:34:16 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <20041106231835.82ED23990@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <418D7B55.2905.8CC99C@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2004 at 18:18, Bob Nelson wrote:

> Saying the election was stolen when there's a 5 million vote margin? Is
> this some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch? :) 

The popular vote means nothing.  Only the electoral vote counts, and the margin Florida and 
Ohio was much closer than that.  
 
> Will the Democrats listen to constructive criticism from a lifelong
> Democrat like Miller, or, four years from now, will we be
> seeing Hillary's concession speech? Everybody makes mistakes;
> the trick for the Democrats is to learn from them.

Frankly, if Hillary is the nominee, we will indeed be seeing her concession speech.  I like her 
and have great respect for her, but she doesn't have Bill's charm, and I can't see her being 
able to be elected.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From fox893@yahoo.com  Sun Nov  7 10:59:28 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Sun Nov  7 10:59:36 2004
Subject: WVAA Burlington VT Sold
In-Reply-To: <007201c4c436$bdd6b720$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <20041107155928.33689.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com>



That actually makes a lot of sense...  I saw an ad on
all access with one of Silverberg's people's email
addresses as the contact person saying they were
looking for someone to do (classic???) country
mornings in Burlington. I asked a friend in the
company about it and he wasn't too sure...
 



--- Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net> wrote:

>   Radio and Records reporting that Radio Vermont
> Group LLC has sold WVAA 
> (1390 Burlington VT) to White Park Broadcasting, a
> subsidiary of Northeast 
> Broadcasting Inc., which is headed by Steven
> Silberberg. (also owns WXRV 
> Haverhill, WNCS Montpeilier VT, and 19 other
> stations in NH & VT). Reported 
> sale price is $400,000. WVAA was doing bird feed
> Country when I was last in 
> the Burlington area Labor Day weekend. I wonder what
> Steven Silberberg will 
> do with WVAA? Another bird feed format? Music or
> talk?
> 
> Mark Watson 
> 
> 
> 



		
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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov  7 12:58:42 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov  7 12:58:54 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041107175842.60FD339AD@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>The popular vote means nothing.  Only the electoral vote counts

I know that, but many in this country (not me) felt that Gore should have been the President in '00 because he did win the popular vote.
(Even though, yes, the Constitution clearly says that isn't the case.) Bush not only winning the popular vote but doing so by a fairly big margin may help to silence those folks.

Run Hillary Run! :)


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From rickkelly@gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 17:50:26 2004
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sun Nov  7 17:50:43 2004
Subject: LTAR Tomorrow (Marathon, Not A Sprint)
In-Reply-To: <20041106232601.6F5363988@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041106232601.6F5363988@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <521b7fd104110714502af4d5f4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat,  6 Nov 2004 18:26:01 -0500 (EST), Bob Nelson
<raccoonradio@myway.com> wrote: regarding a 90 minute LTAR:
 
> And for those like me who tape it for others, get that C-90 in
> your (hopefully auto-reverse) cass. deck (or a mini-disc or
> whatever!)

It must be about time for me to make my annual offer:  if someone
could tape the show for me on a regular basis, I'd be happy to post it
on my web site.  Please contact me if you are interested, you would be
credited on the web site, and of course, I'd secure permission from
Mr. Bittner before I did anything.  Thanks!

-Rick Kelly
www.northeastairchecks.com
From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov  7 18:05:47 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov  7 18:06:01 2004
Subject: LTAR Tomorrow (Marathon, Not A Sprint)
Message-ID: <20041107230547.82FDA3997@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>It must be about time for me to make my annual offer:  if someone could tape the show for me on a regular basis, I'd be happy to post it on my web site.  

I could do that; I have it on good old-fashioned audio cassette
(I have today's plus last month's, both on C-90s). Could transfer
to a mini-disc if needed --don't know if I could do it online;
would just mail to you. Email me with your _snailmail address_
(I shouldn't be saying that--I _work_ for the post office! :) )
if that sounds good to you.

And yes, ask Bob B. before you post it online!

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From rickkelly@gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 22:08:53 2004
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sun Nov  7 22:09:08 2004
Subject: LTAR Tomorrow (Marathon, Not A Sprint)
In-Reply-To: <20041106232601.6F5363988@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041106232601.6F5363988@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <521b7fd104110719082fd7d9f@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Mr. Bittner?  Please
email me off list if you can help me out.  Thanks.

Rick Kelly
www.northeastairchecks.com
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Mon Nov  8 01:46:47 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Nov  8 01:47:35 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <20041107175842.60FD339AD@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>

On 7 Nov 2004 at 12:58, Bob Nelson wrote:

> I know that, but many in this country (not me) felt that Gore should have
> been the President in '00 because he did win the popular vote. (Even
> though, yes, the Constitution clearly says that isn't the case.) Bush not
> only winning the popular vote but doing so by a fairly big margin may help
> to silence those folks.

Many people feel that Gore should have been the President because, if there had been a fair 
vote count in Florida, he would have won the electoral vote.  We probably will never know for 
sure whether this is so, but that is the basis for the belief.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 02:29:14 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Mon Nov  8 02:29:36 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
Message-ID: <016201c4c564$a8496400$1404fea9@xyz>



> Many people feel that Gore should have been the President because, if
there had been a fair
> vote count in Florida, he would have won the electoral vote.


Fair, meaning....count them over and over again, and change the criteria for
counting, until our guy wins.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Nov  8 02:35:40 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon Nov  8 02:36:08 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <016201c4c564$a8496400$1404fea9@xyz>
References: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
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>Joe P. wrote--
>
>Fair, meaning....count them over and over again, and change the criteria for
>counting, until our guy wins.

Not exactly.  Many reputable sources, both moderate Republican and left 
wing Democrat, have acknowledged that there were voter irregularities in 
Florida in 2000-- a government commission even stated that, so it's public 
record.  There absolutely were problems with the vote, and many people 
whose votes weren't counted felt disenfranchised.  I can't blame 
them.  Now, before we end up doing politics again, can we get back to radio?



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 03:00:21 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Mon Nov  8 03:04:20 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20041108023255.0288f718@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <01a001c4c569$01273080$1404fea9@xyz>


> >Fair, meaning....count them over and over again, and change the criteria
for
> >counting, until our guy wins.
>
> Not exactly.  Many reputable sources, both moderate Republican and left
> wing Democrat, have acknowledged that there were voter irregularities in
> Florida in 2000-- a government commission even stated that, so it's public
> record.  There absolutely were problems with the vote...

There are problems with *every* election.  That's public record.

But the votes were counted 3 times in the accepted manner we count votes (by
machine).  And the 'problems' were dealt with with the legal/lawful methods
we have in place to deal with them.

Again, the answer seems to be "change the way you count the votes"...and
"change the method so that our candidate will win."  Or..."lets keep
counting them over and over again until our man wins".

And if there were so many disenfranchised voters in Florida, they certainly
didn't show it this time.  Bush got a higher percentage of Florida this time
than before.

From fox893@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 05:40:05 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Mon Nov  8 05:40:15 2004
Subject: Today Show on Saturday morning
Message-ID: <20041108104005.87854.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com>

Did anyone happen to catch NBC's Today show on
Saturday morning?  There was a bit where Lester Holt
interviewed people from the Rosa Parks estate about
her lawsuit against Outkast for their song Rosa Parks.
 Now, the onyl mention of her in the song is the name
and a vague reference to being sent to the back of the
bus.  But, one of the people being interviewed said
something to the effect of "But the launguage in the
song...  F**k and S**t and all the rest..."  Do they
not run on a delay?



		
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From kingpin@globalcrossing.net  Mon Nov  8 07:14:59 2004
From: kingpin@globalcrossing.net (Michael J.King Sr.)
Date: Mon Nov  8 07:15:28 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
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	<418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
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At 11:46 PM 11/7/2004, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>On 7 Nov 2004 at 12:58, Bob Nelson wrote:
>
> > I know that, but many in this country (not me) felt that Gore should have
> > been the President in '00 because he did win the popular vote. (Even
> > though, yes, the Constitution clearly says that isn't the case.) Bush not
> > only winning the popular vote but doing so by a fairly big margin may help
> > to silence those folks.
>
>Many people feel that Gore should have been the President because, if 
>there had been a fair
>vote count in Florida, he would have won the electoral vote.  We probably 
>will never know for
>sure whether this is so, but that is the basis for the belief.

I seem to recall at least three reputable Florida newspapers counted the 
votes after the elections and found that Bush had indeed won. Not to 
mention it has been four years I think it might be time to let it go and 
move on. Just my thoughts and YMMV.  Later.Mike

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Nov  8 10:34:27 2004
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon Nov  8 10:33:01 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
Message-ID: <006e01c4c5a8$6f0ee040$6401a8c0@LizardHome>

What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald 
by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th on:

WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?


I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History - The History Channel)

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Mon Nov  8 10:38:08 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon Nov  8 10:38:13 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <20041108153808.33BBA3A85@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I seem to recall at least three reputable Florida newspapers counted the votes after the elections and found that Bush had indeed won. Not to mention it has been four years I think it might be time to let it go and move on. Just my thoughts and YMMV.  

Yes; as it is, just taped a half hour of Stephanie Miller (WKOX/
WXKS) for a friend in California and she was talking about
voter fraud/recounts. MoveOn-dot-already...

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From ssmyth@psu.edu  Mon Nov  8 11:10:47 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon Nov  8 11:10:52 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
Message-ID: <200411081610.iA8GAlh29611@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:34:27 +0000, "Roger Kirk" wrote:
> What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald 
> by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th on:
> 
> WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?
> 
> 
> I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History - The History Channel)

What about WBOS? The AA station in Harrisburg has that song in rotation at least
twice a week, it seems.

From pete@partnercomm.com  Mon Nov  8 11:07:33 2004
From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Mon Nov  8 11:21:00 2004
Subject: TiVo for your radio...
Message-ID: <418F99C5.8010405@partnercomm.com>

sorta.

Have a look at the "Radio Shark". This is a USB-connected device that 
enables recording of FM and AM radio. PC and Mac compatible.

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/radioshark/

Allows buffering of live audio, so one can repeat the last few 
sentences, last song, hour, or more of the program to which one is 
listening. Additionally, it can be set (like your VCR) to record a 
particular program (by time, date, duration and frequency - there is no 
program guide information).

Not selling, just thought it was of interest to the group (though still 
of no help to those of us so far away from WJIB).

-Peter

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov  8 11:43:06 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon Nov  8 11:42:24 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <200411081610.iA8GAlh29611@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041108114150.0361c720@gwind.pair.com>


> > What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald
> > by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th on:
> >
> > WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?
> >
> >
> > I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History - The History Channel)

I don't recall which anniversary it was (logic might dictate 20th, in 
1995), but I seem to recall putting together a piece at BZ that used some 
bits of the song and some interviews to tell the story behind the 
anniversary - all in about 55 seconds, of course :-)

s

From fox893@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 13:47:26 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Mon Nov  8 13:47:44 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041108114150.0361c720@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20041108184726.96011.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com>


Oddly enough, I heard that song for the first time in
several years just last night.  It was on WFNK Frank
FM in Portland.  Great tune...  And, with the
exception of Sundown, probably his only known song.



--- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> 
> > > What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund
> Fitzgerald
> > > by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th
> on:
> > >
> > > WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History -
> The History Channel)
> 
> I don't recall which anniversary it was (logic might
> dictate 20th, in 
> 1995), but I seem to recall putting together a piece
> at BZ that used some 
> bits of the song and some interviews to tell the
> story behind the 
> anniversary - all in about 55 seconds, of course :-)
> 
> s
> 
> 



		
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From mamros@MIT.EDU  Mon Nov  8 13:49:01 2004
From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros)
Date: Mon Nov  8 13:49:30 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:10:47 EST."
	<200411081610.iA8GAlh29611@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> 
Message-ID: <200411081849.iA8In1jt000925@grumpy-fuzzball.mit.edu>

>What about WBOS? The AA station in Harrisburg has that song in rotation at
>least twice a week, it seems.

I've never heard Wreck on either of the two area AAA stations (WBOS, WXRV).
Come to think of it, I've never heard any Gordon Lightfoot on either station.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu
From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Nov  8 14:29:43 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon Nov  8 14:29:47 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <016201c4c564$a8496400$1404fea9@xyz>
References: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
	<016201c4c564$a8496400$1404fea9@xyz>
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Hey, folks....

Please keep the discussion on-topic: this is a list about
*broadcasting*; take your political arguments elsewhere.

-GAWollman

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Nov  8 14:45:52 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon Nov  8 14:45:56 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <200411081610.iA8GAlh29611@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>
References: <200411081610.iA8GAlh29611@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>
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<<On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:10:47 -0500 (EST), "Sean Smyth" <ssmyth@psu.edu> said:

["Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"]

> What about WBOS? The AA station in Harrisburg has that song in rotation at least
> twice a week, it seems.

You really can't compare a non-comm AAA like WXPN/WXPH/WKHS to a
commercial outlet.  In my experience, the non-comms are programmed to
maximize TSL, so they generally have more freedom to play stuff that's
borderline out-of-format.  Commercial AAA playlists are much tighter
and unlikely to include anything by Gordon Lightfoot.

-GAWollman

From fox893@yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 14:51:03 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Mon Nov  8 14:51:11 2004
Subject: AAA radio
Message-ID: <20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know who actually started the AAA format? 
Or, who coined the term AAA?



		
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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Nov  8 19:17:29 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon Nov  8 19:17:32 2004
Subject: AAA radio
In-Reply-To: <20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>
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<<On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:51:03 -0800 (PST), Cooper Fox <fox893@yahoo.com> said:

> Does anyone know who actually started the AAA format? 
> Or, who coined the term AAA?

This would seem like a question for Mr. Fybush, but in his absence I
can hazard a few guesses.

The annual convention for AAA programmers is always held in Boulder,
and Boulder's KBCO-FM is one of the heritage stations in the format,
along with Chicago's WXRT.  WBOS was an early adopter, after they
dropped country in the late '80s.  Silberberg's WNCS was doing it
pretty early -- it works well in resort communities, as witness also
WMVY.

On the non-comm side I know rather less.  Many college-affiliated
public radio stations have been doing something akin to AAA for a long
time, usually centered around folk or Americana music (for which
syndicated programming is available in abundance through the public
radio networks); only a few stations have really made a significant
success of it, of which the best-known in the East would be Penn's
WXPN/WXPH/WKHS and Isothermal Community College's WNCW, but there are
a lot more out there, even excluding student-programmed stations.

-GAWollman

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Nov  8 19:39:57 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon Nov  8 19:40:00 2004
Subject: AAA radio
In-Reply-To: <200411090017.iA90HT2t037666@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200411090017.iA90HT2t037666@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <200411090039.iA90dvxq037847@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

A good listing of stations can be found at:

<http://www.triplearadio.com/the_panel/>

Note that not everywho who reports as AAA is necessarily regarded by
everyone else as really being in the format.  For example, WUMB and
WERU are both listed there; although WUMB plays some syndicated AAA
programming, like etown, they are primarily a folk station.  Likewise,
although WERU plays a lot of Americana, they are a block-programmed
community station (just look at their schedule:
<http://www.weru.org/programming.html>) where each volunteer has a
wide latitude in music selection.

-GAWollman

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Nov  8 20:35:14 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Mon Nov  8 20:35:19 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
References: <006e01c4c5a8$6f0ee040$6401a8c0@LizardHome>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Kirk" <rogerkirk@ttlc.net>
To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: 29th Anniversary


> What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald 
> by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th on:
> 
> WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?
> 
> 
> I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History - The History Channel)

The song is in regular rotation at Frank in Portland.


From RBello@BelloAssoc.com  Mon Nov  8 20:45:26 2004
From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Mon Nov  8 20:45:49 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <20041108184726.96011.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041108114150.0361c720@gwind.pair.com>
	<20041108184726.96011.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com>
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Now, now, the guy had a number of Top 40 songs.
If You Could Read My Mind
Carefree Highway
Rainy Day People


At 01:47 PM 11/8/2004, Cooper Fox wrote:

>Oddly enough, I heard that song for the first time in
>several years just last night.  It was on WFNK Frank
>FM in Portland.  Great tune...  And, with the
>exception of Sundown, probably his only known song.
>
>
>
>--- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > > What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund
> > Fitzgerald
> > > > by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th
> > on:
> > > >
> > > > WODS?  WJIB?  WBZ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll guess 0%   95%   50% (This Day In History -
> > The History Channel)
> >
> > I don't recall which anniversary it was (logic might
> > dictate 20th, in
> > 1995), but I seem to recall putting together a piece
> > at BZ that used some
> > bits of the song and some interviews to tell the
> > story behind the
> > anniversary - all in about 55 seconds, of course :-)
> >
> > s
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
>www.yahoo.com
>



From scott@fybush.com  Mon Nov  8 21:47:03 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon Nov  8 21:46:11 2004
Subject: AAA radio
In-Reply-To: <200411090017.iA90HT2t037666@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20041108195103.22432.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com>
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><<On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:51:03 -0800 (PST), Cooper Fox <fox893@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > Does anyone know who actually started the AAA format?
> > Or, who coined the term AAA?
>
>This would seem like a question for Mr. Fybush, but in his absence I
>can hazard a few guesses.

The best I can do, alas, is also to hazard a few guesses. I first recall 
hearing the term in use in the early nineties, around the time that WBOS 
was transforming into something we'd now recognize as AAA.

The earliest commercial AAAs were outgrowths of the progressive/free-form 
"underground" FM rockers of the late 60s/70s; indeed, some were the very 
same stations (WXRT in Chicago, most notably). KPIG in Freedom, California 
also deserves note here, being a spiritual, if not a lineal, descendant of 
the seminal KFAT in Gilroy.

The very earliest mention of AAA that I can find in a Google search of 
Usenet archives was in the fall of 1993; stations mentioned in those early 
threads included KBCO, WXRT, WEHM East Hampton NY, WWCD Columbus OH and 
KQPT Sacramento.

It looks as though there was an article about AAA in Billboard in the first 
or second week of November 1993 that served as something of an introduction 
to the format; I don't have the magazines here from that era. Further, it 
looks as though Billboard changed its "eclectic AOR" chart to "AAA" in 
about that same period.

s

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Nov  8 22:36:46 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com)
Date: Mon Nov  8 22:36:51 2004
Subject: AAA radio
Message-ID: <200411090336.iA93aksu032533@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com>

I thought it was a consultant named Fred Jacobs who came up with the name, to describe a hybrid format he was working on in the early 90s.  But I could be wrong.

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Tue Nov  9 00:13:12 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue Nov  9 00:13:15 2004
Subject: WVAA Burlington VT Sold
In-Reply-To: <20041106232024.505DC3990@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041106232024.505DC3990@mprdmxin.myway.com>
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[Picking up some old mail that I held for later replies...]

<<On Sat,  6 Nov 2004 18:20:24 -0500 (EST), "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@myway.com> said:

> If the signal's better than WVTK (I think those are the calls) 1070,
> maybe they can lure Air America away?

Silberberg owns WTWK anyway, so it wouldn't take any "luring".  Would
seem like a very smart move to me -- 1070 is a nothing signal, and as
Scott pointed out, it would not be the first time programming would
have moved from 1070 to 1390.  (1070 was talk WKDR, which moved over
to the erstwhile WDOT in 1993 when the latter threw in the towel on
oldies after 92.1 Port Henry muscled it out after a big 80-90 upgrade.
WDOT had previously been country before getting muscled out by the
erstwhile WQCR's move from CHR to AC to country.)

> ...If it's music I doubt a format like WXRV would show up on AM.

Particularly since Silberberg has run that format on FM in the market
for more than 15 years.  (Oddly enough I didn't become a fan of the
format until I moved to Boston, even though I had one of the first
stations to do it practically in my back yard.  I was a committed CHR
listener in the '80s, who was a P-1 of WQCR and later WXXX for most of
the decade.  When the urban invasion happened, I nearly stopped
listening to radio entirely for two or three years, still completely
oblivious to WNCS up at the other end of the dial.)

-GAWollman

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov  9 00:29:53 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Nov  9 00:31:34 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <016201c4c564$a8496400$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <41900F81.18340.8D86C8@localhost>

On 8 Nov 2004 at 2:29, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> Fair, meaning....count them over and over again, and change the criteria
> for counting, until our guy wins.

Fair meaning counting the ballots once in which all of the ballots in which the voter's 
intention can be determined are counted.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov  9 00:29:53 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Nov  9 00:32:09 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <01a001c4c569$01273080$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <41900F81.1758.8D87D1@localhost>

On 8 Nov 2004 at 3:00, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> But the votes were counted 3 times in the accepted manner we count votes
> (by machine).  And the 'problems' were dealt with with the legal/lawful
> methods we have in place to deal with them.

That is not the accepted manner.  The accepted manner is counting every ballot in which the 
voter's intention can be determined.  Until the Supreme Court ruled otherwise, that was the 
uniform rule throughout the country.  
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Nov  9 00:29:53 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Nov  9 00:32:21 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20041108051056.0037fc00@127.0.0.1>
References: <418ED007.11173.A77F4F@localhost>
Message-ID: <41900F81.2923.8D8826@localhost>

On 8 Nov 2004 at 5:14, Michael J.King Sr. wrote:

> I seem to recall at least three reputable Florida newspapers counted the
> votes after the elections and found that Bush had indeed won. Not to
> mention it has been four years I think it might be time to let it go and
> move on. Just my thoughts and YMMV.  Later.Mike

My understanding was that they found that if the votes were counted the way Gore wanted, 
Bush won.  But if the votes were counted the way the Florida Supreme Court ordered, then it 
would depend on the decision of the judge supervising the count as to how certain disputed 
ballots were to be counted.

Gore only asked for a recount in certain counties where he thought he was strong.  The 
Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount, under the supervision of a single judge, 
so that there would be a single set of criteria for all ballots.  The US Supreme Court blocked 
that recount on the ground that there were no uniform criteria.

Stephanie Miller this morning gave a couple of Websites concerning the issue of the validity 
of the vote count this time:  http://blackboxvoting.org and http://stolenelection2000.com .  
The latter is still under construction.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 01:24:29 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Tue Nov  9 01:25:07 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <41900F81.1758.8D87D1@localhost>
Message-ID: <014b01c4c624$c9423c20$1404fea9@xyz>

From: "A. Joseph Ross"

> > But the votes were counted 3 times in the accepted manner we count votes
> > (by machine).  And the 'problems' were dealt with with the legal/lawful
> > methods we have in place to deal with them.
>
> That is not the accepted manner.  The accepted manner is counting every
ballot in which the
> voter's intention can be determined.

The accepted practice is to put them in a machine and let the machine count
them.  That's how we determine the voters intention.

It was done 3 times.

> > Fair, meaning....count them over and over again, and change the criteria
> > for counting, until our guy wins.
>
> Fair meaning counting the ballots once in which all of the ballots in
which the voter's
> intention can be determined are counted.

Yeah, second guessing who they *really* wanted to vote for...Now that's
fair, isn't it?

The manner in which we detremine the voters intention is by machine.  It's
fair becuase the machine doesn't have any political agenda.  It counts ALL
of the ballots with the same criteria.

>>But if the votes were counted the way the Florida Supreme Court ordered,
then it
would depend on the decision of the judge supervising the count as to how
certain disputed
ballots were to be counted.
<<

Thats what people didn't want....an *interpretation* of how certain ballots
were to be counted.

>>The US Supreme Court blocked
that recount on the ground that there were no uniform criteria.<<

Exactly.

>> Stephanie Miller this morning gave a couple of Websites concerning the
issue of the validity
>> of the vote count this time:  http://blackboxvoting.org and
http://stolenelection2000.com .

There has never been a shortage of conspiracy theories.  You can believe
them if you like.

