From radiotony@comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 22:20:57 2004
From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella)
Date: Tue Jun 22 22:21:00 2004
Subject: WSNH-AM 900 Removed From Air America List
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I don't know why WSNH would not pick it up.
Despite the money problems, it is clear that
AirAmerica is probably going to be around for
awhile. Talk America reportedly always had money
problems yet the smaller stations they serviced
never abandoned them over rumors. Frankly, they
needed the material.

Best,
Tony Schinella
radiotony@comcast.net
http://politizine.blogspot.com
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Subject: WSNH-AM 900 Removed From Air America List


> There's been a lot of talk about Air America
Radio, especially
> this week (the Wall St. Journal had a FRONT PAGE
story about the
> network's finances;  and the Arbitrends have
been fodder over
> Fodder's Day coincidentally on the New York
Message board.)
> So I checked out airamericaradio.com for any
Home Page
> comments (there were none), and then clicked on
the
> affiliate list.  Well, it appears that WSNH-AM
900
> in Nashua, NH has backed away from picking up
the
> network;  it's been deleted from the list
apparently
> along with a couple of other stations.  Alas no
chance to
> sample its wares around here except after dark
on AM 1190
> in NYC.  An interesting sidebar: Radio & Records
> reports that Al Franken has signed an extension
to his
> contract to do a midday show beyond the one year
already
> agreed to.
> -- 
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From radiotony@comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 22:32:00 2004
From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella)
Date: Tue Jun 22 22:32:02 2004
Subject: WSNH-AM 900 Removed From Air America List
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	<200406230230.i5N2UjYT061117@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <006401c460a5$eb8f6490$6400a8c0@tony>

But if they were looking to go to talk format, and
that is what Shaheen was rumored to be looking at,
then hey, why not go with it?

Best,
Tony Schinella
radiotony@comcast.net
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From: "Garrett Wollman"
<wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
To: "tony schinella" <radiotony@comcast.net>
Cc:
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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: WSNH-AM 900 Removed From Air America
List


> <<On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:20:57 -0400, "tony
schinella" <radiotony@comcast.net> said:
>
> > I don't know why WSNH would not pick it up.
[...]  Talk America
> > reportedly always had money problems yet the
smaller stations they
> > serviced never abandoned them over rumors.
Frankly, they needed the
> > material.
>
> But WSNH doesn't need the material.  They run an
automated oldies
> format.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 00:17:04 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Thu Jul  1 00:17:07 2004
Subject: Stern-On
In-Reply-To: <002501c45f07$024347b0$0200a8c0@boneill>
Message-ID: <005601c45f22$47110100$6400a8c0@AMD>

He's not going back on any CC stations. All of the stations he's going
on are owned by Infinity.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

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From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of Bill O'Neill
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:02 PM
To: Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)
Subject: Stern-On

I guess the "big announcement" on Stern this morning is that he will be
back on
CC and in other dropped markets.  Any other buzz on that?

Bill O'Neill



From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  1 00:24:57 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Jul  1 00:25:03 2004
Subject: A Horse is a Horse?
In-Reply-To: <s0e3138d.082@entbalhs1>
References: <s0e3138d.082@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040701002341.01e43d10@gwind.pair.com>

At 07:24 PM 6/30/2004, Sid Schweiger wrote:
> >>ISTR that it was Thyssen that manufactured the gas used in the gas 
> chambers.<<
>
>...among others.  I.G. Farben, the giant chemical company, made most of 
>the Zyklon-B gas that was used to murder Jews, Gypsies, etc.  Farben was 
>the parent company of Bayer (as in Bayer Aspirin).

Except that, as I recall, the German Bayer company ended up losing the 
rights to its own name in the US, didn't it? Or am I just thinking that 
they lost the trademark on Aspirin, which is still a brand name in some 
parts of the world?

-s (who doesn't need any stinkin' Milwaukee airchecks from our Moderator, 
anyway... ;-) 

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Jul  1 00:50:05 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Jul  1 00:50:02 2004
Subject: A Horse is a Horse?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040701002341.01e43d10@gwind.pair.com>
References: <s0e3138d.082@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <40E35FBD.24750.69A442@localhost>

On 1 Jul 2004 at 0:24, Scott Fybush wrote:

> Except that, as I recall, the German Bayer company ended up losing the
> rights to its own name in the US, didn't it? Or am I just thinking that
> they lost the trademark on Aspirin, which is still a brand name in some
> parts of the world?

Just the word Aspirin.  Bayer Aspirin is still a brand name. 

-- 
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 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Jul  2 11:33:21 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Jul  2 11:39:04 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
Message-ID: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>

On several occasions, Bob Bittner has mentioned that WalMart avoids
radio advertising almost entirely.  Its advertising consists of
mailings with sale items that include photos of everday people
rather than the models you see in advertising for other retailers.
It runs a fair amount of TV advertising, usually nothing more
than the Zorro-costumed smiley face "slashing" prices.
In a way, it says something that the most "successful" company
in America uses such unimaginative, and frankly low-grade advertising,
devoid of everything that advertising agencies claim you need to
stand out in the media clutter.  But Wal/Mart up to now it seemed
to regard radio as not even worth considering.  Of course this has hurt
small-market radio, because big-box superstores on the outskirts of
small cities can cause the closure of downtown business that are
seen as the bread-and-butter of small, standalone stations, or some
people claim.  Well now, WalMart appears to have had a change of heart
(if one can claim WalMart HAS a heart)...but not in a way one
would expect.  First, they began airing underwriting messages on 
NPR the network and some NPR stations.  This has resulted in
complaints to NPR itself by some listeners.  NPR claims no
underwriter influences its programming, and there was
evidence of that last weekend, when "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me"
made fun of the class action suit again Walmart early in the
program, then later read the underwriting message.  The 
underwriting messages on NPR do not promote the stores as a
place to buy good stuff cheap, but try to convey the
message that WalMart is a good neighbor and employer.  This
message has also been a part of a few spots for the
company on commercial radio, but I've only heard one
or two of those.   But, WalMart's clone, Sam's Club HAS been
running conventional spots that I've heard on several
occasions on WBZ and WRKO.  These are commercials that
promote Sam's Clubs as a place for small businesses to
buy supplies, in effect competing with Staples and other
big box office supply stores.  A shift in the WalMart
Corporation's attitude towards radio is unlikely to 
help the WCAP's or WJDA's of the world...as I mentioned,
I've only heard them on 50KW big-market stations.  But it's
possible that once again, the executives at WalMart jumped
on an opportunity, the radio advertising slump due to 
"commoditization of inventory", and moved in a new direction
for them.

Laurence Glavin
Metheuen, MA (where we have a rare small-box WalMart)
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Fri Jul  2 12:46:19 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri Jul  2 12:46:21 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <57783.216.204.15.170.1088786779.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com>

Laurence Glavin wrote...

> But Wal/Mart up to now it seemed
> to regard radio as not even worth considering.  Of course this has hurt
> small-market radio, because big-box superstores on the outskirts of
> small cities can cause the closure of downtown business that are
> seen as the bread-and-butter of small, standalone stations, or some
> people claim.  Well now, WalMart appears to have had a change of heart
> (if one can claim WalMart HAS a heart)...but not in a way one
> would expect.  First, they began airing underwriting messages on
> NPR the network and some NPR stations.

Not really local advertising, but they have been a sponsor of Paul Harvey
for several years now.  Always those "page 2" ads that are live reads.


From mamros@MIT.EDU  Fri Jul  2 13:37:32 2004
From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros)
Date: Fri Jul  2 13:37:35 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:46:19 EDT."
	<57783.216.204.15.170.1088786779.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> 
Message-ID: <200407021737.i62HbWih000611@all-night-tool.mit.edu>

>Not really local advertising, but they have been a sponsor of Paul Harvey
>for several years now.  Always those "page 2" ads that are live reads.

Also on the live reads right before "The Rest of the Story".  I've been
hearing him read WalMart spots ("you couldn't ask for a better neighbor")
for years now.  So it seems the old "WalMart doesn't advertise on radio"
slam is pure myth.  Or maybe it means the anti-WalMart crowd doesn't
listen to Paul Harvey. :-)

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu


From hinsdalien@yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 17:26:35 2004
From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett)
Date: Fri Jul  2 17:26:38 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20040702212635.72282.qmail@web14923.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Laurence Glavin <lglavin@lycos.com> wrote:
> ... This
> message has also been a part of a few spots for the
> company on commercial radio, but I've only heard one
> or two of those.   But, WalMart's clone, Sam's Club
> HAS been
> running conventional spots that I've heard on
> several
> occasions on WBZ and WRKO.  These are commercials
> that
> promote Sam's Clubs as a place for small businesses
> to
> buy supplies, in effect competing with Staples and
> other
> big box office supply stores.  A shift in the
> WalMart
> Corporation's attitude towards radio is unlikely to 
> help the WCAP's or WJDA's of the world...as I
> mentioned,
> I've only heard them on 50KW big-market stations. 
> But it's
> possible that once again, the executives at WalMart
> jumped
> on an opportunity, the radio advertising slump due
> to 
> "commoditization of inventory", and moved in a new
> direction
> for them.

They've been running recently on Jones Satellite
Networks as well as (I think) CNN Radio.  I'd be
willing to bet that most (if not all) of their radio
advertising budget is spent on the network level, as
opposed to buying time on individual stations.  More
"bang for their buck" as it were.

Doug Bassett
Brattleboro, VT




		
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Fri Jul  2 19:25:27 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri Jul  2 19:25:25 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <20040702212635.72282.qmail@web14923.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
	<20040702212635.72282.qmail@web14923.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040702192337.01be7f68@pop3.bit-net.com>

Doug Bassett wrote:
>They've been running recently on Jones Satellite
>Networks as well as (I think) CNN Radio.  I'd be
>willing to bet that most (if not all) of their radio
>advertising budget is spent on the network level, as
>opposed to buying time on individual stations.  More
>"bang for their buck" as it were.


As is the case with most national chains....Sears, JC Penney, 
TGIFridays...pretty much all network buys.  When you hear them on local 
stations they're either network make-goods or barter spots. 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Jul  2 20:57:56 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri Jul  2 20:58:01 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
References: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com><20040702212635.72282.qmail@web14923.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20040702192337.01be7f68@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <005401c46098$c765a780$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

The WalMart TV ads featuring successful women managers are interesting.
They are obviously in response to the suit alleging discrimination against
women who work for WalMart.

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From markwats@comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 23:20:46 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri Jul  2 23:20:56 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
References: <20040702153321.37EB8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com><20040702212635.72282.qmail@web14923.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20040702192337.01be7f68@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <001801c460ac$bbbd18f0$6f918318@Mark>

Steve Ordinetz wrote:

> As is the case with most national chains....Sears, JC Penney,
> TGIFridays...pretty much all network buys.  When you hear them on local
> stations they're either network make-goods or barter spots.

   Last weekend WCAP (980 Lowell) had live reports from the Lowell City Golf
Tournament, sponsored by a local bank and the local distributor of Michelob
beer. The beer spot that ran was not a WCAP produced spot, but an agency
produced spot, just like one you would hear on a network, no mention at the
end of the beer spot for the local distributor.  As far as I know, this was
the first time that the beer distributor has ever advertised on WCAP. The
only other time I recall hearing beer spots on WCAP was back in the 80's
when they were part of the Campbell Sports Network and picked up the Red Sox
and Bruins games.

Mark Watson


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul  3 11:55:07 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat Jul  3 11:55:13 2004
Subject: Green VP Candidate out at WEBB
Message-ID: <003d01c46116$1d22c810$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

The Bangor Daily News confirms today that Green Party Vice Presidential
candidate Pat Lamarche, who used the air name Jenny Judge as the co-host of
the morning show on Cumulus' Waterville/Augusta country station WEBB
(B-98.5), was fired due to her candidacy.


From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Sat Jul  3 19:46:04 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Sat Jul  3 19:46:17 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
Message-ID: <40E7453C.531F171D@Programmer.Net>

Attention all AM stereo aficionados:  WBZ-1.030 MHz AM is planning to
broadcast the 4th's Esplanade concert and fireworks in stereo--though,
given that it is night, which is outside of authorized transmission
time,
I doubt it will be IBOC stereo!  P=)

     ~Kaimbridge~

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From kvahey@tmail.com  Sat Jul  3 19:55:43 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat Jul  3 19:56:09 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <40E7453C.531F171D@Programmer.Net>
References: <40E7453C.531F171D@Programmer.Net>
Message-ID: <1088898948.86B3EC4@s29.dngr.org>

I hope WCRB will do it on FM




On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 7:53pm, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote:
> Attention all AM stereo aficionados:  WBZ-1.030 MHz AM is planning to
> broadcast the 4th's Esplanade concert and fireworks in stereo--though,
> given that it is night, which is outside of authorized transmission
> time,
> I doubt it will be IBOC stereo!  P=)
>
>      ~Kaimbridge~
>
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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jul  3 20:57:06 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat Jul  3 20:57:09 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <1088898948.86B3EC4@s29.dngr.org>
References: <40E7453C.531F171D@Programmer.Net>
	<1088898948.86B3EC4@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <200407040057.i640v6eu093529@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:55:43 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> said:

> I hope WCRB will do it on FM

WBZ is promoting it as an "exclusive".  In any case, WCRB can't be
heard on the Esplanade thanks to Pru overload on all but the best
receivers.  Last time I went, it was also on WERS.

-GAWollman

From kvahey@tmail.com  Sat Jul  3 21:01:19 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat Jul  3 21:01:39 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <200407040057.i640v6eu093529@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <40E7453C.531F171D@Programmer.Net>
	<200407040057.i640v6eu093529@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1088902884.9797AFD@w5.dngr.org>

My concern is the Cambridge side  no sound towers this year as Mugar 
cuts expenses because of no sponsor.

My walkman gets tv audio mono so


On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 8:57pm, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:55:43 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> 
> said:
>
>>  I hope WCRB will do it on FM
>
> WBZ is promoting it as an "exclusive".  In any case, WCRB can't be
> heard on the Esplanade thanks to Pru overload on all but the best
> receivers.  Last time I went, it was also on WERS.
>
> -GAWollman
From BARNABY601@webtv.net  Sun Jul  4 00:06:06 2004
From: BARNABY601@webtv.net (William Miller)
Date: Sun Jul  4 07:54:53 2004
Subject: Tom Ellis
Message-ID: <11547-40E7822E-4824@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>

I'm trying to locate Tom Ellis, who was a reporter for WBZ tv back in
the 70's. Does anyone have any contact info, or can you tell me anything
about him?
Barnaby601@webtv.net

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sun Jul  4 08:06:30 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun Jul  4 08:06:33 2004
Subject: Tom Ellis
In-Reply-To: <11547-40E7822E-4824@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>
References: <11547-40E7822E-4824@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <200407041206.i64C6Ul3098041@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:06:06 -0500, BARNABY601@webtv.net (William Miller) said:

> I'm trying to locate Tom Ellis, who was a reporter for WBZ tv back in
> the 70's. Does anyone have any contact info, or can you tell me anything
> about him?

Tom Ellis anchors for New England Cable News.

-GAWollman

From tommyg62@comcast.net  Sun Jul  4 14:15:51 2004
From: tommyg62@comcast.net (Tom Giarrosso)
Date: Sun Jul  4 14:16:03 2004
Subject: Tom Ellis
In-Reply-To: <11547-40E7822E-4824@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <HJEILHLEOINPIHOPIHGBCEHECEAA.tommyg62@comcast.net>

Tom was working last at NECN - I thought I saw him on air doing weekends. I
know I worked with him there a while back. He was anchoring the Sat. morning
shift I did.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Miller [mailto:BARNABY601@webtv.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:06 AM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Tom Ellis


I'm trying to locate Tom Ellis, who was a reporter for WBZ tv back in
the 70's. Does anyone have any contact info, or can you tell me anything
about him?
Barnaby601@webtv.net



From billo@shoreham.net  Sun Jul  4 15:41:03 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun Jul  4 15:52:39 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
In-Reply-To: <001801c460ac$bbbd18f0$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <00ab01c46200$6c2cbd90$0a521341@boneill>

ed
> on WCAP. The
> only other time I recall hearing beer spots on WCAP was back
> in the 80's
> when they were part of the Campbell Sports Network and picked
> up the Red Sox
> and Bruins games.
>
> Mark Watson

There actually were local buys on WCAP from the local A.B. distributor.  They
also bought local time on the Sox and Bruins locally.  Some were buys at the
head-end of the network.

Bill O'Neill

From tklaundry@juno.com  Sun Jul  4 17:18:39 2004
From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf)
Date: Sun Jul  4 17:21:22 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
Message-ID: <20040704.141926.12975.196122@webmail21.nyc.untd.com>


Nope, WCRB is NOT broadcasting the concert.  WBZ
is promoting that it WILL be broadcasting in AM Stereo.
dave

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Jul  4 19:59:06 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun Jul  4 19:58:45 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
In-Reply-To: <20040704.141926.12975.196122@webmail21.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c46222$e803a6a0$6400a8c0@AMD>

When is this supposed to start? They're still in mono right now.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Faneuf
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:19 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 


Nope, WCRB is NOT broadcasting the concert.  WBZ
is promoting that it WILL be broadcasting in AM Stereo.
dave



From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Jul  4 21:29:42 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun Jul  4 21:29:28 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
In-Reply-To: <20040704.141926.12975.196122@webmail21.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>

Well here it is 9:30 and WBZ has still not turned on the stereo. I guess
they figured they could trick people into thinking they were listening
in stereo.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Faneuf
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:19 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 


Nope, WCRB is NOT broadcasting the concert.  WBZ
is promoting that it WILL be broadcasting in AM Stereo.
dave



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Jul  4 23:55:17 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:21:30 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>
References: <20040704.141926.12975.196122@webmail21.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <40E898E5.31216.2D812D@localhost>

On 4 Jul 2004 at 21:29, Jeff Lehmann wrote:

> Well here it is 9:30 and WBZ has still not turned on the stereo. I guess
> they figured they could trick people into thinking they were listening in
> stereo.

Since almost nobody has an AM stereo receiver, they'r eprobably right. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Jul  4 23:55:18 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:21:57 2004
Subject: What station?
Message-ID: <40E898E6.19079.2D8248@localhost>

While driving in on Route 9 this evening through Natick and Wellesley, I heard some other 
station competing with WATD on 95.9, as I heard first one, then the other.  The other station 
was playing classical music -- so I switched to WHRB at 95.3 to see if it might be them 
spilling over somehow, and it wasn't.

Anyone know what station might have been playing classical music on Sunday evening 
around 10:30-11:00 somewhere around 95.9?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul  5 00:23:36 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:23:58 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
In-Reply-To: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>
References: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>
Message-ID: <1089001419.2E5D7B8D@r5.dngr.org>

They compounded things by being in delay for most of the concert.

Once again Boston viewers didn't see end of 1812 as WBZ4 needed to break 
away to join the net at 10.

No excuse for concert not being on FM.
Perfect fit for WODS or WZLX.

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 9:38pm, Jeff Lehmann wrote:
> Well here it is 9:30 and WBZ has still not turned on the stereo. I 
> guess
> they figured they could trick people into thinking they were listening
> in stereo.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Dave Faneuf
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:19 PM
> To: bri@bostonradio.org
> Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
>
>
> Nope, WCRB is NOT broadcasting the concert.  WBZ
> is promoting that it WILL be broadcasting in AM Stereo.
> dave
From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 00:30:13 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:29:53 2004
Subject: What station?
In-Reply-To: <40E898E6.19079.2D8248@localhost>
Message-ID: <002201c46248$ca1de260$6400a8c0@AMD>

That would be 95.9 WCRI Block Island, RI. They've been blasting through
WATD with the antenna pointed that way tonight here in Hanson (only 9
miles from WATD). 99.3 from Block Island has also been in like a local.
A few station from New York City are making the trip as well.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of A. Joseph Ross
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:55 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: What station?

While driving in on Route 9 this evening through Natick and Wellesley, I
heard some other 
station competing with WATD on 95.9, as I heard first one, then the
other.  The other station 
was playing classical music -- so I switched to WHRB at 95.3 to see if
it might be them 
spilling over somehow, and it wasn't.

Anyone know what station might have been playing classical music on
Sunday evening 
around 10:30-11:00 somewhere around 95.9?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503
http://www.attorneyross.com





From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Jul  5 00:42:12 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:42:22 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
References: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>
Message-ID: <008e01c4624a$70f346b0$6500a8c0@office>

I talked to one of the BZ techs yesterday who couldn't understand the whole
thing. He said they took the stereo exciter and generator out of the
transmitter chain last year when they were working on the system - they
couldn't go stereo if they wanted to.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo


> Well here it is 9:30 and WBZ has still not turned on the stereo. I guess
> they figured they could trick people into thinking they were listening
> in stereo.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of Dave Faneuf
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:19 PM
> To: bri@bostonradio.org
> Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
>
>
> Nope, WCRB is NOT broadcasting the concert.  WBZ
> is promoting that it WILL be broadcasting in AM Stereo.
> dave
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Jul  5 00:44:17 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon Jul  5 00:44:26 2004
Subject: What station?
In-Reply-To: <40E898E6.19079.2D8248@localhost>
References: <40E898E6.19079.2D8248@localhost>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040705004343.01e71670@gwind.pair.com>

At 11:55 PM 7/4/2004, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>While driving in on Route 9 this evening through Natick and Wellesley, I 
>heard some other
>station competing with WATD on 95.9, as I heard first one, then the 
>other.  The other station
>was playing classical music -- so I switched to WHRB at 95.3 to see if it 
>might be them
>spilling over somehow, and it wasn't.
>
>Anyone know what station might have been playing classical music on Sunday 
>evening
>around 10:30-11:00 somewhere around 95.9?

Sure - WCRI Block Island RI. They're owned by WCRB and carry WCRB-produced 
classical music, albeit not // WCRB.

s 

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Jul  5 07:40:18 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Mon Jul  5 07:41:14 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
Message-ID: <001301c46284$f767da00$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

While parked in my garage yesterday, I (just barely) heard a station on AM
1490. Oldies format, no commercials, no legal ID during the time I was
listening (which did not include TOH). Between each pair of songs, they
announced "Your hometown station, AM 1490," with no call letters. Maybe the
satellite service figured that there were so many AM 1490s--and none of them
very important--instead of recording station-specific positioners, they
could take care of a couple of dozen stations by recording
frequency-specific positioners. They probably did the same for the other
graveyard channels. But was this WCCM Haverhill or WMRC Milford? I was not
about to drive first to MetroWest and then to the far North Shore--a round
trip of at least 120 miles--to find out. In fact, I didn't stick it out
until the TOH to hear the legal. The programming got so boring that when
there was no BOH legal, I gave up and went inside the house, where no radio
can pick up this barely audible signal.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 07:53:43 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Jul  5 07:53:50 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
References: <001301c46284$f767da00$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <004d01c46286$b8f96bb0$6f918318@Mark>

Dan Strassberg wrote:


> While parked in my garage yesterday, I (just barely) heard a station on AM
> 1490. Oldies format, no commercials, no legal ID during the time I was
> listening (which did not include TOH). Between each pair of songs, they
> announced "Your hometown station, AM 1490," with no call letters.

     That was WCCM, 1490 Haverhill you heard. They run the bird feed 'Good
Time Oldies" format weekday afternoons after 4PM, and weekend nights after 5
or 6PM. I caught them for a few minutes driving home from Salisbury Beach
last night, and apparently on Sundays nights (this was about 11:30 when I
heard it, don't know what time this show starts) the birdffed includes
'Jukebox Sunday Night", which is a show of all pre-Beatles oldies.

Mark Watson


From brouder@juno.com  Mon Jul  5 09:01:36 2004
From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com)
Date: Mon Jul  5 09:03:28 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
Message-ID: <20040705.060203.2930.220537@webmail13.lax.untd.com>


A name from the past jumped off the page of today's Union Leader.  The Business Section had a short article on the retirement of former WBZ Radio sports talker Guy Mainella.  For the past 13 years he has been executive director at Souhegan Valley Resources in Amherst, NH.  The organization trains and employs people with disabilities.

It seems to me Guy spent several post-BZ years selling solar windows, or something like that, in Nashua.

Does any body know exactly when he started at BZ and what his previous radio background was?

Ed Brouder
Man From Mars Productions
(http://www.manfrommars.com)

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From xradioguy@yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 09:27:36 2004
From: xradioguy@yahoo.com (Ari Alpert)
Date: Mon Jul  5 09:27:58 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <001301c46284$f767da00$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <20040705132736.44616.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dan Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> snipped
and edited:
> "Your hometown station, AM 1490," with no
> call letters...  But was this WCCM Haverhill or
> WMRC Milford?

WMRC Milford is "Your home town station", even if they
don't bother tell you that Miford is the home town
from which the birdfeed is broadcast. They actually
are live and local a good percentage of the time
during weekdays and some weekend dayparts.

Ari


		
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Mon Jul  5 09:58:28 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon Jul  5 09:58:27 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <008e01c4624a$70f346b0$6500a8c0@office>
References: <001501c4622f$91cad2b0$6400a8c0@AMD>
	<008e01c4624a$70f346b0$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040705095738.01b5ba28@pop3.bit-net.com>

  gic wrote:
>I talked to one of the BZ techs yesterday who couldn't understand the whole
>thing. He said they took the stereo exciter and generator out of the
>transmitter chain last year when they were working on the system - they
>couldn't go stereo if they wanted to.


Guess the programming dept. didn't get the memo.


From news@southstation.org  Mon Jul  5 10:18:12 2004
From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering)
Date: Mon Jul  5 10:18:27 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040705095738.01b5ba28@pop3.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <20040705141816.IFDX5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@main>

 
 
----Original Message-----
From: SteveOrdinetz
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo

  gic wrote:
>I talked to one of the BZ techs yesterday who couldn't understand the 
>whole thing. He said they took the stereo exciter and generator out of 
>the transmitter chain last year when they were working on the system - 
>they couldn't go stereo if they wanted to.


>Guess the programming dept. didn't get the memo.

Yep, the programming department thought they still had that "Glorious
Stereo" system Jordan Rich kept talking about.

-Larry


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jul  5 11:18:14 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon Jul  5 11:18:43 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705111731.0287a9a0@pop.registeredsite.com>

Ed asked:  "Does any body know exactly when he started at BZ and what his 
previous radio background was?"  I know this, but I am out of town right 
now and not near my files-- will respond later tonight, assuming others 
haven't answered the question already! 


From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 12:08:06 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Mon Jul  5 12:11:14 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705111731.0287a9a0@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <08b201c462aa$a10d9200$1404fea9@xyz>

My understanding was that Guy was a newspaper/magazine reporter prior to
radio.  I bellieved he followed Fr. Groppi (sp?) around for awhile.

In the mid/late 70's I remember him doing the evening show and he focused on
sports.  (I don't know if it was actually a "sports talk" show...but it
seemed like whenever I tuned to him he was talking sports.  I remember the
jingle.  "The World of Guy Manil-la!"

Somewhere along the line Westinghouse wanted him to start to do more news
oriented talk...so he stopped doing any sports gabbing unless some caller
prodded him into it.  He tended to lean liberal in his viewpoints.

He went to WRKO when they finally switched to all talk...doing the eveing
"SportsCall" program 6-8PM.  (Gerry Williams would call him "Guy Vanilla")

I'm not sure if he replaced Bill O'Connell (former ch 7 and Ch 56
sportscaster)or if Bill O'Connell replaced him at WRKO.

I remember that O'Connell hosted the 'Sports Roundtable' at 6PM on WRKO for
awhile..which was a bunch of sports reporters yelling at each other.  ;-)
Bill O'Connel had a heart attack...and ended up doing something less
taxing...ie...WPLM.

Guy was an interesting and smart dude....(maybe too smart for what he was
doing?)

I'm not sure why he left radio...I seem to recall someone saying he was
'fed-up', etc.  Or maybe just wanted a slower pace...and spend some time
with his other ventures.

I know he went onto some energy savings product company (in Nashua?) after
that...something he may have had on the side while working his 2 hours shift
at WRKO.  ;-)  His son/daughter or something may have been invovled or
actually owned the company...not sure.




From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Mon Jul  5 12:41:53 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Mon Jul  5 12:40:55 2004
Subject: WalMart & Sam's Club On The Radio
Message-ID: <200407051241.AA1563689236@mail.ttlc.net>

"Laurence Glavin" 
>Its advertising consists of mailings with sale 
>items that include photos of everday people
>rather than the models you see in advertising for 
>other retailers.  

The models in Wal-Mart advertising are mostly employees of Wal-Mart (and/or members of their family).  The most notable exception being ladies' underwear.  Those appear to be unidentified professional models.


From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Mon Jul  5 12:44:53 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Mon Jul  5 12:43:55 2004
Subject: From Bud The Spud
Message-ID: <200407051244.AA2043084952@mail.ttlc.net>

Greetings,

Vacationing here on l'Ile du Prince Edward, I'd like to wish all the listers and lurkers here a Happy 4th of July.

Roger "720 CHTN, Charlottetown" Kirk
From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 14:35:41 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Jul  5 14:35:45 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705111731.0287a9a0@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<08b201c462aa$a10d9200$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <00f501c462be$dfe1ec10$6f918318@Mark>

 Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

> I'm not sure if he replaced Bill O'Connell (former ch 7 and Ch 56
> sportscaster)or if Bill O'Connell replaced him at WRKO.

    I don't recall if Bill O'Connell ever worked at Channel 7. I do remember
him doing weekend sports on both incarnations of Channel 5 (WHDH-TV & WCVB)
in the 70's. Also while at Channel 5 he also hosted a Saturday 1PM half hour
candlepin bowling show that aired after Don Gillis' long running "Candlepin
Bowling" show. I believe at one time it was titled "Junior Bowling"
featuring teen-aged bowlers competing. Later it became "Candlepin Super
Bowl" featuring 2 teams of 2 professional candlepin bowlers each going head
to head. I don't recall if O'Connell had left Channel 5 by the time the
title/format change in that show had taken place. When "Candlepin Bowling"
moved to 11:00 AM in the late 80's, "Super Bowl" was cancelled. I believe
Brian Leary (who was weekend sports, later anchor/reporter at WCVB before
leaving to change careers) replaced O'Connell as "Super Bowl" host, IIRC, Ed
Harding was the final host of "Super Bowl" when it ended it's run.

Joseph Pappalardo also wrote:

> Bill O'Connell had a heart attack...and ended up doing something less
> taxing...ie...WPLM.

    I believe he was working weekdays at WFCC (107.5 Chatam MA) and also
doing weekend sports at Channel 56 back in the late 80's or early 90's. IIRC
he had a heart attack in the WFCC studio one day during his airshift and was
revived by another station employee. He was out for a while recovering and I
believe he did briefly return to Channel 56 after his recovery. I don't
recall if he left 56 of his own accord or was fired. I believe he did end up
at WPLM either before or just about the time they were easing into the soft
AC format. Haven't heard him in several years, I'll guess he may be retired
now.

Mark Watson


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Jul  5 15:28:31 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Mon Jul  5 15:29:12 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
References: <20040705132736.44616.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002501c462c6$598128e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Thanks, guys, but now I have one vote for each station. Which leaves me
right where I started. I think I caught the phrase "good-time oldies" just
once in maybe a half-dozen breaks between records. Does that eliminate WMRC?
Or does "your hometown station" eliminate WCCM? My guess is that it might. I
really don't want to make that 120-mile round-trip to MetroWest and the
North Shore. And if both stations run the same satellite-delivered format,
even the long trip might not resolve the issue ;>(

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: Ari Alpert <xradioguy@yahoo.com>
To: Dan Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>; Boston Radio Interest
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: WCCM or WMRC


> --- Dan Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> snipped
> and edited:
> > "Your hometown station, AM 1490," with no
> > call letters...  But was this WCCM Haverhill or
> > WMRC Milford?
>
> WMRC Milford is "Your home town station", even if they
> don't bother tell you that Miford is the home town
> from which the birdfeed is broadcast. They actually
> are live and local a good percentage of the time
> during weekdays and some weekend dayparts.
>
> Ari

----- OTHER Original Message -----

     That was WCCM, 1490 Haverhill you heard. They run the bird feed 'Good
Time Oldies" format weekday afternoons after 4PM, and weekend nights after 5
or 6PM. I caught them for a few minutes driving home from Salisbury Beach
last night, and apparently on Sundays nights (this was about 11:30 when I
heard it, don't know what time this show starts) the birdffed includes
'Jukebox Sunday Night", which is a show of all pre-Beatles oldies.

