From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 1 00:46:19 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat May 1 00:46:30 2004 Subject: NECN picks up Nightline Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040501004526.02884c20@pop.registeredsite.com> I don't know if it did the folks in Springfield any good, but I thought it was interesting that NECN re-broadcast Ted Koppel's Nightline in its entirety. From nuhuc@juno.com Sat May 1 08:12:49 2004 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat May 1 08:14:31 2004 Subject: NECN picks up Nightline Message-ID: <20040501.081249.-404267.0.nuhuc@juno.com> On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:46:19 -0400 Donna Halper writes: > I don't know if it did the folks in Springfield any good, but I > thought it > was interesting that NECN re-broadcast Ted Koppel's Nightline in its > entirety. Didn't hear that it was in the plan. I caught a couple of minutes of the Nightline replacement show on Sinclair's WGGB-TV Channel 40 Springfield. The program was a news/talk show that was MEANT to have the look and feel of Nightline, but wasn't quite cutting the mustard (think Nightline, but on your local cable access channel.) Didn't look like it orignated locally, though. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From mlaurence@mindspring.com Sat May 1 11:48:00 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat May 1 11:48:03 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses Message-ID: <1437195.1083426480126.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Nobody has a sense of humor about "jokes" that simply ridicule their favorite leaders. There was nothing "genuinely funny" about that e-mail, it was just tired old cliches. It was just another good-old-boy conservative mocking the opposition to a bunch of his friends who see things the same way. Nothing wrong with that, except when it's wrapped up in official business on government time. Then the people he is offending have every right to not laugh uproariously at his oh-so-funny jokes. By the way, Corey Dietz (the subject of this thread) is correct, Air America has to be entertaining to succeed. Its own audience will have to decide whether it is indeed entertaining to them, and the marketplace will have to decide if that audience is big enough to turn a profit. Whether Corey, or you, or any other onlooker finds it entertaining is irrelevant. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Apr 30, 2004 8:18 PM To: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net, 'BRI' Subject: RE: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses Because Liberals have no sense of humor! (By and large) The Nat Gaurd Gen in MA that forwarded what was a genuinely funny e-mail, and the Dems take a nutty! Geesh! From scott@fybush.com Mon May 3 02:12:46 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon May 3 02:12:42 2004 Subject: NERW/b-r-i Dinner Thursday night Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040503020941.03d32468@gwind.pair.com> Yup...even with a baby in tow, I can still make it to a NERW dinner every couple of years :-) Come meet Ariel and talk radio this Thursday night at the Bertucci's at Alewife. It's easy to get to, even from out of town...right at the end of the Route 2 expressway in Cambridge. And of course you can get there on the Red Line as well. We'll meet about 6 PM and keep talking until they throw us out. I need a head count by Wednesday night, so please RSVP to scott at fybush dot com or call me on my cellphone (585-721-2596) and let me know you're coming. I'll be on the road most of the day Monday and in Boston from Monday night until Friday afternoon. Can't wait to see all of you! s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed May 5 20:33:22 2004 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed May 5 22:31:36 2004 Subject: WXPK - how does it sound? Message-ID: <20040506003322.32087.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Man this list has been dead silent for the past several days, everyone out there alive? Anyhow, was just wondering if anyone on the list has had a chance to listen to the new WXPK (107.1 The Peak) in Briarcliff Manor (Westchster) NY for any length of time yet. If so, how does it sound? From the website, it looks like more of a rock format than anything else. I'll be honest - I've never lived in an area with an AAA formatted radio station before, so I'm very green with the format and what it sounds like. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From kvahey@tmail.com Tue May 4 15:49:24 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed May 5 22:31:54 2004 Subject: RIP George Balcan, Montreal radio legend Message-ID: <1083700164.2365578F@s5.dngr.org> George Balcan, the longtime morning man at CJAD Montreal died Tuesday morning at the age of 72 http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html? id=b4ec20d9-2bc6-430d-82dc-6978b4f4113b From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue May 4 15:14:49 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed May 5 22:31:55 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International Message-ID: <000201c4320c$125abf70$59464742@Sean> The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer "innovative and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it will not lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/05/04/gore_tv_gore_launching_ca ble_network/ From lglavin@lycos.com Wed May 5 17:39:25 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed May 5 23:06:19 2004 Subject: Boston Herald Reports New Investors For WBIX Message-ID: Today's (05/05) Boston Herald reports that new investors are willing to pump additional funds into the operations of business radio station WBIX-AM 1060, Natick/Boston. Read all about it (while it lasts) at: http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=19108 ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From mlaurence@mindspring.com Wed May 5 23:33:25 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed May 5 23:33:44 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International In-Reply-To: <000201c4320c$125abf70$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <21BB4B9C-9F0E-11D8-B652-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer > "innovative > and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it > will not > lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. They're also saying the programming will continue to be produced by the CBC. I like that, but it's kind of surprising - and not exactly bold. Mark From kc1ih@mac.com Thu May 6 00:48:36 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu May 6 00:48:44 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International In-Reply-To: <21BB4B9C-9F0E-11D8-B652-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> References: <21BB4B9C-9F0E-11D8-B652-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 11:33 PM -0400 5/5/04, Mark Laurence wrote: >On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >>The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer "innovative >>and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it will not >>lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. > >They're also saying the programming will continue to be produced by >the CBC. I like that, but it's kind of surprising - and not exactly >bold. There's a youth oriented channel in Canada known as YTV, I don't know but suspect it's run by CBC. If that's the case, I suspect this will be basically a US rebroadcast of this service. You expected bold from Gore? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu May 6 05:46:19 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu May 6 05:46:26 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History Message-ID: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> had this link sent to me by a listener. http://www.aroundmaine.com/03/wlob/default.asp great story about the early days of Top 40 Wars and station evolutions in Portland between WLOB and WJAB, with some nice period photos of Bob Fuller, JJ Jeffrey, Jim Sands and others. *apologies if you get this a second time from my work address which is *not* a registered address for this group.* - -Chuck Igo From mlaurence@mindspring.com Thu May 6 07:30:05 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu May 6 07:30:26 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 12:48 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 11:33 PM -0400 5/5/04, Mark Laurence wrote: > >> On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >>> The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer >>> "innovative >>> and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it >>> will not >>> lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. >> >> They're also saying the programming will continue to be produced by >> the CBC. I like that, but it's kind of surprising - and not exactly >> bold. > > There's a youth oriented channel in Canada known as YTV, I don't know > but suspect it's run by CBC. If that's the case, I suspect this will > be basically a US rebroadcast of this service. YTV isn't run by the CBC, and they couldn't rebroadcast that service because most of its programming is already seen here on Nickelodeon, Discovery Kids and similar networks. I think Gore & Co. wants more of a news focus than YTV anyway. > You expected bold from Gore? "Innovative and bold" are their words, not mine. The more CBC programming they want to use, the happier I will be, but I don't think it will produce the channel they're describing. Mark From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 6 08:02:56 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 6 08:02:59 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham Message-ID: <200405061202.i46C2uWH027886@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Scott and I were able to visit the Viacom tower in Needham yesterday, and I was able to get the photo gallery ready for your enjoyment. Don't forget the dinner tonight! -GAWollman From hmadjid@yahoo.com Thu May 6 12:39:56 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Thu May 6 12:40:03 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses Message-ID: <20040506163956.8730.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Laurance wrote: >By the way, Corey Dietz (the subject of this thread) >is correct, Air America has to be entertaining to >succeed. Let me first say in my political views I am more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. That being said, what I hear so far on Air America, however (via Internet streaming), is pure and simple bad radio talent wise. What liberal talk radio needs is a left - wing Rush Limbaugh. As Rush has admitted many times over the years he is first and foremost a showman. Liberal talk radio in other words needs someone as entertaining as a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, for instance. As well as good talent, Air America needs some business savvy management. I mean no sooner than they launch their venture they go off the air in major markets such as Chicago and LA because of payment disputes. That's no way to run a purportedly serious media operation. Furthermore, IMO, Air America's business plan, which seems to be to lease time on various stations around the country is not a good one. Air America would do better to find a liberal - viewed, highly talented talk host, and offer her/him for syndication. Finding a media-savvy CEO to oversee the operation wouldn't hurt matters either. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu May 6 12:57:53 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu May 6 12:58:08 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses In-Reply-To: <20040506163956.8730.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> >Hakim wrote-- >That being said, what I hear so far on Air America, >however (via Internet streaming), is pure and simple >bad radio talent wise. > >What liberal talk radio needs is a left - wing Rush >Limbaugh. I agree, but I think all the media critics (from both the right and the left) need to be a bit more patient, and a lot more realistic. I've trained many many announcers, and while I heard some with raw talent right from day one, most of them needed a lot of work before they sounded really good. It's revisionist history to say that the day Fox went on the air, it was wonderful, or the first radio talk show Limbaugh did, he was amazing. These things take time to develop, and alas, time is something Air America doesn't have, since a lot of people are expecting it to fail. From billo@shoreham.net Thu May 6 13:13:45 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu May 6 13:13:49 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses In-Reply-To: <20040506163956.8730.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c4338d$7e81fd30$0300a8c0@boneill> Hakim writes: > That being said, what I hear so far on Air America, > however (via Internet streaming), is pure and simple > bad radio talent wise. I have checked out the network on WTWK Plattsburgh, NY (1070, 5kW D). Weak signal south of Vergennes. Franken is absolutely abysmal from the POV of execution of format, delivery, timing, etc. He works with a central casting talk partner. She acts as technical host with Franken treated as the revered talent. Doesn't work. Attempting to listen to other dayparts is painful. And I am not even considering the political agenda they are attempting to promulgate. Reminds me of an addage, sage advice from my radio youth by a radio veteran, "No radio is far, far better than bad radio." Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vt. From billo@shoreham.net Thu May 6 13:19:43 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu May 6 13:19:45 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <001901c4338e$534f6020$0300a8c0@boneill> Donna writes: These things take time to develop, and alas, time > is something > Air America doesn't have, since a lot of people are expecting > it to fail. I wonder if the expectation of failure is based upon the pretense of bad radio execution or a flawed concept from the very beginning? The biggest mistake Air America made was to label itself "liberal." If you bring on the people who may lean left, then that will be self-evident via the process of talking. The name, Air America, is woefully flawed - "America" for whatever reason, simply feels like a conservative branding. I don't know why, but that's what my gut tells me. >From a marketing standpoint, they would have been better off losing a network label and just push Franken and others that lean left. Or work in words that incorporate more moderate or liberal buzzwords. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Thu May 6 13:28:14 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu May 6 13:28:17 2004 Subject: O'Franken Factor Message-ID: <001c01c4338f$84033880$0300a8c0@boneill> To follow-up on the Air America discussion, just the title of Franken's show, "The O'Franken Factor" reeks of low-art college radio (versus college that can actually be good.) Clearly a move to go up against the Fox News charge that Franken usurped the "fair and balanced" wording on a book he was writing. Bill O'Neill From steveord@bit-net.com Thu May 6 14:37:09 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu May 6 14:37:11 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <20040506163956.8730.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <50472.216.204.15.170.1083868629.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Donna wrote... > I agree, but I think all the media critics (from both the right and the > left) need to be a bit more patient, and a lot more realistic. I've > trained many many announcers, and while I heard some with raw talent > right from day one, most of them needed a lot of work before they > sounded really good. It's revisionist history to say that the day Fox > went on the air, it was wonderful, or the first radio talk show > Limbaugh did, he was > amazing. These things take time to develop, and alas, time is something > Air America doesn't have, since a lot of people are expecting it to > fail. But Rush was already an experienced talk host before his show was syndicated. He'd developed his act doing local radio, and simply moved it to the "big time". Randi Rhodes is the only AA host with that experience. With all they pre-launch hype, AA needed to hit the ground running. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu May 6 16:05:16 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu May 6 16:05:32 2004 Subject: Globe, Herald articles on l'affaire Severin Message-ID: <20040506200516.67293.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> More reaction to Jay Severin's comments from last week: Globe, Scot Lehigh, yesterday: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1130148/posts Herald, Dean Johnson (yesterday): http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=34 Michelle Malkin on the matter, as seen in today's Herald: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040505.shtml From markwats@comcast.net Thu May 6 16:27:56 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu May 6 16:28:02 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham References: <200405061202.i46C2uWH027886@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003901c433a8$a1548650$64f88018@markscomputer> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Scott and I were able to visit the Viacom tower in Needham > yesterday, and I was able to get the photo gallery ready for your >enjoyment. Don't forget the dinner tonight! Thank you Garrett and Scott for sharing the Viacom site pics. Great shots. I'm looking forward to meeting you, Scott and family, and the other list members that will be in attendance this evening and talking radio!! Mark Watson From paul@03038.com Thu May 6 17:15:51 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu May 6 17:12:26 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International In-Reply-To: <000201c4320c$125abf70$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <009f01c433af$675da420$0e87fea9@q0002> Isn't NWI a Canadian Cable Network? Is the operation being moved to the States? -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Sean Smyth Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:15 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer "innovative and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it will not lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/05/04/gore_tv_gore_launching_ca ble_network/ From mlaurence@mindspring.com Thu May 6 17:48:03 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu May 6 17:48:17 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International Message-ID: <31570446.1083880083831.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Isn't NWI a Canadian Cable Network? Is the operation being > moved to the States? Newsworld International started its life in 1994 as a division of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, with a Canadian partner called Power Corp. It was sold in 2000 to Barry Diller and USA Networks. They sold to Vivendi Universal in 2001. Programming has continued to be supplied from the CBC in Toronto by a small staff of anchors and a collection of newscasts from international sources. The CBC has its own 24 hour news network in Canada called Newsworld, but it's a separate operation. A few Newsworld shows air on NWI but not many. CBC's flagship newscast "The National" airs several times a day as part of the international newscast lineup. Mark From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu May 6 21:04:17 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu May 6 21:04:23 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <004801c433cf$38ded130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Hakim Madjid" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses > It's revisionist history to say that the day Fox went on the air, it > was wonderful, or the first radio talk show Limbaugh did, he was > amazing. Limbaugh didn't do his first talk show on a national network. He refined his act in KC and Sacremento before taking it national. I think I am correct that only one of the Air America hosts had done a radio show regularly before bing hired for the network. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@tmail.com Thu May 6 21:58:02 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu May 6 21:58:36 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> References: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1083895094.108623C4@r31.dngr.org> I remember that Dale Dorman used to come on a half hour early on Monday morning because WRKO was off air and Snyder and Snyder would be simulcast on WRKO That is what is missing today, back in the 60's every NE market had 2 AMs slugging it out and being a farm system for announcers. Portland WJAB WLOB Manchester WFEA WKBR Worcester WORC WAAB Springfield WHYN WTXL Hartford WPOP WDRC Providence WPRO WICE And it was like this nationwide. Broadcasting isn't fun anymore On Thu, 6 May 2004 5:49am, chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > had this link sent to me by a listener. > > http://www.aroundmaine.com/03/wlob/default.asp > > great story about the early days of Top 40 Wars and station evolutions > in > Portland between WLOB and WJAB, with some nice period photos of Bob > Fuller, JJ Jeffrey, Jim Sands and others. > > *apologies if you get this a second time from my work address which is > *not* a registered address for this group.* > > - -Chuck Igo From scott@fybush.com Fri May 7 00:03:31 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri May 7 00:03:40 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham In-Reply-To: <003901c433a8$a1548650$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <200405061202.i46C2uWH027886@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <003901c433a8$a1548650$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <1151.24.60.167.228.1083902611.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> > Thank you Garrett and Scott for sharing the Viacom site pics. Great > shots. > I'm looking forward to meeting you, Scott and family, and the other list > members that will be in attendance this evening and talking radio!! It was great to meet you, Mark, and the 21 others who showed up for our dinner! Gotta do this more often :-) s From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri May 7 01:20:29 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri May 7 01:20:22 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham In-Reply-To: <1151.24.60.167.228.1083902611.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> References: <003901c433a8$a1548650$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <409AE45D.29844.6DC726@localhost> On 7 May 2004 at 0:03, Scott Fybush wrote: > It was great to meet you, Mark, and the 21 others who showed up for our > dinner! Gotta do this more often :-) Absolutely! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri May 7 01:20:29 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri May 7 01:20:24 2004 Subject: Opinion Piece On Air America Stirs Nasty Responses In-Reply-To: <001901c4338e$534f6020$0300a8c0@boneill> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040506125439.02eaebe0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <409AE45D.31807.6DC6CB@localhost> On 6 May 2004 at 13:19, Bill O'Neill wrote: > The name, Air America, is woefully flawed - "America" > for whatever reason, simply feels like a conservative branding. I don't > know why, but that's what my gut tells me. That's because various conservative groups have been appropriating patriotism for themselves. Things like the House Un-American Activities Committee, which was itself an un-American activity. And liberals have allowed them to do it, and in the Vietnam era actually put down patriotism. I think liberals can be just as aggressively patriotic as conservitives, and I think it's about time they were. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Fri May 7 08:21:00 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri May 7 08:20:57 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <1083895094.108623C4@r31.dngr.org> References: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> <1083895094.108623C4@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040507080616.01b03b90@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I remember that Dale Dorman used to come on a half hour early on Monday >morning because WRKO was off air and Snyder and Snyder would be simulcast >on WRKO Don't ever remember hearing this. I do recall Dale starting early on Mondays, but why would WRKO simulcast a Portland morning show? I know they had a farm show for a while, then for a long time it was wall-to-wall oldies for the 5am hour. >That is what is missing today, back in the 60's every NE market had 2 AMs >slugging it out and being a farm system for announcers. >Portland WJAB WLOB Wasn't WCSH also top 40? I know they were in the 70s. >Manchester WFEA WKBR >Worcester WORC WAAB In retrospect it's amazing this went on as long as it did. FM was not a really much of a factor in those days (and in most cases a simulcast)...so in both cases 2/3 of the stations in the market were the same format. You basically had a choice between MOR and top 40. If you didn't like either, tough luck. Granted, top 40 was huge back then (and certainly it was a good time to be a teen) but there are a lot more choices today. >And it was like this nationwide. > >Broadcasting isn't fun anymore Maybe we're just getting old. :-/ From kvahey@tmail.com Fri May 7 09:23:48 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri May 7 09:24:04 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040507080616.01b03b90@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040507080616.01b03b90@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <1083936232.182EE632@w37.dngr.org> It started when Snyder would call Dale at 5 AM every Monday and evolved from there. I remember Dale telling me that he told the suits if he had to come in an hour early he was going to do whatever he wanted for an hour. One thing we will never see again is the explosion of WRKO in the Spring of 67. Everybody knew they would hurt WMEX but it was stunning how quickly they toppled WBZ as well. 2 months into their launch they had the Casino Royale promotion at Midnight downtown expecting 200 people and 10000 showed up. The great whatif was Mac Richmond turning down the chance to buy WBOS-FM for peanuts in 1966. He reasoned his FM in DC was a dog (WPGC) so why bother. On Fri, 7 May 2004 8:25am, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I remember that Dale Dorman used to come on a half hour early on >> Monday morning because WRKO was off air and Snyder and Snyder would be >> simulcast on WRKO > > > Don't ever remember hearing this. I do recall Dale starting early on > Mondays, but why would WRKO simulcast a Portland morning show? I know > they had a farm show for a while, then for a long time it was > wall-to-wall oldies for the 5am hour. > From steveord@bit-net.com Fri May 7 13:40:20 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri May 7 13:40:25 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <1083936232.182EE632@w37.dngr.org> References: <5acce15aa89f.5aa89f5acce1@nyroc.rr.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040507080616.01b03b90@pop3.bit-net.com> <1083936232.182EE632@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <60539.216.204.15.170.1083951620.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > One thing we will never see again is the explosion of WRKO in the Spring > of 67. Everybody knew they would hurt WMEX but it was stunning how > quickly they toppled WBZ as well. 2 months into their launch they had > the Casino Royale promotion at Midnight downtown expecting 200 people > and 10000 showed up. Yeah. Within 6 months there were major changes at 'BZ and they were out of the format in less than a year. In retrospect, not as surprising...WMEX, despite a lousy signal had an image that was a lot hipper than WBZ, which was more of a full service MOR station that happened to play rock & roll. Was anyone on their airstaff under 35 or so? Even Bruce Bradley who was the closest they had to a rock & roll dj sounded like a middle-aged guy trying to be hip. Don't get me wrong...WBZ was my favorite station in the mid 60s, and still brings back fond memories, but they were an odd hybrid of MOR image & rock music. Somehow, WMEX managed to hold on until the mid 70s. From cigo@portlandradiogroup.com Wed May 5 06:13:40 2004 From: cigo@portlandradiogroup.