Now, turning this back to broadcasting, do you think the media did it's job?


From steveord@bit-net.com  Tue Nov  9 07:34:37 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue Nov  9 07:34:31 2004
Subject: AAA radio
In-Reply-To: <200411090336.iA93aksu032533@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com>
References: <200411090336.iA93aksu032533@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041109073044.01bd75e8@pop3.bit-net.com>

dlh@donnahalper.com wrote:
>I thought it was a consultant named Fred Jacobs who came up with the name, 
>to describe a hybrid format he was working on in the early 90s.  But I 
>could be wrong.


John Sebastian (the same guy who brought tight-playlisted AOR to WCOZ) had 
a format he called "EOR" (Eclectic Oriented Rock) around that time.  Is 
that what you were thinking of?   IIRC he consulted a station in Baltimore 
or Washington, D.C. and installed the format there...don't think his 
version caught on.



From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Nov  9 12:44:38 2004
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue Nov  9 12:29:41 2004
Subject: 29th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <20041108184726.96011.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDB66C35.1FA1%elipolo@earthlink.net>

On 11/8/04 1:47 PM, "Cooper Fox" <fox893@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oddly enough, I heard that song for the first time in
> several years just last night.  It was on WFNK Frank
> FM in Portland.  Great tune...  And, with the
> exception of Sundown, probably his only known song.

"If You Could Read My Mind" was a #5 national pop hit in
1971, still occasionally played on Oldies stations (WODS),
Classic Hits stations (WROR, WBOQ), soft AC stations (WMJX,
etc...) and Easy Listening stations (WPLM, WJIB).

"Carefree Highway" (#10, 1974) also still pops up once in
a while these days, I've also heard it on WJIB.

Lightfoot has also written songs that have become standards
in folk music circles, such as his 1964 "Early Morning Rain",
which was covered by dozens of folk artists including Dylan.

Eli Polonsky

> 
> --- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> What are the odds that The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald
>> by Gordon Lightfoot.will be played November 10th

From nostaticatall@comcast.net  Tue Nov  9 13:28:02 2004
From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue Nov  9 13:28:17 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20041105224545.01bb2b70@pop3.bit-net.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20041105224545.01bb2b70@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <1748E827-327D-11D9-BA8D-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>

Why should AA back off on the "shrill rhetoric?"  Michael Savage's 
whole "schtick" is shrill rhetoric from the conservative viewpoint, and 
he's beating Brudnoy.  Heck, Limboob focused in on beating up on Bill 
Clinton every day from the time he emerged as a viable Democratic 
candidate back in 1991 right up until two years AFTER he left office!  
Just as Clinton is a polarizing personality among right wingers, George 
W. Bush fills the same role among liberals and progressives.  Right now 
Bush is the basis for liberal anger and Air America is tuned in to 
their constituency.  Unlike several years back, conservative talk has 
moved further and further to the right as it stays in step with the 
Republican party.  There is no "moderate" political talk anymore.  Air 
America is offering a strong, contrary point of view and it's building 
it's brand to progressives.  At this point, it shouldn't change a 
thing.

--Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Nov 5, 2004, at 10:55 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> I agree with the other posters.  AA has to move beyond being merely 
> the "Bush sucks" network, and develop itself into a network providing 
> entertaining talk hosts who just happen to see things a bit 
> differently than most current syndicated talk hosts do.  A one-trick 
> pony ain't gonna cut it.   If AA steps back, tones down the shrill 
> rhetoric a bit and develops a solid line-up of talk hosts (maybe even 
> cut back from trying to provide 18 hr/day temporarily) there's no 
> reason they can't succeed.

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 13:55:17 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Tue Nov  9 13:55:41 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com><6.0.3.0.0.20041105224545.01bb2b70@pop3.bit-net.com>
	<1748E827-327D-11D9-BA8D-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008c01c4c68d$a9e8a120$1404fea9@xyz>

From: "David Tomm" 



> Why should AA back off on the "shrill rhetoric?"  

Because they are outside the mainstream.

> Michael Savage's 
> whole "schtick" is shrill rhetoric from the conservative viewpoint, and 
> he's beating Brudnoy.  

No he doesn't.

Summer ratings(nites) 25-54:

WBZ -     2.8 (10th place)
WRKO - 2.7 (11th place)

12+:

WBZ - 9.2
WRKO - 5.1

I think in younger people, they may be neck and neck....But with all
listenrs WBZ definitely wipes out RKO at night.

> There is no "moderate" political talk anymore.  Air 
> America is offering a strong, contrary point of view and it's building 
> it's brand to progressives.  At this point, it shouldn't change a 
> thing.

If they want to be taken seriously they should.

If they want to be the Lyndon Larouche of radio, then so be it.


From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Tue Nov  9 14:13:16 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (mlaurence@mindspring.com)
Date: Tue Nov  9 14:13:22 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <5092421.1100027596339.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

I agree with most of what David Tomm says.  The key to Air America's success is to be strong and forceful.  But there's one factual error worth correcting:

> Michael Savage's whole "schtick" is shrill rhetoric from the 
> conservative viewpoint, and he's beating Brudnoy.

No, he's not.

In a 2-station race going back 5 books, WBZ defeats WRKO in all 5.  Add WTKK for a 3 station race, and WRKO runs last in every one of the last 5 books.  Add WEEI for a 4 station race, and WRKO with Savage runs last every time except Winter 2003, when they finished 3rd, 0.1 ahead of WEEI but 2.3 behind #1 talker WBZ.

The big story in Summer 2004 was Red Sox baseball, which propelled WEEI to a huge #1 share at night.  Brudnoy lost half his audience in what looks like a flukey book, but Savage did not pick up those numbers, he lost audience too.

Those are 25-54 numbers.  If you look at 12+, Savage climbs ahead of WTKK but WBZ is the strong #1 talker at night.  Even in Summer 2004 Savage has less than half Brudnoy's numbers.  Over 5 books, Savage never comes close to Brudnoy.

Mark Laurence



From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Nov  9 14:15:38 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue Nov  9 14:15:42 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <008c01c4c68d$a9e8a120$1404fea9@xyz>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20041105224545.01bb2b70@pop3.bit-net.com>
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	<008c01c4c68d$a9e8a120$1404fea9@xyz>
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On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, at 01:58PM, Joseph Pappalardo <joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

>From: "David Tomm" 
>
>
>
>> Why should AA back off on the "shrill rhetoric?"  
>
>Because they are outside the mainstream.

So what!  Even if that were true, is only what you consider to be "the mainstream" to be allowed?


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 14:28:02 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Tue Nov  9 14:28:26 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041105150057.02baa170@pop.registeredsite.com><6.0.3.0.0.20041105224545.01bb2b70@pop3.bit-net.com><1748E827-327D-11D9-BA8D-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net><008c01c4c68d$a9e8a120$1404fea9@xyz>
	<6943819.1100027738389.JavaMail.kc1ih@mac.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c4c692$3cc9cec0$1404fea9@xyz>


From: "Larry Weil"

> >> Why should AA back off on the "shrill rhetoric?"
> >
> >Because they are outside the mainstream.
>
> So what!  Even if that were true, is only what you consider to be "the
mainstream" to be allowed?


No, but like I said, if they want to be the "Lyndon Larouche" of radio, then
go for it!

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Nov  9 15:30:13 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Nov  9 15:29:20 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>

According to today's FCC Daily Digest, WPAA's license has been cancelled 
and its callsign deleted, after - and I quote - "Licensee indicates off air 
12 consecutive months."

Even given the political connections that the licensee in question appears 
to have, that particular cause for license deletion is as close to a "death 
penalty" situation as the FCC has. Prior appeals of similar deletions have 
been met with the response that such license cancellations are mandated by 
a congressional act - which indeed they are - and that the FCC's hands are 
tied.

One now wonders whether WUML, WMWM or WNEF will rush to take advantage of 
the situation...

s

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Nov  9 17:23:16 2004
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue Nov  9 17:23:21 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41914354.503@gabrielmass.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:
> According to today's FCC Daily Digest, WPAA's license has been cancelled 
> and its callsign deleted, after - and I quote - "Licensee indicates off 
> air 12 consecutive months."
> 
> Even given the political connections that the licensee in question 
> appears to have, that particular cause for license deletion is as close 
> to a "death penalty" situation as the FCC has.


The cynics will say it's typical of Washington to hold back the bad news until 
after the election: after all, the Massachusetts vote was so close!  :-)

But all is not lost: the Andover kids can always get into the streaming Internet 
audio business.

--RC

From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 18:53:50 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Tue Nov  9 18:53:54 2004
Subject: GONE!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20041109235350.80948.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com>

The last two times I tuned into the LP 102.9 in Londonderry NH, I heard
just dead air (for at least 5 minutes each time). Tonight I only hearing
WBLM 102.9 Portland, no sign of the LP station. I going to assume this is
just temporary, I have to check with my niece who mentioned she was going
to take a class involving the radio station.


John B
Derry

From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov  9 16:44:15 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov  9 20:11:40 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
Message-ID: <20041109214415.86541E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:30:13 -0500

> 
> According to today's FCC Daily Digest, WPAA's license has been cancelled 
> and its callsign deleted, after - and I quote - "Licensee indicates off air 
> 12 consecutive months."
> 
> Even given the political connections that the licensee in question appears 
> to have, that particular cause for license deletion is as close to a "death 
> penalty" situation as the FCC has. Prior appeals of similar deletions have 
> been met with the response that such license cancellations are mandated by 
> a congressional act - which indeed they are - and that the FCC's hands are 
> tied.
> 
> One now wonders whether WUML, WMWM or WNEF will rush to take advantage of 
> the situation...
> 
> s
I posted to this site several months ago a message to the effect that the land
on which the WPAA transmitter building and its puny "tower" had been cleared of
all those structures.  The last time I visited that section of the campus, nothing
identifiable had gone up...there was just a melange of construction vehicles and
random detritus.  Of course, prior to that, WPAA had been "broadcasting"
an unmodulated carrier for months, 7 days a week, day and night, even during holiday
and vacation periods.  That alone should have disqualified them as a licensee.
As far as stations on the same and adjacent channels undertaking facilities changes,
all you have to do is observe how long it has taken WBUR to effect the CP it's
had for eons!

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From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Nov  9 20:23:28 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Nov  9 20:23:46 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
In-Reply-To: <20041109214415.86541E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041109214415.86541E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <41916D90.9060809@shoreham.net>


Laurence Glavin wrote:

>The last time I visited that section of the campus, nothing
>identifiable had gone up...there was just a melange of construction vehicles and
>random detritus.  
>
So, Laurence, random detritus?  Melange?  I can only imagine your 
travelogue on the Mayan ruins. Put me down for a copy.  You gotta admit 
that there's nothing that comes close to the awesome beauty of a melange 
of construction vehicles.  Love that smell of diesel in the morning.  
And that detritus?  They have a convenient salve for that. <g>

Bill O'Neill
Shoreham, Vermont
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 10 01:29:13 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov 10 01:30:11 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41916EE9.29136.7BBE02@localhost>

On 9 Nov 2004 at 15:30, Scott Fybush wrote:

> According to today's FCC Daily Digest, WPAA's license has been cancelled
> and its callsign deleted, after - and I quote - "Licensee indicates off
> air 12 consecutive months."
> 
> Even given the political connections that the licensee in question appears
> to have, that particular cause for license deletion is as close to a
> "death penalty" situation as the FCC has. Prior appeals of similar
> deletions have been met with the response that such license cancellations
> are mandated by a congressional act - which indeed they are - and that the
> FCC's hands are tied.
 
Er, who's WPAA and who is its politically-connected licensee?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 10 01:29:14 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov 10 01:31:19 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <014b01c4c624$c9423c20$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <41916EEA.5129.7BBF8D@localhost>

On 9 Nov 2004 at 1:24, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> The accepted practice is to put them in a machine and let the machine
> count them.  That's how we determine the voters intention.
 
No it is not.  The accepted practice is to count the ballots accurately.

For example, in the 1996 Democratic primary in the 10th Congressional District in 
Massachusetts, a number of ballots, mostly in Weymouth, were not counted by the machine 
because of hanging chads.  The result was that Phillip Johnston was declared the winner.  
His opponent, William Delahunt, brought suit, and the Supreme Judicial Court ruled that if 
the machines didn't count those ballots, they were to be counted by hand.  It also ruled that 
a vote should be recorded for a candidate if a discernable stylus impression was made on or 
near the chad for that candidate, even though the chad was not removed.  The Court 
concluded:

"We find unpersuasive Johnston's contention that many voters started to express a 
preference in the congressional contest, made an impression on a punch card, but pulled the 
stylus back because they really did not want to express a choice on that contest. The large 
number of ballots with discernible impressions makes such an inference unwarranted, 
especially in a hotly contested election.  

"It is, of course, true that a voter who failed to push a stylus through the ballot and thereby 
create a hole in it could have done a better job of expressing his or her intent. Such a voter 
should not automatically be disqualified, however, like a litigant or one seeking favors from 
the government, because he or she failed to comply strictly with announced procedures. The 
voters are the owners of the government, and our rule that we seek to discern the voter's 
intention and to give it effect reflects the proper relation between government and those to 
whom it is responsible."  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 10 01:29:14 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov 10 01:33:22 2004
Subject: Election coverage
Message-ID: <41916EEA.24431.7BBFF1@localhost>

Stephanie Miller this morning gave another Website on the 2004 election: 
http://stolenelection2004.com .  I think this is the one she meant yesterday, when she gave 
"stolenelection2000.com."

I understand that MSNBC has become the first television network to start to pick up this 
story.  There apparently are a number of documented malfunctions of the touch-screen 
systems, as well as widespread incidents of dropping valid voters from voter lists.  The most 
dramatic seems to be Franklin County, Ohio, where electronic voting machines gave Bush 
4,258 votes to Kerry's 260 votes in one precinct,  while only 638 voters cast ballots in that 
precinct. 

I don't know whether this is fraud or equipment failure, and I doubt that enough can be found 
to change the result, even if it exists.  But it still needs investigating, and it deserves 
coverage by the media.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Nov 10 01:58:15 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Nov 10 01:59:03 2004
Subject: Election issues on BBC
Message-ID: <419175B7.29821.9651F4@localhost>

The BBC World Service has now begun to cover the issues around the election 
descrepencies.  It seems Ralph Nader has called for a complete hand count in New 
Hampshire and Ohio.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 10 02:00:46 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Wed Nov 10 02:01:17 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <41916EEA.5129.7BBF8D@localhost>
Message-ID: <002901c4c6f3$047efc00$1404fea9@xyz>


> On 9 Nov 2004 at 1:24, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:
> 
> > The accepted practice is to put them in a machine and let the machine
> > count them.  That's how we determine the voters intention.
>  
> No it is not.  The accepted practice is to count the ballots accurately.
> 

And the accepted practice to count them accurately is a machine.

Is done all over the place as common practice...and accepted as accurate.

Machines are politcally blind....and have no interest in the outcome.

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Wed Nov 10 01:57:44 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Wed Nov 10 02:01:21 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041109152701.0365c780@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <002801c4c6f3$044ca160$1404fea9@xyz>


From: "Scott Fybush"

> According to today's FCC Daily Digest, WPAA's license has been cancelled
> and its callsign deleted, after - and I quote - "Licensee indicates off
air
> 12 consecutive months."
>
> Even given the political connections that the licensee in question appears
> to have, that particular cause for license deletion is as close to a
"death
> penalty" situation as the FCC has.

Merrimack College had it's license deleted as well years ago.

I think this says something about young people...and how little interest
they have in radio.

It must seem like "ancient technology" to them.

...and I would guess they haven't been exposed to any programming that
"wowed" them and could inspire them to do something valuable with airtime.


From raccoonradio@myway.com  Wed Nov 10 03:34:25 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed Nov 10 03:34:42 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
Message-ID: <20041110083425.253213A06@mprdmxin.myway.com>


WPAA is (or was...) out of Phillips Academy in Andover and I believe George H.W. Bush went to school there. The school has a "sister" school (at least it seems that way from the name) in Exeter, NH,
and Phillips Exeter Academy has/had WPEA-FM.


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From billo@shoreham.net  Wed Nov 10 06:50:45 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed Nov 10 06:50:54 2004
Subject: WPAA - GONE!
In-Reply-To: <41916EE9.29136.7BBE02@localhost>
References: <41916EE9.29136.7BBE02@localhost>
Message-ID: <41920095.3090808@shoreham.net>



A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>Er, who's WPAA and who is its politically-connected licensee?
>
>  
>
That would  be Phillips Academy Andover.  Some men named Kennedy, Bush, 
and a few others were known to have attended, along with a likely host 
of families who are wont to policymaking.

Bill O'Neill
From radiotony@comcast.net  Wed Nov 10 06:56:34 2004
From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella)
Date: Wed Nov 10 06:56:43 2004
Subject: Election coverage
References: <41916EEA.24431.7BBFF1@localhost>
Message-ID: <002301c4c71c$5447cd60$6400a8c0@tony>

A couple of things. First, keeping with the radio 
list theme, Donna asked what people's thoughts 
were about Air America. Here is a good example of 
how they, liberal bloggers, and Web sites, are 
shaping the news or at least attempting to 
influence the news. While conservative radio hosts 
are talking about Bush's mandate and Arlen 
Specter's liberal tendencies, AA and others are 
questioning machine problems and vote results. 
Some of the non-news orgs have raised some 
interesting questions about the results.
But legit news orgs are finally talking about 
machine problems: 4,000 votes unaccounted for in 
Sharon, Penn., machines problems in Charlotte, 
10,000 ballots thrown out in New Mexico, Columbus, 
Ohio machines showing skewered numbers, in 
counties throughout Florida, results for president 
added up to more votes than actual ballots cast, 
tens of thousands of votes disappear from machines 
in LaPorte County, Ind., more than 10,000 extra 
votes in Sarpy County, Neb., etc. I don't believe 
that all of it is fraud but since no one can look 
inside the machines and many of these states don't 
have non-candidate recount laws, no one will ever 
really know.
However, on a political note, the election 
shouldn't be over yet. In Ohio, more than 92,000 
punch-card ballots were note counted, according to 
Cleveland Plains Dealer. More than 155,000 
provisional ballots have yet to be counted, if 
they ever will be. Kerry lost by less than 70,000 
votes [Bush's 136,000 lead dropped to 
133,000-change due to a machine glitch]. Do the 
math. Sure, Kerry has to win 75 percent of the 
punch-card ballots to win but that isn't 
impossible.
After promising to make sure every vote was 
counted, Kerry conceded. It was a big mistake.

Best,
Tony Schinella
radiotony@comcast.net
http://politizine.blogspot.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:29 AM
Subject: Election coverage


> Stephanie Miller this morning gave another 
> Website on the 2004 election:
> http://stolenelection2004.com .  I think this is 
> the one she meant yesterday, when she gave
> "stolenelection2000.com."
>
> I understand that MSNBC has become the first 
> television network to start to pick up this
> story.  There apparently are a number of 
> documented malfunctions of the touch-screen
> systems, as well as widespread incidents of 
> dropping valid voters from voter lists.  The 
> most
> dramatic seems to be Franklin County, Ohio, 
> where electronic voting machines gave Bush
> 4,258 votes to Kerry's 260 votes in one 
> precinct,  while only 638 voters cast ballots in 
> that
> precinct.
>
> I don't know whether this is fraud or equipment 
> failure, and I doubt that enough can be found
> to change the result, even if it exists.  But it 
> still needs investigating, and it deserves
> coverage by the media.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 
> 617.367.0468
> 15 Court Square, Suite 210 
> lawyer@attorneyross.com
> Boston, MA 02108-2503 
> http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
> 

From sid.whitaker@unh.edu  Wed Nov 10 09:18:10 2004
From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Sid Whitaker)
Date: Wed Nov 10 09:18:15 2004
Subject: Prep school radio
In-Reply-To: <41920095.3090808@shoreham.net>
References: <41916EE9.29136.7BBE02@localhost> <41920095.3090808@shoreham.net>
Message-ID: <1100096290.41922322eebd6@webmail.unh.edu>



The demise of WPAA (due to lack of student interest, I presume?) raises some
questions about the future of over-the-air prep-school radio stations. The
faculty advisor at WNMH (Northfield Mt. Hermon School, Northfield, Mass.) told
me that almost all students bring MP3 players with them and rely on the web for
their satisfying their musical desires. Apparently it's rare to see a radio in
a dorm room these days. (I feel old!) The feeling there is that WNMH will need
a streaming-audio presence on the web to remain viable as a student-run and
funded organization. He also said that another western-Mass. prep-school
station, WGAJ Deerfield (Deerfield Academy), is rarely on the air, presumably
because few students are interested.

However, he did say that interest in doing a show or working at WNMH remains
very high, with 200 students a semester vying for 30 or 40 on-air shifts.


Sid Whitaker
Portland, Me.

From sid@wrko.com  Wed Nov 10 10:14:57 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Wed Nov 10 10:21:11 2004
Subject: Prep school radio
Message-ID: <s191ea2d.004@entercom.com>

>>The demise of WPAA (due to lack of student interest, I presume?)
raises some questions about the future of over-the-air prep-school radio
stations.<<

It should be raising some questions about the future of the entire
radio business.  I'm on a college campus every week, and have been for
the past 20 years, as the contract engineer for the Framingham State
station )(WDJM).  I see how college students get their entertainment,
and I can tell you that radio is no longer a part of that equation. 
iPod, portable CD players and to a lesser extent satellite radio are how
they get their music.  Once this generation, without the radio habit,
moves into adult demos, particularly 25-54, radio is going to take a hit
it may well not recover from, unless it abandons its protectionist
attitudes and starts figuring out how to remake itself.  If it doesn't,
it will find itself increasingly irrelevant in the next decade.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com
From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Wed Nov 10 16:47:35 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Wed Nov 10 16:47:41 2004
Subject: Prep school radio
Message-ID: <200411101647.AA2714697920@mail.ttlc.net>

"Sid Schweiger" wrote:
>It should be raising some questions about the future of the entire
>radio business.  ...I see how college students get their entertainment,
>and I can tell you that radio is no longer a part of that equation. 
>iPod, portable CD players and to a lesser extent satellite radio are 
>how they get their music.  Once this generation, without the radio 
>habit, moves into adult demos, particularly 25-54, radio is going to 
>take a hit it may well not recover from...

The experts have been telling us for years that small playlists and looooong commercial breaks are "the way (the truth and the life)."  Have we sold our souls for a handful of gold?


From lglavin@lycos.com  Wed Nov 10 16:52:26 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed Nov 10 16:52:37 2004
Subject: Election coverage
Message-ID: <20041110215226.8546CC610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "tony schinella" <radiotony@comcast.net>
>To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
>Subject: Re: Election coverage
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:56:34 -0500

> More than 155,000 
> provisional ballots have yet to be counted, if 
> they ever will be. Kerry lost by less than 70,000 
> votes [Bush's 136,000 lead dropped to 
> 133,000-change due to a machine glitch]. Do the 
> math. Sure, Kerry has to win 75 percent of the 
> punch-card ballots to win but that isn't 
> impossible.
> After promising to make sure every vote was 
> counted, Kerry conceded. It was a big mistake.
> 

Is a concession legally binding?  If some radio-TV station 
or a paper like the Cleveland PlainWrapper uncovered 
malfeasance and nonfeasance that ultimately turned
around the Ohio vote count, would the Secret Service
dispatch some agents to surround Kerry?

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From billo@shoreham.net  Wed Nov 10 17:15:00 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed Nov 10 17:15:08 2004
Subject: Prep school radio
In-Reply-To: <200411101647.AA2714697920@mail.ttlc.net>
References: <200411101647.AA2714697920@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <419292E4.1000004@shoreham.net>

rogerkirk wrote:

>The experts have been telling us for years that small playlists and looooong commercial breaks are "the way (the truth and the life)."  Have we sold our souls for a handful of gold?
>
>  
>
Ya think?  The greatest mistake of all has been playing fast and loose 
with the title, "expert", often self-appointed.