Mark Watson


From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 15:37:39 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Jul  5 15:37:48 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
References: <20040705132736.44616.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
	<002501c462c6$598128e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <014001c462c7$881ea460$6f918318@Mark>

>. I think I caught the phrase "good-time oldies" just
> once in maybe a half-dozen breaks between records. Does that eliminate
WMRC?
> Or does "your hometown station" eliminate WCCM?

WCCM's liners for their birdfeed Oldies format always include "Your Hometown
Station, AM 1490."  Bruce Arnold also uses the " hometown station" slogan
during his live AM drive show. WMRC also calls themselves "Hometown Radio:,
but they also use from time to time "First Class Radio", and their birdfeed
format is not oldies, it's AC music. They also almost always include "WMRC"
in their birdfeed liners.

Mark Watson


From brouder@juno.com  Mon Jul  5 18:49:05 2004
From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com)
Date: Mon Jul  5 18:50:49 2004
Subject: Gregg Jensen on WBZ Radio
Message-ID: <20040705.154905.11329.225392@webmail16.lax.untd.com>


Several times recently I've heard a new news voice on WBZ - Gregg Jensen.  I believe he transferred from one of New York City's Infinity stations, WINS.  In the late 1980s or early 90s he did time at WGIR in Manchester, NH.

He has great pipes...you can tell he's a chip off the old block.  His dad, Leif Jensen, was the voice of Channel 7 and the Yankee Network for most of the 1960s.

Ed Brouder
Man from Mars Productions
http://www.manfrommars.com

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From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul  5 19:01:34 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul  5 19:01:47 2004
Subject: Gregg Jensen on WBZ Radio
In-Reply-To: <20040705.154905.11329.225392@webmail16.lax.untd.com>
References: <20040705.154905.11329.225392@webmail16.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1089068498.18F13017@w5.dngr.org>

Leif Jensen was one of the nicest human beings I have ever met. Is he 
still with us?

When WNAC moved to Bullfinch Place, we had this gawdawful Northern 
Electric switcher that cut off the announce booth. Leif NEVER 
complained.




On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 6:55pm, brouder@juno.com wrote:
>
> Several times recently I've heard a new news voice on WBZ - Gregg 
> Jensen.  I believe he transferred from one of New York City's Infinity 
> stations, WINS.  In the late 1980s or early 90s he did time at WGIR in 
> Manchester, NH.
>
> He has great pipes...you can tell he's a chip off the old block.  His 
> dad, Leif Jensen, was the voice of Channel 7 and the Yankee Network for 
> most of the 1960s.
>
> Ed Brouder
> Man from Mars Productions
> http://www.manfrommars.com
>
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Mon Jul  5 20:37:24 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon Jul  5 20:37:27 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <014001c462c7$881ea460$6f918318@Mark>
References: <20040705132736.44616.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
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	<014001c462c7$881ea460$6f918318@Mark>
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Mark Watson noted...
>
> WCCM's liners for their birdfeed Oldies format always include "Your
> Hometown Station, AM 1490."  Bruce Arnold also uses the " hometown
> station" slogan during his live AM drive show. WMRC also calls
> themselves "Hometown Radio

There seems to be a pattern here with graveyard channel AMs using the
"hometown radio" handle.  IIRC WIRY in Plattsburgh uses it too.  Any
others?


From RogerKola@aol.com  Mon Jul  5 20:40:48 2004
From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul  5 20:41:04 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
Message-ID: <74.3e6566e4.2e1b4f10@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/05/04 8:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
steveord@bit-net.com writes:

<< There seems to be a pattern here with graveyard channel AMs using the
 "hometown radio" handle.  IIRC WIRY in Plattsburgh uses it too.  Any
 others? >>

WBOQ 104.9 Beverly...hmmm...not AM....

Roger
From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Jul  5 21:10:28 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Mon Jul  5 21:10:34 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
References: <74.3e6566e4.2e1b4f10@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c462f6$0bd064a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

It's been a while since I've listerned to WBOQ, but I don't recall them EVER
using the word "oldies." IIRC, it's "good-time FAVORITES." Heaven forfend
that a station might suggest that any member of it's audience is old enough
to remember something that happened before last week. WBOQ calls itself
"North Shore 104.9," and from what I've heard, has never equaled the ratings
it used to get when it played "America's greatest songs by America's
greatest artists."

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

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Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: WCCM or WMRC


> In a message dated 07/05/04 8:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steveord@bit-net.com writes:
>
> << There seems to be a pattern here with graveyard channel AMs using the
>  "hometown radio" handle.  IIRC WIRY in Plattsburgh uses it too.  Any
>  others? >>
>
> WBOQ 104.9 Beverly...hmmm...not AM....
>
> Roger

From steveord@bit-net.com  Mon Jul  5 21:27:26 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon Jul  5 21:27:19 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <001801c462f6$0bd064a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <74.3e6566e4.2e1b4f10@aol.com>
	<001801c462f6$0bd064a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
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Dan Strassberg wrote:
>  WBOQ calls itself
>"North Shore 104.9," and from what I've heard, has never equaled the ratings
>it used to get when it played "America's greatest songs by America's
>greatest artists."


To be fair how long have they been in their current format?  6 months 
maybe?  The all-important winter book?  WBOQ was never exactly a ratings 
giant to begin with.


From RogerKola@aol.com  Mon Jul  5 22:46:17 2004
From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jul  5 22:46:46 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
Message-ID: <75.2d9d4821.2e1b6c79@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/05/04 9:10:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dan.strassberg@att.net writes:

<< It's been a while since I've listerned to WBOQ, but I don't recall them 
EVER
 using the word "oldies. >>

If I said they used the term "oldies" i was in error...I was referring to the 
term "your hometown station"....

Roger
From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jul  5 23:27:25 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon Jul  5 23:27:56 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705232711.028c1050@pop.registeredsite.com>

Ed wrote--

 >It seems to me Guy spent several post-BZ years selling solar windows, or 
something like that, in Nashua.

 >Does any body know exactly when he started at BZ and what his previous 
radio background was?

I believe he came to Boston from the mid-west:  I can find mentions of him 
attending school in the Milwaukee area, and then on the air at WRIT in 
Milwaukee in the mid-60s, first doing news and later sports.  I know he 
began doing "Calling All Sports" at WBZ in July 1969, and I know it caused 
quite a controversy when WBZ busted what had been a popular daily show back 
to only weekends in March 1977.  Guy had been on the air 2-hours a night 
every weekday evening since the show began, but I gather he saw the writing 
on the wall and left WBZ in October of 1976 when rumours began to swirl 
that the show was about to be replaced...  He did come back to do some 
news/talk shows off and on till the early 80s, as I recall, including one 
where he briefly teamed up with Glenn Ordway on WRKO (I think...)  


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Mon Jul  5 23:35:04 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Jul  5 23:34:29 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <001801c462f6$0bd064a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <40E9E5A8.31511.4EFBA7@localhost>

On 5 Jul 2004 at 21:10, Dan Strassberg wrote:

> It's been a while since I've listerned to WBOQ, but I don't recall them
> EVER using the word "oldies." IIRC, it's "good-time FAVORITES." Heaven
> forfend that a station might suggest that any member of it's audience is
> old enough to remember something that happened before last week. WBOQ
> calls itself "North Shore 104.9," and from what I've heard, has never
> equaled the ratings it used to get when it played "America's greatest
> songs by America's greatest artists."

What's WBOQ playing these days?  I haven't listened to them since they gave up classical. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From fox893@yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 07:16:50 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Tue Jul  6 07:17:00 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <014001c462c7$881ea460$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <20040706111650.3255.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>

No way that it could have been some sort of skip or
scatter from WFAD Middlebury(just south of Burlington
VT)  They run ABC's oldies format.


> WCCM's liners for their birdfeed Oldies format
> always include "Your Hometown
> Station, AM 1490."  Bruce Arnold also uses the "
> hometown station" slogan
> during his live AM drive show. WMRC also calls
> themselves "Hometown Radio:,
> but they also use from time to time "First Class
> Radio", and their birdfeed
> format is not oldies, it's AC music. They also
> almost always include "WMRC"
> in their birdfeed liners.
> 
> Mark Watson
> 
> 
> 



		
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From RBello@BelloAssoc.com  Tue Jul  6 10:26:45 2004
From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Tue Jul  6 10:26:52 2004
Subject: Guy Mainella
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705232711.028c1050@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040705232711.028c1050@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040706100505.020a7570@pop.gis.net>


In the mid 70's (75-76) "Calling All Sports" was a seven night a week program.
I remember Ken Beatrice doing weekends at this time.

It was Mainella who believed his talents were wasted doing a sports program
and "pushed" to go towards what Jerry Williams was doing.  His ratings were
too good to be casually replaced.  He was leaving if he didn't get what he 
wanted.

It was Larry Glick not Jerry Williams who would call him "Goy Vanilla".


At 11:27 PM 7/5/2004, Donna Halper wrote:
>Ed wrote--
>
> >It seems to me Guy spent several post-BZ years selling solar windows, or 
> something like that, in Nashua.
>
> >Does any body know exactly when he started at BZ and what his previous 
> radio background was?
>
>I believe he came to Boston from the mid-west:  I can find mentions of him 
>attending school in the Milwaukee area, and then on the air at WRIT in 
>Milwaukee in the mid-60s, first doing news and later sports.  I know he 
>began doing "Calling All Sports" at WBZ in July 1969, and I know it caused 
>quite a controversy when WBZ busted what had been a popular daily show 
>back to only weekends in March 1977.  Guy had been on the air 2-hours a 
>night every weekday evening since the show began, but I gather he saw the 
>writing on the wall and left WBZ in October of 1976 when rumours began to 
>swirl that the show was about to be replaced...  He did come back to do 
>some news/talk shows off and on till the early 80s, as I recall, including 
>one where he briefly teamed up with Glenn Ordway on WRKO (I think...)
>



From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Jul  6 11:07:45 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue Jul  6 11:07:55 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <20040706111650.3255.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <014001c462c7$881ea460$6f918318@Mark>
	<20040706111650.3255.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040706110232.01e78828@mail.mac.com>

At 07:16 AM 7/6/2004, Cooper Fox wrote:

>No way that it could have been some sort of skip or
>scatter from WFAD Middlebury(just south of Burlington
>VT)  They run ABC's oldies format.

Last night there was some real long-distance skip, a.k.a. sporadic-e.  I 
was in Plymouth, NH, around 7 PM, and couldn't figure out what I was 
hearing on 88.9, it obviously was not WERS.  I got a hint when they used 
the slogan "News and Information for Northwestern Wisonsin.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Jul  6 11:30:17 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Jul  6 11:30:27 2004
Subject: RadioAmerica On WHMP (Does Jim Cutler Ever Rest?)
Message-ID: <20040706153017.618CCC611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

I'm just back from a jaunt to western Massachusetts, NW 
Connecticut and NY State's Capital District. I got a little
too busy to indulge in very much radio geekery, but
for a while I was in the coverage area of WHMP
Northampton/Springfield and got my first taste of
AirAmerica radio, which I believe had just started
on that outlet.  (BTW, their liners etc
are done by the ubiquitous Jim Cutler who
must be the hardest working man in show business
radio division).  For all the talk about the
purported "ameteurishness" of A/A, it sounded
fine as regards production, pacing, and host 
professionalism were concerned.  Here I'm
talking about "Unfiltered", the morning show
with Lizz Winstead, Rachel Maddow and 
Chuck D (called Chuck  'D' because he must have
gotten mainly 'Ds' in school...he was an
exception to the above observation.)
I didn't get to hear Al Franken, so I'm
commenting on one show on an entire network.
Setting aside viewpoint, A/A may have the
potential, if it survives, to be as useful
a source of bird-fed network talk as any other.
I noted that in the M-St Journal headlines
included in Fybush.com that A/A was verrry
verrry good for KPOJ in  the other Portland.
These of course were ArbiTREND ratings, and
may not represent how well that station will
do over-all, but if network sales representatives 
garner more affiliates, I think A/A could
make a go of it.
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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jul  6 20:08:12 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue Jul  6 20:08:45 2004
Subject: the Park Squares
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040706200527.02958a38@pop.registeredsite.com>

I was asked by the late Ray Dorey's daughter about how the Park Squares got 
together-- some of you may recall that they were the back-up band for Ray 
Dorey on the old WHDH in the 50s and later for Jess Cain during the 60s. 
They performed on both radio and TV and I do have at least one photo of 
them with Ray Dorey.  Several of the members are still alive but very 
elderly (Don Alessi, for example), but if anybody can tell me more about 
them, I'd be grateful.  I've gotten conflicting stories about their career, 
which is often the case when asking the old-timers...     


From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul  7 01:30:58 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul  7 01:31:11 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
Message-ID: <1089178258.2555AE45@s29.dngr.org>

Eddie Andleman wants to buy WWZN?

http://redsoxnation.net/index.php?showtopic=6131

From xradioguy@yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 07:50:44 2004
From: xradioguy@yahoo.com (Ari Alpert)
Date: Wed Jul  7 07:50:53 2004
Subject: WCCM or WMRC
In-Reply-To: <20040705132736.44616.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040707115044.75990.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ari Alpert <xradioguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> snipped...
> WMRC Milford is "Your home town station"...

OTOH, so apparently is WCCM and I could have been
wrong, especially given the oldies birdfeed format.
WWMRC is AC and Red Sox (WMRC's night signal typically
has all of about a 4 mile radius).

Ari



		
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Wed Jul  7 08:01:23 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed Jul  7 08:01:24 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <1089178258.2555AE45@s29.dngr.org>
References: <1089178258.2555AE45@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040707075949.01b03920@pop3.bit-net.com>

  Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Eddie Andleman wants to buy WWZN?


Didn't he own (or at least was a significant investor in) WKBR back in the 
80s?  Somehow recall that venture being less than successful.


From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul  7 10:22:01 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul  7 10:22:08 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <1089178258.2555AE45@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c4642d$c59e2c40$98433c18@Sean>

Kevin wrote:
> Eddie Andleman wants to buy WWZN?
> 
> http://redsoxnation.net/index.php?showtopic=6131

One person in Molori's story was quoted as saying:
"Eddie could go with some syndicated shows or sell time on the station. 
He could get as much as $6000 to $10,000 for an hour of radio time in 
Boston."

He could? As of when? I used to buy time in this market and NEVER got a
quote anywhere approaching that.

From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul  7 10:49:44 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul  7 10:49:57 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <001c01c4642d$c59e2c40$98433c18@Sean>
References: <001c01c4642d$c59e2c40$98433c18@Sean>
Message-ID: <1089211789.51D096D@s5.dngr.org>

Paul Allen may want 20M but 10 is probably what it is worth.

If Eddie did buy it his first move should be to become ESPN radio. SNR 
has been a disaster in every major market,

WWZN has no listeners. Even the mighty 740 has a  token rating.

He also could try Air America assuming they stay afloat.





From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul  7 12:28:46 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul  7 12:28:53 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <1089211789.51D096D@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4643f$7ab0c960$98433c18@Sean>

Kevin writes:
> Paul Allen may want 20M but 10 is probably what it is worth.

Absolutely not. A station slammed by interference at night, a
less-than-stellar night pattern, a hideous lease, a high power bill and no
ratings?

$10 million?

I wouldn't buy it for $1 million out of bankruptcy.

> If Eddie did buy it his first move should be to become ESPN 
> radio. SNR 
> has been a disaster in every major market,

WEEI has the ESPN affiliation locked in for a while, I reckon. 

> WWZN has no listeners. Even the mighty 740 has a  token rating.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWZN has an OK listenership in the 20-something
set (especially with Rusillo and Pepe afternoons), they just may not be
getting diaries in their hands, or that set may not care about filling out
diaries.

> He also could try Air America assuming they stay afloat.

What someone buying the station SHOULD do:
* Try to arrange a cross-sell agreement with either GM or Clear Channel --
Clear Channel may go for it, especially if somehow they can get an agreement
to put Fox Sports Radio and clear Jim Rome in the market.
* Promote the hell out of it, besides doing "Sausage Guy" vans. 
* Do something out of the box. 

Sadly, I think Eddie may be dragging down the station's on-air product at
this point, not pulling it up, although his show (what I've listened to it)
has been better lately.

If he was smart, he'd bring the Huddle guys back to anchor afternoon drive.
Jim and Mark both have to be near retirement age, if not there, so their
afternoons could well be free -- but one has to wonder how they'd work after
not working together for years. It would at least give them a short-term
boost.

Has anyone ever successfully turned what was a dog AM station in a major
market for 10 years or more back into a ratings performer? WJIB is the only
one I can think of at the moment.

The only thing sports-wise that could draw listeners to that frequency
long-term is the Red Sox. How they would fill up 16 hours/day with local
programming would be the main issue.


From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul  7 13:47:47 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul  7 13:48:13 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <000001c4643f$7ab0c960$98433c18@Sean>
References: <000001c4643f$7ab0c960$98433c18@Sean>
Message-ID: <1089222472.20617D2B@w5.dngr.org>

I wouldn't either but I'm not Eddie.

I suspect ESPN has an out with WEEI if another station would clear more 
programming (Dan Patrick?)

Andelman isn't stupid, but his ego maybe talking here.





On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:28pm, Sean Smyth wrote:
> Kevin writes:
>>  Paul Allen may want 20M but 10 is probably what it is worth.
>
> Absolutely not. A station slammed by interference at night, a
> less-than-stellar night pattern, a hideous lease, a high power bill and 
> no
> ratings?
>
> $10 million?
>
> I wouldn't buy it for $1 million out of bankruptcy.
>
>>  If Eddie did buy it his first move should be to become ESPN
>>  radio. SNR
>>  has been a disaster in every major market,
>
> WEEI has the ESPN affiliation locked in for a while, I reckon.
>
>>  WWZN has no listeners. Even the mighty 740 has a  token rating.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if WWZN has an OK listenership in the 
> 20-something
> set (especially with Rusillo and Pepe afternoons), they just may not be
> getting diaries in their hands, or that set may not care about filling 
> out
> diaries.
>
>>  He also could try Air America assuming they stay afloat.
>
> What someone buying the station SHOULD do:
> * Try to arrange a cross-sell agreement with either GM or Clear Channel 
> --
> Clear Channel may go for it, especially if somehow they can get an 
> agreement
> to put Fox Sports Radio and clear Jim Rome in the market.
> * Promote the hell out of it, besides doing "Sausage Guy" vans.
> * Do something out of the box.
>
> Sadly, I think Eddie may be dragging down the station's on-air product 
> at
> this point, not pulling it up, although his show (what I've listened to 
> it)
> has been better lately.
>
> If he was smart, he'd bring the Huddle guys back to anchor afternoon 
> drive.
> Jim and Mark both have to be near retirement age, if not there, so 
> their
> afternoons could well be free -- but one has to wonder how they'd work 
> after
> not working together for years. It would at least give them a 
> short-term
> boost.
>
> Has anyone ever successfully turned what was a dog AM station in a 
> major
> market for 10 years or more back into a ratings performer? WJIB is the 
> only
> one I can think of at the moment.
>
> The only thing sports-wise that could draw listeners to that frequency
> long-term is the Red Sox. How they would fill up 16 hours/day with 
> local
> programming would be the main issue.
From steveord@bit-net.com  Wed Jul  7 15:03:19 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Wed Jul  7 15:03:25 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <000001c4643f$7ab0c960$98433c18@Sean>
References: <1089211789.51D096D@s5.dngr.org>
	<000001c4643f$7ab0c960$98433c18@Sean>
Message-ID: <59925.216.204.15.170.1089226999.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com>

Sean Smyth writes:>
> Has anyone ever successfully turned what was a dog AM station in a major
> market for 10 years or more back into a ratings performer? WJIB is the
> only one I can think of at the moment.

I'd stop somewhat short of calling WJIB a "ratings performer".   Yeah,
maybe compared to 1510, but that's about it.  1510 has been a dog for a
lot longer than 10 years too.




From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul  7 15:09:11 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul  7 15:09:20 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
Message-ID: <200407071909.PAA01689@webmail12.cac.psu.edu>

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:03:19, "SteveOrdinetz" wrote:
> I'd stop somewhat short of calling WJIB a "ratings performer".   Yeah,
> maybe compared to 1510, but that's about it.  1510 has been a dog for a
> lot longer than 10 years too.

WJIB has shown up in the past couple books. No, they are not a power by any
means, but they are now regularly showing up in books for the first time in
eons.

From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul  7 15:25:24 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul  7 15:25:41 2004
Subject: Andleman to buy WWZN?
In-Reply-To: <59925.216.204.15.170.1089226999.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com>
References: <1089211789.51D096D@s5.dngr.org>
	<59925.216.204.15.170.1089226999.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com>
Message-ID: <1089228328.2CE060E1@w37.dngr.org>

1510 has been a dog ever since they moved to Waverley Sq when it was 
WITS. When was the move 1979 or so?

I think it is fair to say that no station in Boston history has spent so 
much for so little return as WWZN.




On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 3:12pm, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
>
> I'd stop somewhat short of calling WJIB a "ratings performer".   Yeah,
> maybe compared to 1510, but that's about it.  1510 has been a dog for a
> lot longer than 10 years too.
From markwats@comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 17:44:13 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Wed Jul  7 17:44:23 2004
Subject: The Other Side Of The Picket Line
Message-ID: <003d01c4646b$8bf0d130$6f918318@Mark>

  I happened to catch the first few minutes of WHDH-TV's(Channel 7) 4PM
news. They went live to reporter Sean Hennesey in Worcester with the story
about the Worcester Regional Transit Authority bus drivers going on strike
this morning. Hennesey did his live shot from inside the WRTA bus garage,
walking in front of a row of parked buses. That means he, and the camera
person had to cross the ATU Local 22 picket line to get to that garage. If
I'm not mistaken, aren't TV reporters and camera persons also union? IMHO
I'm surprised that they would cross a picket line, even if it was to do a
story about why the picket line is there. I wonder if the drivers gave the
reporter and camera person any grief for crossing the line.

    FWIW, WBZ-TV (a/k/a CBS 4) also did a live shot from Worcester, however
reporter Eileen Curran was across the street from the WRTA garage with the
striking workers walking the sidewalk behind her. The camera moved left and
zoomed in for a close up of the outside of the bus garage, and managed to
get a quick shot of Channel 7's satellite truck sitting inside the yard
before the pre-taped story package ran.

    And Channel 7 got yet a second satellite truck cameo on Channel 4's 4:30
news segment, both stations were at a park & ride lot in Londonderry NH
reporting on a security search of buses and passengers heading to Boston.

Mark Watson


From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul  7 18:08:53 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul  7 18:08:59 2004
Subject: The Other Side Of The Picket Line
Message-ID: <200407072208.SAA23328@webmail12.cac.psu.edu>

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:44:13 +0000, "Mark Watson" wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, aren't TV reporters and camera persons also union? IMHO
> I'm surprised that they would cross a picket line, even if it was to do a
> story about why the picket line is there. I wonder if the drivers gave the
> reporter and camera person any grief for crossing the line.

The union might have well "opened" the line (as the police union said it will do
for Kerry) in exchange for the publicity a piece on said strike would generate
for the union.

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Jul  7 21:51:17 2004
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed Jul  7 21:38:52 2004
Subject: WBZ-AM 4th Coverage 2BN Stereo 
In-Reply-To: <008e01c4624a$70f346b0$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <BD1220D4.18FD%elipolo@earthlink.net>

On 7/5/04 12:42 AM, "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com> wrote:

> I talked to one of the BZ techs yesterday who couldn't understand the whole
> thing. He said they took the stereo exciter and generator out of the
> transmitter chain last year when they were working on the system - they
> couldn't go stereo if they wanted to.

I had heard that WBZ only has AM stereo installed on their auxiliary
Hull transmitter, which is their old main transmitter. If this is
still correct, maybe no one knew that they would have had to go to
the auxiliary for stereo on Sunday night.

I recall one day last year, I think it was last fall, when they had
to go to the auxiliary for some technical reason, and they were
inadvertently in AM stereo all day (with no IBOC noise, which is only
on their new main transmitter).

Eli Polonsky

From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Thu Jul  8 10:14:14 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Thu Jul  8 10:14:42 2004
Subject: Clea's "Radio Tracks" On LaMarche
Message-ID: <40ED56B5.2DB56019@Programmer.Net>

Clea Simon's "Radio Tracks", in today's Globe, discusses
Pat LaMarche's candidacy and resultant "leave" from
WEBB (98.5, Waterville ME):

        
http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/07/08/cohost_eyes_green_er_field

     ~Kaimbridge~

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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Jul  9 11:01:29 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Fri Jul  9 11:02:14 2004
Subject: Has WBIX finished testing its night signal?
Message-ID: <001001c465c5$b8a4fe80$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Or did the consulting engineer just take today off (either for R&R or to
work on another job--such as WAZN)? Whatever the reason, WBIX appears to be
running full power today. After the first few days of testing, the station
appeared to run its night pattern and power from approximately 8:30 AM until
approximately 6:30 PM (in June) and 6:15 PM this month. Those times mark the
beginning of PM Crtical Hours. Presumably, WBIX's STA allowed use of the
night facilities only during regular daytime hours.

If adjustment of the array is complete, keep an eye on the daily FCC
actions. There should soon be applications for a license to cover and to
augment the night pattern. I don't think applications for program test
authority appear in the daily FCC actions.

There is an apparent advantage to daul-site operation as far as the
listening experience is concerned. Pattern changes (even simple ones like
WBIX's switch between D and CH patterns) usually require a couple of seconds
of dead air. Where I live, WBIX's switch between Mt Wayte Ave (day site) and
Sewell St (night site) is just about inaudible. Yes, the background noise is
a bit more audible when the lower night power is in use and the signal
strength changes when the facilities are switched, but a good receiver's AGC
almost completely compensates for the signal-strength change--at least at my
location. In all likelihood, at a point a couple of miles northwest of the
Sewell St site, you'd notice a BIG difference.

If what I've been hearing for the past few weeks really was the night
signal, I've got to say it isn't bad. I live about 18 miles northeast of
Sewell St and the signal is pretty good for 2.5 kW. Credit the 205-degree
towers, the oversized ground system, and the relatively narrow pattern.
According to the Bob Carpenter's AMSTNS program, the signal in my direction
is the equivalent of about 13.6 kW ND into a minimum-efficiency ND antenna.
Due east of Sewell St, the equivalent power is approximately twice as great,
making the signal stronger than WKOX's 10 kW ND day signal, which emanates
from a tower that is electrically even taller than 205 degrees at 1200.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Jul  9 13:56:59 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Jul  9 13:57:34 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>

As many of you know, WBZ-TV's Jack Williams (who also fills in admirably on 
WBZ radio when David Brudnoy is out sick) wrote an interesting review of 
the movie "Anchorman" in today's Boston Globe.  Worth reading, for his 
recollections on the Boston media of 25 years ago...

Boston anchor Jack Williams recalls days of overinflated egos

By Jack Williams, Special To The Globe  |  July 9, 2004

Will Ferrell's "Anchorman" takes place in a TV news era that was ruled by 
testosterone-laden, hair-sprayed caballeros in a time when everybody -- and 
I mean everybody -- watched the 6 and 11 p.m. newscasts with a regularity 
that qualified as religious fervor.

Yes, those days, and maybe even some of those characters, really did exist 
30 years ago. Nonetheless, the target audience for this film -- a young 
crowd used to remote controls that can blitz them through hundreds of 
channels and TiVo that bypasses annoying commercials -- may find Ron 
Burgundy's world as incomprehensible as life without Diet Coke. Believe me. 
I was there.

And there were popular boneheads like the egomaniacal Burgundy on the air. 
But there was a reason for that, and it's one that really isn't explained 
in "Anchorman."

Back then, two stations dominated Boston: WBZ (with "Eyewitness News") and 
WCVB, Channel 5. To be an anchor on one of those two stations in the '70s 
gave one instant acceptance in New England and a power to persuade far 
beyond what should have been expected from "journalists" whose main claim 
to fame was a "certain something," or the "it" factor. I remember one 
general manager saying: "You either had `it' or you didn't." "It" didn't 
include journalistic talent or credibility. Audience research showed the 
majority of viewers "just liked" some people and didn't like others. 
Whatever this intangible was, likability equaled credibility on the small 
screen.   [snip]

remainder of article can be read at 
http://www.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2004/07/09/boston_anchor_jack_williams_recalls_days_of_overinflated_egos?mode=PF


From kvahey@tmail.com  Fri Jul  9 16:56:16 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri Jul  9 16:56:35 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <1089406580.78BB5EB@r31.dngr.org>

Does anybody better represent that era than Jay"found in a motel room" 
Scott?

Local news has changed but some relics of the 70's remain..WPVI Philly 
and WKBW Buffalo come to mind.

(And any Circle 7 ABC Imissit News  Chicago, NY they all the same )




On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 2:01pm, Donna Halper wrote:
> As many of you know, WBZ-TV's Jack Williams (who also fills in 
> admirably on WBZ radio when David Brudnoy is out sick) wrote an 
> interesting review of the movie "Anchorman" in today's Boston Globe.  
> Worth reading, for his recollections on the Boston media of 25 years 
> ago...
>
> Boston anchor Jack Williams recalls days of overinflated egos
>
> By Jack Williams, Special To The Globe  |  July 9, 2004
>
> Will Ferrell's "Anchorman" takes place in a TV news era that was ruled 
> by testosterone-laden, hair-sprayed caballeros in a time when everybody 
> -- and I mean everybody -- watched the 6 and 11 p.m. newscasts with a 
> regularity that qualified as religious fervor.
>
> Yes, those days, and maybe even some of those characters, really did 
> exist 30 years ago. Nonetheless, the target audience for this film -- a 
> young crowd used to remote controls that can blitz them through 
> hundreds of channels and TiVo that bypasses annoying commercials -- may 
> find Ron Burgundy's world as incomprehensible as life without Diet 
> Coke. Believe me. I was there.
>
> And there were popular boneheads like the egomaniacal Burgundy on the 
> air. But there was a reason for that, and it's one that really isn't 
> explained in "Anchorman."
>
> Back then, two stations dominated Boston: WBZ (with "Eyewitness News") 
> and WCVB, Channel 5. To be an anchor on one of those two stations in 
> the '70s gave one instant acceptance in New England and a power to 
> persuade far beyond what should have been expected from "journalists" 
> whose main claim to fame was a "certain something," or the "it" factor. 
> I remember one general manager saying: "You either had `it' or you 
> didn't." "It" didn't include journalistic talent or credibility. 
> Audience research showed the majority of viewers "just liked" some 
> people and didn't like others. Whatever this intangible was, likability 
> equaled credibility on the small screen.   [snip]
>
> remainder of article can be read at 
> http://www.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2004/07/09/boston_anchor_jack_williams_recalls_days_of_overinflated_egos?mode=PF
From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Jul  9 17:26:52 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Jul  9 17:26:59 2004
Subject: WGBH-FM Application
Message-ID: <20040709212652.2B6BA4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>

Among today's (07/09) FCC Daily Digests applications was
a request by WGBH-FM to add an auxiliary antenna at the 
Great Blue Hill site.  It will churn out a mighty 22.5 KW
at 184m (about 603') #BXPED20040706ABE.  A glance at the
WGBH-FM info at fcc.gov indicates that the proposed move to
the channel 4 stick is still on;  at the May pizza-fest and
baby Ariel appearance, someone said that this application
was null and void.  But it's still on-file!
-- 
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From radiolist@fybush.com  Fri Jul  9 17:38:25 2004
From: radiolist@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri Jul  9 17:38:27 2004
Subject: WGBH-FM Application
In-Reply-To: <20040709212652.2B6BA4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20040709212652.2B6BA4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <38091.66.36.29.157.1089409105.squirrel@66.36.29.157>

> Among today's (07/09) FCC Daily Digests applications was
> a request by WGBH-FM to add an auxiliary antenna at the
> Great Blue Hill site.  It will churn out a mighty 22.5 KW
> at 184m (about 603') #BXPED20040706ABE.  A glance at the
> WGBH-FM info at fcc.gov indicates that the proposed move to
> the channel 4 stick is still on;  at the May pizza-fest and
> baby Ariel appearance, someone said that this application
> was null and void.  But it's still on-file!