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri May 7 14:03:42 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History Message-ID: had this link sent to me by a listener. http://www.aroundmaine.com/03/wlob/default.asp great story about the early days of Top 40 Wars and station evolutions in Portland between WLOB and WJAB, with some nice period photos of Bob Fuller, JJ Jeffrey, Jim Sands and others. Chuck Igo Oldies 100.9 Morning Host Email: Chuck@Oldies1009.com Phone: 207-774-4561 ext. 3048 This e-mail message, along with any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary and confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure. All personal messages express views solely of the sender, which are not to be attributed to Portland Radio Group, and may not be copied or distributed without this disclaimer. _EMLFTR From weather@weathersource.net Fri May 7 01:39:29 2004 From: weather@weathersource.net (Matt Higgs) Date: Fri May 7 14:03:44 2004 Subject: Gore leads group buying Newsworld International Message-ID: CBC News programming does not reach the younger demographics at all. They try their hardest to reach a younger audience but never really seem to succeed. The 6 pm newscast here in New Brunswick, "Canada Now", is mostly viwed by people over the age of 50, and a small number of them at that. This goes for the rest of CBC's news coverage as well. Their national newscast is failing in the ratings department overall. Global and CTV do a much better job at reaching younger audiences. Cut backs at CBC have only been hurting them. Global, which only started their national newscast "Global National" three years ago has already jumped to second place and is gaining on CTV. I would love to see them produce news programming for this channel to be. Matt Higgs Green Mtn, New Brunswick > > On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 12:48 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > > > At 11:33 PM -0400 5/5/04, Mark Laurence wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> > >>> The new ownership group says the network will eventually offer > >>> "innovative > >>> and bold" news programming appealing to younger viewers and that it > >>> will not > >>> lean predominantly Democratic or liberal. > >> > >> They're also saying the programming will continue to be produced by > >> the CBC. I like that, but it's kind of surprising - and not exactly > >> bold. > > > > There's a youth oriented channel in Canada known as YTV, I don't know > > but suspect it's run by CBC. If that's the case, I suspect this will > > be basically a US rebroadcast of this service. > > YTV isn't run by the CBC, and they couldn't rebroadcast that service > because most of its programming is already seen here on Nickelodeon, > Discovery Kids and similar networks. I think Gore & Co. wants more of > a news focus than YTV anyway. > > > You expected bold from Gore? > > "Innovative and bold" are their words, not mine. The more CBC > programming they want to use, the happier I will be, but I don't think > it will produce the channel they're describing. > > Mark > > > -- From info@epiphora.net Tue May 4 22:21:04 2004 From: info@epiphora.net (Epiphora) Date: Fri May 7 14:04:07 2004 Subject: Need info on contacts at Boston radio stations Message-ID: <20040505022104.76150.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> I am a local musician named Epiphora, looking to get exposure for my music. While it would be great to get my music "on the air" I have found that my material (currently instrumental) has been useful as music beds for radio ads, voice-overs, and DJ intro/outros. I'm looking to launch this two-pronged attack, but I would like to intelligently target the right personnel at the radio stations in Boston so that my music doesn't end up in the trash bin immediately. Can anyone tell me who is the appropriate person (i.e. title) at any given station to forward my CD to, like Production Director or Music Director? Also, is there a readily available public source for this information? I appreciate any help on this topic. Thanks, Dan info@epiphora.net www.epiphora.net From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri May 7 16:11:34 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri May 7 16:10:17 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History Message-ID: <200405071611.AA3472031856@mail.ttlc.net> chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: >had this link sent to me by a listener. >http://www.aroundmaine.com/03/wlob/default.asp >great story about the early days of Top 40 Wars and station evolutions in Portland between WLOB and WJAB, with some nice period >photos of Bob Fuller, JJ Jeffrey, Jim Sands and others. Some additions to the article: Surfer Joe originally called himself "Killer Joe" after "Killer" Joe Piro and used the Rocky Fellers' song as his theme. Seems not a lot of people made the connection (I certainly didn't) and he changed to Surfer Joe - somewhere around mid-late '65 IIRC. The old WLOB had a SPCE club - "Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Ears" - Logo was the silhouette of a symphony conductor. I have one somewhere in my archives (read pile of junk) WLOB apparently stood for LOBster as in "The Lobster Network" - no other info available. Around the time of their '65 "Awakening" they were purchased by Atlantic States Industries (ASI). Anybody know who they were? One of their early DJ's was "Dr. Go" a.k.a. Peter Gowan - Chief (?) Engineer. Anybody know where he ended up? In '67, he was CE for WRYT in Boston. In '65, a pipeline was run through their property at 779 Warren Avenue Westbrook and the towers had to be "moved." Apparently ASI spent a goodly portion of the tower re-location (and re-tuning) money on studio equipment and then fell short of $$ when the re-tuning bill came in. Times were tough. At one point in their "small budget" days, they asked their then CE Eugene Terwilliger (sp) to be the overnight DJ - spinning discs while he worked on the equipment. Billed as "The World's Worst DJ" he quickly became quite good. Then there was their "Seeburg" automation system. A Seeburg JukeBox head was lashed up to play the "A-Side" of all the records in sequence. When the record ended and tripped the mechanism to change discs, it also fired off a cart machine to play one of a set of bumpers - all timed to fit in the slightly indeterminate time between the end of one record and the beginning of the next. I think the weirdest thing was letting the evening jock record two of his early hours with relative time checks ("It's 5 past the hour") and then replaying them while he slept from Midnight til 2:00 am next to the transmitter. Ah, Local Radio at its Finest! From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri May 7 16:41:50 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri May 7 16:41:30 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <60539.216.204.15.170.1083951620.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: <1083936232.182EE632@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <409BBC4E.5860.EBE899@localhost> On 7 May 2004 at 13:40, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Somehow, WMEX managed to hold on until the mid 70s. As I recall, they changed their emphasis to sound a bit more hippie-oriented than Top 40. I seem to remember a slogan "the human thing" or something from that period, longer album cuts, etc., at some point. Or maybe that just lasted one ratings book. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri May 7 17:25:15 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri May 7 17:23:53 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham Message-ID: <200405071725.AA4119068856@mail.ttlc.net> "Scott Fybush" wrote: >It was great to meet you, Mark, and the 21 others who showed >up for our dinner! Gotta do this more often :-) Roll Call? Pictures? From lglavin@lycos.com Fri May 7 17:56:38 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri May 7 17:57:00 2004 Subject: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change Message-ID: Recent FCC Daily Digest Applications and Actions have recorded objections and counter objections to the "minor" change WNSH-AM 1570 proposes: going from 500 watts to FIFTY-THOUSAND watts! Early in the year, the FCC got Parental guidance on the proposal, i.e. a person named Herve Parent objected. Now the latest objector is Robert G. Nunes, the Mayah of Tornton,Mass, home of WPEP-AM 1570, that would disappear like George W. Bush's credibility were the proposed CP be built. (It's WPEP that would disappear, not Tornton) Don't count on picking up WNSH-AM in Halifax, NS yet. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From steveord@bit-net.com Fri May 7 20:38:26 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri May 7 20:38:25 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <409BBC4E.5860.EBE899@localhost> References: <1083936232.182EE632@w37.dngr.org> <409BBC4E.5860.EBE899@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040507203226.01b849a8@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >As I recall, they changed their emphasis to sound a bit more >hippie-oriented than Top 40. I >seem to remember a slogan "the human thing" or something from that >period, longer album >cuts, etc., at some point. >Or maybe that just lasted one ratings book. Lasted a little longer than that, but not much. IIRC they used that slogan in mid-late 1969 when Dick Summer was PD. By the spring of 1970 they were back to straight-ahead top 40, so it must have bombed. They tried it again a couple years later (1971) with John Garabedian as PD. This time around it did somewhat better...I believe they came close to WRKO ratings-wise one book. Fate, however intervened. Mac Richmond died and his replacement canned Garabedian and dumped all/most of his innovations. Interestingly, WRKO carried on the torch for a year or so with a somewhat album-oriented approach to top 40. Roger Kirk no doubt can elaborate on that. From paul@03038.com Fri May 7 20:37:51 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri May 7 20:59:12 2004 Subject: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c43498$379e2180$0e87fea9@q0002> I've never heard anyone call Taunton "Thorton" (and I worked in Taunton, at the head end of the Portuguese Triangle, back in'78. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:57 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change Recent FCC Daily Digest Applications and Actions have recorded objections and counter objections to the "minor" change WNSH-AM 1570 proposes: going from 500 watts to FIFTY-THOUSAND watts! Early in the year, the FCC got Parental guidance on the proposal, i.e. a person named Herve Parent objected. Now the latest objector is Robert G. Nunes, the Mayah of Tornton,Mass, home of WPEP-AM 1570, that would disappear like George W. Bush's credibility were the proposed CP be built. (It's WPEP that would disappear, not Tornton) Don't count on picking up WNSH-AM in Halifax, NS yet. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri May 7 21:07:09 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri May 7 21:07:26 2004 Subject: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change In-Reply-To: <002901c43498$379e2180$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <000f01c43498$d2b04fe0$6400a8c0@AMD> Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but there's never an "r" in there. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:38 PM To: lglavin@lycos.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change I've never heard anyone call Taunton "Thorton" (and I worked in Taunton, at the head end of the Portuguese Triangle, back in'78. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:57 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change Recent FCC Daily Digest Applications and Actions have recorded objections and counter objections to the "minor" change WNSH-AM 1570 proposes: going from 500 watts to FIFTY-THOUSAND watts! Early in the year, the FCC got Parental guidance on the proposal, i.e. a person named Herve Parent objected. Now the latest objector is Robert G. Nunes, the Mayah of Tornton,Mass, home of WPEP-AM 1570, that would disappear like George W. Bush's credibility were the proposed CP be built. (It's WPEP that would disappear, not Tornton) Don't count on picking up WNSH-AM in Halifax, NS yet. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default .asp ?SRC=lycos10 From wftn@comcast.net Fri May 7 21:28:09 2004 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Fri May 7 21:28:18 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham Message-ID: <050820040128.9843.409C37A8000DD99A000026732200761438FF918B99@comcast.net> Thanks to all for the enjoyable time at the dinner Thursday night. Getting out of work at 5:00 in Concord, NH made it for a tough commute to get there on time. Next time I'll try to get out earlier to enjoy it even more. I learned alot of things and got to meet some fantastic people as well as see some familiar faces. Gary Ford WFTN-FM > "Scott Fybush" wrote: > >It was great to meet you, Mark, and the 21 others who showed > >up for our dinner! Gotta do this more often :-) > > Roll Call? Pictures? From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri May 7 21:39:29 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri May 7 21:39:31 2004 Subject: Another new photo gallery Message-ID: <200405080139.i481dTxP012768@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Chronicling our travels last Thursday before the great friends-of-the-site dinner: . -GAWollman From news@southstation.org Fri May 7 22:32:17 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri May 7 23:43:34 2004 Subject: Another new photo gallery In-Reply-To: <200405080139.i481dTxP012768@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20040508023220.RCXZ18803.lakermmtao11.cox.net@main> Garrett, I got direct to the pictures (very nice by the way!) by this URL: http://www.bostonradio.org/digicam/2004-05/rko-pru/index.html Does John Kennedy want to unload those cart machines to anyone else? -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:39 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Another new photo gallery Chronicling our travels last Thursday before the great friends-of-the-site dinner: . -GAWollman From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat May 8 01:21:14 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat May 8 01:21:46 2004 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change Message-ID: <409C360A.19262.5DCC12@localhost> On 7 May 2004 at 21:07, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but > there's never an "r" in there. I thought the name reminded me of those creatures on the cold planet in "The Empire Strikes Back" -- Ton-Tons. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston,MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat May 8 01:21:14 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat May 8 01:22:00 2004 Subject: Interesting listening Message-ID: <409C360A.1910.5DCE67@localhost> As I was driving up I-91 today around Sunset, I was looking for a strong signal to listen to on the AM dial and found WHAM in Rochester, News Radio 1180. It was as strong as a local station, as I drove north through Northampton. This reminded me of one time when I was in high school, in the early 60s,and I happened to pick up WHAM one night. At the time, they had a simulcast FM called WHFM. When I heard the ID, I thought I'd found a station that somehow had two-letter base calls. I thought they were WH-AM and WH-FM. Eventually, I looked them up in White's Radio Log and found out what they were. Later, on the FM band, I found WRSI, Turners Falls. They seem to be playing an interesting mix of music, including some 60s oldies that I haven't heard in years: "He's a well-respected man about town" and a Dylan song whose name I can't remember right now (at 12:47 AM) , but it had some line about Lady Jane. The station IDed as WRSI Turners Falls, WRSY, Marlboro. I assume that's Marlboro, VT, not Massachustts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston,MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat May 8 05:59:32 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat May 8 05:59:42 2004 Subject: Interesting listening In-Reply-To: <409C360A.1910.5DCE67@localhost> Message-ID: <20040508095932.46228.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> The station IDed > as WRSI Turners > Falls, WRSY, Marlboro. I assume that's Marlboro, > VT, not > Massachustts. Yes they're actually based in Northhampton/Amherst area (I thought they had a translator down there too). Marlboro VT is kinda halfway between Bennington and Brattleboro...if you've ever driven on VT Route 9, there's a point where you reach a high point (good radio reception) and you can pull over and see the view. That's in Marlboro I think. Have heard/taped them before. Sometimes gone on a daytrip on a Sunday and I'd maybe stop in Turner's Falls, go for a walk, and tape some folk or jazz on WRSI. http://www.wrsi.com From mjw@wnbp.com Sat May 8 09:34:32 2004 From: mjw@wnbp.com (Matt Stevens) Date: Sat May 8 09:34:44 2004 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change References: <409C360A.19262.5DCC12@localhost> Message-ID: <006701c43501$35319da0$3a02a8c0@mattpdm66xw644> > On 7 May 2004 at 21:07, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but > > there's never an "r" in there. Most of the old-timer locals, my father was born there, pronounced it TAHN-IN The proper way to pronounce the city is TON-TIN. That reminds me, I remember the old WRLM 93.3....a quirky little local station in it's day until they saw dollar signs in there eyes and sold it off. Now its just another Clear Channel move in to the Providence market as WSNE. I remember an ID around 1975 that was somehting like this.... "Now with 50,000 watts in Stereo....from the McCarthy Professional Building this is Ninety Three Three WRLM Taunton." Just showing my advanced age Matt Stevens WNBP Newburyport From paul@03038.com Sat May 8 10:38:39 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat May 8 10:34:54 2004 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change In-Reply-To: <006701c43501$35319da0$3a02a8c0@mattpdm66xw644> Message-ID: <000c01c4350a$30ddbdc0$0e87fea9@q0002> Right there on Rte 44 Westbound! Ah yes, I was delivering furniture in the spring of '78 to some narrow triple deckers (a ding here, a ding there)(a beer here, a beer there) and actually was a big listenter to JB105 in those days (more than PRO92). Heck, I can't recall WRLM's format in '78... -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Matt Stevens Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:35 AM To: A. Joseph Ross; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change > On 7 May 2004 at 21:07, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but > > there's never an "r" in there. Most of the old-timer locals, my father was born there, pronounced it TAHN-IN The proper way to pronounce the city is TON-TIN. That reminds me, I remember the old WRLM 93.3....a quirky little local station in it's day until they saw dollar signs in there eyes and sold it off. Now its just another Clear Channel move in to the Providence market as WSNE. I remember an ID around 1975 that was somehting like this.... "Now with 50,000 watts in Stereo....from the McCarthy Professional Building this is Ninety Three Three WRLM Taunton." Just showing my advanced age Matt Stevens WNBP Newburyport From lglavin@lycos.com Sat May 8 13:01:54 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat May 8 13:02:14 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change Message-ID: -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- >DATE: Sat, 8 May 2004 09:34:32 >From: "Matt Stevens" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" ,radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> > On 7 May 2004 at 21:07, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but > > there's never an "r" in there. >Most of the old-timer locals, my father was born >there, pronounced it >TAHN-IN The mother of a singer I once knew lived in Taunton and invited us to her house there. She said something between ton-tin and tawn-tin. Anyway, now that the mayor is on-record as opposed to the silencing of WPEP, impediments may be placed in the way of WNSH's plans. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat May 8 13:10:43 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat May 8 13:11:07 2004 Subject: Another new photo gallery Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:39:29 >From: Garrett Wollman >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Chronicling our travels last Thursday before the great friends-of-the-site >dinner: . > >-GAWollman > Doahchestah Hahbah? Where did you get this idea of variant spelling of New England place names? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat May 8 13:34:18 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat May 8 13:34:31 2004 Subject: Louis Rukeyser's Condition More Serious Than Earlier Thought Message-ID: I mentioned earlier that Louis Rukeyser has been a no-show on "Louis Rukeyser's Wall Street" for several months. This would be of some interest here, because when the PBS Network honchos declared him passe (supply your own accent over the 'e'), he decamped to CNBC, whereupon several PBS outlets including Boston's WGBX-TV and New Hampshire PTV picked up the show minus the commercials (mustn't allow advertising on public television, only acknowledgements). Last fall, when Lou said he'd be absent for a while, he referred to a back ailment... not pleasant, but usually not life-threatening, like what David Brudnoy experienced. Now some eight months later, during the introduction to last night's (05/07, sometimes referred to as music day because Brahms and Tchaikovsky were born on that date, in 1833 and 1840 respectively) "LRWS" on CNBC, guest host Bill Griffith (not the Globe sports/media writer but a CNBC frontman) gave more details about Lou's condition. When Lou went to the Mayo Clinic for surgery, it was discovered that it was not just a garden-variety back problem, but a malignancy that was causing the problem. He has been under treatment for that condition since the fall, and doctors say that although the malignancy seems to be in remission, Lou will need a few more months to recuperate. I wonder how long WLIW-TV, Long Island, NY will be able to maintain its current network of PBS outlets that might want to do other things with this time if they can't be assured of the host's return? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat May 8 14:56:38 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat May 8 14:45:22 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham In-Reply-To: <200405081002.i48A2kt5006935@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: Would've liked to have come to the dinner Thursday, especially considering it was just a few miles from me, but I was run down from fighting a cold or flu or something, and had to rest up so that I could work later at night. I'm feeling a lot better now, but consider yourselves fortunate I didn't come, and spared infecting any of you. Hopefully I can make it to the next event! Eli Polonsky From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat May 8 15:01:13 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat May 8 14:50:09 2004 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change In-Reply-To: <000c01c4350a$30ddbdc0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: On 5/8/04 10:38 AM, "Paul Hopfgarten" wrote: > Heck, I can't recall WRLM's format in '78... I think it was a locally-oriented full service Pop/AC, if I remember correctly. Eli Polonsky From paul@03038.com Sat May 8 18:14:55 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat May 8 18:15:03 2004 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005701c4354a$80f1d180$0e87fea9@q0002> Don't WPEP and WSNH now share ownership IIRC, which would explain the lack of a complaint from WPEP itself. (Maybe the plan is to 'shutdown' WPEP, or turn in that license as part of the deal ??? -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:02 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Fwd: Re: (Fwd) RE: Objection to WNSH "Minor" Change -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- >DATE: Sat, 8 May 2004 09:34:32 >From: "Matt Stevens" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" ,radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> > On 7 May 2004 at 21:07, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > > Me either, it's usually "Taun-en" or something like that, but > > there's never an "r" in there. >Most of the old-timer locals, my father was born >there, pronounced it >TAHN-IN The mother of a singer I once knew lived in Taunton and invited us to her house there. She said something between ton-tin and tawn-tin. Anyway, now that the mayor is on-record as opposed to the silencing of WPEP, impediments may be placed in the way of WNSH's plans. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From scott@fybush.com Sat May 8 19:41:45 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat May 8 19:41:51 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham In-Reply-To: <200405071725.AA4119068856@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200405071725.AA4119068856@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <3351.66.61.146.41.1084059705.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> > "Scott Fybush" wrote: >>It was great to meet you, Mark, and the 21 others who showed >>up for our dinner! Gotta do this more often :-) > > Roll Call? Pictures? Let me try on the roll call...apologies in advance, as I'm doing this from memory and will probably leave at least one name out. In no particular order: Scott Fybush Ariel Fybush Lisa Fybush Garrett Wollman Art Pepin (Greater Media) Marcia Della-Giustina (Emerson) Sara Lavoie (WERS) Donna Halper (Emerson, etc. etc.) Bob Bittner (WJIB) Peter George (WBIM, WSHL, WNRC, etc.) Bob Sutherland Brian Vita and his wife, whose name has slipped my memory Maureen Carney (FSNE) Gary Ford (WFTN) Norm Gagnon (ggninfo.com) Dan Strassberg (EDN) A. Joseph Ross, Esq. Laurence Glavin (from Methuen, *not* from WCRB) Aaron Read (Broadcast Signal Lab, WBRS, WZBC, WZLY, etc) Mark Watson (ex-WCAP) Apologies to anyone I've inadvertently omitted! s From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun May 9 00:10:49 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun May 9 00:10:16 2004 Subject: Interesting listening In-Reply-To: <409C360A.1910.5DCE67@localhost> Message-ID: <409D7709.14005.3CFD16@localhost> On 8 May 2004 at 1:21, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Later, on the FM band, I found WRSI, Turners Falls. They seem to be > playing an interesting mix of music, including some 60s oldies that I > haven't heard in years: "He's a well-respected man about town" and a > Dylan song whose name I can't remember right now (at 12:47 AM) , but it > had some line about Lady Jane. It was indeed 12:47 AM, and I got the song wrong. It was 'He's a Dedicated Follower of Fashion." I realized it this morning when the song started going through my head as I was getting up. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@lycos.com Sun May 9 13:11:36 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun May 9 13:12:02 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:56:38 >From: Eli Polonsky >To: >Would've liked to have come to the dinner Thursday, especially >considering it was just a few miles from me, but I was run down >from fighting a cold or flu or something, and had to rest up so >that I could work later at night. > >I'm feeling a lot better now, but consider yourselves fortunate >I didn't come, and spared infecting any of you. Hopefully I can >make it to the next event! > >Eli Polonsky > Oh, too bad. One of the first questions I asked was "Is there anyone here from WBUR?" I wanted to know if any progress was being made on the WBUR-FM CP (which now includes a power INCREASE). Also I would have registered a complaint about this month's R-E-A-L-L-Y annoying Mother's Day fundraiser. Since nobody from WBUR was there, in honor of Jane, I had a couple of Sam Adams's. (Last summer I went to a WBUR open house, and Jane Christo had an SB in her hand throughout the evening and I'm sure it wasn't the same one!) ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun May 9 13:59:11 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun May 9 13:59:23 2004 Subject: Correction re: Another new photo gallery In-Reply-To: <200405080139.i481dTxP012768@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200405080139.i481dTxP012768@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200405091759.i49HxBWn024950@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Chronicling our travels last Thursday before the great friends-of-the-site > dinner: . Thisd should, of course, have read: . Damn fingers! -GAWollman From lglavin@lycos.com Sun May 9 15:39:00 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun May 9 15:39:14 2004 Subject: Come Back Little Susan Message-ID: For months, nay perhaps even years, the TV Listings booklet inserted with the Boston Sunday Globe has included a section on the last page with radio station and program listings, ostensibly edited by erstwhile radio scribe Susan Bicklehaupt. This page has for a long time been the source of more misinformation than Baghdad Bob. Call letters, formats and programs have been out-of-date for as long as I can remember. Most recently, WCCM-AM, now at 1490, was listed as continuing to transmit at 800 khz; WBOQ-FM 104.9 continued to be described as "classical though two format changes; I couldn't swear to this (can an agnostic take an oath anyway?)but I believe a gay-and-lesbian-themed program called "One in Ten(!)" hasn't been on WFNX-FM 101.7 for eons. Well, alas, this risible romp of fauly factoids is (sob) gone. For two weeks now, the TV Week has been entirely given over to TV...what a concept! Has Susan retired; has the Globe declared radio passe (provide your own accent over the'e'); or, could they be revamping the radio page for restoration at a later date with all accurate dats?: Nah. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From markwats@comcast.net Sun May 9 16:23:41 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun May 9 16:23:23 2004 Subject: "Kiss Concert" Ad Heard On B-101 Message-ID: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> Last night, while scanning the radio dial in my travels, I happened upon B-101 (WWBB Providence), and listened to some of the "Saturday Night All Request Oldies Party" with Cruisin' Bruce Palmer. During a stopset, one of the ads was for Kiss 108's (WXKS-FM Medford/Boston) annual "Kiss Concert" which is taking place on May 22 at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield. Tickets are still available according to the ad, which is most unusual, as the "Kiss Concert" has always sold out the day tickets go on sale. Hearing the ad on B-101 struck me as strange, due to the fact that this spot for a concert sponsored by a CHR station was running on an oldies station that's outside of the Boston market, although Kiss 108's signal can be heard in a fair portion of the Providence market, and I do believe they show in the Providence book. The common tie between B-101 and Kiss 108 is that they are both owned by Clear Channel, and I guess they're desperate to sell out the show, maybe that's why they're running spots on a co-owned station outside the Boston market. I wonder if they're running the spots on their other Boston stations? ( WJMN Jam'n 94.5 or WXKS-AM 1430) To change gears slightly, a couple of observations regarding the Cruisin' Bruce Palmer show: I heard a couple of callers from Marlborough MA and Norwood call in for requests. Also noted a fair amount of "unsafe" oldies, such as "Saturday Night" by the New Christy Minstrels, "Dominique" by the Singing Nun, "For The Love Of Him" by Bobbi Martin, and "Atlantis" by Donovan. Mark Watson From kvahey@tmail.com Sun May 9 16:45:33 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun May 9 16:45:57 2004 Subject: "Kiss Concert" Ad Heard On B-101 In-Reply-To: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <1084135536.7BFDB1C@r5.dngr.org> Don't forget who owns the Tweeter Center Clear Channel On Sun, 9 May 2004 4:28pm, Mark Watson wrote: > Last night, while scanning the radio dial in my travels, I happened > upon > B-101 (WWBB Providence), and listened to some of the "Saturday Night > All > Request Oldies Party" with Cruisin' Bruce Palmer. During a stopset, one > of > the ads was for Kiss 108's (WXKS-FM Medford/Boston) annual "Kiss > Concert" > which is taking place on May 22 at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield. > Tickets From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun May 9 17:16:14 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun May 9 17:16:16 2004 Subject: Come Back Little Susan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040509211614.85423.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: This page has for a > long time been the source of more misinformation > than > Baghdad Bob. Anyone thought of doing a website with bascially the same type of service? Listing of stations and formats (accurate, one would hope) with clickable links to the stations and various programs on them. Certainly we know of 100000watts, Radio-Locator, Fybush.com, Boston Radio Watch, and others, but those are often radio-fan-geared; perhaps someone (maybe even me) can put up a general site people can surf to, to see what's of interest this week (or month, etc.) on the dial in the Boston area. I'm talking about the more casual radio listener, not the huge fans (and industry personnel) here. Though then again, people can still check out station sites on their own...even if the Globe's TV Week radio listings are gone, they can surf to the sites of WGBH-FM, the talk stations, etc.! From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun May 9 17:36:06 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun May 9 17:37:21 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: <001701c4360d$c05e5960$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Did anyone else see the full-page opinion piece by Ira Glass, host of NPR's "This American Life" in today's (5/9/2004) Sunday New York Times Magazine? Glass feels that the FCC's new rules on obscenity are a serious threat to free speech and points out that, in his opinion, Howard Stern has properly sized up the problem. Glass ends the piece by pointing out that, in an interview he conducted after the new rules had gone into effect on the subject of the rules with a strong advocate of the rules, the advocate used a phrase that is banned by the very rules the advocate favors. Use of the phrase could have caused the FCC to levy half-million-dollar fines against NPR and its affiliates. There can be no doubt that the rules are--and have to be--arbitrary. OTOH, back in the days before cable TV and satellite radio, the broadcasting industry imposed similar rules on itself, and I must say that I can't think of any instances in which I believe freedom of speech suffered as a consequence. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun May 9 17:44:57 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun May 9 17:45:16 2004 Subject: Come Back Little Susan In-Reply-To: <20040509211614.85423.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040509174331.02f32b70@pop.registeredsite.com> I thought Susan had long since gone over to the sports dept, where she covers women's sports-- and I might add, does a fine job. Part of the problem is the Globe lacks a full-time broadcasting writer with expertise in radio... Clea Simon is a free-lancer and works from home-- she is assigned articles only sporadically. And you can't cover today's media on a hit or miss basis. From news@southstation.org Sun May 9 18:00:48 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Sun May 9 18:01:02 2004 Subject: "Kiss Concert" Ad Heard On B-101 In-Reply-To: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <20040509220053.HJDY18641.lakermmtao05.cox.net@main> What's an "unsafe" oldie? One that hasn't tested for 100% repeat recognition? -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: "Kiss Concert" Ad Heard On B-101 Last night, while scanning the radio dial in my travels, I happened upon B-101 (WWBB Providence), and listened to some of the "Saturday Night All Request Oldies Party" with Cruisin' Bruce Palmer. During a stopset, one of the ads was for Kiss 108's (WXKS-FM Medford/Boston) annual "Kiss Concert" which is taking place on May 22 at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield. Tickets are still available according to the ad, which is most unusual, as the "Kiss Concert" has always sold out the day tickets go on sale. Hearing the ad on B-101 struck me as strange, due to the fact that this spot for a concert sponsored by a CHR station was running on an oldies station that's outside of the Boston market, although Kiss 108's signal can be heard in a fair portion of the Providence market, and I do believe they show in the Providence book. The common tie between B-101 and Kiss 108 is that they are both owned by Clear Channel, and I guess they're desperate to sell out the show, maybe that's why they're running spots on a co-owned station outside the Boston market. I wonder if they're running the spots on their other Boston stations? ( WJMN Jam'n 94.5 or WXKS-AM 1430) To change gears slightly, a couple of observations regarding the Cruisin' Bruce Palmer show: I heard a couple of callers from Marlborough MA and Norwood call in for requests. Also noted a fair amount of "unsafe" oldies, such as "Saturday Night" by the New Christy Minstrels, "Dominique" by the Singing Nun, "For The Love Of Him" by Bobbi Martin, and "Atlantis" by Donovan. Mark Watson From kvahey@tmail.com Sun May 9 18:28:20 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun May 9 18:28:30 2004 Subject: "Kiss Concert" Ad Heard On B-101 In-Reply-To: <20040509220053.HJDY18641.lakermmtao05.cox.net@main> References: <20040509220053.HJDY18641.lakermmtao05.cox.net@main> Message-ID: <1084141703.E12C0F5@s29.dngr.org> I remember the infamous Mac Richmond talking about the Singing Nun. "Parents called all the time complaining about our music. We make the Nun #1 that shuts them up. Same with the singing Army guy, if we have the same #1 song as WHDH, the parents can't bitch." On Sun, 9 May 2004 6:02pm, Larry Lovering wrote: > What's an "unsafe" oldie? One that hasn't tested for 100% repeat > recognition? > > -Larry Lovering > > > From sid@wrko.com Sun May 9 18:48:53 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun May 9 18:49:56 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: >>There can be no doubt that the rules are--and have to be--arbitrary.<< And that, if I understand the law correctly, will be its downfall. Our "house" lawyer on this list can probably speak to this better than I can, but the courts don't generally like "arbitrary." Since the CEO of Viacom has already promised a legal showdown for all the fines he refuses to pay, the FCC could well be reduced to the role of a spectrum cop, with NO enforcement power over programming of any type, if they lose this or a similar case. In any case, by reversing themselves in the Bono case and by not fining stations that carried the Oprah Winfrey show's decidedly non-clinical discussion of sexual techniques, they've already broken their own rules and have set the stage for their regulatory emasculation. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun May 9 19:44:42 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun May 9 19:33:25 2004 Subject: New photo gallery: Viacom tower, Needham In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/9/04 1:11 PM, "Laurence Glavin" wrote: >> DATE: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:56:38 >> From: Eli Polonsky >> To: > >> Would've liked to have come to the dinner Thursday, especially >> considering it was just a few miles from me, but I was run down >> from fighting a cold or flu or something, and had to rest up so >> that I could work later at night. >> >> Eli Polonsky >> > Oh, too bad. One of the first questions I asked was > "Is there anyone here from WBUR?" I wanted to know > if any progress was being made on the WBUR-FM CP > (which now includes a power INCREASE). Also I > would have registered a complaint about this month's R-E-A-L-L-Y > annoying Mother's Day fundraiser. I haven't heard any new information regarding the power increase, and on the overnight shift I don't have to fundraise any more than just to read a promo for it. Eli From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun May 9 21:23:27 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun May 9 21:23:29 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200405100123.i4A1NR3X027400@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > than I can, but the courts don't generally like "arbitrary." It is not enough for a regulation to be ``arbitrary''; most regulations are arbitrary. (Consider, for example, regulations promulgated under the Clean Water Act regulating the concentration of trihalomethanes permitted in your drinking water -- there's no way to do the science that results in a specific maximum permissible level popping out, but the regulators have to choose *some* value.) There are a number of additional factors which must be weighed. To keep this related to broadcasting, the reason the gambling advertisement ban fell a few years ago was not that it was arbitrary, but rather because there were so many exceptions and waivers granted that the court concluded that the remainder could not possibly be directed at the regulation's nominal purpose (and did not, as I recall, reach the question of whether that purpose was in itself permissible). That's one way rules like this tend to fall: if the court finds that there is insufficient connection between the regulation's effect and its legal justification. (The newspaper cross-ownership ban was bound to fall for the same reason, had it remained in effect.) -GAWollman From mlaurence@mindspring.com Sun May 9 21:47:57 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun May 9 21:48:04 2004 Subject: Come Back Little Susan In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040509174331.02f32b70@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <0FFBE270-A224-11D8-B9BE-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> On Sunday, May 9, 2004, at 05:44 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Part of the problem is the Globe lacks a full-time broadcasting writer > with expertise in radio... Clea Simon is a free-lancer and works from > home-- she is assigned articles only sporadically. And you can't > cover today's media on a hit or miss basis. That is one of the Globe's biggest weaknesses. Nearly every other major city paper has a TV beat writer and critic, and a TV weekly magazine that's far superior to the Globe's bare-bones listings. When the Herald had Monica Collins and Jim Baker, and their Sunday TV magazine was full of color and articles, it was the one area where they truly excelled over the Globe. Now both Herald writers are off the staff and they've cut the budget for the TV book too, so both papers are seriously lacking. Mark From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun May 9 22:38:54 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun May 9 22:39:10 2004 Subject: Come Back Little Susan In-Reply-To: <0FFBE270-A224-11D8-B9BE-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040509174331.02f32b70@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040509223512.02c2e060@pop.registeredsite.com> >Mark wrote-- >That is one of the Globe's biggest weaknesses. Nearly every other major >city paper has a TV beat writer and critic, and a TV weekly magazine >that's far superior to the Globe's bare-bones listings. When the Herald >had Monica Collins and Jim Baker, and their Sunday TV magazine was full of >color and articles, it was the one area where they truly excelled over the >Globe. Now both Herald writers are off the staff and they've cut the >budget for the TV book too, so both papers are seriously lacking. Mark Jurkowitz writes about media (including TV) for the Globe and does a good job, but his columns are only a couple of times a week and are more about popular culture based on what I've seen. (He used to be their ombudsman, writing about ethics.) From fox893@yahoo.com Mon May 10 07:01:42 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon May 10 07:01:57 2004 Subject: story about Portland Maine Top 40 History In-Reply-To: <200405071611.AA3472031856@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20040510110142.48920.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com> > WLOB apparently stood for LOBster as in "The > Lobster Network" - no other info available. > The current talk incarnation of WLOB(including the old school jingles) still holds on to that by reffering to their community events calender as the "WLOB Lobster Pot" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon May 10 09:33:42 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon May 10 09:32:19 2004 Subject: The Censor's Back (was: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern) Message-ID: <200405100933.AA631963686@mail.ttlc.net> "Sid Schweiger" wrote: >In any case, by reversing themselves in the Bono case and by not >fining stations that carried the Oprah Winfrey show's decidedly non- >clinical discussion of sexual techniques, they've already broken their >own rules and have set the stage for their regulatory emasculation. Jacques Steinberg (NY Times) wrote today that an Indianapolis radio station cut words like "urinate," "damn" and "orgy" from a recent Rush Limbaugh show. He also noted that apparently some "classic rock radio stations have felt compelled to prune their playlists. Gone are songs like Elton John's "The Bitch Is Back" and "Bitch" by the Rolling Stones." What's next? Sounds like we're right back to the early 70's when "Hi Hi Hi" by Wings, "Puff The Magic Dragon" and "Walk Right In" by the Rooftop Singers were all verboten for their alleged drug references. At WRKO, I recall having to wield the almighty single-edged razor blade and EditAll block to excorcise every vestige of horror from a commercial for that classic film "Dr. Jekyll & Sister Hyde" because a listener complained. Oh the humanity! "And The Wheel Goes Round And Round" From steveord@bit-net.com Mon May 10 12:00:52 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon May 10 12:00:54 2004 Subject: 'Kiss Concert' Ad Heard On B-101 In-Reply-To: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <59471.216.204.15.170.1084204852.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > Last night, while scanning the radio dial in my travels, I happened > upon > B-101 (WWBB Providence), and listened to some of the "Saturday Night All > Request Oldies Party" with Cruisin' Bruce Palmer. During a stopset, one > of the ads was for Kiss 108's (WXKS-FM Medford/Boston) annual "Kiss > Concert" which is taking place on May 22 at the Tweeter Center in > Mansfield. Tickets are still available according to the ad, which is > most unusual, as the "Kiss Concert" has always sold out the day tickets > go on sale. Did it actually mention the Kiss concert by name, or was it just a generic term like "all star concert" or something like that? The days where the Kiss concert was an instant sellout are gone...I dont' think it sold out at all last year, and ticket sales have been sluggish for radio station "mega concerts" in general for a couple years now. Wasn't there some discussion on this board about a year ago on several such concerts being cancelled due to poor ticket sales? That having been said, an oldies station seems an odd place to advertise a concert aimed at an under 30 crowd. From markwats@comcast.net Mon May 10 16:15:02 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon May 10 16:14:43 2004 Subject: 'Kiss Concert' Ad Heard On B-101 References: <002701c43603$859eb8b0$64f88018@markscomputer> <59471.216.204.15.170.1084204852.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <001f01c436cb$7d7e80c0$64f88018@markscomputer> Steve Ordinetz wrote: >Did it actually mention the Kiss concert by name, or was it just a >generic term like "all star concert" or something like that? The spot on B-101 mentioned the "Kiss Concert" by name. Mark Watson From lglavin@lycos.com Mon May 10 16:42:16 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon May 10 16:42:36 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: >DATE: Sun, 09 May 2004 18:48:53 >From: "Sid Schweiger" >In any case, by reversing themselves in the Bono case >and by not fining stations that carried the Oprah >Winfrey show's decidedly non-clinical discussion of >sexual techniques, they've already broken their own >rules and have set the stage for their regulatory >emasculation. "Set the stage"? Would that qualify as a premature emasculation? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 11 02:00:23 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 11 02:03:28 2004 Subject: The Censor's Back (was: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern) In-Reply-To: <200405100933.AA631963686@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <40A033B7.14884.9A953F@localhost> On 10 May 2004 at 9:33, rogerkirk wrote: > Jacques Steinberg (NY Times) wrote today that an Indianapolis radio > station cut words like "urinate," "damn" and "orgy" from a recent Rush > Limbaugh show. He also noted that apparently some "classic rock radio > stations have felt compelled to prune their playlists. Gone are songs > like Elton John's "The Bitch Is Back" and "Bitch" by the Rolling Stones." I wonder whether "Shindler's List," with its full frontal nudity, could be shown on TV today. Some years ago it was shown in prime time on NBC with only very minor comment on the nudity. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ka1mvk@hotmail.com Tue May 11 20:51:52 2004 From: ka1mvk@hotmail.com (Andy Soule) Date: Tue May 11 20:52:00 2004 Subject: Howard on WBCN Delay References: <200405111600.i4BG02t6021809@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: Just passing through this morning... As I traveled north, I had to switch from WCCC to WBCN. First thing I noticed was WBCN was running at least 10 minutes behind WCCC, so they must have some fancy new delay thingy. Confirmed that a short time later during a segment where i think a lot of edits had to be made, and the audio got really strange, like a robot or a crappy web stream. Is this a daily occurance? anyone else notice this? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue May 11 20:56:37 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue May 11 20:56:36 2004 Subject: Howard on WBCN Delay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c437bb$fe1cd150$6400a8c0@AMD> WBCN runs a lot more commercials. I listen to the show just about every day on my trip down to UMass Dartmouth. I can start out listening on WBCN, then once they go to commercials, I can flip over to WKKB 100.3, and they'll already be back in the show. This will happen after about an hour or so, once the extra commercials on WBCN really start building up. The content on the show has never been different on WBCN than on WKKB. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Soule Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:52 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Howard on WBCN Delay Just passing through this morning... As I traveled north, I had to switch from WCCC to WBCN. First thing I noticed was WBCN was running at least 10 minutes behind WCCC, so they must have some fancy new delay thingy. Confirmed that a short time later during a segment where i think a lot of edits had to be made, and the audio got really strange, like a robot or a crappy web stream. Is this a daily occurance? anyone else notice this? From sid.whitaker@unh.edu Tue May 11 21:02:38 2004 From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Sid Whitaker) Date: Tue May 11 21:02:45 2004 Subject: Howard on WBCN delay Message-ID: <1084323758.40a177ae5785d@webmail.unh.edu> Driving to NH from Portland, I've noticed that 104.7 "The Bone" Kennebunkport will be in break from Stern while 'BCN will still have Stern on, and vice versa. The Bone also seems to break away from Stern and return to music earlier than BCN does. Sid Whitaker From brouder@juno.com Wed May 12 07:10:11 2004 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Wed May 12 07:12:03 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV Message-ID: <20040512.041012.506.72447@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Today's Union Leader reports Channel 50 has been sold to ShootingStar Broadcasting of New England, LLC, headed by CEO Diane Sutter. No price is given. ShootingStar is based in California and the article says Sutter also owns(ed) a CBS TV affiliate in Abeline, TX. Sutter is a 30-year broadcast vet who has had TV experience since 1996. Assuming FCC approval, the change of door locks should occur in late summer. One wonders if Alicia Preston knew this was in the WINDS (sorry) before resigning last week as news director.... Ed Brouder Man from Mars Productions ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From tklaundry@juno.com Mon May 10 21:28:47 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Wed May 12 12:05:46 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: <20040510.182944.15349.153267@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Just for the sake of accuracy. This American Life is distributed by PRI, not NPR. dave From markwats@comcast.net Wed May 12 12:11:12 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed May 12 12:10:35 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV References: <20040512.041012.506.72447@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4383b$bf3209d0$64f88018@markscomputer> Ed Brouder wrote: > One wonders if Alicia Preston knew this was in the WINDS (sorry) before resigning last week as news director.... According to the WNDS website www.wnds.com they've already found Alicia's replacement. Martin Morenz, who was most recently an anchor on WMTW-TV (Channel 8) in Portland. One wonders if the new owners of WNDS will make any major changes? I recall the overnight switch to home shopping after a sale several years ago, which fell through and they dumped the shopping shows. The biggest gripes when that happened were from Candlepin Bowling fans, who were upset that the "Candlepins Stars & Strikes" show was yanked in the middle of their annual "Tournament of Champions" series. Mark Watson From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed May 12 13:00:23 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed May 12 13:00:48 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV In-Reply-To: <20040512.041012.506.72447@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040512125928.02cf9bb8@pop.registeredsite.com> At 11:10 AM 5/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Today's Union Leader reports Channel 50 has been sold to ShootingStar >Broadcasting of New England, LLC, headed by CEO Diane Sutter. No price is >given. ShootingStar is based in California and the article says Sutter >also owns(ed) a CBS TV affiliate in Abeline, TX. Sutter is a 30-year >broadcast vet who has had TV experience since 1996. Ah I remember her-- she was a GM in radio in Pittsburgh for a number of years. I guess she made enough money GM'ing to be able to buy stations! From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:20:38 2004 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed May 12 13:04:22 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale Message-ID: <20040512162038.84108.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Shooting Star Broadcasting also made a bid on WQEX Pittsburgh. I can't remember if that's still in the works or dead. I caught a little of WNDS while cruising through the channels around 10:15 last night. The camera looked out of focus. Doesn't sound like there will be any equipment upgrades soon. Maureen Carney __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From scott@fybush.com Wed May 12 13:34:26 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed May 12 13:34:28 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040512125928.02cf9bb8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <20040512.041012.506.72447@webmail19.lax.untd.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20040512125928.02cf9bb8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <21792.66.36.29.157.1084383266.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> > At 11:10 AM 5/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: > > >>Today's Union Leader reports Channel 50 has been sold to ShootingStar >>Broadcasting of New England, LLC, headed by CEO Diane Sutter. No price >> is >>given. ShootingStar is based in California and the article says Sutter >>also owns(ed) a CBS TV affiliate in Abeline, TX. Sutter is a 30-year >>broadcast vet who has had TV experience since 1996. > > Ah I remember her-- she was a GM in radio in Pittsburgh for a number of > years. I guess she made enough money GM'ing to be able to buy stations! She *may* have made enough money. ShootingStar tried last year to buy WQEX (Channel 16) in Pittsburgh, but couldn't put the financing together to make the deal happen. I suspect WNDS is a less expensive purchase... s From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:30:31 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed May 12 14:30:34 2004 Subject: [margaretgillis@ns.sympatico.ca: Re: Re: Radio Show 20's/30's] Message-ID: <200405121830.i4CIUVW4048802@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> A correspondent is having trouble posting her message to the mailing-list, so I am forwarding it. Replies to Ms. Gillis and not to me, please. -GAWollman ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040512175202.PEYE28433.