I envision commercial radio (those that decide to survive) sounding more 
like satellite radio, with minimal breaks, minimal interruptions, 
creative ways to sponsor time....  Radio has to grow up as the surviving 
demos do. 

Bill O'Neill
From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 01:40:50 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Thu Nov 11 01:41:24 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <41916EEA.5129.7BBF8D@localhost>
	<002901c4c6f3$047efc00$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <020001c4c7b9$6422dca0$1404fea9@xyz>

Someone was having trouble posting to the list...so I am posting this for
them...

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:39 AM
Subject: Fw: Air America

NPR did a great story today covering the election challenges.

The cover the Diebold issue...as well as the issue of more votes cast than
registered voters.  It's available here:

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4163625

Good listening.  It's only about 4 1/2 minutes.



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 11 01:43:14 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Nov 11 01:48:18 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <002901c4c6f3$047efc00$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <4192C3B2.30906.E5722B@localhost>

On 10 Nov 2004 at 2:00, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> And the accepted practice to count them accurately is a machine.
> Is done all over the place as common practice...and accepted as accurate.
> Machines are politcally blind....and have no interest in the outcome.

That is only so if the machine count is accurate.  When we see that it isn't, we do it by 
hand.  This had been undisputed election law from the start of machine voting until 2000.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 11 01:43:14 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Nov 11 01:48:22 2004
Subject: Election coverage
In-Reply-To: <20041110215226.8546CC610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4192C3B2.516.E57299@localhost>

On 10 Nov 2004 at 16:52, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Is a concession legally binding?  If some radio-TV station 
> or a paper like the Cleveland PlainWrapper uncovered 
> malfeasance and nonfeasance that ultimately turned
> around the Ohio vote count, would the Secret Service
> dispatch some agents to surround Kerry?

Concession is just a speech.  I don't think it will happen, but If in fact the Ohio vote count got 
turned around, and the Supreme Court didn't reverse it, Kerry would be taking the oath of 
office next January.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 01:55:10 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Thu Nov 11 01:55:41 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <4192C3B2.30906.E5722B@localhost>
Message-ID: <023901c4c7bb$64d97080$1404fea9@xyz>


> On 10 Nov 2004 at 2:00, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:
>
> > And the accepted practice to count them accurately is a machine.
> > Is done all over the place as common practice...and accepted as
accurate.
> > Machines are politcally blind....and have no interest in the outcome.
>
> That is only so if the machine count is accurate.  When we see that it
isn't, we do it by
> hand.


Second guessing the voters intent.  Now THAT's accurate.

From brouder@juno.com  Thu Nov 11 08:13:39 2004
From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:14:45 2004
Subject: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
Message-ID: <20041111.051359.6973.174695@webmail13.lax.untd.com>


There's just over a day left to bid on a lot of promotional photos and scrapbooks that appear to have been part of Dick Richmond's estate.  The eBay listing says there are 39 8x10" contact sheets and 18 5x7" glossies.  The timeframe looks to be mid 1970s.  The only staff photo I recognize is Avi Nelson, but others may be able to pick out additional WMEX personnel.

The starting bid is $149.99 and as of eight o'clock Thursday morning there haven't been any bidders.

Ed Brouder
Man From Mars Productions
(http:www.manfrommars.com)

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From sid@wrko.com  Thu Nov 11 08:39:15 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:39:41 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <s1932547.004@entercom.com>

>>That is only so if the machine count is accurate.  When we see that it
isn't, we do it by hand.<<

Only problem is, as multiple news organizations have reported, and as
CBS' 60 Minutes adequately demonstrated, many of the newer
computer-based voting machines do not produce a paper trail or any other
sort of independently verifiable count.  A recount, in those cases,
would be simply asking the machine to regurgitate the exact same numbers
it spit out the first time.  I can't speak for anyone else, but to me
that's not a recount.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com
From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 15:09:49 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Thu Nov 11 15:10:40 2004
Subject: Fw: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
Message-ID: <002801c4c82a$67ea3380$1404fea9@xyz>




 I didn't see the link listed on your post...but here it is.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14280&item=6935041714&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


> > There's just over a day left to bid on a lot of promotional photos and
> scrapbooks that appear to have been part of Dick Richmond's estate.  The
> eBay listing says there are 39 8x10" contact sheets and 18 5x7" glossies.
> The timeframe looks to be mid 1970s.  The only staff photo I recognize is
> Avi Nelson, but others may be able to pick out additional WMEX personnel.
> >
> > The starting bid is $149.99 and as of eight o'clock Thursday morning
there
> haven't been any bidders.

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Nov 11 15:58:12 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Nov 11 15:58:16 2004
Subject: Fw: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
Message-ID: <200411111558.AA120193078@mail.ttlc.net>

>The only staff photo I recognize is Avi Nelson, but others may be able 
>to pick out additional WMEX personnel.
>
>The starting bid is $149.99 and as of eight o'clock Thursday morning
>there haven't been any bidders.

I recognize the faces of a couple of the people, but the name remains a mystery.  If I had the $$, I'd bid in a heartbeat.  Anybody wanna go in on the collection?

Love the headline that proclaims "WJIB - A Ratings Winner"

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov 11 18:37:44 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:38:02 2004
Subject: AAA radio
References: <200411090336.iA93aksu032533@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20041109073044.01bd75e8@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c4c847$71782930$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

Wasn't the format also called "new AC' for awhile in the late 80's?  I think 
that was what it was called when WCLZ adopted the format in 1986.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov 11 18:50:03 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:50:07 2004
Subject: Air America
References: <s1932547.004@entercom.com>
Message-ID: <013f01c4c849$29fc39a0$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

> Only problem is, as multiple news organizations have reported, and as
> CBS' 60 Minutes adequately demonstrated, many of the newer
> computer-based voting machines do not produce a paper trail or any other
> sort of independently verifiable count.  A recount, in those cases,
> would be simply asking the machine to regurgitate the exact same numbers
> it spit out the first time.  I can't speak for anyone else, but to me
> that's not a recount.

We have used voting machines in this country for a hundred years that don't 
produce a paper trail.  New York still uses mechanical voting machines where 
one votes by making ones choices with switches and then pulling a lever. 
Nobody ever complained about the use of these machines.  They are mechanical 
and not run by computers but lots of things can go wrong with simple 
machines.


From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov 11 18:56:33 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:55:47 2004
Subject: AAA radio
In-Reply-To: <00f701c4c847$71782930$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>
References: <200411090336.iA93aksu032533@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20041109073044.01bd75e8@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041111185502.039eeda8@gwind.pair.com>

At 06:37 PM 11/11/2004 -0500, Daniel Billings wrote:
>Wasn't the format also called "new AC' for awhile in the late 80's?  I 
>think that was what it was called when WCLZ adopted the format in 1986.

"New adult contemporary" or "NAC" was a phrase that was indeed bandied 
about, but for the format that evolved into today's smooth jazz. I think at 
least one of the charts for that format still calls it "Jazz/NAC"...

s

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 11 18:57:44 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:58:49 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <s1932547.004@entercom.com>
Message-ID: <4193B628.25574.22DCDC@localhost>

On 11 Nov 2004 at 6:39, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> Only problem is, as multiple news organizations have reported, and as CBS'
> 60 Minutes adequately demonstrated, many of the newer computer-based
> voting machines do not produce a paper trail or any other sort of
> independently verifiable count.  A recount, in those cases, would be
> simply asking the machine to regurgitate the exact same numbers it spit
> out the first time.  I can't speak for anyone else, but to me that's not a
> recount.

Quite so.  Which is why those machines ought not to have been used without paper backup. 
Computers don't make mistakes?  We all know better.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Nov 11 18:57:44 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:58:53 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <023901c4c7bb$64d97080$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <4193B628.13283.22DC5B@localhost>

On 11 Nov 2004 at 1:55, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> Second guessing the voters intent.  Now THAT's accurate.

Now this is just getting silly.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Thu Nov 11 19:24:56 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu Nov 11 19:25:01 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <4193B628.13283.22DC5B@localhost>
References: <023901c4c7bb$64d97080$1404fea9@xyz>
	<4193B628.13283.22DC5B@localhost>
Message-ID: <200411120024.iAC0OuqL080121@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:57:44 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 11 Nov 2004 at 1:55, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:
>> Second guessing the voters intent.  Now THAT's accurate.

> Now this is just getting silly.

It's also getting off-topic.  Please stop.

-GAWollman

From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 19:35:04 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Thu Nov 11 19:35:10 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
Message-ID: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>

WMUR-TV Channel 9 Manchester NH announced in their 6:00pm newscast that
both they and Channel 5 Boston would not be showing Saving Private Ryan
tonight. To cut to the chase, they were worried about swear words before
10pm and getting sued/fined over it.

I would think they could just locally bleep the f-words ? ? ?


John B
Derry NH
From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov 11 19:48:46 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Nov 11 19:47:58 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
In-Reply-To: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>

At 04:35 PM 11/11/2004 -0800, John Bolduc wrote:
>WMUR-TV Channel 9 Manchester NH announced in their 6:00pm newscast that
>both they and Channel 5 Boston would not be showing Saving Private Ryan
>tonight. To cut to the chase, they were worried about swear words before
>10pm and getting sued/fined over it.
>
>I would think they could just locally bleep the f-words ? ? ?

Not if they don't want to get in trouble with ABC. ABC's deal with 
Spielberg is that the movie runs unedited, period. ABC has already turned 
down several Midwestern affiliates that wanted to delay the movie to 10:35 
PM CT.

The affiliates - and there are many of them, including WMTW and WGGB as 
well - that are preempting the movie are going to have a tricky scheduling 
job when it comes to rejoining the network later tonight. The movie runs to 
11:21 PM ET, there's a 35-minute hole for news, and Nightline is scheduled 
for 11:56 PM.

The whole thing's a political statement of sorts, trying to make the case 
that the FCC's enforcement of content rules has become so unpredictable 
that a station could indeed be fined for the language used in Saving 
Private Ryan. And indeed, the FCC has declined to give stations any sort of 
advance guidance, saying that would run afoul of prior-restraint issues. 
The Parents Television Council, meanwhile, in its self-appointed role as 
guardian of America's airwaves, has itself issued a statement saying it has 
no intention of filing any complaints about the language used in the movie. 
Trouble is, the PTC doesn't have a monopoly on filing those complaints, and 
it only takes one to trigger a huge fine these days, especially in a 
circumstance like this one in which no ABC affiliate can claim to be taken 
by surprise by what's coming down the network in a few minutes.

This would not be an issue in Canada.

s

From mhiggs@gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 20:02:51 2004
From: mhiggs@gmail.com (Matt Higgs)
Date: Thu Nov 11 20:03:00 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
References: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <db5a76560411111702744b3574@mail.gmail.com>

True. Here in Canada, I think SPR aired already on either CTV or
Global. Hearing an "F-bomb" is rarely an issue. I'm sure the CRTC
recieves some complaints, but never anything major. Janet Jackson
didn't get any complaints that I know of. The local Global station did
recieve 3, but they were about not being able to see Superbowl
commericals.

Matt


On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:48:46 -0500, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> At 04:35 PM 11/11/2004 -0800, John Bolduc wrote:
> 
> 
> >WMUR-TV Channel 9 Manchester NH announced in their 6:00pm newscast that
> >both they and Channel 5 Boston would not be showing Saving Private Ryan
> >tonight. To cut to the chase, they were worried about swear words before
> >10pm and getting sued/fined over it.
> >
> >I would think they could just locally bleep the f-words ? ? ?
> 
> Not if they don't want to get in trouble with ABC. ABC's deal with
> Spielberg is that the movie runs unedited, period. ABC has already turned
> down several Midwestern affiliates that wanted to delay the movie to 10:35
> PM CT.
> 
> The affiliates - and there are many of them, including WMTW and WGGB as
> well - that are preempting the movie are going to have a tricky scheduling
> job when it comes to rejoining the network later tonight. The movie runs to
> 11:21 PM ET, there's a 35-minute hole for news, and Nightline is scheduled
> for 11:56 PM.
> 
> The whole thing's a political statement of sorts, trying to make the case
> that the FCC's enforcement of content rules has become so unpredictable
> that a station could indeed be fined for the language used in Saving
> Private Ryan. And indeed, the FCC has declined to give stations any sort of
> advance guidance, saying that would run afoul of prior-restraint issues.
> The Parents Television Council, meanwhile, in its self-appointed role as
> guardian of America's airwaves, has itself issued a statement saying it has
> no intention of filing any complaints about the language used in the movie.
> Trouble is, the PTC doesn't have a monopoly on filing those complaints, and
> it only takes one to trigger a huge fine these days, especially in a
> circumstance like this one in which no ABC affiliate can claim to be taken
> by surprise by what's coming down the network in a few minutes.
> 
> This would not be an issue in Canada.
> 
> s
> 
>
From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov 11 20:38:40 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Thu Nov 11 20:38:45 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <016101c4c858$5679b2f0$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: "John Bolduc" <n1qgs@yahoo.com>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN


>> This would not be an issue in Canada.

Yeah, they worry about important things like making sure stations run plenty 
of Anne Murray songs.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Nov 11 20:40:35 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Thu Nov 11 20:40:40 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
References: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com><5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
	<db5a76560411111702744b3574@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016901c4c858$9b161750$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

The movie is way too violent for 8:00 p.m. on broadcast TV, IMHO. I don't 
think the FCC should be in the business of regulating content at all, but I 
wouldn't run the movie at 8:00 p.m. if I owned a station.


From steveord@bit-net.com  Thu Nov 11 20:58:10 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu Nov 11 20:58:04 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
References: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041111194109.0372fe90@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041111205629.01b00900@pop3.bit-net.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:
>This would not be an issue in Canada.


But then, they have rather onerous Cancon requirements.  Is one any worse 
than the other?


From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 22:24:54 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Thu Nov 11 22:25:30 2004
Subject: Air America
Message-ID: <004d01c4c867$34e50ef0$ad02050a@gmiboston.com>

On 11 Nov 2004 at 1:55, Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

>> Second guessing the voters intent.  Now THAT's accurate.

>Now this is just getting silly.

Silly as a hanging chad.
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Fri Nov 12 02:00:35 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri Nov 12 02:16:39 2004
Subject: Air America
In-Reply-To: <013f01c4c849$29fc39a0$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <41941943.18018.1A60EFE@localhost>

On 11 Nov 2004 at 18:50, Daniel Billings wrote:

> We have used voting machines in this country for a hundred years that
> don't produce a paper trail.  New York still uses mechanical voting
> machines where one votes by making ones choices with switches and then
> pulling a lever. Nobody ever complained about the use of these machines. 
> They are mechanical and not run by computers but lots of things can go
> wrong with simple machines.
 
Those machines are an old and simple technology and are highly reliable.  They don't show 
more votes for a candidate than there are voters.  They don't count votes negatively.  And 
they do have control counters to make sure they have been set correctly at the start.   The 
major error comes from the tally of the results from the machines, and that can be 
recounted.  The new technology has a lot of glitches and no way of tracing them.

As an example of what can be detected and fixed with the old voting machines, in the 1970 
race for State Representative in Brookline, John Businger's campaign manager had reports 
from every precinct which, when added up, showed a narrow win.  He was surprised to learn 
that the figures at Town Hall showed a narrow defeat.  

He went to Town Hall and checked his figures against theirs and found that it came down to 
one machine, on which Town Hall's tally showed 5 votes for Businger, but his tally showed 
55 votes.  It then became possible to check the numbers at the back of the machine, which 
did indeed show 55 votes.  And that's how Businger won the first of 14 terms in the 
Legislature.  (His opponent had already finished holding his victory party when he learned the 
news that he hadn't won after all.)

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Nov 12 17:02:05 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:02:15 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
Message-ID: <20041112220205.25C61E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: SteveOrdinetz <steveord@bit-net.com>
>To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:58:10 -0500

> 
> Scott Fybush wrote:
> >This would not be an issue in Canada.
> 
> 
> But then, they have rather onerous Cancon requirements.  Is one any worse 
> than the other?
> 
> 
Speaking of which:  it was either "Morning Edition" or the 
morning version of PRI's "Marketplace" that ran an item
about German radio stations agitating for local content
in Deutschland.  Even there, they felt swamped by American-
sourced content in pop records. 

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Nov 12 17:40:22 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:40:33 2004
Subject: Boston Herald on New Cape Cod FM (act fast)
Message-ID: <20041112224022.428233384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Todays's Boston Herald (11/12) ran a short feature in its business
section about the FM auction with regard to the 94.3 frequency
in Brewster on the Cape.  Stories in the Herald may not go to
archive as quickly as at the Globe, but it might be a good
idea to click through this URL right away before the content 
disappears...

http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=53749
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From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 17:48:43 2004
From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:48:54 2004
Subject: Scott Peterson trial
Message-ID: <20041112224843.8426.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com>

Ladies and gentlemen ... the verdict is in! Scott
Peterson is found Guilty of murder! Everyone is
talking about it in the stores, banks and even on the
streets.

See the San Francisco Chronicle story below ...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/11/12/PETERSON12.TMP

Roy Lawrence
San Francisco, CA


		
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Nov 12 17:48:58 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:49:06 2004
Subject: WMKI-AM 1260 Running IBOC For Real?
Message-ID: <20041112224858.C43DE3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

I received an e-mail off-list with the information that 
WMKI-AM 1260, Radio Disney is "testing" or is it running 
Ibiquity's IBOC system for real?  The individual said that
WMKI was putting hash on WTSN-AM 1270 in Dover (he lives
on the North Shore);  I get it over WKBR-AM 1250 in Manchester,
NH and even WEIM-AM 1280 in Fitchburg.  This hash issue
has been brought up before re WBZ-AM, but little has been
sais about its effect on program content.  If WMKI continues
with IBOC, anyone close enough to its transmission facilities
to get a good signal day and night should check out the difference
as they make the switch from DA-N at 6:30 am or go back to it
from ND-D at 4:30 pm.  When the night pattern is on, the 
audio is clear, somewhat 3-dimensional and a modest approximation
of FM in mono.  When IBOC is running, the station sounds 
as though its transmitting from one of the Rovers on Mars!
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Nov 12 17:59:04 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:59:11 2004
Subject: Not Much Skywave These Days
Message-ID: <20041112225904.44DA23384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Since Monday, I've noticed that AM skywave has been greatly
diminished, thus allowing me to pick up eastern Massachusetts
stations that are usually swamped by distant signals.  Chief
among these have been the AirAmerica twins WKKS-AM 1430/WKOX-AM 1200,
plus WTTT, Boston, transmitting from Lexington, and WEIM-AM 
1280 in Fitchburg.  (WEIM has always been my touchstone for 
diminished skywave because it is usually battered
even before sunset by stations in NYC and Canada.).  In fact, 
it seems MORE difficult to get WFAN and WCBS from Long Island 
Sound well after dark than during the day.  Also WOR and WABC are
very faint.  Speaking of stations in the 7s, yes I can also
pick up WJIB on butterfly-breath power.  I don't know if there's
been sunspot activity or cyclical terrestrial events, and of
course it could change any minute now (although the aforementioned
stations are coming in well right now: Friday at 6:00 pm EST).

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From paulcurrier@adelphia.net  Fri Nov 12 18:21:47 2004
From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier)
Date: Fri Nov 12 18:21:56 2004
Subject: Boston Herald on New Cape Cod FM (act fast)
References: <20041112224022.428233384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4c90e$61b6edc0$5c5ba445@DG07P241>

Thanks - Wow!  Especially here where radio is an unpublished/unlister media.

Paul
Sandwich CC

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To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:40 PM
Subject: Boston Herald on New Cape Cod FM (act fast)


> Todays's Boston Herald (11/12) ran a short feature in its business
> section about the FM auction with regard to the 94.3 frequency
> in Brewster on the Cape.  Stories in the Herald may not go to
> archive as quickly as at the Globe, but it might be a good
> idea to click through this URL right away before the content
> disappears...
>
> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=53749
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From nostaticatall@comcast.net  Fri Nov 12 21:15:37 2004
From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm)
Date: Fri Nov 12 21:15:47 2004
Subject: Not Much Skywave These Days
In-Reply-To: <20041112225904.44DA23384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041112225904.44DA23384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <E88A62F4-3519-11D9-BA35-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>

Some co-workers of mine reported seeing the "Northern Lights" earlier  
this week in parts of the midwest and south.  One person in Wisconsin  
was telling me that he saw it up there and that the skywave was next to  
nothing--just the nearby locals coming in on AM.  Maybe the lingering  
effects of the Aurora Borealis is what's causing the diminished  
skywave.  I'm sure one of the more technical people on this list can  
elaborate on this...

--Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"



On Nov 12, 2004, at 5:59 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Since Monday, I've noticed that AM skywave has been greatly
> diminished, thus allowing me to pick up eastern Massachusetts
> stations that are usually swamped by distant signals.  Chief
> among these have been the AirAmerica twins WKKS-AM 1430/WKOX-AM 1200,
> plus WTTT, Boston, transmitting from Lexington, and WEIM-AM
> 1280 in Fitchburg.  (WEIM has always been my touchstone for
> diminished skywave because it is usually battered
> even before sunset by stations in NYC and Canada.).  In fact,
> it seems MORE difficult to get WFAN and WCBS from Long Island
> Sound well after dark than during the day.  Also WOR and WABC are
> very faint.  Speaking of stations in the 7s, yes I can also
> pick up WJIB on butterfly-breath power.  I don't know if there's
> been sunspot activity or cyclical terrestrial events, and of
> course it could change any minute now (although the aforementioned
> stations are coming in well right now: Friday at 6:00 pm EST).
>
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From paulranderson@charter.net  Fri Nov 12 21:59:43 2004
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Fri Nov 12 21:59:55 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
In-Reply-To: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041112003504.92093.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11868D62-3520-11D9-AD6F-0050E4D0384A@charter.net>

On Nov 11, 2004, at 7:35 PM, John Bolduc wrote:

> WMUR-TV Channel 9 Manchester NH announced in their 6:00pm newscast 
> that both they and Channel 5 Boston would not be showing Saving 
> Private Ryan tonight.

How confusing and how silly.

WTAG Worcester announced in the morning that WCVB (5 Boston), WLNE (6 
New Bedford) and WMUR (9 Manchester) would all be carrying the movie.  
9's web site said they wouldn't, but there was nothing on 5's site 
(co-owned with 9) or 6's.

Maybe I mistook what they were showing for Saving Private Ryan, but 
didn't WCVB carry the movie?  The only other ABC station I get on cable 
is WGGB (40 Springfield) and they were carrying some show about poker.  
I guess gambling is safer than a few swear words.

Paul

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Fri Nov 12 22:06:44 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Fri Nov 12 22:06:49 2004
Subject: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
In-Reply-To: <11868D62-3520-11D9-AD6F-0050E4D0384A@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000701c4c92d$cedb8220$6400a8c0@AMD>

WCVB, WMUR, WMTW, and WGGB did not carry it. I believe WCVB, WMUR, and
WMTW all ran the same movie, since they're co-owned.

WLNE and WTNH did run Saving Private Ryan.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of Paul Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:00 PM
To: Boston Radio Mailing List
Subject: Re: THERE'S NO SAVING PRIVATE RYAN

On Nov 11, 2004, at 7:35 PM, John Bolduc wrote:

> WMUR-TV Channel 9 Manchester NH announced in their 6:00pm newscast 
> that both they and Channel 5 Boston would not be showing Saving 
> Private Ryan tonight.

How confusing and how silly.