It may still be on file, but the word right from the WGBH engineer's mouth
when Garrett and I visited channels twoandfortyfour in May was that the
move will not be taking place.

s
From ssmyth@psu.edu  Fri Jul  9 19:09:19 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri Jul  9 19:09:27 2004
Subject: WGBH-FM Application
In-Reply-To: <38091.66.36.29.157.1089409105.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
Message-ID: <000001c46609$c5edeea0$98433c18@Sean>

Scott wrote:
> It may still be on file, but the word right from the WGBH 
> engineer's mouth when Garrett and I visited channels 
> twoandfortyfour in May was that the move will not be taking place.

What would have been the advantage of giving up all that grandfathered power
and moving to Needham, anyway?			


From scott@fybush.com  Fri Jul  9 20:55:30 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri Jul  9 20:55:10 2004
Subject: WGBH-FM Application
In-Reply-To: <000001c46609$c5edeea0$98433c18@Sean>
References: <38091.66.36.29.157.1089409105.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040709205435.0393b6c8@gwind.pair.com>

At 07:09 PM 7/9/2004 -0400, Sean Smyth wrote:
>Scott wrote:
> > It may still be on file, but the word right from the WGBH
> > engineer's mouth when Garrett and I visited channels
> > twoandfortyfour in May was that the move will not be taking place.
>
>What would have been the advantage of giving up all that grandfathered power
>and moving to Needham, anyway?

In-city penetration, largely - and I think there was some concern that the 
MDC will eventually want the tower gone from the top of Great Blue...

s

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Fri Jul  9 23:17:51 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri Jul  9 23:17:07 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <1089406580.78BB5EB@r31.dngr.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost>

On 9 Jul 2004 at 15:56, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Does anybody better represent that era than Jay"found in a motel room"
> Scott?

I wonder where he is now? 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@tmail.com  Sat Jul 10 01:27:23 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat Jul 10 02:10:09 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
Message-ID: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>

Bunch of us old has been techies got together tonight and pattern change 
songs somehow became a focus.

Seems the one we remember most was "Do You Love Me" by the <koff> 
Contours

I offered "Last Night" by the Marquis

Any olders have other nominations?

On the talent side "JJ Jeffrey" offered a line that put WRKO tech Chet 
Kelly into hysterics

"Time to burp the transmitter"

BTW Chet was the best board op I ever saw or worked with....and he HATED 
the music

But he was tight ( and died way too young )
From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Jul 10 11:37:39 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat Jul 10 11:37:54 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <002401c46693$d897f700$6f918318@Mark>

 Kevin Vahey wrote:

> On the talent side "JJ Jeffrey" offered a line that put WRKO tech Chet
> Kelly into hysterics "Time to burp the transmitter"

   Also on the talent side, I recall a line from Dave Supple on the former
WHDH (850 Boston) when it was time to change to night pattern one night
years ago: "Good night Framingham".

Mark Watson


From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Jul 10 12:01:38 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat Jul 10 12:01:48 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost>
Message-ID: <000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark>

 A.Joseph Ross wrote regarding whatever happened to Jay Scott:

> I wonder where he is now?

  Back in the Denver motel room where he was found. <g>

  I did read the Jack Williams review in the Globe yesterday. Loved that
1975 photo of Jack with all that hair.And the suit...people actually wore
clothes like that??? (Yes I did too, I must admit, in my teenage years at
the time). And his anchoring style hasn't changed in the 29 years he's been
at Channel 4. Never comes across as a pompous or egotistical anchor.
Delivers the news as if he talking to you and you alone IMHO.He has seen
many anchors and reporters come and go through the doors off 1170 Soldiers
Field Rd. (and in and out of the Boston market too). Also has seen many news
sets and slogans come and go too, yet Jack has been a constant through the
years. One of a dying breed of long lasting anchors in the market. Natalie
Jacobson has been with WCVB (Channel 5) for 20+ years, at WHDH -TV (Channel
7) Randy Price is the anchor who's been there the longest, and that's been
only 10 years, if that. He was at Channel 4 prior to his Channel 7 gig.

Mark Watson


From kvahey@tmail.com  Sat Jul 10 13:17:55 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat Jul 10 13:18:12 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com>
	<40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost>
	<000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <1089479882.33AF20C7@r5.dngr.org>

Williams was hired partly because he looked a little like Johnny Carson 
who of course was on Ch 4 back then.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul 10 15:43:00 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat Jul 10 15:43:06 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com><40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost>
	<000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

Anyone care to tell the Jay Scott story?  I am not familiar with it.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Jul 10 17:50:42 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat Jul 10 17:51:23 2004
Subject: Ron Della Chiesa
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040710175000.02651110@pop.registeredsite.com>

Does anybody have a working e-mail address for Ron?  The one that I had 
just bounced...


From kvahey@tmail.com  Sat Jul 10 19:22:31 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat Jul 10 19:22:44 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com><40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost>
	<000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark>
	<004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <1089501754.38A85D82@w5.dngr.org>

Back in the mid 70's Channel 7 needed to find someone to replace Chuck 
Scarboro who had moved to WNBC and they conducted a nationwide search. 
The story goes that station brass discovered Jay while watching in a 
Denver motel room and then launched an ad blitz promoting that. Scott 
was finished in Boston before he started.

Jack talks about how well Tom Ellis and Natalie Jacobson got along. The 
end came when WCVB did a story on a gorilla giving birth and Tom quipped 
"Natalie you can go there for breast feeding lessons"

That is how Boston found out that Natalie was with child. It was also 
how Natalie's husband found out. Tom was finished at WCVB and would then 
become part of WNEV's dream team along with Robin Young.


On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 3:43pm, Dan Billings wrote:
> Anyone care to tell the Jay Scott story?  I am not familiar with it.
From steveord@bit-net.com  Sat Jul 10 19:38:16 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sat Jul 10 19:38:12 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <002401c46693$d897f700$6f918318@Mark>
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
	<002401c46693$d897f700$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040710193605.01aeec80@pop3.bit-net.com>

  Mark Watson wrote:

>    Also on the talent side, I recall a line from Dave Supple on the former
>WHDH (850 Boston) when it was time to change to night pattern one night
>years ago: "Good night Framingham".


And Dale Dorman would do just the opposite in the morning when WRKO went to 
their day pattern.

Also remember Dale coming out of "I'd Love To Change The World" by 10 Years 
After saying "I'd love to change the world, I'd also love to change the 
pattern" (cue the transmitter engineer).


From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Sat Jul 10 21:32:16 2004
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Sat Jul 10 21:32:30 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>

ok, you got me going, people......sorry, I added a few catagories.   yes, I
think back to the 60's

- Monkees - "Daily Nightly" lesser-known, it was on the show several times,
            and on an album (with Mike Dolenz on Moog)
- Badfinger - Day After Day"    (perhaps)
- Peter Paul & Mary   "Day is Done"
- Kinks - "All Day And All Of The Night"    (perhaps)
- Buddy Holly - "It's so easy"    (yeah, right)
- Little River Band - time for a "Cool Change"
- David Bowie - "Changes"
- Friend & Lover - "Reach Out Of  The Darkness"    (nah, lost in the
darkness? except for skywave)

....... for Framingham, WRKO, nights?     & similar situations
- Rare Earth - "I know I'm Loosing You"
- Bill Withers - "Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone"   [signal lost at
night?]
- Steam - "Na Na, Hey Hey, Kiss Him Goodbye"

......for morning pattern change
- Chase, (Bill) -   "Get it On" (in the morning now)

......for stations that "forget" to change for night
- J.Giles - "I Must Have Got Lost"

......for night time fading
- Dobie Gray - "Drift Away"

......for Engineers vs management re equipment
- Georgia Satellites - "Keep Your Hands To Yourself"


From scott@fybush.com  Sat Jul 10 21:37:42 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat Jul 10 21:37:19 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040710213502.03951678@gwind.pair.com>

Not "pattern change" so much as "frequency change" - but do any of you 
remember the late, much lamented KUSW Worldwide? It was a valiant, doomed 
attempt at a commercial shortwave rock'n'roll station from Salt Lake City 
back in the late 80s - and when it came time for them to do the 
several-times-daily frequency shift, they'd start playing the long 
instrumental break from Dire Straits' "Telegraph Road." A minute or so in, 
it would disappear, and you'd tune up or down, as the case may be, until 
they popped up again a few seconds later on the next frequency with Dire 
Straits already in progress. The break ended, the programming continued, 
life went on for a little while...

s

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 22:14:13 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sat Jul 10 22:20:02 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709135343.02a52010@pop.registeredsite.com><40EF279F.17938.5646AF@localhost><000d01c46697$31217e70$6f918318@Mark><004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<1089501754.38A85D82@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <009701c466ed$8d605700$1404fea9@xyz>



> That is how Boston found out that Natalie was with child. It was also
> how Natalie's husband found out. Tom was finished at WCVB and would then
> become part of WNEV's dream team along with Robin Young.

I remember the details slightly different.

There were a lot of double-entendre things that went on during the Tom
Ellis-Natalie Jacobsen era.  Some may have just been imagined.

However, they were still king of the hill ratings-wise..so whatever Tom and
Natalie had between them personally...they would have to work thru
it...cause they were the #1 newscast at the time.

I remember that when Chan 7 did announced their 'dream team' anchors of Tom
Ellis and Robin Young, it was a surprise to everyone, even Ch 5...because it
meant that Tom was negotiating with Ch 7 while Ch 5 was trying to re-sign
him.

Tom left on his own to take the deal at the NEW ch 7.

I remember everyone commenting on what a sleazy deal it was for him to be
negotiating on the side with Ch 7 while ch 5 was trying to negotiate with
him a new deal.  (I'm not sure I see the problem with him getting the best
deal he can.)

Bob Woolfe, who once acted as Ellis' agent...remarked that it was a sleazy
way to deal...and that he would never represent Tom again.

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jul 10 23:37:02 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat Jul 10 23:37:08 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <002401c46693$d897f700$6f918318@Mark>
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
	<002401c46693$d897f700$6f918318@Mark>
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<<On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:37:39 -0400, "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net> said:

>    Also on the talent side, I recall a line from Dave Supple on the former
> WHDH (850 Boston) when it was time to change to night pattern one night
> years ago: "Good night Framingham".

Which makes no sense, since 850 has a perfectly serviceable signal in
Framingham -- at this location, it's nearly as good as WBZ's, and
miles away better than 680 (which as a practical matter doesn't exist
here at night).

-GAWollman

From kvahey@tmail.com  Sun Jul 11 00:20:39 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun Jul 11 00:21:01 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <200407110337.i6B3b274080743@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
	<200407110337.i6B3b274080743@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1089519644.CEDED04@r31.dngr.org>

850 really dies north of Saxonville and by Concord fights with Pan Yann 
NY after sundown

One of my fondest memories goes back to 1969/70 when the FCC allowed 
Monday mornings between 12AM and 5AM for "testing" Bunch of Emerson 
people would crank up the mighty 950 in Saugus and take calls. We heard 
from as far west as Iowa.






On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:42pm, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:37:39 -0400, "Mark Watson" 
> <markwats@comcast.net> said:
>
>>     Also on the talent side, I recall a line from Dave Supple on the 
>> former
>>  WHDH (850 Boston) when it was time to change to night pattern one 
>> night
>>  years ago: "Good night Framingham".
>
> Which makes no sense, since 850 has a perfectly serviceable signal in
> Framingham -- at this location, it's nearly as good as WBZ's, and
> miles away better than 680 (which as a practical matter doesn't exist
> here at night).
>
> -GAWollman
From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Jul 11 01:14:08 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun Jul 11 01:14:41 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <1089519644.CEDED04@r31.dngr.org>
References: <200407110337.i6B3b274080743@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
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>Kevin wrote--
>
>One of my fondest memories goes back to 1969/70 when the FCC allowed 
>Monday mornings between 12AM and 5AM for "testing" Bunch of Emerson people 
>would crank up the mighty 950 in Saugus and take calls. We heard from as 
>far west as Iowa.

Ah yes, the good old days-- when I was a hitline operator at WRKO, I worked 
sometimes with Frank Kingston Smith, who was on the air as "Bobby Mitchell" 
back then.  When it came time for the tech-- whose name escapes me but he 
was a very nice person and I believe he is deceased--  to do the pattern 
change, -- "S'mitch" (as he jokingly referred to himself) and I and whoever 
else was around would all gather in the air studio and holler at the top of 
our lungs PATTERN CHANGE!!! (Luckily the mike was always off when we did 
it-- WRKO was very very union back then, and the tech operated all the 
equipment, while the jock and the tech communicated via hand signals when 
it was time for the jock to speak.)  To this day, when I hear a station do 
that pattern change, I wanna shout it out the way we did it back in 1968-9... 


From scott@fybush.com  Sun Jul 11 10:52:14 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun Jul 11 10:51:52 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <1089519644.CEDED04@r31.dngr.org>
References: <200407110337.i6B3b274080743@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1089439800.1F05B08C@w5.dngr.org>
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Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040711105058.0390f7f0@gwind.pair.com>

At 11:20 PM 7/10/2004 -0500, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>850 really dies north of Saxonville and by Concord fights with Pan Yann NY 
>after sundown
>
>One of my fondest memories goes back to 1969/70 when the FCC allowed 
>Monday mornings between 12AM and 5AM for "testing" Bunch of Emerson people 
>would crank up the mighty 950 in Saugus and take calls. We heard from as 
>far west as Iowa.

The FCC still allows testing between midnight and 5 :-)

As for 850 Penn Yan, they've been operating with day power at night for 
years and years and years now. Other 850 stations know about it, and it's 
just a matter of time before a big NAL comes down the pike from Washington 
with WYLF's name on it, I hear...

s

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Jul 11 17:43:10 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Jul 11 17:42:18 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <1089501754.38A85D82@w5.dngr.org>
References: <004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
Message-ID: <40F17C2E.30571.166E03@localhost>

On 10 Jul 2004 at 18:22, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Back in the mid 70's Channel 7 needed to find someone to replace Chuck
> Scarboro who had moved to WNBC and they conducted a nationwide search. The
> story goes that station brass discovered Jay while watching in a Denver
> motel room and then launched an ad blitz promoting that. Scott was
> finished in Boston before he started.
 
The story was that they were in their hotel room watching the local news, saw him, and liked 
what they saw.  The ad campaign was complimentary to Scott, and I have never understood 
why it was so bad for him.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sun Jul 11 17:43:10 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun Jul 11 17:43:09 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040710213502.03951678@gwind.pair.com>
References: <000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
Message-ID: <40F17C2E.13821.166D29@localhost>

On 10 Jul 2004 at 21:37, Scott Fybush wrote:

> Not "pattern change" so much as "frequency change" - but do any of you
> remember the late, much lamented KUSW Worldwide? It was a valiant, doomed
> attempt at a commercial shortwave rock'n'roll station from Salt Lake City
> back in the late 80s - and when it came time for them to do the
> several-times-daily frequency shift, they'd start playing the long
> instrumental break from Dire Straits' "Telegraph Road." A minute or so in,
> it would disappear, and you'd tune up or down, as the case may be, until
> they popped up again a few seconds later on the next frequency with Dire
> Straits already in progress. The break ended, the programming continued,
> life went on for a little while...

With no announcements as to the new frequencies?  The BBC World Service always used to 
do that.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 17:58:50 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sun Jul 11 17:59:16 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
References: <000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
	<40F17C2E.13821.166D29@localhost>
Message-ID: <06e701c46792$4afb8420$1404fea9@xyz>


> On 10 Jul 2004 at 21:37, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> > Not "pattern change" so much as "frequency change" - but do any of you
> > remember the late, much lamented KUSW Worldwide? It was a valiant,
doomed
> > attempt at a commercial shortwave rock'n'roll station from Salt Lake
City
> > back in the late 80s

"From the West to the World!  K-U-S-W!"

And lets not forget WRNO Worldwide...from New Orleans.  Another expensive
attempt to do commercial rock and roll shortwave!

> - and when it came time for them to do the
> > several-times-daily frequency shift, they'd start playing the long
> > instrumental break from Dire Straits' "Telegraph Road." A minute or so
in,
> > it would disappear, and you'd tune up or down, as the case may be, until
> > they popped up again a few seconds later on the next frequency with Dire
> > Straits already in progress. The break ended, the programming continued,
> > life went on for a little while...

From: "A. Joseph Ross"

> With no announcements as to the new frequencies?  The BBC World Service
always used to
> do that.

I remember them making frequency announcements.

However, unlike a switch to a different antenna system which is basically
instantaneous.

I think the process is much more complex with changing
frequencies...especially when you only have one transmitter.  Unlike the
BBC, etc...which has multitudes of transitters and multiple antenna
sights...and just flips between the systems.

It could be that the jock on the air actually had to leave to studio and go
through the process of powering down changing frequencies...doing whatever
adjustments/tuning might quickly be needed and then firing it up
again...hoping it 'kicks in'.

JP

From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 17:59:04 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Sun Jul 11 17:59:17 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
References: <004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<40F17C2E.30571.166E03@localhost>
Message-ID: <06e801c46792$4b603960$1404fea9@xyz>


From: "A. Joseph Ross"

> The story was that they were in their hotel room watching the local news,
saw him, and liked
> what they saw.  The ad campaign was complimentary to Scott, and I have
never understood
> why it was so bad for him.

I believe it was discovered or attributed to him that he was nothing more
than a peice of meat.

A rather handsome good looking guy...who was, in effect, a lightweight when
it came to news and journalism (and life?).  Someone who was hired basically
for his looks and nothing else.

I'm not sure if the public really reacted negatively...but I believe the
newspaper columnists had a field day with the idea.


JP

From kvahey@tmail.com  Sun Jul 11 18:05:31 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun Jul 11 18:05:52 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <40F17C2E.30571.166E03@localhost>
References: <004d01c466b6$1c37b370$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<40F17C2E.30571.166E03@localhost>
Message-ID: <1089583535.1752198F@s5.dngr.org>

The print media never gave him a shot.

Truth is Channel 7 had an excellent product with Scarboro and an anchor 
from Maine ( Lee Nelson?)
but they were Channel 7.

7 did everything right when they became CBS in 1972 but viewers were set 
with Ch 4 and 5.

You got to remember 7 had a NINE year headstart on Ch 5 but General Tire 
could not care less about local news. 7 produced nobody that anybody 
remembers except for Louise Morgan.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 5:42pm, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
From steveord@bit-net.com  Sun Jul 11 19:24:29 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Sun Jul 11 19:24:22 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <06e701c46792$4afb8420$1404fea9@xyz>
References: <000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
	<40F17C2E.13821.166D29@localhost>
	<06e701c46792$4afb8420$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040711191850.01b0df08@pop3.bit-net.com>

  Joseph Pappalardo wrote:

>And lets not forget WRNO Worldwide...from New Orleans.  Another expensive
>attempt to do commercial rock and roll shortwave!


Was that separately programmed, or just a simulcast of the FM?  I recall 
hearing them a few times in the early 80s, and it wasn't obvious.


From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Sun Jul 11 19:56:45 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Sun Jul 11 19:55:42 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
Message-ID: <200407111956.AA3749249348@mail.ttlc.net>

"Joseph Pappalardo" wrote

>Someone who was hired basically for his looks and nothing else.


"Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here 
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear"

~"Dirty Laundry" - Don Henley

From lspin@comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 20:19:15 2004
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Sun Jul 11 20:19:38 2004
Subject: Jack Williams movie review
In-Reply-To: <06e801c46792$4b603960$1404fea9@xyz>
Message-ID: <000d01c467a5$e1be0cd0$6401a8c0@DAS8200>

To follow on that thread, WMEX in its final days under Pat Whitley ran a
promotion for new morning man Scott Wallace that mimicked the Jay Scott
ads...
<Harry Chase's Voice> "We sent our WMEX program director nationwide to
find our new morning man..."
<Whitley's Voice> "Thanks.  All I'll need is the radio..."
Funny stuff.

-Lou


-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Joseph Pappalardo
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Jack Williams movie review

I believe it was discovered or attributed to him that he was nothing
more
than a peice of meat.

A rather handsome good looking guy...who was, in effect, a lightweight
when
it came to news and journalism (and life?).  Someone who was hired
basically
for his looks and nothing else.



From scott@fybush.com  Sun Jul 11 21:52:04 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun Jul 11 21:51:40 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <40F17C2E.13821.166D29@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040710213502.03951678@gwind.pair.com>
	<000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040711215123.0397a690@gwind.pair.com>

At 05:43 PM 7/11/2004 -0400, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>On 10 Jul 2004 at 21:37, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> > Not "pattern change" so much as "frequency change" - but do any of you
> > remember the late, much lamented KUSW Worldwide? It was a valiant, doomed
> > attempt at a commercial shortwave rock'n'roll station from Salt Lake City
> > back in the late 80s - and when it came time for them to do the
> > several-times-daily frequency shift, they'd start playing the long
> > instrumental break from Dire Straits' "Telegraph Road." A minute or so in,
> > it would disappear, and you'd tune up or down, as the case may be, until
> > they popped up again a few seconds later on the next frequency with Dire
> > Straits already in progress. The break ended, the programming continued,
> > life went on for a little while...
>
>With no announcements as to the new frequencies?  The BBC World Service 
>always used to
>do that.

Oh yes, there were announcements, right before they headed into Dire 
Straits. I recall 5810 as having been one of the frequencies; there was 
something in the 15 MHz band as well, and probably something in between too 
that escapes me..

s

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Jul 11 22:16:36 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun Jul 11 22:16:11 2004
Subject: Pattern Change songs
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040711191850.01b0df08@pop3.bit-net.com>
References: <06e701c46792$4afb8420$1404fea9@xyz>
	<000e01c466e6$e7516940$569ae541@p133>
	<40F17C2E.13821.166D29@localhost>
	<06e701c46792$4afb8420$1404fea9@xyz>
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At 07:24 PM 7/11/2004 -0400, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
>  Joseph Pappalardo wrote:
>
>>And lets not forget WRNO Worldwide...from New Orleans.  Another expensive
>>attempt to do commercial rock and roll shortwave!
>
>
>Was that separately programmed, or just a simulcast of the FM?  I recall 
>hearing them a few times in the early 80s, and it wasn't obvious.

Yes. :-)

Sometimes they simulcast the FM, sometimes they were on their own. Joe 
Costello actually made some money off this one by leasing time, and I think 
he made a few more bucks when he sold it. (In any event, he definitely made 
some serious green when he sold the FM, which ended up with one of the big 
groups...)

s

From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 22:58:53 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun Jul 11 22:59:06 2004
Subject: Gene LaVerne Has Passed Away
Message-ID: <005601c467bc$2f1822c0$6f918318@Mark>

   Longtime WFGL-WFMP Fitchburg MA radio personality Gene LaVerne (real
name: Jean LaVergne) passed away Tuesday July 6 in Concord NH. He was 80
years old. LaVerne started his radio career as a country & western singer on
WHEB in Portsmouth NH. He later went on to work at WFEA in Manchester NH,
WLAW in Lawrence MA, WMEX in Boston and his final and best known radio stop,
WFGL & WFMP, where he hosted his "Country Carousel" show for many years
until WFMP changed formats to AC in 1979 and eventually changed calls to
WXLO. WFGL also changed formats at that time IIRC and LaVerne was out the
door.

   LaVerne also performed with early country music stars such as Roy Rogers
and Smiley Burnett. He also managed the Lone Star Ranch in NH where he
brought many country stars to perform live back in the 50's. The past
several years he had hosted old time country music shows during the
Deerfield (NH) Fair held the last weekend of September.

Mark Watson


From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul 12 17:34:19 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul 12 17:34:38 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <1089668062.31E14F94@w5.dngr.org>

Was reading old Globes from 1991 when the Boston Celtics decided to flip 
WEEI from all news to sports.

The move was made to save money and the station expected billings to 
drop 50%. WBZ  didn't want to touch its happy talk and at the time it 
was thought WBUR would be the big winner.

What we didn't know at the time was it would mean the end of WHDH.
From ssmyth@psu.edu  Mon Jul 12 17:45:37 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon Jul 12 17:45:43 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <200407122145.i6CLjbO05282@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:34:19 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Was reading old Globes from 1991 when the Boston Celtics decided to flip 
> WEEI from all news to sports.
> 
> The move was made to save money and the station expected billings to 
> drop 50%. WBZ  didn't want to touch its happy talk and at the time it 
> was thought WBUR would be the big winner.
> 
> What we didn't know at the time was it would mean the end of WHDH.

Ah, but WBZ did touch its happy talk. Almost immediately they dropped talk in PM
drive and had an expanded news block, with the exception of Upton Bell's
mid-morning show. 

From billo@shoreham.net  Mon Jul 12 18:08:15 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon Jul 12 18:08:41 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <1089668062.31E14F94@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4685c$bc6f0990$0200a8c0@boneill>

> What we didn't know at the time was it would mean the end of WHDH.

As we made the biannual trek home from SE Ohio to VT last night, I was thinking
of the former heritage WHDH.  There has not been any station that has even come
close to filling the loss of WHDH radio.  WHDH and WBZ was a synergistic
presence in the full service AC market for Greater Boston.  WHDH seemed to take
itself just a little less seriously.  Even the "85 HDH" imaging seemed to
clearly reflect a confidence that WHDH listeners knew who they were listening to
and didn't need a formal reminder every 12 minutes.

<harp SFX> My first opportunity to jock an HDH shift, I recall my first HDH
Cashcall.  I'm frantically dialing the designated number, tape rolling.  An
older guy answers from Peabody, I think.  "Hi, it's Bill O'Neill calling from
WHDH radio in Boston.  Are you familiar with HDH radio?"  The guy pauses, as if
to look at his phone and says, "Buddy, are you nuts? HDH? Who doesn't know HDH?
What do you want?" Deservedly whacked, I ask him for the amount in the HDH
Cashcall (and save his answer for PB.)  I think he missed it but it was clear by
his response that he was on the trail for the right answer, clearly a listener
to WHDH.  (Side note: That was my first shot on HDH after many non-jock duties.
I will be forever grateful for that 5:15 a.m. call from Chuck Igo giving me a
well-needed ataboy phone call from Maine to keep going until nine.)  Some things
you just never forget.  Even in this business.

Bill O'Neill

From miscon@miscon.net  Mon Jul 12 18:48:35 2004
From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control)
Date: Mon Jul 12 18:48:43 2004
Subject: "Equal opportunity" question
Message-ID: <200407121848.AA273088664@miscon.net>

Am I right in assuming that the "equal opportunity provision" does not come into play on the recent CBS Kerry/Edwards interview because the program "60 Minutes" is exempted as it is a regularly scheduled news interview show?

I know it's not radio, I'm just using it as an example. However, I'll give you a radio example, though it might just be a case of apples and oranges... set me straight regardless! (I'm sure you will.)

Last week, Erik Eldracher - a challanger for state Representative Barry Finegold's seat - was interviewed on the "Lowell Sunrise" program broadcast on the University of Massachusetts, Lowell's radio station (WUML).

The way I figure it, Finegold can request "equal opportunity;" but he is not likely to get it for several reasons (especially the one being mentioned above), but also because the "equal opportunity" law does not require a radio station afford a state or local candidate *any* air time.

On the other hand, it has been pointed out to me, under the public interest standard of the Communications Act, it is strongly suggested radio stations make time available for candidates for state and local offices.

What say you?

Mike

From steveord@bit-net.com  Mon Jul 12 19:42:39 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon Jul 12 19:42:32 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <200407122145.i6CLjbO05282@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>
References: <200407122145.i6CLjbO05282@webmail1.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040712193927.01b84ec0@pop3.bit-net.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:
>Ah, but WBZ did touch its happy talk. Almost immediately they dropped talk 
>in PM
>drive and had an expanded news block, with the exception of Upton Bell's
>mid-morning show.

When did WBZ go all news?  I had thought the first Gulf war in early 1991 
was when it happened....dropping daytime talk for news, intending to go 
back but never did. 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jul 12 20:21:07 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon Jul 12 20:21:42 2004
Subject: "Equal opportunity" question
In-Reply-To: <200407121848.AA273088664@miscon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040712201813.0276f208@pop.registeredsite.com>

At 06:48 PM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Am I right in assuming that the "equal opportunity provision" does not 
>come into play on the recent CBS Kerry/Edwards interview because the 
>program "60 Minutes" is exempted as it is a regularly scheduled news 
>interview show?
>
>I know it's not radio, I'm just using it as an example. However, I'll give 
>you a radio example, though it might just be a case of apples and 
>oranges... set me straight regardless! (I'm sure you will.)

Any newsmaker is entitled to be interviewed when he or she makes 
news.  That said, despite de-regulation, most news outlets, even though the 
fairness doctrine was rescinded in 1987, still do try to present both 
sides, and I am sure Bush will be interviewed in the near future.  Btw, I 
thought the Kerry/Edwards interview was one of 60 Minutes' worst-- very 
negative and you could see Stahl (and later Andy Rooney) dislike both Kerry 
and his wife.  I think Kerry should demand equal time, given how he was 
dissed!   


From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul 12 20:58:35 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul 12 20:58:56 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <79.2e2c463f.2e248bbc@aol.com>
References: <79.2e2c463f.2e248bbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1089680318.28349DE6@w5.dngr.org>

WEEI's first lineup was Andy Moes in the morning, then Dale Arnold and 
Eddie Andleman at 10 and Glenn Ordway and Janet Prensky at 2 and Craig 
Mustarf at night.

Nobody thought that format would last in Boston.. Now they maybe the 
biggest cash cow in town.






On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 8:50pm, DonKelley@aol.com wrote:
> They flipped it on Labor Day Weekend.
From ssmyth@psu.edu  Mon Jul 12 22:20:24 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon Jul 12 22:20:47 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <200407130220.WAA01789@webmail9.cac.psu.edu>

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:58:35 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> WEEI's first lineup was Andy Moes in the morning, then Dale Arnold and 
> Eddie Andleman at 10 and Glenn Ordway and Janet Prensky at 2 and Craig 
> Mustarf at night.
> 
> Nobody thought that format would last in Boston.. Now they maybe the 
> biggest cash cow in town.

I remember Upton Bell's famous quote... "Within a year they'll (WEEI) be off the
air."

Remember, it was Eddie's hiring that precipitated the flip to sports. The
station was built around him. 

I believe at the time WEEI was only the sixth or seventh station in the country
to go all-sports -- WFAN had only flipped three years before, WIP a tad more
recently. The naysayers had reason to believe all-sports could flop. 

If there ever was a market for all-sports to succeed, it'd be this one.

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Jul 12 22:21:37 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon Jul 12 22:21:14 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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At 05:45 PM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:34:19 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> > Was reading old Globes from 1991 when the Boston Celtics decided to flip
> > WEEI from all news to sports.
> >
> > The move was made to save money and the station expected billings to
> > drop 50%. WBZ  didn't want to touch its happy talk and at the time it
> > was thought WBUR would be the big winner.
> >
> > What we didn't know at the time was it would mean the end of WHDH.
>
>Ah, but WBZ did touch its happy talk. Almost immediately they dropped talk 
>in PM
>drive and had an expanded news block, with the exception of Upton Bell's
>mid-morning show.