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.9 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 From: To: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: Re: Radio Show 20's/30's Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:52:02 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=____1084384322379_Tbu'XBOSb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank You for replying. The message was...... May 10th/04 In preparation for an August /04 book launch of Scottish Poetry,Music and Songs by Malcolm H Gillis ,I am researching one of his sons who had a scottish violin program on WHDH radio Boston,during the years 1929-1940(approx.).His name was Alex Gillis and his group was called "The Inverness Serenaders." Would anyone have any information about this radio show or this person? Any help would be greatly appreciated . Sincerely Margaret Gillis > From: Garrett Wollman > Date: 2004/05/12 Wed PM 01:39:29 EST > To: > Subject: Re: Radio Show 20's/30's > > - ------=____1084384322379_Tbu'XBOSb4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: null; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" PDxPbiBXZWQsIDEyIE1heSAyMDA0IDEyOjU0OjA4IC0wNDAwLCA8bWFyZ2FyZXRnaWxsaXNA bnMuc3ltcGF0aWNvLmNhPiBzYWlkOg0KDQo+IEhlbGxvIC4uLkkgcmVjZWl2ZWQgdGhlIGZv bGxvd2luZyAgZS1tYWlsIGZyb20geW91ICwgYnV0IGl0IGNvbnRhaW5lZCBubyBpbmZvcm1h dGlvbixleGNlcHQgdGhlIHN0YXRlbWVudCAsIA0KPiAgIlRoZSBtZXNzYWdlJ3MgY29udGVu dCB0eXBlIHdhcyBub3QgZXhwbGljaXRseSBhbGxvd2VkIi4NCj4gV2hhdCBkb2VzIHRoYXQg bWVhbj8gVGhhbmtpbmcgWW91IGZvciBZb3VyIFRpbWUuDQoNCkkgYW0gbm90IHN1cmUuICBX aGF0IHdhcyB5b3VyIG1lc3NhZ2U/DQoNCi1HQVdvbGxtYW4NCg0K - ------=____1084384322379_Tbu'XBOSb4-- ------- end ------- From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed May 12 15:55:10 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed May 12 16:26:27 2004 Subject: Will Air America try to get a Boston station? Message-ID: <20040512195511.84910.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> ...or will the network be gone soon anyway? A N.Y. Daily News column by Michael Goodwin (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/192372p-166266c.html) said the programming veered more toward offensive humor and vitriol than thoughtful discussion, and rumors are circulating that after they failed to meet payroll last Friday, a few more "payless paydays" may doom them. Thought I heard WSNH (Green Stamp radio? S-n'-H... :) up in NH was due to become an affilate, though. NH is considered a swing state; it was won narrowly by Bush in 2000. Different people (ranging from guests on Let's Talk About Radio to some Yahoo Groups about the fledgling network) have said that swing states like N.H. might be more a likely target for AA to try to get an affiliate. Who knows, maybe Air America is trying to be extreme to get attention. Maybe more thoughtful talk can be found on NPR instead. From lglavin@lycos.com Wed May 12 17:00:02 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed May 12 17:00:57 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:28:47 >From: Dave Faneuf >To: bri@bostonradio.org > >Just for the sake of accuracy. This American Life is distributed by PRI, not NPR. >dave > Amazing...a comet appears, the 17-year-cicadas are in heat, and Dave posts to the B.R.I.G. THREE rare occurrences! ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed May 12 17:03:32 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed May 12 17:05:58 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:20:38 >From: Maureen Carney >To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Shooting Star Broadcasting also made a bid on WQEX >Pittsburgh. I can't remember if that's still in the >works or dead. I caught a little of WNDS while >cruising through the channels around 10:15 last night. >The camera looked out of focus. Doesn't sound like >there will be any equipment upgrades soon. > >Maureen Carney > > Like other TV stations, WNDS has an obligation to add DTV facilities. Perhaps they didn't have the wherewithal to undertake this task and sold to someone who will. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed May 12 17:39:07 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed May 12 17:37:41 2004 Subject: Will Air America try to get a Boston station? Message-ID: <200405121739.AA1973748034@mail.ttlc.net> Bob Nelson noted: >A N.Y. Daily News column by Michael Goodwin said the programming >veered more toward offensive humor and vitriol than thoughtful >discussion, and rumors are circulating that after they failed to meet >payroll last Friday, a few more "payless paydays" may doom them. Not having heard these shows myself, I am a tad reluctant to accept Mr. Goodwin's analysis at full face value. Can anyone on the list confirm and/or deny? As for the rumours circulating, unless proven, they are still "just rumours" and reliance on them without corroboration only adds to Air America's woes. (Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy?) I am a moderate Conservative and have no particular axe to grind on this issue either way. But, it seems that either Air America is having large spate of bad luck OR somebody (possibly themselves) is out to do them in. Based on reviews, it would seem Air America's business plan, network-building and show/host preparation were about as well-thought-out as America's post-invasion plans for Peace in Iraq. Failure due to these factors is self-inflicted and they should have nobody to blame but themselves. OTOH, if external forces bent on sabotaging their efforts are afoot, they need to recover quickly before the boat swamps. From kc1ih@mac.com Wed May 12 17:51:32 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed May 12 17:51:39 2004 Subject: Will Air America try to get a Boston station? In-Reply-To: <200405121739.AA1973748034@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200405121739.AA1973748034@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040512174857.028c9820@mail.mac.com> At 05:39 PM 5/12/2004, rogerkirk wrote: >Bob Nelson noted: > > >A N.Y. Daily News column by Michael Goodwin said the programming > >veered more toward offensive humor and vitriol than thoughtful > >discussion, and rumors are circulating that after they failed to meet > >payroll last Friday, a few more "payless paydays" may doom them. > >Not having heard these shows myself, I am a tad reluctant to accept Mr. >Goodwin's analysis at full face value. Can anyone on the list confirm >and/or deny? I heard the "oy" segment yesterday, I did not find it offensive. It's Jewish humor, not anti-Jewish. Some people might not get it, but this Jew is not offended. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed May 12 18:02:52 2004 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed May 12 18:02:55 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV In-Reply-To: <20040512.041012.506.72447@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20040512220252.79556.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> WNDS new anchor Cherilee Budrick anounced at the end of the 10pm newscast Tuesday, that it was her last newscast at Channel 50 John Derry NH ===== New Hampshire Statewide Notification Assn (Fire Buffs) - Fire and Rescue Logs, audio clips, fire history, photos for New Hampshire and New England at: http://www.geocities.com/nhswna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed May 12 18:47:52 2004 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed May 12 18:48:02 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040512224752.39157.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, I sent this to Laurence and not to the whole list initially. WNDS-DT is on the air, on channel 35. It's in their legal IDs. I haven't seen it yet, but I'll guess that they're using the 480i format (which is the bare minimum, and is a sub-DVD quality picture). For whatever reason, CTV of Derry can't or won't dump more money into the station and they look like they need technical help. Shooting Star seems to have capitalization problems, so I fear that leased time home shopping is coming to TV50. > Like other TV stations, WNDS has an obligation to > add DTV > facilities. Perhaps they didn't have the > wherewithal > to undertake this task and sold to someone who will. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow > Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From tklaundry@juno.com Wed May 12 19:19:47 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Wed May 12 19:21:50 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: <20040512.162043.17270.179007@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Proves the theory that bad things happen in threes LOL dave -- "Laurence Glavin" wrote: >DATE: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:28:47 >From: Dave Faneuf >To: bri@bostonradio.org > >Just for the sake of accuracy. This American Life is distributed by PRI, not NPR. >dave > Amazing...a comet appears, the 17-year-cicadas are in heat, and Dave posts to the B.R.I.G. THREE rare occurrences! ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From markwats@comcast.net Wed May 12 21:11:51 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed May 12 21:11:14 2004 Subject: new owner for WNDS TV References: <20040512220252.79556.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801c43887$45e236d0$64f88018@markscomputer> John Bolduc wrote: > WNDS news anchor Cherilee Budrick anounced at the end of >the10pm newscast Tuesday, that it was her last newscast at >Channel 50. I wonder if this is related to the new news director that just took over, or if Cherilee is jumping ship before the boat hits the iceberg? Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed May 12 21:52:16 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed May 12 21:51:36 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale References: <20040512162038.84108.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ad01c4388c$eb223140$64f88018@markscomputer> Maureen Carney wrote: > I caught a little of WNDS while > cruising through the channels around 10:15 last night. > The camera looked out of focus. Doesn't sound like > there will be any equipment upgrades soon. Camera work was less than perfect on the 8 or 10 "Candlepin Stars & Strikes" shows I caught this past season. Several times they would show the bowler letting the ball fly, then they would switch to the shot of the pins, oops wrong lane. We'd see the next lane over while we hear the pins falling on the lane we can't see. Occasionally they would catch themselves and the camera would swing over rapidly to catch the end of the pinfall. Also add in the occasional audio or technical glitch. The production was better in past years IMHO. Maureen mentioned in a post she made after this one that WNDS looks like they need technical help. For the past several years their picture quality has been not as sharp as mst of the other over the air signals in our area. If the owners to be (Shooting Star) are having capitalization problems and end up going to leased time home shopping or other leased time programming coming off a dish, out of focus cameras and "wrong lane" shots won't be a problem. Mark Watson From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed May 12 22:51:09 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed May 12 22:50:47 2004 Subject: Will Air America try to get a Boston station? In-Reply-To: <200405121739.AA1973748034@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <40A2AA5D.25900.41AEC1@localhost> On 12 May 2004 at 17:39, rogerkirk wrote: > Not having heard these shows myself, I am a tad reluctant to accept Mr. > Goodwin's analysis at full face value. Can anyone on the list confirm > and/or deny? I haven't listened for a couple of weeks, but when I did, I didn't find much in the way of offensive humor. There was some humor, but it seemed tastefully done. Certainly not off- color, if that's what is meant by "offensive." Of course, if "offensive" means critical of Bush, then I suppose it was offensive to those who take offense thereby. As for vitriol, it seemed rather tame to me, except for one afternoon when one woman talkmaster was yelling at Ralph Nader about how awful it was that he was running, and not letting Nader get very many words in edgewise. David Brudnoy or WBUR it isn't, but then neither is Limbaugh. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu May 13 09:11:46 2004 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu May 13 09:11:56 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale In-Reply-To: <00ad01c4388c$eb223140$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <20040513131146.7901.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> By technical help, in addition to the camera work the sound is often overmodulated. This is especially noticable during "The Simpsons" on Saturday nights, and I know that's not a problem with the tape since the airings on Fox 25 and WNAC in Providence have never had the same problem. That will drive viewers away no matter what the format. --- Mark Watson wrote: > Maureen Carney wrote: > > > I caught a little of WNDS while > > cruising through the channels around 10:15 last > night. > > The camera looked out of focus. Doesn't sound like > > there will be any equipment upgrades soon. > > Camera work was less than perfect on the 8 or 10 > "Candlepin Stars & > Strikes" shows I caught this past season. Several > times they would show the > bowler letting the ball fly, then they would switch > to the shot of the pins, > oops wrong lane. We'd see the next lane over while > we hear the pins falling > on the lane we can't see. Occasionally they would > catch themselves and the > camera would swing over rapidly to catch the end of > the pinfall. Also add in > the occasional audio or technical glitch. The > production was better in past > years IMHO. > > Maureen mentioned in a post she made after this > one that WNDS looks like > they need technical help. For the past several years > their picture quality > has been not as sharp as mst of the other over the > air signals in our area. > If the owners to be (Shooting Star) are having > capitalization problems and > end up going to leased time home shopping or other > leased time programming > coming off a dish, out of focus cameras and "wrong > lane" shots won't be a > problem. > > Mark Watson > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From kc1ih@mac.com Thu May 13 11:05:31 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu May 13 11:05:38 2004 Subject: WNDS Sale In-Reply-To: <20040513131146.7901.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040513131146.7901.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 6:11 AM -0700 5/13/04, Maureen Carney wrote: >By technical help, in addition to the camera work the >sound is often overmodulated. This is especially >noticable during "The Simpsons" on Saturday nights, >and I know that's not a problem with the tape since >the airings on Fox 25 and WNAC in Providence have >never had the same problem. That will drive viewers >away no matter what the format. What I think is probably happening there is too much audio processing (compression). They are probably processing the audio when the program is recorded from satellite, and again when it is broadcast. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@lycos.com Thu May 13 17:16:02 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu May 13 17:16:22 2004 Subject: WSJ Story on Naught Radio Message-ID: Today's (05/13) Wall Street Journal had a front age/above-the-fold story about a media maven who has been shadowing Chicago radio personality "Mancow". Usually, stories in the Wall Street Journal can't be linked because it has the most airtight subscriber-only firewall. However, I found a pageview that apparently allows a legal link to the story. Here is the URL: http://framehosting.dowjonesnews.com/sample/samplestory.asp?StoryID=2004051303040001&Take=1 ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu May 13 17:23:07 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu May 13 17:23:22 2004 Subject: Fwd: WSJ Story on Naught Radio Message-ID: I was so obsessed about getting the URL right, I goofed up on the title: It should be "WSJ Story on Naughty Radio. --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:16:02 From: "Laurence Glavin" To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Cc: Today's (05/13) Wall Street Journal had a front age/above-the-fold story about a media maven who has been shadowing Chicago radio personality "Mancow". Usually, stories in the Wall Street Journal can't be linked because it has the most airtight subscriber-only firewall. However, I found a pageview that apparently allows a legal link to the story. Here is the URL: ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From tklaundry@juno.com Thu May 13 21:54:37 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Thu May 13 21:55:38 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern Message-ID: <20040513.185508.15650.195521@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> -- "Dan Strassberg" wrote: I wondered about that when I wrote my original post, but I have to say that NPR and WBUR appear to do everything in their power to confuse the public on that issue. And if I am confused--consummate radio geek that I am--you can be DAMNED sure, that 99% of public radio listeners are also confused. For example, WBUR bills itself as Boston's NPR News Station because of its reliance on NPR News. The only other Network News on the air is BBC World Service which is distributed by PRI. TAL is produced by Chicago Public Radio and distributed by PRI. Marketplace is produced by Minnesota Public Radio and distributed by PRI. PRI is basically just a distribution network and I don't think it originates any programming itself, but I could be wrong about that last part. So there is no conspiracy at work here. dave From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri May 14 07:43:14 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri May 14 07:44:26 2004 Subject: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern References: <20040513.185508.15650.195521@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <000f01c439a8$beecdea0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> And we should make sure that everybody is clear that the GW you're keeping happy in this case is not the one in the White House ;>) But who knows when John Ashcroft might start objecting to mailing-list postings from which too little quoted material has been deleted? Probably only when the message contains a phrase that triggers a surveillance filter. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Faneuf To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: NPR's Ira Glass defends Howard Stern > > > > -- "Dan Strassberg" wrote: > I wondered about that when I wrote my original post, but I have to say that > NPR and WBUR appear to do everything in their power to confuse the public on > that issue. And if I am confused--consummate radio geek that I am--you can > be DAMNED sure, that 99% of public radio listeners are also confused. For > example, > > > WBUR bills itself as Boston's NPR News Station because of its reliance on NPR News. The only other Network News on the air is BBC World Service which is distributed by PRI. TAL is produced by Chicago Public Radio and distributed by PRI. Marketplace is produced by Minnesota Public Radio and distributed by PRI. PRI is basically just a distribution network and I don't think it originates any programming itself, but I could be wrong about that last part. So there is no conspiracy at work here. > dave > From miscon@miscon.net Fri May 14 12:58:25 2004 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Fri May 14 12:55:38 2004 Subject: PRI (was: NPR's Ira Glass...) Message-ID: <200405141258.AA285147288@miscon.net> From: Dave Faneuf Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:54:37 GMT PRI is basically just a distribution network and I don't think it originates any programming itself, but I could be wrong about that last part. So there is no conspiracy at work here. >dave "The World" (www.theworld.org) is a co-production of the BBC, WGBH and Public Radio International. (Basically, he Beeb provides bodies, WGBH provides facilities, and PRI supplies money and distribution) Don't know if you'd consider that as PRI helping to provide original programming. Mike -- Michael G. Wilkins Mission Control Information Systems www.miscon.net serving and supporting new england's electronic dance culture since 1994 -- From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri May 14 13:16:25 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri May 14 13:20:51 2004 Subject: PRI (was: NPR's Ira Glass...) References: <200405141258.AA285147288@miscon.net> Message-ID: <014e01c439d7$38d8ca20$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > "The World" (www.theworld.org) is a co-production of the BBC, WGBH and Public Radio International. (Basically, he Beeb provides bodies, WGBH provides facilities, and PRI supplies money and distribution) Funny though...I would expected to see the BBC carry it on one of their networks. I haven't seen it on any BBC schedule. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri May 14 13:44:12 2004 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri May 14 13:35:50 2004 Subject: Need info on contacts at Boston radio stations References: <20040505022104.76150.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c439db$11ecd010$6401a8c0@LizardHome> "Epiphora" asked: > I am a local musician named Epiphora, looking to get exposure for my > music. While it would be great to get my music "on the air" I have > found that my material (currently instrumental) has been useful as > music beds for radio ads, voice-overs, and DJ intro/outros. I'm > looking to launch this two-pronged attack, but I would like to > intelligently target the right personnel at the radio stations in > Boston so that my music doesn't end up in the trash bin immediately. > > Can anyone tell me who is the appropriate person (i.e. title) at any > given station to forward my CD to, like Production Director or Music > Director? Also, is there a readily available public source for this > information? Looking over my backlog of BRI e-mail. Nobody here has any names or contact info for this guy? From lglavin@lycos.com Fri May 14 16:58:03 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri May 14 16:58:23 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? Message-ID: >From time to time, it has been mentioned on LTAR at least that WCAT-AM 700 Orange/Athol has been broadcasting in Spanish. Today (05/14) I happened upon the 700 dial spot, and WCAT-AM was English-language talk, specifically the Sean Hannity show; I waited for a station ID and it went something like "WGAW, Gardner, WCAT, Orange-Athol". So now AM 700 seems to be duplicating AM 1340 in Gardner (not likely the other way around since WGAW is full-time); so I ask: how long has this been going on? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri May 14 17:16:14 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri May 14 17:16:21 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c439f8$b37505c0$6400a8c0@AMD> I noticed 700 WCAT on the air way too late one night a couple weeks ago (around midnight) and they were running a replay of the Sean Hannity show with WGAW IDs. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:58 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? >From time to time, it has been mentioned on LTAR at least that WCAT-AM 700 Orange/Athol has been broadcasting in Spanish. Today (05/14) I happened upon the 700 dial spot, and WCAT-AM was English-language talk, specifically the Sean Hannity show; I waited for a station ID and it went something like "WGAW, Gardner, WCAT, Orange-Athol". So now AM 700 seems to be duplicating AM 1340 in Gardner (not likely the other way around since WGAW is full-time); so I ask: how long has this been going on? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default .asp?SRC=lycos10 From paul@03038.com Fri May 14 19:16:02 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri May 14 19:29:36 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c43a0b$f0325c20$0e87fea9@q0002> Maybe since Gov Shaheens's husband et al bought WSHN 900 (nee WMVU) Nashua NH? IIRC, WGAW was simulcasting WMVU for a while, and I believe had been doing so within the last year. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:58 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? >From time to time, it has been mentioned on LTAR at least that WCAT-AM 700 Orange/Athol has been broadcasting in Spanish. Today (05/14) I happened upon the 700 dial spot, and WCAT-AM was English-language talk, specifically the Sean Hannity show; I waited for a station ID and it went something like "WGAW, Gardner, WCAT, Orange-Athol". So now AM 700 seems to be duplicating AM 1340 in Gardner (not likely the other way around since WGAW is full-time); so I ask: how long has this been going on? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From steveord@bit-net.com Fri May 14 20:15:18 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri May 14 20:15:15 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? In-Reply-To: <004901c43a0b$f0325c20$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <004901c43a0b$f0325c20$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040514201359.01bb2bf8@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Maybe since Gov Shaheens's husband et al bought WSHN 900 (nee WMVU) Nashua >NH? IIRC, WGAW was simulcasting WMVU for a while, and I believe had been >doing so within the last year. Actually, it's WSNH. I think the simulcast ended right around the time that 900 went to the oldies format (Sept-Oct '03). From paulranderson@charter.net Fri May 14 22:00:06 2004 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Fri May 14 22:01:30 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96267BB8-A613-11D8-81DA-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On May 14, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > So now AM 700 seems to be duplicating AM 1340 in Gardner > (not likely the other way around since WGAW is full-time); > so I ask: how long has this been going on? I can't say, but wonder why such an odd simulcast--these stations are just a few towns down Route 2 from each other. Other than at night when WCAT isn't on, doesn't WCAT's coverage area totally include all of WGAW's? Paul From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 15 04:49:48 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat May 15 04:50:10 2004 Subject: Need info on contacts at Boston radio stations In-Reply-To: <000701c439db$11ecd010$6401a8c0@LizardHome> References: <20040505022104.76150.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040515044840.02d8f380@pop.registeredsite.com> >Roger wrote-- > >Looking over my backlog of BRI e-mail. Nobody here has any names >or contact info for this guy? I think it's more a matter of most of us realise that local bands (especially those that are unsigned) have very little chance of getting airplay these days, and so we don't wanna get the guy's hopes up... From paul@03038.com Sat May 15 09:29:49 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat May 15 09:31:13 2004 Subject: How Long Has This Been Going On? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040514201359.01bb2bf8@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <006101c43a81$81aff0c0$0e87fea9@q0002> I nkew that...it was just a tpyo! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:15 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: How Long Has This Been Going On? Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Maybe since Gov Shaheens's husband et al bought WSHN 900 (nee WMVU) Nashua >NH? IIRC, WGAW was simulcasting WMVU for a while, and I believe had been >doing so within the last year. Actually, it's WSNH. I think the simulcast ended right around the time that 900 went to the oldies format (Sept-Oct '03). From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Sat May 15 15:34:34 2004 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat May 15 15:35:20 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=EA?