WTAG Worcester announced in the morning that WCVB (5 Boston), WLNE (6 
New Bedford) and WMUR (9 Manchester) would all be carrying the movie.  
9's web site said they wouldn't, but there was nothing on 5's site 
(co-owned with 9) or 6's.

Maybe I mistook what they were showing for Saving Private Ryan, but 
didn't WCVB carry the movie?  The only other ABC station I get on cable 
is WGGB (40 Springfield) and they were carrying some show about poker.  
I guess gambling is safer than a few swear words.

Paul


From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Sat Nov 13 08:33:02 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Sat Nov 13 08:36:19 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Not Much Skywave These Days
Message-ID: <41960D0E.460BA013@Programmer.Net>

Dave "Mike Thomas" Tomm wrote,

> Maybe the lingering effects of the Aurora Borealis is what's
> causing the diminished skywave.

No "maybe" about it!  P=/

The geomagnetic "K" index, which is usually uneventfully
from between 1-2, quiet to nominal, and 3-4, unsettled to
active--with 5-7 being minor to strong geomagnetic storming
(i.e., "auroras")--had been 8 and (the maximum possible) 9,
seveve to extreme storming, from Sunday to Wednesday, related
to some strong, "proton event" causing, "M" and "X" flares from
Saturday to Wednesday (yesterday, the K index was betwwen 2-5 and
flaring stayed well under "C" level).
See yesterday's and Toesday's 3-day Flare graphs

          http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/xray/20041112_xray.gif
          http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/xray/20041109_xray.gif

Ditto for the planetary "K" graphs:

          http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/kp/20041112_kp.gif
          http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/kp/20041109_kp.gif

Tying it in to the "skywave", it may take several days to weeks for
the skywave to fully recover, and usually it's from south to north
(thus FL, GA, TN, Cuba and the Caribbean may be coming in, while
reception from north of there, such as to IL, OH and within all of
the NorthEast, will still be mostly "daytime dead", even with a low
K index.

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From francini@mac.com  Sat Nov 13 10:56:51 2004
From: francini@mac.com (John J. Francini)
Date: Sat Nov 13 10:56:48 2004
Subject: Fw: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
In-Reply-To: <200411111558.AA120193078@mail.ttlc.net>
References: <200411111558.AA120193078@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <p0602043bbdbbdec71001@[192.168.1.72]>

Looks like the BRI list's own Donna Halper picked them up!

On the first of the two contact sheets there -- isn't that a rather 
young Glenn Ordway in the right-hand column?  Back before his days 
with Johnny Most?

john francini




At 15:58 -0500 11/11/04, rogerkirk wrote:
>  >The only staff photo I recognize is Avi Nelson, but others may be able
>>to pick out additional WMEX personnel.
>>
>>The starting bid is $149.99 and as of eight o'clock Thursday morning
>>there haven't been any bidders.
>
>I recognize the faces of a couple of the people, but the name 
>remains a mystery.  If I had the $$, I'd bid in a heartbeat. 
>Anybody wanna go in on the collection?
>
>Love the headline that proclaims "WJIB - A Ratings Winner"

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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov 13 13:48:40 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat Nov 13 13:49:07 2004
Subject: Fw: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
In-Reply-To: <p0602043bbdbbdec71001@[192.168.1.72]>
References: <200411111558.AA120193078@mail.ttlc.net>
	<200411111558.AA120193078@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041113134725.02958278@pop.registeredsite.com>

At 10:56 AM 11/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Looks like the BRI list's own Donna Halper picked them up!
>
>On the first of the two contact sheets there -- isn't that a rather young 
>Glenn Ordway in the right-hand column?  Back before his days with Johnny Most?

While not much of the material pertains to the rock and roll era of WMEX, I 
picked the stuff up because I felt that a lot of people we all still hear 
on the air in Boston (Glenn Ordway among them) might be among the 
photos.  I don't usually bid on e-bay, but this seemed like something one 
of us Boston media historians ought to have.


From lglavin@lycos.com  Sat Nov 13 14:00:28 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat Nov 13 14:00:55 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Not Much Skywave These Days
Message-ID: <20041113190028.DEF82C610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" <Kaimbridge@programmer.net>
>To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Not Much Skywave These Days
>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:33:02 +0000


> 
> The geomagnetic "K" index, which is usually uneventfully
> from between 1-2, quiet to nominal, and 3-4, unsettled to
> active--with 5-7 being minor to strong geomagnetic storming
> (i.e., "auroras")--had been 8 and (the maximum possible) 9,
> seveve to extreme storming, from Sunday to Wednesday

This has been an interesting 3 or 4 days of sky-watching
(remember Jack borden's crusade encouraging people to look up
more often?) because the croissant moon,  and the planets
Venus and Jupiter have been lined up before dawn every clear
morning this week.  Now, I'll have to check the sky for 
aurorae!

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From lspin@comcast.net  Sat Nov 13 14:02:34 2004
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Sat Nov 13 14:02:46 2004
Subject: Fw: WMEX photos and scrapbooks on eBay
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041113134725.02958278@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <200411131902.iADJ2jd5020194@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu>

Was that a young Anthony Silva I saw in some of those contact sheets?
-Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:49 PM


While not much of the material pertains to the rock and roll era of WMEX, I 
picked the stuff up because I felt that a lot of people we all still hear 
on the air in Boston (Glenn Ordway among them) might be among the 
photos.  I don't usually bid on e-bay, but this seemed like something one 
of us Boston media historians ought to have.




From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov 13 19:05:49 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Sat Nov 13 19:05:54 2004
Subject: F word on NBC
Message-ID: <000b01c4c9dd$b2cd2240$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

After Pittsburgh's last second win over Notre Dame, Pittsburg quarterback 
Tyler Palco was interviewed and said live and unedited that he was so proud 
of this "fu**ckin' footbal team."  This was live nationwide at about 6:15 
this evening.

The timing is interested after the decision this week by some stations not 
to run Saving Private Ryan due to language.

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From rickkelly@gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 11:01:30 2004
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sun Nov 14 11:01:38 2004
Subject: Brad Bleidt WBIX article in the Herald
Message-ID: <521b7fd104111408013951f826@mail.gmail.com>

>From todays Herald:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feds freeze mogul's assets after dramatic confession
By Cosmo Macero Jr.
Sunday, November 14, 2004

Brad Bleidt saw a struggling radio station on the AM dial as the kind
of opportunity worth taking a chance on.
 
     But it may have been the catalyst to unraveling two decades worth
of lies and a dark secret that apparently haunted him to the brink of
self-destruction.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Entire article at:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=53986

-- 
Rick Kelly
www.northeastairchecks.com
From lglavin@lycos.com  Sun Nov 14 16:01:32 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun Nov 14 16:01:42 2004
Subject: Bill Griffith On "HD Radio For Cahs"
Message-ID: <20041114210132.5F962E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>

Today's Boston Sunday Globe has an article about HD or digital radio 
for automobiles written by multitasking columnist Bill Griffith
(he doubles as radio/TV sports columnist).  He lists the several
FM stations using the format, and WBZ-AM (thereby missing the
introduction of IBOC on WMKI-AM 1260).  The ubiquitous Don Kelley
is quoted as listening to one or more Greater Media stations in
his office;  I wonder if it includes 96.9 FM talk...would anyone
WANT to hear Jay Severin digitally?  (Griffith also offered up
the K-man's musings in a story about WEEI, which I believe
COMPETES with GM!)  Anyway, on a day when the Sunday papers
offer a truly sad story on one facet of the radio business
in Boston,  this item may provide a diversion.  Read it at:

http://www.boston.com/cars/articles/2004/11/14/the_drives_on_for_digital_radio/
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From billo@shoreham.net  Mon Nov 15 10:08:49 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon Nov 15 10:08:51 2004
Subject: F word on NBC
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4c9dd$b2cd2240$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>
References: <000b01c4c9dd$b2cd2240$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <4198C681.90206@shoreham.net>

Daniel Billings wrote:

> After Pittsburgh's last second win over Notre Dame, Pittsburg 
> quarterback Tyler Palco was interviewed and said live and unedited 
> that he was so proud of this "fu**ckin' footbal team."  This was live 
> nationwide at about 6:15 this evening.
>
> The timing is interested after the decision this week by some stations 
> not to run Saving Private Ryan due to language.

As for the film, whatever happened to "Edited for Television"?  Seems 
simple enough.

As for expletives on a live program, if the guy was unaware of a live 
mic, then that's the way it goes.  Should the networks run sport events 
on delay?

Bill (seven seconds later) O'Neill
From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Nov 15 19:17:24 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:17:38 2004
Subject: Bill Callagy Has Died
Message-ID: <007101c4cb71$a9216ea0$6f918318@Mark>

    William "Bill" Callagy, longtime high school football commentator and 
sports talk show host on WCCM Lawrence died over the weekend at the age of 
79 after a long illness. Callagy first appeared on WCCM's high school 
football broadcasts in 1961. He also hosted WCCM's still long running 
Saturday morning staple "Let's Talk Sports" for many years until retiring 
from both the football broadcasts and talk show in the early 1990's.

Mark Watson 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Nov 15 20:21:45 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Mon Nov 15 20:21:50 2004
Subject: F word on NBC
References: <000b01c4c9dd$b2cd2240$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<4198C681.90206@shoreham.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c4cb7a$a35fa6e0$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
To: "Daniel Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Boston Radio" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: F word on NBC


> As for the film, whatever happened to "Edited for Television"?  Seems 
> simple enough.

Speilberg refused to allow the movie to be edited.


> As for expletives on a live program, if the guy was unaware of a live mic, 
> then that's the way it goes.  Should the networks run sport events on 
> delay?

The guy was being interviewed on the field right after the game.  I think it 
was clear he knew what was going on.


From hmadjid@yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 01:25:49 2004
From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid)
Date: Tue Nov 16 01:25:52 2004
Subject: F word on NBC
Message-ID: <20041116062549.75341.qmail@web80007.mail.yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:08:49 -0500
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
Subject: Re: F word on NBC
To: Daniel Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net>,
Boston Radio
	<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <4198C681.90206@shoreham.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
format=flowed

Bill O'Neill wrote:

>As for the film, whatever happened to "Edited for
>Television"?  Seems 
>simple enough.

Apparently, when ABC negotiated the TV rights for
'Private Ryan' Spielberg made the network
contractually agree that the film could not be edited
/ modified in any manner for TV broadcast.

It's just a case of the old golden rule:
"He who has the gold, writes the rules" :-)





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From pete@partnercomm.com  Tue Nov 16 10:40:06 2004
From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Tue Nov 16 10:45:08 2004
Subject: worm, anyone? 
Message-ID: <419A1F56.2030603@partnercomm.com>

It would appear that someone on the Boston Radio Interest list has a 
worm on his machine. I have started irregularly receiving emails 
directly from "Igochuckigo@maine.rr.com" (and I can't imagine it's him - 
never!) with a malicious payload attached.

If you happen to be a Verizon Online (DSL or dialup) customer, you just 
may be the source: pool-70-17-146-40.wma.east.verizon.net was the 
originating DNS name for the IP address (70.17.146.40).

The payload is attempting to further spread W32/Bagle.az@MM (known under 
a few other names as well). Information on detection and cleanup is 
available at any of these sites:

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_BAGLE.AU
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.beagle.aw@mm.html
http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=description&virus_k=129511

-Peter

Peter Murray (N3IXY)
Vienna, VA
From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Tue Nov 16 14:53:05 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Tue Nov 16 14:53:08 2004
Subject: Bleidt Excoriated By The Media
Message-ID: <200411161453.AA4023648454@mail.ttlc.net>

WBZ (and other stations, I presume) is having a field
day with this story.  Interviews with Donna Yeager about
her family's finacial losses and sound bytes: "He's a 
Devil"  Plus Bill Galvin's involved and his sound bytes
are flying, too.

Of course, they NEVER mention the Call Letters of "the
other Boston radio station"


From rjoc@webtv.net  Wed Nov 17 09:18:49 2004
From: rjoc@webtv.net (Rod O'Connor)
Date: Wed Nov 17 09:19:00 2004
Subject: WSYY 94.9 Tower update
Message-ID: <13360-419B5DC9-49@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

According to an article in yesterday's (Tues Nov. 16) Bangor Daily News,
the legal issues involving the WSYY 94.9 tower on Hammond Ridge near
Millinocket, ME appear to have been resolved.

Go to  www.bangornews.com  click on issue of Nov. 16 and scroll down
left column to "Penobscot" to read the article.

I still think they are operating at lower power. During a couple of
recent trips to Augusta along I-95, I found WHOM's signal holding in
solid right into Bangor. Peviously WHOM would start getting cut out once
I got north of Waterville.

Rod O'Connor
Southwest Harbor, Maine

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Thu Nov 18 14:08:53 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu Nov 18 14:09:14 2004
Subject: Chris Egan drops plans to buy WBIX
Message-ID: <20041118190853.33C12396D@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://www.boston.com/dailynews/323/region/Buyer_drops_plans_to_acquire_r:.shtml

from Boston.com/AP: Christopher Egan said Thursday that he has backed out of plans to purchase business radio station WBIX in the wake of the investment scandal and attempted suicide by its current owner, Bradford C. Bleidt. 

Egan, the son of EMC Corp. founder Richard Egan, announced he was withdrawing from the deal to clear the way for a court-appointed receiver to recover assets of investors that Bleidt has admitted to cheating. 






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From steveord@bit-net.com  Thu Nov 18 20:04:01 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:04:12 2004
Subject: Chris Egan drops plans to buy WBIX
In-Reply-To: <20041118190853.33C12396D@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041118190853.33C12396D@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041118200321.01b32f08@pop3.bit-net.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:
>from Boston.com/AP: Christopher Egan said Thursday that he has backed out 
>of plans to purchase business radio station WBIX in the wake of the 
>investment scandal and attempted suicide by its current owner, Bradford C. 
>Bleidt.
>
>Egan, the son of EMC Corp. founder Richard Egan, announced he was 
>withdrawing from the deal to clear the way for a court-appointed receiver 
>to recover assets of investors that Bleidt has admitted to cheating.

Can't say as I blame him.  This has the potential to turn into a major can 
of worms.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 18 20:19:05 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:19:59 2004
Subject: Mark Mills announces that everyone at WBIX expects to be terminated
	by Monday
Message-ID: <000e01c4cdd5$dd9564a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

As you probably already know, Chris Egan today announced that he was pulling
out of his planned purchase of WBIX and immediately severing all connection
with the station and that, on Monday, a court-appointed trustee will assume
responsibility for the station as well as for any other assets of the
station's former owner, Brad Bleidt. Mark Mills, host of the PM-drive Market
Wrap program, announced over the air this afternoon that a number of station
staff have already been terminated and that the remainder of the staff
expect to receive their walking papers when the as-yet-unnamed trustee
appears at the station's offices on Monday. Egan has announced that he will
pay the salaries and medical insurance premiums for all staff until the end
of this year--unless the trustee makes other salary-continuation
arrangements. Mills also referred to Bleidt on the air as a thief who had
for 20 years masqueraded as a financial planner.

Mills said he did not know what would become of the station or its business
news/talk format, but he seemed to suggest that there was a strong
possibility of the station going dark and almost a certainty of a format
change.

The trustee will be responsible for getting the most money possible for
Bleidt's assets--of which WBIX may be the most valuable--and conceivably is
the only one of any value. The trustee's objective will be to compensate to
the maximum possible extent the clients that Bleidt defrauded, although I've
neither seen nor heard anything that suggests that the clients will receive
much more than a small fraction of what they lost.

It is obvious from Mills' comments that WBIX has been hemorrhaging money and
that he believes the only way to stop the bleeding may be to take the
station dark. A way to significantly reduce expenditures while keeping some
semblance of the business format on the air would be simply to run the
Bloomberg network 24/7. WBIX already subscribes to the network and uses it
heavily, especially overnight.

In a Globe story today, Egan is quoted as saying that if he had tried to go
forward with his plans to purchase the station, Bleidt's defrauded clients
would likely have received less money than they will as a result of his
pullout. Egan was going to pay Bleidt $7 million for the station. That price
strikes me as quite fair. However, when Bleidt purchased WBIX from Alex
Langer last January, he had agreed to pay Langer a sum that I have seen
quoted as both $13.4 million and $13.8 million. Based on other AM sales in
this market over the past five years or so, I regard either of those two
prices as grossly excessive. Egan also said today that 100% of his proposed
$7 million payment to Bleidt plus an additional $1.5 million would have been
due to Langer, who had financed Bleidt's purchase of the station. According
to the FCC record of the transfer of control, Langer received $1 million
from Bleidt when Bleidt took control of the station. Adding up the numbers,
I reach the conclusion that between January and November, Bleidt must have
paid Langer an additional $4 million--or $400,000 per month. Supposedly,
though, the lease called for payments of only $50,000 per month. Clearly, I
don't have the whole story.

At this point, I doubt that even those closest to the situation have any
idea of what is going to happen. I suspect that WBIX will ultimately wind up
in the hands of one of the large radio companies. My personal suggestion to
the trustee is that she or he try to get representatives of ABC and Radio
One together and negotiate with them. 1060 would be a superb signal for
Radio Disney's WMKI (transmitters in the affluent MetroWest area; big
daytime signal well into New Hampshire and southern Maine) and WMKI's
current 1260 frequency would be the perfect full-time signal for WILD (best
signal in Dorchester, Mattapan, and Roxbury of any AM except for WBZ). This
might provide an opportunity to get the financial programming back into
Boston, albeit on another daytime-only signal--1090, WILD's current
frequency. That idea probably makes too much sense to ever happen.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Nov 18 20:46:06 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:46:32 2004
Subject: Postscript on WBIX--that mysterious $4 million
Message-ID: <000a01c4cdd9$8db71600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

I estimate that the cost of acquiring the then-dark 1060 CP, buying WRPT
(which was then licensed to 1050 and had to be moved to allow the 1060
signal upgrade from the WKOX site), upgrading WBIX's daytime signal, adding
the night signal, and operating 1060 as WMEX for about a year probably cost
Alex Langer about $4 million give or take. I wonder whether Langer might
have retained ownership of WBIX's transmitting facilities--albeit not the
land or towers. The daytime site and towers belong to Clear Channel and the
night site and towers belong (I think) to Mega--unless Mega leases the
Sewell St site from somebody else.

If Langer retained ownsehip of the transmitters, phasing uinits, and the
buildings that were added at Sewell St in connection with the night signal,
the dollar figures in my previous message would all kind of make sense.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Nov 18 22:12:01 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Nov 18 22:11:30 2004
Subject: Postscript on WBIX--that mysterious $4 million
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4cdd9$8db71600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041118220818.035d6058@gwind.pair.com>

The Sewell Street towers are registered to:

METRO-BOSTON BROADCASTING, INC. DBA = TOWER SITES, LIMITED
8411 PRESTON ROAD, SUITE 870
DALLAS, TX 75225

Oddly, the contact e-mail address given in the ASR registration is for 
Grady Moates, the contract engineer who handles WAMG, among other stations.

A cursory Google search on the Preston Road address turns up something 
called "Collective Jewels" in that suite.

I'm trying to recall which incarnation of 1060 (or 890) did business as 
"Metro-Boston Broadcasting"

s

At 08:46 PM 11/18/2004 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote:
>I estimate that the cost of acquiring the then-dark 1060 CP, buying WRPT
>(which was then licensed to 1050 and had to be moved to allow the 1060
>signal upgrade from the WKOX site), upgrading WBIX's daytime signal, adding
>the night signal, and operating 1060 as WMEX for about a year probably cost
>Alex Langer about $4 million give or take. I wonder whether Langer might
>have retained ownership of WBIX's transmitting facilities--albeit not the
>land or towers. The daytime site and towers belong to Clear Channel and the
>night site and towers belong (I think) to Mega--unless Mega leases the
>Sewell St site from somebody else.
>
>If Langer retained ownsehip of the transmitters, phasing uinits, and the
>buildings that were added at Sewell St in connection with the night signal,
>the dollar figures in my previous message would all kind of make sense.
>
>--
>Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
>eFax 707-215-6367

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Nov 18 22:52:03 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu Nov 18 22:52:10 2004
Subject: Mel Gets a New Job
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041118224943.01f4fce8@mail.mac.com>


Mel Karmazin was named the new CEO of Sirius Satellite Radio:

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/news.php

It will be interesting to see what (if any) changes to the programming will 
happen as a result.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 01:17:28 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Fri Nov 19 01:21:13 2004
Subject: Mark Mills announces that everyone at WBIX expects to be
	terminatedby Monday
References: <000e01c4cdd5$dd9564a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <028b01c4cdff$f4a009a0$1404fea9@xyz>


From: "Dan Strassberg"

> The trustee will be responsible for getting the most money possible for
> Bleidt's assets--of which WBIX may be the most valuable--and conceivably
is
> the only one of any value.

That's why I don't think it would(should) go dark.

Once a station is off the air....the value creeps to next to nothing.

Secondly, I would think Egan would benefit from grabbing up the station and
be able to pay cash to the trustees almost immediately...which is apparently
what they want.

Third, wouldn't keeping the station on the air and (somewhat) viable with
most staff intact be the best way to preserve the value of the station?

Unless of course the station is (has been) losing money...then I'm sure they
want t plug a leak with whatever chewing gum they can find before the assets
melt even further.


I would agree with Dan, that running Bllomberg would probably do the
trick...cut losses and somewhat protect the stations value from going into
the dumper.

I wonder if any of the reporters are contacting Alex Langer to get the scoop
on how much was paid and how much is till owed.


From billo@shoreham.net  Fri Nov 19 07:05:28 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri Nov 19 07:05:33 2004
Subject: Mel Gets a New Job
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041118224943.01f4fce8@mail.mac.com>
References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041118224943.01f4fce8@mail.mac.com>
Message-ID: <419DE188.2000301@shoreham.net>



Larry Weil wrote:

>
> Mel Karmazin was named the new CEO of Sirius Satellite Radio:
>
> http://www.siriusbackstage.com/news.php
>
Phew!  That was close.  His unemployment comp. had to be sucking air 
soon. Nice to see he's back in the black before the holidays <g>.

With Uncle Mel on board, Sirius is destined to be a goldmine.  Here we go.

Bill O'Neill
From raccoonradio@myway.com  Fri Nov 19 11:22:38 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri Nov 19 11:23:00 2004
Subject: Wisc. talk host makes racist remark about Rice
Message-ID: <20041119162238.2ED9D12E9A@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1283886/posts?page=16

A talk show host who is white refers to a black woman as an 
"Aunt Jemima". Oh, btw, the woman is Secy. of State designee
Condoleeza Rice, and it happened on a "progressive talk"
station. The host says that Rice "bought her way into the White House with obedience to President Bush". 

Double standard here? Or is racism OK when the person
you're attacking is a black _conservative_?




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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov 19 13:04:29 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Nov 19 13:04:59 2004
Subject: Wisc. talk host makes racist remark about Rice
In-Reply-To: <20041119162238.2ED9D12E9A@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119125923.0293ddf0@pop.registeredsite.com>

Bob N. wrote:

>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1283886/posts?page=16
>Double standard here? Or is racism OK when the person
>you're attacking is a black _conservative_?

Oh please, let's all calm ourselves.  Free Republic is such an arch 
right-wing website that they have accused Bill Clinton of murder and said 
that Hillary orchestrated the deaths of political opponents.  I don't take 
seriously anything that Freepers say because they are soooo prone to 
exaggeration and hateful rhetoric against those they dislike.  Now, that 
having been stated, I have heard some political humour on Air America that 
I didn't find terribly funny, but I've heard some on right wing stations 
that was equally unamusing.  Btw, I heard Dr Rice called an "oreo" by a 
guest on the Al Franken show, but lots of people, both conservative and 
liberal, have been called that by people who think the person in question 
is "acting white"--- paying more loyalty to white people in positions of 
power than standing up for the rights of black people.  It's not something 
I agree with, but the epithet is often used by black commentators as well 
as white ones, and Dr Rice was not singled out, based on commentary I've 
heard on Air America.   