IIRC, Upton was already gone from BZ by then. When I signed on in the 
spring of 1992, the schedule looked like this:

5-10 AM WBZ Morning News - Gary LaPierre/Peter Meade/Gil Santos
10-noon Tom Bergeron
noon-1 WBZ Noon News - Jacquie Goddard/Deb Lawler (I think)
1-3 Tom Bergeron (who'd been doing People Are Talking from 12:30-1 on 
WBZ-TV in the meantime)
3-7 WBZ Afternoon News - Anthony Silva/Diane Stern/Tom Cuddy sports
7-midnight David Brudnoy (Darrell Gould on news)
midnight-5 AM Bob Raleigh

Street reporters back then were Don Batting in the morning, Jacquie Goddard 
middays and Carl Stevens in the afternoon.

I came on board in June, and by July or August Peter was gone from 
mornings, with a series of newspeople being auditioned in his slot, which 
Deb eventually got (that was my first writing gig there, in fact). That 
took mornings to all-news.

Later in 1992, with the help of several ex-WEEIers who came on board (Bob 
McMahon, Bob Ames and Bill Lawrence, most notably), Bergeron's talk show 
was replaced by the Midday News (I was the first writer for that, too, when 
it launched.)

Others who came over from WEEI when it folded were Paul Connearney (now the 
assistant news director, then the morning news editor), Jill Madigan 
(afternoon news editor) and Carol Lanigan (now an assignment editor at WFXT).

Jay McQuaide came back from Orlando and WDBO in the fall of '92 or spring 
of '93 to join the midday news. That's about the time that Ed Donahue came 
over from WKOX to be a newswriter; he'd eventually become an editor, a 
weekend anchor and then depart for AP Network News, where he's now heard 
constantly.

Don Huff joined the fold in '94 after WHDH folded. Rod Fritz came over for 
a while, too, but he moved on to other things and ultimately became WRKO's 
news director circa 1997. It seems to me that there may have been some talk 
of bringing Listo Fisher back as well, but nothing came of it and he 
eventually ended up at WRKO with Rod.

Bob Ames moved over to WBUR around '94 or '95 and ended up down at WRNI in 
Providence for a while.

Flo Jonic joined us in '95 when Don Batting retired. I don't remember where 
she had been working before WBZ, but she's certainly become an institution now.

I think Flo was the last new hire before I left in January 1997; lots of 
voices have come and a few have gone since then, but I'll leave that to 
those who were around for it.

s

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jul 12 22:54:14 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon Jul 12 22:54:50 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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>As Scott recalls (correctly)--
>IIRC, Upton was already gone from BZ by then. When I signed on in the 
>spring of 1992, the schedule looked like this:
>
>5-10 AM WBZ Morning News - Gary LaPierre/Peter Meade/Gil Santos
>10-noon Tom Bergeron
>noon-1 WBZ Noon News - Jacquie Goddard/Deb Lawler (I think)
>1-3 Tom Bergeron (who'd been doing People Are Talking from 12:30-1 on 
>WBZ-TV in the meantime)
>3-7 WBZ Afternoon News - Anthony Silva/Diane Stern/Tom Cuddy sports
>7-midnight David Brudnoy (Darrell Gould on news)
>midnight-5 AM Bob Raleigh

WBZ evolved in gradual stages toward all-News.  They began cutting back on 
music in the mid 1980s, expanding afternoon drive into a news magazine in 
December of 1985 with the team of Anthony Silva and Diane Stern.  Brudnoy 
came over to WBZ in 1986.  I believe the final time the station played 
music at all was in 1991, because in January of 1992 WBZ announced to the 
local newspapers and other media that they were in the process of 
officially becoming an all-news station, a process they completed in late 
September of 1992.





From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Jul 12 22:57:51 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon Jul 12 22:57:56 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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<<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:54:14 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> music at all was in 1991, because in January of 1992 WBZ announced to the 
> local newspapers and other media that they were in the process of 
> officially becoming an all-news station, a process they completed in late 
> September of 1992.

What sort of official sanction is required to be recognised as
"all-news"?  And since 'BZ is only half-news in any case, how could
they be said to have completed such a process?

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Jul 12 23:03:56 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:03:32 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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At 10:57 PM 7/12/2004 -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
><<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:54:14 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:
>
> > music at all was in 1991, because in January of 1992 WBZ announced to the
> > local newspapers and other media that they were in the process of
> > officially becoming an all-news station, a process they completed in late
> > September of 1992.
>
>What sort of official sanction is required to be recognised as
>"all-news"?  And since 'BZ is only half-news in any case, how could
>they be said to have completed such a process?

Look, that's what the press release said, OK? And Susan Bickelhaupt not 
only printed it but even got the call letters right, so it MUST have been 
true. :-)

s

From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul 12 23:22:33 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:23:32 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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Remember WFAN was a dog on 1050. Then they bought WNBC and Imus.

The major overnight sport show was Tom Star's
Coming from Kendall Sq. The kid that ran it went to WEEI, Jason Wolfe.

Now WEEI is second overall to WBZ in the 12+ numbers. Is there any major 
market that has AMs ranked 1 and 2?

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:20pm, Sean Smyth wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:58:35 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>>  WEEI's first lineup was Andy Moes in the morning, then Dale Arnold and
>>  Eddie Andleman at 10 and Glenn Ordway and Janet Prensky at 2 and Craig
>>  Mustarf at night.
>>
>>  Nobody thought that format would last in Boston.. Now they maybe the
>>  biggest cash cow in town.
>
> I remember Upton Bell's famous quote... "Within a year they'll (WEEI) 
> be off the
> air."
>
> Remember, it was Eddie's hiring that precipitated the flip to sports. 
> The
> station was built around him.
>
> I believe at the time WEEI was only the sixth or seventh station in the 
> country
> to go all-sports -- WFAN had only flipped three years before, WIP a tad 
> more
> recently. The naysayers had reason to believe all-sports could flop.
>
> If there ever was a market for all-sports to succeed, it'd be this one.
From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul 12 23:32:34 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:32:46 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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Well WBZ only has 3 letters <g>

I m trying to remember now. Did the Celtics sell to Entercom or Atlantic 
first. (And then Salem buying 590)

RKO and HDH were at Channel 7, EEI in Charlestown.....

Infinity/CBS bought Atlantic but WHDH and WRKO were not included.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14pm, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> Look, that's what the press release said, OK? And Susan Bickelhaupt not 
> only printed it but even got the call letters right, so it MUST have 
> been true. :-)
>
> s
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Mon Jul 12 23:36:33 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:37:57 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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On 12 Jul 2004 at 22:54, Donna Halper wrote:

> WBZ evolved in gradual stages toward all-News.  They began cutting back on
> music in the mid 1980s, expanding afternoon drive into a news magazine in
> December of 1985 with the team of Anthony Silva and Diane Stern.  Brudnoy
> came over to WBZ in 1986.  I believe the final time the station played
> music at all was in 1991, because in January of 1992 WBZ announced to the
> local newspapers and other media that they were in the process of
> officially becoming an all-news station, a process they completed in late
> September of 1992.

Except that they recently carried the 'Let It Be -- Naked" debut, along with various other 
Infinity stations.

Didn't WBZ go all-news on weekdays only for awhile?  I seem to remember they missed 
covering Princess Di's death because they weren't doing news on weekends yet.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@tmail.com  Mon Jul 12 23:49:23 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon Jul 12 23:49:34 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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CBS Television went off the air saying Princess Di was resting 
comfortably in a Paris hospital

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Tue Jul 13 00:08:21 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue Jul 13 00:08:24 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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<<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:32:34 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> said:

> Well WBZ only has 3 letters <g>
> I m trying to remember now. Did the Celtics sell to Entercom or Atlantic 
> first. (And then Salem buying 590)

You've got your names and numbers mixed up a bit.

By the time I moved here, WEEI 590 was in the hands of Peter Ottmar's
Back Bay Broadcasting.  He sold the programming to American Radio,
which had already purchased WHDH, and kept 590 as business-talk WBNW.
That survived for a few years before Salem bought 590, moved the WEZE
calls there, and flipped 1260 to CCM "Praise" under the callsign WPZE,
which the latter kept for some time under Hibernia ownership before
becoming WMKI and selling to the Mouse.  Meanwhile, ARS flushed WHDH
in favor of WEEI's programming.  ARS also picked up 93.7 Lawrence from
Curt Gowdy, and 1440 and 107.3 in Worcester, reuniting an original
Boston duopoly from the 1930s; ARS also ended up with 1150 for a brief
moment after the failure of KidStar.  Meanwhile, Infinity (104.1) had
swallowed Cook Inlet (100.7) and Granum (which got 92.9 from Ackerley
and 99.5 from Arnie Lerner).  Pyramid (1430/107.9) bought 94.5 from
Ardman, then was bought by Evergreen, which became Chancellor, which
became AMFM, which became Clear Channel.  Westinghouse (1030)
swallowed CBS (103.3), and then went after Infinity, but could not fit
most of the Infinity properties under the ownership cap, so they spun
92.9 and 99.5 to Greater in exchange for KRLA (which is why WBOS
is/was licensed to Greater Los Angeles Radio, Inc.).  Mel's appetite
for acquisition being unsated, CBWesfinity then bought ARS, but to
avoid protracted anti-trust scrutiny agreed to spin off all of the ARS
Boston properties except Mix, which they ultimately did (after nearly
a year in trust) to Entercom.  That was Entercom's first entry in the
market, and I think still their only property in New England.  Greater
picked 105.7 up from Fairbanks as the family tried to wind up their
radio business.  1510 went through a series of owners and formats
without showing up in the ratings.  Ken Carberry tried to sell out to
Catholic Radio but ended up in the arms of Salem instead.  Finally,
Bernadette Nash sold out to Radio One.  Oh, and Sumner bought
CBWesfinity and ultimately pushed Mel out.

Throughout all of this, ownership of the following commercial stations
remained stable, although the names have changed):

WATD (Ed Perry)
WCRB (Charles River Broadcasting)
WESX/WJDA (Asher family)
WFNX/W267AI (Mindich Communications)
WHRB (Harvard Radio Broadcasting, Inc.)
WJIB (Bob Bittner)
WMJX (Greater Media)
WXRV (Steven A. Silberberg, Esq.)

-GAWollman

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Jul 13 00:14:02 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Jul 13 00:13:05 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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On 12 Jul 2004 at 22:49, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> CBS Television went off the air saying Princess Di was resting 
> comfortably in a Paris hospital

Well, I've had a pretty low opinion of CBS news for some time already.  One evening during 
the Gulf War in 1991, after the first Iraqi hits against Israel, Dan Rather reported that Israeli 
retaliation was under way.  He was the only one reporting that, and he was saying it very 
positively.  No other network reported the retaliation, since there was none.  Eventually, 
Rather simply stopped reporting it -- never saying they'd been wrong, just dropping the story.

Then there was the story I've told before in this forum of how WEEI falsely claimed to be 
covering Dukakis's walk down the Statehouse steps in January 1979.  On the day Ed King 
was inaugurated as governor, at noon, Dukakis made the traditional walk of an outgoing 
governor down the main Statehouse steps.  I was there watching.  On the transistor radio in 
my pocket, I heard WEEI carry the CBS network news on the hour.  By the time the network 
news was over, Dukakis had left, the crowd had dissipated, and WEEI came on and said 
that Dukakis was about to make the traditional walk down the Statehouse steps.  And then 
they pretended to be covering it live.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
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From kvahey@tmail.com  Tue Jul 13 00:19:05 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue Jul 13 00:19:19 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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Thanks Garrett  Back Bay is the one I forgot.

I remember 7 years ago Entercom simulcasted at times WEEI and WAAF on 
1150.


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:08am, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:32:34 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> 
> said:
>
>>  Well WBZ only has 3 letters <g>
>>  I m trying to remember now. Did the Celtics sell to Entercom or 
>> Atlantic
>>  first. (And then Salem buying 590)
>
> You've got your names and numbers mixed up a bit.
>
From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Tue Jul 13 00:37:30 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue Jul 13 00:37:33 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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<<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:19:05 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> said:

> I remember 7 years ago Entercom simulcasted at times WEEI and WAAF on 
> 1150.

Nope -- would still have been ARS back then.  (Entercom never owned
1150 TTBOMK.)  I don't recall ever hearing 1150 // 850, but I not only
recall 1150 // 107.3 but have the recordings in the Archives to prove
it!

I also finally got a new legal from 107.3 with its new community of
license.

Erm, excuse me one moment....

<span voice="God">
MEMO TO ALL PROGRAM DIRECTORS

IF YOU SCHEDULE A MIC SET AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR, YOU MUST REPEAT MUST
LEGALLY IDENTIFY YOUR STATION AT THAT TIME.  PART 73 OFFERS NO ROOM
FOR ARGUMENT ON THIS POINT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

MGMT.

P.S.: THIS MEANS YOU, JONATHAN ZELLNER.
</span>

Sorry, I don't know what got over me.

-GAWollman

From kvahey@tmail.com  Tue Jul 13 00:43:33 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue Jul 13 00:43:57 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
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In 1997 1150 simulcasted Sox games as they were painting the towers in 
Needham ( as the story went)

Living in Porter Sq at the time I was a happy camper.

But I do remember they would simulcast WAAF during the day.


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:37am, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:19:05 -0500, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@tmail.com> 
> said:
>
>>  I remember 7 years ago Entercom simulcasted at times WEEI and WAAF on
>>  1150.
>
> Nope -- would still have been ARS back then.  (Entercom never owned
> 1150 TTBOMK.)  I don't recall ever hearing 1150 // 850, but I not only
> recall 1150 // 107.3 but have the recordings in the Archives to prove
> it!
>
> I also finally got a new legal from 107.3 with its new community of
> license.
>
> Erm, excuse me one moment....
>
> <span voice="God">
> MEMO TO ALL PROGRAM DIRECTORS
>
> IF YOU SCHEDULE A MIC SET AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR, YOU MUST REPEAT MUST
> LEGALLY IDENTIFY YOUR STATION AT THAT TIME.  PART 73 OFFERS NO ROOM
> FOR ARGUMENT ON THIS POINT.
>
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
>
> MGMT.
>
> P.S.: THIS MEANS YOU, JONATHAN ZELLNER.
> </span>
>
> Sorry, I don't know what got over me.
>
> -GAWollman
From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Jul 13 09:27:41 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Jul 13 09:28:04 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <200407130408.i6D48LIB000147@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c468dd$2da0f1c0$0200a8c0@boneill>

Garrett writes:
and Granum (which got 92.9 from Ackerley
> and 99.5 from Arnie Lerner).  Pyramid (1430/107.9) bought 94.5 from
> Ardman, then was bought by Evergreen, which became Chancellor, which
> became AMFM, which became Clear Channel.

Phew!  And all in one breath? It was Noble Broadcasting, San Diego, that bought
99.5 from original owner, Arnold Lerner from 19.5 mill, considered a huge price
then. Lerner would then buy 94.5 with 4 mill. still left in the bank from the
WSSH sale.  Not sure who he bought it from since that was after 94.5 swapped
studios with 92.9. 92.9 and 850 would cohabitate the Stuart Street studios under
separate ownership for a time. <Memory fogging up SFX out>

Bill O'Neill


From DonKelley@aol.com  Tue Jul 13 12:32:32 2004
From: DonKelley@aol.com (DonKelley@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 13 12:32:53 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <2A24AE7E.7452E990.0238A7FB@aol.com>

It was Sconnix who owned WHDH 850 and WBOS 92.9 when they were on Stuart Street.


In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:27:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net> writes:

>Garrett writes:
>and Granum (which got 92.9 from Ackerley
>> and 99.5 from Arnie Lerner). ?Pyramid (1430/107.9) bought 94.5 from
>> Ardman, then was bought by Evergreen, which became Chancellor, which
>> became AMFM, which became Clear Channel.
>
>Phew! ?And all in one breath? It was Noble Broadcasting, San Diego, that bought
>99.5 from original owner, Arnold Lerner from 19.5 mill, considered a huge price
>then. Lerner would then buy 94.5 with 4 mill. still left in the bank from the
>WSSH sale. ?Not sure who he bought it from since that was after 94.5 swapped
>studios with 92.9. 92.9 and 850 would cohabitate the Stuart Street studios under
>separate ownership for a time. <Memory fogging up SFX out>
>
>Bill O'Neill
>
>
>
From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jul 13 17:13:43 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Tue Jul 13 17:14:31 2004
Subject: WBIX testing
Message-ID: <002401c4691e$6500c0a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

They were still at it today. They went back to normal daytime operation at
5:00 PM sharp. For sure, they have been running the new nigfht pattern
during the day. Today, my curiosity got the best of me. I drove out Route
117, then north on 27 and 62 to Route 2, then east on 2 to get home. In the
E Acton/W Concord area (within sight of the WBNW towers), 1060 disappeared
completely and was replaced by 1120 on my car radio (even though the radio
remained tuned to 1060). When WBIX is running either its D or CH pattern,
the signal in that area is HUGE. When I turned onto Route 2 to head home,
1060 emerged from the background noise and became quite strong within about
1/10 of a mile. This is consistent with the night pattern displayed by Bob
Carpenter's AMSTNS program.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Tue Jul 13 21:11:50 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Tue Jul 13 21:10:48 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <200407132111.AA94765172@mail.ttlc.net>

Scott Fybush wrote:
>10-noon Tom Bergeron
>noon-1 WBZ Noon News - Jacquie Goddard/Deb Lawler (I think)
>1-3 Tom Bergeron (who'd been doing People Are Talking from 12:30-1 on 
>WBZ-TV in the meantime)

Steve Leveille mentioned the Beregeron Split Shift just last 
night and characterised it as the "stupidest" shift he'd
ever heard of.  He intimated his lack of respect for the
person who created it and hoped (aloud) that he/she was 
no longer working in Boston or in earshot of WBZ.


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul 13 21:59:11 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Jul 13 21:58:48 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <200407132111.AA94765172@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>

At 09:11 PM 7/13/2004 -0400, rogerkirk wrote:
>Scott Fybush wrote:
> >10-noon Tom Bergeron
> >noon-1 WBZ Noon News - Jacquie Goddard/Deb Lawler (I think)
> >1-3 Tom Bergeron (who'd been doing People Are Talking from 12:30-1 on
> >WBZ-TV in the meantime)
>
>Steve Leveille mentioned the Beregeron Split Shift just last
>night and characterised it as the "stupidest" shift he'd
>ever heard of.  He intimated his lack of respect for the
>person who created it and hoped (aloud) that he/she was
>no longer working in Boston or in earshot of WBZ.

I don't think the Bergeron split shift was all that stupid for the 
listeners...but it sure did keep Tom hopping! (OTOH, the fact that he could 
handle that crazed schedule was a pretty good recommendation for him later 
on in his career.)

Based on when that shift started, I'd have to think that it was either a 
Tyler Cox or a David Bernstein innovation. Tyler's now PD of Salem's talk 
radio network, having just come off a stint as OM of KRLD in Dallas. I'm 
not sure David's working full-time anywhere at the moment; the last FT gig 
of his that I can remember was at WOR, and it didn't end especially well.

If Peter Casey's still lurking on the list, he'd know for sure...maybe 
he'll at least drop me a hint in private e-mail if I've guessed right :-)

s

From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Tue Jul 13 22:28:22 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Tue Jul 13 22:27:22 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7A2D8391-D53D-11D8-846E-000393D13824@mindspring.com>


On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 09:59  PM, Scott Fybush wrote:

>  I'm not sure David's working full-time anywhere at the moment; the 
> last FT gig of his that I can remember was at WOR, and it didn't end 
> especially well.

David Bernstein's picture was just in one of the trades (R&R, I think) 
as a panelist at a recent convention.  The caption said he's PD at 
WPRO-AM in Providence.  Further Googling to the Providence Journal 
website gives his job title as Director of News and Operations, and 
that he's had the job for almost exactly one year.

Mark

From kvahey@tmail.com  Tue Jul 13 22:47:58 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue Jul 13 22:48:23 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1089773284.1F57F6D2@s5.dngr.org>

It is amazing to see how this has played out. Could anybody have 
predicted WEEI would overtake WRKO? Talk96 certainly hurt WRKO and I 
believe part of the problem stems from Howie Carr doing a regional show 
instead of pure local.

Scott might know how Entercom's similar situation is doing in Buffalo 
with WGR and WBEN.
From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Jul 13 23:07:55 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Jul 13 23:08:10 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <1089773284.1F57F6D2@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <002501c4694f$c2ac9680$0200a8c0@boneill>

...and I
> believe part of the problem stems from Howie Carr doing a
> regional show
> instead of pure local.

I check out Howie once in awhile here from his Burlington, VT affiliate.  Being
from the area, I "get" the local stuff, the colloquialisms, the local humor,
even the accents.  Carr does little to connect with the Vermont listeners.  And
I don't think he should, so long as he hopes to garner any of his apparently
dwindling Boston market share on the mother ship.  I just don't see the upside
to syndication for that particular show.  I've grown to enjoy Carr more than I
did in the past, but I still think what's missing is that "digger" attitude he
used to portray even back on Jerry's show as one of the "governors."

Bill O'Neill
Shoreham, Vt.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul 13 23:15:17 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Jul 13 23:14:52 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <1089773284.1F57F6D2@s5.dngr.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713230518.035d6980@gwind.pair.com>

At 09:47 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>It is amazing to see how this has played out. Could anybody have predicted 
>WEEI would overtake WRKO? Talk96 certainly hurt WRKO and I believe part of 
>the problem stems from Howie Carr doing a regional show instead of pure local.
>
>Scott might know how Entercom's similar situation is doing in Buffalo with 
>WGR and WBEN.

It's only similar on the surface, really. Unlike Boston, Entercom quite 
literally owns the AM audience in Buffalo. There's no WBZ to compete with - 
WGR and WBEN are it as far as mass-audience AM signals go, and the only 
other full-market-coverage signal that could conceivably compete (1520) is 
also owned by Entercom. Entercom also just spent $10.5 million to buy out 
the FM signal that was competing with WGR on sports.

On top of that, Buffalo's proximity to the border and the happenstance that 
two of the biggest commercial-band FM signals in town are operated as 
noncomms (classical WNED-FM 94.5 and religious WDCX 99.5), and you have a 
market that's so under-FM-ed that nobody will try to go after WBEN and WGR 
from that end of the dial.

So Entercom effectively bought itself a monopoly there, and WBEN and WGR do 
well almost by default.

s

From kvahey@tmail.com  Tue Jul 13 23:41:20 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue Jul 13 23:41:56 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713230518.035d6980@gwind.pair.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040713215520.03350b68@gwind.pair.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040713230518.035d6980@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1089776507.1A2F4C22@s5.dngr.org>

I have always had a fondness for the Buffalo market having worked there 
30 years ago when WUTV started.

What amazed me was WKBW 1520 was ignored by the locals. WYSL at 1400 
owned Top 40 and WPHD was a great FM signal.

WGR was the powerhouse with a great daytime signal with WBEN a close 
second. But WGR felt like family, much as you see with WGN and WCCO.

I do find it amusing that the 1230 slot has done well in recent years 
after its WNIA days that would have made Simon Geller look like a big 
time operator.

TV wise it was a fantastic market for local news with 2 WGR 4 WBEN 
(WIVB) and 7 WKBW.
Irv Weinstein was a legend, and Steve Rowan hired from CBS made it 
interesting.

But the metro area died.

Sidenote, at least back then people in Toronto watched Buffalo news as 
CBLT and CFTO were boring.


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:14pm, Scott Fybush wrote:

> It's only similar on the surface, really. Unlike Boston, Entercom quite 
> literally owns the AM audience in Buffalo. There's no WBZ to compete 
> with - WGR and WBEN are it as far as mass-audience AM signals go, and 
> the only other full-market-coverage signal that could conceivably 
> compete (1520) is also owned by Entercom. Entercom also just spent 
> $10.5 million to buy out the FM signal that was competing with WGR on 
> sports.
>
>
> So Entercom effectively bought itself a monopoly there, and WBEN and 
> WGR do well almost by default.
>
> s
From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Wed Jul 14 01:18:44 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Wed Jul 14 01:17:36 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
Message-ID: <200407140118.AA76677174@mail.ttlc.net>

Scott Fybush wrote:
>I don't think the Bergeron split shift was all that stupid for the 
>listeners...but it sure did keep Tom hopping! (OTOH, the fact that he 
>could handle that crazed schedule was a pretty good recommendation for 
>him later on in his career.)

I think Steve was talking in terms of the affect on 
the talent, not the listener.

From garyfrancis@comcast.net  Mon Jul 12 23:16:34 2004
From: garyfrancis@comcast.net (Gary Francis)
Date: Wed Jul 14 12:42:31 2004
Subject: What is Ch 5 thinking!?!
Message-ID: <00e501c46887$cd903430$6500a8c0@office>

I'm watching a freeze frame on my tivo from the 11pm news on Ch 5 tonight.
It is at 2 minutes into the newscast.  NH governor Benson is being
interviewed and to his left is a young teen with a "f-ck fear" tv
predominately displayed to the left of the governors shoulder.  Didn't the
editor of the piece see that!   This is a keeper.


From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 12:54:37 2004
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Wed Jul 14 12:55:03 2004
Subject: What is Ch 5 thinking!?!
References: <00e501c46887$cd903430$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <003601c469c3$423c3e00$1404fea9@xyz>


From: "Gary Francis"

> I'm watching a freeze frame on my tivo from the 11pm news on Ch 5 tonight.
> It is at 2 minutes into the newscast.  NH governor Benson is being
> interviewed and to his left is a young teen with a "f-ck fear" tv
> predominately displayed to the left of the governors shoulder.  Didn't the
> editor of the piece see that!   This is a keeper.


And who says we don't all need a Tivo...?  ;-)

JP

From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 14 12:56:48 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Wed Jul 14 12:57:00 2004
Subject: What is Ch 5 thinking!?!
References: <00e501c46887$cd903430$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <006001c469c3$8e184170$6500a8c0@office>

That should read "tee-shirt" predominately displayed to the left of the
governors shoulder.

Never mind spell checker, I need a thought checker!

From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul 14 13:28:18 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul 14 13:28:35 2004
Subject: DePetro leaves WHJJ for WRKO
Message-ID: <1089826101.67C399C@r31.dngr.org>

Providence talk show host John DePetro has accepted an offer at WRKO 
replacing Pat Whitley.
From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Jul 14 13:49:51 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed Jul 14 13:49:54 2004
Subject: [Christopher A. Davis: RE: 1960's programming question]
Message-ID: <200407141749.i6EHnpDc019930@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

This correspondent is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm
posting his question for him.

------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Message-ID: <F78650832E42D748B088871DEEC369463BE0E3@XCH-VN02.sph.ad.jhsph.edu>
From: "Christopher A. Davis" <cadavis@jhsph.edu>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: RE: 1960's programming question
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:18 -0400

The message was just plain text...I pasted the text below in case you
might be able to forward it to the list, if not no big deal. Thanks for
your help, take care

Chris

*************
This is kind of a shot in the dark, but is there any chance you know of
a programmer during the 60's that ended his broadcasts with a slogan
somewhat like "Our mission is to inspire, to enlighten, to educate,
etc."  I'm interested in the exact wording of the statement, not so much
the programmer's name. Thanks for your help.

Chris Davis
cadavis@jhsph.edu
------- end -------
From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 14 16:22:33 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Wed Jul 14 16:22:43 2004
Subject: [Christopher A. Davis: RE: 1960's programming question]
References: <200407141749.i6EHnpDc019930@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <007c01c469e0$4bb39e70$6500a8c0@office>

That was part of the WGBH-TV nightly sign-off

-Gary's Ice Cream
Chelmsford, MA
www.garysicecream.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: [Christopher A. Davis: RE: 1960's programming question]


> This correspondent is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm
> posting his question for him.
>
> ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
> Message-ID:
<F78650832E42D748B088871DEEC369463BE0E3@XCH-VN02.sph.ad.jhsph.edu>
> From: "Christopher A. Davis" <cadavis@jhsph.edu>
> To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
> Subject: RE: 1960's programming question
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:18 -0400
>
> The message was just plain text...I pasted the text below in case you
> might be able to forward it to the list, if not no big deal. Thanks for
> your help, take care
>
> Chris
>
> *************
> This is kind of a shot in the dark, but is there any chance you know of
> a programmer during the 60's that ended his broadcasts with a slogan
> somewhat like "Our mission is to inspire, to enlighten, to educate,
> etc."  I'm interested in the exact wording of the statement, not so much
> the programmer's name. Thanks for your help.
>
> Chris Davis
> cadavis@jhsph.edu
> ------- end -------

From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul 14 16:45:09 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul 14 16:45:25 2004
Subject: [Christopher A. Davis: RE: 1960's programming question]
In-Reply-To: <007c01c469e0$4bb39e70$6500a8c0@office>
References: <200407141749.i6EHnpDc019930@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
	<007c01c469e0$4bb39e70$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <1089837913.229C209D@r5.dngr.org>

It was read by David Ives and had a harpsicord in the background.



On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 4:38pm, gic wrote:
> That was part of the WGBH-TV nightly sign-off
>
> -Gary's Ice Cream
> Chelmsford, MA
> www.garysicecream.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:49 PM
> Subject: [Christopher A. Davis: RE: 1960's programming question]
>
>
>>  This correspondent is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm
>>  posting his question for him.
>>
>>  ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
>>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>>  Content-Type: text/plain;
>>  charset="us-ascii"
>>  Message-ID:
> <F78650832E42D748B088871DEEC369463BE0E3@XCH-VN02.sph.ad.jhsph.edu>
>>  From: "Christopher A. Davis" <cadavis@jhsph.edu>
>>  To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
>>  Subject: RE: 1960's programming question
>>  Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:18 -0400
>>
>>  The message was just plain text...I pasted the text below in case you
>>  might be able to forward it to the list, if not no big deal. Thanks 
>> for
>>  your help, take care
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>>  *************
>>  This is kind of a shot in the dark, but is there any chance you know 
>> of
>>  a programmer during the 60's that ended his broadcasts with a slogan
>>  somewhat like "Our mission is to inspire, to enlighten, to educate,
>>  etc."  I'm interested in the exact wording of the statement, not so 
>> much
>>  the programmer's name. Thanks for your help.
>>
>>  Chris Davis
>>  cadavis@jhsph.edu
>>  ------- end -------
From raccoonradio@myway.com  Wed Jul 14 16:51:46 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed Jul 14 16:51:59 2004
Subject: DePetro leaves WHJJ for WRKO
Message-ID: <20040714205146.76A7312D24@mprdmxin.myway.com>


>>Providence talk show host John DePetro has accepted an offer at WRKO replacing Pat Whitley.

Is Whitley "giving up" his morning show (but keeping the restaurant show)? Or does WRKO feel DePetro would get better ratings than
Whitley? If it's the former, maybe Pat just wants to semi-retire.