= : How Long Has This Been Going On? Message-ID: <40A670CA.B800712A@Programmer.Net> Our one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > From time to time, it has been mentioned on LTAR at least > that WCAT-AM 700 Orange/Athol has been broadcasting in > Spanish. Today (05/14) I happened upon the 700 dial spot, > and WCAT-AM was English-language talk, specifically the > Sean Hannity show; I waited for a station ID and it > went something like "WGAW, Gardner, WCAT, Orange-Athol". > So now AM 700 seems to be duplicating AM 1340 in Gardner > (not likely the other way around since WGAW is full-time); > so I ask: how long has this been going on? Since 29 Apr., when I noted the Red Sox (English) on (and either that morning or the morning before I *did* hear them, still with Spanish). And, yes, ever since the switch they've been on 24/7 (carrying sports talk in the overnights), w/day power, completely obscuring WLW (hmmm...ya think someone should drop THE BIG ONE an e-mail, advising them of the unlawful interference? P=) BTW, speaking about WLW in the overnight, The Truckin' Bozo, Dale Sommers, has retired on disability and his son, Steve (not, nor any relation to, WFAN's talk host)--who had been doing weekends--is now the show's weeknight host, and the new weekend host, Eric "Bubba Bo" Boulanger, sounds (voicewise) just like 'RKO's Pat Whitley! I just found an article about "Bubba Bo" (who, apparently, is trying to tinker with the show's format ,and the listeners and the Sommers' are none too happy!) and Dale's departure: http://www.cincypost.com/2004/04/23/truck042304.html Likely related, 1.180-WHAM has dropped The Bozo show (returning to "Coast to Coast AM"), leaving WLW and 1.170-WWVA as the only regional affiliates. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Sat May 15 15:58:38 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat May 15 15:58:47 2004 Subject: Bozo (was: Re:How Long Has This Been Going On?) In-Reply-To: <40A670CA.B800712A@Programmer.Net> References: <40A670CA.B800712A@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040515155436.028f0f50@mail.mac.com> At 03:34 PM 5/15/2004, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: >Likely related, 1.180-WHAM has dropped The Bozo show (returning to >"Coast to Coast AM"), leaving WLW and 1.170-WWVA as the only regional >affiliates. I believe the original Trucking Bozo has either retired or passed away. The show is now available on Sirius Satellite Radio (and perhaps also on XM), so even a lot of the truckers are abandoning AM (except for 27 MHz.). -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From tklaundry@juno.com Sat May 15 22:59:10 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Sat May 15 23:09:00 2004 Subject: PRI (was: NPR's Ira Glass...) Message-ID: <20040515.230847.-485897.63.tklaundry@juno.com> On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:16:25 -0400 "Joseph Pappalardo" writes: > > > "The World" (www.theworld.org) is a co-production of the BBC, WGBH > and > Public Radio International. (Basically, he Beeb provides bodies, > WGBH > provides facilities, and PRI supplies money and distribution) > > Funny though...I would expected to see the BBC carry it on one of > their > networks. > > I haven't seen it on any BBC schedule. As I pointed out and Mike can back me up, the BBC is distributed in the U-S by PRI. As a matter of fact when The Connection was distributed by PRI before NPR picked it up, the newscast that was provided to stations by The Connection was the BBC, not NPR. dave From lglavin@lycos.com Sun May 16 14:13:35 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun May 16 14:13:57 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... Message-ID: As of 1:30 pm today (05/16) WNSH-AM 900 in Nashua, NH has been off-the-air. This is no big deal, unless they're setting up to become an AirAmerica affiliate as the AirAmerica website says. One interesting(?) sidebar: the last time AM 900 in Nashua was off-the-air for a protracted period of time, I could observe the signal strength of WAMG-AM 890 COL Dedham (wink,wink); today, it had only a minimal signal and was very distorted as if I were in the path of a sharp null in the pattern. A few months ago, when AM 1150 became WTTT, and AM 890 picked up the calls AND became the only station in metro Boston with the programming, 890's signal became noticeably stronger in the Merrimack Valley. If I tried to listen to WNSH while driving in the area, there was considerable splatter from WAMG. Now, if they've changed the pattern to include a sharp null in a northerly direction, wouldn't it be more due North that ENE towards Methuen-Lawrence-Andover? The way WAMG sounds now, it reminds me of a null WBZ-AM once had on the Outer Cape. Somewhere around the Eastham visitors' center, WBZ faded and became very distorted for a short distance. That is no longer the case I believe. Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun May 16 17:10:41 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun May 16 17:10:43 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040516170313.02f7b7a0@pop.gis.net> >it reminds me of a null WBZ-AM >once had on the Outer Cape. Somewhere around the >Eastham visitors' center, WBZ faded and became very >distorted for a short distance. That is no longer the case I believe. WBZ used to be unlistenable on almost all the Cape. In the summer of 1975, WBZ did a weekend of old time radio from (at the time) Dunfey's Resort in Hyannis as a fundraiser. Problem was that no one on the Cape could hear it. We used land lines for on air monitors. Pattern may have been changed after transmitter fire in late 80s(?). From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun May 16 17:31:11 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun May 16 17:32:32 2004 Subject: WAMG/WBIX (was WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air...) References: Message-ID: <001101c43b8d$3d06cd60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I suppose it's possible that WAMG's patterns are distorted because of the work that has been going on at its transmitter site on Sewell St in Ashland to install WBIX's night facilities there. Several months ago, WBIX posted at its Web site a set of 17 jpg images of the work that had been done at the Sewell St site. If you search assiduously at WBIX.com, you will probably locate the images; I think they are in a section titled Photo Galleries--or some such name--and the specific group of 17 is called Construction, I believe. Even though the site was originally built for 1060, the amount of work to return the station to the site was not what I would call minimal. My guess is that WBIX spent at least $500,000 not including engineering and legal fees, which could easily have amounted to an additional $500,000. It is unfortunate that whoever posted the photos at the WBIX Web site didn't include subtitles so we could know what we are looking at. Although I am familiar with the transmitter site, I can't be sure, in many of the photos, whether I am looking toward the east or the west. There are also photos of equipment that I can't identify. I think that WBIX has constructed a rather large prefabricated steel transmitter building between the #1 and #2 towers (#1 is at the west end of the array and is closest to Route 126; the towers are numbered sequentially from west to east). WAMG's cinder-block building is just west of the #3 tower. It does not appear that any ATU buildings have been added at the tower bases, which is unusual. Maybe the ATUs had not been installed at the time the photos were taken and have now been added or will be added. Due to the proximity of the transmitter building, the ATUs for towers ! and 2 might be inside the Tx building (as is WAMG's ATU for tower #3), but I think there is a high probability that separate ATU buildings will be required for the other three towers. Anyhow, it has been a long time since I have heard WBIX running at reduced power, suggesting that the array is not yet ready to be tuned up and proofed. It won't be long before the six-month STA will expire--if it hasn't already done so. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... > As of 1:30 pm today (05/16) WNSH-AM 900 in Nashua, NH > has been off-the-air. This is no big deal, unless they're > setting up to become an AirAmerica affiliate as the AirAmerica website > says. One interesting(?) sidebar: > the last time AM 900 in Nashua was off-the-air for > a protracted period of time, I could observe the signal > strength of WAMG-AM 890 COL Dedham (wink,wink); > today, it had only a minimal signal and was very distorted > as if I were in the path of a sharp null in the pattern. > A few months ago, when AM 1150 became WTTT, and > AM 890 picked up the calls AND became the only station > in metro Boston with the programming, 890's signal became > noticeably stronger in the Merrimack Valley. If I > tried to listen to WNSH while driving in the area, there > was considerable splatter from WAMG. > Now, if they've changed the pattern to include a sharp > null in a northerly direction, wouldn't it > be more due North that ENE towards Methuen-Lawrence-Andover? > The way WAMG sounds now, it reminds me of a null WBZ-AM > once had on the Outer Cape. Somewhere around the > Eastham visitors' center, WBZ faded and became very > distorted for a short distance. That is no longer the case I believe. From radiotony@comcast.net Sun May 16 19:37:33 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Sun May 16 19:37:36 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040516170313.02f7b7a0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <00ac01c43b9e$c2cf65e0$6500a8c0@tony> I don't know. Back in 1998 when I went on vaca, I brought my shortwave/AM/FM to Hyannis and I could barely listen to Bruds at all. I kept moving the thing around trying to pick WBZ up and I couldn't. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: ; Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... > > >it reminds me of a null WBZ-AM > >once had on the Outer Cape. Somewhere around the > >Eastham visitors' center, WBZ faded and became very > >distorted for a short distance. That is no longer the case I believe. > > WBZ used to be unlistenable on almost all the Cape. > > In the summer of 1975, WBZ did a weekend of old time radio > from (at the time) Dunfey's Resort in Hyannis as a fundraiser. > Problem was that no one on the Cape could hear it. We used > land lines for on air monitors. > > Pattern may have been changed after transmitter fire in late 80s(?). > > From ben@hrdent.com Fri May 14 23:45:34 2004 From: ben@hrdent.com (Ben Gore) Date: Sun May 16 23:42:55 2004 Subject: WGME 50th broadcast Message-ID: <40A55A1E.23789.2B185C3@localhost> WGME is promoing a 50th anniversary broadcast detailing the station's history... starting Sunday night at 6PM (perhaps in segments during the news broadcast?) I don't see any more details on their web site either. -Ben From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon May 17 11:26:18 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon May 17 11:26:27 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040517152618.50458.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > As of 1:30 pm today (05/16) WNSH-AM 900 in Nashua, > NH > has been off-the-air. Guess you mean WSNH 900 as opposed to WNSH 1570 :) 'SNH...green stamps radio! (Though I guess these days they're called Green Points) From lglavin@lycos.com Mon May 17 16:54:00 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon May 17 16:54:21 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:26:18 >From: Bob Nelson >To: lglavin@lycos.com, boston-radio->interest@bostonradio.org >--- Laurence Glavin wrote: >> As of 1:30 pm today (05/16) WNSH-AM 900 in Nashua, >> NH >> has been off-the-air. > >Guess you mean WSNH 900 as opposed to WNSH 1570 :) >'SNH...green stamps radio! (Though I guess these days >they're called Green Points) > > > Correctimundo...Sunday dyslexia or fumblefingers. W-S-NH was back later Sunday afternoon broadcasting oldies or whatever their format is called, and it's doing so now. The papers said NH got hit with terrfic lightning storms Saturday night and Sunday PM. That may have caused W-S-NH's disappearance for a few hours; I neglected to check WSMN. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon May 17 17:50:09 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon May 17 17:38:42 2004 Subject: WNSH-AM 900 Off The Air... Message-ID: > As of 1:30 pm today (05/16) WNSH-AM 900 in Nashua, NH > has been off-the-air. This is no big deal, unless they're > setting up to become an AirAmerica affiliate... They're back on today with the usual automated oldies. Eli Polonsky From tklaundry@juno.com Tue May 18 23:19:56 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Tue May 18 23:21:36 2004 Subject: Where is Stella? Message-ID: <20040518.202004.23103.12649@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Is Stella Mars still on the air anywhere in the market? Anyone know where she ended up? dave From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed May 19 04:18:15 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Wed May 19 04:18:20 2004 Subject: Where is Stella? Message-ID: <7d20537d7759.7d77597d2053@nyroc.rr.com> The Inquiring Dave asked: >> Is Stella Mars still on the air anywhere in the market? Anyone know where she ended up? << to paraphrase one of the great songs of all time: California is the place she ought to be... So she loaded up the car and she moved to Beverly... Hills, that is. Swimmin' pools. Movie Stahs. Stella went to LA/Hollywood. she's been doing some TV, at least she was in some of the early "Without A Trace" episodes. non-speaking parts, but it's more network tv than i've done! and i understand she's been pursuing some voice-over work, too. if i hear more, i'll update ya. - -Chuck Igo From mike_ed@msn.com Wed May 19 17:07:45 2004 From: mike_ed@msn.com (Mike G) Date: Wed May 19 19:13:54 2004 Subject: New NHL-NBC Agreement Message-ID: I'm kind of surprised with the uncertainty of there being a NHL hockey season next year that any of the major networks would want to touch hockey with a 100 foot pole but now that NBC is going to be televising the NHL that Bob Neueier's days at WEEI are numbered considering his vast experience covering both the Boston Bruins and Hartford Whalers ??? http://www.boston.com/dailynews/140/sports/NHL_agrees_to_two_year_deal_wi:.shtml From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed May 19 19:35:24 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed May 19 19:35:29 2004 Subject: New NHL-NBC Agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c43df9$f581c4d0$b5433c18@Sean> Mike G. writes: > I'm kind of surprised with the uncertainty of there being a > NHL hockey > season next year that any of the major networks would want to > touch hockey > with a 100 foot pole but now that NBC is going to be > televising the NHL that > Bob Neueier's days at WEEI are numbered considering his vast > experience > covering both the Boston Bruins and Hartford Whalers ??? > > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/140/sports/NHL_agrees_to_two_y ear_deal_wi:.shtml >From the way I understand it (I haven't read this link), it's going to be a pure revenue sharing agreement between NBC and the NHL, similar to NBC's Arena Football contract. What do they have to lose on this? Nothing. And ESPN is locking in the league for bargain-basement dollars, so you can't really fault them for going with this, either. The losers here: the NHL and 30 teams (where if you believe the league offices 20 of those teams are about to go file Chapter 11 any day). From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed May 19 19:35:24 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed May 19 19:35:30 2004 Subject: New NHL-NBC Agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c43df9$f581c4d0$b5433c18@Sean> Mike G. writes: > I'm kind of surprised with the uncertainty of there being a > NHL hockey > season next year that any of the major networks would want to > touch hockey > with a 100 foot pole but now that NBC is going to be > televising the NHL that > Bob Neueier's days at WEEI are numbered considering his vast > experience > covering both the Boston Bruins and Hartford Whalers ??? > > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/140/sports/NHL_agrees_to_two_y ear_deal_wi:.shtml >From the way I understand it (I haven't read this link), it's going to be a pure revenue sharing agreement between NBC and the NHL, similar to NBC's Arena Football contract. What do they have to lose on this? Nothing. And ESPN is locking in the league for bargain-basement dollars, so you can't really fault them for going with this, either. The losers here: the NHL and 30 teams (where if you believe the league offices 20 of those teams are about to go file Chapter 11 any day). From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu May 20 23:09:26 2004 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu May 20 23:08:20 2004 Subject: Fox Business Channel? Message-ID: <40AD72E6.8070600@gabrielmass.com> I hope this isn't too off-topic, inasmuch as it concerns cable: radio-with-pictures transmitted in a broadcast-over-wires. The CEO of News Corp. was interviewed on Fox News a couple of weeks ago by business reporter Neil Cavuto, and mentioned that there would be another new cable channel from Fox before the year was out. Rupert Murdoch didn't specify what it would be, but Cavuto hinted that it might be a full-time business channel. Given that CNBC, CNNfn, and Bloomberg are in this niche, isn't it crowded already? --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri May 21 07:17:50 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri May 21 07:18:35 2004 Subject: WPAC Message-ID: <000d01c43f25$45e398a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Scott: Re this week's Site of the Week, weren't the WPAC calls once in Patchogue--for many years? Were they on the 1580 station that is now WLIM? And if those calls WERE in Patchogue, can you piece together the chronology of their peregrinations between the North Country and Eastern Long Island? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From lglavin@lycos.com Fri May 21 17:24:11 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri May 21 17:24:32 2004 Subject: Scott Allen Miller Globe Op-ed Message-ID: WRKO-AM morning co-host Scott Allen Miller (like the cheap watery beer) wrote an op-ed piece for today's (05/21) Boston Globe. It dealt with the censorious posture of today's FCC. While it lasts, check it out at: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/05/21/fcc_sows_confusion_in_holy_war_on_profanity/ (BTW, the 9-million figure for the Nipplegate incident seems a little small) ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kc1ih@mac.com Fri May 21 17:54:40 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri May 21 17:54:52 2004 Subject: WPAC In-Reply-To: <000d01c43f25$45e398a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <000d01c43f25$45e398a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040521175337.01f561d8@mail.mac.com> At 07:17 AM 5/21/2004, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Scott: Re this week's Site of the Week, weren't the WPAC calls once in >Patchogue--for many years? Were they on the 1580 station that is now WLIM? Yes, this native Long Islander remembers the WPAC call on 1580 way back when.... -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri May 21 18:50:18 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri May 21 19:09:20 2004 Subject: Scott Allen Miller Globe Op-ed References: Message-ID: <000b01c43f88$979bf8a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> OTOH, Miller's math is off. If the FCC received 531,000 letters and if there were approximately 9 million SuperBowl viewers (which, right or wrong, is the number Miller used), the percentage of complainers was not less than 1% as Miller's letter said, but much closer to 6%. If indeed 6% of the viewers complained, it's a signficant fraction, because a lot of people who felt offended would surely noy have bothered to complain. Now, if the number of vewers was approximately 60 million--a believable number; it's less than 1/4 of the US population, he'd be correct about the percentage who complained. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: Scott Allen Miller Globe Op-ed > WRKO-AM morning co-host Scott Allen Miller (like the > cheap watery beer) wrote an op-ed piece for today's > (05/21) Boston Globe. It dealt with the censorious > posture of today's FCC. While it lasts, check it out at: > > http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/05/21/ fcc_sows_confusion_in_holy_war_on_profanity/ > > (BTW, the 9-million figure for the Nipplegate incident > seems a little small) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From markwats@comcast.net Sat May 22 09:31:20 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat May 22 09:31:17 2004 Subject: WSMN Nashua Update Message-ID: <001701c44001$11b84350$64f88018@markscomputer> A few weeks ago, I posted information regarding a proposed housing development that a developer wanted to build on the property currently occupied by WSMN (1590 Nashua NH). The Nashua Telegraph reports today that the city's Planning Board voted 4-1 this past Thursday night to approve the construction of the 40 unit cluster housing development on the 12 acre site that currently houses WSMN's studios and the 3 tower directional array. Under the plan approved by the Planning Board, the developer will tear down the WSMN studio building and towers to make way for the new housing. A member of the 1590 Broadcasting Corp.board of directors is quoted in the article as saying that the radio station will relocate to another location. It is not known when the WSMN transmitter site will be torn down but until that happens, WSMN can broadcast from another location. The board of director goes on to say that after the 3 towers are torn down, the station may have to go off the air for a while, but would resume broadcasting as soon as the towers can be replaced. No timetable is given in the article for when the construction will begin. I wonder if WSMN has an alternate TX site to go to, or are they selling the property now and hoping to find land later. Hopefully they won't encounter any NIMBY's at any new site they want to build at. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat May 22 10:48:00 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat May 22 10:48:32 2004 Subject: WSMN Nashua Update References: <001701c44001$11b84350$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <002801c4400b$cbb3e980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I predict a low-power STA diplexed with WSNH 900. The fact that the 1590 station in Waterbury CT is dead means that night power of 50W or more is likely to be permitted. Day power will be limited by WUNR. Since there is already prohibited overlap between WSMN and WUNR, I guess the FCC will allow somewhat more power than you might think. For example, WAZN 1470 is, as far as I know, still running 850W ND from the WTTT site. WAZN's CP for days from that site is for 1400W but with a directional pattern that fills the nulls to only a bit more than 200W. So the ND operation radiates about double the field strength in the direction of those nulls that the day directional pattern would radiate. WSMN sends very little signal toward WUNR, but I'm not sure just how little. Also, isn't WSNH's site several miles futher north than WSMN's site? That would put more distance between WSMN and WUNR, enabling WSMN to use more power. It's also possible that WSMN will find a friendly cell-tower operator who would permit a low-power AM to use his tower, or WSMN might go it alone. On 1590, a 100' tower can easily be top-loaded to an electrical height of about 80 degrees, which would produce reasonable efficiency. Finding a site for a 100' tower is a lot easier than finding a site for a three-tower AM DA comprising towers of 200' or close. >From a site at the north end of Nashua, WSMN might be able to run the 250W equivalent necessary for a licensed operation and still reduce prohibited overlap with WUNR. With waivers of the requirement for 5 mV/m daytime coverage of the COL, that single 100' tower might be all that WSMN would have to construct. Before WAZN moved to Watertown, it ran from a single top-loaded 100' stick in Hudson MA for probably close to four years. Covered the old COL of Marlboro reasonably well--during the day (and could be heard beyond the end of its ground system at night). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Watson To: Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: WSMN Nashua Update > A few weeks ago, I posted information regarding a proposed housing > development that a developer wanted to build on the property currently > occupied by WSMN (1590 Nashua NH). The Nashua Telegraph reports today that > the city's Planning Board voted 4-1 this past Thursday night to approve the > construction of the 40 unit cluster housing development on the 12 acre site > that currently houses WSMN's studios and the 3 tower directional array. > Under the plan approved by the Planning Board, the developer will tear down > the WSMN studio building and towers to make way for the new housing. > > A member of the 1590 Broadcasting Corp.board of directors is quoted in > the article as saying that the radio station will relocate to another > location. It is not known when the WSMN transmitter site will be torn down > but until that happens, WSMN can broadcast from another location. The board > of director goes on to say that after the 3 towers are torn down, the > station may have to go off the air for a while, but would resume > broadcasting as soon as the towers can be replaced. > > No timetable is given in the article for when the construction will > begin. I wonder if WSMN has an alternate TX site to go to, or are they > selling the property now and hoping to find land later. Hopefully they won't > encounter any NIMBY's at any new site they want to build at. > > Mark Watson > > From steveord@bit-net.com Sat May 22 10:58:53 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat May 22 10:58:50 2004 Subject: WSMN Nashua Update In-Reply-To: <001701c44001$11b84350$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <001701c44001$11b84350$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040522105426.01b09a70@pop3.bit-net.com> Mark Watson wrote: > A member of the 1590 Broadcasting Corp.board of directors is quoted in >the article as saying that the radio station will relocate to another >location. It is not known when the WSMN transmitter site will be torn down >but until that happens, WSMN can broadcast from another location. The board >of director goes on to say that after the 3 towers are torn down, the >station may have to go off the air for a while, but would resume >broadcasting as soon as the towers can be replaced. > > No timetable is given in the article for when the construction will >begin. I wonder if WSMN has an alternate TX site to go to, or are they >selling the property now and hoping to find land later. Hopefully they won't >encounter any NIMBY's at any new site they want to build at. Lotsa luck finding a place to put a 3 tower DA in Nashua. Why are they even bothering? That station has been dead weight for decades. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat May 22 15:02:38 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat May 22 15:02:58 2004 Subject: WSMN Nashua Update Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:48:00 >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Mark Watson" ,radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> >WSMN sends very little signal toward WUNR, but I'm >not sure just how little. Also, isn't WSNH's site several miles futher north >than WSMN's site? That would put more distance between WSMN and WUNR, >enabling WSMN to use more power. >-- >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net WSNH's coordinates are: 42...45...34N 71...28...37W WSMN's coordinates are: 42...44...40N 71...26...52W According to the FCC, the distance from WSNH to WSMN is 1.48 miles and the orientation 225.57, or nearly due SW. A move from the Nashua By-pass to just west of downtown, where the WSNH tower is, would be a bit more east than north. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun May 23 23:52:44 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun May 23 23:53:02 2004 Subject: Dotty Myles? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040523235037.02da6558@pop.registeredsite.com> Do any of you recall Dotty Myles, who was the young (17 years old) vocalist horribly burned in the Cocoanut Grove fire... She lived and eventually recovered, despite being severely disfigured. And she even began performing again in the late 40s/early 50s. I am trying to find out when she died-- it was sometime in the late 80s, I believe. Anybody know? From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon May 24 00:44:26 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon May 24 00:43:49 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination Message-ID: <40B1456A.3347.4BDC30@localhost> In covering the story about the possibility that John Kerry may delay accepting the nomination until several weeks after the convention, I haven't, so far, heard anyone in the media mention the fact that the candidate's acceptance speech at a political convention is actually a recent innovation, begun by Franklin D. Roosevelt. Before that, the candidates didn't even come to the convention. The convention would appoint a committee to go and inform the candidate of his nomination and ask if he would accept. I once read a story that when the committee found Abraham Lincoln to inform him of his nomination, he was playing in a baseball game, and he wouldn't see them until he had finished his turn at bat. I'm not sure I believe this, since he would have been over 50 at the time. I suppose the failure of the media to put this in historical perspective may be partly due to the fact that nobody at the media knows their history. But I would have thought the print media, at least, would do some research. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psu.edu Mon May 24 05:05:21 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon May 24 05:05:26 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <40B1456A.3347.4BDC30@localhost> Message-ID: <000401c4416e$3e894cd0$b5433c18@Sean> A. Joseph Ross writes: > In covering the story about the possibility that John Kerry > may delay accepting the > nomination until several weeks after the convention, I > haven't, so far, heard anyone in the > media mention the fact that the candidate's acceptance speech > at a political convention is > actually a recent innovation, begun by Franklin D. Roosevelt. What I've heard no one else mention, other than Tim Russert on Meet the Press, is the fact that if Kerry doesn't accept the nomination the event pretty much loses all its newsworthy value; apparently Republicans have said they will demand equal time of "political rallies" if that's the case. From lglavin@lycos.com Mon May 24 16:40:13 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon May 24 16:40:33 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:44:26 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >In covering the story about the possibility that John >Kerry may delay accepting the >nomination until several weeks after the convention, >I haven't, so far, heard anyone in the >media mention the fact that the candidate's >acceptance speech at a political convention is >actually a recent innovation, begun by Franklin D. Roosevelt. > >Before that, the candidates didn't even come to the >convention. The convention would >appoint a committee to go and inform the candidate of his nomination and ask if he would >accept. >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > Speaking of that, another "tradition" long-forgotten was the practice in the early years of the Republic of disseminating the "State of the Union" speech via messenger, rather than outright oratory before a joint session of Congress. Do you think if JFK (the hockey-playing one) IS elected, he'll opt to revert to this custom too? That will free radio and TV from having to cover it. (The last sentence added to make this post "on-topic". ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon May 24 18:53:38 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon May 24 18:53:44 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination References: <40B1456A.3347.4BDC30@localhost> Message-ID: <002001c441e1$f42af700$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: Accepting the Nomination > I suppose the failure of the media to put this in historical perspective may be partly due to > the fact that nobody at the media knows their history. But I would have thought the print > media, at least, would do some research. The history is irrelevant to the story. The story is about campaign finance and trying to game the system for political advantage. There was no public funding of Presidential campaigns back in the times that you are talking about. Including such info in stories would simply muddy the story and distract from the central issue. Parties used to actually pick their nominees at conventions and that is also no longer the case. That history also has little to do with the current news. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon May 24 20:04:15 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon May 24 20:04:20 2004 Subject: Hank Dole Message-ID: <000701c441eb$d1a9c260$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> >From NERW: Entercom has reportedly hired Hank Dole (late of WZBA Baltimore and KHHL Leander-Austin TX) as PD of WNSA (107.7 Wethersfield). Does anyone know if this is the same Hank Dole that was PD of WCLZ back in the mid-1980's? He was my first boss in radio. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 25 01:32:00 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 25 01:31:35 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <000401c4416e$3e894cd0$b5433c18@Sean> References: <40B1456A.3347.4BDC30@localhost> Message-ID: <40B2A210.14473.93BE14@localhost> On 24 May 2004 at 5:05, Sean Smyth wrote: > What I've heard no one else mention, other than Tim Russert on Meet the > Press, is the fact that if Kerry doesn't accept the nomination the event > pretty much loses all its newsworthy value; apparently Republicans have > said they will demand equal time of "political rallies" if that's the > case. I don't see why the event would lose its newsworthy value. Since no decisions are made at the political conventions anyway, and press coverage has consequently been diminished from what it used to be, I don't really see what the difference is. Kerry will still, apparently, make a speech, but will just not utter the words "I accept your nomination." For that matter, there is precedent for that, too. John F. Kennedy was nominated on a Wednesday evening. Acceptance speeches were scheduled for Friday. Kennedy came to the convention on Thursday, before the vice presidential balloting, arrived at the rostrum, and said, "Under the rules of this convention, I cannot give you an answer to your nomination until tomorrow evening. But I think you know what that anwer will be." And just what is different about the Republican convention? Does it become anything more than a big political rally, just because Bush says the words "I accept your nomination"? Back in 1964, we all knew that LBJ was going to be the Democratic nominee, but there was at least some suspense at the convention because LBJ didn't announce his choice for vice president until Thursday evening. He, too, incidentally, addressed the convention the day before his acceptance speech, to announce his choice of "Senator 'ubert 'umphrey of Minnesota" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 25 01:32:00 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 25 01:31:40 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40B2A210.9787.93BE8B@localhost> On 24 May 2004 at 16:40, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Speaking of that, another "tradition" long-forgotten > was the practice in the early years of the Republic > of disseminating the "State of the Union" speech > via messenger, rather than outright oratory before > a joint session of Congress. That went both ways. Washington and Adams delivered their addresses to a joint session of Congress. Jefferson started sending it in writing because he thought the oral address smacked of the King's Speech from the Throne at the opening of Parliament. I forget whether the oral delivery was revived by Wilson or Roosevelt. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 25 01:32:00 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 25 01:31:43 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <002001c441e1$f42af700$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <40B2A210.21372.93BEF0@localhost> On 24 May 2004 at 18:53, Dan Billings wrote: > The history is irrelevant to the story. The story is about campaign > finance and trying to game the system for political advantage. There was > no public funding of Presidential campaigns back in the times that you are > talking about. Including such info in stories would simply muddy the > story and distract from the central issue. Parties used to actually pick > their nominees at conventions and that is also no longer the case. That > history also has little to do with the current news. Both parties game the system in whatever way they can. The Republicans gamed the system by choosing a date in late August, so that Bush would have more time to spend unrestricted funds. The Democrats, expecting the nomination fight to last longer, gamed the system by choosing an earlier convention to give the nominee more time to unify the party, which is no longer necessary. Absolutely no news happens at either political convention. Both conventions are nothing more than political rallies. The magic words "I accept your nomination" don't make it any different. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@03038.com Tue May 25 09:51:56 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue May 25 09:49:27 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <40B2A210.21372.93BEF0@localhost> Message-ID: <00e601c4425f$bb096d20$0e87fea9@q0002> Which makes all the more a crime what the DNC is doing to Boston for the Convention (Party of the working people my a**!) Also a Yankee-Red Sox thing here too...Putting aside which party is in Boston and which is in NYC, it does make Bosotn look like a third-rate city because we have to close everything off, where that does not seem to be an issue in NYC. If we hadn't sold Ruth in '19, we wouldn't be closing down 93 in Medford today! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:32 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org; Dan Billings Subject: Re: Accepting the Nomination On 24 May 2004 at 18:53, Dan Billings wrote: > The history is irrelevant to the story. The story is about campaign > finance and trying to game the system for political advantage. There was > no public funding of Presidential campaigns back in the times that you are > talking about. Including such info in stories would simply muddy the > story and distract from the central issue. Parties used to actually pick > their nominees at conventions and that is also no longer the case. That > history also has little to do with the current news. Both parties game the system in whatever way they can. The Republicans gamed the system by choosing a date in late August, so that Bush would have more time to spend unrestricted funds. The Democrats, expecting the nomination fight to last longer, gamed the system by choosing an earlier convention to give the nominee more time to unify the party, which is no longer necessary. Absolutely no news happens at either political convention. Both conventions are nothing more than political rallies. The magic words "I accept your nomination" don't make it any different. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue May 25 12:01:36 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue May 25 12:01:46 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination Message-ID: <200405251601.MAA10018@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:51:56 +0000, "Paul Hopfgarten" wrote: > Which makes all the more a crime what the DNC is doing to Boston for the > Convention (Party of the working people my a**!) > > Also a Yankee-Red Sox thing here too...Putting aside which party is in > Boston and which is in NYC, it does make Bosotn look like a third-rate city > because we have to close everything off, where that does not seem to be an > issue in NYC. > > If we hadn't sold Ruth in '19, we wouldn't be closing down 93 in Medford > today! > I know your tongue was firmly planted in-cheek but there is a great deal of truth to the New York inferiority complex we have around here. People can't seem to accept the fact that New York is what it is, and so is Boston; it affects everything from (ObMedia) electronic and print news coverage (see the New York Post North, er, the Boston Herald) to the DNC. From billo@shoreham.net Tue May 25 15:38:58 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue May 25 15:39:03 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <40B2A210.14473.93BE14@localhost> Message-ID: <000601c4428f$ed5650b0$0100007f@boneill> > And just what is different about the Republican convention? > Does it become anything more > than a big political rally, just because Bush says the words > "I accept your nomination"?\ This supports that neither event's cache can hold a candle of those of yore. Rallying the party, energizing the machines, that is pretty much left up to people far better heeled than the wide-eyed who would converge among the placards. Kerry's holding-off seems too glaring in its strategerie.... Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue May 25 18:43:42 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue May 25 18:43:46 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination References: <40B2A210.21372.93BEF0@localhost> Message-ID: <002401c442a9$bb3c1640$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; "Dan Billings" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:32 AM Subject: Re: Accepting the Nomination > Both parties game the system in whatever way they can. I wasn't debating that, just pointing out that I thought there was no reason for the media to focus on the history that you suggested in the context of this story. The Democrats actually picked the early date because Gore was out of money in the spring of 2000 so when the date was set they were hoping to avoid that happening this year. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 25 22:12:36 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 25 22:12:09 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <002401c442a9$bb3c1640$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <40B3C4D4.20213.3F01A5@localhost> On 25 May 2004 at 18:43, Dan Billings wrote: > I wasn't debating that, just pointing out that I thought there was no > reason for the media to focus on the history that you suggested in the > context of this story. But there is reason, if only to put the discussion in context. > The Democrats actually picked the early date because Gore was out of money > in the spring of 2000 so when the date was set they were hoping to avoid > that happening this year. Probably more likely they picked the date because since 1964, the party out of power has held its convention in July, and the party in power has held its convention in August. Before that, in 1956 and 1960, both conventions were held in July, but the party out of power still had their convention first. I'm not sure why, but that's been the long-standing custom. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue May 25 22:12:36 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue May 25 22:12:12 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <000601c4428f$ed5650b0$0100007f@boneill> References: <40B2A210.14473.93BE14@localhost> Message-ID: <40B3C4D4.8182.3F0204@localhost> On 25 May 2004 at 15:38, Bill O'Neill wrote: > This supports that neither event's cache can hold a candle of those of > yore. Rallying the party, energizing the machines, that is pretty much > left up to people far better heeled than the wide-eyed who would converge > among the placards. Kerry's holding-off seems too glaring in its > strategerie.... One other thing that should be pointed out is that Kerry has so far made no decision on whether or not he will hold off on accepting the nomination. It's just one of a number of options under discussion. Now, if the final decision is for Kerry to accept the nomination at the convention after all, they'll accuse Kerry of waffling. Moral: It doesn't pay to be open about your decision process. Be secretive and not tell anyone anything. Or else, don't consider multiple options and scenarios, just go off half-cocked and be stubborn, like Boy George. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Wed May 26 08:06:54 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed May 26 08:06:52 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <40B3C4D4.8182.3F0204@localhost> References: <40B2A210.14473.93BE14@localhost> <40B3C4D4.8182.3F0204@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040526080453.01ba3730@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Now, if the final decision is for Kerry to accept the nomination at the >convention after all, >they'll accuse Kerry of waffling. Moral: It doesn't pay to be open about >your decision >process. Be secretive and not tell anyone anything. Or else, don't >consider multiple options >and scenarios, just go off half-cocked and be stubborn, like Boy George. Let's face it, our choice in November is betweenTweedledee or Tweedledum. To make this thread somewhat on topic, let's start a write in campaign for Arnie Ginsburg. From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed May 26 09:15:17 2004 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed May 26 09:15:21 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 May 2004 08:06:54 EDT." <6.0.3.0.0.20040526080453.01ba3730@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200405261315.i4QDFHuo005992@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> >[...] To make this thread somewhat on topic, let's start a write in >campaign for Arnie Ginsburg. I can hear the campaign slogan now: "A Ginsburger on every plate!" (But where to make them? Adventure Car Hop is long gone...) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros@mit.edu From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed May 26 11:54:58 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed May 26 11:55:17 2004 Subject: Accepting the Nomination In-Reply-To: <40B3C4D4.8182.3F0204@localhost> References: <40B2A210.14473.93BE14@localhost> <000601c4428f$ed5650b0$0100007f@boneill> <40B3C4D4.8182.3F0204@localhost> Message-ID: <200405261554.i4QFswvH051775@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Let's keep the discussion on-topic, please. -GAWollman From hmadjid@yahoo.com Wed May 26 16:41:54 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Wed May 26 16:42:08 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? Message-ID: <20040526204154.30798.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> In today's (Wed 5/26/04) Boston Metro (the strap-hanger's favorite periodical), John Molori reports in his weekly column that WWZN - arguably the Titanic of the Boston airwaves - is looking to restructure its Celtics broadcast contract (WWZN pays the Cs 2 million a year according to Molori). Molori also reports that Celtics broadcast producer Howie Sylvester has been given is walking papers. I guess 1510 can't afford to pay the man! Molori also writes that unless ex Celtic color commentator Cedric Maxwell agrees to a reduced pay package, Max might not be back for the up coming season. There is the real possibility, according to Molori that Sean Grande will do the the games solo this next season. According to Molori,WWZN cut Grande's pay in half. Molori, also repeats the oft - heard rumor that Eddie Andelman might be interested in buying the station. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From lglavin@lycos.com Wed May 26 16:54:11 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed May 26 16:54:35 2004 Subject: WSNH-AM Simulcasting WBZ-TV, I Mean CBS4 News Message-ID: This was mentioned on the Boston board at radio-info.com, but since this site is the Boston radio board of record (kind of like the NY Times Sr.), I bring it up now: WSNH-AM 900 in Nashua has been simulcasting the 6:00 pm news seen on WBZ-TV, aka CBS4, for a while now. I sampled it yesterday (05/25), and it's a direct rebroadcast of the programming one would see and hear on channel 4 itself, commercials and all. Curious minds want to know if the folks at 1170 SFR offered it to various stations, and WSNH was the first to agree, or if AM 900 suggested it to the station. Also, will it be the first step in a move away from recordings by WSNH toward something else? Remember, they're on AirAmerica's list of possible future affiliates. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed May 26 17:12:33 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed May 26 17:12:41 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? Message-ID: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:41:54, Hakim Madjid wrote: > There is the real possibility, according to Molori > that Sean Grande will do the the games solo this next > season. According to Molori,WWZN cut Grande's pay in > half. Grande was involved in WWZN programming decisions and he may no longer be -- that might explain the compensation reduction. And there's nothing worse than listening to solo play-by-play, unless Vin Scully is in the booth. > Molori, also repeats the oft - heard rumor that Eddie > Andelman might be interested in buying the station. If Eddie wishes to take a bath on the station, I wish him all the luck in the world. Apparently he's a pretty wealthy man through his real-estate dealings, Phantom Gourmet, etc., so maybe he needs a major-league (pun intended) write-off. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed May 26 17:15:04 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed May 26 17:15:12 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> References: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <200405262115.i4QLF4Wn054041@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > If Eddie wishes to take a bath on the station, I wish him all the luck in the > world. Apparently he's a pretty wealthy man through his real-estate dealings, > Phantom Gourmet, etc., so maybe he needs a major-league (pun intended) > write-off. One thing the history of that station proves: in big-market radio, there's always a greater fool. -GAWollman From lglavin@lycos.com Wed May 26 17:48:41 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed May 26 17:49:00 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town Message-ID: All-access.com reports that John (Johnny we hardly knew ye)Batchelor will be replaced on Saturday nights from 10:00 pm to midnight on WRKO by Jay Diamond. The New York message board likens this guy to some radio megastars including Jean Shepherd...impossible! A few asked if WRKO could be picked up at night in The Apple...well, at night Hopkinton, which we all know is exactly 26.2 miles from downtown Boston, is outside of AM 680's coverage area! Sorry New Yorkers, unless WRKO is available through some streaming site, fahgeddaboudit. I have no recollection of ever hearing this guy, but they say he's a perfect fit for the Saturday night left-wing lineup WRKO presents Saturday nights. The report indicated he'll begin this Saturday, May 29th in the midst of a holiday weekend. Hope he can vamp for a while without calls. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From fox893@yahoo.com Wed May 26 17:56:39 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed May 26 17:56:46 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Not sure about coverage in NYC, but I do know that I can get WRKO here in Conway, NH. We're about 3 hours North of Boston. > A few asked if WRKO could be picked up at night in > The Apple...well, at night Hopkinton, which we all > know > is exactly 26.2 miles from downtown Boston, is > outside > of AM 680's coverage area! Sorry New Yorkers, unless > WRKO > is available through some streaming site, > fahgeddaboudit. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed May 26 18:05:25 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed May 26 18:05:28 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200405262205.i4QM5Pvl054375@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Not sure about coverage in NYC, but I do know that I > can get WRKO here in Conway, NH. We're about 3 hours > North of Boston. That's where the signal goes. Remember, the 680 facility was originally built for WLAW Lawrence. -GAWollman From paul@03038.com Wed May 26 18:40:39 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed May 26 18:36:35 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c44372$8fab08a0$0e87fea9@q0002> I find as I drive North on 93 from Derry to Concord, no loss of signal on WRKO, but make that Westerly swing on I-89 and the signal goes fairly quickly (the PA and Toronto signals begin to battle). -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry to Contoocook Connection -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Cooper Fox Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 5:57 PM To: lglavin@lycos.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: New "Jay" in Town Not sure about coverage in NYC, but I do know that I can get WRKO here in Conway, NH. We're about 3 hours North of Boston. > A few asked if WRKO could be picked up at night in > The Apple...well, at night Hopkinton, which we all > know > is exactly 26.2 miles from downtown Boston, is > outside > of AM 680's coverage area! Sorry New Yorkers, unless > WRKO > is available through some streaming site, > fahgeddaboudit. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed May 26 18:56:50 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed May 26 18:57:08 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> References: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040526185414.01fd5e60@pop.gis.net> Too bad my Dad would not buy a business for me. All Andelmen all the time. >If Eddie wishes to take a bath on the station, I wish him all the luck in the >world. Apparently he's a pretty wealthy man through his real-estate dealings, >Phantom Gourmet, etc., so maybe he needs a major-league (pun intended) >write-off. From steveord@bit-net.com Wed May 26 19:54:03 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed May 26 19:54:00 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040526195226.01b89ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Cooper Fox wrote: >Not sure about coverage in NYC, but I do know that I >can get WRKO here in Conway, NH. We're about 3 hours >North of Boston. WRKO's night pattern has a pretty deep null to the west, protecting (I beleive) CFTR. In the 70s I worked in Littleton (Mass) and WRKO was all but inaudible when they were on their night pattern. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed May 26 21:53:36 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed May 26 21:53:44 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <200405262205.i4QM5Pvl054375@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20040527015336.86025.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> --- Garrett Wollman wrote: > That's where the signal goes. Remember, the 680 > facility was > originally built for WLAW Lawrence. Isn't it amazing that we are still living with decisions that were made back in the 30's 40's & 50's? (I believe WLAW went on the air originally in 1937 or '39.) Sometimes I wonder if it would be more efficient to 'clear the landscape' somewhow, and start again. Looking at this business as an outsider, it would be amazing that facilities are limited to decisions that were made so long ago. I understand how it all came about that way....but whenever WRKO fades out when I am driving west...I think about how odd this is. When I am driving North and WTTT fade out before I even get to 128....I think about how odd this is. $.02 JP ===== Joe Pappalardo joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed May 26 23:38:40 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed May 26 23:38:45 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town References: <20040527015336.86025.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c4439c$1a628580$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Pappalardo" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Cooper Fox" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: New "Jay" in Town > Sometimes I wonder if it would be more efficient to > 'clear the landscape' somewhow, and start again. That would have been a crazy suggestion even 20 years ago, but with so many stations owned by so few companies today, it might be possible. The product would have to be the result of negotiations but it could be done. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu May 27 01:45:07 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu May 27 01:44:38 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <40B54823.16035.7AB276@localhost> On 26 May 2004 at 17:12, Sean Smyth wrote: > If Eddie wishes to take a bath on the station, I wish him all the luck in > the world. Taking a bath on the radio? Is that allowed in this post-Janet-Jackson world? Or will there be FCC fines? ;-> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu May 27 01:45:08 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu May 27 01:44:49 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <000801c4439c$1a628580$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <40B54824.29473.7AB406@localhost> On 26 May 2004 at 23:38, Dan Billings wrote: > That would have been a crazy suggestion even 20 years ago, but with so > many stations owned by so few companies today, it might be possible. The > product would have to be the result of negotiations but it could be done. Unfortunately, the few remaining stations owned by small owners, like WJIB, would probably get the short end of the stick. But if starting over is what is desired, why not do it by adopting the digital radio standards of the rest of the world, give every station a channel on the digital band, and stop this IBOC foolishness? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Thu May 27 08:01:12 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu May 27 08:01:10 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <40B54824.29473.7AB406@localhost> References: <000801c4439c$1a628580$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <40B54824.29473.7AB406@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040527075805.01b7aec0@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >But if starting over is what is desired, why not do it by adopting the >digital radio standards of >the rest of the world, give every station a channel on the digital band, >and stop this IBOC >foolishness? First of all, the band being used in Europe for DAB is used by the military here, and they don't want to give it up. Also, a new band might actually result in all stations having equal power/coverage. That wouldn't sit well with the owners of the big signals. It would make a lot more sense to do it this way, which is why we'll probably never see it. Sigh. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 27 08:30:33 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu May 27 08:34:27 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town References: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040526195226.01b89ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <003d01c443e6$e60d8000$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Any protection of CFTR by WRKO is coincidental--the result of a pattern designed to protect other stations (mostly ONE other station 3000 miles away). CFTR is something like 40 years newer on 680 than is WRKO--when you include (as you must) WRKO's predecessors, WLAW and WNAC. WRKO's night pattern was designed to protect KNBR (then, KPO) and WPTF. All of the other 680s in the US and Canada are newer. As for WRKO's night pattern being an anachronism from the days when the station was licensed to Lawrence, I suppose you might think of it that way, but, aside from WBZ, no AM has a pattern or coverage better suited to this market. Not only does 850 not have the coverage of New Hampshire that 680 has, it also doesn't cover Cape Cod nearly as well, thanks to the fact that the 850 signal reaches the Cape over rocky New England soil and the 680 signal gets there via a path that is at least 2/3 salt water. Entercom should move 850 to the greatly superior 680 site. Due to the greater electrical spacing of the towers at 850, WEEI's patterns would be slightly narrower versions of WRKO's. Besides the cost (probably well north of $1 million, but ultimately defrayed by the proceeeds from selling the Needham site and not having to pay real estate taxes on it), the only downside of such a move that I can think of is a poorer night signal in (affluent) towns, such as Needham, Wellesley, Weston, and Wayland. Rumor has it that the poorer signal in the western suburbs at night was what deterred ARS from making such a move back when it owned 680 and 850. Or maybe the Town of Burlington refused to allow any digging at the site, which sits atop the town water supply. Digging would be required to install additional transmission lines, which would probably be necessary for the diplexed operation. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: SteveOrdinetz To: Cooper Fox ; Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: New "Jay" in Town > WRKO's night pattern has a pretty deep null to the west, protecting (I > beleive) CFTR. In the 70s I worked in Littleton (Mass) and WRKO was all > but inaudible when they were on their night pattern. > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 27 11:26:52 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 27 11:26:57 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040526195226.01b89ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040526195226.01b89ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200405271526.i4RFQq9h059175@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > WRKO's night pattern has a pretty deep null to the west, protecting (I > beleive) CFTR. WRKO is much older than CFTR. WRKO's night pattern is complementary to WPTF's, which is the dominant eastern station on the channel. (680 is an old I-B channel.) -GAWollman From hmadjid@yahoo.com Thu May 27 12:42:12 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Thu May 27 12:42:14 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405262112.RAA04761@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20040527164212.43183.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > If Eddie wishes to take a bath on the station, I > wish him all the luck in the > world. Apparently he's a pretty wealthy man through > his real-estate dealings, > Phantom Gourmet, etc., so maybe he needs a > major-league (pun intended) > write-off. Actually the WWZN situation probably could work out. As commentators, such as John Molori and Mark Shneyder have written, any existing or new ownership at 1510 would have to devote substantial financial resources to the station (for talent and promotion...etc). Also, IMHO, if the figures that have been posted on various on-line forums are true - that of a $25,000 per month lease ($300,000 per anum) for the transmitter/tower site in that Belmont/Waltham town line office park - that transmitter / tower facility has to be moved to less expensive digs. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu May 27 13:05:50 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu May 27 13:05:59 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? Message-ID: <200405271705.NAA06900@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 27 May 2004 09:42:12, Hakim Madjid wrote: > Actually the WWZN situation probably could work out. > As commentators, such as John Molori and Mark Shneyder > have written, any existing or new ownership at 1510 > would have to devote substantial financial resources > to the station (for talent and promotion...etc). > > Also, IMHO, if the figures that have been posted on > various on-line forums are true - that of a $25,000 > per month lease ($300,000 per anum) for the > transmitter/tower site in that Belmont/Waltham town > line office park - that transmitter / tower facility > has to be moved to less expensive digs. The problem is, as Dan Strassberg has explained before, that there is nowhere that would be suitable to move the transmitter site to without filing for a major change -- and who knows when another major change window will open up. The only place 1510 could move to, retain an OK signal over the metro area and potentially chop down on the rent would be the 1120 site in Concord. When I asked on this list about that, Dan told me a COL change to somewhere like Belmont or Lexington would probably be needed. Also, I don't think the 1150/1470 site would work; even if it did the short-spacing between 1470 and 1510 could be problematic, from what engineering people like Dan have said regarding other similar projects. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 27 13:15:35 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 27 13:15:45 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405271705.NAA06900@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> References: <200405271705.NAA06900@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <200405271715.i4RHFZQ7059681@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The only place 1510 could move to, retain an OK signal over the metro area and > potentially chop down on the rent would be the 1120 site in Concord. When I > asked on this list about that, Dan told me a COL change to somewhere like > Belmont or Lexington would probably be needed. I think that this is predicated on remaining at 50 kW-U DA-2. If a new owner gave up on the idea of 50 kW-N operation, some alternative sites would seem to be feasible. -GAWollman From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu May 27 13:24:39 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu May 27 13:24:44 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? Message-ID: <200405271724.NAA09620@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:15:35, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I think that this is predicated on remaining at 50 kW-U DA-2. If a > new owner gave up on the idea of 50 kW-N operation, some alternative > sites would seem to be feasible. How much power would they be able to run ND at night, let's say, without infringing on WLAC's protected skywave contour? Aren't they pretty close to the fringes of said contour already? If they could somehow run 5 kW-ND at night from somewhere, plenty of sites would seem feasible -- maybe even the WRCA site, if/when the WUNR/WRCA proposed site goes through. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 27 14:22:49 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 27 14:22:58 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405271724.NAA09620@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> References: <200405271724.NAA09620@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <200405271822.i4RIMn9d060039@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > How much power would they be able to run ND at night, let's say, without > infringing on WLAC's protected skywave contour? Aren't they pretty close to the > fringes of said contour already? Probably not much, ND. However, there are a number of sites around the area where a broader directional pattern (at lower power) would, I think, be feasible, with a two- or three-tower array that's already standing. If it weren't for the presence of 1600 itself, the 1600 site in Newton would probably be ideal in terms of what the pattern would need to look like. The 850 site in Needham could probably be made to work as well (but those towers are much too tall for 1510 -- about 0.9 wavelength -- and it's probably not practical to put up more towers, never mind the competitive issue). Other sites would work if the Canadians could somehow be perusaded to agree that 1510 in Sherbrooke really is dead and gone and won't be coming back. > If they could somehow run 5 kW-ND at night from somewhere, plenty of > sites would seem feasible -- maybe even the WRCA site, if/when the > WUNR/WRCA proposed site goes through. I think Charles River wants those towers gone.... -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 27 14:29:25 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 27 14:29:28 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <20040527015336.86025.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200405262205.i4QM5Pvl054375@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20040527015336.86025.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200405271829.i4RITP14060109@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Isn't it amazing that we are still living with > decisions that were made back in the 30's 40's & 50's? > (I believe WLAW went on the air originally in 1937 or > '39.) No more amazing than that we are living with the property lines that were drawn back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. > Sometimes I wonder if it would be more efficient to > 'clear the landscape' somewhow, and start again. Yes, it would be much more efficient. The entrenched financial interests would not permit it to happen. (Even though an FCC license officially disclaims being any sort of property, the regulatory regime has been moving more and more in that direction, and I expect at some point the disclaimer will fail the "quack test".) -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu May 27 15:28:08 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu May 27 15:28:25 2004 Subject: Providence Arbitrons? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040527152724.02fa54d8@pop.registeredsite.com> If any of you have access to a recent Providence Arbitron, could you contact me off-list? I have a question about a couple of stations for an article I am working on. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 27 15:47:36 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu May 27 15:48:50 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? References: <200405271724.NAA09620@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> <200405271822.i4RIMn9d060039@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001001c44423$959c2940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> If (a) Entercom were to move 850 to Burlington, which may or may not be possible as I explained in a post earlier today, but--if possible--would generally improve 850's signal in a big way in most of the market (except for such places as Needham, Wellesley, Weston, and Wayland), and if (b) Entercom were to retain ownership of the Needham site but offer to lease it to other AMs, it's possible that a number of stations' problems could be solved in a way that would be profitable for their owners and for Entercom. It would work like this: (1) WUNR would stay put in Oak Hill with no change in facilities. 1510 and 1600 are probably too close in frequency for a diplex. The frequency difference is 5.6% of the higher frequency. There are other diplexes in this range, and one involves directional stations (1370 and 1500 in San Jose), but the percentage difference in that case, 8.67%, is 55% greater. Also, WUNR has proposed running 20 kW from reduced height towers at its current site. There is some question about whether this power would work for WUNR from Needham because Needham is farther from inner-city Boston than is Oak Hill, so the move might be countrproductive to WUNR's goal of increasing its signal in its primary target market. (2) What is now the WEEI site would become the new site of WKOX, WRCA, and WWZN. The existing towers would come down and would be replaced by shorter ones--probably more than three. WWZN would have to try to get Canada to relinquish the long-unused 1510 allocation in Sherbrooke QC. There are precedents for Canada's relinquishing unused (but still technically usable) AM allocations. One such case is the sacrifice of unbuilt 1160 in North Bay ON to allow a nighttime power increase by WYLL Chicago, but you can probably count all such cases on the fingers of one hand. So I wouldn't rate the chances as good. However, unless Sherbrooke can go, the 850 site is too far south to allow 1510 to cover the full market at night--even with 50 kW from half-wave towers. Still, for a big rent reduction, maybe saying goodbye to listeners north of the Charles River at sunset would be a decent tradeoff for WWZN. And for WKOX, maybe if the alternative is never getting a "full-market" signal on the air, CCU wouldn't mind paying rent to Entercom. For Entercom, the rationale would be a form of participation (via the rent payments it would receive) in the profits of the other stations. There are many, many ifs in the above proposal--probably WAY too many for it ever to happen. But despite its low probaility, it looks to me like the best way to upgrade a large number of AM signals in this area. Of course, the propensity of Nimby's to unholster their guns and shoot themselves in the temple could easily come into play here as it has elsewhere in greater Boston. At both the WKOX and WUNR sites, Nimby's have killed proposals that would have replaced tall illuminated towers with a larger number of short unilluminated ones. This proposal also calls for replacement of tall illuminated towers with a presumably larger number of towers that might be short enough that they wouldn't require illumination. So you can't even be confident that this proposal could get past the Nimby hurdle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Sean Smyth Cc: Boston Radio Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? > < said: > > > How much power would they be able to run ND at night, let's say, without > > infringing on WLAC's protected skywave contour? Aren't they pretty close to the > > fringes of said contour already? > > Probably not much, ND. However, there are a number of sites around > the area where a broader directional pattern (at lower power) would, I > think, be feasible, with a two- or three-tower array that's already > standing. If it weren't for the presence of 1600 itself, the 1600 > site in Newton would probably be ideal in terms of what the pattern > would need to look like. The 850 site in Needham could probably be > made to work as well (but those towers are much too tall for 1510 -- > about 0.9 wavelength -- and it's probably not practical to put up more > towers, never mind the competitive issue). Other sites would work if > the Canadians could somehow be perusaded to agree that 1510 in > Sherbrooke really is dead and gone and won't be coming back. > > > If they could somehow run 5 kW-ND at night from somewhere, plenty of > > sites would seem feasible -- maybe even the WRCA site, if/when the > > WUNR/WRCA proposed site goes through. > > I think Charles River wants those towers gone.... > > -GAWollman > From lglavin@lycos.com Thu May 27 16:42:56 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu May 27 16:43:13 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:29:25 >From: Garrett Wollman > >Yes, it would be much more efficient. The entrenched financial >interests would not permit it to happen. (Even though an FCC license >officially disclaims being any sort of property, the regulatory regime >has been moving more and more in that direction, and I expect at some >point the disclaimer will fail the "quack test".) > >-GAWollman > > Isn't the planned move of WWVA, Wheeling WV to north central Ohio an example of this? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu May 27 16:51:16 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu May 27 16:51:35 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:22:49 >From: Garrett Wollman >To: "Sean Smyth" >Cc: Boston Radio interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> >< said> >> If they could somehow run 5 kW-ND at night from somewhere, plenty of >> sites would seem feasible -- maybe even the WRCA site, if/when the >> WUNR/WRCA proposed site goes through. > >I think Charles River wants those towers gone.... > >-GAWollman > > If you've ever been there, you probably noticed that those two towers impinge greatly on the parking lot of an office park (a lot like the WWZN towers come to think of it); the people who work there are probably nervous about thunderboomers such as we experienced this past Monday being attracted by all that metal pointing skyward. And one of the towers has fallen down already. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:52:04 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu May 27 16:52:08 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200405272052.i4RKq43U061030@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Isn't the planned move of WWVA, Wheeling WV to north > central Ohio an example of this? No. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Thu May 27 16:57:53 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu May 27 16:58:04 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <001001c44423$959c2940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <200405271724.NAA09620@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> <001001c44423$959c2940$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1085691477.117E2CC@s5.dngr.org> Not that this is related in anyway but I am in Chicago this week and Infinity owned WSCR will start using SportingNews Radio overnight instead of Fox Sports. (Sporting News is daytime only in Chicago) and WSCR is clear channel ( the former WMAQ ) From billo@shoreham.net Thu May 27 17:10:55 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu May 27 17:11:20 2004 Subject: 30 Minutes in Boston? Message-ID: <000401c4442f$1ae5dc80$0300a8c0@boneill> Reading that the soon to be (forced) retired 60 Minutes producer Don Hewett will be starting new "ditto shows" across major markets with CBS O&Os. San Francisco will be the first city to roll-out the project. Wonder if it will land on WBZ, oops, I mean CBS4? Reminiscent of Westinghouse's "Evening Magazine" in Boston that spawned numerous "PM Magazine" incarnations. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Thu May 27 17:19:23 2004 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu May 27 17:24:24 2004 Subject: Heads Up For "Frontline" Message-ID: <20040527211923.7EA9A1F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> This is a brief "heads-up" for "Frontline" on area PBS stations the next few days (In Boston, on channel 2 tonight, May 27th at 9:00 pm). The subject will be the perilous state of the recording industry. A Globe writer who previewed the show said that little time was given to the downloading problem, but comments were made about restricted radio airplay. As usual, check local listings or the 'Net for showings in your area. Laurence Glavin -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Thu May 27 18:20:50 2004 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Thu May 27 18:20:58 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <20040526215639.63663.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040527222050.42100.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> During my commutes to "The Peak" in N. Conway I used to remember 1510 coming in like gang busters at night. Too bad the mom and pop tractor dealers there couldn't afford to buy time on that flame thrower. Roy Lawrence San Francisco, CA --- Cooper Fox wrote: > > > Not sure about coverage in NYC, but I do know that I > can get WRKO here in Conway, NH. We're about 3 > hours > North of Boston. > > > > A few asked if WRKO could be picked up at night in > > The Apple...well, at night Hopkinton, which we all > > know > > is exactly 26.2 miles from downtown Boston, is > > outside > > of AM 680's coverage area! Sorry New Yorkers, > unless > > WRKO > > is available through some streaming site, > > fahgeddaboudit. > > > ===== > Magic 104 > North Conway, NH > V: (603)356-8870 > F: (603)356-8875 > Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com > Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu May 27 18:43:16 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu May 27 18:43:21 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town References: <200405262205.i4QM5Pvl054375@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><20040527015336.86025.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> <200405271829.i4RITP14060109@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c4443c$005bcfc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Joseph Pappalardo" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: New "Jay" in Town > No more amazing than that we are living with the property lines that > were drawn back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Property lines change all the time. Lots are merged, subdived, zoning changed, ect. on a daily basis. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu May 27 20:56:55 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu May 27 20:56:59 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <1085691477.117E2CC@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000001c4444e$ac4509c0$b5433c18@Sean> Kevin writes: > Not that this is related in anyway but I am in Chicago this week and > Infinity owned WSCR will start using SportingNews Radio overnight > instead of Fox Sports. (Sporting News is daytime only in Chicago) and > WSCR is clear channel ( the former WMAQ ) WXYT (1270 Detroit), another Infinity all-sports station, has been using Sporting News for a while now. From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Thu May 27 22:30:52 2004 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Thu May 27 22:31:03 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <000801c4439c$1a628580$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20040528023052.14933.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> It would surely encourage the big guys to buy everything out. Even the micro-powered stations to clear the negotiation hurdles developed by the few last independently owned stations. I could see them eliminating any stations not fitting the final scheme of the suits and ties. Guess Mr. Microphone is an option, assuming Clear Channel doesn't buy stock in that too.:) Roy Lawrence San Francisco, CA --- Dan Billings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Pappalardo" > > To: "Garrett Wollman" > ; "Cooper Fox" > > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: New "Jay" in Town > > > > Sometimes I wonder if it would be more efficient > to > > 'clear the landscape' somewhow, and start again. > > That would have been a crazy suggestion even 20 > years ago, but with so many > stations owned by so few companies today, it might > be possible. The product > would have to be the result of negotiations but it > could be done. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Thu May 27 22:39:19 2004 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Thu May 27 22:39:27 2004 Subject: WBNC-AM 1050 Conway Message-ID: <20040528023919.20623.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone put to rest a rumor I heard about WBNC/1050 in Conway being silenced? Perhaps Cooper Fox might be able to answer this? Someone about a month or so ago told me it was off the air one day while driving through Mount Washington Valley. I figured maybe transmitter issues. Thanks, Roy Lawrence San Francisco, CA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri May 28 00:27:09 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri May 28 00:26:34 2004 Subject: New "Jay" in Town In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040527075805.01b7aec0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <40B54824.29473.7AB406@localhost> Message-ID: <40B6875D.12457.871D2D@localhost> On 27 May 2004 at 8:01, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > First of all, the band being used in Europe for DAB is used by the > military here, and they don't want to give it up. Also, a new band might > actually result in all stations having equal power/coverage. That > wouldn't sit well with the owners of the big signals. But if it were really possible for the three or four owners of all the stations to get together and agree on something, why would it matter? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From fox893@yahoo.com Fri May 28 05:57:21 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri May 28 05:57:42 2004 Subject: WBNC-AM 1050 Conway In-Reply-To: <20040528023919.20623.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040528095721.25640.qmail@web61108.mail.yahoo.com> We were off the air for a short time while the new tower was built. Back to simulcasting WVMJ-FM(Magic 104), now. How close was your friend to the area? What time of day was it? WBNC-AM is a daytimer. --- Roy Lawrence wrote: > Can anyone put to rest a rumor I heard about > WBNC/1050 > in Conway being silenced? Perhaps Cooper Fox might > be > able to answer this? Someone about a month or so ago > told me it was off the air one day while driving > through Mount Washington Valley. I figured maybe > transmitter issues. > > Thanks, > Roy Lawrence > San Francisco, CA > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From hmadjid@yahoo.com Fri May 28 13:26:29 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Fri May 28 13:26:33 2004 Subject: WWZN to restructure Celtics rights? In-Reply-To: <200405271705.NAA06900@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20040528172629.38922.qmail@web80001.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2004 09:42:12, Hakim Madjid wrote: > > Actually the WWZN situation probably could work > out. > > As commentators, such as John Molori and Mark > Shneyder > > have written, any existing or new ownership at > 1510 > > would have to devote substantial financial > resources > > to the station (for talent and promotion...etc). --- Sean Smyth wrote: > The problem is, as Dan Strassberg has explained > before, that there is nowhere > that would be suitable to move the transmitter site > to without filing for a > major change -- and who knows when another major > change window will open up. I don't disagree with you. It might be complicated for 1510 to obtain permission from the Friendly Candy Company to move to another site. But as has been pointed out on this list, maybe with reduced nighttime power, and / or a different directional pattern, there might be a number of possibitities. However, IMHO,1510 has to bite the bullet and get rid of that financial Albatross. No doubt, if indeed they pay $25,000 per month for that site, it is probably giving potential buyers of the station second thoughts. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Fri May 28 20:58:14 2004 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Fri May 28 20:58:26 2004 Subject: WBNC-AM 1050 Conway In-Reply-To: <20040528095721.25640.qmail@web61108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040529005814.59326.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Cooper, Thanks for the prompt reply! My friend was in the area of the factory outlets during an early weekday afternoon, when he discovered the absent signal. Glad to hear WBNC-AM is alive and well! I would have been surprised if Ron Frizell, understanding his passion for radio, shutting that down. Is there any signal broadcasting from the site of the old farm house or has that all been decommissioned and property sold? Roy Lawrence --- Cooper Fox wrote: > > We were off the air for a short time while the new > tower was built. Back to simulcasting WVMJ-FM(Magic > 104), now. > > > How close was your friend to the area? What time of > day was it? WBNC-AM is a daytimer. > > > --- Roy Lawrence wrote: > > Can anyone put to rest a rumor I heard about > > WBNC/1050 > > in Conway being silenced? Perhaps Cooper Fox might > > be > > able to answer this? Someone about a month or so > ago > > told me it was off the air one day while driving > > through Mount Washington Valley. I figured maybe > > transmitter issues. > > > > Thanks, > > Roy Lawrence > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri May 28 22:16:13 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri May 28 22:16:09 2004 Subject: Anybody Up Late Saturday Nite/Sunday Morning? Message-ID: <200405282216.AA1392509104@mail.ttlc.net> One of my favorite artists "Epiphora" is being interviewed Sunday Morning 1:00 am on the Jordan Rich Show. I'd like to have a tape of this interview, but AM interference here in Fremont, NH makes listening a real chore. Anybody willing and available to roll tape? It's supposed to be from 1:00 to 1:30. (but you know how those things go) I'd be more than happy to re-imburse for media & postage. Thanks, Roger From tklaundry@juno.com Sat May 29 14:10:21 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Sat May 29 14:12:12 2004 Subject: On the Media Message-ID: <20040529.111101.17416.126331@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> OTM returns to WBUR Sundays at 2pm beginning May 30 dave From hmadjid@yahoo.com Sat May 29 14:44:52 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sat May 29 14:44:54 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column Message-ID: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> In this past Friday's Boston Globe, Bill Griffith, in his 'SporTView' column also writes about the 1510 / Celtics situation. However there are no revelations in the Griffith column, that weren't already written by Molori. Suffice it to say, however, if I were the Celtics, I would seriously consider exercising my escape clause, given that 1510 can't devote the proper resources to game broadcasts (i.e pre and post game show cutbacks and so on). That combined with 1510s night time signal coverage. Griffith does bring up the possibility of the Cs moving to WEEI or BZ (of course these respective stations would have to find a sister outlet in the event of Sox or Bruins conflicts). I don't know, perhaps 96.9 would be interested in picking up the Cs rights? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From lglavin@lycos.com Sat May 29 14:48:09 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat May 29 14:48:22 2004 Subject: Fwd: On the Media Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:10:21 >From: "Dave Faneuf" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >OTM returns to WBUR Sundays at 2pm beginning May 30 >dave Good news for Boston-area listeners. I can pick it up on WEVO-FM Concord, NH at 10:00 am Sundays. I think I mentioned last summer that I attended a free open-house at WBUR featuring free eats and beer (they just had one last Thursday I believe). While I was there, I had a conversation with a person described as the program director, George Beelzebub, or whatever. I mentioned to him that I enjoyed "OtM" very much, and although I could hear it on NHPR, Boston area listeners were missing a good show. He said that "OtM" didn't measure up to WBUR's standards; I almost spit up my Sam Adams...a show produced by WNYC-FM, on which A-list individuals from the NY Times, Time, Newsweek, Washington Post, BBC, the Boston Radio Interest Group (ok I made that last one up) regularly appeared NOT UP TO WBUR STANDARDS? A few months ago I became aware that the "Savvy Traveler" was going out of production, and posted here that "OtM" would be a good fit with the rerun of "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me"; in fact today (05/29) Bob Garfield appeared on "WWDTM" in his position as an editor of Advertising Age. (Peter Segal called Bob the HOST of "OtM"; he's the CO-HOST with Brooke Gladstone). Two PM Sundays may not be the best time, but it's good to have it back in Boston... and if I meet up with this George the PD again (and how much power does he have anyway) I'll remind him gently that I made this suggestion in 2003. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat May 29 16:36:56 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat May 29 16:35:34 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> > Suffice it to say, however, if I were the Celtics, I > would seriously consider exercising my escape clause, Here'a a thought. What if the Celtics *bought* WWZN? They could do all sorts of cross promotions for WWZN within the Fleet Center...on programs, etc. It would give some legitamcy to the station, wouldn't it? ...as opposed to "out of town" (absentee?) landlords. I would think the Celtics need all the promotion and positive ink(sound) they can garner. The Celtics being on WWZN isn't such a bad idea...especially if they 'fill-it-in'. with some surrounding stations. WPLM? (Remember when the Bruins were on 1150AM and WPLM? Not a bad fit, metro and suburbs, AM & FM, etc.) What would be a good fill-in-the gap station for (WWZN and) the Celtics games? How about WCRN? WXLO? to the West? WCAP or WNNW(800AM) to the North? WCTK, WJFD....maybe WBET...and of course WPLM to the South. Would this be such a bad investment for the Celtics? cross-promotion, etc. (Didn't the Celtics own part of WEEI at one time?) $.02 From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat May 29 18:14:16 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat May 29 18:14:19 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> Message-ID: <000301c445ca$4819feb0$b5433c18@Sean> Joseph Pappalardo writes: > Here'a a thought. > > What if the Celtics *bought* WWZN? Supposedly the Sox ownership group was interested in buying a radio station at one point. Besides, the old Celtics regime already had a not-so-successful run at owning a radio signal, leading into... > (Didn't the Celtics own part of WEEI at one time?) They owned the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel when it was at 590. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat May 29 19:20:59 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat May 29 19:21:04 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c445d3$9a1a7e20$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakim Madjid" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column > Griffith does bring up the possibility of the Cs > moving to WEEI or BZ It seems to me that WEEI would be an obvious choice. The Celtics would give the stations local play by play 12 months a year, without a huge number of conflicts. There are enough stations under common ownership with WEEI to find a place for the conflicting games. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From markwats@comcast.net Sat May 29 19:28:43 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat May 29 19:28:08 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> Message-ID: <003001c445d4$b1f6eeb0$64f88018@markscomputer> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > What would be a good fill-in-the gap station for (WWZN and) the Celtics > games? > > How about WCRN? WXLO? to the West? I thought WORC (1310 Worcester) carried the Celtics, unless they dumped them. Then WCRN (830 Worcester) would be the one to get them. I can't see WXLO (104.5 Fitchburg) cutting into their Hot AC format to pick up the games. > WCAP or WNNW(800AM) to the North? WCAP (980 Lowell) may have some schedule conflicts with Lowell Lock Monsters hockey if they were to join the Celtics network, so they wouldn't be able to clear all the games. WNNW (800 Lawrence) probably wouldn't drop the Spanish music to carry the games either. I do believe that WCCM (1490 Haverhill) carried most of the Celtics games this past season, except on nights when local High School sports or Merrimack College hockey broadcasts conflicted with Celtics games. Mark Watson From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat May 29 19:38:19 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat May 29 19:38:22 2004 Subject: Monty's back, sort of Message-ID: <000001c445d6$0628c6b0$b5433c18@Sean> Bob Montgomery, the former Sox color commentator on Channel 38 all those years back, popped up on CN8's broadcast of the Reading-Bowie AA minor league game tonight. Apparently he's working a number of games for CN8 this summer, as well as doing several Paw Sox games on COX3 in Rhode Island. Anyone know if he's been doing anything else since he left the Sox gig? From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat May 29 20:37:35 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat May 29 20:36:05 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com><003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> <003001c445d4$b1f6eeb0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <00a101c445de$4f0b1880$1404fea9@xyz> > > What would be a good fill-in-the gap station for (WWZN and) the Celtics > > games? > I thought WORC (1310 Worcester) carried the Celtics, unless they dumped > them. Then WCRN (830 Worcester) would be the one to get them. The thing about WWZN's signal to the West at night...is it starts to dissappear in Framingham. WORC doesn't reach East into Framingahm...esp at night. WCRN does pretty well. > I can't see > WXLO (104.5 Fitchburg) cutting into their Hot AC format to pick up the > games. Well, if it made financial sense, I think they would. I don't think they are so ratings oriented that they couldn't run some games in the evening or weekends. I think the added spot revenue might be an enticement. They could definitely charge more for the spots if they are in the Celtics game...that if they were playing just another hour of 'Hot AC' with a teenage DJ. > > WCAP or WNNW(800AM) to the North? > > WCAP (980 Lowell) may have some schedule conflicts with Lowell Lock > Monsters hockey > WNNW (800 Lawrence) probably wouldn't drop the Spanish music to carry the > games either. To the North, you would need something that covers the entire Merrimack Valley...from Greater Lowell all the way to the Shore. The better signals up that way are WCAP and WNNW(800AM). WCCM(1490) doesn't get much past I-93 at night. I can't imagine WNNW(800AM) is making more during nights and weekends with the Spanish format...than they would running Celtics games. WNNW has a teenage kid playing hip-hop in Spanish (or something similar) at night. I can't imagien the revenues would preclude them from running a game. If WCAP had a conflict with the Lowell Lock Monsters and the Celtics...which would they pick? ;-) Answer: The one that brings in the most money. From hmadjid@yahoo.com Sun May 30 11:13:21 2004 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sun May 30 11:13:24 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column Message-ID: <20040530151321.56335.qmail@web80005.mail.yahoo.com> Here'a a thought. > > What if the Celtics *bought* WWZN? Sure that might work. As I've said the only problem is that exorbitant transmitter site lease, and the night - time signal. As you mention, a fill-in type of situation would help. Then again, what if the Celtics bought WTKK? It might be a sounder business proposition. > They could do all sorts of cross promotions for WWZN > within the Fleet > Center...on programs, etc. Agreed. > It would give some legitimacy to the station, > wouldn't it? ...as opposed to > "out of town" (absentee?) landlords. It's probably not so much the out of town landlords (let's face it most of the major stations in Boston are owned by the major media conglomerates none of which are head quartered here) as that WWZN's owners happen to be in dire straights financially. >(Didn't the Celtics own part of WEEI at one time?) Yes in the late 1980s IIRC, The Celts bought WEEI (on 590 at the time) outright, for much the same reasons you outline in your post. Prior to the Cetlics ownership it was owned by the couple who founded the Papa Ginos chain, and prior to that it was under CBS ownership ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sun May 30 11:35:39 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sun May 30 11:35:07 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040530151321.56335.qmail@web80005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c4465b$ec50c0e0$1404fea9@xyz> > Here'a a thought. > > > > What if the Celtics *bought* WWZN? > > Sure that might work. As I've said the only problem is > that exorbitant transmitter site lease, and the night > - time signal. > > As you mention, a fill-in type of situation would > help. > > Then again, what if the Celtics bought WTKK? It might > be a sounder business proposition. Someone else mentioned they should/could buy 850AM. However, I think the price for WWZN would be the steal-of-the century. Anyone care to guess what WWZN would sel for? (Compared to a full-signal FM-WTKK...or 850AM with their recent ratings sucess.) From lglavin@lycos.com Sun May 30 15:20:30 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun May 30 15:20:56 2004 Subject: Today's LTAR: KRTS, Seabrook TX (Houston Market) Message-ID: During today's LTAR (05/30 @ 11:00 am), Bob brought up the sale of currently-classical KRTS, licensed to Seabrook, TX, but considered part of the Greater Houston ADI. He mentioned the sharp increase in the value of the station, even with low ratings and a ranking well below the top 10 in town. I've studied KRTS a bit and there's a story with this station. It's at 92.1, one of those frequencies formerly limited to 6KW @ 328-feet. That restriction pertains around here: WBOT, Brockton; WBOQ, Gloucester; and WHRB, Cambridge won't be raising their wattage antime soon, in fact probably never. The 98.3 in Laconia, NH and 100.9 in Westbrook, ME are somewhat more powerful, but in Texas, KRTS hit the jackpot, a class C operation with 100,000 watts. With that kind of signal, it became a very ripe plum for some conglomerate, even though the transmitter is about 33 miles south of the city. To compare, WKLB-FM 99.5 is about 30 mile NNW of Boston with 30 KW at 666 (gasp!) feet, but is still a factor in Boston. The Hoston board on radio-info.com says that a 92.3 north of Houston impinges on the signal a bit. But this signal upgrade probably accounts for the big uptick in the station's valuation. I've perused their playlist, and they're an OK classical station, a little less sophisticated than Seattle's KING-FM, but way better that WCRB, Washington's WGMS and San Francisco's KDFC. The Houston non-comm will have to do better to match it. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun May 30 21:43:28 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun May 30 21:43:13 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <000301c445ca$4819feb0$b5433c18@Sean> References: <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> Message-ID: <40BA5580.16878.76FD4E@localhost> On 29 May 2004 at 18:14, Sean Smyth wrote: > > (Didn't the Celtics own part of WEEI at one time?) > > They owned the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel when it was at 590. I've always wondered why they sold it. It seemed to me that owning Boston's sports station was a natural for them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From DonKelley@aol.com Sun May 30 22:24:32 2004 From: DonKelley@aol.com (DonKelley@aol.com) Date: Sun May 30 22:24:47 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column Message-ID: <15D70B5E.6D35B4F0.0238A7FB@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/2004 11:13:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hmadjid@yahoo.com writes: > It's probably not so much the out of town landlords > (let's face it most of the major stations in Boston > are owned by the major media conglomerates none of > which are head quartered here) as that WWZN's owners > happen to be in dire straights financially. Why did the Celtics sell WEEI? They realized that they're not broadcasters and didn't know how to run a radio station. In point of fact, Of the top 15 stations in Boston only two are Owned by Clear Channel. Five are owned by Infinity, two are owned by Entercom. That's nine. As far as local ownership goes, five are owned by Greater Media, based in Braintree; one is owned by Charles River Broadcasting, based in Waltham. The problems are threefold: 1) Basketball is not a good radio sport. Neither is hockey. There are not enough natural pauses for descrpitive surposes. Baseball and football are excellent radio sports. 2) The Celtics ain't what they used to be. The team that sold out 500 straight games at the Garden is a memory. 3) No matter what you put on 1510AM it won't do well. Awful signal, and it's on the wrong end of the wrong band. As Bruce Springsteen said in My Hometown..."seems like there ain't nobody wants to go down here no more." From steveord@bit-net.com Sat May 29 20:22:53 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon May 31 08:36:58 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040529201823.01aeec48@pop3.bit-net.com> Hakim Madjid wrote: >Griffith does bring up the possibility of the Cs >moving to WEEI or BZ (of course these respective >stations would have to find a sister outlet in the >event of Sox or Bruins conflicts). > >I don't know, perhaps 96.9 would be interested in >picking up the Cs rights? Realistically, I wonder how much interest there is in carrying the Celts. Unlike the Sox or Pats, the Celtics don't charge affiliates anything to carry the games. I don't think they have more than a handful of affiliates anyway. Is there precedent anywhere for a major league team NOT having radio covverage? From paul@03038.com Mon May 31 09:02:01 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon May 31 09:00:09 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <40BA5580.16878.76FD4E@localhost> Message-ID: <00c001c4470f$e0063040$0e87fea9@q0002> Let's face, 'EEI was NOT the ratings powerhouse at 590 it is today at 850. Now, had 'EEI been at 850 then and the Celtics owned it...I think they might still own it today.. I (BTW) agree with the 96.9 theory of future homes for the Celtics. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:43 PM To: 'Joseph Pappalardo'; 'Boston Radio'; Sean Smyth Subject: RE: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column On 29 May 2004 at 18:14, Sean Smyth wrote: > > (Didn't the Celtics own part of WEEI at one time?) > > They owned the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel when it was at 590. I've always wondered why they sold it. It seemed to me that owning Boston's sports station was a natural for them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@03038.com Mon May 31 09:03:37 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon May 31 09:00:13 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <15D70B5E.6D35B4F0.0238A7FB@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c101c4470f$e28ba2a0$0e87fea9@q0002> Whoa...I thought GM was NJ-based...??? -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of DonKelley@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:25 PM To: hmadjid@yahoo.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In a message dated 5/30/2004 11:13:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hmadjid@yahoo.com writes: > It's probably not so much the out of town landlords > (let's face it most of the major stations in Boston > are owned by the major media conglomerates none of > which are head quartered here) as that WWZN's owners > happen to be in dire straights financially. Why did the Celtics sell WEEI? They realized that they're not broadcasters and didn't know how to run a radio station. In point of fact, Of the top 15 stations in Boston only two are Owned by Clear Channel. Five are owned by Infinity, two are owned by Entercom. That's nine. As far as local ownership goes, five are owned by Greater Media, based in Braintree; one is owned by Charles River Broadcasting, based in Waltham. The problems are threefold: 1) Basketball is not a good radio sport. Neither is hockey. There are not enough natural pauses for descrpitive surposes. Baseball and football are excellent radio sports. 2) The Celtics ain't what they used to be. The team that sold out 500 straight games at the Garden is a memory. 3) No matter what you put on 1510AM it won't do well. Awful signal, and it's on the wrong end of the wrong band. As Bruce Springsteen said in My Hometown..."seems like there ain't nobody wants to go down here no more." From mlaurence@mindspring.com Mon May 31 09:01:59 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon May 31 09:02:05 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040529201823.01aeec48@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, May 29, 2004, at 08:22 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Realistically, I wonder how much interest there is in carrying the > Celts. Unlike the Sox or Pats, the Celtics don't charge affiliates > anything to carry the games. I don't think they have more than a > handful of affiliates anyway. Is there precedent anywhere for a major > league team NOT having radio covverage? In Montreal there were several years where there was no TV coverage and no English radio for the Montreal Expos. I think there was a period where there was no French radio either, so there was no live coverage of Expos games at all. Now there is cable TV coverage of 25 away games on a network that's not seen in the city of Montreal, and there is radio coverage in both English and French. Mark From ssmyth@psu.edu Mon May 31 09:49:27 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon May 31 09:49:31 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <00c101c4470f$e28ba2a0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <000001c44716$17cc63e0$b5433c18@Sean> Paul writes: > I thought GM was NJ-based...??? In recent years they sold off some if not all of the New Jersey stations near their headquarters (Brunswick?), and subsequent to that the headquarters moved to Boston. I couldn't tell you if Move A was connected to Move B, however. From DonKelley@aol.com Mon May 31 10:46:32 2004 From: DonKelley@aol.com (DonKelley@aol.com) Date: Mon May 31 10:46:47 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column Message-ID: <250B4942.1C3EE704.0238A7FB@aol.com> In a message dated 5/31/2004 9:49:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmyth@psu.edu writes: > > > Paul writes: > > I thought GM was NJ-based...??? > > In recent years they sold off some if not all of the New Jersey stations > near their headquarters (Brunswick?), and subsequent to that the > headquarters moved to Boston. I couldn't tell you if Move A > was connected to > Move B, however. Greater Media has not sold any of the New Jersey stations. WMGQ and WCTC/New Brunswick have been in the family for over 25 years, and in the 90's five more NJ stations were acquired. The company started in Southbridge, MA. Corporate HQ was in East Brunswick, NJ for a number of years but moved back to Massachusetts about five years ago. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon May 31 14:36:55 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon May 31 14:36:58 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <00a101c445de$4f0b1880$1404fea9@xyz> References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> <003001c445d4$b1f6eeb0$64f88018@markscomputer> <00a101c445de$4f0b1880$1404fea9@xyz> Message-ID: <200405311836.i4VIatZm090654@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The thing about WWZN's signal to the West at night...is it starts to > dissappear in Framingham. Starts?! It's already GONE in Framingham. > WORC doesn't reach East into Framingahm...esp at night. The only local AMs with a decent signal in Framingham at night are 850, 890, 1030, 1060, and 1200. I can't see any of these stations (with the exception of 850) being interested in running the Celtics, although presumably if the C's waved enough money in the Bleidts' faces they could lease time on 1060 (and likewise CCU for 1200). > WCRN does pretty well. I'd call it marginal. Better than any other Worcester AM, but not by much, especially when the adjacent-channel skywave heats up. > I think the added spot revenue might be an enticement. Not at the expense of their regular audience. If their audience flips over to Mix, they may not come back for a while. > To the North, you would need something that covers the entire Merrimack > Valley...from Greater Lowell all the way to the Shore. The better signals > up that way are WCAP and WNNW(800AM). WCCM(1490) doesn't get much past I-93 > at night. 800 is still a daytimer. I can't imagine any leased-time operator interested in blowing out a steady customer in favor of programming that would cost real money and would need to be well-sold (to a completely different audience from their normal listenership) in order to make any money. I could just barely imagine it if the C's were to lease the time. > If WCAP had a conflict with the Lowell Lock Monsters and the Celtics...which > would they pick? ;-) > Answer: The one that brings in the most money. Correct answer: the one that Mr. Cohen prefers to do business with. -GAWollman From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Mon May 31 17:00:44 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Mon May 31 16:59:20 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com><003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz><003001c445d4$b1f6eeb0$64f88018@markscomputer><00a101c445de$4f0b1880$1404fea9@xyz> <200405311836.i4VIatZm090654@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <009901c44752$5b82b6c0$1404fea9@xyz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" > Not at the expense of their regular audience. If their audience > flips over to Mix, they may not come back for a while. However, some of these are not ratings dependent stations...especially evenings and weekends. WBCN said the same thing about blowing off music programming for the Patriots. The patriots brings in more audience that any of their off-peak music (with a PT DJ) programming. (This was before their current championship fun.) > 800 is still a daytimer. No it's not. > I can't imagine any leased-time operator interested in blowing out a > steady customer Unless they have trouble actually leasing the time. > in favor of programming that would cost real money.. In the past, the flagship station has given the programming to the metro stations it needs to fill in reception for free. (As long as it carries the flagships spots.) > Correct answer: the one that Mr. Cohen prefers to do business with. Which is usually the one that brings in the most money. From steveord@bit-net.com Mon May 31 18:55:27 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon May 31 18:55:31 2004 Subject: WWZN / Celtics - Bill Griffith Column In-Reply-To: <009901c44752$5b82b6c0$1404fea9@xyz> References: <20040529184452.94758.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> <003e01c445bc$b552fee0$1404fea9@xyz> <003001c445d4$b1f6eeb0$64f88018@markscomputer> <00a101c445de$4f0b1880$1404fea9@xyz> <200405311836.i4VIatZm090654@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <009901c44752$5b82b6c0$1404fea9@xyz> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040531185249.01b752a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: >WBCN said the same thing about blowing off music programming for the >Patriots. > >The patriots brings in more audience that any of their off-peak music (with >a PT DJ) programming. Football & AOR are actually a pretty compatible mix. Both tend to appeal to an under 35 male audience. There are any number of AORs around the country that either carry or are flagship for NFL teams.