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov 19 13:05:40 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Nov 19 13:06:17 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>

A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I 
truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC was 
somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time ago...  


From sid.whitaker@unh.edu  Fri Nov 19 13:26:54 2004
From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Sid Whitaker)
Date: Fri Nov 19 13:27:02 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <1100888814.419e3aeea7767@webmail.unh.edu>

Speaking of FCC offices, I seem to recall seeing something years ago about an
FCC office in Belfast, ME (of all places), based on accounts from people at
stations in Maine that had been fined for violations in the distant past (like
in the 70s). I don't think the office is still around (if it ever even existed
in the first place). Anyone---Fybes---have any more info?

Sid Whitaker
Portland, ME

Quoting Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com>:

> A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I
> truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC was
> somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time ago...
>
>



From sid@wrko.com  Fri Nov 19 14:49:32 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri Nov 19 14:50:07 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
Message-ID: <s19debf7.029@entercom.com>

>>A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I

truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC
was 
somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time
ago...<<

I took my license exams at the Custom House office...longer ago than
I'd like to remember.  They moved to Batterymarch Park in Quincy because
when the feds sold the building to private developers, they threw out
all the tenants before converting the building to high-priced condos.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com
From sid@wrko.com  Fri Nov 19 14:48:00 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:08:41 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
Message-ID: <s19deb98.012@entercom.com>

>>Speaking of FCC offices, I seem to recall seeing something years ago
about an FCC office in Belfast, ME (of all places), based on accounts
from people at stations in Maine that had been fined for violations in
the distant past (like in the 70s). I don't think the office is still
around (if it ever even existed in the first place).
Anyone---Fybes---have any more info?<<

Belfast is the location of an FCC monitoring station.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Nov 19 15:14:51 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:15:04 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041119151402.01edfc50@mail.mac.com>

At 01:05 PM 11/19/2004, Donna Halper wrote:
>A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I 
>truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC was 
>somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time ago...

I believe the Customs House was converted to condos.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Fri Nov 19 15:21:17 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:21:20 2004
Subject: Mel Gets a New Job
Message-ID: <200411191521.AA33030292@mail.ttlc.net>

Bill O'Neill wrote:

>With Uncle Mel on board, Sirius is destined to be a goldmine.  
>Here we go. 

Yes!  Bet they'll start adding "underwriting" announcements
every 30 minutes.  Make the 2nd half of Howard's show a 
P.P.L. (pay per listen) experience.  Let's milk this cash
heifer.




From fox893@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 15:33:28 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:33:38 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
In-Reply-To: <1100888814.419e3aeea7767@webmail.unh.edu>
Message-ID: <20041119203328.84849.qmail@web54604.mail.yahoo.com>


I believe there is still an antenna farm there, with
whatever is recieved being routed to offices in Mass.
I am actually quite certain that I drove past it a few
years ago.



--- Sid Whitaker <sid.whitaker@unh.edu> wrote:

> Speaking of FCC offices, I seem to recall seeing
> something years ago about an
> FCC office in Belfast, ME (of all places), based on
> accounts from people at
> stations in Maine that had been fined for violations
> in the distant past (like
> in the 70s). I don't think the office is still
> around (if it ever even existed
> in the first place). Anyone---Fybes---have any more
> info?
> 
> Sid Whitaker
> Portland, ME
> 
> Quoting Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com>:
> 
> > A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC
> office in Quincy, and I
> > truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?
>  I thought the FCC was
> > somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs
> House a long time ago...
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Nov 19 16:56:51 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Nov 19 16:57:05 2004
Subject: Mark Mills announces that everyone at WBIX expects to be
 terminatedby Monday
Message-ID: <20041119215651.5E24BCA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Dan Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
>To: "Boston Radio Interest" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Subject: Mark Mills announces that everyone at WBIX expects to be terminatedby >Monday
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:19:05 -0500

> In a Globe story today, Egan is quoted as saying that if he had tried to go
> forward with his plans to purchase the station, Bleidt's defrauded clients
> would likely have received less money than they will as a result of his
> pullout. 

In the very same story, Scott Fybush was the source for a quote on 
whether WBIX's value would decline if it terminated operations.
He introduced the concept of "stick value" to the masses.
By the way, if you're in the vicinity of a TV that receives WGBH-TV
tonight (11/19), be sure to tune in to "Greater Boston/Beat the Press"
at 7:00 pm or midnight.  Emily did a segment on  l'affaire Bleidt
earlier in the week, but I'm sure John Carroll, Mark Jurkowitz
and Dan Kennedy (if he's on tonight's show) will delve into it more
comprehensively.

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From markwats@comcast.net  Fri Nov 19 20:04:59 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri Nov 19 20:05:39 2004
Subject: Christmas 103.3 Is Here
Message-ID: <000601c4ce9c$f6d1a150$6f918318@Mark>

   Went out just after 6 PM tonight for dinner, enroute my radio scan 
stopped at WODS (103.3 Boston) and they've gone all Christmas already for 
the second straight year. Will they be the only Boston (or wannabe Boston) 
station to do the all Christmas thing this year? Last year, Star 93.7 and 
WXKS-AM were all Christmas along with Oldies 103.3.

Mark Watson 


From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Fri Nov 19 20:14:47 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Fri Nov 19 20:14:50 2004
Subject: Christmas 103.3 Is Here
Message-ID: <200411192014.AA151781710@mail.ttlc.net>

Mark Watson posted:
>Last year, Star 93.7 and WXKS-AM were all Christmas 
>along with Oldies 103.3.

Last year Star 93.7's All-Christmas format exposed 
me to some heretofore unknown (to me) Christmas
tunes that I really enjoyed e.g. Cyndi Lauper's 
"Christmas Conga"  If they continue to unveil more 
gems, it will truly be worth listening.  Otherwise, 
it will become another ho-hum in the dustbin.


From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 21:34:38 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Fri Nov 19 21:34:50 2004
Subject: WBIX?
Message-ID: <002501c4cea9$82471d30$ad02050a@gmiboston.com>

Any update today on WBIX disposition?

Did Mark Mills announce anything?

JP
From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov 19 23:49:38 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Nov 19 23:50:06 2004
Subject: Fwd: FCC site in Belfast
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119234834.02c4be10@pop.registeredsite.com>

Doug, a new member of our list-serv, told me:

>The FCC monitoring site in Belfast was dismantled several years ago.  Some
>of the towers are still there (in fact, I drove by them on Wednesday), but
>the site is now owned by either the agricultural or forestry school of the
>University of Maine (I can't remember which).  They occupy the building as a
>research facility.
>
>I don't know how, or from where, the FCC currently does broadcast monitoring
>in the Northeast.


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 20 01:04:35 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov 20 01:06:23 2004
Subject: Wisc. talk host makes racist remark about Rice
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119125923.0293ddf0@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <20041119162238.2ED9D12E9A@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <419E9823.19966.5E07BF@localhost>

On 19 Nov 2004 at 13:04, Donna Halper wrote:

> Now, that
> having been stated, I have heard some political humour on Air America that
> I didn't find terribly funny, but I've heard some on right wing stations
> that was equally unamusing.  Btw, I heard Dr Rice called an "oreo" by a
> guest on the Al Franken show, but lots of people, both conservative and
> liberal, have been called that by people who think the person in question
> is "acting white"--- paying more loyalty to white people in positions of
> power than standing up for the rights of black people.  It's not something
> I agree with, but the epithet is often used by black commentators as well
> as white ones, and Dr Rice was not singled out, based on commentary I've
> heard on Air America.   
 
I believe the epithet "oreo" may have originated as something that Blacks called other 
Blacks.  Not a racist but a political epithet.  I'm under the impression that calling someone 
an "Aunt Jemima" is, at least in some circles, the female equivalent of calling someone an 
"Uncle Tom."

For some reason today's Al Franken show seemed to be a rerun of last Thursday's show.  
He had a couple of humor items that I didn't particularly think were funny.  The first was a 
bogus news story about the Bush daughters joining the Marines to fight in Iraq.  The second, 
which I thought was in worse taste and more pointless politically, was a supposed interview 
with the pillow used to smother Arafat.

-- 
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 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov 20 03:09:32 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov 20 03:09:50 2004
Subject: WBIX?
Message-ID: <20041120080932.2AA263990@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>Any update today on WBIX disposition?

I just saw a report on the whole situation on New England Cable
News. The station is in receivership; some employees were let go
while others may stick around for awhile to "keep the place warm",
as Mills said...though the reporter admitted there was a chance
the assets of the station could be sold to help pay back
the victims of the scam.

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov 20 03:21:58 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov 20 03:22:07 2004
Subject: Herald: Station (WBIX) staff stays tuned
Message-ID: <20041120082158.7F6EF39F3@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=54962&format=

excerpt: (click above for full article)
A court-appointed receiver arrived at WBIX-AM (1060) last night and told staffers to continue working through at least Monday....     Workers at the station have continued broadcasting despite no assurances about whether they'll have jobs going forward... 
Insiders are increasingly convinced that WBIX will wind up back in the hands of Alex Langer, who sold the station in January to Bleidt. 


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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov 20 07:42:04 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Sat Nov 20 07:43:05 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
Message-ID: <002b01c4cefe$6fdd36c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

I just tuned past WBZ and was amazed to hear the right-wing rantings of
Michael Medved. It was a spot (a 60-second spot, I think) in which Medved
takes a post-election swipe at John Kerry. At the end, a woman announcer
came on and said Michael Medved is a film critic and talk-show host heard on
the Salem Radio Network. I assume that this was a commercial and not a PSA.
We know that if the closing copy had added "and locally on WTTT 1150," WBZ
would not have accepted the business. However, isn't it a first for WBZ to
run a commercial one of whose major purposes appears to be to promote a
personality heard on another radio station not owned by Infinity? Would I
care if WBZ ran, say, an Al Franken spot that contained a mention of Air
America? Perhaps not. But I can and DO avoid listening to Medved's show,
just as I avoid listening to WBZ's own Brudnoy, Sullivan, and Rich. I regard
the shrill Medved not merely as a right-wing whacko but also as an execrable
talk-show host. (I actually kind of like another of Salem's hosts, Dennis
Prager--even though I don't think I agree with him on anything. My
impression is that, unlike Medved, Prager is a gentleman, who does not
resort to tricks like potting down a caller and launching into a diatribe
that purportedly answers the caller's questions but actually deals with
questions completely different from those the caller asked.) My point is
that, at the very least, WBZ ought to think twice about running these spots,
except perhaps during its own talk shows; I doubt that I am the only
listener who is unhappy about having to listen to Medved's shrill rantings
in order to catch the news.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Nov 20 08:44:33 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat Nov 20 08:45:11 2004
Subject: Fwd: FCC site in Belfast
Message-ID: <s19ee7f0.008@entercom.com>

>>>The FCC monitoring site in Belfast was dismantled several years ago<<

It is still listed in 47 CFR ??0.121(c) and 73.1030(c) as an FCC "field office" requiring RF-interference protection.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From steveord@bit-net.com  Sat Nov 20 10:26:36 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sat Nov 20 10:54:16 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c4cefe$6fdd36c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <002b01c4cefe$6fdd36c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041120102213.01ba0ec0@pop3.bit-net.com>

Dan Strassberg wrote:

>  Would I
>care if WBZ ran, say, an Al Franken spot that contained a mention of Air
>America? Perhaps not. But I can and DO avoid listening to Medved's show,
>just as I avoid listening to WBZ's own Brudnoy, Sullivan, and Rich. I regard
>the shrill Medved not merely as a right-wing whacko but also as an execrable
>talk-show host.


A bit of a double standard, perhaps?  It's OK for WBZ to air commercials 
for execrable talk hosts whose opinions you agree with?

Haven't heard the commercial in question so I'm not sure what's being 
advertised here. 


From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov 20 11:00:24 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov 20 11:00:39 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
Message-ID: <20041120160024.4D35C39BC@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I just tuned past WBZ and was amazed to hear the right-wing rantings of Michael Medved.

I guess I can now refer to Al Franken's show as "left-wing rantings" :)

>> I regard the shrill Medved not merely as a right-wing whacko

I don't often hear liberals being referred to as "left-wing whackos"
though I have heard a certain 2008 presidental candidate being referred to as "Shrillary" :)

>>I doubt that I am the only listener who is unhappy about having to listen to Medved's shrill rantings in order to catch the news

How about having to listen to Dan Rather's biased rantings?  :)

By the way, in my post about the Wisconsin talk show host yesterday:
my point was that the _mainstream media_ would probably overlook
his referral to Condi Rice as an "Aunt Jemima" and Colin Powell
as an "Uncle Tom" (although conservative talk radio did mention it).
Had a conservative talker like Rush referred to someone in that
way it would be all over the news. Donna did have a point in saying that black people also use these terms (in describing fellow blacks
as "sellouts" or "subservient") and yes there probably have been
times when, say, a conservative talk host may have said something
similarly outrageous (Savage, Rush, Carr, etc.) But when it comes
to the mainstream media (I know, I must be getting brainwashed by
Free Republic!), the transgressions of liberals don't get quite the play that the transgressions of conservatives do.

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From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 11:22:27 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sat Nov 20 11:23:12 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
References: <20041120160024.4D35C39BC@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c4cf1d$34d39820$1404fea9@xyz>


> >>I just tuned past WBZ and was amazed to hear the right-wing rantings of
Michael Medved.
>
> >> I regard the shrill Medved not merely as a right-wing whacko

I'm reminded of people who would refer to the "hate-filled speech" of Rush
Limbaugh....which immediately tells me that they have NEVER listened to
him...but feel qualified to characterized him as such.

While Michael Medved is indeed a right-winger.

He is one of the most articulate, intelligent, and POLITE talk show hosts I
have ever heard.
(Among shows that deal with substance anyway.)

Regardless of your politics, it's very hard to characterize him as
"ranting", "shrill", "execrable" and "whacko".

Unless, of course, this simply refers to anyone who doesn't agree with you.


JP

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Nov 20 11:27:36 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings)
Date: Sat Nov 20 11:27:43 2004
Subject: Wisc. talk host makes racist remark about Rice
References: <20041119162238.2ED9D12E9A@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<419E9823.19966.5E07BF@localhost>
Message-ID: <003901c4cf1d$d8b7ec70$bee705cf@yourm3vezyx8af>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Wisc. talk host makes racist remark about Rice


> I believe the epithet "oreo" may have originated as something that Blacks 
> called other
> Blacks.  Not a racist but a political epithet.  I'm under the impression 
> that calling someone
> an "Aunt Jemima" is, at least in some circles, the female equivalent of 
> calling someone an
> "Uncle Tom."

To suggest that someone should hold certain political views because of their 
race is a racists statement in my book.


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Nov 20 12:52:53 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat Nov 20 12:53:03 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c4cefe$6fdd36c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <002b01c4cefe$6fdd36c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <p06200702bdc5347c6776@[192.168.123.157]>

At 7:42 AM -0500 11/20/04, Dan Strassberg wrote:

>But I can and DO avoid listening to Medved's show,
>just as I avoid listening to WBZ's own Brudnoy, Sullivan, and Rich.

I can see about the other two, but I find no difficulty in listening 
to Jordan Rich.  I find him to be a gentleman who respects his 
callers, and many if not most of the topics discussed are 
non-political.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
From ecps92@earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 13:18:04 2004
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill)
Date: Sat Nov 20 13:20:14 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<6.2.0.14.2.20041119151402.01edfc50@mail.mac.com>
Message-ID: <06bc01c4cf2d$47bf16c0$6501a8c0@pavilion>

Condo's Run by the Marriott Corp.
http://www.myresortnetwork.com/Marriott-Custom-House/Boston/Massachusetts/


Bill Dunn   N1KUG
http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm [Updated]


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 15:14
Subject: Re: FCC offices in Quincy


> At 01:05 PM 11/19/2004, Donna Halper wrote:
> >A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I
> >truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC was
> >somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time
ago...
>
> I believe the Customs House was converted to condos.
>
>
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>

From ecps92@earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 13:52:37 2004
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill)
Date: Sat Nov 20 13:54:48 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <085101c4cf32$1adcaa00$6501a8c0@pavilion>

The New Office is in the Batterymarch Park, West Quincy, near the Braintree
Line.

BOSTON OFFICE (BS)
Federal Communications Commission
1 Batterymarch Pk.
Quincy, MA 02169-7495


Bill Dunn   N1KUG
http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm [Updated]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 13:05
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy


> A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I
> truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC was
> somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time ago...
>
>

From ecps92@earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 13:56:37 2004
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill)
Date: Sat Nov 20 13:58:49 2004
Subject: FCC offices in Quincy
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041119130435.02bddb50@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<1100888814.419e3aeea7767@webmail.unh.edu>
Message-ID: <085f01c4cf32$aa1f29e0$6501a8c0@pavilion>

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/ddadd.html

above is a list of the FCC Offices, I do seem to recall that Belfast was not
an Office, but a Monitoring site. The ARRL announced the Office and
Monitoring station closings in June of 1996


Bill Dunn   N1KUG
http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm [Updated]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sid Whitaker" <sid.whitaker@unh.edu>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 13:26
Subject: Re: FCC offices in Quincy


> Speaking of FCC offices, I seem to recall seeing something years ago about
an
> FCC office in Belfast, ME (of all places), based on accounts from people
at
> stations in Maine that had been fined for violations in the distant past
(like
> in the 70s). I don't think the office is still around (if it ever even
existed
> in the first place). Anyone---Fybes---have any more info?
>
> Sid Whitaker
> Portland, ME
>
> Quoting Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com>:
>
> > A student of mine asked me why there is an FCC office in Quincy, and I
> > truly did not know-- did they move to the suburbs?  I thought the FCC
was
> > somewher in Boston-- it used to be at the Customs House a long time
ago...
> >
> >
>
>
>

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Nov 20 16:00:22 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Nov 20 16:00:34 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
Message-ID: <20041120210022.A864539A7@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>I find no difficulty in listening to Jordan Rich.  I find him to be a gentleman who respects his callers, and many if not most of the topics discussed are non-political

I agree!

In '02, Morgan White, Jr. was filling in for Paul Sullivan and Morgan
had our mutual friend Frank Ochieng on (amateur movie reviewer). I
was in Philly at the time but caught part of it (despite WBZ being
so close to KYW on the dial!) and a friend taped it for me. Well,
Jordan Rich was about to come in to do his show (it was a Fri.
night) and he was impressed so he got Frank to be a guest...and a few times since then, Jordan has had Frank _and_ ex-Ch 7
reporter Garry Armstrong in to talk movies. 

They do it once every three months and it's great to listen to.
Jordan is indeed a friendly guy from what I've heard on the radio
and I'm sure he's just as nice off-air. 

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Sat Nov 20 16:01:25 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat Nov 20 16:01:32 2004
Subject: "Let's Talk About Radio" On WJTO-AM Sunday
Message-ID: <20041120210125.12CD5C6136@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

This Sunday, the 21st, is the third Sunday of the month, so
the November installment of "Let's Talk About Radio" is scheduled
to air on WJTO-AM 730 from 9:00 am till 10:30 am (unless the
cassettes gor lost in transit).  Most of the subjects cover4ed
pertain to southern New England and other parts of the country,
but the AirAmerica Radio remote from Portland is discussed.
Two updates since the taping:  Radio Disney in Boston is now
running IBOC daily on WMKI-AM 1260, Boston from local 
sunrise thru local sunset every day;  and according to Dean 
Johnson of the Boston Herald, the baseball games on XM satellite
radio will be a pickup of the team's originating station, thus
the Red Sox games will feature the WEEI-AM and network announcing
team.
-- 
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From nostaticatall@comcast.net  Sun Nov 21 03:24:40 2004
From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun Nov 21 03:24:58 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
In-Reply-To: <20041120160024.4D35C39BC@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041120160024.4D35C39BC@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <CA432353-3B96-11D9-9D1F-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>

On Nov 20, 2004, at 11:00 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:
> By the way, in my post about the Wisconsin talk show host yesterday:
> my point was that the _mainstream media_ would probably overlook
> his referral to Condi Rice as an "Aunt Jemima" and Colin Powell
> as an "Uncle Tom" (although conservative talk radio did mention it).

And it was a major topic on WKOX/WXKS the day the story broke, so the 
liberal media did not try to bury it, as some conservatives have 
alleged.

> Had a conservative talker like Rush referred to someone in that
> way it would be all over the news.

That's crap.  Just last week a non-syndicated conservative host got 
into hot water for referring to Mexican-Americans as "wetbacks."  That 
story got similar press in industry circles as the liberal host who 
criticized Condi & Colin.  If anything, the liberal host is getting 
slightly more heat since the radio industry tends to lean much more 
conservative than other media.

> Donna did have a point in saying that black people also use these 
> terms (in describing fellow blacks
> as "sellouts" or "subservient") and yes there probably have been
> times when, say, a conservative talk host may have said something
> similarly outrageous (Savage, Rush, Carr, etc.) But when it comes
> to the mainstream media (I know, I must be getting brainwashed by
> Free Republic!), the transgressions of liberals don't get quite the 
> play that the transgressions of conservatives do.

Also keep in mind that conservative talk radio is much more dominant in 
the industry than liberal talk is.  There are simply more chances for 
conservatives to screw up because there are many more shows!  Savage 
says outrageous things all the time but because he generates ratings 
and is good for business, stations look the other way, even if barraged 
by complaints.  Look at what happened at WRKO awhile back with Savage.  
Left leaning talk shows would NEVER get that much leeway.

--Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov 21 07:32:24 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov 21 07:32:38 2004
Subject: Frank Ochieng, movie reviewer
Message-ID: <20041121123224.33F6612D9F@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Just wanted to clarify what I posted here recently about my friend Frank Ochieng, a movie reviewer known world-wide for his talents.
I used the word "amateur" but did not intend to mean "second rate"
as in "boy, that movie was really 'amateur hour'"! I meant he does this not as his main occupation (not sure what, if any, remuneration
he gets from this). He surely is well known amongst film critics,
though.

Frank, who is heard on Jordan Rich's WBZ show once every three
months (next show will be Dec. 4, I believe) contributes to
movieeye.com, Rotten Tomatoes, and the Online Film Critics society.
Noting his talents, I have given him advice and help in the past in terms of suggesting he write a newsletter (which he has, The Voicemakers) and launch a website; and I have had him on my own WMWM show numerous times since 1990 or so. So, Frank, my apologies for the use of the word "amateur"; admittedly, I do these postings in the wee hours of the morning after long nights at the post office and my brain may not have been working on all cylinders!

I hope the folks on the list can check Frank out when he appears
on Saturday night (into Sunday morning) Dec 4 on WBZ; am guessing
Garry Armstrong will also appear and it will be another fun
"Movie Night" with Jordan, Frank, and Garry! When it comes to
talking movies, Frank is definitely no "amateur".--Bob Nelson



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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov 21 08:39:46 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov 21 08:39:56 2004
Subject: Herald column on WI radio host/Rice
Message-ID: <20041121133946.A531939DD@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Beverly Beckham of the Herald comments on the Wisconsin radio host who called Condi Rice an "Aunt Jemima"; you have to pay to access it (or be a subscriber) online (or can see it in the print version of the paper):

http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=55055

Beckham says that the host, "Sly", is doing it for fame and
ratings and asks what does a black person have to do in this country
to get respect when a very intelligent black woman is called an
"Aunt Jemima"? (By the way, when I talked about the mainstream
media downplaying this story, I meant the likes of CNN and the OTA
TV networks, not Air America, which has currently has slightly more affiliates than Baskin Robbins has flavors.)