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Wed Jul 14 16:54:42 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed Jul 14 16:54:54 2004
Subject: DePetro for Whitley
Message-ID: <20040714205442.D1E7B12D2F@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Had asked why Pat Whitley was leaving WRKO's midday slot (in favor of John DePetro) but just got my answer via BostonRadioWatch: He is
indeed wishing to cut back on his workload (or "semi-retire",
perhaps):

http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2004/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.074.html



_______________________________________________
No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
From kvahey@tmail.com  Wed Jul 14 17:13:01 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed Jul 14 17:13:12 2004
Subject: DePetro for Whitley
In-Reply-To: <20040714205442.D1E7B12D2F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20040714205442.D1E7B12D2F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <1089839584.1A3103A7@s29.dngr.org>

Link to Providence Journal story announcing DePetro leaving WHJJ

http://www.projo.com/news/content/projo_20040714_depetro14.2a2f3f.html

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 5:09pm, Bob Nelson wrote:
>
> Had asked why Pat Whitley was leaving WRKO's midday slot (in favor of 
> John DePetro) but just got my answer via BostonRadioWatch: He is
> indeed wishing to cut back on his workload (or "semi-retire",
> perhaps):
>
> http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2004/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.074.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
From lglavin@lycos.com  Wed Jul 14 17:44:52 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed Jul 14 17:45:00 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
Message-ID: <20040714214452.386F986AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

The all-seeing, all-knowing, ever-perspicacious Aldermen (women?)
of Newton, Massachusetts have decreed that the proposed towers
for WUNR-AM 1600, WKOX-AM 1200 and WRCA-AM 1330 must NOT be
erected in the Oak Hill Park Section of Needham.  This news,
along with a link (via Adobe reader) displaying the details
of this finding can be found at the Boston Radio Watch
for July 13th:

http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2004/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.073.html

Will CCU dump 'KOX and perhaps even abandon plans for a pumped-up
AM facility in Boston?;  could they consider a purchase of the
doomed WWZN?; will they retry the process at another site?
Stay alert.
-- 
_______________________________________________
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http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

From radiolist@fybush.com  Wed Jul 14 17:54:19 2004
From: radiolist@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed Jul 14 17:54:22 2004
Subject: I'll be on the CBC tomorrow morning...
Message-ID: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>

...at least for all those English-speaking listeners in Quebec communities
outside Montreal, like Quebec City, Sherbrooke, Trois-Rivieres, Waswanipi
and Wemindji :-)

Seriously, though, I'll be interviewed at 7:45 on "AM Quebec" about the
CRTC's decision yesterday to revoke the license of CHOI in Quebec City
because of some of the things its morning show has said and done over the
last few years, and about the differences between U.S. and Canadian
broadcast regulation.

Those few list members who live within earshot of the border and can hear
91.7 from Sherbrooke may want to tune in; I believe there's also audio
streaming of both the "Radio 1 Quebec City" and "Radio 1 Quebec North"
signals, which will be carrying the show.

I'll leave it to the esteemed M. Wollman to share with the list the
frequencies for Waswanipi and Wemindji...

s
From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Wed Jul 14 18:13:30 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Wed Jul 14 18:13:47 2004
Subject: What is Ch 5 thinking!?!
Message-ID: <40F5B00A.147B1C77@Programmer.Net>

Gary Francis wrote,

> I'm watching a freeze frame on my tivo from the 11pm news on Ch 5
> tonight.
> It is at 2 minutes into the newscast.  NH governor Benson is being
> interviewed and to his left is a young teen with a "f-ck fear" tv
> predominately displayed to the left of the governors shoulder.
> Didn't the editor of the piece see that!   This is a keeper.

This may be the second lapse in editing/judgment in as many days
by them.
On Sunday's reporting of the fireworks accident down on the Cape,
an eyewitness cook in a nearby restaurant says (at least it sounds
it) something to the effect of "I thought, 'sh-t, the whole place
sounds like its gonna go'"!
After hearing it the first time, I listened closely to the re-airings
of the report, and the expletive appeared definite (and even if it
wasn't--hey, particularly with the media, perception IS reality!).

     ~Kaimbridge~

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From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul 14 18:17:00 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul 14 18:17:12 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
Message-ID: <200407142217.SAA25452@webmail2.cac.psu.edu>

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:44:52 +0000, "Laurence Glavin" wrote:
> Will CCU dump 'KOX and perhaps even abandon plans for a pumped-up
> AM facility in Boston?;  could they consider a purchase of the
> doomed WWZN?; will they retry the process at another site?

PING: Dan S.
Could CC buy WWZN, take over the transmitter lease, then diplex 1510 and 1200
from the same site in a semi-cost-efficient manner?

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Jul 14 19:25:07 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed Jul 14 19:25:10 2004
Subject: I'll be on the CBC tomorrow morning...
In-Reply-To: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
References: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
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<<On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:54:19 -0400 (EDT), "Scott Fybush" <radiolist@fybush.com> said:

> I'll leave it to the esteemed M. Wollman to share with the list the
> frequencies for Waswanipi and Wemindji...

I'll just leave it to Mr. Friendly Announcer Dude:

<http://audio.bostonradio.org/24504584-b349-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg>

-GAWollman

From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Wed Jul 14 21:27:09 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Wed Jul 14 21:26:11 2004
Subject: I'll be on the CBC tomorrow morning...
In-Reply-To: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
Message-ID: <176DB293-D5FE-11D8-846E-000393D13824@mindspring.com>


On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 05:54  PM, Scott Fybush wrote:

> Seriously, though, I'll be interviewed at 7:45 on "AM Quebec" about the
> CRTC's decision yesterday to revoke the license of CHOI in Quebec City
> because of some of the things its morning show has said and done over 
> the
> last few years, and about the differences between U.S. and Canadian
> broadcast regulation.
>
> Those few list members who live within earshot of the border and can 
> hear
> 91.7 from Sherbrooke may want to tune in; I believe there's also audio
> streaming of both the "Radio 1 Quebec City" and "Radio 1 Quebec North"
> signals, which will be carrying the show.

Streaming audio here:

http://www.cbc.ca/audio.html#

Click on "Quebec City" on the map.

Mark

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Jul 14 21:40:20 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed Jul 14 21:40:27 2004
Subject: A look back to 1991
References: <200407132111.AA94765172@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <007201c46a0c$b0e1db00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rogerkirk" <rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: "BRI" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: A look back to 1991


> Steve Leveille mentioned the Beregeron Split Shift just last
> night and characterised it as the "stupidest" shift he'd
> ever heard of.

I wonder what he would think of the split shift that the main anchors at
WMTW do: They due the news from 6 to 7AM, the updates on Good Morning
America, and the news again at 6 PM.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Jul 14 21:45:22 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed Jul 14 21:45:26 2004
Subject: I'll be on the CBC tomorrow morning...
References: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
Message-ID: <00ab01c46a0d$64aee880$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

Another reason we need to do something about Canada . . . 

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Jul 14 22:34:24 2004
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed Jul 14 22:30:03 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
Message-ID: <E1Bkw0W-0000Lx-00@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

>From:	"Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@lycos.com>
>To:	boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
>Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:44:52 -0500
>Subject:	Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
>
>The all-seeing, all-knowing, ever-perspicacious Aldermen (women?)
>of Newton, Massachusetts have decreed that the proposed towers
>for WUNR-AM 1600, WKOX-AM 1200 and WRCA-AM 1330 must NOT be
>erected in the Oak Hill Park Section of Needham.

Oak Hill Park is in Newton (not Needham).

Eli Polonsky
From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Jul 14 22:30:59 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Wed Jul 14 22:31:10 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
References: <200407142217.SAA25452@webmail2.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <001301c46a13$ccc06420$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Technically, the 1510 site looks quite workable for 1200. But the NIMBY
problems would probably be even more severe. The population within the 1 V/m
"blanketing" contour (or even the 7V/m contour, which consutling engineers
consider to be more realistic for blanketing) is much greater because the
population density is higher near Waverley Sq than it is in Oak Hill. If a
different site is the answer, the thing for CCU to do would be to sell 1200
to Entercom and watch to see how they resolve the problem. A move of 850 to
the WRKO site in Burlington might still be possible and would free up the
WEEI site in Needham for WKOX and WRCA. It's unclear whether Needham would
work for WUNR--at least with the proposed 20 kW. Higher power for WUNR could
necessitate more towers. And don't overlook the NIMBY problems in Burlington
and Needham. My guess is that CCU will take this to court and the legal
battle will drag on for years more. It wouldn't surpise me if what finally
ended the case was the demise of the AM band. Remember, as long as the court
option is in play and no towers are coming down or going up, the NIMBYs are
winning.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psu.edu>
To: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@lycos.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed


> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:44:52 +0000, "Laurence Glavin" wrote:
> > Will CCU dump 'KOX and perhaps even abandon plans for a pumped-up
> > AM facility in Boston?;  could they consider a purchase of the
> > doomed WWZN?; will they retry the process at another site?
>
> PING: Dan S.
> Could CC buy WWZN, take over the transmitter lease, then diplex 1510 and
1200
> from the same site in a semi-cost-efficient manner?
>

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Jul 14 22:47:48 2004
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed Jul 14 22:47:58 2004
Subject: Pre-announcement announcement
In-Reply-To: <004101c449e6$5f190f00$6500a8c0@office>
References: <200406030522.i535M6Er002055@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
	<004101c449e6$5f190f00$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <40F5F054.6020300@gabrielmass.com>

gic wrote:
> I've tried RealPlayer, QuickTime, Windows Media Player, Cool Edit Pro -
> nothing recognizes the .ogg format!?!
> 

I believe Winamp can play the .ogg format with a "plug-in".  For info, see:

http://www.angrycoffee.com/tutorials/vorbis/oggwin.html

--RC


From scott@fybush.com  Wed Jul 14 23:42:22 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed Jul 14 23:41:58 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <001301c46a13$ccc06420$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <200407142217.SAA25452@webmail2.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>

At 10:30 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, Dan Strassberg wrote:
>Technically, the 1510 site looks quite workable for 1200. But the NIMBY
>problems would probably be even more severe. The population within the 1 V/m
>"blanketing" contour (or even the 7V/m contour, which consutling engineers
>consider to be more realistic for blanketing) is much greater because the
>population density is higher near Waverley Sq than it is in Oak Hill. If a
>different site is the answer, the thing for CCU to do would be to sell 1200
>to Entercom and watch to see how they resolve the problem. A move of 850 to
>the WRKO site in Burlington might still be possible and would free up the
>WEEI site in Needham for WKOX and WRCA. It's unclear whether Needham would
>work for WUNR--at least with the proposed 20 kW. Higher power for WUNR could
>necessitate more towers. And don't overlook the NIMBY problems in Burlington
>and Needham. My guess is that CCU will take this to court and the legal
>battle will drag on for years more. It wouldn't surpise me if what finally
>ended the case was the demise of the AM band. Remember, as long as the court
>option is in play and no towers are coming down or going up, the NIMBYs are
>winning.

Here's what I think (beyond a big "I told you so" to some acquaintances at 
CCU who may have thought this was more of a sure thing than it turned out 
to be...):

Having read the statement from the Newton Alderpersons, I think they're on 
semi-weak ground in one way - they seem to believe that they have some sort 
of regulatory power over the RF that the site will put out. Legally (and 
IANAL, but this I know) they don't. The best they can do is approve or deny 
building permits.

If I had been the one handling the whole thing, I would have gone about it 
in an altogether different way. I would have filed the building permit 
applications solely under the guise of WUNR. I might even have gone so far 
as to have paid an engineer to cobble together an app for WUNR that called 
for nothing more than 5 kw DA-2, albeit with the five 199' towers instead 
of the two taller ones. THAT application would have been much harder for 
the city to have denied, since it wouldn't have increased the RF to the 
neighbors and it would have reduced the visual impact of the tall towers.

Only once those five short sticks were built, along with the appropriately 
oversized buildings to service them, would I have filed the apps for the 
WUNR power increase and the WRCA/WKOX moves. At that point, it's pure 
federal jurisdiction and there's not a thing Newton could have done to stop 
it.

Dirty pool? No more so than stopping a perfectly good application by 
claiming that it might "affect the mental health" of the neighbors.

(It is, of course, now entirely too late to do anything of the sort; the 
well is poisoned in THAT neighborhood for now and all eternity.)

s

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Thu Jul 15 00:47:20 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu Jul 15 00:46:20 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>
References: <001301c46a13$ccc06420$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <40F5D418.23947.72D2AA@localhost>

On 14 Jul 2004 at 23:42, Scott Fybush wrote:

> If I had been the one handling the whole thing, I would have gone about it
> in an altogether different way. I would have filed the building permit
> applications solely under the guise of WUNR. I might even have gone so far
> as to have paid an engineer to cobble together an app for WUNR that called
> for nothing more than 5 kw DA-2, albeit with the five 199' towers instead
> of the two taller ones. THAT application would have been much harder for
> the city to have denied, since it wouldn't have increased the RF to the
> neighbors and it would have reduced the visual impact of the tall towers.
> 
> Only once those five short sticks were built, along with the appropriately
> oversized buildings to service them, would I have filed the apps for the
> WUNR power increase and the WRCA/WKOX moves. At that point, it's pure
> federal jurisdiction and there's not a thing Newton could have done to
> stop it.
 
You have the makings of a lawyer!

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@tmail.com  Thu Jul 15 01:16:16 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu Jul 15 01:16:28 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>
References: <200407142217.SAA25452@webmail2.cac.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1089868580.466667B@w37.dngr.org>

The biggest thing in play here is the real estate value of the sites. My 
guess is WEEI is sitting on very valuable land in Needham that "could" 
be developed.

But does Entercom own it? American Radio morphed into American Towers 
which is an accountants nightmare. I suspect the Burlington site is the 
best suited for at least 850.

And who owns the 1150 site in Lexington?
From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul 15 06:54:08 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu Jul 15 06:55:38 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
Message-ID: <s0f62a2a.017@entbalhs1>

>>they seem to believe that they have some sort of regulatory power over the RF that the site will put out.<<

It seems to be endemic these days.  After all, the FCC and Congress have repeatedly shown that they think they can alter the laws of physics.

>>Only once those five short sticks were built, along with the appropriately oversized buildings to service them, would I have filed the apps for the WUNR power increase and the WRCA/WKOX moves. At that point, it's pure federal jurisdiction and there's not a thing Newton could have done to stop it.<<

Such a drastic increase in radiated power from the site, while not under local jurisdiction, triggers an FCC requirement for an environmental impact study, which could ultimately have the same result, especially given the number of residences close to the site.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul 15 07:37:39 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu Jul 15 07:37:17 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <1089868580.466667B@w37.dngr.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>
	<200407142217.SAA25452@webmail2.cac.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040714223537.0391bca0@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040715073445.038c5938@gwind.pair.com>

At 12:16 AM 7/15/2004 -0500, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>The biggest thing in play here is the real estate value of the sites. My 
>guess is WEEI is sitting on very valuable land in Needham that "could" be 
>developed.
>
>But does Entercom own it? American Radio morphed into American Towers 
>which is an accountants nightmare. I suspect the Burlington site is the 
>best suited for at least 850.

Entercom does indeed own both the 680 and 850 sites.

The 850 site isn't particularly developable for two reasons; first, it's 
largely wetland and there would be major environmental issues with trying 
to drain it, and second, there's no public road access to it - you have to 
go through the Needham Rod and Gun Club, or whatever it's called, to get 
back there. It could never be built today if it hadn't been there since 
1940-whatever.

680's even wetter.

>And who owns the 1150 site in Lexington?

That one's an American Tower site all the way...

s

From kvahey@tmail.com  Thu Jul 15 12:31:31 2004
From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu Jul 15 12:31:44 2004
Subject: Gutter Helmet TV spots
Message-ID: <1089909094.3A0E7544@s29.dngr.org>

I m down in Pawtucket and notice that Arlene Violet does the Gutter 
Helmet ads in RI similar to Dave Manyard in Boston. Obviously they 
target local radio people to do ads. Is this the case elsewhere?

BTW Dave does not look well in those commercials
From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 15:56:50 2004
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Thu Jul 15 15:56:58 2004
Subject: Gutter Helmet TV spots
In-Reply-To: <1089909094.3A0E7544@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20040715195651.21450.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com>

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:31:31 -0500 Kevin Vahey
<kvahey@tmail.com> wrote:

> I m down in Pawtucket and notice that Arlene Violet
> does the Gutter 
> Helmet ads in RI similar to Dave Manyard in Boston.
> Obviously they 
> target local radio people to do ads. Is this the
> case elsewhere?

Yep.  Here in the Hudson Valley of NY, Bob Miller,
morning host of Mix 97 (WCZX/WZAD) does the spots for
Gutter Helmet.  I also recall hearing Willard Scott
doing some spots for Gutter Helmet around here as
well, so I think they also do some national buys wityh
a nationally known talent.

                             Matt Osborne
                             Poughkeepsie, NY


		
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From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 15:59:56 2004
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Thu Jul 15 16:00:05 2004
Subject: I'll be on the CBC tomorrow morning...
In-Reply-To: <51318.66.36.29.157.1089842059.squirrel@66.36.29.157>
Message-ID: <20040715195957.94880.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:54:19 -0400 Scott Fybush
<radiolist@fybush.com> wrote:
> I'll be interviewed at 7:45 on
> "AM Quebec" about the
> CRTC's decision yesterday to revoke the license of
> CHOI in Quebec City
> because of some of the things its morning show has
> said and done over the
> last few years, and about the differences between
> U.S. and Canadian
> broadcast regulation.

Does anyone have tape of this interview, or know if
the CBC keeps these things archived online?

                                Matt Osborne
                                Poughkeepsie, NY  


		
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From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Jul 15 17:09:51 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Jul 15 17:08:41 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
Message-ID: <200407151709.AA1068105860@mail.ttlc.net>

Yesterday's commentary from Gary was about the upcoming Democratic National Conveention and it's expected effect on Boston and it's residents.  Basically, he said we're all a bunch of cry-babys and should "suck it up" and take it in stride.  He compared dealing with the DNC (National Security and the Secret Service) to Bike Week in Laconia NH and said (I'm paraphrasing here) "They accept it, deal with it and make money in the process" - so Boston should do the same.

Aside from the fact that Bile Week in Laconia is an annual event that started smaller years ago and has slowly grown (although not without its problems) so that accomodation and planning ARE possible.  Plus 9/11 has had little affect on Laconia.

I find this exhortation to "suck it up" and "get over it" just a little strange - coming from a man who can avoid dealing with Winter in Boston by broadcasting from his home in sunny Florida.

I think perhaps Gary should drive from Laconia NH to WBZ every day at 6:00 pm  during DNC week.  

Can you say "attitude adjustment?"



From lglavin@lycos.com  Thu Jul 15 17:19:22 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu Jul 15 17:19:30 2004
Subject: Three Items
Message-ID: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

Lycos made some changes to their e-mail (it HAS cut down on
spam), but for now it doesn't allow "Reply All"...
so I have three items from other posts:

1: I inadvertently placed Oak Park in Needham in the
body of the posting;  the title got it right.

2:  The Newton denial link seemed to indicate that
the effective radiated power was 95KW, days anyway;
I have a question of the technical
types:  do WCBS and WFAN in NYC/City Island
generate anything like 100KW?  Is RF much
greater than a certain neighborhood in Lodi, NJ?

3:  Dave Maynard's health:  wasn't there a
thread here a couple of years ago to the effect
that Dave might be experiencing macular
degeneration?  Maybe Bruce Schwoegler mentioned
it.  Does anybody know?



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From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Jul 15 18:00:37 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu Jul 15 18:01:00 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
In-Reply-To: <200407151709.AA1068105860@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <001801c46ab7$2a09c7e0$0200a8c0@boneill>

Roger writes:
> I think perhaps Gary should drive from Laconia NH to WBZ
> every day at 6:00 pm  during DNC week.

He does dance a bit close to that credibility gap on that one, but I have to say
that in such a time for Boston to get such a global infusion of interest, it's
probably a good time to at least appear grateful.  Millions will be fed into the
economy of all of Greater Boston.  And when all is said and done, safe and
sound, it will be another confidence boost to the nation, breathing easier until
RNC in NYC in August.

Bill O'Neill

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Jul 15 18:26:53 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu Jul 15 18:27:28 2004
Subject: Three Items
In-Reply-To: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040715182441.029da088@pop.registeredsite.com>


>Lawrence asked--
>3:  Dave Maynard's health:  wasn't there a
>thread here a couple of years ago to the effect
>that Dave might be experiencing macular
>degeneration? Maybe Bruce Schwoegler mentioned it.

Oh and speaking of Bruce Schwoegler, where is he working these days?  I 
miss him!!!  Dave Maynard does have vision problems and macular 
degeneration, plus other health issues-- I mean, the guy is getting older-- 
he graduated from Emerson is 1951...


From steveord@bit-net.com  Thu Jul 15 19:27:42 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu Jul 15 19:27:41 2004
Subject: Three Items
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040715182441.029da088@pop.registeredsite.com>
References: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040715182441.029da088@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040715192316.01b083a8@pop3.bit-net.com>

Donna Halper wrote:

>Dave Maynard does have vision problems and macular degeneration, plus 
>other health issues-- I mean, the guy is getting older-- he graduated from 
>Emerson is 1951...


Which would put him somewhere in his mid-ish 70s.  I thought he was older 
than that.  I notice his voice seems to be sounding a bit better than it 
did a few years ago...did he have some sort of throat surgery a while 
back?  2 or 3 years ago (maybe a bit longer) he sounded very hoarse.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Jul 15 19:33:57 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Thu Jul 15 19:34:04 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
References: <001801c46ab7$2a09c7e0$0200a8c0@boneill>
Message-ID: <007801c46ac4$332fc740$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

LaPierre is sticking his neck out on this one, but I agree with him.  Now a
city full of Democrats in a nightmare in my view, but even I can see the
positives for Boston.

In Maine, we put up with a major change in our way of life for three months
every year with all you folks from Boston up here clogging the roads and
driving like Massholes.  ;-)

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 19:37:41 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Thu Jul 15 19:37:45 2004
Subject: Gutter Helmet TV spots
In-Reply-To: <20040715195651.21450.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040715233741.13472.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com>


Former WMUR TV Chan 9 Manchester new anchor Cathy Burnham has been doing
the ads in New Hampshire.

John
Derry

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From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Jul 15 19:49:28 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu Jul 15 19:49:42 2004
Subject: Three Items
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040715182441.029da088@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <000001c46ac6$5eb781d0$0200a8c0@boneill>

Dave Maynard does have vision problems and macular
> degeneration, plus other health issues-- I mean, the guy is
> getting older--
> he graduated from Emerson is 1951...

Maynard in the Morning was a great listen for many years.  Dave could work
music, calls, and banter together effortlessly.  The guy was great. I certainly
he's enjoying life now and that his health isn't getting too much in his way.

Bill O'Neill

From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul 15 21:19:37 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu Jul 15 21:20:42 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
Message-ID: <s0f6f4fd.086@entbalhs1>

>>Millions will be fed into the economy of all of Greater Boston.<<

Just about every economic analyst who's been interviewed by the media lately pegs this as a loss...a HUGE loss...for the local economy.  The millions being fed in by the convention are more than compensated for by the millions in lost productivity, closed businesses, re-routing of traffic and extra security.  (They need so many police here for convention week that other states are shipping officers in...and they don't work for free.)  Last figure I saw was a $50 million net LOSS to the economy.

With the political conventions more irrelevant than ever, who needs this headache?  I don't know about you, but I have to work that week.  I don't have the luxury of taking Mumbles' advice to stay home.  Is he or the City of Boston going to compensate us for all of it somehow?  Easy for him to say "stay home that week"...let him put his (the city's) money where his marble-filled mouth is.

The city visible from the USS Constitution is about to become an armed fortress full of out-of-towners screaming, getting drunk and ratifying what we've known since sometime in April, all for the sake of an irrelevant exercise stretched over four days.  Is it all going to be worth it?

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Thu Jul 15 21:31:37 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu Jul 15 21:31:40 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
In-Reply-To: <s0f6f4fd.086@entbalhs1>
References: <s0f6f4fd.086@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <200407160131.i6G1VbfF037999@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

Hey, folks, reminder:

This is a list about broadcasting, not about politics.

Thanks for your attention.

-GAWollman

From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Jul 15 21:51:36 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu Jul 15 21:51:50 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
In-Reply-To: <s0f6f4fd.086@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <000301c46ad7$6e7bda60$0200a8c0@boneill>

Sid writes:
> Just about every economic analyst who's been interviewed by
> the media lately pegs this as a loss...a HUGE loss...for the
> local economy.

How are the media coming down on this issue?  From the talk-side?  Is there a
"lean"?

Bill O'Neill

From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul 15 22:28:01 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu Jul 15 22:29:16 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
Message-ID: <s0f7050b.061@entbalhs1>

>>How are the media coming down on this issue?  From the talk-side?  Is there a "lean"?<<

>From what I've heard, even the people who wanted it here are, in many cases, having second thoughtsafter seeing the planning (or lack thereof).  I've seen and heard reports about the economic losses in media covering all sides of the political spectrum.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Jul 15 22:58:54 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Jul 15 22:57:43 2004
Subject: LaPierre's Lips On The Loose
Message-ID: <200407152258.AA1509884008@mail.ttlc.net>

"Bill O'Neill" asked:

>How are the media coming down on this issue?  From the talk-side?  
>Is there a "lean"?

WBZ's promo leads early with the line "...from the Problems to the 
Politics"


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Fri Jul 16 00:18:06 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri Jul 16 00:17:13 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040715073445.038c5938@gwind.pair.com>
References: <1089868580.466667B@w37.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <40F71EBE.23516.5017A7@localhost>

On 15 Jul 2004 at 7:37, Scott Fybush wrote:

> >And who owns the 1150 site in Lexington?
> 
> That one's an American Tower site all the way...

It isn't owned by the owners of WTTT 1150?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Jul 16 00:28:48 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri Jul 16 00:28:53 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <40F71EBE.23516.5017A7@localhost>
References: <1089868580.466667B@w37.dngr.org>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040715073445.038c5938@gwind.pair.com>
	<40F71EBE.23516.5017A7@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407160428.i6G4SmgS041079@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:18:06 -0400, "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 15 Jul 2004 at 7:37, Scott Fybush wrote:
>> That one's an American Tower site all the way...

> It isn't owned by the owners of WTTT 1150?

You will recall that 1150 was briefly owned by American Radio, before
the CBS takeover.  1150 was put into trust to meet FCC ownership
restrictions (as opposed to the other Boston ARS stations which CBS
allowed to buy, under FCC rules, but had to sell quickly for
anti-trust reasons).  The CBS takeover of ARS was structured so as to
leave most of ARS's tower properties with Steve Dodge under the
American Tower moniker, including the 1150 site in Lexington (probably
because it includes the tall WCOP-FM tower which could be leased out
separately).

-GAWollman

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Fri Jul 16 00:45:30 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri Jul 16 00:44:34 2004
Subject: Oak Hill Park, Newton MA Towers Nixed
In-Reply-To: <200407160428.i6G4SmgS041079@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <40F71EBE.23516.5017A7@localhost>
Message-ID: <40F7252A.16246.692E8C@localhost>

On 16 Jul 2004 at 0:28, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> You will recall that 1150 was briefly owned by American Radio, before the
> CBS takeover.  1150 was put into trust to meet FCC ownership restrictions
> (as opposed to the other Boston ARS stations which CBS allowed to buy,
> under FCC rules, but had to sell quickly for anti-trust reasons).  The CBS
> takeover of ARS was structured so as to leave most of ARS's tower
> properties with Steve Dodge under the American Tower moniker, including
> the 1150 site in Lexington (probably because it includes the tall WCOP-FM
> tower which could be leased out separately).

What's the WCOP-FM tower being used for now?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From pete@partnercomm.com  Fri Jul 16 10:40:43 2004
From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Fri Jul 16 10:40:51 2004
Subject: Three Items
In-Reply-To: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407160836200.16029-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Laurence Glavin wrote:

[snip]
> 2:  The Newton denial link seemed to indicate that
> the effective radiated power was 95KW, days anyway;
> I have a question of the technical
> types:  do WCBS and WFAN in NYC/City Island
> generate anything like 100KW?  Is RF much
> greater than a certain neighborhood in Lodi, NJ?
[snip]

The ERP in the directional lobe(s) can be many dB above their TPO. WCBS
and WFAN are each 50KW omnidirectional.

AM stations are measured by TPO, not ERP, to my recollection (the reverse 
is the case for FM, where omnidirectional gain is practical).

I remember reading (somewhere - I want to attribute it to Scott Fybush or
Garrett Wollman, but Google didn't help me find it) that WBZ, with 50KW
TPO into its 2-tower directional array, develops about 128KW ERP to 270
degrees (and about 2KW to 90 degrees).

-Peter

Peter Murray (N3IXY)
Vienna, VA

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Jul 16 11:53:28 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri Jul 16 11:53:31 2004
Subject: Three Items
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407160836200.16029-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>
References: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0407160836200.16029-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>
Message-ID: <200407161553.i6GFrS7b045816@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Peter Murray <pete@partnercomm.com> said:

> AM stations are measured by TPO, not ERP, to my recollection (the reverse 
> is the case for FM, where omnidirectional gain is practical).

Not quote.  AM stations are measured by "nominal power", which in most
cases is either base power at the (singular) antenna, or power at the
common-point for a directional array.  (That is to say, "nominal
power" allows for transmission-line loss.)  The exception is an
artifact of the old rules regarding AM station power levels, wherein a
station could only be licensed for 1, 2.5, or 5 x 10**n watts.  If a
class-III station (to use the old designation) were licensed for 5 kW
into a minimum-efficiency radiator, and later built a new antenna that
was 25% more efficient, the station had two choices: either apply to
reduce nominal power to 2.5 kW (the next step down), or add a resistor
network before the antenna to waste the extra 25% and restore the
antenna system efficiency to its old value.  Nominal power is measured
before any such energy-wasters.

Today, a station would normally just file for the actual power needed to
duplicate the old coverage with the new antenna system -- unless the
station is licensed for either 50 kW or 250 W, the first for marketing
reasons and the second to avoid a downgrade to class-D.

-GAWollman

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Jul 16 12:31:26 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Fri Jul 16 12:31:46 2004
Subject: Three Items
References: <20040715211922.ACDCE86AE1@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com><Pine.LNX.4.44.0407160836200.16029-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>
	<200407161553.i6GFrS7b045816@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c46b52$5f7f8720$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

Not quite, again. AM stations whose licensed power is less than 250W ARE
allowed, PROVIDED that the RMS inverse-distance field at 1 km is at least
that which would be obtained by supplying 250W into an antenna of
minimum-efficiency for the station class (140.85 mV/m for Class B and D
stations). For example, look at the new night facilities for 1330 in
Campbell (Youngstown) OH. I believe the power is 215W, but thanks to its use
of relatively tall towers, the station remains a Class B because the
standard-pattern RMS exceeds 141 mV/m. This station is NOT unique in that
regard. The FCC uses the inverse-distance RMS to determine which stations
qualify as Class Bs and which qualify only as Ds. Sometimes, when
substantial nighttime coverage of the COL is impossible and the FCC refuses
to grant a waiver, a station will apply to drop from Class B  to Class D by
lowering its night power to fall just under the 141 mV/m Class B minimum.
That might be called "gaming the system."

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
To: Peter Murray <pete@partnercomm.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Three Items


> <<On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Peter Murray
<pete@partnercomm.com> said:
>
> > AM stations are measured by TPO, not ERP, to my recollection (the
reverse
> > is the case for FM, where omnidirectional gain is practical).
>
> Not quote.  AM stations are measured by "nominal power", which in most
> cases is either base power at the (singular) antenna, or power at the
> common-point for a directional array.  (That is to say, "nominal
> power" allows for transmission-line loss.)  The exception is an
> artifact of the old rules regarding AM station power levels, wherein a
> station could only be licensed for 1, 2.5, or 5 x 10**n watts.  If a
> class-III station (to use the old designation) were licensed for 5 kW
> into a minimum-efficiency radiator, and later built a new antenna that
> was 25% more efficient, the station had two choices: either apply to
> reduce nominal power to 2.5 kW (the next step down), or add a resistor
> network before the antenna to waste the extra 25% and restore the
> antenna system efficiency to its old value.  Nominal power is measured
> before any such energy-wasters.
>
> Today, a station would normally just file for the actual power needed to
> duplicate the old coverage with the new antenna system -- unless the
> station is licensed for either 50 kW or 250 W, the first for marketing
> reasons and the second to avoid a downgrade to class-D.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From miscon@miscon.net  Fri Jul 16 13:11:44 2004
From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control)
Date: Fri Jul 16 13:12:00 2004
Subject: WGBH / David O. Ives "slogan"
Message-ID: <200407161311.AA223871158@miscon.net>

from the front entry of 125 Western Ave:

"WGBH enriches people's lives
through programs and services that educate,
inspire, and entertain, fostering
citizenship and culture, the joy of learning, 
and the power of diverse perspectives."