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From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sun Nov 21 12:40:01 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sun Nov 21 12:39:54 2004
Subject: Herald column on WI radio host/Rice
In-Reply-To: <20041121133946.A531939DD@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041121133946.A531939DD@mprdmxin.myway.com>
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On Nov 21, 2004, at 8:39 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> (By the way, when I talked about the mainstream
> media downplaying this story, I meant the likes of CNN and the OTA
> TV networks, not Air America, which has currently has slightly more 
> affiliates than Baskin Robbins has flavors.)

Why should CNN and the major TV networks be playing up a story 
involving a radio station with a 1.8 rating in the number 98 market in 
the country?  That's about 8 thousand listeners.  Of course if Rush 
Limbaugh had said something this offensive, it would get more play.  
He's got an audience of 20 million (his own estimate).

As it is, the WTDY story is in media from Australia to Arizona.  Hardly 
a conspiracy of silence.

Does CNN play up the rantings of every lunatic shortwave radio host in 
the country?  1670 AM in Madison, Wisconsin isn't too much different.

Mark

From billo@shoreham.net  Sun Nov 21 13:14:39 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:14:48 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
In-Reply-To: <20041120210022.A864539A7@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20041120210022.A864539A7@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <41A0DB0F.9090001@shoreham.net>

Bob Nelson wrote:

>Jordan is indeed a friendly guy from what I've heard on the radio
>and I'm sure he's just as nice off-air. 
>  
>
Haven't worked with/spoken with Jordan in many years but, yes, he is as 
genuine and nice off air as he is on.  Great guy.

Bill O'Neill
From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov 21 23:30:03 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov 21 23:30:18 2004
Subject: NERW: WUVR 1490 in Lebanon, NH on-air
Message-ID: <20041122043003.CA1043979@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Scott Fybush's New England Radio Watch reports that Lebanon, N.H.
has a new station on air as of last Friday: WUVR ("Upper Valley
Radio") 1490, for now // WNTK.

http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html


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From steveord@bit-net.com  Mon Nov 22 08:29:16 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon Nov 22 08:29:11 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
In-Reply-To: <CA432353-3B96-11D9-9D1F-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>
References: <20041120160024.4D35C39BC@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<CA432353-3B96-11D9-9D1F-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041122082403.01af7e30@pop3.bit-net.com>

  David Tomm wrote:
>>Had a conservative talker like Rush referred to someone in that
>>way it would be all over the news.
>
>That's crap.  Just last week a non-syndicated conservative host got into 
>hot water for referring to Mexican-Americans as "wetbacks."  That story 
>got similar press in industry circles as the liberal host who criticized 
>Condi & Colin.  If anything, the liberal host is getting slightly more 
>heat since the radio industry tends to lean much more conservative than 
>other media.

Not sure if it's liberal vs. conservative as much as race itself.  It seems 
that only whites can be racist in the eyes of the media.  Look at remarks 
by former presidential candidates Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton.  There also 
was a Hispanic running for some office in California who also managed to 
get away with remarks about whites that never would have been tolerated the 
other way around.  Why does the news media go so easy on non-white racists? 


From billo@shoreham.net  Mon Nov 22 09:33:57 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill.....)
Date: Mon Nov 22 09:34:07 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
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SteveOrdinetz wrote:

>  
> Why does the news media go so easy on non-white racists?

Thin ice from a business perspective. Also, any racist remark, 
regardless of the source, tends to foster racism from all sides, and 
it's all wrong; it's negatively synergistic.  As for Sharpton and 
Jackson, I'm not sure how seriously they're taken anymore.  They've 
become caracitures of themselves and seem less effective to their 
cause.  Racism can be put down by a sober culture but not eradicated; 
because of that it needs to be respected for the harm that it can 
cause.  Media should be reporting on _that_.

Bill O'Neill

-- 
Peace

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Mon Nov 22 15:33:35 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Mon Nov 22 15:33:45 2004
Subject: Salem running commercials on WBZ?
Message-ID: <200411221533.AA56296080@mail.ttlc.net>

Bill O'Neill wrote:

>... any racist remark, regardless of the source, tends to foster 
>racism from all sides...

Interesting!  One could also say that about political comments on
this list!

...any political remark, regardless of the source, tends to 
foster politics from all sides...

Ducking,

Roger

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov 23 03:22:57 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 03:23:06 2004
Subject: MSNBC: WI talk host apologizes for slur on Rice
Message-ID: <20041123082257.3A7CE39A5@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6561960

The Madison, WI talk host who called Condolezza Rice an "Aunt Jemima" has apologized for the term but he still considers her "an incompetent, dishonest political appointee of the Bush administration"

NAACP president Kweisi Mfume (has) said the attacks on Rice “are just as bad as those who hide under sheets and burn crosses.”


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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov 23 04:04:38 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 04:04:46 2004
Subject: Herald update on Bleidt, WBIX
Message-ID: <20041123090438.0472739D1@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=55357

Today's Herald says that WBIX should continue to operate "at least into next week", according to the court-appointed receiver.

Chris Egan has pledged to pay salaries till Jan 7 but there's no guarantee he'll fund any more than that (having backed out of the deal to buy 'BIX).




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From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Nov 23 07:08:23 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Nov 23 07:08:38 2004
Subject: MSNBC: WI talk host apologizes for slur on Rice
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Bob Nelson wrote:

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6561960
>
>The Madison, WI talk host who called Condolezza Rice an "Aunt Jemima" has apologized for the term but he still considers her "an incompetent, dishonest political appointee of the Bush administration"
>
>NAACP president Kweisi Mfume (has) said the attacks on Rice ?are just as bad as those who hide under sheets and burn crosses.?
>
While there's no, zero, none, nada, null, no place nor excuse for racial 
epithets, opinions about Rice's competence are fair game.

Bill O'Neill
From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Tue Nov 23 09:51:16 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Tue Nov 23 09:51:37 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald update on Bleidt, WBIX
Message-ID: <41A34E63.ACC723C8@Programmer.Net>

Bob Nelson wrote,

> Today's Herald says that WBIX should continue to operate
> "at least into next week"

Well, one casualty to 'BIX has already become apparent:  It
has ceased late-night broadcasting (after either midnight
or 1am?).
As for programming, I'd just as soon they pick up ABC's "Real
Country" birdfeed, though if the format is likely to stay
biz/fin, then it would make sense to just use Bloomberg, 24/7!  P=|

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov 23 10:31:05 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:31:15 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald update on Bleidt, WBIX
Message-ID: <20041123153105.50C7612D67@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>As for programming, I'd just as soon they pick up ABC's "Real Country" birdfeed, though if the format is likely to stay biz/fin, then it would make sense to just use Bloomberg, 24/7!  

Isn't or wasn't WPLM (AM) and WADN doing this? Mostly biz news with some "Real Country" thrown in at certain hours? I wouldn't mind that.

I like classic country. Had a tape trader who was giving me KYCW
1090 out of Seattle, but they recently ditched the Merle, Dolly,
and Patsie for Franken, Garofolo, and Schultz. "Don't rock the
jukebox, I wanna hear George Jones. 'Cause my heart ain't ready
for the Rolling Stones..."

And yes, I also noticed them off at night recently--how ironic that they finally get to do night broadcasting, then all this happens.

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Nov 23 10:34:08 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:34:18 2004
Subject: MSNBC: WI talk host apologizes for slur on Rice
Message-ID: <20041123153408.8F0B812D6D@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>While there's no, zero, none, nada, null, no place nor excuse for racial epithets, opinions about Rice's competence are fair game

Exactly--the former is "getting personal"--and encouraging racism
in general. I heard a caller from the Boston area on Stephanie Miller just now (WKOX/WXKS) refer to
the President as an "evil anti-Christ". Unless Mr. Bush clearly has
horns protruding from his head, I would hope you would stick
to criticizing his policies, ma'am.

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From sid.whitaker@unh.edu  Tue Nov 23 11:02:30 2004
From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Sid Whitaker)
Date: Tue Nov 23 11:03:11 2004
Subject: 105.1 LPFM in Portland
Message-ID: <1101225750.41a35f161026d@webmail.unh.edu>



Last week's Portland Press Herald (sorry, there's no link) had a story about an
LPFM coming on the air in Portland on 105.1. I know the application has been
out there for awhile, but the Press Herald's story reports that the LPFM will
be on the air by the end of the year. This raised several questions in my mind
about LPFM technical requirements: On 105.1 in Portland, I hear WTOS Skowhegan
very clearly. How is that an LPFM could be authorized to operate on an in-use
frequency? Authorizing a 105.1 LPFM in Portland would seem to fly in the face
of any reasonable or rational distance and spacing requirements. More
importantly, have the folks at LPFM 105.1 in Portland turned on a radio and
listened to their prospective frequency? Why would an LPFM operator willingly
subject his/her own station to interference from a full-power station operating
on the same frequency?

I think LPFM is a great idea, but the 105.1 in Portland seems to be a lose-lose:
WTOS loses coverage in the state's largest market, and the LPFM's range and
coverage suffer drastically because it is forced to contend with considerable
intereference anywhere more than a few blocks from its downtown TX site. No
other channel on the entire dial is more open and clear and meets
distance/spacing requirements than 105.1?

Sid Whitaker
Portland, ME
From sid@wrko.com  Tue Nov 23 11:58:35 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue Nov 23 11:59:02 2004
Subject: 105.1 LPFM in Portland
Message-ID: <s1a309de.097@entercom.com>

>> How is that an LPFM could be authorized to operate on an in-use
frequency? Authorizing a 105.1 LPFM in Portland would seem to fly in
the face of any reasonable or rational distance and spacing
requirements.<<

The frequency is not in use (by FCC definition) in Portland, which is
outside WTOS' 60-dBu contour.

>>Why would an LPFM operator willingly subject his/her own station to
interference from a full-power station operating on the same
frequency?<<

Because to many LPFM operators, "I HAVE TO BE ON THE AIR" is the most
important consideration.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com
From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu  Tue Nov 23 14:49:49 2004
From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese)
Date: Tue Nov 23 14:49:56 2004
Subject: Rather announces retirement
Message-ID: <41A3945D.3080708@biochem.bumc.bu.edu>

Just caught this on the CNN website via Netscape Home page.

As has been a topic of discussion here recently, Dan rather will be 
leaving the CBS Evening News in March.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/23/rather.anchor.ap/index.html

Tony
From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Nov 23 18:12:13 2004
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue Nov 23 17:56:58 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald update on Bleidt, WBIX
Message-ID: <BDC92DFC.2040%elipolo@earthlink.net>

>> As for programming, I'd just as soon they pick up ABC's "Real Country"
>> birdfeed, though if the format is likely to stay biz/fin, then it
>> would make sense to just use Bloomberg, 24/7!
> 
> Isn't or wasn't WPLM (AM) and WADN doing this? Mostly biz news with
> some "Real Country" thrown in at certain hours? I wouldn't mind that.

The station that was once WADN (1120 AM) has been WBNW since 1998.

Eli Polonsky

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Nov 23 18:04:51 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue Nov 23 18:05:06 2004
Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald update on Bleidt, WBIX
In-Reply-To: <BDC92DFC.2040%elipolo@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c4d1b0$d6caf110$6400a8c0@AMD>

I think WBNW stopped airing "Real Country" a few months back, but I'm
not positive of that. 1390 WPLM has always gone back to simulcasting
99.1 at 8 PM every night.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

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>> As for programming, I'd just as soon they pick up ABC's "Real
Country"
>> birdfeed, though if the format is likely to stay biz/fin, then it
>> would make sense to just use Bloomberg, 24/7!
> 
> Isn't or wasn't WPLM (AM) and WADN doing this? Mostly biz news with
> some "Real Country" thrown in at certain hours? I wouldn't mind that.

The station that was once WADN (1120 AM) has been WBNW since 1998.

Eli Polonsky


From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Nov 23 21:30:08 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 21:30:38 2004
Subject: Paul Sullivan Hospitalized
Message-ID: <004001c4d1cd$8619dfc0$6f918318@Mark>

  WBZ Radio late night talk show host Paul Sullivan is in Mass General 
Hospital in Boston, where he will undergo surgery tomorrow for a tumor on 
the brain. The Lowell Sun reports that Sullivan was taken to Lowell General 
Hospital yesterday morning, then transferred to Mass General. No further 
word on his condition was made available from a family spokesperson.

   In addition to his hosting WBZ's 10- 12 Mid. talk show, Sullivan works at 
the Lowell Sun, who recently promoted him to Assistant Managing Editor in 
charge of the Sun's State House & Washington bureaus.

   There is a mention of Sullivan's illness via an AP story on WBZ Radio's 
website and was also reported on WCVB's 6 PM news this evening.

Mark Watson 


From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Nov 23 21:36:09 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Nov 23 21:36:14 2004
Subject: Paul Sullivan Hospitalized
In-Reply-To: <004001c4d1cd$8619dfc0$6f918318@Mark>
References: <004001c4d1cd$8619dfc0$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <41A3F399.7030402@shoreham.net>

Mark Watson wrote:

>  WBZ Radio late night talk show host Paul Sullivan is in Mass General 
> Hospital in Boston, where he will undergo surgery tomorrow for a tumor 
> on the brain.

Here's to a speedy recovery for Paul. Prayers go out.

Bill O'Neill
From sid.whitaker@unh.edu  Wed Nov 24 09:17:59 2004
From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Sid Whitaker)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:18:18 2004
Subject: Paul Sullivan Hospitalized
In-Reply-To: <41A3F399.7030402@shoreham.net>
References: <004001c4d1cd$8619dfc0$6f918318@Mark>
	<41A3F399.7030402@shoreham.net>
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Thoughts and prayers are with Paul and his family, and I hope to hear him back
on the air soon. And I think I still owe him for driving me to Lowell General
Hospital in 1994, when I broke my shoulder playing for the WLLH softball
team...(and then driving me down to Boston after I got fitted with a sling!)

Good luck, Paul.

Sid Whitaker


Quoting Bill O'Neill <billo@shoreham.net>:

> Mark Watson wrote:
>
> >  WBZ Radio late night talk show host Paul Sullivan is in Mass General
> > Hospital in Boston, where he will undergo surgery tomorrow for a tumor
> > on the brain.
>
> Here's to a speedy recovery for Paul. Prayers go out.
>
> Bill O'Neill
>



From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Wed Nov 24 15:55:30 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Wed Nov 24 15:55:39 2004
Subject: FCC & Viacom Make Nice
Message-ID: <200411241555.AA1136525462@mail.ttlc.net>

According an article from AIM/CNN, Viacom will pay $3.5 M 
and the FCC will drop 50 investigations into Radio & TV shows 
going back as far as 2001.  The Janet Wardrope Malfunction
is not included in this settlement.  They have 5 days to 
pay the money.

The Center For Public Integrity (Media Watchdog) claims that
while it makes good business sense to acqiesce to FCC oversight,
it has the potential for losing freedom of speech.

The above information was taken from a larger article on AIM
and paraphrased to avoid confrontation with the FBI over 
copyright infringement.




From kaimbridge@programmer.net  Wed Nov 24 18:50:32 2004
From: kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge GoldChild)
Date: Wed Nov 24 18:50:41 2004
Subject: Disregard! (Was: No Loss (2004-Nov-24: Headers Included))
Message-ID: <20041124235032.9B5256EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Whoops!  Disregard that--it was a "419 Fraud" being
forwarded to Secret Service!

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From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 05:50:12 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu Nov 25 05:50:26 2004
Subject: Paul Sullivan Update
Message-ID: <00ae01c4d2dc$8bafaa40$6f918318@Mark>

    Some encouraging news: Today's (Thursday 11/25) Lowell Sun reports that 
WBZ Radio talk host and Lowell Sun columnist Paul Sullivan underwent more 
than 4 hours of brain surgery yesterday at Mass General Hospital. Last night 
Sullivan was alert and was talking with his wife and children, a family 
spokesperson said that he did "remakably well" . Sullivan is expected to 
remain hospitalized for another few days, and could be released sometime 
this weekend, but will have to return to the hospital in about a week for a 
series of treatments.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Mark Watson

 


From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 10:22:43 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu Nov 25 10:22:57 2004
Subject: New Format On WSMN?
Message-ID: <002901c4d302$9fb32690$6f918318@Mark>

   While scanning the radio dial about 9:45 AM today, checking who is & 
isn't doing Thanksgiving High School Football, I caught this on WSMN (1590 
Nashua):

 A continuous loop: a voice saying "CBS Radio Network Channel 42", followed 
by a tone for about 5 seconds, then repeating  "CBS Radio Network...."   Is 
this a computer goof up, or stunting for a new format? Hmmm......

  By the way, surprised that WSMN is still on the air. Last I read a couple 
of months back, there were supposed to be houses built on the land where the 
studios and TX site are.  Maybe there's been a delay in the construction?

Mark Watson 


From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 10:40:33 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu Nov 25 10:40:42 2004
Subject: More Music On WCAP
Message-ID: <002c01c4d305$1b884870$6f918318@Mark>

   WCAP (980 Lowell) is almost talk free now thru Saturday. With the 
exception of today and tomorrow's  "America In The Morning" and "Morning 
Information Team" show and Warren Shaw's Saturday morning gabfest, plus 
Lowell Lock Monsters Hockey Friday & Saturday nights, it's music at 980. 
Today from 9 AM till 5 AM Friday it's an expanded edition of "Music & 
Memories Overnight" with Gary Francis, which is a mix of music from the 
1940's thru 1980's. Friday from 9 AM till hockey time WCAP goes all 
Christmas. After Friday night's regularly scheduled "Music & Memories 
Overnight" and the Sat. AM talk, more Christmas music from 10 AM till 4 or 
4:30 PM, when live coverage of Lowell's City Of Lights parade begins.

   Shameless plug: I will be in the parade, providing the Christmas music 
that will eminate from the 4 Atlas Sound speakers atop the world famous 30 
year old WCAP Mobile Studio, still sporting it's original paint and 
furnishings, and
23,000 +original miles. WCAP owner/ GM Maurice Cohen has a 12 volt DC 
amplifier in place to power the speakers. I think it came from his broadcast 
museum out behind the studios, somewhere near the 70's vintage Pepsi machine 
& used studio and office furniture. <g>

Mark Watson 


From dwcole@comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 11:19:59 2004
From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C)
Date: Thu Nov 25 11:19:58 2004
Subject: New Format On WSMN?
References: <002901c4d302$9fb32690$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <000d01c4d30a$9c9fab60$61f29318@HP310n>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>

>   While scanning the radio dial about 9:45 AM today, checking who is & 
> isn't doing Thanksgiving High School Football, I caught this on WSMN (1590 
> Nashua):
>
> A continuous loop: a voice saying "CBS Radio Network Channel 42", followed 
> by a tone for about 5 seconds, then repeating  "CBS Radio Network...." 
> Is this a computer goof up, or stunting for a new format? Hmmm......
>


That would be one of the many satellite channels CBS uses to send to events 
or programs. (For example, Channel 39 is used for :31 updates, special 
reports and newscalls at :35).  CBS will usually send down an identifier 
loop so the stations know they punched up the proper channel.  Sounds like 
someone brought up a router by mistake and it got to the air.

Dan Cole 


From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 14:38:36 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Thu Nov 25 14:38:39 2004
Subject: New Format On WSMN?
In-Reply-To: <002901c4d302$9fb32690$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <20041125193836.51576.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com>

> A continuous loop: a voice saying "CBS Radio Network Channel 42",
followed by a tone for about 5 seconds, then repeating  "CBS Radio
Network...."  
> Is this a computer goof up, or stunting for a new format? Hmmm......
> Mark Watson 



Mark

You're beating an old horse. I made mention of the CBS Radio Network
channel 42 loop back when Todd F. was still general manager there. What
was that, over 3 years ago. For what little I listen to the "Tiger", I
must have heard that same loop at least 25 times over the last 3 years.
Usually Monday mornings beteen 5am and 6am, on holidays, and after the end
of network sporting events.

Yup WSMN has really gone down hill since I was an in studio guess there,
but they must have been pretty low to begin with to have me as a guest.


John B
Derry


From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Nov 25 17:56:55 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill....)
Date: Thu Nov 25 17:57:17 2004
Subject: More Music On WCAP
In-Reply-To: <002c01c4d305$1b884870$6f918318@Mark>
References: <002c01c4d305$1b884870$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <41A66337.7030805@shoreham.net>

Mark Watson wrote:

>    Shameless plug: I will be in the parade, providing the Christmas 
> music that will eminate from the 4 Atlas Sound speakers atop the world 
> famous 30 year old WCAP Mobile Studio, still sporting it's original 
> paint and furnishings, and
> 23,000 +original miles. WCAP owner/ GM Maurice Cohen has a 12 volt DC 
> amplifier in place to power the speakers. I think it came from his 
> broadcast museum out behind the studios, somewhere near the 70's 
> vintage Pepsi machine & used studio and office furniture. <g>
>
> Mark Watson

Spent many a remote at the old GMC. Mark, try cranking the Bogen past 
"4" and observe neighborhood damage.

<harp sfx> Details fading with age but my most memorable WCAP mobile 
studio flashback was about 20 years ago, mid-80s.  There was some sort 
of "battle of the bands" going on at Cawley Stadium in Lowell (where LHS 
football plays, etc.)  No idea what sales genius thought this one up, 
since we were a full-service AC station whose idea of a risky tune was 
the long version of Beatle's Hey Jude.  This is significant for the fact 
that the bands battling were local garage bands.  Real, honest, Lowell 
garages such that they really sounded a lot *better* in the garage (akin 
to any one of us singing in the shower and thinking we're good.)

It gets worse.  WCAP was to be the "judge" of the top three winners.  It 
was getting very dark.  It was a hot, steamy night in Lowell.  And well, 
we were awash in a full-array of cultural youth all in various stages 
of, shall we say, sobriety?

The bands rumble on.  And on.  It really hurts. Headphones were used 
solely as hearing protection.  The station played it's regular format 
from the studio and none at the site really noticed.  There's the 1974 
GMC Mobile Studio sitting dangerously alone perpendicular to the 50 yard 
line with a conspicuously large gap of space between the studio and the 
bleacher crowd. 

The prizes to award?  Ghetto blast..... er, "boom boxes" became the 
words affixded to the glass in front of the mic.  Nice radios.

Bands are done.  Judging goes on <crickets> and then we arrive at the 
three top bands and then award the second runner up.  Applause, cheers, 
and then the winning band charging toward the yellow submarine looking 
for their boom boxes.  <oops>  The genius account exec. miscalculated 
that *every* kid wants (and deserves) a boom box.  The  dolt, we now 
learn (as we regret the lack of back-up jockey shorts) that all three 
winning bands are to get....ONE radio for the entire band.  All is okay 
until muttering turns to indignation and then expletives become 
unintelligible and then there are the suggestions that are physically 
impossible to perform to oneself.  This radio host, fearing no lie, 
announces to the entire winning band members, "<echo> There will be boom 
boxes for EVERY winning band member....er, um...  TOMORROW!"  Things 
begin to quiet down, images of a flipped-over mobile studio and the 
final scene of the movie "Sand Pebbles" begin to subside.  <harp sfx 
under/out>

Consider that my Alice's Restaurant (needing some major punching up.) 

Happy Thanksgiving all.

Bill  O'Neill
Dracut, Mass.

-- 
 I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and radio. Rodney Dangerfield

From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Nov 25 19:43:00 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill....)
Date: Thu Nov 25 19:43:04 2004
Subject: WCAP Music
Message-ID: <41A67C14.2090901@shoreham.net>

Sitting here back at the homestead in the Town-a-Dracut. Listening to 
the music running on WCAP today. Paul Moriat's Love is Blue just aired 
and it did that flashback-trigger-thing. I was suddenly that 
snotty-nosed smart-%#$  know-it-all cart-jockey in Master Control at 243 
Central, home of the most lurid and exciting alleyway outside the studio 
window.  (We even had the "Official WCAP Alley Beater" (aptly named) by 
the window. Doubled as a window-holder on nights when the AC wasn't needed.