Mike
From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Jul 16 17:20:36 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri Jul 16 17:20:39 2004
Subject: Howie Carr on C-SPAN
Message-ID: <200407162120.i6GLKaHN049051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

I found the following in the latest C-SPAN schedule update:

 C-SPAN 2 Highlights

Tonight
^U U.S. Election Assistance/Security of Electronic Voting (8pm)
^U Washington Journal with Howie Carr, WRKO Radio, Host (10:30pm)

For those interested in radio-without-pictures with pictures.

-GAWollman

From billo@shoreham.net  Fri Jul 16 19:41:10 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri Jul 16 19:41:20 2004
Subject: WGBH / David O. Ives "slogan"
In-Reply-To: <200407161311.AA223871158@miscon.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c46b8e$603ee840$0200a8c0@boneill>

Old Pal Mike Wilkins writes:

> from the front entry of 125 Western Ave:
>
> "WGBH enriches people's lives
> through programs and services that educate,
> inspire, and entertain, fostering
> citizenship and culture, the joy of learning,
> and the power of diverse perspectives."

Wow.  And just to think, from the front entry of WCAP at 243 Central Street,
Lowell: "No Sitting."  And who says radio isn't a diverse medium?

Bill O'Neill

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Fri Jul 16 20:02:03 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri Jul 16 20:02:23 2004
Subject: Howie Carr on C-SPAN
Message-ID: <20040717000203.D6A0B3955@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Howie was on this morning (on C-SPAN) from 8 to 9 am (I saw it), followed at 9 by NECN's Jim Braude.



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From lglavin@lycos.com  Sat Jul 17 15:00:41 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat Jul 17 15:00:52 2004
Subject: Let's Talk About Buses
Message-ID: <20040717190041.2DD303384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Like most people, I hate being stuck behind buses while driving
because of the exhaust fumes and because they generally travel 
more slowly than the traffic flow.  But yesterday, I actually 
stayed behind a bus and got close to it because of an advertising
message on its rear deck.  C-Span had taken out an ad, and I
immediately noted its logo with incredulity: C-Span advertising?
Whe I got closer, I observed that the ad informed Boston-area
drivers that C-Span was the ONLY source of non-stop, uninterrupted
coverage of the DNC convention the last week of July.  Here I
thought that C-Span was purer than Caesar's wife (Julius, not Sid)
and would not stoop to mere commerce.  Next thing you know,
they'll be having fund raisers!  Anyway, now you know where to go for
your convention fix.

Laurence Glavin
-- 
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From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Jul 17 15:27:43 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat Jul 17 15:28:00 2004
Subject: Let's Talk About Buses
In-Reply-To: <20040717190041.2DD303384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20040717190041.2DD303384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040717152520.0293e1d8@mail.mac.com>

At 03:00 PM 7/17/2004, Laurence Glavin wrote:


>Here I thought that C-Span was purer than Caesar's wife (Julius, not Sid)
>and would not stoop to mere commerce.

C-Span is owned by a consortium of cable companies, so what does that tell 
you? As long as they are not being partisan, and doing the same for the RNC 
in New York, I see no problem with this.


--
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Jul 17 21:50:51 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Jul 17 21:51:07 2004
Subject: Let's Talk About Buses
Message-ID: <20040718015051.C6CC0394C@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Was it the C-SPAN bus which goes all around the country? I was
watching it recently and they showed how it appeared in Mansfield,
OH, after somebody won some kind of contest and they had a ceremony,
etc., to mark the fact that his community was being honored by the will also have them at both respective conventions.

http://www.c-span.org/classroom/schoolbus/bushome.asp

But maybe it was just a regular bus _with_ a C-SPAN ad. (Note: according to the C-SPAN site, one of their two buses will indeed be making some appearances in the area.)

------
July 18
Bus 1 Boston, MA
Bus 2 Columbus, OH
-------

Canada's version of C-SPAN is the Cable Public Affair
Channel, CPAC. Sometimes seen on C-SPAN, I think.







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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sun Jul 18 10:41:05 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun Jul 18 10:41:16 2004
Subject: WNSH/WBVD/WMLO reunion
Message-ID: <20040718144105.B200739BE@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Doug Mascott of WNSH and WMWM has asked me to mention he's putting together a reunion of DJs of the 1570 signal in Beverly: WNSH, (formerly WMLO and WBVD). If you're interested you can email Doug at 
traxofthetown@yahoo.com


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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sun Jul 18 15:49:12 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun Jul 18 15:49:19 2004
Subject: Let's Talk About Buses
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040717152520.0293e1d8@mail.mac.com>
References: <20040717190041.2DD303384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040717152520.0293e1d8@mail.mac.com>
Message-ID: <200407181949.i6IJnCKX004527@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:27:43 -0400, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> C-Span is owned by a consortium of cable companies, so what does that tell 
> you? As long as they are not being partisan, and doing the same for the RNC 
> in New York, I see no problem with this.

Not entirely true.  C-SPAN is owned by National Cable Satellite
Corporation, which as a non-profit cannot be said to be "owned" by
anyone.[1]  However, its board consists primarily of cable-industry
executives and all of its funding comes from license fees paid by
participating cable systems.

-GAWollman

[1] The definition of a non-profit enterprise is one in which no
person is entitled (either theoretically or as a matter of law) to
receive any share of the earnings.  (Even for-profit companies which
don't pay dividends have "shareholders' equity", which represents the
original investment which would be returned to shareholders on
dissolution of the company; a non-profit by law cannot.)  There are
also other necessary conditions.

From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul 19 16:07:59 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Jul 19 16:08:05 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
Message-ID: <000901c46dcc$17428d50$6f918318@Mark>

  All day today, WSNH (900 Nashua NH) has been running a continuous loop of
the "Cruisin' 1961" album featuring Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsburg, followed by a
Gary James voiced promo for the "WMEX Summer Sock Hop" taking place Aug.21
at a restaurant in Gilford NH, and inviting those who want to win free
tickets to call WMEX now, toll free number. I heard this promo on my way
home at 3:45, this promo was followed by a quick almost whispered "WSNH
Nashua" ID, then another Gary James voiced piece: "The station you grew up
with, WMEX-FM at 106.5 on the seacoast, and now in the Merrimack Valley,
WMEX at 900AM", then into another airing of "Cruisin'1961".

    So it looks like another call letter change at 900 in Nashua. Are the
WMEX calls available on AM again? I'm guessing this will be a simulcast of
106.5 in Farmington, breaking away for Nashua Pride baseball. Will Maury
Parent's French program still air on Sunday mornings? I hope so, only to
hear "Big Moe" give the WMEX calls in French.

Mark Watson


From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Mon Jul 19 17:14:27 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Mon Jul 19 17:13:05 2004
Subject: Paul Harvey & Clear Channel
Message-ID: <200407191714.AA897712158@mail.ttlc.net>

Today on the Paul Harvey show, he noted that in some cases, the commercial content of some radio shows is larger than the rest of the content.  He then went on to mention that (paraphrasing here)"Clear Channel has announced that starting next year, they will be voluntarily, yes - voluntarily, reducing the commercial content of their offerings"

Any outside confirmation of this "announcement?"
From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul 19 17:59:56 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon Jul 19 18:00:08 2004
Subject: Paul Harvey & Clear Channel
References: <200407191714.AA897712158@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <005001c46ddb$baa7a1b0$6f918318@Mark>


  Roger Kirk wrote:


> Today on the Paul Harvey show, he noted that in some cases, the commercial
content of some radio shows is larger than the rest of the content.  He then
went on to mention that (paraphrasing here)"Clear Channel has announced that
starting next year, they will be voluntarily, yes - voluntarily, reducing
the commercial content of their offerings"
>
> Any outside confirmation of this "announcement?"
>

    It was reported on All Access today as well. According to that article,
this will take effect on Jan.1, 2005, and is intended to reduce the number
of hourly minutes of commercials per hour and the length of commercials in a
spot break. In addition, Clear Channel will reduce and limit the amount of
promotional interruptions on their stations. This plan is intended to allow
for advertisers to get more value for their spots by having less clutter and
shorter stop sets.

Mark Watson


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Tue Jul 20 00:49:10 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue Jul 20 00:48:25 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
In-Reply-To: <000901c46dcc$17428d50$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost>

On 19 Jul 2004 at 16:07, Mark Watson wrote:

>     So it looks like another call letter change at 900 in Nashua. Are the
> WMEX calls available on AM again? I'm guessing this will be a simulcast of
> 106.5 in Farmington, breaking away for Nashua Pride baseball. Will Maury
> Parent's French program still air on Sunday mornings? I hope so, only to
> hear "Big Moe" give the WMEX calls in French.

Since no station has the WMEX calls on AM, I guess they're available, provided WMEX-FM 
agrees. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@myway.com  Tue Jul 20 03:03:28 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue Jul 20 03:03:37 2004
Subject: Let's Talk About Buses
Message-ID: <20040720070328.B4FD43979@mprdmxin.myway.com>


 --- On Mon 07/19, Laurence Glavin < lglavin@lycos.com > wrote:
From: Laurence Glavin [mailto: lglavin@lycos.com]
>>
No, it was an everday exhaust-spewing bus

Oh, OK; and, as it turns out, I also got stuck behind a "T" bus
with the C-SPAN ad on the back (while on Loring Ave. in
Salem)

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From fox893@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 06:52:34 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Tue Jul 20 06:52:46 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
In-Reply-To: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040720105234.70419.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>


I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
Intersting guy.

--- "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2004 at 16:07, Mark Watson wrote:
> 
> >     So it looks like another call letter change at
> 900 in Nashua. Are the
> > WMEX calls available on AM again? I'm guessing
> this will be a simulcast of
> > 106.5 in Farmington, breaking away for Nashua
> Pride baseball. Will Maury
> > Parent's French program still air on Sunday
> mornings? I hope so, only to
> > hear "Big Moe" give the WMEX calls in French.
> 
> Since no station has the WMEX calls on AM, I guess
> they're available, provided WMEX-FM 
> agrees. 
> 
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                          
> 617.367.0468
>  15 Court Square, Suite 210                
> lawyer@attorneyross.com
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> http://www.attorneyross.com
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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From steveord@bit-net.com  Tue Jul 20 08:25:26 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue Jul 20 08:25:20 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040720082248.01af8c00@pop3.bit-net.com>

Mark Watson wrote:
>     So it looks like another call letter change at 900 in Nashua. Are the
>WMEX calls available on AM again? I'm guessing this will be a simulcast of
>106.5 in Farmington, breaking away for Nashua Pride baseball. Will Maury
>Parent's French program still air on Sunday mornings? I hope so, only to
>hear "Big Moe" give the WMEX calls in French.

I always thought "The Spirit" was kind of an odd handle for an oldies 
station, but I don't see what they'll gain by picking up the WMEX 
calls.  It's been almost 30 years since the "real" WMEX faded away, and you 
could never hear them very well in Nashua anyway.

I'd be very surprised if 900 became a simulcast of 106.5 in as much as 
they're not doing anything particularly unique.  Just an automated jukebox 
that plays way too many stiffs.  Nothing that can't (and hasn't been for 
the past year) duplicated locally.


From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Jul 20 16:20:49 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue Jul 20 16:21:00 2004
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center
Message-ID: <002e01c46e97$0c5bdb00$6f918318@Mark>

   Today's WBZ-TV (a/k/a CBS-4) 4 PM news is originating from high above the
convention floor-to-be at the Fleet Center, while workers are wrapping up
the last minute details to make the building ready for next week's
festivities. They claim they are the first and only Boston TV station to be
broadcasting live from inside the Fleet Center this week. I would guess
other stations may join them soon, unless they have a deal with the
Democratic National Committee to be the only station to be allowed in prior
to the convention.

Mark Watson


From lglavin@lycos.com  Tue Jul 20 18:11:56 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue Jul 20 18:12:05 2004
Subject: Arbitron Relented;  Boston Tomorrow
Message-ID: <20040720221157.08EF14F3D2@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>

In case you haven't heard:  Arbitron relented from its prior
position that it would embargo all markets with an Infinity station;
thus tomorrow, July 21st, at least the 12-and-older ratings for 
Boston are scheduled to appear at about 5:00 pm.  Supposedly, 
internals like males 25-54 are supposed to be squelched, 
but the New York City boards are dealing with such numbers for
WLIB and its AirAmerica programming.

Laurence Glavin
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From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Jul 20 18:18:24 2004
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue Jul 20 18:18:35 2004
Subject: Arbitron Relented;  Boston Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20040720221157.08EF14F3D2@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <010601c46ea7$7d344d70$6400a8c0@AMD>

It would be nice if they lifted the embargo on the Providence market.
I'm not sure what caused it there. There are no Infinity stations, and
it's been embargoed for a few months.

In particular, I'd like to know how WEEI-FM did in its first book.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

-----Original Message-----
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Of Laurence Glavin
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:12 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Arbitron Relented; Boston Tomorrow

In case you haven't heard:  Arbitron relented from its prior
position that it would embargo all markets with an Infinity station;
thus tomorrow, July 21st, at least the 12-and-older ratings for 
Boston are scheduled to appear at about 5:00 pm.  Supposedly, 
internals like males 25-54 are supposed to be squelched, 
but the New York City boards are dealing with such numbers for
WLIB and its AirAmerica programming.

Laurence Glavin
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From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Jul 20 19:35:26 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue Jul 20 19:35:36 2004
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center
References: <002e01c46e97$0c5bdb00$6f918318@Mark>
Message-ID: <002701c46eb2$3c13a150$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
To: "Boston Radio" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center


> They claim they are the first and only Boston TV station to be
> broadcasting live from inside the Fleet Center this week. 

So what?  Is there any news there now?  What a stupid thing to promote.


From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Tue Jul 20 19:45:22 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Tue Jul 20 19:43:58 2004
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center
Message-ID: <200407201945.AA773652762@mail.ttlc.net>

"Dan Billings" asked:

>So what?  Is there any news there now?  What a stupid thing to promote.

We're getting a live, blow-by-blow description of the construction
of the stage, it's central staircase and (extreme departure from
standards) the TWO podiums!
From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul 20 19:52:33 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Jul 20 19:52:10 2004
Subject: Things I didn't know...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>

...that I learned while reading old issues of Broadcasting+Telecasting 
magazine, from back in the days when it had a clue.

In a 1948 issue, I learned that WMAR in Baltimore was returning its CP for 
WMAR(AM), which was to have been 1 kw fulltime on...drumroll please...850. 
The station's owners were thinking ahead and focusing their efforts on 
WMAR-TV and WMAR-FM.

So this now becomes primarily a Dan Strassberg question: did this help 
clear the way for the ill-fated WXKW 850 in Albany? It certainly paved the 
way for the station that would become WAYE, a kilowatt daytimer in 
Baltimore on 860 (now WBGR).

I assume WMAR(FM) would have been DA-N, since it would certainly have had 
to protect KOA and probably WHDH as well. Was the 850 (later WNIS) in 
Norfolk there yet?

Also a Boston tidbit from 1951: CBS apparently had a deal, never 
consummated, to buy WRTB (channel 2 in Waltham) from Raytheon. AFAIK, WRTB 
never came on the air as such; the CP eventually passed to WGBH and it 
signed on in 1954.

s

From billo@shoreham.net  Tue Jul 20 20:41:17 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue Jul 20 20:41:40 2004
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center
In-Reply-To: <200407201945.AA773652762@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c46ebb$6fc15f20$0200a8c0@boneill>

Roger writes:

> We're getting a live, blow-by-blow description of the construction
> of the stage, it's central staircase and (extreme departure from
> standards) the TWO podiums!

Oh, the humanity!  What next, a floral arrangement in the shape of a donkey?
Say it ain't so.

Bill O'Neill

From steveord@bit-net.com  Tue Jul 20 21:31:00 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue Jul 20 21:31:11 2004
Subject: Things I didn't know...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040720212949.01c0c2f0@pop3.bit-net.com>

  Scott Fybush wrote:

>I assume WMAR(FM) would have been DA-N, since it would certainly have had 
>to protect KOA and probably WHDH as well. Was the 850 (later WNIS) in 
>Norfolk there yet?


I presume this is a typo?  Otherwise why would an FM need to protect 
stations on 850 in Boston & Denver?


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul 20 21:35:04 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue Jul 20 21:34:40 2004
Subject: Things I didn't know...
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040720212949.01c0c2f0@pop3.bit-net.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720213423.03a57330@gwind.pair.com>

At 09:31 PM 7/20/2004 -0400, SteveOrdinetz wrote:
>  Scott Fybush wrote:
>
>>I assume WMAR(FM) would have been DA-N, since it would certainly have had 
>>to protect KOA and probably WHDH as well. Was the 850 (later WNIS) in 
>>Norfolk there yet?
>
>
>I presume this is a typo?  Otherwise why would an FM need to protect 
>stations on 850 in Boston & Denver?

Long habit of not thinking of WMAR as an AM station...yes, I meant the 
unbuilt WMAR(AM)!

s

From DonKelley@aol.com  Tue Jul 20 21:45:59 2004
From: DonKelley@aol.com (DonKelley@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jul 20 21:46:48 2004
Subject: Arbitron Relented; =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0Boston_Tomorrow?=
Message-ID: <261DF533.474F15D8.0238A7FB@aol.com>

The Boston numbers actually come down at 10AM, not 5PM.



In a message dated 7/20/2004 6:11:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@lycos.com> writes:

>In case you haven't heard: ?Arbitron relented from its prior
>position that it would embargo all markets with an Infinity station;
>thus tomorrow, July 21st, at least the 12-and-older ratings for 
>Boston are scheduled to appear at about 5:00 pm. ?Supposedly, 
>internals like males 25-54 are supposed to be squelched, 
>but the New York City boards are dealing with such numbers for
>WLIB and its AirAmerica programming.
>
>Laurence Glavin
>-- 
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>
From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Jul 21 00:03:56 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Jul 21 00:03:30 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
In-Reply-To: <20040720105234.70419.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost>
Message-ID: <40FDB2EC.5755.29EFE4@localhost>

On 20 Jul 2004 at 3:52, Cooper Fox wrote:

> I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
> up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
> with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
> Intersting guy.

I'd love to meet him! 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Wed Jul 21 00:03:56 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed Jul 21 00:03:32 2004
Subject: Things I didn't know...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040720194853.03a50e00@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <40FDB2EC.4924.29F16B@localhost>

On 20 Jul 2004 at 19:52, Scott Fybush wrote:

> So this now becomes primarily a Dan Strassberg question: did this help
> clear the way for the ill-fated WXKW 850 in Albany? 

I still wonder about that Albany station.  How was it possible for someone to spend all the 
money to build a station, actually go on the air with program test authority, and then not get 
a license to cover?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Jul 21 04:45:18 2004
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed Jul 21 04:45:30 2004
Subject: WBZ-TV News Live From The Fleet Center
In-Reply-To: <200407201945.AA773652762@mail.ttlc.net>
References: <200407201945.AA773652762@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <40FE2D1E.8070607@gabrielmass.com>

rogerkirk wrote:
> "Dan Billings" asked:
> 
> 
>>So what?  Is there any news there now?  What a stupid thing to promote.
> 
> 
> We're getting a live, blow-by-blow description of the construction
> of the stage, it's central staircase and (extreme departure from
> standards) the TWO podiums!

(Insert John Kerry flip-flop joke here.)

--RC
From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Jul 21 08:02:47 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Wed Jul 21 08:03:45 2004
Subject: Things I didn't know...
References: <40FDB2EC.4924.29F16B@localhost>
Message-ID: <003301c46f1a$c65af8a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

As far as I know, WXKW was already on the air in 1948, so I don't think a CP
for 1 kW DA-N in Baltimore could have affected it. Also, I don't know when
WEEU (now on 830) started up on or moved to 850. It's conceivable that WEEU
(or its long-running 850 incarnation) was made possible by the return of the
Baltimore CP. However, IIRC, WEEU ran 1 kW DA-1 from a site south of
Reading. Most of the signal went northwest--away from Baltimore (and
Philadelphia--enabling WTEL (now WWDB) to find a home on 860--as a highly
directional 10 kW daytimer--when the share-time arrangement with WHAT 1340
was broken up). Anyhow, WEEU might have been designed to protect the
co-channel Baltimore station that was never built. The Norfolk 850 (on which
the legacy WTAR calls now reside) is newer, I believe. I suspect that the
surrender of the Baltimore CP made the Norfolk station possible, just as
WXKW's demise made CKVL possible.

As for Joe's question, I don't know the answer to "how could?" But I do know
that WXKW's not being granted a license was not unique. Right here in
Boston, a similar situation is--allegedly--finally unwinding after a mere 24
years. WGTR 1060 in Natick (now WBIX) built 2500W night facilities in
1980-1981 and received 1300W program test authority for them at that time.
I'm not going to attempt to recount the whole 1060/890 saga here, but if you
are interested, the Boston Radio Archives contain much of the information.
AM-band skywave propagation and the design and fine tuning of complex AM
directional arrays is still an art after all these years, though it is now
much more of a science than it was in 1980 when WGTR was built or in 1947
when WXKW was built. BTW, one of the early AM DA horror stories is that of
WJBK 1500 (now WLQV) Detroit. This one began in 1951 and did not reach final
resolution until a few months ago. The very short version is that WJBK built
a CP for 10 kW-D/5 kW-N DA-2 using a nine-tower array to protect WTOP and
KSTP. It didn't work well enough and the station was licensed for 1 kW-N.
Later, a CP was granted for 50 kW-D/5 kW-N DA-2 using a 12-tower array
resulting from the addition of three towers to the original nine. Then
Wal-Mart entered the picture and bought the land on which three of the
original towers stood. The day array was redesigned to use the remaining
nine towers but night operation once again wouldn't work correctly. After
years and years, a total redesign of WLQV's night array, and a lot of
horse-trading among the three licensees, WLQV is now licensed for 50 kW-D/10
kW-N DA-2 using nine towers day and night. It took more than half a century
to resolve this one! And, as far as I know, during that half century, the
Detroit station was never licensed for a night power greater than 1 kW. Oh,
and the complex machinations that originally enabled George Storer to apply
to move WJBK to 1500 from the 1490 graveyard channel could make another long
posting.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Joseph Ross <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Things I didn't know...


> On 20 Jul 2004 at 19:52, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> > So this now becomes primarily a Dan Strassberg question: did this help
> > clear the way for the ill-fated WXKW 850 in Albany?
>
> I still wonder about that Albany station.  How was it possible for someone
to spend all the
> money to build a station, actually go on the air with program test
authority, and then not get
> a license to cover?
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Jul 21 09:14:29 2004
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Wed Jul 21 09:15:29 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
References: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost> <40FDB2EC.5755.29EFE4@localhost>
Message-ID: <00c201c46f24$a7f45550$6500a8c0@brianhome>

Invite him to the picnic.  BTW, is there one scheduled yet this year?

Calling Gary...

Brian T. Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
www.cssinc.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
To: "Cooper Fox" <fox893@yahoo.com>
Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua


> On 20 Jul 2004 at 3:52, Cooper Fox wrote:
> 
> > I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
> > up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
> > with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
> > Intersting guy.
> 
> I'd love to meet him! 
> 
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
> 
> 
> 
From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 21 09:48:16 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Wed Jul 21 09:48:31 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
References: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost> <40FDB2EC.5755.29EFE4@localhost>
	<00c201c46f24$a7f45550$6500a8c0@brianhome>
Message-ID: <05ff01c46f29$62ab6b00$6500a8c0@office>

We could do a get together......this year though I am due to the Saturday
Night Sock Hop at Salisbury Beach - no radio version this year due to Lowell
Spinners.  But we could plan a Saturday nite in August.........comments


-gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>; "Cooper Fox"
<fox893@yahoo.com>
Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua


> Invite him to the picnic.  BTW, is there one scheduled yet this year?
>
> Calling Gary...
>
> Brian T. Vita, President
> Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
> 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
> Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
> Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
> Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
> www.cssinc.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
> To: "Cooper Fox" <fox893@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
>
>
> > On 20 Jul 2004 at 3:52, Cooper Fox wrote:
> >
> > > I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
> > > up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
> > > with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
> > > Intersting guy.
> >
> > I'd love to meet him!
> >
> > -- 
> > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> >  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> > Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
> >
> >
> >

From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 21 10:01:53 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Wed Jul 21 10:02:06 2004
Subject: correction to previous e-mail
References: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost>
	<40FDB2EC.5755.29EFE4@localhost><00c201c46f24$a7f45550$6500a8c0@brianhome>
	<05ff01c46f29$62ab6b00$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <060501c46f2b$4730bdb0$6500a8c0@office>

to make sense out of the previous message change the word "due" to "doing" -
it will then all make sense.

g

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua


> We could do a get together......this year though I am due to the Saturday
> Night Sock Hop at Salisbury Beach - no radio version this year due to
Lowell
> Spinners.  But we could plan a Saturday nite in August.........comments
>
>
> -gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
> To: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>; "Cooper Fox"
> <fox893@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
>
>
> > Invite him to the picnic.  BTW, is there one scheduled yet this year?
> >
> > Calling Gary...
> >
> > Brian T. Vita, President
> > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
> > 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
> > Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
> > Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
> > Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
> > www.cssinc.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
> > To: "Cooper Fox" <fox893@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
> >
> >
> > > On 20 Jul 2004 at 3:52, Cooper Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > > I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
> > > > up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
> > > > with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
> > > > Intersting guy.
> > >
> > > I'd love to meet him!
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> > >  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> > > Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Jul 21 15:20:43 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed Jul 21 15:21:06 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c46f29$62ab6b00$6500a8c0@office>
References: <40FC6C06.1723.8F9F99@localhost> <40FDB2EC.5755.29EFE4@localhost>
	<00c201c46f24$a7f45550$6500a8c0@brianhome>
	<05ff01c46f29$62ab6b00$6500a8c0@office>
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At 09:48 AM 7/21/2004, gic wrote:

>We could do a get together......this year though I am due to the Saturday
>Night Sock Hop at Salisbury Beach - no radio version this year due to Lowell
>Spinners.  But we could plan a Saturday nite in August.........comments

Are you going to be at the Lowelll Folk Festival again this year?  I'll be 
there on Sunday, aiming to get there by noon.  Should we set up a time for 
anyone who'se there to meet at your store?


--
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Lake Wobegone, NH 

From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul 21 15:47:00 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul 21 15:47:10 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
Message-ID: <200407211947.PAA07065@webmail7.cac.psu.edu>

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:20:43 +0000, Larry Weil wrote:
> Are you going to be at the Lowelll Folk Festival again this year?  I'll be 
> there on Sunday, aiming to get there by noon.  Should we set up a time for 
> anyone who'se there to meet at your store?

I would love to be in a b-r-i gathering. What date is the festival? I'm leaving
here around Aug. 20.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Jul 21 15:59:53 2004
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed Jul 21 16:00:00 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040721155941.02999d28@mail.mac.com>

At 03:47 PM 7/21/2004, you wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:20:43 +0000, Larry Weil wrote:
> > Are you going to be at the Lowelll Folk Festival again this year?  I'll be
> > there on Sunday, aiming to get there by noon.  Should we set up a time for
> > anyone who'se there to meet at your store?
>
>I would love to be in a b-r-i gathering. What date is the festival? I'm 
>leaving
>here around Aug. 20.

This weekend.  http://www.lowellfolkfestival.org.



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From lglavin@lycos.com  Wed Jul 21 17:19:48 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed Jul 21 17:19:58 2004
Subject: You Could Set Your Watch...
Message-ID: <20040721211948.6AC60CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>

While some in the biz get their ratings earlier, you could
set your watch for when they appear via rronline.com.
About a minute before 5:00, the only 07/21 numbers
were for Poughkeepsie, NY and Atlantic City,NJ,
which apparently were scheduled for earlier in the day.
Just to see if anybody got them earlier, I checked
radio-info.com/Boston: nothing;  then tried Boston
Radio Watch, but somewhere.com is not available
(not even a click-through from a posting here a few days ago;
is somewhere.com defunct?)
No big news except WBCN maintaining it Stern-led
bump;  WBMX up noticeably;  and WMJX at its lowest in a while
(these are of course 12+ numbers...it probably does
better among other cohorts, like say the feeble-minded).
Maybe I didn't notice it before, but rronline.com's
list went to 30 positions, and Gloucester's WBOQ gets a
small fraction...even then still no sign of WWZN.
And yes, Bob Bittner Broadcasting's flagship outlet
WJIB also makes an appearance as it has for months.

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From lglavin@lycos.com  Wed Jul 21 18:30:05 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed Jul 21 18:30:17 2004
Subject: I Read The News Today Oh Boy
Message-ID: <20040721223005.45C79C611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

When I turned to the "LIVING" page of today's (07/21)
Boston Globe, my eyes were dazzled bt TWO radio-
oriented full-length stories:  one about NH's Arnie
Arneson, the other about Northampton's WHMP.
If you care to, you may read the former at:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/07/21/the_talk_of_the_towns/

And the WHMP story at:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/07/21/left_leaning_northampton_stern_on_same_wavelength/

BTW, in case you missed the Globe's Sunday Magazine article by 
Charlie Pierce on the dark clouds over talk radio,
check out:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/07/18/hot_button_issue/

Gee, are the movies and televison so boring, the Globe has to 
resort to RADIO?


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From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Jul 22 08:14:35 2004
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu Jul 22 08:14:43 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
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Works for me.

Brian T. Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua


> We could do a get together......this year though I am due to the Saturday
> Night Sock Hop at Salisbury Beach - no radio version this year due to
Lowell
> Spinners.  But we could plan a Saturday nite in August.........comments
>
>
> -gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
> To: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>; "Cooper Fox"
> <fox893@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
>
>
> > Invite him to the picnic.  BTW, is there one scheduled yet this year?
> >
> > Calling Gary...
> >
> > Brian T. Vita, President
> > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
> > 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
> > Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
> > Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
> > Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
> > www.cssinc.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com>
> > To: "Cooper Fox" <fox893@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <bri@bostonradio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
> >
> >
> > > On 20 Jul 2004 at 3:52, Cooper Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > > I actually had a chance to meet Ginsburg when he was
> > > > up here in June.  He actually still has, and brought
> > > > with him, the sound FX makers he used on the air.
> > > > Intersting guy.
> > >
> > > I'd love to meet him!
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> > >  15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
> > > Boston, MA 02108-2503                    http://www.attorneyross.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

From lglavin@lycos.com  Thu Jul 22 17:13:13 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu Jul 22 17:13:27 2004
Subject: WMEX Nashua
Message-ID: <20040722211313.77FC0CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:14:35 -0400
To: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua

> Works for me.
> 
> Brian T. Vita, President
> Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
> 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4
> Peabody, MA  01960-5626 USA
> Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775
> Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550
> www.cssinc.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
> To: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
> Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: WMEX Nashua
> 
> 
No big deal;  I'm testing my "REPLY ALL" to see if it's working.
It's been inoperative lately.
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From billo@shoreham.net  Thu Jul 22 17:18:06 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu Jul 22 17:18:38 2004
Subject: ABC Family
Message-ID: <003f01c47031$625ee0b0$0100007f@boneill>

Drudge reports on Curtis on WABC NYand the attempted hit on him in 1992.
Suspects indicted.  Just reading the story at
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm makes me wonder what it must feel like
just to be around the WABC studio mornings.

Bill O'Neill

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Fri Jul 23 11:50:32 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri Jul 23 11:50:45 2004
Subject: neradio.org/ WMRE 1510, etc.
Message-ID: <20040723155032.A5628398C@mprdmxin.myway.com>


Stumbled onto Shel Swartz's http://www.neradio.org site from his Big 68 Remembered site (wrko.org)-- interesting trivia about New England radio (station history, call sign meanings, etc.) Think he has
neradio.com as well.

I would say though that one "trivial" bit of info about the 1510 frequency should be added: For a time, WMRE 1510 went from "memories" music (big band, etc.) to a talk format that included Paul Benzaquin, Morgan White Jr., Bob Katzen, and the late Marcia Masters. I have a tape of the last "Talking Trivia" show (Jan. 1987 I believe). 

"Stay on top--1510, WMRE". One oddball thing they used to do was broadcast the sound portion of the Joan Rivers show which Ch. 25 would not show (because I believe they were still owned by Pat Robertson, and it was thought the Rivers show would be too outrageous). I attended a farewell party for the station 
at a now-defunct restaurant/bar called the Breakfast Club (corner of Brookline Ave. and Boylston St., IIRC) and I met Bob Katzen there (also saw Chris Lydon hanging around, etc.) They re-emerged as WSSH (AM) 






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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Jul 23 12:01:28 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Jul 23 12:01:42 2004
Subject: Bill Moyers' "NOW" Spotlights Local TV Tonight
Message-ID: <20040723160128.9EB4A4F3D2@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>

At the end of last weekend's "Now with Bill Moyers" on PBS-TV, there
was a promo for this weekend's show.  One subject to be covered
was the state of local TV.  It's possible that events of this 
week:  the 9/11 report, the DNC convention, a monkey that walks
on it hind legs like humans (oops, that's more likely to be
covered bt CNN Headline news) will postpone or pre-empt
this segment;  but if you're near a TV when "Now" is on,
you may want to check it out.

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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Jul 23 12:09:32 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri Jul 23 12:09:36 2004
Subject: neradio.org/ WMRE 1510, etc.
In-Reply-To: <20040723155032.A5628398C@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20040723155032.A5628398C@mprdmxin.myway.com>
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<<On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT), "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@myway.com> said:

> They re-emerged as WSSH (AM) 

So how long was WSSH 1510 playing music before the switch to doble-u
esse esse ache?

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Fri Jul 23 12:31:30 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri Jul 23 12:31:11 2004
Subject: neradio.org/ WMRE 1510, etc.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040723123124.038d7800@gwind.pair.com>

At 12:09 PM 7/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:
><<On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT), "Bob Nelson" 
><raccoonradio@myway.com> said:
>
> > They re-emerged as WSSH (AM)
>
>So how long was WSSH 1510 playing music before the switch to doble-u
>esse esse ache?

That's the second incarnation of WSSH(AM) you're thinking of!

They went from WSSH(AM), first time around, with standards (wasn't it?) to 
country WKKU sometime in 1989.

WKKU was dying when I came to town in January 1990 (you'd think I'd have 
had the sense to roll tape on it, not to mention "Showbiz Radio" WRCA, but 
I didn't), and it soon went back to WSSH(AM) as a simulcast of 99.5 
FM.  The Spanish came after all THAT, sometime in 1992 or thereabouts, if 
memory serves.

s

From raccoonradio@myway.com  Fri Jul 23 12:43:35 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri Jul 23 12:43:46 2004
Subject: neradio.org/ WMRE 1510, etc.
Message-ID: <20040723164335.84983398C@mprdmxin.myway.com>



From: Garrett Wollman [mailto: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu]
>>So how long was WSSH 1510 playing music before the switch to doble-u esse esse ache?

neradio.org said that WMRE began playing big band music in the early 80s; I'm pretty sure they were talk from about 1985 to 1987. My aircheck of Morgan White's last "Talking Trivia" on WMRE 1510 is
dated Jan. 1987 and I think the station went "dark" the last week of
that month, re-emerging as WSSH (AM) a couple months later as a simulcast of WSSH-FM 99.5 (beautiful music). I don't know exactly when Noble changed them to WKKU and country, though. Maybe '88 or
'89?



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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Fri Jul 23 12:50:49 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri Jul 23 12:50:59 2004
Subject: neradio.org/ WMRE 1510, etc.
Message-ID: <20040723165049.6A72C3990@mprdmxin.myway.com>


--- On Fri 07/23, Scott Fybush < scott@fybush.com > wrote:
>>That's the second incarnation of WSSH(AM) you're thinking of! They went from WSSH(AM), first time around, with standards (wasn't it?) to country WKKU sometime in 1989. 

I wasn't aware they flipped back to the WSSH(AM) calls after they
were WKKU (with country) for awhile!

On the last edition of "Talking Trivia" I have, several callers
expressed their dismay that WMRE was going off the air. "It's
not just your show? You mean Benzaquin's off too?"

"The whole station's going off," replied Morgan, adding, "By the way, if anyone out there is owed prizes, I wouldn't wait too long if I were you--stop by the studios as soon as you can to pick them up...
I know we have several cart racks here (of carts he used on his show)
and those are getting out of here tonight!" The studios were next
to NESN on Brookline Ave., as I recall.

I have the aircheck on a couple old cassettes and I may soon
transfer them to CD-R or mini-disc. It's interesting to hear
the old ads, newscasts, promos, etc. Maybe can find a way to
send a copy to anyone who likes to archive this sort of thing?


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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Jul 23 16:40:42 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Jul 23 16:40:49 2004
Subject: Boston Radio Watch and Somewhere.com Down
Message-ID: <20040723204042.8F1DC86AE5@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>

Some of you may have noticed that somewhere.com, home of the
Boston Radio Watch, has been inaccessible of late.  I
e-mailed a query to the owner of Boston Radio Watch,
and he replied that there was a fire where Somewhere 
Consulting keeps its servers.  It's expected that
somewhere.com will be back in a week or two, and
the Boston Radio Watch with it.
(BRW has been media central for coverage of the
Oak Hill Park towers kerfuffle.)
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From lglavin@lycos.com  Fri Jul 23 17:04:10 2004
From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri Jul 23 17:04:17 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
Message-ID: <20040723210410.7F81CCA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>

Here's a link to a story about the interference residents
near Gaithersburg, MD are experiencing from an AM 
station's upgrade to 50KW.  As of now, the residents
of Oak Hill Pahk in Newton (yea I got it right this time)
have nothing to fear, unless CCU appeals AND
greases the palms of the right politicians.

http://www.gazette.net/200430/montgomery/news/227051-1.html
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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Jul 23 17:47:35 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Fri Jul 23 17:47:43 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
References: <20040723210410.7F81CCA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <001801c470fe$afa13bc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

I am under the impression that if an AM station upgrades its facilities, it
must satisfy, at its own expense, for a period of one year from the date
that the FCC licenses the new facilities, all complaints of interference
from people who reside within the 1V/m contour. The article implies
otherwise--that is, that the requirement exists only for major changes.
Hardly any changes, other than COL changes and frequency changes of more
than 20 kHz, qualify as AM major changes anymore. I wonder if the relaxation
of the meaning of minor change has had the effect of letting stations off
the hook on interference. If so, the baby has clearly been thrown out with
the bath water. Neighbors' opposition to facility upgrades has multiplied
many-fold over the past decade. Removing stations' responsibility for
recitfying complaints of interference just adds fuel (lots of it) to the
NIMBYs' case. Considering the militancy of the Montgomery county populace
and the cleverness of WMET's upgrade, it is amazing to me that the station
isn't going out of its way to satisfy complaints. (The station used to
operate on 1150 with 1 kW-D/500W-N DA-2 from five towers. By moving to 1160,
WMET was able to increase to 50 kW-D/1.5 kW-N DA-2 using the SAME five
towers. The daytime power increase brings substantially all of the district
of Columbia into WMET's daytime 5 mV/m "city-grade" contour. Like the Oak
Hill NIMBYs, the Gaithersburg crowd was not going to allow ANY change that
involved ANY modification to the towers. By finding a way to use the
existing towers, WMET was able to get its way despite the neighbors'
objections. This doesn't seem like the time to behave in a high-handed way
that allows the whole deal unravel--even if the FCC rules allow the station
to ignore the complaints. But then, the long-time money-losing station's
lengthy series of management teams has apparently never won any awards for
intelligence.)

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> Here's a link to a story about the interference residents
> near Gaithersburg, MD are experiencing from an AM
> station's upgrade to 50KW.  As of now, the residents
> of Oak Hill Pahk in Newton (yea I got it right this time)
> have nothing to fear, unless CCU appeals AND
> greases the palms of the right politicians.
>
> http://www.gazette.net/200430/montgomery/news/227051-1.html
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From sid@wrko.com  Fri Jul 23 19:48:53 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri Jul 23 19:50:33 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could
	Experience?
Message-ID: <s1016bb8.047@entbalhs1>

>>I am under the impression that if an AM station upgrades its facilities, it must satisfy, at its own expense, for a period of one year from the date that the FCC licenses the new facilities, all complaints of interference from people who reside within the 1V/m contour.<<

That's what I thought too, but the current rules say differently.

===================================

For AM:

Sec.  73.88  Blanketing interference.

    The licensee of each broadcast station is required to satisfy all reasonable complaints of blanketing interference within the 1 V/m contour.

    Note:  For more detailed instructions concerning operational responsibilities of licensees and permittees under this section, see Sec.  73.318 (b), (c) and (d).

[28 FR 13574, Dec. 14, 1963, as amended at 56 FR 64859, Dec. 12, 1991]

==================================

For FM:

Sec.  73.318  FM blanketing interference.

    Areas adjacent to the transmitting antenna that receive a signal with a strength of 115 dBu (562 mV/m) or greater will be assumed to be blanketed. In determining the blanketed area, the 115 dBu contour is determined by calculating the inverse distance field using the effective radiated power of the maximum radiated lobe of the antenna without considering its vertical radiation pattern or height. For directional antennas, the effective radiated power in the pertinent bearing shall be 
used.
    (a) The distance to the 115 dBu contour is determined using the following equation:

D (in kilometers)=0.394[radic] P
D (in miles)=0.245[radic] P
Where P is the maximum effective radiated power (ERP), measured in kilowatts, of the maximum radiated lobe.

    (b) After January 1, 1985, permittees or licensees who either (1) commence program tests, or (2) replace their antennas, or (3) request facilities modifications and are issued a new construction permit must satisfy all complaints of blanketing interference which are received by the station during a one year period. The period begins with the commencement of program tests, or commencement of programming utilizing the new antenna. Resolution of complaints shall be at no cost to the 
complainant. These requirements specifically do not include interference 
complaints resulting from malfunctioning or mistuned receivers, improperly installed antenna systems, or the use of high gain antennas or antenna booster amplifiers. Mobile receivers and non-RF devices such as tape recorders or hi-fi amplifiers (phonographs) are also excluded.
    (c) A permittee collocating with one or more existing stations and beginning program tests on or after January 1, 1985, must assume full financial responsibility for remedying new complaints of blanketing interference for a period of one year. Two or more permittees that concurrently collocate on or after January 1, 1985, shall assume shared responsibility for remedying blanketing complaints within the blanketing area unless an offending station can be readily determined and then that station shall assume full financial responsibility.
    (d) Following the one year period of full financial obligation to satisfy blanketing complaints, licensees shall provide technical information or assistance to complainants on remedies for blanketing interference.

[28 FR 13623, Dec. 14, 1963, as amended at 52 FR 25866, July 9, 1987]

========================================

So, no time limit for AM's, and one year for FM's with a number of exceptions.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From RogerKola@aol.com  Fri Jul 23 20:16:04 2004
From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jul 23 20:16:24 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
Message-ID: <ac.5d842c39.2e330444@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/23/04 7:51:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sid@wrko.com 
writes:

<< For AM:
 
 Sec.  73.88  Blanketing interference.
 
     The licensee of each broadcast station is required to satisfy all 
reasonable complaints of blanketing interference within the 1 V/m contour. >>

Having seen the FCC's transition from an Amateur Radio standpoint, I can 
attest that there are a lot of "Crummy" phones out there...but to get along with 
our "neighbors" we have to resolve the issues locally ourselves....and Amateurs 
are only talking about 1000 Watts...on 1800 kHz and above...

Good Quality filters on EVERY phone usually works....buying replacement 
phones is a last resort...but if you want to live in the neighborhood you have to 
solve the problem.....

If I lived under the "Blanket" I would have EVERY affected member of the 
association write EVERY advertiser and tell them about the lack of the station's 
willingness to resolve the problem and that they would, and all the people they 
could influence would, boycott the station's advertisers ..... 

I'm in local AM sales myself...and these type of threats would "kill" our 
sales... they sound like a "Big Boomer" wannabe.....but they are not there 
yet...maybe 'BZ could get away with it but smaller stations don't need any more 
obstacles...

$.02

Roger
WA1KAT
From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 20:43:21 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Fri Jul 23 20:43:28 2004
Subject: RDS/ RDBS
Message-ID: <20040724004321.46735.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

My moms car has an radio in it the has RDS as a feature/option.

In playing around with it, I noticed that if you program an FM station
that has a clone, such as WOKQ 97.5/97.9/103.7, or the Shark 102.1/105.3,
that the radio will switch frequecies from one clone to another without
any human interaction. I'm guessing this is done based on signal quality??
(It reminds me of a public safety dispatch center which is tied in to
several receive sites, and a voter chooses the best signal to pass through
to the dispatcher.)
Can anyone enlighten me on what I am observing.  

I also noticed traffic messaging seems to be non-existant in New England.
I did get a message driving near Charlotte NC indicating it was a traffic
message, but in fact it was just a typical station promo message. Is the
traffic portion of RDS a subscription based service??

John
Derry NH

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From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Jul 23 21:02:40 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri Jul 23 21:02:43 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
In-Reply-To: <ac.5d842c39.2e330444@aol.com>
References: <ac.5d842c39.2e330444@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200407240102.i6O12efW066883@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:16:04 EDT, RogerKola@aol.com said:

> Good Quality filters on EVERY phone usually works....buying replacement 
> phones is a last resort...but if you want to live in the neighborhood you have to 
> solve the problem.....

Warren Shults at WLS told us about a house in Tinley Park where every
time a new phone extension was added, it was daisy-chained to the
previous end of the line, without regard to orientation (or the nearby
50-kW AM).  By the time Warren was called in to deal with the
interference, successive owners had effectively constructed a
quarter-wave vertical antenna out of phone wire.

-GAWollman

From steveord@bit-net.com  Fri Jul 23 21:42:22 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri Jul 23 21:44:03 2004
Subject: RDS/ RDBS
In-Reply-To: <20040724004321.46735.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040724004321.46735.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040723213556.01b43930@pop3.bit-net.com>

John Bolduc wrote:

>In playing around with it, I noticed that if you program an FM station
>that has a clone, such as WOKQ 97.5/97.9/103.7, or the Shark 102.1/105.3,
>that the radio will switch frequecies from one clone to another without
>any human interaction. I'm guessing this is done based on signal quality??


You can program "sister" stations' frequencies into the encoder, I'd guess 
that the receiver has a signal threshold where it looks for the alternate 
frequency.  I don't have any simulcast stations, so I don't know if both 
have to have encoders for this to work.


>I also noticed traffic messaging seems to be non-existant in New England.
>I did get a message driving near Charlotte NC indicating it was a traffic
>message, but in fact it was just a typical station promo message. Is the
>traffic portion of RDS a subscription based service??

Probably depends on the encoder the station is using.  The cheaper ($300 or 
so) ones only allow for a static 32 character "message" field, the more 
expensive units allow this field to be dynamically updated.  Some stations 
may not choose to use this function, or don't have a way to get the data to 
the transmitter site (these boxes use one of the subcarrier inputs on the 
transmitter).


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sat Jul 24 00:48:32 2004
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sat Jul 24 00:48:37 2004
Subject: Clear Channel to Experiment With Digital Radio Signals
Message-ID: <000b01c47139$7942ec00$6500a8c0@brianhome>

The Drudge Report had a link to this NYT article on Clear Channel's
embracing of the new digital radio technology.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/22/business/media/22radio.html?ei=5006&en=a71c23019d811c0f&ex=1091246400&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 24 01:50:50 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 24 01:50:22 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
In-Reply-To: <200407240102.i6O12efW066883@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <ac.5d842c39.2e330444@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4101C07A.28998.76B08D@localhost>

On 23 Jul 2004 at 21:02, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> Warren Shults at WLS told us about a house in Tinley Park where every time
> a new phone extension was added, it was daisy-chained to the previous end
> of the line, without regard to orientation (or the nearby 50-kW AM).  By
> the time Warren was called in to deal with the interference, successive
> owners had effectively constructed a quarter-wave vertical antenna out of
> phone wire.

Somehow I'm reminded of a routine that Charlie Weaver, on the old Jack Paar "Tonight" 
Show, used to do, in which he would read letters from his mother back in Mount Idy.  One of 
the characters mother used to write about was a woman who had a metal plate in her head 
as a result of an old injury.  Since the time she was struck by lightening, she could receive 
television on her glasses.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 20:23:38 2004
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Sun Jul 25 20:23:53 2004
Subject: Boston Red Sox broadcast interuptions
Message-ID: <20040726002338.72031.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

I found an e-mail address for the Program Director on the WGIR-AM website.

DanPierce@clearchannel.com

Granted the e-mail address was buried, it was there!


I sent Dan an e-mail after the most recent incident this Friday night at
10:00pm and mentioned other incidents in June/July.

He responded this Sunday evening to me. While I won't divulge the
contents, he did but forward a couple of possibilites for the
interuptions(including it being HIS fault). I found his concern genuine in
this matter.

He wants me to keep him informed of any future occurances!


John B
Derry NH



		
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From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Jul 26 00:15:32 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Mon Jul 26 00:15:48 2004
Subject: BREAKING NEWS
Message-ID: <00c501c472c7$3246dde0$6500a8c0@office>

Channel 5 broke into The West Wing at 12:10am  reporting that 4 parachutists
have landed on the Tip O'Neil Building next to the Fleet Center.  They
further report that SWAT teams were immediately mobilized - they tried to
connect with Steve Sbrasica by phone but could not make the connection.


From fox893@yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 07:01:15 2004
From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox)
Date: Mon Jul 26 07:01:34 2004
Subject: BREAKING NEWS
In-Reply-To: <00c501c472c7$3246dde0$6500a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <20040726110115.44745.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com>


What was the resolution to this?


--- gic <gary@garysicecream.com> wrote:
> Channel 5 broke into The West Wing at 12:10am 
> reporting that 4 parachutists
> have landed on the Tip O'Neil Building next to the
> Fleet Center.  They
> further report that SWAT teams were immediately
> mobilized - they tried to
> connect with Steve Sbrasica by phone but could not
> make the connection.
> 
> 
> 


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From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Mon Jul 26 07:33:28 2004
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 07:33:37 2004
Subject: BREAKING NEWS
Message-ID: <7fc57e7fcdea.7fcdea7fc57e@nyroc.rr.com>

gic <gary@garysicecream.com> wrote:
> > Channel 5 broke into The West Wing at 12:10am reporting that 4 parachutists
have landed on the Tip O'Neil Building next to the Fleet Center.  They further report that SWAT teams were ... <snip> <<
 
to which Cooper inquired:

> What was the resolution to this?
> 

one of our AM 560 WGAN morning (auditioning)hosts here in Portland, legendary newsguy Bob Dyke, called MA state police and was told that it turned out to be a hoax.  or at least that was the official MA State Police take on things.

- -Chuck Igo

From rcarpen@erols.com  Fri Jul 23 18:45:56 2004
From: rcarpen@erols.com (R J Carpenter)
Date: Mon Jul 26 14:34:35 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
References: <20040723210410.7F81CCA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<001801c470fe$afa13bc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <000901c47106$d703a7e0$1f5efea9@amd450>


Idle discussion and "he said this, they said that" in the Gazette is no
proof of anything.  One needs to read the FCC Rules.  I wouldn't trust
anything in a suburban newspaper (which comes free to my door once a week)
to be technically correct. Facts may suffer in an effort to sell papers,
since I think they have a pay edition as well.

The Montgomery Village people are out to take WMET off the air. That is no
change. Maybe the station is being uncooperative or maybe the complainers
lie outside the 1-V contour and are upset that the station won't do anything
about their $9.95 phones.

There has been some discussion on DCRTV.com, and some stations, like WTOP,
are said to continue to try to help their whiners (spelt whingers in
British). WTOP has a couple of good full-time engineers.

I rather doubt that the FCC Rules absolve stations just because almost
everything is a Minor Change these days.  That would be the ultimate example
of legislating physics out of existence.

Radio hams using 50 MHz have troubles from complaints of interference to
baby monitors and phones the FCC put on 49.990 MHz.  The complainers are not
satisfied when they read the notice on the phones that says they must accept
ANY interference and stop using the phones if they CAUSE interference.
Maybe the WMET case is similar, maybe it isn't.


One of us needs to look up "blanketing interference" up in the current
Rules.


The sky about to open with a downpour according to the radar.

Bob Carpenter



From rcarpen@erols.com  Fri Jul 23 20:02:00 2004
From: rcarpen@erols.com (R J Carpenter)
Date: Mon Jul 26 14:34:38 2004
Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
References: <20040723210410.7F81CCA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<001801c470fe$afa13bc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <000401c47111$8d497200$1f5efea9@amd450>

The storm took out my electricity for only about 25 minutes.

The following is straight from the GPO, which maintains the current FCC
Rules online.

I don't see any change from the 1-V requirement, nor the one-year limit on
fiscal responsibility.  Changes and CPs are specifically mentioned as
restarting the clock.

I could interpret these rules as excluding effects on wired, non-RF,
telephones. IMO, most stations would make an effort to help solve such
problems.  I see such comments in broadcast.net groups.

Bob Carpenter
============================================================
PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents

                     Subpart A_AM Broadcast Stations

Sec.  73.88  Blanketing interference.

    The licensee of each broadcast station is required to satisfy all
reasonable complaints of blanketing interference within the 1 V/m
contour.

    Note: For more detailed instructions concerning operational
responsibilities of licensees and permittees under this section, see
Sec.  73.318 (b), (c) and (d).

[28 FR 13574, Dec. 14, 1963, as amended at 56 FR 64859, Dec. 12, 1991]

============================================================
And the paragraphs 73.318 (b), (c) and (d) in the FM rules as mentioned
above.
------------------------------------------------------------

                     Subpart B_FM Broadcast Stations

Sec.  73.318  FM blanketing interference.

    (b) After January 1, 1985, permittees or licensees who either (1)
commence program tests, or (2) replace their antennas, or (3) request
facilities modifications and are issued a new construction permit must
satisfy all complaints of blanketing interference which are received by
the station during a one year period. The period begins with the
commencement of program tests, or commencement of programming utilizing
the new antenna. Resolution of complaints shall be at no cost to the
complainant. These requirements specifically do not include interference
complaints resulting from malfunctioning or mistuned receivers,
improperly installed antenna systems, or the use of high gain antennas
or antenna booster amplifiers. Mobile receivers and non-RF devices such
as tape recorders or hi-fi amplifiers (phonographs) are also excluded.
    (c) A permittee collocating with one or more existing stations and
beginning program tests on or after January 1, 1985, must assume full
financial responsibility for remedying new complaints of blanketing
interference for a period of one year. Two or more permittees that
concurrently collocate on or after January 1, 1985, shall assume shared
responsibility for remedying blanketing complaints within the blanketing
area unless an offending station can be readily determined and then that
station shall assume full financial responsibility.
    (d) Following the one year period of full financial obligation to
satisfy blanketing complaints, licensees shall provide technical
information or assistance to complainants on remedies for blanketing
interference.

[28 FR 13623, Dec. 14, 1963, as amended at 52 FR 25866, July 9, 1987]
============================================================











----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@lycos.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Cc: <rcarpen@erols.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?


> I am under the impression that if an AM station upgrades its facilities,
it
> must satisfy, at its own expense, for a period of one year from the date
> that the FCC licenses the new facilities, all complaints of interference
> from people who reside within the 1V/m contour. The article implies
> otherwise--that is, that the requirement exists only for major changes.
> Hardly any changes, other than COL changes and frequency changes of more
> than 20 kHz, qualify as AM major changes anymore. I wonder if the
relaxation
> of the meaning of minor change has had the effect of letting stations off
> the hook on interference. If so, the baby has clearly been thrown out with
> the bath water. Neighbors' opposition to facility upgrades has multiplied
> many-fold over the past decade. Removing stations' responsibility for
> recitfying complaints of interference just adds fuel (lots of it) to the
> NIMBYs' case. Considering the militancy of the Montgomery county populace
> and the cleverness of WMET's upgrade, it is amazing to me that the station
> isn't going out of its way to satisfy complaints. (The station used to
> operate on 1150 with 1 kW-D/500W-N DA-2 from five towers. By moving to
1160,
> WMET was able to increase to 50 kW-D/1.5 kW-N DA-2 using the SAME five
> towers. The daytime power increase brings substantially all of the
district
> of Columbia into WMET's daytime 5 mV/m "city-grade" contour. Like the Oak
> Hill NIMBYs, the Gaithersburg crowd was not going to allow ANY change that
> involved ANY modification to the towers. By finding a way to use the
> existing towers, WMET was able to get its way despite the neighbors'
> objections. This doesn't seem like the time to behave in a high-handed way
> that allows the whole deal unravel--even if the FCC rules allow the
station
> to ignore the complaints. But then, the long-time money-losing station's
> lengthy series of management teams has apparently never won any awards for
> intelligence.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@lycos.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:04 PM
> Subject: Interference In MD, Similar To What Newton Could Experience?
>
>
> > Here's a link to a story about the interference residents
> > near Gaithersburg, MD are experiencing from an AM
> > station's upgrade to 50KW.  As of now, the residents
> > of Oak Hill Pahk in Newton (yea I got it right this time)
> > have nothing to fear, unless CCU appeals AND
> > greases the palms of the right politicians.
> >
> > http://www.gazette.net/200430/montgomery/news/227051-1.html
> > --
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From Dfaneuf@WBUR.BU.EDU  Mon Jul 26 21:37:10 2004
From: Dfaneuf@WBUR.BU.EDU (Dave Faneuf)
Date: Mon Jul 26 21:38:03 2004
Subject: BREAKING NEWS
Message-ID: <41057985.13186.90D20C@localhost>

We got wind of this as well, but we 
checked it out first and discovered it 
was a hoax.  Below is part of an email I 
got through one of our editors.  Taylor-
Miller mentioned is a Boston PD 
contact.  
Dave

channel five said they heard 
scanner traffic and ran with the 
news...although taylor-miller said 
channel five didn't call the joint 
info center to confirm or 
clarify...before going on air with 
it.

From ecps92@earthlink.net  Tue Jul 27 01:24:06 2004
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill)
Date: Tue Jul 27 01:27:45 2004
Subject: BREAKING NEWS
References: <41057985.13186.90D20C@localhost>
Message-ID: <049501c4739a$1daf44c0$6701a8c0@net>

Sounded Real, with the Radio traffic going on, from First Call until I went
to bed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Faneuf" <Dfaneuf@WBUR.BU.EDU>
To: <bri@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 21:37
Subject: BREAKING NEWS


> We got wind of this as well, but we
> checked it out first and discovered it
> was a hoax.  Below is part of an email I
> got through one of our editors.  Taylor-
> Miller mentioned is a Boston PD
> contact.
> Dave
>
> channel five said they heard
> scanner traffic and ran with the
> news...although taylor-miller said
> channel five didn't call the joint
> info center to confirm or
> clarify...before going on air with
> it.
>

From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Wed Jul 28 16:50:03 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Wed Jul 28 16:50:07 2004
Subject: Salem News: Generosa--WBZ's Talk-Show Regular
Message-ID: <4108117B.A17F651D@Programmer.Net>

Anyone who's heard one of "Generosa from Peabody"'s late night/early
morning calls on WBZ will enjoy this article:

        
http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/frame/getpage2.pl?cgi-bin/s/thestoryv2.pl+slug-generosa

? PEABODY - Generosa Aiello has a beautiful voice for radio, lively
? and intelligent. But after more than 25 years as a predawn
? caller to WBZ, she still worries about the way she sounds.

     ~Kaimbridge~

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From markwats@comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 21:41:37 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:41:46 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic On The 3's Sponsored By The Competition
Message-ID: <00a801c4750d$30b5c520$6f918318@Mark>

   Monday afternoon, I heard one of WBZ Radio's "Traffic On The 3's" reports
sponsored by Smart Traveler. If I'm not mistaken, WBZ's traffic reports come
from Metro Traffic. I thought I saw somewhere that Metro and Shadow are
owned by Clear Channel, who owns Smart Traveler? Can anyone clarify/confirm?

Mark Watson


From ssmyth@psu.edu  Wed Jul 28 21:48:37 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:48:46 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic On The 3's Sponsored By The Competition
Message-ID: <200407290148.VAA27127@webmail10.cac.psu.edu>

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:41:37 +0000, "Mark Watson" wrote:
>    Monday afternoon, I heard one of WBZ Radio's "Traffic On The 3's" reports
> sponsored by Smart Traveler. If I'm not mistaken, WBZ's traffic reports come
> from Metro Traffic. I thought I saw somewhere that Metro and Shadow are
> owned by Clear Channel, who owns Smart Traveler? Can anyone clarify/confirm?

Metro, Shadow and SmarTraveler are all owned by either Infinity or Westwood One
(I forget which). I read about Clear Channel *thinking* of starting up its own
traffic service but that's it.

From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 28 22:01:55 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:02:06 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic On The 3's Sponsored By The Competition
References: <200407290148.VAA27127@webmail10.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <006b01c47510$06bde010$6500a8c0@office>

Actually Clear Channel HAS started their own traffic service - it is
headquartered in Medford - probably at the WXKS building.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Smyth" <ssmyth@psu.edu>
To: "Mark Watson" <markwats@comcast.net>
Cc: "Boston Radio" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: WBZ Traffic On The 3's Sponsored By The Competition


> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:41:37 +0000, "Mark Watson" wrote:
> >    Monday afternoon, I heard one of WBZ Radio's "Traffic On The 3's"
reports
> > sponsored by Smart Traveler. If I'm not mistaken, WBZ's traffic reports
come
> > from Metro Traffic. I thought I saw somewhere that Metro and Shadow are
> > owned by Clear Channel, who owns Smart Traveler? Can anyone
clarify/confirm?
>
> Metro, Shadow and SmarTraveler are all owned by either Infinity or
Westwood One
> (I forget which). I read about Clear Channel *thinking* of starting up its
own
> traffic service but that's it.
>

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Jul 28 23:17:33 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed Jul 28 23:17:45 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic On The 3's Sponsored By The Competition
In-Reply-To: <200407290148.VAA27127@webmail10.cac.psu.edu>
References: <200407290148.VAA27127@webmail10.cac.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <200407290317.i6T3HX5P025301@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:48:37 -0400 (EDT), "Sean Smyth" <ssmyth@psu.edu> said:

> Metro, Shadow and SmarTraveler are all owned by either Infinity or
> Westwood One (I forget which).

They are all nominally owned by Westwood One, but since WON is a paper
tiger, this is a distinction without a difference.

The official names of the companies, BTW, are (or at least were) Metro
Networks, Shadow Broadcast Services, and SmartRoute Systems.

-GAWollman

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Jul 29 13:47:58 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Jul 29 13:46:22 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic
Message-ID: <200407291347.AA387776558@mail.ttlc.net>

Is it my fertile, fanciful, frenetic imagination?  Or do the tenacious, traffic reporters on WBZ actually agonize over the traffic situations and labor long to be appealingly, alliterative in their brisk, breezy reports?

frequent examples:

Auburn to Allston (Mass Pike)
Peabody to Ponkapog (sp?)
Windham to Woburn (Route 93)




From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Jul 29 14:10:40 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Jul 29 14:09:04 2004
Subject: WBZ Convention Coverage
Message-ID: <200407291410.AA447873324@mail.ttlc.net>

Frequently, I hear WBZ tout itself as THE Convention Station.  Yet, for the last two nights, (while driving home from work between 10:00 and 11:30) I heard Paul Sullivan and guests yak up a storm, but to actually hear the speeches (Ron Reagan Jr, Theresa Heinz, etc.), I had to tune to WRKO (Oh, the humanity!)(thanx Bill-O).  In fact, last night WBZ switched to a live CBS feed for John Glenn's melodramatic "thank YOU Minnesota for deferring to the Great State of Ohio! We hereby (yada yada) cast our 159 votes for that Great Senator from Massachusetts - John Kerry!!!" climax to the nomination process.