I'll be bold and suggest that it would be a smart move if WCAP blew up 
talk after mornings x 7 and just rolled the nostalgia format 21/7 (plus 
sport events!)  So long as Francis gets to give his voice a rest for 
part of the day!  I could even be convinced to consider blasting some 
voice from the Green Mtn. State.  High speed connections are a wonderful 
thing.  So is a little perspective.

Bill O'Neill

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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Nov 25 20:31:08 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu Nov 25 20:31:40 2004
Subject: WCAP Music
In-Reply-To: <41A67C14.2090901@shoreham.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041125202941.02a43660@pop.registeredsite.com>


>Bill wrote--
>
>I'll be bold and suggest that it would be a smart move if WCAP blew up 
>talk after mornings x 7 and just rolled the nostalgia format 21/7 (plus 
>sport events!)  So long as Francis gets to give his voice a rest for part 
>of the day!  I could even be convinced to consider blasting some voice 
>from the Green Mtn. State.

Hey, I'd love to be back on the air-- I'd gladly do a show on the all new 
WCAP-- I've got a massive collection of folk, swing, jazz, and oldies from 
my years d.j'ing in 4 major markets...


From steveord@bit-net.com  Thu Nov 25 20:54:40 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu Nov 25 20:54:46 2004
Subject: New Format On WSMN?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4d30a$9c9fab60$61f29318@HP310n>
References: <002901c4d302$9fb32690$6f918318@Mark>
	<000d01c4d30a$9c9fab60$61f29318@HP310n>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041125205004.01b70f98@pop3.bit-net.com>

  Dan C wrote:
>That would be one of the many satellite channels CBS uses to send to 
>events or programs. (For example, Channel 39 is used for :31 updates, 
>special reports and newscalls at :35).  CBS will usually send down an 
>identifier loop so the stations know they punched up the proper 
>channel.  Sounds like someone brought up a router by mistake and it got to 
>the air.

Or, more likely the station was airing a game (Ch. 42 is primarily used for 
sports), and Westwood One never sent an "end of game" tone (yes, they still 
use subsonic tones).  Happens way too often.  When I worked for WTPL I 
wired a silence sense relay to the automation so that it would read 1 min 
of dead air as "end of game"....still not foolproof...sometimes they didn't 
wait a full minute before they put the loop on channel.


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Fri Nov 26 00:53:57 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri Nov 26 00:58:24 2004
Subject: WCAP Music
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041125202941.02a43660@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <41A67C14.2090901@shoreham.net>
Message-ID: <41A67EA5.5693.10E8DC5@localhost>

On 25 Nov 2004 at 20:31, Donna Halper wrote:

> Hey, I'd love to be back on the air-- I'd gladly do a show on the all new
> WCAP-- I've got a massive collection of folk, swing, jazz, and oldies from
> my years d.j'ing in 4 major markets...

I didn't know DJs got to keep those records.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Nov 26 02:21:52 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Nov 26 02:22:30 2004
Subject: WCAP Music
In-Reply-To: <41A67EA5.5693.10E8DC5@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041125202941.02a43660@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<41A67C14.2090901@shoreham.net>
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>you wrote--
>
>I didn't know DJs got to keep those records.

Some I kept because they were duplicates-- I spent 13 years as a music 
director, and then I wrote reviews for magazines like Billboard.  The rest, 
I bought.  Mom raised me to be honest...


From news@southstation.org  Fri Nov 26 09:00:52 2004
From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering)
Date: Fri Nov 26 09:01:03 2004
Subject: WCAP Music
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041125202941.02a43660@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <20041126140055.FDYM27048.lakermmtao02.cox.net@main>

I wouldn't mind a show on the air either; lots and lots of oldies on CDs and
records... As long as I could do it over the internet...

Now back to your regularly scheduled dream.

-Larry Lovering

 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 8:31 PM
To: billo@shoreham.net
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: WCAP Music


>Bill wrote--
>
>I'll be bold and suggest that it would be a smart move if WCAP blew up 
>talk after mornings x 7 and just rolled the nostalgia format 21/7 (plus 
>sport events!)  So long as Francis gets to give his voice a rest for 
>part of the day!  I could even be convinced to consider blasting some 
>voice from the Green Mtn. State.

Hey, I'd love to be back on the air-- I'd gladly do a show on the all new
WCAP-- I've got a massive collection of folk, swing, jazz, and oldies from
my years d.j'ing in 4 major markets...




From gary@garysicecream.com  Fri Nov 26 11:38:54 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Fri Nov 26 11:39:04 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
Message-ID: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>

Does anyone know why WLLH (1400am Lowell) has been off the air for over a 
week.  The Lawrence transmitter is up, but the Lowell one has been off the 
air close to 10 days.  Did they forget to renew the lease with the city for 
the land?

-g

From steveord@bit-net.com  Fri Nov 26 14:18:58 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri Nov 26 14:18:52 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20041126141754.01b17bd0@pop3.bit-net.com>

At 11:38 AM 11/26/2004, gic wrote:
>Does anyone know why WLLH (1400am Lowell) has been off the air for over a 
>week.  The Lawrence transmitter is up, but the Lowell one has been off the 
>air close to 10 days.  Did they forget to renew the lease with the city 
>for the land?


Someone reported hearing white noise on 1400 on this board last week.  STL 
problems maybe?


From billo@shoreham.net  Fri Nov 26 15:20:47 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri Nov 26 15:22:50 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <41A7901F.4080409@shoreham.net>



gic wrote:

> Does anyone know why WLLH  (1400am Lowell) has been off the air for 
> over a week.  The Lawrence transmitter is up, but the Lowell one has 
> been off the air close to 10 days.  Did they forget to renew the lease 
> with the city for the land?

I was in Lawrence today and could tell it was the Lawrence station I 
could hear.  I was surprised that installation even worked.  I thought 
LLH was being sold or changing formats or something?

Bill O'Neill
From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 18:33:44 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:33:46 2004
Subject: New Format On WSMN?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4d30a$9c9fab60$61f29318@HP310n>
Message-ID: <20041126233344.36413.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>

Recent FCC license action indicates that somebody somewhere thinks that
WSMN will still be around.


RP - REMOTE PICKUP


RP KCF788
THE WSMN CORPORATION
NASHUA, NH
10/28/04 Authorization Printed
10/28/04 License Modified
1 - HILLSBOROUGH County
26.07 FB 60w
26.11 MO 60w

RP KD5574
THE WSMN CORPORATION
NASHUA, NH
10/28/04 Authorization Printed
10/28/04 License Modified
1 - Other - Narrative
GREENVILLE SC
161.67 MO 110w

RP KD5575
THE WSMN CORPORATION
NASHUA, NH
10/28/04 Authorization Printed
10/28/04 License Modified
1 - Other - Narrative
GREENVILLE SC
161.67 MO 110w

RP KD5912
THE WSMN CORPORATION
NASHUA, NH
10/28/04 Authorization Printed
10/28/04 License Modified
1 - Other - Narrative
VIC:NASHUA NH
26.07 MO 60w
26.11 MO 60w




John B
Derry NH
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 27 00:00:18 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov 27 00:03:03 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <41A7901F.4080409@shoreham.net>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>

On 26 Nov 2004 at 15:20, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> I was in Lawrence today and could tell it was the Lawrence station I could
> hear.  I was surprised that installation even worked.  I thought LLH was
> being sold or changing formats or something?

How can people tell that?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Nov 27 08:15:26 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:15:49 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
	<41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>
Message-ID: <001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

In Lowell, the signal from the Lawrence transmitter can't be as good as the
signal from the Lowell transmitter would be if it were operating. I imagine
that there is more interference (and maybe some spots in Lowll where the
Lawrence signal fades out). If you are between Lowell and Lawrence or in
an area where the two transmitters are roughly equidistant and both are
operating, you can hear the two signals duking it out. The signal strength
slowly rises and falls at a rate that depends on the frequency difference.
When the two signals roughly cancel each other out, there is also quite
noticeable audio distortion. At night, under normal DX conditions, you'd
know for sure that the signal was coming from several miles farther away
than usual because of the skywave interference from the 200 or so other
graveyarders on 1400. BTW, I'm not even positive that the Lawrence
transmitter runs a full kilowatt, whereas the Lowell transmitter does. The
Lowell transmitter is no longer a rooftop installation. It now has a
conventional antenna. And in researching this post, I discovered that the
Lawrence transmitter must have been deleted (accridentally, I presume) from
the FCC's AM database. What I believe to be the most recent release of Bob
Carpenter's AMSTNS program, which uses the FCC database, contains no record
for WLLH's Lawrence transmitter.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Joseph Ross <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: <billo@shoreham.net>
Cc: Boston radio e-mail list <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: WLLH off air


> On 26 Nov 2004 at 15:20, Bill O'Neill wrote:
>
> > I was in Lawrence today and could tell it was the Lawrence station I
could
> > hear.  I was surprised that installation even worked.  I thought LLH was
> > being sold or changing formats or something?
>
> How can people tell that?
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Sat Nov 27 08:45:38 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:45:45 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
	<41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>
	<001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
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>And in researching this post, I discovered that the
>Lawrence transmitter must have been deleted (accridentally, I presume) from
>the FCC's AM database. What I believe to be the most recent release of Bob
>Carpenter's AMSTNS program, which uses the FCC database, contains no record
>for WLLH's Lawrence transmitter.

Indeed, there's little trace of it now in the FCC's CDBS database. Best I 
can come up with is file # BREX-201, which was the 1978 license to cover 
for the Lawrence signal (presumably when both went up to a kilowatt?)

The FCC's database has always been a little flaky when it comes to records 
for experimental operations, which WLLH's Lawrence signal is and has always 
been. (If it were granted now instead of 65 years ago, it would have a 
callsign like WL2XLH, I suspect.)

s 

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sat Nov 27 10:47:16 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sat Nov 27 10:47:56 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office><41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>
	<001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <002801c4d498$62b28280$1404fea9@xyz>

From: "Dan Strassberg"

> And in researching this post, I discovered that the
> Lawrence transmitter must have been deleted (accridentally, I presume)
from
> the FCC's AM database. What I believe to be the most recent release of Bob
> Carpenter's AMSTNS program, which uses the FCC database, contains no
record
> for WLLH's Lawrence transmitter.

Did it ever?

I remember looking up WLLH years ago in the FCC records and only seeing the
Lowell transmitter listed.

Radio-Locator.com only lists Lowell too.

Could it be that because the dual transmitter is (still) considered
'experimental' in FCC language, that the Lawrence transmitter is/was never
given full accreditation in the FCC database?

From lglavin@lycos.com  Sat Nov 27 13:54:35 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat Nov 27 13:54:46 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
Message-ID: <20041127185435.89CBB86B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
>To: "Dan Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>, "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>, "Bill >O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
>Subject: Re: WLLH off air
>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:45:38 -0500

> >And in researching this post, I discovered that the
> >Lawrence transmitter must have been deleted (accridentally, I presume) from
> >the FCC's AM database. What I believe to be the most recent release of Bob
> >Carpenter's AMSTNS program, which uses the FCC database, contains no record
> >for WLLH's Lawrence transmitter.
> 
> Indeed, there's little trace of it now in the FCC's CDBS database. Best I 
> can come up with is file # BREX-201, which was the 1978 license to cover 
> for the Lawrence signal (presumably when both went up to a kilowatt?)
> The FCC's database has always been a little flaky when it comes to records 
> for experimental operations, which WLLH's Lawrence signal is and has always 
> been. (If it were granted now instead of 65 years ago, it would have a 
> callsign like WL2XLH, I suspect.)
> 
> s 
> 
Some time ago, the Jibguy mentioned v-soft.com, a site that presents a list 
of radio signals available at a given zip-code.  I entered 01844, and
sure enough, a multitude of stations from the strongest to the weakest)
with my headset radio, a 
appeared, and WLLH-AM was somewhere around the middle/.  That's because 
the programm assumed WLLH operated only at its Lowell site.  At my home,
WLLH comes in at the same signal strength or maybe even better than
WNNW, WRKO, WBZ and WCEC.  (BTW, v-soft.com doesn't work right now,
Saturday, Nov 27 at 1:41 pm EST).  I'm sorry I didn't know about the
disappearance of the WLLH-AM signal from  Lowell last Thursday...
I went to a restaurant in Concord, Mass. and would have been pleased
to sample the daytime coverage area of the Lawrence stick (and I mean
"stick").  However, this morning, I did drive out to the Lowell
antenna site tuned to WLLH all the way, thus observing the lack of a 
wavering, short-wave effect all through Dracut!  I parked at LelaCheur 
Pahk and walked over to the transmitter building (the gate was open).
People driving by on the Lowell-Lawrence Blvd must have thought it
odd that a man was standing next to a tower with a headset radio on,
but I had to confirm that there was radio silence, that the transmitter
was running but disconnected from the tower.  It wasn't.  When I turned
my radio "sideways" to Lawrence, WLLH disappeared;  also I got good 
reception of WFEA-AM 1370 Manchester, NH and WXKS-AM 1430, Medford/Everett.
Then I drove around Lowell to test the Lawrence signal, and it
seemed as good in Lowell as WCCM-AM 1490's signal is in Lawrence.
If the Lawrence transmitter isn't running 1,000 watts, it's close
enough, I think.  I hope that g.i.c. will keep tabs on the 1400 frequency
and alert the Group when the Lowell service resumes.  In the 
past, WLLH's Lawrence transmitter has been off-the-air many,
many times...this is the first time I've experienced the opposite.
Could it be that the owners determined there's no Spanish-
speaking audience to speak of in the Swindle, I mean Spindle
City, and they intend to operate out of Lawrence exclusively?


Laurence from Methuen

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From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Sat Nov 27 14:41:31 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Sat Nov 27 14:41:33 2004
Subject: Star 93.7 Missing Person
Message-ID: <200411271441.AA3241869478@mail.ttlc.net>

Anybody know where (whisper quickly at :45) WQSX-FM Lawrence-Boston 
Music Director (and Midnite guy) Rob Tyler went?


From nostaticatall@comcast.net  Sat Nov 27 15:45:12 2004
From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sat Nov 27 15:45:25 2004
Subject: Star 93.7 Missing Person
In-Reply-To: <200411271441.AA3241869478@mail.ttlc.net>
References: <200411271441.AA3241869478@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <3C02FEC2-40B5-11D9-B825-000A95DCEF88@comcast.net>

He was let go a couple weeks back.  Apparently his position was 
eliminated due to budget cuts.  One of their part-timers is tracking 
overnights and I'm assuming the PD has absorbed the MD duties.  There 
have been some reports that Rob has made his way back to PRO-FM where 
he worked before Star.

--Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Nov 27, 2004, at 2:41 PM, rogerkirk wrote:

> Anybody know where (whisper quickly at :45) WQSX-FM Lawrence-Boston
> Music Director (and Midnite guy) Rob Tyler went?
>
>

From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Nov 27 22:47:14 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Nov 27 22:47:31 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
	<41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>
	<001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <41A94A42.7020903@shoreham.net>

Dan Strassberg wrote:

>I'm not even positive that the Lawrence
>transmitter runs a full kilowatt, whereas the Lowell transmitter does. The
>Lowell transmitter is no longer a rooftop installation. It now has a
>conventional antenna. And in researching this post, I discovered that the
>Lawrence transmitter must have been deleted (accridentally, I presume) from
>the FCC's AM database. What I believe to be the most recent release of Bob
>Carpenter's AMSTNS program, which uses the FCC database, contains no record
>for WLLH's Lawrence transmitter.
>
IIRC, the Lowell XMTR actually was only putting out 600+ watts (670 I  
believe) when all things were considered for the improved ground plane 
as well as the closer distance to Lawrence than at the Giant Store 
location.  Also, with the new Harris and all new air chain, the  Lowell 
station had more going for it.  I remember being on the air there 
("Modern Country" incarnation) when the Lowell side failed (you could 
actually see the xmtr through the booth window) but there was still 
decent air monitor in the cans during a live read when it all dropped.  
Noise floor did rise but not too much.  It was later in the AM in summer.

Bill O'Neill
From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Nov 27 22:51:00 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Nov 27 22:51:16 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20041127084248.01f4a3c0@gwind.pair.com>
References: <066301c4d3d6$6b4c4880$6500a8c0@office>
	<41A7C392.19153.6CA93A@localhost>
	<001b01c4d483$3204dbc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<6.0.1.1.0.20041127084248.01f4a3c0@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41A94B24.50005@shoreham.net>

Scott Fybush wrote:

>
> Indeed, there's little trace of it now in the FCC's CDBS database. 
> Best I can come up with is file # BREX-201, which was the 1978 license 
> to cover for the Lawrence signal (presumably when both went up to a 
> kilowatt?)
>
> The FCC's database has always been a little flaky when it comes to 
> records for experimental operations, which WLLH's Lawrence signal is 
> and has always been. (If it were granted now instead of 65 years ago, 
> it would have a callsign like WL2XLH, I suspect.)
>
> s
>
Yes, I think it was 78 when they were granted to go up from 250 night to 
stay at a kW.  I remember an FCC tech I spoke with years ago who said 
that the legal ID was "WLLH Lowell _and_ Lawrence" or Lawrence _and_ 
Lowell. Either was fine.  The "and" was part of the ID.  The ID could 
have also been "WLLH Lowell WLLH Lawrence" but that would have been too 
silly.

Bill O'Neill
From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Nov 27 22:59:26 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat Nov 27 23:00:02 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041127225413.02b8aeb0@pop.registeredsite.com>

Okay fine, now I've heard everything.  I think we would all agree, no 
matter what our political persuasions, that Dean Johnson, the media critic 
for the Boston Herald, has always been fair and unlike a certain former 
columnist for the Globe, he is pretty accurate.  I just heard from Dean 
(we've been friends for years) and he is really upset-- they've cancelled 
his radio column and after 20 years of doing it, I fail to see why it got 
the axe.  Lord knows there is plenty to write about, especially given how 
important radio has become in the political scene and how much news about 
radio has made all the various media outlets this year.  One would think 
the Herald would respect Dean's expertise-- but evidently 20 years of doing 
a good job doesn't mean much at the Herald... [rant mode off]  


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Nov 27 23:39:42 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Nov 27 23:40:40 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <41A94B24.50005@shoreham.net>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20041127084248.01f4a3c0@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41A9103E.23854.9C51FC@localhost>

On 27 Nov 2004 at 22:51, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> Yes, I think it was 78 when they were granted to go up from 250 night to
> stay at a kW.  I remember an FCC tech I spoke with years ago who said that
> the legal ID was "WLLH Lowell _and_ Lawrence" or Lawrence _and_ Lowell.
> Either was fine.  The "and" was part of the ID.  The ID could have also
> been "WLLH Lowell WLLH Lawrence" but that would have been too silly.

But it reminds me of the stations years ago that used to ID something like "WHDH and 
WHDH-FM, Boston."  From what I understand, that's the legally correct ID, but it was more 
common to say "AM and FM" after the base call letters.

The FCC database seems to be so full of errors, I wonder whether any station has ever been 
accused of illegal operating when it was just the FCC database that was wrong. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From scott@fybush.com  Sat Nov 27 23:45:47 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat Nov 27 23:45:58 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <41A9103E.23854.9C51FC@localhost>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20041127084248.01f4a3c0@gwind.pair.com>
	<41A9103E.23854.9C51FC@localhost>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041127234151.01ffca30@gwind.pair.com>

At 11:39 PM 11/27/2004, A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>But it reminds me of the stations years ago that used to ID something like 
>"WHDH and
>WHDH-FM, Boston."  From what I understand, that's the legally correct ID, 
>but it was more
>common to say "AM and FM" after the base call letters.

Garrett will no doubt chime in here, but in fact the legally correct ID 
(with the caveat that I'm not a lawyer of any stripe) would be "WHDH 
Boston, WHDH-FM Boston." The FCC has never taken action, so far as I know, 
against stations that ID as "WHDH and WHDH-FM Boston" or "WHDH AM and FM 
Boston," though, and I've certainly heard examples far more egregiously wrong.

>The FCC database seems to be so full of errors, I wonder whether any 
>station has ever been
>accused of illegal operating when it was just the FCC database that was 
>wrong.

The CDBS system explicitly states that it's not to be considered a primary 
source. I believe the FCC's own paper files are still considered the final 
authority when it comes to what's authorized or not - though even THOSE are 
incomplete. The FCC has no records of who was authorized for pre-sunrise 
and post-sunset AM power in the eighties, so it's basically up to stations 
to carefully preserve the authorizations they were issued back then by a 
now-obsolete computer system that calculated acceptable PSRA and PSSA power 
levels. Your government in action!

s 

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Nov 28 00:10:34 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Nov 28 00:11:29 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20041127234151.01ffca30@gwind.pair.com>
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On 27 Nov 2004 at 23:45, Scott Fybush wrote:

> The CDBS system explicitly states that it's not to be considered a primary
> source. I believe the FCC's own paper files are still considered the final
> authority when it comes to what's authorized or not - though even THOSE
> are incomplete. The FCC has no records of who was authorized for
> pre-sunrise and post-sunset AM power in the eighties, so it's basically up
> to stations to carefully preserve the authorizations they were issued back
> then by a now-obsolete computer system that calculated acceptable PSRA and
> PSSA power levels. Your government in action!

Sounds like some City of Boston agencies I've dealt with.  In the days of rent control, any 
landlord who had a vacancy decontrol certificate was well-advised to keep it in a safe place, 
and anyone buying a building with supposedly vacancy-decontrolled units was well-advised 
to get the certificates from the seller.  Plenty of times, the Rent Board didn't have any record 
of the certificates they'd issued. 

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Sun Nov 28 13:13:27 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun Nov 28 13:13:35 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
Message-ID: <20041128181327.305D986B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
>To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted 
>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:59:26 -0500

> 
> Okay fine, now I've heard everything.  I think we would all agree, no 
> matter what our political persuasions, that Dean Johnson, the media critic 
> for the Boston Herald, has always been fair and unlike a certain former 
> columnist for the Globe, he is pretty accurate.  I just heard from Dean 
> (we've been friends for years) and he is really upset-- they've cancelled 
> his radio column and after 20 years of doing it, I fail to see why it got 
> the axe.  Lord knows there is plenty to write about, especially given how 
> important radio has become in the political scene and how much news about 
> radio has made all the various media outlets this year.  One would think 
> the Herald would respect Dean's expertise-- but evidently 20 years of doing 
> a good job doesn't mean much at the Herald... [rant mode off]  
> 
> 
>OK, this takes away the reason for ever buying the Herald.  Wait a
minute, I never BUY the Herald, I've got a greay deal going at
work: I give the sports section of the Globe to a co-worker, and when
he's done with it, he gives me a whole Herald in return.
But anyway, this is art of a pattern...the Herald axed Monica Collins'
TV columns, though she pulled a Dan Rather and lingered for a while
with a once-a-week "metropolitan" column.  Now she does similar duty
for the Globe's Sunday magazine.  Apparently the Herald distrusts the printed
WORD, and wants only headline writers now.