Naively, I expected to hear it all.  Does WBZ not have its own floor feed?

From steveord@bit-net.com  Thu Jul 29 14:38:38 2004
From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu Jul 29 14:38:46 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic
In-Reply-To: <200407291347.AA387776558@mail.ttlc.net>
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Roger Kirk asked...
> Is it my fertile, fanciful, frenetic imagination?  Or do the tenacious,
> traffic reporters on WBZ actually agonize over the traffic situations
> and labor long to be appealingly, alliterative in their brisk, breezy
> reports?
>
> frequent examples:
>
> Auburn to Allston (Mass Pike)
> Peabody to Ponkapog (sp?)
> Windham to Woburn (Route 93)


Much like Elliot Abrahms' pun-filled weather forecasts?

I've noticed a few inconsistencies in landmarks.  I've heard the
supermarket that straddles the Mass. Pike in Newton referred to sometimes
as the Star Market (or Stop & Shop...always get those confused), other
times as the "supermarket overpass".  At least I'm assuming both
descriptions are for the same landmark.




From francini@mac.com  Thu Jul 29 15:03:23 2004
From: francini@mac.com (francini@mac.com)
Date: Thu Jul 29 15:03:31 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic
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It's a Star Market -- or at least it was three weeks ago when I was 
there last.  If it changes anytime soon, it'll be to a Shaw's. The same 
company has owned both chains for a few years now, and has been slowly 
converting Star Markets to Shaw's -- usually coupled with a 
renovation/expansion.  I'd guess that it's not likely that the "Star 
over the Pike" will get expanded anytime soon unless they add a floor 
above the existing one...

John Francini


On Jul 29, 2004, at 2:38 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Roger Kirk asked...
>> Is it my fertile, fanciful, frenetic imagination?  Or do the 
>> tenacious,
>> traffic reporters on WBZ actually agonize over the traffic situations
>> and labor long to be appealingly, alliterative in their brisk, breezy
>> reports?
>>
>> frequent examples:
>>
>> Auburn to Allston (Mass Pike)
>> Peabody to Ponkapog (sp?)
>> Windham to Woburn (Route 93)
>
>
> Much like Elliot Abrahms' pun-filled weather forecasts?
>
> I've noticed a few inconsistencies in landmarks.  I've heard the
> supermarket that straddles the Mass. Pike in Newton referred to 
> sometimes
> as the Star Market (or Stop & Shop...always get those confused), other
> times as the "supermarket overpass".  At least I'm assuming both
> descriptions are for the same landmark.
>
>
>
>

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Thu Jul 29 15:35:52 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Thu Jul 29 15:34:15 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic
Message-ID: <200407291535.AA512557194@mail.ttlc.net>

francini@mac.com wrote:
>It's a Star Market -- or at least it was three weeks ago when I was 
>there last.  If it changes anytime soon, it'll be to a Shaw's. The 
>same company has owned both chains for a few years now, and has been 
>slowly converting Star Markets to Shaw's -- usually coupled with a 
>renovation/expansion.  

One must also take into account the fact that Shaws was recently purchased by Albertsons and they may have plans for name change (the ever-so-typical corporate "no changes are planned at this time" stance notwithstanding).  

IIRC, Murphy dictates that any plans to change the name to Albertsons must occur after the "Star to Shaws" conversions have been completed.
From ssmyth@psu.edu  Thu Jul 29 15:43:48 2004
From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu Jul 29 15:43:59 2004
Subject: WBZ Traffic
Message-ID: <200407291943.PAA16538@webmail4.cac.psu.edu>

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:35:52 +0000, "rogerkirk" wrote:
> One must also take into account the fact that Shaws was recently purchased by
Albertsons and they may have plans for name change (the ever-so-typical
corporate "no changes are planned at this time" stance notwithstanding).  
> 
> IIRC, Murphy dictates that any plans to change the name to Albertsons must
occur after the "Star to Shaws" conversions have been completed.

Not to turn this into boston-supermarkets-interest... but Albertson's (and
Kroger and other national supermarket companies) generally tend to keep
regional chain names. If there's one retailing sector where national
brand-naming hasn't worked, it's the supermarket field.

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Jul 29 23:57:17 2004
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu Jul 29 23:57:23 2004
Subject: Bob Edwards/WBUR on XM Satellite Radio
Message-ID: <200407300357.XAA09929@colossus.bilow.com>

XM radio is now touting a new show featuring Bob Edwards, Public Radio
International, American Public Media and, yes, WBUR, to debut on their
system on 9/1.

Knowing what rabid WBUR fans/detractors that we have in this group, I
thought that I'd pass this along.

Here's a link to the splash page:

http://www.xmradio.com/index.jsp

Here's links to the press releases:

http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/pr_2004_07_29.html

http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/pr_2004_07_29_2.html

Brian T. Vita, President
Xenonbulb.com
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
(888)35-XENON
Fax (800)329-2775
www.xenonbulb.com

From gary@garysicecream.com  Fri Jul 30 18:05:40 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Fri Jul 30 18:05:50 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <044501c47681$5a3a3780$6500a8c0@office>

I'm beginning to wonder.  For the second time in a few days NewsCenter5 (at
6) was quoting what they said was "police transmissions we are monitoring".
Isn't there still a law that says you can listen to police and other private
communciations, but cannot repeat them (or has that law been done away
with).  I know some years ago a local newsman in Lowell got in big trouble
for repeating on air what he heard on the scanner.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Jul 30 20:56:58 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri Jul 30 20:57:03 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:05 PM
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules


> I'm beginning to wonder.  For the second time in a few days NewsCenter5
(at
> 6) was quoting what they said was "police transmissions we are
monitoring".
> Isn't there still a law that says you can listen to police and other
private
> communciations, but cannot repeat them (or has that law been done away
> with).  I know some years ago a local newsman in Lowell got in big trouble
> for repeating on air what he heard on the scanner.

I am not sure if we are talking about the same law, but the Supreme Court
struck down a law that outlawed the broadcast of illegally taped phone
calls.  A radio station broadcast an illegally taped call where a union
official threatened violence.  The tape had been given to the station.  The
court said the taping of the call could be illegal but banning the broadcast
violated the first amendment.  It seems to me that the same principle
applies here.  If the station did not break the law by listening to the
transmission.  They should be able to use the information.


From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Fri Jul 30 21:19:31 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Fri Jul 30 21:18:07 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
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On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 08:56  PM, Dan Billings wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gic" <gary@garysicecream.com>

>> I'm beginning to wonder.  For the second time in a few days 
>> NewsCenter5
> (at
>> 6) was quoting what they said was "police transmissions we are
> monitoring".
>> Isn't there still a law that says you can listen to police and other
> private
>> communciations, but cannot repeat them (or has that law been done away
>> with).

> I am not sure if we are talking about the same law, but the Supreme 
> Court
> struck down a law that outlawed the broadcast of illegally taped phone
> calls.

The law in question is quoted on this website:

http://www.police-scanner.info/introscan.htm

"It is illegal to disclose information you hear [on a scanner] to other 
persons. "

That's how I remember it from my newsgathering days of quite a whiile 
ago.  You had to confirm anything you heard on a scanner from an 
outside source before you could broadcast the information.  It's not 
just illegal to broadcast it, it's illegal to tell the information to 
anyone at all.  It's not an FCC rule, it's federal law.  There's a link 
on that page to the entire relevant law, if anybody wants to slog 
through all of that.

Mark

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Jul 30 22:34:22 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Jul 30 22:45:33 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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Am I the only one who was puzzled by all of the technical glitches and 
problems that CNN had covering the convention this week? I felt bad for 
Anderson Cooper, whose mike kept going out whenever he tried to interview 
anyone-- and the other anchors had similar problems. But the worst part for 
CNN was when the Kerry speech concluded last night-- as I am sure many of 
you have heard or read by now, somebody left the mike open and you could 
hear the convention director shouting out orders (nobody figured out to 
kill his mike, I guess); and when the balloons and confetti didn't fall 
down quickly enough, the guy dropped the F bomb. Nobody wants to admit 
whose bright idea it was or to explain how this could happen... I wonder if 
CNN will get into trouble over it... Wolf Blitzer was apologising 
frantically for the "offensive word" (a Dick Cheney moment!), but I found 
the entire week of coverage odd-- one would expect CNN would have worked 
out those glitches ages ago, yet night after night, things went wrong. I 
thought NECN had excellent coverage.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Jul 30 23:28:17 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri Jul 30 23:28:22 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: does channel 5 know FCC rules
> The law in question is quoted on this website:
>
> http://www.police-scanner.info/introscan.htm
>
> "It is illegal to disclose information you hear [on a scanner] to other
> persons. "

That's just nuts.  Telling your wife what you hear on a scanner is illegal.

Does anyone know if this law has ever faced a constitutional challenge?



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Jul 30 23:29:56 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri Jul 30 23:30:01 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: What they heard on CNN


> Am I the only one who was puzzled by all of the technical glitches and
> problems that CNN had covering the convention this week? I felt bad for
> Anderson Cooper, whose mike kept going out whenever he tried to interview
> anyone-- 

I didn't watch any of the coverage.  I have a hard time with the former host
of a reality show doing the news.  Same goes for the women on CBS.  Maybe
when Rather retires, they will replace him with Jeff Probst.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Jul 30 23:43:01 2004
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri Jul 30 23:43:41 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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>Dan wrote--
>I didn't watch any of the coverage.  I have a hard time with the former host
>of a reality show doing the news.

In fairness to Anderson, the man has paid his dues.  He has done a lot more 
than just host a reality show.  In fact, he has a very solid background in 
hard news, having done the international beat in Viet Nam, Haiti, and 
elsewhere.  I thought he did a commendable job with the political stuff-- 
yes he can do celebrity fluff, but he is also very good at reporting.





From billings@suscom-maine.net  Fri Jul 30 23:48:29 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Fri Jul 30 23:48:33 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: What they heard on CNN


> In fairness to Anderson, the man has paid his dues.  He has done a lot
more
> than just host a reality show.  In fact, he has a very solid background in
> hard news, having done the international beat in Viet Nam, Haiti, and
> elsewhere.  I thought he did a commendable job with the political stuff-- 
> yes he can do celebrity fluff, but he is also very good at reporting.

His job right before going to CNN was still the host of "The Mole" on ABC.
Maybe he paid his dues, but that is still what I see when I see him on CNN.


From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jul 31 00:09:44 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:09:51 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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I watched what parts of the convention I did watch on C-SPAN, and
occasionally listened to David Brudnoy on WBZ (who was apparently on
C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" this morning).  I don't see any reason
why these events should be covered on broadcast television, and maybe
even the cable "news" networks.  It's a perfect fit for the C-SPAN
crowd (and I would note that C-SPAN also carried the -- much shorter
-- Libertarian and Green Party conventions), and of very little
relevance to the rest of the populace.  Hopefully, next time the
networks (if they cover the thing at all) will only cover one night.

-GAWollman

From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sat Jul 31 00:29:44 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:28:21 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 12:09  AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> I watched what parts of the convention I did watch on C-SPAN, and
> occasionally listened to David Brudnoy on WBZ (who was apparently on
> C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" this morning).  I don't see any reason
> why these events should be covered on broadcast television, and maybe
> even the cable "news" networks.

I thought it was great watching it on C-SPAN, without all the 
blathering commentary on the networks.  Many of the cable news networks 
used it as a noisy backdrop for their regular shows, and talked all 
over the speeches and other events.  Jon Stewart of the Daily Show had 
a great bit last night, mocking MSNBC's "analysis" of a couple of the 
events where it was painfully obvious they weren't even watching what 
they were analyzing.  Too bad, as the Herald pointed out, the Daily 
Show taped their shows and they were almost 24 hours behind the action.

While C-SPAN was perfect for watching the convention this year, that 
wouldn't always be the case.  In many other years when there's been a 
floor fight or a close ballot, reporters have had much more value and 
interest than many of the speakers.  It's always possible that style 
convention could happen again.  This year, the reporters only served as 
distractions.

Mark

From scott@fybush.com  Sat Jul 31 00:31:10 2004
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:31:17 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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At 12:09 AM 7/31/2004, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>I watched what parts of the convention I did watch on C-SPAN, and
>occasionally listened to David Brudnoy on WBZ (who was apparently on
>C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" this morning).  I don't see any reason
>why these events should be covered on broadcast television, and maybe
>even the cable "news" networks.  It's a perfect fit for the C-SPAN
>crowd (and I would note that C-SPAN also carried the -- much shorter
>-- Libertarian and Green Party conventions), and of very little
>relevance to the rest of the populace.  Hopefully, next time the
>networks (if they cover the thing at all) will only cover one night.

That said, it was frustrating - and then some - to be driving into Omaha 
last night and not be able to find even ONE local station carrying Kerry's 
acceptance speech.

Not KFAB - it was carrying Michael Savage commenting on (er, attacking) 
Kerry's speech. Not its news-talk competitor KKAR - it was carrying Sean 
Hannity commenting on (attacking) Kerry's speech. Not NPR affil KIOS-FM - 
it was running BBC World Service.

Ended up listening through the static and skywave fading to KOMA from 
Oklahoma City.

I'm not saying radio had to carry the whole thing - but to have two 
"news-talk" stations carrying the same brand of commentary ON an event in 
lieu of the event itself wasn't particularly a public service.

s


From gary@garysicecream.com  Sat Jul 31 00:43:59 2004
From: gary@garysicecream.com (gic)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:44:10 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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Thats why you need either XM or Sirius
From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul 31 00:47:25 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:47:31 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: What they heard on CNN


> Hopefully, next time the
> networks (if they cover the thing at all) will only cover one night.

I agree.  We've had this discussion before and with multiple channels, there
is no need for every channel to cover such events.

Maybe one of the parties with cut their convention down to a weekend event.
Conventions are really just a historical relic.  They serve no important
purpose other than to get some press for the nominee.  Cut the convention
down to a weekend and put the Presidential nominee on Sunday night which is
a big TV viewing night.

-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul 31 00:50:10 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:50:14 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Laurence" <mlaurence@mindspring.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: What they heard on CNN


> In many other years when there's been a
> floor fight or a close ballot, reporters have had much more value and
> interest than many of the speakers.  It's always possible that style
> convention could happen again.

Not likely.  When was the last time that happened?

The '80 Republican Convention had some suspense because of the talk of Ford
as VP.  In '76, the Ford-Reagan contest was somewhat interesting but
everyone knew Ford had the votes.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul 31 00:51:23 2004
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat Jul 31 00:51:27 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; "Donna Halper"
<dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: What they heard on CNN

> That said, it was frustrating - and then some - to be driving into Omaha
> last night and not be able to find even ONE local station carrying Kerry's
> acceptance speech.

Wow.  In Maine, WGAN carried the major speeches, as did Maine Public Radio.


From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 31 01:30:20 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 31 01:29:35 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN
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On 31 Jul 2004 at 0:50, Dan Billings wrote:

> The '80 Republican Convention had some suspense because of the talk of
> Ford as VP.  In '76, the Ford-Reagan contest was somewhat interesting but
> everyone knew Ford had the votes.

And the '80 Democratic convention, where there was still a lot of tension between Jimmy 
Carter and Ted Kennedy, and there were efforts, ultimately unsuccessful, to adopt rules that 
would free delegates from primary commitments.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 31 01:30:20 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 31 01:29:40 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN
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On 31 Jul 2004 at 0:47, Dan Billings wrote:

> Maybe one of the parties with cut their convention down to a weekend
> event. Conventions are really just a historical relic.  They serve no
> important purpose other than to get some press for the nominee.  

They also serve the purpose of bringing the party together and rallying the troups.  This is no 
small thing in a large-scale political organization.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
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From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Jul 31 06:49:10 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Jul 31 06:49:20 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040730223357.028cfe68@pop.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <000201c476ec$03869e90$0300a8c0@boneill>

Donna writes:  ...as I am
> sure many of
> you have heard or read by now, somebody left the mike open
> and you could
> hear the convention director shouting out orders <snip> the guy dropped the F
bomb.

It made for a headline on Drudge (with audio bite).  They guy is considered to
be a warhorse of this kind of stuff from LA, etc. It was CNN's request for a
background-only mic in his booth for flavor on the broadcast.  I guess "open
mic" has a different meaning to those at CNN.  Candidate Kerry has dropped that
bomb intentionally in recent weeks when with youth-oriented print media.
Blitzer's comment about the network pulling a "Cheney" referencing the veep's
recent dropping of the F bomb was significant for what it reveals to the world
about partisan lean.

Bill O'Neill

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Jul 31 07:31:25 2004
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Sat Jul 31 07:32:23 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040730223357.028cfe68@pop.registeredsite.com><5.1.0.14.2.20040730234031.028ea688@pop.registeredsite.com><000e01c476b1$3e55b5f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><200407310409.i6V49i8k048454@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
	<6.0.1.1.0.20040731002229.01d633c8@gwind.pair.com>
Message-ID: <002801c476f2$0a40d240$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

And who owns KFAB and KKAR? I suspect that I know. But for an NPR station
not to carry the speech and to carry the Beeb instead--incredible! Of
course, Nebraska is almost as Republican as, say, Idaho or Montana. (But
wasn't Mike Mansfield, the famous Montana senator of 50 or so years ago, a
Democrat?) Maybe the KIOS underwriters would have pulled the station's
funding if it had broadcast Kerry's speech.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
To: Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; Donna Halper
<dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: What they heard on CNN


> That said, it was frustrating - and then some - to be driving into Omaha
> last night and not be able to find even ONE local station carrying Kerry's
> acceptance speech.
>
> Not KFAB - it was carrying Michael Savage commenting on (er, attacking)
> Kerry's speech. Not its news-talk competitor KKAR - it was carrying Sean
> Hannity commenting on (attacking) Kerry's speech. Not NPR affil KIOS-FM -
> it was running BBC World Service.

From sid@wrko.com  Sat Jul 31 10:21:16 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat Jul 31 10:21:51 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <s10b72ac.096@entbalhs1>

>>That's just nuts.  Telling your wife what you hear on a scanner is illegal.<<

Yes, it is illegal.  Section 705 of the Communications Act (47 USC ?605; too long to quote here) says so.  Short version:  If a radio transmission is not intended to be received by the general public (i.e., not a "broadcast" within the Act's definition), then divulging its contents to a third party is illegal.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net  Sat Jul 31 10:40:56 2004
From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk)
Date: Sat Jul 31 10:39:17 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <200407311040.AA272498926@mail.ttlc.net>

"Sid Schweiger" wrote:
>Yes, it is illegal.  Short version:  If a radio transmission is not 
>intended to be received by the general public (i.e., not a "broadcast" 
>within the Act's definition), then divulging its contents to a third 
>party is illegal.

Is this the law that the Cell Phone Industry asked for to give cell phone users a false sense of security about their conversations?

From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sat Jul 31 11:03:27 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sat Jul 31 11:03:42 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <14342601.1091286207405.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

No, this has been the law for a lot longer than cell phones have been in use.  The page cited has it as part of the ECPA of 1986, but the original law that you could not divulge scanner content (protected as private radio conversation) has been in place much longer than that.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: rogerkirk <rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net>

Is this the law that the Cell Phone Industry asked for to give cell phone users a false sense of security about their conversations?




From radiotony@comcast.net  Sat Jul 31 11:36:12 2004
From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella)
Date: Sat Jul 31 11:36:22 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
References: <000201c476ec$03869e90$0300a8c0@boneill>
Message-ID: <006d01c47714$1c4260e0$6400a8c0@tony>

Partisan leaning? More like "inside the beltway"
smartassism.

My wife and I watched as much of the convention as
we could, flipping between C-Span, FoxNews and
MSNBC. I like to watch Chris Matthews' "Hardball"
but found Andrea Mitchell obnoxious and Howard
Fineman smug and obnoxious. They were too much to
bear. And how come no one mentions that Mitchell
might have a conflict because she is married to
Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan? Should she be
anywhere near the news? Both Joe Scarborough and
Willie Brown were entertaining and added relevant
comments, I thought. I really wish Matthews would
have varied the panel a bit.

I have to hand it to FoxNews for scheduling cool
debates with Janeane Garafalo facing off against
Sean Hannity, and Michael Moore facing off with
Bill O'Reilly. It was great television. However, I
could have used a little bit less of the
commentary from Newt Gingrich, who was allowed to
unanswerably attack Kerry and the Democrats on
multiple nights on the "Sell-a-book & Colmes"
show. I hope, for the sake of "fair & balance,"
that some liberal will be allowed to attack Bush
and the Democrats on multiple nights during the
Republican convention without any comment from the
hosts.

Best,
Tony Schinella
radiotony@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billo@shoreham.net>
To: "'Donna Halper'" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: What they heard on CNN


> Donna writes:  ...as I am
> > sure many of
> > you have heard or read by now, somebody left
the mike open
> > and you could
> > hear the convention director shouting out
orders <snip> the guy dropped the F
> bomb.
>
> It made for a headline on Drudge (with audio
bite).  They guy is considered to
> be a warhorse of this kind of stuff from LA,
etc. It was CNN's request for a
> background-only mic in his booth for flavor on
the broadcast.  I guess "open
> mic" has a different meaning to those at CNN.
Candidate Kerry has dropped that
> bomb intentionally in recent weeks when with
youth-oriented print media.
> Blitzer's comment about the network pulling a
"Cheney" referencing the veep's
> recent dropping of the F bomb was significant
for what it reveals to the world
> about partisan lean.
>
> Bill O'Neill
>
>

From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Jul 31 12:54:42 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Jul 31 12:54:57 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN 
In-Reply-To: <006d01c47714$1c4260e0$6400a8c0@tony>
Message-ID: <004d01c4771f$13f60bc0$0300a8c0@boneill>

I hope, for the sake of "fair & balance,"
> that some liberal will be allowed to attack Bush
> and the Democrats on multiple nights during the
> Republican convention without any comment from the
> hosts.
> 
> Best,
> Tony Schinella
> radiotony@comcast.net

You'll be very satisfied, IMO.  Plenty on the way!

Bill O'Neill

From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Jul 31 13:00:22 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Jul 31 13:00:34 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
In-Reply-To: <200407311040.AA272498926@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c4771f$df0736e0$0300a8c0@boneill>

Roger writes:
> Is this the law that the Cell Phone Industry asked for to
> give cell phone users a false sense of security about their
> conversations?

We use UHF band 2 ways on the EMT squad here.  We all assume that everything we
are saying is being monitored by many people.  (And we may be right.)  So, we
rarely give full names of patients and even go by "Tech" numbers when speaking
to one another.  It's considered our fault if we breach confidentiality, not the
scanner listener who relates it.   Cells are intended for privacy (although are
not).  Similarly, I don't give out private info on the cell or say too much that
could be a breach.

Bill O'Neill
Shoreham, Vt.

From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jul 31 13:58:18 2004
From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat Jul 31 13:58:24 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN
In-Reply-To: <410AF62C.26820.1DF2285@localhost>
References: <000a01c476b9$7a051fc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af>
	<410AF62C.26820.1DF2285@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407311758.i6VHwIKB054051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:20 -0400, "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyross.com> said:

> They also serve the purpose of bringing the party together and
> rallying the troups.  This is no small thing in a large-scale
> political organization.

That may be a good thing for a political party, but it's not clear
what relevance it has to a broadcaster making a choice about what to
cover.

-GAWollman

From billo@shoreham.net  Sat Jul 31 14:15:15 2004
From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat Jul 31 14:15:25 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN
In-Reply-To: <200407311758.i6VHwIKB054051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <005401c4772a$54fb3ea0$0300a8c0@boneill>

> That may be a good thing for a political party, but it's not clear
> what relevance it has to a broadcaster making a choice about what to
> cover.
>
> -GAWollman

Agreed. A pundit tried to explain the benefits of the protracted convention by
describing the "back room" stuff that happens (read: open bar).  The reporters
on the floor, were once adorned by low band wireless headphones with 35 foot
antennae atop their noggins, amidst "states" where there was real action,
dissention and deal making going on.  Now, with the chic but useless sets CNN
passed around to guests and anchors, and the whole process one mega-infomercial,
the floor reporters looked woefully out of place and irrelevant.  The event,
outside of prime, was little more than a convenient backdrop for regular
programming on cable nets, all replete with convention ad buys.

I was glad VPR b'cast most of the evening convention activity.  I worked late a
lot last week in my office and got more out of NOT seeing the action.
Especially Hillary & Bill's awkward intrusions.

Bill O'Neill

From tklaundry@juno.com  Sat Jul 31 15:48:15 2004
From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf)
Date: Sat Jul 31 15:46:19 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <20040731.154815.-742151.3.tklaundry@juno.com>

Gary wrote:
"I'm beginning to wonder.  For the second time in a few days NewsCenter5
(at
6) was quoting what they said was "police transmissions we are
monitoring".
Isn't there still a law that says you can listen to police and other
private
communciations, but cannot repeat them (or has that law been done away
with).  I know some years ago a local newsman in Lowell got in big
trouble
for repeating on air what he heard on the scanner."


Not only is it illegal, is it just plan sloppy and lazy journalism.  As
someone
who has listened to police calls for decades, I can vouch for the fact
that many of
them are bogus.  You never never never go on the air with anything you
hear on the 
scanner without another source backing up the information.  Someone at
Channel 5
should be fired.
Dave
PS.  I don't remember the incident in Lowell,  email me off list and fill
me in.
From sid@wrko.com  Sat Jul 31 15:54:05 2004
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat Jul 31 15:56:23 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <s10bc0ac.024@entbalhs1>

>>Is this the law that the Cell Phone Industry asked for to give cell phone users a false sense of security about their conversations?<

No.  This section of the Act has been around for at least several decades longer than the added-on cell-phone provision (which had to do with the elderly couple who eavesdropped on Newt Gingrich and his indiscretions, via a scanner which could tune to cellular-phone frequencies).

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC
WAAF-WEEI AM/FM-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Jul 31 16:45:17 2004
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat Jul 31 16:45:25 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
References: <20040731.154815.-742151.3.tklaundry@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c4773f$4ad49fb0$6f918318@Mark>

Dave Faneuf wrote:

> Not only is it illegal, is it just plan sloppy and lazy >journalism.  As
someone who has listened to police calls >for decades, I can vouch for the
fact that many of
> them are bogus.  You never never never go on the air >with anything you
hear on the scanner without another >source backing up the information.
Someone >at Channel 5 should be fired.

    Channel 5 did just that last Sunday night with the reported parachuters
landing near the Fleet Center. Apparently they heard the call go out on the
police scanner and ran with it, breaking into programming after Midnight
with a report. Turns out after all was said and done, it was determined to
be a hoax.

    Many news outlets also rely on paging services that send pages of
confirmed fires, accidents, police activity, robberies, etc. Regardless of
the source of info (scanner, pager, news tip line, etc.) any TV/radio/print
news operation would be wise (and  I would tend to think it must be
station/company policy) to verify/confirm info before opening the mic or
stopping the presses.

Mark Watson


From mlaurence@mindspring.com  Sat Jul 31 17:10:33 2004
From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sat Jul 31 17:10:36 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <23698349.1091308233739.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but channel 7 also carried a "me too" report after the channel 5 bulletin.  After the "BREAKING NEWS" message appeared on this mailing list, I checked my TiVo for reports.  I had been watching 7 earlier and the TiVo continued to record the signal, so I was able to back it up and watch what happened.  The channel 7 report talked vaguely about unconfirmed reports of police activity near the Fleet Center and said they were looking into it.  Obviously they were so unsure of the story they didn't want to say much of anything, and in retrospect they shouldn't have put it on the air, of course.  Too bad for them they felt such a need to keep up with channel 5.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net>
Sent: Jul 31, 2004 4:45 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org, Dave Faneuf <tklaundry@juno.com>
Subject: Re: does channel 5 know FCC rules

    Channel 5 did just that last Sunday night with the reported parachuters
landing near the Fleet Center. Apparently they heard the call go out on the
police scanner and ran with it, breaking into programming after Midnight
with a report. Turns out after all was said and done, it was determined to
be a hoax.




From Kaimbridge@programmer.net  Sat Jul 31 19:39:12 2004
From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Sat Jul 31 19:39:19 2004
Subject: _Re: does channel 5 know FCC rules
Message-ID: <410C2DA0.D9C31B1C@Programmer.Net>

Mark Watson wrote,

>   Many news outlets also rely on paging services that send
> pages of confirmed fires, accidents, police activity, robberies,
> etc. Regardless of the source of info (scanner, pager, news tip
> line, etc.)

That brings up a point:  What about paging services that do just
that (usually reporting a working fire)?  If one of them reported
that "police are responding to a report of people possibly landing
on the roof of the Tip O'Neil building", aren't they culpable--and
what about a station that uses THAT as a "confirming" source?

     ~Kaimbridge~

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From raccoonradio@myway.com  Sat Jul 31 21:41:47 2004
From: raccoonradio@myway.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat Jul 31 21:42:00 2004
Subject: DNC producer apologizes for balloon profanity
Message-ID: <20040801014147.0F5A212CE5@mprdmxin.myway.com>


http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc87.htm

Dem. National Convention producer Don Mischer has apologized for his swearing during the convention balloon drop, which was picked up by CNN. He didn't know his mike was open.

The perils of an open microphone...one example I can think of was a World Series game involving the Atlanta Braves. They had a mike open
on the Braves bench for "natural sound" when needed. When a Braves
pitcher started to have troubles, Braves pitching coach Leo
Mazzone could be heard exclaiming a four letter word about
intercourse, in frustration. I think when Fox does this kind of
thing they will tape stuff and then "screen it" before airing:
"We had our Fox microphone in the Red Sox dugout, and Red Sox
pitcher Bronson Arroyo had _this_ to say, just before the Johnny
Damon home run..."



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From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 31 23:04:54 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 31 23:04:15 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
In-Reply-To: <200407311040.AA272498926@mail.ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <410C2596.11320.39DF08@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2004 at 10:40, rogerkirk wrote:

> Is this the law that the Cell Phone Industry asked for to give cell phone
> users a false sense of security about their conversations?

No, it's a very old law, which the cellphone industry didn't think sufficient.  The law the 
cellphone industry wanted prohibits listening as well and prohibits scanners from being sold 
to the general public which are capable of receiving cellular frequencies.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 31 23:04:54 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 31 23:04:26 2004
Subject: What they heard on CNN
In-Reply-To: <200407311758.i6VHwIKB054051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <410AF62C.26820.1DF2285@localhost>
Message-ID: <410C2596.13353.39DF6C@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2004 at 13:58, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> That may be a good thing for a political party, but it's not clear
> what relevance it has to a broadcaster making a choice about what to
> cover.

Quite so.  The way conventions work now, the main newsworthy event is probably the 
nomination acceptance speeches, and maybe the introductions and biographical film.  That 
serves a function of introducing the nominees to the people who are being asked to vote for 
them.   The rest of the convention probably should be left to C-SPAN.

-- 
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 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From lawyer@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 31 23:04:54 2004
From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat Jul 31 23:04:36 2004
Subject: does channel 5 know FCC rules
In-Reply-To: <s10bc0ac.024@entbalhs1>
Message-ID: <410C2596.3671.39DFD5@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2004 at 15:54, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> No.  This section of the Act has been around for at least several decades
> longer than the added-on cell-phone provision (which had to do with the
> elderly couple who eavesdropped on Newt Gingrich and his indiscretions,
> via a scanner which could tune to cellular-phone frequencies).

Actually, I believe the ECPA pre-dated the Newt Gingrich incident.  The evesdropping on 
Gingrich was a violation of both the new ECPA and the old law, which didn't stop anyone 
from listening but prohibited telling anyone what you heard.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@attorneyross.com
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         http://www.attorneyross.com