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From sps199@psu.edu  Sun Nov 28 13:51:08 2004
From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun Nov 28 13:51:59 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
Message-ID: <200411281851.NAA17070@webmail7.cac.psu.edu>

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:59:26 +0000, Donna Halper wrote:
> Okay fine, now I've heard everything.  I think we would all agree, no 
> matter what our political persuasions, that Dean Johnson, the media critic 
> for the Boston Herald, has always been fair and unlike a certain former 
> columnist for the Globe, he is pretty accurate.  I just heard from Dean 
> (we've been friends for years) and he is really upset-- they've cancelled 
> his radio column and after 20 years of doing it, I fail to see why it got 
> the axe.  Lord knows there is plenty to write about, especially given how 
> important radio has become in the political scene and how much news about 
> radio has made all the various media outlets this year.  One would think 
> the Herald would respect Dean's expertise-- but evidently 20 years of doing 
> a good job doesn't mean much at the Herald... [rant mode off]  

The paper's going into the toilet, anyway. Gotta wonder how long Purcell can
hold on... and if Murdoch will step in and bail him out if the going gets
super-tough.

From miscon@miscon.net  Sun Nov 28 14:16:23 2004
From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control)
Date: Sun Nov 28 14:16:34 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
Message-ID: <200411281416.AA60621018@miscon.net>

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
Reply-To: billo@shoreham.net
Date:  Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:47:14 -0500
<snip>
>I remember being on the air there 
>("Modern Country" incarnation) when the Lowell side failed (you could 
>actually see the xmtr through the booth window) 

Remember the Western Electric "back-up" transmitter next to it, Bill? I'm pretty sure I still have the original documentation for it! It was WLLH's first transmitter, IIRC, and when they moved from 4 Broadway it was offered up to the Smithsonian... they refused only because they wanted nothing to do with the PCB's in the caps... don't know whatever happened to it... wish I had grabbed it... heheh - though Mr. Lerner *did* let me take the old Coke machine. Oh, the crap I save.

Mike
From billo@shoreham.net  Sun Nov 28 15:56:41 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun Nov 28 15:56:47 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
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Sean Smyth wrote:

>The paper's going into the toilet, anyway. Gotta wonder how long Purcell can
>hold on... and if Murdoch will step in and bail him out if the going gets
>super-tough.
>
>
>  
>
...and I've refused to even visit The Rekkid's website since they charge 
for anything beyond the opening paragraph.  Not worth it.

Bill O'Neill
From lglavin@lycos.com  Sun Nov 28 16:01:00 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:01:08 2004
Subject: V-Soft.com Now Working (Sort Of)
Message-ID: <20041128210100.D13023384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Yesterday I mentioned that v-soft.com, a site that allegedly 
displays receivable radio stations' signal strength once you supply the zip
cose wasn't working.  Today, it's up and running, BUT some of the data 
are V-E-R-Y questionable.  As I mentioned before, it assumes that
the only WLLH on the air is the one in Lowell, so it lists 1400
as about 36th in signal strength.  But, it places such non-receivable
AM's as 890 in Dedham;  990 in Greenville, RI; and 1120 in Concord,
MA ahead of the WLLH Lowell signal!  Duh.  On another occasion,
at another site, I used V-Soft.com to measure the apparent signal
of a rim-shot FM near Indianapolis.  Upon further review of its 
efficacy in Methuen, MA,  I must question its utility period.



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From billo@shoreham.net  Sun Nov 28 16:04:38 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:04:43 2004
Subject: WLLH off air
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Message-ID: <41AA3D66.9070302@shoreham.net>

Mission Control wrote:

>Remember the Western Electric "back-up" transmitter next to it, Bill? I'm pretty sure I still have the original documentation for it! It was WLLH's first transmitter, IIRC, and when they moved from 4 Broadway it was offered up to the Smithsonian... they refused only because they wanted nothing to do with the PCB's in the caps... don't know whatever happened to it... wish I had grabbed it... heheh - though Mr. Lerner *did* let me take the old Coke machine. Oh, the crap I save.
>
>Mike
>
>  
>
...and you're still charging a nickel a bottle.  You have to get with 
the times, Mr. Mike.  You must still have fond memories of the original 
broom-closet-WLLH-FM studio.  Can't believe it only a couple of decades 
ago when the to-be WSSH-then-WKLB was a rack of RRs, a Flintstone-age 
automation and carousel cart machines as old as Fibber McGee <g>.  A 50 
kW FM that wastes no signal to the fishes as an afterthought to a 1 
kW/250 AMer. 

Bill O'Neill
From billo@shoreham.net  Sun Nov 28 16:13:22 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:13:26 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
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Donna Halper wrote:

> Okay fine, now I've heard everything.  I think we would all agree, no 
> matter what our political persuasions, that Dean Johnson, the media 
> critic for the Boston Herald, has always been fair and unlike a 
> certain former columnist for the Globe, he is pretty accurate.  I just 
> heard from Dean (we've been friends for years) and he is really 
> upset-- they've cancelled his radio column and after 20 years of doing 
> it, I fail to see why it got the axe.

That is ridiculous of the Herald to axe Johnson.  I agree that Dean is a 
rare talent in media & entertainment reporting.  (He even interviewed me 
in 1982 and even spelled my name right.)

Bill O'Neill
From paulcurrier@adelphia.net  Sun Nov 28 16:32:59 2004
From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier)
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:33:06 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted 
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Message-ID: <00bc01c4d591$d5831b90$5c5ba445@DG07P241>

Incredible!  He's only the best and most knowledgeable radio reporter since
Bill Buchanan wrote for the Record!

Paul/Cape Cod

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Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:59 PM
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted


> Okay fine, now I've heard everything.  I think we would all agree, no
> matter what our political persuasions, that Dean Johnson, the media critic
> for the Boston Herald, has always been fair and unlike a certain former
> columnist for the Globe, he is pretty accurate.  I just heard from Dean
> (we've been friends for years) and he is really upset-- they've cancelled
> his radio column and after 20 years of doing it, I fail to see why it got
> the axe.  Lord knows there is plenty to write about, especially given how
> important radio has become in the political scene and how much news about
> radio has made all the various media outlets this year.  One would think
> the Herald would respect Dean's expertise-- but evidently 20 years of
doing
> a good job doesn't mean much at the Herald... [rant mode off]
>
>
>


From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Nov 28 16:37:40 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:37:54 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted 
Message-ID: <20041128213740.783A912CEF@mprdmxin.myway.com>


It's a shame he got the axe. Maybe they want freelancers to do the occasional article about radio. You're right, there's more than
enough to write about. While we're at it, remember the days when
the Boston Phoenix would provide radio _listings_? They still do
"Hot Dots" for TV but as for radio, they apparently feel giving
ink to stations _besides_ their WFNX is a bad thing.



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From ssmyth@psu.edu  Sun Nov 28 18:08:12 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun Nov 28 18:08:17 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
Message-ID: <200411282308.SAA01690@webmail7.cac.psu.edu>

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:13:22 +0000, "Bill O'Neill" wrote:
> That is ridiculous of the Herald to axe Johnson.  

Not to be the nit-picker, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that Johnson
was axed, just his column. He is an entertainment reviewer at large and does a
number of other things there at the paper, including covering shows and comic
performances. 

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Nov 28 18:45:30 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun Nov 28 18:46:00 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
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>you wrote--
>Not to be the nit-picker, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that Johnson
>was axed, just his column.

And that's what I said.  He has used that column for 20 years to report on 
not just celebrity stuff but on issues about radio.  He is very upset, as 
am I, that it was axed.  He has also had his own duties reduced, but that's 
another matter.  I still disagree with the Herald on this one-- we need 
*more* credible reporting about media, not less.   And Dean was credible.


From gary@garysicecream.com  Sun Nov 28 18:57:02 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Sun Nov 28 18:57:20 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
References: <200411282308.SAA01690@webmail7.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <0b5101c4d5a5$f5481ac0$6500a8c0@office>

Dean is also a restaurant review correspondent for the Lowell Sun.

gary francis
wcap
(the radio station in lowell whos transmitter IS on the air)

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Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Dean Johnson gets shafted


> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:13:22 +0000, "Bill O'Neill" wrote:
>> That is ridiculous of the Herald to axe Johnson.
>
> Not to be the nit-picker, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that 
> Johnson
> was axed, just his column. He is an entertainment reviewer at large and 
> does a
> number of other things there at the paper, including covering shows and 
> comic
> performances.
> 

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 12:25:10 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Mon Nov 29 12:25:53 2004
Subject: Heather Khan / Lester Strong? 
Message-ID: <057d01c4d638$660c20c0$1404fea9@xyz>

Someone has been looking for these two...and asked me to put out the word.

Anyone know where Heather Khan can be found?  (Name/Address, etc?)

Also...Lester Strong?  Is he gone from Channel 7? Where now?

Thanks!

From lglavin@lycos.com  Mon Nov 29 16:39:03 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon Nov 29 16:39:13 2004
Subject: Dean Johnson gets shafted
Message-ID: <20041129213903.293FA86B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
>To: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Subject: Re: Dean Johnson gets shafted
>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:57:02 -0500

> 
> Dean is also a restaurant review correspondent for the Lowell Sun.
> 
> gary francis
> wcap
> (the radio station in lowell whos transmitter IS on the air)
> 

Don't forget WUML-FM, that "pirate" AT 1570, and WKLB is still licensed to Lowell.
(Thanx for the info that AM 1400 in Lowell continues radio silence;
I listened to the Lawrence transmitter a little while ago on route
128 and it was coming in quite well 18 to 20 miles away before sunset)

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From jbrouns@stonesfan.nl  Sun Nov 28 13:51:21 2004
From: jbrouns@stonesfan.nl (Julien Brouns)
Date: Tue Nov 30 12:01:55 2004
Subject: Rolling Stones - 1969 tour information request
Message-ID: <000001c4d57b$40a69850$6401a8c0@acer1356lmi>

Hello to you all,

Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Dolf van Lieshout and I
live 
in the Netherlands (Europe). Currently I am working on a book of the
Rolling 
Stones American Tour of 1969. I really would like your help on this
matter.

Through reasearch I found out that the Stones gave 2 concerts on
november 
29th 1969 at Boston Gardens. These shows were presented by an Master of 
Ceremonies (MC) of WMEX radio called "Cousin Duffy". Can anyone tell me
more 
about the person or this radiostation? Also I am intersting in a Boston 
promotor of that time called Frank Connelly and the owner of the Garden
at 
that time, Eddie Powers.

If you have info on the subjects mentioned above email me: 
dolfvanlieshout@yahoo.com

People who witnessed the 1969 Boston show or another show of the 1969
tour 
are more than welcomed to reply!

Best regards from chilly Europe,

Dolf

From mark.springer@gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 03:38:03 2004
From: mark.springer@gmail.com (Mark Springer)
Date: Tue Nov 30 12:02:57 2004
Subject: WPLM AM & FM
Message-ID: <eb1f51ac0411290038599fbce8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to the list...
Grew up in Plymouth lsitening to WPLM ("We Play Lousy Music") which
back in the 60's and 70's was owned by Jack Campbell and had a format
best described as adult easy listening...lots of big bands, smooth
stuff that drove us kids crazy.
I remember morning guy Gary Collard, listened to him for years and
finally one day when I was old enough and adventurous enough to make
the journey from Manomet to "Marconi Hill" on Rte. 3 to visit the
station I looked through the big studio window and was shcoked as heck
that the man looked nothing like the voice, LOL.
I eventually developed the usual "kid interested in radio"
relationship with the station that allowed me almost free run of the
place (the transmitter room seemed off limits cuz the Chief seemed so
scary!
WPLM FM ran a subcarrier- the Campbell Music Service- which had a lot
of big clients including the Boston Edison Nuclear Group offices.
I ran the "board" at Plymouth Town Meeting several times (what a
classic that thing was, like 3 pots, binding posts for the phone line,
and a separate transistor radio to monitor it on.
I also worked one Christmas season running the "Edaville tapes"-
Edaville Railroad was a CMS client and I guess they had a separate
Subcarrier because I would stop one of the big decks and play a few
Christmas songs to mix it up, the restart the deck.
Oh yeah- one morning I woke up and turned onthe radio and WPLM was
playing Smoke on the Water or something...I freaked out and called and
the younger, hipper engineer told me they were doing some station
upgrapdes and forgot the transmitter was on. That was hilarious.
A few of us in Plymouth-Carver High School started a "Radio Club" and
got some weekly airtime (72 or 73) for a show called "Getting to Know
Us". About that time some kids down on the Cape had a similar deal on
the fm station in Hyannis (I think).
I would be happy to share more reminiscences about WPLM with anyone
interested. I was also a big WMEX listener (I hated WRKO!) and every
night when John H or Bud Ballou (depending on when sunset was) would
say "Goodbye Cape Cod" as they phased, I would tune in WKBW which just
poured in!
de WL7BCT, Mark in Bethel, Alaska
From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov 30 17:39:12 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov 30 17:39:21 2004
Subject: Interesting Stuff In Today's Applications
Message-ID: <20041130223912.3375886B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

Who can get through the day without checking the FCC's
Daily Digest?  And today's (11/30) Applications list contained
two tid bits that might be of interest:
First, when WPAA-FM 91.7 Andover, MA said sayonara, the question was 
raised "who will take advantage of the opening?".  Apparently
WNEF, Newburyport is first out of the gate.  BPED20041124AGW is
an application to increase the ERP of its Amesbury, MA transmitter.
Then, right at the point that AM 1510 The Zone has become more
irrelevant (if possible), a Connecticut upstart wants to impinge on
its signal.  A new station authorized for Uncasville, CT, BNP20041029AJN,
previously slotted for 1490, now wants to move to 1510!  Hey, didn't
WWZN loosen up its non-critical-daytime pattern to reflect the 
disappearance of WNLC-AM?

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Nov 30 18:17:32 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Nov 30 18:17:39 2004
Subject: Boston Globe Article About WBUR
Message-ID: <20041130231732.9F818E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>

Today's (11/30) Boston Globe contained an interview with 
mustachioed WBUR head honcho Peter Fiedler.   His plans for 
the station, and his intention NOT to be a career CEO 
at WBUR are outlined in the article, viewable (temporarily)
at:

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/11/30/tuned_in_to_need_for_change/
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From paulcurrier@adelphia.net  Tue Nov 30 18:33:44 2004
From: paulcurrier@adelphia.net (Paul B. Currier)
Date: Tue Nov 30 18:33:49 2004
Subject: WPLM AM & FM
References: <eb1f51ac0411290038599fbce8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013c01c4d735$0873ecb0$5c5ba445@DG07P241>

Hi Mark.....and so am I.....

I was a long time long ago listener to WPLM (We Play Lovely Music) also.
During the Gary Collard times they were not a format station as far as I
could determine.  Steven Horatio Coleman on Sunday Mornings was my favorite
listen of the week on 'PLM.  I think these folks and their comtemporaries
were playing what they wanted to play within guidelines as they were able to
and did enjoy and converse quite intelligently about their music.  The
station floundered after Jack and became more contemporary but did hire -
name escapes me but I can picture his face (someone will fill in the gap) -
a long time Boston radio-tv personality for midnights which was a truly
excellent show.  But he and the crew much to my dismay were canned for the
tapes or whatever of the smooth jazz society - now gone for whatever
listenable schlock.  It's not offensive and has some good music sprinkled in
among whatever the format is.

Ed Perry of WATD 95.9 Marshfield is still doing live and interesting radio -
the man is a pro and dedicated to real radio.  The station features real
live DJ's, news, info, etc. and is a gem of this and probably any area.

Paul of Cape Cod


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Springer" <mark.springer@gmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:38 AM
Subject: WPLM AM & FM


> I'm new to the list...
> Grew up in Plymouth lsitening to WPLM ("We Play Lousy Music") which
> back in the 60's and 70's was owned by Jack Campbell and had a format
> best described as adult easy listening...lots of big bands, smooth
> stuff that drove us kids crazy.
> I remember morning guy Gary Collard, listened to him for years and
> finally one day when I was old enough and adventurous enough to make
> the journey from Manomet to "Marconi Hill" on Rte. 3 to visit the
> station I looked through the big studio window and was shcoked as heck
> that the man looked nothing like the voice, LOL.
> I eventually developed the usual "kid interested in radio"
> relationship with the station that allowed me almost free run of the
> place (the transmitter room seemed off limits cuz the Chief seemed so
> scary!
> WPLM FM ran a subcarrier- the Campbell Music Service- which had a lot
> of big clients including the Boston Edison Nuclear Group offices.
> I ran the "board" at Plymouth Town Meeting several times (what a
> classic that thing was, like 3 pots, binding posts for the phone line,
> and a separate transistor radio to monitor it on.
> I also worked one Christmas season running the "Edaville tapes"-
> Edaville Railroad was a CMS client and I guess they had a separate
> Subcarrier because I would stop one of the big decks and play a few
> Christmas songs to mix it up, the restart the deck.
> Oh yeah- one morning I woke up and turned onthe radio and WPLM was
> playing Smoke on the Water or something...I freaked out and called and
> the younger, hipper engineer told me they were doing some station
> upgrapdes and forgot the transmitter was on. That was hilarious.
> A few of us in Plymouth-Carver High School started a "Radio Club" and
> got some weekly airtime (72 or 73) for a show called "Getting to Know
> Us". About that time some kids down on the Cape had a similar deal on
> the fm station in Hyannis (I think).
> I would be happy to share more reminiscences about WPLM with anyone
> interested. I was also a big WMEX listener (I hated WRKO!) and every
> night when John H or Bud Ballou (depending on when sunset was) would
> say "Goodbye Cape Cod" as they phased, I would tune in WKBW which just
> poured in!
> de WL7BCT, Mark in Bethel, Alaska
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Nov 30 18:43:30 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Tue Nov 30 18:43:45 2004
Subject: WPLM AM & FM
References: <eb1f51ac0411290038599fbce8@mail.gmail.com>
	<013c01c4d735$0873ecb0$5c5ba445@DG07P241>
Message-ID: <000701c4d736$6a0d9f60$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Don't you mean Bill O'Connell (formerly of WHDH AM and TV)?

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To: Mark Springer <mark.springer@gmail.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: WPLM AM & FM


> The
> station floundered after Jack and became more contemporary but did hire -
> name escapes me but I can picture his face (someone will fill in the
gap) -
> a long time Boston radio-tv personality for midnights

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Nov 30 19:17:08 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Nov 30 19:15:23 2004
Subject: WLLH: The Answer
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130191532.028e8560@gwind.pair.com>

When in doubt, ask the corporate CE. Here's what Bill Sullivan had to say...

>The STL transmitter at Wood Hill in Andover, which feeds
>both sites, had a failure, went to about 1/4 watt.  That was enough for full
>quieting at the Lawrence site, but too noisy at the Lowell site.  Couldn't
>pull it to send to Marti for repair without a spare.  Marti was out of
>loaners, so we bought a new one.    We'll get the old one repaired and keep
>it as a backup.  The replacement transmitter should have arrived today, and
>will be in either tonight or tomorrow.  We turned Lowell off because of the
>noise, figuring that the signal from Lawrence would be better by itself.
>I'll let you know when the new STL is in.

So there you have it...

s

From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Nov 30 20:50:15 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue Nov 30 20:50:46 2004
Subject: Fw: The Answer
Message-ID: <005201c4d748$1c72cfc0$6f918318@Mark>

Scott Fybush wrote, quoting Mega CE Bill Sullivan:

>>The STL transmitter at Wood Hill in Andover, which feeds
>>both sites, had a failure, went to about 1/4 watt.  That was enough for 
>>full
>>quieting at the Lawrence site, but too noisy at the Lowell site. We turned 
>>Lowell off because of the
>>noise, figuring that the signal from Lawrence would be better by itself.

The WLLH Lowell transmitter is back on the air today, I heard it on my way 
home just after 4 PM. So it appears the new STL transmitter is up and 
running.

Mark Watson


From mark.springer@gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 22:34:44 2004
From: mark.springer@gmail.com (Mark Springer)
Date: Tue Nov 30 23:38:02 2004
Subject: WPLM AM & FM
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:33:44 -0500, Paul B. Currier
<paulcurrier@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hi Mark.....and so am I.....
> 
> I was a long time long ago listener to WPLM (We Play Lovely Music) also.
> During the Gary Collard times they were not a format station as far as I
> could determine.  Steven Horatio Coleman on Sunday Mornings was my favorite
> listen of the week on 'PLM.  I think these folks and their comtemporaries
> were playing what they wanted to play within guidelines as they were able to
> and did enjoy and converse quite intelligently about their music. 

Steve Coleman got his start in high school doing stats for Doug
Edwards' Blue Eagles football and basketball calls. Doug was one of my
High School science teachers. I spent more time drawing pictures of
boards in that class than I did learning science.
Is Steve now with the AP, does anyone know? 
When I was listening and hanging around - early 60's till I jgraduated
and oined the Coast Guard in 1974, the station couldn't have been more
"formatted," so to speak, music wise.
"With News Every Hour and on the Half Hour" and  "The Radio Voice of
America's Hometown" were a couple of the taglines.
Some of the programming included birth announcements from Jordan
Hospital -  the "Pink and Blue Report" which Gary Collard did during
his "Two Cups of Coffee" program every morning.
There was also the "Cape Cod Hour" which was fed via the company
two-way from Hyannis- the talent (a woman, I forget her name) while
the Plymouth studio played the tunes and spots.
The news was rip and read - I remember hearinig my only flash bells on
the UPI teletype (okay, how many bells was a FLASH? You know you
know!) for an Appolo launch, I think.
I would go up to the station after school  and would walk to catch the
P&B bus home (I missed it a couple of times much to the chagrin of my
poor mom who would have to come get me- a long way from North Plymouth
to Manomet) and I would tear up the news for the air guy and just bask
in the atmosphere of the studio (literally atmosphere- air conditioned
cigarette smoke LOL).
Jack was always this unnaproachable guy to me but Mike Rizzmini and
Moon were always cool. Mike did CMS stuff and Moon was the jack of al
ltrades around the place.
Jane Day was always nice, when she was around. She did a lot of ads,
as I recall as well as having her own programs, i think.
Some of you Mass types probaly remember Johm McCloughlin, Registrar of
Motor Vehicles. When I was a kid the myth was a Registry cop had the
power to just tear up a Statie's license and drive off and the MSP
trooper would be stuck. Anyway, supposedly (Maybe I saw it, maybe I
didn't :) ) the Registrar was a regular at Jack's Friday night poker
games. All I know is, there were a LOT of used Bicycle decks in the
music library!
The memories are coming back, so I guess I'll have some more soon.
Mark Springer
From mark.springer@gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 23:55:34 2004
From: mark.springer@gmail.com (Mark Springer)
Date: Tue Nov 30 23:55:42 2004
Subject: Looking for a couple of guys
Message-ID: <eb1f51ac0411302055404abc4c@mail.gmail.com>

My old High School chum (and PCHR Radio Club co-conspirator) Mark A.
Ward, WA1OPL used to be the Chief at WUNH. I know he still lives in
New Hampshire, anyone know him or if he is still in the game? He
picked up his First Phone at the Customs House when he was, I dunno...
a Sophmore or a Junior. He used to draw hartley oscillators in
fountain pen on the back of my army jacket while we sat in class.
I got my 3rd phone, with Broadcast Endorsement about the same time
Mark got his 1st Phone. He also picked up a Telegraph ticket, too
(different time but still in High School, as I recall). I don't know
why i never let him do my math homework!
The other guy I am looking for is Louis E. "Skippi" Comeau. Last I
heard from him he was a Chief for a couple of stations on the Cape and
in New Hampshire. He was working for Clear Channel, I think.

(lighbulb pops overhead) Hey, thats the point I have been thinking of
(vis a vis a teenage kid getting a 1st Phone on his first sitting) -
the broadcast industry was probably the ORIGINAL equal opportunity
employer. If you had the skills (or the heart, in the case of newsies
LOL) you got the job. You could BE 14 years old (and post-pubsecent
voiced) or holding a 1st Phone and be on top of the world, boy or
girl, black or white. I wonder how many youngsters hang around radio
stations these days? Observations on this point would really be
appreciated!
Thanks
MS